From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 5:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] boot [ bilbao , spain 1976 ] Hi ALFT! I hope my pacakge arrived safely. Please let me know if you have mailed the Tangerine Dream CD-Rs. Where you going to include the remastered CD-Rs and the originals too? Thank you, Vic Rek 13010 Crabapple Lake Drive Roswell Georgia 30076-4261 USA From: 'Bennett' Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 5:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] A Dream Come True MP3 Rather than a MP3 tree, Could we post MP3 files for download somewhere? Or even disk images of audio disks if we had the room. Can we temporarly buy space on tadream site? This saves postage, CD-ROM issues, etc. Maybe one big zip file and use a program that allows you to download very large data in multiple sessions if necessary, something like the real download or the MicroSoft equalivant. I would rather download overnight than deal with snail mail and money issues... --Bennett From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 6:14 am Subject: Haslinger - Crazy/Beautiful I just picked up a soundtrack titled 'Crazy/Beautiful' on the German Edel label 0130962HWR. The curiosity here is that track 16 'I Want to Believe You' is written and produced by Lori Carson and Paul Haslinger. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31627 Re: Haslinger - Crazy/Beautiful Owens, James Tue 1/22/2002 3 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 6:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] boot [ bilbao , spain 1976 ] Sorry guys and gals for my embassing reply that was intended off list. Now the whole world knows :-) From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 6:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] FW: [goblinsclub] TD related CD rarity or not? I guess this CD can be considered scarce. I know of a few collectors that have this but it rarely pops up for sale. There is also another Greek sampler with 'Virtually Fields' titled AUTO CD-2, which is a similar title to 'Audio CD-22' CD which is reference below. > i am kostas from greece and this has got its way to my hands and i am > wondering if it is a TD-rarity or not > > i have made some scans of it so as to check em the adress the jpg are is the > folllowing > > it is a cd provided by a greek magazine named AUDIO in July 1996 > > http://users.eone.gr/kostas-ektt/cover.jpg > http://users.eone.gr/kostas-ektt/backcover.jpg > http://users.eone.gr/kostas-ektt/front.jpg > http://users.eone.gr/kostas-ektt/back.jpg > > it contains one Td track [the last one in the CD as a bonus track] and it is > virtyally fields from DM I From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 10:46 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1198 I know it's stating the obvious but PLEASE everyone... let's treat this project with respect, be thankful for such a marvelous opportunity, and don't be that one individual who will spoil it for the rest of us BIGTIME. Okay, that's it, back to sleep now... Roger Hartopp Thank You- Everyone please reread this and give thanks Heiko has even tried to pull off this project and not just thrown in the towel out of frustration at such bickering. Just my 2 cents worth DPH Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31604 [tree] Thanks Heiko! syensen Mon 1/21/2002 3 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 10:56 am Subject: Für deutsche Freunde (or anyone): Tatort? Does 'Tatort' mean 'Crime Scene' or just 'scene'? The 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode of 'Tatort' was first broadcast on WDTV in August, 1982. Do you know what day? In 1982, Virgin released a 12 inch vinyl single in Germany (600 651-213) containing 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe', 'Flock', 'Katja', and 'Speed'. Was the name of this 'Die Melodie aus dem Gleichnamigen', or was the word 'Tatort' also in the name? Does 'Die Melodie aus dem Gleichnamigen' mean 'The melody from the same name'? Here is what I have for 'Tatort': From 'Kassensturz' episode [?? ??? 1976] - -unknown tune?- From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????] - 'Flock' From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????] - 'Katja' From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????] - 'Speed' From 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode [?? Aug 1982] - 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' From 'Miriam' episode [?? ??? 1983] - 'Daydream' - 'Moorland' From 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' episode [?? ??? 1991] - 'I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You' - 'One Night In Medina' Can you help eliminate some of the question marks (?) above? Are there any other episodes of 'Tatort' that had TD music? All help is appreciated. Ciao -- Mark From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 12:53 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Für deutsche Freunde (or anyone): Tatort? A few of your questions might be answered at the following address: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/singles/webpages/madchen.html By the way, you're forgetting the episode called 'Heisser Schnee' which was probably broadcast in 1983 or 1984. As for the 4 tracks on the 12 inch maxi single, I think it's likely that all the tracks were used for the same episode. Paul ---------- >De : Mark Filipak >À : Tadream >Objet : [tadream] Für deutsche Freunde (or anyone): Tatort? >Date : Dim 20 jan 2002 11:56 > > Does 'Tatort' mean 'Crime Scene' or just 'scene'? > > The 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode of 'Tatort' was first broadcast on > WDTV in August, 1982. Do you know what day? > > In 1982, Virgin released a 12 inch vinyl single in Germany (600 651-213) > containing 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe', 'Flock', 'Katja', and 'Speed'. Was > the name of this 'Die Melodie aus dem Gleichnamigen', or was the word > 'Tatort' also in the name? > > Does 'Die Melodie aus dem Gleichnamigen' mean 'The melody from the same name'? > > Here is what I have for 'Tatort': > > From 'Kassensturz' episode [?? ??? 1976] > - -unknown tune?- > From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????] > - 'Flock' > From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????] > - 'Katja' > From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????] > - 'Speed' > From 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode [?? Aug 1982] > - 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' > From 'Miriam' episode [?? ??? 1983] > - 'Daydream' > - 'Moorland' > From 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' episode [?? ??? 1991] > - 'I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You' > - 'One Night In Medina' > > Can you help eliminate some of the question marks (?) above? > > Are there any other episodes of 'Tatort' that had TD music? > > All help is appreciated. > > Ciao -- Mark From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 1:58 pm Subject: Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9? I have a question about the bootleg 'Spherical Harmonics'. The back cover says 'Live in New Haven 9/9/88' but searching the web I've found a few sites of tadream members where this boot is listed as Boston 6/9/88. Does anyone know for sure if 'Spherical Harmonics' is from Boston (Somerville) or New Haven? Anyone from this list was preset at any of those shows? Antonio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31595 Re: Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Have Antonio Nunes Sun 1/20/2002 2 KB 31596 Re: Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Have Michael A Jean Sun 1/20/2002 3 KB 31597 Re: Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Have Michael A Jean Sun 1/20/2002 4 KB 31598 Re: Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Have Antonio Nunes Sun 1/20/2002 2 KB 31599 Re: Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Have Mark Filipak Sun 1/20/2002 3 KB 31606 Re: Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Have Klaus Beschorner Mon 1/21/2002 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 2:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9? I wrote: > > Anyone from this list was preset at any of those shows? Oops, I mean present, not preset :-) Antonio From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 2:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9? I attended the Chicago show in 1988 (which was the first date of the tour) so I would aay that the Sept date is the correct one. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:np97fa@m...] > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 8:59 AM > To: tadream > Subject: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9? > > > I have a question about the bootleg 'Spherical Harmonics'. The back > cover says 'Live in New Haven 9/9/88' but searching the web I've found a > few sites of tadream members where this boot is listed as Boston 6/9/88. > Does anyone know for sure if 'Spherical Harmonics' is from Boston > (Somerville) or New Haven? Anyone from this list was preset at any of > those shows? > > Antonio > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31597 Re: Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Have Michael A Jean Sun 1/20/2002 4 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 2:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9? Sorry...I left out the part about the first 1988 show being in late August.... The 86 tour did occur during the month of June. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:20 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven > Sep.9? > > > I attended the Chicago show in 1988 (which was the first date of the tour) > so I would aay that the Sept date is the correct one. > > MJ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:np97fa@m...] > > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 8:59 AM > > To: tadream > > Subject: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9? > > > > > > I have a question about the bootleg 'Spherical Harmonics'. The back > > cover says 'Live in New Haven 9/9/88' but searching the web I've found a > > few sites of tadream members where this boot is listed as Boston 6/9/88. > > Does anyone know for sure if 'Spherical Harmonics' is from Boston > > (Somerville) or New Haven? Anyone from this list was preset at any of > > those shows? > > > > Antonio > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 2:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9? Michael A Jean wrote: > > I attended the Chicago show in 1988 (which was the first date of the tour) > so I would aay that the Sept date is the correct one. Sept 6 or Sept 9? All sites I've visited and also Scott's book agree in that there was a show in Boston, Somerville on Sept 6, and a show in New Haven on Sept 9. My question is, which of these shows is 'Spherical Harmonics' from? Antonio From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 3:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9? I believe that 'Spherical Harmonics 1 & 2' are the show at the Palace Theater, New Haven on 9 Sep 88. The 6 Sep 88 Somerville/Boston show is on the boot 'At the Mountains of Madness'. Cioa -- Mark Antonio Nunes wrote: > > Michael A Jean wrote: > > > > I attended the Chicago show in 1988 (which was the first date of the tour) > > so I would aay that the Sept date is the correct one. > > Sept 6 or Sept 9? All sites I've visited and also Scott's book agree in > that there was a show in Boston, Somerville on Sept 6, and a show in New > Haven on Sept 9. My question is, which of these shows is 'Spherical > Harmonics' from? > > Antonio > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- It's 2002. Do you know where your Osama is? From: 'Thomas Bertilsson' Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 5:08 pm Subject: Rubycon SACD Hi everyone, I don't know where this thread lead, since I havn't had the time to read the digests in a couple of weeks. But, I did purchase the SACD and wanted to share what I heard when I listened to it. First of all, it will blow the socks off of any other CD release of Rubycon out there. It is so superior that it's stupid. I quote what's written on the extra booklet included: 'The CD was a good idea'. But this is so much better. They solved every problem CD ever had with resolution and extended frequency response (theoretically) to 100 kHz from 20 kHz. This means that practically you can make full use of the frequency response of old analog master tapes, just like the vinyl record. In my opinion vinyl still sounds more punchy, relaxed and more natural in detail than what SACD and especially CD does. But with this new format digital is moving closer. Not quite there yet though, but as an audiophile, I could easily live happily with the sound of SACD for the rest of my life. To get the full range of the SACD you need a dedicated player, but the beauty is that they are backwards compatible with all CD players too, and the first layer (out of two) contains that information, while all the audio information for SACD is hidden in the layer beyond. Good news is that there are some SACD players out there now for around $300. I havn't heard those players, the one I heard was more expensive, about $1200. These will of course play normal CD's too. Upcoming are also machines that will be multiplayers accepting CD, CD-R, CD-RW, DVD, DVD-Audio and, of course, SACD. Both multichannel and two channel. A dream come true in this war of different standards. If you want to go the cheaper way, just buy a good turntable though. In my opinion, it still sounds better than any of the above. And the records are cheap. Thomas St.Paul, MN _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: tadreaming@c... Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 2:31 am Subject: Ashra Belle Alliance. Hello, in case someone maybe interested, I'm listing Belle Alliance at half.com for 29.99 on CD, it's a very rare Ashra album these days. Sorry to spam if you consider this to be. Martyn C. