From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:47 am Subject: I Box Wow! This little set has generated a lot of conversation...I figure that I might as well join the fray...In short, I think it is a good deal for the price. The CDs have a generous running time. Yes there are numerous tracks that appeared on prior discs, but there are several that have not. Some are quite nice, like the more romantic sounding Unicorn Theme, and a track credited to Ralf Wadephul. It is hard to say what the exact origins of the live tracks are. However TD DID tour in support of Optical Race, Lily on the Beach and Melrose (which are the albums most of the live songs are from). As for audience noise, I personally prefer NOT to hear it. Given that much of the sound could be recorded direct to digital, why make use of exterior microphones that would result in inferior sound? It may also be a fore shadowing of TDI's eventual release of these three discs (which I don't think has happened yet). As for pondering whether they are studio creations or not... Who is to say exactly what constitutes 'live'? Does it have to be a major concert in front of a large audience? If you visited TD's studio while they were recording a tune, and played it right in front of you, and made a tape just for you, is that 'live'? I would say 'yes'! An artist playing in real time, is a live recording, regardless of the size of the audience. Take LIVEMILES for example... People say it is different from the concert performed in New Mexico, and therefore it isn't really live. Well, what if they DID perform it in New Mexico as a rehearsal before the show? Isn't it still live? Who knows? I am starting to bore myself...haha! As for the missing classic 70s material, I suspect the is one simple reason. TDI probably doesn't own the rights to the music;ie. VIRGIN does. I have spent just as much on three other highly anticipated, very short, and very disappointing CDs by Sade, Enya, and Madonna. In the case of ENYA we waited 5 years for a disc with a running time of less than 35 minutes! MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25650 Re: I Box Sean Montgomery Fri 1/12/2001 3 KB 25651 Re: I Box Feldon Feldon Fri 1/12/2001 4 KB 25655 Re: I Box Greg Sat 1/13/2001 5 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 9:59 pm Subject: Re: i-box >The booklet is indeed very very good, even better than the >Dream Roots Collection booklet. Lots of photos I haven't seen >yet. Similar effect as 20 years ago with the TD 70-80 4LP set. Armin, I agree with you as far as the selection of photos is concerned. But, man, the postage-stamp size of these pictures. And the miniscule white text on black background - headache guaranteed. Not entirely TDs fault, but they shouldn't just design a great LP-size booklet and then reduce it to CD size. Sure makes me wish the industry had selected the 12' laserdisk as the format for the CD, so that we could still have decent LP-size covers, booklets, pictures etc... Well, guess that just makes me a whiny old geezer ;-) cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25644 Re: i-box Joel S. Mullen Fri 1/12/2001 3 KB 25674 Re: i-box Armin Theissen Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB 25678 Re: i-box Frank Arellano Mon 1/15/2001 4 KB From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 3:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: i-box On Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:00 PM, Klaus Beschorner [SMTP:klaus@c...] wrote: > Sure makes me wish the industry had selected the 12' laserdisk > as the format for the CD, so that we could still have decent > LP-size covers, booklets, pictures etc... > That would make for one heck of a big hole in the dash of my car! Just imagine what a 5 disc changer would look like. It would be as big as a bed! Or imagine a room-sized Sony 400 disc changer that weighs 3000 lbs when fully loaded...... Nahhhh I think I will just hold the CD booklet a little closer to my eyes when I look at it. But I suppose using that same logic sitting 2 feet away from my 27' TV would be the same as owning a big-screen. ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25674 Re: i-box Armin Theissen Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB From: joes@f... Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:02 pm Subject: Re: live albums --- In tadream@egroups.com, Chris Richards wrote: > You think it's wrong for bands to use more than > one concert when preparing a live album? I don't no- it's not 'wrong'; I was just commenting on the fact that 'live' doesn't necessarily mean unadulterated and from only one concert. > on Space Ritual, and the Grateful Dead did it on > virtually all over their live albums. So long as Grateful Dead's 'Dick's Picks' series is unadulterated, single concerts, AFAIK From: Tom Richmond Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:02 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales CDR project Hello dreamers: This is the first call for participation in the 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' CDR tree. There are two levels of participation: Branch: one who is able (and willing) to make copies for others Leaf: one who wishes a copy, but is unable to make copies To sign up please send an email with the following information: Name Address City, State, Country email address (if different from where you're sending from) Branch or Leaf status - if you're signing up as a branch, please note how many copies you are willing and able to make to tmrtree@h... Please use this address for all correspondence regarding this project. While I can be reached at the address Yannick noted, I don't think the network administrators would appreciate the additional non-work-related volume on their server. It will be the responsibility of branches and leaves to arrange a trade that is acceptable to both parties. Branches please note that 'blanks plus return postage' MUST be an option. Not everyone has a lot to trade and we want to include everyone who's interested. I'll be accepting sign-ups for about two weeks. After all sign-ups are in (I'll post a reminder or two...) I'll be organizing two trees, one for North America and one for Europe. If you're not in either area, sign up anyway, we'll make sure you're taken care of. Any questions, email me at the above address. Cheers everybody! P.S. Special thanks to Yannick, Joe and anyone else involved with making this project a reality! ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful.. From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 3:39 pm Subject: RE: Track credits Hartopp wrote: >Certainly, during the CF years, no matter who composed what track on >each album, it was always given a group credit, only sometimes the order >of composer would differ Notably on the 70-80 box. Certainly one of the most interesting examples of what each of the members of the classic lineup contibuted with to the overall sound-picture. There is the unmistakable Froese track with guitarr, the rhytmic piece of Francke and the lovely short Baumann track which is as good a proof as any of what his sense of melody meant to TD. /Olle From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES It's at this point I wish that the track I submitted was a lot better! Thank you to everyone involved in putting this thing together, it's shaping up to be very interesting indeed. On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, you wrote: > Hello everyone on the List > > First happy new year 2001. The new Millenium will see the CDR project now > titled 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' ... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25649 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Richard Fri 1/12/2001 3 KB From: Richard Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 6:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES In message <01011216442003.08910@z...>, Matthew Stringer writes >It's at this point I wish that the track I submitted was a lot better! I have the same feeling about mine. -- Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 6:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I Box Michael A Jean wrote: > As for audience noise, I personally prefer NOT to hear it. True enough. The whole reason why so many fans want TD to release live material in the first place is because bootleg recordings have an *abundance* of crowd noise. Coughing, talking, whooping and hollering. But the whole point of putting out a live album is to a) give fans who couldn't make it to the show an idea of what they missed...and b) to give fans who were there a document of the experience. Consequently, a track like 'Dreamyard' fails on both counts. And yes, so does Livemiles. But at least Livemiles featured previously-unreleased music (and good music at that). Repackaging already available studio recordings, and suckering fans into buying them by calling them 'live' is just shameless. Look, TD obviously knows that live tapes of their shows are in the fan community, so why do they expect to fool people? > As for pondering whether they are studio creations or not... Who is to say > exactly what constitutes 'live'? Does it have to be a major concert in > front of a large audience? If you visited TD's studio while they were > recording a tune, and played it right in front of you, and made a tape just > for you, is that 'live'? Now you're sounding like a lawyer, Mr. Jean. Should we start calling Mars Polaris, Stratofear and Le Parc 'live' albums? -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I Box >From: 'Michael A Jean' > >It is hard to say what the exact origins of the live tracks are. Well, members on the list who have commented so far have heard pretty much every live concert either in person or on tape during the years inclusive in i-Box. So except for the 'studio live' which you mention, these tracks can't be considered truly live except for a few tracks such as Longing for Cashba (I've got the 1990 tape it's from and I can say it's for real). >As for audience noise, I >personally prefer NOT to hear it. Given that much of the sound could be >recorded direct to digital, why make use of exterior microphones that would >result in inferior sound? That's funny. I've always found myself enjoying the ambience of these concert halls and and audience noise. While most of the tapes I have could be in a lot clearer shape, I don't think there is a major hit by audience noise being allowed to overlap the music, even for the first 30 seconds or so. And I have to tell you, EVERY track from Exit that has been performed live has been so much more interesting than the album versions it's unreal. >Take LIVEMILES for example... People say it is different from the concert >performed in New Mexico, and therefore it isn't really live. Well, what if >they DID perform it in New Mexico as a rehearsal before the show? Well that's the joke. They must have had an unbelieveable 35 minute rehearsal, playing 1 song that wouldn't be played live DURING a concert until 1988, and another song that never got played live. And also, track 3 of the Alberquerque was never played that at that speed, and always led into the 1986 Logos-Blue rewrite. So it could be POSSIBLE that it was played that night. The bottom line is anyone who attended that concert and then bought the CD didn't have 1 nanosecond of their memories of the concert etched on the CD. And the Spanish introduction was just an insult. I wonder how much they paid someone to act up that part. And I agree with the comments about Edgar dodging Chris Franke tracks in a prior post. It'll take a lot to disprove this theory with me. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 7:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES I'll bet you anything that this is exactly what Edgar thinks when he pulls out those dusty ole tapes... ;) j.gordon --- Richard wrote: > In message <01011216442003.08910@z...>, Matthew Stringer > writes > >It's at this point I wish that the track I submitted was a lot better! > > I have the same feeling about mine. > -- > Richard > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25653 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Richard Fri 1/12/2001 3 KB From: Richard Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 9:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES In message <20010112195606.6632.qmail@w...>, j.gordon writes >I'll bet you anything that this is exactly what Edgar thinks when he pulls out >those dusty ole tapes... ;) I'm sorry, but that made me laugh. -- Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 3:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES It's probably true though :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Richard' To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES > In message <20010112195606.6632.qmail@w...>, j.gordon > writes > >I'll bet you anything that this is exactly what Edgar thinks when he pulls out > >those dusty ole tapes... ;) > > I'm sorry, but that made me laugh. > -- > Richard > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I Box ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Michael A Jean' To: 'Tadreamonelist' Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 9:47 PM Subject: [tadream] I Box > As for pondering whether they are studio creations or not... Who is to say > exactly what constitutes 'live'? Does it have to be a major concert in > front of a large audience? If you visited TD's studio while they were > recording a tune, and played it right in front of you, and made a tape just > for you, is that 'live'? I would say 'yes'! An artist playing in real time, > is a live recording, regardless of the size of the audience. > MJ I have to disagree.. studio albums are often recorded in tracks.. mixed.. messed with.. etc. There is only so much three (or two) people can do at any one given time.. *if* they don't have giga-samplers with their own pre-recorded tunes ready to be mixed. Now we can draw the line between when TD actually played concerts and just hit play in more modern concerts. Without a doubt I think TD could perform 'live' a studio track today exactly as its studio original.. but with use of numerous hard drives, samplers and MIDI. But if we are talking about a performance 13 or 14 years ago, we have to look at the characteristics of the band, did they play exactly like the studio material? What about concert tapes - do live versions of material exist that sound exactly studio original? Did they have technology that allowed for studio sound duplication? Was the material created for or designed to be properly performed in a way that would match the studio creation? The thing I'm getting at here is the inevitability that one will call studio work live simply because it's electronic music - digital music thus being performed everywhere live by those who have the digital duplicates. The band can appear, make themselves look busy, but push out the same exact tune on the CD you just bought 5 months before. In all honesty, I think that's why electronic music isn't so huge in America, people like performance, shows, variety.. they are huge quick-gratification freaks (I know, I live here!). TD hasn't slumped that low of yet.. as long as they have the guitar, there will be some variation. Also they usually add some 'live texture' to the music with some MIDI percussion and sound effects. Live used to ultimately refer to an artist who can perform music in front of an audience in such a way that it is entertaining and shows the talent of the artist. Bit it also creates a pressure situation on the artist, sometimes causing errors in playing. About the only problems TD has these days is blown speakers, technical problems, and power outages. Live music used to take away that studio polish.. and this polish is what I still hear in the so called 'live' versions of those tracks on the iBox. The day we pay to hear TD CDs at a TD concert just for the big sound system is the day I think I'll give up on the band. You can only stretch what the word live means so far. Greg H. NP: i-Mac.. oops.. I mean i-Box AKA (a Microsoft PC) heh From: keri.ford@p... Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 8:42 pm Subject: Hi There, I was surfing the net for Tangerine Dream album reviews and finding very little when I came across this discussion group which I thought might be able to help me. I first got into Tangerine Dream ages ago listenning to my brothers copy of Phaedra, subsegquently I got Rubycon, Ricochet, Tangram, 70-80 & Zeit. These were all on vinyl. This was music from outer space from the distant reaches of the mind, reaching down into the heart of the creative nature to return with strange jewel like dreams beautiful beyond ones wildest hopes. Now after some years I'm rediscovering this band trying to decide what to buy etc, so if you can give me some overview that would be much appreciated. I have recently got Hyperborea, Oasis (Soundtrack), Tyger (which I just had to get as I also greatly admire William Blake, although I find the pronunciation of the River Thames very funny) & Atem. In a shop handy to me there are copies of Optical Race, Le Parc, The Hollywood Years, Underwater Sunlight, Green Desert, Alpha Centauri, The Dream Mixes I & Electronic Meditations. What would people recommend, I would like representative works from all the different periods of the Dream. If anyone can point me to a site of good comprehensive online TD reviews that would be great too. Ciao Borris From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 8:41 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Tangerine Dream story Hi all, Well, Heiko Heerssen and myself have at last finished a readable version of that very long 28 page biography which you have all been dying to see, it's at the following address under the 'Aktuelle' button: http://www.germanrock.de/ And they very generously offered us both a CD for our trouble! Paul From: keri.ford@p... Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 8:44 pm Subject: Newbie wanting TD reviews Hi There, I was surfing the net for Tangerine Dream album reviews and finding very little when I came across this discussion group which I thought might be able to help me. I first got into Tangerine Dream ages ago listenning to my brothers copy of Phaedra, subsegquently I got Rubycon, Ricochet, Tangram, 70-80 & Zeit. These were all on vinyl. This was music from outer space from the distant reaches of the mind, reaching down into the heart of the creative nature to return with strange jewel like dreams beautiful beyond ones wildest hopes. Now after some years I'm rediscovering this band trying to decide what to buy etc, so if you can give me some overview that would be much appreciated. I have recently got Hyperborea, Oasis (Soundtrack), Tyger (which I just had to get as I also greatly admire William Blake, although I find the pronunciation of the River Thames very funny) & Atem. In a shop handy to me there are copies of Optical Race, Le Parc, The Hollywood Years, Underwater Sunlight, Green Desert, Alpha Centauri, The Dream Mixes I & Electronic Meditations. What would people recommend, I would like representative works from all the different periods of the Dream. If anyone could point me to a good comprehensive site for online TD reviews that would be great. Ciao Borris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25662 Re: Newbie wanting TD reviews Gustavo Jobim Mon 1/15/2001 4 KB 25664 Re: Newbie wanting TD reviews Jared White Mon 1/15/2001 5 KB 25680 Re: Newbie wanting TD reviews Frank Arellano Tue 1/16/2001 5 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 9:05 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] I Box Hi all, A lot of people seem to think that they are being cheated with the album 'LiveMiles' because it's nothing like the original live concert. Well, here's why: Regarding 'LiveMiles' it has to be said however that contrary to the bootleg recording it does not correspond to the original concert in Berlin. For legal reasons Tangerine Dream could not release the whole concert, but had to cut out some sections due to legal reasons. As Edgar explained in a 1989 interview: 'not only unreleased material was played during the live concerts. As we often do, things were also played which appeared as parts of official releases. Music which sometimes has been locked away in the safes of the film production companies, partially on records, which are difficult to obtain, etc. For the release of LiveMiles we had to use certain sequences and sections which were legally available to us. We had to make a lot of compromises. In this case we were particularly sad about it because there was so much atmosphere here which we wanted to put on record. But we had to cut bits out, change sequences and do remixes in order to remain within the legal framework.' There's your answer, and hopefully the peasants will be a bit less revolting as a result (we can always live in hope, anyway)! By the way, I think it's a great album on its own merit, I don't care how it was made or where it came from, it's already pretty impressive considering it was 'patched together' at a later date... Paul From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 11:13 pm Subject: TD albums Borris should get I've just recently started getting into TD again bigtime after first being introduced to them years ago. I am mainly a fan of their older stuff, so I would recommend going to that shop and getting Green Desert asap. Other must-haves (IMO) not on your list are Poland (1984), Logos (1982) and Stratosfear (1976). mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 10:41 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Hey, I have a website with electronic music reviews, including TD. Some may call them 'alternative' reviews..... Due to some people here being pissed of at me (not that I care) I wont 'spam' the list with the URL again but contact me in private if you want to know, Borris (or was it Keri?) glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25666 SV: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Glenn Folkvord Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 4:02 am Subject: Re: Newbie wanting TD reviews > From: keri.ford@p... >In a shop handy to me >there are copies of Optical Race, Le Parc, The Hollywood Years, >Underwater Sunlight, Green Desert, Alpha Centauri, The Dream >Mixes I & Electronic Meditations. What would people >recommend, I would like representative works from all the >different periods of the Dream. From the first years (70-73), you already have a good album, which is Zeit. Many people hate it but I like it a lot, because it's a fantastic space-ambient album. I rarely play it though. Alpha Centauri is the best album from that period, with the best track from that period which is the second one, Fly And Collision of Comas Sola. Franke's drumming is very good in there. I wouldn't recommend Electronic Meditation; it's their first one, it's a rehearsal recorded in 69, very very experimental. And not so electronic. From the Virgin years (74-83), you have some of the best. I would also recommend Encore (77), their second live album, which is good because it has all their styles from 71 to 76. White Eagle (82) is another great album, a bit like Hyperborea but better. Le Parc (85) is one of my favourites, as is Poland (84). Le Parc has a very good blend of rhythmic and melodic tracks. I consider Lily on the Beach (89) quite similar to Le Parc in that way, although it sounds a bit more uniform than Le Parc and has a few unnecessary tracks. Lily has some of my favourite tracks like Valley of the Kings, Crystal Curfew and Too Hot For My Chinchilla. Underwater Sunlight (86) and Le Parc (85), IMO, are just like Hyperborea (83) and White Eagle (82): the second is good, but the first is better. Und.Sun. has great tracks. My favourite are the first one (Song of the Whale part one) and the first of side B (Dolphin Dance). Another very good album is 220 Volt Live (92). Another anjoyable one from the 90s is Tyranny of Beauty (95), although after the first two or three tracks it begins to sound too uniform for me; each track begins to sound just like the previous one. I play Tyranny as rarely as Zeit. You can read lots of reviews searching the list's files at the egroups site, just search for the album name between brackets, like [Zeit], and you should find lots of them. We had scheduled weekly album discussions,which ended some time in November/early December. Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) From: 'Harri Ikonen' Date: Sun Jan 14, 2001 2:57 pm Subject: TD video clips While browsing germanrock.de, I somehow got to inet-tv.net web site (famous for it's solar eclipse video with TD music) and noticed that there are other TD clips too. The following are from the Oasis video, but there's also some added commentary about the nature scenes. Flashflood http://real1.inet-tv.net:8080/ramgen/clips/oasis/oasis01.smil Waterborne http://real1.inet-tv.net:8080/ramgen/clips/oasis/oasis02.smil Summer Storm http://real1.inet-tv.net:8080/ramgen/clips/oasis/oasis03.smil And here's the real treat, nine minutes of clips from TD's April 18, 1997 concert http://inet-tv.net/inet/ramfiles/tdlive.ram Anybody know if there's a videotape of the concert circling around somewhere? Regards, Harri From: 'Jared White' Date: Sun Jan 14, 2001 12:18 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Hi, Borris, Welcome to the wild and woolly world of TD fans! > Now after some years I'm rediscovering this band trying to > decide what to buy etc, so if you can give me some overview that > would be much appreciated. I have recently got Hyperborea, > Oasis (Soundtrack), Tyger (which I just had to get as I also > greatly admire William Blake, although I find the pronunciation of > the River Thames very funny) & Atem. In a shop handy to me > there are copies of Optical Race, Le Parc, The Hollywood Years, > Underwater Sunlight, Green Desert, Alpha Centauri, The Dream > Mixes I & Electronic Meditations. What would people > recommend, I would like representative works from all the > different periods of the Dream. Optical Race, Le Parc, and Dream Mixes I are very good landmark albums to buy if you're still getting a feel for TD's various styles. Optical Race was the first album TD made after Chris Franke left, and it was the beginning of a new epoch in TD history. Le Parc was made several years before and was the last album to feature the talents of Johannes Schmoelling. Dream Mixes I came out in 1995 featuring Jerome Froese's new dance sensibilities that took TD's then-current output to a new level. A few more albums I'd heartily recommend are Turn of the Tides (1994), Goblin's Club (1996), and Mars Polaris (1999). If you would like to hear a more laid-back, contemplative, and classical-like side of modern TD, try Seven Letters from Tibet (2000). Whatever you do, stay away from Hollywood Years! A worst collection of 'music' from TD you can't find anywhere, IMHO! > If anyone could point me to a good comprehensive site for online > TD reviews that would be great. Well, since I'm one of the principal people 'pissed off' at Glenn Folkvord, I guess it'd be OK for me to temporarily bury the hatchet and let you know that he runs a very detailed and well-thought-out electronic music review site called Electronic Shadows, and the URL for it is http://www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows . Bear in mind, though, that Electronic Shadows' reviewers sometimes have very different outlooks on things, so using their reviews as a guide to the best and worst of modern TD is not always the best idea. ;) No offense, Glenn.... Another site to try is Synth Music Direct ( http://www.synthmusicdirect.com ), but they seem fixated on 70's/80's TD clones, so their TD reviews aren't always very useful either (since modern TD is pretty different from the older material). Hope that helps, Jared From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sun Jan 14, 2001 12:16 am Subject: 'Live' recordings I have been following the recent i-Box 'live' arguments with interest and can report that such recordings are by no means always as one might imagine them to be. In the late 1970s, Leonard Bernstein took the New York Philharmonic on tour which included Japan, and Columbia (now Sony) made a so-called 'live' recording of the Shostakovich fifth symphony in Tokyo (1979) while on that tour. I have that (analogue) recording, and one can clearly hear changes in tape hiss in the opening and slow movements of the symphony, suggesting the editing out of moments where the producer felt that the playing was perhaps less than ideal, or audience participation was excessive, and the subsequent incorporation of the same music from (presumably) rehearsals for the concert. One can't help wondering whether TD has adopted a similar approach to its live recordings in the past -- and I'm thinking of the original 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' etc in saying that, let alone the i-Box tracks. For my part, however, suspecting that such tinkering might have happened doesn't in any way detract from my enjoyment of the music, or one's impressions of the band's performances of it -- and THAT, at the end of the day, is what counts most for me! Indeed, I have found that wrong notes, poor playing or other mistakes in recorded performances can become increasingly annoying with repeated hearings, and I cannot believe that TD concerts are error-free anyway. Food for thought? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25667 Re: 'Live' recordings Patrik . Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB 25671 Re: 'Live' recordings Matthew Sawyer Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB 25675 Re: 'Live' recordings David Foster Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB 25676 Re: 'Live' recordings Feldon Feldon Mon 1/15/2001 7 KB 25677 Re 'Live' recordings (ATTN: MARTIN) Robert Grabowsky Mon 1/15/2001 2 KB 25685 Re: 'Live' recordings Hermes Guzman Tue 1/16/2001 11 KB 25690 Re: 'Live' recordings Steve Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB 25681 Re: 'Live' recordings John Marchington Tue 1/16/2001 10 KB 25682 Re: 'Live' recordings Patrik . Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 5:36 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Jared, >Well, since I'm one of the principal people 'pissed off' at Glenn Folkvord, >I guess it'd be OK for me to temporarily bury the hatchet and let you know >that he runs a very detailed and well-thought-out electronic music review >site called Electronic Shadows, and the URL for it is >http://www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows . Bear in mind, though, that >Electronic Shadows' reviewers sometimes have very different outlooks on >things, so using their reviews as a guide to the best and worst of modern TD >is not always the best idea. ;) No offense, Glenn.... None taken :-) There are two of us that reviews on that site; Loren is usually more positive towards TD than me..... Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows (oops, there it is) www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: 'Patrik .' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 11:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Yes, maybe we should refer to them as 'live' recordings. Were Poland polished? *s* Were Logos also 'enhanced'? Personally, I prefer live recordings with all the flaws and wrong notes, but since we´re in the era of the Steinbergs, I guess all wrong notes have eliminated themselves, so to speak. Live Miles - is just not live at all, as I understand...? If it´s live then it should be live! imho Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 9:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I Box / Live > > As for pondering whether they are studio creations or not... Who is to say > > exactly what constitutes 'live'? Does it have to be a major concert in > > front of a large audience? If you visited TD's studio while they were > > recording a tune, and played it right in front of you, and made a tape just > > for you, is that 'live'? > > Now you're sounding like a lawyer, Mr. Jean. Should we start calling Mars > Polaris, Stratofear and Le Parc 'live' albums? whoops, wait a second... i'd have to say that michael's got a point... let's assume that an e-music band, say with three members, works on a piece, rehearses it a few times, gets some ideas of melody and chord structure, then goes into the studio and lays down the track straight in one take, only the three different keyboards and say, a drum machine for support... to my way of thinking, this is live... even if the wrong note here and there is edited out... as long as no more tracks are laid down, and mastering is minimal... someone said 'live' used to mean in front of an audience, but i would say, from experience, that if you are playing something without the safety net of stopping and editing, esp. if what you are playing contains new material, the people playing it are as much an audience, and in fact, can often enjoy it more than an audience member... merriam-webster defines live (in this case, the adverbial form) as: at the actual time of occurrence... so we can get hung up on semantics or we can look at the different perspectives: most bands take the opportunity when performing in concert to be creative with their music, usually with new intros or outros, or a new bridge or most often, with the solos... if a band decides to perform songs that completely reproduce what is on the album, then you end up with the perspective that someone mentioned earlier: you are basically paying money to hear the CD on a bigger stereo system with lots of other people... the band, IMO, loses the chance to play around with some of their music... the feeling i get from most of the comlaints about the music being live is that it's not different from what is on the album... that somehow, by being played in front of an audience, it should have something else that the album version doesn't... and that is totally an artistic choice... flame on, boys... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 10:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: live albums If you look at the PF web site it tells you exactly what was used. On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, you wrote: > << was about to comment on the album Pulse, but I > > can't remember if PF merged the tracks together > that were from different shows to make them seem > like they were from the same show - or not. Not > quite as egregious as a studio with crowd > overdubs, of course, but it came to mind. I'm > thinking back to live albums from the past: did > my Kiss Alive album say the songs were from > different venues or not? etc.>> > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 8:36 am Subject: Ossiach live 3 LP at eBAY Hello hunters and collectors, my copy of 'OSSIACH LIVE' (3 lp set) is now waiting for your bids at eBAY (in Mint- condition!) The URL is: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1404304023 This auction has a reserve price. Heiko From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 8:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings From: John Marchington > I cannot believe that TD concerts are error-free anyway. They certainly aren't. Comparing Pergamon and the bootleg version of the concert, I much prefer the official release. In the bootleg, the piano section at the beginning sounds 'cheesier' for some reason, and there are sections where wrong notes are played and the music threatens to fall apart a little. On the subject of doctoring the music, yes, TD have always altered live recording for release. I think the difference is that today, Edgar is trying to 'clean up' old performances by placing 'newer' music onto it. Soundmill, for example. The original concert and the new material added to it are 25 years apart. They don't sit together well. Maff ________________________________________ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 2:44 pm Subject: What ever happen to... Does anybody have an e-mail address for Lars Jones? Just wondering whatever happened to him. Please e-mail me offlist if you have an e- mail and don't think he would mind you giving it out. Thanks and much appreciated! From: Tom Richmond Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 3:49 pm Subject: first reminder - Dreamwatcher's Tales CDR tree Hello dreamers: This is the first reminder for participation in the 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' CDR tree. I have 23 sign-ups so far, and it seems that everyone in Europe wants to be a branch. Are there any leaves out there? Sign-ups will be open for a couple weeks, but I thought I'd post a reminder to make sure everyone was aware as soon as possible. So here's the scoop again... 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If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful.. From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 6:35 pm Subject: Re: i-box I own a very very nice re-release of John Coltrane's 'Blue Train' (yes, I love jazz) which is an 'enhanced' CD: stick it into your PC and you have BIG beautiful high rez pictures even better than those on LP sleeves and even MOVIES! Now that would be something nice to do for TD..... armin > > > Sure makes me wish the industry had selected the 12' laserdisk > > as the format for the CD, so that we could still have decent > > LP-size covers, booklets, pictures etc... > > > > That would make for one heck of a big hole in the dash of my car! > Just imagine what a 5 disc changer would look like. It would be as > big as a bed! Or imagine a room-sized Sony 400 disc changer > that weighs 3000 lbs when fully loaded...... Nahhhh I think I will > just hold the CD booklet a little closer to my eyes when I look at > it. But I suppose using that same logic sitting 2 feet away from > my 27' TV would be the same as owning a big-screen. ;-) From: 'David Foster' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Patrik says > Personally, I prefer live recordings with all the flaws and wrong notes, but > since we´re in the era of the Steinbergs, I guess all wrong notes have > eliminated themselves, so to speak. I agree with most of what you say but there are some times when the bum notes just spoil it. I am referring in particular to the Fassbender memorial concert. > Live Miles - is just not live at all, as I understand...? Whether it is live or not I think its a great recording. I was surprised it came out near to Tyger and sounded similar. But I will play Livemiles any time over Tyger. David From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 6:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings >From: 'John Marchington' > >I have been following the recent i-Box 'live' arguments with interest and >can report that such recordings are by no means always as one might imagine >them to be. > >In the late 1970s, Leonard Bernstein took the New York Philharmonic on tour >which included Japan, and Columbia (now Sony) made a so-called 'live' >recording ... [where] one can clearly hear changes in tape hiss in the >opening and slow movements of the symphony, suggesting the editing out of >moments where the producer felt that the playing was perhaps less than >ideal >One can't help wondering whether TD has adopted a similar approach to its >live recordings in the past -- and I'm thinking of the original 'Ricochet', >'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' etc in saying that, >let alone the i-Box tracks. > >For my part, however, suspecting that such tinkering might have happened >doesn't in any way detract from my enjoyment of the music, or one's >impressions of the band's performances of it -- and THAT, at the end of the >day, is what counts most for me! Indeed, I have found that wrong notes, >poor playing or other mistakes in recorded performances can become >increasingly annoying with repeated hearings, and I cannot believe that TD >concerts are error-free anyway. UUUUUUURRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! I keep seeing this argument. John, you will find very few complaints from this list if Edgar took concert tapes from the past, maybe found the best playings of different songs, edited them together, and labeled them PROPERLY as maybe a 2 disc 'the 1981 Concert Series' for example. This is WITHOUT adding any 1990s/2000s pink poodle revisionist fluffery. People are not upset because Edgar is editing vintage concerts together. We'd probably be mildly overjoyed if he granted us at least this (and labeled it as such). Instead, he is dusting and fraudulently labeling live concerts which are in fact 50% or less impressions of the actual concert. As you mention, 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' are not vanilla recordings of each concert. Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces from at least a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a single recording of a concert for which no tape exists). Encore has 3 tracks taken from the 1977 tour, and then 1 track that is mostly from the tour, but has studio dustings THAT ARE VINTAGE-ACCURATE (same equipment). Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert except it skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage (~24 minutes of unreleased material which appeared in The Keep and other soundtracks), and nicely improvised Choronzon, Tangent, and Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of the guitar work near the end of the concert has been dialed down, and the White Eagle and Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that occured at the Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the concert fit on four 22 minute sides (vinyl!). Pergamon has been well documented on this list. Some is pretty close to what was played, some is purely studio work, and of course we'll never have the afternoon show on CD. :( And not one minute of Livemiles was played live, as is, in 1986/87. You're not getting serious complaints over Ricochet, Encore, Logos, and Poland on this list, at least not from me. Sure it would be nice if Edgar would release the rest of the pieces from these concerts, especially the ~12 hours of unreleased 1977 material which SHOULD have no copyright issues unless Virgin has an unprecedented 'live performances' ownership clause in the contract. The complaint you are hearing on this list is that Edgar's definition of a 'live' release now, in the example of the Perth 1982 'concert' as appeared on i-Box, is to: 1) Perform a 17 minute solo in the studio. 2) Bridge this into an exact copy of Mojave Plan from the White Eagle master tapes 3) Awkwardly bridge this into an exact copy of Convention of the 24 from the White Eagle master tapes. 4) Tack on a Pinnacles solo recorded in the studio. Here's another example--Sohoman is supposed to be a Melbourne, Australia 1982 concert (which, thankfully, exists as Outback Voices in the bootleg world). It contains: 1) About 5-10 minutes of solo work recorded in the studio. 2) The first ~35 minutes of the concert turned down to about 60% volume and then 1999 keyboards played on top at full volume, counter to the spirit of the original music. 3) Completely removed the guitar solo from Bondy Parade (a 12 minute track) and then shortened the track to 8 minutes (without the guitar, it's a boring track so I don't blame him for reactively taking the 2nd step). 4) Added 5 minutes of solo, recorded in the studio. Do you think either of these accurately represent what was played in 1982? Your Leonard Bernstein 70's series may not appease the fans hoping for a single recording of a favorite show they attended, but it damn well represents REAL Leonard Bernstein music from the 1970's. Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25677 Re 'Live' recordings (ATTN: MARTIN) Robert Grabowsky Mon 1/15/2001 2 KB 25685 Re: 'Live' recordings Hermes Guzman Tue 1/16/2001 11 KB 25690 Re: 'Live' recordings Steve Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 8:54 pm Subject: Re 'Live' recordings (ATTN: MARTIN) Attention Martin of the Tangerine Dream homepage: Can you get any comments from Edgar on all of the comments that have been made about these recordings? Maybe as to why he does this. Does it involve copyright problems? I think it is about time we hear it from the source as I am getting tired of hearing people complaining. Enough is Enough, THE HIGHLANDER aka Robert Grabowsky From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 9:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i-box Armin, I delved into my first Froese solo, 'Pinnacles and enjoyed it. In particular the first track, which I thought was excellent. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:35 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: i-box > > I own a very very nice re-release of John Coltrane's 'Blue Train' > (yes, I love jazz) which is an 'enhanced' CD: stick it into your > PC and you have BIG beautiful high rez pictures even better than > those on LP sleeves and even MOVIES! > > Now that would be something nice to do for TD..... > > armin > > > > > > Sure makes me wish the industry had selected the 12' laserdisk > > > as the format for the CD, so that we could still have decent > > > LP-size covers, booklets, pictures etc... > > > > > > > That would make for one heck of a big hole in the dash of my car! > > Just imagine what a 5 disc changer would look like. It would be as > > big as a bed! Or imagine a room-sized Sony 400 disc changer > > that weighs 3000 lbs when fully loaded...... Nahhhh I think I will > > just hold the CD booklet a little closer to my eyes when I look at > > it. But I suppose using that same logic sitting 2 feet away from > > my 27' TV would be the same as owning a big-screen. ;-) > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 12:10 am Subject: about Goblins' Club Re: [tadream] Digest Number 764 >A few more albums I'd heartily >recommend are Turn of the Tides (1994), Goblin's Club (1996), and Mars >Polaris (1999). If you would like to hear a more laid-back, contemplative, >and classical-like side of modern TD, try Seven Letters from Tibet (2000). I wouldn't be sure about Goblins' Club. It has its moments, like the first track and the one called Rising Haul in Silence, but I find most of the music there quite forgettable. I rarely play this album, and when I do, I never play the whole CD. I get bored before. Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 11:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Welcome back Jared. It appears that I have picked up the torch where you left it on our other list. Don't mind the scars around my wrists, ankles, back and chest. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jared White' To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Newbie wantthat would be something nice to do for TD..... > > armin > > > > > > Sure makes me wish the industry had selected the 12' laserdisk > > > as the format for the CD, so that we could still have decent > > > LP-size covers, booklets, pictures etc... > > > > > > > That would make for one heck of a big hole in the dash of my car! > > Just imagine what a 5 disc changer would look like. It would be as > > big as a bed! Or imagine a room-sized Sony 400 disc changer > > that weighs 3000 lbs when fully loaded...... Nahhhh I think I will > > just hold the CD booklet a little closer to my eyes when I look at > > it. But I suppose using that same logic sitting 2 feet away from > > my 27' TV would be the same as owning a big-screen. ;-) > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 12:10 am Subject: about Goblins' Club Re: [tadream] Digest Number 764 >A few more albums I'd heartily >recommend are Turn of the Tides (1994), Goblin's Club (1996), and Mars >Polaris (1999). If you would like to hear a more laid-back, contemplative, >and classical-like side of modern TD, try Seven Letters from Tibet (2000). I wouldn't be sure about Goblins' Club. It has its moments, like the first track and the one called Rising Haul in Silence, but I find most of the music there quite forgettable. I rarely play this album, and when I do, I never play the whole CD. I get bored before. Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 11:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Welcome back Jared. It appears that I have picked up the torch where you left it on our other list. Don't mind the scars around my wrists, ankles, back and chest. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jared White' To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews > Hi, Borris, > > Welcome to the wild and woolly world of TD fans! > > > > Now after some years I'm rediscovering this band trying to > > decide what to buy etc, so if you can give me some overview that > > would be much appreciated. I have recently got Hyperborea, > > Oasis (Soundtrack), Tyger (which I just had to get as I also > > greatly admire William Blake, although I find the pronunciation of > > the River Thames very funny) & Atem. In a shop handy to me > > there are copies of Optical Race, Le Parc, The Hollywood Years, > > Underwater Sunlight, Green Desert, Alpha Centauri, The Dream > > Mixes I & Electronic Meditations. What would people > > recommend, I would like representative works from all the > > different periods of the Dream. > > Optical Race, Le Parc, and Dream Mixes I are very good landmark albums to > buy if you're still getting a feel for TD's various styles. Optical Race was > the first album TD made after Chris Franke left, and it was the beginning of > a new epoch in TD history. Le Parc was made several years before and was the > last album to feature the talents of Johannes Schmoelling. Dream Mixes I > came out in 1995 featuring Jerome Froese's new dance sensibilities that took > TD's then-current output to a new level. A few more albums I'd heartily > recommend are Turn of the Tides (1994), Goblin's Club (1996), and Mars > Polaris (1999). If you would like to hear a more laid-back, contemplative, > and classical-like side of modern TD, try Seven Letters from Tibet (2000). > > Whatever you do, stay away from Hollywood Years! A worst collection of > 'music' from TD you can't find anywhere, IMHO! > > > If anyone could point me to a good comprehensive site for online > > TD reviews that would be great. > > Well, since I'm one of the principal people 'pissed off' at Glenn Folkvord, > I guess it'd be OK for me to temporarily bury the hatchet and let you know > that he runs a very detailed and well-thought-out electronic music review > site called Electronic Shadows, and the URL for it is > http://www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows . Bear in mind, though, that > Electronic Shadows' reviewers sometimes have very different outlooks on > things, so using their reviews as a guide to the best and worst of modern TD > is not always the best idea. ;) No offense, Glenn.... > > Another site to try is Synth Music Direct > ( http://www.synthmusicdirect.com ), but they seem fixated on 70's/80's TD > clones, so their TD reviews aren't always very useful either (since modern > TD is pretty different from the older material). > > Hope that helps, > > Jared > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 5:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Thanks for your comments, Feldon. I've never complained -- at least musically -- about any of the so-called live recordings discussed by you below and I enjoy them all in varying degrees. I do have quite serious reservations about the recording of 'Encore', however, which I have never thought was particularly well managed, with numerous changes to sound levels in places. The remastered version is particularly bad in that regard. Maybe rehearsals were dubbed in and level matching wasn't carried out as accurately as it should have been. I suspect that live recordings will always polarise members of this list. There have already been some who have stated that they wouldn't mind the wrong notes, late entries etc they remember hearing, probably because those mistakes conjure up memories of a generally happy occasion for them and they would be hearing part of a concert they attended -- unadulterated. Others, like me, feel quite differently. (Sadly, as I've mentioned before, I've never heard the band live). I recall hearing a broadcast many years ago of a concert given in the Royal Festival Hall. The Philharmonia Orchestra was conducted by Sir Adrian Boult and the work was the Vaughan Williams 6th symphony. The playing, from one of London's top orchestras under a conductor who knew the work like the back of his hand, was dreadful. There were horn and trumpet fluffs galore, ragged string playing -- you name it. Sir Adrian was very old by this time and one must assume that he no longer had the ability to maintain discipline within the ranks. Those present at the concert must have been cringing. Had that broadcast been issued as a recording, I'm positive nobody would ever have bought it, or those who had without hearing it first would probably have returned it to the shop after the first or second playing. While we undoubtedly all have different levels of tolerance, there are surely limits to it! One thing buying the i-Box set is doing for me is making me appreciate TD's more recent work, which I've never really cared for till now. I immediately went and got out 'Melrose' and played it right through -- and thoroughly enjoyed it for the first time. I must try 'Lily on the Beach', 'Tyranny of Beauty' and 'Goblin's Club' again. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings > >From: 'John Marchington' > > > >I have been following the recent i-Box 'live' arguments with interest and > >can report that such recordings are by no means always as one might imagine > >them to be. > > > >In the late 1970s, Leonard Bernstein took the New York Philharmonic on tour > >which included Japan, and Columbia (now Sony) made a so-called 'live' > >recording ... [where] one can clearly hear changes in tape hiss in the > >opening and slow movements of the symphony, suggesting the editing out of > >moments where the producer felt that the playing was perhaps less than > >ideal > > >One can't help wondering whether TD has adopted a similar approach to its > >live recordings in the past -- and I'm thinking of the original 'Ricochet', > >'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' etc in saying that, > >let alone the i-Box tracks. > > > >For my part, however, suspecting that such tinkering might have happened > >doesn't in any way detract from my enjoyment of the music, or one's > >impressions of the band's performances of it -- and THAT, at the end of the > >day, is what counts most for me! Indeed, I have found that wrong notes, > >poor playing or other mistakes in recorded performances can become > >increasingly annoying with repeated hearings, and I cannot believe that TD > >concerts are error-free anyway. > > UUUUUUURRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! > > I keep seeing this argument. > > John, you will find very few complaints from this list if Edgar took concert > tapes from the past, maybe found the best playings of different songs, > edited them together, and labeled them PROPERLY as maybe a 2 disc 'the 1981 > Concert Series' for example. This is WITHOUT adding any 1990s/2000s pink > poodle revisionist fluffery. > > People are not upset because Edgar is editing vintage concerts together. > We'd probably be mildly overjoyed if he granted us at least this (and > labeled it as such). > > Instead, he is dusting and fraudulently labeling live concerts which are in > fact 50% or less impressions of the actual concert. > > As you mention, 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', 'Pergamon', > 'LiveMiles' are not vanilla recordings of each concert. > > Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces from at least > a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a single recording of a concert > for which no tape exists). > > Encore has 3 tracks taken from the 1977 tour, and then 1 track that is > mostly from the tour, but has studio dustings THAT ARE VINTAGE-ACCURATE > (same equipment). > > Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert except it > skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage (~24 minutes of unreleased > material which appeared in The Keep and other soundtracks), and nicely > improvised Choronzon, Tangent, and Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of > the guitar work near the end of the concert has been dialed down, and the > White Eagle and Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. > > Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that occured at the > Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the concert fit on four 22 minute > sides (vinyl!). > > Pergamon has been well documented on this list. Some is pretty close to what > was played, some is purely studio work, and of course we'll never have the > afternoon show on CD. :( > > And not one minute of Livemiles was played live, as is, in 1986/87. > > > You're not getting serious complaints over Ricochet, Encore, Logos, and > Poland on this list, at least not from me. Sure it would be nice if Edgar > would release the rest of the pieces from these concerts, especially the ~12 > hours of unreleased 1977 material which SHOULD have no copyright issues > unless Virgin has an unprecedented 'live performances' ownership clause in > the contract. > > The complaint you are hearing on this list is that Edgar's definition of a > 'live' release now, in the example of the Perth 1982 'concert' as appeared > on i-Box, is to: > > 1) Perform a 17 minute solo in the studio. > 2) Bridge this into an exact copy of Mojave Plan from the White Eagle master > tapes > 3) Awkwardly bridge this into an exact copy of Convention of the 24 from the > White Eagle master tapes. > 4) Tack on a Pinnacles solo recorded in the studio. > > > Here's another example--Sohoman is supposed to be a Melbourne, Australia > 1982 concert (which, thankfully, exists as Outback Voices in the bootleg > world). It contains: > > 1) About 5-10 minutes of solo work recorded in the studio. > 2) The first ~35 minutes of the concert turned down to about 60% volume and > then 1999 keyboards played on top at full volume, counter to the spirit of > the original music. > 3) Completely removed the guitar solo from Bondy Parade (a 12 minute track) > and then shortened the track to 8 minutes (without the guitar, it's a boring > track so I don't blame him for reactively taking the 2nd step). > 4) Added 5 minutes of solo, recorded in the studio. > > > Do you think either of these accurately represent what was played in 1982? > > Your Leonard Bernstein 70's series may not appease the fans hoping for a > single recording of a favorite show they attended, but it damn well > represents REAL Leonard Bernstein music from the 1970's. > > > Morgan > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Patrik .' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 10:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings David wrote: >I agree with most of what you say but there are some times when the bum >notes just spoil it. I am referring in particular to the Fassbender >memorial concert. > > Live Miles - is just not live at all, as I understand...? >Whether it is live or not I think its a great recording. I was surprised it came out near to Tyger and sounded similar. But I will play Livemiles any time over Tyger. ------------------------- I haven´t played Fassbinder Memorial since 1989 when I got my first CD, mine is 12' vinyl, what are we talking about here? Notes out of key, or? Regarding Livemiles; of course it´s a great recording, it´s a studio product! :-))) Regards Patrik _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: '3N' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 9:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Hello! (and sorry for my opinion of this discussion ;)) ) But now nobody not convince me that TD has record any his 'live' records on real live performance. I'm listening to official TD's records very precisely and very close to bootlegs recording. I'm playing keybords, synthesators, guitars, percussion too and I known in technical details how to create music like this . Realy! When I was in 97 on goblin's concert I was very dissatisfied. Because, without Hahveld's percussion and Perica's guitar, all material (oups, sorry - only 99% of material ;))) ) has played from VST. Old Froese sometimes played only acords and make sound effects. It's for me very disgusting. ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon To: Cc: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings > Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces from at least > a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a single recording of a concert > for which no tape exists). Wrong. Richochet ONLY bases on ideas from british tour in autumn 75, but all material for this recor TD has rerecording in studio! > > Encore has 3 tracks taken from the 1977 tour, and then 1 track that is > mostly from the tour, but has studio dustings THAT ARE VINTAGE-ACCURATE > (same equipment). Wrong. Encore has ONE track taken from UStour - this is Monolight from Washington performance (from WGTB radio tapes and without any overdubs in sounds). Cherooke bases on many ideas from concerts again, but it is rerecord in studio ;))). CWC and DD never were played on live performace! > > Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert except it > skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage (~24 minutes of unreleased > material which appeared in The Keep and other soundtracks), and nicely > improvised Choronzon, Tangent, and Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of > the guitar work near the end of the concert has been dialed down, and the > White Eagle and Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. > > Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that occured at the > Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the concert fit on four 22 minute > sides (vinyl!). Sorry... But Poland was record in Amber studio. From polish concert on this albus is only Kordowicz's announcment. In Poland TD has played Poland's material complete differently. I know, because I was on these concerts in december 83 and I have them on my tapes (and of course on CDR ;)) ). In interview published in december 84 in polish NonStop Froese has confess that Franke and Schmoelling corrected in studio majority of parts. > > Pergamon has been well documented on this list. Some is pretty close to what > was played, some is purely studio work, and of course we'll never have the > afternoon show on CD. :( Why?? I have it on CD. > > And not one minute of Livemiles was played live, as is, in 1986/87. You're right! [CUT] > The complaint you are hearing on this list is that Edgar's definition of a > 'live' release now, in the example of the Perth 1982 'concert' as appeared > on i-Box, is to: > > 1) Perform a 17 minute solo in the studio. > 2) Bridge this into an exact copy of Mojave Plan from the White Eagle master > tapes No! MojavePlan (and most tracks on 5th CD) is not from master studio tape! It's from tape, that was prepared for Australian tour in 82. This tape was played as BAGROUND of live performace (not live sequencers!). This technology TD was make from autumn 80. Tracks from 5th CD of i-box was produced for American tour in 88. Do you realy don't hear any differences from origanal albums??? Und so waiter ;))) regards JerzyK PS. I'm fan from Poland. I am fan, big fan since 78, when I heard for first time Cyclone, Encore, Stratosfear and Ricochet. This music always was and is for me lovely and timeless. And I like Rubycon, Phaedra, Atem, Zeit, AlphaCentauri, ForceMajeure, Tangram too. But I hate TD's music from 90th years, but I have it ;))). From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 5:30 pm Subject: 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. I'm a bit bummed with 'i-box' after having listen to it several times through. Oh well. I'll set it aside and pick it up later, perhaps finding a gem or two at that future time. Such is often the case: So I popped in the 'Dream Roots' collection for a listen. I'd not played this set for some time. CD 1, 2, 3, 4, 5... Wow! I was reintroduced to 'Valley of the Sun' again. Very 'Franke.' Great track. Also enjoyed 'Vanishing Blue.' So here is my question: After (admittedly limited) research of net-based discographies, I could not find other variations of either of these tracks on other CDs. Do they exist? (For example, I've heard more than one version of 'Silver Scale,' another of my favorites.) 'Tangentized' or otherwise, I'd love to explore them if they do in fact exist. On a side note: 1. Has the recent radio interview been fully (and cleanly) translated from German and posted to a web page? 2. Always hoping that TD will tour again. One would think that Los Angeles would offer sufficient 'critical mass.' Quite a variety of venues, of various sizes. From the 'Pink Floyd'-sized Rose Bowl (gak, there were a lot of bodies there!!), to more intimate houses (down to 'The Whiskey' and other clubs). The LA basin itself has about 12 million people, but a concert there draws from potential audiences in most western states, maybe 50 million souls or so? Gotta be some fans in that pile. I always enjoy this LIST, mostly in Lurker Mode. James Horecka, AIA, Architect jhorecka@p... http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25687 Re: 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. Sean Montgomery Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB 25728 Re: 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. Gabe Yedid Thu 1/18/2001 3 KB 25731 Re: 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. Sean Montgomery Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 6:40 pm Subject: Re: 'Live' recordings > In tadream@egroups.com, 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > >From: 'John Marchington' > > > >I have been following the recent i-Box 'live' arguments with > >interest and can report that such recordings are by no means > >always as one might imagine them to be. > > > >In the late 1970s, Leonard Bernstein took the New York > >Philharmonic on tour which included Japan, and Columbia > >(now Sony) made a so-called 'live' recording ... [where] one > >can clearly hear changes in tape hiss in the opening and > >slow movements of the symphony, suggesting the editing out > >of moments where the producer felt that the playing was > >perhaps less than ideal > > > >One can't help wondering whether TD has adopted a similar > >approach to its live recordings in the past -- and I'm > >thinking of the original 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', > >'Poland', 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' etc in saying that, > >let alone the i-Box tracks. > > > >For my part, however, suspecting that such tinkering > >might have happened doesn't in any way detract from my > >enjoyment of the music, or one's impressions of the > >band's performances of it -- and THAT, at the end of the > >day, is what counts most for me! Indeed, I have found that > >wrong notes, poor playing or other mistakes in recorded > >performances can become increasingly annoying with repeated > >hearings, and I cannot believe that TD concerts are > >error-free anyway. > > UUUUUUURRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! > > I keep seeing this argument. Perhaps that is because there are people in the world who are just as intelligent as you are, but who think differently. > John, you will find very few complaints from this list if Edgar > took concert tapes from the past, maybe found the best playings > of different songs, edited them together, and labeled them PROPERLY > as maybe a 2 disc 'the 1981 Concert Series' for example. This is > WITHOUT adding any 1990s/2000s pink poodle revisionist fluffery. Yep. It'd be great if we'd get 'virgin' intended) concert releases from the golden era. Maybe it'll happen one day. Not everyone on this list, however, excoriates the modern additions to the shows that have been released-no matter how much some rant about it. > People are not upset because Edgar is editing vintage concerts > together. We'd probably be mildly overjoyed if he granted us at > least this (and labeled it as such). > > Instead, he is dusting and fraudulently labeling live concerts > which are in fact 50% or less impressions of the actual concert. 'Fraudulently?' Since these releases all contain material that was *ACTUALLY PERFORMED LIVE* (Perth notwithstanding) where exactly is the fraud? If the criteria is overdubs and studio additions to a live concert constitute fraud, then there are almost *NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. Better expand that petition drive.... A dangerous word there, 'impressions'. That word implies subjectivity and works both for the listener *and* the creator. Perhaps these releases are intended as *his* impressions of what *he* was feeling/thinking at the time. Of course, this does not explain _The Perth Tapes_...or does it? However, I do concede the point that some of us (myself included to a degree) wish for undoctored shows and are in that respect justifiably upset about what has been released. But it is a vain and fruitless anger bordering on hypocrasy if when you purchase it you *know* that they are not the actual shows. For those who stand by their convictions and refrain from purchasing these items; points for logical consistency. But then your complaints become those of the 'Coulda, shoulda, woulda' whine variety that *all* fans engage in from time to time to no real result. > As you mention, 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', > 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' are not vanilla recordings of each concert. > > Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces from > at least a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a single > recording of a concert for which no tape exists). Ricochet_ *was* presented (and advertised) as a live album! It was edited from basically 3 shows with additional studio overdubs (notably the drums and the piano intro to pt.2), and is a great *impression* of the late `74/early `75 shows. > Encore has 3 tracks taken from the 1977 tour, and then 1 track that > is mostly from the tour, but has studio dustings THAT ARE > VINTAGE-ACCURATE (same equipment). Ummmm...more than studio dustings, I'm afraid. 'Desert Dream' is basically a studio creation. It's based on various studio sessions (including the _Oedips Tyrannus_ material) the band had lying around. All of the remaining tracks have studio work on them as well, though they are faithful *impressions* of actual tracks performed live. > Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert > except it skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage > (~24 minutes of unreleased material which appeared in The Keep and > other soundtracks), and nicely improvised Choronzon, Tangent, and > Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of the guitar work near the end > of the concert has been dialed down, and the White Eagle and > Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. _Logos_ is the second set of the Dominion show with the first set opening theme grafted on in place of the 'Mojave Plan' excerpt. There was *NO* guitar performed at any of the `82 UK Winter shows! > Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that > occured at the Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the concert > fit on four 22 minute sides (vinyl!). _Poland_ was basically re-performed in the studio due to the aforementioned problems. I've always felt that the side edit between 'Poland' and 'Tangent' should've been corrected for the CD release, as it was for _Logos_. > Pergamon has been well documented on this list. Some is pretty > close to what was played, some is purely studio work, and of > course we'll never have the afternoon show on CD. :( Pt. 1-Fairly faithful to the first half of the second set, with edits, studio dustings and punch-ins. Pt. 2-Studio creation loosely based on some of the ideas in the second halves of both sets. And I'm with the growing consensus of old fart collectors who believe there was no afternoon show. Mislabled tapes are the most likely culprit here (as usual.) > And not one minute of Livemiles was played live, as is, in 1986/87. Don't get me started on this again (although 'Caspian Sea' and 'Velvet Autumn/Sunnyvale' are fairly accurate *impressions* of two themes from the Berlin show.) > You're not getting serious complaints over Ricochet, Encore, Logos, > and Poland on this list, at least not from me. Sure it would be > nice if Edgar would release the rest of the pieces from these > concerts, especially the ~12 hours of unreleased 1977 material > which SHOULD have no copyright issues unless Virgin has an > unprecedented 'live performances' ownership clause in the contract. They call them *Bootlegs* precisely because the record company owns the rights to the live performances by bands under contract, including material performed that has not been released. > The complaint you are hearing on this list is that Edgar's > definition of a 'live' release now, in the example of the Perth > 1982 'concert' as appeared on i-Box, is to: > > 1) Perform a 17 minute solo in the studio. > 2) Bridge this into an exact copy of Mojave Plan from the White > Eagle master tapes > 3) Awkwardly bridge this into an exact copy of Convention of the 24 > from the White Eagle master tapes. > 4) Tack on a Pinnacles solo recorded in the studio. Did some of you actually listen to this disc? The correct order (and source!) of the tracks is as follows: 1) 'Snake Bath' source (twice as long and different from _Kamikaze 89_) 2) 'Cryo Lab' bridge from the Freidenskonziert with 'Specific Gravity of Smile' 3) 'Convention of the 24' obscured by overdubs (now *there's* a title...:)) 4) 'Mojave Plan' studio version with poorly edited intro If you're going to offer a critique, then please at least get the details right first. It helps to present a stronger argument that way. > Here's another example--Sohoman is supposed to be a Melbourne, > Australia 1982 concert (which, thankfully, exists as Outback Voices > in the bootleg world). It contains: > > 1) About 5-10 minutes of solo work recorded in the studio. > 2) The first ~35 minutes of the concert turned down to about 60% > volume and then 1999 keyboards played on top at full volume, > counter to the spirit of the original music. > 3) Completely removed the guitar solo from Bondy Parade (a 12 > minute track) and then shortened the track to 8 minutes (without > the guitar, it's a boring track so I don't blame him for reactively > taking the 2nd step). > 4) Added 5 minutes of solo, recorded in the studio. *sigh* Again from the top: 1) *NO* new material intro; it starts as the concert did with just a *slight* change in the opening chord 2) The enitre concert (see below for exception) as performed with some of the overdubs forward prescence due to the difference in timbre, *not* 'turned down to 60% volume'. 2) 'Bondi Parade' has the guitar solo removed and the last 3+ mins. changed to a modern ending. > Do you think either of these accurately represent what was played > in 1982? If by accuracy you mean 'as performed'-then obviously not. But by the *impression* standard you opened your polemic with-then _Sohoman_-yes; Perth-no (with a small caveat.) I'm surprised you left out _Soundmill Navigator_, though. But you already know what my *impression* of that one is, don't you? goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25690 Re: 'Live' recordings Steve Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Piotr Sulkowki II' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: Odp: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Jerzy'K cos Ty i tutaj :) Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium > Hello! > (and sorry for my opinion of this discussion ;)) ) > > But now nobody not convince me that TD has record any his 'live' records on > real live performance. I'm listening to official TD's records very precisely > and very close to bootlegs recording. I'm playing keybords, synthesators, > guitars, percussion too and I known in technical details how to create music > like this . Realy! When I was in 97 on goblin's concert I was very > dissatisfied. Because, without Hahveld's percussion and Perica's guitar, all > material (oups, sorry - only 99% of material ;))) ) has played from VST. Old > Froese sometimes played only acords and make sound effects. It's for me very > disgusting. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25697 Re: 'Live' recordings Lord Rayden Wed 1/17/2001 3 KB 25715 Re: 'Live' recordings Bag Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. 'James Horecka, AIA' wrote: > Wow! I was reintroduced to 'Valley of the Sun' again. Very 'Franke.' Great > track. Also enjoyed 'Vanishing Blue.' > > So here is my question: > > After (admittedly limited) research of net-based discographies, I could not > find other variations of either of these tracks on other CDs. Do they exist? Nope. The tracks on disc 5 of Dream Roots are truly unreleased. They were composed during the latter part of 1985, after Johannes left the band but before Paul joined. They had been shelved for over a decade. And yeah, Valley of the Sun is a really good piece, a must for fans of mid-80s TD. Silver Scale was a piece written for TDs 1980-81 live shows. The first three minutes of it appeared on the Wavelength soundtrack, under the title 'Church Theme'. But a complete version of the original piece has yet to be released in official form (The version on Tangents had some overdubbing). Apart from Tangents, it also appeared on the 'Valentine Wheels' live CD, but this version was performed in 1997, and doesn't have the richness and warmth of the original (IMO). TDI could really mend relations with the fans if they'd put out an undoctored 1981 concert on disc. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Patrick wrote > I haven´t played Fassbinder Memorial since 1989 when I got my first CD, mine > is 12' vinyl, what are we talking about here? Notes out of key, or? > > Regarding Livemiles; of course it´s a great recording, it´s a studio > product! :-))) We are talking bum note and off key in a crucial part of the music. Apart from that good David From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 7:26 pm Subject: Shepherd's Bush Empire Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk priced at Ł18.50 hope to see you all there. Cheers Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25692 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Hermes Guzman Tue 1/16/2001 2 KB 25700 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Michael A Jean Wed 1/17/2001 3 KB 25693 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Glynn Naughton Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB 25694 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Glynn Naughton Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB 25708 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB 25710 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB 25721 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB 25696 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire James Williams Wed 1/17/2001 3 KB 25701 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Patrik . Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB From: 'Steve' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 7:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings goozer said: > Ricochet_ *was* presented (and advertised) as a live album! It was > edited from basically 3 shows with additional studio overdubs > (notably the drums and the piano intro to pt.2), and is a great > *impression* of the late `74/early `75 shows. I'm sure that when Ricochet was released it was made known that this wasn't a straight-forward concert album but rather an album edited together from various concerts. Whether this fact was mentioned in advertising, press releases or interviews I don't know/can't remember, but I do remember thinking at the time that it seemed a pretty weird way of releasing a live album. Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk/ http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings >From: 'Hermes Guzman' > > > > Instead, he is dusting and fraudulently labeling live concerts > > which are in fact 50% or less impressions of the actual concert. > >'Fraudulently?' Since these releases all contain material >that was *ACTUALLY PERFORMED LIVE* (Perth notwithstanding) where >exactly is the fraud? If the criteria is overdubs and studio >additions to a live concert constitute fraud, then there are almost >*NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. Better expand that >petition drive.... The word Fraud applies to Sohoman, which is 20% Edgar solo, Soundmill Navigator, which is over 30% Edgar solo, and the aforementioned Perth which is over 35% Edgar solo and the rest studio work. At this rate, the next 'concert album' will be 50% Edgar solo with a track from Destination Berlin mixed in to give it that TD flair. Zoning is also fraudulent, in that it doesn't share a single note in common with the 1987 soundtrack for the film (for which I finally have a CDR). Don't you find the labeling of Sohoman offensive? >But it is a vain and fruitless >anger bordering on hypocrasy if when you purchase it you *know* that >they are not the actual shows. For those who stand by their >convictions and refrain from purchasing these items; points for >logical consistency. But then your complaints become those of the >'Coulda, shoulda, woulda' whine variety that *all* fans >engage in from time to time to no real result. I've chosen not to buy Sohoman, i-Box or Soundmill Navigator, instead listening to a friend's copy of each for evaluation purposes. I listened to Seven Letters in a music store and skipped it. I purchased Antique Dreams after a couple of positive notes on this list and I don't regret it. So Edgar has 1 sale from me in the last 2 years, and that's the album where he narrowly hit the 51% un-f***ed Tangerine Dream vintage recording percentage. > > As you mention, 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', > > 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' are not vanilla recordings of each concert. > > > > Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces from > > at least a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a single > > recording of a concert for which no tape exists). > >Ricochet_ *was* presented (and advertised) as a live album! It was >edited from basically 3 shows with additional studio overdubs >(notably the drums and the piano intro to pt.2), and is a great >*impression* of the late `74/early `75 shows. Ech. I forgot it was labeled and presented as Live. Well, I can blame Edgar for recent transgressions, but I guess we have to put it on all the band members (assuming they got involved) for Logos, Ricochet and Encore. > > Encore has 3 tracks taken from the 1977 tour, and then 1 track that > > is mostly from the tour, but has studio dustings THAT ARE > > VINTAGE-ACCURATE (same equipment). > >Ummmm...more than studio dustings, I'm afraid. 'Desert Dream' is >basically a studio creation. It's based on various studio >sessions (including the _Oedips Tyrannus_ material) the band had >lying around. All of the remaining tracks have studio work on them as >well, though they are faithful *impressions* of actual tracks >performed live. Ok. > > Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert > > except it skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage > > (~24 minutes of unreleased material which appeared in The Keep and > > other soundtracks), and nicely improvised Choronzon, Tangent, and > > Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of the guitar work near the end > > of the concert has been dialed down, and the White Eagle and > > Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. > >_Logos_ is the second set of the Dominion show with the first set >opening theme grafted on in place of the 'Mojave Plan' excerpt. >There was *NO* guitar performed at any of the `82 UK Winter shows! Mmkay. So all the guitar sounds were keyboard? Learn something every day! > > Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that > > occured at the Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the concert > > fit on four 22 minute sides (vinyl!). > >_Poland_ was basically re-performed in the studio due to the >aforementioned problems. I've always felt that the side edit >between 'Poland' and 'Tangent' should've been >corrected for the CD release, as it was for _Logos_. Agreed on the Poland-Tangent bridge. I didn't know it was reperformed. I do know that the Poland track mutated quite a bit through 1983, as featured on a Tokyo 83 tape I have. Poland on there has mushroomed to 28 minutes. Honestly, the Warsaw (studio if you will) version is more polished. The same can be said for anyone who has heard the Logos intro as it was played in late 1981. It was 10 minutes before they whittled it down to the polished 5 1/2 minute version on Logos and any other fall 1982 concert. >And I'm with the growing consensus of old fart collectors who >believe there was no afternoon show. Mislabled tapes are the most >likely culprit here (as usual.) Well Hermes, the part that throws me is the White Cloths tape labeled part III. It has a 10 minute passage completely unlike anything I've ever heard. Any opinions? > > You're not getting serious complaints over Ricochet, Encore, Logos, > > and Poland on this list, at least not from me. Sure it would be > > nice if Edgar would release the rest of the pieces from these > > concerts, especially the ~12 hours of unreleased 1977 material > > which SHOULD have no copyright issues unless Virgin has an > > unprecedented 'live performances' ownership clause in the contract. > >They call them *Bootlegs* precisely because the record company owns >the rights to the live performances by bands under contract, >including material performed that has not been released. So that's why Edgar is producing these fictionalized concert recordings and why we'll never see untouched recordings? > > The complaint you are hearing on this list is that Edgar's > > definition of a 'live' release now, in the example of the Perth > > 1982 'concert' as appeared on i-Box, is to: > > > > 1) Perform a 17 minute solo in the studio. > > 2) Bridge this into an exact copy of Mojave Plan from the White > > Eagle master tapes > > 3) Awkwardly bridge this into an exact copy of Convention of the 24 > > from the White Eagle master tapes. > > 4) Tack on a Pinnacles solo recorded in the studio. > >Did some of you actually listen to this disc? The correct order (and >source!) of the tracks is as follows: >1) 'Snake Bath' source (twice as long and different from >_Kamikaze 89_) >2) 'Cryo Lab' bridge from the Freidenskonziert with >'Specific Gravity of Smile' >3) 'Convention of the 24' obscured by overdubs (now >*there's* a title...:)) >4) 'Mojave Plan' studio version with poorly edited intro > >If you're going to offer a critique, then please at least get the >details right first. It helps to present a stronger argument that way. heh. Well, I fast forwarded through most of it. That's for clearing up. > > Here's another example--Sohoman is supposed to be a Melbourne, > > Australia 1982 concert (which, thankfully, exists as Outback Voices > > in the bootleg world). It contains: > > > > 1) About 5-10 minutes of solo work recorded in the studio. > > 2) The first ~35 minutes of the concert turned down to about 60% > > volume and then 1999 keyboards played on top at full volume, > > counter to the spirit of the original music. > > 3) Completely removed the guitar solo from Bondy Parade (a 12 > > minute track) and then shortened the track to 8 minutes (without > > the guitar, it's a boring track so I don't blame him for reactively > > taking the 2nd step). > > 4) Added 5 minutes of solo, recorded in the studio. > >*sigh* Again from the top: >1) *NO* new material intro; it starts as the concert did with just a >*slight* change in the opening chord >2) The enitre concert (see below for exception) as performed with >some of the overdubs forward prescence due to the difference in >timbre, *not* 'turned down to 60% volume'. >2) 'Bondi Parade' has the guitar solo removed and the last 3+ >mins. changed to a modern ending. -Morgan n.p. Valentine Wheels (the bagpipes part!) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25695 Re: 'Live' recordings Hermes Guzman Wed 1/17/2001 8 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 8:51 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: > Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush > Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk > priced at Ł18.50 hope to see you all there. > Cheers Gary. $@^*%#!!. Now how can I convince my lovely new bride that attending this show would be a perfect birthday gift for me.... goozer (who attended both of the previous SB shows and is seriously jonesing to go back to London!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25700 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Michael A Jean Wed 1/17/2001 3 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 9:38 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: > Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush > Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk > priced at Ł18.50 hope to see you all there. > Cheers Gary. Wa-hay! Well, I just bought my ticket :-) First time I've bought anything on the Web. It's gonna be strange going to a TD show on a light evening. They usually seem to play in the UK in winter. (Of the 6 TD shows I've seen, 4 were in November and 2 in March.) We should arrange another pre-show get-together as per the legendary 1996 Shepherds Bush show. Glynn From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 9:42 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: > Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush > Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk > priced at Ł18.50 hope to see you all there. > Cheers Gary. Wa-hay! Just bought my ticket over the Web. It's gonna be strange going to a TD show on a light spring evening; they usually seem to play here in winter. (Of the 6 TD shows I've seen, 4 were in November and 2 in March.) We should arrange a pre-show get-together as per the legandary 1996 Shepherds Bush show. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25708 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB 25710 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB 25721 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 12:14 am Subject: Re: 'Live' recordings > In tadream@egroups.com, 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > >From: 'Hermes Guzman' > > >From: 'Feldon Feldon' > > > > > Instead, he is dusting and fraudulently labeling live concerts > > > which are in fact 50% or less impressions of the actual concert. > > > >'Fraudulently?' Since these releases all contain material > >that was *ACTUALLY PERFORMED LIVE* (Perth notwithstanding) where > >exactly is the fraud? If the criteria is overdubs and studio > >additions to a live concert constitute fraud, then there are almost > >*NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. Better expand that > >petition drive.... > > The word Fraud applies to Sohoman, which is 20% Edgar solo, > Soundmill Navigator, which is over 30% Edgar solo, and the > aforementioned Perth which is over 35% Edgar solo and the rest > studio work. At this rate, the next 'concert album' will be 50% > Edgar solo with a track from Destination Berlin mixed in to give > it that TD flair. Zoning is also fraudulent, in that it doesn't > share a single note in common with the 1987 soundtrack for the > film (for which I finally have a CDR). > > Don't you find the labeling of Sohoman offensive? So we've gone from a '50% Standard' in your first post to a '20% Standard'? No, I don't feel offended by _Sohoman_. And again you miss the point (fine as it is): with the exception of _Perth_ (which meets your 50% standard...) these CDs have the *original concert* included ('Bondi' edit noted.) The 'Edgar solo' material is in *addition* to this, not in place of it (again, 'Bondi' edit noted.) Yes, I freely admit that to some I may be splitting semantic hairs. But given the *complete* history of live releases by TD, I feel I'm on rather solid ground. As for _Zoning_, you are in error there as well. No, it's *not* the original '87 score. But it *is* the new score commissioned for the re- release on video by the film studio! And since nowhere does it claim to be from '87, the fraud is what exaclty? > >But it is a vain and fruitless anger bordering on hypocrasy if > >when you purchase it you *know* that they are not the actual > >shows. For those who stand by their convictions and refrain from > >purchasing these items; points for logical consistency. But then > >your complaints become those of the 'Coulda, shoulda, woulda' > >whine variety that *all* fans engage in from time to time to no > >real result. > > I've chosen not to buy Sohoman, i-Box or Soundmill Navigator, > instead listening to a friend's copy of each for evaluation > purposes. I listened to Seven Letters in a music store and skipped > it. I purchased Antique Dreams after a couple of positive notes on > this list and I don't regret it. So Edgar has 1 sale from me in the > last 2 years, and that's the album where he narrowly hit the 51% > un-f***ed Tangerine Dream vintage recording percentage. Now we're back to the '50% Standard'. Points deducted for failure to maintain logical consistency in your argument. ;) Funny, _AD_ was slightly dissapointing to me (see review.) What about _Seven..._ turned you off? > > > As you mention, 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', > > > 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' are not vanilla recordings of each > > >concert. > > > > > > Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces > > > from at least a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a > > > single recording of a concert for which no tape exists). > > > >Ricochet_ *was* presented (and advertised) as a live album! It was > >edited from basically 3 shows with additional studio overdubs > >(notably the drums and the piano intro to pt.2), and is a great > >*impression* of the late `74/early `75 shows. > > Ech. I forgot it was labeled and presented as Live. Well, I can > blame Edgar for recent transgressions, but I guess we have to put > it on all the band members (assuming they got involved) for Logos, > Ricochet and Encore. On _Ricochet_ the drums were Chris, additional keys overdubed mainly by Peter after he rejoined them. +++++ > > > Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert > > > except it skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage > > > (~24 minutes of unreleased material which appeared in The Keep > > > and other soundtracks), and nicely improvised Choronzon, > > > Tangent, and Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of the guitar > > > work near the end of the concert has been dialed down, and the > > > White Eagle and Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. > > > >_Logos_ is the second set of the Dominion show with the first set > >opening theme grafted on in place of the 'Mojave Plan' excerpt. > >There was *NO* guitar performed at any of the `82 UK Winter shows! > > Mmkay. So all the guitar sounds were keyboard? Learn something > every day! The 'guitar sounds' are actually from Johannes. > > > Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that > > > occured at the Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the > > > concert fit on four 22 minute sides (vinyl!). > > > >_Poland_ was basically re-performed in the studio due to the > >aforementioned problems. I've always felt that the side edit > >between 'Poland' and 'Tangent' should've been > >corrected for the CD release, as it was for _Logos_. > > Agreed on the Poland-Tangent bridge. I didn't know it was > reperformed. I do know that the Poland track mutated quite a bit > through 1983, as featured on a Tokyo 83 tape I have. Poland on > there has mushroomed to 28 minutes. Honestly, the Warsaw (studio if > you will) version is more polished. The same can be said for anyone > who has heard the Logos intro as it was played in late 1981. It was > 10 minutes before they whittled it down to the polished 5 > 1/2 minute version on Logos and any other fall 1982 concert. The 'Poland' version from the actual Warsaw concert is also 28+ mins. The Tokyo version is essentially the same. > >And I'm with the growing consensus of old fart collectors who > >believe there was no afternoon show. Mislabled tapes are the most > >likely culprit here (as usual.) > > Well Hermes, the part that throws me is the White Cloths tape > labeled part III. It has a 10 minute passage completely unlike > anything I've ever heard. Any opinions? You're not referring to the encore, are you? I don't have the tapes here at work. ++++++ > > > >They call them *Bootlegs* precisely because the record company owns > >the rights to the live performances by bands under contract, > >including material performed that has not been released. > > So that's why Edgar is producing these fictionalized concert > recordings and why we'll never see untouched recordings? Nah. He just wants to mess with our minds!;) There are too many possible explinations as to why we're not getting the goodies. 'Stupid Record Company Tricks' and 'Visionary is my middle name' are leading candidates, however.;) goozer From: 'James Williams' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 10:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire I second this. I remember when being on the cs.uwp.edu mailing list when this was arranged but I didn't make it because of traffic. The meeting took place in the Moon on the Green pub, didn't it? I don't contribute to this list much but it would be great to meet all the frequenters James ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Glynn Naughton' To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:38 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: > Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush > Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk > priced at Ł18.50 hope to see you all there. > Cheers Gary. Wa-hay! Well, I just bought my ticket :-) First time I've bought anything on the Web. It's gonna be strange going to a TD show on a light evening. They usually seem to play in the UK in winter. (Of the 6 TD shows I've seen, 4 were in November and 2 in March.) We should arrange another pre-show get-together as per the legendary 1996 Shepherds Bush show. Glynn PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Lord Rayden' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 10:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Live' recordings JerzyK szerzy wlasciwe poglady ! El-Krucjata rozpoczela sie :) Go 3N Go ! Rayden , > > Jerzy'K cos Ty i tutaj :) > > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. Millennium > > > Hello! > > (and sorry for my opinion of this discussion ;)) ) > > > > But now nobody not convince me that TD has record any his 'live' records > on > > real live performance. I'm listening to official TD's records very > precisely > > and very close to bootlegs recording. I'm playing keybords, > synthesators, > > guitars, percussion too and I known in technical details how to create > music > > like this . Realy! When I was in 97 on goblin's concert I was very > > dissatisfied. Because, without Hahveld's percussion and Perica's guitar, > all > > material (oups, sorry - only 99% of material ;))) ) has played from VST. > Old > > Froese sometimes played only acords and make sound effects. It's for me > very > > disgusting. > > > , > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25715 Re: 'Live' recordings Bag Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 3:05 am Subject: Fw: [beyond_em] Live Miles ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Frank Arellano' To: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 10:12 AM Subject: [beyond_em] Live Miles > > > You know I've been thinking about Live Miles and what I've been thinking > about is that I've heard it been said that the concert in Albuquerque was > with an introduction in the Spanish language. I kind of find it hard to > believe it, because I grew up there and even though Spanish is pretty common > there, English is the primary language. Hermes or you Steve [or anyone > else], I seem to recall that you guys said that you actually went to the > concert there in 86', can you tell me which venue it was played at and why > Spanish would have been spoken. > > > The Mini Moog will cut through concrete. > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 3:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings >From: 'Hermes Guzman' > > >So we've gone from a '50% Standard' in your first post to a '20% >Standard'? No, I don't feel offended by _Sohoman_. And again you miss >the point (fine as it is): with the exception of _Perth_ (which meets >your 50% standard...) these CDs have the *original concert* included >('Bondi' edit noted.) The 'Edgar solo' material is in *addition* to >this, not in place of it (again, 'Bondi' edit noted.) Yes, I freely >admit that to some I may be splitting semantic hairs. But given the >*complete* history of live releases by TD, I feel I'm on rather solid >ground. At this point I've argued too much and just clouded the list beyond any semblence of TD fandom. I was thinking of that driving home. It seems as if every time I try to take some measure or steps to pull back from the TD bashing, I get drawn further into it. A lack of self-discipline or tact I suppose. >As for _Zoning_, you are in error there as well. No, it's *not* the >original '87 score. But it *is* the new score commissioned for the re- >release on video by the film studio! And since nowhere does it claim >to be from '87, the fraud is what exaclty? I was not aware that it was for a re-release of the movie. It's still a boring release. The title and end themes, composed largely by Jerome if my knowledge of his composing style is worth a shit, are the saving graces. Then again, the 1987 soundtrack wasn't that great either to be real honest. > > I've chosen not to buy Sohoman, i-Box or Soundmill Navigator, > > instead listening to a friend's copy of each for evaluation > > purposes. I listened to Seven Letters in a music store and skipped > > it. I purchased Antique Dreams after a couple of positive notes on > > this list and I don't regret it. So Edgar has 1 sale from me in the > > last 2 years, and that's the album where he narrowly hit the 51% > > un-f***ed Tangerine Dream vintage recording percentage. > >Now we're back to the '50% Standard'. Points deducted for failure to >maintain logical consistency in your argument. ;) I wasn't aware that there was some responsibility on my shoulders to impress someone or have a strong debate point. I'm not trying to win the gold trophy in anything. And the 50% thing is how I decide on this concert stuff. To me, Sohoman, Soundmill Navigator, and Perth contain less than 50% undoctored material. >Funny, _AD_ was slightly dissapointing to me (see review.) Well, Edgar thought he could stomach his distaste with the old material long enough to produce Antique Dreams, but he could not. At the last minute the scope changed to include quite a bit of 1986+ material. There's just enough on there (51%) that I don't feel I wasted the money. >What about _Seven..._ turned you off? Not interested in an entire CD of what amounts to what are normally bridges during TD concerts. I stood in a music store (Soundwaves) and listened to the majority of it. > > >There was *NO* guitar performed at any of the `82 UK Winter shows! > > > > Mmkay. So all the guitar sounds were keyboard? Learn something > > every day! > >The 'guitar sounds' are actually from Johannes. So it was his decision to scale back the wildness of the performance and cut out passages near the end of the concert? So I guess Johannes is a revisionist as well. >The 'Poland' version from the actual Warsaw concert is also 28+ mins. >The Tokyo version is essentially the same. It's only 17 minutes on the Poland CD. So the Poland CD is a lot less like the actual concert than I believed. Hrmmph. Well, as hypocritical (flame away!) as it may seem, I've grown rather attached to the version they released on CD, as crippled/edited/tangentized/watered-down as it may be. The playing of Tokyo compared to the playing on the CD release of Poland are night-and-day different to my ears. This is why I want to just pull out of this god damn argument. I'm honestly getting so worn out on TD with all this I might unsubscribe. I'd be hell on wheels if I joined the Star Wars mailing list! My unsubscription (?) from this list has already been called for a few times in the past. I also know that if people judged me solely from their exposure to me on this list, I wouldn't blame them for having serious prejudices. I'm an asshole mostly online. In real life, it's a bit of a different story. > > Well Hermes, the part that throws me is the White Cloths tape > > labeled part III. It has a 10 minute passage completely unlike > > anything I've ever heard. Any opinions? > >You're not referring to the encore, are you? I don't have the tapes >here at work. No. Listen to 28:44-45:30 on White Cloths III. I've never heard any other 01.31.81 tape sound like this. Then again I've shown my limited knowledge quite a bit now haven't I, so I may be off my rocker here too... > > >They call them *Bootlegs* precisely because the record company owns > > >the rights to the live performances by bands under contract, > > >including material performed that has not been released. > > > > So that's why Edgar is producing these fictionalized concert > > recordings and why we'll never see untouched recordings? > >Nah. He just wants to mess with our minds!;) Then I stand by my original statement a few weeks ago. Edgar should not bother. Just leave the concerts in the vaults, rather than tainting their good names. Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 4:01 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Maybe I can do the same... ;^) (I mean convince MY new wife....) MJ > > $@^*%#!!. Now how can I convince my lovely new bride that attending > this show would be a perfect birthday gift for me.... > > goozer (who attended both of the previous SB shows and is seriously > jonesing to go back to London!) > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Patrik .' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 9:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Empire Great news! I´m all set. Got my confirmation 2 minutes ago. See you all there! Patrik, Stockholm _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Jared White' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 6:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' > This is why I want to just pull out of this god damn argument. I'm honestly > getting so worn out on TD with all this I might unsubscribe. I'd be hell on > wheels if I joined the Star Wars mailing list! My unsubscription (?) from > this list has already been called for a few times in the past. I also know > that if people judged me solely from their exposure to me on this list, I > wouldn't blame them for having serious prejudices. I'm an asshole mostly > online. In real life, it's a bit of a different story. I understand completely. Sometimes I worry that I come across as a complete jerk on mailing lists since I tend not to post stuff unless I get 'ticked off' by something I come across and jump into an argument. I just don't have the time and energy to chit-chat and chew the fat most of the time, but somehow I manage to find the time to argue with somebody. ;) You know, if you want to pull out of this argument, just do it! No one's forcing you to write anything. I'd hate to see you go for good 'cause you got sick of a discussion. BTW, much as I hate to admit it, I've been agreeing with a lot of what you've been saying lately. I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that Edgar's been suffering from the talent but no taste syndrome the past few years. How he can do some brilliant stuff and almost at the same time put out utter s**t is beyond me. Frustrating, to say the least. Anyway, I wish you luck no matter what you end up doing, and, folks, perhaps we can move on to some other subjects at this point? This discussion's startin' ta irritate me. :) Take care, Jared From: 'Greg' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings I really do agree with you, I mean how can we justify the things TD is doing now, I mean honestly has the artist become so involved in making money that he/they will release old concert material that are really studio releases and rewrite (tangentize) musical material right over lower volume concert material? It seems TD is using these releases of material with incredibly low originally unreleased content to finance their endeavors of original new material not many people seem to want to buy. It may seem like a hole-in-one to make money but as good as these concert recordings sound for me (a person who does not trade concerts and such), I have to hold back and ask myself, what am I really going to get that isn't just marketing tricks? We need people on this list who at least tell it straight. I know what live is.. gosh.. Greg H > This is why I want to just pull out of this god damn argument. I'm honestly > getting so worn out on TD with all this I might unsubscribe. I'd be hell on > wheels if I joined the Star Wars mailing list! My unsubscription (?) from > this list has already been called for a few times in the past. I also know > that if people judged me solely from their exposure to me on this list, I > wouldn't blame them for having serious prejudices. I'm an asshole mostly > online. In real life, it's a bit of a different story. > Morgan From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 2:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire We should arrange a pre-show get-together as per the legandary 1996 Shepherds Bush show. Glynn ====== I'm in From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 12:32 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Hi all, Yeah, I was there, but as I didn't have Internet at the time, I didn't know any of you! Now I'm hoping that the rumours of them playing in France are true... Paul ---------- >De : 'Glynn Naughton' >Ŕ : tadream@egroups.com >Objet : [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire >Date : Mar 16 jan 2001 22:42 > > --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: >> Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S > Bush >> Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk >> priced at Ł18.50 hope to see you all there. >> Cheers Gary. > > Wa-hay! Just bought my ticket over the Web. It's gonna be strange > going to a TD show on a light spring evening; they usually seem to > play here in winter. (Of the 6 TD shows I've seen, 4 were in November > and 2 in March.) > > We should arrange a pre-show get-together as per the legandary 1996 > Shepherds Bush show. > > Glynn > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 2:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire . (Of the 6 TD shows I've seen, 4 were in November and 2 in March.) Hammersmith 1978 by any chance From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 9:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Empire Ł18.50 Blimey Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk priced at Ł18.50 hope to see you all there. Cheers Gary. From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Glynn Naughton' wrote: > > > We should arrange a pre-show get-together as per the legandary 1996 > Shepherds Bush show. > > Glynn Hi Glynn I am in on this there will be three of us going my mate and his wife, I could not persuade my mrs she hates them. Cheers Gary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25710 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB 25721 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 5:59 pm Subject: RE: Kiva Livemiles Hey Dreamers, Where's goozer! I was there at the Kiva in Albuquerque on time for the intro, in the archives are many vivid recollections. I suspect the spanish intro was to pull a little across the border mystery from the country the spanish conquered (maybe a Dali connection ;) ), what would have been really cool was if they dug deep instead of reaching and put a Hopi, Navajo or some other native intro. Why be real we live in dreamland, on the dreamlist, the same dream over and over with different clothes. My apologies to the sane. It is really beautiful outside sunny (again) and the wind is blowing gently, no birds crusing the thermal on the hills yet. And, I have to make the software talk to the hardware, suck. I have noticed redeaming qualities in disk 5 and 6 of the I-Box, how wierd. I really think the tape trees of the 90's for all those unreleased concert tapes, remastered for CDR was a great achievement. The web of cooperation across the world was way cool, much like our tribute CD. Sea of Dream and the Real Dream Encores maxed out, my smile was huge, the warm joy inside immense. Was the tree a bad thing, my branch made it to 76, did any of you all out there on a CDR tree make it further. Anyone into growing our own tree. Later, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25712 Re: Kiva Livemiles Hermes Guzman Thu 1/18/2001 3 KB 25713 Re: Kiva Livemiles Frank Arellano Thu 1/18/2001 4 KB 25726 Re: Kiva Livemiles Whiteley, Steve Thu 1/18/2001 3 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire >Hi Glynn I am in on this there will be three of us going my mate and >his wife, I could not persuade my mrs she hates them. >Cheers Gary TD or your mate and his wife??? ;) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25721 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 8:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings Feldon Feldon wrote: > I'm honestly getting so worn out on TD with all this I might unsubscribe. I've threathened the same thing in the past too. Sometimes, it seems like all I do on this list is complain, and I'm sure that this irritates a lot of people (particularly those who think everything the band does is automatically a work of genius). But the thing is, I'm not trying to bait people...I complain because I care. If I didn't care, I would have packed up and left a long time ago. I still like TD, and am just trying to compell them to help them help themselves. Ultimately, they rely on their fans for support, and I see that many fans aren't happy with what they're doing. So I encourage fans who *are* upset to vote with their wallets...i.e., not buy their stuff. That's the only way to get them to change. The other thing is, this is the only forum where fans can warn each other if the latest TDI release is another stinker, another Frankenstein's monster of overdubbing...or whether it's the real deal. We're obviously not getting the straight goods from TDI. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:51 pm Subject: Re: Kiva Livemiles --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Whiteley, Steve' wrote: > Hey Dreamers, > > Where's goozer! I was there at the Kiva in Albuquerque on time for > the intro, in the archives are many vivid recollections. I suspect > the spanish intro was to pull a little across the border mystery > from the country the spanish conquered (maybe a Dali connection ;) ) > [...] Here I am. I was amongst the first 20 people in the door. I wanted to be sure that I had a chance to see the stage before the show, not to mention not wanting to miss a single note. One of the funny moments from that evening was overhearing some dude stage-whispering 'Look at all the pseudo-intellectuals!' to his buddy as they walked to their seats. That is an exact quote. So there is no doubt to what follows: THERE WAS *NO* INTRO AT THE KIVA SHOW!! As I've *repeatedly* affirmed over the years as this question comes up: NOT ONE SINGLE SECOND OF _LIVEMILES: 'ALBUQUERQUE'_ IS FROM THE ACTUAL SHOW!! Were 'recreational pharmaceuticals' a part of these vivid recollections? ;) goozer From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Kiva Livemiles Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in it, but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of the Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa Fe some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for acoustics. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Whiteley, Steve' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: [tadream] RE: Kiva Livemiles > Hey Dreamers, > > Where's goozer! I was there at the Kiva in Albuquerque on time for the > intro, in the archives are many vivid recollections. I suspect the spanish > intro was to pull a little across the border mystery from the country the > spanish conquered (maybe a Dali connection ;) ), what would have been really > cool was if they dug deep instead of reaching and put a Hopi, Navajo or some > other native intro. Why be real we live in dreamland, on the dreamlist, the > same dream over and over with different clothes. My apologies to the sane. > > It is really beautiful outside sunny (again) and the wind is blowing gently, > no birds crusing the thermal on the hills yet. And, I have to make the > software talk to the hardware, suck. I have noticed redeaming qualities in > disk 5 and 6 of the I-Box, how wierd. > > I really think the tape trees of the 90's for all those unreleased concert > tapes, remastered for CDR was a great achievement. The web of cooperation > across the world was way cool, much like our tribute CD. Sea of Dream and > the Real Dream Encores maxed out, my smile was huge, the warm joy inside > immense. Was the tree a bad thing, my branch made it to 76, did any of you > all out there on a CDR tree make it further. Anyone into growing our own > tree. > > Later, > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 12:23 am Subject: ES #9 Hey, For those into TD spotting, I'd like to mention that the latest TD news is featured in the new release of Electronic Shadows, available at http://www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows/ I suspect there is nothing there you dont already know but just in case someone subscribed here yesterday, it could be worth checking out :-) (No TD reviews this time) Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows (new version!) www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: Bag Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 2:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Lord wrote: > JerzyK szerzy wlasciwe poglady ! El-Krucjata rozpoczela sie :) Go 3N Go ! > Rayden > , >> >> Jerzy'K cos Ty i tutaj :) Hey guys, English only, please :)). Bag [ http://tadream.ac.pl/ ] From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 4:23 am Subject: Re: live albums <<'Fraudulently?' Since these releases all contain material that was *ACTUALLY PERFORMED LIVE* (Perth notwithstanding) where exactly is the fraud? If the criteria is overdubs and studio additions to a live concert constitute fraud, then there are almost *NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. >> You must not be familiar with the following albums: Dire Straits: Alchemy Deep Purple: Made In Japan Yes: Yessongs Pink Floyd: Ummagumma The Who: Live At Leeds Frank Zappa: most of the You Can't Do That Onstage Anymore set (I think Frank admitted he had to overdub the drums on one track, and there's like two studio tracks in there someplace) The Grateful Dead: Live/Dead, Hundred Year Hall, One From The Vault, and Two From The Vault (as well as the entire Dick's Picks series) Allman Brothers Band: Live At The Fillmore East, Wipe The Windows Check The Oil Dollar Gas, An Evening With The Allman Brothers Band, and Second Set Hawkwind: Space Ritual The Byrds: Unissued Eric Johnson: Live And Beyond (he said in Guitar Player that there are overdubs on the last track, and he 'fixed some intonation problems' on the guitar part on one track, the rest of it is just as it was performed onstage) Santana: Lotus Black Sabbath: Live At Last Uriah Heep: Live 73 Gov't Mule: Live With A Little Help From Our Friends (the collector's edition features some rather innovative 'remixing' techniques, as far as I know, to get around some gremlins that occurred during the recording of this one show, but there were no actual overdubs, as such). and that's all I can think of that I'm positive consists of pristine, virgin, non-overdubbed material. Yeah, it has become an unfortunate fact of the 'biz' in the last two decades that live albums will have post-production work done on them (Tony Visconti, Thin Lizzy's late 70's producer, claims that the only thing that wasn't overdubbed on Live And Dangerous is the drums and the audience noise). It's a shame, really, because a lot of bands really put on amazing shows, but they're so nitpicky when they do a live album, they can't be bothered to leave a sloppy drum fill, or the rough around the edges vocal harmonies as they are. What sucks is something like the above mentioned Thin Lizzy album, where they allegedly had something five shows from two different tours to pick material from, and they still found it necessary to do a virtual complete 're-enactment'. I mean, ok, I can understand if they had only two shows to work from, and one night Phil Lynott had no voice and the other night Scott Gorham's guitar amp started making funny noises or whatever, but when you have FIVE COMPLETE SHOWS to choose from, you'd think you'd be able to piece together 77 minutes of solid rock music, without relying too heavily on overdubs, if at all. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 8:43 am Subject: Re: live albums <> Not all of them. A few of them are taken from more than one show. One is a 3 CD compiled from a three night run in London in September of 74 (wish they had made it a four CD, they left out some good psychedelic music that happened at one of those shows), while another contains the entire second set and encores from two consecutive shows from June of 74 (one from Boston, the other from Providence, Rhode Island). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: fstephe@a... Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 2:16 pm Subject: Canyon Dreams Sessions Hello everybody, I'm sure this has been answered before but I'd like to get an answer to this question. I have been listening to the Canyon Dreams Session Tape of Rough Cuts. My question is: Where did these pieces of music end up getting used? Did all of them end up on official commercial releases? Thanks, Frank From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 3:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 767 I was at the Kiva in 86, as well, and I can testify that the intro never happened. THe kiva is downtown, not near the University. The accoustics that night were fantastic. Livemiles is fiction in comparison to what was played at the concert. Paul Haslinger even admitted it to me once when I ran into him at some computer trade show in Los Angeles (very friendly guy). I used to see him hanging around the Tower Records on Ventura blvd. there a lot. Anyway, the show was great, but it's not the recording. I recently received a fan tape that proves it. The fan tape is exactly what I remember. As for the post that claimed we, by complaining on this list and not buying new cds as a form of protest, I think you miss the point of TD. They are not commercially driven in terms of musical direction. As for the constant repackagings, I find it particularly disappointing to expect ibox to have a cd of new material, only to find it's mislabeled old material. That's a stinker. But come on, the Ibox is 6 CDs of material that I got for $32. How can you complain about the value there? My biggest beef is the mislabeling of material, or giving something a new name when it's an old track. That should be criminal. I hope TD gets out of the recent rut and I'm anxious to hear TD Mix3. TDMix 1 was wonderful. -Aslanfan1 In a message dated 1/18/01 1:40:37 PM, tadream@egroups.com writes: << Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in it, but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of the Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa Fe some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for acoustics. >> From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 6:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: live albums Chris Richards wrote: > If the criteria is overdubs and studio additions to a live concert constitute > fraud, then there are almost *NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. ?? Yes, I accept this. Most live albums undergo a certain amount of sprucing up in the studio. But what all of us critics keep reiterating is that most of this 'sprucing' usually gets done concurrently with the original recording, and thus the music still provides a more or less accurate document of what the band sounded like at a certain phase of their history. That's what the fans are after, is it not? TD's current obsession with revisionism is destroying the integrity of the music. But hey, if an artist can't restrain themselves from breaking into the gallery to touch up their work, so be it. Where my own complaints begin is that TDI is not being up front about the fact that these drastic changes are taking place (in fact, in the case of Soundmill Navigator, we were given wrong information...word right from TDI was that the album was being released undoctored, and that proved to be false). Their website is outrageously short on details, and obscenely long on gushing press releases. And I maintain that this is because they're trying to trick fans into buying this stuff. But, to paraphrase an old saying: 'make a fool of me once, shame on you. Make a fool of me twice, shame on me.' Now, I know that my opinion on all of this is a selfish one (even though I know there are others on this list who feel the same way). I suppose there really might just be a group of TD fans out there who think everything they're doing with their old live recordings is just fabulous. And if enough of them continue to vote with their wallets, I guess there's no hope that things will change. Or it could just be that TDI intends to release doctored versions of all their shows, and then, a few years later, re-release them in undoctored form as 'classic editions', thus compelling the faithful to buy the same albums twice. Given their penchant for changing their cover art every couple of years, that wouldn't surprise me. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 6:59 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, Rolf Elfström wrote: > >Hi Glynn I am in on this there will be three of us going my mate and > >his wife, I could not persuade my mrs she hates them. > >Cheers Gary > > TD or your mate and his wife??? She hates everybody only joking I am afraid it's TD, she prefers Shania Twain I like her too but for different reasons it's those powerful thighs. Cheers Gary. ;) From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Ricochet >I'm sure that when Ricochet was released it was made known that this wasn't >a straight-forward concert album but rather an album edited together from >various concerts. Whether this fact was mentioned in advertising, press >releases or interviews I don't know/can't remember, but I do remember >thinking at the time that it seemed a pretty weird way of releasing a live >album. Actually they did even advertise the fact that it was 'compiled from over 20 hours of taped material', bigtime. If I look back at the official live albums from that era in my collection (yeah, that's how old I am :-), very, very few would list specific locations. I found it completely normal (though, regrettable) that live albums were usually a 'best of the tour' collection. Heck, I guess that's still so ! (Again, not that I like the fact!) As to what's live and what not on Ricochet, we'll never be sure. TD and their equipment wouldn't perform the same music twice exactly the same way in those days, and only a few fragments of concerts are documented on fan tapes. cheers, klaus From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 6:33 pm Subject: Live Miles >>And not one minute of Livemiles was played live, as is, in 1986/87. > >Don't get me started on this again (although 'Caspian Sea' and >'Velvet Autumn/Sunnyvale' are fairly accurate *impressions* of two >themes from the Berlin show.) Hermes, this is _not_ meant at you personally, but from time to time one fact needs repetition: Many, if not most, people discussing this subject draw the comparison between Berlin part of Live Miles and the WDR radio broadcast (which was the base for Antarktis and 20th Century Serenades). This broadcast was from an already-doctored tape, for the well-known copyright reasons. So, for the really scientific minded, get the audience live tape for comparison! The sound is not bad at all, except that you hear a lot of the audience as well ;-) cheers, klaus From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 5:31 am Subject: Shepherds Bush Empire Got my confirmation of ticket. Yeah, I look forward to meeting you before the concert. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 7:34 pm Subject: live albums Talking of live albums, does anyone know if Banco de Gaia live at Glastonbury is overdubed or virgin? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 7:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Kiva Livemiles Message: 12 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:16:21 -0700 From: 'Frank Arellano' Subject: Re: RE: Kiva Livemiles Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in it, but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of the Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa Fe some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for acoustics. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 8:04 pm Subject: Shepherds Bush > >Hi Glynn I am in on this there will be three of us going my mate and > >his wife, I could not persuade my mrs she hates them. > >Cheers Gary > > TD or your mate and his wife??? >She hates everybody only joking I am afraid it's TD, she prefers >Shania Twain I like her too but for different reasons it's those >powerful thighs. >Cheers Gary. ;) Ha! Reminds me of one of my all-time favourite quotes, courtesy of Jerry Sadowitz: 'I only have two hates: living things and objects.' In terms of the pre-show get-together, in think we can organise that one pretty easily, even 4 months in advance. Just turn up at the Moon on the Green Pub (couple of minutes' walk from the venue) some time in the afternoon. See you then. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25820 Shepherds Bush David Foster Sat 1/27/2001 2 KB 25840 Re: Shepherds Bush James Williams Tue 1/30/2001 3 KB 25889 Shepherds Bush David Foster Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25890 Re: Shepherds Bush Gary Jenkins Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25893 Re: Shepherds Bush - Rainer will be there Rainer Rutka Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25895 Re: Shepherds Bush Matthew Stringer Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25916 Re: Shepherds Bush horrod6@n... Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB 25891 Re: Shepherds Bush Thenite0wl@a... Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25906 Re: Shepherds Bush Brian Stewart Sun 2/4/2001 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. >===== Original Message From Sean Montgomery ===== >Nope. The tracks on disc 5 of Dream Roots are truly unreleased. They were >composed during the latter part of 1985, after Johannes left the band but before >Paul joined. They had been shelved for over a decade. And yeah, Valley of the >Sun is a really good piece, a must for fans of mid-80s TD. Speaking of which, is anybody aware of 'edits' of VoTS? I taped this piece off a friend a couple of years ago and subsequently misplaced the tape (it's not lost yet!). I seem to remember this piece being in the 15 minute range lengthwise. When I look for it on Napster, I find versions that are about 7 and 10 minutes in length. What's the deal with these? Are these promo versions or something? Gabe ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 8:27 pm Subject: RE: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey morgan Message: 12 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:16:21 -0700 From: 'Frank Arellano' Subject: Re: RE: Kiva Livemiles >Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome >shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in it, >but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of the >Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa Fe >some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for >acoustics. I think the Kiva where TD played was part of the Convention Center area, probably held around 2,000 people the seats were plush and the isles were big enough to have someone walk down without moving your feet. When we bought our tickets they just pulled out a big stack, we found 4 in a row, 4th row center. The bass was awesome. The Kiva auditorium on the campus is a different place, but beautiful to look at, never been inside. I sure would enjoy a nice southwest thunder storm, the bass is awesome, the sunset rainbow mesa light show is the best. So what about the tree, just a bunch of dead wood laying around, large private forests. I have a modest garden started and I'm willing to trade my seeds. Just to jump start the fan tape discussion, what are your favorite? Why? 1)Sea of Dreams fan tape collection 6 CD's of wonderfully remastered fan tapes from the 70's to 90's 2)Real Dream Encores hit my sweet spot for the 75 to early 80's selections 3)Kiva 86 I really liked the song selection of the 86 tour, I was there Livemiles was not. 4)Montreal 77 Another great moment for touring TD, some of my favorite TD moments 5)Santa Monica 80 I wasn't there but should have been, the year TD changed my music tastes forever. 6)Newcastle 81 Hey Morgan, what are your favorite fan tapes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25734 Re: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey mor Frank Arellano Fri 1/19/2001 4 KB 25735 Re: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey mor j.gordon Fri 1/19/2001 4 KB From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 9:15 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Let's hope they play something new and not a load of warmed-over studio recordings like usual! Gary. --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: > Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush > Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk > priced at Ł18.50 hope to see you all there. > Cheers Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25736 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Matthew Stringer Fri 1/19/2001 2 KB 25738 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire gnmorgan@b... Fri 1/19/2001 2 KB 25759 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Matthew Stringer Mon 1/22/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. Valley of the Sun is indeed around 15 minutes long. I suspect the 7 minutes versions you see on Napster are just incomplete mp3 files. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Scott' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: Re: 'Live' recordings Getting back to the original intent of this subject, I have to disagree with Chris Richards. I can't stand it when bands pick individual songs from different shows to put on a live album. I would much rather have a live album represent one show, like Pergamon, Logos, Poland, 220 Volt, Tournado & Valentine Wheels. I think the Dead did it best with the Dick's Picks series, although some of them are not only from one show either. Scott From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 10:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings >From: 'Scott' > >Getting back to the original intent of this subject, I have to disagree >with >Chris Richards. I can't stand it when bands pick individual songs from >different shows to put on a live album. I would much rather have a live >album represent one show, like Pergamon, Logos, Poland, 220 Volt, Tournado >& >Valentine Wheels. I think the Dead did it best with the Dick's Picks >series, >although some of them are not only from one show either. I think we've seen that, except for Tournado, 220 Volt, and Valentine Wheels, the other 3 you mention can't really be considered concerts either. :( -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 12:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey morgan Looks like you're blatantly missing Electronic Orgy, Steve. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Whiteley, Steve' To: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: [tadream] RE: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey morgan > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:16:21 -0700 > From: 'Frank Arellano' > Subject: Re: RE: Kiva Livemiles > > >Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome > >shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in it, > >but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of > the > >Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa > Fe > >some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for > >acoustics. > > I think the Kiva where TD played was part of the Convention Center area, > probably held around 2,000 people the seats were plush and the isles were > big enough to have someone walk down without moving your feet. When we > bought our tickets they just pulled out a big stack, we found 4 in a row, > 4th row center. The bass was awesome. The Kiva auditorium on the campus is a > different place, but beautiful to look at, never been inside. I sure would > enjoy a nice southwest thunder storm, the bass is awesome, the sunset > rainbow mesa light show is the best. > > So what about the tree, just a bunch of dead wood laying around, large > private forests. I have a modest garden started and I'm willing to trade my > seeds. > > Just to jump start the fan tape discussion, what are your favorite? Why? > > 1)Sea of Dreams fan tape collection > 6 CD's of wonderfully remastered fan tapes from the 70's to 90's > 2)Real Dream Encores > hit my sweet spot for the 75 to early 80's selections > 3)Kiva 86 > I really liked the song selection of the 86 tour, I was there > Livemiles was not. > 4)Montreal 77 > Another great moment for touring TD, some of my favorite TD moments > 5)Santa Monica 80 > I wasn't there but should have been, the year TD changed my music > tastes forever. > 6)Newcastle 81 > > Hey Morgan, what are your favorite fan tapes. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 8:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey morgan i think that is because EO isn't a fan TAPE collection... it's a singles collection... :) j.gordon --- Frank Arellano wrote: > Looks like you're blatantly missing Electronic Orgy, Steve. :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Whiteley, Steve' > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:27 PM > Subject: [tadream] RE: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey morgan > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:16:21 -0700 > > From: 'Frank Arellano' > > Subject: Re: RE: Kiva Livemiles > > > > >Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome > > >shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in > it, > > >but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of > > the > > >Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa > > Fe > > >some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for > > >acoustics. > > > > I think the Kiva where TD played was part of the Convention Center area, > > probably held around 2,000 people the seats were plush and the isles were > > big enough to have someone walk down without moving your feet. When we > > bought our tickets they just pulled out a big stack, we found 4 in a row, > > 4th row center. The bass was awesome. The Kiva auditorium on the campus is > a > > different place, but beautiful to look at, never been inside. I sure would > > enjoy a nice southwest thunder storm, the bass is awesome, the sunset > > rainbow mesa light show is the best. > > > > So what about the tree, just a bunch of dead wood laying around, large > > private forests. I have a modest garden started and I'm willing to trade > my > > seeds. > > > > Just to jump start the fan tape discussion, what are your favorite? Why? > > > > 1)Sea of Dreams fan tape collection > > 6 CD's of wonderfully remastered fan tapes from the 70's to 90's > > 2)Real Dream Encores > > hit my sweet spot for the 75 to early 80's selections > > 3)Kiva 86 > > I really liked the song selection of the 86 tour, I was there > > Livemiles was not. > > 4)Montreal 77 > > Another great moment for touring TD, some of my favorite TD moments > > 5)Santa Monica 80 > > I wasn't there but should have been, the year TD changed my music > > tastes forever. > > 6)Newcastle 81 > > > > Hey Morgan, what are your favorite fan tapes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 9:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25738 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire gnmorgan@b... Fri 1/19/2001 2 KB 25759 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Matthew Stringer Mon 1/22/2001 2 KB From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 7:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Hi, 'I Ty Brutusie przeciwko mnie' I sent You pack. Now I reflect whether I should not shovel :)))))) Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium > Lord wrote: > > > JerzyK szerzy wlasciwe poglady ! El-Krucjata rozpoczela sie :) Go 3N Go ! > > > Rayden > >> Jerzy'K cos Ty i tutaj :) > Hey guys, English only, please :)). > > Bag From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 6:40 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not to the exclusion of everything else. Gary. -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer wrote: > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25759 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Matthew Stringer Mon 1/22/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 8:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Oh..., well if that's the case Gary, let me dig out of my trash can some Kraftwerk that I just chucked out. :-) Since you ain't takin' the Mrs., maybe you can take me instead :-) Our wives can stay behind and keep each other company bad mouthing our music together. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire > I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not to the > exclusion of everything else. > > Gary. > > -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer > wrote: > > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25742 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Sat 1/20/2001 3 KB 25746 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire gnmorgan@b... Sat 1/20/2001 3 KB From: 'Eberly DE (Daniel)' Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: How to get fan tapes Question: What are these fan tapes on CD (CDR I guess). How can I get these? --Dan Steve Whiteley wrote: So what about the tree, just a bunch of dead wood laying around, large private forests. I have a modest garden started and I'm willing to trade my seeds. Just to jump start the fan tape discussion, what are your favorite? Why? 1)Sea of Dreams fan tape collection 6 CD's of wonderfully remastered fan tapes from the 70's to 90's 2)Real Dream Encores hit my sweet spot for the 75 to early 80's selections 3)Kiva 86 I really liked the song selection of the 86 tour, I was there Livemiles was not. 4)Montreal 77 Another great moment for touring TD, some of my favorite TD moments 5)Santa Monica 80 I wasn't there but should have been, the year TD changed my music tastes forever. 6)Newcastle 81 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25741 Re: How to get fan tapes Joe Shoults Fri 1/19/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 9:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] How to get fan tapes Discussing the fan tapes/bootlegs is fantastic. Please conduct trading activities off-list. Thnaks, Joe List Moderator -----Original Message----- From: Eberly DE (Daniel) [mailto:eberlyde@u...] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 4:10 PM To: 'tadream@egroups.com' Subject: [tadream] How to get fan tapes Question: What are these fan tapes on CD (CDR I guess). How can I get these? --Dan Steve Whiteley wrote: So what about the tree, just a bunch of dead wood laying around, large private forests. I have a modest garden started and I'm willing to trade my seeds. Just to jump start the fan tape discussion, what are your favorite? Why? From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 9:42 am Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Hi Frank I think you are getting you Gary's muddled, I am the one not taking the Mrs, the other talking about techno is Gary Morgan,personally I don't care what they play just want to see them live again after A 11 year drought for me. Cheers Gary J. > Oh..., well if that's the case Gary, let me dig out of my trash can some > Kraftwerk that I just chucked out. :-) Since you ain't takin' the Mrs., > maybe you can take me instead :-) Our wives can stay behind and keep each > other company bad mouthing our music together. :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:40 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire > > > > I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not to the > > exclusion of everything else. > > > > Gary. > > > > -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer > > wrote: > > > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 10:24 am Subject: Re Shepherd's Bush Theatre I would like them to play Silver Scale and Waterborne. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Chris Richards Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 10:44 am Subject: Re: live albums < If the criteria is overdubs and studio additions to a live concert constitute > fraud, then there are almost *NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. ??>> No I didn't! I quoted the above item, then listed live albums that don't fit the above description (at least, the respective artists claim the respective 'live' albums are indeed live recordings with no overdubs). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: Chris Richards Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 11:20 am Subject: Re: live albums <> Depends on whether the liner notes tell you which songs are from which shows or not. For instance, Live At The Fillmore East by the Allman Bros, Irish Tour by Rory Gallagher, and Rush's All The World's A Stage name venues and cities where the shows were recorded (and all but Irish Tour give dates). Same goes for the live material on Pink Floyd's Ummagumma and Hawkwind's Space Ritual. I think Cheap Trick's At Budokan falls into this category as well. On the other hand, there's a lot of live albums that do give full notes about where and when each song was recorded: Yes: Yesshows The Who: Live At Leeds Frank Zappa: Guitar, and the You Can't Do That Onstage series (when you knew when and where the tracks were from) Blue Oyster Cult: Extraterrestrial Live Deep Purple: Made In Japan Allman Brothers Band: Wipe The Windows Check The Oil Dollar Gas Ted Nugent: Double Live Gonzo Aerosmith: Live Bootleg But you are right, there are a lot of live albums that don'tl list locations, like: Rory Gallagher: Live In Europe Uriah Heep: Live 1973 (though the remarks about 'Friday night in Birmingham' and 'This is the nicest return to Birmingham we've had' kinda gives one clues) The Who: Who's Last (can you say 'contractual obligation'?) Queen: Live Killers Rainbow: On Stage Hawkwind: Live 1979 (though, somewhat paradoxically, this one appears to have been drawn entirely from a single show, in St Albans, UK) Of course, my favorite of the 'let's be vague on when and where this album was recorded' is undoutedly Hawkwind's 1984 release This Is Hawkwind Do Not Panic. The release was a double record, one LP and one 12' 45 rpm record. There's a mass listing of musicians who play on the record, basically spanning two different lineups. The cover depicts Stonehenge, so you're thinking most (if not all) of the release was recorded at one of the Stonehenge festivals, right? WRONG!!! I eventually got a bootleg of the Stonehenge fest from 84, and the only material from that show that appeared on the album are the two tracks that appear on 45 RPM disc. The LP was taken from a various shows in 1980, with Ginger Baker on drums (a fellow Hawkfan once gave me details on which song was from which show, I remember only that none of them were recorded at Stonehenge). Out of something like 55 minutes of music, only about 10 of it is really from Stonehenge! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 3:59 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Will be travelling down to London with Chris Owen...not sure how yet, maybe fly with Easyjet for Ł10, as Liverpool is only 7 miles away. Bring the Kraftwerk with you, I'll be glad of the donation ;-) My ex liked them too I have to admit (TD). Gary. --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Frank Arellano' wrote: > Oh..., well if that's the case Gary, let me dig out of my trash can some > Kraftwerk that I just chucked out. :-) Since you ain't takin' the Mrs., > maybe you can take me instead :-) Our wives can stay behind and keep each > other company bad mouthing our music together. :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:40 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire > > > > I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not to the > > exclusion of everything else. > > > > Gary. > > > > -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer > > wrote: > > > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 5:15 pm Subject: favourite fan tapes Hello all, I've noticed the fan tape discussion and I thought I could post something on the topic. Coefficient of Aural Expansion, also known as Ruby in the Sky, London - 2/april/75 is one of the first concert recordings I've got and it's still one of my favourites. It's a maybe perfect blend of the best spacy-pink-years music I've heard with the Rubycon style. 2 great CDRs. The first track seems to be cut, but it's 60 minutes long. The first 20 minutes contain some of the best TD spacy music, followed by 20 minutes great sequences and more 20ish minutes of a kind of blend between the first two moments. The second CD contains mainly Rubyconesque music. The first track is 40 minutes long and the last seems to be an encore, 13 minutes. Danger Live 1 - Brussels 76 (first part of the Jensen University concert, 2/2/76, plus what seems to be an encore, Ancienne Belgique, 26/11/76. the second part of the Jensen University is on the Danger Live 2 CD, which also contains the original Soundmill. I don't have the second CD.) I don't exactly remember how is the music in this one, but I remember I loved it. There are more than one (or just one?) of those magic TD moments where a simple tune is played, like the Atem intro, or the Monolight tune. Outback Voices - 22/2/82 - Sydney (source for Sohoman) A fantastic concert. First track is Convention of the 24, with the sequence slowly being built. White Eagle follows, plus some unreleased tracks, a section from Mojave Plan and a Force Majeure ending they used to play. You can hear lots of applause when the audience notices the first notes (or chords, or beat, I don't remember) from that Force Majeure section just before the final section slowly fades in. This concert deserves to be remastered by someone out there, like happened with Coefficient, where even stereo was added. These are some concerts I like very much. I have several recordings now, some 20 concerts, but don't have much time to play them. There are some I played only once, like a 86 concert called Sonambulistic Imagery (which is nice too). Maybe later I'll post more comments about other concerts. GJ np Ricochet part 1. best-of-tour or not, this is one of the top 3 70s TD albums. And top 10 EM albums. Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 7:00 pm Subject: Email change for Vic Rek Sorry fans for the intrusion, but I have to change my e-mail address in the next 10 days. The problem now is that I can send e-mails but I cannot receive them, which I hope to resolve with my ISP in the next few days. So I do not get anything from the outside world at the moment. If you have sent me an e-mail, then please be patient until I clear up this matter. Once I do I will be under a new e-mail address, tentatively: tangerinedream@a... Vic From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Okay, not the first or the last time that I've screwed up. :-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gary Jenkins' To: Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 2:42 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire > > Hi Frank I think you are getting you Gary's muddled, I am the one not > taking the Mrs, the other talking about techno is Gary > Morgan,personally I don't care what they play just want to see them > live again after A 11 year drought for me. > Cheers Gary J. > > > > > Oh..., well if that's the case Gary, let me dig out of my trash can > some > > Kraftwerk that I just chucked out. :-) Since you ain't takin' > the Mrs., > > maybe you can take me instead :-) Our wives can stay behind and > keep each > > other company bad mouthing our music together. :-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:40 AM > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire > > > > > > > I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not > to the > > > exclusion of everything else. > > > > > > Gary. > > > > > > -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer > > > wrote: > > > > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > > > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! > > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 3:36 am Subject: Steve Jolliffe/Constance Demby Hello TD dudes and dudettes, Was out 'making the rounds' today (as my wife would say) of the local music stores, used and new, to see if anything new happened into the place. When I happened to find a couple of Steve Jolliffe CDs. 'Alien' from 1994 and 'Deep Down Far' from 1998. Now I am not a Steve Jolliffe fan, but I thought I would mention it to the list just in case there was a fan out there. I would be more than happy to go back and pick these two up if anyone was interested. I did not have the $$$ on me or else I would have bought them just on speculation. If no-one is interested, I may still go and get them just incase someone on e-bay might need them. Please let me know soon as I really don't know how popular he might be locally. Actually, I really can't say that I am NOT a Steve Jolliffe fan. I have honestly heard NOTHING by him. Its just that I am having a hard enough time collecting Td along with the Froese, Franke and Schmoelling solos. Adding Jolliffe would be stretching the TD related dollar just a little bit to far. However, I am interested in what he has been doing since has short career with TD. Anyone out there would like to fill me/us in on Mr. Steve Jolliffe? What style of music and all. Maybe even some reviews on his solo projects? Or am I the only one curious? If I am that is fine.....its just a passing curiosity since I saw two of his CDs. I will probably give them a listen if I buy them anyway. So maybe that will be my homework. Buy the two CDs, give them a listen before I sell them on e-bay. And then review them for the list. Anyway, I did find a Constance Demby CD: 'Aeterna'. I have an OLD tape that someone made me years ago of her first LP, 'Novous Magnificat'. If my son is ever being a pisser in the car, we just put the old tape in the player and he is asleep in minutes. No reflection of her music....or maybe it is! The music is absolutely wonderful. Very relaxing and calming. And the new one is as well. A lot more piano based this time. With the synths more filling in the background. I have not heard her two middle releases, but if I like the first one from years ago, and I like the new one, chances are I wil like the middle ones as well. Well, I didn't really plan on writing so much, that was just what happened to me today and I thought it relevant to this list. I do have a question I wanted to ask....but that is for that 'other' list. By for now. Neal NP: 'Aeterna'-- Constance Demby (Really very good. April even likes it so you know it must be good.) --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 2:28 pm Subject: Re: Neal Frost's Steve Jolliffe query in [tadream] Digest Number 770 This e-mail is in response to Neal Frost's questions concerning Steve Jolliffe. We at Horizon Music have released many of Steve's solo albums over the years, including the two that Mr. Frost saw in the CD store he visited. You can listen to sound samples of each of Steve's CD's at our Web site at www.hmnetwork.com. We also offer secure site on-line ordering at reasonable prices. It may interest you to know that Steve Jolliffe's 'Zanzi' was chosen by the radio program Musical Starstreams as one of its Top Ten albums of 1996. Also, the opening selection from 'Deep Down Far' has been played as background music for an advertisement on the Discovery Channel in the UK. I know of two interviews with Steve that exist on the Internet. One of them is on our site of www.hmnetwork.com and another one is located at www.openupandsay.com/interviews/stevejolliffe.cfm. In both he talks of many things, including his stint with Tangerine Dream in the late 1960s. For reviews of Steve Jolliffe's albums, one is directed to the following URL: www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_jolliffe_000615.html. If this site doesn't work, just type in www.space.com, click 'Science Fiction' and search for 'Jolliffe'. I hope I have shed some light on Steve Jolliffe's musical career as well as provided you with some resources for further information. Happy surfing, reading, listening and (I hope) purchasing! Sincerely, Dave Kaufman President Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 4:20 pm Subject: Linda Spa Does anyone on the list know what Linda Spa is doing these days? Does she have any continuing involvement with TD? Is there any background information on her on the web? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Linda Spa >From: 'David Foster' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Linda Spa >Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:20:06 -0000 > >Does anyone on the list know what Linda Spa is doing these days? > >Does she have any continuing involvement with TD? > >Is there any background information on her on the web? > >David She must've been available to do the Saxophone recording for the 'Longing for Cashba' track on i-Box. As recorded in 1990, there was no Saxophone on it, and it's not a sample/keyboard. mOnrgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 7:45 pm Subject: Newcomer Hi, I'm new to this newsgroup. First time I met electronic music, it was 7 years ago (I was 12) - my father bought a compilation of Jean Michel Jarre 'Musik aus Zeit und Raum'. I loved it from the beginning. Then I met the music of Mike Oldfield with The Songs of Distant Earth, also a great thing. When I was 15 I saw on a german music TV in the show 'Zeit zum traumen' - 'Time to dream' TD's Towards the evening star - first piece from Goblins Club. So I ran to the first music shop and bought me a TD cassette. It was Pergamon. I was amazed. Four years later, I have most of TD's official albums. I still need to collect some of the newer things, and most soundtracks. My first four bootlegs should arrive any day from now :) I most like the music from the late 70, early 80. But I like also some albums from the beggining of the 70 as well as some from the 90. My top 5. Logos, Poland, Ricochet, Force Majeure, Pergamon. The albums dont like most: Tyranny of beauty and Turn of the tides I also like Klaus Schulze although I have only about 10 of his albums. I'm from Warsaw, Poland (here I want to greet all the persons here who are on the polish TD newsgroup) I live temporarily in Vienna, Austria (maybe here are some from this City, i'd like to meet you in person). Well thats all for the beggining - I hope I will write often here :) Michal Moroz nicks: VeloMir, MirStacja Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25755 Re: Newcomer Feldon Feldon Sun 1/21/2001 4 KB 25757 Re: Newcomer odean@m... Sun 1/21/2001 2 KB 25761 Re: Newcomer Piotr Sulkowski II Mon 1/22/2001 2 KB 25766 Re: Newcomer Deborah Johnson Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB 25767 Re: Newcomer Piotr Sulkowski II Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB 25785 Re: Newcomer scfeldman@j... Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB 25792 Re: Newcomer Deborah Johnson Wed 1/24/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer >From: 'Michal Moroz' > >Hi, I'm new to this newsgroup. First time I met electronic music, it was 7 >years ago (I was 12) - my father bought a compilation of Jean Michel Jarre >'Musik aus Zeit und Raum'. I loved it from the beginning. Then I met the >music of Mike Oldfield with The Songs of Distant Earth, also a great thing. >When I was 15 I saw on a german music TV in the show 'Zeit zum traumen' - >'Time to dream' TD's Towards the evening star - first piece from Goblins >Club. So I ran to the first music shop and bought me a TD cassette. It was >Pergamon. I was amazed. Four years later, I have most of TD's official >albums. I still need to collect some of the newer things, and most >soundtracks. My first four bootlegs should arrive any day from now :) >I most like the music from the late 70, early 80. But I like also some >albums from the beggining of the 70 as well as some from the 90. My top 5. >Logos, Poland, Ricochet, Force Majeure, Pergamon. The albums dont like >most: >Tyranny of beauty and Turn of the tides >I also like Klaus Schulze although I have only about 10 of his albums. I'm >from Warsaw, Poland (here I want to greet all the persons here who are on >the polish TD newsgroup) I live temporarily in Vienna, Austria (maybe here >are some from this City, i'd like to meet you in person). >Well thats all for the beggining - I hope I will write often here :) Michal, A warm welcome to the list! We've got similar taste in TD :) Right now we're out of the album review cycle, but I'm guessing it will start up again, with discussion of one album or soundtrack each week. The list is wide open: casual fans, hardcore fans of anything TD, rabid fans of TD from 1974-1987, to the exclusion of anything else, etc. You'll see mention of other artists that either used to be part of TD, or have similar styles. Finally, you'll see the occasional (We're trying to keep it down!) little spat about the latest Edgar Froese fiascos (i-box, Soundmill Navigator, Sohoman). If you're curious about any of the new releases and the general consensus about them, feel free to ask. I'm sure you'll get 5 opinions from 4 people but hopefully it will help. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Newcomer Hi Michal, >I also like Klaus Schulze although I have only about 10 of his albums. Klaus makes it easy for you to add CDs to your collection. Just buy one of his 10-CD sets, 30-CD sets or if that isnt enough, grab his 50-CD set (you'll pay for his new Porsche if you do that, hehe) Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows (new version!) www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: odean@m... Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 11:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer At 08:45 PM 1/21/01 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, I'm new to this newsgroup. My top 5. >Logos, Poland, Ricochet, Force Majeure, Pergamon. The albums dont like most: >Tyranny of beauty and Turn of the tides > >Michal Moroz >nicks: VeloMir, MirStacja You'll fit in very well here. Welcome aboard! Oscar From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 5:06 am Subject: atlantic walls I don't have this disc myself, but I saw one at Best Buy this evening with a cover completely different than the one on the TD website... How many covers of this disc are known about? MJ From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 10:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire I'm sorry, but I've noticed that the general reaction from the crowd, when they play that stuff isn't that enthusiastic when compared to the other stuff. So it's not just me. Anyway it gives me chance to nip to the bar! On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, you wrote: > I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not to the > exclusion of everything else. > > Gary. > > -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer > > wrote: > > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 9:20 am Subject: TD discussion board opened Hi all, just as an experiment, I've created a TD board on ezboards. You can find it at: http://pub50.ezboard.com/btangs This is not meant as competition to the mailing lists, basically I am just experimenting with ezboads. It starts empty, no rules apply. Two weeks from now I'll decide if I'll keep this alive (if there are enough posts that are _not_ crossposts from the lists) or let it die silently. have fun, klaus From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 6:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer Hi Michal, Welcome on foreign ground. From this what me it is known is us here several. Wlodek does not permit to write in our language :) Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium > I'm from Warsaw, Poland (here I want to greet all the persons here who are on > the polish TD newsgroup) > Michal Moroz > nicks: VeloMir, MirStacja > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 11:44 am Subject: [tadream] Only One? quick question: is shepard's bush the only concert they are playing? i thought they had lined up other dates in Spain and other places? where is this info to be found? tanks fer da help... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: Tom Richmond Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 3:19 pm Subject: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder Hello dreamers: This is the second reminder for participation in the 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' CDR tree. Sign-ups will be open until January 31, this is just a reminder for those who haven't signed up yet, or just joined the list and want to get in on it. So here's the scoop again... There are two levels of participation: Branch: one who is able (and willing) to make copies for others Leaf: one who wishes a copy, but is unable to make copies To sign up please send an email with the following information: Name Address City, State, Country email address (if different from where you're sending from) Branch or Leaf status - if you're signing up as a branch, please note how many copies you are willing and able to make to tmrtree@h... Please use this address for all correspondence regarding this project. It will be the responsibility of branches and leaves to arrange a trade that is acceptable to both parties. Branches please note that 'blanks plus return postage' MUST be an option. Not everyone has a lot to trade and we want to include everyone who's interested. Any questions, email me at the above address. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful.. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25798 Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder olle.rundgren@s... Thu 1/25/2001 3 KB 25800 Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder Joe Shoults Thu 1/25/2001 3 KB 25815 Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder olle.rundgren@s... Fri 1/26/2001 2 KB From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 4:18 pm Subject: Complete Works of.... In a previous post somebody mentioned collections that include the Complete Works of Risky Business, The Keep, Canyon Dreams, Legend and Thief... Can anybody let me know where these might be available (especially Canyon Dreams and Legend)...Please e-mail me off-list thanks. Frank From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 6:18 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] atlantic walls Hi Michael, I have noticed that there is a reasonably different second cover for Atlantic Bridges (but I have no idea about re-release dates or catalogue numbers), so I already suspected that there was another cover for Atlantic Walls. If anyone has more details please post them...both covers for Atlantic Bridges are on the following page: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/atlanticb.html If anyone has a copy of the different cover for Atantic Walls, a scan would be appreciated... http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/atlanticw.html Paul ---------- >De : 'Michael A Jean' >Ŕ : 'Tadreamonelist' >Objet : [tadream] atlantic walls >Date : Lun 22 jan 2001 6:06 > > I don't have this disc myself, but I saw one at Best Buy this evening with a > cover completely different than the one on the TD website... How many covers > of this disc are known about? > > MJ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 12:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer Hi Michal, Piotr & Any Other Newcomers: I'm a newcomer myself, having rediscovered TD about six months ago. I've known about them for 25 years, but for some reason, didn't get a passion for them until about six months ago when I first listened to the 'Private Music of Tangerine Dream,' a compilation from their Melrose period. Now I roam East Tennesee (here in the U.S.) looking for CDs to complete my collection. Deb H-J drbjohn@e... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer > Hi Michal, > Welcome on foreign ground. From this what me it is known is us here several. > Wlodek does not permit to write in our language :) > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. Millennium > > > > > > I'm from Warsaw, Poland (here I want to greet all the persons here who are > on > > the polish TD newsgroup) > Michal Moroz > > nicks: VeloMir, MirStacja > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 5:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer Hi, Welcome on 'board' and I greet from Poland Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium > Hi Michal, Piotr & Any Other Newcomers: > > I'm a newcomer myself, having rediscovered TD about six months ago. I've > known about them for 25 years, but for some reason, didn't get a passion for > them until about six months ago when I first listened to the 'Private Music > of Tangerine Dream,' a compilation from their Melrose period. Now I roam > East Tennesee (here in the U.S.) looking for CDs to complete my collection. > > Deb H-J > drbjohn@e... ---------------R---E---K---L---A---M---A----------------- INTERIA.PL jako pierwszy polski portal wchodzi na gielde. Masz szanse zainwestowac w jego akcje. Szczegoly na http://www.emisja.interia.pl/ From: gmroger@p... Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 771 J. Gordon wrote: 'Is shepard's bush the only concert they are playing? i thought they had lined up other dates in Spain and other places? where is this info to be found?' Being an Englishman living in Poland, I'd like to know too. Although I'm planning to make a trip to the UK in the early part of this year, I don't really want to wait until May unless I have to, and obviously I don't want to order a ticket only to find out they're playing here (and with the quite large number of Polish contributors on this list, surely we stand a chance?). IF I have to go to Shepherd's Bush, well, I don't know about the standing thing. I'm 172cm (or 5 foot 8). This was something I didn't think about or notice when attending previous concerts (as I always sat down). I hope you're not all six footers... Maybe it's a Dream Mixes concert. Perhaps that's why we're all standing - we're going to dance. Oh dear, could it be all this techno- shite some of us worry about (although not me!) Roger Hartopp -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25769 Re: Digest Number 771 Heiko Heerssen Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB 25770 Re: Digest Number 771 TDI - Martin K. Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB 25781 T-shirts etc. Glynn Naughton Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB 25791 Re: Shepards Bush seating Hermes Guzman Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB 25788 Re: Digest Number 771 David Foster Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 771 gmroger@p... schrieb: > J. Gordon wrote: > 'Is shepard's bush the only concert they are playing? i thought > they had lined > up other dates in Spain and other places? where is this info to be > found?' > > Being an Englishman living in Poland, I'd like to know too. As far as I know this is the only gig in the UK (please correct me if I'm wrong...Martin Kay for example ;-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25770 Re: Digest Number 771 TDI - Martin K. Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB From: 'TDI - Martin K.' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 771 At 11:20 23.01.01 , you wrote: > > >gmroger@p... schrieb: > >> J. Gordon wrote: >> 'Is shepard's bush the only concert they are playing? i thought >> they had lined >> up other dates in Spain and other places? where is this info to be >> found?' >> >> Being an Englishman living in Poland, I'd like to know too. > >As far as I know this is the only gig in the UK (please correct me if I'm wrong...Martin Kay for example ;-) > >Heiko > > Hello all, yes, it´s true. Shepherd´s Bush is the only UK gig. Other gigs are planned in Portugal, Spain and possibly Holland, although the situation on this one is still very vague. We hope to get confirmations on the gigs in the next few days and then we´ll post them to the websites. We want to wait until everything is 100% sure this time, though, because we wish to avoid a situation like with the proposed '99- tour, where dates were posted and then we had to blow it all off because of problems withe tour organizer. I am asking for a little more of your patience here - when the dates are posted, this time you can be sure that they will take place. Best regards, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: 'James Williams' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 11:24 am Subject: Another Newcomer Dear All, I have been following the list for some time now and have posted one or two replies but now i would like to formally introduce myself. My name is James Williams, I am 27 and a big fan of Tangerine Dream. I was introduced to TD in the late 80's by my next door neighbour who was a fan during the 70's. The first album i heard was Richocet which took some getting used to. I then bought 'The collection' which is not the best album to start with but the track 'White clouds' made an impression and kept my interest. The rest is history. I have seen TD Live 3 times and am looking forward to the Shepherds bush concert in May. My favourite TD album is Livemiles. I have a few rareties, include all singles from the Poland album, all Streethawk Singles, the 96 Shepherds bush CD, the 97 Tour CD Single, The Keep 97 Edition, The Keep (Blue Moon Boot) Etc. I used to be very active on the Tadream List at cs.uwp.edu back in 95-96 when I hosted the Tadream List T-Shirt website. The List members had decided to print an official T-Shirt and people would email there designs to me to place on the site. We never did do this though as i had to leave my job (my placement was finished) and thus close the site. Perhaps this is something we could do now? Other music interest include Jean Michel Jarre, Orb, Future Sound of London, as well as some main stream stuff. I Notice some names from the old days at cs.uwp.edu such as Glynn Naughton, Armin Theissen, Gabe Yedid. It's good to back in your company. Anyway enough waffle. Best Wishes, James Williams [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25772 Re: Another Newcomer j.gordon Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB 25789 Re: Another Newcomer David Foster Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB 25834 Re: Another Newcomer Rimas Lazutka Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Another Newcomer Another Newcomer??? They're coming out of the woodwork... =) i wondered when the other 300 people who've signed up for this list would begin to show themselves... =) welcome to the fold, james and deborah and the others... probably the most exciting thing about this list is that Edgar and Jerome are subscribed as well, though only in lurk mode... we know this because they listen to all the discussion that goes on here and then really make an effort to produce albums and compilations that fit with everyone's views... Soundmill Navigator, Sohoman... even I-box... these have really captured the spirit of what is discussed here, brought to light in music form... ... ... sorry... just a bit of razzin'... > My favourite TD album is Livemiles. woo hoo! alright, James... that's what we want to hear... most everybody here on the list agrees that it would have been almost impossible to follow up on Tyger, but Livemiles fit the bill... ;) again, welcome... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: Ben Ohmart Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 3:32 pm Subject: reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? i'm curious who's bought the 50 cd set, what you thought, and where i can find other reviews. i checked his official site but could only find brief fan messages. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25790 Re: reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? Robert Grabowsky Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB 25794 Re: reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? Kees Wed 1/24/2001 3 KB From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 3:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire HELLO! I'm member from France ,Erick Moncollin aka Doktor Strange ,and since 1980(my first Lp)plays Electronic Music , it's my job(i played with Tim Blake,Vangelis,a mythical jam , two times in a big party with Star Sounds Orchestra/Steve Schroyder & many others events,3 cds-7 lps-2 eps ...)Since 80' , electronic is,like you know more accepted with the Techno appearance , T.D. also know that 2000 Year was YESTERDAY and ALAS!ALAS!ALAS!Don't mistake ; i'm agree with your opinion (exemple:the Groundliftaz limited pre-release 5 maxis/Dreamixes 3 , the idea is good but,for me,even the two 'trance'are interessant when played at 30rpm,the 'mix'with ancient recordings is very bad(for a good mix,i must play also the original rec.at the 2nd source) and i think/feel this 'project'as a bad speculative release). I've 3700 lps&1200cds/private tapes,for me Tangerine Dream WAS a very big/good band til Optical Race/Melrose,and i must confess that i don't like this rec.Sorry!My favourite are numerous: Phaedra,Zeit,Alpha, Centauri,Elect.Meditation,Ricochet,Rubycon,Atem,Logos,etc...etc...But i like also K.Schulze(more)Ash Ra Tempel,Heldon,Neu,Brian ENO &many others..................BUT..............As my life is 50% electronic musician and 50 other% in Techno Party as Ambient DJ or Atmo-Trance Live-Act (really live,with all my fingers and brain,N computer) i'll be very interested by a good Tangerine Dream record with THEIR and Actual 'sounds',but NEW , i insist ! If you're searching for some special 'old' electronic rec. , ask , perhaps i 'll can help . I'm searching : BEEP(brian eno electronic port-folio),Bernard SZAJNER superfocial music. PLEASE ! Excuse my very bad English,i wish you a good entrance in the New Millenium , and also to all at the e-groups. Erick ,Doktor Strange/Tzi Cosmik UNITY . From: Strat95@E... Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: Home provider Hello Guys, I am currently at work. My home service provider is giving me a bunch of trouble right now. It might take a couple of days to get it straightened out. If anyone is trying to contact me, please be patient. I should have it all fixed in a couple of days. I am at edwinfrost@d... at work if anyone needs to get me but I cannot sunscribe here so it will have to be straight e-mails only. Thanks for the understanding and patience. Hope to be back soon Neal From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: RE: Valley of the Sun Napster versions I find a lot of stuff on Napster that is short because someone forgot to delete an incomplete track, and someone else copied it thinking it must be the whole thing. Before you know it, dozens of people have an incomplete version of some track. My Advice: download it and I'm sure you'll find that it just cuts off somewhere in the middle. Some unwitting person not realizing that the track should be 15 minutes, thought 7 minutes MUST be the entire track. If you use Napster, please set the 'Delete incomplete downloads' option. This will help avoid this kind of confusion. James > -----Original Message----- > Speaking of which, is anybody aware of 'edits' of VoTS? > I taped this piece off a friend a couple of years ago and subsequently > misplaced the tape (it's not lost yet!). I seem to remember this piece > being > in the 15 minute range lengthwise. When I look for it on Napster, I find > versions that are about 7 and 10 minutes in length. What's the deal with > these? Are these promo versions or something? > > Gabe > > From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 6:50 pm Subject: Getting into the blocks; Where can I order tickets? Hi all, Just to stand ready to the big day, could someone with the knowhow tell me where to get tickets to the Sheperds Bush gig. Now that I am able to attend, I would'nt miss it for the world! Best Regards Geir Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25778 Re: Getting into the blocks; Where can I order ti Phil Wingfield Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Getting into the blocks; Where can I order tickets? www.ticketweb.co.uk > Hi all, > > Just to stand ready to the big day, could someone with the knowhow tell me > where to get tickets to the Sheperds Bush gig. > Now that I am able to attend, I would'nt miss it for the world! > > Best Regards > > Geir From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 7:43 pm Subject: [tadream] Legend DVD Hi all, Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't remember anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the IMDB... Paul From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 7:47 pm Subject: [tadream] TD in France Hi all, It seems unlikely that TD will give a concert in France in May after all according to Martin from TDI, so I'll have to decide which way to go, east to Germany or west to London, what do you think...It would be nice to meet some other fans after more than 20 years of collecting! Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25784 TD in France Gary Jenkins Tue 1/23/2001 1 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:15 pm Subject: T-shirts etc. James Williams: >I used to be very active on the Tadream List at cs.uwp.edu back in >95-96 when I hosted the Tadream List T-Shirt website. The List >members had decided to print an official T-Shirt and people would >email there designs to me to place on the site. We never did do this >though as i had to leave my job (my placement was finished) and thus >close the site. Perhaps this is something we could do now? Ha! I'd totally forgotten about that. I seem to remember Craig Cordrey turning up at the '96 Shepherds Bush show wearing his 'dreaming tangerine' t-shirt, though. (Coming in May, Craig?) I even submitted a design myself which I thought was quite funny, but for the life of me I now don't have the faintest recollection of what it was... Roger: >IF I have to go to Shepherd's Bush, well, I don't know about the .standing thing. I'm 172cm (or 5 foot 8). > >This was something I didn't think about or notice when attending >previous concerts (as I always sat down). I hope you're not all six >footers... Downstairs only is standing. The balconey is unrestricted seating. You should be OK unless you get stuck behind someone who's tall from the waist up :-) Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25791 Re: Shepards Bush seating Hermes Guzman Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend DVD >From: 'Paul Fellows' > >Hi all, > >Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't remember >anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the >IMDB... IMDB lists every movie that's had ANY kind of release... TV, theatrical, etc. Legend DVD is not out and there is no release date, due to rights issues with some of the extras. From amazon.com... Legend (Collector's Edition) (1986) List Price: $34.98 Our Price: $27.99 You Save: $6.99 (20%) Release date to be announced: The release date for this video has not been finalized. You may still order this title. We will ship it to you as soon as it is available; your credit card will not be charged until we have shipped it. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:21 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD Paul- Where can one get that DVD? I had one on pre-order with buy.com but they never delivered. It was kind of weird actually, they had the description of the movie and everything, release date etc and were taking orders for it. Well after the release date came and went all of a sudden they changed the description to some Kung-Fu movie of the same name and billed and shipped it out to me. I got full credit, including shipping to and from me anyway. Does anyone have the correct DVD and where can *I* find one. Thanks! Regards, Joel On Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:43 PM, Paul Fellows [SMTP:pfellows@c...] wrote: > Hi all, > > Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't remember > anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the > IMDB... > > Paul > > The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:28 pm Subject: TD in France HI Paul go west to London you will not have to wait so long. From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 7:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:13:29 -0500 'Deborah Johnson' writes: >I'm a newcomer myself, having rediscovered TD about six months ago. >[. . .] looking for CDs to complete my collection. Well, you've got your work cut out for you, even if you just want to obtain all the official releases, not counting CD singles and solo albums! X-0 -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend DVD Paul Fellows wrote: > Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't remember > anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the > IMDB... The disc itself hasn't been released yet...only the cover art has. Legend was supposed to come out in late fall, but that didn't happen, and a new street date has yet to be announced. Even so, you can pre-order it from Amazon.com for 27.99. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD It was scheduled for release for the last week in November and it was pulled indefinately because of problems with the copyright to certain extras on the 2 disc set. I pasted this news to the list in December. -Morgan >From: 'Joel S. Mullen' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: ''tadream@egroups.com'' >Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:21:00 -0600 > >Paul- > Where can one get that DVD? I had one on pre-order with >buy.com but they never delivered. It was kind of weird actually, they >had the description of the movie and everything, release date etc and >were taking orders for it. Well after the release date came and went >all of a sudden they changed the description to some Kung-Fu movie >of the same name and billed and shipped it out to me. I got full credit, >including shipping to and from me anyway. Does anyone have the >correct DVD and where can *I* find one. > >Thanks! > >Regards, > >Joel > >On Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:43 PM, Paul Fellows >[SMTP:pfellows@c...] wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't >remember > > anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the > > IMDB... > > > > Paul > > > > The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom >Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > >The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom >Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 771 Roger said 'IF I have to go to Shepherd's Bush, well, I don't know about the > standing thing. I'm 172cm (or 5 foot 8). > > This was something I didn't think about or notice when attending > previous concerts (as I always sat down). I hope you're not all six > footers... > > Maybe it's a Dream Mixes concert. Perhaps that's why we're all > standing - we're going to dance. Oh dear, could it be all this techno- > shite some of us worry about (although not me!) > > Roger Hartopp ' Roger try booking a ticket for the unreserved seating / standing in the First Level. I am doing that this time. I know what you mean about standing up all that time. After a long day in London standing up is not easy, especially when some of the others are taller than you....just joking tall people. I expect my daughter is going to want to go, so seating is better. I remember at the last Klaus Schulze concert I went to, we were all getting older and people were turning up with their entire families. TD lets' have some seats. David From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Another Newcomer James said 'Dear All, I have been following the list for some time now and have posted one or two replies but now i would like to formally introduce myself.' Welcome. Hey we share the same musical interests, but I am not so much a fan as I was of JMJ. Enjoy the list David From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? I bought each set as it came out except for the silver edition which I have on CDR. I enjoy all of the sets but I was not really happy about duplicating a couple of the disc when I got the last 10 of what is the Ultimate Edition. If you are thinking you want them it is probably the best way to get all of them if you have none. It is very hard to find the Silver, Historic, and Jubille Editions by themselves as they were limited to 1000 each, if memory serves me correctly. They are a must for any diehard Klaus Schulze fan. Don't miss out, THE HIGHLANDER At 07:32 AM 1/23/01 -0800, you wrote: >i'm curious who's bought the 50 cd set, what you >thought, and where i can find other reviews. i checked >his official site but could only find brief fan >messages. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25794 Re: reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? Kees Wed 1/24/2001 3 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:13 pm Subject: Re: Shepards Bush seating > 'Glynn Naughton' > >Roger: > > >IF I have to go to Shepherd's Bush, well, I don't know about the > >standing thing. I'm 172cm (or 5 foot 8). > > > >This was something I didn't think about or notice when attending > >previous concerts (as I always sat down). I hope you're not all > >six footers... > > Downstairs only is standing. The balconey is unrestricted seating. > You should be OK unless you get stuck behind someone who's tall > from the waist up :-) > > Glynn ...Or get stuck in front of a couple of yobbos who are dressed for a Motorhead show and are in another reality due to recreational pharmaceuticals, causing the female of the pair to randomly comment on the show using the same four statements: 'Sex', 'Jazz Guitar', 'Lights', 'Music'-eventually keeping time to whatever *she's* listening to with her foot on the back of your chair (and you when she misses...) I wish I was going. Enjoy the show!:) goozer From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer Steven: > Well, you've got your work cut out for you, even if you just want > to obtain all the official releases, not counting CD singles and solo > albums! X-0 Well...not necessarily 'complete' collection...how about a 'more complete' collection? One of the things I enjoy the most about TD is that there are so much minutiae to enjoying them. You have to learn periods, member changes, labels, some fifty-odd album titles, and unique terminology ('technoshite') to follow discussions. One thing about being a newer fan (even though I'm an old timer), is that I don't have any favorite albums or tracks yet. I'm still feeling my way around the scene. I have no problems listening to 'Atem' full blast and dancing around the house, then putting on the two 'Tang-go' CDs. Retrospectively, why not let the music speak for itself? Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: -=brian=- Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 2:12 am Subject: Music for sale Hi! I have a couple of Tangerine Dream CDs that I need to get rid of. I've got copies of: Somnambulistic Imagery (2CD) Collected Endings (1CD) 3 Tier Dream Disc 3 (1CD) I am asking $9 for Som Img, and $5 each for the other two. Please email me if you are interested. I also have a bunch of other CDs for sale too -- if you are interested in the full list, please email me off the mailing list for that. Thanks! -=brian=- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25795 Re: Music for sale Joe Shoults Wed 1/24/2001 2 KB 27482 Music for sale olle.rundgren@s... Sun 6/24/2001 2 KB 27486 Re: Music for sale Frank Arellano Mon 6/25/2001 2 KB From: Kees Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 9:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? At 17:22 23/01/2001 -0500, you wrote: > I bought each set as it came out except for the silver edition which I >have on CDR. I enjoy all of the sets but I was not really happy about >duplicating a couple of the disc when I got the last 10 of what is the >Ultimate Edition. > If you are thinking you want them it is probably the best way to get all >of them if you have none. It is very hard to find the Silver, Historic, and >Jubille Editions by themselves as they were limited to 1000 each, if memory >serves me correctly. > They are a must for any diehard Klaus Schulze fan. Hi, An original Music Intemporelle Silver Edition from 1993 is available at Groove for US$ 109.00 http://www.groove.nl The re-issue is available for $ 101.00 All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 2:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Music for sale most of you know that this type of activity is prohibited on the list, but for those of you who don't, please do not solicit the sale of bootlegs on this list. If you have *licensed* music to trade or sell, that's fine, but bootlegs fly in the face of showing any respect for TD's licensing and copyrights. BTW, it is perfectly OK to ask people to contact you offlist. Thank you, Joe Moderator -----Original Message----- Hi! I have a couple of Tangerine Dream CDs that I need to get rid of. I've got copies of: Somnambulistic Imagery (2CD) Collected Endings (1CD) 3 Tier Dream Disc 3 (1CD) From: Strat95@E... Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 6:27 pm Subject: Trades Hello guys, Before my internet provider went ape shit and started billing me for every other member on record and driving my bank account so far in the whole I am speeking Japanese, I was in contact with a couple of people regarding trades. This was just the discussions from last week. Would you please contact me at my work e-mail address. Thank you for your understanding. Neal Frost Edwinfrost@d... From: 'Mike Oles' Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 2:19 pm Subject: New Member I thought I would take this opportunity to introduce myself as a new member to the group. I've been a TD fan and collector of their music for many years. I have most of the official releases, I don't however, have much else. My favorites include most of the releases during the Virgin Years. Looking forward to learning more about Tangerine Drean and their music. From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 4:40 pm Subject: Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder T. Richmond wrote: >Hello dreamers: CDR tree. Sign-ups will be open until January 31, this is just a reminder for those >who haven't signed up yet, or just joined the list and want to get in on it. Hi Tom, I may have missed an earlier posting here. I'm curious about how this all works. I am familiar with the term tape tree and basically understand the branch and leaf thing. But what triggers a trade ? Are the leaves supposed to be in contact with one branch or do the leaves move freely around in the tree? Is there some kind of branch ranking, regarding size of collection and capacity to copy etc.? Would be great with an answer to this before Jan 31st, thanks. And..: To Doktor Strange - I might be able to help you in your quest for Bernard SZAJNER. You are welcome to contact me off-list and... About The Schulze - Silver Edition. I think there were 2000 copies made (right Kees?). Still easy to find reasonably priced second hand copies on Ebay every now and then. I haven't got any of these sets yet, Schulze is best in small portions. Still might be an idea to consider buying. I have a feeling they might end up as ridiculously overprized as the complete private Tapes by Ashra in the future. Then it would be too late for a poor millionaire. /Olle From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 5:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] New Member welcome! > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Oles [mailto:ekimselo@h...] > Subject: [tadream] New Member > > > I thought I would take this opportunity to introduce myself as a new > member to the group. I've been a TD fan and collector of their music From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 5:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder basically, you just contact tom and say whether you can make copies (branch) or not (leaf). He then assigns you to a spot in the tree hierarchy. We will release the full tree structure after the deadline of January 31st. I'm changing the link in our footers to make this easier. click the e-mail link below that is appropriate for you and include your mailing address in the body. We will give further instructions when he's got the tree structure laid out. -Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: olle.rundgren@s... [mailto:olle.rundgren@s...] ... > I may have missed an earlier posting here. I'm curious about > how this all > works. I am familiar with the term tape tree and basically > understand the > branch and leaf thing. But what triggers a trade ? Are the > leaves supposed > to be in contact with one branch or do the leaves move freely > around in the > tree? Is there some kind of branch ranking, regarding size of > collection and > capacity to copy etc.? > Would be great with an answer to this before Jan 31st, thanks. From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 2:13 am Subject: CDR tree Could someone in the know please post a quick reminder as to what is actually contained on the 'Dreamwatchers Tales' CDR. Does it contain the recent 'Electrobeats' show, or maybe some other material perhaps? Cheers, - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25802 Re: CDR tree gnmorgan@b... Thu 1/25/2001 2 KB 25803 Re: CDR tree Joe Shoults Thu 1/25/2001 2 KB 25806 Re: CDR tree Feldon Feldon Thu 1/25/2001 3 KB From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 6:47 pm Subject: Re: CDR tree Chris, have a look at message number 25640 for details... Gary. --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Chris Owen' wrote: > Could someone in the know please post a quick reminder as to what is actually contained on the 'Dreamwatchers Tales' CDR. Does it contain the recent 'Electrobeats' show, or maybe some other material perhaps? > > Cheers, > > - Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 7:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: CDR tree Thanks for the pointer, Gary. I have also updated the Dreamwatcher's Tales page with this info: http://www.tadream.net/musos/dwassets -Joe > -----Original Message----- > Chris, > have a look at message number 25640 for details... > Gary. > --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Chris Owen' > wrote: > > Could someone in the know please post a quick reminder as > to what is actually contained on the 'Dreamwatchers Tales' CDR. From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 7:52 pm Subject: Re (tadream Legend DVD Seems the Legend DVD is popular. Is that because you want it for the music? Do you like the film as well? I liked it. Tim Curry plays a good Darkness. Its surprising to think its the same actor who also played the lead in Rocky Horror Picture Show. Come to think of it............what has Rocky Horror and TD got in common? ..... a devoted following of fans. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: CLOMAN44@A... Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 8:37 pm Subject: Remove my name... Could somebody tell me how to remove my name from the list so that I can stop receiving all the e-mail messages from tadream. I can not possibly read all of them... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25807 Re: Remove my name... GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Thu 1/25/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 9:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] CDR tree Dreamwatchers is a CD of music by members of this list. Some is Tangerine Dream inspired, some is just great electronic or progressive rock music. This is the second such disc of its kind. -Morgan P.S. if it were a new bootleg announcement, you would NOT see it being announced here. >From: 'Chris Owen' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: 'tadream Mailing List' >Subject: [tadream] CDR tree >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:13:06 -0800 > >Could someone in the know please post a quick reminder as to what is >actually contained on the 'Dreamwatchers Tales' CDR. Does it contain the >recent 'Electrobeats' show, or maybe some other material perhaps? > >Cheers, > >- Chris > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 9:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Remove my name... In a message dated 25/01/01 21:29:29 GMT Standard Time, CLOMAN44@A... writes: > Could somebody tell me how to remove my name from the list so that I can > stop > receiving all the e-mail messages from tadream. I can not possibly read > all > of them... > > Go to www.egroups.com and find tadream in your list. Next to it there will > be a pull down options box. Highlight unsubscribe. Then press update. > Tadream should go from your list Information is not knowledge, Knowledge is not wisdom, Wisdom is not truth, Truth is not beauty, Beauty is not love, Love is not music, Music is THE BEST - Frank Zappa 1940 - 1993 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 10:20 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] New Member Welcome to the list of ' Dreamers '. Enjoy :o) Cheers Poul > I thought I would take this opportunity to introduce myself as a new > member to the group. I've been a TD fan and collector of their music > for many years. I have most of the official releases, I don't > however, have much else. My favorites include most of the releases > during the Virgin Years. Looking forward to learning more about > Tangerine Drean and their music. From: 'James Williams' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 12:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend DVD For people in the UK you can pre-order the region 1 disc from www.play247.com for Ł17.99. They dont have a release date but when it is available you will have it within a week. Price includes VAT and delivery. This is an excellent source for region 1 discs for people in the UK. I have ordered a lot of discs from them with no problems whatsoever. James ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:58 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD > It was scheduled for release for the last week in November and it was pulled > indefinately because of problems with the copyright to certain extras on the > 2 disc set. I pasted this news to the list in December. > > -Morgan > > > >From: 'Joel S. Mullen' > >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > >To: ''tadream@egroups.com'' > >Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD > >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:21:00 -0600 > > > >Paul- > > Where can one get that DVD? I had one on pre-order with > >buy.com but they never delivered. It was kind of weird actually, they > >had the description of the movie and everything, release date etc and > >were taking orders for it. Well after the release date came and went > >all of a sudden they changed the description to some Kung-Fu movie > >of the same name and billed and shipped it out to me. I got full credit, > >including shipping to and from me anyway. Does anyone have the > >correct DVD and where can *I* find one. > > > >Thanks! > > > >Regards, > > > >Joel > > > >On Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:43 PM, Paul Fellows > >[SMTP:pfellows@c...] wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't > >remember > > > anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the > > > IMDB... > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom > >Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > >The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom > >Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'James Williams' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 1:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepards Bush seating I remember being at the Leeds Town and Country Club during the 97 UK Tour and a 6 foot plus guy was dancing (actually a rather exaggerated sway) in front of me. So, not only was he occupying over 6 foot of space vertically he also took up about 12 foot of space to either side of him! James ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Hermes Guzman' To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepards Bush seating > > 'Glynn Naughton' > > >Roger: > > > > >IF I have to go to Shepherd's Bush, well, I don't know about the > > >standing thing. I'm 172cm (or 5 foot 8). > > > > > >This was something I didn't think about or notice when attending > > >previous concerts (as I always sat down). I hope you're not all > > >six footers... > > > > Downstairs only is standing. The balconey is unrestricted seating. > > You should be OK unless you get stuck behind someone who's tall > > from the waist up :-) > > > > Glynn > > ...Or get stuck in front of a couple of yobbos who are dressed for a > Motorhead show and are in another reality due to recreational > pharmaceuticals, causing the female of the pair to randomly comment > on the show using the same four statements: 'Sex', 'Jazz Guitar', > 'Lights', 'Music'-eventually keeping time to whatever *she's* > listening to with her foot on the back of your chair (and you when she > misses...) > > I wish I was going. Enjoy the show!:) > > goozer > > > > The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 3:29 am Subject: (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? I may be jumping the gun on this, but any idea when the TD US/North American club tour dates will be? Martin? I won't ask for venues yet--but I sure would like to time my vacation to coincide with a show or two or three. A few others here must feel the same. Given shepherds bush in mid-May, can we expect TD in North America later in May? like around May 26th--thru early June? or? Thanks in advance. --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25812 (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? tei waz Fri 1/26/2001 2 KB 25813 (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? tei waz Fri 1/26/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 3:30 am Subject: (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? I may be jumping the gun on this, but any idea when the TD US/North American club tour dates will be? Martin? I won't ask for venues yet--but I sure would like to time my vacation to coincide with a show or two or three. A few others here must feel the same. Given shepherds bush in mid-May, can we expect TD in North America later in May? like around May 26th--thru early June? or? Thanks in advance. --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 3:31 am Subject: (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? I may be jumping the gun on this, but any idea when the TD US/North American club tour dates will be? Martin? I won't ask for venues yet--but I sure would like to time my vacation to coincide with a show or two or three. A few others here must feel the same. Given shepherds bush in mid-May, can we expect TD in North America later in May? like around May 26th--thru early June? or? Thanks in advance. --teiwaz (sorry if you rcvd several copies of this) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 8:03 pm Subject: Mars Polaris Whilst playing Mars I came across this quote in a local paper.... The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 4:05 pm Subject: Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder >We will give further instructions when he's got the tree structure laid out. >-Joe The winter is making me dizzy and I must have missed a lot lately. I thought of ...well, something else. Still it sounds interesting and I will sign up. Thanks Joe and Tom for rapid replies. Must ask again though, didn't somebody mention another tree project here recently...? /Olle np: Adelaide -75 From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 3:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? Hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but I don't think TD will be in the US again. -Morgan >From: 'tei waz' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com, teiwaz@h... >Subject: [tadream] (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:29:37 -0800 > >I may be jumping the gun on this, but any idea when the TD US/North >American >club tour dates will be? Martin? I won't ask for venues yet--but I sure >would like to time my vacation to coincide with a show or two or three. A >few others here must feel the same. > >Given shepherds bush in mid-May, can we expect TD in North America later in >May? like around May 26th--thru early June? or? > >Thanks in advance. > >--teiwaz >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 8:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 773 > From: 'Glynn Naughton' > Subject: T-shirts etc. > > Ha! I'd totally forgotten about that. I seem to remember Craig > Cordrey turning up at the '96 Shepherds Bush show wearing > his 'dreaming tangerine' t-shirt, though. (Coming in May, Craig?) I > even submitted a design myself which I thought was quite funny, but > for the life of me I now don't have the faintest recollection of what > it was... And I still have the t-shirt! Might even wear it, if I decide to go to London this May. Haven't made my mind up yet. May have to wait until I know where I'll be working (might be in Portsmouth which would make the journey a bit easier). Craig From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 4:18 am Subject: Edgar & Klaus on HOS In some markets this week, the radio program 'Hearts of Space' is featuring the music of Cosmos, including parts of EF's Epsilon in Malaysian Pale and KS's Wahnfried 1883. http://www.hos.com n.p. - HOS [epsilon in malaysian pale] From: gmroger@p... Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 8:46 am Subject: Okay, I'm going! I've just booked my ticket over the web. So, I've decided to delay my return trip to the UK from Poland so I can see the concert on the 12th. I've decided that after spending a long day in London I will go for the unrestricted balcony seating, so, David, I look forward to seeing you there. To all you fans - for those of us who would like to meet up beforehand and say hello to each other, find out what we look like and discover whether we're a sensible bunch of fun loving music fans or a collection of anoraks - I suggest let's confirm the bar, pub or restaurant closer to the time. I look forward to the concert and meeting you all! (in that order) 104 days, 14 hours, 15 minutes and thirty seconds to go... Roger Hartopp -- From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 8:59 am Subject: Shepherds Bush My ticket arrived in the snailmail on Friday. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 7:20 pm Subject: Oktober I can't believe my luck! My wife is suggesting we go to Berlin in October so that I can see TD, my daughter can practise her German and we can see the city we have always wanted to visit. Anyone have any suggestions of cheap accommodation? Does anyone know the dates for Berlin? Who is going? It would be great to meet up. Thanks in advance. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25842 Re: Oktober Heiko Heerssen Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25843 Re: Oktober Rainer Rutka Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 3:11 pm Subject: My Tribute CD Hi All As some of you might remember (early last year) I mentioned that I was recording some TD tracks for a Tribute Album. Unfortunately, the whole deal fell flat on it's face, and it has been left in limbo. As a Christmas present this year, I did a small number of CDr's (on a borrowed Philips machine) for a few friends who had shown an interest in the project. The feedback has been positive, so I though that instead of it staying in limbo for evermore and a day, I would release it to any members of the group that would be interested. This message is just to see if there is enough interest out there for me to do it. I don't yet own a CD writer, but am willing to invest (I know I shan't regret it, I'm just looking for a good excuse) in one. If anyone wants to have a quick listen to some excerpt mp3's, they are still on my old (but defunct) website for download. The address is: http://zozo.demon.co.uk I decided to do the same as the latest project, no charge. All I would require is two 74min blank CDR's. If you are interested in a copy, could you please send an email to: tdproject@t...@netscapeonline.co.uk So as not to interfere with the DREAMWATCHERS TALES, I will not start this until distribution of DT has finished. While I'm on the subject, please support this (and I'm not saying it because I'm on it), but there is bound to be at least one track you will like. I've copied the info for it below: Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?su bject=please include me as BRANCH my address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?s ubject=please include me as LEAF my address is: All the best -- Richard Ford From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 5:18 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Hi Richard, Since you are going to start distributing the CDr, I just wanted to ask if you have composed this music yourself or if they are TD remixes? Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25824 Re: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Richard Ford Sun 1/28/2001 2 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 5:28 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD In message <021401c0894e$5b80dc80$27fb423e@y...>, Glenn Folkvord writes >Hi Richard, > >Since you are going to start distributing the CDr, I just wanted to ask if >you have composed this music yourself or if they are TD remixes? > >Glenn They are my covers of TD tracks. Please look at http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk. All but the Chronozon track will be on it (because it was left as 'work in progress') All the best -- Richard Ford From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 8:13 pm Subject: Correct email address for Tribute CDR Sorry for the incorrect email address. It should be: tdproject.theroom2@n... Cheers -- Richard Ford From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 8:18 pm Subject: right, 3rd time lucky This address SHOULD be OK: tdprojec@t... It does work...i've just tried it Really.... -- Richard Ford From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 8:44 pm Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD > They are my covers of TD tracks. So you are paying royalty fees to TD then? :-) Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25828 Re: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Feldon Feldon Sun 1/28/2001 2 KB 25833 SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Pergamon Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB 25836 My Tribute CD Richard Ford Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB 25829 Re: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Richard Ford Sun 1/28/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 9:07 pm Subject: Re: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD >From: 'Glenn Folkvord' > > > They are my covers of TD tracks. > >So you are paying royalty fees to TD then? :-) Tangerine Ambience I and II didn't. I doubt they even had to get permission. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25833 SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Pergamon Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB 25836 My Tribute CD Richard Ford Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 9:20 pm Subject: Re: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD In message <033601c0896b$27ce2060$27fb423e@y...>, Glenn Folkvord writes >> They are my covers of TD tracks. > >So you are paying royalty fees to TD then? :-) any percentage of nothing will always be nothing. -- Richard Ford From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 5:29 am Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Feldon Feldon > Tangerine Ambience I and II didn't. I doubt they even had to get permission. It depends on what is on those records. If there are cover versions, they should have gotten permissions, by paying fees to their local copyright office. There is one in every country. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25831 SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Glenn Folkvord Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 5:28 am Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Richard, > any percentage of nothing will always be nothing. You misunderstand. Without paying the relevant fees you dont have permission to distribute cover versions/remixes. It is not about you making a profit or not. Permission is given automatically when the relevant fees have been paid. Are you forgetting that TDI officials read this list? I have organized a Jarre tribute with cover versions so I know a little about this. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 11:07 am Subject: Klaus Schulze Concert Hi all, here a message for all Klaus Schulze Fan`s: he will perform at the 'Klangart Festival' in Osnabrück/Germany -Stadthalle on Saturdaythe 09th of June 2001 at 8.00 pm. Ticket`s you can order at end of february under: +49-541-349024 or www.osnabrueck.de/klangart Original message of this you found at the new issue of the KS Circle published by KDM. Regards Heiko from Burg/Germany please look at my Tangerine dream Fan Homepage: www.opticaldream.de/dream [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25835 Re: Klaus Schulze Concert Michal Moroz Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB 25877 Re: Klaus Schulze Concert AirWave Thu 2/1/2001 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 1:41 pm Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] Tangerine Ambience I and II didn't. I doubt they even had to get permission. -Morgan Hello Morgan Whatever gave you that idea????? of course they paid royalties to TD, and yes, they got permission. I am currently under the same Record-company as these guys which made TD ambience 1 & 2, and as far as I know, they did. Regards Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25836 My Tribute CD Richard Ford Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB From: 'Rimas Lazutka' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 4:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Another Newcomer Hello, James, that was nice to discover you i listen to fsol as well as orb i have a question for ya do you consider fsol's 'lifeforms' as a reinvention of old TD's style for new generations Thanks in advance, Rimas Lazutka Get your small business started at Lycos Small Business at http://www.lycos.com/business/mail.html From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 2:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Concert >Hi all, >here a message for all Klaus Schulze Fan`s: >he will perform at the 'Klangart Festival' in Osnabrück/Germany -Stadthalle on Saturdaythe 09th of June 2001 at 8.00 >pm. >Ticket`s you can order at end of february under: >+49-541-349024 or www.osnabrueck.de/klangart What a pity, more than 10-12 hours away is a bit to far away for me. If the concert was in Munich I would go. Michal From: Richard Ford Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 6:08 pm Subject: My Tribute CD Can anyone recommend the best way to contact TD themselves so I can clear this up. Until further notice, any offer of 'TRIBUTE' is cancelled. Sorry -- Richard Ford From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush 12 May Hi all, As I was at Shepherd's Bush in '96 but didn't meet anyone from this list because I didn't have a computer at the time and hence didn't know any of you, can I take this opportunity to suggest something: Could everyone who is going please drop me a quick message, giving a few details about yourselves (name, how long you've been a fan, which country you come from, how you can be identified at the concert and/or where you would like to meet up before the concert, stuff like that). Of course, you are not obliged to do this, and anyone who wishes to remain just a face in the crowd can ignore this message, but it would be great to get to know as many people as possible, especially as I'm coming from France and will be by myself this time (last time my fiancée complained about having to stand up for 3 hours, and she doesn't want to repeat the experience!) Cheers all, Paul Fellows http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25839 Re: Shepherd's Bush 12 May Geir Smedsrud Mon 1/29/2001 4 KB 26150 Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - Rainer Rutka Tue 2/27/2001 2 KB 34637 Anthology 3 CD-PROMO set, new TD sampler 'Journey Rainer Rutka Mon 7/1/2002 3 KB 34647 Re: Anthology 3 CD-PROMO set, new TD sampler 'Jou Gustavo Jobim Tue 7/2/2002 2 KB 34662 Re: Anthology 3 CD-PROMO set, new TD sampler 'Jou heineu Tue 7/2/2002 3 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 2:39 am Subject: Shepherd's Bush Hi everyone, Just a spot of heavy irony for you all to consider...... A year or two ago, TDI ended their information-support to independently-run fanzines such as Dream Collector, citing the fact that any and all information surrounding Tangerine Dream, their music, releases, concerts and other activities could be accessed from their website; a sound idea in principle. That is, until we consider the fact that many of us, including myself, already have tickets for a concert which, had I relied solely on their website for information, I would, to this day, know absolutely nothing about. Still, roll on May 12th! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26021 Shepherd's Bush Scott Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 7:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush 12 May Bon Soir Paul, good idea. My name is Geir Smedsrud, currently from Oslo, Norway. I have been a fan since I discovered TD during my military stint in -86. Currently working as a clerk in an government agency, namely the directorate for the prevention of drugs- and alcohol misuse :-) I do drink, thoug... I have been on and off this mailinglist since, about -94 I guess, but I have never been the most vocal. I'm not a collector either per see, but that could change. If you're assembling mug-shots you could grab mine from my miserable and underdeveloped homepage at http://home.online.no/~rsmedsru/pics/MEG.GIF I plan to come in on friday and leave monday, but I won't reserve anything untill it's officially ON. I plan to stay in the Sheperds Bush - Hammersmith area, but I don't know the local water holes, so I leave it up to someone else to suggest a meeting place. ABTW, I am coming alone too. Keep us informed, will you :-) Geir At 19:05 29.01.01 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all, > >As I was at Shepherd's Bush in '96 but didn't meet anyone from this list >because I didn't have a computer at the time and hence didn't know any of >you, can I take this opportunity to suggest something: > >Could everyone who is going please drop me a quick message, giving a few >details about yourselves (name, how long you've been a fan, which country >you come from, how you can be identified at the concert and/or where you >would like to meet up before the concert, stuff like that). > >Of course, you are not obliged to do this, and anyone who wishes to remain >just a face in the crowd can ignore this message, but it would be great to >get to know as many people as possible, especially as I'm coming from France >and will be by myself this time (last time my fiancée complained about >having to stand up for 3 hours, and she doesn't want to repeat the >experience!) > >Cheers all, > >Paul Fellows > >http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html Best Regards Geir From: 'James Williams' Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 2:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush Mine Arrived This morning J. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Foster' To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 8:59 AM Subject: [tadream] Shepherds Bush > My ticket arrived in the snailmail on Friday. > > David > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: fstephe@a... Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 1:26 am Subject: stuff for sale I have some rare tapes for sale. If anybody is interested please e-mail me privately for a list. The groups include Three, ELPowell, Genesis, Marillion, Tangerine Dream, Mike Oldfield. I am not gauging the prices. I am trying to find good homes for them and just want to recoup the price of the tape and postage that I paid. Thanks. From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 8:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Oktober David Foster schrieb: > Anyone have any suggestions of cheap accommodation? Does anyone know the dates for Berlin? Who is going? It would be great to meet up. Hi Gang, the concert will be on Sunday, October 7th and I'll be there. As usual I will wear my old 'Rocket to Russia' t-shirt (does anyone on this list know the Ramones...? ;-) I don't know any cheap accomodation, but as far I remember the city of Bernau has its own homepage and there was also a listing of guest houses and hotels. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25843 Re: Oktober Rainer Rutka Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 8:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Oktober On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > ..the concert will be on Sunday, October 7th and I'll be there. As usual I will wear my old 'Rocket to Russia' t-shirt (does anyone on this list know the Ramones...? ;-) :-) Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:23 am Subject: What! it's turning brown! Hello all, first, sorry to post a private post on the group yesterday, but nothing in it is a secret :-) secondly, my copy of the rubycon-cd is turning into a nice brown colour. Is this a known property of cds? As far as I know it's the only one that I have that does this. It plays ok still, and I hope it will continue to because it's my favorite. Med vennlig hilsen Geir Smedsrud Avdeling for engros- og tilvirkningsbevillinger Rusmiddeldirektoratet Tlf. 22 24 65 54 geir.smedsrud@r... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25848 Re: What! it's turning brown! Alexander Bjelke Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25849 Re: What! it's turning brown! Antonio Nunes Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25852 Re: What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25850 Re: What! it's turning brown! Phil White Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25853 Re: What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25858 Re: What! it's turning brown! PENFOLD Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB 25851 Re: What! it's turning brown! Vincent Goudreault Tue 1/30/2001 3 KB 25854 Re: What! it's turning brown! Steve Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25857 Re: What! it's turning brown! Steve Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 1:24 pm Subject: ebay auction hi everyone i have listed a few of my spare TD items on ebay please have a look,there may be something you need!!! http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=duncan41&includ\ e=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: mckee17@m... Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 1:26 pm Subject: ebay items hi again the link is not working just search under my ebay name duncan41 thanks From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 1:41 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Oktober On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > ..the concert will be on Sunday, October 7th and I'll be there. This is a TD concert? What city? Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25868 SV: [tadream] Oktober Glenn Folkvord Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 5:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! > > Hello all, > > first, sorry to post a private post on the group yesterday, but nothing in > it is a secret :-) > > secondly, my copy of the rubycon-cd is turning into a nice brown > colour. Is > this a known property of cds? As far as I know it's the only one > that I have > that does this. It plays ok still, and I hope it will continue to because > it's my favorite. CD's will only last for 30+ years (depends on a lot of factors, like light, humidity and such) -The myth that they will last forever is not true. But I don't know if thats what happening to your disc though... regards Alexander From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 5:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud wrote: > > secondly, my copy of the rubycon-cd is turning into a nice brown colour. Is > this a known property of cds? As far as I know it's the only one that I have > that does this. It plays ok still, and I hope it will continue to because > it's my favorite. Hello Geir, nice to see you again on tadream. If I were you, I would make a CDR copy of that brown Rubycon before it's too late. Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25852 Re: What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 6:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! I checked my copy of Rubycon purchased in 1984 and IT isn't turning brown ( well not yet anyway... ) This is a new phenomenon to me at least. Have any other Dreamers encountered this bizzare development ? I also played it whilst I had it off the shelf and enjoyed listening to it with real pleasure after some of the not-quite-so-good recent releases ( IMO ). ATB Phil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25853 Re: What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25858 Re: What! it's turning brown! PENFOLD Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB From: Vincent Goudreault Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 9:49 pm Subject: Re: What! it's turning brown! tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > Message: 16 > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:50:24 -0000 > From: 'Phil White' > Subject: Re: What! it's turning brown! > > I checked my copy of Rubycon purchased in 1984 and IT isn't turning brown > ( well not yet anyway... ) > This is a new phenomenon to me at least. > Have any other Dreamers encountered this bizzare development ? > I also played it whilst I had it off the shelf and enjoyed listening to it > with real > pleasure after some of the not-quite-so-good recent releases ( IMO ). > > ATB Phil > Very strange. My copy has ALWAYS had some sort of a golden tint into it, but it hasn't changed over the last 10 years... Unless that would be Ricochet... I always end up listening to those two back to back. C.B.V. Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25854 Re: What! it's turning brown! Steve Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25857 Re: What! it's turning brown! Steve Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 9:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! Thanks Antonio, that was indeed a good idea! Hope you're well on your island paradise my friend :-). I have no plans to vacate this list for a while now. At 17:02 30.01.01 +0000, you wrote: >Hello Geir, nice to see you again on tadream. If I were you, I would >make a CDR copy of that brown Rubycon before it's too late. > >Antonio Nunes > Best Regards Geir From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! I tried to scan the cd to show you how it looks. It is only on the text-side it has the tinge, and while the scan is less than perfect, you can clearly see the redish - brown tinge. I uploaded the picture for those of you who want to take a look, it's about 65k. http://home.online.no/~rsmedsru/pics/rubycon.png Best regards, Geir At 18:50 30.01.01 +0000, you wrote: >I checked my copy of Rubycon purchased in 1984 and IT isn't turning brown >( well not yet anyway... ) >This is a new phenomenon to me at least. >Have any other Dreamers encountered this bizzare development ? >I also played it whilst I had it off the shelf and enjoyed listening to it >with real pleasure after some of the not-quite-so-good recent releases ( IMO ). ATB Phil From: 'Steve' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: What! it's turning brown! I've had several CDs acquire a brown tinge over the years. Some play, some don't. I remember hearing that there were problems in one or more pressing plants that caused this. Off the top of my head brown CDs include a few on the Island label, the Velvet Underground's Another View and the first version of Peter Hammill's 'Fall of the House of Usher'. In the case of the latter I think the record company actually recognised the problem and offered to replace copies as long as they had stocks. Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25857 Re: What! it's turning brown! Steve Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: Winston Edmond Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:51 pm Subject: Re: What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud : > my copy of the rubycon-cd is turning into a nice brown colour. > Is this a known property of cds? Tell your Significant Other that not liking that sort of music doesn't excuse using the CD as a coffee cup coaster. :-) -WBE From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:56 pm Subject: Re: What! it's turning brown! >I checked my copy of Rubycon purchased in 1984 and IT isn't turning brown >( well not yet anyway... ) >This is a new phenomenon to me at least. >Have any other Dreamers encountered this bizzare development ? My copy of White Eagle, the first TD studio album I bought (bought extracts from Poland the same day), is the old version with framed cover. I hate that cover. It has always been brown since I bought it, and I think that colour is kinda cool. It seems to have been made that way, because it's really very brown, specially on the edges. It looks really burnt. My copy of Tangram is also the old one, but it looks 'not-brown'. I have quite a few CDRs, not-so-good-quality CDRs, that are also turning brown with time (or with use?). Their printed surface is (used to be) plain white, now it's getting a brownish colour. gustavo jobim gustavfj@m... From: 'Steve' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 11:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: What! it's turning brown! I said: > I've had several CDs acquire a brown tinge over the years Now I come to think of it, I'm sure I've heard the process described as 'bronzing'... Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 12:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! At 01.01.30-18:50, Phil White wrote: >Have any other Dreamers encountered this bizzare development ? My copy of _White Eagle_ seems to suffering from the same malady Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 11:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! Hello! It make 19years that i have this record and 'no problemo'with(&like others),and i play-played it since 82. I suggest to you AS Tangerine Dream 'fan', AS Dj (like me) to acquire a VYNIL copy ( just to 'smell'the fantastic feeling of one of numerous 'apogee'of T.D. with the carton-cover & the normal-good-cracking of LP.) ERICK aka Döktor STRANGE & Tzi cosmik UNITY ( Atmo-Trance Live-Act & Ambient Mix-3sources) From: Tom Richmond Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 1:49 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for participation Hello again everyone: This is the last call for sign-ups for the 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' 2-CDR tree. Details, including a track listing can be found at www.tadream.net . If you'd like to participate, please send an email with your name and snail mail address to tmrtree@h... . At this time we have more branches than necessary so all further sign-ups will be added as leaves. Any questions, please email me at the above address. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25879 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for particip Eric Rochon Thu 2/1/2001 2 KB 25884 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for particip Joe Shoults Fri 2/2/2001 2 KB 25885 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for particip Eric Rochon Fri 2/2/2001 2 KB 25886 White Cloths Steve Fri 2/2/2001 2 KB 25887 Canyon Dreams - Franke credit Roy Teale Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 7:51 am Subject: Conventional steel layer CDs oxidize (rust) On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:23:36 -0000 'Steve' writes: > >I've had several CDs acquire a brown tinge over the years >Now I come to think of it, I'm sure I've heard the process >described as 'bronzing'... Lessee, unless I'm wrong, it's merely visually blatant oxidation of the steel layer of the disc laminated inside the plastic. Conventional record company-released CDs only have an optimal playback life of 5 years, after which the steel begins to oxidize so much that signal loss begins to be an issue. Gold CDs, however, have a projected optimal playback life of 80-120 years. By oxidation, I basically mean rust. That's why the CDs are turning brown. I'm surprised that they don't turn dark orange instead. -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - Quip: 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.' --Albert Einstein Another: 'Science is to investigate the unexplained, not to 'explain' the uninvestigated.' --Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist and UFO researcher Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25864 Re: Conventional steel layer CDs oxidize (rust) Joel S. Mullen Wed 1/31/2001 3 KB 25865 Re: Bronzing CDs Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB 25866 Re: Bronzing CDs PENFOLD Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 5:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:03:04 -0000 'David Foster' writes: >Whilst playing Mars I came across this quote in a local paper.... > >The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the >universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. They've contacted us. It's just that our governments think we're too stupid to be told. They're right. -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - Quip: 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.' --Albert Einstein Another: 'Science is to investigate the unexplained, not to 'explain' the uninvestigated.' --Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist and UFO researcher From: 'S.C.Slator' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 11:06 am Subject: Check this out I know some of you are aware of my ventures into musical composition. Over the past year, my music has gone from the dark, barren atmospheres inspired by early Tangerine Dream through to more melodic instrumental music, which I believe will be enjoyed more by fans of Mike Oldfield and Schmoelling/Haslinger-era Tangerine Dream. My new CD, 'The Art of Deception' concentrates on the melodic nature added to past two albums, recorded with MIDI sequencers as opposed to MOD/XM trackers to make the sound more professional. The CD runs for almost 51 minutes and contains 8 tracks, ranging from 4-10 minutes. There are free CD-quality MP3 downloads available at http://www.mp3.com/simonslator which you can download at your own convenience. There are also Low-quality MP3s that can be downloaded on 32-56kbps modems. If you like sequence-based music, you'll enjoy the title track and the 10min long 'Rites of Passion'. If 'Tangram' and 'Underwater Sunlight' are favourites, you'll enjoy 'Domains', and if you like 'Green Desert', check out 'The Last of What Remains'. Please consider downloading the tracks - if you like what you hear, please either consider buying the CD or at least e-mail me (simon@s...) with any comments or suggestions. Thanks Simon Slator http://www.mp3.com/simonslator http://www.simonslator.co.uk From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 5:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Conventional steel layer CDs oxidize (rust) Steven- I thought the metal layer laminated inside the disc was Aluminum, not steel. So it could not rust, just oxidize. And that would only occur if there was damage to the plastic surface or edge of the CD. Maybe some older CDs did use something other than Al for a data layer, but I am unaware of that (at least they never told me ;-) Regards, Joel On Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:52 AM, scfeldman@j... [SMTP:scfeldman@j...] wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:23:36 -0000 'Steve' writes: > > > >I've had several CDs acquire a brown tinge over the years > >Now I come to think of it, I'm sure I've heard the process > >described as 'bronzing'... > > Lessee, unless I'm wrong, it's merely visually blatant > oxidation of the steel layer of the disc laminated inside the > plastic. Conventional record company-released CDs only have > an optimal playback life of 5 years, after which the steel > begins to oxidize so much that signal loss begins to be an > issue. Gold CDs, however, have a projected optimal playback > life of 80-120 years. > By oxidation, I basically mean rust. That's why the CDs > are turning brown. I'm surprised that they don't turn dark > orange instead. > > -- Steven Feldman > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25865 Re: Bronzing CDs Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB 25866 Re: Bronzing CDs PENFOLD Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 7:07 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs >I thought the metal layer laminated inside the disc was Aluminum, >not steel. So it could not rust, just oxidize... Yes, it's aluminum and it's oxidizing. This is a problem mostly found on CDs pressed at the Philips & Du Pont Optical UK Ltd (PDO) between 1988 and 1993. The lacquer used to cover the aluminum cannot withstand the sulphur in the paper of the booklet. When the sulphur has eaten through the lacquer the oxygen in the air will reach the aluminum and it will oxidize. Eventually the CD will stop playing... Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' near the center hole... Full story: http://classical.efront.com/music/guide/society/krs/excerpt3.html Rolf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25866 Re: Bronzing CDs PENFOLD Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 8:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs At 01.01.31-20:07, Rolf Elfström wrote: >Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' >near the center hole... €0.02 that's what's on my copy of _White Eagle_ Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 8:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs Rolf Elfström wrote: > > Yes, it's aluminum and it's oxidizing. This is a problem mostly > found on CDs pressed at the Philips & Du Pont Optical UK Ltd (PDO) > between 1988 and 1993. The lacquer used to cover the aluminum > cannot withstand the sulphur in the paper of the booklet. > (...) > Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' > near the center hole... Thanks for the info, Rolf. My copy of White Eagle (CDV2226) is labeled 'Made in U.K. by PDO' and actually it looks very suspicious, its colour is almost as if it was a golden CD. Curiously the golden tinge is very uniform, unlike Geir's Rubycon. Anyway, it's backup time! Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25869 Re: Bronzing CDs Neal Frost Wed 1/31/2001 3 KB 25870 Re: Bronzing CDs Frank Arellano Thu 2/1/2001 4 KB 26009 Re: Bronzing CDs tom george Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26013 Re: Bronzing CDs Antonio Nunes Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB 26031 Re: Bronzing CDs John Marchington Wed 2/14/2001 5 KB 26036 Re: Bronzing CDs Gustavo Jobim Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 10:19 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Oktober > On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > > ..the concert will be on Sunday, October 7th and I'll be there. This is a TD concert? What city? Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 11:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs Made in UK by PDO is on my inner ring of White Eagle as well. However, mine has not started to turn colors. It has ALWAYS had a very slight goldish tint to it on the top side of the disc. The under side is still silver looking. I am playing it now and it still sounds great! Of course, that could just be that the music ON THE disc is GREAT! Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: PENFOLD To: tadream@yahoogroups.com ;tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: 1/31/01 4:11:22 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs At 01.01.31-20:07, Rolf Elfström wrote: Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' near the center hole... €0.02 that's what's on my copy of _White Eagle_ Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 12:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs Hey Neal, did you receive my two emails. I had to resend them to a different address, because the first ones came back undeliverable. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Neal Frost' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 4:18 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs Made in UK by PDO is on my inner ring of White Eagle as well. However, mine has not started to turn colors. It has ALWAYS had a very slight goldish tint to it on the top side of the disc. The under side is still silver looking. I am playing it now and it still sounds great! Of course, that could just be that the music ON THE disc is GREAT! Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: PENFOLD To: tadream@yahoogroups.com ;tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: 1/31/01 4:11:22 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs At 01.01.31-20:07, Rolf Elfström wrote: Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' near the center hole... ?0.02 that's what's on my copy of _White Eagle_ Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 6:16 am Subject: re: my tribute CD re: my tribute CD It is my understanding that parody CDs don't need clearances (in the U.S. anyway), so you may just change the nature of your tribute CD to parody and voila the problem goes away. Perhaps you can just ape the ambient monkeys CD. --teiwaz (needs sleep--too much live blue floyd last night) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 8:38 am Subject: Conventional steel layer CDs oxidize (rust) - NO ! >Lessee, unless I'm wrong, it's merely visually blatant >oxidation of the steel layer of the disc laminated inside the >plastic. I know nothing about the original problem ('browning' of CDs), but this I know: you _are_ wrong. The reflective layer on CDs is not laminated, it's sputtered. Materials used have been Aluminum and Silver (for the more common, silvery looking disks) and Gold. Certainly, positively, definitely: there is no steel. I've been working for companies that supplied the machines and the materials, so this is first hand knowledge. 99.x % of all CDs are coated with Aluminum, and that's oxidised at the surface already, right after the coating. The process is self-limiting, so all's stable afterwards. The 'best' way to destroy the Al is by halides (Chlorine, Fluorine) from the ink used on the printing side. This actually happend in the early days of CDs, until 'safe' inks were always used. TD's 'Flashpoint' was one of the CDs affected by what was then called 'CD rot'. Playable copies of the original HMI release of Flashpoint are a super-rarity. Even 'rotted' ones are rare, as most have been recalled. cheers, klaus From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 2:30 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] re: my tribute CD > It is my understanding that parody CDs don't need clearances (in the U.S. > anyway), so you may just change the nature of your tribute CD to parody and > voila the problem goes away. When Weird Al Yankowics (sp?), an US based parody musician, use famous songs he does pay copyright fees because his CDs are filled with the songs, he does not hide where the songs come from and he credits the original composers. If he had a stand-up show, used 30 seconds of a song to joke with the artist, and recorded it for a CD release he wouldnt have to pay because it comes under the term fair use, as parody. If a radio station used 30 seconds of a song as a jingle for a show, they'd have to pay royalties because that does not come under the term fair use. If someone were to release a CD with cover versions, be it for a tribute or parody CD, obviously the original composers must be credited and the problem still remains. If the original composers are not credited, it will appear that the artist composed the music and it will be up to the courts to decide if the songs are similar enough to TD's if TDI decide to sue. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25881 Re: SV: [tadream] re: my tribute CD Feldon Feldon Fri 2/2/2001 2 KB From: mengels@w... Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 3:27 pm Subject: see you Hi, I'll be on vacation for the coming 10 days, skiing in the South of France. So if you don't get a reply from me you know why. :-) Later! Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25875 Re: see you Joe Shoults Thu 2/1/2001 2 KB 25876 Re: see you DoKToR STRaNGe Thu 2/1/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 3:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] see you I know you sent that just to make us all jealous! ;-) > -----Original Message----- > I'll be on vacation for the coming > 10 days, skiing in the South of France. > So if you don't get a reply from me > you know why. :-) > > Later! > Marcel From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] see you Not ALL...i live in south of France . Hé Hé! From: AirWave Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 6:58 pm Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze Concert Michal Moroz wrote : >> here a message for all Klaus Schulze Fan`s: > >> he will perform at the 'Klangart Festival' in Osnabrück/Germany -Stadthalle >> on Saturdaythe 09th of June 2001 at 8.00 >pm. Don't know about you guys on the list, but I will be there. My Dream comming true. To catch my fave synth musician live at the same venue as I saw the last great TD concert. I would be great if we could organize a list gettogether in a nearby pub before the concert. AirWave. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 10:14 pm Subject: Bronzing White Eagle My copy of White Eagle has the same problem. I can still play it, but it's so corroded that I can even scratch the media off of the outer edge... Gotta backup it now! Or maybe buy the 'definitive' edition... gustavo jobim gustavfj@m... From: 'Eric Rochon' Date: Mon Feb 1, 1999 11:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for participation Could I join ? Éric Rochon Leaf Canada Thank you Éric From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 12:54 am Subject: Yet another CD Now discount coupon Hi again. There is ANOTHER CD Now coupon available, this time 10 bucks off 49.90, expires february 14. URL is: http://www.cdnow.com/from=red:x:cdn:0131int/from=sr-3836499 -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 8:06 am Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] re: my tribute CD >From: 'Glenn Folkvord' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > > It is my understanding that parody CDs don't need clearances (in the >U.S. > > anyway), so you may just change the nature of your tribute CD to parody >and > > voila the problem goes away. > >When Weird Al Yankovic, an US based parody musician, use famous songs >he does pay copyright fees because his CDs are filled with the songs, he >does not hide where the songs come from and he credits the original >composers. He had a lawsuit over 'Addicted to Love' when he changed it to 'Addicted to Spuds'. I don't know whatever happened to this case. I know the tapes/CDs were not pulled from the shelves. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 1:08 pm Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] re: my tribute CD Feldon Feldon > He had a lawsuit over 'Addicted to Love' when he changed it to 'Addicted to > Spuds'. I don't know whatever happened to this case. I know the tapes/CDs > were not pulled from the shelves. Cases like this can be tricky. Without the permission of the original creator or the one who holds the copyrights, you cannot change a song or lyrics too much. If you, say, are making a cover version or a remix, you cannot just insert a chorus composed by yourself into the song. A credit in the CD booklet which reads 'Composed by Edgar Froese and Glenn Folkvord' could and should invoke a lawsuit unless it was a collaboration :-) Maybe the same goes for lyrics and maybe that is why he was sued, but I suspect Weird Al wrote completely new lyrics for Addicted to Love and just used the melody, and it would be my guess Al got out of the court without paying damages. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 8:39 pm Subject: Solution - Bronzed CDs Hello everyone, I think this is the solution for the bronzed CDs. Following the like posted by , I got to Hyperion Records site and there they gave an email address, and said PDO is willing to replace all the bronzed CDs, with or without audio problems. This is the email I just got from PDO: >>From: Reception >>Sender: Reception >>To: Gustavo Jobim >>Date: 02 Feb 2001, 11:21:22 AM >>Subject: Bronzed CD >> >>Dear Gustavo >> >>Thank you for your E mail >> >>We try to replace all bronzed CD's manufactured by PDO UK >> >>I have all your details and I will attend to the matter ASAP >> >>Please be patient as this can take upto 6 - 8 weeks >> >>Thank you and regards >>GTaylor So all you have to do is just ask for your replacements, sending all the details about the CD (I gave them all the numbers I could find in my copy of White Eagle, including the bar code number), and also sending your mail address. BTW, thanks to you who posted that address! see ya GJ From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 2:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for participation Eric - click a link in the footer below to send a message directly to Tom, indicating whether you will be a branch or leaf. > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Rochon [mailto:rochon@i...] > Could I join ? > Éric Rochon From: 'Eric Rochon' Date: Tue Feb 2, 1999 9:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for participation Thank you Joe Éric Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25886 White Cloths Steve Fri 2/2/2001 2 KB 25887 Canyon Dreams - Franke credit Roy Teale Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB From: 'Steve' Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 11:51 pm Subject: White Cloths I'm about halfway through my second listening of White Cloths disc 1 (courtesy of alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs), the first time I've heard any TD outside of the official releases. I cannot believe that they're keeping music of this calibre in the vaults rather than releasing it! This MP3 is going straight to CDR and thence to the regularly played rack! Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25887 Canyon Dreams - Franke credit Roy Teale Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB From: 'Roy Teale' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 6:36 am Subject: Canyon Dreams - Franke credit Did Christopher Franke officially go by the name 'Christoph Franke' at any time? That's the way he's listed on the credits on the Canyon Dreams DVD, even though it's 'Christopher' on the DVD cover. Roy From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 6:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Canyon Dreams - Franke credit The concert announcers never knew what to call him. In fact one of the concerts (Encore I think) he stumbles and says Christoph... and then drops off and then says Franke, 'all very well known as Tangerine Dream'. He's gone by Christopher, Chris, but I think mostly Christoph. Anyone with more CF knowledge care to chip in? >From: 'Roy Teale' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Canyon Dreams - Franke credit >Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 00:36:19 -0600 > >Did Christopher Franke officially go by the name 'Christoph Franke' at any >time? That's the way he's listed on the credits on the Canyon Dreams DVD, >even though it's 'Christopher' on the DVD cover. >Roy > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25892 Re: Canyon Dreams - Franke credit glynn_naughton@h... Sat 2/3/2001 3 KB 25894 Canyon Dreams - Franke credit Klaus Beschorner Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB From: 'David Foster' Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 7:56 pm Subject: Shepherds Bush So who is going and who has got their tickets? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25890 Re: Shepherds Bush Gary Jenkins Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25893 Re: Shepherds Bush - Rainer will be there Rainer Rutka Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25895 Re: Shepherds Bush Matthew Stringer Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25916 Re: Shepherds Bush horrod6@n... Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 8:33 am Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush --- In tadream@y..., 'David Foster' wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? HI Dave I am in possesion of three tickets for myself and my mate a big fan who is not on line and his other half who quite likes them. may see you in the Moon on the green pub during the afternoon. Cheers Gary > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Thenite0wl@a... Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 10:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherds Bush I seem to have missed out on this gen, having only joined the list a few days ago.... I presume its TD at S.Bush.... when is it please, and the best chance of getting tickets.....?? Paul. From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 11:25 am Subject: Re: Canyon Dreams - Franke credit --- In tadream@y..., 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > The concert announcers never knew what to call him. In fact one of the > concerts (Encore I think) he stumbles and says Christoph... and then drops > off and then says Franke, 'all very well known as Tangerine Dream'. > > He's gone by Christopher, Chris, but I think mostly Christoph. Anyone with > more CF knowledge care to chip in? It's basically the 'Middle-Age Expanding Name Syndrome' that many rock musicians go through. (c.f. Dave --> David Gilmour, etc). I suppose that they think that the longer versions sound more appropriate and dignified for middle age. Also the anglo version, 'Christopher', would presumably be more congenial to the USA market. (The announcer on _Encore_ doesn't call him Christoph. He sez 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese and Chris...'Frank', all well-known as Tangerine Dream.') Long-Name Syndrome is amusing, but at least it's not as bad as those total arseholes who give themselves nicknames. Will 'The Edge' still be known as such when he's a grandad, for instance? What will his grandchildren call him? ('Fucking prick', if they've any sense.) Glynn From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 12:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush - Rainer will be there On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, David Foster wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? > David I got mine 5 days ago :-) !! Rainer (Rutka). C U in London! --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 10:24 am Subject: Canyon Dreams - Franke credit His birth name is Christoph His nickname was and is Chris When he moved to the US, he started using Christopher, to avoid the double 'f' sound at the end of his first and the beginning of his family name, which seemed to trouble his american business partners. That was explained by the man himself in a published interview. Might be the E.Dreams one, but I'd have to look it up. cheers, klaus From: Matthew Stringer Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 5:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush I have and I'll be there!!! On Friday 02 February 2001 19:56, you wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? > > David > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH >my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my > address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Electronic Music' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 4:30 pm Subject: Just 5 minutes Hello : My name is Thalassa and I'm a musician and I'm promoting my song 'Let's fly'. I'm asking you a little of help to get this song higher at the charts at Mp3.com . For you is only 5 minutes but for me is a lot of help. So please if you can ... The only thing that you have to do is going to my page (the url below) and play the song, is easy and only takes 5 minutes. The song is in Jean Michel Jarre style and I think that you'll enjoy playing it. Is the first song of my page. Please help me. http://www.mp3.com/thalassa Thanks for your time: Thalassa Sorry if you didn't want to get this e-mail. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 4:32 pm Subject: From the TD website... >-- Tangerine Dream to play shows in Europe and the USA!!! > >We are in the midst of getting several shows in support of the >upcoming 'Dream Mixes III'- album ready in Europe and the U.S. in >May and June. Many people have been requesting as to why we have not >posted any dates here, yet. The reason is that they are still not >100% confirmed. We will post dates and infos as soon as the >contracts are signed and the shows are confirmed but we do not want >to advertise anything that is not 100% sure. Keep checking this >place for more info - the first dates will be posted very soon! Glynn From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 5:21 pm Subject: homepage update Hi all, I've updated the lists on my hompage. Here's what's new: readme.txt - some more info about 'how to copy CDRs' remcorr.txt - more remarks and corrections added swaplist.txt - updated newstuff.txt - updated and errors corrected mainlist.txt - some errors corrected http://www.caby.de/Music Due to business travel I can't put up a new auction and rarity yet, but this should be up by the end of next week. In the meantime, I'm open to suggestions as to what items from my swaplist you would like to see auctioned. cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26715 homepage update Klaus Beschorner Tue 4/10/2001 2 KB 27876 homepage update Klaus Beschorner Tue 7/24/2001 2 KB 30838 homepage update Klaus Beschorner Tue 12/25/2001 2 KB 33266 homepage update Klaus Beschorner Mon 4/8/2002 3 KB 35268 homepage update Klaus Beschorner Thu 8/8/2002 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 6:03 pm Subject: Re: White Cloths >From: 'Steve' >Subject: White Cloths > >I'm about halfway through my second listening of White Cloths disc 1 >(...) I cannot believe that they're keeping music of this calibre in the vaults rather than releasing it! >Steve Wait till you hear Nostragram (also 1980), with the 20 minute Silver Scale... :) Surely one of the greatest TD concerts ever! gustavo jobim gustavfj@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25900 Re: White Cloths James E. Jacoby Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 8:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: White Cloths --- Gustavo Jobim wrote: > Wait till you hear Nostragram (also 1980), with the 20 minute > Silver Scale... :) > Surely one of the greatest TD concerts ever! > I am greatly intrigued! Is there someone out there who can email me with information on how to get my hands on a copy? James __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 9:09 pm Subject: Mars Polaris Plural Having seen 'Mars Polaris' pop up on so many top ten lists over the last few months, I finally went out and picked up my copy of it. After a couple of listens I thought it was good, but not nearly as good as I had been led to believe. It had some nice tracks, but a lot of it sounded like typical Miramar-era TD (which is likeable, don't get me wrong). I guess you could color me a little disappointed. One of my favorite tracks was the uncredited 11th track. Since when does TD do uncredited tracks? Then one morning, before I opened my store for business (I manage a music store), I popped it into the store CD player to listen to while getting ready. I only have a few discs in stock, and I was in the mood for something more contemporary from their catalog. Huh? What? This doesn't sound familiar... was I just really tired the few times I listened to my copy? I could swear this is very very different... wow, this is damned good! How did I not take to this the first time around? This is really odd... wait, that track sounded familiar, but most of these others don't. Something strange was definitely afoot, so I ran out to my car and grabbed my copy of MP to compare... sure enough, even though the markings on both discs were identical, they were completely different discs! I figured they must've accidentally printed a different album on the disc, but then I heard some of the tunes I recognized... I was confused. There were at least 3 songs that were common on both discs, though in different sequences... but for the most part, it was different! And better! Very better! And the store copy had no uncredited 11th track. So now I pose the question to you all: what happened? How did I get a misprinted disc that still included a few of the correct songs? And which disc did I get? James __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25902 Re: Mars Polaris Plural Jared White Sat 2/3/2001 3 KB 25903 Re: Mars Polaris Plural Feldon Feldon Sat 2/3/2001 5 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 9:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Mars Polaris Plural > -----Original Message----- > From: James E. Jacoby [mailto:galador@y...] > So now I pose the question to you all: what happened? How did I get > a misprinted disc that still included a few of the correct songs? > And which disc did I get? I'm sure you'll get about five gazillion replies to this, but, basically, there was a pressing error at the factory and a very few of the Mars Polaris discs contained a TDI demo made up of a few Mars Polaris tracks as well as some tracks from the Great Wall of China soundtrack which is a lot more like the Mirarmar-era stuff. Go to the TDI Web site -- at the bottom of the main page they talk all about it. I'm not sure what you could do, other than see if you can return your copy of the CD for another one. Or keep it as a collector's item! :) Take care, Jared P. S. The *real* Mars Polaris album is, indeed, very good. It may take a few objective listens to really get into it, though -- sort of like Logos for me. It took a *long* time for me to like Logos, believe it or not. Whereas I liked Tangram instantly! From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 10:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris Plural Hang on to that disc!!!! That 11 track disc is in demand for its rarity! >From: 'James E. Jacoby' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Mars Polaris Plural >Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:09:13 -0800 (PST) > >Having seen 'Mars Polaris' pop up on so many top ten lists over the >last few months, I finally went out and picked up my copy of it. > >After a couple of listens I thought it was good, but not nearly as >good as I had been led to believe. It had some nice tracks, but a >lot of it sounded like typical Miramar-era TD (which is likeable, >don't get me wrong). I guess you could color me a little >disappointed. One of my favorite tracks was the uncredited 11th >track. Since when does TD do uncredited tracks? > >Then one morning, before I opened my store for business (I manage a >music store), I popped it into the store CD player to listen to while >getting ready. I only have a few discs in stock, and I was in the >mood for something more contemporary from their catalog. > >Huh? What? This doesn't sound familiar... was I just really tired >the few times I listened to my copy? I could swear this is very very >different... wow, this is damned good! How did I not take to this >the first time around? This is really odd... wait, that track >sounded familiar, but most of these others don't. > >Something strange was definitely afoot, so I ran out to my car and >grabbed my copy of MP to compare... sure enough, even though the >markings on both discs were identical, they were completely different >discs! > >I figured they must've accidentally printed a different album on the >disc, but then I heard some of the tunes I recognized... I was >confused. There were at least 3 songs that were common on both >discs, though in different sequences... but for the most part, it was >different! And better! Very better! And the store copy had no >uncredited 11th track. > >So now I pose the question to you all: what happened? How did I get >a misprinted disc that still included a few of the correct songs? >And which disc did I get? > >James > > >__________________________________________________ >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Chris Richards Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 11:06 am Subject: Re: Encore intro <> I always thought it was 'They are all known as Tangerine Dream'. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25912 Re: Encore intro olle.rundgren@s... Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB 25914 Re: Encore intro scfeldman@j... Mon 2/5/2001 3 KB 25922 Re: Encore intro Phil Wingfield Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB 25926 Re: Encore intro again James E. Jacoby Tue 2/6/2001 2 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 5:26 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Shepherds Bush Hi all, For your info, here's the beginnings of a list of people who are or might be going to Shepherd's Bush on 12 May: Matthew Stringer (UK) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Paul 'the Night Owl' (UK?) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) David Foster (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Michael Jean (USA, not sure) Already quite a cosmopolitan bunch. Perhaps we should warn the Moon on the Green pub in advance to make sure they don't run out of Guinness... Anyone who's going and isn't mentioned above, please get in touch! Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25907 Re: Re : [tadream] Shepherds Bush Brian Stewart Sun 2/4/2001 2 KB 25915 Re: Re : [tadream] Shepherds Bush Joe Shoults Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 1:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush So who is going and who has got their tickets? David Two of us are coming from Scotland. Got the tickets last weekend. Hope to meet some of you before the show. Has anyone else been bothered today by a spammer offering a 'rare' Russian compilation of TD studio albums? I hope TD's lawyers catch-up with him! Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25908 Re: Shepherds Bush Rainer Rutka Sun 2/4/2001 2 KB 25909 Re: Shepherds Bush glynn_naughton@h... Sun 2/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] Shepherds Bush Hi My last reply seems to have bombed! There are two of us coming from Scotland, Brian & Steve. Looking forward to meeting you. Guinness will do nicely! Best Wishes Brian ----------------------- Hi all, For your info, here's the beginnings of a list of people who are or might be going to Shepherd's Bush on 12 May: Matthew Stringer (UK) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Paul 'the Night Owl' (UK?) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) David Foster (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Michael Jean (USA, not sure) Already quite a cosmopolitan bunch. Perhaps we should warn the Moon on the Green pub in advance to make sure they don't run out of Guinness... Anyone who's going and isn't mentioned above, please get in touch! Paul _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Brian Stewart wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? It's onto my computer screen! So I can't forget. Just have to reserve a hotel not too far from the SBE. Can anybody provide me a good one (name of the hotel)? Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 7:46 pm Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush --- In tadream@y..., 'Brian Stewart' wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? > David I'll be there. However, it now looks as if my 3-and-a-half-year stint as an _incola Londini_ might be coming to an end, so instead of a short ride on the Tube I'll be coming across from Grenoble, France. I'm still debating whether a 20% drop in salary is an acceptable price to pay for expanding my horizons a bit and learning to speak French, but I think I'm gonna go for it... It just occured to me that May 12 is probably Cup Final day, so the Moon on the Green pub is likely to be pretty packed. Glynn From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: Accomodation in London Hi Rainer and others, I have done some research on the subject and has come up with some options. There are at least 5 bed and breakfast hotels in a row just a few hundred meters south of the empire on Sheperds Bush Road: Dalmacia Hotel, http://www.cityscan.co.uk/sites/3247 , Ł39-59-79 Star Hotel, Ł35-55-95 Hotel Orlando, http://www.hotelorlando.co.uk/home.htm , Ł35-48-66 Windsor Guest House, Ł25-45-67.50 (does'nt take cards) Hotel 65, http://www.hotel65.com , Ł30-40-69 Prices are for single-, double- and trippelrooms. I have not reserved anything for my self yet, as I hope someone would be willing to share a room with me to cut cost. If this is indeed the cup-final weekend it's probably best to hurry up I guess :-) Best Regards Geir Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25919 Re: Accomodation in London gmroger@p... Mon 2/5/2001 3 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 9:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush Rainer We have booked into the Kensington Hilton. Quite near to the Empire, It is mapped on the back of the ticket. The on-line boking page is: http://www.hilton.com/hotels/LHRHITW/index.html Whilst the standard rate, (listed in Expedia etc..) was rather steep, booking up-front with a credit card made it a more reasonable Ł70 for a twin room. There are lots of price/room options on the site and they run a shuttle-bus to & from Heathrow. My past experiences with small hotels & B&Bs in London have ranged from bad to utterly bizzarre! Without recent personal reccomendations I would stick to the chains, you generally know what to expect! Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 11:14 am Subject: Re: Encore intro <> From: Chris Richards >I always thought it was 'They are all known as >Tangerine Dream'. Well, I make it 'better known as..' but I'm old and can't afford to buy batteries to my hearing-aid. /Olle From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 2:13 pm Subject: Sony Topping off CD A while back a tree was started to distribute this CD to fans who are not in Europe. I was on the tree, but nobody ever got back to me. I'm looking for somebody in the United States who could help. Please respond offlist if you can help. Thanks. Frank From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 3:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Encore intro On Sun, 4 Feb 2001 03:06:19 -0800 (PST) Chris Richards writes: >>>The announcer on _Encore_ [. . .] >I always thought it was 'They are all known as Tangerine Dream'. I thought it was '. . . otherwise known as Tangerine Dream.' MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films, SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream, MY WEB SITE http://members.spree.com/molasar/ UFO abduction literature, EBAY http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ and transgenderal issues. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 5:03 pm Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] Shepherds Bush you should see if they will reserve a table for you anyway. if you can confirm that many people (paying customers) at one time, they should be happy to set aside a few tables for you! > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Fellows [mailto:pfellows@c...] ... > Already quite a cosmopolitan bunch. Perhaps we should warn > the Moon on the > Green pub in advance to make sure they don't run out of Guinness... > From: horrod6@n... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 5:16 pm Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush --- In tadream@y..., 'David Foster' wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? > Since the concert takes place on Dave's n0th birthday, we'll be there - it's his birthday treat! (Honest - he said it was what he wanted, and I wasn't standing over him with a pointy stick at the time.) I ordered the tickets a couple of days ago, so I don't actually have them yet. See you in the Moon on the Green. LnH Marion From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 11:53 am Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Encore intro Well I'm sorry but I have disagree with you both, despite the guy's strange accent (some American, but mixed with something else, possibly Spanish), it's definitely 'all well-known as Tangerine Dream' Paul ---------- >De : olle.rundgren@s... >Ŕ : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] Re: Encore intro >Date : Lun 5 fév 2001 12:14 > > < Christoph. He sez 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese > and Chris...'Frank', all well-known as > Tangerine Dream.')>> > > From: Chris Richards >>I always thought it was 'They are all known as >>Tangerine Dream'. > > Well, I make it 'better known as..' but I'm old and can't afford to buy > batteries to my hearing-aid. > > /Olle > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25918 Re : [tadream] Re: Encore intro Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB 25921 Re : [tadream] Re: Encore intro goozer@a... Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 6:30 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Encore intro >Well I'm sorry but I have disagree with you both, despite the guy's strange >accent (some American, but mixed with something else, possibly Spanish), >it's definitely 'all well-known as Tangerine Dream' Maybe there's somebody on the list who was at the concert, held the hand of the announcer but didn't have the money to pay him to follow him home, who can tell us what he REALLY said??? ;) Rolf From: Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 7:20 pm Subject: Re: Accomodation in London tadream@yahoogroups.com napisał (wrote!): > Subject: Accomodation in London > > Hi Rainer and others, > > I have done some research on the subject and has come up with some options. > There are at least 5 bed and breakfast hotels in a row just a few hundred > meters south of the empire on Sheperds Bush Road: > > Dalmacia Hotel, http://www.cityscan.co.uk/sites/3247 , Ł39-59-79 > Star Hotel, Ł35-55-95 > Hotel Orlando, http://www.hotelorlando.co.uk/home.htm , Ł35-48-66 > Windsor Guest House, Ł25-45-67.50 (does'nt take cards) > Hotel 65, http://www.hotel65.com , Ł30-40-69 > > Prices are for single-, double- and trippelrooms. > > I have not reserved anything for my self yet, as I hope someone would be > willing to share a room with me to cut cost. > > If this is indeed the cup-final weekend it's probably best to hurry up I > guess :-) > > Best Regards > > Geir > I plan to stay somewhere around Gatwick Airport as I plan to travel back to Poland the following morning. It might be worth checking when Cup Final day is... Roger Hartopp From: Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 7:24 pm Subject: No panic! The Cup Final is in Cardiff! Bloody Hell! I just remembered! This year's FA Cup Final is taking place in Cardiff, Wales because Wembley Stadium is being rebuilt! No problems with the pub then! See you all down there! Roger Hartopp From: goozer@a... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 7:31 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Encore intro The guy's name is 'Mr. Mota'-he was a dj at the radio station that was simu= lcasting the show. The only thing mixed with his accent was the recreational pharmaceuticals he was on at the time! :) And I concur that th= e quote is '...all well known as Tangerine Dream.' goozer --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > Well I'm sorry but I have disagree with you both, despite the guy's stran= ge > accent (some American, but mixed with something else, possibly Spanish), > it's definitely 'all well-known as Tangerine Dream' > > Paul > > ---------- > >De : olle.rundgren@s... > >Ŕ : tadream@y... > >Objet : [tadream] Re: Encore intro > >Date : Lun 5 fév 2001 12:14 > > > > > < > Christoph. He sez 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese > > and Chris...'Frank', all well-known as > > Tangerine Dream.')>> From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Encore intro Actually it's 'otherwise known as tangerine drem', no spelling mistake. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Richards To: Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Encore intro > < Christoph. He sez 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese > and Chris...'Frank', all well-known as > Tangerine Dream.')>> > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25926 Re: Encore intro again James E. Jacoby Tue 2/6/2001 2 KB From: justin.ludford@l... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: Re. Shepherds Bush First time posting on the list... Just to say - Got tickets to the London Show in May, along with two friends we will be making the journey from Norfolk for a day of browsing the shops, high class food (Burger King most likely !) and top live entertainment. Can't wait... It's my fifth TD concert starting from 1990 Hammersmith and am constantly grateful of the recent frequency of TD's visits to the UK. See you all there!! From the Norfolk branch of the TD Fan Club ! From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue Feb 6, 2001 6:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherds Bush Nice to hear from you again Marion. Long time no hear from. Are you still planning on going to the Okefenokee deal? Hope to see you there. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 10:16 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherds Bush > --- In tadream@y..., 'David Foster' wrote: > > So who is going and who has got their tickets? > > > > Since the concert takes place on Dave's n0th birthday, we'll be there > - it's his birthday treat! (Honest - he said it was what he wanted, > and I wasn't standing over him with a pointy stick at the time.) > > I ordered the tickets a couple of days ago, so I don't actually have > them yet. > > See you in the Moon on the Green. > > LnH > > Marion > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'koulos' Date: Tue Feb 6, 2001 11:43 am Subject: some music ok first of all sorry fot this crosspost i have uploaded the music of a band some friends of mine have made in the past year and i think that those of you that like TD music [especially the older styff] will like too since i am not the writter of the music myself i will not describe it's style any feedback can be sent to me and i will make sure it reach the makers of the music the link in witch i uploaded it is the following http://mandrake.aua.gr/~jkr/Music/bands/MIND_ODYSSEY/ they all are in 128 bits rate i would recomend voyage part I and II all the best to you and your beloved kostas from greece [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Tue Feb 6, 2001 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Encore intro again --- Phil Wingfield wrote: > Actually it's 'otherwise known as tangerine drem', no spelling > mistake. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Richards > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 11:06 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Encore intro > > > > < > Christoph. He sez 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese > > and Chris...'Frank', all well-known as > > Tangerine Dream.')>> I can't believe how wrong you ALL are. All I did was pop in my digitally remastered TDI release of 'The Dream Intros' and listened to the Encore intro through DTS headphones; and clearly he announces, 'Those zany characters, Tangerine Dreaming!' I'm glad I could finally put this to rest. James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: gmroger@p... Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 7:21 am Subject: Re: [Accommodation in London > Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 21:52:32 +0100 > From: Geir Smedsrud > Subject: Accomodation in London > > Hi Rainer and others, > > I have done some research on the subject and has come up with some options. > There are at least 5 bed and breakfast hotels in a row just a few hundred > meters south of the empire on Sheperds Bush Road: > > Dalmacia Hotel, http://www.cityscan.co.uk/sites/3247 , Ł39-59-79 > Star Hotel, Ł35-55-95 > Hotel Orlando, http://www.hotelorlando.co.uk/home.htm , Ł35-48-66 > Windsor Guest House, Ł25-45-67.50 (does'nt take cards) > Hotel 65, http://www.hotel65.com , Ł30-40-69 > > Prices are for single-, double- and trippelrooms. > > I have not reserved anything for my self yet, as I hope someone would be > willing to share a room with me to cut cost. After some thought and a message from Glynn, I've decided it would be more prudent to stay in London, preferably at nearby accomodation listed above. So, would anybody mind sharing? Geir, do you still wish to share? Anybody interested, then do let me know. Roger -- From: Tom Richmond Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 1:45 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales Tree Structures Hello everyone: Following are the tree structures for the 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' 2-CDR compilation. (Details at www.tadream.net) (Please note that both discs require 80-minute blanks.) Branches and leaves are to arrange acceptable trades using the following guidelines: an even trade agreeable to both parties blanks plus return postage any other arrangement agreeable to both parties Note that leaves with a 'B' after their listing had volunteered to be branches, but their services weren't required (yet). If you didn't sign up and would like to get into the tree, please contact the one of these individuals who is nearest you. Or you can contact me and I'll make arrangements to fit you in. That aside, here are the structures: Seed Branch Leaf Europe: Fred Yargui - France - fred.yargui@c... Jorge Figueiredo - Portugal - jorgefig@t... Anotonio Nunes - Portugal - ajogon@n... - B Jerome Salyers - Switzerland - ssaalyersjj@y... Richard Bilek - Czech Republic - rbilek@a... - B Kostas Karlis - Greece - koulos@s... Nicola Cont - Italy - Nicola@C... Jerzy Kapala - Poland - jerzynka@i... Michael Kupczyk - Poland - quichotte@p... Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz - Poland - yavi@t... - B Timo Astala - Finland - timo.astala@n... Ami Hassinen - Finland - ami.hassinen@e... Olle Rundgren - Sweden - Olle.Rundgren@s... Geir Smedsrud - Norway - rsmedsru@o... Mikael Andersson - Sweden - strong@h... Thomas Bertilsson - Sweden - thomasbertilsson@h... Alexander Bjelke - Norway - abjelke@s... Paul Fellows - France - pfellows@c... Rod Jones - U.K. - RJones@c... Ray Hallett - U.K. - con31@t... - B Steve Jenkins - U.K. - steve@l... - B Daniel Fishman - U.K. - dan.cor@v... - B David Foster - U.K. - fozziebear@b... Steven Blakemore - U.K. - SBLAK1SC@s... - B Phil White - U.K. - phil_white@c... P.D. Ridout - U.K. - Thenite0wl@a... Gerry Fox - U.K. - gerryf.home@v... Craig Cordrey - U.K. - craig.cordrey@b... - B Grant Somerville - U.K. - grant.somerville@v... Matthew Stringer - U.K. - qube@f... Richard Ford - U.K. - theroom@b... Alan Stocker - U.K. - sto@i... Steve Yensen - U.K. - Stephen.Yensen@s... North America (and others): Joe Shoults -OH - jshoults@f... Mike Daniels - OH - daniels@l... George Dellutri - IL - dellutri_1@a... Art Walicki - IL - arwjr@m... Craig Chambers - GA - craig.chambers@m... Tom George - TN - eloy-usa@a... James Owens - AL - James.Owens@m... Neal Frost - FL - strat95@e... Dell Outland - FL - AOutland@a... Roger Smith - FL - rogersmith3@h... Vic Rek - GA - tangerinedream@a... Tom Weibrecht - NY - tweibrecht@j... Dan Eberly - NJ - Chemde318@a... Marcelo Gutierrez - NY - tdune@m... - B Greg Waltzer - NJ - gwaltzer@b... Mike Thomas - ME - thomas@c... Oscar Dean - CT - stuntman@m... Steven Feldman - MA - scfeldman@j... Scott Raymond - NY - newage@v... Gabe Yedid - Canada - gabeznooz@M... Kevin Earley - Canada - kevine@c... Eric Rochon - Canada - rochon@i... Frank Stephen - NY - fstephe@a... - B John Gentile - MI - piano_man@m... Dan Garrison - MI - kayleigh@v... - B John McIntyre - MI - mcintyre@p... Jeff O'Brien - MI - krhn1@y... - B Denis Torres - HI - syrinx@m... Tim Lemon - Japan - timl@g... Tom Richmond - WI - trichmond@b... Tim Scallon - WA - Boneheads1@a... Paul Ellis - WA - Synthhtnys@a... Frank Arellano - ID - farellano@s... Bryan Darnell - MT - DarnellBB@m... Thomas Barkhurst - CA - teiwazbarana@h... Patric Donaghy - CA - patricdonaghy@p... Craig Padilla - CA - craigpadilla@u... Alan Benson - CA - albenson@n... Steve Whiteley - CA - steve.whiteley@s... Ken Beal - CA - kwb10@c... Marc Todd - CA - marctodd@h... Roger Jones - CA - rogeraj@e... Dave Brewer - AZ - deibu@i... Chris Monrad - AZ - hpytls@a... Daniel Hobrecht - CO - dhobrecht@h... Bennett Cookson - UT - tadream.bmail@c... Chad Vance - NM - civance@h... Mike Surber - OK - scoobarama@y... Michael Jean - IL - michaeljean@e... Kevin Jowers - LA - kvjowers@i... Jeff Stevenson - MO - greymane@k... Rogelio Cavazos - TX - tranceroy@y... Morgan Marks - TX - feldon23@h... Jon Richards - TX - space_cadet73@h... Carlos Alberto Martinez Salas - Mexico - cmartine@e... John Marchington - New Zealand - johnm@p... John Field - Australia - roganjosho@o... Colin Anderson - Australia - colin_anderson@e... Gustavo Jobim - Brazil - gustavfj@m... If there are any questions, please contact me and I'll get back to you ASAP. Thanks very much to Yannick Edom for all of his hard work assembling this project. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 7:41 am Subject: The gig Hey folks, I am looking for a volunteer to write a review of the Shepherds Bush gig for my EM website at www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows It should be a balanced review, highlighting both the pros and cons of the concert, and it should be at least 2 screens full in Word (or thereabouts). Any takers? Pics would be nice too of course. From: Tom Richmond Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 1:44 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree structures (again, sorry) Hey folks, If everyone's email program did what mine did to the tree structure posting, chances are you couldn't tell anything except that your name's in there somewhere. If anyone would like a copy of the structures in MSWord format, please email me and I'll send it off. Sorry for any inconveneience. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25931 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree structures (again, Joe Shoults Thu 2/8/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 2:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales tree structures (again, sorry) the tree structure is posted on http://tadream.net european tree coming soon. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Richmond [mailto:trichmond@b...] > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:45 AM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'; 'tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com'; > 'electronicmusic@yahoogroups.com'; 'beyond_em@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales tree structures (again, sorry) > > > Hey folks, > > If everyone's email program did what mine did to the tree > structure posting, > chances are you couldn't tell anything except that your > name's in there > somewhere. If anyone would like a copy of the structures in > MSWord format, > please email me and I'll send it off. > > Sorry for any inconveneience. > > Cheers! > > Tom > > ___________________________ > IMPORTANT NOTICE: > This message is intended only for the addressee. If you > receive this message in error, please delete the material > from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you > are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, > or distribute this message or its contents to any other > person and any such actions may be unlawful > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various > Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 7:55 pm Subject: New member Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25941 Re: New member Gary Jenkins Thu 2/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:10 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] New member Welcome to the world of dreamers. Have fun :o) Poul > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > Paul From: 'Steve' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:45 pm Subject: mysterious... I just downloaded a file titled Phaedream - Mysterious Semblance etc and I'm puzzled. Some of the music sounds like it could be Tangerine Dream to my ears but Nico (or a sound-alike) drifts in and out of it reciting a poem. Did Nico and TD ever collaborate? If it isn't TD, anyone know who it is? And while on the subject of erm... unofficial recordings... can anyone point me in the direction of an online discography? Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25936 Re: mysterious... Frank Arellano Thu 2/8/2001 3 KB 25942 Re: mysterious... Nick Adams Thu 2/8/2001 2 KB 25943 mysterious... Steve Thu 2/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New member Paul, you can get in on the Dreamwatcher's Tales thing if you act quickly. It's a 2 CDR set of music by members of this list. It's anywhere from remakes of Tangerine Dream music, to music inspired by them, to simply electronic music they've whipped up. Should be very exciting! And it's free. Just have to send 4 blank CDs (CDRs) in exchange. You just need to join the 'Tree' which is a way of propogating it. Instead of 1 or 2 people burning all the copies (time consuming) accepting cash and mailing (even more time consuming), everyone gets a chance to get it through the formation of a CDR Tree. Each person on the tree who is a 'branch' makes copies for 3-4 people below him who are 'leaves', in exchange for them sending him/her blank discs. -Morgan >From: 'lawlermusic' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] New member >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:55:36 -0000 > >Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . >Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > >Paul > > > >http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler >http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] mysterious... Here you go http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdblist1.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Steve' To: 'Tadream@E... Com' Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: [tadream] mysterious... > I just downloaded a file titled Phaedream - Mysterious Semblance etc and I'm > puzzled. Some of the music sounds like it could be Tangerine Dream to my > ears but Nico (or a sound-alike) drifts in and out of it reciting a poem. > Did Nico and TD ever collaborate? If it isn't TD, anyone know who it is? > > And while on the subject of erm... unofficial recordings... can anyone point > me in the direction of an online discography? > > Steve > > http://www.craftman.co.uk > http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Tom Richmond Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 9:05 pm Subject: Need to get in touch with Jeff Bergman and Brian Frick Hello: Sorry to bother the list, but I'm not getting responses from either of these 'Dreamwatchers' participants: Jeff Bergman - jeffrey@i... Brian Frick - bfrick@t... If you're out here guys, please get in touch. Thanks! Tom Richmond trichmond@b... ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 9:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New member ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] New member > Paul, you can get in on the Dreamwatcher's Tales thing if you act quickly. > > It's a 2 CDR set of music by members of this list. It's anywhere from > remakes of Tangerine Dream music, to music inspired by them, to simply > electronic music they've whipped up. Should be very exciting! > > And it's free. Just have to send 4 blank CDs (CDRs) in exchange. You just > need to join the 'Tree' which is a way of propogating it. > > Instead of 1 or 2 people burning all the copies (time consuming) accepting > cash and mailing (even more time consuming), everyone gets a chance to get > it through the formation of a CDR Tree. > > Each person on the tree who is a 'branch' makes copies for 3-4 people below > him who are 'leaves', in exchange for them sending him/her blank discs. > > -Morgan > Hi , I wish I`d known about this sooner . I`m swamped with work (not complaining) so the leaves will have fallen and died by the time I could get anything to them . Thanks for the offer . Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25944 Re: New member / Dreamwatcher'sTale j.gordon Fri 2/9/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 9:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New member Dude, the list of leaves was literally announced yesterday. You've got time :) -Morgan >From: 'lawlermusic' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] New member >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:14:14 -0000 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Feldon Feldon >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:43 PM >Subject: Re: [tadream] New member > > > > Paul, you can get in on the Dreamwatcher's Tales thing if you act >quickly. > > > > It's a 2 CDR set of music by members of this list. It's anywhere from > > remakes of Tangerine Dream music, to music inspired by them, to simply > > electronic music they've whipped up. Should be very exciting! > > > > And it's free. Just have to send 4 blank CDs (CDRs) in exchange. You >just > > need to join the 'Tree' which is a way of propogating it. > > > > Instead of 1 or 2 people burning all the copies (time consuming) >accepting > > cash and mailing (even more time consuming), everyone gets a chance to >get > > it through the formation of a CDR Tree. > > > > Each person on the tree who is a 'branch' makes copies for 3-4 people >below > > him who are 'leaves', in exchange for them sending him/her blank discs. > > > > -Morgan > > >Hi , > >I wish I`d known about this sooner . I`m swamped with work (not >complaining) >so the leaves will have fallen and died by the time I could get anything to >them . >Thanks for the offer . > >Paul > > > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 10:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New member Paul Welcome, and congratulations! I got my copy yesterday, it is just great. Best wishes Brian From: 'lawlermusic' Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 10:27 pm Subject: Re: New member --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > Welcome Paul just got my copy of Alterstill superb matching up to your other two releases ,cannot wait for your next release which according to smd you are working on at the moment. >Cheers Gary > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 10:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] mysterious... Steve said... > I just downloaded a file titled Phaedream - Mysterious Semblance etc and I'm > puzzled. Some of the music sounds like it could be Tangerine Dream to my > ears but Nico (or a sound-alike) drifts in and out of it reciting a poem. > Did Nico and TD ever collaborate? If it isn't TD, anyone know who it is? > The piece you are talking about is actually Neuronium *not* TD. It is originally from Neuronium's album ''Vuelo Quimico'', I'm not quite sure of the story as to how this piece by Neuronium made it onto a TD Boot, Probably by a bootlegger who didn't know (or didn't care) the difference ! Nick Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... ICQ 44174543 From: 'Steve' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 11:19 pm Subject: mysterious... Nick said: > The piece you are talking about is actually Neuronium *not* TD. It is > originally from Neuronium's album ''Vuelo Quimico'', I'm not quite sure of > the story as to how this piece by Neuronium made it onto a TD > Boot, Probably > by a bootlegger who didn't know (or didn't care) the difference ! Now vague bells start ringing in the distance :) I'm not surprised that it isn't TD, and listening to it with this new knowledge I can still say that it sounds similar to TD, but wrong for the date the filename implied. But, as a long term fan of Our Lady of the Harmonium, I'm delighted to have found it! Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 6:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New member / Dreamwatcher'sTale > I wish I`d known about this sooner . I`m swamped with work (not complaining) > so the leaves will have fallen and died by the time I could get anything to > them . > Thanks for the offer . > > Paul paul, morgen is right, the tree has just been planted... if you want to participate, just send an email to trichmond@b... and let him know... he will hook you up with the right branch and get you going... (i'm a branch and i haven't received my copy yet, so there is still time...) but i did want to point out that i did receive my copy of the Pre-release yesterday and popped that sucker in... i don't mind saying, after one listen through (77 mins) it is FABULOUS... great music... the quailty of music on this CD is really quite high... Dweller in the Mist and Free System Project stand out with two great tracks... if you haven't signed up for the tree, IMH&HO you are sorely missing out... and for all you who are griping about the recent quality of TD releases, there won't be thing one to complain about with Dreamwatcher's Tale, if the pre-release is any gauge... once again (it cannot be said enough), thanks to yannick, tom, joel and the others who put so much time and effort into making this compilation and most esp. all the contributors... it is great... i don't mind saying, i'm proud to have my music side by side with these other artists... really great stuff... if you listen to emusic (meaning besides TD) this 2CDR set will not only compliment your collection, but give it an anchor... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'koulos' Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 9:19 am Subject: DT cd-r project hiz from greece since i am not familiar with this tree format of distubuting music i would like to ask the person beibg the branch in witch i am a leaf to pls send me an e-mail telling me what to do [i know i will have to send him 4 cdr right ??] anyway pls mr branch do send me a notification that i am under you and wait to hear from me after a week or so cause i am leaving on a short trip thats all from me sorry for taking your times those of you that are not my branch kostas from athens [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 10:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member - ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Jenkins To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 10:27 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: New member > --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > > > Welcome Paul just got my copy of Alterstill superb matching up to > your other two releases ,cannot wait for your next release which > according to smd you are working on at the moment. > >Cheers Gary Thanks Gary (and Brian), glad you liked it . I`m not sure why smd are saying that I`m working on another , I have a mountain of other stuff to do first . I did however think of bringing Max Richter (the Arcane member who burnt to death) back to life , as a kind of extention to the Arcane CDs . I can honestly say that the track I wrote as Max , blows the arcane stuff out of the window !! Its geared more toward the 70s TD sound but with Force majeur/ green desert drums etc very powerful . I`ll keep you posted as to when I put the tracks on the arcane page . Paul > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25948 Welcome Paul! gmroger@p... Fri 2/9/2001 2 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member From: 'lawlermusic' Paul Sounds wonderful. Bring it on! Best Brian > --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > > > Welcome Paul just got my copy of Alterstill superb matching up to > your other two releases ,cannot wait for your next release which > according to smd you are working on at the moment. > >Cheers Gary Thanks Gary (and Brian), glad you liked it . I`m not sure why smd are saying that I`m working on another , I have a mountain of other stuff to do first . I did however think of bringing Max Richter (the Arcane member who burnt to death) back to life , as a kind of extention to the Arcane CDs . I can honestly say that the track I wrote as Max , blows the arcane stuff out of the window !! Its geared more toward the 70s TD sound but with Force majeur/ green desert drums etc very powerful . I`ll keep you posted as to when I put the tracks on the arcane page . Paul > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: gmroger@p... Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 9:27 pm Subject: Welcome Paul! ~Here's another letter of welcome, Paul, from someone who's played your 'Year Zero' album on Polish radio, and enjoyed it very much. On those only odd occasions I look at the TD guestbook, I recall you asking about tickets for the Shepherd's Bush gig. Have you got yours yet? If so, I hope we can all look forward to meeting you at the... oh, dang, what's the name of the pub near the place... I'm sure someone will remind us. P.s. Message to my Norwegian friend - I still haven't heard any more news on accommodation in London on the night. I don't want to stay at the Kensington Hilton - it's bloody expensive! The Orlando is full, and Hotel65 won't write back. Still trying, though... Roger Hartopp From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 10:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member Um, Guys, I am very sorry if it seems I have been living under a rock for a while. I am going to ask questions that are probably going to embarrass me, but here goes.... Who is Paul, as a musician I mean? You guys talk as if we should know him. (I guess maybe I should) Who is Arcane? Who is Max Richter? If these are really stupid questions, I am very sorry. But with the talk of the Dreamwatcher's Tales CD coming around, it seems that I should know them. Neal > [Original Message] > From: Brian Stewart > To: > Date: 2/9/01 7:07:21 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member > > > > > From: 'lawlermusic' > Paul > > Sounds wonderful. Bring it on! > > Best > > Brian > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > > > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > > > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > > > > > Welcome Paul just got my copy of Alterstill superb matching up to > > your other two releases ,cannot wait for your next release which > > according to smd you are working on at the moment. > > >Cheers Gary > > Thanks Gary (and Brian), glad you liked it . I`m not sure why smd are saying > that I`m > working on another , I have a mountain of other stuff to do first . > I did however think of bringing Max Richter (the Arcane member who burnt to > death) back to life , as a kind of extention to the Arcane CDs . I can > honestly say that the track I wrote as Max , blows the arcane stuff out of > the window !! Its geared more toward the 70s TD sound but with Force > majeur/ green desert drums etc very powerful . > I`ll keep you posted as to when I put the tracks on the arcane page . > > Paul > > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > > > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > 'Ihave gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, Please keep me here.' --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 12:54 am Subject: DM3 Perhaps Jerome's solo work and DM 3 's will help gain a new audience. My wife, who did her best to tolerate any TD, was stunned to hear the music from the new 12' singles, and actually started dancing around the apartment! She said it was the best thing they had ever done... Hmmmmmm She really got into Spirit of the Czar. Anyway, does anyone think there is a chance for a cd release by DJ Rome when DM3 is comes out? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26812 DM3 justin.ludford@l... Thu 4/26/2001 1 KB 26813 Re: DM3 Gary Jenkins Thu 4/26/2001 2 KB 26818 Re: DM3 TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Fri 4/27/2001 2 KB 26814 Re: DM3 Feldon Feldon Thu 4/26/2001 2 KB 26822 Re: DM3 Heiko Heerssen Fri 4/27/2001 2 KB 26940 DM3 Lawry Simm Sun 5/13/2001 2 KB 27337 DM3 David Foster Tue 6/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 12:57 am Subject: McCartney Connection again Last month's ICE magazine had a blurb about the original concept of McCartney 2. Apparently there was a second LPs worth of material (that apparently circulatng as a boot) that was compared to TD and Kraftwerk in style. Has anyone heard this material? If so, would you agree with that assessment. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25953 Re: McCartney Connection again Phil White Sat 2/10/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 1:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member Neal, since you obviously have been living underneath a rock too long and haven't heard Paul's music yet, you're going to have to add on atleast a couple more CD's to your growing must hear list. Paul has produced a number of CD's under the name of Arcane and Paul Lawler , my favorite being 'Gather Darkness'. Arcane is one of a number groups / individuals who I consider a TD descendants, producing music in the vein of late seventies to early 80's TD. Paul has just released a CDR called 'Afterstill', which not surprisingly has received glowing reviews, one in which I too will soon be adding to my collection. Max Richter is a fictitious creation of Paul's active imagination. A number of us on this list are already familiar with Paul's work. For those of you who are new or unfamiliar with him and like retro TD, I highly advise you to give his music a try. IMO, Paul is a young and talented musician with a bright future. He probably started making music at a very tender age with a rattle across his bars. How's that Paul, did I do good ? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Neal Frost' To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member > Um, Guys, > > I am very sorry if it seems I have been living under a rock for a while. I > am going to ask questions that are probably going to embarrass me, but here > goes.... > > Who is Paul, as a musician I mean? You guys talk as if we should know him. > (I guess maybe I should) > Who is Arcane? > Who is Max Richter? > > If these are really stupid questions, I am very sorry. But with the talk of > the Dreamwatcher's Tales CD coming around, it seems that I should know them. > > Neal > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Brian Stewart > > To: > > Date: 2/9/01 7:07:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member > > > > > > > > > > From: 'lawlermusic' > > Paul > > > > Sounds wonderful. Bring it on! > > > > Best > > > > Brian > > > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > > > > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > > > > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > > > > > > > Welcome Paul just got my copy of Alterstill superb matching up to > > > your other two releases ,cannot wait for your next release which > > > according to smd you are working on at the moment. > > > >Cheers Gary > > > > Thanks Gary (and Brian), glad you liked it . I`m not sure why smd are > saying > > that I`m > > working on another , I have a mountain of other stuff to do first . > > I did however think of bringing Max Richter (the Arcane member who burnt > to > > death) back to life , as a kind of extention to the Arcane CDs . I can > > honestly say that the track I wrote as Max , blows the arcane stuff out of > > the window !! Its geared more toward the 70s TD sound but with Force > > majeur/ green desert drums etc very powerful . > > I`ll keep you posted as to when I put the tracks on the arcane page . > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > > > > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > > included in the distribution tree: > > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > 'Ihave gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, > Please keep me here.' > > --- Neal Frost > --- strat95@e... > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Phil White' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 10:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] McCartney Connection again Can't help with this question but I look forward to more informed thread lines on this as it sounds highly implausible (?) However check out the The Fireman release called 'Rushes' which is indeed Mr McCartney and totally chilled ambient effort and rather good (IMO)..... but lightmonths away from TD and Kraftwerk. Discuss ? Phil ( peeping from behind the safety of the lurkers wall ) Michael A Jean wrote..... > Last month's ICE magazine had a blurb about the original concept of > McCartney 2. Apparently there was a second LPs worth of material (that > apparently circulatng as a boot) that was compared to TD and Kraftwerk in > style. Has anyone heard this material? If so, would you agree with that > assessment. From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 12:41 pm Subject: A new audience for TD? Hello folks, I think I might have inadvertently sent this before I finished it. If so, ignore the incomplete version. >Perhaps Jerome's solo work and DM 3 's will help gain a new audience. My >wife, who did her best to tolerate any TD, was stunned to hear the music >from the new 12' singles, and actually started dancing around the apartment! >She said it was the best thing they had ever done... Hmmmmmm She really got >into Spirit of the Czar. > >Anyway, does anyone think there is a chance for a cd release by DJ Rome when >DM3 is comes out? > >MJ Hmm..I've often wondered how TD could acquire a DM-style audience, assuming that that's what they're trying to do. Let's face it - the average TD fan is a pasty-faced, usually overweight, complacent, dull, early-middle-aged-at-youngest white male - the guy who stood awkwardly on the fringes of the school disco while the confident and good-looking guys were snogging the good-looking girls; the guy who thought that his po-faced talk about his Pink Floyd records would make him seem attractively deep, when in fact it made him seem like an inadequate and pretentious arsehole. (Glynn shudders at memories of himself at 15 - ugh!) The audience for DM-style music, on the other hand, is the young, energetic, attractive and effortlessly trendy crowd that TD-Man has never and can never be a part of. TD might be trying to appeal to a fan base that is about as far removed from its current fan base as it's possible to get - and the poor attendance for the 'Ground Liftaz' launch party would seem to suggest that they're wasting their time. That crowd is never going to care about TD or 'TDJ Rome', and there's something deeply incongruous and a bit sad, really, about overweight thirty- and forty-something blokes listening to techno and breakbeats. Having said that, I'm quite looking forwards to _DM3_... ;-) Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25955 Re: A new audience for TD? Greg Sat 2/10/2001 5 KB 25959 Re: A new audience for TD? Sean Montgomery Sat 2/10/2001 5 KB 25962 Re: A new audience for TD? Jared White Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 1:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A new audience for TD? Too bad Glynn, I thought years ago, TD could have spun the current rave scene. As it is now, Paul Oakenfold and Paul Van Dyk among others are getting credit for their 'thumpified' ambient rave music. Mind you I'm a 22 year old who enjoys the dance scene - even if my choices are reduced to a couple top 40 dance clubs in the town I'm in. TD has given me an edge though, as having understanding of the idea of electronic sounds void of 'narrative content' vocals in an expressive form has allowed me to appreciate the very minimalist forms of dance music. I find it humerous though, to imagine numerous clubbers spacing and drug induced to basically the same sounds and structures of what TD had used in thier early Virgin years period. I think it's a difference in times - the 1970's to the Millenium and mass culture electronic music has different specific roles. The DM is an interesting idea, but I never thought the idea was experimental enough, or fresh sounding enough for me. Even in the day I had never even thought of stepping into a club, the drum and bass breakbeat material seemed 'done before'. Now TD wants to build prominence in the IDM (intelligent dance music) scene with TDJ Rome. Having [keyword] tried to dance to DM 1 and 2 material on my own time, I find it void of what TD had in the Virgin years, thus what dance music has now - a real cohearant simplicity and the use of electronic sounds as texture and rhythm (but often in a acid harshness sort of way). But this isn't to say TD and DM isn't influential - in my attempts to develop a couple dance tracks for a DJ, my work decidedly was structurely similar to some DM material. It didn't have the breakbeat aspect, but it did have aspects of layers of sound and the timing of transitions into new ideas was annoyingly short (argh!). Greg H. > Hmm..I've often wondered how TD could acquire a DM-style audience, > assuming that that's what they're trying to do. Let's face it - the > average TD fan is a pasty-faced, usually overweight, complacent, > dull, early-middle-aged-at-youngest white male - the guy who stood > awkwardly on the fringes of the school disco while the confident and > good-looking guys were snogging the good-looking girls; the guy who > thought that his po-faced talk about his Pink Floyd records would > make him seem attractively deep, when in fact it made him seem like > an inadequate and pretentious arsehole. (Glynn shudders at memories > of himself at 15 - ugh!) > > The audience for DM-style music, on the other hand, is the young, > energetic, attractive and effortlessly trendy crowd that TD-Man has > never and can never be a part of. TD might be trying to appeal to a > fan base that is about as far removed from its current fan base as > it's possible to get - and the poor attendance for the 'Ground > Liftaz' launch party would seem to suggest that they're wasting their > time. That crowd is never going to care about TD or 'TDJ Rome', and > there's something deeply incongruous and a bit sad, really, about > overweight thirty- and forty-something blokes listening to techno and > breakbeats. > > Having said that, I'm quite looking forwards to _DM3_... ;-) > > Glynn From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 1:58 pm Subject: homepage update, new auction Hi all, I have completed the update of my homepage, please visit at http://www.caby.de/Music A new auction has started on the Rarity page ! cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26053 Klaus Schulze Wanted Robert Grabowsky Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB 26054 Re: Klaus Schulze Wanted Kees Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB 26055 Re: Klaus Schulze Wanted Robert Grabowsky Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 5:20 pm Subject: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Anyone know what this is? It appears in CD Services lists for TD. Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25958 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Richard Sat 2/10/2001 2 KB 25966 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST gnmorgan@b... Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB 25967 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Kees Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB From: Richard Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 5:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In message <963t81+8hha@e...>, gnmorgan@b... writes >Anyone know what this is? It appears in CD Services lists for TD. Be afraid... Be very afraid. This is only to be purchased by those who must have everything done under the Tangerine Dream name. It is a story, in German, with TD background music. I bought before I was warned. You've been warned! - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOoV/ETBWmWbUzpzAEQLzpACgpuP4E/vgLFwBZydLZm1RMMPyWMoAoOeY U8a90ZGOetx8asGGYwDwoHo7 =40Sn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25966 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST gnmorgan@b... Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB 25967 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Kees Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 9:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A new audience for TD? glynn_naughton@h... wrote: > Let's face it - the average TD fan is a pasty-faced, usually overweight, complacent, > dull, early-middle-aged-at-youngest white male Ha ha! Speak for yourself, Glynn! While that may represent *one* segment of TD fandom, I think they draw from a slightly wider base than that. I, for instance, was but a wee bairn in the 70s, and didn't even become aware of the band until hearing some of their 80s soundtrack work (although I was predisposed to liking them, I suppose...having been exposed to Pink Floyd, Alan Parsons Project and Vangelis from an early age). At their 88 and 92 North American shows, I saw young tech nerds, old stoners, new agers, and other people who didn't fit into any particular demographic. I specifically remember one woman whose young daughter seemed to have a crush on Paul Haslinger. The girlfriend I took to the show back in 92 had picked up a copy of Optical Race before I met her, because she liked the cover! But your points about the DM style are well taken. I appreciate what Jerome is trying to do, and I even like a lot of it. But all the same, much of what TD does today tends to come across as the attempts of a loser to tell jokes at a party, oblivious to the fact that he's not really very funny. Jerome's techno/drum and bass stylings are far too tame for the dance floor. He's going to have to get a lot more aggressive with his beats and sound design if he really wants to win over the techno community. He'd also be wise to start doing remix work, or something to develop a public profile, and display a real committment to being a DJ. He's also going to have to lose the hair cut. Jesus, let go of the Robert Smith thing. The first DM album succeeded for me by virtue of being a startling (and mostly successful) departure from the increasingly tedious New Age stylings of the Miramar years. It merely injected some of the vigour that had been largely missing from their work since Franke's departure. The beats were less cheesy, the cut-and-paste composing style seemed less jarring. But the band failed to build or capitalize on it. Nothing they've done since has been as exciting. I suspect that this is because once Jerome got the first album out of his system, he had to find common ground with Dad for subsequent music. Mars Polaris is the best attempt at a compromise this that they've found yet...but it's still not trancy enough for the ravers, not upbeat enough for dancing, and not innovative enough for the electronic music community. It's an okay album, but it's not great. I'd rather hear Jerome just go all out with something. Go for the throat. Kick our asses. Maybe DM3 will provide that, but I'm keeping my expectations low. The pieces I liked best on the first two DMs were actually the 'new' ones, not the remixes. So I hope we get less mix and more dream. > There's something deeply incongruous and a bit sad, really, about overweight thirty- and forty-something blokes listening to techno and breakbeats. And something even sadder about those same folks up on the stage making the music (unless they can really deliver the goods, anyway). Edgar's musical interests obviously lie primarily in the neo-classical realm now. Seeing him drag himself on stage, pretending to make hip dance music, isn't fooling anybody. Neither are his comments about TD continuing to occupy the avant garde of electronic music. But I don't care if the music's 'innovative', as long as it's good, and since TD still manages to put out a couple of decent songs per album (well, with the exception of Great Wall of China and 7 Letters from Tibet, which were pretty much uniformly lame), I continue to hang around, hoping for the next Tangram. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25962 Re: A new audience for TD? Jared White Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 9:07 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again Phil White > Can't help with this question but I look forward to more informed > thread lines on this as it sounds highly implausible (?) > However check out the The Fireman release called 'Rushes' > which is indeed Mr McCartney and totally chilled ambient > effort and rather good (IMO)..... but lightmonths away from TD and > Kraftwerk. Isnt there a second Fireman release as well? Maybe that sounds more like TD or KW? Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25961 Re: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again Sean Montgomery Sat 2/10/2001 2 KB 26058 Re: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again tom george Thu 2/15/2001 3 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 9:46 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' wrote: > > However check out the The Fireman release called 'Rushes' > > which is indeed Mr McCartney and totally chilled ambient > > effort and rather good (IMO)..... but lightmonths away from TD and > > Kraftwerk. > > Isnt there a second Fireman release as well? Maybe that sounds more like TD > or KW? Actually, Rushes *is* the second Fireman release. I can't remember the exact name of the first album, but it had the word 'Strawberry' in it, if I'm not mistaken. Rushes is pretty cool. A bit like Eno's 'Apollo', with its addition of acoustic guitar. Very laid-back. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Jared White' Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 7:19 am Subject: RE: [tadream] A new audience for TD? > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@t...] > I'd rather hear Jerome > just go all out with something. Go for the throat. Kick our > asses. Gawd, I hope not. Most modern 'dance' 'music' is utter shite, and this whole 'TDJ Rome' thing is starting to scare the bejeezus out of me. Oops, there I've said it. Oh well, so be it. I guess I'm just one of those old farts (at 18?) who actually likes 7 Letters from Tibet. Jared http://www.mp3.com/distantoaks P. S. BTW, listened to any Clementi sonatas for fortepiano lately? I recommend either the Sonata in F-sharp Minor, Op. 25, No. 5 or the Sonata in B-flat Major, Op. 12, No. 1. Great stuff, if you can stomach it. Whoops, my snobbery is showing again.... From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 6:32 pm Subject: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush Hi all, The number of messages from people who say they are going to Shepherd's Bush on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if you're going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! Just to reassure everybody in case you didn't see Roger's message: > Bloody Hell! I just remembered! This year's FA Cup Final is taking place in > Cardiff, Wales because Wembley Stadium is being rebuilt! > No problems with the pub then! See you all down there! (The Moon on the Green Pub) Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) David Foster (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Glynn Naughton (France) Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) Marion (UK) Matthew Stringer (UK) Michael Jean (USA, not sure) Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Ray (UK) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25964 People going to Shepherd's Bush Richard Sun 2/11/2001 4 KB 25968 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Phil Wingfield Sun 2/11/2001 4 KB 25977 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush lawlermusic Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 25978 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Armin Theissen Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB 26067 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Craig Cordrey Sat 2/17/2001 2 KB 26071 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Michael A Jean Sun 2/18/2001 2 KB 26068 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush James Williams Sun 2/18/2001 3 KB 26117 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Patrik . Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 26122 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Geir Smedsrud Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB From: Richard Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 11:18 am Subject: People going to Shepherd's Bush -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've just had a word with the wife. She is willing to go!! (major miracle) Could someone post the web address so I can book some tickets. Thanks > >The number of messages from people who say they are going to Shepherd's Bush >on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if you're >going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > >Just to reassure everybody in case you didn't see Roger's message: > >> Bloody Hell! I just remembered! This year's FA Cup Final is taking place in >> Cardiff, Wales because Wembley Stadium is being rebuilt! > >> No problems with the pub then! See you all down there! > >(The Moon on the Green Pub) > >Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: > >Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) >David Foster (UK) >Duncan McKee (UK) >Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) >Geir Smedsrud (Norway) >Glynn Naughton (France) >Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) >Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) >Marion (UK) >Matthew Stringer (UK) >Michael Jean (USA, not sure) >Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) >Paul Fellows (France) >Rainer Rutka (Germany) >Ray (UK) >Roger Hartopp (Poland) > >Paul > > > > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, >is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the >distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=pl >ease include me as BRANCH my address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=p >lease include me as LEAF my address is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOoZ1CzBWmWbUzpzAEQLSIQCffHtMu/L/aldMmHEGADHajsRDe4AAoP0o qDzdhWUxKxtglMikpMD7xXT4 =NS8v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: 'John Johnson' Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 2:41 pm Subject: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 For me 7 Letters From Tibet is probably the best album of 2000 both from TD and any other artist. Now wait for me to open my umbrella before you start firing.... Visit the Jon Johnson Homepages at http://jonjohnson.iuma.com and http://www.mindspring.com/~mrj12/index.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25976 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number lawlermusic Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB 25989 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number Jared White Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 25995 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number lawlermusic Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB 25997 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number Feldon Feldon Mon 2/12/2001 3 KB 26003 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number Synthhtnys@a... Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Yikes! Another 'Rumplestiltskin'. Gary. --- In tadream@y..., Richard wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > In message <963t81+8hha@e...>, gnmorgan@b... writes > >Anyone know what this is? It appears in CD Services lists for TD. > > Be afraid... Be very afraid. This is only to be purchased by those who > must have everything done under the Tangerine Dream name. > > It is a story, in German, with TD background music. I bought before I > was warned. > > You've been warned! > - -- > Richard > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 > > iQA/AwUBOoV/ETBWmWbUzpzAEQLzpACgpuP4E/vgLFwBZydLZ m1RMMPyWMoAoOeY > U8a90ZGOetx8asGGYwDwoHo7 > =40Sn > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25967 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Kees Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB From: Kees Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 9:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST At 18:46 11/02/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Yikes! Another 'Rumplestiltskin'. Noooh. Rupelstiltskin is an excellent CD. First the story with the music and then the normal music. Excellent idea and excellent music. Jim & Pablo contains hardly any TD music. And is only suited for collectors. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 2:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush I'm going and so are two freinds not on this list, Phil the lurker. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Fellows To: Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 6:32 PM Subject: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush > Hi all, > > The number of messages from people who say they are going to Shepherd's Bush > on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if you're > going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > > Just to reassure everybody in case you didn't see Roger's message: > > > Bloody Hell! I just remembered! This year's FA Cup Final is taking place in > > Cardiff, Wales because Wembley Stadium is being rebuilt! > > > No problems with the pub then! See you all down there! > > (The Moon on the Green Pub) > > Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > David Foster (UK) > Duncan McKee (UK) > Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > Glynn Naughton (France) > Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > Marion (UK) > Matthew Stringer (UK) > Michael Jean (USA, not sure) > Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > Paul Fellows (France) > Rainer Rutka (Germany) > Ray (UK) > Roger Hartopp (Poland) > > Paul > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 10:32 pm Subject: Return of Lawry Simm, his head's not dim... Hi gang, After a 1 month enforced absence due to a broken ISP, then a month off to catch up with the rest of my life, I'm back to find the marvellous news that TD are playing Shepherds Bush Empire... On top of this, the line up for this years SMD concerts at Jodrell Bank looks rather smart..... Rainbow Serpent Keller & Schonwalder Syndromeda & Stephan Whitlan Ramp & Cosmic Hoffman So, who's going to these concerts? The usual crew no doubt, but any new listmembers? [TD List]Also, I note Gary Morgan says he's 7 miles from Liverpool... Hi Gary.. I'm in Litherland... Finally, please update your address books as my new email address (permanent) is lawrysimm@s... so please don't use the fdn.co.uk one any more as the ISP has died a death. I also lost my address book due to a hard disk reformat (it was the only thing I didn't have the forethought to secure!) so I can't mail my chums with the updated email address.... in fact, it would be handy if my chums mailed me so I can just click on the reply button to rebuild my address book. Thanks! I'm just catching up on the digests and only up to 21/01/01.... should be up to date by the end of the week... any new developments (apart from the TD concert?). Regards, Lawry PS - My AIM account noted below is also goosed as I don't have my password, and they can only send my password reminder to my old email address which no longer works! Nice. What a load of bollocks... ------------------------- lawrysimm@s... ICQ 23267226 AIM - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25970 Re: Return of Lawry Simm, his head's not dim... Frank Arellano Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Return of Lawry Simm, his head's not dim... Welcome back Lawry. *You know* if I was on your guys' side of the pond, I'd be going! Those are some good prospects to see at Jodrell too. You know I'd be there too, drinking some suds with some of my own kind too before the gigs :-) To me, Ramp [ Frank Makowski ] would be the headliner to see, but you never know who will surprise you. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Lawry Simm' To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 3:32 PM Subject: [tadream] Return of Lawry Simm, his head's not dim... > Hi gang, > > After a 1 month enforced absence due to a broken ISP, then a month off to > catch up with the rest of my life, I'm back to find the marvellous news that > TD are playing Shepherds Bush Empire... > > On top of this, the line up for this years SMD concerts at Jodrell Bank > looks rather smart..... > > Rainbow Serpent > Keller & Schonwalder > Syndromeda & Stephan Whitlan > Ramp & Cosmic Hoffman > > So, who's going to these concerts? The usual crew no doubt, but any new > listmembers? > > [TD List]Also, I note Gary Morgan says he's 7 miles from Liverpool... Hi > Gary.. I'm > in Litherland... > > Finally, please update your address books as my new email address > (permanent) is lawrysimm@s... so please don't use the fdn.co.uk one > any more as the ISP has died a death. > I also lost my address book due to a hard disk reformat (it was the only > thing I didn't have the forethought to secure!) so I can't mail my chums > with the updated email address.... in fact, it would be handy if my chums > mailed me so I can just click on the reply button to rebuild my address > book. Thanks! > > I'm just catching up on the digests and only up to 21/01/01.... should be up > to date by the end of the week... any new developments (apart from the TD > concert?). > > Regards, > Lawry > > PS - My AIM account noted below is also goosed as I don't have my password, > and they can only send my password reminder to my old email address which no > longer works! Nice. What a load of bollocks... > > ------------------------- > lawrysimm@s... > ICQ 23267226 > AIM - lawrysimm > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 5:40 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush http://www.ticketweb.co.uk ---------- >De : Richard >Ŕ : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush >Date : Dim 11 fév 2001 12:18 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I've just had a word with the wife. She is willing to go!! (major > miracle) > > Could someone post the web address so I can book some tickets. > > Thanks From: Steve Jenkins Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 11:41 am Subject: Shepherd's Bush/Jodrell Bank I'll be there too, assuming Liverpool's season doesn't come to a shuddering end in the next two weeks - and before anyone asks, given the choice I would go the the FA Cup final if Liverpool get there... I would encourage any Tadream list member who is able to get to Jodrell Bank to attend one, if not all of the concerts set up there for this spring/summer. Some cracking outfits will play - the highlight has to be Ramp though (Jun 23 if I remember correctly) - be there or miss out on what should be a first class gig. Back to Steve Steve Jenkins Director PCI - Xylenes & Polyesters Ltd Tel: (44) 1483 302267 Fax: (44) 1483 306793 e-mail: sjenkins@t... From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 2:46 pm Subject: Homepage update - opticaldream.de Hi all TD Fan`s, my Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage was updated at 11.02.01 - more new entry`s in my collection - more trade item`s - more Concert Recording`s - and ... Please jump to: www.opticaldream.de/dream Regards Heiko Neumann Burg Germany See you London in May !!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member From: Frank Arellano To: Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member > > Neal, since you obviously have been living underneath a rock too long and > haven't heard Paul's music yet, you're going to have to add on atleast a > couple more CD's to your growing must hear list. Paul has produced a number > of CD's under the name of Arcane and Paul Lawler , my favorite being 'Gather > Darkness'. Arcane is one of a number groups / individuals who I consider a > TD descendants, producing music in the vein of late seventies to early 80's > TD. Paul has just released a CDR called 'Afterstill', which not surprisingly > has received glowing reviews, one in which I too will soon be adding to my > collection. Max Richter is a fictitious creation of Paul's active > imagination. A number of us on this list are already familiar with Paul's > work. For those of you who are new or unfamiliar with him and like retro TD, > I highly advise you to give his music a try. IMO, Paul is a young and > talented musician with a bright future. He probably started making music at > a very tender age with a rattle across his bars. How's that Paul, did I do > good ? :-) > Well done Frank , the fivers on its way !!!! Paul From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Welcome Paul! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 9:27 PM Subject: [tadream] Welcome Paul! > ~Here's another letter of welcome, Paul, from someone who's played > your 'Year Zero' album on Polish radio, and enjoyed it very much. Good god , I forgot all about that one !!!! > > On those only odd occasions I look at the TD guestbook, I recall you > asking about tickets for the Shepherd's Bush gig. Have you got yours > yet? If so, I hope we can all look forward to meeting you at the... > oh, dang, what's the name of the pub near the place... I'm sure > someone will remind us. Yes I did thanks , where`s everyone meeting ? My girlfriend was supposed to be coming but she came up with a convenient excuse , so I`ll be there on my own otherwise . I cant remeber the pubs name either Paul From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:14 pm Subject: Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Johnson To: Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 2:41 PM Subject: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 > For me 7 Letters From Tibet is probably the best album of 2000 both from TD > and any other artist. Now wait for me to open my umbrella before you start > firing.... > > Dont worry , we`ll only be firing cotton wool buds at you so that you clean out your ears :) Funny how people have different tastes . 7 letters was for me , the biggest insult TD have thrown at us . Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25989 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number Jared White Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush I`m going as well !!! Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Fellows To: Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 6:32 PM Subject: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush > Hi all, > > The number of messages from people who say they are going to Shepherd's Bush > on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if you're > going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > > Just to reassure everybody in case you didn't see Roger's message: > > > Bloody Hell! I just remembered! This year's FA Cup Final is taking place in > > Cardiff, Wales because Wembley Stadium is being rebuilt! > > > No problems with the pub then! See you all down there! > > (The Moon on the Green Pub) > > Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > David Foster (UK) > Duncan McKee (UK) > Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > Glynn Naughton (France) > Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > Marion (UK) > Matthew Stringer (UK) > Michael Jean (USA, not sure) > Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > Paul Fellows (France) > Rainer Rutka (Germany) > Ray (UK) > Roger Hartopp (Poland) > > Paul > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25978 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Armin Theissen Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 4:40 pm Subject: Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Hi, I hope you all enjoy yourselves at good old Shepherd's Bush. I would go, too, but I have already something better (!) scheduled. I go scuba diving with my girlfriend. Wait for your concert reports. And anyway, there may be more gigs in Europe and elsewhere. armin From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 4:44 pm Subject: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet Just some random thoughts.... How much of Quinoa ended up on 220 Volt and Three Phase? I am not a musician but some parts sound rather similar to me. Not that I am complaining I really like all three. Also, I am sure this has been brought up, but did anybody notice that the Seven Letters of Tibet are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. Also, I actually really liked Seven Letters, but a family member was at my house when it was playing and wondered who died. He said it sounded like a 'death dirge' funeral music. My 5 year old son was not happy when I turned it off. Glad he takes his music preference after me. Frank Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25980 Re: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet Feldon Feldon Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 25983 Re: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet fstephe@a... Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB 25981 Re: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet Joel S. Mullen Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 4:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet Well, Quinoa was a preview of the 1992 concerts. And 220 Volt is mostly studio, while Three Phase is mostly a California concert in 1992. The first 5 minutes of Logos started out as a plodding 11 minute version in fall 1981. They tightened it up for the fall 1982 show. Same with Poland. It's 21 minutes on the Poland release but was about 30 minutes at the concert and other 1983 concerts. So they always have some kind of preview going which gets evolved. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. >From: fstephe@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:44:01 -0000 > >Just some random thoughts.... > >How much of Quinoa ended up on 220 Volt and Three Phase? I am not a >musician but some parts sound rather similar to me. Not that I am >complaining I really like all three. > >Also, I am sure this has been brought up, but did anybody notice that >the Seven Letters of Tibet are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. >Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. > >Also, I actually really liked Seven Letters, but a family member was >at my house when it was playing and wondered who died. He said it >sounded like a 'death dirge' funeral music. My 5 year old son was >not happy when I turned it off. Glad he takes his music preference >after me. > >Frank > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25983 Re: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet fstephe@a... Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 5:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet On Monday, February 12, 2001 10:44 AM, fstephe@a... [SMTP:fstephe@a...] wrote: > > Also, I am sure this has been brought up, but did anybody notice that > the Seven Letters of Tibet are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. > Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. I am trying to remember what I have read, but wasn't there something about the tracks being re-named? Something like originally it would have been ROYGBIV, but for some reason track #3 is now 'G' for Golden, instead of 'Y' for yellow and track #7 is now 'P' for Purple instead of 'V' for Violet? I know the track names don't even match from the back of the CD case to the insert, but that should be no surprise either I guess. Anyone remember what I am talking about or am I just crazy? From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 5:12 pm Subject: SEVEN LETTERS OF TIBET's Rainbow Titles On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:44:01 -0000 fstephe@a... writes: > Just some random thoughts.... [. . .] I am sure this has been >brought up, but did anybody notice that the Seven Letters of Tibet >are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. > > Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. Hey, *I* certainly was not aware of it! Cool! That is really cool! :) And for those who don't know what we're talking about: R: Red > Red O: Orange > Orange Y: Golden > Yellow G: Green > Green B: Blue > Blue I: Indigo > Indigo V: Purple > Violet MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films, SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream, MY WEB SITE http://members.spree.com/molasar/ UFO abduction literature, EBAY http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ and transgenderal issues. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26018 Re: SEVEN LETTERS OF TIBET's Rainbow Titles Erik Sanborn Tue 2/13/2001 4 KB From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 6:35 pm Subject: Re: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet When listening to some of TD's works I always feel as if I am listening to a work in progress. Kinda watching the Mona Lisa being painted...first with blonde hair, then with red, then finally a brunette. Guess nothing is final until they say it is. Does keep it exciting though. 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > Well, Quinoa was a preview of the 1992 concerts. And 220 Volt is mostly > studio, while Three Phase is mostly a California concert in 1992. > > The first 5 minutes of Logos started out as a plodding 11 minute version in > fall 1981. They tightened it up for the fall 1982 show. Same with Poland. > It's 21 minutes on the Poland release but was about 30 minutes at the > concert and other 1983 concerts. So they always have some kind of preview > going which gets evolved. From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 2:43 am Subject: Seven Letters tracks Hi everyone, My own copy of 'Seven Letters...' has the following track listing discrepancies.... CD Insert 1. The Red Blood Conection 2. The Orange Breath 3. The Sun And The Golden Heart 4. The Green Land 5. The Long Distance Blue 6. The Indigo Clouds 7. The Purple Of The Last Curtain Rear Cover 1. The Red Blood Connection 2. The Orange Breath 3. The Golden Heart 4. The Green Land 5. The Blue Pearl 6. The Indigo Clouds 7. The Purple Of All Curtains We're all used to the all-too frequent typos on TDI's sleeves, but this is ridiculous ! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25986 Re: Seven Letters tracks fstephe@a... Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:08 pm Subject: you know about this? hey jared- hope you have been well. do you know about this? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0446524328/o/qid=982002363/sr=8-1/ref =aps_sr_b_1_1/107-5246850-7973354 -joe From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:11 pm Subject: Re: Seven Letters tracks Typos may exist, but I feel the intent is what matters and the intent here was the colors of the rainbow. Frank --- In tadream@y..., 'Chris Owen' wrote: > Hi everyone, > > My own copy of 'Seven Letters...' has the following track listing discrepancies.... > > CD Insert > > 1. The Red Blood Conection > 2. The Orange Breath > 3. The Sun And The Golden Heart > 4. The Green Land > 5. The Long Distance Blue > 6. The Indigo Clouds > 7. The Purple Of The Last Curtain > > Rear Cover > > 1. The Red Blood Connection > 2. The Orange Breath > 3. The Golden Heart > 4. The Green Land > 5. The Blue Pearl > 6. The Indigo Clouds > 7. The Purple Of All Curtains > > We're all used to the all-too frequent typos on TDI's sleeves, but this is ridiculous ! > > - Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:16 pm Subject: OT - oops - RE: [tadream] you know about this? oops sorry- that was supposed to go offlist just to jared > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...] > hey jared- > hope you have been well. > > do you know about this? > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0446524328/o/qid=982002 > 363/sr=8-1/ref > =aps_sr_b_1_1/107-5246850-7973354 > > > From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:48 pm Subject: Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') In a message dated 2/11/01 2:25:57 AM, jwhite@s... writes: >Most modern 'dance' 'music' is utter shite, and this whole >'TDJ Rome' thing is starting to scare the bejeezus out of me. Well, sure, most of it is in fact shite--not that that somehow distinguishes it from any other genre. But if only *most* of it is bad, that would still mean that some of it is good. If Jerome does indeed go all-out with the techno thing as Sean suggested, there's no reason to just assume it'll turn out badly. Wait until you hear it; then decide if you like it. :) --Daniel NP: VNV Nation--Arclight (speaking of good dance music) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25992 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Jared White Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 25994 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Richard Mon 2/12/2001 3 KB 25993 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Feldon Feldon Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB 25996 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Feldon Feldon Mon 2/12/2001 6 KB 25998 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Richard Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 25999 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Sean Montgomery Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 26001 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') quarlie@a... Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26002 SV: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audienc Pergamon Tue 2/13/2001 4 KB 26011 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Joe Shoults Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB From: Jared White Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:04 pm Subject: RE: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 Disclaimer: I've exchanged words with Paul Lawler before on another mailing list, so this message is somewhat dragging up an old thread. I apologize, but what needs to be said needs to be said. I just can't let this go by. > -----Original Message----- > From: lawlermusic [mailto:lawlermusic@s...] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Johnson > > > For me 7 Letters From Tibet is probably the best album of 2000 both from > TD > > and any other artist. Now wait for me to open my umbrella > before you start > > firing.... > > > > > Dont worry , we`ll only be firing cotton wool buds at you so that > you clean > out your ears :) Maybe *your* ears are the ones that need cleaning? > Funny how people have different tastes . 7 letters was for me , > the biggest > insult TD have thrown at us . Um, and you're one to talk of insults? It's really amazing you have the guts to come up with comments like this considering you're the guy behind one of the biggest TD rip-off acts in the business! You come along, make a career out of stealing other people's ideas, and then criticize those other people in the process. And *you're* talking of insults? How dare you act like you know so much more and are so much more talented than the man who's been creating some of the greatest EM music on the planet for the past 30 years -- the man without whom you wouldn't have your 'base' to 'draw' from musically! Arcane wouldn't exist without EF, and yet you somehow have decided it's OK to make cheap potshots at him all the same. And don't give me any of this Unkle Eddie bullshit about how he's all washed up -- 7 Letters from Tibet is far better than anything I've hear YOU come up with under the guise of 'Arcane'. You still need to prove yourself, Paul. Come up with something really new. Really different. Come up with some really complex melodies. Come up with some really original sounds. Come up with a groundbreaking album in the EM genre. And I mean *ground-breaking*. Then maybe you can come back and criticize some of the latest TD releases like you're an expert. Meanwhile, your words don't hold any weight with *me*, and I daresay I'm just as an experienced musician and critic as YOU are. Jared White http://www.mp3.com/distantoaks From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:13 pm Subject: Question about Antique Dreams How much 'new and unreleased' material is there on Antiques Dreams? Any guidance for somebody on a limited buying budget would be appreciated. Frank Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25991 Re: Question about Antique Dreams Feldon Feldon Mon 2/12/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Question about Antique Dreams About 50%. I think it's worth it but others don't feel as strongly. I think the 50% makes it worth while because we've been hoping for a new release of it. But it also leaves us hanging because Edgar could have put BOTH parts of Ultima Thule (for example) and the full Overture instead of only half of it. Also he doctored one of the Tatort tracks unnecessarily, removing the most interesting part of it. And the last few tracks are stuff we already own ad nauseum. -Morgan >From: fstephe@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Question about Antique Dreams >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:13:45 -0000 > >How much 'new and unreleased' material is there on Antiques Dreams? >Any guidance for somebody on a limited buying budget would be >appreciated. > >Frank > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Jared White Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') > -----Original Message----- > From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...] > > In a message dated 2/11/01 2:25:57 AM, jwhite@s... writes: > > >Most modern 'dance' 'music' is utter shite, and this whole > >'TDJ Rome' thing is starting to scare the bejeezus out of me. > > Well, sure, most of it is in fact shite--not that that somehow > distinguishes > it from any other genre. But if only *most* of it is bad, that > would still > mean that some of it is good. If Jerome does indeed go all-out with the > techno thing as Sean suggested, there's no reason to just assume > it'll turn > out badly. Wait until you hear it; then decide if you like it. :) Well, I've already heard the TDJ Rome MP3's on the Ground Liftaz Web site, and, though I realize they're short and don't give you much, they're enough to show me that Jerome's already gone 'all-out' way too much for my liking. The melodies are non-existent, the chordal structures are extremely limited, and most of the sounds are base samples that Jerome's done absolutely nothing with. One of the pieces, I forget which, has a bass sound with a cutoff filter sweep -- and that cutoff filter sweep is part of the sample! You can hear the sweep go at a much slower rate on the low notes than the high notes. In other words, Jerome can't even come up with his own bass sound and sweep it manually. That does *not* give me confidence in his upcoming musical projects. Gee, this is making me really depressed. There just isn't much good stuff left in the world anymore. Oh for the days where musicians actually had to be able to play their instruments before they could create real music. When you go listen to the 'best of the best' today and then go pop Beethoven's Ninth in your CD player, you realize there just isn't any comparison most of the time. I think music reached its zenith long ago, and it's been mostly downhill from there. Regards, Jared Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25994 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Richard Mon 2/12/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') >From: Jared White >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:15:05 -0800 > >Gee, this is making me really depressed. There just isn't much good stuff >left in the world anymore. Oh for the days where musicians actually had to >be able to play their instruments before they could create real music. If Airsculpture's Jodrell Bank 2000 concert doesn't seem like good composition, check your pulse. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Richard Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >Gee, this is making me really depressed. There just isn't much good stuff >left in the world anymore. Oh for the days where musicians actually had to >be able to play their instruments before they could create real music. When >you go listen to the 'best of the best' today and then go pop Beethoven's >Ninth in your CD player, you realize there just isn't any comparison most of >the time. I think music reached its zenith long ago, and it's been mostly >downhill from there. I'm glad I'm not alone in these views. One of the drawbacks of modern technology is that people with little or no musical knowledge can produce (at very high quality) noise. It is unfortunate that this 'noise' is very easy & cheap to produce. Force it out on Radio 1 and the youngsters believe this is what music is all about. There is no reason why they should attempt to learn an instrument. Just get one of these modern boom machines, and hey presto instant 'noise'. I know there are people on this list that do not agree with this view. Well, we'll just have to wait and see, won't we. I worry for music. I know it is continually changing. The trouble is, not all changes are for the good. - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOohN1DBWmWbUzpzAEQIp4gCfXWI5g3B31Io0wRZHfDquFbSESvQAoLmI Lp5WU62rGfNybmeTQvWgeS1X =qrZ+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 9:04 pm Subject: Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jared White To: Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: RE: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 > Disclaimer: I've exchanged words with Paul Lawler before on another mailing > list, so this message is somewhat dragging up an old thread. I apologize, > but what needs to be said needs to be said. I just can't let this go by. etc God Bless Jared ! Have you ever written any grounbreaking dance music to qualify *your* statement ??? Paul From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 9:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') I'll admit that I feel I can't really compose music until I get an instrument with the sounds I want. Yes, this means using pre-defined, pre-recorded samples that someone else has come up with. I don't really know where I would even begin to find my own sound effects, except some naturally and some man-made sounds I've always wanted to include. I don't have any of the equipment to do it, nor do I have the sound filtering/tweaking experience needed. But I also don't feel I can accomplish what I want on the general midi patch set. That's the crazy part. TD were using a lot of what was already included on the Mellotrons, etc. (forgive my lack of knowledge in this area) because I've heard the same sounds in other artists who have used the same equipment. But, they were GOOD samples and used in great ways. I think bad/uninteresting/tired samples are part of the deal but not all of it. I still don't understand Edgar's pushing the band to put away the old, good equipment and trying the new totally digital composing that was in its infancy. They lost their sound at the expense of new technology. Optical Race vs. Logos. It's the compositional style (without JS and CF it's pretty weak) AND the equipment. Together it was just weak. Maybe it's easier to compose that way but not worth the loss of sound. So by looking for a keyboard (Korg Wavestation or something with analog sounds) with a lot of pre-made samples, maybe I am feeding into the behavior or trend of people with little musical experience finding some sounds that could be mixed together and making something cute. Maybe, but even the very experimental stuff I have produced has seemed to have a lasting quality in me, even with all it's rough edges. And I am the first one to criticize anything I do. I know I don't have the discipline to play with 2 hands for instance, or handle 3-4 sounds at the same time. I guess because TD are an established band, more should be expected. Bottom line, people stopped taking TD seriously a long time ago except diehard fans. If Seven Letters and Dream Mixes III (based my listening to the 2 DJ Rome tracks) are where TD is going, I'm out. Mars Polaris had something to it, but not enough. -Morgan >From: Richard >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:55:48 +0000 > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > >Gee, this is making me really depressed. There just isn't much good stuff > >left in the world anymore. Oh for the days where musicians actually had >to > >be able to play their instruments before they could create real music. >When > >you go listen to the 'best of the best' today and then go pop Beethoven's > >Ninth in your CD player, you realize there just isn't any comparison most >of > >the time. I think music reached its zenith long ago, and it's been mostly > >downhill from there. > >I'm glad I'm not alone in these views. One of the drawbacks of modern >technology is that people with little or no musical knowledge can >produce (at very high quality) noise. It is unfortunate that this >'noise' is very easy & cheap to produce. Force it out on Radio 1 and the >youngsters believe this is what music is all about. > >There is no reason why they should attempt to learn an instrument. Just >get one of these modern boom machines, and hey presto instant 'noise'. > >I know there are people on this list that do not agree with this view. >Well, we'll just have to wait and see, won't we. > >I worry for music. I know it is continually changing. The trouble is, >not all changes are for the good. >- -- >Richard > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 > >iQA/AwUBOohN1DBWmWbUzpzAEQIp4gCfXWI5g3B31Io0wRZHfDquFbSESvQAoLmI >Lp5WU62rGfNybmeTQvWgeS1X >=qrZ+ >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25998 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Richard Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 9:11 pm Subject: Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 Ok, the flamewar stops now. Before it even starts. We are NOT going to lose more people from this tadream list because of this. >From: 'lawlermusic' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:04:49 -0000 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jared White >To: >Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 8:04 PM >Subject: RE: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 > > > > Disclaimer: I've exchanged words with Paul Lawler before on another >mailing > > list, so this message is somewhat dragging up an old thread. I >apologize, > > but what needs to be said needs to be said. I just can't let this go by. >etc > >God Bless Jared ! >Have you ever written any grounbreaking dance music to qualify *your* >statement ??? > > > >Paul > > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Richard Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 9:32 pm Subject: Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >That's the crazy part. TD were using a lot of what was already included on >the Mellotrons, etc. But the Mellatron had to played. There was no 'instant' button. It was (I'm sure) the first sample playback keyboard, but apart from the 'samples' it was a keyboard, and you had to play it in a special way to get the best out of it. > they were GOOD samples and used in great ways. I agree 100%. I'm planning to use Mellatron sounds when I go back out playing later this year. > >I think bad/uninteresting/tired samples are part of the deal but not all of >it. I still don't understand Edgar's pushing the band to put away the old, >good equipment and trying the new totally digital composing that was in its >infancy. They lost their sound at the expense of new technology. The same way that Tony Banks did. The last Genesis album could have been made by any session musicians. Totally Anonymous. >So by looking for a keyboard (Korg Wavestation or something with analog >sounds) with a lot of pre-made samples, maybe I am feeding into the behavior >or trend of people with little musical experience finding some sounds that >could be mixed together and making something cute. Have you looked at the Waldorf Microwave?. The first version is the closest you'll get to owning a PPG 2.3. > >Maybe, but even the very experimental stuff I have produced has seemed to >have a lasting quality in me, even with all it's rough edges. And I am the >first one to criticize anything I do. I know I don't have the discipline to >play with 2 hands for instance, or handle 3-4 sounds at the same time. I >guess because TD are an established band, more should be expected. You don't need to be able to play 'piano' style. Handling more than one sound at a time does not come naturally. It take time & practice. > >Bottom line, people stopped taking TD seriously a long time ago except >diehard fans. If Seven Letters and Dream Mixes III (based my listening to >the 2 DJ Rome tracks) are where TD is going, I'm out. Mars Polaris had >something to it, but not enough. I always thought that Tangerine Dream was a collective. Somewhat like the Beatles, as a working collective the output of the group was greater than any of the solo material. They bounced ideas off each other. When your working on your own (lets take JF out of the equation) you get stuck in a rut. I'm sure all of the musicians here will agree on that, I miss working in a group environment. I just hated the arguments! - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOohWZzBWmWbUzpzAEQJ0dwCg4fhghwxWZL+SrKonOhEnEdCwJrIAnRLn 1j8/ucCkc/F8VZ2OYKr2HBOV =/A1d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Talk about the 'death of music' is as tedious as talk about 'the death of art' (not that it stops people from talking about both topics!) I think you can chalk up the uninspiring state of contemporary music-making to a few things: 1) Corporate control of radio and record labels. Corporate heads are interested in only one thing: profits. And that means going with proven formulas that have sold well in the past. Radio isn't about music, but drawing in listeners for the advertisments. 2) Lack of new technological progression Throughout the 20th century, many musicians were inspired by new techniques of music making, whether by the electric guitar, the Moog synthesizer, or the sampler. Nothing really innovative has come along recently (at least, not that I'm aware of), and this seems to have slowed down the pace of experimentation. There's also been a slowdown in the kind of cultural cross-polination that led to jazz, rock and roll and rap. Some musicians, like Paul Haslinger, have sought inspiration in world musics, but even this genre feels tapped-out. As the influence of western rock and roll extends around the world, there will be fewer and fewer pockets of truly 'alternative' music. Everyone, from Atlanta, Georgia to the Russian state of Georgia, wants to be The Beatles. 3) A general feeling of ennui in society as a whole I had hoped that when the clock struck midnight on January 1, 2000 - and folks were forced to contend with the fact that the world had not blown up - there would be an outpouring of creativity in the artistic world. But no. I didn't feel it myself, and based on what I hear on the radio, and see in the movie theatre...other artists aren't feeling it either. People just aren't very optimistic about the future these days. There's talk of economic depression, rumblings of war, and fear of environmental collapse. Plus, art isn't especially valued right now. Unless it boosts the price of someone's stock, it gets paid no mind. People just want escapism, whether it be in happy stupid entertainment or cathartic angry entertainment. Of course, there's another point to be taken into consideration...it could just be that we just can't see the great art of our time yet. Often, it takes the perspective afforded by history to look back and pick out what was truely great in a certain era. Furthermore, the study of history has made people think that art must evolve in a Darwinian fashion, and that by following the progress of the dominant species, you can see which way things are going. But sometimes the dominant species dies, and something that has been breeding up in the branches emerges to take its place. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 11:43 pm Subject: Systems Music Has anybody ever heard of a 70s group called Systems Music ? I first heard them on a John Williams 'Close Encounters and other great space music' record in about 1977 . As far as I know ,they are Swedish . The tracks they wrote for the above mentioned record are amazing , absolute analogue classics . Please put me out of my searching misery . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 12:05 am Subject: Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') In a message dated 2/12/01 3:39:28 PM, jwhite@s... writes: >Gee, this is making me really depressed. There just isn't much good stuff >left in the world anymore. Oh for the days where musicians actually had >to be able to play their instruments before they could create real music. I may be veering off-topic here, and I apologize for that, but there's still plenty of good stuff out there. People may think of 2000 as the year of mechanical, mass-produced teen pop and boneheaded rap-metal, but to me it was the year of: Symphony X, 'V' Delerium, 'Poem' Ozric Tentacles, 'The Hidden Step' Juno Reactor, 'Shango' The Trans-Siberian Orchestra, 'Beethoven's Last Night' VNV Nation, 'Empires' Collective Soul, 'Blender' Steve Roach, 'Early Man' as well as a couple of decent TD releases (hey, I'm on topic again) and, surely, other things that I can't think of at the moment. And that's just what I was able to get on my constrained college student budget. My advice is: don't get discouraged. Mainstream music may be in the gutter, but look elsewhere and you'll find some gems. --Daniel NP: the Orb--Orblivion (anybody have their new single yet?) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26002 SV: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audienc Pergamon Tue 2/13/2001 4 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 1:36 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Hello All I have been on the lurking mode for a VERY long time and this kind of thread is the reason. I can't help feeling when reading the thread that whatever is going to be released on the musicmarket today, some of you will just call it utterly crap. Some of you must walk around with your ears closed, because there is plenty of very good artists and music on the market today. Granted they are not a TD-clone. And yes a lot of the musicians today is forgotten in a few years, but what about all the bands you don't remember from the 70' and 80'. There will always be good and bad music and the market. It sounds like some of you can't cope with the fact that music is evolving. I have always been fascinated by electronic music, but I have always looked at the new impulses from the market. I love TD and the likes, but I make Goa / PsyTrance myself. Deal with the fact that other people don't have the same musictaste as you do. Why waste so much time discussing all the music you don't like when you could spend that time with the music you like. If TD is trying something new, fine with me. If Jerome has an urge to make music for the dancefloors, fine with me. As I stated before on this list, TD is not what it was in the *old days*. This is mainly because the TD-crew has changed, but also because we are writing 2001, and a lot has changed since then. The music and what you are influenced by, is very different from then. And don't give me that story about 'remember the time when people actually had to play their instrument' is this stated by people that don't know what it takes to play a synth. It doesn't do it all by itself, I am sorry to break this to you, but YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO PLAY THE THING BEFORE IT MAKES ANYTHING. Yes you have got programs on the computer which can control all your synths. This is mainly because most artist today, work alone and have several synths, which is very hard to play at the same time. You only have to hands. But, you still have to play and record the music you are making. You also had these programs back then, just in another form. Some of the music today is very low quality, but hey!, it has always been so. Just remember some of the horrible bands in the 70', 80' and 90'. So IMO there has always been musicians with little or no musical knowledge that has been making music. This is not a modern technology thing. And there will always be teenagers with little music knowledge that listens to this. Some of the comments in the 70' about TD was, 'this was just some mediocre Hippie-crap-music', 'if this is modern music I fear for music' etc etc. So here were are 20-30 years later and I still hear those comments. It makes you think. Back to lurk mode and my modern boom machines and making some high quality noise Jan From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 9:03 am Subject: Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 In a message dated 2/12/2001 1:13:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, feldon23@h... writes: > Ok, the flamewar stops now. Before it even starts. > We are NOT going to lose more people from this tadream list because of this. > *Well you lost one anyway.... I just came back from an absence only to read Jareds self-righteous personal attacks at Paul Lawler, and quite frankly I don't have time for this immature bullshit. I know there are some good people here and wish you well, but If Jared is still throwing temper tantrums at the drop of a pin, well I have better things to do. Paul Ellis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 11:58 am Subject: Lightwave to perform at Alfa Centauri The French electro-acoustic duo Lightwave, whom some of you may know from their collaborations with Paul Haslinger, will perform (without Paul) at the 8th Annual Alfa Centauri Festival on Saturday, April 28 at the Theatre 't Spant in Bussum, The Netherlands. For additional informatio, please visit the Alfa Centauri Web site at www.alfacentauri.nl. Sincerely, Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 2:45 pm Subject: RE: Return of Lawry Simm, his head's not dim...[tadream] Digest N umber 791 >Rainbow Serpent >Keller & Schonwalder >Syndromeda & Stephan Whitlan >Ramp & Cosmic Hoffman >So, who's going to these concerts? The usual crew no doubt, but any new >listmembers? Don't know if I qualify as new, in any respect, but would certainly consider going. I've heard about Jodrell Bank but don't know where it is. Is there a web-site for Info. and booking maybe? /Olle From: kevine@c... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 3:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') Not to disagree with either Sean or Daniel or Jan, but I would like to add a comment. It seems to me that it is very easy to forget that music (or art) is a matter of personal taste. There are no universal (read: objective) standards for good music, just your own opinion based upon your own tastes. OK, this is self-evident, but your tastes evolve over time. You can only hear Phaedra for the first time once. But what is even more important is that you can't listen to Rubycon for the first time without internally referencing Phaedra. And when you hear Rockoon for the first time, you are internally comparing it with Phaedra and Rubycon and Tangram.... And you are comparing it to all the rest of the music you have enjoyed. It may strike a chord, or it may not - personal taste is a large and complex thing. Remember, this applies to the musicians as well. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26007 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') Heiko Heerssen Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB 26010 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') quarlie@a... Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB 26012 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') Feldon Feldon Tue 2/13/2001 4 KB 26014 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') lawlermusic Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26015 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') Sean Montgomery Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26016 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') kevine@c... Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26017 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') Feldon Feldon Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 3:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') kevine@c... schrieb: > OK, this is self-evident, but your tastes evolve over time. You can only > hear Phaedra for the first time once. But what is even more important is > that you can't listen to Rubycon for the first time without internally > referencing Phaedra. And when you hear Rockoon for the first time, you are > internally comparing it with Phaedra and Rubycon and Tangram.... And you > are comparing it to all the rest of the music you have enjoyed. It may > strike a chord, or it may not - personal taste is a large and complex > thing. > Remember, this applies to the musicians as well. Well said, Kevin. I couldn't agree more with you, this should be carved in stone. Heiko n.p.: TD Croydon Fairfield Hall 23.10.75, a milestone in electronic music. From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 3:36 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet Hi Joel, Have a look at the 7 letters page on my site, all is explained... http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/tibet.html Paul ---------- >De : 'Joel S. Mullen' >Ŕ : ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Objet : RE: [tadream] Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet >Date : Lun 12 fév 2001 18:43 > > On Monday, February 12, 2001 10:44 AM, fstephe@a... > [SMTP:fstephe@a...] wrote: > >> >> Also, I am sure this has been brought up, but did anybody notice that >> the Seven Letters of Tibet are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. >> Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. > > > I am trying to remember what I have read, but wasn't there something > about the tracks being re-named? Something like originally it would > have been ROYGBIV, but for some reason track #3 is now 'G' for > Golden, instead of 'Y' for yellow and track #7 is now 'P' for Purple > instead of 'V' for Violet? I know the track names don't even match > from the back of the CD case to the insert, but that should be no > surprise either I guess. Anyone remember what I am talking about > or am I just crazy? > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tom george' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 3:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs why burn cdrs off them when the link that Rolf provided clearly states that PDO will replace all defective discs up to 20 years after they were pressed? tom -- On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:59:12 Antonio Nunes wrote: > > > >Rolf Elfstrvm wrote: >> >> Yes, it's aluminum and it's oxidizing. This is a problem mostly >> found on CDs pressed at the Philips & Du Pont Optical UK Ltd (PDO) >> between 1988 and 1993. The lacquer used to cover the aluminum >> cannot withstand the sulphur in the paper of the booklet. >> (...) >> Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' >> near the center hole... > > >Thanks for the info, Rolf. My copy of White Eagle (CDV2226) is labeled >'Made in U.K. by PDO' and actually it looks very suspicious, its colour >is almost as if it was a golden CD. Curiously the golden tinge is very >uniform, unlike Geir's Rubycon. Anyway, it's backup time! > >Antonio Nunes > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 4:13 pm Subject: Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') In a message dated 2/13/01 10:09:16 AM, kevine@c... writes: >Not to disagree with either Sean or Daniel or Jan, but I would like to >add a comment. It seems to me that it is very easy to forget that music (or >art) is a matter of personal taste. There are no universal (read: >objective) standards for good music, just your own opinion based upon your >own tastes. I thoroughly agree. Upon re-reading I see that my previous post may have been unclear. My reason for listing some recent examples of what I consider good music was to show the diversity of music available to those who seek it. The albums I listed are all very different, but even if someone doesn't happen to like any of them, they're bound to find *something* they like, thus my advice to not get discouraged. --Daniel NP: Orbital--the Middle of Nowhere From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 5:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') hey Jan- I may be asking something everybody already knows, but could you explain Goa? what is this? thanks, Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...] ... > but I make Goa / PsyTrance myself. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26027 SV: [tadream] Goa?????? Pergamon Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') My TD exposure started with the movie Miracle Mile. Then I got Turn of the Tides, then Rockoon, and then 220 Volt. I loved them all. Then when I stumbled across Phaedra, Logos, Tangram (I admit it took me some time to get into this one), Force Majeure, Encore (took me a LONG time to get into this one), I realized that I had been listening to but faint echoes of the compositional masterpieces TD had done in the past. Now, I hardly listen to 220 Volt and only a couple of tracks on Rockoon and Turn of the Tides. So this punches a big hole in your argument that whatever you hear first is what you will always be enamoured with. I am EXAMPLE A that this is not always the case. -Morgan From: kevine@c... Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:07:02 -0500 Not to disagree with either Sean or Daniel or Jan, but I would like to add a comment. It seems to me that it is very easy to forget that music (or art) is a matter of personal taste. There are no universal (read: objective) standards for good music, just your own opinion based upon your own tastes. OK, this is self-evident, but your tastes evolve over time. You can only hear Phaedra for the first time once. But what is even more important is that you can't listen to Rubycon for the first time without internally referencing Phaedra. And when you hear Rockoon for the first time, you are internally comparing it with Phaedra and Rubycon and Tangram.... And you are comparing it to all the rest of the music you have enjoyed. It may strike a chord, or it may not - personal taste is a large and complex thing. Remember, this applies to the musicians as well. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs tom george wrote: > > why burn cdrs off them when the link that Rolf > provided clearly states that PDO will replace all > defective discs up to 20 years after they were > pressed? You're right. I've an obsession with backups because I work on a Computer Dept. :-) Antonio np: Arcane - Alterstill From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 5:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') > My TD exposure started with the movie Miracle Mile. Then I got Turn of the > Tides, then Rockoon, and then 220 Volt. I loved them all. > > Then when I stumbled across Phaedra, Logos, Tangram (I admit it took me some > time to get into this one), Force Majeure, Encore (took me a LONG time to > get into this one), I realized that I had been listening to but faint echoes > of the compositional masterpieces TD had done in the past. Now, I hardly > listen to 220 Volt and only a couple of tracks on Rockoon and Turn of the > Tides. > > So this punches a big hole in your argument that whatever you hear first is > what you will always be enamoured with. I am EXAMPLE A that this is not > always the case. > > -Morgan > I`m not sure if thats the case with me or not . My first TD record was Force Majeur , folled by Logos , Poland and Le parc . At the time , I only liked the more 'tuneful' aspects of these albums ,but as time went by , and the Haslinger era happened , I much preferred albums like optical race , lily on the beach etc . It seems now though , as i have got older , that I can only really listen to the schmoelling era , and for opposite reasons than at first . I never really got into the 70s stuff at all , apart from Green Desert and cyclone (honest) Paul From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 5:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') kevine@c... wrote: > It seems to me that it is very easy to forget that music (or art) is a matter of personal taste. You have no argument from me on that one! Another thought, related to this discussion, occurred to me this morning. 1987-89 was a pretty bleak time for pop music too. The airwaves were filled with the likes of Milli Vanilli, Paula Abdul, New Kids on the Block and Kylie Minogue. Rock music was dominated by hair bands (Cinderella, Motley Crue, Guns n Roses). The 'new wave' explosion of the early 80s had petered out, the Smiths had broken up, U2 and R.E.M. had gone top-40...and Tangerine Dream was embracing short pop song structures with cheesy drums and cheesier melodies. It would have been easy to declare 'the death of music' back then too. But for those willing to look, lurking in the background were artists like The Stone Roses, Nirvana, The Pixies, 808 State, Derrick May, Soul II Soul, Public Enemy and Nine Inch Nails, designing musical templates for the coming decade. And there's still good music being made today too. I heartilly recommend 'Agaetis Byrjun', by Iceland's Sigur Ros, and 'Lift You Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven', by Canada's own Godspeed You Black Emperor. This is prog rock for the new millenium...glacially cool and beautiful. I also liked Thievery Corporation's 'The Mirror Conspiracy', Bebel Gilberto's 'Tanto Tempo' and Da Lata's 'From the Tin'...all have their roots in Brazillian music, which I've really grown to like over the past couple of years. Banco de Gaia's 'Igizeh' and Bowery Electric's 'Nightlife' were pretty cool too...and Lisa Gerrard continued to move me with her vocal work on the Gladiator soundtrack. I could go on...but for me, the main point is that you just have to do a little more work to find interesting music. Thankfully, the advent of mp3s has made sampling new sounds very easy. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: kevine@c... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 6:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') Hey Morgan, I guess I didn't make my argument clearly enough. I am not trying to imply that what you hear first is what you will be enamored with, although it could be read that way. I also do not disgree with your taste in music :-). My argument is that your tastes evolve over time. You enjoyed Rockoon, for example. This enjoyment coloured your enjoyment of Rubycon and Encore. That you came to enjoy Encore more than Rockoon just goes to show that taste is a complex thing. I was also arguing that Edgar's tastes have evolved over time as well. For many of us here, our tastes have diverged from his. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 6:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') I get blank stares when I tell people that I listen to Nine Inch Nails not for the coarse lyrics, but for the compositional masterpieces that Trent produces. It's a shame that he doesn't produce 20 minute songs. He always rushes through what could be much longer and even more developed compositions. -Morgan From: Sean Montgomery Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:49:35 -0500 kevine@c... wrote: > It seems to me that it is very easy to forget that music (or art) is a matter of personal taste. You have no argument from me on that one! Another thought, related to this discussion, occurred to me this morning. 1987-89 was a pretty bleak time for pop music too. The airwaves were filled with the likes of Milli Vanilli, Paula Abdul, New Kids on the Block and Kylie Minogue. Rock music was dominated by hair bands (Cinderella, Motley Crue, Guns n Roses). The 'new wave' explosion of the early 80s had petered out, the Smiths had broken up, U2 and R.E.M. had gone top-40...and Tangerine Dream was embracing short pop song structures with cheesy drums and cheesier melodies. It would have been easy to declare 'the death of music' back then too. But for those willing to look, lurking in the background were artists like The Stone Roses, Nirvana, The Pixies, 808 State, Derrick May, Soul II Soul, Public Enemy and Nine Inch Nails, designing musical templates for the coming decade. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Erik Sanborn' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 6:59 pm Subject: Re: SEVEN LETTERS OF TIBET's Rainbow Titles > Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:12:38 -0500 > From: scfeldman@j... > >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:44:01 -0000 fstephe@a... writes: > > > Just some random thoughts.... [. . .] I am sure this has been > >brought up, but did anybody notice that the Seven Letters of Tibet > >are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. > > > > Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. > > Hey, *I* certainly was not aware of it! Cool! That is really >cool! :) > And for those who don't know what we're talking about: > >R: Red > Red >O: Orange > Orange >Y: Golden > Yellow >G: Green > Green >B: Blue > Blue >I: Indigo > Indigo >V: Purple > Violet It's funny but I thought the rainbow reference was obvious given that 7 Letters is essentially a 'new age' album in musical style. Throw in a little mention of Tibet and the rainbow connection seems obvious, almost cliche', to me. For years TD fans, myself included, have griped about their favorite band being labeled 'new age'. Seeing Tangram and Logos in the music bins next to the likes of John Tesh and Yanni made me cringe. So what does TD do? They finally produce an album that fits in that genre. Don't get me wrong, I really do like 7 Letters. But I think it's important to look at it in the context of itself rather than in the context of the rest of TD's discography. I have introduced the album to non-TD fans who generally like the 'new age' style and most enjoy it. Some have even gone to the stores to buy their own copies! I'm glad that TD is not afraid to try something different for them. I'd rather they experiment and fail a few times in order to produce something really interesting than to churn out album after album of the same thing. I like Mars Polaris but I wouldn't want them to create several subsequent albums that all sound the same as it. Variety and experimentation make things interesting. I'm personally looking forward to the release of Star Trooper. I think there's quite a bit that Edgar could do with TD interpretations of classical pieces. Okay, some of you may be saying, 'I can do without tangentized J.S.Bach!' And you may be right, but it's worth a try. If Metallica can *successfully* combine metal with a symphony orchestra then TD should be able to step outside their usual musical style and try something new. I certainly hope so. Regards, Erik np: EF - 'Magic Lantern' (Love that guitar!) From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: TDI update Hi all just to let you know tdi have confirmed SBE gig at last and are planning a tour of the USA june/july dates to be confirmed. cheers Gary. From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 9:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI update woohoo!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Jenkins [mailto:hyperborea@b...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:53 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TDI update > > > Hi all just to let you know tdi have confirmed SBE gig at last and are > planning a tour of the USA june/july dates to be confirmed. > cheers Gary. > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various > Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me a > s BRANCH my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me a > s LEAF my address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Scott' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 9:57 pm Subject: Shepherd's Bush Anyone taping? If not, I might be able to loan my analog deck... Scott From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 11:29 pm Subject: Hyper-not-boring-at-all I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an underrated chapter, or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. No Man's Land is one of the best examples of the mechanical sound from the Schmoelling years. Hyperborea is one of the best ever TD tracks, with those notes, or key or whatever TD didn't use to play, making it a very beautiful melancholic track, taking the listener to vast, cold places like northern Greenland or Antarctica. At least that's where I go with this music. The transition to the second part is extremely well done, and the second part gives some kind of hope to the desolation of the first part. Cinnamon Road is an okay track, one more of those 3-4-minute-radio-tracks they used to make in that period. When I play Sphinx Lightning and remember the first two tracks, for some reason I think this album is, in some level, very close to the Pink years, maybe because of the vastness of the title track and of SL. Sphinx Lightning has a magical moment that begins around 9:45 and ends around 12:45. Thinking about all parts of this track together, as if looking at a whole continent from the space, makes SL sound perfect or at least very very well done: the sparse intro, the cold soft sequenced percussion section, those magic minutes between 9:45 and 12:45, the intro to the heavier percussion with water drops sounds (great percussion) part, the heavier percussion part itself, and the majestic ending. Some of those other magical TD moments are: the Monolight tune, Force Majeure 6:45-9:something, somewhere in the middle of the first half of the Brussels Jensen University 1976 concert (found in the Danger Live boo**** :), and many others. It was a delight when I discovered the origin of that harpsi(chord)˛ - the harpsichord chord - because it was one of the first TD sounds I had ever heard (Extracts from Poland and White Eagle were my first TD albums). I think anyone who hasn't heard Hyperborea yet should look for it, it's worth buying. It's almost as good as White Eagle. Maybe what makes White Eagle sound better than Hyperborea is the more sequencey style of WE, or maybe that froesian track (Convention of the 24), or the vastness of Hyperb., or all that. If I had to give Hyperb. a grade, between 0 and 10, it would be 7.5. White Eagle would get 8.5. Cyclone would get 6.5. Goblins' Club would get 4. Tyranny of Beauty, 5. Phaedra, 9. Tangram, something between 9.5 and 10.3. Stratosfear, something between 9.5 and 10.3 Force Majeure, 9.5. Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26023 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all Richard Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26032 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all John Marchington Wed 2/14/2001 5 KB 26034 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all PENFOLD Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB 26039 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all Armin Theissen Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB 26044 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all Gary Jenkins Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB 26056 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all Antonio Nunes Thu 2/15/2001 3 KB From: Richard Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 10:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an underrated chapter, >or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. > I have to agree. This album has a sound of it's own. >Hyperborea is one of the best ever TD tracks, with those notes, or key or >whatever TD didn't use to play, making it a very beautiful melancholic track, >taking the listener to vast, cold places like northern Greenland or Antarctica. >At least that's where I go with this music. The transition to the second part is >extremely well done, and the second part gives some kind of hope to the >desolation of the first part. This is one of my favourite tracks, the second half being almost magical. I fact I was going to do a cover of it on my 'cover' album. > >Cinnamon Road is an okay track, one more of those 3-4-minute-radio-tracks they >used to make in that period. A re-run of Chronozon perhaps? - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOom6CjBWmWbUzpzAEQJIkwCgzNc7D45Y7TtrkafsfOYILV1GSf4AoLsy 3Q2vq4yVokgFOwbu2Jm1IJ+E =m42b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 11:22 pm Subject: history of electronic musical instruments cool link: http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/ From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 11:49 pm Subject: RE: 7 Letters from Tibet >You still need to prove yourself, Paul. (etc - rant removed... we all read it the first time) >Jared White Can't say that I agree there Jared... Arcane gets more airtime on my CD player now than TD. I feel that what Paul has done is to take the better elements of TD's work, leave out the shite and come up with some wholly excellent stuff. And you obviously don't realise that the skill he has in recreating the glory days of TD comes from his great love of TD. It's his love of this era that is making him create music in this style, because it's what people are crying out for. TD no longer can manage it, but Paul does it effortlessly. You should also note that this is merely one of many styles of music in which Paul excels... you should hear some of his TV soundtrack work, and you would be amazed that the same guy has a part time hobby of cloning and in some case bettering TD's glory days. I can't help but feel you are being a tad unfair to a very talented young man. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that this is a childish rant, and quite a personal attack... perhaps better saved for private emails than for torching the list with. Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26026 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet Joe Shoults Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:01 am Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: 7 Letters from Tibet Thanks, Lawry. However, Jared is unable to read your message, as he has been unsubscribed from this list. You may contact him directly at jwhite@s... -JOe > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawry Simm [mailto:lawrysimm@s...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 6:49 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] RE: 7 Letters from Tibet > > > >You still need to prove yourself, Paul. (etc - rant > removed... we all read > it the first time) > >Jared White ... > man. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that this is a childish > rant, and > quite a personal attack... perhaps better saved for private > emails than for > torching the list with. From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:05 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Goa?????? hey Jan- I may be asking something everybody already knows, but could you explain Goa? what is this? thanks, Joe Hello This musicstyle is in the Techno-genre. This is the style that started the Techno as we know it today. It all started in India in a place called Goa, where they made these huge beachpartys, therefore the style is called Goa. The biggest name in that style, must be Astral Projection. A lot of Goa bands emerged from Israel, thus the name IsraGoa was given to their style. Goa has evolved tremendously in the past 8 years or so. This scene is constantly changing into new styles, there are litteraly dozen of musicstyles in the underground Technoscene. It is sometimes different which style dominates different countrys. Here in Denmark I would say that PsyTrance is the biggest. PsyTrance is fastgoing beats with layers of trip-sounds, were Goa is more fluent with layers of seguencers and more melodic. Trance is even more melodic and Dance has added song and is what rules the commercial musicmarket today. Hopes this gives a pictures of what Goa is. Regards Jan From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:09 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Goa?????? yes, thanks! > -----Original Message----- > From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...] > the Techno as we know it today. It all started in India in a > place called > Goa, where they made these huge beachpartys, therefore the > style is called... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26029 SV: [tadream] Goa?????? Pergamon Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:17 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Goa?????? You are welcome Jan -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...] Sendt: 14. februar 2001 01:10 Til: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' Emne: RE: [tadream] Goa?????? yes, thanks! > -----Original Message----- > From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...] > the Techno as we know it today. It all started in India in a > place called > Goa, where they made these huge beachpartys, therefore the > style is called... Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 1:41 am Subject: TD USA? Is this true? TD is planning a tour to the USA???? (per Gary Jenkins). Y E S S S S S S S S S S S SS S S S S S S! That would be 'most excellent!' Sheesh, even though I am a gray-haired adult, I actually have DREAMS about attending a Tangerine Dream concert! Pretty scary, eh? If TD tours the US of A, I will BE THERE! Hopefully some Western venues.... Heck, if they were to play at more than one western venue, I might be inspired to attend multiple events. That would be wild. I got a stack of TD CD's several feet long (well over a hundred + items now), listening to it day in and day out. I drive my wife and daughter crazy. Talk about crazy, with the Internet, ListServ, videos, etc., I almost feel like I 'know' these guys. Gotta luv the 'net. It would be so cool to see them perform, perhaps to even meet them. Currently listening to CD4 of 'i-box' while I crank out working drawings for a commercial project. Ooops, better get back to work! Forever optimistic, James Horecka, AIA, Architect jhorecka@p... http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka DataCAD Roundhouse: http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka/DCADLinks.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26037 Re: TD USA? Totta Wed 2/14/2001 4 KB 26038 Re: TD USA? Heiko Heerssen Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB 26049 SV: [tadream] TD USA? Pergamon Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB 26041 Re: TD USA? Joe Shoults Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB 26042 Re: TD USA? TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB 26063 Re: TD USA? Scott Thu 2/15/2001 3 KB 26118 Re: TD USA? Patrik . Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs I have had a considerable amount of experience dealing with PDO (now UML -- Universal Music Limited) over the question of bronzed discs. As Rolf Elfstrvm has stated, if the date on the disc label is between (about) 1988 and 1993 and the words 'Made in UK by PDO' are seen around the centre hole, I would suggest attempting replacement. Discs pressed by PDO in other countries (e.g. W. Germany) are NOT involved. However, it seems that the company has now changed its policy in that in recent times I have been asked to return all the original discs I have ever had replaced (dealing with someone who has now retired, I was originally told that I could destroy them, but I never did) BEFORE they would send me others -- so it would seem that perhaps some customers have tried to pull the wool over its eyes and get free discs from the company, so be warned! Most of my Virgin years TD were pressed by Nimbus -- indeed, I haven't got any TD pressed by PDO in the UK. (Mine were all classical on the Hyperion, ASV, Albany, Unicorn-Kanchana and BBC Music labels). ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tom george' To: Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs > why burn cdrs off them when the link that Rolf > provided clearly states that PDO will replace all > defective discs up to 20 years after they were > pressed? > tom > -- > > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:59:12 > Antonio Nunes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Rolf Elfstrvm wrote: > > >> > > >> Yes, it's aluminum and it's oxidizing. This is a problem mostly > > >> found on CDs pressed at the Philips & Du Pont Optical UK Ltd (PDO) > > >> between 1988 and 1993. The lacquer used to cover the aluminum > > >> cannot withstand the sulphur in the paper of the booklet. > > >> (...) > > >> Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' > > >> near the center hole... > > > > > > > > >Thanks for the info, Rolf. My copy of White Eagle (CDV2226) is labeled > > >'Made in U.K. by PDO' and actually it looks very suspicious, its colour > > >is almost as if it was a golden CD. Curiously the golden tinge is very > > >uniform, unlike Geir's Rubycon. Anyway, it's backup time! > > > > > >Antonio Nunes > > > > > > > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > > >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > > > > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > > > > Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. > FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all Hear! Hear! I've always considered the title track to be one of TD's most inspired creations, and the second subject is especially lovely with some great little nuances in rhythm as well. I play it a lot. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gustavo Jobim' To: Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an underrated chapter, or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. No Man's Land is one of the best examples of the mechanical sound from the Schmoelling years. Hyperborea is one of the best ever TD tracks, with those notes, or key or whatever TD didn't use to play, making it a very beautiful melancholic track, taking the listener to vast, cold places like northern Greenland or Antarctica. At least that's where I go with this music. The transition to the second part is extremely well done, and the second part gives some kind of hope to the desolation of the first part. Cinnamon Road is an okay track, one more of those 3-4-minute-radio-tracks they used to make in that period. When I play Sphinx Lightning and remember the first two tracks, for some reason I think this album is, in some level, very close to the Pink years, maybe because of the vastness of the title track and of SL. Sphinx Lightning has a magical moment that begins around 9:45 and ends around 12:45. Thinking about all parts of this track together, as if looking at a whole continent from the space, makes SL sound perfect or at least very very well done: the sparse intro, the cold soft sequenced percussion section, those magic minutes between 9:45 and 12:45, the intro to the heavier percussion with water drops sounds (great percussion) part, the heavier percussion part itself, and the majestic ending. Some of those other magical TD moments are: the Monolight tune, Force Majeure 6:45-9:something, somewhere in the middle of the first half of the Brussels Jensen University 1976 concert (found in the Danger Live boo**** :), and many others. It was a delight when I discovered the origin of that harpsi(chord)˛ - the harpsichord chord - because it was one of the first TD sounds I had ever heard (Extracts from Poland and White Eagle were my first TD albums). I think anyone who hasn't heard Hyperborea yet should look for it, it's worth buying. It's almost as good as White Eagle. Maybe what makes White Eagle sound better than Hyperborea is the more sequencey style of WE, or maybe that froesian track (Convention of the 24), or the vastness of Hyperb., or all that. If I had to give Hyperb. a grade, between 0 and 10, it would be 7.5. White Eagle would get 8.5. Cyclone would get 6.5. Goblins' Club would get 4. Tyranny of Beauty, 5. Phaedra, 9. Tangram, something between 9.5 and 10.3. Stratosfear, something between 9.5 and 10.3 Force Majeure, 9.5. Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26034 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all PENFOLD Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:35 am Subject: OT: Techno??? After suffering from the proliferation of Techno playing camps at Burning Man 1999, especially one on the outskirts of the village I was camping in (they powered down at 5:30AM), somebody made the observation that from a distance, Techno is virtually indistinguishable from the sound of boots in a dryer. In fact, a guy from another village actually made a recording of boots in the dryer and played it on one of the radio stations! As for Trance, it's much more tolerable. But when it runs at an obscene volume until 7:30am less than 100' from your tent (Black Rock Space Port at Burning Man 2000) it's enough to make Mother Teresa do some ultra-violence! What did our village (Gigsville) do? We waited until ~11:30am and went into their camp space with bullhorns, air raid sirens, drums, banged on pots and pans, and my 12' GONG! After rudely waking them up, we let them fall back asleep and repeated the performance 45 minutes later. Their camp was quiet that evening. Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all At 01.02.14 16:34, John Marchington wrote: >Hear! Hear! I've always considered the title track to be one of TD's most >inspired creations, and the second subject is especially lovely with some >great little nuances in rhythm as well. I play it a lot. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'Gustavo Jobim' >To: >Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 12:29 PM >Subject: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all > > >I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an underrated >chapter, or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. > >No Man's Land is one of the best examples of the mechanical sound from the >Schmoelling years. This album's one of my faves as well. I even like the Tangentized version of _No Man's Land_ The title and the eastern rhythms evoke images of the desert, which is one reason DJ DreamHead includes it on his play list when spinning at one of the radio stations at the Burning Man festival Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: Victor Rek Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI update Gary Jenkins wrote: > > Hi all just to let you know tdi have confirmed SBE gig at last and are > planning a tour of the USA june/july dates to be confirmed. > cheers Gary. To be more specific, TDI told me that the unconfirmed dates should be at the end of June through early July. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26040 Re: TDI update C. Chambers Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 5:54 pm Subject: re: Re: Bronzing CDs Yes, it's true. I contacted PDO, gave them all my info - all the numbers in the CD and my address - and they've sent me 2 or 3 emails saying they've already ordered a new CDV2226 (White Eagle) for me and that they'll send it to me ASAP. All you have to do is contact patburnshelpline@c..., ask for a new copy and give them your info. I'm 98% sure about the address, but you can confirm it on the Hyperion Records site, which can be found following a link in that page provided by Rolf. ---- From: 'tom george' why burn cdrs off them when the link that Rolf provided clearly states that PDO will replace all defective discs up to 20 years after they were pressed? tom -- From: Totta Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 11:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD USA? SWEDEN... Why cant whey came to sweden, ist a nice country, and they never have been here, buhubhu Totta 'James Horecka, AIA' wrote: > Is this true? TD is planning a tour to the USA???? (per Gary Jenkins). > > Y E S S S S S S S S S S S SS S S S S S S! That would be 'most excellent!' > > Sheesh, even though I am a gray-haired adult, I actually have DREAMS about > attending a Tangerine Dream concert! Pretty scary, eh? > > If TD tours the US of A, I will BE THERE! Hopefully some Western venues.... > Heck, if they were to play at more than one western venue, I might be > inspired to attend multiple events. That would be wild. > > I got a stack of TD CD's several feet long (well over a hundred + items > now), listening to it day in and day out. I drive my wife and daughter > crazy. > > Talk about crazy, with the Internet, ListServ, videos, etc., I almost feel > like I 'know' these guys. Gotta luv the 'net. It would be so cool to see > them perform, perhaps to even meet them. > > Currently listening to CD4 of 'i-box' while I crank out working drawings for > a commercial project. Ooops, better get back to work! > > Forever optimistic, > > James Horecka, AIA, Architect > jhorecka@p... http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka > DataCAD Roundhouse: http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka/DCADLinks.html > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 11:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD USA? Totta schrieb: > SWEDEN... Why cant whey came to sweden, ist a nice country, and they never have been here, buhubhu Germany 12 points, Sweden 0 points! hehe... ;-))))) But it's true, TD seem to have quite a lot of fans throughout whole Scandinavia but so far there hasn't been any single concert there. Shame on 'em! Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26049 SV: [tadream] TD USA? Pergamon Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:22 pm Subject: Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all --- In tadream@y..., Gustavo Jobim wrote: > I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an underrated chapter, or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. > > No Man's Land is one of the best examples of the mechanical sound from the Schmoelling years. > generally an ultimative track! This or Ravi Shankar focusses all cosmic energies in my living room! armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26044 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all Gary Jenkins Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 4:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI update > Gary Jenkins wrote: > > > > Hi all just to let you know tdi have confirmed SBE gig at last and are > > planning a tour of the USA june/july dates to be confirmed. > > cheers Gary. > > To be more specific, TDI told me that the unconfirmed dates should be at > the end of June through early July. > > Vic Atlanta?? Didn't someone float that rumor a while back? I know you would have asked :-) From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD USA? yes, if a USA tour pans out, I'll be there certainly, too, but I hope the info comes soon, so I have time to save $$ and plan a trip, as I'll be lucky if they come here to Cleveland. Although Cleveland is typically a no-miss market for most bands and genres, I'm only guessing (hoping I'm wrong), but they will probably only play the coasts. I'm sure they will shoot for the markets they think will fill the seats. but they seem to have done pretty well in Cleveland in the past, judging from the attendance I saw in '92, '88 and '86. But I wouldn't hold yer breath waiting for them to play Cloudburst Flight or anything. In 1992, I had not kept up with their new releases and was quite surprised at the Rockoon-based material, indeed dismayed as I had MY head in the past. But I'm sure we'll get plenty of heads-up from the Shepherd's Bush show. BTW, what does it mean 'There is a 10:15 p.m. curfew on the show'? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: James Horecka, AIA [mailto:jhorecka@p...] > Is this true? TD is planning a tour to the USA???? (per Gary Jenkins). > Y E S S S S S S S S S S S SS S S S S S S! That would be 'most > excellent!' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26042 Re: TD USA? TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD USA? At 10:23 14.02.01 , you wrote: >yes, if a USA tour pans out, I'll be there certainly, too, but I hope the >info comes soon, so I have time to save $$ and plan a trip, as I'll be lucky >if they come here to Cleveland. Although Cleveland is typically a no-miss >market for most bands and genres, I'm only guessing (hoping I'm wrong), but >they will probably only play the coasts. I'm sure they will shoot for the >markets they think will fill the seats. but they seem to have done pretty >well in Cleveland in the past, judging from the attendance I saw in '92, '88 >and '86. > >But I wouldn't hold yer breath waiting for them to play Cloudburst Flight or >anything. In 1992, I had not kept up with their new releases and was quite >surprised at the Rockoon-based material, indeed dismayed as I had MY head in >the past. But I'm sure we'll get plenty of heads-up from the Shepherd's >Bush show. BTW, what does it mean 'There is a 10:15 p.m. curfew on the >show'? > >Joe Dear Joe and list, to clear this confusion up - in case of the Shepherds Bush show on May 12th the '10:15 pm curfew' means that the show must be over by that time, i.e. all music will have to stop then and the crowd will have to leave the venue. Best regards, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') >From: Jared White > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...] > > > > In a message dated 2/11/01 2:25:57 AM, jwhite@s... writes: > > > > >Most modern 'dance' 'music' is utter shite, and this whole > > >'TDJ Rome' thing is starting to scare the bejeezus out of me. > > > > Well, sure, most of it is in fact shite--not that that somehow > > distinguishes > > it from any other genre. But if only *most* of it is bad, that > > would still > > mean that some of it is good. If Jerome does indeed go all-out with the > > techno thing as Sean suggested, there's no reason to just assume > > it'll turn > > out badly. Wait until you hear it; then decide if you like it. :) > >Well, I've already heard the TDJ Rome MP3's on the Ground Liftaz Web site, >and, though I realize they're short and don't give you much, they're enough >to show me that Jerome's already gone 'all-out' way too much for my liking. I just listened to both samples. Let's see, Edgar doesn't to do Tangerine Dream anymore, and Jerome doesn't have the desire or foundation to do EITHER Tangerine Dream OR fresh dance music. Time to pull the plug now? -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 7:04 pm Subject: Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all --- In tadream@y..., 'Armin Theissen' wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an > underrated chapter, or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. > > > > No Man's Land is one of the best examples of the mechanical sound > from the Schmoelling years. > > > Hi as shown on my email address Hyperborea the track is one of my all time favourite tracks no mans land and cinnamon road are also great my only problem is sphinx lightning which i feel starts of promising but does not live up to that promise perhaps i was hoping for another mojave plan. Cheers Gary > > > > > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 7:12 pm Subject: TD's Eclecticism On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:59:15 -0600 'Feldon Feldon' writes: >[. . .] Let's see, Edgar doesn't to do Tangerine Dream anymore, >and Jerome doesn't have the desire or foundation to do EITHER >Tangerine Dream OR fresh dance music. > > Time to pull the plug now? Why? There are an awful lot of people who complain about when a band is in a rut, churning out the same thing year after year, and here our fave band is pretty much doing everything *but* that -- so I myself am more greatful than grumpy about their eclecticism. What other band would put out records like MARS POLARIS, THE SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET, and THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA all in the span of two years? > -Morgan MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films, SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream, MY WEB SITE http://members.spree.com/molasar/ UFO abduction literature, EBAY http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ and transgenderal issues. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: djpinky420@h... Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 8:42 pm Subject: Remember the Orb?? Hey Guys!! I'm a big TD fan and I also really dig the Orb. Remember Danny Tenaglia's remix of Little Fluffy Clouds? I wonder what he's gonna remix off of Cydonia, their new album coming out Feb. 26. I think y'all should check it out cause I know I'm going to. peese. =) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26047 Re: Remember the Orb?? Joe Shoults Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB 26050 SV: [tadream] Remember the Orb?? Pergamon Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 9:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Remember the Orb?? wasn't he the host of 'Dance Fever'? > -----Original Message----- > From: djpinky420@h... [mailto:djpinky420@h...] > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 3:43 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Remember the Orb?? > > > Remember > Danny Tenaglia's remix From: 'tom george' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 10:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deborah Johnson sorry for the private post to the list but i have fatal email problems ever since Lycos took over Angelfire. i try to access mail from 9 days ago and it tells me they are no longer there even though i can read the headers. so would Deborah please repost your email to me entitled 'TD East Tennessee Roaming' dated 2/5/01 and any others you may have written to my hotmail address. thank you. eloyusa30@h... Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 11:05 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] TD USA? Germany 12 points, Sweden 0 points! hehe... ;-))))) But it's true, TD seem to have quite a lot of fans throughout whole Scandinavia but so far there hasn't been any single concert there. Shame on 'em! Heiko Couldn't agree with you more. Apparently TD does not feel the need to enlighten their fans in Scandinavia with performances here. There are several good places for a performance in both Denmark and Sweden. Shame on you TD. Jan From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 11:15 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Remember the Orb?? From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 11:42 pm Subject: latest word on TD USA 2001 Tour '...things are looking very good that this tour will indeed take place' * 14-15 dates (it is not yet clear if any venues will have multiple dates) * late June, early July * handled by ICM management (a major entertainment agency) however, it is too early to confirm anything, so don't get yer panties in a bunch just yet! ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26052 Re: latest word on TD USA 2001 Tour Dave Brewer Thu 2/15/2001 3 KB From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 4:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] latest word on TD USA 2001 Tour Arrrgh! They're starting to bunch up! I have seen TD live once, back in '92 in Scottsdale. I was looking forward to this possible upcoming tour and then I realized, I'm going to be in L.A. for this year's Anime Expo July 4-8. If they're coming to Arizona for this tour, it better not be during that time! If they're in L.A. during that time, I may have to catch a cab or something over to the concert! Maybe hook up with someone there?? Returning to lurk mode... Dave B. (looking forward to Okefenokee 2001) -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shoults To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 4:44 PM Subject: [tadream] latest word on TD USA 2001 Tour >'...things are looking very good that this tour will indeed take place' > >* 14-15 dates (it is not yet clear if any venues will have multiple dates) >* late June, early July >* handled by ICM management (a major entertainment agency) > >however, it is too early to confirm anything, so don't get yer panties in a >bunch just yet! >;-) > From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 5:53 am Subject: Klaus Schulze Wanted Would anyone here who has the Klaus Schulze Sound sample disc like the one Groove just auctioned please contact me OFFLIST regarding getting a CDR copy of this disc. PLEASE. THE HIGHLANDER aka Robert email: hghlndr@t... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26054 Re: Klaus Schulze Wanted Kees Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB 26055 Re: Klaus Schulze Wanted Robert Grabowsky Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB From: Kees Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 12:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Wanted At 00:53 15/02/2001 -0500, you wrote: > Would anyone here who has the Klaus Schulze Sound sample disc like the >one Groove just auctioned please contact me OFFLIST regarding getting a CDR >copy of this disc. PLEASE. Sorry but I must correct you. We do NOT auction this disc! We RAFFLE a copy between people who bought/buy something in the period Jan 15 - Feb 15 2001. So today's the last day to participate. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26055 Re: Klaus Schulze Wanted Robert Grabowsky Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 12:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Wanted The CD I am looking for is called THE COLLECTION it is a sound library CD. THE HIGHLANDER From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 2:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > It was a delight when I discovered the origin of that harpsi(chord)˛ > - the harpsichord chord - because it was one of the first TD sounds > I had ever heard My PC plays this particular chord at Windows startup, instead of the Brian Eno tune. The same chord was also used by Paul Lawler (oops, I mean Arcane :-)) on the track 'The visible empty man' - album Future Wreck. The first time I heard this track, I was playing the CD on my PC. When the Sphynx Lightning chord strikes for the first time, I thought: why is my PC playing the startup sound together with the CD?! Then the chord strikes again, and at that time I was convinced that my PC was completely mad :-) But finally I realized that the chord was part of 'The visible empty man', and now that track is my favourite of that album. Hyperborea fans should listen to Future Wreck and particularly to the aforementioned track. It's a very 'striking' experience! Antonio Nunes np: Arcane - Alterstill From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 3:13 pm Subject: OT: mail footer links After we stop running the footer link for Dreamwatcher's Tales (below), I'm thinking it would be good to run rotating links to the individual artists' sites/info. If you want to be included in the rotation, click here: mailto:tadream-owner@y...?subject=include in footer rotati on If you reply, I'll also make sure your info is updated on the musos page (http://www.tadream.net/musos), so you can include any additional info for that page too if you want. Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26061 Re: OT: mail footer links Joe Shoults Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 3:25 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again i have 'Rushes' and i like it alot. i have heard rumors of it being McCartney but it sure doesn't mention it anywhere in the package. it does look like his daughter 'Stella' that is naked under the disc. there are 2 more copies of this collecting dust at my local 'Best Buy'. if anyone wants me to secure them a copy let me know at: eloyusa30@h... -- On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:46:11 Sean Montgomery wrote: > > >'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' wrote: > >> > However check out the The Fireman release called 'Rushes' >> > which is indeed Mr McCartney and totally chilled ambient >> > effort and rather good (IMO)..... but lightmonths away from TD and >> > Kraftwerk. >> >> Isnt there a second Fireman release as well? Maybe that sounds more like TD >> or KW? > >Actually, Rushes *is* the second Fireman release. I can't remember the exact name of the first album, but it had the word 'Strawberry' in it, if I'm not mistaken. Rushes is >pretty cool. A bit like Eno's 'Apollo', with its addition of acoustic guitar. Very laid-back. > > >-- >SEAN MONTGOMERY > >T O P I X / Mad Dog >http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 3:45 pm Subject: Arcane /Max Richter new stuff Hi , I`ve uploaded the first track in my guise as Max Richter to the Arcane page . The track is called 'The House of Visual Transference ' I would welcome all comments good or bad (oh no Jareds not on list anymore is he ) as they will shape the rest of the album Hope you all like it . Click the link below . Paul http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26062 Re: Arcane /Max Richter new stuff lawlermusic Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 3:55 pm Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again tom george > i have 'Rushes' and i like it alot. i have heard > rumors of it being McCartney but it sure doesn't > mention it anywhere in the package. It is pretty much confirmed that Paul is the Fireman. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 3:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: mail footer links oops- I put an extra 'o' in the e-mail link (thanks j.gordon) use this one instead: mailto:tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com?subject=include in footer rotatio n > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...] > sites/info. If you want to be included in the rotation, click here: > mailto:tadream-owner@y...?subject=include in f From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane /Max Richter new stuff Just been told the track has two gliches on it 5.21 and 5.40 ish , I`ll try and upload another version of it later on .Bloody MP3s http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- From: 'Scott' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 9:52 pm Subject: Re: TD USA? >Is this true? TD is planning a tour to the USA???? (per Gary Jenkins). >Y E S S S S S S S S S S S SS S S S S S S! That would be 'most excellent!' >Sheesh, even though I am a gray-haired adult, I actually have DREAMS about >attending a Tangerine Dream concert! Pretty scary, eh? >If TD tours the US of A, I will BE THERE! Hopefully some Western venues.... >Heck, if they were to play at more than one western venue, I might be >inspired to attend multiple events. That would be wild. Given their obvious liking of the American West, I think they'll definitely head out there, but still, until you have a ticket in your hand, no, until they take the stage, don't hold your breath. We've been through this before! About your dreams, all I can say is, now you know how your daughter feels about N'Sync! :-) I just hope that there will be tapers at each of the venues. Scott From: joe@t... Date: Fri Feb 16, 2001 10:32 am Subject: Real Dream Encores Hi-hoo! At this very moment enjoying 'the real dream encores'. Thanks Rolf! ;-) - Who can supply the cover/booklet? / Johan, sthlm.se :) From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri Feb 16, 2001 11:04 am Subject: Max Richter MP3 Right , there is a new version up now without the dropouts , and sounding a lot clearer .God knows what happened to the first one . Try again if you will . I am looking for comments , however trivial , bad , good etc .Call it market research to try and make the album appeal to as many people as possible . I`ll be away till next thursday , but I`ll get any responses (providing there are any :! ) then Paul http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- From: Felna Greymane Date: Fri Feb 16, 2001 5:49 pm Subject: My apologies Sorry for posting this to list. Chris, email I am sending you is bouncing. The address I am replying to is 'CJ' . Thanks. Jeff Stevenson greymane@k... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Sat Feb 17, 2001 7:14 pm Subject: Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Okay, I've decided to pop up from Lurk mode again and admit that I will be going to see TD in may. Glynn, should I try and find my wonder t-shirt again? 8-) Conrad, I don't see yur name down in the list - going your own way this time. You may be the only face I remember (since we bumped into each other at Glasgow a couple of years back). Anyway, look forqward to meeting you guys in the Moon on the Green pub. BTW, did someone post some reasonably priced hotels in the area? Cheers, Craig Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26071 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Michael A Jean Sun 2/18/2001 2 KB From: 'James Williams' Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 2:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush I'll Be There, So will my mate I've not been keeping track of messages on the list the last few weeks, so apologies if this has already been covered. Are there any plans to meet up prior to the concert? James ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Craig Cordrey' To: Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 7:14 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush > > Okay, I've decided to pop up from Lurk mode again and admit that I will be > going to see TD in may. Glynn, should I try and find my wonder t-shirt > again? 8-) > > Conrad, I don't see yur name down in the list - going your own way this > time. You may be the only face I remember (since we bumped into each other > at Glasgow a couple of years back). > > Anyway, look forqward to meeting you guys in the Moon on the Green pub. > > BTW, did someone post some reasonably priced hotels in the area? > > Cheers, > Craig > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 11:29 am Subject: auction closed Hi all, the auction on my rarities page is now closed. I'll leave the results on display for a few days. Quinoa and the Rockoon single were not sold, so feel free to bid below the minimum bid - but with no obligation for me to accept it. http://www.caby.de/Rarity cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27590 auction closed Klaus Beschorner Sun 7/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 3:44 pm Subject: wants hi everyone i am after a number of rare 7' singles and a few promo cds please check out my items wanted section on my web site (URL below) i will trade vast amounts of cdrs (check out my unofficial releases list) or i will buy (no silly prices please :-) ) if any one can help me please get in touch thanks ps please sign my guest book hope to see most of you in may at the concert!!! Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 3:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Just to update folks, I was considering attending the UK show, but I just accepted a job in Washington DC, and will be packing and movng across the country in the next month or so...So the chances of flying off to the UK seem pretty slim, given all these other costs...I may also fall behind in my email...I look forward to meeting up with some East Coast TD fans some time in the future...And if a tour does materialize, hopefully I'll be able to meet up with you at a show or two... MJ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 5:42 pm Subject: Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Hello everyone, I've just noticed a baby sound in Coefficient of Aural Expansion (a.k.a. Ruby in the Sky), London 9/4/75 - or is it 4/9/75? - exactly on the first cd-long track, at 48:12. Do you hear the same thing? So that makes Jerome a TD member since 75... But back then he was the singer :) Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26114 Re: Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Phil Wingfield Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 36860 Underground VCD news by Rainer ! Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Mon 10/28/2002 2 KB 26119 Re: Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Feldon Feldon Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 26123 Re: Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Antonio Nunes Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 4:10 am Subject: 'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... Hi gang, Germany's monthly paper 'musikexpress' (issue #2/2001, February) has asked 'experts' (mostly journalists) and issued a poll of the 50 'best' Germanrock records which 'made history'. Among them, on rank #32 (between Die Fantastischen Vier: 'Die vierte Dimension' and Amon Düül II: 'Phallu Dei'): TD's 'Phaedra'. The album is 'a milestone of electronic music, the founder of a new genre', the magazine found out. 'For Tangerine Dream, this meant the initial starting of a still lasting international carreer.' Besides the lines about the LP, the magazine printed a short (!) interview with Edgar Froese, saying: 'It was absolutely impossible at that time to calculate with such a success (rank #8 in the British charts 1974), beecause there was no relative scale for such a kind of music', and: 'We feel confirmed that a kind of music which had been laughed at then has turned into a really serious part of music history today.' Some other ranks: 1. Kaftwerk: Autobahn 2. Can: Monster Movie 3. Trio: Trio ('Da da da') 4. Ton Steine Scherben: Keine Macht für niemand 5. Fehlfarben: Monarchie und Alltag 6. Nina Hagen Band: same 7. Neu!: same 8. Ideal: same 9. Can: Tago Mago 10. Udo Lindenberg: Alles klar auf der Andrea Doria ... 15. Kaftwerk: Trans Europa Express 22. Kaftwerk: Die Mensch-Maschine 25. Can: Ege Bamyasi 28. Kraftwerk: same 29. Faust: Faust 34. Kraftwerk: Computerwelt 35. Karlheinz Stockhausen: Kontakte 37. Scorpions: Lovedrive 44. Neu!: Neu 2 45. BAP: Für Usszeschnigge (Seems they have asked the Kraftwerk fanclub to act as jury... ;-) ) Greetings, Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26081 'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... Whiteley, Steve Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB 26088 Re: 'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... Victor Rek Tue 2/20/2001 2 KB 26105 Re: 'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... Armin Theissen Wed 2/21/2001 4 KB From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 9:44 am Subject: please have a look hi everyone this is the list of items i need to (almost) complete my collection Compact Disc Singles Desert Train (Promo Cd) Cat Scan (Promo Cd) Goblins Club (US Promo CD on Sequel records) Heartbreakers (Virgin Records CD) 7 Inch Singles Monolight/Cherokee Lane 7' Monolight/Desert Dream 7' Monolight pt II/Coldwater Canyon pt II 7' Flashoint /Going West 7' Excerpts from Force Majeure 7' Cinnamon Road/Hyperborea 7' Excerpts from Ricochet/Same 7' Promo Extracts from Rubycon/Same 7' Promo Betrayal/Search 7' Grind/Grind 7' Grind/Betrayal 7' Grind/Impression of Sorcerer 7' Stratosfear/The Big Sleep in Search of Hades 7'(not the DJ Promo) Beach Theme/Burning Bar 7' Promo Lady Green Grass/Love of Mine 7' (The Ones) Love on a real train/Guido the killer pimp 7'' promo 12 Inch Singles Alexander Sq/Berlin Summer Nights/Alexander Sq. Lp Version 12' Flashpoint/Going West 12' if anyone can help please email me off list thanks in advance Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Quichotte' Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 11:36 am Subject: OT - The House of Visual Trans Hi all, Does anybody have Paul Lawler's new composition The House of Visual Trans, as available on mp3.com, somewhere on a serwer in Europe. I have been trying to download it from mp3.com but I'm not getting anywhere - the transfer rate is too slow. Would much appreciate all guidance I can get at quichotte@p... Best regards Michael Sopot, Poland -- From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 3:38 pm Subject: OT - redshift? I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I downloaded some stuff off Napster that has a female vocalist: Splashdown--Redshift--04-Waterbead.mp3 SubMethod - 03 - Redshift.mp3 Splashdown - Ironspy - Redshift EP.mp3 Splashdown - A Charming Spell - Redshift EP.mp3 Splashdown - Redshift EP - 03 - Mayan Pilot.mp3 Redshift II - 1. A Midnight Clear.mp3 I like it a lot. Is the Redshift I hear of from time to time on this list? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26077 Re: OT - redshift? Rainer Rutka Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB 26078 Re: OT - redshift? Joe Shoults Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB 26079 Re: OT - redshift? Gary Jenkins Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB 26080 Re: OT - redshift? Sean Montgomery Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB 26082 Re: OT - redshift? Synthhtnys@a... Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 3:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - redshift? On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Joe Shoults wrote: > I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I downloaded some stuff > off Napster that has a female vocalist: > Redshift II - 1. A Midnight Clear.mp3 This is the original Redshift. A MUST-HAVE RECORD!!!! If you like 70ies TD - you'll love(!) the 2nd Restshift CD (and the first and third, too). You can get it by Groove (www.groove.nl)! > I like it a lot. :-)) Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 4:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - redshift? nevermind. I just found lots of Splashdown and the SubMethod was definitley not what I thought it was! > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...] > I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I > downloaded some stuff > off Napster that has a female vocalist: > > Splashdown--Redshift--04-Waterbead.mp3 > SubMethod - 03 - Redshift.mp3 > Splashdown - Ironspy - Redshift EP.mp3 > Splashdown... From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 4:24 pm Subject: Re: OT - redshift? --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I downloaded some stuff > off Napster that has a female vocalist: > > Splashdown--Redshift--04-Waterbead.mp3 > SubMethod - 03 - Redshift.mp3 > Splashdown - Ironspy - Redshift EP.mp3 > Splashdown - A Charming Spell - Redshift EP.mp3 > Splashdown - Redshift EP - 03 - Mayan Pilot.mp3 > Redshift II - 1. A Midnight Clear.mp3 > > I like it a lot. > > Is the Redshift I hear of from time to time on this list? Hi Joe certainly A midnight clear is from there album Ether not aware of the other tracks or use of vocals. Cheers Gary From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - redshift? In the case of the files with the word 'Splashdown', Redshift is the name of the album. Splashdown is the band. They have a Cocteau Twins-like kind of sound. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 6:27 pm Subject: RE:'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... 37. Scorpions: Lovedrive my first rock poster, I need to get the CD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 9:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - redshift? I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I downloaded some stuff off Napster that has a female vocalist: Splashdown--Redshift--04-Waterbead.mp3 SubMethod - 03 - Redshift.mp3 Splashdown - Ironspy - Redshift EP.mp3 Splashdown - A Charming Spell - Redshift EP.mp3 Splashdown - Redshift EP - 03 - Mayan Pilot.mp3 Redshift II - 1. A Midnight Clear.mp3 I like it a lot. Is the Redshift I hear of from time to time on this list? *(?) I don't think so.... There's no female vocalist... AFAIK. Although now that I think of it they do have a new album coming out soon. This could be a new change. But I doubt it..... does it sound like Rubycon? ;-) Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 10:49 pm Subject: RE: Broken Link...? nope. wish I did. what I have I think I obtained from Klaus, but I don't remember. Does anybody else have any other archives than what we have at http://tadream.net/archives/ ? Thanks, Joe > -----Original Message----- > I note you have 1990-1994... do you have any of the more > recent archives > from the UWP list, or weren't there any... I think I have > most of volume 15 > and 16 (not sure which dates they cover though....) > From: 'kayleigh' Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 12:46 am Subject: questions about touring information Hey there all. Just wanted to post a quick note about touring. I was told yesterday/today there is serious word of TD touring in the United States this coming SUMMER? Having been a huge huge fan of their music for years, this would be absolutely fabulous and amazing, BUT where is the best location/place to find the most updated tour information, including venues, etc? thanks for anyone's help. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse - LIVE ONLINE! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrock.musicpage.com AND TheTradingCircle@E... AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205) MSN Messenger: seasonsend97@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26085 Re: questions about touring information Feldon Feldon Tue 2/20/2001 3 KB 26086 Soundmill Navigator Steve Tue 2/20/2001 2 KB 26090 SV: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator Pergamon Tue 2/20/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 11:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] questions about touring information Here, or www.tadream.de From: 'kayleigh' Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com To: 'Tangerine Dream List' CC: 'TangerineDream' Subject: [tadream] questions about touring information Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:46:33 -0500 Hey there all. Just wanted to post a quick note about touring. I was told yesterday/today there is serious word of TD touring in the United States this coming SUMMER? Having been a huge huge fan of their music for years, this would be absolutely fabulous and amazing, BUT where is the best location/place to find the most updated tour information, including venues, etc? thanks for anyone's help. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse - LIVE ONLINE! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrock.musicpage.com AND TheTradingCircle@E... AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205) MSN Messenger: seasonsend97@h... Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Steve' Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 12:02 am Subject: Soundmill Navigator I loved the official release, despite others' reservations about it, and recently heard the original version, which I also loved. But what I couldn't stand with the official version was the cover art! I was playing yesterday and came up with this image... http://www.craftman.co.uk/2001/1/sn.htm Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26090 SV: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator Pergamon Tue 2/20/2001 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 3:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Red Shift Red Shift's 'Ether' CD has two *absolutely* phenomenal tracks, 'A Midnight Clear' and 'Ether'! Those two tracks are just totally awesome!!! And coming in at over fifty minutes worth just on those two tracks too. Must have been one helluva sight to see Shreeve at war with and get the best of his big moog! Sorry, but 'Rubycon' can't even hold a candle imo. Not that it's bad, but very few can. But 'Pergamon' is one that does come to my mind though. Paul Lawler's 'Gather Darkness' CD has a very nice 1-2 punch in the tracks 'Dystopian Fictions' and 'Gather Darkness'. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - redshift? > I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I downloaded some stuff > off Napster that has a female vocalist: > Splashdown--Redshift--04-Waterbead.mp3 > SubMethod - 03 - Redshift.mp3 > Splashdown - Ironspy - Redshift EP.mp3 > Splashdown - A Charming Spell - Redshift EP.mp3 > Splashdown - Redshift EP - 03 - Mayan Pilot.mp3 > Redshift II - 1. A Midnight Clear.mp3 > I like it a lot. > Is the Redshift I hear of from time to time on this list? > > *(?) I don't think so.... There's no female vocalist... AFAIK. > Although now that I think of it they do have a new album coming out soon. > This could be a new change. > But I doubt it..... does it sound like Rubycon? ;-) > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26094 Re: Red Shift Marcel Engels Tue 2/20/2001 3 KB From: Victor Rek Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 4:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE:'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... By the way, was there ever a concert played on the John Peel show to support the Phaedra tour? I heard a rumor. Vic From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 7:51 am Subject: Just when you think you have everything... ...along comes a white label promo 1967 single of 'Lady Greengrass/Love of mine' by THE ONES. The line-up included a young guitar player whose name was Edgar Froese.... :-) You can see my 3-day auction at the following URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1411535140 Be there or be square ~lol~ Heiko From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:35 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator Hello Steve Well I actually liked the official releasecover, but I really like your image. Nice work. Jan -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Steve [mailto:steve@c...] Sendt: 20. februar 2001 01:03 Til: tadream@yahoogroups.com Emne: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator I loved the official release, despite others' reservations about it, and recently heard the original version, which I also loved. But what I couldn't stand with the official version was the cover art! I was playing yesterday and came up with this image... http://www.craftman.co.uk/2001/1/sn.htm Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 10:05 am Subject: Re: Broken Link > nope. wish I did. what I have I think I obtained from Klaus, but I don't > remember. > > Does anybody else have any other archives than what we have at > http://tadream.net/archives/ ? I have the complete archives of the tadream@u... mailing lists. They are rather monstrous, and the format is one Netscape mail folder per year. They can be read ok with a simple text editor, and imported into Outlook etc. , but would have to be split up into monthly chunks to fit the existing format. Anyone care, let me know. klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26095 Re: Broken Link Robert Grabowsky Tue 2/20/2001 2 KB From: Glynn Naughton Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 3:52 pm Subject: Two TDs for the price of one Hello there, I think it was Mr.Feldman who recently posted about TD's eclecticism. I have a suspicion that TD has now almost become a vehicle for two solo musicians to share alternately. Edgar once said that they used to ascribe each composition to all band members for simplicity, even though one (or more) of the members might not have contributed anything (and I think most of us are pretty adept at picking out the de facto Johannes solo tracks or whatever from various albums). I'm almost tempted to believe that they've extended this approach to whole albums. 'Hey, dad,' sez Jerome, 'can I borrow the keys to TD to make a techno album?' The result is _Dream Mixes 3_. 'Jerome, I need TD back to do some classical stuff,' sez Edgar later, and out pops _Star Trooper_. Who knows whether this is the case, but it seems that Edgar and Jerome are so divergent musically that I find it hard to imagine them co-existing in a traditional partnership. I get the feeling that Jerome isn't remotely interested in Edgar's pseudo-classical leanings, and, equally, I find it hard to credit that a going-on-57-year-old man could have any warmth for drum'n'bass or breakbeats. It wouldn't surprise me if TD albums now feature no contribution whatsoever from the 'other' member. This is not a criticism, just some speculation on what I think might be going on behind the scenes. Sound reasonable? Glynn BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their albums some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of nature... 'I'm a romantic adventurer And you're a reptile too. But it don't make no difference Cos I ain't gonna be easy, easy, The only time I'm gonna be easy's when I'm Killed by death.' Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26093 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Richard Tue 2/20/2001 3 KB 26144 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Roger Hartopp Fri 2/23/2001 2 KB 26096 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Sean Montgomery Tue 2/20/2001 4 KB 26111 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Erik Sanborn Wed 2/21/2001 5 KB 26121 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Joe Shoults Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB From: Richard Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >I think it was Mr.Feldman who recently posted about TD's eclecticism. I have >a suspicion that TD has now almost become a vehicle for two solo musicians >to share alternately. Edgar once said that they used to ascribe each >composition to all band members for simplicity, even though one (or more) of >the members might not have contributed anything (and I think most of us are >pretty adept at picking out the de facto Johannes solo tracks or whatever >from various albums). I'm almost tempted to believe that they've extended >this approach to whole albums. 'Hey, dad,' sez Jerome, 'can I borrow the >keys to TD to make a techno album?' The result is _Dream Mixes 3_. 'Jerome, >I need TD back to do some classical stuff,' sez Edgar later, and out pops >_Star Trooper_. > >Who knows whether this is the case, but it seems that Edgar and Jerome are >so divergent musically that I find it hard to imagine them co-existing in a >traditional partnership. I get the feeling that Jerome isn't remotely >interested in Edgar's pseudo-classical leanings, and, equally, I find it >hard to credit that a going-on-57-year-old man could have any warmth for >drum'n'bass or breakbeats. It wouldn't surprise me if TD albums now feature >no contribution whatsoever from the 'other' member. > >This is not a criticism, just some speculation on what I think might be >going on behind the scenes. Sound reasonable? Very much. It sounds very feasible. - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOpKVhjBWmWbUzpzAEQLJDgCffNwSocVGSKs9ocHJqn0zGN3K5DwAoJFi uMwJ83GC0XRyZ09KgAJb7MGq =xMnG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26144 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Roger Hartopp Fri 2/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 4:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Red Shift > From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...] > > Red Shift's 'Ether' CD has two *absolutely* phenomenal tracks, 'A Midnight > Clear' and 'Ether'! Those two tracks are just totally awesome!!! > And coming > in at over fifty minutes worth just on those two tracks too. Must > have been > one helluva sight to see Shreeve at war with and get the best of his big > moog! Sorry, but 'Rubycon' can't even hold a candle imo. Not that > it's bad, > but very few can. But 'Pergamon' is one that does come to my mind though. > Paul Lawler's 'Gather Darkness' CD has a very nice 1-2 punch in the tracks > 'Dystopian Fictions' and 'Gather Darkness'. I agree that RedShift's music is great to listen too. I enjoy it very much too and luckily I saw him/them at the Alfa Centauri festival. But for me Rubycon (and most other TD albums from that period) is something different...and Mark doesn't even comes close. I find RedShift's (live)music a bit too 'perfect', no really strange chords. As I said, I enjoy them both but I prefer let's say Encore over Ether any time. Now, if you said something like that about Node then it's a different story. They are (imo) the only ones (and maybe one or two others) who have captured the 70s feeling. But we're not only looking for 'that' feeling right? :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Broken Link You can still access all of the information from the tadream archives of cs.uwp.edu thru: ftp://mirrors.aol.com/pub/music/artists Hope this helps you find what you are looking for. THE HIGHLANDER At 11:05 AM 2/20/01 +0100, you wrote: >> nope. wish I did. what I have I think I obtained from Klaus, but I don't >> remember. >> >> Does anybody else have any other archives than what we have at >> http://tadream.net/archives/ ? > >I have the complete archives of the tadream@u... mailing lists. >They are rather monstrous, and the format is one Netscape mail >folder per year. > >They can be read ok with a simple text editor, and imported into >Outlook etc. , but would have to be split up into monthly chunks >to fit the existing format. > >Anyone care, let me know. > >klaus From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 6:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one Glynn Naughton wrote: > It wouldn't surprise me if TD albums now feature no contribution whatsoever from the 'other' member. I've suspected this for quite a while. Last week, I opined that the reason nothing that TD has done since the first Dream Mixes has had much of an impact on me is that Jerome has had to find some kind of common ground with Edgar, and this has led to compromise-laden music. The son is clearly preoccupied with being a dance floor maven (albeit about ten years too late to be considered 'cutting edge'), and the father's fascination with classical music is taking centre stage. Of course, there *is* common ground between the two camps. William Orbit found it last year on 'Pieces in a Modern Style'. The trance version of Barber's 'Adiago for Strings' kicked my ass soundly. But based on what Edgar did for 'Pictures at an Exhibition', 'Largo' and on Ambient Monkies, I suspect that he has something more like Tomita or Wendy Carlos in mind...and dude, that's so 1970s. And so is the title 'Starship Trooper'. I mean, far out man. Put on the Yes and spark up a doob. Mars Polaris was only partially successful at bridging the gap between the two of them...which I suspect is because they're each actually getting more orthodox in their thinking. I think the primary reason the TD name still exists at all is that it's a well known brand name in electronic music, and Jerome knows that he'd have a tough time attracting interest if he struck out on his own. The spotty attendance at his Ground Liftaz event was a good example of that. (If the posters had promised a 'Tangerine Dream' show, you can be sure it would have been a packed house.) Perhaps Edgar is just giving him a chance to develop an independent voice before handing the franchise over. To make TD a vital band again, one of the Froeses will have to go, and the survivor will have to bring in a couple of new collaborators. Either that, or the name should just be retired. They are diluting the value of their brand name by putting out so many inconsistent albums. You never know if it'll be techno-y or a bunch of slow synth washes and fake harpsichord sounds. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: kevine@c... Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: Re: [OT] Lemmy > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their albums > some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the > classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of nature... > > 'I'm a romantic adventurer > And you're a reptile too. > But it don't make no difference > Cos I ain't gonna be easy, easy, > The only time I'm gonna be easy's when I'm > Killed by death.' > > Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' 'Only way to feel the noise is when it's good and loud, So good you can't believe it screaming with the crowd. Motorhead: Overkill To this day, the opening of 'The Chase is Better than the Catch' sends shivers down my spine. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26109 Re: [OT] Lemmy Brian Stewart Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 26113 Re: [OT] Lemmy Phil Wingfield Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 26115 Re: [OT] Lemmy Phil Wingfield Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 26127 Re: [OT] Lemmy Brian Stewart Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB From: Michael V Miller Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 6:10 pm Subject: Okefenokee Dreams Just wanted to write a quick note to you to tell you how much I really enjoyed your CD Okefenokee Dreams. I love the older Tangerine Dream sound (70's) and you captured it beautifully. I have not had the chance to hear anything else by you but I am curious. I am trying to find more like this kind of music but have not had much luck. This cd was a wonderful find. Thanks, and great job! Mike 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 2:35 am Subject: Rubycon/Red Shift I agree with most of what has been said regarding these two releases over the last day or so. I was lucky enough to be at the Jodrell Bank concert from which a lot of 'Ether' is taken, and thought, as I would expect everyone present did, that they have a fantsastic sound. And I've always felt 'Rubycon' to be TD's finest LP from the mid-70s era. What I don't agree with is the constant need to compare one LP with another. Music is far too subjective an experience to ever say that one LP is better than another. Comparisons can be drawn, certainly, but definite conclusions which place one album above another in some imagined musical strata just seems somewhat pointless and needless. Just enjoy both albums for what they are and what they represent. - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Michael V Miller Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 7:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams Opps sorry. Got sent to wrong address. I am very tired. Mike On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:10:26 -0500 Michael V Miller writes: > Just wanted to write a quick note to you to tell you how much I > really > enjoyed your CD Okefenokee Dreams. I love the older Tangerine Dream > sound (70's) and you captured it beautifully. I have not had the > chance > to hear anything else by you but I am curious. I am trying to find > more > like this kind of music but have not had much luck. This cd was a > wonderful find. Thanks, and great job! > > Mike > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia > http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm > The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this > much, > and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the > Love > of Christ. > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH% 20my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 7:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams I figured, but we appreciated the resounding approval for Marcel's CD. I don't think enough praise can be heaped upon this wonderful disc. -Morgan From: Michael V Miller Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:29:41 -0500 Opps sorry. Got sent to wrong address. I am very tired. Mike On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:10:26 -0500 Michael V Miller writes: > Just wanted to write a quick note to you to tell you how much I > really > enjoyed your CD Okefenokee Dreams. I love the older Tangerine Dream > sound (70's) and you captured it beautifully. I have not had the > chance > to hear anything else by you but I am curious. I am trying to find > more > like this kind of music but have not had much luck. This cd was a > wonderful find. Thanks, and great job! > > Mike > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia > http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm > The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this > much, > and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the > Love > of Christ. > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH% 20my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 1:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams Hello All, He may be tired, but I am old and forgetful. Would some 'Kind Soul' (Sorry, couldn't resist) please direct me to a source where I might pick up a copy of this disc. Thanks in advance. Neal > [Original Message] > From: Feldon Feldon > To: > Date: 2/20/01 2:43:47 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams > > I figured, but we appreciated the resounding approval for Marcel's CD. I > don't think enough praise can be heaped upon this wonderful disc. > > -Morgan > > From: Michael V Miller > Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:29:41 -0500 > > Opps sorry. Got sent to wrong address. > > I am very tired. > > Mike > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:10:26 -0500 Michael V Miller > writes: > > Just wanted to write a quick note to you to tell you how much I > > really > > enjoyed your CD Okefenokee Dreams. I love the older Tangerine Dream > > sound (70's) and you captured it beautifully. I have not had the > > chance > > to hear anything else by you but I am curious. I am trying to find > > more > > like this kind of music but have not had much luck. This cd was a > > wonderful find. Thanks, and great job! > > > > Mike > > > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia > > http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm > > The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this > > much, > > and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the > > Love > > of Christ. > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH% > 20my address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF > my address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia > http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm > The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, > and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love > of Christ. > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 3:43 am Subject: re:okefenokee dreams CD This is the only place I've been able to find it: http://www.groove.nl I think I'll get one, too. mike np: bowie at the beeb on deck: road to ruin (ramones) From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 7:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams Hi Neal, Try Groove Unlimited, Synth Music Direct, Backroads Music or Eurock. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Neal Frost' To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams > Hello All, > > He may be tired, but I am old and forgetful. Would some 'Kind Soul' (Sorry, > couldn't resist) please direct me to a source where I might pick up a copy > of this disc. > > Thanks in advance. > > Neal > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Feldon Feldon > > To: > > Date: 2/20/01 2:43:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams > > > > I figured, but we appreciated the resounding approval for Marcel's CD. I > > don't think enough praise can be heaped upon this wonderful disc. > > > > -Morgan > > > > From: Michael V Miller > > Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams > > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:29:41 -0500 > > > > Opps sorry. Got sent to wrong address. > > > > I am very tired. > > > > Mike > > > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:10:26 -0500 Michael V Miller > > writes: > > > Just wanted to write a quick note to you to tell you how much I > > > really > > > enjoyed your CD Okefenokee Dreams. I love the older Tangerine Dream > > > sound (70's) and you captured it beautifully. I have not had the > > > chance > > > to hear anything else by you but I am curious. I am trying to find > > > more > > > like this kind of music but have not had much luck. This cd was a > > > wonderful find. Thanks, and great job! > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia > > > http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm > > > The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this > > > much, > > > and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the > > > Love > > > of Christ. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > > > List artists, is ready for distribution! 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Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > 'I have gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, > Please keep me here.' > > > --- Neal Frost > --- strat95@e... > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:40 am Subject: Re: 'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... Hi, this is a very interesting list. I'd like to see the full one. Always amazing is how Karlheinz Stockhausen makes it there. I'm a big admirer of Stockhausen, but what is he doing under german 'Rock'? In this context, having Stockhausen 32 positions under 'Trio' (which was mererly a NDW joke of the early 80s) is very very odd... Anyway, though I don't live in Germany anymore for 6 years, and peope think I have an irish accent (except the irish), it is becoming obvious to me that I'm still very very german, for I have or at least know and also mostly like all the records listed here. Nina Hagen and the Spliff Radio Show, Scorpion's Lovedrive, geez - those were the days.... ;-) cheers armin --- In tadream@y..., peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: > Hi gang, > > Germany's monthly paper 'musikexpress' (issue #2/2001, February) has > asked 'experts' (mostly journalists) and issued a poll of the 50 'best' > Germanrock records which 'made history'. Among them, on rank #32 (between > Die Fantastischen Vier: 'Die vierte Dimension' and Amon Düül II: 'Phallu > Dei'): TD's 'Phaedra'. > > The album is 'a milestone of electronic music, the founder of a new > genre', the magazine found out. 'For Tangerine Dream, this meant the > initial starting of a still lasting international carreer.' > > Besides the lines about the LP, the magazine printed a short (!) > interview with Edgar Froese, saying: 'It was absolutely impossible at that > time to calculate with such a success (rank #8 in the British charts 1974), > beecause there was no relative scale for such a kind of music', and: > 'We feel confirmed that a kind of music which had been laughed at then has > turned into a really serious part of music history today.' > > Some other ranks: > 1. Kaftwerk: Autobahn > 2. Can: Monster Movie > 3. Trio: Trio ('Da da da') > 4. Ton Steine Scherben: Keine Macht für niemand > 5. Fehlfarben: Monarchie und Alltag > 6. Nina Hagen Band: same > 7. Neu!: same > 8. Ideal: same > 9. Can: Tago Mago > 10. Udo Lindenberg: Alles klar auf der Andrea Doria > ... > 15. Kaftwerk: Trans Europa Express > 22. Kaftwerk: Die Mensch-Maschine > 25. Can: Ege Bamyasi > 28. Kraftwerk: same > 29. Faust: Faust > 34. Kraftwerk: Computerwelt > 35. Karlheinz Stockhausen: Kontakte > 37. Scorpions: Lovedrive > 44. Neu!: Neu 2 > 45. BAP: Für Usszeschnigge > > (Seems they have asked the Kraftwerk fanclub to act as jury... ;-) ) > > Greetings, > Peter From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:42 am Subject: Redshift any takers Sorry cannot get into this at all, got it because Mark Shreeve involved thought it might be sequences with a bit of melody at least, then again not a lover of any TD before Stratosfear so anybody looking for a copy I will gladly send it. Has anybody got Nemesis Sky Archeology I have just recieved it is excellent more my style. Cheers Gary NP. Redshift Ether (never mind stick to you Legion style Mark) From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 7:54 am Subject: EF versus JF was RE: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one Hello Glynn, I am 43 and love techno,drum'n'bass or breakbeats.( not all the time:)) the way TD does it is COOL. What is the different between 57 and 43 or 43 and 20. Age, It's all in your mind:-) Look what Klaus Schulze is doing: Trance, Opera, Ballet... I think that the combination of EF & JF is great, better than Froese, Franke & Hasslinger. ;-) > greetings Bert am a fan of Motorhead too. > ---------- > From: Glynn Naughton[SMTP:glynnn@o...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 16:52 > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com ' > Subject: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one > > equally, I find it > hard to credit that a going-on-57-year-old man could have any warmth for > drum'n'bass or breakbeats. > > > Glynn > > > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their > albums > some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the > classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of > nature... > > 'I'm a romantic adventurer > And you're a reptile too. > But it don't make no difference > Cos I ain't gonna be easy, easy, > The only time I'm gonna be easy's when I'm > Killed by death.' > > Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26108 for Bert (Motoerhead) (sorry 'bif off-toppig) Rainer Rutka Wed 2/21/2001 3 KB 26120 SV: EF versus JF was RE: [tadream] Two TDs for th Pergamon Wed 2/21/2001 4 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 10:59 am Subject: for Bert (Motoerhead) (sorry 'bif off-toppig) On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 bert.hulshoff@d... wrote: > am a fan of Motorhead too. Me, too! I met Lemmy in a Vienna hotel some years ago and drank some beer with him. He was very pleased, I own approx. 70% of all his records and gave me a concert-ticket for the next evening. He is a very nice guy and very friendly and natural (private). Do you know, he's spending money for a children-hospital in ... (don't remember)? Yes: Lemmy the Animal! Unfortunately the concert was only 15 minutes long because Lemmy was ill (not because of the beer I hope ). I saw Motoerhead twice. OK, 'bit too loud but: YEAAAAAA!!!! I'm approx. 40 but that doesn't matter :-)))) > > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their... > > Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' Motoerhaed rules! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 11:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [OT] Lemmy Me too! Motorhead & Lemmy-era Hawkwind are two of my other favourite bands. One of the first concerts I ever attended was on the 'Bomber' tour. An outstanding performance in all ways, it is still one one of the shows that I judge all others by. Very few have equalled or exceeded it. None have been quite as loud either! I've seen them several times since but the line-up with Eddie & Philthy was, to me, the best by a long way. A few weeks ago I read that Lemmy was seriously ill & hospitalised. Does anyone know if he is recovering? Very Best Brian >BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their albums >some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the >classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of nature... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 802 Subject: Re: Two TDs for the price of one Sean Montgomery said: >>> I think the primary reason the TD name still exists at all is that it's a well known brand name in electronic music, and Jerome knows that he'd have a tough time attracting interest if he struck out on his own. The spotty attendance at his Ground Liftaz event was a good example of that. (If the posters had promised a 'Tangerine Dream' show, you can be sure it would have been a packed house.) Perhaps Edgar is just giving him a chance to develop an independent voice before handing the franchise over. >>> To make TD a vital band again, one of the Froeses will have to go, and the survivor will have to bring in a couple of new collaborators. Either that, or the name should just be retired. They are diluting the value of their brand name by putting out so many inconsistent albums. You never know if it'll be techno-y or a bunch of slow synth washes and fake harpsichord sounds. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY Yes! New TD memebers. I've been thinking about this since I've heard a bunch of TD solo albums: JS's Wuivend Riet (one of the very best TD solo albums), Baumann's Transharmonic Nights (very nice, with some brilliant moments), and Franke's Klemania (very nice too). Why does it seem (to many of us, to me, at least) that the best TD music ended with Franke's departure? Maybe it's because TD had became, and have been since, two people. I think what TD needs is a third *creative member*, still the Johannes substitute we've been waiting for since Le Parc. GJ after playing a few tracks from Wuivend From: 'Erik Sanborn' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 1:40 pm Subject: Re: Two TDs for the price of one Hi Glynn, Actually that recent post was from me, responding to Steven's post re: Seven Letters from Tibet. I tend to lurk these days so it doesn't surprise me if people don't remember me. :-) I think your speculation is quite accurate. While I appreciate the variety and apparent eclecticism of TD, I too sense that recent TD albums are being made by mostly one musician. This is okay for the short term but may not work well in the long term. The TD name still has meaning to people but that meaning may get diluted, confused or just plain reduced if people don't know what 'flavor' of TD the next album will be. Is it: techno TD ? new age TD ? neo-classical TD ? hip-hop TD ? TD ? Too much eclecticism may feel rather schizophrenic. In the long term, I think it will be necessary for the two musicians to go their own ways. This is not necessarily a bad thing but it will be a marketing challenge for whoever is not carrying the TD name. Here's a thought: Edgar gives the keys to TD over to Jerome. Jerome takes TD in the direction he is currently headed, for better or for worse. Edgar does then some solo albums with select guest musicians helping him out. Eventually he asks Johannes to collaborate with him again. TD fans worldwide shout, 'Woo-hoo!' and there is much rejoicing. I can dream, can't I? :-) Regards, Erik > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:52:14 -0000 > From: Glynn Naughton > >Hello there, > >I think it was Mr.Feldman who recently posted about TD's eclecticism. I have >a suspicion that TD has now almost become a vehicle for two solo musicians >to share alternately. Edgar once said that they used to ascribe each >composition to all band members for simplicity, even though one (or more) of >the members might not have contributed anything (and I think most of us are >pretty adept at picking out the de facto Johannes solo tracks or whatever >from various albums). I'm almost tempted to believe that they've extended >this approach to whole albums. 'Hey, dad,' sez Jerome, 'can I borrow the >keys to TD to make a techno album?' The result is _Dream Mixes 3_. 'Jerome, >I need TD back to do some classical stuff,' sez Edgar later, and out pops >_Star Trooper_. > >Who knows whether this is the case, but it seems that Edgar and Jerome are >so divergent musically that I find it hard to imagine them co-existing in a >traditional partnership. I get the feeling that Jerome isn't remotely >interested in Edgar's pseudo-classical leanings, and, equally, I find it >hard to credit that a going-on-57-year-old man could have any warmth for >drum'n'bass or breakbeats. It wouldn't surprise me if TD albums now feature >no contribution whatsoever from the 'other' member. > >This is not a criticism, just some speculation on what I think might be >going on behind the scenes. Sound reasonable? > >Glynn From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 5:14 am Subject: OT: Re BOWIE AT THE BEEB On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:43:05 -0500 (EST) spawnofcthulhu@w... writes: >np: bowie at the beeb That CD pisses me off immensely. They cut the best track that should have been on there. The version of 'Andy Warhol' with lead vocals by Dana Gillespie! Grrrrr. :( I have it on a bootleg LP with a green cover and an image of David holding a gun from THE MAN WHO FELL TO EARTH. Is this track on a CD with decent sound, might you know??? Oh, and re TD, okefenokee dreams is real good. While you're at it, order the second Arcane CD (the first is sorta blah), and get anything from Air Sculpture except for their first (IMPOSSIBLE GEOMETRIES). -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'David Bowie told me Brian Eno gave him a record of I Feel Love and said 'David . . . I heard the future!'' -- Giorgio Moroder, on the UK Channel 4 television special, 'The UK's Greatest #1 Singles,' on January 6, 2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [OT] Lemmy First three albums were great. I like the Hawkwind originals of the tracks on the first album better though, Motorhead and The Watcher. There might have been others but I forget and the album is in the loft. > > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their > albums > > some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the > > classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of > nature... From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) > Hello everyone, > I've just noticed a baby sound in Coefficient of Aural Expansion (a.k.a. Ruby in the Sky), London 9/4/75 - or is it 4/9/75? - exactly on the first cd-long track, at 48:12. Do you hear the same thing? > > So that makes Jerome a TD member since 75... But back then he was the singer :) Also at 41.33, 41.59, 42.07, 43.50 and 44.01. How sad and bored am I? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 36860 Underground VCD news by Rainer ! Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Mon 10/28/2002 2 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [OT] Lemmy One of the first concerts I ever attended was on the 'Bomber' tour. Yeah, me too and Hawkwind the same year. First gig was Dream though, in March 78. From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] for Bert (Motoerhead) (sorry 'bif off-toppig) Oh yeah, and I'm forty in August. Phil. > > I'm approx. 40 but that doesn't matter :-)))) > > > > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their... > > > Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' > Motoerhaed rules! From: 'Patrik .' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 9:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush ***Extremely late reply, but anyhow, I´m going too with a friend of mine; > >Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: > >Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > >David Foster (UK) > >Duncan McKee (UK) > >Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > >Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > >Glynn Naughton (France) > >Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > >Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > >Marion (UK) > >Matthew Stringer (UK) > >Michael Jean (USA, not sure) > >Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > >Paul Fellows (France) > >Rainer Rutka (Germany) > >Ray (UK) > >Roger Hartopp (Poland) ***Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) ----------------- cu there! Bye Patrik _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26122 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Geir Smedsrud Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB From: 'Patrik .' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 9:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD USA? Totta From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 10:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Either there's a baby in the audience, or it's samples by EF of JF. How interesting. -Morgan P.S. Safe bet we can remove the Dreamwatchers Tales banner now? From: 'Phil Wingfield' > Hello everyone, > I've just noticed a baby sound in Coefficient of Aural Expansion (a.k.a. Ruby in the Sky), London 9/4/75 - or is it 4/9/75? - exactly on the first cd-long track, at 48:12. Do you hear the same thing? > > So that makes Jerome a TD member since 75... But back then he was the singer :) Also at 41.33, 41.59, 42.07, 43.50 and 44.01. How sad and bored am I? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 10:09 pm Subject: SV: EF versus JF was RE: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one At last!!!!. I can only agree with you. Jan I am 43 and love techno,drum'n'bass or breakbeats.( not all the time:)) the way TD does it is COOL. What is the different between 57 and 43 or 43 and 20. Age, It's all in your mind:-) Look what Klaus Schulze is doing: Trance, Opera, Ballet... I think that the combination of EF & JF is great, better than Froese, Franke & Hasslinger. ;-) > greetings Bert am a fan of Motorhead too. > ---------- > From: Glynn Naughton[SMTP:glynnn@o...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 16:52 > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com ' > Subject: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one > > equally, I find it > hard to credit that a going-on-57-year-old man could have any warmth for > drum'n'bass or breakbeats. > > > Glynn > > > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their > albums > some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the > classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of > nature... > > 'I'm a romantic adventurer > And you're a reptile too. > But it don't make no difference > Cos I ain't gonna be easy, easy, > The only time I'm gonna be easy's when I'm > Killed by death.' > > Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 10:07 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Two TDs for the price of one that doesn't sound too far-fetched, but Ed's been in this genre for a while now. Makes me think he is not exactly looking to depart from the current direction. Maybe Jerome is not necessarily the only one pushing in that direction. > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Sanborn [mailto:esanborn@n...] > Here's a thought: > Edgar gives the keys to TD over to Jerome. Jerome takes TD in > the direction > he is currently headed, for better or for worse. > Edgar does then some solo albums with select guest musicians > helping him > out. Eventually he asks Johannes to collaborate with him > again. TD fans > worldwide shout, 'Woo-hoo!' and there is much rejoicing. > > I can dream, can't I? :-) > From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush At 22:15 21.02.01 +0100, you wrote: >***Extremely late reply, but anyhow, I´m going too with a friend of mine; > > > >Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: He he, I really hope you're meaning late in the evening and not late in relation to close to the concert! Looking forward to seeing you! Best Regards Geir (so drunk I missed the correct key half the time!!!!) From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 12:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Phil Wingfield wrote: > > > I've just noticed a baby sound in Coefficient of Aural Expansion (...) > Also at 41.33, 41.59, 42.07, 43.50 and 44.01. How sad and bored am I? Probably not as bored as that crying baby :-) Antonio Nunes From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 4:00 am Subject: re: OT: Bowie at the Beeb The Rise and Rise of Ziggy Stardust & Kiss the Viper's Fang both have the DG version of Andy Warhol. The Rise And Rise oF Ziggy Stardust http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/7446/BBC/BBC.htm Kiss The Vipers Fang http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/dylan/811/discography/discs/disc_0025.htm mike np: passion (peter gabriel) From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 8:05 am Subject: Re: Motorhead <> I dig a lot of the Motorhead stuff. Unlike most folks, though, I prefer the mid 80's stuff, with Wurzel and Phillip Campbell on guitars and either Pete Gill (I think that's the name of the drummer on Orgasmatron) or Philthy Animal Taylor on drums. No Sleep At All is a cool live album. I also like the No Remorse comp. I always thought Eat The Rich was a cool song. What do you think of the album they did with Brian Robertson on guitar? I only have heard the one or two songs that are on No Remorse, but I've always been curious about that one (being a big fan of Robbo's from his Thin Lizzy days). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26128 Re: Motorhead Brian Stewart Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB 26143 Re: Motorhead John McIntyre Fri 2/23/2001 2 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 8:07 am Subject: Re: Star Trooper <> Or he might have swiped the title from the same place that Jon Anderson stole it from, the Robert Heinlein novel Starship Troopers (yes, the one that inspired a gawdawful 'sci-fi' flick a couple years back). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [OT] Lemmy Yeah, me too and Hawkwind the same year. First gig was Dream though, in March 78. ----- I tried very hard to get to see TD about then but as it meant travelling my folks put the kybosh on that jaunt. Funny, they seemed not to mind my going to home gigs with the local Angels & other such colourful people. I still have the badge that a pal who did go brought back for me. The next time TD played in my vicinity it was the same day as my most important school leaving exam & after that I had the difficult choice between finally 'connecting' with a new girlfriend or going to see TD. I should have chosen TD, she didnt last too long! Ever since I have missed a number of TD shows all round the world by a whisker. Until now! Best Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 1:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Motorhead What do you think of the album they did with Brian Robertson on guitar? I only have heard the one or two songs that are on No Remorse, but I've always been curious about that one (being a big fan of Robbo's from his Thin Lizzy days). ---- I think that was Iron-Fist? It was quite good but to me lacked the edge of the real Motorhead. I saw them then too & again they were not the same band. A pity because Lizzy is for me another much-loved band from those days. I saw (& indeed met) them often around that time. They played several one-off/warm-up gigs in a local small nightclub - fantastic atmosphere! Just to keep this totally OT someone sent me this link, surreal! http://user.tninet.se/~prv247p/hatt/hatten.swf Can any of the Scandinavian members tell me what the hell is going on? Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:31 pm Subject: Re: Missed TD Hi, Brian! >have the badge that a pal who did go brought back for me. The next time TD >played in my vicinity it was the same day as my most important school >leaving exam & after that I had the difficult choice between finally >'connecting' with a new girlfriend or going to see TD. I should have chosen >TD, she didnt last too long! Ever since I have missed a number of TD shows You should have insisted on taking the 'new girlfriend' with you to go see TD... ...maybe the relationship would have lasted longer! ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26130 Re: Missed TD Brian Stewart Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB 26131 Re: Missed TD Utch Entel Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB 26132 Re: Missed TD Nick Adams Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB 26133 Re: Missed TD Brian Stewart Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB 26137 Missed TD olle.rundgren@s... Fri 2/23/2001 2 KB 26138 Re: Missed TD Dan Oakley Fri 2/23/2001 3 KB 26139 Re: Missed TD Utch Entel Fri 2/23/2001 3 KB 26140 Re: Missed TD Dan Oakley Fri 2/23/2001 4 KB 26146 Re: Missed TD Greg Sun 2/25/2001 3 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Missed TD You should have insisted on taking the 'new girlfriend' with you to go see TD... ...maybe the relationship would have lasted longer! ...Utch ----------- Nah! She couldnt stand them. Roy Harper & Stephen Stills were more her sort of thing. Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:45 pm Subject: Re: Missed TD >>You should have insisted on taking the 'new girlfriend' with you to go >>see TD... ...maybe the relationship would have lasted longer! >Nah! > >She couldnt stand them. Roy Harper & Stephen Stills were more her sort of >thing. She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 3:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Missed TD > She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a > relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't > TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! > > ...Utch Prepare to be Lonely the rest of your life then ;-) Nick Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... ICQ 44174543 From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 3:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Missed TD She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't TD! ---------------- Quite! I eventually found one who did. The result was ten years on an emotional rollercoaster for me! I only recently closed the door finally on that one - She left with most of my TD CDs (But not the vinyls thankfully) May they all bronze quickly! Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Patrik .' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush Geir Smedsrud wrote: He he, I really hope you're meaning late in the evening and not late in relation to close to the concert! Looking forward to seeing you! Best Regards Geir (so drunk I missed the correct key half the time!!!!) Spelling and granatical errors left in to tickle your mind> ------------- Hey Geir and all you other Shepherds, nah I guess we will be there early, it´s always fun to meet TD-people and chat about concerts and stuff. Helt akkurat Geir, vi ses i London! Ha de! Patrik, Stockholm (arctic conditions here, f*cking cold that is!) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26135 Pergamon noise Roy Teale Fri 2/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Roy Teale' Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 12:46 pm Subject: Pergamon noise I haven't seen this discussed before: My copy of Pergamon (CAROL CD 1 release) has some sort of noise at certain places in the tracks. I've listed a few here: track 1 :29 - pop track 2 1:09 - static 1:32 - static 2:25 - static 2:42 - static There are more on track 2, but I got tired of counting. I'm listening to this on headphones. At first I thought my stereo was distorting, but now I don't think so. So, is it just my copy, or do all copies of Pergamon have these anomalies? Roy From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Pergamon noise Hi, Roy! >I haven't seen this discussed before: My copy of Pergamon (CAROL CD 1 >release) has some sort of noise at certain places in the tracks. I've >listed a few here: >track 1 :29 - pop >track 2 1:09 - static > 1:32 - static > 2:25 - static > 2:42 - static > >There are more on track 2, but I got tired of counting. I'm listening to >this on headphones. At first I thought my stereo was distorting, but now I >don't think so. > >So, is it just my copy, or do all copies of Pergamon have these anomalies? Yes... ...my copy of Pergamon also has these noise anomalies. ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 3:56 pm Subject: Missed TD >She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a >relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't >TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! >...Utch Now that's a drastic statement. I've been married to the same woman for eight years now. TD is but a laugh to her but we're just fine together. My wife and I that is, TD of today and I don't get along that well unfortunately. Just recently got the Seven letters of Tibet and even if I like the opening, it just seems as though they ran out of ink after the first letter. Still, I've only listened to it a couple of times so better not say too much. A good weekend to all! /Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26138 Re: Missed TD Dan Oakley Fri 2/23/2001 3 KB From: Dan Oakley Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 4:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Missed TD Agreed with Olle. My wife has no comprehension whatsoever how I can listen to what she calls 'noise,' whether it be TD or any other such group. But we have a wonderful marriage. Don't base any relationship on music or sex. Neither will hold it together. Dan --- olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > >She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a > >relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't > > >TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! > > >...Utch > > Now that's a drastic statement. I've been married to the same woman > for > eight years now. TD is but a laugh to her but we're just fine > together. My > wife and I that is, TD of today and I don't get along that well > unfortunately. Just recently got the Seven letters of Tibet and > even if I > like the opening, it just seems as though they ran out of ink after > the > first letter. > Still, I've only listened to it a couple of times so better not say > too > much. > > A good weekend to all! > /Olle > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 4:33 pm Subject: Re: Missed TD Hi, Olle and Dan! The statement was made in jest... ...I have been married to the same woman for over 10 years, and, of course, it isn't necessary for your spouse to TD. The sex comment was also in jest. I was hoping to put a smile on a face or two! I hope I didn't offend anyone! ...Utch On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:16:48 -0800 (PST), Dan Oakley wrote: >Agreed with Olle. My wife has no comprehension whatsoever how I can >listen to what she calls 'noise,' whether it be TD or any other such >group. But we have a wonderful marriage. Don't base any >relationship on music or sex. Neither will hold it together. > >Dan > >--- olle.rundgren@s... wrote: >> >She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a >> >relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't >> >> >TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! >> >> >...Utch >> >> Now that's a drastic statement. I've been married to the same woman >> for >> eight years now. TD is but a laugh to her but we're just fine >> together. My >> wife and I that is, TD of today and I don't get along that well >> unfortunately. Just recently got the Seven letters of Tibet and >> even if I >> like the opening, it just seems as though they ran out of ink after >> the >> first letter. >> Still, I've only listened to it a couple of times so better not say >> too >> much. >> >> A good weekend to all! >> /Olle --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26140 Re: Missed TD Dan Oakley Fri 2/23/2001 4 KB From: Dan Oakley Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 5:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Missed TD Utch, I'm one of those people that nobody at work teases much, mostly because I don't recognize it for what it is most of the time. No offense taken. Dan --- Utch Entel wrote: > Hi, Olle and Dan! > > The statement was made in jest... ...I have been married to the > same > woman for over 10 years, and, of course, it isn't necessary for > your > spouse to TD. The sex comment was also in jest. I was > hoping > to put a smile on a face or two! > > I hope I didn't offend anyone! > > ...Utch > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:16:48 -0800 (PST), Dan Oakley wrote: > > >Agreed with Olle. My wife has no comprehension whatsoever how I > can > >listen to what she calls 'noise,' whether it be TD or any other > such > >group. But we have a wonderful marriage. Don't base any > >relationship on music or sex. Neither will hold it together. > > > >Dan > > > >--- olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > >> >She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a > >> >relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't > >> > >> >TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! > >> > >> >...Utch > >> > >> Now that's a drastic statement. I've been married to the same > woman > >> for > >> eight years now. TD is but a laugh to her but we're just fine > >> together. My > >> wife and I that is, TD of today and I don't get along that well > >> unfortunately. Just recently got the Seven letters of Tibet and > >> even if I > >> like the opening, it just seems as though they ran out of ink > after > >> the > >> first letter. > >> Still, I've only listened to it a couple of times so better not > say > >> too > >> much. > >> > >> A good weekend to all! > >> /Olle > > --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Feb 24, 2001 4:33 am Subject: Two collectable items I have just placed these two items on e-bay, in case any of you are interested in bidding for either of them Fully signed Tournado postcard from UK tour 1997 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1412106386 1980-81 World Tour orange and black sew-on patch http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1412103378 - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 9:13 pm Subject: More collectable items Synth Music Direct http://www.synthmusicdirect.com has also a few collectable items on their second hand list, including: Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer (MRCD7030) Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquility (Original version CD) Tangerine Dream - The Keep (ultra rare original CD in black card wallet) Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26193 Re: More collectable items herold.u@t... Thu 3/1/2001 3 KB From: John McIntyre Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Motorhead Chris Richards wrote: > What do you think of the album they did with > Brian Robertson on guitar? I only have heard the > one or two songs that are on No Remorse, but I've > always been curious about that one (being a big > fan of Robbo's from his Thin Lizzy days). It's not bad, but the best thing about it is the cartoon about Brian's audition with the band. That's with my vinyl LP; don't know if it made it to the CD booklet. Would be awfully small if it did. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: Re: Two TDs for the price of one 'Edgar once said that they used to ascribe each composition to all band members for simplicity, even though one (or more) of the members might not have contributed anything (and I think most of us are pretty adept at picking out the de facto Johannes solo tracks or whatever from various albums)...' This has to lead to a new game. How about speculating who really composed each track? The game was kind of given away when TD finally released the TDI version of The Keep, with most tracks composed by Froese alone, with work jointly composed with Johannes Schmoelling and just two tracks credited with Chris Franke (Edgar deciding to omit the obviously Franke composed tracks for whatever his reasons). I think working separately on tracks is more apparent on the soundtrack albums. Let's start with 'Thief'. Who wrote what? Roger Hartopp From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 10:25 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Missed TD Agreed, but having sex to the music of TD is quite an experience :o) Allthough, NOT if she don't like it. Could turn out to be at bit unfortunate ( and no, not talking of experience :o) Poul >Don't base any relationship on music or sex. Neither will hold it together. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26151 Very off-topic!!!!! Pergamon Tue 2/27/2001 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Sun Feb 25, 2001 8:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Missed TD I've done just about everything to TD music.. make a mix of some songs to the particular activity.. sex.. painting.. cleaning.. reading.. sleeping.. etc. I got my college art department to play a CD I made of rarities and concert material I found, as well as albums like Melrose and Oasis. I'll drop in every once in a while to hear my music playing while potters are throwing on the wheel, heck I've eve had it played in life drawing sessions. As far as sex goes, I found that UFOrb is a wonderful album to play.. but hey some women are not so open minded. I might be a strange person, but I find TD very appropriate for such acts, especially since the music is quite organic (at least Phaedra and Rubycon) and the song structure is built of layers that build up. Phaedra seems like the musical exploration of the Big Bang theory while Rubycon seems like a flight through the landscape of the continents and the abyss of the oceans. Greg H. > Agreed, but having sex to the music of TD is quite an experience :o) Allthough, NOT if she don't like it. Could turn out to be at bit unfortunate ( and no, not talking of experience :o) > > Poul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26147 Re: Missed TD Gary Jenkins Sun 2/25/2001 3 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Feb 25, 2001 9:27 am Subject: Re: Missed TD --- In tadream@y..., 'Greg' wrote: NO hope here if I put TD on just before the act my sexlife would probably come to an abrupt end. > I've done just about everything to TD music.. make a mix of some songs to > the particular activity.. sex.. painting.. cleaning.. reading.. sleeping.. > etc. I got my college art department to play a CD I made of rarities and > concert material I found, as well as albums like Melrose and Oasis. I'll > drop in every once in a while to hear my music playing while potters are > throwing on the wheel, heck I've eve had it played in life drawing sessions. > > As far as sex goes, I found that UFOrb is a wonderful album to play.. but > hey some women are not so open minded. > > I might be a strange person, but I find TD very appropriate for such acts, > especially since the music is quite organic (at least Phaedra and Rubycon) > and the song structure is built of layers that build up. Phaedra seems like > the musical exploration of the Big Bang theory while Rubycon seems like a > flight through the landscape of the continents and the abyss of the oceans. > > Greg H. > > > Agreed, but having sex to the music of TD is quite an experience :o) > Allthough, NOT if she don't like it. Could turn out to be at bit unfortunate > ( and no, not talking of experience :o) > > > > Poul From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Feb 26, 2001 7:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Was Missed TD Back to the subject of wives again, huh? If I had a wife or a woman who could relate to my electronic / TD music, life would be so much brighter for me. It's been somewhat hard for me to find other people, let alone a woman, here where I live who can relate to my music living in this small country hick town :-( Believe me, I've tried to make love to my wife [Every which way :-)] with TD's music, but I've had to endure the moans and groans of complaining, which hardly makes it worthwhile. My music is a big part of who I am these days, just a simple fact. Maybe some of us should be like, was it Klaus?, who has met and married women whom he has met at TD concerts. It all comes back to compatability. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gary Jenkins' To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 2:27 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Missed TD > --- In tadream@y..., 'Greg' wrote: > > NO hope here if I put TD on just before the act my sexlife would > probably come to an abrupt end. > > > > > > I've done just about everything to TD music.. make a mix of some > songs to > > the particular activity.. sex.. painting.. cleaning.. reading.. > sleeping.. > > etc. I got my college art department to play a CD I made of > rarities and > > concert material I found, as well as albums like Melrose and Oasis. > I'll > > drop in every once in a while to hear my music playing while > potters are > > throwing on the wheel, heck I've eve had it played in life drawing > sessions. > > > > As far as sex goes, I found that UFOrb is a wonderful album to > play.. but > > hey some women are not so open minded. > > > > I might be a strange person, but I find TD very appropriate for > such acts, > > especially since the music is quite organic (at least Phaedra and > Rubycon) > > and the song structure is built of layers that build up. Phaedra > seems like > > the musical exploration of the Big Bang theory while Rubycon seems > like a > > flight through the landscape of the continents and the abyss of the > oceans. > > > > Greg H. > > > > > Agreed, but having sex to the music of TD is quite an > experience :o) > > Allthough, NOT if she don't like it. Could turn out to be at bit > unfortunate > > ( and no, not talking of experience :o) > > > > > > Poul > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Mon Feb 26, 2001 12:20 pm Subject: Test Sorry Guys, Just a test of my e-mail system. 4 e-mails from both lists all weekend? Must be my e-mail system again. Neal 'I have gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, Please keep me here.' --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. From: Rainer Rutka Date: Tue Feb 27, 2001 11:10 am Subject: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - Hi! Just a question to all the TD experts outside (I am not an expert!): Today I got the record 'Waiter On The Dance', TD Live in Manchester 1976. But it's not a vinyl record. It's an azetate! I listened to the record and it's really TD onto it. My question is: Is this a fake or was/is such an azetate really existing? Is it rare or shall I put it to the garbagge? Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue Feb 27, 2001 1:26 pm Subject: Very off-topic!!!!! Hello all I have recently bought my own domaine and wishes to make a site in flash. I have made almost the entire page/site but need some finishing touches that I can't figure out how to do. I am unexperienced in flash, so I need a little help in finishing the site. I have tried contacting professional webdesigners, but they charge an amount of money that I don't even want to mention here. I fear that you'll pass out or worse. Does anyone here on this list work with flash and are willing to help me??????? Thanks in advance Jan From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Tue Feb 27, 2001 6:14 pm Subject: Testing Hey there all. Just wanted to send this as a test. I got SIX messages in the last four days, and since I'd moved to a new address, wanted to find out if this worked. Anyone? dan Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26153 Re: Testing j.gordon Tue 2/27/2001 3 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Feb 27, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Testing yeah, it just seems like either: a) the list is going through a heavy dry spell or b) the yahoogroups server is eatin' up the mails... there have been enough test mails that the former seems more likely to me... j.gordon --- winnie the pooh wrote: > Hey there all. Just wanted to send this as a test. I got SIX messages in the > last four days, and since I'd moved to a new address, wanted to find out if > this worked. > > Anyone? > > dan > > > > Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! > http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com > http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com > AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Feb 27, 2001 8:22 pm Subject: [tadream] Dry Spell I am thinking of a little project, and it depends on how many people out there have many or all of TD's official releases, but have heard few or no TD concerts. If you feel this applies to you, please e-mail me off-list. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 12:31 pm Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Hi there I hope you enjoy the DWT. If so, what do you think about a vol 2 ? I would like to create a new DWT at the end of this year. Discussion now is open Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26156 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES j.gordon Wed 2/28/2001 3 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES sounds good to me... i remember seeing a few 'i wish i'd submitted a better tune' mails pop through here... well, here's everyone's chance... sounds great... if the prerelease disc is any indication, DWT is going to be kickin'... j.gordon --- Yannick EDOM wrote: > Hi there > > I hope you enjoy the DWT. > If so, what do you think about a vol 2 ? > > I would like to create a new DWT at the end of this year. > > Discussion now is open > > Friendly from France > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:41 pm Subject: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hi Gang, only wanted to say that I raised enough money to attend the Shepherds Bush gig in May :-D See you all there, and it's great to get the chance to meet some of you nice people on the list in person, something I always wanted to do since I joined the Tadream lists. Btw, I will of course wear my old Ramones t-shirt (Rocket to Russia) again....GABBA GABBA HEY! Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26158 Re: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Synthhtnys@a... Wed 2/28/2001 2 KB 26159 Re: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Heiko Heerssen Wed 2/28/2001 2 KB 26161 Re: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! David Foster Wed 2/28/2001 3 KB 26178 Re: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Joe Shoults Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Btw, I will of course wear my old Ramones t-shirt (Rocket to Russia) again....GABBA GABBA HEY! Heiko *AH! A Ramones fan Have you seen this band that does the songs of ABBA in the style of the Ramones? They're called GABBA!... No I did not just make that up. They really exist. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Synthhtnys@a... schrieb: > *AH! A Ramones fan Have you seen this band that does the songs of ABBA in > the style of the Ramones? They're called GABBA!... > No I did not just make that up. They really exist. No, I haven't. But it makes sense, as I think that both ABBA and the Ramones wrote great pop songs (don't you dare to laugh ;-) Heiko From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 6:54 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hi all, If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) 35 people already... Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) Craig Cordrey (UK) David Foster (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Glynn Naughton (France) Heiko Heerssen (Germany) Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) James Williams + 1 friend (UK) Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) Lawry Simm (USA) Marion (UK) Matthew Stringer (UK) Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Ray (UK) Richard (UK?) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Steve Jenkins (UK) cheers Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26190 Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Paul Fellows Thu 3/1/2001 7 KB From: 'David Foster' Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 7:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Come on Edgar, Jerome and gang......join us for a drink. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Fellows To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hi all, If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) 35 people already... Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) Craig Cordrey (UK) David Foster (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Glynn Naughton (France) Heiko Heerssen (Germany) Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) James Williams + 1 friend (UK) Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) Lawry Simm (USA) Marion (UK) Matthew Stringer (UK) Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Ray (UK) Richard (UK?) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Steve Jenkins (UK) cheers Paul Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: ohmss76@a... Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 8:15 pm Subject: Finally!! Hello everyone:) I finally found time to pull away from my first love(film scores,usually of the orchestral variety:) and am SO happy to have found a TD group(my second love:) I only wanted to introduce myself, and look forward to some great conversation, and info, since TD has always been a bit of an enigma to me, although I own almost all of their commercial albums. All the best, Sean Adams Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26164 Re: Finally!! Joe Shoults Wed 2/28/2001 2 KB From: 'Gert Jalass' Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 8:36 pm Subject: Fw: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hmm, drink if it's non-alc only ;-) They did quit drinking, smoking and eating meat. Gert ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Foster' To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > Come on Edgar, Jerome and gang......join us for a drink. > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Fellows > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:54 PM > Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > > Hi all, > > If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with > the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) > > 35 people already... > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) > Craig Cordrey (UK) > David Foster (UK) > Duncan McKee (UK) > Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > Glynn Naughton (France) > Heiko Heerssen (Germany) > Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > James Williams + 1 friend (UK) > Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > Lawry Simm (USA) > Marion (UK) > Matthew Stringer (UK) > Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) > Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > Paul Fellows (France) > Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) > Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) > Rainer Rutka (Germany) > Ray (UK) > Richard (UK?) > Roger Hartopp (Poland) > Steve Jenkins (UK) > > cheers > > Paul > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26166 Re: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Conrad Gibbons Thu 3/1/2001 6 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 8:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Finally!! welcome! > -----Original Message----- > From: ohmss76@a... [mailto:ohmss76@a...] > > I only wanted to introduce myself, and look forward to some > great conversation, and info, since TD has always been a bit > of an enigma to me, although I own almost all of their > commercial albums. > > All the best, > Sean Adams > From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 4:43 am Subject: Re: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - Hello, > From: Rainer Rutka > Subject: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - > ... > Today I got the record 'Waiter On The Dance', TD Live in Manchester 1976. > But it's not a vinyl record. > It's an azetate! > I listened to the record and it's really TD onto it. > > My question is: Is this a fake or was/is such an azetate really existing? > Is it rare or shall I put it to the garbagge? unfortunately, this is obviously a fake. The alleged 'Waiters on the dance' vinyl LP does not exist, thus it would not have made any sense to produce acetates. There are machines to 'press' records with an edition of only one copy - a special service for DJs mostly. These records look like acetates, and probably the alleged 'Waiters on the dance' has been produced this way by transferring a tape record to vinyl. Nobody has ever heard of a prrof that such a LP does exist until a so-called 'acetate' has been auctioned by a dealer in Germany in March 1998, and no one has heard of it again since then. Cheers, Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26170 Re: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - Rainer Rutka Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 1:47 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hi everyone!!!!! Maybe we should be really organised and wear Name badges???? ;-) Regards, Conrad -----Original Message----- From: Gert Jalass [mailto:gjalass@b...] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:37 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fw: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hmm, drink if it's non-alc only ;-) They did quit drinking, smoking and eating meat. Gert ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Foster' To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > Come on Edgar, Jerome and gang......join us for a drink. > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Fellows > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:54 PM > Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > > Hi all, > > If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with > the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) > > 35 people already... > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) > Craig Cordrey (UK) > David Foster (UK) > Duncan McKee (UK) > Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > Glynn Naughton (France) > Heiko Heerssen (Germany) > Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > James Williams + 1 friend (UK) > Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > Lawry Simm (USA) > Marion (UK) > Matthew Stringer (UK) > Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) > Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > Paul Fellows (France) > Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) > Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) > Rainer Rutka (Germany) > Ray (UK) > Richard (UK?) > Roger Hartopp (Poland) > Steve Jenkins (UK) > > cheers > > Paul > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! 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To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: ohmss76@a... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 2:42 am Subject: Latest and Greatest Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) As I said, I picked up some new and old things over the past weeks, and wanted to see what others might think of these titles.... Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact that there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it someday, since I exchanged it for... Sohoman 1982 Sydney Concert - like this well enough, the two pieces from WHITE EAGLE sound the same as on the Virgin album. I was a bit discouraged to exchange the above for this, and notice a out of sync rhythm track on Logos Part One(track 4). Anyone else catch this? If you listen close(as everyone should to TD:) ) it throws the music off a bit:( TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came from? I was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? I was hoping, by the packaging anyway, that this would be unreleased cues from STRANGE BEHAVIOR,THE SOLDIER and other oddities.....wherever the cues originate from, its a great listen, and I hear echoes of the 'Virgin' years in many of these pieces:):):) Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good stuff on here for me to begin! Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was eaten by an old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to the other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. And that was it! Any thoughts? All the best, Sean A Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26169 Re: Latest and Greatest Feldon Feldon Thu 3/1/2001 5 KB 26182 Re: Latest and Greatest Michael V Miller Thu 3/1/2001 4 KB 26184 Re: Latest and Greatest Sean Montgomery Thu 3/1/2001 6 KB 26217 Re: Latest and Greatest ohmss76@a... Fri 3/2/2001 5 KB 26219 Re: Latest and Greatest j.gordon Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26222 Re: Latest and Greatest Feldon Feldon Fri 3/2/2001 5 KB 26224 Re: Latest and Greatest ohmss76@a... Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26225 Re: Latest and Greatest ohmss76@a... Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26234 Re: Latest and Greatest Gustavo Jobim Sat 3/3/2001 2 KB From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 3:19 am Subject: Going Shopping For those of us poor souls that will not be able to see the TD concert in the UK in May, are there any 'Kind Souls' that ARE going that might be willing to do a little shopping? We/I can only assume that there will be some little tidbit, or prerelease of something sold at the concert. Maybe a single that will only be available at the show and not on the regular market? Anyone willing to help, I would be willing to send a months pay, in advance, for the help. ('Honest honey, we only get paid every OTHER month at work.') Neal > [Original Message] > From: Paul Fellows > To: > Date: 2/28/01 2:07:10 PM > Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > Hi all, > > If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with > the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) > > 35 people already... > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) > Craig Cordrey (UK) > David Foster (UK) > Duncan McKee (UK) > Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > Glynn Naughton (France) > Heiko Heerssen (Germany) > Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > James Williams + 1 friend (UK) > Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > Lawry Simm (USA) > Marion (UK) > Matthew Stringer (UK) > Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) > Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > Paul Fellows (France) > Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) > Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) > Rainer Rutka (Germany) > Ray (UK) > Richard (UK?) > Roger Hartopp (Poland) > Steve Jenkins (UK) > > cheers > > Paul > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 'I have gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, Please keep me here.' --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 8:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest >From: ohmss76@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) > >Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact that >there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it someday, Oh dear, you have stumbled upon a few of the latest misadventures by Tangerine Dream. Soundmill Navigator is a bit of a cruel joke. It's a 1976 concert with the volume turned down, lots of stuff added, and as you noticed, there is an awful chh chh chh sound during the whole thing. Edgar claims that it would have been impossible to remove this defect without ruining the music (a statement which several knowledgeable sound filtering and clarifying experts on the list strongly refute), so he actually ADDED this chh chh sound to the whole CD (such as the first 9 minutes which is entirely a studio creation). >Sohoman 1982 Sydney Concert - like this well enough, the two pieces from >WHITE EAGLE sound the same as on the Virgin album. I was a bit discouraged >to >exchange the above for this, and notice a out of sync rhythm track on Logos >Part One(track 4). Anyone else catch this? If you listen close(as everyone >should to TD:) ) it throws the music off a bit:( Edgar Froese (creator of Tangerine Dream and the only one left of the old guard) seems to have no desire to release concerts as-is. But rather to try to 'be revolutionary' and add much new music on top. I can't help but feel that he is embarassed by the old music which we love. So as you note, he butchered Logos, and removed all trace of the nice guitar work in the last 8 minutes (which was originally 12 minutes) and tacked on a fake ending. His changes to Sohoman are completely out of tune, out of time, and don't fit at all. >TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came from? I >was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? I was hoping, >by >the packaging anyway, that this would be unreleased cues from STRANGE >BEHAVIOR,THE SOLDIER and other oddities.....wherever the cues originate >from, >its a great listen, and I hear echoes of the 'Virgin' years in many of >these >pieces:):):) That's exactly what we hoped for, but it turned out to be a lot of 1990's Tangerine Dream noodlings in the key of Miracle Mile and Melrose-era albums. >Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good stuff on >here for me to begin! If there is one CD in the last few years that Edgar has been nice enough to let out the door only half-'doctored', this is it. Tracks 1, 2, 3, 10, and a couple others are priceless. >Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was eaten by >an >old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) > >Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with >this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to the >other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. Aww, I love Tangent :) Poland and Ricochet are classics. -Morgan Sorry if my e-mail sounds negative. The last few years have been hard for TD fans who want the old concerts (there are well over 100 hours of unique material [different enough from the albums] to warrant releasing) and keep getting these fluffed up mislabeled CDs. I think the only people buying these CDs like Sohoman and Soundmill are people who haven't been warned ahead of time. :( _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 11:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - On 28 Feb 2001 peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: > > From: Rainer Rutka > > Subject: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - > There are machines to 'press' records with an edition > of only one copy - a special service for DJs mostly. But if it's only one copy existing - it's rare, too :-) The soundquality is very good so it's a collictors item . Thank you for your infos BTW... Rainer I'll put some pictures from the disk onto my page during next week. --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 12:22 pm Subject: Original TD items for trade Hi there after checking my TD collection, i found three extra items : Ultima Thule 7' - reissue. L'affaire walraff (original french EMI CD) Legend (original US casette from MCA) if someone is intersted, it's only for trade. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: gmroger@p... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 12:43 pm Subject: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi, As everything seems to have gone a little quiet, I thought about re- activating an old chestnut, but with a considerable re-vamp. Most of you remember the attempt at compiling an 'Eddy & Jerry' Top ten tracks chart, but we barely reached double figures as regards people taking part, It's perhaps because there were too many tracks to choose from, and the number of versions and mixes further added to the confusion. So I think we'll let that one rest (agreed Frank?). Instead, and perhaps to kind of celebrate the imminent release of 'Dream Mixes 3', how about instead compiling the Top Ten albums by Edgar & Jerome? This is surely much simpler. So, how about each of you choosing your Top FIVE Tangerine Dream albums as composed &/or performed by Edgar & Jerome? To clarify which albums are up for qualification, here is the list: Ambient Monkeys The Dream Mixes* Goblins' Club# The Great Wall of China Hollywood Years Volume 1 Hollywood Years Volume 2 Mars Polaris Oasis Quinoa+ Rockoon Rumplestiltskin The Seven Letters of Tibet Timesquare Tournado Transsiberia Turn of the Tides@ 220 Volt Tyranny of Beauty% Valentine Wheels** What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) Zoning$ Notes: *TDI release (i.e. the double CD) #Not the Australian version +TDI release (not the fan club issue with only 'Quinoa') @Release with 'Story of the Brave' %Release with 'Quasar' **Old material, but recorded during the E & J period $It is credited to TD after all, and was recorded during this period, even it is by Edgar Froese All these extra notes are on the basis that most fans have these versions, but if you don't, it doesn't have to stop you voting for it. Five points will be awarded to the number one, four for the number two, and so on, down to one point for number five. For those 'Top fives in no particular order' fans, each album will be awarded three points each. We'll let this one run for a couple of weeks only or until Dream Mixes Three hits the shops. If there's enough votes, I'll get tracks played on my radio programme in three weeks or so. So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: 1 Mars Polaris 2 The Dream Mixes 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) 4 Tournado 5 Oasis This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- consuming! Over to you! Roger Hartopp -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26173 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? bert.hulshoff@d... Thu 3/1/2001 3 KB 26174 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Heiko Heerssen Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26175 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Peter Ravn Thu 3/1/2001 5 KB 26176 Eddy & Jerry List j.gordon Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26177 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26185 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Dan Oakley Thu 3/1/2001 3 KB 26179 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Utch Entel Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26180 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Brian Stewart Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26181 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Sean Montgomery Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 12:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Here's mine 1 Mars Polaris 2 Timesquares 3 What a blast! 4 Goblin's Club 5 Trans Siberia Bert I love this kind of Charts ;) > ---------- > From: gmroger@p...[SMTP:gmroger@p...] > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 13:43 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > > > So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: > > 1 Mars Polaris > 2 The Dream Mixes > 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) > 4 Tournado > 5 Oasis > > This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- > consuming! Over to you! > > Roger Hartopp > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH%2 > 0my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF m > y address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? My top 5: 1.) Timesquare - Dream mixes 2 2.) Mars Polaris 3.) Oasis 4.) Seven letters from Tibet 5.) Goblins club Heiko From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi; My top five: 1)What A Blast 2)Mars Polaris 3)Oasis 4 )Dream Mixes 1 5) Transiberia Regards, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > Hi, > > As everything seems to have gone a little quiet, I thought about re- > activating an old chestnut, but with a considerable re-vamp. > > Most of you remember the attempt at compiling an 'Eddy & Jerry' > Top ten tracks chart, but we barely reached double figures as > regards people taking part, It's perhaps because there were too > many tracks to choose from, and the number of versions and > mixes further added to the confusion. So I think we'll let that one > rest (agreed Frank?). > > Instead, and perhaps to kind of celebrate the imminent release of > 'Dream Mixes 3', how about instead compiling the Top Ten albums > by Edgar & Jerome? This is surely much simpler. > > So, how about each of you choosing your Top FIVE Tangerine > Dream albums as composed &/or performed by Edgar & Jerome? > To clarify which albums are up for qualification, here is the list: > > Ambient Monkeys The Dream Mixes* > Goblins' Club# The Great Wall of China > Hollywood Years Volume 1 Hollywood Years Volume 2 > Mars Polaris Oasis > Quinoa+ Rockoon > Rumplestiltskin The Seven Letters of Tibet > Timesquare Tournado > Transsiberia Turn of the Tides@ > 220 Volt Tyranny of Beauty% > Valentine Wheels** What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) > Zoning$ > > Notes: *TDI release (i.e. the double CD) > #Not the Australian version > +TDI release (not the fan club issue with only 'Quinoa') > @Release with 'Story of the Brave' > %Release with 'Quasar' > **Old material, but recorded during the E & J period > $It is credited to TD after all, and was recorded during this > period, even it is by Edgar Froese > > All these extra notes are on the basis that most fans have these > versions, but if you don't, it doesn't have to stop you voting for it. > Five points will be awarded to the number one, four for the number > two, and so on, down to one point for number five. For those 'Top > fives in no particular order' fans, each album will be awarded three > points each. We'll let this one run for a couple of weeks only or > until Dream Mixes Three hits the shops. If there's enough votes, I'll > get tracks played on my radio programme in three weeks or so. > > So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: > > 1 Mars Polaris > 2 The Dream Mixes > 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) > 4 Tournado > 5 Oasis > > This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- > consuming! Over to you! > > Roger Hartopp > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 1:10 pm Subject: [tadream] Eddy & Jerry List blah... strangely, i've begun developing a distaste for this era, where before i really liked most of it... it might have something to do with the influx of older material that i consider to be notches above... the more good quality stuff i get, the less the mediocre stuff stands up... sigh... no, i'm not trying to re-re-re-re-re-re-re(at infinitum) open this thread, nor be a flame-magnet... just ruminating as this survey pops up... but here's the list: 1. Oasis 2. Quinoa 3. Goblin's Club 4. Valentine's Wheels 5. Turn of the Tides good luck, roger... i'm interested to see how many people respond... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Rolf Elfström Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? 1. Mars Polaris 2. The Seven Letters of Tibet 3. The Dream Mixes 4. Timesquare 5. The Great Wall of China Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26185 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Dan Oakley Thu 3/1/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 1:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Paul- I bet if you called the bar they'd be happy to accomodate you. Maybe they will extend Happy Hour prices to your party for before and after the show? I'd ask for it. I've done this kind of thing before and a 35-person party is a great boost for a bar (depending on the type- unless it's the kind that is always packed anyway). Bringing 35 patrons means you have a little buying power. Assume the bar would rather you go there than go across the street. Joe > -----Original Message----- > > > If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get > in touch with > > the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or > something :-) > > > > 35 people already... > From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 3:08 pm Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: 1 The Dream Mixes 2 220 Volt 3 Oasis 4 What A Blast 5 Quinoa ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 3:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi Here are my five favourite Edgar & Jerome albums. -- Mars Polaris Timesquare Valentine Wheels The Great Wall of China Rockoon -- Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 4:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Based on the amount to playing time that they've received, and my current willingness to still play them: 1. The Dream Mixes 2. 220 Volt 3. Quinoa 4. Oasis 5. Mars Polaris Sadly, this wasn't a hard decision at all. The only other album I considered including was Rockoon, which I liked at the time of its release but which seems overly cheesy to me now...and its best track - Touchwood - appears in an even better version on Dream Mixes. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Michael V Miller Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest Hi, Here is my take on the titles you mentioned. On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:42:24 EST ohmss76@a... writes: > Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) > > As I said, I picked up some new and old things over the past weeks, > and > wanted to see what others might think of these titles.... > > Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact > that > there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it > someday, I love Soundmill Navigator it is in my top 5 favorite TD CDs. As far as I can tell my copy does not have that sound people have been talking about. I have never heard the original concert so I was not biased when listening to it. I love it. I would be interested in hearing the untouched version but I have no way of doing that. > since I exchanged it for... > Sohoman 1982 Sydney Concert - like this well enough, the two pieces > from > WHITE EAGLE sound the same as on the Virgin album. I was a bit > discouraged to > exchange the above for this, and notice a out of sync rhythm track > on Logos > Part One(track 4). Anyone else catch this? If you listen close(as > everyone > should to TD:) ) it throws the music off a bit:( I haven't listen to this one too much. I like it but I don't know it too well yet. > TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came > from? I > was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? I was > hoping, by > the packaging anyway, that this would be unreleased cues from > STRANGE > BEHAVIOR,THE SOLDIER and other oddities.....wherever the cues > originate from, > its a great listen, and I hear echoes of the 'Virgin' years in many > of these > pieces:):):) I don't have this one so no comment. :-) > Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good > stuff on > here for me to begin! Excellent cd. I love this one. I love their older stuff. > Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was > eaten by an > old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) My favorite CD of theirs. Haven't heard quite like it again. Especially Part II. > Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts > with > this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up > to the > other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. I like Poland a lot. There are some parts that aren't fully exciting but I like it. Mike 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 4:39 pm Subject: Top 5 Ed 'n' Jerry albums Top 5 Ed 'n' Jerry albums (can't come up with 5): 1 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) 2 Mars Polaris 3 The Dream Mixes 4 The Great Wall of China -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest ohmss76@a... wrote: > Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) > > As I said, I picked up some new and old things over the past weeks, and > wanted to see what others might think of these titles.... Morgan already made most of the points that I was going to make about these titles, but it may be helpful if you see similar complaints echoed by more than one fan. > Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact that > there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it someday, > since I exchanged it for... As Morgan pointed out, this 'skip' was a tape flaw on the original recording, and rather than try to remove it, Edgar or whoever was at the TDI controls here just sampled the defect and added it throughout the entire piece, for the sake of 'consistency'. Edgar's insistence upon adding sounds and compositional preferences from the year 2001 on top of music recorded 25 years earlier also results in a mis-matched Frankstein's monster, 9 times out of 10. Furthermore, it ruins the historical relevance of the recordings, and dismisses the contributions of past members of the band. PLUS, in some cases (Sohoman, the 'I-Box'), parts of these 'live' shows are clearly taken right from studio master tapes, a fact which becomes obvious once you've heard actual audience recordings. Of course, most TD fans won't get to hear these recordings, so the band figures that they can get away with it. And I suppose some fans like what the band is doing with these shows, and their willingness to buy the CDs ensures that we'll get more of the same in the future. > TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came from? I > was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? The Hollywood Years releases are a perfect example of 'buyer beware'. When they were announced on the TDI website back in 1998, I was very excited. Here, I suspected, we'd finally get some of the unreleased music that TD composed for 'Hollywood' back in the 80s. I was so excited that I ordered the albums without asking too many questions. Questions like: 'who are the composers of these tracks?', and 'what movies are these songs from, anyway?' This would be useful information to have, don't you think? I mean, not every TD fan likes everything TD has done over the course of the band's 30 year history. And you'd think that the band would give potential buyers a bit of information that would help them to decide if this music was from an TD era that they're partial to. But no. No info at all, just track titles. And so, it's my own fault that I shelled out 20 bucks American for each of these discs, only to find that it all sounded like pieces left off of Tyranny of Beauty for being 'too weak'. It's all Edgar and Jerome, all the time, even though the only movie soundtrack they've released is 'Zoning' (I'm not including Oasis, What a Blast, or Jim and Pablo). And they can justify this by saying, 'oh, I wrote Propeller Beach after watching Apocalypse Now last weekend. It was 'an imaginary soundtrack, man'. Now, I know that a couple of the tracks here really were from movies...someone mentioned Legend, for instance. But most of it has been so heavilly overdubbed that it all just becomes another standard 90s TD album. Anyway, the band is making things easier for fans unsure about what they'll be getting in a new TDI release, in that they're just overdubbing *everything*. This is an attempt to make everything they've even composed sound like their current work, because since Edgar sees himself as the world leader in electronic music innovation, he must protect his street cred by making all of TDs crappy old stuff 'innovative', like their new stuff...right? So anyway, if you *like* their current sound, you can feel free to buy everything TDI puts out, content with the knowledge that you'll enjoy it. > Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good stuff on > here for me to begin! This was the only TDI release of recent years that I really enjoyed, because they left most of the tracks alone! Now, was that really so hard to do? > Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was eaten by an > old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) One of TD's finest moments. > Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with > this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to the > other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. There is a lot of meandering bits on Poland, but what's good on that album is *really* good. Side One is right up there with Tangram Part One and Ricochet Part 2 in my list of TDs best long compositions. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Dan Oakley Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 5:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? 1)Mars Polaris 2) Melrose 3) Stratosfear 4) Optical Race Still working on my TD collection. I got in on Phaedra, Stratosfear, and Rubycon while very young, then more or less lost track until just a couple of years ago. Boy, do those older CD's still bring a stirring in my soul! Dan --- Rolf Elfström wrote: > 1. Mars Polaris > 2. The Seven Letters of Tibet > 3. The Dream Mixes > 4. Timesquare > 5. The Great Wall of China > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show Hi all here is my top 5 1.Mars Polaris 2.Goblin's Club 3.Oasis 4.Dream Mixes 5.Timesquare DM 2 Cheers Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26187 Re: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show Joe Shoults Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26188 Re: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show James E. Jacoby Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 6:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show > 1.Goblin's Club > 2.Oasis > 3.Mars Polaris > 4.Ambient Monkeys > 5.Dream Mixes From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show My top 5 Edgar & Jerome albums: 1) Goblin's Club 2) Mars Polaris 3) Dream Mixes 4) 220 Volt Live 5) Great Wall of China James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 7:11 pm Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Hey Dreamwatchers, Thanks to all those who made this happen. This one of the faster trees I've participated in. The music is great, I love the way each song blends into the next. Its amazing that TD has inspired and attracted so many creative artists. I am not able to list my favorites yet as some of the songs have become more intimate to me the more I listen. I'm looking forward to spending more time with this collection. Thanks again, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 6:47 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Oh God no, I feel awkward enough wearing a 'Great Wall of China' t-shirt! Paul ---------- >De : 'Conrad Gibbons' >Ŕ : >Objet : RE: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! >Date : Jeu 1 mars 2001 2:47 > > Hi everyone!!!!! > > Maybe we should be really organised and wear Name badges???? ;-) > > Regards, > > Conrad > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gert Jalass [mailto:gjalass@b...] > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:37 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Fw: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > > Hmm, > > drink if it's non-alc only ;-) > > They did quit drinking, smoking and eating meat. > > Gert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'David Foster' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > >> Come on Edgar, Jerome and gang......join us for a drink. >> >> David >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Paul Fellows >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with >> the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) >> >> 35 people already... >> >> Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) >> Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) >> Craig Cordrey (UK) >> David Foster (UK) >> Duncan McKee (UK) >> Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) >> Geir Smedsrud (Norway) >> Glynn Naughton (France) >> Heiko Heerssen (Germany) >> Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) >> James Williams + 1 friend (UK) >> Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) >> Lawry Simm (USA) >> Marion (UK) >> Matthew Stringer (UK) >> Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) >> Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) >> Paul Fellows (France) >> Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) >> Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) >> Rainer Rutka (Germany) >> Ray (UK) >> Richard (UK?) >> Roger Hartopp (Poland) >> Steve Jenkins (UK) >> >> cheers >> >> Paul >> >> Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >> artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >> included in the distribution tree: >> As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >> > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m >> y address is: >> >> As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >> > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% >> 20address is: >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: >> As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: >> >> As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 7:41 pm Subject: ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... Hi all, I've just joined, I'm a big space music/ambient fan and rediscovered my love of TD in the last year. > Still working on my TD collection. I got in on Phaedra, Stratosfear, > and Rubycon while very young, then more or less lost track until just > a couple of years ago. Boy, do those older CD's still bring a > stirring in my soul! While I've had loads of TD CDs old and new for ages, many of the albums particularly about 79/80 for some reason I tended to dismiss and not listen to. So, I've just listened to Force Majeure today for the first time and it's stunning. The addition of the drummer provides throbbing quality that enhances the pulsing flow of TD music. The music is starting to show the signs of the structuring that came in the 80s yet is still wildly oscillating. There are tape/samples and wolf like howling synths. Magical stuff!!! cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26194 Re: ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... j.gordon Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB From: herold.u@t... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 7:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi dreamers, here is my TOP 5: 1. Mars Polaris 2. Goblins Club 3. Great Wall Of China 4. Oasis 5. The Seven Letters From Tibet dream on, Uwe From: herold.u@t... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 7:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] More collectable items Hi all, today i received a small packet from 'synth music direct' with the original 'Theta'-release of Johannes Schmoelling's 'the zoo of tranquillity'. Many thanks Antonio ;-) cheers, Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Antonio Nunes' To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: [tadream] More collectable items > Synth Music Direct http://www.synthmusicdirect.com has also a few > collectable items on their second hand list, including: > > Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer (MRCD7030) > > Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquility (Original version CD) > > Tangerine Dream - The Keep (ultra rare original CD in black card wallet) > > > > Antonio Nunes > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 8:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... welcome Mark!! j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 8:58 pm Subject: RE: The Return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi, my Top Five: 1. Mars Polaris 2. What a blast? 3. Transsiberia 4. Dream Mixes 1 5. Tournado all the best heiko burg germany www.opticaldream.de/dream [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26197 The Return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Feldon Feldon Thu 3/1/2001 3 KB From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 9:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 811 My top 5 from the given list - in no particular order: Valentine Wheels 220 Volt Quinoa Tyranny of Beauty Mars Polaris I do love the live stuff! -----Original Message----- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tadream@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:38 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 811 Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Re: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - From: Rainer Rutka 2. Original TD items for trade From: 'Yannick EDOM' 3. The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: gmroger@p... 4. RE: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: bert.hulshoff@d... 5. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: Heiko Heerssen 6. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: 'Peter Ravn' 7. Eddy & Jerry List From: 'j.gordon' 8. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: Rolf Elfström 9. RE: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! From: Joe Shoults 10. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: 'Utch Entel' 11. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: 'Brian Stewart' 12. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: Sean Montgomery 13. Re: Latest and Greatest From: Michael V Miller 14. Top 5 Ed 'n' Jerry albums From: scfeldman@j... 15. Re: Latest and Greatest From: Sean Montgomery 16. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: Dan Oakley 17. Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show From: 'Gary Jenkins' 18. RE: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show From: Joe Shoults 19. Re: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show From: 'James E. Jacoby' 20. DREAMWATCHERS' TALES From: 'Whiteley, Steve' 21. Re : Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! From: 'Paul Fellows' 22. ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... From: 'Mark Coyle' 23. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: herold.u@t... 24. Re: More collectable items From: herold.u@t... 25. Re: ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... From: 'j.gordon' ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:18:26 -0100 (MEZ) From: Rainer Rutka Subject: Re: Re: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - On 28 Feb 2001 peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: > > From: Rainer Rutka > > Subject: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - > There are machines to 'press' records with an edition > of only one copy - a special service for DJs mostly. But if it's only one copy existing - it's rare, too :-) The soundquality is very good so it's a collictors item . Thank you for your infos BTW... Rainer I'll put some pictures from the disk onto my page during next week. --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:22:08 +0100 From: 'Yannick EDOM' Subject: Original TD items for trade Hi there after checking my TD collection, i found three extra items : Ultima Thule 7' - reissue. L'affaire walraff (original french EMI CD) Legend (original US casette from MCA) if someone is intersted, it's only for trade. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:43:10 +0100 From: gmroger@p... Subject: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi, As everything seems to have gone a little quiet, I thought about re- activating an old chestnut, but with a considerable re-vamp. Most of you remember the attempt at compiling an 'Eddy & Jerry' Top ten tracks chart, but we barely reached double figures as regards people taking part, It's perhaps because there were too many tracks to choose from, and the number of versions and mixes further added to the confusion. So I think we'll let that one rest (agreed Frank?). Instead, and perhaps to kind of celebrate the imminent release of 'Dream Mixes 3', how about instead compiling the Top Ten albums by Edgar & Jerome? This is surely much simpler. So, how about each of you choosing your Top FIVE Tangerine Dream albums as composed &/or performed by Edgar & Jerome? To clarify which albums are up for qualification, here is the list: Ambient Monkeys The Dream Mixes* Goblins' Club# The Great Wall of China Hollywood Years Volume 1 Hollywood Years Volume 2 Mars Polaris Oasis Quinoa+ Rockoon Rumplestiltskin The Seven Letters of Tibet Timesquare Tournado Transsiberia Turn of the Tides@ 220 Volt Tyranny of Beauty% Valentine Wheels** What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) Zoning$ Notes: *TDI release (i.e. the double CD) #Not the Australian version +TDI release (not the fan club issue with only 'Quinoa') @Release with 'Story of the Brave' %Release with 'Quasar' **Old material, but recorded during the E & J period $It is credited to TD after all, and was recorded during this period, even it is by Edgar Froese All these extra notes are on the basis that most fans have these versions, but if you don't, it doesn't have to stop you voting for it. Five points will be awarded to the number one, four for the number two, and so on, down to one point for number five. For those 'Top fives in no particular order' fans, each album will be awarded three points each. We'll let this one run for a couple of weeks only or until Dream Mixes Three hits the shops. If there's enough votes, I'll get tracks played on my radio programme in three weeks or so. So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: 1 Mars Polaris 2 The Dream Mixes 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) 4 Tournado 5 Oasis This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- consuming! Over to you! Roger Hartopp -- ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:48:47 +0100 From: bert.hulshoff@d... Subject: RE: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Here's mine 1 Mars Polaris 2 Timesquares 3 What a blast! 4 Goblin's Club 5 Trans Siberia Bert I love this kind of Charts ;) > ---------- > From: gmroger@p...[SMTP:gmroger@p...] > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 13:43 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > > > So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: > > 1 Mars Polaris > 2 The Dream Mixes > 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) > 4 Tournado > 5 Oasis > > This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- > consuming! Over to you! > > Roger Hartopp > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH%2 > 0my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF m > y address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 13:56:18 +0100 From: Heiko Heerssen Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? My top 5: 1.) Timesquare - Dream mixes 2 2.) Mars Polaris 3.) Oasis 4.) Seven letters from Tibet 5.) Goblins club Heiko ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:00:00 +0100 From: 'Peter Ravn' Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi; My top five: 1)What A Blast 2)Mars Polaris 3)Oasis 4 )Dream Mixes 1 5) Transiberia Regards, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > Hi, > > As everything seems to have gone a little quiet, I thought about re- > activating an old chestnut, but with a considerable re-vamp. > > Most of you remember the attempt at compiling an 'Eddy & Jerry' > Top ten tracks chart, but we barely reached double figures as > regards people taking part, It's perhaps because there were too > many tracks to choose from, and the number of versions and > mixes further added to the confusion. So I think we'll let that one > rest (agreed Frank?). > > Instead, and perhaps to kind of celebrate the imminent release of > 'Dream Mixes 3', how about instead compiling the Top Ten albums > by Edgar & Jerome? This is surely much simpler. > > So, how about each of you choosing your Top FIVE Tangerine > Dream albums as composed &/or performed by Edgar & Jerome? > To clarify which albums are up for qualification, here is the list: > > Ambient Monkeys The Dream Mixes* > Goblins' Club# The Great Wall of China > Hollywood Years Volume 1 Hollywood Years Volume 2 > Mars Polaris Oasis > Quinoa+ Rockoon > Rumplestiltskin The Seven Letters of Tibet > Timesquare Tournado > Transsiberia Turn of the Tides@ > 220 Volt Tyranny of Beauty% > Valentine Wheels** What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) > Zoning$ > > Notes: *TDI release (i.e. the double CD) > #Not the Australian version > +TDI release (not the fan club issue with only 'Quinoa') > @Release with 'Story of the Brave' > %Release with 'Quasar' > **Old material, but recorded during the E & J period > $It is credited to TD after all, and was recorded during this > period, even it is by Edgar Froese > > All these extra notes are on the basis that most fans have these > versions, but if you don't, it doesn't have to stop you voting for it. > Five points will be awarded to the number one, four for the number > two, and so on, down to one point for number five. For those 'Top > fives in no particular order' fans, each album will be awarded three > points each. We'll let this one run for a couple of weeks only or > until Dream Mixes Three hits the shops. If there's enough votes, I'll > get tracks played on my radio programme in three weeks or so. > > So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: > > 1 Mars Polaris > 2 The Dream Mixes > 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) > 4 Tournado > 5 Oasis > > This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- > consuming! Over to you! > > Roger Hartopp > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:10:49 -0800 (PST) From: 'j.gordon' Subject: Eddy & Jerry List blah... strangely, i've begun developing a distaste for this era, where before i really liked most of it... it might have something to do with the influx of older material that i consider to be notches above... the more good quality stuff i get, the less the mediocre stuff stands up... sigh... no, i'm not trying to re-re-re-re-re-re-re(at infinitum) open this thread, nor be a flame-magnet... just ruminating as this survey pops up... but here's the list: 1. Oasis 2. Quinoa 3. Goblin's Club 4. Valentine's Wheels 5. Turn of the Tides good luck, roger... i'm interested to see how many people respond... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 14:14:58 +0100 From: Rolf Elfström Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? 1. Mars Polaris 2. The Seven Letters of Tibet 3. The Dream Mixes 4. Timesquare 5. The Great Wall of China ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:56:05 -0500 From: Joe Shoults Subject: RE: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Paul- I bet if you called the bar they'd be happy to accomodate you. Maybe they will extend Happy Hour prices to your party for before and after the show? I'd ask for it. I've done this kind of thing before and a 35-person party is a great boost for a bar (depending on the type- unless it's the kind that is always packed anyway). Bringing 35 patrons means you have a little buying power. Assume the bar would rather you go there than go across the street. Joe > -----Original Message----- > > > If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get > in touch with > > the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or > something :-) > > > > 35 people already... > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 08:08:22 -0700 From: 'Utch Entel' Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: 1 The Dream Mixes 2 220 Volt 3 Oasis 4 What A Blast 5 Quinoa ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:32:45 -0000 From: 'Brian Stewart' Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi Here are my five favourite Edgar & Jerome albums. -- Mars Polaris Timesquare Valentine Wheels The Great Wall of China Rockoon -- Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:13:45 -0500 From: Sean Montgomery Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Based on the amount to playing time that they've received, and my current willingness to still play them: 1. The Dream Mixes 2. 220 Volt 3. Quinoa 4. Oasis 5. Mars Polaris Sadly, this wasn't a hard decision at all. The only other album I considered including was Rockoon, which I liked at the time of its release but which seems overly cheesy to me now...and its best track - Touchwood - appears in an even better version on Dream Mixes. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:36:20 -0500 From: Michael V Miller Subject: Re: Latest and Greatest Hi, Here is my take on the titles you mentioned. On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:42:24 EST ohmss76@a... writes: > Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) > > As I said, I picked up some new and old things over the past weeks, > and > wanted to see what others might think of these titles.... > > Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact > that > there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it > someday, I love Soundmill Navigator it is in my top 5 favorite TD CDs. As far as I can tell my copy does not have that sound people have been talking about. I have never heard the original concert so I was not biased when listening to it. I love it. I would be interested in hearing the untouched version but I have no way of doing that. > since I exchanged it for... > Sohoman 1982 Sydney Concert - like this well enough, the two pieces > from > WHITE EAGLE sound the same as on the Virgin album. I was a bit > discouraged to > exchange the above for this, and notice a out of sync rhythm track > on Logos > Part One(track 4). Anyone else catch this? If you listen close(as > everyone > should to TD:) ) it throws the music off a bit:( I haven't listen to this one too much. I like it but I don't know it too well yet. > TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came > from? I > was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? I was > hoping, by > the packaging anyway, that this would be unreleased cues from > STRANGE > BEHAVIOR,THE SOLDIER and other oddities.....wherever the cues > originate from, > its a great listen, and I hear echoes of the 'Virgin' years in many > of these > pieces:):):) I don't have this one so no comment. :-) > Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good > stuff on > here for me to begin! Excellent cd. I love this one. I love their older stuff. > Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was > eaten by an > old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) My favorite CD of theirs. Haven't heard quite like it again. Especially Part II. > Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts > with > this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up > to the > other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. I like Poland a lot. There are some parts that aren't fully exciting but I like it. Mike 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:39:29 -0500 From: scfeldman@j... Subject: Top 5 Ed 'n' Jerry albums Top 5 Ed 'n' Jerry albums (can't come up with 5): 1 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) 2 Mars Polaris 3 The Dream Mixes 4 The Great Wall of China -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 12:32:16 -0500 From: Sean Montgomery Subject: Re: Latest and Greatest ohmss76@a... wrote: > Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) > > As I said, I picked up some new and old things over the past weeks, and > wanted to see what others might think of these titles.... Morgan already made most of the points that I was going to make about these titles, but it may be helpful if you see similar complaints echoed by more than one fan. > Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact that > there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it someday, > since I exchanged it for... As Morgan pointed out, this 'skip' was a tape flaw on the original recording, and rather than try to remove it, Edgar or whoever was at the TDI controls here just sampled the defect and added it throughout the entire piece, for the sake of 'consistency'. Edgar's insistence upon adding sounds and compositional preferences from the year 2001 on top of music recorded 25 years earlier also results in a mis-matched Frankstein's monster, 9 times out of 10. Furthermore, it ruins the historical relevance of the recordings, and dismisses the contributions of past members of the band. PLUS, in some cases (Sohoman, the 'I-Box'), parts of these 'live' shows are clearly taken right from studio master tapes, a fact which becomes obvious once you've heard actual audience recordings. Of course, most TD fans won't get to hear these recordings, so the band figures that they can get away with it. And I suppose some fans like what the band is doing with these shows, and their willingness to buy the CDs ensures that we'll get more of the same in the future. > TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came from? I > was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? The Hollywood Years releases are a perfect example of 'buyer beware'. When they were announced on the TDI website back in 1998, I was very excited. Here, I suspected, we'd finally get some of the unreleased music that TD composed for 'Hollywood' back in the 80s. I was so excited that I ordered the albums without asking too many questions. Questions like: 'who are the composers of these tracks?', and 'what movies are these songs from, anyway?' This would be useful information to have, don't you think? I mean, not every TD fan likes everything TD has done over the course of the band's 30 year history. And you'd think that the band would give potential buyers a bit of information that would help them to decide if this music was from an TD era that they're partial to. But no. No info at all, just track titles. And so, it's my own fault that I shelled out 20 bucks American for each of these discs, only to find that it all sounded like pieces left off of Tyranny of Beauty for being 'too weak'. It's all Edgar and Jerome, all the time, even though the only movie soundtrack they've released is 'Zoning' (I'm not including Oasis, What a Blast, or Jim and Pablo). And they can justify this by saying, 'oh, I wrote Propeller Beach after watching Apocalypse Now last weekend. It was 'an imaginary soundtrack, man'. Now, I know that a couple of the tracks here really were from movies...someone mentioned Legend, for instance. But most of it has been so heavilly overdubbed that it all just becomes another standard 90s TD album. Anyway, the band is making things easier for fans unsure about what they'll be getting in a new TDI release, in that they're just overdubbing *everything*. This is an attempt to make everything they've even composed sound like their current work, because since Edgar sees himself as the world leader in electronic music innovation, he must protect his street cred by making all of TDs crappy old stuff 'innovative', like their new stuff...right? So anyway, if you *like* their current sound, you can feel free to buy everything TDI puts out, content with the knowledge that you'll enjoy it. > Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good stuff on > here for me to begin! This was the only TDI release of recent years that I really enjoyed, because they left most of the tracks alone! Now, was that really so hard to do? > Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was eaten by an > old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) One of TD's finest moments. > Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with > this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to the > other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. There is a lot of meandering bits on Poland, but what's good on that album is *really* good. Side One is right up there with Tangram Part One and Ricochet Part 2 in my list of TDs best long compositions. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:57:38 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Oakley Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? 1)Mars Polaris 2) Melrose 3) Stratosfear 4) Optical Race Still working on my TD collection. I got in on Phaedra, Stratosfear, and Rubycon while very young, then more or less lost track until just a couple of years ago. Boy, do those older CD's still bring a stirring in my soul! Dan --- Rolf Elfström wrote: > 1. Mars Polaris > 2. The Seven Letters of Tibet > 3. The Dream Mixes > 4. Timesquare > 5. The Great Wall of China > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! 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Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 18:15:58 -0000 From: 'Gary Jenkins' Subject: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show Hi all here is my top 5 1.Mars Polaris 2.Goblin's Club 3.Oasis 4.Dream Mixes 5.Timesquare DM 2 Cheers Gary. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:22:16 -0500 From: Joe Shoults Subject: RE: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show > 1.Goblin's Club > 2.Oasis > 3.Mars Polaris > 4.Ambient Monkeys > 5.Dream Mixes ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:46:12 -0800 (PST) From: 'James E. Jacoby' Subject: Re: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show My top 5 Edgar & Jerome albums: 1) Goblin's Club 2) Mars Polaris 3) Dream Mixes 4) 220 Volt Live 5) Great Wall of China James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:11:52 -0800 From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Hey Dreamwatchers, Thanks to all those who made this happen. This one of the faster trees I've participated in. The music is great, I love the way each song blends into the next. Its amazing that TD has inspired and attracted so many creative artists. I am not able to list my favorites yet as some of the songs have become more intimate to me the more I listen. I'm looking forward to spending more time with this collection. Thanks again, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:47:41 +0100 From: 'Paul Fellows' Subject: Re : Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Oh God no, I feel awkward enough wearing a 'Great Wall of China' t-shirt! Paul ---------- >De : 'Conrad Gibbons' >Ŕ : >Objet : RE: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! >Date : Jeu 1 mars 2001 2:47 > > Hi everyone!!!!! > > Maybe we should be really organised and wear Name badges???? ;-) > > Regards, > > Conrad > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gert Jalass [mailto:gjalass@b...] > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:37 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Fw: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > > Hmm, > > drink if it's non-alc only ;-) > > They did quit drinking, smoking and eating meat. > > Gert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'David Foster' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > >> Come on Edgar, Jerome and gang......join us for a drink. >> >> David >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Paul Fellows >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with >> the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) >> >> 35 people already... >> >> Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) >> Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) >> Craig Cordrey (UK) >> David Foster (UK) >> Duncan McKee (UK) >> Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) >> Geir Smedsrud (Norway) >> Glynn Naughton (France) >> Heiko Heerssen (Germany) >> Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) >> James Williams + 1 friend (UK) >> Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) >> Lawry Simm (USA) >> Marion (UK) >> Matthew Stringer (UK) >> Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) >> Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) >> Paul Fellows (France) >> Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) >> Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) >> Rainer Rutka (Germany) >> Ray (UK) >> Richard (UK?) >> Roger Hartopp (Poland) >> Steve Jenkins (UK) >> >> cheers >> >> Paul >> >> Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >> artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >> included in the distribution tree: >> As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >> > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m >> y address is: >> >> As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >> > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% >> 20address is: >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: >> As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: >> >> As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:41:21 -0000 From: 'Mark Coyle' Subject: ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... Hi all, I've just joined, I'm a big space music/ambient fan and rediscovered my love of TD in the last year. > Still working on my TD collection. I got in on Phaedra, Stratosfear, > and Rubycon while very young, then more or less lost track until just > a couple of years ago. Boy, do those older CD's still bring a > stirring in my soul! While I've had loads of TD CDs old and new for ages, many of the albums particularly about 79/80 for some reason I tended to dismiss and not listen to. So, I've just listened to Force Majeure today for the first time and it's stunning. The addition of the drummer provides throbbing quality that enhances the pulsing flow of TD music. The music is starting to show the signs of the structuring that came in the 80s yet is still wildly oscillating. There are tape/samples and wolf like howling synths. Magical stuff!!! cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:44:03 +0100 From: herold.u@t... Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi dreamers, here is my TOP 5: 1. Mars Polaris 2. Goblins Club 3. Great Wall Of China 4. Oasis 5. The Seven Letters From Tibet dream on, Uwe ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 24 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:52:57 +0100 From: herold.u@t... Subject: Re: More collectable items Hi all, today i received a small packet from 'synth music direct' with the original 'Theta'-release of Johannes Schmoelling's 'the zoo of tranquillity'. Many thanks Antonio ;-) cheers, Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Antonio Nunes' To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: [tadream] More collectable items > Synth Music Direct http://www.synthmusicdirect.com has also a few > collectable items on their second hand list, including: > > Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer (MRCD7030) > > Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquility (Original version CD) > > Tangerine Dream - The Keep (ultra rare original CD in black card wallet) > > > > Antonio Nunes > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 25 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:38:00 -0800 (PST) From: 'j.gordon' Subject: Re: ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... welcome Mark!! j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 10:06 pm Subject: The Return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Just to rock the boat, I am going to reject the notion that Edgar and Jerome have put out one CD in the last 15 years which has entirely memorable tracks cover-to-cover. I am, however, going to put up a list of 12 tracks over the last 12 years which I think Edgar and Jerome have reached me with. Listed in no particular order: 1. Zoning(96) - The Conspiracy (opening theme) 2. Oasis - Waterbourne 3. Oasis - Flashflood 4. Dream Mixes - Little Blonde in the Park of Attractions 5. Dream Mixes UK - Sojus 6. Dream Mixes - Firetongues (The Break Freak Mix) 7. Dream Mixes - Touchwood* 8. Goblin's Club - Towards the Evening Star 9. TimeSquare - Jungle Jacula 10. Logos Blue 88 11. Mars Polaris - Comet's Figurehead 12. i-Box - Longing for Cashba** (Werner-Seelenbinder theme) An honorable mention must go to Dream Mixes, TimeSquare, and 220 Volt. If I had to pick -Morgan P.S. You'll notice I've included a Zoning track, even though I have made several disparaging comments about the CD. In most cases, I ignored the source and just listened to the music. *ideally the Dreaming on Danforth Ave 92 live version **Edgar kind of ruined the Longing for Cashba scene by cutting off the 30 second intro and the last 2 minutes. The sax is not entirely unwelcome. This is all compared to the original 1990 concert series. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 10:12 pm Subject: Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 DWT 2 sounds good to me--I've a track to submit if I can find it. --teiwaz (ot--anyone going to porcupine tree the night after TD at SBE?) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 9:54 pm Subject: Re: Hollywood years Right after Hollywood years came out we (the list) gave our opinions on where each of the tracks on both volumes were likely to have come from or been unused cues from. I have changed computers several times since then and can't seem to locate the latest compiled version of the general consensus for these. I've also scanned the available archives and no luck there. This would have been after Dream Dice came out, but prior to the closing down of the UWP mailing list. If anyone has that available, could you please repost it? Thanks, James -----Original Message----- From: ohmss76@a... Subject: Latest and Greatest TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came from? I was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? I was hoping, by the packaging anyway, that this would be unreleased cues from STRANGE BEHAVIOR,THE SOLDIER and other oddities.....wherever the cues originate from, its a great listen, and I hear echoes of the 'Virgin' years in many of these pieces:):):) From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 10:34 pm Subject: Welcome + ? Hi all, many thanks for the kind welcome. Here's an enquiry, apart from Edgar Frose solo albums which I know well, what are the ten best solo albums by other TD members that are recommended (excluding Klaus Schulze which of course would be a list all on its own)? I've ordered a load of Chris Franke, Peter Baumann, Johannes Schmoelling and so on and and wondered what more informed people on the list would list of these. I've got the MIchael Hoenig album (and the one with Gottsching), is he considered an ex-member as he only played live rather than recorded? Many kind thanks cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: pw098@a... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 1:38 am Subject: Top five from the Froese's Here's my top 5. 1) Mars Polaris 2) Turn of the Tides 3) The Seven Letters of Tibet 4) Tournado 5) 220 Volt -Bob Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26206 Re: Top five from the Froese's Piotr Sulkowski II Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26228 Re: Top five from the Froese's Lord Rayden Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26211 Re: Top five from the Froese's Michal Moroz Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26214 Re: Top five from the Froese's Antonio Nunes Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26235 Top five from the Froese's Poul Erik Sat 3/3/2001 2 KB 26326 Re: Top five from the Froese's Steve Yensen Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 8:07 am Subject: half off topic: TD for Processor Hi all, you can tell that I'm getting desperate. I have been looking in vain for a replacement processor for my PC. So I'll try it here. I'll compensate in cash and/or TD rarities from my swaplist ! What I need is an Intel Pentium III Katmai 600 MHz, Slot 1, 100 MHz FSB, used or new, preferrably with cooler. The Katmai is the older, no longer manufactured version, and can be discerned by it's core voltage of 2.05 V and 512 kB Cache. The newer 'Coppermine' can be found easily, it needs 1.65V, which my board can't do... hope someone can help cheers, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-171-7338969 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 9:28 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... Hi Mark, velcome to the list. Enjoy.. Poul > Hi all, > > I've just joined, I'm a big space music/ambient fan and rediscovered my love of TD in > the last year. From: gmroger@p... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 10:03 am Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show ________________________________________________________________________ > From: Dan Oakley > Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > > 1)Mars Polaris > 2) Melrose > 3) Stratosfear > 4) Optical Race Hi Dan! Unfortunately, with the exception of Mars Polaris, you've chosen albums during the Eddy/Jerry/Pauly, Eddy/Chrissie/Pete & eddy/Pauly eras. Have another go! From the last digest, already fourteen of you have voted! As you all may have guessed, we have a clear leader; the next four only have five points seperating them, and these five in turn appear to be clear of the rest. But there's 400 of you out there... if you all care to get out of lurk mode! I'm off for the weekend so I won't have the chance to update the chart until Monday, but keep them coming. Incidentally, two queries have emerged... should we be including in the selection 'Jim & Pablo' and the other CD given with the 'Millenium Booster'? (neither of which I possess, I'm afraid.) My own thoughts are we should stick to the CD's that have been generally available to everyone (if you can find shops that stock them, of course!) :) Roger -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26205 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show Matthew Sawyer Fri 3/2/2001 3 KB 26207 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show Dan Oakley Fri 3/2/2001 4 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 10:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show From: > But there's 400 of you out there... if you all care to > get out of lurk mode! Alright, alright! (stares long and hard at his CD collection) Bloody hell, this is a tough one... (stares again) Er... can we include concert tapes? ;-) OK, my top 5. Or rather the least worst: 1) Dream Encores (just for the first track. The rest was awful) 2) What a Blast. (just for 'Beauty of the Blast'. The rest was dull) 3) Dream Mixes 2. (just for 'Mobocaster'. Anyone else see a pattern forming here?) 4) Mars Polaris. (I still don't get what all the fuss was about over this album). 5) Sony Center Score. (not widely available I know, but I can't think of any other ones I liked!) Maff ________________________________________ matthewsawyer@b... http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 11:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's Hi, my Top Five: 1. The Seven Letters of Tibet 2. 220 Volt 3. Tournado 4. Transsiberia 5. Mars Polaris Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium -------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A--------------------- Szukasz wiedzy? 85 tysiecy uaktualnianych ciagle hasel. Encyklopedia Internautica: http://encyklopedia.interia.pl/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26228 Re: Top five from the Froese's Lord Rayden Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB From: Dan Oakley Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show Seeing the 'Eddy & Jerry show' listings has given me some clear direction on what to purchase next. Thanks to all who have given their input. Dan --- gmroger@p... wrote: > ________________________________________________________________________ > > From: Dan Oakley > > Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > > > > 1)Mars Polaris > > 2) Melrose > > 3) Stratosfear > > 4) Optical Race > > Hi Dan! Unfortunately, with the exception of Mars Polaris, you've > chosen albums during the Eddy/Jerry/Pauly, Eddy/Chrissie/Pete & > eddy/Pauly eras. Have another go! > > From the last digest, already fourteen of you have voted! As you > all > may have guessed, we have a clear leader; the next four only have > five points seperating them, and these five in turn appear to be > clear of the rest. But there's 400 of you out there... if you all > care to > get out of lurk mode! > > I'm off for the weekend so I won't have the chance to update the > chart until Monday, but keep them coming. > > Incidentally, two queries have emerged... should we be including in > > the selection 'Jim & Pablo' and the other CD given with the > 'Millenium Booster'? (neither of which I possess, I'm afraid.) My > own thoughts are we should stick to the CD's that have been > generally available to everyone (if you can find shops that stock > them, of course!) :) > > Roger > > > -- > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 1:58 pm Subject: The Return of the Eddy & Jerry show and Welcome + ? It's always hard to rank music and with 90's TD it's extremely hard. Here is an attempt but it is actually only the first two that I play somewhat regularly:* 1) What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) 2) Oasis 3) Ambient Monkeys 4) Goblins' Club# 5) Mars Polaris * I haven't heard Valentine Wheels, Tournado, Zoning and Rumpelstiltskin. 'Mark Coyle' wrote: >I've ordered a load of Chris Franke, Peter Baumann, Johannes Schmoelling and so on >and and wondered what more informed people on the list would list of these. I've got >the MIchael Hoenig album (and the one with Gottsching), is he considered an ex-member >as he only played live rather than recorded? I don't have a complete collection so others will have to fill in. Just a few hints: Schmoelling: Wuivend Riet is still my favourite Baumann: Romance 76 (I'm fairly convinced that's the only one you need from him) Francke: I'm not so impressed of his work but there are some good albums. The London Concert isn´t a bad choice. Hoenig: Departure from the Northern Wastelands, X-cept one. Both are great! Hope that helps. Bye now, Olle From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 2:11 pm Subject: north american tour 2001 speculation north american tour 2001 speculation am I the only one that's antsy about the silence on the purported north american 2001 tour? --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26212 Re: north american tour 2001 speculation Joe Shoults Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 2:27 pm Subject: Online reservation for TD concert October 7th, Bernau Hi folks, you can place an online ticket order for TD's concert in the German town of Bernau (near Berlin) on Sunday, October 7th, 2001 (the first part of their Dante's 'Inferno' trilogy) The URL is at http://www.altemusik.de/ (click on 'Reservierung', unfortunately for some of you it's all in German language) I haven't got a reply from the organizer yet (I sent out my e-mail just a few minutes ago) , but I wonder why there has been no information about the availability of tickets from the official TD side....? Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26398 Re: Online reservation for TD concert October 7th j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's Greetings from orbit :) my Top Five Daddy and Son 1) Goblin's Club 2) Mars Polaris 3) Timesquare 4) Quinoa 5) Valentine Wheels Michal Moroz aka Space Station Mir From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 3:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] north american tour 2001 speculation well, the word is that they are 'very confident', but you shouldn't get all upset if it doesn't happen. I'm confident that they WANT to make it happen and will if they can. > -----Original Message----- > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 9:11 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; teiwazbarana@h... > Subject: [tadream] north american tour 2001 speculation > > > north american tour 2001 speculation > > am I the only one that's antsy about the silence on the > purported north > american 2001 tour? > > --teiwaz From: 'koulos' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? 1 220 Volt 2 What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) 3 The Dream Mixes 4 Goblins' Club [if it considered to be a eddy and jerome thing count as my number 5 Dream Dice [inclubing the bonus track ca va- ca marche-ca ira encore] or else 5 Mars Polaris all the best to this countdown kostas from Greece From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 4:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's Here's my top 5: 1) Valentine Wheels 2) Turn of the Tides 3) Rumpelstiltskin 4) Quinoa 5) Oasis But if I could choose any album released in the last 10 years, I would vote for 'Antique Dreams', 'Dream Encores', 'Soundmill Navigator' and 'Sohoman' (I don't mind the 'tangentizing'), and 'Valentine Wheels'. Antonio Nunes From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 2:22 am Subject: TD colllectables on e-bay Hi everyone, In case anyone was unaware, there are now only a couple of days to go in the e-bay auction for these two TD collectables..... 1980-81 World Tour Patch (orange and yellow on black background) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1412103378 Fully signed (Edgar, Jerome, Zlatco and Emil) colour Tournado Postcard from 1997 UK tour http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1412106386 Happy bidding and good luck! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 9:09 am Subject: Re : [tadream] Going Shopping Which month's pay are you talking about, the one where you get paid, or the one where you don't :-) ---------- >De : 'Neal Frost' >Ŕ : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] Going Shopping >Date : Jeu 1 mars 2001 4:19 > > For those of us poor souls that will not be able to see the TD concert in > the UK in May, are there any 'Kind Souls' that ARE going that might be > willing to do a little shopping? We/I can only assume that there will be > some little tidbit, or prerelease of something sold at the concert. Maybe a > single that will only be available at the show and not on the regular > market? > > Anyone willing to help, I would be willing to send a months pay, in > advance, for the help. > ('Honest honey, we only get paid every OTHER month at work.') > > Neal > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Paul Fellows >> To: >> Date: 2/28/01 2:07:10 PM >> Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! >> >> Hi all, >> >> If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with >> the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) >> >> 35 people already... >> >> Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) >> Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) >> Craig Cordrey (UK) >> David Foster (UK) >> Duncan McKee (UK) >> Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) >> Geir Smedsrud (Norway) >> Glynn Naughton (France) >> Heiko Heerssen (Germany) >> Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) >> James Williams + 1 friend (UK) >> Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) >> Lawry Simm (USA) >> Marion (UK) >> Matthew Stringer (UK) >> Patrik Ljungberg + friend S–ren (Sweden) >> Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) >> Paul Fellows (France) >> Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) >> Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) >> Rainer Rutka (Germany) >> Ray (UK) >> Richard (UK?) >> Roger Hartopp (Poland) >> Steve Jenkins (UK) >> >> cheers >> >> Paul >> >> Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: >> As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: >> >> As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > > 'I have gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, > Please keep me here.' > > > --- Neal Frost > --- strat95@e... > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: ohmss76@a... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest RE:Soundmill Nav. >>>>Oh dear, you have stumbled upon a few of the latest misadventures by Tangerine Dream. Soundmill Navigator is a bit of a cruel joke. It's a 1976 concert with the volume turned down, lots of stuff added, and as you noticed, there is an awful chh chh chh sound during the whole thing. Edgar claims that it would have been impossible to remove this defect without ruining the music (a statement which several knowledgeable sound filtering and clarifying experts on the list strongly refute), so he actually ADDED this chh chh sound to the whole CD (such as the first 9 minutes which is entirely a studio creation). <<<<<<<<<<<<< I am still mortified about this. And here I thought Froese was a genius! This is just inexscusable, and now I have to question picking up another copy,since(Sean I believe)said his plays fine! You would think with all the technology they could remove any flaws,or work around it. >Sohoman 1982 Sydney Concert - Froese (creator of Tangerine Dream and the only one left of the old guard) seems to have no desire to release concerts as-is. So as you note, he butchered Logos, and removed all trace of the nice guitar work in the last 8 minutes (which was originally 12 minutes) and tacked on a fake ending. His changes to Sohoman are completely out of tune, out of time, and don't fit at all.<<<< Now Im getting mad:( Then its possible my keen ear picked up similarities in WHITE EAGLE tracks on this concert,since they may be the SAME tracks from the album!?!?! >TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - That's exactly what we hoped for, but it turned out to be a lot of 1990's Tangerine Dream noodlings in the key of Miracle Mile and Melrose-era albums. <<<<<<<<< Someone wrote there was a list compiled of what films these are from...Id love to see it if anyone has it! I can take the MM/Melrose era, in fact I like both those albums very much. Again, we all seemed to have wanted something else. So how is Vol.2? I read somewhere there may be a cue from THE KEEP on it? Is that true? > >Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with >this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to the >other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. Aww, I love Tangent :) Poland and Ricochet are classics. -Morgan <<<<<<<<<<<<< Yes I do too:) I just would have sacrificed that(and RARE BIRD) if I ABSOLUTELY had to! ;-) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Sorry if my e-mail sounds negative. The last few years have been hard for TD fans who want the old concerts (there are well over 100 hours of unique material [different enough from the albums] to warrant releasing) and keep getting these fluffed up mislabeled CDs. I think the only people buying these CDs like Sohoman and Soundmill are people who haven't been warned ahead of time. :( <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, Like me!lol Thanks for the enlightenment,Morgan! All the best, Sean A _________________________________________________________________ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26219 Re: Latest and Greatest j.gordon Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Dream Mixes 3 delayed! Since Dream Mixes 3 was supposed to be out this month, and yet no information about ordering it has emerged yet, this latest release date change does not come as a surprise. Dream Mixes 3 has been postponed until the second half of May...to move it up closer to the planned North American tour dates, I imagine. But they promise that a webpage with info about the album will be up by Monday. http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/mainmenu.html -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest hey, sean... > I can take the MM/Melrose era, in fact I like both those albums very much. > Again, we all seemed to have wanted something else. So how is Vol.2? I read > somewhere there may be a cue from THE KEEP on it? Is that true? now i dig HYv1 - in fact, i think it's got some really good stuff on it - but i ate the big donut when i got v2... it came highly recommend, mostly because of the vocal track at the end, Rose of Babylon... wrong-o... it seemed that v1 was like all the cues that didn't make the cut for the movie, (hand-me downs, so to speak) but v2 was like those that didn't make the cut for the pan-me downs... sigh... to all y'all that dig v2, my apologies for any offense... i just think this is one of those albums that should have have been sacrificed to the gods... for appeasment... ;) j.gordon ps lots of other places to get yer Keep cues, sean... coughcoughElectronicCoughOrgycoughcough __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:11 pm Subject: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Since everyone in the world seems to be contributing their lists, I may as well too. 1. Goblins' Club 2. Tyranny of Beauty 3. The Dream Mixes 4. TimeSquare 5. 220 Volt --Daniel NP: Rush--Test for Echo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26221 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums lawlermusic Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26223 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Matthew Sawyer Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26226 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums j.gordon Fri 3/2/2001 3 KB 26227 Windows ME Dan Oakley Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26240 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Frank Arellano Sat 3/3/2001 3 KB 26248 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Lawry Simm Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB 26249 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Richard Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB 26250 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Gary Jenkins Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top Edgar and Jerome albums For me , this is like listing my top 5 illnesses . Having said that , they have produced a few really good tracks over the last decade . almost enough for a full CD:) anyway , in no particular order : 1 Timesquare 2. Rockcoon 3 Goblins Club 4 Oasis 5.Valentine Wheels whats the track they did for sony ? somebody mentioned earlier . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest >From: ohmss76@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: > >RE:Soundmill Nav. > > >>>>Oh dear, you have stumbled upon a few of the latest misadventures by >Tangerine Dream. Soundmill Navigator is a bit of a cruel joke. It's a 1976 >concert with the volume turned down, lots of stuff added, and as you >noticed, there is an awful chh chh chh sound during the whole thing. Edgar >claims that it would have been impossible to remove this defect without >ruining the music (a statement which several knowledgeable sound filtering >and clarifying experts on the list strongly refute), so he actually ADDED >this chh chh sound to the whole CD (such as the first 9 minutes which is >entirely a studio creation). ><<<<<<<<<<<<< > >I am still mortified about this. And here I thought Froese was a genius! >This is just inexscusable, and now I have to question picking up another >copy,since(Sean I believe)said his plays fine! It does take studio ears, good speakers, or both to hear this noise. I heard it at once but maybe it's because I knew what I was looking for. >You would think with all the technology they could remove any flaws,or work >around it. A few members of this list took a shot at it and were able to completely obliterate the sound with 20-30 minutes of filtering work without damaging the underlying music at all. So there's no excuse for Edgar to not have done it except foolish pride. And no, copies of this are not available! Better to enjoy a recording of the original concert anyway. > >Sohoman 1982 Sydney <<<< > >Now Im getting mad:( Then its possible my keen ear picked up similarities >in WHITE EAGLE tracks on this concert,since they may be the SAME tracks >from the album!?!?! Actually, Convention of the 24, White Eagle, Logos 'red part', and a snippet of Horizon WERE played at that show. So the music you hear on Sohoman *IS* the original music, turned down to about 70% volume with lots of stuff on top. White Eagle is actually pretty close to how it was originally played with the cool warbling sounds at the beginning. It's amazing that with the wealth of unreleased music between 1980 and 1982, Edgar chose 45 minutes of an Australian concert which is not only 70% released material already, but one of Edgar's less enthusiastic performances of Bondy Parade I've ever heard. Edgar must agree with me, he completely lifted his guitar solo, which *WAS* the heart of the song and cut the song short by 4 minutes and added a fake ending. > >Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with > >this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to >the > >other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. > >Aww, I love Tangent :) Poland and Ricochet are classics. > >-Morgan ><<<<<<<<<<<<< > >Yes I do too:) I just would have sacrificed that(and RARE BIRD) if I >ABSOLUTELY had to! ;-) The only way to own Poland in its entirety really is to have the 2 CD set, which is long out-of-print and hard to find. The funny thing about Poland is that the CD is fairly accurate to the concert except the track 'Poland' which is a studio version. Now, you might be a bit infuriated to hear this. Honestly, having heard both the live 31 minute version and the 22 minute version on the Poland CD, I think the one on the CD is more polished and prefer it. It is interesting to hear both versions however. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top Edgar and Jerome albums From: lawlermusic > whats the track they did for sony ? somebody mentioned earlier . I'm not sure exactly where they played it. It's about 15 minutes long, contains a small bit of Mars Polaris, and I think was only available as a surprise gift in the Millennium Booster pack. Like alot of the modern material, it has a couple of moments of greatness mixed in with parts that wander around aimlessly. Maff ________________________________________ matthewsawyer@b... http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26226 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums j.gordon Fri 3/2/2001 3 KB 26227 Windows ME Dan Oakley Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB From: ohmss76@a... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 8:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest Morgan writes: The only way to own Poland in its entirety really is to have the 2 CD set, which is long out-of-print and hard to find. The funny thing about Poland is that the CD is fairly accurate to the concert except the track 'Poland' which is a studio version. Now, you might be a bit infuriated to hear this. Honestly, having heard both the live 31 minute version and the 22 minute version on the Poland CD, I think the one on the CD is more polished and prefer it. It is interesting to hear both versions however. -Morgan <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I always wondered about this being 'live'. I must ask,why the preference for the 2CD Poland? I've seen this around, and thought a single CD condensation of the set would be the way to go. Time to listen to Sohoman with better ears, Sean _________________________________________________________________ From: ohmss76@a... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest Thanks for saving me a few bucks J:) I was going to grab HWYears V2 this weekend, but if its not worth it....well if someone out there likes it speak up:) And er,uh...eepnay anksnay orgynay elecnay:)lol Best, Sean From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top Edgar and Jerome albums it was played at the sony topping center... a dedication to the 'new' sony building in Berlin... the music is floating around, (it was never released officially as it's own CD, i believe... please correct me if i'm wrong someone...) it's a little over 18 minutes and its right in line with the other music they've produced in the 90's... =) j.gordon --- Matthew Sawyer wrote: > From: lawlermusic > > > whats the track they did for sony ? somebody mentioned earlier . > > I'm not sure exactly where they played it. It's about 15 minutes long, > contains a small bit of Mars Polaris, and I think was only available as a > surprise gift in the Millennium Booster pack. Like alot of the modern > material, it has a couple of moments of greatness mixed in with parts that > wander around aimlessly. > > > Maff > ________________________________________ > matthewsawyer@b... > http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ > http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26227 Windows ME Dan Oakley Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB From: Dan Oakley Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 9:24 pm Subject: Windows ME Does anyone know if TD does the music packaged with the tutorial movies in Windows ME? Dan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Lord Rayden' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's > > Hi, > > my Top Five: > > 1. The Seven Letters of Tibet > 2. 220 Volt > 3. Tournado > 4. Transsiberia > 5. Mars Polaris > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. Millennium Bardzo wywazone i rozsadne propozycje. No i DM nieobecne - chwali sie. Rayden (z nasluchu) P.S. J23 znowu nadaje ! -------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A--------------------- Szukasz wiedzy? 85 tysiecy uaktualnianych ciagle hasel. Encyklopedia Internautica: http://encyklopedia.interia.pl/ From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 10:09 pm Subject: Dream Roots Collection box set Hey there all, just wanted to pop a quick note here. I'd posted earlier, but don't know if the post went through. IF SO, apologies for a repeat, if not, here's the post :) I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection in Best Buy for under $50 for all 5 Cds. WHAT exactly is this? the way the box set is packaged up, you cannot view or see a track listing, so I thought I'd ask here, as everyone has always been wonderful about helping out. I've only been a TD fan for about 4 years now (collecting), although had been introducted to TD years ago, and was stupid enough to not listen (GRIN). BUT seeing stuff like this in a big box set makes me want to pick things up, BUT I always like to ask and inquire first? Anyone? thanks. At the same time, I'm still trying to obtain more live recordings of TD material, and everytime I seem to get into something of a swap details, everyone already has everything I DO of live material. Anyone interested in 2-1 swaps, etc for blanks, please e-mail me off the list. AND same goes with the information about Dream Roots. thanks much. dan Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address!

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26231 Re: Dream Roots Collection box set Sean Montgomery Fri 3/2/2001 3 KB 26232 Re: Dream Roots Collection box set :-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dust Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26252 Re: Dream Roots Collection box set Feldon Feldon Sun 3/4/2001 3 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 10:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Windows ME Oh no... actually THEY MAKE their music using the programs included with Windows ME! :O) Sorry just kidding... but sometimes I do wonder.. Greg H. From: 'Dan Oakley' > Does anyone know if TD does the music packaged with the tutorial > movies in Windows ME? > > Dan From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 11:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection box set winnie the pooh wrote: > I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection in Best Buy for under $50 for all 5 Cds. WHAT exactly is this? the way the box set is packaged up, you cannot view or see a track listing, so I thought I'd ask here, as everyone has always been wonderful about helping out. The Dream Roots collection presents music from two eras of TD history: the years 1970-1973, when they were on the German label 'Ohr'; and 1983-1988, when they were represented by the label Jive Electro (TD is now calling these eras 'The Pink Years' and 'The Blue Years' respectively). A tracklisting can be seen on Amazon.com, if you do a search for 'dream roots'. Almost all of the 1970-73 'Pink Years' stuff has been heavilly modified/re-recorded (except for the four tracks from Green Desert, the only album from the era that I like). The changes don't make the material any better, in my opinion. The Blue Years stuff is presented pretty much intact, but it's been remastered, and the sound quality is great. If you don't have any albums from that era (and you should! Underwater Sunlight and Poland in particular), this set might be a good place to start. It also has four previously unreleased tracks on disk 5, and one of them in particular (Valley of the Sun) is excellent. It also comes with a nice booklet, full of pictures. All in all, it's a pretty good set...and you can indeed get it for under $50. Cduniverse.com has it for about $44. Still, in the long run you may be better off just buying Green Desert, Poland, Le Parc, Underwater Sunlight and Livemiles. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: :'-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 11:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection box set winnie the pooh said: > I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection ...WHAT exactly is this? http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artistid =TANGERINE+DREAM/itemid=1010759 -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: Ken Beal Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 1:04 am Subject: FS: Blank Cassettes Howdy All... Sorry to bother you, but have been cleaning closets and found the following: 17 Maxell XLII 90 Cassettes 2 Maxell XLII 100 Cassettes 1 Maxell XLII 60 Cassette 1 TDK MA90 Cassette All are still sealed in their original packaging. I will be taking offers for these for the next 3 or 4 days. I am willing to consider talking about 'Private Label' Tangerine Dream related items as barter. Thanks for listening...and please respond off list... Ken ********************************************** The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh. ********************************************** To avoid disappointment, lower expectations. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26264 Re: FS: Blank Cassettes Joe Shoults Mon 3/5/2001 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 2:11 am Subject: Re: Latest and Greatest ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >I always wondered about this being 'live'. I must ask,why the preference for the 2CD Poland? I've seen this around, and thought a single CD condensation of the set would be the way to go. >Time to listen to Sohoman with better ears, >Sean Because the in the remastered 1-cd Poland, Barbakane is just like in Extracts; the final section had to be removed so it could fit in the CD. Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 5:53 am Subject: Top five from the Froese's Here's my top five, allthough hard to choose( yeah, I like the nineties a well :o) 1. Oasis 2. Mars Polaris 3. What A Blast 4. 220 Volts 5. Goblins Club Poul lakota@g... - We'll Keep The Red Flag Flying High - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 5:54 pm Subject: I always wondered about this being 'live' I am glad you asked the question, I have both the single and double CD(s) of Poland and thought they sounded different. Now I know why. As the owner (proud?) of both Tangents and the infamous I-box set along the 30-odds other TD CD's, I do not think I will buy any more 'Collections'. I have acquired a few 'fan tapes' and other forms of 'live' concerts. Now, for the first time I 'hear' the difference of a true concert and a 'doctored' version of TD live. It is indeed a world of difference. As an avid collector of Bruce Springsteen concerts, I pale when Columbia releases a 'Live Collection' as they bare so little resemblance to the true concert setting. Granted the sound is cleaner, but so much of the ambiance and spontaneity is lost in the editing process. Sterilization if you will. I don't need an engineer decide what a concert sounds like. I already know. Having never had the pleasure of attending a TD concert, I rely on tapes and live releases to enhance the visualizations of the hall and musicians performing the wonderful sound that is Tangerine Dream. So I will trade and collect as much of the early and mid-eighties concerts as I can. An dreally think twice over new factory TD live releases. Oh, hell who am I kidding, I will buy the damn things just to own them. But , I would be happy with myself later(grin). I am on a rant here; I just paid $90.00 so my wife and oldest son can see NSYNC live. And she complains to me of my spending money on TD stuff! Regards, DPH -----Original Message----- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tadream@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 2:06 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 814 ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ----------------------------------------------------_- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 7 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Dream Roots Collection box set From: 'winnie the pooh' 2. Re: Windows ME From: 'Greg' 3. Re: Dream Roots Collection box set From: Sean Montgomery 4. Re: Dream Roots Collection box set From: :'-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk' 5. FS: Blank Cassettes From: Ken Beal 6. Re: Latest and Greatest From: Gustavo Jobim 7. Top five from the Froese's From: 'Poul Erik' ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:09:38 -0500 From: 'winnie the pooh' Subject: Dream Roots Collection box set Hey there all, just wanted to pop a quick note here. I'd posted earlier, but don't know if the post went through. IF SO, apologies for a repeat, if not, here's the post :) I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection in Best Buy for under $50 for all 5 Cds. WHAT exactly is this? the way the box set is packaged up, you cannot view or see a track listing, so I thought I'd ask here, as everyone has always been wonderful about helping out. I've only been a TD fan for about 4 years now (collecting), although had been introducted to TD years ago, and was stupid enough to not listen (GRIN). BUT seeing stuff like this in a big box set makes me want to pick things up, BUT I always like to ask and inquire first? Anyone? thanks. At the same time, I'm still trying to obtain more live recordings of TD material, and everytime I seem to get into something of a swap details, everyone already has everything I DO of live material. Anyone interested in 2-1 swaps, etc for blanks, please e-mail me off the list. AND same goes with the information about Dream Roots. thanks much. dan Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address!

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:31:22 -0700 From: 'Greg' Subject: Re: Windows ME Oh no... actually THEY MAKE their music using the programs included with Windows ME! :O) Sorry just kidding... but sometimes I do wonder.. Greg H. From: 'Dan Oakley' > Does anyone know if TD does the music packaged with the tutorial > movies in Windows ME? > > Dan ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:25:40 -0500 From: Sean Montgomery Subject: Re: Dream Roots Collection box set winnie the pooh wrote: > I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection in Best Buy for under $50 for all 5 Cds. WHAT exactly is this? the way the box set is packaged up, you cannot view or see a track listing, so I thought I'd ask here, as everyone has always been wonderful about helping out. The Dream Roots collection presents music from two eras of TD history: the years 1970-1973, when they were on the German label 'Ohr'; and 1983-1988, when they were represented by the label Jive Electro (TD is now calling these eras 'The Pink Years' and 'The Blue Years' respectively). A tracklisting can be seen on Amazon.com, if you do a search for 'dream roots'. Almost all of the 1970-73 'Pink Years' stuff has been heavilly modified/re-recorded (except for the four tracks from Green Desert, the only album from the era that I like). The changes don't make the material any better, in my opinion. The Blue Years stuff is presented pretty much intact, but it's been remastered, and the sound quality is great. If you don't have any albums from that era (and you should! Underwater Sunlight and Poland in particular), this set might be a good place to start. It also has four previously unreleased tracks on disk 5, and one of them in particular (Valley of the Sun) is excellent. It also comes with a nice booklet, full of pictures. All in all, it's a pretty good set...and you can indeed get it for under $50. Cduniverse.com has it for about $44. Still, in the long run you may be better off just buying Green Desert, Poland, Le Parc, Underwater Sunlight and Livemiles. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 23:27:36 -0000 From: :'-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk' Subject: Re: Dream Roots Collection box set winnie the pooh said: > I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection ...WHAT exactly is this? http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artist id =TANGERINE+DREAM/itemid=1010759 -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:04:26 -0800 From: Ken Beal Subject: FS: Blank Cassettes Howdy All... Sorry to bother you, but have been cleaning closets and found the following: 17 Maxell XLII 90 Cassettes 2 Maxell XLII 100 Cassettes 1 Maxell XLII 60 Cassette 1 TDK MA90 Cassette All are still sealed in their original packaging. I will be taking offers for these for the next 3 or 4 days. I am willing to consider talking about 'Private Label' Tangerine Dream related items as barter. Thanks for listening...and please respond off list... Ken ********************************************** The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh. ********************************************** To avoid disappointment, lower expectations. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:11:02 -0300 From: Gustavo Jobim Subject: Re: Latest and Greatest ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >I always wondered about this being 'live'. I must ask,why the preference for the 2CD Poland? I've seen this around, and thought a single CD condensation of the set would be the way to go. >Time to listen to Sohoman with better ears, >Sean Because the in the remastered 1-cd Poland, Barbakane is just like in Extracts; the final section had to be removed so it could fit in the CD. Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 06:53:43 +0100 From: 'Poul Erik' Subject: Top five from the Froese's Here's my top five, allthough hard to choose( yeah, I like the nineties a well :o) 1. Oasis 2. Mars Polaris 3. What A Blast 4. 220 Volts 5. Goblins Club Poul lakota@g... - We'll Keep The Red Flag Flying High - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Odp: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's Ano, ano mysle wiec jestem :) Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium > > > > Hi, > > > > my Top Five: > > > > 1. The Seven Letters of Tibet > > 2. 220 Volt > > 3. Tournado > > 4. Transsiberia > > 5. Mars Polaris > > > > Pozdrawiam > > > > Piotr S. Millennium > > Bardzo wywazone i rozsadne propozycje. No i DM nieobecne - chwali sie. > > Rayden (z nasluchu) > > P.S. J23 znowu nadaje ! -------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A--------------------- Szukasz wiedzy? 85 tysiecy uaktualnianych ciagle hasel. Encyklopedia Internautica: http://encyklopedia.interia.pl/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26253 Re: Top five from the Froese's Lord Rayden Sun 3/4/2001 3 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 7:12 pm Subject: ATTENTION: update and NEW Homepage Name - OPTICALDREAM.DE Hi all, NEW Name of my Tangerine Dream Fan-Homepage: please add this to your links (thank you): http://www.opticaldream.de the other Name is no more available. The New Homepage has was also updated at: 03.03.2001 Please jump to: www.opticaldream.de Regards Heiko from Burg/Germany See you at London in May and Bernau/Berlin in October!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: ohmss76@a... Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 8:40 pm Subject: What IS the I-Box? Since I was at Tower eyeballing this one AGAIN last night, it is probably timely to ask everyone here is this worth my $54? I have 0 compilations of old albums, as it seems there are far too many, and how many times do you need to own excerpts of Stratosfear,Alpha Centauri and Zeit,etc,etc if you have the whole thng? It seems these collections always just chop up previously released tracks with a few new ones,and who knows where those come from! So is this worth it? And how about Tangents, the Virgin box? Is that another case of 'buy 4 old cd's and get one new one? I see there is a whole disc of new stuff there, but again are these just leftovers? Someone please let me know, since if they're no good, Alex North's monumental score for CLEOPATRA is being released on 2 cd's in a couple weeks! All the best, Sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26243 Re: What IS the I-Box? Feldon Feldon Sat 3/3/2001 5 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 8:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top Edgar and Jerome albums What! Paul, I didn't see 'Seven Letters Of Tibet' on your list. :-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'lawlermusic' To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Top Edgar and Jerome albums > For me , this is like listing my top 5 illnesses . > Having said that , they have produced a few really good tracks over the last > decade . almost enough for a full CD:) > anyway , in no particular order : > > 1 Timesquare > 2. Rockcoon > 3 Goblins Club > 4 Oasis > 5.Valentine Wheels > > whats the track they did for sony ? somebody mentioned earlier . > > Paul > > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 9:15 pm Subject: The return of Eddie and Jerry Alright now, I know some of you have been holding your breath waiting for mine , so here it goes :-) 1. Tournado 2. Oasis 3. Mars Polaris 4. 220 Volt 5. Quinoa So far it's a runaway with Mars Polaris in the lead. The only ones that haven't received any votes from Roger's list are Hollywood Years Vol. I and II, and Zoning. From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 9:44 pm Subject: Eddy and Jerry's Top 5 Okay, I thought I'd give you all an idea how things are shaping up so far based on 27 qualified entries. Dan Oakley, I need your revised one. Morgan, sorry, but your's was obviously disqualified :-) Matt, Dream Encore and Sony Center aren't on Roger's list either. !. Mars Polaris 79 [pts] 2.Oasis [43] 3. Goblins Club [40] 4. Dream Mixes I [36] 5. Timesquare [35] 6. What A Blast [30] 7. 220 Volt [28] 8.Valentine Wheels [17] 9. Quinoa [16] 10. Seven Letters Of Tibet [15] 11. Tournado [13] 12. Great Wall Of China [9] Turn Of The Tides [9] 14. Transsiberia [7] Tyranny Of Beauty [7] 16. Ambient Monkeys [5] 17. Rockoon [4] 18. Rumplestiltskin [3] 19. Hollywood Years I [0] Hollywood Years II [0] Zoning [0] This has been a public service announcement. :-D Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26244 Re: Eddy and Jerry's Top 5 Feldon Feldon Sat 3/3/2001 2 KB 26302 Re: Eddy and Jerry's Top 5 tadream Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 10:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What IS the I-Box? i-Box is: -several Tangents (74-83) compilation tracks -several Dream Roots (71-73, 84-87) compilation tracks -11 'rare' tracks -2 studio demo versions of a pair of 90's era tracks (very remixed and interesting) -Warsaw in the Sun 12' vinyl edition never before on CD -Logos 88 theme [see Tangents below] -a handful of tracks which are 'inspired by various 86-89 concerts' -an edited Werner Saleenbinder 1990 concert theme [I love the original, Edgar cut it down 30 sec in the front, 2 minutes at the back, and brought Linda Spa on board to record saxophone on top of it. It's still *decent* even with all this] -a CD labeled 'Perth 1982 concert' which is in fact**: -about 13 minutes of Edgar Froese solos from 1982 including Kamikaze and a few other bits -Convention of the 24 (studio version from White Eagle) -Mojave Plan (studio version from White Eagle) -studio ending If you want a decent compilation with some rare tracks, this is a good box to get. It's tolerably priced if you can grab it for $30 off Amazon or CDNow. $54 is robbery. As long as you realize that 90% of what's labeled 'live' is not and the 'Perth 1982 concert' does not contain one nanosecond of the actual 1982 Perth concert. **I'm sure I've screwed up the Perth tracklisting again. Heiko will be along shortly to set me straight :) >From: ohmss76@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] What IS the I-Box? >Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:40:59 EST > >Since I was at Tower eyeballing this one AGAIN last night, it is probably >timely to ask everyone here is this worth my $54? > >I have 0 compilations of old albums, as it seems there are far too many, >and >how many times do you need to own excerpts of Stratosfear,Alpha Centauri >and >Zeit,etc,etc if you have the whole thng? It seems these collections always >just chop up previously released tracks with a few new ones,and who knows >where those come from! So is this worth it? >And how about Tangents, the Virgin box? Is that another case of 'buy 4 old >cd's and get one new one? I see there is a whole disc of new stuff there, >but >again are these just leftovers? Basically yes, 4 old CDs and 1 new one. And the tracks on that new disc are mostly forgettible except for the excerpted re-edited Silver Scale track. (Edgar has yet to release this wonderful 1981 theme untouched anywhere). Tangents is a nicely designed box with a good biography about TD. The actual music is all retouched snippets of 1974-1983 albums. This box is what coined the term 'Tangentization' which is a term that's stuck in describing all efforts by Edgar to modify/upgrade/retouch/edit/fluff/improve original concert tapes with strings and ethereal twinklings on his snazzy year 2000 equipment. The first 3 CDs are a compilation of their albums except for 'Logos Blue' and 'Phaedra 88' which are actually 2 very cool complete reworkings of those 2 familiar themes which premiered in 1986 at Tangerine Dream concerts and are STILL heard as recently as 1998 during TD concerts during the 'Vintage Set' half of the show where they recap various old TD themes. If you have Antique Dreams and i-Box then you have both Phaedra 88 and Logos 88 already. Disc 4 is entirely Soundtrack snippets (previously released). Disc 5 is the aforementioned 'unreleased tracks' disc. The only track of note is an edited down Silver Scale. One day, probably 15 years from now, when we're all listening to other artists, Edgar, Jerome, or some lawyer will put out the untouched 17 minute+ Silver Scale suite/track. At least Tangents has interesting graphic design on the box, and in the booklet and CDs. Dream Roots has lots of nice photos (too small tho!). i-Box looks like Photoshop and Kai's Power Tools exploded on a cardboard box. No graphic design whatsoever. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 10:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Eddy and Jerry's Top 5 Frank, If you must, put me down for: 1. Dream Mixes I (almost the whole thing) 2. TimeSquare (half) 3. Oasis (for 2 tracks) 4. 220 Volt (most of it) >From: 'Frank Arellano' >Okay, I thought I'd give you all an idea how things are shaping up so far >based on 27 qualified entries. Dan Oakley, I need your revised one. Morgan, >sorry, but your's was obviously disqualified _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 2:16 am Subject: Dream Roots box set - question Hey there all, just wanted to take a second to ask a quick question. I was in Best Buy yesterday, and saw A FIVE CD set of the Dream Roots Collection that really caught my eye. I'm only a fairly new TD fan, and have had some luck obtaining live material (although never as much as I'd LIKE, anyone interested in helping out, I'd DEFINATELY appreciate it if you could e-mail me off the list. I'm only able to provide Cds (2-1 swaps or what-not is ok with me, just whatever I can do). I DO have some live material of TD, but seems everyone on here always seems to already have it (GRIN) BUT going back to what I'd asked, Is this Dream Roots collection 5 Cd set worth it? I know nothing about that period of music, so thought I'd ask. AND for the price under $50 for all the 5 Cds, thought it was a heck of a deal. Anyone help out? Thanks. There were actually TWO box sets of this available, so it'll most likely be there. Also, another question. 'the best of Tangerine Dream' that I saw was a 2 Cd set, anyone have comments about this? thanks for the help. The folks on this list have always been GREAT about answering questions. It's much appreciated. dan Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address!

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26246 Re: Dream Roots box set - question Feldon Feldon Sat 3/3/2001 3 KB 26263 Re: Dream Roots box set - question C. Chambers Mon 3/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 11:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots box set - question >From: 'winnie the pooh' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Hey there all, just wanted to take a second to ask a quick question. I was >in Best Buy yesterday, and saw A FIVE CD set of the Dream Roots Collection >that really caught my eye. > >Is this Dream Roots collection 5 Cd set worth it? I know nothing about that >period of music, so thought I'd ask. AND for the price under $50 for all >the 5 Cds, thought it was a heck of a deal. The first CD is 1971-1973 albums remixed/remastered/Tangentized CDs 2-4 are 1984-1987 albums remixed/remastered/Tangentized plus the 1987 Tyger initial release-exclusive tracks (which were lost in the 1992 Tyger release) CD 5 is unreleased music. Valley of the Sun is the best track on here. As to whether $45 is worth it for 1 CD of unreleased 1985 music and 2 Tyger tracks is up to you. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26263 Re: Dream Roots box set - question C. Chambers Mon 3/5/2001 2 KB From: Victor Rek Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 1:26 am Subject: Update for Vic Rek's Homepage My webpage just changed today also. Please update your links and note my new e-mail address in the header. NEW web page for Vic Rek: http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/td_trade.htm Old was: http://idt.net/~torque19/td_trade.htm Also keep any eye out for the Okefenokee SwampPak 21 offer to be out soon and don't forget that the event start April 20, 2001 in Southern Georgia USA. Vic NEUMANN.H-J@t... wrote: > Hi all, > > NEW Name of my Tangerine Dream Fan-Homepage: please add this to your links (thank you): > > http://www.opticaldream.de > > the other Name is no more available. > > The New Homepage has was also updated at: 03.03.2001 > Please jump to: www.opticaldream.de > > Regards > Heiko > from Burg/Germany > > See you at London in May and Bernau/Berlin in October!!!! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26265 Re: Update for Vic Rek's Homepage Joe Shoults Mon 3/5/2001 2 KB 26280 Re: Update for Vic Rek's Homepage Victor Rek Tue 3/6/2001 2 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 11:18 am Subject: Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums After seeing Zoning get 0 points so far... I just has to put my 5 in. 1) Zoning 2) Goblin's Club 3) Dream Mixes I 4) What A Blast 5) 220Volt Regards Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26249 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Richard Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB 26250 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Gary Jenkins Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB From: Richard Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 12:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In message <004301c0a49d$3ae6d140$3c9801d4@s...>, Lawry Simm writes >After seeing Zoning get 0 points so far... I just has to put my 5 in. > >1) Zoning >2) Goblin's Club >3) Dream Mixes I >4) What A Blast >5) 220Volt > >Regards >Lawry I have to agree with Zoning. One of the best things to be released in recent years. Proves it can still be done. - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOqIwUDBWmWbUzpzAEQKW1ACg5ikc2znc2rz4vN8LH7Lb9wmt4bwAoJH4 mB/ApH8ZMk4IOxQVCPv44ID/ =ea21 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26250 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Gary Jenkins Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 12:19 pm Subject: Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums --- In tadream@y..., Richard wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > In message <004301c0a49d$3ae6d140$3c9801d4@s...>, Lawry Simm > writes > >After seeing Zoning get 0 points so far... I just has to put my 5 in. > > > >1) Zoning > >2) Goblin's Club > >3) Dream Mixes I > >4) What A Blast > >5) 220Volt > > > >Regards > >Lawry > > Only just got Zoning after first play quite impressed after a few more maybe it could have made it into my top 5. Gary. > > - -- > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 > > iQA/AwUBOqIwUDBWmWbUzpzAEQKW1ACg5ikc2znc2rz4vN8LH7Lb9wmt4bwAoJH4 > mB/ApH8ZMk4IOxQVCPv44ID/ > =ea21 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 12:22 pm Subject: Vinyl ? Hi everyone and a query regarding vinyl electronica. Does anyone still yearn after long deleted vinyl albums. The reason I ask is that I am thinking of getting rid of the remains of my vinyl collection being as... a. I never play them any more. b. I have to keep finding places to put them. I will be looking to trade for CD's of material I either a. I haven't got b. I'd like to get on CD c. 'Live' material that I don't have If I get a positive feedback I'll put together a list of available stuff for those who may be interested ( includes T.Dream vinyl ). What do group members think is a fair trade ? Bear in mind also that I'm in the UK and postage to other countries may be on the expensive side. Thanks and ATB Phil NP Matthias Thurow 'Cornucopia' ( Erdenklang CD from 1987 ) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26254 Re: Vinyl ? Feldon Feldon Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 11:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection box set The first 4 CDs are previously released material, remixed, edited, and otherwise Tangentized. The tangentizations on disc 1 aren't bad, the other 3 discs are a mixed bag. Also, a few of the tracks from the long-out-of-print 1987 version of Tyger (which has several differences) appear here. Disc 5 is unreleased music from 1985 by Edgar and Chris. -Morgan >From: 'winnie the pooh' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: 'TaDreamList' >Subject: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection box set >Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:09:38 -0500 > >Hey there all, just wanted to pop a quick note here. I'd posted earlier, >but don't know if the post went through. IF SO, apologies for a repeat, if >not, here's the post :) > >I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection in Best Buy for under $50 for >all 5 Cds. WHAT exactly is this? the way the box set is packaged up, you >cannot view or see a track listing, so I thought I'd ask here, as everyone >has always been wonderful about helping out. >Anyone? thanks. At the same time, I'm still trying to obtain more live >recordings of TD material, and everytime I seem to get into something of a >swap details, everyone already has everything I DO of live material. Anyone >interested in 2-1 swaps, etc for blanks, please e-mail me off the list. AND >same goes with the information about Dream Roots. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Lord Rayden' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 4:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's > > Ano, ano mysle wiec jestem :) MYSLIWYM ! (ze zlotych mysli Raydena) :) Rayden > > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. Millennium > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > my Top Five: > > > > > > 1. The Seven Letters of Tibet > > > 2. 220 Volt > > > 3. Tournado > > > 4. Transsiberia > > > 5. Mars Polaris > > > > > > Pozdrawiam > > > > > > Piotr S. Millennium > > > > Bardzo wywazone i rozsadne propozycje. No i DM nieobecne - chwali sie. > > > > Rayden (z nasluchu) > > > > P.S. J23 znowu nadaje ! > > > -------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A--------------------- > Szukasz wiedzy? 85 tysiecy uaktualnianych ciagle hasel. > Encyklopedia Internautica: http://encyklopedia.interia.pl/ > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to > join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the > distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A--------------------- Szukasz wiedzy? 85 tysiecy uaktualnianych ciagle hasel. Encyklopedia Internautica: http://encyklopedia.interia.pl/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 4:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Vinyl ? There is always continued and renewed interest in vinyl. I can't wait for the home vinyl recording units to come out. They'll probably cost $1,000 at first, but vinyl is for enthusiasts anyway. (And yes, there really is one coming out!) -Morgan >From: 'Phil White' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Vinyl ? >Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:22:31 -0000 > >Hi everyone and a query regarding vinyl electronica. > >Does anyone still yearn after long deleted vinyl albums. >The reason I ask is that I am thinking of getting rid of the >remains of my vinyl collection being as... >a. I never play them any more. >b. I have to keep finding places to put them. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 5:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mark Coyle is this the same Mark Coyle as in the 'Wyrd Folk Tapes'? welcome to the list regardless. tom -- On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:41:21 Mark Coyle wrote: >Hi all, Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26256 Re: Mark Coyle Mark Coyle Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB 26258 Re: Mark Coyle tom george Sun 3/4/2001 3 KB 26259 Re: Mark Coyle tom george Sun 3/4/2001 5 KB From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 5:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mark Coyle Hi > is this the same Mark Coyle as in the 'Wyrd Folk Tapes'? welcome to the list regardless. > tom Hi Tom, yes indeed it is. What a small eclectic world it is!! I had been wondering why your name was so familar! cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 9:46 pm Subject: Help with Winamp Anyone? Hey there all, sorry to have to send this online. I have Real Audio as my default mp3 file player, and was told about SHOUTCAST which is supposed to be a totally awesome player through winamp, however, the problem is, I cannot change it where Winamp and the plug-ins are my default player. Real Audio keeps popping up, AND I even went as far as DELETING this shitty program, but then it tells me on my PC 'realplay.exe not found' so that means I have to literally HAVE the Real Audio on my PC> Any way I can change this, where it will ONLY WORK on winamp? AND Winamp is the only thing that will pop up? thanks for any help, and let me know how I can REMOVE this REal Audio crap. It stinks, and I want winamp to be my default Mp3 player, but have no clue HOW to change this where it works, and REal Audio won't show up. e-mail me off the list. much appreciated. dan Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address!