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: KMJ Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 6:51 am Subject: 1976 Show/Venue Question I have a double disc set simply entitled 'Virtual Files 76-08'. Could someone please tell me where this was recorded and better yet, is there artwork available? Please contact me off-list if you can help. Thanks, Kevin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31616 Re: 1976 Show/Venue Question C. Chambers Mon 1/21/2002 3 KB 31617 Re: 1976 Show/Venue Question C. Chambers Mon 1/21/2002 2 KB 31619 Re: 1976 Show/Venue Question Chris Owen Mon 1/21/2002 3 KB 31620 Re: 1976 Show/Venue Question KMJ Mon 1/21/2002 2 KB From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 7:34 am Subject: Re: boot [ bilbao , spain 1976 ] Vic sez: >Sorry guys and gals for my embassing reply that was intended >off list. Now the whole world knows :-) Okay, let's send the guy a postcard! When's ya birthday, Vic? Cheers, Steve - -- The wages of sin are death - but the wages here are worse. From: 'syensen' Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 7:45 am Subject: [tree] Thanks Heiko! My feelings entirely! I'm sure everybody wants to thank Heiko for his hard work but hasn't said so yet! THANK YOU HEIKO! I can't wait to hear the music! Also I'd like to thank everyone else who is contributing to the distribution, cover designs and generally giving their time and enthusiasm for this very worthwhile project ... Cheers, Steve --- In tadream@y..., 'Daniel Hobrecht' wrote: > > I know it's stating the obvious but PLEASE everyone... let's treat this > project with respect, be thankful for such a marvelous opportunity, and > don't be that one individual who will spoil it for the rest of us > BIGTIME. > > Okay, that's it, back to sleep now... > Roger Hartopp > > Thank You- Everyone please reread this and give thanks Heiko has even > tried to pull off this project and not just thrown in the towel out of > frustration at such bickering. > > Just my 2 cents worth > DPH From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 8:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] [tree] Thanks Heiko & concert list > I'm sure everybody wants to thank Heiko for his hard work but hasn't > said so yet! > > THANK YOU HEIKO! I can't wait to hear the music! aaahh...what a nice email on a dull Monday morning :-) To be honest, I never thought that my idea would raise so much excitement/confusion/discussion (please choose what you think fits best for you ;-) Now I can only hope that I will meet the expectations of those who are in the 'tree'. I now have a list of concerts for the first batch which is pretty much set in stone, but it's not already confirmed. What's sure is that the first batch will consist of 10 cdr's. Volume 1: Nottingham Albert Hall 08 November 1976 (remastered 1st generation, incl. adjusted tape speed version (sp?) of the encore, taken from the 'Collected endings' cd) Volume 2: Sheffield City Hall 29 October 1974 (remastered low generation) Volume 3: Bernau St.-Marien-Kirche 07 October 2001 (MD master recording) Volume 4: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 31 Aug 2001, main set on 2 CDRs (DAT master) Volume 5: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 31 Aug 2001, encores + excerpts of press conference + 'brigde medley' Volume 6: Bilbao Pabellón de la Casilla 31 January 1976, on 2 CDRs (remastered 1st gen.) Volume 7: Croydon Fairfield Hall 23 October 1975 (remastered 1st gen.) Volume 8: Berlin Philharmonie 27 June 1976 (remastered FM broadcast, low gen.) for the branches & leaves this means that everyone who wants to copy in redbook format (recordable CD) will need the following: -two 80 minute CDRs (Bernau 2001 & Nottingham 76 will have a length of ca. 78 minutes) -eight 74 minute CDRs -two double jewel cases -eight single jewel cases > Also I'd like to thank everyone else who is contributing to the > distribution, cover designs and generally giving their time and > enthusiasm for this very worthwhile project ... how true! without their help the tree would not have been possible. Regards Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31626 Re: [tree] Thanks Heiko & concert list syensen Tue 1/22/2002 2 KB 31630 Re: [tree] Thanks Heiko & concert list Roger Hartopp Tue 1/22/2002 5 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 8:46 am Subject: Re: Spherical Harmonics: Boston Sep.6 or New Haven Sep.9? >I believe that 'Spherical Harmonics 1 & 2' are the show at the Palace >Theater, New Haven on 9 Sep 88. The 6 Sep 88 Somerville/Boston show is >on the boot 'At the Mountains of Madness' Sph.Harmonics is from a soundboard tape of Boston 6.9.88, but from a high generation copy and missing the last encore. AtMoM is the same, but used a complete, low gen. tape. best regards, klaus From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 9:04 am Subject: Für deutsche Freunde (or anyone): Tatort? >Does 'Tatort' mean 'Crime Scene' or just 'scene'? Crime Scene >The 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode of 'Tatort' was first >broadcast on WDTV in August, 1982. Do you know what day? Nyet. Produced by WDR, a regional 'division' of ARD. First aired on ARD 27.6.82 >Does 'Die Melodie aus dem Gleichnamigen' mean 'The melody from the same >name'? Das Maedchen auf der Treppe - The melody (soundtrack) from the Tatort episode with the same name. logical, isn't it ;-) > From 'Kassensturz' episode [?? ??? 1976] > - -unknown tune?- 15.2.76 , Rubicon or Ricochet, I forgot. > From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????] > - 'Flock' > From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????] > - 'Katja' > From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????] > - 'Speed' > From 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode [?? Aug 1982] > - 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' all from 'Das Mädchen'. > From 'Miriam' episode [?? ??? 1983] > - 'Daydream' > - 'Moorland' 2.4.83 > From 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' episode [?? ??? 1991] > - 'I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You' > - 'One Night In Medina' 9.6.91 >Can you help eliminate some of the question marks (?) above? Whatever significance the day of first broadcast may have, here you've got it... >Are there any other episodes of 'Tatort' that had TD music? Heisser Schnee, 9.9.84, Hyperborea best regards, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31615 Re: Für deutsche Freunde (or anyone): Tatort? richter_arne Mon 1/21/2002 3 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 9:11 am Subject: 'Tyger' Hello. To those who have request a look at my chronology, I'm not ignoring you forever. Honest. Would you all look at these two entries. Do you have a contribution on a version of 'Tyger' I missed? Especially, do you know about the French release on the Wotre label? -- search for the question marks (?). How about other releases I missed altogether? Thank you for your help. -- Mark ________________________________________________________________________ Tyger [Feb 87] - EF+CF+PH 1 Tyger 5 Alchemy of the Heart, Pt.2 (vocal intro) [0:31] [2:52] (main vocal) [3:35] 6 Alchemy of the Heart, Pt.3 (chorus to fade) [1:26] [6:16] (three chords) [0:16] 7 Smile [6:12] (vocal) 2 London-The Dungeon [8:09] (voc.) 8 21st Century Common Man Pt.1 (bridge) [1:33] [4:49] 3 London-Rotton Row Patriot [4:43] 9 21st Century Common Man Pt.2 4 Alchemy of the Heart, Pt.1 [4:02] [3:16] 10 Tyger [4:26] %1 (main vocal _______ plus chorus with early fade) __/ Notes \___________________________________________________________ Key: % excerpt. Actual times: 1-9 from Caroline, CD 1341; 10 from Jive, T 143. All vocals by Jocelyn Bernadette Smith. Also see: Tyger, 1992 reworks & additions [??? 92] _________ __/ Artwork \_________________________________________________________ Cover: Bright blue, bearing TD's circular logo. __________________ __/ Recordings - AAA \________________________________________________ 7' - Segs 9/10 as '21st Century Common Man'/'Tyger' [1987] Jive (GB) 143 [1987] Jive/Zomba (DE) 6.14856 AC [1987] Jive/Weesp (NL) 145.326 12' - Segs 1/9,10 as 'Tyger' [1987] Jive (GB) T 143 [1987] Jive/Zomba (DE) 6.20791 AE LP-2 - Segs 1,2+3/4+5+6,7 (4 tracks) as 'Tyger' [1987] Jive (CA,GB) HIP 47 [1987] Jive/CBS (IL) HIP 47-1 [1987] Caroline/Mortal (US) 1341 [1987] Jive/Messaggeri Musicali [1987] Jive/Teldec (DE) (IT) ZL 71511 C-6.26 475 [1987] Jive (GR) 40021 [1987] Jive/Teldec (DE) 6.26 478 [1988] Jive/Alfa (JP) ALI-28084 [1987] Jive (NL) 656.093 MC - Segs 1,2+3/4+5+6,7 (4 tracks) as 'Tyger' [1987] Jive (CA,GB) HIPC 47 [1987] Jive (NL) 856.093 [1987] Caroline/Mortal (US) [1987] Jive/Messaggeri Musicali MC 1341 (IT) ZK 71511 [1987] Jive/Teldec (DE) 4.26 475 [1997] Metal Mind (PL) CAST 0026 __________________ __/ Recordings - AAD \________________________________________________ CD - Segs 1,2+3,4+5+6,7,8+9 (5 tracks) as 'Tyger' [1987] Jive (GB) CHIP 47 [1987] Jive (NL) 100.097 [1987] Jive/Teldec [1988] Jive/Alfa (DE) 8.26475 ZP (JP) ALFA 32XB-224 CD - Segs 1,2+3,4+5+6,7-9 (6 tracks, track 6 not labeled) as 'Tyger' [1987] Caroline (US/AT) CD 1341 (Notice: CDs spindle marked 'MADE BY KOCH 031.113.000.006.9 CDM02' are mislabeled discs and are not TD!) __________________ __/ Recordings - ??D \________________________________________________ CD - Segs ? as 'Tyger' (unknown cover) [19??] Wotre (FR?) -catalog#?- (does this exist?) ________________________________________________________________________ Tyger, 1992 reworks & additions [??? 92] - EF+JF 1 Tyger @&+ (sped up, echo added 4 Alchemy of the Heart, Pt.1 to vocal, prominent back-beat [2:55] @% (cut intro, sped up) percussion and wood block 5 Alchemy of the Heart, Pt.2 overdubs throughout) [2:52] (instrumental intro) [0:29] ! 6 Alchemy of the Heart, Pt.3 (main vocal) [3:19] @&+ [6:16] (chorus to fade) [1:25] @&+ 7 Smile (1992) [5:54] @ (sped up) 2 London-The Dungeon [8:09] (voc.) 8 21st Century Common Man Pt.1 (bridge) [1:33] [4:49] 3 London-Rotton Row Patriot [4:43] 9 21st Century Common Man Pt.2 + (brighter hi-hat in parts) [4:02] @ (slightly slower) _______ 10 Vigour [4:56] * __/ Notes \___________________________________________________________ Key: @ edit, % excerpt, & remix, + overdub, ! reperformance, * previously unreleased. Also see original versions: Tyger [Feb 87]. Actual times: 1-10 fr Relativity, 88561-1055-2. More prominent percussion distinguishes all 1992 reworks. Percussion overdubs in 1 are very pronounced. Most fans who stated a preference prefer the original version. Though they are fine, when compared to the originals the sped up vocals sound more like Whitney Houston. _________ __/ Artwork \_________________________________________________________ Cover: Rendering of half of a tiger's face in yellow+brown+white. __________________ __/ Recordings - ADD \________________________________________________ CD - Tracks 1,2+3,4+5+6,7-10 (7 tracks) as 'Tyger' [1992] Rel. (US) 88561-1055-2 [1996] Sequel (US) 1048-2 [1996] Ess. (GB) ESM 367 ________________________________________________________________________ From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 9:31 am Subject: Newbei Hello to all Tangerine Dreamers I'm a new member of the PALLAS Mailinglist. At first, don't worry about my english, beacuse it's a long time ago that I have the chance to communicate in english. About the statement The 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode of 'Tatort' was first >broadcast on WDTV in August, 1982. Do you know what day? I'm not sure if the single released for the German Tatort the same as 'Whtie Eagle' from the album the same name ? Mit freundlichem Grüßen Edgar Rainer Berberich ------------------------------------------------------------------- Investmentbanking CS / PC-Server-Systeme Telefon: 069/7447-4207 Telefax: 069/7447-5544 GENO-Rechenzentrum Frankfurt/Main GmbH Hahnstraße 46 60528 Frankfurt am Main Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31610 Re: Newbei Mark Filipak Mon 1/21/2002 2 KB 31611 Re: Newbei Heiko Heerssen Mon 1/21/2002 2 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 9:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Newbei Welcome! The weather is fine here. And your English is just fine too. Yes, 'Das Mädchen' and 'White Eagle' are kissing cousins. Ebenso mit freundlichen Grüßen -- Mark (How did I do?) edgar-rainer.berberich@g... wrote: > > Hello to all Tangerine Dreamers > > I'm a new member of the PALLAS Mailinglist. > At first, don't worry about my english, beacuse it's a long time ago that I > have the chance to communicate in english. > > About the statement > > The 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode of 'Tatort' was first > >broadcast on WDTV in August, 1982. Do you know what day? > > I'm not sure if the single released for the German Tatort the same as > 'Whtie Eagle' from the album the same name ? > > Mit freundlichem Grüßen > > Edgar Rainer Berberich From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 10:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Newbei > Welcome! The weather is fine here. And your English is just fine too. Yes, 'Das Mädchen' and 'White Eagle' are kissing cousins. the track which was used for the 'Tatort' episode (& the 7'' and 12'' version) was a bit different to the original 'White eagle' album track as it had a steady drum beat. This version hit the German Top Ten single charts in 1982. > Ebenso mit freundlichen Grüßen -- Mark > > (How did I do?) whooaah! From: TheInfection Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 10:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron & good voices Favourite Mellotron-moments from TD (in chronological order): Atem Rubycon Part 1 Cherokee Lane Monolight Coldwater Canyon Good voices that works everytime for me: Rubycon Part 1: That kong-sound in various moments after 6:00. Monolight: In the beginning of the third theme you can hear those dribble-sounds. Can't remeber now the exact time right now. Coldwater Canyon: The sequence is simple but very cool. NP: Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 10:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron At 08:39 18.01.02 , you wrote: >most likely not. I was more looking for wave. I will take a look and see >what I can pipe into. I have not bought a sampler yet. I been using the >computer to get by. Was going to buy the Korg simple one. Maybe I better >review some more before spending. >Thanks > >Administrator for Kay-Net.com >admin@k... >661-723-0266 >Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > Hi, do you use Cubase VST? If yes, try the M-Tron native instrument plugin. It´s got the 'closest to the real thing'- sound I´ve ever heard and is much better than any sample library of the ´Tron that´s on the market. ...plus it´s got all the original tapes and even behaves like the original (sound drops off with a click after 8 sec.) ;-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sun Jan 20, 2002 8:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Für deutsche Freunde (or anyone): Tatort? Hi Mark, ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' To: 'Tadream' Sent: 20 January 2002 10:56 Subject: [tadream] Für deutsche Freunde (or anyone): Tatort? > Does 'Tatort' mean 'Crime Scene' or just 'scene'? It means 'crime scene'. > In 1982, Virgin released a 12 inch vinyl single in Germany (600 651-213) containing 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe', 'Flock', 'Katja', and 'Speed'. Was the name of this 'Die Melodie aus dem Gleichnamigen', or was the word 'Tatort' also in the name? Does 'Die Melodie aus dem Gleichnamigen' mean 'The melody from the same name'? 'Die Melodie aus dem gleichnamigen' means 'The melody from the thus-named', and this phrase had the word 'Tatort' added next to it (or underneath?) in some funny designer font. What the whole phrase therefore means is 'The melody from the Tatort [episode] of the same name [Das Maedchen auf der Treppe]'. From: 'richter_arne' Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 1:59 pm Subject: Re: Für deutsche Freunde (or anyone): Tatort? --- In tadream@y..., Klaus Beschorner wrote: > >Does 'Tatort' mean 'Crime Scene' or just 'scene'? > Crime Scene > > > From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????] > > - 'Flock' > > From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????] > > - 'Katja' > > From -unknown episode?- [?? ??? ????] > > - 'Speed' > > From 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' episode [?? Aug 1982] > > - 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' > > all from 'Das Mädchen' Just to add, the 4 tunes were indeed used in the TV-movie, but they were slightly different from the ones available on the 12', i.e. they were a bit remixed. Also, the TV-movie featured additional TD music that had already been released, specifically there were 2 tracks from EXIT to be heard, so in total the movie featured 6 TD tracks and a few short TD-made music 'effects' snippets of a few seconds length. > > > From 'Miriam' episode [?? ??? 1983] > > - 'Daydream' > > - 'Moorland' > > 2.4.83 This must be wrong, as 2.4.83 was a Saturday, however all Tatort movies run either Sunday night or in case of a public holiday, on Monday night. I also recall having seen the original broadcast and due to surrounding circumstances I am absolutely sure it was not on a Saturday. Regarding the music, again both tracks appeared in a remixed form in the movie. Especially Moorland was much longer, it sounds like the 7' version starts many minutes into the song, whereas the TV version had a long slow intro part, only a few seconds of which can be heard on the single. Basically, the 'missing' part from the Moorland (7') exists on the Soundtrack of 'Wavelength'. The version played on the Tatort show was very similar to the version used in the movie 'The Keep'. From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 2:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 1976 Show/Venue Question Kevin did you get a response to this? Is this one I sent you? If so, did I not send artwork also? The venue info is: 10/20/76-Stadthalle, Hannover, Germany If you haven't gotten art yet, let me know and I will send it. Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: KMJ [mailto:jowers@t...] > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 1:51 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] 1976 Show/Venue Question > > > I have a double disc set simply entitled 'Virtual Files 76-08'. Could > someone please tell me where this was recorded and better yet, is there > artwork available? > > Please contact me off-list if you can help. > > Thanks, > Kevin > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31617 Re: 1976 Show/Venue Question C. Chambers Mon 1/21/2002 2 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 3:05 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 1976 Show/Venue Question The obvious OOPS! Sorry folks... > > Kevin did you get a response to this? Is this one I sent you? > If so, did I > not send artwork also? > > The venue info is: > 10/20/76-Stadthalle, Hannover, Germany > > > If you haven't gotten art yet, let me know and I will send it. > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 4:17 pm Subject: The Missing Part of 'Moorland' is on the WAVELENGTH OST On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:59:02 -0000 'richter_arne' writes: >[. . .] Basically, the 'missing' part from the Moorland (7') >exists on the Soundtrack of 'Wavelength'. Which track? >[. . .] The version played on the Tatort show was very >similar to the version used in the movie 'The Keep'. Hmmm. -- Steven Feldman , webmaster for the Chang Cheh website at http://changcheh.0catch.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32332 Re: The Missing Part of 'Moorland' is on the WAVE richter_arne Sat 2/23/2002 3 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 3:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 1976 Show/Venue Question Hi Kevin, From the list I have, Virtual Files 76-08 would be the concert at the Hannover Stadthalle, 20th October 1976, though I hope someone will correct me if this is wrong. It was the opening date of the 1976 Stratosfear European tour. No idea about any artwork though, sorry. - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: KMJ To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 10:51 PM Subject: [tadream] 1976 Show/Venue Question > I have a double disc set simply entitled 'Virtual Files 76-08'. Could > someone please tell me where this was recorded and better yet, is there > artwork available? > > Please contact me off-list if you can help. > > Thanks, > Kevin > > From: KMJ Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 7:55 pm Subject: Re: 1976 Show/Venue Question >From the list I have, Virtual Files 76-08 would be the concert at the >Hannover Stadthalle, 20th October 1976, though I hope someone will correct >me if this is wrong. It was the opening date of the 1976 Stratosfear >European tour. No idea about any artwork though, sorry. This is the correct date and venue. I had forgotten that Craig sent me the artwork months ago when we traded. Having said that, I DO have artwork if anybody is looking for it. Please contact me off-list. Thanks also to Chris for the info. Kevin From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 8:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron Thanks Martin. I will look into it to see if I can do this with what I have. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron At 08:39 18.01.02 , you wrote: >most likely not. I was more looking for wave. I will take a look and see >what I can pipe into. I have not bought a sampler yet. I been using the >computer to get by. Was going to buy the Korg simple one. Maybe I better >review some more before spending. >Thanks > >Administrator for Kay-Net.com >admin@k... >661-723-0266 >Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > Hi, do you use Cubase VST? If yes, try the M-Tron native instrument plugin. It´s got the 'closest to the real thing'- sound I´ve ever heard and is much better than any sample library of the ´Tron that´s on the market. ...plus it´s got all the original tapes and even behaves like the original (sound drops off with a click after 8 sec.) ;-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Tom Richmond Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 9:02 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the Watchgirl - Tree Announcement Hello everyone: This is the first call for participation in the Dreamwatchers' Tales II tree: Is you'd like to participate, please e-mail me the following information: Name City, State, Country Preferred status (Branch or Leaf) Branch - able and willing to make copies for others (please include how many you can do) Leaf - unable to do copying for others Please note that there may be more people requesting branch status than we need (this happened last time around). These people will then be set up as leaves and will be utilized as branches for latecomers to the tree. Once the tree structure is published it is the responsibility of everyone involved to contact each other and arrange a trade agreeable to both parties. This is again a 2CDR set. Both discs are less than 74 minutes, so 80-minute blanks won't be required. If it hasn't been posted yet (I'm in digest mode, so I don't know), Yannick Edom will be posting the details (artists, tracks, etc.). He is to be congratulated for assembling another impressive set. I personally like this set much more than DWT1, and that was a good set as well! I'll post a couple reminders before closing out sign-ups. I'd like to have a tree structure together by February 18th, so I'll take sign-ups until February 15th. If there's anything I forgot to mention, just ask! Cheers! Tom Richmond Menomonee Falls, WI trichmond@b... ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31623 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of t bigstupidgeek Mon 1/21/2002 3 KB 31635 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of t Gustavo Jobim Wed 1/23/2002 4 KB 31644 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of t Joe Shoults Wed 1/23/2002 4 KB 31650 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of t Matthew Stringer Thu 1/24/2002 5 KB From: 'bigstupidgeek' Date: Mon Jan 21, 2002 9:53 pm Subject: Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the Watchgirl - Tree Announcement Most excellent news! And here is the rest of the info, including tracklistings and artwork: http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ To be clear, this is a separate tree from the current tree project, which, BTW, looks like it will be named 'Marmalade Skies', judging from the current poll results, which I should conclude tomorrow. If you want to cast your last-minute vote for a different (or same) name, go here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/polls Joe P.S. I HIGHLY recommend participating in the DT2 tree; DT1 is awesome! np: Dreamwatcher's Tales 1: FSP- Faraday (Marcel Engels) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Richmond [mailto:trichmond@b...] > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:02 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'; 'tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com'; > 'beyond_em@yahoogroups.com'; 'electronicmusic@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the > Watchgirl - Tree Announcement > > > Hello everyone: > > This is the first call for participation in the > Dreamwatchers' Tales II > tree: > > Is you'd like to participate, please e-mail me the following > information: > > Name > City, State, Country > Preferred status (Branch or Leaf) > Branch - able and willing to make copies for others > (please include > how many you can do) > Leaf - unable to do copying for others From: 'Eric Williamson' Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 5:07 am Subject: Christopher Franke spotted at NAMM ... and he's playing a _real_modular_synthesiser_, too! http://www.synthtech.com/namm/ ... is the directory. http://www.synthtech.com/namm/c_franke.jpg ... is the photo. to his right is (i believe) ambient muso Robert Rich, a strong proponent of the MOTM modular synthesiser. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:23 am Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II - Visions of the Watchgirl Hi everyone The new Dreamwatchers' Tales project is now complete. Tom Richmond is ready to manage the tree (see message posted earlier or contact TRichmond@b...) It's again a double CDR product. The artwork and design is currently for a CD case but in february a DVD case design will be available. All artworks (and ifnos) can be seen on Joe Shoults' www.tadream.net website and the high resolution JPG files are available for download through Fred Yargui's website (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y). Here are the track listing and credits. DREAMWATCHERS' TALES - FABLE II - Visions of the Watchgirl Disc 1 1- Dreamwatchers 'Fable' (Darklion) copyright Mirage Créations 2- Gille Hemery 'Contact' (G.Hemery) copyright G. Hemery 3- Pergamon Vs Bondee System 'Cloud of the Unknowing' (Pergamon - Bondee System) copyright Bondee System/Pergamon 4- Olivier Briand 'Gladiators' (O. Briand) copyright O. Briand 5- Darklion 'Battlefield' (Darklion) copyright Mirage Créations 6- Nightbirds 'Electric Post-Rock Ensemble' (Modular R.V. - Blue Desk) copyright Nightbirds Music 7- Paul Ellis & Nemesis 'Untitled' (P. Ellis - A. Hassinen - J. Kastman) copyright Ellis/Nemesis 8- James Owens 'Leonids' (J. Owens) copyright J. Owens Disc 2 1- Gustavo Jobim 'Drifting' (G. Jobim) copyright G. Jobim 2- Ionic 'Drafting the Comet V & VI' (J. Salyers - P. Zimmermann - C. Steulet) copyright Ionic 3- Olyam 'Parisian Greetings' (Olyam) copyright Olyam Music Prod. 4- Döktor Strange 'Red Ants Love Migration Freq' (Dr. Strange) copyright Sensorial Recordings 5- Dave Brewer 'Dreamcatcher' (D. Brewer) copyright D. Brewer 6- Darklion & Olyam 'The Spacestation' (Darklion - Olyam) copyright Mirage Création/Olyam Music Prod 7- Mark Jenkins 'The Stealing of the Five Thousands' (M. Jenkins) copyright AMP Records 8- Fred Yargui ' Virage Bleu' (F. Yargui) copyright F. Yargui 9- Darklion & Olyam 'Im Memoriam' (Darklion - Olyam) copyright Mirage Créations/Olyam Music Prod Exclusive DTS track. Dedicated to all victims of the World Trade Center, New York (USA) and the AZF Blast in Toulouse (FRANCE). Project Management : Darklion Management Assistant : Yannick Edom Audio Mastering, Processing, Visual Concept & Design by Darklion All Artworks by Yannick Ediom Inner Sleeve text by Darklion, Océane Brenan and Marine Brenan C 2002 Mirage Créations, P 2002 TML Music ------------------------- Just a quick note : 'Im memoriam' is a DTS track and can only be heard with a proper installation. A player (CD or LD or DVD) with a digital output connected to a home theater amplifer (Dolby AC and DTS) is needed. But a complete real audio version will be soon online in the Olyam website ( www.olyam.com ) Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'syensen' Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 10:23 am Subject: Re: [tree] Thanks Heiko & concert list WOW! This gets better every day! Thanks once again! I have a tape of this but a CD sounds like heaven ... Cheers, Steve in Nottingham, England (who was there at the concert and totally blown away) --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Volume 1: Nottingham Albert Hall 08 November 1976 (remastered 1st generation, > incl. adjusted tape speed version (sp?) of the encore, taken from the > 'Collected endings' cd) From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 4:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Haslinger - Crazy/Beautiful Not too odd, since the score for Crazy Beautiful is by Paul Haslinger! I'm guessing the 'soundtrack' is actually a collection of songs briefly displayed in the film. 