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26266 Re: Help with Winamp Anyone? Joe Shoults Mon 3/5/2001 2 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 10:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mark Coyle ha ha...great to see your musical tastes are infinite. there are a few more posts here then over at Bruton, but this way you get more musical bang for your buck. speaking of musical bang are #4 and #5 ready yet? well take care and look forward to your posts on both lists. tom -- On Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:54:51 Mark Coyle wrote: >Hi > >> is this the same Mark Coyle as in the 'Wyrd Folk Tapes'? welcome to the list >regardless. >> tom > >Hi Tom, yes indeed it is. What a small eclectic world it is!! I had been wondering >why your name was so familar! >cheers >Mark > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 11:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mark Coyle correction...i meant to say #5 and #6. np-Lords of Acid-'Farstucker' man what an aural treat this is. these people are masters of sounds and the studio. sorry for the no TD content. oh wait here is some TD content. for all the members in Germany you might want to get the Marz 2001 catalog from JPC courier. it has a large page and a half advert for TD with the title 'The Ultimate Tangerine Dream Collection' and it shows all the albums from 'Ambient Monkeys' up to 'GWOC' (no 7 letters) including the older ones with new covers such as: '220 Volt' 'Rockoon' 'TOB' 'Oasis' and 'CD'. there is a paragraph of text under each cd but in German. tom -- On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 17:30:18 tom george wrote: > ha ha...great to see your musical tastes are infinite. >there are a few more posts here then over at Bruton, but this way you get more musical bang for your buck. >speaking of musical bang are #4 and #5 ready yet? well >take care and look forward to your posts on both lists. >tom >-- > >On Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:54:51 > Mark Coyle wrote: >>Hi >> >>> is this the same Mark Coyle as in the 'Wyrd Folk Tapes'? welcome to the list >>regardless. >>> tom >> >>Hi Tom, yes indeed it is. What a small eclectic world it is!! I had been wondering >>why your name was so familar! >>cheers >>Mark >> >> > >>_________________________________________________________ > >>Do You Yahoo!? > >>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > >> >>---------------------------------------------------~-~ >>Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: >>As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: >> >>As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: >> >>PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >>Website: http://www.tadream.net >>----------------------------------------------------_- >> >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> > > >Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. >FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 11:44 pm Subject: More about vinyl Hi all, Further to my earlier posting regarding vinyl disposal.... I now have produced a list for anyone who wishes to express an interest in same ? There are 104 titles in all including 17 Tangerine Dream items ( mainly movie soundtracks ). Also 8 Schulze recordings including 'x' and 'Audentity' For any other details regarding condition please e-mail me off list and I will be pleased to mail you a full list of available titles. I only have one of each and when they are gone they are gone ! ATB Phil NP Terra Firma 'Turtle Crossing' From: Aeonblue@a... 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ID Date Size 26307 Re: aiwa cdr for 275$ at crutchfield Feldon Feldon Wed 3/7/2001 4 KB From: wyslannik@y... Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 12:47 pm Subject: Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > Hi all, > > The number of messages from people who say they are going to Shepherd's Bush > on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if you're > going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > [cut] > Paul Hi! I'm another guy, who wants to go to Sheperd's Bush TD concert. About me (in a few words): My name is Jakub, I'm a fan from Poland, member of Polish TD mailgroup nince 1999, nowadays I live in Brighton, UK. I'd like to contact on priv with someone of you from UK, who are going to Shepherd's Bush to get some details. Sorry, I have no possibilities and no time to read messages on tadream e-group, so could you, please, contact me on wyslannik@y... Best regards (special for Polish fans on this e-group :) ) Polaris [http://mp3.com/Jakub-Polaris] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26267 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Matthew Stringer Mon 3/5/2001 3 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 5:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Dream Roots box set - question > > The first CD is 1971-1973 albums remixed/remastered/Tangentized > CDs 2-4 are 1984-1987 albums remixed/remastered/Tangentized > plus the 1987 Tyger initial release-exclusive tracks > (which were lost in the 1992 Tyger release) What was different about the Tyger release? I have the original Vinyl and CD. Something was dropped or changed from these to the later releases? Thanks for any info. Craig From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 2:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] FS: Blank Cassettes hey ken- I didn't understand. you mean you have blank cassette tapes to trade?? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Beal [mailto:kwb10@c...] > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:04 PM > To: tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com > Cc: tadream@yahoogroups.com; spacemusic@egroups.com; > ElectronicMusic@yahoogroups.com; beyond_em@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] FS: Blank Cassettes > > > Howdy All... > > Sorry to bother you, but have been cleaning closets and found > the following: > > 17 Maxell XLII 90 Cassettes > 2 Maxell XLII 100 Cassettes > 1 Maxell XLII 60 Cassette > 1 TDK MA90 Cassette > > All are still sealed in their original packaging. > > I will be taking offers for these for the next 3 or 4 days. I am > willing to consider talking about 'Private Label' Tangerine Dream > related items as barter. > > > Thanks for listening...and please respond off list... > > Ken > > ********************************************** > The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' > So I bought a Macintosh. > ********************************************** > To avoid disappointment, lower expectations. > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various > Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost > too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included > in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me a s BRANCH my address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 2:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Update for Vic Rek's Homepage not much discussion so far about Okefenokee - right around the corner, but the info from last year is still at http://www.tadream.net if you need it. I'll update it with the SwampPak 21 info when Vic sends it... wish I could go this year. > -----Original Message----- > From: Victor Rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] ... > > Also keep any eye out for the Okefenokee SwampPak 21 offer to > be out soon and don't forget that the event start April 20, > 2001 in Southern Georgia USA. > From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 3:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Help with Winamp Anyone? Open Winamp. Hit CTRL-P on your computer keyboard. Under Setup > Filetypes, click 'Select All'. Close. Reboot. > -----Original Message----- > From: winnie the pooh [mailto:winniethepoohfan1@m...] ... > through winamp, however, the problem is, I cannot change it > where Winamp and the plug-ins are my default player. Real From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 4:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush I'm going, I've been away for the last two weeks and have an lot of work to do as a result. Apologies for people stuck in my tree, I'll contact soon Matt On Monday 05 March 2001 12:47, you wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > The number of messages from people who say they are going to > > Shepherd's Bush > > > on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if > > you're > > > going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > > [cut] > > > Paul > > Hi! > > I'm another guy, who wants to go to Sheperd's Bush TD concert. > About me (in a few words): My name is Jakub, I'm a fan from Poland, > member of Polish TD mailgroup nince 1999, nowadays I live in Brighton, > UK. > I'd like to contact on priv with someone of you from UK, who are going > to Shepherd's Bush to get some details. Sorry, I have no possibilities > and no time to read messages on tadream e-group, so could you, please, > contact me on wyslannik@y... > > Best regards (special for Polish fans on this e-group :) ) > Polaris > [http://mp3.com/Jakub-Polaris] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH > (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH >my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my > address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 5:45 pm Subject: Dream Mixes site open TDI's 'Dream Mixes' page is now online, and it provides info about the upcoming DM3, subtitled 'The Past Hundred Moons': http://www.dream-mixes.de/ The site is filled with the kind self-congratulatory prose that I've come to expect from TDI, such as 'the success of 'Dream Mixes I' proved that the group could easily compete in today's club culture.' Yeah, whatever. I hear it played in the clubs all the time, don't you? Anyway, here's the track listing: 01. Prime Time 02. Astrophobia (Red Supernova Remix) 03. Stereolight 04. Diamonds and Dust 05. Blue Spears 06. Meng Tian (Smart Machine Remix) 07. Girl on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus 2001) 08. The spirit of the Czar 09. The Comfort Zone The site also provides an MP3 of the Meng Tien remix...and frankly, I hope the rest of the album is a cut above this one. Whereas the first Dream Mixes gave their sound a refreshing kick in the ass, moving things forward - this could be just another track from Mars Polaris. After a sort of interesting and atmospheric intro, it jumps right in with mediocre percussion; a weak, repetitive melody; and uninteresting sound design. But hey, maybe I'm just in a negative mood. What do the rest of you think? -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26271 Re: Dream Mixes site open Feldon Feldon Mon 3/5/2001 3 KB 26279 Re: Dream Mixes site open Gabe Yedid Tue 3/6/2001 4 KB 26283 Re: Dream Mixes site open glynn_naughton@h... Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB 26289 Re: Dream Mixes site open j.gordon Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB From: horrod6 Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 7:06 pm Subject: Re: SBE An addition to the list of people who'll be going - Dave (my husband the ex-C&W fan) will also be there: it is _his_ birthday treat, after all! We'll be travelling from Edinburgh, probably by cheap flight early on Saturday morning, if anybody wants to link up. I'm looking forward to meeting some of you. LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27204 SBE Heiko Heerssen Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27206 Re: SBE wyslannik@y... Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27205 Re: SBE Heiko Heerssen Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27207 Re: SBE Heiko Heerssen Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 28441 Re: SBE horrod6 Sun 8/12/2001 3 KB 28459 Re: SBE David Foster Mon 8/13/2001 3 KB 33014 SBE fozziebear Wed 3/27/2002 2 KB 33037 Re: SBE Heiko Heerssen Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 7:06 pm Subject: DM 3 Hi re. DM 3 site downloaded Meng Tian mix quite like this good to boogy too should get us going at SBE, bit worrying they have put the date for the gig on 13/05/01 when the rest of us will be turning up on the 12th. Cheers Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26363 DM 3 Gustavo Jobim Sat 3/10/2001 3 KB 26364 Re: DM 3 Greg Sat 3/10/2001 4 KB 26371 Re: DM 3 Sean Montgomery Sat 3/10/2001 5 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Mixes site open >From: Sean Montgomery >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:45:10 -0500 > >TDI's 'Dream Mixes' page is now online, and it provides info about the >upcoming DM3, subtitled 'The Past Hundred Moons': > >http://www.dream-mixes.de/ > >Anyway, here's the track listing: > >01. Prime Time >02. Astrophobia (Red Supernova Remix)* >03. Stereolight* >04. Diamonds and Dust* >05. Blue Spears >06. Meng Tian (Smart Machine Remix)* >07. Girl on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus 2001)* >08. The spirit of the Czar* >09. The Comfort Zone > >The site also provides an MP3 of the Meng Tien remix...and frankly, I >hope the rest of the album is a cut above this one. Whereas the first >Dream Mixes gave their sound a refreshing kick in the ass, moving things >forward - this could be just another track from Mars Polaris. After a >sort of interesting and atmospheric intro, it jumps right in with >mediocre percussion; a weak, repetitive melody; and uninteresting sound >design. But hey, maybe I'm just in a negative mood. What do the rest >of you think? I agree completely. It's like another Mars Polaris track. The first 40 seconds had great promise and I was really hoping for a lot. But then, well, you can imagine the rest. Hear it for yourself. I have to give Tangerine Dream points for not giving us a crippled, super-compressed preview mp3, but in fact the full 8 1/2 minute track at decent mp3 quality so we can really have a good listen and judge for ourselves. A lot of trust involved there. Note that Dream Mixes 3 contains all 6 of the Ground Liftaz 12' vinyl singles. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 5:57 pm Subject: Ed and Jerry's top 5 In order: 220 Volt Oasis DD Bonus Timesquare Quinoa (ext) From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 7:03 pm Subject: TDI Side update: 05. March 2001 Hi all, the TDI Web - Side was updated at 05. March 2001 www.tdi-music-mall.de and a NEW Tangerine Dream Web - Side was born: www.dreammixes.de or www.dreammixes.com both are available and both are the same . Dream on heiko Burg/Germany www.opticaldream.de (update: 03.03.2001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 6:04 pm Subject: FW: Ed and Jerry's top 5 Please change number 5 from Quinoa to Goblin's Club for me. > -----Original Message----- > > 220 Volt > Oasis > DD Bonus > Timesquare > Quinoa (ext) From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 6:28 pm Subject: Dream Mixes 3 Hi all, I just noticed that the 'Dream Mixes' wesite is up at: www.dreammixes.com Available is the tracklist for Dream Mixes 3 as well as a FULL LENGTH mp3 of the remix of Meng Tien from the disc. Tracklist is: 01. Prime Time 02. Astrophobia (Red Supernova Remix) 03. Stereolight 04. Diamonds and Dust 05. Blue Spears 06. Meng Tian (Smart Machine Remix) 07. Girl on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus 2001) 08. The spirit of the Czar 09. The comfort Zone James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26282 Re: Dream Mixes 3 Heiko Heerssen Tue 3/6/2001 2 KB 26305 Re: Dream Mixes 3 Frank Arellano Wed 3/7/2001 3 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 9:11 pm Subject: TD @ Shepherds Bush group created Hello there, As there are now a sizeable number of people going to the show in May, I've created a group called shepherdsbush2001. The idea is that we use this for all the boring practical stuff (accommodation/travel questions, pre/post-show get-together arrangements etc.) that is creating a lot of noise on tadream, and which I'm sure the majority of members have absolutely no interest in. I'll try and post some useful stuff there myself, seeing that as far as I'm aware I'm the only London resident who is going to the show. Bear in mind, though, that I'm in the middle of preparations for a move to Paris and don't have too much spare time at present. Just an experiment. I can always kill the group if it doesn't work out. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26277 Re: TD @ Shepherds Bush group created Joe Shoults Mon 3/5/2001 3 KB 26281 Re: TD @ Shepherds Bush group created glynn_naughton@h... Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 9:45 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD @ Shepherds Bush group created FWIW, I don't look at it as 'noise' at all. I'm thrilled that you can all gather here to make plans to gather in person. That's what the list about, pretty much. continue here on-list, or take it to a new list- whatever you're comfortable with. It's not like this happens veryoften anyway. If people are 'upset' about it, they can just go loosen their panties a little. ;-) BTW: What is the name and address of the bar where everybody's meeting again? Did you contact the bar? Are there any details that people should know about? reply and I'll post some info on tadream.net for our European site visitors to view. nd aAs I mentioned before, any new Okefenokee info/planning is welcome here, too. The date is sneaking up on us, and has been overshadowed a bit by other news, but this is still happening, AFAIK. Joes > -----Original Message----- > From: glynn_naughton@h... [mailto:glynn_naughton@h...] > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 4:11 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TD @ Shepherds Bush group created > > > Hello there, > > As there are now a sizeable number of people going to the show in > May, I've created a group called shepherdsbush2001. The idea is that > we use this for all the boring practical stuff (accommodation/travel > questions, pre/post-show get-together arrangements etc.) that is > creating a lot of noise on tadream, and which I'm sure the majority > of members have absolutely no interest in. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26281 Re: TD @ Shepherds Bush group created glynn_naughton@h... Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 11:19 pm Subject: Fwd: [Dominion] Re: the after lifes mailing list Hi The following appeared on The Sisters of Mercy list today. I believe the TD track is usually 'Fly & Collision of Cosmos Sola' from Alpha Centauri. Of course, when I saw them last in Glasgow they played something very different! Brian ---------------------------- From: 'Stuart Czuba' To: 'Dominion' Subject: [Dominion] Re: the after lifes mailing list Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 14:37:18 -0000 List-Id: Sisters mailing list X-BeenThere: dominion@t... Why do 600 people need to know about the settings of other peoples Mail software? And why would someone think the other 599 care enough to tell them? And while I'm here, the intro tape each night ran something like T Rex, Status Quo, a couple of Mark E Smith techno numbers and then the Tangerine Dream number started slowly drifting in and out of a slow accoustic based song with a guy singing in German (anyone know what this is?) before the Shirelles and flute/drums from TD. Tin Star are a far better support band than Paradise Lost. Stu _______________________________________________ Dominion mailing list Dominion@t... http://toybox.twisted.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dominion _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: Gabe Yedid Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 4:33 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Dream Mixes site open >===== Original Message From Sean Montgomery ===== >TDI's 'Dream Mixes' page is now online, and it provides info about the >upcoming DM3, subtitled 'The Past Hundred Moons': > >http://www.dream-mixes.de/ > >The site is filled with the kind self-congratulatory prose that I've >come to expect from TDI, such as 'the success of 'Dream Mixes I' proved >that the group could easily compete in today's club culture.' >Yeah, whatever. I hear it played in the clubs all the time, don't you? Well, at the time of DM I's release, there was at least a small grain (salt size? ;) of truth to this statement. I've stated at least twice on the list--and which you agreed with!--that 'Rough Embrace' could have made a good competitor for Robert Miles' 'Children' (although that was, admittedly, more a radio-friendly Eurodance-pop tune than serious club music), and, in 1995, might well have worked in large, commercial dance clubs. I would have to concur, however, that subsequent albums (including DM II) failed to keep pace and deliver on the promise of DM I. In fact, it might be worth debating as to whether or not DM I's success hurt the band later, since the more techno-ified style featured on the album would become a staple of subsequent albums, wearing it out faster than might otherwise have been the case. >The site also provides an MP3 of the Meng Tien remix...and frankly, I >hope the rest of the album is a cut above this one. Whereas the first >Dream Mixes gave their sound a refreshing kick in the ass, moving things >forward - this could be just another track from Mars Polaris. It's hard to put a lot of fancy improvements over a weak foundation that won't hold them. Personally, I never understood why 'Meng Tian' garnered the strong favourable reaction it did, and I really think that Jerome could have made a better choice than this one--aside from its strong bass line, this track leaves me pretty cold. It just sort of gets up and does what it does but never really seems to get going (or go anywhere interesting). It had nothing to do with it sounding dated; good old stuff is still good (as so many fans of classic TD love pointing out over and over...) If it's not a good remix, it's because it was a weak track to begin with. Certainly not the best online preview for the album, especially given that it contains both one of TD's bona fide (IMO) hits in 'Astrophobia', and reconstructions of 70s and 80s material. >design. But hey, maybe I'm just in a negative mood. Maybe I shouldn't point this out, but that seems to be a habit of yours lately. ;) >SEAN MONTGOMERY Gabe ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Victor Rek Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 4:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Update for Vic Rek's Homepage I wish I had extra time to make a nice Okefenokee web-page to let all the fans enjoy (maybe after Oke 2001 where we expect around 20 people). My web page ( http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/td_trade.htm ) has a link to Marcel's page that gives more info on the event. I'm preparing my SwampPak 21 offer for Oke-2001 this week. I'll post it here along with info about the upcoming event. Vic > not much discussion so far about Okefenokee - right around the corner, but > the info from last year is still at http://www.tadream.net if you need it. > I'll update it with the SwampPak 21 info when Vic sends it... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 7:53 am Subject: Re: TD @ Shepherds Bush group created OK, I'll bin it. However, no complaining is allowed when, nearer the time, the list starts to fill up with dozens of 'Re: Shepherds Bush meeting'-type messages :-) Glynn --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > FWIW, I don't look at it as 'noise' at all. I'm thrilled that you can all > gather here to make plans to gather in person. That's what the list about, > pretty much. continue here on-list, or take it to a new list- whatever > you're comfortable with. It's not like this happens veryoften anyway. If > people are 'upset' about it, they can just go loosen their panties a little. > ;-) > > BTW: What is the name and address of the bar where everybody's meeting > again? Did you contact the bar? Are there any details that people should > know about? reply and I'll post some info on tadream.net for our European > site visitors to view. > > nd aAs I mentioned before, any new Okefenokee info/planning is welcome here, > too. The date is sneaking up on us, and has been overshadowed a bit by > other news, but this is still happening, AFAIK. > > Joes > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: glynn_naughton@h... [mailto:glynn_naughton@h...] > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 4:11 PM > > To: tadream@y... > > Subject: [tadream] TD @ Shepherds Bush group created > > > > > > Hello there, > > > > As there are now a sizeable number of people going to the show in > > May, I've created a group called shepherdsbush2001. The idea is that > > we use this for all the boring practical stuff (accommodation/travel > > questions, pre/post-show get-together arrangements etc.) that is > > creating a lot of noise on tadream, and which I'm sure the majority > > of members have absolutely no interest in. > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 7:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Mixes 3 'Owens, James' schrieb: > Tracklist is: > 01. Prime Time > 02. Astrophobia (Red Supernova Remix) > 03. Stereolight > 04. Diamonds and Dust > 05. Blue Spears > 06. Meng Tian (Smart Machine Remix) > 07. Girl on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus 2001) > 08. The spirit of the Czar > 09. The comfort Zone So there are only 3 as yet unreleased tracks on this CD (Prime time, Blue spears & The comfort zone), the rest you can find on the Dream mixes 3 pre-release vinyls which were released 4 months ago...a bit disappointing if you'd ask me :-( Heiko From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 8:06 am Subject: Re: Dream Mixes site open >From: Sean Montgomery >Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 5:45pm >Subject: Dream Mixes site open > > >TDI's 'Dream Mixes' page is now online, and it provides info about >the upcoming DM3, subtitled 'The Past Hundred Moons': > >http://www.dream-mixes.de/ > >The site is filled with the kind self-congratulatory prose that I've >come to expect from TDI, such as 'the success of 'Dream Mixes I' >proved >that the group could easily compete in today's club culture.' Yeah, >whatever. I hear it played in the clubs all the time, don't you? Be fair - it's called advertising, and would still have been there if TD did not have their own label. Take a look at some of the flowery promotional stuff written about them by Miramar or indeed Virgin. In my last job, I once suggested that we take a new approach to promoting the company, and instead of the usual claptrap, we should simply say something along the lines of 'We're a small software development consultancy which is just like every other small consultancy, so use us if you want, but use someone else if it's more convenient.' I got an incredulous stare from the marketing manager... Glynn From: gmroger@p... Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 1:51 pm Subject: Re: Eddy & Jerry Hi again everyone. I just thought I'd add a few more comments to the subject, but bare in mind I haven't received for some reason digests Nos 813 & 814, and I'd rather not go through Yahoo! groups as it takes an eternity to open up, so I have one or two favours to ask. So far, from the information I have received, I've managed to collate votes from the following: Myself, Bert Hulshoff Heiko Heerssen Peter Ravn J. Gordon Rolf Elfstrom Utch Entel Brian Stewart Sean Montgomery Steven Feldman Gary Jenkins Joe Shoults James E. Jacoby Uwe Heiko Neumann Daniel Hobrecht Bob (pw098) Poul Erik Piotr S. Millenium Frank Arellano Morgan Lawry Simm With the kind exception of those whose lists featured in Digest 814 and were repeated in Digest 815, I don't know the votes cast by those who did so in digests 813 & 814. (And I assume my other comments were featured in Digest 813), so Frank, as the co- collator of this chart, can you forward me those whose lists I haven't yet received? As yet I haven't had Digest 817 posted. I'd like to add my comments to Zoning - I think this is a seriously underestimated album, and had my list extended to the Top 10, I think it would have featured at either 6 or 7. Indeed, my other choices for 6-10 would have been Goblins Club, Turn of the Tides, 220 Volt and What A Blast! Now the albums I didn't feature in my original list - Hopefully you read my comments regards Jim & Pablo and the CD given with the Millenium Pack (if they were published in one of those missing digests), but as regards Dream Encores - this is effectively a compilation, and certainly not all the tracks are Eddy & Jerry. This also goes for Tang-go - although the vast majority are E & J, some are not - and they all come from existing albums anyway (or the Dream Dice EP). Now we know DM 3 is not released until May (presumably to coincide with the London concert), I suggest we let this one run until the end of March. Okay, I think that's it. 35 of you voted for the best TD album last time around - there's now over 400 of you out there. Where the hell are you all? Let us all know what your favourite Eddy & Jerry albums are! Roger Hartopp -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26288 Re: Eddy & Jerry Joe Shoults Tue 3/6/2001 2 KB 26362 Re: Eddy & Jerry Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB 26295 Re: Eddy & Jerry ohmss76@a... Tue 3/6/2001 2 KB From: gmroger@p... Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 2:05 pm Subject: Re: Sony Center disc 'Matt, Dream Encore and Sony Center aren't on Roger's list either.' Isn't the extra CD given with the Millenium booster the 'Sony center' disc? Roger Hartopp -- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 2:49 pm Subject: Poll results for tadream The following tadream poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: The Weekly Studio/Soundtrack Album Discussions are winding down to a close. Some have suggested continuing with weekly Bootleg discussions; some have suggested covering the Solo works of the artists. Let us know what you would prefer in this poll. Discussions will follow a chronological format either way. CHOICES AND RESULTS - discuss Boots/fan CDRs, 15 votes, 32.61% - discuss Solo works, 21 votes, 45.65% - discuss neither, 1 votes, 2.17% - discuss both simultaneously, 9 votes, 19.57% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 36385 Poll results for tadream tadream@yahoogroups.com Sat 9/28/2002 2 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 2:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush I`m going as well but I dont see my name on any list . Have I been banned for being a cheeky TD rip off merchant :) Paul ps . How will i know who everybody is in the pub ? http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Stringer To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush > I'm going, I've been away for the last two weeks and have an lot of work to > do as a result. > > Apologies for people stuck in my tree, I'll contact soon > > Matt > > On Monday 05 March 2001 12:47, you wrote: > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > The number of messages from people who say they are going to > > > > Shepherd's Bush > > > > > on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if > > > > you're > > > > > going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > > > > [cut] > > > > > Paul > > > > Hi! > > > > I'm another guy, who wants to go to Sheperd's Bush TD concert. > > About me (in a few words): My name is Jakub, I'm a fan from Poland, > > member of Polish TD mailgroup nince 1999, nowadays I live in Brighton, > > UK. > > I'd like to contact on priv with someone of you from UK, who are going > > to Shepherd's Bush to get some details. Sorry, I have no possibilities > > and no time to read messages on tadream e-group, so could you, please, > > contact me on wyslannik@y... > > > > Best regards (special for Polish fans on this e-group :) ) > > Polaris > > [http://mp3.com/Jakub-Polaris] > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH > > (can burn copies), click here: > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH > >my address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my > > address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 2:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Eddy & Jerry You know Roger, you could run this as a poll on yahoogroups if you want to at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/polls it will track, graph and permanently store the results. Perhaps a bit easier than tracking results yourself. in fact, the polling section is open to anyone. if you want to run a poll yourself, just go there and create it. I just closed the poll that I forgot was running: 'should we discuss bootlegs or solo works now that the weekly album discussions are finished?'. note that it is not HTML-friendly, like it used to be back when it was onelist.com. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: gmroger@p... [mailto:gmroger@p...] ... > Okay, I think that's it. 35 of you voted for the best TD album last > time around - there's now over 400 of you out there. Where the hell > are you all? Let us all know what your favourite Eddy & Jerry > albums are! > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26362 Re: Eddy & Jerry Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 3:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Mixes site open > The site also provides an MP3 of the Meng Tien remix...and frankly, I > hope the rest of the album is a cut above this one. Whereas the first > Dream Mixes gave their sound a refreshing kick in the ass, moving things > forward - this could be just another track from Mars Polaris. After a > sort of interesting and atmospheric intro, it jumps right in with > mediocre percussion; a weak, repetitive melody; and uninteresting sound > design. But hey, maybe I'm just in a negative mood. What do the rest > of you think? i would have to agree, on all counts... it sounds like a track that never made it onto MP, this being due to the fact that they use many of the same voices... agreed with Morgan that the first 40 seconds (and would have to add another 6 or 7 seconds to cover the transition) was ripe with promise that never pans out... *sigh*... with the catalog of pieces to choose from, both to remix and to have as being the promo tune, this does not seem to be the best choice, from my perspective... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 6:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush lawlermusic wrote: > > I`m going as well but I dont see my name on any list . > Have I been banned for being a cheeky TD rip off merchant :) Quite the contrary! On the list posted by David Foster, you are referred as THE musician :-) Antonio Nunes From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 6:54 pm Subject: Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people sat in the corner lol. Cheers Gary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26294 Re: Re.People going to Shepherds Bush lawlermusic Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB 26298 Re: Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Brian Stewart Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 6:33 pm Subject: [tadream] The best TD sound ever Hi all, The following article in the March 2001 issue (number 259) of Record Collector has come to my attention and thought you'd be interested... **** RING THAT BELL As the battle to supersede CD hots up between exponents of Super Audio CD (SACD) and DVD Audio (DVDA), Virgin plan to issue around two-dozen classic albums as stereo SACDs over the coming year. In addition, they've collaborated with Philips/Sony to produce SACDs that feature not only CD remastered stereo and SACD stereo versions of an album, but also a multi-channel version based on original quadrophonic tape sources. The first such release is the 10-million-selling 1973 MIKE OLDFIELD album, 'Tubular Bells', which those who've heard it say is stunning. It's accompanied by a new booklet with revised artwork, sleevenotes by the original producer and surround mixer, and card inserts. 'Tubular Bells' may be followed by other issues from Oldfield's early quadrophonically-recorded catalogue, along with albums by TANGERINE DREAM. Virgin are also not ruling out DVDA releases in the future, although none have yet been commercially released in the UK. Other labels releasing SACDs this year include Chesky, the Italian audiophile specialists Fone, Turtle, Groove Note, Opus 3, Audioquest and Sony itself, which has already released several classic titles such as Jeff Beck's 'Blow By Blow', Carole King's 'Tapestry' and Celine Dion's 'All The Way', as well as sets from Mariah Carey, Bob Dylan and Ricky Martin. These and other SACDs can be acquired from: Vivante, Unit 4, 60 High Street, Hampton Wick, Surrey KT1 4DB; fax: 020 8977 4445; sales@v... (Before we replaced our vinyls with CDs, now we'll have to replace our CDs with SACDs :-)) Paul From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 6:58 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Middle aged people wearing an impressive array of TD/Ramones/Motorhead (possibly) t-shirts, ex fan-club badges and if Conrad has anything to do with it, name badges (God forbid!) :-) ---------- >De : 'Gary Jenkins' >Ŕ : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush >Date : Mar 6 mars 2001 19:54 > > Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have > any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people > sat in the corner lol. > Cheers Gary > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26321 Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Paul Fellows Wed 3/7/2001 4 KB 26329 Re: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds B Joe Shoults Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB 26338 Re: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds B Brian Stewart Thu 3/8/2001 4 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 7:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Jenkins To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush > Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have > any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people > sat in the corner lol. > Cheers Gary > I stand corrected . So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: ohmss76@a... Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Eddy & Jerry Ok Roger:) I give....here's my five! 220 Volt - that guitar work on Hamlet is just killer!!! Rockoon Turn of the Tides Goblin's Club The Hollywood Years Vol. 1 - enough decent cues on there to keep me happy:) All the best, SeanA From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush For the record I think that was on someone else's list. I haven't been compiling one. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Antonio Nunes To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush > > > lawlermusic wrote: > > > > I`m going as well but I dont see my name on any list . > > Have I been banned for being a cheeky TD rip off merchant :) > > Quite the contrary! On the list posted by David Foster, you are referred > as THE musician :-) > > Antonio Nunes > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 9:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush David Foster wrote: > > For the record I think that was on someone else's list. I haven't been > compiling one. You're right, sorry. BTW, even if I'll not go to Shepherd's Bush, the messages about this subject don't upset me at all, and I'm looking forward to reading the messages after the show. Antonio Nunes From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 11:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Hi Hope not! It is a long time since I've been out in London & Steve and I are out to enjoy ourselves! Just so long as we are in a fit state to pour ourselves on to the plane home at 19:00 on Sunday! How about one of the artistic list members designing a discrete image that can be printed out and made into a pin-badge? Most craft/DIY/art/toy shops stock blank badges that you can stick an image to. I think that wearing my 'historic' (ie clapped-out) original Motorhead t-shirt might get me arrested! Best wishes Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Jenkins To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush >Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have >any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people >sat in the corner lol. >Cheers Gary > I stand corrected . So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Miles MacMillan' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 5:28 am Subject: Soungmill Navigator Hi folks, Brand new to the list here. I just had a question about the CD Soundmill Navigator. I was wondering why the sound quality is so poor for this CD. Specifically, I was wondering about the pulsating 'hiss-like' noise that appears about 3:20 into the disc and continues to the end of it. When I first purchased the CD I assumed my copy was defective and returned it for a new one. When I received the new copy, I noticed the same noise on it. I even downloaded the first 5 minutes of the song off someone from Napster and found the same noise to be present. Is this a problem with the mastering or does it have to do with the original recording of the instruments? Is there a version of the CD around that isn't flawed? I find it very hard to listen to. Any information regarding this would be helpful. I was also wondering about the proposed US summer tour. Is there any word that there might be any Canadian dates such as Toronto? I've never seen Tangerine Dream live and would love to check them out if they came anywhere close to here. Thank you. Miles MacMillan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 2:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator Miles, above are some posts over the last year from various members which you might find a suitable response to your request. Kindest regards, Morgan. --------------------------------------------------- From: Airwave Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com To: Subject: [tadream] Denoised Soundmill Navigator. Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:57:59 +0100 Hi gang. Pleased to announce that I'm now playing a denoised copy of Soundmill Navigator. I was so appalled by the low sound quality presented by TD and TDI here that I just had to do something about it. After analyzing the fft fft fft sound I noticed that it resides very high in the frequency range. Meaning it is very easy to remove. The negative aspect is that the infernal fft fft fft noise could easily have been removed before [Edgar played all new year 2000 sounds on top of it] and with the added new synth textures, noone would ever have noticed an ever so slight degrade of the original recording. (Take note of that on behalf of TDI Martin Kay) I don't mean any disrespect toward TD and TDI by doing this changing of the original TDI release. I'm just horrified by the apparent lack of quality sense by TD / TDI. The Soundmill should never have been released if TD / TDI had felt the end result was below normal standard, and it clearly is IMO. --------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Morgan M.' Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com To: tadream@egroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] end of Tangentization b*tching by this list member Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:34:14 CDT [...] And as to my complaints about Antique Dreams already, there was not adequate warning for Soundmill Navigator to hardcore fans that it would be essentially a new album with some backing tape of the original concert, instead of what we all hoped for, which is an ARCHIVAL RELEASE. Especially since TDI posted a message here on this list that it would be undoctored. So I am not trying to start a humongous war, just warn people that once again, history is being rewritten in the key of Edgar. [...] -------------------------------------------------- Hi Gang, this is the most recent entry in the TD guestbook page... This guy surely has a sense of humour! (or was it meant to be taken seriously?) From Steve Dinsdale at Thu, 25/May/00 14:15: Congratulations on the artistic triumph of `Soundmill Navigator'. I have waited years to hear Edgar playing his lovely new digital keyboard while a bootleg of a radio broadcast from 1976 plays in the background. Great idea to play it in a different key too. It certainly knocks those dismal 70's albums (with those other two blokes that used to hang around with you) into second place! I'm sure that you must have dug deep into the famous bank vault in London (of EVERY gig TD ever did) to find something of such rare quality. It's very odd though, that deterioration of the 8-Track tape caused a multichannel recording to turn into a well circulated cassette of a concert that was broadcast live on German radio. Still...that year's worth of painstaking mastering has obviously paid off.The constant clicking really adds to the whole thing. Dream on ! You guys are great, the Dream lasts forever !! Looking forward to Antique Dreams..please remember to play nice and loudly over the quiet bits of `Overture' Edgar. Yours with deep respect, Steve ----------------------------------------------------------- >From: 'Miles MacMillan' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:28:08 -0800 > >Hi folks, > >Brand new to the list here. > >I just had a question about the CD Soundmill Navigator. I was wondering >why the sound quality is so poor for this CD. Specifically, I was >wondering about the pulsating 'hiss-like' noise that appears about 3:20 >into the disc and continues to the end of it. When I first purchased the >CD I assumed my copy was defective and returned it for a new one. When I >received the new copy, I noticed the same noise on it. I even downloaded >the first 5 minutes of the song off someone from Napster and found the same >noise to be present. Is this a problem with the mastering or does it have >to do with the original recording of the instruments? Is there a version >of the CD around that isn't flawed? I find it very hard to listen to. Any >information regarding this would be helpful. >I was also wondering about the proposed US summer tour. Is there any word >that there might be any Canadian dates such as Toronto? I've never seen >Tangerine Dream live and would love to check them out if they came anywhere >close to here. Just to let you know, the concert tour in the US (if it happens, very skeptical) will be a promotional tour for the Dream Mixes 3 album, which is entirely dance music. Just thought you ought to know. I might go just to be in the same room with Edgar Froese. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Victor Rek Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 3:45 am Subject: Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket Here are a few items I do not have on my website that I'm looking for. These are items that just came to mind and I may trade for. If you have an item on the list to trade, please ask me for a very special item that I can offer which I will NOT publish to any list. MINI WANT LIST: 1. Haslinger - World Without Rules CD 2. Dream Encores TDI CD004 3. Dream Mixes One TDI CD005 4. Dream Mixes Vol. 2 (Timesquare) TDI CD006 5. Oasis TDI CD009 6. Transsiberia TDI CD012 Items 2-6 MUST have Euro Only barcode on back (no US/Canada barcode). These are identified with a long rectangular code on the right edge of the tray insert and says 'distributed by EFA' above it. Note: I have Euro only barcode versions of Quinoa and Hollywood Years Vol. 2 FOR TRADE! 7. Haslinger - Planetary Traveller VCD Asian release 8. Stratosfear - 8-track release either US (Virgin PZA 34427) or UK (Virgin XV 2068) 9. Phaedra - 8-track release UK Virgin 8XV 2010 10. Rubycon - 8-track release UK Virign 8XV 2025 Also, I am thinking of trading my Optical Race Tour Jacket - contact me if you're interested. And, does anyone know what a MARS POLARIS CD mis-pressing is going for these days??? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26304 Re: Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket herold.u@t... Wed 3/7/2001 4 KB 26310 Re: Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket Victor Rek Wed 3/7/2001 5 KB From: 'tadream' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 3:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Eddy and Jerry's Top 5 My top 5 220 Volt Mars Polaris Oasis Rumplestiltskin Dream Mixes I --Bennett From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 4:42 am Subject: Mini Want List Hi Vic! I can help you out with the Haslinger CD. Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26309 Re: Mini Want List Victor Rek Wed 3/7/2001 3 KB From: herold.u@t... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket Hi Vic, i can help you out with the 'European' TDi releases. Contact me off-list. mailto: herold.u@t... cheers, Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Victor Rek' To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 4:45 AM Subject: [tadream] Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket > Here are a few items I do not have on my website that I'm looking for. > These are items that just came to mind and I may trade for. If you have > an item on the list to trade, please ask me for a very special item that > I can offer which I will NOT publish to any list. > > MINI WANT LIST: > 1. Haslinger - World Without Rules CD > 2. Dream Encores TDI CD004 > 3. Dream Mixes One TDI CD005 > 4. Dream Mixes Vol. 2 (Timesquare) TDI CD006 > 5. Oasis TDI CD009 > 6. Transsiberia TDI CD012 > Items 2-6 MUST have Euro Only barcode on back (no US/Canada barcode). > These are identified with a long rectangular code on the right edge of > the tray insert and says 'distributed by EFA' above it. > Note: I have Euro only barcode versions of Quinoa and Hollywood Years > Vol. 2 FOR TRADE! > > 7. Haslinger - Planetary Traveller VCD Asian release > 8. Stratosfear - 8-track release either US (Virgin PZA 34427) or UK > (Virgin XV 2068) > 9. Phaedra - 8-track release UK Virgin 8XV 2010 > 10. Rubycon - 8-track release UK Virign 8XV 2025 > > Also, I am thinking of trading my Optical Race Tour Jacket - contact me > if you're interested. > > And, does anyone know what a MARS POLARIS CD mis-pressing is going for > these days??? > > Vic > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 8:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Mixes 3 Not for us that don't have or couldn't afford the vinyls. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Mixes 3 > > > 'Owens, James' schrieb: > > > Tracklist is: > > 01. Prime Time > > 02. Astrophobia (Red Supernova Remix) > > 03. Stereolight > > 04. Diamonds and Dust > > 05. Blue Spears > > 06. Meng Tian (Smart Machine Remix) > > 07. Girl on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus 2001) > > 08. The spirit of the Czar > > 09. The comfort Zone > > So there are only 3 as yet unreleased tracks on this CD (Prime time, Blue spears & The comfort zone), the rest you can find on the Dream mixes 3 pre-release vinyls which were released 4 months ago...a bit > disappointing if you'd ask me :-( > > Heiko > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 9:26 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] Soungmill Navigator Welcome to the list, Miles. Enjoy :o) Poul I've never seen TD live as well, but I think we ought to persuade TD to come 'round Scandinavia first :o) They've never been here ( to my knowledge ). And a lot of us scandinvians would like to see them here ASAP. OK, a joke, but still....I think TD owe us a tour around these parts :o) > Hi folks, > > Brand new to the list here. > I was also wondering about the proposed US summer tour. Is there any word that there might be any Canadian dates such as Toronto? I've never seen Tangerine Dream live and would love to check them out if they came anywhere close to here. > > Thank you. > > Miles MacMillan From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 6:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] aiwa cdr for 275$ at crutchfield God that's an absolute fortune! You can get a Plextor 12x burner, 10x rewrite, 32x audio read for $20 less than that. You can write a music CD in just under 7 minutes and read an entire 74 minute CD (no skips) to your hard drive in 175 SECONDS! And the rewrite speed is 10 times faster than a Zip drive. On that Aiwa, it takes 38 minutes to copy a music CD. On the Plextor? 10 minutes. Plus, I can use 50 cent blanks (Memorex Platinum seem to perform the best). The Aiwa one you mention requires special $2 Audio CD-R blanks. Not to burst your bubble, but I hate to see people ripped off. And standalone is an absolute ripoff. And the days of having to 'leave your computer alone while you burn' are gone. The Plextor described above, when connected on its own IDE cable or on a $40 ATA/66 controller card is not affected by computer activity. You can do light web browsing, chatting, playing mp3s, etc. And if you accidentially tie up the computer for a few moments, the burner can stop (with the appropriate, included software), and start again without hurting the disc. It's called Burnproof technology, and it came out last year. I have 2 of the Plextors, I love em and recommend them to everyone. -Morgan >From: Aeonblue@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] aiwa cdr for 275$ at crutchfield >Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 03:38:16 EST > >I know this isn't exactly on topic, but there are alot of people looking >for a good standalone burner. > >HREF='http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-6w4PqAQ7TjW/ProdView.asp?I=570XCRW70\ 0'>http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-6w4PqAQ7TjW/ProdView.asp?I=570XCRW700 > >Crutchfield is having a great sale on a Awia Cd recorder. I ordered one >and absolutely love it! It's 399 bucks at best buy but crutchfield has >it for 299! This is a great company to order from and has a wonderful >return >program if it doesn't work out. Also, they have a referal program where >you get an additional 25 dollars off if you use my referal code: 20686263 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: colin_anderson@o... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 11:42 am Subject: Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top 5 Dream Mixes Timesquare Tournado Rockoon Goblins Club Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26339 Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top 5 Rimas Lazutka Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB From: Victor Rek Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 11:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mini Want List Thanks Rick! What do you want for it? I have some Russians CDs if you're interested. Vic rbrown4856@a... wrote: > Hi Vic! > > I can help you out with the Haslinger CD. > > Rick > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Victor Rek Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket Hi Uwe, Thank you and I just may be interested. I will get back to you this evening with some more details. What would you like for them? Vic herold.u@t... wrote: > Hi Vic, > > i can help you out with the 'European' TDi releases. > Contact me off-list. > mailto: herold.u@t... > > cheers, > Uwe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Victor Rek' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 4:45 AM > Subject: [tadream] Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket > > > Here are a few items I do not have on my website that I'm looking for. > > These are items that just came to mind and I may trade for. If you have > > an item on the list to trade, please ask me for a very special item that > > I can offer which I will NOT publish to any list. > > > > MINI WANT LIST: > > 1. Haslinger - World Without Rules CD > > 2. Dream Encores TDI CD004 > > 3. Dream Mixes One TDI CD005 > > 4. Dream Mixes Vol. 2 (Timesquare) TDI CD006 > > 5. Oasis TDI CD009 > > 6. Transsiberia TDI CD012 > > Items 2-6 MUST have Euro Only barcode on back (no US/Canada barcode). > > These are identified with a long rectangular code on the right edge of > > the tray insert and says 'distributed by EFA' above it. > > Note: I have Euro only barcode versions of Quinoa and Hollywood Years > > Vol. 2 FOR TRADE! > > > > 7. Haslinger - Planetary Traveller VCD Asian release > > 8. Stratosfear - 8-track release either US (Virgin PZA 34427) or UK > > (Virgin XV 2068) > > 9. Phaedra - 8-track release UK Virgin 8XV 2010 > > 10. Rubycon - 8-track release UK Virign 8XV 2025 > > > > Also, I am thinking of trading my Optical Race Tour Jacket - contact me > > if you're interested. > > > > And, does anyone know what a MARS POLARIS CD mis-pressing is going for > > these days??? > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Thomas Bertilsson' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 12:34 pm Subject: Re: The best TD sound ever / Mike Oldfield anyone? Hi Paul, that's very interesting news. It's going to be a treat to hear the quad version! Thanks for the info, might just have to upgrade to an SACD player. That format seems to be very well thought through, since SACD discs are backwards compatible with CD players. Read more below... > Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 19:33:33 +0100 > From: 'Paul Fellows' > Subject: The best TD sound ever > Hi all, > The following article in the March 2001 issue (number 259) of Record Collector has come to my attention and thought you'd be interested... > **** > RING THAT BELL > As the battle to supersede CD hots up between exponents of Super Audio CD (SACD) and DVD Audio (DVDA), Virgin plan to issue around two-dozen classic albums as stereo SACDs over the coming year. In addition, they've collaborated with Philips/Sony to produce SACDs that feature not only CD remastered stereo and SACD stereo versions of an album, but also a multi-channel version based on original quadrophonic tape sources. The first such release is the 10-million-selling 1973 MIKE OLDFIELD album, 'Tubular Bells', which those who've heard it say is stunning. It's accompanied by a new booklet with revised artwork, sleevenotes by the original producer and surround mixer, and card inserts. * Are there a lot of Mike Oldfield fans on the list??? I have plenty of old picture 7'singles and pretty hard to get items if anyone's interested... Contact me offline, please. > (Before we replaced our vinyls with CDs, now we'll have to replace our CDs with SACDs :-)) * I did it the other way around and replaced as many of my CDs with vinyl instead... heh! Don't need anything sounding better than my dear vintage vinyl. Thomas From: 'Thomas Bertilsson' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 12:38 pm Subject: Eddy and Jerry top five Here are my favorites: 1. 220 Volt live 2. Dream Mixes 3. Mars Polaris 4. I havn't heard all of Dream Mixes 3 yet obviously, but the 12'single are pretty fabulous, especially 'Stereolight', so I take my chances with the other tracks on that upcoming CD and place it fourth. 5. Goblins Club Thomas From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 3:42 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] aiwa cdr for 275$ at crutchfield yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. why even get an external anyway? internals are under $100. I just saw an external USB CDRW for $158US at pricewatch.com -----Original Message----- From: Feldon Feldon God that's an absolute fortune! You can get a Plextor 12x burner, 10x rewrite, 32x audio read for $20 less than that. ... >From: Aeonblue@a... ... >Crutchfield is having a great sale on a Awia Cd recorder. I ordered one >and absolutely love it! It's 399 bucks at best buy but crutchfield has From: veine@v... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 3:53 pm Subject: Complete list of fan recordings Hello; I'm fairly new to the list, but am enjoying all the mails that I recieve aboout my all time favorite group. :) I've been a TD fan since the mid 80's and am trying desperately to fill my collection, and when I think I'm kinda 'up-to- date' I discover so much more, and I had no idea there was so many fan recordings out there. Does anyone have a complete list of these, with titles, tracklistings and minutes? I've found one published, but don't think it's complete, or it might be that I don't know of all official releases. Thanks in advance ~Veine -- Get your firstname@l... email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 4:17 pm Subject: Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Does anybody know if there are any CDs available by this guy ? He wrote the music to such films as Zombie flesh eaters . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26316 Re: fabbio frizzi ohmss76@a... Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB From: ohmss76@a... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 6:19 pm Subject: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Hi Paul, there are some of his horror scores available, which is most of his output AFAIK. They are on Beat records, and can be bought from places like www.screenarchives.com www.intrada.com There is an album for City of the Walking Dead,The Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). Hope that helps! Sean A From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 6:40 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? classic! > -----Original Message----- > Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to > find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26318 SV: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Pergamon Wed 3/7/2001 3 KB 26320 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi ohmss76@a... Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB 26322 OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi glynn_naughton@h... Wed 3/7/2001 4 KB 26323 OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi glynn_naughton@h... Wed 3/7/2001 4 KB 26324 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Mark Coyle Wed 3/7/2001 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 6:45 pm Subject: SV: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Thank you very much, for reminding me of that image...... YUUUUUMMMMMIIIEEEEE!!!!!!! Jan > is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a > chick's hair > and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? > classic! > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to > > find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to > join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the > distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as > BRANCH my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: horrod6 Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 818 Gary said: 'So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards' Cue small cough. I know I said I'm an atypical woman, but even you middle-aged men _should_ still be able to tell the difference! And I'm all for going out on the piss afterwards, b.t.w. LnH Marion P.S. Gary, my tongue is firmly in my cheek: please, no panicky apologetic e-mails (you know who you are, panicky apologetic e-mailer). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26327 Re: Digest Number 818 Gary Jenkins Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB 26330 SV: [tadream] Digest Number 818 Pergamon Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB 26333 Re: Digest Number 818 lawlermusic Thu 3/8/2001 4 KB 26348 Re: Digest Number 818 horrod6 Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB 26356 Re: Digest Number 818 Craig Cordrey Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB 26357 Re: Digest Number 818 Craig Cordrey Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB From: ohmss76@a... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:14 pm Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? classic<<<<<<<<<<<< Right! Classic Fulci:) Zombi Fu!!!! Frizzi's music is pretty 'inspired' by Goblin though....incidentally, any TD fans here who dig that band? Conatamination has just been reissued, and the score for the new Dario Argento film Io non Sonno is out, both by Goblin. And to stay close to topic, their score for BUIO OMEGA is worth checking out for TD fans IMO;-) Best, Sean A From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:05 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Could be worse, if it was a Madonna t-shirt for example... And just think, if we wore badges, it would mean we'd be closer to understanding how a woman feels when blokes keep staring at her chest.... Sorry, I've got a warped sense of humour... Paul ---------- >De : 'Brian Stewart' >Ŕ : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : Re: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush >Date : Mer 7 mars 2001 0:06 > > Hi > > Hope not! It is a long time since I've been out in London & Steve and I are > out to enjoy ourselves! Just so long as we are in a fit state to pour > ourselves on to the plane home at 19:00 on Sunday! > > How about one of the artistic list members designing a discrete image that > can be printed out and made into a pin-badge? Most craft/DIY/art/toy shops > stock blank badges that you can stick an image to. > > I think that wearing my 'historic' (ie clapped-out) original Motorhead > t-shirt might get me arrested! > > Best wishes > > > Brian > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Jenkins > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:54 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush > > >>Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have >>any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people >>sat in the corner lol. >>Cheers Gary >> > I stand corrected . So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home > by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards > > Paul > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:33 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair > and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? > classic! > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to > > find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). The best bit is where someone is about to be attacked by a shark...and then suddenly an underwater zombie appears and attacks the shark. One of the great _dei ex machina_ in the history of, er, art, on a par with the convenient spaceship in The Life of Brian. I think I posted about this when doing a _Firestarter_ review, but I have a tremendous nostalgia for those garbage 'video nasties' (most of which, incidentally, are still banned in the UK). Way back in 1982, one of my friends' families had a VCR, which was a seriously new piece of kit back then (VCRs didn't really arrive in the UK until late '83/early '84) and we would all pile round to watch videos. At that time, big Hollywood films were not available on video: practically the only films on offer were 'nasties' - Zombie Flesh Eaters, I Spit On Your Grave, Cannibal Ferox (the most spectacular farrago of gore ever committed to film - see www.cannibalferox.com), Dawn of the Dead, Nightmares in a Damaged Brain. Not forgetting the trash action films like Escape from New York, The Warriors (whose fatuous piss-on-the-law style message was a dead cert to appeal to spotty 14-year-old boys for whom crossing a road against a red light was a major criminal act), The Wanderers. The vast majority of these films had cheap and nasty synthesiser scores - the theme to _Zombie Flesh Eaters_ in particular is absolutely hilarious. A few years later, however, came _Day of the Dead_ which has, IMO, by far the best synthesiser score ever recorded - composed by one John Harrison. The opening theme, accompanying the section where the helicopter lands in Fort Myers, is really amazing. See www.creepyclips.com for loads of clips from these films. Glynn From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:34 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair > and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? > classic! > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to > > find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair > and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? > classic! > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to > > find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). The best bit is where someone is about to be attacked by a shark...and then suddenly an underwater zombie appears and attacks the shark. One of the great _dei ex machina_ in the history of, er, art - on a par with the convenient spaceship in The Life of Brian. I think I posted about this when doing a _Firestarter_ review, but I have a tremendous nostalgia for those garbage 'video nasties' (most of which, incidentally, are still banned in the UK). Way back in 1982, one of my friends' families had a VCR, which was a seriously new piece of kit back then (VCRs didn't really arrive in the UK until late '83/early '84) and we would all pile round to watch videos. At that time, big Hollywood films were not available on video: practically the only films on offer were 'nasties' - Zombie Flesh Eaters, I Spit On Your Grave, Cannibal Ferox (the most spectacular farrago of gore ever committed to film - see www.cannibalferox.com), Dawn of the Dead, Nightmares in a Damaged Brain. Not forgetting the trash action films like Escape from New York, The Warriors (whose fatuous piss-on-the-law style message was a dead cert to appeal to spotty 14-year-old boys for whom crossing a road against a red light was a major criminal act), The Wanderers. The vast majority of these films had cheap and nasty synthesiser scores - the theme to _Zombie Flesh Eaters_ in particular is absolutely hilarious. A few years later, however, came _Day of the Dead_ which has, IMO, by far the best synthesiser score ever recorded - composed by one John Harrison. The opening theme, accompanying the section where the helicopter lands in Fort Myers, is really amazing. See www.creepyclips.com for loads of clips from these films. Glynn From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:37 pm Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Hi > Frizzi's music is pretty 'inspired' by Goblin though....incidentally, any TD fans here who dig that band? > Conatamination has just been reissued, and the score for the new Dario Argento film Io non Sonno is out, both by Goblin. Now you're talking. The soundtrack to Dario Argento's SUSPIRIA by Goblin is an all time EM classic. Weaving a mood TD type synth score, piercing fuzz lead guitar, sound effects, incantations and spells whispered by the band, Dario Argento and his very influential partner of the time (who knew all the witchcraft). The score is amazing and very dense. I would recommend it as an all time great which Goblin never quite matched, I think because the symbiosis of Dario Argento then at his peak and their music gelled so well. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 8:41 pm Subject: OT: RE: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi 'banned in the UK'??? I guess that's just odd to me, having a 1st amendment and all. > farrago of gore ever committed to film - see www.cannibalferox.com), ugh. what a horribly-done website. 'Cannibal Ferox' looks close to 'Cannibal Holocaust', not about zombies, but another Italian gore classic. From: 'Steve Yensen' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 9:27 pm Subject: RE: Top five from the Froese's my Top Five: 1. Oasis - bloody brilliant 2. Mars Polaris - finger lickin' good 3. Timesquare (Dream Mixes 2) - another good 'un 4. 220 Volt - for 'Sundance Kid' only 5. Tyranny of Beauty - for Stratosfear 1995 only Cheers, Steve in Nottingham, UK - -- Home: steve@y... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 9:48 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 818 --- In tadream@ hey no offence taken :) but it was not me who said that, it was that young musician (very talented by the way) Mr.Lawler. Cheers Gary > 'So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home > by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards' > > Cue small cough. I know I said I'm an atypical woman, but even you > middle-aged men _should_ still be able to tell the difference! > > And I'm all for going out on the piss afterwards, b.t.w. > > LnH > > Marion > > P.S. Gary, my tongue is firmly in my cheek: please, no panicky > apologetic e-mails (you know who you are, panicky apologetic e- mailer). From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 10:00 pm Subject: Re.Suspiria Yes Mark I agree a classic soundtrack I remember first seeing it at the cinema when it was released the opening scenes have always stuck in my mind the thunderstorm and the very loud Goblin score made it very frightening at the time.I have now got it on DVD did not have the same effect but still a classic horror flick. Cheers Gary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26331 Re: Re.Suspiria Mark Coyle Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB 26343 Re: Re.Suspiria Gary Jenkins Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 10:46 pm Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush some links on http://www.tadream.net about the Moon on the Green pub. I know onee is broken but I gotta run; will fix it later. From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 10:48 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Digest Number 818 > Cue small cough. I know I said I'm an atypical woman, but even you > middle-aged men _should_ still be able to tell the difference! **LOL** hehe....that was a good one =) Jan > And I'm all for going out on the piss afterwards, b.t.w. > Marion From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 11:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.Suspiria Hi > Yes Mark I agree a classic soundtrack I remember first seeing it at > the cinema when it was released the opening scenes have always stuck > in my mind the thunderstorm and the very loud Goblin score made it > very frightening at the time.I have now got it on DVD did not have > the same effect but still a classic horror flick. Which DVD did you get Gary? Anything extra interesting? Of course you can tell now with the 'witchhhhhhh' whispers that they are giving away who the three witches are as part of the musical soundtrack, very clever. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26343 Re: Re.Suspiria Gary Jenkins Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 7:59 am Subject: collectable item on e-bay Hi everyone, If anyone would like to bid, I've re-auctioned the following item on e-bay. Clicking on the link will take you straight there. 1997 Tournado tour double-sided promotional postcard, signed on rear by Edgar, Jerome, Zlatco and Emil. Highly collectable. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1414728399 Good luck! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 12:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Digest Number 818 Illustration) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Jenkins To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Digest Number 818 > --- In tadream@ > hey no offence taken :) but it was not me who said that, it was that > young musician (very talented by the way) Mr.Lawler. > Cheers Gary > > ooops ! you cant blame me for not expecting that a girl may be among the audience . I have never met a single female that likes EM . Mind you I haven`t met many people at all that do . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & > > > > 'So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home > > by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards' > > > > Cue small cough. I know I said I'm an atypical woman, but even you > > middle-aged men _should_ still be able to tell the difference! > > > > And I'm all for going out on the piss afterwards, b.t.w. > > > > LnH > > > > Marion > > > > P.S. Gary, my tongue is firmly in my cheek: please, no panicky > > apologetic e-mails (you know who you are, panicky apologetic e- > mailer). > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: hilary.wright@a... Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 1:31 am Subject: Sonic Render Throbbing Up¨Polyphony Score I am trying to locate the origin of this CD. Is it a recognised bootleg? If so where from etc? Can you help? Hilary From: Victor Rek Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 3:53 am Subject: Mars Polaris Mis-Pressing for TRADE Here is a rare opportunity to have a shot at getting the very rare Mars Polaris mis-pressing which was actually meant to be a TDI Promo CD. It has tracks from Mars Polaris and Great Wall of China (11 tracks total - not 10 like the regular release). This release is documented on the TD website. I will only trade for very rare items or items that are at the top of my want list. Some items I can consider are Japanese Firestarter CD + M. Hoenig Japanese CD, Aqua II LP, very rare 7' singles from Encore or Grind/Grind, etc. Contact we with offers off list. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26341 Aqua II ???????? Pergamon Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB 26349 Mars Polaris Mis-Pressing for TRADE Felna Greymane Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB 26368 Re: Mars Polaris Mis-Pressing for TRADE Victor Rek Sat 3/10/2001 3 KB From: Jens Kilian Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:00 am Subject: Punctured eyeballs... On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:40:51 -0500, Joe Shoults wrote: > is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair > and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? > classic! To bring this thread back on topic, a punctured (or rather, slit with a razor) eyeball is also featured in _Un chien andalou_, scripted by Luis Buńuel and Salvador Dalí, and Dalí had a great influence on Tangerine Dream. ;-) Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26337 Re: Punctured eyeballs... Synthhtnys@a... Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Punctured eyeballs... To bring this thread back on topic, a punctured (or rather, slit with a razor) eyeball is also featured in _Un chien andalou_, scripted by Luis Buńuel and Salvador Dalí, and Dalí had a great influence on Tangerine Dream. ;-) Jens. *Yeah, I've seen that... it was made in what? the 30's? VERY DISTURBING! Way ahead of its time... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 10:22 am Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Hi Paul Who said anything about wearing it on your chest! The following is from the Sisters list: When the intro tape, this strange Shirelles / Tangerine Dream mix, started, I began to get nervous, really excited... The Sisters started with their standard opener 'First And Last And Always', always nice, always safe, but I personally liked 'Anaconda' from last year's Hildesheim gig much more, because it was more exciting. Too bad they skipped it from Colognes setlist. They have an FTP-site. I wonder if someone has put it on. My own soundcard is disabled. Best Brian ------------------------------- Could be worse, if it was a Madonna t-shirt for example... And just think, if we wore badges, it would mean we'd be closer to understanding how a woman feels when blokes keep staring at her chest.... Sorry, I've got a warped sense of humour... Paul ---------- >De : 'Brian Stewart' >Ŕ : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : Re: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush >Date : Mer 7 mars 2001 0:06 > >Hi > >Hope not! It is a long time since I've been out in London & Steve and I >are >out to enjoy ourselves! Just so long as we are in a fit state to pour >ourselves on to the plane home at 19:00 on Sunday! > >How about one of the artistic list members designing a discrete image that >can be printed out and made into a pin-badge? Most craft/DIY/art/toy shops >stock blank badges that you can stick an image to. > >I think that wearing my 'historic' (ie clapped-out) original Motorhead >t-shirt might get me arrested! > >Best wishes > > >Brian > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Gary Jenkins >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:54 PM >Subject: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush > > >>Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have >>any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people >>sat in the corner lol. >>Cheers Gary >> >I stand corrected . So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean >home >by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards > >Paul > >http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler >http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- >http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Rimas Lazutka' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 11:00 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top 5 here's my top5: 1.Dream Mixes 2.Goblins Club 3.Tournado 4.Timesquare 5.Tyranny of beauty Rimas Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 2:18 am Subject: TD 8-track releases For Victor Rek, I have the 8-track UK releases of Phaedra, Rubycon and Stratosfear (and also Ricochet) if you are still interested in these. Please contact me privately to see if we can arrange a trade. - Chris From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 11:54 am Subject: Aqua II ???????? > Some items I can consider are Japanese Firestarter CD + M. > Hoenig Japanese CD, Aqua II LP,..... What the .... Can anyone please fill me in on this one. Have never heard of an 'Aqua II', is this a boot, or????? what tracks are on this album?????? Regards Jan From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 7:16 am Subject: Punctured eyeballs: gimmee a break! On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:00:33 +0100 (MET) Jens Kilian writes: > To bring this thread back on topic, a punctured (or rather, slit > with a razor) eyeball is also featured in _Un chien andalou_, > scripted by Luis Buńuel and Salvador Dalí, and Dalí had a > great influence on Tangerine Dream. Keee-ripes!!! Can we cease this eyeball abuse horseshit? I would like to actually read a post to this list, now and then, you know! -- Steven Feldman [joe] Kee-ripes. weak stomach there today, Steve? in fact, I think Jens is right. Edgar's personality in some ways reminds me of the air of high-artsy avant-garde eccentricity of Dali. From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 6:44 pm Subject: Re: Re.Suspiria --- In tadream@y..., 'Mark Coyle' wrote: > Hi > > > Yes Mark I agree a classic soundtrack I remember first seeing it at > > the cinema when it was released the opening scenes have always stuck > > in my mind the thunderstorm and the very loud Goblin score made it > > very frightening at the time.I have now got it on DVD did not have > > the same effect but still a classic horror flick. > > Which DVD did you get Gary? Anything extra interesting? > Of course you can tell now with the 'witchhhhhhh' whispers that they are giving away > who the three witches are as part of the musical soundtrack, very clever. > cheers > Mark > Hi Mark the dvd was Suspiria but it is not the best of dvd due to no extras,stereo sound and filmed very wide so thick letterboxing but still a classic whatever. Cheers Gary > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 7:54 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Love to help, but more info would be useful! Paul ---------- >De : hilary.wright@a... >Ŕ : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] >Date : Jeu 8 mars 2001 2:31 > > I am trying to locate the origin of this CD. Is it a recognised > bootleg? If so where from etc? > > Can you help? > > Hilary > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: David Hughes Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: TD In concert (DVD) Hello, Anyone have any TD vids on DvD? Boots considered. Thanks david -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk From: horrod6 Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:46 pm Subject: Ed & Jerry top 5 Here's my contribution. 1. Dream mixes 2 2. What a blast 3. Mars Polaris 4. 220 volts 5= Goblins Club 5= Turn of the tides I had real trouble deciding on number 5 - Zoning very nearly made it in there at 5= as well. Maybe my difficulties illustrate why the proportion of list members who are willing to contribute to this kind of poll is small. I listen to different stuff in different moods, depending on what life, the weather, relationships, health etc. are like. With some albums I quite like all the tracks, with others there may be one brilliant track I play all the time, ignoring all the others. I don't really have regular favourites, just things that I'm playing a lot at the moment. That means that it's difficult to pick a top 5 albums (or 10 tracks, or whatever), and when you do, you know it doesn't represent any permanent reality. Does this chime with any of you guys who haven't sent in your top 5 yet? or are you just too idle to type 5 album names into an e-mail (grin)? LnH Marion np: madrigal meridian Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26351 Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 Armin Theissen Fri 3/9/2001 3 KB 26361 Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB 26355 Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 Geir Smedsrud Fri 3/9/2001 3 KB From: horrod6 Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:49 pm Subject: OT: RE: Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Joe, do you mind, I've just had my dinner! Marion (..is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball?) From: horrod6 Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 818 Oops, sorry Gary. And 'Mr' Lawler should recognise me at least - we'll have met at the swampfest, d.v. Marion From: Felna Greymane Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 1:35 am Subject: Mars Polaris Mis-Pressing for TRADE Just out of curiosity (as I have no chance whatsoever of getting this) is there any 'new' music on this. By new I mean both commercially and fantape wise. For those who have heard it, is it 'good' (subjective term). >Here is a rare opportunity to have a shot at getting the very rare Mars >Polaris mis-pressing which was actually meant to be a TDI Promo CD. It >has tracks from Mars Polaris and Great Wall of China (11 tracks total - >not 10 like the regular release). This release is documented on the TD >website. Jeff Stevenson greymane@k... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 12:51 am Subject: Re: was [Soundmill Navigator] now is guestbook comments Morgan, there's no doubt Steve Dinsdale was being sarcastic! Steve is a member of RMI [Radio Massacre International] . I imagine a few of us here know them very well and appreciate their music very much, which is in the vein of 70's TD music with their long ambient sequencing build ups. To me, RMI is among a few groups / individuals who have taken some of the best elements of 70's TD music and taken it where TD left off, filling a niche and meeting the demands of people still clamouring for older TD's style. And they've done it very well. Dare I say , in a few instances even better, imo. But hey, TD , Klaus Schulze and a few others led the way for all these young turks. I think many of you who prefer older TD's music should check them out. Chances are most of you would like them. Now playing Edgar Froese's 'Beyond The Storm' ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator > Miles, above are some posts over the last year from various members which > you might find a suitable response to your request. > > Kindest regards, > > Morgan. > > > --------------------------------------------------- > From: Airwave > Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > To: > Subject: [tadream] Denoised Soundmill Navigator. > Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:57:59 +0100 > > Hi gang. > > Pleased to announce that I'm now playing a denoised > copy of Soundmill Navigator. I was so appalled by the > low sound quality presented by TD and TDI here that I > just had to do something about it. > > After analyzing the fft fft fft sound I noticed that > it resides very high in the frequency range. Meaning > it is very easy to remove. > > The negative aspect is that the infernal fft fft fft noise > could easily have been removed before [Edgar played all new year 2000 sounds > on top of it] and with the added new synth textures, noone would ever have > noticed an ever so slight degrade of the original recording. > (Take note of that on behalf of TDI Martin Kay) > > I don't mean any disrespect toward TD and TDI by doing > this changing of the original TDI release. I'm just horrified > by the apparent lack of quality sense by TD / TDI. The > Soundmill should never have been released if TD / TDI had > felt the end result was below normal standard, and it > clearly is IMO. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: 'Morgan M.' > Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] end of Tangentization b*tching by this list member > Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:34:14 CDT > > [...] > And as to my complaints about Antique Dreams already, there was not adequate > warning for Soundmill Navigator to hardcore fans that it would be > essentially a new album with some backing tape of the original concert, > instead of what we all hoped for, which is an ARCHIVAL RELEASE. Especially > since TDI posted a message here on this list that it would be undoctored. So > I am not trying to start a humongous war, just warn people that once again, > history is being rewritten in the key of Edgar. > [...] > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Hi Gang, > > this is the most recent entry in the TD guestbook page... This guy > surely has a sense of humour! (or was it meant to be taken seriously?) > > From Steve Dinsdale at Thu, 25/May/00 14:15: > > Congratulations on the artistic triumph of `Soundmill Navigator'. I have > waited years to hear Edgar playing his lovely new digital keyboard while > a bootleg of a radio broadcast from 1976 plays in the background. Great > idea to play it in a different key too. It certainly knocks those dismal > 70's albums (with those other two blokes that used to hang around with > you) into second place! > > I'm sure that you must have dug deep into the > famous bank vault in London (of EVERY gig TD ever did) to find something > of such rare quality. It's very odd though, that deterioration of the > 8-Track tape caused a multichannel recording to turn into a well > circulated cassette of a concert that was broadcast live on German > radio. Still...that year's worth of painstaking mastering has obviously > paid off.The constant clicking really adds to the whole thing. Dream on > ! > > You guys are great, the Dream lasts forever !! > > Looking forward to Antique Dreams..please remember to play nice and > loudly over the quiet bits of `Overture' Edgar. > > Yours with deep respect, > > Steve > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > >From: 'Miles MacMillan' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator > >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:28:08 -0800 > > > >Hi folks, > > > >Brand new to the list here. > > > >I just had a question about the CD Soundmill Navigator. I was wondering > >why the sound quality is so poor for this CD. Specifically, I was > >wondering about the pulsating 'hiss-like' noise that appears about 3:20 > >into the disc and continues to the end of it. When I first purchased the > >CD I assumed my copy was defective and returned it for a new one. When I > >received the new copy, I noticed the same noise on it. I even downloaded > >the first 5 minutes of the song off someone from Napster and found the same > >noise to be present. Is this a problem with the mastering or does it have > >to do with the original recording of the instruments? Is there a version > >of the CD around that isn't flawed? I find it very hard to listen to. Any > >information regarding this would be helpful. > > > >I was also wondering about the proposed US summer tour. Is there any word > >that there might be any Canadian dates such as Toronto? I've never seen > >Tangerine Dream live and would love to check them out if they came anywhere > >close to here. > > Just to let you know, the concert tour in the US (if it happens, very > skeptical) will be a promotional tour for the Dream Mixes 3 album, which is > entirely dance music. Just thought you ought to know. I might go just to be > in the same room with Edgar Froese. > > -Morgan > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 8:27 am Subject: Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 Hi, I never liked such 'top 5' or so polls. Too hard to decide and thus they don't tell me much. I very much prefer to give a rating on *each* album. You can then run some meaningful statistics on the poll results. cheers armin erm... not intended to revive the AS (for you old members here) > > Maybe my difficulties illustrate why the proportion of list members who > are willing to contribute to this kind of poll is small. > I listen to different stuff in different moods, depending on what life, > the weather, relationships, health etc. are like. > With some albums I quite like all the tracks, with others there may be > one brilliant track I play all the time, ignoring all the others. > I don't really have regular favourites, just things that I'm playing a > lot at the moment. > That means that it's difficult to pick a top 5 albums (or 10 tracks, or > whatever), and when you do, you know it doesn't represent any permanent > reality. Does this chime with any of you guys who haven't sent in your > top 5 yet? or are you just too idle to type 5 album names into an e-mail > (grin)? > > LnH > > Marion > > np: madrigal meridian Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26361 Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB From: D.Nigbur@r... Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 2:28 pm Subject: Shepherd's Bush Concert Hello all, and it's good to be back again and see so many familiar faces... I just retrieved the information about TD's forthcoming visit to the Shepherd's Bush. The only slightly disconcerting aspect of this is that the gig is announced on the Dream Mixes web page as 'Dream Mixes on Stage', or something the like. Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of Dream Mixes material? As much as I enjoyed the first two Dream Mixes, I don't think I'd visit a concert for them... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26354 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Sean Montgomery Fri 3/9/2001 3 KB 26358 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Frank Arellano Fri 3/9/2001 4 KB 26359 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Sean Montgomery Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB 26360 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB 26366 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Matthew Stringer Sat 3/10/2001 3 KB From: djpinky420@h... Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 4:36 pm Subject: ORB ORB ORB ORB Hey everyone. I wanted to make sure that all of you knew about the Orb going on tour soon. I heard rumors that they might be opening for Moby for a while. That might have been confirmed by now -- I don't even know. Anyone hear anything? Cydonia is out now and it is fabulous. I can't wait to hear (and see--their visuals are amazing) what they do in their live show... 4/12 Boynton Beach, FL Orbit 4/13 Tampa, FL Masquerade 4/14 Atlanta, FL Masquerade 4/17 New York, NY Irving Plaza 4/18 Wash DC 930 Club 4/19 Boston, MA Avalon Ballroom 4/21 Detroit, MI St. Andrew Hall 4/22 Toronto, ONT The Guvernment 4/23 Chicago, IL The Metro 4/24 Lawrence, KS Granada 4/25 Denver, CO Ogden Theatre 4/27 SF, CA Maritime Hall 4/28 Indio, CA Coachella I'm all over that Irving Plaza show. Woo hoo!! peese. <666> From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 4:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert D.Nigbur@r... wrote: > Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars > Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of > Dream Mixes material? I would argue...in fact, I already have...that there is no longer any real difference between a 'Dream Mixes' album and a regular TD release. DM1 was vastly different from Tyranny of Beauty, but if the Meng Tien mp3 is any indication, DM3 will bear little difference from some of the more 'upbeat' tracks on What a Blast, Mars Polaris or Transsiberia. The main difference is that the DM label for the show will give them licence to perform Jerome's version of Tangentizing on their older material. We'll have the DM Tangram, the DM White Eagle, and the DM Monolight. I'm not saying that this is bound to be a good or bad thing...that's just what I foresee. DM has obviously sold well for them, so that's the angle that they're pushing. At the same time though, the fact that they're bringing at least one guest guitarist along suggests that they'll do at least a couple of 'conventional' versions of older stuff. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 6:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ed & Jerry top 5 It wasn't a chime, it was a big GONG! And besides, I don't have that many albums from this period anyway. And then I haven't played those I have for a long time. That is, with one exception; 220 Volt. I have just got this one and have played it a few times, but it doesn't give me a 'high' like some of the older stuff do. Geir np: I think I'll put on Richochet, on repeat! At 20:46 08.03.01 +0000, Marion wrote: > >Maybe my difficulties illustrate why the proportion of list members who >are willing to contribute to this kind of poll is small. >I listen to different stuff in different moods, depending on what life, >the weather, relationships, health etc. are like. >With some albums I quite like all the tracks, with others there may be >one brilliant track I play all the time, ignoring all the others. >I don't really have regular favourites, just things that I'm playing a >lot at the moment. >That means that it's difficult to pick a top 5 albums (or 10 tracks, or >whatever), and when you do, you know it doesn't represent any permanent >reality. Does this chime with any of you guys who haven't sent in your >top 5 yet? or are you just too idle to type 5 album names into an e-mail >(grin)? > >LnH > >Marion Best Regards Geir From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 8:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 818 >From: 'lawlermusic' >Subject: Re: Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush > >I`m going as well but I dont see my name on any list . >Have I been banned for being a cheeky TD rip off merchant :) > >Paul >ps . How will i know who everybody is in the pub ? Paul, If you still have your shaven head I'll find you. You may vaguely recollect me as one of the beyond_em'ers who approached you at Jodrell Bank last year - we all had our picture taken along with your brother. I'm sure we'll be the only group of 35 in the place! 8-) Craig From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 8:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 818 >From: 'Paul Fellows' >Subject: Re : Re.People going to Shepherds Bush > >Middle aged people wearing an impressive array of TD/Ramones/Motorhead >(possibly) t-shirts, ex fan-club badges and if Conrad has anything to do >with it, name badges (God forbid!) :-) Heh (if I may use a Dano), if I wear my home-made (by my mother) t-shirt, I can have all three - it has my name, a unique tangerine dream logo and the address of the old tadream mailing list (cs.uwp.edu RIP). Maybe not. Craig From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 7:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert Any word on who the guest guitarist is? BTW, Mr. Montgomery, I haven't seen your Eddy and Jerry favorites, need help finding some? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Sean Montgomery' To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert > > > D.Nigbur@r... wrote: > > > Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars > > Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of > > Dream Mixes material? > > I would argue...in fact, I already have...that there is no longer any real difference between a 'Dream Mixes' album and a regular TD release. DM1 was vastly different from Tyranny of Beauty, but if the Meng > Tien mp3 is any indication, DM3 will bear little difference from some of the more 'upbeat' tracks on What a Blast, Mars Polaris or Transsiberia. The main difference is that the DM label for the show will > give them licence to perform Jerome's version of Tangentizing on their older material. We'll have the DM Tangram, the DM White Eagle, and the DM Monolight. I'm not saying that this is bound to be a good or > bad thing...that's just what I foresee. DM has obviously sold well for them, so that's the angle that they're pushing. > > At the same time though, the fact that they're bringing at least one guest guitarist along suggests that they'll do at least a couple of 'conventional' versions of older stuff. > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 8:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert Frank Arellano wrote: > BTW, Mr. Montgomery, I haven't seen your Eddy and Jerry favorites I was one of the first to reply...go check the archives on Yahoogroups (March 1st) -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26360 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 9:12 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert --- In tadream@y..., Sean Montgomery wrote: > > > Frank Arellano wrote: > > > BTW, Mr. Montgomery, I haven't seen your Eddy and Jerry favorites > > I was one of the first to reply...go check the archives on Yahoogroups (March > 1st) > > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean I can confirm that! Roger From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 9:21 pm Subject: Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 --- In tadream@y..., 'Armin Theissen' wrote: > > Hi, > > I never liked such 'top 5' or so polls. Too hard to decide and > thus they don't tell me much. I very much prefer to give a rating > on *each* album. You can then run some meaningful statistics on > the poll results. > > cheers > > armin Come on, Armin... It's not to be taken THAT seriously. Anyway, we're only after the top five. Play ball with us... please? From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 9:26 pm Subject: Re: Eddy & Jerry --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > You know Roger, you could run this as a poll on yahoogroups if you want to > at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/polls > it will track, graph and permanently store the results. Perhaps a bit > easier than tracking results yourself. Yeah, I know. But if many of the folks have computers like mine it can be a real hassle trying to open up yahoo groups because it takes so long to open up. Anyway, I think this is more fun because it has encouraged a few folk to post... albeit most of them are the same folk who regularly contribute anyway. By the way, Marion, if you're reading this, I've split the one point between TOTT & Goblins Club, awarding each 0.5 points each. Could make all the difference in the end... Roger From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 2:03 am Subject: DM 3 AT LAST!... An interesting album cover :) The latest TD music I've heard so far is Goblins' Club, which I still don't like, except for Rising Haul in Silence and Towards the Evening Star. I don't even remeber what RHIS exactly sounds like but I remember that I liked it a lot. And I think Evening Star is very good (but not great). I intended to buy Antique Dreams, but it's too expensive for me, around 20 US dollars. I'd rather spend such money in Tolkien books. So I played this Meng Tian remix, after listening to the whole Cyclone and also after playing Klingklang, from Kraftwerk's Kraftwerk 2 album. I think it's not bad; but it's not good either. It's an aluminium track: it's recycled and can be recycled again. It just sounds like anything else, and it's not interesting. I'd rather play Risin Runnar Missed by Endless Sendar: the music is good, the singing is very funny. It's Midnight in Tula, Dominion and Cinnamon Road greatgrandmother. After this track maybe Goblins' Club sounds better... Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... From: 'Greg' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 4:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DM 3 From: 'Gustavo Jobim' > > So I played this Meng Tian remix, after listening to the whole Cyclone and also after playing Klingklang, from Kraftwerk's Kraftwerk 2 album. I think it's not bad; but it's not good either. It's an aluminium track: it's recycled and can be recycled again. It just sounds like anything else, and it's not interesting. I'd rather play Risin Runnar Missed by Endless Sendar: the music is good, the singing is very funny. It's Midnight in Tula, Dominion and Cinnamon Road greatgrandmother. > > After this track maybe Goblins' Club sounds better... > > Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... I really agree with you there about Meng Tian in that it sounds 'recycled.' But I think that TD now is making music for a yuppie type of culture that likes to fit into current trendy fads. Now in your flat in London or your condo in San Francisco you can listen to the latest in techno and rave clubs, while still maintaining a sense of avant garde - choose TD - whom dreads through the clubs Berlin, Bonn... and takes the truly worthwhile away. Well guys I REALLY go to clubs because I enjoy to dance and I would not ever find such music being played in the places - in fact I'd more than likely hear the remix of ALL YOUR BASE BELONGS TO US than hear anything by TD. But I think TD missed the boat by not going towards more of a rave sound because I think a lot of that has a basis in mid to late 70's sequencing and transitioning. I know the dance culture is more infused in Europe (I get a lot of music from Europe for a DJ who's actually from England and living here like me in this small spring break crazy town of Lake Havasu City, Arizona). TD isn't alone in trying to revive itself - Kraftwerk with their Expo 2000 tracks also 'tries' to follow this trand, but in my opinion, fails rather badly. I like Cyclone more than Stratosfear, so I like to hear people that enjoy that album like I do! Greg H. From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 10:06 am Subject: Sheperds Bush concert >Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars >Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of >Dream Mixes material? Dennis, devious bastards that TD / TDI have become, you can be absolutely sure that they will only play pre-1985 material. Why else would they advertise it as 'dream mixes on stage' ? ;-) ;-) ;-) cheers, klaus (who might be coming over as well, loads of BA airmiles to burn) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26372 Re: Sheperds Bush concert Frank Arellano Sat 3/10/2001 3 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 12:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert Urgh, if this is confirmed that it's a mixes concert I have 3 tickets to give away. Matt -----Original Message----- From: D.Nigbur@r... [mailto:D.Nigbur@r...] Sent: 09 March 2001 14:28 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert Hello all, and it's good to be back again and see so many familiar faces... I just retrieved the information about TD's forthcoming visit to the Shepherd's Bush. The only slightly disconcerting aspect of this is that the gig is announced on the Dream Mixes web page as 'Dream Mixes on Stage', or something the like. Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of Dream Mixes material? As much as I enjoyed the first two Dream Mixes, I don't think I'd visit a concert for them... ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 1:22 pm Subject: Play ball with us... please? What there was no prize for the winner? Well damn From: Victor Rek Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 7:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris Mis-Pressing for TRADE Hello, The details of this release are posted on the TD website under 'What's On'. In summary, there is no new music on it - it's off of Mars Polaris and Great Wall of China. Felna Greymane wrote: > Just out of curiosity (as I have no chance whatsoever of getting this) is > there any 'new' music on this. By new I mean both commercially and fantape > wise. For those who have heard it, is it 'good' (subjective term). > > >Here is a rare opportunity to have a shot at getting the very rare Mars > >Polaris mis-pressing which was actually meant to be a TDI Promo CD. It > >has tracks from Mars Polaris and Great Wall of China (11 tracks total - > >not 10 like the regular release). This release is documented on the TD > >website. > > Jeff Stevenson > greymane@k... > > Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 > (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Victor Rek Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 7:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Aqua II ???????? This is the same release as Froese's Aqua LP, except it is a French release of 1000 copies in a different 'box-type' packaging. Can anyone provide more input? I know a few people on this list must own it. Vic Pergamon wrote: > > Some items I can consider are Japanese Firestarter CD + M. > > Hoenig Japanese CD, Aqua II LP,..... > > What the .... Can anyone please fill me in on this one. Have never > heard of an 'Aqua II', is this a boot, or????? what tracks are on this > album?????? > > Regards > Jan > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26375 Off-topic (synth, Virus a) Pergamon Sun 3/11/2001 2 KB From: mortalloom@y... Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 8:00 pm Subject: Mortal Loom - 'Alchemy Through Dreams' - Delvian Records Mortal Loom covers so many genres that it is hard to define them, which is generally something musicians enjoy. Alchemy Through Dreams combines elements of trippy electronica, world music, jazz, ambient and dance. Alchemy Through Dreams starts off extremely ambient and dreamy with 'Silence' and 'Event Horizon.' This sort of music lends itself to a very mystical atmosphere with lots of chimes, soft guitars and wave sounds. It definitely brought to mind soundtracks to films like Legend and The Last Unicorn. The CD then changes pace with 'Agnosia' and 'Trip Hop Thing,' adding a bit more beat and jazz feel. 'Trip Hop Thing' would definitely please fans of Jamiroquai and similar light, upbeat electronica music. This shift in vibes is a constant throughout Alchemy. The sound moves to almost a tribal beat with 'Masses,' and then to an ambient techno beat in 'Into The Night' and 'Shadow Puppets.' The most surreal part of the CD is actually the closing: a cover of 'Dream A Little Dream Of Me,' the only song that includes lead vocals. It's hard to compare Mortal Loom to other bands, but fans of Enigma, Enya, Tangerine Dream, Delirium and other crossover electronica acts should enjoy them. Internet: www.gatemusic.com/mortalloom e-mail: mortal@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26373 Re: The spamming of [tadream] by Mortal Loom... j.gordon Sat 3/10/2001 4 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 8:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DM 3 Greg wrote: > But I think that TD now is making music for a yuppie type of culture that > likes to fit into current trendy fads. Hey hey...time for another rant. Those tired of my harping should turn back now. I love a good conspiracy theory, but I don't buy this hypothesis. That argument could have been made 10 years ago, about albums like Melrose and Turn of the Tides, but not now. The techno/rave scene has always been for the young - people in their teens and early 20s, not trend-conscious professionals who work for a living. Moby broke into the mainstream by *dropping* his rave roots and writing pop songs. Furthermore, few 'urban professionals' I know go to dance clubs or have any interest in the music played therein. It's too loud and obnoxious...the yuppie bistros and bookstores are more likely to be playing Brazillian music like Bebel Gilberto. Nor is techno even trendy with young people right now. It had its moment in the sun 4 years ago, but now it's all boy bands or rap-metal hybrids. TDs weak attempts at 'dance music' also fail as club anthems...there's not enough bass to shake your ass to, the beats per minute aren't high enough, and they don't know squat about building the music to a climax, or even sustaining a good groove. On top of that, they're never going to be 'trendy' in any social circle unless people *hear* them. To use Moby as an example again, his album 'Play' only took off after every single song on it was licenced for use in TV commercials, TV series and movie soundtracks. People heard it and liked it. Who gets to hear TD today, and where? And if they did, would they like what they heard? (I doubt it!) Hell, mp3 samples aside, *fans* don't even get to hear new TD albums before buying them. We just send off our money because the words 'Tangerine Dream' appear on the cover. Personally, I think the 'DM' phenomenon is just Jerome playing around. He has some good taste in music, based on the Electrobeats tracklists that I've seen. He likes his dance music, just as Edgar liked Jimmy Hendrix and Pink Floyd when he started out. But Jerome has been far less successful at copying and building on those influences than his father was. Not to say that the DM albums are *bad* (I like the first one a great deal)...they just fail to stand out at a time when there is far more interesting and sophisticated electronic music being made. Claims that the DM albums put TD back on the cutting edge are laughable. When 'techno' was truly cutting edge, TD's music was dominated by Linda Spa's 'Kenny G' sax (and yet they were vehemently denying being a New Age band). Of course, if they *had* tried to jump on the rave bandwagon in 1991, touring with The Orb, Primal Scream and the KLF, they would very likely have been a laughing stock. Partly because, as I mentioned, the scene has always been for the young....and partly because I doubt the results would have sounded very convincing (the 'Zeo' mixes of Lily on the Beach serve as my Exhibit A). So they stuck in their New Age niche for a while, because there was a market for their unthreatening harpsichord sounds and sampled choirs. But the genre died, and Jerome brought in this new tactic. Yet, Edgar's mindset seems to be firmly fixated on Mozart and the 1960s...and I think it's the attempts for the two of them to find musical common ground that have made their albums so wishy-washy and uneven. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 8:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sheperds Bush concert < devious bastards that TD /TDI have become > Sad, but true. Well, enough truth in it that I had to laugh... :-) TD and TDI may be laughing too, all the way to the bank :-D I still love em' :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Klaus Beschorner' To: Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 3:06 AM Subject: [tadream] Sheperds Bush concert > >Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars > >Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of > >Dream Mixes material? > > Dennis, > devious bastards that TD / TDI have become, you can be > absolutely sure that they will only play pre-1985 material. > Why else would they advertise it as 'dream mixes on stage' ? > > ;-) ;-) ;-) > > cheers, > klaus (who might be coming over as well, loads of BA airmiles to burn) > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 9:35 pm Subject: Re: The spamming of [tadream] by Mortal Loom... what's this? spam? here... no, no, no, you must be mistaken, this is a proper list... no spam here... please... j.g man, i never realized how absoulutely tired i am of people pushing there stuff, regardless of how good it is... --- mortalloom@y... wrote: > > Mortal Loom covers so many genres that it is hard to define them, > which is generally something musicians enjoy. Alchemy Through Dreams > combines elements of trippy electronica, world music, jazz, ambient > and dance. > > Alchemy Through Dreams starts off extremely ambient and dreamy > with 'Silence' and 'Event Horizon.' This sort of music lends itself > to a very mystical atmosphere with lots of chimes, soft guitars and > wave sounds. It definitely brought to mind soundtracks to films like > Legend and The Last Unicorn. > > The CD then changes pace with 'Agnosia' and 'Trip Hop Thing,' adding > a bit more beat and jazz feel. 'Trip Hop Thing' would definitely > please fans of Jamiroquai and similar light, upbeat electronica music. > > This shift in vibes is a constant throughout Alchemy. The sound moves > to almost a tribal beat with 'Masses,' and then to an ambient techno > beat in 'Into The Night' and 'Shadow Puppets.' The most surreal part > of the CD is actually the closing: a cover of 'Dream A Little Dream > Of Me,' the only song that includes lead vocals. > > It's hard to compare Mortal Loom to other bands, but fans of Enigma, > Enya, Tangerine Dream, Delirium and other crossover electronica acts > should enjoy them. > > > Internet: www.gatemusic.com/mortalloom > > e-mail: mortal@g... > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: Victor Rek Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 3:42 am Subject: SwampPack 21 Offer to Celebrate Okefenokee 2001 TD Fan Event Dear TD fans, Like last year for Okefenokee 2000, I sold a SwampPack 11 to help pay for some of the costs incurred in organizing the event. Last year the SwampPack had 11 items, this year it has 21 items! SwampPak 21 contains: 7' singles 1. Warsaw in the Sun/Polish Dance w/PS - Germany blue label 2. Das Madchen auf der Treppe/Katja w/PS - Germany 3. Peter Baumann - Realtimes/Repeat Repeat w/PS (vg) - Germany 4. Michael Hoenig - Departure from the Northern Wasteland Excerpt I/Excerpt II - US Promo w/PS (rare) Posters & Miscellaneous: 5. Chris Franke London Concert release poster (large/folded) 6. Mars Polaris studio release poster autographed by Edgar & Jerome (medium/folded) 7. KlangArt poster for Mars Polaris Concert 6/26/99 (large/rolled) 8. Rockoon tour B&W poster (medium/rolled) 9. 220 Volt Live Video release poster (medium-small/rolled) 10. Great Wall of China - Extra large t-shirt (new) Soundtrack CDs: 11. Thief - Japanese (scarce, no OBI) 12. The Park is Mine - US (saw mark on spine) 13. Miracle Mile - US (diff. print on CD) 14. Jim & Pablo (Der Meteor) - Germany 15. Great Wall of China - Germany 16. Sony Center - Topping Out Ceremony Score (very scarce now) Promo CD singles: 17. Tyranny of Beauty - UD 5-track promo 18. Tangents 1973-1983 10-track promo sampler - US white disc Rare Solo CDs: 19. Michael Hoenig - Xcept One - US Cinema (booklet vg+) 20. Steve Schroyder (Star Sounds Orchestra) - Kosmophonon - Germany CMS (digipak vg+) 21. Special Mystery Bonus ????? Also, the winner will receive a promo CD-R of the Oke-2001 event and possibly some other goodies from the even - depending on what's available. This is a nice package for anyone starting to collect TD or for fans that need some rare items and trade items.. I hope you can support this Oke event and get in the drawing for the SwampPack 21! To WIN/BUY this SwampPack, you must send me an e-mail within 21 days saying that you wish to purchase the SwampPack for $ 321.00. This includes all items above plus any possible bonus items and postage to anywhere to the world. The deadline is March 31, 2001 which is 21 days from now (3/11-3/31). If I receive more than one order, then I will hold a drawing on Sunday April 1, 2001 to announce the winner. The Oke-2001 event goes from April 20-24, 2001 at the Okefenokee Swamp in Georgia, USA. About 20+ people are attending so far... Thanks for participating! From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 3:47 am Subject: Off-topic (synth, Virus a) Hello all Just wanted to let you know, if anyone of all you musicians out there should have an old Virus a, there is an update for this machine on it's way. That company never sieze to amaze me, I mean this update is for a discontinued product. Just a little info, sorry about that!!! Jan From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 3:08 pm Subject: top 5 Eddy & Jerry This is getting like Eurovision......... Can't remember what the titles were as I don't keep posts for very long. 1 Valentine Wheels 2 Tournado 3 220 Volt 4 Mars Polaris 5 Oasis and I like Zoning so that gets 6th Place. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 3:20 pm Subject: Shepherd Bush I'm going to enjoy the show for what it is. They've done so much over the years I don't remember what tracks are on what CD's / vinyl. I'm happy to herar it anyway. As you can see from my top 5, I prefer the live to the studio. I expect the format will be similar to 96 / 97....an old section, a modern section and an encore to plug the latest CD single on sale at the concert. David PS Does anybody know the words to Sgt.Pepper? TD have done a kind of tribute to the Beatles. I think we could wrire a tribute the other way. 'It was 30 years ago today that Eddy and friends began to play.......... Electronic's been going in and out of style.....but guaranteed to stay a while......' Anyone want to take this further? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 9:32 am Subject: Re.Moon on the green Hi all you out there planning to meet at the Moon on the Green you may have noticed from joe's site that after I tried to get hold of this pub it was not listed in directory enquiries have since found out it has changed it's name to Harveys. I have spoken to them re May 12th unfortunately the boss is on hols til 26/03/01,the only concern from the person I spoke to was QPR football fans (didnt' think they had that many)but I think this is FA cup final day so they should not be playing anyway. I will ring them again giving them some idea how many will be invading them after the 26th. Cheers Gary. From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 9:41 am Subject: devious bastards that TD / TDI have become, you can be 'devious bastards that TD / TDI have become, you can be. . .' Now - this is funny and I fear in some ways very, very true. But, I to love them anyway. From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 3:39 pm Subject: Vulcano album? The All Music Guide site (http://www.allmusic.com) lists a TD album named Vulcano (do a search by Album and you'll find it at once). Reading its track listing, this is obviously disc #5 of Tangents, but my question is: was this disc ever released off the Tangents box set and sold as 'Vulcano'? Antonio Nunes np: Tangents disc 5 From: 'Greg' Date: Mon Mar 12, 2001 2:13 pm Subject: Top 5 Eddy & Jerry 1) Oasis 2( Tyranny of Beauty 3) Mars Polaris 4( Great Wall of China 5) Timesquare: Dream Mixes II NP: DJ Balloon - Monstersound Live Mix Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26415 Re: Top 5 Eddy & Jerry Nigbur D Thu 3/15/2001 1 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 12, 2001 3:04 pm Subject: RE: The spamming of [tadream] by Mortal Loom... yeah, that was spam. we got some other spam a week or so ago about Orb, too. I reset the list to new subber moderation. new subbers stay there until we upgrade them. posts from new subbers don't go thru until approved or the user is upgraded. > -----Original Message----- > From: j.gordon [mailto:ssaalyersjj@y...] > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:35 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: The spamming of [tadream] by Mortal Loom... > > > what's this? spam? here... > > no, no, no, you must be mistaken, this is a proper list... no > spam here... > > please... > > j.g > > man, i never realized how absoulutely tired i am of people > pushing there stuff, > regardless of how good it is... > > > > --- mortalloom@y... wrote: > > > > Mortal Loom covers so many genres that it is hard to define them, > > which is generally something musicians enjoy. Alchemy > Through Dreams > > combines elements of trippy electronica, world music, jazz, ambient > > and dance. > > > > Alchemy Through Dreams starts off extremely ambient and dreamy > > with 'Silence' and 'Event Horizon.' This sort of music lends itself > > to a very mystical atmosphere with lots of chimes, soft guitars and > > wave sounds. It definitely brought to mind soundtracks to > films like > > Legend and The Last Unicorn. > > > > The CD then changes pace with 'Agnosia' and 'Trip Hop > Thing,' adding > > a bit more beat and jazz feel. 'Trip Hop Thing' would definitely > > please fans of Jamiroquai and similar light, upbeat > electronica music. > > > > This shift in vibes is a constant throughout Alchemy. The > sound moves > > to almost a tribal beat with 'Masses,' and then to an > ambient techno > > beat in 'Into The Night' and 'Shadow Puppets.' The most > surreal part > > of the CD is actually the closing: a cover of 'Dream A Little Dream > > Of Me,' the only song that includes lead vocals. > > > > It's hard to compare Mortal Loom to other bands, but fans > of Enigma, > > Enya, Tangerine Dream, Delirium and other crossover > electronica acts > > should enjoy them. > > > > > > Internet: www.gatemusic.com/mortalloom > > > > e-mail: mortal@g... > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire > in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 1:01 pm Subject: Enjoy it while it lasts Dennis sez: >Hello all, and it's good to be back again and see so many familiar >faces... > >I just retrieved the information about TD's forthcoming visit to the >Shepherd's Bush. The only slightly disconcerting aspect of this is >that the gig is announced on the Dream Mixes web page as 'Dream >Mixes >on Stage', or something the like. > >Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., >Mars >Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of >Dream Mixes material? > >As much as I enjoyed the first two Dream Mixes, I don't think I'd >visit a concert for them... One thing I've become quite conscious of recently is how old Edgar and that whole generation of rock musicians is getting. They're in sight of retirement age from normal jobs, and most of them are clearly within sight of the end of their careers. There will probably only ever be one more Pink Floyd album and tour, Tina Turner has turned 60, Genesis has shut up shop, Mick Jagger worries that he might not be able to manage another tour with the Rolling Stones, etc. etc. I reckon that we no longer have the luxury of waiting for the next time if we don't care for what's on offer this time - we're past the point where the next time is guaranteed. (Strange how there's a lot of 'denial' about this, particularly in the music press. I read a piece only a couple of years ago which referred to Pink Floyd as 'moving into middle age'. They've been middle-aged for the last 20 years - out-and-out *old* age is next on their agenda.) I long ago ceased to have anything like a keen interest in TD. I've bought only a small percentage of their releases over the last 5 years or so. Even so, I'll be there in May to pay respect to the last remaining TD hero because it could well be the last time that TD with Edgar visits the UK. Similary, I expect little from the Dante concert in Berlin (pop composers trying to do classical music is usually buttock-clenchingly embarrassing) but I'll probably go because, well, it'll be an experience, if nothing else. So...if you have the opportunity, enjoy it while it lasts is my advice. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26413 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Nigbur D Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26424 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26425 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Joel S. Mullen Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26428 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Feldon Feldon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26431 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26434 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Gary Jenkins Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26435 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26436 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts lawlermusic Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26444 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Frank Arellano Thu 3/15/2001 4 KB From: Victor Rek Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:00 pm Subject: Festival Alter Musik Two Questions: 1. Have all the dates (or at least approximate time frame) been posted for the the TD Trilogy concerts? Berlin (Berlin) - Atlanta - Sydney I'm already making plans for the Oct. 7th Berlin show. 2. I read on a website that the 'Oasis' soundtrack was released in UK on the Blueprint label? Is this true? I have never heard of such a release? Thanks for any comments. Vic [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26385 Re: Festival Alter Musik Heiko Heerssen Tue 3/13/2001 3 KB 26386 Re: Festival Alter Musik glynn_naughton@h... Tue 3/13/2001 2 KB 26387 Re: Festival Alter Musik Victor Rek Tue 3/13/2001 3 KB 26388 Re: Festival Alter Musik TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Tue 3/13/2001 2 KB 26394 Re.: Festival Alter Musik Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26395 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26397 Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26399 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26405 Re: Festival Alter Musik Armin Theissen Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Festival Alter Musik Victor Rek schrieb: > Two Questions: > > 1. Have all the dates (or at least approximate time frame) been posted > for the the TD Trilogy concerts? > Berlin (Berlin) - Atlanta - Sydney I know that Edgar announced some dates in the latest 'Elektro Beats' show on Radio Eins Brandenburg which took place last December, but at the moment I can't remember the exact time frame (but I guess it was something like Atlanta in 2003 and Sydney in 2005/06 or something) > I'm already making plans for the Oct. 7th Berlin show. For anyone who already ordered a ticket for this show, about an hour ago I phoned the Bernau Promotion Agency and a young lady told me that they will start selling tickets in about 1-2 weeks, right now it's too early for distribution. Those who already ordered their ticket will either get a phone call or an e-mail. Most of the tickets are for unreserved seats, but since I ordered a ticket 2 1/2 weeks ago I hope to get a ticket for a reserved seat (which is much more expensive, ca. US$40 instead of US$20). One thing that puzzles me is why there is no mention on the TDI sites about this concert anymore. It seems that only very few tickets are still for sale! Heiko From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:18 pm Subject: Re: Festival Alter Musik --- In tadream@y..., Victor Rek wrote: > Two Questions: > > 1. Have all the dates (or at least approximate time frame) been posted > for the the TD Trilogy concerts? > Berlin (Berlin) - Atlanta - Sydney > > I'm already making plans for the Oct. 7th Berlin show. > > 2. I read on a website that the 'Oasis' soundtrack was released in UK > on the Blueprint label? Is this true? I have never heard of such a > release? > > Thanks for any comments. Vic > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Vik, when you say making plans I hope you mean travel plans based around tickets that you've already got, because a post to tangerinedream today sez that the concert is sold out. Bummer. Glynn From: Victor Rek Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Festival Alter Musik I'm trying to get tickets right now. It looks like they may still be available based upon the latest post. Anyway, if anybody has an extra, count me in! glynn_naughton@h... wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., Victor Rek wrote: > > Two Questions: > > > > 1. Have all the dates (or at least approximate time frame) been > posted > > for the the TD Trilogy concerts? > > Berlin (Berlin) - Atlanta - Sydney > > > > I'm already making plans for the Oct. 7th Berlin show. > > > > 2. I read on a website that the 'Oasis' soundtrack was released in > UK > > on the Blueprint label? Is this true? I have never heard of such a > > release? > > > > Thanks for any comments. Vic > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Vik, when you say making plans I hope you mean travel plans based > around tickets that you've already got, because a post to > tangerinedream today sez that the concert is sold out. Bummer. > > Glynn > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26388 Re: Festival Alter Musik TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Tue 3/13/2001 2 KB 26394 Re.: Festival Alter Musik Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26395 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26397 Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26399 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26405 Re: Festival Alter Musik Armin Theissen Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Date: Mon Mar 12, 2001 3:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Festival Alter Musik Hi all, for reserving tickets for Bernau, October 7th, visit: www.altemusik.de The site is in German, unfortunately. Click on 'Reservierung' and fill out the form. Select the number of tickets you wish to obtain for the TD- show (last in the row) and click on 'send' (abschicken). You will then be notified. It might help to note that you are not a German speaker in the 'comments'- section. The organizers are a friendly lot and I´m sure they´ll help you out. There are still tickets available, but they are selling fast. Hope this helps ... and sheds some light. Best regards, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26394 Re.: Festival Alter Musik Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26395 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26397 Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26399 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26405 Re: Festival Alter Musik Armin Theissen Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 5:48 pm Subject: Klemania / Antique Dreams Hi all, what is the general view on Christopher Franke's solo album Klemania? I've just got it, put it on and it's excellent but not as expected. Very influenced by the KLF strangely. I keep expecting someone to chant 'What time is love'? I like the reinvention of the sound into the modern era but can imagine many wouldn't. Incidentally I got Antique Dreams, isn't it fantastic? Really storming selections that didn't deserve obscurity for these years. Particularly proud to see a Nottingham track there as it's my home town. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26390 Re: Klemania / Antique Dreams Joe Shoults Tue 3/13/2001 2 KB 26391 Re: Klemania / Antique Dreams Feldon Feldon Tue 3/13/2001 3 KB 26392 Re: Klemania / Antique Dreams Michal Moroz Tue 3/13/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 6:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Klemania / Antique Dreams for reference, you may listen to this album on our 'AudioFiles' page at http://www.tadream.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Coyle [mailto:markcoyleuk@y...] > Hi all, > what is the general view on Christopher Franke's solo album Klemania? > > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klemania / Antique Dreams >From: 'Mark Coyle' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Klemania / Antique Dreams >Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:48:48 -0000 > >Incidentally I got Antique Dreams, isn't it fantastic? Really storming >selections >that didn't deserve obscurity for these years. Particularly proud to see a >Nottingham track there as it's my home town. -------------------------------- From: 'Hermes Guzman' Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com To: tadream@egroups.com Subject: [tadream] Antique Dreams review Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:06:57 -0000 'Phaedra of Nottingham'- Not at all from Nottingham '90, but from an unknown '88 show instead. And not even necessary, as we already have [the] new version on _Tangents_. This one is as performed in the '88 set, with Edgar once again forgetting to edit out the next track [track 2 of Livemiles]. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klemania / Antique Dreams >Hi all, > >what is the general view on Christopher Franke's solo album Klemania? > Klemania is for me one of my three best electronic music cd's ever heard. Wonderful music. Michal Moroz aka Stacja Mir (in english Mir Station) :) From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 7:40 am Subject: KLEM 1989 CD sampler on eBAY Hello, for anyone who's interested, I put a copy of the rare KLEM 'Electronische Muziek' CD sampler (No. 243/1000) on eBAY, this includes rare tracks like 'Lost tale' by TD, 'Vermilion sands' by C. Franke, 'Unikat' by Klaus Schulze, plus tracks by Ron Boots, Peru, Patrick Kosmos, Bernd Kistenmacher, Gandalf, and Walter Christian Rothe The URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1416754791 Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26403 Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 10:48 am Subject: Re.: Festival Alter Musik On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak wrote: > Hi all, > for reserving tickets for Bernau, October 7th, visit: > www.altemusik.de > The site is in German, unfortunately. Click on 'Reservierung' and fill out > the form. Select the number of tickets you wish to obtain for the TD- show > (last in the row) and click on 'send' (abschicken). You will then be > notified. It might help to note that you are not a German speaker in the > 'comments'- section. The organizers are a friendly lot and I´m sure they´ll > help you out. Hi! Thank for the message, Martin. Unfortunately you'll get an error-message when you try so send the formular. I called them by phone and told them about the error. I did my reservation by telephone. It's true: HURRY! The good places in the middle are sold out :-(. I got one ticket for the balkony only. Who's going to this event? Bernau is approx. 50 km on the outside of Berlin. I'll try to get a hotel in Bernau ASAP. There is a 'Fremdenverkehrsamt' (Foreign Information Center) in Bernau. Telephone is: (Germany) (0) 3338 761919. If I have some more infos (name of a hotel, telephone number) I'll send a message to the list. See you in a) London b) Osnabrueck (Schulze) and c) Bernau! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26395 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26397 Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26399 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 1:22 pm Subject: Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Rainer Rutka wrote: > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > > Hi all, > > for reserving tickets for Bernau, October 7th, visit: > > www.altemusik.de OK! Here is a nice and cheap hotel just 5 minutes away from the place where the concert is: Forum Hotel Bernau telephone: Germany (+49) (0)3338 / 600 200 ask for Frau Grecksch DM 79,- for a single-room including breakfast (only!!!!) They do have some rooms available. Order your room now, before it's too late. I told Frau Grecksch about the event (she didn't knew something about it!) and 'warned' her that it's possible she will get some more reservations. Hope that helps! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26397 Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26399 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB From: 'Bennett' Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 1:34 pm Subject: Timesquare I have not listened to Timesquare for awhile. I thought it was OK, but not a favorite. But this time, the title track Timesquare really caught on for me. Timesquare is an incredible track! I don't know how to describe it as well as some on this list, but I really enjoy the way it slowly develops. I like the deep 'grinding' noises that develop into great low bass rhythms and the catchy tune that keeps coming around. I hope they play this one live in the upcoming tour. BTW, Any inside info on progress of US tour plans? I'm making summer plans and wish I knew their schedule. --Bennett Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26400 Re: Timesquare PENFOLD Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 1:45 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Hi! Infos for the Klaus Schulze event in Osnabrueck (9th of June): Card: DM 47,30 / each They accept only (euro-)cheques. Send 2 letters: 1 with the cheque and 1 for the return-mail (including your address) to: Stadhalle Osnabrueck, Schlosswall 1-9, D-49074 Osnabrueck. Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Online reservation for TD concert October 7th, Bernau just adding my own experience... just talked to the Alter Musik people and reserved my place to get a ticket near the end of may, i believe she said... she said they would contact me by phone or email then and talk about tickets... hmmmm... when i asked if there were still tickets, she said: 'For you, there will surely be a ticket...' i don't think that means my sexy (and very heavy) American accent wooed over this Berliner... i think it means things is gettin' a bit tight... would recommend gettin' while the gettin' is good... =) good luck all... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 2:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU hey, rainer (et al.)... just thought i'd let you know, frau g. had already gone home, and i spoke to a very nice young lady and resevred a room... however, based on experience, instead of asking what the price was, i just confirmed what info you had given... 'so the room is DM 79, right?' and she said, 'well, actually, it's DM 99, but DM 79 is okay...' i'll tell ya, my accent must be wowin' 'em today... slick-tongued devil that i am... =) see you all there (hopefully...) j.gordon --- Rainer Rutka wrote: > On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Rainer Rutka wrote: > > > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > for reserving tickets for Bernau, October 7th, visit: > > > www.altemusik.de > > OK! > Here is a nice and cheap hotel just 5 minutes away from the > place where the concert is: > > Forum Hotel Bernau > telephone: Germany (+49) (0)3338 / 600 200 > ask for Frau Grecksch > > DM 79,- for a single-room including breakfast (only!!!!) > They do have some rooms available. > Order your room now, before it's too late. > I told Frau Grecksch about the event (she didn't knew something about it!) > and 'warned' her that it's possible she will get some more reservations. > > Hope that helps! > > Rainer > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > www.rutka.de/td > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 8:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Timesquare At 01.03.14 06:34, Bennett wrote: >BTW, Any inside info on progress of US tour plans? I'm making summer >plans and wish I knew their schedule. I wish I knew as well. My wife likes most of TD's stuff and relishes the opportunity to see them live for the first time. Unfortunately, we have a friend who's getting married on June 30 with a hell of a party to go with it, so I'm a little conflicted here. As for my other Summer Plans? The annual trek to Nevada's Black Rock Desert to blow off steam and spin TD Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: antics@h... Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 8:29 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream - the cocktail. Hello unto you. Having lunch recently at the Firehouse in Santa Monica, California, I noticed a rather curious mixed drink on the menu. It seemed to be a recent development. It was called the 'Tangerine Dream' - comprised of some parts Absolut Mandarin and Cointreau. Also, one of those juice companies has a drink called the 'Tangerine Scream', comprised of some parts of the usual citrus fruit. Can the Academy Award for Best Cocktail in a Motion Picture be terribly far behind? Regards, David Cotner, \\\ http://www.hertz-lion.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 9:58 pm Subject: pop composers classical music TD vehicle >(pop composers trying to do classical music is usually buttock-clenchingly embarrassing) right, like covering pachelbel's canon..... bleah, a horrible cover by virtually every newage group that were around. As for the speculation that with edgar's permission, jerome takes out the keys to the vehicle that is TD, I think it's more akin to Dali signing blank canvasses with whomever left to do the painting. --teiwaz np okefenokee dreams (or why I still love electronic music) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26482 Re: pop composers classical music TD vehicle Deborah Johnson Fri 3/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 5:02 am Subject: Artist???? (off-topic) Hi everyone A few years back I saw a program on the television about computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I always wanted to know who was. Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html Thanks in advanced. Jan From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 6:11 am Subject: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Well, I wouldn't want to disappoint anyone so I will live up to my rogueish reputation. There haven't been any reviews in a long time, it looks like my campaign to get bootlegs discussed fizzled, so I'll start spewing Solo reviews on a weekly. Feel free to ignore or join the fun. I'm not collecting these things so I hope someone is. As a good counter to my constant Edgar-bashing, here's my review of the aural treat, Epsilon in Malaysian Pale... Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (16'27') Great ambient introduction which brings us into Rubyconesque melody lines. Without the sequencing of Chris and Peter, of course most of Edgar's solo works are slightly more noodlings and sound like solo work. There's nothing wrong with this at all. I hate to say it because of the negative connotations, but it CAN be seen a bit like Modern Art. Some people hate it, some people love it, and sometimes its merits are as much on the circumstances surrounding the production as the production itself. If this were credited to 3 people, I'd scratch my head a bit. As 1 person doing it (whether EF had the use of multitrack editing or not is moot), it's good stuff. To me, Phaedra, Rubycon, Encore, and Force Majeure stand on their own two feet. Epsilon, you have to realize this is one man doing it, and better than most of the other solo work on the older keyboards I've heard. (Although Airsculpture's Jodrell Bank concert whips the llama's ass too!) Great sequencing here at 11:30. Epsilon is not a solid 16 1/2 minute track, it has chapters or segments. I guess Edgar just split it the same way the LP was split. There's a short sequence at the end which is a nice endcap. [Maroubra Bay (16'56')] Hah! I had this as background music while answering other e-mails, loved it death, and proceeded to fail to review it piece by piece! Drat! Guess I have to rewind and listen to it again! (hmm, maybe I subconsciously did that on purpose so I could hear it again). I guess I'd better listen again... From the cacophonic introduction, to the next passage--which gives me the same chills and future shock as the Blade Runner soundtrack--to the great sequence with the same string lines are all great. This sequence stretches from the 4 minute mark to just past the 14 minute mark. Some might say that's too long for an unchanging sequence (without Chris behind the wheel, it's not that surprising) but I didn't find it objectionable. The end here is, again, a nice endcap like Epsilon had. This album is definately must-own as are most of Edgar's solo efforts. Cheers, Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26408 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] scfeldman@j... Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26412 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Joe Shoults Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26417 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Feldon Feldon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26419 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] rbrown4856@a... Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26420 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26421 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26429 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Gary Jenkins Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26423 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Joe Shoults Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26427 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:27 am Subject: Re: Festival Alter Musik hi, > > for reserving tickets for Bernau, October 7th, visit: > www.altemusik.de damn, I'll be still in Hawaii with my girlfriend... :-) Well, I guess I'll make holiday plans for Atlanta and Sydney then. cheers armin From: 'E Neal FFrost' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 3:57 am Subject: Change of address Hello guys, It has become necessary for me to go out and get myself a change of address. My name is staying the same, however, I no longer live at Earthlink.net...I now live @bellsouth.net. So to ALL the people that might find it necessary to contact me, (and he knows who he is...) Please make a note of the address change. And with this change of address, I will also be putting a websight together. It won't be anything spectacular, butit will be me... Have a great day all. Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34718 Change of address Conrad Gibbons Mon 7/8/2002 2 KB From: strat95@b... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:23 am Subject: Okee Dreams David Brewer, Please contact me off list. I have lost your last post 'in the move' and would still like to get the Okeefanokee Dreams disc from you. Sorry for the off post, dudes. Neal From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 6:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE is the single best TD-related recording *ever*, in this TD fanboy's opinion. Yep, I like it even more than RUBYCON . . . and RICOCHET. -- Steven Feldman + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon wrote: > > A few years back I saw a program on the television about > computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I always wanted to > know who was. > > Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? > http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html Jan, I'd like to help you, but my browser seems to be unable to locate the server named 'www.pergamon.dk'. It says that 'the server does not have a DNS entry'. Is anyone else having a similar problem, or should I blame my ISP? Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26410 Re: Artist???? (off-topic) j.gordon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26422 Re: Artist???? (off-topic) Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26438 SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26439 Re: Artist???? (off-topic) Frank Arellano Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26442 Re: Artist???? (off-topic) Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26443 SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26446 Solved at last: Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26458 Re: Artist???? (off-topic) E Neal FFrost Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 2:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) i was able to connet to it directly and download the mp3... unfortunately, i have no idea who this is... btw, i'm in switzerland... j.gordon --- Antonio Nunes wrote: > > > Pergamon wrote: > > > > A few years back I saw a program on the television about > > computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I always wanted to > > know who was. > > > > Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? > > http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html > > > Jan, I'd like to help you, but my browser seems to be unable to locate > the server named 'www.pergamon.dk'. It says that 'the server does not > have a DNS entry'. Is anyone else having a similar problem, or should I > blame my ISP? > > Antonio Nunes > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:11 pm Subject: Classic Rock Hello there, Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but the upcoming Shepherds Bush bash is being sponsored/organised by the magazine _Classic Rock_. In the March issue it sez: 'Here's some great news for fans of Krautrock. _Classic Rock_ are flying in Tangerine Dream to play a one-off UK show at London Shepherds Bush Empire on May 12. The hugely influential German band, whose last album was 1999's _Mars Polaris_, have not played the UK in four years, so it promises to be a real treat. On April 24, the band will also release _Dream Mixes III_, the latest album in their ongoing remix series. Tangerine Dream were founded by Edgar Froese and have existed since 1967 and they now have an unbelievable 85 official CDs on the market - although time will obviously prevent them from playing something from each disc! That said, they are renowned for playing sets of up to four hours long.' It doesn't take a genius to work out, therefore, that the magazine will probably carry an article/interview with TD around the time of the concert, and a concert review. Watch that space. It's also an interesting magazine to check out for those who, like me, remember the days of the so-called New Wave of British Heavy Metal (Saxon, UFO, Judas Priest, Diamond Head, the Friday Rock Show with 'TV on the radio' Tommy Vance, etc.) from the early 80s. Most of the writers are the writers from _Kerrang!_ from that period, the style is similar, the bands are still around (albeit with paunches and thinning hair now). It's fun, but a bit spooky, to step back into 1981. Have these people been living there for the last two decades? Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26430 Re: Classic Rock David Foster Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] I think all we needed was for someone to step up to the plate, Morgan. thanks! Do you have a list of the solo albums that we can go through in order, like Lawry made for the album discussions? I'll publish that on tadream.net, and we can set up weekly reminders on the group calendar. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] > campaign to get bootlegs discussed fizzled, so I'll start > spewing Solo > reviews on a weekly. Feel free to ignore or join the fun. I'm > not collecting > these things so I hope someone is. From: Nigbur D Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Enjoy it while it lasts > ---------- > From: glynn_naughton@h...[SMTP:glynn_naughton@h...] > > > One thing I've become quite conscious of recently is how old Edgar > and that whole generation of rock musicians is getting. They're in > sight of retirement age from normal jobs, and most of them are > clearly within sight of the end of their careers. There will probably > only ever be one more Pink Floyd album and tour, Tina Turner has > turned 60, Genesis has shut up shop, Mick Jagger worries that he > might not be able to manage another tour with the Rolling Stones, > etc. etc. I reckon that we no longer have the luxury of waiting for > the next time if we don't care for what's on offer this time - we're > past the point where the next time is guaranteed. > I take your point about this, and I will be at the Bush if I manage to secure a ticket. But isn't the plan that Jerome will take over TD when Edgar retires? Yes, this may cause a change in direction for TD, but with the latest albums being of such good quality, the indications seem to be that TD would be in safe hands with Froese jr. Dennis From: Nigbur D Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Festival Alter Musik ??? What's this all about? ??? Dennis > ---------- > From: Heiko Heerssen[SMTP:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 13 March 2001 14:18 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Festival Alter Musik > > > > Victor Rek schrieb: > > > Two Questions: > > > > 1. Have all the dates (or at least approximate time frame) been posted > > for the the TD Trilogy concerts? > > Berlin (Berlin) - Atlanta - Sydney > > I know that Edgar announced some dates in the latest 'Elektro Beats' show > on > Radio Eins Brandenburg which took place last December, but at the moment I > can't remember the exact time frame (but I guess it was something like > Atlanta in 2003 and Sydney in 2005/06 or something) > > > I'm already making plans for the Oct. 7th Berlin show. > > For anyone who already ordered a ticket for this show, about an hour ago I > phoned the Bernau Promotion Agency and a young lady told me that they will > start selling tickets in about 1-2 weeks, right now it's too early for > distribution. Those who already ordered their ticket will either get a > phone > call or an e-mail. Most of the tickets are for unreserved seats, but since > I > ordered a ticket 2 1/2 weeks ago I hope to get a ticket for a reserved > seat > (which is much more expensive, ca. US$40 instead of US$20). One thing that > puzzles me is why there is no mention on the TDI sites about this concert > anymore. It seems that only very few tickets are still for sale! > > Heiko > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26416 Re: Festival Alter Musik j.gordon Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: Nigbur D Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Top 5 Eddy & Jerry (1) Mars Polaris (2) Transsiberia (3) Seven Letters (4) What a Blast (5) Oasis Dennis From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Festival Alter Musik > ??? What's this all about? ??? > > Dennis > it seems, dennis, that TD is holding a trilogy of concerts, dealing with Dante in Music (meaning a classical thingy), to be heald in three different cities... the first of these concerts is to be held just outside of Berlin on Oct 7th... i think one of the next cities will be in australia... the third i don't remember... it also seems that the concerts will be spread out over several years, which casts a strange shadow over all the talk of edgar giving over the keys (quite a nasty pun) to his son... better have the VST home by midnight, son... ah, dad... anyway... till Oct 7th all... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 5:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Well, I certainly don't have a comprehensive list. Here's what I have direct access to: Chris Franke - London Concert Chris Franke - Klemania Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquility (orig) Johannes Schmoelling - Wuivend Reit Johannes Schmoelling - White Out (orig) Edgar Froese - Ages Edgar Froese - Aqua Edgar Froese - Epsilon Edgar Froese - Kamikaze Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer Edgar Froese - Pinnacles Edgar Froese - Stuntman Someone else will have to pick up the slack on Paul Haslinger, Peter Baumann, any Chris Franke or Edgar Froese I'm missing (including the Beyond the Storm compilation). -Morgan >From: Joe Shoults >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Subject: RE: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:17:40 -0500 > >I think all we needed was for someone to step up to the plate, Morgan. >thanks! > >Do you have a list of the solo albums that we can go through in order, like >Lawry made for the album discussions? I'll publish that on tadream.net, >and >we can set up weekly reminders on the group calendar. > >Joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 5:54 pm Subject: Johannes Schmoelling 'White Out' Greetings All! If anyone is interested I have an extra, still sealed copy of the new remixed and rerecorded version of the classic White Out CD available for sell or trade.Contact me off-list if interested. Thanks! Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] In a message dated 3/15/01 8:37:44 AM Central Standard Time, scfeldman@j... writes: > 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. > At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is > is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' > -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 Thanks Steve! I'm glad someone kept this quote from me.I just hope I made a lasting impression about KS stuff. By the way,I have some Klaus stuff I would like to get rid of if anyone is interested.God knows I gave him enough chances! Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Hi Chris Franke also released Epic and the brilliant Pacific Coast Highway, plus Enchanting Nature and all the Babylon 5 albums. Baumann's solo was Phase By Phase wasn't it? (Could be wrong), I just have a compilation but it's fairly average. The best of them all of course if Michael Hoenig's Departure From A Northern Wasteland, a member of TD for live playing in the classic time, mid 70s but he couldn't record with them as he was contracted to another label as a solo artist. He also did a fantastic album (unreleased at the time) with Manuel Gottsching of Ashra Tempel and one solo album in the late 80s that's very hard to get. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Hi > > 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. > > At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is > > is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' > > -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 I think it depends on the album, his classics are brilliant but some are dull and some just don't gel at all. He released a huge amount of work and you have to find the sound and era that suits you. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26429 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Gary Jenkins Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Hi > A few years back I saw a program on the television about > computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I always wanted to > know who was. > > Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? > http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html I wouldn't be suprised if it's the now legendary computer animation showcase linked to the album of the same name 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' by Jan Hammer. I haven't checked the MP3 though. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26438 SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:45 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] agreed. I like a lot of Schulze very much, but some of it is too heavy-handed, esp. all the orchestral sounds. [strike!] which brings up a question: when we consider including a solo work by a former TD member in our weekly discussions, what exactly do we include? Most of them didn't do solo works while they were still in TD, so it would have to mean that we covered works *after* they left. Well, in the case of Schulze, we're talking a truckload of albums. how about we limit it to the first couple solo albums after they left TD? feedback? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Coyle [mailto:markcoyleuk@y...] > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:35 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] > > > Hi > > > > 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and > over and over. > > > At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because > some say he is > > > is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow > my brains out.' > > > -- posting to tadream@c... on > Tue, 30 Jun 1998 > > I think it depends on the album, his classics are brilliant > but some are dull and > some just don't gel at all. > He released a huge amount of work and you have to find the > sound and era that suits > you. > > cheers > Mark > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:44 pm Subject: Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Hi > > One thing I've become quite conscious of recently is how old Edgar > > and that whole generation of rock musicians is getting. They're in > > sight of retirement age from normal jobs, and most of them are > > clearly within sight of the end of their careers. True and goodness knows, they deserve the rest after their schedule of releases in the last 30 years. For me, the whole sound pioneered by TD and related artists is being carried on and explored excellent by a lot of recent, (probably younger) bands who have done work that is far in excess of recent TD (strangley) and often matches TD at their prime. I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release), Radio Massacre International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit, Wavestar, Air Sculpture, Van Zul, Under The Dome, Andy Pickford and many more. I really do believe that the work being produced by many artists of the EM scene is peaking again and producing work of excellent quality. While TD will be the primary influence and the originator, these bands should be heard and listened to. A suprising amount of TD fans never do and miss out on much excellent music. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts On Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:44 PM, Mark Coyle [SMTP:markcoyleuk@y...] wrote: <> > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release), Radio Massacre > International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ RedSh*t .......... hmmmmmm never heard of *them* ;-) From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze It's good to be the follower instead of the one out in front... I have never been blown away or even really entertained by Klaus' music. There is no evolution in a 40 minute track. OY! -Morgan >From: rbrown4856@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:05:03 EST > >In a message dated 3/15/01 8:37:44 AM Central Standard Time, >scfeldman@j... writes: > > > > 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. > > At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is > > is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' > > -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 > >Thanks Steve! > > I'm glad someone kept this quote from me.I just hope I made a lasting >impression about KS stuff. >By the way,I have some Klaus stuff I would like to get rid of if anyone is >interested.God knows I gave him enough chances! > >Rick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Hi > agreed. I like a lot of Schulze very much, but some of it is too > heavy-handed, esp. all the orchestral sounds. [strike!] I agree his classic work and incorporation of strings and so on isn't half as good as he thinks it is. The master of that is a chap called Stephen Bacchus who is astounding at it. Subtle and devastating but electronic too. He can also get off on a riff for 40 minutes that goes nowhere. > which brings up a question: when we consider including a solo work by a > former TD member in our weekly discussions, what exactly do we include? > Most of them didn't do solo works while they were still in TD, so it would > have to mean that we covered works *after* they left. Well, in the case of > Schulze, we're talking a truckload of albums. how about we limit it to the > first couple solo albums after they left TD? feedback? But in Schulze's case that would be fairly dull drone work (sub Zeit/Atem), Cyborg, Irrlicht and so on. Timewind and Moondawn etc are far better. For me Franke's work at its best is the top solo TD. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Joe, Too much salsa and red M&M's are to blame. -Morgan P.S. Someone forgot Free System Projeckt on that Who's Who list. >From: 'Joel S. Mullen' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:58:12 -0600 > > > >On Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:44 PM, Mark Coyle >[SMTP:markcoyleuk@y...] wrote: > ><> > > > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release), >Radio Massacre > > International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >RedSh*t .......... hmmmmmm never heard of *them* ;-) > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:11 pm Subject: Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] - > > > > > 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. > > > At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is > > > is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' > > > -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 > > Quite agree with this I find his music very boring I remember buying Dune the first album I got by him probably the worst EM I have ever listened too so bad I threw it out. Cheers Gary. Np.The Keep > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Rock Glynn said.................. It's also an interesting magazine to check out for those who, like > me, remember the days of the so-called New Wave of British Heavy > Metal (Saxon, UFO, Judas Priest, Diamond Head, the Friday Rock Show > with 'TV on the radio' Tommy Vance, etc.) from the early 80s. Most of > the writers are the writers from _Kerrang!_ from that period, the > style is similar, the bands are still around (albeit with paunches > and thinning hair now). It's fun, but a bit spooky, to step back into > 1981. Have these people been living there for the last two decades? > I recall I have in my collection somewhere a tape of Tommy Vance on Radio 1 playing some TD (Cloudburst flight may be) or another electronic act and he wasn't too nce about them! It was along the lines of the music scene being rife with that kind of rubbish....... How's laughing now, Tommy? Nice to see Classic Rock taking an interest. David > Glynn > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Hi > > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release), Radio Massacre > > International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit > > RedSh*t .......... hmmmmmm never heard of *them* ;-) Ho ho ho ho, ahem. Moving swiftly on. They are ace though, honestly......Gulp! cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26434 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Gary Jenkins Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] HI > I agree his classic work and incorporation of strings and so on isn't half as good as > he thinks it is. The master of that is a chap called Stephen Bacchus who is > astounding at it. Subtle and devastating but electronic too. He can also get off on > a riff for 40 minutes that goes nowhere. Schulze, not Bacchus that is. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 2:50 am Subject: Future of TD?? With all the recent talk and speculation surrounding the fact that Edgar might soon permanently pass over the TD reigns to Jerome, a couple of points struck me concerning the version of TD we see on stage. 1. The proposed trilogy of concerts at various locations around the world. It has been muted that it might take TD up to 2 years to complete this trilogy. It must have been in the planning stages for a long while now, and if that's the case, then surely Edgar would want to remain part of the band to complete this project, especialy as it seems to be classically-based. 2. Without Edgar, does anyone have any ideas on just how TD might plan to present themselves on stage in the future? Just Jerome, Zlatco and Emil? A new member to 'replace' Edgar? Trying to imagine TD on stage without him is very difficult, particularly when to all intents and purposes, he is Tangerine Dream! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26468 Re: Future of TD?? Nigbur D Fri 3/16/2001 3 KB 26470 Re: Future of TD?? Greg Fri 3/16/2001 3 KB 26471 Re: Future of TD?? Heiko Heerssen Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB 26475 Re: Future of TD?? Feldon Feldon Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB 26476 Re: Future of TD?? lawlermusic Fri 3/16/2001 3 KB 26481 Re: Future of TD?? Roger Hartopp Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB 26484 Re: Future of TD?? Deborah Johnson Sat 3/17/2001 2 KB 26490 Re: Future of TD?? Jack Kramer Sat 3/17/2001 2 KB 26491 Re: Future of TD?? Jack Kramer Sat 3/17/2001 3 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:34 pm Subject: Re: Enjoy it while it lasts - > Hi Talking of all these other artists I have listened to a few of them some you like some you don't I have two Cd's for sale/trade they are Fjord Transit- Air Sculpture and Appears to Vanish-Paul Ellis if interested please E-mail off list. cheers Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Hi > P.S. Someone forgot Free System Projeckt on that Who's Who list. Oddly I've not bought anything by them, or Dwellar At The Threshold, any thoughts on either? cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts > > <> > > > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release) Hey ! have some other people joined Arcane without me knowing ? and changed the title ? ; ) Reminds me of that great TD album 'Lily is a bitch' Ha! I`m a fine one to talk about spelingg . Paul From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: ALTERSTILL On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:42:49 -0000 'lawlermusic' writes: >>> I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release) > >Reminds me of that great TD album 'Lily is a bitch' >Ha! I`m a fine one to talk about spelingg . Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two Arcane releases? I ask this because I found the first one weak, while I found the second quite good. Also, why is ALTERSTILL a CD-R rather than a CD? > Paul -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'I remember someone coming up to me at work when I was listening to Music From The Hearts of Space--all concerned because the music was stuck, that it was playing the same thing over and over and over. My explanation that the piece was slowly evolving did not convince the skeptic.' -- Doug Daughtry , Space Music mailing list, 9/11/98 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26440 Re: ALTERSTILL Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 5 KB 26451 Re: ALTERSTILL lawlermusic Thu 3/15/2001 6 KB 26456 Re: ALTERSTILL Frank Arellano Thu 3/15/2001 7 KB 26460 Re: ALTERSTILL Mark Coyle Fri 3/16/2001 3 KB 26461 Re: ALTERSTILL lawlermusic Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB 26464 Re: ALTERSTILL Jack Kramer Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB 26473 Re: ALTERSTILL scfeldman@j... Fri 3/16/2001 4 KB 26489 Re: ALTERSTILL Jack Kramer Sat 3/17/2001 5 KB 26492 Re: ALTERSTILL Mark Coyle Sat 3/17/2001 4 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:06 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Hi Someone mentioned to me ones that this might be Yello, but I haven't been able to confirm that. Jan > Hi > > > A few years back I saw a program on the television about > > computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I > always wanted to > > know who was. > > > > Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? > > http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html > > I wouldn't be suprised if it's the now legendary computer > animation showcase linked > to the album of the same name 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' by Jan > Hammer. I haven't > checked the MP3 though. > > cheers > Mark > > _________________________________________________________ Do You > Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) I was thinking the same thing, Mark. I have it on CD. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Coyle' To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) > Hi > > > A few years back I saw a program on the television about > > computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I always wanted to > > know who was. > > > > Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? > > http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html > > I wouldn't be suprised if it's the now legendary computer animation showcase linked > to the album of the same name 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' by Jan Hammer. I haven't > checked the MP3 though. > > cheers > Mark > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL Hi > Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two Arcane > releases? I ask this because I found the first one weak, while I found > the second quite good. Also, why is ALTERSTILL a CD-R rather > than a CD? Afterstill, ahem, is reviewed as follows at the wallet swallowing SynthMusicDirect as follows: 'Messrs Schreck and Buchloch, enthused by the reaction to the 2nd incarnation of Arcane, have bowed to public demand and released this, a collection of mainly studio pieces which both precede and succeed the existing Arcane releases. 'Alterstill 1' is an incredible track taken from the 'Lupus' sessions, a period where they were further developing their melodic sequential style characterised by their 'Polish' concert tour in the late 70's. The track is quite simply one of the finest melody/sequencer fests you are likely to hear - with biting drum rhythms and crystalline effects inspired by the sub zero temperatures which they often endured on stage. Apparently Schreck commissioned custom built fan heaters to place in front of the modular systems, which didn't improve the tuning that much but at least kept his hands warm while manipulating the sequencer modules. Onto 'Alterstill 2', a slightly later piece which builds slowly and carefully develops an anthemic theme enhanced by trademark sequencing, the modern edge further influenced by the software sequencing and PPG samples which were in use at the time. This piece and the next 'Alterstill 3' were presented at the triumphant Jodrell Bank concert, and 'Alterstill 3' especially was met by cheers of wonderment such is the power and drive of the music. For this track the band were joined by synth rock-master Marcus Schrew, and Schreck especially expressed concern as to whether Marcus's bombastic approach was perhaps too commercial for the band, but the crowd reaction was emphatic and encouraged the band to release this studio version. Onto 'Alterstill 4', another track from the 'Lupus' sessions and perhaps the highlight of this set. Starting carefully with classic analogue effects, the piece then bursts into life with electronic syncopations which develop into the most infectious melodies you are ever likely to hear. Further lustre is added by the fact that the melody is picked out in classic Vangelis style, reminiscent of the 'China' period. Rumours abound that it is actually the V man guesting on the track, a story fuelled by their backstage meeting after Vangelis' London Drury Lane concert in '77. Finally we have 'Alterstill 5 - Live at Mount Festival', a piece originally recorded in 1977 on their 'Teach Yourself to Crash Cars' European tour, this particular version recorded at the infamous Milton Keynes Town Hall appearance where 2000 people tried to fit into a venue designed for 300, then rioted when Arcane, not Kraftwerk, walked on stage. This piece underlines how sensational the planned live album would have been, a project sadly cut short by Max Richter's pyrotechnic demise. Rumours abound that the full set of live tapes are still in tact and may yet see the light of day in a subsequent release. Choose your style - sequencing, melody, atmosphere, rhythm, power, dynamics - any combination, or anything in between. Arcane can produce it all, brilliantly. Buy without hesitation. (GG) ' Not sure why it's a CDR though. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Baumann's solo was Phase By Phase wasn't it? (Could be wrong), I just have a compilation but it's fairly average. *Well IMO the most TD like (and best) was Romace '76 > The best of them all of course if Michael Hoenig's Departure From A Northern > Wasteland, *I'll second that emotion..... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Hi > I was thinking the same thing, Mark. I have it on CD. > > I wouldn't be suprised if it's the now legendary computer animation > showcase linked > > to the album of the same name 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' by Jan Hammer. I > haven't > > checked the MP3 though. I remember my jaw almost physically dropping at that video. How far things have come in ten years!! Fairly good music too. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26443 SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26446 Solved at last: Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:29 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Hi Just went to CDnow and had a listen to the tracks from JH 'beyond the.....' and NO it's not from there. Jan > Hi > > > I was thinking the same thing, Mark. I have it on CD. > > > I wouldn't be suprised if it's the now legendary computer animation > > showcase linked > > > to the album of the same name 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' by Jan > Hammer. I > > haven't > > > checked the MP3 though. > > I remember my jaw almost physically dropping at that video. > How far things have come in ten years!! > Fairly good music too. > > cheers > Mark > > _________________________________________________________ Do You > Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26446 Solved at last: Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts I never have heard of Van Zul. I have heard of Van Zyle, but I haven't heard his music nor Nemesis', although I'm sure I will the latter. I agree these other EM groups have produced some great music, but my respect goes to TD, because they reinvested vast amounts of their own personal money in developing the technology in creating the sounds. Back then, it was a real physical workout to perform their music. It is much easier nowadays. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Coyle' To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:44 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts > Hi > > > > One thing I've become quite conscious of recently is how old Edgar > > > and that whole generation of rock musicians is getting. They're in > > > sight of retirement age from normal jobs, and most of them are > > > clearly within sight of the end of their careers. > > True and goodness knows, they deserve the rest after their schedule of releases in > the last 30 years. > > For me, the whole sound pioneered by TD and related artists is being carried on and > explored excellent by a lot of recent, (probably younger) bands who have done work > that is far in excess of recent TD (strangley) and often matches TD at their prime. > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release), Radio Massacre > International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit, Wavestar, Air Sculpture, Van Zul, > Under The Dome, Andy Pickford and many more. I really do believe that the work being > produced by many artists of the EM scene is peaking again and producing work of > excellent quality. While TD will be the primary influence and the originator, these > bands should be heard and listened to. A suprising amount of TD fans never do and > miss out on much excellent music. > > cheers > Mark > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26445 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Gary Jenkins Thu 3/15/2001 4 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:44 pm Subject: Re: Enjoy it while it lasts --- In tadream@y..., 'Frank Arellano' wrote: > I never have heard of Van Zul. I have heard of Van Zyle, but I haven't heard > his music nor Nemesis' > Hi Frank I can reccommend Sky Archeology by Nemesis try to get a listen really love this along with Arcane probably the best Em apart from TD I have heard recently. Cheers Gary. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Mark Coyle' > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:44 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts > > > > Hi > > > > > > One thing I've become quite conscious of recently is how old Edgar > > > > and that whole generation of rock musicians is getting. They're in > > > > sight of retirement age from normal jobs, and most of them are > > > > clearly within sight of the end of their careers. > > > > True and goodness knows, they deserve the rest after their schedule of > releases in > > the last 30 years. > > > > For me, the whole sound pioneered by TD and related artists is being > carried on and > > explored excellent by a lot of recent, (probably younger) bands who have > done work > > that is far in excess of recent TD (strangley) and often matches TD at > their prime. > > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release), > Radio Massacre > > International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit, Wavestar, Air Sculpture, > Van Zul, > > Under The Dome, Andy Pickford and many more. I really do believe that the > work being > > produced by many artists of the EM scene is peaking again and producing > work of > > excellent quality. While TD will be the primary influence and the > originator, these > > bands should be heard and listened to. A suprising amount of TD fans > never do and > > miss out on much excellent music. > > > > cheers > > Mark > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:57 pm Subject: Solved at last: Artist???? (off-topic) Hi everyone Thanks for ideas, suggestions etc etc, but the riddle has now been solved. A friend just emailed me, confirming that this is indeed Yello and the track is called 'Sweet thunder' featuring on the album 'Baby'. Thanks Jan From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 10:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Hi > > I never have heard of Van Zul. I have heard of Van Zyle, but I > haven't heard his music nor Nemesis' Check out SMD's reviews, good stuff! > > Hi Frank I can reccommend Sky Archeology by Nemesis try to get a > listen really love this along with Arcane probably the best Em apart > from TD I have heard recently. Their new one, Cyberiad is just as good. I should have mentioned Node too and Dom F Scab (what a name!) cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 10:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Hi > I agree these other EM groups have produced some great music, but my respect > goes to TD, because they reinvested vast amounts of their own personal money > in developing the technology in creating the sounds. Back then, it was a > real physical workout to perform their music. It is much easier nowadays. Oh I agree with the sentiment but the time is very different. Also, there really is no commercial outlet for most of the most, most EM releases probably involve a massive investment from the people making the music to get going, or get a first release. Many bands have to release albums as CDRs self-funding it. We can't be too harsh, after all, we would only listen to Bach if we did as he bought together the 12 note scale. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 10:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] I'd like a copy of Romance 76' if someone can help me out in any way possible / trade. Thanks in advance :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] > Baumann's solo was Phase By Phase wasn't it? (Could be wrong), I just have a > compilation but it's fairly average. > > *Well IMO the most TD like (and best) was Romace '76 > > > The best of them all of course if Michael Hoenig's Departure From A Northern > > Wasteland, > > *I'll second that emotion..... > Poly > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts I will, thanks Gary. Any relation to Steve Jenkins? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gary Jenkins' To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:44 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts > --- In tadream@y..., 'Frank Arellano' wrote: > > I never have heard of Van Zul. I have heard of Van Zyle, but I > haven't heard > > his music nor Nemesis' > > > Hi Frank I can reccommend Sky Archeology by Nemesis try to get a > listen really love this along with Arcane probably the best Em apart > from TD I have heard recently. > Cheers Gary. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Mark Coyle' > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:44 PM > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > One thing I've become quite conscious of recently is how old > Edgar > > > > > and that whole generation of rock musicians is getting. > They're in > > > > > sight of retirement age from normal jobs, and most of them are > > > > > clearly within sight of the end of their careers. > > > > > > True and goodness knows, they deserve the rest after their > schedule of > > releases in > > > the last 30 years. > > > > > > For me, the whole sound pioneered by TD and related artists is > being > > carried on and > > > explored excellent by a lot of recent, (probably younger) bands > who have > > done work > > > that is far in excess of recent TD (strangley) and often matches > TD at > > their prime. > > > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill > release), > > Radio Massacre > > > International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit, Wavestar, Air > Sculpture, > > Van Zul, > > > Under The Dome, Andy Pickford and many more. I really do believe > that the > > work being > > > produced by many artists of the EM scene is peaking again and > producing > > work of > > > excellent quality. While TD will be the primary influence and the > > originator, these > > > bands should be heard and listened to. A suprising amount of TD > fans > > never do and > > > miss out on much excellent music. > > > > > > cheers > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in > London! > > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26453 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Gary Jenkins Thu 3/15/2001 5 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 10:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL The SMD review was nothing to do with me . I read it first when the catalogue dropped through my door . Its a CDR because its not a full *new* album .The tracks were left over tracks that were meant for compilation albums that never got off the ground . I only intended to release it at mp3.com , but Dave Law wanted to release it as well . Its on CDR so I can get paid the same as I do from MP3.com . You cant blame for not doing it for free !!!!!! Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Coyle To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL > Hi > > > Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two Arcane > > releases? I ask this because I found the first one weak, while I found > > the second quite good. Also, why is ALTERSTILL a CD-R rather > > than a CD? > > Afterstill, ahem, is reviewed as follows at the wallet swallowing SynthMusicDirect as > follows: > > 'Messrs Schreck and Buchloch, enthused by the reaction to the 2nd incarnation of > Arcane, have bowed to public demand and released this, a collection of mainly studio > pieces which both precede and succeed the existing Arcane releases. > 'Alterstill 1' is an incredible track taken from the 'Lupus' sessions, a period where > they were further developing their melodic sequential style characterised by their > 'Polish' concert tour in the late 70's. The track is quite simply one of the finest > melody/sequencer fests you are likely to hear - with biting drum rhythms and > crystalline effects inspired by the sub zero temperatures which they often endured on > stage. Apparently Schreck commissioned custom built fan heaters to place in front of > the modular systems, which didn't improve the tuning that much but at least kept his > hands warm while manipulating the sequencer modules. > > Onto 'Alterstill 2', a slightly later piece which builds slowly and carefully > develops an anthemic theme enhanced by trademark sequencing, the modern edge further > influenced by the software sequencing and PPG samples which were in use at the time. > This piece and the next 'Alterstill 3' were presented at the triumphant Jodrell Bank > concert, and 'Alterstill 3' especially was met by cheers of wonderment such is the > power and drive of the music. For this track the band were joined by synth > rock-master Marcus Schrew, and Schreck especially expressed concern as to whether > Marcus's bombastic approach was perhaps too commercial for the band, but the crowd > reaction was emphatic and encouraged the band to release this studio version. > > Onto 'Alterstill 4', another track from the 'Lupus' sessions and perhaps the > highlight of this set. Starting carefully with classic analogue effects, the piece > then bursts into life with electronic syncopations which develop into the most > infectious melodies you are ever likely to hear. Further lustre is added by the fact > that the melody is picked out in classic Vangelis style, reminiscent of the 'China' > period. Rumours abound that it is actually the V man guesting on the track, a story > fuelled by their backstage meeting after Vangelis' London Drury Lane concert in '77. > Finally we have 'Alterstill 5 - Live at Mount Festival', a piece originally recorded > in 1977 on their 'Teach Yourself to Crash Cars' European tour, this particular > version recorded at the infamous Milton Keynes Town Hall appearance where 2000 people > tried to fit into a venue designed for 300, then rioted when Arcane, not Kraftwerk, > walked on stage. This piece underlines how sensational the planned live album would > have been, a project sadly cut short by Max Richter's pyrotechnic demise. Rumours > abound that the full set of live tapes are still in tact and may yet see the light of > day in a subsequent release. > > Choose your style - sequencing, melody, atmosphere, rhythm, power, dynamics - any > combination, or anything in between. Arcane can produce it all, brilliantly. Buy > without hesitation. (GG) ' > > Not sure why it's a CDR though. > > cheers > Mark > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 10:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] An eBay check only revealed LPs of Romance '76 (or any Peter Baumann for that matter) >From: 'Frank Arellano' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:23:07 -0700 > >I'd like a copy of Romance 76' if someone can help me out in any way >possible / trade. Thanks in advance :-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:07 pm Subject: Re: Enjoy it while it lasts --- In tadream@y..., 'Frank Arellano' wrote: > I will, thanks Gary. Any relation to Steve Jenkins? > No we are not related but actually just been in contact with him on a trade for Dreamwatchers Tales, unless he his the brother I never knew about lol Cheers Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Gary Jenkins' > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:44 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Frank Arellano' wrote: > > > I never have heard of Van Zul. I have heard of Van Zyle, but I > > haven't heard > > > his music nor Nemesis' > > > > > Hi Frank I can reccommend Sky Archeology by Nemesis try to get a > > listen really love this along with Arcane probably the best Em apart > > from TD I have heard recently. > > Cheers Gary. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: 'Mark Coyle' > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:44 PM > > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > One thing I've become quite conscious of recently is how old > > Edgar > > > > > > and that whole generation of rock musicians is getting. > > They're in > > > > > > sight of retirement age from normal jobs, and most of them are > > > > > > clearly within sight of the end of their careers. > > > > > > > > True and goodness knows, they deserve the rest after their > > schedule of > > > releases in > > > > the last 30 years. > > > > > > > > For me, the whole sound pioneered by TD and related artists is > > being > > > carried on and > > > > explored excellent by a lot of recent, (probably younger) bands > > who have > > > done work > > > > that is far in excess of recent TD (strangley) and often matches > > TD at > > > their prime. > > > > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill > > release), > > > Radio Massacre > > > > International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit, Wavestar, Air > > Sculpture, > > > Van Zul, > > > > Under The Dome, Andy Pickford and many more. I really do believe > > that the > > > work being > > > > produced by many artists of the EM scene is peaking again and > > producing > > > work of > > > > excellent quality. While TD will be the primary influence and the > > > originator, these > > > > bands should be heard and listened to. A suprising amount of TD > > fans > > > never do and > > > > miss out on much excellent music. > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in > > London! > > > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Coral Rumsey' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] classic rock and BBC R1 DJs and after TD Re Klaus Schulze: > > > > I think it depends on the album, his classics are brilliant > > but some are dull and > > some just don't gel at all. > > He released a huge amount of work and you have to find the > > sound and era that suits > > you. 'Spielglocken' from 'Audentity' (which for years I knew only as the single LP released in the UK by Dick James Music[Elton John's publisher!]) sums up my era of finding a way into Klaus, and is a magnificent 23 minute piece. Anyone willing to help me with a map to KS post-1990? > > Glynn said.................. > > It's also an interesting magazine to check out for those who, like > > me, remember the days of the so-called New Wave of British Heavy > > Metal (Saxon, UFO, Judas Priest, Diamond Head, the Friday Rock Show > > with 'TV on the radio' Tommy Vance, etc.) from the early 80s. Most of > > the writers are the writers from _Kerrang!_ from that period, the > > style is similar, the bands are still around (albeit with paunches > > and thinning hair now). It's fun, but a bit spooky, to step back into > > 1981. Have these people been living there for the last two decades? > > Their contemporaneous Punks & New-Wavers also turn up in comparable package tours in 'Mojo's back-pages, showing the shallowness of their then-hip 'righteous vitriol' . Enough people who came of age (in the UK anyway) back then have enough money now to finance it. I saw Biff Byford of Saxon on some 'HM Top 10', holding court in his living-room complete with Hilda-Ogden-wall-filling 'muriel' talking up HM's stock (and presumably Saxon's lagging Berni-Inn-only bookings). Is 'Classic Rock' a pop version of 'The Oldie'? > > I recall I have in my collection somewhere a tape of Tommy Vance on Radio 1 > playing some TD (Cloudburst flight may be) or another electronic act and he > wasn't too nce about them! It was along the lines of the music scene > being rife with that kind of rubbish....... > His peer Alan Freeman says some nice-ish things about them on a tape I've got where he introduces a 1989 re-broadcast of the 1975 Albert Hall gig. That period (ie circa 1981) was, I think, still defined in Britain's media by wars between pre and post Punks. Many of the pre-s may well have then ignorantly lumped anything with electronic elements in alongside 'Japanese Boy'. 'Stairway To Heaven' was still no. 1 in Tommy Vance's listeners'poll circa 82-83, and seemingly everything else in the top 5 was 10 or so years old. Thanks to whoever took time to recall Edgar's 'Epsilon In Malaysian Pale' - a v nice disc in a gorgeous cover. Wish he still did things as lovely as that rather than cod-Classical pension-friendly stuff. Anyone got anything to tell me about 'Beyond The Storm'? thanks Simon Fay Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26459 Re: classic rock and BBC R1 DJs and after TD Mark Coyle Fri 3/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Hell, I'd take a cassette copy! I just want to hear what all the hoopla has been about. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] > An eBay check only revealed LPs of Romance '76 (or any Peter Baumann for > that matter) > > > >From: 'Frank Arellano' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] > >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:23:07 -0700 > > > >I'd like a copy of Romance 76' if someone can help me out in any way > >possible / trade. Thanks in advance :-) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL We can too , that shrewd SOB .... :-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'lawlermusic' To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL > The SMD review was nothing to do with me . I read it first when the > catalogue dropped through my door . > Its a CDR because its not a full *new* album .The tracks were left over > tracks that were meant for compilation albums that never got off the ground > . > I only intended to release it at mp3.com , but Dave Law wanted to release > it as well . Its on CDR so I can get paid the same as I do from MP3.com . > You cant blame for not doing it for free !!!!!! > > Paul > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Coyle > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL > > > > Hi > > > > > Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two Arcane > > > releases? I ask this because I found the first one weak, while I found > > > the second quite good. Also, why is ALTERSTILL a CD-R rather > > > than a CD? > > > > Afterstill, ahem, is reviewed as follows at the wallet swallowing > SynthMusicDirect as > > follows: > > > > 'Messrs Schreck and Buchloch, enthused by the reaction to the 2nd > incarnation of > > Arcane, have bowed to public demand and released this, a collection of > mainly studio > > pieces which both precede and succeed the existing Arcane releases. > > 'Alterstill 1' is an incredible track taken from the 'Lupus' sessions, a > period where > > they were further developing their melodic sequential style characterised > by their > > 'Polish' concert tour in the late 70's. The track is quite simply one of > the finest > > melody/sequencer fests you are likely to hear - with biting drum rhythms > and > > crystalline effects inspired by the sub zero temperatures which they often > endured on > > stage. Apparently Schreck commissioned custom built fan heaters to place > in front of > > the modular systems, which didn't improve the tuning that much but at > least kept his > > hands warm while manipulating the sequencer modules. > > > > Onto 'Alterstill 2', a slightly later piece which builds slowly and > carefully > > develops an anthemic theme enhanced by trademark sequencing, the modern > edge further > > influenced by the software sequencing and PPG samples which were in use at > the time. > > This piece and the next 'Alterstill 3' were presented at the triumphant > Jodrell Bank > > concert, and 'Alterstill 3' especially was met by cheers of wonderment > such is the > > power and drive of the music. For this track the band were joined by synth > > rock-master Marcus Schrew, and Schreck especially expressed concern as to > whether > > Marcus's bombastic approach was perhaps too commercial for the band, but > the crowd > > reaction was emphatic and encouraged the band to release this studio > version. > > > > Onto 'Alterstill 4', another track from the 'Lupus' sessions and perhaps > the > > highlight of this set. Starting carefully with classic analogue effects, > the piece > > then bursts into life with electronic syncopations which develop into the > most > > infectious melodies you are ever likely to hear. Further lustre is added > by the fact > > that the melody is picked out in classic Vangelis style, reminiscent of > the 'China' > > period. Rumours abound that it is actually the V man guesting on the > track, a story > > fuelled by their backstage meeting after Vangelis' London Drury Lane > concert in '77. > > Finally we have 'Alterstill 5 - Live at Mount Festival', a piece > originally recorded > > in 1977 on their 'Teach Yourself to Crash Cars' European tour, this > particular > > version recorded at the infamous Milton Keynes Town Hall appearance where > 2000 people > > tried to fit into a venue designed for 300, then rioted when Arcane, not > Kraftwerk, > > walked on stage. This piece underlines how sensational the planned live > album would > > have been, a project sadly cut short by Max Richter's pyrotechnic demise. > Rumours > > abound that the full set of live tapes are still in tact and may yet see > the light of > > day in a subsequent release. > > > > Choose your style - sequencing, melody, atmosphere, rhythm, power, > dynamics - any > > combination, or anything in between. Arcane can produce it all, > brilliantly. Buy > > without hesitation. (GG) ' > > > > Not sure why it's a CDR though. > > > > cheers > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'E Neal FFrost' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Rick, Send me a copy of your Klaus Schulze list. I'd be interested in trading with you for some or all of it. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] > In a message dated 3/15/01 8:37:44 AM Central Standard Time, > scfeldman@j... writes: > > > > 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. > > At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is > > is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' > > -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 > > Thanks Steve! > > I'm glad someone kept this quote from me.I just hope I made a lasting > impression about KS stuff. > By the way,I have some Klaus stuff I would like to get rid of if anyone is > interested.God knows I gave him enough chances! > > Rick > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'E Neal FFrost' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) I lsitened to it, and all I can say is that if/when it is determained who this is, I want it. This is a very cool peice of music, and I would love to hear the rest of his/her/there music. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Coyle' To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) > Hi > > > A few years back I saw a program on the television about > > computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I always wanted to > > know who was. > > > > Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? > > http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html > > I wouldn't be suprised if it's the now legendary computer animation showcase linked > to the album of the same name 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' by Jan Hammer. I haven't > checked the MP3 though. > > cheers > Mark > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 12:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] classic rock and BBC R1 DJs and after TD Hi > 'Spielglocken' from 'Audentity' (which for years I knew only as the single > LP released in the UK by Dick James Music[Elton John's publisher!]) sums up > my era of finding a way into Klaus, and is a magnificent 23 minute piece. > Anyone willing to help me with a map to KS post-1990? Oh very difficult, he gave up electronic music and then came back, did classical, collaborations and so on. His most consistent is the double 1994 release In Blue which has a fantastic Ashra Tempel reunion with Manuel Gottsching. He released a ten CD box set of new material last year (I think) and it was fairly average. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 12:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL Hi > The SMD review was nothing to do with me . I read it first when the > catalogue dropped through my door . > Its a CDR because its not a full *new* album .The tracks were left over > tracks that were meant for compilation albums that never got off the ground > . > I only intended to release it at mp3.com , but Dave Law wanted to release > it as well . Its on CDR so I can get paid the same as I do from MP3.com . > You cant blame for not doing it for free !!!!!! > Paul I'm just grateful to have such ace music out. Blimey it would have been wasted as only MP3. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 12:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Coyle To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL > Hi > > > Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two Arcane > > releases? I ask this because I found the first one weak, while I found > > the second quite good. Wash your mouth out with soap !!!!!!!! :) I`m thinking of doing an album of Mozart tracks using only a korg M1 . What do you rekon ? could call it 'Star pooper' ? Paul From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 12:06 am Subject: D: [Solo] Dune - Klaus Schulze >> Quite agree with this I find his music very boring I remember >buying Dune the first album I got by him probably the worst EM I have >ever listened too so bad I threw it out. >Cheers Gary. >Np.The Keep Ah! That was a very bad beginning. One year before, KS release one of his best albums: X, a double classic album. One track, Friedmann Bach, is a 10-minute long sequenced track that reminds me a lot of TD's sequencies. Dune is a boring album. I've even tried to like it, but it's very hard to listen. It was inspired by Frank Herbert's Dune. The first track, Dune, is atmospheric music. You really need to be in the mood for it. It can be rewarding if you're patient, because it has a loong dark intro but it after it it's a strangely beautiful slow, long track (half an hour!...). But what's for some strangely beautiful, for others is just plain boring. The second track, Shadows of Ignorance, is rhythmic, but the sequence and rhythm never change and a long poem is 'rhythmicly recited' over it. Dune is a very strange and hard album, and boring. That one hour can be better spent with, for example, like I said, the first CD from the double album X (which has also a half hour atmospheric very dark track). One thing interesting about KS's obsession with long tracks is that sometimes they can be good for exploration; some tracks sound like a soundtrack for walking in a vast desert (hey - that's Dune, isn't it?), or exploring a rain forest, or wandering in deep space. I like those vast ideas. np Gustavo Jobim - The Jupiter Rings (a little 12-minute long improvisation, lots of atmospherics and in the middle section a nervous feast of dissonant loud waaahs.It's very strange but I like it. :) The last section can even be called 'beautiful', with atmospherics and a lot of phasing. Kind of calm weather after a storm. The track has lots of looong notes.) Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26469 Re: D: [Solo] Dune - Klaus Schulze Nigbur D Fri 3/16/2001 5 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:40 pm Subject: D: Solo [Baumann - Transharmonic Nights] RE: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Three subjects: 1. Epsilon in Malaysian Pale 2. Baumann's Transharmonic Nights 3. Joe's question about what we should include on the weekly solo discussions EIMP: I think a good description of EIMP is: 40 minutes of something better than Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares with Phaedra-esque ------ about Joe's question: I think we can include all solo work. But how would we fit Klaus Schulze in this? His work is so vast. I think we can skip discussing a lot of his albums, though. (Irrlicht...) From: Joe Shoults which brings up a question: when we consider including a solo work by a former TD member in our weekly discussions, what exactly do we include? Most of them didn't do solo works while they were still in TD, so it would have to mean that we covered works *after* they left. Well, in the case of Schulze, we're talking a truckload of albums. how about we limit it to the first couple solo albums after they left TD? feedback? --------- Baumann - Transharmonic Nights: A good album, it's not Ricochet or Stratosfear but it's very enjoyable and has a few great tracks. 1. This Day This is a slow sequencey track, the sequence is a bit like White Eagle. Actually, the sequence is fast but the melody is slower. I could say the style in general is different from TD, but the sequence could be from a TD album. Not one of my favourites, and not a very good way to start the album IMO. Many of the tracks in the album are moody, and nightly. This is one of them. 2. White Bench and Black Beach Starts with percussion, and a moody, almost sad slow melody that is different from TD's style. It reminds me of the Hyperborea title track theme. I consider this track nice, but it sounds like a end-of-album track. 3. Chasing the Dream The title fits very well: this track could be a lost track from Ricochet or Stratosfear. It's fast and sequenced. It has harpsichord and guitar. It's excellent. 4. Biking up the Strand Have you ever played Atari's Bobby is Going Home game? It's a happy, silly game. Well this track reminds me of it. It's a happy track, happy sequence, happy tunes. It ends side 1 like Force Majeure's last section. Not a bad one. 5. Phaseday Baumann's percussion is always very nice throughout the album. It has a nice tune and the middle section is almost silent, just percussion and some solo fragments. After the middle section the nice tune returns in a more orchestral, majestic form. It's a good track. 6. Meridian Moorland Heavy percussion with a bassline marks this track. Here Baumann meets TD again, using those voices from Ricochet. It reminds me of 3 AM in the Border of the Marsh from Okefenokee. It also has that little sound which appears on Encore, which sounds like a bird, a bit like Chris' eagle. A very nightly track. I think Baumann was trying to create a soundtrack for a night. The last track is called Dance at Dawn. 7. The Third Site This track brings the same theme from the beginning of the previous track, but now the melody is played in a flute, which makes it softer. It's like 5 AM, after a 3 AM. This reworking of an old theme is very interesting. The old theme and percussion fade to silence and after 4 silent seconds the track really begins. (hmm, I wonder if this is really the beginning of this track or this is the ending of the previous one which was glued here...) More Baumann percussion and sequence, with nice effects. Then a bassy fast sequence appears and a menacing theme is played in a loud synth. Very cool. The sequenced percussion sounds like some old Kraftwerk music. The theme makes me think of something from TD but I can't remember what it is. Unfortunately the music doesn't evolve much. There are variations of the theme, and near the end it sounds like an improvisation. There are also 2 pauses. This is a very good track but it could've been better. 8. Dance at Dawn Very majestic: African-ish drumming with fast percussion, begins with a trumpet theme (which I'm almost 100% sure it's a real trumpet), then a cheesy old organ is played, then old cheesy dark choral sounds are played, then flute with marching percussion, then the instruments are played together. One minute before the end the only cymbal in the whole album is played. The track ends with a dark cheesy choral being repeated, a little guitar sound in the background, then the choral and the guitar stops and only the ever present happy little sequence and the strong africanish drumming with fast percussion remain, and after a few seconds they suddenly stop. Excellent. Ended the album in a great way. This is a good album. A few tracks are brilliant, others can become boring after a few plays. My favourites are Chasing the Dream, Phaseday for the emotional tune, The Third Site for it's nervousness, and Dance of dawn for it's majesty. The album is very melodic with lots of percussion, and it has a very clear style. The tracks have different moods, although many times it's dark or nightly. The album title fits very well. I recommend this album to anyone who likes Stratosfear and Ricochet (just to give two examples). If I had togive a grade, it would be 8 out of 10. Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 12:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL > >> Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two Arcane >releases? I ask this because I found the first one weak, while I found >the second quite good. Also, why is ALTERSTILL a CD-R rather >than a CD? > -- Steven Feldman < I've not had the opportunity to write in before but must say that I was so excited my Herr Feldman's comments regarding Arcanes music....please Kommandant...tell us all exactly what you have been listening to recently that gives you the feeling that you can rubbish the best electronic albums since TD made a final effort with Underwater Sunlight? I get the horribly sad feeling that you are going to say Great Wall of China or/and Mars Polaris....... jack. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Pergamon' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 1:05 am Subject: SV: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Hi everyone Since the solo album by Edgar Froese is now in discussion, I decided to bring a little impression I wrote some time ago. I posted it back in 99 and here it is again. =) CONSCIOUSNESS The music begins, it starts out with a delicate tingle of sounds representing the beginning of summer. Nature is ALIVE, and has sprung out. Mother Earth sends ripples through the air, tingling with life. A long sequence of mother nature representing herselfs complexity, of sounds, life, strength, power etc., stuns me as I become aware of the energy surrounding me. The tension builds up, I can feel life surge through my body. suddenly I find myself floating as the rhythmic sequencers begins to play with each other. Playing ever so carefully with each other, trying not to disturb one another. Plains, fields, forests and mountains passes by beneath me. The air is clean, it gives me strength and clears my mind, and I become aware of life. The joy of just being, ripples through me. I slow down, enjoy the view and feels the energy surrounding me. I feel alive. My mind is almost exploding in joy. The sequencers intensify and I can feel life pounding in my breast. I halt my motion, and for a long time I just am. Nothing can disturb me, nothing can hurt me, I am only aware of being. The music slows down, I am becoming more relaxed. Suddenly the music becomes more dark, and I become aware of the powers of nature. A sudden storm take hold of me and throw me around. A lightning flashes and rain starts pouring down. I find myself awed by the fierce power of nature. As the storm gets hold of me and throws me around, I can feel the danger and my own mortality, but again it makes me feel alive. I draw from the powers of nature and regain control of my flight. The storm passes and the clouds disappear. The sun warms my body, and again I can feel the joy tingling inside of me. Here the sequencers starts their beautiful play with one another again. My mind explodes with joy and happiness, and I find myself a part of nature and life. Nature is me and I am nature. I am life and life is me. I can't get enough and I am in ecstasy. I can hear the tone of life and I follow it's beautiful dance. The sequencers grab hold of me and let's me ride on it's wave. I am one with the wave. after some time, the wave becomes more relaxed and beautiful strings fills me with energy. My mind is relaxed , but I am filled with energy, that only waits to be used. The music stops, but I am happy and ready to take on the world. Hope you enjoyed it =) Regards Jan From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 8:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Oddly I've not bought anything by them, or Dwellar At The Threshold, any thoughts on either? cheers Mark *Well I have some thoughts on Dweller but they're entirely subjective as I'm one of the founding members... ;-) It seems to me that the TD fans have seriously varying opinions as there were so many era's (The early Avante Garde.. the Virgin years ..the 'New Agey' style ...the techno style...) I think those who like the Virgin years would like Dweller at the Threshold.. Stratosfear is probably close to what we're doing... I'd recommend starting with our second album 'Generation, Transmission, Illumination' If you're interested.. There's a couple web sites too.... www.eurock.com (The label) and http://threshold.opb.org ( a slightly dated website.) If anyone is in the Northwest area we will be playing lots of gigs this summer... Keep your ear to the ground.... Last but not least I have a solo album called 'Appears to Vanish on the Neu Harmony label... check out some soundbites at www.synthmusicdirect.com. Peace, Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 9:33 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Hej J.H. - Ikke dĺrligt = not bad. Go' bedring :o) Poul > Hi everyone > > Since the solo album by Edgar Froese is now in discussion, I decided to > bring a little impression I wrote some time ago. I posted it back in 99 and > here it is again. =) > > CONSCIOUSNESS > > The music begins, it starts out with a delicate tingle of sounds > representing the beginning of summer. Nature is ALIVE, and has sprung > out. Mother Earth sends ripples through the air, tingling with life. > A long sequence of mother nature representing herselfs complexity, > of sounds, life, strength, power etc., stuns me as I become aware > of the energy surrounding me. The tension builds up, I can feel life > surge through my body. suddenly I find myself floating as the rhythmic > sequencers begins to play with each other. Playing ever so carefully with > each other, trying not to disturb one another. Plains, fields, forests > and mountains passes by beneath me. The air is clean, it gives me > strength and clears my mind, and I become aware of life. The joy of just > being, ripples through me. I slow down, enjoy the view and feels the > energy surrounding me. I feel alive. My mind is almost exploding in joy. > The sequencers intensify and I can feel life pounding in my breast. I halt > my motion, and for a long time I just am. Nothing can disturb me, nothing > can hurt me, I am only aware of being. The music slows down, I am becoming > more relaxed. Suddenly the music becomes more dark, and I become aware of > the powers of nature. A sudden storm take hold of me and throw me around. > A lightning flashes and rain starts pouring down. I find myself awed by the > fierce power of nature. As the storm gets hold of me and throws me around, > I can feel the danger and my own mortality, but again it makes me feel > alive. I draw from the powers of nature and regain control of my flight. > The storm passes and the clouds disappear. The sun warms my body, and again > I can feel the joy tingling inside of me. Here the sequencers starts their > beautiful play with one another again. My mind explodes with joy and > happiness, and I find myself a part of nature and life. Nature is me and I > am nature. I am life and life is me. I can't get enough and I am in > ecstasy. > I can hear the tone of life and I follow it's beautiful dance. The > sequencers > grab hold of me and let's me ride on it's wave. I am one with the wave. > after > some time, the wave becomes more relaxed and beautiful strings fills me > with > energy. My mind is relaxed , but I am filled with energy, that only waits > to > be used. The music stops, but I am happy and ready to take on the world. > > Hope you enjoyed it =) > > Regards > Jan > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Nigbur D Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 10:40 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? Are Emil and Zlatko still with TD, and if so, can they be considered full members of TD? Neither of them appear to contribute compositionally, so if Edgar leaves the addition of another member would be inevitable. I can't imagine Jerome wanting to do all the composing himself...the appeal of TD, after all, has always been the integration of the many different composers' ideas. Dennis > ---------- > From: Chris Owen[SMTP:Chris.Owen2@b...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 16 March 2001 02:50 > To: tadream Mailing List > Subject: [tadream] Future of TD?? > > With all the recent talk and speculation surrounding the fact that Edgar > might soon permanently pass over the TD reigns to Jerome, a couple of > points struck me concerning the version of TD we see on stage. > > 1. The proposed trilogy of concerts at various locations around the world. > It has been muted that it might take TD up to 2 years to complete this > trilogy. It must have been in the planning stages for a long while now, > and if that's the case, then surely Edgar would want to remain part of the > band to complete this project, especialy as it seems to be > classically-based. > > 2. Without Edgar, does anyone have any ideas on just how TD might plan to > present themselves on stage in the future? Just Jerome, Zlatco and Emil? A > new member to 'replace' Edgar? Trying to imagine TD on stage without him > is very difficult, particularly when to all intents and purposes, he is > Tangerine Dream! > > - Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Nigbur D Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 10:47 am Subject: RE: [tadream] D: [Solo] Dune - Klaus Schulze I like the first side of Dune - a classic Schulze piece if you ask me. The trouble is the second side, which just doesn't seem to excite me in any way. As far as the track Dune itself is concerned, however, I cannot see why some people find those lovely string-y textures and melodies boring. Yes, it does take a while to develop. But that is part of the appeal. We are so used these days to have things (and not just sounds and melodies) straight to us and in-your-face that maybe there isn't much of an audience for subtlety. Even KS's more recent stuff, from what I've heard, is a lot louder and more aggressive. Try the Royal Festival Hall concerts, though - veeeeeeery nice. Dennis > ---------- > From: Gustavo Jobim[SMTP:gustavfj@m...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 16 March 2001 00:06 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] D: [Solo] Dune - Klaus Schulze > > > >> Quite agree with this I find his music very boring I remember > >buying Dune the first album I got by him probably the worst EM I have > >ever listened too so bad I threw it out. > >Cheers Gary. > >Np.The Keep > > Ah! That was a very bad beginning. One year before, KS release one of his > best albums: X, a double classic album. One track, Friedmann Bach, is a > 10-minute long sequenced track that reminds me a lot of TD's sequencies. > > Dune is a boring album. I've even tried to like it, but it's very hard to > listen. It was inspired by Frank Herbert's Dune. The first track, Dune, is > atmospheric music. You really need to be in the mood for it. It can be > rewarding if you're patient, because it has a loong dark intro but it > after it it's a strangely beautiful slow, long track (half an hour!...). > But what's for some strangely beautiful, for others is just plain boring. > The second track, Shadows of Ignorance, is rhythmic, but the sequence and > rhythm never change and a long poem is 'rhythmicly recited' over it. Dune > is a very strange and hard album, and boring. That one hour can be better > spent with, for example, like I said, the first CD from the double album X > (which has also a half hour atmospheric very dark track). > > One thing interesting about KS's obsession with long tracks is that > sometimes they can be good for exploration; some tracks sound like a > soundtrack for walking in a vast desert (hey - that's Dune, isn't it?), or > exploring a rain forest, or wandering in deep space. I like those vast > ideas. > > np Gustavo Jobim - The Jupiter Rings (a little 12-minute long > improvisation, lots of atmospherics and in the middle section a nervous > feast of dissonant loud waaahs.It's very strange but I like it. :) The > last section can even be called 'beautiful', with atmospherics and a lot > of phasing. Kind of calm weather after a storm. The track has lots of > looong notes.) > > Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 11:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Edgar has been very good at picking the right guys for the job (Jerome is probably the only member that people would argue with). I guess if Edgar were to choose, I wonder who might be the canidate for his replacement. I would hope the classical tradition would continue and the new member would be trained in that manner. I tend to still think Jerome as being young, but he really isn't any more and I seem to think he wouldn't have such a tendency to turn TD into a techno band. I honestly don't know what is going to happen.. but a hint would be found on the Dream Mixes webpage.. as TD plans to release at least 2 more Dream Mixes albums in the future. Is this like the Zeit of the past? I could only hope such albums would lead to a more unified expressive sound that is TDs own and not just a bunch of music based off of rhythm presets and beats from machines that are used in real techno dance music. Greg H. NP: Super Metroid Orchestrated > Are Emil and Zlatko still with TD, and if so, can they be considered full > members of TD? Neither of them appear to contribute compositionally, so if > Edgar leaves the addition of another member would be inevitable. I can't > imagine Jerome wanting to do all the composing himself...the appeal of TD, > after all, has always been the integration of the many different composers' > ideas. > > Dennis From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 11:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? I don't know where the TD future will lead us, but if Edgar at some point in time doesn't want Tangerine Dream to continue I'm pretty sure that he will dissolve the band. He was the first group member 33+ years ago and I guess he will also be the last (whenever that may be, I hope not in 20+ years from now :-) Heiko From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 11:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Hi > *Well I have some thoughts on Dweller but they're entirely subjective as I'm > one > of the founding members... ;-) It seems to me that the TD fans have seriously > varying opinions as there were so many era's (The early Avante Garde.. > the Virgin years ..the 'New Agey' style ...the techno style...) > I think those who like the Virgin years would like Dweller at the Threshold.. > Stratosfear is probably close to what we're doing... I'd recommend starting > with our second album 'Generation, Transmission, Illumination' If you're > interested.. Marvellous, I shall be sure to order. Once I've paid for the wallet denting 15 CDs I was tempted to buy from Synth Music Direct and Groove, damn them and their usefully indexed, lovely review, excellent lists of fantastic CDs. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 6:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:51:11 -0000 'Jack Kramer' writes: > >> Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two >>Arcane releases? I ask this because I found the first one >>weak, while I found the second quite good. Also, why is >>ALTERSTILL a CD-R rather than a CD? > >[. . .] please Kommandant...tell us all exactly what you have >been listening to recently that gives you the feeling that >you can rubbish the best electronic albums since TD made a >final effort with Underwater Sunlight? GATHER DARKNESS by Arcane FUTURE WRECK by Arcane THE DEMON HAUNTED WORLD by Under the Dome NODULAR by RAMP ATTRITION SYSYEM by Air Sculpture THUNDERHEAD by Air Sculpture EUROPA by Air Sculpture LIVE 9.16.98 by The Ministry of Inside Things THOUGHTS OF WAR by Mark Shreeve KNUTSWORTH IN MAY by Radio Massacre International ORGAN HARVEST by Radio Massacre International BEYOND THE GALAXY by Cosmic Hoffman GOLTRI: VOLUME ONE E-LIVE '99 [Air Sculpture, Spyra and Keller & Schonwalder] INVISIBLE SHADOWS UNRELEASED 'GIFT' TRACKS WARRIOR by Steve Jolliffe SONIC SEASONINGS by Wendy Carlos LIVE & UNRELEASED by Brainwork WIGSTOCK OST LOVE'S IN YOU, LOVE'S IN ME by Giorgio [Moroder] & Chris [Bennett] E=mc2 by Giorgio Moroder FOREVER DANCING by Giorgio Moroder DJ EMPIRE PRESENTS: A TRIBUTE TO GIORGIO MORODER AFTER THE FALL by Ganymede DARKLIGHT by Robert Carty THE DRIFT INSIDE by Vir Unis AEONIAN GLOW by Vir Unis > I get the horribly sad feeling that you are going to say >Great Wall of China or/and Mars Polaris....... Well, I like half of GREAT WALL OF CHINA a fair bit, and there are four tracks on MARS POLARIS that I flat out love. >jack. -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'As my wife says best, 'How many fricking TD CDs do you need? You can't possibly listen to them all!' Little does she know I do...' -- message posted to tadream by AslanFan1@a... on Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:22:54 EDT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 3:01 pm Subject: sols artist to discuss Shouldn't there be a comprehensive list of TD members past and present so that we can discuss solo works? examples of artists (not comprehensive) Peter Baumann Michael Hoenig Steve Jolliffe Klaus Schulze Johannes Schmoelling Conrad Schnitzler Edgar Froese Christopher Franke Jerome Froese Paul Haslinger Kurt Herkenberg Klaus Krieger Linda Spa Charles Adams Prince Ralph Wadephul Steve Schroeder Lanse Hapshash Volker Hombach ... And what do you mean by solo? only non-collaborative works or collaborative works? what about?: hoenig: early water (w/ m. gottsching) not solo? franke agitation free (franke/hoenig et al) not solo? (send me your tapes) star sounds orchestra not solo? (send me your tapes) KS 50 disc set not solo? haslinger/baumann's blue room not solo? looks like this output can very well eclipse TD..... --tb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26479 Re: sols artist to discuss Roger Hartopp Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 4:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? >From: Nigbur D >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:40:53 -0000 > >Are Emil and Zlatko still with TD, and if so, can they be considered full >members of TD? Neither of them appear to contribute compositionally, so if >Edgar leaves the addition of another member would be inevitable. I can't >imagine Jerome wanting to do all the composing himself...the appeal of TD, >after all, has always been the integration of the many different composers' >ideas. No offense, but TD hasn't had the 'integration of many different composers' ideas' since 1987. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 6:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > Edgar has been very good at picking the right guys for the job (Jerome is > probably the only member that people would argue with and yet when people talk about the only tracks they like on the new TD albums , they mostly mention the tracks that Jerome wrote . Eds sections and style have remained the same since time began so there`s no problems knowing which bits to fast forward . Jerome (techno style aside , although i dont mind it) is in my opinion the only driving force behind TD . He can actually write melodies and structured chord sequences etc .Only problem is , is that he doesn`t do it too often , and Ed just noodles like a mad old woman . I`m guessing that star trooper will be nothing more than the kind of classical covers found on Ambient Monkeys. In other words , playing the piano score on bad orchestral keyboard sounds . I hope he proves me wrong . Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26481 Re: Future of TD?? Roger Hartopp Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 2:30 pm Subject: 'younger groups' someone wrote >RedShit ha ha ha ha ha --tb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: gmroger@p... Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 8:30 pm Subject: Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten Votes for the Eddy & Jerry top ten will close on April 6, and the results posted here on the 7th. That same evening I will broadcast the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten on the programme but I hold little chance that the show will be successfully broadcast on the internet, so I'll publish a transcript of the programme later. thanks to those who have voted so far: Bert Hulshoff Heiko Heerssen Peter Ravn J. Gordon Rolf Elfstrom Utch Entel Brian Stewart Sean Montgomery Steven Feldman Gary Jenkins Joe Shoults James E. Jacoby Uwe Heiko Neumann Daniel Hobrecht Bob (pw098) Poul Erik Piotr S. Millenium Frank Arellano Morgan Lawry Simm James Owens Sean A. Bennett Colin Anderson Thomas Bertilsson Steve Yensen Rimas Lazutka Marion Olle Rundgren Michal Moroz Koulos Kostas Antonio Nunes Daniel (quarlie) David Foster Greg (designx) If any of you cast votes that appeared in Digest 828, for some reason that didn't make it here so I'll have to check on their faster computer at the radio station. If you've voted but don't see your name on this list, then post it again and we'll include it. I wish I could offer a prize as an incentive. It would have been a neat idea. There are still a few votes to be cast, and here's the state of play so far: 1 Mars Polaris (94 points from 27 votes cast) 2 Oasis (65/21) 3 Goblins' Club (58.5/20) 4 Dream Mixes (57/18) 5 220 Volt (56/19) 6 Timesquare (52/17) 7 What A Blast! (32/9) 8 Tournado (19/8) 9 Valentine Wheels (15/7) 10 The Seven Letters From Tibet (15/5) 11 Quinoa (14/6) 12 Tyranny of Beauty (13/5) 13 Rockoon (13/4) 14 Turn of the Tides (12.5/5) 15 The Great Wall of China (12/5) 16 Transsiberia (7/4) 17 Ambient Monkeys (7/2) 18 Rumplestiltskin (5/2) 19 Zoning (5/1) 20 Hollywood Years Vol 1 (3/!) 21 Hollywood Years Vol 2 (0/0) Dream Dice scored 3 points even though it's an EP, and 'DM 3' even got 2 points despite the fact it's not yet released. (I know, I know. Most of it is already on the 12' discs.) So there's still a clear runaway leader, but it's interesting to note how the many more votes the first six have cast, and how tight it is regards 3, 4, 5, and 6. Valentine Wheels sneaks ahead of 'Seven Letters' on the basis that seven folks cast votes for this disc whilst five only for the latter. And Ambient Monkeys isn't the least disliked Eddy & Jerry album. Nobody seems to like the Hollywood Years... Cast your votes if you haven't already done so... Roger Hartopp -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26480 Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten É. Rocho Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB 26493 Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten Frank Arellano Sat 3/17/2001 2 KB 26494 Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten Ody Sat 3/17/2001 2 KB 26632 Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten Roger Hartopp Fri 3/30/2001 2 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 9:24 pm Subject: Re: sols artist to discuss --- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote: > Shouldn't there be a comprehensive list of TD members past and present > so that we can discuss solo works? Okay, let's be sensible about this one. I suggest we go by what can be regarded as those artists that truly made a long-term contribution to the band's output and as a member, so on this basis we go for the following: Edgar Froese Chris Franke Peter Baumann Johannes Schmoelling Paul Haslinger Jerome Froese There. That narrows it down a bit. especially as our Jerome hasn't released anything yet... Roger From: É. Rochon Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 9:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten Here's my contribution 1 Mars Polaris 2 220 Volt 3 Timesquare 4 Tournado 5 Zoning Éric From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 9:37 pm Subject: Re: Future of TD?? I remeber posting a while back my thoughts as regards Jerome and that he should now be running the TD ship. I have to admit though, Edgar is TD. Maybe it would be better to end the band when he eventually opts for retirement. Then again, should Jerome take the reins, maybe he should ask Chris (little chance), Peter (still playing golf) or Paul (the most likely bet) to rejoin. But only if the album is recorded in Los Angeles. BUT PLEASE!!! NOT ZLATKO!!! Roger From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 12:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] pop composers classical music TD vehicle << right, like covering pachelbel's canon..... bleah, a horrible cover by virtually every newage group that were around. >> I tend to agree with you, but there are a few good 'New Age' albums out there that do listenable renditions of classical music. 'A Different Prelude' on the Decca label is probably the best collection of this sort that I have ever heard, far better than the Windham Hill collections on 'The Romantics' and 'The Impressionists.' The prelude album has folks like Phillip Suisse, Tim Story, Steve Erquiaga, Patrick O'Hearn, and others doing lots of Bach, Wagner, Chopin, Debussy, and a Satie piece. The Patrick O'Hearn rendition of the prelude from Bach's 'Cello Suite No. 1' is absolutely beautiful, by far the best piece I've ever heard by O'Hearn. Another listenable CD is Windham Hill's 'Rennaissance' album, which has a wonderful Michael Hedges 'Fantasia' that my mother-in-law (a musicologist specializing in early keyboard music) plays as one of her harpsichord concert pieces. And lets not forget the early work of King Crimson and Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, who covered pieces by Bartok, Janacek, and a host of others, often uncredited. It isn't bad stuff! Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: colin_anderson@e... Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 12:36 am Subject: DM3 and TD Naffness Following on from some recent comments on what td are doing these days, here's my tcw: Despite the fact that td are my favourite band - have been since the late 70s - I've nearly always found what they've done has had a whiff of naffness. I put it down to things like the nonsensical lp and track titles, dodgy artwork, music that was well out of place with other music of the times, the hiding-behind-black-netting-at-shows and the whole 'we don't wanna be commercial, man' thing. They've always tried to be sort of mysterious and avant garde in the belief that it'd make them cool, but in doing so have been uncool. It's the same now. Although I'm a huge DM fan (for me in a lot of respects it overtakes the early 80s stuff) I've got a big problem with the concept - it was done waaaaaaay too late. I remember thinking at the time DM1 was released 'jeez - this is just brilliant (for td) but they should have made it sound tougher, done it 5 years ago, really gone out and plugged it and shoved their critics noses right in it'. And here we are now, attempting to do just that with DM3, only the idea is losing the uniqueness (for td) it had and we're being brain-washed into believing the whole DM thing is a huge success. As either Sean or Morgan said, we don't exactly see DMs in the dance n techno top 20 racks in the local record store, or at least not here in Australia. DM1 was THE chance to make critics sit up and take notice and attract a new audience, DM2 was the second squandered chance and DM3 - judging by the pre-release of Mengtian - is just lame and for the DM completists like me. A thousand bucks on the table - play Mengtian to your average person and they'd say it was 'nice'. Another thousand bucks on the table - bet you Edgar and Jerome think it's 'cutting edge'. Starship Trooper - another concept that belongs to another time - is another example of just not sussing it out. Ok, artist's prerogative and all that, but the ST thing has been done before and it'll do nothing to develop the profile of the band and maintain it's so-called infleuntial effect on music in general. Get real, Edgar. But then again, maybe I've missed the point of the td naffness - inherent or deliberate - all along. Maybe it IS cool to have a 57 year-old guy and his 30 year-old son side-by-side doing lightweight- quasi-dance tracks and classic reworks that are miles behind their time. Thanks for listening, folks np: DM3 Mengtian - to see if I can be convinced that it's cool. Finished playing now. It's.....nice. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26486 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Feldon Feldon Sat 3/17/2001 2 KB 26487 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Greg Sat 3/17/2001 3 KB 26488 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness glynn_naughton@h... Sat 3/17/2001 3 KB 26505 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Sean Montgomery Sat 3/17/2001 3 KB 26567 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness j.gordon Thu 3/22/2001 2 KB 26570 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Sean Montgomery Thu 3/22/2001 3 KB 26573 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Frank Arellano Thu 3/22/2001 4 KB 26575 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Nigbur D Fri 3/23/2001 5 KB 26609 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Feldon Feldon Sun 3/25/2001 3 KB From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 2:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Dennis: > Are Emil and Zlatko still with TD, and if so, can they be considered full > members of TD? Neither of them appear to contribute compositionally, so if > Edgar leaves the addition of another member would be inevitable. I can't > imagine Jerome wanting to do all the composing himself...the appeal of TD, > after all, has always been the integration of the many different composers' > ideas. If you could have your pick of anyone out there doing EM music today, who would you pick to join Jerome when/if Edgar retires? Just curious... Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 4:20 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Future of TD?? Deborah, > If you could have your pick of anyone out there doing EM music today, who > would you pick to join Jerome when/if Edgar retires? I know you didnt ask me, but let me jump in and suggest some potential coworkers for Jerome: Victor Cerullo Craig Padilla Fin (all these are pretty unknown but very good and would add something new to TD) Michel Geiss (JMJs former assistant - an excellent engineer in the studio) Karl Bartos (ex Kraftwerk) Anne Dudley (Art of Noise) Michiel van der Key (of Laserdance, Koto and Synthech) Chris Carter (of Chris & Cosey) These are pretty much politically incorrect (in a musical sense) suggestions but if you want collaborators, you cant get better ones than those who are different from you. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.jmjfkn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 1:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DM3 and TD Naffness >From: colin_anderson@e... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] DM3 and TD Naffness >Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:36:31 -0000 > >np: DM3 Mengtian - to see if I can be convinced that it's cool. >Finished playing now. It's.....nice. You know the criterion I use to judge TD music? Whether or not I could create its nuance and feeling myself. I can't recreate the first 40 seconds. That's pure TD. The other 7 minutes I think I probably could. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Greg' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 9:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DM3 and TD Naffness I find it funny when I listen to TD create techno music... tonight I went out to the club.. I think many of you are familiar with Eminem AKA Slim Shady.. I really do hate that music.. anyway there was a remix of that with the backdrop of the rapping on something the Backstreet Boys or one of the girl bands would conjure - same lyrics, but a beat and style totally out of context with what the artist created. It was plain awful as it seems like it was almost making fun of the artist. I know that is pop music and it's a different world, but when I listen to TD, I hear a complexity and style that is unfitting for techno. I honestly hear that partitioning of style - and sure one might classify DM as Intelligent Dance Music.. which if many of you don't know, is a category that does exist somewhere, but I don't know any artists offhand. It's a pity though that TD markets this music to clubs, as I foresee a time when plays and theatricals derived from the young minds of today will use this kind of music, and those people will need music with emotional content. TD also scores well with videos that want beat heavy music.. hey that's great as many of you like Architecture in Motion/What a Blast. What TD did with rock music, they are trying to do with techno music - take it to a step higher as an artform uninfluenced by cultural fads. But can they blur the borders and take it to the next logical step, or are the ideas dry, and maybe it will be in the hands of another person, another band. Greg H. NP: Computer Fan > >np: DM3 Mengtian - to see if I can be convinced that it's cool. > >Finished playing now. It's.....nice. > > You know the criterion I use to judge TD music? Whether or not I could > create its nuance and feeling myself. > > I can't recreate the first 40 seconds. That's pure TD. The other 7 minutes I > think I probably could. > > -Morgan From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 11:25 am Subject: Re: DM3 and TD Naffness >From: colin_anderson@e... >Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 0:36am >Subject: DM3 and TD Naffness > > >Following on from some recent comments on what td are doing these >days, here's my tcw: > >Despite the fact that td are my favourite band - have been since the >late 70s - I've nearly always found what they've done has had a >whiff >of naffness. I put it down to things like the nonsensical lp and >track titles, dodgy artwork, music that was well out of place with >other music of the times, the hiding-behind-black-netting-at-shows >and the whole 'we don't wanna be commercial, man' thing. They've >always tried to be sort of mysterious and avant garde in the belief >that it'd make them cool, but in doing so have been uncool. I've always thought of it as their 'bad taste blind spot', but it's always been part of their charm for me. It still amazes me that in 1987 they could countenance making an album of William Blake poetry done in the same style as those dreadful songs that Shirley Bassey used to sing on 'Sunday Night at the Royal Palladium'-style shows back in the tacky 'ole 70s ('Tyger') or spoken in the manner of an over-serious teenager trying to put some drama into a poetry recital ('London'). Then again, I've a sneaking admiration for the early 90s incarnation of TD (a grumpy old bloke and his fat son together with some friends with ripped leather jackets and Marhsall amplifiers all pretending to be Guns 'n' Roses). Surreal or wot? Certainly my friends at the time who knew about TD but were not fans thought that it was hilarious - a sort of bizarre German pantomime. Glynn From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL Do you actually enjoy a lot of these other albums? I ask because given your thoughts on Arcane and then considering your playlist (many of which I consider to be amateurish at best) I have to wonder at your reasoning, particularly as you claim also to like Great Wall of China and the slightly less awful Mars Polaris. What is it that makes people buy TD these days I wonder?....brains clouded by nostalgia perhaps? Jack - currently holding my head under iced water with my hair wrapped in tinfoil reciting the phrase 'it's only an album, it's only an album, it's only an album' whilst listening to Gold Tri Volume 1....the aliens will be coming soon....I can feel it....and they will all look like Arcane..... >From: scfeldman@j... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:57:23 -0500 > >On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:51:11 -0000 'Jack Kramer' > writes: > > > >> Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two > >>Arcane releases? I ask this because I found the first one > >>weak, while I found the second quite good. Also, why is > >>ALTERSTILL a CD-R rather than a CD? > > > >[. . .] please Kommandant...tell us all exactly what you have > >been listening to recently that gives you the feeling that > >you can rubbish the best electronic albums since TD made a > >final effort with Underwater Sunlight? > >GATHER DARKNESS by Arcane >FUTURE WRECK by Arcane >THE DEMON HAUNTED WORLD by Under the Dome >NODULAR by RAMP >ATTRITION SYSYEM by Air Sculpture >THUNDERHEAD by Air Sculpture >EUROPA by Air Sculpture >LIVE 9.16.98 by The Ministry of Inside Things >THOUGHTS OF WAR by Mark Shreeve >KNUTSWORTH IN MAY by Radio Massacre International >ORGAN HARVEST by Radio Massacre International >BEYOND THE GALAXY by Cosmic Hoffman >GOLTRI: VOLUME ONE >E-LIVE '99 [Air Sculpture, Spyra and Keller & Schonwalder] >INVISIBLE SHADOWS UNRELEASED 'GIFT' TRACKS >WARRIOR by Steve Jolliffe >SONIC SEASONINGS by Wendy Carlos >LIVE & UNRELEASED by Brainwork >WIGSTOCK OST >LOVE'S IN YOU, LOVE'S IN ME by Giorgio [Moroder] & Chris [Bennett] >E=mc2 by Giorgio Moroder >FOREVER DANCING by Giorgio Moroder >DJ EMPIRE PRESENTS: A TRIBUTE TO GIORGIO MORODER >AFTER THE FALL by Ganymede >DARKLIGHT by Robert Carty >THE DRIFT INSIDE by Vir Unis >AEONIAN GLOW by Vir Unis > > > I get the horribly sad feeling that you are going to say > >Great Wall of China or/and Mars Polaris....... > > Well, I like half of GREAT WALL OF CHINA a fair bit, and >there are four tracks on MARS POLARIS that I flat out love. > > >jack. > > -- Steven Feldman >+ + + + + + + >'As my wife says best, 'How many fricking TD CDs do you need? You can't >possibly listen to them all!' Little does she know I do...' -- message >posted to tadream by AslanFan1@a... on Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:22:54 EDT > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 1:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? > > >From: Nigbur D > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? > >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:40:53 -0000 > > > >Are Emil and Zlatko still with TD, and if so, can they be considered full > >members of TD? Neither of them appear to contribute compositionally, so >if Just because they don't contribute compositionally doesn't mean to say that they're not in TD ...I mean look at Edgar and Jerome! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 1:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? I'd pick Dave Law of SMD for his Edgar style business acumen or maybe Stephen Hawkings for his Edgar like keyboard skills, or ideally perhaps both of them could join and form a threesome with Jerome.... and if they get a break they could write music too....failing this I'd go for Rolf Harris and his stylaphone...oh, hang on they don't do EM music do they...so in that case I'd have to say I'd like to see that famous cardboard cut-out of Chris Franke that appeared on all the TD albums get a chance to do some stuff. jack >From: 'Deborah Johnson' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:37:07 -0500 > > >If you could have your pick of anyone out there doing EM music today, who >would you pick to join Jerome when/if Edgar retires? > >Just curious... > >Deb H-J >drbjohn@e... > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 2:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL HI > Do you actually enjoy a lot of these other albums? I ask because given your > thoughts on Arcane and then considering your playlist (many of which I > consider to be amateurish at best) I have to wonder at your reasoning, > particularly as you claim also to like Great Wall of China and the slightly > less awful Mars Polaris. What is it that makes people buy TD these days I > wonder?....brains clouded by nostalgia perhaps? Not that it was my list but who is it you consider to be amateurish? Recent TD or the likes of Under The Dome, Arcane, Radio Massacre International, Air Sculpture, Vir Unis etc. To call any of those amateurish would be suprising, each of those is fantastic in their own right for me. Just because someone is a TD fan doesn't make them a fan of electronic music in general and often fans ears are closed to other EM artists. This is not a problem for anyone, only in that we shouldn't assume that because something is TD, or has been influenced by it, it is therefore bad. If this was the case the only rock music would ever have been is Robert Johnson. I'm sure you get my drift. Listening as I did last night to Arcane's new CD 'Aftersitill', a round up of newish and old live tracks and to Radio Massacre International's 'Republic', I think these artists are out there trying to push back the boundaries and carry on the EM tradition, doing wonderful work and making truly excellent music whereas much of TD's work in the last 15 years has been routine and average at best which occasional glimpses of their previous best selves. Obviousy musical choice is a personal thing and subject to being engaged on some level we don't quite understand. Therefore this isn't intended to decry your thoughts, only to offer an alternative view point. cheers Mark N.P. Chris Franke - The London Concert _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 3:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten Roger, the one's I see you're missing are Mathew Sawyer's and Paul Lawler's. Here's Mathew's : 1. Dream Encores [Wasn't on your list though] 2. What A Blast 3.Timesquare 4. Mars Polaris 5. Sony Topping Center [Wasn't on your list either] Paul's 1. Seven Letter's Of Tibet 2. Seven Letter's Of Tibet 3. Seven Letter's Of Tibet 4. Seven Letter's Of Tibet 5. Seven Letter's Of Tibet Just Kidding, Paul :-D Okay......., here they are :-( Goblin's Club Oasis Rockoon Timesquare Valentine Wheels No particular order on Paul's Of course, Eric Rochon and Dennis Nigbur just posted theirs. Let me know if you didn't get theirs, Roger. Dreamers, From: 'Ody' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 3:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten Hi! Here's my top5 list: 1. Mars Polaris 2. Seven Letters From Tibet 3. Great Wall Of China 4. What a Blast 5. Goblins Club NP: Depeche Mode : Exciter Ody M. From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 3:28 pm Subject: Re: Sols artists to discuss Roger, What criteria are you using to evaluate 'long-term contribution' to TD's musical success? :-) Cordially, Dave Kaufman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26544 Re: Sols artists to discuss DAVKAUFMAN@a... Tue 3/20/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 4:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL Hey Mark, I've been meaning to tell you that you should carry your butt over to beyond_em @yahoogroups where we discuss many of those EM groups / artist's works. Many of these artist's are on the list themselves. There's a few of us from here that are also there. You'd enjoy yourself there. It's also good to see that Mr. Feldman's mind isn't as shallow, I mean narrow, as some would have believed :-D Perhaps you would enjoy it there too, Steve. Mind you, there's no room for anyone to be carted off [wheels squeaking] in a straight jacket! At the moment they're all being occupied, the straight jacket's that is :-) Beware that TD does take a bashing from time to time :-D Oh....., no different than here. :-) Well, maybe a little more brutal over there :-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Coyle' To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL > HI > > > Do you actually enjoy a lot of these other albums? I ask because given your > > thoughts on Arcane and then considering your playlist (many of which I > > consider to be amateurish at best) I have to wonder at your reasoning, > > particularly as you claim also to like Great Wall of China and the slightly > > less awful Mars Polaris. What is it that makes people buy TD these days I > > wonder?....brains clouded by nostalgia perhaps? > > Not that it was my list but who is it you consider to be amateurish? Recent TD or > the likes of Under The Dome, Arcane, Radio Massacre International, Air Sculpture, Vir > Unis etc. To call any of those amateurish would be suprising, each of those is > fantastic in their own right for me. Just because someone is a TD fan doesn't make > them a fan of electronic music in general and often fans ears are closed to other EM > artists. This is not a problem for anyone, only in that we shouldn't assume that > because something is TD, or has been influenced by it, it is therefore bad. If this > was the case the only rock music would ever have been is Robert Johnson. I'm sure > you get my drift. > > Listening as I did last night to Arcane's new CD 'Aftersitill', a round up of newish > and old live tracks and to Radio Massacre International's 'Republic', I think these > artists are out there trying to push back the boundaries and carry on the EM > tradition, doing wonderful work and making truly excellent music whereas much of TD's > work in the last 15 years has been routine and average at best which occasional > glimpses of their previous best selves. > > Obviousy musical choice is a personal thing and subject to being engaged on some > level we don't quite understand. Therefore this isn't intended to decry your > thoughts, only to offer an alternative view point. > > cheers > Mark > > N.P. Chris Franke - The London Concert > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL Hi > Hey Mark, I've been meaning to tell you that you should carry your butt over > to beyond_em @yahoogroups where we discuss many of those EM groups / > artist's works. Many of these artist's are on the list themselves. There's a > few of us from here that are also there. You'd enjoy yourself there. Ohh I'll check it out. I'm in a load of other electronic groups including Electronic@yahoogroups.com Indeed I was posting only last night. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL You probably missed the original comment that I replied where the person who wrote the list proclaimed Gather Darkness to be 'weak' and Future Wreck to be only 'quite good'. Two comments that I completely disagree with. I was then surprised to see them on his current playlist and so wondered if he actually liked the other stuff on his list which in my opinion varied wildly in quality. For instance I would not rate Under the Dome in the same breath as Arcane or RMI..although I appreciate their efforts. I also see that you agree with my view on TD's music of the past 15 years....so perhaps you are not offering so much of an alternate viewpoint after all but merely misunderstanding the thread? jack >From: 'Mark Coyle' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL >Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:39:14 -0000 > >HI > > > Do you actually enjoy a lot of these other albums? I ask because given >your > > thoughts on Arcane and then considering your playlist (many of which I > > consider to be amateurish at best) I have to wonder at your reasoning, > > particularly as you claim also to like Great Wall of China and the >slightly > > less awful Mars Polaris. What is it that makes people buy TD these days >I > > wonder?....brains clouded by nostalgia perhaps? > >Not that it was my list but who is it you consider to be amateurish? >Recent TD or >the likes of Under The Dome, Arcane, Radio Massacre International, Air >Sculpture, Vir >Unis etc. To call any of those amateurish would be suprising, each of >those is >fantastic in their own right for me. Just because someone is a TD fan >doesn't make >them a fan of electronic music in general and often fans ears are closed to >other EM >artists. This is not a problem for anyone, only in that we shouldn't >assume that >because something is TD, or has been influenced by it, it is therefore bad. > If this >was the case the only rock music would ever have been is Robert Johnson. >I'm sure >you get my drift. > >Listening as I did last night to Arcane's new CD 'Aftersitill', a round up >of newish >and old live tracks and to Radio Massacre International's 'Republic', I >think these >artists are out there trying to push back the boundaries and carry on the >EM >tradition, doing wonderful work and making truly excellent music whereas >much of TD's >work in the last 15 years has been routine and average at best which >occasional >glimpses of their previous best selves. > >Obviousy musical choice is a personal thing and subject to being engaged on >some >level we don't quite understand. Therefore this isn't intended to decry >your >thoughts, only to offer an alternative view point. > >cheers >Mark > >N.P. Chris Franke - The London Concert > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Dont forget , there`s always room for ED in the Village people now that the biker blokle is dead . http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Kramer To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > I'd pick Dave Law of SMD for his Edgar style business acumen or maybe > Stephen Hawkings for his Edgar like keyboard skills, or ideally perhaps both > of them could join and form a threesome with Jerome.... and if they get a > break they could write music too....failing this I'd go for Rolf Harris and > his stylaphone...oh, hang on they don't do EM music do they...so in that > case I'd have to say I'd like to see that famous cardboard cut-out of Chris > Franke that appeared on all the TD albums get a chance to do some stuff. > jack > > > >From: 'Deborah Johnson' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:37:07 -0500 > > > > > >If you could have your pick of anyone out there doing EM music today, who > >would you pick to join Jerome when/if Edgar retires? > > > >Just curious... > > > >Deb H-J > >drbjohn@e... > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ > >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > >Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 6:02 pm Subject: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... Hi > You probably missed the original comment that I replied where the person who > wrote the list proclaimed Gather Darkness to be 'weak' and Future Wreck to > be only 'quite good'. Two comments that I completely disagree with. I was > then surprised to see them on his current playlist and so wondered if he > actually liked the other stuff on his list which in my opinion varied wildly > in quality. For instance I would not rate Under the Dome in the same breath > as Arcane or RMI..although I appreciate their efforts. I also see that you > agree with my view on TD's music of the past 15 years....so perhaps you are > not offering so much of an alternate viewpoint after all but merely > misunderstanding the thread? Ah I see, yes I understand the point now. As the list is quiet I thought I'd keep things moving along a bit! I think there have been TD flashes but if you collect EM then some of the TD releases pale beside them. For example the two scorching albums of lead guitar led power synths by Walter Holland are absolute dynamite that I'm sure most TD fans would appreciate (once jaws have been picked up). I really want TD to be at their peak but like most bands, it is unlikely to happen. I understand their desire to move forward and not be hostages to their past but I prefer to see it more as a lineage or heritage than a legacy. Just listened to Purple Waves by Franke off the London Concert, it's very good. In fact it's hard to tell from TD apart form being 'cleaner' and with more digital keyboards (including subtle electric piano). When he lets off the sync-ed pitch-bended melody at the end I keep thinking of the same sound doing a similar thing on Logos (which I love and people seem to think is a bit weak, there again it was my first TD). cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26502 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Frank Arellano Sat 3/17/2001 5 KB 26506 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Jack Kramer Sat 3/17/2001 6 KB 26508 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Marcel Engels Sun 3/18/2001 2 KB 26514 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Jack Kramer Sun 3/18/2001 3 KB 26515 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Marcel Engels Sun 3/18/2001 3 KB 26521 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Feldon Feldon Mon 3/19/2001 4 KB 26539 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Jack Kramer Mon 3/19/2001 5 KB 26568 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... j.gordon Thu 3/22/2001 4 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 7:57 pm Subject: D: Solo [Klaus Schulze - Royal Festival Hall Vol.1] Yes, Dune title track is really beautiful, strangely beautiful as I said. But it's hard to listen. The same goes for Royal Festival Hall Vol.1. When I decided to go and hunt KS music, I went to a store which rents music CDs, VHS, DVD, videogames etc., and the only KS CD they had was Royal Fest. Hall Vol.1. They had also some 10 TD CDs, all of which I rented and copied for me (I know, it's a sin, but I don't have much money and back in early 2000 I was very hungry for TD albums. Someday I'll certainly buy the originals.) The Royal Festival Hall CDs, a double CD set, vol.1 and 2 sold separately (AFAIK), are very interesting. Each of the CDs has half of the concert, 40 minutes of music, plus a 20 minute studio piece composed in the same year, and the same style. Here's what I can say about vol.1, which is what I have and was my first KS cd (actually cd-r). The CD, like Dune, is hard to listen. I took several listens to really enjoy it. It's one of the CDs from KS's sampling period, so it has lots of samples, and some are used a lot. It opens with a very, very hard, slow intro, perfectly called 'Out of Limbo', full of creepy vocal sounds, percussion sounds, samples, and not a single melody line or rhythm. The music slowly gets more tense, with more screams, voices and sounds, and then suddenly, 7 minutes after the beginning, the melody begins, with a lovely, soft piano, in the section called 'Pastorale'. Then also a low pulsating sound comes, and it is the only constant sound for a long time, until the final section of 'Pastorale and Departure'. At 12'26' the pulse gets darker and faster, in the 1-minute long section called Lull Before The Storm. Then 'Tempest' comes, the choral pulse changes again and long guitar-ish notes are played. At 16'29' begins 'Pastorale Too', which is followed by 'Pastoral and Departure'. Then at 24'33', begins the climax of this track, Yearning, a nervous 6 minute long section with lots of percussion and vocal sounds. Then the track, called 'Yen', slowly dies, with 'Placid Yen', then 'The Breath of Life', and finally ends like it began, with 'Back to Limbo'. The almost total lack of strong themes, the chaotic nature of the track with all those samples of voices, bird sounds, screams and other sounds and its very slow development and progression, with beginning, development, climax and conclusion makes 'Yen' a fascinating track. 'Silence and Sequence' is the 25 minute studio track recorded in this CD. It begins with 'Perigee', a sample feast, with samples of percussion, people saying unindentified things or just nonsense, and many other different samples. At around 3 minutes begins a low synth background and the samples get more silent until there's just the background. The background begins to become a slow melody of long notes. 'Gentle Wind', the next section is presented by a nice bass sound slowly playing a very Schulzean melody, soft choral sounds (just two chords being repeated one after the another) and bird samples. Then suddenly the key and tempo are changed, and a very nice pulsating music is formed, with lots of string and choral sounds, while the bass sound continues to be played the same way. Suddenly begins 'Fire-Riser', a masterfully played sequence, heavy in percussion, the best 7 minutes of the CD. It's really a fantastic sequence, dare I say better than many sequences TD have done in their golden days. It reminds me a bit of Silver Scale, one TD's best sequence-based tracks. This CD is worth buying just for this sequence.As quickly as it began, at 11'54', it ends at 19'14', and the last section, more silent than the intro, 'Clear Water' is played. The sections titles really help to describe the music. Someone asked for a map for the 90s Schulze albums. I heartily recommend this great album. I've never heard Vol.2 but it must be good too. But for some people it can be quite boring. You just have to set your mind frequencies to the slow development of Yen. The first time I played it I thought it was terribly long and mostly boring, but now I think it's a bit short and fascinating. GJ np Fire-Riser (near the end, got the not-so-often played CD-R to write this post) >As far as the track Dune itself is concerned, however, I cannot see why some >people find those lovely string-y textures and melodies boring. Yes, it does >take a while to develop. But that is part of the appeal. >Try the Royal Festival Hall concerts, though - veeeeeeery nice. >Dennis Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 7:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... The person who proclaimed Arcane's first one to be 'weak' I believe was none other than our very own Mr. Feldman. I also just wanted to express my opinion that Under The Dome's release I thought was quite good, atleast equal to Arcane's releases. One other group whose name seems to be omitted from this list of similar vein would be Can Atilla. Never heard of Walter Holland. What specific rec's can you make and can you expound on his style or make references ? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Coyle' To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... > Hi > > > You probably missed the original comment that I replied where the person who > > wrote the list proclaimed Gather Darkness to be 'weak' and Future Wreck to > > be only 'quite good'. Two comments that I completely disagree with. I was > > then surprised to see them on his current playlist and so wondered if he > > actually liked the other stuff on his list which in my opinion varied wildly > > in quality. For instance I would not rate Under the Dome in the same breath > > as Arcane or RMI..although I appreciate their efforts. I also see that you > > agree with my view on TD's music of the past 15 years....so perhaps you are > > not offering so much of an alternate viewpoint after all but merely > > misunderstanding the thread? > > Ah I see, yes I understand the point now. As the list is quiet I thought I'd keep > things moving along a bit! > > I think there have been TD flashes but if you collect EM then some of the TD releases > pale beside them. For example the two scorching albums of lead guitar led power > synths by Walter Holland are absolute dynamite that I'm sure most TD fans would > appreciate (once jaws have been picked up). I really want TD to be at their peak but > like most bands, it is unlikely to happen. I understand their desire to move > forward and not be hostages to their past but I prefer to see it more as a lineage or > heritage than a legacy. > > Just listened to Purple Waves by Franke off the London Concert, it's very good. In > fact it's hard to tell from TD apart form being 'cleaner' and with more digital > keyboards (including subtle electric piano). When he lets off the sync-ed > pitch-bended melody at the end I keep thinking of the same sound doing a similar > thing on Logos (which I love and people seem to think is a bit weak, there again it > was my first TD). > > cheers > Mark > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 8:24 pm Subject: Re: Walter Holland Hi >Never heard of Walter > Holland. What specific rec's can you make and can you expound on his style > or make references ? He made two albums, The Transience Of Love and Relativity which are what would have to be called, synth-rock. There are banks of analogue sequencing but married to a hard, pounding rock beat and propulsive bass, over the top is some of the most sorching lead I've heard, very Gottsching or Frose. It's all woven together in an energetic production that makes it really exciting. I think there's one other album but it's more soundtracky as opposed to these. I'll be happy to make an MP3/RA file of a sample track if wanted. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 8:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Deborah Johnson wrote: > > If you could have your pick of anyone out there doing EM music today, who > would you pick to join Jerome when/if Edgar retires? I'll bite. This looks like a fun exercise... My suggestions would be, by alphabetical order: Marcel Engels Paul Lawler Peter Mergener Grant Middleton Andy Pickford -- Jorge Figueiredo From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 10:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness glynn_naughton@h... wrote: > It still amazes me that in 1987 they could countenance making an album of > William Blake poetry done in the same style as those dreadful songs that > Shirley Bassey used to sing on 'Sunday Night at the Royal Palladium'-style > shows back in the tacky 'ole 70s ('Tyger') or spoken in the manner of an > over-serious teenager trying to put some drama into a poetry recital > ('London'). > > Then again, I've a sneaking admiration for the early 90s incarnation > of TD (a grumpy old bloke and his fat son together with some friends > with ripped leather jackets and Marhsall amplifiers all pretending to > be Guns 'n' Roses). Ha ha ha ha! Those two paragraphs are just priceless. It's true though...for a band which still claims to be 'visionary' and 'leading edge', it's amazing how often TD has struck five years too late. Cyclone was their 'prog rock' album at a time when they should have been new wave. Tyger and Melrose were their New Age albums when they should have been techno. 220 Volt was their Hair Band album when it should have been alternative. Now they're going dance club when the most adventurous bands are doing Can-influenced post rock. The lack of fashionability comes across in the band's appearance too. I mean Edgar...lose the mullet and aviator shades. As for Jerome's 'goth' hair...it's is so old that it's almost cool again. I imagine it's about time for a neon-colour-legwarmers 80s revival. But you know what? I don't care whether TD is 'fashionable' or breaking new ground, as long as the music's good. The problem for me is that over the past ten years, their music has often failed to meet that one criterion. If I hadn't become a fan of TD back in the 80s, there's no way that I'd be buying their stuff now. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26567 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness j.gordon Thu 3/22/2001 2 KB From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 11:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... Ha Ha you've got to be joking....UTD equal to Arcane??? sometimes I really wonder what criteria people have for judging musical ability...and now I'm thinking that Hearsay are N0 1 in the charts and this reminded me that 99 percent of the population are gullible dolts...Can Attilla btw directly rips off TD and it's a wonder he hasn't been sued....it's not just a case of influence here but actual stealing of whole sections of TD's music....so in that sense he really isn't worth mentioning alongside RMI, Arcane, Redshift and Airsculpture. jack >From: 'Frank Arellano' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... >Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:59:11 -0700 > >The person who proclaimed Arcane's first one to be 'weak' I believe was >none >other than our very own Mr. Feldman. I also just wanted to express my >opinion that Under The Dome's release I thought was quite good, atleast >equal to Arcane's releases. One other group whose name seems to be omitted >from this list of similar vein would be Can Atilla. Never heard of Walter >Holland. What specific rec's can you make and can you expound on his style >or make references ? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'Mark Coyle' >To: >Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 11:02 AM >Subject: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... > > > > Hi > > > > > You probably missed the original comment that I replied where the >person >who > > > wrote the list proclaimed Gather Darkness to be 'weak' and Future >Wreck >to > > > be only 'quite good'. Two comments that I completely disagree with. I >was > > > then surprised to see them on his current playlist and so wondered if >he > > > actually liked the other stuff on his list which in my opinion varied >wildly > > > in quality. For instance I would not rate Under the Dome in the same >breath > > > as Arcane or RMI..although I appreciate their efforts. I also see >that >you > > > agree with my view on TD's music of the past 15 years....so perhaps >you >are > > > not offering so much of an alternate viewpoint after all but merely > > > misunderstanding the thread? > > > > Ah I see, yes I understand the point now. As the list is quiet I thought >I'd keep > > things moving along a bit! > > > > I think there have been TD flashes but if you collect EM then some of >the >TD releases > > pale beside them. For example the two scorching albums of lead guitar >led >power > > synths by Walter Holland are absolute dynamite that I'm sure most TD >fans >would > > appreciate (once jaws have been picked up). I really want TD to be at >their peak but > > like most bands, it is unlikely to happen. I understand their desire >to >move > > forward and not be hostages to their past but I prefer to see it more as >a >lineage or > > heritage than a legacy. > > > > Just listened to Purple Waves by Franke off the London Concert, it's >very >good. In > > fact it's hard to tell from TD apart form being 'cleaner' and with more >digital > > keyboards (including subtle electric piano). When he lets off the >sync-ed > > pitch-bended melody at the end I keep thinking of the same sound doing a >similar > > thing on Logos (which I love and people seem to think is a bit weak, >there >again it > > was my first TD). > > > > cheers > > Mark > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26508 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Marcel Engels Sun 3/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 11:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? I'd like to see TD work with somebody interesting like Steve Reich... after all they've kind of collaborated in the past given that Risky Business track 'Love on a Real Train' sounds virtually identical to Reich's earlier Music for 18 Musicians....and they do actually admit the ahem...influence. Reich has also shown an interest in digital technology and......oh, I can't be bothered carrying on with this it'll never happen.....how about a collaboration with Brittany Spears? jack >From: Jorge Figueiredo >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:39:55 +0000 > > > >Deborah Johnson wrote: > > > > > If you could have your pick of anyone out there doing EM music today, >who > > would you pick to join Jerome when/if Edgar retires? > >I'll bite. This looks like a fun exercise... > >My suggestions would be, by alphabetical order: >Marcel Engels >Paul Lawler >Peter Mergener >Grant Middleton >Andy Pickford > >-- >Jorge Figueiredo > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26510 Re: Future of TD?? PENFOLD Sun 3/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 9:14 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... > From: Jack Kramer [mailto:jackkkramer@h...] > > Ha Ha you've got to be joking....UTD equal to Arcane??? sometimes > I really > wonder what criteria people have for judging musical > ability... There isn't any criteria... It is all a matter of taste. Could be wrong though and I'm from another planet. :-) I happen to like UTD's material, especially Flussiger 4 Takt... Whats this discussion about really? Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] >From: 'Mark Coyle' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Hi > >Baumann's solo was Phase By Phase wasn't it? (Could be wrong), I just have >a >compilation but it's fairly average. Baumann also has the worthless 'Repeat Repeat', the interesting 'Transharmonic Nights' (which I've just stumbled upon in my closet so pencil it into my review list!), and 'Romance '76' (am i remembering right?) which I have not heard. The only Haslinger solos I've heard were the Octahedron I and II demos he did in 89. They blow away most of the TD stuff from that era. Too bad that whole thing fizzled. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: PENFOLD Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? At 01.03.17 23:35, Jack Kramer wrote: >.....how about a collaboration with Brittany Spears? Ewwwwwwww! End Of The World As We Know It! Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Thomas Bertilsson' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 9:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Epsilon in Malaysian Pale Epsilon in Malaysian Pale is such a masterpiece. At first I was bothered by the bad sound quality, but after hearing it a couple of times I started hearing beyond that. I used to have a pretty bad vinyl copy only, but some nice friend here on the list made me a nice offer on a copy on CD, so now I can play it as much as I want.... and that's a lot! The disc is a regular visitor in my CD-player. It is evidence of how much I like it and how it interests me and catches my attention. The beautiful layers of sounds just wrap around me and sweeps me away to some distant place. It's very relaxing and calming, but also engaging. The album itself is evidence of how hard it must have been to make music like that in those days. How creativity had to be in charge of the poor technical support offered by e-instruments back then. I think that the imperfect sound quality adds to the charm and uniqueness, and makes it an unrepeatable success. Edgar's greatest work in my mind, with Pinnacles chasing behind as a good second. For you out there who havn't heard it yet, any chance you get, please do. It will give you a new perspective of Rubycon and Phaedra. I always thought that Edgar's solo work was like 'sound research' for the TD group efforts. Good listening. Thomas St.Paul MN _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 4:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Epsilon in Malaysian Pale For you out there who havn't heard it yet, any chance you get, please do. It will give you a new perspective of Rubycon and Phaedra. I always thought that Edgar's solo work was like 'sound research' for the TD group efforts. Good listening. Thomas *Thomas, I agree with your sentiments exactly... EIMP is one of the greatest triumphs of the 'Berlin School' in more ways than just the music itself... Edgar's supreme melodic moment IMO... Peace, Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Epsilon in Malaysian Pale I agree wholeheartedly with the positive comments regarding 'Epsilon' and certainly whenever I wish to lay back and drift it's the first CD I reach for. My other favourite recording for similar aural pacification is KLF's 'Chill Out' try it and see what I mean....... not as serene as Edgar's work but a masterpiece of sampling and sound sculpting IMO. ATB Phil N.P. Mario Schonwalder ' Eye Of The Chameleon' From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... I quite like UTD too...they're not bad....Although it seems obvious to me that some bands are amateur bedroom boys where as others have a real sense of musicality, professionalism and production and I'm constantly surprised that some people don't wish to recognize the difference and will happily show a preference towards ineptitude because they feel they have discovered a little private area of the world that they can call their own...which is fine by me but you can't put perfume on a pig and say.... in all honesty.....that it smells of roses... jack >From: 'Marcel Engels' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... >Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 01:14:21 -0800 > > > From: Jack Kramer [mailto:jackkkramer@h...] > > > > Ha Ha you've got to be joking....UTD equal to Arcane??? sometimes > > I really > > wonder what criteria people have for judging musical > > ability... > >There isn't any criteria... >It is all a matter of taste. >Could be wrong though and I'm from another planet. :-) >I happen to like UTD's material, especially Flussiger >4 Takt... >Whats this discussion about really? > >Marcel >http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels >mengels@w... > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26515 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Marcel Engels Sun 3/18/2001 3 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 12:13 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... > From: Jack Kramer [mailto:jackkkramer@h...] Okay, but for the 'professionals' it is their day-time job. We as 'bedroom musicians' do this more as a hobby. Anyway for me personally the bedroom musos are producing far more interesting music these days then the 'professionals'. The bedroom musos have to start somewhere and labels are not jumping up and down for contracting them and giving them the studio-tools them may need. I like that little private area... it's probably the same little area TD and others had in 'those' days and when the Hollywood years came and 'professionalism' and production came then for me the music died. But imo this discussion is useless...it's all a matter of taste. There is no good or bad. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > I quite like UTD too...they're not bad....Although it seems obvious to me > that some bands are amateur bedroom boys where as others have a > real sense > of musicality, professionalism and production and I'm constantly > surprised > that some people don't wish to recognize the difference and will happily > show a preference towards ineptitude because they feel they have > discovered > a little private area of the world that they can call their > own...which is > fine by me but you can't put perfume on a pig and say.... in all > honesty.....that it smells of roses... > jack From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 3:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Epsilon in Malaysian Pale KLF 'Chillout' ? Excuse my ignorance, but are we talking about Klaus Schulze? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Phil White' To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Epsilon in Malaysian Pale > I agree wholeheartedly with the positive comments > regarding 'Epsilon' and certainly whenever I wish > to lay back and drift it's the first CD I reach for. > My other favourite recording for similar aural > pacification is KLF's 'Chill Out' try it and see what > I mean....... not as serene as Edgar's work but a > masterpiece of sampling and sound sculpting IMO. > > ATB Phil > > N.P. Mario Schonwalder ' Eye Of The Chameleon' > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 3:53 pm Subject: Epsilon This requires me to get out my vinyl player. I think its a great album David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 3:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Epsilon in Malaysian Pale HI > KLF 'Chillout' ? Excuse my ignorance, but are we talking about Klaus > Schulze? No Jimmy Cauty and Bill Patterson, the UK dance/ambient band The KLF (The Kommunications Liberation Front) also known as the JAMMS (Justified Ancients Of Mu Mu). The album is truly brilliant and a pivotal point in electronic music. The band also had lots of dance music hits in the UK by taking elements of this album and turning them into 'stadium-house' as they called it, epics. Really innovative stuff. The album is late night listening and decribes a journey across the US in a car with the radio turning into various stations with songs and voices drifting in and out, sheep bleeting, trains passing and the like. It's an intense trip though, be warned it was mixed to have a psychoactive effect like Rod Modells 'Sonic Continuum' from last year. Snatches of Stranger On The Shore, In The Getto, Alabtross and more drift by, with delay and all kinds of effects. This is the roots from which The Orb was formed (Jimmy Cauty was in Space, an earlier version with Alex of the Orb). Their 'A Huge Ever Growing Brain.....' is derived from the same ethos. The band deliberately stopped releasing music and said they will only release a record when world peace is achieved although a number of rare tracks have turned up. There is an amazing 30 minute ambient track with a Martin Sheen like Apocalypse Now voice over about their legendary taking of loads of journalists to a remote Scottish Isle to witness strange ceremonies and later, the burning of Ł1Million (which they did, in private after auctioning it off at a reserve price which wasn't achieved). cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: PENFOLD Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Slightly OT: TD sighting in 'Spinal Tap' I sat down again to watch Spinal Tap on DVD, with the audio commentary by the band members turned on and noticed a sighting of TD. In the scene where they're in the record store to autograph copies of their album _Smell The Glove_ the camera switches to catch the dialogue between Artie Flufkin(sp? (played by a young Paul Shaeffer with hair) and the record store owner, right there in the foreground plain as day is the unmistakable red cover of _Tangram_! Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26520 Re: Slightly OT: TD sighting in 'Spinal Tap' odean@m... Sun 3/18/2001 2 KB 26532 Re: Slightly OT: TD sighting in 'Spinal Tap' Joe Shoults Mon 3/19/2001 2 KB From: odean@m... Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Slightly OT: TD sighting in 'Spinal Tap' At 11:10 AM 3/18/01 -0800, you wrote: > I sat down again to watch Spinal Tap on DVD, with the audio > commentary by >the band members turned on and noticed a sighting of TD. > In the scene where they're in the record store to autograph > copies of >their album _Smell The Glove_ the camera switches to catch the dialogue >between Artie Flufkin(sp? (played by a young Paul Shaeffer with hair) and >the record store owner, right there in the foreground plain as day is the >unmistakable red cover of _Tangram_! > >Pete Isaacson Sorry to burst your Tangram bubble, but this has already been mentioned a few times on the list. 'O' From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... Yes, I agree. Classifying musicians as 'professionals' vs. the 'bedroom types' is ludicrous in this day-and-age. That's like saying only people who have gone to college are capable of producing good movies. -Morgan >From: 'Marcel Engels' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... >Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:13:06 -0800 > > > From: Jack Kramer [mailto:jackkkramer@h...] > >Okay, but for the 'professionals' it is their day-time >job. We as 'bedroom musicians' do this more as a hobby. >Anyway for me personally the bedroom musos are producing >far more interesting music these days then the >'professionals'. >The bedroom musos have to start somewhere and labels >are not jumping up and down for contracting them and >giving them the studio-tools them may need. >I like that little private area... it's probably the >same little area TD and others had in 'those' days >and when the Hollywood years came and 'professionalism' >and production came then for me the music died. >But imo this discussion is useless...it's all a matter >of taste. There is no good or bad. > >Marcel >http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels >mengels@w... > > > I quite like UTD too...they're not bad....Although it seems obvious to >me > > that some bands are amateur bedroom boys where as others have a > > real sense > > of musicality, professionalism and production and I'm constantly > > surprised > > that some people don't wish to recognize the difference and will happily > > show a preference towards ineptitude because they feel they have > > discovered > > a little private area of the world that they can call their > > own...which is > > fine by me but you can't put perfume on a pig and say.... in all > > honesty.....that it smells of roses... > > jack > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 6:58 am Subject: Homepage update: www.opticaldream.de Hi all, My Tangerine Dream Homepage was updated at: 18.03.2001 Please jump to: www.opticaldream.de Regards Heiko from Burg/Germany See you at London in May and Bernau/Berlin in October!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 9:21 am Subject: OT: Leonard Nimoy should eat more salsa This is probably very old news, cos I see that the site has been up since 1996, but I've only just discovered it and I thought it was very funny: www.lnsemsf.com Also in a Star Trek mode, see the William Shatner Acting Simulator at www.hecklers.com Glynn From: gmroger@p... Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 11:52 am Subject: Re: Solo artists to discuss From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... > Subject: Re: Sols artists to discuss > > Roger, > > What criteria are you using to evaluate 'long-term contribution' to TD's > musical success? :-) > > Cordially, > > Dave Kaufman What I mean by this is those performers who have contributed to the group as composers and performers over a period of time, and not just for one album. Let's face it, do we all consider Klaus Schulze as ex-TD when he was only on the first album? I suggest for those who want to discuss Klaus' work should join a discussion group dedicated to his work. Here's how, IMO, the solo lists should be looked at: Edgar Froese: Aqua, Epsilon in Malaysian Pale, Macula Transfer, Ages, Stuntman, Kamikaze 1989, Pinnacles, and Beyond the Storm (most of which was previously unreleased material.) Those who enjoyed the 'different' mix of Maroubra Bay (or was it Epsilon) on 'Electronic Dreams' might want to include this, as well as the five remixes to be found on 'Solo'. Chris (topher) Franke: Pacific Coast Highway, Universal Soldier, The London Concert, New Music for Films Vols.1 & 2, Klemania (of which there are three versions? I know of two, the second having the extension of 'Morphing Space' ), Raven, Babylon 5 Volumes 1-4, Night of the Running Man, The Celestine Prophecy, Tenchi-Muyo in Love, Perry Rhodan, Pacific Blue. I suspect this may not be the complete list, and 'Epic'/'Enchanting Nature' are compilations. As for 'Transformation of the Mind'... I don't know if this counts as this is words over music (not Vocals!). Peter Baumann: Romance '76, Trans Harmonic Nights, Repeat Repeat, Strangers in the Night. I believe he also did an album with someone called Koek, but I think this takes us away from our criteria. 'Phase by Phase' is also a compilation. Johannes Schmoelling: Wuivend Riet, The Zoo of Tranquillity (1988 & 1998 versions), White Out (1990 & 2000 versions), Songs No Words. 'Der Zaubergeiger Settembrini'... see 'Transformation of the Mind' Paul Haslinger Future Primative, World Without Rules, Hidden (as Coma Virus), Planetary Traveller, Score. To my knowledge Linda Spa and Jerome Froese :) haven't released solo material. So, that's 39 albums, which I think should be enough... by the end, we'll all want to do something else. Roger -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26526 Re: Solo artists to discuss Mark Coyle Mon 3/19/2001 2 KB 26527 Re: Solo artists to discuss Synthhtnys@a... Mon 3/19/2001 2 KB 26533 Re: Solo artists to discuss quarlie@a... Mon 3/19/2001 2 KB 26535 Re: Solo artists to discuss Joe Shoults Mon 3/19/2001 3 KB 26540 Re: Solo artists to discuss Jack Kramer Mon 3/19/2001 2 KB 26541 Re: Solo artists to discuss Michal Moroz Mon 3/19/2001 2 KB 26543 Re: Solo artists to discuss Mark Coyle Mon 3/19/2001 3 KB 26550 Re: Solo artists to discuss gmroger@p... Wed 3/21/2001 6 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 11:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] pop composers classical music TD vehicle Oh God! The flashbacks to my mis-spent youth. Upon listening the new ELP collection recently. I realised that I would have probably grown to love this had I not discovered TD instead. Saved indeed!! Best wishes Brian --------------------- <> And lets not forget the early work of King Crimson and Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, who covered pieces by Bartok, Janacek, and a host of others, often uncredited. It isn't bad stuff! Deb H-J --------------- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 12:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Solo artists to discuss Hi, thanks for the comprehensive list. I would add in Michael Hoenig too, if only because his excellent, Departure From A Northern Wasteland could have been released as a TD album it's so close to their sound. Early Water while excellent is less related to TD. While he wasn't with the band for too long, his playing with them is widely respected. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 12:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Solo artists to discuss In a message dated 3/19/2001 4:46:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, markcoyleuk@y... writes: > I would add in Michael Hoenig too, if only because his excellent, Departure > From > Northern Wasteland could have been released as a TD album. *I'll second that emotion... DFTNW is one of the greats... Peace, Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 12:13 am Subject: Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:28:19 -0000 'Jack Kramer' writes: > Ha Ha you've got to be joking....UTD equal to Arcane??? sometimes I > really wonder what criteria people have for judging musical ability... I prefer THE DEMON HAUNTED WORLD to GATHER DARKNESS. Musical ability doesn' t necessarily make for good music. There are plenty of studio musicians who compose absolute crap. >[. . .] Can Attilla btw directly rips off TD and it's a wonder he hasn't been sued....it's not just a case of influence here but actual stealing of whole >sections of TD's music....so in that sense he really isn't worth mentioning >alongside [. . .] Arcane. Feh. Sorry, but I find Arcane every bit as derivative as Can Atilla's AVE album. I really only like one track on AVE, though: 'Time Seller Under the Rain.' > jack Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26531 Re: Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. lawlermusic Mon 3/19/2001 3 KB 26534 Re: Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. lawlermusic Mon 3/19/2001 2 KB 26538 Re: Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. Jack Kramer Mon 3/19/2001 4 KB 26542 Re: Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. scfeldman@j... Mon 3/19/2001 5 KB From: gmroger@p... Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 1:37 pm Subject: Re: Eddy & Jerry's top ten > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:14:28 -0700 > From: 'Frank Arellano' > Subject: Re: Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten > > Roger, the one's I see you're missing are Mathew Sawyer's and Paul Lawler's. > Here's Mathew's : > > 1. Dream Encores [Wasn't on your list though] > 2. What A Blast > 3.Timesquare > 4. Mars Polaris > 5. Sony Topping Center [Wasn't on your list either] > > Paul's > > 1. Seven Letter's Of Tibet > 2. Seven Letter's Of Tibet > 3. Seven Letter's Of Tibet > 4. Seven Letter's Of Tibet > 5. Seven Letter's Of Tibet > > Just Kidding, Paul :-D > Okay......., here they are :-( > > Goblin's Club > Oasis > Rockoon > Timesquare > Valentine Wheels > > No particular order on Paul's > > Of course, Eric Rochon and Dennis Nigbur just posted theirs. Let me know if > you didn't get theirs, Roger. WHAT? Seven Letters of Tibet isn't Paul's fav rave of TD? Well, bugger me, I'd already earmarked it five points plus bonuses. Actually, I had received Paul's votes but (for some strange reason that I cannot figure out) I had missed him off my list! Sorry Paul me old chum. (By the way, do you know if Andy P is going to the concert?) I have Eric's and Dennis's votes, plus another set that follows your posting (as listed in the latest Digest). As for Mathew... Matt, mate, please resubmit your list. Dream Encores is a compilation, and includes tracks NOT performed by Eddy & Jerry, and The Sony Topping Out Ceremony... well, I'll count the points, but very few of us have it! Besides, isn't it an EP? If there isn't a further list, then I will list the Eddy & Jerry albums as 1, 2 & 3 (5, 4 & 3 points). At this stage, it would certainly affect 'Timesquare''s position in the chart. Roger -- From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 9:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 833 I totally agree, Marcel! (as a bedroom musician with some 6 hours of recorded work, including improvisations, early hobby XM experimental/crazy compositions and a 'serious' album-long XM composition, nearly finished (just beginning to compose the finale :) ) I think every musician should be given a listen. You can find some very good music in that way, or at least it's always interesting to hear different things. I'm always trying to do that, but I admit I don't always do. I have to say I've heard some very good bedroom music in the past 12 months. Gustavo ------ From: 'Marcel Engels' Subject: RE: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... Okay, but for the 'professionals' it is their day-time job. We as 'bedroom musicians' do this more as a hobby. Anyway for me personally the bedroom musos are producing far more interesting music these days then the 'professionals'. The bedroom musos have to start somewhere and labels are not jumping up and down for contracting them and giving them the studio-tools them may need. I like that little private area... it's probably the same little area TD and others had in 'those' days and when the Hollywood years came and 'professionalism' and production came then for me the music died. But imo this discussion is useless...it's all a matter of taste. There is no good or bad. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 3:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 12:13 AM Subject: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. >[. . .] Can Attilla btw directly rips off TD and it's a wonder he hasn't > been > sued....it's not just a case of influence here but actual stealing of > whole > >sections of TD's music....so in that sense he really isn't worth > mentioning > >alongside [. . .] Arcane. I`d very much like you to point out just which sections of TD I have *stolen* . If you could provide track numbers and timings that would be useful , as well as the timings and album names of the TD albums that they have been stolen from . Its easy to *sound* like anybody if you analyse the typical chords /sounds they use . You dont have to copy somebody to sound like them . > > Feh. Sorry, but I find Arcane every bit as derivative as Can > Atilla's > AVE album. Its meant to be though isn`t it .Thats the idea , make people forget that the CD they are listnening to isn`t TD . I dont mind people telling me that they dont like my work but dont go down the line that I am *stealing * other peoples music , otherwise we may fall out . Paul From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 3:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Slightly OT: TD sighting in 'Spinal Tap' that's OK. this list is no stranger to regurgitation! > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [tadream] Slightly OT: TD sighting in 'Spinal Tap' > >unmistakable red cover of _Tangram_! [..] > Sorry to burst your Tangram bubble, but this has already been > mentioned a few times on the list. From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 3:54 pm Subject: Re: Solo artists to discuss In a message dated 3/19/01 6:53:53 AM, gmroger@p... writes: >Paul Haslinger >Future Primative, World Without Rules, Hidden (as Coma Virus), >Planetary Traveller, Score. I believe Coma Virus was actually a collaborative project between Paul Haslinger and Brian Lustmord/Williams, so that might put it outside your criteria. I'm not 100% sure about that, though. (Williams also had something to do with 'Score,' but I think it was more production/engineering-related than compositional.) --Daniel NP: Covenant--Final Man From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 4:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 12:13 AM > Subject: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. > > > >[. . .] Can Attilla btw directly rips off TD and it's a wonder he hasn't > > been > > sued....it's not just a case of influence here but actual stealing of > > whole > > >sections of TD's music....so in that sense he really isn't worth > > mentioning > > >alongside [. . .] Arcane. > shall I try and read this mail again and realise that mr Feldman didn`t write 'Alongside Arcane' as a reply to the above section . Jees ! sometimes I`m a dufus . apologies !!!!!!!!!! ahem ! Paul From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 4:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Solo artists to discuss > -----Original Message----- > From: gmroger@p... [mailto:gmroger@p...] > not just for one album. Let's face it, do we all consider Klaus > Schulze as ex-TD when he was only on the first album? I suggest Well, Herr Schulze certainly considers himself ex-TD. I mean, I've always seen that label not too far from his name on his website or press references to him. Also, some might argue that Schulze continued to influence TD, in a competitive sort of way, even after he left. But due to the sheer volume of his work, it would be hard to cover his solo efforts. I agree with Gustavo's suggestion: just the first 3 albums or something. Same for Hoenig- just include Departure From Northern Wasteland. > for those who want to discuss Klaus' work should join a discussion > group dedicated to his work. I wouldn't be against having a Schulze-only thread someday. He and TD ran sorta parallel to each other on and off through the years. > Here's how, IMO, the solo lists should be looked at: Thanks for making the list, roger. I cleaned it up a little for viewability. feedback: what's the consensus on Schulze and Hoenig? -Joe =============================== Edgar Froese: Aqua Epsilon in Malaysian Pale Macula Transfer Ages Stuntman Kamikaze 1989 Pinnacles Beyond the Storm Electronic Dreams - backwards Maroubra Bay Chris Franke: Pacific Coast Highway Universal Soldier The London Concert New Music for Films Vols.1 & 2 Klemania Raven Babylon 5 Volumes 1-4 Night of the Running Man The Celestine Prophecy Tenchi-Muyo in Love Perry Rhodan Pacific Blue Epic Enchanting Nature Transformation of the Mind Peter Baumann: Romance '76 Trans Harmonic Nights Repeat Repeat, Strangers in the Night Phase by Phase Johannes Schmoelling: Wuivend Riet The Zoo of Tranquillity White Out Songs No Words Der Zaubergeiger Settembrini Paul Haslinger Future Primitive World Without Rules Hidden (as Coma Virus) Planetary Traveller Score From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 7:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? No I don't think so...I hear that the Village People actually perform live so that would be a problem.... jack >From: 'lawlermusic' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:35:50 -0000 > >Dont forget , there`s always room for ED in the Village people now that the >biker blokle is dead . > > > > >http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler >http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- >http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jack Kramer >To: >Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:41 PM >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > > > > I'd pick Dave Law of SMD for his Edgar style business acumen or maybe > > Stephen Hawkings for his Edgar like keyboard skills, or ideally perhaps >both > > of them could join and form a threesome with Jerome.... and if they get >a > > break they could write music too....failing this I'd go for Rolf Harris >and > > his stylaphone...oh, hang on they don't do EM music do they...so in that > > case I'd have to say I'd like to see that famous cardboard cut-out of >Chris > > Franke that appeared on all the TD albums get a chance to do some stuff. > > jack > > > > > > >From: 'Deborah Johnson' > > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > > >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:37:07 -0500 > > > > > > > > >If you could have your pick of anyone out there doing EM music today, >who > > >would you pick to join Jerome when/if Edgar retires? > > > > > >Just curious... > > > > > >Deb H-J > > >drbjohn@e... > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > >Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 6:22 pm Subject: [tadream] Hoenig Hi all, I have a copy of Michael Hoenig's 'Departure from the Northern Wasteland' LP which I want to get rid of, is anyone interested before I put it up on e-bay? Paul From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 6:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. Yes but he did say you were just as derivative as Can Attilla which is tantamount to the same thing. It probably doesn't matter that much to you what people say about Arcane but as a fan of your music and someone that hopes you'll keep on making albums I think it's pretty pathetic when somebody has to make such snide and unfounded innuendo's...particularly when he knows that you are a list member...I'm only sorry that it came as a result of a well founded comment that I made....so read his rubbish again and realize that you don't need to apologise and keep up the great work....what's happening with the Max Richter album btw? is it out soon? jack. >From: 'lawlermusic' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. >Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:07:41 -0000 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 12:13 AM > > Subject: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. > > > > > > >[. . .] Can Attilla btw directly rips off TD and it's a wonder he >hasn't > > > been > > > sued....it's not just a case of influence here but actual stealing of > > > whole > > > >sections of TD's music....so in that sense he really isn't worth > > > mentioning > > > >alongside [. . .] Arcane. > > >shall I try and read this mail again and realise that mr Feldman didn`t >write 'Alongside Arcane' as a reply to the above section . Jees ! sometimes >I`m a dufus . >apologies !!!!!!!!!! >ahem ! > >Paul > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 6:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... I don't agree with either of you... but it seems that my reply from yesterday has mysteriously not appeared on the list. jack >From: 'Feldon Feldon' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... >Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:09:50 -0600 > >Yes, I agree. Classifying musicians as 'professionals' vs. the 'bedroom >types' is ludicrous in this day-and-age. That's like saying only people who >have gone to college are capable of producing good movies. > >-Morgan > > > >From: 'Marcel Engels' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... > >Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:13:06 -0800 > > > > > From: Jack Kramer [mailto:jackkkramer@h...] > > > >Okay, but for the 'professionals' it is their day-time > >job. We as 'bedroom musicians' do this more as a hobby. > >Anyway for me personally the bedroom musos are producing > >far more interesting music these days then the > >'professionals'. > >The bedroom musos have to start somewhere and labels > >are not jumping up and down for contracting them and > >giving them the studio-tools them may need. > >I like that little private area... it's probably the > >same little area TD and others had in 'those' days > >and when the Hollywood years came and 'professionalism' > >and production came then for me the music died. > >But imo this discussion is useless...it's all a matter > >of taste. There is no good or bad. > > > >Marcel > >http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > >mengels@w... > > > > > I quite like UTD too...they're not bad....Although it seems obvious to > >me > > > that some bands are amateur bedroom boys where as others have a > > > real sense > > > of musicality, professionalism and production and I'm constantly > > > surprised > > > that some people don't wish to recognize the difference and will >happily > > > show a preference towards ineptitude because they feel they have > > > discovered > > > a little private area of the world that they can call their > > > own...which is > > > fine by me but you can't put perfume on a pig and say.... in all > > > honesty.....that it smells of roses... > > > jack > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ > >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > >Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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ID Date Size 26568 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... j.gordon Thu 3/22/2001 4 KB From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 6:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Solo artists to discuss >> >feedback: what's the consensus on Schulze and Hoenig? > >-Joe > I think Hoenig is weak sounding and his music is thin whilst Schulze is on the whole repetitive, overated and boring....apart from that I love them both... jack _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 6:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Solo artists to discuss >Chris Franke: >Pacific Coast Highway ... >Babylon 5 Volumes 1-4 What about the B5 episodic cds? Got few. Are there really B5 volumes 3 and 4? Never saw them in the big music stores and in the polish electronic music shop Generator only vol 1 and 2 are available TD-Station From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 6:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. [moderator: I'm letting Stephen clarify his statement, but before we get too deep into an episode of 'he said/he said' here, this is a TD fan list, not a TD-bashing list and certainly not a UTD, Can Atilla or Arcane bashing list. The rest of this personal stuff can be done offlist directly with each other, OK? Thanks, Joe] On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:08:15 -0000 'lawlermusic' writes: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 12:13 AM > Subject: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. >>[. . .] Can Attilla btw directly rips off TD and it's a wonder he >>hasn't been sued....it's not just a case of influence here but >>actual stealing of whole sections of TD's music....so in that >>sense he really isn't worth mentioning alongside [. . .] Arcane. > >I`d very much like you to point out just which sections of TD I >have *stolen* . If you could provide track numbers and timings >that would be useful , as well as the timings and album names >of the TD albums that they have been stolen from . First of all, I didn't say the above; I was *quoting a previous poster.* That said, I will go back and re-listen to your first two albums (the only ones I have, so far) and try to see what strikes me as major similiarities. I *do not* feel that you have swiped soundbites (like FSOL did on their LIFEFORMS album) per se. >Its easy to *sound* like anybody if you analyse the typical chords >/sounds they use . You dont have to copy somebody to sound >like them . Interesting. >> Feh. Sorry, but I find Arcane every bit as derivative as >Can Atilla's AVE album. > >Its meant to be though isn`t it .Thats the idea, make people >forget that the CD they are listnening to isn`t TD . It might work on someone not extremely familiar with TD, but for a fairly hardcore, non-musician fan like me, it is all too easy to tell the difference. When I listen to Under the Dome, it is always apparent that I am *not* listening to TD, but their Berlin school pedigree is closer to TD than to any any other band. The same goes for Ramp and Dweller at the Threshold. The only band I can think of that *really* apes TD to the point of audacity is Redshift, but I wouldn't say that Mark Shreeve is 'stealing' sections of TD: it is merely an insightful homage. >I dont mind people telling me that they dont like my work I do like your work, I'm just not ecstatic about it to the point of considering Arcane in the league of Tangerine Dream, Brian Eno and Robert Carty, that's all. >but dont go down the line that I am *stealing * other >peoples music, otherwise we may fall out . Again, I wasn't the one who said that. And I won't say anything like that re your music, anyways -- unless you ever actually *do* swipe something. ;) >Paul Steven Feldman, Arcane Fan From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 7:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Solo artists to discuss Hi > >Babylon 5 Volumes 1-4 > > What about the B5 episodic cds? > Got few. > > Are there really B5 volumes 3 and 4? > Never saw them in the big music stores and > in the polish electronic music shop Generator only vol 1 and 2 are available In Amazon I think I noticed it up to about 8 the other day. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Tue Mar 20, 2001 12:18 pm Subject: Re: Sols artists to discuss The Baumann in the Baumann/Koek album that Roger mentioned is not the Peter Baumann most of us are familiar with. This fact was reported in a magazine Horizon Music (sorry to promote this company, but what the heck, I'm the company president!) used to put out. Also, it could be misleading just to focus on how long a musician has been in TD. The fact of the matter is that certain people, even if they were members of TD for a brief period of time, contributed ideas and notions that shaped the band for years to come. For instance, Steve Jolliffe suggested back in the late 60s that the band be a trio -- a format that TD would have for most of the 70s and 80s. Of course, he could have been influenced by the fact that there were several rock trios in the late 60s -- Cream, the Jimi Hendrix Experience and The Nice, to name three. Additionally, I have heard the case made that Klaus Schulze first suggested that TD use synthesizers. Just food for thought... Dave Kaufman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Phil White' Date: Tue Mar 20, 2001 9:12 am Subject: Re: On the scrounge Hi Does anyone possibly have the cover art work for the TD at Lisner Auditorium Washington DC on 04.04.77 ? Any chance of e-mailing them to me off-list and I will be eternally grateful :o) Thanks in anticipation ATB Phil N.P. Synco 'Evolution Of Events' From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Mar 20, 2001 6:35 pm Subject: (two replies) Re: KS / Solo artists to discuss I agree Roger, although I really like KS (still not a huge fan), I think it's better to discuss the ones that really contributed to TD, like Klaus Krieger (kidding). Of course we can talk about KS, I think, but not in this situation, as he was just a founding member and was drumming in the first album, and his discography is as vast as TD's. I think the list Roger proposed is fine. About this Baumann/Koek album, it's not true. Someone in the list (sorry, forgot who it is) has a page called 'the Baumann/Koek error', which explains this. _________________________________________ From: gmroger@p... Subject: Re: Solo artists to discuss What I mean by this is those performers who have contributed to the group as composers and performers over a period of time, and not just for one album. Let's face it, do we all consider Klaus Schulze as ex-TD when he was only on the first album? I suggest for those who want to discuss [...] From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Tue Mar 20, 2001 12:29 pm Subject: Pheadra master tapes The bloke who owns the library music company I write for has a set of the original Pheadra master tapes from Virgin studios , complete with labels etc How much would this be worth ? Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26548 Re: Pheadra master tapes Heiko Heerssen Tue 3/20/2001 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Mar 20, 2001 1:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Pheadra master tapes lawlermusic schrieb: > The bloke who owns the library music company I write for has a set of the > original Pheadra master tapes from Virgin studios , complete with labels etc > How much would this be worth ? I'll send you 50 Pounds, please send it to my following address: ... ~lol~ Heiko From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 12:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Jack: << I'd like to see TD work with somebody interesting like Steve Reich... after all they've kind of collaborated in the past given that Risky Business track 'Love on a Real Train' sounds virtually identical to Reich's earlier Music for 18 Musicians.... >> I am a big fan of Steve Reich's, and while we're all fantasizing, would like to see him to a TD-related effort. Phillip Glass's renditions of David Bowie/Brian Eno work ('Heroes' and 'Low') are very, very nice. The Michael Nyman Band, with its early music 'Venetian' band sound, would also be interesting to see in a combo with TD, even though they're not primarily an EM group. I'll have to give the 'Love on a Real Train' a listening. Reich's 'Music for 18 Musicians' is an awesome piece. One of my favorites! Deb H-J drbjohn@e... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26552 Re: Future of TD?? glynn_naughton@h... Wed 3/21/2001 2 KB 26553 Re: Future of TD?? Don Wed 3/21/2001 3 KB 26565 copycats Armin Theissen Thu 3/22/2001 2 KB From: gmroger@p... Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 11:50 am Subject: Re: Solo artists to discuss To answer a few points raised recently: > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:33:01 -0000 > From: 'Mark Coyle' > Subject: Re: Re: Solo artists to discuss > > Hi, > > thanks for the comprehensive list. > > I would add in Michael Hoenig too, if only because his excellent, Departure From A > Northern Wasteland could have been released as a TD album it's so close to their > sound. Early Water while excellent is less related to TD. While he wasn't with the > band for too long, his playing with them is widely respected. > > cheers > Mark But there hasn't been any official TD releases with Michael's contributions, let alone one. We would have to rope in the other thirty plus other musicians if we have to stick to this criteria. > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:50:36 EST > From: Synthhtnys@a... > Subject: Re: Re: Solo artists to discuss > *I'll second that emotion... DFTNW is one of the greats... > Peace, > Poly As above! > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:54:30 EST > From: quarlie@a... > Subject: Re: Solo artists to discuss > > I believe Coma Virus was actually a collaborative project between Paul > Haslinger and Brian Lustmord/Williams, so that might put it outside your > criteria. I'm not 100% sure about that, though. (Williams also had something > to do with 'Score,' but I think it was more production/engineering-related > than compositional.) > > --Daniel I can neither confirm or verify this... I must admit I haven't collected the Haslinger albums. > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:40:34 -0500 > From: Joe Shoults > Subject: RE: Re: Solo artists to discuss > Well, Herr Schulze certainly considers himself ex-TD. I mean, I've always > seen that label not too far from his name on his website or press references > to him. Also, some might argue that Schulze continued to influence TD, in a > competitive sort of way, even after he left. But due to the sheer volume of > his work, it would be hard to cover his solo efforts. I agree with > Gustavo's suggestion: just the first 3 albums or something. Same for > Hoenig- just include Departure From Northern Wasteland. Klaus Krieger, Steve Joliffe and Conrad Schnitzler can also be considered ex TD, especially the latter who has released goodness knows how many albums, most of which are scarce or deleted, or were limited editions. > I wouldn't be against having a Schulze-only thread someday. He and TD ran > sorta parallel to each other on and off through the years. > feedback: what's the consensus on Schulze and Hoenig? > > -Joe How many of us are Schulze fans too? With the exception of Michel Hoenig, I agree with Jack... > Message: 18 > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:59:18 -0000 > From: 'Jack Kramer' > Subject: RE: Re: Solo artists to discuss > I think Hoenig is weak sounding and his music is thin whilst Schulze is on > the whole repetitive, overated and boring....apart from that I love them > both... > jack > Message: 19 > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:59:50 +0100 > From: 'Michal Moroz' > Subject: Re: Re: Solo artists to discuss > > >Chris Franke: > >Pacific Coast Highway > ... > >Babylon 5 Volumes 1-4 > > What about the B5 episodic cds? > Got few. > > Are there really B5 volumes 3 and 4? > Never saw them in the big music stores and > in the polish electronic music shop Generator only vol 1 and 2 are available > Volume 3 was titled 'In the Beginning', which ws a completely new soundtrack recorded by Chris for the feature length pilot episode, originally recorded by Stuart Copeland. Volume 4 is called 'Thirdspace', the title for one of the TV movies made after the series was completed. The B5 episodic cd's at most re 30 minutes long and in that sense I wouldn't really class them as 'albums', rather as EPs. > Message: 21 > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:50:33 -0000 > From: 'Mark Coyle' > Subject: Re: Re: Solo artists to discuss > In Amazon I think I noticed it up to about 8 the other day. > cheers Probably you would have to check the Sonic Images Web Site for this one. I think it main mean the episode discs. I have to say I would stick to my original suggestion regards solo artists. But it is only my suggestion. Roger -- From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 8:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > I'll have to give the 'Love on a Real Train' a listening. Reich's 'Music > for 18 Musicians' is an awesome piece. One of my favorites! > Deb H-J > drbjohn@e... *Yeah, big fan of Reich here too... I've found that the Schmoelling years had the most overt Reich influences... My fav. of Reich is 'Octet' and also has anyone heard 'Electric Counterpoint' which was performed by Pat Metheny? If anyone here likes Ashra's 'Inventions for electric guitar' you'll probably like it. Peace, Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 9:37 am Subject: Re: Future of TD?? > I'd like to see TD work with somebody interesting like Steve >Reich... > after > all they've kind of collaborated in the past given that Risky Business track > 'Love on a Real Train' sounds virtually identical to Reich's earlier Music > for 18 Musicians.... Much to Reich's annoyance. He once talked about suing TD over that soundtrack. Problem is, you can't copyright a style. Still, TD are certainly not among Reich's favourite people. Glynn From: 'Don' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 11:19 am Subject: Re: Future of TD?? Jack Kramer wrote: >> I'd like to see TD work with somebody >> interesting like Steve Reich... >> after all they've kind of collaborated >> in the past given that Risky Business >> track 'Love on a Real Train' sounds >> virtually identical to Reich's earlier >> Music for 18 Musicians.... Deborah Johnson writes: > I am a big fan of Steve Reich's, and > while we're all fantasizing, would like > to see him to a TD-related effort. > I'll have to give the 'Love on a Real > Train' a listening. Reich's 'Music for > 18 Musicians' is an awesome piece. > One of my favorites! Alas, I don't think Reich's sentiment towards the group is as positive: 'The whole soundtrack to the film 'Risky Business,' supposedly by a group called Tangerine Dream, was an out-and-out rip-off of 'Music for 18 Musicians.' I should have sued.' --Steve Reich; June 1, 1986. 'Come out, come out, come out to shodem, come out, come out to shodem...' -Don Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26565 copycats Armin Theissen Thu 3/22/2001 2 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 4:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Future of TD?? I always wanted to hear TD perform with an orchestra . The line up of Froese , Franke ,.Schmoelling , Morricone and the LSO might be good . Got more chance of the S.Bush gig being live though . I cant believe they even made Zlatco mime when they performed Dolphin Dance in the 97 your .You can hear it again on Valentine Wheels .You can tell that they are miming to old CDs by listening to the obviouse change of sound in Dolphin Dance and more so in Warsaw in the Sun .The sound becomes very harsh and tinny and doesn`t fit with the other tracks and the occassional new sound that appears over the top . Its not too much to ask for them (if they must mime) to actually make sure that the overall EQ and sound of the set matches .......is it ? Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) ----- Original Message ----- From: Don To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:19 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Future of TD?? > Jack Kramer wrote: > > >> I'd like to see TD work with somebody > >> interesting like Steve Reich... > >> after all they've kind of collaborated > >> in the past given that Risky Business > >> track 'Love on a Real Train' sounds > >> virtually identical to Reich's earlier > >> Music for 18 Musicians.... > > > Deborah Johnson writes: > > > I am a big fan of Steve Reich's, and > > while we're all fantasizing, would like > > to see him to a TD-related effort. > > > I'll have to give the 'Love on a Real > > Train' a listening. Reich's 'Music for > > 18 Musicians' is an awesome piece. > > One of my favorites! > > Alas, I don't think Reich's sentiment towards the group is as > positive: > > 'The whole soundtrack to the film 'Risky Business,' supposedly by a > group called Tangerine Dream, was an out-and-out rip-off of 'Music > for 18 Musicians.' I should have sued.' --Steve Reich; June 1, 1986. > > 'Come out, come out, come out to shodem, come out, come out to > shodem...' > > -Don > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26558 Re: Future of TD?? Gary Jenkins Wed 3/21/2001 4 KB From: Tom Richmond Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 4:46 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree follow-up Hey everybody! I haven't heard discussion of the Dreamwatchers' Tales discs on the lists, so thought I'd post a follow-up. If you are/were a participant in the tree, please let me know your status at trichmond@b... : - received copy - waiting to receive your copy - haven't heard jack-diddly-squat from your source I'd have thought everyone would have their copies by now, so if there are difficulties we should get to correcting any problems. Hope to hear from you all soon! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 6:21 pm Subject: Froese&Froese top five. Hello Everyone. Here is my Edgar&Jerome top five. 1,mars polaris 2,goblins club 3,dream mixes 2 4,seven letters from tibet. 5,oasis. Best regards to all. Astro Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26566 Re: Froese&Froese top five. Armin Theissen Thu 3/22/2001 2 KB 26572 Re: Froese&Froese top five. glynn_naughton@h... Thu 3/22/2001 3 KB 26582 Re: Froese&Froese top five. Armin Theissen Fri 3/23/2001 3 KB 26581 Re: Froese&Froese top five. Matthew Stringer Fri 3/23/2001 2 KB 26606 Re: Froese&Froese top five. Feldon Feldon Sun 3/25/2001 3 KB 26630 Re: Froese&Froese top five. glynn_naughton@h... Fri 3/30/2001 2 KB 26631 Re: Froese&Froese top five. goozer@a... Fri 3/30/2001 2 KB From: 'koulos' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 4:55 pm Subject: OT:Tangerine Dream in greek press hiz from greece don't know if this intirests anyone of you but i did come across an interesting article [something like an biography] regarding TD. the article is about the music style of berlin in the years from mid 60's to nowdays and it's title is [in my own translation] BERLIN: CYBER (the exact word is the same as the fisrt half of CYBER-PUNK in a free translation from greek language) it has more to do with the music style inspired by french Ector Berlioz [free translation of the name from greek] who used music loops over and over, with little if not none diference between them in his whole tracks so the writter tells that TD did something like this and then the writer goes on with 3 pages of TD biography and it ends up with another half page regarding berlin music scene in present days [the hole article is about 4 and a half pages] anyway sorry for this OT if anyone is interested in more i could do some translation or a scanning if you want me to [tell me to do so offlist] yours kostas from sunshining athens spending some spirng time in near summer weather np Swayzak Snowboarding in Argentina [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 7:54 pm Subject: Re: Future of TD?? --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > I always wanted to hear TD perform with an orchestra . > The line up of Froese , Franke ,.Schmoelling , Morricone and the LSO might > be good . > Hi Paul I have a very poor video recording of that line up performing mojave plan with an orchestra on a german tv prog,they also performed Kiew Mission on there own. Cheers Gary Ps,cannot wait for Max's album > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:19 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Future of TD?? > > > > Jack Kramer wrote: > > > > >> I'd like to see TD work with somebody > > >> interesting like Steve Reich... > > >> after all they've kind of collaborated > > >> in the past given that Risky Business > > >> track 'Love on a Real Train' sounds > > >> virtually identical to Reich's earlier > > >> Music for 18 Musicians.... > > > > > > Deborah Johnson writes: > > > > > I am a big fan of Steve Reich's, and > > > while we're all fantasizing, would like > > > to see him to a TD-related effort. > > > > > I'll have to give the 'Love on a Real > > > Train' a listening. Reich's 'Music for > > > 18 Musicians' is an awesome piece. > > > One of my favorites! > > > > Alas, I don't think Reich's sentiment towards the group is as > > positive: > > > > 'The whole soundtrack to the film 'Risky Business,' supposedly by a > > group called Tangerine Dream, was an out-and-out rip-off of 'Music > > for 18 Musicians.' I should have sued.' --Steve Reich; June 1, 1986. > > > > 'Come out, come out, come out to shodem, come out, come out to > > shodem...' > > > > -Don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 8:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Well when you do listen to Love on a Real train you'll see that it's very, very close to 18 musicians particularly as the piece begins to develop....although having said that the Reich piece does sound like it's an orchestral version of an EM track. TD have said in an interview that they were influenced by Reich for this particular track...although it's quite interesting that a lot of sequenced EM has a minimalist feel to it anyway. I like Phillip Glass also although I'm not that keen on some of his later works particularly the Bowie collaborations which pretty much sound the same as all of his other post Koyannisquatssi music. Glass has worked with Aphex Twin though, although I haven't heard or seen it for sale anywhere so can't comment on it but it might be interesting...I liked Glass's use of synths on some of Beauty and the Beast though...so maybe it would be an interesting combination teaming him with TD JACK >From: 'Deborah Johnson' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:55:13 -0500 > >Jack: > ><< I'd like to see TD work with somebody interesting like Steve Reich... >after >all they've kind of collaborated in the past given that Risky Business >track >'Love on a Real Train' sounds virtually identical to Reich's earlier Music >for 18 Musicians.... >> > >I am a big fan of Steve Reich's, and while we're all fantasizing, would >like >to see him to a TD-related effort. Phillip Glass's renditions of David >Bowie/Brian Eno work ('Heroes' and 'Low') are very, very nice. The Michael >Nyman Band, with its early music 'Venetian' band sound, would also be >interesting to see in a combo with TD, even though they're not primarily an >EM group. > >I'll have to give the 'Love on a Real Train' a listening. Reich's 'Music >for 18 Musicians' is an awesome piece. One of my favorites! > >Deb H-J >drbjohn@e... > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? i've heard counterpoint...it's very good...usually found on the Different Trains album if anyone is interested...(trains again) jack >From: Synthhtnys@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 03:37:53 EST > > > > I'll have to give the 'Love on a Real Train' a listening. Reich's >'Music > > for 18 Musicians' is an awesome piece. One of my favorites! > > Deb H-J > > drbjohn@e... > >*Yeah, big fan of Reich here too... I've found that the Schmoelling years >had >the >most overt Reich influences... My fav. of Reich is 'Octet' and also has >anyone >heard 'Electric Counterpoint' which was performed by Pat Metheny? If anyone >here >likes Ashra's 'Inventions for electric guitar' you'll probably like it. >Peace, >Poly > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 8:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Future of TD?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Jenkins To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 7:54 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Future of TD?? > > Hi Paul I have a very poor video recording of that line up > performing mojave plan with an orchestra on a german tv prog,they > also performed Kiew Mission on there own. > Cheers Gary > Ps,cannot wait for Max's album Where did you get that from ? Your gonna have to wait for Max`s album I`m afraid .Got a fair bit of paying work to get through first . Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26571 Re: Future of TD?? Gary Jenkins Thu 3/22/2001 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 10:28 pm Subject: reich/td/orb From: 'Deborah Johnson' >I'll have to give the 'Love on a Real Train' a listening. Reich's 'Music for 18 Musicians' is an awesome piece. One of my favorites!< Throw on little fluffy clouds by the orb, too--if you've got it. --t _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26577 Re: reich/td/orb Deborah Johnson Fri 3/23/2001 3 KB 26586 Re: reich/td/orb kevine@c... Fri 3/23/2001 3 KB 26591 Re: reich/td/orb Synthhtnys@a... Fri 3/23/2001 2 KB 26592 Re: reich/td/orb quarlie@a... Sat 3/24/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 10:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Future of TD?? Much to Reich's annoyance. He once talked about suing TD over that soundtrack. Problem is, you can't copyright a style. Still, TD are certainly not among Reich's favourite people. *That's odd.... He let the Orb get away with out and out sampling of 'Electric Counterpoint' on Little Fluffy Clouds.....TD certainly wrote an obvious tribute, but it was their own music..... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Hello everyb. Big fan too of REICH.GLASS.MONTE YOUNG.Myfavourite Reich is 'four organs-phase pattern' & the dble. REICH REMIXED ( very good). Line-up for an hypothetical New T.D.......: 1: P.BAUMANN 2: E.FROESE 3: C. FRANCKE 4: S.SCHROYDER 5:M.ROTHER & K.DINGER;....................only for the Deutsch Line-up 2nd Proposition : 1+2+3+.....R.PINHAS(heldon)B.SZAJNER(zed)............only for french line-up 3rd Propôsition: 1+2+3+.......B.ENO....H.BAINBRIDGE(hawkwind/alman mulo band)...........for english line-up BUT ? For many albums ? I suspect (&understand) some of them refusing to be associate at T.D.(name or style) _________________A BONJOUR from FRANCE to all _______ERICK/Dr.STRANGE______________ From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:29 am Subject: copycats well... the bass line of 'Dolphin Dance' is also a Steve Reich track (don't remember the title). The very name 'Dolphin Dance' is a Herbie Hancock tune on the 60's album 'Maiden Voyage'. And 'Live Miles' is an album of Miles Davis. 'Tangram' is a chinese puzzle. Erm, ok, that one is awright. armin > > 'The whole soundtrack to the film 'Risky Business,' supposedly by a > group called Tangerine Dream, was an out-and-out rip-off of 'Music > for 18 Musicians.' I should have sued.' --Steve Reich; June 1, 1986. > From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:34 am Subject: Re: Froese&Froese top five. I still owe you my Froese&Froese top five. These would be in alphabetical order (ignoring articles): Hollywood Years Vol. I Oasis Seven Letters of Tibet Tournado Tyranny of Beauty Hope ToB qualifies as it should be Froese&Froese&Spa. Whatever happened to her? armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26572 Re: Froese&Froese top five. glynn_naughton@h... Thu 3/22/2001 3 KB 26582 Re: Froese&Froese top five. Armin Theissen Fri 3/23/2001 3 KB 26581 Re: Froese&Froese top five. Matthew Stringer Fri 3/23/2001 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 7:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness hey all... > As for Jerome's 'goth' hair...it's is so old that it's almost cool again. i never thought about it like this before, but one's gotta smile when thinking about Jerome doing 'Hot, Hot, Hot!!!' and 'The Forest', going on tour with the rest of the gang while ole Rob takes a break... look here: http://www.ahimsa.net/thecure/ wouldn't jerome just fit right in?` ;) j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 7:29 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... just for the record, merriam-webster points this out about amateurs and professionals: professional: a) participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs b) having a particular profession as a permanent career c) engaged in by persons receiving financial return amateur: one lacking in experience and competence in an art or science that being said, although music can be created mathematically, scientifically, or to an exact set of regulations/rules, and a such, judged against these rules for erudite masterbatory elucidation, music has never been listened to for these reasons... and with mastering and production accounting for an enormous amount of how a piece sounds, esp. electronically, ofttimes a 'professional' piece simply sounds that way because someone had the clout and cash to have it produced by a master engineer... in these days of bedroom studios, the master recording engineer is becoming a scarce resource, but one that should not be overlooked... all music has to be judged on it's own merits, against itself, for each and every listener... either you like it or you don't... but one's opinion, regardless of background, does not make a piece of music 'good' or 'bad'... these are subjective terms and putting them forth as facts only points out one's fixed viewpoint... just because someone can earn a living at their music doesn't make their music any 'better' than someone who's only managed to get 100 of their CDs out there... not in this day and age of mega-marketing... to quote Bloom County's Opus: 'If two million people do a stupid thing, it's still a stupid thing.' j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 5:34 pm Subject: reich/hoenig solo.... One never knows--perhaps some of the hoenig material will get released in the future. Besides there is that additional connection with franke via agitation free. Reich: I've seen electric counterpoint years ago unf, reich didn't use pat metheny live (I've seen P.M., too)--it was a different guitarist performing to a backing track. they did part of drumming and a metallophone piece, too (name escapes me...). I recently saw (last year I think) Music for 18 Musicians live at the SF Symphony--simply amazing. Audience gave wild applause. Part of his Hindenburg multi-media piece (a work in progress) was also performed including the film that his film-maker wife has assembled. Alas, too political as he seems to be these days. And there was merely polite applause after that piece. --Thomas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 4:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness 'j.gordon' wrote: > > As for Jerome's 'goth' hair...it's is so old that it's almost cool again. > > i never thought about it like this before, but one's gotta smile when thinking > about Jerome doing 'Hot, Hot, Hot!!!' and 'The Forest', going on tour with the > rest of the gang while ole Rob takes a break... This resemblance is not coincidental. Back in the days of the old TDIFC, it was reported on at least a couple of occasions that Jerome was a big Cure fan. He was also a big Van Halen fan though, and thankfully he never adopted that band's preference for spandex. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 6:36 pm Subject: Re: Future of TD?? --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Jenkins > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 7:54 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Future of TD?? > > > > > Hi Paul I have a very poor video recording of that line up > > performing mojave plan with an orchestra on a german tv prog,they > > also performed Kiew Mission on there own. > > Cheers Gary > > Ps,cannot wait for Max's album > > Where did you get that from ? Your gonna have to wait for Max`s album I`m > afraid .Got a fair bit of paying work to get through first . > > Hi Paul got the video from some EM catologue sent through the post probably got my address from being a member of TDIFC back in the late eighties. The Video also as polish tv footage of the Poland concert and snippets of other em artists performing Klaus Schulze,Robert Schroder,Richard Wahnfried,Klaus Kruger,Popol Vuh,Baffo Banfi and Din A Testbild. Cheers Gary From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:43 pm Subject: Re: Froese&Froese top five. --- In tadream@y..., 'Armin Theissen' wrote: > > Hope ToB qualifies as it should be Froese&Froese&Spa. Whatever > happened to her? > > armin She started getting perilously close to 30 and started to lose her fresh-faced gorgeous looks, as the inner photo on _Goblins Club_ shows. Hence: no more use as eye-candy. Talk about tyranny of beauty. Actually, I don't really believe that, although the thought did flit through my mind when she first 'left'. Still, it makes a good conspiracy theory... Anyway, I'm moving to Paris tomorrow so likely to drop out of circulation for a while. Should re-emerge in a month or so...if not, see you all at Shepherd's Bush. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26582 Re: Froese&Froese top five. Armin Theissen Fri 3/23/2001 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 9:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Can you imagine Jerome in spandex leotards ? :-D LMAO ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Sean Montgomery' To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness > > > 'j.gordon' wrote: > > > > As for Jerome's 'goth' hair...it's is so old that it's almost cool again. > > > > i never thought about it like this before, but one's gotta smile when thinking > > about Jerome doing 'Hot, Hot, Hot!!!' and 'The Forest', going on tour with the > > rest of the gang while ole Rob takes a break... > > This resemblance is not coincidental. Back in the days of the old TDIFC, it was > reported on at least a couple of occasions that Jerome was a big Cure fan. He was > also a big Van Halen fan though, and thankfully he never adopted that band's > preference for spandex. > > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Nigbur D Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 10:27 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? How do you lot know which tracks are written by whom? Edgar and Jerome normally share composing credits for each piece on every album, so it would be difficult to tell. That is, unless you want to subscribe to one of those rather simplistic and inaccurate algorithms of Jerome=techno and Edgar=Mozart and funny noodling. I have no doubt that Edgar's style has changed over the last thirty-odd years, and Jerome's hasn't remained static since 1990 either. What is happening in TD - and what has always happened - is the process of mutual feedbacking and integration of musical ideas (even though some people disagree with that...I admit that Edgar has probably had more compliant collaborators since 1987 than before, but that doesn't mean that the new collaborators don't contribute at all). I, for one, would be very interested in seeing an authorised analysis of where the contributions come from, and I'm almost certain that some surprises will be in store for those who think they know the workings of TD inside out. Dennis > ---------- > From: lawlermusic[SMTP:lawlermusic@s...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 16 March 2001 18:43 > To: tadream > Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg > To: > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 11:15 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > > > > Edgar has been very good at picking the right guys for the job (Jerome > is > > probably the only member that people would argue with > > and yet when people talk about the only tracks they like on the new TD > albums , they mostly mention the tracks that Jerome wrote . > Eds sections and style have remained the same since time began so there`s > no > problems knowing which bits to fast forward . Jerome (techno style aside , > although i dont mind it) is in my opinion the only driving force behind TD > . > He can actually write melodies and structured chord sequences etc .Only > problem is , is that he doesn`t do it too often , and Ed just noodles like > a > mad old woman . > I`m guessing that star trooper will be nothing more than the kind of > classical covers found on Ambient Monkeys. In other words , playing the > piano score on bad orchestral keyboard sounds . > I hope he proves me wrong . > > > Paul > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Nigbur D Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 10:45 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness And thank God for people like TD who aren't even trying to be stylish or fashionable! Seriously, I see a lot of wisdom in waiting until the popular enthusiasm for a style of music has ebbed off, before sitting back and trying to integrate the most interesting aspects into an attempt at 'timeless' music. It might not be cool or hip or commercially viable, but it is refreshingly eclectic and musically wise. Dennis > ---------- > From: Sean Montgomery[SMTP:sean@t...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 17 March 2001 22:27 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness > > > > glynn_naughton@h... wrote: > > > It still amazes me that in 1987 they could countenance making an album > of > > William Blake poetry done in the same style as those dreadful songs that > > Shirley Bassey used to sing on 'Sunday Night at the Royal > Palladium'-style > > shows back in the tacky 'ole 70s ('Tyger') or spoken in the manner of an > > over-serious teenager trying to put some drama into a poetry recital > > ('London'). > > > > Then again, I've a sneaking admiration for the early 90s incarnation > > of TD (a grumpy old bloke and his fat son together with some friends > > with ripped leather jackets and Marhsall amplifiers all pretending to > > be Guns 'n' Roses). > > Ha ha ha ha! Those two paragraphs are just priceless. > > It's true though...for a band which still claims to be 'visionary' and > 'leading edge', it's amazing how often TD has struck five years too late. > Cyclone was their 'prog rock' album at a time when they should have been > new > wave. Tyger and Melrose were their New Age albums when they should have > been > techno. 220 Volt was their Hair Band album when it should have been > alternative. Now they're going dance club when the most adventurous bands > are doing Can-influenced post rock. The lack of fashionability comes > across > in the band's appearance too. I mean Edgar...lose the mullet and aviator > shades. As for Jerome's 'goth' hair...it's is so old that it's almost > cool > again. I imagine it's about time for a neon-colour-legwarmers 80s > revival. > > But you know what? I don't care whether TD is 'fashionable' or breaking > new > ground, as long as the music's good. The problem for me is that over the > past ten years, their music has often failed to meet that one criterion. > If > I hadn't become a fan of TD back in the 80s, there's no way that I'd be > buying their stuff now. > > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Nigbur D Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 10:37 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? I'm not too familiar with the EM music scene in general, but I get the impression that few of the people who have joined TD in the past were EM musicians to begin with. Klaus Schulze and Chris Franke were drummers, Paul Haslinger came straight out of the classical school, Johannes Schmoelling was a theatre technician, et cetera. It probably wouldn't do TD much good if they had someone joining who had already made his/her name in EM. It would be much more interesting and productive to find a musician who is eager to integrate his ideas into the electronic field. Dennis > ---------- > From: Deborah Johnson[SMTP:drbjohn@e...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 17 March 2001 02:37 > To: tadream > Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > > Dennis: > > > Are Emil and Zlatko still with TD, and if so, can they be considered > full > > members of TD? Neither of them appear to contribute compositionally, so > if > > Edgar leaves the addition of another member would be inevitable. I can't > > imagine Jerome wanting to do all the composing himself...the appeal of > TD, > > after all, has always been the integration of the many different > composers' > > ideas. > > If you could have your pick of anyone out there doing EM music today, who > would you pick to join Jerome when/if Edgar retires? > > Just curious... > > Deb H-J > drbjohn@e... > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 3:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] reich/td/orb Tei Waz: << Throw on little fluffy clouds by the orb, too--if you've got it. >> I have ONE Orb album ('Orbus Terrarum'), and haven't gotten the urge yet to rush out and buy more. Guess my age is showing ;o} On the other hand, I haven't traded it in (yet) at the used CD stores so I can afford my TD habit! On the other hand, the one album that my son and husband won't let me play while they're in the house is Reich's 'Three Movements for Orchestra.' Guess I've sort of overdone that one a time or two. My husband likes most TD, but draws the line at their earlier works, like 'Atem', which is one of my favorites. Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 2:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Jack: << I like Phillip Glass also although I'm not that keen on some of his later works particularly the Bowie collaborations which pretty much sound the same as all of his other post Koyannisquatssi music. >> Have you heard the Phillip Glass/Uakti collaboration on 'Aguas de Amazonia'? It's about as different sounding from his orchestra work as you can get, and its absolutely beautiful. Whatever else you can say about Glass, he keeps pulling suprises like the Cocteau inspired 'Beauty and the Beast' and his recent rerecording of the Bela Lugosi's 'Dracula' from the 30's. Very interesting stuff, at least to my ears. I think that when all is said and done, Glass is going to turn out to be a keeper. The more I read about and listen to TD, the more I think the group (in its many incarnations) can be talked of in the same way that you talk about a 'classical' composer who goes through different creative periods, some better and some worse. Maybe in the 21st century we can finally do away with the distinction between popular and unpopular culture as some sort of dividing line of artistic merit. Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 9:33 am Subject: TD wish Well now that the UStour has been postponed, I sure wish TD could be added to next month's festival near Palm Springs (Indio). http://208.242.114.231/coachella/ They'd definitely have a wide audience for that show. Acts are still being booked and live DM3 could really be tested there. Squarepusher and Plaid have just been added. There's gonna be so many US techno fans there.... OK, how 'bout just DJRome? :) --T (KEEPing the dream alive) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26612 Re: TD wish Feldon Feldon Mon 3/26/2001 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 9:25 am Subject: as I suspected re:US tour 2001 from the tdi music mall: >The U.S.A. tour had to be postponed until late October 2001, we will update >the information on this site as soon as dates are definite, so keep coming back here regularly. unf, as I suspected--but there's still hope for october... --Thomas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 10:22 am Subject: Re: Froese&Froese top five. 1. Turn Of the Tides 2. 220Volts 3. Oasis 4. Tyranny Of Beauty 5. Sorry can't think if a 5th! From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 8:34 am Subject: Re: Froese&Froese top five. > > > > Hope ToB qualifies as it should be Froese&Froese&Spa. Whatever > > happened to her? > > > > armin > > She started getting perilously close to 30 and started to lose her > fresh-faced gorgeous looks, as the inner photo on _Goblins Club_ > shows. Hence: no more use as eye-candy. Talk about tyranny of beauty. too bad.... I have a strong preference for women who passed 30... ;-) > Anyway, I'm moving to Paris tomorrow so likely to drop out of lucky you! I happen to be there quite often, and would love to move there at some stage, too... the FNAC in Les Halles is a really good CD shop! Once you figured out how they're sorted. Scanned their Krautrock section and they had just everything! Only shop I've ever seen Froese's 'Ages'. And all that 'Cosmic Courier' stuff. Everything of Ashra. > circulation for a while. Should re-emerge in a month or so...if not, > see you all at Shepherd's Bush. > > Glynn From: Victor Rek Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 3:02 am Subject: Open Air Concert in Warsaw Check out the TD webpage. A new concert has been added for Warsaw, Poland. It is open air - sound very interesting. It's scheduled for September 1st, 2001. Also September 1st, 1939 happens to be the beginning of World War II when the Germans invaded Poland. I wonder if this is just a coincidence? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26584 Re: Open Air Concert in Warsaw Roger Hartopp Fri 3/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 7:30 pm Subject: Re: Open Air Concert in Warsaw --- In tadream@y..., Victor Rek wrote: > Check out the TD webpage. A new concert has been added for Warsaw, > Poland. It is open air - sound very interesting. It's scheduled for > September 1st, 2001. Also September 1st, 1939 happens to be the > beginning of World War II when the Germans invaded Poland. I wonder if > this is just a coincidence? Regardless as to whether it's a coincidence or not, I hope to be there, although my plans for the Summer are still uncertain as I may be working in Britain during this time. As it's an open-air event, Vic, you might well have some idea as to where in the city it's going to be held. The Kayah concert in Krakow last year was open-air (on the blonie), and thus was free. I wonder if this will be the case too (free, that is)? This is one concert I should be able to get my wife to go to... Roger From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 6:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? Dream Mixes I, II Flashflood & Waterbourne (Oasis ST) Title Theme and End Theme (Zoning 1996 redo) and a few other snips are either directly credited to Jerome, or are so clearly done by him, nobody can deny it. These are also my favorite TD tracks over the last few years. >From: Nigbur D >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:27:22 -0000 > >How do you lot know which tracks are written by whom? Edgar and Jerome >normally share composing credits for each piece on every album, so it would >be difficult to tell. That is, unless you want to subscribe to one of those >rather simplistic and inaccurate algorithms of Jerome=techno and >Edgar=Mozart and funny noodling. I guess Edgar's style has changed to some degree. But he still thinks it can be done solo without an opposing influence. I have recently fallen in love with most of Edgar's solo works. I think that even though Edgar would tell you it's solo work, the three-person sound comes through on all of it. It might say Solo on the label, but it's a trio's mindset. I don't agree that vintage TD was 'Edgar's sound' alone. More damning is to hear 2-3 EF solo tracks played live at the 1981 Tangerine Dream tours. Sobornost I already knew about, but there's another track (Which escapes my memory at the time) or two as well. It's really a crossover situation. I for one do not think that TD is Edgar alone. But yet that's the 'cold fusion' (to steal a term) TD has been trying to run on for the last years. 'We can do it alone, we don't need bothersome/troublesome opposing influences'. Now, Edgar has no group to answer to, he and TD are synonymous. Sorry for the rant. When we gripe about something, it could be because we care, instead of just walking away from it. You sell a car you don't like, you keep working on one that maybe *used* to bring you joy until you can't anymore... -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: kevine@c... Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 6:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] reich/td/orb Before this thread scrolls off, I thought I would recommend the following: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/30/terry_riley.html where you can download a copy of Terry Rileys 'A Rainbow in Curved Air'. This 18minute long piece is a good introduction to Minimalism. Terry Riley, Steve Reich and Philip Glass are the 'big 3' when it comes to this style of music. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support From: Tom Richmond Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 5:37 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree Hey! Bet you didn't expect to hear from me this soon again. Got a message from Joe S. and he's shipping today, so branches should see their discs early next week. Hopefully that works for everyone. Also, there are a great many tree participants I haven't heard from yet. I'd like to verify the entire tree to be sure there are no other leaves dying on the vine, so to speak. Someone who has a copy please feel free to discuss the music! I'm sure the contributors would like to hear your opinions. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26589 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree Frank Arellano Fri 3/23/2001 4 KB 26590 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree joes@f... Fri 3/23/2001 3 KB From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 12:18 am Subject: One more TD concert... Anyone has already seen this on the updated official TDI Homepage... (with a special event for Vic, heh... ;-) ) -- 'TD concert dates 2001 (update)!!' May 12th 2001 - London/U.K. - Shepherds Bush Empire September 1st 2001 - Warsaw/Poland - 'Most beautiful rock for peace' (Big Open Air event in the heart of Warsaw) October 7th 2001 - Bernau bei Berlin/Germany - 'Alte Musik Festival' - Experimental Music Day - Premiere of 'Inferno' (in a church) - There will be two shows on that same evening!!! The U.S.A. tour had to be postponed until late October 2001, we will update the information on this site as soon as dates are definite, so keep coming back here regularly. Greetings Peter From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 8:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales tree Awww.... so our fearless leader [Joe S.] was the culprit who took the tongue lashing :-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Tom Richmond' To: ; Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales tree > Hey! > > Bet you didn't expect to hear from me this soon again. > > Got a message from Joe S. and he's shipping today, so branches should see > their discs early next week. > Hopefully that works for everyone. > > Also, there are a great many tree participants I haven't heard from yet. > I'd like to verify the entire tree to be sure there are no other leaves > dying on the vine, so to speak. > > Someone who has a copy please feel free to discuss the music! I'm sure the > contributors would like to hear your opinions. > > Cheers! > > Tom > > ___________________________ > IMPORTANT NOTICE: > This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26590 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree joes@f... Fri 3/23/2001 3 KB From: joes@f... Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 8:41 pm Subject: Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree eesh... yes, sorry. not to make excuses, but I added a bunch of files to disk 3 , which was only about 80 megs of artwork(I was having trouble obtaining them due to FTP problems but they're burnt now). I hope you will consider the extra files worth the wait. Joe --- In tadream@y..., 'Frank Arellano' wrote: > Awww.... so our fearless leader [Joe S.] was the culprit who took the > tongue lashing :-D > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Tom Richmond' > To: ; > From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] reich/td/orb > I have ONE Orb album ('Orbus Terrarum'), and haven't gotten the urge yet to > rush out and buy more. Guess my age is showing ;o} *actually IMO that one is pretty weak. I'd recommend 'UFOrb.' Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 3:22 am Subject: Re: reich/td/orb In a message dated 3/23/01 11:49:31 AM, drbjohn@e... writes: >I have ONE Orb album ('Orbus Terrarum'), and haven't gotten the urge yet >to rush out and buy more. It may be worth noting that the Orb's sound changes somewhat from album to album. Maybe a bit like TD in that sense. --Daniel NP: the Orb--Cydonia (purely coincidentally) From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? >From: 'Deborah Johnson' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:49:03 -0500 > > >Have you heard the Phillip Glass/Uakti collaboration on 'Aguas de >Amazonia'? >It's about as different sounding from his orchestra work as you can get, >and >its absolutely beautiful. I've not heard of this piece before, when was it composed? Whatever else you can say about Glass, he keeps >pulling suprises like the Cocteau inspired 'Beauty and the Beast' and his >recent rerecording of the Bela Lugosi's 'Dracula' from the 30's. Very >interesting stuff, at least to my ears. I agree that they're good but they don't inspire me as much as some of his earlier work....I think that The Civil Wars music is some of his best recent work though. I think that when all is said and >done, Glass is going to turn out to be a keeper. > >The more I read about and listen to TD, the more I think the group (in its >many incarnations) can be talked of in the same way that you talk about a >'classical' composer who goes through different creative periods, some >better and some worse. The main difference here though IMO is that TD's good and bad periods tend to depend on the line-up and not the creative ups and downs of the individual. Maybe in the 21st century we can finally do away >with the distinction between popular and unpopular culture as some sort of >dividing line of artistic merit. It's a nice thought but i don't think that it's very likely to happen. High art is accessible on many levels despite what people claim, it's just that it often requires a little work on behalf of the spectator in order to engage with it and most people can't be bothered. I was wondering though, do you consider TD to be a part of Popular Culture or what you term as Unpopular culture? I'm not really sure of the answer to this one. jack _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 2:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? >From: Nigbur D >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:37:20 -0000 > >I'm not too familiar with the EM music scene in general, but I get the >impression that few of the people who have joined TD in the past were EM >musicians to begin with. Klaus Schulze and Chris Franke were drummers, Paul >Haslinger came straight out of the classical school, Johannes Schmoelling >was a theatre technician, et cetera. > I always though that Schmoelling was a classical pianist? Am I confusing that imformation with Haslinger? I suppose that when Schulze and Franke joined TD there wasn't much of an EM scene anyway, although I agree with what you're saying it would be an interesting idea to bring in an EM outsider to TD.....something needs to be done if they are ever going to produce a decent album again....unfortunately.. jack _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'tei waz' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 3:21 pm Subject: OT: OT and flashbacks Apologies for that last email, I was the one having a flashback apparently. >I have ONE Orb album ('Orbus Terrarum'), and haven't gotten the urge yet >to rush out and buy more. I'd agree, that disc is weak. If that was the first one I bought, I'd prolly share that sentiment. Try adventures beyond the ultraworld. Either the UK or the US versions which are different from each other, but similar. --T np Orb Once More Mark Pritchard Mix _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26596 Re: OT: OT and flashbacks E Neal Frost Sat 3/24/2001 3 KB 26598 Re: OT: OT and flashbacks Frank Arellano Sat 3/24/2001 4 KB 26599 Re: OT: OT and flashbacks É. Rocho Sat 3/24/2001 2 KB 26602 Re: OT: OT and flashbacks Mark Coyle Sat 3/24/2001 2 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 3:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: OT and flashbacks Hello All, Since we are venturing a little beyond TD for some electronic music discussions. I have heard a little about a band called 'Delirium' (If I am spelling it right). Anyone on the list heard of this band? Any reviews or suggestions which CDs I might start with? Thanks for the help. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:21 AM Subject: [tadream] OT: OT and flashbacks > Apologies for that last email, I was the one having a flashback apparently. > > >I have ONE Orb album ('Orbus Terrarum'), and haven't gotten the urge yet > >to rush out and buy more. > > I'd agree, that disc is weak. If that was the first one I bought, I'd prolly > share that sentiment. Try adventures beyond the ultraworld. > Either the UK or the US versions which are different from each other, but > similar. > > > > --T > > np Orb Once More Mark Pritchard Mix > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 3:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Jack: The Phillip Glass/Uakti collaboration on 'Aguas de Amazonia' is a 1999 piece. The Uakti group is primarily a percussion ensemble that uses Amazonian instruments together with standard woodwinds and keyboards to get a sound that is downright romantic and sensual, which are not exactly the usual words you use to describe Phillip Glass. > The main difference here though IMO is that TD's good and bad periods tend > to depend on the line-up and not the creative ups and downs of the > individual. TD is a group/band, but the nature of a lot of arguments here make it seem like Edgar Froese and whoever was working with him at the time. My thought is whether TD as a group/band could be seen in the same light as an individual composer (like Riech or Glass). Uakti is a persussion group performing a piece composed by Phillip Glass, but Glass is still the composer. Whatever else you can say about Edgar Froese, he isn't the 'composer' of TD. Maybe the orchestrator or adaptor, but not the composer. TD is an entity unto itself, at least in the minds of fans. > It's a nice thought but i don't think that it's very likely to happen. High > art is accessible on many levels despite what people claim, it's just that > it often requires a little work on behalf of the spectator in order to > engage with it and most people can't be bothered. I was wondering though, > do you consider TD to be a part of Popular Culture or what you term as > Unpopular culture? I'm not really sure of the answer to this one. As much as I like Reich and Glass, I don't know of a group on the internet where folks who have been afficionados of the guys for decades know all the minutiae of their careers, collect all their music in various forms, argue the pros and cons of different ways the music is presented, and anticipate their concerts as major life events. Before I stumbled on this e-group, I sampled various others over the years, and none have quite the level of interest and intensity for a composer/group I like. Does this make TD 'popular' and Reich and Glass 'unpopular'? In my misspent youth I got a bachelor's and master's degree in Popular Culture studies with an emphasis on media like comic books, films, and television. I also have an extensive background in music, art, and historical architecture and drive my friends nuts when I visit metropolitan museums. I've always felt Popular Culture to be the culture of contemporary technology driven societies, sort of the esthetics of contemporary anthropology/sociology. It's the old idea that the medium is the message, and in the case of TD, I think you have a merging of esthetics and technology that is inseparable. One reason I find them fascinating. Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 6:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: OT and flashbacks Neal, I've got their 'Semantic Spaces', which I definitely would recommend. BTW, I believe it's spelled Delerium. I'll see if I can dig up some more specific info on them and forward it to you. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'E Neal Frost' To: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: OT and flashbacks > Hello All, > > Since we are venturing a little beyond TD for some electronic music > discussions. I have heard a little about a band called 'Delirium' (If I am > spelling it right). Anyone on the list heard of this band? Any reviews or > suggestions which CDs I might start with? > > Thanks for the help. > > Neal > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'tei waz' > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:21 AM > Subject: [tadream] OT: OT and flashbacks > > > > Apologies for that last email, I was the one having a flashback > apparently. > > > > >I have ONE Orb album ('Orbus Terrarum'), and haven't gotten the urge yet > > >to rush out and buy more. > > > > I'd agree, that disc is weak. If that was the first one I bought, I'd > prolly > > share that sentiment. Try adventures beyond the ultraworld. > > Either the UK or the US versions which are different from each other, but > > similar. > > > > > > > > --T > > > > np Orb Once More Mark Pritchard Mix > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: É. Rochon Date: Wed Mar 24, 1999 7:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: OT and flashbacks Hi Folks Karma from Delerium is great too !! A bit on the pop side but it has loads of emotions ! Éric From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 8:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > >The Phillip Glass/Uakti collaboration on 'Aguas de Amazonia' is a 1999 >piece. The Uakti group is primarily a percussion ensemble that uses >Amazonian instruments together with standard woodwinds and keyboards to get >a sound that is downright romantic and sensual, which are not exactly the >usual words you use to describe Phillip Glass. Hi Deborah Thanks for this imformation I'll try and track this piece down. Wouldn't you describe any of the post 1974 music of Phillip Glass as being Romantic? > > > The main difference here though IMO is that TD's good and bad periods >tend > > to depend on the line-up and not the creative ups and downs of the > > individual. > >TD is a group/band, but the nature of a lot of arguments here make it seem >like Edgar Froese and whoever was working with him at the time. My thought >is whether TD as a group/band could be seen in the same light as an >individual composer (like Riech or Glass). Uakti is a persussion group >performing a piece composed by Phillip Glass, but Glass is still the >composer. Whatever else you can say about Edgar Froese, he isn't the >'composer' of TD. Maybe the orchestrator or adaptor, but not the composer. >TD is an entity unto itself, at least in the minds of fans. Chris Franke was the musical driving force behind TD....after he left Froese luckily had the talented Paul Haslinger to bail him out...and after Haslinger jumped ship...well, you've heard the results. I'm not really sure what Edgars role is in TD, I've always guessed he was the business side because he seems to be musically challenged to say the least. It's an interesting thought you have though as to whether a group of like-minded composers can be judged in the same light as an individual. I suppose it depends as to whether or not you subscribe to notions of genius and authorship. > > > It's a nice thought but i don't think that it's very likely to happen. >High > > art is accessible on many levels despite what people claim, it's just >that > > it often requires a little work on behalf of the spectator in order to > > engage with it and most people can't be bothered. I was wondering >though, > > do you consider TD to be a part of Popular Culture or what you term as > > Unpopular culture? I'm not really sure of the answer to this one. > >As much as I like Reich and Glass, I don't know of a group on the internet >where folks who have been afficionados of the guys for decades know all the >minutiae of their careers, collect all their music in various forms, argue >the pros and cons of different ways the music is presented, and anticipate >their concerts as major life events. Before I stumbled on this e-group, I >sampled various others over the years, and none have quite the level of >interest and intensity for a composer/group I like. Does this make TD >'popular' and Reich and Glass 'unpopular'? I think that Glass and Reich (Glass in particular) can draw crowds to the their concerts in a way that TD can only dream of these days. The way I understood your use of the phrases 'popular' and 'unpopular' was as substitutes for 'low' and 'high' culture. Which made me wonder where TD fitted in. > >In my misspent youth I got a bachelor's and master's degree in Popular >Culture studies with an emphasis on media like comic books, films, and >television. I also have an extensive background in music, art, and >historical architecture and drive my friends nuts when I visit metropolitan >museums. I've always felt Popular Culture to be the culture of >contemporary >technology driven societies, sort of the esthetics of contemporary >anthropology/sociology. It's the old idea that the medium is the message, >and in the case of TD, I think you have a merging of esthetics and >technology that is inseparable. One reason I find them fascinating. So are you saying you feel that TD are representitive of popular culture?...if so how do you feel about Stockhausen - another figure that merges aesthetics and technology yet understandably is viewed as part of the high cultural establishment? IMO, TD seem to exist on a plateux that wobbles unsteadily between high and low culture...I think that in the end they have borrowed from the eximous hights of contemporary music and merged it with the popular aesthetics of rock music where their true origins lie. JACK _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 8:48 pm Subject: Half off topic: TD rarities for used computer parts Hi all, I'm supposed to upgrade a few 'old' (2-4 years) computers in my family and would need a few used (but ok) parts from relieable sources (that's you ;-) I offer to swap against material from my swap and sales list. So, if you want to get rid of some old iron, contact me ! Wanted: DVD-ROM drive, internal, SCSI, 2x Speed min. 2 hard disks, IDE, 2 GB min, 4-8 GB preferred LS-120 'Superdisk' floppy drive + 5-10 media best regards, klaus From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 9:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: OT and flashbacks Hi > Karma from Delerium is great too !! A bit on the pop side but it has loads > of emotions ! Is this the same Delerium as was the spin-off non-industrial project from Skinny Puppy, designed for electronic dance pop music? cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 10:51 pm Subject: Re: Delerium E Neal Frost wrote: > I have heard a little about a band called 'Delirium' (If I am spelling it > right). Anyone on the list heard of this band? Any reviews or suggestions > which CDs I might start with? I think Karma is their best album. They began (and this will answer Mark Coyle's question) as an offshoot of another Canadian industrial band called Frontline Assembly, doing scary instrumental soundscapes with sampled ethnic voices. In fact, some regard these early albums, like 'Faces, Forms and Illusions', as their definitive work. At any rate, starting with Semantic Spaces, they began to incorporate conventional female vocals, Enigma-like monk samples, and comtemporary dance beats. It was a successful formula, that they've repeated ever since. It's similar in mindset to what Paul Haslinger did for his first two solo albums. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26604 Re: Delerium Phil White Sat 3/24/2001 2 KB 26605 Re: Delerium Mark Coyle Sat 3/24/2001 3 KB 26607 Re: Delerium quarlie@a... Sun 3/25/2001 2 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 11:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Delerium Hi All, As a follow up to the Delerium thread anyone who is getting into the works of Leeb and Fuller and likes Delerium but finds Frontline Assembly too intimidating should try another of these prolific guys incarnations: Synaesthesia. They have 3 ( well at least I have three ) CD releases 'Desideratum', 'Embody' and 'Ephemeral'. Desideratum is a double album of IMO essential listening for any fan of 'quality' synth music with a distinct nod toward TD among others... check it out for yourselves it'll be worth the trip...... It's on the Hypnotic label a division of Cleopatra Records in Los Angeles. ATB Phil NP. Desideratum ! From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 11:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Delerium Hi > I think Karma is their best album. They began (and this will answer Mark > Coyle's question) as an offshoot of another Canadian industrial band called > Frontline Assembly, doing scary instrumental soundscapes with sampled ethnic > voices. In fact, some regard these early albums, like 'Faces, Forms and > Illusions', as their definitive work. I had some of their early albums, very nice. Now then FLA are/were an awesome band (my interest dates from 1989/90, Caustic Grip - what an astounding album) but there were a number of other spin-offs that I remember buying up to about 1993 by them. Often these were more accessible than the main work and of quite an interest to EM fans. Particularly Intermix which is quite KW influenced and linear. Anyone know where I can get Clock DVAs - Buried Dreams. Now that was scary music. Their 'The Hacker' was a classic. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 11:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Froese&Froese top five. So who recorded the saxophone overlays on the Werner Saleenbinder track on i-Box? This was released (and must have been recorded) in 2000. -Morgan >From: glynn_naughton@h... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Re: Froese&Froese top five. >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:43:29 -0000 > >--- In tadream@y..., 'Armin Theissen' wrote: > > > > Hope ToB qualifies as it should be Froese&Froese&Spa. Whatever > > happened to her? > > > > armin > >She started getting perilously close to 30 and started to lose her >fresh-faced gorgeous looks, as the inner photo on _Goblins Club_ >shows. Hence: no more use as eye-candy. Talk about tyranny of beauty. > >Actually, I don't really believe that, although the thought did flit >through my mind when she first 'left'. Still, it makes a good >conspiracy theory... > >Anyway, I'm moving to Paris tomorrow so likely to drop out of >circulation for a while. Should re-emerge in a month or so...if not, >see you all at Shepherd's Bush. > >Glynn > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26630 Re: Froese&Froese top five. glynn_naughton@h... Fri 3/30/2001 2 KB 26631 Re: Froese&Froese top five. goozer@a... Fri 3/30/2001 2 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 3:25 am Subject: Re: Delerium In a message dated 3/24/01 5:45:32 PM, sean@t... writes: >I think Karma is their best album. My personal favorite is their most recent release, 'Poem.' It's even more pop-oriented than the previous two albums but it has some really gorgeous songs. And then, in a message dated 3/24/01 7:03:16 PM, markcoyleuk@y... writes: >Now then FLA are/were an awesome band >(my interest dates from 1989/90, Caustic Grip - what an astounding album) I haven't heard much of the earlier FLA material (just 'Tactical Neural Implant,' actually), but I think their 1999 album 'Implode' is just awesome. --Daniel From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 2:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Jack: << I think that in the end they have borrowed from the eximous hights of contemporary music and merged it with the popular aesthetics of rock music where their true origins lie. >> I think this says it best. It's the reason I was so excited to discover them and look forward to hearing more of their CD's (past and present). Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 6:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness I have to disagree. TD was innovative and fresh, up until about 1987. They've been 4-5 years behind ever since, and they HAVE been trying to follow the trend no matter how much they deny it. Frankly, I think it would be great to hear Jerome do some dance music that's new and refreshing. Certainly not under the name TD, and certainly not in the style of the DM3 sample up at dream-mixes.de so far. And I have to agree with Sean here. I became enamored with TD because of seeing the movie Miracle Mile. And I stumbled across Turn of the Tides and then Rockoon. But I don't think I became a rabid TD fan until I heard Logos and Phaedra. -Morgan >From: Nigbur D >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:45:51 -0000 > >And thank God for people like TD who aren't even trying to be stylish or >fashionable! > >Seriously, I see a lot of wisdom in waiting until the popular enthusiasm >for >a style of music has ebbed off, before sitting back and trying to integrate >the most interesting aspects into an attempt at 'timeless' music. It might >not be cool or hip or commercially viable, but it is refreshingly eclectic >and musically wise. > >Dennis > > > If > > I hadn't become a fan of TD back in the 80s, there's no way that I'd be > > buying their stuff now. > > > > > > -- > > SEAN MONTGOMERY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26610 SV: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Pergamon Sun 3/25/2001 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 5:39 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness > I became enamored with TD because of > seeing the movie Miracle Mile. > -Morgan What a great movie. Maaaann!!! this poor guy, talk about stress. Throughout the entire movie this poor chap is running around figuring out 'what the hell happened???' getting hold of his loved ones, and the clock is just ticking away. And one of the best part is the ending. Not one of those 'happy-LALA-hollywood-endings'. If anyone haven't seen this movie ..........can't believe that on this list =) SEE IT!!!! Regards Jan From: 'tei waz' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 3:08 pm Subject: sucky digest mode >[tadream] Digest Number 838 flashbacks of Digest Number 837. It worked better as egroups. Hmm, methinks yahoogroups is getting sucky.... Hail, corporate takeovers! --twz np Dreamwatchers Tales _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 6:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD wish Indeed, since TD are going All Dance All The Time they should go to a DJ show. Although, hate to say it, Jerome hasn't proven to me yet that he can run with the big dogs like Paul Oakenfold. -Morgan >From: 'tei waz' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com, tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com >CC: teiwazbarana@h... >Subject: [tadream] TD wish >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:33:32 -0800 > >Well now that the UStour has been postponed, I sure wish TD could be added >to next month's festival near Palm Springs (Indio). > >http://208.242.114.231/coachella/ > >They'd definitely have a wide audience for that show. Acts are still being >booked and live DM3 could really be tested there. > >Squarepusher and Plaid have just been added. There's gonna >be so many US techno fans there.... OK, how 'bout just DJRome? :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Future of TD: Robert Carty? On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:44:16 -0000 'Jack Kramer' writes: >[. . .] I agree with what you're saying it would be an >interesting idea to bring in an EM outsider to TD..... >something needs to be done if they are ever going to >produce a decent album again.... unfortunately.. Hmmm, how about an accomplished, multi-talented, self-produced, unsigned ambient genious: Robert Carty? This is a guy as good as Michael Rother and as versatile as Mike Oldfield. I think someone should send some of his CDs to Jerome and Pops. He is the best 'undiscovered' talent out there. Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty: 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers: 1493 Greenwood Avenue; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. MAJOR E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Moroder -- *not* Kraftwerk! +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | TD DISCOGRAPHY http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/tadream2.html | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Ronald Clercx' Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 3:35 pm Subject: New Member / Some questions for the veterans Hey everybody I'm a new member, living in Gent, Belgium. Probably as most, I'm especially found of the recordings TD made in the late seventies, begin eighties, and fairly disappointed in their later work. Apart from TD, I have a very mixed CD collection, especially focusing on electronic music. Some other artists I enjoy are: Kraftwerk (people interested in rare recordings of Kraftwerk may always contact me as I have a huge orginal collection of them), Steve Roach, Robert Rich, Michael Stearns, Lightwave, Radio Massacre International, Airsculpture, Wave World, Underworld, Aphex Twin, Autechre, ... Some questions for the music conaisseurs out there: 1) Which of the TD clones out there, do you consider the best and which albums of these groups do you prefer (best I heard untill now was 'Frozen North' by Radio Massacre International, but please enlighten me ;-) 2) Which of the literature on TD do you consider the best. Please state the name of the author, the title and the publisher, and most importantly where can I get it? Last time I was on the TD page, I read a statement of Edgar Froese that there were plans for an authorized biography with an English author? Does this already exist? 3) Is there anybody going to the Alpha Centauri Festival in Holland on sat. 28th of April? Line up: Rick Wakeman, Lightwave, ... 4) Any subscribers to the Dutch magazine 'KLEM-blad' in here? Thanks, greetings to Heiko Heerssen Ronald Ronald.Clercx@y... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26616 Re: New Member / Some questions for the veterans Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chal Mon 3/26/2001 2 KB 26619 Re: New Member / Some questions for the veterans Mark Coyle Mon 3/26/2001 3 KB From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 3:53 pm Subject: Two questions and a comment Hejsan! * Does anyone know if there still are tickets available for the TD show in Britain? (Wasn't planning to go but after reading a digest from a week or two ago, a message about this possibly being the last chance to see them live, I might have to reconsider. Too late...?) * The concert in Berlin, later this year, is that the classic trilogy project or is it also a regular concert like the one mentioned above? And a comment: >Thomas Bertilsson Wrote: >I always thought that Edgar's solo work was like 'sound research' for the TD group efforts. Funny to read that, as it is exactly what I have always thought. Ages might be an even better example of this than EIMP. Bye Olle From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Member / Some questions for the veterans Ronald Clercx said: > 1) Which of the TD clones out there, do you consider the best... Synaesthesia -- and I recommend any album by them, they have three: _Embody_, _Desideratum_, and _Ephemeral_. Still not as good as Virgin years TD, but better than 90's TD. Never heard of the other that you mentioned, so thanks for the recommendation and welcome aboard. -- Face down in the lap of luxury, and nowhere to GO but DOWN... :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 1:52 am Subject: Fw: Dream Watchers ----- Original Message ----- From: winnie the pooh Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 3:51 PM To: TangerineDream Subject: Dream Watchers Hey there all, wanted to post a quick note to Tom Richmond (didn't have your e-mail addy handy) and the others about the Dream Watchers Tales. I'd posted awhile ago, got information regarding the tape/cDR tree, etc, and had informed I could burn Cd copies, and was given links, etc, but then when I'd e-mailed, I got a reply back saying they were 'waiting' for their tapes/Cds and then after that, I'd get copies, etc. I never got e-mail address information, I never got any mailing address information, and I also never got any information further from the person/people that were supposed to be involved with providing me with the tape information on how I'd get my copies, and then when I'd get them, OR if I got them (which I NEVER DID) how I'd go about it. I was mailed three times by various people asking me for copies (since I was supposed to be providing), AND I had to tell them that repeatedly I hadn't gotten any response. I've done tape trees several times on other mailing lists, and am sincerely and severely disappointed. NO offense to the people involved in getting this going, BUT the leaf/branch thing with the others supposed to provide extra copies to fans so they could proivide them elsewhere was done very poorly. The people involved in GETTING it going were great, Tom has been GREAT, but if these people have now since gotten their tapes/Cds and are supposed to be providing to others like myself so I CAN provide for others in MY area, they're doing a shitty job. Anyone involved in this, if you could e-mail me, and let me know why I'd volunteered to burn copies, made myself available, and then the person/people who were supposed to send me copies to burn from never followed through? They basically ripped off the tree by getting THEIR copies and stopping at that point. Trees/leaf/branches are supposed to pass it down, but whoever was involved in this end never did. Does anyone at this point have a CDR copy they could make me I could BUY? I just at this point outright want a copy for my personal private collection, and won't even GET INVOLVED in the tree if I can just get a copy to purchase, and/or do a 2-1 swap or SOMETHING to get? Anyone, please e-mail me off the list. Sorry to rant, but I'm severely disappointed. Iwas looking forward to HELPING OUT other TD fans, and they got the shaft as well. Hopefully they were able to get copies from someone else. I couldn't. dan Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com Crackasmile, TeslaGroup, TheTradingCircle, ChristianRockMusic, Found HERE! http://www.yahoogroups.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), MSN Messenger Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26618 Re: Fw: Dream Watchers Feldon Feldon Mon 3/26/2001 4 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 4:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fw: Dream Watchers >From: 'winnie the pooh' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: 'TaDreamList' >Subject: [tadream] Fw: Dream Watchers >Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:52:03 -0500 > > >Hey there all, wanted to post a quick note to Tom Richmond (didn't have >your e-mail addy handy) and the others about the Dream Watchers Tales. I'd >posted awhile ago, got information regarding the tape/cDR tree, etc, and >had informed I could burn Cd copies, and was given links, etc, but then >when I'd e-mailed, I got a reply back saying they were 'waiting' for their >tapes/Cds and then after that, I'd get copies, etc. > >I never got e-mail address information, I never got any mailing address >information, and I also never got any information further from the >person/people that were supposed to be involved with providing me with the >tape information on how I'd get my copies, and then when I'd get them, OR >if I got them (which I NEVER DID) how I'd go about it. Dan, sorry to hear about your problems with getting things from the tree. Hope you don't mind if I tack on my DT issue here, not really related to yours. I know I botched up a tree 2 years ago and so when the branch above me was not able to burn 80 min CDs for Dreamwatchers (Rogelio), I was asked if I could do it. I told him my troubles last time but decided to step up and do it right this time. As soon as I got my CDs from Tom, I burned 4 sets of DT and immediately sent out 1 set to Rogelio (originally my branch), and sent my trade to Tom Richmond. I have e-mailed, on 3 separate occasions my 2 new leaves and have gotten no response. Here was the original tree-- North America (and others): Tom Richmond - WI - trichmond@b... Rogelio Cavazos - TX - tranceroy@y... Morgan Marks - TX - feldon23@h... Jon Richards - TX - space_cadet73@h... Carlos Alberto M Salas - Mexico - cmartine@e... -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Member / Some questions for the veterans Hi > 1) Which of the TD clones out there, do you consider the best and which > albums of these groups do you prefer (best I heard untill now was 'Frozen > North' by Radio Massacre International, but please enlighten me ;-) it's probably not fair to do this one too much on a TD list, on the ElectronicMusic and Beyond_EM lists we discuss this. I never think of the bands as clones as for me they are inspired by TD in the way that heavy rock bands were inspired by Led Zep. Anyway, Arcane are ace, Air Sculpture, Rainbow Serpent, RMI (of course), Keller & Schondwalder. Email me off list (mark.coyle@b...) or at the other lists for some dialogue on this. Welcome aboard the analogue flying ship that is the TADream list. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 10:08 pm Subject: I became enamored with TD because of >I became enamored with TD because of seeing the movie Miracle Mile.< it was precisely because of the soundtrack for that film that I knew TD were getting back on track.... --twz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26621 Re: I became enamored with TD because of Sean Harvey Mon 3/26/2001 2 KB 26622 Re: I became enamored with TD because of Jack Kramer Tue 3/27/2001 3 KB From: Sean Harvey Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 11:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I became enamored with TD because of A friend of mine in university that gave me a copy of Exit to listen to. That woman whispering Russian into my ears was like a bomb going off. Like she was trying to share some big secret with me, and if I listened enough times I'd get it. And the music. That smooth, flowing music hooked me. I couldn't get enough of it. It was complex, subtle and utterly enchanting. Every time I listened, I heard something new. It was like seeing a true magician perform when all you ever thought magic was was card tricks and mad old uncles pretending to fish quarters from behind your ears. From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Tue Mar 27, 2001 12:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I became enamored with TD because of i saw Miracle Mile recently on cable and was disappointed....I used to think it was a good film but it hasn't aged well...the TD sountrack is still good though....if a little like risky business....Edgar obviously soloed on the main theme i think but Haslinger rescued much of the rest of the score... jack >From: 'tei waz' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com, teiwazbarana@h... >Subject: [tadream] I became enamored with TD because of >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:08:05 -0800 > > >I became enamored with TD because of >seeing the movie Miracle Mile.< > >it was precisely because of the soundtrack for that film that I knew TD >were >getting back on track.... > >--twz >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Mar 27, 2001 5:42 pm Subject: [tadream] All you ever wanted to know about The Keep Hi all, I have just completely rehashed the page for 'The Keep' on my site, the major change is that it has been split into two pages, one for official releases and the other for bootlegs and CD-Rs. I haven't done this for any of the other albums, but I thought I'd make an exception in this case as this soundtrack generates so much interest. There is now a lot more information, giving as much detail as I have at my disposal about all those tracks that 'got away' from the official release! Thanks to Duncan McKee and Steve Feldman for most of the details. Don't hesitate to contact me if you know any more relevant info, if you find mistakes or just to make comments. http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/thekeep.html Cheers Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26624 Re: All you ever wanted to know about The Keep Feldon Feldon Tue 3/27/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Mar 27, 2001 6:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] All you ever wanted to know about The Keep >From: 'Paul Fellows' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:42:48 +0200 > I see a mistake on your page: Recorded in (year): 1983 (released in 1997) Musicians: Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Johannes Schmoelling Record Label: TDI Music Catalogue Number: TDI010CD Actually, recorded in 1983, re-recorded in 1997 with many original tracks deleted and new EF Solo tracks added, poorly reflecting the actual Keep soundtrack. Released and then retracted in 1997. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Vincent Goudreault Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001 12:27 pm Subject: True story Here is an amusing true story. Last Thursday, one of my co-worker was scheduled to fly out to our office in Kansas. However, due to the horrible conditions (historically 3rd worst snowstorm on record for the Montreal area) his flight was cancelled and he came back to the office after hours, and left a few things behind, including a small plastic bottle that he had filled with orange juice in the morning, but failed to drink during the day. That bottle stayed on the corner of his desk, in a plastic bag, the whole week-end. Then, on Monday morning, having fogotten about it, he just put his gear in front of it (a heavy bag weighting about 5 lb, containing yet another bottle of orange juice, among other things) and went to work, oblivious to the fact the darn thing was brewing... At 11:35 that morning, a very loud BANG could be heard, as that bottle gave to the pressure, spewing foul smelling brewed juice all over the place, knocking his bag to the ground, and alerting the 100 or so people in the office that something major may have happened. I felt the sticky fluid on my head, on my shirt, it covered several of my papers, soaked my Far Side calendar, and got one of my co-worker jacket dirty, while the guy responsible for bringing the bottle in was essentially protected from the liquid by his bag. The connection with TD, you may ask? Well, at that time, I was listening to 'What a blast' ('Beauty of the blast' to be track specific). Strange thing is that I only now realise that, as I am listening to it again! C.B.V. Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Thu Mar 29, 2001 1:26 pm Subject: OT and flashbacks Neal Frost wrote: >Since we are venturing a little beyond TD for some electronic music >discussions. I have heard a little about a band called 'Delirium' (If I am >spelling it right). Anyone on the list heard of this band? Any reviews or >suggestions which CDs I might start with? I'm entering late due to my backlog of digests. You already received a fair share of replies to this one. To me they are the kind of Techno/Trance outfit that sound not entirely different from the Orb. That means, not bad but not too enjoyable either. The only disc I have left in my collection is Euphoric and I'd be happy to trade it for something else if you're interested. My favourite when it comes to Trance is still; Brain Unlimited. Rhytmic, yet very dark, spacey and mellow music. Listen to Atlantic Ocean and you'll get the picture. However I don't have a clue as to whether they are still active. /Olle From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Mar 29, 2001 1:32 pm Subject: European tour? Shouldn't there be a European tour prior to the Shepherds Bush gig in May? There were plans for concerts in France, Portugal, Netherlands etc.... Heiko From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Thu Mar 29, 2001 7:39 pm Subject: mars polaris mispress hi everyone just a quick question. how many of you out there have a copy of 'Mars Polaris' Mispressed CD with 11 tracks? i know of 5 that exisit and would love to know if there are any more out there. vic Rek has two (one for trade) al benson has one Heiko Neumann has one and i have one Duncan McKee mckee17@m... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26629 Re: mars polaris mispress James E. Jacoby Thu 3/29/2001 2 KB 26633 mars polaris mispress Duncan Mckee Sat 3/31/2001 3 KB From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Thu Mar 29, 2001 10:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] mars polaris mispress --- Duncan Mckee wrote: > hi everyone > just a quick question. > how many of you out there have a copy of 'Mars Polaris' Mispressed > CD with 11 tracks? > I have one also. James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Fri Mar 30, 2001 10:23 am Subject: Re: Froese&Froese top five. Bonjour from Paris, --- In tadream@y..., 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > So who recorded the saxophone overlays on the Werner Saleenbinder track on > i-Box? This was released (and must have been recorded) in 2000. > > -Morgan Hmm.. I know you've stated before that this extra part was done by LS. What's wrong with this picture? Nothing, if you assume that she is the only sax player in the world :-) I mean, it isn't inconceivable that they got someone else to do it, is it? Presumably session sax players are ten a penny. BTW, Any other TDers in this neck of the woods fancy going out for a beer or something? Be warned that my French is still atrocious, but improving...just like my knowledge of Parisian bars and restaurants ;-) Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26631 Re: Froese&Froese top five. goozer@a... Fri 3/30/2001 2 KB From: goozer@a... Date: Fri Mar 30, 2001 2:26 pm Subject: Re: Froese&Froese top five. --- In tadream@y..., glynn_naughton@h... wrote: > Bonjour from Paris, > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > > So who recorded the saxophone overlays on the Werner Saleenbinder > track on > > i-Box? This was released (and must have been recorded) in 2000. > > > > -Morgan > > Hmm.. I know you've stated before that this extra part was done by > LS. What's wrong with this picture? Nothing, if you assume that she > is the only sax player in the world :-) I mean, it isn't > inconceivable that they got someone else to do it, is it? Presumably > session sax players are ten a penny. >[...] > Glynn Just because it was released in 2000 does not mean it was performed/recorded in 2000. It is much more likely that this track was performed and mixed while she was still a member of the band and simply not mastered and released until now. This is not at all uncommon, as a quick, cursory glance at TD oevure will confirm. Also, the sax may have been performed by Mr. Waldner, not Miss Spa. goozer From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 30, 2001 8:44 pm Subject: Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten --- In tadream@y..., gmroger@p... wrote: A quick reminder that... Votes for the Eddy & Jerry top ten will close on April 6, and the results posted here on the 7th. That same evening I will broadcast the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten on the programme but I hold little chance that the show will be successfully broadcast on the internet, so I'll publish a transcript of the programme later. Thanks to those who have voted so far, including you, Dennis - thanks for the off-line votes, and also the few others who have done so since the last list was published. 44 of you have now cast your Top five votes for the Top Ten Eddy & Jerry albums. Let's get it to fifty. I will check again the count next Thursday as the top five is still fairly close. And then I can retire from Top Ten compilations and become a normal list member again. But I can still suggest a few if anyone wants to do another (Frank?). I'll play. Roger From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 10:14 am Subject: mars polaris mispress hi dreamers i have been listening to the mars polaris mispress and have identified the following tracks:- 6:14 1 Zhu Zhanji Great Wall of China, The 6:12 2 Rim of Schiaparelli Mars Polaris 4:00 3 Unknown 4:12 4 No more candles burning Great Wall of China, The 5:44 5 Lights of Beijing Great Wall of China, The 4:28 6 Tharsis Maneuver Mars Polaris 4:32 7 Stranded without shade Great Wall of China, The 6:12 8 Spiral star date (Level P) Mars Polaris 5:44 9 Mars mission counter Mars Polaris 4:39 10 Deep Space Cruiser Mars Polaris 7:23 11 Silence the barking monk Great Wall of China, The does anyone have any idea where track 3 comes from as i cannot find it on the GWOC or mars polaris? Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 12:16 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] mars polaris mispress Are you sure it's not 'Dies Martis (TransMercury) From: Scribe1964@a... Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 7:12 pm Subject: OT - Question for Schulze fans Hi, this is a question for you Klaus Schulze fans. I recently heard the song FREEZE, and I love it. Can you tell me what album this is from. Also, what would be a good CD to try out Schulze? Many thanks. --Ric Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26636 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans jcleve8530@a... Sat 3/31/2001 2 KB 26637 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans Victor Rek Sat 3/31/2001 2 KB 26638 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans Victor Rek Sat 3/31/2001 2 KB 26639 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans Michal Moroz Sat 3/31/2001 2 KB 26640 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans Synthhtnys@a... Sat 3/31/2001 2 KB 26642 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans Robert Grabowsky Sat 3/31/2001 2 KB 26647 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans bert.hulshoff@d... Mon 4/2/2001 3 KB 26649 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans Scribe1964@a... Mon 4/2/2001 1 KB From: jcleve8530@a... Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 7:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans Freeze is from the Angst soundtrack. It is a really good CD. Try In Blue -- it is my personal favorite. Have been a Schulze fan for years. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Victor Rek Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 8:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans It is the first track off the 'ANGST' CD. jcleve8530@a... wrote: > Freeze is from the Angst soundtrack. It is a really good CD. Try In Blue -- > it is my personal favorite. Have been a Schulze fan for years. Jay From: Victor Rek Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 8:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans Ooops, I guess we already know that ;-) Victor Rek wrote: > It is the first track off the 'ANGST' CD. > > jcleve8530@a... wrote: > > > Freeze is from the Angst soundtrack. It is a really good CD. Try In Blue -- > > it is my personal favorite. Have been a Schulze fan for years. Jay > From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 8:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans >Hi, this is a question for you Klaus Schulze fans. I recently heard the song >FREEZE, and I love it. Can you tell me what album this is from. Also, what >would be a good CD to try out Schulze? Many thanks. > Try the double albums 'X' or the 'Thank you (Dziekuje) Poland' concerts En=Trance is good too first track on Dig It (death of an analogue) is also worth a try Michal Td-Station (also Schulze fan) From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 8:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans Hi, this is a question for you Klaus Schulze fans. I recently heard the song FREEZE, and I love it. Can you tell me what album this is from. Also, what would be a good CD to try out Schulze? Many thanks. c *Isn't Freeze a variation of a piece off of Audentity? As for recommends I think the '70's work is a good place to start... '80's and beyond are perhaps more of an aquired taste.... I'd recommend Mirage (My fav.) Timewind, Body Love, Picture Music, X, and Moondawn...... these are IMO the cream of the crop. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26642 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans Robert Grabowsky Sat 3/31/2001 2 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 9:19 pm Subject: Question/favor Hello guys, I have 2 questions/favors to ask: 1) I am about to trade with someone my copy of the Fassbinder Memorial Concert CDR. But my copy does not have a cover. Is the cover art posted somewhere? Or would someone be willing to scan their artwork and e-mail it to me? 2) Same thing with my copies of Michael Oldfield's Tubular Bells 1, 2 & 3. Would someone be willing to scan their covers and e-mail them to me? Or, if it were possible to post them on a website for a short period of time, I could download them and let you know so you can delete them again. I thank the 'Kind Souls' in advance for the help. Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26643 Re: Question/favor jcleve8530@a... Sat 3/31/2001 2 KB 26644 Re: Question/favor E Neal Frost Sun 4/1/2001 3 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 8:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans >Hi, this is a question for you Klaus Schulze fans. I recently heard the song >FREEZE, and I love it. Can you tell me what album this is from. Also, what >would be a good CD to try out Schulze? Many thanks. Freeze was also used in the Manhunter Soundtrack. It is the first movie to feature the character of Hannibal Lechter. THE HIGHLANDER From: jcleve8530@a... Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 9:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Question/favor I have a cover for the Klassic Sober Fassbinder CDR. Also the back cover. Is that the one you would want? Would be happy to e-mail it to you. JAY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sun Apr 1, 2001 4:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Question/favor Jay, I am not really sure which one I need. I am beginning to think mine is just a copy of the 10' clear vinyl record. Is there a more complete Fassbinder CDR than 30 minutes? But send yours anyway. And thank you very much for the help. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Question/favor > I have a cover for the Klassic Sober Fassbinder CDR. Also the back cover. Is > that the one you would want? Would be happy to e-mail it to you. JAY > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Sun Apr 1, 2001 10:21 am Subject: Dies Martis Remix hi dreamers i have uploaded the remixed version of Dies Martis (from the mars polaris mispress) to my website follow the link below Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Victor Rek Date: Mon Apr 2, 2001 4:33 am Subject: Okefenokee 2001 is Just Around the Corner! Hey! It's that time of year again when we are going into the final weeks of preparation for the 2nd Okefenokee Gathering (Oke 2001)! As an annual deal, I am offering the SwampPak 11 as a little fund raiser for the event. Earlier I offered a SwampPak 21, but that seemed too big and didn't generate much interest, so I'm going back to the original concept, except that this time it has been listed on eBay at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1421203973 AND SEE http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee/ for last year's Oke-2000 report for some details what happened last year. Now, if someone from this list wins the SwampPak 11, that person will also get some memorabila (TBD) from the event once we return (by mentioning this list). For all those that plan on attending, please start getting in touch with me if you have any questions about preparing for the event. I also need to know the dates you are going to be there and if you will be 'camping' out at my house prior and/or after the event. So stay tuned to the event details right here! :-) And also expect to read comments on the great times and original EM that we will experience featuring: Free System Project Air Sculpture Dave Brewer Bill Fox Getting excited! Vic From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Mon Apr 2, 2001 6:57 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans try: Timewind, Moondown, In Blue, En=trance, 'X' and 'are you sequenced' Greetings Bert aka Phrozenlight http://phrozenlight.da.ru http://artists.traxinspace.com/phrozenlight Egroups dedicated to Buzz Tracker Buzz-Buzz@egroups.com http://www.egroups.com/group/Buzz-Buzz and buzz-jam@egroups.com here you can jam with other Buzzers http://www.egroups.com/group/buzz-jam And of course Buzz-Talk at ListBot buzz_talk@l... > ---------- > From: Scribe1964@a...[SMTP:Scribe1964@a...] > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 21:12 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans > > Hi, this is a question for you Klaus Schulze fans. I recently heard the > song > FREEZE, and I love it. Can you tell me what album this is from. Also, > what > would be a good CD to try out Schulze? Many thanks. > > --Ric > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Apr 2, 2001 8:45 am Subject: Edgar Froese's Epsilon in Malaysian pale CD at eBAY Hi Gang, for those who are still missing one of the greatest electronic music albums ever recorded, I have put an original copy of Edgar Froese's 1975 oeuvre 'Epsilon in Malaysian pale' on eBAY. This is the UK CD release (CDV 2040) which is long out of print. It's a 3-day auction which has a reserve price. The URL is: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1421233866 Heiko From: Scribe1964@a... Date: Mon Apr 2, 2001 11:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans Thanks for the suggestions, all! --Ric From: Tom Richmond Date: Mon Apr 2, 2001 1:46 pm Subject: old td tape tree question Hello: To anyone who has that TD tape trees from a year or two ago, I have a question: What is the song at the end of side A of tree 5, tape 2 (4-4-77 Washington D.C.) It's obviously not TD, but it's quite interesting, with spoken word vocals and backround vocals that sound a lot like Brian Eno. The title could be 'If this is love', based on the lyrics. Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Apr 2, 2001 4:31 pm Subject: RE: Babylon 5 comments in the solo discussions thread... I have a correction to something Roger said: Roger wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:50:01 +0100 > From: gmroger@p... > >Volume 3 was titled 'In the Beginning', which ws a completely new >soundtrack recorded by Chris for the feature length pilot episode, >originally recorded by Stuart Copeland. Volume 4 is called >'Thirdspace', the title for one of the TV movies made after the series >was completed. > >The B5 episodic cd's at most re 30 minutes long and in that sense >I wouldn't really class them as 'albums', rather as EPs. 'In the Beginning' was a movie done by TNT during the 5th season to introduce late-comers to the series. You are right about the soundtrack being new, but you are confusing it with 'The Gathering' which is the pilot episode. There are 2 versions of the pilot: the original (with the Stuart Copeland soundtrack) the 'special edition' which aired on TNT also during the 5th season, with the Copeland soundtrack replaced with the standard Franke. (I have both versions of the opening music/narrative for this in MP3 if anyone is interested in hearing a comparison.) Also, 'Thirdspace' aired during the fifth season, but was set chronologically during the 4th season. It was not made after the series was complete, or was at least not aired after the series was complete. James From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon Apr 2, 2001 10:28 pm Subject: Interesting Oddity? Hi I have just obtained an mp3 copy of the TD/Shirrelles mix used as the opener by The Sisters of Mercy on their most recent tour. I dont know if it is the sort of thing to upload to the files area (Listowner please advise)? But if anyone with a website wants to make it more available, please mail me offlist. It is about 2Mb zipped. Fellow Motorhead fans on this list might like to know that there is also a stonking cover of 'Capricorn' from the same gig. Likewise, mail me if you want its address. It is a much bigger file though! Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Ronald Clercx' Date: Tue Apr 3, 2001 8:44 am Subject: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane Hey everybody Thanks to another subscriber of this group I got my hands on a copy of Fractal Realties In A Shattered Plane (recorded in Melbourne Hall 01-03-82 The only thing we are missing is a tracklist. Can anybody help out here? Friendly regards Ronald Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26656 Re: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane Feldon Feldon Tue 4/3/2001 3 KB 26658 Re: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane Gustavo Jobim Wed 4/4/2001 2 KB 26659 Re: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane Owens, James Wed 4/4/2001 4 KB 26664 Re: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane Feldon Feldon Thu 4/5/2001 5 KB 26680 Re: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane E Neal Frost Sat 4/7/2001 4 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Apr 3, 2001 1:14 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] People going to Shepherds Bush Hi all, I thought that as the concert is only just over a month away now, it was time to post the most recent list of people going (38 in total) and to encourage those last few lurkers to come out of the woodwork and join in the party!! Let me know... By the way, Glynn Naughton no longer lives in London (he's moved to Paris) so any volunteers to ring the pub to warn them? Also, is anyone intending to bring some goodies along to exchange? This would be a golden opportunity...please contact me off-list. Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) Craig Cordrey (UK) David Foster (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Glynn Naughton (France) Heiko Heerssen (Germany) Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) Jakub (Polish, lives in UK) James Williams + 1 friend (UK) Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) Klaus Beschorner? (Germany) Lawry Simm (USA) Marion & husband (Dave) (UK) Matthew Stringer (UK) Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Ray (UK) Richard (UK?) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Steve Jenkins (UK) Cheers Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26657 Re: Re : [tadream] People going to Shepherds Bush glynn_naughton@h... Tue 4/3/2001 3 KB 26668 Re: Re : [tadream] People going to Shepherds Bush Nigbur D Thu 4/5/2001 4 KB From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Tue Apr 3, 2001 3:22 pm Subject: DAVE BREWER/OKEE DREAMS 2000 Sorry for the off post guys, Dave Brewer, please contact me at work if you answer this post before 5pm EST. Otherwise, contact me at home. I am going to try to get the $$$ into the mail to you for the Okee Dreams 2000 disc. Is it the original version, or the remastered version? Thanks Neal---> NealFrost@D... From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Apr 3, 2001 3:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane 26:51 Mojave Plan extended version (White Eagle) 04:20 Calymba City part 2 (Antique Dreams) 08:20 Thermal Inversion (unreleased-Sea of Dreams compilation) 01:20 Remote Viewing (Exit) 03:45 Force Majeure excerpt 02:45 '81-82 Ending theme' (Logos) >From: 'Ronald Clercx' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:44:00 +0200 > >Hey everybody > >Thanks to another subscriber of this group I got my hands on a copy of >Fractal Realties In A Shattered Plane (recorded in Melbourne Hall 01-03-82 > >The only thing we are missing is a tracklist. Can anybody help out here? > >Friendly regards > >Ronald > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Apr 3, 2001 4:25 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] People going to Shepherds Bush --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > Hi all, > > I thought that as the concert is only just over a month away now, it was > time to post the most recent list of people going (38 in total) and to > encourage those last few lurkers to come out of the woodwork and join in the > party!! Let me know... > > By the way, Glynn Naughton no longer lives in London (he's moved to Paris) > so any volunteers to ring the pub to warn them? I did get a chance to do a quick recce. the day before I left. As well as the former Moon on the Green (now one of those Harvey's places) there's also an 'Australasian' pub (read: ordinary pub with 'Australasian pub' written over the door) called the Walkabout that is right next to the venue. The girl behind the bar told me of a couple of places in Acton (10 mins by bus) which are open late and we could go on to after the show, for those interested. Suggest those who are meet in the Walkabout after the show and work out what to do from there. There's also a Thai restaurant just around the corner which is open throughout the afternoon, which might be a good place to spend some time (if there's one thing that could make me believe in God it's Thai green curry). Will post nearer the time with some details about directions, tickets to buy on the Underground, etc, etc. Glynn From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Apr 4, 2001 5:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane [ 1.0] 26:52 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 1 Mojave Plan (from White Eagle) [ 2.0] 20:27 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 2 a. unreleased (similar to Quichotte Part 2, from Pergamon) b. Thermal Inversion c. excerpt from Remote Viewing (from Exit) d. excerpt from Force Majeure (from Force Majeure) [ 3.0] 10:20 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 3 Föhn (Choronzon, from Exit) [ 4.0] 4:25 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 4 Mure (Midnight in Tula, from White Eagle) > From: 'Ronald Clercx' > Subject: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane > > Hey everybody > Thanks to another subscriber of this group I got my hands on a copy of > Fractal Realties In A Shattered Plane (recorded in Melbourne Hall 01-03-82 > The only thing we are missing is a tracklist. Can anybody help out here? > Friendly regards > Ronald From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Apr 4, 2001 8:29 pm Subject: Re: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane That brings up a question. I have listed a different version than you. I don't personally have this, since it seems to be largely the same as Raetikon. But the version I have listed (I've forgotten who I got the list from) claims to have 4 tracks. Based on the times of what you've just given me, I'd say that everything you've listed is the first 2 tracks in my list (main set 2 of the concert), but my list includes 2 more tracks (presumably the encores, since they roughly match the encore times on Raetikon. Here's what I have: FRACTAL REALITIES IN A SHATTERED PLANE Recorded March 1, 1982 Dalas Brooks Hall, Melbourne, Australia [ 1.0] 26:52 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 1 (Ext. version of Mojave Plan from White Eagle) [ 2.0] 20:27 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 2 [ 2.1] 4:20 Calymba City part 2 (Antique Dreams) [ 2.2] 8:20 Thermal Inversion (see Sea of Dreams disc 4, track 7) [ 2.3] 1:20 Remote Viewing (Exit) [ 2.4] 3:45 Force Majeure (excerpt) [ 2.5] 2:45 Logos (end part) [ 3.0] 10:20 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 3 (Ext. version of Choronzon from Exit) [ 4.0] 4:25 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 4 (Midnight in Tula from White Eagle) total time = 64:04 Quality: mastered from original mixing desk tapes This appears to be the entire second set plus two encores. James ----original message----- Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 10:58:05 -0500 From: 'Feldon Feldon' 26:51 Mojave Plan extended version (White Eagle) 04:20 Calymba City part 2 (Antique Dreams) 08:20 Thermal Inversion (unreleased-Sea of Dreams compilation) 01:20 Remote Viewing (Exit) 03:45 Force Majeure excerpt 02:45 '81-82 Ending theme' (Logos) >From: 'Ronald Clercx' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:44:00 +0200 > >Hey everybody > >Thanks to another subscriber of this group I got my hands on a copy of >Fractal Realties In A Shattered Plane (recorded in Melbourne Hall 01-03-82 > >The only thing we are missing is a tracklist. Can anybody help out here? > >Friendly regards > >Ronald From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 1:37 am Subject: West Wing Very, Very sorry for this off topic post, guys. One of my favorite TV show this season is The West Wing. It appears to be a very important show this season. At least, from what I can see of it. My local signal keeps fading in and out. Anybody in the western time zones, that just might read this post in time, Please tape tonight's episode and ship it to me. We can discuss a trade from my TD list if that will help you decide. Please contact me off list if you tape it in time. I thank the 'Kind Souls' that end up helping. Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26662 Re: West Wing Feldon Feldon Thu 4/5/2001 3 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 1:46 am Subject: Siren Hello All, Somebody on this has a website...and on that website is a Tangerine Dream List.....and on that TD list there is a listing for a CDR called Siren. I remember seeing that listing and wanting it so much, I put it on my 'Want List'. But now, months later, I don't remember what the CD was all about, or where I saw it. Would the guilty party please contact me off list and remind me why I wanted that set so bad. You know...I take Gingko Boloba tablets to improve my memory. Or they would if only I could remember to take them. Neal (OK, I have left the room. You all can laugh behind my back now) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 1:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] West Wing I think it's time for a contest and TiVo giveaway here on the tadream list. >From: 'E Neal Frost' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: , >Subject: [tadream] West Wing >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:37:04 -0400 > >Very, Very sorry for this off topic post, guys. > >One of my favorite TV show this season is The West Wing. It appears to be a >very important show this season. At least, from what I can see of it. My >local signal keeps fading in and out. > >Anybody in the western time zones, that just might read this post in time, >Please tape tonight's episode and ship it to me. We can discuss a trade >from my TD list if that will help you decide. > >Please contact me off list if you tape it in time. > >I thank the 'Kind Souls' that end up helping. > >Neal > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 3:55 am Subject: Thanks to the Kind Souls And before I forget something else...I wanted to thank all of the 'Kind Souls' that have graciously e-mailed scans of there Fassbinder Covers. The only problem is....I never received the same cover twice. So far, the count is up to four different covers. And I must say, we have some VERY TALENTED and creative artists on this list. Again, thanks to all. Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Apr 4, 2001 9:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane The tracklisting is for the one I have. James, I've gone from your discography and expanded upon it quite heavily. I guess I should e-mail you a copy. Looks like he's quoting Raetikon to me too. -Morgan >From: 'Owens, James' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: ''tadream@o...'' >Subject: [tadream] Re: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:29:06 -0500 > >That brings up a question. I have listed a different version than you. >I don't personally have this, since it seems to be largely the same as >Raetikon. But the version I have listed (I've forgotten who I got the >list from) claims to have 4 tracks. Based on the times of what you've >just given me, I'd say that everything you've listed is the first 2 tracks >in my list (main set 2 of the concert), but my list includes 2 more tracks >(presumably the encores, since they roughly match the encore times on >Raetikon. Here's what I have: > >FRACTAL REALITIES IN A SHATTERED PLANE >Recorded March 1, 1982 Dalas Brooks Hall, Melbourne, Australia > > [ 1.0] 26:52 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 1 > (Ext. version of Mojave Plan from White Eagle) > [ 2.0] 20:27 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 2 > [ 2.1] 4:20 Calymba City part 2 (Antique Dreams) > [ 2.2] 8:20 Thermal Inversion (see Sea of Dreams disc 4, track 7) > [ 2.3] 1:20 Remote Viewing (Exit) > [ 2.4] 3:45 Force Majeure (excerpt) > [ 2.5] 2:45 Logos (end part) > [ 3.0] 10:20 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 3 > (Ext. version of Choronzon from Exit) > > [ 4.0] 4:25 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 4 > (Midnight in Tula from White Eagle) > >total time = 64:04 Quality: mastered from original mixing desk tapes > >This appears to be the entire second set plus two encores. > >James > > >----original message----- > Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 10:58:05 -0500 > From: 'Feldon Feldon' > > >26:51 Mojave Plan extended version (White Eagle) >04:20 Calymba City part 2 (Antique Dreams) >08:20 Thermal Inversion (unreleased-Sea of Dreams compilation) >01:20 Remote Viewing (Exit) >03:45 Force Majeure excerpt >02:45 '81-82 Ending theme' (Logos) > > >From: 'Ronald Clercx' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [tadream] Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane > >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:44:00 +0200 > > > >Hey everybody > > > >Thanks to another subscriber of this group I got my hands on a copy of > >Fractal Realties In A Shattered Plane (recorded in Melbourne Hall >01-03-82 > > > >The only thing we are missing is a tracklist. Can anybody help out here? > > > >Friendly regards > > > >Ronald > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 1:37 pm Subject: Re: Babylon 5/Close of Eddy & Jerry top 10 > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:31:48 -0500 > From: 'Owens, James' > Subject: RE: Babylon 5 comments in the solo discussions thread... > > I have a correction to something Roger said: > > Roger wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:50:01 +0100 > > From: gmroger@p... > > > >Volume 3 was titled 'In the Beginning', which ws a completely new > >soundtrack recorded by Chris for the feature length pilot episode, > >originally recorded by Stuart Copeland. Volume 4 is called > >'Thirdspace', the title for one of the TV movies made after the series > >was completed. > > > >The B5 episodic cd's at most re 30 minutes long and in that sense > >I wouldn't really class them as 'albums', rather as EPs. > > 'In the Beginning' was a movie done by TNT during the 5th season to > introduce late-comers to the series. You are right about the soundtrack > being new, but you are confusing it with 'The Gathering' which is the > pilot episode. There are 2 versions of the pilot: > > the original (with the Stuart Copeland soundtrack) > > the 'special edition' which aired on TNT also during the 5th > season, with the Copeland soundtrack replaced with the standard > Franke. (I have both versions of the opening music/narrative for > this in MP3 if anyone is interested in hearing a comparison.) > > Also, 'Thirdspace' aired during the fifth season, but was set > chronologically during the 4th season. It was not made after the > series was complete, or was at least not aired after the series > was complete. > > James I can neither verify or confirm that but that's the case, thanks James for the additional info. The top five votes for the Eddy & Jerry chart has now closed. I hope to broadcast the results on my radio programme tomorrow, but knowing it is nigh on impossible to recieve Radio Rak on the net, I'll publish the chart Friday evening, along with a playlist and a transcription of the programme. Thanks to all who have voted. Roger -- From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 3:29 pm Subject: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music Hi all, I was boogie boardin' the other day and came across the movie trailer for Red Heat (1985) TD did the soundtrack for the movie, and sure enough the trailer is TD music as well. Only the first few seconds of the trailer has dialogue. The rest of the trailer is all music (with clips from the movie). I don't know how to capture the music to disc (other than maybe record it with a tape player), but it's the longest big of uninterrupted music from that soundtrack I've heard. The link is: http://us.imdb.com/Trailers?0089892&2397&100 If anyone has any luck grabbing the tune, let me know off-list. Thanks, James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26667 Re: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music C. Chambers Thu 4/5/2001 3 KB 26669 Re: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music C. Chambers Thu 4/5/2001 4 KB 26670 SV: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD musi Pergamon Thu 4/5/2001 4 KB 26671 Re: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music Michael Jean Thu 4/5/2001 4 KB 26674 Re: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music Joe Shoults Fri 4/6/2001 2 KB 26686 Re: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music Hilary Wright Sun 4/8/2001 2 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 6:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music Cool! James, I was able to digitally grab the audio and quickly do some filtering to remove some of the compression artifacts. This is nice. The .wav is about 16M and 1 min 34 secs. I can make it an MP3 if anybody is interested... Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 AM > To: 'tadream@o...' > Subject: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music > > > Hi all, > > I was boogie boardin' the other day and came across the movie trailer for > Red Heat (1985) > TD did the soundtrack for the movie, and sure enough the trailer > is TD music > as well. > Only the first few seconds of the trailer has dialogue. The rest of the > trailer is > all music (with clips from the movie). I don't know how to capture the > music > to disc (other than maybe record it with a tape player), but it's the > longest big of > uninterrupted music from that soundtrack I've heard. > > The link is: > http://us.imdb.com/Trailers?0089892&2397&100 > > If anyone has any luck grabbing the tune, let me know off-list. > > Thanks, > James > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26669 Re: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music C. Chambers Thu 4/5/2001 4 KB 26670 SV: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD musi Pergamon Thu 4/5/2001 4 KB From: Nigbur D Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 3:55 pm Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] People going to Shepherds Bush You can add me to the list. Sorry I forgot to tell you earlier. Dennis > ---------- > From: Paul Fellows[SMTP:pfellows@c...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:14 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re : [tadream] People going to Shepherds Bush > > Hi all, > > I thought that as the concert is only just over a month away now, it was > time to post the most recent list of people going (38 in total) and to > encourage those last few lurkers to come out of the woodwork and join in > the > party!! Let me know... > > By the way, Glynn Naughton no longer lives in London (he's moved to Paris) > so any volunteers to ring the pub to warn them? > > Also, is anyone intending to bring some goodies along to exchange? This > would be a golden opportunity...please contact me off-list. > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) > Craig Cordrey (UK) > David Foster (UK) > Duncan McKee (UK) > Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > Glynn Naughton (France) > Heiko Heerssen (Germany) > Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > Jakub (Polish, lives in UK) > James Williams + 1 friend (UK) > Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > Klaus Beschorner? (Germany) > Lawry Simm (USA) > Marion & husband (Dave) (UK) > Matthew Stringer (UK) > Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) > Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > Paul Fellows (France) > Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) > Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) > Rainer Rutka (Germany) > Ray (UK) > Richard (UK?) > Roger Hartopp (Poland) > Steve Jenkins (UK) > > Cheers > > Paul > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 7:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music The MP3 is just under 1.5M using HQ 128kbps compression..what an awesome looking flick...I have never seen it, but it definietly looks like something I wanna seek out. Is it on DVD by any chance? Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: C. Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:54 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music > > > Cool! James, I was able to digitally grab the audio and quickly do some > filtering to remove some of the compression artifacts. This is nice. The > .wav is about 16M and 1 min 34 secs. I can make it an MP3 if anybody is > interested... > > Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 AM > > To: 'tadream@o...' > > Subject: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I was boogie boardin' the other day and came across the movie > trailer for > > Red Heat (1985) > > TD did the soundtrack for the movie, and sure enough the trailer > > is TD music > > as well. > > Only the first few seconds of the trailer has dialogue. The rest of the > > trailer is > > all music (with clips from the movie). I don't know how to capture the > > music > > to disc (other than maybe record it with a tape player), but it's the > > longest big of > > uninterrupted music from that soundtrack I've heard. > > > > The link is: > > http://us.imdb.com/Trailers?0089892&2397&100 > > > > If anyone has any luck grabbing the tune, let me know off-list. > > > > Thanks, > > James > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 5:42 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music Hi Craig I am interested, can I get you to send it to me???? mailto:pergamon@p... Thanks Jan > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: C. Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...] > Sendt: 5. april 2001 20:54 > Til: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Emne: RE: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music > > > Cool! James, I was able to digitally grab the audio and quickly do some > filtering to remove some of the compression artifacts. This is nice. The > .wav is about 16M and 1 min 34 secs. I can make it an MP3 if anybody is > interested... > > Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 AM > > To: 'tadream@o...' > > Subject: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I was boogie boardin' the other day and came across the movie > trailer for > > Red Heat (1985) > > TD did the soundtrack for the movie, and sure enough the trailer > > is TD music > > as well. > > Only the first few seconds of the trailer has dialogue. The rest of the > > trailer is > > all music (with clips from the movie). I don't know how to capture the > > music > > to disc (other than maybe record it with a tape player), but it's the > > longest big of > > uninterrupted music from that soundtrack I've heard. > > > > The link is: > > http://us.imdb.com/Trailers?0089892&2397&100 > > > > If anyone has any luck grabbing the tune, let me know off-list. > > > > Thanks, > > James > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Michael Jean Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 5:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music It was a pretty lousy movire from what I remember...Though I guess it depends on your taste in films... At least we got to see what Linda Blair really looks like all grown up. ------Original Message------ From: 'C. Chambers' To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: April 5, 2001 6:54:23 PM GMT Subject: RE: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music Cool! James, I was able to digitally grab the audio and quickly do some filtering to remove some of the compression artifacts. This is nice. The ..wav is about 16M and 1 min 34 secs. I can make it an MP3 if anybody is interested... Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 AM > To: 'tadream@o...' > Subject: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music > > > Hi all, > > I was boogie boardin' the other day and came across the movie trailer for > Red Heat (1985) > TD did the soundtrack for the movie, and sure enough the trailer > is TD music > as well. > Only the first few seconds of the trailer has dialogue. The rest of the > trailer is > all music (with clips from the movie). I don't know how to capture the > music > to disc (other than maybe record it with a tape player), but it's the > longest big of > uninterrupted music from that soundtrack I've heard. > > The link is: > http://us.imdb.com/Trailers?0089892&2397&100 > > If anyone has any luck grabbing the tune, let me know off-list. > > Thanks, > James > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri Apr 6, 2001 11:24 am Subject: Questions Hello all, Would the list owners and/or moderators please contact me off list. I have created a list myself for the members of my high school graduating class to coordinated for a reunion next summer. But my list doesn't seem to be running as smoothly as these lists do. Please help me..... If you respond during the day, please contact me at work. Otherwise, please contact me at home.....but someone please contact me off list.... Neal Work - NealFrost@D... Home - Strat95@b... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30808 Questions David Foster Sun 12/23/2001 3 KB 30813 Re: Questions John Vertical Sun 12/23/2001 3 KB 30827 Re: Questions Michael A Jean Mon 12/24/2001 2 KB 30820 Re: Questions quarlie@a... Mon 12/24/2001 3 KB 30821 Re: Questions Mark Filipak Mon 12/24/2001 2 KB 30825 Re: Questions DAVKAUFMAN@a... Mon 12/24/2001 2 KB 32653 Questions Morgan Feldon Mon 3/11/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Apr 6, 2001 1:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music try a program called TotalRecorder. it will capture anything going through your soundcard. http://www.totalrecorder.com I have an old version; contact me offlist for more info. Joe > -----Original Message----- > > trailer for Red Heat (1985)... > > > The link is: > > > http://us.imdb.com/Trailers?0089892&2397&100 > > > If anyone has any luck grabbing the tune, let me know off-list. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26686 Re: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music Hilary Wright Sun 4/8/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Fri Apr 6, 2001 1:50 pm Subject: Opticaldream-Homepage Hi all, do you visit my Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage??? NO, then jump to: http://www.opticaldream.de Thank you, for your visit. heiko burg germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Fri Apr 6, 2001 6:11 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music I'm disgusted, only PC users can access it, what about us Mac addicts? Paul ---------- >De : 'C. Chambers' >Ŕ : >Objet : RE: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music >Date : Jeu 5 avr 2001 20:54 > > Cool! James, I was able to digitally grab the audio and quickly do some > filtering to remove some of the compression artifacts. This is nice. The > wav is about 16M and 1 min 34 secs. I can make it an MP3 if anybody is > interested... > > Craig > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 AM >> To: 'tadream@o...' >> Subject: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> I was boogie boardin' the other day and came across the movie trailer for >> Red Heat (1985) >> TD did the soundtrack for the movie, and sure enough the trailer >> is TD music >> as well. >> Only the first few seconds of the trailer has dialogue. The rest of the >> trailer is >> all music (with clips from the movie). I don't know how to capture the >> music >> to disc (other than maybe record it with a tape player), but it's the >> longest big of >> uninterrupted music from that soundtrack I've heard. >> >> The link is: >> http://us.imdb.com/Trailers?0089892&2397&100 >> >> If anyone has any luck grabbing the tune, let me know off-list. >> >> Thanks, >> James >> >> ---------------------------------------------------~-~ >> Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >> Details at http://www.tadream.net >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Apr 6, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio transcript Here is the transcript for the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten, as broadcast on Poland's Radio Rak: ASTRAL VOYAGER: Prog 046, Friday 6 April 2001 R: Good evening. I'm Roger Hartopp, and welcome to a very special edition of Astral Voyager, here on Radio Rak, broadcasting on 100.5 FM in the Kraków area, and on all over the world courtesy of the World Wide Web. Tonight's show features the Top Ten albums recorded by the band from the period 1991 to 2000. Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS VOLUME 1 Track 2 Tangerine Dream have been around now for just over thirty years, and gone through over thirty different band members, but the few last years have been constant in the sense that the two regular members through this time have been Edgar Froese, the band's founder member, and his son Jerome. This period of the band's career hasn't been without its controversy, with differing views from its fans as regarding the musical direction. But the band will be playing a concert in London on May the 12th to celebrate the release of their latest album, Dream Mixes 3, a CD of recent and new Tangerine Dream material and given the dance treatment. To celebrate this event, I asked a number of fans from a discussion group recognised by the band what their favourite albums were from Edgar & Jerome, affectionately known as Eddy & Jerry. There have been – arguably – 21 releases, excluding compilations, and each fan was asked for their top five choices. An album placed at number 1 in an individual's list would receive five points, number two four points, and so on, all the way down to number one, which would get one point. 45 fans cast their votes and here are the results. Even if you're not a Tangerine Dream fan, or you know little of the band, you should find the sheer variety of music the band have produced quite entertaining – I'd like to think there isn't a duff track tonight. Due to the fact we only have an hour-long programme, I'll only be playing short excerpts from the albums voted at 10, 9, 8 & 7. Let's start at number ten – a live album recorded at The Shepherd's Bush Empire in 1997, and eventually released in 1999 – this is Valentine Wheels, and Betrayal... TANGERINE DREAM: VALENTINE WHEELS Track 2: Betrayal From the album voted at number 10, that was `Betrayal'. Now, at number nine, a CD that has split fandom right down the middle. A much more quiet, sedate side to the band – no percussion or sequencers – this polled enough votes to put it into the number nine position. From last year, the album is `The Seven Letters From Tibet', and this is `The Green Land'... TANGERINE DREAM: THE SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET Track 4: The Green Land Actually, all the tracks have one thing in common on `The Seven Letters From Tibet' – they mention colours, that is if you count the track `The Golden Heart' as a colour, i.e. Yellow. The track listing is `The Red Blood Connection', `The Orange Breath', `The Golden Heart', `The Green Land', `The Blue Pearl', `The Indigo Clouds' and `The Purple of all Curtains'. Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and purple – or violet, or the colours of the rainbow. This is at number eight. Another live album – my personal favourite – from 1997, and recorded here in Poland – from `Tournado', this is `Flashflood'... TANGERINE DREAM: TOURNADO Track 2: Flashflood (7.49) Recorded live on the 23rd of April 1997 at the `Dome Muziki i Tanca' in Zabrze, Poland, that was `Flashflood', from the album `Tournado'. It was essentially the set that was performed when they also toured Britain in November of that year, and with the same line-up as the `Valentine Wheels' album. In fact, if you put the two albums together, you essentially have the full concert as performed in that year. Let's move onto the album voted at number seven. That album is `What a Blast', and this is `Silver Siren'... TANGERINE DREAM: WHAT A BLAST! Track 2: Silver Siren You're listening to Astral Voyager with me, Roger Hartopp, here on Radio Rak, broadcasting on 100.5FM in the Krakow area of Poland, and on the World Wide Web. Now let's concentrate on the Top six, as these six were streets ahead of the rest of the field, clearly showing that there is definite consensus as regards the band's best albums. During the first half of the 1990's, most fans were agreeing that a large majority of the band's output was somewhat average. In the meantime, Jerome, who is actually quite keen on dance music and even deejays on occasions as TDJ Rome, decided that maybe the band's music could do with the remix treatment. There had been many approaches in the past from various artists and producers to remix Tangerine Dream material – to date, there's only been one example of a track being authorised for remixing by the band, and they were less than happy with it – but if a track is going to be remixed, as far as the band is concerned, they're going to do it so it remains a Tangerine Dream product. And the results were previously dull average tracks suddenly given an incredible new lease of life, along with some outstanding new material. It would be a style that would occasionally carry through to their normal output as well. What started this was `The Dream Mixes'. And this was voted at number six... TANGERINE DREAM: THE DREAM MIXES Disc 1 Track 5: Virtually Fields (6.50) Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS VOLUME 1 Track 3 From the TDI version of `The Dream Mixes' – there were in fact two versions, a single and a double CD release - that was `Virtually Fields', voted in at number six. Despite the fact that 45 people casted votes in this poll, the albums placed at numbers five, four and three literally only had one point between them. It really was that close. This album received a total of 63 points, the album at four getting 63.5 and the number three 64. As a result of the positive response metered out to `Dream Mixes' – particularly after it was re-issued as a double CD with extra tracks – Jerome Froese, the instigator of the original project, decided to embark on the same exercise, although this time remixing just two tracks and the rest being new material. The result of this was `Timesquare' – Dream Mixes two' – and this is `Pixel Pirates'... TANGERINE DREAM: TIMESQUARE Track 5: Pixel Pirates (6.55) Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS VOLUME 1 Track 4 There was really nothing in it between the two Dream Mixes albums as far as your votes went. Originally made available on the 1997 tour in the UK, that was Timesquare – Dream Mixes two, and `Pixel Pirates'. Incidentally, `Dream Mixes 3' should be available next month, and I hope to play tracks on Astral Voyager when it comes back in a few weeks. And shading it literally by half a point, the album voted at number four is interesting in the sense that for many it was the album that marked the renaissance of this particular version of Tangerine Dream as regards their usual studio output, as opposed to say, `The Dream Mixes'. It was the last to feature Linda Spa, the band's sax, horn and occasional keyboard player - and former model, which was enough to keep a lot of male fans happy even though in their view the music was a bit ordinary. Even though she's photographed on the back and in the inner sleeve notes, she only features on the last two tracks on the album, co-composing one of them. It was interesting to note that on the subsequent version released in Australia, all photographs of her were removed, as was the one track she was credited as co- composer, which to me indicates it may have been a less than happy split. The album we're talking about is `Goblins' Club', a title inspired by a plane journey and looking out of the window at the ground below – and this is interestingly titled `Lamb with Radar Eyes'... TANGERINE DREAM: GOBLIN'S CLUB Track 6: Lamb with Radar Eyes (8.42) Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS VOLUME 1 Track 5 From their 1996 studio album, the last to be recorded on a separate label before the band started to release albums on their own – that was `Goblins' Club', and the wonderfully titled `Lamb with Radar Eyes'... You're listening to Astral Voyager with me, Roger Hartopp, here on Radio Rak, broadcasting on 100.5FM in the Krakow area of Poland, and on the World Wide Web. Number three – which itself only beat `Goblin's Club' by a half point - was a little bit surprising, bearing in mind much criticism was made at the time as regards the band's guest guitarist as being too dominant on the tracks he plays. But having said that, there are plenty of fine tracks on `220 Volt', our number three album, and this one – not featuring the guitar of Zlatko Pierca, the man in question - but one Jerome Froese. From 220 Volt, this is `Backstreet Hero'... TANGERINE DREAM: 220 VOLT Track 6: Backstreet Hero (8.49) Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS VOLUME 1 Track 7 A live album recorded on their North American tour back in 1992, that was `220 Volt' and `Backstreet Hero', voted in at number 3 as regards the best albums recorded by Edgar & Jerome Froese. Although it polled more votes than Goblins' Club, it was the only instance in the chart where it actually had less votes cast than the album beneath it – that is, 21 people cast votes for 220 Volt, while 22 cast votes for Goblins' Club. But 220 Volt beat Goblins' Club by half a point. The number two I have to say is a little bit of a surprise, although I myself gave it a point when I was making my selection, but even though it's a video soundtrack album to natural wonders to be found in the American Southwest, it's a very fine studio album in its own right, and I think it did quite well because it was released during a period when, well let's say the band's output was less than inspiring and was starting to lean too heavily towards the guitar. With no guitars at all, the number two album is `Oasis', and this is `Summer Storm'... TANGERINE DREAM: OASIS Track 7: Summer Storm (6.06) Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS VOLUME 1 Track 9 From the video soundtrack `Oasis', which finished at a very credible number two, and that was `Summer Storm'. I assume this tape is also on sale in the United States, but it is a little more difficult to get hold of in Europe, particularly because there are very few copies available in the PAL TV format. But I do know that these formats can be got hold of across the Atlantic. One assumes, if not already, that it will be available as a DVD. And now here's the top Ten Tangerine Dream albums voted by you, the fans – At ten, from 1999, `Valentine Wheels', an album of classic Tangerine Dream material recorded live in 1997; at nine, from last year, the sedate `Seven Letters From Tibet'; at eight, another live album, the second half of the set played during their concerts in 1997; `Tournado'; At seven, a video soundtrack album from 1999, `What A Blast'; at six, `The Dream Mixes' followed at number 5 by `Dream Mixes two' – otherwise known as `Timesquare'... at number four, the 1996 studio album `Goblins' Club', at three, the 1992 live album `220 Volt', and at two, the other video soundtrack, `Oasis'. The number one album should be of no surprise to all fans of the band. Recorded two years ago as a kind of soundtrack to the ill-fated Mars Polar Lander, for me this was an album that seems to have had more thought and more time put into it, and some of the tracks here are very clever indeed. Three quarters of those who voted included this album in their top five, and it's by far the most popular album, receiving a total of 117 points, as opposed to `Oasis', which received 73 points. It's not the band's best album as regards their history, but it stands out head and shoulders as regards their recent output. From 1999 – it's Mars Polaris. TANGERINE DREAM: MARS POLARIS Track 8: Astrophobia (9.57) Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS VOLUME 1 Track 11 `Astrophobia', from the number one album `Mars Polaris' as voted for by the fans and recorded by Edgar and Jerome Froese of Tangerine Dream from 1991 to the present day. Thank you all very much for listening to this special edition of Astral Voyager. My thanks to Peter Karamon, my sound engineer, and thanks too to Joe Shoults for allowing me to hijack his discussion group – and those 45 who voted from the group - for the purposes of putting together the show. `Astral Voyager' is now taking a five week break; we'll be back on Friday the 18th of May, hopefully playing tracks from the new Tangerine Dream album – `Dream Mixes 3'. Next week Dan Lehman will be sitting in this spot with his own show; `Piwnica Rats', so join him from 10pm to 11pm. `Music For The Night Bats', broadcast in English and Polish, follows this programme. You're listening to Radio Rak, broadcasting on 100.5FM in the Kraków area of Poland, and on the World Wide Web. I'm Roger Hartopp – I'm off to Shepherd's Bush in London – see you in five weeks. Goodnight. THIS PART NOT USED FOR BROADCAST: Thanks to the following who casted their votes: Sean A.; Colin Anderson; Frank Arellano; Bennett; Thomas Bertilsson; Bob (pw098); Daniel (quarlie); Rolf Elfstrom; Utch Entel; Poul Erik; Steven Feldman; David Foster; Greg (designx); J. Gordon; Roger Hartopp; Heiko Heerssen; Daniel Hobrecht; Bert Hulshoff; James E. Jacoby; Gary Jenkins; Colin Jouxson; Koulos Kostas; Paul Lawler; Rimas Lazutka; Marion; Piotr S. Millenium; Sean Montgomery; Morgan; Michal Moroz; Heiko Neumann; Dennis Nigbur; Antonio Nunes; Odym.; James Owens; Peter Ravn; Eric Rochon; Olle Rundgren; Mathew Sawyer; Joe Shoults; Lawry Simm; Brian Stewart; Matthew Stringer; Armin Theissen; Uwe; Steve Yensen. So, the final results were: 1 Mars Polaris (117 points from 32 votes cast) 2 Oasis (73/24) 3 220 Volt (64/21) 4 Goblins' Club (63.5/22) 5 Timesquare – Dream Mixes 2 (63/20) 6 The Dream Mixes (57/18) 7 What A Blast! (41/12) 8 Tournado (28/10) 9 The Seven Letters From Tibet (27/9) 10 Valentine Wheels (20/7) 11 Tyranny of Beauty (18/7) 12 Turn of the Tides (17.5/6) 13 The Great Wall of China (15/7) 14 Quinoa (14/6) 15 Rockoon (13/4) 16 Transsiberia (11/5) 17 Ambient Monkeys (7/2) 18 Hollywood Years Vol 1 (6/2) =18 Zoning (6/2) 20 Rumplestiltskin (5/2) 21 Hollywood Years Vol 2 (0/0) A few notes: Those votes cast for a top four only were marked as 5, 4, 3, 2; and Mat Sawyer's three Ed & Jez choices in his Top 5 has been awarded 5, 4 & 3. Those who gave their Top Fives `in no particular order' were all given an even three points each. So no-one, absolutely no-one has a fondness for Hollywood Years Vol 2. I'm surprised Zoning is placed so low because it really isn't a bad album at all. Even Ambient Monkeys has two fans out there. The rest are probably as expected, but the closeness of the albums at 3, 4 & 5 is surprising, and I think a lot of us will be surprised at the popularity of 220 Volt. So, what do you all think? Comments, anyone? Okay – hope you enjoyed the show (if only recreating it in the mind)... Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26691 Re: The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - rad j.gordon Mon 4/9/2001 18 KB 26692 Re: The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - rad j.gordon Mon 4/9/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Apr 6, 2001 10:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio tra nscript excellent! What is your URL for the radio shows? I know I tried to go there a long time ago, but the site wouldn't load, despite me being on a T1 line. If you've fixed it, post the link here for everybody and I'll add it to the tadream.net site. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...] > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:47 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio > transcript > > > Here is the transcript ... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26679 Re: The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - rad Gary Jenkins Sat 4/7/2001 2 KB 26698 Re: The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - rad Feldon Feldon Mon 4/9/2001 3 KB 26724 Re: The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - rad Roger Hartopp Thu 4/12/2001 3 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 7:44 am Subject: Re: The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio tra nscript Thanks Roger great post of your show,glad to see my five choices featured in the top six,which highlights a great improvement in there output since DM 1 arrived. Cheers Gary. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...] > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:47 PM > > To: tadream@y... > > Subject: [tadream] The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio > > transcript > > > > > > Here is the transcript ... From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 10:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane Are there different covers for Fractal Realities then? I do not have a cover that lists any tracks at all. I guess I should type out the tracks that has been provided by the list and put that as my back cover. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane > 26:51 Mojave Plan extended version (White Eagle) > 04:20 Calymba City part 2 (Antique Dreams) > 08:20 Thermal Inversion (unreleased-Sea of Dreams compilation) > 01:20 Remote Viewing (Exit) > 03:45 Force Majeure excerpt > 02:45 '81-82 Ending theme' (Logos) > > >From: 'Ronald Clercx' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [tadream] Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane > >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:44:00 +0200 > > > >Hey everybody > > > >Thanks to another subscriber of this group I got my hands on a copy of > >Fractal Realties In A Shattered Plane (recorded in Melbourne Hall 01-03-82 > > > >The only thing we are missing is a tracklist. Can anybody help out here? > > > >Friendly regards > > > >Ronald > > > > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ > >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > >Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 8:01 pm Subject: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] Hello everyone! From time to time, I consider playing Goblins' Club, because I keep noticing that some people like it, so I'm still looking for the good points of it. So far I think it's boring and forgettable, but I remember I liked Towards the Evening Star and Rising Haul in Silence. The only thing is that I couldn't remember what RHIS was like; I only knew it was a bit chaotic, with lots of different sections. Many months ago, I posted about this album saying it was 'enjoyable'. I don't remember what exactly I wrote about it. So once again, I'll give this album a chance. TTES Very good. You just have to forget the drum rolls (always the same drum roll). ADM Percussion is slightly excessive. Sequences are uninteresting / uninspiring, the same goes for the weak melodies. The samples('dressen nevedenah, poshvee poshvee', 'check heebeedee' in the end) just make the track weirder. OCP Better than the previous. It makes me remind of Tyranny, but I haven't heard Tyranny this year yet. At least there's the guitars, which are nice. Those choral sounds played here and in ADM are really uninteresting. And those chord sequences... they're 'blah'. The track could've been much better. Again, the melodies are weak, just few notes and chords played all with the same duration. RHIS I always have a sort of déjŕ vu when I hear the little tune in the intro. I wonder if I had heard it before in the past. Percussion is more interesting, there's a real melody, and it's not bad at all. The track goes a bit uninteresting, and then shortly after the 2:00 mark it has a promising change. The percussion stops and then comes back, with a nice guitar melody. At the 4 minute mark there's a kind of bridge, and then it stops again, with some harp sounds. It sounds like the track is ending, but then the probably best moment in the track is played. An excellent yet simple tune is played, with good chords. An early theme is played again then. From 4:00 to 5:40 (right now), the track begins to flow very nicely. Another early theme is replayed and then the track begins to end. The theme is replayed again and the track ends. This could be considered the best track in GC. It's not a masterpiece, but it's very good anyway. Maybe even better than the first track. UGP There are some blah chorals in this track. The intro has guitars, playing a little nice melody. After the intro it has an end-of-album style; I don't know exactly how to describe this. It doesn't develop much, but it's not boring as ADM and OCP. It's a good track. Not as good as RHIS and TTES, maybe, but much better than ADM and OCP. LWRE There are some distorted sounds in the intro, which is nice. Then some percussion very similar to something used before. Again, uninteresting melody with long notes (1:30). Give me the Ricochet part 1 guitar theme any time. Long notes, but immensely more effective. Percussion gets faster (2:10), but still there's essentially nothing here. Just filler. At 2:50 it changes to a nice passage a bass melody that makes me think of James Bond movies or something like that. Sometime close to 4:00 it's just filler again. 4:40:blah,blah,blah. 4:50:blah,blah,blah... at 5:10 it changes again, but it's uninteresting again. A weak melody is repeated over and over... at 6:30 or something some nice chords are played. Later, there's a piano theme that really sounds like something I've heard before in the album. Another blah track like ADM and OCP. EJATMP Wow, this track's beginning was my strongest memory of GC. The moment it began, was like playing that old album you liked and lost, and then found it again. This intro was just sitting forgotten in my memory. The melody is ___beautiful___, and it's probably the first time I really, really enjoy the music, almost like I do when playing those classic TD albums we all like. You should hear this track, it's maybe almost as nice as Tiergarten, for example. For the first time the choral sounds are used in a good way. The length of the track is perfect, 4:43. This is certainly one of the best tracks in GC. SMS Its intro is just a bit blah. At 2:00 there are some cymbals and some old synth noises. A little sequence begins. A theme appears at 2:40, and it IS good. The track continues flowing nicely, with an instrument change. The percussion begins around 5:00, and it IS good, and fits in the music very well. After 5:30, the melody and chords begin to annoyingly wander a bit until almost 7:00, when the percussion changes. The music changes then but it seems to be kind of lost, there's nothing much to listen to in here (7:00-8:30). At 8:30, percussion stops and the music begins to end, but it still isn't anything worth writing home about. This track begins nicely but unfortunately it gets lost around 5:30. The problem of this album is that the 'less good' tracks are very boring and/or uninteresting. What saves it from being 100% crap are, in my opinion, Towards the Evening Star, Rising Haul in Silence, United Goblins' Parade and Elf June and the Midnight Patrol. So, considering number of tracks, you could say it's 50% crap. And the 50% which is crap is totally forgettable music; they sound like leftovers. And this forgettable music simply ruins the whole idea one might have about GC. I was very glad to have found those other 2 good tracks, UGP and Elf June, specially Elf June. My suggestion is: get your GC, and play only these tracks, in this order: track 1 (TTES); track 4 (RHIS); track 7 (EJATMP); track 5 (UGP). That makes a nice collection of tracks, and if TD had more inspiration or worked more, putting 4 more tracks as good as those, this could've been a very good album, dare I say excellent. GJ, who took one year to really have a definitive opinion about GC. (I have it since 26/feb/2000) Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26684 Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] Richard Sun 4/8/2001 3 KB 26754 Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] Joe Shoults Mon 4/16/2001 2 KB 26759 Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] Antonio Nunes Tue 4/17/2001 2 KB 26761 Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] lawlermusic Tue 4/17/2001 2 KB 26762 Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] Feldon Feldon Tue 4/17/2001 3 KB 26767 Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] glynn_naughton@h... Wed 4/18/2001 2 KB 26794 Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] Nigbur D Mon 4/23/2001 3 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 8:22 pm Subject: THE KEEP on ebay ATTENTION Hi all, ATTENTION please: on ebay is an item called: THE KEEP (see below) and this is not a 2CD release only a 2CDR release. Here my Question for the seller and the answer: >They are cd-rs > Hi, is the item really a 2CD Release or only a 2CDR-Release??? It is possible > to send a scan from the CD`s to my email adress: heiko@o... > Thank you. heineu > -------------------- > > > Question from: heineu > Title of item: TANGERINE DREAM THE KEEP SOUNDTRACK + EXTRA!! > Seller: enero30 > Starts: Apr-04-01 21:54:19 PDT > Ends: Apr-11-01 21:54:19 PDT > Price: Currently $51.00 > To view the item, go to: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1421904224 Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 2:09 am Subject: Dream Watchers Hey there all, sorry for the delay (going to the person who sent me the Cdr copy), BUT I did receive my Dream Watchers Cds in the mail just the other day, and they are absolutely incredibly totally fabulously awesome. THANKS THANKS THANKS. To all the artists and musicians who have put their heart and hard work into doing this material, cudos going out your way. You guys have done awesome, incredible work. I am very very appreciative of listening to this, and most definately to the person who sent me copies, THANKS. You're the coolest. Anyone not having a copy of this, I was promised several copies, however I only received one copy, BUT in the meantime, if you were/are in a leaf of mine, I think I've passed those onto someone else, as it took awhile, BUT I am fully prepared to help assist in any way, shape or form to provide copies to others who want this. If you don't know, GET IT. It's worth every penny you won't have to spend (and someone was kind enough to provide me with links online to download the artwork which is AWESOME and STUNNING), so I'll send the links that way too. If interested, e-note me off the list. Thanks again everyone. This stuff is absolutely fabulous. Great work. dan P.S. JUST wondering (BIG GRIN) when's DW 2 coming out? :) hehehehe Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com Crackasmile, TeslaGroup, TheTradingCircle, ChristianRockMusic, Found HERE! http://www.yahoogroups.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), MSN Messenger

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26696 Re: Dream Watchers DoKToR STRaNGe Mon 4/9/2001 3 KB From: Richard Date: Sun Apr 8, 2001 7:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] >EJATMP >Wow, this track's beginning was my strongest memory of GC. The moment it began, >was like playing that old album you liked and lost, and then found it again. >This intro was just sitting forgotten in my memory. The melody is >___beautiful___, and it's probably the first time I really, really enjoy the >music, almost like I do when playing those classic TD albums we all like. You >should hear this track, it's maybe almost as nice as Tiergarten, for example. >For the first time the choral sounds are used in a good way. The length of the >track is perfect, 4:43. This is certainly one of the best tracks in GC. This thread has just reminded me to ask you guys a question. Way back when, TD started to put 'sheet music' up on their site. I believe the first one was this track. Did anyone download it. If so could you send it to me. Also, does anyone know why the y stopped the idea? All the best -- Richard Ford [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Sun Apr 8, 2001 8:15 am Subject: blue room producer.... Anyone know if the third player on Blue Room (Haslinger/Baumann) is really the producer of some of (Judas Priest's) lead vocalist Rob Halford solo albums? And who's the female backup on Blue Room? --tei np Blue Room _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26687 Re: blue room producer.... Dave Brewer Sun 4/8/2001 3 KB 26688 Re: blue room producer.... Michael A Jean Mon 4/9/2001 4 KB 26697 Re: blue room producer.... tei waz Mon 4/9/2001 2 KB From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Sun Apr 8, 2001 2:36 pm Subject: Re: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music You could try a program called Messer - Memo Session Sound Recorder - its freeware, unlike totalrecorder, and you can get it at http://www.dago.pmp.com.pl/messer/ I used it to grab the Red Heat trailer without any problems. If anyone wants an mp3 copy ley me know off list. Hilary --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > try a program called TotalRecorder. it will capture anything going through > your soundcard. > http://www.totalrecorder.com > > I have an old version; contact me offlist for more info. > > Joe > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > trailer for Red Heat (1985)... > > > > The link is: > > > > http://us.imdb.com/Trailers?0089892&2397&100 > > > > If anyone has any luck grabbing the tune, let me know off- list. From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Sun Apr 8, 2001 3:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] blue room producer.... Coming out of lurk mode again... I'm not sure about Baxter, other than he was in the band Reflex (who did 'The Politics of Dancing'). Actually, I think he kinda sounds like the lead singer from Queensryche in some spots. As for the female vocalist, I believe Haslinger said in interviews that that was Nona Hendryx, who of course contributed more vocals on his solo albums. I wonder why they had to scrap this project when it was pretty much finished? Seems a shame to waste so much effort and time. Dave B. (back to lurking and eagerly awaiting Okefenokee 2001...) -----Original Message----- From: tei waz To: tadream@yahoogroups.com ; teiwazbarana@h... Date: Sunday, April 08, 2001 1:15 AM Subject: [tadream] blue room producer.... >Anyone know if the third player on Blue Room (Haslinger/Baumann) is really >the producer of some of (Judas Priest's) lead vocalist Rob Halford solo >albums? And who's the female backup on Blue Room? > >--tei > >np Blue Room Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26688 Re: blue room producer.... Michael A Jean Mon 4/9/2001 4 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 2:16 am Subject: RE: [tadream] blue room producer.... I think there was an article about it back in BEYOND THE HORIZON...If I find my old issues I'll let you know...Unless Dave or Brian recall...(I think they are on the list) MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Brewer [mailto:deibu@i...] > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 11:44 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] blue room producer.... > > > Coming out of lurk mode again... > > I'm not sure about Baxter, other than he was in the band Reflex (who did > 'The Politics of Dancing'). Actually, I think he kinda sounds > like the lead > singer from Queensryche in some spots. > > As for the female vocalist, I believe Haslinger said in > interviews that that > was Nona Hendryx, who of course contributed more vocals on his > solo albums. > > I wonder why they had to scrap this project when it was pretty much > finished? Seems a shame to waste so much effort and time. > > Dave B. (back to lurking and eagerly awaiting Okefenokee 2001...) > > -----Original Message----- > From: tei waz > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com ; > teiwazbarana@h... > Date: Sunday, April 08, 2001 1:15 AM > Subject: [tadream] blue room producer.... > > > >Anyone know if the third player on Blue Room (Haslinger/Baumann) > is really > >the producer of some of (Judas Priest's) lead vocalist Rob Halford solo > >albums? And who's the female backup on Blue Room? > > > >--tei > > > >np Blue Room > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 6:13 am Subject: D: Solo discussion weeks Solo discussions fizzled in the planning stages apparently. I don't have a lot of time to organize or collaborate on this project unfortunately. I think every one of Edgar Froese's solos should have a week to itself, and then Beyond the Storm and any of his other compilations (the lone track on the 70-80 box) should have 1 week to itself. I think every one of Chris Franke's solo CDs (excluding Babylon 5) should have a week to itself. Then I'm not sure how to handle the B5 stuff. I think every one of Peter Baumann's solo CDs should have a week to itself. I think every one of Johannes Schmoelling's solo CDs should have a week to itself. (his remixes could be discussed the same week as the original) Maybe a few weeks of good tidings and discussions about influential albums from Klaus Schulze, Klaus Krieger, Steve Joliffe, Paul Haslinger, and anyone else who contributed for a relatively short period. And 1 or 2 weeks dedicated to Jerome Froese's contributions and what we think of his solo work (lots of composing credits guessing involved!) Hope I haven't jumbled things even more! -Morgan P.S. I do have all of EF's solos now, so I could start out doing 1 a week. I reviewed Epsilon but nobody else did. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 8:04 am Subject: Schmoelling's Zoo of tranquility 1988 CD at eBAY Hi Folks, for anyone who's interested in an original 1988 Theta CD copy of Johannes Schmoelling's 2nd solo release 'Zoo of tranquility' have a look at the following URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1421913719 The auction expires in 2 days. Heiko From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 8:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio transcript hey, roger... that was great... it was like i was there in my mind... with all the music and everything... i wonder how you chose the tracks you chose to play on the show... first, because, without an exception, you chose tracks that i wouldn't have chosen... =), and second, your choices provided and interesting cross section of those sampled albums... just curious, and thanks again for the transcription... it was great... j.gordon --- Roger Hartopp wrote: > Here is the transcript for the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten, as broadcast on > Poland's Radio Rak: > > ASTRAL VOYAGER: Prog 046, Friday 6 April 2001 > > R: Good evening. I'm Roger Hartopp, and welcome to a very special > edition of Astral Voyager, here on Radio Rak, broadcasting on 100.5 > FM in the Kraków area, and on all over the world courtesy of the > World Wide Web. Tonight's show features the Top Ten albums recorded > by the band from the period 1991 to 2000. > Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS > VOLUME 1 Track 2 > Tangerine Dream have been around now for just over thirty years, and > gone through over thirty different band members, but the few last > years have been constant in the sense that the two regular members > through this time have been Edgar Froese, the band's founder member, > and his son Jerome. This period of the band's career hasn't been > without its controversy, with differing views from its fans as > regarding the musical direction. But the band will be playing a > concert in London on May the 12th to celebrate the release of their > latest album, Dream Mixes 3, a CD of recent and new Tangerine Dream > material and given the dance treatment. To celebrate this event, I > asked a number of fans from a discussion group recognised by the band > what their favourite albums were from Edgar & Jerome, affectionately > known as Eddy & Jerry. There have been – arguably – 21 releases, > excluding compilations, and each fan was asked for their top five > choices. An album placed at number 1 in an individual's list would > receive five points, number two four points, and so on, all the way > down to number one, which would get one point. 45 fans cast their > votes and here are the results. Even if you're not a Tangerine Dream > fan, or you know little of the band, you should find the sheer > variety of music the band have produced quite entertaining – I'd like > to think there isn't a duff track tonight. Due to the fact we only > have an hour-long programme, I'll only be playing short excerpts from > the albums voted at 10, 9, 8 & 7. Let's start at number ten – a live > album recorded at The Shepherd's Bush Empire in 1997, and eventually > released in 1999 – this is Valentine Wheels, and Betrayal... > TANGERINE DREAM: VALENTINE WHEELS Track 2: Betrayal > From the album voted at number 10, that was `Betrayal'. Now, at > number nine, a CD that has split fandom right down the middle. A much > more quiet, sedate side to the band – no percussion or sequencers – > this polled enough votes to put it into the number nine position. > From last year, the album is `The Seven Letters From Tibet', and this > is `The Green Land'... > TANGERINE DREAM: THE SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET Track 4: The Green Land > Actually, all the tracks have one thing in common on `The Seven > Letters From Tibet' – they mention colours, that is if you count the > track `The Golden Heart' as a colour, i.e. Yellow. The track listing > is `The Red Blood Connection', `The Orange Breath', `The Golden > Heart', `The Green Land', `The Blue Pearl', `The Indigo Clouds' and > `The Purple of all Curtains'. Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, > indigo and purple – or violet, or the colours of the rainbow. > This is at number eight. Another live album – my personal favourite – > from 1997, and recorded here in Poland – from `Tournado', this is > `Flashflood'... > TANGERINE DREAM: TOURNADO Track 2: Flashflood (7.49) > Recorded live on the 23rd of April 1997 at the `Dome Muziki i Tanca' > in Zabrze, Poland, that was `Flashflood', from the album `Tournado'. > It was essentially the set that was performed when they also toured > Britain in November of that year, and with the same line-up as the > `Valentine Wheels' album. In fact, if you put the two albums > together, you essentially have the full concert as performed in that > year. Let's move onto the album voted at number seven. That album is > `What a Blast', and this is `Silver Siren'... > TANGERINE DREAM: WHAT A BLAST! Track 2: Silver Siren > You're listening to Astral Voyager with me, Roger Hartopp, here on > Radio Rak, broadcasting on 100.5FM in the Krakow area of Poland, and > on the World Wide Web. Now let's concentrate on the Top six, as these > six were streets ahead of the rest of the field, clearly showing that > there is definite consensus as regards the band's best albums. During > the first half of the 1990's, most fans were agreeing that a large > majority of the band's output was somewhat average. In the meantime, > Jerome, who is actually quite keen on dance music and even deejays on > occasions as TDJ Rome, decided that maybe the band's music could do > with the remix treatment. There had been many approaches in the past > from various artists and producers to remix Tangerine Dream material > – to date, there's only been one example of a track being authorised > for remixing by the band, and they were less than happy with it – but > if a track is going to be remixed, as far as the band is concerned, > they're going to do it so it remains a Tangerine Dream product. And > the results were previously dull average tracks suddenly given an > incredible new lease of life, along with some outstanding new > material. It would be a style that would occasionally carry through > to their normal output as well. What started this was `The Dream > Mixes'. And this was voted at number six... > TANGERINE DREAM: THE DREAM MIXES Disc 1 Track 5: Virtually Fields > (6.50) > Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS > VOLUME 1 Track 3 > From the TDI version of `The Dream Mixes' – there were in fact two > versions, a single and a double CD release - that was `Virtually > Fields', voted in at number six. > Despite the fact that 45 people casted votes in this poll, the albums > placed at numbers five, four and three literally only had one point > between them. It really was that close. This album received a total > of 63 points, the album at four getting 63.5 and the number three 64. > As a result of the positive response metered out to `Dream Mixes' – > particularly after it was re-issued as a double CD with extra tracks > – Jerome Froese, the instigator of the original project, decided to > embark on the same exercise, although this time remixing just two > tracks and the rest being new material. The result of this was > `Timesquare' – Dream Mixes two' – and this is `Pixel Pirates'... > TANGERINE DREAM: TIMESQUARE Track 5: Pixel Pirates (6.55) > Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS > VOLUME 1 Track 4 > There was really nothing in it between the two Dream Mixes albums as > far as your votes went. Originally made available on the 1997 tour in > the UK, that was Timesquare – Dream Mixes two, and `Pixel Pirates'. > Incidentally, `Dream Mixes 3' should be available next month, and I > hope to play tracks on Astral Voyager when it comes back in a few > weeks. > And shading it literally by half a point, the album voted at number > four is interesting in the sense that for many it was the album that > marked the renaissance of this particular version of Tangerine Dream > as regards their usual studio output, as opposed to say, `The Dream > Mixes'. It was the last to feature Linda Spa, the band's sax, horn > and occasional keyboard player - and former model, which was enough > to keep a lot of male fans happy even though in their view the music > was a bit ordinary. Even though she's photographed on the back and in > the inner sleeve notes, she only features on the last two tracks on > the album, co-composing one of them. It was interesting to note that > on the subsequent version released in Australia, all photographs of > her were removed, as was the one track she was credited as co- > composer, which to me indicates it may have been a less than happy > split. The album we're talking about is `Goblins' Club', a title > inspired by a plane journey and looking out of the window at the > ground below – and this is interestingly titled `Lamb with Radar > Eyes'... > TANGERINE DREAM: GOBLIN'S CLUB Track 6: Lamb with Radar Eyes (8.42) > Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS > VOLUME 1 Track 5 > From their 1996 studio album, the last to be recorded on a separate > label before the band started to release albums on their own – that > was `Goblins' Club', and the wonderfully titled `Lamb with Radar > Eyes'... > You're listening to Astral Voyager with me, Roger Hartopp, here on > Radio Rak, broadcasting on 100.5FM in the Krakow area of Poland, and > on the World Wide Web. Number three – which itself only beat > `Goblin's Club' by a half point - was a little bit surprising, > bearing in mind much criticism was made at the time as regards the > band's guest guitarist as being too dominant on the tracks he plays. > But having said that, there are plenty of fine tracks on `220 Volt', > our number three album, and this one – not featuring the guitar of > Zlatko Pierca, the man in question - but one Jerome Froese. From 220 > Volt, this is `Backstreet Hero'... > TANGERINE DREAM: 220 VOLT Track 6: Backstreet Hero (8.49) > Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS > VOLUME 1 Track 7 > A live album recorded on their North American tour back in 1992, that > was `220 Volt' and `Backstreet Hero', voted in at number 3 as regards > the best albums recorded by Edgar & Jerome Froese. Although it polled > more votes than Goblins' Club, it was the only instance in the chart > where it actually had less votes cast than the album beneath it – > that is, 21 people cast votes for 220 Volt, while 22 cast votes for > Goblins' Club. But 220 Volt beat Goblins' Club by half a point. > The number two I have to say is a little bit of a surprise, although > I myself gave it a point when I was making my selection, but even > though it's a video soundtrack album to natural wonders to be found > in the American Southwest, it's a very fine studio album in its own > right, and I think it did quite well because it was released during a > period when, well let's say the band's output was less than inspiring > and was starting to lean too heavily towards the guitar. With no > guitars at all, the number two album is `Oasis', and this is `Summer > Storm'... > TANGERINE DREAM: OASIS Track 7: Summer Storm (6.06) > Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS > VOLUME 1 Track 9 > From the video soundtrack `Oasis', which finished at a very credible > number two, and that was `Summer Storm'. I assume this tape is also > on sale in the United States, but it is a little more difficult to > get hold of in Europe, particularly because there are very few copies > available in the PAL TV format. But I do know that these formats can > be got hold of across the Atlantic. One assumes, if not already, that > it will be available as a DVD. > And now here's the top Ten Tangerine Dream albums voted by you, the > fans – > At ten, from 1999, `Valentine Wheels', an album of classic Tangerine > Dream material recorded live in 1997; at nine, from last year, the > sedate `Seven Letters From Tibet'; at eight, another live album, the > second half of the set played during their concerts in 1997; > `Tournado'; At seven, a video soundtrack album from 1999, `What A > Blast'; at six, `The Dream Mixes' followed at number 5 by `Dream > Mixes two' – otherwise known as `Timesquare'... at number four, the > 1996 studio album `Goblins' Club', at three, the 1992 live album `220 > Volt', and at two, the other video soundtrack, `Oasis'. > The number one album should be of no surprise to all fans of the > band. Recorded two years ago as a kind of soundtrack to the ill-fated > Mars Polar Lander, for me this was an album that seems to have had > more thought and more time put into it, and some of the tracks here > are very clever indeed. Three quarters of those who voted included > this album in their top five, and it's by far the most popular album, > receiving a total of 117 points, as opposed to `Oasis', which > received 73 points. It's not the band's best album as regards their > history, but it stands out head and shoulders as regards their recent > output. From 1999 – it's Mars Polaris. > TANGERINE DREAM: MARS POLARIS Track 8: Astrophobia (9.57) > Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS > VOLUME 1 Track 11 > `Astrophobia', from the number one album `Mars Polaris' as voted for > by the fans and recorded by Edgar and Jerome Froese of Tangerine > Dream from 1991 to the present day. Thank you all very much for > listening to this special edition of Astral Voyager. My thanks to > Peter Karamon, my sound engineer, and thanks too to Joe Shoults for > allowing me to hijack his discussion group – and those 45 who voted > from the group - for the purposes of putting together the show. > `Astral Voyager' is now taking a five week break; we'll be back on > Friday the 18th of May, hopefully playing tracks from the new > Tangerine Dream album – `Dream Mixes 3'. Next week Dan Lehman will be > sitting in this spot with his own show; `Piwnica Rats', so join him > from 10pm to 11pm. `Music For The Night Bats', broadcast in English > and Polish, follows this programme. > You're listening to Radio Rak, broadcasting on 100.5FM in the Kraków > area of Poland, and on the World Wide Web. I'm Roger Hartopp – I'm > off to Shepherd's Bush in London – see you in five weeks. Goodnight. > > THIS PART NOT USED FOR BROADCAST: > > Thanks to the following who casted their votes: > > Sean A.; Colin Anderson; Frank Arellano; Bennett; Thomas Bertilsson; > Bob (pw098); Daniel (quarlie); Rolf Elfstrom; Utch Entel; Poul Erik; > Steven Feldman; David Foster; Greg (designx); J. Gordon; Roger > Hartopp; Heiko Heerssen; Daniel Hobrecht; Bert Hulshoff; James E. > Jacoby; Gary Jenkins; Colin Jouxson; Koulos Kostas; Paul Lawler; > Rimas Lazutka; Marion; Piotr S. Millenium; Sean Montgomery; Morgan; > Michal Moroz; Heiko Neumann; Dennis Nigbur; Antonio Nunes; Odym.; > James Owens; Peter Ravn; Eric Rochon; Olle Rundgren; Mathew Sawyer; > Joe Shoults; Lawry Simm; Brian Stewart; Matthew Stringer; Armin > Theissen; Uwe; Steve Yensen. > > So, the final results were: > > 1 Mars Polaris (117 points from 32 votes cast) > 2 Oasis (73/24) > 3 220 Volt (64/21) > 4 Goblins' Club (63.5/22) > 5 Timesquare – Dream Mixes 2 (63/20) > 6 The Dream Mixes (57/18) > 7 What A Blast! (41/12) > 8 Tournado (28/10) > 9 The Seven Letters From Tibet (27/9) > 10 Valentine Wheels (20/7) > 11 Tyranny of Beauty (18/7) > 12 Turn of the Tides (17.5/6) > 13 The Great Wall of China (15/7) > 14 Quinoa (14/6) > 15 Rockoon (13/4) > 16 Transsiberia (11/5) > 17 Ambient Monkeys (7/2) > 18 Hollywood Years Vol 1 (6/2) > =18 Zoning (6/2) > 20 Rumplestiltskin (5/2) > 21 Hollywood Years Vol 2 (0/0) > > A few notes: Those votes cast for a top four only were marked as 5, > 4, 3, 2; and Mat Sawyer's three Ed & Jez choices in his Top 5 has > been awarded 5, 4 & 3. Those who gave their Top Fives `in no > particular order' were all given an even three points each. > So no-one, absolutely no-one has a fondness for Hollywood Years Vol > 2. I'm surprised Zoning is placed so low because it really isn't a > bad album at all. Even Ambient Monkeys has two fans out there. The > rest are probably as expected, but the closeness of the albums at 3, > 4 & 5 is surprising, and I think a lot of us will be surprised at the > popularity of 220 Volt. > So, what do you all think? Comments, anyone? > Okay – hope you enjoyed the show (if only recreating it in the > mind)... > > Roger Hartopp > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 8:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio transcript hey, roger... that was great... it was like i was there in my mind... with all the music and everything... i wonder how you chose the tracks you chose to play on the show... first, because, without an exception, you chose tracks that i wouldn't have chosen... =), and second, your choices provided and interesting cross section of those sampled albums... just curious, and thanks again for the transcription... it was great... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 12:46 pm Subject: coverart Hi- Can anyone can help Tomas with this question? Thanks, Joe -----Original Message----- From: Totta Rydqvist [tomas.rydqvist@g...] To: tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com Sent: 4/8/01 5:56 PM Subject: Hi Hi Im looking for a site that contains coverart made by fans to fantapes and cdr's Do you know if there is such site ?? Looking forward to hear from you Tomas From: 'Keith Richie' Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 3:49 am Subject: Back on the list after 2 years Man, it's great to be back. I feel like I've been in a black hole for the past two years since I have not been on the list I was krichie@n..., but lost that account when a good friend passed away. I have so many TD CDs that I need to catch up on to be able to discuss things intelligently so give me time. Anyways, check out my site sometime if you guys get a chance. Take Care Keith Richie keithrichie@h... http://www.mp3.com/KeithRichie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Ronald Clercx' Date: Sun Apr 8, 2001 12:48 pm Subject: Backcover The Keep 1997 Hey everybody I got my hands on a copy of The Keep 1997 lim. edition. The only thing that is missing is a decent copy of the ORIGINAL backcover. Can anybody scan it in an send it as a JPEG to Ronald.Clercx@y... or give me a link where I can download the ORIGINAL backcover. I already tried several CD cover search sites, without any hits, so please be specific if you know a link. Many thanks Ronald From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 10:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watchers Thanks a lot to all , who , like Winnie the Pooh ,are enthousiasts about Dream Watchers Tales works(D-sign&Music).For me,it was an happy & constructiv moment (special mention to YANNICK for the Finalised-Organisation & Konzept ). I am totally agree for a D.W.T. 2 ....But , perhaps ? , more extended , for ex: one cd atmo-amb-sequenced-climax and the second more rythmic-soli-melodic&electro ? It's just an exemple , if you have suggestions , you are welcome . More infos about my productions ( olds & news & futures ) coming soon (off list ) by another member-site. Analogically your , Doktor STRANGE/Erick. From: 'tei waz' Date: Sun Apr 8, 2001 8:19 am Subject: re: blue room producer.... Oops, guess it would help if I told you the Blue Room third player's name--John Baxter. --tei sp Blue Room _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 12:12 am Subject: RE: [tadream] The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio tra nscript They talked about going to a newer RealAudio or something. I highly suggested Shoutcast due to its ease of setup and considerably higher quality than RealAudio (and less demand on the server) in the same amount of bandwidth. The fact that it's free doesn't hurt. I never heard anything back from them. I think Roger said that a webcast wouldn't happen. -Morgan >From: Joe Shoults >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Subject: RE: [tadream] The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio tra >nscript >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:06:28 -0400 > >excellent! What is your URL for the radio shows? I know I tried to go >there a long time ago, but the site wouldn't load, despite me being on a T1 >line. If you've fixed it, post the link here for everybody and I'll add it >to the tadream.net site. > >Joe > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...] > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:47 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio > > transcript > > > > > > Here is the transcript ... > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 6:26 pm Subject: Hotmail Slowness Folks, Is it normal for Hotmail to delay posts to the list for 3 days? I have another e-mail account, but I was pretty used to having Hotmail catch my tadream stuff. I'll set a set to move to my new e-mail. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26707 Re: Hotmail Slowness Joe Shoults Tue 4/10/2001 3 KB From: 'Scott' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 8:07 pm Subject: FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) Go to www.wintaper.com and download Wintaper. It's a great program for catalogging fan tapes, but also contains a program for creating tape & CD inserts that is so easy, yet makes such wonderful inserts, that it out to cost much more. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Totta Rydqvist To: tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 08, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: Hi >Hi > >Im looking for a site that contains coverart made by fans to fantapes >and cdr's >Do you know if there is such site ?? > >Looking forward to hear from you > >Tomas > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26702 Re: FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) Totta Rydqvist Mon 4/9/2001 3 KB 26704 Re: FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) Feldon Feldon Mon 4/9/2001 3 KB 26705 Re: FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) Totta Rydqvist Mon 4/9/2001 4 KB 26845 searching for a member j.gordon Tue 5/1/2001 2 KB 26846 searching for a memebe j.gordon Tue 5/1/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 6:05 am Subject: Miracle Mile showing on FLIX For anyone having trouble finding Miracle Mile for rent on video, it has just gone into rotation on FLIX. Of course, if I had a TiVo, I'd have a recording of it now! (I would have tangerine dream as keywords on the Wishlist [which has more complete info than your cable or satellite provider] AND I would have put miracle mile specifically a few weeks ago when we discussed it) -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) HI Im not looking for a program that makes the labels, that i got , what im looking for is a site that contains alredy done covers, such as vic's Viritual fils amd so on. Thanks Totta Scott wrote: > Go to www.wintaper.com and download Wintaper. It's a great program for > catalogging fan tapes, but also contains a program for creating tape & CD > inserts that is so easy, yet makes such wonderful inserts, that it out to > cost much more. > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: Totta Rydqvist > To: tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 08, 2001 5:56 PM > Subject: Hi > > >Hi > > > >Im looking for a site that contains coverart made by fans to fantapes > >and cdr's > >Do you know if there is such site ?? > > > >Looking forward to hear from you > > > >Tomas > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 5:16 am Subject: The Keep on FilmFour Hi all, For those of us able to receive it, I have it on good authority that the rarely-screened 'The Keep' will be broadcast by FilmFour later this year in its correct aspect ratio of 2.35:1, complete, of course, with TD's mythical soundtrack. - Chris Owen 'I like to start the month with a postman.' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 9:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) Scott, thanks for the link but he needs the original artwork that goes with each bootleg and concert tape/CDR. -Morgan >From: 'Scott' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:07:25 -0400 > >Go to www.wintaper.com and download Wintaper. It's a great program for >catalogging fan tapes, but also contains a program for creating tape & CD >inserts that is so easy, yet makes such wonderful inserts, that it out to >cost much more. > >Scott > >-----Original Message----- >From: Totta Rydqvist >To: tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com >Date: Sunday, April 08, 2001 5:56 PM >Subject: Hi > > > >Hi > > > >Im looking for a site that contains coverart made by fans to fantapes > >and cdr's > >Do you know if there is such site ?? > > > >Looking forward to hear from you > > > >Tomas > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 9:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) Hi folks , again Just a note , if someone is interested we can trade covers, i got a huuge collecton. Just let me know Totta Feldon Feldon wrote: > Scott, thanks for the link but he needs the original artwork that goes with > each bootleg and concert tape/CDR. > > -Morgan > > >From: 'Scott' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [tadream] FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) > >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:07:25 -0400 > > > >Go to www.wintaper.com and download Wintaper. It's a great program for > >catalogging fan tapes, but also contains a program for creating tape & CD > >inserts that is so easy, yet makes such wonderful inserts, that it out to > >cost much more. > > > >Scott > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Totta Rydqvist > >To: tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com > >Date: Sunday, April 08, 2001 5:56 PM > >Subject: Hi > > > > > > >Hi > > > > > >Im looking for a site that contains coverart made by fans to fantapes > > >and cdr's > > >Do you know if there is such site ?? > > > > > >Looking forward to hear from you > > > > > >Tomas > > > > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ > >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > >Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 12:19 am Subject: D:Solo [EF - Epsilon] Hello everyone, Morgan has said only he reviewed Eddy's Epsilon in Malaysian Pale, his second solo album, released in 75 after Aqua (74). I don't know if I posted anything about EIMP, but I really have nothing to say about it except that it's one of the BEST electronic albums EVER. It's like a Mellotron heaven. It's almost 40 minutes of (Mysterious Semblance + Rubycon sequences)˛. Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 12:27 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Hotmail Slowness if you switch to a new e-mail address, there might be a delay, as I've got the list on 'bew subber moderation' until I, Joel or Scott upgrade the user to regular post status. how's it oging, BTW? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 2:27 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Hotmail Slowness > > > Folks, > > Is it normal for Hotmail to delay posts to the list for 3 > days? I have > another e-mail account, but I was pretty used to having > Hotmail catch my > tadream stuff. I'll set a set to move to my new e-mail. > > -Morgan > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 2:24 am Subject: Shepherds Bush - Ad in Classic Rock Magazine Hey there all, just wanted to make a mention of the TD gig that is repeatedly mentioned in the Classic Rock Magazine ads. I've seen it three months running now, and although it does me no good (cuz I live in the States, maybe one day I'll make the trip over there if I can convince my wife it's really worth it for a concert), but it's just great seeing ads likes that, and for Spocks Beard, Marillion, and others just like it. I'm definately impressed. I've also seen a ton of ads in there in the past for other bands that get NO publicity/popularity/advertising or promo at all here in the states, and just wanted to let ya blokes know overseas how friggin' lucky you are. I'd about croak if I ever heard TD anywhere remotely mentioned here in the States. Where I Live? If it isn't having anything to do with the Crapstreet Boys, or HitMe Spears, they don't play it. Dan P.S. Just curious obviously someone will be taping/DAT/mini discing the show? 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 9:03 am Subject: Fantape/CDR cover art Shouldn't this discussion better move to the unmoderated list ? Anyway, here are my two cents: When CDRs started to replace cassette tapes as the media of choice to distribute concert recordings, it also became a custom to title the releases and make nice picture covers. This was very, very rare in the times of MCs. Although the 'title-mania' certainly adds to the confusion about what releases are out there, the whole thing in general is an unexpected, but very nice development. Unfortunately, there are bozos out there. In the times of the MC, those were the guys who'd copy you a great radio recording high-speed onto the cheapest ferro tape with a $50 dual tape deck. CDR technology deprives them (mostly) of chances to fuck up the music, so they trade you CDRs with fax quality copies of the covers, usually incomplete as well. There are two major conclusions to draw from this, the first one is pretty simple: don't trade with bozos more than once. The second one is less obvious: whenever possible, get the stuff from the person who originally made them. Doesn't make as much difference in sound quality as in the old days, but in terms of cover quality, it does. Also, it's a way of appreciating the work done for digitizing (even more so for cleaning up the sound) and cover design, by giving the originator the chance for a few trades. The last one is just a remark to shed some light on the fact why you'll very,very rarely (I don't remember a single time) find the original 'producer' to offer his original cover to someone who traded with a bozo down the line. By the way, as nice as they look, I am strickly against stick-on labels on CDRs. Some of these papers will warp the CDR when humidity conditions change and can make it unplayable even at 1x speed. Put on even slightly off-center will make the CDR a bitch to run in high-speed drives. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26710 Re: Fantape/CDR cover art Totta Rydqvist Tue 4/10/2001 4 KB 26711 Re: Fantape/CDR cover art Joe Shoults Tue 4/10/2001 3 KB From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 12:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fantape/CDR cover art Hi This wasnt supose to be a discussion, i was simply asking if someone got a url for the covers, and i under stand that it will be hard to find the persons that mada the covers and finaly i dont care how you want your cd's, i want the cover and not empty jewelcases. Totta Klaus Beschorner wrote: > Shouldn't this discussion better move to the unmoderated list ? > > Anyway, here are my two cents: > > When CDRs started to replace cassette tapes as the media of choice > to distribute concert recordings, it also became a custom to title > the releases and make nice picture covers. This was very, very > rare in the times of MCs. > > Although the 'title-mania' certainly adds to the confusion about > what releases are out there, the whole thing in general is an > unexpected, but very nice development. > > Unfortunately, there are bozos out there. In the times of the > MC, those were the guys who'd copy you a great radio recording > high-speed onto the cheapest ferro tape with a $50 dual tape > deck. CDR technology deprives them (mostly) of chances to > fuck up the music, so they trade you CDRs with fax quality > copies of the covers, usually incomplete as well. > > There are two major conclusions to draw from this, the > first one is pretty simple: don't trade with bozos more than > once. > > The second one is less obvious: whenever possible, > get the stuff from the person who originally made them. > Doesn't make as much difference in sound quality as in > the old days, but in terms of cover quality, it does. > > Also, it's a way of appreciating the work done for > digitizing (even more so for cleaning up the sound) > and cover design, by giving the originator the chance > for a few trades. > > The last one is just a remark to shed some light on > the fact why you'll very,very rarely (I don't remember > a single time) find the original 'producer' to offer > his original cover to someone who traded with a > bozo down the line. > > By the way, as nice as they look, I am strickly against > stick-on labels on CDRs. Some of these papers will warp > the CDR when humidity conditions change and can make it > unplayable even at 1x speed. Put on even slightly off-center > will make the CDR a bitch to run in high-speed drives. > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 2:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Fantape/CDR cover art We only ask that you do not *conduct or solicit trades* on-list for boots. Discussing boots is perfectly ok! In fact, we were recently debating whether to discuss Boots or Solos in a weekly discussion series. Solo albums sorta won, but nobody is picking up the reins to set up a schedule for discussion like Lawry did so well for the Album discussion series. But that certainly doesn't mean you can't post a review of a boot any time you want! Just properly name the subject as: D:Studio[album_name] D:Solo[solo_album_name] D:Boot[boot_name] For boots, sometimes they have a different 'name' for the same concert. I suppose it would be fine to put the 'name' in there, like D:Boot[coefficient of aural expansion] as opposed to something like D:Boot[02/04/75](coefficient of aural expansion) or D:Boot[coefficient] BTW: Steve's got them all listed here: http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/mytd.htm Joe > -----Original Message----- > Subject: [tadream] Fantape/CDR cover art > Shouldn't this discussion better move to the unmoderated list ? From: Felna Greymane Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 3:39 pm Subject: CDR covers I also have been trying to maintain a collection of covers (from back when Joe had the FTP site up). Just email me with what your looking for and I'll see if I can find it....I have over 200 discs artwork. Jeff Stevenson greymane@k... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 8:20 pm Subject: Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' Hi, I got an email response on my webpage recently. Somebody asked me for a track which I could not spot on any official release but only as the first encore on the boot 'Sonamulistic Imagery'. But maybe somebody of you knows more and can help out! The author of the following email has agreed that I post her request to this list, so you may answer her directly. If you feel uncomfortable with this, send your email to me and I forward it. cheers armin From: Anndel401@a... Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:44:45 EDT Subject: Legend Soundtrack To: ath@s... Content-Disposition: Inline Hello, I was very happy to find your web page as I have been interested for some time in a track from the Legend soundtrack. Actually, the specific piece of music is a very short bit that comes at the very end of 'Loved by the Sun.' The piece I am interested in comes after the 'Luna' character says, 'Sweet songs of youth, the wise, the meeting of all wisdom; to believe in the good in man.' After this, there is the prettiest bit of music that is played throughout the movie, but only a short bit on the soundtrack. Long story short; any chance you know where I can get the full piece of music on cassette or cd? Sincerely, Ann and just to proove that she really agrees on me posting this: Dear Armin, thank you so much for getting back to me and taking all that time and effort to help me. It's such a sweet tune that it's a shame to not be able to hear all of it. I will be looking for that bootleg copy and yes, please forward my request. Sincerely, Ann DelConte Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26714 Re: Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' Michael V Miller Tue 4/10/2001 2 KB 26722 Re: Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' Phil Wingfield Wed 4/11/2001 4 KB 26736 Re: Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' tei waz Fri 4/13/2001 2 KB From: Michael V Miller Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 8:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' I too loved that little bit. I would like to know where I could find it. Mike 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 9:45 pm Subject: homepage update new swaplist, some news on the concert list, a new rarity of the month have fun cheers, klaus http://www.caby.de/Music From: 'Carlo' Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 1:59 am Subject: Still list members? Hi there, Just wondering if Gabe Yedid is still a member of either list. If you (Gabe) are seeing this message, please contact me on my new email addess - I have something you've been waiting for: cruggiero@m... Also, hoping Fred Y is still talking to me. Fred, I sent you an email a week and haven't received a reply. Hoping you will write back soon. Sorry for resorting to this, Carlo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26717 Re: Still list members? gyedid@p... Wed 4/11/2001 2 KB From: gyedid@p... Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 3:44 am Subject: Re: Still list members? Hello Carlo, Yes I am still on the list, albeit in deep lurk mode. Please send me your full address at gyedid01@y... (@m... must work well as an anti-spamming strategy) Something I've been waiting for? I think I've clean forgotten what it is! Gabe From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 2:55 pm Subject: D:[Bootlegs] Croydon Fairfield Hall October 23, 1975 At this moment I'm working (err...;-) in my office and listen to the Croydon Fairfield Hall 23.10.1975 audience recording. This is 63 minutes of sheer brilliance and I remember that some years ago Edgar Froese said in an interview that on that evening they played like they were in trance. As much as I like bands like Redshift, AirSculpture, Arcane etc. I now realize what a huge and influential group TD was in the 70's... nothing really comes close to albums like Ricochet (the 2nd track on Croydon was the main source for 'Ricochet Part 2' and it's nice to hear the original music), Rubycon or Phaedra. Over the last 2 years I have mostly been listening to unreleased Tangerine Dream material, and if I would have to come up with a Top 10 list this will ALWAYS be my Number 1 (followed by a few concerts from 1976 which I think was the golden year of TD playing improvised live music) Unfortunately my English isn't good enough to describe the music of the Croydon concert, but then again no words can describe the beauty and power of this music :-) Sometimes it's so intense that it leaves me speechless...if TD would have released the whole concert as a double album it would still have the same power and quality of 'Ricochet'. The most incredible moment for me is the encore (11 minutes)..I would gladly give away my entire Jarre & Schulze collection just to be able to listen to this piece of music. If you listen to Christopher Franke's recent output it's hard to believe that this man was capable of playing such brilliant improvised sequencer melodies. My regards go to Chris (who is also a Tadream list member) for taping the Croydon concert (& many other beautiful concerts from the mid 70's) Heiko From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 3:13 pm Subject: OT - Heads-up - Porcupine Tree to precede TD at Shepherds Bush o n May 11 For those of you attending the SBE show, note that a group named Porcupine Tree - excellent Prog Rock - will be playing SBE the night before TD. If you're already making the trip, it's very much worth going the extra day early! Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26721 Re: OT - Heads-up - Porcupine Tree to precede TD Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chal Wed 4/11/2001 2 KB 26723 Re: OT - Heads-up - Porcupine Tree to precede TD Phil Wingfield Wed 4/11/2001 3 KB From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 5:03 pm Subject: RE:beautiful song from legend that the soundtrack misses Hey Magic Lovers, I also had this mad desire to find this song, mainly from the taste I got at the 86 Albuquerque concert, I totally blissed/chilled out. from memory I beleive its on: an Electrobeats show with Jerome the Electronic Orgy boot has two different cuts the 86 US tour boots Are there more? I remember writing the td home page begging for a release. If you have problems finding some of the above I might be able to help. Good Luck, Steve *********************************************************** Dear Armin, thank you so much for getting back to me and taking all that time and effort to help me. It's such a sweet tune that it's a shame to not be able to hear all of it. I will be looking for that bootleg copy and yes, please forward my request. Sincerely, Ann DelConte Message: 6 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:37:29 -0400 From: Michael V Miller Subject: Re: Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' I too loved that little bit. I would like to know where I could find it. Mike 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Heads-up - Porcupine Tree to precede TD at Shepherds Bush o n May 11 Joe Shoults said: > For those of you attending the SBE show, note that a group named Porcupine > Tree - excellent Prog Rock - will be playing SBE the night before TD. If > you're already making the trip, it's very much worth going the extra day > early! I concur! This is an excellent band, and well worth seeing live. Very Pink Floyd-y. This is a killer double-bill, I envy anyone seeing this. In fact, I am now going to have to investigate going... -- Face down in the lap of luxury, and nowhere to GO but DOWN... :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 8:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' Whoa, I know this one. I asked the very same question and someone on this list pointed me at a website and I downloaded it. I hope they can point the site out again as I quite forget where it was. I have the track and I could write it to CD I think, if all else fails. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: Armin Theissen To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: [tadream] Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' > > Hi, > > I got an email response on my webpage recently. Somebody asked > me for a track which I could not spot on any official release > but only as the first encore on the boot 'Sonamulistic Imagery'. > But maybe somebody of you knows more and can help out! > > The author of the following email has agreed that I post her > request to this list, so you may answer her directly. If you > feel uncomfortable with this, send your email to me and I > forward it. > > cheers > > armin > > From: Anndel401@a... > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:44:45 EDT > Subject: Legend Soundtrack > To: ath@s... > Content-Disposition: Inline > > Hello, > I was very happy to find your web page as I have been interested for > some > time in a track from the Legend soundtrack. Actually, the specific > piece of > music is a very short bit that comes at the very end of 'Loved by the > Sun.' > The piece I am interested in comes after the 'Luna' character says, > 'Sweet > songs of youth, the wise, the meeting of all wisdom; to believe in the > good > in man.' After this, there is the prettiest bit of music that is > played > throughout the movie, but only a short bit on the soundtrack. Long > story > short; any chance you know where I can get the full piece of music on > cassette or cd? > Sincerely, > Ann > > > and just to proove that she really agrees on me posting this: > > Dear Armin, > thank you so much for getting back to me and taking all that time and > effort > to help me. It's such a sweet tune that it's a shame to not be able > to hear > all of it. I will be looking for that bootleg copy and yes, please > forward > my request. > Sincerely, > Ann DelConte > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 8:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Heads-up - Porcupine Tree to precede TD at Shepherds Bush o n May 11 Superb band, I second that motion. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Shoults To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:13 PM Subject: [tadream] OT - Heads-up - Porcupine Tree to precede TD at Shepherds Bush o n May 11 > For those of you attending the SBE show, note that a group named Porcupine > Tree - excellent Prog Rock - will be playing SBE the night before TD. If > you're already making the trip, it's very much worth going the extra day > early! > > Joe > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Thu Apr 12, 2001 6:36 am Subject: Re: The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio tra nscript --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > excellent! What is your URL for the radio shows? I know I tried to go > there a long time ago, but the site wouldn't load, despite me being on a T1 > line. If you've fixed it, post the link here for everybody and I'll add it > to the tadream.net site. > > Joe Hi everyone. Sorry to take so long to reply (it takes three days for digests to reach me), so to answer a few points: Being rather ignorant regards how things work, the thing can be found on: http://rak.uci.agh.edu.pl/raudio.html But although I was told there would be an upgrade on RealAudio3, this has yet to happen. I have written messages and asked personally the director of the station to upgrade, but with little effect. Anyway, I'm not on the air now for five weeks; I'm taking a break, aand then making my way over to the UK at the end of the month. Incidentally, I will have a temporary e-mail address there, which I will post hopefully later today. Incidentally, the show is back on the air on May 18th. How did I come to choose the tracks? I really wanted to avoid the obvious ones (Towards the Evening Star, Waterborne, Timesquare, Comet's Figure Head, etc. as I think folks would have liked to hear something else from these albums. But I hope I still chose good tracks. But now I will retire from chart compilations, so if anyone else wants to give it a go... it's all yours. I'm looking forward to being a normal, and regular, list member. Roger From: michael.hartopp@t... Date: Thu Apr 12, 2001 6:52 am Subject: A test from Roger Hello everyone again, This is just a test to see if my temporary e-mail address in the UK works. For the time being, I can still be found at gmroger@p... but from April 28 to May 11 this will be my e-mail address. Roger From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 12:54 am Subject: OT- Taping off a computer Hi, Anybody here know how I can hook my computer to my stereo so as record from LP and cassette to internal CD-R, and from DVD-ROM to videotape? I have a Gateway PC with a DVD-ROM, CD-R burner, and a CD-RW. I want to transfer my Nightcrawlers tapes to CD, and want to copy a few VCDs to videotape (and if I could copy a few DVDs to videotape, that would be nice, too). And for that matter, how would I go about burning a VCD from a videotape??? PLEASE REPLY O F F L I S T -- not here. -- Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Thu Apr 12, 2001 1:46 pm Subject: TD Web site Hello there, Is it just me, or has the TD site been down for over a week now? Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26729 Re: TD Web site Feldon Feldon Thu 4/12/2001 2 KB 26730 Re: TD Web site Joe Shoults Thu 4/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Apr 12, 2001 3:29 pm Subject: Hollywood Years sources (from the TD FAQ) Hi all, A few days back someone asked about the source of the Hollywood Years tracks. I remember now that the info was included in the TD FAQ http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdfaq.htm (maintained by Steve Jenkins), so I pulled it down to repost here: 29) Subject: Where did the tracks on Hollywood Years 1 and 2 originate from ? Hollywood Years 1 and 2 were released in 1998, with no indication from the band as to which Films or OSTs the music came from. The members of the Tadream list have attempted to guess where the music originates and this is detailed below. It does not have any *official* validity, and you may agree or disagree with the information. Hollywood Years Vol. 1: #3: 'Goldhunter' contains the Swamp-Hag theme from LEGEND, though highly Tangentized. The Tangentizing is actually borrowed from the Dream Dice bonus disk track 3: 'craving for cardomon' #4: 'Law Paradiso' is actually 'One Fine Day in Siberia' from Edgar Froese's _Beyond The Storm_. #5: 'La petite rue noir'--rather Near Dark-ish #6: 'Propeller Beach'--The Park Is Mine #7: 'Autumn In Sonoma'-- Is this a snippet of the Sountrack for Skyscrapers maybe? #8: 'Chamber of Hope'--might be a Man Inside leftover #9: 'The Quiet Gambler'--similar to one of the Zoning tracks... #10:'The Principle Source'--sounds rather 85-86ish, circa Le Parc. #11: 'Labeo' definitely sounds like it would have been a leftover from _Thief_: nice long sequencer track, dark mood, etc. #12: 'Escape from Shadowland'--Makes me think it was a rejected early version of 'Mothers of Rain'. #13: 'Chronos Mile--believe it or not, it seems to me it's actually structured rather like the '80s renditions of 'Silver Scale' Hollywood Years Vol. 2: #1: 'South Camora' is actually Walkabout from Edgar Froese's _Pinnacles_. It is also similar to a track from Logostypes (boot), as well as #8: 'Sign in the Dark' from _The Keep_ special edition (TDI). #2 Similar to Heartbreakers #3: 'Midas Touch' is similar to 'Dolphin Dance' (UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT) and 'Investigation' (from THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack; check the track at the 1:19 mark and the 2:18 mark). Also some resemblence to Canyon Dreams. #4: 'City Monk' is the exact same track as 'Ulan Ude' (Transsiberia, #7). Similar sounds to Shy People/Deadly Care #5: Similar to _Rockoon_. #6: 'Cool Ma Bell' sounds incredibly close to 'The Fight is On' from _3 O'CLOCK HIGH_, but that song is credited to Sylvester Levay (though that might be a misprint...). Also similar to_Near Dark_. #7 Similar to Heartbreakers #8 Similar to Firestarter / Red Nights #9: 'Token from Birdland' also appears on _Ambient Monkeys_ . #11 Similar to Canyon Dreams/Shy People #12 Similar to 220 Volt #13: 'Riding the Lizard Overland' is from the soundtrack of Red Heat (unreleased). It also sounds a lot like 'Tiergarten' from _Le Parc_ Hope this helps. James From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Apr 12, 2001 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Web site I have had no problem connecting in the last few days. (Just tested it now too). -Morgan >From: glynn_naughton@h... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] TD Web site >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:46:20 -0000 > >Hello there, > >Is it just me, or has the TD site been down for over a week now? > >Glynn _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Apr 12, 2001 5:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD Web site just you > -----Original Message----- > From: glynn_naughton@h... [mailto:glynn_naughton@h...] > Is it just me, or has the TD site been down for over a week now? > > Glynn > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Apr 12, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Dry Spell Project If you *DO* have pretty much every original TD CD, but *DO NOT* have many (or any) concert recordings of theirs, please e-mail me. If you've already e-mailed me about this project a few weeks back, I've already got you on the list. Looks like I'll be able to make something actually happen pretty soon. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Victor Rek Date: Fri Apr 13, 2001 2:50 am Subject: Okefenokee 2001 - Starting up next week! Well, I'm very exciting along with 15 other fans/participants about the upcoming Okefenokee 2001 gathering! We'll be heading down on April 20th. I think the Air Sculpture folks are getting packed as I write this e-mail. And Marcel, I'll be at the airport on Wednesday - please bring some of your new Free System Projekt CDs plus maybe a few extra Oke-2000 CDs? :-) Anyway, expect to hear some interesting stories when we get back. Roger already has a few surprises prepared. It looks like we are having a wetter year this year so we should see deeper water in the swamp which means more to explore. And I'm looking forward to the electronic swamp music (and maybe even Jan?). Also, Edgar and Jerome - there is a spot reserved for you just in case :-) Vic From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Fri Apr 13, 2001 6:23 pm Subject: Easter wishes Happy Easter for all Tangerine Dream Fan`s. Watch out for my first Auction 2001 on: www.opticaldream.de from 22.04. to 06.05.2001 Dream on Heiko from Burg/Germany www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26737 Re: Easter wishes E Neal Frost Fri 4/13/2001 3 KB From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Fri Apr 13, 2001 9:34 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Easter wishes ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:23 PM Subject: [tadream] Easter wishes > Happy Easter for all Tangerine Dream Fan`s. > > Watch out for my first Auction 2001 on: www.opticaldream.de > from 22.04. to 06.05.2001 > > Dream on > Heiko from Burg/Germany > www.opticaldream.de > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26735 Sv: [tadream] Easter wishes Poul Erik Fri 4/13/2001 3 KB From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Fri Apr 13, 2001 9:36 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Easter wishes Ooooooooops, previous one had to be a reply :o) Well, happy easter to you to Heiko :o) Cheers from Poul > Happy Easter for all Tangerine Dream Fan`s. > > Watch out for my first Auction 2001 on: www.opticaldream.de > from 22.04. to 06.05.2001 > > Dream on > Heiko from Burg/Germany > www.opticaldream.de > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Apr 12, 2001 6:58 pm Subject: Re: Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' Re: Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' >Whoa, I know this one. I asked the very same question and someone on this list pointed me at a website and I downloaded it. I hope they can point the site out again as I quite forget where it was< I pointed it out and it's down now--I just checked. He's got material's hallucination engine and steve reich's drumming up there now. --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri Apr 13, 2001 11:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Easter wishes Happy Easter Wishes to all.... From me as well. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Poul Erik' To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:36 PM Subject: Sv: [tadream] Easter wishes > Ooooooooops, previous one had to be a reply :o) > > Well, happy easter to you to Heiko :o) > > Cheers from > Poul > > > Happy Easter for all Tangerine Dream Fan`s. > > > > Watch out for my first Auction 2001 on: www.opticaldream.de > > from 22.04. to 06.05.2001 > > > > Dream on > > Heiko from Burg/Germany > > www.opticaldream.de > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri Apr 13, 2001 11:33 pm Subject: James Owens Hello James, Received the package today at work. Am hoping I will get a chance to listed to the Dreamwatcher's Tales this weekend sometime. Will let you know, and review it to the list when I do. Have a great Easter! Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri Apr 13, 2001 11:34 pm Subject: Well Crap! Sorry Guys, Typed James Owens in the wrong line. Obviously that was supposed to be off list. Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Apr 14, 2001 8:27 am Subject: Easter Wishes Happy Easter to all try not to consume too many eggs. Beginning to count those days down only 4 weeks to go. A good easter for me so far won two e bay auctions for Zoo of Tranquillity 98 and Klemania at a bargain price anybody got any views on these two?, just got White Out 2000 which is excellent. Cheers Gary From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Apr 14, 2001 10:14 pm Subject: oo-er! I'm not sure quite what Edgar would have to say about the use of TD's name on this e-bay auction item!! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1134563682 (Please don't view if offended by mild nudity!) - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26743 Re: oo-er! John Marchington Sun 4/15/2001 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Apr 14, 2001 5:58 pm Subject: D:Tribute [Dreamwatchers' Tales] Hello everyone! I only wanted to say that I've played DT one or two times, and I liked the music in there very much. There was nice music, excellent music and even inspiring music in there. You really did a great work! I have only one complaint, about my contribution to the project, from which only the final minutes were used (not the best ones 'in my humble opinion' :), and also, the sound quality of the original wav file is better. It's originally 10 minutes long; I'll publish the original track somewhere, sometime in the near future. GJ np Jarre-Revolutions (not his best, but the title track and the Industrial Revolution tracks (overture-parts 1-2-3) are classics) Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sun Apr 15, 2001 6:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] oo-er! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Chris Owen' To: 'tadream Mailing List' Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: [tadream] oo-er! > > I'm not sure quite what Edgar would have to say about the use of TD's name on this e-bay auction item!! > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1134563682 > > (Please don't view if offended by mild nudity!) > > - Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun Apr 15, 2001 9:04 am Subject: Homepage update Hi all, my TD Fan Homepage was updated at 14.04.2001 please jump to: www.opticaldream.de NEWS: 4 new Chris Franke item`s in my collection can everyone tell me , the Tracklist for the : Chris Franke - Alchemy of love 4 track Single CD Version: Pioneer PIDA 1033 / Japan 1996 (4 Tracks) ? for picture of this look under: www.opticaldream.de/dream/Franke_Tracklist.htm#Aol1033 Regards heiko from burg/germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Sat Apr 14, 2001 6:55 pm Subject: NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work? Hey there all, sorry to bulk e-mail, BUT I've contacted yahoogroups help, with no response as of yet. Has anyone else had serious problems using the SEARCH function for yahoogroups? It's been down for THREE full days now, thus making you unable to locate and search for mailing lists. 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MTV News Online http://www.mtv.com/nav/intro_news.jhtml [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Christopher Lomas' Date: Sun Apr 15, 2001 11:29 pm Subject: Shepherds Bush Empire Ticket Apologies for coming out of lurk mode simply in an effort to sell something, but I've ended up with a spare ticket for Shepherds Bush on May 12th, so if anyone is interested, I'm selling it for Ł15. Please contact me off list or go to the Yahoo auctions site working link below, I hope!) Thanks all Chris Lomas http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/50990377 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Apr 13, 2001 10:03 pm Subject: paging doctor strange My apologies to the list for this anyone have Doctor Strange's email address? please send it to me or Doctor Strange email me. Thanks, --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: patricdonaghy@w... Date: Mon Apr 16, 2001 4:19 am Subject: CD For Sale Original promo sampler of Klaus Schulze's Contempoary Works box set released in early 2001.Asking $40.00 USA, which includes priority mail to USA addresses. f foreign addresses add $5.00. Will also consider trade. CD has 4 songs not on box set. From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Mon Apr 16, 2001 11:39 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] OT: Joey Ramone I'm sad to hear. Poul > MTV is reporting that Joey Ramone has died at age 49 from complications > due to lymphatic cancer. Time of death was reported as 2:40 p.m. ET > (USA) Sunday April 15. So far (7:00 p.m.), a search of CNN, BBC, > NYTimes, etc. comes up empty. > > > MTV News Online > http://www.mtv.com/nav/intro_news.jhtml > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Apr 16, 2001 2:31 pm Subject: OT : NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work? yes, everybody is. On the list managers list, the speculation (unconfirmed by the yahoo admins usually present) is that it is a temporary condition related to yahoo purging adult content from its search directories. > -----Original Message----- > From: winnie the pooh [mailto:winniethepoohfan1@m...] ... > yahoogroups help, with no response as of yet. Has anyone else > had serious problems using the SEARCH function for > yahoogroups? ... > Anyone else having this problem? > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Tom Richmond Date: Mon Apr 16, 2001 3:17 pm Subject: help! Hey guys: I haven't heard from anyone on this branch of the DT tree (except Rainer, who's still waiting...): Jerzy Kapala - Poland - jerzynka@i... Michael Kupczyk - Poland - quichotte@p... Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz - Poland - yavi@t... Rainer Rutka - Germany - rainer@k... If someone could fill me in as to the status of this branch, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Apr 16, 2001 6:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] wow. I have to personally almost totally disagree with this opinion of Goblins' Club. I love the album (all except for one song) But I always think it is fun to think the vocals on 'At Darwin's motel' are singing ...'Mark Shreeve, Mark Shreeve...' listen to it- you'll hear what I mean. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavfj@m...] ... > >From time to time, I consider playing Goblins' Club, because > I keep noticing that some people like it, so I'm still > looking for the good points of it. So far I think it's boring > and forgettable, but I remember I liked Towards the Evening From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Tue Apr 17, 2001 12:18 am Subject: Offer: Videos with TD soundtrack Hi all, Got the following videos available for trade: Used Laser Discs: Miracle Mile US LD (1 spare) 3 O' Clock High US LD (1 spare) Asian VCDs (about a couple spares for each of below): Decade (deleted with obi, various artist sampler with Canyon Voices and Treasure Of Innocent) Risky Business double VCD Firestarter double VCD Universal Soldier double VCD My wants (mostly for a good friend): Rare CDs (not CDRs) of TD 70s live Rare CDs (not CDRs) of Vangelis Soundtrack Music Klaus Schulze - Poland Dzjekuje Polish double LP TD - the 5 12' vinyl singles of DJRome/Dream Mixes III If interested please contact me off-list. Thanks. Jeffrey From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Tue Apr 17, 2001 12:22 am Subject: TD DVD - comparison of different regions? Hi again Any of you ever compare any possible differences between TD DVD releases from different region codes? I own 2 different Oasis DVDs (1 from Region 1 US and the other Region 3 Asia) and they get chapters arrangement slightly different, so I suppose maybe some extras among different pressings might exist. Just thought this might be a topic of interest. Jeffrey From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Apr 17, 2001 12:20 am Subject: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work? There website barely gets updated once a month (or so it seems), and they are laying off lots of people...That is the likely cause of your lack of response from them... > -----Original Message----- > From: winnie the pooh [mailto:winniethepoohfan1@m...] > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:56 PM > To: AirSupply; AORMafia; BonJoviList; BonJoviList2; ChristianRockMusic; > CinderellaList; Crackasmile; HarryChapinList; JourneyDigest; > MonkeesList; RickSpringfieldList; SammyHagarList; SaganFans; TeslaGroup; > TangerineDream; TaDreamList; SupertrampList > Subject: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work? > > > Hey there all, sorry to bulk e-mail, BUT I've contacted > yahoogroups help, with no response as of yet. Has anyone else had > serious problems using the SEARCH function for yahoogroups? It's > been down for THREE full days now, thus making you unable to > locate and search for mailing lists. > > Anyone else having this problem? > > dan > > > > Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! > http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com > http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com > Crackasmile, TeslaGroup, TheTradingCircle, ChristianRockMusic, > Found HERE! http://www.yahoogroups.com > AOL IM (kayleighsdad), MSN Messenger

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> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Apr 17, 2001 12:24 am Subject: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work? I would have paid a subscription fee for EGroups. But since Yahoo has trashed the service, I'm expecting it to go belly up. -Morgan >From: 'Michael A Jean' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work? >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:20:22 -0400 > >Their website barely gets updated once a month (or so it seems), and they >are laying off lots of people...That is the likely cause of your lack of >response from them... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Apr 17, 2001 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] Joe Shoults wrote: > > wow. I have to personally almost totally disagree with this opinion of > Goblins' Club. I love the album (all except for one song) I used to hate this album, but then I've find out that if I skip the first track (Towards the evening star) I like the rest of the CD. Sorry 'Towards the evening star' fans, but I can't stand those 'canned' vocals also used by Enigma, Terry Oldfield and a couple of mp3.com artists. For me, the version included in Timesquare (without vocals) is much better. > But I always think it is fun to think the vocals on 'At Darwin's motel' are > singing ...'Mark Shreeve, Mark Shreeve...' listen to it- you'll hear what I > mean. Now that you mention it, it really seems so :-) Antonio Nunes np: At Darwin's Motel From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Apr 17, 2001 3:57 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work ? an 'AirSupply' list actually exists??? sorry, I'm not making fun of AirSupply fans, just surprised... > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:56 PM > > To: AirSupply; AORMafia; BonJoviList; BonJoviList2; > ChristianRockMusic; > > CinderellaList; Crackasmile; HarryChapinList; JourneyDigest; > > MonkeesList; RickSpringfieldList; SammyHagarList; > SaganFans; TeslaGroup; Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26788 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yaho Miguel Farah F. Sat 4/21/2001 2 KB 26789 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yaho E Neal Frost Sat 4/21/2001 3 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Tue Apr 17, 2001 4:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] > > Joe Shoults wrote: > > > > wow. I have to personally almost totally disagree with this opinion of > > Goblins' Club. I love the album (all except for one song) I always liked the great trombone playing of Roul Miller and Dean Clarke , and the startling performance of the Royal Buckminster choir on 'At Darwins Motel' . The Vienna boys choir do a great job of imperonating a Korg M1 in Elf June , as does Pawel Nyrouda on harp and indeed all of the other 'musicians'? on the album . Oh that cheeky Eds humour . > > > > But I always think it is fun to think the vocals on 'At Darwin's motel' are > > singing ...'Mark Shreeve, Mark Shreeve...' listen to it- you'll hear what I > > mean. > I bet the hours fly on by ;) Paul From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Apr 17, 2001 4:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] Hahahaha. Bitter? Edgar trashed Elf June. If he'd handed sheet music to the boys and let them perform, it would have been pretty nice. Instead, it sounds like he used one sample. -Morgan >From: 'lawlermusic' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:00:34 +0100 > > > > > > Joe Shoults wrote: > > > > > > wow. I have to personally almost totally disagree with this opinion >of > > > Goblins' Club. I love the album (all except for one song) > > >I always liked the great trombone playing of Roul Miller and Dean Clarke , >and the startling performance of the Royal Buckminster choir on 'At Darwins >Motel' . >The Vienna boys choir do a great job of imperonating a Korg M1 in Elf June >, >as does Pawel Nyrouda on harp and indeed all of the other 'musicians'? on >the album . >Oh that cheeky Eds humour . > > > > > > > > But I always think it is fun to think the vocals on 'At Darwin's >motel' >are > > > singing ...'Mark Shreeve, Mark Shreeve...' listen to it- you'll hear >what I > > > mean. > > > >I bet the hours fly on by ;) > >Paul > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26767 Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] glynn_naughton@h... Wed 4/18/2001 2 KB From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Mon Apr 16, 2001 8:07 pm Subject: NON TOPIC _ IcQ Hey there all. JUst the last quick note. I've finally gotten EVERYTHING fixed on my PC> If you're using IcQ, and I happen to have chatted with you on it in the past, e-mail me or IcQ me so I can re-add you. I've written all the names down of people I need to keep on my chats list, so if I don't hear from you, I'm assuming you're either using AOL IM, MSN or we don't talk :0 thanks. dan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Apr 18, 2001 3:23 am Subject: GC, and also TOB RE: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] HAH! It does sound like 'Mark Shreeve'! BTW, I caught myself the other day thinking about GC... I wonder if I'll like this even better than I do now (actually I like 50%)... I now think GC is better than Tyranny - all I remember about Tyranny is that when the third track began, I started feeling bored. All the tracks sound the same! (except for the first 2, which seem to be the best ones) >But I always think it is fun to think the vocals on 'At Darwin's motel' are >singing ...'Mark Shreeve, Mark Shreeve...' listen to it- you'll hear what I >mean. >Joe Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26765 Re: GC, and also TOB RE: Once again, D: Studio [G Greg Wed 4/18/2001 3 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Wed Apr 18, 2001 5:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] GC, and also TOB RE: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] I think Tyranny of Beauty is probably the best thing TD has done in the 90's other then Mars Polaris. I don't think all the tracks sound the same and Catwalk is the precursor to Dream Mixes. DM never rose to the promise of that track as the only track I like on DM is Virtually Fields and the Catwalk remix. As far as GC, Sad Merlin's Sunday (the last track) is the best - at over 10 minutes, it makes up for other weaker tracks on the album. I can't stand some of the e-guitar stuff on GC.. it's like some 80's mullet decided to hack up the tracks. Greg H. > I now think GC is better than Tyranny - all I remember about Tyranny is that when the third track began, I started feeling bored. All the tracks sound the same! (except for the first 2, which seem to be the best ones) > > Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Wed Apr 18, 2001 6:53 am Subject: RE: [tadream] GC, and also TOB RE: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins ' Club] Gustavo wrote > All the tracks sound the same! > > > Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... > > Well I used to love those looong live concert versions of songs ;-) just see it as one song :-P Bert Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26795 Re: GC, and also TOB RE: Once again, D: Studio [G Nigbur D Mon 4/23/2001 2 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed Apr 18, 2001 8:49 am Subject: Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] >Hahahaha. Bitter? > >Edgar trashed Elf June. If he'd handed sheet music to the boys and >let them >perform, it would have been pretty nice. Instead, it sounds like he >used one >sample. > >-Morgan Well, Linda would've been OK; I doubt whether Jerome could read it. I've changed my opinion about this album somewhat. Used to think it was just another faceless 90s release, but now? 'Towards the Evening Star' is probably TD's anthem of the 90s, 'Rising Haul' and 'Lamb' are terrific, and 'Elf June' is the best example I've ever heard of a rock group doing music with classical harmonies. Great stuff. Glynn From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 7:03 pm Subject: anthems for each of the TD tracks Re: [tadream] once again, Goblins' Club Which makes me think of yet another best of list; but the question would be: 'Which you think is the anthem for each of the major TD periods'? Probably this question has been made before, but I can't remember now. Just for fun, here's my probable list: the pink years anthem: Fly And Collision of Comas Sola, no doubt about it. the old synthy noises, the flute, Chris' drumming. the anthem from 74-79 period (now that's hard. let me think.): now there are quite a few tracks, but I think Force Majeure is the definitive 74-79 anthem. That sequence that begins in the third section (6:45-9:20), and the melody, take me far above the clouds. the anthem for the Schmoelling years (80-85): this is a very rich period for anthems too. Hyperborea could be one. Warsaw in the Sun is another strong candidate. But I think the big, great winner is the Tangram theme which is played in the beginning of Pergamon, Quichotte part 1. the anthem for the Haslinger years: I don't have many albums after Underwater (still don't have Tyger, Optical Race), but Valley of the Kings from Lily on the Beach is an excellent track for me. What's interesting about Valley is that it's no big deal, I mean, there's not an unforgettable melody or sequence or anything really amazing, but this track is so well made and nice to hear that it has became one of my favourite TD tracks. Or maybe Alchemy of the Heart from Tyger is an even better anthemic track (I heard it in Spherical Harmonics). the anthem for the Jerome years: maybe Towards the Evening Star is the one. I have only 3 albums from the 90s, so I don't have many options. > I've changed my opinion about this album somewhat. Used to think it > was just another faceless 90s release, but now? 'Towards the Evening > Star' is probably TD's anthem of the 90s > Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26769 Anthems glynn_naughton@h... Thu 4/19/2001 2 KB 26780 Re: Anthems Matthew Stringer Fri 4/20/2001 2 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 12:37 pm Subject: Anthems --- In tadream@y..., Gustavo Jobim wrote: > Which makes me think of yet another best of list; but the question >would be: 'Which you think is the anthem for each of the major TD >periods'? Good thread. My choice: Early years: Wahn Baumann years: Stratosfear Schmoelling years: White Eagle Haslinger years: Dolphin Dance Jerome years: Towards the Evening Star Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26780 Re: Anthems Matthew Stringer Fri 4/20/2001 2 KB From: gmroger@p... Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 1:39 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales Are any of the folks meeting at Harveys' (Moon on the Green) on the night of the concert, part of the tree that produces the Dreamwatchers' Tales CDR? If so, I'd like to take that opportunity to get a copy, so let me know off list if you can do it. Roger -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26771 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales Richard Thu 4/19/2001 2 KB 26774 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales Geir Smedsrud Thu 4/19/2001 3 KB 29224 Dreamwatchers' Tales gmroger@p... Mon 9/24/2001 3 KB 31656 Dreamwatchers' Tales Roger Hartopp Fri 1/25/2002 12 KB 31667 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales Gustavo Jobim Fri 1/25/2002 3 KB 31678 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales RJF Sat 1/26/2002 2 KB From: Richard Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales In message <3ADF06A7.286.9FB43@l...>, gmroger@p... writes >Are any of the folks meeting at Harveys' (Moon on the Green) on the night of the >concert, part of the tree that >produces the Dreamwatchers' Tales CDR? If so, I'd like to take that opportunity >to get a copy, so let me know off list >if you can do it. That I s an interesting idea. How many people have actually received their copy? It has been very quite . -- Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26774 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales Geir Smedsrud Thu 4/19/2001 3 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 4:05 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Anthems I would agree with all of these, except perhaps White Eagle, for me 'Daydream' is their finest moment from that period, but then again the two tracks were both used for the 'Tatort' series so it seems we have remarkably similar taste... Paul ---------- >De : glynn_naughton@h... >Ŕ : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] Anthems >Date : Jeu 19 avr 2001 14:37 > > --- In tadream@y..., Gustavo Jobim wrote: >> Which makes me think of yet another best of list; but the question >>would be: 'Which you think is the anthem for each of the major TD >>periods'? > > Good thread. My choice: > > Early years: Wahn > Baumann years: Stratosfear > Schmoelling years: White Eagle > Haslinger years: Dolphin Dance > Jerome years: Towards the Evening Star > > Glynn > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthems Because list members can't resist a poll: 70-73 White Clouds 74-79 Cloudburst Flight 80-85 Warsaw in the Sun 86-90 Ride on the Ray 90-00 Touchwood (forest mix) -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26775 Re: Anthems Michal Moroz Thu 4/19/2001 2 KB 26778 Re: Anthems Synthhtnys@a... Thu 4/19/2001 2 KB 26781 Re: Anthems Michal Moroz Fri 4/20/2001 2 KB 26786 Anthems Gary Jenkins Fri 4/20/2001 2 KB 26787 Re: Anthems Matthew Sawyer Fri 4/20/2001 2 KB From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 5:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hmmm, I can make 4 sets. If anyone is interested just tell me. Geir At 15:27 19.04.01 +0100, you wrote: >In message <3ADF06A7.286.9FB43@l...>, gmroger@p... writes > >Are any of the folks meeting at Harveys' (Moon on the Green) on the > night of the > >concert, part of the tree that > >produces the Dreamwatchers' Tales CDR? If so, I'd like to take that > opportunity > >to get a copy, so let me know off list > >if you can do it. > >That I s an interesting idea. How many people have actually received >their copy? It has been very quite . >-- >Richard > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Best Regards Geir -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQEVAwUBOt8nJCIZEgCohZg6AQGIDwf8Cjt0n8Z48lu7HOGCp5FN1PEEnesyD9bm sYv2ru8WNTMDtIunVVuGPvsWy3Sd7lz6lkUL1A1C1Ib3eSqRmnIdvwiVRcnhAfaz Pf0CbqzBFyTsJselU0SWwobGnjcp5zRbH4+hqx3P08MBieU1sz7jyrqADYoctp0k MQg/ldhrxaZAFly/OkRhdmFyCaWGZmbbFIx9UfnmDiHxcQnOhSctjVPyuS+vU477 UeFu4EPHgLPafTVn90eM2ZTjrzhSMMw6Uh9UhnMQU1o+RoS3mekUlwFDEAiumUt5 QXfaMHIiPmSnxLmLV7g0ZKpJaFHO+1Lb6ds7Bsdm0+dmE+TuYii0ow== =6BO+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 8:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthems cat moaning years: sunrise in the third system Baumann years: force majeure, first track - the music near the end, but not the 'jumping' one :) Schmoelling years: Logos - minute 20:00-25:00, Calymba Caly can also be Haslinger years: 21 century common man Chewing-Gum years: Towards the Evening Star Michal Moroz radziecka Technologia (na) Dnie oceanu From: PENFOLD Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 8:45 pm Subject: Haslinger Fwd: Re: Speaking of electronica... Got advice? Here's a interesting and good review of Haslinger from one of the Desert Freaks on the Burning Man List. >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:33:07 -0700 (PDT) >From: Michael Balistreri >Subject: Re: Speaking of electronica... Got advice? >To: PENFOLD , burnman-list@d... > > > Paul Haslinger's _Future Primitive_ and _World > > Without Rules_ have a > > electronica mixed with a World Music style. > >I have to vouch bigtime here for Paul Haslinger. World >Without Rules is mesmerizing and intense - it calls up >visions of alien plant goddesses being birthed into >our dimension among elaborate, neo-pagan ritual (at >least thats how Im affected - kinda reminds me of >feelings I get during Burning Man Operas).. >Its definitely on my top 5 for 'Music to Peak By'. >Penfold, you may know what Im talkin bout here, can I >get an AMEN! Now I gotta check out Future Primitive.. Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 10:14 pm Subject: Sheperd's Bush concert Hi all, I'm very happy to announce my very possible presence on May 12. Whoever gives at rat's you-know-what. Actually, I'll be staying with friends in the Manchester area and come to London (which I see far too often on business) on Saturday. Myself and Antony (a non-internet TD fan of loooong bearing and great guy) will join you wherever the pre-show meeting will be. Let me know. For once, I'll leave my standard footer with my mobile phone number for short-notice contacts. I'm really looking forward to see some of my old friends again, and some potential new friends ;-) cheers, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 10:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthems Baumann years: force majeure, first track - the music near the end, but not > the 'jumping' one :) > *Ummm...... Baumann wasn't on Force Majeure... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: :'-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk' Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 6:36 am Subject: TD on TV Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but according to rockontv.com, Tangerine Dream are going to be on BET Jazz several times this weekend, starting tomorrow at F3P, SA4A, 5P, SU5A. (1 hour). Double-check your local listings, those times are EST to me. Some show called Jazz Alley TV. I don't get BET Jazz. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 8:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthems Ooh a list....! Early years (Pre Virgin): Whan Baumann years: Cherokee Lane (maybe Pheadra) Schmoelling years: Love on a Real Train (maybe Tangram) Franke years (Post Schmoelling): Song of the Whale Pt 2 (maybe London) Haslinger years (post Franke): Melrose Jerome years (post Haslinger): Hamlet Matt From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 8:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthems > Baumann years: force majeure, first track - the music near the end, but not >> the 'jumping' one :) >> >*Ummm...... Baumann wasn't on Force Majeure... >Poly > > Sorry, my fault :) Michal From: Victor Rek Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 1:17 pm Subject: Okefenokee 2001 has Begun! The Swamp gang is here in Atlanta and we're about to caravan to the swamp. We're packing all the gear and fans from all over USA and Europe has made it. We'll be checking back in after we return from the trip. Beautiful people, music and nature up ahead! A spot for the TDI folks ;-) is still available. Vic From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 2:23 pm Subject: Anthems >From: Gustavo Jobim >the anthem from 74-79 period (now that's hard. let me think.): Why don't you make it 74-77 and 78-79? I think there was a clear change in direction when Baumann left. /Olle From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 2:53 pm Subject: Auction on OPTICALDREAM.DE Hi, for your information: from: 22.04. to 06.05.2001 visit my Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage for my first Auction this year. here you found 91 item`s -all electronic Music www.opticaldream.de Thank you for your visit and your bids. Heiko from Burg/Germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 2:56 pm Subject: TD era Themes I find it best to classify eras by line-up (except early TD) Early (Pre-74): Wahn 74-77 (Froese/Franke/Baumann): Ricochet pt.2 78-79 (Froese/Franke/Krieger/and sometimes Joliffe): Cloudburst Flight 80-85 (Froese/Franke/Schmoelling): Quichotte pt 2 (There's SOOO many good ones to choose from) 86-87 (Froese/Franke/Haslinger): Song of the Whale 2 88-89 (Froese/Haslinger): Too Hot for my Chinchilla 90-91 (Froese/Haslinger/Froese): Melrose 92-95 (Froese/Froese/Spa/Pericka): first 3 tracks of 220 Volt (flow like one track) 96-01 (Froese/Froese): Timesquare Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26800 Re: TD era Themes Armin Theissen Tue 4/24/2001 2 KB 26806 TD era Themes =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Vill Wed 4/25/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 7:28 pm Subject: Anthems Ok will give this a go. Early Years--White Clouds Baumann Era--Stratosfear 78-79--Force Majeure Schmoelling's classic period--Mojave Plan Haslinger Era--Three Bikes in The Sky 90's Onwards--Comet's Figure Head cheers Gary From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 9:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthems My ones: Pink Years - Sunrise in the Third System Virgin Years (Baumann) - Rubycon part 1 (with Ricochet part 1 a very close second) Virgin Years (Schmoelling) - Mojave Plan Blue Years (Haslinger) - Last ten minutes of Live Miles part 2 Melrose Years - Lily on the Beach Seattle Years - Towards the Evening Star Millenium Years - Order of the Ginger Guild. Maff ________________________________________ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Sat Apr 21, 2001 3:54 pm Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work ? Joe Shoults [17/04/2001 11:58] dijo/said: >an 'AirSupply' list actually exists??? > >sorry, I'm not making fun of AirSupply fans, just surprised... Nothing surprises me anymore since I learned there are *Asia* fans... -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat Apr 21, 2001 6:04 pm Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work ? Hey, Hey Now, Let us not forget 2 great artists of the pop culture. Frankie Goes to Hollywood......and of course,.....the Great FALCO!!! Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Miguel Farah F.' To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 11:54 AM Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work ? > Joe Shoults [17/04/2001 11:58] dijo/said: > >an 'AirSupply' list actually exists??? > > > >sorry, I'm not making fun of AirSupply fans, just surprised... > > Nothing surprises me anymore since I learned there are *Asia* fans... > > > -- > MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... > #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel > <*> > 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' > - Sledge Hammer > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Apr 21, 2001 8:50 pm Subject: New Franke/Haslinger/Etc I just observed that Sonic Images has overhauled its website...It looks much better than before...In the news there, I see that he has out o new Soundtrack called THE CALLING... I also hear that Paul Haslinger appears on a few tracks on the new Lightwave CD, though I don't recall anyone mentioning it on the list. I was just lamenting the fact that I can't visit the CD shop that used to be across from my office (and is now about 800 miles from me)... However I discovered that they have a website. They always had a great selection so I would check it out www.crowsnestmusic.com MJ From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Sun Apr 22, 2001 11:48 am Subject: New Franke/Haslinger/etc Paul Haslinger appears on 4 tracks on the new Lightwave CD, 'Caryotype'. This disc is currently available on the Signature label in France. Sincerely, Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun Apr 22, 2001 6:01 pm Subject: AUCTION is open Hi all, My Auction is open please visit: http://www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm I hope you enjoy it, and thank you for for visit and your bids. Regards Heiko from Burg/Germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Sun Apr 22, 2001 11:37 pm Subject: White Out CD-'Original' Greetings All! I have the original White Out CD with the misprint cover for sale.If anyone is interested please contact me off list and I will give you the price. Thanks, Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Nigbur D Date: Mon Apr 23, 2001 1:38 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] The 'filler' tracks are great stuff too. 'United Goblins Parade' and 'Sad Merlin's Sunday' are my current favourites from GC. But, and that's the most important thing, the CD actually sounds like an album - which is more than can be said for much of the other TD releases from that period. Dennis > ---------- > From: glynn_naughton@h...[SMTP:glynn_naughton@h...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 18 April 2001 09:49 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] > > >Hahahaha. Bitter? > > > >Edgar trashed Elf June. If he'd handed sheet music to the boys and > >let them > >perform, it would have been pretty nice. Instead, it sounds like he > >used one > >sample. > > > >-Morgan > > Well, Linda would've been OK; I doubt whether Jerome could read it. > > I've changed my opinion about this album somewhat. Used to think it > was just another faceless 90s release, but now? 'Towards the Evening > Star' is probably TD's anthem of the 90s, 'Rising Haul' and 'Lamb' > are terrific, and 'Elf June' is the best example I've ever heard of a > rock group doing music with classical harmonies. Great stuff. > > Glynn > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Nigbur D Date: Mon Apr 23, 2001 1:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] GC, and also TOB RE: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins ' Club] > ---------- > From: Gustavo Jobim[SMTP:gustavfj@m...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 18 April 2001 04:23 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] GC, and also TOB RE: Once again, D: Studio > [Goblins' Club] > > HAH! It does sound like 'Mark Shreeve'! > BTW, I caught myself the other day thinking about GC... I wonder if I'll > like this even better than I do now (actually I like 50%)... > > I now think GC is better than Tyranny - all I remember about Tyranny is > that when the third track began, I started feeling bored. All the tracks > sound the same! (except for the first 2, which seem to be the best ones) > I always feel when listening to Tyranny that 'Birdwatcher's Dream', 'Little Blonde' and 'Living in a Fountain Pen' could have been condensed into a single track quite easily. Dennis From: Nigbur D Date: Mon Apr 23, 2001 1:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE:beautiful song from legend that the soundtrack m isses If it's the segment I think you mean, it's also on TRAUMZEIT, slightly mis-labelled as 'Unicorn Theme'. In fact, the TRAUMZEIT track is an amalgamation of Unicorn Theme, Loved by the Sun minus the vocals, and the melody you mean. Dennis > ---------- > From: Whiteley, Steve[SMTP:steve.whiteley@s...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 11 April 2001 18:03 > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: [tadream] RE:beautiful song from legend that the soundtrack > misses > > Hey Magic Lovers, > > I also had this mad desire to find this song, mainly from the taste I got > at > the 86 Albuquerque concert, I totally blissed/chilled out. > > from memory I beleive its on: > an Electrobeats show with Jerome > the Electronic Orgy boot has two different cuts > the 86 US tour boots > > Are there more? > > I remember writing the td home page begging for a release. If you have > problems finding some of the above I might be able to help. > > Good Luck, > Steve > > *********************************************************** > > Dear Armin, > thank you so much for getting back to me and taking all that time and > effort > to help me. It's such a sweet tune that it's a shame to not be able > to hear > all of it. I will be looking for that bootleg copy and yes, please > forward > my request. > Sincerely, > Ann DelConte > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:37:29 -0400 > From: Michael V Miller > Subject: Re: Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' > > I too loved that little bit. I would like to know where I could find it. > > Mike > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia > http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm > The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, > and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love > of Christ. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Mon Apr 23, 2001 4:11 pm Subject: Happy St Georges Day! Hello All, For what it's worth, it's St Georges Day today (English equivalent of St Patrick's Day). We're off to a bar on the Champs-Elysee (very English) to celebrate - so, happy St George's day to all tadreamers! Hope it doesn't turn out like the last St Pat's day. I was sharing a house with an Irish bloke. 'Ah, let's go for a quick beer to celebrate St Pat's Day,' he says. At three o'clock that morning I was a bit the worse for wear, draped with an Irish tricolour and headbanging to a U2 cover band. The concepts 'a quick beer' and 'Irishman' don't really go together ;-) Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26798 Re: Happy St Georges Day! PERGAMON Mon 4/23/2001 3 KB 26801 Re: Happy St Georges Day! Armin Theissen Tue 4/24/2001 2 KB 26799 Re: Happy St Georges Day! Phil White Mon 4/23/2001 4 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Mon Apr 23, 2001 8:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy St Georges Day! Thanks But as I am living in Denmark, I do not know all your holidays or traditions. What is this???? both St. patrick and St George. I mean whats the tradition and why???? Thanks in advance. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: glynn_naughton@h... To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 6:11 PM Subject: [tadream] Happy St Georges Day! Hello All, For what it's worth, it's St Georges Day today (English equivalent of St Patrick's Day). We're off to a bar on the Champs-Elysee (very English) to celebrate - so, happy St George's day to all tadreamers! Hope it doesn't turn out like the last St Pat's day. I was sharing a house with an Irish bloke. 'Ah, let's go for a quick beer to celebrate St Pat's Day,' he says. At three o'clock that morning I was a bit the worse for wear, draped with an Irish tricolour and headbanging to a U2 cover band. The concepts 'a quick beer' and 'Irishman' don't really go together ;-) Glynn ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26801 Re: Happy St Georges Day! Armin Theissen Tue 4/24/2001 2 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Mon Apr 23, 2001 9:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy St Georges Day! Hi and Happy St George's day to you.... The only connection I can be bothered to come up with between St Patrick and St George is one superb artiste ( and totally off topic ) the inimitable George Ivan Morrison. Stream of consciousness or what.....? ( Listen to Summertime in England on 'Common One' ) Thinking of this whilst listening to ( back on topic ) 'Encore' Bye for now Phil White ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy St Georges Day! > Thanks > > But as I am living in Denmark, I do not know all your holidays or traditions. What is this???? both St. patrick and St George. I mean whats the tradition and why???? > > Thanks in advance. > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: glynn_naughton@h... > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 6:11 PM > Subject: [tadream] Happy St Georges Day! > > > Hello All, > > For what it's worth, it's St Georges Day today (English equivalent of > St Patrick's Day). We're off to a bar on the Champs-Elysee (very > English) to celebrate - so, happy St George's day to all tadreamers! > > Hope it doesn't turn out like the last St Pat's day. I was sharing a > house with an Irish bloke. 'Ah, let's go for a quick beer to > celebrate St Pat's Day,' he says. At three o'clock that morning I was > a bit the worse for wear, draped with an Irish tricolour and > headbanging to a U2 cover band. The concepts 'a quick beer' > and 'Irishman' don't really go together ;-) > > Glynn > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Tue Apr 24, 2001 6:37 am Subject: Re: TD era Themes here are mine Ohr phase: Atem Baumann phase: Rubycon Pt II post-Baumann pre-Schmoelling interregnum: Cloudburst Flight Schmoelling phase: whatever the name of that thing is which comes on Raetikon after Mojave Plan. If this shouldn't qualify for whatever reason, then it would be White Eagle Haslinger phase: A Time for Heroes (that was Haslinger, right?) TD-with-Linda(sigh) phase (or 'early Jerome' phase): Little Blond in the Park of Attractions later Jerome phase: anything cheers armin From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Tue Apr 24, 2001 6:40 am Subject: Re: Happy St Georges Day! Hi, in Ireland it simply means that all the irish get pissed. That even has got some tradition. Believe me, I live in Dublin. a. --- In tadream@y..., 'PERGAMON' wrote: > Thanks > > But as I am living in Denmark, I do not know all your holidays or traditions. What is this???? both St. patrick and St George. I mean whats the tradition and why???? > > Thanks in advance. > > Jan From: gmroger@p... Date: Tue Apr 24, 2001 10:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 866 I think a lot of folks may be wondering why I'm not taking part in this poll, so here we go... The TD anthems: 1970-1973 First six minutes of 'Atem' 1974-1977 Ricochet, Stratosfear 1978-1979 Cloudburst Flight 1980-1985 Beach Scene, White Eagle, Yellowstone Park 1986-1987 Song of the Whale Part 2 1988-1989 Final Statement 1990 Melrose 1991 to date Firetongues, Towards the Evening Star, Timesquare, Comets' Figure Head Roger -- From: gmroger@p... Date: Tue Apr 24, 2001 10:43 am Subject: Temporary contact address Okay, I'm off to the UK this weekend (and in preparation for the concert), but I'm posting this early because of the amount of time it sometimes takes to receive digests (and on the odd occasions, individual messages). So, from this Friday onwards please note my e-mail address will be: michael.hartopp@t... Roger -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26811 Re: Temporary contact address michael.hartopp@t... Thu 4/26/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Wed Apr 25, 2001 6:01 am Subject: AUCTION on OPTICALDREAM.de Hi all, a big THANK YOU to all bidder`s and all visitor`s on my first auction this year. Over 120 electronic Music Fan`s click`s my auction page in 2 day`s .Great!!! http://www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm Regards auctionmaster - heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Wed Apr 25, 2001 1:40 pm Subject: Re: TD Anthems All right, you lot, I'll bite. The TD anthems: 1970-1973 All of 'Atem' 1974-1977 Ricochet 1978-1979 Cloudburst Flight 1980-1985 White Eagle 1986-1987 Dolphin Dance 1988-1989 Too Hot for my Chinchilla 1990 Three Bikes in the Sky 1991 to date Waterborne Cheer, Steve in Nottingham, UK - -- 'You can trust your Beagle to 'guard' your house but you cannot trust your Beagle to 'watch' your food!' - The Wisdom of Snoopy (Chapter 6). From: Christian Villazón Date: Wed Apr 25, 2001 2:12 pm Subject: TD era Themes Hello, Here is my TD era Themes: Pre-74 Pink Years: Electronic Meditation 74-77 (Froese/Franke/Baumann): Rubycon 78-79 (Froese/Franke/Krieger/Joliffe): Madrigal Meridian (Cyclone) 79 (Froese/Franke/Krieger): Force Majeure 80-85 (Froese/Franke/Schmoelling): Hyperborea and Streethawk (Le Parc) 86-87 (Froese/Franke/Haslinger): Live Miles 88-89 (Froese/Haslinger): Optical Race 90-91 (Froese/Haslinger/Froese): Melrose 91-92 (Frose/Froese): Rockoon 92-95 (Froese/Froese/Spa): Goblin's Club and Turn of the Tides 96-01 (Froese/Froese): Mars Polaris and Timesquare (Architecture in Motion) ChrisTian From: 'michael' Date: Wed Apr 25, 2001 1:26 pm Subject: TD 1977 North American Summer Tour Poster I have a question for the group here about something I've never seen before. My birthday was on Monday and my sister gave me a poster from her vast collection as a gift. The two of us attended the TD show in Boulder in 1977 (which just happened to be on HER birthday) and somehow she ended up with a nice TD poster sold at the show. I can't ever remember seeing it before (I'm sure she has had it rolled up for almost 25 years) and I don't have any idea how I got home from the show without snagging one too! Anyway, it has a collage of the three guys sitting around their equipment (not too terribly different a pic than one of the ones in the '77 tourbook) along with a nice shot of the Laserium light show all on a field of black with all the 1977 North American summer tour dates listed at the bottom. Like I said, I can't remember ever seeing it before and I'm sure that not very many of them were distributed since the tour was scrapped early on. Any info I can get on it would be appreciated. I'm having it framed right now but I can take a pic when I get it back and upload it for anyone who wants to check it out. Just wanted to share my good fortune with the group and let you all know about just one more thing that's out there to be collected... Mike From: Katarinakat19@a... Date: Wed Apr 25, 2001 4:10 pm Subject: Night at Ayers Rock Poster Hi - I am VERY interested in finding the poster of Ayers Rock with the Fender Stratcaster, animal-like people, and a concert going on. I'm not sure of the name - could be Night at Ayers Rock. We very much would like to frame this poster and hang it in our den. We see it all the time in the Outback Restaurant here in New Jersey. Owner/manager not at all helpful in our quest - and I mean quest. No, don't tell me to steal it - very securely screwed to the wall!! lol Please let me know where and how I can get copy. Thank you so very much, Karen (geminiblueshoes w/yahoo group) Please respond to Katarinakat19@a... From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Apr 25, 2001 5:29 pm Subject: was cleaning house and found some files that I thought were lost. .. go to www.tadream.net and click 'Album list'. I found a bunch of old album covers some of you had uploaded to the old xoom.com ftp site. I found some today that I DLed before it got shut down... From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Wed Apr 25, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: RE: Okefenokee 2001 Hey Dreamers, Its amazing when you have so many great memories in such a short period of time. I have to say this is one of the events I've been looking for most my life. Meeting others that have the same love of classic TD. Seeing how the music I love is made. The cooperative cooking, cleaning, helping, living effort at the cabins. The late night conversations about TDs great transitional concerts. Living for four days and nights in the middle of a swamp. canoeing the waterways looking at the density of strange wildlife. Floating the swamp at night enjoying the sequences and melodies of the wildlife. Watching three different power converters get hooked up by muscians, who barely know each other, bringing together fantastic music in the style of early TD improvisation. One piece had me laughing so hard tears were coming out of my eyes. I'm really excited at the chance to get some of the music made this weekend. Special thanks to Marcel, Dave, Bill, John and Peter for sharing your music, to Vic and Roger for handling the logistical organization and to the rest of you for sharing your loves and lives. While driving by a lake this morning, it was as if the gators were still looking at me. Magical place, great people, delicious food, awesome music. Count me in for next year. Thanks, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: michael.hartopp@t... Date: Thu Apr 26, 2001 7:54 am Subject: Re: Temporary contact address --- In tadream@y..., gmroger@p... wrote: > Okay, I'm off to the UK this weekend (and in preparation for the concert), but I'm posting this early because of the > amount of time it sometimes takes to receive digests (and on the odd occasions, individual messages). So, from > this Friday onwards please note my e-mail address will be: > > michael.hartopp@t... > > Roger Don't quite know what happened there, so just to make sure... michael.hartopp@t... Let's see if that works... Roger From: justin.ludford@l... Date: Thu Apr 26, 2001 8:37 pm Subject: DM3 Is Dm3 likely to get a release before the London show ?? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26813 Re: DM3 Gary Jenkins Thu 4/26/2001 2 KB 26818 Re: DM3 TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Fri 4/27/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Apr 26, 2001 9:00 pm Subject: Re: DM3 --- In tadream@y..., justin.ludford@l... wrote: > Is Dm3 likely to get a release before the London show ?? Amazon uk are showing release date of 7th May. Cheers Gary From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Apr 26, 2001 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DM3 >From: 'Gary Jenkins' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Re: DM3 >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:00:41 -0000 > >--- In tadream@y..., justin.ludford@l... wrote: > > Is Dm3 likely to get a release before the London show ?? > Amazon uk are showing release date of 7th May. Dream Mixes 3 should be pretty cool from what I've heard of it so far. Stereolight (remix of Monolight from Encore) and Diamonds and Dust are great. We've all heard Meng Tian and it's forgettible. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 12:05 am Subject: Okefenokee 2001 website online! Well it's taken me a long time to put this together, but I've now got all my pictures from the Okefenokee 2001 trip ONLINE! I arrived at Okefenokee Friday night too late to get in the park, so I stayed in a trailer (long story) but I was there all Saturday, Sunday, and Monday, and left Okefenokee Tuesday morning around 11am. I got home (Houston) at about 1:30am and crashed (in bed). It was a wonderful event and I wish everyone here who had planned to go had been there (or anyone who wanted to!). 4 nights of wonderful concerts and memories and some of the best food too! You guys missed my omelettes and Texas Chili! Anyway, I can't wait for the CDs, and for anyone who hasn't bought the 2000 Okefenokee CD who has been considering it, you better grab it! It's great (part of why I came to this year's event) and I hear it's running low! It was so cool to meet Marcel and the Airsculpture guys, Dave Brewer, and Bill Fox and hear them improvise together hours of music in the middle of the swamp. I am working on putting up mp3s of the concerts, in the mean time check out the pictures. The mp3s should be up later tonight. http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2001/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26816 Re: Okefenokee 2001 website online! Frank Arellano Fri 4/27/2001 4 KB 26821 Re: Okefenokee 2001 website online! Antonio Nunes Fri 4/27/2001 2 KB 26824 Re: Okefenokee 2001 website online! Frank Arellano Fri 4/27/2001 5 KB 33766 Okefenokee 2002 Morgan Feldon Thu 5/9/2002 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 1:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 website online! Great job, Morgan !! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 6:05 PM Subject: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 website online! > Well it's taken me a long time to put this together, but I've now got all my > pictures from the Okefenokee 2001 trip ONLINE! I arrived at Okefenokee > Friday night too late to get in the park, so I stayed in a trailer (long > story) but I was there all Saturday, Sunday, and Monday, and left Okefenokee > Tuesday morning around 11am. I got home (Houston) at about 1:30am and > crashed (in bed). > > It was a wonderful event and I wish everyone here who had planned to go had > been there (or anyone who wanted to!). 4 nights of wonderful concerts and > memories and some of the best food too! You guys missed my omelettes and > Texas Chili! > > Anyway, I can't wait for the CDs, and for anyone who hasn't bought the 2000 > Okefenokee CD who has been considering it, you better grab it! It's great > (part of why I came to this year's event) and I hear it's running low! It > was so cool to meet Marcel and the Airsculpture guys, Dave Brewer, and Bill > Fox and hear them improvise together hours of music in the middle of the > swamp. > > I am working on putting up mp3s of the concerts, in the mean time check out > the pictures. The mp3s should be up later tonight. > > http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2001/ > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 6:51 am Subject: Inferno Hi y'all, when I opened my letterbox yesterday there was an envelope from the 'Public' Agency in Bernau, containing each 3 three tickets for the first & second 'Inferno' show...yikes! The tickets itself are looking beautiful in their tangerine/orange colour (with Edgar, Jerome, Zlatko & Gerald looking seriously), however I was amused to find yet another typing error ('performence' instead of performance)...but then again it's no surprise ;-) I managed to get a seat in the 8th row for the best category, and I'm really looking forward to that spectacular event as much as I look forward to meet some of you guys in London very soon! I'm sure that we will also have a 'pre-show get together' in Bernau...? Heiko P.S: I have two spare tickets for the first show (which is already sold out), price is 60 DM/US$28 each (no profit on my part). It's not the best category (maybe 2nd best) but you should still have a good view towards the stage. If interested e-mail me off-list please. P.P.S.: thanks Morgan for the great pictures & stories about Okefenokee 2001! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29884 Re: Inferno Phil White Wed 10/31/2001 3 KB 29886 Re: Inferno Joe Shoults Wed 10/31/2001 2 KB 29988 Inferno Michael Jean Fri 11/9/2001 2 KB 30180 Inferno gustavojobim@n... Mon 11/19/2001 2 KB 30181 Re: Inferno Heiko Heerssen Mon 11/19/2001 3 KB 30182 Re: Inferno moxica@m... Mon 11/19/2001 2 KB 31837 Inferno edmorrisuk Fri 2/1/2002 3 KB 31897 Re: Inferno Owens, James Mon 2/4/2002 2 KB 33763 Inferno fozziebear Wed 5/8/2002 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Date: Thu Apr 26, 2001 8:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DM3 At 20:37 26.04.01 , you wrote: >Is Dm3 likely to get a release before the London show ?? > Hi y'all, to clear this up before speculations arise: -street date for DM3 is May 22nd, 2001 (this means it might take 1- 2 weeks after that until all shops will have it regularly available) - the CD will be available at the London concert for the first time - roughly 2 weeks before it goes into the shops. - After the London concert, you will be able to order it on-site via STIMPACK FIVE. OK...hope this info from home-base was helpful. Dream on! Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: <www.tdi-music-mall.de> Have a nice day! From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 7:45 am Subject: Inferno II My two spare tickets for the 1st 'Inferno' show have just been sold (by one of the usual suspects ;-) Heiko From: hedlera@w... Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 7:36 am Subject: Schmoelling-White Out-CD online order To all of you who did NOT have it yet: Johannes Schmoelling 2000 release 'White Out' is not only available from his homepage (http://www.johannesschmoelling.de) but also available from: http://www.groove.nl/ in The Netherlands and http://www.cd-services.com/ in the UK (you better use their email: cdser@a... Soon there will be copies available at www.eurock.com/ in the US. Andreas Hedler From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 11:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 website online! Feldon Feldon wrote: > > Well it's taken me a long time to put this together, but I've now got all my > pictures from the Okefenokee 2001 trip ONLINE! > (...) > http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2001/ Well done Morgan! It's nice to see the faces behind the names, and read your report of this 'magical event' as you say. I couldn't be present, but I've just enjoyed a virtual journey visiting your site. I'm impressed, even before hearing the music :-) Antonio Nunes From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 10:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DM3 TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak wrote: > - the CD will be available at the London concert for the first time - > roughly 2 weeks before it goes into the shops. thanks for the info, Martin. Now I only need to know TD's set list for the Shepherds Bush concert :-B Heiko From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 4:09 pm Subject: Spare TD ticket I have a spare S Bush ticket as my girlfreind found a great excuse not to go .I`ll sell it for the Ł18.50 it cost me if anybody wants it . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) ----- Original Message ----- From: Heiko Heerssen To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] DM3 > > > TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > > - the CD will be available at the London concert for the first time - > > roughly 2 weeks before it goes into the shops. > > thanks for the info, Martin. Now I only need to know TD's set list for the > Shepherds Bush concert :-B > > Heiko > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 website online! Antonio! Hello my friend :-) I'm in a good mood, because right now I'm listening and watching some of the videos that I recorded. There's definitely some good music to be had! I just hope that the first night with Dave Brewer, Bill Fox and Marcel playing together, which was excellent IMO, makes it's way on the CD, because the DAT recorder at that time hadn't been hooked up yet, but we got it on video and cassette [Victor's]. Everything was great. We had lots of fun, good food, good music, saw plenty of wildlife, and man!, did some of us do some partying! I think I stayed up till 3 or 4 AM every night there, always the last man still standing :-) I got a good picture of 'Beerhammer' George passed out hugging a chair like if he had just found a new girlfriend that he wasn't going to let go :-) It was great meeting everyone too. For me, what a pleasure it was to chat with Marcel! One night while most of us were partying together, I put on Red Shift's Ether track and from across the room I teased Marcel by telling him, 'Do you hear that!? Do you hear that!? :-D ' Inferring, there's your competition and the standard, ha ha. :-) Everyone seemed to like the music too when I put on my Patrolling Space Borders and my TD's Paris 1976 CD's, the latter which I had won in the raffle. I also got Pete and John to sign one of my 'Europa' CD's and Dave and Marcel to sign my 'Okefenokee 2000' CD :-) Oh yeah, and the raffle / drawing was *lots* of fun too! One thing that that happened there that not everyone knows about was one night at about 4 AM I was still up and I heard some noise coming from the screen enclosed porch area, so I opened up the kitchen door, which leads to the porch area where Vic was sleeping, I saw two raccoons, one which I saw him help himself in by opening the screen door using his little arms at the bottom of the door. When he saw me he casually helped himself out :-). Vic, who was in dreamland, was oblivious to all this. :-) One thing about my video taping, I got over six hours worth :-) BTW, Antonio, I sent you a present on the 19th, from Knoxville ;-) From: 'Antonio Nunes' To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 website online! > > > Feldon Feldon wrote: > > > > Well it's taken me a long time to put this together, but I've now got all my > > pictures from the Okefenokee 2001 trip ONLINE! > > (...) > > http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2001/ > > Well done Morgan! It's nice to see the faces behind the names, and read > your report of this 'magical event' as you say. I couldn't be present, > but I've just enjoyed a virtual journey visiting your site. I'm > impressed, even before hearing the music :-) > > Antonio Nunes > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33766 Okefenokee 2002 Morgan Feldon Thu 5/9/2002 2 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Apr 28, 2001 6:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno II - Need one Ticket I justed e-mailed Heiko for a ticket, but obviously I'm late. I am looking for one ticket for the first Inferno show. Please contact me off list if you can offer me one ticket. Thanks! Vic P.S. Now, it's time to start writing my Oke-2001 report. It looks like everyone had a great time and we will have some great music to share. Reports to follow in the upcoming days... Heiko Heerssen wrote: > My two spare tickets for the 1st 'Inferno' show have just been sold (by > one of the usual suspects ;-) > > Heiko > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat Apr 28, 2001 1:44 pm Subject: Upgrade weekend Hello All, I am having some friends stay with us this weekend. One of the things I am hoping to get accomplished is the upgrade of my computer.... The rat has finally died, and the rubberband needs to be changed. So if you write me, do not think I am ignoring you. I am just off-line for a few days. Tanks, Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: PENFOLD Date: Sat Apr 28, 2001 10:21 pm Subject: Looking for 2 archived posts I've been tearing apart my room and home office looking for two posts that were on this list. Both were for track listings for TD tape compilations. What I'm looking for: Track listing for the tapes 'TD For Infidels'(TD sampler for introduction to people not familiar with TD) and 'TD Rocks Your Socks Off'(good fast-paced & possibly danceable TD music) thanks in advance Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Sun Apr 29, 2001 6:52 pm Subject: TD anthems. Hello everyone. Thought i would put my Td anthems from their different eras on site. pre 1974 Origin of supernatural probabilities 74-77 Rubycon part 1 78-79 Cloudburst flight 80-85 Poland(but so many gems to choose from). 86-87 Song of the whale part 1 88-89 Too hot for my chinchilla 90-91 electric lion 92-95 girls on broadway 96-01 Astrophobia Best regards&good health to all. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26840 Re: TD anthems. Deborah Johnson Mon 4/30/2001 3 KB From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Sun Apr 29, 2001 7:27 pm Subject: My Okefenokee 2001 Report (long) Hi Everyone, I guess since there's not much other traffic right now, I thought I'd go ahead and post my report now. I'm not sure how many people are interested in reading it, but here it is if you want it. Dave’s Okefenokee 2001 Memoirs Yep, it was that time of year again. The time to head to the swamps of southern Georgia. It seemed like it would never get here for the longest time! I’m writing this a couple of days after I’ve come back, so I may not remember everything. But that’s why everyone should write their stories, so that maybe all the details can be caught. Thursday, April 19 – This morning, I got up more or less like I’m going to work (about 5AM). My father gave me a lift to the airport and I got checked with no problems. I had a little extra time, so I went to a snack shop and got my favorite drink, orange juice! Eventually, I got on the plane and was on my way east. I put on my noise-canceling headphones, shoved a TD mix minidisc into the player, started reading Tolkien’s “The Two Towers” where I left off and everything was good. After arriving at Atlanta about 30 minutes ahead of schedule (it’s the end of the world!), I go to grab my luggage. After seeing only one suitcase in the carousel, I began to panic! Where’s my keyboard?! After wandering around a bit, I found that the rest of my stuff was already removed from the carousel and placed in a special area. Whew! Okay, now I head for the car rental place and I see Steve Whiteley sitting there in front. We greet, and I tell him that Marion Horrod will be getting in later, since her original flight was cancelled. We were going to meet up with her originally. Anyway, I get the car, and we drive to Vic’s house, and I don’t get lost this time! :-) Marcel was the only person at Vic’s when we got there (except for Vic’s son and his friend). Marcel had all his gear set up, but without a PA system it was kinda hard to hear it. I plugged in my keyboard to make sure it still worked, and it did. The three of us ended up hanging out, chatting and listening to all sorts of prog rock from Vic’s collection. Eventually, Vic came home from work (poor guy), and his wife Natasha also came home. I didn ’t meet her last year. Through the rest of the afternoon, Tom George, Frank Arellano and Jim Moore join us. I think that’s everyone at that point. I hope I didn’t forget anyone. We went out to eat at some taco grill place nearby. The Mexican food pretty good, but out here in the southwest, we got the really good stuff! :-) Vic had to leave us after a while to go pick up Marion from the train station. When we got back to Vic’s place, we found that Bill Fox had shown up while we were out. Vic also returned with Marion, and now we had a nice sized group at the place. We listened to Stratosfear (starting with ‘3AM’ of course) on Vic’s 8-track player. What a novelty! It wasn’t aligned properly though, so we got to hear one song on top of another, which was interesting in spots. Jim needed to go into work on Friday, but will be meeting up with us in the park. We all crash for the night later on. Friday, April 20 – We head out about 10 AM. The first thing we need to do is get the PA system through which the musicians were going to make their noises heard. We get most of it loaded in my car, since I had a free back seat. We caravan down in 4 cars, and it was occasionally challenging to keep everyone in sight with all the other traffic. Steve was in the car with me, and we chatted and listened to a bunch of music. We had plenty to choose from with all the minidiscs and CDR’s between us. Gotta love that recordable digital technology! We stop to have lunch and grocery shop at the same time. I forget which town it was, though. Anyway, it was fun breaking off into groups responsible for different food items, and having a full-out raid on the store. I think we spent well over $300 on food. We get down to the park a bit after 6 PM. We’re totally speeding down the road to the entrance. I plopped in a minidisc with both Cyclone and Force Majeure on it and we listened to that on the home stretch. Those albums go very well with the surroundings. Vic was in the lead, and I was right behind him. Steve and I spotted some deer on the right side of the road. And if I didn't anticipate that they were going to dart in front of us, I don't think we would have been able to avoid them after going about 75 mph down the highway. Vic and I both hit the brakes and swerved a bit, and no deer or human was injured. I wonder what that looked like from the other cars? We get to the cottages, and are greeted by Lars Jones and Roger Smith. I met Lars a few years back when he was here in AZ, so they were both familiar faces for me. But Lars had more kids than when I last met him. :-) We got settled in and ate some dinner. We also got the musical gear set up in one of the cottages, and started jamming. I think most of it was just goofing around, but I can’t recall. I was surprised when Bill whipped out a Hawaiian-style slide guitar, and even more surprised at the un-Hawaiian sounds he made with it! :-) We end up staying up late listening to and discussing TD music (probably around 3AM). Saturday, April 21 – I actually get up earlier than I thought I would, got showered and stumbled over to the other cottage to grab some cereal. We decided to head out on motorboats today. We walked to the general store to make the rentals. As we were walking, we saw someone driving a black PT Cruiser. That’s odd, how many of those do you see around here? Oh well. We get back and we see the PT parked in front of one of our cottages. It turns out that’s Morgan Marks ’ car! At some point about that time, Jim rejoins us and we then head out on the boats. Unfortunately, there’s a lot more people in the park today than there was last year, so a lot of the wildlife was scared off, and traffic on the water was a bit more hazardous. We went out to Minnie’s Lake, and the other boat decides the clutch shouldn’t work any more, so we tow them back. It was quite challenging in some spots to navigate two attached boats through the trees. We also visited the now-famous Billy’s Island, which I didn’t get to see last year. When we return, we find that John and Peter of Airsculpture fame had arrived. I think this total number of nuts constitutes a mob. :-) They joined our musical set up with their compact Nord modulars and laptops. And we spent the early evening jamming and eating dinner. The alligator meat was quite tasty! This evening, I was wearing a t-shirt from Serial Experiments Lain, one of the anime shows I like to watch. I was quite surprised to find that Lars had seen Lain, and we talked about it for a bit. It’s nice that we can share other common interests besides TD. Later, we also had the raffle games with some TD and related goodies. I really enjoyed Roger’s “Name That Tune” and “Name That Film” games. I think Jim and I were the best players for those games. We should go head-to-head sometime and figure who the champion is! :-) With the way the games were set up, everyone was able to win some good stuff, so it was really a lot of fun all the way around. I ended up getting CDR’s of The 1999 Klangart show (listening to it as I write this), the Dresden 1983 show and FSP's and Ruud Heij’s performance at E-Live 2000 among other things. In the end, it was another late night. Sunday, April 22 – Today, we took a walk on the trail into the swamp. It was really neat walking on this elevated wooden walkway through the forest. I guess it’s to minimize the impact to the environment, and to keep the path from closing when the water levels rise. Also, all of the sudden, I was Lars’ sons’ best friend, walking hand-in-hand with them and talking with them. I’m sure Lars enjoyed the brief break. :-) That was a nice walk. We even saw a fawn hidden below us next to the boardwalk and snapped plenty of pics, much to the fawn’s dismay, I’m sure. I’m not remembering much of what we did after that. I think we just relaxed and chatted a bit… I should have used my minidisc recorder as an audio diary, but oh well… This evening, we ended up playing our main show at the museum. That was a lot of fun. We even had some strangers come in and check out what we were doing for a little while before they were scared off! One couple was actually from Scottsdale, AZ and chatted with me briefly after they saw my address on my keyboard case. It was a good evening, up until I was to fulfill a request for my TD piano medley. I hadn’t really practiced it in a while, and succumbing to my nervousness, I ended up blowing it pretty bad. Everyone was really nice about it though, still somehow managing to enjoy it despite my screw-ups. I must redeem myself in the near future! We stayed up late again, discussing and listening to music. It was like a party every night! Monday, April 23 – I get woken up by a hug. Huh?? I blink my sleepy eyes a couple of times, and I see Lars’ sons right there in my face telling me goodbye. So I sit up a bit and hug them back. I guess that means it’s time for the Jones family to head home. After breakfast and all that stuff, we head out on the water again to explore different parts of the swamp. We also go back to Billy’s Island. This time, we notice a young owl inside the fenced-in cemetary. It looks like it's stuck in there! We also hear mom hooting in the distance, and eventually catch sight of her in the trees nearby. She’s huge! I start walking towards her to try to get a decent picture, and her call changes tone, sounding more urgent, maybe as a warning not to come closer. I center her in my viewfinder, and half expect her to dive at me. Unfortunately, she didn’t. That would have made an excellent photograph! :-) We get back to the park and have our final performance together. This time, we’re playing outside under the picnic shelter. It was a loud show too! We had to counter the extra noise coming from some of the equipment, so we cranked up the volume. My right ear was actually slightly numb when it was done. The first track utilized some excellent samples of a certain person’s snoring, and Lars’ kids screaming. It was humorous when we first heard it, but it took on a more dark and mystical feel when we actually performed the piece. It will probably be called “Wildlife in Okefenokee” or something like that… After we packed up our gear, we head for the boat docks for an early evening cruise on the water. The last little bit of daylight was just about gone. We took a big pontoon boat out on the open water near the park and just drifted in the breeze with the engine off. It was really neat hearing all the night noises, and spotting alligators with our flashlights. We all try to sit nice and quiet as we look around, cuz Bill was recording the night sounds with his minidisc. Man, I knew I should have sprung for the mini binaural mics I've been wanting to get for my minidisc. I regretted not doing that. I bet Bill got some good recordings with his. I'll do that next year. When we were heading back, there was a big, bright satellite passing through the sky. I don't think it was the ISS, but I could be wrong, as it was about the biggest one I've ever seen. After dinner, we had the last late-night party of the trip. John and Peter had to turn in early so they could get back to Atlanta in time. So we bid them good night. They were certainly nice guys, and very good musicians. It’s very impressive how they could get those small Nords to do so much. I made a note to check out one of their CD’s, and just ordered “Thunderhead” from Groove. Bill had to turn in early as well, but I didn’t realize he had to leave early. Duhhh, he had to drive back to Pennsylvania! I don't think I gave him a proper farewell. At least I remembered to write in his book before he turned in. I think it was about 3:30 or 4 AM before I went to bed. I was sooo tired! Tuesday, April 24 – I get up around 8:30 or 9 AM. I wanted to be out by about 10 originally. Oh well, no shower this morning... Steve and I end up heading out about 11 AM after bidding the others remaining goodbye. No worries though, since my flight wasn’t until 6 PM. We drove straight to Atlanta, and dropped the PA system off before heading back to the airport. There was a rain storm that seemed to just hang over the airport area. We got checked in for our respective flights, and I got to my gate as they were boarding the flight. Steve and I parted ways and I boarded the 767. This is the largest plane I’ ve ever been on. It was nice and open inside with the dual aisles. We ended up sitting on the ground for quite a while, waiting on the airplane food. I was so tired, that I didn’t do much reading, but I did listen to TD minidiscs all the way back. I even dozed off for a while. I got back to Phoenix only about 15 minutes late, so that wasn’t too bad. As we were deplaning, a lady that was sitting nearby asked me about the strange little machine I was listening to. So I proceeded to tell her some of the wonders of minidisc. I tell ya, they really need to do some more marketing here. Minidiscs are too good to remain virtually unknown to America. Oh well. And thus ends my accounts of the this year’s Okefenokee gathering. It was great getting to meet up with all the other original swamp nuts, and to meet everyone else that joined us this year. It’s great being able to put faces and voices with the names. I’m sure I missed some details, but hopefully that will be covered by other attendees’ stories. It was indeed a wonderful time for all, and hopefully next year’s attendance will continue with an even bigger group of nuts! :-) Who knows, maybe this will someday mutate into a full-out EM fest rivalling E-Live or Alfa Centauri (yeah, right!). :-) I hope you enjoyed reading this. Dave B. From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Sun Apr 29, 2001 7:30 pm Subject: Feldon Feldon!! Hi I just talked to Vic and now i want to get in touch with 'feldon feldon'. If you read this, please send me a mail, feldon. Thanks Totta [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26831 Re: Feldon Feldon!! Feldon Feldon Sun 4/29/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Sun Apr 29, 2001 8:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Feldon Feldon!! Well, my name is Morgan, and I went to the Okefenokee 2001 event. And my public name on tadream was often 'Feldon Feldon' -Morgan At 09:30 PM 4/29/2001 +0200, you wrote: >Hi > >I just talked to Vic and now i want to get in touch with 'feldon feldon'. >If you read this, please send me a mail, feldon. >Thanks > >Totta > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 7:24 am Subject: Shepherds Bush Concert Hi all, Only a few days more to wait now.... Below is the latest list of people going. I am bringing some goodies with me and some of the people on this list have already contacted me for exchanges. Anyone else who is interested in exchanging stuff before or after the concert please contact me off list as soon as possible and I will send a list of what I'm offering. Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) Craig Cordrey (UK) Daniel Fishman (UK) David Foster (UK) Dennis Nigbur (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Glynn Naughton (France) Heiko Heerssen (Germany) Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) Jakub (Polish, lives in UK) James Williams + 1 friend (UK) Janet Wojtecki + 1 (UK) Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) Klaus Beschorner & Antony (Germany) Larry Poulton + son (13yrs) (UK) Lawry Simm (USA) Marion & husband (Dave) (UK) Matthew Stringer (UK) Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Ray (UK) Richard (UK?) Richard Cunningham, son Paul & friend Andy King (UK) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Steve Jenkins (UK) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26872 Re: Shepherds Bush Concert wyslannik@y... Fri 5/4/2001 2 KB 26962 Shepherds Bush Concert NEUMANN.H-J@t... Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB 26963 Shepherds Bush Concert NEUMANN.H-J@t... Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB From: Jesús Gálvez Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 10:57 am Subject: Reply:TD athems Hi all! Well,this is my TD athems in Lp´s and singles: Lp´s 1969-1973 Zeit 1973-1977 Rubycon 1977-1980 Force Majeure 1980-1985 Tangram 1986-1988 Underwater Sunlight 1988-1992 Optical Race 1992-2001 Seven Letters from Tibet Singles 1969-1973 The birth of the liquid Plejades 1973-1977 Sequence C 1977-1980 Force Majeure 1980-1985 Hyperborea 1986-1988 Song´s Whale 1988-1992 Ghazal 1992-2001 The red Blood Connection ...but...it´s very difficult to choose!!!.(Fly&collision...,Atem,Wanh,Phaedra,Rubycon 2,Ricochet 2,Invisible Limits,Bent Cold Sidewalk,Quixotte 1,Exit,White Eagle,No man´s Land,Tangents,Le Parc...) Regards, Jesús Gálvez hyperborea@t... From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:24 am Subject: TD athems Actually I find this topic of TD anthems kind of amusing in that they wrote very little if anything that could be considered an anthem in the traditional sense of the meaning....not even close. Especially in the early years... we're just going through favorite pieces from different eras, really. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Derk Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 4:37 pm Subject: Thief on Ebay What's so rare about this item? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426655602 Am I missing something? Derk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26836 Re: Thief on Ebay Sean Montgomery Mon 4/30/2001 2 KB 26838 Re: Thief on Ebay PERGAMON Mon 4/30/2001 4 KB 26839 Re: Thief on Ebay Totta Rydqvist Mon 4/30/2001 5 KB 26841 Re: Thief on Ebay PERGAMON Tue 5/1/2001 6 KB 26842 Re: Thief on Ebay Totta Rydqvist Tue 5/1/2001 7 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay Derk wrote: > What's so rare about this item? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426655602 Nothing rare about it. You can order it from CDNow for 14 bucks. The high bidder is a sucker. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 5:29 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Thief on Ebay Too right, even I can pick it up in a record shop in France which is saying something... Paul ---------- >De : Sean Montgomery >Ŕ : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay >Date : Lun 30 avr 2001 19:08 > > > > Derk wrote: > >> What's so rare about this item? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426655602 > > Nothing rare about it. You can order it from CDNow for 14 bucks. The high > bidder is a sucker. > > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay Hi all actually if my memory srves me correct, isn't there 2 versions of thief???? I seem to recall seeing to vinyl-versions, with exact same music but with different tracknames (1 or 2), can anyone confirm this?????+ Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Fellows To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:29 PM Subject: Re : [tadream] Thief on Ebay Too right, even I can pick it up in a record shop in France which is saying something... Paul ---------- >De : Sean Montgomery >Ŕ : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay >Date : Lun 30 avr 2001 19:08 > > > > Derk wrote: > >> What's so rare about this item? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426655602 > > Nothing rare about it. You can order it from CDNow for 14 bucks. The high > bidder is a sucker. > > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay Hi I got both and there is adifferent Both got 8 tracks, and it looks like this Cd 1:Beach Theme 2.Dr Destructo 3.Diamond diary 4.Burning bar 5.Beach scene 6.Scrap yard 7.Trap feeling 8.Igneous Lp side 1 1:Beach Theme 2.Dr Destructo 3.Diamond diary 4.Burning bar Lp side 2 5.Scrap yard 6.Trap feeling 7.Igneous 8.Confrontation So there is a different, hope you are sattisfied Totta PERGAMON wrote: > Hi all > > actually if my memory srves me correct, isn't there 2 versions of thief???? I seem to recall seeing to vinyl-versions, with exact same music but with different tracknames (1 or 2), can anyone confirm this?????+ > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Fellows > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:29 PM > Subject: Re : [tadream] Thief on Ebay > > Too right, even I can pick it up in a record shop in France which is saying > something... > > Paul > > ---------- > >De : Sean Montgomery > >Ŕ : tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Objet : Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay > >Date : Lun 30 avr 2001 19:08 > > > > > > > > > Derk wrote: > > > >> What's so rare about this item? > >> > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426655602 > > > > Nothing rare about it. You can order it from CDNow for 14 bucks. The high > > bidder is a sucker. > > > > > > -- > > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD anthems. Colin: > Hello everyone. Thought i would put my Td anthems from their different > eras on site. > pre 1974 Origin of supernatural probabilities > 74-77 Rubycon part 1 > 78-79 Cloudburst flight > 80-85 Poland(but so many gems to choose from). > 86-87 Song of the whale part 1 > 88-89 Too hot for my chinchilla > 90-91 electric lion > 92-95 girls on broadway > 96-01 Astrophobia I'm still not a completist with all TD eras, so I can't put up my TD anthems. But I'm pleased to see you list some of my all time favorites, like 'Poland' and 'Electric Lion.' I absolutely LOVE both these pieces. 'Electric Lion' is a good mixture of whimsical, downright majestic piece. One of TD's alltime best, in my half-formed opinion. Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Tue May 1, 2001 12:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay Hi Totta Thanks!!!!!! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Totta Rydqvist To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay Hi I got both and there is adifferent Both got 8 tracks, and it looks like this Cd 1:Beach Theme 2.Dr Destructo 3.Diamond diary 4.Burning bar 5.Beach scene 6.Scrap yard 7.Trap feeling 8.Igneous Lp side 1 1:Beach Theme 2.Dr Destructo 3.Diamond diary 4.Burning bar Lp side 2 5.Scrap yard 6.Trap feeling 7.Igneous 8.Confrontation So there is a different, hope you are sattisfied Totta PERGAMON wrote: > Hi all > > actually if my memory srves me correct, isn't there 2 versions of thief???? I seem to recall seeing to vinyl-versions, with exact same music but with different tracknames (1 or 2), can anyone confirm this?????+ > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Fellows > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:29 PM > Subject: Re : [tadream] Thief on Ebay > > Too right, even I can pick it up in a record shop in France which is saying > something... > > Paul > > ---------- > >De : Sean Montgomery > >Ŕ : tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Objet : Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay > >Date : Lun 30 avr 2001 19:08 > > > > > > > > > Derk wrote: > > > >> What's so rare about this item? > >> > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426655602 > > > > Nothing rare about it. You can order it from CDNow for 14 bucks. The high > > bidder is a sucker. > > > > > > -- > > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Tue May 1, 2001 12:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay NOO problem Totta PERGAMON wrote: > Hi Totta > > Thanks!!!!!! > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Totta Rydqvist > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:47 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay > > Hi > > I got both and there is adifferent > Both got 8 tracks, and it looks like this > Cd > 1:Beach Theme > 2.Dr Destructo > 3.Diamond diary > 4.Burning bar > 5.Beach scene > 6.Scrap yard > 7.Trap feeling > 8.Igneous > > Lp side 1 > 1:Beach Theme > 2.Dr Destructo > 3.Diamond diary > 4.Burning bar > Lp side 2 > 5.Scrap yard > 6.Trap feeling > 7.Igneous > 8.Confrontation > > So there is a different, hope you are sattisfied > > Totta > > PERGAMON wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > actually if my memory srves me correct, isn't there 2 versions of thief???? I seem to recall seeing to vinyl-versions, with exact same music but with different tracknames (1 or 2), can anyone confirm this?????+ > > > > Jan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Paul Fellows > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:29 PM > > Subject: Re : [tadream] Thief on Ebay > > > > Too right, even I can pick it up in a record shop in France which is saying > > something... > > > > Paul > > > > ---------- > > >De : Sean Montgomery > > >Ŕ : tadream@yahoogroups.com > > >Objet : Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay > > >Date : Lun 30 avr 2001 19:08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Derk wrote: > > > > > >> What's so rare about this item? > > >> > > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426655602 > > > > > > Nothing rare about it. You can order it from CDNow for 14 bucks. The high > > > bidder is a sucker. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > > > > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > > > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue May 1, 2001 1:08 pm Subject: [tadream] Dream Gallery Hi all, Thanks to all those people who have visited my site and hopefully found it useful, today the number of visitors passed the 10000 mark. Paul From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Tue May 1, 2001 3:30 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Dream Gallery Congrats on that one :o) Poul > Hi all, > > Thanks to all those people who have visited my site and hopefully found it > useful, today the number of visitors passed the 10000 mark. > > Paul From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue May 1, 2001 4:34 pm Subject: searching for a member sorry about that last mail slip up... i'm having trouble getting hold of a list member, glenn reinicke... any ideas on where he might be? or if he's left the list? thanks in advance j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue May 1, 2001 4:32 pm Subject: searching for a memebe --- Scott wrote: > Go to www.wintaper.com and download Wintaper. It's a great program for > catalogging fan tapes, but also contains a program for creating tape & CD > inserts that is so easy, yet makes such wonderful inserts, that it out to > cost much more. > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: Totta Rydqvist > To: tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 08, 2001 5:56 PM > Subject: Hi > > > >Hi > > > >Im looking for a site that contains coverart made by fans to fantapes > >and cdr's > >Do you know if there is such site ?? > > > >Looking forward to hear from you > > > >Tomas > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: Katarinakat19@a... Date: Sat Apr 28, 2001 12:34 am Subject: AYERS ROCK POSTER Hi All - I would very much like to find poster(most likely titled 'The Night at Ayers Rock.') Supposedly it was included in an album. Don't know what year. It has a Fender Stratacaster coming out of a rock and animal-like people watching a concert. Definitely surreal. If anyone knows where I can obtain this, please 'e' me with info. I appreciate your anticipated help. Thank you so much,Karen Katarinakat19@a... From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sat Apr 28, 2001 10:44 pm Subject: Re Looking for 2 archived posts: Here's One On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:21:49 -0700 PENFOLD writes: > I've been tearing apart my room and home office looking for > two posts that were on this list. Both were for track listings for TD tape > compilations. > What I'm looking for: > > Track listing for the tapes > 'TD For Infidels'(TD sampler for introduction to people not > familiar with TD) and 'TD Rocks Your Socks Off' > (good fast-paced & possibly danceable TD music) > > thanks in advance Something is seriously wrong with Yahoo's search features and webring features, and many things are wrong with their adult categories (it is rumored that they are in the process of wiping them all out). Anyways, here's one of the two: ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 May 99 16:33:14 EDT From: Steven Feldman Subject: Tape for Introducing TD to Infidels To: Tangerine Dream mailing list Guys 'n' Gals, I just made the following tape for lending to people who are entirely unfamiliar with TD: SIDE A: 1) Charley the Kid 3:51 FIRESTARTER (1984) 2) Desire 5:35 HEARTBREAKERS (1984) 3) Dolphin Dance 5:05 UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT (1986) 4) Mae's Transformation 4:21 NEAR DARK (1987) 5) Mothers of Rain 5:13 OPTICAL RACE (1988) 6) Crystal Curfew 4:57 LILY ON THE BEACH (1989) 7) Dolls in the Shadow 5:10 MELROSE (1990) 8) Touchwood 4:23 ROCKOON (1992) 9) Catwalk 7:16 TYRANNY OF BEAUTY (1995) SIDE B: 10) Story of the Brave 5:17 TURN OF THE TIDES CD-single (1994) 11) Rockoon -- Special Radio Edit 4:16 ROCKOON CD-single (1992) 12) Rough Embrace 5:30 THE DREAM MIXES (1995) 13) Catwalk (Black Ink Mix) 8:12 THE [UK] DREAM MIXES (1995) 14) Towards the Evening Star 6:16 GOBLINS' CLUB (1996) 15) Digital Sister 7:10 TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II (1997) 16) Propeller Beach 5:32 THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS, PT. I (1998) 17) In the Distant Shore 4:16 THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS, PT. II (1998) This stuff fits with about 45 seconds to spare on each side of a 90 minute tape if you make sure there's no extra space between the tracks. Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. SOME CURRENT E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, R. Carty, Redshift, Ozrics, Serrie +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | TD DISCOGRAPHY http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/tadream2.html | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue May 1, 2001 6:21 pm Subject: ATTENTION Hi all, at this moment is my Fan Homepage and MY AUCTION not AVAILABLE, I don`t know WHY??? I think it is a Server problem. Sorry. I will let you know when it is available. I hope very soon. Regards Heiko from Burg/Germany www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue May 1, 2001 7:39 pm Subject: ATTENTION 2 Hi all, my Homepage worked again, please look at: http://www.opticaldream.de or to my auction: http://www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm Bye heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue May 1, 2001 10:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] searching for a member Try this one glennr@f... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'j.gordon' To: Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:34 AM Subject: [tadream] searching for a member > sorry about that last mail slip up... > > i'm having trouble getting hold of a list member, glenn reinicke... > > any ideas on where he might be? or if he's left the list? > > thanks in advance > > j.gordon > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26855 Re: searching for a member j.gordon Thu 5/3/2001 4 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed May 2, 2001 11:27 am Subject: Shepherds Bush Info Hello there, OK folks, the concert is getting close, so here are some points that might be of interest. Transport --------- Presumably most people are coming on the Saturday and staying till Sunday. In which case you should get a Weekend Travelcard, which covers you for all London transport for the two days. Which zones you need the travelcard to cover will depend on how you're getting there and where you intend going. For example, if you're coming via Heathrow you'll probably want a Zones 1-6 card. See the following link for the zones' setup: http://www.thetube.com/content/tubemap/images/zm_map.jpg Getting there ------------- Turn right out of Shepherd Bush station (Central Line), walk under the bridge and keep going with Shepherds Bush Green on your left. When you reach the end of the green you'll see Harveys (former Moon on the Green) on your right. The venue is also at this end of the green, right next to the big blue bingo hall over to the left. Hotels ------ The following two hotels are about 1 minute's walk from the Empire (on the other side of the green to Harvey's), so anyone who hasn't yet booked a room or wants to change their current booking for one that's more convenient might like to try them. (Prices: 35UKP single, 60UKP double). Grantly Hotel [0044] (0)20 8743 7903 Her Majesty's Hotel [0044] (0)20 8746 2191 Other things to do if you have time ----------------------------------- The online version of Time Out, the London listings magazine, is at www.timeout.com, and tells you everything that's going on. I would have suggested a trip to the Mechanical Caberet (inspiration for the Zoo of Tranquillity album) in Covent Garden, but it's moved to Southend, alas (the MC, not Convent Garden!). Covent Garden is a great Sunday morning kind of place, but foreigners in particular might like to check out Speakers' Corner (northeast corner of Hyde Park). On Sunday mornings, various lunatics with extreme political or religious views gather to deliver their rants. The speakers themselves are usually boring nutters, but it's great fun when you get good hecklers. I've seen really good hecklers reduce speakers to tears and cause them to give up. It's all very eccentrically English and can be terrific entertainment. Or how about this for something offbeat: as most TDers are also Pink Floyd fans, you might like to check out their studio in Brittania Row, Islington (10 minutes' walk from Angel tube station). Brit Row is a cramped, shabby little street and you would never know the studio was there unless you had been forewarned. It's the 'St James Mission Hall', building, a typical Victorian former church hall. Look very closely through the windows and you can see the walls hung with artwork from Floyd albums. I always find it amazing that this collosally successful group that has sold zillions of records operates from such a nondescript and anonymous base. And who knows, if you knock on the door, maybe Dave, Rick or Nick will be home ;-) OK, that's all I can think of. See you all a week on Saturday. Glynn From: horrod6 Date: Wed May 2, 2001 5:46 pm Subject: What I did on my holidays (Oke2001) Now Dave's broken the ice, I thought I'd add my impressions of the Okefenokee trip, Swampfest or '2nd annual international festival of electronic swamp music' - as we rather highfalutingly called it on the flyer for the museum concert. This is an incredibly long post (I got carried away), so for those of you who are pressed for time, here are the high points in no particular order: - it was fun - I had a great time - the music was brilliant: special mention for the 'environmental' piece featuring wildlife noises (you'll have to read the piece to get the joke). I haven't written much about the music, you'll just have to wait for the CD - the fellow attendees were fantastic - the locals were extraordinarily friendly and helpful - the food was wonderful: special mentions for Roger's alligator chowder and Morgan's Texas chili - the swamp is beautiful - the wildlife is plentiful: special mention for Marcel's fox-taming act - the weather was just right (hot and sunny by day, cool by night) - the cabins were comfortable and well-appointed, although to sleep the specified number means some people sharing double beds or sleeping on couches and foldaways - I must remember to take insect repellant and drawing materials next time - America is just like the movies (well, the bits of America I saw, anyway) Thursday does not begin well for me - no day that starts at 3 a.m. can be said to start well! Add to that a cancelled flight to Amsterdam meaning that I would miss my connection to Atlanta and a two-hour queue to get re-routed and you might have started to feel that this trip was doomed. The queue is particularly nasty, as I have just been diagnosed with CFS and standing for more than about ten minutes is difficult. Luckily I planned ahead, knowing what airport queues are like, and borrowed a walking stick to lean on. I start to wish I'd accepted my friend's offer of a combined stick and folding chair! Once I know my revised e.t.a., the next problem is how to let other people know. I had planned to meet Dave and Steve at the airport and drive with them to Vic's. Now I'll be arriving five hours later than them. I have all the phone numbers, but it will only be 6 a.m. in Atlanta by the time I get ready to board, and I really don't think a phone call would be welcome. So I call my trusty sidekick (husband Dave), and ask him to phone Dave B, Steve and Vic (as backstop) at a reasonable time. However, after this things start getting better. A couple of brandies in the airport bar restore my perspective, and I sit and read my Georgia guide-book until it's time to board. The connection at Charles de Gaulle (Paris) is extremely tight, so there's a rather surreal scramble across the airport involving a bus, the back stairs, and a very helpful (and, thankfully, English-speaking) frenchman. Finally I make the Atlanta plane, only to be pleasantly surprised to find that I've been upgraded to business class (it would have cost me an extra Ł1,000 if I'd paid for it). After champagne, a gourmet meal with wine, and coffee and brandy, I compose myself to doze in the wonderfully roomy and comfortable seat. I surface in time to watch the view as we fly down the line of the Appalachians. There's Atlanta - what a lot of trees! How big the airport is, and how confusing the procedures. Here's my luggage - now they want it back again!? Now get the train across the airport. Here's my luggage again - I get to keep it this time. Now find a working payphone and call Vic - wish I'd upgraded the mobile so I could use it over here. Find one at last. Vic is expecting my call (Dave managed to get hold of him), and gives nice calm, clear instructions: I catch the MARTA (subway) across the city to where he will pick me up for the drive to Roswell. At last - Vic's house, a lovely warm welcome from Natasha and Patrick, Vic's wife and son (who gave up his room for me - what a gentleman), and Bill who has just arrived. Vic's 'section' looks like something from the cinema - I'm particularly reminded of the opening shots of 'Edward Scissorhands'. Inside, the house is spacious and homelike, full of family photos and quirky individuality (and of course, an entire room given over to Vic's TD collection). I'm just getting comfortable when the rest of the guys (Marcel, Frank, Dave, Steve, and Tom) arrive back from their meal. Tom, purveyor of all things beer-shaped, opens up his coolbox, and we sit around drinking beer, watching videos of last year, talking music and comparing journey times. Although I've been on the go the longest (roughly 24 hours between getting up this morning and arriving at Vic's) I reckon Bill's 16 hour drive wins in the determination stakes - at least I got to rest in comfort. Finally I slope off to bed at what my body is telling me is breakfast time. I wake surprisingly early on Friday - jetlag does have some benefits (because of the CFS I usually sleep 10-12 hours a night). I get my name down for the shower queue and sit around drinking tea. Bill rustles up some eggs and is instantly declared breakfast chef for the entire expedition (that was before we'd tried Morgan's omelettes). Considering the logistics we make a remarkably early start. I get to ride in Vic's BMW (and pick the in-car entertainment). Trying to keep his eye on a convoy of four vehicles in the Atlanta traffic is giving Vic a headache, so I pick something soothing. The scene in the music shop when eight of us troop in to collect the equipment Vic has arranged to hire is fun. It takes quite a while to sort out the paperwork, so people are noodling about on the various keyboards that are on display: it starts to sound good. The guy from the drum department next door keeps popping in and out - I don't know whether he is trying to work out if we're anybody famous, checking that we aren't damaging anything, enjoying the music, or hoping to sell us something. Finally, after a brief stop at a liquor store, we're off. This is my first trip to America, so I'm all eyes. Vic is an excellent tour guide, despite continuing stress from trying to keep the convoy together. Next year we need walkie talkies! We stop for a burger, and then go to the supermarket. Vic and I try to ensure that a healthy supply of fruit and vegetables are loaded, whilst other people shoot off with missions to get breakfast stuff, meat etc. Total chaos ensues, but we finally arrive at the checkout with three trolleys full of grub. Vic's eyes nearly pop out of his head when he sees the size of the bill! Stowing everything in cars already full of personal luggage, equipment and beer proves something of a puzzle, but we get there eventually. Now for the last leg of the journey. We pass through Valdosta, where, due to a diversion, I'm treated to a textbook view of life literally on the 'wrong side of the tracks' - a street of tumbledown one-room shacks, with screened in porches, people idly rocking and chatting in the afternoon sun, kids playing in the earth-floored yards, all facing out onto the unfenced railway line. I get a good look, as we're held up for about ten minutes waiting for a several-miles long train to pass. I thought places like this only existed in films! Now we're onto country roads, and Vic requests Cyclone - it's already become a tradition to play that on the final leg. We pass through 'two-pump towns' (have I got that right?), meet up with suicidal deer, and finally arrive, somewhat later than planned (this becomes the theme for the entire weekend). Roger, Lars and his two stunningly gorgeous sons, Burnell and Kieron, are already here. (Before you get the wrong idea I'd better point out that the boys are around four and five!) The initial view of the swamp is impressive - tall, spindly cypress trees, spanish moss, low palm-like plants (palmetto?). During the four days I saw deer, alligators, turtles, squirrels, a fox, raccoons, a barred owl, a huge hawk, an even huger heron (it's true, everything IS bigger in America!), woodpeckers, several other spectacular birds I don't know the names of... Many of the critters wander around near the cabins at night or in the early morning - but not the alligators, DG. One night, Marcel persuaded a very shy fox to approach to within inches of him, simply by keeping very still and quiet down on one knee: this despite the noise from 15 other people partying in the cottages on either side of him. The raccoons just ignored us altogether and wandered around in the evening hoping to pick up anything we'd dropped near the barbecue, passing within a few feet of us with no sign of discomfiture. Feeding the animals is forbidden, and rightly so - if they get used to coming to people for food they're not wild any more - so we resisted the temptation, and also cleared up after ourselves thoroughly so there was nothing to scavenge - sorry, raccoons! The cottages are very well appointed. Bill and I grab the room with two single beds - Bill on the grounds that this way he'll only keep one person awake with his snoring, me on the grounds that, fond though I am becoming of them, I'm not prepared to share one of the double beds with any of the guys. The cottage with the dishwasher is designated the main cooking area, so Bill, Dave and Marcel set up their equipment in the other one. Beer appears. Roger produces pasta with a tasty venison sauce and we sit around listening to the musicians getting to know one another. I'm astonished by how quickly they start creating great sounds. More beer appears. We're all reduced to quivering, giggling wrecks by Bill's rendition of 'Dixie' (in the style of Jimi Hendrix's 'Star-spangled Banner'). More food appears. We chat and listen to the music. More beer appears. We go for a stroll in the dark and listen to the fogs. More beer appears. Finally I crash. Next morning I wake up early feeling full of energy for the first time in months. It's already pleasantly warm, so I go outside to do some T'ai Chi and get eaten alive by insects. Huh? Scottish insects (and our 'clegs' are infamous) only bite in the evening. Blast, I forgot the insect repellant. During breakfast (a lengthy feast) our numbers are augmented by the arrival of Jim and Morgan. Now we have Marx (Morgan) and Engels (Marcel). Perhaps we should name one of this year's tracks 'The critique of dialectical materialism'? There are now too many of us to fit into the motor boats we have booked, so Steve and I, who are raring to go, take a canoe. (I borrow someone else's insect repellant first!) It's a long time since I've done this, and both our experience is primarily in kayaks rather than Canadian-style canoes - I'm glad none of the others are around to see our early efforts as we career all over the waterways. It's Saturday, so the water is busy and the wildlife is sensibly hiding away - apart from the alligators, who have no reason to be nervous of us! However, our slow, quiet progress (once I remember how not to keep bashing the side of the canoe with my paddle) and frequent stops to look around and listen to the swamp sounds, probably means that we see and hear more than most. Drat - I left my camera in the cottage: luckily Steve has his and promises to share his pics. There are water lilies everywhere: we 'park' in a clump to rest and snack. Two deer appear - also snacking (on the water lilies). We cruise back down the narrow waterway, assisted by the current. It's narrow and fast flowing, but we're really starting to paddle as a team now (Steve has been giving me hints on technique) and we only brush against a couple of trees: this is fun! Other water-users are unfailingly courteous: I can't get used to the 'Sir's, 'Ma'am's and 'Hi, y'all's - I thought this way of talking was a caricature that was only found in films. I'm beginning to learn that America is just like the movies! On the water the insects aren't bad, but I remember to stop off in the shop to buy some repellant. We arrive back in the mid-afternoon to find Pete and John (two thirds of Air Sculpture) have been sitting waiting for us on the porch for some time - luckily someone thought to leave them a note. Vic, ever the courteous host, takes them off for an introduction to the swamp in one of the motor boats. With TD playing on somebody's boombox, Frank makes burgers which Tom barbecues. Others chop pickles, wash lettuce etc. and I'm treated to my first REAL home-style American burger (it's great). I sit in a rocker on the porch, smoking a cigarette, listening to the music and the chatter and feel extrordinarily relaxed. After a while, I hear a strange thumping noise. Going to investigate, I find Steve beating seven skittles of you-know-what out of some meat with a baseball bat. He's tenderising the alligator tail with which Roger is going to make alligator chowder for tonight. Meanwhile, Tom is recharging the other barbecue ready to cook steaks - or was it pork chops? We ate so much, especially meat, that one meal blurs into another. Mind you, one meal really DID blur into another: there seemed to be a permanent buffet from mid-afternoon to midnight, with Roger producing something tasty and exotic on the stove top, Tom barbecuing away like a demon, Vic making salad, and the rest of us chipping in wherever a hand was needed or producing our own specialities, of which Morgan's Texas chili is definitely the most memorable! (Special note: I did NO cooking, apart from the occasional stirring of a saucepan or anointing of something on the barbecue - thanks guys!) Vic says he's very impressed: I'm first up and have been paddling a canoe for most of the day, but I'm still full of beans despite the CFS. I tell him what friends with the condition have always told me - I can do pretty much what I like today (although I did wilt a bit towards the end of the canoe trip and poor Steve had to do most of the work on the last leg), but I know I will have to pay for it later. If I can only defer payment until Tuesday, or even better Thursday, I shall be very happy. John and Pete get back, and set up their equipment remarkably speedily. Once again, I'm astonished at how quickly the musicians all 'mesh' and start producing good improvised sounds - the only discussion I was aware of was a rather despairing 'does somebody want to choose a tempo?' when the first piece didn't seem to be getting off the ground. After that, a modus vivendi was quickly reached. Time for the goodie bag. I do NOT distinguish myself in the 'name that tune' or 'name that film' competition despite Marcel muttering assistance in my ear: I usually listen to the music without looking at the titles. I long to see Dave and Jim go head-to-head in a champions league match (if only because if they're excluded from the main competition the rest of us might get a look-in)! I do manage to come away with some treats from the draw, including the other CD of Marcel and Heij playing at e-live (embarrassing Marcel by demanding he autograph it). After that comes trading, both of our winnings from the goodie bag and of a tiny sub-section of Lars's 'tradables' collection, plus hilariously desperate salesmanship from Lars trying to dispose of the 'Dino' CD he got in the draw. Kudos to Roger for making up the competition CDs and to Vic for running the show (and, grudgingly, to Dave and Jim for knowing their stuff). For some strange reason the end of the evening is somewhat fuzzy in my memory, but I made it to bed eventually. Next morning, I'm one of the first up again. I spray very thouroughly with insect repellant this time, then go out to enjoy the morning light with a cup of tea and a cigarette. I'm joined by Bill: we are both in stitches at Roger's incredible snoring. He's sleeping on the porch, ostensibly so he can watch the early morning wildlife but really to get his extraordinary vocal and nasal apparatus as far away from everybody else as possible. So that's why John, who had originally intended to sleep on the porch too, is now on the kitchen floor! Bill fetches his minidisc to record this astonishing sound, then adds (in a pseudo David Attenborough whisper) 'and that is a magnificent example of the wildlife sounds to be heard here in the Okefenokee'. I say that they should use it as the baseline for a piece of music. The amazing breakfast show begins again, with people frantically chopping ham, onions and mushrooms, grating cheese, pouring juice, toasting bread, making coffee etc. and Morgan presiding over all as he turns out one omelette after another, all to a soundtrack of beautiful EM. Morgan and Frank head off into Florida for a shopping expedition. The rest of us slap on hats, slop on the suntan lotion, spray on the repellant (again) and go for a walk. The antics of the boys with 'uncles' Dave and Marcel have us in tucks. We explain to the 'uncles' how attractive girls find men who are good with children. They don't seem to believe us. We see a beautiful fawn, nestling in the grass right by the side of the boardwalk, as well as numerous frogs and lizards, and exotic (well they are to me) plants. On the way back we descend on the shop for mementos and presents to take home. I buy seven hats for my roleplay gaming buddies (it's a tradition - but what will they think in customs?) and one for myself - tangerine coloured, of course! Marcel kindly writes my postcard in Dutch for me (it's going to an avid postcard collector friend in the Netherlands). We spend the rest of the day lazing around chatting, listening to various EM artists on the boombox, preparing food, and eating. The rangers have kindly allowed us to take over the museum and interpretive center tonight for a concert. We plan, and I letter, a flyer for the concert, which Vic gets the rangers' permission to put on the notice board. It's not exactly high art - one black pen and a sheet of A4 is kinda limited: memo to self - next time take at least a pencil and ruler. Now its time to set up for the concert. Several of the guys are very interested in the equipment, and keen to act as 'roadies', so I leave them to it (out of the goodness of my heart, you understand). I wander down to the museum to find Pete using his tiny PC to record the kids screaming. Kieron screams so loud that he frightens himself! The gear is all on stage and techy/muso stuff is going on, so I start rearranging the furniture in the audience area. Somewhat later than anticipated, we are ready to start: but first we have to go outside and try to spot the space station, which is supposed to be visible tonight. No joy - probably too many trees to see it at a low angle. The flyer seems to have worked - although the park is quiet on a Sunday night, we have five people turn up. One of them even stays until the second piece. We have a great time, then break down the gear, move it back to the cottages and start eating again! We're listening to a recording of the music from the first night: I'm really sleepy, but I don't want to miss this. Then Bill comes up with a brilliant idea - put his minidisc (on which he has been recording _everything_) on the table between our beds, plug in two sets of headphones, and we can listen as we drift off to sleep. This has to be one of my best memories: lying in the dark, literally connected to Bill by the headphone cables, and feeling connected to everybody else by the music. Thanks Bill! Next morning we have the breakfast show again, then head out in the motor boats. We can travel further than we did by canoe, and the water is less busy, so we see more. Frank is enviably good at spotting alligators. I get lots of photographs of places where a turtle was a minute ago. I discover that I am 'way down upon the Suwannee river' (or rather, way UP - in the headwaters). We visit Billy's Island (named for a Seminole chief called Billy Bowlegs - honest) where the incident with the owlet occurs (see Dave's post). With Dave being so skinny, I had visions of the protective mama owl flying off with him dangling from her talons. After eating, it's time to set up for the final concert, outdoors in the picnic area. I'm finally starting to feel the effects of doing too much, so I go for a snooze while the guys set up. Now we come to the only organisational failure of the whole Swampfest - Vic forgot to come and wake me when they were ready to start playing (somewhat later than anticipated, naturally) so I missed the comic highlight of the trip, although I heard a recording later, natch - several times. John and Pete wanted to do an ambient environmental track, so the artists cooked up a piece involving the bullfrogs and cicadas Bill had recorded late at night and early in the morning, Pete's recording of Burnell and Kieron screaming, Roger's snores and Bill's commentary. Roger laughed till it hurt, and everybody else was in hysterics too. Somewhere in the middle of this Pete's wife Debbie appeared - I don't know what she thought of all these crazies rolling around laughing their socks off. Meantime, Vic has inveigled the Ranger (a very nice lady called Barbara) into arranging for us to go out on the tour boat after dark. Despite a very fast break down of the kit, we are of course somewhat later than anticipated in being ready for this. A rather bemused intern navigates us out into the main waterway, then switches off the engine. As we drift back towards the ranger station, we all stay very quiet and watch the beautiful starry sky while Bill records the night sounds over the water, then we use flashlights for a bit of alligator spotting: their eyes reflect red - very spooky! Then it was back to the cottages for more food, and a noble attempt to finish off the beer. Finally there is only Hamms left - Tom has warned me off it, but I see that he's drinking it so I risk it. Frank seems to find this incredibly funny and keeps saying something about 'beerhammer' which doesn't translate into Brit. Next morning, I manage to wake up enough to say goodbye to the early departers, then go back to sleep. Next thing I know someone's hammering on the door - we have an hour to get up and leave. The breakfast show is underway in the 'cooking' cottage, so we clear up the other one. The dishwasher is going non-stop as we try and sort out the crockery, cutlery and cookware which has all migrated into one cottage, and the glasses which have all migrated into the other one - how strange. Finally (somewhat later than anticipated) the diehards - Vic, Tom, Frank, Marcel and myself - are ready to leave. Everybody wants to ride in the BMW, but I bag the first stretch. We drive the country roads with the top down and Cyclone playing - so cool. It proves impossible to keep to the speed limit with Madrigal Meridian blasting out. Then I move to the back seat of Tom's Buick with its wonderful sound system, and crash out. We're all pretty bushed by the time we get to Vic's, but we investigate his CD collection and talk music for a while before crashing. Next day, poor Vic has to go to work. Tom heads off fairly early - he still has a three-hour drive ahead of him and he's worried about the dog-sitter. (He was meant to be home last night, but was just too shattered to drive any further.) Marcel, Frank and I continue to investigate the CD collection and talk music while Natasha studies for her french test tomorrow. Then we drive to the MARTA station to drop the guys off to catch their flights (good job Natasha has an estate car). Natasha and I go shopping, and drive around some of the interesting areas of Roswell: it looks like countryside to me, but this is the 'burbs. I'm very envious. We pick up Patrick from school then I help Natasha a bit with her french. In the evening, Vic, Natasha and I go out for sushi - another first for me. They have lots of interesting things on the menu, including a 'viagra roll' - a semicircle of sushi rolls topped with various fish eggs, plus two strategically placed quail's eggs and an asparagus spear. Having watched the chef prepare one, we are very amused to see who ordered it - a tough-looking guy who's dining with _two_ very sexy young ladies. Next morning Vic has to work again, so we say goodbye before he heads off. I'm now really feeling the effect of Bill's cold, which he so kindly shared with us, so I don't feel like doing much. Natasha and I do some more work on her french, have something to eat, and then shop some more. She drops me off at the station and I begin the journey home. This time everything goes smoothly, although less comfortably (no upgrade - boo hoo). I have plenty of time at Schiphol to relive happy memories with a couple of old genevers and an uitschmitter (probably spelt that wrong). I arrive in Edinburgh mid-morning to be met by Dave (my hero!) who I proceed to bore to death by trying to tell him absolutely everything about the trip over a cup of coffee before heading for home. I leave a message for Vic and Natasha to tell them I've made it OK, then head for bed for the afternoon. I spend all day on Saturday and Sunday sleeping, and laze around all day on Monday, finally rejoining the human race on Tuesday. Thanks to the artists for sharing their music. Thanks to the drivers for getting us there. Thanks to the chefs for the wonderful food. Thanks to everybody for being such nice people. Thanks to Kieron and Burnell just for being themselves, and Lars for bringing them - and for enduring the rigours of camping: sweet though the boys are I'm not sure I coud have coped with them in the cottage first thing in the morning! Thanks to Steve for putting up with my rusty canoeing skills with kindness and patience. Thanks to Patrick for giving up his bed. Thanks to Natasha for coping with a houseful (and I mean _full_) of weirdo nerds - you should have seen her face when she found out that I too work with computers - playing music she doesn't like at all hours of the day and night. But most of all, thanks to Vic and Roger for having the idea and Vic for bringing it to fruition. If there is a way on God's earth I can manage it I'll be there next year, probably with spouse in tow. I urge you all to join us - especially any other females on the list. Don't be nervous, these are the good guys! LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26867 Re: What I did on my holidays (Oke2001) Synthhtnys@a... Fri 5/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Wed May 2, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] What I did on my holidays (Oke2001) Is it possible to have the short-version ;o) Or should I wait for the movieversion ;o) OK, only joking ............... Poul > Now Dave's broken the ice, I thought I'd add my impressions of the > Okefenokee trip, Swampfest or '2nd annual international festival of > electronic swamp music' - as we rather highfalutingly called it on the > flyer for the museum concert. > > This is an incredibly long post (I got carried away), so for those of > you who are pressed for time, here are the high points in no particular > order: > - it was fun > - I had a great time > - the music was brilliant: special mention for the 'environmental' piece > featuring wildlife noises (you'll have to read the piece to get the > joke). I haven't written much about the music, you'll just have to wait > for the CD > - the fellow attendees were fantastic > - the locals were extraordinarily friendly and helpful > - the food was wonderful: special mentions for Roger's alligator chowder > and Morgan's Texas chili > - the swamp is beautiful > - the wildlife is plentiful: special mention for Marcel's fox-taming act > - the weather was just right (hot and sunny by day, cool by night) > - the cabins were comfortable and well-appointed, although to sleep the > specified number means some people sharing double beds or sleeping on > couches and foldaways > - I must remember to take insect repellant and drawing materials next > time > - America is just like the movies (well, the bits of America I saw, > anyway) > > Thursday does not begin well for me - no day that starts at 3 a.m. can > be said to start well! Add to that a cancelled flight to Amsterdam > meaning that I would miss my connection to Atlanta and a two-hour queue > to get re-routed and you might have started to feel that this trip was > doomed. The queue is particularly nasty, as I have just been diagnosed > with CFS and standing for more than about ten minutes is difficult. > Luckily I planned ahead, knowing what airport queues are like, and > borrowed a walking stick to lean on. I start to wish I'd accepted my > friend's offer of a combined stick and folding chair! > > Once I know my revised e.t.a., the next problem is how to let other > people know. I had planned to meet Dave and Steve at the airport and > drive with them to Vic's. Now I'll be arriving five hours later than > them. I have all the phone numbers, but it will only be 6 a.m. in > Atlanta by the time I get ready to board, and I really don't think a > phone call would be welcome. So I call my trusty sidekick (husband > Dave), and ask him to phone Dave B, Steve and Vic (as backstop) at a > reasonable time. > > However, after this things start getting better. A couple of brandies in > the airport bar restore my perspective, and I sit and read my Georgia > guide-book until it's time to board. The connection at Charles de Gaulle > (Paris) is extremely tight, so there's a rather surreal scramble across > the airport involving a bus, the back stairs, and a very helpful (and, > thankfully, English-speaking) frenchman. Finally I make the Atlanta > plane, only to be pleasantly surprised to find that I've been upgraded > to business class (it would have cost me an extra Ł1,000 if I'd paid for > it). After champagne, a gourmet meal with wine, and coffee and brandy, I > compose myself to doze in the wonderfully roomy and comfortable seat. > > I surface in time to watch the view as we fly down the line of the > Appalachians. There's Atlanta - what a lot of trees! How big the airport > is, and how confusing the procedures. Here's my luggage - now they want > it back again!? Now get the train across the airport. Here's my luggage > again - I get to keep it this time. Now find a working payphone and call > Vic - wish I'd upgraded the mobile so I could use it over here. Find one > at last. Vic is expecting my call (Dave managed to get hold of him), and > gives nice calm, clear instructions: I catch the MARTA (subway) across > the city to where he will pick me up for the drive to Roswell. > > At last - Vic's house, a lovely warm welcome from Natasha and Patrick, > Vic's wife and son (who gave up his room for me - what a gentleman), and > Bill who has just arrived. Vic's 'section' looks like something from the > cinema - I'm particularly reminded of the opening shots of 'Edward > Scissorhands'. Inside, the house is spacious and homelike, full of > family photos and quirky individuality (and of course, an entire room > given over to Vic's TD collection). I'm just getting comfortable when > the rest of the guys (Marcel, Frank, Dave, Steve, and Tom) arrive back > from their meal. Tom, purveyor of all things beer-shaped, opens up his > coolbox, and we sit around drinking beer, watching videos of last year, > talking music and comparing journey times. Although I've been on the go > the longest (roughly 24 hours between getting up this morning and > arriving at Vic's) I reckon Bill's 16 hour drive wins in the > determination stakes - at least I got to rest in comfort. Finally I > slope off to bed at what my body is telling me is breakfast time. > > I wake surprisingly early on Friday - jetlag does have some benefits > (because of the CFS I usually sleep 10-12 hours a night). I get my name > down for the shower queue and sit around drinking tea. Bill rustles up > some eggs and is instantly declared breakfast chef for the entire > expedition (that was before we'd tried Morgan's omelettes). > > Considering the logistics we make a remarkably early start. I get to > ride in Vic's BMW (and pick the in-car entertainment). Trying to keep > his eye on a convoy of four vehicles in the Atlanta traffic is giving > Vic a headache, so I pick something soothing. The scene in the music > shop when eight of us troop in to collect the equipment Vic has arranged > to hire is fun. It takes quite a while to sort out the paperwork, so > people are noodling about on the various keyboards that are on display: > it starts to sound good. The guy from the drum department next door > keeps popping in and out - I don't know whether he is trying to work out > if we're anybody famous, checking that we aren't damaging anything, > enjoying the music, or hoping to sell us something. > > Finally, after a brief stop at a liquor store, we're off. This is my > first trip to America, so I'm all eyes. Vic is an excellent tour guide, > despite continuing stress from trying to keep the convoy together. Next > year we need walkie talkies! > > We stop for a burger, and then go to the supermarket. Vic and I try to > ensure that a healthy supply of fruit and vegetables are loaded, whilst > other people shoot off with missions to get breakfast stuff, meat etc. > Total chaos ensues, but we finally arrive at the checkout with three > trolleys full of grub. Vic's eyes nearly pop out of his head when he > sees the size of the bill! Stowing everything in cars already full of > personal luggage, equipment and beer proves something of a puzzle, but > we get there eventually. Now for the last leg of the journey. > > We pass through Valdosta, where, due to a diversion, I'm treated to a > textbook view of life literally on the 'wrong side of the tracks' - a > street of tumbledown one-room shacks, with screened in porches, people > idly rocking and chatting in the afternoon sun, kids playing in the > earth-floored yards, all facing out onto the unfenced railway line. I > get a good look, as we're held up for about ten minutes waiting for a > several-miles long train to pass. I thought places like this only > existed in films! > > Now we're onto country roads, and Vic requests Cyclone - it's already > become a tradition to play that on the final leg. We pass through > 'two-pump towns' (have I got that right?), meet up with suicidal deer, > and finally arrive, somewhat later than planned (this becomes the theme > for the entire weekend). Roger, Lars and his two stunningly gorgeous > sons, Burnell and Kieron, are already here. (Before you get the wrong > idea I'd better point out that the boys are around four and five!) > > The initial view of the swamp is impressive - tall, spindly cypress > trees, spanish moss, low palm-like plants (palmetto?). During the four > days I saw deer, alligators, turtles, squirrels, a fox, raccoons, a > barred owl, a huge hawk, an even huger heron (it's true, everything IS > bigger in America!), woodpeckers, several other spectacular birds I > don't know the names of... Many of the critters wander around near the > cabins at night or in the early morning - but not the alligators, DG. > One night, Marcel persuaded a very shy fox to approach to within inches > of him, simply by keeping very still and quiet down on one knee: this > despite the noise from 15 other people partying in the cottages on > either side of him. The raccoons just ignored us altogether and wandered > around in the evening hoping to pick up anything we'd dropped near the > barbecue, passing within a few feet of us with no sign of discomfiture. > Feeding the animals is forbidden, and rightly so - if they get used to > coming to people for food they're not wild any more - so we resisted the > temptation, and also cleared up after ourselves thoroughly so there was > nothing to scavenge - sorry, raccoons! > > The cottages are very well appointed. Bill and I grab the room with two > single beds - Bill on the grounds that this way he'll only keep one > person awake with his snoring, me on the grounds that, fond though I am > becoming of them, I'm not prepared to share one of the double beds with > any of the guys. The cottage with the dishwasher is designated the main > cooking area, so Bill, Dave and Marcel set up their equipment in the > other one. Beer appears. Roger produces pasta with a tasty venison sauce > and we sit around listening to the musicians getting to know one > another. I'm astonished by how quickly they start creating great sounds. > More beer appears. We're all reduced to quivering, giggling wrecks by > Bill's rendition of 'Dixie' (in the style of Jimi Hendrix's > 'Star-spangled Banner'). More food appears. We chat and listen to the > music. More beer appears. We go for a stroll in the dark and listen to > the fogs. More beer appears. Finally I crash. > > Next morning I wake up early feeling full of energy for the first time > in months. It's already pleasantly warm, so I go outside to do some T'ai > Chi and get eaten alive by insects. Huh? Scottish insects (and our > 'clegs' are infamous) only bite in the evening. Blast, I forgot the > insect repellant. During breakfast (a lengthy feast) our numbers are > augmented by the arrival of Jim and Morgan. Now we have Marx (Morgan) > and Engels (Marcel). Perhaps we should name one of this year's tracks > 'The critique of dialectical materialism'? There are now too many of us > to fit into the motor boats we have booked, so Steve and I, who are > raring to go, take a canoe. (I borrow someone else's insect repellant > first!) It's a long time since I've done this, and both our experience > is primarily in kayaks rather than Canadian-style canoes - I'm glad none > of the others are around to see our early efforts as we career all over > the waterways. > > It's Saturday, so the water is busy and the wildlife is sensibly hiding > away - apart from the alligators, who have no reason to be nervous of > us! However, our slow, quiet progress (once I remember how not to keep > bashing the side of the canoe with my paddle) and frequent stops to look > around and listen to the swamp sounds, probably means that we see and > hear more than most. Drat - I left my camera in the cottage: luckily > Steve has his and promises to share his pics. There are water lilies > everywhere: we 'park' in a clump to rest and snack. Two deer appear - > also snacking (on the water lilies). We cruise back down the narrow > waterway, assisted by the current. It's narrow and fast flowing, but > we're really starting to paddle as a team now (Steve has been giving me > hints on technique) and we only brush against a couple of trees: this is > fun! Other water-users are unfailingly courteous: I can't get used to > the 'Sir's, 'Ma'am's and 'Hi, y'all's - I thought this way of talking > was a caricature that was only found in films. I'm beginning to learn > that America is just like the movies! On the water the insects aren't > bad, but I remember to stop off in the shop to buy some repellant. > > We arrive back in the mid-afternoon to find Pete and John (two thirds of > Air Sculpture) have been sitting waiting for us on the porch for some > time - luckily someone thought to leave them a note. Vic, ever the > courteous host, takes them off for an introduction to the swamp in one > of the motor boats. With TD playing on somebody's boombox, Frank makes > burgers which Tom barbecues. Others chop pickles, wash lettuce etc. and > I'm treated to my first REAL home-style American burger (it's great). I > sit in a rocker on the porch, smoking a cigarette, listening to the > music and the chatter and feel extrordinarily relaxed. > > After a while, I hear a strange thumping noise. Going to investigate, I > find Steve beating seven skittles of you-know-what out of some meat with > a baseball bat. He's tenderising the alligator tail with which Roger is > going to make alligator chowder for tonight. Meanwhile, Tom is > recharging the other barbecue ready to cook steaks - or was it pork > chops? We ate so much, especially meat, that one meal blurs into > another. Mind you, one meal really DID blur into another: there seemed > to be a permanent buffet from mid-afternoon to midnight, with Roger > producing something tasty and exotic on the stove top, Tom barbecuing > away like a demon, Vic making salad, and the rest of us chipping in > wherever a hand was needed or producing our own specialities, of which > Morgan's Texas chili is definitely the most memorable! (Special note: I > did NO cooking, apart from the occasional stirring of a saucepan or > anointing of something on the barbecue - thanks guys!) > > Vic says he's very impressed: I'm first up and have been paddling a > canoe for most of the day, but I'm still full of beans despite the CFS. > I tell him what friends with the condition have always told me - I can > do pretty much what I like today (although I did wilt a bit towards the > end of the canoe trip and poor Steve had to do most of the work on the > last leg), but I know I will have to pay for it later. If I can only > defer payment until Tuesday, or even better Thursday, I shall be very > happy. > > John and Pete get back, and set up their equipment remarkably speedily. > Once again, I'm astonished at how quickly the musicians all 'mesh' and > start producing good improvised sounds - the only discussion I was > aware of was a rather despairing 'does somebody want to choose a tempo?' > when the first piece didn't seem to be getting off the ground. After > that, a modus vivendi was quickly reached. > > Time for the goodie bag. I do NOT distinguish myself in the 'name that > tune' or 'name that film' competition despite Marcel muttering > assistance in my ear: I usually listen to the music without looking at > the titles. I long to see Dave and Jim go head-to-head in a champions > league match (if only because if they're excluded from the main > competition the rest of us might get a look-in)! I do manage to come > away with some treats from the draw, including the other CD of Marcel > and Heij playing at e-live (embarrassing Marcel by demanding he > autograph it). After that comes trading, both of our winnings from the > goodie bag and of a tiny sub-section of Lars's 'tradables' collection, > plus hilariously desperate salesmanship from Lars trying to dispose of > the 'Dino' CD he got in the draw. Kudos to Roger for making up the > competition CDs and to Vic for running the show (and, grudgingly, to > Dave and Jim for knowing their stuff). For some strange reason the end > of the evening is somewhat fuzzy in my memory, but I made it to bed > eventually. > > Next morning, I'm one of the first up again. I spray very thouroughly > with insect repellant this time, then go out to enjoy the morning light > with a cup of tea and a cigarette. I'm joined by Bill: we are both in > stitches at Roger's incredible snoring. He's sleeping on the porch, > ostensibly so he can watch the early morning wildlife but really to get > his extraordinary vocal and nasal apparatus as far away from everybody > else as possible. So that's why John, who had originally intended to > sleep on the porch too, is now on the kitchen floor! Bill fetches his > minidisc to record this astonishing sound, then adds (in a pseudo David > Attenborough whisper) 'and that is a magnificent example of the wildlife > sounds to be heard here in the Okefenokee'. I say that they should use > it as the baseline for a piece of music. > > The amazing breakfast show begins again, with people frantically > chopping ham, onions and mushrooms, grating cheese, pouring juice, > toasting bread, making coffee etc. and Morgan presiding over all as he > turns out one omelette after another, all to a soundtrack of beautiful > EM. Morgan and Frank head off into Florida for a shopping expedition. > The rest of us slap on hats, slop on the suntan lotion, spray on the > repellant (again) and go for a walk. The antics of the boys with > 'uncles' Dave and Marcel have us in tucks. We explain to the 'uncles' > how attractive girls find men who are good with children. They don't > seem to believe us. We see a beautiful fawn, nestling in the grass right > by the side of the boardwalk, as well as numerous frogs and lizards, and > exotic (well they are to me) plants. On the way back we descend on the > shop for mementos and presents to take home. I buy seven hats for my > roleplay gaming buddies (it's a tradition - but what will they think in > customs?) and one for myself - tangerine coloured, of course! Marcel > kindly writes my postcard in Dutch for me (it's going to an avid > postcard collector friend in the Netherlands). > > We spend the rest of the day lazing around chatting, listening to > various EM artists on the boombox, preparing food, and eating. The > rangers have kindly allowed us to take over the museum and interpretive > center tonight for a concert. We plan, and I letter, a flyer for the > concert, which Vic gets the rangers' permission to put on the notice > board. It's not exactly high art - one black pen and a sheet of A4 is > kinda limited: memo to self - next time take at least a pencil and > ruler. > > Now its time to set up for the concert. Several of the guys are very > interested in the equipment, and keen to act as 'roadies', so I leave > them to it (out of the goodness of my heart, you understand). I wander > down to the museum to find Pete using his tiny PC to record the kids > screaming. Kieron screams so loud that he frightens himself! The gear is > all on stage and techy/muso stuff is going on, so I start rearranging > the furniture in the audience area. Somewhat later than anticipated, we > are ready to start: but first we have to go outside and try to spot the > space station, which is supposed to be visible tonight. No joy - > probably too many trees to see it at a low angle. The flyer seems to > have worked - although the park is quiet on a Sunday night, we have five > people turn up. One of them even stays until the second piece. We have a > great time, then break down the gear, move it back to the cottages and > start eating again! We're listening to a recording of the music from the > first night: I'm really sleepy, but I don't want to miss this. Then Bill > comes up with a brilliant idea - put his minidisc (on which he has been > recording _everything_) on the table between our beds, plug in two sets > of headphones, and we can listen as we drift off to sleep. This has to > be one of my best memories: lying in the dark, literally connected to > Bill by the headphone cables, and feeling connected to everybody else by > the music. Thanks Bill! > > Next morning we have the breakfast show again, then head out in the > motor boats. We can travel further than we did by canoe, and the water > is less busy, so we see more. Frank is enviably good at spotting > alligators. I get lots of photographs of places where a turtle was a > minute ago. I discover that I am 'way down upon the Suwannee river' (or > rather, way UP - in the headwaters). We visit Billy's Island (named for > a Seminole chief called Billy Bowlegs - honest) where the incident with > the owlet occurs (see Dave's post). With Dave being so skinny, I had > visions of the protective mama owl flying off with him dangling from her > talons. > > After eating, it's time to set up for the final concert, outdoors in the > picnic area. I'm finally starting to feel the effects of doing too much, > so I go for a snooze while the guys set up. Now we come to the only > organisational failure of the whole Swampfest - Vic forgot to come and > wake me when they were ready to start playing (somewhat later than > anticipated, naturally) so I missed the comic highlight of the trip, > although I heard a recording later, natch - several times. John and Pete > wanted to do an ambient environmental track, so the artists cooked up a > piece involving the bullfrogs and cicadas Bill had recorded late at > night and early in the morning, Pete's recording of Burnell and Kieron > screaming, Roger's snores and Bill's commentary. Roger laughed till it > hurt, and everybody else was in hysterics too. Somewhere in the middle > of this Pete's wife Debbie appeared - I don't know what she thought of > all these crazies rolling around laughing their socks off. > > Meantime, Vic has inveigled the Ranger (a very nice lady called Barbara) > into arranging for us to go out on the tour boat after dark. Despite a > very fast break down of the kit, we are of course somewhat later than > anticipated in being ready for this. A rather bemused intern navigates > us out into the main waterway, then switches off the engine. As we drift > back towards the ranger station, we all stay very quiet and watch the > beautiful starry sky while Bill records the night sounds over the water, > then we use flashlights for a bit of alligator spotting: their eyes > reflect red - very spooky! Then it was back to the cottages for more > food, and a noble attempt to finish off the beer. Finally there is only > Hamms left - Tom has warned me off it, but I see that he's drinking it > so I risk it. Frank seems to find this incredibly funny and keeps saying > something about 'beerhammer' which doesn't translate into Brit. > > Next morning, I manage to wake up enough to say goodbye to the early > departers, then go back to sleep. Next thing I know someone's hammering > on the door - we have an hour to get up and leave. The breakfast show is > underway in the 'cooking' cottage, so we clear up the other one. The > dishwasher is going non-stop as we try and sort out the crockery, > cutlery and cookware which has all migrated into one cottage, and the > glasses which have all migrated into the other one - how strange. > Finally (somewhat later than anticipated) the diehards - Vic, Tom, > Frank, Marcel and myself - are ready to leave. Everybody wants to ride > in the BMW, but I bag the first stretch. We drive the country roads with > the top down and Cyclone playing - so cool. It proves impossible to keep > to the speed limit with Madrigal Meridian blasting out. Then I move to > the back seat of Tom's Buick with its wonderful sound system, and crash > out. We're all pretty bushed by the time we get to Vic's, but we > investigate his CD collection and talk music for a while before > crashing. > > Next day, poor Vic has to go to work. Tom heads off fairly early - he > still has a three-hour drive ahead of him and he's worried about the > dog-sitter. (He was meant to be home last night, but was just too > shattered to drive any further.) Marcel, Frank and I continue to > investigate the CD collection and talk music while Natasha studies for > her french test tomorrow. Then we drive to the MARTA station to drop the > guys off to catch their flights (good job Natasha has an estate car). > Natasha and I go shopping, and drive around some of the interesting > areas of Roswell: it looks like countryside to me, but this is the > 'burbs. I'm very envious. We pick up Patrick from school then I help > Natasha a bit with her french. > > In the evening, Vic, Natasha and I go out for sushi - another first for > me. They have lots of interesting things on the menu, including a > 'viagra roll' - a semicircle of sushi rolls topped with various fish > eggs, plus two strategically placed quail's eggs and an asparagus spear. > Having watched the chef prepare one, we are very amused to see who > ordered it - a tough-looking guy who's dining with _two_ very sexy young > ladies. > > Next morning Vic has to work again, so we say goodbye before he heads > off. I'm now really feeling the effect of Bill's cold, which he so > kindly shared with us, so I don't feel like doing much. Natasha and I do > some more work on her french, have something to eat, and then shop some > more. She drops me off at the station and I begin the journey home. This > time everything goes smoothly, although less comfortably (no upgrade - > boo hoo). I have plenty of time at Schiphol to relive happy memories > with a couple of old genevers and an uitschmitter (probably spelt that > wrong). I arrive in Edinburgh mid-morning to be met by Dave (my hero!) > who I proceed to bore to death by trying to tell him absolutely > everything about the trip over a cup of coffee before heading for home. > I leave a message for Vic and Natasha to tell them I've made it OK, then > head for bed for the afternoon. I spend all day on Saturday and Sunday > sleeping, and laze around all day on Monday, finally rejoining the human > race on Tuesday. > > Thanks to the artists for sharing their music. Thanks to the drivers for > getting us there. Thanks to the chefs for the wonderful food. Thanks to > everybody for being such nice people. Thanks to Kieron and Burnell just > for being themselves, and Lars for bringing them - and for enduring the > rigours of camping: sweet though the boys are I'm not sure I coud have > coped with them in the cottage first thing in the morning! Thanks to > Steve for putting up with my rusty canoeing skills with kindness and > patience. Thanks to Patrick for giving up his bed. Thanks to Natasha for > coping with a houseful (and I mean _full_) of weirdo nerds - you should > have seen her face when she found out that I too work with computers - > playing music she doesn't like at all hours of the day and night. But > most of all, thanks to Vic and Roger for having the idea and Vic for > bringing it to fruition. > > If there is a way on God's earth I can manage it I'll be there next > year, probably with spouse in tow. I urge you all to join us - > especially any other females on the list. Don't be nervous, these are > the good guys! > > LnH > > Marion > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu May 3, 2001 8:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] searching for a member thanks, frank... that's the email i'm getting no response on... hmmmmmm... --- Frank Arellano wrote: > Try this one > > glennr@f... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'j.gordon' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:34 AM > Subject: [tadream] searching for a member > > > > sorry about that last mail slip up... > > > > i'm having trouble getting hold of a list member, glenn reinicke... > > > > any ideas on where he might be? or if he's left the list? > > > > thanks in advance > > > > j.gordon > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Thu May 3, 2001 12:44 pm Subject: Jerome live on air Hi all, Jerome is Live Studio Guest at the Radio Eins ELEKTRO BEATS at the 9th of May 2001 from 11 pm to 00 am. Heiko from Burg/Germany My Auction is open till: 06th of May 2001 08 pm MESZ or 11am PDT (Pacific time) or 02 pm Eastern Time www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: tangent2000ca@y... Date: Tue May 1, 2001 4:39 pm Subject: Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Anyone interested in a posting of an old Edgar Froese trak? from '68......The Ones - lady Greengrass...featuring our beloved Edgar on lead guitar and vocals! I'll be watching to see what the responses are. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26859 Re: Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Robert Grabowsky Thu 5/3/2001 2 KB 26860 Re: Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Miguel Farah F. Thu 5/3/2001 2 KB 26868 Re: Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Matthew Stringer Fri 5/4/2001 2 KB From: tangent2000ca@y... Date: Tue May 1, 2001 4:34 pm Subject: Thief ST I have, what might be one of the goofiest questions ever........... Why was the CD version of the Thief ST released minus 1 trak that was on the vinyl version? It really ticked me off when I bought the CD, and noticed that 1 was missing! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26861 Re: Thief ST Matthew Sawyer Thu 5/3/2001 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Thu May 3, 2001 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) I would venture to guess that most of us on the list have this in one form or another. THE HIGHLANDER At 04:39 PM 5/1/01 -0000, you wrote: >Anyone interested in a posting of an old Edgar Froese trak? > from '68......The Ones - lady Greengrass...featuring our beloved >Edgar on lead guitar and vocals! I'll be watching to see what the >responses are. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26860 Re: Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Miguel Farah F. Thu 5/3/2001 2 KB 26868 Re: Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Matthew Stringer Fri 5/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Thu May 3, 2001 3:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Robert Grabowsky [03/05/2001 11:12] dijo/said: >I would venture to guess that most of us on the list have this in one form >or another. Not me... -- MIGUEL FARAH miguel@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26868 Re: Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Matthew Stringer Fri 5/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Thu May 3, 2001 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief ST From: > I have, what might be one of the goofiest questions ever........... > > Why was the CD version of the Thief ST released minus 1 trak that > was on the vinyl version? > > It really ticked me off when I bought the CD, and noticed that 1 > was missing! Probably because the track (Confrontation) wasn't written by TD, but by Craig Safan. Maff ________________________________________ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Thu May 3, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: Ebay sales/TD related Hey there all, just wanted to ask somewhat of a probably stupid question. I've seen posts repeatedly regarding TD material posted on Ebay for sale. I have mostly everything that has been posted on there (CDR copies honestly, having never been able to FIND the originals locally where I live), BUT I wanted to find out that ARE these originals (Thief, etc) that difficult to find originals? OR are there some things different about the copies being sold on Ebay compared to originals? I DO buy everything TD related I can find (originals) after I've listened to stuff, etc but I've seen a ton of stuff that's going on Ebay lately, and wasn't sure what the deal was? dan NP: Marillion - Anoraknaphobia (For the 9th or 400th time) Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com Crackasmile, TeslaGroup, TheTradingCircle, ChristianRockMusic, Found HERE! http://www.yahoogroups.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), MSN Messenger

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26863 Re: Ebay sales/TD related Joel S. Mullen Fri 5/4/2001 4 KB From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Fri May 4, 2001 5:10 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Ebay sales/TD related Dan- Some are copies, some are originals. People used to be up-front about it until E-bay banned CD-Rs now you don't get the truth. Watch for 'original CD recording' I guess that means CD-R now. I have alot of original CDs for sale if you are interested. Let me know and I will e-mail you a current list. Or let me know what you are looking for. Regards, Joel On Thursday, May 03, 2001 10:48 PM, winnie the pooh [SMTP:winniethepoohfan1@m...] wrote: > Hey there all, just wanted to ask somewhat of a probably stupid question. I've seen posts repeatedly regarding TD material posted on Ebay for sale. I have mostly everything that has been posted on there (CDR copies honestly, having never been able to FIND the originals locally where I live), BUT I wanted to find out that ARE these originals (Thief, etc) that difficult to find originals? OR are there some things different about the copies being sold on Ebay compared to originals? I DO buy everything TD related I can find (originals) after I've listened to stuff, etc but I've seen a ton of stuff that's going on Ebay lately, and wasn't sure what the deal was? > > dan > > NP: Marillion - Anoraknaphobia (For the 9th or 400th time) > > > Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! > http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com > http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com > Crackasmile, TeslaGroup, TheTradingCircle, ChristianRockMusic, > Found HERE! http://www.yahoogroups.com > AOL IM (kayleighsdad), MSN Messenger