'I Want to Believe You' was probably written FOR the film, which would likely have Haslinger involved in some way, since it's probably based on an instrumental cue from the film. Crazy/Beautiful was a 2001 film, so maybe we'll see a score released soon... James > -----Original Message----- > From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] > > I just picked up a soundtrack titled 'Crazy/Beautiful' on the > German Edel > label 0130962HWR. > The curiosity here is that track 16 'I Want to Believe You' > is written and > produced by Lori Carson and Paul Haslinger. From: 'Scott' Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 6:14 pm Subject: Tatort info For those seeking info on Tatort, check out www.tatort-archiv.de. It's all in German, though, and there is nothing on the music, at least that I could find. Scott From: 'Scott' Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 6:33 pm Subject: TD model car For the TD collector who has everything: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1691298543 Scott From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Tue Jan 22, 2002 8:27 pm Subject: Re: [tree] Thanks Heiko & concert list > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:18:50 +0100 > From: Heiko Heerssen > Subject: Re: [tree] Thanks Heiko & concert list > > > I'm sure everybody wants to thank Heiko for his hard work but hasn't > > said so yet! I second that - so let me join that list of people who want to say - Heiko, THANK YOU! > > THANK YOU HEIKO! I can't wait to hear the music! > > aaahh...what a nice email on a dull Monday morning :-) > To be honest, I never thought that my idea would raise so much > excitement/confusion/discussion (please choose what you think fits best for > you ;-) Now I can only hope that I will meet the expectations of those who > are in the 'tree'. I don't think you have any worries there... > > I now have a list of concerts for the first batch which is pretty much set in > stone, but it's not already confirmed. What's sure is that the first batch > will consist of 10 cdr's. > > Volume 1: Nottingham Albert Hall 08 November 1976 (remastered 1st generation, > incl. adjusted tape speed version (sp?) of the encore, taken from the > 'Collected endings' cd) > Volume 2: Sheffield City Hall 29 October 1974 (remastered low generation) > Volume 3: Bernau St.-Marien-Kirche 07 October 2001 (MD master recording) (psss, Heiko... I presume that's the version I have?) > Volume 4: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 31 Aug 2001, main set on 2 CDRs (DAT > master) > Volume 5: Warsaw Most Swietokrzyski 31 Aug 2001, encores + excerpts of press > conference + 'brigde medley' Actually, this Warsaw set could be packaged as a three disc set in a double jewel case. And for those designing the cover... how about adding my detailed review of the concert as additional sleeve notes so one could have a little booklet inside the case? I only need to change one or two things to the review, just primarily to add information (and maybe be a bit kinder to Jerome's physical appearence!). It'll probably end up as a booklet of about twelve pages. It's an idea, so if any of the sleeve designers are interested, let me know off-list. Actually, taking this even further... how about all those who were THERE at the various concerts. Perhaps they would like to write sleeve notes? > Volume 6: Bilbao Pabellón de la Casilla 31 January 1976, on 2 CDRs > (remastered 1st gen.) > Volume 7: Croydon Fairfield Hall 23 October 1975 (remastered 1st gen.) > Volume 8: Berlin Philharmonie 27 June 1976 (remastered FM broadcast, low > gen.) > > for the branches & leaves this means that everyone who wants to copy in > redbook format (recordable CD) will need the following: > -two 80 minute CDRs (Bernau 2001 & Nottingham 76 will have a length of ca. 78 > minutes) > -eight 74 minute CDRs > -two double jewel cases > -eight single jewel cases > > > Also I'd like to thank everyone else who is contributing to the > > distribution, cover designs and generally giving their time and > > enthusiasm for this very worthwhile project ... > > how true! without their help the tree would not have been possible. > > Regards > Heiko I look forward to the collection... and if all goes well, the rest to follow! Regards Roger Hartopp -- Placisz raz - uzywasz caly czas! http://www.onetmail.onet.pl/oferta From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 4:23 am Subject: KS 'Cyborg' Does anyone on the list have the original Klaus Schulze 'Cyborg' 2-CD set and a good quality scanner? I recently purchased the reissue of it that came in one of those horrible cardboard foldover packages -- and one of the disc retaining claws has already broken off the tray that houses disc two. My experience has been that, once that happens, it's only a matter of time before the whole thing disintegrates. Replacing the tray is probably going to wreck it. Besides I'm always worried that I'm going to scratch CDs when I attempt to remove them, because the trays seem to have a much lower profile than those in the jewel cases. What I'd like to do it transfer the discs over to a standard 2-CD jewel case, but I'd really like files of the scanned artwork so I can do a nice job -- front page, any notes inside and the rear panel/spine info included as well. I'll print them myself. Thanks in advance. From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 6:55 am Subject: NEW ASHRA CD`s arrived Hi all, today (22-Jan-2002) I received the both new Ashra Releases and a little surprise. do you want more, please jump to: www.tribute-to-ashra.de , thankx for your visit. Also on my page , a direct link for your order . And dont forget to sign in my GUESTBOOK: regards heiko www.tribute-to-ashra.de www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Admin' Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 7:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron Martin Been hunting down the M-Tron Plugin. Do you know the web site link or where I can find more information on it? I have had not much success in finding it. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Admin' To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron > Thanks Martin. > I will look into it to see if I can do this with what I have. > > dale > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' > To: > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:43 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron > > > At 08:39 18.01.02 , you wrote: > >most likely not. I was more looking for wave. I will take a look and see > >what I can pipe into. I have not bought a sampler yet. I been using the > >computer to get by. Was going to buy the Korg simple one. Maybe I better > >review some more before spending. > >Thanks > > > >Administrator for Kay-Net.com > >admin@k... > >661-723-0266 > >Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > > > Hi, > > do you use Cubase VST? If yes, try the M-Tron native instrument plugin. > It´s got the 'closest to the real thing'- sound I´ve ever heard and is much > better than any sample library of the ´Tron that´s on the market. ...plus > it´s got all the original tapes and even behaves like the original (sound > drops off with a click after 8 sec.) ;-) > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > www.tdimusic.com > > Have a nice day! > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31634 Re: mellotron Gustavo Jobim Wed 1/23/2002 3 KB 31636 Re: mellotron TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Wed 1/23/2002 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 4:54 pm Subject: Re: mellotron I do use Cubasis VST, which came as a fantastic and precioussss bonus with my SBlive plat.5.1, so I got Very Interested in this too. I'd also like to know where I can find this plugin. > Martin > Been hunting down the M-Tron Plugin. Do you know the web site link or where > I can find more information on it? I have had not much success in finding > it. > > Dale > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Hi, >> >> do you use Cubase VST? If yes, try the M-Tron native instrument plugin. >> It´s got the 'closest to the real thing'- sound I´ve ever heard and is > much >> better than any sample library of the ´Tron that´s on the market. ...plus >> it´s got all the original tapes and even behaves like the original (sound >> drops off with a click after 8 sec.) ;-) >> Best regards, >>Martin Kasprzak From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 5:35 pm Subject: Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the Watchgirl - Tree Announcement Most excellent news! I've been looking forward to this for a long time, since I recorded my contribution for DWT2, which is probably one of the best pieces I've ever made! And I'm glad it's included on the set. I could be a branch, but I can only make 1 copy. My address is: Gustavo Jobim R. Fabio da Luz, 393 / BL.1 / 101 Meier - Rio de Janeiro - RJ 20720-350 Brazil > Hello everyone: > > This is the first call for participation in the Dreamwatchers' Tales II > tree: > > Is you'd like to participate, please e-mail me the following information: > > Name > City, State, Country > Preferred status (Branch or Leaf) > Branch - able and willing to make copies for others (please include > how many you can do) > Leaf - unable to do copying for others > > Please note that there may be more people requesting branch status than we > need (this happened last time around). These people will then be set up as > leaves and will be utilized as branches for latecomers to the tree. > > Once the tree structure is published it is the responsibility of everyone > involved to contact each other and arrange a trade agreeable to both > parties. This is again a 2CDR set. Both discs are less than 74 minutes, so > 80-minute blanks won't be required. > > If it hasn't been posted yet (I'm in digest mode, so I don't know), Yannick > Edom will be posting the details (artists, tracks, etc.). He is to be > congratulated for assembling another impressive set. I personally like this > set much more than DWT1, and that was a good set as well! > > I'll post a couple reminders before closing out sign-ups. I'd like to have > a tree structure together by February 18th, so I'll take sign-ups until > February 15th. > > If there's anything I forgot to mention, just ask! > > Cheers! > > Tom Richmond > Menomonee Falls, WI > trichmond@b... From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 10:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron At 23:28 22.01.02 , you wrote: >Martin >Been hunting down the M-Tron Plugin. Do you know the web site link or where >I can find more information on it? I have had not much success in finding >it. > >Dale > Hi Dale, try the following link... http://www.gmedia.com/gforce/m-tron/index.html to Gustavo´s request - I don´t use Cubasis (I use the full Cubase VST 32 5.11 setup) but I think that it may not support plugin instruments. If it does... then M-Tron´s for you. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 12:52 pm Subject: tour personnel Including Royal Albert Hall? Didn't know that. What about the other European shows after that one? There were more tour dates if I'm not mistaken. I remember having a low quality concert-tape, said to be from Germany, April '75. Was Baumann back by then or when did he return to the group? /Olle NP: TD - Bilbao 76 >From: 'Owens, James' >One correction: Australia 1975 (including Royal Albert Hall, UK) lineup: >Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Michael Hoenig. (Peter took off to Tibet...) > -----Original Message----- > Tour personnel from 1974-1977 was Edgar Froese, Peter > Baumann, Chris Franke. > > Tour personnel for 1978 was Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Steve > Joliffe, > Klaus Krieger (I think). > > Tour personnel for 1980-1984 was Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Johannes > Schmoelling. > > Tour personnel for 1986-1987(?) was Edgar Froese, Chris > Franke, Paul Haslinger From: 'olovur2' Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 12:56 pm Subject: Re: KS interview 1 Thanks David for the KS interview. Only got around to read it now and it was interesting. I'm a bit surprised by the downplaying of Body Love though. It is one of those, rather few, Schulze albums that is enjoyable all the way, whereas standard practice seems to be; one good track and one not so good track. If he did Body Love without the 'engagement' he had in the other 70's albums I would love to see him less engaged, generally speaking. What was/is this Face Out anyway? /Olle --- In tadream@y..., 'David Foster' wrote: > OK This comes from a letter interview in Face Out 4, an electronic >fanzine from about March 1979. All credit to those that made it. >The contents are relevant to the posts that are appearing now. If >you don't want to read it just delete. From: 'kcasarsa' Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 5:23 am Subject: Cancelled tour (Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse, but I'm new to the group ...) In December, the Buffalo, N.Y., venue where I was supposed to see Tangerine Dream posted a message on their website stating that the cancellation notice they received from the band said that TD's management went bankrupt and that's why the tour was called off. Anybody else hear/read the s Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31641 Re: Cancelled tour Mark Filipak Wed 1/23/2002 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 2:18 pm Subject: items for sale Hi, I have following items for sale, all prices are in US $ and without shipping costs: all items in mint condition - Kraftwerk - Electric Cafe (english version) / Tape / EMI 264 2406444 / US $ 3 - Software - Electronic Universe / Tape / KS 80.055/56 / US $ 2 - V./A. - Erdenklang Music Vol. III / CD / Erdenklang 28572 / US §$ 3 - Elektric Music - Esperanto / CD / with Promo sheet / SPV 084-92832 / US $ 10 - Tangerine Dream - Poland-The Warsaw Concert / CD / Castle Com. ESM CD 365 / UK 1996 / US $ 7 - V./A. - Four the truth / CD / Groove GR 012 / with Ron Boots/Ian Boddy/M. Schoenwaelder ... / US $ 6 - V./A. - GoldTri Vol. 1 / 2CD / Stonk Cd01/02 / withAsana, FSP, AirSculpture, Under the Dome, RAMP, Keller-Schoenwaelder ... / US $ 12 - You - Electric day / CD / CUE-4001 / US $ 7 If you are interested in, please contact me off-list. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de www.tribute-to-ashra.de Bestellen Sie hier Ihre kostenlose head & shoulders Produktprobe - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/ppc?109446C254962016 D2 Vodafone CallYa - http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?86795C1493809712 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 36084 items for sale heiko@o... heineu Tue 9/10/2002 3 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 2:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Cancelled tour Welcome! You can go to http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/firstright.html to read what TDI has to say. -- Mark kcasarsa wrote: > > (Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse, but I'm new to the group ...) > > In December, the Buffalo, N.Y., venue where I was supposed to see > Tangerine Dream posted a message on their website stating that the > cancellation notice they received from the band said that TD's > management went bankrupt and that's why the tour was called off. > Anybody else hear/read the s From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 7:38 pm Subject: sheet music I finally ran across what Dale had been asking for, the sheet music pdfs! it was a dead link on the tadream.net main page. anyway in case you had looked for them, they are there now. http://www.tadream.net/pdf Alchemy of the Heart (piano coda).pdf 185 KB Big Sur Romance.pdf 365 KB Cinammon Road.pdf 662 KB In Julia's Eyes.pdf 216 KB Logos Part One (final section).pdf 1.1 MB Love on a Real Train.pdf 554 KB Song of the Whale Part Two (piano intro).pdf 418 KB Streethawk.pdf 522 KB The Big Sleep in Search of Hades.pdf 656 KB Vermillion Sands.pdf 496 KB Warsaw in the Sun.pdf 546 KB White Clouds.pdf 397 KB Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31669 sheet music Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 1/25/2002 2 KB 31681 Re: sheet music Joe Shoults Sat 1/26/2002 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 7:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] tour personnel My understanding is that the April 2, 1975 Royal Albert Hall show was sort of a finale to the Australia tour. Baumann had returned by the time they played Orange, France (August), and was present for the October UK tour. James > -----Original Message----- > From: olle.rundgren@s... [mailto:olle.rundgren@s...] > > Including Royal Albert Hall? Didn't know that. What about the other > European shows after that one? There were more tour dates if I'm not > mistaken. I remember having a low quality concert-tape, said > to be from > Germany, April '75. Was Baumann back by then or when did he > return to the > group? > >From: 'Owens, James' > > >One correction: Australia 1975 (including Royal Albert Hall, > UK) lineup: > >Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Michael Hoenig. (Peter took off > to Tibet...) > From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 8:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the Watchgirl - Tree Announcement be sure to direct all your Dreamwatchers' Tales tree signups to Tom Richmond mailto:trichmond@b... he may or may not properly receive them here. I'm listening to a neat flange effect on Gustavo's track from DT2, 'Drifting'. Looking forward to hearing the rest! Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 5:36 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the > Watchgirl - Tree Announcement > > > Most excellent news! I've been looking forward to this for a > long time, > since I recorded my contribution for DWT2, which is probably > one of the best > pieces I've ever made! And I'm glad it's included on the set. > > I could be a branch, but I can only make 1 copy. My address is: > Gustavo Jobim > R. Fabio da Luz, 393 / BL.1 / 101 > Meier - Rio de Janeiro - RJ > 20720-350 > Brazil > > > Hello everyone: > > > > This is the first call for participation in the > Dreamwatchers' Tales II > > tree: > > > > Is you'd like to participate, please e-mail me the > following information: > > > > Name > > City, State, Country > > Preferred status (Branch or Leaf) > > Branch - able and willing to make copies for others > (please include > > how many you can do) > > Leaf - unable to do copying for others > > > > Please note that there may be more people requesting branch > status than we > > need (this happened last time around). These people will > then be set up as > > leaves and will be utilized as branches for latecomers to the tree. > > > > Once the tree structure is published it is the > responsibility of everyone > > involved to contact each other and arrange a trade agreeable to both > > parties. This is again a 2CDR set. Both discs are less > than 74 minutes, so > > 80-minute blanks won't be required. > > > > If it hasn't been posted yet (I'm in digest mode, so I > don't know), Yannick > > Edom will be posting the details (artists, tracks, etc.). > He is to be > > congratulated for assembling another impressive set. I > personally like this > > set much more than DWT1, and that was a good set as well! > > > > I'll post a couple reminders before closing out sign-ups. > I'd like to have > > a tree structure together by February 18th, so I'll take > sign-ups until > > February 15th. > > > > If there's anything I forgot to mention, just ask! > > > > Cheers! > > > > Tom Richmond > > Menomonee Falls, WI > > trichmond@b... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31650 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of t Matthew Stringer Thu 1/24/2002 5 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Jan 23, 2002 8:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron This is great Martin! Following the link out, I found a distributor near by plus additional tapes for the plugin. I will have a wait a few days till I get my hands on it but I do believe it is going to work out better than the other idea I was about to try. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] mellotron At 23:28 22.01.02 , you wrote: >Martin >Been hunting down the M-Tron Plugin. Do you know the web site link or where >I can find more information on it? I have had not much success in finding >it. > >Dale > Hi Dale, try the following link... http://www.gmedia.com/gforce/m-tron/index.html to Gustavo´s request - I don´t use Cubasis (I use the full Cubase VST 32 5.11 setup) but I think that it may not support plugin instruments. If it does... then M-Tron´s for you. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Jan 24, 2002 12:15 am Subject: 'Cyborg' artwork I haven't received any replies to my original request for artwork for KS's 'Cyborg' but I've been online and found a number of sites that specialise in CD covers -- and the quality of the artwork appears to be excellent. I've thus managed to download both front and rear artwork (the CD labels were there as well but I wasn't interested in them) so I won't need anyone to scan theirs for me. I was interested to note that the artwork is clearly associated with the narrow 2-CD jewel case, since the spine information is exactly the same on both sides of the graphics/track data that appears through the rear of the case. Other than that, the artwork is identical to that on my cardboard packaged set and the catalogue number on the spines is obviously the same as well. I've included the 'master' URL listing a number of sites where one can download cover graphics for those interested. http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Music/Collecting/Compact_Disc/Cover_Ima ges/ From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Jan 24, 2002 4:27 pm Subject: M-Tron and Nord (OT) Hi everyone, I've been away for a while and have missed reading these posts... FWIW, I highly second Martin's plug for the M-Tron plug. (www.g-media.com/distributed by QUpArts in the U.S. I believe). I like this plug a lot and I also like the Nu-Tron soundbank addition and recommend it. A 'secret' to making it sound 'real' besides playing style is to treat it the way you would the real thing in terms of processing. A note to those of us who are on tighter budgets (though this will be slightly too late for some)... seems like a lot of smaller developers offer really good discounts on stuff for Christmas. The M-Tron was on special too. I think it would have cost you as much to get both the M-Tron and the extra soundbanks as it does normally just to get the M-Tron (if I remember correctly). Nord... A while ago I read a post here from John regarding the Nord modular and picked up a Micro. Wow!!! I mean, wow!!! Thanks, John! I'm saving up for a full modular or perhaps a Lead3 (though I'd be happy with a 2). To bring this all back on topic (maybe in a way)... the Nords are distinctive for their bright fire engine red finish. I noticed one in one of the TD sleeve shots, I think it was Valentine Wheels. Sad news about the cancellation of the TD tour, I was really looking forward to it. Maybe there are some other options out there for someone interested in hearing electronic music being played live? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31648 M-Tron and Nord (OT) Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 1/24/2002 2 KB 31654 Re: M-Tron and Nord (OT) TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Fri 1/25/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Jan 24, 2002 5:43 pm Subject: M-Tron and Nord (OT) Martin and others What soundcard are you using with the M-Tron? I am almost sure that the sound will be very much depending on the quality of the soundcard. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31654 Re: M-Tron and Nord (OT) TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Fri 1/25/2002 3 KB From: tangram12@a... Date: Thu Jan 24, 2002 8:32 pm Subject: rare cds hi everyone i have put a couple of my duplicate cds on ebay. they are jim & Pablo and Ca va-ca Marche-Ca Ira Encore these can be found at http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=duncan41& include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 10:04 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the Watchgirl - Tree Announcement Seems to be a few non-list admissions to DWT2, also how can you have commercial copywrited tracks on some thing that's supposed to be copied? Matt -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] Sent: 23 January 2002 20:41 To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the Watchgirl - Tree Announcement be sure to direct all your Dreamwatchers' Tales tree signups to Tom Richmond mailto:trichmond@b... he may or may not properly receive them here. I'm listening to a neat flange effect on Gustavo's track from DT2, 'Drifting'. Looking forward to hearing the rest! Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 5:36 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the > Watchgirl - Tree Announcement > > > Most excellent news! I've been looking forward to this for a > long time, > since I recorded my contribution for DWT2, which is probably > one of the best > pieces I've ever made! And I'm glad it's included on the set. > > I could be a branch, but I can only make 1 copy. My address is: > Gustavo Jobim > R. Fabio da Luz, 393 / BL.1 / 101 > Meier - Rio de Janeiro - RJ > 20720-350 > Brazil > > > Hello everyone: > > > > This is the first call for participation in the > Dreamwatchers' Tales II > > tree: > > > > Is you'd like to participate, please e-mail me the > following information: > > > > Name > > City, State, Country > > Preferred status (Branch or Leaf) > > Branch - able and willing to make copies for others > (please include > > how many you can do) > > Leaf - unable to do copying for others > > > > Please note that there may be more people requesting branch > status than we > > need (this happened last time around). These people will > then be set up as > > leaves and will be utilized as branches for latecomers to the tree. > > > > Once the tree structure is published it is the > responsibility of everyone > > involved to contact each other and arrange a trade agreeable to both > > parties. This is again a 2CDR set. Both discs are less > than 74 minutes, so > > 80-minute blanks won't be required. > > > > If it hasn't been posted yet (I'm in digest mode, so I > don't know), Yannick > > Edom will be posting the details (artists, tracks, etc.). > He is to be > > congratulated for assembling another impressive set. I > personally like this > > set much more than DWT1, and that was a good set as well! > > > > I'll post a couple reminders before closing out sign-ups. > I'd like to have > > a tree structure together by February 18th, so I'll take > sign-ups until > > February 15th. > > > > If there's anything I forgot to mention, just ask! > > > > Cheers! > > > > Tom Richmond > > Menomonee Falls, WI > > trichmond@b... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Jan 24, 2002 10:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question Because the copyright is owned by the composer in each case, and they have consented to the free copying of this track for the purpose of the Dreamwatcher's Tales - Fable II tree. It's good advertising for those who are actually attempting to make money with their music, and for the rest of us, it's a neat way to let others hear what we 'sound like'. For me, the only purpose in copyrighting is so that another artist doesn't revamp my idea with better instruments and make a hit single out of it! (Yeah, RIGHT!) James > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...] > Seems to be a few non-list admissions to DWT2, also how can you have > commercial copywrited tracks on some thing that's supposed to > be copied? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31662 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question Joe Shoults Fri 1/25/2002 3 KB 31675 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question John Marchington Sat 1/26/2002 5 KB 31679 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question Joe Shoults Sat 1/26/2002 3 KB 31684 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question Owens, James Sat 1/26/2002 3 KB From: Victor Rek Date: Thu Jan 24, 2002 10:54 pm Subject: New York Times Article, 1977 I was in a used record shop last night and while I was handling a promo Rubycon LP, an old newspaper clip fell out from the sleeve. The clipping was from the New York Times, by John Rockwell dated February 13, 1977. The title of the article is 'Space Rock - Into the Weird Blue Yonder'. Here is an excerpt pertaining to Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze: '[...]Much of the interesting German space rock comes out on the English Virgin label or the German Brain label. Tangerine Dream's new 'Stratosfear' - due out on American Virgin in a couple of weeks and available now as an import - and Froese's 'Macula Transfer' both reveal the strengths and limitations of much of this music. The strengths are a vital impetus and a fresh, exotic use of synthesizer coloration. The weaknesses are a certain arbitrary, popsy willingness to wallow in effects for their own sake. Froese and his band remain purists in that they don't stoop to conventional pop-music devices and instrumentation. But with their film scores (some of their music was used for 'The Exorcist' and they have provided the soundtrack for William Friedkin's forthcoming shocker 'The Sorcerer') they slip a little too facilely into sound over substance. More interesting examples of the German school are the many solo disks of a keyboard sensualist name Klaus Schulze and Harmonia's two records, on Brain. Schulze can be extraordinary, although he sometimes slips into a mad-fiend-at-the-organ-in-the-depths-of-his-castle kind of noodling. [...]' [picture of Franke, Baumann, Froese at the bottom of the article - the same show used on the first Disky compilation Dutch CD and many other places] The owner of 'The Music Exchange' in Kansas City was kind enough to give me this article for free while I was purchasing the 8-track of 'Go - Live in Paris' with Klaus Schulze on it :-) Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31657 Re: New York Times Article, 1977 John McIntyre Fri 1/25/2002 2 KB 31665 Re: New York Times Article, 1977 Owens, James Fri 1/25/2002 3 KB 31670 Re: New York Times Article, 1977 Michael A Jean Fri 1/25/2002 3 KB 31671 Re: New York Times Article, 1977 Mark Filipak Fri 1/25/2002 3 KB 31688 Re: New York Times Article, 1977 Vincent Goudreault Sat 1/26/2002 3 KB From: tangram12@a... Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 4:25 am Subject: greece 83, correct date hi everyone below is an email i recieved fro a guy in greece tonight:- Hi,I'm e-mailing from Greece, I just wanted to give the correct dates of the two TD 1983 concerts in Athens: they were :30 and31August of 1983-I was then 10 years old but I do remember seeing them in TV few days after the concerts! Thank you very much, Nikos-Greece. Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31676 Re: greece 83, correct date Chris Owen Sat 1/26/2002 3 KB 31677 Re: greece 83, correct date Paul Fellows Sat 1/26/2002 2 KB From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 9:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] M-Tron and Nord (OT) At 09:43 24.01.02 , you wrote: >Martin and others >What soundcard are you using with the M-Tron? I am almost sure that the >sound will be very much depending on the quality of the soundcard. > >Administrator for Kay-Net.com >admin@k... >661-723-0266 >Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > Hi, I´m using the Guillemot Maxi Studio ISIS, which is an OK-sounding low-bidget multi in-out card. I wouldn´t recommend it, though, because of the high latency of the chipset - you always have a delay if you try to play plugin instruments directly. I therefore mostly play the lines with a sound from my outboard equipment and then route the M-Tron to the MIDI-track. The sound with my ISIS is pretty authentic, though, and fits well with the very orgnaic sound of my goth rock band outifit. ;-) There are two factors you have to consider: - good digital-analog-converters - low latency If you can spare a few pennies more, I´d recommend getting the new MOTU firewire interface (USD 1300) and the Steinberg USB-to-MIDI(USD 200). If you need a low-budget solution, I´d recommend the Hoontech DSP2000 (USD 500) - it´s got 8 ins and outs and MIDI interface and only 3ms latency. Hope this helps... Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 11:03 am Subject: [tree] current poll I just noticed that the name 'Marmalade skies' (10 votes) is the current leader of the poll, closely followed by '(The) Tangerine Tree' (8 votes)..maybe we should use the combined version 'Tangerine trees and marmalade skies' (only 2 votes) so that everybody ends up happy :-) So far we have 121 tree participants, but only 36 votes for a name. Come on people, we need a decision :-) (to vote please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/surveys?id=851324) Heiko P.S.: the target date for sending out my copies to the branches is Monday, February 4th. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31674 Re: [tree] current poll fredericreynolds Sat 1/26/2002 2 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 12:41 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales With the imminent release through the tree of 'Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the Watchgirl' I thought it was about time I turned my attention to the original Dreamwatchers' Tales, and my thoughts about the original set. First of all, I eventually acquired my copy last September, and I kind of had that attitude 'There, I'm cool now, I've got this', and proceeded to play it once (my copies had all the tracks together, and were not indexed as separate tracks, so Disc 1 contains a track of 77.03, and disc 2 76.56!), and then just left it with the rest of the CD's for a short while. One day, when I had nothing better to do, I thought I'd put it on again. This time, I started to listen to it. And before long, both discs were getting quite regular plays on my player. In fact, even my wife likes some of the tracks! Now I've got myself well familiarised with the discs, I think I can write a reasonably objective review. (But bear in mind that I'm not an expert on synthesisers so I don't have too much of a clue as to what instrument is playing, so if I think something is a mellotron when in reality it's a ARP II Polymorph multi-trigger Oberheim modular moog sequencer sampler, then I apologise here and now...) First, a word on the sleeve (which I believe I already mentioned in an earlier posting). All in all, considering it's a CDR and 'tree' packaging, I kind of like the front sleeve design but can't help thinking that the cover to the original CDR release could have been better. Oh, one can't help but being fickle! Secondly, it might have been best to run the notes as regards the musicians past a native speaker as some of the common errors made by those who use English as a second language reveal themselves. If you want, Yannick, you can run them past myself (or maybe Paul Fellows [Don't mind me mentioning your name, do you Paul?]) for proofing. Let's kick off Disc 1, and 'Dreamwatchers Tales', an atmospheric track sampling all the other pieces, along with effects from 'White Out' and 'Le Parc'. Although it's a nice idea, it's kind of disjointed and so doesn't really work. The time used for this track could have been better spent extending those tracks in the collection that had to be cut short... Nightbirds' 'Morning Weather' finally gets the collection going, and the opening atmospheric sequence to the track and the end of the previous 'Dreamwatchers' merge together quite well. After a while, the synths finally start up and we get quite a nice piece. We move onto 'Moon Trigger' by Nemesis, and this piece kind of reminds me of The Orb - series of rhythms but with no discernable melody to speak of to begin with. Then quite a nice line that is repeated from about the middle kicks in, and string synths embellish it further before the rhythms dominate again. Okay for Orb fans... A change of pace and some lovely guitar over the top of some nicely layered synths starts and dominates Olivier Briand's 'Transparences'. Nice and relaxing, and just the right length... no, wait, when the track appears to have come to an end, Olivier picks up the synth pace with Jean Jerez's guitar doing likewise, and the piece sounds like a slightly mellowed out TD sequencer rhythm with Edgar's guitar finally having the volume turned down. Excellent stuff. The next two tracks, I'm afraid, do very little for me. Doktor Strange's 'To Be or Not to Be' just reminds of the discos I have to avoid. Techno is just not me... ...neither is Darklion's 'Desert Live - Dreamlist part', a piece which perhaps is as far away as possible to my idea of electronic music: switch on a few buttons, get the drum machine going, and hey presto - instant track (but it's still better than an awful lot of techno rubbish). However, it is vastly redeemed at the end by some brilliant sampling of Edgar Froese's mellotron opening on 'Maroubra Bay' and other mellotron effects which nicely wash into... 'An Intense and Intimate journey Into Your Mind' by Jeff Bergman. One of my favourites. Although the sequencer progression in consistent throughout (only broken midway by a lone sequencer changing its pitch from down to back up again), the piece is always busy, it has a memorable melody, and the end it leaves one asking for more. Unfortunately, it was cut into its tenth minute... However, after the disappointment of Jeff cut in his prime, we launch into perhaps the gem of the entire set. If I was to choose someone to come up with 'Rubycon 2', then Marcel Engels is the man. I just love those synth flutes, and 'Faraday' is just beautiful. Someone give this man a contract. Marcel - or Free System Project - do you have any official releases? After the previous piece of synth heaven, John Gentile was going to have to work hard to follow that. This piece initially reminded me of Stephen Russell, and although it's pleasant enough, 'Liquid Quartz' doesn't really go anywhere... For what is meant to be an album of electronic music, Dave Brewer's 'December Afternoon' comes as quite a pleasant surprise. After all, didn't 'Ricochet part 2' and 'To Dusk' begin with beautiful piano pieces? There are electronic keyboards that do kick in, but they help to simply enhance what is a lovely, well written piece. I like it. Moving onto Rod Jones or Ephemeris, and 'Astronautilus'. As the sleeve notes say, it's a structured happy composition, including a melody line reminiscent of 'Logos' (or Betty Davis Eyes!?). Certainly sounds eighty-ish, but is no worse for that. I though I was listening to the opening bars of the Wedding March when Gustavo Jobim's 'Mose (Should it be Morse?) Codes - excerpt' kicks in. I think I would have preferred some of his other work rather than an experimental extract played on an electric organ. Sorry Gustavo, forgive me... And so onto Disc 2, and without undue delay, we have Dream Conspiracy's 'Dysfunction', which is nothing sort of brilliant. Certainly reminds me of eighties TD, brilliant melody, loud. Again, maybe frustrating to know that there was more... damn, anybody got a spare copy of the preview CDR? Ionic's 'From Gulf to Gulf' sounds like a kind of filler between tracks 1 & 3; on it's own, perhaps it's nothing too remarkable, although I have to say I do like the slow sequences and chords. It just follows so nicely after track 1 and into track 3... Olyam's 'Moon Ritual' maintains the high quality that starts this disc, with a beautiful little hap-guitar melody line on top of a sequence that continues to build and build. Lovely stuff. After my previous comments as regards Doktor Strange and Darklion's solo pieces on the collection, I kind of expected to be relatively indifferent to 'So Good'. Actually, I quite like this! I suppose it goes on a little too long, and the voice samples are a little irritating, but I love the end with the floating sequences and the bird sound effects which seems to wrap up the track just nicely. Somehow 'So Good' seems to fit with what's already gone so far. .. Two are One, or Tim Scanlon, presents us 'Love of Live' which is a track that seems to be at complete odds with itself. A nice opening guitar sequence is then layered by a clarinet which sounds as though it should be accompanying something else. I have difficulty trying to remember the melody which seems to have been put together in the same way as the guitar and clarinet. It's track that's desperately trying to tell me it's a good, well structured composition but I'm struggling to believe it... Paul Ellis, or Dweller at the Threshold, gives us 'World Without End', a pleasant sequencer piece which kinds of reminds me of early 80's TD during their 'Convention of the 24' period. Maybe goes on a little long, but that's really the only criticism... a little petty, really. Experimental effects begin Fred Yargui's 'Sirius Suite' , again sounding like the opening to an Orb piece. It's nice and slow. Nothing outstanding, but nothing there that wants you to dismiss it either. Actually, if he didn't have the drums, I think it would have been even better and given me the feeling of being in space and maybe on a journey towards Sirius. Okay, it's nice! Brian Frick's 'Sequential 97' is exactly what it is - a melody built onto a repeating sequencer rhythm, but it does seem to hit the nail on the head. The melody and chords do change and what we have is a very nice piece of music. Satsuma Nightmare (ho ho), as the name suggests, come up a piece that certainly reveals their influences from the said band. 