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> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 4, 2001 8:47 am Subject: Shepherds Bush In TD's guestbook section a certain 'Rob' has posted the following: ' Just seen Classic Rock magazine in the UK which has a long article on 'prog-rock' including TD. In it, TD are quoted as saying that the first half of the Shepherds Bush concert will be stuff from 'the last 30 years', and the second half will be Dream Mixes III.' This may come as no surprise but maybe it's of interest to some of you :-) Heiko P.S: at what time exactly does our 'pre-show get-together' meeting at Harveys take place? (I'm a German so it's only naturally for me to ask, LOL) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26869 Re: Shepherds Bush Matthew Stringer Fri 5/4/2001 3 KB 26870 Re: Shepherds Bush glynn_naughton@h... Fri 5/4/2001 3 KB 26873 Re: Shepherds Bush Feldon Feldon Fri 5/4/2001 4 KB 26880 Re: Shepherds Bush Matthew Stringer Sun 5/6/2001 5 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri May 4, 2001 8:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush > > Heiko > P.S: at what time exactly does our 'pre-show get-together' meeting at > Harveys take place? (I'm a German so it's only naturally for me to ask, > LOL) Calm down , they dont have sun loungers in our pubs , you can get there with the rest of us ;)) Paul From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 4, 2001 9:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush > Calm down , they dont have sun loungers in our pubs , you can get there with > the rest of us ;)) Hey, I'm one of those rare nice German tourists who doesn't steal towels or deck chairs! And I don't mind when I'm not the first person standing in the queue ;-) Ze Tourist From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri May 4, 2001 9:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] What I did on my holidays (Oke2001) *Snipped from the TD mailing list.... Dave Voci, this just cracked me up..... > Then it was back to the cottages for more > food, and a noble attempt to finish off the beer. Finally there is only > Hamms left - Tom has warned me off it, but I see that he's drinking it > so I risk it. Frank seems to find this incredibly funny and keeps saying > *A piece of advice to visiting Brits or Euros DO NOT drink Hamms or for that matter Pabst Blue Ribbon beer.... not a good idea. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri May 4, 2001 10:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Ditto... On Thursday 03 May 2001 16:29, Miguel Farah F. wrote: > Robert Grabowsky [03/05/2001 11:12] dijo/said: > >I would venture to guess that most of us on the list have this in one form > >or another. > > Not me... From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri May 4, 2001 10:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush So we all knock off after the first half then. It might be just me but everytime the Tangs play DM's the mood of the crowd seems to wane conciderably until the encores come on!!! Matt. On Friday 04 May 2001 09:47, you wrote: > In TD's guestbook section a certain 'Rob' has posted the following: > > ' Just seen Classic Rock magazine in the UK which has a long article on > 'prog-rock' including TD. In it, TD are quoted as saying that the first > half of the Shepherds Bush concert will be stuff from 'the last 30 > years', and the second half will be Dream Mixes III.' > > This may come as no surprise but maybe it's of interest to some of you > > :-) > > Heiko > P.S: at what time exactly does our 'pre-show get-together' meeting at > Harveys take place? (I'm a German so it's only naturally for me to ask, > LOL) > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary > Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26870 Re: Shepherds Bush glynn_naughton@h... Fri 5/4/2001 3 KB 26873 Re: Shepherds Bush Feldon Feldon Fri 5/4/2001 4 KB 26880 Re: Shepherds Bush Matthew Stringer Sun 5/6/2001 5 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Fri May 4, 2001 10:52 am Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush --- In tadream@y..., Matthew Stringer wrote: > So we all knock off after the first half then. > > It might be just me but everytime the Tangs play DM's the mood of the crowd > seems to wane conciderably until the encores come on!!! > > Matt. > Actually, I think it's the other way around. That is, unless they play some of their more obscure stuff in the first half. I mean, do we really need more renditions of the likes of 'Betrayal' or 'Love on a Real Train'? These old chestnuts have been abslolutely flogged to death, if you'll forgive the mixed metaphor. TD should seriously consider drawing a line under this class of track and never playing it again in concert, realising it on a compilation or live album, or remixing it in some form. Then again, doesn't DM3 have a remix of the Maedchen on the Stairs from 1997? Let's get this straight - this is a remix of a remix of a remix of 'White Eagle'. Whoever said that TD were running out of ideas? Actually, I don't really care what they play (or rather, what comes out of the speakers while Edgar and Jerome make half-hearted attempts to wiggle their fingers over their keyboards). I'm going for the nostalgia, the atmosphere (if it's a tenth as charged as the legendary 1996 Shepherds Bush gig it will be well worth it), the chance to see good 'ole Edgar up on stage again, maybe for the last time...and of course the chance to meet some of the folks from tadream. Glynn From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 4, 2001 11:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush > It might be just me but everytime the Tangs play DM's the mood of the crowd > seems to wane conciderably until the encores come on!!! I must admit that TDJ Rome really 'rocked da house' with his DJ set last year at the Ground Liftaz label launch party in Berlin (if in doubt ask Conrad 'Travolta' Gibbons ;-) I'm not sure how many people on this list have heard or bought the Ground Liftaz vinyl set, but believe me the crowd will go ape when they listen to tracks like 'Stereolight' or 'Diamonds and dust', because most of the DM3 pieces are based on older tracks from the 70's or 80's (although I'm sure they will also play the remixes of 'Meng Tian' and 'Astrophobia', two tracks I could easily live without) I also must admit that I'm not very enthusiastic about what will be the 'Vintage set'. I really hope they'll play a new 60 minute version of Richochet Part 2 ~lol~ But most probably it will be a 'best of' selection of tracks we all know inside out. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26888 Shepherds Bush 2001 Gig Conrad Gibbons Mon 5/7/2001 4 KB From: wyslannik@y... Date: Fri May 4, 2001 12:06 pm Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush Concert Hi tadreamers ! --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > Hi all, > > Only a few days more to wait now.... > > Below is the latest list of people going. I am bringing some goodies with > me and some of the people on this list have already contacted me for > exchanges. Anyone else who is interested in exchanging stuff before or > after the concert please contact me off list as soon as possible and I will > send a list of what I'm offering. > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) . . . > Jakub (Polish, lives in UK) + 1 (my colleague) . . . > Steve Jenkins (UK) Short question: what time will we all meet in Harvey's ? Regards Jakub From: Feldon Feldon Date: Fri May 4, 2001 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush You'll want to be at least half-awake for Stereolight (Monolight), Diamonds and Dust, and any other classic TD they've remixed (only heard those 2). It's done tastefully. -Morgan At 11:33 AM 5/4/2001 +0100, you wrote: >So we all knock off after the first half then. > >It might be just me but everytime the Tangs play DM's the mood of the crowd >seems to wane conciderably until the encores come on!!! > >Matt. > > >On Friday 04 May 2001 09:47, you wrote: > > In TD's guestbook section a certain 'Rob' has posted the following: > > > > ' Just seen Classic Rock magazine in the UK which has a long article on > > 'prog-rock' including TD. In it, TD are quoted as saying that the first > > half of the Shepherds Bush concert will be stuff from 'the last 30 > > years', and the second half will be Dream Mixes III.' > > > > This may come as no surprise but maybe it's of interest to some of you > > > > :-) > > > > Heiko > > P.S: at what time exactly does our 'pre-show get-together' meeting at > > Harveys take place? (I'm a German so it's only naturally for me to ask, > > LOL) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary > > Ex-TD-member! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de >Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26880 Re: Shepherds Bush Matthew Stringer Sun 5/6/2001 5 KB From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat May 5, 2001 5:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush The worst crime you can commit in the UK is to jump the queue. Just watch the pensioners! If anyone does jump the queue, ask them if their mother taught them the alphabet.........yes.........so what's the 17th letter?......Q..........so why don't you? David ----- Original Message ----- From: Heiko Heerssen To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush > > > > > Calm down , they dont have sun loungers in our pubs , you can get there with > > the rest of us ;)) > > Hey, I'm one of those rare nice German tourists who doesn't steal towels or deck > chairs! And I don't mind when I'm not the first person standing in the queue ;-) > > Ze Tourist > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat May 5, 2001 11:18 am Subject: last change to bid Hi all, this is the last change to bid on my private auction (91 item`s) under: www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm auction closed: 06th of May 11am Pacific Daylight Time 06th of May 12am Mountain Daylight Time 06th of May 01pm Central Daylight Time 06th of May 02pm Eastern Daylight Time 07th of May 04am East Australian Standard Time 06th of May 07pm British Summer Time 06th of May 08pm Middle European Summer Time See you auctionmaster-heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat May 5, 2001 11:34 am Subject: last chance to bid!!! Hi all, this is the last change to bid on my private auction (91 item`s) under: www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm auction closed: 06th of May 11am Pacific Daylight Time 06th of May 12am Mountain Daylight Time 06th of May 01pm Central Daylight Time 06th of May 02pm Eastern Daylight Time 07th of May 04am East Australian Standard Time 06th of May 07pm British Summer Time 06th of May 08pm Middle European Summer Time See you auctionmaster-heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat May 5, 2001 5:36 pm Subject: Message order Just a random question about the list. Am I the only one who's receiving a bunch of list postings out of order? For example, I received Glynn Naughton's response to Matthew Stringer (regarding Shepherd's Bush) about 16 hours before I received Matthew's original post. This kind of thing has always happened to me sporadically with OneList/eGroups/Yahoo Groups, but it's been happening a lot in the last two days or so. Is it just me? --Daniel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26879 Re: Message order j.gordon Sun 5/6/2001 3 KB 26881 Re: Message order gyedid@p... Sun 5/6/2001 2 KB 26886 Re: Message order Matthew Stringer Mon 5/7/2001 4 KB 26882 Re: Message order quarlie@a... Sun 5/6/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun May 6, 2001 11:43 am Subject: Auction closed of 06th of May Hi all, this is the really last chance to bid on my private auction (91 item`s) under: www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm auction closed in 6hour`s and 20 min. 06th of May 11am Pacific Daylight Time 06th of May 12am Mountain Daylight Time 06th of May 01pm Central Daylight Time 06th of May 02pm Eastern Daylight Time 07th of May 04am East Australian Standard Time 06th of May 07pm British Summer Time 06th of May 08pm Middle European Summer Time See you auctionmaster-heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'j.gordon' Date: Sun May 6, 2001 11:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Message order no it's me too... i received an answer to my post 2 or 3 days before i actually saw my original post... j.gordon --- quarlie@a... wrote: > Just a random question about the list. Am I the only one who's receiving a > bunch of list postings out of order? For example, I received Glynn Naughton's > > response to Matthew Stringer (regarding Shepherd's Bush) about 16 hours > before I received Matthew's original post. > > This kind of thing has always happened to me sporadically with > OneList/eGroups/Yahoo Groups, but it's been happening a lot in the last two > days or so. Is it just me? > --Daniel > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26881 Re: Message order gyedid@p... Sun 5/6/2001 2 KB 26886 Re: Message order Matthew Stringer Mon 5/7/2001 4 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Sun May 6, 2001 2:09 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Shepherds Bush I'm sure it'll be great!!! Can't wait! -----Original Message----- From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] Sent: 04 May 2001 15:56 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush You'll want to be at least half-awake for Stereolight (Monolight), Diamonds and Dust, and any other classic TD they've remixed (only heard those 2). It's done tastefully. -Morgan At 11:33 AM 5/4/2001 +0100, you wrote: >So we all knock off after the first half then. > >It might be just me but everytime the Tangs play DM's the mood of the crowd >seems to wane conciderably until the encores come on!!! > >Matt. > > >On Friday 04 May 2001 09:47, you wrote: > > In TD's guestbook section a certain 'Rob' has posted the following: > > > > ' Just seen Classic Rock magazine in the UK which has a long article on > > 'prog-rock' including TD. In it, TD are quoted as saying that the first > > half of the Shepherds Bush concert will be stuff from 'the last 30 > > years', and the second half will be Dream Mixes III.' > > > > This may come as no surprise but maybe it's of interest to some of you > > > > :-) > > > > Heiko > > P.S: at what time exactly does our 'pre-show get-together' meeting at > > Harveys take place? (I'm a German so it's only naturally for me to ask, > > LOL) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary > > Ex-TD-member! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de >Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: gyedid@p... Date: Sun May 6, 2001 9:38 pm Subject: Re: Message order And I saw J. Gordon's reply before I saw Dan's original message about the order ;) Gabe From: quarlie@a... Date: Sun May 6, 2001 10:52 pm Subject: Re: Message order In a message dated 5/6/01 5:52:27 PM, gyedid@p... writes: >And I saw J. Gordon's reply before I saw Dan's original message about >the order ;) Believe it or not, I haven't received J.'s reply yet. What's going on?! ;) --Daniel From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon May 7, 2001 3:30 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales - review (Caution: LONG!) The best things in life are free, so this set should be good as it was received virtually for free; And good it is, in fact I like it a lot. I received my copy well over six weeks ago (thanks Timo) and after some trial and error, and some help (thanks Tom), I managed to get the fine artwork in order. I guess the least one can do in appreciation is to give some sort of feedback and this is an attempt at that. In line with current fashion on the list, a bit lengthy I'm afraid, so if you don't like to read it, delete or scroll from here to eternity. First of all I'm amazed by the obvious abundance of talented musicians in this group of TD-fans. But as there are several names I don't even recognize, I guess there are many on the list (probably even a majority) who don't participate in the discussions. For obvious reasons it is very difficult to write a thorough and honest review in a forum like this and for any future project of the same kind I would suggest including email-addresses to the musicians. Direct feedback can be, well.. more direct. Ok, Dreamwatchers' Tales. I first heard it late at a Friday night, home from a party, in good spirit, under the influence of some spirits. Rest of the family off to bed, relaxing with a good dose of Lagavullin, headphones on, volume up. Well in short – The mood was right and I was certainly very receptive. Doubtless a favourable moment for this album to be listened to and that's not just space-filler Info. I've come to realize that it is with music as with people; It takes awfully long to wipe out the first impression. It is very rare that I go from liking a disc to later on change my mind about it. Certainly that must have happened but I cannot remember any specific disc. Similarly it is very rare that I start out disliking music to later love it; Can only remember two notable exceptions; Tangram, which became my favorite even though I didn't understand it at all to begin with, and Zappa in New York – side 4, took a while to understand but it was certainly worth trying. My way of doing this is to mention a favorite on each cd and also a bunch of runners-up. More could, maybe should, certainly be mentioned but this seems like a fairly just way of doing it. No one will ever know if there are any tracks that I don't like. Cd1 Best: Track 8 – Free System Project-Faraday. With my preference in music this is the obvious choice. It isn't because of originality, as the influence is obvious. But, as a music publisher once told me: 'It isn't wrong to be influenced by another musician or group; what matters is what you do with that influence'. Very wise, very true. This track is a beauty. Runners-up: Track 7- Jeff Bergman: An intense and intimate journey into your mind Certainly the strongest contender for the 'Best spot'. It's a very strong track with powerful cords & rich sound, rhythmic with a distinct thread around which the melody is built. I enjoy the pace; Too sad that we don't get the entire track. I would have liked to hear it all and could have sacrificed the prologue to make room for it. Track 2 – Nightbirds: Morning Weather. This track got me right into good mood. Good piece of electronic music. Nice structure, atmospheric sound, very relaxing. Track 6 – Darklion: Desert Line Very different from track 2 but really a nice piece of Techno music. Catchy track that appeals to another side of me and is enjoyable especially at high volume. Must say I'm a bit lost by the ending though. Note of interest: Track 4 – Olivier Briand: Transparences Had me thinking about Ashra for a while, especially in the latter part with that guitar swirling around. Interesting track. CD 2: Best: Track 8, Brian Frick – Sequential 97: A very appealing track that reminds me of a Blenner in his better moments. Good use of sequencers yet a clear focus on the melody line. Well composed with an idea that is pursued throughout the track. Melody is an important factor, all too often forgotten in electronic music. Runners up: Track 2 – Ionic – From gulf to gulf Attractive ambient music that works just fine. Track 3 – Olyam – Moon ritual. No mention of any Vangelis- influence in the cover text. That's namely the resemblance that springs to mind when I hear this. Very atmospheric, spiritual and beautiful. The classical schooling is obvious. Interesting piece. I'll have to get one of his albums. Track 10 – Darklion & Olyam - Bubble Bells Bubbly enough. Atmospheric and attractive. Steady pace, rich sound. These guys did good each on their own and it works fine together as well. Track 11 – Richard Ford – Another Day. Very fine ending to it all. Note of interest: Track 9 – Satsuma Nightmare Very influenced by TD as stated in the cover text. A funny thing is that this is one out of only two tracks on this compilation that clearly makes me think about TD (the other one being my favorite on CD 1). I don't know if it is because I listen to so many different EM-artists today that I'm forgetting who set the standard. Well, doesn't matter much but.. oh yes there are also one or two tracks that remind me of Schulze. To sum it all up I'm happy that I signed up for this. It's been a pleasure listening to this compilation and I know I will keep playing it. Thanks to Joe for the brilliant idea and also to everybody involved in the production; Thanks to all the musicians for sharing your work with us. I wish everybody good luck with Your music and certainly wouldn't mind a sequel. /Olle (--As this was written late, yesterday evening, please bear with spelling/grammatical errors--) Np: TD-Nottingham 76 (mmmmmmmmmmm!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26884 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - review (Caution: LONG j.gordon Mon 5/7/2001 8 KB 26885 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - review (Caution: LONG Richard F Mon 5/7/2001 10 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon May 7, 2001 3:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales - review (Caution: LONG!) as one of the artists on this CD comp., i want to say thanks, olle, for taking the time and effort to review the CD and give your feedback... i like the idea of including the emails for direct feedback... you comments we very relaxed, positive and great to hear, for all the bands... thanks again j.gordon --- olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > The best things in life are free, so this set should be good as it was > received virtually for free; And good it is, in fact I like it a lot. I > received my copy well over six weeks ago (thanks Timo) and after some trial > and error, and some help (thanks Tom), I managed to get the fine artwork in > order. > > I guess the least one can do in appreciation is to give some sort of > feedback and this is an attempt at that. In line with current fashion on the > list, a bit lengthy I'm afraid, so if you don't like to read it, delete or > scroll from here to eternity. > > First of all I'm amazed by the obvious abundance of talented musicians in > this group of TD-fans. But as there are several names I don't even > recognize, I guess there are many on the list (probably even a majority) who > don't participate in the discussions. > > For obvious reasons it is very difficult to write a thorough and honest > review in a forum like this and for any future project of the same kind I > would suggest including email-addresses to the musicians. Direct feedback > can be, well.. more direct. > > Ok, Dreamwatchers' Tales. I first heard it late at a Friday night, home from > a party, in good spirit, under the influence of some spirits. Rest of the > family off to bed, relaxing with a good dose of Lagavullin, headphones on, > volume up. Well in short – The mood was right and I was certainly very > receptive. Doubtless a favourable moment for this album to be listened to > and that's not just space-filler Info. > I've come to realize that it is with music as with people; It takes awfully > long to wipe out the first impression. It is very rare that I go from liking > a disc to later on change my mind about it. Certainly that must have > happened but I cannot remember any specific disc. Similarly it is very rare > that I start out disliking music to later love it; Can only remember two > notable exceptions; Tangram, which became my favorite even though I didn't > understand it at all to begin with, and Zappa in New York – side 4, took a > while to understand but it was certainly worth trying. > > My way of doing this is to mention a favorite on each cd and also a bunch of > runners-up. More could, maybe should, certainly be mentioned but this seems > like a fairly just way of doing it. No one will ever know if there are any > tracks that I don't like. > > Cd1 > > Best: > Track 8 – Free System Project-Faraday. > With my preference in music this is the obvious choice. It isn't because > of originality, as the influence is obvious. But, as a music publisher once > told me: > 'It isn't wrong to be influenced by another musician or group; what matters > is what you do with that influence'. Very wise, very true. This track is a > beauty. > > Runners-up: > Track 7- Jeff Bergman: An intense and intimate journey into your mind > Certainly the strongest contender for the 'Best spot'. It's a very strong > track with powerful cords & rich sound, rhythmic with a distinct thread > around which the melody is built. I enjoy the pace; Too sad that we don't > get the entire track. I would have liked to hear it all and could have > sacrificed the prologue to make room for it. > > Track 2 – Nightbirds: Morning Weather. > This track got me right into good mood. Good piece of electronic music. Nice > structure, atmospheric sound, very relaxing. > > Track 6 – Darklion: Desert Line > Very different from track 2 but really a nice piece of Techno music. Catchy > track that appeals to another side of me and is enjoyable especially at high > volume. Must say I'm a bit lost by the ending though. > > Note of interest: > Track 4 – Olivier Briand: Transparences > Had me thinking about Ashra for a while, especially in the latter part with > that guitar swirling around. Interesting track. > > CD 2: > > Best: > Track 8, Brian Frick – Sequential 97: A very appealing track that reminds me > of a Blenner in his better moments. Good use of sequencers yet a clear focus > on the melody line. Well composed with an idea that is pursued throughout > the track. > Melody is an important factor, all too often forgotten in electronic music. > > Runners up: > Track 2 – Ionic – From gulf to gulf > Attractive ambient music that works just fine. > > Track 3 – Olyam – Moon ritual. > No mention of any Vangelis- influence in the cover text. That's namely the > resemblance that springs to mind when I hear this. Very atmospheric, > spiritual and beautiful. The classical schooling is obvious. Interesting > piece. I'll have to get one of his albums. > > Track 10 – Darklion & Olyam - Bubble Bells > Bubbly enough. Atmospheric and attractive. Steady pace, rich sound. These > guys did good each on their own and it works fine together as well. > > Track 11 – Richard Ford – Another Day. Very fine ending to it all. > > Note of interest: > Track 9 – Satsuma Nightmare > Very influenced by TD as stated in the cover text. A funny thing is that > this is one out of only two tracks on this compilation that clearly makes me > think about TD (the other one being my favorite on CD 1). I don't know if it > is because I listen to so many different EM-artists today that I'm > forgetting who set the standard. Well, doesn't matter much but.. oh yes > there are also one or two tracks that remind me of Schulze. > > > To sum it all up I'm happy that I signed up for this. It's been a pleasure > listening to this compilation and I know I will keep playing it. Thanks to > Joe for the brilliant idea and also to everybody involved in the production; > Thanks to all the musicians for sharing your work with us. I wish everybody > good luck with Your music and certainly wouldn't mind a sequel. > > /Olle > > (--As this was written late, yesterday evening, please bear with > spelling/grammatical errors--) > > Np: TD-Nottingham 76 (mmmmmmmmmmm!) > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26885 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - review (Caution: LONG Richard F Mon 5/7/2001 10 KB From: Richard F Date: Mon May 7, 2001 3:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales - review (Caution: LONG!) I see you beat me to it. I too would like to thank him for taking the time to review it. Now, when am I going to get my copy.... >as one of the artists on this CD comp., i want to say thanks, olle, for taking >the time and effort to review the CD and give your feedback... > >i like the idea of including the emails for direct feedback... > >you comments we very relaxed, positive and great to hear, for all the bands... > >thanks again > >j.gordon > > > >--- olle.rundgren@s... wrote: >> The best things in life are free, so this set should be good as it was >> received virtually for free; And good it is, in fact I like it a lot. I >> received my copy well over six weeks ago (thanks Timo) and after some trial >> and error, and some help (thanks Tom), I managed to get the fine artwork in >> order. >> >> I guess the least one can do in appreciation is to give some sort of >> feedback and this is an attempt at that. In line with current fashion on the >> list, a bit lengthy I'm afraid, so if you don't like to read it, delete or >> scroll from here to eternity. >> >> First of all I'm amazed by the obvious abundance of talented musicians in >> this group of TD-fans. But as there are several names I don't even >> recognize, I guess there are many on the list (probably even a majority) who >> don't participate in the discussions. >> >> For obvious reasons it is very difficult to write a thorough and honest >> review in a forum like this and for any future project of the same kind I >> would suggest including email-addresses to the musicians. Direct feedback >> can be, well.. more direct. >> >> Ok, Dreamwatchers' Tales. I first heard it late at a Friday night, home from >> a party, in good spirit, under the influence of some spirits. Rest of the >> family off to bed, relaxing with a good dose of Lagavullin, headphones on, >> volume up. Well in short – The mood was right and I was certainly very >> receptive. Doubtless a favourable moment for this album to be listened to >> and that's not just space-filler Info. >> I've come to realize that it is with music as with people; It takes awfully >> long to wipe out the first impression. It is very rare that I go from liking >> a disc to later on change my mind about it. Certainly that must have >> happened but I cannot remember any specific disc. Similarly it is very rare >> that I start out disliking music to later love it; Can only remember two >> notable exceptions; Tangram, which became my favorite even though I didn't >> understand it at all to begin with, and Zappa in New York – side 4, took a >> while to understand but it was certainly worth trying. >> >> My way of doing this is to mention a favorite on each cd and also a bunch of >> runners-up. More could, maybe should, certainly be mentioned but this seems >> like a fairly just way of doing it. No one will ever know if there are any >> tracks that I don't like. >> >> Cd1 >> >> Best: >> Track 8 – Free System Project-Faraday. >> With my preference in music this is the obvious choice. It isn't because >> of originality, as the influence is obvious. But, as a music publisher once >> told me: >> 'It isn't wrong to be influenced by another musician or group; what matters >> is what you do with that influence'. Very wise, very true. This track is a >> beauty. >> >> Runners-up: >> Track 7- Jeff Bergman: An intense and intimate journey into your mind >> Certainly the strongest contender for the 'Best spot'. It's a very strong >> track with powerful cords & rich sound, rhythmic with a distinct thread >> around which the melody is built. I enjoy the pace; Too sad that we don't >> get the entire track. I would have liked to hear it all and could have >> sacrificed the prologue to make room for it. >> >> Track 2 – Nightbirds: Morning Weather. >> This track got me right into good mood. Good piece of electronic music. Nice >> structure, atmospheric sound, very relaxing. >> >> Track 6 – Darklion: Desert Line >> Very different from track 2 but really a nice piece of Techno music. Catchy >> track that appeals to another side of me and is enjoyable especially at high >> volume. Must say I'm a bit lost by the ending though. >> >> Note of interest: >> Track 4 – Olivier Briand: Transparences >> Had me thinking about Ashra for a while, especially in the latter part with >> that guitar swirling around. Interesting track. >> >> CD 2: >> >> Best: >> Track 8, Brian Frick – Sequential 97: A very appealing track that reminds me >> of a Blenner in his better moments. Good use of sequencers yet a clear focus >> on the melody line. Well composed with an idea that is pursued throughout >> the track. >> Melody is an important factor, all too often forgotten in electronic music. >> >> Runners up: >> Track 2 – Ionic – From gulf to gulf >> Attractive ambient music that works just fine. >> >> Track 3 – Olyam – Moon ritual. >> No mention of any Vangelis- influence in the cover text. That's namely the >> resemblance that springs to mind when I hear this. Very atmospheric, >> spiritual and beautiful. The classical schooling is obvious. Interesting >> piece. I'll have to get one of his albums. >> >> Track 10 – Darklion & Olyam - Bubble Bells >> Bubbly enough. Atmospheric and attractive. Steady pace, rich sound. These >> guys did good each on their own and it works fine together as well. >> >> Track 11 – Richard Ford – Another Day. Very fine ending to it all. >> >> Note of interest: >> Track 9 – Satsuma Nightmare >> Very influenced by TD as stated in the cover text. A funny thing is that >> this is one out of only two tracks on this compilation that clearly makes me >> think about TD (the other one being my favorite on CD 1). I don't know if it >> is because I listen to so many different EM-artists today that I'm >> forgetting who set the standard. Well, doesn't matter much but.. oh yes >> there are also one or two tracks that remind me of Schulze. >> >> >> To sum it all up I'm happy that I signed up for this. It's been a pleasure >> listening to this compilation and I know I will keep playing it. Thanks to >> Joe for the brilliant idea and also to everybody involved in the production; >> Thanks to all the musicians for sharing your work with us. I wish everybody >> good luck with Your music and certainly wouldn't mind a sequel. >> >> /Olle >> >> (--As this was written late, yesterday evening, please bear with >> spelling/grammatical errors--) >> >> Np: TD-Nottingham 76 (mmmmmmmmmmm!) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------~-~ >> Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >> Details at http://www.tadream.net >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de >> Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de >Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Richard F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Mon May 7, 2001 5:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Message order I haven't had any mail from Tadream for about a week, seems okay now though. Matt -----Original Message----- From: j.gordon [mailto:ssaalyersjj@y...] Sent: 06 May 2001 12:49 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Message order no it's me too... i received an answer to my post 2 or 3 days before i actually saw my original post... j.gordon --- quarlie@a... wrote: > Just a random question about the list. Am I the only one who's receiving a > bunch of list postings out of order? For example, I received Glynn Naughton's > > response to Matthew Stringer (regarding Shepherd's Bush) about 16 hours > before I received Matthew's original post. > > This kind of thing has always happened to me sporadically with > OneList/eGroups/Yahoo Groups, but it's been happening a lot in the last two > days or so. Is it just me? > --Daniel > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Mon May 7, 2001 8:50 pm Subject: Review: Dreamwatchers Tale -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Pheu! I didn't know there was so much work in doing a review, but I'm all sweaty after doing up my mind about all the tracks on DT. First a disclaimer: The opinions herein is my alone. I'm not a musician, have no clue about music instruments or how to operate them. But I do know what I like and not, and I do hear the difference between a pure and a disonnant tone. Ok, over to the verdict. I have choosen to voice my opinion on all tracks, and not only those I like. I haven't made the coverart, so I honestly don't know who has made what on the discs at the time of review. Oh, and any deaththreats or loveletters will go unanswered until friday :-) CD1: When I first heard this disc, I was a bit disappointed. Because quite frankly I thought the whole disc was shit. But I did what I usually does in such circumstances. Listened to it a few times and then stowed it away. After some weeks I listened to it again, et voila: its content have grown on me. It's shit no more :-) My favorite on this disc is without doubt track 8. Track 1: Strange, like som bits taken from here and there and glued together. Don't know how else to describe this. I didn't like it at all when I first heard it, but after having listened to it many times I like it better. Track 2: Sounds sort of like an industrial hall during work hours. That was my first impression. But then it evolves into something more music-like. And very nice it is too. Jepp, I like this one. Track 3: Now, where have I heard something like this before? I want to dance. It is sort of like two stratas in this piece, the main strata with the rhytm, and a more subtle second strata where the mystery is. I like this one too. Track 4: Very athmospheric with a gitar on top. Great track. Then about halfway it changes. More speed, and the atmosphere is excanged with a rythm. All in all, very good. Track 5: Starts slowly, then boom boom boom! A monolog, then sort of waiting for something spectacular to happen. Except it does not. Instead it builds up on its own. Sort of a cross between ambience and trance. Just wondering, was this taped during a consert, or is the audiencesound added? Then the track is rounded off with the same monolog it started with. I like it. Track 6: Wish I had some really big speakers for this track, lovely bass. When the melodyline comes in I first think of Need for Speed :-) I'm quite certain I have heard something like this before, but who cares, good things can't be heard too often. This piece have however some, for me at least, annoying clicking sounds. I wish they weren't there at all. But it is not enough to detract me from this piece of really, really good music. Track 7: What's this? It's a break in the trend the previos tracks have built. So it's sort of a system shock. But after the initial detraction it steadies to a solid track with lots of sound in it. Maybe too much drums etc in it. Then comes a section where TD is instantly recognised. But I don't like that stunt with sliding the sound up and down. Not at all. Then more of the first. Ok, not my favorite, but parts of it is very nice to listen to. Track 8: Aye, this is more like it! Just what I like. A slow, real melodyline with backing. It's simply beautifull! I want to cry. Track 9: Hey, a xylophone! Great music! The backing on it self would have made a good track as well. Track 10: A piano solo. The melody is fine, have I heard it before? A good track, but maybee a bit on the boring side for my taste. Track 11: I have most certainly heard this before, where is it from? Vangelis? Anyway, it's mostly to my liking. It must be Vangelis! Good Music. Track 12: I must admit when I first heard this track, I didn't like it at all. I like it better now, but it's still not my favorite. CD 2: With this disc it was love at first sig- ahem - hearing. It can be played on repeat for hours on end. Probably because it's more homogeneous. Difficult to choose a favorite too, but I will land on track 10. Track 1: A slow meandering piece with that Vangelis-sound. You know what I mean :-) Hmmm, I wonder, is the whole track based on Vangelis? There is some unmistaken segments at least, which I would say is pure Vangelis. Not that I care, I like Vangelis. Therefore I like this track. Pure logic:-) Track 2: Hmmm, I like low tones. Why do I like this track? After all, it is only some droning lines repeated over and over. But I do like it very much. Track 3: Good dammit!, is it more Vangelis? or is my brain fried? Anyhow, I like this too. Even have some nice woman-like OOHHH sounds in it. This track is very suggestive, almost hypnothic. Tremendously Good! Track 4: This track reminds me of Biosphere. Don't know if will call it ambience though. But who am I to say? Like the previous track it is very good to listen to, maybe a touch too long. And those birdsounds at the end had me fooled for a long time :-) Track 5: Don't really know what to make of this track. The guitar is nice. I feel that some of the samples for the other voices is sub-par though. But maybe someone like it that way. Good melody. Track 6: Hmmm, more of what I like. Is it because it sounds sort of like simple. Or because it's so complex, with new nuances to discover every time I listen to it. Could be because my brain is warped too. Wish I could make music like this. Track 7: This track starts disturbingly, with some strange sounds. Sort of a bit hard on the ears. Then it goes more musiclike, with a rather slow rythmic pulse with what to my ears sounds like free improvisation on top. It's not bad. But could maybe have been better with a steady goal in the melodyline. The second half of the track is rather different. More spaced out. The better part in my opinion. Track 8: This is more classic TD, except for the rapidity in the changes of the themes. And a good whoomping bassline. A good one. Track 9: Where have I heard this start before? It's something TD, right? Very mysterious in the beginning, then a more straightforward approch. Maybe a bit tiresome some places where I feel there is too much at once, esp. with those string sounds. Track 10: Ouch, bad weather is approching. No, it went away. Instead a very exciting conglomerate of melody and sounds. Lots of things to discover here. Where do that very catching short melodyline come from? Folkmusic? Track 11: A bit excotic with those slides. Good melody and a good beat. And those bells sounds good. Where do that bell melody come from? Best Regards Geir -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQEVAwUBOvcKoiIZEgCohZg6AQH9UAf+IQ54bfPruRlyEtFaDoQwQ+jKiARMuceo rUWdYiBB5JgJjWfPsuy53CTNvTD0UeiDaFbPeOgY9AyRZkhgkabIZzwL9uaP/bl1 +1iuZAexsXp3xMtF3OyUMFtu4xsROZKRGC8cUjnakx30MglgvW1S8MDWlCdbZIeE Sa1Aeh7/cQWAptE/c8YGi10No/FCFWwXZYnPzYV55sRAF6+aJKxMEuS6ECaGV3hF 7la2rzbimPRrFSMW8Xit/YX1G4AftWmNv9Y/FZ35F+Zk3GNT0u6+nuWnEg3HoTVp qhCRsAUsfWqfTmxAVMkTOwIGcJAXMzX0VqKDvY1kUJecpsbshiZTGQ== =ijEL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26891 Re: Review: Dreamwatchers Tale Matthew Stringer Tue 5/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Mon May 7, 2001 9:29 pm Subject: Shepherds Bush 2001 Gig Hi, Travolta here!!!! ;-) Looking forward to meeting you all at the weekend!!! I think it will be a great gig!!! As Heiko said I thoroughly enjoyed the Berlin bash last October (I couldn't help but get into the great grooves) and it was just a taster for next Saturday night!!! (I HOPE). Nice to post a message here again - I don't have much spare time these days to read the list as I bought a house and am studying for an MA in Interactive Multimedia these days (both compete religiously for my time!). OK, take care, Conrad PS Anyone see Olivia Newton John in here somewhere -----Original Message----- From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] Sent: 2001 m. geguţës 4 d. 12:19 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush > It might be just me but everytime the Tangs play DM's the mood of the crowd > seems to wane conciderably until the encores come on!!! I must admit that TDJ Rome really 'rocked da house' with his DJ set last year at the Ground Liftaz label launch party in Berlin (if in doubt ask Conrad 'Travolta' Gibbons ;-) I'm not sure how many people on this list have heard or bought the Ground Liftaz vinyl set, but believe me the crowd will go ape when they listen to tracks like 'Stereolight' or 'Diamonds and dust', because most of the DM3 pieces are based on older tracks from the 70's or 80's (although I'm sure they will also play the remixes of 'Meng Tian' and 'Astrophobia', two tracks I could easily live without) I also must admit that I'm not very enthusiastic about what will be the 'Vintage set'. I really hope they'll play a new 60 minute version of Richochet Part 2 ~lol~ But most probably it will be a 'best of' selection of tracks we all know inside out. Heiko ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Mon May 7, 2001 9:48 pm Subject: RE: old TD concerts and lightshows Wow! I loaded 8 concerts from TD's 75 tour into WinAmp last night. I think I'm starting to understand why so many people love these shows, they are each different, improvised. What made the experience even better was I started to play with WinAmp's music visualization tool, way better than the Rubycon and Phaedra graphic videos. A little Super O Scope with rainbow colors, blur, white spot, water drops and I'm a lightshow guru (IMO). Is the old track on Oranges from France really from 75, its the first time I've heard a Phaedra like concert track? Where is this track from? To those who have helped me get these concert tapes, thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Mon May 7, 2001 11:08 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Review: Dreamwatchers Tale Geir Smedsrud >The opinions herein is my alone. I'm not a musician, have no > clue about music instruments or how to operate them. That should make you more inclined to enjoy and appreciate the actual music and the art in it, rather than technicalities. I have not met one single musician who doesnt say 'I can do that' after having heard a piece of music, especially electronic music - but they owe me an answer when I ask 'but who dont you?' (The answer is, they are not creative enough even if they know the technicalities) Best whishes, Glenn Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26892 SV: [tadream] Review: Dreamwatchers Tale Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Medi Tue 5/8/2001 3 KB 26893 Re: Review: Dreamwatchers Tale Marcel Engels Tue 5/8/2001 3 KB 26894 SV: [tadream] Review: Dreamwatchers Tale Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Medi Tue 5/8/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Tue May 8, 2001 8:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Review: Dreamwatchers Tale > Track 1: > A slow meandering piece with that Vangelis-sound. You know what I mean > > :-) Hmmm, I wonder, is the whole track based on Vangelis? There is some > > unmistaken segments at least, which I would say is pure Vangelis. Not > that I care, I like Vangelis. Therefore I like this track. Pure logic:-) > Pure logic eh? The whole track was a live improvisation, the only thing that was sequenced was the drums. The 'sequence' was done using an arpeggiator. Anyway thanks for the review. Matt. From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 4:04 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Review: Dreamwatchers Tale I wrote: > That should make you more inclined to enjoy and appreciate the actual music > and the art in it, rather than technicalities. I have not met one single > musician who doesnt say 'I can do that' after having heard a piece of music, > especially electronic music - but they owe me an answer when I ask 'but who > dont you?' That should of course be 'why dont you?'..... Best whishes, Glenn Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 5:20 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Review: Dreamwatchers Tale > From: Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media] [mailto:glenn@f...] > > That should make you more inclined to enjoy and appreciate the > actual music > and the art in it, rather than technicalities. I have not met one single > musician who doesnt say 'I can do that' after having heard a > piece of music, > especially electronic music - but they owe me an answer when I > ask 'but who > dont you?' Hmm people who say: I can do that...I think to myself: well why don't you do it then? It's not a question whether someone could also do that, but it is more a question of coming up with those ideas. I mean someone who plays classical music can also play bach or mozart but it is the maker/musician/inventor who thought of the idea and actually came up with it...thats what counts imo. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 3:15 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Review: Dreamwatchers Tale Marcel Engels > Hmm people who say: I can do that...I think to myself: well why > don't you do it then? > It's not a question whether someone could also do that, but it > is more a question of coming up with those ideas. Exactly my point. Best whishes, Glenn Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com From: Tom Richmond Date: Tue May 8, 2001 4:08 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree Hello everyone: Glad to see some reviews of DT showing up on the list. Sorry to hear there are still people waiting for copies... Anyone who still doesn't have their copy or didn't sign up but would like one, feel free to contact me directly to make arrangements to get one. Also feel free to contact anyone you know who has one and ask if they can copy it for you. Apparently some branches of the tree have been less than stellar in fulfilling their responsibilities. This has been noted for future reference. This is the last time I'm posting to the list regarding the subject, so I'd like to make a few comments: A tree is supposed to be a very efficient way to distribute these kind of things, presuming that all who volunteer to do copies for others do so in a timely manner. Some branches were completed in as little as a couple weeks. My thanks to those who handled things efficiently. All participants (leaves and branches) have the responsibility to communicate with those they are connected to in the tree. In those places where the tree was delayed or broke down entirely, this communication isn't/wasn't taking place. I know people have lives outside of these mailing lists - at least I hope they do. ;-) So, in the future, if you don't have the time to be a branch, please don't volunteer to be one. I had plenty of branch volunteers that ended up as leaves just because I didn't need them all. I didn't have any reason to prefer one person to another, except for location. Now I have a bit more info as to who can be relied upon for next time. My apologies to those still waiting. Please contact me directly if you're still in need of a copy, or if you're new to the list and are interested in getting one. Thanks for listening. All further discussion of the DT distribution will be off-list. I don't want to waste any more bandwidth on it. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26904 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree Feldon Feldon Tue 5/8/2001 2 KB 26908 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree Richard F Wed 5/9/2001 5 KB 27003 Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 5 KB 27004 Re: Test Stream. Richard F Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27006 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27007 Re: Test Stream. Richard F Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27009 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27008 Re: Test Stream. Duncan McKee Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27041 Re: Test Stream. Feldon Feldon Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 4:24 pm Subject: Shepherds bush. Gary(HyperboreaUK). See you in the pub.Mines a quadruple Glenfiddich. He he he only joking. Cheers. Astro. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26924 Shepherds bush. Colin Jouxson Thu 5/10/2001 2 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 4:33 pm Subject: Shepherds bush Gary(hyperboreaUK)See you in the pub. Mines a quadruple Glenfiddich. He he he only joking. Cheers. Astro. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26898 Re: Shepherds bush Gary Jenkins Tue 5/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 5:53 pm Subject: Re: Shepherds bush --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote: Hi Colin I think you have already had a few unless it's me seeing double LOL. Cheers Gary Np.Poland to get me in the mood. > Gary(hyperboreaUK)See you in the pub. Mines a quadruple Glenfiddich. > He he he only joking. Cheers. Astro. From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 6:48 pm Subject: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? What time does everyone want to gather at Harveys'? I suggest from about 4.30pm onwards, give everyone plenty of time. After all, I suspect some of us will want to be at the doors when they open at 6.30pm so they can make sure they can get hold of any limited editions that might be on sale but might disappear by the interval. By the way, I'm writing from my Polish e-mail address because I still have trouble sending messages to tadream on my UK address - they're not appearing (michael.hartopp@t... - Joe, any suggestions?) But I have no problem receiving them, the digests are coming through fine. But as I'm on the (painfully) slow Open system of e-mail in the UK - that is, opening it through a TV satellite receiver - can some of you pleeeeaaassseee edit your messages - i.e, the endless repetition of messages that occur when you reply. It takes ages just to go through the digest! Anyway, moan over, I look forward to seeing a lot of you on the day itself - and Geir, at the B&B on Saturday morning, traffic permitting. And, finally, 'Atlantic Walls' seems to be getting increasingly difficult to get hold of - have TDI deleted it? I couldn't get it in Poland, the shops in Leicester have very little TD - and Midas Records and Compact Disc Services don't have it in stock. So, Paul, I may have to gamble and hope some of the stores in London have it... Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26900 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's Conrad Gibbons Tue 5/8/2001 4 KB 26902 Re: Atlantic Walls -> Roger Lasse Gustafsson Tue 5/8/2001 3 KB 26905 Re: Atlantic Walls -> Roger Michael A Jean Wed 5/9/2001 4 KB 26906 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's Heiko Heerssen Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB 26909 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's Brian Stewart Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB 26912 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's glynn_naughton@h... Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB 26913 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's lawlermusic Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB 26918 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's horrod6 Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB 26919 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's Gary Jenkins Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 8:35 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? 4.30 sounds like a good plan!!! Should we wear name tags??? We might look a bit silly but at least we would all know everyone is!!!!!! ;-) Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) -----Original Message----- From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...] Sent: 2001 m. geguţës 8 d. 19:49 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? What time does everyone want to gather at Harveys'? I suggest from about 4.30pm onwards, give everyone plenty of time. After all, I suspect some of us will want to be at the doors when they open at 6.30pm so they can make sure they can get hold of any limited editions that might be on sale but might disappear by the interval. By the way, I'm writing from my Polish e-mail address because I still have trouble sending messages to tadream on my UK address - they're not appearing (michael.hartopp@t... - Joe, any suggestions?) But I have no problem receiving them, the digests are coming through fine. But as I'm on the (painfully) slow Open system of e-mail in the UK - that is, opening it through a TV satellite receiver - can some of you pleeeeaaassseee edit your messages - i.e, the endless repetition of messages that occur when you reply. It takes ages just to go through the digest! Anyway, moan over, I look forward to seeing a lot of you on the day itself - and Geir, at the B&B on Saturday morning, traffic permitting. And, finally, 'Atlantic Walls' seems to be getting increasingly difficult to get hold of - have TDI deleted it? I couldn't get it in Poland, the shops in Leicester have very little TD - and Midas Records and Compact Disc Services don't have it in stock. So, Paul, I may have to gamble and hope some of the stores in London have it... Roger Hartopp ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 9:19 pm Subject: spare copies hi anyone need a copy of the tyranny of beauty promo cd or alexander sq. 7' , i have spare copies and will bring them on saturday if needed. email me off list thanks Duncan From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Tue May 8, 2001 8:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Atlantic Walls -> Roger >And, finally, 'Atlantic Walls' seems to be getting increasingly >difficult to get hold of - have TDI deleted it? I couldn't get it in >Poland, the shops in Leicester have very little TD - and Midas >Records and Compact Disc Services don't have it in stock. So, Paul, I >may have to gamble and hope some of the stores in London have it... > >Roger Hartopp Dear Roger As of my knowledge, TDI currently has Atlantic Wall on their lists. TDI does not sell individual records, but if You are short of some newest records, it might be considerable choice to look http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/stimpackinfo.html Clicking 'Credit Card' button You can select (=look what is available) products You would have. AW is among of them, though. 90 US $ for five records is not highest price seen on internet web sales, and i would rather pour my money directly to TDI than any moneygrabbin' cdnetstore... Bad, if you already have the other records for sale there... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26905 Re: Atlantic Walls -> Roger Michael A Jean Wed 5/9/2001 4 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue May 8, 2001 10:48 pm Subject: Shepherd's Bush Show - RealAudio Small update to the TDI page today, but it's good news: the Shepherd's Bush show will be re-broadcast on the net via RealAudio between May 24th and May 27th. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26907 Re: Shepherd's Bush Show - RealAudio Heiko Heerssen Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB 26994 Anyone ever heard of 'Paul Brookes' Richard F Tue 5/15/2001 3 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Tue May 8, 2001 11:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales tree I made 3 sets of Dreamwatchers Tales for my branch and only 1 person contacted me for their copies, so if anyone needs one, e-mail me. I did my tree right this time. -Morgan From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed May 9, 2001 1:20 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Atlantic Walls -> Roger I have seen it occaisionally at BORDERS BOOKS & MUSIC here in the US > -----Original Message----- > From: Lasse Gustafsson [mailto:lg@t...] > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 4:22 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Atlantic Walls -> Roger > > > >And, finally, 'Atlantic Walls' seems to be getting increasingly > >difficult to get hold of - have TDI deleted it? I couldn't get it in > >Poland, the shops in Leicester have very little TD - and Midas > >Records and Compact Disc Services don't have it in stock. So, Paul, I > >may have to gamble and hope some of the stores in London have it... > > > >Roger Hartopp > > Dear Roger > > As of my knowledge, TDI currently has Atlantic Wall on their lists. > TDI does not sell individual records, but if You are short of some > newest records, it might be considerable choice to look > http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/stimpackinfo.html > > Clicking 'Credit Card' button You can select (=look what is > available) products You would have. AW is among of them, though. 90 > US $ for five records is not highest price seen on internet web > sales, and i would rather pour my money directly to TDI than any > moneygrabbin' cdnetstore... Bad, if you already have the other > records for sale there... > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed May 9, 2001 5:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? Conrad Gibbons schrieb: > 4.30 sounds like a good plan!!! Should we wear name tags??? We might look > a bit silly but at least we would all know everyone is!!!!!! If you see a dude wearing a Ramones t-shirt..... then it's me :-) To be really honest, I'm more looking forward to meet some of you people at Harvey's than seeing TD live, for the first time since I joined the Tadream list 3+ years ago I will finally get to know a few people in person who have become my closest TD friends (most of them live in the UK) Heiko From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed May 9, 2001 6:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Show - RealAudio Sean Montgomery schrieb: > Small update to the TDI page today, but it's good news: the Shepherd's Bush show > will be re-broadcast on the net via RealAudio between May 24th and May 27th. Good news indeed. But since it will be a re-broadcast I'm sure that we will hear some 'tangentizing' on some of the tracks. So bring along your DAT recorders to the show ;-)) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26994 Anyone ever heard of 'Paul Brookes' Richard F Tue 5/15/2001 3 KB From: Richard F Date: Wed May 9, 2001 8:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales tree Hi Tom I'm still waiting to here from the person who was supposed to do the copying. As per my last email to you, I still would like a copy, and if there are any others in the UK still waiting, perhaps I could take over. All I would need is a couple of master disc's (and possibly a copy of the cover file) All the best >Glad to see some reviews of DT showing up on the list. > >Sorry to hear there are still people waiting for copies... > >Anyone who still doesn't have their copy or didn't sign up but would like >one, feel free to contact me directly to make arrangements to get one. Also >feel free to contact anyone you know who has one and ask if they can copy it >for you. Apparently some branches of the tree have been less than stellar >in fulfilling their responsibilities. This has been noted for future >reference. > >This is the last time I'm posting to the list regarding the subject, so I'd >like to make a few comments: > >A tree is supposed to be a very efficient way to distribute these kind of >things, presuming that all who volunteer to do copies for others do so in a >timely manner. Some branches were completed in as little as a couple weeks. >My thanks to those who handled things efficiently. > >All participants (leaves and branches) have the responsibility to >communicate with those they are connected to in the tree. In those places >where the tree was delayed or broke down entirely, this communication >isn't/wasn't taking place. I know people have lives outside of these >mailing lists - at least I hope they do. ;-) So, in the future, if you >don't have the time to be a branch, please don't volunteer to be one. I had >plenty of branch volunteers that ended up as leaves just because I didn't >need them all. I didn't have any reason to prefer one person to another, >except for location. Now I have a bit more info as to who can be relied >upon for next time. > >My apologies to those still waiting. Please contact me directly if you're >still in need of a copy, or if you're new to the list and are interested in >getting one. > >Thanks for listening. > >All further discussion of the DT distribution will be off-list. I don't >want to waste any more bandwidth on it. > >Cheers! > >Tom > > > > >___________________________ >IMPORTANT NOTICE: >This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in >error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by >email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or >distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions >may be unlawful > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de >Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Richard F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Wed May 9, 2001 8:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? Hi To spot me in Harveys - Look for blue/green specs & a loud dragon t-shirt. I believe Stevie has run-up a fetching little number in purple. Dont know if it will sit with the red hair & beard though! Look forward to seeing you all! Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26912 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's glynn_naughton@h... Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Wed May 9, 2001 10:01 am Subject: RE: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey`s Conrad Gibbons schrieb: > 4.30 sounds like a good plan!!! Should we wear name tags??? We might look > a bit silly but at least we would all know everyone is!!!!!! Hi all, My girlfriend and I will come to the Pub between 4.30 pm and 5.00 pm. I have an T-Shirt (black) on the back side is standing my Homepage adress: www.opticaldream.de and on my head you see a Base Cap with Tangerine Dream Logo on it. See you the other Heiko Burg/Germany www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26916 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey`s Richard F Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Wed May 9, 2001 10:06 am Subject: Auction Results Hi all, thank you to all bidder`s and visitor`s on my first auction on www.opticaldream.de . Over 520 clicks in 14 day`s that was great. For the results please click here: www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm After the great sucess of the auction I planed a second auction for October 2001 with more NEW and RARE item`s of Electronic Music. Regards auctionmaster-heiko Burg/Germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed May 9, 2001 10:09 am Subject: Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? I'll probably be there around 3.30, but at some point I might shoot off to the Thai restaraunt round the corner (of course anyone who wants to can tag along...). I'm a bit leery of staying too long in the pub and getting sozzled before the show. Also, add another name to the list of attendees: Mark Gornall, a friend of mine from up north (of England) who will be turning up about 3.30 too. Glynn From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Wed May 9, 2001 10:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? I`m hoping to get there around 5.30ish , dont want to get pissed before the gig ! now afterwards is a different matter ......is anybody going out afterwards that wouldn`t mind a lone musician tagging along ? Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) From: michael.hartopp@t... Date: Wed May 9, 2001 12:04 pm Subject: What I'm wearing in Harvey's... and the concert A black 'Melrose' sweatshirt with three bikes picture and group name discreetly positioned in the corner, covering a black TD teeshirt bought at theBirmingham concert in 1997... Roger Hartopp ---Open Email - Email on your tv with talk21--- From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed May 9, 2001 8:46 pm Subject: Re: DT reviews >>>From: Geir Smedsrud >>>>Pheu! I didn't know there was so much work in doing a review, but I'm all sweaty after doing up my mind about all the tracks on DT. (...) >>>CD1: >>>Track 12: >>>I must admit when I first heard this track, I didn't like it at all. I like it better now, but it's still not my favorite. -------- First of all, thanks everyone for sharing your opinions about DT, it's really a very good compilation. I would like to add one comment: Since my track, the last track in CD1 was mentioned, I thought it would be good to tell you about it. It's called Morse Codes, and what's in DT is only an excerpt of it. The original is slightly longer than 10 minutes, but only the last section of it was used in DT. This last section isn't even the best part, as I see it. This is an improvisation, one of the best I've ever played, and it's much better to hear the whole of it, because then you can notice its development. Also, for some reason the sound quality of the track in DT is worse than the original. It's like a cushion being pressed against the speakers playing the original. I intend to release the original track in some way in the near future, in my page, or as a bonus track in a mp3.com cd, or something. As it is in DT, I found it bad myself, because in that way it sounds like it goes from nowhere to nowhere else. The full version even has a small intro, anyway, it's so much better. To sum it up: as it is, in DT, I find it one of the worst DT tracks. If it was the original 10 minute track, I dare to say it would be one of the best in DT. GJ From: Richard F Date: Wed May 9, 2001 3:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey`s Hi Guys I'm afraid I will not be able to make it. I've come down with a case a pleurisy and feel like death warmed up at the moment. I hope you all enjoy it. Perhaps I can get hold of a descent recording of the concert from someone. All the best -- Richard F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed May 9, 2001 1:45 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] What I'm wearing in Harvey's... and the concert Hi all, I'll be wearing my Millennium Booster 'GWoC' t-shirt for the first time! Looking forward to meeting you all, mine's a pint of Murphy's :-) Cheers Paul Fellows Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26932 Re: Re : [tadream] What I'm wearing in Harvey's.. Rainer Rutka Fri 5/11/2001 2 KB 26934 Re: Re : [tadream] What I'm wearing in Harvey's.. lawlermusic Fri 5/11/2001 2 KB From: horrod6 Date: Wed May 9, 2001 5:42 pm Subject: Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? 4:30 sounds fine to me. I'll be wearing a boring old TDI t-shirt (as will Dave) and an Okefenokee beanie. (Dave _may_ be wearing a badge announcing which birthday he's celebrating - but he'll take some persuading!) LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26919 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's Gary Jenkins Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed May 9, 2001 7:59 pm Subject: Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? --- In tadream@y..., horrod6 wrote: > 4:30 sounds fine to me. > The Best I can offer is two badges on normal clothes TD world tour 82 and my TDIFC badge, the last T shirt I had from 86 it either shrunk or I got bigger. Cheers Gary. Ps. get well soon Richard. > > > > > From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu May 10, 2001 7:05 am Subject: sheperd's bush hi, before you all head off to London and the gig, I wish you all a great time there and of course a good concert. The first one is guaranteed, the second one - you'll tell us later, I hope! Too bad I can't make it even though Dublin isn't that far. Instead I'll be working in a grey cubicle surrounded by computers so I can take an extra day off to a scuba diving trip to Tenerife. Not so bad after all... ;-) I'll listen to TD at home and at work on Saturday. Have fun armin From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu May 10, 2001 11:33 am Subject: And Afterwards? (SBE) Hi Our secondary purpose is to have a good night out! Anyone else going on after? Especially anyone who knows where to go! Best Brian ------------------------ From: 'lawlermusic' I`m hoping to get there around 5.30ish , dont want to get pissed before the gig ! now afterwards is a different matter ......is anybody going out afterwards that wouldn`t mind a lone musician tagging along ? Paul _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26922 Re: And Afterwards? (SBE) Synthhtnys@a... Thu 5/10/2001 2 KB 26923 Meeting at Harvey's pub!! ??? (SBE) Rainer Rutka Thu 5/10/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu May 10, 2001 11:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] And Afterwards? (SBE) I`m hoping to get there around 5.30ish , dont want to get pissed before the gig ! now afterwards is a different matter ......is anybody going out afterwards that wouldn`t mind a lone musician tagging along ? *If there's too much miming during the concert you might find yourself getting pissed during the show... In the American sense of the word anyway... ;-) Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26923 Meeting at Harvey's pub!! ??? (SBE) Rainer Rutka Thu 5/10/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu May 10, 2001 3:48 pm Subject: Meeting at Harvey's pub!! ??? (SBE) Hi! Just wanted to ask when do we meet us at Harvey's pub in London before the Shepperd's Bush concert? I'll be staying in the Grantly Hotel. My plane arrives at 11:30 (local time). So I have enough time. Who else is in the Grantly Hotel? What's about the two Heiko's? :-) See you in London (my first time!!!). Rainer I'll take my camera! --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Thu May 10, 2001 7:47 pm Subject: Shepherds bush. Hoping to arrive from wales late afternoon with a cargo of glenfiddich Hic! Hope to see you fellow TD,ers in harveys. Diolwch yn fawr. Hic! Regards from wales. Astro. From: gyedid@p... Date: Thu May 10, 2001 9:34 pm Subject: best wishes for Bash at the Bush III Hey all, Just dropping to wish all SBE 3 attendees a good time and a good show (as mentioned before, the latter is conditional...). I'm with you in spirit if not in person. have a blast! Gabe who's not optimistic about a N.A. tour come fall... p.s. I probably won't get to see TD (maybe ever), but I can settle for Depeche Mode in June :P Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26926 Re: Mode James E. Jacoby Thu 5/10/2001 2 KB From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Thu May 10, 2001 11:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mode --- gyedid@p... wrote: > p.s. I probably won't get to see TD (maybe ever), but I can settle > for > Depeche Mode in June :P I have my 3rd row center seats for DM already, and I'm especially stoked since I discovered one of my favorite artists, Poe, will be opening up! The last DM show I saw was incredible. As for DM, I've made up my mind... if they come on a limited U.S. tour and skip Miami, I'll definitely fly somewhere else to see them. I think the last time they were down here was on the Optical Race tour, and I wouldn't discover them until a year after that. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu May 10, 2001 11:26 pm Subject: Sit or stand?????? Hi guys With all the talk about the upcoming live-performance by TD, I was wondering. In the recent years a lot of concerts has to be seen sitting down. How many of you would rather stand?????? When I go to watch a band play, I do NOT want to sit down. I want to move to the music. I mean when f.ex. TD is playing their sequencers and beats i will not be able to sit quietly on a chair and watching silently. I seriously want to jump on the chair and start dancing. Why do the bands or people in charge of the concert believe I want to sit down?????? Jan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26933 Re: Sit or stand?????? Brian Stewart Fri 5/11/2001 2 KB 26935 Re: Sit or stand?????? Nigbur D Fri 5/11/2001 3 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Thu May 10, 2001 11:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? I think my world tour 82 t shirt is the only one that hasn't had the armpits rotted by spray on deodorant, but like so many others, it has shrunk too. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Jenkins To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 8:59 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? > --- In tadream@y..., horrod6 wrote: > > 4:30 sounds fine to me. > > > The Best I can offer is two badges on normal clothes TD world tour 82 > and my TDIFC badge, the last T shirt I had from 86 it either shrunk > or I got bigger. > Cheers Gary. > Ps. get well soon Richard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Fri May 11, 2001 1:31 am Subject: ES #11 Hello, You may want to check out the new release of http://www.electronicshadows.com as it features small articles about related artists; Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk, Jarre, Vangelis..... If someone can write a summary of the Dreamwatcher project I can add it, btw. Best whishes, Glenn Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com From: 'David Foster' Date: Fri May 11, 2001 4:45 am Subject: Shepherds Bush See you at Harveys, around 4.30pm. I'm easy to recognise, beard, red baseball cap and Cyclone tour pinbadge. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Fri May 11, 2001 4:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Meeting at Harvey's pub!! ??? (SBE) I have a suggestion for people either before or staying on in London after the concert. Try the millenium wheel (eye). It's worth the trip. Great views, especially at night. Or Kew during the daytime. Beats battling the crowds in Oxford Street. Is that Dali exhibition still on? David From: Rainer Rutka Date: Fri May 11, 2001 6:53 am Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] What I'm wearing in Harvey's... and the concert On Wed, 9 May 2001, Paul Fellows wrote: > Hi all, > I'll be wearing my Millennium Booster 'GWoC' t-shirt for the first time! > Looking forward to meeting you all, mine's a pint of Murphy's :-) > Cheers > Paul Fellows Hi Paul and ya'all! I'll be there at Harvey's at approx. 16.30 - 17.00. I'm waearing a TD-shirt (of course). Which one - I don't know. Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Fri May 11, 2001 8:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Sit or stand?????? Hi On Saturday we are standing. Personal preference, but in other times I reckon TD would have been better appreciated with your arse firmly planted in a chair & your head elswhere! The last sit down concert (folksingers excluded) I attended was by Yes, it was a very different experience to seeing them long ago, outdoors, standing in a muddy park. Mind you I was being ultra-sad by taking a pair of binoculars to study Steve Howe's fingering technique! Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri May 11, 2001 10:27 am Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] What I'm wearing in Harvey's... and the concert I`ll be wearing a small pair of hotpants with a Linda Spa T-shirt . ;) Paul From: Nigbur D Date: Fri May 11, 2001 2:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Sit or stand?????? With the dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us recently, I suppose standing up and dancing would be a more adequate way of appreciating the music. I think the sitting-down concert are a leftover from earlier days, where sitting back, closing your eyes and listening intently used to be by far the superior approach. But since even the 'classic' set gets beat-ified now, just go ahead and dance. Dennis > ---------- > From: PERGAMON[SMTP:pergamon@g...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 11 May 2001 00:26 > To: tadream > Subject: [tadream] Sit or stand?????? > > Hi guys > > With all the talk about the upcoming live-performance by TD, I was > wondering. In the recent years a lot of concerts has to be seen sitting > down. How many of you would rather stand?????? > > When I go to watch a band play, I do NOT want to sit down. I want to > move to the music. I mean when f.ex. TD is playing their sequencers and > beats i will not be able to sit quietly on a chair and watching silently. > I seriously want to jump on the chair and start dancing. Why do the bands > or people in charge of the concert believe I want to sit down?????? > > Jan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Fri May 11, 2001 10:04 pm Subject: 15% discount coupon at CD Now Hi all. There's a new discount coupon at CD Now, 15% off - minimum purchase 9.95 dollars. Expires May 22. URL is: http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-3836499 -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sat May 12, 2001 12:57 am Subject: Shepherds bush aggro Hi all I went to the Empire tonight to see Porcupine Tree, superb gig but what a chore to get there. I come in from the east (Basildon) and i made my way to the central line which was closed between marble Arch and some station beyond the Bush. To cut a long story short we ended up on all sorts of lines and it took us an hour and a half to get from Tower Hill to Shepherds bush, it was a nightmare. I hope it will all be fixed for tonight but I advise anyone coming in that way to check. The district line to hammersmith and hammersmith/city line to the Bush is the most straightforward alternative.Also, the late night eastbound trains are now running from fenchurch street again. All made for an interesting night. Gig was blinding though. Phil. From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 1:25 am Subject: Shepherd's Bush Mini Report Well, I'm just back from Shepherds Bush Empire and I must say I really enjoyed it. Highlights for me were the Logos remix, the Force Majeure remix, and Towards the Evening Star remix. In all TD played non-stop (except for 2 x 3 minute breaks) for 2 hours and 45 minutes. The first half consisted of a 'vintage' set in as much as it was new mixes of old tracks and after about an hour and a half, Edgar and Jerome (and the guitarist) left the stage to allow the female percussionist (very active and energetic - and quite sexy the way she gyrated while playing them bongos!) to showcase her talents for about 3 minutes before they all regrouped and headed into a more modern set. I felt TD lost their way a little at this point, although the rest of the crowd seemed to disagree with me. Maybe it is because I didn't really recognise any of the new tracks, because although I own all of the albums, I've probably only listened to the last half a dozen a couple of times each. After about two and a half hours TD left the stage for another 3 minutes only to reappear to perform the obligatory 2 track encore, followed by a finale which was another encore of Purple Haze. Only complaints were that at times both the percussion and guitar seemed a bit forward in the mix, and also sometimes seemed to be being played just for the sake of it. As usual, I never saw either Edgar or Jerome attempting any live sequencing or lead lines, sticking to barely animated chord playing, but to be honest, I hardly took my eyes off the percussionist all night as she was so lively. She seemed to really enjoy herself, and it's a shame I couldn't hear Edgar properly when he introduced her, though I'm sure someone caught her name. I met a few new people (not as many as I hoped but I didn't arrive in Shepherds bush until after 5:30). I spent the night with Roger Hartopp and Paul Lawler on the back row of the first level (ahem! - perhaps I should rephrase that) and after the gig it was back to Harveys for a quick couple of 'Red Bulls' and then it was back up the M6 for the 3.5 hour journey home, clutching my only purchase of the evening - DM3 - The Past Hundred Moons, which incidentally is currently playing. The album is in a nice digipak, but I'm not sure whether this the is standard release format or a 'Shepherd's Bush Special'. Anyway, I have taken some photos of the case and have uploaded them to http://www.thisolehouse.freeserve.co.uk/dm3.html if anyone is interested... unfortunately I forgot to take my camera to London. Duh! Anyway, I'm sure someone will be able to post tracklistings etc (I'm hopeless at that sort of thing). Best regards Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26939 Re: Shepherd's Bush Mini Report Frank Arellano Sun 5/13/2001 5 KB 26941 Re: Shepherd's Bush Mini Report Vic Rek Sun 5/13/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 2:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Mini Report Thanks, Lawry! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Lawry Simm' To: Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 7:25 PM Subject: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Mini Report > Well, I'm just back from Shepherds Bush Empire and I must say I really > enjoyed it. > > Highlights for me were the Logos remix, the Force Majeure remix, and Towards > the Evening Star remix. > > In all TD played non-stop (except for 2 x 3 minute breaks) for 2 hours and > 45 minutes. The first half consisted of a 'vintage' set in as much as it was > new mixes of old tracks and after about an hour and a half, Edgar and Jerome > (and the guitarist) left the stage to allow the female percussionist (very > active and energetic - and quite sexy the way she gyrated while playing them > bongos!) to showcase her talents for about 3 minutes before they all > regrouped and headed into a more modern set. I felt TD lost their way a > little at this point, although the rest of the crowd seemed to disagree with > me. Maybe it is because I didn't really recognise any of the new tracks, > because although I own all of the albums, I've probably only listened to the > last half a dozen a couple of times each. > > After about two and a half hours TD left the stage for another 3 minutes > only to reappear to perform the obligatory 2 track encore, followed by a > finale which was another encore of Purple Haze. > > Only complaints were that at times both the percussion and guitar seemed a > bit forward in the mix, and also sometimes seemed to be being played just > for the sake of it. As usual, I never saw either Edgar or Jerome attempting > any live sequencing or lead lines, sticking to barely animated chord > playing, but to be honest, I hardly took my eyes off the percussionist all > night as she was so lively. She seemed to really enjoy herself, and it's a > shame I couldn't hear Edgar properly when he introduced her, though I'm sure > someone caught her name. > > I met a few new people (not as many as I hoped but I didn't arrive in > Shepherds bush until after 5:30). I spent the night with Roger Hartopp and > Paul Lawler on the back row of the first level (ahem! - perhaps I should > rephrase that) and after the gig it was back to Harveys for a quick couple > of 'Red Bulls' and then it was back up the M6 for the 3.5 hour journey home, > clutching my only purchase of the evening - DM3 - The Past Hundred Moons, > which incidentally is currently playing. The album is in a nice digipak, but > I'm not sure whether this the is standard release format or a 'Shepherd's > Bush Special'. Anyway, I have taken some photos of the case and have > uploaded them to http://www.thisolehouse.freeserve.co.uk/dm3.html if anyone > is interested... unfortunately I forgot to take my camera to London. Duh! > > Anyway, I'm sure someone will be able to post tracklistings etc (I'm > hopeless at that sort of thing). > > Best regards > Lawry > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 2:24 am Subject: DM3 Just discovered that the 'Logos' remix that I liked so much at Shepherds Bush is in fact track 9 (The Comfort Zone) on DM3. Ace! *8-) From: Vic Rek Date: Sun May 13, 2001 5:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Mini Report Hi Lawry, Thanks for the nice and quick report. You got me interested in that drummer. Did she look like any of these folks at this link :-) http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/dm3.jpg ??? Vic Lawry Simm wrote: > Well, I'm just back from Shepherds Bush Empire and I must say I really > enjoyed it. > [...] > - and quite sexy the way she gyrated while playing them > bongos!) to showcase her talents for about 3 minutes before they all > regrouped and headed into a more modern set. [...] From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 8:50 am Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush Mini Report >Hi Lawry, > >Thanks for the nice and quick report. You got me interested in that drummer. >Did she look like any of these folks at this link :-) >http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/dm3.jpg ??? > >Vic Heh, heh.. that would be a resounding 'no'. The drummer was (from what I could see given that I was in the back row) tall, very slim, very long curly reddish-brown hair which was tied back. I could also tell she had a tattoo around one of her arms but I couldn't make out her face from that distance. Oh and (girls stop reading!) she had a really nice bum! *8-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26999 Re: Shepherds Bush Mini Report Armin Theissen Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27000 Re: Shepherds Bush Mini Report Heiko Heerssen Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 9:42 am Subject: SBE concert Hi just like to say TD produced a superb concert last night, great choice of music now looking forward to playing DM3,wearing my DM3 T shirt as I write, XL as they say one size fits all. Sorry did not get to meet as many people as I wanted to due to the FA cup final Harvey's was packed spent most of time at Walkabout met Colin and Glyn, then rest of it in queue making sure got seat on level one. Cheers Gary. From: D.Nigbur@r... Date: Sun May 13, 2001 10:45 am Subject: Shepherd's Bush Mini Report II Hello folks, just logging on from home (which I don't do often!) to share some experiences of the evening with you. First of all, a kind hello to all the people I met at Harvey's before and after the concert - after talking to some of you on the list for some time, it was great to meet you all in person! Personally, I loved the concert and thought they were very much better and more creative than in the 1997 tour. Many of the new mixes from DM3 had been nicely woven into the overall fabric of the performance, instead of setting aside part of the concert exclusively to dance stuff, as had been indicated previously. Also, some of the bridges between individual pieces were extended to the point of becoming mini-compositions themselves - probably the nearest we were going to get to an all-new set, and very well executed too! I didn't hear Edgar's introductions at the end of the concert, so I'll have to refer to Edgar and Jerome's sidekicks as 'the guitarist' and 'the percussionist'. I didn't recognise either of them, although they may have been involved in some of TD's studio work before. The guitarist was pretty good and did a better job of 'Warsaw in the Sun' than Zlatko did four years ago. On the other hand, the same problem that pertained to Zlatko then also applied last night; since the guitarist wasn't playing another instrument, he tended to get relegated to spectator status or pass his time playing little chords and doubles over the synthesisers, which could be annoying at times. The percussionist was similarly lively and extroverted as Emil Hachfeld was in 1997, the main difference being her obvious preference for the bongos and a spectacular tendency to play even the other parts of the impressive drum set with her bare hands! Complete with the dreadlock bunches and an almost flirtatious interaction with the audience (in contrast to the more traditionally detached Edgar and Jerome, who nevertheless did join in and crack some jokes towards the end!), she almost did a too good job at stealing the show. Similar to the guitar, I thought the percussion did get overdone on occasions in an attempt to showcase the instrumentalists. But she certainly seemed to be enjoying herself. The set, played continuously over nearly three hours, was completely different from the 1997 offering, the only point of overlap being 'Warsaw in the Sun', which received the usual warm reception. Other highlights included some Logos- and Thief-inspired remixes from DM3, a drum duet between Jerome and the percussionist (I felt sorry for Jerome when the applause was a bit late in the coming at the end of that impressive sequence), and some extended sequences which - to my knowledge - haven't been released officially at all! I think I recognised a lengthy track labelled 'Coronation' on the Sea of Dreams bootleg - must check! This middle part of the gig, especially, was well worth the visit. On the whole, they seemed to play a lot of Mars Polaris, and some Dm3. More surprisingly, a fair bit from 'Optical Race' resurfaced (Cat Scan, Midnight Trail), the opening part of 'Livemiles' was given a nostalgic airing, and they even went as far back in time as to play the concluding sequence of 'Force Majeure'! I couldn't make out anything from the Seven Letters or GWoC, which I found a bit surprising. On the other hand, maybe I just didn't hear it...which brings me to the only major criticism I have about last night. I was on the second level of the venue in what seemed to be a pretty full theatre. The sound quality was RUBBISH. After the first few sequences, it was not unusual for the drums, bass and percussion being so loud in the mix that they made the galleries vibrate, obscured much of the subtler textures in the music, and caused the odd painful feedback. As a consequence, and without the alternative of stealthily sneaking onto the first or ground level of the theatre, I didn't hear much of the music for certain stretches of time, other than a blaring tapestry of drums and bass notes. Oddly enough, in post-concert conversation at Harvey's, it turned out that people with first-level seats had better sound quality, while people near the stage on the ground floor almost found it too quiet. Maybe there was a problem with the sound mixing or the PA system? Edgar and Jerome have complained in the past of mixers and technicians at their concert venues being insensitive to their style of music. Maybe there is a lesson there. Apologies for this mini-report turning into a more lengthy affair after all. I hope you enjoyed it anyway. Also, I hope I can keep in touch with all the great people I met last night, and if anyone happens to have taken notes for a track listing, please post it on the list. Greetings to you all. From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Sun May 13, 2001 12:02 pm Subject: Shepard's Bush Empire The great Hurricane no longer, now simply a cold November drizzle.... From: 'Christopher Lomas' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 12:49 pm Subject: More Shepherds Bush Reflections For what they're worth, here's some more reflections on the Shepherd's Bush gig... (I enjoyed it - I think, but with reservations...) As a relatively new fan - (of only seven or eight years standing!) I'd been hoping to get the chance to see the chaps in action ever since hearing Logos. So I went to Shepherds Bush with mixed expectations - it was going to be great to finally see them (whatever they played), but I knew that I had to curb any hopes of seing the sort of improvised, other worldly sequencer fest of years gone by. Still, I'd enjoyed Dream Mixes 1 & 2 and loved Mars Polaris, so the omens were still good for a great night. Ten minutes into the gig and I couldn't quite decide if I was enjoying it as much as I should be. Twenty minutes in and the sound composition was really starting to bother me - too much guitar, slightly too much percussion that didn't quite seem to fit at times, and a bland pallete of keyboard sounds. I know this debate has raged before (and I don't want to open it up again now) but the array of keyboard voices seemed to me, too limited as to give sufficient definition to specific pieces. And with the keys seemingly quite low in the mix anyway, and the guitar too upfront, some sections threatened to descend into soft rock muzac territory. Bu, nevertheless, it was Edgar and Jerome up there, and I'd waited a long time to see them, and I really did want to enjoy myself. And, in truth there was still a lot to enjoy. The Logos remix didn't convince initially, but soon won me over and was possibly the highlight of the evening. It was nice to hear Livemiles and Force Majeure too, and of the newer stuff the Mars Polaris selections (of which there were quite a few) sounded especially good. Despite my misgivings, the guitarist and percussionists did good jobs. For me, the guitaris was at his best when making subtle contributions, not prancing around as a pretend rock god. Admittedly as has already been pointed out, some of his contributions were so subtle as to be rendered fairly meaningless. But that percussionist really knew her tom toms. She was quite captivating in fact, and certainly made the biggest contribution to my enjoyment of the gig - for all sorts of reasons! Ceratainly I can see the sense in drafting in guest players from Edgar and Jerome's point of view. With so many sampled keyboard parts, they added a live edge that would otherwise have been lacking. (And, if we're being cynical about it, this certainly went some way towards masking Edgar and Jerome's lesser contribution!) Edgar was practically catatonic at times (albeit in a fairly cool kind of way) and his contribution rarely extended beyond simple chord work. Jerome too was rarely stretched, although both dad and son seemed to be enjoying themselves. The second half of the evening seemed a little bit leaden at times. Too much of a muchness. Little variety compositionally, and little to distinguish between tracks. The segues were usually entertaining, albeit sometimes appearing to be drafted on as opposed to flowing seamlessly between pieces. Still at a little under three hours, it was an excellent evening's entertainment for the money (sorry, starting to sound like a consumer affairs programme now.) In retrospect I think I probably enjoyed it more than I thought at the time. (By the end of the week, I'll probably be raving about it!) Ceretainly it was always going to be hard for the band to compete with my expectations, but they enteratined me, they provided me with some more fine concert memories, and they gave me the impetus to enjoy a fine day out in London - so I'm happy. Apologies for the length and rambling nature of the above - not bad for a lurker! Chris Lomas PS Apologies to some people who I would have liked to have met and said 'hello' to, (like Thomas T and Heiko) with whom I've had some fine off list dealings - hope you and the other list members had a great time. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 5:42 pm Subject: Impressions of Bush Saturday 12 May dawned the sunniest and warmest day we have had so far this year. A T-shirt and shorts day, all day. As it was so good I walked round the fields to the station. Got to the station were there was lots of security to stop fans without tickets trying to board trains for the Cup final game. My ticket was checked 3 time before I could even get on the train, and once on the journey. 1 hour and a half later I got to London. I had some things to get that the family wanted from London. Did the shopping at Covent Garden. Oxford Street was busy as usual. It was so hot people were carrying bottles of water with them. I got the essential taping gear and headed for open space. Due to work and home I am lucky if I get 10 minutes to myself. So the day was a good opportunity to chill out. Lazed under some cherry trees in Kensington Gardens for a few hours. People were having fun in the sun and playing with boats on the lake. I looked up at the leaves against the clear blue sky thinking about the coming concert. We could be the leaves. All part of the same thing (tree) but we would see a slightly different view of the sun (concert). Got the taping machine ready. Weather too good to use the tube. I walked to Shepherds Bush and checked out the venue and pub. I have been several times before to the venue but with long gaps in between. Unfortunately the windows in Harvey's were blacked out with bin liners. Inside it was so packed with people watching sport on wide screen. You couldn't move and it was so loud. Conversation would have been next to impossible. What a disappointment. Gave that a miss. I returned to the venue, queued up and was near the front. The fans seem to be getting older. There were some younger fans, mentioning they got into TD from 1986. Many were wearing past T-shirts. The oldest was from 1980/81 tour. There were a lot of Great Wall of China T-shirts. As usual the fans chatted to each other about their TD experiences, concerts and dislikes. Most seemed to like the 'middle phase'. They hoped for a special appearance by a past member. I recognised Rainer from his picture on his web-site. We chatted about the happenings backstage. The concert seemed to be a sell-out but it is a small venue. If you haven't been it's like the theatre the muppets used be in on their shows. Old, fancy, purple and gold. As its small you feel as if you are part of things. The doors opened on time. The security let everyone in with no checks. That's unusual. Usually it's the third degree and worse than airport immigration. So far so good. I went up to the balcony (level 1) and completely walked past the merchandise counter without noticing it. At the balcony I asked about the merchandise and was directed back down again to the main entrance. The stand had a black T-shirt with the DM3 cover on it, T-shirt with the words Ground Liftaz, a DM3 CD and the Ground Liftaz 12 inch singles. Being black on black it was easy to miss. Did the shopping. Went back upstairs. By this time I got a seat on the aisle, Row C. Great place for a view and between the the sound stacks for sound quality. The light system looked like the usual house system. Whilst waiting I got talking to old and new faces. The lights went down and the curtains opened. In the middle of the stage Edgar's and Jerome's keyboards were side by side, as if they are about to serve in a fast food takeaway. The computer towers on each end like book-ends and at the back of them. All are dressed in black and Edgar looks just like the Ages cover. The percussionist had a large kit all around her and guitarist squeezed on stage on the right. The band opened with a new number. Not sure what it was, could have been Prime Time. Things move slowly and up comes Comet's Figure Head. This sounds near to the original. Next security are confiscating virtually everyone's recording and camera equipment, including mine. I thought I had mine hidden enough. Did anyone get a recording? The music is going slowly and fans are rather low key about it. The place is very hot and the band are getting through a lot of towels. Band looks tired with the heat. I think something from Poland was played. Fans liven up. Toward the Evening Star comes. Fans are happy now. The percussionist has a good time playing bongos / tablas. She had to compete against the pre-loaded electronic percussion which was louder. Guitarist plays mostly rhythym. The mix is generally in the middle with few high and low ends. E & J play what looks like 2 parts per keyboard, mostly string and brass effects. The computers take care of the melody / solos. The light show passes out over the audience. Some effects look just like the European Union flag. Then there's the Bush symbol for their nightclub. Kind of tribal look to it. So I think it was the house system. I'm not sure of the order of tracks. Bits from Architecture in Motion come. Fans roar when they recognise introductions. We get the long version of Timesquare. Some things sound in a different key or with altered tempo. Some of Le Parc gets aired. Fans are very happy. The anthem from, I think the end of track 1 of Livemiles comes on. Great stuff. More of Architecture in motion. Thunderous percussion and guitar. Things are getting like heavy metal. At some stage we get Logos. Or rather the Comfort Zone. I like this version. You can hear the Wake Up voice. The feel, dare I say, was reminiscent of Kraftwerk on the 1980 tour with Gary Numan motifs off Are Friends Electric. In the show generally some chord changes are dischordant. But then they are repeated so they were meant to be in there. Yeah, I feel like I'm hearing a lot of new stuff. Remixing to something new. Feet are tapping. Some fans downstairs are swaying. You could have danced to a lot of it. The bridges were short and rhythym was maintained. The feel has similaritiies to Orbital and Banco de Gaia if you need names. Astrophobia comes. Some of the alien feel from it is reserved to the end. The middle almost has a Viennese waltz tempo. Alien like ending to the track. Some more new stuff. There's been no break and the band have been on stage for a long time. At one stage percussionist does her solo, Edgar joins in. An anthem approaches. Is it Sony Topping out? Someone somewhere must have got out perfume. The heavy scent goes through the air. Back lighting comes on. There's this image of bright light behind Edgar's head. Yeah he had a halo for a while. Power chords and stately keyboard work. Great anthem to end with. Band looks happy now. Band go off and come back very quickly. Notes begin to play. Could that be Desert Dream off Encore? Am I hearing things? .....oh my God, the first encore is Encore! Fans are very happy. The key themes and sounds from encore appear...the stepped part from Coldwater Canyon. The whole is a piece of its own. It runs into main themes from Force Majeure. At one stage, I don't recall if it was here percussionist plays heavy kit. Jerome and percussionist duet with electronic kits. Things move into Thru Metamorphic Rocks. Distortion, loud everything. Edgar gives thumbs up to the audience, shows that its Jerome's show and then gives the signal for the band to rap it up. Band goes off and quickly comes back. Purple Haze - thrash version. Guitar is rythymic, not 220 Volt melodic solo. Guitarist all over the stage. Full on music and lights. It all comes to an end. Edgar grabs the mike and introduces the band. He mentions that people have come to the concert from Hong Kong, Brazil and USA. He seems pleased... and says see you all in the States. Fans chat as they go out. I think they all liked it but mentioned they felt deaf. Rainer and I moan about the security. Some fans are staying. Some want to meet up. I can't stay. I have to go for my train. I bump into Heiko on the way. Back in Bristol by 2am. The memories of the day and show are good. Yeah, it was Dream Mixing. Enjoy. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26948 Re: Impressions of Bush Phil White Sun 5/13/2001 2 KB 26958 Re: Impressions of Bush Bill Fox Mon 5/14/2001 3 KB 26968 Re: Impressions of Bush Deborah Johnson Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Impressions of Bush Hi all Many thanks to David Foster for excellent and evocative write up on the 'Bush Event' only sorry that I couldn't get there myself. Looking forward to the proposed webcasts from May 24th onwards.... Did anyone get a recording ? ;-) Cheers again David ATB Phil From: David Hughes Date: Sun May 13, 2001 6:24 pm Subject: Shephard's Bush Hello all, Just a quickie : back from the Empire gig and what a brilliant gig! The place was BLOODY PACKED! My first ever three hour concert! I dunno how they kept going, especially the percussionist! Brilliant! Regards David -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk From: colin_anderson@e... Date: Mon May 14, 2001 10:34 am Subject: Shepherds Bush Excellent match reports from Dennis, Christoper, David and Lawry. Keep them coming as they're a great insight to those of us that couldn't manage to the show (it's times like this that living in Australia is a real pain in the ass). Well, it seems as if Ms/Mr Bongos has caused a bit of a stir, and maybe more so than the likes of Linda Spa ever did. TD have always needed something, apart from the music, to make their shows a bit more entertaining all-round. Trad TD shows - and by that I mean right up to FFH - were suited to lights and lasers and the feel of the music fitted in with this. Since then, in line with the bands more upfront image, the shows need someone on stage with a bit of energy and motion. Let's face it, Eddie and Jerry aren't exactly the sort to show more emotion that the odd foot tap...... and since the SBE light show wasn't all that much cop, it sounds as if it would've been a bit dull if it wasn't for the gyrations of Ms/Mr Bongos. TD with a possible TV on stage? Good on ya, guys! From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Mon May 14, 2001 11:28 am Subject: Bash at the Bush III Hello there, OK folks, I'll pitch in with my impressions of Bash at the Bush III. For an overall score I'll give the concert 5 out of 10. The day was gorgeous, which I found quite disorienting as TD has previously made a habit of performing in the UK in winter. I arrived at the Grantly Hotel which is only a hundred yards or so away from the Empire at about 2pm. My friend Mark arrived a couple of minutes later, and we agreed to meet up at Harveys later on. However, when later arrived I could hear Mark snoring loudly in his room but was unable to wake him so I sauntered over to the pub myself. Outside I met Heiko Heersen, Duncan McKee, Colin Jenkins and friend. As it was FA Cup Final day Harveys was packed so we went over to the Aussie bar next to the venue. Met various tadreamers throughout the afternoon (hello Rainer, Gary et al) and did various bits and bobs until it was time for the show. At about 7.30 the curtains opened to reveal TD in their standard configuration, with the percussionist stage right, then Edgar, then Jerome, using the same equipment setup that they've been using since '97, then the snap-in Seattle guitarist (back to Gerald Gradwool for this show) with his Marhshall amplifier. The only difference was that the percussionist was not Emil Hachfield but a red-haired girl who looked about 14 and wiggled her bottom a lot whilst playing bongos. As usual there was no attempt to rearrange the music to integrate these musicians' parts - they simply added essentially irrelevant and often inappropriate flourishes to the CD versions. Needless to say, Edgar and Jerome did not play a single note, and have now reached the point where they don't really even try to mime. It was a hot night, and several times Edgar nonchalantly took both hands off the keyboards to towel himself down. Jerome's stage demeanor was also as lazy and indifferent as usual. Presumably because of the time constraints there was no true half- time break. Instead, the boys trooped off stage whilst the bongo player gave the bongos a thrashing for a couple of minutes. Anyway, following is my best attempt to reconstruct the first-half set list from memory: [Unknown - guitar thrash] Cat Scan Comet's Figure Head Cool at Heart Force Majeure Going West First piece from Livemiles 2 The Comfort Zone Warsaw in the Sun The Midnight Trail Longing for Cashba Of these the highlight for me was the Logos remix, which I now know is 'The Comfort Zone' from DM3 - a really tremendous reworking of music from both the original album and Logos '88 track (although this section doesn't appear in the DM3 version) in the by-now-familiar Jerome techno style. The second half consisted of various stuff in a Dream Mixes style. It kicked off with Prime Time (oblique references to Silver Scale but no samples of the original track) and included Towards the Evening Star (blue gravity mix), TimeSquare (the version from What a Blast), Astrophobia and Outland. However, I can't supply a detailed set list because my concentration had started to wander by this point. I found myself looking at the architectural flourishes on the Empire's walls and ceiling and trying to remember their names, as well as daydreaming generally. Because Edgar and Jerome weren't playing anything and because there were no back-projections or a decent light show, once I was over the initial thrill of seeing Edgar up on stage again there wasn't that much to hold the attention. I tuned back into the show at the end of the main set, which concluded with a track that was very similar in arrangement and style to Beach Theme '97, and which clearly had the feel of a finale, which was what drew my attention back to the stage. The band went off stage to enthusiastic applause then came back to do Stereolight and Diamonds and Dust from DM3, followed by Purple Haze. From a distance the guitarist looks like Geddy Lee, and when he took centre stage to strike some heavy rock poses it almost seemed like TD had been replaced by Rush. Verdict: it was OK, but I've seen it all so many times before that it's wearing thin. Live, TD has been static since Bash at the Bush I in '96, aside from trivial and gimmicky changes like employing pointless percussionists, whether bottom-wiggling or not. I've heard enough collages of vintage TD glued together with ham-fisted bridge passages to last me a lifetime, and Jerome will soon have dream-mixed the entire TD ouvre, at which point he will presumably need to come up with his second musical idea or call it a day. Or maybe he could then start to remix the remixes; hang on, though, he's already doing that. The whole Dream Mixes thing, whilst producing some very enjoyable music, is serious old hat, and its ongoing nature suggests that TD's creative engine is now running on fumes. I mean, I really liked Logos, but there was no need for a Logos II or Logos III - back then TD still had enough gas in the tank that they didn't need to spin out a good idea. On to the Dream Mixes III CD, which I bought at the venue, and which I really like. This concentrates on remixes of classic TD from Encore, Thief, Poland, Logos and White Eagle. The problem I have with it is the credit 'Composed by Edgar and Jerome Froese'. I'm sorry, but this is just not true. The classic remixes feature extended selections from the original music, and it's poor form that Chris Franke, Peter Baumann and Johannes Schmoelling are not even mentioned on the sleeve. In particular, 'Girl on the Stairs' (better known, of course, as 'White Eagle'), is a very slightly different version of the piece from the 1997 tour CD, which was correctly attributed to Franke/Froese/Schmoelling. I hope that TDI at least had the decency to come to some financial arrangement with the disinherited ex- members behind the scenes. I find Jerome's willingness to take credit for things he didn't do to be thoroughly disreputable, and he has absolutely no excuse as TD now have full control over everything that they release - and that includes the laughable assertion on the Dream Mixes home page that TD are the godfathers of modern dance music. *Edgar* can claim godfather status, but Jerome was still sucking his thumb while Froese senior and colleagues were helping lay the foundations for a whole area of modern popular music. As far as I'm concerned, Jerome still hasn't proved that he is anything more than an over-indulged boy who got lucky in his choice of dad. So: an enjoyable show? Yes, but with serious reservations. In spite of my homily of a couple of months ago about taking every opportunity to see TD while they're still around, I probably wouldn't bother any more to go to one of their regular concerts unless it was right on my doorstep, or unless they had found a new direction and some new ideas. Even the best can only trade on their past for so long, and with this fan at any rate, TD's account is now just about empty. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26959 Re: Bash at the Bush III Sean Montgomery Mon 5/14/2001 3 KB 26965 Re: Bash at the Bush III gyedid@p... Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon May 14, 2001 11:38 am Subject: Ms/Mr Bongos Hi The percussionist's name is Iris, I couldnt catch her last name, both at the concert or when we met briefly in the hotel next morning. She is a pleasant, & very fit young woman. Her hair, by the way is purple!. Edgar was also happy & relaxed. He clocked Stevie in his DM3 t-shirt and returned our salute with a big smile and a wave. Best Wishes to all whom we met on Saturday. It was a great night for us! P.S. Paul, Laura sends her thanks. Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26953 Re: Ms/Mr Bongos Rainer Rutka Mon 5/14/2001 4 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon May 14, 2001 11:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ms/Mr Bongos On Mon, 14 May 2001, Brian Stewart wrote: > Hi > The percussionist's name is Iris, I couldnt catch her last name, both at the > concert or when we met briefly in the hotel next morning. She is a > pleasant, & very fit young woman. Her hair, by the way is purple!. Edgar Yes, I agree. She's very friendly and nice. > was also happy & relaxed. He clocked Stevie in his DM3 t-shirt and returned > our salute with a big smile and a wave. > > Best Wishes to all whom we met on Saturday. It was a great night for us! > > P.S. Paul, Laura sends her thanks. > > Brian > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Mit den besten Gruessen! Rainer Rutka --------------------------------------------------------------------- K+R Informationssysteme Konstanz E-Mail : rainer@k... Klimas und Rutka GbR Griesseggstrasse 27 D Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 D-78462 Konstanz Fax : +49 (0)7531 29879 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'Zentrum fuer objektorientierte Softwareentwicklung und -design' Spezialisten fuer : SMALLTALK, UNIX und Windows/NT www.k-r.de - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Thomas' Date: Mon May 14, 2001 3:13 pm Subject: Stockhausen Dear friends on the list, I'm watching the Polar Music Price Awards as I'm writing this, and as some of you might know, Carl-Heinz Stockhausen received the price for 'alternative' this year. It's awsome to watch an entire audience of about 1500 people sitting dead silent with their eyes closed, spellbound by the music. In the audience I can see celebrities such as members of the Swedish Royal family, other Swedish music artists (normally associated with pop music) and of course Burt Bacharach who won the other part of the price this year. I wonder if this will affect the music output for the next period to come, if it will have any impact on the musical society. The piece he's playing I think is named 'Gesang für Jugend', and it's a very long piece, wildly experimental. It's full of surprices and a lot of fun to listen to. I say it's a Great day for electronic music in the world. Have fun in London everyone! Best regards, Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri May 11, 2001 4:19 pm Subject: dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us recently On Fri, 11 May 2001 15:44:33 +0100 Nigbur D writes: >[. . .] dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us recently [. . .] Oh relax. Would you rather have three album's worth of something like TYRANNY OF BEAUTY? I like dance-oriented stuff. I was a disco boy 1978-1979 and now have more disco than rock in my LP collection. Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26969 Re: dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us E Neal Frost Mon 5/14/2001 3 KB 26970 Re: dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us Greg Tue 5/15/2001 3 KB From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 10:12 am Subject: The Bush Report Well for my point of view this was the 10th time I had seen the Tangs live and I was left feeling somewhat disappointed. The female percussionist (Iris) and the guitarist (didn't catch name) didn't seem to add anything positive to the overall sound of the band. Sure the Logos remix was absolutely the highlight of the evening, but when they played Diamond Diary (from Thief) (Diamonds and Dust on Dream Mixes 3) and the excerpts from Tangram I couldn't see the point in all those bongos. Perhaps I'm just a purist. The tracks from Poland too didn't benefit from this 'modern' mix. So to the lady with the bongos. It took me a few glances to work out whether she was a male or a female. Honest! I too watched her for quite a while and at times the electronic percussion was beating out it's tunes and I couldn't work out what she was contributing too the overall sound. There would be a cymbal smash and she would hit hers, afterwards. Did anyone else pick up on this. And as for that twiddling stick - what was that all about eh? Nope, I'm sorry but from my point of view she was 'the weakest link'! The guy on guitar stood there for most of the evening looking lost and again, could we honestly pick out his contribution in the overall mix? When he did get the chance to 'move' about he looked a bit 'play-pretend'. I mean did Edgar ever act in this way in order to produce his ear- splitting solos. I think not. Don't get me wrong I love the Tangs and have done for over twenty odd years now and welcome any chance to go and see them live but this concert was a bit flat - both musically and visually. I'll now sit and wait for numerous notes of disagreement. Oh well, as I said earlier I'm one of the purists amongst us. DM3 will probably get plenty of spins but in 3-4 years time I'll still be playing the Froese-Franke-Baumann(Schomelling-Haslinger) material much more readily. Warmest Regards, Kevin. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26960 Re: The Bush Report gnmorgan@b... Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB 26961 Re: The Bush Report Marcel Engels Mon 5/14/2001 3 KB 26964 Re: The Bush Report Rainer Rutka Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB 26967 Re: The Bush Report mengels@w... Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB From: '199' <199@1...> Date: Sun May 13, 2001 2:56 pm Subject: Re: TD Shepherds Bush 12.5.01 London was very hot... and I was hoping to meet lots of people from the TD list... and met no one ..?? I got there at 5.30 where was everyone ... ?? anyway inside the hall I talked to fans other than on the list.. the event was very social. TD came on at about 7.22 pm ... left for a break for 2 mins at 9.00 and played till 9.50 pm and did 2 encores plus one more and finished 10.14... so they more more of less played continuously for 2 hrs and 45 mins... the music consisted of about 2/3+ of old material updated with new beats and about 1/3 new material .... so we all got our money's worth ... the concert was sold out no seats or spaces anywhere.... There was a female drummer/percussionist and a guitarist but well there as decorative features and no real input to the music.... but the female drummer really got into the music and was very energetic... I loved her hair... when she got into the grooves... wow !! Realy Hot !! I had a standing ticket and was right at the front about 10ft away from Edgar ... it was a good atmosphere and consisted of a lot of 'older' fans .... many had 1981 and 86 T-shirts etc and there were a lot of younger people there.... early 20's... and 60 year olds...so a large cross - section of people.. and females there to !! At the end I think Edgar said they would do the States next maybe .....?? did anyone else hear that ... I bought the DM3 Cd which is quite interesting.. well thats it folks R ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Did you YADA Today?! Get your FREE email account @ http://www.yada.com From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 9:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Impressions of Bush -----Original Message----- From: David Foster Subject: [tadream] Impressions of Bush >Next security are confiscating virtually everyone's recording and camera equipment, including mine. I thought I had mine hidden enough. Did anyone get a recording? Thanks for the report, David. I've often wondered what happens to the recording equipment that gets confiscated during a concert. Will you get your kit returned? If not, what kind of loss did you suffer? BTW, I didn't realize that there were TWO TD lists on OneList/eGroups/Yahoogroups/whatever... I joined the other list upon my return from Okefenokee. I joined this list today. Please visit my personal web site for the Oke reports and links I've been collecting. If I've missed any, please let me know so I can update my site. Cheers, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal Website: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon May 14, 2001 4:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bash at the Bush III The reviews of the Bush show posted here and in the band's guestbook confirm what I'd feared...that TD has nothing to offer as a live act anymore. Of course, it can be argued that this has been the case since at least 1988, but I think it has finally reached the point of ridiculousness. To me, if all I want to hear is a CD being played, I can do that at home. I go to shows so I can see a *performance*; so I can see the music being played by the artists who wrote it (that's why I hate big arena shows...you can't see what's happening onstage from the nosebleed seats). If that means simplifying the songs, removing parts, rearranging some things...so be it. Just as long as it's a *live* show. Other electronic acts that I've seen live - The Chemical Brothers, The Orb, and Moby - manage to play parts live and elevate the material beyond the recorded versions. But TD won't do that now, whether out of fear of hitting bum notes, or shear laziness. It's sad, really. If they do indeed tour on this side of the pond come October, I won't bother to drag my girlfriend along. If TD *fans* are bored by the show, how will non-believers react? I can just imagine how they'll get savaged by Edgar's arch-enemies, the 'dancing grizzlies'. I may not even go myself. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26965 Re: Bash at the Bush III gyedid@p... Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Mon May 14, 2001 5:37 pm Subject: Re: The Bush Report I agree, they've ransaked the crown jewels to make a few cheap trinkets. Gary. > Perhaps I'm just a purist. The tracks from Poland too didn't benefit from > this 'modern' mix. From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon May 14, 2001 5:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The Bush Report > From: Kevin Robert Ball [mailto:KevinBall@T...] > (snip) > > I'll now sit and wait for numerous notes of disagreement. Oh > well, as I said > earlier I'm one of the purists amongst us. DM3 will probably get plenty of > spins but in 3-4 years time I'll still be playing the > Froese-Franke-Baumann(Schomelling-Haslinger) material much more readily. You just said your opinion about the music and the concert...nothing wrong with that. I wasn't there at the concert, but I think I can understand what you're saying. For me about 95% of what TD is doing now is not really interesting. (again thats my view). I'm going to see Gandalf in concert here in my own town this Friday...I must admit that if I had to choose between the 2 I would choose the latter. (would be a totally different story if it was 15 years ago). I'm sure Edgar gets bored of these stories and don't want anything to do with it (besides tampering with the 'take your hands off the' older material). Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26964 Re: The Bush Report Rainer Rutka Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB 26967 Re: The Bush Report mengels@w... Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon May 14, 2001 6:44 pm Subject: Shepherds Bush Concert Hi all, A BIG Thank you to Edgar and Jerome for this wonderfull long Concert in London. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon May 14, 2001 6:42 pm Subject: Shepherds Bush Concert Hi all Dreamers, has everyone recorded this great long Concert (2 hours and 45 minutes - without an break). Please contact me offlist, thank you. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon May 14, 2001 6:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The Bush Report On Mon, 14 May 2001, Marcel Engels wrote: > > From: Kevin Robert Ball [mailto:KevinBall@T...] > I'm going to see Gandalf in concert here in my > own town this Friday...I must admit that if I had > to choose between the 2 I would choose the latter. > (would be a totally different story if it was 15 > years ago). OK! But to be honest: Gandalf's good old times are far away. His first 5/6 LPs are masterpieces. But what he's doing today is just muzak (I M O !). Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26967 Re: The Bush Report mengels@w... Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB From: gyedid@p... Date: Mon May 14, 2001 7:21 pm Subject: Re: Bash at the Bush III (snip Sean's rant) I think there's a very simple solution to this, and I certainly don't see why TD won't act on it. They seem to have no problems with hiring guest guitarists and percussionists, so why not hire a competent guest keyboard player to play at least SOME of the lead lines live? Heck, how many of the keyboardists on this list would jump at the opportunity to play live with TD? You don't suppose it's an ego issue, do you? Gabe From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Mon May 14, 2001 7:47 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Stockhausen Not to forget, Robert Moog got the Polar Music Award's special achievement prize. Best whishes, Glenn Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com From: Date: Mon May 14, 2001 9:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The Bush Report >Quoting Rainer Rutka : > > OK! But to be honest: Gandalf's good old times are far away. His > first 5/6 LPs are masterpieces. But what he's doing today is just > muzak (I M O !). I agree that his first 5 are his best. He did 2 or so real new agey albums (and a symphonic album), but all the others have something. (imo). I did see a concert about 4 years ago and it still is one of the best concerts I saw... He DID play piano and minimoog and different guitars and it was all live. Some day a time machine will be invented so that I can go back for a few hours and enjoy a 70/80s concert. :-) Sorry, I'll stop rambling. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Mon May 14, 2001 9:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Impressions of Bush David: << It all comes to an end. Edgar grabs the mike and introduces the band. He mentions that people have come to the concert from Hong Kong, Brazil and USA. He seems pleased... and says see you all in the States. >> This is what I hoped to hear! Enjoyed all the concert reviews and it has me craving to catch them live too. You lucky bunch! Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Mon May 14, 2001 10:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us recently If I might be permitted to open up this can 'o' worms...what is SSOOOOO bad about Tyranny of Beauty? I happen to like this album, but all I hear in this list is that it is trash. I am not trying to start another flame out over this, but I am just curious why I should think it is trash as well. Some one break it down for me..... Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:19 PM Subject: [tadream] dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us recently > On Fri, 11 May 2001 15:44:33 +0100 Nigbur D writes: > > >[. . .] dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us recently [. . .] > > Oh relax. Would you rather have three album's worth of > something like TYRANNY OF BEAUTY? > I like dance-oriented stuff. I was a disco boy 1978-1979 > and now have more disco than rock in my LP collection. > > Steven Feldman > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Greg' Date: Mon May 14, 2001 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us recently I agree with you Neal, ToB is in my top three list of 90's material. The reason I say this is that ToB has some real emotional content while maintaining a good formal structure. There is also a warmth about the sound and it seems to flow sound wise in the way Force Majuere did with mixing acoustic and electronic. Some say it sounds the same between tracks - I'd say it's more cohesive than a lot of other modern TD work. Catwalk is brilliant, Living in a Fountain Pen has great build up and I love the sax part in how it flows from the e-guitar. The title track is beautiful and I also like Stratosfear 95 as well. It's also nice to know that ToB hasn't been hacked with remixes like most other 90's albums and in the one instance on the album where there is a remix - Catwalk being my favorite remix on DM1. Greg H. > If I might be permitted to open up this can 'o' worms...what is SSOOOOO bad > about Tyranny of Beauty? I happen to like this album, but all I hear in this > list is that it is trash. > > I am not trying to start another flame out over this, but I am just curious > why I should think it is trash as well. Some one break it down for me..... > > Neal From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 6:55 am Subject: bash at the bush III Hi, I've read through your bush gig reports and really regret that I couldn't make it this time. Well, I've been at bash I only, didn't go to bash II as I've seen them in Bonn and Glasgow during that time. But this time it was a unique one again... Would have loved to meet you all and some of you again in London. I'll be in the States in October, so maybe I'm lucky and TD happens to be around there as well... however, I'm afraid not since I'll be in Hawaii, to be precice. Though, Mr Froese, it wouldn't be such a bad idea to follow 'The King' and do a Hawaii show, would it? ;-) Hope somebody here has some photographs or even more to share with us ;-) and I'm overly curious about Iris #-) cheers armin From: wyslannik@y... Date: Tue May 15, 2001 8:05 am Subject: S.B. concert Hi, I really enjoyed last Saturday, on the TD gig, but I can't understand, why Force Majeure was just a sample with a bit of overdubbing (almost unhearable), why tangs didn't played melodic lines live on other vintage-pieces (like Going West, Live Miles). It was great to see TD's show, but that was not real live show, as TD used to play at past time.... Best regards to all people I met in overcrowded, noisy Harvey's (wasn't there better place to meet?). Jakub from Poland PS. Yep, I'm gonna see TD 1st September in Warsaw :) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27024 Re: S.B. concert Michal Moroz Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27030 Re: S.B. concert Michal Moroz Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27038 Re: S.B. concert vic rek Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 8:30 am Subject: Re: Gandalf ( was The Bush Report) From: Rainer Rutka > OK! But to be honest: Gandalf's good old times are far away. His > first 5/6 LPs are masterpieces. But what he's doing today is just > muzak (I M O !). Rainer ! Have you heard his Visions 2001 album, it is excellent, it echoes the sound and style he had during his early years, recommended imo. Marcel you lucky dog having this fine musician playing nearby, unfortunately he has never toured around England ( i don't think anyway!) so i have never seen him live. Would love to some day though. Nick NP Rainbow Serpent / Voices of the First Day Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... ICQ 44174543 From: colin_anderson@e... Date: Tue May 15, 2001 9:40 am Subject: Shepherds Bush I guess it's easy for us to have a go at TD these days when it comes to them playing 'live' (and the concerning thing is they set themselves right up for the negative comments and don't seem to worry about it) but how much of the FFS and FFH shows were really live? I'm not saying that they weren't, or that the current performances are acceptable, but are we looking back on past shows with the old rose- tinted specs on and thinking that they were more live than they actually were? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26979 Re: Shepherds Bush john@p... Tue 5/15/2001 4 KB 26991 Re: Shepherds Bush Marcel Engels Tue 5/15/2001 2 KB 26996 Re: Shepherds Bush Feldon Feldon Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 11:51 am Subject: Shepherds bush concert. After three and a half years i was waiting with great anticipation for Tangerine dreams latest appearance on the british mainland. A very nice sunny day and meetings with many fans added to the excitement. After downing several ciders in the local walkabout bar in company of gary,heiko,duncan,john and speaking to many more people in the cue the doors finally opened. Off to the bar for a very inflated pint of cider and the wait was over. The curtains came across and there they were. Edgar(the silver fox)Jerome looking like a beefie defense man from a stateside football match,Gerald with his trademark pony-tail and a very interesting percussionist with a nifty little backside.Hmm! I am not going to ramble on but will just say i thouroughly enjoyed the evening.The inclusion of cat-scan and live-miles(extract) was a pleasant surprise as was the excellent logos,but what did it for me was the superb astrophobia&the new reworking of the classic diamond diary under the new title of diamonds&dust.I for one will be back to see them again,if they ever decide to visit us.It seems there have been many differing opinions of the evening but as an individual i went home to South Wales a happy man. I hopr the persons who had their photographic equipment siezed had it rightly returned because, after all we are only fans. How i managed to get a good 15 to20 snaps from down the front god only knows,i just hope they come out. Watch this space.There was one SBE employee who quite fancied himself as a tough-nut he had more swagger than the great John-W himself. Seemed to like the littler guys.Typical.Sometimes anything around the 210lbs mark can come quite in handy. I would like to thank all the people i met,you really are a great bunch. Best regards to all. Astro From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 12:12 pm Subject: [tadream] Memories of Shepherd's Bush Hi all, I'm still recovering from the trip over from France, but thought I'd write a few words about last weekend. One highlight for me was briefly meeting Edgar purely by chance before the concert. I turned up outside Shepherds Bush Empire at about 2.20 pm. Waiting there was a solitary fan called Steve from near Frankfurt in Germany (not a list member) who told me that Edgar would be there in a few minutes, and sure enough he drew up in a car only 10 minutes later! He was with a tall black lady with long dreadlocked hair, no idea who it was, didn't see her again (half suspected at the time it might have been Jocelyn B Smith who sang on 'Tyger' which would have made an interesting contribution to the concert, but on reflection she didn't resemble the photo on the album sleeve). We rushed past Edgar to the stage door as he was momentarily delayed chatting to someone else (who I later found out was Martin from TDI, wish I'd said hello!) and dived into my bag to find a CD for him to sign, Great Wall of China was the first to come to hand. He actually started speaking to Steve in German, so I made a joke that I couldn't speak German but could speak French if he wanted, he smiled, shook my hand and signed the CD. Steve gave him a framed photo montage of the band in front of a futuristic sculpture in Osnabrück, From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Mon May 14, 2001 11:22 pm Subject: Never Say Never Again Well Folks: After swearing that I'd never return to the mailing list, here I am eating a big plate of crow (southern-fried with gravy, that is...). After meeting up with so many great folk at the Okee gathering, I decided to bite my tongue and return to stay in touch with the group (and maybe get some Tangerine Dream news, too )! It's good to see you all again! - jim 'I had a friend who was a clown... when he died, all his friends went to the funeral in one car... ' -- Stephen Wright Jim Moore -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA E-mail: moxica@m... Web Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~moxica From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 7:36 am Subject: SBE 2001 Having read more negative reviews on this list regarding Saturday night's concert than positive, may I take this opportunity to remind everyone (and to inform those who weren't able to attend) that TD received a STANDING OVATION at the end of the show. Both the opening bars and conclusion of virtually every track was met with rapturous applause, and when the stage was finally empty at the end of about 2 and a half hours of continuous music, the audience demanded the band come back on stage and play some more. None of this is my opinion; these are simply the facts. Baring them in mind, does this sound like a concert by a band who have nothing left to offer as a live act? For the record, the reason we see neither Edgar nor Jerome performing much keyboard work live on stage is because they are both guitarists. I'm certainly not defending their lack of 'live' playing durings shows, I'm merely pointing out that, in a similar way to Jean-Michel Jarre (initially trained as a classical guitarist himself), neither Edgar nor Jerome are particularly fluid or skilled pianists. And as much as I loved his contribution to TD, even Chris Franke, by his own admission, is not a keyboard player, but a drummer. In the past, the more complex live playing was left to Schmoelling and Haslinger. In leiu of such a skilled keyboard player, modern TD now 'presents' its music live rather than playing it. In fact, going back to the 70s and 80s concerts, a certain percentage of their live music has always been pre-recorded, whether it be through sequencer loops, complex drum patterns, or effects recorded on tape. In essence, they have always simply played chords, lead lines and some effects over pre-recorded backing rhythms. These days, the backing seems to represent a far greater percentage of what we, the audience, actually hear. And to distract our attention from the fact that a largely static Edgar and Jerome don't seem to be playing too much, we are given lilvely percussionsits and a guitarist to paper over the top of the music to differentiate it from the standard CD versions with which we are so familiar. I know some people will strongly disagree with this, but I for one can live with that. The fact that I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of Saturday's concert is the greatest testament I can offer. And judging by the deafening cheers, whistles and applause at the end of an epic concert, I don't think I was alone either. - Chris Owen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26987 Re: SBE 2001 glynn_naughton@h... Tue 5/15/2001 2 KB 26989 Re: SBE 2001 john@p... Tue 5/15/2001 7 KB From: john@p... Date: Tue May 15, 2001 10:29 am Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush --- In tadream@y..., colin_anderson@e... wrote: > how much of the FFS and FFH shows were really live? I don't think I have any rose-tints here. There's enough evidence in the archive of (looks around to check which list he is on) evil bootleg recordings that I couldn't possibly condone to make a reasonable stab at knowing. FFS: I'd say that they had a /fairly/ high proportion of backing, but were generally playing reasonably significant parts. Example - Liverpool 81, has JS getting carried away and running his Mini solo into EF's guitar bit and has it cruelly cut off. I always had my doubts about the Logos tour mimed but I've recently heard things that have pointed to that being 'real' too. FFH: 86 was, if anything, better that the FFS times. Some real (albeit minor) differences between shows, and PH playing parts that would have been left as sequences in the past. Post 86: Sounds like less got played, but I'd given up, so I'm no expert. Personally I always found the amount on the backing a /little/ disapointing. Comparing the Liverpool 80 concert (which I went to) with the Brussels 80 (which has a lot of extra bits added) it's clear that they could and did do nothing for stretches of the set. I missed the more fully played (and improvised) FFB days, even at the time. But they certainly played enough, and they are still the best concerts I've been to in my life. Today, I don't think anyone expects the entire thing to be played. It doesn't really suit the style of music they are presenting now. But to play nothing, or next to nothing... that's not what musicians do. That's what pop stars do and we laugh at them. Sorry, you pressed a button! jc [ I think this is my first posting here, so an introduction is in order as I don't get a sig when web-posting. I'm John Christian, member of Airsculpture (see www.airsculpture.com). TD fan since about 79, gave up around 86/87 ]. From: 'Keith Richie' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 1:00 pm Subject: Boring Concert News It's sad to hear that the recent TD concert was so bland. I was fortunate to hear them in 1988 when they came to Dallas, Texas USA and played at the Starplex for the Optical Race Tour. This was the only chance I had to see them, and they have not (from my knowledge) returned to the lone star state since then. That concert was pretty good, and at least Edgar got up on stage and played guitar live, and it 'appeared' that Paul Haslinger played the piano live. If they ever come back my way, I will definately go to the concert, but I pray that I don't experience what you guys did at Bush Empire. Later Keith Richie http://www.mp3.com/KeithRichie keithrichie@o... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27011 Re: Boring Concert News Jim Moore Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27019 Re: Boring Concert News goozer@a... Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27020 Re: Boring Concert News PENFOLD Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27014 Re: Boring Concert News Synthhtnys@a... Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27017 Re: Boring Concert News John McIntyre Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27021 Re: Boring Concert News Jim Moore Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon May 14, 2001 11:04 pm Subject: TYRANNY OF BEAUTY On Mon, 14 May 2001 18:04:24 -0400 'E Neal Frost' writes: >If I might be permitted to open up this can 'o' worms...what >is SSOOOOO bad about Tyranny of Beauty? I happen to like >this album, but all I hear in this list is that it is trash. I used to hate it, myself, but it has grown to be one of my fave TD albums. That said, I find that it has an excessive amount of lead guitar noodling that is exhausting for this listener. That's why I said that I wouldn't want three albums in this vein. Besides, TYRANNY OF BEAUTY is one of TD's least electronic albums. >I am not trying to start another flame out over this, but I >am just curious why I should think it is trash as well. You shouldn't think it's trash. That's way too harsh. Besides, 'Catwalk' and 'Quasar' came from this album's sessions, and they are two pre-DREAM MIXES gems! >Some one break it down for me..... Does the above help? >Neal Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 1:55 pm Subject: Memories of Shepherd's Bush part 2: Anyway, on to Harveys (which a lot of people unfortunately didn't realise has a quieter downstairs bar that emptied considerably after the football final was over) and chatted/exchanged CDs and anecdotes with various people from the list such as Heiko Heerssen (Germany), Duncan McKee (UK), Roger Hartopp (Poland), Gier Smedsrud (Norway), Conrad Gibbons (Ireland), Craig Cordrey (Scotland), Marion and others whose names escape me. We also had a quick photo session where a non list member took photo after photo, one each on about 6 different cameras! It was really great to meet you all, it's a pity that it was all so rushed. On to the queue, in which I met a couple of other list members (Glynn Naughton, his friend Mark and Heiko Neumann with his girlfriend). I had met that legendary collector Rainer Rutka earlier in the day so we got chatting again and ended up going into the concert together and sitting in adjacent seats at the front of the first level. What a nice guy, and so knowledgeable about the band, he told me quite a few things I didn't know (for example how many people know that TD were approached by Michael Mann to do the music for the enormously successful TV series 'Miami Vice' but couldn't do it because they were committed to the rather less successful 'Streethawk' at the time?) From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 1:57 pm Subject: Memories of Shepherd's Bush part 3: Poor Rainer was very unlucky when the concert started, he started taking photos with his digital camera at the start of the first track and was immediately dragged away by a female member of security. She tried to confiscate his camera but he eventually persuaded her to give it back (he had a press pass from the magazine 'German Rock'), but he missed the first three songs as a result. I have to say that I was initially surprised about the lack of checks going into the concert, but after that it became clear that they had a 'catch 'em in the act' policy for cameras and recording equipment, judging by the fact that this was not an isolated incident. I saw one the security guards confiscating something from someone right at the front near the stage at one point too. One thing that annoyed me was after 2 hours of being confined to my seat I decided to stand up and lean on the rail. Some guy in his fifties immediately told me to sit down again, a bad sign! I was amazed that most of the audience was catatonic for the majority of the gig considering the danceability of most of the tracks. At least they showed their appreciation between the tracks, but TD's efforts to make dance-oriented music seem to be failing. I wonder if this is because of the nature of the music or the type of fans they have? probably a bit of both. From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 2:02 pm Subject: Memories of Shepherd's Bush part 5: but the concert lasted for 2 hours 45 minutes, the ticket cost less than 20 quid, there were some fantastic moments (the first track of the second set for example, which neither Rainer or myself recognised) and for once the band were smiling and seemed to be enjoying themselves despite being obviously very hot. I got a horrible premonition at the end when Edgar made his speech that he would announce his retirement from the band, but fortunately he didn't. Despite a few stiff bones here and there he can still cut the mustard with the best of them! One last thing. A lot of people queued up by the stage door extremely patiently after the concert (including Rainer) but they were still there 2 hours later when I drove past on the way back to Oxford, was their patience rewarded does anyone know? Paul Fellows (France) From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 1:59 pm Subject: Memories of Shepherd's Bush part 4: I would have danced if it wasn't for the fact that I would have been the odd one out and besides I got the feeling that security were keeping an eagle eye on anyone who so much as moved a muscle. By the way, you should have seen the road crew arriving before the concert, they made Millwall football fans look like kittens! They launched some very fruity language in our direction, we thought they were the local Mafia until they disappeared into the stage door! Did I enjoy the concert? Of course! I think some of the negative comments from some list members are due to the fact that they've seen them live several times before. No-one can say that they're bad musicians or that they weren't trying to entertain the audience with their music. OK, the light show was almost non-existent, the guitarist and percussionist's contributions were sometimes out of context and/or too low/high in the mix (even unnecessary at times?), occasionally the choice of material was rather bizarre in the first half (too much 'Optical Race' for my taste for example) and there was a lot of evidence that the band were miming, particularly apparent when Edgar was moving his hands up and down the keyboard during 'Purple Haze', the band were anything but animated and the sound quality was rather dubious (not their fault I suspect)... From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 2:01 pm Subject: Memories of Shepherd's Bush part 1: Oh great, my message got cut off half way through, so I'll have to send it in 5 parts (sorry for the waste of bandwidth, and for the fact that I didn't realise I had rambled to that extent!): One highlight for me was briefly meeting Edgar purely by chance before the concert. I turned up outside Shepherds Bush Empire at about 2.20 pm. Waiting there was a solitary fan called Steve from near Frankfurt in Germany (not a list member) who told me that Edgar would be there in a few minutes, and sure enough he drew up in a car only 10 minutes later! He was with a tall black lady with long dreadlocked hair, no idea who it was, didn't see her again (half suspected at the time it might have been Jocelyn B Smith who sang on 'Tyger' which would have made an interesting contribution to the concert, but on reflection she didn't resemble the photo on the album sleeve). We rushed past Edgar to the stage door as he was momentarily delayed chatting to someone else (who I later found out was Martin from TDI, wish I'd said hello!) and dived into my bag to find a CD for him to sign, Great Wall of China was the first to come to hand. He actually started speaking to Steve in German, so I made a joke that I couldn't speak German but could speak French if he wanted, he smiled, shook my hand and signed the CD. Steve gave him a framed photo montage of the band in front of a futuristic sculpture in Osnabrück, From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue May 15, 2001 2:03 pm Subject: Re: SBE 2001 Hello there, --- In tadream@y..., 'Chris Owen' wrote: >Having read more negative reviews on this list regarding Saturday >night's concert than positive, may I take this opportunity to remind >everyone (and to inform those who weren't able to attend) that TD >received a STANDING OVATION at the end of the show. Yeah, but downstairs was standing only ;-) Actually, I think the consensus has been on the whole positive, certainly more so than '97. I enjoyed it, but obviously not as much as you. Glynn From: Grant.somerville@v... Date: Tue May 15, 2001 7:10 am Subject: Thoughts on SB Hello Phil, Lawry, Paul, Craig and All Thanks for all the reports so far. Right, deep breath, here we go... Having been utterly mad about TD since 1980. This was, unfortunately, the final nail in my TD coffin. I got seated on level 1 and still had my camera with me. Made the mistake of getting some light readings before the house lights went out. Tap on the shoulder, goodbye camera, see you after the show . Curtains open and the setup is as expected with E and J centre stage, percussion to the left and guitar to the right. I'm not going to go through the set as this has been talked about at length already. What was blindingly obvious was the piss piss poor sound mix!! Yeah, it was loud enough, but it was so bland. Occasionally the bass would sound right and rattle you but it was few and far between. And as for those f****** bongos. They appeared to get more prominent in the mix as the set progressed. This is nothing against Iris who was great at what she did and obviously enjoyed herself. It just added nothing for me personally The guitar, on the whole didn't add anything to the proceedings. It got to the point that the 'music' was being swamped by the bongos and the electronic percussion. I may be wrong but I do think that E and J were actually playing. I can't recall a specific example but do remember thinking that what they were doing with the keyboards matched what I was hearing at some points. It was nice to see some interaction between father and son and when they went into Diamonds and Dust Edgar looked to the crowd and gave them a thumbs up as if to say this is the bit he liked best. Me too, Edgar. It got a huge cheer from the crowd as well. When all is said and done, I think I got what I expected musically. But somebody, somewhere needs to employ a competent sound engineer for the mixing desk. I too, left SB feeling quite let down. Somewhere deep within, I still had had a hope that what I was looking for musically would become reality, but it was not to be. Going off on a tangent for a second, the DM3 cd is very, very good. I always worry when I see that the cd was mastered by you know who using you know what. The sound quality is stonking. With how I feel at the moment, I won't be doing any more 900 mile driving trips. But never say never. I have driven 450 miles round trip to Jodrell Bank three times this year and on each occasion have had a far,far better experience than the one I got at SB last weekend. All IMHO Kind Regards, Grant S. From: john@p... Date: Tue May 15, 2001 2:30 pm Subject: Re: SBE 2001 For the record, I have no problem with people still worshiping every note that TD produce. It no longer works for me, and so - quite simply - I resisted the urge to go to see them for old times sake. I also have a big downer on bands who mime. Again, for people who don't mind: No problem. But there's some things here I *have* to respond to. I can't help myself. I know should keep out of this... --- In tadream@y..., 'Chris Owen' wrote: > TD received a STANDING OVATION at the end of the show [...] does this sound like a concert by a band who have nothing left to offer as a live act? I don't know how relevant this is. It's quite obvious from the postings here and elsewhere that a lot of the people loved the concert. But compare this - filling (?) a smallish London theatre with selling out the Hammersmith Odeon at the end of a multi-venue UK tour. They clearly have nothing (or much less) to offer the tens of thousands of people who didn't bother showing up. > For the record, the reason we see neither Edgar nor Jerome performing much keyboard work live on stage is because they are both guitarists. Eh? Edgar has been playing keyboards for decades. The fact he played guitar earlier doesn't really change that. If Jerome is a guitarist, then why do they hire in a session player to do the guitar parts? > I'm certainly not defending their lack of 'live' playing durings shows, I'm merely pointing out that, in a similar way to Jean-Michel Jarre (initially trained as a classical guitarist himself), neither Edgar nor Jerome are particularly fluid or skilled pianists. And the music on offer is not so technically demanding that they shouldn't be able to play it. > And as much as I loved his contribution to TD, even Chris Franke, by his own admission, is not a keyboard player, but a drummer. Maybe he said that, but he's clearly a keyboard player and synthesist. Maybe he was just being modest. Anyway, by this logic he'd be a trumpeter. > In the past, the more complex live playing was left to Schmoelling and Haslinger. Agreed, the 'third man' has generally been someone who can handle more pyrotechnic parts. But that's a long way from saying the others can't play anything. What about Edgar's Monolight piano solo? And things like JS's Logos solos, which I suspect only he could play, were composed for and probably by him. How many parts like that are in the current set (and if any, why?). > In leiu of such a skilled keyboard player, modern TD now 'presents' its music live rather than playing it. Fine, but the people who are complaining are complaining *because* of that. For those who find that acceptable, enjoy. > In fact, going back to the 70s and 80s concerts, a certain percentage of their live music has always been pre-recorded, whether it be through sequencer loops, complex drum patterns, or effects recorded on tape. I've covered that in my last post, if it ever creeps through moderation. > In essence, they have always simply played chords, lead lines and some effects over pre-recorded backing rhythms. Chords + lead lines + effects. That's called music. Apart from percussion and singing it really covers all the things you could possibly play. When I last saw them (Bush I) they didn't seem to be playing anything that was a significant part of the music (and possibly nothing). From what I can tell from the postings, this time they didn't play anything. That's a BIG difference to some backings. For most of the 70s the sequencer was part of the performance, too. > These days, the backing seems to represent a far greater percentage of what we, the audience, actually hear. 100% is a qualatative difference, not just quantative. > And to distract our attention from the fact that a largely static Edgar and Jerome don't seem to be playing too much, we are given lilvely percussionsits and a guitarist to paper over the top of the music to differentiate it from the standard CD versions with which we are so familiar. This is really making the most of a bad job! You can go and see thousands of bands with a percussionist and a guitarist. Surely you go to see TD for TD, not the guests. And when I went to see TD, one of their great strengths was presenting new, often never to be released music. Each concert (or later, tour) was something special. > I know some people will strongly disagree with this, Oh yes! Please don't take it personally, that's for E&J :) > The fact that I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of Saturday's concert is the greatest testament I can offer. Can't ask for more than that. jc From: jshoults@f... Date: Tue May 15, 2001 2:52 pm Subject: miming and such (warning: long) OK, there's a lot of people who believe that TD 'mimes' playing- that they don't really 'play' during a concert, but rely on (presumably) DAT or other datasource. Of course, this is viewed as an egregious art crime, just short of plagiarism, 'not really playing', and challenges their status as artists or performers or whatever. I'm wondering just where one would draw the line on this definition when you consider that there are two extremes: 1) manually playing an analog instrument 2) simply hitting the 'play' button on a boombox onstage (didn't Kraftwerk do that once?) Depending perhaps on how familiar you are with TD's software, you may believe they lie anywhere along the line between these two extremes. We're talking about synthesizers here, instruments that process sound, or emit sounds in a way that one may not be able to do naturally (see #1). **It is all about making more sound -in a controlled fashion- with less effort, isn't it?** If there is a type of synthesizer (read: computer) that is capable of not only creating the sound, but arranging it and emitting it in a certain way, are you suggesting that the artist should not use it to its fullest capability? What I mean is how much do you really know about how TD makes the sounds happen onstage? You assume that because you don't see their hands make every note happen that is is 'less' than if they manually produced every single note? Would it make you happier if they had never used sequencers at all? How about if they played every friggin single note of every sequence? How about if they hired even more session musicians to play lots of notes for them? How sure are you that they haven't gotten there synthetically? Edgar has eaten, breathed and lived synthesizers for 30 years. He's seen the mechanical tape-loop and air-driven kinds to the cheezy jap- pop midi kinds to the kind that exist only in software. It's not like he hasn't done his homework on how to make more sounds with less effort. Remember the 'E-ball'? Does anybody know about Todd Rundgren's project several years back where he could make many coordinated musical sounds happen at once, all from a one-person control console? Has anyone here imagined themselves playing TD's music all by themselves, despite the fact that it is usually 3 people making it happen? I've closed my eyes and imagined what it would take in my mind: Virtual Reality goggles and gloves that allowed you to control sequences all over your field of vision. You could manually move sequences by drag and drop, and you could see the entire timeline of the music, and move sequences around, make them fade in and out, stretch them, shape them for envelope effects, blend them, etc, doing it all visually and manually - like object oriented programming, in a way. Given that TD is steeped in the technology that could make this *kind* of thing possible, how near do you think TD can get to that? Purists, stuck in their 'you are only allowed a simple, one- instrument, 10-note sequence per person at any given time to still be considered a true electronic musician' mode, would shun the idea of object-zing chunks of musical code for assembly in real-time for a performance. Purists would rather hear what could be only produced by two musicians, with two hands each, and only as fast as they could manually flip the dials and switches- as if this is somehow more 'organic' and therefore, more legitimate. They would also refuse to believe that perhaps Edgar and Jerome, who was weaned on his dad's technology and presumably had the most significant learning environment access to musical technology that ANY kid ever has had, anywhere, would be incapable of devising a system of creating sounds that defied a purists understanding. ( i know that last sentence was poorly constructed; maybe I should use MS Word grammar-checker, eh? get it?) I guess, what I'm getting at is that for all the accusations about miming, do you REALLY know how all the sounds are generated? I mean really? And let's face it- miming is a bad thing. It is fake, it is false, one may even consider it 'fraud', since you are ostensibly coming to see a 'performance'. But what do you really know about the technology being used, and how sure are you that it is not being used in a way that you are not familiar with? The reason that I'm saying all this is that I see a lot of accusations, but never an acknowledgement that Edgar could possibly know more about how to do this than the accusers. I mean, come on: most of you have day jobs, right? You don't get up every day and go to an office for the last 30 years that consists of cutting edge music technology - presumably the best that money could buy- do you? Thanks for listening, Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26992 Re: miming and such (warning: long) Marcel Engels Tue 5/15/2001 4 KB 26993 Re: miming and such (warning: long) Matthew Stringer Tue 5/15/2001 4 KB 27001 Re: miming and such (warning: long) glynn_naughton@h... Wed 5/16/2001 5 KB 27119 Re: miming and such (warning: long) lawlermusic Mon 5/21/2001 4 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 4:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Shepherds Bush > From: colin_anderson@e... [mailto:colin_anderson@e...] > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:41 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Shepherds Bush > > I guess it's easy for us to have a go at TD these days when it comes > to them playing 'live' (and the concerning thing is they set > themselves right up for the negative comments and don't seem to worry > about it) but how much of the FFS and FFH shows were really live? I'm > not saying that they weren't, or that the current performances are > acceptable, but are we looking back on past shows with the old rose- > tinted specs on and thinking that they were more live than they > actually were? Well listen to the tapes... Yes they were live. At least up until Poland or so. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 4:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] miming and such (warning: long) > From: jshoults@f... [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Is there is a type > of synthesizer (read: computer) that is capable of not only creating > the sound, but arranging it and emitting it in a certain way, are you > suggesting that the artist should not use it to its fullest > capability? There isn't...and if there was, then it isn't playing. > What I mean is how much do you really know about > how TD makes the sounds happen onstage? There is no secret things they use. > Virtual Reality > goggles and gloves that allowed you to control sequences all over > your field of vision. You could manually move sequences by drag and > drop, and you could see the entire timeline of the music, and move > sequences around, make them fade in and out, stretch them, shape them > for envelope effects, blend them, etc, doing it all visually and > manually - like object oriented programming, in a way. Given > that TD is steeped in the technology that could make this *kind* > of thing possible, how near do you think TD can get to that? This is exactly what Chris did in the 70s with the analog sequencers...fade in/out, blend in/out, stretching, skipping/muting, reversing sequences etc etc...things you don't hear now because it is all fixed. They can't decide if a passage is going great that they want to extend it a little bit... > Purists, stuck in their 'you are only allowed a simple, one- > instrument, 10-note sequence per person at any given time to > still be considered a true electronic > musician' mode, would shun the idea of object-zing chunks of musical > code for assembly in real-time for a performance. Hmmm I won't comment on that I think. > I guess, what I'm getting at is that for all the accusations about > miming, do you REALLY know how all the sounds are generated? Yes. > I mean > really? Yes, really. > But what do you really know about the technology > being used, and how sure are you that it is not being used in a way > that you are not familiar with? Again...there are no secrets about their gear. There's no alien technology here. :-) > You don't get up every day and go > to an office for the last 30 years that consists of cutting edge > music technology - presumably the best that money could buy- do you? Cutting edge? They mostly use Nemesys Gigasampler as they said in an interview. Technology is not the answer I believe...technology doesn't make music. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 4:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] miming and such (warning: long) >I guess, what I'm getting at is that for all the accusations about >miming, do you REALLY know how all the sounds are generated? I mean >really? Yes. >And let's face it- miming is a bad thing. It is fake, it is >false, one may even consider it 'fraud', since you are ostensibly coming to see >a 'performance'. But what do you really know about the technology >being used, and how sure are you that it is not being used in a way >that you are not familiar with? It's not a fraud, they can play and create all their music in the studio, the problem is that there is little else for them to do live as a result, Band like the Orb use live mixing where all their music is pre done at the studio and they live mix all the loops and samples etc on stage, which works quite well. >The reason that I'm saying all this is that I see a lot of >accusations, but never an acknowledgement that Edgar could possibly >know more about how to do this than the accusers. I mean, come on: >most of you have day jobs, right? You don't get up every day and go >to an office for the last 30 years that consists of cutting edge music technology - >presumably the best that money could buy- do you? E&J know more about electronic music than I do (DWT's is proof of that!), but there is little performance left in a live TD show, which is upsetting for some. The music that night was great, I didn't expect anything else so I wasn't disappointed. I for one is still a TD fan :) Matt ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Richard F Date: Tue May 15, 2001 8:13 pm Subject: Anyone ever heard of 'Paul Brookes' Hi all Sorry to break the thread on the concert (the pleurisy is clearing up slowly) but as I've had so much time on my hand the last week and a half I decided to list ALL of my LP's, singles, tour programs etc. so I can sell them. Whilst going through the albums I came across one that brought back very good memories. It is 'old' electronic music, very musical and tuneful as memory serves correct. The details are: Paul Brookes Steps From Beyond State Records: ETAT 21 1978 The cover is very Sci-fi with steps going up into the sky, and a planet with rings and a space ship in-between them. Does anyone know of this guy, and if he is still around. I would love this album on CD, or anything else by him. Fingers crossed -- Richard F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: jowers Date: Tue May 15, 2001 11:19 pm Subject: A Question About The Bush So with all the tight security happening during the show, did anybody manage not to get caught taping??? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27002 Re: A Question About The Bush Brian Stewart Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Wed May 16, 2001 12:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush I've seen enough videotapes with closeups of keyboards playing on fingers, and some of the artists here on this list are familiar enough with TD's old equipment to know what was played live. Plus you can hear screwed up notes on various equipment. PLUS, the simple fact of the equipment that they brought with them makes a point on its own. And up until 1980, TD concerts always had at least half-improvised pieces, which were never played the same way twice. Even in 1986, if you listen to Albuquerque 86 or Paris 86, they played a TON of improvised bits. -Morgan At 09:40 AM 5/15/2001 +0000, you wrote: >I guess it's easy for us to have a go at TD these days when it comes >to them playing 'live' (and the concerning thing is they set >themselves right up for the negative comments and don't seem to worry >about it) but how much of the FFS and FFH shows were really live? I'm >not saying that they weren't, or that the current performances are >acceptable, but are we looking back on past shows with the old rose- >tinted specs on and thinking that they were more live than they >actually were? > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de >Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Vic Rek Date: Wed May 16, 2001 4:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Never Say Never Again + Oke 2001 + Bush III Hi Jim Moore and John Christian! Welcome (back) to the list! It looks like you joined at a good time when things have picked up a bit since the Bush III show happened last Saturday. I wish I could have been there! Today I've really enjoyed savoring all the posts of Bush III and the 'live playing' discussions, especially John's and Marcel's comments, since I DO know that they know how to play EM, and live too as well :-) You can verify this by picking up the Okefenokee Dreams 2001 CD when it is released sometime later this year. And a note to the Oke 2001 attendees, the promo CDs should be completed and in the mail within a week. I also read in one post that Marion was there? Great! I'd like to hear her Bush III story as well. And speaking of stories, I still need to post my experience at Oke-2001. I hope that we can double the attendance next year to around 32 - so start planning for next spring (more info in the upcoming weeks). So, a big thank you to all of you that have posted your comments about your Bush III experience. I think I would have enjoyed it and I now feel that I was somewhat 'there'. Also, did I miss any posts describing what happened to the confiscated cameras/recorders? Were they returned after the show? Vic Jim Moore wrote: > Well Folks: > > After swearing that I'd never return to the mailing list, here I am eating a > big plate of crow (southern-fried with gravy, that is...). After meeting up > with so many great folk at the Okee gathering, I decided to bite my tongue > and return to stay in touch with the group (and maybe get some Tangerine > Dream news, too )! > > It's good to see you all again! > > - jim > From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Wed May 16, 2001 6:10 am Subject: DM 3 + SBE Hi all, picture`s from the new releases Dream Mixes III please follow the link: http://www.opticaldream.de/dream/DM3.htm Sorry to all TD Fan`s that I am was not on the Pub to the pre-Show Party, but my girlfriend was the first in London and she want to go to all sightseeings of London. I hope that is okay, then I talk with Paul Fellows, Duncan Mckee, Rainer Rutka and I saw Conrad Gibbons on Oxford Street. Cheer`s heiko www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 6:56 am Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush Mini Report On pictures like this it seems that Edgar Froese is closely related to a certain Dieter Bohlen... (germans here will know what I'm pointing at). armin > > > >Thanks for the nice and quick report. You got me interested in that > drummer. > >Did she look like any of these folks at this link :-) > >http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/dm3.jpg ??? > > > >Vic From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed May 16, 2001 8:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherds Bush Mini Report > On pictures like this it seems that Edgar Froese is closely > related to a certain Dieter Bohlen... (germans here will know > what I'm pointing at). Armin just discovered the horrible truth...Edgar is in fact the main man behind TD _and_ Modern Talking! :-0 Heiko From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed May 16, 2001 8:36 am Subject: Re: miming and such (warning: long) --- In tadream@y..., jshoults@f... wrote: > capability? What I mean is how much do you really know about > how TD makes the sounds happen onstage? You assume that because you > don't see their hands make every note happen that is is 'less' than > if they manually produced every single note? Would it make you > happier if they had never used sequencers at all? How about if they > played every friggin single note of every sequence? How about if > they hired even more session musicians to play lots of notes for > them? How sure are you that they haven't gotten there synthetically? Sometimes people complain when TD use any sequencing at all, which I think is absurd. When you think back to what first got you interested in EM, I bet that the majority of people would say - the sequences. There's something spine-tingling about a really good sequence chugging away. The difference for me is that in the old days the harsh right-angles of the sequences were softened by the smooth, warm curves of real playing above them. It was that contrast that gave this music its appeal. > I guess, what I'm getting at is that for all the accusations about > miming, do you REALLY know how all the sounds are generated? I mean > really? And let's face it- miming is a bad thing. It is fake, it is > false, one may even consider it 'fraud', since you are ostensibly coming to see > a 'performance'. But what do you really know about the technology > being used, and how sure are you that it is not being used in a way > that you are not familiar with? > > The reason that I'm saying all this is that I see a lot of > accusations, but never an acknowledgement that Edgar could possibly > know more about how to do this than the accusers. I mean, come on: > most of you have day jobs, right? You don't get up every day and go > to an office for the last 30 years that consists of cutting edge music technology - > presumably the best that money could buy- do you? I take your point, but I think that you're making the mistake that Edgar makes in thinking that TD's music, and how TD produces that music, is far more complex than it actually is. (Remember about a year ago when he got up on his high horse and we had a good giggle about it?) I don't know much or anything about the gear that they use, but I do know something about music. When I go to a TD show, providing I can get a good view of Edgar and Jerome's hands, I think I can use my common sense to make a judgement as to how much their actions are actually influencing what is coming out of the speakers. In purely *musical* terms, that influence is clearly zero or almost zero - i.e. they are not 'playing' in the traditional sense. In technological terms, it could be that they are manipulating the gear in ways that I just don't understand. But I don't think so. Not wanting to rub it in, but you haven't seen Jerome on stage. His hands rest limply on the keyboard, often not even pressing the keys. Maybe once every fifteen minutes he presses a button on the computer console. Unless he is using some kind of system whereby he changes parameters using brain-waves or eye-movements I don't see how he could possibly be influencing the music. On the technological side, TD's gear is no longer beyond the budget and comprehension of ordinary musicians. From my understanding, Marcel et al are using similar stuff, although I'm sure not as much of it, and are perfectly able to see how TD's setup fits together. The days when Chris Franke, backed by his huge boxes of twinkling lights, was like a being from another planet manipulating unknowable futuristic technology, are over. > Joe Glynn From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 8:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A Question About The Bush Hi Security was less strict in the standing area, there were several people sporting microphones down there. I was in sight of a number of bouncers, none of whom objected to my camera. Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 10:33 am Subject: Test Stream. Hi if any of you are bored at the moment and have Windows Media Player 7 installed, I'm testing a Streaming server at the mo. If you go to mms://windowsstream.core.firstnet.net.uk/livestream you should hear I-Box disk 3 playing. Ta. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Tom Richmond [mailto:trichmond@b...] Sent: 08 May 2001 17:09 To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'; 'tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com' Subject: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales tree Hello everyone: Glad to see some reviews of DT showing up on the list. Sorry to hear there are still people waiting for copies... Anyone who still doesn't have their copy or didn't sign up but would like one, feel free to contact me directly to make arrangements to get one. Also feel free to contact anyone you know who has one and ask if they can copy it for you. Apparently some branches of the tree have been less than stellar in fulfilling their responsibilities. This has been noted for future reference. This is the last time I'm posting to the list regarding the subject, so I'd like to make a few comments: A tree is supposed to be a very efficient way to distribute these kind of things, presuming that all who volunteer to do copies for others do so in a timely manner. Some branches were completed in as little as a couple weeks. My thanks to those who handled things efficiently. All participants (leaves and branches) have the responsibility to communicate with those they are connected to in the tree. In those places where the tree was delayed or broke down entirely, this communication isn't/wasn't taking place. I know people have lives outside of these mailing lists - at least I hope they do. ;-) So, in the future, if you don't have the time to be a branch, please don't volunteer to be one. I had plenty of branch volunteers that ended up as leaves just because I didn't need them all. I didn't have any reason to prefer one person to another, except for location. Now I have a bit more info as to who can be relied upon for next time. My apologies to those still waiting. Please contact me directly if you're still in need of a copy, or if you're new to the list and are interested in getting one. Thanks for listening. All further discussion of the DT distribution will be off-list. I don't want to waste any more bandwidth on it. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27004 Re: Test Stream. Richard F Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27006 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27007 Re: Test Stream. Richard F Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27009 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27008 Re: Test Stream. Duncan McKee Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27041 Re: Test Stream. Feldon Feldon Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27050 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB From: Richard F Date: Wed May 16, 2001 10:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Test Stream. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In message , Matthew Stringer writes >Hi if any of you are bored at the moment and have Windows Media Player 7 >installed, I'm testing a Streaming server at the mo. >If you go to mms://windowsstream.core.firstnet.net.uk/livestream you should >hear I-Box disk 3 playing. Is this address correct. All I get is basically 'unable to find server' message. - -- Richard F -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOwJcVzBWmWbUzpzAEQIkBwCg9B9bU7Fk1Ux0DL+AZTamKZk8/OQAoIa1 L2uedrv/PekydnXWJkPKNldd =E9cJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27006 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27007 Re: Test Stream. Richard F Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27009 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27008 Re: Test Stream. Duncan McKee Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27041 Re: Test Stream. Feldon Feldon Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27050 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed May 16, 2001 10:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Test Stream. Matthew Stringer wrote: > > Hi if any of you are bored at the moment and have Windows Media Player 7 > installed, I'm testing a Streaming server at the mo. > If you go to mms://windowsstream.core.firstnet.net.uk/livestream you should > hear I-Box disk 3 playing. Yes, I can hear it. A few interruptions now and then, but probably it's because of net congestion or because I'm using Windows Media Player 6.4. Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27023 Re: Test Stream. Jim Moore Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27035 Re: Test Stream. Phil White Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27055 Re: Test Stream. john@p... Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27062 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB 27049 Re: Test Stream. Phil White Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27067 Re: Test Stream. Phil White Fri 5/18/2001 3 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 11:02 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Test Stream. You could try mms://212.103.224.48/livestream I'm not sure if DNS has propagated yet. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Richard F [mailto:theroom@b...] Sent: 16 May 2001 11:54 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Cc: tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Test Stream. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In message , Matthew Stringer writes >Hi if any of you are bored at the moment and have Windows Media Player 7 >installed, I'm testing a Streaming server at the mo. >If you go to mms://windowsstream.core.firstnet.net.uk/livestream you should >hear I-Box disk 3 playing. Is this address correct. All I get is basically 'unable to find server' message. - -- Richard F -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOwJcVzBWmWbUzpzAEQIkBwCg9B9bU7Fk1Ux0DL+AZTamKZk8/OQAoIa1 L2uedrv/PekydnXWJkPKNldd =E9cJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27007 Re: Test Stream. Richard F Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27009 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27008 Re: Test Stream. Duncan McKee Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27041 Re: Test Stream. Feldon Feldon Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27050 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB From: Richard F Date: Wed May 16, 2001 11:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Test Stream. In message , Matthew Stringer writes >You could try mms://212.103.224.48/livestream I'm not sure if DNS has >propagated yet. > >Matt Still no joy. Thanks anyway. By the way, why is it mms?. Should there be www in front of it? -- Richard F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27009 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 11:28 am Subject: Re: Test Stream. hi works fine for me but a few break ups. but i only have a 56k modem, maybe a cable modem will work better duncan --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Stringer' wrote: > You could try mms://212.103.224.48/livestream I'm not sure if DNS has > propagated yet. > > Matt > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard F [mailto:theroom@b...] > Sent: 16 May 2001 11:54 > To: tadream@y... > Cc: tangerinedream@y... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Test Stream. > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > In message , Matthew > Stringer writes > >Hi if any of you are bored at the moment and have Windows Media Player 7 > >installed, I'm testing a Streaming server at the mo. > >If you go to mms://windowsstream.core.firstnet.net.uk/livestream you should > >hear I-Box disk 3 playing. > > > Is this address correct. All I get is basically 'unable to find server' > message. > - -- > Richard F > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 > > iQA/AwUBOwJcVzBWmWbUzpzAEQIkBwCg9B9bU7Fk1Ux0DL+AZTamKZk8/OQAoIa1 > L2uedrv/PekydnXWJkPKNldd > =E9cJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27041 Re: Test Stream. Feldon Feldon Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27050 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 11:45 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Test Stream. mms is Microsoft Multimedia Stream and you need Microsoft Media Player to use it, if you type this into a browser it should open Media Player, if not you can open a URL from MP and connect from there. Cheers Matt -----Original Message----- From: Richard F [mailto:theroom@b...] Sent: 16 May 2001 12:15 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Test Stream. In message , Matthew Stringer writes >You could try mms://212.103.224.48/livestream I'm not sure if DNS has >propagated yet. > >Matt Still no joy. Thanks anyway. By the way, why is it mms?. Should there be www in front of it? -- Richard F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed May 16, 2001 12:35 pm Subject: Fwd: Re: Test Stream > Great, that worked, Thanks. It breaks up a bit. I'm using 64K ISDN. What > rate are you transmitting? > -- > Richard F From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 11:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Boring Concert News > I was fortunate to hear them in 1988 when they came to Dallas, > Texas USA and > played at the Starplex for the Optical Race Tour. This was the > only chance > I had to see them, and they have not (from my knowledge) returned to the > lone star state since then. That concert was pretty good, and at least > Edgar got up on stage and played guitar live, and it 'appeared' that Paul > Haslinger played the piano live. Hey! I was at this show! I wonder if Andy Summers got heckled at any of the other concerts on the tour... - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27019 Re: Boring Concert News goozer@a... Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27020 Re: Boring Concert News PENFOLD Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Tue May 15, 2001 10:55 pm Subject: Re: Anyone ever heard of 'Paul Brookes' I have 'Steps From Beyond' on LP and there's some good stuff on it. I met Paul Brookes some years ago when he was doing some demo work for Korg UK. The LP was from the distant past even then, so he wasn't very enthusiastic about it :-) But I believe he was busy as a session musician. Don't know if he's active now, and no chance of the album being on CD I don't think. There are quite a few such one-off classic LP's of synth music. I always liked 'The Last Survivors' by Philip J. Wells, who I think went off into a much more New Age oriented style. More on subject for the group, there's an alternative take on TD/'Tyranny of Beauty' remixes on the 'A Future Age of Music' compilation. This re-edits 'Catwalk' into a 'Short Walk' version, making it a bit more concise without dancifying it. No idea who was responsible for this excellent edit though ;-) http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html Richard F wrote: > Hi all > > Sorry to break the thread on the concert (the pleurisy is clearing up > slowly) but as I've had so much time on my hand the last week and a half > I decided to list ALL of my LP's, singles, tour programs etc. so I can > sell them. > > Whilst going through the albums I came across one that brought back very > good memories. It is 'old' electronic music, very musical and tuneful as > memory serves correct. The details are: > > Paul Brookes > Steps From Beyond > > State Records: ETAT 21 > 1978 > > The cover is very Sci-fi with steps going up into the sky, and a planet > with rings and a space ship in-between them. > > Does anyone know of this guy, and if he is still around. I would love > this album on CD, or anything else by him. > > Fingers crossed > > -- > Richard F > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27081 Re: Anyone ever heard of 'Paul Brookes' Thenite0wl@a... Fri 5/18/2001 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue May 15, 2001 5:47 pm Subject: Milli Vanilli syndrome On Tue, 15 May 2001 14:52:54 -0000 jshoults@f... writes: >OK, there's a lot of people who believe that TD 'mimes' >playing- that they don't really 'play' during a concert, >but rely on (presumably) DAT or other datasource. Of >course, this is viewed as an egregious art crime, just >short of plagiarism, 'not really playing', and challenges >their status as artists or performers or whatever. Yep. Milli Vanilli syndrome. > I'm wondering just where one would draw the line on this >definition when you consider that there are two extremes: > 1) manually playing an analog instrument > 2) simply hitting the 'play' button on a boombox onstage >(didn't Kraftwerk do that once?) Nice to see that Kraftwerk predated Milli Vanilli. ;) -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed May 16, 2001 1:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Boring Concert News Hey! I was at this show! I wonder if Andy Summers got heckled at any of the other concerts on the tour... *Now that you mention it I think he did in Portland Oregon of the same tour... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed May 16, 2001 2:13 pm Subject: What happened to www.tadream.net? Today when I try to visit http://www.tadream.net all I get is a BigRed.com page. Has this anything to do with Chinese hackers? ;-) Antonio From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 2:57 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] What happened to www.tadream.net? No response here either, but apparently there is a major overhaul in progress at the moment, perhaps it's in the process of being updated... Paul ---------- >De : Antonio Nunes >Ŕ : tadream >Objet : [tadream] What happened to www.tadream.net? >Date : Mer 16 mai 2001 16:13 > > Today when I try to visit http://www.tadream.net all I get is a > BigRed.com page. Has this anything to do with Chinese hackers? ;-) > > Antonio > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27022 Re: Re : [tadream] What happened to www.tadream.n Joe Shoults Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB From: John McIntyre Date: Wed May 16, 2001 3:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Boring Concert News Jim Moore wrote: > Hey! I was at this show! I wonder if Andy Summers got heckled at any > of the other concerts on the tour... At Pine Knob (outdoor theater near Detroit) he got such a good response that he joked about moving to the area. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 5:00 pm Subject: RE: miming and such Hey Dreamers, I think that the band just got really smart, one way to kill the bootlegs is to play the exact same thing each time. Why would I want to hear all the different concerts then? I could just buy the CD. ;) I like artists that are moody and inspired in their creations. I believe the initial creations of new TD have inspiration and mood behind them. Some in the audience seemed to miss their ability to be part of the creation process, to see the moment inspire the performance, Iris sounds like she had fun. Seeing the musician that showed up at the swamp gathering was educational for me. They spent time crafting their timbres, preparing the sequences, deciding which parameters they would like to tweak during the performance. Then the performance itself, creating space for others to play, the improvisation. The musicians couldn't play the same thing again, well maybe some of the solos could be closly reproduced, but not the collaboration and mix. The improvising style is very intimate in a live setting, its also risky, moments of terror, confusion and extreme beauty. Kind of like life. I have been listening to a lot of old TD fan concerts tapes, pure magic to me. It is so wonderful listening to how some of my favorite TD pieces evolved into the tracks released on CD. For some reason the differences are what make fan tapes so special to me. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: goozer@a... Date: Wed May 16, 2001 5:04 pm Subject: Re: Boring Concert News --- In tadream@y..., 'Jim Moore' wrote: > > I was fortunate to hear them in 1988 when they came to Dallas, > > Texas USA and > > played at the Starplex for the Optical Race Tour. This was the > > only chance > > I had to see them, and they have not (from my knowledge) returned to the > > lone star state since then. That concert was pretty good, and at least > > Edgar got up on stage and played guitar live, and it 'appeared' that Paul > > Haslinger played the piano live. > > Hey! I was at this show! I wonder if Andy Summers got heckled at any > of the other concerts on the tour... > > - jim Me too! 3rd row, center, Section 102 (15 ft. from stage.) I recall that Andy was getting a lot of strange looks from the crowd-it was a free concert and while perhaps half of them knew who TD was, I would bet that most of them had *never* heard Andy's solo stuff. I distinctly remember one of his comments from the stage, directed at one of the soundboard guys apparantly (he was having some monitor problems): '(forgot his name)...f*@$ off!!' I wonder if they'll do the Red Jacket here on the upcoming club tour....:) goozer From: PENFOLD Date: Wed May 16, 2001 5:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Boring Concert News At 01.05.15 19:25, Jim Moore wrote: >Hey! I was at this show! I wonder if Andy Summers got heckled at any >of the other concerts on the tour... Andy Summers also got heckled at the Wiltern Theatre in Los Angeles. It's what he deserved. He spent a pointless 45 minutes of what appeared to be aimless grinding of his axe and he had *no* stage personality! Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Boring Concert News From: > > > I was fortunate to hear them in 1988 when they came to Dallas, > > > Texas USA and > > > played at the Starplex for the Optical Race Tour. This was the > I wonder if they'll do the Red Jacket here on the upcoming club tour....:) I was a few rows behind you, I recall... I'm no longer living in the big 'D', I'm in Atlanta, now. If they visit us, I'm guessing Variety Playhouse or Earthlink/Centerstage... Fox would be cool, though... - jim From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed May 16, 2001 5:00 pm Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] What happened to www.tadream.net? sorry for the glitch... something apparently with internic... until it is resolved, you can go here: http://yourplacepc.com/tadream/tadream.net/ I don't get a bigred.com page. don't know what that's about... Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Fellows [mailto:pfellows@c...] > No response here either, but apparently there is a major overhaul in > progress at the moment, perhaps it's in the process of being > updated... > > Paul > > ---------- > >De : Antonio Nunes > > > Today when I try to visit http://www.tadream.net all I get is a > > BigRed.com page. Has this anything to do with Chinese hackers? ;-) > > From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 6:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Test Stream. Cool beans, Matt! Helps a long day at work! - jim > You could try mms://212.103.224.48/livestream I'm not sure if DNS has > propagated yet. > > Matt From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] S.B. concert >PS. Yep, I'm gonna see TD 1st September in Warsaw :) Mee too. :) Hope they play a long concert in Warszawa (read Varshava - my home city) Who else is coming? And chances are big for me to see Keller & Schoenwaelder (anyone knows?) on the Ambient 2001 10-11.08 show in Gorlice, southern Poland Michal Moroz aka Stacja Mir From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 7:32 pm Subject: Poll/Question Hello all, I have a question to ask that I know has been discussed before, but it has been a while, so I will ask again. I know that the people on this list, at sometime, are asked about the music they are listening to. I listen to my e-music at work and have people constantly asking me about the sounds emanating from my computer speakers. I know that some people on this list have tapes they have made to 'Introduce' people to the music of TD. My question is this: If taking a cross section, a sampling of TD's music over all the years, what songs are people using as an introduction to TD? When you so generously give away these tapes to people unfamiliar with TD, what, in your opinion, is the perfect tracks to use? Keep in mind the desire to use songs throughout there recorded history. I thank you for your opinions. Neal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27036 Re: Poll/Question James E. Jacoby Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27045 Re: Poll/Question Armin Theissen Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27037 Re: Poll/Question E Neal Frost Thu 5/17/2001 5 KB 27042 Re: Poll/Question Feldon Feldon Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB 27043 Re: Poll/Question Armin Theissen Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB 27047 Re: Poll/Question Armin Theissen Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27048 Iris Kulterer - more infos form the percussion gi Rainer Rutka Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27051 Re: Poll/Question j.gordon Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 7:42 pm Subject: Odp: [tadream] S.B. concert Hi, Michal, Warszawa this Warszawa and not - Varshava(???) Writes and reads yes so Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium http://sulas.fm.interia.pl > > > Mee too. :) Hope they play a long concert in Warszawa (read Varshava - my > home city) > Who else is coming? > > And chances are big for me to see Keller & Schoenwaelder (anyone knows?) on > the Ambient 2001 10-11.08 show in Gorlice, southern Poland > > Michal Moroz aka Stacja Mir ----------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A----------------- Pierwsza koncertowa plyta Bon Jovi! 'One wild night' Nieposkromiona energia, koncertowe doznania. Zajrzyj http://rozrywka.interia.pl/jovi/ From: ampmusic Date: Wed May 16, 2001 8:43 pm Subject: Re: [ElectronicMusic] E-man rants... Rants apart - the funny thing about TD is that they gave up improvising in the early 1980's because it's very demanding to create something new every night (the same thing happened to Can). But TD's later more 'composed' music was never as ground-breaking, so you would think after a few years - when The Orb, Future Sound of London, and other electro-ambient bands became popular - that they would have jumped at the chance to fall back on more improvised techniques. This would have been the most successful response to the fall in popularity of pure synth music and the rise in popularity of ambient dance styles. Imagine the ecstacy-fuelled popularity of long, slowly developing pieces like 'Ricochet Pt. 2' in the late 1980's and 1990's (though they would have had to start concerts at around 11pm and play until 4am). The band's actual response, to make the music more and more composed, and to start dabbling in dubious so-called 'dance' mixes and guitar-led prog rock, was the worst possible. To do a successful dance mix you need a real background in clubs or as a DJ, and Jerome's thrashing around on Octopads is about as far removed from this as possible (sorry, but it's true. Liking Massive Attack is not in itself enough). As regards instrumentation, the programmable MIDI equipment of the 1980's was not very supportive of improvised styles (a Yamaha QX1 sequencer is great for composing, but you can't vary it much once you've started it playing back). But more recently, a load of improvisation-oriented gear has come out, and TD have it all - the Quasimidi Cyber 6 as a master keyboard, various dance-oriented drum machines, and so on. The guys at Quasimidi, Access and other design companies were terrifically influenced by 1970's-TD-style improvisational techniques, so God knows why the band never took the opportunity of using the equipment in this manner. Their obvious response, of course, would be that no-one wants to go back to the past. But what is forward-looking about TD music of the last 10 years? 'Seven Letters from Tibet' sounds like someone has gone into a music store, plugged together any three MIDI modules, and played big chords while turning their volumes up and down (or so I read somewhere...) Rant over. By the way, 'twaddle' is a perfectly good English word, to be found somewhere in the Concise Oxford Dictionary between 'turd' and 'twat' :-) http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emixcds.html upnsm0ke wrote: > > From: > > > > E-man rants as follows .... > > Trust me, Chris, what I write didn't even qualify as a rant! It was much too > short, to begin with. Either way, so much, a.k.a. 'enough' has been said > about Tangerine Dream over the years... > > > >It's not just about purism. Those pieces were not composed with > > >exotic percussion in mind. They're electronic pieces, and should be > > >left that way. If they wanted to play 'Going West' and bring in the > > >bongos, then it could work! > > > > What a load of twaddle, E-man? You sound like one of the retro heads > > now! It's called 'reworking'. > > 'Twaddle'? Haha, did you make that word up, yourself? From: 'David Foster' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 7:52 pm Subject: Bush Discussion Some people are asking did I get my recorder back. Yes. Security can only hold them during the show and I managed to keep the tape of what I got. I suspect that both the lightshow and the sound system on this occasion were the Bush's house systems and not outstanding. One of the best systems I saw TD with was around 80 / 81 when they played Mojave Plan - the stereo panned echo stuff. Across the front of the stage ran about 4 or 6 small stacks of wide horns stacked like graded size Russian Dolls on top of each other. Just like a stepped pyramid. The overall height was quite small so there was still a good view. They were deep, front to back, from cone to opening. The quality was great with good power. The lows and highs crystal clear. TD please use hire them again.... OR LET ME HAVE THEM......they can go to a good home were they will be well fed. Concert Loud? No. Sure it took the ears about an hour to adjust afterwards. Many other TD gigs have been louder. Problem is when the sound is distorted. Easy way to get round that is cotton wool in the ears. It seems to make the sound of the concert clearer. I don't know the science why. I expected that a lot of the solo work / melody to be on computer and wasn't disappointed that they did that. We've seen them doing it for years. Who doesn't? But think about it. This was for Dream Mixing. What does a mixer do? Mixes. Does Fat Boy Slim play every part of Let me Praise You live? ....no. He mixes. May be the whole idea on this occasion was the same. It has beauty because it is mixed. I was going to say how brilliant I thought KS was as a 'live keyboard player'. And then today, for the first time a friend gave me Are you sequenced vol 1 and to me that was the whole Derby 27 4 96 concert. Did he do much live? At the end of the day its like art. Some people reckon art is the end product. Others the process that goes into it. Others that it is both. Does it matter? One thing I do like is that Edgar let's it speak for itself. You don't get Radio 3 / Classic FM interpretations and dialogues of what you are next going to hear. No explanations of the next track is called............... You just get the music. Personally I went because I wanted to hear TD again in concert, in front of me, playing something different instead of on the CD player were I have remembered what the next bit is going to be. If I didn't like it I just wouldn't go. I will be going to the next UK show, assuming there is one. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27044 Re: Bush Discussion Armin Theissen Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27054 Re: Bush Discussion john@p... Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB 27060 Re: Bush Discussion glynn_naughton@h... Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27064 Re: Bush Discussion odean@m... Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB From: Vincent Goudreault Date: Wed May 16, 2001 8:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 891 tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Message: 20 > Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:56:02 -0700 > From: PENFOLD > Subject: RE: Boring Concert News > > At 01.05.15 19:25, Jim Moore wrote: > >Hey! I was at this show! I wonder if Andy Summers got heckled at any > >of the other concerts on the tour... > > Andy Summers also got heckled at the Wiltern Theatre in Los > Angeles. It's what he deserved. He spent a pointless 45 minutes of what > appeared to be aimless grinding of his axe and he had *no* stage personality! > > Pete Isaacson > mailto:penfold@a... > aka PENFOLD > aka DJ DreamHead > Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have > the money.....damn!!!!! > In Montreal, he essentially got ignored. Since the concert was outside, and that there was all those shouts coming from the rides behind (the venue was La Ronde, Montreal's amusement park), most of is act was drowned anyway. N.P.: Ricochet -- C.B.V. Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 8:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] S.B. concert >Hi, >Michal, Warszawa this Warszawa and not - Varshava(???) >Writes and reads yes so > I meant of course how the english speaking guys and girls here should say the name in english :) Greets/Pozdrawiam Michal Stacja Mir From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed May 16, 2001 7:58 pm Subject: Twaddle On Wed, 16 May 2001 20:43:07 +0000 ampmusic writes: >Rant over. By the way, 'twaddle' is a perfectly good English word, >to be found somewhere in the Concise Oxford Dictionary between >'turd' and 'twat' :-) Quite. ;) -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - Even the worst 'celtic twaddle' CD sells at least five times the amount of the best selling space music CD. --posted to by E. Alan Meece, aka Eric Mystic , May 19, 1999. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed May 16, 2001 8:36 pm Subject: Marcel marso-so > I expected that a lot of the solo work / melody to be on computer and wasn't > disappointed that they did that. We've seen them doing it for years. Who > doesn't? **Dweller at the Threshold, Airsculpture, Free System Projekt, Radio Massacre International, Ramp, Redshift...... When these bands play live they are REALLY playing live. I don't think it's a bad thing to have SOME backup, but you should be doing SOMETHING live or what is the point? just play the CD at home...I saw a New Order concert once (Horrible) and the keyboard player would start a sequence in her Fairlight keyboard and then sit down and read a newspaper which, while I found disturbing at the time in retrospect seems more honest than pretending to play... I don't see sequencing or even backup tapes as the issue after all one can have the backing tapes be without a lead, or have enough holes that parts can be played live... I see pretending to be playing something you're not as the issue.... Paul Ellis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27046 Re: Marcel marso-so Synthhtnys@a... Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: RE: amazing new synth system Glynn said: >Unless he is using some kind of system whereby he changes >parameters using brain-waves or eye-movements I don't see how he >could possibly be influencing the music. Steve laughed and laughed, then thought hmmmm. How could you tell anymore, maybe the big hairdo was hiding the connections? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: neil.perryman@v... Date: Wed May 16, 2001 9:30 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream versus Orbital - Live? Hi, long-time lurker and TD fan who went to SBE 3 and feels the urge to throw in his two pence worth. I just had the pleasure of seeing two of my all-time favourite bands live in the space of a week: the godfathers of dance music, Tangerine Dream, at Shepherds Bush on Saturday and Orbital, the fathers of modern dance music in Newcastle last night. The similarities and comparissions I made between the concerts have led me to some rather sad conclusions. First the similarities: both bands played to an audience of approx 2000 people. Both bands used sequencers and computers to create their music. Both bands charged just under 20 quid. Both bands played a Greatest Hits fan-favourite set-list with remixes of old tracks. Listen to 'Dream Mixes 3' and 'The Middle of Nowhere' and tell me there's no justifiable comparison in style of music at times. I even have evidence for this: listening to 'Diamonds and Dust' in the car the other day my wife innocently turned to me and asked which Orbital album I was listening to. Both bands are also duos who just happen to be related to each other. Both bands could potentially mime an entire concert and only those close enough to the stage would really be able to tell. And yet... Here's the difference: Orbital put on a show, Tangerine Dream did not. Orbital provided an original and stunning video backdrop which perfectly suited each song in both tone, humour and style. TD projected some paper-cut-outs onto a blank wall or merely provided lighting effects found in your average school disco (where I was sitting you could even see a couple of empty cardboard boxes stacked up at the back of the stage). Orbital brought with them experimental 3D sound and produced crystal clear breakbeats and basslines that made your ribs vibrate. Tangerine Dream employed a tone deaf ignoramus to mix the muddiest concert I think I have ever heard. Christ, bootlegs from 1975 have sounded clearer. Finally: Orbital played live. Tangerine Dream didn't. The evidence for the second statement has been documented in the threads on this list. I never saw Edgar's hands move an inch during the entire concert. At one point I thought, 'How come they get a towel and I don't? It's roasting in here and I'm moving more than they are!' Another poster on this list explained that this was due to the fact that Edgar Froese isn't really a keyboard player at all, but a guitarist. Well knock me down with a feather - and there's me thinking that someone who has created some of the best synth music over the last 30 years could actually play the damn things. And if he's such a damn good guitarist why didn't he play it then? At least then there would have been 'some' live element from the front man. And if he's too old, get him a chair. And if he's too old even for that, he should retire. Otherwise it's just really, really sad. The bottom line - Tangerine Dream employed an overactive drummer and an expressionless guitarist to play live (hear the cymbal smash then watch her hit it) while Orbital were actively engaged with their music. Orbital played melodies live - you could tell; occasionally they would make mistakes and notes would sometimes be missed or just played wrong. Pitch and reverb was increased as the mood dictated. Sometimes the effect didn't work and everything would fall out of key, but some more work from the brothers and the balance would be achieved again. The music evolved. Sure, it had a predefined pattern regarding sequencers and drum lines, melodies and sampling, but there was human skill and *passion* involved. The Hartnoll brothers were enjoying themselves. Fans at SBE literally wet themselves when Edgar raised a thumb for 14 seconds. The result is that while I walked out of SBE with a contended smile on my face, I walked out of Orbital feeling I'd been a part of something special and unique; an unforgettable experience where the music came alive. Sad but true Neil http://www.tachyon.ic24.net http://www.eclipsecafe.com From: 'Phil White' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 10:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Test Stream. I have recently switched to a cable modem and TDream is playing loud,clear and so far no drop-outs or interuptions in output. Oh how I love this broadband... :-))) Best Phil N.P. (Prior to testing this) Michael Garrison Live. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27055 Re: Test Stream. john@p... Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27062 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 11:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Poll/Question --- Neal Frost wrote: > If taking a cross section, a sampling of TD's music over all the > years, what songs are people using as an introduction to TD? When > you so generously give away these tapes to people unfamiliar with > TD, what, in your opinion, is the perfect tracks to use? Keep in > mind the desire to use songs throughout there recorded history. Neal, I remember years ago when you told me a story about a TD mix tape you had created that contained some of your favorite tracks. You were blasting it through your car speakers and was stopped at a redlight when the person in the car next to yours became intrigued, leaned over, and asked what it was you were playing. Without too much hesitation you popped out the tape, reached out, and handed it to the person in the other car. Well, last summer I saw Roger Waters in concert, which was great; and while I was in the car, waiting (more than an hour) to get out, I was blasting some of my own TD tapes through my open windows. I was about halfway through 'Stratosfear' when someone in the queue next to me called out with curiousity, prompting a shortened explanation of what TD was before their line pulled ahead of mine and they had to move along. It only took a few moments of consideration before I popped the tape out ('Stratosfear' on one side and 'Hyperborea' on the other), got out of my car, and ran up next to their van and handed it over. It just seemed right, like I passed something on. Maybe they listened and loved it, maybe they hated it, I've always wondered. I was inspired by your story to do it, so hopefully someone will be inspired by mine and have the same opportunity... passed on from fan to fan. James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27045 Re: Poll/Question Armin Theissen Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Thu May 17, 2001 2:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Poll/Question This is off topic guys...sorry. Mr. Jacoby. I knew a James Jacoby here locally a few years back, and have often wondered if you and he were the same. You have never spoke as if we knew each other, until now, and I have never asked. I do not recall ever telling that particular story on this list. That is what is prompting this post....... If you and he ARE the same, I am wondering if you still have all the TD, Edgar Froese and Klaus Schulze albums I gave you when I began converting my collection to CD..... Again, sorry for the off topic guys. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'James E. Jacoby' To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Poll/Question > > --- Neal Frost wrote: > > > If taking a cross section, a sampling of TD's music over all the > > years, what songs are people using as an introduction to TD? When > > you so generously give away these tapes to people unfamiliar with > > TD, what, in your opinion, is the perfect tracks to use? Keep in > > mind the desire to use songs throughout there recorded history. > > Neal, I remember years ago when you told me a story about a TD mix > tape you had created that contained some of your favorite tracks. > You were blasting it through your car speakers and was stopped at a > redlight when the person in the car next to yours became intrigued, > leaned over, and asked what it was you were playing. Without too > much hesitation you popped out the tape, reached out, and handed it > to the person in the other car. > > Well, last summer I saw Roger Waters in concert, which was great; and > while I was in the car, waiting (more than an hour) to get out, I was > blasting some of my own TD tapes through my open windows. I was > about halfway through 'Stratosfear' when someone in the queue next to > me called out with curiousity, prompting a shortened explanation of > what TD was before their line pulled ahead of mine and they had to > move along. It only took a few moments of consideration before I > popped the tape out ('Stratosfear' on one side and 'Hyperborea' on > the other), got out of my car, and ran up next to their van and > handed it over. It just seemed right, like I passed something on. > Maybe they listened and loved it, maybe they hated it, I've always > wondered. I was inspired by your story to do it, so hopefully > someone will be inspired by mine and have the same opportunity... > passed on from fan to fan. > > James > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: vic rek Date: Thu May 17, 2001 3:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] S.B. concert I wish I could make the Warsaw/Warszawa concert, but I have decided to make one trip over the pond to see TD in Bernau since I think this show will contain the most unique music. But by far I think the open air show in Warsaw will be a great time - I know that the Poles know how to party and TD always seems to have a good time there. Once when I chatted with Jerome he told me a story about performing in Poland. One thing that I recall is that they have to always bring lots of TD giveaways to the customs agents - they all know who Tangerine Dream is and the way I understood it; is, that it's now almost a tradition. Have a great time Michal! Vic > Mee too. :) Hope they play a long concert in Warszawa (read Varshava - my > home city) > Who else is coming? From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu May 17, 2001 6:03 am Subject: mann/sequencers/e-balls/SBE??? >(for example how many people know that TD were approached by Michael Mann >to do the music for the enormously successful TV series 'Miami Vice' but couldn't do it because they were committed to the rather less successful 'Streethawk' at the time?) Me--I was at the music in the movies/mill valley film festival show (Warfield Theatre November 1986) where Michael Mann himself stated this. Funny we even had members of Spinal Tap hosting the show.... >Would it make you happier if they had never used sequencers at all? Yes, Joe, definitely. It would be a welcome change wouldn't it? Imagine a show with Edgar playing lots of live guitar. Perhaps Klaus Krieger on drums. Now yer talkin' TD from days of yore. Sequencers are for lazy folks anyway. I don't really want to see the German equivalent of a player Yamaha grand piano with all the bells, whistles , switches and lights. I want the real thing. And the only thing I fear more than the loss of good ole TD is the upcoming TD plays Dante thing. I admit I'm curious, but if it ends up being like watching paint dry (which is fine if that's waht you want to do) or seeing the scorpions with an orchestra--argh! >Remember the 'E-ball'? Yes, actually I remember hearing of TD using this, but at the risk of sounding negative (like I care) d'cuckoo used one they built years before TD introduced theirs in concert, perhaps d'cuckoo got the idea from someone else. Nevertheless, the E-ball was hardly innovative. I mean even Laurie Anderson had a suit that triggered drum samples way back when.... Now, I must ask a couple of questions with regards to this year's SBE concert. Did edgar play any live guitar? None? (sheesh) and given that there seems to be all this live percussion, was TD presenting GOA-style techno? or a reasonable facsimile? --teiwaz np DM3 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu May 17, 2001 6:22 am Subject: is it real or is it memorex? >Band like the Orb use live mixing where all their music is pre done at the studio and they live mix all the loops and samples etc on stage, which works quite well.< Not that well this time out, they had plenty of problems with their ADAT on this just-completed north american tour. Fortunately, they could spin vinyl while trying to fix problems and a new ADAT or two between gigs seemed to help. Not sure what the hell happened at coachella--three guys at once frantically trying to fix broken eqpt. with no time left but to give their audience an abbreviated 30 minute gig. But the gig in San Francisco the night before was the bees knees. And fortunately for us in the states--it looks like there'll be two more north american treks by the orb this year--the area one festival and a proper tour sans Moby. And all of this is likely to be completed before TD may make it stateside in October for their second U.S. gig in almost a decade. --twz np Badorb promo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27058 Re: is it real or is it memorex? DoKToR STRaNGe Thu 5/17/2001 4 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Thu May 17, 2001 7:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Test Stream. At the risk of starting a bit of a tiff, please folks, don't run out and download Windows Media Player 7 for this purpose. #1 it's not needed--6.4 should work perfectly. 6.4 works with even the newest formats (2 months old) #2 Windows Media Player 7 is full of bugs and even more aggressive and obnoxious than RealAudio. It's not a streamlined awesome player like 6.4 is. -Morgan Still hoping you guys will go Shoutcast :) :) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27050 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Thu May 17, 2001 7:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Poll/Question I didn't know what to use, until I 'won' the 2 disc Dream Sequence box at the Okefenokee event this year. I've digitized the music to my computer and interspersed some Logos, Poland, and Song of the Whale bits. So far I've got 2 converts in the last 2 weeks. (sorry for the RTF/HTML) Disc 1 1. Risky Business Sdtk 1983 The Dream is Always the Same 2. Phaedra 1974 Phaedra (excerpt) 3. Rubycon 1975 Rubycon (excerpt) 4. Stratosfear 1976 Stratosfear (excerpt) 5. Encore Live 1977 Cherokee Lane (excerpt) 6/7. Fassbinder Memorial pt 1 1983 Themes from 'Logos: Live @ Dominion' CD 8/9. Fassbinder Memorial pt 2 1983 Themes from 'Poland: Live @ Warsaw' CD 10. Exit 1981 Kiew Mission Disc 2 1. Hyperborea 1983 Cinnamon Road 2. White Eagle 1981 White Eagle 3. Force Majeure 1979 Cloudburst Flight (excerpt) 4. Force Majeure 1979 Force Majeure (excerpt) 5. Ricochet 1975 Ricochet pt 2 6. Underwater Sunlight 1985 Song of the Whale pt 1 7. Underwater Sunlight 1985 Song of the Whale pt 2 8. Risky Business Sdtk 1983 Love on a Real Train 9. Risky Business Sdtk 1983 Beach Scene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu May 17, 2001 7:31 am Subject: Re: Poll/Question hi, depends. I introduced an open minded friend of mine with a 4 tape collection of TD. This is documented at http://www.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td/td_stef.html, dated: right after the European Tour 97. He listened to it on a several-nights observing campaign at an observatory in South Africa (he is an astronomer, as I used to be). The collection omits Phaedra since he had this one already. Usually, I pick out something I guess the person I want to introduce to TD may like - just to not turn her/him off immediately. Then I may dare to play them other stuff (somebody saying: no Armin, don't play your beloved 'Zeit'...?). If I had to pick out single representative albums out of the periods, I'd go for Alpha Centauri Rubycon Force Majeure Exit Underwater Sunlight Optical Race Tyranny of Beauty Tournado Of course, knowing that I omit a lot. a. --- In tadream@y..., 'Neal Frost' wrote: > > Hello all, > > I have a question to ask that I know has been discussed before, but it has been a while, so I will ask again. > > I know that the people on this list, at sometime, are asked about the music they are listening to. I listen to my e-music at work and have people constantly asking me about the sounds emanating from my computer speakers. I know that some people on this list have tapes they have made to 'Introduce' people to the music of TD. My question is this: > > If taking a cross section, a sampling of TD's music over all the years, what songs are people using as an introduction to TD? When you so generously give away these tapes to people unfamiliar with TD, what, in your opinion, is the perfect tracks to use? Keep in mind the desire to use songs throughout there recorded history. > > I thank you for your opinions. > > Neal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27047 Re: Poll/Question Armin Theissen Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27048 Iris Kulterer - more infos form the percussion gi Rainer Rutka Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu May 17, 2001 7:36 am Subject: Re: Bush Discussion --- In tadream@y..., 'David Foster' wrote: > I suspect that both the lightshow and the sound system on this > occasion were the Bush's house systems and not outstanding. > One of the best systems I saw TD with was around 80 / 81 when > they played Mojave Plan - the stereo panned echo stuff. I have this in very good memory! If I had a time machine, going back to TD live in the early 80s would be the first thing to do! > I was going to say how brilliant I thought KS was as a 'live > keyboard player'. And then today, for the first time a friend > gave me Are you sequenced vol 1 and to me that was the whole > Derby 27 4 96 concert. Did he do much live? again, early 80s KS was mindblowing, and this guy was soooo energetic in his two-mini-moog-solos... a. From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu May 17, 2001 7:39 am Subject: Re: Poll/Question > > Neal, I remember years ago when you told me a story about a TD mix > tape you had created that contained some of your favorite tracks. > You were blasting it through your car speakers and was stopped at a > redlight when the person in the car next to yours became intrigued, > leaned over, and asked what it was you were playing. Without too > much hesitation you popped out the tape, reached out, and handed it > to the person in the other car. thats brilliant!!!!! a. From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu May 17, 2001 7:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Marcel marso-so Oops... I just realized that header might be taken the wrong way Marcel Engels is in Free System project I wasn't referring to him, but Marcel Marceau..... the mime. That was probably obvious, but you know how e-mail is.... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu May 17, 2001 7:41 am Subject: Re: Poll/Question > http://www.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td/td_stef.html a comma sneaked in here in my previous post, rendering the link 'unknown'. sorry. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27048 Iris Kulterer - more infos form the percussion gi Rainer Rutka Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu May 17, 2001 6:56 am Subject: Iris Kulterer - more infos form the percussion girl! Hi everybody. If you want to know more about the girl who played the percussions in the TD Shepherds Bush concert, here it is: Her name is IRIS KULTERER. Her origin is from Vienna where she is playing in a lot of dance and latin projects. I found a very interesting internet site including some MP3 songs where she is included as a mamber of the band. It in the english language, too. The URL is: http://www.celia-mara.net/ goto the 'shows' section. Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- updated: www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Phil White' Date: Thu May 17, 2001 8:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Test Stream. Couldn't agree more with the sentiments expressed by Feldon and although Media Player 7 looks the business it has far too many glitches over the dull but stable version 6.4..... I have yet to see anyone other than Bill enthuse over the newer version...maybe Win XP will address this ?? Best Phil From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Thu May 17, 2001 8:22 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Test Stream. Real is fast loosing popularity, Windows encoder/streamer sounds better and it's free (comes as part on Win2K server) Real Producer and Streamer are very expensive (I've just had to buy them). It looks like Microsoft are doing to Real the same thing they did to Netscape! MP7 is quiet buggy but 7.1 is okay. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] Sent: 17 May 2001 08:03 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Test Stream. At the risk of starting a bit of a tiff, please folks, don't run out and download Windows Media Player 7 for this purpose. #1 it's not needed--6.4 should work perfectly. 6.4 works with even the newest formats (2 months old) #2 Windows Media Player 7 is full of bugs and even more aggressive and obnoxious than RealAudio. It's not a streamlined awesome player like 6.4 is. -Morgan Still hoping you guys will go Shoutcast :) :) ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu May 17, 2001 9:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Poll/Question i am constantly making tapes/CDs for myself, depending on the mood, of different TDness... with official releases, bootlegs, fantapes and such, there is much music to keep one busy... i find that by going through my TD collectioin to make a compilation, it's almost always like being introduced to the band again... almost... =) over time, most, if not, get given away because people ask me what i'm listening to and i tell them and they ask if they can borrow it... i've yet to get one of these back... ?=^) it's my way of carrying on the preacher's teaching... however, when i do put a tape together specifically to introduce people to TD, which i've done a dozen times or more, the following listing gives an overview of those tracks that i consider to be milestones in the bands career (of course, seen through my rosy glasses... =) and which comprise most of my selections for the tape/CD... Side 1 will usually hold a mix of the following: Astral Voyager Kiew Mission Diamond Diary Force Majuere (first 10 mins or so) Tangram (first 10 mins or so) Poland (the song) (first 11 mins or so) Tier Garden or Le Parc White Eagle Side 2 will usually hold a mix of the following: Song of the Whales Part 1 Song of the Whales Part 2 Alchemy of the Heart Melrose Chia Maroon Comet's Figure Head and as much of the first 45 mins of the Livemiles CD i can fit... =) i once used a ToB song and the guy turned out to only like this one song, and consequently ths one album, and could leave the rest... interesting... however, i have found that this gives a fairly good cross-section of the band and that if the person doesn't like what they hear here, they probably won't dig the rest of the stuff... that being said, if i know the person digs stuff with more beat, i'll cut a cross section from the DMs and other type stuff... till next time... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Thu May 17, 2001 12:44 pm Subject: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES VOL 2 Hi everyone on the list As the reviews are good in the mailing lists, i plan to manage a volume 2 of our CDR project 'Dreamwatchers' Tales'. the rule is the same : a track between 2 min and 10 min. Who wants to be part of this new project ? As you see in the first project there were some collaboration tracks (Darklion/Dr Strange and Darklion/Olyam). if you want to create something with someone, it could be very great. What do you think ? As i plan to reIease the new Dreamwatchers CDR project at the end of the year, i hope to get a lot of titles. I think it's a good thing to begin to collect the tracks as soon as possible, that's why i post the message now. I already got replies from some musicians in the previous Vol and i can say we could hear new tracks from : Olyam Darklion Nightbirds John Gentile Dave Brewer Döktor Strange Dream Conspiracy Ionic Fred Yargui Richard Ford there will be some collaborations Darklion - Olyam (new track) Darklion - Nightbirds (new track) Free System Project - Dave Brewer Matthew Stringer from Dream Conspiracy told me he will create a collaboration track with another musician he knows. Jerome Salyers from Ionic would like to collaborate with someone (anyone intersted ?) The new project will surely be an Anthology if we work right now for a release at the end of the year Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Thu May 17, 2001 12:47 pm Subject: Who will be in Osnabrueck for the KS conert ? I will be in Osnabrueck during the Klaus Schulze concert for Klangart. I hope to meet some of you Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27063 Re: Who will be in Osnabrueck for the KS conert ? Rainer Rutka Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB From: john@p... Date: Wed May 16, 2001 10:07 pm Subject: Re: Bush Discussion --- In tadream@y..., 'David Foster' wrote: > I was going to say how brilliant I thought KS was as a 'live keyboard player'. And then today, for the first time a friend gave me Are you sequenced vol 1 and to me that was the whole Derby 27 4 96 concert. Did he do much live? I'd say yes. He positions himself so that you can see what he's playing, and his hands move to the right places at the right time. I don't have a copy of the concert to compare against AYS, so I can't be sure, but I'd be very suprised if it was exactly the same. Similar, yes, especially as it was a very rhythm driven set, but he's always left space for semi improvised playing. If it turned out to be identical, I'd say he used the Derby tapes to produce the 'studio' album (not the first time) - I'm 99.some% sure he was playing then, and every other time I've seen him. There comes a point where to mime that well you might as well play it. jc Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27060 Re: Bush Discussion glynn_naughton@h... Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27064 Re: Bush Discussion odean@m... Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB From: john@p... Date: Wed May 16, 2001 10:43 pm Subject: Re: Test Stream. --- In tadream@y..., 'Phil White' wrote: > I have recently switched to a cable modem and TDream is playing loud,clear > and so far no drop-outs or interuptions in output. Me too. And while I'm running an FTP session too. Actually, a couple of pops but that could be anything. > Oh how I love this broadband... :-))) And how. If I could only work out a way to reliably record Stars End I'd be a very happy man. > Best Phil Phil White of Amazonian Lepidoptera 'fame'? How's it hanging? jc Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27062 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Thu May 17, 2001 3:19 am Subject: Part 2 of my Okefenokee Memoirs Well, I finally did it! Here is part 2 of my Oke trip memoirs. Newcomers and those of you on tangerinedream list can see part one at my personal web site (not the EMUSIC site). These memoirs will appear there, too, once the ISP gets the server back on-line. Part 2: Day four began a little earlier than the day before. After a nice shower, I dressed and decided to see who was stirring. Morgan was the pretzel on the couch (cottage #5) and John was asleep on the kitchen floor! (Poor guy.) Roger was sawing wood on his cot on the porch. Marion was behind the cottage, sitting at the picnic table, enjoying a morning cigarette. I sat down across the table from her and we began talking quietly so as not to disturb Roger, who was perhaps 10 or 15 feet from us, separated only by a screen. Then an 'evil' thought entered my mind. My friend Dave and I were in Nashville once in the '80s when he used a microcassette recorder to 'document' my snoring. Since my minidisc was my latest new toy, I couldn't resist using it to 'document' Roger's extraordinary 'synthesizer.' So I sneaked back into the cottage, grabbed the gear, and set it up a few feet away from Roger. I quietly rejoined Marion and it was all the self control we could muster to keep from laughing uproariously, rolling on the ground. About 6 minutes later, I retrieved the gear, set it on the picnic table and told Marion, 'This is an excellent example of wildlife out here at Okefenokee.' Marion urged me to use it at that night's museum concert. Breakfast ensued with Morgan whipping up omelets as best he could, considering how sticky the non-stick pan was! But all was tasty non-the-less. Everyone seemed to pitch in with food prep (chopping, etc.) and cleanup so no one was burdened with 'work.' Then a good number of swampers were off on a nature walk. Passing the boat dock, we heading out on a trail that continued via a boardwalk. Lars' boys decided that Dave was their new best friend and later included Marcel. We all talked and listened to birds and frogs and spotted some critters, including a scared little fawn. It was a great time and camera shutters were snapping open and closed. Back at the boat dock, we invaded the ranger station/gift shop to pick up momentos and gifts. The rest of the afternoon consisted of being lazy, messing with the gear and packing it up for the night's concert at the museum. Dinner was another blur like breakfast. Food just seemed to pop into the room from a parallel universe! The musicians were fed first to allow packing, transport, and set up at the museum. Many other hands helped with all the schlepping. The stuffed raccoon and 'possum sprouted the now mandatory tangerines (you've seen the photo of the raccoon on the 'Okefenokee Dreams' CD, haven't you?) Like a puzzle, everyone figured out how to get five musicians and their gear onto the tiny stage. People who saw the flyer that Vic posted at the gift shop started arriving. One asked what kind of music we played. Vic's response was, 'Electronic Swamp Music.' 'Is that like bluegrass?' came the query and I nearly fell over, stifling laughter while grinning ear to ear. Set up was completed, candles were lit, and I encouraged Vic to play MC and introduce us. I'm glad I entrusted Morgan to record the event on my minidisc, otherwise the intro would have been lost. (Note to self: In the future, be sure the person closest to my DAT, entrusted to press record does so before festivities begin and understands that there is no need to pause or stop the tape for events under two hours duration! No need to conserve tape, either.) Five of us play, then the Friday night threesome do a number. Was there another number by all five at this point? (Details are getting foggy as this is being written nearly a month after the fact!) Peter did some nice work and then Marcel joined in part way through. The Dave did a medley of TD piano solos. Great stuff despite the errors due to nervousness. (Dave, it's only us and we're cool. Next time, don't be nervous!) Tear down, pack up, load out, transport, off load. Party until bed time. Rather than a CD, I thought I'd listen to that night's minidisc recording of the museum concert while drifting off to sleep. Since the minidisc has two headphone outputs, I had the brilliant idea of sharing this with Marion. It made her feel special to have this shared with her. But I must reveal that I was more thrilled to be able to share it and make somebody feel special. So ended day four. Day five (Monday) was my last full day at Okefenokee, After showering and dressing, I was fiddling with some gear (making a CDR perhaps?) when Lars' boys came bursting in, wanting to say good bye to Dave. Out of courtesy to Dave, I said that he was sleeping (which he was!). But Lars explained how little folk need closure. So they went into the other bedroom to hug Dave awake, er, um, good bye. Today, I took the minidisc back out to the boardwalk nature trail, set up, and hung out at the gift shop away from the microphone. Mostly I sat in one of the rocking chairs. But I asked for directions to I-95 and got a map of Georgia while I was there. Retrieved the gear and went to breakfast. Breakfast was another foodfest with Morgan at the omelet pan again. Only the omelets weren't sticking... Hey, Morgan went to Florida and bought a pan! Now there's dedication for you. Morgan turned out to be a much better breakfastmeister than I ever could have been. Then it was back to the swamp in motor boats. I decided to try captaining again, if only to get through an entire trip without being towed! So what happened? I flooded the engine before we ever left the dock! We changed boats and we're off. The others were waiting in the waterway that leads to the main swamp. This time we headed away from Minnie's Lake and Billy's Island to explore new territory. With all of the tourists at home or at work, all the critters were out in force. After a while, we returned to Billy's Island. (It's MY island!) This time I stayed at the dock to rest and avoid the mosquitoes. Too bad because I missed seeing the owlet. Returned to the cottages. More food followed by a bunch of us transporting the gear to a picnic shelter. John said that he wanted to do a 'noise' piece. So once the PA was up and running, I played the minidisc of Roger snoring, announcing it as 'Wildlife at Okefenokee.' Laughter all around and Roger seemed to be good natured about it. I put up the effect send on the minidisc channel so Marcel would be able to mangle the snoring with his effect unit. The concert began with me fading in the minidisc as Marcel mangled away. Peter added samples of Lars' boys he had made the day before. I was able to get my looper going just in time for the minidisc to end. So instead of looping the snoring, I looped myself talking to Marion. (See day four at the top of this post.) Well, it made for a nice demarcation from the beginning of the piece. What a great time I had making noise and music with people whose CDs I play on my radio program. I was absolutely giddy! When the music ended, we packed up as fast as we could because the intern ranger was going to take us out on the swamp on the pontoon boat. It was twilight as we left the dock. I started my minidisc again to record the trip. Once out on the swamp, the intern took us upstream and killed the engine. Everyone was quiet while I recorded the swamp at night. I broke the silence with, 'So when does the sequencer bit begin?' We used flashlights to find red dots... alligator eyes! After a while, we returned to the cottages. I was packing gear in my car to get a head start on the next day's trek when Frank asked if I could play the DAT of that night's concert. So instead of going to bed, I unloaded the DAT from the car, set it up in the 'food cottage' and joined the party. Pete used the opportunity to record the tape on his minidisc. (Why the heck aren't these things more popular than they are? The US hasn't caught on to these gizmos the way they have in Europe and Japan...) I brought out my memory book for people to sign and write down their thoughts. You'll have to come to the next Okefenokee Swampfest if you want to read what people wrote. There's plenty of blank pages left for future trips and your entry! There was some food (of course) and I finally had one of the beers I bought back in Atlanta. I left while people were still going. But I had to get to bed in anticipation of the long drive ahead of me. Day five was done. Day six I did my final packing and said goodbyes to whoever was awake (Marion, John, Peter and his wife). I left at 8:30 and drove west out of the park the way we had entered just a few short days ago. At the first highway, I turned left and, once again, was in new territory. This route took me south of the swamp in an easterly direction. I entered Florida and continued east. I entererd Georgia and continued east. I entered Florida (again) and continued east. Then the road ended!! Actuall, it was torn up all the way to dirt for reconstruction. So I back tracked to the highway patrol station a mile back and asked for directions. Went back to where the road ended, turned north, drove a few miles, and turned east. In Callahan, I stopped at a McDonald's for breakfast. As I got back into the car, the radio happened to be tuned to 'Bubba Radio!' (You HAD to be there...) Drove a bit and picked up I-95 North. Entered Georgia! Nothing much to talk about the drive up I-95 except that I had to stop and take a picture of a restaurant/tourist trap called Swamp Fox. I got as far as Fredericksburg, Virginia before I called it a day 13 hours after hitting the road. I wasn't feeling well so I never went out for dinner. Cheers, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Day seven I was feeling better, checked out, and had the complimentary continental breakfast. Five hours later I was home, having driven through Virginia, Maryland, (spotted the Washington Memorial to the west when bypassing DC), Delaware, and New Jersey before getting to Pennsylvania. You know when you hit Pennsylvania. The roads turn to crap. I'm ready to return to the swamp. Hope you enjoyed reading my account of this special event. I'd hate to see it grow any larger because it would loose the intimate, family feeling we shared. It was great seeing people I had met in Europe, heard on CD, or knew only via email. Since returning home, I've joined both of the TD groups on Yahoo. From: mp3 maker Date: Thu May 17, 2001 6:21 am Subject: bootleg? several people sporting microphones down there. ---and how much are they selling bootlegs for? i think id rather have photographs just to have a collection of events on paper. ===== electroknot. the music. www.mp3.com/frankenstyne the promoter www.hardcorepromo.com ....it is not a porn site....who is frankenstyne? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Thu May 17, 2001 10:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] is it real or is it memorex? HELLO & BONJOUR to all ! When i 've began to play electronic-music ,( in1977) , during the concerts some 'very intelligents'people sayed ( better: cry ) HEY ! WHERE THE DRUMMER ? THE GUITARIST ? At this time , i only had 1 poly-keyboard for strings/piano/brass section , 1 research mono-synth.,1 drum-machine (like organ drum-machine ! ) And it was total Live..........of course ! THEN during the 80's & the early 90's , i change/complete/make error in my choice/correct them to have a personal equipment with more keyboards for me - for live too and not only one big shitworkstation. Many friends near me are making music with or only computer , and their live-act generally seems like another one & that's all ! No confusion ,please ,i don't accuse or disparage this way (it's an other problem). But , personally , playing by the ' old school', without computer ,just fingers/mind & feeling , it's LIVE . Can we say that all 'Groove-box 'and such are just play-back machines ?And also that only turning filters,pressing puttons,cutting ,fading,mixing is NOT live ? I DON'T BE AGREE because i am not SHIVA and have only two arms THANKS A LOT GOD/GODDESS for SEQUENCER and multitrack recorder (it's also an instrument ,for me more sure than my old Doepffer seq.) BUT_BUT_BUT_BUT_BUT_BUT_BUT_BUT_BUT_......... ....I am alone on stage and not 2or3or more to play sequences,cords,fxs,soli,rythms etc etc... In fact i don't know if T.D.plays' real'live or not , but if (with their fantastic equipment , possibilities,means) T.D.don't ,i'll like to know why ,and perhaps i'll understand why a fantastic band like T.D. don't interest me actually ,while i continue to LOVE Klaus Schulze,ash ra,b.Eno ( who're only an exemple).Idon't have cds from T.D. ,only vinyl ep&lps and (FOR ME) T.D. existence is only Electronic Meditation...to....89. I don't have D.M3 but i've the5 groundliftaz limited serie maxis and i prefer the original tracks than these remix & if someone interested by them ,also the Ultima Thulé ep , contact me , please , off list. I must precise that in spite of all , i'll love & listen & play(in my mix) ever TANGERINE DREAM . TCHAOWWWWWWWWWW & LOVE & LIGHT to YOU ALL...........ERICK/Dr.Strange. From: 'Ronald Clercx' Date: Thu May 17, 2001 11:13 am Subject: TD Godfathers of dance music? Hey everybody, I've been monitoring this newsgroup for about three months now (asking some questions once in a while), and I would like to react to some of the statements made, which made me quite agrevated. Somebody made the remark that TD were the 'Godfathers of dance music'. As much as I loved TD in their 70's thru mid 80s, I have to say that I really don't hear any connection in style between let's say TD and for example Underworld, Sven Vath, Ken Ishi, Orbital, The Orb, ... If their is a common interest between the latter and TD, it's the use of electronic music equipment to make music but that is as far as it goes for me. Ask most D.J.'s that know their music history (I know because I spinned vinyl in different clubs for about 5 years) what they see as the godfathers of dance music and they will name the album 'Computer World' or 'Man Machine' by Kraftwerk. Those of you who visit clubs once in a while will hear if there are 'retro-techno-house' party's, you'll never hear TD played but occasionally 'The Robots', 'The Model', 'Radioactivity', all by Kraftwerk, will pop-up. There is a world of difference between let's say a rhythmic track as 'Hyperborea' (which I consider a masterpiece by the way) and 'Dark And Long' by Underworld. Sure there are modern EM bands who are influenced by TD: Red Shift, Arcane, RMI, Free System Project, ... but these are worlds apart from modern dance music. I joined this newsgroup in order to catch up with the later stuff of TD (I stopped listening after Optical Race) but after a few attempts to listen to the later stuff, I must say I have given TD up completely. The dream mixes I consider a bad example to mimic modern dance music (which underlines my view that TD just isn't the roots of modern dance music). The latest concert reviews of the SB gig, are all at least 'poor'. Somebody made the comparison between Orbital and TD and I thought that review say's it all: the keyword is effort and the guts to experiment. TD just lost the latter, and now they are fading shadows of what they used to be, using the easy way out: just let a studio-prepared hard-disk recording (which is merely a best of the early past) start at a live show, hire a few mimic players et voila: rip-of cash from the fans who live in the past. (The difference between let's say Kraftwerk and TD is that Kraftwerk knew at least where to stop and had the decency not to cash in on the past). It seems the more TD does recently, the more it compares badely to their past. It surprises me that TD still has so much cult-followers left. Surely you must be offended by the way TD cashes in bringing out - one compilation after another (with only few differences in the playing lists, so you would be tempted to buy it anyway so your collection would still be complete) - bad retro gigs (the official Soundmill Navigator) - poor recent concerts, charging just below 20 quid to mimic I'm sure Edgar Froese is having a laugh at it all, running to the door step to cash in on his latest cheque ... Friendly regards Ronald Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27061 Re: TD Godfathers of dance music? ampmusic Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Thu May 17, 2001 1:11 pm Subject: Re: Bush Discussion > I was going to say how brilliant I thought KS was as a 'live >keyboard player'. And then today, for the first time a friend gave >me Are you sequenced vol 1 and to me that was >the whole Derby 27 4 >96 concert. Did he do much live? Absolutely no question that KS plays for real. The _Are You Sequenced_ CD was made from the Derby tapes (minus the sensational ending). Having said that, he didn't play very much - just one-handed solos over the pre-programmed backings. Last year at the Royal Festival Hall he was playing too - solos with the right hand and quite a bit of chord work with the left. Nobody's ever going to mistake him for Oscar Peterson, but he definitely does it for real on stage. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27064 Re: Bush Discussion odean@m... Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Thu May 17, 2001 2:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Godfathers of dance music? You're certainly right about that part. I can still hear him laughing about one for Ł5,000 he ripped off a few years back... Ronald Clercx wrote: > > I'm sure Edgar Froese is having a laugh at it all, running to the door step > to cash in on his latest cheque ... > > Friendly regards > > Ronald > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Thu May 17, 2001 1:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Test Stream. Glad to offer the service, thanks for anyone who tuned in, it was a nice way to test my server. Cheers Matt P.S. if you really want to test your broadband I've beefed it up to 96KPS which sounds great! -----Original Message----- From: john@p... [mailto:john@p...] Sent: 16 May 2001 23:44 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Test Stream. --- In tadream@y..., 'Phil White' wrote: > I have recently switched to a cable modem and TDream is playing loud,clear > and so far no drop-outs or interuptions in output. Me too. And while I'm running an FTP session too. Actually, a couple of pops but that could be anything. > Oh how I love this broadband... :-))) And how. If I could only work out a way to reliably record Stars End I'd be a very happy man. > Best Phil Phil White of Amazonian Lepidoptera 'fame'? How's it hanging? jc ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu May 17, 2001 3:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Who will be in Osnabrueck for the KS conert ? On Thu, 17 May 2001, Yannick EDOM wrote: > I will be in Osnabrueck during the Klaus Schulze concert for Klangart. > I hope to meet some of you > Friendly from France Put me onto the list. I'll be there :-) Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: odean@m... Date: Thu May 17, 2001 8:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Bush Discussion At 01:11 PM 5/17/01 +0000, Glynn wrote a bout KS: >Nobody's ever going to mistake him for Oscar Peterson, but he definitely does >it for real on stage. Well said that man! 'O' From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Fri May 18, 2001 8:20 am Subject: Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . .(private e-mail) From: 'Stevie McRae' To: 'Brian Stewart' Subject: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . .(private e-mail) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:46:02 +0000 http://www.sra.at/persons/168/15784.htm Stevie McRae Technician Telephone 01224-522277 Fax 01224-636181 'This message is not intended to have contractual effect.' http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/ 'Save Resources' Please do not print this message or any attachments unless necessary. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27066 Re: Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info ... Rainer Rutka Fri 5/18/2001 2 KB 27069 Re: Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . john@p... Fri 5/18/2001 2 KB 27084 Re: Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . Phil Wingfield Fri 5/18/2001 2 KB 27085 Re: Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . Rainer Rutka Fri 5/18/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Fri May 18, 2001 7:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info ... On Fri, 18 May 2001, Brian Stewart wrote: > From: 'Stevie McRae' > Subject: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . .(private e-mail) > http://www.sra.at/persons/168/15784.htm Great ! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- new update: www.rutka.de/td (17.05.01) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Phil White' Date: Fri May 18, 2001 9:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Test Stream. Yes the ALTOC guy.... Hanging fine thanks John if a little worn. New album is fine too...keep it up ( the music that is ! ) Couldn't agree more with your sentiment regarding Stars End maybe someone out there can help ?? ATB Phil :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:43 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Test Stream. > --- In tadream@y..., 'Phil White' wrote: > > > I have recently switched to a cable modem and TDream is playing > loud,clear > > and so far no drop-outs or interuptions in output. > > Me too. And while I'm running an FTP session too. Actually, a > couple of pops but that could be anything. > > > Oh how I love this broadband... :-))) > > And how. If I could only work out a way to reliably record Stars End > I'd be a very happy man. > > > Best Phil > > Phil White of Amazonian Lepidoptera 'fame'? How's it hanging? > > jc From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri May 18, 2001 11:30 am Subject: Peanuts Cartoon This one's just too good to miss. Enjoy ! best regards, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27104 Peanuts Cartoon Klaus Beschorner Sun 5/20/2001 2 KB From: john@p... Date: Fri May 18, 2001 10:28 am Subject: Re: Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . .(private e-mail) --- In tadream@y..., 'Brian Stewart' wrote: Fine email name! > Subject: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . . Half the postings seem to have her as the new Linda Spa, the others can't work out if she was a man or a woman. I need to see a picture. jc From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri May 18, 2001 1:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . .(private e-mail) john@p... wrote: > > > Subject: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . . > > Half the postings seem to have her as the new Linda Spa, the others > can't work out if she was a man or a woman. I need to see a picture. Go to http://www.rutka.de/td/shepherds/shepherds.html and look for the person with purple hair. BTW, great job, Rainer. Antonio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27072 Iris and Edgar glynn_naughton@h... Fri 5/18/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri May 18, 2001 2:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . .(private e-ma... > Half the postings seem to have her as the new Linda Spa, the others > can't work out if she was a man or a woman. I need to see a picture. > > jc > *Go to that original address... the piccie on the album cover is not bad, kind of a vanity shot, but the other picture scared me..... Rosanne 'Bongo' Barr. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Fri May 18, 2001 2:42 pm Subject: Iris and Edgar >Go to http://www.rutka.de/td/shepherds/shepherds.html and look for >the person with purple hair. Looks good, Rainer! Looking forwards to the full version. As to the 'she-male' thing, God knows where that came from. I was right up on the third level, and it was pretty obvious even from there that the percussionist was female. There must be some seriously short-sighted TD fans... Bloody hell, though. Time's finally catching up with old Edgar, innit? Glynn From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Fri May 18, 2001 2:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Iris and Edgar > >Go to http://www.rutka.de/td/shepherds/shepherds.html and look for > >the person with purple hair. Great Pics Rainer! thanks for Sharing them :-) Nick Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... ICQ 44174543 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27075 Re: Iris and Edgar Frank Arellano Fri 5/18/2001 3 KB 27077 Re: Iris and Edgar Joel S. Mullen Fri 5/18/2001 2 KB 27080 Re: Iris and Edgar Sean Montgomery Fri 5/18/2001 2 KB 27088 Re: Iris and Edgar E Neal Frost Fri 5/18/2001 3 KB 27090 Re: Iris and Edgar - Names are onto the pictures Rainer Rutka Fri 5/18/2001 2 KB 27089 Re: Iris and Edgar vic rek Fri 5/18/2001 2 KB 27091 Re: Iris and Edgar Rainer Rutka Fri 5/18/2001 2 KB 27285 Re: Iris and Edgar tom george Thu 5/31/2001 2 KB From: wyslannik@y... Date: Fri May 18, 2001 3:10 pm Subject: RAMP at Jodrell Bank / TDinSB question Hello Tadreamers ! I heard a couple of weeks ago, that there will be a concert of RAMP in famous Jodrell Bank. I've never been there, but I suppose, that someone of you have been there. Is anyone of you (mainly from UK) going to see that concert? Cheers Jakub from Poland PS. Any rumours about some bootleg from 12th May event? Some tapes/cdr? :) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27109 Re: RAMP at Jodrell Bank / TDinSB question Bill Fox Sun 5/20/2001 4 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri May 18, 2001 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Iris and Edgar I agree, Rainer, thanks a lot. Unfortunately, for some reason I couldn't get to see the pictures of Iris, Gerald nor Jerome. Maybe if I waited twenty minutes! 8-) Atleast we got to see pictures of a couple of the big dogs there, [Klaus and Duncan] and a couple wanna be's [Heiko H. and Heiko N.] 8-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Nick Adams' To: Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Iris and Edgar > > > >Go to http://www.rutka.de/td/shepherds/shepherds.html and look for > > >the person with purple hair. > > Great Pics Rainer! thanks for Sharing them :-) > > Nick > > > Home Nicad@n... > Work Nick_Adams@L... > ICQ 44174543 > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu May 17, 2001 8:13 pm Subject: Godfather of Dance Music: Giorgio Moroder, Not Kraftwerk On Thu, 17 May 2001 13:13:21 +0200 'Ronald Clercx' writes: >[. . .] Ask most D.J.'s that know their music history (I >know because I spinned vinyl in different clubs for about 5 >years) what they see as the godfathers of dance music and >they will name the album 'Computer World' or 'Man Machine' >by Kraftwerk. [. . .] They are obviously poseurs trying to act trendy, then, because anyone with a true knowledge of dance music history will tell you that Giorgio Moroder had and continues to have more of a direct influence than Kraftwerk had/has. For example, you can still dance to Moroder's stuff easily, but dancing to Kraftwerk has always been rather difficult. Kraftwerk's record sales and radio play are miniscule compared to that of Moroder, whose sound is imitated all over the world. For those unfamiliar with Moroder, here are some pop successes he wrote, co-wrote and/or produced: Son of My Father -- Giorgio Moroder Chase -- Giorgio Moroder (MIDNIGHT EXPRESS soundtrack) Carry On -- Giorgio Moroder featuring Donna Summer Love to Love You Baby -- Donna Summer I Feel Love -- Donna Summer MacArthur Park -- Donna Summer Heaven Knows -- Donna Summer Hot Stuff -- Donna Summer Bad Girls -- Donna Summer Dim All the Lights -- Donna Summer Last Dance -- Donna Summer (THANK GOD ITS FRIDAY soundtrack) On the Radio -- Donna Summer (FOXES soundtrack) Call Me -- Blondie (AMERICAN GIGOLO soundtrack) What a Feeling -- Irene Cara (FLASHDANCE soundtrack) Putting Out Fire -- David Bowie (CAT PEOPLE soundtrack) Take My Breath Away -- Berlin (TOP GUN soundtrack) Neverending Story -- Limahl (NEVERENDING STORY soundtrack) Don't Go Breaking My Heart -- Elton John & RuPaul and here are five influential club successes: Get on the Funk Train -- Munich Machine From Here to Eternity -- Giogio Moroder Evolution -- Giorgio Moroder No. 1 in Heaven -- Sparks Harmony -- Suzy Lane Personally, I like Tangerine Dream's DREAM MIXES and TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II CDs more than most techno I have heard because their material functions more as actual songs and as standalone music. Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Fri May 18, 2001 3:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Iris and Edgar What is with Jerome flashing gang signs........ will the next TD release be a rap version of TYGER?? On Friday, May 18, 2001 9:54 AM, Nick Adams [SMTP:Nicad@n...] wrote: > > > >Go to http://www.rutka.de/td/shepherds/shepherds.html and look for > > >the person with purple hair. From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri May 18, 2001 3:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . .( private e-mail) OK, is that Edgar drinking a beer? http://www.rutka.de/td/shepherds/after_show03.jpg ...and what is Jerome's hand gesture supposed to mean? http://www.rutka.de/td/shepherds/after_show13.jpg Joe From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri May 18, 2001 4:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . .( private e-... > ...and what is Jerome's hand gesture supposed to mean? > http://www.rutka.de/td/shepherds/after_show13.jpg > > *I found that kind of scary too... next TD phase... gangsta rap? Poly P.S. Thanks for the pics Ranier, they were great [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27083 Re: Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . PERGAMON Fri 5/18/2001 3 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri May 18, 2001 4:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Iris and Edgar 'Joel S. Mullen' wrote: > What is with Jerome flashing gang signs........ will the next TD > release be a rap version of TYGER?? Hey, Jerome is one hardcore mutha! If you dis him he'll bust a cap in yo ass! Of course, it could also be that Jerome had some horrible accident and lost two fingers...which would certainly explain the necessity of all the pre-programming for the concert. And my, Edgar certainly is looking his age. But at least he doesn't still strut across the stage like Mick Jagger. Thanks for putting up the pics, Rainer! -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Thenite0wl@a... Date: Fri May 18, 2001 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Anyone ever heard of 'Paul Brookes' Hi,all.. I also have the Paul Brookes,and the P.J.Wells lp's mentioned and also think they are good for first efforts... Incidentally, I'm sure Phil Wells also did a couple of tapes for New World, and also they were 'new-age' excursions...anyone also have them.? (please contact me offline if you wish..) Another synthy lp...Wavemaker..(think it is titled)'Where are we captain'(?) Regards, Paul. From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 4:04 pm Subject: The Bush review - tapes anyone? Hey there all, I had to ask the obvious question about having a copy of this show? Hell, I've been reading about it in Classic Rock magazine (seeing ads, etc) for the last few months, thought I'd ask? IF anyone does, please e-note me off the lists, and i'd love to see about obtaining a copy preferrably on CDR? thanks. I've got some goodies to swap of course, so anyone interested, I'd love to hear from ya. dan Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com Crackasmile, TeslaGroup, TheTradingCircle, ChristianRockMusic, Found HERE! http://www.yahoogroups.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), MSN Messenger

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri May 18, 2001 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . .( private e-... Hi It could mean anything.........TDI..........(dm)3........or that his is just another 'homie' that has to manifest himself via handgestures.........who cares!!!!!!! Don't worry, next TD album is featuring M&M and Rex doogy dog =) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Synthhtnys@a... To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . .( private e-... > ...and what is Jerome's hand gesture supposed to mean? > http://www.rutka.de/td/shepherds/after_show13.jpg > > *I found that kind of scary too... next TD phase... gangsta rap? Poly P.S. Thanks for the pics Ranier, they were great [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Fri May 18, 2001 7:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . .(private e-mail) >I wish I had one > Subject: Iris Kulterer - I need to see a picture. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27085 Re: Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . Rainer Rutka Fri 5/18/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Fri May 18, 2001 6:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . .(private e-mail) On Fri, 18 May 2001, Phil Wingfield wrote: > >I wish I had one > > Subject: Iris Kulterer - I need to see a picture. www.rutka.de/td -> Shepherds Bush.... Rainer From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat May 19, 2001 2:42 am Subject: Iris I think those of you who couldn't work out if Iris was a man or a woman must have been sitting right at the back of the venue on the very highest tier. Either that or you really should make an appointment with the nearest optician! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri May 18, 2001 8:48 pm Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush - some late thoughts Hi Folks, Sorry I'm a little late with my report, and I'll have to make it quick as I'm writing this during the radio programme (playing Dream Mixes three). I haven't had the chance to read all the postings either (mainly because four digests covering the reports failed to materialise in Poland). First of all it was very nice to meet a lot of you in person at Harveys' (which went quiet after the football, and we were all hiding downstairs!). It was very nice to meet the two Pauls, Brian, Geir, Marion, Heiko, Lawry (during and after the concert) and the rest too numerous to mention. As to the concert itself - well, I enjoyed it overall. It was a little bit slow to get going, and some of the track selections for he first part of the show were strange, mainly from the Optical race era, and, from those postings I have read, I'm too in agreement that the bongos and guitars seemed forced. But it was nice to see Edgar and Jerome enjoying themselves, and Jerome did do some percussion too as well as keyboards. I know many of you have mixed feelings about the concerts, but, hey, I think our expectations have become rather high. I still hope to see the Poland concert on September 1. Give me a few more days and I'll finally get around to posting my views on Dream Mixes three... But at the end of the day my enjoyment was enhanced by meeting many of you that evening, and I hope we all have the chance to do so again. Incidentally, am I the first Radio presenter in the world to play Dream mixes three (broadcasting Friday 18 May)? - Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27101 Re: Shepherds Bush - some late thoughts vic rek Sat 5/19/2001 2 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri May 18, 2001 10:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Iris and Edgar If I might interject a question here.....if anybody is in a picture on this website, please describe yourself. I for one would like to know what some of you look like. There are no names given to the pictures. Thanks Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 10:42 AM Subject: [tadream] Iris and Edgar > >Go to http://www.rutka.de/td/shepherds/shepherds.html and look for > >the person with purple hair. > > Looks good, Rainer! Looking forwards to the full version. > > As to the 'she-male' thing, God knows where that came from. I was > right up on the third level, and it was pretty obvious even from > there that the percussionist was female. There must be some seriously > short-sighted TD fans... > > Bloody hell, though. Time's finally catching up with old Edgar, innit? > > Glynn > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27090 Re: Iris and Edgar - Names are onto the pictures Rainer Rutka Fri 5/18/2001 2 KB From: vic rek Date: Fri May 18, 2001 11:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Iris and Edgar The download of the pictures was amusing to me once I realized that when I saw a name (not by moving the mouse), it was the picture to come, not the picture above. So you can image how shocked I was to match the wrong names with the faces I'm familiar :) Frank Arellano wrote: > I agree, Rainer, thanks a lot. Unfortunately, for some reason I couldn't > get to see the pictures of Iris, Gerald nor Jerome. Maybe if I waited twenty > minutes! 8-) Atleast we got to see pictures of a couple of the big dogs > there, [Klaus and Duncan] and a couple wanna be's [Heiko H. and Heiko N.] > 8-) > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27091 Re: Iris and Edgar Rainer Rutka Fri 5/18/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Fri May 18, 2001 10:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Iris and Edgar - Names are onto the pictures On Fri, 18 May 2001, E Neal Frost wrote: > If I might interject a question here.....if anybody is in a picture on this > website, please describe yourself. I for one would like to know what some of > you look like. There are no names given to the pictures. > Thanks > Neal Sorry Neal! Just put your mouse onto the picture(s) and wait for approx. 2 seconds. You'll see the name(s) in a small window apearing. It works with IE and Netscape. If you don't have one of the above browsers, tell me witch sone and I'll help you :-) Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Rainer Rutka Date: Fri May 18, 2001 10:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Iris and Edgar On Fri, 18 May 2001, vic rek wrote: >The download of the pictures was amusing to me once I realized that when I saw a >name (not by moving the mouse), it was the picture to come, not the picture >above. So you can image how shocked I was to match the wrong names with the >faces I'm familiar :) Strange! Because the name of the pictures are not the name(s) of the person, who onto it. The names are connected to the pictures using the 'alt='xxxx'- tag. :-) Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat May 19, 2001 12:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Iris and Edgar - Names are onto the pictures Thank you very much. It worked just fine. I am a little embarrassed that I did not no this before. Your site has always done this.....in my much advanced age, I must have forgotten. Thanks again. I am glad I finally get to 'meet' you, Duncan!! Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Rainer Rutka' To: Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Iris and Edgar - Names are onto the pictures > On Fri, 18 May 2001, E Neal Frost wrote: > > > If I might interject a question here.....if anybody is in a picture on this > > website, please describe yourself. I for one would like to know what some of > > you look like. There are no names given to the pictures. > > Thanks > > Neal > Sorry Neal! > Just put your mouse onto the picture(s) and wait for approx. 2 seconds. > You'll see the name(s) in a small window apearing. It works with IE and > Netscape. > If you don't have one of the above browsers, tell me witch sone and > I'll help you :-) > Rainer > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > www.rutka.de/td > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat May 19, 2001 12:35 am Subject: TD for TD-virgins Hello everyone, There's been this talk about TD compilations for those who don't know TD. Here's one I've made up, which is quite good, and was very effective (I've sent it to a Kraftwerk fan. Weeks after he got the CDR, I asked 'which was your favourite track?' and he said 'all of them!') I've tried to include at least one significant track of each important TD period, in chronological order - the track order turned out to be excellent. I only missed the latest years, since the latest TD album I have is Goblins' Club. I ended up putting a lot of 80s TD tracks. This CDR was part of a trade, so I also included Ricochet part 1 in another CDR (after Tubular Bells if my memory is telling the truth) This is the tracklist: 1. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares, first half (5:18, 1974) 2. Stratosfear (10:37, 1976) 3. Cloudburst Flight (7:28, 1979) 4. White Eagle (4:37, 1982) 5. Warsaw in the Sun part 1 (4:45, 1983 - from the single) 6. Le Parc (3:25, 1985 - this could be Tiergarten. It was so hard to choose.) 7. Dolphin Dance (5:07, 1986 - again, this could be Tiergarten.) 8. Alchemy of the Heart (4:11, 1987, from Spherical Harmonics, Boston, 6/7/88) 9. Valley of the Kings (5:10, 1989, which I simply love :) 10. Catwalk (7:19, 1995. This could be Rising Haul in Silence, or a few others) 11. (as a bonus track after a 10-track compilation - what a nice round number - and also as a 'grand finale') Silver Scale (20:32, Nostragram part 2, Brussels, 13/10/80) the total playing time is 78:51 (it was indeed hard to fit the tracks to the CDR limit). It's really a very nice compilation with a very wide range of styles. Also, considering an album, I believe Stratosfear is the best album to introduce someone to the classic 70s TD. Stratosfear seems to be the essence of 70s TD, with the variety, sequenced music, weird passages, unforgettable tunes, etc. I wish I had made a copy of this for myself. I only burned one CDR, for the trade, but I kept the tracklist. Also, a double CDR could be made, and then the tracklist would have to be rearranged, and it would also include: Tiergarten, something from Goblins' Club, Tangram part 1 (at least first 10 or so minutes), Ricochet part 1 (probably the whole track), and.. I don't know. I could go on forever about this, but I'll stop now. GJ now playing: Optimistic - Kid A, track 6 - Radiohead (excellent album, dark, very electronic and experimental. I highly recommend it to anyone who likes TD.) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27094 Intro to TD Robert Grabowsky Sat 5/19/2001 3 KB 27097 Re: TD for TD-virgins Marcel Engels Sat 5/19/2001 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sat May 19, 2001 2:58 am Subject: Intro to TD Here is a compilation I made up for an introduction of TD to those who have not heard them: Stolen Dreams 1) Philisophical Conversation : 0:23 from Electronic Orgy 2) Codename: The Soldier : 1:51 from Electronic Orgy 3) Love In A Real Train : 3:50 from Risky Business 4) White Clouds : 5:11 from The Collection 5) Stratosfear : 10:44 from Stratosfear 6) Kiew Mission : 9:16 from Exit 7) Exit : 5:30 from Exit 8) Cloudburst Flight : 7:25 from Force Majuere 9) Desert Drive : 2:04 from Wavelength 10) Dolphin Dance : 5:03 from Underwater Sunlight 11)Le Parc (Streethawk Theme) : 3:19 from Le Parc 12) Central Park : 3:37 from Le Parc 13) Teetering Scales : 3:40 from Miracle Mile 14) Final Statement : 3:11 from Miracle Mile 15) Oriental Haze (edit) : 3:04 (I edited it down) 16) Purple Haze : 3:12 from 220 Volt Live 17) San Rocco : 7:24 from Dream Mixes 1 18) The Dream Is Always The Same : 0:33 from Electronic Orgy Hope this Helps, THE HIGHLANDER From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Sat May 19, 2001 3:46 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: Fwd: Iris Kulterer - tiny bit of info at . . .( private e-mail) Joe Shoults > ...and what is Jerome's hand gesture supposed to mean? > http://www.rutka.de/td/shepherds/after_show13.jpg Napoleon? Best whishes, Glenn Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat May 19, 2001 7:53 am Subject: (tadream) Rainer's pictures Good to see close up of Iris. Look forward to reading your write up. You got me there too - red T-shirt David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27099 Re: (tadream) Rainer's pictures Rainer Rutka Sat 5/19/2001 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sat May 19, 2001 11:28 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TD for TD-virgins > From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavfj@m...] > > GJ now playing: Optimistic - Kid A, track 6 - Radiohead (excellent album, > dark, very electronic and experimental. I highly recommend it to > anyone who > likes TD.) Most definitely! The one before that 'OK Computer' is also very good, bit less experimental. Have you heard some of the new tracks from the forthcoming album 'Amnesiac'? Egyptian Song has got some weird time signatures but is beautiful. Hmmm doesn't have anything to do with TD...sorry. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat May 19, 2001 11:45 am Subject: RE: Shepherds Bush - some late thoughts by Roger H. Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:48:46 -0000 From: 'Roger Hartopp' Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush - some late thoughts Incidentally, am I the first Radio presenter in the world to play Dream mixes three (broadcasting Friday 18 May)? - Roger Hartopp ***Sorry Roger, you are not the first, first was the ElektroBeats Show on Radio Eins at the 09th of May 2001 from 11 pm to 0.00 am with Jerome as Live Studio Guest They played 5 Tracks from the DM 3. Regards heiko neumann burg www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sat May 19, 2001 11:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] (tadream) Rainer's pictures On Sat, 19 May 2001, David Foster wrote: > Good to see close up of Iris. Look forward to reading your write up. > You got me there too - red T-shirt > David Yes yes yes yes - I remember now. I'm getting old these days :-( I put the name in - so you're not unknown now. Sorry. And thanx. Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Sat May 19, 2001 7:47 pm Subject: shepherds bus 12-05-01 hi everyone here is the track listing that was played last saturday anyone that was there let me know of you spot any errors on set 2 as i have spent all day listening to this. set 1 1 Ça va - Ça marche - Ça ira encore 2 Catscan 3 Cool at heart 4 Force Majeure (mix) 5 Going West 6 Live Miles pt 2 (Excerpt) 7 The Comfort Zone 8 Warsaw in the Sun 9 Midnight Trail 10 Longing for Cashba Set 2 1 Drum solo 2 Primetime 3 Towards the evening star (blue gravity mix) 4 Meng Tian (Smart Machine Remix) 5 Timesquare (The legendary N:Y: Brix Mix) 6 Astrophobia (Red Supernova Mix) 7 Beauty of the Blast 8 Sony Topping Out Ceremony score Encores 1 Stereolight 2 Diamonds and Dust 3 Purple Haze 4 Edgars Closing Words anycoments please email me off list thanks Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: vic rek Date: Sat May 19, 2001 9:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherds Bush - some late thoughts Roger Hartopp wrote: > > Incidentally, am I the first Radio presenter in the world to play > Dream mixes three (broadcasting Friday 18 May)? > Roger, I hate to disappoint you, but a DJ friend of mine in Florida played DM3 on the air before the end of April, so some radio copies got out there early. Vic From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Sat May 19, 2001 10:14 pm Subject: shepherds bush Correct listing hi and thanks gary here is the correct listing for the concert last week set 1 1 Ca va - Ca marche - Ca ira encore 2 Catscan 3 Comet's Figure Head 4 Cool at heart 5 Force Majeure (mix) 6 Going West 7 Live Miles pt 2 (Excerpt) 8 The Comfort Zone 9 Warsaw in the Sun 10 Midnight Trail 11 Longing for Cashba Set 2 1 Drum solo 2 Primetime 3 Towards the evening star (blue gravity mix) 4 Outland 5 Timesquare (The legendary N:Y: Brix Mix) 6 Astrophobia (Red Supernova Mix) 7 Beauty of the Blast 8 Sony Topping Out Ceremony score Encores 1 Stereolight 2 Diamonds and Dust 3 Purple Haze 4 Edgars Closing Words i missed a track out on set one and made a mistake in identifying outland on set 2 Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun May 20, 2001 7:59 am Subject: Homepage update Hi all, Last update for www.opticaldream.de ( 19.05.2001) NEWS: Dream Mixes III Release Dream Mixes III Promotion Postcard Blue Room Project Radioshow`s Concertrecordings Thank you for your visit Cheer`s heiko www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27108 Re: Homepage update C. Chambers Sun 5/20/2001 2 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun May 20, 2001 10:01 am Subject: Peanuts Cartoon Sorry, this posting went to the mailing lists by accident. Anyway, a few of you showed interest, for those, here's the link (32kByte): http://www.caby.de/info.jpg have fun, cheers, klaus From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun May 20, 2001 10:22 am Subject: Edgar's closing words at S.Bush Hey, does anybody know whom 'from Hongkong' Edgar was referring to ? It wasn't our friend Jeffrey, so... best regards, klaus From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun May 20, 2001 3:15 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Edgar's closing words at S.Bush I got the impression he was delving back in his memory, he wasn't referring to anyone in particular, because he finished with 'and I don't know where'... Paul ---------- >De : Klaus Beschorner >Ŕ : tadream moderated mailing list at onelist >Objet : [tadream] Edgar's closing words at S.Bush >Date : Dim 20 mai 2001 12:22 > > > Hey, does anybody know whom 'from Hongkong' Edgar was referring > to ? It wasn't our friend Jeffrey, so... > > best regards, > klaus > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: David Hughes Date: Sun May 20, 2001 1:25 pm Subject: Pure White Hello all, Glynn Naughty-Naughton said... > As to the 'she-male' thing, God knows where that came from. > I was right up on the third level, and it was pretty obvious even from > there that the percussionist was female. There must be some seriously > short-sighted TD fans... I think it originated on Beyond_EM. You know how they got short-sighted, don't you! ?:) > Bloody hell, though. Time's finally catching up with old Edgar, innit? His hair looked pure white? I reckon he's next in line for a blue rinse? Regards David -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Sun May 20, 2001 6:51 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Homepage update Regarding: > Blue Room Project Does anyone know who plays guitar throughout? This is a great disc, too bad it never saw the legitimate release. Reminds me of the Police and TD doing a combo. Very nice...thanks, Vic! Craig From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat May 19, 2001 5:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RAMP at Jodrell Bank / TDinSB question -----Original Message----- From: wyslannik@y... To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 18, 2001 11:10 AM Subject: [tadream] RAMP at Jodrell Bank / TDinSB question >Hello Tadreamers ! >I heard a couple of weeks ago, that there will be a concert of RAMP in >famous Jodrell Bank. I've never been there, but I suppose, that >someone of you have been there. Is anyone of you (mainly from UK) >going to see that concert? > >Cheers >Jakub from Poland Hi Jakub, You don't want to miss this concert because RAMP (Frank Makowski and Stephen Parsick) are fabulous and Klaus 'Cosmic' Hoffmann-Hoock (equally fine!) will be there, too. Stephen and Klaus have done some great work together. And Frank has just released a great CD under his solo name TRANQUILLITY (yes, two Ls). I played it on last Thursday's show. Mmmmmm good! I'm in the USA and won't be able to attend but many of my friends from beyond_em will be there, I'm sure! This month's Special Focus on my radio program EMUSIC are the Concerts at Jodrell Bank. Go to my Special Focus page for links to SMD/Neu Harmony/Jodrell Bank Concerts. Cheers, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sat May 19, 2001 6:42 am Subject: CD-R: Intro to Modern TD On Fri, 18 May 2001 22:58:22 -0400 Robert Grabowsky writes: >Here is a compilation I made up for an introduction of TD >to those who have not heard them: This is what I came up with for introducing folks who hate anything more than ten years old: TANGERINE DREAM SAMPLER, 1995 - 2000: 1. Quasar [TYRANNY OF BEAUTY (UK bonus track), 1995] 3:44 2. Rough Embrace [THE DREAM MIXES, 1995] 5:31 3. Jungle Jacula [TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II, 1997] 8:42 4. Digital Sister [TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II, 1997] 7:10 5. Art of Destruction [WHAT A BLAST soundtrack, 1999] 7:35 6. Comet's Figure Head [MARS POLARIS, 1999] 10:03 7. Pilots of the Ether Belt [MARS POLARIS, 1999] 10:15 8. Outland (The Colony) [MARS POLARIS, 1999] 9:16 9. Astrophobia [MARS POLARIS, 1999] 9:58 10. Meng Tian [GREAT WALL OF CHINA soundtrack, 2000] 5:13 Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27111 Re: CD-R: Intro to Modern TD Rainer Rutka Sun 5/20/2001 2 KB 27114 Re: CD-R: Intro to Modern TD scfeldman@j... Mon 5/21/2001 3 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun May 20, 2001 6:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] CD-R: Intro to Modern TD On Sat, 19 May 2001 scfeldman@j... wrote: > TANGERINE DREAM SAMPLER, 1995 - 2000: > 1. Quasar [TYRANNY OF BEAUTY (UK bonus track), 1995] 3:44 > .. > 10. Meng Tian [GREAT WALL OF CHINA soundtrack, 2000] 5:13 > Steven Feldman ... and what's about the Sony Topping Out Score and Rising Haul in Silence? :-) Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- updated: www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon May 21, 2001 12:46 am Subject: (Amnesiac) Re: [tadream] Digest Number 896 Hi Marcel, I preferred to keep this out of the TD list. I've heard and read about Amnesiac, it seems it's going to be made of leftovers from Kid A, or are there new tracks made for it? I haven't heard any track from it yet; do you know a place where I can find them? - Gotta hear OK Computer some time - and the others too. see ya GJ just after playing KS's great Blackdance which I bought yesterday > > GJ now playing: Optimistic - Kid A, track 6 - Radiohead (excellent album, > > dark, very electronic and experimental. I highly recommend it to > > anyone who > > likes TD.) > >Most definitely! >The one before that 'OK Computer' is also very good, bit >less experimental. >Have you heard some of the new tracks from the forthcoming >album 'Amnesiac'? Egyptian Song has got some weird time >signatures but is beautiful. >Hmmm doesn't have anything to do with TD...sorry. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27115 Re: (Amnesiac) Re: [tadream] Digest Number 896 James E. Jacoby Mon 5/21/2001 3 KB 27118 Re: (Amnesiac) Re: [tadream] Digest Number 896 Synthhtnys@a... Mon 5/21/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon May 21, 2001 6:45 am Subject: Wanna be's > Atleast we got to see pictures of a couple of the big dogs > there, [Klaus and Duncan] and a couple wanna be's [Heiko H. and Heiko N.] > 8-) Frank, I wouldn't call myself a big dog, but getting labeled as a 'wanna be' really wasn't nice. Heiko H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27139 Re: Wanna be's Frank Arellano Wed 5/23/2001 4 KB 27142 Live (off topic) Matthew Stringer Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB 27146 Re: Live (off topic) john@p... Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sun May 20, 2001 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] CD-R: Intro to Modern TD On Sun, 20 May 2001 18:22:04 -0100 (MEZ) Rainer Rutka writes: > On Sat, 19 May 2001 scfeldman@j... wrote: > > > TANGERINE DREAM SAMPLER, 1995 - 2000: > > 1. Quasar [TYRANNY OF BEAUTY (UK bonus track), 1995] 3:44 > > .. > > 10. Meng Tian [GREAT WALL OF CHINA soundtrack, 2000] 5:13 > > Steven Feldman > ... and what's about the Sony Topping Out Score and Rising Haul in > Silence? :-) Well, basically, I don't like either of those all that much. Errr, actually, I think the Sony Topping Out Score is fairly lame. Sorry. > Rainer Steven From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Mon May 21, 2001 1:23 pm Subject: Re: (Amnesiac) Re: [tadream] Digest Number 896 --- Gustavo Jobim wrote: > I've heard and read about Amnesiac, it seems it's going to be made > of > leftovers from Kid A, or are there new tracks made for it? > I haven't heard any track from it yet; do you know a place where I > can find > them? Capitol has been *very* guarded about 'Amnesiac.' I attended a special event earlier this month in which the Capitol rep previewed the entire album, and I think it was pretty fantastic. It strikes more of a balance between 'Kid A' and 'OK Computer' having elements of both. It sounds a bit more accessible to the common fan, but only by a little. To give you an idea on how guarded they've been, the rep was Fed Ex'd the listening copy that morning, and immediately after the event he had to Fed Ex it back. 'Pyramid Song' strikes me as an odd choice for its first single, but then Radiohead has never been known to make things easy--they go with their heads and guts. The video is waaay bizarre and wonderful. James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Mon May 21, 2001 2:04 pm Subject: Re: Shooting Stars --- In tangerinedream@y..., 'Brian Hutton' wrote: > The other night some channel repeated the old Vic Reeves and Bob >Mortimer show Shooting Stars. Near the end of the show Vic anounces >that 'keyboard wizard Edgar Froese' would now do a strip tease. At >this point a bandy old guy with grey hair and wearing only a pair of >boxer shorts, cowboy boots and a bow tie walked across the set and >climbed onto a desk only to be attacked by the silly cow who used to >play Ivy Tilsey in Coronation Street. Did I dream all this or did >anyone else see it. > Brian Ha ha! Classic! I take it, then, that Ivy Tyldesely was one of the 'celebrity' guests. Who were the others? I'd like to track this episode down ;-) And what was the challenge for the nominated member of the winning team? (My favourite was the 'Wall of Dog' featuring former Krypton Factor presenter Gordon Burns, who had to knock bottles of Lenor balanced on a wall made from tins of dogfood using the slider of a trombone...) Glynn From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Mon May 21, 2001 3:03 pm Subject: Looking for Jeff Bergman Hi there As the Jeff Bergman's e-mail address i have is not a valid one, does someone could give me the right one ? Jeff is one of the Dreamwatchers' Tales contributors and i want to contact him for the new vol. Jeff if you see this message contact me offlist Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27333 Looking for Jeff Bergman Yannick EDOM Tue 6/5/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon May 21, 2001 3:09 pm Subject: Re: (Amnesiac) Re: [tadream] Digest Number 896 'Pyramid Song' strikes me as an odd choice for its first single, but then Radiohead has never been known to make things easy--they go with their heads and guts. The video is waaay bizarre and wonderful. *I was at a party last night where they were playing 'Kid A' which I hadn't heard for a while and I really have to get a copy of that... it's wonderful. For those who like it you may also want to try Tortoise's 'Standards' which was in the CD carousel too and fit very nicely with 'Kid A' Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon May 21, 2001 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] miming and such (warning: long) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 3:52 PM > > We're talking about synthesizers here, instruments What I mean is how much do you really know about > how TD makes the sounds happen onstage? You assume that because you > don't see their hands make every note happen that is is 'less' than > if they manually produced every single note? Would it make you > happier if they had never used sequencers at all? How about if they > played every friggin single note of every sequence? This is a little silly because TD were not playing anything other than commercial style music tunes . If they were playing some extreme avante garde music based on sound design etc then you may have a point because we would not know what they were doing or using . Judging from what I have heard ,they use a lot of samplers because they have all of the sample CDs that I own , so no mystery how they are getting those sounds . How about if > they hired even more session musicians to play lots of notes for > them? How sure are you that they haven't gotten there synthetically? I dont think anybody would expect them to play everything .They could play *something* allbeit melodies or chord sequences .......Jesus they could even try and mime in a convincing way !! > The reason that I'm sayi ng all this is that I see a lot of > accusations, but never an acknowledgement that Edgar could possibly > know more about how to do this than the accusers. I mean, come on: > most of you have day jobs, right? You don't get up every day and go > to an office for the last 30 years that consists of cutting edge music technology - > presumably the best that money could buy- do you? Fine , but when was the last time TD used cutting edge technology ? They started using basic home keyboard workstations (Korg O1W) on melrose , and apart from the obviouse JV1080 presets they now use readily available samples . The production quality of the albums is also bad when you compoare them to say...Mike Oldfield or Paul Haslinger . There is no excuse for a group like TD to mime when people are paying Ł20 to see them . Their music isn`t complex enough to merit mimng (not that that would be an excuse either)a few chords over a drumloop with the usual slow melodies over the top wouldn`t challenge a keyboardist with basic skills , never mind the man who`s lived and breathed it for the last 30 years . So you see , past credits aside , Edgar is a lazy piss taker who thinks his mere presence on stage is enough to make the show , when it should be the music and the performance that has the people cheering , not Edgar comically throwing his sweaty towel on the floor . As for the girl on percussion ... I`ll get to that later Paul From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Mon May 21, 2001 6:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Intro to TD A friend and I have been trying to produce the best introductory compilation, going chronologically, and this is what we came up with. (We started with one cdr and ended up filling four!). Volume 1: 1) Prime Time 2) Ultima Thule part 1 3) White Clouds 4) Phaedra (Live 1990) 5) Ricochet part 1 6) Stratosfear 7) Cherokee Lane 8) Thru Metamorphic Rocks 9) Tangram set 2 10) Horns of Doom 11) Kiew Mission 12) Exit 13) Beach Scene 14) Scrap Yard 15) Diamonds and Dust 16) Calymba Caly 17) Moorland 18) Logos Red Part Volume 2: 1) The Comfort Zone 2) Mojave Plan 3) White Eagle 4) No Mans Land 5) Hyperborea 6) Poland 7) Rare Bird 8) Hyde Park 9) Central Park 10) Song of the Whale Part 1 11) Dolphin Dance 12) Canyon Voices 13) Alchemy of the Heart 14) Livemiles Green Trail part 15) Cat Scan 17) Melrose (live) 18) Timesquare 19) Comets Figure Head 20) Astrophobia (Red Supernova Mix) Check out the cover for volume one here: http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdcomp.htm Any feedback welcome! Maff ________________________________________ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27121 Re: Intro to TD Phil White Mon 5/21/2001 2 KB 27124 Re: Intro to TD PERGAMON Mon 5/21/2001 4 KB 27125 Re: Intro to TD j.gordon Tue 5/22/2001 3 KB 27128 Re: Intro to TD Jim Moore Tue 5/22/2001 2 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Mon May 21, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Intro to TD Hi Matthew Looks like a comprehensive collection but personal choice will always be subjective,however you seem to have picked a lot of my favourites too. I am very impressed with the cover art...excellent ! ATB Phil White ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Sawyer' To: Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Intro to TD > A friend and I have been trying to produce the best introductory compilation, From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Mon May 21, 2001 7:06 pm Subject: Rainers pictures. Hello Rainer. I would just like to say your pictures are very good. What ever happened to the one of Heiko,duncan,john,glynn and myself. I was wearing the seven letters T/SHIRT. You took it outside the pub. Could that be an ageing James caan Edgar is talking to whilst enjoying a beer? Just a thought.Would have loved to had that second Back-stage pass you had at the stage door. Best regards Colin South Wales GB. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27136 Re: Rainers pictures. Rainer Rutka Wed 5/23/2001 3 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Mon May 21, 2001 7:11 pm Subject: Matthews intro to TD. Excellent stuff matthew.Good track mixture and a great cover. Best regards Colin. From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Mon May 21, 2001 10:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Intro to TD Hi I got a few people interested in TD with Edgar Froeses soloalbum Stuntman, so maybe a track or two from that album in there as well. I know its not TD, but it apparently had a strong effect on people. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Sawyer To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Intro to TD A friend and I have been trying to produce the best introductory compilation, going chronologically, and this is what we came up with. (We started with one cdr and ended up filling four!). Volume 1: 1) Prime Time 2) Ultima Thule part 1 3) White Clouds 4) Phaedra (Live 1990) 5) Ricochet part 1 6) Stratosfear 7) Cherokee Lane 8) Thru Metamorphic Rocks 9) Tangram set 2 10) Horns of Doom 11) Kiew Mission 12) Exit 13) Beach Scene 14) Scrap Yard 15) Diamonds and Dust 16) Calymba Caly 17) Moorland 18) Logos Red Part Volume 2: 1) The Comfort Zone 2) Mojave Plan 3) White Eagle 4) No Mans Land 5) Hyperborea 6) Poland 7) Rare Bird 8) Hyde Park 9) Central Park 10) Song of the Whale Part 1 11) Dolphin Dance 12) Canyon Voices 13) Alchemy of the Heart 14) Livemiles Green Trail part 15) Cat Scan 17) Melrose (live) 18) Timesquare 19) Comets Figure Head 20) Astrophobia (Red Supernova Mix) Check out the cover for volume one here: http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdcomp.htm Any feedback welcome! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue May 22, 2001 5:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Intro to TD very cool cover... j.gordon --- Matthew Sawyer wrote: > A friend and I have been trying to produce the best introductory compilation, > going chronologically, > and this is what we came up with. (We started with one cdr and ended up > filling > four!). > > Volume 1: > 1) Prime Time > 2) Ultima Thule part 1 > 3) White Clouds > 4) Phaedra (Live 1990) > 5) Ricochet part 1 > 6) Stratosfear > 7) Cherokee Lane > 8) Thru Metamorphic Rocks > 9) Tangram set 2 > 10) Horns of Doom > 11) Kiew Mission > 12) Exit > 13) Beach Scene > 14) Scrap Yard > 15) Diamonds and Dust > 16) Calymba Caly > 17) Moorland > 18) Logos Red Part > > Volume 2: > 1) The Comfort Zone > 2) Mojave Plan > 3) White Eagle > 4) No Mans Land > 5) Hyperborea > 6) Poland > 7) Rare Bird > 8) Hyde Park > 9) Central Park > 10) Song of the Whale Part 1 > 11) Dolphin Dance > 12) Canyon Voices > 13) Alchemy of the Heart > 14) Livemiles Green Trail part > 15) Cat Scan > 17) Melrose (live) > 18) Timesquare > 19) Comets Figure Head > 20) Astrophobia (Red Supernova Mix) > > Check out the cover for volume one here: > > http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdcomp.htm > > Any feedback welcome! > > > Maff > ________________________________________ > http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ > http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue May 22, 2001 9:07 am Subject: Rainer's Pics My personal favorite pic is the one with the man standing next to a woman in a white t-shirt. She is clearly assuming the stance of the long suffering Em spouse. I know. I've seen it in my wife.... This stance is clearly stating several things... 1) 'You OWE me for this' 2) 'You call this music'? 3)'Fricking fracking rizzm razzm mumble grrrrrrr.' 4) 'What have I done to deserve this'? Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue May 22, 2001 5:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Intro to TD On Mon, 21 May 2001 22:18:21 -0700 (PDT) 'j.gordon' writes: >>Volume 1: >>1) Prime Time >> >>Volume 2: >>1) The Comfort Zone I don't recall ever having encountered these titles before. What are they from? Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27129 Re: Intro to TD Matthew Sawyer Tue 5/22/2001 2 KB 27130 Re: Intro to TD Jens Kilian Tue 5/22/2001 3 KB 27132 Re: Intro to TD Greg Tue 5/22/2001 3 KB 27134 TD's Re mixing (Re: [tadream] Intro to TD) PENFOLD Tue 5/22/2001 3 KB 27133 Re: Intro to TD Sean Montgomery Tue 5/22/2001 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue May 22, 2001 1:33 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Intro to TD > From: Matthew Sawyer [mailto:matthewsawyer@c...] > A friend and I have been trying to produce the best introductory > compilation, > going chronologically, > and this is what we came up with. (We started with one cdr and What? No 'Journey Through a Burning Brain'?! What about 'Circulation of Events'? - jim From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue May 22, 2001 12:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Intro to TD From: > > >>Volume 1: > >>1) Prime Time > >> > >>Volume 2: > >>1) The Comfort Zone > > I don't recall ever having encountered these titles before. > What are they from? > > Steven Feldman From Dream Mixes 3. Prime Time has some similaries to Silver Scale and The Comfort Zone is a remix of Logos. Maff ________________________________________ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ From: Jens Kilian Date: Tue May 22, 2001 12:23 pm Subject: Re: Intro to TD Matthew Sawyer wrote: > > Check out the cover for volume one here: > > > > http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdcomp.htm IMHO, you should offer your services to TDI. Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Tue May 22, 2001 3:33 pm Subject: Beijing & London Hello I forward this message on behalf of a friend of mine, who has no internet access: 'Exclusive Offer: KLAUS SCHULZE:- NEW MILLENIUM NEW BEIJING / STOMU YAMASHTA'S GO LIVE IN LONDON 1976 (limited CDR release in an edition of 20 numbered copies only) Track 1: New Millenium New Beijing (9:12) Track 2: Joe Cocker (38:59) Track 3: Stomu Yamashta's Go (19:19) Track 4: King Biscuit Close (1:13) Track 5: King Biscuit Promo (1:06) NOTE: Track 1 is from direct CCTV broadcast of Beijing's 'New Millenium New Beijing' laser light show on 1st January 2001. Music is at times interrupted by TV station narrators but excellent music - only pity is too short... Tracks 2 to 5 are from the very rare King Biscuit Flower Hour program aired on December 11, 1988, of which track 3 is from Go's (inc. Klaus Schulze) performance at Royal Albert Hall in London on May 29, 1976. This possibly exclusive London material is similar to the Go performance in Paris (both official LP and boot) but more nice-sounding.' Offer is on a first-come-first-served basis. If interested, please contact me off-list for reservation and details. Regards Jeffrey From: 'Greg' Date: Tue May 22, 2001 3:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Intro to TD From: http://www.dreammixes.com/dm3.html 'Again, we find Jerome and Edgar Froese reconstructing and deconstructing their own compositions, instead of passing the job on to others for possibly mediocre results - the popularity of the first two albums has proven them right in taking this approach. The third time round incorporates a more versatile mixture than ever, featuring not only recent tunes but also all- time classics from the earlier years, plus the one or other surprise, all of them being given the 'club treatment'. Instead of merely adding new rhythms or layers, the original compositions were used as a starting point for creativity, there by creating something new rather than a variation on the old.' I guess this is the reason that TD does their own mixes as they believe anyone else would do a lackluster job of remixing. The last sentence in regards to remixing sounds very familiar with the techniques The Orb uses in that the original is used only for samples and as a starting point for something new. I seem to like remixes not done by the original artist - there is a sort of critique involved when you involve another artist in your composition. They can say 'hey this part isn't working, or I can take this out or add this and change that.. ect.' I can at least credit TD for taking the less taveled path in doing their own remixes. I just hope it's more than just an issue with making the biggest buck. Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27134 TD's Re mixing (Re: [tadream] Intro to TD) PENFOLD Tue 5/22/2001 3 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue May 22, 2001 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Intro to TD Matthew Sawyer wrote: > A friend and I have been trying to produce the best introductory compilation, > going chronologically I've been wanting to do my own 'Best of TD' set for a while now, so I'm curious to see the tracklistings that you all are choosing for your own compilations. Matt, I like much of what you've chosen...but of course I would also have made some different choices. Given the extent of TDs catalogue, even picking 4 discs full of stuff is going to produce endless differences of opinion about what should go in (like, where's the first 7 minutes of Tangram Part One? hee hee!). My own strategy will be to include as much selection as possible, which will mean perfroming edits on many tracks. Call me a heretic... -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: PENFOLD Date: Tue May 22, 2001 4:45 pm Subject: TD's Re mixing (Re: [tadream] Intro to TD) At 01.05.21 20:53, Greg wrote: >From: http://www.dreammixes.com/dm3.html > >'Again, we find Jerome and Edgar Froese reconstructing and deconstructing >their own >compositions, instead of passing the job on to others for possibly mediocre >results - the popularity of the first two albums has proven them right in >taking this approach. The third time round incorporates a more versatile >mixture than ever, featuring not only recent tunes but also all- time >classics from the earlier years, plus the one or other surprise, all of them >being given the 'club treatment'. Instead of merely adding new rhythms or >layers, the original compositions were used as a starting point for >creativity, there by creating something new rather than a variation on the >old.' > >I guess this is the reason that TD does their own mixes as they believe >anyone else would do a lackluster job of remixing. The same reasoning DEVO used when making E-Z Listening (aka Elevator Music, Muzak) versions of their own songs. They figured that their own music would eventually be perverted into sappy musical wallpaper, they might as well do it themselves! Believe me I've heard some bad re-arrangements while shopping. How bad? Muzak'd renditions of Madonna's 'Like A Virgin' and Prince's 'When Doves Cry' BTW: CDnow's got my copy of DM3 en route to my mailbox as of 0105.21 Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: Michael Jean Date: Tue May 22, 2001 10:33 pm Subject: Spacecraft List member Brian Kirby and I met up in Philadelphia this weekend for one of The Gatherings concerts hosted by Chuck Van Zyl, for a concert/cd release by the group Spacecraft. The concert was very enjoyable and featured Giles Reaves on synth. I heard that Free System Projekt is scheduled for the Fall. Hope to see some of you there. For more info see http://www.starsend.org/gatherings.html MJ From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed May 23, 2001 7:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Rainers pictures. On Mon, 21 May 2001, Colin Jouxson wrote: > Hello Rainer. I would just like to say your pictures are very good. Thanks. The originals are much better. The versions for the website are edited. > What ever happened to the one of Heiko,duncan,john,glynn and myself. > I was wearing the seven letters T/SHIRT. You took it outside the pub. OK, I found it. I'll include it onto the site ASAP. > Could that be an ageing James caan Edgar is talking to whilst enjoying > a beer? Just a thought.Would have loved to had that second Back-stage > pass you had at the stage door. I got a press- and a backstage (after show party) pass. But I got problems while I wanted to get in after the show. The guards from the Shepherds Bush didn't accept the passes! In to the lucky end I got the permission to get in. :-) Bye. Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed May 23, 2001 1:58 pm Subject: [tadream] Photo in Harveys Hi all, Just got the film developed which included one of the photos that were taken in Harveys. Those of you who didn't venture downstairs to the quieter bar in the basement can now see who you missed :-) I apologise to those of you who are not named (a combination of a bad memory and meeting so many people at once), if you recognise yourself or anyone who is not named please get in touch and I will add you to the list. Here's the link: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/TDfans.html Cheers Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27151 Re: Photo in Harveys gnmorgan@b... Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB 27315 Re: Photo in Harveys D.Nigbur@r... Sat 6/2/2001 2 KB From: Alexander Bjelke Date: Tue May 22, 2001 8:10 pm Subject: record ra stream Hi, Is it possible to record a .ra stream (like the Shepherds Bush concert)? regards, Alexander From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed May 23, 2001 6:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Wanna be's Well, after traversing through a hot barren desert landscape by foot for seven days and seven nights, mind you, all up hill and without water too, I've returned to find that my sense of humor has gotten me in trouble once again. 8-/ My apologies to you Heiko, since I have offended you, for none was intended. Are we still Pergamon buds, Heiko? 8-) Also, as it appears that you have been offended by being 'labeled' as among the 'wanna be's', I have amended and elevated you to the status, walking and breathing among some of the big dogs here. All officially documented and stamped in my book of course. You see, I'm not such a terrible person! But don't go asking my wife, just because I didn't take Mind Reading 101 in my college days.... geeez! 8-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:45 AM Subject: [tadream] Wanna be's > > > > Atleast we got to see pictures of a couple of the big dogs > > there, [Klaus and Duncan] and a couple wanna be's [Heiko H. and Heiko N.] > > 8-) > > Frank, > I wouldn't call myself a big dog, but getting labeled as a 'wanna be' really > wasn't nice. > > Heiko H. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27142 Live (off topic) Matthew Stringer Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB 27146 Re: Live (off topic) john@p... Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Wed May 23, 2001 7:34 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] record ra stream > Is it possible to record a .ra stream (like the Shepherds Bush concert)? > > regards, > Alexander Use Streambox VCR 1.0 beta 2 Best whishes, Glenn Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27141 Re: SV: [tadream] record ra stream Richard F Wed 5/23/2001 3 KB From: Richard F Date: Wed May 23, 2001 10:46 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] record ra stream Where is it available from? >Use Streambox VCR 1.0 beta 2 > >Best whishes, Glenn >Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com >Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de >Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Richard F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Matthew Stringer Date: Thu May 24, 2001 8:25 am Subject: Live (off topic) I got to see the Ozrics again last night! They are fast becomming my favorite live band, completely full on and no miming in sight!! Matt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27146 Re: Live (off topic) john@p... Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Thu May 24, 2001 9:07 am Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] record ra stream > Where is it available from? I think you can download Streambox from here http://w1.463.telia.com/~u46307158/extfaq/software/sbvcr.zip Best whishes, Glenn Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27147 Re: SV: SV: [tadream] record ra stream Richard F Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Thu May 24, 2001 9:26 am Subject: re: Wanna Be's (Sedated) A long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Frank said: >Well, after traversing through a hot >barren desert landscape by foot for >seven days and seven nights, mind you, >all up hill and without water too,..... I hope you took along a copy of Atem. There's no better music for desert trudging. > I've returned to find that my sense of > humor has gotten me in trouble once >again. 8-/ I've been drinking Russian 'tater juice and listening to the Sex Pistols for the past 3 hours. You can imagine who/what my sense of humor has offended. >Also, as it appears that you >have been >offended by being 'labeled' >as among >the 'wanna be's', I have >amended and >elevated you to the status, >walking and >breathing among some of >the big dogs >here. Heiko is definitely one of the big dogs in my opinion. His web site has been invaluable. mike (a never will be) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu May 24, 2001 8:36 am Subject: The 1st DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG CD on eBAY For those who are interested, I'm selling my copy of the 1st DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG CD on eBAY. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1433426975 is where you'll find it. Steven Feldman From: john@p... Date: Thu May 24, 2001 11:45 am Subject: Re: Live (off topic) --- In tadream@y..., Matthew Stringer wrote: > I got to see the Ozrics again last night! Rats! I forgot, and missed the Oxford gig. Must aim for London. > They are fast becomming my favorite live band, completely full on > and no miming in sight!! A few years ago I was close enough to the front of the stage to stick my head in Jumping Jon's monitors, and hear what he was *really* doing with his flute. It didn't bear much resemblance to what was coming out of the PA. Or anything else for that matter. But I guess he's a special case, depending on that evenings 'chemical balance'. jc From: Richard F Date: Thu May 24, 2001 1:54 pm Subject: Re: SV: SV: [tadream] record ra stream >I think you can download Streambox from here >http://w1.463.telia.com/~u46307158/extfaq/software/sbvcr.zip Thanks -- Richard F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu May 24, 2001 4:19 pm Subject: RE: Subject: Live (off topic) From: Matthew Stringer >I got to see the Ozrics again last night! They are fast becomming my favorite live band, completely full on and no miming in sight!!< How's the new drummer? I'm really bummed they didn't make it to california last year nor in February this year as promised....hmm certain parallels to TD in that regard, no? Lessee what happens stateside in October. --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27210 Re: Subject: Live (off topic) Matthew Stringer Fri 5/25/2001 3 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu May 24, 2001 4:29 pm Subject: 1st DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG CD on eBAY: sold in 7 hours flat Holy crap, somebody snapped it up using the Buy It Now feature in just 7 hours flat: for $95.00! I hadn't realized that this CD was that desirable! Steven Feldman On Thu, 24 May 2001 04:36:54 -0400 scfeldman@j... writes: > For those who are interested, I'm selling my copy > of the 1st DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG CD on eBAY. > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1433426975 > is where you'll find it. > > Steven Feldman > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in > London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27181 Re: 1st DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG CD on eBAY: sold in Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chal Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu May 24, 2001 5:28 pm Subject: DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG: original or reissue? Hi All, Was there ever a reissue of the first DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG CD? And if so, how does one tell the difference between the original CD and the reissue? I just sold a copy of this CD on eBAY to an overseas bidder and I want to make sure that I have the genuine article before the transaction takes place and the item is mailed. A scan of the front and back of the CD is at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1433426975 -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'I remember someone coming up to me at work when I was listening to Music From The Hearts of Space--all concerned because the music was stuck, that it was playing the same thing over and over and over. My explanation that the piece was slowly evolving did not convince the skeptic.' -- Doug Daughtry , Space Music mailing list, 9/11/98 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27152 Re: DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG: original or reissue? Joel S. Mullen Thu 5/24/2001 4 KB 27155 Re: DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG: original or reissue? scfeldman@j... Thu 5/24/2001 5 KB 27203 Re: DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG: original or reissue? Marcel Engels Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27179 Re: DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG: original or reissue? Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chal Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB 27202 Re: DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG: original or reissue? vic rek Fri 5/25/2001 3 KB 27229 Re: DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG: original or reissue? Michael A Jean Sat 5/26/2001 4 KB From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Thu May 24, 2001 5:38 pm Subject: Re: Photo in Harveys Back row with red hair/glasses and wearing combat trousers is me... Gary. http://www.gnmorgan.btinternet.co.uk --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > Hi all, > > Just got the film developed which included one of the photos that were taken > in Harveys. Those of you who didn't venture downstairs to the quieter bar > in the basement can now see who you missed :-) > > I apologise to those of you who are not named (a combination of a bad memory > and meeting so many people at once), if you recognise yourself or anyone who > is not named please get in touch and I will add you to the list. > > Here's the link: > > http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/TDfans.html > > Cheers > > Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27315 Re: Photo in Harveys D.Nigbur@r... Sat 6/2/2001 2 KB From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Thu May 24, 2001 5:51 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG: original or reissue? Yes it was re-issued, but on the 'world' label and it has a totally different cover. I can scan it in and e-mail it if you want, let me know off-list. On Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:28 PM, scfeldman@j... [SMTP:scfeldman@j...] wrote: > Hi All, > Was there ever a reissue of the first DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG > CD? And if so, how does one tell the difference between the > original CD and the reissue? I just sold a copy of this CD on > eBAY to an overseas bidder and I want to make sure that I have > the genuine article before the transaction takes place and the > item is mailed. A scan of the front and back of the CD is at > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1433426975 > > -- Steven Feldman > > + + + + + + + > 'I remember someone coming up to me at work when I was listening to Music > From The Hearts of Space--all concerned because the music was stuck, that > it was playing the same thing over and over and over. My explanation that > the piece was slowly evolving did not convince the skeptic.' > -- Doug Daughtry , Space Music mailing list, 9/11/98 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:07 pm Subject: Real Audio webcast Okay, who's tuned in for the webcast? BTW....they're playing 'The Comfort Zone' as pre-show music, and admittedly, it's not too bad. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27154 Re: Real Audio webcast Antonio Nunes Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB 27159 Re: Real Audio webcast Lasse Gustafsson Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB 27156 Real Audio webcast Rainer Rutka Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB 27157 Re: Real Audio webcast Sean Montgomery Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB 27158 Re: Real Audio webcast Antonio Nunes Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB 27163 Re: Real Audio webcast Rainer Rutka Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB 27160 Re: Real Audio webcast Sean Montgomery Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB 27167 Re: Real Audio webcast Lasse Gustafsson Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB 27172 Re: Real Audio webcast goozer@a... Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Sean Montgomery wrote: > > Okay, who's tuned in for the webcast? The usual suspects... and I'm one of them :-) Antonio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27159 Re: Real Audio webcast Lasse Gustafsson Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG: original or reissue? Thanks for the info. I didn't want to accidentally gyp the buyer. I mean, I think the music is pretty bad, so I didn't want to ad insult to injury for the poor guy. Steven Feldman On Thu, 24 May 2001 12:51:19 -0500 'Joel S. Mullen' writes: > Yes it was re-issued, but on the 'world' label and it has a totally > different cover. I can scan it in and e-mail it if you want, let > me > know off-list. > > On Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:28 PM, scfeldman@j... > [SMTP:scfeldman@j...] wrote: > > Hi All, > > Was there ever a reissue of the first DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG > > CD? And if so, how does one tell the difference between the > > original CD and the reissue? I just sold a copy of this CD on > > eBAY to an overseas bidder and I want to make sure that I have > > the genuine article before the transaction takes place and the > > item is mailed. A scan of the front and back of the CD is at > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1433426975 > > > > -- Steven Feldman > > > > > + + + + + + > + > > 'I remember someone coming up to me at work when I was listening > to Music > > From The Hearts of Space--all concerned because the music was > stuck, that > > it was playing the same thing over and over and over. My > explanation that > > the piece was slowly evolving did not convince the skeptic.' > > > -- Doug Daughtry , Space Music mailing list, > 9/11/98 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in > London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in > London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27203 Re: DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG: original or reissue? Marcel Engels Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu May 24, 2001 5:06 pm Subject: Real Audio webcast On Thu, 24 May 2001, Sean Montgomery wrote: > Okay, who's tuned in for the webcast? > BTW....they're playing 'The Comfort Zone' as pre-show music, and admittedly, > it's not too bad. .... and who's recording the strem? I wanted but I got (get) too much timeouts with my realplayer :-((((( Please contact me if somebody was able to record it in a good quality! Rainer rainer@k... --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Antonio Nunes wrote: > Sean Montgomery wrote: > > > > Okay, who's tuned in for the webcast? > > The usual suspects... and I'm one of them :-) Are you still getting the stream? Mine died just as the broadcast was scheduled to begin, and now the wheel just goes round and round as it tries to rebuffer. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Sean Montgomery wrote: > > Are you still getting the stream? Mine died just as the broadcast was scheduled > to begin, and now the wheel just goes round and round as it tries to rebuffer. It's OK here. Sound not bad, and good image. Try this on the Real Player: View -> Preferences -> Transport -> Auto Configure. Good luck! Antonio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27163 Re: Real Audio webcast Rainer Rutka Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Tuned on - an now listening interesting, brand new track called 'rebuffering' for about 10 minutes. I've been able to hear a complete half minute of concert. *Really P..d off* -- ------------------------------------------------------ - This page is best viewed with computer and monitor - ------------------------------------------------------ From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Antonio Nunes wrote: > View -> Preferences -> Transport -> Auto Configure. Well, I tried that...now my connection is just timing out. Drat! -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27167 Re: Real Audio webcast Lasse Gustafsson Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB 27172 Re: Real Audio webcast goozer@a... Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Sean Montgomery wrote: > > Well, I tried that...now my connection is just timing out. Drat! Now it stopped here too, and my Real Player says I may be experiencing network problems :-( Antonio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27162 Re: Real Audio webcast neil.perryman@v... Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB 27166 Re: Real Audio webcast neil.perryman@v... Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB 27208 Re: Real Audio webcast wyslannik@y... Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB From: neil.perryman@v... Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:31 pm Subject: Re: Real Audio webcast Exactly the same problem here - I caught about 2 mins of Cat Scan (and you could see someone's hands actually moving over a keyboard!!!) and then - rebuffering for eternity and time-out problems ever since. I think they've screwed up. Neil http://www.eclipsecafe.com From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu May 24, 2001 5:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast On Thu, 24 May 2001, Antonio Nunes wrote: > Sean Montgomery wrote: > > Are you still getting the stream? Mine died just as the broadcast was scheduled > > to begin, and now the wheel just goes round and round as it tries to rebuffer. > It's OK here. Sound not bad, and good image. > Try this on the Real Player: > View -> Preferences -> Transport -> Auto Configure. You lucky guy! I have no sound and no pictur! Got 30 seconds of the concert (sound only) and now I'm reloading (connecting....) since 10 minutes. :-( (I hope somebody gets it recorded!) Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Phil White' Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Is anyone actually managing to hear and see the TDream webcast ??? I have a cable modem and so far I've seen a maximum of 5 seconds before I get 'net congestion' Also Pi--ed Off Phil White ( UK ) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Lasse Gustafsson' To: Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast > Tuned on - an now listening interesting, brand new track called > 'rebuffering' for about 10 minutes. I've been able to hear a complete > half minute of concert. *Really P..d off* > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > - This page is best viewed with computer and monitor - > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Well, at least they have provided us with some pictures to look at. This is disappointing, given that I won't be able to tune in for the next broadcasts. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27171 Re: Real Audio webcast Lasse Gustafsson Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB From: neil.perryman@v... Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:34 pm Subject: Re: Real Audio webcast Just went to the homepage of inet tv (http://inet-tv.net/) and it's reporting a server hang-up. Maybe the server is clinically depressed or just hates Music from the Heart of Space type music. Anyway, could it be that 1000's of TD fans crashed the server??? Neil http://www.eclipsecafe.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27208 Re: Real Audio webcast wyslannik@y... Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Whoah - nice to know that you're been even virtually kicked out of the concert. I had excellent plan to record music today on DAT and make concert video tomorrow with HiFi VHS... *disappointed* (c) Max Zorin in 'Fifth Element' Still got three wishes left of four. -- ------------------------------------------------------ - This page is best viewed with computer and monitor - ------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27172 Re: Real Audio webcast goozer@a... Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB From: neil.perryman@v... Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:37 pm Subject: Real Audio Concert restart? Looks like they are trying to restart the webcast after the server crashed. Fingers crossed... Neil htt://www.eclipsecafe.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Ha ha....I finally got the stream again, and it's reporting that 'the concert starts in a few minutes', while playing the Comfort Zone again. I guess they've reset it? -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27194 [D: Studio] Dream Mixes III Feldon Feldon Thu 5/24/2001 7 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast The webcast of Tdream appears to be re-starting..suggest anyone who has given up tries again as this looks and sounds more promising...! ATB Phil From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast I'VE GOT CONTACT @816 - now for a complete minute of concert and coming smoothly in... -- ------------------------------------------------------ - This page is best viewed with computer and monitor - ------------------------------------------------------ From: goozer@a... Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:39 pm Subject: Re: Real Audio webcast This is *EXACTLY* what happened with the Bush 1 Webcast! I guess they picked up the server from the guys who tried it the first time (can't remember the name of the company.) I'm on a T3 line here at work and was dropped exactly at 1pm CST. What a steaming pile.... goozer From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Real Audio webcast neil.perryman@v... wrote: > > Exactly the same problem here - I caught about 2 mins of Cat Scan > (and you could see someone's hands actually moving over a > keyboard!!!) and then - rebuffering for eternity and time-out > problems ever since. I think they've screwed up. Yes. According to the Inet TV homepage (http://inet-tv.net) their RealMedia server crashed for an unknown reason!!! But it seems they managed to re-start it, and they are broadcasting again. Antonio From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Well well...it's working. Woo hoo! -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27175 Re: Real Audio webcast Lasse Gustafsson Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB 27178 Re: Real Audio webcast Rainer Rutka Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Thu May 24, 2001 7:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Damn, got bad drop in the cat scan. Thou, who manages to record complete concert, let us rest to know. -- ------------------------------------------------------ - This page is best viewed with computer and monitor - ------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27178 Re: Real Audio webcast Rainer Rutka Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB From: veine@v... Date: Thu May 24, 2001 7:06 pm Subject: Real Audio webcast I sure hope someone gets a recording of this concert because I can't between being thrown off, it's rebuffering forever, and on top of that, my realplayer just died!! I've heard maybe 15 mins spread out over the time.... I'm on a multiple T3 connection, and *still* getting the rebuffering :( ~Veine -- Get your firstname@l... email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27182 Re: Real Audio webcast C. Chambers Thu 5/24/2001 3 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Thu May 24, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast If anyone would like to chat while watching the webcast, you're all welcome to join us here: Irc server: ecafe2.workstation.org.uk Port: 7000 #coffee_bar Maff ________________________________________ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Sean Montgomery' To: Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast > Well well...it's working. Woo hoo! > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu May 24, 2001 6:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast On Thu, 24 May 2001, Lasse Gustafsson wrote: > Damn, got bad drop in the cat scan. > Thou, who manages to record complete concert, let us rest to know. Yes and I'll include him in my morning prayer :-) Just heard 'Comets F.H.' what a great track it is :-))) Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Thu May 24, 2001 7:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG: original or reissue? What? I love that album. All is good with the world when I listen to it... the only album on the FAX label that I like better is _Recurring Dreams of an Urban Myth_, but then again, maybe KS and Pete Namlook are just not your cup of tea... Just to confirm, yes, that is the original issue. The reissue has a number like AW001 or something like that...and the background is white... scfeldman@j... said: > Thanks for the info. I didn't want to accidentally gyp the buyer. > I mean, I think the music is pretty bad, so I didn't want to ad insult > to injury for the poor guy. -- Face down in the lap of luxury, and nowhere to GO but DOWN... :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu May 24, 2001 7:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast I know that I should really save my comments until the end of the show, but I can't resist complaining about the addition of the bongos on Force Majeure. I mean - what's up with that? It makes it sound like two different records being played at the same time. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Thu May 24, 2001 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 1st DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG CD on eBAY: sold in 7 hours flat Yeah, really, I should get the reissue and sell mine, just to raise some funds...anyone want it? Email me privately. You guys get first dibs. US$100 ppd. in North America. scfeldman@j... said: > Holy crap, somebody snapped it up using the Buy It > Now feature in just 7 hours flat: for $95.00! I hadn't > realized that this CD was that desirable! -- Face down in the lap of luxury, and nowhere to GO but DOWN... :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu May 24, 2001 7:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Real Audio webcast My damn Stream VCR keeps crashing...what link are you guys going to? I have tried both a .sml and the .ram links. > -----Original Message----- > From: veine@v... [mailto:veine@v...] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:07 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Real Audio webcast > > > I sure hope someone gets a recording of this concert because I > can't between being thrown off, it's rebuffering > forever, and on top of that, my realplayer just died!! I've > heard maybe 15 mins spread out over the time.... I'm on a > multiple T3 connection, and *still* getting the rebuffering > ~Veine > > -- > Get your firstname@l... email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Date: Thu May 24, 2001 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Pure Overload ... Sigh :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: 'C. Chambers' To: Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Real Audio webcast > My damn Stream VCR keeps crashing...what link are you guys going to? I have > tried both a .sml and the .ram links. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: veine@v... [mailto:veine@v...] > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:07 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] Real Audio webcast > > > > > > I sure hope someone gets a recording of this concert because I > > can't between being thrown off, it's rebuffering > > forever, and on top of that, my realplayer just died!! I've > > heard maybe 15 mins spread out over the time.... I'm on a > > multiple T3 connection, and *still* getting the rebuffering > > > ~Veine > > > > -- > > Get your firstname@l... email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: veine@v... Date: Thu May 24, 2001 7:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Real Audio webcast I was using the .ram file, but now I've been rebuffering 4 times the last ten, hearing about 10 secs inbetween each.. I give up and hopes that someone out there gets a recording that is fairly good.. I just get more depressed hearing a second or two of what I really want to hear Best of luck to you guys to record ~Veine On Thu, 24 May 2001 15:20:48 -0400 'C. Chambers' wrote: >My damn Stream VCR keeps crashing...what link are you guys going to? I have >tried both a .sml and the .ram links. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: veine@v... [mailto:veine@v...] >> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:07 PM >> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [tadream] Real Audio webcast >> >> >> I sure hope someone gets a recording of this concert because I >> can't between being thrown off, it's rebuffering >> forever, and on top of that, my realplayer just died!! I've >> heard maybe 15 mins spread out over the time.... I'm on a >> multiple T3 connection, and *still* getting the rebuffering > >> ~Veine >> >> -- >> Get your firstname@l... email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su >> >> ---------------------------------------------------~-~ >> Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >> Details at http://www.tadream.net >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: >> http://www.johannesschmoelling.de >> Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de >Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Get your firstname@l... email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu May 24, 2001 7:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast 'C. Chambers' wrote: > > My damn Stream VCR keeps crashing...what link are you guys going to? I have > tried both a .sml and the .ram links. http://inet-tv.net/inet/ramfiles/td2001.ram Now playing the Livemiles track. Antonio From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Thu May 24, 2001 7:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Live (off topic) There are still tickets, I got two yesterday from ticketweb. > I got to see the Ozrics again last night! > > Rats! I forgot, and missed the Oxford gig. Must aim for London. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27187 Re: Live (off topic) Phil Wingfield Thu 5/24/2001 3 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Thu May 24, 2001 7:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Live (off topic) Glad to hear it, I'm off to see them at the Scala next Thursday. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Stringer To: Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: [tadream] Live (off topic) > I got to see the Ozrics again last night! > > They are fast becomming my favorite live band, completely full on and no > miming in sight!! > > Matt > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri May 25, 2001 3:36 am Subject: Webcast Quite well mixed and edited film isn't it? Hopefully TD might consider releasing it on video or DVD at a later date. Had no problems here so far. The sound keeps altering in timbre every few minutes, but both sound and vision have brought back memories of a memorable night. Can't wait for 'Longing For Cashba'! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri May 25, 2001 3:37 am Subject: Webcast audio I've got Wavelab running to record the audio, but due to the shifts in sound, I don't think it's going to be a worthwhile recording. - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri May 25, 2001 3:44 am Subject: Recording webcast Does anyone have any suggestions on how to record the video image of the webcast? Which software would someone need? Thanks, - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27191 Re: Recording webcast Rainer Rutka Thu 5/24/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu May 24, 2001 8:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Recording webcast The Sony Topping Out Finale !!!! YEA :-)))))) Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Thu May 24, 2001 9:03 pm Subject: TD LIVE. Hey hello all. Try Wavelab for 12,05,01? Tangerine dream?UNTOUCHABLE. From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu May 24, 2001 9:08 pm Subject: rubicon revisited ??? So I've been reading digests of the orb mailing list and someone persists in saying that rubicon revisited was mixed by LX paterson of the orb--is this true? any ideas? --tei np: guess _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Feldon Feldon Date: Thu May 24, 2001 9:49 pm Subject: [D: Studio] Dream Mixes III If my first assumption--that Jerome produced Dream Mixes III almost entirely himself-- is true, then we need to give Jerome a lot more credit than he has been getting. Sure, he uses samples without adjusting frequencies and uses music cues so cookie-cutter, I've heard them on INFOMERCIALS, but I think Dream Mixes III delivers. Dream Mixes 2: Timesquare was a pretty weak release to me except for the title track. It seems as if DM1 was entirely Jerome and I loved it. DM2 seems like Edgar got his fingers in the pie and so it lost some of its edge. DM3 is about halfway between DM1 and DM2 energy-wise. Before I start my review, I must take objection to the quote 'Again, we find Jerome and Edgar Froese reconstructing and deconstructing their own compositions' (www.dream-mixes.de) frustratingly untrue. Tracks 4, 6, 8, and 9 not only were not composed by Jerome, I’d venture a guess that Chris, Peter, and Johannes had more compositional involvement than Herr Froese. I don’t know who TD’s copywriter is, but they are rather clueless. And it’s not a copyright issue, because the proper credits were given (for the most part) on Dream Roots and Antique Dreams. Johannes Schmoelling, Chris Franke, and Peter Baumann deserve more. Dream Mixes 3 is another adventure into the REAL past. Dream Mixes 1 + 2 went back a few years and remixed. Not a lot of rethinking to do. In fact, Dream Mixes 1 to me, is what Tyranny of Beauty should have been. The live versions of various old TD tracks from 1986 to present have been interesting and souped up, etc. Valentine Wheels has given people a taste (who missed the concerts + bootlegs) of what’s really happening live the last 14 years. But DM3 really opens the can of worms! Here we are, on a studio album, trying to rethink chunks of Encore, Logos, Poland, and the Thief soundtrack. Danger Will Robinson! Of course I was like a hawk watching to see where, if anywhere, DM3 would fail. With that, here’s my review. 1. Prime Time ­ I’ve been working ~70 hours a week lately, so my memory escapes me but this doesn’t seem to be to me a remix of anything recognizable. If I’m wrong, I’m sure someone will correct me. With that, this is a great track. 4AS. 2. Astrophobia ­ Minimalist remix of the Mars Polaris track. 3.5AS 3. Stereolight ­ One of the highlights of this album, a chillingly cool remix of Monolight from Encore. I love just about every bit of itl Sure it has a lot of new things, but whenever you’re starting to get distracted, it pulls you back with another Monolight snippet. 4AS 4. Diamonds & Dust ­ Nice remix of the Thief material. It contains a lot of sequences directly lifted, particularly the Horns of Doom looped melody line but reworked a bit. 3.5AS 5. Blue Spears ­ This is one of the weaker tracks, but even it has its moments. This is not remixed from anything that I can tell. There’s about 2 annoying minutes with a high pitched cha chha thingy. And the track doesn’t really evolve much. Another case of “if you’ve heard the first 2 minutes, you’ve heard the whole song” deal. 2.5AS 6. Meng Tian ­ You’ve seen my opinion on this before. I was shocked when this was the sample used on www.dream-mixes.de’s website as it totally undersells the disc. It’s arguably the worst track on the disc and certainly the most lifeless. 1AS 7. Girl on the Stairs ­ This is identical to the remix of White Eagle / Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe on the World Tour single. A nice remix at any rate. I prefer the not-so-remixed version that came out (forget the name). 3AS 8. The Spirit of the Czar ­ Probably my favorite track on this disc! A remix of the first ~7 minutes of “Poland”. I think they went into this remix with respect for the material. They could have really botched this job up, but instead they captured the military march feeling of the original music and pulled every awesome element of the old. The new sound morph/twist at 1:20-1:23 is totally new, but captures the same feeling as the original version on Poland. I’m a bit surprised that the dance version is actually a bit *slower* than the release but whatever works. All the melody lines have been saved, but beautiful new layers underneath. A case of Tangentization that works. I find myself humming the new lines of DM3 when I play the original. 4.5AS 9. The Comfort Zone ­ A strong point of this disc—the Logos “Wake Up” remix. Jerome clearly had fun doing this as it really grabs you. Very upbeat and fun track, and I have new respect for Jerome’s remixing abilities. You wouldn’t hear this in a club, but more on a TV show or movie as it’s way too upbeat for dancing in a club. I can’t help but smile at it’s cheery optimism. 4.5AS One cool thing about DM3 is that the out-tro of tracks 3, 7, and 8 are about 20 seconds of the original track untouched. So if you liked Dream Mixes 1, it’s time to preorder Dream Mixes 3! -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Sean Montgomery wrote: > > I know that I should really save my comments until the end of the show, but I can't > resist complaining about the addition of the bongos on Force Majeure. I mean - what's > up with that? It makes it sound like two different records being played at the same > time. Honestly I didn't find those bongos as bad as I was expecting. For me the guitar bits over 'Towards the evening star' were more disturbing. All in all, I enjoyed the webcast very much, and now I'm sure I will also enjoy DM3 which I've ordered yesterday. For the people who didn't manage to watch today's webcast, don't forget it will be repeated tomorrow, Saturday and Sunday. Antonio From: 'Harri Ikonen' Date: Thu May 24, 2001 11:00 pm Subject: The TD webcast *sigh* I wish someone invented a new protocol for webcasts which is based on TCP, not UDP (which Real/WM/whatever use). In TCP, the message packet is re-sent until it reaches its destination whereas UDP is more like 'don't care if it gets there, here's another packet'. Hopefully the server and network will work better tomorrow and not cause so many freezes/disconnects. Technical issues aside, well, it was another CD/DAT show. Edgar was probably playing the dreamy (or should I say sleepy) bridges while TDJ Rome was changing the discs/tapes :) Iris was (sorry!) a joke, she's got a long way to go before she becomes the next Neil Peart. I wasn't very fond of Gerald's guitar work either, especially when (apart of few bits every now and then) the only track he really got to play was the last encore. I don't know what Edgar & Jerome are thinking when they put up shows like this... I'd like to hear and see them play live, not just sit there like Kraftwerk's robots! I thought I'd never say this, but I'm actually glad I missed the concert. With all due respect, Harri NP: '3 hours live compilation of club hElium' webcast (Hi Ami!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27209 Re: The TD webcast Matthew Stringer Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri May 25, 2001 12:35 am Subject: Shepherd's Bush Show Now that the broadcast is done, I feel free to pass judgment. Nero's hand is extended....what will the ruling be? The crowd leans forward to see the thumb turn....down!!!! Boring, Nero says! Release the lions! Oh no!!!! Yeah, I know that the tinny sound, pixelated images and constantly crashing stream offered by RealAudio is no way to really judge a show...but I'm going to go out on a limb here and give this one a big yawn anyway. I saw and heard enough. I sometimes think back to 1986, when I used to push mix tapes of TD music on my friends, scour record stores for all of their releases, set the VCR to tape movies that they did soundtracks for...and when I grew a mustache and let my hair grow long, in an attempt to mimic Edgar's fashion sensibilities. How very far away those days seem. I look at my rack of 80-odd TD cds, and think about how I never listen to them. How I actually dislike most of the ones with that came after Melrose. If I hadn't been such a fanatic back in the beginning; if I hadn't come to define myself by my fanship of the band - well, I would have given up on them a long time ago. I feel like a traitor, coming on this list and saying: 'man, that show was boring'. But I have to call it like I see it. And I wonder, in fact, if I can even call myself a fan anymore. But enough navel-gazing. As far as the show is concerned, I don't know where to begin targeting my arrows. I guess I can begin with my biggest beef: musicianship. I know that many people go to a concert merely because they like a band and just want to be in the same room with them. Fair enough. That was why I saw TD in 1988 and 1992. But now that I'm older, I guess I've gotten a bit pickier. I want to see a performance. I want to see some passion in the music. I did not see that in the S.B. show. At all. Whether Edgar and Jerome actually played a note is irrelevant, because it all *sounded* pre-recorded. There was no actual 'playing', in the 'having fun, experimenting' sense of the word. Having a percussionist and guitarist is a good idea in theory, in that it provides the audience with something to look at. But having them just add half-assed flourishes over top of a recorded backing track defeats the purpose. There's no room for improvisation or spontaneity. Oh, I forgot, there was Iris' drum solo. But what was the point of that, exactly? Her bongo whacking has nothing to do with TDs musical style. And while Iris and Gerald are competent musicians, it's painfully obvious that they are just hired guns. They had no role in the composition of the music, and thus had no 'feel' for it. They just played the notes rather than offer new interpretations. I'm sure they were constrained by the fact that they had to work with machine-like efficiency to keep in time with the DAT tapes. Then there's the track selection. Comet's Figure Head, Cool at Heart, The Midnight Trail, Beauty of the Blast....snooze-ville! Bad choices! This is a show - entertain people! Move them, excite them! Even the upbeat pieces came off sounding rather blah. If you're going to do a dance remix, then make it danceable! Jerome should go to a Chemical Brothers show, and see how to really work a crowd. And I guess some of you like the Sony Topping Off Score, but I find it unremarkable in the extreme, and thus a really bizarre way to end a main set. You have to go out on a high note! And why do they keep playing Purple Haze? They play it as if it's one of their own songs or something. It's pretty sad that they save it for last too. A band with 30 years worth of material, and the last impression you get is their muzak-y cover of an old Jimmy Hendrix song. Why couldn't Edgar get off his stool and play Song of the Whale Part 2, or Cloudburst Flight? *That* would bring the house down. Anyway, I've pretty much decided that I won't bother going to see TD if they come to North America this year. I felt like I wasted my time watching them play for free! /flame retardant suit on -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri May 25, 2001 1:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] [D: Studio] Dream Mixes III I just picked up DM3 today and while I am most definitely and solidly in the Virgin years preference camp I really like what I've heard so far ..... I think this album suceeds where TD's other attempts at techno/(whatever subgenre) failed... This one is nicely balanced..... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Miles MacMillan' Date: Fri May 25, 2001 4:35 am Subject: Tournado artwork Hey folks, I'm just listening to my new Tangerine Dream CDs that I purchased from Heiko's auction. Thanks Heiko! I am wondering if anyone could scan me all of the pertinent artwork for the Tournado CD, including the tray case artwork and spine text, for my coverless copy? Please contact me off list if you can help me out. Thank you. Miles MacMillan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri May 25, 2001 1:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Errrm, would some nice soul please send the address for the webcast again? Thanks Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri May 25, 2001 2:23 am Subject: TD Home page I have tried several times to access the TD website, but it keeps telling me I am not authorized to visit this site. Is it me, or is anyone else having these troubles? Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27235 Re: TD Home page Kevin Robert Ball Sat 5/26/2001 3 KB From: vic rek Date: Fri May 25, 2001 4:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG: original or reissue? There is also a Russian 'gray market' release of the DSOM re-release. Also, there are two different Russian releases of DSOM 4 re-release - go figure? Vic 'Joel S. Mullen' wrote: > Yes it was re-issued, but on the 'world' label and it has a totally > different cover. I can scan it in and e-mail it if you want, let me > know off-list. > > On Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:28 PM, scfeldman@j... [SMTP:scfeldman@j...] wrote: > > Hi All, > > Was there ever a reissue of the first DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG > > CD? And if so, how does one tell the difference between the > > original CD and the reissue? I just sold a copy of this CD on > > eBAY to an overseas bidder and I want to make sure that I have > > the genuine article before the transaction takes place and the > > item is mailed. A scan of the front and back of the CD is at > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1433426975 > > > > -- Steven Feldman From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri May 25, 2001 6:05 am Subject: RE: [tadream] DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG: original or reissue? > From: scfeldman@j... [mailto:scfeldman@j...] > > Thanks for the info. I didn't want to accidentally gyp the buyer. > I mean, I think the music is pretty bad, so I didn't want to ad insult > to injury for the poor guy. I think the music is wonderful. I've got all of the Moog series (the original fax). Very nice sounds. It's got a bass and rhythm Edgar and Jerome and the Dream mixes can only dream of. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 25, 2001 6:42 am Subject: SBE Having read all the e-mails about the problems most of you had with the Shepherds Bush internet broadcast, does someone have a good recording of that show on CD-R? If yes please contact me off-list :-) I'm listening to the audience version of that show right now here in my office (it's very quiet here, guess most of the Germans are still lying drunk at home because of the Champion League football final on Wednesday ;-) Somehow the recording underlines my point of view that TD have lost most of the passion that used to make them so unique and great in the 70's and 80's. How I long for a classic sequencer line from Chris Franke! Heiko P.S.: hello to Frank, my Pergamon buddy! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27206 Re: SBE wyslannik@y... Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 25, 2001 7:08 am Subject: Re: SBE > I wrote: > How I long for a classic sequencer line from Chris Franke! But then again, 'the comfort zone' is great ~lol~ (guess I can't live without them ;-) Heiko From: wyslannik@y... Date: Fri May 25, 2001 7:20 am Subject: Re: SBE Hi ! --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Having read all the e-mails about the problems most of you had with the > Shepherds Bush internet broadcast, does someone have a good recording of > that show on CD-R? If yes please contact me off-list :-) Me too :). Anyone of you in UK recorded (taped) this concert than contact me offlist. Of course I have *something* for swap. > I'm listening to the audience version of that show right now here in my > office [...] Short question: what equipmenet have you used on show? Mini-tape rec. or MD-rec. or something ? Cheers Jakub From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 25, 2001 7:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: SBE > Short question: what equipmenet have you used on show? Mini-tape rec. > or MD-rec. or something ? It wasn't me who recorded the show (I was sitting next to him :-)..I think it was a MiniDisc recording..great sound quality. Heiko From: wyslannik@y... Date: Fri May 25, 2001 7:33 am Subject: Re: Real Audio webcast Hi! --- In tadream@y..., neil.perryman@v... wrote: > Just went to the homepage of inet tv (http://inet-tv.net/) and it's > reporting a server hang-up. Maybe the server is clinically depressed > or just hates Music from the Heart of Space type music. Anyway, could > it be that 1000's of TD fans crashed the server??? Yep! That is called Deny of Service attack :)))). TD-fans are 'hackers' :)))) BTW: My opinion about all RealAudio/Video streamings is: That sucks ! Why can't it be dowloadable, not streamed ? ....... > Neil Cheers Jakub From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri May 25, 2001 8:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The TD webcast On Friday 25 May 2001 00:00, you wrote: > *sigh* I wish someone invented a new protocol for webcasts which > is based on TCP, not UDP (which Real/WM/whatever use). In TCP, > the message packet is re-sent until it reaches its destination > whereas UDP is more like 'don't care if it gets there, here's > another packet'. You could do but it would be much slower, and of lower quality, this is the reason there isn't any error checking. Matt From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri May 25, 2001 8:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Subject: Live (off topic) I would say that the rhythm section isn't quiet a tight as before, but there really isn't much in it. Fantastic gig, I'm still grinning!! :) Matt On Thursday 24 May 2001 17:19, you wrote: > From: Matthew Stringer > > >I got to see the Ozrics again last night! > > They are fast becomming my favorite live band, completely full on and no > miming in sight!!< > > > How's the new drummer? I'm really bummed they didn't make it to california > last year nor in February this year as promised....hmm certain parallels to > TD in that regard, no? > > Lessee what happens stateside in October. > > --tei > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary > Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri May 25, 2001 10:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > Errrm, would some nice soul please send the address for the webcast again? http://inet-tv.net/ Next webcast will begin in about 1 hour's time. I wonder if they will also repeat yesterday's server hang-up ;-) Antonio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27212 Re: Real Audio webcast C. Chambers Fri 5/25/2001 4 KB 27213 Re: Real Audio webcast Lasse Gustafsson Fri 5/25/2001 3 KB 27225 Re: Real Audio webcast Matthew Stringer Fri 5/25/2001 5 KB 27226 Re: Real Audio webcast Richard F Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27227 Re: Real Audio webcast Lasse Gustafsson Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27283 Re: Real Audio webcast Lasse Gustafsson Wed 5/30/2001 2 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Fri May 25, 2001 1:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Has anyone else noticed how distorted this thing is...its almost like they 'brickwalled' all of the low-frequencies...I don't know if it is a recording issue, or the fact that real audio is trying to use every bit of dynamic range available, or even worse, the actual sound coming out of the PA was this muddy...it's making my head hurt...I am trying to record it but with all the dropouts and connection speed changes, I am probably wasting my time. Anybody want to pull together content and try to make a complete show? I will volunteer to put all the pieces together. I think we will have a much better chance of getting this in its entirety if we can pull together several sources from different people that are recording the show. You've heard of distributed networks, right? This is distributed recording sourcing...just a thought...if anyone wants to play let me know. I have now two partial recordings so I don't how much will actually be available...seems like I do rather well on the bridges, but all the actual songs go away. I expect this will be released officially anyway, sooner or later. Maybe we should ask Martin at TDI before we waste all our efforts. Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:ajogon@n...] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:55 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast > > > > > Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > > > Errrm, would some nice soul please send the address for the > webcast again? > > > http://inet-tv.net/ > Next webcast will begin in about 1 hour's time. I wonder if they will > also repeat yesterday's server hang-up ;-) > > Antonio > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27213 Re: Real Audio webcast Lasse Gustafsson Fri 5/25/2001 3 KB 27225 Re: Real Audio webcast Matthew Stringer Fri 5/25/2001 5 KB 27226 Re: Real Audio webcast Richard F Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27227 Re: Real Audio webcast Lasse Gustafsson Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27283 Re: Real Audio webcast Lasse Gustafsson Wed 5/30/2001 2 KB From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Fri May 25, 2001 1:45 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Real Audio webcast >Anybody want to pull together content and try to make a complete show? I >will volunteer to put all the pieces together. I think we will have a much >better chance of getting this in its entirety if we can pull together >several sources from different people that are recording the show. You've >heard of distributed networks, right? This is distributed recording >sourcing...just a thought...if anyone wants to play let me know. I have now >two partial recordings so I don't how much will actually be >available...seems like I do rather well on the bridges, but all the actual >songs go away. i TRY to record something useful. I've anyway got about 7 near-a-minute dropouts this far, so my recording in far from complete. I am recording the video also, but if some of you want me to make something to be sent over net, you have to be *really* enthusiasist. There is not much to look on tiny screenshot box... >I expect this will be released officially anyway, sooner or later. Maybe we >should ask Martin at TDI before we waste all our efforts. > >Craig At least someone, who has common sense and is still capable of creative thinking. I feel myself quite stupid trying to record this *thing*. One vote from me for asking TDI first. -- ------------------------------------------------------ - This page is best viewed with computer and monitor - ------------------------------------------------------ From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri May 25, 2001 2:01 pm Subject: SBE3/SSO/Solipse/RE: Subject: Live (off topic) Listening to the SBE3 webcast. Towards the Evening Star now. Not too bad for wake-up music-- the guitar and bongos seem to add some dynamics. Just wish I had known it was running now (my problem), I'd be running my MD and tape as my stream doesn't seem to have any buffering problems--fidelity issues aside--ha! With all this drumming on the webcastand the GONG in the background, it reminds me to finally ask, has anyone on this list seen StarSoundsOrchestra and is anyone going to solipse? http://www.solipse.com RE: Subject: Live (off topic) >Fantastic gig, I'm still grinning!! :) the wonder and the beauty of the awezrics--putting your ears between john's stage monitors is a treat Thanks to Edgar and inet-tv for the webcast. I like this TD concert better than the US shows I saw in '88 and '92.... Sign me up. --teiwaz sadly, gotta log off now--think I'll play Irvine 6/6/86 at work today--it's just not the same without M. Froese snapping away photos in front of me :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27236 Re: SBE3/SSO/Solipse/RE: Subject: Live (off topic DoKToR STRaNGe Sat 5/26/2001 2 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Fri May 25, 2001 2:55 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Real Audio webcast Hi all, Well I came in a bit late (at the start of 'Force Majeure') but got an uninterrupted 2 hours 20 minutes of concert... Shame about the frame rate of the images, and the tinny sound quality, but brought back some memories nevertheless. Anyone out there able to receive relatively good quality sound? Paul ---------- >De : Antonio Nunes >Ŕ : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast >Date : Ven 25 mai 2001 12:54 > > > > Synthhtnys@a... wrote: >> >> Errrm, would some nice soul please send the address for the webcast again? > > > http://inet-tv.net/ > Next webcast will begin in about 1 hour's time. I wonder if they will > also repeat yesterday's server hang-up ;-) > > Antonio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27217 Re: Re : [tadream] Real Audio webcast Antonio Nunes Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB From: 'Bennett' Date: Fri May 25, 2001 4:17 pm Subject: The TD SBE webcast I enjoyed watching the show inspite of a few too many rebufferings. The sound quality seemed quite good to me for an internet broadcast. If someone could record a complete show, (preferably with video, even as tiny as it is) that could be downloaded and played locally, I'd love to see it. Yes sometimes the bongos did not fit nor did guitar always add to the music as mentioned. For example when the sequencers were already playing drum lines and she bongo-ed on top anyway. (However, The drummer sure did have a lot of energy!) But over all it looked like a lot of fun and I wish I was there and I hope to see them play in the states. I wish Jerome and Edgar would have stepped out on that stage and played some real guitar like from 'ride on a ray,' Hamlet, or something. I wish Jerome has played more drums. If they have already programmed the computers to handle much of the keyboard work, that's fine since that is their tool, but let Jerome and Edgar fill in with drums and guitar. I would love to see it. Speaking of recording, did anyone ever get a good MP3 of TD on Electrobeats back in January? I tried to listen, but missed much due again to 'rebufferings.' If there is someplace I can download this show for offline listening, please e-mail me. --Bennett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri May 25, 2001 5:20 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] Real Audio webcast Paul Fellows wrote: > > Anyone out there able to receive relatively good quality sound? The sound quality I've got yesterday was uniform throughout the show, similar to MW Radio. No drop-outs, no 'rebufferings' here, and I was using only a 56K modem. For the people who complained about the tiny picture, you can get full screen if you configure your RealPlayer: View -> Zoom -> Full Screen Antonio From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Fri May 25, 2001 5:35 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] TD concert streaming Hi all, Could someone who has a Mac and knows how to save sounds directly from RealPlayer onto the hard disc please get in touch urgently, because it seems that there weren't many of you out there who managed to get uninterrupted concert footage as I did today (or at least no-one's admitting it out of fear that they'll be swamped with requests for copies!) and I hope to try again tomorrow or Sunday..... Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27220 Re: Re : [tadream] TD concert streaming Duncan McKee Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27221 Re : [tadream] TD concert streaming Lasse Gustafsson Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27222 Re: Re : [tadream] TD concert streaming veine@v... Fri 5/25/2001 3 KB 27223 Re: Re : [tadream] TD concert streaming Duncan McKee Fri 5/25/2001 4 KB 27224 Re: Re : [tadream] TD concert streaming veine@v... Fri 5/25/2001 5 KB From: 'David Foster' Date: Fri May 25, 2001 5:51 pm Subject: Interesting people I met some interesting people recently. The other day a client asked me where I was going for the week-end. Shepherds Bush. It turns out he used to be a sound engineer who had seen TD at the Royal Albert Hall in 1975. But he can't remember it! What a shame. Today my daughter's headteacher told me that he used to teach all of Radiohead at school. Back then Peter York used to get really picked on because he had an eye problem. The band got their university degrees and still stuck together. What a small world this is. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Fri May 25, 2001 7:11 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] TD concert streaming hi i managed to record the whole concert into an mp3 file, what i did was conect a jack lead between my line out and line in on my soundcard, then i used a program called music match and recorded the sound from the line in. apart from a little bass which i can clean up using sound forge it has come out rather well. i wasnt bothered about the video as the quality was crap, as long as the music was fine, i had no drop outs at all. --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > Hi all, > > Could someone who has a Mac and knows how to save sounds directly from > RealPlayer onto the hard disc please get in touch urgently, because it seems > that there weren't many of you out there who managed to get uninterrupted > concert footage as I did today (or at least no-one's admitting it out of > fear that they'll be swamped with requests for copies!) and I hope to try > again tomorrow or Sunday..... > > Paul From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Fri May 25, 2001 7:26 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] TD concert streaming >Hi all, > >Could someone who has a Mac and knows how to save sounds directly from >RealPlayer onto the hard disc please get in touch urgently, because it seems I've got Mac, but i think this feature is not part of freely distributable RealPlayer. If i remember right, for a 30$ you get recording among the other, not-so-useful fuctions. Please check (www.real.com) this before grabbing your credit card. I did not rely even trying such a stunt, i simply took audio to my DAT from G3 line out, video using powerbooks presentation video system to hifi vhs. Sad to say, but today again i got many one minute drops. Last half hour of concert was continuous... -- ------------------------------------------------------ - This page is best viewed with computer and monitor - ------------------------------------------------------ From: veine@v... Date: Fri May 25, 2001 7:31 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] TD concert streaming A quick question, how big did the .mp3 file get? ~Veine On Fri, 25 May 2001 19:11:39 -0000 'Duncan McKee' wrote: >hi >i managed to record the whole concert into an mp3 file, >what i did was conect a jack lead between my line out and line in on >my soundcard, >then i used a program called music match and recorded the sound from >the line in. >apart from a little bass which i can clean up using sound forge it >has come out rather well. > >i wasnt bothered about the video as the quality was crap, as long as >the music was fine, i had no drop outs at all. > > >--- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Could someone who has a Mac and knows how to save sounds directly >from >> RealPlayer onto the hard disc please get in touch urgently, because >it seems >> that there weren't many of you out there who managed to get >uninterrupted >> concert footage as I did today (or at least no-one's admitting it >out of >> fear that they'll be swamped with requests for copies!) and I hope >to try >> again tomorrow or Sunday..... >> >> Paul > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de >Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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ID Date Size 27223 Re: Re : [tadream] TD concert streaming Duncan McKee Fri 5/25/2001 4 KB From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Fri May 25, 2001 7:42 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] TD concert streaming hi the mp3 file is 190mb and is compressed at 160kb i will have to covert it to a wav file to reduce the bass then back to mp3. may take a while :-) --- In tadream@y..., veine@v... wrote: > A quick question, how big did the .mp3 file get? > > ~Veine > > On Fri, 25 May 2001 19:11:39 -0000 'Duncan McKee' > wrote: > >hi > >i managed to record the whole concert into an mp3 file, > >what i did was conect a jack lead between my line out and line in on > >my soundcard, > >then i used a program called music match and recorded the sound from > >the line in. > >apart from a little bass which i can clean up using sound forge it > >has come out rather well. > > > >i wasnt bothered about the video as the quality was crap, as long as > >the music was fine, i had no drop outs at all. > > > > > >--- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Could someone who has a Mac and knows how to save sounds directly > >from > >> RealPlayer onto the hard disc please get in touch urgently, because > >it seems > >> that there weren't many of you out there who managed to get > >uninterrupted > >> concert footage as I did today (or at least no-one's admitting it > >out of > >> fear that they'll be swamped with requests for copies!) and I hope > >to try > >> again tomorrow or Sunday..... > >> > >> Paul > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ > >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > >Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > -- > Get your firstname@l... email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su From: veine@v... Date: Fri May 25, 2001 7:45 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] TD concert streaming Hope you have a machine that can do it's business for a while eh? ;) 190 @160 isn't too too bad, I thought it would get bigger then that. Thanks for the info ~V On Fri, 25 May 2001 19:42:44 -0000 'Duncan McKee' wrote: >hi >the mp3 file is 190mb and is compressed at 160kb >i will have to covert it to a wav file to reduce the bass then back >to mp3. >may take a while :-) > > >--- In tadream@y..., veine@v... wrote: >> A quick question, how big did the .mp3 file get? >> >> ~Veine >> >> On Fri, 25 May 2001 19:11:39 -0000 'Duncan McKee' >> wrote: >> >hi >> >i managed to record the whole concert into an mp3 file, >> >what i did was conect a jack lead between my line out and line in >on >> >my soundcard, >> >then i used a program called music match and recorded the sound >from >> >the line in. >> >apart from a little bass which i can clean up using sound forge it >> >has come out rather well. >> > >> >i wasnt bothered about the video as the quality was crap, as long >as >> >the music was fine, i had no drop outs at all. >> > >> > >> >--- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> Could someone who has a Mac and knows how to save sounds >directly >> >from >> >> RealPlayer onto the hard disc please get in touch urgently, >because >> >it seems >> >> that there weren't many of you out there who managed to get >> >uninterrupted >> >> concert footage as I did today (or at least no-one's admitting >it >> >out of >> >> fear that they'll be swamped with requests for copies!) and I >hope >> >to try >> >> again tomorrow or Sunday..... >> >> >> >> Paul >> > >> > >> >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >> >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in >London! >> >Details at http://www.tadream.net >> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: >http://www.johannesschmoelling.de >> >Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! >> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> >----------------------------------------------------_- >> > >> > >> >Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Get your firstname@l... email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Fri May 25, 2001 10:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Real Audio webcast If people really want a recording of this I could download it at work and start a tree, it shouldn't have any drop outs at all, the multicast stream was encoded at 100kps which wont be a problem. Let me know. Cheers Matt -----Original Message----- From: C. Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...] Sent: 25 May 2001 14:34 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] Real Audio webcast Has anyone else noticed how distorted this thing is...its almost like they 'brickwalled' all of the low-frequencies...I don't know if it is a recording issue, or the fact that real audio is trying to use every bit of dynamic range available, or even worse, the actual sound coming out of the PA was this muddy...it's making my head hurt...I am trying to record it but with all the dropouts and connection speed changes, I am probably wasting my time. Anybody want to pull together content and try to make a complete show? I will volunteer to put all the pieces together. I think we will have a much better chance of getting this in its entirety if we can pull together several sources from different people that are recording the show. You've heard of distributed networks, right? This is distributed recording sourcing...just a thought...if anyone wants to play let me know. I have now two partial recordings so I don't how much will actually be available...seems like I do rather well on the bridges, but all the actual songs go away. I expect this will be released officially anyway, sooner or later. Maybe we should ask Martin at TDI before we waste all our efforts. Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:ajogon@n...] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:55 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast > > > > > Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > > > Errrm, would some nice soul please send the address for the > webcast again? > > > http://inet-tv.net/ > Next webcast will begin in about 1 hour's time. I wonder if they will > also repeat yesterday's server hang-up ;-) > > Antonio > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! 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ID Date Size 27226 Re: Real Audio webcast Richard F Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27227 Re: Real Audio webcast Lasse Gustafsson Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27283 Re: Real Audio webcast Lasse Gustafsson Wed 5/30/2001 2 KB From: Richard F Date: Fri May 25, 2001 10:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Audio webcast In message , Matthew Stringer writes >If people really want a recording of this I could download it at work and >start a tree, it shouldn't have any drop outs at all, the multicast stream >was encoded at 100kps which wont be a problem. > >Let me know. > >Cheers > >Matt Sounds like a good idea. It should be 3 - 4 CD's ? -- Richard F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Fri May 25, 2001 11:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Real Audio webcast >If people really want a recording of this I could download it at work and >start a tree, it shouldn't have any drop outs at all, the multicast stream >was encoded at 100kps which wont be a problem. > >Let me know. > >Cheers > >Matt As we all have some bats in our belfry - and we collect this kind of stuff with quite a big enthusiasm, i think there is people interested enough to build a tree for this; still not the best concert ever...but not worst. -- +----------------------------------------------------------+ ! Lasse Gustafsson ! ! +----------------------------+ Tektor Oy ! ! lasse.gustafsson@t... ! Rälssintie 12 ! ! Tel. +358 (0)9 350 8170 ! FIN-00720 HELSINKI, Finland ! ! Fax. +358 (0)9 350 81740 ! http://www.tektor.fi/ ! +----------------------------------------------------------+ From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri May 25, 2001 11:46 pm Subject: work address Hello All, Sorry for the off topic, but I just need to inform a few people of a change in my professional life. To all those list members that have my work e-mail: @dom.com. Please do not attempt to contact me at this address, as I am no longer employed for this company. They have decided to move the location to Chicago, and I have been invited NOT to join them. Well...........POOP on them!!! Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27230 Re: work address Frank Arellano Sat 5/26/2001 3 KB 27233 Re: work address E Neal Frost Sat 5/26/2001 4 KB 27234 Re: work address E Neal Frost Sat 5/26/2001 5 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat May 26, 2001 3:14 am Subject: RE: [tadream] DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG: original or reissue? The original says limited edition of 2000 > -----Original Message----- > From: scfeldman@j... [mailto:scfeldman@j...] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:28 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG: original or reissue? > > > Hi All, > Was there ever a reissue of the first DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG > CD? And if so, how does one tell the difference between the > original CD and the reissue? I just sold a copy of this CD on > eBAY to an overseas bidder and I want to make sure that I have > the genuine article before the transaction takes place and the > item is mailed. A scan of the front and back of the CD is at > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1433426975 > > -- Steven Feldman > > + + + + + + + > 'I remember someone coming up to me at work when I was listening to Music > From The Hearts of Space--all concerned because the music was stuck, that > it was playing the same thing over and over and over. My explanation that > the piece was slowly evolving did not convince the skeptic.' > -- Doug Daughtry , Space Music mailing list, 9/11/98 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat May 26, 2001 3:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] work address Sorry to hear that, Neal. Corporate loyalty seems to have gone out the window, IMO. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'E Neal Frost' To: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:46 PM Subject: [tadream] work address > Hello All, > > Sorry for the off topic, but I just need to inform a few people of a change in my professional life. > > To all those list members that have my work e-mail: @dom.com. Please do not attempt to contact me at this address, as I am no longer employed for this company. They have decided to move the location to Chicago, and I have been invited NOT to join them. > > Well...........POOP on them!!! > > Neal > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat May 26, 2001 5:02 am Subject: Shepherd's Bush and some loose thoughts Yesterday I tried picking up the webcast, but _way_ too many rebufferings for me! Just a few loose thoughts here : Sounds like mixed reviews in general of the Shepherds Bush concert. I gotta agree with whoever said Purple Haze was a poor choice to end the concert with when they've got a wealth of better material to choose from. I would have been pretty bummed had I been there, just about anything else would have been better than Purple Haze, IMO. Also I think Bennett had a very good point that it would have been nice to see Jerome or Edgar to get up and play some guitar too! Also it doesn't sound like Iris and Gerald mixed very well. Sounds like she was all over the place and perhaps Gerald didn't know where to go with it. Heiko, I think those days of great sequencing are a thing of the past. Myself, I'm just not that crazy of the technoish direction that it seems TD is headed towards. [This is after listening to some of the 12' single releases.] I'm sure that there are some retro TD diehards out there that aren't too happy with what Edgar and Jerome did to some of TD's classic pieces. But, I'm probably still going to go out and order me my copy of DM III. TD always seems to manage to have atleast a couple worthwhile tracks anyways, hopefully 8-/. Frank Arellano From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Sat May 26, 2001 9:41 am Subject: Shepherds Bush Webcast I've tried for the past 3 days to record the webcast of the Shepherds Bush concert. Today, for the first tme, it was streaming correctly with no speed changes, or pitch changes. I thought 'this is great, fingers crossed, touch wood etc'. Then - a micro powercut - and I lost all that I'd recorded!, about the first hour. Since then I've been trying to record again, but the stream keeps breaking. I'll try again tomorrow, last time lucky?!? Did any of you lucky ones at the concert get a recording while you where there? and has anyone managed to record all of the webcast? I'd really love a copy of them. Let me know off list. Thanks Hilary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27247 Shepherds Bush Webcast onot DAT? Rainer Rutka Sun 5/27/2001 2 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat May 26, 2001 10:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] work address Thank you Frank. Please keep in touch, I would still like to trade. But maybe it would be easier if we did it a little slower. 2 for 2 instead of 11 for 11? Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Frank Arellano' To: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] work address > > Sorry to hear that, Neal. Corporate loyalty seems to have gone out the > window, IMO. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'E Neal Frost' > To: > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:46 PM > Subject: [tadream] work address > > > > Hello All, > > > > Sorry for the off topic, but I just need to inform a few people of a > change in my professional life. > > > > To all those list members that have my work e-mail: @dom.com. Please do > not attempt to contact me at this address, as I am no longer employed for > this company. They have decided to move the location to Chicago, and I have > been invited NOT to join them. > > > > Well...........POOP on them!!! > > > > Neal > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat May 26, 2001 11:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] work address Woops!!! That was obviously supposed to be off list. Sorry. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'E Neal Frost' To: Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] work address > Thank you Frank. > > Please keep in touch, I would still like to trade. But maybe it would be > easier if we did it a little slower. 2 for 2 instead of 11 for 11? > > Neal > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Frank Arellano' > To: > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:43 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] work address > > > > > > Sorry to hear that, Neal. Corporate loyalty seems to have gone out the > > window, IMO. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'E Neal Frost' > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:46 PM > > Subject: [tadream] work address > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > Sorry for the off topic, but I just need to inform a few people of a > > change in my professional life. > > > > > > To all those list members that have my work e-mail: @dom.com. Please do > > not attempt to contact me at this address, as I am no longer employed for > > this company. They have decided to move the location to Chicago, and I > have > > been invited NOT to join them. > > > > > > Well...........POOP on them!!! > > > > > > Neal > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > > > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' Date: Fri May 25, 2001 5:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD Home page I've generally got this message when it's been in the process of being updated. -----Original Message----- From: E Neal Frost [mailto:strat95@b...] Sent: 25 May 2001 03:24 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] TD Home page I have tried several times to access the TD website, but it keeps telling me I am not authorized to visit this site. Is it me, or is anyone else having these troubles? Neal From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Fri May 25, 2001 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] SBE3/SSO/Solipse/RE: Subject: Live (off topic) Hello! I played two times in two big party with Stars Sounds Orchestra , very good feeling & moving to a friendship , two friends happy & nice !---------Dr.Strange . From: fred guillen Date: Fri May 25, 2001 7:41 pm Subject: [tadream] The Keep Soundtrack Hi all, I just joined this list and thought I’d introduce myself. My name is Fred and I'm a Tangerine Dream fiend. I don't know if this subject has already come up before, so I apologize if it seems that I’m recycling an already discussed topic, but here goes. Does anyone no how a can obtain a copy of 'The Keep' soundtrack by Tangerine Dream? I understand that it’s been out of print for aeons. I’ve even tried eBay, but to no avail. If anyone here has any recommendations or suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it. I don’t care if it is a CD in the original case, or a burned copy. I ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE THIS SOUNDTRACK IN MY POSSESSION. So please respond if you can help me out. Thanks all! Fred From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat May 26, 2001 5:23 pm Subject: ambient My friend who is not on this list has a lot of ambient CD's and would like to trade for new ambient / live stuff. If you are interested I would be grateful if you would contact me off list. Thanks. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Sat May 26, 2001 7:41 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] The Keep Soundtrack Hello Fred and welcome to the list of dreamers :o) Poul >Hi all, I just joined this list and thought I'd introduce myself. My name is Fred and I'm a Tangerine Dream fiend. I don't know if this subject has already come up before, so I apologize if it seems that I'm recycling an already discussed topic, but here goes. Does anyone no how a can obtain a copy of 'The Keep' soundtrack by Tangerine Dream? I understand that it's been out of print for aeons. I've even tried eBay, but to no avail. If anyone here has any recommendations or suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it. I don't care if it is a CD in the original case, or a burned copy. I ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE THIS SOUNDTRACK IN MY POSSESSION. So please respond if you can help me out. Thanks all! Fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27240 Re: Sv: [tadream] The Keep Soundtrack Lasse Gustafsson Sat 5/26/2001 2 KB From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Sat May 26, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Re: Sv: [tadream] The Keep Soundtrack >Does anyone no how a can obtain a copy of 'The Keep' soundtrack by Tangerine >Dream? I understand that it's been out of print for aeons. I've even tried >eBay, but to no avail. You should ask this from Mr. Rainer Rutka; http://www.rutka.de/td/ If i remember right, he had original 'Keep' for trade. -- ------------------------------------------------------ - This page is best viewed with computer and monitor - ------------------------------------------------------ From: 'tei waz' Date: Sun May 27, 2001 5:34 am Subject: if the webcast gets tree'd sign me up for the tree of the webcast--my ISP cut me off after the first one hundred moons, er minutes last night, er early this AM--somwhere around 0840 GMT. The glories of dial-up. --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27248 Re: if the webcast gets tree'd j.gordon Mon 5/28/2001 3 KB 27249 Re: if the webcast gets tree'd Yannick EDOM Mon 5/28/2001 4 KB 27252 Re: if the webcast gets tree'd Hilary Wright Mon 5/28/2001 4 KB 27253 Re: if the webcast gets tree'd Matthew Sawyer Mon 5/28/2001 2 KB From: 'colin anderson' Date: Sun May 27, 2001 9:13 am Subject: Re: SBE and Realplayer I must've been lucky. I braced myself for all sorts of realplayer woes after reading about Thursday's fiasco, but Friday's broadcast (10pm here in Australia) was an absolute breeze, with a constant stream right up to the start of Stereolight. I was going to record it, but the sound was pretty muddy to say the least, so I didn't bother - sorry folks....... This leads to my realplayer session. When the Saturday broadcast started, I got crystal clear sound for about 1 min, streaming at 27kbps, then the sound clicked and popped and went muddy even tho' the stream was still 27kbps and the bandwidth stats were ok. Reconnected five times and got exactly the same thing - great sound for the first minute, then a drop out to the muddy stuff. Anyone got ideas? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sun May 27, 2001 11:15 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 905 Does anyone no how a can obtain a copy of 'The Keep' soundtrack by Tangerine >Dream? I understand that it's been out of print for aeons. I've even tried >eBay, but to no avail. Check with Duncan's site- he is on this list From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun May 27, 2001 12:41 pm Subject: Homepage updated Hi folks, I have updated my music page at http://www.caby.de/Music Reasons to visit: * updated TD related links page * updated live tape and swaplist * updated 'Remarks and Corrections' about mis-labeled tapes/CDRs, essential reading for serious live collectors and, of course, an new MP3 rarity! have fun, cheers, klaus From: justin.ludford@l... Date: Sun May 27, 2001 8:25 pm Subject: Webcast I am a UK resident waiting for the last showing of the TD show on I- net at 21.00 Pm. Nothing happens after the intro screen ! Has it been delayed or is there a more technical reason ?? From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Sun May 27, 2001 8:36 pm Subject: Related TD material - Tony Carey Hey there all, just wanted to make a comment here about somewhat related music to that of TD. I am a huge huge fan of an artist named Tony Carey, as well as his 'off' project, the Planet P Project. Not sure how many of you are familar with his/their music, but Tony was the brains behind Planet P. They released two Cds in the 80's (the 'Pink World' Cd still rates as my all time favorite conceptual album of all times just about tied with Marillion 'brave', and it's an absolutely STUNNING Cd. But seriously, it's incredible. And I have now obtained a copy of Tony's THIRD release of Planet P Project that hasn't ever been (nor will ever be) released due to copyright issues. Long story short, I have also obtained copies of EVERY known Tony Carey and/or Planet P Project release that he's put out (and some that he hasn't), and his instrumental 80's stuff is SO CLOSE in comparison to that of TD. His instrumental stuff is closely related to new age, some is techno, there is some 'dance' material, and a ton of other rarities and goodies. Just curious if anyone has heard of this material, and if they know of OTHER material somewhat related to that of TD? I never thought Tony's stuff would ever sound like this (considering his 80's stuff is all pop rock music), but yes, this stuff is brilliant. Thanks, just curious if anyone has a comparison of other bands that are somewhat related in sound to TD? I'm always looking for new goodies. I'm a huge Enigma fan, Depeche Mode, and a ton of others. dan Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com TeslaGroup, ChristianRockMusic, TheTradingCircle Found HERE! http://www.yahoogroups.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), MSN Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun May 27, 2001 9:06 pm Subject: Shepherds Bush Webcast onot DAT? BTW: Did somebody recorded the webcast onto DAT? Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon May 28, 2001 12:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] if the webcast gets tree'd i'm mucho interested, as well... j.gordon --- tei waz wrote: > sign me up for the tree of the webcast--my ISP cut me off after the first > one hundred moons, er minutes last night, er early this AM--somwhere around > 0840 GMT. > > The glories of dial-up. > > --teiwaz > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Mon May 28, 2001 3:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] if the webcast gets tree'd Hi there Like Jerome i'm interested in a recording of the webcast. I tried to record it but each time the stream crashed down and not working after. Does anyone managed to 'treed' the shepherd bush ? Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... ----- Message d'origine ----- De : j.gordon Ŕ : Envoyé : lundi 28 mai 2001 13:57 Objet : Re: [tadream] if the webcast gets tree'd > i'm mucho interested, as well... > > j.gordon > > > > > --- tei waz wrote: > > sign me up for the tree of the webcast--my ISP cut me off after the first > > one hundred moons, er minutes last night, er early this AM--somwhere around > > 0840 GMT. > > > > The glories of dial-up. > > > > --teiwaz > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27252 Re: if the webcast gets tree'd Hilary Wright Mon 5/28/2001 4 KB From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon May 28, 2001 3:09 pm Subject: Subject: RE: Real Audio webcast >If people really want a recording of this I could download it at work and >start a tree, it shouldn't have any drop outs at all, the multicast stream >was encoded at 100kps which wont be a problem. >Let me know. >Cheers >Matt I'm interested. Tried to listen to it Thursday but without success. /Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27251 Re: Subject: RE: Real Audio webcast Hilary Wright Mon 5/28/2001 2 KB 27257 Re: Subject: RE: Real Audio webcast Matthew Stringer Tue 5/29/2001 3 KB From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Mon May 28, 2001 6:20 pm Subject: Re: Subject: RE: Real Audio webcast I'm interested too! Tried to record but it crashed each time. Hilary --- In tadream@y..., olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > >If people really want a recording of this I could download it at work and > >start a tree, it shouldn't have any drop outs at all, the multicast stream > >was encoded at 100kps which wont be a problem. > > >Let me know. > >Cheers > >Matt > > I'm interested. Tried to listen to it Thursday but without success. > > /Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27257 Re: Subject: RE: Real Audio webcast Matthew Stringer Tue 5/29/2001 3 KB From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Mon May 28, 2001 6:21 pm Subject: Re: if the webcast gets tree'd Hi All, I'm interested too. I could be a 'branch' if required. Hilary --- In tadream@y..., 'Yannick EDOM' wrote: > Hi there > > Like Jerome i'm interested in a recording of the webcast. > I tried to record it but each time the stream crashed down and not working > after. > > Does anyone managed to 'treed' the shepherd bush ? > > Friendly from France > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > ----- Message d'origine ----- > De : j.gordon > Ŕ : > Envoyé : lundi 28 mai 2001 13:57 > Objet : Re: [tadream] if the webcast gets tree'd > > > > i'm mucho interested, as well... > > > > j.gordon > > > > > > > > > > --- tei waz wrote: > > > sign me up for the tree of the webcast--my ISP cut me off after the > first > > > one hundred moons, er minutes last night, er early this AM-- somwhere > around > > > 0840 GMT. > > > > > > The glories of dial-up. > > > > > > --teiwaz > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > > > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Mon May 28, 2001 7:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: if the webcast gets tree'd From: 'Hilary Wright' > I'm interested too. I could be a 'branch' if required. > > Hilary I'm also interested and can act as a branch in the tree if anyone is interested in starting one. Maff ________________________________________ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Mon May 28, 2001 7:29 pm Subject: webcast hi i recorded the audio stream into an mp3 file on friday. it does not seem to have any drop outs at all, i was listening to it whilst recording it. i have cleaned up the volume and bass and the whole concert has been split into the 2 sets plus encores. i may start a tree but only in its mp3 form.(first set 71.42 mins, Second set 72.23 mins, Encores 22.40) if anyone can help me (as i have never treed anything before) get in touch. but remember it will only be in its mp3 form. Duncan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27256 Re: webcast Armin Theissen Tue 5/29/2001 2 KB 27268 Re: webcast Hilary Wright Tue 5/29/2001 2 KB From: 'Mike Surber' Date: Mon May 28, 2001 11:50 pm Subject: Slightly-Off Topic post Hello all. Please forgive the slightly off topic post here but I have recently upgraded from Sound Forge XP 4.5 to Sound Forge 5.0 and wanted to offer my old program discs for sale to anyone in the group who could use them. v. 4.5 is very nearly as full-functioning as 5.0 and of course since it's been uninstalled from my computer I can supply everything that came with it to the buyer (I believe I still even have the original box & packaging!). I've used it to work on some of my TD recordings (sorry, moderated group) and its by far the best multimedia software package I've ever used. Please contact me off list if you are interested, I'm sure that someone can certainly make better use of it than just me letting it sit on the shelf somewhere. Thanks for the momentary break here, we now resume regular programming of the shows already in progress... Mike Surber mike_surber@h... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Tue May 29, 2001 7:05 am Subject: Re: webcast Do you mean that you offer those mp3 files to download, via ftp or something? Huge files, I guess... I'm very interested in any (non profit, of course) distribution of this. a. --- In tadream@y..., 'Duncan McKee' wrote: > hi > i recorded the audio stream into an mp3 file on friday. > it does not seem to have any drop outs at all, i was listening to it > whilst recording it. > > i have cleaned up the volume and bass and the whole concert has been > split into the 2 sets plus encores. > > i may start a tree but only in its mp3 form.(first set 71.42 mins, > Second set 72.23 mins, Encores 22.40) > > if anyone can help me (as i have never treed anything before) get in > touch. > > but remember it will only be in its mp3 form. > > > Duncan From: Matthew Stringer Date: Tue May 29, 2001 8:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Subject: RE: Real Audio webcast Okay, can someone send me the URL again please? I've yet to tune in to record this. Matt On Monday 28 May 2001 19:20, you wrote: > I'm interested too! Tried to record but it crashed each time. > > Hilary > > --- In tadream@y..., olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > > >If people really want a recording of this I could download it at > > work and > > > >start a tree, it shouldn't have any drop outs at all, the > > multicast stream > > > >was encoded at 100kps which wont be a problem. > > > > > >Let me know. > > >Cheers > > >Matt > > > > I'm interested. Tried to listen to it Thursday but without success. > > > > /Olle > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary > Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Tue May 29, 2001 12:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 907 Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:09:18 +0200 From: olle.rundgren@s... Subject: Subject: RE: Real Audio webcast >If people really want a recording of this I could download it at work and >start a tree, it shouldn't have any drop outs at all, the multicast stream >was encoded at 100kps which wont be a problem. >Let me know. >Cheers >Matt Add me to this list Regards, DPH From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sat May 26, 2001 8:51 pm Subject: Re The Keep Soundtrack On Sat, 26 May 2001 21:41:18 +0200 'Poul Erik' writes: >I don't know if this subject has already come up before, >so I apologize if it seems that I'm recycling an already >discussed topic [. . .] Hee hee. Whatever put that idea in your mind? ;) (That's an inside joke for longtime subscribers to this list.) >Does anyone no how a can obtain a copy of 'The Keep' >soundtrack by Tangerine Dream? Which one? Ho ho ho, yuk yuk yuk. (That's another inside joke for longtime subscribers to this list.) Go to http://www.rutka.de/td/keep.htm and you'll see a whole bunch of flapdoodle I wrote about this very subject some time ago. >I understand that it's been out of print for aeons. Well, errrr (another inside joke coming; watch out!), supposedly, it never was in print, originally -- if you mean as an LP. (I saw one the week it came out in 1984. Virgin had not finalized its rights deal with Paramount and the record was not supposed to have pressed, so all copies that had been placed in stores that had not already been sold were recalled the very same week of their release.) If you mean in CD form, it's only been out of print for about five months. But it would've cost you $180.00 retail for one -- and that price was set by Edgar Froese, not some bootlegger or shyster re-seller! >I've even tried eBay, but to no avail. Boots and even the TDI CDs used to turn up on there regularly, for a little while. eBAY cracked down on CD-Rs, though, so you don't see KEEP CDs turn up on eBAY nearly as often anymore . . . but they do, now and then. -- Steven Feldman -- lone webmaster of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sun May 27, 2001 8:30 pm Subject: Some Thoughts on DREAM MIXES III Hmmm, I've had this CD for two days, now, and have played it about nine times, but so far, it really seems like a cross between DREAM MIXES II and MARS POLARIS -- with a little of MELROSE thrown in? Howso MELROSE? The cheesiness. I am particularly reminded of the cymbals in DESERT TRAIN (which I like as a track, despite the cymbals). 'Comfort Zone' seems to sound the cheesiest. On Thu, 24 May 2001 16:49:45 -0500 Feldon Feldon writes: >DM3 is about halfway between DM1 and DM2 energy-wise. I suppose. >1. Prime Time ­[. . .] this doesn't seem to be to me a remix >of anything recognizable. One thing that irks me about this track is that the opening two minutes and closing one minute are very drawn out and detract from the overall feel of the song. There is a great booming borderline subsonic chugging synth sound in the beginning two minutes, but then it vanishes, never to return -- and it was the best part of the song! The melody line and synth setting that begins at the 2:24 mark is reminiscent of 'Conspiracy' from the ZONING soundtrack and the drum beat is almost the same as that in the GREAT WALL OF CHINA version of 'Meng Tian.' The keyboard sound at 3:28 is like in 'Conspiracy,' too. The chord progression at 5:04 is a variation of that of 'Logos.' At 7:28, the rapping of the drum stick on the drum kit is really tacky. 8:22 brings stringlike synth like from 'Church Theme' (the WAVELENGTH soundtrack) and 'Silver Scale' (TANGENTS. The last 53 seconds feel like an afterthought, but remind me of the quiet ending to 'Phaedra.' >[. . .] this is a great track. 4AS. I think it's a lot of nothing. It's like a cross between DREAM MIXES II and side two of ROCKOON, to me. >2. Astrophobia ­ Minimalist remix of the Mars Polaris >track. 3.5AS Really disjointed; no unity. It starts off one way, then about halfway continues in a wholly unrelated, sluggish fashion. It ends up being like an awkward version of 'Scuba Scuba' (UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT), in tone. >3. Stereolight ­ One of the highlights of this album, a >chillingly cool remix of Monolight from Encore. I love >just about every bit of it! Sure it has a lot of new >things, but whenever you're starting to get distracted, it >pulls you back with another Monolight snippet. 4AS Odd, ostentatious sound at 4:33, and then a fast section like in 'Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal' (SHEPHERD'S BUSH 1996 CD). Almost enjoyable, except that all the samples are too blatant and obvious. >4. Diamonds & Dust ­ Nice remix of the Thief material. It >contains a lot of sequences directly lifted, particularly >the Horns of Doom looped melody line but reworked a bit. >3.5AS No complaints about this one, really. >5. Blue Spears ­ This is one of the weaker tracks, but even >it has its moments. This is not remixed from anything that >I can tell. There’s about 2 annoying minutes with a high >pitched cha chha thingy. And the track doesn't really evolve >much. Another case of “if you've heard the first 2 minutes, >you've heard the whole song” deal. 2.5AS Some of the opening keyboards remind me of 'Zion' from the OASIS soundtrack, for some reason. The drum thump and tambourine rhythm that starts at the 2 minute mark is annoying. Yep, the cha cha thingy that first appears at 4:20 is indeed a groaner. What the hell were they thinking? This is as bad as the escalating boopley sound in 'Time Square (The Legendary N.Y. BrixMix)' from the WHAT A BLAST soundtrack. The ending is a little like 'Culpa Levis' (DREAM MIXES II), synth and melody-wise. This would have been decent if not for the cha cha crap that sounds like escaping steam from a pressure cooker valve. >6. Meng Tian ­ [. . .] It’s arguably the worst track on the >disc and certainly the most lifeless. 1AS The first half sounds like it would have fit in nicely on DREAM MIXES II. >7. Girl on the Stairs ­ This is identical to the remix of >White Eagle / Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe on the World Tour >single. A nice remix at any rate. I have always liked this track, but it sticks out like a sore thumb on this album insofar as it shows too much restraint compared to everything else on it. > I prefer the not-so-remixed version that came out (forget >the name). 3AS They had the same name, really. There was a Sunrise and a Sunset version. I always liked the longer one much more. If I have the right one, it was originally called 'Maedchen on the stairs (Rien ne va plus - sunrise club mix)' on the LIMITED WORLD TOUR EDITION 1997 disc. >8. The Spirit of the Czar ­ Probably my favorite track on >this disc! A remix of the first ~7 minutes of “Poland”. >I think they went into this remix with respect for the >material. They could have really botched this job up, but >instead they captured the military march feeling of the >original music and pulled every awesome element of the >old. The new sound morph/twist at 1:20-1:23 is totally new, >but captures the same feeling as the original version on >Poland. I’m a bit surprised that the dance version is >actually a bit *slower* than the release but whatever >works. All the melody lines have been saved, but beautiful >new layers underneath. What, like the listless drumstick rapping against the edge of a drum that starts at around 1:15? Gack. Painful. The second half of the track is subtler, more interesting, and doesn't have the amateurish drumstick rapping. >A case of Tangentization that works. I find myself >humming the new lines of DM3 when I play the original. >4.5AS Yes, this track pretty much works, but I find the first half rather trying. >9. The Comfort Zone ­ A strong point of this disc—the Logos >“Wake Up” remix. Jerome clearly had fun doing this as it >really grabs you. Very upbeat and fun track, and I have new >respect for Jerome’s remixing abilities. You wouldn’t hear >this in a club, but more on a TV show or movie as it’s way >too upbeat for dancing in a club. I can’t help but smile at >it’s cheery optimism. 4.5AS I thought the first 3 minutes of this are incredibly cheesy. The high pitched swishy sound clashes badly with the low rumble of the synth wash samples from 'Logos.' Then, the song improves, but then there is a sound like a basketball bouncing in slow motion. There is some pretty feeble acoustic drumming in the second half of this track that starts at 3:20. >So if you liked Dream Mixes 1, it’s time to preorder Dream >Mixes 3! I suppose, but I like DREAM MIXES II much more than DREAM MIXES III, myself. >-Morgan -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Fred Date: Fri Sep 28, 1956 6:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep Soundtrack, question about 'Near Dark' Wow! You people are really well-informed. I had no idea that there was more than one soundtrack made for 'The Keep.' Thank you all for your replies, it was really informative. I will contact the individuals who wrote me when I'm ready to act on the suggestions that you all gave me. 'Ready' meaning when I finally get my next paycheck, since I'm a little broke at the moment. Until then, I'd like to now ask you a question about the 'Near Dark' sountrack. I don't know if any of you saw that movie, but in the opening sequence, while the main character, Caleb, was driving into town, there was some georgeously dreamy and spooky ambient music being played. I loved it, however when I purchased the 'Near Dark' soundtrack (on the Varese Sarabande label) and played the first track, entitled 'Caleb's Blues' it was this horrible and abrasive keyboard and guitar. *shrugs* I felt pretty ripped off at that moment. Ok, I'm starting to ramble. My question is.. Does anybody know if there was another soundtrack out there, aside from the Varese Sarabande label, that might actually have the real opening music that was in the film? Thanks again folks! Fred From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue May 29, 2001 1:13 am Subject: Ganymede You know, it's funny but, much as I like Tangerine Dream, I think Ganymede's latest album, EUROMANTIQUE is better than TD's DREAM MIXES III. I thought Ganymede's previous album, AFTER THE FALL, was really good, but the new one's great. Who are Ganymede? A Californian analog synth duo on a small label called Ninthwave Records. They specialize in synthpop based on the music of Giorgio Moroder, The Pet Shop Boys, OMD, and New Order. Their stuff is eminently danceable and sports terrific melodies. Imagine a hybrid of Giorgio's 'First Hand Experience in Second Hand Love' (from the FROM HERE TO ETERNITY album) with New Order's 'True Faith,' and you'll have an idea what they're like. And one of the bonus tracks on EUROMANTIQUE (which was just released this week) is a remix of their hit song 'Neon Rain,' which sounds as if The Stranglers remixed it in the vein of 'Golden Brown' (FELINE) or 'Always the Sun' (DREAMTIME). The funny thing is, the original 'Neon Rain' is set at a tempo about 145 beats per minute! For anyone who likes the music of Giorgio Moroder, Patrick Cowley, Simon Sousson, and/or Cerrone, this is oldstyle stompin' Eurodisco with a driving beat, sort of like Erasure at 45 speed without the overproduction. Go to http://www.planetganymede.com/ for more info, and to http://www.planetganymede.com/listen.html to listen to three of their tracks. -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'David Bowie told me Brian Eno gave him a record of I Feel Love and said 'David . . . I heard the future!'' -- Giorgio Moroder, on the UK Channel 4 television special, 'The UK's Greatest #1 Singles,' on January 6, 2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27269 Re: Ganymede Phil White Tue 5/29/2001 4 KB 27349 Dante j.gordon Wed 6/6/2001 2 KB 28645 Ganymede scfeldman@j... Thu 8/23/2001 4 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Tue May 29, 2001 2:28 pm Subject: Heiko,s Guestbook message. Hello Heiko. I tottally agree with your guestbook message.People cant expect td to go back to the halcyon days of the 70,s & 80,s those days are gone. These guys are still capable of composing some thouroughly top notch music and it seems there are still a few out there with their arses firmly stuck in 1975.My favorite album is rubycon but i know they will not be going down that road again so i say to the doubters if you dont like what they are doing now dont buy it.Like you stated heiko that was then but this is now.(spot on) Dream mixes 3 has yet again proved to me that they are still a major force.This is in my opinion the best album in the dream mix trilogy. Best regards From Colin South Wales GB. A td fan since 1979. From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Tue May 29, 2001 4:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] question about 'Near Dark' + Flashpoint Hi Fred Don't know about the Near dark music, it been such a long time since i saw it. But the problem you mentions is also on Flashpoint. Some of the music in the movie is totally different on the album. Anoying!!!!! Does anyone here have the versions from the movie and not the soundtrack??????????? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 28, 1956 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep Soundtrack, question about 'Near Dark' Wow! You people are really well-informed. I had no idea that there was more than one soundtrack made for 'The Keep.' Thank you all for your replies, it was really informative. I will contact the individuals who wrote me when I'm ready to act on the suggestions that you all gave me. 'Ready' meaning when I finally get my next paycheck, since I'm a little broke at the moment. Until then, I'd like to now ask you a question about the 'Near Dark' sountrack. I don't know if any of you saw that movie, but in the opening sequence, while the main character, Caleb, was driving into town, there was some georgeously dreamy and spooky ambient music being played. I loved it, however when I purchased the 'Near Dark' soundtrack (on the Varese Sarabande label) and played the first track, entitled 'Caleb's Blues' it was this horrible and abrasive keyboard and guitar. *shrugs* I felt pretty ripped off at that moment. Ok, I'm starting to ramble. My question is.. Does anybody know if there was another soundtrack out there, aside from the Varese Sarabande label, that might actually have the real opening music that was in the film? Thanks again folks! Fred ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! 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ID Date Size 27265 Re: question about 'Near Dark' + Flashpoint Jim Moore Tue 5/29/2001 3 KB 27266 Re: question about 'Near Dark' + Flashpoint Sean Montgomery Tue 5/29/2001 3 KB 27267 Re: question about 'Near Dark' + Flashpoint Michael Jean Tue 5/29/2001 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue May 29, 2001 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] question about 'Near Dark' + Flashpoint From: 'PERGAMON' > Don't know about the Near dark music, it been such a long time since i saw it. But the problem you mentions is also on Flashpoint. Some of the music in the movie is totally different on the album. Anoying!!!!! Does anyone here have the versions from the movie and not the soundtrack??????????? Has there ever been a movie where the soundtrack album has been completely inclusive of all the music in the movie? Firestarter was the closest that I know of. In Legend, we got half of the movie music, and I'm not going to talk about the Keep... Personally, I blame the lawyers... - jim From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue May 29, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] question about 'Near Dark' + Flashpoint Jim Moore wrote: > Has there ever been a movie where the soundtrack album has been completely > inclusive of all the music in the movie? Yes...but when this happens, the resulting albums are rarely satisfying. That's because when musicians compose a movie score, they write short cues of anywhere from a few seconds to a couple of minutes long, rather than full songs. So if you put all of the music that is *actually heard* in a movie onto a disc, you get something like Dead Solid Perfect, Three O'Clock High, or Catch Me If You Can...a collection of short scraps that is pretty annoying to listen to. The best TD soundtracks...Thief, Firestarter, Legend, Miracle Mile...are albums where the band took the music they composed for the movie back to the studio, and fleshed it out onto longer pieces. Now, as for why some pieces get cut, well that's a good question. Perhaps the band doesn't feel able to extend a cool but short cue they composed. Perhaps they don't like it. Or perhaps there are indeed legal reasons. I've always liked the opening music in Near Dark too, and wondered if perhaps it was based on or contained music by another artist. Does anyone know? -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Michael Jean Date: Tue May 29, 2001 6:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] question about 'Near Dark' + Flashpoint I THINK HEARTBREAKERS WAS PRETTY CLOSE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT LITTLE LILTING SEGMENT I LOVED, WHILE THE BRUNETTE WAS DOING HER EXERCISE IN THE ART STUDIO (IF I RECALL). I ALSO THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE OPENING NEAR DARK PIECE ON THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS...SORRY FOR THE CAPITALIZATION! Has there ever been a movie where the soundtrack album has been completely inclusive of all the music in the movie? Firestarter was the closest that I know of. In Legend, we got half of the movie music, and I'm not going to talk about the Keep... From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Tue May 29, 2001 6:38 pm Subject: Re: webcast Hi Duncan, I'm very willing to help. As posted elsewhere I am willing to be a 'branch' to copy on to other 'leaves' - so count me in! Hilary --- In tadream@y..., 'Duncan McKee' wrote: > hi > i recorded the audio stream into an mp3 file on friday. > it does not seem to have any drop outs at all, i was listening to it > whilst recording it. > > i have cleaned up the volume and bass and the whole concert has been > split into the 2 sets plus encores. > > i may start a tree but only in its mp3 form.(first set 71.42 mins, > Second set 72.23 mins, Encores 22.40) > > if anyone can help me (as i have never treed anything before) get in > touch. > > but remember it will only be in its mp3 form. > > > Duncan From: 'Phil White' Date: Tue May 29, 2001 8:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ganymede Well I've listened to them.... Nuff said ! Phil White ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:13 AM Subject: [tadream] Ganymede > You know, it's funny but, much as I like Tangerine > Dream, I think Ganymede's latest album, EUROMANTIQUE is > better than TD's DREAM MIXES III. I thought Ganymede's > previous album, AFTER THE FALL, was really good, but the > new one's great. > Who are Ganymede? A Californian analog synth duo > on a small label called Ninthwave Records. They specialize > in synthpop based on the music of Giorgio Moroder, The Pet > Shop Boys, OMD, and New Order. Their stuff is eminently > danceable and sports terrific melodies. Imagine a hybrid > of Giorgio's 'First Hand Experience in Second Hand Love' > (from the FROM HERE TO ETERNITY album) with New Order's > 'True Faith,' and you'll have an idea what they're like. > And one of the bonus tracks on EUROMANTIQUE (which > was just released this week) is a remix of their hit song > 'Neon Rain,' which sounds as if The Stranglers remixed it > in the vein of 'Golden Brown' (FELINE) or 'Always the Sun' > (DREAMTIME). The funny thing is, the original 'Neon Rain' > is set at a tempo about 145 beats per minute! > For anyone who likes the music of Giorgio Moroder, > Patrick Cowley, Simon Sousson, and/or Cerrone, this is > oldstyle stompin' Eurodisco with a driving beat, sort of > like Erasure at 45 speed without the overproduction. > Go to http://www.planetganymede.com/ for more info, > and to http://www.planetganymede.com/listen.html to listen > to three of their tracks. > > -- Steven Feldman > + + + + + + + > 'David Bowie told me Brian Eno gave him a record of I Feel Love and said > 'David . . . I heard the future!'' -- Giorgio Moroder, on the UK Channel > 4 television special, 'The UK's Greatest #1 Singles,' on January 6, 2001 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed May 30, 2001 7:11 am Subject: dm3 hi, thanks to conrad gibbons, I have my copy of DM3 now although I couldn't be in London at the gig. After some listening, here my general comments. My fave tracks are those with the Encore, Poland and Logos bits, i.e. Stereolight, Spirit of the Czar, and Comfort Zone. Then I was wondering why. Answer: purely out of nostalgia. Musicwise, those three tracks don't really differ from the rest. Take some old stuff, make it appear on the push of a button, and play drums to it and with it. Plain simple and as we had this now for sooo long it is getting pretty boring. My enjoyment of DM3 then boils down to the 'hey - thats Encore/Poland/Logos' recognition effect. For 'Thief' in 'Diamond and Dust' I couldn't get excited about it anymore for we had this so often, and the innuendos to 'Silver Scale' in 'Prime Time' are weak. Mars Polaris and TGWoC are too recent albums to trigger the nostalgia effect. well, summarised the DM series is getting pretty boring. It is getting too much of the same thing. I really don't need to have every note played by TD on a CD somewhere at home. They don't do anything new ... (then I wonder what that Dante thing will be like). another remark: I find it a bit shameless of the Froese empire not to mention anywhere the significant contributions of Mr Franke, Mr Baumann and Mr Schmoelling on DM3. DM3 contains huge and obvious samples of music to which the above mentioned are main contributors, but the DM3 cover claims that everything is composed by the Froeses. Sure, they may own it from a legal point of view, and they arranged the snippets, but somehow the thing stinks. If I buy a Picasso, a van Gogh and a Mondrian, for instance, cut them to pieces and splice them together with, say, 20% of my own fill-ins, can I really claim that this is entirely mine? Even if I could, I wouldn't do. I'd feel ashamed. a. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27273 Re: dm3 glynn_naughton@h... Wed 5/30/2001 5 KB 27279 Re: dm3 Greg Wed 5/30/2001 3 KB 27282 Re: dm3 Sean Montgomery Wed 5/30/2001 4 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Wed May 30, 2001 8:28 am Subject: TD Track on an sampler Hi all, today I found a Sampler called: OPEN YOUR MIND - a mindbending journey from GOA to TRANCE (2CD) And a Track on this Sampler is from TD - Le Parc ; TD =GOA or TRANCE??? :-))) Regards heiko germany www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Wed May 30, 2001 9:13 am Subject: RE: Real Audio Webcast >If people really want a recording of this I could download it at work and >start a tree, it shouldn't have any drop outs at all, the multicast stream >was encoded at 100kps which wont be a problem. >Let me know. >Cheers >Matt Hi, please add me to the list. Regards heiko germany www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27274 Re: Real Audio Webcast Matthew Stringer Wed 5/30/2001 3 KB 27275 Re: Real Audio Webcast/ shepherds bush empire kingofflies@h... Wed 5/30/2001 2 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed May 30, 2001 11:22 am Subject: Re: dm3 --- In tadream@y..., 'Armin Theissen' wrote: > hi, > > thanks to conrad gibbons, I have my copy of DM3 now although > I couldn't be in London at the gig. After some listening, here > my general comments. > > My fave tracks are those with the Encore, Poland and Logos bits, > i.e. Stereolight, Spirit of the Czar, and Comfort Zone. Then > I was wondering why. Answer: purely out of nostalgia. Musicwise, > those three tracks don't really differ from the rest. Take some > old stuff, make it appear on the push of a button, and play > drums to it and with it. Plain simple and as we had this now > for sooo long it is getting pretty boring. My enjoyment of DM3 > then boils down to the 'hey - thats Encore/Poland/Logos' > recognition effect. > For 'Thief' in 'Diamond and Dust' I couldn't get excited about it > anymore for we had this so often, and the innuendos to 'Silver > Scale' in 'Prime Time' are weak. Mars Polaris and TGWoC are too > recent albums to trigger the nostalgia effect. > > well, summarised the DM series is getting pretty boring. It is > getting too much of the same thing. I really don't need to have > every note played by TD on a CD somewhere at home. They don't > do anything new ... (then I wonder what that Dante thing will be > like). > > another remark: I find it a bit shameless of the Froese empire > not to mention anywhere the significant contributions of Mr Franke, > Mr Baumann and Mr Schmoelling on DM3. DM3 contains huge and obvious > samples of music to which the above mentioned are main contributors, > but the DM3 cover claims that everything is composed by the Froeses. > Sure, they may own it from a legal point of view, and they arranged > the snippets, but somehow the thing stinks. If I buy a Picasso, > a van Gogh and a Mondrian, for instance, cut them to pieces and > splice them together with, say, 20% of my own fill-ins, can I really > claim that this is entirely mine? Even if I could, I wouldn't do. > I'd feel ashamed. > > a. Pretty much in line with my own feelings. I'm very ambivalent about this CD, which I think is fabulous is some places, but which has paradoxically lowered my already low regard for Jerome. I would disagree about 'Prime Time', though, which I rate as an all- time TD classic, but the other points are well taken. As you say, how many more f**cking times do we need to hear that _Thief_ sequencer figure? No matter how classic something is, there comes an 'Enough, already!' point. And the thing about shamelessness really strikes home. It's exactly the word that sprang to my mind. The remixes are well-done, especially the sensational 'Comfort Zone', but when you get down to it they're nothing more than the original music chopped up with new beats and a tiny amount of new music added. Second-division creativity at best. Ironically, three of the men who made that original music have long since moved on to other things, leaving the somewhat pathetic son of their erstwhile boss to scrabble around for the decades-old crumbs from their table, and pretend that they're his crumbs into the bargain. Glynn From: Matthew Stringer Date: Wed May 30, 2001 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Real Audio Webcast I think I've missed the broadcast now :( If it is broadcast again can someone let me know. Matt On Wednesday 30 May 2001 10:13, NEUMANN.H-J@t... wrote: > >If people really want a recording of this I could download it at work and > >start a tree, it shouldn't have any drop outs at all, the multicast stream > >was encoded at 100kps which wont be a problem. > >Let me know. > >Cheers > >Matt > > Hi, > please add me to the list. > > Regards > heiko > germany > > www.opticaldream.de > (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary > Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27275 Re: Real Audio Webcast/ shepherds bush empire kingofflies@h... Wed 5/30/2001 2 KB From: kingofflies@h... Date: Wed May 30, 2001 12:09 pm Subject: Re: Real Audio Webcast/ shepherds bush empire --- In tadream@y..., Matthew Stringer wrote: > I think I've missed the broadcast now :( > shepherds bush empire Hello I recorded the broadcast to audio,(no video) there were a few errors (smaller than 1 min.), but I can live with them I distribute them only by net via Napster or Winmx. Because Napster filters tangerine dream I renamed my mp3's from Shepherds Bush Empire London intro.mp3 16mb Shepherds Bush Empire London part 1.mp3 75mb Shepherds Bush Empire London part 2.mp3 85mb Shepherds Bush Empire London part 3.mp3 35mb into kingofflies-intro.mp3 16mb kingofflies-part 1.mp3 75mb kingofflies-part 2.mp3 85mb kingofflies-part 3.mp3 35mb use winmx , download it at http://www.winmx.com/ ad kingofflies2001 (Napster) to your hotlist and you will be able to find my files I will be on the net from 20:30 till 22:00 CET all days in the week. When you are busy when I quit no problem because winmx has an resume function ;-), so you can try another time greetings from Holland From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Wed May 30, 2001 2:51 pm Subject: Finishing Off our Trade Bear with me, I'm trying to find a list member than worked out a trade with me last year which included a CD of Dream Mixes 3 when it was released. It has been so long now, I've lost the email address of that person, and I've made trades with a number of people on this list, so I don't know where to start other than this list. My name is Alan Cox, and I am asking if you remember making a trade with someone that included Dream MIxes 3 whenever it was released, please email me off list at aslanfan1@a... Thanks! -Alan Cox From: Kevin Bailey Date: Wed May 30, 2001 2:33 pm Subject: LOSE THE BONGOS!!!!!!!! I heard the webcast on sunday and pretty much enjoyed it but I have one thing to say to edgar and jerome:LOSE THE FREAKIN BONGOS!!!! If I wanna hear bongos Ill go to a salsa concert!!....Ive always thought thought that TD was 'electronic music'...and the bongos seemed to over power the music and when they didnt it still screwed up the music. Though not as bad was the guitarist but he sounds like he should be playing in an 80's hairband....he basically sounds like he's trying too hard and his playing did not compliment the music (to tell you the truth I nver liked zlatko perica for the same reason). If I was them I would find a more experimental guitarist...someone who plays with more authority and power. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27278 Re: LOSE THE BONGOS!!!!!!!! Jim Moore Wed 5/30/2001 2 KB 27281 Re: LOSE THE BONGOS!!!!!!!! Kevin Bailey Wed 5/30/2001 3 KB 27289 Re: LOSE THE BONGOS!!!!!!!! DoKToR STRaNGe Thu 5/31/2001 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed May 30, 2001 3:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] LOSE THE BONGOS!!!!!!!! From: 'Kevin Bailey' > If I wanna hear > bongos Ill go to a salsa concert!! mmmm... salsa... > I would find a more experimental guitarist...someone > who plays with more authority and power. Like... I don't know... Edgar? Just a thought... I miss his solos... *sigh* - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27281 Re: LOSE THE BONGOS!!!!!!!! Kevin Bailey Wed 5/30/2001 3 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Thu May 31, 2001 5:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: dm3 > And the thing about shamelessness really strikes home. It's exactly > the word that sprang to my mind. The remixes are well-done, > especially the sensational 'Comfort Zone', but when you get down to > it they're nothing more than the original music chopped up with new > beats and a tiny amount of new music added. Second-division > creativity at best. Ironically, three of the men who made that > original music have long since moved on to other things, leaving the > somewhat pathetic son of their erstwhile boss to scrabble around for > the decades-old crumbs from their table, and pretend that they're his > crumbs into the bargain. > > Glynn For all my training as an artist/painter, I can't seem to put off what TD does without trying to understand what the heck they are doing. Maybe I'm just nieve or something, but I just can't seem to think that a person like Edgar would stoop so low in rehashing just about everything and anything through some generic techno filter - hell maybe that's the secret - they are designing software that instantly 'technoizes' music. I guess having loved the old TD and realizing that they were so much more to the world of music, that I can't just put off what they do now without trying to sense some kind of reasoning artwise for their actions. All I know now is that for the people I am around who have serious closed mind attributes, they like the new 'rockin' TD. They have very short attention spans, and can't wait for the 'noises' to end to get to the guitar. They don't want to think and really could never care about any sort of brilliance in composition. Is that the new TD audience? Greg H. From: mp3 maker Date: Wed May 30, 2001 5:45 pm Subject: OT: pink inside off topic, but it has an offer for a free cd as well.... if anyone gets bored and would like to review a track for me, please DO IT!!!! a good review, not a one liner...but those are cool too. its called PINK INSIDE - radio edit was on 91.1 wrvu nashville a few times. its located at www.mp3.com/frankenstyne use the CONTACT button to let me know. ALSO - ANYONE WITH A LEGIT WEBSITE CONTACT ME. WE CAN EXCHANGE LINKS WITH YOU ON www.hardcorepromo.com talk to you later. ===== electroknot. the music. www.mp3.com/frankenstyne the promoter www.hardcorepromo.com ....it is not a porn site....who is frankenstyne? From: Kevin Bailey Date: Wed May 30, 2001 6:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] LOSE THE BONGOS!!!!!!!! What I meant was someone besides edgar since they seem to want another guitarist besides having edgar or jerome play themselves. Kevin --- Jim Moore wrote: > From: 'Kevin Bailey' > > If I wanna hear > > bongos Ill go to a salsa concert!! > > mmmm... salsa... > > > I would find a more experimental > guitarist...someone > > who plays with more authority and power. > > Like... I don't know... Edgar? Just a thought... I > miss his > solos... *sigh* > > - jim > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush > Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary > Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed May 30, 2001 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: dm3 I got my copy of Dream Mixes 3 today...and while I don't hate it, I'm not all that impressed either. Over all of the boring drum fills I hear the loud sound of water being tread. The same cut and paste formula and synthetic string section sounds are used over and over...Jerome has little talent for sustaining an atmosphere or a groove. He just slaps together a bunch of individual and unrelated sequences, and calls it a song. And as with his previous 'mix' efforts, none of these pieces are particularly danceable. Head-nodding for a minute at a time, but there are too many sudden changes in tempo, too little bass, and the percussion is too namby-pamby. I find it funny how all the songs that Jerome had no role in composing have been given different titles, rather than identified as 'mixes'. Is this a legal issue, or a way to fool us into thinking he actually composed them, as the CD says? While listening to the crappy and disjointed Spirit of the Czar, I was reminded of Edgar's comments in Keyboard Magazine regarding musicians who use samples: 'Sampling has long overstepped the borderline from being helpful to becoming the crutch of helpless musical amateurs and it's not my business to talk about them' I suppose it's okay if a musician samples his dad's music, though. All in all, I'd say that Primetime, Stereolight and (parts of) The Comfort Zone are acceptable (as is Girl on the Stairs, an already released track). Diamonds and Dust is okay, but I'd rather just hear the original. But then there's Spirit of the Czar, which takes one of TDs greatest pieces ever and slays it with the help of some really shite drumming, and Cubase. In the hands of a real remixer, like Paul Oakenfold or Sasha, this could have been fanastic. But that's not what we got. Yuk. I suppose I shouldn't surprised by any of this. We've had several years of the same old same old from TD now, and why I expect them to pull a rabbit out of their asses anymore, I don't know. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Wed May 30, 2001 7:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Real Audio webcast >If people really want a recording of this I could download it at work and >start a tree, it shouldn't have any drop outs at all, the multicast stream >was encoded at 100kps which wont be a problem. > >Let me know. > >Cheers > >Matt *a hand rises here* My own recording attempt went under... well, no more comments. *sigh* -- ------------------------------------------------------ - This page is best viewed with computer and monitor - ------------------------------------------------------ From: 'Scott' Date: Thu May 31, 2001 1:05 am Subject: Near Dark & other ST's What about Sorcerer? The pieces used in the film seem as long as the pieces on the album. But of course, the compositional technique they used for that film was different than any others. Scott From: 'tom george' Date: Thu May 31, 2001 3:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Iris and Edgar -- On Fri, 18 May 2001 12:54:57 Sean Montgomery wrote: > > >'Joel S. Mullen' wrote: > >> What is with Jerome flashing gang signs........ will the next TD >> release be a rap version of TYGER?? >Of course, it could also be that Jerome had some horrible accident and lost two >fingers...which would certainly explain the necessity of all the pre-programming >for the concert. and he also could be saying... 'this is the only thing my fingers have done all night' Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu May 31, 2001 3:26 pm Subject: FYI: FW: File - exit.txt Some of you may not know about it, but I have a message sent out automatically to unsubscribers from our list, and one of the replies is shown below. I've noticed the same thing, of course, probably most of you have. Morgan's DM3 great review was overall positive, but some of the responses to his review made me wonder why some of you are even on this list. Geez! not only do I disagree (I really like DM3), but one of the comments was something like: 'I have nothing negative to say about this song - (so I'll say nothing at all)' Isn't that a bit backwards from what your grandmother taught you, 'If you dont' have anything **NICE** to say, say nothing at all.' Is it me, or is our list lately more about bashing TD than anything positive? I hate to even bring it up, but shall I revisit the idea of full list moderation, filtering out blatant negativity? I try to balance concerns of 'blowing smoke up Edgar's ass' with allowing criticisms of what seem to be legitimate people's legitimate critiques and concerns. As I've said before, we get people coming her because of our links from TD's site, and it would be stupid for them to continue to link to us under these conditions. What is it, with this crowd? I don't have time to go on about htis right now, but I'm getting to that point. any feedback? Joe -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:36 AM To: tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: File - exit.txt Reason for leaving = too much outright criticism of band rather than discussion. Depressing! Not your fault of course. -----Original Message----- From: tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:32 PM To: Andrew Booth Subject: File - exit.txt -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Subject: A couple of quick questions as you leave... Sorry to see you leave our community of Tangerine Dream fans. Sometimes, people unsubscribe because they go on vacation, change their e-mail address, or have other considerations. Hopefully, this is the case with you, and we will see you back soon. Keep in mind that, as a member, you may remain subsc ribed, but easily switch your mail on and off from the onelist.com website- only one of the many benefits of onelist.com, compared to old-style mailing lists. However, if you have unsubscribed because you were dissatisfied with this list, would you please give us some feeback? What were you expecting from the list? Did it not fulfill your expectations? Is there anything we could have done to make it better? Any feedback will be greatly appreciated, as we want only to make this list as beneficial to its members as possible. Sincerely, Joe Shoults, listowner joes@c... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27288 Re: FYI: FW: File - exit.txt Frank Arellano Thu 5/31/2001 6 KB 27295 Re: FYI: FW: File - exit.txt Feldon Feldon Fri 6/1/2001 3 KB 27293 Re: FYI: FW: File - exit.txt glynn_naughton@h... Fri 6/1/2001 4 KB 27296 Re: FYI: FW: File - exit.txt bert.hulshoff@d... Fri 6/1/2001 3 KB 27304 Re: FYI: FW: File - exit.txt Jim Moore Fri 6/1/2001 4 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu May 31, 2001 3:42 pm Subject: okay if a musician samples his dad's music >I suppose it's okay if a musician samples his dad's music, though. I can't help it, this line instantly conjured natalie cole singing over/with her father Nat's voice on that big hit she had with it. Gotta wonder, na'ah--it won't happen for TD. Then again the TD imprint on these DM releases is like Dali signing blank canvasses while others fill them in with paint.... --teiwaz (sampling my own previous emails and others--and it seems more dull now, too) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu May 31, 2001 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] FYI: FW: File - exit.txt I understand your concerns, Joe, but when you mentioned 'full moderation' it reminded me of 'censorship', maybe even TDI's kind of censorship. 8-) I think maybe why there is a lot of negativity is partly due to the fact that TD's music is so different from their 70's stuff to today's music, thus attracting different crowds. I think there are some retro fans here who are still hanging on to what hopes they have left. Sooner or later I believe some of these nay sayers will abandon ship, but you will always have difference of opinions. Myself, I have liked some but not all of TD's music from all three decades, but admittedly I have some reservations about the direction TD seems to be going. There's a world of difference between atmospheric music and techno influenced. 8-/ And if I remember right, didn't Edgar want to release something along the classical side too!? IMO, Edgar does opens himself up to some of this criticism. Criticism isn't necessarily a bad thing either, it's a matter of what we do with it and sometimes we do need a kick in the pants every now and then. To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:26 AM Subject: [tadream] FYI: FW: File - exit.txt > Some of you may not know about it, but I have a message sent out > automatically to unsubscribers from our list, and one of the replies is > shown below. > > I've noticed the same thing, of course, probably most of you have. Morgan's > DM3 great review was overall positive, but some of the responses to his > review made me wonder why some of you are even on this list. Geez! not > only do I disagree (I really like DM3), but one of the comments was > something like: > > 'I have nothing negative to say about this song - (so I'll say nothing at > all)' > > Isn't that a bit backwards from what your grandmother taught you, 'If you > dont' have anything **NICE** to say, say nothing at all.' > > Is it me, or is our list lately more about bashing TD than anything > positive? I hate to even bring it up, but shall I revisit the idea of full > list moderation, filtering out blatant negativity? I try to balance > concerns of 'blowing smoke up Edgar's ass' with allowing criticisms of what > seem to be legitimate people's legitimate critiques and concerns. As I've > said before, we get people coming her because of our links from TD's site, > and it would be stupid for them to continue to link to us under these > conditions. > > What is it, with this crowd? > > I don't have time to go on about htis right now, but I'm getting to that > point. any feedback? > > Joe > > > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:36 AM > To: tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: File - exit.txt > > > Reason for leaving = too much outright criticism of band rather than > discussion. Depressing! > Not your fault of course. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:32 PM > To: Andrew Booth > Subject: File - exit.txt > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > -- > > > Subject: A couple of quick questions as you leave... > > > Sorry to see you leave our community of Tangerine Dream fans. > > > Sometimes, people unsubscribe because they go on vacation, change their > e-mail address, or have other considerations. Hopefully, this is the > case > with you, and we will see you back soon. Keep in mind that, as a member, > you > may remain subsc > ribed, but easily switch your mail on and off from the onelist.com > website- > only one of the many benefits of onelist.com, compared to old-style > mailing > lists. > > > However, if you have unsubscribed because you were dissatisfied with this > > list, would you please give us some feeback? > > > What were you expecting from the list? > Did it not fulfill your expectations? > Is there anything we could have done to make it better? > > > Any feedback will be greatly appreciated, as we want only to make this > list > as beneficial to its members as possible. > > > Sincerely, > Joe Shoults, listowner > joes@c... > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27295 Re: FYI: FW: File - exit.txt Feldon Feldon Fri 6/1/2001 3 KB From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Thu May 31, 2001 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] LOSE THE BONGOS!!!!!!!! hummmm..? I think you must hear 'PIZARRO & ATAHUALLPA' from '78 EDGAR release 'AGES' For me (perhaps for some others ?) it is electronic music & not Salsa. Erick/Dr.Strange. From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu May 31, 2001 7:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] FYI: FW: File - exit.txt Joe Shoults wrote: > I've noticed the same thing, of course, probably most of you have. Morgan's > DM3 great review was overall positive, but some of the responses to his > review made me wonder why some of you are even on this list. As one of the main culprits in the TD slagging department, I feel obliged to defend myself. While most of my posts on the list tend to be critical, I have indeed been a TD fan for over 15 years. I wouldn't have joined the list if I wasn't passionate about the band on some level. I have a rack full of their music. I have gone to their shows and bought their T-shirts. And it's because I *have* been a fan for so long that I complain! If I just didn't care, I wouldn't be here. The great thing about having a discussion forum like this is that it allows people who know and care about this band to share their positive or negative feelings. None of my 'real world' friends even know who TD are, so it's not like I can share my opinions with them. If some people disagree with me, they should feel free to sing TDs praises, and try to sway my opinion. If my arguments cause people to unsubscribe, perhaps that's because my arguments are hitting too close to home for them. Look, it's not that I want TD to go back to the 70s and do a Rubycon 2. It's not the sound of the mellotron that I miss - it's the adventurousness, the atmosphere...the musicianship! I want each album to make me a fan all over again. But if I hadn't been a fan prior to the 90s, I never would have become one today. I would also like to argue, however, that much of my negative attitude towards TD these days comes as much from TDI business practices as it does from the music itself. You see, if a band is going to set up its own label, and deal directly with its fans, I think it presents a wonderful opportunity to be responsive to its fans, and to treat them with respect and openness. But right from day one, I felt that TDI dropped the ball on that one. They take advantage of fans with obscenely priced 'booster' packages, fail to provide basic information like composing credits when they release older material, promise unadulterated concert recordings that are anything but, and show no interest in responding to fan criticism. It's obvious that a lot of people here have the same kind of concerns, but as long as fans keep allowing themselves to get taken advantage of by TDI, nothing will change. Because I care about TD, part of me hopes that if I complain enough, then maybe things *will* change, and I'll get a TD album that I can be excited about again, rather than just say 'it's alright'. Since that doesn't seem likely to happen anytime soon, the question may well be asked, why am I still on the list? I guess I still a closet optimist, in that I hold a small sliver of hope that TD still has greatness in them, and so I hang out here, waiting to hear the verdict about each new album, hoping that my wait is over. Of course, if you wish to make this a moderated 'let us now praise everything TD' list, that's absolutely your right, Joe. But I will be out of here in a flash. I suppose that may cause some of you to rejoice. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27292 Re: FYI: FW: File - exit.txt Heiko Heerssen Fri 6/1/2001 3 KB 27298 Re: FYI: FW: File - exit.txt gmroger@p... Fri 6/1/2001 4 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 3:36 am Subject: DM3 Review Hello All, As mentioned on a well known website, there are some 'Big Dogs' on this list, and there are little pups as well. Well, this has been a great couple of days for this little pup. Just yesterday I received in the mail a T-shirt bought for me at a recent concert of this little known German synth band. (Thanks David!!!) And just today I received a copy of their latest musical release called Dream Mixes 3. (Thanks Duncan!!!) I have to say that of the three tries at remixing there own music, I think this one happens to be the best. Maybe that little saying is true.....The third time IS the charm. Now it is late, and I must go to bed so I might find a job tomorrow. I have listened up to cut 6, and because I am tired, I skipped to the last track, The Comfort Zone, only based on the reviews I have read. I just had to hear this track ASAP. And I must say, having listened to most of the CD, that I really REALLY like this one. And I too think that the Comfort Zone is by far the best track on this release. The Logos CD is tied with Thief as my all time favs in my TD library. So listening to this remix is a great big treat for me. The Froese Boys (as they are lovingly refereed to on a local Jazz station that plays 'New Age' music on Sunday nights) may have tripped once or twice and even stumbled over the last couple of years, but this CD proves that they still have what it takes to put out a great CD. I may not like everything that they have released....and I am like most on this list, I too miss the bygone days of the longer sweeping pieces of the Baumann and Schmoelling eras. But I think in the current times and moods of the buying public, they would be committing professional suicide if they did not change with the times. And even as I age with them, I hope that my times and moods will also changes well. Even as I enter the world in search of new employment, I cannot live in the past and lament what once was, I must look forward and begin this new endeavor........ Ok.....so it is almost midnight and I haven't had much sleep in the last day or two......somebody PLEASE shoot me before I type again!!! Neal Frost <------Professional Bum [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 6:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] FYI: FW: File - exit.txt > I don't have time to go on about htis right now, but I'm getting to that > point. any feedback? > > Joe Joe, what's wrong with the recent postings? Even I wasn't fully convinced with the Shepherds Bush concert and some other people on the list who attended the concert seem to have had the same feelings about it, and Dream mixes 3..well I like it but as far as I remember there hasn't been any recent release from Tangerine Dream that caused enthusiastic responses (apart from Antique dreams maybe), the reactions were rather mixed. And since this concert & cd were the main discussion topics you may have the impression that it turned into a 'bashing list'. But this seems to be the nature of a mailing list (I must admit that TD is the only band where I am a subscriber to a mailing list ;-) Heiko From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 7:11 am Subject: Re: FYI: FW: File - exit.txt >From: Joe Shoults >Date: Thu May 31, 2001 3:26 pm >Subject: FYI: FW: File - exit.txt >Is it me, or is our list lately more about bashing TD than anything >positive? Joe, are you sure you're reading the same list as the rest of us? My impression is that things have been eminently even-handed recently. Anyway, here are some samples from recent posts: >Just a few loose thoughts here : >Sounds like mixed reviews in general of the Shepherds Bush concert. >I just picked up DM3 today and while I am most definitely and >solidly in the Virgin years preference camp I really like what I've >heard so far ..... >I think this album suceeds where TD's other attempts at >techno/(whatever subgenre) failed... This one is nicely balanced..... >Poly >Yes sometimes the bongos did not fit nor did guitar always add to >the music as mentioned. For example when the sequencers were already >playing drum lines and she bongo-ed on top anyway. (However, The >drummer sure did have a lot of energy!) But over all it looked like >a lot of fun and I wish I was there and Ihope to see them play in >the states. >Bu, nevertheless, it was Edgar and Jerome up there, and I'd waited a >long time to see them, and I really did want to enjoy myself. And, >in truth there was still a lot to enjoy. The Logos remix didn't >convince initially, but soon won me over and was possibly the >highlight of the evening. It was nice to hear Livemiles and Force >Majeure too, and of the newer stuff the Mars Polaris selections (of >which there were quite a few) sounded especially good. Is this 'blatant negativity'? It all seems pretty balanced from here. The only thing that has drawn pretty much unadulterated criticism recently is the bogus composing credit on DM3, which surely even the most rabid Edgar-and-Jerome apologist would have a hard time justifying. And anyway, I don't recall a single post from this Andrew Booth bloke. Perhaps instead of taking his ball home in a sulk he could have brought something to the table himself? Glynn From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 6:21 am Subject: Fans vs. Fanatics On Thu, 31 May 2001 11:26:34 -0400 Joe Shoults writes: >[. . .] one of the comments was something like: > > 'I have nothing negative to say about this song - (so I'll >say nothing at all)' That was me. >Isn't that a bit backwards from what your grandmother taught >you, 'If you dont' have anything **NICE** to say, say nothing >at all.' I tried to find what prior TD was related to DM3 tracks that other TD fans felt had no antecedent. I have championed some TD from the last 4 years pretty relentlessly, both onlist and offlist. But when Edgar foists crap in our faces, I'm not going to gulp it down, smile, and ask for more. Any fan who thinks a band -- especially one as prolific as TD -- can do no wrong is not a fan but a fanatic. And I'm not even going to mention Edgar Apologists, who are dwindling in numbers every time Edgar commits another heinous act of misrepresentation. Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Feldon Feldon Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 1:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] FYI: FW: File - exit.txt At 10:51 AM 5/31/2001 -0600, you wrote: > I understand your concerns, Joe, but when you mentioned 'full >moderation' it reminded me of 'censorship', maybe even TDI's kind of >censorship. 8-) I think maybe why there is a lot of negativity is partly >due to the fact that TD's music is so different from their 70's stuff to >today's music, thus attracting different crowds. I know Joe's statements aren't directed towards me, just want to throw out some insight... I have NEVER judged TD based on whether it 'sounds as good as their 70's stuff'. I STARTED with Miracle Mile, Turn of the Tides, Rockoon, and 220 Volt. As much as I loved them when I heard them, and for the ensuing months, once I purchased Logos, Force Majeure, Pergamon etc., I realized how compositionally thin the later stuff was. I don't think Dream Mixes I, II, or III are masterpieces. They don't hold a candle to the concerts and discs from TD's 1974-1987 glory. But the three Dream Mixes discs bear more interest for me than ANYTHING ELSE (besides maybe 220 Volt) released since 1989. If I were judging from 1989-present, I'd give DM1-3 all 5 stars. As it stands, DM1 still gets 4.5 stars from me, DM2 gets 3 stars, and DM3 gets about 3.5 stars. At first, DM3 rubbed me the wrong way, then I really started to like it, but after maybe 20 plays, the disc is already getting a bit old. Maybe it will be an occasional play. The only explanation is that Edgar thinks the sequences of the 70's and 80's are primitive. So he feels he must add all of this extra stuff. It is a shame that he feels this way because it means that he looks down on groups like Airsculpture and Free System Projeckt. -Morgan From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 1:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] FYI: FW: File - exit.txt Now I Must react: SOMETHING POSITIVE I started listening to TD with 'Encore'. Lost contact after Underwater Sunlight/Tiger and got interested again with Rockoon. I think old and new td are still the best. TD has many faces I like. the only weak period for me was the time with Haslinger. BUT EVEN then TD was better than someone else. All those new groups are just clones. I am not an fanatic, but TD has an soundcolour no-one else has. Free System Project / Radio Massacre International /Kubusschnitt etc. are good, but I keep with TD. Even those Dreammixes are better than all drum 'n' bass crap I have heard ;-). (I really enjoyed the broadcast) Greetings Bert > > I understand your concerns, Joe, but when you mentioned 'full > >moderation' it reminded me of 'censorship', maybe even TDI's kind of > >censorship. 8-) I think maybe why there is a lot of negativity is > partly > >due to the fact that TD's music is so different from their 70's stuff to > >today's music, thus attracting different crowds. > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 1:37 pm Subject: bogus composing credit on DM3 >The only thing that has drawn pretty much unadulterated criticism recently is the bogus composing credit on DM3, which surely even the most rabid Edgar-and-Jerome apologist would have a hard time justifying.< Too true. Can't use a mistranslation as an excuse for that one--franke and baumann are certainly spelled the same way in both languages. I can allow some leeway with the umlaut in schmoelling. Does Jerome's picture included on an album in the 1970s really qualify him to claim compositional credit on everything since--I mean perhaps he was a source of Edgar's inspiration, but gimme a break. I'd much rather see Jerome's mom get more writing credit (not just photography) as a 1970s member then. Presumably she was the source of inspiration for Jerome :) Did the Mona Lisa become more or less of a work of art after someone sprayed it with graffiti? An absurd Mona Lisa remix as it were. Ok, maybe the Mona Lisa was a bad example--it's not that appealing to me. So the remix may actually have made it better, but I think not. As for the recent SBE concert--what I was able to hear from the webcast really reminded me of the Perth Tapes from the I-box. Cue the CD of force majeure or Logos or ??? and let Iris and that other guy play over the top. Guess TD should go ahead and just give them the exclusive writing credit 'cause after all they must've been the composers. Weren't Edgar and Jerome there virtually in name only anyway? At least in the 1970s you were pretty sure that at least one of the composers on stage was actually playing something--not just pushing play on a hightech version of a tape deck (or midi data box or sampler). Joe, please don't start moderating/censoring the list. The Elephant Talk mailing list for fans of King Crimson suffers greatly from that form of totalitarianism because of it. And the Ozric Tentacles mailing list seems to need no moderation whatsoever (even with the occasional slagging of various governments) and the constantly off-topic topic. Of course, I do recall that part of the reason this list was to be moderated in what seemed like the first place was for the possibility of some choice nuggets to be kicked down from TD. That really appears to not be happening and may have in fact been more wishful thinking that anything. I quit the TDIFC 'cause there really didn't seem any point in waiting for something like taht to happen. Of course, eventually and naturally after I left one release surfaced. Only to be made available again much later to the general public with an extra track and a new cover. Exploited as I want to be, --tei (crossposting this for somewhat obvious reasons) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: gmroger@p... Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 3:05 pm Subject: Re: FYI: FW: File - exit.txt Is it me, or is our list lately more about bashing TD than anything positive? What is it, with this crowd? I don't have time to go on about htis right now, but I'm getting to that point. any feedback? (Joe) Because I care about TD, part of me hopes that if I complain enough, then maybe things *will* change, and I'll get a TD album that I can be excited about again, rather than just say 'it's alright'. Since that doesn't seem likely to happen anytime soon, the question may well be asked, why am I still on the list? I guess I still a closet optimist, in that I hold a small sliver of hope that TD still has greatness in them, and so I hang out here, waiting to hear the verdict about each new album, hoping that my wait is over. Of course, if you wish to make this a moderated 'let us now praise everything 'TD' list, that's absolutely your right, Joe. But I will be out of here in a flash. I suppose that may cause some of you to rejoice.' (Sean Montgomery) Actually, I certainly wouldn't rejoice at you leaving Sean! Whilst I don't always agree with your comments, I know you to be a pretty knowledgable chap (having contributed articles to 'Voyager' magazine), and I do think of you as a genuine fan. It's perhaps fair to say that some of the criticism has come from such fans - maybe it is a little bit of yearning for the old days. I've resigned myself to the fact that those days are gone, but for me, TD's current work is still head and shoulders above a lot of the rubbish around. DREAM MIXES THREE really should be given another chance from all you doomsayers - it really isn't that bad. I would even rate it above DM2. But some of the business practices have come for a little bit of, in many cases, justifiable criticism. But Edgar & Jerome are perhaps keen to move on - maybe the technology they're using now doesn't allow them to be so 'creative' (not being a synth expert, I'm sure many of you will put me right!), but who knows - maybe this 'classical' CD will completely surprise us all. Put this into contrast with one of our TD heroes, Chris Franke. Who can say that all the stuff he's put out is exciting? It's all TV fodder. I had to give up on him, but when he eventually releases a 'proper' studio album I'll give it a listen. Only a handful have been really 'bitchy', perhaps using language they shouldn't be using, and not putting together something really constructive. But all the members I met at the concert are a pretty intelligent and sensible bunch, and I think that whilst they may not be happy with the band's current output, there'll always be a place for Edgar in their hearts. :-) So, for those of you thinking of leaving - we do love the band. We just care, that's all. Stick with us. Roger Hartopp -- Kamera wideo Sony, 5000 zl wygraj w konkursie eMarketu i Onet.pl [ http://konkursy.onet.pl/emarket ] From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 3:37 pm Subject: Rumpelstiltskin For those of you (very few I guess) who are able to watch Swedish Television it might be of interest to know that TV 4 will run Rumpeltstiltskin tomorrow night, starting at 1:00 or maybe 1:05. It isn't much of a horror movie but I thought I should mention it because of the TD-connection. /Olle From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin Hi Sorry to dissipoint you olle, and all the other swedish folks, but the Rumpelstiltskin that tv 4 is showing is not the movie that TD did the musik to. Totta olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > For those of you (very few I guess) who are able to watch Swedish Television > it might be of interest to know that TV 4 will run Rumpeltstiltskin tomorrow > night, starting at 1:00 or maybe 1:05. It isn't much of a horror movie but I > thought I should mention it because of the TD-connection. > > /Olle > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 3:57 pm Subject: FYI: FW: File - exit.txt - feedback Hi Joe, Having been on this list for a few years now, I'm recognizing members who seem to have the same taste in TD-music as I have. This makes the list a useful resource as a review posted by a likeminded person gives a good idea about what I can expect from a new release, concert etc. Furthermore I see a huge difference between negativism and criticism, where the first would be something like; 'This stinks, this sucks, this is boring', ponto final and criticism would be ' This one sucks because bla, bla, bla' (The blas standing for the reason as to why it sucks). I agree with Frank in that moderation, the way you mention it, seems like censorship. If this turned into a 'good, good, excellent, marvellous' -list, it'd certainly be a lot less interesting to follow. I wonder if it wouldn't be a better option to simply let go of the link to the Official TD-site if something necessarily needs to be done. As a forum for free-minded fans I think this list works just fine. Have a good Weekend Olle From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 4:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin A friend of mine on this list has told me that TD's Rumpelstiltskin is actually pretty good, but the price of it sends me running in the opposite direction. Any other opinions on this CD? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:37 AM Subject: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin > For those of you (very few I guess) who are able to watch Swedish Television > it might be of interest to know that TV 4 will run Rumpeltstiltskin tomorrow > night, starting at 1:00 or maybe 1:05. It isn't much of a horror movie but I > thought I should mention it because of the TD-connection. > > /Olle > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27303 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Kees Fri 6/1/2001 2 KB From: Kees Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 4:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin At 10:06 1-6-01 -0600, you wrote: >A friend of mine on this list has told me that TD's Rumpelstiltskin is >actually pretty good, but the price of it sends me running in the opposite >direction. Any other opinions on this CD? Hi Frank, It's indeed an excellent soundtrack. First on the CD is music+story and then there's the separate music. Very relaxing. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 4:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] FYI: FW: File - exit.txt From: 'Joe Shoults' > Is it me, or is our list lately more about bashing TD than anything > positive? I hate to even bring it up, but shall I revisit the idea of full > list moderation, filtering out blatant negativity? > I don't have time to go on about htis right now, but I'm getting to that > point. any feedback? Hey, Joe! As someone who was unsubscribed from the list for over a year for the reasons mentioned above, I came to a few understandings: 1. I have my preferences and other people have theirs. In a realm as subjective as music 'criticism', I've learned to basically ignore most other people's opinions; even those I agree with. Motivations and preference development are unique to each individual. Besides, it's not like we're discussing religion or politics, here... 2. For what this is worth, Internet discussion groups should never be considered to be proportionate samples of the population at large. Those with either the most free time or motivation (or both) are the most vocal There are many others who don't have the time or desire to post every opinion, and that's not taking into consideration all those not subscribed to the list. 3. There have been some great friendships started on this list -- many of us are here to continue the correspondance. This list is also a great source for information for events, merchandise, and etc. This is still worth more to me than having to hit the delete key a few more times. 4. As much as I may disagree with some opinions, not allowing them to be heard is censorship, which is something I have a hard time rationalizing in almost any forum. I don't have to read every message posted. (And thanks to the addressing features of this list, those of us who have the more elaborate mail readers can flag messages from certain list members with whom we *always* disagree... hee hee!) That's just my opinion, and I could be wrong... - jim From: ampmusic Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 4:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: FYI: gmroger@p... wrote: > Is it me, or is our list lately more about bashing TD than anything positive? The possibility should be acknowledged that a band which use to be good, could become bad, and do bad things to its fans, ex-members, and record labels. The fact that TD are not actually on a record label anywhere in the world now is not without its explanations. Word does get around. On a happier note, UK readers might have noticed 'Shy People' getting an airing (BBC2 today, Friday 1st June 12.20pm, or Saturday 00:20am if you prefer). On the subject of films, I seem to have a few spare original PAL VHS titles (boxed, original inserts); 'Red Nights', 'Near Dark', 'The Park Is Mine', and 'Firestarter', plus 'Pointman' (Haslinger), and will be happy to let them go inexpensively or exchange for anything interesting if anyone wants to mail me offlist; happythoughtsaboutedgar@a... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27314 Re: FYI: Michael A Jean Sat 6/2/2001 2 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 8:01 pm Subject: Off Topic - Ozrics Went to the Scala to see the Ozrics last night. Man what a gig. The Shepherds Bush thing was just OK, but these guys, fuck. Blew me away, it's been too long. Anyone know if they have more gigs in the UK? From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 8:36 pm Subject: TD for newbies again Hello everyone, Going back to that compilations thread, I've considered all that I've read about what you did, and I've just made this compilation for an Oldfield fan who thought TD was crap - he had heard only the Pink Years compilation, and Atlantic Walls (or Atlantic Bridges?). So I sent him W.Eagle the track in MP3, and Mysteriuos Semblance (which didn't do much for him) (!!!) So this is the compilation I've made - I think this is the best one I've ever made. The period from which these tracks are is 75-86. I was going to put Elf June from GC which is very good, but then decided to put Warsaw in the Sun instead - which is better. It begins with the loudness of the first three notes of Pergamon, for a first impact: 1. Quichotte part 1 intro (0:00-4:55, which includes the essential Tangram theme) 2. Ricochet part 2 first half (0:00-13:45) (some sequencing for a long start) 3. Force Majeure parts 2-3 (the rocking minutes and the unforgettable sequence which are between the dark atmospheric intro and 4th part) 4. Hyperborea (to slow down - and isn't this a great track? it seems to be very underrated. at least the album seems to be.) 5. Stratosfear (can't ever be forgotten) 6. Tiergarten (one of the greatest piano moments) 7. Cloudburst Flight (its intro is still calm as Tiergarten, so they seem to flow nicely) (now playing) (and it's calm ending also smoothly leads to the piano intro of the next track) 8. Song of the Whale part 2 (great piano, great guitar, it's end-of-side sounding fits it's place as the last big track in the CD. it also seems to have a little of everything: good piano, good guitar, some little sequencing in the background) and then, these kind of encores: 9. Warsaw in the Sun part 1, from the single 10. Force Majeure part 5 (11:56-15:53, just before the ending), that astonishing sequence they used to play to finish the concerts in the early 80s, which the audience always welcomed with big applause. I liked this tracklist so much that I think I'll make a copy for myself. It shows a wide variety of styles. It's not massive in sequencing, but it has a good dose of it; nothing seems to be missing in this collection. I gave it a simple, generic title: 'A Collection Of TD Tracks'. The total playing time is 73:46. I also carefully faded out when necessary, and cut the unnecessary silent seconds in the tracks. that's it for now, GJ - waiting for an opportunity to hear the recent concert and also DM3, but not dying to get them. i've been in a kind of schulze fever. never got so many ks cds in such a short period of time. got blackdance, picture music and mirage in just one order, they were like 20% off. mirage is indeed a masterpiece, despite being kind of hard to listen, and the others are very good. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27335 Re: TD for newbies again j.gordon Tue 6/5/2001 5 KB From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 9:04 pm Subject: Feedback to Joe's post Hey all, just wanted to post some feedback here in regards to what Joe had posted on the digest. First of all, I DID want to admit while I'm an absolutely huge fan, I by NO MEANS have the indepth knowledge of Tangerine Dream like some fans I have had the fortune to chat and/or trade CDR stuff with, nor do I have the background and informational knowledge about TD that some of the fans do (you're great, I wish I knew half of what you've probably forgotten about the band's past), BUT at the same time, Joe is right. The same situation is happening on another mailing list I've been on for SEVEN YEARS. If you're going to bash, insult, criticize, and be derogatory against a band, why would you want to be on their mailing list? (well, maybe not 'their', but a mailing list like this, that is dedicated to that band). Don't you have better things to do than stay on a mailing list for a band you cannot stand and you despise? WHY? I would think you'd want to be doing other things with your time. ME? I happen to absolutely LOVE the music of Tangerine Dream. I am learning new things every day about TD, their music, the people behind it, and anything else I can learn. I'm thankful there is a band like TD out there, and if they chose to make a COUNTRY INSTRUMENTAL CD, yes, I'd buy it, cuz it's Tangerine Dream. IF I wasn't a fan, I wouldn't be here. I'm sorry to see people leaving under such bad terms. I'd love to see posts from fans 'well, I want to stay on the list, but I'm not online enough' or 'well, I can't keep getting this volume of mail' or something. INSTEAD, we end up reading posts that the fans left cuz they think that the flame wars, arguments, and criticisms of the band are too much to read. Pretty sad I think, and I'm a new fan. Imagine what the NEWER ONES might think if they read some of this? I love this list, don't get me wrong, but if all someone wants to do is insult and criticize a band, why bother being on their mailing list? dan P.S. AND nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head, making them listen to music from certain bands. If you're that disgusted with the music, find another band. It's that easy. If I don't like a band, I find another one to listen to. Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com TeslaGroup, ChristianRockMusic, TheTradingCircle Found HERE! http://www.yahoogroups.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), MSN Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Scott' Date: Sat Jun 2, 2001 12:13 am Subject: Re: File: Exit.txt Speaking as a co-moderator (albeit a fairly quiet one) I must say that I am against censoring messages that slag the band, but I also think it's up to us, when slagging, to maintain a mature, respectful attitude towards our criticism. As much as I like TD, I freely admit that thei output for the last... 12 or 14 years has been at best, uneven, and their business and artistic practices certainly leave something to be desired, but they're still my favorite band, and I will always treat them with respect. That said, I don't think we should moderate unless someone really goes over the edge. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27310 Re: File: Exit.txt Frank Arellano Sat 6/2/2001 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Jun 2, 2001 1:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: File: Exit.txt My.... you are a quiet one, Scott. 8-) I agree with everything that you said. I think one can slag / critique TD and still be half-ass respectful about it too. TD has done too for me for me to ever treat them disrespectfully . But I don't think anybody here has crossed that line ... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Scott' To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 6:13 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: File: Exit.txt > Speaking as a co-moderator (albeit a fairly quiet one) I must say that I am > against censoring messages that slag the band, but I also think it's up to > us, when slagging, to maintain a mature, respectful attitude towards our > criticism. As much as I like TD, I freely admit that thei output for the > last... 12 or 14 years has been at best, uneven, and their business and > artistic practices certainly leave something to be desired, but they're > still my favorite band, and I will always treat them with respect. That > said, I don't think we should moderate unless someone really goes over the > edge. > > Scott > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'colin anderson' Date: Sat Jun 2, 2001 1:55 am Subject: Re: List Moderation Joe, Don't get too caught-up with what's been hitting the list lately. Ok - there's overall more negative-td thoughts going around, but there's loads of positive contributions as well. It's just that there needs to be more of them as there's a load of lurkers that don't tell us what they think. The whole point about a list like this is that you've got to be prepared to take the rough with the smooth. If you'd to start filtering things, we'd risk ending-up with a list that is full of the gushy, gooey 'my kids are called Logos and Tangram' comments that frequent the TD guestbook. I welcome the harder comments we get (no names mentioned) and whilst I more often than not don't agree with them and think they're one-sided, I recognise - and I'm sure a load of others do - that's it's out of passion and frustration with what TD is doing on all sorts of things. That's different from repeated contributions that just go along the lines of 'TD are crap' and have nothing to say apart from that. If someone new comes to the list and isn't prepared to accept a bit of band criticism and recognise the point of the contributor, then they're better off where they belong - swapping slush on the TD guestbook. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: vic rek Date: Sat Jun 2, 2001 5:47 am Subject: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 Well fans, it's been over a month since the second Okefenokee gathering has concluded and it still seems like it was yesterday to me. Maybe this is why my post is so late. You've probably had a chance to read the detailed posts that some of the guests posted over the last month and I hope you enjoyed them. I sure did, especially since I was there and I could relate to the stories. Those posts gave some very good insight into the experience and we have a few web sites providing a visual documentary at: http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2001/ http://www.softbase.co.uk/as/okefenokee/index.html (Airsculpture's Site) I think we have a few more also... The purpose of the Okefenokee Gathering was to unite fans of Tangerine Dream and electronic music in an exotic place for a unique experience. This mission was accomplished and everyone that made the effort to attend has a lifelong experience to remember. This was the second such gathering that grew from a few pioneers from the first gathering to a small group of around 16 for the second. The group of musicians has also grown, which for 2001 included Free System Projekt (Marcel Engels), Dave Brewer, Airsculpture (John & Pete) and Bill Fox. It was amazing how these musicians were able to get together and create world class live EM without a group rehearsal. Most of the music was recorded and there is a plan to release a CD (or double CD) sometime later this year. This music is required listening in my opinion and I hope you support the musicians when this music is released. The great part about the trip I have to mention is that we got to experience how this music was so intimately created amongst the group of musicians and fans. It felt like one big EM family having a adventure for four days and all living together and helping each other out. We has a perfect balance of music, nature, wildlife, adventure, great food and never-ending fun and laughter. So, having said that, I must now start working on organizing the next Okefenokee Gathering for 2002. The event is limited in the number of people that can attend, so I suggest that if you are interested that you contact me now so you'll have a spot for next April. I am initially looking at reserving 5 cottages which can sleep anywhere from 25 to 40 people, depending on if some guests will double up on queen beds or bring sleeping bags. Since it is difficult to get cottage reservations for April, I must start now. For next year, only a few aspects of the trip will change in order to smoothly accommodate a larger group. 1. Payment will have to be made in full and in advance. 2. You will receive an invoice showing what you paid for and be registered with the group. 3. You will have a reserved bed or a pre planned sleeping arrangement that you will be comfortable with. More details will be available in the next few months, but I strongly recommend that if you're up for this gathering, please send me an e-mail so I can start making a tentative list of guests. The guests that attended this year will most likely be back again next year. I should also mention that this may be the last consecutive year we have the gathering at the Okefenokee Swamp in Southern Georgia. We may take this event on the road for 2003 to another exotic location, so don't miss out this time if you want to experience the swamp. Also keep your eye out for a new organization name and logo that will designate this annual EM celebration! Vic Rek, Producer/Organizer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27320 Re: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 Deborah Johnson Sun 6/3/2001 2 KB 27347 Re: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 Bill Fox Wed 6/6/2001 3 KB 27365 Re: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 Deborah Johnson Fri 6/8/2001 3 KB 27369 Re: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 horrod6 Sun 6/10/2001 2 KB 27372 Re: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 Jim Moore Mon 6/11/2001 3 KB 27449 Re: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 Deborah Johnson Sun 6/17/2001 5 KB 27462 Re: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 Armin Theissen Tue 6/19/2001 2 KB 27452 Re: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 Deborah Johnson Sun 6/17/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Jun 2, 2001 8:53 am Subject: Re.File Exit txt Hi all I do not express many opininons on this list,but I do question sometimes why some people are members as they seem to slag off TD as a pastime,perhaps they would be better off on Beyond EM which seem to have great pleasure of rubbishing TD later output. I have been a fan since 79 and must admit to getting a bit disorientated with there output early to mid 90's but I stuck with them and I believe they are again producing great music not bad for a band that as lasted over 30 years. Since I got this computer about 18 months ago and discovering all this info on TD which I had not got since TDIFC finished it has been great getting hold of CD'S that I did not know existed and it has now given me the oppurtunity to try and get all there soundtracks (spending A fortune on E Bay). I admit to being a great fan of the Schmoelling period and not so of the early years but now trying to get into that picked up Alpha Centauri second hand off a market stall this week and was quite surprised by it especially the second track,hoping to get all of the early stuff soon. TD is not the only EM I like,big fan Of Robert Schroeder,Schmoelling of course,and in recent times discovering the likes of Arcane,Nemesis and Paul Nagle,nearly forgot Mark Shreeve solo output,but at the end of the day TD will always be Number one in my book. Sorry if I bored you all felt like saying something. Cheers Gary PS.Gustavo I agree with your comments on Hyperborea a truly awesome track. From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Jun 2, 2001 1:45 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: FYI: I think they are on their own label by choice.... Perhaps you mean a distributor... MJ > > The fact that TD are not actually on a record label anywhere in > the world now is not without its explanations. Word does get around. > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: D.Nigbur@r... Date: Sat Jun 2, 2001 3:02 pm Subject: Re: Photo in Harveys Standing in the back row, next to Roger, with the green-ish shirt, that's me. Marion Horrod is standing further to the right of the picture. And her husband, Dave, is at the far right - chap with grey hair, half-turned. Dennis --- In tadream@y..., gnmorgan@b... wrote: > Back row with red hair/glasses and wearing combat trousers is > me... > > Gary. > http://www.gnmorgan.btinternet.co.uk > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > > Hi all, > > Just got the film developed which included one of the photos > that were taken > > in Harveys. Those of you who didn't venture downstairs to the > quieter bar > > in the basement can now see who you missed :-) > > > > I apologise to those of you who are not named (a combination > of a bad memory > > and meeting so many people at once), if you recognise > yourself or anyone who > > is not named please get in touch and I will add you to the list. > > > > Here's the link: > > > > http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/TDfans.html > > > > Cheers > > > > Paul From: GCall10692@a... Date: Sat Jun 2, 2001 4:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin In a message dated 6/1/01 12:18:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, farellano@s... writes: > HI all In regards to the Rumpelstiltskin cd its pretty good there is some excellent keyboards at the end of Kathleen Turner's story if you get a chance to hear it, do so I was lucky and found this disc by accident at a used disc store and since there was no jewel box for it the owner gave it to me.... free.... as in no charge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Phil White' Date: Sat Jun 2, 2001 4:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin Hi All Not wishing to be avaricious but how much is a mint copy of Rumplestiltskin ( Long Box ) commanding then ?? Curious Phil --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.256 / Virus Database: 129 - Release Date: 5/31/01 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27319 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Kees Sat 6/2/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Jun 2, 2001 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin If I remember right, anywhere from forty to fifty five dollars 8-/ ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Phil White' To: Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin > Hi All > Not wishing to be avaricious but how much is a mint copy > of Rumplestiltskin ( Long Box ) commanding then ?? > > Curious Phil > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.256 / Virus Database: 129 - Release Date: 5/31/01 > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Kees Date: Sat Jun 2, 2001 10:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rumpelstiltskin At 17:49 2-6-01 +0100, you wrote: >Hi All >Not wishing to be avaricious but how much is a mint copy >of Rumplestiltskin ( Long Box ) commanding then ?? > >Curious Phil $53.00 at http://www.groove.nl/ One copy left. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Sat Jun 2, 2001 4:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 Vic: > So, having said that, I must now start working on organizing the next Okefenokee > Gathering for 2002. The event is limited in the number of people that can > attend, so I suggest that if you are interested that you contact me now so > you'll have a spot for next April My husband and I are interested in going to Okefenokee next April, but have a few questions to ask first. Can you contact me offline? Mucho thanks! Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:41 pm Subject: Homepage update!!! Hi all, www.opticaldream.de update 03.06.01 update: NEWS update: Sampler update: Concertrecordings (with Shepherds Bush Concert - picture`s will folow) update: Miscellaneous NEW: ElektroBeats CDR 09.05.01 Jerome Froese live Studio Guest Regards heiko germany www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:46 pm Subject: item`s for sale Hi all, all item`s that where not sold by my first auction , you can buy it now for the Minimum bid. look under: www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm order email: auctionmaster@o... Thank you. Regards heiko germany www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27608 item`s for sale NEUMANN.H-J@t... Mon 7/9/2001 3 KB From: gyedid@p... Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 8:48 pm Subject: [OT] Attention Frank Stephen!!! Sorry for the OT here guys... Is Frank Stephen still reading this list? If you are Frank, please contact me off list regarding DWT...I tried sending mail to your Buffalo.edu address but no reply, not even a bounce. Email me @: gyedid01@y... cheers, Gabe From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:26 pm Subject: Tangram/Hyp. cover scans needed Hi folks, I'm trying to make a cover for that compilation I told you about earlier, and I thought about making a plain mosaic with the covers of the albums from which I took samples. The official site has only the old ugly framed Virgin covers; I've tried some other sites but couldn't find the original ones. So, could anyone send me, or point me to a site where I can find the original CD covers (I mean, from the remastered CDs) for Tangram and Hyperborea? I only have those CDs with the framed covers, so I can't scan myself. Thanks in advance GJ np song o'the whale pt.2 from the collection. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27325 Re: Tangram/Hyp. cover scans needed Matthew Sawyer Mon 6/4/2001 2 KB 27326 Re: Tangram/Hyp. cover scans needed Antonio Nunes Mon 6/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Mon Jun 4, 2001 12:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangram/Hyp. cover scans needed From: 'Gustavo Jobim' > So, could anyone send me, or point me to a site where I can find the > original CD covers (I mean, from the remastered CDs) for Tangram and > Hyperborea? I only have those CDs with the framed covers, so I can't scan > myself. http://www.allmusic.com/ Though the pictures might be too small for your needs. Maff ________________________________________ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ From: Antonio Nunes Date: Mon Jun 4, 2001 10:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangram/Hyp. cover scans needed Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > I'm trying to make a cover for that compilation I told you about earlier, > and I thought about making a plain mosaic with the covers of the albums > from which I took samples. The official site has only the old ugly framed > Virgin covers; I've tried some other sites but couldn't find the original ones. > > So, could anyone send me, or point me to a site where I can find the > original CD covers (I mean, from the remastered CDs) for Tangram and > Hyperborea? I only have those CDs with the framed covers, so I can't scan > myself. You can find lots of covers, including the ones you're looking for at Joe Shoults' tadream page. Go to http://yourplacepc.com/tadream/tadream.net/ and click on 'Album List'. You'll find a real mosaic of TD covers :-) Antonio From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Jun 4, 2001 11:28 am Subject: Wallraff Bootleg CD ???? Hi all, today I received an email from Uwe Herold, and he write me, that your matrix number of the Original CD is:PAT 7956172 MPO 02 @@@ and my Matrix Number of the Bootleg (?) CD is: M7E4 7956172 It is true , it is a fake or a second press of EMI France???? Regards heiko germany www.opticaldream.de (update: 03.06.01) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27328 Re: Wallraff Bootleg CD ???? herold.u@t... Mon 6/4/2001 4 KB 27331 Re: Wallraff Bootleg CD ???? Phil White Mon 6/4/2001 3 KB From: herold.u@t... Date: Mon Jun 4, 2001 1:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Wallraff Bootleg CD ???? Hi dreamers, don't know if i'm wrong, but i think the 'l'affaire wallraff'-CD with matrix number M7E4 7956172 is not a original release. Everyone who owned this cd, please listening to track 2: there is a slight 'crack' over total running time and at 1.41 min. there is a big 'crack'....like you playing a old, scratched vinyl. On the whole cd are more striking moments.....it's terrible! Anyone got this cd too? cheers, Uwe np: 'l'affaire wallraff' **original release** ;-)) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 1:28 PM Subject: [tadream] Wallraff Bootleg CD ???? > Hi all, > > today I received an email from Uwe Herold, and he write me, that your matrix number of the > Original CD is:PAT 7956172 MPO 02 @@@ > > and my Matrix Number of the > Bootleg (?) CD is: M7E4 7956172 > > It is true , it is a fake or a second press of EMI France???? > > Regards > heiko > germany > www.opticaldream.de (update: 03.06.01) > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: ampmusic Date: Mon Jun 4, 2001 1:44 am Subject: Re: TD Reviewed Loads of new synthesizer music titles reviewed on the EMIX (Electronic Music Information eXchange) website. Take a look at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emixcds.html for informative free reviews of Klaus Schulze, Keller & Schoenwalder, Lutz Ulbrich, Tangerine Dream, James Johnson and scores more. Useful, objective, musically-oriented reviews, because they're not trying to sell you anything - though almost all reviews have active links through to the artists or their websites if you like the sound of the new releases. Bookmark EMIX and check back every month for new reviews... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27334 Re: TD Reviewed scfeldman@j... Tue 6/5/2001 3 KB From: ampmusic Date: Sat Jun 2, 2001 2:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: FYI: Hmmmmm...you'd have to ask some of their (many) ex-labels about that. No, I don't mean distributors. Clearly they have distributors. Michael A Jean wrote: > I think they are on their own label by choice.... Perhaps you mean a > distributor... > > MJ > > > > > The fact that TD are not actually on a record label anywhere in > > the world now is not without its explanations. Word does get around. > > > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Phil White' Date: Mon Jun 4, 2001 10:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Wallraff Bootleg CD ???? Hi Uwe and interested parties I have this Cd with the matrix number mentioned but the prefix is PAT and not M7E4 so maybe you do have a pirate copy ! My copy exhibits no crackles and sounds fine even on headphones. Track 2 plays perfectly. It's on EMI France and all the wording on the disc is in French with the exception of the track titles. All the best Phil NP: Projekt Erde Mysterious Vibration ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Wallraff Bootleg CD ???? > Hi dreamers, > > don't know if i'm wrong, but i think the 'l'affaire wallraff'-CD with matrix > number M7E4 7956172 is not a original release. > Everyone who owned this cd, please listening to track 2: there is a slight > 'crack' over total running time and at 1.41 min. there is a big > 'crack'....like you playing a old, scratched vinyl. > On the whole cd are more striking moments.....it's terrible! > > Anyone got this cd too? > > cheers, > Uwe > > np: 'l'affaire wallraff' **original release** ;-)) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.256 / Virus Database: 129 - Release Date: 5/31/01 From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 8:32 am Subject: Re:Dream Mixes Three Okay, having had the album in my possession now for nearly four weeks, it's now my turn to try and give an objective review of the album. The Sleeve. Interesting that little has been said about the packaging, aside from the absence of credits to Chris Franke & Peter Baumann. Is this an example of, 'If it's crap, say something about it, if it's not, say nothing?' Certainly the sleeve is a considerable improvement of the rather uniform-looking series of sleeves on most of the TDI releases so far. Nice, dark, moody photograph of Edgar and Jerome, and I quite like the 'flying saucers' that back the list of titles. To give the album its full title, it's 'Dream Mixes Three - The Past Hundred Moons'. As far as I can make out only one typo occurs this time, the album being 'perfomed'. But I think Jerome should be at the very least sharing the producer's credit, Edgar now having claimed sole producer credit to every release and re-release (bar Virgin) since 1990's 'Melrose'. But otherwise, the sleeve bodes well for what's to come. It is also interesting to note that while many of us have complained about the rather minimalist playing of Edgar and Jerome at the concert, the two of them have (what appears to be) sole credit on the album's performance (if you don't count the samples taken from the old tracks). What is of note is that the publishing and copyright dates have returned, so we have the first TD album which finally acknowledges itself as a release in the 21st century. Prime Time (10.19). When I first heard this track at the concert, I was quite knocked out about it, although there was something familiar about it. Certainly, if we're looking for a remix of an existing track somewhere, 'Silver Scale' has to be it. It starts impressively, but gets rather lost around the four minute mark (like the middle sections on a lot of tracks on 'Rockoon'), and never really recovers or goes back to the energy at the start. I quite like the 'spacey' ending though. Astrophobia (Red Supernova Mix) (8.27) The first two Dream Mixes albums concentrated on reworking Edgar and Jerome's compositions, and in all examples brought in a much needed breath of fresh air to their work (for me, the three reworked versions from 'Tyranny of Beauty' were a much-needed kick in the teeth for those tracks, and I'd be all in favour of a Dream Mixes version of the entire album!). But the two pieces represented here on the album are a diappointment. The better of these is 'Astrophobia', which just simply isn't as good as the Mars Polaris version. But those who thought 'Astrophobia' was a little overated may find this version better. 'Stereolight' (8.09) Remixed from 'Cherokee Lane', 'Monolight' and 'Coldwater Canyon' from Encore, this isn't bad at all. Basically a composition in two parts, the first mix comes from the closing bars of 'Coldwater', with the drums and additional chords. The second is a tape-looped section from 'Monolight' with rhythms and additional backings, and I can imagine this going down quite well in a club (so it's not to everybody's taste then!). The piece closes with two further extracts from 'Cherokee Lane' and 'Coldwater Canyon' or, depending how you look at it, 'Oedipus Tyrannus Overture'. You have to take the whole track in one go to appreciate it. 'Diamonds and Dust' (9.06) Criticised not because it's a poor track, but being the umpteenth reworking of the synth sequence to 'Diamond Diary' (Scrap Yard, The Park is Mine (main title), Silver Scale, Horns of Doom, Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal), it's easy to see why the band love this. Initially the modern mix into a classic piece seemed an intrusion, but one soon gets used to it, and the combination of a heavy synth sequence and digital drums works well. 'Blue Spears' (8.45) The one track that at this time I can't readily find a TD composition of a similar nature. It's a slight change of pace to what's gone before, but enjoyable nevertheless. Hard to take in at first as it's a new composition, but it's a definite grower and after a few more listens has become one of my favourite tracks on the album. 'Meng Tian' (Smart Machine Remix) (8.01) Perhaps the most disappointing track on the album, originally an E & J composition from 'The Great Wall of China', and, I have to say, not a patch on the original. But I suppose the problem here is that I'm comparing it to an already existing track, and maybe if I hadn't heard GWOC I might rate this higher. I'm playing it again now as I write this, but it just doesn't seem to work for me at all until the main chords sweep in to give the track a bit of body. But oh-so-quickly it goes back to percussive rhythms that don't really take it anywhere... 'Girl on the Stairs' (6.55) Most of us are already familiar with this piece, which can be found on the 'Limited World Tour Edition 1997' as 'Maedchen on the Stairs' (also known as 'Das Madchen auf der Treppe'. Oh yes, and 'White Eagle'), recorded in March 1997, making good the promise on the EP 'These tracks may appear on future Tangerine Dream albums'. So shouldn't the recording credit reflect this or have I simply not noticed subtle differences in the re-recording? Putting all this aside, it's a good version in itself, and perhaps the least 'Dream Mixed' of the tracks (if I can say that)... 'The Spirit of the Czar' (7.33) A percussion sequence during the first minute leads into 'Poland', and I have no doubt that when the band play this in Warsaw on September 1, it'll bring the house down. Actually, what do you bring down if you're playing an open-air concert? The rain, probably. It isn't until the third minute that something really new is overlaid on the track, and so this version arguably has had the least work done to it. But wait - the fourth minute, voices come in, and now 'Poland' has gone to be replaced with an all-new composition. Five and a half minutes later, 'Poland' is back, but with modern instrumentation added. Pretty lively stuff. 'The Comfort Zone' (8.49) Perhaps the best reworking of an old TD track, in this case, 'Logos'. I remember it going down well at the concert (although I have to confess I had to think for a few minutes before I realised what it was!). Hello, what's this? Who let Gary Numan in? All in all, it works very well and I enjoy it very much. Comments. As regards the 'Dream Mixes' series goes, this was just nudges ahead of 'DM2', but still falls behind 'DM1' which, for me, didn't really contain a duff track. 'Meng Tian' is the only weak one here and the album works best if you listen to it in one go. The TD traditionalists will perhaps baulk at the reworkings of the old tracks, but on the whole they have been done well. It's not the greatest album in the world, but it's certainly not their worst, and would go into my top five albums by Eddy & Jerry (no, I am NOT bringing that back again!) It's definately the antithesis of 'Seven Letters from Tibet' so if you didn't like that, you'll like this. Recommended. Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27355 Blue Spears glynn_naughton@h... Thu 6/7/2001 2 KB 27360 Re: Blue Spears Roger Hartopp Fri 6/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 12:17 pm Subject: Looking for Jeff Bergman Hi there As the Jeff Bergman's e-mail address i have is not a valid one, does someone could give me the right one ? Jeff is one of the Dreamwatchers' Tales contributors and i want to contact him for the new vol. Jeff if you see this message contact me offlist Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Jun 4, 2001 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Reviewed On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 01:44:49 +0000 ampmusic writes: > Take a look at > http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emixcds.html > for informative free reviews of Klaus Schulze, Keller & > Schoenwalder, Lutz Ulbrich, Tangerine Dream [. . .] I love this quote from the review of SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET: 'The upside is that if you walked into a music store, connected together any three modern synthesizers with MIDI cables and played on them for forty nine and a half minutes, you could make this album yourself.' Hee hee! Steven Feldman, who loves ambient space music, but only when it's good [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 2:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD for newbies again hey, gj... THIS is an awesome tracklist... i'm going to put this together for myself... very cool... ?=^) j.gordon... --- Gustavo Jobim wrote: > Hello everyone, > Going back to that compilations thread, I've considered all that I've read > about what you did, and I've just made this compilation for an Oldfield fan > who thought TD was crap - he had heard only the Pink Years compilation, and > Atlantic Walls (or Atlantic Bridges?). So I sent him W.Eagle the track in > MP3, and Mysteriuos Semblance (which didn't do much for him) (!!!) > > So this is the compilation I've made - I think this is the best one I've > ever made. The period from which these tracks are is 75-86. I was going to > put Elf June from GC which is very good, but then decided to put Warsaw in > the Sun instead - which is better. > > It begins with the loudness of the first three notes of Pergamon, for a > first impact: > 1. Quichotte part 1 intro (0:00-4:55, which includes the essential Tangram > theme) > 2. Ricochet part 2 first half (0:00-13:45) (some sequencing for a long start) > 3. Force Majeure parts 2-3 (the rocking minutes and the unforgettable > sequence which are between the dark atmospheric intro and 4th part) > 4. Hyperborea (to slow down - and isn't this a great track? it seems to be > very underrated. at least the album seems to be.) > 5. Stratosfear (can't ever be forgotten) > 6. Tiergarten (one of the greatest piano moments) > 7. Cloudburst Flight (its intro is still calm as Tiergarten, so they seem > to flow nicely) (now playing) (and it's calm ending also smoothly leads to > the piano intro of the next track) > 8. Song of the Whale part 2 (great piano, great guitar, it's end-of-side > sounding fits it's place as the last big track in the CD. it also seems to > have a little of everything: good piano, good guitar, some little > sequencing in the background) > and then, these kind of encores: > 9. Warsaw in the Sun part 1, from the single > 10. Force Majeure part 5 (11:56-15:53, just before the ending), that > astonishing sequence they used to play to finish the concerts in the early > 80s, which the audience always welcomed with big applause. > > I liked this tracklist so much that I think I'll make a copy for myself. It > shows a wide variety of styles. It's not massive in sequencing, but it has > a good dose of it; nothing seems to be missing in this collection. I gave > it a simple, generic title: 'A Collection Of TD Tracks'. The total playing > time is 73:46. I also carefully faded out when necessary, and cut the > unnecessary silent seconds in the tracks. > > that's it for now, > GJ - waiting for an opportunity to hear the recent concert and also DM3, > but not dying to get them. i've been in a kind of schulze fever. never got > so many ks cds in such a short period of time. got blackdance, picture > music and mirage in just one order, they were like 20% off. mirage is > indeed a masterpiece, despite being kind of hard to listen, and the others > are very good. > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: wyslannik@y... Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 3:27 pm Subject: SBE recording - again Hi TDers ! I'm posting again about SBE recording. Is anybody from UK who has this recording and wants to trade with me ? Please, contact me offline. Cheers Jakub Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27339 Re: SBE recording - again Piotr Sulkowski II Tue 6/5/2001 3 KB From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 6:54 pm Subject: DM3 I enjoy this album. Usually play tracks 1,3,8 and 9 the most. Roger Hartopp mentioned the cover. It looks to me like the dial on the central heating thermostat or washing machine. Have you noticed the numbering sequence on it? Does that mean we are in for DM4, 5 and 6? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 6:57 pm Subject: footers The footers to messages keep mentioning meeting before the SB concert. Are the powers that be going to change that to meeting before the Poland open air concert or some pub in Bernau? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 7:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] SBE recording - again Kuba oni ci nie dadza. Dostaniesz u nas :) Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium http://sulas.fm.interia.pl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: [tadream] SBE recording - again > Hi TDers ! > > I'm posting again about SBE recording. Is anybody from UK who has this > recording and wants to trade with me ? Please, contact me offline. > > Cheers > Jakub > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > --------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A---------------------- Wybierasz sie gdzies? Zaplanuj sobie nocleg! >>>> http://turystyka.interia.pl/id/bank/noclegi/www/bazy/pbn From: horrod6 Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 8:09 pm Subject: SBE - extraordinarily late post Yes, I was there. Had a great couple of hours meeting people in the pub beforehand, including 'the competition for the ladies toilet' - I'm sorry, I've forgotten your name, but we were joking about how we never have to queue for the loos at EM concerts, because 99.99% of the audience are male. And I had to fight off your boyfriend who wanted my tangerine TDI-logo'd T-shirt. Great to put faces to so many names, even if I have forgotten some of the names that go with the faces! How civilized to find a venue where you could take your beer into the auditorium. But what about the concert? Well, I had a grrrreat time. I really enjoyed the music. Sure, it wasn't like it was in the 70's - but did anyone honestly expect it to be? And I can't agree with whoever said it wasn't good music for dancing. Despite being on the first floor because I can't stand up for that length of time, I was wriggling away nearly as much as Iris. I couldn't believe that all those people downstairs were standing like statues. I don't think E&J were miming - they'd have put more effort into it, surely? But what do I know, I'm not a musician. But I agree the mixing was awful: the percussion was much too far forward in the mix, and where I was sitting the guitar was practically inaudible. At least Iris was fun to watch: the guitarist might as well not have been there as far as I was concerned (until Purple Haze). I assumed, b.t.w. that this was intended as a bit of a laugh, especially with the 'rock-god posturing' but I didn't feel it was an appropriate final encore to this particular concert. As for the 'light show' - why did they bother? Even 60's school discos were better than this. (And what was the significance of the cut-out of three linked humanoid figures with the centre one halo-ed - Saint Edgar, perhaps?) Overall I felt it was worth the money and effort. I'd do it again - and I might even risk a downstairs ticket now I know I'm not likely to get trampled on. But pleeeeease, if you're listening guys, bring someone with you who knows how to mix for a venue like this, and hire a decent lighting designer/engineer. LnH Marion From: horrod6 Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 8:09 pm Subject: Negativity I think my feelings have been covered by various other people, but I'll just put in my two penn'orth while I'm in the mood. The reason people write negative things is because they _care_. If they didn't care they wouldn't be contributing to the discussion - they'd just stop buying TD if they didn't like the output. There's an old saying 'if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem' - in other words, if you see something wrong and don't do something about it, it's partly your fault if it doesn't get fixed. Because we know that people from TDI are members of this group, it's used as a feedback channel. That's us doing our bit to be part of the solution. I see nothing wrong with criticism as long as it's expressed with respect both for the artist and for other members of this group, and is reasoned - I don't like this because...., or I would have liked this better if... If we have to lose our link to the TDI home page to be able to have this level of discussion, then so be it. Better that than censorship. On the other hand, I'd be quite happy to see the moderators ask contributors to consider rewriting a post if they feel it's simply abusive. I felt that some posts in the past stepped over that line, descending almost to the kindrgarten level at times ('Oh yeah? And you're another.' type stuff), but nothing in the last few months. Basically, as long as we all behave like grown-ups, I can't see that there's a problem. LnH Marion From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 4:17 am Subject: Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Edgar Froese's Birthday Date: Wednesday, June 6, 2001 Time: 12:30AM - 1:30AM EDT (GMT-04:00) Edgar Froese born this day, 1944. From: vic rek Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 5:35 am Subject: Tenchi Muyo! In Love I just picked up the US laserdisc release of 'Tenchi Muyo! In Love'. It comes nicely pacakged in a box with many inserts promoting the Chris Franke soundtrack CD. Also, to my surprise, there was a LP sized booklet that had two large pages devoted to Chris Franke's studio in Holloywood. It shows 5 cool pictures of his studio, talks about how he records his music and lists a discography, among other nice tidbits. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27344 Re: Tenchi Muyo! In Love Yannick EDOM Wed 6/6/2001 2 KB 27345 Re: Tenchi Muyo! In Love Synthhtnys@a... Wed 6/6/2001 2 KB 27353 Re: Tenchi Muyo! In Love gyedid@p... Wed 6/6/2001 2 KB From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 7:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tenchi Muyo! In Love Hi there > I just picked up the US laserdisc release of 'Tenchi Muyo! In Love'. It > comes nicely pacakged in a box with many inserts promoting the Chris > Franke soundtrack CD. Also, to my surprise, there was a LP sized > booklet that had two large pages devoted to Chris Franke's studio in > Holloywood. It shows 5 cool pictures of his studio, talks about how he > records his music and lists a discography, among other nice tidbits. > Vic About the DVD (zone 1, US) of this movie you can find in the bonus section an interview with Chris Franke explaining his work on the soundtrack and his composing work in general. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 6:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tenchi Muyo! In Love About the DVD (zone 1, US) of this movie you can find in the bonus section an interview with Chris Franke explaining his work on the soundtrack and his composing work in general. *Very interesting thanks! Could someone possibly review the music? Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27353 Re: Tenchi Muyo! In Love gyedid@p... Wed 6/6/2001 2 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 5:12 am Subject: Re: [tangerinedream] Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 -----Original Message----- From: vic rek To: tadream@yahoogroups.com ; tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 02, 2001 1:45 AM Subject: [tangerinedream] Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 >[...snip...] You've probably had a chance to read the detailed posts that >some of the guests posted over the last month and I hope you enjoyed them. I >sure did, especially since I was there and I could relate to the stories. Those >posts gave some very good insight into the experience and we have a few web >sites providing a visual documentary at: >http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2001/ >http://www.softbase.co.uk/as/okefenokee/index.html (Airsculpture's Site) >I think we have a few more also... I've assembled a fairly extensive page that points to all the sites and posts that I noticed. It's linked from my personal home page. If you find that I've left out anything, please let me know! >It was amazing how these >musicians were able to get together and create world class live EM without a >group rehearsal. Some of us might say that it ALL was just a rehearsal! ;-) The jam was great fun for me. It was like starting at the top! I had never played in that style before and, as the newbie, to be allowed to tag along with the experts/tops in the genre was a privilege and a pleasure. After collecting the tools of the trade, it was fantastic to be allowed to put them to use. It'll probably be years before I could do anything remotely as high quality (compositionally) on my own. Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 5:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Johnson To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 03, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 >My husband and I are interested in going to Okefenokee next April, but have >a few questions to ask first. Can you contact me offline? Hi Deborah, Since many/most of the people who attended this year's Okefenokeefest are right here on the mailing list, please feel free to ask us your questions in public. We'll all be happy to gush (publicly and/or privately) about the event. I've already contacted Vic off-list to reserve me a spot for next year. Cheers, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From: 'koulos' Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 1:12 pm Subject: OT :jean michel Jarre sorry for this but could anyone sujest the apropiate equitment for recording JMJ concert in athens in Hrodes Atticys Odeion ? [its the open air theatre beneath Acropolis ] any recomentation would be fine thnxs in advance kostas from athens [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 2:10 pm Subject: Dante howdy, y'all... got my tickets to the 23:00 showing in Bernau last week... i'm very interested to see what they play... strange though, as the ticket shows the Froese boys, and then two other men, whom i take to be guitarist and percussionist... it looked like zlatko and emil, but to be honest, it could be almost anyone... i was lead to believe that we can expect some sort of classical composing... 'purple haze', while a classic, is not necessarily classical... i wonder if they are just reusing old promo photos or if they plan to have their 'standard' line up of guitar and perc. in addition to the keys... anyone planning a git-together before the early show?... and then an after-the-git-together-git-together for those of us relagated to the second showing? =) np: livemiles (where do you think they got the spanish intro for this?) j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Felna Greymane Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 3:00 pm Subject: Unofficial Recordings Cover art Hello everyone. I wanted to post a note to the lists to let you know that our attempt to make a comprehensive collection of boot/fan recording insert art is nearing completion. I am soliciting for any additional artwork that anyone would like to have (and that should be) included. There will be no commercial TD artwork included. We currently have over 500 titles of art (several with multiple different covers). You can see the current list at: http://www.geocities.com/greymane98/Unofficial_Recording_Art.html If you have additional titles, please contact me or Totta Rydqvist so we can make sure to have as complete a collection as possible. At this time please do not send requests for this disc. Some method of distribution will be worked out shortly. Jeff Stevenson greymane@k... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27351 Re: Unofficial Recordings Cover art wyslannik@y... Wed 6/6/2001 2 KB 27354 Re: Unofficial Recordings Cover art jowers Wed 6/6/2001 2 KB 27364 Re: Unofficial Recordings Cover art vic rek Fri 6/8/2001 3 KB From: wyslannik@y... Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 4:02 pm Subject: Re: Unofficial Recordings Cover art Hi, --- In tadream@y..., Felna Greymane wrote: > Hello everyone. > > I wanted to post a note to the lists to let you know that our attempt to > make a comprehensive collection of boot/fan recording insert art is nearing > completion. I am soliciting for any additional artwork that anyone would > like to have (and that should be) included. There will be no commercial TD > artwork included. We currently have over 500 titles of art (several with > multiple different covers). You can see the current list at: > > http://www.geocities.com/greymane98/Unofficial_Recording_Art.html > I think, good idea is to put all of the covers (scans) on web - thumbnails and full-size jpg's. Is it posslible to make it ? Cheers Jakub PS. Check some covers my friend from Poland made: http://sulas.fm.interia.pl/html/moje_projekty.html From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 4:24 pm Subject: Re:Dream Mixes Three (Blue Spears) Alright Roger!, I was starting to feel alone, everyone has dissed this track up to you. I also enjoy 'blue spear' I have found myself checking the title on this track several times. Someone already said this reminds them a little of 'culpa levis' from DM2, I agree and would also suggest parts of 'poland' and 'flashpoint'. Its got that feel of a old western movie soundtrack. The sequencer runs remind me of a horse galloping, which has always been one of my favorite TD sequencer styles. Steve Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 08:32:03 -0000 From: 'Roger Hartopp' 'Blue Spears' (8.45) The one track that at this time I can't readily find a TD composition of a similar nature. It's a slight change of pace to what's gone before, but enjoyable nevertheless. Hard to take in at first as it's a new composition, but it's a definite grower and after a few more listens has become one of my favourite tracks on the album. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: gyedid@p... Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 7:22 pm Subject: Re: Tenchi Muyo! In Love --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > *Very interesting thanks! Could someone possibly review the music? > Poly It's pretty much Franke's standard symphonic film stuff, with even fewer overtly 'electronic' passages than the last season of B5. If you like that aspect of his work, then you'll find this terrific, but if you were hoping for a return to the old TD/London Concert sound, you'll be greatly disappointed. Gabe From: jowers Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 10:44 pm Subject: Re: Unofficial Recordings Cover art >I wanted to post a note to the lists to let you know that our attempt to >make a comprehensive collection of boot/fan recording insert art is nearing >completion. Jeff, Thanks for the update and thanks for seeing this almost to completion. I know you've been working on it for a while. Good luck and can't wait to see it, Kevin From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Thu Jun 7, 2001 6:30 am Subject: Blue Spears >From: 'Roger Hartopp' >Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 8:32 am >Subject: Re:Dream Mixes Three >'Blue Spears' (8.45) The one track that at this time I can't readily >find a TD composition of a similar nature. It's a slight change of >pace to what's gone before, but enjoyable nevertheless. Hard to take >in at first as it's a new composition, but it's a definite grower >and after a few more listens has become one of my favourite tracks >on the album. Quite a few folks have said that 'Blue Spears' is a new composition, but isn't it a remix from _Oasis_? I don't have the CD to hand to verify this, and apart from 'Flashflood' and 'Waterborne' I only ever gave it a cursory listen, so I could be wrong. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27360 Re: Blue Spears Roger Hartopp Fri 6/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Jun 7, 2001 1:10 pm Subject: [tadream] The Keep promo LP is a fake Hi all, There have been some rumours flying around that an original copy of the Keep promo LP has finally surfaced, but they are ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE. Certain 'believers' have been getting a bit excited about it, but I can assure you all that after a detailed inspection of the available evidence it seems that some (relatively) clever work with computer graphics and music software has been going on. You will find a detailed track by track analysis and description at the following address: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/keepunofficial.html Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27357 Re: The Keep promo LP is a fake Feldon Feldon Thu 6/7/2001 2 KB 27358 Re: The Keep promo LP is a fake scfeldman@j... Thu 6/7/2001 4 KB 27366 Re: The Keep promo LP is a fake vic rek Sat 6/9/2001 3 KB 27368 Re: The Keep promo LP is a fake scfeldman@j... Sat 6/9/2001 3 KB 27371 Re: The Keep promo LP is a fake Micheal_Catone@H... Mon 6/11/2001 4 KB 27384 Re: The Keep promo LP is a fake vic rek Wed 6/13/2001 4 KB 27397 Re: The Keep promo LP is a fake Klaus Beschorner Wed 6/13/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Thu Jun 7, 2001 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep promo LP is a fake At 03:10 PM 6/7/2001 +0200, you wrote: >Hi all, > >There have been some rumours flying around that an original copy of the Keep >promo LP has finally surfaced, but they are ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE. Certain Looking at the back cover... As if the obviously digitalized (probably from their website) Virgin logo, added T in 'Supernatural Accomplice', misspelling of Michael Mann, and alteration of the picture in general don't give it away, how could the text, graphic, and picture frame be blurry, but the edge between the picture frame and the white, and the white and the inner square be razor sharp? Plus the picture frame looks digitally stretched and blurred. And they would NEVER have picked the same names as the bootleg. It's so obviously a fake. The front cover looks a bit altered too and the picture frame is obviously a fake. -Morgan From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Jun 7, 2001 6:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep promo LP is a fake On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:10:17 +0200 'Paul Fellows' writes: >There have been some rumours flying around that an original >copy of the Keep promo LP has finally surfaced, but they >are ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE. Certain 'believers' have been >getting a bit excited about it, but I can assure you all >that after a detailed inspection of the available evidence >it seems that some (relatively) clever work with computer >graphics and music software has been going on. Notice that I did not make any rash proclamations about this item here nor anywhere else. Well, the person who 'owns' this item never sent me a copy of it like he said he would, so I have yet to hear it myself. And as for the front and back cover, I knew that that was not the for-real cover right away, and told him so (because I'd seen the real LP, remember, in 1984), which caused a story to be told that that was the outer slipcover, not 'the real cover.' This real cover was supposed to have different track names and running times and be sent out to certain people, but it never happened. Also, even if this 'test pressing' had turned out to be legit, that would not have legitimized what I saw in 1984, because a test pressing does not prove the existence of a commercial release, however accidental and limited it was. Ah well. I admit to having been excited. I had thought that this 'test pressing' contained more music than the commercial release because of its being a test rather than a final product, but now that distinction seems moot. My quest continues. >You will find a detailed track by track analysis and >description at the following address: > >http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/keepunofficial.html Interesting. Thanks. >Paul -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | | 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Jun 7, 2001 6:00 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] The Keep promo LP is a fake Morgan, Just for your information, there is a picture frame around every image on my site! It's just there for purely aesthetic resaons, because of the name 'Dream Gallery'... Paul ---------- >De : Feldon Feldon >Ŕ : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : Re: [tadream] The Keep promo LP is a fake >Date : Jeu 7 juin 2001 17:18 > > At 03:10 PM 6/7/2001 +0200, you wrote: >>Hi all, >> >>There have been some rumours flying around that an original copy of the Keep >>promo LP has finally surfaced, but they are ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE. Certain > > Looking at the back cover... > As if the obviously digitalized (probably from their website) Virgin logo, > added T in 'Supernatural Accomplice', misspelling of Michael Mann, and > alteration of the picture in general don't give it away, how could the > text, graphic, and picture frame be blurry, but the edge between the > picture frame and the white, and the white and the inner square be razor > sharp? Plus the picture frame looks digitally stretched and blurred. And > they would NEVER have picked the same names as the bootleg. > > It's so obviously a fake. The front cover looks a bit altered too and the > picture frame is obviously a fake. > > -Morgan > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Jun 8, 2001 7:53 am Subject: Re: Blue Spears Okay, I'm going to get the Oasis CD out and see which comes close... Roger Hartopp --- In tadream@y..., glynn_naughton@h... wrote: > Quite a few folks have said that 'Blue Spears' is a new composition, > but isn't it a remix from _Oasis_? I don't have the CD to hand to > verify this, and apart from 'Flashflood' and 'Waterborne' I only ever > gave it a cursory listen, so I could be wrong. > > Glynn From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Jun 8, 2001 9:47 am Subject: Pictures of the SBE concert Hi Gang, I just noticed that you now can see some pictures from the recent Shepherds Bush concert, they have been added onto the official TD homepage. The URL is http://www.tangerinedream.de/sbe2001/ Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27362 Re: Pictures of the SBE concert Duncan McKee Fri 6/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Fri Jun 8, 2001 11:07 am Subject: Re: Pictures of the SBE concert it is a shame they are not bigger :-( but they are nice. Duncan --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Hi Gang, > I just noticed that you now can see some pictures from the recent > Shepherds Bush concert, they have been added onto the official TD > homepage. The URL is > > http://www.tangerinedream.de/sbe2001/ > > Heiko From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Jun 8, 2001 9:27 pm Subject: Covers for that TD collection for newbies hello everyone, Because some people got interested on that compilation I've made, I'm sharing with you the cover I've assembled. I have uploaded the files to our Files page. You can find them on the yahoogroups page (www.yahoogroups.com/files/tadream), and there's also a link to it on the official list site (www.tadream.net). They're on the folder called Collection of TD tracks. The front cover is a mosaic of album covers, and it includes on the back page brief descriptions with a bit of historic background and the band lineup for each track. Thanks to you who helped me getting the covers. It's 783 kb. There are two versions of the back cover: one with the track lengths, another without the lengths. I've put the Ricochet back cover picture (Froese, Franke and Baumann) to illustrate, and also did an imitation of the Majeure painting as background. Also, I've put the URLs for the official site and our list site. So that makes a sort of pocket reference guide for newbies: album covers, photos, history and the music. The one with the lengths is 305 kb, the other is 291 kb. The JPGs are big, because of the high quality required (text and detailed cover). For those who want top quality or who would like to improve the covers, or simply to print them in a easier way, I've also uploaded the original CorelDRAW 10 file. I recommend it to anyone who can open the file. It has already the front cover and the back cover, ready to be printed. It's 2.81 MB. The covers turned out to be better than I expected, I hope you like them too :) best regards Gustavo Jobim From: vic rek Date: Fri Jun 8, 2001 2:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Unofficial Recordings Cover art Thanks for the nice effort. I think getting these covers together is a great idea, but this may be a never-ending task. I for example have a whole bunch of CD-Rs that are not mentioned on the list, but I just won't have the time to spend on scanning covers. I'm sure there are plenty of other collectors out there with the same dilema. Vic Felna Greymane wrote: > Hello everyone. > > I wanted to post a note to the lists to let you know that our attempt to > make a comprehensive collection of boot/fan recording insert art is nearing > completion. I am soliciting for any additional artwork that anyone would > like to have (and that should be) included. There will be no commercial TD > artwork included. We currently have over 500 titles of art (several with > multiple different covers). You can see the current list at: > > http://www.geocities.com/greymane98/Unofficial_Recording_Art.html > > If you have additional titles, please contact me or Totta Rydqvist > so we can make sure to have as > complete a collection as possible. At this time please do not send > requests for this disc. Some method of distribution will be worked out > shortly. > > Jeff Stevenson > greymane@k... > From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Thu Jun 7, 2001 11:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 Bill: > Since many/most of the people who attended this year's Okefenokeefest are right > here on the mailing list, please feel free to ask us your questions in public. > We'll all be happy to gush (publicly and/or privately) about the event. I've > already contacted Vic off-list to reserve me a spot for next year. My husband and I are very interesting in going. He visited the area years ago and has a lot of interesting memories. Also, we lived in Rome, Georgia, at the other end of the state, for about five years. Our son, Ben, was born there and we are still frequent visitors to Atlanta. Roger (my husband), is fond of TD, but is not the compulsive collector I'm becoming. We are friends with a past participant, Tom George, who had a lot of good things to say about the gathering, and it got me interested. I also heard that there was only one other female from the list attending (!). Roger is very garrulous, and friendly and interested in about everything and everyone, so I won't be suprised if he doesn't become an expert after attending. Not that I'm particularly shy, just compared to Roger, I'm a bit on the quiet side. I have also visited the websites and checked out other reports, and if next year's is half and great as this year's, then we'll be lucky folks! It does look like a place that I will bring a quart of tick repellent, though =;o] Adios, Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: vic rek Date: Sat Jun 9, 2001 6:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep promo LP is a fake I have to go on the record and say that I believe that this LP DOES exist, BUT as a bootleg from a tape taken from the studio. I DO NOT believe that this is a promo or stock LP release of The Keep. The CD-R of this LP reveals some of the issues that may have people believe that it's a fake. But just because the music is stuff we're familiar with (i.e. Logos and the Keep Blue Moon, etc.), then why can't this music be legitimate Keep music or demos that were considered for the soundtrack? I believe the source of this LP is legitimate, but not the LP itself (remember the music from Wavelength?). As a side note: The Polish TD fan list just had a female (its first?) join the discussion group and the daily e-mails tripled from about 20 per day to about 60 today :) Vic Paul Fellows wrote: > Hi all, > > There have been some rumours flying around that an original copy of the Keep > promo LP has finally surfaced, but they are ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE. Certain > 'believers' have been getting a bit excited about it, but I can assure you > all that after a detailed inspection of the available evidence it seems that > some (relatively) clever work with computer graphics and music software has > been going on. > > You will find a detailed track by track analysis and description at the > following address: > > http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/keepunofficial.html > > Paul > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sat Jun 9, 2001 4:48 am Subject: How Do You Make Text Look Decent over Image Files? Hi, I didn't want to ask this here, but none of my offlist queries bore fruit, and so many people are giving URLs to pages of wonderful CD covers, so here goes: How do you make text look decent over image files? Whenever I choose the 'T' text icon in Adobe Photoshop and try to superimpose text over a GIF or JPG, the end result is fuzzy, badly defined characters. How do get the text to show up crisply and clearly? PLEASE REPLY TO ME *OFFLIST*. -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - ar402004@b... [ElectronicMusic@o..., 6/27/99] said: 'Live, Tangerine Dream is the electronic equivalent of Millie Vanilli.' DaNo [ElectronicMusic@o..., 6/27/99] rejoined: 'Finally, someone who puts it into perspective no one can deny.' Ho ho. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sat Jun 9, 2001 6:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep promo LP is a fake On Sat, 09 Jun 2001 02:01:11 -0400 vic rek writes: >I have to go on the record and say that I believe that this >LP DOES exist, BUT as a bootleg from a tape taken from the >studio. Gee, that's really going out on a limb -- considering that there are photos of it on the web and everything. X-0 >I DO NOT believe that this is a promo or stock LP release >of The Keep. Yep, and what a shame. I was looking forward to being able to hear a non-TANGENT-ized version of (some of?) the music that wound up on the TDI Special Edition CDs. At any rate, I just won from eBAY an 80-page French magazine with 200 photos that is devoted to just two movies that were marketed in late 1983: THE RIGHT STUFF and THE KEEP. It was a good year for Scott Glenn, at any rate. ;) > Vic Steven Feldman, Stymied Again (Molasar's revenge) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27371 Re: The Keep promo LP is a fake Micheal_Catone@H... Mon 6/11/2001 4 KB From: horrod6 Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 5:37 pm Subject: Re: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 Deb wrote: 'I also heard that there was only one other female from the list attending (!).' Yep, that was me. I had a great time - the guys did all the housework . There's an extremely lengthy post somewhere in the archives from me, so I don't propose to go into it all again. Suffice it to say that I plan to go again next year if I possibly can. Feel free to e-mail me off-list if you have any 'girly' questions. And you're right about the tick repellant - and every other noxious insect you've ever heard of. LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27372 Re: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 Jim Moore Mon 6/11/2001 3 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 12:50 pm Subject: Schulze concert Hello there, Any news from Klaus's concert in Osna on Saturday night? I was originially intending to go, but ended up spending a Saturday night and pleasant strolling Sunday in Ghent instead. I think it's gonna be a long time before the novelty of being able to get on a train and go to another country wears off :-) Glynn From: Micheal_Catone@H... Date: Sat Jun 9, 2001 8:22 pm Subject: Re: The Keep promo LP is a fake I have seen the pictures posted of this 'fake' album. I am currently attempting to purchase a copy from a guy in San Francisco. Same sleeve design. If these are photograohsfrom another copy then I am stunned. There is no official release, I have excellent information from a reliable source that two versions were pressed in test press format. A standard promo version, of which there were 250 pressed, and the best estimate I have is that 215 were retrieved and destroyed, leaving 35 that managed to 'get out'. I have never seen any of these. Though I have copies of the documentation that proves the run time test pressing was in fact pressed. The version I have seen is the one currently being touted as a fake. Album cover is basically the same as the movie poster although the colors differ slightly. My best information on this version is as follows, I have checked and resourced thoroughly and I am hopefully close to actually acquiring a copy. The sleeve, as I stated, is the one currently being claimed to be fake, (these pictures surfaced on the net over the last two weeks, or thereabouts I believe) This version is an Engineers Run Time test pressing. Virgin test pressed all albums in this way if the running time of a side exceeded 24.59. All ERT's carry the Virgin original logo (in B&W), and did so until 1990. 25 copies were pressed from 2 X 2 sets of single sided acetate. The final track was not completed at the time of pressing, so a conglomerate track of that same running time was substituted in its place. (The other promo has the correct completed track in its place) 6 different sleeve designs were created and printed for approval. The serial number is a letter and six digit sequence, the numbers refer to Job number, and the supervising pressing managers employment ID at the RCA pressing plant were the discs were pressed. The final digit should be a 0, this denotes test run. This same serial number was also scratched onto the acetate and appears on the vinyl itself. I can't remember the sequence off hand. Hopefully I shall soon have my own copy, I have been trying for years and am so close I can almost touch it already. Next step, the other promo version MC From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 7:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 From: horrod6 [mailto:horrod6@n...] >And you're right about the tick repellant - and every other noxious >insect you've ever heard of. Having been in south Georgia in summer, I can say that weekend in April at Okee wasn't too bad at all. In July, you can't step outside without being attacked by at least two dozen forms of insect life... - jim From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:54 pm Subject: D: Solo [Edgar Froese] [Stuntman] Well, as no one seems to be giving much contribution to the weekly solo discussions - are they happening at all? - I've decided, now that I've got all Froese solos, to talk a bit about them. I'll begin with Stuntman, from 1979. This is Froese's discography just to illustrate: 74 - Aqua 75 - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale 76 - Macula Transfer 78 - Ages (double) 79 - Stuntman 82 - Kamikaze 1989 (soundtrack) 83 - Pinnacles 95 (or something) - Beyond the Storm (double compilation) The album is more varied than the previous albums; there are bridges, different moments in the tracks, etc. It's one of Froese's best. For those not so familiar with Froese solo albums, Epsilon is probably the closest to classic TD (a mix of Phaedra and Rubycon). The rest is very much like the kind of thing you hear for example in Convention of the 24, this kind of music without many events, without much development. Froese's solo style is similar to Schulze's style in that way; the most notable difference is probably Schulze's urge to make infinitely long tracks. 1. Stuntman (4:18) begins with the title track, a radio-friendly track. It's slightly unusual to Froese often rambling style, because of its strong, Jarre-esque melody. A great track. 4/5 but why not 5/5? I don't know. 2. It Would Be Like Samoa (10:46) has some electronic percussion with a cool fast flute-sound solo in the beginning. The percussion eventually stops and some rambling takes place, then there is a distorted guitar solo instead of the flute solo with some slow phasing on the background. At some point, the percussion gets back, but it's different, more like an electronic sequence, with a small tune which is repeated only two times, leaving just the sequence with some synth noises to end the track. It's a good track, very well done, but nothing awesome I'm afraid. A new solo is played during the last 70 or 80 seconds of the track, but there's not a defined melody. I think I'd give it a 3.5/5. 3. Detroit Snackbar Dreamer (6:32) These titles in this album are really intereting, some of the most interesting titles I've seen. Here there's the classic Froesian taam...taam...taam...taam.. you know? I'm not sure if I can describe it properly. The track opens with a exaggerated high pitched tune. There is some synth playing, not taking to anywhere really, then at some point a low beat comes in, the almost irritatingly high pitched tunes comes back, and some more Froesian rambling. I think it deserves a 3/5. 4. Drunken Mozart In The Desert (10:00) The title and the length are impressive, and so is the music. The best in this album. There's the taam, taam, taam, there's a distorted percussive sequence which reminds me of the out-of-this-world percussion from Schulze's Blackdance (Voices of Syn), a fast solo in the background, and lots of varied sounds happening. At some point the percussive sequence fades out, the fast solo fades in to full volume briefly, then the sequence gets back again, pretty much like what happens in the same Schulze track. There are more small solos and noises, and in the middle of the track the percussion ends leaving another solo, with some dramatic chords. Suddenly, a fanfare is played twice, opening the second half. Too bad it's not developed. Now I'm not sure if I can describe the second half properly, but it's GREAT! There's a fast sequence, a long sequence as if it was a solo, one of the best sequences I've heard, with a bassy beat in the background, chords being played on your left ear, then a new solo. It's all very majestic yet delicate - maybe as delicate as White Eagle's sequence, but faster. The track ends with a sudden stop and a big, long chord. This track is a must listen, 5/5. 5. A Dali-esque Sleep Fuse (8:33) This one is kind of strange as the title. It begins in a low volume, slowly fading in. Then a vocal-ish sequence fades in then out, slightly resembling the train in Majeure, and another bass sequence which reminds me of Stratosfear fades in. There's a chaotic piano-like solo in the left, and then nearly at the 3:00 mark the guitar comes in and dominates the middle of the track. Nearly at 6:00, a fast phased percussion joins the music. A slow violin-sound solo is played, the bass sequence fades out, then the fast percussion fades out too, then it's just the violin and some slow chords. It's all like a safe landing for the album. I think this track deserves also a 3.5/5, almost 4. 6. Scarlet Score For Mescalero (4:20) - I have no idea of what this title means at all. But it's a sequenceless, percusionless track, it's an end-of-album track really. It's nice and calm. I could even say it reminds me of Elf June and the Midnight Patrol from Goblins' Club. I'd give it a 3.5/5 too. Although my grades look kind of low, this is an excellent album. The overall grade for me would be 4.5/5, I think. Epsilon in Malaysian Pale would get 5/5 (this one sounds just perfect from 0:00 to the end). What is more interesting is the year: 1979. Certainly the late 70s and early 80s gave us very rich TD music. Majeure, Tangram, Cyclone, Stuntman, Transharmonic Nights, the Nostragram concert... kind regards Gustavo Jobim - off to Pinnacles. (hey, it's lunch time at work! gotta go ;) From: horrod6 Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 6:57 pm Subject: Marek Bilinsky (OT) just a quick note to say thanks to whoever put Marek Bilinsky's 'E does not = mc squared' (can't do the mathematical typeface) into the grab bag at Okefenokee 2001. Most of it's standard synthpop, but the title track's great! Do I detect the influence of Keith Emerson in one of his wilder moments? LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27389 Re: Marek Bilinsky (OT) Frank Arellano Wed 6/13/2001 3 KB From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Marek Bilinski (OT) >just a quick note to say thanks to whoever put Marek Bilinsky's 'E does >not = mc squared' (can't do the mathematical typeface) into the grab bag >at Okefenokee 2001. Most of it's standard synthpop, but the title >track's great! Do I detect the influence of Keith Emerson in one of his >wilder moments? That's as far as I know the most know polish electronic musician. Most things he made in the 80's. But some albums in the 90's too. He made a few good tracks. Got most of his albums - on casettes... have to change this... :) His discography: Ogrod krola switu - The garden of the king of the sunrise E is not mc sqared Wolne loty - Free flights Dziecko slona - the child of the sun and a best of Album And one thing: Bilinski not Bilinsky :) Station M fan of Bilinski Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27382 Re: Marek Bilinski (OT) vic rek Wed 6/13/2001 2 KB From: Felna Greymane Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:57 pm Subject: Covers CD At 08:23 AM 6/9/2001 -0000, you wrote: >Thanks for the nice effort. I think getting these covers together is a great >idea, but this may be a never-ending task. I for example have a whole bunch of >CD-Rs that are not mentioned on the list, but I just won't have the time to >spend on scanning covers. I'm sure there are plenty of other collectors out >there with the same dilema. > >Vic We realize there is no way to get a truly complete collection....there is just too much out there (with multiple covers for each title in many if not most cases). I appreciate any additional art that is sent in and realize in the end that there will be much more out there that what we have....but at least it will be a fair sized collection. We had to start somewhere 8). Jeff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27377 Re: Covers CD Totta Rydqvist Mon 6/11/2001 4 KB From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 11:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Covers CD Hi I read that one too, but i think when we look thrue the material we get from duncan and from tomas, i heard from him today we aught to be somewhere 700-900 covers, and thats a pretty good start, or what ?? We can updated the list that we got on the web when we have recived the duncan and tomas art and who knows maby some lycky hits can came frome there. And maby we can speak to vic into maby scan once a day and send us, i think that tomas cd that he will send us contains alot of covers fron vic, sooo :o) Maby it isnt so many wwe miss from him, who knows :o) We just have to wait and see Until next time take care By the way did you see the nice miss spelling on Zooning ;o)) Otherwise, it the back starting to look something that you like ?? I have a new ide about the front. Sending it when its done Bye Totta Felna Greymane wrote: > At 08:23 AM 6/9/2001 -0000, you wrote: > >Thanks for the nice effort. I think getting these covers together is a great > >idea, but this may be a never-ending task. I for example have a whole > bunch of > >CD-Rs that are not mentioned on the list, but I just won't have the time to > >spend on scanning covers. I'm sure there are plenty of other collectors out > >there with the same dilema. > > > >Vic > > We realize there is no way to get a truly complete collection....there is > just too much out there (with multiple covers for each title in many if not > most cases). I appreciate any additional art that is sent in and realize > in the end that there will be much more out there that what we have....but > at least it will be a fair sized collection. We had to start somewhere 8). > > Jeff > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 3:19 am Subject: New CD Now discount coupon Hi all. There's a NEW CD Now discount coupon available: 5 dollars off (minimum purchase 19.95, expires june 25). The URL is: http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-3836499 Go purchase your stuff right away! :-) -- MIGUEL FARAH miguel@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27425 Re: New CD Now discount coupon GCall10692@a... Fri 6/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 1:49 pm Subject: Website Update hi everyone i have just updated my website to include scans of the rare DJ Promo copies of the Ground Liftaz 12' Singles, have a look, only about 50 or so of these exist :-) Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27380 Re: Website Update Lasse Gustafsson Tue 6/12/2001 2 KB 30424 Website Update tangram12 Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 2:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Website Update >hi everyone >i have just updated my website to include scans of the rare DJ Promo >copies of the Ground Liftaz 12' Singles, have a look, only about 50 >or so of these exist :-) One record of my kit was also stamped on the white side. Also the black cover (pocket?) has 'Ground Liftaz' printed. Other disks without stamp has plain black covers. -----------'Remember always tell the truth, Only the truth, But never the whole truth'------------ From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 11:00 pm Subject: Stamps on DJ-Promos Hi folks! Do any others have this kind of stamp on DJ-Promo record sleeve? http://www.tektor.fi/users/lg/index.html -- ------------------------------------------------------ - This page is best viewed with computer and monitor - ------------------------------------------------------ From: vic rek Date: Wed Jun 13, 2001 2:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Marek Bilinski (OT) I really enjoy Marek Bilinski's work also. Marion, I may have had something to do with this item in the TD raffle? ;-) Michal Moroz wrote: > > That's as far as I know the most know polish electronic musician. > Most things he made in the 80's. But some albums in the 90's too. > He made a few good tracks. Got most of his albums - on casettes... have to > change this... :) > > His discography: > Ogrod krola switu - The garden of the king of the sunrise > E is not mc sqared > Wolne loty - Free flights > Dziecko slona - the child of the sun > and a best of Album You may also want to add this to his discography: Ucieczka do Tropiku (escape to the tropics) - not released on CD? Bilinski*Duczmal - 'Refleksje' Vic From: vic rek Date: Wed Jun 13, 2001 3:57 am Subject: Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappearing in Europe? The first details of next year's event are available. I have reserved four cottages (#1-4) April 19th-23rd, 2002. These cottages have a total number of 20 beds and can accomodate a total of 32 guests. Groove has recently sent out a notice about various EM concert/festival cancellations. This is very disappointing and unfortunately these events have to put up lots of cash up front and hope a lot of people show up. Well, the Okefenokee gathering is different, we 'max-out' at 32 guests in the cottages (there are tent sites for others) and keep a nice small group for an intimate experience. I expect this event to continue to be succesful and I look forward to next year. This will be the third year and it continues to grow! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27385 Re: Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappea Armin Theissen Wed 6/13/2001 3 KB 27387 EM festival appearing in Europe? j.gordon Wed 6/13/2001 2 KB 27392 Re: Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappea Hilary Wright Wed 6/13/2001 2 KB 27401 Re: Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappea Frank Arellano Thu 6/14/2001 4 KB 27448 Re: Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappea Deborah Johnson Sun 6/17/2001 2 KB 27455 Re: Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappea Thomas Mon 6/18/2001 2 KB 27459 Re: Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappea Bill Fox Mon 6/18/2001 3 KB From: vic rek Date: Wed Jun 13, 2001 4:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Keep promo LP is a fake OK, so I see that: 1. There are 35 copies of the Keep promo LP 2. There are 25 copies of the Keep Testpressing LP (last track is a test track) 3. One 2x2 acetate? 4. Six covers? 5. And NO official Keep release that was re-called??? Also, out of curiosity, where were these LPs pressed (Country and City)? Well, some of the hardcore collectors should be able to locate these in the next few years I would think...maybe sooner ;-) Vic Micheal_Catone@H... wrote: > I have seen the pictures posted of this 'fake' album. I am currently > attempting to purchase a copy from a guy in San Francisco. Same > sleeve design. If these are photograohsfrom another copy then I am > stunned. > > There is no official release, I have excellent information from a > reliable source that two versions were pressed in test press format. > A standard promo version, of which there were 250 pressed, and the > best estimate I have is that 215 were retrieved and destroyed, > leaving 35 that managed to 'get out'. I have never seen any of these. > > Though I have copies of the documentation that proves the run time > test pressing was in fact pressed. > > The version I have seen is the one currently being touted as a fake. > Album cover is basically the same as the movie poster although the > colors differ slightly. > > My best information on this version is as follows, I have checked and > resourced thoroughly and I am hopefully close to actually acquiring a > copy. > > The sleeve, as I stated, is the one currently being claimed to be > fake, (these pictures surfaced on the net over the last two weeks, or > thereabouts I believe) > > This version is an Engineers Run Time test pressing. Virgin test > pressed all albums in this way if the running time of a side exceeded > 24.59. > > All ERT's carry the Virgin original logo (in B&W), and did so until > 1990. > > 25 copies were pressed from 2 X 2 sets of single sided acetate. > > The final track was not completed at the time of pressing, so a > conglomerate track of that same running time was substituted in its > place. (The other promo has the correct completed track in its place) > > 6 different sleeve designs were created and printed for approval. > > The serial number is a letter and six digit sequence, > the numbers refer to Job number, and the supervising pressing > managers employment ID at the RCA pressing plant were the discs were > pressed. The final digit should be a 0, this denotes test run. This > same serial number was also scratched onto the acetate > and appears on the vinyl itself. I can't remember the sequence off > hand. > > Hopefully I shall soon have my own copy, I have been trying for years > and am so close I can almost touch it already. Next step, the other > promo version > > MC > From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Jun 13, 2001 11:38 am Subject: Re: Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappearing in Europe? hi If I lived anywhere close to that swamp I'd definetly join that Okefenokee sessions... I wonder whether there would be enough people to make such an event happen in Ireland.... (who laughed?) armin --- In tadream@y..., vic rek wrote: > The first details of next year's event are available. > > I have reserved four cottages (#1-4) April 19th-23rd, 2002. These cottages have > a total number of 20 beds and can accomodate a total of 32 guests. > > Groove has recently sent out a notice about various EM concert/festival > cancellations. This is very disappointing and unfortunately these events have > to put up lots of cash up front and hope a lot of people show up. Well, the > Okefenokee gathering is different, we 'max-out' at 32 guests in the cottages > (there are tent sites for others) and keep a nice small group for an intimate > experience. I expect this event to continue to be succesful and I look forward > to next year. This will be the third year and it continues to grow! > > Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27387 EM festival appearing in Europe? j.gordon Wed 6/13/2001 2 KB 27392 Re: Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappea Hilary Wright Wed 6/13/2001 2 KB From: vic rek Date: Wed Jun 13, 2001 11:57 am Subject: Looking for some TD cassettes I am wondering if anyone would be willing to sell/trade for the following cassettes: 1. Alpha Centauri 2. Encore 3. Phaedra/Rubycon (2 on 1) 4. Ricochet/Stratosfear (2 on 1) also, has anyone seen a cassette version of 'The Park is Mine' or 'Deadly Care'? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27409 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes scfeldman@j... Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB 27412 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes lawlermusic Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB 27413 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes C. Chambers Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB 27414 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes Marcel Engels Thu 6/14/2001 3 KB 27415 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes Feldon Feldon Thu 6/14/2001 3 KB 27431 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes ajogon@n... Fri 6/15/2001 2 KB 27416 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes Frank Arellano Thu 6/14/2001 3 KB 27417 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes Frank Arellano Thu 6/14/2001 3 KB 27427 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes E Neal Frost Fri 6/15/2001 3 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Jun 13, 2001 12:00 pm Subject: [tadream] EM festival appearing in Europe? --- Armin Theissen wrote: > I wonder whether there would be enough people to make such > an event happen in Ireland.... (who laughed?) > > armin i myself was wondering about having an Oke type electronic fest here on this side of the atlantic... maybe a 'Schwartzwald Träume' or 'Alp Traum' (hehehe)type thing for all us musicians who can't make the Oke fest... of couse, i'm partial to these areas as i live in zürich... however, somewhere else is cool... i like this idea... j __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Jun 13, 2001 12:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappearing in Europe? > If I lived anywhere close to that swamp I'd definetly > join that Okefenokee sessions... > > I wonder whether there would be enough people to make such > an event happen in Ireland.... (who laughed?) it was me! ;-) Since I will soon be visiting your country for two weeks I will be searching for the definite Irish counterpart to Okefenokee...should be a lot of fun to listen to electronic music while getting slowly drunk in the pub -lol- Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27404 Re: Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappea Armin Theissen Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Jun 13, 2001 11:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Marek Bilinsky (OT) What did you think of Code Indigo, Marion? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'horrod6' To: 'dreamers' Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 12:57 PM Subject: [tadream] Marek Bilinsky (OT) > just a quick note to say thanks to whoever put Marek Bilinsky's 'E does > not = mc squared' (can't do the mathematical typeface) into the grab bag > at Okefenokee 2001. Most of it's standard synthpop, but the title > track's great! Do I detect the influence of Keith Emerson in one of his > wilder moments? > > LnH > > Marion > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 4:36 am Subject: Re The Keep promo LP(s) On Sat, 09 Jun 2001 20:22:18 -0000 Micheal_Catone@H... writes: >I have seen the pictures posted of this 'fake' album. I am >currently attempting to purchase a copy from a guy in San >Francisco. Same sleeve design. So, this item has surfaced on at least two continents, now, eh? When, then, aren't the hardcore know it all alls on this list in possession of a copy, yet (a rhetorical question that I ask because of being told that since the Almighty collectors never saw the KEEP LP, then I couldn't possibly have seen it). >There is no official release, Yes, but that does not preclude the accidental release -- one piece of which I saw, and four other pieces of which other folks on the internet saw (and one of these was a *cassette*!). >I have excellent information from a reliable source [. . .] Strange hush of mysterioso, as Molasar issues from the walls and begins to congeal. >[. . .] that two versions were pressed in test press format. > >A standard promo version, of which there were 250 pressed, and the >best estimate I have is that 215 were retrieved and destroyed, >leaving 35 that managed to 'get out'. I have never seen any of >these. Since when were such a high amount of promo records of *any* artist retrieved and destroyed? Sounds like a fairy tale, to me. I mean, haven't you noticed that promos of just about everything wind up in used record stores and record meets sooner or later? (And yes, I know one record store owner who says he saw one at a record show, once, but didn't know that it was rare until I mentioned it to him after the fact.) >Though I have copies of the documentation that proves the >run time test pressing was in fact pressed. I'd love to see that. >The version I have seen is the one currently being touted >as a fake. Not by me. I have yet to hear it for myself. I am hardly a Doubting Thomas in this matter. Jaded and often let down, yes, but a disbeliever, no. >My best information on this version is as follows, I have >checked and resourced thoroughly and I am hopefully close >to actually acquiring a copy. How is it that after 17 years of no significant world class non-computer-literate TD fan and/or online TD fan being able to produce a copy of this record -- all of a sudden, *two* surface in the space of two months -- in the UK and one in the USA? You've got to admit, the odds are strongly against this likelihood. >The sleeve, as I stated, is the one currently being claimed >to be fake, (these pictures surfaced on the net over the >last two weeks, or thereabouts I believe) Well, neither the front nor the back are what I saw back in 1984. Of that, I am certain. >This version is an Engineers Run Time test pressing. >Virgin test pressed all albums in this way if the running >time of a side exceeded 24.59. > >All ERT's carry the Virgin original logo (in B&W), and did >so until 1990. > >25 copies were pressed from 2 X 2 sets of single sided >acetate. > >The final track was not completed at the time of pressing, >so a conglomerate track of that same running time was >substituted in its place. This is some mighty specific data. How did you come by it, and can you corroborate or document any of this? >(The other promo has the correct completed track in its >place) How do you know this if you've never seen it? And, I might add, I have never heard of this item and I've been subscribed to this list for 11 years. And I'm not the sort to let new info on THE KEEP slide by unnoticed. >6 different sleeve designs were created and printed for >approval. How could you possibly know that unless you worked for Virgin and/or the plant where the record was pressed? >The serial number is a letter and six digit sequence, >the numbers refer to Job number, and the supervising >pressing managers employment ID at the RCA pressing plant >were the discs were pressed. The final digit should be a >0, this denotes test run. This same serial number was also >scratched onto the acetate and appears on the vinyl itself. >I can't remember the sequence off hand. This is all very interesting, no doubt. >Hopefully I shall soon have my own copy, I have been trying >for years and am so close I can almost touch it already. Well, you've got one thing over 95% of the rest of the world's TD collectors, and that's the sure knowledge that such an item is out there. >Next step, the other promo version Don't hold your breath. Lightning doesn't strike twice two often re such matters unless you've got connections on the level of, say, a Grygorcewicz. >MC -- Steven Feldman -- lone webmaster of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Andrei Stcherbatchenko' Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:09 am Subject: USA concert locations? Hi, Anyone has any idea about US 2001 concert locations? This is my first opportunity to attend live TD show (I recently moved from overseas where TD never toured...) Andrei ~~~ http://www.firetongue.com - software for music collectors Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27622 Re: USA concert locations? Michael Jean Tue 7/10/2001 4 KB 27635 Re: USA concert locations? Dave Brewer Wed 7/11/2001 3 KB From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Wed Jun 13, 2001 5:50 pm Subject: Re: Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappearing in Europe? > > I wonder whether there would be enough people to make such > an event happen in Ireland.... (who laughed?) > Hi all, I'd join a group in Ireland. Sounds great to me! Or in France - even better. Hilary From: horrod6 Date: Wed Jun 13, 2001 6:34 pm Subject: Re: Okefenokee 2002... Armin wrote: 'If I lived anywhere close to that swamp I'd definetly join that Okefenokee sessions... ' Come on, Armin, I managed to get there from Scotland this year, the two Air Sculpture guys are English and Marcel's travelled from Holland 2 years running. Try and make the effort - it's worth it! On the other hand, as Vic mentioned, there has been talk of putting the show on the road after next year. Tom was keen to have one in a scottish castle - is Scotland accessible enough? Or you could ensure one near you by volunteering to organise it (although it seems like a heartbreaking load of work to me, Vic seemed to be having a good time). Mind you, you'll have to think up a way of linking the location to a TD track! LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27405 Re: Okefenokee 2002... Armin Theissen Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB 27406 Re: Okefenokee 2002... Brian Stewart Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB 27418 Re: Okefenokee 2002... PERGAMON Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB 27419 Re: Okefenokee 2002... PENFOLD Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB 27420 Re: Okefenokee 2002... Feldon Feldon Thu 6/14/2001 3 KB 27439 Re: Okefenokee 2002... Gustavo Jobim Fri 6/15/2001 2 KB 27461 Re: Okefenokee 2002... Armin Theissen Tue 6/19/2001 2 KB 27530 Re: Okefenokee 2002... Tony Walsh Thu 7/5/2001 3 KB From: horrod6 Date: Wed Jun 13, 2001 6:34 pm Subject: Code Indigo Frank wrote: 'What did you think of Code Indigo, Marion?' (The background is that Frank traded me the Marek Bilinski for the Code Indigo, then _gave_ me the Code Indigo back - what a nice man!) Suffice it to say that I've played it about a dozen times in the last couple of months, and I like it especially for late night chilling out. And Frank, I haven't forgotten that I promised to record you something in return - it's just that I've lost my 'round tuit'. (Same to Dave B. - I can't look at my Ichiro CD without feeling guilty!) Once the computer room is sorted out, I _will_ do it, honest. LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27402 Re: Code Indigo Frank Arellano Thu 6/14/2001 3 KB From: horrod6 Date: Wed Jun 13, 2001 6:34 pm Subject: RE: Marek Bilinski (OT) Vic wrote: 'I really enjoy Marek Bilinski's work also. Marion, I may have had something to do with this item in the TD raffle?' Yeah well, once Michal had told us he was polish, I kind of figured out that you were the most likely. So can either of you (or anybody else) tell me if any of his albums have more wild tracks like 'e not = mc^2' on them, or is it mostly the more 'normal' synth-pop? LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27396 Re: Marek Bilinski (OT) Michal Moroz Wed 6/13/2001 3 KB 27407 Re: Marek Bilinski (OT) wyslannik@y... Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB 27408 Re: Marek Bilinski (OT) wyslannik@y... Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB 27410 See Klaus Schulze Live in Osnabrueck. New picture Rainer Rutka Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Wed Jun 13, 2001 6:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Marek Bilinski (OT) >So can either of you (or anybody else) tell me if any of his albums have >more wild tracks like 'e not = mc^2' on them, or is it mostly the more >'normal' synth-pop? > I don't have the first album - Ogrod krola switu, so I don't know if there's something like that. The e not = mc^2 track as far as i know is the only jump to the side of Bilinski. Most of his of it is light electronic music or synth pop as you call it. Although i like some tracks: like for example Kosmiczne Opowiadania (Space stories) from Wolne Loty But if you're interested in polish electronic there is a cd from people of our local polish TD-mail group. It's called The Sounds of MOO (TSOM). Great cd. I hope some polish friends here can give the adress where you can buy the cd. greetings Michal Moroz aka Station Mir Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27407 Re: Marek Bilinski (OT) wyslannik@y... Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB 27408 Re: Marek Bilinski (OT) wyslannik@y... Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB 27410 See Klaus Schulze Live in Osnabrueck. New picture Rainer Rutka Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Jun 13, 2001 9:11 pm Subject: Re: Re: The Keep promo LP is a fake Vic wrote: >OK, so I see that: Indeed, it seems that the Keep LP has become the running gag of the pranksters, and some do disguise themselves well with jargon... Won't make it any easier to ever locate the real thing... But then, are we really out there for the easy catches ? ;-) best regards, klaus From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Jun 13, 2001 9:14 pm Subject: Bush MP3's Hi there Could the guy who put the four MP3's comprising the Bush gig please tell me how to get to them again. I'm sorry but I can't remember your name. Thanks in advance, Phil. From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Jun 13, 2001 9:24 pm Subject: Keep promo LP >>The sleeve, as I stated, is the one currently being claimed >>to be fake, (these pictures surfaced on the net over the >>last two weeks, or thereabouts I believe) > > Well, neither the front nor the back are what I saw >back in 1984. Of that, I am certain. Steven, this is consisten with what the other 'spotters' of the 'holy grail' say - didn't look anything like the fake cover. Besides other inconsistencies already mentioned, like the labels and the Virgin logo, I can only repeat: The track titles are a dead giveaway. Most are identical to the Blue Moon Bootleg, and I personally and first hand know that these track titles were made up, and by whom, just based on the corresponding film scenes, not taken from any 'official' source. Hell, aren't there any decent fakers and pranksters any more ?? I tell ya, in MY time, when we'd wanted to create a rumour, we did a MUCH better job of it... rant..rant..mumble ;-) ;-) ;-) cheers klaus From: gyedid@p... Date: Wed Jun 13, 2001 10:08 pm Subject: [OT] ATTENTION Joe Shoults!!! Sorry for the break in the regularly scheduled programming, but I'd very much appreciate it if Joe Shoults could please contact me off-list. cheers, Gabe From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 5:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappearing in Europe? I just wanted to say thanks to our fearless administrator and my friend Vic, for bringing to fruition a great idea of bringing together people of Electronic Music and Tangerine Dream. May it continue to grow as it deserves to . ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:57 PM Subject: [tadream] Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappearing in Europe? > The first details of next year's event are available. > > I have reserved four cottages (#1-4) April 19th-23rd, 2002. These cottages have > a total number of 20 beds and can accomodate a total of 32 guests. > > Groove has recently sent out a notice about various EM concert/festival > cancellations. This is very disappointing and unfortunately these events have > to put up lots of cash up front and hope a lot of people show up. Well, the > Okefenokee gathering is different, we 'max-out' at 32 guests in the cottages > (there are tent sites for others) and keep a nice small group for an intimate > experience. I expect this event to continue to be succesful and I look forward > to next year. This will be the third year and it continues to grow! > > Vic > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 5:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Code Indigo I'm glad to hear that you liked it Marion, so did I, thus that is why I wanted to share it with you and other people. If you liked this you surely should try Code Indigo's 'Blue' 4 CD set and Robert Fox's 'The Fire and The Rose' CD and David Wright's 'Three Six Zero' CD's too. It's all good... 8-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'horrod6' To: 'dreamers' Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:34 PM Subject: [tadream] Code Indigo > Frank wrote: > > 'What did you think of Code Indigo, Marion?' > > (The background is that Frank traded me the Marek Bilinski for the Code > Indigo, then _gave_ me the Code Indigo back - what a nice man!) > > Suffice it to say that I've played it about a dozen times in the last > couple of months, and I like it especially for late night chilling out. > > And Frank, I haven't forgotten that I promised to record you something > in return - it's just that I've lost my 'round tuit'. (Same to Dave B. - > I can't look at my Ichiro CD without feeling guilty!) Once the computer > room is sorted out, I _will_ do it, honest. > > LnH > > Marion > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 6:37 am Subject: >a cassette version of 'The Park is Mine' Vic asks >has anyone seen a cassette version of 'The Park is Mine' or 'Deadly Care'? I'm pretty sure a buddy of mine has a sealed cassette of 'the park is mine'. If he does, it's on varese sarabande. It may or may not be a cut-out, though. --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 6:46 am Subject: Re: Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappearing in Europe? Hey, if you're coming through Dublin, lets meet for a pint. Maybe your visit will coincide with list member Conrad Gibbons visiting town (he does so once in a while). That would be a TD meeting in Ireland dominated by native german speakers.... I guess the irish are used to things like this ;-) armin --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > > If I lived anywhere close to that swamp I'd definetly > > join that Okefenokee sessions... > > > > I wonder whether there would be enough people to make such > > an event happen in Ireland.... (who laughed?) > > it was me! ;-) > Since I will soon be visiting your country for two weeks I will be searching for > the definite Irish counterpart to Okefenokee...should be a lot of fun to listen > to electronic music while getting slowly drunk in the pub -lol- > > Heiko From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 6:50 am Subject: Re: Okefenokee 2002... --- In tadream@y..., horrod6 wrote: [snip] > load of work to me, Vic seemed to be having a good time). Mind you, > you'll have to think up a way of linking the location to a TD track! > > LnH oh yes... what about a 'Midnight in Thule' which is in Greenland, I suppose... ;-) or a tour through a certain list of parks... the river Rubicon? Mind that Italy has the best food! unfortunately, I can't think at any TD-linked irish location right now. armin From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 11:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee 2002... Hi oh yes... what about a 'Midnight in Thule' which is in Greenland, I suppose... ;-) More appropriate? - Loch Tulla, on the edge of Rannoch Moor in Scotland, an empty, windswept & beautiful place. A large old shooting lodge (with a quite a history!) right by the loch can be rented, great pub/hotel nearby unfortunately, I can't think at any TD-linked irish location right now. Or even! Waterborne - On the Shannon near Athlone, plenty of boats & small islands to make use of. Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: wyslannik@y... Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 11:45 am Subject: Re: Marek Bilinski (OT) Hi, --- In tadream@y..., 'Michal Moroz' wrote: > >So can either of you (or anybody else) tell me if any of his albums have > >more wild tracks like 'e not = mc^2' on them, or is it mostly the more > >'normal' synth-pop? > > > > I don't have the first album - Ogrod krola switu, so I don't know if there's > something like that. 'Ogrod Krola Switu' - first album of Marek Bilinski contain very interesting music. Some tracks are in - as you called it - synthpop-style, but some aren't (in my opinion). Sometimes it reminds some early electronic music without rythm, just some space moods, sometimes it sounds like a fantasy-story. > > But if you're interested in polish electronic there is a cd from people of > our local polish TD-mail group. It's called The Sounds of MOO (TSOM). Great > cd. > I hope some polish friends here can give the adress where you can buy the > cd. :-) the address you can find in my signature ;-) > greetings > Michal Moroz aka Station Mir Cheers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27408 Re: Marek Bilinski (OT) wyslannik@y... Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB 27410 See Klaus Schulze Live in Osnabrueck. New picture Rainer Rutka Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB From: wyslannik@y... Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 11:48 am Subject: Re: Marek Bilinski (OT) Sorry, the adress in signature hasn't been attached automatically, so here it is: http://www.remotespaces.neo.pl/tsom From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 5:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:57:22 -0400 vic rek writes: > I am wondering if anyone would be willing to sell/trade for the > following cassettes: [. . .] Errr, I don't, but I do have cassettes of: o A TIME FOR HEROES -- Meat Loaf, Tangerine Dream [Orpheum Records] o WUIVEND RIET -- Johannes Schmoelling [on the Erdenklang label] I'm thinking of going the eBAY route with them. Steven Feldman From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 1:04 pm Subject: See Klaus Schulze Live in Osnabrueck. New pictures. Hi! I add some pictures form the Klaus Schulze concert in Osnabrueck (Klangart) onto my homepage. Some amazing ones (I hope)! Have fun! URL: www.rutka.de/td -> NEWS (or specials) Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 1:15 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze Live Osnabrueck ONTO a official CD!!! READ!!!!! Hi! Got this email from Mario today. This is what I call GOOD NEWS! Rainer Pictures form Klaus' Concert: www.rutka.de/td -> NEWS --------------------------------------------------------------------- You could call it 'Faster than the speed of light': Around the 16th July 2001, Manikin Records´ sublabel Rainhorse will release two exciting CDs, containing the complete recordings of the Osnabrück concert (from June, the 9th 2001), performed by Klaus Schulze and Wolfgang Tiepold (cello) in front of an enthusiastic audience. This concert was part of the KlangArt-Festival. The voluminous CD-booklets will contain extensive photo-coverage from this concert. One individual CD will cost 35,00 DM + postage/packing (Germany: 3,00 DM; Europe: 8,00 DM; other foreign countries: 16,00 DM). If you act fast and order (and pay for) both CDs, before July, the 9th 2001 at Manikin Records, you´ll get this 2-CD-set for only 60,00 DM + postage/packing (Germany: 5,00 DM; Europe: 8,00 DM; other foreign countries: 16,00 DM). As a special-bonus, the first 222 costumers, will get their CD-sets with exclusive signed and numbered booklets! --- Please send all order E-Mails to order@m... --- Kind Regards/Beste Grüße Mario Schönwälder Manikin Records Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27428 Re: Klaus Schulze Live Osnabrueck ONTO a official Michael A Jean Fri 6/15/2001 4 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 2:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:57:22 -0400 vic rek > writes: > > > I am wondering if anyone would be willing to sell/trade for the > > following cassettes: [. . .] > > Errr, I don't, but I do have cassettes of: > > o A TIME FOR HEROES -- Meat Loaf, Tangerine Dream [Orpheum Records] > o WUIVEND RIET -- Johannes Schmoelling [on the Erdenklang label] > > I'm thinking of going the eBAY route with them. I have the cassettes of Firestarter , Miracle Mile and Dream sequence . Are these rare or not ? I also have the original Zoo of Tranquility, Tatort , on Vinyl . they could be common , I dont know Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27413 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes C. Chambers Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB 27414 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes Marcel Engels Thu 6/14/2001 3 KB 27415 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes Feldon Feldon Thu 6/14/2001 3 KB 27431 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes ajogon@n... Fri 6/15/2001 2 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 3:35 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes I have a cassette of Peter Baumann's Romance 76...worthy for a collector? > I have the cassettes of Firestarter , Miracle Mile and Dream > sequence . Are > these rare or not ? > I also have the original Zoo of Tranquility, Tatort , on Vinyl . > they could > be common , I dont know > > Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27414 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes Marcel Engels Thu 6/14/2001 3 KB 27415 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes Feldon Feldon Thu 6/14/2001 3 KB 27431 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes ajogon@n... Fri 6/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 3:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes I've got a dozen cassettes of old never released music from FSP...and it isn't worth anything! :-) Although no cassettes of TD sorry. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > -----Original Message----- > From: C. Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...] > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:35 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes > > > I have a cassette of Peter Baumann's Romance 76...worthy for a collector? > > > I have the cassettes of Firestarter , Miracle Mile and Dream > > sequence . Are > > these rare or not ? > > I also have the original Zoo of Tranquility, Tatort , on Vinyl . > > they could > > be common , I dont know > > > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27415 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes Feldon Feldon Thu 6/14/2001 3 KB 27431 Re: Looking for some TD cassettes ajogon@n... Fri 6/15/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 4:12 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes Torturer! -Morgan At 05:47 PM 6/14/2001 +0200, you wrote: >I've got a dozen cassettes of old never released >music from FSP...and it isn't worth anything! :-) >Although no cassettes of TD sorry. > >Marcel >http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels >mengels@w... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: C. Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...] > > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:35 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes > > > > > > I have a cassette of Peter Baumann's Romance 76...worthy for a collector? > > > > > I have the cassettes of Firestarter , Miracle Mile and Dream > > > sequence . Are > > > these rare or not ? > > > I also have the original Zoo of Tranquility, Tatort , on Vinyl . > > > they could > > > be common , I dont know > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 4:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes What's that Baumann cassette worth to you with the shipping to here in the US? I've never heard the music to it yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'C. Chambers' To: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes > I have a cassette of Peter Baumann's Romance 76...worthy for a collector? > > > I have the cassettes of Firestarter , Miracle Mile and Dream > > sequence . Are > > these rare or not ? > > I also have the original Zoo of Tranquility, Tatort , on Vinyl . > > they could > > be common , I dont know > > > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes I probably shouldn't have said I've never have heard it yet, because I have once, but I can't recall anything about it. [Too many distractions when I heard it.] It being on an MP3 CDR is it limits me to how often I can play it due to I can only play on the computer. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Frank Arellano' To: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes > > What's that Baumann cassette worth to you with the shipping to here in the > US? I've never heard the music to it yet. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'C. Chambers' > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:35 AM > Subject: RE: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes > > > > I have a cassette of Peter Baumann's Romance 76...worthy for a collector? > > > > > I have the cassettes of Firestarter , Miracle Mile and Dream > > > sequence . Are > > > these rare or not ? > > > I also have the original Zoo of Tranquility, Tatort , on Vinyl . > > > they could > > > be common , I dont know > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee 2002... Hi Brian What about Green desert........A forest could be considered a desert of green....so any forest would do.... =) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Stewart To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee 2002... unfortunately, I can't think at any TD-linked irish location right now. Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27419 Re: Okefenokee 2002... PENFOLD Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB 27420 Re: Okefenokee 2002... Feldon Feldon Thu 6/14/2001 3 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee 2002... At 01.06.14 19:09, PERGAMON wrote: > What about Green desert........A forest could be considered a desert > of green....so any forest would do.... =) I save this wonnerful number for when I spin TD at the Burning Man Festival out on the Black Rock Desert.....I usually get some great favourable responses when I play this and wow people when I tell them it was recorded in '73! Pete aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27420 Re: Okefenokee 2002... Feldon Feldon Thu 6/14/2001 3 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 9:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee 2002... Wow, or maybe disbelief. *smirk* We all know the questionable history of how much of Green Desert is 1973 material and how much is 1985 overdubs :) :) :) :) -Morgan At 01:35 PM 6/14/2001 -0700, you wrote: >At 01.06.14 19:09, PERGAMON wrote: > > What about Green desert........A forest could be considered a desert > > of green....so any forest would do.... =) > > I save this wonnerful number for when I spin TD at the Burning Man >Festival out on the Black Rock Desert.....I usually get some great >favourable responses when I play this and wow people when I tell them it >was recorded in '73! > > >Pete >aka >DJ Dreamhead >mailto:penfold@a... > >Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have >the money.....Damn!!!!! > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 11:17 pm Subject: Sentiments echoed for Vic I'd just like to echo these sentiments, as I have much to thank Vic for in the way of CD-Rs of the superb Okefenokee 2000 concert and the Baumann/Haslinger 'Blue Room' project. By the way, is there a CD-R of Okefenokee 2001, as I seemed to have missed any correspondence on that concert. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Frank Arellano' To: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappearing in Europe? > > I just wanted to say thanks to our fearless administrator and my friend > Vic, for bringing to fruition a great idea of bringing together people of > Electronic Music and Tangerine Dream. May it continue to grow as it deserves > to . > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'vic rek' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:57 PM > Subject: [tadream] Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappearing in > Europe? > > > > The first details of next year's event are available. > > > > I have reserved four cottages (#1-4) April 19th-23rd, 2002. These > cottages have > > a total number of 20 beds and can accomodate a total of 32 guests. > > > > Groove has recently sent out a notice about various EM concert/festival > > cancellations. This is very disappointing and unfortunately these events > have > > to put up lots of cash up front and hope a lot of people show up. Well, > the > > Okefenokee gathering is different, we 'max-out' at 32 guests in the > cottages > > (there are tent sites for others) and keep a nice small group for an > intimate > > experience. I expect this event to continue to be succesful and I look > forward > > to next year. This will be the third year and it continues to grow! > > > > Vic > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27422 Re: Sentiments echoed for Vic Feldon Feldon Thu 6/14/2001 5 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 11:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sentiments echoed for Vic Okefenokee Dreams 2000 is for sale. The attendees of Okefenokee 2001 have received CD-Rs of the music (wonderful stuff!) and there are plans for a release this fall. -Morgan At 11:17 AM 6/15/2001 +1200, you wrote: >I'd just like to echo these sentiments, as I have much to thank Vic for in >the way of CD-Rs of the superb Okefenokee 2000 concert and the >Baumann/Haslinger 'Blue Room' project. By the way, is there a CD-R of >Okefenokee 2001, as I seemed to have missed any correspondence on that >concert. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'Frank Arellano' >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:12 PM >Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappearing in >Europe? > > > > > > I just wanted to say thanks to our fearless administrator and my >friend > > Vic, for bringing to fruition a great idea of bringing together people of > > Electronic Music and Tangerine Dream. May it continue to grow as it >deserves > > to . > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'vic rek' > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:57 PM > > Subject: [tadream] Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappearing in > > Europe? > > > > > > > The first details of next year's event are available. > > > > > > I have reserved four cottages (#1-4) April 19th-23rd, 2002. These > > cottages have > > > a total number of 20 beds and can accomodate a total of 32 guests. > > > > > > Groove has recently sent out a notice about various EM concert/festival > > > cancellations. This is very disappointing and unfortunately these >events > > have > > > to put up lots of cash up front and hope a lot of people show up. Well, > > the > > > Okefenokee gathering is different, we 'max-out' at 32 guests in the > > cottages > > > (there are tent sites for others) and keep a nice small group for an > > intimate > > > experience. I expect this event to continue to be succesful and I look > > forward > > > to next year. This will be the third year and it continues to grow! > > > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > > > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: baG Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 11:40 pm Subject: Unsubscribe Hello Tadreamers, I have one seemingly easy question. How can I unsubscribe from tadream and tangerinedream groups? I have to mention that email to tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com and tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com don't work. I receive the confirmation request but nothing happens. I still got the mail from both groups. regards baG [ http://tadream.ac.pl/ ] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27424 Re: Unsubscribe jowers Thu 6/14/2001 2 KB 27426 Re: Unsubscribe baG Fri 6/15/2001 2 KB 27429 Re: Unsubscribe spawnofcthulhu@w... Fri 6/15/2001 3 KB 27430 Re: Unsubscribe baG Fri 6/15/2001 2 KB 29384 Unsubscribe Phil Wingfield Fri 10/5/2001 2 KB 29411 Re: Unsubscribe Rimas Lazutka Sat 10/6/2001 3 KB From: jowers Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 12:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Unsubscribe > I have one seemingly easy question. How can I unsubscribe from > tadream and tangerinedream groups? I have to mention that email to > tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com and > tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com don't work. I receive the > confirmation request but nothing happens. I still got the mail from > both groups. You can't unsubscribe yourself. Edgar has to do it for you. (Just kidding, I don't know the answer to your question, sorry) Kevin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27426 Re: Unsubscribe baG Fri 6/15/2001 2 KB From: GCall10692@a... Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 12:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New CD Now discount coupon In a message dated 6/11/01 11:27:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, miguel@n... writes: > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: baG Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 12:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Unsubscribe jowers wrote: >> I have one seemingly easy question. How can I unsubscribe from >> tadream and tangerinedream groups? I have to mention that email to >> tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com and >> tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com don't work. I receive the >> confirmation request but nothing happens. I still got the mail from >> both groups. > You can't unsubscribe yourself. Edgar has to do it for you. Maybe you're wright, maybe he asks me not to unsubscibe but I put a mail filter on him utill he stared to mix whole world. > (Just kidding, I don't know the answer to your question, sorry) No problem, me too. Maybe not. regards baG [ http://tadream.ac.pl/ ] From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 2:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes I had a copy of Rockoon on cassette. I will have to look to see if I still have it......and the condition. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'lawlermusic' To: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:40 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes > > > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:57:22 -0400 vic rek > > writes: > > > > > I am wondering if anyone would be willing to sell/trade for the > > > following cassettes: [. . .] > > > > Errr, I don't, but I do have cassettes of: > > > > o A TIME FOR HEROES -- Meat Loaf, Tangerine Dream [Orpheum Records] > > o WUIVEND RIET -- Johannes Schmoelling [on the Erdenklang label] > > > > I'm thinking of going the eBAY route with them. > > > I have the cassettes of Firestarter , Miracle Mile and Dream sequence . Are > these rare or not ? > I also have the original Zoo of Tranquility, Tatort , on Vinyl . they could > be common , I dont know > > Paul > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 3:46 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Live Osnabrueck ONTO a official CD!!! READ!!!!! Rainer, How was ths show? What did he play (new stuff)? MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Rainer Rutka [mailto:rainer@k...] > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:16 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Live Osnabrueck ONTO a official CD!!! > READ!!!!! > > > Hi! > > Got this email from Mario today. > This is what I call GOOD NEWS! > > Rainer > > Pictures form Klaus' Concert: www.rutka.de/td -> NEWS > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > You could call it 'Faster than the speed of light': Around the 16th > July 2001, Manikin Records´ sublabel Rainhorse will release two > exciting CDs, containing the complete recordings of the Osnabrück > concert (from June, the 9th 2001), performed by Klaus Schulze and > Wolfgang Tiepold (cello) in front of an enthusiastic audience. This > concert was part of the KlangArt-Festival. The voluminous CD-booklets > will contain extensive photo-coverage from this concert. > One individual CD will cost 35,00 DM + postage/packing (Germany: 3,00 > DM; Europe: 8,00 DM; other foreign countries: 16,00 DM). If you act > fast and order (and pay for) both CDs, before July, the 9th 2001 at > Manikin Records, you´ll get this 2-CD-set for only 60,00 DM + > postage/packing (Germany: 5,00 DM; Europe: 8,00 DM; other foreign > countries: 16,00 DM). As a special-bonus, the first 222 costumers, > will get their CD-sets with exclusive signed and numbered booklets! > --- > Please send all order E-Mails to order@m... > --- > Kind Regards/Beste Grüße > Mario Schönwälder > Manikin Records > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 3:56 am Subject: [tadream] RE: Unsubscribe 1. Go to the yahoo groups home page and sign in. 2. Click 'my groups' and then 'edit my groups'. 3. Click the gray box to the right of the group name and select unsubscribe. 4. Go to the bottom of the page and click 'save changes'. 5. Step outside after dark, look up at the reddish star in the southeastern part of the sky to the left of Scorpio, and say hello to Mars. mike  wrote: Hello Tadreamers, I have one seemingly easy question. How can I unsubscribe from tadream and tangerinedream groups? I have to mention that email to tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com and tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com don't work. I receive the confirmation request but nothing happens. I still got the mail from both groups. regards baG Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27430 Re: Unsubscribe baG Fri 6/15/2001 2 KB From: baG Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 9:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Unsubscribe spawnofcthulhu wrote: > 1. Go to the yahoo groups home page and sign in. > [...] I try it but it isn't works, because I can't remember my id. I tried to use Yahoogroups searchengine, too but it is unable to find my e-mail address. regards baG [ http://tadream.ac.pl/ ] From: ajogon@n... Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 10:43 am Subject: Re: Looking for some TD cassettes --- In tadream@y..., 'Marcel Engels' wrote: > I've got a dozen cassettes of old never released > music from FSP...and it isn't worth anything! :-) Hey Marcel, don't be like Edgar! Release that unreleased music of yours :-) Antonio From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 2:43 am Subject: To unsub . . . The best way is to go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/join?referer=1 Steven From: scfeldman@j... 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From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 5:32 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes My TD collection on original cassettes is now very small (thanks mainly to Nicola Cont :-)): Poland Legend Sorcerer Don't know if anyone's interested Paul Fellows ---------- >De : 'lawlermusic' >Ŕ : >Objet : Re: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes >Date : Jeu 14 juin 2001 16:35 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:40 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes > > >> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:57:22 -0400 vic rek >> writes: >> >> > I am wondering if anyone would be willing to sell/trade for the >> > following cassettes: [. . .] >> >> Errr, I don't, but I do have cassettes of: >> >> o A TIME FOR HEROES -- Meat Loaf, Tangerine Dream [Orpheum Records] >> o WUIVEND RIET -- Johannes Schmoelling [on the Erdenklang label] >> >> I'm thinking of going the eBAY route with them. > > > I have the cassettes of Firestarter , Miracle Mile and Dream sequence . Are > these rare or not ? > I also have the original Zoo of Tranquility, Tatort , on Vinyl . they could > be common , I dont know > > Paul > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] To the Geniuses Trying to Unsubscribe Yes, you are so right. Sorry. X-0 Steven On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:07:34 +0200 baG writes: > scfeldman wrote: > > > This is at the bottom at each and every post we receive: > > Please read your mail carefully, before replying. > > baG > [ http://tadream.ac.pl/ ] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! 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I have moved my mailbox to another provider. kind regards baG [ http://tadream.ac.pl/ ] From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Sat Jun 16, 2001 6:18 pm Subject: Le Parc hi can anyone help me? i have been searching for 15 years without luck for this CD:- Le Parc - Jive Electro UK release CHIP26. if anyone has this and is willing to trade or sell please contact me at the below address thanks Ps. i am also after a copy of The Flashpoint CD on Heavy Metal records (Unplayable) Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Sat Jun 16, 2001 6:52 pm Subject: Flashpoint CD. Hello Duncan. I have the soundtrack on vinyl(heavy metal) picture disk,but sadly no CD. From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Sat Jun 16, 2001 6:56 pm Subject: LE PARC CD.l Sorry Duncan,I got the titles totally mixed up. From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Sat Jun 16, 2001 6:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Looking for some TD cassettes I have some cassettes - bought 'em in Poland where you still can buy a lot of casettes next to cds. That's my little collection Le Parc Green Desert The Park is Mine Canyon Dreams Turn the Tides Deadly Care Tyranny of Beauty Electronic Meditation Zeit Lily on the Beach Alpha Centauri Dead Solid Perfect 220 Volt Live Underwater Sunlight - last track damaged Book of Dreams (best of) Pergamon Tyger kas Goblin's Club Poland I saw also the following casettes in the shops: Live Miles, Miracle Mile, Tangram, Rockoon, Stratosfear, and maybe Phaedra. Greetz: Station_M Now Listening: Poland (from Casette) From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Sat Jun 16, 2001 6:58 pm Subject: Le parc-flashpoint CD,S Sorry chaps, to much bloody glenfiddich. From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Sun Jun 17, 2001 1:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappearing in Europe? Frank: << I just wanted to say thanks to our fearless administrator and my friend Vic, for bringing to fruition a great idea of bringing together people of Electronic Music and Tangerine Dream. May it continue to grow as it deserves to . >> Hear! Hear! I've put together gatherings of this sort in the past, and it takes an enormous amount of time and aggravation to make it come off. Mucho thanks to Mr. Vic! Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Sun Jun 17, 2001 12:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 Marion: Good to hear from you! Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, but this is my first chance in quite a while to do relaxed, coherent e-mail responses. I'm glad that we decided to 'take the plunge' and sign up for the Okeefenokee get together. It's about a day's drive from East Tennessee (where I live). My husband visited the area years ago, and I am looking forward to it after reading all the accounts. Although I am new to collecting Tangerine Dream and other electronic music, I've been a collector of various things all my life, and understand the fun of getting together with fellow devotees and sharing what other folks think of as an eccentricity. I was able to visit a local list member's collection and it was downright awe-inspiring to see all the different versions of LPs and CDs that he had. Nice, nice stuff. The more I hear of it, the more I like it. So far, I'm up to about 30 various CD titles, and I'm starting to branch out into other e-composers like Klaus Schulze and Steve Roach. My principal background is with modern classical music -- Phillip Glass, Steven Reich, John Adams, etc. -- so my current interest is a natural progression. As far as 'girlie' questions go, I have a habit of getting involved in pursuits that I'm the only female (*sigh*). I'm very married, almost 50, have a grown child, and don't look like the sort of gal that guys would hit on (it's been a decade or so), but you never know. At my age, its more of a novelty than an irritation. Still, I'm glad my husband is going with me to Okeefenokee because I enjoy things so much more when I am with him. He is good company and a lot of fun to be with, even if he is not that interested in the e-music. He is very adaptable and will fit right in. So how did you get interested in TD? I take it their fan base is quite different in the U.K. than it is in the U.S. My husband and I have a lot of ties with folks in Northern Ireland, and have travelled to Derry and Belfast. We are also Episcopalian and have many British/Anglican friends. Best wishes, Deb H-J drbjohn@e... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'horrod6' To: 'dreamers' Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 1:37 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 > Deb wrote: > > 'I also heard that there was only one other female from the list > attending (!).' > > Yep, that was me. I had a great time - the guys did all the housework > . There's an extremely lengthy post somewhere in the archives from > me, so I don't propose to go into it all again. Suffice it to say that I > plan to go again next year if I possibly can. > > Feel free to e-mail me off-list if you have any 'girly' questions. > > And you're right about the tick repellant - and every other noxious > insect you've ever heard of. > > LnH > > Marion > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27462 Re: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 Armin Theissen Tue 6/19/2001 2 KB From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Sun Jun 17, 2001 8:12 am Subject: The Keep on TV hi anyone in the UK who can recieve Film 4, watch on Wednesday night at 10pm, they are Screening THE KEEP i do not know which version this will be but i will be watching and video recording as my copy is worn out :-) Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27451 Re: The Keep on TV Chris Owen Sun 6/17/2001 3 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sun Jun 17, 2001 8:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep on TV Best of all, knowing FilmFour's policy, The Keep will be shown in all its widescreen glory! ----- Original Message ----- From: Duncan Mckee To: tadream ; tangerine dream Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 1:12 AM Subject: [tadream] The Keep on TV > hi > anyone in the UK who can recieve Film 4, watch on Wednesday night at 10pm, they are Screening THE KEEP i do not know which version this will be but i will be watching and video recording as my copy is worn out :-) > > > Duncan McKee > > mckee17@m... > > http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm > > ICQ 41739379 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Sun Jun 17, 2001 1:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 Marion: Whoops! You'd think that after all these years of doing e-mail I would check and make sure I was responding to an individual and not a whole group =;o{ No harm done with the message, just that it probably works best directed at Marion and not the whole group. Slightly red, Deb H-J drbjohn@e... ------ Original Message ----- From: 'Deborah Johnson' To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 > Marion: > > Good to hear from you! Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, but this is > my first chance in quite a while to do relaxed, coherent e-mail responses. From: horrod6 Date: Sun Jun 17, 2001 4:41 pm Subject: Locations for Dreamers' get-togethers Gustavo wrote: 'What about the crater made by Comas Sola in Mars? heheheh' LOL You organise it, Gustavo, I'll be there! LnH Marion From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun Jun 17, 2001 5:57 pm Subject: Homepage update: 3CDR version of SBE Hi all TD-Fan`s, now it is ready, the unindexed version of the Shepherds Bush Empire Concert: 12th of May 2001 It is a limited 3 CDR version of only 25 copies!!!! release date: 17.06.2001 please follow the link: www.opticaldream.de Regards heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Thomas' Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 9:20 am Subject: Re: Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappearing in Europe? Holland isn't that far off, is it? I'm thinking of the yearly Alpha Centauri festival, which is usually a huge success. If you want more info, contact Eric Snelders at http://www.alfacentauri.nl/ and look for electronic music festival... Or go to www.groove.nl and check out the links and events. Best regards, Thomas *********************************' Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:50:29 -0000 From: 'Hilary Wright' Subject: > > I wonder whether there would be enough people to make such > an event happen in Ireland.... (who laughed?) > Hi all, I'd join a group in Ireland. Sounds great to me! Or in France - even better. Hilary From: gmroger@p... Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 12:10 pm Subject: Re: Blue Spears - remix or new track? About a week or so ago we were trying to decide whether 'Blue Spears' from 'Dream Mixes 3' is a remix or a new track, and it was suggested that it is a remix of an 'Oasis' track. Two tracks it appears close to from that album are 'Zion' and 'Reflections', but it has to be said that if you listen hard to any new TD track you could probably link it with previous works. For me, it's too far removed to be of any similarity, and the jury is still out on this one, and methinks it is a new piece... Roger Hartopp -- Kamera wideo Sony, 5000 zl wygraj w konkursie eMarketu i Onet.pl [ http://konkursy.onet.pl/emarket ] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27457 Re: Blue Spears - remix or new track? glynn_naughton@h... Mon 6/18/2001 3 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 1:32 pm Subject: Re: Blue Spears - remix or new track? Hello there, I was the one who suggested it was from _Oasis_. However, I still don't have my CDs to hand to verify this. However, I am 100% sure that this is an existing TD piece. And it's not from _Transsiberia_, _GWOC_, _Ambient Monkeys_, _Seven Letters of Tibet_, _Hollywood Years I_, Sony Topping Out or the Dream Dice bonus disk; cos I haven't heard any of those. Glynn --- In tadream@y..., gmroger@p... wrote: > About a week or so ago we were trying to decide whether 'Blue Spears' from 'Dream Mixes 3' is a remix or a new > track, and it was suggested that it is a remix of an 'Oasis' track. Two tracks it appears close to from that album are > 'Zion' and 'Reflections', but it has to be said that if you listen hard to any new TD track you could probably link it with > previous works. For me, it's too far removed to be of any similarity, and the jury is still out on this one, and methinks > it is a new piece... > > Roger Hartopp > > > > > -- > > Kamera wideo Sony, 5000 zl > wygraj w konkursie eMarketu i Onet.pl [ http://konkursy.onet.pl/emarket ] From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: Blue spears. New track or remix. This Blue spears track really is a mindbender.Ive been sitting here for weeks,and still cant work this one out.The oasis probabilities are there musically,something draws me to Quinoa but i certainly dont know why?Nah! it cant be absolutley no chance.Damn it! I think i,ll leave it to the experts. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27460 Re: Blue spears. New track or remix. Dave Brewer Tue 6/19/2001 3 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sun Jun 17, 2001 11:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappearing in Europe? Alfa Centauri (yes, Eric spells it with an F, not PH) was April and it featured Rick Wakeman. In September, I was looking forward to E-Live. Unfortunately, it was cancelled due to poor pre-sales. Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com -----Original Message----- From: Thomas To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:14 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappearing in Europe? >Holland isn't that far off, is it? I'm thinking of the yearly Alpha Centauri >festival, which is usually a huge success. If you want more info, contact >Eric Snelders at http://www.alfacentauri.nl/ and look for electronic music >festival... > >Or go to www.groove.nl and check out the links and events. > >Best regards, > >Thomas >*********************************' > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:50:29 -0000 > From: 'Hilary Wright' >> >> I wonder whether there would be enough people to make such >> an event happen in Ireland.... (who laughed?) > >Hi all, > >I'd join a group in Ireland. Sounds great to me! Or in France - even >better. > >Hilary From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Tue Jun 19, 2001 3:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Blue spears. New track or remix. Colin Said: >This Blue spears track really is a mindbender.Ive been sitting here >for weeks,and still cant work this one out.The oasis probabilities >are there musically,something draws me to Quinoa but i certainly dont >know why?Nah! it cant be absolutley no chance.Damn it! I think i,ll >leave it to the experts. > I don't know if I'd call myself an expert, since I've been listening to TD for only about 12 years, but I've been following this debate with enough interest to stir me into posting. I agree that Blue Spears does sound like it could be from Oasis, but I'm pretty sure this is an all new track (the only one for DM3, eh?). Also, I find it in a similar vein as Iowa from DM1 and Culpa Levis from DM2. All of these are new tracks, are perhaps the least techno/dance/whatever-flavored on each of their albums and (at least to my ears) sound like they could very well be Edgar solo tunes. At least to me, they sound like they could fit with the new music found on his Beyond the Storm comp. Of course, this is just how the music strikes my brain and I wanted to share it. Also, it does bug me that Franke/Baumann/Schmoelling aren't given credit for the DM3 tracks. But it's nothing new, as Franke and Schmoelling aren't mentioned on the Shepherds Bush single for Thief Yang. But for some reason, they are mentioned on the World Tour single for Maedchen... The mind boggles! :-) Dave B. From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Tue Jun 19, 2001 7:10 am Subject: Re: Okefenokee 2002... we can go straight to Alpha Centauri, or do a Froese-Aqua meeting on NGC 891... a. --- In tadream@y..., Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > > From: horrod6 > >Mind you, > >you'll have to think up a way of linking the location to a TD track! > >LnH > >Marion > > Tula, in northern Greenland, as proposed by Armin 'Scale' Theissen, is a > good idea, but I think I have a better one: What about the crater made by > Comas Sola in Mars? heheheh From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Tue Jun 19, 2001 7:16 am Subject: Re: Okefenokee 2001 --> 2002 --- In tadream@y..., 'Deborah Johnson' wrote: > Marion: > [snip] > > So how did you get interested in TD? I take it their fan base is quite > different in the U.K. than it is in the U.S. My husband and I have a lot of > ties with folks in Northern Ireland, and have travelled to Derry and > Belfast. We are also Episcopalian and have many British/Anglican friends. > ...and I lived in Northern Ireland for 4 years and haven't met anybody who ever heard of Tangerine Dream (list member Conrad Gibbons lives just across the border) Nevertheless, I was lucky to spot a number of bootlegs at Hector's record collector in Belfast (Raeticon, for instance, my favourite). Another 2nd hand place in Dublin has got the 4 LP 70-80 plus the picture booklet! just thought that might interest somebody a. From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Tue Jun 19, 2001 8:21 am Subject: website hi everyone please note i have moved my website to a better server Url is below also note my new email address - below. thanks BTW there is a bit of flash animation on my new site so make sure you have flash player installed :-) Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Jun 19, 2001 6:51 pm Subject: Twilight Folder Does anyone remember what's supposed to be on the Twilight Folder release due sometime this year? It's been so long ago that this release was announced I can't remember. Was it originally 'rarities from 1983-2000' as the TDI website states now or was it something else? Is there a release date for it, yet? In time for the much-anticipated late October... U.S. tour, perhaps? Any reviews of the Osnabrueck Klaus Schulze concert? --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27466 Re: Twilight Folder Feldon Feldon Wed 6/20/2001 3 KB From: ampmusic Date: Tue Jun 19, 2001 2:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] EM festivals disappearing in Europe? Alfa Centauri this year, as usual conveniently staged near Amsterdam, was pretty packed with an attendance of well over 600. This was the 8th festival, the first in a new larger venue, and the first to expand its appeal towards a wider audience with the inclusion of Rick Wakeman as headline act, inevitably pulling in a lot of prog rock as well as synth music fans. But TD- or German-style synth music was still well represented, with a melodic set from Peter Mergener (of Software), a much more dark/ambient performance from Lightwave (who are French - but sound as if they could be German) and an eye-opening set from Hans Joachim Roedelius and Alquimia. Roedelius of course started on the Berlin scene with TD, played with Dieter Moebius in Cluster (and with Michael Rother in Harmonia) and has many solo albums available which tend towards the ambient and new age, but his recent collaborative CD with Mexican musician Alquimia ('Move And Resonate') mixes elements of her more up-tempo synthesizer style, singing, and world music elements. Alquimia's solo tracks at Alfa Centauri featured more sequencer-based stuff from her CD 'A Separate Reality', which has been described as 'a cross between Enya and Tangerine Dream', and judging from a packed CD signing session afterwards, went down very well. She also appeared at the successful 'Music for the 3rd Millennium' festival in London last October. There's no news as yet about a possible Alfa Centauri 2002, but with CEOS, Space TranceTronic and E-Live all apparently off, it may be the next major European festival to look forward to... There's more on the Alfa Centauri show at http://www.alfacentauri.nl/ and more on 'Music for the 3rd Millennium' and on otherwise unavailable Alquimia and Rick Wakeman tracks at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html Bill Fox wrote: > Alfa Centauri (yes, Eric spells it with an F, not PH) was April and it featured > Rick Wakeman. In September, I was looking forward to E-Live. Unfortunately, it > was cancelled due to poor pre-sales. > > Bill billfox@f... > http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html > ============================================================================ > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at > 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. > Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org > Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox > To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send > email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:14 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee 2002 Dates - EM festivals disappearing in > Europe? > > >Holland isn't that far off, is it? I'm thinking of the yearly Alpha Centauri > >festival, which is usually a huge success. If you want more info, contact > >Eric Snelders at http://www.alfacentauri.nl/ and look for electronic music > >festival... > > > >Or go to www.groove.nl and check out the links and events. > > > >Best regards, > > > >Thomas > >*********************************' > > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:50:29 -0000 > > From: 'Hilary Wright' > >> > >> I wonder whether there would be enough people to make such > >> an event happen in Ireland.... (who laughed?) > > > >Hi all, > > > >I'd join a group in Ireland. Sounds great to me! Or in France - even > >better. > > > >Hilary > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27467 Re: EM festivals disappearing in Europe? john@p... Wed 6/20/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Wed Jun 20, 2001 4:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Twilight Folder At the last minute, Antique Dreams changed from 1974-1983 rarities to 1974-1990 rarities. Following the same equation, Twilight Folder would have to be 1983-2007 rarities :) -Morgan At 11:51 AM 6/19/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone remember what's supposed to be on the Twilight Folder release >due sometime this year? It's been so long ago that this release was >announced I can't remember. Was it originally 'rarities from 1983-2000' as >the TDI website states now or was it something else? > >Is there a release date for it, yet? In time for the much-anticipated late >October... U.S. tour, perhaps? > >Any reviews of the Osnabrueck Klaus Schulze concert? > > > >--tei >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: john@p... Date: Wed Jun 20, 2001 11:00 am Subject: Re: EM festivals disappearing in Europe? --- In tadream@y..., ampmusic wrote: > with [..] TranceTronic [..] apparently off There's nothing to announce yet, but we're carefuly using the word 'postponed'. jc From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Wed Jun 20, 2001 10:17 pm Subject: Froese solo , good or bad ? I have been a harsh critic of modern TD in the last few years ,especially edgar , yet whilst listening to his early solo works i cant understand whats going on . I really like what I hear , yes its the same chords he always likes to use but there is something very different to the tracks that he write today . I often think that its because TDI have only themselves to answer to these days instead of an A&R guy from a record label screaming down their ear. We can argue that the A&R man may be bad thing and that he restricts the artist .......maybe ! but I cant help thinking that without the pressure , without the ' I have to do this to get a name /keep the audience' syndrome , then people take things for granted and take the fact that they will sell x amount of CDs to be a license to put out whatever they see fit What do other people think ? Eds early work seems so much more focused that the later stuff , the later stuff sounding lazy and noodling like !!!????? sorry for the typos ....too much beer etc Paul . From: ampmusic Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 2:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Froese solo You are totally correct. Although TD didn't suffer much from being 'forced to be commercial' in the early years because they were being so innovative, you can see that there was at least some discretion being applied by A&R staff - maybe that explains the non-issue in the UK of Edgar's 'Macula Transfer' for example. As TD strode through the years sucessively alienating various record companies and their staff (see for instance the grumpy sleeve notes about Private Music on the 'Dream Mixes' DVD) they must have had less and less outside input - and they never had external management, which is the standard way of having some objective view of the quality of your own music. Remember that when on your own label, you only need to sell a fifth of what you need to sell when signed to a major label to get the same income. So you can happily lose, bore, or through your business practices alienate 80% of your old audience, and still retain a decent income for your old age :-) Paul Lawler wrote: > I have been a harsh critic of modern TD in the last few years ,especially > edgar , yet whilst listening to his early solo works i cant understand whats > going on . > I really like what I hear , yes its the same chords he always likes to use > but there is something very different to the tracks that he write today . I > often think that its because TDI have only themselves to answer to these > days instead of an A&R guy from a record label screaming down their ear. > We can argue that the A&R man may be bad thing and that he restricts the > artist .......maybe ! but I cant help thinking that without the pressure , > without the ' I have to do this to get a name /keep the audience' syndrome , > then people take things for granted and take the fact that they will sell x > amount of CDs to be a license to put out whatever they see fit > What do other people think ? Eds early work seems so much more focused that > the later stuff , the later stuff sounding lazy and noodling like !!!????? > sorry for the typos ....too much beer etc > > Paul > > . > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: '199' <199@1...> Date: Wed Jun 20, 2001 8:19 pm Subject: Macula Trasnfer The reason that Macula Transfer has not been released and quickly withdrawn by Mannekin, was for the simple reason that the records rights still remain in dispute...today !! Brain or Virgin.... this has not yet been resolved... Not forgetting that EF was a Virgin artist at the time... and that the release was on Brain !? You are totally correct. Although TD didn't suffer much from being 'forced to be commercial' in the early years because they were being so innovative, you can see that there was at least some discretion being applied by A&R staff - maybe that explains the non-issue in the UK of Edgar's 'Macula Transfer' for example. As TD strode through the years sucessively alienating various record companies and their staff (see for instance the grumpy sleeve notes about Private Music on the 'Dream Mixes' DVD) they must have had less and less outside input - and they never had external management, which is the standard way of having some objective view of the quality of your own music. Remember that when on your own label, you only need to sell a fifth of what you need to sell when signed to a major label to get the same income. So you can happily lose, bore, or through your business practices alienate 80% of your old audience, and still retain a decent income for your old age :-) Paul Lawler wrote: > I have been a harsh critic of modern TD in the last few years ,especially > edgar , yet whilst listening to his early solo works i cant understand whats > going on . > I really like what I hear , yes its the same chords he always likes to use > but there is something very different to the tracks that he write today . I > often think that its because TDI have only themselves to answer to these > days instead of an A&R guy from a record label screaming down their ear. > We can argue that the A&R man may be bad thing and that he restricts the > artist .......maybe ! but I cant help thinking that without the pressure , > without the ' I have to do this to get a name /keep the audience' syndrome , > then people take things for granted and take the fact that they will sell x > amount of CDs to be a license to put out whatever they see fit > What do other people think ? Eds early work seems so much more focused that > the later stuff , the later stuff sounding lazy and noodling like !!!????? > sorry for the typos ....too much beer etc > > Paul > > . > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 12:22 am Subject: King Edward On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:17:26 +0100 'Paul Lawler' writes: >[. . .] TDI have only themselves to answer to these days >instead of an A&R guy from a record label screaming down >their ear. We can argue that the A&R man may be bad thing >and that he restricts the artist .......maybe ! I have long felt that this is the reason why Ed has been so slack for the last 5 years. Like George Lucas, he is Lord of All He Surveys at his own little company and no is there to tell him when he's being a dumbass. Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: ampmusic Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 3:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Macula Transfer 199 wrote: > The reason that Macula Transfer has not been released and quickly withdrawn by Mannekin, was for the simple reason that > the records rights still remain in dispute...today !! > > Brain or Virgin.... this has not yet been resolved... > Not forgetting that EF was a Virgin artist at the time... > and that the release was on Brain !? Exactly my point (about the occasionally positive input of A&R men). EF's other solo albums were on Virgin, yet Macula Transfer (LP) didn't appear on Virgin, but only in Germany and on Brain. I'm not talking about the recent attempts to issue it on CD, since Paul Lawler was talking about historical trends, not specific recent developments... From: 'Harri Ikonen' Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 5:47 pm Subject: Hardcore TD While looking for some TD stuff, Google came up with this site: http://www.tangerinedreamxxx.com Are TD record sales so low that they'll have to resort to income from hardcore pr0n? Just kidding ;) However, the truth is that the pages do say 'Copyright (c) Tangerine Dream'. I wonder if the TDI staff is aware of this? Regards, Harri Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27475 Re: Hardcore TD ampmusic Thu 6/21/2001 3 KB From: cosmos@w... Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 6:40 pm Subject: sale trade hello i'm cleaning out some music out of my collection. make me an offer on any of these (rare) items. take a look at http://home.wanadoo.nl/cosmos/sale-trade.htm andre From: ampmusic Date: Fri Jun 22, 2001 12:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Hardcore TD This has got no similarity to the TD site. It's got some great electronic dance music on it, it's aimed at people who WANT to get screwed, and it strongly features a big c*nt. On the other hand...;-) Harri Ikonen wrote: > While looking for some TD stuff, Google came up with this > site: > > http://www.tangerinedreamxxx.com > > Are TD record sales so low that they'll have to resort to > income from hardcore pr0n? Just kidding ;) However, the > truth is that the pages do say 'Copyright (c) Tangerine > Dream'. I wonder if the TDI staff is aware of this? > > Regards, > Harri > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Thomas' Date: Fri Jun 22, 2001 9:23 am Subject: Re: Macula Transfer Actually, all of Eddies albums were released on Brain before they ever came out on Virgin. Aqua, Epsilon (Ypsilon) and Macula Transfer (I'm not forgetting Electronic Dreams, but it's nothing but a compilation anyway). After that he signed with Virgin, and his prior releases were pressed on the Virgin label. BTW, anybody interested in a Spanish pressing of Ages??? Let me know offlist, please... I got the impression with the Manikin release that it was a problem of Edgar Froese not liking his original composition, and probably wanted to 'touch it up' before a new release... :) Thomas Message: 3 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:20:25 +0000 From: ampmusic Subject: Re: Macula Transfer 199 wrote: > The reason that Macula Transfer has not been released and quickly withdrawn by Mannekin, was for the simple reason that > the records rights still remain in dispute...today !! > > Brain or Virgin.... this has not yet been resolved... > Not forgetting that EF was a Virgin artist at the time... > and that the release was on Brain !? Exactly my point (about the occasionally positive input of A&R men). EF's other solo albums were on Virgin, yet Macula Transfer (LP) didn't appear on Virgin, but only in Germany and on Brain. I'm not talking about the recent attempts to issue it on CD, since Paul Lawler was talking about historical trends, not specific recent developments... From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Jun 22, 2001 4:15 pm Subject: News for Polish fans - the concert is on a new most(bridge) Okay, here's the latest news from the TDI website: -- 'TD concert dates 2001 (update)!!' 'Most Beautiful Rock For Peace' On the historic date of September 1st, Tangerine Dream will play a free open air concert in the heart of Warsaw. 'Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' ('Most' being the Polish word for 'bridge') will take place on the newest suspension bridge in Poland's capital. A stage and sound system will be set up on the bridge and the audience will be able to watch the concert from the river bank. The show will feature extraordinary effects, such as: - extravagant lighting - laser show - water screens - pyrotechnics and fireworks As September 1st is the anniversary of the German invasion of Poland, the concert is of highly symbolic significance - it is to flash a symbol for peace and Poland's bridge towards Europe, hence the unusual location. The show is organized and supported by the government of Warsaw. Website of the promoter: http://www.estrada.com.pl/ Showtime is scheduled for around 8:30 p.m.' Okay, now I have to persuade the wife to go this time. How about some promotional posters in the country? - Roger Hartopp From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jun 22, 2001 10:34 pm Subject: tdi updae 22 june 2001/poland here we come -- 'TD concert dates 2001 (update)!!' 'Most Beautiful Rock For Peace' On the historic date of September 1st, Tangerine Dream will play a free open air concert in the heart of Warsaw. 'Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' ('Most' being the Polish word for 'bridge') will take place on the newest suspension bridge in Poland's capital. A stage and sound system will be set up on the bridge and the audience will be able to watch the concert from the river bank. The show will feature extraordinary effects, such as: - extravagant lighting - laser show - water screens - pyrotechnics and fireworks As September 1st is the anniversary of the German invasion of Poland, the concert is of highly symbolic significance - it is to flash a symbol for peace and Poland's bridge towards Europe, hence the unusual location. The show is organized and supported by the government of Warsaw. Website of the promoter: http://www.estrada.com.pl/ Showtime is scheduled for around 8:30 p.m. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat Jun 23, 2001 1:52 am Subject: Friday Night mIRC Hello, Is there still the Friday night chats on mIRC? How does one get there? Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Jun 24, 2001 12:36 pm Subject: Archive of misheard lyrics Hi all, there's a funny archive of mis-heard/understood song lyrics at http://www.kissthisguy.com/ Anybody care to add his/her TD experience ? best regards, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27481 Re: Archive of misheard lyrics Joel S. Mullen Sun 6/24/2001 2 KB From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Sun Jun 24, 2001 6:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Archive of misheard lyrics Just a warning the pop-up windows will start to pile up after a while, but not as bad as *some* sites you might accidently run across...... On Sunday, June 24, 2001 7:37 AM, Klaus Beschorner [SMTP:klaus@c...] wrote: > > Hi all, > there's a funny archive of mis-heard/understood song lyrics at > http://www.kissthisguy.com/ > > Anybody care to add his/her TD experience ? > > best regards, > klaus > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Sun Jun 24, 2001 7:20 pm Subject: Music for sale Hello all, I'm making room for new additions to my cd collection so I have a short list of items for sale, including a few by TD, other EM and more. As I don't have a homepage I welcome mails off list from those who are interested. Thanks and goodnight (where applicable). /Olle np: Grosskopf/Kistenmacher - Characters From: 'Steve Jenkins' Date: Mon Jun 25, 2001 6:59 am Subject: Hampshire Jam - October Festival ***Please forward this message on to anyone who might be interested*** Since it became clear that the Autumn was going to be a live EM free zone with the cancellation of the E-Live event, and as a direct result of discussions on and off the Beyond_EM discussion list, several leading bands have all kindly agreed to play in a special one-off festival in Hampshire, England. The event is scheduled for October 27th, 2001 (full details at the end of this message) in the sleepy Hampshire village of Liphook. Confirmed line up: RMI, Airsculpture, Free System Projekt, Headshock (Paul Nagle/Tim Rafferty) and Under The Dome If you are keen to hear many of the top European EM acts then please contact me and book early. The venue is strictly limited to 160 seats, so tickets are to be allocated on a first come-first served basis. E-mail/telephone details are given below and at http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/octgig.htm Hampshire Jam Saturday October 27th , 2001 Venue: The Millenium Hall, Liphook, Hampshire Time: Probably doors open12 Noon Start 2pm, approx 10pm finish (exact timing to be confirmed) Line up: RMI Airsculpture Under The Dome Free System Projekt Headshock (Paul Nagle/Tim Rafferty) Cost: Ł15 per person Entry: Limited to the first 160 applicants...sorry seating restrictions apply Booking: E-mail request to steve@l... Payment: Cheque (payable to S Jenkins) or International Money Order Contact: Steve Jenkins 46a Longmoor Rd Liphook, Hampshire GU30 7NY England +44 (0) 1428 725092 Miscellaneous: Liphook is a medium sized village, located on the A3 (London-Portsmouth Road), 17 miles south of Guildford, 22 miles from Junction 10 of the M25 and 35 miles South West of London. Travel time from the main Channel ports/tunnel is approx 2 hours, making it an easy drive from Belgium/Holland/N France and N Germany. Rail travel is easy with Liphook on the mainline route from London to Portsmouth (1 train/hour). Within 3 miles of Liphook is Haslemere which is on the same line and has at least 3 trains/hour from London Waterloo (travel time approx 45 mins). Taxis are available from Haslemere to Liphook. I will post more travel details, accomodation info, venue details, etc over the next few weeks. This concert is a collective effort of the bands involved and of dedicated individuals interested in keeping EM (a)live. Please support this gig if you can. Steve Jenkins From: 'Steve Jenkins' Date: Mon Jun 25, 2001 7:09 am Subject: Re: [beyond_em] Hampshire Jam - October Festival To avoid any confusion, the cost will be FIFTEEN BRITISH POUNDS...sorry, the pound symbol appears to have disappeared from the posting. Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 7:59 AM Subject: [beyond_em] Hampshire Jam - October Festival > ***Please forward this message on to anyone who might be interested*** > > Since it became clear that the Autumn was going to be a live EM free zone > with the cancellation of the E-Live event, and as a direct result of > discussions on and off the Beyond_EM discussion list, several leading bands > have all kindly agreed to play in a special one-off festival in Hampshire, > England. > > The event is scheduled for October 27th, 2001 (full details at the end of > this message) in the sleepy Hampshire village of Liphook. > > Confirmed line up: RMI, Airsculpture, Free System Projekt, Headshock (Paul > Nagle/Tim Rafferty) and Under The Dome > > If you are keen to hear many of the top European EM acts then please contact > me and book early. The venue is strictly limited to 160 seats, so tickets > are to be allocated on a first come-first served basis. > > E-mail/telephone details are given below and at > http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/octgig.htm > > > > > Hampshire Jam > > Saturday October 27th , 2001 > > Venue: The Millenium Hall, Liphook, Hampshire > > Time: Probably doors open12 Noon > Start 2pm, approx 10pm finish (exact timing to be > confirmed) > > Line up: RMI > Airsculpture > Under The Dome > Free System Projekt > Headshock (Paul Nagle/Tim Rafferty) > > > Cost: 15 per person > > Entry: Limited to the first 160 applicants...sorry seating > restrictions apply > > Booking: E-mail request to steve@l... > > Payment: Cheque (payable to S Jenkins) or International Money Order > > Contact: Steve Jenkins > 46a Longmoor Rd > Liphook, Hampshire GU30 7NY > England > > +44 (0) 1428 725092 > > > Miscellaneous: Liphook is a medium sized village, located on the A3 > (London-Portsmouth Road), 17 miles south of Guildford, 22 miles from > Junction 10 of the M25 and 35 miles South West of London. Travel time from > the main Channel ports/tunnel is approx 2 hours, making it an easy drive > from Belgium/Holland/N France and N Germany. Rail travel is easy with > Liphook on the mainline route from London to Portsmouth (1 train/hour). > Within 3 miles of Liphook is Haslemere which is on the same line and has at > least 3 trains/hour from London Waterloo (travel time approx 45 mins). > Taxis are available from Haslemere to Liphook. > > > I will post more travel details, accomodation info, venue details, etc over > the next few weeks. > > This concert is a collective effort of the bands involved and of dedicated > individuals interested in keeping EM (a)live. Please support this gig if > you can. > > > > Steve Jenkins > > > My body converts toxic waste into penicillin, and I invented wool > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon Jun 25, 2001 3:27 pm Subject: To Ken Beal Ken, Something is wrong with your email-address. Mails keep coming back. Do you have another one? /Olle From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Jun 25, 2001 3:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Music for sale I'm interested Olle. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 1:20 PM Subject: [tadream] Music for sale > Hello all, > I'm making room for new additions to my cd collection so I have a > short list of items for sale, including a few by TD, other EM and > more. As I don't have a homepage I welcome mails off list from > those > who are interested. Thanks and goodnight (where applicable). > > /Olle > > np: Grosskopf/Kistenmacher - Characters > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Steve Jenkins' Date: Mon Jun 25, 2001 6:55 pm Subject: Hampshire Jam Payment Details Dave Law (Synth Music Direct) has kindly offered to take credit card payments for the October Hampshire Jam if anyone wants to use that method of payment. If so, pls mail me first to check availability before sending yr credit card details to david@n... Thanks Steve From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Tue Jun 26, 2001 12:14 am Subject: TD at electronicshadows.com Hey, In the new version of this EM website TD is covered with two reports from Shepherd's Bush (including pics) and a review of Dream Mixes 3. Have a look at http://www.electronicshadows.com Best whishes, Glenn Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/newtrax From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Tue Jun 26, 2001 12:06 pm Subject: Bernau ticket swap: early show wanted Hi, a friend (Siggi Lindhorst) has got two tickets for the second show on October, 7th, in Bernau near Berlin. He would like to give them away in trade for two tickets of the early show (19:00 o'clock / 7 p.m.). Please contact him directly (Phone & Fax: +49-4232-215; Germany; 04232-215) or send an e-mail to me offlist and I will forward it to him. Thanks and greetings, Peter From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Tue Jun 26, 2001 1:19 pm Subject: Baumann Screaming Hello All, Just a quick question..... In which concert was Edgar Playing the guitar, with Baumann accompanying on voice? Wasn't there a concert where Baumann was screaming with Edgar during the guitar solo? Thanks Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27494 Re: Baumann Screaming goozer@a... Tue 6/26/2001 2 KB 27505 Re: Baumann Screaming Julannparc@a... Thu 6/28/2001 2 KB 27506 Re: Baumann Screaming Julannparc@a... Thu 6/28/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Tue Jun 26, 2001 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] film screening UK viewers can treat themselves tonight to a screening of 'Solo' with music by Chris Franke (Channel 5, 9pm-10.50pm). Fairly orchestral music though from what I remember - not a synthesizer in sight (earshot?) :-( A more substantial televisual treat on Friday though - the absolutely bonkers 'In The Mouth Of Madness' from good old John Carpenter (BBC1 11.15pm-12.50) followed by a chance for everyone to know the void in 'Earth Final Conflict' (Ch. 4, 4.40am Saturday-5.25) with that excellent theme by Mickey Erbe and Maribeth Solomon. np; Gert Emmens 'Asteroids' - this is what Chris Franke used to sound like - analog sequencer madness!!!! Review to come on the EMIX site http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emixcds.html From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Jun 26, 2001 6:25 pm Subject: Warszawa I'm thinking about going to the open air concert with a friend who isn't on the list. Can anyone reccommend any cheap accommodation in Warsaw. Dziekuje in advance for your replies. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27498 Re: Warszawa Roger Hartopp Thu 6/28/2001 2 KB 27502 Re: Warszawa wyslannik@y... Thu 6/28/2001 3 KB 27507 Re: Warszawa Roger Hartopp Fri 6/29/2001 4 KB 27508 Re: Warszawa Piotr'Millennium' Fri 6/29/2001 2 KB 27509 Re: Warszawa Piotr'Millennium' Fri 6/29/2001 3 KB 27510 Re: Warszawa Piotr'Millennium' Fri 6/29/2001 2 KB 27514 Re: Warszawa Jorge Figueiredo Sun 7/1/2001 3 KB From: cinemafan@h... Date: Tue Jun 26, 2001 7:15 pm Subject: RARE VHS video's For Sale Hi, I am moving out of state and am going to sell of lots of my collection, no trades please. Others will follow , but heres the first group. Please contact me OFFLIST. These are rare VHS videos, which I prefer to sell as a set. Make sure you can play American VHS or you will have to get them transferred. I am asking 250.00 for the lot. Please Email me OFFLIST at cinemafan@h... for more information. click here: mailto:cinemanfan@h...?subject=TD videos or go here: http://www.tadream.net/members/cinemafan.htm From: goozer@a... Date: Tue Jun 26, 2001 10:05 pm Subject: Re: Baumann Screaming --- In tadream@y..., 'E Neal Frost' wrote: > Hello All, > > Just a quick question..... > > In which concert was Edgar Playing the guitar, with Baumann accompanying on voice? > > Wasn't there a concert where Baumann was screaming with Edgar during the guitar solo? > > Thanks > > Neal > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] He did it at a number of '76 shows...Paris, London, etc...irritating as hell. But then again so were some of the sets themselves.... goozer From: julzabop23@y... Date: Wed Jun 27, 2001 5:40 pm Subject: hi I'm new hi im new to the group and i was wondering if any one could help me out? im not sure what year but one of TD's songs were in the movie 'Legend' starring Tom Cruise and the title was 'Loved By The Sun'. i have looked through all their albums and i cant find this song anywhere. does anyone know where i can get it or what album it is on or if it is on any of the albums. Thanks Julie Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27497 Re: hi I'm new Roger Hartopp Thu 6/28/2001 2 KB 27499 Re: hi I'm new glynn_naughton@h... Thu 6/28/2001 3 KB 27501 Re: hi I'm new Antonio Nunes Thu 6/28/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 6:02 am Subject: Homepage update !!! Hi all, My TD Fan Homepage was updated : 28.06.01!!!!!! Update: Paul Haslinger - Octahedron Christopher Franke New Single`s Bootleg CD`s other Releases Links jump to: www.opticaldream.de Thank you for your visiti and I hope you enjoy it. Regards heiko from germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27837 Homepage update !!! NEUMANN.H-J@t... Sat 7/21/2001 2 KB 31320 Homepage update !!! NEUMANN.H-J@t... Mon 1/14/2002 3 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 7:46 am Subject: Re: hi I'm new --- In tadream@y..., julzabop23@y... wrote: > hi im new to the group and i was wondering if any one could help me > out? im not sure what year but one of TD's songs were in the > movie 'Legend' starring Tom Cruise and the title was 'Loved By The > Sun'. > i have looked through all their albums and i cant find this song > anywhere. does anyone know where i can get it or what album it is on > or if it is on any of the albums. > Thanks > Julie Hello Julie. Welcome to the group, and we especially welcome all ladies as the TD fanbase is perceived to be male dominated, which is not completely true! To answer your question, 'Loved by the Sun' can only be found on the soundtrack 'Legend', and we're talking about the Tangerine Dream version, and not the somewhat inferior version by Jerry Goldsmith - even by his standards. I'm not sure if it still available, but I'm sure the others on this list will point you in the right direction. Look forward to hearing more of your comments! - Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27499 Re: hi I'm new glynn_naughton@h... Thu 6/28/2001 3 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 7:52 am Subject: Re: Warszawa --- In tadream@y..., 'David Foster' wrote: > I'm thinking about going to the open air concert with a friend who isn't on the list. > > Can anyone reccommend any cheap accommodation in Warsaw. > > Dziekuje in advance for your replies. > > David > > I'm planning to do the same also (with the wife), although like most capital cities, even Warsaw can be expensive, from the three occasions I've been there. Can our Polish friends, particularly in Warsaw, give us some idea which bridge (most) it is and where exactly? Bardzo dobrze! To all our friends visiting the concert from outside the country, look forward to a smattering of essential Polish on this site, i.e. czy pan podobal sie ten groupa Tangerine Dream? (Or is it Tangerine'a Dreama? But I still haven't a clue on Polish cases!) Maybe, like London, a meeting point for fans could be arranged. - Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27502 Re: Warszawa wyslannik@y... Thu 6/28/2001 3 KB 27507 Re: Warszawa Roger Hartopp Fri 6/29/2001 4 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 8:55 am Subject: Re: hi I'm new --- In tadream@y..., 'Roger Hartopp' wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., julzabop23@y... wrote: > > hi im new to the group and i was wondering if any one could help me > > out? im not sure what year but one of TD's songs were in the > > movie 'Legend' starring Tom Cruise and the title was 'Loved By The > > Sun'. > > i have looked through all their albums and i cant find this song > > anywhere. does anyone know where i can get it or what album it is > on > > or if it is on any of the albums. > > Thanks > > Julie > > Hello Julie. Welcome to the group, and we especially welcome all > ladies as the TD fanbase is perceived to be male dominated, which is > not completely true! To answer your question, 'Loved by the Sun' can > only be found on the soundtrack 'Legend', and we're talking about the > Tangerine Dream version, and not the somewhat inferior version by > Jerry Goldsmith - even by his standards. I'm not sure if it still > available, but I'm sure the others on this list will point you in the > right direction. > > Look forward to hearing more of your comments! > > - Roger Hartopp There's a really nice piece about the TD vs. Goldsmith _Legend_ scores here: http://www.figmentfly.com/legend/question6.htm. The writer is pretty much strongly pro-Goldsmith. Glynn From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 9:32 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] hi I'm new Hi Julie, welcome to the forum of dreamers. Glad to see more women on the list. Enjoy :o) Poul > hi im new to the group and i was wondering if any one could help me > out? im not sure what year but one of TD's songs were in the > movie 'Legend' starring Tom Cruise and the title was 'Loved By The > Sun'. > i have looked through all their albums and i cant find this song > anywhere. does anyone know where i can get it or what album it is on > or if it is on any of the albums. > Thanks > Julie Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27503 Re: Sv: [tadream] hi I'm new Flyer Rocks Thu 6/28/2001 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 10:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: hi I'm new Roger Hartopp wrote: > To answer your question, 'Loved by the Sun' can > only be found on the soundtrack 'Legend', and we're talking about the > Tangerine Dream version, and not the somewhat inferior version by > Jerry Goldsmith - even by his standards. I'm not sure if it still > available, but I'm sure the others on this list will point you in the > right direction. 'Legend' is listed on the Groove catalog, so there are 95% of chances they have it in stock (so they say :-)) See http://www.groove.nl/emt_us.html Antonio From: wyslannik@y... Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 2:42 pm Subject: Re: Warszawa Hi, > I'm planning to do the same also (with the wife), although like most > capital cities, even Warsaw can be expensive, from the three > occasions I've been there. > > Can our Polish friends, particularly in Warsaw, give us some idea > which bridge (most) it is and where exactly? Bardzo dobrze! [in Polish]. Hej, Warszawiacy, doradzcie kolegom jakis niedrogi hotel (byle nie Dworzec Centralny), no i wogole, trzeba sie jakos zgrac w kwestii wspolnego spotkania. > To all our friends visiting the concert from outside the country, > look forward to a smattering of essential Polish on this site, i.e. > czy pan podobal sie ten groupa Tangerine Dream? Czy podobala sie panu grupa Tangerine Dream? ;). Roger, I looked for you before London's gig, but unfortunately I couldn't find you. I wanted to you ask you: are you Polish or you're only living in Poland ? ;) (Or is it Tangerine'a > Dreama? But I still haven't a clue on Polish cases!) > > Maybe, like London, a meeting point for fans could be arranged. That's what I said in Polish above. Probably most of us will wear some TD-T-shirts, so you will recognize us :) > - Roger Hartopp Cheers Jakub Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27507 Re: Warszawa Roger Hartopp Fri 6/29/2001 4 KB From: 'Flyer Rocks' Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 11:04 am Subject: Re: Sv: [tadream] hi I'm new Hi! And welcome to the list. Look at this url... http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=185920211/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.h\ tml/artistid=LEGEND/itemid=1298686 There you have it :-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 6:36 pm Subject: Homepage updated: World-wide TD adverts wanted Hello all I have not updated my homepage for several months, now a little editing is done with the following: I am looking for different varieties of Tangerine Dream(-related) adverts, namely those of band/solo member album/single releases, tour/concert and TD-scored movie/TV programs from all types of print publication (i.e. music mags, fanzines, newspapers etc. but NOT from the internet) from all over the world. I have put up some examples on my homepage at: http://members.tripodasia.com.hk/coldwatercanyon/tdadvert.html Both information and trade suggestion are very welcome. Please contact me off-list for details. Many thanks Jeffrey Hong Kong From: Julannparc@a... Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 6:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Baumann Screaming He he he .Edgars guitar playing irratating.Even some so-called die_hard fans talk S--t. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Julannparc@a... Date: Thu Jun 28, 2001 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Baumann Screaming I will re-phrase that.Baumanns screaming was awesome,Even td die-hards talk shite. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Jun 29, 2001 8:29 pm Subject: Re: Warszawa --- In tadream@y..., wyslannik@y... wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I'm planning to do the same also (with the wife), although like most > > capital cities, even Warsaw can be expensive, from the three > > occasions I've been there. > > > > Can our Polish friends, particularly in Warsaw, give us some idea > > which bridge (most) it is and where exactly? Bardzo dobrze! > > [in Polish]. Hej, Warszawiacy, doradzcie kolegom jakis niedrogi hotel > (byle nie Dworzec Centralny), no i wogole, trzeba sie jakos zgrac w > kwestii wspolnego spotkania. Not the Marriott hotel is it? > > To all our friends visiting the concert from outside the country, > > look forward to a smattering of essential Polish on this site, i.e. > > czy pan podobal sie ten groupa Tangerine Dream? Oczywiście! > Czy podobala sie panu grupa Tangerine Dream? ;). Roger, I looked for > you before London's gig, but unfortunately I couldn't find you. > I wanted to you ask you: are you Polish or you're only living in > Poland ? ;) Jestem Anglikiem, but living in Poland (Kraków to be precise). I waqs there at the concert, but with the bunch who met at Harvey's before and after the concert. > > (Or is it > Tangerine'a > > Dreama? But I still haven't a clue on Polish cases!) > > > > Maybe, like London, a meeting point for fans could be arranged. > > That's what I said in Polish above. Probably most of us will wear some > TD-T-shirts, so you will recognize us :) > > > - Roger Hartopp > > Cheers > Jakub Shows how good my Polish is, but it's enough to get by. Hey, if any fans are planning to come to the concert as part of a Polish holiday, How about giving Kraków a visit? At least I can show you around, and then all head up together on the Inter-city to Warsaw. Sorry, warsavians, but Kraków is a prettier city! The Polish lessons have finished for the Summer, but I plan to resume in the Autumn... Maybe, like Paul Fellows did for the SB concert, someone would like to set up a list of fans planning to go to Warsaw? Watch this space. - Roger Hartopp From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' Date: Fri Jun 29, 2001 8:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Warszawa http://www.travel4u.pl/hotele/lokalizacja.php3?lokalizacja=Warszawa#top Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > > [in Polish]. Hej, Warszawiacy, doradzcie kolegom jakis niedrogi hotel > (byle nie Dworzec Centralny), no i wogole, trzeba sie jakos zgrac w > kwestii wspolnego spotkania. > Cheers > Jakub From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' Date: Fri Jun 29, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Warszawa http://www.onetravel.pl/hotel.asp?jezyk=1&rgion=7 Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > > > Hi, > > > I'm planning to do the same also (with the wife), although like most > > capital cities, even Warsaw can be expensive, from the three > > occasions I've been there. > > > > Can our Polish friends, particularly in Warsaw, give us some idea > > which bridge (most) it is and where exactly? Bardzo dobrze! > > [in Polish]. Hej, Warszawiacy, doradzcie kolegom jakis niedrogi hotel > (byle nie Dworzec Centralny), no i wogole, trzeba sie jakos zgrac w > kwestii wspolnego spotkania. > > > To all our friends visiting the concert from outside the country, > > look forward to a smattering of essential Polish on this site, i.e. > > czy pan podobal sie ten groupa Tangerine Dream? > > Czy podobala sie panu grupa Tangerine Dream? ;). Roger, I looked for > you before London's gig, but unfortunately I couldn't find you. > I wanted to you ask you: are you Polish or you're only living in > Poland ? ;) > > (Or is it > Tangerine'a > > Dreama? But I still haven't a clue on Polish cases!) > > > > Maybe, like London, a meeting point for fans could be arranged. > > That's what I said in Polish above. Probably most of us will wear some > TD-T-shirts, so you will recognize us :) > > > - Roger Hartopp > > Cheers > Jakub From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' Date: Fri Jun 29, 2001 9:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Warszawa Nearest places of concert in Warszawa is Harenda Hotel http://www.polhotels.com/warsz/Harenda/index2.htm and Hotel Powisle http://www.polhotels.com/warsz/Powisle/index2.htm Goes for cheaper hotels Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Jul 1, 2001 9:33 am Subject: New auction's open ! Hi all, a new auction of a variety of stuff is now open on http://www.caby.de/Music/Rarity until June 8, noon GMT. Happy Bidding ;-) klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de From: 'Steve Jenkins' Date: Sun Jul 1, 2001 4:35 pm Subject: Vic Rek Due to a hard disk reformat I've lost Vic's e-mail. Could anyone with details pls e-mail me offlist, or if Vic reads this can you send me yr address, thanks. Steve Jenkins Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27612 Vic Rek E Neal Frost Tue 7/10/2001 2 KB From: vic rek Date: Sun Jul 1, 2001 5:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Vic Rek + Rare Items Offered! See header for my e-mail. Anyway, I'm back in town soi I'm ready to resume trading with the fans on this list. I just acquired some Russian/Ukrainian TD items so contact me off-list if you are interested. Also, I am planning on parting with a few MEGA-RARE Ash Ra Temple related items: 1. A 7' single 'Geile Tiere' with Manuel Gottsching producing, see: http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/artgt.jpg 2. A 10' EP 'Die Dominas' released privately my Manuel Gottsching, see: http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/artdd.jpg (partial scan) I will accept only serious cash/trade offers only for these items. Item 2 was only distributed privately to friends of the band. So what is the connection between Ash Ra Tempel and Tangerine Dream? Answer: Klaus Schulze. Vic Steve Jenkins wrote: > Due to a hard disk reformat I've lost Vic's e-mail. Could anyone with > details pls e-mail me offlist, or if Vic reads this can you send me yr > address, thanks. From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Sun Jul 1, 2001 5:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Warszawa Hello, Roger Hartopp wrote: > Shows how good my Polish is, but it's enough to get by. Hey, if any > fans are planning to come to the concert as part of a Polish holiday, > How about giving Kraków a visit? At least I can show you around, and > then all head up together on the Inter-city to Warsaw. Sorry, > warsavians, but Kraków is a prettier city! I was planning a one week visit to Warsaw and Krakow in August, so I'm trying to reschedule it for attending the concert. Would be great to have a meeting with other TD fans for the concert, so I might take you on that offer Roger. ;-) > Maybe, like Paul Fellows did for the SB concert, someone would like > to set up a list of fans planning to go to Warsaw? Good idea, any takers? And Piotr, thanks for the hotel links! Bye, Jorge Figueiredo ((> TD - Goblins' Club <)) From: Kent Eskildsen Date: Mon Jul 2, 2001 12:27 am Subject: Interactive TD Hi there long time list member, reading my mail everyday, but not posting much due to too many other obligations - I guess that counts for a lot of uss... But I have a question for you I have been thinking about, so why not just ask it: Well, as some of you know: I have written a small book about TD called '30 Years of Dreaming'. It has been out of print for quite a long time and people still asks me for a copy once in a while. I am not going to reprint it - right now at least - since it is quite time consuming and expensive, but I was thinking about if someone with the right computerskills is intersted in turning it into an interactive CDR? Something with 'click on the cover and the the tracklist and covertext appear' if you get my drift. In an electronic form people could also update it themself, add their own info or whatever the media allows of smart posibilities. I know that it it might not be as appealing to read on a screen as in a 'hardware' book, so; Would there be any interest for such a CDR? If anybody is interested in and able to taking up this task - please e-mail me off list. Best regards, Kent Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27516 Re: Interactive TD PERGAMON Mon 7/2/2001 2 KB 27517 Re: Interactive TD Feldon Feldon Mon 7/2/2001 3 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Mon Jul 2, 2001 2:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Interactive TD ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Kent Eskildsen' Subject: [tadream] Interactive TD > Would there be any interest for such a CDR? I am interested in such a CDR!!!!! /Jan From: Feldon Feldon Date: Mon Jul 2, 2001 5:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Interactive TD Well, it depends how big it is, and how many photos it has. If it's primarily text, then the best way to distribute it is a PDF file. If you are hoping to do an interactive CD-ROM with pictures, then Director is a good choice. However in both cases, people adding their own information is not easy. If you'd like more info (would be interested in doing either of these projects), e-mail me. -Morgan At 02:27 AM 7/2/2001 +0200, you wrote: >Hi there > >long time list member, reading my mail everyday, but not posting much >due to too many other obligations - I guess that counts for a lot of >uss... > >But I have a question for you I have been thinking about, so why not >just ask it: > >Well, as some of you know: I have written a small book about TD >called '30 Years of Dreaming'. It has been out of print for quite a >long time and people still asks me for a copy once in a while. >I am not going to reprint it - right now at least - since it is quite >time consuming and expensive, but I was thinking about if someone >with the right computerskills is intersted in turning it into an >interactive CDR? >Something with 'click on the cover and the the tracklist and covertext >appear' if you get my drift. >In an electronic form people could also update it themself, >add their own info or whatever the media allows of smart >posibilities. >I know that it it might not be as appealing to read on a screen as in a >'hardware' book, so; > >Would there be any interest for such a CDR? > >If anybody is interested in and able to taking up this task - please >e-mail me off list. > >Best regards, >Kent > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 2, 2001 2:44 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Interactive TD Agreed. Director is the way to go. but as a Macromedia Authorized Training Provider I may be a little biased! ;-) but in all fairness, there is another program that is pretty handy for straight-forward CD brochure-type production. It doesn't have nearly the flexibility or control that Director does, but is a bit less expensive: AutoPlay Menu Studio. http://www.indigorose.com/autoplay/ Contact me offflist for a trrrrial verrrrrsion Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 1:29 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Interactive TD > > > Well, it depends how big it is, and how many photos it has. If it's > primarily text, then the best way to distribute it is a PDF > file. If you > are hoping to do an interactive CD-ROM with pictures, then > Director is a > good choice. However in both cases, people adding their own > information is > not easy. If you'd like more info (would be interested in > doing either of > these projects), e-mail me. > > -Morgan > > At 02:27 AM 7/2/2001 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi there > > > >long time list member, reading my mail everyday, but not posting much > >due to too many other obligations - I guess that counts for a lot of > >uss... > > > >But I have a question for you I have been thinking about, so why not > >just ask it: > > > >Well, as some of you know: I have written a small book about TD > >called '30 Years of Dreaming'. It has been out of print for quite a > >long time and people still asks me for a copy once in a while. > >I am not going to reprint it - right now at least - since it is quite > >time consuming and expensive, but I was thinking about if someone > >with the right computerskills is intersted in turning it into an > >interactive CDR? > >Something with 'click on the cover and the the tracklist and > covertext > >appear' if you get my drift. > >In an electronic form people could also update it themself, > >add their own info or whatever the media allows of smart > >posibilities. > >I know that it it might not be as appealing to read on a > screen as in a > >'hardware' book, so; > > > >Would there be any interest for such a CDR? > > > >If anybody is interested in and able to taking up this task - please > >e-mail me off list. > > > >Best regards, > >Kent > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Jul 2, 2001 6:53 pm Subject: The Ultimate Concert Imagine you have the amazing ability to collect snippits of time and play them back in the order you choose. Using this ability, you've decided to plan the ULTIMATE TD CONCERT. You can choose from any line-up, any track, from any specific performance. So what would your setlist be like? Here's the rules: Two sets, 40 to 50 minutes each, plus a 20-25 minute encore set. Tracks should be as played at a specific concert or on a specific live album (we'll assume that all live albums were really played live for the sake of this). Here's my ultimate TD concert. SET 1: Monolight excerpt (from Encore, 7:40 - 16:40) (approx 9:00) Ricochet part 2 (including Piano intro) (17:35) Sequent B (encore, Royal Albert Hall, London April 2, 1975) (17:22) SET 2: Piano solo (Haslinger, Reichstag, Berlin, Aug 1, 1987) (7:00) Tangent (from Poland, fade out at 4:00) Silver Scale/Horns of Doom suite (Paris, Feb 2, 1981) (20:30) Dolphin Dance (Paris, March 31, 1986) (8:00) Horizon (from Poland, 14:00 - end) (6:30) Logos end part (Preston Guild Hall, UK, Nov 5, 1980) (2:30) ENCORES: Livemiles pt. 2 (Reichstag in Berlin, Aug 1, 1987) (8:00) Cool Breeze of Brighton (from Antique Dreams) (10:20) Dominion (from Logos) (5:49) James From: 'Scott' Date: Tue Jul 3, 2001 2:34 pm Subject: Re: Ultimate TD concert Here's mine: Set 1: 90 min. improv Set 2: 70 min. improv E: 20 min. improv Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27522 Re: Ultimate TD concert j.gordon Tue 7/3/2001 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Jul 3, 2001 3:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 940 James wrote: <<>> Ahh, I don't have to imagine, I DO have that amazing ability! I like your selections! :-) From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Jul 3, 2001 3:48 pm Subject: [tadream] Re: Ultimate TD concert since this is the ultimate concert, i thought i'd like to see the following (as an expansion on mr. plummer's thoughts: Set 1: Baumann and Franke - 20 min improv intro enter the big JS - piano overlay (7 min) then 20 min improv with PB and CF enter THE MAN - 10 min guitar solo overlay then the four improv for 33 min Set 2: Haslinger, JS and CF - 20 min improv enter THE MAN - 15 min guitar solo overlay then the four improv for 35 min Encore: PH, CF and THE MAN: lay it on thick with the Improv... however, to be fair, if there snuck in a 10 min piece from anything up to Livemiles, i wouldn't complain... =) j.g __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Jul 4, 2001 7:25 am Subject: I'm back Hello Gang, just wanted to say that I'm back from Ireland and just finished reading my 234 e-mails that poppped in while I was away. Guinness beer is still the best, but damn those potholes on the streets ~lol~ Heiko P.S.: as always my best regards go to Al, the TD's pal From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue Jul 3, 2001 11:53 pm Subject: Fw: Stuntman ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Frank Arellano' To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 5:51 PM Subject: Stuntman > Well, it's been very quiet today. Just wanted to say that I've been > listening to Eddy's 'Stuntman' CD and I must say, I'm impressed! It's a very > nice CD, somewhat melodic if that's your cup of tea 8-) Any opinions on > 'Aqua' or 'Kamikazee' > > > It's all gooood 8-) > From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Thu Jul 5, 2001 12:08 am Subject: Re: I'm back Hi gang! Well, without going into all the bloody details -- I'm still slowly rebuilding my life back together from the Workmen's Comp nightmare... But, even much more important than that is my brother, David, and I have gotten back together after six long years of a strained relationship after our beloved parents passed away... OK -- 'nuff of all that. There are still quite a few of you that I owe stuff too... Please, just be patient a wee bit longer and remember Al's TD mottos #3, #12 & #19. ****************************************************************** TD motto #3: 'By virtue of definition a TD diehard is always backlogged!' TD motto #12: 'Never refuse a gift from another TD diehard!' TD motto #19: 'A TD diehards promise is always the very best kind!' ****************************************************************** For more of the same you can always check up on me on my 'About Me' page on eBay (my handle is ~Marspolaris~) and the URL link is: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/marspolaris/ However, the real point of this post is to acknowledge my good friend. Heiko Heerssen, who has just returned from Ireland. Welcome back my old friend and thanks pal! And, what he's about to tell you (perhaps even better on the TangerineDream newsgroup which is unmoderated), is that 'Parallel Dreams' is now firmly set in stone (see Heiko's 'TD die- hard' website): http://members.tripod.de/Network23/TD.html Click on the appropriate link and it will display the entire playlist for 'PD' Volume 1 (1968 - 1978). Having, also left a little something in both Rainer's and Heiko's guestbooks as to what I thought about 'PD.' The appropriate excerpts are: Heiko: '...Both you and Duncan McKee are to be congratulated for making this one of the most coveted TD diehard collectables in the 21st century... Many thanks to all the diehard of diehards (including ol' Al -- the TD's pal :-) for contributing to this incredible TD concert ~live~ set...' and: '... Just a quick follow-up... It ('Parallel Dreams' of course) has arrived! There are simply no words...' Rainer: '...We TD diehards are now *all* looking forward to 'Parallel Dreams' which is going to just be bloody fantastic!...' Etc. Well, I'd say more, but I'll simply leave the rest up to Heiko and he'll give you all the juicy 'TD diehard' details... ;-) My Best Always, -- Al (Berkeley, CA / USA) PS: A happy 4th of July to all the bloody Yanks out there... ;-) NP: You all know the bottom line... Just about anything so long as it's ~Tangerine Dream!~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Thu Jul 5, 2001 3:24 am Subject: Lost in E-Space Somewhere Out There Hey Folks: I switched ISP providers, and I've had a difficult time getting reset for downloading the list. Just wanted everyone to know that I haven't fallen off the face of the earth. This has been a bit sudden, so I'm sorry I didn't have time to notify those of you that I'm corresponding with. In addition to my regular dhj4@y... address, I also have a new one, DebHJ4@m... The old address of drbjohn@e... is no longer valid. I hope to have everything fixed soon. Adios, Deb H-J dhj4@y... DebHJ4@m... more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Jul 5, 2001 5:58 am Subject: ult TD >however, to be fair, if there snuck in a 10 min piece from anything up to Livemiles, i wouldn't complain... =) woohoo! break out EM and cyclone. --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Jul 5, 2001 6:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: I'm back > However, the real point of this post is to acknowledge my good friend. > Heiko Heerssen, who has just returned from Ireland. Welcome back > my old friend and thanks pal! And, what he's about to tell you (perhaps > even better on the TangerineDream newsgroup which is unmoderated), > is that 'Parallel Dreams' is now firmly set in stone (see Heiko's 'TD die- > hard' website): > http://members.tripod.de/Network23/TD.html Hello Gang & Al (& especially Martin Kay from TDI ;-), I just wanted to make clear that this 12 cdr compilation ('Parallel dreams') is a total non-profit effort, in fact after all 20 sets will be sent out to my TD friends my costs won't be met at all (I even bought a selfmade 'PD' stamp for 50 German Marks), I only asked for covering the high postage costs I have to pay here in Germany. Heiko From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Jul 5, 2001 7:59 am Subject: How come there are people from TDI on this list when they could get all of the info from the horses mouth ,so to speak .? Has Ed got you spying on us in case we are selling bootlegs or giving them bad reviews ...TDI secret police answering only to General froese ? :) Paul From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Wed Jul 4, 2001 1:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee 2002... How about 'Midnight at the Strand of Nightmares' - Beale Strand in North Kerry where my dad was born and raised? Yes, I know, very tenuous, the band most likely have never heard of it. In fact it's a lovely beauty spot - miles of unspoilt sandy beaches on the Shannon estuary - not nightmarish at all! T. Brian Stewart wrote on 14/6/01 12:29: >Hi > >oh yes... what about a >'Midnight in Thule' which is in >Greenland, I suppose... ;-) > >More appropriate? - Loch >Tulla, on the edge of >Rannoch Moor in Scotland, >an empty, windswept & >beautiful place. A large old >shooting lodge (with a quite >history!) right by the loch >can be rented, great >pub/hotel nearby >> >unfortunately, I can't think >at any TD-linked irish >location right now. > >Or even! > >Waterborne - On the >Shannon near Athlone, >plenty of boats & small >islands to make use of. > >Best wishes > >Brian From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jul 5, 2001 3:36 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Haha- well, the primary reason that TDI is here is because I invited them, and of course, because they are generous enough to be involved. Yes, I said generous. After all, what percentage of sales do you think this piddly little list of 431 so-called 'fans' represents to TDI? I could think of many, much better things to do to than to contribute time and effort to a mailing list that does very little to help promote the current concerns of my employ. I'm very grateful for Martin being here to give us info straight from the 'horse's mouth', as it were, when possible. Likewise, I'm amazed at his - and by extension TDI's - patience in being here, especially in the face of so much nasty criticism of Ed & TDI, both professionally and personally. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Lawler [mailto:lawlermusic@s...] > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:00 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] > > > How come there are people from TDI on this list when they > could get all of > the info from the horses mouth ,so to speak .? > Has Ed got you spying on us in case we are selling bootlegs > or giving them > bad reviews ...TDI secret police answering only to General froese ? :) > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: ampmusic Date: Thu Jul 5, 2001 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Oh goody - if TDI are reading this, could they ask Edgar to send back the five thousand pounds he stole off us? :-) Joe Shoults wrote: > Haha- well, the primary reason that TDI is here is because I invited them, > and of course, because they are generous enough to be involved. Yes, I said > generous. After all, what percentage of sales do you think this piddly > little list of 431 so-called 'fans' represents to TDI? I could think of > many, much better things to do to than to contribute time and effort to a > mailing list that does very little to help promote the current concerns of > my employ. > > I'm very grateful for Martin being here to give us info straight from the > 'horse's mouth', as it were, when possible. Likewise, I'm amazed at his - > and by extension TDI's - patience in being here, especially in the face of > so much nasty criticism of Ed & TDI, both professionally and personally. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul Lawler [mailto:lawlermusic@s...] > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:00 AM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] > > > > > > How come there are people from TDI on this list when they > > could get all of > > the info from the horses mouth ,so to speak .? > > Has Ed got you spying on us in case we are selling bootlegs > > or giving them > > bad reviews ...TDI secret police answering only to General froese ? :) > > > > Paul > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Jul 5, 2001 5:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] From: 'Joe Shoults' > Likewise, I'm amazed at his - > and by extension TDI's - patience in being here, especially in the face of > so much nasty criticism of Ed & TDI, both professionally and personally. Everyone has the right to express their opinion, if TDI or Froese, disagree they are welcome to say their opinion. I do not agree with your statement. I am sorry, but if TDI can't take some critisism, I won't miss them. I can't seem to recall hearing anything from them anyway. About the personal stuff, I agree. It's OK to express professional critisism, but not personal. And knowing this list, you also have to realize that most of the things said about TD-members here on this list, was meant as funny comments. Maybe we are only 431 members on this list, but most of the feelings expressed here also goes for several other fans which are not on this list. Jan From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Jul 5, 2001 5:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] you are joking right? this little piddly list of 431 fans probably constitutes a huge portion of goods bought from TDI, especially the Booster packages etc. you think the average Celine Dion fan on the street that bought the first Dream mixes when it came out and won't ever buy anything else matters at all? not hardly. we are the hard core buyers of their goods. period. tom >Joe Shoults wrote: > >> Haha- well, the primary reason that TDI is here is because I invited them, >> and of course, because they are generous enough to be involved. Yes, I said >> generous. After all, what percentage of sales do you think this piddly >> little list of 431 so-called 'fans' represents to TDI? I could think of >> many, much better things to do to than to contribute time and effort to a >> mailing list that does very little to help promote the current concerns of >> my employ. >> >> I'm very grateful for Martin being here to give us info straight from the >> 'horse's mouth', as it were, when possible. Likewise, I'm amazed at his - >> and by extension TDI's - patience in being here, especially in the face of >> so much nasty criticism of Ed & TDI, both professionally and personally. >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Paul Lawler [mailto:lawlermusic@s...] >> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:00 AM >> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >> > Subject: [tadream] >> > >> > >> > How come there are people from TDI on this list when they >> > could get all of >> > the info from the horses mouth ,so to speak .? >> > Has Ed got you spying on us in case we are selling bootlegs >> > or giving them >> > bad reviews ...TDI secret police answering only to General froese ? :) >> > >> > Paul >> > >> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------_- >> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> > ----------------------------------------------------_- >> > >> > >> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> > >> > >> >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From: ampmusic Date: Thu Jul 5, 2001 6:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Right On Tom! It might be more fun to try to find a current TD buyer anywhere who ISN'T on some kind of list... That's what happens when you fall out with every label on the planet... Har har har har har har :- ) tom george wrote: > you are joking right? this little piddly list of > 431 fans probably constitutes a huge portion of > goods bought from TDI, especially the Booster > packages etc. you think the average Celine Dion > fan on the street that bought the first Dream > mixes when it came out and won't ever buy anything > else matters at all? not hardly. we are the hard > core buyers of their goods. period. > tom > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Jul 5, 2001 5:54 pm Subject: review: Dream mixes 3 Hi all I just got the DM3. Have listened to it a couple of times. Here is my first impression: I had high expectations to this album, and when I got it, I smashed it in the CD-player and turned up the volume. The first track starts out with a typical TD-sequencer, and after a while the track is pumping in the typical DM-style. On to the next track. Starts out with a nice atmosphere, and again a nice sequencer starts, but after a while I am hearing breakbeats smashing in my ears. Yeah well, nicely done, but I CAN'T STAND DRUM AND BASS. Hurry on to the next track, Stereolight. This track is made worse in this remix. It's dead. Couldn't get me rocking. Then the sequencers begin.........AT LAST..............I thought......Then it is actually bashed to pieces with another boring breakbeat. Diamonds and dust. Haha another great sequencertrack, with a lot of atmosphere. I turn up the volume, and suddenly I am meet with yet another drum and bass remix...............This is getting very boring. I am actually at this point considering if I should listen to the rest of the album. Blue spears. What is there to say.......we are back in the 90', allthough there is a very nice sequencer..... =o) Meng Tian: another remix Girls on the stairs: This is one of my favoritetracks, so I was looking forward to listening to this track. This is IMO a nice version of the track, but I would have preferred a remix of the version from White eagle instead. The sound used for the melody is very boring, and the drums/percussion seems to be a bit to dominant some times. The Spirit of the Czar: This is IMO utterly crap. The new added drums destroyes the hole track. The comfort zone: Another remix where the drums is anoying. And ruins the track. With all the respect for TD and their creativity. You are in every right to do with your material as it pleases you, but this album is going straight to the back of my drawer. No doubt that TD has been trying some new stuff on this album, I am just sad that Drum and Bass, isn't my cup of tea. There also can be no doubt that Jerome Froese is the man behind these remixes. With respect, when thinking of your list of equipment and knowing what TD is capable of, this album is not very good. Everyone that likes this album.......raise your hand..........anyone..................well, there you go!!! No one likes this.(just a joke) Regards Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27540 Re: review: Dream mixes 3 ampmusic Fri 7/6/2001 6 KB 27544 Re: review: Dream mixes 3 john@p... Fri 7/6/2001 3 KB 27541 Re: review: Dream mixes 3 Synthhtnys@a... Fri 7/6/2001 2 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Jul 5, 2001 5:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Shoults To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:36 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] > Haha- well, the primary reason that TDI is here is because I invited them, > and of course, because they are generous enough to be involved. Yes, I said > generous. After all, what percentage of sales do you think this piddly > little list of 431 so-called 'fans' represents to TDI? About 80% ;) > > I'm very grateful for Martin being here to give us info straight from the > 'horse's mouth', as it were, when possible. Likewise, I'm amazed at his - > and by extension TDI's - patience in being here, especially in the face of > so much nasty criticism of Ed & TDI, both professionally and personally. Most of which is deserved I hasten to add , after all, its all part and parcel of being an artist to be criticised when you dont deliver the goods . Paul From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jul 5, 2001 6:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] hmmm... 'huge portion'? doubt it, but I admit I am only guessing. we would have to know web traffic stats from the TDI website to really know. That, and sales stats on web-only items like the booster kits. If you break down the demographics of different possible buying groups, yes, our 431 is likely a high-percentage purchase group within itself and for the web-based product liek StimPaks. But I'm comparing that to *all* TDI site visitors and retail-location buyers: out of all TDI traffic and sales, the percentage that comes from our 431 is probably not as large as you might think. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm basing my guess on the fact that TDI music is pretty easy-to-find all over the retail world. I don't know too much about how buyers (I mean buyers at Tower Records, Border Books, amazon.com, etc.) decide on what music to stock on their shelves with, but it has to be based upon what they think will sell, right? And this is based upon what *is already* selling, to the best of their ability to ascertain. These buyers know nothing about our tadream list, so they must be buying - and selling - to and for a larger group of potential TDI buyers - and I submit that they don't know about us, either. You can't tell me that the shelves are so well stocked at all of these vendors because of our 'piddly' (and I mean this only in a descriptive, not perjorative way) group; indeed, my argument is that the ubiquitous availability of TDI product has virtually nothing to do with us. ...and this is because we represent only a small fraction of overall sales. Yes, we are the hardcore. But not the majority by a longshot, and again I'm only guessing. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: tom george [mailto:eloy-usa@a...] > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 1:30 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] > > > you are joking right? this little piddly list of > 431 fans probably constitutes a huge portion of > goods bought from TDI, especially the Booster > packages etc. you think the average Celine Dion > fan on the street that bought the first Dream > mixes when it came out and won't ever buy anything > else matters at all? not hardly. we are the hard > core buyers of their goods. period. > tom > > > > >Joe Shoults wrote: > > > >> Haha- well, the primary reason that TDI is here is because > I invited them, > >> and of course, because they are generous enough to be > involved. Yes, I said > >> generous. After all, what percentage of sales do you > think this piddly > >> little list of 431 so-called 'fans' represents to TDI? I > could think of > >> many, much better things to do to than to contribute time > and effort to a > >> mailing list that does very little to help promote the > current concerns of > >> my employ. > >> > >> I'm very grateful for Martin being here to give us info > straight from the > >> 'horse's mouth', as it were, when possible. Likewise, I'm > amazed at his - > >> and by extension TDI's - patience in being here, > especially in the face of > >> so much nasty criticism of Ed & TDI, both professionally > and personally. > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Paul Lawler [mailto:lawlermusic@s...] > >> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:00 AM > >> > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >> > Subject: [tadream] > >> > > >> > > >> > How come there are people from TDI on this list when they > >> > could get all of > >> > the info from the horses mouth ,so to speak .? > >> > Has Ed got you spying on us in case we are selling bootlegs > >> > or giving them > >> > bad reviews ...TDI secret police answering only to > General froese ? :) > >> > > >> > Paul > >> > > >> > > >> > ----------------------------------------------------_- > >> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >> > ----------------------------------------------------_- > >> > > >> > > >> > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Thu Jul 5, 2001 9:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] As nice as it is to have representatives of TDI posting here in a corny 'hey, it brings the band closer to the list!' kind of way, let's be realistic; TDI post here to promote new releases, to advertise over-priced 'Stimpacks' to the hardcore fans, and to answer the odd question. That's all. It's cheap advertising. I'm not knocking it, but that's *all* it is and the implication that it's actually some kind of grand gesture on the part of the band or TDI to engage the fans in some kind of two-way communication is laughable. Edgar has stated many times that he simply doesn't care about what critics say, and I'm sure that philosophy extends equally to the fans. And as for the suggestion that TDI are enduring biting criticism from 'so-called fans', can I suggest that some of the criticism is actually (gasp!) justified? I don't mean subjective arguments on whether DM3 'rocks' or 'sucks'. I mean little stuff like releasing concerts that aren't really concerts (namely the Perth Tapes) and lying to the fans. That's not a question of creative licence. That's treating the fans like idiots, and if the fans take offence they can hardly be blamed for it. Maff ________________________ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ From: ampmusic Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 2:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] review: Dream mixes 3 Jan makes a lot of sense. It's very strange that TD should insist so forcefully on having a go at drum & bass, because they will never in any circumstances in a million years be taking any fans off Goldie or Roni Size :-) The bizarre thing is that when The Orb and Future Sound of London started to make long, sprawling improvisations hip again (and FSOL subsequently disappeared from the scene for a long while, leaving a big gap in the market), TD (who could do this kind of thing in their sleep) ignored the opportunity completely. OK, nobody wants to go right back to the 1970's, but the fact is that there are plenty of people more competent at melodic five minute new age tunes, guitar rock, drum and bass, or any of the other things TD have dabbled in, but very few who have shown competence at those more epic styles. There's nothing the matter with playing to your strengths. But maybe it was Herr Baumann, Herr Franke and even Herr Hoenig (listen to the 1975 Albert Hall show) who embodied those strengths most strongly :-( PERGAMON wrote: > Hi all > > I just got the DM3. Have listened to it a couple of times. Here is my first impression: > > I had high expectations to this album, and when I got it, I smashed it in the CD-player and turned up the volume. > > The first track starts out with a typical TD-sequencer, and after a while the track is pumping in the typical DM-style. On to the next track. Starts out with a nice atmosphere, and again a nice sequencer starts, but after a while I am hearing breakbeats smashing in my ears. Yeah well, nicely done, but I CAN'T STAND DRUM AND BASS. > > Hurry on to the next track, Stereolight. This track is made worse in this remix. It's dead. Couldn't get me rocking. Then the sequencers begin.........AT LAST..............I thought......Then it is actually bashed to pieces with another boring breakbeat. > > Diamonds and dust. Haha another great sequencertrack, with a lot of atmosphere. I turn up the volume, and suddenly I am meet with yet another drum and bass remix...............This is getting very boring. I am actually at this point considering if I should listen to the rest of the album. > > Blue spears. What is there to say.......we are back in the 90', allthough there is a very nice sequencer..... =o) > > Meng Tian: another remix > > Girls on the stairs: This is one of my favoritetracks, so I was looking forward to listening to this track. This is IMO a nice version of the track, but I would have preferred a remix of the version from White eagle instead. The sound used for the melody is very boring, and the drums/percussion seems to be a bit to dominant some times. > > The Spirit of the Czar: This is IMO utterly crap. The new added drums destroyes the hole track. > > The comfort zone: Another remix where the drums is anoying. And ruins the track. > > With all the respect for TD and their creativity. You are in every right to do with your material as it pleases you, but this album is going straight to the back of my drawer. No doubt that TD has been trying some new stuff on this album, I am just sad that Drum and Bass, isn't my cup of tea. There also can be no doubt that Jerome Froese is the man behind these remixes. With respect, when thinking of your list of equipment and knowing what TD is capable of, this album is not very good. > > Everyone that likes this album.......raise your hand..........anyone..................well, there you go!!! No one likes this.