'Grating Lobes'. This is a track that perhaps should have been more than it is as it doesn't really change too much all the way through. (apart from the start, of course!) Darklion - lucky chap - makes his third appearance on the collection, this time collaborating with Olyam - and comes up with 'Bubble Bells'. Without knowing the details behind the composition of this track, one has to assume Darklion has played a major influence here (he know even has a trademark electronic drum roll!). But, having said that, it still fits well within the context of the entire second disc. But it's not 'Moon Ritual', sadly... And finally, and an excellent way to finish the set, we have Richard Ford's 'Another Day'. A slow chord sequence begins what turns out to be a wonderfully, bouncy, melodic poppy piece with tubular bell effects embellishing the main melody line further. A great way to end 154 minutes of music! Overall, considering that many of these artists have very kindly donated tracks or have put in some hard hours to come up with something special exclusively for this set, Dreamwatchers' Tales is a pretty good collection. Okay, perhaps like any other compilation it has its hits and misses, but thankfully even the misses have some enduring quality about them. DT is perhaps exceptional when you consider that only those in the know - particularly with this mailing list - possess copies of it. The tree system will ensure that it could well remain a well-treasured secret amongst EM fans. And with 'Dreamwatchers' Tales - Fable II: Visions of the Watchgirl' promising even better, I'm going to ensure I sign up as a leaf this time. Well done to everyone who contributed or helped set up the entire project in the first place. We are all eternally grateful! Roger Hartopp -- Okresl Swoje potrzeby - my znajdziemy oferte za Ciebie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31667 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales Gustavo Jobim Fri 1/25/2002 3 KB 31678 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales RJF Sat 1/26/2002 2 KB From: John McIntyre Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 1:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New York Times Article, 1977 > More interesting examples of the German school are the many solo disks of a > keyboard sensualist name Klaus Schulze and Harmonia's two records, on > Brain. Schulze can be extraordinary, although he sometimes slips into a > mad-fiend-at-the-organ-in-the-depths-of-his-castle kind of noodling. [...]' Ah, yes, the Doctor Phibes effect. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: Tom Richmond Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 1:25 pm Subject: suggestions... Hey gang! I'm in the process of doing a set of TD CDRs for a friend, and would like suggestions for the last two discs. One will be material from 'Optical Race' to present. The other to be live and/or rare 'not to be missed' items. (I have EO, SoD and RDE and some other unofficial live material) I'm having trouble getting this narrowed down... Please reply off-list, as I'm on digest and would like to hear back today if possible. Thanks! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful From: 'Alvaro Valdes' Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 12:17 pm Subject: federico - spain earlier this week i lost all my files in the computer everyone who has traded with me , would you mind much sending email and website addies and list if you have any much appreciated federico [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 2:00 pm Subject: Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks I was contacted by knowledgeble readers and did some more research. Redbook vs data =============== I really did think the CD-ROMs were more like hard disks, but it turns out that I was wrong when I wrote that CD-ROMs used for data, record in concentric rings. Like redbook audio (CD-DA), CD-ROMs also record in a spiral track, but do have more robust sector marking and much stronger error correction. Everything else was essentially correct, though as one responder pointed out, I could have gone into more detail regarding sector marking. Well, enough is enough, and most folks are interested in the bottom line, which remains: Redbook audio (CD-DA) is more fragile than CD-ROM. To Joe Shoults I wrote: 'Ripping redbook accurately is like trying to drop a stylus onto a record at exactly the same point in exactly the same groove 10 times in a row.' I think that about sums it up. Avoiding clicks =============== There is an issue when indexing back-to-back music tracks that are to sound continuous on playback. Most concert material is continuous. A silence pad at the end of a track will produce an audible click at the index point in back-to-back tracks. Clicks can be avoided by following this gospel: Make the length of all WAV files a whole multiple of 588 samples prior to mastering. When cutting a long WAV file (from a sampler or a ripper) into indexed sections, make each section a whole multiple of 588 samples. This provides a resolution of 1/75th of second for the placement of the index point. Where did 588 samples come from? -------------------------------- (44100 samples/second) / (75 blocks/second) = 588 samples/block Why is this an issue? --------------------- Mastering software will pad out a partially filled block by adding silence (zero level samples) so that the block contains exactly 588 samples. If the block that immediately follows it is a continuation of the music, then there will be an audible click at the index point. To avoid the click, avoid the silence padding. To avoid the silence padding, make the length of the WAV file a whole multiple of 588 samples. If your WAV editor doesn't provide assists, get out your calculator and figure out where you want to do your cutting before you break the original sample apart. There is an easy way to get it right ------------------------------------ 1 - Audibly, find a point where you want to put an index point. 2 - If your editor reads out in samples: 2a - If the beginning sample is numbered '0' 2a1 - Add '1' to the end sample number 2a2 - Divide by 588 2a3 - Throw away the fractional part 2a4 - Multiply the whole part by 588 2a5 - Subtract '1' 2a6 - This is your proper end sample number 2a7 - Move the end cursor to that sample number and cut. 2b - If the beginning sample is numbered '1' 2a1 - Divide the end sample number by 588 2a2 - Throw away the fractional part 2a3 - Multiply the whole part by 588 2a4 - This is your proper end sample number 2a5 - Move the end cursor to that sample number and cut. 3 - If your editor reads out in 1000ths of a second 3a - If you can change the mode to samples, do it and go to 2 3b - If you cannot change the mode to samples, quit. Why quit if 3b? --------------- 75 blocks/second ==> 0.017543859649122807... seconds/block (a repeating decimal that does not come out as a whole number of 1000ths of a second). For example: since Cool Edit 1.52 (a 6 year old program) works in 1000ths of a second, it wrongly thinks that 1 second = 44125 samples instead of 44100 samples. A sanity check -------------- To check to see whether the editor is doing the right thing, temporarily save the cut sample as raw pcm. The size of the resulting file in bytes should be evenly divisible by 2352. Where did 2352 come from? ------------------------- 588 samples/block x 2 channels/sample x 2 bytes/channel. About Cool Edit Pro ------------------- On installation, Cool Edit Pro defaults to 1000ths of a second. Change it to work in samples. Ciao -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31661 Re: Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks C. Chambers Fri 1/25/2002 5 KB 31663 Re: Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks Mark Filipak Fri 1/25/2002 5 KB 31664 Re: Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks C. Chambers Fri 1/25/2002 2 KB 31666 Re: Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks Mark Filipak Fri 1/25/2002 3 KB 31668 Re: Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks Klaus Beschorner Fri 1/25/2002 2 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 3:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks > Avoiding clicks > =============== > There is an issue when indexing back-to-back music tracks that > are to sound continuous on playback. > > Most concert material is continuous. A silence pad at the end of > a track will produce an audible click at the index point in > back-to-back tracks. Clicks can be avoided by following this > gospel: Make the length of all WAV files a whole multiple of 588 > samples prior to mastering. Mark...another great job explaining some technical concepts in rather non-technical terms. But my question is 'why?' Why do you need to break up a concert into tracks and/or indexes, when all you need to do is use a cuesheet? Most software, such as CDRWIN and Feurio (I believe) have a cuesheet format for burning discs that allows you to put the trackmarks into a text file and when burning the tracks are created on the disc. A link to CDRWIN is here: http://www.goldenhawk.com/cdrwin.htm A sample cue sheet looks like this: FILE 'C:\Music\Burns\Yes\Konocti1.wav' WAVE TRACK 01 AUDIO TITLE 'Track01' PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist' INDEX 01 00:00:00 TRACK 02 AUDIO TITLE 'Track02' PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist' INDEX 01 00:53:00 TRACK 03 AUDIO TITLE 'Track03' PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist' INDEX 01 05:06:00 TRACK 04 AUDIO TITLE 'Track04' PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist' INDEX 01 16:19:00 TRACK 05 AUDIO TITLE 'Track05' PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist' INDEX 01 16:50:00 TRACK 06 AUDIO TITLE 'Track06' PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist' INDEX 01 22:26:00 My personal opinion is CDRWIN is the best and easiest to use software for burning CDR's. Now the trick is getting the track timings to line up with the sector boundaries...which you can do manually by looking at the wave and picking a 'time' that coincides with 1/75 rule, or by using a fantastically simple program that is called 'CDRCUE'. I bought this a few years ago for like $12 I think, and I cannot believe I used to do it manually. CDRCUE lets you load a full wave file into it's 'player', then you fast forward through the file in 1 min. or 10 sec. increments...once you find where you want to place a track break or index, you insert it in realtime as you are listening and it automatically puts the break on the next sector boundary. The link for CDRCUE is here... http://www.dcsoft.com/prod03.htm Checking the link, it looks like it is now $14.95...also, digging around there is a boatload of information on CD burning software comparisons. Check it out! Guys, I cannot emphasize how invaluable this software program is! I can literally take a full 80 min. CD with 15-20 track breaks and create a Cue sheet in minutes. Each track on a sector boundary, and never have to break up the 'big' wave into tracks...just leave it intact. Once you get the hang of doing it this way, you will say 'gee...I used to spend hours doing what now takes me minutes...' Guaranteed! So, the lesson today is: Life can be simple...if you really want it to be. Craig From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 4:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question LOL! I have uploaded the RealAudio samples from DT2 to the info page: http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl Joe P.S. if anyone knows how to make a link that will play a RealAudio playlist (so you can click a link and play all the samples in succession), please contact me offlist. > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 5:34 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question > > > Because the copyright is owned by the composer in each case, > and they have > consented to the free copying of this track for the purpose of the > Dreamwatcher's Tales - Fable II tree. > > It's good advertising for those who are actually attempting > to make money > with their music, and for the rest of us, it's a neat way to > let others hear > what we 'sound like'. > > For me, the only purpose in copyrighting is so that another > artist doesn't > revamp my idea with better instruments and make a hit single > out of it! > (Yeah, RIGHT!) > > James > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...] > > > Seems to be a few non-list admissions to DWT2, also how can you have > > commercial copywrited tracks on some thing that's supposed to > > be copied? > From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks Gosh Craig. I thought each track had to be a separate wav file. Have I been wrong? -- first time in the last half hour! :-) Thanks for the great information, and yes, I guess I've been doin' it the hard way. Ciao -- Mark 'C. Chambers' wrote: > > > Avoiding clicks > > =============== > > There is an issue when indexing back-to-back music tracks that > > are to sound continuous on playback. > > > > Most concert material is continuous. A silence pad at the end of > > a track will produce an audible click at the index point in > > back-to-back tracks. Clicks can be avoided by following this > > gospel: Make the length of all WAV files a whole multiple of 588 > > samples prior to mastering. > > Mark...another great job explaining some technical concepts in rather > non-technical terms. But my question is 'why?' > > Why do you need to break up a concert into tracks and/or indexes, when all > you need to do is use a cuesheet? Most software, such as CDRWIN and Feurio > (I believe) have a cuesheet format for burning discs that allows you to put > the trackmarks into a text file and when burning the tracks are created on > the disc. > > A link to CDRWIN is here: > http://www.goldenhawk.com/cdrwin.htm > > A sample cue sheet looks like this: > > FILE 'C:\Music\Burns\Yes\Konocti1.wav' WAVE > TRACK 01 AUDIO > TITLE 'Track01' > PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist' > INDEX 01 00:00:00 > TRACK 02 AUDIO > TITLE 'Track02' > PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist' > INDEX 01 00:53:00 > TRACK 03 AUDIO > TITLE 'Track03' > PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist' > INDEX 01 05:06:00 > TRACK 04 AUDIO > TITLE 'Track04' > PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist' > INDEX 01 16:19:00 > TRACK 05 AUDIO > TITLE 'Track05' > PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist' > INDEX 01 16:50:00 > TRACK 06 AUDIO > TITLE 'Track06' > PERFORMER 'Unknown Artist' > INDEX 01 22:26:00 > > My personal opinion is CDRWIN is the best and easiest to use software for > burning CDR's. > > Now the trick is getting the track timings to line up with the sector > boundaries...which you can do manually by looking at the wave and picking a > 'time' that coincides with 1/75 rule, or by using a fantastically simple > program that is called 'CDRCUE'. I bought this a few years ago for like $12 > I think, and I cannot believe I used to do it manually. CDRCUE lets you > load a full wave file into it's 'player', then you fast forward through the > file in 1 min. or 10 sec. increments...once you find where you want to place > a track break or index, you insert it in realtime as you are listening and > it automatically puts the break on the next sector boundary. > > The link for CDRCUE is here... > http://www.dcsoft.com/prod03.htm > > Checking the link, it looks like it is now $14.95...also, digging around > there is a boatload of information on CD burning software comparisons. > Check it out! Guys, I cannot emphasize how invaluable this software program > is! > > I can literally take a full 80 min. CD with 15-20 track breaks and create a > Cue sheet in minutes. Each track on a sector boundary, and never have to > break up the 'big' wave into tracks...just leave it intact. Once you get > the hang of doing it this way, you will say 'gee...I used to spend hours > doing what now takes me minutes...' Guaranteed! > > So, the lesson today is: > > Life can be simple...if you really want it to be. > > Craig > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- It's 2002. Do you know where Osama is? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31664 Re: Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks C. Chambers Fri 1/25/2002 2 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 4:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks > Gosh Craig. I thought each track had to be a separate wav file. > Have I been wrong? -- first time in the last half hour! :-) > > Thanks for the great information, and yes, I guess I've been > doin' it the hard way. > > Ciao -- Mark > Heh! I did it the hard way for way too long! CDRCUE and WINCDR were godsends...but, I think everyone must be required to do it the painful 'old' way. It's only fair. Craig From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 4:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] New York Times Article, 1977 I didn't know any of TD's music ended up in 'The Exorcist'. Is this true, or just a misunderstanding of the author of the article? James I can just picture KS in a foreboding castle dressed in a black cloak pounding away at an enourmous pipe organ! > -----Original Message----- > From: Victor Rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] > [...] > scores (some of their music was used for 'The Exorcist' and they have > provided the soundtrack for William Friedkin's forthcoming > shocker 'The > Sorcerer') they slip a little too facilely into sound over substance. [...] > > Schulze can be extraordinary, although he sometimes > slips into a > mad-fiend-at-the-organ-in-the-depths-of-his-castle kind of > noodling. [...]' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 31670 Re: New York Times Article, 1977 Michael A Jean Fri 1/25/2002 3 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 4:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks God Bless this list. And God Bless the Net. I was out of commission for too long. Hey, Joe! You were going to send me a care package. Are these the type of toys you had in mind? -- Mark 'C. Chambers' wrote: > > > Gosh Craig. I thought each track had to be a separate wav file. > > Have I been wrong? -- first time in the last half hour! :-) > > > > Thanks for the great information, and yes, I guess I've been > > doin' it the hard way. > > > > Ciao -- Mark > > > > Heh! I did it the hard way for way too long! CDRCUE and WINCDR were > godsends...but, I think everyone must be required to do it the painful 'old' > way. It's only fair. > > Craig > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- It's 2002. Do you know where Osama is? From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 12:05 am Subject: Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales Hi Roger and all, That was a very nice review indeed,I even saved it in my 'texts' folder :) > First of all, I eventually acquired my copy last September, and I kind of had that attitude 'There, I'm cool now, I've got this', and proceeded to play it once (...), and then just left it with the rest of the CD's for a short while. That also happened with me; actually I still haven't totally gotten into DWT, although I got it soon after it was first released. Maybe I should save the time to do nothing else than just listen to it. But some favourites I can remember are Jeff Bergman's Intense Journey, Olyam's Moon Ritual and the total classic Faraday by FSP. > I though I was listening to the opening bars of the Wedding March when Gustavo Jobim's 'Mose (Should it be Morse?) Codes - excerpt' kicks in. I think I would have preferred some of his other work rather than an experimental extract played on an electric organ. Sorry Gustavo, forgive me... No problem, Roger! I'm not sure if I've already said this here; I don't like this track this way either, but the excerpt in DWT are the final minutes of this 10 minute long track. It's one of my earliest, craziest and favourite improvisations on the synth; my arms were burning after I played that insane ending. Unfortunately, even my favourite section isn't there. If anyone is interested, I'll be glad to put the full mp3 of Morse Codes in our files folder, if possible, or send by ICQ. I just can't send by email. -GJ From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 5:49 pm Subject: RE: Redbook vs data plus Avoiding clicks >Gosh Craig. I thought each track had to be a separate wav file. > Have I been wrong? -- first time in the last half hour! :-) Of course. Another way to leave the big WAV intact is to use WinOnCD for burning. You can set the track indices in the Editor. It defaults to block resolution, so no issue with clicks. It basically does the same thing as CDRWins cuesheets, but internally, all you do is click on the proper point in the waveform. cheers, klaus From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 7:28 pm Subject: sheet music Love on a Real Train.pdf 554 KB I am getting a message that says, it isn't there... Can you check and see what is up with this one. I manage to see the rest. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 8:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] New York Times Article, 1977 A misundertanding I believe... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:31 AM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] New York Times Article, 1977 > > > I didn't know any of TD's music ended up in 'The Exorcist'. > > Is this true, or just a misunderstanding of the author of the article? > > James > > I can just picture KS in a foreboding castle dressed in a black cloak > pounding away at an enourmous pipe organ! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Victor Rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] > > > [...] > > scores (some of their music was used for 'The Exorcist' and they have > > provided the soundtrack for William Friedkin's forthcoming > > shocker 'The > > Sorcerer') they slip a little too facilely into sound over substance. > > [...] > > > > > Schulze can be extraordinary, although he sometimes > > slips into a > > mad-fiend-at-the-organ-in-the-depths-of-his-castle kind of > > noodling. [...]' > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New York Times Article, 1977 A very persistent misunderstanding. For your amusement, here are the names of some files I have in my shared directory: pink floyd - tangerine dream -- is neither PF nor TD !!.mp3 tangerine dream - a clockwork orange - is not TD !! .mp3 tangerine dream - never ending story - is Giorio Moroder, not TD !! .mp3 Tangerine Dream - The Exorcist - is Mike Oldfield, not TD !! .mp3 Tangerine Dream - The Never Ending Story - is Giorgio Moroder, not TD !! .mp3 Tangerine Dream - Trance Control - is not TD !! (good techno though) .mp3 Tangerine Dream - Tubular Bells - is Mike Oldfield, not TD !! .mp3 Tangerine_Dream-Never-Ending_Story_[Main_Theme] - is Giorio Moroder, not TD !! .mp3 Theme - Tangerine Dream - Never Ending Story - is Giorgio Moroder, not TD !! .mp3 XXXXX___Live_K_In_12.6.1971_-_01_-_Stratovarius__is_not_Tangerine_Dream___XXXXX_\ .mp3 Since these have started coming up right below the real files, people have begun to wise up and not further propagate these frauds. (The PF & TD one sounds like someone's 'tribute' noodling.) -- Mark Michael A Jean wrote: > > A misundertanding I believe... > > MJ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > > > > I didn't know any of TD's music ended up in 'The Exorcist'. > > > > Is this true, or just a misunderstanding of the author of the article? > > > > James From: 'convention24' Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 11:54 pm Subject: A very misunderstanding. Hello All I have been most interested in your comments on the Voluptuous sounds of Mr Friedkins EXORCIST,the great Dream never done it,like they never done miami vice,but who gives a HOOT,you people surely understand,TANGERINE DREAM are the greatest of all time,im just off to listen to the incredible Mars Polaris. Best regards Convention24 AKA Astrophobia From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 11:51 pm Subject: Re: Mtron and sound card (OT) I'm using MOTU 828. When you're talking about virtual effects and instruments sound cards have no bearing on the quality of sound itself. The sound remains internal to the host. You assign a midi controller to your virtual synth and play it as you would any other keyboard. When your track is done (using Cubase as an example), just do an Export audio and the track will be saved as an audio file. The cool thing is that you can do this for multiple tracks, including effects and automation of your mix. All you have to do is Export and Cubase will 'magically' create a stereo mixdown file for you that you can then throw on a cd. With virtual instruments the big issue is latency. The quality of your sound card and drivers, combined with the speed of your cpu, hardrive, and amount of memory all act together to determine the latency of your system. Latency is the length of time it will take from the moment you hit a key to trigger your virtual synth to when you actually hear a sound. At best, it can be negligible and perhaps even better than a slow hardware synth. At worst it can make it almost unuseable. Note, this is only a problem when you're trying to play your virtual instrument or record. If you're just playing stuff back, it won't matter (e.g. everything will play back in sync regardless of your latency). If your system exhibits a very high latency what you could do is record your midi using one of your hardware keyboards playing a sound similar to what you envision as the final sound. Then just reassign the resultant midi track to one of your virtual synths afterwards. Since this is way too technical and off topic for this list, please feel free to e-mail me privately if I can be of any help. Wes <<>> From: 'fredericreynolds' Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 2:53 am Subject: Re: [tree] current poll --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > I just noticed that the name 'Marmalade skies' (10 votes) is the current > leader of the poll, closely followed by '(The) Tangerine Tree' (8 > votes)..maybe we should use the combined version 'Tangerine trees and > marmalade skies' (only 2 votes) so that everybody ends up happy :-) Suggest that we use 'Tangerine Tree' for this set, and 'Marmalde Skies' for a sequel! --Fred From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 4:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question Hi Joe, I followed your link to check out some of the DWT II tracks and everything started off well with the excerpt from 'Fable' being loaded into a temporary folder and RealPlayer starting. However, I was then informed that I needed a new plug-in to be able to play the samples and a new window appeared advising me to upgrade to RealOne! Checking it out on the Read Audio web site (which I was automatically taken to) it seemed I was being asked for US$9.95/month -- whatever that means. I notice it's only a beta version anyway. I returned to the Tadream web site and tried the second track 'Contact' only to be confronted with the same problem. What's going on? BTW, I downloaded the excellent artwork for the project so I'll be able to get all that organised. Very impressed with it, actually. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 5:00 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question > LOL! > > I have uploaded the RealAudio samples from DT2 to the info page: > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl > > Joe > > P.S. if anyone knows how to make a link that will play a RealAudio playlist > (so you can click a link and play all the samples in succession), please > contact me offlist. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 5:34 PM > > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales copyright question > > > > > > Because the copyright is owned by the composer in each case, > > and they have > > consented to the free copying of this track for the purpose of the > > Dreamwatcher's Tales - Fable II tree. > > > > It's good advertising for those who are actually attempting > > to make money > > with their music, and for the rest of us, it's a neat way to > > let others hear > > what we 'sound like'. > > > > For me, the only purpose in copyrighting is so that another > > artist doesn't > > revamp my idea with better instruments and make a hit single > > out of it! > > (Yeah, RIGHT!) > > > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...] > > > > > Seems to be a few non-list admissions to DWT2, also how can you have > > > commercial copywrited tracks on some thing that's supposed to > > > be copied? > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 12:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] greece 83, correct date Having refered to a review of these two shows written by Omiros Karajas (whom I believe also presented the TV broadcast and also interviewed the band in the TV studio), I can confirmed Duncan's post that the concert dates were indeed August 30 and 31. It's strange how the dates of these particular shows have often been confused, even to the extent of the year sometimes being quoted as 1983 and sometimes as 1984! - Chris > hi everyone > below is an email i recieved fro a guy in greece tonight:- > > Hi,I'm e-mailing from Greece, I just wanted to give the > correct dates of the two TD 1983 concerts in Athens: > they were :30 and31August > of 1983-I was then 10 years old but I do remember seeing them in TV few days > after the concerts! > Thank you very much, > Nikos-Greece. > > > Duncan McKee > From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 12:59 pm Subject: re: [tadream] greece 83, correct date Hi all, My concert dates pages have been updated and tidied up with a few additions here and there: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/concertdates.html From: RJF Date: Sat Jan 26, 2002 3:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tale