(just a joke) > > Regards > Jan > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27544 Re: review: Dream mixes 3 john@p... Fri 7/6/2001 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 9:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] review: Dream mixes 3 There's nothing the matter with playing to your strengths. But maybe it was Herr Baumann, Herr Franke and even Herr Hoenig (listen to the 1975 Albert *I have to agree. That era most certainly produced the most visionary works.... and as far as I'm concerned it's the visionary soundscapes that really define TD... Not so much the later excursions into pretty melodies, sax and drum and bass rhythms. One of my favorite 'what if' scenarios was what if Hoenig joined and was the fourth member of the classic lineup after Encore.... Poly Paul Ellis Hypnos/Binary Recordings PO Box 6868 / Portland, Or 97228 / Usa www.hypnos.com 'It is only a few years before we shall have entirely new methods of tone production by electrical means.... Thus will begin a new era in music.' Leopold Stokowski 1929 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 9:25 am Subject: L affaire wallraff Hi all, CD: L affaire wallraff (EMI France 1991) with the Matrix Number: M7E4 7956272 a new bootleg version of this rare Soundtrack. today i received another two Cd`s with the same Matrix Number but different Artists. Here the information about this: Tangerine dream - L affaire Wallraff (Matrix Number: M7E4 7956272) Klaus Schulze - Aphrica (Matrix Number M7E4 WS885634-2) - Won Sin Music Company South Korea Code III - Planet of man (Matrix Number: M7E4 Code III ) - Won Sin Music Company South Korea Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 9:36 am Subject: We are the hardcore? >Yes, we are the hardcore. But not the majority by a longshot, and >again I'm only guessing. > >Joe Strangely enough, I think the true hardcore is only a *subset* of this list. I sometimes wonder why I'm here. The days when TD's music meant a lot to me are long gone - even stuff from the Baumann or Schmoelling years which I once thought of as overwhelmingly brilliant is now just bof (so-so), as they say here if France - and I buy only a small percentage of TD's current releases. It's only pop music when all's said and done. Having said that, we'll be in Berlin in October, although we'll build a small holiday around the show. After all, it's a place I should see at least once. I reckon I'm here because I like the company, I like mouthing off, and, bizarrely, I find talking about TD more fun than listening to them. Weird, innit? Anyone else in a similar kind of situation? Glynn From: john@p... Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 10:05 am Subject: Re: review: Dream mixes 3 --- In tadream@y..., ampmusic wrote: > It's very strange that TD should insist so forcefully on having a > go at drum & bass, because they will never in any circumstances in > a million years be taking any fans off Goldie or Roni Size :-) That's the odd thing about Jerome inheriting the TD name. He simply wants to make the music you'd expect someone of his age (well, maybe a few years younger :) to make. If he had a different Dad, he'd be one of the countless dance music wanabees in the world. > There's nothing the matter with playing to your strengths. But > maybe it was Herr Baumann, Herr Franke and even Herr Hoenig (listen > to the 1975 Albert Hall show) who embodied those strengths most > strongly :-( Yeah, but Edgar was good then too. When comparing current TD vs Peter 'repeat repeat' Baumann, Chris 'endless orchestral soundtracks' Franke and Michael 'what /is/ he doing now' Hoenig, it's not so cut and dried. Maybe they just got old. -- John Christian Plug: 'Hampshire Jam' RMI/Airsculpture/FSP/UtD/Headshock live. Liphook, UK - Oct 27 2001 - http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/octgig.htm From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 10:17 am Subject: Re: Buyers who are not on the list Hi, > From: ampmusic > > It might be more fun to try to find a current TD buyer > anywhere who ISN'T on some > kind of list... I know at least some... When we stopped the (printed) 'Dream Collector' magazine in autumn 1999, two thirds of our subscribers did not have any online access. Maybe some of them have their own account now (hello out there...!), but I am sure there is still a considerable number of TD fans who are not online or who are online but do not want to read dozens of e-mails every day. > That's what happens when you fall out with every label on > the planet... > > Har har har har har har :- ) This is not only a subject for jokes... I guess some of the recent material issued by TDI would not have been released by the major companies in music business. May be the way TDI is runned is the better way for the listeners and the fans. Whether this is the way for TD to attract more attention in the music press is another question. But this is not the fans' problem as long as they get informed about new releases. Greetings, Peter From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 1:38 pm Subject: >nobody wants to go right back to the 1970's >nobody wants to go right back to the 1970's. Packed my bags this morning--when are we leaving? --teiwaz (setting the wayback machine) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27550 Re: >nobody wants to go right back to the 1970's PERGAMON Fri 7/6/2001 3 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 1:19 am Subject: Edgar Needs To Hire Someone To Tell Him When He's Being an Idiot On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:16:25 +0100 'Matthew Sawyer' writes: > And as for the suggestion that TDI are enduring biting criticism > from 'so-called fans', [. . .] I'd settle for Edgar hiring somebody to tell him when a piece of music he's working on is either bad or needs a *lot* of work. If he was on a real label, he would be getting kicks in the ass for his slack stuff, rather than just releasing it as is. Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27551 Re: Edgar Needs To Hire Someone To Tell Him When PERGAMON Fri 7/6/2001 2 KB 27554 Re: Edgar Needs To Hire Someone To Tell Him When Matthew Sawyer Fri 7/6/2001 3 KB 27555 Good and bad glynn_naughton@h... Fri 7/6/2001 2 KB 27564 Re: Edgar Needs To Hire Someone To Tell Him When E Neal Frost Fri 7/6/2001 3 KB 27574 Re: Edgar Needs To Hire Someone To Tell Him When Dennis Nigbur Sat 7/7/2001 3 KB 27575 Re: Edgar Needs To Hire Someone To Tell Him When PERGAMON Sat 7/7/2001 2 KB 27581 Re: Edgar Needs To Hire Someone To Tell Him When Greg Sat 7/7/2001 3 KB From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 1:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Edgar Needs To Hire Someone To Tell Him When He's B eing an Idiot Hurrah Let's Start a War against Herrn Froeze. .... again :-D IMHO TD is going well. the last albums are much better than the period between Tiger and Rockoon. I love most of the TDI releases. I think the combination between Father and Son is unique. Maybe they left the expirements of the first 5 years of TD. But living in the past is not good for an artist. greetings Bert > ---------- > From: scfeldman@j...[SMTP:scfeldman@j...] > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 03:19 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Edgar Needs To Hire Someone To Tell Him When He's > Being an Idiot > > On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:16:25 +0100 'Matthew Sawyer' > writes: > > > And as for the suggestion that TDI are enduring biting criticism > > from 'so-called fans', [. . .] > > I'd settle for Edgar hiring somebody to tell him when a piece > of music he's working on is either bad or needs a *lot* of work. > If he was on a real label, he would be getting kicks in the ass for > his slack stuff, rather than just releasing it as is. > > Steven Feldman > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27549 No Tyger bashing j.gordon Fri 7/6/2001 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 3:06 pm Subject: [tadream] No Tyger bashing > IMHO TD is going well. > the last albums are much better than the period between Tiger and Rockoon. heeeeey, now... let's not start in on Tyger... THIS is a great album... Edgar's on his own, but Alchemy of the Heart is enough to give this album creedence... \|/ :-< /|\ j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 3:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] >nobody wants to go right back to the 1970's Hi I am listening to White eagle right now, so can we please make that the first destination.... =) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: [tadream] >nobody wants to go right back to the 1970's > >nobody wants to go right back to the 1970's. > > Packed my bags this morning--when are we leaving? > > --teiwaz (setting the wayback machine) > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 3:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Needs To Hire Someone To Tell Him When He's Being an Idiot > I'd settle for Edgar hiring somebody to tell him when a piece > of music he's working on is either bad or needs a *lot* of work. > If he was on a real label, he would be getting kicks in the ass for > his slack stuff, rather than just releasing it as is. > Steven Feldman This is actually the best thing about TDI and TD, the total freedom to make music, exactly the way you want it, without having a record company, breathing down your neck, telling you that your music has to sound like the lastest poptrend. I will not say that the music TD makes today is bad, it's just not my taste. And I think they are capable of so much more. Jan From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 3:49 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] No Tyger bashing And don't forget the INCREDIBLE guitar solo during the instrumental last half of London. > -----Original Message----- > heeeeey, now... > > let's not start in on Tyger... THIS is a great album... > Edgar's on his own, but > Alchemy of the Heart is enough to give this album creedence... > > \|/ > :-< > /|\ > > j.gordon From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 4:05 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] This is starting to sound like a Soap Opera. We should call it 'My So-Called Lives (albums)' James just throwing some humor into the mix... > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Sawyer [mailto:matthewsawyer@c...] > ...stuff like releasing concerts that aren't really concerts > (namely the Perth Tapes) and lying to the fans. From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 4:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Needs To Hire Someone To Tell Him When He's Being an Idiot From: > On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:16:25 +0100 'Matthew Sawyer' > writes: > > > And as for the suggestion that TDI are enduring biting criticism > > from 'so-called fans', [. . .] > > I'd settle for Edgar hiring somebody to tell him when a piece > of music he's working on is either bad or needs a *lot* of work. > If he was on a real label, he would be getting kicks in the ass for > his slack stuff, rather than just releasing it as is. Hmmm.. got to disagree there. Good or bad is a subjective point (I happen to strongly dislike Mars Polaris but I'm sure plenty would disagree with me). Imagine if someone had pulled Froese aside while recording Force Majeure and said 'Y'know Edgar, it could really use more Bongos.' Oh, no, hang on. That was the Shepherds Bush concert... I'd just be happy if Edgar and TDI were more honest in what they release. I don't understand the logic in deliberately pissing off your fan base when it's pretty small to begin with. Maff ________________________ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27555 Good and bad glynn_naughton@h... Fri 7/6/2001 2 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 5:22 pm Subject: Good and bad > On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:16:25 +0100 'Matthew Sawyer' > writes: stuff, rather than just releasing it as is. >Hmmm.. got to disagree there. Good or bad is a subjective point (I >happen to strongly dislike Mars Polaris but I'm sure plenty would >disagree with me). Imagine if someone had pulled Froese aside while >recording Force Majeure and said 'Y'know Edgar, it could really use >more Bongos.' Sorry, I've been on this list for 6 years now and have heard the 'good or bad is a subjective point' argument advanced many, many times. IT'S NOT F*CKING TRUE!!!. Bach's _Art of Fugue_ is indubitably, unequivocally and proveably a better piece of music than, for example, 'White Eagle' (if you allow 'better' to be a synonym for something like 'massively more complex and sophisticated'). You may well *prefer* 'White Eagle' (as I do), but that's a different thing entirely. I could go into a huge rant on this subject, but hey, it's Paris, it's Friday evening, and it's sunny... ;-) Glynn From: ampmusic Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 6:37 pm Subject: Re: Just figured! Mr. Pickford's joke, not ours, but a well deserved name from what I hear ;-) marzoplan@h... wrote: > But what would be really interesting would be if someone posted the > story of why he stopped releasing music - maybe connected with what was > done > to him by the label he came to refer to as 'Piss Puddle Productions' ;-) > > Ha! Just figured who you mean! Got to be Champagne Lake Productions? > > chris From: Vincent Goudreault Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 5:50 pm Subject: TDI is on the list? This is win-win to me... tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 18:54:49 +0000 > From: ampmusic > Subject: Re: > > Right On Tom! > > It might be more fun to try to find a current TD buyer anywhere who ISN'T on some > kind of list... > > That's what happens when you fall out with every label on the planet... > > Har har har har har har :- ) > > tom george wrote: > > > you are joking right? this little piddly list of > > 431 fans probably constitutes a huge portion of > > goods bought from TDI, especially the Booster > > packages etc. you think the average Celine Dion > > fan on the street that bought the first Dream > > mixes when it came out and won't ever buy anything > > else matters at all? not hardly. we are the hard > > core buyers of their goods. period. > > tom > > > Let me put my $0.02 worth here. If Edgar and Co are on this list, there is something for us, as was mentioned before: we get fresh information, and sometimes first access to new releases. That cannot be bad. That they are only 431 of us is somewhat meaningless. What are the sales figures (total) of DM3 so far? Is it in the hundreds, thousands or the tens of thousand? If the number is in the 100's, then yes, we are a meaningful bunch as we buy most of TD's production. If the sales figures are much higher, we are STILL a meaningful group because we may influence other people around us and may still provide a good enough sample (i.e. representative) of the other TD's music lovers. In that case, there is something in there for TDI as well as they get feedback about what is liked and what is less appreciated, and -- despite any artists claim that they do and should always follow their own vision rather than being influenced; sales figures are still a big motivation -- this may entice the artist to produce something that is better received next time. Evidently, when all is negative reviews while sales are brisk, then the feedback we give is that we are *not* representative of the average buyer, and TDI should get a second opinion somewhere else. Mind you, the prime objective of this list is and, I presume, shall remain, for the fans to discuss TD music among themselves. If TDI is shocked by what they read and decide to no longer take a peek at what they fans say, it is their decision. At the same time it would be our loss as well as theirs. Myself, I am still hoping that TD would get back to a style typical of my favorite period; but how much influence do I have? N.P.: Red Shift 'Ether' C.B.V. Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27562 Re: TDI is on the list? This is win-win to me... ampmusic Fri 7/6/2001 5 KB 27563 Re: TDI is on the list? This is win-win to me... Joe Shoults Fri 7/6/2001 4 KB 27566 Re: TDI is on the list? This is win-win to me... john@p... Fri 7/6/2001 2 KB 27573 TD, Froese, Ashra, Redshift +++ AUCTION Kees Sat 7/7/2001 2 KB 27567 Re: TDI is on the list? This is win-win to me... Joe Shoults Fri 7/6/2001 2 KB 27578 Re: TDI is on the list? This is win-win to me... Dennis Nigbur Sat 7/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 5:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Good and bad From: > Sorry, I've been on this list for 6 years now and have heard > the 'good or bad is a subjective point' argument advanced many, many > times. IT'S NOT F*CKING TRUE!!!. Bach's _Art of Fugue_ is > indubitably, unequivocally and proveably a better piece of music > than, for example, 'White Eagle' (if you allow 'better' to be a > synonym for something like 'massively more complex and > sophisticated'). You may well *prefer* 'White Eagle' (as I do), but > that's a different thing entirely. No, it isn't. Musical taste is personal and it is subjective. I'm curious as to how one would *prove* that one piece of music is better than another. Is it, as you suggest, based solely on the complexy and sophistication of the music? In that case Rubycon is inferior to Tyger, and TD would be completely blown out of the water by, say, Future Sound of London. Maff ________________________ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27560 Re: Good and bad Greg Fri 7/6/2001 5 KB 27565 Re: Good and bad E Neal Frost Fri 7/6/2001 3 KB 27568 Re: Good and bad john@p... Fri 7/6/2001 2 KB 27572 Re: Good and bad quarlie@a... Sat 7/7/2001 2 KB 27603 Re: Good and bad kevine@c... Mon 7/9/2001 3 KB 27604 Re: Good and bad j.gordon Mon 7/9/2001 4 KB 27607 Re: Good and bad kevine@c... Mon 7/9/2001 3 KB From: gyedid@p... Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 5:53 pm Subject: [OT] Source for Steve Schroyder/Star Sounds albums? Hello folks, Can anybody here please point me to a source for Steve Schroyder albums? I'm also interested in albums he did as part of Star Sounds Orchestra. I realize that most of his albums are rare to begin with or out of print, but I'd really appreciate a tip here. cheers, Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27580 Re: [OT] Source for Steve Schroyder/Star Sounds a vic rek Sat 7/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 6:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Good and bad I agree here with you Glynn, as a person with a formal visual art education and an oil painter, I know that all art (visual, musical, written) carries a certain level of design and it's how well certain aspects of design are put together that we can judge that one thing is better than another. What is subjective is the content and that is often how many people judge and piece of art - by its content, not design. There is a lot of music and art I do not like, but I can appreciate that often what I do not like is more well designed and constructed. I try to tell people that art is not subjective - there is good and bad! Two people can have the same idea and one can do a much better job with it than another. Ask yourself why certain art hangs in museums or why certain musical artists will always be remembered or why some authors will always be read. It gets down to design and innovation - things that are concrete. TD has lately tried to balance their musical design and compositional issues with the use of style. I see this in visual art very often - an artist who is not very compositionally adept will often try to use a style that is often not theirs. The idea is that the lackluster design will be overlooked because the style in itself is building off of other peoples' innovation. Like in many ways artists today try and emulate the style of old TD, some will do it and still lack that all important fundamental of good composition. In TDs better days, their own style was created because of their innovative design principles and ability to solve musical problems. Greg H. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:22 AM Subject: [tadream] Good and bad > > On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:16:25 +0100 'Matthew Sawyer' > > writes: > stuff, rather than just releasing it as is. > > > >Hmmm.. got to disagree there. Good or bad is a subjective point (I > >happen to strongly dislike Mars Polaris but I'm sure plenty would > >disagree with me). Imagine if someone had pulled Froese aside while > >recording Force Majeure and said 'Y'know Edgar, it could really use > >more Bongos.' > > Sorry, I've been on this list for 6 years now and have heard > the 'good or bad is a subjective point' argument advanced many, many > times. IT'S NOT F*CKING TRUE!!!. Bach's _Art of Fugue_ is > indubitably, unequivocally and proveably a better piece of music > than, for example, 'White Eagle' (if you allow 'better' to be a > synonym for something like 'massively more complex and > sophisticated'). You may well *prefer* 'White Eagle' (as I do), but > that's a different thing entirely. > > I could go into a huge rant on this subject, but hey, it's Paris, > it's Friday evening, and it's sunny... ;-) > > Glynn > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 6:20 pm Subject: 'living in the past is not good for an artist' On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:58:41 +0200 bert.hulshoff@d... writes: > But living in the past is not good for an artist. Yeah, I don't like THE DREAM MIXES, OASIS, TIMESQUARE, nor DREAM MIXES III, either. ;) -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + '[. . .] TD will never hurt for money as long as Vic Rek is alive. :-)' -- Scott Plumer, Tadream mailing list, September 30, 1998 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: ampmusic Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 9:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI is on the list? This is win-win to me... Re; TD sales figures. A few years ago TD's sales figure for one album in the UK was 655. Hence their preference for getting big advance payments out of labels before they found out :-) Hardly enough to make a living for a growing man, and I can't see that recent releases would have increased that figure greatly... Vincent Goudreault wrote: > tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 18:54:49 +0000 > > From: ampmusic > > Subject: Re: > > > > Right On Tom! > > > > It might be more fun to try to find a current TD buyer anywhere who ISN'T on some > > kind of list... > > > > That's what happens when you fall out with every label on the planet... > > > > Har har har har har har :- ) > > > > tom george wrote: > > > > > you are joking right? this little piddly list of > > > 431 fans probably constitutes a huge portion of > > > goods bought from TDI, especially the Booster > > > packages etc. you think the average Celine Dion > > > fan on the street that bought the first Dream > > > mixes when it came out and won't ever buy anything > > > else matters at all? not hardly. we are the hard > > > core buyers of their goods. period. > > > tom > > > > > > > Let me put my $0.02 worth here. > > If Edgar and Co are on this list, there is something for us, > as was mentioned before: we get fresh information, and sometimes > first access to new releases. That cannot be bad. > > That they are only 431 of us is somewhat meaningless. What > are the sales figures (total) of DM3 so far? Is it in the > hundreds, thousands or the tens of thousand? If the number is > in the 100's, then yes, we are a meaningful bunch as we buy > most of TD's production. If the sales figures are much higher, > we are STILL a meaningful group because we may influence > other people around us and may still provide a good enough > sample (i.e. representative) of the other TD's music lovers. > > In that case, there is something in there for TDI as well as they > get feedback about what is liked and what is less appreciated, > and -- despite any artists claim that they do and should always > follow their own vision rather than being influenced; sales > figures are still a big motivation -- this may entice the artist > to produce something that is better received next time. > > Evidently, when all is negative reviews while sales are brisk, > then the feedback we give is that we are *not* representative > of the average buyer, and TDI should get a second opinion > somewhere else. > > Mind you, the prime objective of this list is and, I presume, > shall remain, for the fans to discuss TD music among themselves. > If TDI is shocked by what they read and decide to no longer > take a peek at what they fans say, it is their decision. At the > same time it would be our loss as well as theirs. > > Myself, I am still hoping that TD would get back to a style > typical of my favorite period; but how much influence do I have? > > N.P.: Red Shift 'Ether' > > C.B.V. Goudreault > autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 > online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 > first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 9:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI is on the list? This is win-win to me... > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Goudreault [mailto:Vincent.Goudreault@c...] ... > If Edgar and Co are on this list, there is something for us, > as was mentioned before: we get fresh information, and sometimes > first access to new releases. That cannot be bad. AFAIK, Martin is the only one; Ed is not here, unless he is under an unrecognizable address. (I doubt it.) But I agree. ... > we are STILL a meaningful group because we may influence > other people around us and may still provide a good enough > sample (i.e. representative) of the other TD's music lovers. I'm not sure there is a way to know the numbers, unless TDI tells. I think the big record companies release this kind of info through Billboard or whomever, but even those numbers are questionable (do they include promos and stuff?); I doubt TDI bothers with this process. But I agree that as a group, we may be a powerfully influential motivator of TD music sales, extending beyond just our own purchases. Too bad much of that still goes to Virgin or whoever and not TD. Speaking of this, I wonder how Ed feels about the whole issue of bootlegging of TD music that they receive no money from? I know for example Ozric Tentacles got screwed out of their whole back catalog (they don't get a dime from the older record sales), and there is such a strong animosity against Snapper Records that fans will bootleg their older stuff for spite. The band does not endorse this of course, but I gotta assume that they feel a little vidicated. > In that case, there is something in there for TDI as well as they > get feedback about what is liked and what is less appreciated, > and -- despite any artists claim that they do and should always > follow their own vision rather than being influenced; sales > figures are still a big motivation -- this may entice the artist > to produce something that is better received next time. One thing is for sure: if Edgar lets feedback influence his music, it ain't coming from this list! > -----Original Message----- > From: scfeldman@j... [mailto:scfeldman@j...] > > But living in the past is not good for an artist. > Yeah, I don't like THE DREAM MIXES, OASIS, TIMESQUARE, > nor DREAM MIXES III, either. ;) I know you're being facetious, but I quite like DM3, just about all of it! But I believe Edgar said it himself on one of the interviews on Sea of Dreams: 'One has to allow the artist to cross new rivers,' or something like that. (as well as talking about the rhythmic direction the music had taken and that some thought it too commercial) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27566 Re: TDI is on the list? This is win-win to me... john@p... Fri 7/6/2001 2 KB 27573 TD, Froese, Ashra, Redshift +++ AUCTION Kees Sat 7/7/2001 2 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 9:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Needs To Hire Someone To Tell Him When He's Being an Idiot > I will not say that the music TD makes today is bad, it's just not my taste. > Jan > FINALLY Someone on this list actually makes a comment I can agree on AND sink my teeth into!! Obviously, if the Dream was not selling a single CD, or if they only sold 431 of any single release, it would not be a profitable venture to continue with. However, the very fact that they continue to record and release the same basic type of music over the last few years tells me that there must be a huge market for there music. And just because it may or may not be to my current taste does not, in any way, make it bad music. I certainly cannot put out any music at all, let alone anything better. So I am very happy to purchase AND appreciate the talents of Edgar and Jarome, (as well as CF, PB, JS, KS, MH, et al) Please, I am not attempting to start any type of flame war by my comments, I hope and pray that this will NOT be the shot-heard-round-the-world. However, stop complaining about what you do not like, and show them how it is done. Record something better then they are releasing right now. I know that you can, I have a copy of the first DWT. And I am eagerly awaiting the announcement that a second one is in the works. Not to my taste does not make it bad, just that I prefer something different. With Peace in Dreams Neal > I will not say that the music TD makes today is bad, it's just not my taste. > Jan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 9:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Good and bad > > Sorry, I've been on this list for 6 years now and have heard > the 'good or bad is a subjective point' argument advanced many, many > times. IT'S NOT F*CKING TRUE!!!. Bach's _Art of Fugue_ is > indubitably, unequivocally and proveably a better piece of music > than, for example, 'White Eagle' > > Glynn What if the person you are trying to convince absolutly, indubitably, unequivocally and proveably HATES classical music with a passion. You are NOT going to convince him that Bach is better than any type of music that that particular person happens to like. And that is because his taste is different than the person that happens to LOVE classical music. A difference in taste is what makes the worls go 'round. Neal > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27568 Re: Good and bad john@p... Fri 7/6/2001 2 KB From: john@p... Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 9:31 pm Subject: Re: TDI is on the list? This is win-win to me... --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > Speaking of this, I wonder how Ed feels about the whole issue of bootlegging > of TD music that they receive no money from? As I understand it, it's the ultimate evil, or it's fine in small non- commercial numbers. Consistent as ever. [Ozrics] > The band does not endorse this of course, but I gotta assume that > they feel a little vidicated. I read (on ozrics.com, I think) them suggesting everyone rip off the Snapper releases for that reason, and send the band a tenner if they felt like it. Maybe that got withdrawn for legal reasons. But it sounds fair to me. jc From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 10:01 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TDI is on the list? This is win-win to me... yeah, funny how 'fair' and 'legal' can be completely separate things! ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: john@p... [mailto:john@p...] > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 5:32 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: TDI is on the list? This is win-win to me... > > > --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > > > Speaking of this, I wonder how Ed feels about the whole issue of > bootlegging > > of TD music that they receive no money from? > > As I understand it, it's the ultimate evil, or it's fine in small non- > commercial numbers. Consistent as ever. > > [Ozrics] > > The band does not endorse this of course, but I gotta assume that > > they feel a little vidicated. > > I read (on ozrics.com, I think) them suggesting everyone rip off the > Snapper releases for that reason, and send the band a tenner if they > felt like it. Maybe that got withdrawn for legal reasons. But it > sounds fair to me. > > jc > > > From: john@p... Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 10:54 pm Subject: Re: Good and bad I have pretty strong opionions on what's good or bad in music, and I'd like to think I could back it up with objective reasons. But it still has a subjective factor - not everyone will agree that the elements I like or dislike are important. I guess that's what makes it interesting. Without the objective element the arguments would be pointless, without the subjective they wouldn't go on for decades. Personally, I find I appreciate classical music intellectually but it somehow fails to grab me. For instance, when I first gave time to Stravinski's Rite of Spring, I was entranced by it. But my attention had drifted before it had finshed. I really have no idea why. What's the point? I dunno, it's Friday, I've had a few drinks and am suffering from the illusion that my opinions matter. np: Stuntman. Can we all agree on this? jc From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Jul 6, 2001 11:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD sales figure ----- Original Message ----- From: 'ampmusic' > Re; TD sales figures. > A few years ago TD's sales figure for one album in the UK was 655. Hence their > preference for getting big advance payments out of labels before they found out :-) Hi Just out of curiousity, where do you have this info from and is this reliable???????? Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27570 Re: TD sales figure ampmusic Sat 7/7/2001 3 KB 27571 Re: TD sales figure Michael A Jean Sat 7/7/2001 3 KB 27577 Re: TD sales figure Paul Lawler Sat 7/7/2001 3 KB 27582 Re: TD sales figure ampmusic Sat 7/7/2001 2 KB 27600 Re: TD sales figure glynn_naughton@h... Mon 7/9/2001 2 KB 27602 Re: TD sales figure ampmusic Mon 7/9/2001 3 KB 27606 Re: TD sales figure Joe Shoults Mon 7/9/2001 2 KB 27610 Re: TD sales figure ampmusic Mon 7/9/2001 3 KB 27614 Re: TD sales figure glynn_naughton@h... Tue 7/10/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 2:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD sales figure Think about it, and yes :-) PERGAMON wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'ampmusic' > > Re; TD sales figures. > > A few years ago TD's sales figure for one album in the UK was 655. Hence their > > preference for getting big advance payments out of labels before they found out :-) > > Hi > > Just out of curiousity, where do you have this info from and is this reliable???????? > > Jan > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27571 Re: TD sales figure Michael A Jean Sat 7/7/2001 3 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 3:00 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TD sales figure Which one was that? TOB? > -----Original Message----- > From: ampmusic [mailto:tadream@a...] > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:32 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD sales figure > > > Think about it, and yes :-) > > > PERGAMON wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'ampmusic' > > > Re; TD sales figures. > > > A few years ago TD's sales figure for one album in the UK was > 655. Hence their > > > preference for getting big advance payments out of labels > before they found out :-) > > > > Hi > > > > Just out of curiousity, where do you have this info from > and is this reliable???????? > > > > Jan > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 3:58 am Subject: Re: Good and bad On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 1:27:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, glynn_naughton@h... writes: >Bach's _Art of Fugue_ is indubitably, unequivocally >and proveably a better piece of music than, for >example, 'White Eagle' (if you allow 'better' to be a >synonym for something like 'massively more complex and >sophisticated'). Just my opinion here, but why not simply say 'massively more complex and sophisticated,' and let 'better' continue to mean what it already means--namely, better? Your argument appears to hinge on redefining 'good' and 'bad.' I suppose under those definitions, good and bad are indeed objective, but I doubt anyone you're arguing with will accept that redefinition. --Daniel From: Kees Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 7:15 am Subject: TD, Froese, Ashra, Redshift +++ AUCTION Hi all, We've started a new auction. Amongst the items are: Edgar Froese 'Macula Transfer' and 'Epsilon in Malaysian pale', Redshift 'Redshift', Ashra 'Private Tapes #6' The address is: http://www.groove.nl/auction.html All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 9:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Needs To Hire Someone To Tell Him When He's Being an Idiot ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: 06 July 2001 16:16 Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Needs To Hire Someone To Tell Him When He's Being an Idiot > This is actually the best thing about TDI and TD, the total freedom to make music, exactly the way you want it, without having a record company, breathing down your neck, telling you that your music has to sound like the lastest poptrend. Yes, it actually seems as if TD are slowly but surely coming unto their own again. Of course we all long for the early Virgin years to return, but they won't. In fact, it is probably unheard of for any record company to allow as much slack and free rein to a band as Richard Branson gave TD when they first started recording for him. Since then, and throughout their involvement with Zomba, Private Music and Miramar, the Dream really seem to have struggled to find a formula that convinces the record company - actually, they probably had to worry more about pleasing the company than pleasing the fan base! If I were Edgar, I'd have founded my own record company after those experiences. It's just a pity that TD are probably nearing the end of their history now, given the recovery they've made since the late 80s and early 90s, and the laid-back quality of their recent releases (although I can't talk about DM3 here, which I don't have). Good to be back on the list. Greetings to all! Dennis From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 1:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Needs To Hire Someone To Tell Him When He's Being an Idiot > Good to be back on the list. Greetings to all! > Dennis Thank you, and welcome back Jan From: 'Coral Rumsey' Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 3:00 pm Subject: TD or not TD The fans who feel TD lost it a while back (the rot setting in just after Johannes left?) seem to be about two to the 'they've still got summat good' one, judging by 3 years lurking on various TD lists. No sign of anything likely to disturb this pattern imminent from TDI? Personally I've not been tempted to hand over money for their stuff since 'Rockoon' but would welcome a primer from those keeping close watch to fill me in on the best from the bewildering slew of blandly-titled issues since then. There's been others doing excellent 'electronic' music in the meantime (Main, David Toop) but God I do miss the sensibility that could give rise to the sublime like 'Mojave Plan' or the opening section of 'Logos'. Simon 'Bof' Fay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 11:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD sales figure I also found out from a certain artists who used to be at Zomba ,that albums like Poland only sold 3000 copies in the UK , and LeParc even less . The sales got worse with each release so it seems which pissed Zomba off as they had paid a huge fee for them on the strength of Phaedra . I guess TD made their money from soundtracks . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) ----- Original Message ----- From: PERGAMON To: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD sales figure > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'ampmusic' > > Re; TD sales figures. > > A few years ago TD's sales figure for one album in the UK was 655. Hence their > > preference for getting big advance payments out of labels before they found out :-) > > Hi > > Just out of curiousity, where do you have this info from and is this reliable???????? > > Jan > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI is on the list? This is win-win to me... > One thing is for sure: if Edgar lets feedback influence his music, it ain't > coming from this list! Edgar has made it abundantly clear on numerous occasions that he is not interested in fans' opinions and wishes regarding the music that TD produces. That doesn't mean to say he doesn't want us to be happy - it just means that he can only remain true to himself if he composes and plays music because he wants to, not because the fans want him to. Given that, I would be very surprised if he kept an eye on the list at all. Dennis From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 5:03 pm Subject: Roedelius and Schnitzler - Acon Hello all Today I got into a record shop and purchased a rather unusual CD. It is a Japanese CD album by Conrad Schnitzler and Achim Roedelius. The title is called 'Acon'. I believe the title refers to the reunion of A(chim Roedlius) and Con(rad Schnitzler). It is only a limited edition of 1000 copies, and possibly the first work of the 2 musicians after their last album by Kluster some 30 years ago! It has 16 tracks or so and lasts for about 61 minutes. Some 'homework' for myself this weekend....8-) Jeffrey P.S. For those interested in DVD-collecting...I just got a spare Oasis DVD region 3 release...its got a different cover from the US region 1 release...contact me off-list with an offer please... From: vic rek Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 5:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] [OT] Source for Steve Schroyder/Star Sounds albums? I've got one Schroyer CD on eBay right now - auction ending in about 22 hours ;-) gyedid@p... wrote: > Hello folks, > > Can anybody here please point me to a source for Steve Schroyder > albums? I'm also interested in albums he did as part of Star Sounds > Orchestra. > > I realize that most of his albums are rare to begin with or out of > print, but I'd really appreciate a tip here. > > cheers, > > Gabe From: 'Greg' Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 10:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Needs To Hire Someone To Tell Him When He's Being an Idiot DM3 Is actually pretty decent and I've been enjoying TDs newer releases since 96. I'm pretty upset about the lack of discussion about Soundmill Navigator. People only talk about the tape defect. I actually love the tape clicking - I yearn for it for some reason as I begin to listen. You can interpret it as the only mechanically produced sound on the entire album. Tangentizing or not, it all melds together pretty well and I enjoy from beginning to end. Greg H. > If I were Edgar, I'd have founded my own record company after those experiences. It's just a pity that TD are probably nearing the end of their history now, given the recovery they've made since the late 80s and early 90s, and the laid-back quality of their recent releases (although I can't talk about DM3 here, which I don't have). > > Good to be back on the list. Greetings to all! > > Dennis From: ampmusic Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 8:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD sales figure Paul Lawler wrote: > I also found out from a certain artists who used to be at Zomba ,that albums > like Poland only sold 3000 copies in the UK , and LeParc even less . The > sales got worse with each release so it seems which pissed Zomba off as they > had paid a huge fee for them on the strength of Phaedra . > I guess TD made their money from soundtracks . > > Paul and from those huge fees extracted from foolishly supportive labels of course :-) From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sun Jul 8, 2001 3:24 am Subject: Edgar listening to our opinions I somehow don't feel it's entirely true that Edgar isn't interested in our opinions on TD's musical output, but what I feel is true is that he will not, indeed cannot, act upon them. The day he begins to alter TD's sound in accordance with the opinions and suggestions of its fans is the day TD are dead as a creative force. Some will say this is already the case, but that is a subjective point of view based solely on an individual's musical taste and nothing more. The current state of TD's market influence is a case in point. Their CD sales these days are very poor, and yet have they made any deliberate move into more commercial areas to aleviate this? No. Instead, they continue to produce the music they need to produce in order to present an accurate musical representation of TD. It's like: 'this is what we do. If you like it, that's great. If you don't, well, we hope you like the next one.' Some will say TD's move into lucrative soundtrack work contradicts this, and I would agree with that. And this is precisely why I consider all their soundtrack work has to listened to in that specific context. TD would not have come up with the music for 'Sorcerer' had they been composing the music for the follow up to 'Stratosfear'. As with all their soundtracks (or 'scores' to give them their correct term), 'Sorcerer' was composed to capture and enhance certain on-screen images and moods. Becasue of this, soundtrack work must be regarded outside the sphere of TD's normal musical direction, as the music created for them has certain requirements which TD would never consider as part of their normal creative process. Regardless of the field in which they specialise, any true artitst must express themselves by whatever means they feel necessary in order to produce a true reflection of their inner self, emotions, etc, regardless of whether their output is commercially viable or not. As soon as any artist, be they a musician, a film director or a painter, begins to compromise their artistic vision in favour of commercial gain, then they are, in Edgar's own words, prostituting themselves. Of course, having said that, bills still need to be paid, studios need maintaining, and gear needs to be paid for. And I feel this is precisely why TD are releasing so much material nowadays: to compensate for their poor sales figures and lowly market position. In leiu of one CD selling, say, 10,000 copies, they release 10 CDs, the combined sales of which add up to that 10,000, and thus balancing the books. But because they release so many CDs, the overall musical quality of each one is compromised. TD have certainly composed some wonderful music over the last 10 years (parts of '220 Volt', 'Rockoon' and 'Goblins Club', a lot of 'Mars Polaris' and some of the 'Dream Mixes' stuff), but a lot of it has been mediocre to say the least. But if this is the music TD want and need to release, then we as fans have to accept that. We don't have to buy it, but we must accept TD's currect musical state for what it is. If some of you guys out there aren't happy with TD's output at the moment, then that is as valid a point of view as someone who likes it. Neither point of view is right, and neither is wrong. From a purely lilstener's perspective, music is far too subjective a medium for any exact criteria to be drawn up or ahdhered to, with respect to whether a particulart piece is good or bad. But neither point of view should ever bear any influence on TD's musical direction, and it never will, and the sooner everyone realises this the better. We have the choice of whether to buy their new CD or not. No one is forcing our hand in that respect. Certainly we can voice our opinions, our frustrations, even our anger at some of TDI's more dubious business practises of late, but one thing we should never, ever, expect is for TD to alter their sound, their compositional style, or their musical philosophy to satisfy our demands. If that were ever the case, Edgar may as well give us the keys to his studio and allow us to create the music ourselves. - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27584 Re: Edgar listening to our opinions PERGAMON Sat 7/7/2001 6 KB 27585 Re: Edgar listening to our opinions Julannparc@a... Sat 7/7/2001 2 KB 27599 Re: Edgar listening to our opinions bert.hulshoff@d... Mon 7/9/2001 2 KB 27601 Re: Edgar listening to our opinions glynn_naughton@h... Mon 7/9/2001 5 KB 27653 Re: Edgar listening to our opinions Dennis Nigbur Thu 7/12/2001 4 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 7:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar listening to our opinions AMEN!!!!! Well said!!! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Chris Owen' To: 'tadream Mailing List' Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 5:24 AM Subject: [tadream] Edgar listening to our opinions > I somehow don't feel it's entirely true that Edgar isn't interested in our > opinions on TD's musical output, but what I feel is true is that he will > not, indeed > cannot, act upon them. The day he begins to alter TD's sound in accordance > with the opinions and suggestions of its fans is the day TD are dead as a > creative force. Some will say this is already the case, but that is a > subjective point of view based solely on an individual's musical taste and nothing more. The > current state of TD's market influence is a case in point. Their CD sales > these days are very poor, and yet have they made any deliberate move into > more commercial areas to aleviate this? No. Instead, they continue to produce > the music they need to produce in order to present an accurate musical > representation of TD. It's like: 'this is what we do. If you like it, that's > great. If you don't, well, we hope you like the next one.' Some will say TD's move into lucrative soundtrack work contradicts this, and I would agree with that. And this is precisely why I consider all their soundtrack work has to listened to in that specific context. TD would not have come up with the music for 'Sorcerer' had they been composing the music for the follow up to 'Stratosfear'. As with all their soundtracks (or 'scores' to give them their correct term), 'Sorcerer' was composed to capture and enhance certain on-screen images and moods. Becasue of this, soundtrack work must be regarded outside the sphere of TD's normal musical direction, as the music created for them has certain requirements which TD would never consider as part of their normal creative process. > > Regardless of the field in which they specialise, any true artitst must > express themselves by whatever means they feel necessary > in order to produce a true reflection of their inner self, emotions, etc, > regardless of whether their output is commercially viable or not. As soon as > any artist, be they a musician, a film director or a painter, begins to > compromise their artistic vision in favour of commercial gain, then they > are, in Edgar's own words, prostituting themselves. Of course, having said > that, bills still need to be paid, studios need maintaining, and gear needs to be > paid for. And I feel this is precisely why TD are releasing so much material > nowadays: to compensate for their poor sales figures and lowly market position. In leiu of one CD selling, say, > 10,000 copies, they release 10 CDs, the combined sales of which add up to that > 10,000, and thus balancing the books. But because they release so many CDs, > the overall musical quality of each one is compromised. TD have certainly > composed some wonderful music over the last 10 years (parts of '220 Volt', > 'Rockoon' and 'Goblins Club', a lot of 'Mars Polaris' and some of the 'Dream > Mixes' stuff), but a lot of it has been mediocre to say the least. But if > this is the music TD want and need to release, then we as fans have to > accept that. We don't have to buy it, but we must accept TD's currect musical state for what it is. > > If some of you guys out there aren't happy with TD's output at the moment, > then that is as valid a point of view as someone who likes it. Neither point > of view is right, and neither is wrong. From a purely lilstener's > perspective, music is far too subjective a medium for any exact criteria to > be drawn up or ahdhered to, with respect to whether a particulart piece is good or bad. But neither point of view should ever bear any > influence on TD's musical direction, and it never will, and the sooner > everyone realises this the better. We have the choice of whether to buy > their new CD or not. No one is forcing our hand in that respect. Certainly > we can voice our opinions, our frustrations, even our anger at some of TDI's > more dubious business practises of late, but one thing we should never, ever, expect > is for TD to alter their sound, their compositional style, or their musical > philosophy to satisfy our demands. If that were ever the case, Edgar may as > well give us the keys to his studio and allow us to create the music > ourselves. > > - Chris > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Julannparc@a... Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 8:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar listening to our opinions Chris.Excellent words indeed. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sun Jul 8, 2001 1:03 am Subject: TD sales figures I've found the correspondence relating to TD record sales figures most interesting. As one who purchases an appreciable amount of so-called classical music on CD, I tend to buy quite a number of releases from the small UK independents like ASV, Hyperion and Chandos. My guess is that all of them would be very happy if a thousand copies of any of their releases was sold. I have no doubt that many of their recordings do not fare anywhere near as well as that. Nevertheless, they all seem to keep going and continue to release new ones. I think that tells us something about the philosophy of the record industry generally, or perhaps more particularly about the different attitudes of individuals within it. It seems that there are those who run record companies because they love music and want to promote the non-standard repertoire and feel they have the means to do it , and there are others who are in it for the fast buck! > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27588 Re: TD sales figures ampmusic Sun 7/8/2001 4 KB 27593 Re: TD sales figures Deb H-J Sun 7/8/2001 3 KB 27597 Re: TD sales figures John Marchington Mon 7/9/2001 8 KB 27611 Re: TD sales figures Jim Moore Tue 7/10/2001 2 KB 27616 Re: TD sales figures John Marchington Tue 7/10/2001 3 KB From: vic rek Date: Sun Jul 8, 2001 5:36 am Subject: 1976 Concert & Warsaw 2001 Question I have read that one of the shows from 1976 did not happen and that both concert tape releases are from the same show. I recall this to be true of the Paris '76 shows in Palais du Sport on 76.01.23 and Nouvel Hippodrome de Paris 76.01.26. If these two shows are the same tapes, then which show is the recording from? Now, how does the Saarbrucken Universitat show in Germany played on 76.01.24 fit into this schedule? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, I just read on the Polish TD list that a Polish newspaper announced that the 'The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' show will be featuring Tangerine Dream on the last day of August?!? Is this an error or will TD be playing into September 1st? Also, what is Haslinger up to. Any new releases or soundtracks? Vic NP: Dallas Brooks Hall, Melbourne Australia 1975 - Superb!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27589 Re: 1976 Concert & Warsaw 2001 Question ampmusic Sun 7/8/2001 3 KB 27615 Re: 1976 Concert & Warsaw 2001 Question wyslannik@y... Tue 7/10/2001 2 KB 27617 Re: Warsaw 2001 TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Tue 7/10/2001 3 KB From: ampmusic Date: Sun Jul 8, 2001 12:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD sales figures If you think that attempting to promote any type of non-standard music is anyone's idea of making a 'fast buck' you need a serious reality adjustment :-) Also if you think that classical music is some kind of 'poor relation' in terms of sales or promotional opportunities as compared to electronic music, think again. Any label wanting to make a 'fast buck' would choose classical, or jazz, or country & western, or fuc***g surf music over electronic music any day. If you think that anyone gets involved with a musical style which has exactly one semi-pro magazine and one regional radio programme as promotional outlets in the whole UK, and not many more in the USA, as the result of any detailed cost/benefit analysis, you're nuts. On the other hand, if you can explain how anyone can make money on a band which demands a 5,000 pound advance for the UK in the form of a personal cheque and goes on to sell 655 copies, let's hear it :-) John Marchington wrote: > I've found the correspondence relating to TD record sales figures most > interesting. As one who purchases an appreciable amount of so-called > classical music on CD, I tend to buy quite a number of releases from the > small UK independents like ASV, Hyperion and Chandos. My guess is that all > of them would be very happy if a thousand copies of any of their releases > was sold. I have no doubt that many of their recordings do not fare anywhere > near as well as that. Nevertheless, they all seem to keep going and continue > to release new ones. > I think that tells us something about the philosophy of the record industry > generally, or perhaps more particularly about the different attitudes of > individuals within it. It seems that there are those who run record > companies because they love music and want to promote the non-standard > repertoire and feel they have the means to do it , and there are others who > are in it for the fast buck! > > > ----------------------------------- From: ampmusic Date: Sun Jul 8, 2001 12:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 1976 Concert & Warsaw 2001 Question Paul Haslinger is busy having just assisted on the soundtrack for 'Red Planet' amongst others. There's plenty of information on his website www.haslinger.com. He also has a piece on 'Music for the 3rd Millennium Vol. 2', with information at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html vic rek wrote: > I have read that one of the shows from 1976 did not happen and that both > concert tape releases are from the same show. I recall this to be true > of the Paris '76 shows in Palais du Sport on 76.01.23 and Nouvel > Hippodrome de Paris 76.01.26. If these two shows are the same tapes, > then which show is the recording from? > > Now, how does the Saarbrucken Universitat show in Germany played on > 76.01.24 fit into this schedule? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Also, I just read on the Polish TD list that a Polish newspaper > announced that the 'The Most > Beautiful Rock for Peace' show will be featuring Tangerine Dream on the > last day of August?!? > Is this an error or will TD be playing into September 1st? > > Also, what is Haslinger up to. Any new releases or soundtracks? > > Vic > > NP: Dallas Brooks Hall, Melbourne Australia 1975 - Superb!! > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Jul 8, 2001 11:32 am Subject: auction closed Hi all, the auction on http://www.caby.de/Music/Rarity is now closed, only two items got sold, so feel free to mail me an open bid for any of the leftovers. cheers, klaus From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 5:07 am Subject: Re: personal tastes and preferences This is kind of a 'my thoughts' response to some of the threads that have been woven this past week... Interesting discussion going on about DM3, recent work, and past work. I submit that (old material used notwithstanding), a lot of DM3 seems to me to be not that much different than a lot of the older material. What I mean to say, is that a lot of the old elements are still there, but presented in a different way. I went through a period where, beginning with around the time of Melrose, etc., I kind of fell off the TD planet. I did not like most of the new material from that time forward. To me, it sounded not that much different than the demo sequences you'd hear on say a Korg 01/W and not the TD that I had grown to know and love. Heck, Edgar and Jerome even showed up on the 01/W demo cd. I rest my case. (I actually like that song, but that's a whole different story.) Then a couple years ago I ran into some friends (girlfriend, to be exact), and some artists/djs who were very into dance music, trance, etc. After exploring those genres for a while, a few months back I picked up Tan-go and really liked most of the songs. I wound up getting a bunch of other cds, Luminous Visions, Mars, Polaris, etc. and I find that I really like a lot of the pieces that I once hated. I still love Phaedra, Rubycon, Ricochet, Encore, and all of the other albums that I've always loved, but I can also appreciate the new stuff too now. So, my point is, that 'good music' and 'bad music' are relative. Artists change, people change. We're all entitled to choose what we like, but it's also good to try and keep an open mind. I think that in relationship to a lot of the trance/dance music that's out there, the current TD stuff stands up very well. Perhaps there WAS a gray time during which the new lineup needed to explore and figure out a way to meld their different approaches and things hadn't quite gelled, but I think they've gelled now. I think they've succeeded quite well for what they currently seem to be going after. It was mentioned somewhere recently that the current TD work sounds like Edgar's solo work. I disagree. I think that there is a definite difference in song structure and sound elements used when Jerome is present. So, I think he IS an equal contributor. Certainly his drum work or use of loops, or whatever it is, is quite good in my opinion. As for some of the other members' work... I think that Chris Franke's work on Babylon 5 was fantastic and contributed greatly to the character of the show. I think it's interesting how he is applying some of the old synth 'tricks' into an orchestral framework. I like Paul Haslinger's work, especially the soundtracks to Planetary Traveller and Infinity's Child. For the 'ultimate set' discussion... I think I agree that the improv is what always got me most excited. It's a shame that no longer seems to happen. In my opinion, I think that to a certain extent TD music has always been a product of the technology. In the studio, when hardware sequencers began to be replaced with MIDI and software, and on tour, as the old stuff probably became too frail to travel with, one can see how the music changed also. I think it's very difficult to take a computer running Cubase and try to use that program interactively in a live improvisational manner. So, taking your songfiles and muting out certain tracks to play along live, seems like a logical solution for what it is. Either that, or using the built-in sequencers on the keyboards. Now that the software has evolved and you have virtual synthesizers like Reaktor, with the facility for replicating the old step sequencers, etc., as well as the emergence of better hardware controllers for them, perhaps that will change. For a long time too, keyboards became very improv unfriendly, in the sense that you would have a multi-page display, a data entry knob, and a volume knob. Period. Not very condusive to freeform experimentation. Now that lots of knobs and 'analog' are all the rage again, anything can happen. Finally, as for not having A&R people to filter the quality of your work... perhaps this is the bad side of the studio/record label revolution. I guess it's very difficult to be objective sometimes - especially about your own work. But there are many people who seem to do okay... Peter Gabriel (when he actually does something these days!), Ani De Franco, Loreena McKennitt, Ian Anderson, Yes, Robert Fripp, etc. Anyway, my 2 cents (or more) :-\ Best, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27598 Re: personal tastes and preferences Deb H-J Mon 7/9/2001 3 KB 27609 Re: personal tastes and preferences =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Vill Mon 7/9/2001 4 KB 27654 Re: personal tastes and preferences Dennis Nigbur Thu 7/12/2001 3 KB From: msgarcia@p... Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 7:46 am Subject: question from chile hi anybody know what is the song in the begining of the interview on Sea Of Dreams, Disc 4 - 01 - Promo Spot For 'Risky Business when he said to franke 'how you describe this music?' this is my first time in this place,sorry idont speak in english very good Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27595 Re: question from chile Antonio Nunes Sun 7/8/2001 2 KB 27596 Re: question from chile Antonio Nunes Sun 7/8/2001 2 KB From: Deb H-J Date: Sun Jul 8, 2001 1:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD sales figures John: > I've found the correspondence relating to TD record > sales figures most > interesting. As one who purchases an appreciable > amount of so-called > classical music on CD, I tend to buy quite a number > of releases from the > small UK independents like ASV, Hyperion and > Chandos. An interesting point. I have bought a number of CDs from the Argo label, through BMG, which is supposed to be modern British composers like Nyman. The other labels sound intriguing, and I was wondering which composers you buy and if you have any to recommend. You can write me personally, if you like. I've more or less come to terms with MSN (which means 'Migraine Soon Now', as I've discovered), and can now get messages. Adios, Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Sun Jul 8, 2001 6:49 pm Subject: Compilation LP http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1444228615 80s LP compilation with TD, JMJ etc Best whishes, Glenn Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/newtrax From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Jul 8, 2001 8:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] question from chile msgarcia@p... wrote: > > hi > > anybody know what is the song in the begining of the interview on Sea > Of Dreams, Disc 4 - 01 - Promo Spot For 'Risky Business when he said > to franke 'how you describe this music?' Hi and welcome to the list. Answering to your question, you can find that music on the album 'Antique Dreams' (track 6 - Edinburgh Castle). That tune was played on concerts from the early 80's. Antonio From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Jul 8, 2001 9:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] question from chile msgarcia@p... wrote: > > anybody know what is the song in the begining of the interview on Sea > Of Dreams, Disc 4 - 01 - Promo Spot For 'Risky Business when he said > to franke 'how you describe this music?' In addition to my previous message, and since you have 'A Sea of Dreams', just listen to the track 6 of Disc 4 (Sobornost) and you'll find the answer to your own question :-) Antonio From: 'John Marchington' Date: Mon Jul 9, 2001 4:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD sales figures I think you've missed the point. The emphasis was supposed to be on the 'fast' in that some of the releases from those companies I mentioned will only start to show reasonable returns after MANY YEARS of 'trickle' sales, while some NEVER will -- and, yes I DO think that SOME examples of (particularly) certain styles of contemporary music are a 'poor relation' in comparison with electronic music. I bet, after the initial novelty had worn off, you wouldn't give Stockhausen's 'Helicopter' quartet another hearing! I admit I'm talking about one specific work, but there are enough of those to make one wonder about the wisdom of it all -- and yet the companies keep bringing them out. Sure, someone probably likes them (including me, sometimes) and some of the record companies seem to feel that they owe it to us to record them, even when it means they lose buckets of money each time. One assumes they make enough with SOME of their recordings to remain in business. Overall, I bet Virgin did well enough out of TD sales over time. Otherwise, why would they have gone to the trouble of remastering everything? -- or -- ahem -- did they know that the likes of me would go ahead and buy them all again in the hope that maybe the sound would be a bit better the second time around .... (weren't all those spelling misteaks terrible!!) I take your point about EM promotion in magazines and on the air. It's perhaps worth mentioning that I have yet to hear ANYTHING by TD from a New Zealand radio station! I've even thought seriously about starting up a station myself to 'spread the word' but the cost of setting it up and the on-going organization required have tended to dampen the enthusiasm. Bands demanding money in advance for eventual small returns in sales isn't anything new either! Musicians Unions or symphony orchestras that run their own businesses do much the same. The former often demand specific rehearsal time and timespans for the recording sessions that don't always suit the record companies. The demands made by the latter is one the reasons why budget record company Naxos, for example, won't record an orchestra like the London Symphony, or why EMI say that when Sir Simon Rattle becomes Musical Director of the Berlin Philharmonic next year it's highly unlikely that they will make many recordings with them because of costs -- and Warner EMI Music is hardly a struggling business! My feeling, however, is that when the time comes they will record them nevertheless, because it's simply too good an act to ignore! Anyway, classical music has its own set of problems that EM doesn't tend to strike. If you record yet another Beethoven symphony, you're competing with hundreds of others already established that are probably at least as well played and interpreted as your version, and if you record something that hasn't been recorded before; interested record-buyers are likely to ask the question as to WHY it hasn't been previously recorded -- assuming that it's not a recently published work, of course. Might I conclude by saying that the Internet and companies like Napster haven't helped matters either! I know it's 'dog eats dog' out there, but .... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'ampmusic' To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD sales figures > > If you think that attempting to promote any type of non-standard music is > anyone's idea of making a 'fast buck' you need a serious reality adjustment :-) > > Also if you think that classical music is some kind of 'poor relation' in terms > of sales or promotional opportunities as compared to electronic music, think > again. > > Any label wanting to make a 'fast buck' would choose classical, or jazz, or > country & western, or fuc***g surf music over electronic music any day. If you > think that anyone gets involved with a musical style which has exactly one > semi-pro magazine and one regional radio programme as promotional outlets in > the whole UK, and not many more in the USA, as the result of any detailed > cost/benefit analysis, you're nuts. > > On the other hand, if you can explain how anyone can make money on a band which > demands a 5,000 pound advance for the UK in the form of a personal cheque and > goes on to sell 655 copies, let's hear it :-) > > > > John Marchington wrote: > > > I've found the correspondence relating to TD record sales figures most > > interesting. As one who purchases an appreciable amount of so-called > > classical music on CD, I tend to buy quite a number of releases from the > > small UK independents like ASV, Hyperion and Chandos. My guess is that all > > of them would be very happy if a thousand copies of any of their releases > > was sold. I have no doubt that many of their recordings do not fare anywhere > > near as well as that. Nevertheless, they all seem to keep going and continue > > to release new ones. > > I think that tells us something about the philosophy of the record industry > > generally, or perhaps more particularly about the different attitudes of > > individuals within it. It seems that there are those who run record > > companies because they love music and want to promote the non-standard > > repertoire and feel they have the means to do it , and there are others who > > are in it for the fast buck! > > > > > ----------------------------------- > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27611 Re: TD sales figures Jim Moore Tue 7/10/2001 2 KB From: Deb H-J Date: Sun Jul 8, 2001 5:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: personal tastes and preferences > I went through a period where, beginning with around > the time of Melrose, > etc., I kind of fell off the TD planet. I did not > like most of the new > material from that time forward. You make a lot of good points. It should not be overlooked that some folks, like me, got interested in TD through Melrose/post-Melrose music, and it brought me into checking out their earlier work. I remember hearing 'Phaedra' when it first came out, but it didn't click with me at the time like it did years later when I listened to the CD a couple of times and gave it a proper hearing. With a lot of respect toward the longtime fans of TD, some of us are still discovering their work. I try to make up my own opinions about their work, and sometimes it is difficult to give a previously unheard piece an objective hearing if a majority of folks in this group slam it. Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27609 Re: personal tastes and preferences =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Vill Mon 7/9/2001 4 KB From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Mon Jul 9, 2001 6:44 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Edgar listening to our opinions > ---------- > From: Chris Owen[SMTP:chris@o...] > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 05:24 > To: tadream Mailing List > Subject: [tadream] Edgar listening to our opinions > > , Edgar may as well give us the keys to his studio and allow us to create > the music > ourselves. > > - Chris > > That would be great ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27601 Re: Edgar listening to our opinions glynn_naughton@h... Mon 7/9/2001 5 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Mon Jul 9, 2001 9:21 am Subject: Re: TD sales figure >>Re; TD sales figures. >> A few years ago TD's sales figure for one album in the UK was 655. Hence their >> preference for getting big advance payments out of labels before they found >>out :-) > >Hi > > Just out of curiousity, where do you have this info from and is this >reliable???????? > >Jan If I remember rightly, I seem to remember reading in Voyager once that there was a record company called AMP who had a short and somewhat acrimonious relationship with TD. So presumably this is coming from the horse's mouth. I think the CD in question was _Tyranny of Beauty_. If it was, I think 655 is a very respectable figure ;-) Glynn From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Mon Jul 9, 2001 11:00 am Subject: Re: Edgar listening to our opinions From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sun Jul 8, 2001 3:24 am Subject: Edgar listening to our opinions >I somehow don't feel it's entirely true that Edgar isn't interested >in our opinions on TD's musical output, but what I feel is true is >that he will not, indeed cannot, act upon them. The day he begins to >alter TD's sound in accordance with the opinions and suggestions of >its fans is the day TD are dead as a creative force. Some will say >this is already the case, but that is a subjective point of view >based solely on an individual's musical taste and nothing more. The >current state of TD's market influence is a case in point. >Their CD sales these days are very poor, and yet have they made any >deliberate move into more commercial areas to aleviate this? No. >Instead, they continue to produce the music they need to produce in >order to present an accurate musical On the contrary, I think that the 90s were the decade when TD started to try and follow trends to boost their flagging fan base (dressing up as Gun's n Roses, doing dance mixes, etc, etc), but the supremely ironic thing is that this coincided with a nosedive in their popularity. Contrast this with the days of _Phaedra_, when they genuinely didn't give a hoot about popular trends, and also sold large numbers of records. >Regardless of the field in which they specialise, any true artitst >must express themselves by whatever means they feel necessary >in order to produce a true reflection of their inner self, emotions, >etc,regardless of whether their output is commercially viable or >not. As soon as any artist, be they a musician, a film director or a >painter, begins to compromise their artistic vision in favour of >commercial gain, then they are, in Edgar's own words, prostituting >themselves. That does for poor old William Shakespeare, then. Although we don't know too much about him, it's pretty likely that he regarded himself as nothing more than a hack who churned out popular entertainments. Classic case in point: _Henry IV Part I_ was massively succesful, so what did he do? Made _Henry IV Part II_, despite the fact that this sequel makes absolutely no sense in relation to the first play. It's as cynical as any Hollywood film with a Roman numeral after the title - a piece of pure financial opportunism. (No surprise that Shakespeare retired a very wealthy man.) This strikes me as indicative of an eminently healthy, breezy and unpretentious attitude to life. Art and money are in no way incompatible. I always find it ironic, too, that the 'I must be true to my inner vision' line is heard more and more the further down the artistic food chain you get. Pop groups who know only 3 chords are far more precious about their 'art' than Beethoven or Mozart ever were. My advice to these people is to loosen up, stop being such arses and stop taking themselves so seriously. After all, what was good enough for Shakespeare and Mozart is more than good enough for the likes of them. Glynn 'A big rubber pig is in no way equivalent to Van Gogh's Yellow Chair. I wish to make that perfectly clear.' - Nick Mason From: ampmusic Date: Mon Jul 9, 2001 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD sales figure It wasn't acriminious until Edgar stole the cash and buggered off :-) However, there's no lack of more trustworthy people wanting to appear on the label these days - Haslinger, Emerson, Wakeman, Moraz, Isao Tomita, Synergy, Pinhas, Bartos, White Noise, David Bedford, Deep Forest, Hideki Matsutake, just to name some of those with otherwise unreleased tracks. Oh, and Nick Rhodes (Duran Duran), Nash the Slash, and appearances from Kitaro, Sally Oldfield, etc. etc. etc. http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html glynn_naughton@h... wrote: > >>Re; TD sales figures. > >> A few years ago TD's sales figure for one album in the UK was 655. > Hence their preference for getting big advance payments out of labels > before > they found out :-) > > > >Hi > > > Just out of curiousity, where do you have this info from and is > this reliable???????? > >Jan > > If I remember rightly, I seem to remember reading in Voyager once > that there was a record company called AMP who had a short and > somewhat acrimonious relationship with TD. So presumably this is > coming from the horse's mouth. > > I think the CD in question was 'Tyranny of Beauty'. If it was, I > think 655 is a very respectable figure ;-) > > Glynn > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: kevine@c... Date: Mon Jul 9, 2001 12:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Good and bad Sorry about the delay in posting, but Glynn said: > Sorry, I've been on this list for 6 years now and have heard > the 'good or bad is a subjective point' argument advanced many, many > times. IT'S NOT F*CKING TRUE!!!. Bach's _Art of Fugue_ is > indubitably, unequivocally and proveably a better piece of music > than, for example, 'White Eagle' ... Actually, it is true and will remain true no matter how much you dislike it. Music (and all art) is a wholly subjective experience. You can easily convince me that I am wrong by providing an objective measurement that I (or anyone else) can easily use to distinguish the value of two different musical works. The measurement will be objective if and only if it always returns the same value, no matter who does the measuring. Complexity is an example of an objective measurement, but I doubt that you would agree that the more complex a musical piece is, the better it is. Greg added: > I agree here with you Glynn, as a person with a formal visual art education > and an oil painter, I know that all art (visual, musical, written) carries a > certain level of design and it's how well certain aspects of design are put > together that we can judge that one thing is better than another. But he did not provide an objective scale by which to judge this 'level of design'. It is, and shall remain, subjective. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27604 Re: Good and bad j.gordon Mon 7/9/2001 4 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Jul 9, 2001 1:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Good and bad > Actually, it is true and will remain true no matter how much you dislike > it. Music (and all art) is a wholly subjective experience. i think that we are in a semantic spiral... merriam webster says this of objective (among many other non-applicable choices): expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations and this on subjective: modified or affected by personal views, experience, or background this is my, then, understanding... all things as one strays from the noun are subjective... no two ways about it... we all agree it's music in the broadest sense of the word (foregoing all the snide remarks to the contrary) and from there on out, one will deal with a subjective viewpoint... one can build a logical argument to prove that one thing is better than another, but it actually has no bearing on anyone's experience... it's an intellectual exericse for just that point... good and bad are actually moral considerations, which, at least at this point, don't have much bearing on TD... =) and no matter which scale you use, devise or convince another to use, better or worse is based on experience and education, but most importantly, subject to personal taste... and, to cap it off, i've yet to meet ANYONE who will choose something that they don't like simply because someone else said it was better than that which was preferred... 'if two million people do a stupid thing, it's still a stupid thing.' just because 'everybody' or 'a majority' agree that such-and-such is a better album, doesn't make is so... we simply agree that we all prefer this album over another... art is not the only thing subject to this principle... all things beyond the empherical fall under this realm... edgar can do whatever he pleases, free from the yoke of objectivity, but not, as he so dearly wishes (or so i interpret his comments), popularity... as long as he sticks his art out for public consumption, he is subject to the masses opinions, whether he wants them or not... if he wants to avoid public opinion, he'll have to compose for himself... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Jul 9, 2001 3:10 pm Subject: New postage rates from Germany The German post has raised rates for small packets, effective July 1st. They did this without any press announcement (at least none I saw!), and even do not offer updated price lists yet, except on their Internet site. Bottom line: small packet base rate is now DM 15.- (Europe) and DM 19.- (world) + additional fees for air mail etc. So, if your German trading contacts ask for more postage, they are _not_ ripping you off. best regards, klaus From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 9, 2001 3:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD sales figure You're joking, right? What do you mean? > -----Original Message----- > From: ampmusic [mailto:tadream@a...] ... > It wasn't acriminious until Edgar stole the cash and buggered off :-) ... > > glynn_naughton@h... wrote: ... > > If I remember rightly, I seem to remember reading in Voyager once > > that there was a record company called AMP who had a short and > > somewhat acrimonious relationship with TD. So presumably this is From: kevine@c... Date: Mon Jul 9, 2001 3:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Good and bad J. Gordon said: > i think that we are in a semantic spiral... I am not trying to argue semantics. I am merely asking for someone to provide a scale by which music may be judged. An objective scale so that the measurement is > perceived without distortion > by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations and therefore the same result will be obtained by different people using it against the same piece of music. > one can build a > logical argument to prove that one thing is better than another, but it > actually has no bearing on anyone's experience... it's an intellectual exericse > for just that point... I agree that it will probably have no bearing on the actual experience though. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Jul 9, 2001 3:06 pm Subject: item`s for sale Hi all, list of item`s that I have for sale (no TD): all CD`s and all in mint condition - Looking East-East Germany-Electronic East , Erdenklang 91345 , 1991 - Erdenklang Music Vol. III , Erdenklang 28572 , 1992 - V/A - Harmonized , NH 100 , Promo sampler Neu harmony 1999 - You - Electric day , CUE 4001 , 1996 , out of print , (Mixed by Harald Grosskopf/Ashra) - Elektric Music - Esperanto , SPV 084-92832 , GER 1993 (with german Promosheet b/w) - Jörg Schaaf - Sonar experience , SSV 1JS 112 , GER 1999 , (played together with KS on 'Dosburg online') - John Kerr - Grand Finales , TBNCD 990012 , NL 1999 , signed by J. Kerr - John Kerr - Gentle angels , TBNCD 990013 , NL 1999 , signed by J. Kerr please make offer to heiko@o... thank you. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Christian Villazón Date: Thu Jul 5, 2001 10:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: personal tastes and preferences Hello, I started with Melrose/Firestarter too, and it is one my favorites albums. I like Turn of the Tides, Rockoon and Goblin's Club too. They are excellent albums. Of course, Phaedra, Rubycon and Ricochet are masterpieces, they are great. And I have the same opinion. Here many people starter with 90s albums and go towards 70s albums. Personally, I love all the albums from Tangerine Dream, of course there are certain albums that are not so good for me, but they are good for others. It is only a personal taste an preference Greetings Christian from the Goblin's Club -----Original Message----- From: Deb H-J [mailto:dhj4@y...] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 1:32 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: personal tastes and preferences > I went through a period where, beginning with around > the time of Melrose, > etc., I kind of fell off the TD planet. I did not > like most of the new > material from that time forward. You make a lot of good points. It should not be overlooked that some folks, like me, got interested in TD through Melrose/post-Melrose music, and it brought me into checking out their earlier work. I remember hearing 'Phaedra' when it first came out, but it didn't click with me at the time like it did years later when I listened to the CD a couple of times and gave it a proper hearing. With a lot of respect toward the longtime fans of TD, some of us are still discovering their work. I try to make up my own opinions about their work, and sometimes it is difficult to give a previously unheard piece an objective hearing if a majority of folks in this group slam it. Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: ampmusic Date: Mon Jul 9, 2001 10:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD sales figure No joke. Joe Shoults wrote: > You're joking, right? What do you mean? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ampmusic [mailto:tadream@a...] > ... > > It wasn't acriminious until Edgar stole the cash and buggered off :-) > ... > > glynn_naughton@h... wrote: > ... > > > If I remember rightly, I seem to remember reading in Voyager once > > > that there was a record company called AMP who had a short and > > > somewhat acrimonious relationship with TD. So presumably this is > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27614 Re: TD sales figure glynn_naughton@h... Tue 7/10/2001 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 1:12 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TD sales figures From: John Marchington [mailto:johnm@p...] >Overall, I bet Virgin did well enough out of TD sales over time. Otherwise, >why would they have gone to the trouble of remastering everything? -- >or -- ahem -- did they know that the likes of me would go ahead and buy them >all again in the hope that maybe the sound would be a bit better the second >time >around .... (weren't all those spelling misteaks terrible!!) Was this supposed to be irony? - jim From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 3:15 am Subject: Vic Rek Hello Vic, When you have time, would you please contact me off list. I thought I had your e-mail address....but apparently not. Thanks Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Andrew McKeich Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 6:47 am Subject: Musical genres >Any label wanting to make a 'fast buck' would choose classical, or jazz, or >country & western, or fuc***g surf music over electronic music any day I've been lurking on this list for some time but I can't let that piece of nonsense pass unanswered. I'm presuming I am the only list member who owns and runs his own classical label and I can assure everyone that survival in the business of making classical recordings is a daily struggle. Like most other people in the classical industry I do it for love. I could make more money as a pizza delivery boy. And also, don't make the mistake of thinking that the majors necessarily make money from classical music. Most use the genre as a means of gaining credibility in the wider market. I have worked as an executive for three multinational record companies and I can assure this list there is very little support for classical recording from within these operations. It is just not profitable given their very high overheads. The same applies to jazz but please don't lump classical and jazz music with country and western which is the most popular musical genre in the English speaking world. There you can probably make a 'fast buck' but you would still have to be good at what you do. Not much in the record industry is that easy anymore. I'm not implying that running an electronic music label would be any easier but it is not something I'm qualified to comment or offer an opinion on. I think we can safely assume though that Virgin were intending to sell considerable quantities of their remastered TD catalogue otherwise they would not have gone through the exercise. They are not in it for love. For those who are interested in high quality classical recordings here is our web site http://artworksmusic.com From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 8:34 am Subject: Re: TD sales figure --- In tadream@y..., ampmusic wrote: > No joke. > > > Joe Shoults wrote: > > > You're joking, right? What do you mean? > > I appreciate brevity, but c'mon, spill the beans, let's hear the full story. Enquiring minds need to know! Glynn From: wyslannik@y... Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 8:51 am Subject: Re: 1976 Concert & Warsaw 2001 Question Hi, [...] > Also, I just read on the Polish TD list that a Polish newspaper > announced that the 'The Most > Beautiful Rock for Peace' show will be featuring Tangerine Dream on the > last day of August?!? Probably this is erroneus information, but I really want to know the journalist, who made this error. > Is this an error or will TD be playing into September 1st? Official information is that TD will play 1st September, and _that_ day is important day for Polish history, not 31th August. Regards Jakub [http://www.polaris.z.pl] [ http://www.tsom.z.pl ] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27617 Re: Warsaw 2001 TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Tue 7/10/2001 3 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 9:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD sales figures Partly. 'misteaks' was intentional. I DID go ahead and buy all the remastered CDs. However for a so-called 'definitive edition' I thought the quality control was less than first rate and I recall that a number of others on the list thought so too when the matter was discussed. There were numerous comments about spelling mistakes etc. I find that the remastered sound is, perhaps, marginally better on some of the albums but the originals are still pretty good. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jim Moore' To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] TD sales figures > From: John Marchington [mailto:johnm@p...] > >Overall, I bet Virgin did well enough out of TD sales over time. Otherwise, > >why would they have gone to the trouble of remastering everything? -- > >or -- ahem -- did they know that the likes of me would go ahead and buy > them > >all again in the hope that maybe the sound would be a bit better the second > >time > >around .... (weren't all those spelling misteaks terrible!!) > > Was this supposed to be irony? > > - jim > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 10:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Warsaw 2001 At 08:51 10.07.01 , you wrote: >Hi, > >[...] >> Also, I just read on the Polish TD list that a Polish newspaper >> announced that the 'The Most >> Beautiful Rock for Peace' show will be featuring Tangerine Dream on >the >> last day of August?!? > >Probably this is erroneus information, but I really want to know the >journalist, who made this error. > >> Is this an error or will TD be playing into September 1st? > >Official information is that TD will play 1st September, and _that_ >day is important day for Polish history, not 31th August. > >Regards >Jakub > >[http://www.polaris.z.pl] >[ http://www.tsom.z.pl ] Hello List, before this leads to any more confusion, I can confirm that the date for the concert in Warsaw was indeed moved to August 31st, meaning that the concert will move into the historical date of September 1st. The reason was that otherwise, the TD gig would have been happening simultaneously to another big event. So, you people can be the first to update your calendars. We will update the info on the official sites in a few days. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: <www.tdi-music-mall.de> Have a nice day! From: ampmusic Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 11:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] fast bucks :-) Well, someone else introduced the term 'fast buck' into the discussion, and nobody's suggesting that it's easy to make money with a small classical label either. But there are certainly more well-recognised promotional outlets for classical than for electronic music, which certainly has the smallest promotional/fan base of any of the genres mentioned. The constant irony is that tens of thousands of people turn out at major shows to see Jarre or Mike Oldfield or Vangelis (OK, he's not very electronic any more) but this doesn't translate into any decent level of support for other artists who (on a good day) can sound superficially similar :-) Actually the terms 'classical, or jazz, or country & western' WERE meant to represent some kind of rising scale of potential profitability as you imply, whereas I apologise to all Beach Boys fans for the grumpy reference to surf music :-) The late Tim Souster did a very nice electronic piece based on Beach Boys songs and spoken voice samples... Andrew McKeich wrote: > >Any label wanting to make a 'fast buck' would choose classical, or jazz, or > >country & western, or fuc***g surf music over electronic music any day > > I've been lurking on this list for some time but I can't let that piece of > nonsense pass unanswered. I'm presuming I am the only list member who owns > and runs his own classical label and I can assure everyone that survival in > the business of making classical recordings is a daily struggle. Like most > other people in the classical industry I do it for love. I could make more > money as a pizza delivery boy. > > And also, don't make the mistake of thinking that the majors necessarily > make money from classical music. Most use the genre as a means of gaining > credibility in the wider market. I have worked as an executive for three > multinational record companies and I can assure this list there is very > little support for classical recording from within these operations. It is > just not profitable given their very high overheads. > > The same applies to jazz but please don't lump classical and jazz music > with country and western which is the most popular musical genre in the > English speaking world. There you can probably make a 'fast buck' but you > would still have to be good at what you do. Not much in the record industry > is that easy anymore. > > I'm not implying that running an electronic music label would be any easier > but it is not something I'm qualified to comment or offer an opinion on. I > think we can safely assume though that Virgin were intending to sell > considerable quantities of their remastered TD catalogue otherwise they > would not have gone through the exercise. They are not in it for love. > > For those who are interested in high quality classical recordings here is > our web site http://artworksmusic.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: vic rek Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 12:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Warsaw 2001 So will the concert still be on the Swietokrzyski bridge on August 31st? What time will the concert start if it will last into Septemeber 1st? Vic TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak wrote: > Hello List, > > before this leads to any more confusion, I can confirm that the date for > the concert in Warsaw was indeed moved to August 31st, meaning that the > concert will move into the historical date of September 1st. The reason was > that otherwise, the TD gig would have been happening simultaneously to > another big event. > > So, you people can be the first to update your calendars. We will update > the info on the official sites in a few days. > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 From: Frank D Stephen III Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 12:43 pm Subject: TD Items for sale I have some TD soundtracks for sale. They are on Maxell tape, originally taped from CD. I am only looking to recoup the price of the blank tapes and postage. Anybody interested please e-mail me off list for the titles. Frank Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27630 Global Communication CD Wanted Deb H-J Tue 7/10/2001 2 KB 27647 Re: Global Communication CD Wanted Francisco Salgado C Wed 7/11/2001 3 KB 27651 Re: Global Communication CD Wanted Deb H-J Thu 7/12/2001 2 KB 27662 Re: Global Communication CD Wanted Matthew Stringer Fri 7/13/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 4:24 pm Subject: TDI Homepage update Some preliminary U.S. Tour info: it'll start in October, and play in smaller 'club' venues. Only 10 cities named so far, but more to be added in the next couple of weeks. The 'Twilight Folder' and 'Starship Trooper' albums have just been mysteriously deleted from the release schedule, meaning that for the first time since it's inception, TDI has no future releases on the horizon. But they do promise 'more infos soon!!!' An hey - there's another nifty booster package to suck your money: DM3, a DM3 T-shirt and a DM3 postcard...all for only $50 US! Come on, you know you want it. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27623 Re: TDI Homepage update Jim Moore Tue 7/10/2001 2 KB 27624 Re: TDI Homepage update Owens, James Tue 7/10/2001 2 KB 27634 Re: TDI Homepage update Jim Moore Wed 7/11/2001 2 KB 27625 Re: TDI Homepage update Joe Shoults Tue 7/10/2001 2 KB 27626 Re: TDI Homepage update Owens, James Tue 7/10/2001 2 KB 27631 TD US Tour PENFOLD Tue 7/10/2001 2 KB 27627 Re: TDI Homepage update Joe Shoults Tue 7/10/2001 2 KB 27633 Re: TDI Homepage update Jim Moore Wed 7/11/2001 2 KB 27629 Re: TDI Homepage update E Neal Frost Tue 7/10/2001 3 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] USA concert locations? - U.S.A. TOUR UPDATE!! 'Tangerine Dream' will tour the USA between October 13th and November 15th, 2001. Not all dates are confirmed at this point in time. We expect to be able to provide you with a complete schedule of confirmed concerts in the next couple of weeks. At the current stage of planning the tour will include the following stops: Seattle, WA; Portland, OR; Anaheim, CA; Los Angeles, CA; Atlanta, GA; New York City; Philadelphia, PA; Pittsburgh, PA; Detroit, MI; Denver, CO;......and many more to come.....please note that this will be a more club oriented tour with smaller venues as usual (capacaties will go from 700 - 1800 people). Also Star Trouper and Twilight Folder have been deleted... Hmmm -----Original Message----- From: 'Andrei Stcherbatchenko' Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:09:59 -0000 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] USA concert locations? > Hi, > > Anyone has any idea about US 2001 concert locations? This is my first > opportunity to attend live TD show (I recently moved from overseas > where TD never toured...) > > Andrei > ~~~ > http://www.firetongue.com - software for music collectors > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://webmail.earthlink.net From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 5:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Homepage update Atlanta's on the list! Woohoo! - jim ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Sean Montgomery' To: 'Tangerine Dream Mailing List' Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: [tadream] TDI Homepage update > Some preliminary U.S. Tour info: it'll start in October, and play in > smaller 'club' venues. Only 10 cities named so far, but more to be > added in the next couple of weeks. From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 6:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI Homepage update Amen to that! Party before hand, Jim? Vic? > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Moore [mailto:moxica@m...] > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 12:18 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Homepage update > > > Atlanta's on the list! Woohoo! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27634 Re: TDI Homepage update Jim Moore Wed 7/11/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 6:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI Homepage update bah! no Cleveland! move the Pittsburgh or Detroit date to Cleveland! (after 9 years, I'll still drive to see them, but it would be nicer in Cleve. They could maybe even play at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame if they're looking for smaller venues) Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:21 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI Homepage update > > > Amen to that! Party before hand, Jim? Vic? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Moore [mailto:moxica@m...] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 12:18 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Homepage update > > > > > > Atlanta's on the list! Woohoo! > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 6:38 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI Homepage update Joe, you're welcome to come stay with us. We can head over to Atlanta for the concert. (Still a drive, but you'd be driving with friends...) James > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 1:42 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI Homepage update > > > bah! no Cleveland! move the Pittsburgh or Detroit date to Cleveland! > > (after 9 years, I'll still drive to see them, but it would be nicer in > Cleve. They could maybe even play at the Rock and Roll Hall > of Fame if > they're looking for smaller venues) > > Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27631 TD US Tour PENFOLD Tue 7/10/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 9:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI Homepage update If I'm in that part of the country, I'll take you up on that! But I'll probably be in Cleve, and a 2-hour drive to PGH or 3-hour to that hell-hole called Detroit is a leetle shorter than 15 hours to ATL! I'm not regarding these preliminary US tour destinations as being set in stone. (haha- how silly of me!) I'm hoping they will change, but at that least one date will remain within a 4-hour driving distance from me... I wonder what criteria they are using to target cities? Record (CD) sales? Availability of radio stations that might play TD? Will they advertise on radio? (that's how I found out at the last minute about the show in Cleveland in 1986) > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Joe, you're welcome to come stay with us. We can head over > to Atlanta for > the concert. (Still a drive, but you'd be driving with friends...) > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > > bah! no Cleveland! move the Pittsburgh or Detroit date to > Cleveland! > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27633 Re: TDI Homepage update Jim Moore Wed 7/11/2001 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Jul 9, 2001 11:05 pm Subject: some radio Hello folks, there hasn't been so many tadream messages, so I wanted to give you some (hopefully) nice news. I hate ads, but I just wanted to let you know that i've created a radio show. I'm showing mostly instrumental music, including TD, Schulze, Jarre, Oldfield, Kraftwerk, Vangelis, Philip Glass, 'classical music' and any other interesting music I can find. The program is also presented by myself on microphone, but that's not interesting. :) The most probable time I'll have it going is frmo around 2-3 AM GMT till around 5-6 AM GMT, Sunday early mornings (or late Saturday nights), but this isn't 100% certain. It may not happen for any reason, and it can also happen in Saturday, around the same time. You can hear it using winamp, windows media player or realplayer. In winamp, you have to 'open location' (ctrl+L). This is the address of the radio: http://64.152.82.73:16108 . If anyone is interested, I can send you private messages when the show begins, or some time before, if I'm sure about the time it'll begin. You can also contact me by ICQ. I will welcome suggestions, but not always be able to show what's suggested. There's never a premade playlist, but I also think about what I can show. Anyway, sorry for the ad, kind regards GJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27643 Re: some radio Joe Shoults Wed 7/11/2001 2 KB 27658 Re: some radio Gustavo Jobim Thu 7/12/2001 2 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 11:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Homepage update Hello All, To those list members in the Atlanta, GA area. I would very much like to meet you when I fly in for the TD concert. Anyone wanting to schedule our own pre-concert get-together, please include me in the plans. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Sean Montgomery' To: 'Tangerine Dream Mailing List' Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: [tadream] TDI Homepage update > Some preliminary U.S. Tour info: it'll start in October, and play in > smaller 'club' venues. Only 10 cities named so far, but more to be > added in the next couple of weeks. > > The 'Twilight Folder' and 'Starship Trooper' albums have just been > mysteriously deleted from the release schedule, meaning that for the > first time since it's inception, TDI has no future releases on the > horizon. But they do promise 'more infos soon!!!' > > An hey - there's another nifty booster package to suck your money: DM3, > a DM3 T-shirt and a DM3 postcard...all for only $50 US! Come on, you > know you want it. > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Deb H-J Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 11:36 pm Subject: Global Communication CD Wanted Folks: I am looking for an out of print CD called 'Pentamerous Metamorphosis' by a British twosome under the name of Global Communication. I've not had any luck finding one online, and I absolutely love their sound. Adios, Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27647 Re: Global Communication CD Wanted Francisco Salgado C Wed 7/11/2001 3 KB 27651 Re: Global Communication CD Wanted Deb H-J Thu 7/12/2001 2 KB 27662 Re: Global Communication CD Wanted Matthew Stringer Fri 7/13/2001 2 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 11:41 pm Subject: TD US Tour I'd relish the opportunity for a get-together of us TD listizens during the Los Angeles leg of the tour perhaps they'll be playing at the Wiltern again? Pete aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 11:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD US Tour count me in on the LA tour. know where yet or who is selling tickets? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PENFOLD' To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 4:41 PM Subject: [tadream] TD US Tour > I'd relish the opportunity for a get-together of us TD listizens > during the Los Angeles leg of the tour > > perhaps they'll be playing at the Wiltern again? > > > Pete > aka > DJ Dreamhead > mailto:penfold@a... > > Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have > the money.....Damn!!!!! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 1:14 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI Homepage update From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] >I wonder what criteria they are using to target cities? >Availability of radio stations that might play TD? *snicker* Atlanta radio? I had to laugh at that one... - jim From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 1:14 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI Homepage update From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] >Amen to that! Party before hand, Jim? Vic? If they pick the Masquerade or Variety Playhouse as their venue, we can party *at* the concert... - jim From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 3:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] USA concert locations? Well, now it's been announced. Hopefully since they're stopping in LA and Colorado, they'll be stopping in Arizona inbetween! October-November is a great time of year to have an outdoor concert in the Phoenix area. The monsoon rains have subsided, the heat has gone away and it doesn't get really cold at night. I thought the show at the Scottsdale Amphitheater back in Oct. '92 was great! The perfect weather conditions made for an excellent concert experience. Laying back on the grassy slope, under the clear starry sky with a perfect temperature and light breeze while Edgar and Co. did the voodoo they do up on the stage about 20 feet away. Puleeeeze come to Phoenix! I know that it's not a hotbed for EM, but hey, neither is Atlanta! ;-) Speaking of Phoenix not being an EM hotbed... The Phoenix area is about the only place in Arizona that the Music from the Hearts of Space radio program is NOT broadcast in. Kinda sick, eh? Dave B. np - Richard Burmer - On the Third Extreme (MP3) From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 3:36 am Subject: Re (x2): TD US Tour Hehehe... Plan to make as many of the West Coast TD venues as I possibly can... I've got my ~Marspolaris~ T-shirt all primed, pressed and primo! ~lol~ Bring it *ON* Tangerine Dream!!! :-))) Best Always, -- Al (Berkeley, CA / USA) PS: The Warfield, Wiltern Theater, Coach House, Ventura Theater, and (of course) the Berkeley Community Theater. Martin are you listening? Three words: Venues & Dates! NP: 'Parallel Dreams' Volume One (1968 - 1988) *Any* one of the twelve disc will do! ;-) ****************************************** Peter wrote: > I'd relish the opportunity for a get-together > of us TD listizens during the Los Angeles leg > of the tour > perhaps they'll be playing at the Wiltern again? > Pete > aka > DJ Dreamhead<< > Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, > held it in my hands, didn't have the money..... > Damn!!!!! ~ROFL~ Pete -- I use another *word* for that... ;-) and Kay chipped in with: > count me in on the LA tour. > know where yet or who is selling tickets? > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com<< NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27638 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Synthhtnys@a... Wed 7/11/2001 2 KB 27639 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour mengels@w... Wed 7/11/2001 3 KB 27641 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Michael A Jean Wed 7/11/2001 3 KB 27648 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Marcel Engels Wed 7/11/2001 2 KB 27838 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Michael A Jean Sat 7/21/2001 3 KB 27845 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Marcel Engels Sat 7/21/2001 4 KB 27644 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Joe Shoults Wed 7/11/2001 2 KB 27650 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Matthew Sawyer Wed 7/11/2001 2 KB 27652 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Dave Brewer Thu 7/12/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 8:13 am Subject: Dweller at the Threshold and Robert Carty Live in Portland Oregon Now available for purchase online & with payment by credit card.... tickets to the Dweller at the Threshold & Robert Carty live performance in Portland, Oregon on July 28, 2001 at 9 PM. The $13 admission charge is the same charge you'll pay if you walk up to the door on the night of the show (no service charge is assessed for ordering online), plus you guarantee yourself a seat in case the event sells out. The venue is The Old Church in downtown Portland, at SW 11th and Clay Street, near the PSU campus. It's the same location that hosted the Vidna Obmana/Steve Roach concert in November 2000, and all who attended that show agreed it was a very suitable venue for the performance of such music. The tickets may also be obtained directly from Paul Ellis of Dweller at the Threshold, who has taken most of the responsibility for organizing the show. Link to the Hypnos Online store: http://www.hypnos.com/Merchant/merchant.mv   H Y P N O S  Recordings   po box 6868 / portland, or 97228 / usa   fax/voice mail       :  503-213-6006   mgriffin@h...  |  http://www.hypnos.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 8:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour In a message dated 7/11/2001 1:14:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, albenson@n... writes: > Hehehe... > Plan to make as many of the West > Coast TD venues as I possibly can... > I've got my ~Marspolaris~ T-shirt > all primed, pressed and primo! *I'd be interested in meeting up with anyone planning to see the Portland Oregon TD show..... but first a little prayer.... Please God NO BONGOS!!!!!!!!!! anyway contact me if you plan on seeing this show and would like to have a pre-show pint. Poly Paul Ellis Hypnos/Binary Recordings PO Box 6868 / Portland, Or 97228 / Usa www.hypnos.com 'It is only a few years before we shall have entirely new methods of tone production by electrical means.... Thus will begin a new era in music.' Leopold Stokowski 1929 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27639 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour mengels@w... Wed 7/11/2001 3 KB 27641 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Michael A Jean Wed 7/11/2001 3 KB 27648 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Marcel Engels Wed 7/11/2001 2 KB 27838 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Michael A Jean Sat 7/21/2001 3 KB 27845 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Marcel Engels Sat 7/21/2001 4 KB From: Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 10:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour Now what if a concert date is the same as the date we are playing in Philadelphia? Everybody chooses TD of course instead of an improvised, space adventure in a cathedral. :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > *I'd be interested in meeting up with anyone planning to see the Portland > Oregon TD show..... but first a little prayer.... Please God NO > BONGOS!!!!!!!!!! > anyway contact me if you plan on seeing this show and would like to have a > pre-show pint. > > Poly > > Paul Ellis > Hypnos/Binary Recordings > PO Box 6868 / Portland, Or 97228 / Usa > www.hypnos.com > > 'It is only a few years before we shall have entirely new methods of tone > production > by electrical means.... Thus will begin a new era in music.' > Leopold Stokowski 1929 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27641 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Michael A Jean Wed 7/11/2001 3 KB 27648 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Marcel Engels Wed 7/11/2001 2 KB 27838 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Michael A Jean Sat 7/21/2001 3 KB 27845 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Marcel Engels Sat 7/21/2001 4 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 10:43 am Subject: Klaus Schulze Live USA 1983 2CD Hi, as you all know, this bootleg 2CD (besides 'Floating' the only properly pressed KS bootleg available) is actually from the European Tour 1983. Has anybody compared tapes and found out which concert it has been taken from ? best regards, klaus From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour Marcel, Do you have a date for your show yet? I will try to make it since i only live about 2 hours away from Philly... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: mengels@w... [mailto:mengels@w...] > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 6:05 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour > > > > Now what if a concert date is the same as the date > we are playing in Philadelphia? > Everybody chooses TD of course instead of an improvised, > space adventure in a cathedral. :-) > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > *I'd be interested in meeting up with anyone planning to see > the Portland > > Oregon TD show..... but first a little prayer.... Please God NO > > BONGOS!!!!!!!!!! > > anyway contact me if you plan on seeing this show and would > like to have a > > pre-show pint. > > > > Poly > > > > Paul Ellis > > Hypnos/Binary Recordings > > PO Box 6868 / Portland, Or 97228 / Usa > > www.hypnos.com > > > > 'It is only a few years before we shall have entirely new > methods of tone > > production > > by electrical means.... Thus will begin a new era in music.' > > Leopold Stokowski 1929 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27648 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Marcel Engels Wed 7/11/2001 2 KB 27838 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Michael A Jean Sat 7/21/2001 3 KB 27845 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Marcel Engels Sat 7/21/2001 4 KB From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Tue Jul 10, 2001 9:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD sales figure Didn't they like it? I certainly didn't. T. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:21 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: TD sales figure > If I remember rightly, I seem to remember reading in Voyager once > that there was a record company called AMP who had a short and > somewhat acrimonious relationship with TD. So presumably this is > coming from the horse's mouth. > > I think the CD in question was _Tyranny of Beauty_. If it was, I > think 655 is a very respectable figure ;-) > > Glynn From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 1:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] some radio Don't worry about this being an 'ad', Gustavo. Please feel free to post any notices about your webcast here as necessary. In fact, please do! and you didn't include your ICQ number. Joe ICQ 12384259 > -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavfj@m...] ... > I hate ads, but I just wanted to let you know that i've > created a radio show. ... > Anyway, sorry for the ad, . From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 1:35 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour I'll join you in prayer. from what I hear about the London show, the bongos were overpowering. > -----Original Message----- > From: Synthhtnys@a... [ > Oregon TD show..... but first a little prayer.... Please God NO > BONGOS!!!!!!!!!! > From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 1:39 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI Homepage update yeah, I know. ;-) There's a station here that plays the syrupy jazz stuff. I haven't listened to it in ages, so I don't know if they still play TD, but they used to about once a month or so. Marcel, could you post your concert dates? I'm not near Philly, but I have a couple of friends there I'll recommend go to your show. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Moore [mailto:moxica@m...] > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 9:15 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI Homepage update > > > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > > >I wonder what criteria they are using to target cities? > >Availability of radio stations that might play TD? > > *snicker* Atlanta radio? I had to laugh at that one... > From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 2:10 pm Subject: west coast US tour dates >PS: The Warfield, Wiltern Theater, Coach House, Ventura Theater, and (of course) the Berkeley Community Theater. Martin are you listening? thanks for arranging the Cali tour, Alan. :) I'll add the 'Sun Theatre' since Anaheim has been mentioned as a target city. Beautiful new venue--no hassle parking, no hassle seating and the venue even pipes the sound from the show into the open air bar area outfront (i.e. the smoking/claustrophobes section) --t _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Francisco Salgado C' Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 6:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Global Communication CD Wanted Everything by tem are fabulous. A pity they split after about 4 CD's FSC PS: I'd look for e-bay auctions. > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Deb H-J [mailto:dhj4@y...] > Enviado el: miércoles 11 de julio de 2001 1:36 > Para: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Asunto: [tadream] Global Communication CD Wanted > > > Folks: > > I am looking for an out of print CD called > 'Pentamerous Metamorphosis' by a British twosome under > the name of Global Communication. I've not had any > luck finding one online, and I absolutely love their > sound. > > Adios, > > Deb H-J > dhj4@y... > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27651 Re: Global Communication CD Wanted Deb H-J Thu 7/12/2001 2 KB 27662 Re: Global Communication CD Wanted Matthew Stringer Fri 7/13/2001 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 7:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour Hi Michael, yes, it's at October 13th. You can check: http://www.thegatherings.org or my page for info. Sorry for non-td content... Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > > Marcel, > > Do you have a date for your show yet? I will try to make it since i only > live about 2 hours away from Philly... > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27838 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Michael A Jean Sat 7/21/2001 3 KB 27845 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Marcel Engels Sat 7/21/2001 4 KB From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 9:57 pm Subject: Re: west coast US tour dates Tei wez kindly wrote: >> PS: The Warfield, Wiltern Theater, Coach House, >> Ventura Theater, and (of course) the Berkeley >> Community Theater. Martin are you listening? > > thanks for arranging the Cali tour, Alan. :) I'll add the > 'Sun Theatre' since Anaheim has been mentioned as > a target city. Beautiful new venue--no hassle parking, > no hassle seating and the venue even pipes the sound > from the show into the open air bar area outfront (i.e. > the smoking/claustrophobes section) > > --t __________________________________________ Hehehe... And, I'd better add *one* more as remote as it is before Goozer writes again to remind me. ;-) The Mill Valley Film Festival (11/15/86). And, of course these four (TD played the last three only once): 1) Santa Monica // Civic Auditorium (04/26/77) and (11/22/80). 2) Greek Theater // Los Angeles (07/12/77). 3) California Theater // San Diego (09/21/88). 4) SIR Theater // Hollywood (07/12/95). BTW: I added the Coach House (San Juan Capistrano) in my original postscript as they last played there during the 'Rockoon TD tour' back in 1992. That should ~lol~ hopefully cover it... :-) Best Always, -- Al SP: 'Parallel Dreams' Volume One (1968 - 1978) *Any* one of the twelve discs will do! ;-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Jul 11, 2001 10:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour From: 'Joe Shoults' > I'll join you in prayer. from what I hear about the London > show, the bongos were overpowering. You'd think bongos would improve the sound of 70's electronic music, but surprisingly... ;-) They were very overpowering, as was the rather lovely lass playing them, which sort of made up for it. Maff ________________________ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ From: Deb H-J Date: Thu Jul 12, 2001 12:50 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Global Communication CD Wanted Francisco: Since they last updated their website in 1997, I assumed they had quit producing albums for some reason after that. I'm checking E-bay, and will see what comes up. By the way, their website is located at: http://www.ulp.co.uk/me/me.html Nothing fancy, but it is a bit of fun to see what they look like. Deb H-J dhj4@y... --- Francisco Salgado C wrote: > Everything by tem are fabulous. A pity they split > after about 4 CD's > FSC > PS: I'd look for e-bay auctions. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Thu Jul 12, 2001 4:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour Marcel Said: >Now what if a concert date is the same as the date >we are playing in Philadelphia? >Everybody chooses TD of course instead of an improvised, >space adventure in a cathedral. :-) You know, I'm still seriously considering going to PA for your show. I don't think it would clash with seeing TD, especially since they aren't even listing any Arizona stops yet! And besides, I think I'd enjoy your show more, since I actually personally know you more than I do the Tangs. And of course the improv music is just a little bonus! ;-) Dave B. From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Jul 12, 2001 10:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Edgar listening to our opinions ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 09 July 2001 12:00 Subject: [tadream] Re: Edgar listening to our opinions > I always find it ironic, too, that the 'I must be true to my inner > vision' line is heard more and more the further down the artistic > food chain you get. Pop groups who know only 3 chords are far more > precious about their 'art' than Beethoven or Mozart ever were. My > advice to these people is to loosen up, stop being such arses and > stop taking themselves so seriously. After all, what was good enough > for Shakespeare and Mozart is more than good enough for the likes of > them. You raise some very good points here. But neither Shakespeare nor Mozart were in the business of selling CDs. My impression is that Edgar's primary grudge, as well as the deciding factor in TD's search for musical direction from ca. 1986 to 1998, were not the audience but the record companies. The sad fact is that TD are probably never going to hit the Top 40 again. Even if they did release the most populist piece of work they've ever produced, it still wouldn't attract any buyers beyond a reasonably stable fan base (some of which may be pissed off at the moment, but may continue to buy the occasional album anyway). Therefore, popularity would still not guarantee economic success for them. As a result, until the formation of TDI, the band were at the mercy of the deals record companies were willing to offer. They, and not the listening public, were the major patrons of TD's work, much like the rich and powerful whom Shakespeare's work was geared towards. The group's odyssey of publishers in the late eighties and early nineties shows how frustrating it must have been for them to work with the demands and expectations of the companies, and how draining it was on musical creativity. Maybe, with the advent of their own company, TD are in a position now to deal with the fan base more directly than they previously could. The release of 'classic' concerts like Soundmill Navigator would seem to be a step in that direction. Whether their new studio work is going to take more notice of fan taste is a different question, and personally, I don't think it necessarily will. But then, something like 'Mars Polaris', explicitly advertised as 'space music' is something I couldn't have envisaged happening ten years ago... Dennis From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Jul 12, 2001 10:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: personal tastes and preferences ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 07 July 2001 06:07 Subject: [tadream] Re: personal tastes and preferences > I think that in relationship to a lot of the trance/dance music that's out > there, the current TD stuff stands up very well. Perhaps there WAS a gray > time during which the new lineup needed to explore and figure out a way to > meld their different approaches and things hadn't quite gelled, but I think > they've gelled now. I think they've succeeded quite well for what they > currently seem to be going after. My problem is that, considering the band's recent prolific output, this last point of 'what they currently seem to be going after' is hard to make out. I agree that _something_ seems to be coming together recently that we haven't had from TD in a while. To describe what it is is much more difficult. A lot would seem to suggest that they're gently edging towards the dance style, but other recent works (e.g. Mars Polaris or the Seven Letters) don't really confirm this. Maybe after the initial flurry of activity in releasing back-catalogue items and one-offs, we'll be able to tell where TD are going stylistically. Dennis From: vic rek Date: Thu Jul 12, 2001 12:29 pm Subject: Our LONG LASTING trade + IRIS Hi Rainer, How's my order coming along?????? Please give me the status since this has been going on forever. Also, can you e-mail any photos you have of 'Iris the BONGO player'?? Thank you, Vic Rainer Rutka wrote: > Hi! > > Got this email from Mario today. > This is what I call GOOD NEWS! > > Rainer > > Pictures form Klaus' Concert: www.rutka.de/td -> NEWS > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > You could call it 'Faster than the speed of light': Around the 16th > July 2001, Manikin Records´ sublabel Rainhorse will release two > exciting CDs, containing the complete recordings of the Osnabrück > concert (from June, the 9th 2001), performed by Klaus Schulze and > Wolfgang Tiepold (cello) in front of an enthusiastic audience. This > concert was part of the KlangArt-Festival. The voluminous CD-booklets > will contain extensive photo-coverage from this concert. > One individual CD will cost 35,00 DM + postage/packing (Germany: 3,00 > DM; Europe: 8,00 DM; other foreign countries: 16,00 DM). If you act > fast and order (and pay for) both CDs, before July, the 9th 2001 at > Manikin Records, you´ll get this 2-CD-set for only 60,00 DM + > postage/packing (Germany: 5,00 DM; Europe: 8,00 DM; other foreign > countries: 16,00 DM). As a special-bonus, the first 222 costumers, > will get their CD-sets with exclusive signed and numbered booklets! > --- > Please send all order E-Mails to order@m... > --- > Kind Regards/Beste Grüße > Mario Schönwälder > Manikin Records > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: vic rek Date: Thu Jul 12, 2001 12:31 pm Subject: Sorry Sorry for the last post to Rainer (it was to be off-list). I tried to click the cancel button as I saw the message leaving my PC.... :-| From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Jul 12, 2001 1:47 pm Subject: re: Subject: Re: west coast US tour dates From: 'Alan Benson' Subject: Re: west coast US tour dates >Hehehe... And, I'd better add *one* more as remote as it is before Goozer writes again to remind me. ;-) The Mill Valley Film Festival (11/15/86).< Which was at the Warfield Theatre in S.F.--I know I was there! Damn fine gratis chocolates and champagne, too. With 2 members of Spinal Tap hosting the evening. --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Jul 12, 2001 8:57 pm Subject: Re: RE: some radio Ah, thanks for the incentive, Joe! Ah yes, my ICQ number is 5727909. I couldn't have the radio going last weekend, but I shall show some musics next weekend. I'll let the list know then. kind regards GJ > From: Joe Shoults > Subject: RE: some radio > > Don't worry about this being an 'ad', Gustavo. Please feel free to post any > notices about your webcast here as necessary. In fact, please do! > > and you didn't include your ICQ number. > > Joe > ICQ 12384259 From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Thu Jul 12, 2001 7:11 pm Subject: Re (x2): west coast US tour dates Ol' Al chirped in with: >> Hehehe... >> And, I'd better add *one* more as remote as it >> is before Goozer writes again to remind me. ;-) >> >> The Mill Valley Film Festival (11/15/86).< And teiwaz replied (again!) with: > Which was at the Warfield Theatre in S.F.--I know I was > there! Damn fine gratis chocolates and champagne, too. > With 2 members of Spinal Tap hosting the evening. > > --teiwaz __________________________________________ Tell us more... Tell *us* more... TELL ***US*** MORE!!! ;-) Best Always, -- Al (Berkeley, CA / USA) PS: ***TDI Guestbook News Flash*** This just in: Concert Info wrote: 'A quick check of Ticketmaster shows the first announced concert: Fri, Nov. 9 at the Ventura Theatre in Ventura, CA.' I'm booking my plane, ticket(s), and the hotel reservations (any TD diehards in Ventura? :-) just as soon as I can! ;-) BTW (it's verified!) the URL link is: http://www.ticketmaster.com/cgi/artist1.idc?actname=TANGERINE_DREAM&MajorCATID=1\ 0001&MinorCATID=60 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: vic rek Date: Thu Jul 12, 2001 11:02 pm Subject: Above Purple Fears Can anyone supply me with a new copy of 'Above Purple Fears' CD-R? My copy doesn't play anymore. In exchange I can send you 2 TD CD-Rs with no jewel case (to save on postage). Thanks, Vic From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Jul 13, 2001 1:18 am Subject: OT: XM tracker Hello everyone, does anyone know a good module tracker for windows that has at least the same functions as fast tracker 2, and makes XM modules? I got modplug tracker, but some things were easier to do in fasttracker... and the scrolling when playing the module was really weird. I could live with FT2 (i've been living with it for 1 and a half year), the only problem is the sound quality, which is worse than the actual quality of the samples used in the module being edited. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27663 Re: OT: XM tracker Lauri Turjansalo Fri 7/13/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri Jul 13, 2001 8:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Global Communication CD Wanted I am looking for an out of print CD called > > 'Pentamerous Metamorphosis' by a British twosome under > > the name of Global Communication. I've not had any > > luck finding one online, and I absolutely love their > > sound. I've got 2 albums and 2 EP's by these guys, very cool outfit. Let me know if you find this one as I never have. Matt From: 'Lauri Turjansalo' Date: Fri Jul 13, 2001 9:16 am Subject: Re: OT: XM tracker Hi Gustavo, > does anyone know a good module tracker for windows that has at least the > same functions as fast tracker 2, and makes XM modules? I got modplug > tracker, but some things were easier to do in fasttracker... and the > scrolling when playing the module was really weird. > > I could live with FT2 (i've been living with it for 1 and a half year), the > only problem is the sound quality, which is worse than the actual quality > of the samples used in the module being edited. Try Madtracker 2, it's very similar to Ft2, even the shortcut keys are same. I have heard that there will be Madtracker 3 soon. Don't remember the URL but try www.maz-sound.de cheers! // Lauri -- cirdan/pds cirdan@c... pdreams.cjb.net From: 'Michael' Date: Thu Jul 12, 2001 10:55 pm Subject: Music From The Soldier Hi all. I have tracked down almost all the pieces I have wanted from the movie 'The Soldier' with Ken Wahl except the one I really want. It is a harpsicord-sounding piece from the scene showing the fight in the Israeli Embassy. Would anyone know where I could find this piece, or does anyone have it? Thanks a lot! From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Fri Jul 13, 2001 7:48 am Subject: Newbie+90's TD Hi everyone! I'm a newcomer to the list. As I'm currently getting pretty bored in my job assignement, I started lurking around on that list and found out there were some interesting issues debated. Yet, I don't know if I'll stay just for a while or longer as I don't want to empty my mailbow twice a day. Well, we'll see. So let's start with a little contribution here. Of course, it's all about the 90's stuff! I realized recently that although I had a critical eye on TD's 'newer stuff', I would almost only listen to it and not to the virgin era material. I'm currently trying to distance myself a little bit from TD's influence so let's analyze this. 1) Crappy tracks didn't start in the 90's. There are parts in almost every virgin album that actually really suck. But they are parts of lengthy tracks and not whole tracks. 2) Almost from the begining, TD chosed to be a technology driven band. In that sense, I don't think they ever were avant-guarde or ahead of their time, but were simply living with their time in a technology driven world (and I won't comment on this). 3) So what's the point? Well, everyone knows that synths in the late 80's and in the early 90's were strange soulless metal black boxes that would barely feel like music instruments. The problem seems that Edgar don't show much interest in music technology nowdays. What about a korg trinity, a clavia nordlead, whatever new machine made in the mid 90's? 4) The Froese Family Band seems to work more like a collective than a real band. You can really spot on any album who made what : there are the Edgar tracks, the Jerome tracks and sometimes the Edgar+Jerome tracks. It seems that father and son's sometimes have hard time meeting their musical expectations... Ok, that's it for now. It was pretty long and I'm sorry for that. Man, I really have to find something to kill time! If anyone interested, I have a 'theory' saying that Edgar will end up TD's history by 2005/2006. PS : don't blame me for the language, I'm french. ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27666 Re: Newbie+90's TD PERGAMON Fri 7/13/2001 4 KB 27667 Re: Newbie+90's TD Joe Shoults Fri 7/13/2001 4 KB 27668 Re: Newbie+90's TD thomas.soucheleau@n... Fri 7/13/2001 3 KB 27670 Re: Newbie+90's TD Paul Lawler Fri 7/13/2001 2 KB 27674 Re: Newbie+90's TD ampmusic Fri 7/13/2001 7 KB 27677 Re: Newbie+90's TD Marcel Engels Fri 7/13/2001 3 KB 27675 Re: Newbie+90's TD Joe Shoults Fri 7/13/2001 2 KB 27676 Re: Newbie+90's TD ampmusic Fri 7/13/2001 3 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Jul 13, 2001 1:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newbie+90's TD Welcome to the list Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:48 AM Subject: [tadream] Newbie+90's TD Hi everyone! I'm a newcomer to the list. As I'm currently getting pretty bored in my job assignement, I started lurking around on that list and found out there were some interesting issues debated. Yet, I don't know if I'll stay just for a while or longer as I don't want to empty my mailbow twice a day. Well, we'll see. So let's start with a little contribution here. Of course, it's all about the 90's stuff! I realized recently that although I had a critical eye on TD's 'newer stuff', I would almost only listen to it and not to the virgin era material. I'm currently trying to distance myself a little bit from TD's influence so let's analyze this. 1) Crappy tracks didn't start in the 90's. There are parts in almost every virgin album that actually really suck. But they are parts of lengthy tracks and not whole tracks. 2) Almost from the begining, TD chosed to be a technology driven band. In that sense, I don't think they ever were avant-guarde or ahead of their time, but were simply living with their time in a technology driven world (and I won't comment on this). 3) So what's the point? Well, everyone knows that synths in the late 80's and in the early 90's were strange soulless metal black boxes that would barely feel like music instruments. The problem seems that Edgar don't show much interest in music technology nowdays. What about a korg trinity, a clavia nordlead, whatever new machine made in the mid 90's? 4) The Froese Family Band seems to work more like a collective than a real band. You can really spot on any album who made what : there are the Edgar tracks, the Jerome tracks and sometimes the Edgar+Jerome tracks. It seems that father and son's sometimes have hard time meeting their musical expectations... Ok, that's it for now. It was pretty long and I'm sorry for that. Man, I really have to find something to kill time! If anyone interested, I have a 'theory' saying that Edgar will end up TD's history by 2005/2006. PS : don't blame me for the language, I'm french. ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jul 13, 2001 2:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Newbie+90's TD Welcome, Thomas! Some thoughts and questions: > -----Original Message----- > From: thomas.soucheleau@n... ... > 1) Crappy tracks didn't start in the 90's. There are parts in > almost every virgin album that actually really suck. But they > are parts of lengthy tracks and not whole tracks. Like, for me, the entire Force Majeure album is perfect, except for Track 1 at 15:55 thru 17:45. That part makes me cringe; I edited it out of my backup. Also, almost all of Logos is great, but 'Dominion' on that album stinks so bad, IMO, I'm embarrased to play it for friends. And I'll probably get lynched for this, but Silver Scale is wonderful until that 4-note staccato theme appears (bam-bam...bambam!). I envision a cheesy disco dancer in a leisure suit (think of the John Travolta-spoofing dance scene in the movie Airplane!), pointing to the floor by his left shoe with his right hand, then the ceiling over his right shoulder alternately on each note... ;-P Do I even need to mention Caleb's Blues? ... but don't touch my Tangram. That album is absolutely perfect from start to finish! > 3)... > The problem seems that Edgar don't show much interest in > music technology nowdays. What about a korg trinity, a clavia would it be corre4ct to say that with Gigasampler and Cubase, they seem to be more into the software/programming/processing aspect of it now, rather than any specific hardware pursuits? I know we have gearheads here that can answer that better than I. > 4) ...You can really spot on any album > who made what : there are the Edgar tracks, the Jerome tracks > and sometimes the Edgar+Jerome tracks. I've always wondered about this. How can you tell, and be sure? I mean, I 'think' I can sometimes guess who is playing what parts in a lot of pre-Jerome TD, but I'm never sure if I'm right. For example, were most of the solos Edgar? Most of the rhythmic sequences Franke? Most of the accompaniment Schmoelling or Haslinger or whomever? How did they compose - collaboratively or separately? With post-Jerome, I have no idea (except maybe that the drum machines are Jerome?). Joe From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Fri Jul 13, 2001 2:53 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] Newbie+90's TD >> 4) ...You can really spot on any album >> who made what : there are the Edgar tracks, the Jerome tracks >> and sometimes the Edgar+Jerome tracks. >I've always wondered about this. How can you tell, and be sure? Of course I'm not sure at all. I can only guess (and guess wrong like I often do). The idea here is that the musical fusion between the different band members seems weaker than it was before (which does not inevitably implies the music itself is). Week-end time now! Thomas ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri Jul 13, 2001 3:31 pm Subject: www.caby.de is down Hi all, if you have problems accessing my website, this is what happened: due to a complex hardware failure on one of our servers, this website is currently not available. Our technicians are intensely working on the trouble shooting, but unfortunately it will take at least a few hours to restore the system. uunet Deutschland From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Fri Jul 13, 2001 3:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newbie+90's TD With post-Jerome, I have no idea (except > maybe that the drum machines are Jerome?). > > Joe Jerome writes the structured chordal and melodic pieces whilst Ed writes the usual old drivel (eg same chords , type of melody(??!!) as he has always used , and the same pallette of sounds since the early-mid 90s) .Jerome is the only one with half an idea about music writing .His style is easy to hear (Colorado Dawn shows what he does) and without him (drumloops aside)I dread to think !!!!! Paul From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Fri Jul 13, 2001 4:41 pm Subject: bulk email: Ventura and Global Communication Hey Dreamers, I have the 'Pentamerous Metamorphosis' and '76:14' but have been unable to listen to any others. I find myself craving GC's style every once and a while, great music. Although I was less than enthused about TD's concert report, I find myself excited about the chance to meet some more TD fans. Okefenokee 2001 was too much fun. I live about 20 minutes from Ventura theater in the Santa Monica Mountains and could help we sleeping arrangements for a few. Ventura theater is one of my favorites, I wonder if they will leave the dance floor clear this time. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Jul 13, 2001 3:53 pm Subject: 'Colorado Dawn' On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:30:57 +0100 'Paul Lawler' writes: >Jerome is the only one with half an idea about music writing. >His style is easy to hear (Colorado Dawn shows what he does) >and without him (drumloops aside)I dread to think !!!!! Oh, yay: somebody besides me who likes 'Colorado Dawn' (CANYON DREAMS soundtrack CD)! Most people slag that track, but I quite like it and consider it to be one of the better TD tracks. > Paul Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27673 Re: 'Colorado Dawn' Frank Arellano Fri 7/13/2001 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Jul 13, 2001 5:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Colorado Dawn' I like 'Colorado Dawn' too, but then again, I like all but three tracks from CANYON DREAMS and OASIS. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:53 AM Subject: [tadream] 'Colorado Dawn' > On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:30:57 +0100 'Paul Lawler' > writes: > > >Jerome is the only one with half an idea about music writing. > >His style is easy to hear (Colorado Dawn shows what he does) > >and without him (drumloops aside)I dread to think !!!!! > > Oh, yay: somebody besides me who likes 'Colorado Dawn' > (CANYON DREAMS soundtrack CD)! Most people slag that track, > but I quite like it and consider it to be one of the better > TD tracks. > > > Paul > > Steven Feldman > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: ampmusic Date: Fri Jul 13, 2001 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newbie+90's TD Listening to early solo albums (particularly those of Edgar and Peter Baumann) gives a good guide to who who played what and who was doing more-or-less solo tracks on TD albums. Another good early style guide was the set of three solo tracks ('Chimes & Chains' etc) on one of the early Virgin boxed sets. As well as a distinctive style of sequencing using slightly offset pattern lengths or filtering, Edgar used to like big Mellotron chords (so doing 'Mysterious Semblance' more or less solo), Baumann had a very distinctive bendy lead solo synth sound which he liked to layer over multiple sequences (much to the fore on 'Trans Harmonic Nights' and so easily spottable on 'Stratosfear'), and Franke of course was in charge of the trilling sequences so didn't seem to do much in terms of lead solo playing. When Schmoelling turned up with a much more classically educated two-handed approach to playing, he took over most of the flowing lead lines and pianistic stuff. When Haslinger first appeared he took over the Schmoelling role, but after Franke departed it became quite clear that he was doing 90% of the composition, at which point Edgar would turn up, approve it, stick a bit of guitar on and depart. There are about 6 albums which are really Paul Haslinger albums, though you can hear from his recent solo work that his sonic interests, when given complete freedom, were really a lot wider. Funnily enough on the recent material there are very few stylistic pointers. Very, very occasionally you hear a little oboe-like melody which resembles something Edgar used to like doing on an ARP Pro DGX, which is a monophonic synth good at those kinds of sounds. But his distinctive sequencer style has almost gone, lost I think in a swirl of bongos :-) so Monsieur Lawler is probably right in these respects. And on the subject of 'Caleb's Blues' there's also a piece on 'Heartbreakers' for a scene in a disco which illustrates why TD never really made it big in soundtracks. They COULDN'T COMPOSE CONVINCINGLY IN ANY STYLE OTHER THAN THEIR OWN. All film composers are occasionally going to have to turn in a Country & Western track or a disco pastiche or 32 bars of ragtime, and TD couldn't do it. Even Chris Franke, who has very successfully taught himself orchestral composition, only partially succeeds in this kind of thing when called upon to do so on his Babylon 5 soundtracks. Have you ever noticed that TD pop songs like 'Dancing on a White Moon' don't, really, if you think about it, sound like anybody else's idea of a pop song? :-)) PS - > Silver Scale is wonderful until that > 4-note staccato theme appears (bam-bam...bambam!). It's a little pointer to tell everyone to go on to the next bit on stage. There are probably lots of others if you look. Joe Shoults wrote: > Welcome, Thomas! Some thoughts and questions: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: thomas.soucheleau@n... > ... > > 1) Crappy tracks didn't start in the 90's. There are parts in > > almost every virgin album that actually really suck. But they > > are parts of lengthy tracks and not whole tracks. > > Like, for me, the entire Force Majeure album is perfect, except for Track 1 > at 15:55 thru 17:45. That part makes me cringe; I edited it out of my > backup. Also, almost all of Logos is great, but 'Dominion' on that album > stinks so bad, IMO, I'm embarrased to play it for friends. And I'll > probably get lynched for this, but Silver Scale is wonderful until that > 4-note staccato theme appears (bam-bam...bambam!). I envision a cheesy > disco dancer in a leisure suit (think of the John Travolta-spoofing dance > scene in the movie Airplane!), pointing to the floor by his left shoe with > his right hand, then the ceiling over his right shoulder alternately on each > note... ;-P Do I even need to mention Caleb's Blues? > > ... but don't touch my Tangram. That album is absolutely perfect from start > to finish! > > > 3)... > > The problem seems that Edgar don't show much interest in > > music technology nowdays. What about a korg trinity, a clavia > > would it be corre4ct to say that with Gigasampler and Cubase, they seem to > be more into the software/programming/processing aspect of it now, rather > than any specific hardware pursuits? I know we have gearheads here that can > answer that better than I. > > > 4) ...You can really spot on any album > > who made what : there are the Edgar tracks, the Jerome tracks > > and sometimes the Edgar+Jerome tracks. > > I've always wondered about this. How can you tell, and be sure? I mean, I > 'think' I can sometimes guess who is playing what parts in a lot of > pre-Jerome TD, but I'm never sure if I'm right. For example, were most of > the solos Edgar? Most of the rhythmic sequences Franke? Most of the > accompaniment Schmoelling or Haslinger or whomever? How did they compose - > collaboratively or separately? With post-Jerome, I have no idea (except > maybe that the drum machines are Jerome?). > > Joe > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27677 Re: Newbie+90's TD Marcel Engels Fri 7/13/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jul 13, 2001 7:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Newbie+90's TD You mean a musical cue for them to move on to the next musical idea? but they keep playing it. Maybe we're not talking about the same thing; here's what I'm talking about: http://www.tadream.net/joe/ss.htm Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: ampmusic [mailto:tadream@a...] ... > > > Silver Scale is wonderful until that > > 4-note staccato theme appears (bam-bam...bambam!). > > It's a little pointer to tell everyone to go on to the next > bit on stage. > There are probably lots of others if you look. From: ampmusic Date: Fri Jul 13, 2001 8:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newbie+90's TD Oh no - sorry, I meant the four bursts of white noise - pish pish pish PISH, pish pish pish PISH... Joe Shoults wrote: > You mean a musical cue for them to move on to the next musical idea? but > they keep playing it. Maybe we're not talking about the same thing; here's > what I'm talking about: > http://www.tadream.net/joe/ss.htm > > Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ampmusic [mailto:tadream@a...] > ... > > > > > Silver Scale is wonderful until that > > > 4-note staccato theme appears (bam-bam...bambam!). > > > > It's a little pointer to tell everyone to go on to the next > > bit on stage. > > There are probably lots of others if you look. > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Jul 13, 2001 9:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Newbie+90's TD > From: ampmusic [mailto:tadream@a...] > > As well as a distinctive style of sequencing using slightly offset pattern > lengths or filtering, Edgar used to like big Mellotron chords (so doing > 'Mysterious Semblance' more or less solo), Baumann had a very > distinctive bendy > lead solo synth sound which he liked to layer over multiple > sequences (much to > the fore on 'Trans Harmonic Nights' and so easily spottable on > 'Stratosfear'), > and Franke of course was in charge of the trilling sequences so > didn't seem to > do much in terms of lead solo playing. You're right about the styles of playing. Peter used the Arp Pro soloist a lot for soloing. He also did some sequencing and e-piano. I also believe he played the mellotron flute...not Ed. Franke did most of the sequencing and also played the string ensemble (elka) which you can hear a lot in 74/75 concerts (Coefficient for example). And Ed did the mellotron strings/choirs. Personally I think Peter was the most interesting factor in those time, then Chris and then Ed. But thats just me. > > Silver Scale is wonderful until that > > 4-note staccato theme appears (bam-bam...bambam!). > > It's a little pointer to tell everyone to go on to the next bit on stage. > There are probably lots of others if you look. You can hear a lot of pointers when they did the good ol' improvisations...when I and Ruud Heij are doing improvs we also discuss 'pointers' before making music or a concert...I like that way of working. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Jul 13, 2001 11:47 pm Subject: notice: next radio show Hello everyone, It's very probable that I'll have my little home made radio show going next early Sunday morning, from around 2-3 to 5-6 AM GMT. I've written a probable playlist here, it includes Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and Radiohead, among others (and 'others' are many things :) The address is http://64.152.82.73:16108 - in Winamp, just 'open location' (ctrl+L). It can also be played on Realplayer and Windows Media Player. It's an early notice because I'm sure many of you are on digest (including myself); there's a possibility it won't happen, but I'm pretty sure it will. If you have any questions and/or suggestions (they're very welcome), call me by email or ICQ (5727909) . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27791 Re: Dreamweavers Tales RJF Thu 7/19/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Jul 14, 2001 7:57 am Subject: Exploring The Unknown and Mars Polaris Earlier tonight I was watching a program on television called 'Exploring The Unknown' and just before the program broke for commercials, on this particular segment, I heard a tiny piece of background music that sure as hell sounded like a bit from the Mars Polaris CD, 'Astrophobia' to be exact. I have never seen this program before so I don't know if this is a musical theme that is used regularly or not. This particular segment was filmed by NASA and the subject matter was whether the bright lights that traveled and changed direction and speed in space were alien space crafts or an illusion created by other possibilities, such as whether they were ice crystals that were propelled away by the smaller secondary engine thrusters, etc. How far away these objects were, was questioned and debated. Anyone else watch this? How I love the investigative sciences! 8-) Was this almighty TD's excerpt from Mars Polaris or just a coincidence to Mars Polaris' sound? It's been hard for me to understand how a small number of people didn't like Mars Polaris. 8-/ I thought it interesting too, that for me, in a way, the Mars Polaris release was TD returning to their roots of space music. Comments anyone? I...t's Idahammer Electronic music being cerebral music, music for the mind 8-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27691 Re: Exploring The Unknown and Mars Polaris Joe Shoults Mon 7/16/2001 2 KB From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Sat Jul 14, 2001 5:29 pm Subject: If they do Michigan Hey there all, I don't post much, BUT was just reading the notes about Tangerine Dream, and they listed a MICHIGAN DATE>.. YIPEE. I had planned on travelling damn near anywhere to actually see the guys perform, so didn't matter inside the US, but nothing like a Michigan gig if they confirm it. Just curious if anyone is going to be attending (I'd figure Joe, since you live in Michigan), but are there anymore Michigan fans? The ONLY THING I'd have to say is a bummer is the venue size. I realize that it's cooler to see bands in a smaller intimate setting, BUT that makes it kinda difficult to actually come by tickets. That small of a venue? Detroit Opera House, Masonic Temple, there are a half dozen places in the area such as St. Andrews hall that are under a thousand. BUT if anyone around the area is going, AND does happen to come upon extra tickets, please keep me in mind. This is the ultimate concert I don't want to miss. And what's with the BONGOS? Was that for serious? I couldn't imagine bongos in A TD concert, so what did I miss? dan Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com TeslaGroup, ChristianRockMusic, TheTradingCircle Found HERE! http://www.yahoogroups.com AOL IM (winnietiggerfan/kayleighsdad) or MSN Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27681 Re: If they do Michigan Synthhtnys@a... Sat 7/14/2001 2 KB 27696 Re: If they do Michigan Joe Shoults Mon 7/16/2001 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Jul 14, 2001 7:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] If they do Michigan And what's with the BONGOS? Was that for serious? I couldn't imagine bongos in A TD concert, so what did I miss? *True fact. Sorry. You must have missed the Shephards Bush concert postings. They apparently now have a member that does little more than play bongos. (BTW weren't you on the Ambrosia list? One of my other favorite neglected bands.) Poly Paul Ellis Hypnos/Binary Recordings PO Box 6868 / Portland, Or 97228 / Usa www.hypnos.com 'It is only a few years before we shall have entirely new methods of tone production by electrical means.... Thus will begin a new era in music.' Leopold Stokowski 1929 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: vic rek Date: Sun Jul 15, 2001 4:58 am Subject: Summer Cleaning Hello fans! I have a few Tangerine Dream and solo items that I'd like to offer you. All prices are set sale and first come, first served. So now is the time to maybe fill one of those gaps in your collection? All are CDs: Tyger - US version w/extra track 'Vigour' $8 Miracle Mile - Canadian release $8 Optical Race/Mothers of Rain/Sun Gate/Ghazal - Germany PROMO CD5 $40 Towards the Evening Star (3 versions - 1 mixed by Orb) - UK $10 Tyranny of Beauty (5 track PROMO sampler) - US $7 Steve Jolliffe - Deep Down Far US $10 Michael Hoenig - Xcept One $35 Paul Haslinger - World Without Rules US $9 Paul Haslinger - Score US $8 Edgar Froese - Ages UK $30 Klaus Schulze - Body Love 2 - scarce German Brain issue $25 Klaus Schulze - Inter*face - rare German Brain issue $40 Contact me off list if you are interested. Also, I hear Virtual Files 1978 will be released at the end of this month. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27683 Re: Summer Cleaning Synthhtnys@a... Sun 7/15/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Jul 15, 2001 5:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Summer Cleaning Hi Vic... This is Paul Ellis of Dweller at the Threshold... I was wondering if these two were still available? I'd like to buy them if they are... Let me know, thanks Poly > Klaus Schulze - Body Love 2 - scarce German Brain issue $25 > Tyger - US version w/extra track 'Vigour'    $8 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Sun Jul 15, 2001 4:04 pm Subject: woohoo--it's started.... You have purchased 1 ticket(s) for: LIMITED SEATING AVAILABLE TANGERINE DREAM AT THE VENTURA THEATRE 26 S. CHESTNUT,VENTURA FRI NOV 9, 2001 7:00PM Your Event: TANGERINE DREAM Venue: VENTURA THEATRE Date & Time: Friday, November 09, 2001 7:00PM City VENTURA State: CA Your Tickets: SECTION GA, # of Tickets: 1 Total Paid: 44.55 Delivery Method: Mail _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27689 Re: woohoo--it's started.... john@p... Mon 7/16/2001 2 KB 27714 Re: woohoo--it's started....ticket prices Michael A Jean Tue 7/17/2001 3 KB 27758 Re: woohoo--it's started.... Adele Outland Wed 7/18/2001 4 KB 27801 Re: woohoo--it's started.... Deb H-J Thu 7/19/2001 4 KB 27803 Re: woohoo--it's started.... Alan Benson Thu 7/19/2001 2 KB From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 10:37 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 954 Cities listed on TD web site for dates so far: 'Seattle, WA; Portland, OR; Anaheim, CA; Los Angeles, CA; Atlanta, GA; New York City; Philadelphia, PA; Pittsburgh, PA; Detroit, MI; Denver, CO;..... .and many more to come.....please note that this will be a more club oriented tour with smaller venues as usual (capacaties will go from 700 - 1800 people). Regards, DPH From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sat Jul 14, 2001 9:04 pm Subject: Mars Polaris On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:57:16 -0600 'Frank Arellano' writes: >[. . .] for me, in a way, the Mars Polaris release was TD >returning to their roots of space music. Comments anyone? I find the three epic 9-10 minute tracks on MARS POLARIS to be very much like TD's 15-22 minute blowouts of the 70's and 80's, but more compact and sophisticated. Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Sun Jul 15, 2001 5:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour I bet you don't use bongos!!! If I was in town you could count me in most definitely! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour > > Now what if a concert date is the same as the date > we are playing in Philadelphia? > Everybody chooses TD of course instead of an improvised, > space adventure in a cathedral. :-) > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > *I'd be interested in meeting up with anyone planning to see the Portland > > Oregon TD show..... but first a little prayer.... Please God NO > > BONGOS!!!!!!!!!! > > anyway contact me if you plan on seeing this show and would like to have a > > pre-show pint. > > > > Poly > > > > Paul Ellis > > Hypnos/Binary Recordings > > PO Box 6868 / Portland, Or 97228 / Usa > > www.hypnos.com > > > > 'It is only a few years before we shall have entirely new methods of tone > > production > > by electrical means.... Thus will begin a new era in music.' > > Leopold Stokowski 1929 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Sun Jul 15, 2001 5:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour Thry were and added nothing to the show IMHO. T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Shoults To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour > I'll join you in prayer. from what I hear about the London show, the bongos > were overpowering. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Synthhtnys@a... [ > > Oregon TD show..... but first a little prayer.... Please God NO > > BONGOS!!!!!!!!!! > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: john@p... Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 12:00 pm Subject: Re: woohoo--it's started.... --- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote: > # of Tickets: > 1 > Total Paid: > 44.55 Isn't that kind of expensive? Or are concerts in the US generally more pricey? Certainly sounds like another Fan Fleecing exercise to me. Under the circumstances I can't resist a repeat plug: RMI/AS/FSP/UTD/HS live Hampshire, England, Oct27 all for UKP15. And everyone will be *playing* their instruments. jc Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27714 Re: woohoo--it's started....ticket prices Michael A Jean Tue 7/17/2001 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 1:30 pm Subject: TD webring? Would it make sense to create a 'TD webring' on the Internet? I know that there are some homepages which have a pretty good homepage listing (Klaus Beschorner for example), but they mostly cover those websites whose owners are on the TD mailing lists, and I guess there must be a lot more floating around where we don't even know of their existence, and maybe it is an opportunity to 'promote' your TD homepage in case you have one. I know that there's a webring for Kraftwerk and it's really nice to have quick access to these sites without having to waste much time to locate them on a search engine. However I don't know if it really makes sense or what one has to do to create such a 'webring'. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27692 Re: TD webring? Joe Shoults Mon 7/16/2001 3 KB 27693 Re: TD webring? Feldon Feldon Mon 7/16/2001 4 KB 27708 Re: TD webring? john@p... Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB 27707 Re: TD webring? Heiko Heerssen Tue 7/17/2001 4 KB 27709 Re: TD webring? Heiko Heerssen Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB 27710 Re: TD webring? Heiko Heerssen Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB 27728 Re: TD webring? Joe Shoults Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB 27731 Re: TD webring? Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 7/17/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 3:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Exploring The Unknown and Mars Polaris Hey Frank- what network was this program on? Joe > -----Original Message----- > Earlier tonight I was watching a program on television called > 'Exploring The Unknown' and just before the program broke for > commercials, > on this particular segment, I heard a tiny piece of > background music that > sure as hell sounded like a bit from the Mars Polaris CD, > 'Astrophobia' to... From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 3:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD webring? I think that's a great idea! > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 9:31 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TD webring? > > > Would it make sense to create a 'TD webring' on the Internet? I know > that there are some homepages which have a pretty good > homepage listing > (Klaus Beschorner for example), but they mostly cover those websites > whose owners are on the TD mailing lists, and I guess there must be a > lot more floating around where we don't even know of their existence, > and maybe it is an opportunity to 'promote' your TD homepage > in case you > have one. I know that there's a webring for Kraftwerk and it's really > nice to have quick access to these sites without having to waste much > time to locate them on a search engine. However I don't know if it > really makes sense or what one has to do to create such a 'webring'. > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27693 Re: TD webring? Feldon Feldon Mon 7/16/2001 4 KB 27708 Re: TD webring? john@p... Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 3:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD webring? A webring is 2 things. First, it's a slightly more complicated, but much more complete 'links' page. Second, it's a little control panel on each webmaster's site that can take you to the next page or previous page in the webring. For the first bit, someone with lots of time would have to go to all the TD websites and decide which are to be included, then build a big links page with paragraph description about each one. For the second bit, someone has to build some graphics for the webring control panel and then write the HTML for each webmaster to use. If a page goes down, then the webmasters prior to and immediately following that downed site would need new HTML that skips over that site. Alternately, a CGI or Java script could be written/found that always references a master list, so there is no burden on the individual webring webmasters. Either way, this is all a fair amount of work. The first half of the webring idea--having a website which is a well-maintained master page of links with a paragraph description about each one--would be perfect in my opinion. The reason webrings exist is that people often won't explore a huge page of links. They are, however, willing to click on a button that says 'visit the next site in the webring' out of curiousity. The question is, do TD fans fit into that category of people who are not patient enough to read a good page of links, but WILL click on a button? I don't think so. We're in another category. A group of people who read profusely about TD. Paraphrasing what Heiko said, the whole point of a webring, no matter its form, is for either old fans or new fans who stumble upon a TD site through a search engine, to have a feeling 'I've found one site and the hard work is done, now I can explore for hours'. My .02c, adjusted for inflation. -Morgan At 11:23 AM 7/16/2001 -0400, you wrote: >I think that's a great idea! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 9:31 AM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] TD webring? > > > > > > Would it make sense to create a 'TD webring' on the Internet? I know > > that there are some homepages which have a pretty good > > homepage listing (Klaus Beschorner for example), but they mostly cover > those websites > > whose owners are on the TD mailing lists, and I guess there must be a > > lot more floating around where we don't even know of their existence, > > and maybe it is an opportunity to 'promote' your TD homepage > > in case you > > have one. I know that there's a webring for Kraftwerk and it's really > > nice to have quick access to these sites without having to waste much > > time to locate them on a search engine. However I don't know if it > > really makes sense or what one has to do to create such a 'webring'. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27708 Re: TD webring? john@p... Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 3:00 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Mars Polaris > On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:57:16 -0600 'Frank Arellano' > writes: > > >[. . .] for me, in a way, the Mars Polaris release was TD > >returning to their roots of space music. Comments anyone? I agree. MP is the only 90s TD album I like, mostly due to the references to their musical roots. Best whishes, Glenn Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/newtrax Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27695 Re: SV: [tadream] Mars Polaris Matthew Stringer Mon 7/16/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 3:57 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Mars Polaris On Monday 16 July 2001 4:00 pm, Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media] wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:57:16 -0600 'Frank Arellano' > > > > writes: > > >[. . .] for me, in a way, the Mars Polaris release was TD > > >returning to their roots of space music. Comments anyone? > > I agree. MP is the only 90s TD album I like, mostly due to the references > to their musical roots. > I was looking forward to this one after the good reviews. I was so disapointed I nearly threw it out! I tried to play it a few times but there is just nothing to grab my attention, just dull, lifeless and forgettable. I liked most of 220 and TotT but I can hardly describe them as faves. The 90's weren't very good for EM IMO I'm hoping that the 00's will be better, otherwise I'll have to resign to be a retro dinosaur! Matt From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 4:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] If they do Michigan If you're talking about me, I live in Cleveland, Ohio, but will drive to Detroit and/or Pittsburgh. Probably organize a caravan road trip? As for venues, I really prefer a smaller venue, provided tickets are available, of course. Cleveland Music Hall in 1986 was really nice because there wasn't a bad seat in the house, and I was way in the back (found out about the show on the day of). I'd think Detroit Little Gem Theater would be preferable to Opera house, since the floor seating is all in chairs, not fixed seating. That allows room for hundreds of people to dance to the bongos. ;-) We'll have to stay on top of when tix go on sale, so if you hear or read an announcement about tix sales, please post it here. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: winnie the pooh [mailto:winniethepoohfan1@m...] ... > curious if anyone is going to be attending (I'd figure Joe, > since you live in Michigan), but are there anymore Michigan fans? > > The ONLY THING I'd have to say is a bummer is the venue size. > I realize that it's cooler to see bands in a smaller intimate ... From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 3:26 am Subject: Re: Iris at SBE 2001 I think it's extremely unfair to say Iris did 'little more than play bongos' at SBE 2001. Irrespective of how you viewed her contribution to the concert, I'm sure anyone there will testify she never had a moment's rest for almost 3 hours, playing, apart from the bongos, a very wide array of other percussion instruments in a similar vein to Emil Hachfeld on the 1997 Tournado tour of the UK. Her contribution was virtually constant for the entire duration of the show, only a small proportion of which did she spend in front of the bongos. And TD have been using the sound of acoustic drums, including bongos, in their music for decades, so their inclusion in a live set up shouldn't really be that much of a surprise. - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] If they do Michigan > And what's with the BONGOS? Was that for serious? I couldn't imagine bongos > in A TD concert, so what did I miss? > > > *True fact. Sorry. You must have missed the Shephards Bush concert postings. > They apparently now have a member that does little more than play bongos. > (BTW weren't you on the Ambrosia list? One of my other favorite > neglected bands.) > > Poly > > Paul Ellis > Hypnos/Binary Recordings > PO Box 6868 / Portland, Or 97228 / Usa > www.hypnos.com > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27702 Re: Iris at SBE 2001 Feldon Feldon Mon 7/16/2001 2 KB 27703 Re: Iris at SBE 2001 Paul Lawler Mon 7/16/2001 3 KB 27727 Re: Iris at SBE 2001 Joe Shoults Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB 27777 Re: Iris at SBE 2001 horrod6 Wed 7/18/2001 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 7:43 pm Subject: alexandria virginia 10/25 onsale date Internet Onsale: Tuesday, July 17, 2001, 10:00AM TANGERINE DREAM Thu 10/25/01 7:30PM BIRCHMERE ALEXANDRIA VA www.ticketmaster.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27701 Re: alexandria virginia 10/25 onsale date Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chal Mon 7/16/2001 2 KB 27712 Re: alexandria virginia 10/25 onsale date Michael A Jean Tue 7/17/2001 3 KB 27713 Re: alexandria virginia 10/25 onsale date Michael A Jean Tue 7/17/2001 4 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 7:50 pm Subject: isn't thatt kind of expensive?.... >Isn't that kind of expensive? Or are concerts in the US generally more pricey? Certainly sounds like another Fan Fleecing exercise to me. well the ticket prices are $25 and $35 for TD ventura--it got to $44 when you figure in all the charges for ticketmaster--per ticket charge, internet/mail order charge, and the credit card fee. It would be cheaper to just walk in to a southern california ticketmaster --but I live about 4 to 5 hours from there--so internet ordering is about the only reasonable way to get a ticket. Had I ordered more than one ticket (which I would have--had I been able to convince my norcal friends to head south for the show or my southern california friends to head somewhat north of the show conveniences fees would have averaged less per ticket. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27700 isn't thatt kind of expensive?.... tei waz Mon 7/16/2001 3 KB 27704 Re: isn't thatt kind of expensive?.... spawnofcthulhu@w... Mon 7/16/2001 3 KB 27721 Re: isn't thatt kind of expensive?.... tom george Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB 27730 Re: isn't thatt kind of expensive?.... Joe Shoults Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB 27738 Re: isn't thatt kind of expensive?.... john@p... Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB 27740 Re: isn't thatt kind of expensive?.... Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 7/17/2001 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 7:50 pm Subject: isn't thatt kind of expensive?.... >Isn't that kind of expensive? Or are concerts in the US generally more pricey? Certainly sounds like another Fan Fleecing exercise to me. well the ticket prices are $25 and $35 for TD ventura--it got to $44 when you figure in all the charges for ticketmaster--per ticket charge, internet/mail order charge, and the credit card fee. It would be cheaper to just walk in to a southern california ticketmaster --but I live about 4 to 5 hours from there--so internet ordering is about the only reasonable way to get a ticket. Had I ordered more than one ticket (which I would have--had I been able to convince my norcal friends to head south for the show or my southern california friends to head somewhat north for the show conveniences fees would have averaged less per ticket. --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 8:05 pm Subject: Re: alexandria virginia 10/25 onsale date tei waz said: > Internet Onsale: Tuesday, July 17, 2001, 10:00AM > TANGERINE DREAM > Thu 10/25/01 7:30PM > BIRCHMERE > ALEXANDRIA VA I am _so_ there! That place...(a) is wonderful, (b) is within walking, nee' staggering distance of where I live, (c) is within a week of my birthday! Tx for the info! -- Face down in the lap of luxury, and nowhere to GO but DOWN... :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27712 Re: alexandria virginia 10/25 onsale date Michael A Jean Tue 7/17/2001 3 KB 27713 Re: alexandria virginia 10/25 onsale date Michael A Jean Tue 7/17/2001 4 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 7:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Iris at SBE 2001 Except that it sounds like hell. At 08:26 PM 7/16/2001 -0700, you wrote: >I think it's extremely unfair to say Iris did 'little more than play bongos' >at SBE 2001. Irrespective of how you viewed her contribution to the concert, >I'm sure anyone there will testify she never had a moment's rest for almost >3 hours, playing, apart from the bongos, a very wide array of other >percussion instruments in a similar vein to Emil Hachfeld on the 1997 >Tournado tour of the UK. Her contribution was virtually constant for the >entire duration of the show, only a small proportion of which did she spend >in front of the bongos. And TD have been using the sound of acoustic drums, >including bongos, in their music for decades, so their inclusion in a live >set up shouldn't really be that much of a surprise. > >- Chris From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 10:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Iris at SBE 2001 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Owen To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 4:26 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Iris at SBE 2001 > I think it's extremely unfair to say Iris did 'little more than play bongos' > at SBE 2001. Irrespective of how you viewed her contribution to the concert, > I'm sure anyone there will testify she never had a moment's rest for almost > 3 hours, playing, apart from the bongos, a very wide array of other > percussion instruments in a similar vein to Emil Hachfeld on the 1997 > Tournado tour of the UK. Her contribution was virtually constant for the > entire duration of the show, only a small proportion of which did she spend > in front of the bongos. And TD have been using the sound of acoustic drums, > including bongos, in their music for decades, so their inclusion in a live > set up shouldn't really be that much of a surprise. > > - Chris > You cant compare relentless, pointless banging of anything over a CD to how they used to use acoustic drums . Sure she was busy , she had to take the eyes away from certain peoples fingers . Paul From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 11:53 pm Subject: re: [tadream] isn't thatt kind of expensive?.... I payed $65 to see the Rolling Stones, $20 to see Rammstein, $35 for Kiss, and $60 for Elton John. $44 to see Edgar & Co. sounds like a deal. mike >>Isn't that kind of expensive? Or are >>concerts in the US generally more >>pricey? Certainly sounds like another >>Fan Fleecing exercise to me. >well the ticket prices are $25 and $35 for >TD ventura--it got to $44 when you figure >in all the charges for ticketmaster--per >ticket charge, internet/mail order charge, >and the credit card fee. It would be >cheaper to just walk in to a southern >california ticketmaster --but I live about 4 >to 5 hours from there--so internet >ordering is about the only reasonable >way to get a ticket. Had I ordered more >than one ticket (which I would have--had >I been able to convince my norcal friends >to head south for the show or my >southern california friends to head >somewhat north for the show >conveniences fees would have averaged >less per ticket. >--tei [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27721 Re: isn't thatt kind of expensive?.... tom george Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB From: 'Thomas' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 5:07 am Subject: Star trooper & Twilight folder Hi all, did you all see on the homepage that the Star trooper & Twilight folder projects (which were announced AGES ago) have been deleted. I wonder why.... Thomas Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27706 Re: Star trooper & Twilight folder Feldon Feldon Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB 27715 Re: Star trooper & Twilight folder Michael A Jean Tue 7/17/2001 3 KB 27729 Re: Star trooper & Twilight folder Joe Shoults Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 5:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Star trooper & Twilight folder At 07:07 AM 7/17/2001 +0200, you wrote: >Hi all, > >did you all see on the homepage that the Star trooper & Twilight folder >projects (which were announced AGES ago) have been deleted. I wonder why.... > >Thomas Dunno about the classical disc, but maybe EF realized his heavily doctored concert material wasn't selling? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27715 Re: Star trooper & Twilight folder Michael A Jean Tue 7/17/2001 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 6:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD webring? > For the first bit, someone with lots of time would have to go to all the TD > websites and decide which are to be included, then build a big links page > with paragraph description about each one. I would of course be willing to assist in any way I can, however I see that it would take quite an amount of time and knowledge to do this (both things that I don't possess since I have internet access only at work) > The reason webrings exist is that people often won't explore a huge page of > links. They are, however, willing to click on a button that says 'visit the > next site in the webring' out of curiousity. Exactly. I guess I spent almost an hour in my office by jumping from one Kraftwerk website to another, not knowing what comes next (during lunch break, of course ~lol~) > The question is, do TD fans > fit into that category of people who are not patient enough to read a good > page of links, but WILL click on a button? I don't think so. We're in > another category. A group of people who read profusely about TD. You may be right. The thing is, when I was looking for TD fanpages on search engines like Altavista etc. (and I looked really hard!) I still found a lot of websites that weren't included in any other TD links section. And if you search for 'Tangerine Dream' on AltaVista (or others) you won't find my or Duncan's website (because they seem to ignore providers like Tripod), I have to rely on those people (Klaus, Rainer etc.) who included my page on their links section. That was reason enough for me to think of something like a 'webring'. To have a master list of links would really be fine, however I can't think of anyone who would be willing to do such an amount of work (like I said, I don't even have the knowledge or tools to do this) Heiko From: john@p... Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 9:34 am Subject: Re: TD webring? --- In tadream@y..., Feldon Feldon wrote: > Either way, this is all a fair amount of work. It would be a lot of effort to do it from scratch, but Yahoo(!) give you an off the shelf one - see http://webrings.yahoo.com/ I couldn't find out how to customise it, and the default is pretty bland to look at, but it's free and it seems to work. I'd have set one up but I don't have a TD site (and it would be evil to use it to lure people to airsculpture.com, wouldn't it ;). I assume Yahoo bought out the original webring people as webring/webrings.org both have lots of pictures of naked people now. Speaking of which, is tangerinedreamxxx.com allowed on the ring? jc From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 9:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD webring? > It would be a lot of effort to do it from scratch, but Yahoo(!) give > you an off the shelf one - see http://webrings.yahoo.com/ ..or use this URL (the one above doesn't work..?): http://edit.webring.yahoo.com/h/create_ring.html and however takes care of the job will become a 'TD RingMaster'...does this sounds cool or what?! ;-) > Speaking of which, is tangerinedreamxxx.com allowed on the ring? LOL. From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 9:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD webring? > .and however takes care of the job will become a 'TD RingMaster'...does this > sounds cool or what?! ;-) err...the main reason why I can't become a RingMaster is my poor English ;-( I meant 'and whoever takes care of the job will become a 'TD RingMaster'..does this sound cool or what?! ;-) ' Ze German From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 9:57 am Subject: TD webring ? > For the first bit, someone with lots of time would have to go to all the TD > websites and decide which are to be included, then build a big links page > with paragraph description about each one. Well, when they were started, I thought that the 'TD portals' would do exactly that... And, for a start, every homepage owner on this list could supply a paragraph description about his own page. All we need is someone to volounteer as a central collator. And best use one of the portals as a home. >I still found a lot of websites that weren't included in any other TD links section. Publish them ! I'd be more than happy to include them on my links page ! >And if you search for 'Tangerine Dream' on AltaVista (or others) you won't find my >or Duncan's website Actually, if I had any _relieable_ way of doing so, I would like _none_ of the search engines to list my page. For reasons that should be obvious ;-) Less obvious: because of the soundtracks listed, my page gets _a_lot_ of hits from people searching for the film or actor, with no interest in the music. best regards, klaus From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 11:28 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: alexandria virginia 10/25 onsale date Peter, I'll second that... I live in Arlington, VA, one town away... Funny that we haven't tried to meet yet... We should definitely try in the future. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk [mailto:dusty@p...] > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 3:05 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: alexandria virginia 10/25 onsale date > > > tei waz said: > > > Internet Onsale: Tuesday, July 17, 2001, 10:00AM > > TANGERINE DREAM > > Thu 10/25/01 7:30PM > > BIRCHMERE > > ALEXANDRIA VA > > I am _so_ there! That place...(a) is wonderful, (b) is within > walking, nee' > staggering distance of where I live, (c) is within a week of my birthday! > Tx for the info! > -- > Face down in the lap of luxury, and nowhere to GO but DOWN... > :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27713 Re: alexandria virginia 10/25 onsale date Michael A Jean Tue 7/17/2001 4 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 11:39 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: alexandria virginia 10/25 onsale date Among the features there is a mock German beer garden (complete with figurines of a band called the 'Jolly Bavarians'), a souvenir shop and an enormous wooden bar. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 6:29 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Cc: dusty@p... > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: alexandria virginia 10/25 onsale date > > > Peter, > > I'll second that... I live in Arlington, VA, one town away... > > Funny that we haven't tried to meet yet... We should definitely try in the > future. > > MJ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk [mailto:dusty@p...] > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 3:05 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] Re: alexandria virginia 10/25 onsale date > > > > > > tei waz said: > > > > > Internet Onsale: Tuesday, July 17, 2001, 10:00AM > > > TANGERINE DREAM > > > Thu 10/25/01 7:30PM > > > BIRCHMERE > > > ALEXANDRIA VA > > > > I am _so_ there! That place...(a) is wonderful, (b) is within > > walking, nee' > > staggering distance of where I live, (c) is within a week of my > birthday! > > Tx for the info! > > -- > > Face down in the lap of luxury, and nowhere to GO but DOWN... > > :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 11:42 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: woohoo--it's started....ticket prices I don't think that's bad... My tix for Madonna and Sade in August were about $100 each, with the price on Madonna going up to $250! > -----Original Message----- > From: john@p... [mailto:john@p...] > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 7:00 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: woohoo--it's started.... > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote: > > > # of Tickets: > > 1 > > Total Paid: > > 44.55 > > Isn't that kind of expensive? Or are concerts in the US generally > more pricey? Certainly sounds like another Fan Fleecing exercise to > me. > > Under the circumstances I can't resist a repeat plug: > RMI/AS/FSP/UTD/HS live Hampshire, England, Oct27 all for UKP15. > And everyone will be *playing* their instruments. > > jc > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 11:51 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Star trooper & Twilight folder SOmeone on the TDI Guest book suggested that perhaps the Twilight Flder stuff ended up on I-Box, which seems like a reasonable explanation to me. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 12:18 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Star trooper & Twilight folder > > > At 07:07 AM 7/17/2001 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >did you all see on the homepage that the Star trooper & Twilight folder > >projects (which were announced AGES ago) have been deleted. I > wonder why.... > > > >Thomas > > > Dunno about the classical disc, but maybe EF realized his heavily > doctored > concert material wasn't selling? > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 1:14 pm Subject: re:Iris/expensive/US club tour can of worms >Subject: Re: Re: Iris at SBE 2001 >Except that it sounds like hell. Part of the reason I got into TD in the first place. :) >Subject: re: isn't thatt kind of expensive?.... >I payed $65 to see the Rolling Stones, $20 to see Rammstein, $35 for Kiss, and $60 for Elton John. $44 to see Edgar & Co. sounds like a deal. lemme see around here for reserved seats--the WHO was (after convenience fees) about $100, KISS with Ted Nugent--similar. Jimmy Page with the Black Crowes--had they actually done the show about $100. King Crimson opening for TOOL $52 plus service charges. Tangerine Dream when they haven't performed (OK, no snickering here) in the US since 1992 at $35 is a bargain. I paid $35 to see them at the Music in the Movies Mill Valley Film Fest benefit in 1986.... I'd pay $35 again to watch 'em play a plethora of soundtracks from Thief, Sorcerer, Wavelength and Flashpoint! So in a sense, their prices haven't changed much in 15 years. Alright time to open a can of worms here--anyone have any idea what TD will be touring the U.S. with? Is it Dream Mixes? or Inferno? both? something else? --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27717 Re: Iris/expensive/US club tour can of worms Heiko Heerssen Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB 27718 Re: Iris/expensive/US club tour can of worms mengels@w... Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB 27723 Re: Iris/expensive/US club tour can of worms Sean Montgomery Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB 27724 Re: Iris/expensive/US club tour can of worms Utch Entel Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB 27736 Re: Iris/expensive/US club tour can of worms Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 1:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re:Iris/expensive/US club tour can of worms > Alright time to open a can of worms here--anyone have any idea what TD will > be touring the U.S. with? Is it Dream Mixes? or Inferno? both? something > else? I guess that's the best kept TD(I) secret at the moment. I don't even know how 'Inferno' will sound like, except that Jerome said that it will be quite experimental in parts. Let's hope they make some changes to the setlist of the Shepherds Bush gig and come up with something new, not just the Dream mixes 3 stuff. I would love to be at one of these concerts but it's just too far away & my wife would probably kill me if I fly to the States without her ~lol~ Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27718 Re: Iris/expensive/US club tour can of worms mengels@w... Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB From: Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 3:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re:Iris/expensive/US club tour can of worms They will surprise everyone and play a complete improvised set... Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > > Alright time to open a can of worms here--anyone have any idea what TD will > > be touring the U.S. with? Is it Dream Mixes? or Inferno? both? something > > else? > > I guess that's the best kept TD(I) secret at the moment. I don't even know > how > 'Inferno' will sound like, except that Jerome said that it will be quite > experimental in parts. Let's hope they make some changes to the setlist of > the > Shepherds Bush gig and come up with something new, not just the Dream mixes 3 > stuff. I would love to be at one of these concerts but it's just too far away > & > my wife would probably kill me if I fly to the States without her ~lol~ > > Heiko From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 5:16 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream - Deleted! I see the official TD website now lists Twilight Folder and Star Trooper as deleted! What's going on? We never saw the release The Lion's Share either. Seems ages since we had a proper brand new studio album as well. Kevin. From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: Re club oriented tour with smaller venues On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:37:30 -0600 'Daniel Hobrecht' writes: > >Cities listed on TD web site for dates so far: >'Seattle, WA; Portland, OR; Anaheim, CA; Los Angeles, CA; >Atlanta, GA; New York City; Philadelphia, PA; Pittsburgh, PA; >Detroit, MI; Denver, CO;..... >.and many more to come.....please note that this will be a more >club oriented tour with smaller venues as usual (capacaties will >go from 700 -1800 people). Because of their ever-shrinking fan base, I'm sure. Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27726 Re: Re club oriented tour with smaller venues Joe Shoults Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB 27741 Re: Re club oriented tour with smaller venues E Neal Frost Tue 7/17/2001 3 KB From: tom george Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 1:01 am Subject: re: [tadream] isn't thatt kind of expensive?.... how was Rammstein Mike? i love their cds especially the new one 'Mutter'. i bet they are awesome live. tom --- spawnofcthulhu@w... wrote: > I payed $65 to see the Rolling Stones, $20 to see > Rammstein, $35 for > Kiss, and $60 for Elton John. $44 to see Edgar & Co. > sounds like a deal. > > mike > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: syldolu@v... Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 10:22 am Subject: What about Montreal? Do anybody knows if TD will come in Montreal or Toronto on their next North American Tour? Also,i'm sure that someone could help:What is the story behind The Keep soundtrack?Wich one is the original? And what are the bootlegs? Another think,do someone would trade Spherical Harmonic 2 with me?I'm looking for the cdr with the bonus track at the end.I think i've got something to trade... Thanks Sylvie a.k.a. tangerine http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan NOTE:my page is under construction From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 2:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re:Iris/expensive/US club tour can of worms tei waz wrote: > Alright time to open a can of worms here--anyone have any idea what TD will > be touring the U.S. with? Is it Dream Mixes? or Inferno? both? something > else? I would be very surprised if the North American shows are much different from the one that they put on at S.B. All they'd have to do is bring Iris, a guitarist, and a couple of DAT tapes. The fans will dutifully show up no matter what they do, so why should they put themselves out? I suspect that music from Inferno will be played however...depending on just how 'experimental' it is. But if it's experimental like, say, 7 Letters From Tibet, I would urge them to stick with Dream Mixes stuff - lest they put the audience to sleep! - Sean Montgomery (who has temporarily lost his .sig file) From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 4:18 pm Subject: Re: Iris/expensive/US club tour can of worms Hi, tei! >Alright time to open a can of worms here--anyone have any idea what TD will >be touring the U.S. with? Is it Dream Mixes? or Inferno? both? something >else? Inferno!! It's gotta be....what else would they play in summer time :) ...Utch (who is booked for the Ventura, CA concert!) --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- A compromise is the art of dividing a cake in such a way that everyone believes he has the biggest piece. --Ludwig Erhard From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 5:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: woohoo--it's started....ticket prices ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Michael A Jean' > I don't think that's bad... My tix for Madonna and Sade in August were about > $100 each, with the price on Madonna going up to $250! ARE YOU ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS????????????? 250$ to see Madonna.........MAAANNN!!!!! I hope she sleeps well at night............ Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27732 Re: woohoo--it's started....ticket prices scfeldman@j... Tue 7/17/2001 3 KB 27734 Re: woohoo--it's started....ticket prices Marcel Engels Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB 27744 Re: woohoo--it's started....ticket prices Michael A Jean Wed 7/18/2001 3 KB 27737 Re: woohoo--it's started....ticket prices Poul Erik Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 3:37 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re club oriented tour with smaller venues I guess. I mean if there was demand for an arena-sized venue to fill, would they still want to play in a club setting, just with more dates? What's the largest audience TD has pulled in the US? Abroad? > -----Original Message----- > From: scfeldman@j... [mailto:scfeldman@j...] > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 5:11 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re club oriented tour with smaller venues > > > On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:37:30 -0600 'Daniel Hobrecht' > > writes: > > > >Cities listed on TD web site for dates so far: > >'Seattle, WA; Portland, OR; Anaheim, CA; Los Angeles, CA; > >Atlanta, GA; New York City; Philadelphia, PA; Pittsburgh, PA; > >Detroit, MI; Denver, CO;..... > >.and many more to come.....please note that this will be a more > >club oriented tour with smaller venues as usual (capacaties will > >go from 700 -1800 people). > > Because of their ever-shrinking fan base, I'm sure. > > Steven Feldman From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 3:35 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Iris at SBE 2001 thanks for the perspective, Chris. From the reports, it seemed as though she did nothing but frenetically jump up and down, sling her purple hair around and bang on bongos incessantly, overpowering everyone else the entire night. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Owen [mailto:chris@o...] > I think it's extremely unfair to say Iris did 'little more > than play bongos' > at SBE 2001. Irrespective of how you viewed her contribution > to the concert,... From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 2:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD webring? you know, that tangerinedreamxxx girl is really kinda nasty. I don't mean naughty; nasty I mean yukky nasty. but it would be funny except for making the webring an adults-only ring... > -----Original Message----- ... > > > Speaking of which, is tangerinedreamxxx.com allowed on the ring? > > LOL. > From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 3:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Star trooper & Twilight folder I don't see the relationship between a classical CD and concert material(?) > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] ... > >did you all see on the homepage that the Star trooper & > Twilight folder > >projects (which were announced AGES ago) have been deleted. > I wonder why.... > > > >Thomas > > > Dunno about the classical disc, but maybe EF realized his > heavily doctored > concert material wasn't selling? From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 3:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] isn't thatt kind of expensive?.... I paid $45 for Tom Petty a couple of years ago, only to be seated so far away I might as well be watching them on TV. I like the fact TD will play small venues, so in relative terms, it's a good deal. Of course, I could go see Foghat for free at the rib burn-off... ;-P How about those who pay to see Barbra Streisand? What are tickets? like $1000? > -----Original Message----- > From: spawnofcthulhu@w... [mailto:spawnofcthulhu@w...] .. > I payed $65 to see the Rolling Stones, $20 to see Rammstein, $35 for > Kiss, and $60 for Elton John. $44 to see Edgar & Co. sounds > like a deal. > > mike > > >>Isn't that kind of expensive? Or are >>concerts in the US generally > more >>pricey? Certainly sounds like another >>Fan Fleecing > exercise to From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 6:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD webring? I agree. Perhaps best left off the web ring. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD webring? > you know, that tangerinedreamxxx girl is really kinda nasty. I don't mean > naughty; nasty I mean yukky nasty. but it would be funny except for making > the webring an adults-only ring... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > ... > > > > > Speaking of which, is tangerinedreamxxx.com allowed on the ring? > > > > LOL. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: woohoo--it's started....ticket prices 'Re-sale' tickets are getting up to $3000.00 here in Boston for those who want to see Madonna badly. Steven Feldman On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:29:14 +0200 'PERGAMON' writes: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Michael A Jean' > > I don't think that's bad... My tix for Madonna and Sade in August > were about > > $100 each, with the price on Madonna going up to $250! > > ARE YOU ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS????????????? 250$ to see > Madonna.........MAAANNN!!!!! I hope she sleeps well at > night............ > > Jan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 7:13 pm Subject: OT: Rammstein Hi Tom -- I haven't seen Rammstein yet. The show is in a couple weeks in D.C. I'm not familiar with the venue, but I'm sure it won't be like Live Aus Berlin! I agree with you, I think Mutter is one of the best CDs I've heard in a while. I never thought I'd be this into another hard rock/metal type band (after my Iron Maiden days of the '80's) but these guys are great. They are the only 'harder' band I listen to (much more into Bowie and Exile On Mainstreet - era Stones, as well as TD, of course.) I love the lyrics, so unlike those of their American metal predecessors (look out, Lars & Co.!) After I read the translated lyrics to 'Spieluhr' I must have listened to that song 4 or 5 times in a row. The attitude is great, too. I love the way the guys stand at 'attention' when they're not playing, instead of bopping around like we used to. Later, mike >>tom george wrote: >>how was Rammstein Mike? i love their >>cds especially the new one 'Mutter'. i >>bet they are awesome live. tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27745 Re: OT: Rammstein :-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dust Wed 7/18/2001 2 KB 27748 Re: OT: Rammstein PENFOLD Wed 7/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 7:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: woohoo--it's started....ticket prices > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Michael A Jean' > > I don't think that's bad... My tix for Madonna and Sade in > August were about > > $100 each, with the price on Madonna going up to $250! > > ARE YOU ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS????????????? 250$ to see > Madonna.........MAAANNN!!!!! I hope she sleeps well at night............ Does that come with a blowjob or something...? Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27744 Re: woohoo--it's started....ticket prices Michael A Jean Wed 7/18/2001 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 7:55 pm Subject: test - please ignore This is a test of my e-mail. This is only a test. If this had been an actual e-mail it would have contained some amusing anecdote or interesting tidbit. Thank you for your attention (even though I asked you to ignore this!) From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 9:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Iris/expensive/US club tour can of worms I plan on going to Ventura and perhaps a few more in my area. Who else? I think it would be great if we all could meet up. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Utch Entel' To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 9:18 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Iris/expensive/US club tour can of worms > > ...Utch (who is booked for the Ventura, CA concert!) From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 10:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: woohoo--it's started....ticket prices Absolutely not, she has nightmares because she knows she could charge people a helluva lot more than that ! Poul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Michael A Jean' > > I don't think that's bad... My tix for Madonna and Sade in August were about > > $100 each, with the price on Madonna going up to $250! > > ARE YOU ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS????????????? 250$ to see Madonna.........MAAANNN!!!!! I hope she sleeps well at night............ > > Jan From: john@p... Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 9:17 am Subject: Re: isn't thatt kind of expensive?.... --- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote: > well the ticket prices are $25 and $35 for TD ventura--it got to $44 when > you figure in all the charges for ticketmaster OK, I cheerfuly withdraw any suggestion that TD are ripping anyone off. Not cheap, but not crazy either. Now Ticketmaster.... jc From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 10:47 pm Subject: re: inferno--summertime? >Inferno!! It's gotta be....what else would they play in summer time :) ...Utch (who is booked for the Ventura, CA concert!)< um, even in Ventura, November is NOT summer (but it still may be HELL) :) --tei who just realized that the Ventura show is at the start of a holiday weekend here in the states. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 10:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: isn't thatt kind of expensive?.... The price for each Ticket with TM's added cost is still within reason. Considering what you are getting $45 is a bargain. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:17 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: isn't thatt kind of expensive?.... > --- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote: > > > well the ticket prices are $25 and $35 for TD ventura--it got to > $44 when > > you figure in all the charges for ticketmaster > > OK, I cheerfuly withdraw any suggestion that TD are ripping anyone > off. Not cheap, but not crazy either. Now Ticketmaster.... > > jc > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 11:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re club oriented tour with smaller venues This concert tour of the USA has to cost them a small fortune. If they are playing smaller venues, there is no way they can make a profit for flying all there equipment overseas. Just my feeble minded 2 cents worth. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 5:10 PM Subject: [tadream] Re club oriented tour with smaller venues > On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:37:30 -0600 'Daniel Hobrecht' > writes: > > > >Cities listed on TD web site for dates so far: > >'Seattle, WA; Portland, OR; Anaheim, CA; Los Angeles, CA; > >Atlanta, GA; New York City; Philadelphia, PA; Pittsburgh, PA; > >Detroit, MI; Denver, CO;..... > >.and many more to come.....please note that this will be a more > >club oriented tour with smaller venues as usual (capacaties will > >go from 700 -1800 people). > > Because of their ever-shrinking fan base, I'm sure. > > Steven Feldman > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 11:33 pm Subject: buffalo, ny 10/24 onsale date TANGERINE DREAM Wed 10/24/01 8:00PM TRALF BUFFALO NY Internet Onsale: Thursday, July 19, 2001, 10:00AM www.ticketmaster.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27759 Re: buffalo, ny 10/24 onsale date Joe Shoults Wed 7/18/2001 2 KB 27761 Re: buffalo, ny 10/24 onsale date Sean Montgomery Wed 7/18/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 8:29 pm Subject: Homepage opticaldream.de Hi all TD fans, jump to my Tangerine dream Fan Homepage: www.opticaldream.de Thank you and all the best in the staates for the Tour from Heiko from Burg / Germany www.opticaldream.de ICQ: 124363478 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 1:26 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: woohoo--it's started....ticket prices I don't think so.... You would be surprised how fast they sold... I was the 8th person in line, the $250 tix were gone before they got to the second person... The $100 tix on the second night were the best I could get, and the seats aren;t even that great! MJ > -----Original Message-----on't > From: Marcel Engels [mailto:mengels@w...] > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:27 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: woohoo--it's started....ticket prices > > > > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Michael A Jean' > > > I don't think that's bad... My tix for Madonna and Sade in > > August were about > > > $100 each, with the price on Madonna going up to $250! > > > > ARE YOU ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS????????????? 250$ to see > > Madonna.........MAAANNN!!!!! I hope she sleeps well at night............ > > Does that come with a blowjob or something...? > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: :'-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk' Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 5:27 am Subject: Re: OT: Rammstein > >>how was Rammstein Mike? i love their >>cds especially the new one > 'Mutter'. i >>bet they are awesome live. tom They are, indeed, awesome live. I saw them a couple years ago. The stage is set up with platforms, in sort of a hexagonal arrangement, so you can see all six of them. During one song, the guy lights himself on fire. Intense. And very fun. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27748 Re: OT: Rammstein PENFOLD Wed 7/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 5:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Was isn't that kind of expensive?.... I remember 'having' to sit through a Ramstein session or two. 8-D Now playing Michael Oldfield's 'Tubular Bells 3' and up next is Eloy's 'Ocean 2' 8-D It's a...ll Good 8-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tom george' To: Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 7:01 PM Subject: re: [tadream] isn't thatt kind of expensive?.... > how was Rammstein Mike? i love their cds especially > the new one 'Mutter'. i bet they are awesome live. > tom > > > > --- spawnofcthulhu@w... wrote: > > I payed $65 to see the Rolling Stones, $20 to see > > Rammstein, $35 for > > Kiss, and $60 for Elton John. $44 to see Edgar & Co. > > sounds like a deal. > > > > mike > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 6:34 am Subject: capacities from 700-1800 people/US TD venue speculation >capacities from 700-1800 people San Francisco Bay area.... hmm this rules out both the warfield theatre--capacity 2500 and the berkeley community theatre--capacity 3419. the good news is that this opens up the possibility of san francisco's Maritime Hall (1800 capacity), The Fillmore (capacity 1149), the Herbst Theatre (985 capacity), or the 7th Note Showclub (770 capacity). It could even mean they could play Santa Cruz's the Catalyst--capacity 800 or maybe Palookaville. Having been to all of those except the Herbst Theatre--I'd be in favor of the Fillmore--such great musical history there and they have plenty of electricity, but virtually no seats. The Maritime Hall has a seated balcony and plenty of SRO on the floor and they book a lot of cool shows there. Plus, I'm pretty sure they have quadrophonic sound there--they did for The ORB. As for southern california--I suspect capacity overages rule out the Wiltern Theatre, but may leave open the House of Blues (HOB) on Sunset in Hollywood or the HOB in Anaheim or Anaheim's Sun Theatre (maybe too large) or possibly the Variety Arts Center in L.A.. As well as the Coach House in San Juan Capistrano--although it may be too small--not sure of the capacity. In San Diego, there's Humphrey's (capacity 1295 outdoors) or 4th and B (not sure of capacity). Anyway my next question--where will TD play on Halloween? New Orleans? Atlanta? --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27774 Re: capacities from 700-1800 people/US TD venue s Alan Benson Wed 7/18/2001 3 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 6:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT: Rammstein At 01.07.18 01:27, :'-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk' wrote: > > >>how was Rammstein Mike? i love their >>cds especially the new one > > 'Mutter'. i >>bet they are awesome live. tom > >They are, indeed, awesome live. > During one song, the guy lights himself on fire. Intense. And very fun. fire sounds cool PENFOLD the PROPANE mailto:penfold@a... The Difference between Men and Boys is the Dangerousness of their Toys! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Tue Jul 17, 2001 2:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris Just re-reading Paul Stump's excellent if wordy account of the band's origins, I wonder if the return to a more contemplative and other-worldly style (culminating in Mars Polaris and the Seven Letters, but already in evidence from Goblins' Club onwards) reflects Edgar's efforts - towards the end of his career and after a long phase of wrestling with the commercial side-shows of music production - to recover the philosophical underpinnings of Tangerine Dream. Maybe this is in fact an attempt, conscious or unconscious, to return to the foundations on which the group was built, and continue the work in a style adequate to the 21st century and the development the band has gone through since the early seventies. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 14 July 2001 22:04 Subject: [tadream] Mars Polaris > On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:57:16 -0600 'Frank Arellano' > writes: > > >[. . .] for me, in a way, the Mars Polaris release was TD > >returning to their roots of space music. Comments anyone? > > I find the three epic 9-10 minute tracks on MARS > POLARIS to be very much like TD's 15-22 minute blowouts of > the 70's and 80's, but more compact and sophisticated. > > Steven Feldman > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27751 Re: Mars Polaris Matthew Stringer Wed 7/18/2001 3 KB From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 7:58 am Subject: Re: Ventura, CA Concert >I plan on going to Ventura and perhaps a few more in my area. Who else? I >think it would be great if we all could meet up. > >Administrator for Kay-Net.com >admin@k... Since I'm not at all familiar with the area I imagine it is quite a mess getting around there in Ventura. Where would be the perfect meeting place? ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Remember, always tell the truth. Only the truth. But never the whole truth. --Unknown Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27767 Re: Ventura, CA Concert Whiteley, Steve Wed 7/18/2001 2 KB 27768 Re: Ventura, CA Concert Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 7/18/2001 3 KB 27831 Re: Ventura, CA Concert Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 7/20/2001 4 KB 27865 Re: Ventura, CA Concert Joe Shoults Mon 7/23/2001 2 KB 27867 Re: Ventura, CA Concert Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 7/23/2001 3 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 8:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris I'm always hearing how MP is a return to TD's roots, can someone explain how. Electronic Meditation was interesting, Phaedra was ground breaking, Stratosfear revealed the long dreamy music we came to love, Force majeur showed the need for a good rythm section, Poland perfected their style all the way up to Live Miles which was their final encore, nearly everything after has been a disapointment, full of directionless tunes that seem to serve only as album fillers. I like many of them but they don't seem to have the enthusiasm of the earlier stuff, MP came out and I have been too upset to buy anything since. Matt On Tuesday 17 July 2001 3:23 pm, Dennis Nigbur wrote: > Just re-reading Paul Stump's excellent if wordy account of the band's > origins, I wonder if the return to a more contemplative and other-worldly > style (culminating in Mars Polaris and the Seven Letters, but already in > evidence from Goblins' Club onwards) reflects Edgar's efforts - towards the > end of his career and after a long phase of wrestling with the commercial > side-shows of music production - to recover the philosophical underpinnings > of Tangerine Dream. Maybe this is in fact an attempt, conscious or > unconscious, to return to the foundations on which the group was built, and > continue the work in a style adequate to the 21st century and the > development the band has gone through since the early seventies. > From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 11:27 am Subject: Wallraff-affären I'd be happy if somebody could give me Info. on the Wallraff cd. It seems to be worth a lot; now is that because the music is good or only because the disc is rare? What is it actually, a bootleg, some kind of semi-boot like the Keep or just a legitimate very rare filmscore? /Olle np: Vollenweider - White winds From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 11:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Wallraff-affären If what you are talking about is ' L`affaire Wallraff ', then I think that most of the music on it is good , mostly a Haslinger album .I can only describe it as a mixture of Destination Berlin ,Optical Race with bits of Canyon Dreams ,Lily on the Beach etc . I didn`t know it was rare .How much is it worth ? Paul From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:27 PM Subject: [tadream] Wallraff-affären > > I'd be happy if somebody could give me Info. on the Wallraff cd. It seems to > be worth a lot; now is that because the music is good or only because the > disc is rare? > What is it actually, a bootleg, some kind of semi-boot like the Keep or just > a legitimate very rare filmscore? > > > /Olle > > np: Vollenweider - White winds > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: vic rek Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 12:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Wallraff-affären This is a wonderful CD (music-wise). As for it's rarity, the original release used to go for $50-75 at one time, but now the market has recently been flooded with pirate copies. You can see many of them on e-Bay. You can only tell them apart by the matrix numbers and playing quality. So if you want an original - ask by name and matrix number. Vic olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > I'd be happy if somebody could give me Info. on the Wallraff cd. It seems to > be worth a lot; now is that because the music is good or only because the > disc is rare? > What is it actually, a bootleg, some kind of semi-boot like the Keep or just > a legitimate very rare filmscore? > > /Olle > > np: Vollenweider - White winds > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Frank D Stephen III Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 12:38 pm Subject: TD in Buffalo?? If this is at all true I will personally take Edgar and Jerome out to see Niagara Falls (although I would bet they have seen it) and to have chicken wings (sorry we don't call them Buffalo Wings in Buffalo) or they can try some Beef on Weck (that's a roast beef sandwich on a salted hard roll with horseradish). The closest they ever got was Toronto (at least 3 times) but I was never able to see them. The Tralf is a great venue for a show, but I would bet it holds less than 500, if everybody stands. TANGERINE DREAM Wed 10/24/01 8:00PM TRALF BUFFALO NY Internet Onsale: Thursday, July 19, 2001, 10:00AM www.ticketmaster.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27775 Re: TD in Buffalo?? Antonio Nunes Wed 7/18/2001 2 KB 27776 Re: TD in Buffalo?? Feldon Feldon Wed 7/18/2001 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 2:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 956 I agree. If nothing else, I'm sure the S.B. material will be a starting point, but who knows? As for guitar... well, Edgar plays guitar, and so does Jerome. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple Apple notebooks, instead of the old G3s or whatever it was that they travelled with at the time, now that the new generation of notebooks is finally powerful enough to make it happen. Was anyone there at the S.B. concert? How was the setup? It's interesting to me from a technical perspective since people like Mike Rutherford, Bjork, and even (I believe) Depeche Mode are going the notebook route. It may sound kind of bad, but I think it's cool. Imagine T.D. being onstage with basically their entire studio inside the notebook (e.g. Cubase). The Prophets, the Minimoogs, the PPGs, the Mellotrons, the drum machines... it's all there inside the notebook. The sonic power of all the stuff you see, for example, on the cover of logos, all on the notebook. I think that's exciting because in that kind of situation anything is possible. I'm curious whether they're actually going to go to the trouble of taking advantage of that. Now, if all they're doing is popping in the song files, hitting play and jamming along, now that's not so exciting. Just my thoughts... In a message dated 7/17/2001 2:26:47 PM Central Daylight Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > I would be very surprised if the North American shows are much different from > the one that they put on at S.B. All they'd have to do is bring Iris, a > guitarist, and a couple of DAT tapes. The fans will dutifully show up no > matter > what they do, so why should they put themselves out? I suspect that music > from > Inferno will be played however...depending on just how 'experimental' it is. > But if it's experimental like, say, 7 Letters From Tibet, I would urge them > to > stick with Dream Mixes stuff - lest they put the audience to sleep! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27757 Re: Digest Number 956 john@p... Wed 7/18/2001 2 KB From: john@p... Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 1:34 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 956 --- In tadream@y..., Liondream@a... wrote: > It may sound kind of bad, but I think it's cool. Imagine T.D. being > onstage with basically their entire studio inside the notebook Yeah, as long as the notebook has a CD drive, that'll work just fine. > Now, if all they're doing is popping in the song files, hitting > play and jamming along, now that's not so exciting. Jamming along? You wish! jc From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 12:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] woohoo--it's started.... How did you find out the venue so quickly? is it posted somewhere? I need to know how to buy tickets for Atlanta, Georgia. Vic? Help! I don't want to be too late and miss out this time. Also, a bit of local knowledge is needed, like a good hotel nearby, maybe a place to meet, etc. Reply off list, please: outlanda60@h... or aoutland@a... 8-) Dell >From: 'tei waz' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com, tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com, >teiwazbarana@h... >Subject: [tadream] woohoo--it's started.... >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:04:03 -0700 > >You have purchased 1 ticket(s) for: > > LIMITED SEATING AVAILABLE > TANGERINE DREAM > AT > THE VENTURA THEATRE > 26 S. CHESTNUT,VENTURA > FRI NOV 9, 2001 7:00PM > > Your Event: > TANGERINE DREAM > Venue: > VENTURA THEATRE > Date & Time: > Friday, November 09, > 2001 7:00PM > City > VENTURA > State: > CA > Your Tickets: > SECTION GA, > # of Tickets: > 1 > Total Paid: > 44.55 > Delivery Method: > Mail > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27801 Re: woohoo--it's started.... Deb H-J Thu 7/19/2001 4 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 2:45 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] buffalo, ny 10/24 onsale date buffalo??? maybe they're trying to pull in people from Toronto, too. Sean - it's not a far drive to drive to Buffalo? interesting: Ticketmaster has Tangerine Dream under the category 'Alternative Rock' > -----Original Message----- > TANGERINE DREAM > Wed 10/24/01 8:00PM > TRALF > BUFFALO NY > Internet Onsale: Thursday, July 19, 2001, 10:00AM > www.ticketmaster.com From: tweibre361@a... Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 957 In a message dated 7/18/01 04:45:53 Eastern Daylight Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: << Michael A Jean' > > I don't think that's bad... My tix for Madonna and Sade in > August were about > > $100 each, with the price on Madonna going up to $250! > > ARE YOU ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS????????????? 250$ to see > Madonna.........MAAANNN!!!!! I hope she sleeps well at night............ >> guess you guys havent checked out the U2 or Roxy Music prices... tom w np: King Size Dub Chapter 7 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27788 Re: Digest Number 957 Frank D Stephen III Thu 7/19/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 3:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] buffalo, ny 10/24 onsale date Joe Shoults wrote: > buffalo??? maybe they're trying to pull in people from Toronto, too. Sean > - it's not a far drive to drive to Buffalo? Buffalo is about a two hour drive away. But if Buffalo is the closest that TD comes to Toronto on this tour (which would be a stupid move on their part, given the much larger market and concentration of major media here), I won't be going. In fact, I still haven't decided if I'd bother going if they *do* play in Toronto. Maybe if it's on a weeknight and I don't have to drag my girlfriend along. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 3:28 pm Subject: Walraff Thanks for the Wallraff Info.. Paul L asked: >I didn`t know it was rare .How much is it worth ? Well, actually I didn't know that it is rare either, I only assumed it because of the money people want for it. Vic mentioned a price- span that very well matches what I have experienced. /Olle From: ampmusic Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 4:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] buffalo girls What do you mean, DRAG your girlfriend along? All girlfriends should feel pleased and privileged to be taken to see TD :-) Back in the 1980's when the band held all-time loudest volume records for some venues (something to do with not having to worry about microphones feeding back, I suppose) mine was found to be deeply asleep during a particularly heavy passage. Given the current musical output that would be understandable. But back then, it seemed something of an achievement :-) JOKE; Q; Why is the number of fans of electronic music decreasing? A: Because most of them haven't got a girlfriend, so they can't reproduce. Sean Montgomery wrote; > ...I won't be going. In fact, I still haven't decided if I'd bother going if > they *do* play > in Toronto. Maybe if it's on a weeknight and I don't have to drag my girlfriend > along. > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27764 Re: buffalo girls Utch Entel Wed 7/18/2001 2 KB 27784 Re: buffalo girls Armin Theissen Thu 7/19/2001 2 KB 27765 Re: buffalo girls glynn_naughton@h... Wed 7/18/2001 2 KB 27766 Re: buffalo girls ampmusic Wed 7/18/2001 3 KB 27802 Re: buffalo girls Scott Thu 7/19/2001 2 KB 27806 Re: buffalo girls Greg Fri 7/20/2001 2 KB 28256 Re: buffalo girls Utch Entel Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 4:02 pm Subject: Re: buffalo girls >JOKE; >Q; Why is the number of fans of electronic music decreasing? >A: Because most of them haven't got a girlfriend, so they can't reproduce. Ha!! I love that one! When I met my wife (of 11 years) she had never heard of EM, etc, et al. It's been a few years in the making, but I believe she'd prefer almost *anything* TD than the average slop dished out on the radio stations of Northern Arizona. As for our 7 year old daughter; well, it's hard to believe she'd pick Brittany Spears over TD, Jean Michel Jarre or Cusco, but she does surprise me with as much favor she gives to my bent of preferences. :=O ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Cynicism is knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing. --Oscar Wilde Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27784 Re: buffalo girls Armin Theissen Thu 7/19/2001 2 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 4:13 pm Subject: Re: buffalo girls >Back in the 1980's when the band held all-time loudest volume >records for some venues (something to do with not having to worry >about microphones feedingback, I suppose) mine was found to be >deeply asleep during a particularly heavy passage. Yeah, and when we had a backstage get-together with Edgar back in '97, his first answer to nearly every question was 'Huh?' Bet he regrets breaking those volume level records now... Glynn From: ampmusic Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: buffalo girls Of course there are some honourable exceptions like Utch :-)) Another one; Q; Why is the readership of home organ magazines decreasing? A; Because the readers keep dying. Except that one's not a joke, and was told to me in all seriousness by the editor of a home organ magazine. So things could be worse... : -) Utch Entel wrote: > >JOKE; > >Q; Why is the number of fans of electronic music decreasing? > >A: Because most of them haven't got a girlfriend, so they can't reproduce. > > Ha!! I love that one! When I met my wife (of 11 years) she had never heard of EM, etc, et al. It's been a few years in the making, but I believe > she'd prefer almost *anything* TD than the average slop dished out on the radio stations of Northern Arizona. As for our 7 year old daughter; well, > it's hard to believe she'd pick Brittany Spears over TD, Jean Michel Jarre or Cusco, but she does surprise me with as much favor she gives to my > bent of preferences. :=O > > ...Utch From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 4:21 pm Subject: Re: Ventura, CA Concert Ventura has to be one of the easiest places to see a concert. A huge park on the next block with a big old tree and historic cannons. The beach is about 1/2 mile away, beach campgrouds, several hotels, resturants and bars. My favorite being Eric Ericsons on the pier, as long as its not windy you can sit outside have some food and drink, watch the sunset over the channel islands, walk back to the concert hall. I would love to meet up with TD fans, add my name to the list. >I plan on going to Ventura and perhaps a few more in my area. Who else? I >think it would be great if we all could meet up. > >Administrator for Kay-Net.com >admin@k... Since I'm not at all familiar with the area I imagine it is quite a mess getting around there in Ventura. Where would be the perfect meeting place? ...Utch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ventura, CA Concert We need someone to gather this together then make a plan. I will be coming from Antelope Valley area (Lancaster). Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Whiteley, Steve' To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 9:21 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Ventura, CA Concert > Ventura has to be one of the easiest places to see a concert. A huge park on > the next block with a big old tree and historic cannons. The beach is about > 1/2 mile away, beach campgrouds, several hotels, resturants and bars. My > favorite being Eric Ericsons on the pier, as long as its not windy you can > sit outside have some food and drink, watch the sunset over the channel > islands, walk back to the concert hall. > > I would love to meet up with TD fans, add my name to the list. > > >I plan on going to Ventura and perhaps a few more in my area. Who else? I > >think it would be great if we all could meet up. > > > >Administrator for Kay-Net.com > >admin@k... > > Since I'm not at all familiar with the area I imagine it is quite a mess > getting around there in Ventura. Where would be the perfect meeting place? > > ...Utch > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 2:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Wallraff-affären - TD Webring Hi all About l'affaire Walraff, if someone want an original CD (EMI France) i've got one copy to trade. About the webring, I think a webring is the easiest way to be conected to every relative TD sites. The Vangelis one is working very well and we could use the same technique to create the TD one. We also could create a Trader webpage where everyone who wants to trade TD items can post an annoucement. Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... ----- Message d'origine ----- De : vic rek Ŕ : Envoyé : mercredi 18 juillet 2001 13:35 Objet : Re: [tadream] Wallraff-affären > This is a wonderful CD (music-wise). As for it's rarity, the original release > used to go for $50-75 at one time, but now the market has recently been flooded > with pirate copies. You can see many of them on e-Bay. You can only tell them > apart by the matrix numbers and playing quality. So if you want an original - > ask by name and matrix number. > > Vic > > olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > > > I'd be happy if somebody could give me Info. on the Wallraff cd. It seems to > > be worth a lot; now is that because the music is good or only because the > > disc is rare? > > What is it actually, a bootleg, some kind of semi-boot like the Keep or just > > a legitimate very rare filmscore? > > > > /Olle > > > > np: Vollenweider - White winds > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27771 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5Btadream=5D_Wallraff-aff=E4r Paul Lawler Wed 7/18/2001 2 KB 27772 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5Btadream=5D_Wallraff-aff=E4r E Neal Frost Wed 7/18/2001 2 KB From: antics@h... Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 6:26 pm Subject: Ventura highway. Hello unto you. I'm going to be at the Ventura live action - it's where I spent most of my formative years. There's normally nothing too fab and poptastic at the Ventura Theatre but I shall have to go back home again for this one. Relatedly, a colleague told me he recently had dinner at Peter Baumann's house in Malibu. Peter does producing for Yanni and Vangelis these days, so I'm told, and may show up at this Tangerine Dream live action. One never knows. Regards, David Cotner, \\\ http://www.hertz-lion.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27782 Re: Ventura highway. Synthhtnys@a... Thu 7/19/2001 2 KB 27783 Re: Ventura highway. Synthhtnys@a... Thu 7/19/2001 2 KB 27786 Re: Ventura highway. glynn_naughton@h... Thu 7/19/2001 2 KB 27787 Re: Ventura highway. glynn_naughton@h... Thu 7/19/2001 2 KB 27789 Re: Ventura highway. ampmusic Thu 7/19/2001 3 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Wallraff-affären - TD Webring Speaking of rare CDs ,is 'Dead Solid Perfect' rare ? I never see it anywhere . Paul From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 7:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Wallraff-affären - TD Webring Keep checking ebay. It shows up there from time to time. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Lawler' To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Wallraff-affären - TD Webring > Speaking of rare CDs ,is 'Dead Solid Perfect' rare ? I never see it anywhere > . > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 7:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Wallraff-affären - TD Webring Paul Lawler wrote: > > Speaking of rare CDs ,is 'Dead Solid Perfect' rare ? I never see it anywhere I've ordered it a few years ago from Gema Records UK, and their latest catalogue (Summer 2001) still includes this CD, for Ł11.50 Antonio From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 7:38 pm Subject: Re: capacities from 700-1800 people/US TD venue speculation teiwaz wrote (excerpt): >> capacities from 700-1800 people > San Francisco Bay area.... > hmm this rules out both the warfield theatre-- > capacity 2500 and the berkeley community > theatre--capacity 3419. Yikes! ~lol~ Now wondering if they will stretch the limit for the last concert venue(s) of the tour (Los Angeles, San Francisco, or Berkeley, etc.). ~lol~ Hey -- I'm *always* hopeful! :-) > the good news is that this opens up the possibility of > san francisco's Maritime Hall (1800 capacity), The > Fillmore (capacity 1149), the Herbst Theatre (985 > capacity), or the 7th Note Showclub (770 capacity). Good job teiwaz! :-) BTW: Internet search found The Tralf (Buffalo, NY), 10.24.01 listed at 400 seating capacity, but several reports indicated that double or triple that were in attendance and the Birchmere Theater (Alexandria, VA), 10.25.01 at 500. So, many Tadream members have all placed their proverbial two cents... The long and short of it is -- we desperately need a watering hole before the Ventura event! ~ROFL~ Suggestions? Best Always, -- Al (Berkeley, CA) PS: Just added a scan of the Ventura Theater TD concert ticket(s) on the Yahoo Groups Tadream webpage under 'files' (Ventura TD.jpg). ;-) NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 7:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD in Buffalo?? Frank D Stephen III wrote: > > If this is at all true I will personally take Edgar and Jerome out to see > Niagara Falls (although I would bet they have seen it) and to have chicken > wings (sorry we don't call them Buffalo Wings in Buffalo) or they can try > some Beef on Weck (that's a roast beef sandwich on a salted hard roll with > horseradish). Aren't they vegetarians? Antonio np: Dead Solid Perfect Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27776 Re: TD in Buffalo?? Feldon Feldon Wed 7/18/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 7:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD in Buffalo?? At 08:41 PM 7/18/2001 +0100, you wrote: >Frank D Stephen III wrote: > > > > If this is at all true I will personally take Edgar and Jerome out to see > > Niagara Falls (although I would bet they have seen it) and to have chicken > > wings (sorry we don't call them Buffalo Wings in Buffalo) or they can try > > some Beef on Weck (that's a roast beef sandwich on a salted hard roll with > > horseradish). > > >Aren't they vegetarians? Definately. Fried Green Tomatoes and Vegetarian Lasagna with sliced Texas Peaches as a garnish are in order. From: horrod6 Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 9:04 pm Subject: RE: Re: Iris at SBE 2001 Joe said: 'thanks for the perspective, Chris. From the reports, it seemed as though she did nothing but frenetically jump up and down, sling her purple hair around and bang on bongos incessantly, overpowering everyone else the entire night.' Personally, I don't think that's a fair summation. Yes, the percussion was way to far forward in the mix, but it certainly added to the 'danceability' of what we heard. If the mixer had done their job properly, it wouldn't have been irritating at all IMHO. Iris did a lot more than bang on the bongos - I'd say she's a pretty talented percussionist, and she certainly played a wide variety of instruments. And she _definitely_ added to the 'watchability': in fact, without her there would have been no signs of life on the stage for pretty much the entire show. And I'm sure you guys will appreciate her wriggling _much_ more than I did . LnH Marion From: GCall10692@a... Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 10:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Will T D play at Philadelphia Can someone please let me know if Tangerine Dream is going to play in Philidelphia at the Tower again or maybe Atlantic City N.J. please email me thanks GRC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 2:16 am Subject: Macula Transfer I've been listening to MACULA TRANSFER for the first time and I found it to be pretty good. I particularly liked the first track along with all the mellotron samples throughout the CDR. I recognized a lot of them from first hearing Mr. Engels play them. 8-) Up next is Ashra's 'Best Of The Private Tapes' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27785 Re: Macula Transfer Armin Theissen Thu 7/19/2001 2 KB 27797 Re: Macula Transfer Feldon Feldon Thu 7/19/2001 2 KB From: vic rek Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 4:31 am Subject: Conrad Schnitzler I asked Conrad Schnitzler (on TD's first album - Electronic Meditation) if he had any recordings of the group back from the late 1960's. Here is an excerpt of his reply: > ABOUT Tangerine Dream > UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE'NT GOT ANY OLD TAPES.WE WERE POOR AND HAD NO > POSSIBILITIES TO RECORD THE CONCERTS. > There you go. Vic From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 6:00 am Subject: RE: Wallraff -affären Hi Olle and all others, the Wallraff CD that you found at this moment on ebay or other auction channels they are all Bootlegs, with the Matrix Number: M7E4 7956172 , and the cover looks like brand new. The Music on the CD has many breaks see track 2 and so on. Look also under www.opticaldream.de for this. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de From: olle.rundgren@s... Subject: Wallraff-affären I'd be happy if somebody could give me Info. on the Wallraff cd. It seems to be worth a lot; now is that because the music is good or only because the disc is rare? What is it actually, a bootleg, some kind of semi-boot like the Keep or just a legitimate very rare filmscore? /Olle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 6:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ventura highway. Relatedly, a colleague told me he recently had dinner at Peter Baumann's house in Malibu. NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Thud.) Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 6:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ventura highway. 'Relatedly, a colleague told me he recently had dinner at Peter Baumann's house in Malibu.' NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > *Hmmm it didn't include the 'Peter is now producing Yanni' excerpt thereby rendering my punchline moot... DOH! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 7:47 am Subject: Re: buffalo girls Think I'm lucky. My girlfriend loves TD. 'Tournado' in the car over and over again, and 'Phaedra' as well! a. --- In tadream@y..., 'Utch Entel' wrote: > >JOKE; > >Q; Why is the number of fans of electronic music decreasing? > >A: Because most of them haven't got a girlfriend, so they can't reproduce. > > Ha!! I love that one! When I met my wife (of 11 years) she had never heard of EM, etc, et al. It's been a few years in the making, but I believe > she'd prefer almost *anything* TD than the average slop dished out on the radio stations of Northern Arizona. As for our 7 year old daughter; well, > it's hard to believe she'd pick Brittany Spears over TD, Jean Michel Jarre or Cusco, but she does surprise me with as much favor she gives to my > bent of preferences. :=O > > ...Utch > > > --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- > > Cynicism is knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing. --Oscar Wilde From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 7:50 am Subject: Re: Macula Transfer what do you mean with 'mellotron *samples*'??? Its a *real* mellotron! ;-) a. --- In tadream@y..., 'Frank Arellano' wrote: > > I've been listening to MACULA TRANSFER for the first time and I found it > to be pretty good. I particularly liked the first track along with all the > mellotron samples throughout the CDR. I recognized a lot of them from first > hearing Mr. Engels play them. 8-) > > Up next is Ashra's 'Best Of The Private Tapes' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27797 Re: Macula Transfer Feldon Feldon Thu 7/19/2001 2 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 12:43 pm Subject: Re: Ventura highway. Subject: Ventura highway. >Relatedly, a colleague told me he recently had dinner at Peter >Baumann's house in Malibu. Peter does producing for Yanni and >Vangelis these days, so I'm told, and may show up at this Tangerine >Dream live action. > > One never knows. > > >Regards, > >David Cotner, You'd probably not recognise him. There don't seem to be any pictures of him since about the mid-80s - a loooonnngggg time ago. As an example, I guarantee that anyone who hasn't seen a picture of Peter Gabriel since the _So_ album era in the early 90s would struggle to recognise him. He popped up over the millenium on TV back in the UK and I was stunned. I would never have known it was him unless the show had identified him. He looks about 70. Maybe time has been equally cruel to Baumann... Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27787 Re: Ventura highway. glynn_naughton@h... Thu 7/19/2001 2 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 12:44 pm Subject: Re: Ventura highway. Sorry, that should of course be the _Us_ album era in the early 1990s. From: Frank D Stephen III Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 2:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 957 TaDreamers!! Well, I got my tix!! TD in Buffalo, never thought I'd see it!! My offer still stands...Wings or Beef on Weck for Edgar and Jerome. Although I do believe they are vegetarians and would greatfully decline. You have purchased 2 ticket(s) for: OVER 18 SHOW TANGERINE DREAM *** THE TRALF 622 MAIN ST, BUFFALO WED OCT 24 2001 8PM Your Event: TANGERINE DREAM Venue: TRALF Date & Time: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:00PM City BUFFALO State: NY Your Tickets: SECTION GA1, # of Tickets: 2 From: ampmusic Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 3:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ventura highway. I spoke to Baumann about 10 years ago and he sounded fine and supplied a press photo of himself looking devastatingly handsome. But like Michael Hoenig he had developed a bizarre German/North American accent which made him sound like some kind of mad professor. No stranger than Sheena Easton's Scottish/American accent though I suppose :-) More recently I was told he spent most of his time playing golf, so Malibu sounds like an ideal location :-) glynn_naughton@h... wrote: > Subject: Ventura highway. > > >Relatedly, a colleague told me he recently had dinner at Peter > >Baumann's house in Malibu. Peter does producing for Yanni and > >Vangelis these days, so I'm told, and may show up at this Tangerine > >Dream live action. > > > > One never knows. > > > > > >Regards, > > > >David Cotner, > > You'd probably not recognise him. There don't seem to be any pictures > of him since about the mid-80s - a loooonnngggg time ago. > > As an example, I guarantee that anyone who hasn't seen a picture of > Peter Gabriel since the _So_ album era in the early 90s would > struggle to recognise him. He popped up over the millenium on TV back > in the UK and I was stunned. I would never have known it was him > unless the show had identified him. He looks about 70. Maybe time has > been equally cruel to Baumann... > > Glynn > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 2:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 959 I have EMI made in France. Also have Quinoa original TD Club version autographed and Babylon 5 original release autographed - Klemania too, I think. These things are worth something? I'll have to check the matrix number on Wallraff, but I'm sure it's 'real.' I bought it ages ago at a 'real' record store. Why wouldn't it be real? The music is okay, but I didn't think it was something that would make it worth that much. It's similar to other stuff from that time period. Don't remember - haven't listened to it in forever. Wes <<< Hi Olle and all others, the Wallraff CD that you found at this moment on ebay or other auction channels they are all Bootlegs, with the Matrix Number: M7E4 7956172 , and the cover looks like brand new. The Music on the CD has many breaks see track 2 and so on. Look also under www.opticaldream.de for this. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de From: olle.rundgren@s... Subject: Wallraff-affären I'd be happy if somebody could give me Info. on the Wallraff cd. It seems to be worth a lot; now is that because the music is good or only because the disc is rare? What is it actually, a bootleg, some kind of semi-boot like the Keep or just a legitimate very rare filmscore?>>> From: RJF Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 4:05 pm Subject: Re: Dreamweavers Tales This is a message to those who contacted me regarding having copies of Dreamweavers Tales. I've lost all of your email addresses so please get in touch with me. Cheers -- Richard From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 4:34 pm Subject: >expensive? Buffalo tickets for TD face value $20--looks like a bargain to me. --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 5:49 pm Subject: um, er, what was I doing? (clean up on tasks I owe people) this e-mail started as just asking for whom I was supposed to put links to gig on tadream.net. But I think I also owe a couple of people in trades, as well, so I might as well kill two birds with one stone. sorry for my incredible disorganization! 1) I want to help promote member's gigs by placing info at http://www.tadream.net. I may have already told you I would do this, but please, one more time, e-mail me with the info you want included. I'm not talking about the Musos page (http://www.tadream.net/musos), but the home page. I got Marcel's 10/13 gig info up already (Poly - was that you?) 2) If I owe you ANYTHING, in a trade or otherwise, please let me know; I want to clear up these debts. maiil me offlist. Thanks! Joe Shoults Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27795 Re: um, er, what was I doing? (clean up on tasks Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 7/19/2001 3 KB 27796 Re: um, er, what was I doing? (clean up on tasks Joe Shoults Thu 7/19/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 5:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Macula Transfer LOL's, Armin 8-) You're right 8-) Well anyways, I love the sounds that can come from the mellotron! 8-) Up next I have Eric van der Heijden's 'Universal Time Zone'. This is a very nice CD, definitely with leanings towards the melodic EM side, highly recommended as is his other release 'Da Capo'. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:50 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Macula Transfer > > what do you mean with 'mellotron *samples*'??? Its a *real* > mellotron! > > ;-) > > a. > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Frank Arellano' wrote: > > > > I've been listening to MACULA TRANSFER for the first time and I > found it > > to be pretty good. I particularly liked the first track along with > all the > > mellotron samples throughout the CDR. I recognized a lot of them > from first > > hearing Mr. Engels play them. 8-) > > > > Up next is Ashra's 'Best Of The Private Tapes' > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 6:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] um, er, what was I doing? (clean up on tasks I owe people) Hate to tell you this... the links to the Dreamwatcher's Tales don't work... Can you e-mail the details as I am interested in getting a few copies myself. I may also like to add to it. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: [tadream] um, er, what was I doing? (clean up on tasks I owe people) > this e-mail started as just asking for whom I was supposed to put links to > gig on tadream.net. But I think I also owe a couple of people in trades, as > well, so I might as well kill two birds with one stone. sorry for my > incredible disorganization! > > 1) I want to help promote member's gigs by placing info at > http://www.tadream.net. I may have already told you I would do this, but > please, one more time, e-mail me with the info you want included. I'm not > talking about the Musos page (http://www.tadream.net/musos), but the home > page. I got Marcel's 10/13 gig info up already (Poly - was that you?) > > 2) If I owe you ANYTHING, in a trade or otherwise, please let me know; I > want to clear up these debts. maiil me offlist. > > Thanks! > Joe Shoults > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 6:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] um, er, what was I doing? (clean up on tasks I owe people) thanks; I happen to be working on it right now.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 2:07 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] um, er, what was I doing? (clean up on tasks I > owe people) > > > Hate to tell you this... the links to the Dreamwatcher's > Tales don't work... > Can you e-mail the details as I am interested in getting a few copies > myself. I may also like to add to it. > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com From: Feldon Feldon Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 6:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Macula Transfer Edgar's is a real mellotron, but I assure you the samples used at Okefenokee were so close, I was tingly all over. -Morgan At 07:50 AM 7/19/2001 +0000, you wrote: >what do you mean with 'mellotron *samples*'??? Its a *real* >mellotron! > >;-) > >a. > >--- In tadream@y..., 'Frank Arellano' wrote: > > > > I've been listening to MACULA TRANSFER for the first time and I >found it > > to be pretty good. I particularly liked the first track along with >all the > > mellotron samples throughout the CDR. I recognized a lot of them >from first > > hearing Mr. Engels play them. 8-) From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 7:55 pm Subject: RE: RE: [tadream] um, er, what was I doing? (clean up on tasks I owe people) Joe wrote (keeping all of *us* informed): >> thanks; I happen to be working on it right now.... Hey Joe! ~lol~ I was wondering what happened to some of the Tadream links on the webpage... :-) I wrote this in my ~Marspolaris~ 'About Me' eBay page (now finally bookmarked as 'Al's little slice of TD heaven ~lol~') in the Yahoo Groups Tadream in regards to 'Favorite Links': >> 'Note: Sometimes the Nakamichi and Tadream websites >> are down (listed below in 'Favorite Links'). Just be patient >> as these wonderful webpages finally reload... :-)' Hehehe... Anyway, just contact me off lists... I lost *all* of your ICQ info, etc. :-( Best Regards, -- Al (Berkeley, CA) ICQ #38105655 ~Malthrope~ PS: Hope that I don't owe you anything! :-) I'll be working on my overdue TD backlog now that I have the money problem solved. Just think of me like the TD diehard turtle. A bit slow (understatement), but 'Boy!' when he delivers... ~lol~ NP: 'The Keep' *fake* ~ROFLMAO~ NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 8:54 pm Subject: The (fake) Keep Hi Al, I haven't written in a while. How have things been going with your workman's comp? I was wondering about this Keep thing being a fake or not a fake. I'm assuming the one you mentioned: > NP: 'The Keep' *fake* ~ROFLMAO~ is the one that everyone's been talking about. I've asekd around, and the consensus is that it is fake, and since the names are taken right off the bootleg I tend to agree it seems likely. But the real test is: Is it the same music as on the boots (i.e. not a single new note anywhere)? Thanks for the info (Enquiring Minds want to know!) James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27800 Re: The (fake) Keep Owens, James Thu 7/19/2001 2 KB 27804 Re: The (fake) Keep Alan Benson Thu 7/19/2001 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 9:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The (fake) Keep OOPPSS! That was supposed to go directly to Al (do NOT post to the list, do NOT collect $200) > -----Original Message----- > Hi Al, > > I haven't written in a while. How have things been going with your > workman's comp? > > I was wondering about this Keep thing being a fake or not a fake. I'm > assuming the one you mentioned: > > > NP: 'The Keep' *fake* ~ROFLMAO~ > > is the one that everyone's been talking about. I've asekd > around, and the > consensus is that it is fake, and since the names are taken > right off the > bootleg I tend to agree it seems likely. But the real test > is: Is it the > same music as on the boots (i.e. not a single new note anywhere)? > > Thanks for the info > (Enquiring Minds want to know!) > > James From: Deb H-J Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 9:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] woohoo--it's started.... Adele: > How did you find out the venue so quickly? is it > posted somewhere? I need to > know how to buy tickets for Atlanta, Georgia. Vic? > Help! I don't want to be > too late and miss out this time. Ditto! When and where are they playing in Atlanta? I've not been able to find out (yet). I'm not worried about where to stay, just when. Any help would be appreciated! Adios, Deb H-J dhj4@y... --- Adele Outland wrote: Also, a bit of > local knowledge is needed, > like a good hotel nearby, maybe a place to meet, > etc. Reply off list, > please: outlanda60@h... or aoutland@a... > 8-) Dell > > > >From: 'tei waz' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com, > tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com, > >teiwazbarana@h... > >Subject: [tadream] woohoo--it's started.... > >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:04:03 -0700 > > > >You have purchased 1 ticket(s) for: > > > > LIMITED SEATING AVAILABLE > > TANGERINE DREAM > > AT > > THE VENTURA THEATRE > > 26 S. CHESTNUT,VENTURA > > FRI NOV 9, 2001 7:00PM > > > > Your Event: > > TANGERINE DREAM > > Venue: > > VENTURA THEATRE > > Date & Time: > > Friday, November 09, > > 2001 7:00PM > > City > > VENTURA > > State: > > CA > > Your Tickets: > > SECTION GA, > > # of Tickets: > > 1 > > Total Paid: > > 44.55 > > Delivery Method: > > Mail > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Scott' Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 9:50 pm Subject: Re: buffalo girls >Ha!! I love that one! When I met my wife (of 11 years) she had never heard of EM, etc, et al. It's been a few >years in the making, but I believe >she'd prefer almost *anything* TD than the average slop dished out on the radio stations of Northern >Arizona. As for our 7 year old daughter; well, >it's hard to believe she'd pick Brittany Spears over TD, Jean Michel Jarre or Cusco, but she does surprise >me with as much favor she gives to my >bent of preferences. :=O My old lady's been to two TD shows with me: '88 and '92, and she still loves me! As for kids, my 9-year-old like Weird Al and Dave Matthews. Scott From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 10:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] woohoo--it's started.... Hehehe.... Deb H-J wrote: > Ditto! When and where are they playing in Atlanta? > I've not been able to find out (yet). I'm not worried > about where to stay, just when. > > Any help would be appreciated! > > Adios, > > Deb H-J > dhj4@y... OK -- I confess I wrote to Adele privately... Here is the Ticketmaster web link for all TD concerts in the USA: http://www.ticketmaster.com/cgi/artist1.idc?actname=TANGERINE_DREAM&MajorCATID=1\ 0001&MinorCATID=60 Got it? ;-) Best Always, -- Al (Berkeley, CA) NP: 'The Keep' *fake* backwards on monopoly board! ~lol~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 10:34 pm Subject: RE: RE: [tadream] The (fake) Keep Hehehe... ~lol~ James (quickly) wrote: > OOPPSS! > > That was supposed to go directly to Al (do > NOT post to the list, do NOT collect $200) >> -----Original Message----- >> Hi Al, >> >> I haven't written in a while.<< >> >> I was wondering about this Keep thing being a fake >> or not a fake. I'm assuming the one you mentioned: >> >>> NP: 'The Keep' *fake* ~ROFLMAO~ >> >> is the one that everyone's been talking about. I've asekd >> around, and the consensus is that it is fake, and since the >> names are taken right off the bootleg I tend to agree it >> seems likely. But the real tests: Is it the same music as >> on the boots (i.e. not a single new note anywhere)? >> >> Thanks for the info >> (Enquiring Minds want to know!) _________________________________________ Gosh! I haven't played 'Monopoly' in a long time! Yes, it's a fake... Can't detect one bloody *single* note that I've *never* heard before... ~ROFL~ Think Steven Feldman wrote the definitive answer (of course!) when it first surfaced (on the TDI guestbook of all places!) in the tangerinedream newsgroup (I think). Guess I'll write to *you* privately as well... :-))) Best Always, -- Al (Berkeley, CA) NP: Something TD rare, something TD old... [Pound for pound -- TD ~live in 1976 is simply unbeatable!] Or, the TD diehard alternative version: [Al calls Bruce... First thing that Bruce says: 'OK -- cut the crap -- what's he got in '76?'] ;-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 1:03 am Subject: Dreamwatchers tale Hi everyone Can anyone please tell me how to get hold of Dreamwatchers Tale. Thanks in advance Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27818 Re: Dreamwatchers tale Matthew Stringer Fri 7/20/2001 2 KB 27821 Re: Dreamwatchers tale E Neal Frost Fri 7/20/2001 3 KB 27830 Re: Dreamwatchers tale Adele Outland Fri 7/20/2001 3 KB 28031 Re: Dreamwatchers tale Matthew Stringer Mon 7/30/2001 2 KB 28042 Re: Dreamwatchers tale Gary Jenkins Mon 7/30/2001 2 KB 28066 Re: Dreamwatchers tale Matthew Stringer Wed 8/1/2001 3 KB 28067 Re: Dreamwatchers tale Feldon Feldon Wed 8/1/2001 2 KB 28069 Re: Dreamwatchers tale Matthew Stringer Wed 8/1/2001 3 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 1:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: buffalo girls Hi Utch, The radio stations don't get any better here and I live in Lake Havasu City, AZ.. right in the Mohave Desert. I usually just turn the dial to AM and listen to late night radio talk shows that usually have interesting bumper music - which is about as close to EM that you can get. NP: Temple of Remembrance > Ha!! I love that one! When I met my wife (of 11 years) she had never heard of EM, etc, et al. It's been a few years in the making, but I believe > she'd prefer almost *anything* TD than the average slop dished out on the radio stations of Northern Arizona. As for our 7 year old daughter; well, > it's hard to believe she'd pick Brittany Spears over TD, Jean Michel Jarre or Cusco, but she does surprise me with as much favor she gives to my > bent of preferences. :=O > > ...Utch \ > From: RJF Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 6:56 am Subject: Re: [Fwd: [tadream] Re: Dreamweavers Tales] In message <3B57C67D.9059B8D@a...>, vic rek writes >Richard, > >Can you get me a copy of the promo preview CD-R version of this release >with the different graphics? Different graphics? The one I have in front of me is of a futuristic city with a comet streaking from left to right . Is it the cover you want, or the CD? And if it is the CD, where there two versions of it? -- RJF Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27811 Re: [Fwd: [tadream] Re: Dreamweavers Tales] Yannick EDOM Fri 7/20/2001 2 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 7:22 am Subject: ks live osnabrueck hi, I'm so happy to have received my hand-signed copy of the two new Klaus Schulze CDs of the Osnabrueck Klangart Festival that I just *had* to tell you... Fantastic booklet showing the man play - you can see all keyboards and gear and it just still has the great atmosphere as it used to be up to 15 years ago ( = big wall with knobs to the back ;-) ). I mean, if you see the instrument rather than somebody behind an anonymous box it makes a bit of a difference on a concert. And even though Klaus is still doing the old thing so that you think he is repetitive and shows not much development, he does it so so so well.... I love this guy! These are moments when I ask myself 'why do you still buy TD'.... sigh a. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27809 Re: ks live osnabrueck RJF Fri 7/20/2001 3 KB 27813 Re: ks live osnabrueck Armin Theissen Fri 7/20/2001 4 KB 27810 Re: ks live osnabrueck Heiko Heerssen Fri 7/20/2001 2 KB 27817 Re: ks live osnabrueck Rainer Rutka Fri 7/20/2001 2 KB 27812 Re: ks live osnabrueck Yannick EDOM Fri 7/20/2001 2 KB 27814 Re: ks live osnabrueck Armin Theissen Fri 7/20/2001 2 KB 27815 Re: ks live osnabrueck glynn_naughton@h... Fri 7/20/2001 3 KB 27816 Re: ks live osnabrueck Rainer Rutka Fri 7/20/2001 2 KB 27858 Re: ks live osnabrueck Yannick EDOM Mon 7/23/2001 2 KB From: RJF Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 7:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ks live osnabrueck I too received my 2 CD's (separate cases11??) yesterday. But what is going on with the track listing on both of them. Neither CD ties up with either track listing on either case. Odd! - but still enjoyable. I did expect more cello though. Also, parts of disc 2 are very reminiscent of 'X' (which I must try and track down on CD. Nice set with 2 signatures (No 169 here) >I'm so happy to have received my hand-signed copy of the two new >Klaus Schulze CDs of the Osnabrueck Klangart Festival that I just >*had* to tell you... > >Fantastic booklet showing the man play - you can see all keyboards >and gear and it just still has the great atmosphere as it used to >be up to 15 years ago ( = big wall with knobs to the back ;-) ). >I mean, if you see the instrument rather than somebody behind an >anonymous box it makes a bit of a difference on a concert. And even >though Klaus is still doing the old thing so that you think he is >repetitive and shows not much development, he does it so so so >well.... I love this guy! These are moments when I ask myself 'why do >you still buy TD'.... > >sigh > >a. > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- RJF Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27813 Re: ks live osnabrueck Armin Theissen Fri 7/20/2001 4 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 7:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ks live osnabrueck > I'm so happy to have received my hand-signed copy of the two new > Klaus Schulze CDs of the Osnabrueck Klangart Festival that I just > *had* to tell you... I got my copy yesterday (no. 203 signed by KS) and had a real good laugh. Not about the music (which is very good, btw!), but on the last page of one of the booklets there's a picture of some fans in the concert hall (most probably taken after the show was over), and one them looked suspiciously like Rainer Rutka..was it really you, Rainer?! Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27817 Re: ks live osnabrueck Rainer Rutka Fri 7/20/2001 2 KB From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 8:57 am Subject: Re: [Fwd: [tadream] Re: Dreamweavers Tales] > In message <3B57C67D.9059B8D@a...>, vic rek > writes > >Richard, > > > >Can you get me a copy of the promo preview CD-R version of this release > >with the different graphics? > > Different graphics? The one I have in front of me is of a futuristic > city with a comet streaking from left to right . Is it the cover you > want, or the CD? > Hi there The Preview CDR is only with the futuristic City and the comet and there is not antother one. Theis preview CDR were released only for the musicians who contributed to the project. You must contact one of them directly. friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 9:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ks live osnabrueck Hi > > I'm so happy to have received my hand-signed copy of the two new > > Klaus Schulze CDs of the Osnabrueck Klangart Festival that I just > > *had* to tell you... > > I got my copy yesterday (no. 203 signed by KS) and had a real good laugh. Not > about the music (which is very good, btw!), but on the last page of one of > the booklets there's a picture of some fans in the concert hall (most > probably taken after the show was over), and one them looked suspiciously > like Rainer Rutka..was it really you, Rainer?! > I didn't get mine yet. Is the picture the same as the one in the KS website ? If so i'm in this picture too (red shirt black jacket long hair). I still have the memories of this fabulous concert in my mind. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27814 Re: ks live osnabrueck Armin Theissen Fri 7/20/2001 2 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 8:06 am Subject: Re: ks live osnabrueck I guess my copy is No. 64 (haven't got the number in mind and I'm at work now... oops, well, not really working though...) yes, its cool that Wolfgang Tiepold was there. After all, he considerably contributes to one of my absolute favourite KS records: DUNE. X on CD - they had it for ages in a CD shop in Bonn and I finally bought it. I do have the unbeatable good old vinyl, and the booklet in the CD is reduced compared to the original booklet (took out the Tangerine Dream picture, hahaha), but I just can't travel through the world all the time with my good old Rega turntable and vinyl collection before I really settle down. won't move without X, though... I was so seriously considering to see TD in London. I should have concentrated that effort on KS. I saw him and Rainer Bloss two times around 83, and that was really kick ass! ;-) a. --- In tadream@y..., RJF wrote: > I too received my 2 CD's (separate cases11??) yesterday. But what is > going on with the track listing on both of them. Neither CD ties up with > either track listing on either case. > > Odd! - but still enjoyable. I did expect more cello though. Also, parts > of disc 2 are very reminiscent of 'X' (which I must try and track down > on CD. > > Nice set with 2 signatures (No 169 here) > > > >I'm so happy to have received my hand-signed copy of the two new > >Klaus Schulze CDs of the Osnabrueck Klangart Festival that I just > >*had* to tell you... > > > >Fantastic booklet showing the man play - you can see all keyboards > >and gear and it just still has the great atmosphere as it used to > >be up to 15 years ago ( = big wall with knobs to the back ;-) ). > >I mean, if you see the instrument rather than somebody behind an > >anonymous box it makes a bit of a difference on a concert. And even > >though Klaus is still doing the old thing so that you think he is > >repetitive and shows not much development, he does it so so so > >well.... I love this guy! These are moments when I ask myself 'why do > >you still buy TD'.... > > > >sigh > > > >a. > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > -- > RJF From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 8:33 am Subject: Re: ks live osnabrueck no, different pictures. --- In tadream@y..., 'Yannick EDOM' wrote: > I didn't get mine yet. > Is the picture the same as the one in the KS website ? > If so i'm in this picture too (red shirt black jacket long hair). > > I still have the memories of this fabulous concert in my mind. > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 9:03 am Subject: Re: ks live osnabrueck --- In tadream@y..., 'Armin Theissen' wrote: > hi, > > I'm so happy to have received my hand-signed copy of the two new > Klaus Schulze CDs of the Osnabrueck Klangart Festival that I just > *had* to tell you... > > Fantastic booklet showing the man play - you can see all keyboards > and gear and it just still has the great atmosphere as it used to > be up to 15 years ago ( = big wall with knobs to the back ;-) ). > I mean, if you see the instrument rather than somebody behind an > anonymous box it makes a bit of a difference on a concert. And even > though Klaus is still doing the old thing so that you think he is > repetitive and shows not much development, he does it so so so > well.... I love this guy! These are moments when I ask myself 'why do > you still buy TD'.... > > sigh > > a. Yeah, I feel the exactly the same way about Klaus - through the years he's always done more-or-less the same thing...but with such style! And he truly doesn't give a shit about what people think about him. Call him God or call him a nobody and he still lumbers onwards, impervious as a tank, doing exactly what he would have done anyway. Bollocks. I wish I'd gone now. Osna is so easily reachable from Paris. Certainly if TD and Klaus ever play on the same day there's no doubt that the 'boring old Kraut' will get my vote. What's with the new haircut, though? Is he planning to join the marines? Maybe as a compensation for his failure to make the German football team... ;-) There's gotta be a silly post in that somewhere... Glynn From: Rainer Rutka Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 9:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ks live osnabrueck On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Armin Theissen wrote: > hi, > I'm so happy to have received my hand-signed copy of the two new > Klaus Schulze CDs of the Osnabrueck Klangart Festival that I just > *had* to tell you... > Fantastic booklet showing the man play - you can see all keyboards > and gear and it just still has the great atmosphere as it used to > be up to 15 years ago ( = big wall with knobs to the back ;-) ). ... and a picture of me in the first booklet (last double-page) (CD1) Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Rainer Rutka Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 9:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ks live osnabrueck On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > I got my copy yesterday (no. 203 signed by KS) and had a real good laugh. Not > about the music (which is very good, btw!), but on the last page of one of > the booklets there's a picture of some fans in the concert hall (most > probably taken after the show was over), and one them looked suspiciously > like Rainer Rutka..was it really you, Rainer?! > Heiko Y E S :-) Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers tale If you have a resonable connection I could stream it to you. Matt p.s. not many reviews for this album, did anyone like it? On Friday 20 July 2001 2:03 am, you wrote: > Hi everyone > > Can anyone please tell me how to get hold of Dreamwatchers Tale. > > Thanks in advance > > Jan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 1:43 pm Subject: Walraff- affären Thanks Heiko, that's interesting. I had a look at your page, even printed it out but there's one thing I don't understand. Summing up what has been said so far, it's necessary to look for the matrix number in order not to stumble upon a bootleg. So my question is (and please bear in mind that my favourite subject at school wasn't matrix numbers): The number you indicate is a bootleg, then what number/s is/are the right one/s? Is it really possible to say for sure? /Olle >From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... >Hi Olle and all others, >the Wallraff CD that you found at this moment on ebay or other auction channels they are all Bootlegs, with the Matrix >Number: M7E4 7956172 , and the cover looks like brand new. The Music on the CD has many breaks see track 2 and so on.> Look also under www.opticaldream.de for this. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 1:57 pm Subject: Nearest Dreamwatchers tale Hehe... no, I have only got an 56k modem. I am located in Denmark, so maybe someone in Sweden have this one????? When, how, what?????? For now, thanks everyone for helping me, I will get back to you if no one in Sweden has it.........OK ???? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Stringer' To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers tale > If you have a resonable connection I could stream it to you. > > Matt > > > p.s. not many reviews for this album, did anyone like it? > > > > On Friday 20 July 2001 2:03 am, you wrote: > > Hi everyone > > > > Can anyone please tell me how to get hold of Dreamwatchers Tale. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Jan > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 2:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers tale LOVED IT!!!! It was absolutely wonderful!! I am very happy, and jealous that we have some many talented people on this list. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Stringer' To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers tale > If you have a resonable connection I could stream it to you. > > Matt > > > p.s. not many reviews for this album, did anyone like it? > > > > On Friday 20 July 2001 2:03 am, you wrote: > > Hi everyone > > > > Can anyone please tell me how to get hold of Dreamwatchers Tale. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Jan > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 5:19 pm Subject: Leaving Hello to all my friends, There have been some chances in my personal life of late. Very good and positive changes. I have been weighing the pros and cons, the sacrifices and returns of these changes for the last several weeks, and to be able to take full advantage of these changes I need to be able to focus a lot more of my time and attention in other directions from now on. All this means that I will be leaving this list as of Sunday night sometime. I say Sunday in order to give time for any of my friends that do not have my e-mail address, or those that might want my e-mail address can do so. Also I welcome any final comments, good or bad, that needs to be said. I am not tying to be dramatic in my departure. It is just that with any group of people that spend a great deal of time together, you become a family. You may not particularly like all the members of your family, but you are family none the less and need to at least try to be polite to one another. I just wanted to say goodbye. I will maintain the friendships that I have made. I will honor all trades that I am involved in, and still will welcome more in the future. I just won't be trading as voraciously as I have in the past. I wish all a great life and lots of luck on lottery day!!! Neal Frost PS. To whom it may concern...See/meet you in Atlanta........see/meet you at Okee Swamp 2002!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27823 Re: Leaving Joe Shoults Fri 7/20/2001 2 KB 27824 Re: Leaving Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 7/20/2001 4 KB 27825 Re: Leaving PERGAMON Fri 7/20/2001 4 KB 27827 Re: Leaving herold.u@t... Fri 7/20/2001 4 KB 27828 Re: Leaving Deb H-J Fri 7/20/2001 3 KB 27832 Re: Leaving vic rek Sat 7/21/2001 4 KB 27834 Re: Leaving E Neal Frost Sat 7/21/2001 5 KB 27840 Re: Leaving Jim Moore Sat 7/21/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 5:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Leaving best wishes, Neal. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: E Neal Frost [mailto:strat95@b...] ... > There have been some chances in my personal life of late. ... > All this means that I will be leaving this list as of Sunday From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 6:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Leaving I am a typical lurker here. Sad to see anyone leave this list as most here are real fans (and beyond). Best wishes and hope you someday return. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'E Neal Frost' To: ; ; Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 10:19 AM Subject: [tadream] Leaving > Hello to all my friends, > > There have been some chances in my personal life of late. Very good and positive changes. I have been weighing the pros and cons, the sacrifices and returns of these changes for the last several weeks, and to be able to take full advantage of these changes I need to be able to focus a lot more of my time and attention in other directions from now on. > > All this means that I will be leaving this list as of Sunday night sometime. I say Sunday in order to give time for any of my friends that do not have my e-mail address, or those that might want my e-mail address can do so. Also I welcome any final comments, good or bad, that needs to be said. > > I am not tying to be dramatic in my departure. It is just that with any group of people that spend a great deal of time together, you become a family. You may not particularly like all the members of your family, but you are family none the less and need to at least try to be polite to one another. > > I just wanted to say goodbye. I will maintain the friendships that I have made. I will honor all trades that I am involved in, and still will welcome more in the future. I just won't be trading as voraciously as I have in the past. > > I wish all a great life and lots of luck on lottery day!!! > > Neal Frost > > PS. To whom it may concern...See/meet you in Atlanta........see/meet you at Okee Swamp 2002!!! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Leaving Namaste Best wishes and luck. I think you will be missed by a lot of people, if not all. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'E Neal Frost' To: ; ; Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 7:19 PM Subject: [tadream] Leaving > Hello to all my friends, > > There have been some chances in my personal life of late. Very good and positive changes. I have been weighing the pros and cons, the sacrifices and returns of these changes for the last several weeks, and to be able to take full advantage of these changes I need to be able to focus a lot more of my time and attention in other directions from now on. > > All this means that I will be leaving this list as of Sunday night sometime. I say Sunday in order to give time for any of my friends that do not have my e-mail address, or those that might want my e-mail address can do so. Also I welcome any final comments, good or bad, that needs to be said. > > I am not tying to be dramatic in my departure. It is just that with any group of people that spend a great deal of time together, you become a family. You may not particularly like all the members of your family, but you are family none the less and need to at least try to be polite to one another. > > I just wanted to say goodbye. I will maintain the friendships that I have made. I will honor all trades that I am involved in, and still will welcome more in the future. I just won't be trading as voraciously as I have in the past. > > I wish all a great life and lots of luck on lottery day!!! > > Neal Frost > > PS. To whom it may concern...See/meet you in Atlanta........see/meet you at Okee Swamp 2002!!! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: herold.u@t... Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 7:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Walraff- affären Hi Olle, the Matrix-Number for the 'original' is: PAT 7956172 MPO 02 @@@ cheers, Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 3:43 PM Subject: [tadream] Walraff- affären > Thanks Heiko, that's interesting. > I had a look at your page, even printed it out but there's one thing I don't > understand. > Summing up what has been said so far, it's necessary to look for the matrix > number in order not to stumble upon a bootleg. > So my question is (and please bear in mind that my favourite subject at > school wasn't matrix numbers): > The number you indicate is a bootleg, then what number/s is/are the right > one/s? Is it really possible to say for sure? > /Olle > > > > >From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... > >Hi Olle and all others, > > >the Wallraff CD that you found at this moment on ebay or other auction > channels they are all Bootlegs, with the Matrix >Number: M7E4 7956172 , and > the cover looks like brand new. The Music on the CD has many breaks see > track 2 and so on.> > Look also under www.opticaldream.de for this. > > Regards > heiko > www.opticaldream.de > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27829 =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Walraff-_aff=E4ren_and_Hoenig? olle.rundgren@s... Fri 7/20/2001 2 KB From: herold.u@t... Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Leaving good luck and all the best, Neal Uwe Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: 'E Neal Frost' To: ; ; Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 7:19 PM Subject: [tadream] Leaving > Hello to all my friends, > > There have been some chances in my personal life of late. Very good and positive changes. I have been weighing the pros and cons, the sacrifices and returns of these changes for the last several weeks, and to be able to take full advantage of these changes I need to be able to focus a lot more of my time and attention in other directions from now on. > > All this means that I will be leaving this list as of Sunday night sometime. I say Sunday in order to give time for any of my friends that do not have my e-mail address, or those that might want my e-mail address can do so. Also I welcome any final comments, good or bad, that needs to be said. > > I am not tying to be dramatic in my departure. It is just that with any group of people that spend a great deal of time together, you become a family. You may not particularly like all the members of your family, but you are family none the less and need to at least try to be polite to one another. > > I just wanted to say goodbye. I will maintain the friendships that I have made. I will honor all trades that I am involved in, and still will welcome more in the future. I just won't be trading as voraciously as I have in the past. > > I wish all a great life and lots of luck on lottery day!!! > > Neal Frost > > PS. To whom it may concern...See/meet you in Atlanta........see/meet you at Okee Swamp 2002!!! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Deb H-J Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 9:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Leaving Neal: Sorry to see you leave, but glad you will stay in touch. Good luck, fella, with your new endeavors. Deb H-J --- E Neal Frost wrote: > Hello to all my friends, > > There have been some chances in my personal life of > late. Very good and positive changes. I have been > weighing the pros and cons, the sacrifices and > returns of these changes for the last several weeks, > and to be able to take full advantage of these > changes I need to be able to focus a lot more of my > time and attention in other directions from now on. > > All this means that I will be leaving this list as > of Sunday night sometime. I say Sunday in order to > give time for any of my friends that do not have my > e-mail address, or those that might want my e-mail > address can do so. Also I welcome any final > comments, good or bad, that needs to be said. > > I am not tying to be dramatic in my departure. It is > just that with any group of people that spend a > great deal of time together, you become a family. > You may not particularly like all the members of > your family, but you are family none the less and > need to at least try to be polite to one another. > > I just wanted to say goodbye. I will maintain the > friendships that I have made. I will honor all > trades that I am involved in, and still will welcome > more in the future. I just won't be trading as > voraciously as I have in the past. > > I wish all a great life and lots of luck on lottery > day!!! > > Neal Frost > > PS. To whom it may concern...See/meet you in > Atlanta........see/meet you at Okee Swamp 2002!!! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 10:57 pm Subject: Re: Walraff- affären and Hoenig Thanks Uwe, Now I'm satisfied and won't bother the list with further questions about this one. It's late at night here in Sweden and I just finished watching a tv drama with Christopher Reeve (made prior to his accident, 1995 or something like that) called Above Suspicion. Must say I was very surprised to see that the score was made by Michael Hoenig. Didn't sound much like Hoenig to me, hence my reaction. Is he doing the Francke-thing these days maybe? And a short reply to Jan (Pergamon) in local language (please excuse) Jag har ett ex. av Dreamwatchers' Tales men dessvärre ingen möjlighet att bränna en kopia. Kan du göra det själv kan du fĺ lĺna min. A good weekend to all Olle --- In tadream@y..., herold.u@t... wrote: > Hi Olle, > > the Matrix-Number for the 'original' is: > > PAT 7956172 MPO 02 @@@ > > cheers, > Uwe > From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 11:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers tale It is a wonderful double album and a good way to hear some up and coming fresh EM musicians. The production quality is excellent. I don't have the album in front of me so won't be too complete in my description. My favorite is Dream Conspiracy's 'Dysfunction' and for good reason: it's the most like old TD, weaving picture music in my brain. My next best is the one by Darklion alone (don't remember the name, sorry, it's out in the car) and then of course the Free System Projekt one. Probably the only one that gets on my nerves is the opener, the one that named the album. It has a cut up style which I guess is representative of the different themes within the rest of the album that are literally clicked apart by a TD sample sound like the turnstyle sound in Tangram I believe. It goes on too long by half. But all the rest is well done. 8-) Dell NP: England, Liverpool Royal Court Oct 29, 1981 ______________________________________________ Matthew Stringer >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers tale >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:45:00 +0100 > >If you have a resonable connection I could stream it to you. > >Matt > > >p.s. not many reviews for this album, did anyone like it? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28031 Re: Dreamwatchers tale Matthew Stringer Mon 7/30/2001 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 11:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ventura, CA Concert Just got my tickets and it turns out that in Ventura, the $35.00 version are tables of 10, eye level with the stage. Any one out there wish to share a table? I rather be seating at a table with folks from this list than unknowns. Also does anyone know who the PR person contact is for TD? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Whiteley, Steve' To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 9:21 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Ventura, CA Concert > Ventura has to be one of the easiest places to see a concert. A huge park on > the next block with a big old tree and historic cannons. The beach is about > 1/2 mile away, beach campgrouds, several hotels, resturants and bars. My > favorite being Eric Ericsons on the pier, as long as its not windy you can > sit outside have some food and drink, watch the sunset over the channel > islands, walk back to the concert hall. > > I would love to meet up with TD fans, add my name to the list. > > >I plan on going to Ventura and perhaps a few more in my area. Who else? I > >think it would be great if we all could meet up. > > > >Administrator for Kay-Net.com > >admin@k... > > Since I'm not at all familiar with the area I imagine it is quite a mess > getting around there in Ventura. Where would be the perfect meeting place? > > ...Utch > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: vic rek Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 12:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Leaving Well, some of us will still get to enjoy your company at the Atlanta show and at Okefenokee 2002. Deb H-J wrote: > Neal: > > Sorry to see you leave, but glad you will stay in > touch. Good luck, fella, with your new endeavors. > > Deb H-J > > --- E Neal Frost wrote: > > Hello to all my friends, > > > > There have been some chances in my personal life of > > late. Very good and positive changes. I have been > > weighing the pros and cons, the sacrifices and > > returns of these changes for the last several weeks, > > and to be able to take full advantage of these > > changes I need to be able to focus a lot more of my > > time and attention in other directions from now on. > > > > All this means that I will be leaving this list as > > of Sunday night sometime. I say Sunday in order to > > give time for any of my friends that do not have my > > e-mail address, or those that might want my e-mail > > address can do so. Also I welcome any final > > comments, good or bad, that needs to be said. > > > > I am not tying to be dramatic in my departure. It is > > just that with any group of people that spend a > > great deal of time together, you become a family. > > You may not particularly like all the members of > > your family, but you are family none the less and > > need to at least try to be polite to one another. > > > > I just wanted to say goodbye. I will maintain the > > friendships that I have made. I will honor all > > trades that I am involved in, and still will welcome > > more in the future. I just won't be trading as > > voraciously as I have in the past. > > > > I wish all a great life and lots of luck on lottery > > day!!! > > > > Neal Frost > > > > PS. To whom it may concern...See/meet you in > > Atlanta........see/meet you at Okee Swamp 2002!!! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 1:56 am Subject: Global Communication Hey Dreamers, If you like Global Communication you may like Transoceanic on mp3.com. Both have that relaxing style. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27841 Re: Global Communication Deb H-J Sat 7/21/2001 2 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 2:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Leaving Now if they would only just announce the actual date for Atlanta!!!!! I look forward to meeting up with some of my list friends before the concert. Is there a pub across the street from the venue? Should we wear name tags or matching t-shirts or something. (I could barely type the words I am laughing so hard) Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Leaving > Well, some of us will still get to enjoy your company at the Atlanta show and > at Okefenokee 2002. > > Deb H-J wrote: > > > Neal: > > > > Sorry to see you leave, but glad you will stay in > > touch. Good luck, fella, with your new endeavors. > > > > Deb H-J > > > > --- E Neal Frost wrote: > > > Hello to all my friends, > > > > > > There have been some chances in my personal life of > > > late. Very good and positive changes. I have been > > > weighing the pros and cons, the sacrifices and > > > returns of these changes for the last several weeks, > > > and to be able to take full advantage of these > > > changes I need to be able to focus a lot more of my > > > time and attention in other directions from now on. > > > > > > All this means that I will be leaving this list as > > > of Sunday night sometime. I say Sunday in order to > > > give time for any of my friends that do not have my > > > e-mail address, or those that might want my e-mail > > > address can do so. Also I welcome any final > > > comments, good or bad, that needs to be said. > > > > > > I am not tying to be dramatic in my departure. It is > > > just that with any group of people that spend a > > > great deal of time together, you become a family. > > > You may not particularly like all the members of > > > your family, but you are family none the less and > > > need to at least try to be polite to one another. > > > > > > I just wanted to say goodbye. I will maintain the > > > friendships that I have made. I will honor all > > > trades that I am involved in, and still will welcome > > > more in the future. I just won't be trading as > > > voraciously as I have in the past. > > > > > > I wish all a great life and lots of luck on lottery > > > day!!! > > > > > > Neal Frost > > > > > > PS. To whom it may concern...See/meet you in > > > Atlanta........see/meet you at Okee Swamp 2002!!! > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: > > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27840 Re: Leaving Jim Moore Sat 7/21/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 3:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Herr Hoenig Michael Hoenig's music has been sounding very orchestral rather than synthetic for many years. After releasing the godlike 'Departure from the Northern Wasteland' he did at least one minor Hollywood film 'Deadly Encounter' (or something - Larry Hagman and some helicopters are in it, the acting of the helicopters being the more convincing) which retained some of the same style, but he was already swapping the analog synths for digital. He mocked up the 'Xcept One' album on analog synths (I have demo tapes) but then got hold of a Synclavier and completely re-recorded it. There are some soundtrack pieces which echo the early sequencer style but done on digital synths, such as 'Silent Witness' (1985) which bizarrely is airing on Channel 5 (UK) as I write. But on soundtracks for 'The Gate', 'The Wraith' and 'The Blob' he came to sound completely symphonic. He had a tiny synthesizer piece on 'Koyaanisqatsi' (it's not on the soundtrack album) and later did the TV theme for 'Max Headroom' which was more synthetic, and a couple of years ago music for a TV series based on the film 'Strange Days', which hasn't been seen in Europe as far as I know. But generally speaking, a Michael Hoenig credit on a recent film no longer means there are any synthy sounds to be heard - and Chris Franke (perhaps with his advice) followed exactly the same course a couple of years behind him :-) A shame then that there weren't more analog recordings ('Early Water' is OK but sounds just like the jam session it is), because Hoenig mastered some aspects of analog synths, and particularly the ARP Sequencer, to a greater degree of sophistication than either TD or Klaus Schulze. On 'Departure' he plays 7/8 or 15/16 patterns against 4/4 patterns so the repeat slips each time, creating seemingly endless variations, and in many ways he is a much more sophisticated composer than either. While 'Xcept One' is a bit of a mixed bag, anyone who does not have a copy of 'Departure' - which I think is still available through Kuckuk - is missing out bigtime :-) olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > Thanks Uwe, > Now I'm satisfied and won't bother the list with further questions > about this one. > > It's late at night here in Sweden and I just finished watching a tv > drama with Christopher Reeve (made prior to his accident, 1995 or > something like that) called Above Suspicion. Must say I was very > surprised to see that the score was made by Michael Hoenig. Didn't > sound much like Hoenig to me, hence my reaction. Is he doing the > Francke-thing these days maybe? > > And a short reply to Jan (Pergamon) in local language (please excuse) > > Jag har ett ex. av Dreamwatchers' Tales men dessvärre ingen möjlighet > att bränna en kopia. Kan du göra det själv kan du fĺ lĺna min. > > A good weekend to all > > Olle > > > --- In tadream@y..., herold.u@t... wrote: > > Hi Olle, > > > > the Matrix-Number for the 'original' is: > > > > PAT 7956172 MPO 02 @@@ > > > > cheers, > > Uwe > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 3:23 am Subject: radio hello everyone, i'm beginning right now my radio show. i couldnt get it ready last weekend, but it's already going mostly instrumental and electronic music. connect at http://64.152.82.73:16108 open on winamp, windows media player or realplayer. From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 10:00 am Subject: Homepage update !!! Hi all, www.opticaldream.de update: 20.07.01 update: NEWS (with DM 3 Promo CD) Concertrecordings Michael Hoenig Radioshows other Releases and Klaus Schulze Live @ KlangArt 2001 LOOK Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 3:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour Hope to see you there... I have been to other performances there, so I know exactly where it is... Are you flying into the airport in Philadelphia? It is only about 10-15 minutesf rom the church... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Marcel Engels [mailto:mengels@w...] > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 2:26 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour > > > Hi Michael, > > yes, it's at October 13th. > You can check: http://www.thegatherings.org > or my page for info. > > Sorry for non-td content... > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > > > > Marcel, > > > > Do you have a date for your show yet? I will try to make it > since i only > > live about 2 hours away from Philly... > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27845 Re: Re (x2): TD US Tour Marcel Engels Sat 7/21/2001 4 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 2:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour Michael A Jean wrote: > Are you flying into the airport in Philadelphia? It > is only about 10-15 minutesf rom the church... So if there's some airplane noise during the concert, Marcel can play Le Parc (Streethawk) live :-) Antonio From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 3:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Leaving From: E Neal Frost [mailto:strat95@b...] >Now if they would only just announce the actual date for Atlanta!!!!! >Is there a pub across the street from the venue? Should we wear name tags or >matching t-shirts or something. I don't think they've even announced a venue yet. If it's the Variety Playhouse, yes, there is a pub across the street. If it's the Earthlink (Center Stage) theater, you have to drive a few blocks. The Roxy would be supreme in that there are tons of places within walking distance (and I have a parking pass one block over -- hee hee). - jim From: Deb H-J Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 4:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Global Communication Steve: Since making peace with my new computer, I've been downloading some new sounds from MP3.com, like Symphonic Chronicles and Stargarden. Quite, quite, nice. If they are half as good as Global Communication, I'll be glad to check out Transoceanic. Gracias, Deb H-J --- 'Whiteley, Steve' wrote: > Hey Dreamers, > > If you like Global Communication you may like > Transoceanic on mp3.com. Both > have that relaxing style. > > Steve > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: gmroger@p... Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Re: You're all getting excited in the States - but what about Poland? With all the excitement going on between the list members as regards the States and the band's visit there, I was wondering - what's happened to all the fans - particularly the Polish ones - who plan to go to Warsaw? To date, I only know two confirmees going - or four if you count wives - and that's: 1. Roger Hartopp (& wife) (British, but from Poland) 2. Jorge Figueiredo (& wife) (from Portugal) I suspect that a 'gathering point' for fans may be more difficult than Shepherd's Bush. Let's face it, there will be a few thousand there, not just a few hundred. I'm still trying to find a reasonably priced place to stay - the ones mentioned on the list by Piotr S. Millenium (are you going?) are still a little pricey. We're trying to contact the Hotel Belfer which is pretty damn close to the bridge. Anybody know if they have rooms? We did contemplate taking a train straight back home to Krakow, but at that time of night they are painfully slow. I know all you Americans are excited - but Poland comes first! (But, damn, I wish I could go to the States too!) Roger Hartopp -- Znudzilo Ci sie logo w komorce? Wgraj nowe [ http://komorki.onet.pl/dodatki.html ] From: gmroger@p... Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Re: Radio On 21 Jul 2001, at 8:01, tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:23:28 -0300 > From: Gustavo Jobim > Subject: radio > > hello everyone, i'm beginning right now my radio show. i couldnt get it > ready last weekend, but it's already going > > mostly instrumental and electronic music. connect at http://64.152.82.73:16108 > open on winamp, windows media player or realplayer. Good luck with the show, Gustavo. I hope you have better luck than me with the Radio Station. I've stopped 'Astral Voyager' for the Summer and am seriously thinking of quitting it altogether as they still haven't upgraded their Real Player. They boasted being the first Radio Station in Poland to broadcast over the Internet and everyone else has overtaken them! If I want to move to another radio sation in Krakow, I'll have to speak Polish... Roger Hartopp -- Znudzilo Ci sie logo w komorce? Wgraj nowe [ http://komorki.onet.pl/dodatki.html ] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27846 Re: Radio Feldon Feldon Sat 7/21/2001 3 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 6:39 pm Subject: Who are the other two? Call up www.estrada.com.pl/koncerty.html and click on 'Most Beautiful Rock for Peace'. Who are the other two guys? Has Iris had a sex change? Is this the line-up for Warsaw? If it's the case, does this mean NO BONGO'S? Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27856 Re: Who are the other two? glynn_naughton@h... Mon 7/23/2001 2 KB 27931 Re: Who are the other two? Dennis Nigbur Thu 7/26/2001 4 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 9:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour Hi Michael, we will be flying into Philadelphia yes. I look forward to play there. Today we had another session and it was fun. I don't think we'll be playing Streethawk though :-) Think 10 years earlier circa Coefficient... Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 5:25 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour > > > Hope to see you there... I have been to other performances there, > so I know > exactly where it is... Are you flying into the airport in > Philadelphia? It > is only about 10-15 minutesf rom the church... > > MJ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Marcel Engels [mailto:mengels@w...] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 2:26 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re (x2): TD US Tour > > > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > yes, it's at October 13th. > > You can check: http://www.thegatherings.org > > or my page for info. > > > > Sorry for non-td content... > > > > Marcel > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > > mengels@w... > > > > > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > > > > > > Marcel, > > > > > > Do you have a date for your show yet? I will try to make it > > since i only > > > live about 2 hours away from Philly... > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Feldon Feldon Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Radio At 08:29 PM 7/21/2001 +0200, you wrote: >On 21 Jul 2001, at 8:01, tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:23:28 -0300 > > From: Gustavo Jobim > > Subject: radio > > > > hello everyone, i'm beginning right now my radio show. i couldnt get it > > ready last weekend, but it's already going > > > > mostly instrumental and electronic music. connect at > http://64.152.82.73:16108 > > open on winamp, windows media player or realplayer. > >Good luck with the show, Gustavo. I hope you have better luck than me with >the Radio Station. I've stopped 'Astral >Voyager' for the Summer and am seriously thinking of quitting it >altogether as they still haven't upgraded their Real >Player. They boasted being the first Radio Station in Poland to broadcast >over the Internet and everyone else has >overtaken them! If I want to move to another radio sation in Krakow, I'll >have to speak Polish... > >Roger Hartopp I'm amazed that they won't go to Shoutcast. A perfect example is located here: http://www.digitallyimported.com/ and it didn't cost the site any money for the Server software (Shoutcast server) or any of the modules, AND it sounds better on low-bandwidth connections. -Morgan From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun Jul 22, 2001 9:47 am Subject: ATTENTION BAD and NONPAYING BIDDER ON EBAY Hi all ebay Fan`s and TD Fans, please make no deals or trades with following person: twood@s... ebay ID: dronemusic (also is an homepage available: www.dronemusic.com ) Location: SAN DIEGO (USA) This person will never pay on an winning auction by him!!! And he write emails that he can pay, but no payments arrived. ATTENTION for this bad ebuyer and ebay seller. Regards heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27849 Re: ATTENTION BAD and NONPAYING BIDDER ON EBAY Duncan McKee Sun 7/22/2001 2 KB 27852 Here's a question... Feldon Feldon Mon 7/23/2001 2 KB 27853 Re: ATTENTION BAD and NONPAYING BIDDER ON EBAY Heiko Heerssen Mon 7/23/2001 3 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun Jul 22, 2001 10:18 am Subject: Recognition Of Sorts Hi All Just a snippet of info that some of you guys may have missed.... Quotes from an article in IDJ magazine (UK) by Nick Warren ( one half of Way Out West ) ' Progessive house and trance are exactly the same. Francois K's dubs are proper trance - even Tangerine Dream records are trance!' Discuss....... ;o) ATB Phil --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.264 / Virus Database: 136 - Release Date: 7/2/01 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Sun Jul 22, 2001 6:44 pm Subject: Re: ATTENTION BAD and NONPAYING BIDDER ON EBAY hi it took me three months to get money from this Guy for a cd he won on ebay, he is called adrain starchild, he also used this ebay name but has been suspended astar@s... to be quite honest i would not buy another thing from him because his excuses are pathetic. Duncan Tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk --- In tadream@y..., NEUMANN.H-J@t... wrote: > Hi all ebay Fan`s and TD Fans, > > please make no deals or trades with following person: > > twood@s... > ebay ID: dronemusic (also is an homepage available: www.dronemusic.com ) > Location: SAN DIEGO (USA) > > This person will never pay on an winning auction by him!!! And he write emails that he can pay, but no payments arrived. > ATTENTION for this bad ebuyer and ebay seller. > > Regards > heiko > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27852 Here's a question... Feldon Feldon Mon 7/23/2001 2 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 12:14 am Subject: Goodbye Well, This is it my friends. I enjoyed very much your advice, input, council, and your friendship. Life is pulling me in other directions. I will not be completely gone as I will see some of you in Atlanta and also for Okee 2002. I also will keep the friends I have made to chatting and the occasional trade. As I said before, I wish you all a good life and great luck on lottery day!! Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 12:17 am Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From: Feldon Feldon Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 4:31 am Subject: Here's a question... Hey folks, List is seems as quiet as my TiVo lately. Got a question. I've acquired a disc labeled 1982 Argos (Hammersmith Odeon). It even has cover art with it. However it is the kissing cousin of Newcastle Uk 1981 (Dreamtime) and any of the other fall 81 tour 1st sets including Threee Tier Dream disc 2 (which to this day is still labeled 1982!). There WAS a Hammersmith Odeon show in fall of 81 (October 20th; thanks Paul). I think I already know the answer but is Argos simply mislabeled by year? Or is it something more sinister, like a dupe of Newcastle or some other disc. -Morgan P.S. since the solo discussion died, anyone interestered in [D: Bootleg] ? P.P.S. Frank, Steve, your discs are on the way Monday. From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 6:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: ATTENTION BAD and NONPAYING BIDDER ON EBAY > hi > it took me three months to get money from this Guy for a cd he won on > ebay, he is called adrain starchild, he also used this ebay name but > has been suspended astar@s... > to be quite honest i would not buy another thing from him because his > excuses are pathetic. Oh my, I have dealt with him before and his money never reached me. Just last Friday he won my 'macula transfer' cd for $126 on eBAY and wrote some strange e-mail, here's an excerpt: 'Please Heiko, you worry way too much about this. I have not had the experience working with someone who is completely possessed by money! This is not what you were put on this planet for. I will send you a package of Herbal Ecstasy so you will stop worrying (just joking)' All I asked him was if he also has a PayPal account..... Heiko From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 6:53 am Subject: 'dronemusic', Thomas Wood & Adrian Starchild (BAD TRADER ALERT) Hello again, I just received an e-mail from a TD fan who was also bidding on my copy of 'Macula transfer' on eBAY. I know that a few people on this list are more or less active on eBAY by selling or bidding for Tangerine Dream items. If you ever come across 'dronemusic' or a certain Thomas Wood (which is a false name, his real ?? name is Adrian Starchild) I can only advise you to stay away from this guy. This is an excerpt of what he wrote to one of the bidders for my CD (his first name is Helmut, a really nice chap which I met through Al Benson): 'This letter is to warn you of some potential illegal activity that may be occurring between the seller of Edgar Froese Macular Transfer (Barbakane1) and myself, so the same won't happen to you!!! I was the high bidder on the above cd yesterday, and paid 130.00 through paypal for this item. After is was cleared through paypal, he informed me that he was mailing off a homemade cd-r of Tangerine Dream. This is not what I bid on.' It seems he wrote this nice letter to all the people who bid on my CD. I never received the amount from him, nor did I send him a 'homemade cd-r' (the original CD is still lying in my office). Just last year I sent him my last copy of 'L'affaire Wallraff' (how naive!) and all I received was an empty letter, I lost $40+ on this. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27862 Re: 'dronemusic', Thomas Wood & Adrian Starchild Michael A Jean Mon 7/23/2001 4 KB 27870 Re: 'dronemusic', Thomas Wood & Adrian Starchild Gary Jenkins Mon 7/23/2001 4 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 7:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Here's a question... > There WAS a Hammersmith Odeon show in fall of 81 (October 20th; thanks Paul). > > I think I already know the answer but is Argos simply mislabeled by year? 'Argos' is from the London Hammersmith Odeon 20.10.81 concert and was mislabeled by year, it is definetly not from TD's 'Logos' tour which they performed during October and November 1982. > P.S. since the solo discussion died, anyone interestered in [D: Bootleg] ? ME! I start to miss these discussion weeks and this would be a nice topic (but don't quote prices! ;-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27863 Re: Here's a question... Joe Shoults Mon 7/23/2001 2 KB 27866 Re: Here's a question... Antonio Nunes Mon 7/23/2001 2 KB 27869 Re: Here's a question... Antonio Nunes Mon 7/23/2001 2 KB 27875 Re: Here's a question... Heiko Heerssen Tue 7/24/2001 3 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 7:33 am Subject: Re: Who are the other two? --- In tadream@y..., 'Roger Hartopp' wrote: > Call up www.estrada.com.pl/koncerty.html and click on 'Most Beautiful > Rock for Peace'. > > Who are the other two guys? Has Iris had a sex change? Is this the > line-up for Warsaw? > > If it's the case, does this mean NO BONGO'S? > > Roger Hartopp Gerald Gradwool (on the right - looks like Geddy Lee) and Emil Hachfield, although this photo appears to be several years old, just like the one of Edgar and Jerome in _Dream Mixes III_. Maybe because Jerome was brought on board amid much fanfare about how he was fresh young blood to revitalise TD - I suppose that photos showing that his fresh young days are receding into the past might stimulate some awkward questions... Glynn From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 7:42 am Subject: Russian TD releases Hi again, can somebody please tell me if these Russian CD releases are official or bootlegs..because I couldn't find any catalogue numbers on it, except that some have Russian words and also numbers like 'No. 2132/M3-97' or '20.01.97' --Goblin's club (silver/blue CD label with 'TD Goblin Club' logo) --Zeit & Alpha Centauri (both have the same front and back cover like those 1996 re-issues on Castle Communications, but miss the liner notes from Julian Cope etc.) --Phaedra (has the same cover like the first UK CD release from the early 80s; blue/silver CD label) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27921 Re: Russian TD releases vic rek Thu 7/26/2001 2 KB 27928 Re: Russian TD releases Michal Moroz Thu 7/26/2001 2 KB 27934 Re: Russian TD releases vic rek Thu 7/26/2001 3 KB From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 8:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: ks live osnabrueck Hi there i just received my copy of KS live@k... 2CD set. Still fabulous music, but at home, even with a good sound installation, the perception is not the same as during the gig. I remember the screaming moog with the overloaded saturation, which is not on the CDs. I had a good surprise to see me on the picture with other 'fans' here (after the show - last 2 pages in the first booklet). there are also the three other frenchies who went with me for the show. Rainer, is that you with the video cam ? If so we were close by a few meters (i am the guy with long hair an black jacket). I'm currently listening to the show again and still under the initial feeling. Memories are imortalised. Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 7:52 am Subject: Fw: Bad Traders Alerts ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Frank Arellano' To: Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:51 AM Subject: Bad Traders Alerts > > I think these bad trader alerts are a good thing... It helps keep the > honest people honest, and it also helps keep in check those who are less > responsible. Not to mention forewarning everybody of the riskier characters > out there. > . > It's very unfortunate and utterly disappointing when we come across people > that we trusted and then they failed to carry out their end of the deal. It > sadly leads people to be more cynical and less trusting of the next person > in line and of human nature. > > If you happen to find yourself on the guilty side of the fence and > haven't fulfilled an obligation, take a step in the right direction in > making it right instead of avoiding the issue, even if the first step is > just sending an email, because most people are reasonable and understanding > and able to forgive shortcomings. Also, if someone was kind enough to do > something for you, reciprocate. It's only right. Instead of just being on > the receiving end. > > This has been a public service announcement. > > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 7:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: ks live osnabrueck > Rainer, is that you with the video cam ? > If so we were close by a few meters (i am the guy with long hair an black > jacket). If you see someone with a video cam at a TD or KS gig then it has to be Rainer ~lol~ I still remember the first time we met in person at Tangerine Dreams' 'Klangart' gig two years ago in Osnabrück, just before the encores started he ran towards the stage and kept taking pictures, and I must say that I liked them better than the official ones on the TDI site :-) Heiko P.S.: my boss is ill today, hence the large amount of emails I keep sending while I'm *working* in my office ~lol~ From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 9:00 am Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES VOL 2 ON THE RUN Hi there Just a quick mail to tell that the new project is on the run. Dreamwatchers' Tales vol 2 is open and every musicians on the list who wants to contribute are wellcome. I already have tracks from Olyam, Darklion, Ionic, Döktoer Strange and Nightbirds. I also had contact with some other musicians and i'm waiting for their tracks too. The design is also on the run and it could be a little special on a DVD case for some releases and on a normal CD case for regular packages. the closing date for the contribution tracks is October 31st 2001. Planned released date fall december 2001 Please contact me offlist for contribution. Tom Richmond told me he will manage the tree as he did for the first project. Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 12:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'dronemusic', Thomas Wood & Adrian Starchild (BAD TRADER ALERT) I think EBAY will provide a person's mailing address of record upon request..Maybe someone can pay him a personal visit...hee hee ;^) I usually sell rather than buy on EBAY, and I noticed this guy's stuff during the past week or so...Too bad he isn't above board, because he does offer a nice selection of things... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:53 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] 'dronemusic', Thomas Wood & Adrian Starchild (BAD > TRADER ALERT) > > > Hello again, > I just received an e-mail from a TD fan who was also bidding on my copy of > 'Macula transfer' on eBAY. I know that a few people on this list > are more or less > active on eBAY by selling or bidding for Tangerine Dream items. > If you ever come > across 'dronemusic' or a certain Thomas Wood (which is a false > name, his real ?? > name is Adrian Starchild) I can only advise you to stay away from > this guy. > This is an excerpt of what he wrote to one of the bidders for my > CD (his first > name is Helmut, a really nice chap which I met through Al Benson): > > 'This letter is to warn you of some potential illegal activity that may be > occurring between the seller of Edgar Froese Macular Transfer > (Barbakane1) and > myself, so the same won't happen to you!!! I was the high bidder > on the above cd > yesterday, and paid 130.00 through paypal for this item. After > is was cleared > through paypal, he informed me that he was mailing off a homemade cd-r of > Tangerine Dream. This is not what I bid on.' > > It seems he wrote this nice letter to all the people who bid on > my CD. I never > received the amount from him, nor did I send him a 'homemade > cd-r' (the original > CD is still lying in my office). Just last year I sent him my last copy of > 'L'affaire Wallraff' (how naive!) and all I received was an > empty letter, I lost > $40+ on this. > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27870 Re: 'dronemusic', Thomas Wood & Adrian Starchild Gary Jenkins Mon 7/23/2001 4 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 2:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Here's a question... agreed! I have changed the message footer so that it contains a link to the instructions I put on tadream.net for those just starting out in these discussions. Please note that there is a specific syntax for posting a discussion topic: D:Bootleg [boot name] By following this format, we can go back and do more accurate searches in the future. Seriously, you'll be happy you did. Anyone want to create a discussion schedule? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > > > P.S. since the solo discussion died, anyone interestered in > [D: Bootleg] ? > > ME! I start to miss these discussion weeks and this would be > a nice topic (but > don't quote prices! ;-) > > Heiko > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 2:54 pm Subject: new auction is open ! Hi all, a new auction of a few rarities is open on: http://www.caby.de/Music/Rarity To lure you onto the page, this time you can download a really strange piece TD used for soundchecks in 1981. happy bidding klaus From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 3:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Ventura, CA Concert International Creative Management (London office) is in charge of booking TD in the states. > -----Original Message----- > From: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] ... > unknowns. Also does anyone know who the PR person contact is for TD? From: Antonio Nunes Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 3:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Here's a question... Feldon Feldon wrote: > > I've acquired a disc labeled 1982 Argos (Hammersmith Odeon). It even has > cover art with it. > > However it is the kissing cousin of Newcastle Uk 1981 (Dreamtime) and any > of the other fall 81 tour 1st sets including Threee Tier Dream disc 2 > (which to this day is still labeled 1982!). > > There WAS a Hammersmith Odeon show in fall of 81 (October 20th; thanks Paul). > > I think I already know the answer but is Argos simply mislabeled by year? > Or is it something more sinister, like a dupe of Newcastle or some other disc. Morgan, compare it with the first track of 3 Tier disc 2 and let me know if you notice any difference. A MP3 file of that '1982 Argos' showed up recently on the mp3.bootlegs newsgroup. I've downloaded it, and playing it side by side with the first track of 3 Tier disc 2, I can't hear any difference apart from a slight speed variation. Antonio From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 4:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ventura, CA Concert thanks I will see if I can find a number to call etc.. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 8:10 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Ventura, CA Concert > International Creative Management (London office) is in charge of booking TD > in the states. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] > ... > > unknowns. Also does anyone know who the PR person contact is for TD? > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 5:21 pm Subject: d: [parallel dreams] WOW --tei (in a 2001 kinda TD style) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Antonio Nunes Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 5:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Here's a question... Heiko Heerssen wrote: > 'Argos' is from the London Hammersmith Odeon 20.10.81 concert and was mislabeled > by year, it is definetly not from TD's 'Logos' tour which they performed during > October and November 1982. So, is 3 Tier Dream disc 2 also from the London Hammersmith Odeon 20.10.81 concert? The liner notes of 3 Tier Dream mention Hammersmith Odeon as the source of disc 2. Great performance, BTW. It's a shame that this concert was never officially released... Antonio From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 6:42 pm Subject: Re: 'dronemusic', Thomas Wood & Adrian Starchild (BAD TRADER ALERT) --- HI I was very concerned when I read these postings, at the weekend as I had won auction for Deadly Care last tuesday from dronemusic,but to my relief it arrived safely today,maybe I was lucky but it seems as a seller he is ok. Cheers Gary > I think EBAY will provide a person's mailing address of record upon > request..Maybe someone can pay him a personal visit...hee hee ;^) > > I usually sell rather than buy on EBAY, and I noticed this guy's stuff > during the past week or so...Too bad he isn't above board, because he does > offer a nice selection of things... > > MJ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:53 AM > > To: tadream@y... > > Subject: [tadream] 'dronemusic', Thomas Wood & Adrian Starchild (BAD > > TRADER ALERT) > > > > > > Hello again, > > I just received an e-mail from a TD fan who was also bidding on my copy of > > 'Macula transfer' on eBAY. I know that a few people on this list > > are more or less > > active on eBAY by selling or bidding for Tangerine Dream items. > > If you ever come > > across 'dronemusic' or a certain Thomas Wood (which is a false > > name, his real ?? > > name is Adrian Starchild) I can only advise you to stay away from > > this guy. > > This is an excerpt of what he wrote to one of the bidders for my > > CD (his first > > name is Helmut, a really nice chap which I met through Al Benson): > > > > 'This letter is to warn you of some potential illegal activity that may be > > occurring between the seller of Edgar Froese Macular Transfer > > (Barbakane1) and > > myself, so the same won't happen to you!!! I was the high bidder > > on the above cd > > yesterday, and paid 130.00 through paypal for this item. After > > is was cleared > > through paypal, he informed me that he was mailing off a homemade cd-r of > > Tangerine Dream. This is not what I bid on.' > > > > It seems he wrote this nice letter to all the people who bid on > > my CD. I never > > received the amount from him, nor did I send him a 'homemade > > cd-r' (the original > > CD is still lying in my office). Just last year I sent him my last copy of > > 'L'affaire Wallraff' (how naive!) and all I received was an > > empty letter, I lost > > $40+ on this. > > > > Heiko > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 7:00 pm Subject: Deadly Care I passed up Deadly Care one day because it was $9, I had $8 and the Oasis CD was $7. i've not heard much about this album. What do you think about it? > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Jenkins [mailto:hyperborea@b...] > HI I was very concerned when I read these postings, at the weekend as > I had won auction for Deadly Care last tuesday from dronemusic,but to Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27872 Re: Deadly Care Gary Jenkins Mon 7/23/2001 2 KB 27874 Re: Deadly Care maggior@m... Mon 7/23/2001 3 KB 27884 Re: Deadly Care Gary Jenkins Tue 7/24/2001 2 KB 30365 Deadly Care Brian Stewart Mon 12/3/2001 2 KB 30371 Re: Deadly Care Kevin Robert Ball Mon 12/3/2001 3 KB 30387 Re: Deadly Care Jens Kilian Tue 12/4/2001 3 KB 31250 Deadly Care Paul Fellows Sat 1/12/2002 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 7:05 pm Subject: Re: Deadly Care --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: Hi Joe not had the chance to play it yet will let you know,I won,t tell you how much I payed for it, a lot more than what you saw it for. Cheers A poor Gary > I passed up Deadly Care one day because it was $9, I had $8 and the Oasis CD > was $7. i've not heard much about this album. What do you think about it? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gary Jenkins [mailto:hyperborea@b...] > > > HI I was very concerned when I read these postings, at the weekend as > > I had won auction for Deadly Care last tuesday from dronemusic,but to From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 10:06 pm Subject: I bloody couldn't take it anymore... ~lol~ Hi gang! OK -- I just couldn't help myself... ~lol~ Just posted this on the TDI guestbook website. ********************************************** My Dear Tangerine Dream -- OK -- We've all been *good* and *diehard* speculation is running rampant (in the Yahoo Tadream newsgroups anyway)... ~lol~ Because of the smaller venues theme (700 - 1800 TD fans & diehards), we've had to rule out certain historic sites (Paramount, BCT, Warfield, and Wiltern Theaters to name but just a few) that you've played many times in the past... ~a really big TD diehard sigh~ So, just give us what state of the USA tour that you plan to end up in... ~pretty please with lots of *TD* sugar on top!~ Or, better yet -- what's the last ~Tangerine Dream~ USA concert venue? To quote my good friend James: 'TD inquiring minds want to know!' :-))) Best Always, -- Al (the TD's pal), Berkeley, CA / USA PS: Owl -- We've all done it (screwed up the TD facts). Last time for me was listing the Reims Cathedral (the 'infamous' one) as December 13, 1974. Of course it's September 13, 1974... ;-) Bloody number thirteen! ~lol~ ****************************************************************** So, until they answer (~lol~), or posts the remainder of the bloody USA concert venues (Ticketmaster is still stuck on the Tralf) -- what's the 'watering hole' going to be for the Ventura Theater TD concert (11.09.01)? Thinking that it might be a damn good idea for *all* of us to meet somewhere prior to the big TD show... (Of course, the very last TD concert venue will surely be that.). :^) Best Always, -- Al (Berkeley, CA) PS: The Ventura Theater concert ticket(s) has been posted under 'files' in the main page Tadream in the Yahoo Groups... NP: 'Deadly Care' by TD. I like it! :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'maggior@m...' Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 8:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Deadly Care I paid a bit more than $9 for mine as well a number of years back. I remember this CD being referred to as 'Deadly Snore' on the old TD mailing list. Once I listened to the CD I could appreciate the comment. I was dissapointed by this CD. Rich Maggio Original Message: ----------------- From: Gary Jenkins hyperborea@b... Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:05:16 -0000 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Deadly Care --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: Hi Joe not had the chance to play it yet will let you know,I won,t tell you how much I payed for it, a lot more than what you saw it for. Cheers A poor Gary > I passed up Deadly Care one day because it was $9, I had $8 and the Oasis CD > was $7. i've not heard much about this album. What do you think about it? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gary Jenkins [mailto:hyperborea@b...] > > > HI I was very concerned when I read these postings, at the weekend as > > I had won auction for Deadly Care last tuesday from dronemusic,but to ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 6:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Here's a question... > So, is 3 Tier Dream disc 2 also from the London Hammersmith Odeon > 20.10.81 concert? The liner notes of 3 Tier Dream mention Hammersmith > Odeon as the source of disc 2. Great performance, BTW. It's a shame that > this concert was never officially released... Yes, disc 2 of '3 tier dream' is an excerpt of the London Hammersmith 1981 tour, the full show had two long sets of 45+ minutes each and two encores (Kiev Mission & Choronzon) It's indeed sad that there was no official release of the music that was played on that concert tour, there's still plenty of material left that hasn't been released officially yet. Heiko From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 1:39 pm Subject: homepage update Hello, new tape/CDR lists, new swaplist, and a new auction + new rarity on: http://www.caby.de/Music enjoy ! klaus From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 6:31 pm Subject: [tadream] No new releases planned Hi all, Re. the 'release schedule' part of the TDI site, I wonder what 'deleted' really means? Nothing on the 'coming soon' bit either. Does this bode ill tidings for the future of TD releases in general or even the existance of TD itself? I don't want to be alarmist here, but to cancel all future plans can only mean one thing in my view: light at the end of the tunnel of the seemingly never-ending search for TD releases...I was running out of space on my shelves anyway... Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27879 Re: No new releases planned PERGAMON Tue 7/24/2001 3 KB 27882 Re: No new releases planned Armin Theissen Tue 7/24/2001 4 KB 27881 Re: No new releases planned glynn_naughton@h... Tue 7/24/2001 3 KB 27883 Re: No new releases planned ampmusic Tue 7/24/2001 3 KB 27889 Re: No new releases planned thomas.soucheleau@n... Wed 7/25/2001 3 KB 27890 Re: No new releases planned Synthhtnys@a... Wed 7/25/2001 3 KB 27895 Re: No new releases planned Sean Montgomery Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB 27897 Re: No new releases planned Feldon Feldon Wed 7/25/2001 3 KB 27901 Re: No new releases planned Hilary Wright Wed 7/25/2001 4 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 1:16 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream webring is open Hi Folks, I've just created the 'Tangerine Dream webring' on Yahoo, so anyone who has his or her own TD homepage and wants to be a part of this ring please follow the following URL: http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=thetangerinedrea ..and click on the 'Join this ring' button on the upper right side. The rest should explain itself (hopefully ;-) Please note that this ring is still 'under construction', I'm a bloody amateur who doesn't know much about HTML stuff etc (just look at my site and you know what I mean ;-), so it will take some time to get this all done. Any help or suggestion about the presentation of this webring is greatly appreciated, but if possible please do this off-list (heiko.heerssen@h...) I try to keep the ring up-to-date but since I only have access to the internet during work it might take a bit longer for me to update it. And in case it's too much work I'll have to delete the ring. Heiko the Ringmaster (sounds like 'Wrestlemania' ~lol~) From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 3:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] No new releases planned Hi This can mean anything, it can also mean that they removed the plan to get rid of fans ranting if the album isn't released at the time stated. It can mean that the albums is going to be called something else. It can mean that there are some copyright-problems of the material on the albums. It can mean anything............. If TD continues making music, great, if they choose to stop, well I have had a great time with their music and will keep on listening to their music a lot of years to come. Whatever they choose to do, they will still have my respect and I will still be a Dreamer..... Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Fellows' To: Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: [tadream] No new releases planned > Hi all, > > Re. the 'release schedule' part of the TDI site, I wonder what 'deleted' > really means? Nothing on the 'coming soon' bit either. Does this bode ill > tidings for the future of TD releases in general or even the existance of TD > itself? I don't want to be alarmist here, but to cancel all future plans > can only mean one thing in my view: light at the end of the tunnel of the > seemingly never-ending search for TD releases...I was running out of space > on my shelves anyway... > > Paul > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27882 Re: No new releases planned Armin Theissen Tue 7/24/2001 4 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 4:09 pm Subject: diehard/Subject: RE: Re: Ventura, CA Concert Diehard fan here. My ventura ticket arrived last night--general admission GAO ticket number 1 :) --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 4:15 pm Subject: Re: No new releases planned --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > Hi all, > > Re. the 'release schedule' part of the TDI site, I wonder what 'deleted' > really means? Nothing on the 'coming soon' bit either. Does this bode ill > tidings for the future of TD releases in general or even the existance of TD > itself? I don't want to be alarmist here, but to cancel all future plans > can only mean one thing in my view: light at the end of the tunnel of the > seemingly never-ending search for TD releases...I was running out of space > on my shelves anyway... > > Paul The other week when we had the thread about sales figures and it came out that _Tyranny of Beauty_ had sold only 566 copies in the UK, I started to wonder about how long they could continue. _TOB_ was released at a time when they were still more-or-less sticking to a regular 'one main album per year'-type schedule. It seems that the releases they do these days are much more 'specialised' (how many casual TD fans - if there are any left - would buy stuff like _Ambient Monkeys_ or _Seven Letters from Tibet_? Even I and I'm sure others who are interested enough to be on this list don't bother with stuff like that.) I would guess, therefore, that their sales figures now are even lower. If the figures for the rest of the world scale to the UK figures, perhaps they are reaching a point where they would lose money by releasing CDs? And after 30 years, maybe they've just run out of ideas. When the _Dream Mixes_ thing started, it was a 'just for fun' sideline to their main activities. Things have spiralled down to the point where the third _DM_ album is marketed as a full-blown release. This to me suggests that from a creative as well as financial point we might be reaching the end... Glynn From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 4:38 pm Subject: Re: No new releases planned Lion's share became Mars Polaris - because they were invited to Klangart which they could not forsee at the time they announced Lion's Share on the web. Same probably with the now deleted releases because they suddenly see themselves very busy with Dante's Inferno and tour plans. TD still lives a very dynamic live. Who can predict the future? armin --- In tadream@y..., 'PERGAMON' wrote: > Hi > > This can mean anything, it can also mean that they removed the plan to get rid of fans ranting if the album isn't released at the time stated. It can mean that the albums is going to be called something else. It can mean that there are some copyright-problems of the material on the albums. It can mean anything............. If TD continues making music, great, if they choose to stop, well I have had a great time with their music and will keep on listening to their music a lot of years to come. Whatever they choose to do, they will still have my respect and I will still be a Dreamer..... > > Jan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Paul Fellows' > To: > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 8:31 PM > Subject: [tadream] No new releases planned > > > > Hi all, > > > > Re. the 'release schedule' part of the TDI site, I wonder what 'deleted' > > really means? Nothing on the 'coming soon' bit either. Does this bode ill > > tidings for the future of TD releases in general or even the existance of TD > > itself? I don't want to be alarmist here, but to cancel all future plans > > can only mean one thing in my view: light at the end of the tunnel of the > > seemingly never-ending search for TD releases...I was running out of space > > on my shelves anyway... > > > > Paul > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > From: ampmusic Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 6:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: No new releases planned It was 655 - but as regards running out of ideas, I think you're on the right track :-) > The other week when we had the thread about sales figures and it came > out that _Tyranny of Beauty_ had sold only 566 copies in the UK... > > And after 30 years, maybe they've just run out of ideas. When the > _Dream Mixes_ thing started, it was a 'just for fun' sideline to > their main activities. Things have spiralled down to the point where > the third _DM_ album is marketed as a full-blown release. This to me > suggests that from a creative as well as financial point we might be > reaching the end... > > Glynn > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 5:25 pm Subject: Re: Deadly Care --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > I passed up Deadly Care one day because it was $9, I had $8 and the Oasis CD > was $7. i've not heard much about this album. What do you think about it? > > >Hi Joe after one listen this soundtrack is quite different to others of that period,it is very dark and moody just like the film by reading the plot. Unfortunately you have 11 tracks with a running time of 32 mins and you get three versions of the main theme which take up about 13 minutes so music quantity is not great,but still it is not a bad effort for a TV movie. Cheers Gary. NP Binary secrets -Dom F scab (check him out he is good) > > > > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 7:25 pm Subject: no death knell, collectors club, fantapes, beat the bootleggers.... >TD still lives a very dynamic live. Who can predict the future? Right, certainly no time to sound the death knell. And what with the recent prices for Macula Transfer (on groove.nl--it went for at least $175 so there's still plenty of demand) and others, perhaps there's a continuing consideration to revisit the old catalog for renewed release. There's 420 members on this list alone. Maybe it's time for a 'Collectors Club' a la King Crimson (www.disciplineglobalmobile.com) for limited archival releases. On the ozrics mailing list, it has been customary for tapers/creators of fan CDRs of Ozric Tentacles shows to provide a copy for the archives of the band when requested. Seems reasonable enough. I'm sure folks on this list would oblige. After all, the recent quote from Conrad Schnitzler suggest the TD archive is by no means complete. And we know that Soundmill Navigator--ina ddition to the new sounds--seems to have it's source tape problems. And hey, it was Frank Zappa who worked on beating the bootleggers at their own game--he released their wares as official releases.... Which would no doubt increase the Froese's venue stream while ppossibly limiting the continuous release/doctoring of classic TD material. --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 7:50 pm Subject: Macular transfer > And what with the recent prices for Macula Transfer (on groove.nl--it went > for at least $175 Is this for the CD or the vinyl?????? From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 10:39 pm Subject: re: Subject: Macular transfer From: 'PERGAMON' >>And what with the recent prices for Macula Transfer (on groove.nl--it went >for at least $175 >Is this for the CD or the vinyl?????? AFAIK, it was the CD on the recent groove.nl auction. The bid was $175 shortly before it ended. --t _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27888 Re: Subject: Macular transfer Armin Theissen Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB 27891 Re: Subject: Macular transfer Phil White Wed 7/25/2001 3 KB 27898 Re: Subject: Macular transfer Julannparc@a... Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB 27899 Re: Subject: Macular transfer Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB 27900 Re: Subject: Macular transfer Julannparc@a... Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 7:02 am Subject: Re: Subject: Macular transfer Geez, I'm glad I've got one... (but only one) a. --- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote: > From: 'PERGAMON' > > >>And what with the recent prices for Macula Transfer (on groove.nl--it went > >for at least $175 > > >Is this for the CD or the vinyl?????? > > AFAIK, it was the CD on the recent groove.nl auction. The bid was $175 > shortly before it ended. > > --t > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 7:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: No new releases planned 655 copies are poor sales indeed but I guess that they would have stoped the band already if they had such trouble selling their albums. There was (and is) no longer a market in the UK for TD's music and the same goes for france and other europeans countries as well. But in the early 90's, they were in the US new age charts on a regular basis it seems. May be they are selling less in each country but selling in more countries than in the past as well. As for running out of ideas. Edgar may be tired - he's no youngster - but I think he's the kind of guy never to run out of ideas. May be he has more trouble expressing them than he used to. These days, I'm listening mostly to Tournado, TimeSquare, Mars Polaris and DM3 and well, I think they're still damn good. Or maybe this is Jerome's touch? But this is another story... ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 8:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: No new releases planned Well, I certainly hope this isn't a sign of financial trouble for TD, however if it IS the case the reasons should be obvious to all the listmembers here. Edgar has made it clear on several occaisions that he is not swayed by fans opinions one way or the other, which while being admirable on an artistic level isn't terribly good business sense. There are extremely easy answers to recurring issues that pop up here now and then, for example: The fans of the 'classic era' hate the tangentizing of older material, well instead of taking the time to add new parts why not spend that time taking care of the already existing audio problems... if a listmember/amateur at recording can eliminate the well known fsst fsst fsst problem in Soundmill Navigator in Sound Forge (Or it might have been Cool Edit Pro) I simply cannot understand why 'Professionals' cannot take care of it. How on earth did the same section of Rubycon get placed in the Tangents box set TWICE? These are very easy things to catch. Anyway, I digress. Someone mentioned Legitimate bootlegs on a periodical basis like what King Crimson is doing... this is an excellent idea, providing they take the care that Discipline records does. There is a wealth of material they can release to the fans who are screaming for it. If there is some aesthetic problem on Edgars part of not wanting to revisit the past... well that's his choice, but again a bad idea in business terms. Now if they started releasing the old material even on a limited run basis, they certainly could move lots of units considering how many concerts were recorded. It wouldn't take THAT long to properly master them and the time they saved by not adding new parts could be spent writing new music to please the fans that prefer the new material. (Digression part 2) And while I'm at it how about more synthesizers and less Bongos/pseudo Heavy Metal guitar/saxaphone? Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Phil White' Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 10:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re: Subject: Macular transfer Hi, What sort of price does the vinyl Macula Transfer go for ? Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 11:39 PM Subject: [tadream] re: Subject: Macular transfer > From: 'PERGAMON' > > >>And what with the recent prices for Macula Transfer (on groove.nl--it went > >for at least $175 > > >Is this for the CD or the vinyl?????? > > AFAIK, it was the CD on the recent groove.nl auction. The bid was $175 > shortly before it ended. > > --t > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.264 / Virus Database: 136 - Release Date: 7/2/01 From: NHn8tiv@h... Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 4:04 am Subject: touring? When will TD be coming to the east coust of the U.S. (D.C. area? ) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27894 Re: touring? moxica@m... Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 2:22 pm Subject: slamming electronics As far as computer drums, I think the objection is really to the cheese. There's been plenty of that around for years and since 1986 was brought up, I'd offer that it was during the early MIDI craze that things got out-of-hand and that perhaps it was the Yamaha DX series more than anything infected EM for years. Beautiful fat analog sounds of yore were given way to tinny FM synthesis. From which EM has had a difficult time recovering. Outboard processing post FM synthesis just doesn't have the same sound. Oh sure, if you put enough delay on it you could thicken it up, but it still isn't analog. Certainly the price and controller capability of those synths led musicians to use them. And hey, if Yamaha wanted to throw a DX7, 9, or 100 your way, why not? I did program some of those synths for a friend of mine in those days and they certainly weren't as fun (even if considerably less problematic) than changing patchcords and twisting knobs, er, um, ahem as it were. :) Speaking of infection--these days I want an Access Virus to play with, but there's a two month backorder on those--or at least that's what one dealer told me. --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28034 Re: slamming electronics Matthew Stringer Mon 7/30/2001 2 KB From: moxica@m... Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 2:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] touring? tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > When will TD be coming to the east coust of the U.S. (D.C. area? ) They've scheduled a show in Alexandria, VA -- check ticketmaster.com for details! - jim From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: No new releases planned Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > There is a wealth of material they can release to the fans who are screaming for it....Now if they started releasing the old > material even on a limited run basis, they certainly could move lots of units considering how many concerts were recorded. It > wouldn't take THAT long to properly master them and the time they saved by not adding new parts could be spent writing new > music to please the fans that prefer the new material. I've been lying low recently, but when I read this message I said 'yes!' This is exactly what I've been saying for the past three years. This message needs to be conveyed to Edgar. It should be laminated and mounted above his workstation. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27897 Re: No new releases planned Feldon Feldon Wed 7/25/2001 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 4:04 pm Subject: buffalo TD ticketmaster update buffalo TD ticketmaster update it's no longer on ticketmaster's website. Hopefully that just means the show is sold out.... --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27919 Re: buffalo TD ticketmaster update Michael A Jean Thu 7/26/2001 3 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: No new releases planned Thank you for summing up what I've been ranting about (usually at a cost of people leaving the list!) for all this time. I think I behaved myself fairly well on the Oke 2001 trip. I made a promise not to bash Edgar or TD and it was hard since I was in company of a lot of people who feel the same way as me. :) -Morgan At 11:18 AM 7/25/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > >Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > >> There is a wealth of material they can release to the fans who are screaming for it....Now if they started releasing the old >> material even on a limited run basis, they certainly could move lots of units considering how many concerts were recorded. It >> wouldn't take THAT long to properly master them and the time they saved by not adding new parts could be spent writing new >> music to please the fans that prefer the new material. > >I've been lying low recently, but when I read this message I said 'yes!' This is exactly what I've been saying for the past >three years. This message needs to be conveyed to Edgar. It should be laminated and mounted above his workstation. > > >-- >SEAN MONTGOMERY > >T O P I X / Mad Dog >http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: Julannparc@a... Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 6:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re: Subject: Macular transfer Teiwaz Are you Edgar froese,Bloody hell man .The reading material on this page is evovled around you.Where were you in sheps bush DIEHARD. were were you in 73 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 6:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re: Subject: Macular transfer no comment Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] re: Subject: Macular transfer > Teiwaz Are you Edgar froese,Bloody hell man .The reading material on this > page is > evovled around you.Where were you in sheps bush DIEHARD. were were you in 73 > From: Julannparc@a... Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 6:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re: Subject: Macular transfer Stick to the states Taiwaz,wE HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 6:57 pm Subject: Re: No new releases planned Hi All, I'll be listening to TD for a long time still (I hope!) whether they release new material, old concert recordings or whatever. There is so much good music already. I'm listening to Seven Letters as I write. Talk about a super soundscape - this album is a real masterpiece - it takes me back to the early period of Phaedra, Atem etc but with more maturity of composition. Regards, Hilary --- In tadream@y..., Feldon Feldon wrote: > Thank you for summing up what I've been ranting about (usually at a cost of > people leaving the list!) for all this time. I think I behaved myself > fairly well on the Oke 2001 trip. I made a promise not to bash Edgar or TD > and it was hard since I was in company of a lot of people who feel the same > way as me. :) > > -Morgan > > At 11:18 AM 7/25/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > >Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > > >> There is a wealth of material they can release to the fans who are > screaming for it....Now if they started releasing the old > >> material even on a limited run basis, they certainly could move lots of > units considering how many concerts were recorded. It > >> wouldn't take THAT long to properly master them and the time they saved > by not adding new parts could be spent writing new > >> music to please the fans that prefer the new material. > > > >I've been lying low recently, but when I read this message I said 'yes!' > This is exactly what I've been saying for the past > >three years. This message needs to be conveyed to Edgar. It should be > laminated and mounted above his workstation. > > > > > >-- > >SEAN MONTGOMERY > > > >T O P I X / Mad Dog > >http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Julannparc@a... Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 7:08 pm Subject: The TD so -called end. They are the Greatest Electronic band of all time.You can stick your wonder kid bands up your bottoms? The only one that comes close is Mr Schulze. Tangerine Dream! Untouchable BRILLIANCE. Edgar Froese,The undoubted king of the mellotron. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27903 Re: The TD so -called end. Julannparc@a... Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB 27904 Re: The TD so -called end. Julannparc@a... Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB 27905 Re: The TD so -called end. Sean Montgomery Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB 27907 Re: The TD so -called end. Julannparc@a... Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB 27908 Re: The TD so -called end. Julannparc@a... Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB 27913 Re: The TD so -called end. Michal Moroz Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB 27914 Re: The TD so -called end. Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 7/25/2001 3 KB 27918 Re: The TD so -called end. rbrown4856@a... Thu 7/26/2001 2 KB 27922 Re: The TD so -called end. mengels@w... Thu 7/26/2001 2 KB From: Julannparc@a... Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The TD so -called end. Magic Edgar Froese,The Berlin schools Head tutor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Julannparc@a... Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 7:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The TD so -called end. There is no doubt? Edgar is King.The Greatest of all time! Just listen to Maroubra bay,Sheesh Untouchable. Wonderful talent [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The TD so -called end. Julannparc@a... wrote: > They are the Greatest Electronic band of all time.You can stick your wonder > kid bands up your bottoms? The only one that comes close is Mr Schulze. > Tangerine Dream! Untouchable BRILLIANCE. Edgar Froese,The undoubted king of the mellotron. Ah, so now it can be revealed: Edgar has been lurking on this list all along, and he's using the e-mail adderss Julannparc@a... -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 7:19 pm Subject: SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:57:40 -0000 'Hilary Wright' writes: >[. . .] I'm listening to Seven Letters as I write. > > Talk about a super soundscape - this album is a real masterpiece - > it takes me back to the early period of Phaedra, Atem etc but with >more maturity of composition. Ummm . . . are we thinking of the same album? ;) I equate SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET with DESTINATION CUT-OUT BIN (DESTINATION BERLIN), myself: a one-off quickie done without much forethought (or afterthought). > Regards, > > Hilary Steven Feldman, aka Stephie-mouse http://members.spree.com/molasar/pix/titmouse.html From: Julannparc@a... Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 7:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The TD so -called end. Is it a Joke Sean Or serious?Rubycon the WORLDS BEST. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Julannparc@a... Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 7:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The TD so -called end. Ho Ho Ho. Edgar is king [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 8:04 pm Subject: Hello Guys,I respect every post you deliver here,But i must sat Tangerine Dream dead is madness chatter. Rubycon,The greatest album i have ever heard. Im hoping for a live performance in 2005 in UK, Somehow i doubt it.Massive sounds by the GREATEST. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27910 (no subject) Gary Jenkins Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB 27911 Re: (unknown) Feldon Feldon Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 8:12 pm Subject: --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote: > Hello Guys,I respect every post you deliver here,But i must sat > Tangerine Dream dead is madness chatter. > Rubycon,The greatest album i have ever heard. Im hoping for a live > performance in 2005 in UK, Somehow i doubt it.Massive sounds by the > GREATEST. Hi Colin lets hope it's before 2005 how about next year. by the way how many bottles of that Glenfidden stuff have you had tonight. Cheers Gary DM3 superb From: Feldon Feldon Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 8:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (unknown) Ok, this is 10 posts you've made today. 3 times you've said that Rubycon is the best, or that Edgar is the master of the Mellotron or some other thing. Please state the things you want to say in a single post if it's all on the same subject. -Morgan At 08:04 PM 7/25/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Hello Guys,I respect every post you deliver here,But i must sat >Tangerine Dream dead is madness chatter. > Rubycon,The greatest album i have ever heard. Im hoping for a live >performance in 2005 in UK, Somehow i doubt it.Massive sounds by the >GREATEST. > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 8:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] (unknown) haha- I remember there was some rumor of Edgar hanging it up in 2000, and that proved to be ... a rumor. I think 'madness chatter' is a good enough term for it. Good to see you come out of lurk mode, Colin! Now if we can just get all your messages condensed into one... ;-) Joe np: Dreamwatcher's Tales - Free System Projekt - Faraday (nice, Marcel!) > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Jouxson [mailto:Julannparc@a...] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 4:04 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] (unknown) > > > Hello Guys,I respect every post you deliver here,But i must sat > Tangerine Dream dead is madness chatter. > Rubycon,The greatest album i have ever heard. Im hoping for a live > performance in 2005 in UK, Somehow i doubt it.Massive sounds by the > GREATEST. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27915 Re: (unknown) Julannparc@a... Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB 27916 Re: (unknown) Julannparc@a... Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB 27923 The 2000 'rumour' glynn_naughton@h... Thu 7/26/2001 2 KB 27925 Re: The 2000 'rumour' mengels@w... Thu 7/26/2001 3 KB 27945 Re: (unknown) GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Thu 7/26/2001 2 KB 34511 Re: (unknown) Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 6/25/2002 4 KB 34513 Re: (unknown) Matthew Sawyer Wed 6/26/2002 4 KB 36121 Re: (unknown) PERGAMON pergamondk Wed 9/11/2002 3 KB 38612 Re: (unknown) Administrator dale1kay Thu 1/30/2003 3 KB From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 8:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The TD so -called end. >They are the Greatest Electronic band of all time.You can stick your wonder >kid bands up your bottoms? The only one that comes close is Mr Schulze. >Tangerine Dream! Untouchable BRILLIANCE. Edgar Froese,The undoubted king of >the mellotron. Well maybe Froese senior was the man behind the band, but the man behind the music was Chris. Today what Froese junior is representing is for me a joke (compared what the band did in the 70, 80's) I was very disgusted with Dream Mixes III. When I heard fragment's of it it the shop I sad enough is enough. The band lost it's respect. Now they're just an average synth band for me. Greetings from Vienna Station_M From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 8:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The TD so -called end. Both(Chris and Edgar) had ideas and way of expressing musical agendas in vast different ways. When together, something totally new and unique that each could not do without the other happen. The same holds for his son. What you may not like others will. I pretty much do not go for 'country/western/rap crap' as I call it but I do know a lot of others who do. As a performer you are expected to cater to these styles. Perhaps Jerome is doing just that for club mixes. I would not write him off so soon yet. He stills has much to learn. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Michal Moroz' > Well maybe Froese senior was the man behind the band, but the man behind the > music was Chris. > Today what Froese junior is representing is for me a joke (compared what the > band did in the 70, 80's) > I was very disgusted with Dream Mixes III. When I heard fragment's of it it > the shop I sad enough is enough. The band lost it's respect. Now they're > just an average synth band for me. > > Greetings from Vienna > Station_M From: Julannparc@a... Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 8:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (unknown) Hello Gary,Just had 1 of the great Glenfiddich tonight,TD are the greatest,You are a diamond. Best regards EF. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Julannparc@a... Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 8:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (unknown) Ok Diehard, Im jusyt trying to express my support fot TD.If you are monitering this site,get shot of me. Get a life my friend,Theres 148 td cds in my domain. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 9:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: ks live osnabrueck Armin Theissen wrote on 20/7/01 9:09: . I should >have concentrated that >effort on KS. I saw him and >Rainer Bloss two times >around 83, and that was >really kick ass! Indeed! I saw them on the Audentity tour in Catford, London in 1983 and this still rates as one of the best gigs I've ever been to. T. np The Circular Ruins 'It's Earthly Name (Was Fire)'. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28038 Klaus Schulze Live 1983 Kevin Robert Ball Mon 7/30/2001 3 KB From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 2:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The TD so -called end. If Chris was the one behind the music what in the Hell happened to him after he went solo.Talk about CRAP! Rick-NP:Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (A Masterpiece) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 3:10 am Subject: RE: [tadream] buffalo TD ticketmaster update It is shown there this evening.... > -----Original Message----- > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:05 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; teiwazbarana@h... > Subject: [tadream] buffalo TD ticketmaster update > > > buffalo TD ticketmaster update > > it's no longer on ticketmaster's website. Hopefully that just means the > show is sold out.... > > --tei > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: vic rek Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 2:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: You're all getting excited in the States - but what about Poland? Hi Roger, I just booked my ticket to Warsaw today. Maybe I'll see some folks from the list, but I'm not sure how this will work out. Plenty of Polish TD fans (from the Polish TD list) will be there too and I'm sure they'll be gathering at some watering hole before the show... Vic gmroger@p... wrote: > With all the excitement going on between the list members as regards the States and the band's visit there, I was > wondering - what's happened to all the fans - particularly the Polish ones - who plan to go to Warsaw? To date, I > only know two confirmees going - or four if you count wives - and that's: > > 1. Roger Hartopp (& wife) (British, but from Poland) > 2. Jorge Figueiredo (& wife) (from Portugal) > > I suspect that a 'gathering point' for fans may be more difficult than Shepherd's Bush. Let's face it, there will be a > few thousand there, not just a few hundred. I'm still trying to find a reasonably priced place to stay - the ones > mentioned on the list by Piotr S. Millenium (are you going?) are still a little pricey. We're trying to contact the Hotel > Belfer which is pretty damn close to the bridge. Anybody know if they have rooms? We did contemplate taking a > train straight back home to Krakow, but at that time of night they are painfully slow. > > I know all you Americans are excited - but Poland comes first! (But, damn, I wish I could go to the States too!) > > Roger Hartopp > > -- > > Znudzilo Ci sie logo w komorce? > Wgraj nowe [ http://komorki.onet.pl/dodatki.html ] > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27951 Re: You're all getting excited in the States - bu Geir Smedsrud Thu 7/26/2001 2 KB From: vic rek Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 3:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Russian TD releases I am not sure if there are any 'official' Russian releases. I mean the releases wereby TD actually receives some royalties. But these items are interesting to collect. Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Hi again, > can somebody please tell me if these Russian CD releases are official or > bootlegs..because I couldn't find any catalogue numbers on it, except > that some have Russian words and also numbers like 'No. 2132/M3-97' or > '20.01.97' > > --Goblin's club (silver/blue CD label with 'TD Goblin Club' logo) > --Zeit & Alpha Centauri (both have the same front and back cover like > those 1996 re-issues on Castle Communications, but miss the liner notes > from Julian Cope etc.) > --Phaedra (has the same cover like the first UK CD release from the > early 80s; blue/silver CD label) > > Heiko > > From: Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 6:58 am Subject: RE: [tadream] The TD so -called end. > From: Julannparc@a... [mailto:Julannparc@a...] > > They are the Greatest Electronic band of all time.You can stick > your wonder > kid bands up your bottoms? The only one that comes close is Mr Schulze. > Tangerine Dream! Untouchable BRILLIANCE. Edgar Froese,The > undoubted king of > the mellotron. He does play the mellotron in a very nice way yes I agree. (well I have to say he played it very well...it's unbelievable when listening to the latest things that this is the same person). There aren't many who play it like that...at least not (imo!) RedShift, Cosmic Hoffman or Paul Lawler imo... (this is not meant as an attack to the above mentioned artists, it's just (very) different). In fact there are very very few bands who play like 70s TD live... Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 8:15 am Subject: The 2000 'rumour' --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > haha- I remember there was some rumor of Edgar hanging it up in 2000, and > that proved to be ... a rumor. > I think 'madness chatter' is a good enough term for it. > > Good to see you come out of lurk mode, Colin! > Now if we can just get all your messages condensed into one... ;-) > > Joe Sorry, but idea that the 'Edgar quits is 2000' was a rumour is, in fact...a rumour :-). At the backstage get-together in 1997, someone asked Edgar if he planned to retire in 2000 and he replied yes. It went something like this: Someone: Edgar, is it true you plan to retire in 2000? Edgar : Yes I was sitting right next to Edgar at the time, and I assure you that this exchange did in fact happen. Obviously Edgar changed his mind, but this 'rumour' actually came from the horse's mouth. Honest. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27925 Re: The 2000 'rumour' mengels@w... Thu 7/26/2001 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 8:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The 2000 'rumour' > I was sitting right next to Edgar at the time, and I assure you that > this exchange did in fact happen. Obviously Edgar changed his mind, > but this 'rumour' actually came from the horse's mouth. Honest. Back in the late 80's Edgar also said that Tangerine Dream would be dissolved in 1990...it seems he is spreading this kind of rumour every 10 years ;-) Heiko From: Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 10:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The 2000 'rumour' But if you retire it doesn't mean you can't make music. Thats what he probably meant. :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > Sorry, but idea that the 'Edgar quits is 2000' was a rumour is, in > fact...a rumour :-). At the backstage get-together in 1997, someone > asked Edgar if he planned to retire in 2000 and he replied yes. It > went something like this: > > Someone: Edgar, is it true you plan to retire in 2000? > Edgar : Yes > > I was sitting right next to Edgar at the time, and I assure you that > this exchange did in fact happen. Obviously Edgar changed his mind, > but this 'rumour' actually came from the horse's mouth. Honest. > > Glynn > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 8:44 am Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] The TD so -called end. >He does play the mellotron in a very nice way yes I agree. >(well I have to say he played it very well...it's unbelievable >when listening to the latest things that this is the same person). >.... >In fact there are very very few bands who play like 70s TD live... Unbelievable? I like the idea not to get stuck into a good old working formula. What is it the guy should do? Keep on improvising upon long analog sequences I guess! :) I feel like many fans enjoy TD for what it has been only during a short period of time. For many reasons, that short period of time crystallized some kind of distorted perception of a band that at some point and by accident happened to make history. I've been amazed by the harsh reactions to the seven letters from tibet as it is such an obvious reference to the very beginning of the band (while probably trying to keep on feeding the new-age audience). Dare say the last track wouldn't fit on Phaedra if played on the mellotron! Now, what's the problem? Well, at the time he was TD's second brain, Franke was probably the most important contributor in term of sound-design while the Froese formula was mellotron+organ+guitar. So, since 'Mr Franke' is no longer around, maybe Froese needs someone to help in the sound design field (he wouldn't be the first). But as far as the compositions are concerned, the guy is certainly not burn out. In the end, I feel like he really knows what he's saying when talking about the more ambitious stuff he has in store that fans would fail to understand. Whatever he says about not caring for fans'opinions, I'd bet he knows it all of the endless old/new material disussions, for this must have been going on since the mid 80's! I guess TD's musical shifts are as painful to lovers of classic analog space music as it must be painful for Froese to get bashed by people who love the Band for just some blazing fragments of what it is. After all, it's only music, isn't it? Regards, Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27936 Re: The TD so -called end. mengels@w... Thu 7/26/2001 4 KB 27937 Re: The TD so -called end. odean@m... Thu 7/26/2001 2 KB 27938 Re: The TD so -called end. mengels@w... Thu 7/26/2001 3 KB 27941 Re: The TD so -called end. j.gordon Thu 7/26/2001 3 KB 27950 Re: The TD so -called end. Feldon Feldon Thu 7/26/2001 4 KB From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 9:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The TD so -called end. >If Chris was the one behind the music what in the Hell happened to him after >he went solo.Talk about CRAP! Well there are some wonderful albums like: Klemania (my top 5), London Concert and Celestine Prophecy (new age?) . I have also 7 Babylon 5 releases and I like them (especially the vol2 cd) Other cds I haven't heard so I can't say much about them. Greetings Station_M From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 9:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Russian TD releases >I am not sure if there are any 'official' Russian releases. I mean the >releases wereby TD actually receives some royalties. But these items are >interesting to collect. I got a 'Russian' or 'Ukrainian' version of Atem, where on the cd is written: All rights reserved... in russian. But the cd is nothing official, it's a pirate :) Greetings Station_M From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 10:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The TD so -called end. > Well there are some wonderful albums like: Klemania (my top 5), London > Concert and Celestine Prophecy (new age?) . I have also 7 Babylon 5 releases > and I like them (especially the vol2 cd) > Other cds I haven't heard so I can't say much about them. I think Chris Franke's role in the early TD line-up has always been underestimated, especially when I listen to some old live concerts from the 70s. I can't think of anyone else who created such powerful leadlines or rhythms with a sequencer..but then again there weren't many of them who did these kind of things. If there would be a Top 10 list of keyboard musicians Chris Franke will always stay on top! Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27935 Re: The TD so -called end. mengels@w... Thu 7/26/2001 2 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 11:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: No new releases planned Glad to see someone else here on the list who likes it. 'The Golden Heart' is my current TD anthem, and I love the whole album to bits. As far as I'm concerned, they can stuff all the Dream Mixes projects and try to develop along these lines instead. Then again, not that I do or should have any input. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Hilary Wright' To: Sent: 25 July 2001 19:57 Subject: [tadream] Re: No new releases planned > Hi All, > > I'll be listening to TD for a long time still (I hope!) whether they > release new material, old concert recordings or whatever. There is so > much good music already. I'm listening to Seven Letters as I write. > Talk about a super soundscape - this album is a real masterpiece - it > takes me back to the early period of Phaedra, Atem etc but with more > maturity of composition. > > Regards, > > Hilary > > > > --- In tadream@y..., Feldon Feldon wrote: > > Thank you for summing up what I've been ranting about (usually at a > cost of > > people leaving the list!) for all this time. I think I behaved > myself > > fairly well on the Oke 2001 trip. I made a promise not to bash > Edgar or TD > > and it was hard since I was in company of a lot of people who feel > the same > > way as me. :) > > > > -Morgan > > > > At 11:18 AM 7/25/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > > > > >> There is a wealth of material they can release to the fans who > are > > screaming for it....Now if they started releasing the old > > >> material even on a limited run basis, they certainly could move > lots of > > units considering how many concerts were recorded. It > > >> wouldn't take THAT long to properly master them and the time > they saved > > by not adding new parts could be spent writing new > > >> music to please the fans that prefer the new material. > > > > > >I've been lying low recently, but when I read this message I > said 'yes!' > > This is exactly what I've been saying for the past > > >three years. This message needs to be conveyed to Edgar. It > should be > > laminated and mounted above his workstation. > > > > > > > > >-- > > >SEAN MONTGOMERY > > > > > >T O P I X / Mad Dog > > >http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 11:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Who are the other two? I doubt that the bloke on the left is Emil Hachfeld. I met the band after the 1997 gig in Bonn, with Emil Hachfeld and Zlatko Perica playing alongside Edgar and Jerome. I remember Emil being very slim, almost skinny, with a pale complexion and a self-effacing air about him. In fact, I have a picture of Emil and Zlatko somewhere... That guy in the picture could only be Emil if he's put on several stone since 1997, and if the picture obscures several other features I remember about him. I have no idea who it is with Edgar, Jerome and Gerald Gradwool (Gradwohl?) on the picture. Does anyone else know? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 23 July 2001 08:33 Subject: [tadream] Re: Who are the other two? > --- In tadream@y..., 'Roger Hartopp' wrote: > > Call up www.estrada.com.pl/koncerty.html and click on 'Most > Beautiful > > Rock for Peace'. > > > > Who are the other two guys? Has Iris had a sex change? Is this the > > line-up for Warsaw? > > > > If it's the case, does this mean NO BONGO'S? > > > > Roger Hartopp > > Gerald Gradwool (on the right - looks like Geddy Lee) and Emil > Hachfield, although this photo appears to be several years old, just > like the one of Edgar and Jerome in _Dream Mixes III_. Maybe because > Jerome was brought on board amid much fanfare about how he was fresh > young blood to revitalise TD - I suppose that photos showing that his > fresh young days are receding into the past might stimulate some > awkward questions... > > Glynn > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: vic rek Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 11:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: No new releases planned Dennis Nigbur wrote: > Glad to see someone else here on the list who likes it. 'The Golden Heart' is my current TD anthem, and I love the whole album to bits. As far as I'm concerned, they can stuff all the Dream Mixes projects and try to develop along these lines instead. > I'l second that opinion that 'The Golden Heart' is a great track. I like the mood of it and I wish more of this type of sound is released. Vic From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 10:58 am Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] The TD so -called end. Thomas, this is a fantastic contribution. I agree that Edgar probably knows about the discussions concerning the 'bad' newer material, and has done for a long time. There even seem to be people (including the great Julian Cope) who think that TD sold out after 'Atem' by recording Pink-Floyd style bubble gum electronica for Virgin. When Baumann left and Cyclone was recorded, critics (and presumably fans) accused Edgar of having lost touch with music. When Schmoelling bowed out and was replaced by Haslinger, the latter's arrival was scorned as the harbinger of death for TD. And since Jerome has been in the band, everything that came before him somehow gets glorified by critics and fans alike. Some among us on this list are still struggling to accept Jerome as a full-time member of TD, even though he's been in the band for 11 years now - six years longer than Schmoelling, and six years longer than Baumann (as far as I'm aware). Personally, I agree that the Seven Letters contain some references to very old styles of composition, but I concede that, for many other listeners, the modern-ness of the album may be more salient and possibly disturbing. I admit to liking much of TD's output since Goblins' Club, although my favourite period is still 1972-7. But I know beyond any doubt that the latter is due in no small part to pure nostalgia. Hearing badly recorded, ancient sounding synthesisers and mellotrons just takes many people back to an earlier and allegedly better life without the drudgery and irritations of the present, much like a costume drama on television or a historical novel. This is not a phenomenon limited to TD either. It almost seems to be the hallmark of a 'serious' fan of any group to 'prefer their older stuff'. And although it might be justified in some cases, it still annoys me almost every time I hear it. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 26 July 2001 09:44 Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] The TD so -called end. Unbelievable? I like the idea not to get stuck into a good old working formula. What is it the guy should do? Keep on improvising upon long analog sequences I guess! :) I feel like many fans enjoy TD for what it has been only during a short period of time. For many reasons, that short period of time crystallized some kind of distorted perception of a band that at some point and by accident happened to make history. I've been amazed by the harsh reactions to the seven letters from tibet as it is such an obvious reference to the very beginning of the band (while probably trying to keep on feeding the new-age audience). Dare say the last track wouldn't fit on Phaedra if played on the mellotron! Now, what's the problem? Well, at the time he was TD's second brain, Franke was probably the most important contributor in term of sound-design while the Froese formula was mellotron+organ+guitar. So, since 'Mr Franke' is no longer around, maybe Froese needs someone to help in the sound design field (he wouldn't be the first). But as far as the compositions are concerned, the guy is certainly not burn out. In the end, I feel like he really knows what he's saying when talking about the more ambitious stuff he has in store that fans would fail to understand. Whatever he says about not caring for fans'opinions, I'd bet he knows it all of the endless old/new material disussions, for this must have been going on since the mid 80's! I guess TD's musical shifts are as painful to lovers of classic analog space music as it must be painful for Froese to get bashed by people who love the Band for just some blazing fragments of what it is. After all, it's only music, isn't it? Regards, Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: vic rek Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 11:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Russian TD releases Michal Moroz wrote: > I got a 'Russian' or 'Ukrainian' version of Atem, where on the cd is > written: All rights reserved... in russian. > But the cd is nothing official, it's a pirate :) > Good note that these are 'Russian' or 'Ukrainian'. I understand that most are from Russia, especially the labels Spurk and Ars Nova, but some of the 'exact' pirates do originate in Ukraine, including The Golden Collection compilation. The CD market in Ukraine was shut down, but recently just re-opened again. Somehow these governments think all is OK by charging a tax on these CDs and by affixing a tax sticker (in Ukraine especially). What the dealers do is just recycle the tax stamp. They say that they will play the disc for you to 'make sure' it plays, and when you receive the disc back, the tax sticker is missing. When I bought some, I insisted that they give me the sticker. They didn't like that request, but honored it. I wonder how this tax gets filtered back to the musicians? ;-| From: Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The TD so -called end. I personally think Peters contribution are quite important. :-) I like his solo track on 70/80 box and his first 2 solo albums best. Of course the sum of the 3 is the thing to look at and the most important. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > I think Chris Franke's role in the early TD line-up has always been > underestimated, especially when I listen to some old live > concerts from the 70s. I can't think of anyone else who created such powerful > leadlines or rhythms with a sequencer..but then > again there weren't many of them who did these kind of things. If there would > be a Top 10 list of keyboard musicians Chris > Franke will always stay on top! > > Heiko From: Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 1:44 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] The TD so -called end. Quoten thomas.soucheleau@n...: > Unbelievable? I like the idea not to get stuck into a good old working > formula. Yes unbelievable. That a guy who can play wonderful emotional and powerful music is now playing (imo!) background music. > What is it the guy should do? Keep on improvising upon long analog sequences > I guess! :) Oh no, I'm not saying that. If that was the case then I wouldn't like Exit, Underwater Sunlight and LiveMiles too wouldn't I? I'm not saying he should play like this or like that...thats entirely up to him/them what they want to play. Only for me it's become music without any emotion... > I've been amazed by the harsh reactions to the seven letters from tibet as it > is such an obvious reference to the very beginning of the band (while > probably trying to keep on feeding the new-age audience). Seven letters finally got (a bit) rid of those drums. Didn't Ed wanted to make a classical record...I'm quite interested in that. > Dare say the last track wouldn't fit on Phaedra if played on the mellotron! Don't like that last track. :-) There are always thing that one don't like in a particular area/period...no problem...only for me thats been the case with TD for the last 15 years...again no problem there too. :-) > So, since 'Mr Franke' is no longer around, maybe Froese needs someone to help > in the sound design field (he wouldn't be the first). We all need help from friends... :-) Nah, the Froeses aren't burned out, it's just that I don't like the style they are doing now. Nothing wrong with that is it? > In the end, I feel like he really knows what he's saying when talking about > the more ambitious stuff he has in store that fans would fail to understand. Now that I find b*llsh*t... Why hasn't he tried it out yet on us...please do so mr. Froese. > Whatever he says about not caring for fans'opinions, I'd bet he knows it all > of the endless old/new material disussions, for this must have been going on > since the mid 80's! > I guess TD's musical shifts are as painful to lovers of classic analog space > music as it must be painful for Froese to get bashed by people who love the > Band for just some blazing fragments of what it is. > After all, it's only music, isn't it? I don't mind the shifts...I like the 70s, (late) 80s shifts... I think of LiveMiles and some tracks from Tyger as masterpieces, It's only rock 'n roll and I like it yes...I don't mind that TD is now playing their thing as there are probably a lot of fans of that style. It's just not my thing. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27937 Re: The TD so -called end. odean@m... Thu 7/26/2001 2 KB 27938 Re: The TD so -called end. mengels@w... Thu 7/26/2001 3 KB 27941 Re: The TD so -called end. j.gordon Thu 7/26/2001 3 KB From: odean@m... Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 3:30 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] The TD so -called end. At 02:04 PM 7/26/01 +0200, you wrote: > > In the end, I feel like he really knows what he's saying when talking about > > the more ambitious stuff he has in store that fans would fail to > understand. > >Now that I find b*llsh*t... >Why hasn't he tried it out yet on us...please do so mr. Froese. He already has, you just aren't getting the music! All of the recent output you don't like is way over your head. :-) :-) :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27938 Re: The TD so -called end. mengels@w... Thu 7/26/2001 3 KB 27941 Re: The TD so -called end. j.gordon Thu 7/26/2001 3 KB From: Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 2:47 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] The TD so -called end. Quoten odean@m...: > > > >Now that I find b*llsh*t... > >Why hasn't he tried it out yet on us...please do so mr. Froese. > > He already has, you just aren't getting the music! All of the recent > output you don't like is way over your head. :-) :-) :-) Haha...that makes sense then. I do fail to understand the recent music yes. Now what does he mean with the fans would fail to understand... does he mean technically complicated? If that is so then I don't agree with him... (I don't mean that it has to be technically complicated because some of the best music was not). Or maybe it was one of his rumbles, just as he would retire and TD would quit... it's all just a game to keep us guessing, I guess. (hmm I should stop guessing now) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 1:10 pm Subject: warm&cold Gosh! I've deleted the original message. It was about Edgar producing emotional music. This is a question that always fascinated me. How were the same guys able to produce both emotional warm at heart music and dead-cold high-tech perfectly quantized tunes. I've always wondered : what was intended and what was accidental? ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 1:25 pm Subject: 'Classics Edition'..more to come? I wonder if we will see any more TDI releases from the 'Classics edition'..? Although I didn't like the final products that much (Sohoman & Soundmill Navigator), it would nevertheless still be interesting to hear some of the old recordings.. I still remember Edgar saying that the New York Avery Fisher Hall 1977 concert would be the next one to get a release, but maybe after our flaming comments about Sohoman & SN he pulled the brake ;-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27948 Re: 'Classics Edition'..more to come? mengels@w... Thu 7/26/2001 2 KB 27960 Re: 'Classics Edition'..more to come? j.gordon Fri 7/27/2001 2 KB 27953 Re: 'Classics Edition'..more to come? Michael A Jean Thu 7/26/2001 3 KB 27956 Re: 'Classics Edition'..more to come? Feldon Feldon Fri 7/27/2001 3 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 1:50 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] The TD so -called end. somebody mentioned (i belive it was heiko h.) that since cf and ef have gone their seperate ways, neither has produced music up to par with what they did together... a perfect example of the david gilmore / roger waters split... together, they created masterpieces... seperate they created missing pieces... it seems (meaning i agree with this point) that the same is true for ef and cf... imo, chris lacks edgar's sense of whole and how to fill up and edgar lacks chris's sense of structure... it's like the skeleton was taken from the body... all the contributions by peter et al helped to give each era their 'definitive sound'... but there is no gainsaying the fact that the musical chemsitry created by a specific group or pairing of musicains cannot ever be duplicated if the same people are not together... each is forced to comprimise, hone and shape their own contribution... without the necessity of other's perspectives, one let's one own spread out to fill the spaces, sometimes, or ofttimes with less than perfect results... all that said, this doesn't mean that cf and ef should have stayed together... only that when they were together, (i think) their music was stronger than what they've been able to produce split... of all the combinations of TD, i think the most important (read: most influential) was cf and ef... ta! j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 2:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 968 This is one of my main things too. I would love to hear that kind of music live. The Ozrics are out there and apparently put on a good live show, but it still isn't like 70s TD. Regarding the discussion related to the Mellotron... I concur, there are a lot of good Mtron players out there, but the stuff that EF does has a really distinct quality that I really like. Wish I was going to Poland! <<>> From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 2:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: No new releases planned ----- Original Message ----- From: Hilary Wright To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:57 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: No new releases planned > much good music already. I'm listening to Seven Letters as I write. > Talk about a super soundscape - this album is a real masterpiece - it > takes me back to the early period of Phaedra, Atem etc but with more > maturity of composition. > > Regards, > > Hilary > You lost me with that statement . I spent 10 minutes searching the mail for a ;) ?? There is nothing remotely mature about the 7 Letters album. I`m not talking about personal preference, I`m talking about it from a musical (technical ,music theory) point of view . 7 Letters is at best basic, and shows no sense of arrangement or compositional direction at all . Simple and basic tracks can be great . I`m not saying that a track has to have the complexity of Bach or Stravinsky to be merited . I just think that a lot more thought, effort and talent went into Atem and Phaedra and the other early albums . I have to say again though that blaming Jerome for the current state of TD is unfair because he is the only one delivering the tracks worth listening to .Edgar used to be good when he wrote his TD sounding solo stuff like Pinnacles etc but he doesn`t do that anymore as he has tried to become commercial ,*BUT* I dont believe he has the ability to write structered music at all, which is why so much of the new material is noodling nonsense . Jerome on the other hand *can* write , and whether or not his Techno /Dance ideas have ruined TD in some peoples eyes isn`t important, because I`m talking about composition from a technical point of view . Bored myself with this one .:) Paul From: 'maggior@m...' Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 2:38 pm Subject: RE: Re: RE: [tadream] The TD so -called end. I agree with what is being said here, but a thought comes to mind - following this line of reason, how do you explain the brilliance of works like Epsilon in Malaysian Pale? Or Ages? To my knowledge, Chris didn't have any contribution to them. Egar by himself is certianly capable. Off topic, but I think the same could be said for Gilmour - I think his first solo album is awesome. Original Message: ----------------- From: j.gordon ssaalyersjj@y... Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:50:53 -0700 (PDT) To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] The TD so -called end. somebody mentioned (i belive it was heiko h.) that since cf and ef have gone their seperate ways, neither has produced music up to par with what they did together... a perfect example of the david gilmore / roger waters split... together, they created masterpieces... seperate they created missing pieces... -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27946 Re: The TD so -called end. j.gordon Thu 7/26/2001 3 KB From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 8:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (unknown) In a message dated 25/07/01 21:08:06 GMT Daylight Time, Julannparc@a... writes: > . Im hoping for a live > performance in 2005 in UK So am I, but after the dismal showing at the last tour in Manchester, they must be asking is it worth it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 2:58 pm Subject: RE: Re: RE: [tadream] The TD so -called end. i think this is explained as simply 'this is edgar'... you can see what his style was back then... can see his influence... and they are brilliant works, but imo (flame suit on) his best work came from working with others, spec. cf... the same goes for gilmore and waters... some fabulous stuff as solo, but they produced, regularly, their best work when together... =) j.gordon --- 'maggior@m...' wrote: > I agree with what is being said here, but a thought comes to mind - following > this line of reason, how do you explain the brilliance of works like Epsilon > in Malaysian Pale? Or Ages? To my knowledge, Chris didn't have any > contribution to them. Egar by himself is certianly capable. > > Off topic, but I think the same could be said for Gilmour - I think his first > solo album is awesome. > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: j.gordon ssaalyersjj@y... > Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:50:53 -0700 (PDT) > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] The TD so -called end. > > > somebody mentioned (i belive it was heiko h.) that since cf and ef have gone > their seperate ways, neither has produced music up to par with what they did > together... a perfect example of the david gilmore / roger waters split... > together, they created masterpieces... seperate they created missing > pieces... > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at > http://www.mail2web.com/ . > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 3:11 pm Subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: [tadream] The TD so -called end. I'm not a collector but I have the chance to own Aqua and Beyond the Storm. I have been amazed to hear that some of the unrealesed material on this last actually sound better than TD's regular tracks of the same period (wich I can only guess) and should I say, more structured too. Edgar sure had (still does?) his own personal distinctive style. Should he stop TD to make some kind of private music without the pressure of the business (and suggest Jerome to drop his drum'n'bass stuff to start a whole new ass-kicking band)? Nevermind anyway! The CD I'm currently waiting for is the next garbage. :-) ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) From: Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 5:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Classics Edition'..more to come? > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > > I wonder if we will see any more TDI releases from the 'Classics > edition'..? Although I didn't like the final products that much (Sohoman > & Soundmill Navigator), it would nevertheless still be interesting to > hear some of the old recordings.. I still remember Edgar saying that the > New York Avery Fisher Hall 1977 concert would be the next one to get a > release, but maybe after our flaming comments about Sohoman & SN he > pulled the brake ;-) Maybe the overdubbings on those recordings is what the fans would fail to understand...:-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27960 Re: 'Classics Edition'..more to come? j.gordon Fri 7/27/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The TD so -called end. This man is deeply wise. Cf; Irmin Schmidt, Michael Karoli, Holger Czukay and Jaki Liebezeit separately vs. together; Andy Latimer and Peter Bardens separately vs. together; Michel Huygen and Santi Pico separately vs. together. The list goes on... :-) 'j.gordon' wrote: > somebody mentioned (i belive it was heiko h.) that since cf and ef have gone > their seperate ways, neither has produced music up to par with what they did > together... a perfect example of the david gilmore / roger waters split... > together, they created masterpieces... seperate they created missing pieces... > > it seems (meaning i agree with this point) that the same is true for ef and > cf... imo, chris lacks edgar's sense of whole and how to fill up and edgar > lacks chris's sense of structure... it's like the skeleton was taken from the > body... all the contributions by peter et al helped to give each era their > 'definitive sound'... > > but there is no gainsaying the fact that the musical chemsitry created by a > specific group or pairing of musicains cannot ever be duplicated if the same > people are not together... each is forced to comprimise, hone and shape their > own contribution... without the necessity of other's perspectives, one let's > one own spread out to fill the spaces, sometimes, or ofttimes with less than > perfect results... > > all that said, this doesn't mean that cf and ef should have stayed together... > only that when they were together, (i think) their music was stronger than what > they've been able to produce split... > > of all the combinations of TD, i think the most important (read: most > influential) was cf and ef... > > ta! > j.gordon > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Feldon Feldon Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 4:26 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] The TD so -called end. No, just keep producing interesting sequences. It has nothing to do with living in the past. -Morgan At 10:44 AM 7/26/2001 +0200, you wrote: >>He does play the mellotron in a very nice way yes I agree. >>(well I have to say he played it very well...it's unbelievable >>when listening to the latest things that this is the same person). >>.... >>In fact there are very very few bands who play like 70s TD live... > >Unbelievable? I like the idea not to get stuck into a good old working formula. >What is it the guy should do? Keep on improvising upon long analog sequences I guess! :) >I feel like many fans enjoy TD for what it has been only during a short period of time. >For many reasons, that short period of time crystallized some kind of distorted perception of a band that at some point and by accident happened to make history. >I've been amazed by the harsh reactions to the seven letters from tibet as it is such an obvious reference to the very beginning of the band (while probably trying to keep on feeding the new-age audience). >Dare say the last track wouldn't fit on Phaedra if played on the mellotron! >Now, what's the problem? Well, at the time he was TD's second brain, Franke was probably the most important contributor in term of sound-design while the Froese formula was mellotron+organ+guitar. >So, since 'Mr Franke' is no longer around, maybe Froese needs someone to help in the sound design field (he wouldn't be the first). >But as far as the compositions are concerned, the guy is certainly not burn out. >In the end, I feel like he really knows what he's saying when talking about the more ambitious stuff he has in store that fans would fail to understand. >Whatever he says about not caring for fans'opinions, I'd bet he knows it all of the endless old/new material disussions, for this must have been going on since the mid 80's! >I guess TD's musical shifts are as painful to lovers of classic analog space music as it must be painful for Froese to get bashed by people who love the Band for just some blazing fragments of what it is. >After all, it's only music, isn't it? >Regards, Thomas. From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 7:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: You're all getting excited in the States - but what about Poland? Well, as Roger lives in Krakow, and Krakow _is_in_ a waterhole at the moment, we'll just hope he and his familiy escapes without too much damage. Hi Roger, when you are able to answer, how did you fare? Your friend in Norway, Geir At 22:50 25.07.01 -0400, Vic wrote: >Hi Roger, > >I just booked my ticket to Warsaw today. Maybe I'll see some folks from >the list, but I'm not sure how this will work out. >Plenty of Polish TD fans (from the Polish TD list) will be there too and >I'm sure they'll be gathering at some watering hole >before the show... > >Vic > >gmroger@p... wrote: > Best Regards Geir From: gmroger@p... Date: Thu Jul 26, 2001 8:22 pm Subject: Re: re: Re: re: Re: re: (etc). The TD so-called end... well, no, actually, it's about Poland... On 26 Jul 2001, at 8:28, tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:50:47 -0400 > From: vic rek > Subject: Re: Re: You're all getting excited in the States - but what about Poland? > > Hi Roger, > > I just booked my ticket to Warsaw today. Maybe I'll see some folks from the list, but I'm not sure how this will work out. > Plenty of Polish TD fans (from the Polish TD list) will be there too and I'm sure they'll be gathering at some watering hole > before the show... > > Vic Just a little bit of extra information here - we've managed to secure one night at the Hotel Belfer (not far from the bridge at all) for only 110 zlotys! Maybe the list fans could meet up there... - Roger > gmroger@p... wrote: > > > With all the excitement going on between the list members as regards the States and the band's visit there, I was > > wondering - what's happened to all the fans - particularly the Polish ones - who plan to go to Warsaw? To date, I > > only know two confirmees going - or four if you count wives - and that's: > > > > 1. Roger Hartopp (& wife) (British, but from Poland) > > 2. Jorge Figueiredo (& wife) (from Portugal) Now add Vic... and other half? > > > > I suspect that a 'gathering point' for fans may be more difficult than Shepherd's Bush. Let's face it, there will be a > > few thousand there, not just a few hundred. I'm still trying to find a reasonably priced place to stay - the ones > > mentioned on the list by Piotr S. Millenium (are you going?) are still a little pricey. We're trying to contact the Hotel > > Belfer which is pretty damn close to the bridge. Anybody know if they have rooms? We did contemplate taking a > > train straight back home to Krakow, but at that time of night they are painfully slow. > > > > I know all you Americans are excited - but Poland comes first! (But, damn, I wish I could go to the States too!) > > > > Roger Hartopp -- Darmowy komunikator internetowy - zainstaluj OnetKomunikator [ http://ok.onet.pl ] From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 12:10 am Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Classics Edition'..more to come? Both of those discs did mention that they were only half of each concert... > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 8:26 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] 'Classics Edition'..more to come? > > > I wonder if we will see any more TDI releases from the 'Classics > edition'..? Although I didn't like the final products that much (Sohoman > & Soundmill Navigator), it would nevertheless still be interesting to > hear some of the old recordings.. I still remember Edgar saying that the > New York Avery Fisher Hall 1977 concert would be the next one to get a > release, but maybe after our flaming comments about Sohoman & SN he > pulled the brake ;-) > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27956 Re: 'Classics Edition'..more to come? Feldon Feldon Fri 7/27/2001 3 KB From: vic rek Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 12:08 am Subject: Ricochet TD Artwork Request Dear Fans, I need to locate the best quality image of the TD logo from Ricochet which shows 'a light beam bouncing off of trees'. Those that have seen this image should know immediately what I'm talking about. I need the highest quality scan possible (camera ready image would be the best :). I will explain why later or contact me off lilst for more info. I currently have the Japanese B&W LP insert that has this image. If anybody has a better source, please let me know. This is very important and you will be ackowledged for your help. Thanks, Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27957 Re: Ricochet TD Artwork Request Jeffrey Au Yeung Fri 7/27/2001 3 KB 27970 Re: Ricochet TD Artwork Request wyslannik@y... Fri 7/27/2001 2 KB 27976 Re: Ricochet TD Artwork Request Jeffrey Au Yeung Fri 7/27/2001 2 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 2:14 am Subject: Re: Seven Letters from Tibet In a message dated 7/26/01 10:45:40 AM, lawlermusic@s... writes: >You lost me with that statement . I spent 10 minutes searching the mail >for a ;) ?? >There is nothing remotely mature about the 7 Letters album. >I`m not talking about personal preference, I`m talking about it from a >musical (technical ,music theory) point of view . >7 Letters is at best basic, and shows no sense of arrangement or >compositional direction at all . There's more to music than theory, you know. Different people like different things, and you aren't going to accomplish anything by telling someone that their musical taste is somehow wrong. Obviously the album has its fans; so what if you or I find it technically lacking? Why should they care? Also, if you're going to make a claim as sweeping as 'no sense of arrangement or compositional direction at all,' you could stand to back it up with some details. --Daniel NP: Juno Reactor--Masters of the Universe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27961 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet Paul Lawler Fri 7/27/2001 4 KB 27962 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet Synthhtnys@a... Fri 7/27/2001 4 KB 27963 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet Hilary Wright Fri 7/27/2001 4 KB 27981 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet Feldon Feldon Fri 7/27/2001 2 KB 27968 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet Paul Lawler Fri 7/27/2001 6 KB 27974 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet glynn_naughton@h... Fri 7/27/2001 4 KB 27988 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet Hilary Wright Sat 7/28/2001 7 KB 27971 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet Joe Shoults Fri 7/27/2001 2 KB 27986 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet quarlie@a... Sat 7/28/2001 3 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 2:28 am Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Classics Edition'..more to come? They weren't even half of one half of the concert. What a mockery. -Morgan At 07:10 PM 7/26/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Both of those discs did mention that they were only half of each concert... > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] >> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 8:26 AM >> To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [tadream] 'Classics Edition'..more to come? >> >> >> I wonder if we will see any more TDI releases from the 'Classics >> edition'..? Although I didn't like the final products that much (Sohoman >> & Soundmill Navigator), it would nevertheless still be interesting to >> hear some of the old recordings.. I still remember Edgar saying that the >> New York Avery Fisher Hall 1977 concert would be the next one to get a >> release, but maybe after our flaming comments about Sohoman & SN he >> pulled the brake ;-) >> >> Heiko >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to >> http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 2:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet TD Artwork Request To Vic and others I have the following scans - 1st image is the real thing from me but the poster is too dark; the 2nd image is not made by me and the yellow colour (of the light ray) is non-exist. I hope somebody can come up with better scans. http://members.tripodasia.com.hk/coldwatercanyon/ricochetp.jpg http://members.tripodasia.com.hk/coldwatercanyon/ricochetc.jpg Regards Jeffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: vic rek To: TD List Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 8:08 AM Subject: [tadream] Ricochet TD Artwork Request > Dear Fans, > > I need to locate the best quality image of the TD logo from Ricochet > which shows 'a light beam bouncing off of trees'. Those that have seen > this image should know immediately what I'm talking about. I need the > highest quality scan possible (camera ready image would be the best :). > I will explain why later or contact me off lilst for more info. I > currently have the Japanese B&W LP insert that has this image. If > anybody has a better source, please let me know. This is very important > and you will be ackowledged for your help. > > Thanks, > Vic > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27970 Re: Ricochet TD Artwork Request wyslannik@y... Fri 7/27/2001 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 10:24 am Subject: Re: the contributions Hello everyone- about this contributions thread, yes, I agree that the Froese work in TD was more interesting than his solo work, but that's just a matter of taste, I guess. It was more than one brain anyway. I should add one important thing about this: someone said that Baumann was also important (I think it was Marcel who said that). Yes, Baumann's contribution was very important: he gave TD music that early gloomy taste (at least, he was the main responsible for that). Just check Baumann's solo albums, like Romance 76 and Transharmonic Nights, and you'll see. Two very good albums, with the nocturnal Baumannmusic. GJ From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 6:19 am Subject: News about www.opticaldream.de Hi all, here 3 News about my TD Fan Homepage: www.opticaldream.de - NEW: ICQ Member: 124363478 - NEW: Webring member - Logo add to my Homepage - NEW: 26.07.01 short update: Michael Hoenig CD`s and Chris Franke CD Regards heiko (Mr. Optical - greetings to the other Heiko H. Mr. Webring Master) www.opticaldream.de BTW: Vacation from: 04.08.01 to 20.08.01 !!! I cant answer at this time to all incoming emails. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28062 Re: News about www.opticaldream.de Jim Moore Tue 7/31/2001 3 KB 28063 Re: News about www.opticaldream.de Michael A Jean Tue 7/31/2001 4 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 7:04 am Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Classics Edition'..more to come? > Maybe the overdubbings on those recordings is what the > fans would fail to understand...:-) > Marcel ~lol~ 8P j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 8:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Seven Letters from Tibet ) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 3:14 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Seven Letters from Tibet > In a message dated 7/26/01 10:45:40 AM, lawlermusic@s... writes: > > There's more to music than theory, you know. Different people like different > things, and you aren't going to accomplish anything by telling someone that > their musical taste is somehow wrong. Did you miss this part of my message ? > >'I`m not talking about personal preference' As the statement I was referring to claimed that 7 letters was musically more 'mature' than Atem or Pheadra etc I just pointed out that its not, on a technical level anyway .If you like it then great , thats not my point . > > Also, if you're going to make a claim as sweeping as 'no sense of arrangement > or compositional direction at all,' you could stand to back it up with some > details. Well I think that the tracks on the whole from 7 letters lack direction when compared to early albums (and this was the original argument remember , that 7 letters showed more maturity) For my ears the choice of instrument are often painful (as painful as the hiss on trk 1)and as much as have tried to listen to it , it grates on my ears . I dont know what you want me to say . In my musical opinion ( whatever that is worth to anybody) I think the tracks are a series of baddly overdubbed improvisations , and some of the chord progressions and attempts at melodic lead lines would suggest they are done by a rank amateur , not an EM legend . Lets not forget what other albums sound like .'Songs of a Distant Earth' by Mike Oldfield for instance (not everybodies favourite but I`m talking structure and arrangement).Here you have direction , instruments that sound good together etc and a very well produced and rounded album .The same thing goes for nearly all of the early TD albums , up to the early 1990 s even . Compare these to the last half of 'The Purple of all Curtains' for eg. where Ed gives us his usual classical improv style with harsh (cheap?) instruments .Compare it to Phaedra or Poland and listen to how the whole sound and feel of confidence has gone from the music . Thats not musical maturity I`m afraid , but hey if you like it then good for you because you have more TD albums to enjoy than I do . Paul > > --Daniel > NP: Juno Reactor--Masters of the Universe > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 9:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Seven Letters from Tibet Well, I understand what Paul Lawler is saying about the compositional deficiencies of 7 Letters, but I don't agree that it has no merit... I like 7 Letters... That compositionally naive charge could be levelled at Phaedra also but it's really not the point. Mysterious Semblence was recorded in one take and I get a contact high from it every time. I actually prefer the leap into the unknown approach... I can't put 7 Letters that high on the list relative to the earlier era, but the change from theTyranny of Drum Machines is welcome in my book.... Call me a heretic, but it's one of my favorites in the last decade.... Some one brought up Christoph Franke.... IMO He is far better compositionally at the moment than Edgar.... but I'm not real crazy about the light touch on his recent stuff... An odd view from someone who just defended 7 Letters, but I wind up listening to 7 Letters more. CHRIS IS A DRUMMER! He functioned as sort of the rhythm section of TD with his chugging sequencers and that's what originally made my hair stand on end when I first was exposed to the sound. My favorite of his (relatively) recent works would have to be Vermillion Sands... Man what a rocking slice of glory day heaven... I crank this one up every time ... I guess what I'm trying to get at is from my point of view they should both play to their strengths... I prefer Edgar in melodic mode and I certainly agree with everyone who has raved about Epsilon being one of the truly great albums of all time (even beyond the circle of electronic music we equate it with.) and also prefer Franke in a more rhythmic mode .... His sequences are IMO the most rocking EM ever got. HE'S A DRUMMER! (oh wait, I already said that. ;-) and the fact that I would dearly love to see this happen is precisely why it won't. Poly Paul Ellis Hypnos/Binary Recordings PO Box 6868 / Portland, Or 97228 / Usa www.hypnos.com 'It is only a few years before we shall have entirely new methods of tone production by electrical means.... Thus will begin a new era in music.' Leopold Stokowski 1929 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27963 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet Hilary Wright Fri 7/27/2001 4 KB 27981 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet Feldon Feldon Fri 7/27/2001 2 KB From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 10:45 am Subject: Re: Seven Letters from Tibet Music is something that talks to the soul in man. It doesn't matter whether its compositionally sound or not. That's really not the point. What matters is that it says something to you; it enters into you; fills you; opens you; loves you. Listen to 'The Green Land' and let it talk to your heart; enter into the calm of the music. Try 'Indigo Cloud'; be troubled, nothing calm here. Or 'Red Blood Connection'; mystery and waiting. 'The Blue Pearl'; control, cool, a statement. etc. You can't appreciate music by looking at the bits and the bytes. We aren't digital people. I have a soul and the music talks to me! Hilary --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > Well, I understand what Paul Lawler is saying about the compositional > deficiencies > of 7 Letters, but I don't agree that it has no merit... I like 7 Letters... > That compositionally naive charge could be levelled at Phaedra also but it's > really not the point. Mysterious Semblence was recorded in one take and I get > a contact high from it every time. I actually prefer the leap into the > unknown approach... I can't put 7 Letters that high on the list relative to > the earlier era, but the change from theTyranny of Drum Machines is welcome > in my book.... Call me a heretic, but it's one of my favorites in the last > decade.... > > Some one brought up Christoph Franke.... IMO He is far better compositionally > at the moment than Edgar.... but I'm not real crazy about the light touch on > his recent stuff... An odd view from someone who just defended 7 Letters, but > I wind up listening to 7 Letters more. CHRIS IS A DRUMMER! He functioned as > sort of the rhythm section of TD with his chugging sequencers and that's what > originally made my hair stand on end when I first was exposed to the sound. > My favorite of his (relatively) recent works would have to be Vermillion > Sands... Man what a rocking slice of glory day heaven... I crank this one up > every time ... > > I guess what I'm trying to get at is from my point of view they should both > play to > their strengths... I prefer Edgar in melodic mode and I certainly agree with > everyone who has raved about Epsilon being one of the truly great albums of > all time (even beyond the circle of electronic music we equate it with.) and > also prefer Franke in a more rhythmic mode .... His sequences are IMO the > most rocking EM ever got. > HE'S A DRUMMER! (oh wait, I already said that. ;-) > > and the fact that I would dearly love to see this happen is precisely why it > won't. > > Poly > > Paul Ellis > Hypnos/Binary Recordings > PO Box 6868 / Portland, Or 97228 / Usa > www.hypnos.com > > 'It is only a few years before we shall have entirely new methods of tone > production > by electrical means.... Thus will begin a new era in music.' > Leopold Stokowski 1929 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27981 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet Feldon Feldon Fri 7/27/2001 2 KB From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 11:13 am Subject: RE: The TD so called end >of all the combinations of TD, i think the most important (read: most >influential) was cf and ef... >ta! j.gordon Sounds reasonable but I still find it odd that so few of You mention Peter Baumann who was an important factor during a short but very successful period in the history of this group. His contribution was obvious: Just think of those mellow melodylines that was a trademark of TD 1974-77. Listen to Cyclone and you'll easily spot the difference.; or better still listen to concert material from -78. Something was badly missing there. >ampmusic >wrote: >Cf; Irmin Schmidt, Michael Karoli, Holger Czukay and Jaki Liebezeit separately vs. together; Andy Latimer and Peter Bardens >separately vs. together; Michel Huygen and Santi Pico separately vs. together. The list goes on... :-) Latimer/Bardens is in my opinion the best example of them all. Camel was one of the most underrated British bands of the late 70's (Rain Dances, A Live record, Breathless). The combination of the classically schooled Latimer and the more R&B oriented Bardens was a succesful one indeed. I went to see them on the 'I can see your house from here' -tour. Bardens was gone (Mel Collins wasn't there either for that matter) and suddenly much of the magic was gone as well. There are some good Camel albums released on later dates, some good solo albums by Bardens as well but together they doubled the effect. Np: P Bardens - Further than you know (still a quality musician) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27973 Re: The TD so called end Joe Shoults Fri 7/27/2001 2 KB 28037 Talking Of Peter Bardens Kevin Robert Ball Mon 7/30/2001 3 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 12:36 pm Subject: Mars Polaris 2? Check out HMV.com and tell me what you all make of this item? Regards, Michael A. Jean Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28089 Re: Mars Polaris 2? Owens, James Thu 8/2/2001 3 KB 28107 Re: Mars Polaris 2? Hilary Wright Fri 8/3/2001 3 KB 28129 Re: Mars Polaris 2? Dennis Nigbur Sat 8/4/2001 2 KB From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 12:04 pm Subject: tibet stuff&line up About that tibetan rainbow CD, I don't know if I made my mind clear on my previous mails. I feel like there is a lot of potential in it, but it cruelly lack good sound design (imo). To link that to the line-up issue, I suspect that when Edgar lost his (musical) alter-ego ie Chris, he must have been in real trouble trying to set up a new stable efficient line-up. Ralph Wadeful didn't make it but I guess it was hard competing with Chris. Then Paul Haslinger went away while TD was a trio again (with Jerome) and finally what was Linda's real status in the band? In the end, I always come up with the fact that TD today is basically Edgar and Jerome putting on the CD's their own tracks probably slightly reworking each other's pieces to make it soud more consistent. I may be all wrong but apart from Mars Polaris, that's the way I feel about their output since the 90's. It's shame somehow because it is obvious that both Edgar and Jerome do have a lot of potential and imo they could do better music out of TD (and Jerome should really help dad in the sound design while he seems to be doing fine about it). Just an opinion. Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) From: alan-miller@e... Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 12:58 pm Subject: Just a personal option Hi I have decided to come out of the shadows of this list to share my thoughts on some of the discussion subjects that have been circulating of late. Firstly I would apologise to my peers on the list for what may appear to be my naive comments as although I have been a huge fan since 1975 it will be apparent that I have not studied TD’s work as deeply as some of you. I have always regarded music in its many forms as art and as such its acceptance by the individual is as a result of the stimuli it gives to that person’s senses. If this view is accepted then for one person to tell another that one piece of art is better than another is surely subjective and will never convince anyone that they are wrong. Don’t misunderstand me, I believe that a healthy debate of an art form such as music has an useful purpose in that helps the participants to understand each other’s point of view which in turn should widen their own knowledge and appreciation. As to the band themselves and the various directions that their music has taken over the years I consider reflects the changes in the members of the band – each artist making their own contribution in a positive way. Personally, I appreciate greatly their music and depending on the mood I am in (or want to be in) I will listen to old and new pieces. As to their recent history I consider that Jerome has played an important part in the various line-ups and I for one welcome the freshness that seems to be currently present in their music (it is strange that he didn’t get a credit on the production of DM3). The commercial aspect of any band is an interesting subject and worthy of discussion among fans. Obviously commercial success depends on the popularity of the artist’s work to an audience – it follows that the larger the audience the greater the chances of success. I observed from this list that there are many theories about TD’s commercial appeal and even more suggestions of how it could be improved. I am of the theory that Edgar does have an interest in what the fans think but I am not sure that it will greatly influence his work – and so it shouldn’t. A true artist must feel free to express him or herself without commercial pressures, from this freedom it is hoped that the music created will touch others in the way that the artist intended. It is interesting to note that TD’s most successful album in the 90’s was DM1, which was an experiment to put a new interpretation on previously released pieces of work. Is it any wonder that a decision was made to follow on this succe! ssful project with DM2 and 3? Edgar was once quoted as saying in 1998 that ‘an artist never looks back’ and in some ways I don’t think he has by re-mixing older work but was only attempted to show his work in a different light. I know this re-mixing of some of the ‘classics’ has upset the die-hard fans but they need to reconcile for themselves whether it is a positive direction or not and avoid trying to influence others that it is wrong. I have said my piece and please if you think my opinions (and that is all that they are) are just rubbish then keep it to yourself and let me slip back into the shadows of this list to observe and learn. Dream on............... A Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27972 Re: Just a personal option Frank Arellano Fri 7/27/2001 6 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 12:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Seven Letters from Tibet ----- Original Message ----- From: Hilary Wright To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Seven Letters from Tibet > Music is something that talks to the soul in man. It doesn't matter > whether its compositionally sound or not. That's really not the > point. What matters is that it says something to you; it enters into > you; fills you; opens you; loves you. Very true . It is also possible to enjoy music on a technical level as well . I love 'The Rite of Spring' by Stravinsky purley because of its complexity and compositional genius . I dont walk around humming the track to myself mind . People also love early TD because of what they had to go through to achieve the sounds and sequences they had,its the work , genius and days they must have spent to achieve what nobody else did . Paul > > Listen to 'The Green Land' and let it talk to your heart; enter into > the calm of the music. > > Try 'Indigo Cloud'; be troubled, nothing calm here. > > Or 'Red Blood Connection'; mystery and waiting. > > 'The Blue Pearl'; control, cool, a statement. > > etc. > > You can't appreciate music by looking at the bits and the bytes. We > aren't digital people. I have a soul and the music talks to me! > > Hilary > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > Well, I understand what Paul Lawler is saying about the > compositional > > deficiencies > > of 7 Letters, but I don't agree that it has no merit... I like 7 > Letters... > > That compositionally naive charge could be levelled at Phaedra also > but it's > > really not the point. Mysterious Semblence was recorded in one take > and I get > > a contact high from it every time. I actually prefer the leap into > the > > unknown approach... I can't put 7 Letters that high on the list > relative to > > the earlier era, but the change from theTyranny of Drum Machines is > welcome > > in my book.... Call me a heretic, but it's one of my favorites in > the last > > decade.... > > > > Some one brought up Christoph Franke.... IMO He is far better > compositionally > > at the moment than Edgar.... but I'm not real crazy about the light > touch on > > his recent stuff... An odd view from someone who just defended 7 > Letters, but > > I wind up listening to 7 Letters more. CHRIS IS A DRUMMER! He > functioned as > > sort of the rhythm section of TD with his chugging sequencers and > that's what > > originally made my hair stand on end when I first was exposed to > the sound. > > My favorite of his (relatively) recent works would have to be > Vermillion > > Sands... Man what a rocking slice of glory day heaven... I crank > this one up > > every time ... > > > > I guess what I'm trying to get at is from my point of view they > should both > > play to > > their strengths... I prefer Edgar in melodic mode and I certainly > agree with > > everyone who has raved about Epsilon being one of the truly great > albums of > > all time (even beyond the circle of electronic music we equate it > with.) and > > also prefer Franke in a more rhythmic mode .... His sequences are > IMO the > > most rocking EM ever got. > > HE'S A DRUMMER! (oh wait, I already said that. ;-) > > > > and the fact that I would dearly love to see this happen is > precisely why it > > won't. > > > > Poly > > > > Paul Ellis > > Hypnos/Binary Recordings > > PO Box 6868 / Portland, Or 97228 / Usa > > www.hypnos.com > > > > 'It is only a few years before we shall have entirely new methods > of tone > > production > > by electrical means.... Thus will begin a new era in music.' > > Leopold Stokowski 1929 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27974 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet glynn_naughton@h... Fri 7/27/2001 4 KB 27988 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet Hilary Wright Sat 7/28/2001 7 KB From: 'Colin Anderson' Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:12 pm Subject: T Dream Mystery Track I need some help to identify a mystery track that appears in a recording I've got of Cleveland 86. It's clearly nothing to do with the Cleveland show, sounds as if it's possibly FFS 82 to 84, recorded in a German venue (going by the fan chatter and chanting). Volunteers? C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28143 Re: T Dream Mystery Track Feldon Feldon Sat 8/4/2001 2 KB 28148 Re: T Dream Mystery Track Nicad@n... Sun 8/5/2001 2 KB 28155 Re: T Dream Mystery Track Chris Owen Sun 8/5/2001 4 KB 28158 Re: T Dream Mystery Track Nick Adams Sun 8/5/2001 3 KB From: wyslannik@y... Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:26 pm Subject: Re: Ricochet TD Artwork Request Hi tadreamers, > To Vic and others > > I have the following scans - 1st image is the real thing from me but the > poster is too dark; the 2nd image is not made by me and the yellow colour > (of the light ray) is non-exist. I hope somebody can come up with better > scans. > > Regards > Jeffrey Wow! I never seen that promo-poster before - thanx for make it able to see it on your page, Jeffrey. To Vic: when you'll find a good quality scan, please let me know about it. It is good idea to make a T-shirt for the forthcoming gig in Warsaw :))))) Cheers Jakub [http://www.polaris.z.pl] [ http://www.tsom.z.pl ] From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 1:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Seven Letters from Tibet good example. yes, while I love classical music there are thousands (!) of examples of classical music that are very compositionally complex, but have no appeal for me. Some Bach really moves me, some I can really do without. But then sometimes the lack of complexity can be appealing in itself. ... and even that is relative. I was playing Tangram at work and my co-worker was complaining. He said it was the same 'buuuunnnng, buuuunnnng' over and over, but he didn't catch that it was a simple sequence that was slowly evolving into something more complex. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Lawler [mailto:lawlermusic@s...] ... > > Music is something that talks to the soul in man. It doesn't matter > > whether its compositionally sound or not. That's really not the ... > Very true . It is also possible to enjoy music on a technical > level as well > . I love 'The Rite of Spring' by Stravinsky purley because of > its complexity > and compositional genius . I dont walk around humming the From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 2:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Just a personal option Alan, The only thing that I would strongly disagree with you on is your statement that Dream Mixes I was TD's most successful release of the nineties. A recent survey on this list strongly suggested that Mars Polaris was by nearly twofold to its next closest competition. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 6:58 AM Subject: [tadream] Just a personal option > Hi > > I have decided to come out of the shadows of this list to share my thoughts on some of the discussion subjects that have been circulating of late. Firstly I would apologise to my peers on the list for what may appear to be my naive comments as although I have been a huge fan since 1975 it will be apparent that I have not studied TD's work as deeply as some of you. > > I have always regarded music in its many forms as art and as such its acceptance by the individual is as a result of the stimuli it gives to that person's senses. If this view is accepted then for one person to tell another that one piece of art is better than another is surely subjective and will never convince anyone that they are wrong. Don't misunderstand me, I believe that a healthy debate of an art form such as music has an useful purpose in that helps the participants to understand each other's point of view which in turn should widen their own knowledge and appreciation. > > As to the band themselves and the various directions that their music has taken over the years I consider reflects the changes in the members of the band - each artist making their own contribution in a positive way. Personally, I appreciate greatly their music and depending on the mood I am in (or want to be in) I will listen to old and new pieces. As to their recent history I consider that Jerome has played an important part in the various line-ups and I for one welcome the freshness that seems to be currently present in their music (it is strange that he didn't get a credit on the production of DM3). > > The commercial aspect of any band is an interesting subject and worthy of discussion among fans. Obviously commercial success depends on the popularity of the artist's work to an audience - it follows that the larger the audience the greater the chances of success. I observed from this list that there are many theories about TD's commercial appeal and even more suggestions of how it could be improved. I am of the theory that Edgar does have an interest in what the fans think but I am not sure that it will greatly influence his work - and so it shouldn't. A true artist must feel free to express him or herself without commercial pressures, from this freedom it is hoped that the music created will touch others in the way that the artist intended. It is interesting to note that TD's most successful album in the 90's was DM1, which was an experiment to put a new interpretation on previously released pieces of work. Is it any wonder that a decision was made to follow on this succe! > ssful project with DM2 and 3? Edgar was once quoted as saying in 1998 that 'an artist never looks back' and in some ways I don't think he has by re-mixing older work but was only attempted to show his work in a different light. I know this re-mixing of some of the 'classics' has upset the die-hard fans but they need to reconcile for themselves whether it is a positive direction or not and avoid trying to influence others that it is wrong. > > I have said my piece and please if you think my opinions (and that is all that they are) are just rubbish then keep it to yourself and let me slip back into the shadows of this list to observe and learn. > > Dream on............... > > A > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 2:04 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: The TD so called end I have a BArdens CD at home that I've never listened to (Big Sky?). I should give it a listen? > -----Original Message----- > From: olle.rundgren@s... [mailto:olle.rundgren@s...] ... > some good solo > albums by Bardens as well but together they doubled the effect. > Np: P Bardens - Further than you know (still a quality musician) From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 2:10 pm Subject: Re: Seven Letters from Tibet --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Lawler' wrote: > Very true . It is also possible to enjoy music on a technical level > as well. I love 'The Rite of Spring' by Stravinsky purley because >of its complexity and compositional genius . I dont walk around >humming the track to myself mind . > People also love early TD because of what they had to go through to achieve > the sounds and sequences they had,its the work , genius and days they must > have spent to achieve what nobody else did . > > Paul There was a British composer, Havergal Brian, who composed music with no intention of its ever being performed. He wrote the scores, then stuffed 'em in a drawer, the idea being that his music would only ever exist as a sort of idealised structure. In, I think it was, the 70s, a group of interested parties clubbed together to pay for a performance of his huge _Gothic Symphony_. The general opinion was that, exposed to the cruel light of day, it was laughably bad... There's always been a theory, too, that Bach's _Art of Fugue_ was never intended for performace. It was merely the old master running his planet-sized musical brain at full power to create incredibly complex music just for the sake of it. There might be something in that...it's not exactly a toe-tapper :-) But emotional and structural appreciation can and should go hand in hand. For a long time I was drawn to a certain passage in the final movement of Beethoven's 3rd symphony. Finally, I decided to get hold of the score and try to figure out *why* I was drawn to it. I can still remember the goosebumps breaking out on my arms and blurting out 'Fucking hell!!' when the penny finally dropped as to what Beethoven was doing. This is why I firmly stick to my belief that musical or other artistic quality is objective and proveable, and that just to say 'I like that' or 'that's crap' isn't enough. Well, it's okay for pop art, but for the real deal you gotta give *reasons* why something is good or bad. Glynn From: alan-miller@e... Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 3:17 pm Subject: [Re: Re: [tadream] Just a personal option ] Not my statement and happy to be corrected - read this on http://www.dreammixes.com/dm1.html (whoops - should have read it more carefully) - I should have said 'one' of the most successful releases. A Original Message: >From: 'Frank Arellano' >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Just a personal option >Date: 07/27/01 14:57:56 > >Alan, > The only thing that I would strongly disagree with you on is your >statement that Dream Mixes I was TD's most successful release of the >nineties. A recent survey on this list strongly suggested that Mars Polaris >was by nearly twofold to its next closest competition. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 6:58 AM >Subject: [tadream] Just a personal option > > >> Hi >> >> I have decided to come out of the shadows of this list to share my >thoughts on some of the discussion subjects that have been circulating of >late. Firstly I would apologise to my peers on the list for what may appear >to be my naive comments as although I have been a huge fan since 1975 it >will be apparent that I have not studied TD's work as deeply as some of you. >> >> I have always regarded music in its many forms as art and as such its >acceptance by the individual is as a result of the stimuli it gives to that >person's senses. If this view is accepted then for one person to tell >another that one piece of art is better than another is surely subjective >and will never convince anyone that they are wrong. Don't misunderstand me, >I believe that a healthy debate of an art form such as music has an useful >purpose in that helps the participants to understand each other's point of >view which in turn should widen their own knowledge and appreciation. >> >> As to the band themselves and the various directions that their music has >taken over the years I consider reflects the changes in the members of the >band - each artist making their own contribution in a positive way. >Personally, I appreciate greatly their music and depending on the mood I am >in (or want to be in) I will listen to old and new pieces. As to their >recent history I consider that Jerome has played an important part in the >various line-ups and I for one welcome the freshness that seems to be >currently present in their music (it is strange that he didn't get a credit >on the production of DM3). >> >> The commercial aspect of any band is an interesting subject and worthy of >discussion among fans. Obviously commercial success depends on the >popularity of the artist's work to an audience - it follows that the larger >the audience the greater the chances of success. I observed from this list >that there are many theories about TD's commercial appeal and even more >suggestions of how it could be improved. I am of the theory that Edgar does >have an interest in what the fans think but I am not sure that it will >greatly influence his work - and so it shouldn't. A true artist must feel >free to express him or herself without commercial pressures, from this >freedom it is hoped that the music created will touch others in the way that >the artist intended. It is interesting to note that TD's most successful >album in the 90's was DM1, which was an experiment to put a new >interpretation on previously released pieces of work. Is it any wonder that >a decision was made to follow on this succe! >> ssful project with DM2 and 3? Edgar was once quoted as saying in 1998 that >'an artist never looks back' and in some ways I don't think he has by >re-mixing older work but was only attempted to show his work in a different >light. I know this re-mixing of some of the 'classics' has upset the >die-hard fans but they need to reconcile for themselves whether it is a >positive direction or not and avoid trying to influence others that it is >wrong. >> >> I have said my piece and please if you think my opinions (and that is all >that they are) are just rubbish then keep it to yourself and let me slip >back into the shadows of this list to observe and learn. >> >> Dream on............... >> >> A >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to >http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 4:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ricochet TD Artwork Request Hi Jakub, Thanx and I am glad you enjoyed it. Enjoy your forthcoming gig in Warsaw too! Jeffrey > Wow! I never seen that promo-poster before - thanx for make it able to > see it on your page, Jeffrey. > > To Vic: when you'll find a good quality scan, please let me know about > it. It is good idea to make a T-shirt for the forthcoming gig in > Warsaw :))))) > > Cheers > Jakub From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 5:19 pm Subject: re: Baumann's contributions re:baumann's contributions Let's not forget (well OK, some of us here may want to :)) his 80s contribution to TD--Private Music! --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27980 Re: Baumann's contributions Frank Arellano Fri 7/27/2001 3 KB 27993 Re: Baumann's contributions Deb H-J Sat 7/28/2001 2 KB 27984 Re: Baumann's contributions olle.rundgren@s... Fri 7/27/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 5:29 pm Subject: Dreamwatcher's Tales tracklist submitted to CDDB (gracenote) cddb, now gracenote.com, is a web-based database of CD info. many CD players are CDDB-compatible, meaning that when you are online your CD player queries the cddb, and obtains the full album info (track listings and such). very cool. well, somebody has to actually enter this data, and I did that way back when DT first came out, for disk 1. I've finally gotten around to submitting for Disk 2 today. If you play DT1 with Winamp (an example of a cddb-compatible player) and hit ALT-3, then the 'CDDB' button, it will retrieve all the track listings from gracenote.com. There is normally a delay between submission and availability of newly-submitted CD info, so DT2 might not appear right away. From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 7:23 pm Subject: page of reviews stumbled across. might interest some of you: http://www.hyperreal.org/~mike/reviews/ From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 7:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re: Baumann's contributions Oh! And let's not forget Peter's contributions to Yanni's music either 8-) I don't care what anybody says, I love Yanni's music 8-) I also love TD's Private Music CD for tracks such as Roaring Of The Bliss, Electric Lion, Melrose, Dolls In The Shadow and Too Hot for My Chinchilla. This CD was my very second CD that I had ever bought of TD's, little did I know how much it would change my life. Since Pete Barden's name has been brought up a number of times I decided to put on his 'Water Colors' CD. I never really have listened to it closely yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:19 AM Subject: [tadream] re: Baumann's contributions > re:baumann's contributions > > Let's not forget (well OK, some of us here may want to :)) his 80s > contribution to TD--Private Music! > > --tei > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27993 Re: Baumann's contributions Deb H-J Sat 7/28/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 7:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Seven Letters from Tibet I saved myself $20 by listening to (and largely fast forwarding through) 7 Letters in a music store. 1 hour of 1986-1990 concert bridges. -Morgan From: Zozzy Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 8:02 pm Subject: T-Dream & Scifi reading Could someone give me some suggestions of tracks/albums that are ideal background for scifi reading? Nothing too distracting but something with a little drama rather than just pure ambient drone. I have Rubycon, Underwater Sunlight and a compilation so far but i'm checking out mp3s to decide what albums I should buy next (though none of cheesier techno remixes please ;) Cheers Zozzy/The Love Frequency ~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o Latest TLF track: Helix Nebula For Armchair Astronauts Everywhere http://www.mp3.com/tlf ~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27983 Re: T-Dream & Scifi reading ampmusic Fri 7/27/2001 3 KB 27992 Re: T-Dream & Scifi reading Deb H-J Sat 7/28/2001 4 KB 28006 Re: T-Dream & Scifi reading ampmusic Sat 7/28/2001 4 KB 28012 Re: T-Dream & Scifi reading tony.walsh@c... Sun 7/29/2001 3 KB 28014 Re: T-Dream & Scifi reading mikebrowder@y... Sun 7/29/2001 3 KB From: ampmusic Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 10:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] T-Dream & Scifi reading Ah, well that would have to depend on what the science fiction is. Peter F. Hamilton, Iain M. Banks, early Larry Niven, good :-) Things with fuc**ng pixies, magic dragons, vampires, adventures in a holosuite (TM Star Trek Inc.) e.g. recent Larry Niven, bad :-( IMHO of course :-) Zozzy wrote: > Could someone give me some suggestions of tracks/albums that are ideal > background for scifi reading? > Nothing too distracting but something with a little drama rather than just pure > ambient drone. > I have Rubycon, Underwater Sunlight and a compilation so far but i'm checking > out mp3s to decide what albums I should buy next (though none of cheesier techno > remixes please ;) > > Cheers > Zozzy/The Love Frequency > > ~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o > Latest TLF track: Helix Nebula > For Armchair Astronauts Everywhere > http://www.mp3.com/tlf > ~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27992 Re: T-Dream & Scifi reading Deb H-J Sat 7/28/2001 4 KB From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 10:18 pm Subject: Re: Baumann's contributions Well, let's just remember 1974-77 and leave it at that. Romance 76 I would gladly recommend but after that..... --- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote: > re:baumann's contributions > > Let's not forget (well OK, some of us here may want to :)) his 80s > contribution to TD--Private Music! > > --tei > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 12:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The TD so -called end. Not to mention Yab Arbouram, lol! 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: Julannparc@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] The TD so -called end. >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:24:14 EDT > >There is no doubt? Edgar is King.The Greatest of all time! Just listen to >Maroubra bay,Sheesh Untouchable. Wonderful talent > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to >http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 2:12 am Subject: Re: Seven Letters from Tibet In a message dated 7/27/01 4:30:34 AM, lawlermusic@s... writes: >Did you miss this part of my message ? > >'I`m not talking about personal >preference' Actually, no; I just disagreed with it. >As the statement I was referring to claimed that 7 letters was musically >more 'mature' than Atem or Pheadra etc I just pointed out that its not, on a >technical level anyway . But perhaps some people detect maturity where you detect inanity, and vice versa. Unless there's some objective 'compositional maturity scale' I'm not aware of, it really does come down to opinion. To use an extreme example, there really isn't any way I could conclusively prove that classical music is more mature than punk music. I certainly believe that it is, but if someone believes that using only three chords is actually more mature than using the whole harmonic spectrum, there's not a lot I can say to convince them otherwise. Music isn't logic. That's the way I see it, anyway. BTW, my message was not intended as a flame--I hope it didn't appear to be one. I just meant to take issue with your argument. --Daniel NP: Statemachine--Breakdown From: Julannparc@a... Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 6:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The TD so -called end. Ho ho ho, damn hilarious. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 7:48 am Subject: Re: Seven Letters from Tibet You make a good point about the hard work that went into making the music in the 'old' days. Yes, it is possible to appreciate the technical perseverance that went into those productions especially when performed live! Now you could do all the same on a laptop, I suppose. But the special ingredient in both cases is the artist's imagination; his ability to create new (perhaps from the old, as in DMx series). I think the real hard work is this: you imagine a piece, you try it, you hone it until you are satisfied with it (this can take years) and then you play it to an audience (or release a CD). Their reaction can kill you or take you to utmost high! The artist is exposing his soul to the audience. BTW this process is the same for any imaginative work, music, book, film, drama, etc. Hilary --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Lawler' wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hilary Wright > To: > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:45 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Seven Letters from Tibet > > > > Music is something that talks to the soul in man. It doesn't matter > > whether its compositionally sound or not. That's really not the > > point. What matters is that it says something to you; it enters into > > you; fills you; opens you; loves you. > > > Very true . It is also possible to enjoy music on a technical level as well > . I love 'The Rite of Spring' by Stravinsky purley because of its complexity > and compositional genius . I dont walk around humming the track to myself > mind . > People also love early TD because of what they had to go through to achieve > the sounds and sequences they had,its the work , genius and days they must > have spent to achieve what nobody else did . > > Paul > > > > > > > > > Listen to 'The Green Land' and let it talk to your heart; enter into > > the calm of the music. > > > > Try 'Indigo Cloud'; be troubled, nothing calm here. > > > > Or 'Red Blood Connection'; mystery and waiting. > > > > 'The Blue Pearl'; control, cool, a statement. > > > > etc. > > > > You can't appreciate music by looking at the bits and the bytes. We > > aren't digital people. I have a soul and the music talks to me! > > > > Hilary > > > > > > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > > Well, I understand what Paul Lawler is saying about the > > compositional > > > deficiencies > > > of 7 Letters, but I don't agree that it has no merit... I like 7 > > Letters... > > > That compositionally naive charge could be levelled at Phaedra also > > but it's > > > really not the point. Mysterious Semblence was recorded in one take > > and I get > > > a contact high from it every time. I actually prefer the leap into > > the > > > unknown approach... I can't put 7 Letters that high on the list > > relative to > > > the earlier era, but the change from theTyranny of Drum Machines is > > welcome > > > in my book.... Call me a heretic, but it's one of my favorites in > > the last > > > decade.... > > > > > > Some one brought up Christoph Franke.... IMO He is far better > > compositionally > > > at the moment than Edgar.... but I'm not real crazy about the light > > touch on > > > his recent stuff... An odd view from someone who just defended 7 > > Letters, but > > > I wind up listening to 7 Letters more. CHRIS IS A DRUMMER! He > > functioned as > > > sort of the rhythm section of TD with his chugging sequencers and > > that's what > > > originally made my hair stand on end when I first was exposed to > > the sound. > > > My favorite of his (relatively) recent works would have to be > > Vermillion > > > Sands... Man what a rocking slice of glory day heaven... I crank > > this one up > > > every time ... > > > > > > I guess what I'm trying to get at is from my point of view they > > should both > > > play to > > > their strengths... I prefer Edgar in melodic mode and I certainly > > agree with > > > everyone who has raved about Epsilon being one of the truly great > > albums of > > > all time (even beyond the circle of electronic music we equate it > > with.) and > > > also prefer Franke in a more rhythmic mode .... His sequences are > > IMO the > > > most rocking EM ever got. > > > HE'S A DRUMMER! (oh wait, I already said that. ;-) > > > > > > and the fact that I would dearly love to see this happen is > > precisely why it > > > won't. > > > > > > Poly > > > > > > Paul Ellis > > > Hypnos/Binary Recordings > > > PO Box 6868 / Portland, Or 97228 / Usa > > > www.hypnos.com > > > > > > 'It is only a few years before we shall have entirely new methods > > of tone > > > production > > > by electrical means.... Thus will begin a new era in music.' > > > Leopold Stokowski 1929 > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: gmroger@p... Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 8:00 am Subject: Re: The Polish Floods > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:42:42 +0200 > From: Geir Smedsrud > Subject: Re: Re: You're all getting excited in the States - but what about Poland? > > Well, as Roger lives in Krakow, and Krakow _is_in_ a waterhole at the > moment, we'll just hope he and his familiy escapes without too much damage. > > Hi Roger, when you are able to answer, how did you fare? > > Your friend in Norway, > Geir Hello everyone - I'm fine. Today is Saturday morning, and the sun has finally come out after seven days of incessant rain and thunderstorms, and the forecast is finally more optimistic - hot and sunny. We went to pay the Vistula River a visit and, while it hasn't burst its banks, it is very, very full. Other communities along the same river haven't been so lucky. As many of you are probably aware, the same river flows through Warsaw, and subsequently under the bridge where TD will be playing. But there's plenty of time, and I fully expect things to be back to some kind of normality soon (as long as we don't get any more rain). Still on the subject of Warsaw, for those planning to combine a short break with the concert, but d on't want to spend fortunes on guide books and hotels, you could buy the booklet 'Warsaw in Your Pocket', an Ame rican English language guide book for only 5 zlotys (about 80 pence in British money). (The same people a lso produce a booklet for Krakow, too). Also, for 110 zlotys, you can stay the night at the Hotel Belfer on ul. W ybrzeze Kosciuszkowskie, but be warned - despite its two star rating, it will come as a culture shock to we sterners. But then again - folks might like to try a perfectly preserved example of communism! (By the way, Jorge, I don't really recommend the Cracovia Hotel in Krakow as it's a little out the way of the centre. It's also situated next to a busy main road. If you also looked at Sofitel Forum, its basement got flooded in the recent storms!) On the subject of Seven Letters from Tibet, it's an album I simply confine to background listening rather than serious. As for the end of TD, I have a few thoughts on this one, but I'll post those if and when I have a little more time. But hopefully our fears will be unfounded. Roger Hartopp -- Zakupy przez Internet. Placisz wygodnie i bezpiecznie. Z karta kredytowa lub bez [ http://portfel.onet.pl ] From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 9:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Seven Letters from Tibet You must have been at different concerts than me. All they ever seem to use as bridges when I'm there is some heavy-handed metallic chords that make the transition from one key to the next in about five seconds. The last Shepherd's Bush concert was a bit better, but still nothing as soothing and dainty as the Seven Letters. If you don't like it, leave it. But I don't think your summary is justified. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: 27 July 2001 20:53 Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Seven Letters from Tibet > I saved myself $20 by listening to (and largely fast forwarding through) 7 > Letters in a music store. > > 1 hour of 1986-1990 concert bridges. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 10:00 pm Subject: Seven Letters From Tibet Very true, Hilary. Edgar has always maintained that TD's music was solely designed to communicate with the listener in whatever form they choose to receive it. The fact that 'Seven Letters From Tibet' reaches your soul in this way would no doubt please him, because it means the music has achieved its goal. If however, this CD doesn't strike the same chord with another listener, it certainly doesn't mean the music is compositionally deficient, or that the listener is lacking in some form of receptive intuition; it simply means that the consciousness of both the musician and the listener aren't quite in tune for that recording. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. This is because we are not dealing with a science here; we are dealing with the art of a musician attempting to communicate with a listener through a medium which defies critical analysis. The fact that TD has, by and large, acheived such success in this area for 30 years is as much down to the humanity in their music as any technical qualities they may have employed. - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Hilary Wright To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 3:45 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Seven Letters from Tibet > Music is something that talks to the soul in man. It doesn't matter > whether its compositionally sound or not. That's really not the > point. What matters is that it says something to you; it enters into > you; fills you; opens you; loves you. > > Listen to 'The Green Land' and let it talk to your heart; enter into > the calm of the music. > > Try 'Indigo Cloud'; be troubled, nothing calm here. > > Or 'Red Blood Connection'; mystery and waiting. > > 'The Blue Pearl'; control, cool, a statement. > > etc. > > You can't appreciate music by looking at the bits and the bytes. We > aren't digital people. I have a soul and the music talks to me! > > Hilary > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > Well, I understand what Paul Lawler is saying about the > compositional > > deficiencies > > of 7 Letters, but I don't agree that it has no merit... I like 7 > Letters... > > That compositionally naive charge could be levelled at Phaedra also > but it's > > really not the point. Mysterious Semblence was recorded in one take > and I get > > a contact high from it every time. I actually prefer the leap into > the > > unknown approach... I can't put 7 Letters that high on the list > relative to > > the earlier era, but the change from theTyranny of Drum Machines is > welcome > > in my book.... Call me a heretic, but it's one of my favorites in > the last > > decade.... > > > > Some one brought up Christoph Franke.... IMO He is far better > compositionally > > at the moment than Edgar.... but I'm not real crazy about the light > touch on > > his recent stuff... An odd view from someone who just defended 7 > Letters, but > > I wind up listening to 7 Letters more. CHRIS IS A DRUMMER! He > functioned as > > sort of the rhythm section of TD with his chugging sequencers and > that's what > > originally made my hair stand on end when I first was exposed to > the sound. > > My favorite of his (relatively) recent works would have to be > Vermillion > > Sands... Man what a rocking slice of glory day heaven... I crank > this one up > > every time ... > > > > I guess what I'm trying to get at is from my point of view they > should both > > play to > > their strengths... I prefer Edgar in melodic mode and I certainly > agree with > > everyone who has raved about Epsilon being one of the truly great > albums of > > all time (even beyond the circle of electronic music we equate it > with.) and > > also prefer Franke in a more rhythmic mode .... His sequences are > IMO the > > most rocking EM ever got. > > HE'S A DRUMMER! (oh wait, I already said that. ;-) > > > > and the fact that I would dearly love to see this happen is > precisely why it > > won't. > > > > Poly > > > > Paul Ellis > > Hypnos/Binary Recordings > > PO Box 6868 / Portland, Or 97228 / Usa > > www.hypnos.com > > > > 'It is only a few years before we shall have entirely new methods > of tone > > production > > by electrical means.... Thus will begin a new era in music.' > > Leopold Stokowski 1929 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27995 Re: Seven Letters From Tibet Paul Lawler Sat 7/28/2001 4 KB 28001 Re: Seven Letters From Tibet Frank Arellano Sat 7/28/2001 6 KB 28010 Re: Seven Letters From Tibet Paul Lawler Sun 7/29/2001 3 KB From: Deb H-J Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 2:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] T-Dream & Scifi reading Zozzy: If you're looking for good e-music background to reading sf&f, you might want to check out 'Symphonic Chronicles' on mp3.com. Or 'stargarden'. Both have a definite sf&f flavor to much of their music. Of the TD releases, 'Fauna Geni' always makes me think of David Brin or Brian Aldiss and 'Atem' makes me think of a Charles Harness short story called 'The Rose.' Interesting how we form associations like that, eh? Adios, Deb H-J --- ampmusic wrote: > Ah, well that would have to depend on what the > science fiction is. > > Peter F. Hamilton, Iain M. Banks, early Larry Niven, > good :-) > > Things with fuc**ng pixies, magic dragons, vampires, > adventures in a holosuite (TM Star Trek Inc.) e.g. > recent Larry Niven, > bad :-( > > IMHO of course :-) > > > Zozzy wrote: > > > Could someone give me some suggestions of > tracks/albums that are ideal > > background for scifi reading? > > Nothing too distracting but something with a > little drama rather than just pure > > ambient drone. > > I have Rubycon, Underwater Sunlight and a > compilation so far but i'm checking > > out mp3s to decide what albums I should buy next > (though none of cheesier techno > > remixes please ;) > > > > Cheers > > Zozzy/The Love Frequency > > > > ~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o > > Latest TLF track: Helix Nebula > > For Armchair Astronauts Everywhere > > http://www.mp3.com/tlf > > ~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: Deb H-J Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re: Baumann's contributions Frank, > I also love TD's Private Music CD for tracks > such as Roaring Of The > Bliss, Electric Lion, Melrose, Dolls In The Shadow > and Too Hot for My > Chinchilla. This CD was my very second CD that I had > ever bought of TD's, > little did I know how much it would change my life. Hear! Hear! I also love the Private Music period of TD, especially 'Electric Lion' and 'Sungate,' which have stayed in my TD Top 10 since I first heard them. I've never quite been able to hook into Yanni, but I like the early John Tesh stuff that he did for the Tour de France. It doesn't hurt that I am also a rabid pro cycling fan too ;o] Adios, Deb H-J __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 10:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Seven Letters from Tibet Glynn, can I remind you of Hilary's comments about how she felt 'Seven Letters From Tibet' touhced her soul in such a profound manner? By your rationale, we should be able to define such a connection she feels with this CD in very specific terms. But I feel that no matter how hard we look, no matter how thoroughly we sift through the criteria her conscience employs for appreciating certain music, we will conlude, empty handed, that such answers are ultimately futile and, thankfully, out of our reach. Are you in some way suggesting she (indeed, all of us) should feel the need to actually examine why she likes this music, and in doing so arrive at specific reasons for it? Why can't merely liking it be enough for her, for everyone? This constant need to understand and break down music into its fundamental components is surely not the reason the music was created in the first place. Such scrutiny can only detract from the subjective enjoyment and over-riding mood of any given piece. Music is an end product; the result of a combination of notes and sounds, composed and controlled by a musician. Everything that musician contributes to the music forms its final appearance, resulting in its completion. You are then suggesting we should examine it to find out way we like it. But with each step taken in the reverse direction, back towards the music's creation, we take a step away from that final product; away from its mood, away from the way it affects us, moves us. It takes us away from the very reason the musican wanted to create the music in the first place: to communicate with the listener. You and I are both fans of Tangerine Dream's music, yet I am sure there are tracks by them that you like more than I do, and vice versa. Why? I don't know. And do I want to know why? Not particularly. Music speaks one language, and to examine it on subsequent levels is to view it in a light under which it was not initially composed. A musician shouldn't really need to know why he has composed a particular piece of music, and in order to communicate with that piece on a level playing field, I don't feel the listener should need to examine their own criteria in the same manner. But, at the end of the day, if you feel the need to scrutinise down to various compositional and technical levels to justify your taste in music, then thats's fine too. Each to his own. - Chris > This is why I firmly stick to my belief that musical or other > artistic quality is objective and proveable, and that just to say 'I > like that' or 'that's crap' isn't enough. Well, it's okay for pop > art, but for the real deal you gotta give *reasons* why something is > good or bad. > > Glynn > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 3:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Seven Letters From Tibet I`m not sure I agree wholly with what you are saying . I agree that people have different tastes in music and you will never make them like something they dont (believe me , 2 years of being forced to listen to 17th century french opera at music school didnt convert me at all ) I do however thing it is possible to judge music on an analytical level as to whether it is a more accomplished piece of music composition than another . Whether or not you like one piece more than the other being irrelevant . If we compare the score of ' The Planets' to 7 letters then we would find that Holsts score is by far the more accomplished and musically advanced (once again I`m not saying this means you should then like The Planets more than 7 letters) . We could also compare the writing in 'Poland' to 7 letters and arrive at the same conclusion . You could compare Shakespeare to Jilly Cooper and find the same thing . You could compare the Mona Lisa to a childs scribble etc. My point is , that personal preference aside , it *is* possible to analyze music and judge it on its compositional merits alone . If you dont like it, it can still be 'appreciated' for its accomplishment . This does not mean however that music has to complicated to be accomplished (just before somebody writes that back at me) Please dont anybody come back to me with a 'personal taste' argument again :) I cant make it any clearer that I aint talking about that . Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Owen To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 11:00 PM Subject: [tadream] Seven Letters From Tibet > Very true, Hilary. Edgar has always maintained that TD's music was solely > designed to communicate with the listener in whatever form they choose to > receive it. The fact that 'Seven Letters From Tibet' reaches your soul in > this way would no doubt please him, because it means the music has achieved > its goal. If however, this CD doesn't strike the same chord with another > listener, it certainly doesn't mean the music is compositionally deficient, > or that the listener is lacking in some form of receptive intuition; it > simply means that the consciousness of both the musician and the listener > aren't quite in tune for that recording. Sometimes it works, sometimes it > doesn't. This is because we are not dealing with a science here; we are > dealing with the art of a musician attempting to communicate with a listener > through a medium which defies critical analysis. The fact that TD has, by > and large, acheived such success in this area for 30 years is as much down > to the humanity in their music as any technical qualities they may have > employed. > > - Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 4:01 pm Subject: [tadream] Me-Rad Can someone tell me which concert the Me-Rad CD is actually taken from? The label says 'Argonautica Americana Live USA 1976', but I'm not aware which concert that could be. Any help would be appreciated. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27998 Re: Me-Rad Steve Sat 7/28/2001 2 KB 27999 Re: Me-Rad Dennis Nigbur Sat 7/28/2001 3 KB 28003 Re: Me-Rad Michael A Jean Sat 7/28/2001 3 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 4:02 pm Subject: [tadream] Legend And another question... What _was_ the band line-up for 'Legend'? Paul Stump's book says it was Froese/Franke/Schmoelling, and Scott Plumer's says it was Froese/Franke/Haslinger. Who is right? Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28000 Re: Legend Gary Jenkins Sat 7/28/2001 2 KB 28002 Re: Legend Michael A Jean Sat 7/28/2001 3 KB From: 'Steve' Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 4:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Me-Rad According to http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdblist1.htm it's 'November 8, 1976 Nottingham Usher Hall, UK ' Steve www.craftman.co.uk www.rotties-r-us.co.uk www.stevecraftman.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/b5/ From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 4:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Me-Rad Thanks. That fits everything except the 'Live USA' part. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Steve' To: Sent: 28 July 2001 17:03 Subject: RE: [tadream] Me-Rad > According to http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdblist1.htm it's 'November 8, > 1976 Nottingham Usher Hall, UK ' > > Steve > > www.craftman.co.uk > www.rotties-r-us.co.uk > www.stevecraftman.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/b5/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28003 Re: Me-Rad Michael A Jean Sat 7/28/2001 3 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 4:20 pm Subject: Re: Legend --- In tadream@y..., 'Dennis Nigbur' wrote: > And another question... > > What _was_ the band line-up for 'Legend'? Paul Stump's book says it was Froese/Franke/Schmoelling, and Scott Plumer's says it was Froese/Franke/Haslinger. Who is right? > > Dennis Hi Dennis it was Franke/Froese/Schmoelling recorded around 1984 Cheers Gary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28002 Re: Legend Michael A Jean Sat 7/28/2001 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 4:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Seven Letters From Tibet I agree that there are some things about music that can be analyzed on its merits or cold hard facts [ie, Anyone musically trained can recognize the difference between a 3/4 measure from a 7/8 measure], but even ones analyzation can be subject to subjective reasoning. That is why two scientists can come up with two very different conclusions. I'm not attempting to play with semantics here. The master of semantics would probably go to Clinton. Case in point, his 'Define romantic' bull shit. But then I guess his confuse and baffle them with bull shit strategy _works_ 8-/ 8-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Lawler' To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Seven Letters From Tibet > I`m not sure I agree wholly with what you are saying . I agree that people > have different tastes in music and you will never make them like something > they dont (believe me , 2 years of being forced to listen to 17th century > french opera at music school didnt convert me at all ) > I do however thing it is possible to judge music on an analytical level as > to whether it is a more accomplished piece of music composition than another > . Whether or not you like one piece more than the other being irrelevant . > If we compare the score of ' The Planets' to 7 letters then we would find > that Holsts score is by far the more accomplished and musically advanced > (once again I`m not saying this means you should then like The Planets more > than 7 letters) . We could also compare the writing in 'Poland' to 7 letters > and arrive at the same conclusion . You could compare Shakespeare to Jilly > Cooper and find the same thing . > You could compare the Mona Lisa to a childs scribble etc. > My point is , that personal preference aside , it *is* possible to analyze > music and judge it on its compositional merits alone . If you dont like it, > it can still be 'appreciated' for its accomplishment . > This does not mean however that music has to complicated to be accomplished > (just before somebody writes that back at me) > Please dont anybody come back to me with a 'personal taste' argument again > :) I cant make it any clearer that I aint talking about that . > > Paul > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Owen > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 11:00 PM > Subject: [tadream] Seven Letters From Tibet > > > > Very true, Hilary. Edgar has always maintained that TD's music was solely > > designed to communicate with the listener in whatever form they choose to > > receive it. The fact that 'Seven Letters From Tibet' reaches your soul in > > this way would no doubt please him, because it means the music has > achieved > > its goal. If however, this CD doesn't strike the same chord with another > > listener, it certainly doesn't mean the music is compositionally > deficient, > > or that the listener is lacking in some form of receptive intuition; it > > simply means that the consciousness of both the musician and the listener > > aren't quite in tune for that recording. Sometimes it works, sometimes it > > doesn't. This is because we are not dealing with a science here; we are > > dealing with the art of a musician attempting to communicate with a > listener > > through a medium which defies critical analysis. The fact that TD has, by > > and large, acheived such success in this area for 30 years is as much down > > to the humanity in their music as any technical qualities they may have > > employed. > > > > - Chris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 5:35 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Legend FFS defintely...There was an article about it in Keyboard Magazine (Jan 86 I think)... I may stil have the article somewhere.. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Jenkins [mailto:hyperborea@b...] > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 11:20 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Legend > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Dennis Nigbur' wrote: > > And another question... > > > > What _was_ the band line-up for 'Legend'? Paul Stump's book says it > was Froese/Franke/Schmoelling, and Scott Plumer's says it was > Froese/Franke/Haslinger. Who is right? > > > > Dennis > > Hi Dennis it was Franke/Froese/Schmoelling recorded around 1984 > Cheers Gary > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 5:35 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Me-Rad Ardem-O was in the USA... It was a three CD set... > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Nigbur [mailto:Dennis@m...] > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 11:19 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Me-Rad > > > Thanks. That fits everything except the 'Live USA' part. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Steve' > To: > Sent: 28 July 2001 17:03 > Subject: RE: [tadream] Me-Rad > > > > According to http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdblist1.htm it's 'November 8, > > 1976 Nottingham Usher Hall, UK ' > > > > Steve > > > > www.craftman.co.uk > > www.rotties-r-us.co.uk > > www.stevecraftman.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/b5/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 1:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend line-up The line-up for 'Legend' was defintely Froese, Franke, Schmoelling. To confirm this, there is a photo in the 1990 UK tour programme which shows Edgar and Johannes in a studio with 'Legend' director Ridley Scott. - Chris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28021 Re: Legend line-up Dennis Nigbur Sun 7/29/2001 3 KB From: vic rek Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 6:07 pm Subject: New TD Samplers All this talk about '7 Letters..', There is a sampler that features 'The Red Blood Connection' from '7 Letters' on: *** 2001' Super Instrumental - Russia Millenuim Tracks Ltd. MLN 803 *** MTV New Age sampler- USA SRecords Co. SR0009568-2395, 2001 This sampler has C. Franke's 'Flower Hill Trail'. Vic P.S. Does anyone have Fancisco Salgados new e-mail address??? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28027 Re: New TD Samplers vic rek Sun 7/29/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 7:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] T-Dream & Scifi reading Oooops I forgot to plug myself... :-) Two (and a half) of my albums are sf/space oriented; 'Space Dreams' is mainly lightweight and cosmic, 'Space Dreams 2' is more up-tempo, technological and rhythmic. Also the second half of 'Mexico Rising' subtitled 'Space Odysseys' should be suitable. A couple of years ago I played an improvised set at the UK Jean-Michel Jarre convention, now on the CD 'SynProvisation', and as this comprises slowly evolving synth patterns with less melodic content, it's probably also suitable for reading along with. More info on all these at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/mjindex.html NP; Citroen C5 ad on the TV using Jarre's 'Oxygene' :-) Deb H-J wrote: > Zozzy: > > If you're looking for good e-music background to > reading sf&f, you might want to check out 'Symphonic > Chronicles' on mp3.com. Or 'stargarden'. Both have a > definite sf&f flavor to much of their music. > > Of the TD releases, 'Fauna Geni' always makes me think > of David Brin or Brian Aldiss and 'Atem' makes me > think of a Charles Harness short story called 'The > Rose.' Interesting how we form associations like that, > eh? > > Adios, > > Deb H-J > > --- ampmusic wrote: > > Ah, well that would have to depend on what the > > science fiction is. > > > > Peter F. Hamilton, Iain M. Banks, early Larry Niven, > > good :-) > > > > Things with fuc**ng pixies, magic dragons, vampires, > > adventures in a holosuite (TM Star Trek Inc.) e.g. > > recent Larry Niven, > > bad :-( > > > > IMHO of course :-) > > > > > > Zozzy wrote: > > > > > Could someone give me some suggestions of > > tracks/albums that are ideal > > > background for scifi reading? > > > Nothing too distracting but something with a > > little drama rather than just pure > > > ambient drone. > > > I have Rubycon, Underwater Sunlight and a > > compilation so far but i'm checking > > > out mp3s to decide what albums I should buy next > > (though none of cheesier techno > > > remixes please ;) > > > > > > Cheers > > > Zozzy/The Love Frequency > > > > > > ~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o > > > Latest TLF track: Helix Nebula > > > For Armchair Astronauts Everywhere > > > http://www.mp3.com/tlf > > > ~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o > > > From: horrod6 Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 6:54 pm Subject: Re: Seven Letters ... 'This is why I firmly stick to my belief that musical or other artistic quality is objective and proveable, and that just to say 'I like that' or 'that's crap' isn't enough. Well, it's okay for pop art, but for the real deal you gotta give *reasons* why something is good or bad. Glynn' I can see what you're getting at, Glynn, but I can't agree that by removing the emotional element of the equation you are ariving at an objective, measurable, provable, or whatever result. Yes, we should be able to agree whether one piece of music is compositionally more or less complex than another, to use one of your criteria as an example. And that could be something that everyone in the world could do repeatedly and always come up with the same answer as each other every time - so far, so objective. But where I think your system fails is that you assume that the more compositionally complex a piece of music is the 'better' it is. And I don't think you will get everybody in the world to agree on that one. I feel that to say that a more complex piece of music is automatically better than a less complex piece _is_ a subjective judgement. Don't get me wrong - I love The Art of Fugue, and I might well agree with your opinion about complexity. But I still think it's an opinion, not an objective fact. LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28011 Re: Seven Letters ... Paul Lawler Sun 7/29/2001 4 KB 28035 Re: Seven Letters ... Joe Shoults Mon 7/30/2001 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 10:02 pm Subject: I'll BRB Hello everyone, I'll be out of the list for some time; college begins in 16th of August. I'll be at work from 7:30 am to 4:30 pm, and university classes begin at 6:00 pm and go till around 10:00 or 10:40 pm, depending on the day. I'll study Computer Science. I may be out of the list for a long time or forever, I don't know. I'll still be around, always checking whether anyone is at #tadream@s..., and on ICQ (5727909). I hope we can still have some contact somehow. You can email me any time if you want. Thank you for everything! Merry Christmas! heheheh If you want me to read any reply to this, please send directly to me, because I will unsub just after sending this message. GJ, always playing: Tangerine Dream / J.M.Jarre / Carmina Burana / Klaus Schulze / Barry White / Philip Glass / Kraftwerk / Mike Oldfield / roland xp-30 / Beethoven / Vangelis / any good music I find. Best recent purchases: Klaus Schulze - Audentity; Gustav Mahler - 5th Symphony; Best of Saint-Saëns (2CD); J.M.Jarre - The Essential JMJ (I already have all his albums but this is a quite rare 'best of', released in 1983! :) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28009 Re: I'll BRB Poul Erik Sat 7/28/2001 3 KB From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I'll BRB Have a nice time then. Cheers from Poul Hello everyone, I'll be out of the list for some time; college begins in 16th of August. I'll be at work from 7:30 am to 4:30 pm, and university classes begin at 6:00 pm and go till around 10:00 or 10:40 pm, depending on the day. I'll study Computer Science. I may be out of the list for a long time or forever, I don't know. I'll still be around, always checking whether anyone is at #tadream@s..., and on ICQ (5727909). I hope we can still have some contact somehow. You can email me any time if you want. Thank you for everything! Merry Christmas! heheheh If you want me to read any reply to this, please send directly to me, because I will unsub just after sending this message. GJ, always playing: Tangerine Dream / J.M.Jarre / Carmina Burana / Klaus Schulze / Barry White / Philip Glass / Kraftwerk / Mike Oldfield / roland xp-30 / Beethoven / Vangelis / any good music I find. Best recent purchases: Klaus Schulze - Audentity; Gustav Mahler - 5th Symphony; Best of Saint-Saëns (2CD); J.M.Jarre - The Essential JMJ (I already have all his albums but this is a quite rare 'best of', released in 1983! :) ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 5:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Seven Letters From Tibet ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Arellano To: Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Seven Letters From Tibet > I agree that there are some things about music that can be analyzed on > its merits or cold hard facts [ie, Anyone musically trained can recognize > the difference between a 3/4 measure from a 7/8 measure], but even ones > analyzation can be subject to subjective reasoning. That is why two > scientists can come up with two very different conclusions. > Very true ,but there are often universal recognitions of things being good or bad . For instance a good goal in football may be one where the player tackles the whole opposition team and shoots the ball from an impossible angle and distance into the net and scores a *great* goal . But then like you say, someone will say ,'well I prefer the own goals' . I dont even like football but I think I would appreciate a Great goal as being great, as the majority of people would . maybe ? Paul From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 12:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Seven Letters ... I sent a message nearly 9 hours ago , why has it not appeared yet ? Am I still being moderated asfter all this time ? Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) ----- Original Message ----- From: horrod6 To: dreamers Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 7:54 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Seven Letters ... > 'This is why I firmly stick to my belief that musical or other > artistic quality is objective and proveable, and that just to say 'I > like that' or 'that's crap' isn't enough. Well, it's okay for pop > art, but for the real deal you gotta give *reasons* why something is > good or bad. > > Glynn' > > I can see what you're getting at, Glynn, but I can't agree that by > removing the emotional element of the equation you are ariving at an > objective, measurable, provable, or whatever result. > > Yes, we should be able to agree whether one piece of music is > compositionally more or less complex than another, to use one of your > criteria as an example. And that could be something that everyone in the > world could do repeatedly and always come up with the same answer as > each other every time - so far, so objective. > > But where I think your system fails is that you assume that the more > compositionally complex a piece of music is the 'better' it is. And I > don't think you will get everybody in the world to agree on that one. I > feel that to say that a more complex piece of music is automatically > better than a less complex piece _is_ a subjective judgement. > > Don't get me wrong - I love The Art of Fugue, and I might well agree > with your opinion about complexity. But I still think it's an opinion, > not an objective fact. > > LnH > > Marion > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: tony.walsh@c... Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 11:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] T-Dream & Scifi reading I always found 'Desert Dream' good for the darker parts Of 'The Lord Of The Rings', but I don't think of that as Sci Fi. Happy reading! T >Could someone give me some suggestions of tracks/albums that are ideal >background for scifi reading? >Nothing too distracting but something with a little drama rather than just pure >ambient drone. >I have Rubycon, Underwater Sunlight and a compilation so far but i'm checking >out mp3s to decide what albums I should buy next (though none of cheesier techno >remixes please ;) > >Cheers >Zozzy/The Love Frequency > > >~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o >Latest TLF track: Helix Nebula >For Armchair Astronauts Everywhere >http://www.mp3.com/tlf >~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: tony.walsh@c... Date: Fri Jul 27, 2001 11:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Seven Letters from Tibet Well said! I'd rather listen to 'Seven Letters...' than 'The Tyranny of Tournado' any day, but that's my call isn't it? T. >Music is something that talks to the soul in man. It doesn't matter >whether its compositionally sound or not. That's really not the >point. What matters is that it says something to you; it enters into >you; fills you; opens you; loves you. > >Listen to 'The Green Land' and let it talk to your heart; enter into >the calm of the music. > >Try 'Indigo Cloud'; be troubled, nothing calm here. > >Or 'Red Blood Connection'; mystery and waiting. > >'The Blue Pearl'; control, cool, a statement. > >etc. > >You can't appreciate music by looking at the bits and the bytes. We >aren't digital people. I have a soul and the music talks to me! > >Hilary From: mikebrowder@y... Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 1:37 am Subject: re: [tadream] T-Dream & Scifi reading Ricochet, Phaedra, Encore, and Logos should work well. Parts of Zeit would work well as a soundtrack to an old Lugosi film. The part of Zeit that sounds like someone learning to play the violin in the midst of a swarm of bees works for some Lovecraft such as The Music of Erich Zann. mike Zozzy   >>Could someone give me some >>suggestions of tracks/albums that are >>ideal background for scifi reading? >>Nothing too distracting but something >>with a little drama rather than just pure >>ambient drone. I have Rubycon, >>Underwater Sunlight and a compilation >>so far but i'm checking out mp3s to >>decide what albums I should buy next >>(though none of cheesier techno >>remixes please ;) >>Cheers >>Zozzy/The Love Frequency [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 6:03 am Subject: TD Sound design IMO, I think he HAS. Having just discovered some of the more recent work... Mars Polaris, etc. my first impression was that the sound design/production is much more subtle now than around say the time of Optical Race, Lily on the Beach. It struck me that DM3 is really good production-wise in that regard. Just my opinion. As for sound design issues in general... those of you who wouldn't suspect it, would be amazed at how many of those sounds are just stock factory patches. I'm thinking of Deep Atmosphere, for example, from the Wavestation as heard on Mobocaster (second :20). Also used at the beginning of Is It Love from Jon & Vangelis Page of Life. (There's a swirly/flutey sound called Freeflight, for example, that you hear a lot on Vangelis' 1492 soundtrack and also on Kitaro's Enchanted Evening. Kitaro made a whole song of just hitting single keys up and down the keyboard and playing with that sound). In all fairness, it's kind of funny, 'cos quite often a lot of those factory patches are trying to emulate TD sounds in the first place, and it's possible that some of the sounds (like some of the PPG factories from the 80s) may have come from TD? Somebody was talking about drums too... and I think Jerome is a drummer first. On the '92 tour in the U.S. he had some sort of drum pad device that he was playing. I like the drum work (presumedly it's him) that he's been doing for TD. I haven't heard Phaedra in a while... not since my turntable pooped out ages ago. Hearing some of the discussion on this list makes me want to go out and pick up a copy. Wes <<>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [moderator's note: subject has been changed from 'Digest #whatever'] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28020 Re: TD Sound design Dennis Nigbur Sun 7/29/2001 4 KB 28024 Re: TD Sound design Marcel Engels Sun 7/29/2001 3 KB 28026 Re: TD Sound design thomas.soucheleau@n... Sun 7/29/2001 2 KB 28079 Re: TD Sound design Bill Fox Thu 8/2/2001 4 KB From: Zozzy Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 10:45 am Subject: current readings On 28 Jul 2001 00:57:32 -0000, you wrote: >Ah, well that would have to depend on what the science fiction is. > >Peter F. Hamilton, Iain M. Banks, early Larry Niven, good :-) > >Things with fuc**ng pixies, magic dragons, vampires, adventures in a holosuite (TM Star Trek Inc.) e.g. recent Larry Niven, >bad :-( Heh... at the moment I'm 2/3s through Stephen Donaldson's Gap Cycle to be followed by Stanley Robinsons' Green Mars and then Vernor Vinges' Fire upon the Deep. Then there's some short stories by Joe Haldemann, the few Heinlein books I have not yet read, some Dan Simmons, Asimovs' The Gods Themselves and Le Guins' Left Hand of Darkness... After that it gets a little more obscure... No pixies (or I'd ask on the Gong list ;) and definitely no Unicorns (although we could let the one in Bladerunner pass ;) no cottages and no fairies (no matter how they are spelt ;) Hope that narrows it down a bit! Zozzy ~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o Latest TLF track: Helix Nebula For Armchair Astronauts Everywhere http://www.mp3.com/tlf ~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o [moderator's note: subject has been changed from 'Digest #971'] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28019 Re: current readings Dennis Nigbur Sun 7/29/2001 4 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 2:06 am Subject: hard work and art I recently bought a copy of the Synergy Compilation and was reading the liner notes, where Larry Fast talked about the production of some of that early music. I mention this because I'm sure the situation was similar for TD as well. It's almost mind boggling to imagine what was done with 'so little' relatively speaking. And let's not forget that the majority of the Beatles work was recorded using only four tracks. One CAN certainly do all of this on a laptop, and I think I wrote about this once that I thought it was cool that you could see TD live, for example, and concievably for all practical purposes they've got their entire studio with them. I think the sonic possibilities of that are exciting. But when all is said and done, at the end of the day, you can have all sorts of 'toys' and none of it means anything unless the 'art' is there. One could point out the various animated movies one sees as well as regular movies... unless the story is good and well acted, none of the fireworks really matter! In a message dated 7/28/2001 2:57:45 AM Central Daylight Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 07:48:07 -0000 > From: 'Hilary Wright' > Subject: Re: Seven Letters from Tibet > > You make a good point about the hard work that went into making the > music in the 'old' days. Yes, it is possible to appreciate the > technical perseverance that went into those productions especially > when performed live! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 2:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 972 Hilary, I think this is most true, and in that regard, I have the utmost respect for Mr. Froese for remaining true to his vision at all cost. One can look at both positive and negative aspects of not caring what the fans may want you to do, or what the record companies may want you to do... but on a certain level, I think you have to respect the artistic integrity of someone whose primary concern is to remain true to his own vision. <<>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 9:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] current readings Give 'Thief' and 'Exit' a try. They have a fairly cold, polished high-tech sound without sacrificing any of the beauty of their melodies and sounds. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Zozzy' To: Sent: 28 July 2001 11:45 Subject: [tadream] current readings > On 28 Jul 2001 00:57:32 -0000, you wrote: > > >Ah, well that would have to depend on what the science fiction is. > > > >Peter F. Hamilton, Iain M. Banks, early Larry Niven, good :-) > > > >Things with fuc**ng pixies, magic dragons, vampires, adventures in a holosuite (TM Star Trek Inc.) e.g. recent Larry Niven, > >bad :-( > > Heh... at the moment I'm 2/3s through Stephen Donaldson's Gap Cycle to be > followed by Stanley Robinsons' Green Mars and then Vernor Vinges' Fire upon the > Deep. Then there's some short stories by Joe Haldemann, the few Heinlein books I > have not yet read, some Dan Simmons, Asimovs' The Gods Themselves and Le Guins' > Left Hand of Darkness... > After that it gets a little more obscure... > No pixies (or I'd ask on the Gong list ;) and definitely no Unicorns (although > we could let the one in Bladerunner pass ;) no cottages and no fairies (no > matter how they are spelt ;) > > Hope that narrows it down a bit! > > Zozzy > > > ~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o > Latest TLF track: Helix Nebula > For Armchair Astronauts Everywhere > http://www.mp3.com/tlf > ~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~o > > [moderator's note: subject has been changed from 'Digest #971'] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 9:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Sound design I remember an announcement prior to the release of Mars Polaris saying that the long-awaited shift in direction in TD's style (an odd thing to market like that, but then TDI's marketing ploys are often more experimental than a lot of the music they publish) would involve a turn back to more intensive sound research and design. The claim was that they would be as creative with the sounds as they used to be - through necessity - in the days of old analogue synths, except that they would use software plug-ins rather than knobs and patches. I agree with you that this is partially borne out in Mars Polaris, which does sound fresher from a sonic perspective than much of the 1988-97 stuff. But I also remember many on this list being disappointed at the relatively modest scope of new sounds and the persistence of some of the familiar ones. I put it down to the mass of pre-programmed sounds on the market these days. In the seventies, when synthesisers were first used by TD and others, it was quite easy to develop fresh-sounding, novel sounds because there weren't a lot of them around, let alone pre-programmed into the instruments. Today, instruments come with hundreds of pre-programmed sounds often so sophisticated that it becomes difficult to edit them and end up with something that sounds good as well as new. Note that, not only in TD's sleeve notes, musicians no longer play 'synthesisers' but just 'keyboards'. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 28 July 2001 07:03 Subject: [tadream] TD Sound design > IMO, I think he HAS. Having just discovered some of the more recent work... > Mars Polaris, etc. my first impression was that the sound design/production > is much more subtle now than around say the time of Optical Race, Lily on the > Beach. It struck me that DM3 is really good production-wise in that regard. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28024 Re: TD Sound design Marcel Engels Sun 7/29/2001 3 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 9:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend line-up Thanks Chris! Legend sounds like Schmoelling material to me and always has done. But I swayed when I looked through my collection the other day and found the conflicting information. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Chris Owen' To: Sent: 29 July 2001 02:30 Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend line-up > The line-up for 'Legend' was defintely Froese, Franke, Schmoelling. To > confirm this, there is a photo in the 1990 UK tour programme which shows > Edgar and Johannes in a studio with 'Legend' director Ridley Scott. > > - Chris > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 9:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Legend Yes, it sounds very much like Schmoelling. You can never be too sure with soundtrack work, though. Thanks Michael! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Michael A Jean' To: Sent: 28 July 2001 18:35 Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Legend > FFS defintely...There was an article about it in Keyboard Magazine (Jan 86 I > think)... I may stil have the article somewhere.. > > MJ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gary Jenkins [mailto:hyperborea@b...] > > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 11:20 AM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Legend > > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Dennis Nigbur' wrote: > > > And another question... > > > > > > What _was_ the band line-up for 'Legend'? Paul Stump's book says it > > was Froese/Franke/Schmoelling, and Scott Plumer's says it was > > Froese/Franke/Haslinger. Who is right? > > > > > > Dennis > > > > Hi Dennis it was Franke/Froese/Schmoelling recorded around 1984 > > Cheers Gary > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 9:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Legend Thanks Gary! That's my two queries solved then, with the usual competence and knowledge found on this list! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gary Jenkins' To: Sent: 28 July 2001 17:20 Subject: [tadream] Re: Legend > --- In tadream@y..., 'Dennis Nigbur' wrote: > > And another question... > > > > What _was_ the band line-up for 'Legend'? Paul Stump's book says it > was Froese/Franke/Schmoelling, and Scott Plumer's says it was > Froese/Franke/Haslinger. Who is right? > > > > Dennis > > Hi Dennis it was Franke/Froese/Schmoelling recorded around 1984 > Cheers Gary > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 10:31 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TD Sound design > From: Dennis Nigbur [mailto:Dennis@m...] > I put it down > to the mass of pre-programmed sounds on the market these days. In > the seventies, when synthesisers were first used by TD and > others, it was quite easy to develop fresh-sounding, novel sounds > because there weren't a lot of them around, let alone > pre-programmed into the instruments. Today, instruments come with > hundreds of pre-programmed sounds often so sophisticated that it > becomes difficult to edit them and end up with something that > sounds good as well as new. Well actually they used quite a lot of 'preset' keyboard/synths back in those days. For instance the mellotron or the Arp pro soloist or the string ensembles (Elka and Solina) is used very extensively. But somehow I can hear them play and struggle with it and thats what I like. You can even hear Chris struggle with the sequencer to keep it in tune and finding notes...it's the human element what interests me. It sounds like everything is 'pinpointed' at the exact measure nowadays...no bumm notes live, no struggle. I don't mind the new 'digital' sounds or the plug-ins or virtual analogs, they can sound great but it's the 'struggle'/human element that is missing for me (all imo). Maybe the Froeses have evolved and can play like computers at the exact measures etc...only I don't believe it. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 11:38 am Subject: auction _and_ rarity page ends Hi all, the auction on http://www.caby.de/Rarity has ended. Have a look if you're interested in the results. This was the last auction, at least for a long time. While I've seen some of the items go for a lot more on ebay, this auction only attracted a total of TWO bids. The previous ones had not been great successes either, and I always had to wait 4-6 weeks to get the last payment in. Not worth the hassle. So, if you want something from my swap and sales list, but are too shy to make me an offer, let me know and I just might put the item on ebay. At the same time, the rarity MP3 offered for download buzzed like hell, e.g. in May: #Anf.: %Bytes: Datei ----- ------ ----- 118: 40.59%: /Music/Rarity/LoveOfMine.mp3 Over 40% of the total site traffic, 30-35% were typical. Not a single 'thankyou' email ever came. Tired of feeding the leeches, I'll turn my attention to more responsive pets... best regards, klaus From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 7:54 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] TD Sound design 'Maybe the Froeses have evolved and can play like computers at the exact measures etc...only I don't believe it.' No, it's just that Edgar will never admit how much he admires Kraftwerk! ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) From: vic rek Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 8:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New TD Samplers I need to make a correction on the MTV sampler. You will not find a US release, only a Russian one that looks like a USA official release. I was surprised when I heard MTV New Age? Apparently there are now Russian fake releases that look like Western ones. vic rek wrote: > All this talk about '7 Letters..', > > There is a sampler that features 'The Red Blood Connection' from '7 > Letters' on: > > *** 2001' Super Instrumental - Russia Millenuim Tracks Ltd. MLN 803 > > *** MTV New Age sampler- USA SRecords Co. SR0009568-2395, 2001 > This sampler has C. Franke's 'Flower Hill Trail'. From: '??? ????' Date: Sat Jul 28, 2001 9:43 pm Subject: A question about a 2 Cd set hey all, had a big question about a 2 Cd set I saw in a local MALL SHOP the other day. The cost was about 20 bucks, and it had a cool cover and stuff on it, BUT unfortunately, I DO NOT recall the exact title of the Cd. It was a 2 Cd set, and it was released in 1995. It looked like a collection of songs possibly from another 'best of' or compilation hits thing? Any idea? I'm assuming I MIGHT find this on the discography, but I don't happen to actually own this Cd set, and was going to pick it up unless it's a variety of other songs from different Cds of past years? There were about 25 or 26 songs on the two Cd set, the cover was blue and white with a cool looking picture on it, but I don't (SIGH) recall the exact title. I know TD has released some differet sets containing various songs from other releases, that's why I was asking, to prevent from buying something I might already own in different compilations. Also wanted to make another remark about NON TD. I'd mentioned (and gotten some really good responses) about TONY CAREY. I'm an absolutely huge fan, and believe I now own EVERY RELEASE he's never issued. It's mostly 80's instrumental releases, NO vocals whatsoever, but if you listen to about 80% of his early releases prior to his pop AOR releases of the 80's and 90's, it's almost like he was LISTENING To Tangerine Dream before working on his material. The similarities are so close it's scary, very 'new age' and all keyboard/synth sounding. Just thought I'd mention it, as it's GREAT STUFF, and if anyone is ever interested in swapping for copies of this stuff, I'd always love to increase my TD collection. thanks. peace. dan P.S. ANY IDEA when more US TOUR DATES are going to be released? I've been patiently waiting for anything closer to Michigan, and if not, no worries, I'll travel farther up if I have to! Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockpage.musicpage.com Visit TheTradingCircle - Found Here! http://www.yahoogroups.com Contact me: AOL IM (winnietiggerfan) or MSN Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28033 Re: A question about a 2 Cd set Dennis Nigbur Mon 7/30/2001 5 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 6:12 am Subject: SBE download from TD Side Hi all, now you can download a part of the Shepherds Bush Empire Concert May 2001 from the Tangerine Dream Homepage: www.tangerinedream.de/movies/ Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 8:00 am Subject: Re: The so-called end of TD Okay, so here's a few thoughts as regards TD's possible end. I remember back about 1975 when TD was first brought to my attention - not through hearing the music, funnily enough, but some advertising that was running in the British music press at the time. They were cartoons drawn by British cartoonist McLachlan, and the first was what looked like a football fan looking at a wall with the graffiti 'Tangerine Dream Rules' - and then, on a double page centre spread, the group (cartoon caricatures) burst through the wall (do any Brits remember this?). Soon after that I got 'Ricochet' from the local library and taped it, and as yet I hadn't really 'clicked' with their music. I was still getting excited with collecting the back catalogue of Pink Floyd after I purchased 'Wish You Were Here'. Then in 1976, for perhaps the only time ever in their history, TD was played on daytime Radio 1! It was in fact Simon Bates that played the single version on 'Monolight'. I remember it not sounding the way I had expected it. As it turned out, this single was only released to fulfil a Virgin contract. But it wasn't until 1978 when I finally spent some of my own hard earned cash on an TD album (would you believe it was 'Cyclone'?). This was through hearing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' on Alan Freeman's Saturday show on Radio 1. That was it. I was hooked. After that, I started to collect all the earlier albums over the next twelve months, and was suitably bowled over with 'Force Majeure' (although I still cannot get into the last eight minutes or so of 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks'). As I also regularly checked the charts on Friday, I noticed that the album entered the Top 30 used by Radio 1 and, therefore, qualified for airplay on the album chart run-down as hosted by Johnnie Walker on Thursdays. BUGGER! It was Friday! So now I would never know what was played. Alan Freeman eventually made way for Tommy Vance's 'Friday Rock Show', but the band still received airplay on that programme - as regards their next releases, the opening bars of 'Tangram Set 2' were played, along with 'Igneous' from 'Thief', Then, shortly after buying 'Thief', I heard a new track on the Rock Show which was suitably jaunty and was then told it was Tangerine Dream's new single! (The track, was of course, 'Choronzon'). It was at this point that I hoped the single would be a success, so the band could finally be heard and be recognised by many more people - the mainstream public. So I curtailed my aural activities, sallied forth and infiltrated a place of purveyance to negotiate the vending of a 17.78cm piece of black vinyl. Not a piece. Eventually I discovered it in the local covered market - not in a bright, full colour sleeve but in a standard green and red Virgin paper sleeve. No press advertising, no more airplay, inadequate distribution, so subsequently the single never sold. This was a sign of things to come. Back to the 'Friday Rock Show', and 'Pilots of Purple Twilight' from 'Exit' gets played. However, favourable press advertising from the band's label, Virgin, started to diminish somewhat. In the past, the label would post full page advertising in the British music press for three successive weeks, and 'Force Majeure' was the last to receive that (its success, of course, was no doubt helped that it was the first album to be pressed in clear vinyl). The next advertising I noticed would then be for 'Exit', which was slimmed down to half a column page for one week, although I believe it ran for two weeks in 'Melody Maker' after the paper delivered a very favourable review to the album, and a quote was suitably included. The next - and last time I heard TD on national radio was 'Poland' on Tommy Vance's programme, and the track played was the last few minutes of 'Barbakane' (essentially 'Warsaw in the Sun, and a few minutes which was subsequently left off the Essential re-release). Prior to this of course, was the closest the band would come to a hit single. 'Warsaw in the Sun' - which was pressed as a 7', 12' and 7' coloured vinyl - would eventually reach about number 86 in the singles chart. But where was the advertising? Then came the TV series 'Streethawk' - and a subsequent single. Surely this should be it for the band? Mainstream fame at last! Nope. The single was a radically remixed version and was considerably poorer and less commercial (although to be fair to the band, I think this had more to do with politics with the TV company concerned). Although released in a pretty attractive 12' picture sleeve, again, as far as I can make out, no press advertising and no airplay (although the latter I wasn't surprised at). 'Le Parc' was released - like it or not, it was a commercial album - and it only received a half page press advert, sharing prominance in a half page ad with Mark Shreeve's 'Legion' album (Mark was perhaps just as peeved as well). This would be the last time I would see Jive Electro - the band's label at the time - advertise the group. Two years later, 'Tyger' the single was released. For me, this had the most potential as a hit single, and was suitably far removed from the band's normal music so as not to alienate the mainstream. What actually happened? A limited number of copies were released in a plain blue Jive sleeve. That was the last throw of the dice as far as the band was concerned, and IMO, a contributing factor to Chris's departure. The point I'm trying to make? In that period I really wanted TD to be successful and not just remain a 'cult' band. Their music was good enough, and in some cases, commercial enough. Now, unfortunately, there is no chance of that. It is also fair to say that press advertising and airplay is considerably important for sales (that's how the band was brought to my attention - I was still too young to appreciate the fact that John Peel was playing them and I didn't listen to him at the time), but, save for specialist programmes broadcast at unearthly hours, that doesn't happen. Their fan base is shrinking all the time, and I don't think any major label would take them on any more. This makes me very very sad as the band have contributed so much to music technology and electronic music as a whole. It would be a great pity for them to fold now. But who is to blame? Is it Edgar's stubbornness? Is it the record labels in the past who failed to back up their albums with suitable promotion? Is it simply because the band are incredibly difficult to categorise? Perhaps we'll never know until we finally get the official story from the man himself. (And I would volunteer to write the book if the man would let me do so!) I really don't want the band to fold with a whimper. But, as things stand now, it looks like it'll be the case. Maybe the fan base is still big enough for them to continue on for a bit longer, but those great days have gone and will never come back. -Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28032 Re: The so-called end of TD glynn_naughton@h... Mon 7/30/2001 3 KB 28036 Re: The so-called end of TD Joe Shoults Mon 7/30/2001 2 KB 28040 Re: The so-called end of TD ampmusic Mon 7/30/2001 4 KB 28050 Re: The so-called end of TD Colin Anderson Tue 7/31/2001 4 KB 28052 Tommy Vance! glynn_naughton@h... Tue 7/31/2001 2 KB 28051 Re: The so-called end of TD Dennis Nigbur Tue 7/31/2001 3 KB 28135 Re: The so-called end of TD Tony Walsh Sat 8/4/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 8:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers tale > My favorite is Dream Conspiracy's 'Dysfunction' and for good reason: it's > the most like old TD, weaving picture music in my brain. Wow, thank you! The track was a long 40 odd minute improv which was chopped to prevent any insanity! Matt From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 9:47 am Subject: Re: The so-called end of TD --- In tadream@y..., 'Roger Hartopp' wrote: >I really don't want the band to fold with a whimper. But, as things >stand now, it looks like it'll be the case. Maybe the fan base is >still big enough for them to continue on for a bit longer, but those >great days have gone and will never come back. > >-Roger Hartopp Interesting and detailed post, Roger. It seems that all successful acts in whatever branch of the entertainment world go through the same life-cycle: 1) intial rise to success 2) period of mainstream success 3) deserted by casual fans but hardcore remains loyal (The only act I can think of that bucks this trend is Pink Floyd, which seems to continue at the same collosal level of success for decade after decade and to be impervious to the forces that bring others down.) There are numerous examples of this: Stephen King, who ruled the bestseller lists through the 80s. Phil Collins, who was at his 'peak' in the 80s, etc, etc. I suppose that the number of loyal hardcore fans in phase 3 must be in proportion to the scale of phase 2, so King can still shift 3 million copies or so of a book - not bad by any absolute standards, but way below the business he was doing in the 80s. The acts that struggle are the ones whose mainstream success was never that great anyway - Marillion, Gary Numan, or our very own TD. There are barely enough hardcore fans around to keep the boat afloat once they go into phase 3, so they end up in the humiliating position of self-publishing/playing tiny venues etc. In TD's case, I don't think it is necessarily related to the quality (or lack thereof, if you feel that way) of their music in recent years. It's just a fact of life that acts have a finite life span, and when you've been around for 30 years you must be closer to the end than the beginning... Glynn From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 10:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A question about a 2 Cd set Concurrently with 'The Dream Roots Collection', two sets of CDs (I think it was double CDs) were released. Both of them had identical (?) covers in the style of a Renaissance painting, and I think they were called 'Book of Dreams'. One of them had a blue cover, and one of them a pink one. Essentially, they were repackaged versions of the 'blue years' and 'pink years' material, probably from 'Dream Roots Collection'. I bought none of these compilations, so I can't tell you for sure. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: '??? ????' To: 'TaDreamList' Sent: 28 July 2001 22:43 Subject: [tadream] A question about a 2 Cd set > hey all, had a big question about a 2 Cd set I saw in a local MALL SHOP the other day. The cost was about 20 bucks, and it had a cool cover and stuff on it, BUT unfortunately, I DO NOT recall the exact title of the Cd. It was a 2 Cd set, and it was released in 1995. It looked like a collection of songs possibly from another 'best of' or compilation hits thing? > > Any idea? I'm assuming I MIGHT find this on the discography, but I don't happen to actually own this Cd set, and was going to pick it up unless it's a variety of other songs from different Cds of past years? > > There were about 25 or 26 songs on the two Cd set, the cover was blue and white with a cool looking picture on it, but I don't (SIGH) recall the exact title. I know TD has released some differet sets containing various songs from other releases, that's why I was asking, to prevent from buying something I might already own in different compilations. > > Also wanted to make another remark about NON TD. I'd mentioned (and gotten some really good responses) about TONY CAREY. I'm an absolutely huge fan, and believe I now own EVERY RELEASE he's never issued. It's mostly 80's instrumental releases, NO vocals whatsoever, but if you listen to about 80% of his early releases prior to his pop AOR releases of the 80's and 90's, it's almost like he was LISTENING To Tangerine Dream before working on his material. The similarities are so close it's scary, very 'new age' and all keyboard/synth sounding. Just thought I'd mention it, as it's GREAT STUFF, and if anyone is ever interested in swapping for copies of this stuff, I'd always love to increase my TD collection. > > thanks. peace. > > dan > > P.S. ANY IDEA when more US TOUR DATES are going to be released? I've been patiently waiting for anything closer to Michigan, and if not, no worries, I'll travel farther up if I have to! > > > > Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! > http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com > http://christianrockpage.musicpage.com > Visit TheTradingCircle - Found Here! > http://www.yahoogroups.com > Contact me: AOL IM (winnietiggerfan) or MSN Messenger > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 10:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] slamming electronics On Wednesday 25 July 2001 3:22 pm, you wrote: > As far as computer drums, I think the objection is really to the cheese. > There's been plenty of that around for years and since 1986 was brought up, > I'd offer that it was during the early MIDI craze that things got > out-of-hand and that perhaps it was the Yamaha DX series more than anything > infected EM for years. Beautiful fat analog sounds of yore were given way > to tinny FM synthesis. From which EM has had a difficult time recovering. There is nothing wrong with FM sure it can sound thin and isn't as fun to play with as analogue but quite a few of TD's and CF's albums would've sounded very different if it were not for FM synths. Matt From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 2:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Seven Letters ... nope! must be some delay in yahoo. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Lawler [mailto:lawlermusic@s...] > I sent a message nearly 9 hours ago , why has it not appeared > yet ? Am I > still being moderated asfter all this time ? From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 2:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: The so-called end of TD no wonder Ed seems to hate the major labels. > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...] - snip lots of examples of poor promotion - > like it or not, it was a commercial album - and it only received a > half page press advert, sharing prominance in a half page ad with > Mark Shreeve's 'Legion' album (Mark was perhaps just as peeved as > well). This would be the last time I would see Jive Electro - the > band's label at the time - advertise the group. From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Talking Of Peter Bardens From the Official Camel Website :- http://www.camelproductions.com/News.htm Some of you may be aware of recent reports regarding the health of our old bandmate Peter Bardens. In May, Pete had a tumour successfully removed from his brain. He bounced back from this surgery very well. But recently, Pete was diagnosed with lung cancer and has since undergone still more surgery. Pete has now been released from hospital and Andrew continues to speak with him frequently. Our thoughts are with Pete and we hope you will keep him in your hearts as we wish him a speedy recovery. If you want to send a message of support and good wishes, you can contact Pete at: petebardens@y... From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' Date: Sun Jul 29, 2001 7:12 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze Live 1983 I also attended the Catford concert in April of 1983 and still have the paper notes I wrote after the concert had finished. I agree it was a super gig. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Walsh [mailto:tony.walsh@c...] Sent: 25 July 2001 22:05 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: ks live osnabrueck 'Armin Theissen wrote on 20/7/01 9:09: I should have concentrated that effort on KS. I saw him and Rainer Bloss two times around 83, and that was really kick ass!' Indeed! I saw them on the Audentity tour in Catford, London in 1983 and this still rates as one of the best gigs I've ever been to. T. From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 3:25 pm Subject: TD Live SBE Video Clip Hi all, what a great Video Clip from a part of the SBE Concert London 2001 , download now. And then played in 16:9 Format via Real player, very good Quality. www.tangerinedream.de/Movies/ Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28041 Re: TD Live SBE Video Clip Joe Shoults Mon 7/30/2001 2 KB 28044 Re: TD Live SBE Video Clip Julannparc@a... Mon 7/30/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 5:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The so-called end of TD The other way to look at it is that Jive, who were having considerable success in pop and dance music, spent two years researching the possibility of promoting the electronic music field, saved TD from a deal with Virgin which they were desperate to escape, brought Mark Shreeve from obscurity to a career which has supported him ever since, took a chance on promoting Spanish electronic musician Michel Huygen in the UK, spent money on studio time, engineers and programmers to remix TD tracks so they sounded as commercially appealing as possible, and invested several thousand pounds on advertising (even if you only saw one advert). In return, they almost certainly didn't get their investment back on TD, seeing them go after a couple of years to Private Music (who TD are still bitching about in their sleeve notes a decade later), and probably came to the conclusion (alongside Polydor with their Theta label which featured Johannes Schmoelling, and EMI with their MMC label) that electronic music, and electronic artists, were just not able to offer the public sales appeal which major label economics demand. So it may well be that Edgar hates major labels, but there's also a good deal of evidence to show that major labels hate Edgar :-) Joe Shoults wrote: > no wonder Ed seems to hate the major labels. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...] > - snip lots of examples of poor promotion - > > like it or not, it was a commercial album - and it only received a > > half page press advert, sharing prominance in a half page ad with > > Mark Shreeve's 'Legion' album (Mark was perhaps just as peeved as > > well). This would be the last time I would see Jive Electro - the > > band's label at the time - advertise the group. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 6:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD Live SBE Video Clip very nice, but holy cow! since when did Jerome plump out like a balloon!? (also- I saw their fingers move!) > -----Original Message----- > From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... [mailto:NEUMANN.H-J@t...] > Hi all, > > what a great Video Clip from a part of the SBE Concert London > 2001 , download now. And then played in 16:9 Format via Real > player, very good Quality. > www.tangerinedream.de/Movies/ > From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: Re: Dreamwatchers tale - > > > > Hi Matthew my mate and I are also in agreement that Dysfunction is the strongest track on Dreamwatchers,I dont know if you have ever released any music perhaps you could ,great stuff. Cheers Gary Ps.if Jeff Bergman still on this list,also like your track. > > > > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28066 Re: Dreamwatchers tale Matthew Stringer Wed 8/1/2001 3 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 2:25 am Subject: Ricochet adverts I am lucky enough to have in my possession those exact cartoons Roger, thanks in part to TD fan Andy King. So, yes, even though some of us might not remember these adverts from when they first appeared, some of us Brits are certainly aware of them now. The caricatures of EF, CF, and PB bursting through the brick wall are a scream. Might even have brought a smile to Edgar's face! - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Hartopp To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 1:00 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: The so-called end of TD > Okay, so here's a few thoughts as regards TD's possible end. > > I remember back about 1975 when TD was first brought to my attention > - not through hearing the music, funnily enough, but some advertising > that was running in the British music press at the time. They were > cartoons drawn by British cartoonist McLachlan, and the first was > what looked like a football fan looking at a wall with the graffiti > 'Tangerine Dream Rules' - and then, on a double page centre spread, > the group (cartoon caricatures) burst through the wall (do any Brits > remember this?). Soon after that I got 'Ricochet' from the local > library and taped it, and as yet I hadn't really 'clicked' with their > music. I was still getting excited with collecting the back catalogue > of Pink Floyd after I purchased 'Wish You Were Here'. > > Then in 1976, for perhaps the only time ever in their history, TD was > played on daytime Radio 1! It was in fact Simon Bates that played the > single version on 'Monolight'. I remember it not sounding the way I > had expected it. As it turned out, this single was only released to > fulfil a Virgin contract. > > But it wasn't until 1978 when I finally spent some of my own hard > earned cash on an TD album (would you believe it was 'Cyclone'?). > This was through hearing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' on Alan Freeman's > Saturday show on Radio 1. > > That was it. I was hooked. After that, I started to collect all the > earlier albums over the next twelve months, and was suitably bowled > over with 'Force Majeure' (although I still cannot get into the last > eight minutes or so of 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks'). As I also regularly > checked the charts on Friday, I noticed that the album entered the > Top 30 used by Radio 1 and, therefore, qualified for airplay on the > album chart run-down as hosted by Johnnie Walker on Thursdays. > BUGGER! It was Friday! So now I would never know what was played. > > Alan Freeman eventually made way for Tommy Vance's 'Friday Rock > Show', but the band still received airplay on that programme - as > regards their next releases, the opening bars of 'Tangram Set 2' were > played, along with 'Igneous' from 'Thief', Then, shortly after buying > 'Thief', I heard a new track on the Rock Show which was suitably > jaunty and was then told it was Tangerine Dream's new single! (The > track, was of course, 'Choronzon'). It was at this point that I hoped > the single would be a success, so the band could finally be heard and > be recognised by many more people - the mainstream public. So I > curtailed my aural activities, sallied forth and infiltrated a place > of purveyance to negotiate the vending of a 17.78cm piece of black > vinyl. Not a piece. Eventually I discovered it in the local covered > market - not in a bright, full colour sleeve but in a standard green > and red Virgin paper sleeve. No press advertising, no more airplay, > inadequate distribution, so subsequently the single never sold. This > was a sign of things to come. > > Back to the 'Friday Rock Show', and 'Pilots of Purple Twilight' from > 'Exit' gets played. However, favourable press advertising from the > band's label, Virgin, started to diminish somewhat. In the past, the > label would post full page advertising in the British music press for > three successive weeks, and 'Force Majeure' was the last to receive > that (its success, of course, was no doubt helped that it was the > first album to be pressed in clear vinyl). The next advertising I > noticed would then be for 'Exit', which was slimmed down to half a > column page for one week, although I believe it ran for two weeks in > 'Melody Maker' after the paper delivered a very favourable review to > the album, and a quote was suitably included. > > The next - and last time I heard TD on national radio was 'Poland' on > Tommy Vance's programme, and the track played was the last few > minutes of 'Barbakane' (essentially 'Warsaw in the Sun, and a few > minutes which was subsequently left off the Essential re-release). > Prior to this of course, was the closest the band would come to a hit > single. 'Warsaw in the Sun' - which was pressed as a 7', 12' and 7' > coloured vinyl - would eventually reach about number 86 in the > singles chart. But where was the advertising? > > Then came the TV series 'Streethawk' - and a subsequent single. > Surely this should be it for the band? Mainstream fame at last! Nope. > The single was a radically remixed version and was considerably > poorer and less commercial (although to be fair to the band, I think > this had more to do with politics with the TV company concerned). > Although released in a pretty attractive 12' picture sleeve, again, > as far as I can make out, no press advertising and no airplay > (although the latter I wasn't surprised at). 'Le Parc' was released - > like it or not, it was a commercial album - and it only received a > half page press advert, sharing prominance in a half page ad with > Mark Shreeve's 'Legion' album (Mark was perhaps just as peeved as > well). This would be the last time I would see Jive Electro - the > band's label at the time - advertise the group. > > Two years later, 'Tyger' the single was released. For me, this had > the most potential as a hit single, and was suitably far removed from > the band's normal music so as not to alienate the mainstream. What > actually happened? A limited number of copies were released in a > plain blue Jive sleeve. That was the last throw of the dice as far as > the band was concerned, and IMO, a contributing factor to Chris's > departure. > > The point I'm trying to make? In that period I really wanted TD to be > successful and not just remain a 'cult' band. Their music was good > enough, and in some cases, commercial enough. Now, unfortunately, > there is no chance of that. It is also fair to say that press > advertising and airplay is considerably important for sales (that's > how the band was brought to my attention - I was still too young to > appreciate the fact that John Peel was playing them and I didn't > listen to him at the time), but, save for specialist programmes > broadcast at unearthly hours, that doesn't happen. Their fan base is > shrinking all the time, and I don't think any major label would take > them on any more. This makes me very very sad as the band have > contributed so much to music technology and electronic music as a > whole. It would be a great pity for them to fold now. But who is to > blame? Is it Edgar's stubbornness? Is it the record labels in the > past who failed to back up their albums with suitable promotion? Is > it simply because the band are incredibly difficult to categorise? > Perhaps we'll never know until we finally get the official story from > the man himself. (And I would volunteer to write the book if the man > would let me do so!) > > I really don't want the band to fold with a whimper. But, as things > stand now, it looks like it'll be the case. Maybe the fan base is > still big enough for them to continue on for a bit longer, but those > great days have gone and will never come back. > > -Roger Hartopp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28045 Re: Ricochet adverts Joe Shoults Mon 7/30/2001 10 KB 28048 Re: Ricochet adverts Matthew Stringer Tue 7/31/2001 2 KB 28059 Re: Ricochet adverts Joe Shoults Tue 7/31/2001 2 KB From: Julannparc@a... Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Live SBE Video Clip Yes,very nice indeed. How about an official release then chaps AT tdi. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 7:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Ricochet adverts scan them and send them to me and I'll post them on tadream.net. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Owen [mailto:chris@o...] > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 10:26 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Ricochet adverts > > > I am lucky enough to have in my possession those exact cartoons Roger, > thanks in part to TD fan Andy King. So, yes, even though some > of us might > not remember these adverts from when they first appeared, > some of us Brits > are certainly aware of them now. The caricatures of EF, CF, > and PB bursting > through the brick wall are a scream. Might even have brought > a smile to > Edgar's face! > > - Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Hartopp > To: > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 1:00 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: The so-called end of TD > > > > Okay, so here's a few thoughts as regards TD's possible end. > > > > I remember back about 1975 when TD was first brought to my attention > > - not through hearing the music, funnily enough, but some > advertising > > that was running in the British music press at the time. They were > > cartoons drawn by British cartoonist McLachlan, and the first was > > what looked like a football fan looking at a wall with the graffiti > > 'Tangerine Dream Rules' - and then, on a double page centre spread, > > the group (cartoon caricatures) burst through the wall (do any Brits > > remember this?). Soon after that I got 'Ricochet' from the local > > library and taped it, and as yet I hadn't really 'clicked' > with their > > music. I was still getting excited with collecting the back > catalogue > > of Pink Floyd after I purchased 'Wish You Were Here'. > > > > Then in 1976, for perhaps the only time ever in their > history, TD was > > played on daytime Radio 1! It was in fact Simon Bates that > played the > > single version on 'Monolight'. I remember it not sounding the way I > > had expected it. As it turned out, this single was only released to > > fulfil a Virgin contract. > > > > But it wasn't until 1978 when I finally spent some of my own hard > > earned cash on an TD album (would you believe it was 'Cyclone'?). > > This was through hearing 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' on Alan Freeman's > > Saturday show on Radio 1. > > > > That was it. I was hooked. After that, I started to collect all the > > earlier albums over the next twelve months, and was suitably bowled > > over with 'Force Majeure' (although I still cannot get into the last > > eight minutes or so of 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks'). As I also > regularly > > checked the charts on Friday, I noticed that the album entered the > > Top 30 used by Radio 1 and, therefore, qualified for airplay on the > > album chart run-down as hosted by Johnnie Walker on Thursdays. > > BUGGER! It was Friday! So now I would never know what was played. > > > > Alan Freeman eventually made way for Tommy Vance's 'Friday Rock > > Show', but the band still received airplay on that programme - as > > regards their next releases, the opening bars of 'Tangram > Set 2' were > > played, along with 'Igneous' from 'Thief', Then, shortly > after buying > > 'Thief', I heard a new track on the Rock Show which was suitably > > jaunty and was then told it was Tangerine Dream's new single! (The > > track, was of course, 'Choronzon'). It was at this point > that I hoped > > the single would be a success, so the band could finally be > heard and > > be recognised by many more people - the mainstream public. So I > > curtailed my aural activities, sallied forth and infiltrated a place > > of purveyance to negotiate the vending of a 17.78cm piece of black > > vinyl. Not a piece. Eventually I discovered it in the local covered > > market - not in a bright, full colour sleeve but in a standard green > > and red Virgin paper sleeve. No press advertising, no more airplay, > > inadequate distribution, so subsequently the single never sold. This > > was a sign of things to come. > > > > Back to the 'Friday Rock Show', and 'Pilots of Purple Twilight' from > > 'Exit' gets played. However, favourable press advertising from the > > band's label, Virgin, started to diminish somewhat. In the past, the > > label would post full page advertising in the British music > press for > > three successive weeks, and 'Force Majeure' was the last to receive > > that (its success, of course, was no doubt helped that it was the > > first album to be pressed in clear vinyl). The next advertising I > > noticed would then be for 'Exit', which was slimmed down to half a > > column page for one week, although I believe it ran for two weeks in > > 'Melody Maker' after the paper delivered a very favourable review to > > the album, and a quote was suitably included. > > > > The next - and last time I heard TD on national radio was > 'Poland' on > > Tommy Vance's programme, and the track played was the last few > > minutes of 'Barbakane' (essentially 'Warsaw in the Sun, and a few > > minutes which was subsequently left off the Essential re-release). > > Prior to this of course, was the closest the band would > come to a hit > > single. 'Warsaw in the Sun' - which was pressed as a 7', 12' and 7' > > coloured vinyl - would eventually reach about number 86 in the > > singles chart. But where was the advertising? > > > > Then came the TV series 'Streethawk' - and a subsequent single. > > Surely this should be it for the band? Mainstream fame at > last! Nope. > > The single was a radically remixed version and was considerably > > poorer and less commercial (although to be fair to the band, I think > > this had more to do with politics with the TV company concerned). > > Although released in a pretty attractive 12' picture sleeve, again, > > as far as I can make out, no press advertising and no airplay > > (although the latter I wasn't surprised at). 'Le Parc' was > released - > > like it or not, it was a commercial album - and it only received a > > half page press advert, sharing prominance in a half page ad with > > Mark Shreeve's 'Legion' album (Mark was perhaps just as peeved as > > well). This would be the last time I would see Jive Electro - the > > band's label at the time - advertise the group. > > > > Two years later, 'Tyger' the single was released. For me, this had > > the most potential as a hit single, and was suitably far > removed from > > the band's normal music so as not to alienate the mainstream. What > > actually happened? A limited number of copies were released in a > > plain blue Jive sleeve. That was the last throw of the dice > as far as > > the band was concerned, and IMO, a contributing factor to Chris's > > departure. > > > > The point I'm trying to make? In that period I really > wanted TD to be > > successful and not just remain a 'cult' band. Their music was good > > enough, and in some cases, commercial enough. Now, unfortunately, > > there is no chance of that. It is also fair to say that press > > advertising and airplay is considerably important for sales (that's > > how the band was brought to my attention - I was still too young to > > appreciate the fact that John Peel was playing them and I didn't > > listen to him at the time), but, save for specialist programmes > > broadcast at unearthly hours, that doesn't happen. Their fan base is > > shrinking all the time, and I don't think any major label would take > > them on any more. This makes me very very sad as the band have > > contributed so much to music technology and electronic music as a > > whole. It would be a great pity for them to fold now. But who is to > > blame? Is it Edgar's stubbornness? Is it the record labels in the > > past who failed to back up their albums with suitable promotion? Is > > it simply because the band are incredibly difficult to categorise? > > Perhaps we'll never know until we finally get the official > story from > > the man himself. (And I would volunteer to write the book if the man > > would let me do so!) > > > > I really don't want the band to fold with a whimper. But, as things > > stand now, it looks like it'll be the case. Maybe the fan base is > > still big enough for them to continue on for a bit longer, but those > > great days have gone and will never come back. > > > > -Roger Hartopp > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 11:55 pm Subject: CD NOW discount coupon Hi all. CD Now is listing a new discount coupon: 5 dollars off, minimum purchase 19.99, expires august 13. The link is: http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-3836499 -- MIGUEL FARAH miguel@n... From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 8:37 am Subject: Re : [tadream] A question about a 2 Cd set Hi, The only 2 CD compilation that was released in 1995 that I'm aware of is 'Book of Dreams', but it certainly doesn't have a blue and white cover. Have a look at this link, is this what you saw? http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/book.html Paul ---------- >De : '??? ????' >Ŕ : 'TaDreamList' >Objet : [tadream] A question about a 2 Cd set >Date : Sam 28 juil 2001 23:43 > > hey all, had a big question about a 2 Cd set I saw in a local MALL SHOP the > other day. The cost was about 20 bucks, and it had a cool cover and stuff > on it, BUT unfortunately, I DO NOT recall the exact title of the Cd. It was > a 2 Cd set, and it was released in 1995. It looked like a collection of > songs possibly from another 'best of' or compilation hits thing? > > Any idea? I'm assuming I MIGHT find this on the discography, but I don't > happen to actually own this Cd set, and was going to pick it up unless it's > a variety of other songs from different Cds of past years? > > There were about 25 or 26 songs on the two Cd set, the cover was blue and > white with a cool looking picture on it, but I don't (SIGH) recall the > exact title. I know TD has released some differet sets containing various > songs from other releases, that's why I was asking, to prevent from buying > something I might already own in different compilations. > > Also wanted to make another remark about NON TD. I'd mentioned (and gotten > some really good responses) about TONY CAREY. I'm an absolutely huge fan, > and believe I now own EVERY RELEASE he's never issued. It's mostly 80's > instrumental releases, NO vocals whatsoever, but if you listen to about 80% > of his early releases prior to his pop AOR releases of the 80's and 90's, > it's almost like he was LISTENING To Tangerine Dream before working on his > material. The similarities are so close it's scary, very 'new age' and all > keyboard/synth sounding. Just thought I'd mention it, as it's GREAT STUFF, > and if anyone is ever interested in swapping for copies of this stuff, I'd > always love to increase my TD collection. > > thanks. peace. > > dan > > P.S. ANY IDEA when more US TOUR DATES are going to be released? I've been > patiently waiting for anything closer to Michigan, and if not, no worries, > I'll travel farther up if I have to! > > > > Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! > http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com > http://christianrockpage.musicpage.com > Visit TheTradingCircle - Found Here! > http://www.yahoogroups.com > Contact me: AOL IM (winnietiggerfan) or MSN Messenger > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28061 Re: Re : [tadream] A question about a 2 Cd set Jim Moore Tue 7/31/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 8:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet adverts On Tuesday 31 July 2001 3:25 am, Chris Owen wrote: > I am lucky enough to have in my possession those exact cartoons Roger, > thanks in part to TD fan Andy King. So, yes, even though some of us might > not remember these adverts from when they first appeared, some of us Brits > are certainly aware of them now. The caricatures of EF, CF, and PB bursting > through the brick wall are a scream. Might even have brought a smile to > Edgar's face! > Okay, any chance of a scan being put up for us to look at? Matt From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 10:14 am Subject: 2 pics Hi Gang, I found two very cool pictures of Chris Franke and Edgar Froese, have a look at: http://www.virginrecords.com/story/storyp34.html Heiko From: 'Colin Anderson' Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 11:14 am Subject: Re: The so-called end of TD >>>> From: 'Roger Hartopp' Subject: Re: The so-called end of TD Alan Freeman eventually made way for Tommy Vance's 'Friday Rock Show', but the band still received airplay on that programme - as regards their next releases, the opening bars of 'Tangram Set 2' were played, along with 'Igneous' from 'Thief', Then, shortly after buying 'Thief', I heard a new track on the Rock Show which was suitably jaunty and was then told it was Tangerine Dream's new single! (The track, was of course, 'Choronzon'). It was at this point that I hoped the single would be a success, so the band could finally be heard and be recognised by many more people - the mainstream public. So I curtailed my aural activities, sallied forth and infiltrated a place of purveyance to negotiate the vending of a 17.78cm piece of black vinyl. Not a piece. Eventually I discovered it in the local covered market - not in a bright, full colour sleeve but in a standard green and red Virgin paper sleeve. No press advertising, no more airplay, inadequate distribution, so subsequently the single never sold. This was a sign of things to come. >>> Roger, you've hit this right on the head. I got well and truly slagged-off by my pals - who were into Pink Floyd, Led Zep and that sort of thing - when I clicked with TD. I really copped it when I raved about Force Majeure and Thief as all my pals thought that these lps were crap. We were all round my place listening to the Friday Rock Show when Choronzon came on - none of us knew who or what it was - and as it was playing, I remember a good few of us saying that it was a terrific track. When Tommy Vance announced it was the new single from Tangerine Dream, eyebrows were raised and those same critical blokes that gave me a hard time were asking to borrow Thief. The point of this? You're right. Not enough was made - by TD and Virgin - to promote and develop the upbeat and new sound that was Choronzon. Yeah, it was commercial, but they missed a big chance to get rid of the old farty reputation and draw-in a new, interested audience. They missed that one chance again when DM1 was released back in 95, so it should be no surprise that a tour these days is planned around small venues and 'Tangerine Who' is what they're know as. It's a shame it's come to this. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28052 Tommy Vance! glynn_naughton@h... Tue 7/31/2001 2 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 12:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The so-called end of TD The term 'small venue' is in itself relative. I'm sure TD have packed out venues much bigger than the Shepherd's Bush Empire before, so it may be a step downwards. But when I returned to the Bush earlier this month to see They Might Be Giants, they kept mentioning how impressed they were to come to England to play in front of such a large crowd. Playing the Empire is, therefore, hardly any indication of the 'end' of the group. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Colin Anderson' To: Sent: 31 July 2001 12:14 Subject: [tadream] Re: The so-called end of TD > The point of this? You're right. Not enough was made - by TD and Virgin - to promote and develop the upbeat and new sound that was Choronzon. Yeah, it was commercial, but they missed a big chance to get rid of the old farty reputation and draw-in a new, interested audience. They missed that one chance again when DM1 was released back in 95, so it should be no surprise that a tour these days is planned around small venues and 'Tangerine Who' is what they're know as. It's a shame it's come to this. From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 1:21 pm Subject: Tommy Vance! Ah, good old Tommy Vance. He was nailed by Chris Morris for the episode of _Brass Eye_ about crime and recited this drivel in all seriousness: >TV: 'Now while you're inside here you're going to have to learn a >whole new language. It's not French, it's prison slang and I've got >some of it written here so it might help you. 'Howard's Arse' means >prison. 'One nil at half time' means food.' Wongey coconuts' means >air breaks. 'Gazza' is a 'gas coin', used as currency for >cigarettes. 'Plank sanction', a one-for-one fag exchange. 'Sue my >chin' - give us a fag: I'll give you two next week. 'Buff my pylon' - >give us a fag, you owe me two, so I'm letting you off the other >one.' Don't buff my pylon' - switch over the telly. And er, very, >very important this one, 'Portillo' means 'look out behind you'. >Learn the language, better communication.' Glynn 'Headmaster suspended for using big-faced boy as satellite dish' --headline from _The Day Today_ From: 'Steven' Date: Mon Jul 30, 2001 2:08 pm Subject: Traumzeit CD (Lurk mode OFF) Hi. All, Could anyone tell me about Traumzeit CD and the track lists ? Thks. Steven Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28058 Re: Traumzeit CD Matthew Sawyer Tue 7/31/2001 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 2:01 am Subject: Legend Lineup [moderator's note: the subject of this message was changed from 'Re: [tadream] Digest Number 973'. Please change the subject line when replying to Digests. thank you.] Scott Plumer is wrong. Paul's first album with TD was Underwater Sunlight in Spring of 1986; Legend was released towards the end of January and was Johannes' last work with TD. Wes In a message dated 7/28/2001 11:36:23 PM Central Daylight Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 17:02:58 +0100 > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' > Subject: Legend > > And another question... > > What _was_ the band line-up for 'Legend'? Paul Stump's book says it was > Froese/Franke/Schmoelling, and Scott Plumer's says it was > Froese/Franke/Haslinger. Who is right? > > Dennis > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 2:30 am Subject: knobs vs. patches [moderator's note: the subject of this message was changed from 'Re: [tadream] Digest Number 975'. Please change the subject line when replying to Digests. thank you.] The plug-ins themselves should be no excuse for being less creative... they are basically virtual computer models of the original with similar capabilities. There are even software packages out there (Reaktor) that let you not only design your own sounds, but your own synths from the ground up. So, literally, anything at all is possible sound-wise. As you say, the mass of pre-programmed sounds makes it easy for people to be 'lazy' if you will. [I think TD may have Reactor because I hear a few 'signature' sounds on DM3. Who knows for sure though? BTW, when Bjork did here 'swan' thing at the Oscars, other than the orchestra, the synths were Reaktor running on a laptop.] When I was in college I took an electronic music course and learned synthesis on a Moog modular and ARP 2600. Back then, everything was hooked together with cables like an old telephone switchboard, and if you didn't know the basics of sound design it was very likely that you wouldn't be able to get a sound out of the thing at all! The early keyboard synths like the Minimoog, etc. were hardwired, but at least they still had knobs to tweak, and you couldn't save 'patches.' The downhill slide began I guess when you could save 'patches' into memory. During the nineties it really got ugly as synth makers dropped costly knobs and did everything with multi-page (read headache) displays. Without the knobs there to reach out and tweak, it was really difficult to design sounds intuitively and so I guess a lot of people started using sounds that you could just buy. I wonder if things will change now that knobs and 'analog' are really hot again in terms of the synth market. Seems like right now everyone is looking for 'vintage' in everything, including synth sounds, optical compressors (e.g. like the kind that the Beatles used to get those long, swelling cymbal sounds), and tubes are everywhere you look. All of which is to say, I guess, that maybe things are looking up. Wes n a message dated 7/30/2001 2:52:47 AM Central Daylight Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > I agree with you that this is partially borne out in Mars Polaris, which > does sound fresher from a sonic perspective than much of the 1988-97 stuff. > But I also remember many on this list being disappointed at the relatively > modest scope of new sounds and the persistence of some of the familiar > ones. I put it down to the mass of pre-programmed sounds on the market > these days. In the seventies, when synthesisers were first used by TD and > others, it was quite easy to develop fresh-sounding, novel sounds because > there weren't a lot of them around, let alone pre-programmed into the > instruments. Today, instruments come with hundreds of pre-programmed sounds > often so sophisticated that it becomes difficult to edit them and end up > with something that sounds good as well as new. > > Note that, not only in TD's sleeve notes, musicians no longer play > 'synthesisers' but just 'keyboards'. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 2:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 975 [moderator's note: the subject of this message was changed from 'Re: [tadream] Digest Number 975'. Please change the subject line when replying to Digests. thank you.] The problem is maybe too much computer control? This is a big debate among musicians I know. In Cubase, for example, which TD uses... you can play in a bass line (for example), then you can take an audio drum loop, copy the 'groove' and apply it to the bass line. Like magic, all of a sudden your bass is perfectly lined up with the audio and it sounds like you have an awesome bass player. Not to mention quantizing (e.g. when the computer takes the notes that you played and shifts them to line up on time). Now, I don't know how TD may use this functionality, but what I'm saying, is that it's easy to do all sorts of stuff to the notes and also very easy to wind up with something that eventually just sounds very 'dead, e.g. you can kill the struggle/human element. ...and you can do a lot of this with 'real instruments too' like take a singer who doesn't sing on key and make them sing in a different key, or maybe try and make a female sound like a male and vice versa. This can lead to interesting discussions as to where as a musician one draws the line... Wes In a message dated 7/30/2001 2:52:47 AM Central Daylight Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > I don't mind the new 'digital' sounds or the plug-ins or virtual > analogs, they can sound great but it's the 'struggle'/human element > that is missing for me (all imo). > Maybe the Froeses have evolved and can play like computers at the > exact measures etc...only I don't believe it. > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 3:04 pm Subject: oops! RE: [tadream] Digest Number 975 oops! haha > -----Original Message----- > From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 10:42 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 975 > > > [moderator's note: the subject of this message was changed > from 'Re: [tadream] Digest Number 975'. Please change the > subject line when replying to Digests. thank you.] > > From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 2:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Traumzeit CD ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Steven' To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:08 PM Subject: [tadream] Traumzeit CD > (Lurk mode OFF) > > Hi. All, > > Could anyone tell me about Traumzeit CD and the track lists ? http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdblist1.htm#TRAUMZEIT Maff ________________________ http://www.mst3uk.com/ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 3:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Ricochet adverts the image is available at http://www.tadream.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...] ... > > are certainly aware of them now. The caricatures of EF, CF, > and PB bursting > > through the brick wall are a scream. Might even have ... > Okay, any chance of a scan being put up for us to look at? . From: 'Erik Sanborn' Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 5:21 pm Subject: Re: The so-called end of TD (satirized for your protection) > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:00:56 -0000 > From: 'Roger Hartopp' (large snip of an interesting post) >It was at this point that I hoped >the single would be a success, so the band could finally be heard and >be recognised by many more people - the mainstream public. So I >curtailed my aural activities, sallied forth and infiltrated a place >of purveyance to negotiate the vending of a 17.78cm piece of black >vinyl. 'Come again?' 'I want to buy some cheese.' 'Oh, I thought you were complaining about the recent TD releases.' 'No, no, no. I'm one who delights in all manifestations of the e-music muse.' 'Sorry?' 'I like nice dance tune!' (apologies to Monty Python) ;-) From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 10:18 pm Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] A question about a 2 Cd set >From: Paul Fellows [mailto:pfellows@c...] >The only 2 CD compilation that was released in 1995 that I'm aware of is >'Book of Dreams', but it certainly doesn't have a blue and white cover. >Have a look at this link, is this what you saw? >--------- >>De : '??? ????' >> hey all, had a big question about a 2 Cd set I saw in a local MALL SHOP the >> other day. The cost was about 20 bucks, and it had a cool cover and stuff >> on it, BUT unfortunately, I DO NOT recall the exact title of the Cd. It was >> a 2 Cd set, and it was released in 1995. It looked like a collection of >> songs possibly from another 'best of' or compilation hits thing? Could it be 'Story of Tangerine Dream'? - jim From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 10:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] News about www.opticaldream.de Speaking of Franke -- does anyone know where to get a copy of 'The Calling' soundtrack? - jim -----Original Message----- From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... [mailto:NEUMANN.H-J@t...] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 2:19 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] News about www.opticaldream.de Hi all, here 3 News about my TD Fan Homepage: www.opticaldream.de - NEW: ICQ Member: 124363478 - NEW: Webring member - Logo add to my Homepage - NEW: 26.07.01 short update: Michael Hoenig CD`s and Chris Franke CD Regards heiko (Mr. Optical - greetings to the other Heiko H. Mr. Webring Master) www.opticaldream.de BTW: Vacation from: 04.08.01 to 20.08.01 !!! I cant answer at this time to all incoming emails. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28063 Re: News about www.opticaldream.de Michael A Jean Tue 7/31/2001 4 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Aug 1, 2001 12:49 am Subject: RE: [tadream] News about www.opticaldream.de The only place I have seen it is Amazon in Germany... > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Moore [mailto:moxica@m...] > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 5:18 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] News about www.opticaldream.de > > > Speaking of Franke -- does anyone know where to get a copy of > 'The Calling' > soundtrack? > > - jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... [mailto:NEUMANN.H-J@t...] > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 2:19 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] News about www.opticaldream.de > > > Hi all, > > here 3 News about my TD Fan Homepage: www.opticaldream.de > > - NEW: ICQ Member: 124363478 > > - NEW: Webring member - Logo add to my Homepage > > - NEW: 26.07.01 short update: Michael Hoenig CD`s and Chris Franke CD > > Regards > heiko (Mr. Optical - greetings to the other Heiko H. Mr. Webring Master) > www.opticaldream.de > BTW: Vacation from: 04.08.01 to 20.08.01 !!! I cant answer at this time to > all incoming emails. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: '??? ????' Date: Wed Aug 1, 2001 1:33 am Subject: 2 Cd set of 1995 Hey all, wanted to post a comment about the 2 CD set from the 95 era. The Cd set was actually Book of Dreams. THANKS A TON for all the help with this, it's always appreciated how generous everyone here is with all their help. I DID see a reference inside the liners mentioning that most of the material was previously released on a various collection of cds entitled 'The pink years', and this is yet another one I have not included in my collection (as I'd mentioned in the past, I have gotten into the music of TD only in the last 4-5 years, and am slowly picking up EVERY Cd I can find. Even if I don't know a single piece of material on the Cd, the name Tangerine Dream does it for me, so I buy it. As of yet, I have NOT gotten one Cd from TD that was less than brilliant. I love 'em all! thanks again. Any help (again) on the Pink Years would be appreciated too :0 dan Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockpage.musicpage.com Visit TheTradingCircle - Found Here! http://www.yahoogroups.com Contact me: AOL IM (winnietiggerfan) or MSN Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28065 Re: 2 Cd set of 1995 Feldon Feldon Wed 8/1/2001 3 KB 28068 Re: 2 Cd set of 1995 Felna Greymane Wed 8/1/2001 3 KB 28070 Re: 2 Cd set of 1995 Sean Montgomery Wed 8/1/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Wed Aug 1, 2001 3:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 2 Cd set of 1995 Dan, If you are collecting the individual Tangerine Dream albums, then you don't need Book of Dreams, Pink Years, Blue Years or most of the other compilations. Tangents and Dream Roots are each 5 disc boxes with 4 discs of bits over the years (with some new samplings and stuff dribbled on top--much to the chagrin of some purists), and a 5th disc containing entirely new material. -Morgan At 09:33 PM 7/31/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Hey all, wanted to post a comment about the 2 CD set from the 95 era. The Cd set was actually Book of Dreams. THANKS A TON for all the help with this, it's always appreciated how generous everyone here is with all their help. > >I DID see a reference inside the liners mentioning that most of the material was previously released on a various collection of cds entitled 'The pink years', and this is yet another one I have not included in my collection (as I'd mentioned in the past, I have gotten into the music of TD only in the last 4-5 years, and am slowly picking up EVERY Cd I can find. Even if I don't know a single piece of material on the Cd, the name Tangerine Dream does it for me, so I buy it. > >As of yet, I have NOT gotten one Cd from TD that was less than brilliant. I love 'em all! > >thanks again. Any help (again) on the Pink Years would be appreciated too :0 > >dan > > > >Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! >http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com >http://christianrockpage.musicpage.com >Visit TheTradingCircle - Found Here! >http://www.yahoogroups.com >Contact me: AOL IM (winnietiggerfan) or MSN Messenger > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: Matthew Stringer Date: Wed Aug 1, 2001 8:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers tale On Monday 30 July 2001 7:15 pm, you wrote: This has done wonders for my ego ;) No we've never released anything or gigged, everything we ever did was done at home, would love to though. There will be a DC track submitted to DWT2, should be better than Dysfunction. I've also recently aquired my own webserver so have a look at www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk soon. Cheers Matt > - > > > > Hi Matthew my mate and I are also in agreement that Dysfunction > > is the strongest track on Dreamwatchers,I dont know if you have ever > released any music perhaps you could ,great stuff. > Cheers Gary > Ps.if Jeff Bergman still on this list,also like your track. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Feldon Feldon Date: Wed Aug 1, 2001 8:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers tale I agree, Dysfunction is a very intriguing track, one of the strongest on the set. I have to ask. Dysfunction seems to cover an awful lot of ground, musically, in a short duration. Is this your normal composition style or was this track specifically for DT? -Morgan At 09:13 AM 8/1/2001 +0100, you wrote: >On Monday 30 July 2001 7:15 pm, you wrote: > >This has done wonders for my ego ;) > >No we've never released anything or gigged, everything we ever did was done >at home, would love to though. > >There will be a DC track submitted to DWT2, should be better than Dysfunction. > >I've also recently aquired my own webserver so have a look at >www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk soon. > >Cheers > >Matt > From: Felna Greymane Date: Wed Aug 1, 2001 6:06 pm Subject: Re: 2 Cd set of 1995 Speaking of which...I was just re-listening to the Dream Roots set last week and reheard for the first time (if that makes sense) 'Valley of the Sun' from disc 5. I was really struck by this piece. I have no idea how I have missed it before as I've listened to the set several times but this time it really sank in. Does anyone know what disc this would most likely have originally been for? More importantly, are there any live versions of it out there? >Dan, > >If you are collecting the individual Tangerine Dream albums, then you don't >need Book of Dreams, Pink Years, Blue Years or most of the other >compilations. Tangents and Dream Roots are each 5 disc boxes with 4 discs >of bits over the years (with some new samplings and stuff dribbled on >top--much to the chagrin of some purists), and a 5th disc containing >entirely new material. > >-Morgan Jeff Stevenson greymane@k... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: Matthew Stringer Date: Wed Aug 1, 2001 6:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dreamwatchers tale This is quite typical for DC when we play live, Dysfunction was a live improv without any post production work done to it. Our solo stuff is quiet different which is probably why there is a lot of variation to the music when we come together. I think it's important to have a resonable amount going on to keep things interesting. If anyone would like to know more about Dream Conspiracy or would like to hear more please feel free to contact me, probably better off list. Kind regards matt@d... > I agree, Dysfunction is a very intriguing track, one of the strongest on > the set. I have to ask. Dysfunction seems to cover an awful lot of ground, > musically, in a short duration. Is this your normal composition style or > was this track specifically for DT? > > -Morgan > > At 09:13 AM 8/1/2001 +0100, you wrote: > >On Monday 30 July 2001 7:15 pm, you wrote: > > > >This has done wonders for my ego ;) > > > >No we've never released anything or gigged, everything we ever did was > > done at home, would love to though. > > > >There will be a DC track submitted to DWT2, should be better than > > Dysfunction. > > >I've also recently aquired my own webserver so have a look at > >www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk soon. > > > >Cheers > > > >Matt > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Aug 1, 2001 7:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 2 Cd set of 1995 Felna Greymane wrote: > Speaking of which...I was just re-listening to the Dream Roots set last > week and reheard for the first time (if that makes sense) 'Valley of the > Sun' from disc 5....Does anyone know what disc this would most likely > have originally been for? My info was that the unreleased music from Disc 5 was composed by Edgar Froese and Chris Franke in late 1985, between the time when Johannes Schmoelling left the band and Paul Haslinger joined. Thus, it would have been destined for Underwater Sunlight (and I think Valley of the Sun should have been included on it). -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Wed Aug 1, 2001 6:09 pm Subject: ot: arcane > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- AWESOME!!! Simply amazing... I gotta check Groove for more Arcane cd's :-) I actually got one Arcane album (Gather Darkness) but I found that kind of boring and stale. Is there any Arcane albums like Alterstill? Alexander Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28073 Re: ot: arcane Frank Arellano Thu 8/2/2001 3 KB 28074 Re: ot: arcane Paul Lawler Thu 8/2/2001 2 KB 28076 Re: ot: arcane Antonio Nunes Thu 8/2/2001 2 KB 28077 Re: ot: arcane Alexander Bjelke Thu 8/2/2001 3 KB 28084 Re: ot: arcane Frank Arellano Thu 8/2/2001 4 KB 28085 Re: ot: arcane scfeldman@j... Thu 8/2/2001 2 KB 28087 Re: ot: arcane Feldon Feldon Thu 8/2/2001 2 KB 28090 Re: ot: arcane Paul Lawler Thu 8/2/2001 3 KB 28103 Re: ot: arcane snowdog747@a... Fri 8/3/2001 2 KB From: 'Coral Rumsey' Date: Wed Aug 1, 2001 11:29 pm Subject: Underwater live Much of side 2 of 'Underwater Sunlight' was played on the March 86 UK tour dates I heard (and sounded much better than the subsequent weedy studio recordings) but did side 1's two long pieces get performed anywhere? ta SF [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28082 Re: Underwater live Owens, James Thu 8/2/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 12:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: arcane Try out 'Future Wreck' ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: [tadream] ot: arcane > > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > > AWESOME!!! Simply amazing... I gotta check Groove for more Arcane cd's :-) I actually got one Arcane album (Gather Darkness) but I found that kind of boring and stale. Is there any Arcane albums like Alterstill? > > Alexander > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 12:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: arcane From: Alexander Bjelke To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 7:09 PM Subject: [tadream] ot: arcane > > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > > AWESOME!!! Simply amazing... I gotta check Groove for more Arcane cd's :-) I actually got one Arcane album (Gather Darkness) but I found that kind of boring and stale. Is there any Arcane albums like Alterstill? > > Alexander > Hi Alexander , Future Wreck is quite similar . Three of the Four tracks have the same 80s TD feel as Alterstill. You can get it from SMD as well . Waddya mean 'kinda boring and stale' ;) Paul From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Aug 1, 2001 11:15 pm Subject: 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks' On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:00:56 -0000 'Roger Hartopp' writes: > [. . .] 'Force Majeure' (although I still cannot get into the last > eight minutes or so of 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks'). Eeek! IMHO, 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks' is one of TD's very finest hours. It makes 'Silver Scale' seem like SEVEN LETTERS TO TIBET by comparison. > -Roger Hartopp Steven Feldman From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: arcane Frank Arellano wrote: > > Try out 'Future Wreck' I second that! There's also a live recording from a Jodrell Bank concert, where 3 tracks of 'Future Wreck' and 2 of 'Alterstill' were played live. It was released on CDR and is part of a 6 CDR set named 'Concerts at Jodrell Bank'. The other 5 CDRs are from AirSculpture, Kubusschnitt, Paul Nagle, RMI and UTD. A great set of live e-music. Antonio From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 2:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: arcane \ > Future Wreck is quite similar . Three of the Four tracks have the same 80s > TD feel as Alterstill. > You can get it from SMD as well . > Waddya mean 'kinda boring and stale' ;) > > > Paul Im very bad at music terminology, but Gather Darkness would be great if there were more 'chords' (I'm not sure I use the right term here, but I absolutly love the latter part of Alerstill 2, those organ-like structures) It has a nice sequencing and stuff, but it always seems to me as if they forgot something... If they had included a organ, flute or a guitar on top it would be a classic :-) Alexander From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 3:26 pm Subject: vinyl lp convention in a few minutes In about 30-45 minutes, I'm going to a vinyl record convention at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum (during my lunch break). Of course, I'll pick up all copies of The Keep ;-P, but anythign else in particular that I should KEEP an eye out for? From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 3:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Sound design -----Original Message----- From: Marcel Engels To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 29, 2001 6:34 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] TD Sound design >But somehow >I can hear them play and struggle with it and thats what I like. >You can even hear Chris struggle with the sequencer to keep it >in tune and finding notes...it's the human element what interests >me. It sounds like everything is 'pinpointed' at the exact measure >nowadays...no bumm notes live, no struggle. >I don't mind the new 'digital' sounds or the plug-ins or virtual >analogs, they can sound great but it's the 'struggle'/human element >that is missing for me (all imo). Then I think you might like the patch I made on my Nord Modular last night. It's a simple one oscillator and one filter voice controlled by an 8 step sequencer. I have step one fixed to the tonic and the next eight steps controlled by the front panel knobs. To make life a little easier, though, I limit the notes possible to D, F, G, A, C with a key quantizer. Of course, I go over the top and have each note randomly panned. Knobs control filter cutoff, filter resonance, and overdrive amount. But playing the knobs (pitches) takes several cycles of the sequencer to dial in a nice pattern. Future development of this patch might include making it transposable from the keyboard, using a Peavey PC1600x's sliders instead of the knobs to control the pitches, and using the PC1600x's buttons to turn individual steps on and off. I wonder if I can control the sequencer length with a knob? Hmmm...... Too bad the Nord sequencers don't have a forward/backward switch! Vriendelijke groeten, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 4:33 pm Subject: TD bogarts 10/29 cincinnati added--tm onsale 8/25 10AM TD bogarts 10/29 cincinnati ohio added--tm onsale 8/25 10AM getting closer to halloween... --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 5:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream]Valley of the Sun (was: Re: 2 Cd set of 1995) The tracks on the Dream Roots CD5 are ones that Edgar and Chris (mostly Chris?) recorded in the studio during the interim after Schmoelling left the group and before Haslinger joined. Evidently they were shelved for later use while the new trio got used to playing with each other. > -----Original Message----- > From: Felna Greymane [mailto:greymane@k...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:06 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: 2 Cd set of 1995 > > > Speaking of which...I was just re-listening to the Dream > Roots set last > week and reheard for the first time (if that makes sense) > 'Valley of the > Sun' from disc 5. I was really struck by this piece. I have > no idea how I > have missed it before as I've listened to the set several > times but this > time it really sank in. Does anyone know what disc this > would most likely > have originally been for? More importantly, are there any > live versions of > it out there? > > >Dan, > > > >If you are collecting the individual Tangerine Dream albums, > then you don't > >need Book of Dreams, Pink Years, Blue Years or most of the other > >compilations. Tangents and Dream Roots are each 5 disc boxes > with 4 discs > >of bits over the years (with some new samplings and stuff dribbled on > >top--much to the chagrin of some purists), and a 5th disc containing > >entirely new material. > > > >-Morgan > > Jeff Stevenson > greymane@k... > > Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 > (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28088 Re: Valley of the Sun (was: Re: 2 Cd set of 1995) Marcel Engels Thu 8/2/2001 2 KB 28096 Re: Valley of the Sun Michael A Jean Fri 8/3/2001 2 KB 28097 Re: Valley of the Sun Feldon Feldon Fri 8/3/2001 2 KB 28175 Re: Valley of the Sun (was: Re: 2 Cd set of 1995) scfeldman@j... Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB 28197 Re: Valley of the Sun (was: Re: 2 Cd set of 1995) Owens, James Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 5:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Underwater live Unfortunately, I don't think so. > -----Original Message----- > Much of side 2 of 'Underwater Sunlight' was played on the > March 86 UK tour dates I heard (and sounded much better than > the subsequent weedy studio recordings) but did side 1's two > long pieces get performed anywhere? > > ta > > SF From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 5:38 pm Subject: Martin Kay: tour location update please? Hi Martin - any chance you could forward an updated tour date/city/venue list to us here on the mailing list? Thanks, Joe From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: arcane Boring and stale!? 8-/ I love 'Gather Darkness'. Hell, I think tracks 1 and 2 are awesome. Then recently one night I woke up in the middle of the night hearing my stereo playing track 5 and realized how nice that track is too... The funny thing is that I had actually been dreaming that it was Marcel playing! 8-D Track 5 reminds me of Monolight with the mellotron horn sounding samples. And then this morning I woke up hearing Peter Baumann's 'Romance 76' track six and have since gotten stuck on it. Small bits and sounds resemble sounds found on the 'Patrolling Space Borders' boot. Nice!....... 8-) TD should have released PSB and Parisian Dream 86' officially. Classics, IMO. As you might be able to tell, I try to listen to 'my music' around the clock if I can. I only have one lifetime to get it all in. 8-) I have come to realize that I'm a music junkie, _BAD_. 8-/ 8-) Have a good one 8-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: arcane > \ > > Future Wreck is quite similar . Three of the Four tracks have the same 80s > > TD feel as Alterstill. > > You can get it from SMD as well . > > Waddya mean 'kinda boring and stale' ;) > > > > > > Paul > > Im very bad at music terminology, but Gather Darkness would be great if there were more 'chords' (I'm not sure I use the right term here, but I absolutly love the latter part of Alerstill 2, those organ-like structures) It has a nice sequencing and stuff, but it always seems to me as if they forgot something... If they had included a organ, flute or a guitar on top it would be a classic :-) > > Alexander > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 5:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: arcane On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:03:49 +0100 'Paul Lawler' writes: > From: Alexander Bjelke > I actually got one Arcane album (Gather Darkness) but I > found that kind of boring and stale. Is there any Arcane > albums like Alterstill? > > Future Wreck is quite similar . Three of the Four tracks have the > same 80s TD feel as Alterstill. > You can get it from SMD as well . > Waddya mean 'kinda boring and stale' ;) Well, compared to FUTURE WRECK, GATHER DARKNESS definitely pales in comparison. It's nice to hear that Alexander agrees with me about FUTURE WRECK being not so hot. I thought I was the only TD fan here who thought so. > Paul Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28087 Re: ot: arcane Feldon Feldon Thu 8/2/2001 2 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 7:12 pm Subject: The record shop sketch (with apologies to Monty Python) > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:21:03 -0400 > From: 'Erik Sanborn' > Subject: Re: The so-called end of TD (satirized for your protection) > > > > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:00:56 -0000 > > From: 'Roger Hartopp' > > (large snip of an interesting post) > > >It was at this point that I hoped > >the single would be a success, so the band could finally be heard and > >be recognised by many more people - the mainstream public. So I > >curtailed my aural activities, sallied forth and infiltrated a place > >of purveyance to negotiate the vending of a 17.78cm piece of black > >vinyl. > > 'Come again?' > 'I want to buy some cheese.' > 'Oh, I thought you were complaining about the recent TD releases.' > 'No, no, no. I'm one who delights in all manifestations of the e- music muse.' > 'Sorry?' > 'I like nice dance tune!' > > (apologies to Monty Python) Too hard to resist, so here we go... Interior of large major record store. A rapper is spouting away in the corner. Customer arrives and approaches counter to be greeted by young assistant. Artistic licence has been taken here as one realises such a conversation could not possibly take place these days. But it's a bit of fun. Apologies to Monty Python and the Cheeseshop sketch. Melrose: Good morning sir. TD fan: Good morning. I was sitting in my abode just now, listening to some old pieces of black 12 inch vinyl when all of a sudden I decided to be a little bit more up-to-date. Melrose: Up-to-date, sir? TD fan: Neoteric. Melrose: Eh? TD fan: I bought myself a Compact Disc player! Melrose: Ah! Cd's! TD fan: In a nutshell. So I thought to myself after buying the necessary means of further entertainment that I would sally forth and infiltrate your place of purveyance to negotiate the vending of some discs to replace the vast aggregation of black flat vinyl set down on the stage of my abode featuring the exquisiteness of this sphere's most paramount electronic assemblage. Melrose: Come again. TD fan: I want to buy some CD's by Tangerine Dream. Melrose: Oh, I thought you were complaining about the rapper. TD fan: Heaven forbid. I am one who delights in all manifestations of dulcet expression. Melrose: Sorry? TD fan: Oooh, I like a good dance tune – I'm forced to. I have no choice most of the time. Melrose: So he can go on rapping, can he? TD fan: Of course. Now, my good man, a CD by Tangerine Dream, please. Melrose: Certainly sir. What would you like? TD fan: Well, I suppose I'd better go right to the start. How about Electronic Meditation? Melrose: I'm afraid we're straight out of the Electronic Meditation CD, sir. TD fan: Oh never mind. Maybe I just try a little later. How are you on the CD Hyperborea? Melrose: Not at the moment sir. Always get the discs from the distributor on Friday. TD fan: Tish tish. No matter. Well, I think we'll have Le Parc then, if you please, stout yeoman. Melrose: Ah, well, it's been on order for two weeks sir. I was expecting it this morning. TD fan: Yes, it's not my lucky day, is it. Er, Goblin's Club? Melrose: Sorry. TD fan: Turn of the Tides? Melrose: Normally sir, yes, but today the van broke down. TD fan: Ah, Heartbreakers? Melrose: Sorry. TD fan: Alpha Centauri, Atem? Melrose: No. TD fan: Do you have Stratosfear? Melrose: No. TD fan: Thief? Melrose: No. TD fan: Poland? Melrose: No. TD fan: White Eagle? Melrose: No. TD fan: The Seven Letters From Tibet? Melrose: No. TD fan: Tyranny of Beauty? Melrose: ...No. TD fan: 220 Volt? Melrose: No. TD fan: Any CD's originally released on the Jive-electro label? Melrose: No. TD fan: Catch Me if You Can, Quinoa, Zoning, Green Desert, Zeit, Pergamon, Cyclone, Exit, Wavelength, Miracle Mile, Optical Race... Melrose: No. TD fan: Rockoon perhaps? Melrose: Ah! We do have Rockoon, sir. TD fan: You do? Excellent. Melrose: The case is a little bit scratched sir. TD fan: Oh, I don't mind. Melrose: Well as a matter of fact it's very scratched sir. TD fan: No matter, no matter. Hand over the disc, s'il vous plait. Melrose: I think the condition of the whole package is worse then you'd like it, sir. TD fan: I don't care what the f**king condition of the disc is. Hand it over with all speed. Melrose: Yes sir. Oh... TD fan: What? Melrose: My boss has sold it. TD fan: Has he? Melrose: She, sir. TD fan: Destination Berlin? Melrose: No. TD fan: Great Wall of China? Melrose: No. TD fan: Encore? Melrose: No. TD fan: Dead Solid Perfect? Melrose: No. TD fan: The Hollywood Years Volumes 1 & 2? Melrose: No, sir. TD fan: You do have some CD's by Tangerine Dream, don't you? Melrose: Certainly sir. It's a Cd shop sir. We've got... TD fan: No, no, no, don't tell me. I'm keen to guess. Melrose: Fair enough. TD fan: Melrose? Melrose: Yes, sir? TD fan: Oh, well I'll have that then. Melrose: Oh, I'm sorry sir, I thought you were referring to me, Mr. Melrose, that's my name. TD fan: Antique Dreams? Melrose: No. TD fan: Ambient Monkeys? Melrose: No. TD fan: Ricochet? Melrose: No. TD fan: Canyon Dreams? Melrose: No. TD fan: Any copies of Sohoman? Melrose: No. TD fan: Lily on the Beach? Melrose: No. TD fan: The Keep? Melrose: Not today sir, no. TD fan: Well let's go for the biggie. How about Phaedra? Melrose: Well I'm afarid in the thirty odd years the shop's been here we've never sold a copy of Phaedra round these parts. TD fan: Never sold a copy? It sold over 100,000 copies in this country and is their best selling album in the world! Melrose: Not round these parts, sir. TD fan: And pray what is the best selling Tangerine Dream album round these parts? Melrose: Tangram, sir. TD fan: I see. Melrose: Yes sir. In fact, it's quite staggeringly popular in the manor, squire. TD fan: Is it? Melrose: Yes sir, it's our number-one seller in instrumental music. TD fan: Is it? Melrose: Yes, sir. TD fan: Tangram, eh? Melrose: Right. TD fan: OK, I'm game. Have you got a copy, he asked, expecting the answer no? Melrose: I'll have a look... nnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooo. TD fan: It's not much of a CD shop, is it? Melrose: Finest in the district, sir. TD fan: And what leads you to that conclusion? Melrose: Well, there's so many CD's in stock. TD fan: Well, it isn't exactly stocked with Tangerine Dream records. Melrose: You haven't asked me about Dream Mixes 3, sir. TD fan: Is it worth it? Melrose: Could be. TD fan: Okay, have you... SHUT THAT BLOODY RAPPER UP!!!! Melrose: Told you so. TD fan: Have you got Dream Mixes 3? Melrose: No sir. TD fan: Predictable really. `Twas an act of the purest optimism to have posed the question in the first place. Tell me, Melrose: Yes sir? TD fan: Do you have any CD's by Tangerine Dream at all? Melrose: Yes sir. TD fan: Really? Melrose: No sir. Not a copy, We only stock discs that are in the Top 100 or by acts that sell millions and rap and house music. I was deliberately wasting your time, sir. TD fan: Well, I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to shoot you. Melrose: Right-ho, sir. (BANG – lies dead on the floor) TD fan: What a senseless waste of human life. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28119 Re: The record shop sketch (with apologies to Mon Erik Sanborn Fri 8/3/2001 3 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: arcane At 01:50 PM 8/2/2001 -0400, you wrote: >On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:03:49 +0100 'Paul Lawler' >writes: > >> From: Alexander Bjelke >> I actually got one Arcane album (Gather Darkness) but I >> found that kind of boring and stale. Is there any Arcane >> albums like Alterstill? >> >> Future Wreck is quite similar . Three of the Four tracks have the >> same 80s TD feel as Alterstill. > > Well, compared to FUTURE WRECK, GATHER DARKNESS >definitely pales in comparison. It's nice to hear that Alexander >agrees with me about FUTURE WRECK being not so hot. I >thought I was the only TD fan here who thought so. > >> Paul > >Steven Feldman I haven't said much on this subject, as someone got themseves booted from the list for making a similar, but more offensive comment, but the fourth track on Future Wreck, 'Planet of the Blind' is clearly a homage or tribute to TD, as there are many many themes pulled from TD tracks. Anyone else agree? -Morgan From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 7:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream]Valley of the Sun (was: Re: 2 Cd set of 1995) > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > > The tracks on the Dream Roots CD5 are ones that Edgar and Chris (mostly > Chris?) recorded in the studio during the interim after > Schmoelling left the > group and before Haslinger joined. Evidently they were shelved for later > use while the new trio got used to playing with each other. Everybody says that it was a track by Ed and Chris after Johannes left, but is it really true? Is there evidence for it? Because when I heard it it doesn't really sound like a Franke sequence. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28096 Re: Valley of the Sun Michael A Jean Fri 8/3/2001 2 KB 28097 Re: Valley of the Sun Feldon Feldon Fri 8/3/2001 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 7:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Mars Polaris 2? The link on the first five tracks correspond to the first five tracks on the Mars POlaris Album, not as they are listed in the Mars Polaris/2 set. In other words, it syas it's 'Rim of Schiaparelli' but it's really 'Comet's Figure Head', even though that's not listed as one of the tracks. It IS odd that the only track that is duplicated is Dies Martis (TransMercury), which just HAPPENS to be 'available' in two versions. Of course it's also the last track, so that's probably just a typo. When I did a song search on HMV for 'The Silent Rock' the only hit was Mars Polaris/2 set. Anyone like to purchase this and find out? James > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 7:36 AM > To: Tadreamonelist > Subject: [tadream] Mars Polaris 2? > > > Check out HMV.com and tell me what you all make of this item? > > > Regards, > > Michael A. Jean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28107 Re: Mars Polaris 2? Hilary Wright Fri 8/3/2001 3 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 7:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: arcane ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: arcane > >Steven Feldman > > I haven't said much on this subject, as someone got themseves booted from > the list for making a similar, but more offensive comment, but the fourth > track on Future Wreck, 'Planet of the Blind' is clearly a homage or tribute > to TD, as there are many many themes pulled from TD tracks. > > Anyone else agree? > > -Morgan > Well Jared got booted for what Joe felt was a personal attack rather than a musical critisism, which I dont mind . It would be wrong of me as an often hard critic of modern TD to then turn around and say ' Hey dont say you dont like my stuff ' . I have not in any way stolen TD themes . Its the same with all of the Arcane stuff . I try to use the sounds and type of chords, sequence and melody lines that TD would have used . This will inevitably lead to similarities . Its the same as when a producer asks me to score in a 'John Williams style ' . You work out the typical type of chords and orchestration that Williams uses (that gives him his recognisable sound) and you use them .....hey presto a (watered down) basic sounding J Williams sound . Its a case of using the particular aspects of an individuals musical style that makes them unique . Its easy to compose a piece that people will say 'that sounds like Morricone' or TD etc because they have such unique sounds . Anyway, thats my excuse . Paul From: 'Coral Rumsey' Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 9:13 pm Subject: portions of this show pre-recorded Have any TD members ever had much to say about their attitude to playing over pre-prepared backing parts? There's parts of concert tapes from the 80s where the impression is very much that the trio were playing live embellishments over otherwise canned music. I'm thinking particularly of 'Stratosfear' & 'Rare Bird' as played in 86, 'Mojave Plan' & 'Midnight in Tula' 82, where it sounds as if a tape of the studio recordings was pumping out for them to doodle the remaining 15% over. That gtr-synth solo on 'MP' in Sydney sounds remarkably like the record and only the bum-notes at the end of 'MIT' betray the presence of anyone playing. I've never really grasped how much, if any, of the more structured post-1980 music was amenable to any change in performance e.g. the mighty title-track of 'Poland' - how much of that was being run by stand-alone machines? Perhaps I'm naive in my surprise at how little comment such stuff draws. (maybe I just haven't listened to enough successive nights' tapes of old tours to hear the changing details) If they're going to engage in this you might as well sit at home with the records turned up very loud, and play your Casio VL-tone along with it. That's what struck me when they did stuff from 'Optical Race' in 1990, the impressive-looking-but-compact gear-setup for which was apparently pure show - a PC up Edgar's arse performed all the parts. Interested in people's thoughts on this topic. ta Simon Fay np 'Tangerine Dream Plays Milli Vanilli' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28092 Re: portions of this show pre-recorded Feldon Feldon Thu 8/2/2001 2 KB 28093 Re: portions of this show pre-recorded Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 8/2/2001 5 KB 28094 Re: portions of this show pre-recorded Feldon Feldon Thu 8/2/2001 3 KB 28121 Re: portions of this show pre-recorded Joe Shoults Fri 8/3/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 9:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] portions of this show pre-recorded At 10:13 PM 8/2/2001 +0100, you wrote: >Have any TD members ever had much to say about their attitude to playing over pre-prepared backing parts? There's parts of concert tapes from the 80s where the impression is very much that the trio were playing live embellishments over otherwise canned music. Been discussed many times. They haven't been over the 50% live barrier since 1983. -Morgan From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 9:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] portions of this show pre-recorded A tad on the strong side. There are many reasons why you would use 'can music' at a live show. I use it when the regular musicians are not able to attend. This 'can music' is in the form or midi which I use thru various synths to create the sound needed. I have even used it for recording and learning lessons for new musicians we bring on board. I don't think I would go as far as say 'Tangerine Dream Plays Milli Vanilli'. After all, all those notes had to be programmed into the system. From what I remembered Milli Vanilli never carried a toon let along played a instrument. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Coral Rumsey' To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:13 PM Subject: [tadream] portions of this show pre-recorded > Have any TD members ever had much to say about their attitude to playing over pre-prepared backing parts? There's parts of concert tapes from the 80s where the impression is very much that the trio were playing live embellishments over otherwise canned music. > > I'm thinking particularly of 'Stratosfear' & 'Rare Bird' as played in 86, 'Mojave Plan' & 'Midnight in Tula' 82, where it sounds as if a tape of the studio recordings was pumping out for them to doodle the remaining 15% over. That gtr-synth solo on 'MP' in Sydney sounds remarkably like the record and only the bum-notes at the end of 'MIT' betray the presence of anyone playing. I've never really grasped how much, if any, of the more structured post-1980 music was amenable to any change in performance e.g. the mighty title-track of 'Poland' - how much of that was being run by stand-alone machines? > > Perhaps I'm naive in my surprise at how little comment such stuff draws. (maybe I just haven't listened to enough successive nights' tapes of old tours to hear the changing details) If they're going to engage in this you might as well sit at home with the records turned up very loud, and play your Casio VL-tone along with it. That's what struck me when they did stuff from 'Optical Race' in 1990, the impressive-looking-but-compact gear-setup for which was apparently pure show - a PC up Edgar's arse performed all the parts. > > Interested in people's thoughts on this topic. > > ta > > Simon Fay > > np 'Tangerine Dream Plays Milli Vanilli' > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28094 Re: portions of this show pre-recorded Feldon Feldon Thu 8/2/2001 3 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 9:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] portions of this show pre-recorded >From: 'Coral Rumsey' >To: >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:13 PM >Subject: [tadream] portions of this show pre-recorded > > >the mighty >title-track of 'Poland' - how much of that was being run by stand-alone >machines? The 20 minute track Poland on the Poland CD is entirely a studio creation. The live version was nearly 30 minutes and, in my opinion, drags endlessly. Same musical ideas and notes, just much longer and takes longer to evolve. And even with the 30 minute version, it's STILL missing some of the more intriguing music cues that appear on the Poland 2CD. This is one of the few cases where a cleaned up, get-to-the-point studio version is better. And in answer to your question, I'm pretty sure the 1983 stuff was played live. Listening to the musical results of several power failures during this particular December 83 concert will prove this. I have to say, there are several live versions of tracks through the late 80s and 90s that much improve upon what appeared on studio albums. Atlas Eyes, as performed live, is a notch better, to give an example. -Morgan From: PENFOLD Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 11:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The record shop sketch (with apologies to Monty Python) At 01.08.02 19:12, Roger Hartopp wrote: > > (apologies to Monty Python) > >Too hard to resist, so here we go... >TD fan: Well, it isn't exactly stocked with Tangerine Dream records. Shouldn't this line be: 'Well it certainly seems uncontaminated by TD' (look it up in the MPFC book(s) 'All The Words') Either way this was a great LOL! Pete aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28115 Re: The record shop sketch (with apologies to Mon gmroger@p... Fri 8/3/2001 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 1:23 am Subject: RE: [tadream]Valley of the Sun I think it says that in the DRC booklet... > > Everybody says that it was a track by Ed and Chris after > Johannes left, but is it really true? > Is there evidence for it? Because when I heard it it doesn't > really sound like a Franke sequence. > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28097 Re: Valley of the Sun Feldon Feldon Fri 8/3/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 12:24 am Subject: RE: [tadream]Valley of the Sun Any takers on a $50 bet on what Marcel will say next? -Morgan At 08:23 PM 8/2/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I think it says that in the DRC booklet... > > >> >> Everybody says that it was a track by Ed and Chris after >> Johannes left, but is it really true? >> Is there evidence for it? Because when I heard it it doesn't >> really sound like a Franke sequence. >> >> Marcel >> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels >> mengels@w... From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 1:29 am Subject: FW: August at The Birchmere!! For those who are interested in knowing what other acts are playing at the Virginia venue.... TD is now listed (where as before they weren't)... MJ -----Original Message----- From: list@b... 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From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 1:59 am Subject: RE: [tadream]Valley of the Sun I had a hard time recalling the exact wording because the last time I read it was in my hotel room in London almost 5 years ago...Here is an excerpt 'Drawing on the ideascontained in Le Parc, both Franke & Froese worked up an incredible amount of materials between Oct 85 and Jan 86....The quantum leap in sound quality was in no small way due to Christoph Franke's continued research in cmputer sequencing and Froese's insistence on developing unique sounds' Personally I like VANISHING BLUE the best... I wonder if we'll get to hear more some day... > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 7:24 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream]Valley of the Sun > > > Any takers on a $50 bet on what Marcel will say next? > > -Morgan > > At 08:23 PM 8/2/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >I think it says that in the DRC booklet... > > > > > >> > >> Everybody says that it was a track by Ed and Chris after > >> Johannes left, but is it really true? > >> Is there evidence for it? Because when I heard it it doesn't > >> really sound like a Franke sequence. > >> > >> Marcel > >> http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > >> mengels@w... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 2:01 am Subject: Old interview AN old interview has popped up on the Washington Post Website... http://yp.washingtonpost.com/E/E/WASDC/0003/18/76/cs1.html Regards, Michael A. Jean Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 2:09 am Subject: tour date update on TD site DATE CITY VENUE CONFIRMED? Oct 13th Boynton Beach, FL Orbit NOT YET Oct 14th St. Petersburg, FL Janus Landing NOT YET Oct 16th Atlanta, GA Variety Playhouse NOT YET Oct 19th New York City BB King Blues Club NOT YET Oct 20th Philadelphia, PA Theatre of Living Arts YES Oct 21st Uncasville, CT Mohegan Sun YES Oct 23rd Boston, MA Scullers Jazz Club YES Oct 24th Buffalo, NY The Trail NOT YET Oct 25th Alexandria, VA Birchmere NOT YET Oct 26th Rochester, NY Water St. Music Hall NOT YET Oct 27th Pittsburgh, PA Rosebud NOT YET Oct 29th Cincinnati, OH Bogart's NOT YET Oct 30th Cleveland, OH The Odeon NOT YET Nov 01st Detroit, MI Second City NOT YET Nov 02nd Chicago, IL House of Blues NOT YET Nov 03rd Milwaukee, WI Riverside Theatre NOT YET Nov 04th Minneapolis, MN First Avenue NOT YET Nov 06th Denver, CO Paramount NOT YET Nov 08th San Francisco, CA Fillmore NOT YET Nov 09th Ventura, CA Ventura Theatre NOT YET Nov 10th Anaheim, CA House of Blues YES Nov 11th Los Angeles, CA House of Blues (West Hollywood) YES Nov 14th Portland, OR Aladdin YES Nov 15th Seattle, WA Showbox Regards, Michael A. Jean Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28102 Re: tour date update on TD site Sean Montgomery Fri 8/3/2001 2 KB 28105 Re: tour date update on TD site Dave Brewer Fri 8/3/2001 3 KB 28114 Re: tour date update on TD site James E. Jacoby Fri 8/3/2001 3 KB 28116 Re: tour date update on TD site mengels@w... Fri 8/3/2001 3 KB 28122 Re: tour date update on TD site Joe Shoults Fri 8/3/2001 2 KB 28124 Re: tour date update on TD site Joe Shoults Fri 8/3/2001 2 KB 28126 Re: tour date update on TD site PENFOLD Fri 8/3/2001 2 KB 28127 Re: tour date update on TD site moxica@m... Fri 8/3/2001 3 KB 28128 Re: tour date update on TD site goozer@a... Sat 8/4/2001 4 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 1:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] tour date update on TD site Interesting...no Toronto date. In fact, no Canadian dates at all. That's a first. I suspect it has something to do with exchange rates/taxes/venue fees...but still, that's their loss. I'm not driving to Buffalo during the work week to see them! -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: snowdog747@a... Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 2:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: arcane Surprised no one has metioned 'Alterstill' It is quickly becoming one of my all time favorites, though 'Gather Darkness' and 'Future Wreck are also high on my favorite list. Ben Graber(snowdog747@a...) NP: Alterstill return to lurk From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 4:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream]Valley of the Sun Marcel Said: >Everybody says that it was a track by Ed and Chris after >Johannes left, but is it really true? >Is there evidence for it? Because when I heard it it doesn't >really sound like a Franke sequence. > I think I'll disagree with that (sounding like a Hollywood Squares contestant). There's some sequences in there that sure remind me of some of the stuff Franke did on the Klemania CD (at least the original version, I'm not sure how much was remixed for the regular release). I'm thinking of the first section of Inside the Morphing Space. The sounds kinda remind me of something like a xylophone or a marimba, kinda ethnic-sounding. I'm not sure what to call it. Also, the bell sounds on Valley of the Sun really stand out to me. I believe it is the 'Swedish Handbells' patch on the DX7, but I'm not 100% sure since I don't own one. I know, it's another one of those dreaded 80's FM synth sounds that was really overused. But TD hardly ever used it to my recollection. I think it's a nice sound myself, and used well on this track. Enya also uses this sound, and I think the old Taco Bell restaurant commercials used it as well! :-) Anyway, I think Valley of the Sun should be up there in the list of classic TD tracks. And I have to wonder if it was inspired by Phoenix, Arizona, or if there's another 'Valley of the Sun' out there in the world?? Dave B. (feels like I'm living in a valley ON the sun this time of year! -) ) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28108 Re: Valley of the Sun Matthew Stringer Fri 8/3/2001 2 KB 28113 Re: Valley of the Sun mengels@w... Fri 8/3/2001 2 KB 28151 Voices in the Net Marcel Engels Sun 8/5/2001 2 KB 29760 Valley of the Sun Owens, James Wed 10/24/2001 2 KB 29780 Re: Valley of the Sun Matthew Stringer Wed 10/24/2001 3 KB 29761 Re: Valley of the Sun John Vertical Wed 10/24/2001 3 KB 29786 Re: Valley of the Sun RJF Thu 10/25/2001 2 KB 29762 Re: Valley of the Sun thomas.soucheleau@n... Wed 10/24/2001 3 KB 29764 Re: Valley of the Sun Dennis Nigbur Wed 10/24/2001 4 KB From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 4:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] tour date update on TD site Sean Said: >Interesting...no Toronto date. In fact, no Canadian dates at all. That's a first. I suspect it has something to do with >exchange rates/taxes/venue fees...but still, that's their loss. I'm not driving to Buffalo during the work week to see them! > And still no Arizona date either! They're going to Colorado and lots of places in Cali... I think they have to drive through (or at least fly over) Arizona at some point between them, no? C'mon! They left November 7th open. Please stop in Phoenix! The blistering heat will be gone by then, and so will the monsoon rains! In fact, the weather will be perfect for another outdoor concert like the one back in '92... But then again, maybe the 6th to the 11th is too long of a stretch without a day off. Maybe I'll just set my stereo up in my backyard and crank it up full-blast to get a near-outdoor-concert-experience. :-/ Dave B. (back to lurking again) From: 'Miles MacMillan' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 9:03 am Subject: tour dates Hi people, I can't believe there is no Toronto date on the new tour. I am depressed. Miles MacMillan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 6:49 am Subject: Re: Mars Polaris 2? Here's another link to the Silent Rock track, and some other interesting track titles for Mars Polaris! http://www.groove.nl/cd/3/31380.html Does anyone have this CD? Are the track titles just changed on the 'official' version TDI CD016? Or are they different tracks? Hilary --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > The link on the first five tracks correspond to the first five tracks on the > Mars POlaris Album, not as they are listed in the Mars Polaris/2 set. In > other words, it syas it's 'Rim of Schiaparelli' but it's really 'Comet's > Figure Head', even though that's not listed as one of the tracks. It IS odd > that the only track that is duplicated is Dies Martis (TransMercury), which > just HAPPENS to be 'available' in two versions. Of course it's also the > last track, so that's probably just a typo. When I did a song search on HMV > for 'The Silent Rock' the only hit was Mars Polaris/2 set. > > Anyone like to purchase this and find out? > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 7:36 AM > > To: Tadreamonelist > > Subject: [tadream] Mars Polaris 2? > > > > > > Check out HMV.com and tell me what you all make of this item? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael A. Jean From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 8:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream]Valley of the Sun On Friday 03 August 2001 5:13 am, you wrote: > Marcel Said: > >Everybody says that it was a track by Ed and Chris after > >Johannes left, but is it really true? > >Is there evidence for it? Because when I heard it it doesn't > >really sound like a Franke sequence. This is sooo Franke and Froese, tracks 2 and 4 are Froese solo tracks which illustrate what was lost when Chris left. Matt - broken hearted since 1987! From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 8:23 am Subject: dream analysis Hi, isn't that funny: I just received an email where somebody invites me personally to have a look and eventually contribute to a newly launched website on dream analysis (as in psychology). Apparently my Tangerine Dream website made them interested in me. Obviously that email was generated, addresses pulled from websites which contain the keyword 'dream'. Guess then that some of you got the same... cheers a. From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 8:54 am Subject: mars polaris 2? hi dreamers i thikn i have solved the riddle of the strange titles for mars polaris that is showing on hmv.com and groove below is the tracks for the so called mars polaris 2 1.. Marte Vallis 2.. Rim of Schiapelli 3.. Dies Martis 4.. The red gate 5.. Helium county 6.. Tharsis maneuver 7.. Elysium basin 8.. Spiral star date 9.. Mars mission counter 10.. Deep space cruiser 11.. The silent rock whilst here is the tracks for the misspressing of the official release:- 01 Zhu Zhanji Great Wall of China 6.14 02 Rim of Schiaparelli Mars Polaris 6.12 03 Dies Martis (TransMercury) (remix) * Mars Polaris 4.00 04 No More Candles Burning Great Wall of China 4.12 05 Lights of Beijing Great Wall of China 5.44 06 Tharsis Maneuver Mars Polaris 4.28 07 Stranded Without Shade Great Wall of China 4.32 08 Spiral Star Date (level P) Mars Polaris 6.12 09 Mars Mission Counter Mars Polaris 5.44 10 Deep Space Cruiser Mars Polaris 4.39 11 Silence the Barking Monk Great Wall of China 7.23 as you see both have 11 tracks and the mars polaris tracks are in the correct positions on each cd. so i would say instead of TDI saying the misspressing was a production error that should have been a promo cd, it seems to me as that the original mars polaris was 2 cds which was listed on the TDI site for a while before its release with the exact same titles as the top (which can be found on http://www.groove.nl/cd/3/31380.html ) and that the tracks are in fact correct and the second cd should have been the rest of mars polaris and the rest of the great wall of china. thus the project was scrapped and TDI decided to release two cds, but the master disc for the first cd of the 2cd version of mars polaris somehow found its way back into the processing plant and the rest is history. Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28111 Re: mars polaris 2? Michael A Jean Fri 8/3/2001 5 KB 28125 Re: mars polaris 2? Owens, James Fri 8/3/2001 4 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 11:47 am Subject: RE: [tadream] mars polaris 2? That makes perfect sense...Really...I was listening to both of them back to back the other day, and was struck by the similarities... Business opportunities must have changed the project into a two 'soundtracks'... Perhaps this is the explanation of Lion's Share (2cd), unless someone figured that out long ago and I just missed it.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Duncan Mckee [mailto:mckee17@m...] > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:54 AM > To: tadream > Subject: [tadream] mars polaris 2? > > > hi dreamers > i thikn i have solved the riddle of the strange titles for mars > polaris that is showing on hmv.com and groove > below is the tracks for the so called mars polaris 2 > 1.. Marte Vallis > 2.. Rim of Schiapelli > 3.. Dies Martis > 4.. The red gate > 5.. Helium county > 6.. Tharsis maneuver > 7.. Elysium basin > 8.. Spiral star date > 9.. Mars mission counter > 10.. Deep space cruiser > 11.. The silent rock > > > whilst here is the tracks for the misspressing of the official release:- > > 01 Zhu Zhanji Great Wall of China 6.14 > 02 Rim of Schiaparelli Mars Polaris 6.12 > 03 Dies Martis (TransMercury) (remix) * Mars Polaris 4.00 > 04 No More Candles Burning Great Wall of China 4.12 > 05 Lights of Beijing Great Wall of China 5.44 > 06 Tharsis Maneuver Mars Polaris 4.28 > 07 Stranded Without Shade Great Wall of China 4.32 > 08 Spiral Star Date (level P) Mars Polaris 6.12 > 09 Mars Mission Counter Mars Polaris 5.44 > 10 Deep Space Cruiser Mars Polaris 4.39 > 11 Silence the Barking Monk Great Wall of China 7.23 > > > > as you see both have 11 tracks and the mars polaris tracks are in > the correct positions on each cd. > so i would say instead of TDI saying the misspressing was a > production error that should have been a promo cd, it seems to me > as that the original mars polaris was 2 cds which was listed on > the TDI site for a while before its release with the exact same > titles as the top (which can be found on http://www.groove.nl/cd/3/31380.html ) and that the tracks are in fact correct and the second cd should have been the rest of mars polaris and the rest of the great wall of china. thus the project was scrapped and TDI decided to release two cds, but the master disc for the first cd of the 2cd version of mars polaris somehow found its way back into the processing plant and the rest is history. Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 9:22 am Subject: vacation Hi all, Mr. Optical (www.opticaldream.de) is on vacation from 04.08.01 to 20.08.01 , I can`t answer in this time to all incoming emails, sorry. Dream on heiko neumann / burg / germany www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34642 vacation duncan mckee Mon 7/1/2002 2 KB From: Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 2:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream]Valley of the Sun > Quoten Matthew Stringer : > This is sooo Franke and Froese, tracks 2 and 4 are Froese solo tracks which > illustrate what was lost when Chris left. It could be a Franke and Froese track, but imo it has a few newer sounds which they didn't use back then. Have not listened to it in a while though. I didn't find the track that good actually. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 1:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour date update on TD site Oh my god! I am literally jumping up and down, screaming with excitement, feeling like a stupid fanboy! I was expecting the closest show to S. Florida would be in Atlanta, so I was beginning to save for the trip up.... and now I see the first show of the tour will be in my own backyard of Boynton Beach! I am *so* happy! In the 11 years I've been listening to and collecting TD, they've never been nearby in concert. In fact, I think the last time they were in the area was the Optical Race tour (1987?). Bring 'em on! Even if there are pre-recorded bongos! An addendum: that TD Cheese Shop parody was brilliant. --- Michael A Jean wrote: > > DATE CITY VENUE CONFIRMED? > Oct 13th Boynton Beach, FL Orbit NOT YET > Oct 14th St. Petersburg, FL Janus Landing NOT YET > Oct 16th Atlanta, GA Variety Playhouse NOT YET > Oct 19th New York City BB King Blues Club NOT YET > Oct 20th Philadelphia, PA Theatre of Living Arts YES > Oct 21st Uncasville, CT Mohegan Sun YES > Oct 23rd Boston, MA Scullers Jazz Club YES > Oct 24th Buffalo, NY The Trail NOT YET > Oct 25th Alexandria, VA Birchmere NOT YET > Oct 26th Rochester, NY Water St. Music Hall NOT YET > Oct 27th Pittsburgh, PA Rosebud NOT YET > Oct 29th Cincinnati, OH Bogart's NOT YET > Oct 30th Cleveland, OH The Odeon NOT YET > Nov 01st Detroit, MI Second City NOT YET > Nov 02nd Chicago, IL House of Blues NOT YET > Nov 03rd Milwaukee, WI Riverside Theatre NOT YET > Nov 04th Minneapolis, MN First Avenue NOT YET > Nov 06th Denver, CO Paramount NOT YET > Nov 08th San Francisco, CA Fillmore NOT YET > Nov 09th Ventura, CA Ventura Theatre NOT YET > Nov 10th Anaheim, CA House of Blues YES > Nov 11th Los Angeles, CA House of Blues (West Hollywood) YES > Nov 14th Portland, OR Aladdin YES > Nov 15th Seattle, WA Showbox __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28116 Re: tour date update on TD site mengels@w... Fri 8/3/2001 3 KB From: gmroger@p... Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 1:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The record shop sketch (with apologies to Monty Python) On 2 Aug 2001, at 16:41, PENFOLD wrote: > At 01.08.02 19:12, Roger Hartopp wrote: > > > (apologies to Monty Python) > > > >Too hard to resist, so here we go... > >TD fan: Well, it isn't exactly stocked with Tangerine Dream records. > > Shouldn't this line be: > 'Well it certainly seems uncontaminated by TD' > (look it up in the MPFC book(s) 'All The Words') > > Either way this was a great LOL! > > > Pete Thanks for the complement! However, don't forget in the original MP sketch the response from Mr. Wensleydale to John Cleese's question on why the shop is the finest in the district was 'Well, it's so clean, sir.' Hygiene is not that important in a record shop! ;-) But then I'm sure someone else could even think up something better than my line! Cheers, Roger -- Jest niezly ... i liscik napisze OnetKomunikator [ http://ok.onet.pl/instaluj.html ] From: Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 3:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour date update on TD site > Quoten 'James E. Jacoby' : > Oh my god! I am literally jumping up and down, screaming with > excitement, feeling like a stupid fanboy! I was expecting the > closest show to S. Florida would be in Atlanta, so I was beginning to > save for the trip up.... and now I see the first show of the tour > will be in my own backyard of Boynton Beach! I am *so* happy! In > the 11 years I've been listening to and collecting TD, they've never > been nearby in concert. In fact, I think the last time they were in > the area was the Optical Race tour (1987?). Bring 'em on! Even if > there are pre-recorded bongos! > > DATE CITY VENUE CONFIRMED? > > Oct 13th Boynton Beach, FL Orbit NOT YET Now don't forget our concert in Philadelphia at... 13th Oct. Thanks TD for picking the same date as ours... So people are more willing to see something playbacked (same as on CD complete with bongos) then atmospheric improvised stuff in a cathedral? Okay...that makes sense. :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 4:46 pm Subject: nudge curmudgeons lemme see according to mapquest toronto is 101 miles from buffalo--that's slightly shorter than the distance from where I live or from my work to the fillmore in san francisco. Albeit no border crossings, but silicon valley rush hour traffic must be similar and horrible SF parking. Of course, there's no chance of snow between here and San Francisco, well not completely true if I drove over the santa cruz mountains that time of year there could be some or mebbe some ice on the return--tho' highly unlikely, fog on the other hand is likely on one or two of the other routes up the peninsula. So, if I were living in toronto I'm sure I'd find away to make it to Buffalo on a Friday to see TD. It could be another 9 years, if ever. Let me tell you the trip over the atlantic is no picnic, somehow Edgar at 57 has found the energy to bring the tour to North America if not to Toronto. --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28118 Re: nudge curmudgeons Sean Montgomery Fri 8/3/2001 3 KB 28120 Re: nudge curmudgeons Sean Montgomery Fri 8/3/2001 2 KB 28123 Re: nudge curmudgeons Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 8/3/2001 3 KB 28146 nudge curmudgeons Miles MacMillan Sun 8/5/2001 3 KB 28147 Re: nudge curmudgeons Adele Outland Sun 8/5/2001 3 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 5:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] nudge curmudgeons tei waz wrote: > lemme see according to mapquest toronto is 101 miles from buffalo--that's > slightly shorter than the distance from where I live or from my work to the > fillmore in san francisco. I knew someone was going to make that point, but my argument is that Toronto is the fifth largest metropolitan area on the continent, a huge center for live music, and the headquarters of most major Canadian media outlets. Why would they give it a pass? From an American point of view, it would be like skipping New York. And I'm not brushing off Montreal and Vancouver; they're obvious stops for any band coming to North America too. Given the minimal media attention I expect this tour to receive, most people in Toronto won't even know TD are coming, much less contemplate the drive. Buffalo clubs don't advertise in Toronto papers. Ultimately though, it comes down to this...if TD actually put on an exciting live show, I'd consider going, but given what their stage show amounts to these days, I'd be better off staying home and listening to a CD. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Erik Sanborn' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 5:06 pm Subject: Re: The record shop sketch (with apologies to Monty Python) > Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 19:12:37 -0000 > From: 'Roger Hartopp' >Subject: The record shop sketch (with apologies to Monty Python) > >Too hard to resist, so here we go... (BIG snip) ROTFLMAO! Simply brilliant! You have entirely too much time on your hands and I thank you for it. :-) Cheers, Erik From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] nudge curmudgeons tei waz wrote: > Of course, there's no chance of snow between here and San Francisco I missed the significance of this remark the first time through. Sorry to spoil your illusions...but there will be no snow on the ground here in October. Believe it or not, we do not live in igloos here! -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 2:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] portions of this show pre-recorded now THAT'S not something you see Morgan say every day! good thing I was sitting down! ;-) Joe np: Genesis - SEBTP (boy, I love this album!) > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] ... > The 20 minute track Poland on the Poland CD is entirely a > studio creation. ... > This is one of the few cases where a cleaned up, > get-to-the-point studio version is better. From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 5:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] tour date update on TD site woohoo! ...although I hate the Odeon's acoustics - the place sucks. Scott - you ready? Gary? We got any other people coming to Cleveland? > > Oct 30th Cleveland, OH The Odeon NOT YET From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 5:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] nudge curmudgeons I remember seeing a National Geographic that lead me to believe otherwise. (hehehe) Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Sean Montgomery' To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] nudge curmudgeons > tei waz wrote: > > > Of course, there's no chance of snow between here and San Francisco > > I missed the significance of this remark the first time through. Sorry to spoil your illusions...but there will be no snow on > the ground here in October. Believe it or not, we do not live in igloos here! From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 5:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] tour date update on TD site update from ticketmaster.com (some of the 'NOT YET' below have been confirmed: Wed, 10/24/01 8:00PM Tralfamadore Cafe Buffalo, NY On Sale Now Thu, 10/25/01 7:30PM BIRCHMERE Alexandria, VA On Sale Now Mon, 10/29/01 8:00PM Bogarts Cincinnati, OH On Sale 8/25/01 10:00AM Fri, 11/9/01 7:00PM Ventura Theatre Ventura, CA On Sale Now Those are some pretty early start times for a band with no opening act, eh? > -----Original Message----- > Subject: [tadream] tour date update on TD site From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 7:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] mars polaris 2? Okay, so what was the tracklist of the first disc supposed to be? > -----Original Message----- > From: Duncan Mckee [mailto:mckee17@m...] > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:54 AM > To: tadream > Subject: [tadream] mars polaris 2? > > > hi dreamers > i thikn i have solved the riddle of the strange titles for > mars polaris that is showing on hmv.com and groove > below is the tracks for the so called mars polaris 2 > 1.. Marte Vallis > 2.. Rim of Schiapelli > 3.. Dies Martis > 4.. The red gate > 5.. Helium county > 6.. Tharsis maneuver > 7.. Elysium basin > 8.. Spiral star date > 9.. Mars mission counter > 10.. Deep space cruiser > 11.. The silent rock > > > whilst here is the tracks for the misspressing of the > official release:- > > 01 Zhu Zhanji Great Wall of China 6.14 > 02 Rim of Schiaparelli Mars Polaris 6.12 > 03 Dies Martis (TransMercury) (remix) * Mars Polaris 4.00 > 04 No More Candles Burning Great Wall of China 4.12 > 05 Lights of Beijing Great Wall of China 5.44 > 06 Tharsis Maneuver Mars Polaris 4.28 > 07 Stranded Without Shade Great Wall of China 4.32 > 08 Spiral Star Date (level P) Mars Polaris 6.12 > 09 Mars Mission Counter Mars Polaris 5.44 > 10 Deep Space Cruiser Mars Polaris 4.39 > 11 Silence the Barking Monk Great Wall of China 7.23 > > > > as you see both have 11 tracks and the mars polaris tracks > are in the correct positions on each cd. > so i would say instead of TDI saying the misspressing was a > production error that should have been a promo cd, it seems > to me as that the original mars polaris was 2 cds which was > listed on the TDI site for a while before its release with > the exact same titles as the top (which can be found on http://www.groove.nl/cd/3/31380.html ) and that the tracks are in fact correct and the second cd should have been the rest of mars polaris and the rest of the great wall of china. thus the project was scrapped and TDI decided to release two cds, but the master disc for the first cd of the 2cd version of mars polaris somehow found its way back into the processing plant and the rest is history. Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: PENFOLD Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 7:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour date update on TD site At 01.08.02 21:09, Michael A Jean wrote: >DATE CITY VENUE CONFIRMED? >Nov 10th Anaheim, CA House of Blues YES FYI: this HoB is located in the largest Tourist Clip Joint in all of SoCal.....Downtown Disney The first 3 hours of parking are free, and you can get two more hours with validation. I'm definitely planning on going to this one as Maushwitz is only a half-hour drive from my place. My wife's looking forward to seeing TD as she's *never* seen them perform and didn't know of TD until she met me! Pete aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: moxica@m... Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 7:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] tour date update on TD site Yeah go see a show and still have plenty of time to get back to the office before anyone misses you. - ----Original Message----- >From: Joe Shoults >To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Subj: RE: [tadream] tour date update on TD site >Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 1:55 PM > >update from ticketmaster.com (some of the 'NOT YET' below have been >confirmed: > >Wed, 10/24/01 8:00PM Tralfamadore Cafe Buffalo, NY On Sale Now >Thu, 10/25/01 7:30PM BIRCHMERE Alexandria, VA On Sale Now >Mon, 10/29/01 8:00PM Bogarts Cincinnati, OH On Sale 8/25/01 10:00AM >Fri, 11/9/01 7:00PM Ventura Theatre Ventura, CA On Sale Now > >Those are some pretty early start times for a band with no opening act, eh? > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> Subject: [tadream] tour date update on TD site > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: goozer@a... Date: Sat Aug 4, 2001 4:42 am Subject: Re: tour date update on TD site @^*(#&$!!! No Dallas date!! In fact, no date within 1000 miles (give or take a few!) Now I have to choose between Boynton Beach (dad lives in Wellington), NY/Philly (several best friends up there), and LA (brother and more best friends). That is *if* I decide to skip my 20th year H.S. reunion...only so many vacation days left, dont'cha know. X( Hmmmm...I was at the Ventura in '92, not 10ft. away from the band. I guess it'd be kinda cool to do it again.... goozer (who thinks they should stop here at the Red Jacket...or the Bronco Bowl! C'mon, I've flown out to London *twice*!) --- In tadream@y..., 'Michael A Jean' wrote: > > DATE CITY VENUE CONFIRMED? > Oct 13th Boynton Beach, FL Orbit NOT YET > Oct 14th St. Petersburg, FL Janus Landing NOT YET > Oct 16th Atlanta, GA Variety Playhouse NOT YET > Oct 19th New York City BB King Blues Club NOT YET > Oct 20th Philadelphia, PA Theatre of Living Arts YES > Oct 21st Uncasville, CT Mohegan Sun YES > Oct 23rd Boston, MA Scullers Jazz Club YES > Oct 24th Buffalo, NY The Trail NOT YET > Oct 25th Alexandria, VA Birchmere NOT YET > Oct 26th Rochester, NY Water St. Music Hall NOT YET > Oct 27th Pittsburgh, PA Rosebud NOT YET > Oct 29th Cincinnati, OH Bogart's NOT YET > Oct 30th Cleveland, OH The Odeon NOT YET > Nov 01st Detroit, MI Second City NOT YET > Nov 02nd Chicago, IL House of Blues NOT YET > Nov 03rd Milwaukee, WI Riverside Theatre NOT YET > Nov 04th Minneapolis, MN First Avenue NOT YET > Nov 06th Denver, CO Paramount NOT YET > Nov 08th San Francisco, CA Fillmore NOT YET > Nov 09th Ventura, CA Ventura Theatre NOT YET > Nov 10th Anaheim, CA House of Blues YES > Nov 11th Los Angeles, CA House of Blues (West Hollywood) YES > Nov 14th Portland, OR Aladdin YES > Nov 15th Seattle, WA Showbox > > Regards, > > Michael A. Jean > > > > > Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely > free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. > Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: > > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28144 Re: tour date - Boynton James E. Jacoby Sat 8/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Aug 4, 2001 11:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mars Polaris 2? Just what is that Mars Polaris 2 CD set? Does it contain any material not included eventually in either Mars Polaris or Great Wall of China? Is it available anywhere? I've been following the dicussion about track lists, but I'm still at a loss as to what everyone's talking about. Could someone fill me in on or off-list? Dennis From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Aug 4, 2001 11:04 am Subject: Is the i-Box worth having? For the first time in ages, I browsed the TD catalogue in a HMV yesterday, and found, alongside the Dream Mixes III CD, which I ended up buying and taking home with me, the i-Box set. Just wondering if anyone on the list has this set. Is it worth buying at the rather steep price of Ł45? How much unreleased material does it contain? And have the tracks that aren't new been remixed in any way? I'd appreciate any impressions, however brief, you may have of this set. Thanks, Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28131 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Matthew Sawyer Sat 8/4/2001 3 KB 28134 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Deb H-J Sat 8/4/2001 2 KB 28138 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Feldon Feldon Sat 8/4/2001 3 KB 28137 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Feldon Feldon Sat 8/4/2001 4 KB 28139 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Julannparc@a... Sat 8/4/2001 2 KB 28140 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Feldon Feldon Sat 8/4/2001 2 KB 28141 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Julannparc@a... Sat 8/4/2001 2 KB 28176 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28184 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? glynn_naughton@h... Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sat Aug 4, 2001 11:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? From: 'Dennis Nigbur' > Just wondering if anyone on the list has this set. Is it worth > buying at the rather steep price of Ł45? How > much unreleased material does it contain? And have the t > racks that aren't new been remixed in any way? I'd appreciate > any impressions, however brief, you may have of this set. I was able to pick up the IBox for Ł25 last year and IMHO it still wasn't worth it. The studio tracks are the same remixes that appeared on Tangents. The live tracks sound (to my ears at least) just like the studio versions with a bit of live ambience added (you certainly won't hear a peep out of the audience, which does rather beg the question 'if it's live, where the bloody hell are they?'). The unreleased live tracks have all been heavily remixed to the point were I can't tell what concerts the tracks are supposed to come from. The Perth Tapes disc is the final insult; a couple of reworked Froese solo peices from the 80's spliced together with studio versions of Convention of the 24 and Mojave Plan. Not a single note of the actual concert. But don't let me discourage you ;-) Maff _______________________________________________________ www.mst3uk.com www.tachyon.ic24.net www.eclipsecafe.com From: 'Frank Stephen' Date: Sat Aug 4, 2001 1:35 pm Subject: Why shouldn't they play Buffalo? For days now, I have had to listen to the bemoaning that TD is not playing in Canada. IF they are skipping an entire country, could there be a reason why? Work visas? Taxes? Recently, Buffalo hosted a show by Jim Rome. Rome is a sports talk host in Los Angeles California. It was asked why he would hold it in Buffalo instead of Toronto. Somebody from the local station that promoted the show suggested that the expense of the work visa and the taxes on the show prohibited him from doing it in Toronto. Come on, they have played Toronto in 86, 88 and 92. How about you guys coming down the QEW to see them for a change. The show is on a Saturday. Also, you note about the metropolitan nature and population of Toronto. These shows are small. They are not trying to draw 20,000 fans. Does it really matter what the venue is if it only 1000 fans? They could hold in Toronto, Buffalo, Rochester....or any small town with an auditorium big enough to hold 1000. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28178 Re: Why shouldn't they play Buffalo? chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28198 Re: Why shouldn't they play Buffalo? Sean Montgomery Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB 28202 Re: Why shouldn't they play Buffalo? chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28204 Re: Why shouldn't they play Buffalo? Owens, James Tue 8/7/2001 4 KB 28251 Re: Why shouldn't they play Buffalo? Joe Shoults Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat Aug 4, 2001 2:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour date update on TD site -----Original Message----- From: Michael A Jean To: Tadreamonelist Date: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:11 PM Subject: [tadream] tour date update on TD site >DATE CITY VENUE CONFIRMED? >Oct 19th New York City BB King Blues Club NOT YET >Oct 20th Philadelphia, PA Theatre of Living Arts YES I won't ever go back to the TLA because they have removed all the seats! Perhaps a trip to NY is indicated... >Oct 30th Cleveland, OH The Odeon NOT YET I could visit family and friends in the Cleveland area but I'd probably have to go to the show alone. Oh well, if luck is with me, I'll be in Europe for the Hampshire Jam mini-festival. Cheers, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28177 Re: tour date update on TD site chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28212 Re: tour date update on TD site Feldon Feldon Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB From: Deb H-J Date: Sat Aug 4, 2001 2:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? Dennis: I owned about 10 other TD CDs when I ordered the 'I-Box' set, and I found it an interesting (if not complete) overview of the different periods in TD. In a number of cases, I bought other CDs based on tracks I liked on this one, sometimes to hear how the original compared with the 'I-Box' version. In most cases, like with 'White Eagle' and 'Logos', I listen the the full CD and seldom listen to 'I-Box' anymore. I'd say its a good introduction for new collectors, but probably a disappointment for seasoned fans who already have most of their works. I wish some of you who are so negative about collections like this would realize that maybe they do serve a purpose in introducing newer fans to some of their less accessible work? Huh? Do ya'? Deb H-J __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28138 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Feldon Feldon Sat 8/4/2001 3 KB From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 11:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The so-called end of TD I'm inclined to agree. The Empire is smaller than the nearby Hammersmith Apollo where the band always used to end their UK tours. But it does have a feature that the Apollo does not: standing room only in front of the stage. This makes for a different concert experience for those able to get tickets for the stalls as you can get right up close. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Nigbur To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The so-called end of TD Playing the Empire is, therefore, hardly any indication of the 'end' of the group. > > Dennis From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Fri Aug 3, 2001 10:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Live 1983 Excellent! Is my memeory correct but were we treated to 'Katowice' and 'Warsaw' as they appeared on the 'Dziekuje Poland' live album? T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Robert Ball To: Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 8:12 PM Subject: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Live 1983 > I also attended the Catford concert in April of 1983 and still have the > paper notes I wrote after the concert had finished. I agree it was a super > gig. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Walsh [mailto:tony.walsh@c...] > Sent: 25 July 2001 22:05 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: ks live osnabrueck > > 'Armin Theissen wrote on 20/7/01 9:09: I should have concentrated that > effort on KS. I saw him and Rainer Bloss two times around 83, and that was > really kick ass!' > > Indeed! I saw them on the Audentity tour in Catford, London in 1983 and this > still rates as one of the best gigs I've ever been to. > > T. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Feldon Feldon Date: Sat Aug 4, 2001 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? There's ~70 minutes worth of unreleased stuff and the rest is just pulled from Tangents/Dream Roots. The 'Perth' disc is a complete lie, as it's actually a 17 minute Edgar solo and then studio bits from White Eagle with awkward bridges. All of the 'new' tracks on the disc have major overdubs or are studio creations. Probably the gem on the box is the Werner Seelenbinder 1990 tour theme 'Longing for Cashba' followed by Edgar's 17 minute Solo (once you get over the infuriating labeling that claims its a Perth concert yet is not). Unfortunately, this most notable theme, the Werner Seelenbinder track, has sax and other stuff on top, and the all-important intro has been snipped off. All the tracks labeled 'live' on (if i recall correctly) the 4th disc are the original studio version with ambience and reverb added, not pulled from the concerts (And yes, there is plenty variation--you CAN tell the difference if youv'e heard enough concerts). If you've been patiently waiting for the Warsaw in the Sun 12' single to be released on CD (and you skipped Electronic Orgy), it's included as well. That might swing your decision on the $$. Here's a list of the rarities on i-Box: Warsaw in the Sun (12' version) 4:36 Akash Deep (1986 unreleased theme) 7:25 Exit-Pilots of Purple Twilight (86 version?) 4:32 Unicorn Saga (original unused Legend ending?) 3:57 Iguana (loosely based on unreleased 1988 tour theme) 5:34 Longing for Cashba (Werner-Seelenbinder 90 theme) 7:39 Ivory Town (unused Miracle Mile theme?) 4:35 Cat Scan (Studio alternate version) 5:36 Marakesh (Studio alternate version) 8:21 Cool Shibuya (EF Solo) 3:53 Storm Seekers (EF Solo) 5:27 'Perth' (EF Solo of Kamikaze 89, etc.) 18:00 When i-Box was running $25 on Amazon, it might have been worth it. It's not worth $65. -Morgan P.S. These are not all my notes. Heiko H. and others provided some of these notes. At 12:04 PM 8/4/2001 +0100, you wrote: >For the first time in ages, I browsed the TD catalogue in a HMV yesterday, and found, alongside the Dream Mixes III CD, which I ended up buying and taking home with me, the i-Box set. > >Just wondering if anyone on the list has this set. Is it worth buying at the rather steep price of Ł45? How much unreleased material does it contain? And have the tracks that aren't new been remixed in any way? I'd appreciate any impressions, however brief, you may have of this set. > >Thanks, > >Dennis From: Feldon Feldon Date: Sat Aug 4, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? Deb, that's what Tangents and Dream Roots collection are for. And each one had a single disc of rarities that we hadn't heard. So the diehard fans own every major released CD, AND we had to buy each box. Anyway, Dream Sequence is probably as good an introduction to Tangerine Dream as Tangents and Dream Roots. I-Box was supposed different, a 5 disc box of almost all rarities. Instead it's less than 1 disc worth of new stuff and it's all doctored. -Morgan At 07:24 AM 8/4/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Dennis: > >I owned about 10 other TD CDs when I ordered the >'I-Box' set, and I found it an interesting (if not >complete) overview of the different periods in TD. In >a number of cases, I bought other CDs based on tracks >I liked on this one, sometimes to hear how the >original compared with the 'I-Box' version. > >In most cases, like with 'White Eagle' and 'Logos', I >listen the the full CD and seldom listen to 'I-Box' >anymore. I'd say its a good introduction for new >collectors, but probably a disappointment for seasoned >fans who already have most of their works. > >I wish some of you who are so negative about >collections like this would realize that maybe they do >serve a purpose in introducing newer fans to some of >their less accessible work? Huh? Do ya'? > >Deb H-J > From: Julannparc@a... Date: Sat Aug 4, 2001 7:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? Come on TDI,lets have a box of REAL rarities. Signed The witch doctor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28140 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Feldon Feldon Sat 8/4/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Sat Aug 4, 2001 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? I was hoping for three 10 disc sets of 1974, 75, 76, 77, 80, 81, 82, 83, 86, 88, and 90 concerts. With the Ventura 92 concert as the last disc. Edgar, all I need is a week and a futon to sleep on a few hours a day :) -Morgan At 03:24 PM 8/4/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Come on TDI,lets have a box of REAL rarities. > Signed The witch doctor. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: Julannparc@a... Date: Sat Aug 4, 2001 7:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? Ho ho ho.Superb request feldon. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Sat Aug 4, 2001 9:02 pm Subject: VOICES IN THE DUNES - now on the net!!! Subject: VOICES IN THE DUNES - now on the net!!! VOICES-IN-THE-NET.DE The most comprehensive Tangerine Dream discography is on the internet now! More than ten years ago, it was 'Voices in the dunes' - now it is 'Voices in the net'. The most comprehensive Tangerine Dream discography has become available again, starting this Saturday, August, 3rd, 2001. 'Voices in the net' is an online discography which offers much more facts and features than the book released in 1990 - or an updated version of it - ever could do. But: 'Voices in the net' is not made of the book and some additions which have just been moved to the internet. The new discography is based on the facts of the book, on the facts included in the 'Dream Collector' magazine (1992-1999) and on many more information which have all been re-arranged for an online publication. This includes links between the listings and detail information as well as permanent updating. 'Voices in the net' is a name which stands for an idea that has been transformed to the possibilites of the new media. The project results from an idea of Michael Berling for reworking the data for an updated version of the book - a project which has been discussed at least until the late nineties. But considering the concept, we found out that just a printed re-release of the book would not make sense at this point of time, at least as long as TD are going on to publish several albums every year. Such an effort never would lead to a complete discography. And we also knew that we would have to take a commercial risk of several thousand Dollars if someone, ignoring the copyright, put an updated version of the book on the internet and we would not sell any more copies of the book. This lead us to the idea of making all the information available from our side via the internet. Thus, Michael Berling worked out a completely new discography, probably the most comprehensive data collection regarding TD which has been compiled ever. It is his own project and not the project of the former 'Voices in the dunes' authors Matt Hargreaves, Rolf Sonnemann and Peter Stoeferle. For the 'Voices in the net' online discography project, Siggi Lindhorst and Peter Stoeferle, both editors of the ceased Germany-based 'Dream Collector' magazine, have provided data, corrections on 'Voices in the dunes' and some hints regarding TD's development of the last decade. 'Voices in the net' is a work-in-process project, and the first version which has been put on the internet will give you an idea of the whole online discography. It contains all official albums, and this first version includes very detailed fact listings (releases and re-issues, countries, years, cover and label variations) for 'Electronic Meditation', 'Stratosfear', 'Poland' and 'Mars Polaris' to cover one record of each of TD's main periods. All similar data of all other records will be added subsequentally within the next weeks. Of course, all comments proposals, additions, critics and remarks from your side are welcome. We say so not only to emphasize the work-in-progress idea, but also to refer to our aim which is to provide the best TD discography that has ever been compiled. Go to: www.voices-in-the-net.de and see the results. Michael Berling, 'Voices in the net' editor and webmaster webmaster@v... Peter Stoeferle peter.stoeferle@t... Siegfried Lindhorst Fax: +49-4232-215 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28149 Re: VOICES IN THE DUNES - now on the net!!! Dennis Nigbur Sun 8/5/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Sat Aug 4, 2001 9:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] T Dream Mystery Track At 11:12 PM 7/27/2001 +1000, you wrote: >I need some help to identify a mystery track that appears in a recording I've got of Cleveland 86. It's clearly nothing to do with the Cleveland show, sounds as if it's possibly FFS 82 to 84, recorded in a German venue (going by the fan chatter and chanting). Volunteers? Well, Colin approached me on this a week ago and I can't place it. I'm not even sure it's TD, but it makes for an interesting puzzler. I've volunteered to host a snippet of the track on my server. It's less than 1 MB so it's fairly painless to download. Note that at the 46 second mark, I crossfade to the end sequence so you can hear more of the samples used. This may help to identify the track. Please download it here if you'd like to take a stab at it: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/TDMystery.mp3 -Morgan From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Sat Aug 4, 2001 11:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: tour date - Boynton --- goozer@a... wrote: > @^*(#&$!!! No Dallas date!! In fact, no date within 1000 miles > (give or take a few!) Now I have to choose between Boynton Beach > (dad lives in Wellington) I think you should go to the show in Boynton Beach... after all, it's the first show of the U.S. Tour, which should count for something, right? Speaking of which, I happen to manage the local music store in Boynton Beach and would love to find a way to cross-promote while they're in town. Anybody know how I can get some promotional materials to highlight the show and merchandise? I'll make sure I'm stocked up on the CDs, of course... Sold a copy of 'The Private Music...' today, in fact! Any suggestions? Can someone get word to the Froeses that a promotional in-store signing would be A-OK with me? :) Or maybe someone can put me on a guest list.... James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: quarlie@a... Date: Sun Aug 5, 2001 1:55 am Subject: Re: tour date update on TD site In a message dated 8/3/01 1:39:16 PM, jshoults@f... writes: >woohoo! ...although I hate the Odeon's acoustics - the place sucks. > >Scott - you ready? Gary? We got any other people coming to Cleveland? > >> > Oct 30th Cleveland, OH The Odeon NOT YET I'll make every effort to be there, even though it's going to be on a school night and my school is an hour and a half away from Cleveland. (I did the same for the Ozrics, and boy, was I tired in class the next day.) --Daniel NP: Wolfsheim--Spectators From: 'Miles MacMillan' Date: Sun Aug 5, 2001 5:49 am Subject: re:nudge curmudgeons Hi people, I had to reply to this statement, being one of the persons who complained about no Toronto date. tei waz wrote: > lemme see according to mapquest toronto is 101 miles from buffalo--that's > slightly shorter than the distance from where I live or from my work to the > fillmore in san francisco. In my case, I don't actually live in Toronto, but in North Bay, Ontario which is another 200 miles north of Toronto. For me, it would easily be a 6 or 7 hour drive one-way, which I can't pull off and be able to work the next day. Besides, I was just surprised they weren't playing in T.O. because not only would they get a great crowd in Toronto, they could almost certainly get some coverage on MuchMusic or MuchMoreMusic (Canada's versions of MTV or VH-1 I suppose) and reach a national audience not to mention an international audience, who get Much on satellite. I remember seeing a nice TD interview with Edgar, Jerome and Linda on MuchMusic a few years ago, so i'm sure they would be receptive to this again, although more likely on the MuchMoreMusic station now, which caters to an older crowd. Miles MacMillan P.S. No snow to worry about up here in North Bay either, tei waz! Not until November or December anyways. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sun Aug 5, 2001 3:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] nudge curmudgeons Listening to a CD is not the same as being in the same room with Edgar Froese without whom you would not have that wonderful music on the CD you're listening to. Am I guilty of hero worship? You betcha. Like Mr Jacoby, I, too, would be jumping up and down screaming right now if everybody else in the house weren't asleep because I just found out the band is coming to St Pete just 60 miles away from me. I'm not understanding the Janus Landing venue though. Unless it has added a concert hall since I was there eight years ago, this is going to be an outdoor concert. Let's hope it doesn't rain. 8-) Dell *****As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams.***** >Ultimately though, it comes down to this...if TD actually put on an >exciting live show, I'd consider going, but given what >their stage show amounts to these days, I'd be better off staying home and >listening to a CD. > > >-- >SEAN MONTGOMERY > >T O P I X / Mad Dog >http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to >http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Nicad@n... Date: Sun Aug 5, 2001 7:03 am Subject: Re: T Dream Mystery Track --- In tadream@y..., Feldon Feldon wrote: > At 11:12 PM 7/27/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >I need some help to identify a mystery track that appears in a recording > I've got of Cleveland 86. It's clearly nothing to do with the Cleveland > show, sounds as if it's possibly FFS 82 to 84, recorded in a German venue > (going by the fan chatter and chanting). Volunteers? > > Well, Colin approached me on this a week ago and I can't place it. I'm not > even sure it's TD, but it makes for an interesting puzzler. I've > volunteered to host a snippet of the track on my server. It's less than 1 > MB so it's fairly painless to download. This is actually Klaus Schulze not TD, the piece of music is Maxxi from the Jubilee set, disc 18 track 4. It was originally recorded in 1985 according to the jubille booklet. Although this piece is clearly Live and not the studio version that appears on the Jubilee set, never the less, this seems to be maxxi performed live!! Nick NP G.E.N.E / Fluting Paradise Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sun Aug 5, 2001 10:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] VOICES IN THE DUNES - now on the net!!! A fantastic site. I was going to have a quick look and ended up spending hours reading through some of the material. It answers many long-standing questions and raises some new ones... Thanks for putting it together! Dennis From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sun Aug 5, 2001 10:21 am Subject: A future that never happened Found this on the Voices on the Net site and found it intriguing: 'Edgar Froese: Then, my initial idea was that not Jerome and me will be going to continue the band one day, but Jerome and somebody else we did know very well. Both were prepared to take it over, but for such a kind of collaboration, they were too different in their musical aims and also in their character. Such a thing probably would not have worked. So I decided to continue with Tangerine Dream, it simply turned out to be still too early to retire (laughs).' Were we going to have a Jerome/Haslinger TD? Or who else could this person intimately familiar with Edgar and Jerome be? Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28160 Re: A future that never happened Owens, James Mon 8/6/2001 3 KB 28161 The Edgar/Chris feud glynn_naughton@h... Mon 8/6/2001 3 KB 28162 Re: The Edgar/Chris feud Matthew Stringer Mon 8/6/2001 2 KB 28164 Re: A future that never happened moxica@m... Mon 8/6/2001 4 KB 28306 Re: A future that never happened Armin Theissen Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB 28169 Re: A future that never happened Owens, James Mon 8/6/2001 4 KB 28199 Re: A future that never happened Sean Montgomery Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28207 Re: A future that never happened Owens, James Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB 28369 Re: A future that never happened Dennis Nigbur Fri 8/10/2001 5 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Aug 5, 2001 10:22 am Subject: Voices in the Net Excellent site, Michael and Peter (and others)! Looks very good and will be the most complete work. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Still have a copy of Voices in the Dunes though. :-) From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Aug 4, 2001 7:56 am Subject: Re : [tadream] tour date update on TD site The doors opened at 6pm at Shepherds Bush and everyone got thrown out at 10.30 (there was a curfew due to a private party afterwards!) Or could it be that Edgar just can't keep up with that all-night partying rockstar lifestyle any more :-° Paul > Those are some pretty early start times for a band with no opening act, eh? > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> Subject: [tadream] tour date update on TD site From: 'Coral Rumsey' Date: Sun Aug 5, 2001 4:36 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze live 1983 > I also attended the Catford concert in April of 1983 and still have the > paper notes I wrote after the concert had finished. I agree it was a super > gig Live in Catford? Surely he should have played Hunstanton in Norfolk on the same tour. Was the Catford venue called 'the Venue'? BTW Schulze/Bloss 'Drive Inn' - any good? I lost track of KS ('Dresden' & 'Recall' apart) after 'Dziekuje Poland' ta SF Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28154 Re: Klaus Schulze live 1983 odean@m... Sun 8/5/2001 2 KB 28156 Re: Klaus Schulze live 1983 ampmusic Sun 8/5/2001 3 KB 28157 Re: Klaus Schulze live 1983 Kevin Robert Ball Sun 8/5/2001 2 KB 28180 Re: Klaus Schulze live 1983 Tony Walsh Tue 8/7/2001 4 KB From: odean@m... Date: Sun Aug 5, 2001 9:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze live 1983 At 05:36 PM 8/5/01 +0100, you wrote: >BTW Schulze/Bloss 'Drive Inn' - any good? I lost track of KS ('Dresden' & >'Recall' apart) after 'Dziekuje Poland' > >ta > >SF A lot of the same music from the '83 tour and loaded with those faux orchestral 'hits' and cheesy drums. Not his best IMHO. 'O' From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Mon Aug 6, 2001 3:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] T Dream Mystery Track This mystery track also appears on my own tape from Cleveland 1986, as the last of 5 encores. However, as the first 4 are on side one of the tape, and the mystery track on side 2, there's no way of knowing if it's from the same concert or not (if encores 4 and 5 just blended together that would lend weight to it being from this show of course). I had always assumed it was from Cleveland as the sound quality seemed very similar to the rest of the show, and it more or less sounded like TD, even though with its heavy percussion, it's a very unusual track for them. I thought it might have been an experimental track, and they were performing it live to gauge audience reaction, but I guess that goes against Edgar's ethos of not paying attention to fans' opinions. I had always hoped it might have turned up on the Dream Encores CD, but of course it didn't. Maybe only EF, CF or PH could answer this one? - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon To: Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] T Dream Mystery Track > At 11:12 PM 7/27/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >I need some help to identify a mystery track that appears in a recording > I've got of Cleveland 86. It's clearly nothing to do with the Cleveland > show, sounds as if it's possibly FFS 82 to 84, recorded in a German venue > (going by the fan chatter and chanting). Volunteers? > > Well, Colin approached me on this a week ago and I can't place it. I'm not > even sure it's TD, but it makes for an interesting puzzler. I've > volunteered to host a snippet of the track on my server. It's less than 1 > MB so it's fairly painless to download. > > Note that at the 46 second mark, I crossfade to the end sequence so you can > hear more of the samples used. This may help to identify the track. > > Please download it here if you'd like to take a stab at it: > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/TDMystery.mp3 > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: ampmusic Date: Sun Aug 5, 2001 8:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze live 1983 You may be interested to hear that the cheesy orchestral hit, 'Orch 5', was created by Dave Vorhaus (White Noise), the first owner outside Australia of the Fairlight CMI, and added to its factory library. He has a recent CD out, 'White Noise 5 - Sound Mind' (no orchestral hits present). Info at; http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/whitenoise.html You can hear the same sound on some of the Jive era TD singles - slapped on by Jive engineers. TD never liked the Fairlight (too low-resolution). odean@m... wrote: > At 05:36 PM 8/5/01 +0100, you wrote: > >BTW Schulze/Bloss 'Drive Inn' - any good? I lost track of KS ('Dresden' & > >'Recall' apart) after 'Dziekuje Poland' > > > >ta > > > >SF > > A lot of the same music from the '83 tour and loaded with those faux > orchestral 'hits' and cheesy drums. Not his best IMHO. > > 'O' > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' Date: Sun Aug 5, 2001 9:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Klaus Schulze live 1983 The venue is (was) actually known as 'The Lewisham Town Hall'. -----Original Message----- From: Coral Rumsey [mailto:coral@c...] Sent: 05 August 2001 17:36 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Klaus Schulze live 1983 > I also attended the Catford concert in April of 1983 and still have the > paper notes I wrote after the concert had finished. I agree it was a super > gig Live in Catford? Surely he should have played Hunstanton in Norfolk on the same tour. Was the Catford venue called 'the Venue'? From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Sun Aug 5, 2001 9:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] T Dream Mystery Track Morgan wrote...... > Well, Colin approached me on this a week ago and I can't place it. I'm > not even sure it's TD, but it makes for an interesting puzzler. I've > volunteered to host a snippet of the track on my server. It's less than >1 MB so it's fairly painless to download. I have just uploaded the whole of the Schulze track entitled Maxxi from the jubilee set, if you want to listen to it, click on this link http://homepage.ntlworld.com/nicad/Schulze.mp3 and you will see that indeed the mystery track is Schulze...... BTW, it is quite big.......7 megs in fact Nick NP Ashok Prema / Electric Eyes of Man Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... ICQ 44174543 From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Mon Aug 6, 2001 7:25 am Subject: Re; VOICES IN THE DUNES - now on the net!!! Peter, Michael & Siegfried -- Congratulations! I'm sure it was a vast undertaking requiring untold amounts of that precious TD diehard 'labor of love!' I *keep* two copies of the original ('Voices in the Dunes') here in Berkeley... One has been stepped on, coffee spilled all over it, pencil marks throughout with numerous additions, corrections & notes and it's also dog eared on all eight corners. ~lol~ The other one is pristine, immaculate and mint! ;-) Best Regards, -- Al (Berkeley, CA / USA) NP: 'Live at Various Cathedrals' as played by TD. ________________ Peter wrote: > Subject: VOICES IN THE DUNES - now on the net!!! > > VOICES-IN-THE-NET.DE > The most comprehensive Tangerine Dream discography > is on the internet now! > > More than ten years ago, it was 'Voices in the dunes' - > now it is 'Voices in the net'. The most comprehensive > Tangerine Dream discography has become available > again, starting this Saturday, August, 3rd, 2001. > > 'Voices in the net' is an online discography which offers > much more facts and features than the book released in > 1990 - or an updated version of it - ever could do. But: > 'Voices in the net' is not made of the book and some > additions which have just been moved to the internet. > The new discography is based on the facts of the book, > on the facts included in the 'Dream Collector' magazine > (1992-1999) and on many more information which have > all been re-arranged > > for an online publication. This includes links between the > listings and detail information as well as permanent updating. > 'Voices in the net' is a name which stands for an idea that has > been transformed to the possibilites of the new media. [....] > > Go to: > > www.voices-in-the-net.de > > and see the results. > > Michael Berling, 'Voices in the net' editor and webmaster > webmaster@v... > > Peter Stoeferle > peter.stoeferle@t... > > Siegfried Lindhorst > Fax: +49-4232-215 ---------------------------------------------------- NetZero Platinum Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Aug 6, 2001 2:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] A future that never happened Jerome/Paul could have been an interesting combo, and considering the dark, rythmic stuff Haslinger puts out these days, mixed with the fun/upbeat rythmic style Jerome seems to have, it would have been very interesting. Both rely heavily on the use of samples so there would seem to be common ground anyway. It would make sense. I've read another interview where Edgar says (about Paul Haslinger) something like: 'We had planned to... but oh, well!' He seemed very fond of Paul, in sharp contrast to the bitterness he expresses toward Christoph. James > -----Original Message----- > Found this on the Voices on the Net site and found it intriguing: > > 'Edgar Froese: Then, my initial idea was that not Jerome and > me will be going to continue the band one day, but Jerome and > somebody else we did know very well. Both were prepared to > take it over, but for such a kind of collaboration, they were > too different in their musical aims and also in their > character. Such a thing probably would not have worked. So I > decided to continue with Tangerine Dream, it simply turned > out to be still too early to retire (laughs).' > > Were we going to have a Jerome/Haslinger TD? Or who else > could this person intimately familiar with Edgar and Jerome be? > > Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28161 The Edgar/Chris feud glynn_naughton@h... Mon 8/6/2001 3 KB 28162 Re: The Edgar/Chris feud Matthew Stringer Mon 8/6/2001 2 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Mon Aug 6, 2001 2:56 pm Subject: The Edgar/Chris feud >It would make sense. I've read another interview where Edgar says (about >Paul Haslinger) something like: >'We had planned to... but oh, well!' He seemed very fond of Paul, in sharp >contrast to the bitterness he expresses toward Christoph. > >James Yeah, it's a shame that such a productive partnership has become so sour, at least from Edgar's side. Most of his gripes against Chris seem to be nonsense anyway. He admitted that Chris bought his big Berlin studio with his own (earned-from-TD) money, then implied that by leaving, it was somehow wrong for Chris to deprive TD of said studio. By the same token, any employer has some claim to the things bought by their employees with their earnings. Maybe I'd better tell my boss that he can come round and use my computer once a week :-) He also complained about Chris playing the 'ex-member of TD' card when he started his solo career. Well, Chris had spent 17 years building up the name 'Tangerine Dream' rather than the name 'Chris Franke', and it seemed to me that what he did was perfectly OK, ie trade on the TD connection for the first couple of years, until he'd built up enough momentum on his own. Now, TD seems to be in the dim and distant past for Chris. I bet there are many people who've come to know him through Babylon 5 who have never heard of TD. It's interesting also that Chris's claim that he had done a higher percentage of the music while Edgar concentrated on the business dealings seriously pissed Edgar off. Funnily enough, Paul Haslinger said exactly the same thing about the Froese/Haslinger years. Then again, I wasn't there. Maybe Chris really *is* some kind of monster. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28162 Re: The Edgar/Chris feud Matthew Stringer Mon 8/6/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Aug 6, 2001 3:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Edgar/Chris feud On Monday 06 August 2001 3:56 pm, you wrote: > >It would make sense. I've read another interview where Edgar says > > (about > > >Paul Haslinger) something like: > >'We had planned to... but oh, well!' He seemed very fond of Paul, > > in sharp > > >contrast to the bitterness he expresses toward Christoph. > > > >James > > Yeah, it's a shame that such a productive partnership has become so > sour, at least from Edgar's side. Most of his gripes against Chris > seem to be nonsense anyway. I bet the biggest thing to piss Edgar off was the fact that when Chris left everyone said that TD had seriously gone downhill! Live Miles against Lily On The Beach? Hmmm I'd be pissed of too. Matt From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Mon Aug 6, 2001 3:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Edgar/Chris feud I wonder if Ed and Chris ever got on ? I remember reading an interview with Ed (think it was in sound on sound) and he said that he only ever socialised with Chris *once* in the whole time they were together, and that event was organised by his girlfreind . There was an age gap of around 9 years as well, and Ed does talk a load of old tosh most of the time . You cant blame Chris for using the 'ex TD' thing as he probably wrote about 80% of their music anyway . I wonder how TD would have sounded if he had never joined ? No sequence lines at all maybe? I kinda think Chris got TD to where they are ..erm were ! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:56 PM Subject: [tadream] The Edgar/Chris feud > >It would make sense. I've read another interview where Edgar says > (about > >Paul Haslinger) something like: > >'We had planned to... but oh, well!' He seemed very fond of Paul, > in sharp > >contrast to the bitterness he expresses toward Christoph. > > > >James > > Yeah, it's a shame that such a productive partnership has become so > sour, at least from Edgar's side. Most of his gripes against Chris > seem to be nonsense anyway. He admitted that Chris bought his big > Berlin studio with his own (earned-from-TD) money, then implied that > by leaving, it was somehow wrong for Chris to deprive TD of said > studio. By the same token, any employer has some claim to the things > bought by their employees with their earnings. Maybe I'd better tell > my boss that he can come round and use my computer once a week :-) > > He also complained about Chris playing the 'ex-member of TD' card > when he started his solo career. Well, Chris had spent 17 years > building up the name 'Tangerine Dream' rather than the name 'Chris > Franke', and it seemed to me that what he did was perfectly OK, ie > trade on the TD connection for the first couple of years, until he'd > built up enough momentum on his own. Now, TD seems to be in the dim > and distant past for Chris. I bet there are many people who've come > to know him through Babylon 5 who have never heard of TD. > > It's interesting also that Chris's claim that he had done a higher > percentage of the music while Edgar concentrated on the business > dealings seriously pissed Edgar off. Funnily enough, Paul Haslinger > said exactly the same thing about the Froese/Haslinger years. > > Then again, I wasn't there. Maybe Chris really *is* some kind of > monster. > > Glynn > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28165 Re: The Edgar/Chris feud ampmusic Mon 8/6/2001 4 KB 28181 Re: The Edgar/Chris feud chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28173 Re: The Edgar/Chris feud Frank Arellano Tue 8/7/2001 5 KB 28174 Re: Newcastle Nov 2 1980 Concert Feldon Feldon Tue 8/7/2001 4 KB 28182 Re: The Edgar/Chris feud jowers Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB 28278 Re: The Edgar/Chris feud moxica@m... Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB 28307 Re: The Edgar/Chris feud Dennis Nigbur Thu 8/9/2001 3 KB 28370 Re: The Edgar/Chris feud Dennis Nigbur Fri 8/10/2001 3 KB 28372 Re: The Edgar/Chris feud Armin Theissen Fri 8/10/2001 3 KB From: moxica@m... Date: Mon Aug 6, 2001 3:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] A future that never happened I thought that Paul left Europe to avoid serving in the military. ----Original Message----- >From: 'Owens, James' >To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Subj: RE: [tadream] A future that never happened >Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:31 AM > >Jerome/Paul could have been an interesting combo, and considering the dark, >rythmic stuff Haslinger puts out these days, mixed with the fun/upbeat >rythmic style Jerome seems to have, it would have been very interesting. >Both rely heavily on the use of samples so there would seem to be common >ground anyway. > >It would make sense. I've read another interview where Edgar says (about >Paul Haslinger) something like: >'We had planned to... but oh, well!' He seemed very fond of Paul, in sharp >contrast to the bitterness he expresses toward Christoph. > >James > >> -----Original Message----- >> Found this on the Voices on the Net site and found it intriguing: >> >> 'Edgar Froese: Then, my initial idea was that not Jerome and >> me will be going to continue the band one day, but Jerome and >> somebody else we did know very well. Both were prepared to >> take it over, but for such a kind of collaboration, they were >> too different in their musical aims and also in their >> character. Such a thing probably would not have worked. So I >> decided to continue with Tangerine Dream, it simply turned >> out to be still too early to retire (laughs).' >> >> Were we going to have a Jerome/Haslinger TD? Or who else >> could this person intimately familiar with Edgar and Jerome be? >> >> Dennis > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28306 Re: A future that never happened Armin Theissen Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Mon Aug 6, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Edgar/Chris feud glynn_naughton@h... wrote: > >It would make sense. I've read another interview where Edgar says > (about Paul Haslinger) something like: 'We had planned to... but oh, well!' He seemed very fond of Paul, > in sharp contrast to the bitterness he expresses toward Christoph. > > > >James > > Yeah, it's a shame that such a productive partnership has become so > sour, at least from Edgar's side. Most of his gripes against Chris > seem to be nonsense anyway. He admitted that Chris bought his big > Berlin studio with his own (earned-from-TD) money, then implied that > by leaving, it was somehow wrong for Chris to deprive TD of said > studio. You're right - TD members were more or less obliged to put a vast percentage of their earnings back into gear, probably to their personal detriment for a long time. > He also complained about Chris playing the 'ex-member of TD' card > when he started his solo career. Well, Chris had spent 17 years > building up the name 'Tangerine Dream' rather than the name 'Chris > Franke', and it seemed to me that what he did was perfectly OK, ie > trade on the TD connection for the first couple of years, until he'd > built up enough momentum on his own. Spot on. In fact CF's first solo 'Pacific Coast Highway' didn't even have a reference to TD on it - though I think the record label added an 'Ex-TD member' label as a sticker. And it didn't even sound (much) like TD, so couldn't even be accused of trying to pinch their fans. > It's interesting also that Chris's claim that he had done a higher > percentage of the music while Edgar concentrated on the business > dealings seriously pissed Edgar off. Funnily enough, Paul Haslinger > said exactly the same thing about the Froese/Haslinger years. The latter is definitely true. From Haslinger's solo works, you can hear that within TD he suppressed his own leanings towards more experimental work and very much got on with the job. And he probably gave a few months notice when he was leaving, so that's why he remains a bit more popular with EF :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28181 Re: The Edgar/Chris feud chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Aug 6, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: RE: haslinger's departure >and he probably gave a few months notice from what I heard (2nd-hand from someone at Atari), Paul basically got in a fight with edgar (probably over his departure) and got on a plane and left. --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28167 Re: haslinger's departure Michael Jean Mon 8/6/2001 3 KB 28168 Re: haslinger's departure ampmusic Mon 8/6/2001 3 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Mon Aug 6, 2001 6:18 pm Subject: [tadream] RE: haslinger's departure Wasn't there a long Haslinger interview in a old issue of Beyond the Horizon? Maybe there are some clues in there... Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu >>> teiwazbarana@h... 08/06/01 02:15PM >>> >and he probably gave a few months notice from what I heard (2nd-hand from someone at Atari), Paul basically got in a fight with edgar (probably over his departure) and got on a plane and left. --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: ampmusic Date: Mon Aug 6, 2001 7:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: haslinger's departure Ooooooops well...who knows? I spent a lot of time with Paul and he is extremely easy going. But of course Edgar could drive even a saint to extremes :-) tei waz wrote: > >and he probably gave a few months notice > > from what I heard (2nd-hand from someone at Atari), Paul basically got in a > fight with edgar (probably over his departure) and got on a plane and left. > > --tei > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Aug 6, 2001 6:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] A future that never happened That's the understanding I have, but that doesn't mean that Edgar was happy about him leaving. The general gist of the quote was that Edgar was pining for the future that he had planned for TD with Paul as a part of it. There was no mention is THAT article hinting to what that future might have been, but after reading the quote that started this discussion, I can see the pieces starting to fit together: 1. Paul joins the band 2. Chris quits, DEVASTATING Edgar. Edgar acts like a spurned lover. 3. Edgar pulls himself together and hires another 3rd member. 4. Ralf Wadephul doesn't work out, so Edgar/Paul decide to stay a duo. 5. Jerome steps in with some studio work for Lily. 6. The fact that Jerome has become a musician in his own right gets Edgar thinking. 7. Edgar asks Jerome to join, thinking of staying on a bit, then leaving Jerome and Paul with the family business. 8. Paul says, 'I have to leave, or they'll draft me in the military'. Edgar doesn't want to move to L.A., so they part ways. 9. Edgar decides to keep the business 'in the family' for a while, and not retire just yet. When we DO see TD add a 3rd member, THAT'S when Edgar is starting to think retirement again. Until then, it won't happen. > -----Original Message----- > From: moxica@m... [mailto:moxica@m...] > I thought that Paul left Europe to avoid serving in the military. > > ----Original Message----- >>From: 'Owens, James' >>It would make sense. I've read another interview where Edgar >>says (about Paul Haslinger) something like: >>'We had planned to... but oh, well!' >>> -----Original Message----- >>> 'Edgar Froese: Then, my initial idea was that not Jerome and >>> me will be going to continue the band one day, but Jerome and >>> somebody else we did know very well. Both were prepared to >>> take it over, but for such a kind of collaboration, they were >>> too different in their musical aims and also in their >>> character. Such a thing probably would not have worked. So I >>> decided to continue with Tangerine Dream, it simply turned >>> out to be still too early to retire (laughs).' >>> >>> Were we going to have a Jerome/Haslinger TD? Or who else >>> could this person intimately familiar with Edgar and Jerome be? >>> >>> Dennis From: 'Coral Rumsey' Date: Mon Aug 6, 2001 9:34 pm Subject: the making of 'White Eagle' Long shot but anybody got any info about the making of 'WE' beyond the bald 'recorded January 1982 Berlin'? It's one of my favourites so any circumstantial stuff around it is appreciated. I've got the tape of 'Mojave Plan' done with orchestra the previous month on German TV - I think they did the right thing leaving the orch off until the very end on the record. Were any of the other pieces premiered live before the studio-date? thanks SF [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28171 Re: the making of 'White Eagle' ampmusic Mon 8/6/2001 3 KB 28172 Re: the making of 'White Eagle' Michael A Jean Mon 8/6/2001 3 KB From: ampmusic Date: Mon Aug 6, 2001 10:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] the making of 'White Eagle' The 'Rock & Classic Night' show with the orchestra conducted by Eberhard Schoener also featured another TD track done 'straight', without the orchestra - mimed, I think. Also around that time there was a cassette with one of the UK tech magazines showing how individual samples from White Eagle tracks were combined into the finished piece, and an interview. I should have a copy somewhere :-) Coral Rumsey wrote: > Long shot but anybody got any info about the making of 'WE' beyond the bald 'recorded January 1982 Berlin'? It's one of my favourites so any circumstantial stuff around it is appreciated. I've got the tape of 'Mojave Plan' done with orchestra the previous month on German TV - I think they did the right thing leaving the orch off until the very end on the record. Were any of the other pieces premiered live before the studio-date? > > thanks > > SF Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28172 Re: the making of 'White Eagle' Michael A Jean Mon 8/6/2001 3 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 12:29 am Subject: RE: [tadream] the making of 'White Eagle' I recall a tape of combining the tracks for Hyperborea, rather than White Eagle... > -----Original Message----- > From: ampmusic [mailto:tadream@a...] > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:51 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] the making of 'White Eagle' > > > The 'Rock & Classic Night' show with the orchestra conducted by > Eberhard Schoener also featured another TD track done 'straight', > without the orchestra - mimed, I think. Also around that time > there was a cassette with one of the UK tech magazines showing > how individual samples from White Eagle tracks were combined into > the finished piece, and an interview. I should have a copy somewhere :-) > > > Coral Rumsey wrote: > > > Long shot but anybody got any info about the making of 'WE' > beyond the bald 'recorded January 1982 Berlin'? It's one of my > favourites so any circumstantial stuff around it is appreciated. > I've got the tape of 'Mojave Plan' done with orchestra the > previous month on German TV - I think they did the right thing > leaving the orch off until the very end on the record. Were any > of the other pieces premiered live before the studio-date? > > > > thanks > > > > SF > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 12:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Edgar/Chris feud Yeah, I remember reading Paul Stump's 'Digital Gothic' that Edgar and Chris only went to the other person's house 'once'. I couldn't believe or imagine such a thing in so many years ! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Lawler' To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] The Edgar/Chris feud > I wonder if Ed and Chris ever got on ? I remember reading an interview with > Ed (think it was in sound on sound) and he said that he only ever socialised > with Chris *once* in the whole time they were together, and that event was > organised by his girlfreind . > There was an age gap of around 9 years as well, and Ed does talk a load of > old tosh most of the time . You cant blame Chris for using the 'ex TD' thing > as he probably wrote about 80% of their music anyway . > I wonder how TD would have sounded if he had never joined ? > No sequence lines at all maybe? > I kinda think Chris got TD to where they are ..erm were ! > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:56 PM > Subject: [tadream] The Edgar/Chris feud > > > > >It would make sense. I've read another interview where Edgar says > > (about > > >Paul Haslinger) something like: > > >'We had planned to... but oh, well!' He seemed very fond of Paul, > > in sharp > > >contrast to the bitterness he expresses toward Christoph. > > > > > >James > > > > Yeah, it's a shame that such a productive partnership has become so > > sour, at least from Edgar's side. Most of his gripes against Chris > > seem to be nonsense anyway. He admitted that Chris bought his big > > Berlin studio with his own (earned-from-TD) money, then implied that > > by leaving, it was somehow wrong for Chris to deprive TD of said > > studio. By the same token, any employer has some claim to the things > > bought by their employees with their earnings. Maybe I'd better tell > > my boss that he can come round and use my computer once a week :-) > > > > He also complained about Chris playing the 'ex-member of TD' card > > when he started his solo career. Well, Chris had spent 17 years > > building up the name 'Tangerine Dream' rather than the name 'Chris > > Franke', and it seemed to me that what he did was perfectly OK, ie > > trade on the TD connection for the first couple of years, until he'd > > built up enough momentum on his own. Now, TD seems to be in the dim > > and distant past for Chris. I bet there are many people who've come > > to know him through Babylon 5 who have never heard of TD. > > > > It's interesting also that Chris's claim that he had done a higher > > percentage of the music while Edgar concentrated on the business > > dealings seriously pissed Edgar off. Funnily enough, Paul Haslinger > > said exactly the same thing about the Froese/Haslinger years. > > > > Then again, I wasn't there. Maybe Chris really *is* some kind of > > monster. > > > > Glynn > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28174 Re: Newcastle Nov 2 1980 Concert Feldon Feldon Tue 8/7/2001 4 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 7:21 am Subject: Re: Newcastle Nov 2 1980 Concert Newcastle City Hall November 2, 1980 I periodically stumble upon a concert recording. Sometimes I think I've heard just about everything when something 'new' comes and smacks me. Well, that 'new' recording is the Newcastle Nov 2nd 1980 concert. Does anyone know anything about this? I've got a handful of concerts from the same tour and I can tell you this concert is almost completely improvised. I know it's the real thing because they do play most of the songs played at other venues of this tour, especially Diamond Diary, Antennenwald (SoD) and Edgar's Solo- Kamikaze 89-Unexpected Death theme. I'm really curious about this concert as bits that usually lasted 6-8 minutes at the other venues stretch on to some 20-30 minutes at this show. Honestly, it's a bit boring! I have to wonder if maybe right before or during the show, some of their equipment failed. Something to support this notion is that the ending of the second set of the concert was the oft-used Force Majeure theme. I've heard this a thousand times on different 81 and 82 concerts. However this time, there's this out of tune, buzzy sound that's out of key of the music and it sounds like someone is struggling to get it to adjust to the needed note, as it follows behind the music with random durations. Surely this can't be an overdub by the producers of the bootleg can it? Incidentially, I sometimes find a recording so badly in need of help that I will try to work with the music using the primitive tools available to me (namely SoundForge). Even though the label states this release is Remastered, both halves of the concert needed work. Disc/Set 1 was 1.3 semitones too slow, 6dB too quiet, and had nearly 2 minutes of fluff at the beginning plus some nasty tape pops. I fixed all this. Disc/Set 2 was 4.5dB too quiet. Can't do much about gaps here. I at least faded out the clipped-off ending. The piano solo near the end of the second set seems to set new records for creativity, and the guitar work by Edgar in set one goes on and on and on, perhaps setting a duration record (the performance isn't bad either!). I wonder if there are any stories, reports, or backstory on this concert and what, if any, unusual occurences took place. -Morgan From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 6:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream]Valley of the Sun (was: Re: 2 Cd set of 1995) On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:14:44 -0500 'Owens, James' writes: > The tracks on the Dream Roots CD5 are ones that Edgar >and Chris (mostly Chris?) recorded in the studio during the >interim after Schmoelling left the group and before Haslinger >joined. Evidently they were shelved for later use while the >new trio got used to playing with each other. Where did you hear or read that? Steven Feldman http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/tadream1.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: chris towers Date: Sun Aug 5, 2001 6:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? Hi all, yeah deb i totally agree with you, after all, the track listings on the I Box are there for you too look at. If you have the material already and you dont want it all again, then DONT BUY IT. Rather than buy it and do nothing but complain...... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28184 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? glynn_naughton@h... Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28187 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28208 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? glynn_naughton@h... Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28210 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Sun Aug 5, 2001 6:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] tour date update on TD site Surely its the Band you are going to see and the Music you are going to appreciate it, not the decor of the building or whether your sat down or not. Once the show commences i dont think youll care if your sat or standing, i didnt.... Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28212 Re: tour date update on TD site Feldon Feldon Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB From: chris towers Date: Sun Aug 5, 2001 6:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Why shouldn't they play Buffalo? I suppose if they held it at a venue next door to you, you would be over the moon with joy, and all the people would be crying elsewhere because its not near to them, never ending circle. If your a big enough fan, then travel.... its all worth it Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: chris towers Date: Sun Aug 5, 2001 6:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? Hi Dennis, yes mate the set is well worth having. Despite all the humming and aaarrringg you hear on here, it is a good package. Some of the music you will have heard before but all in all it is very good to listen too, dont be discouraged. Im in Kent by the way... See them at Shepherds Bush this year?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Sun Aug 5, 2001 10:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze live 1983 I've always referred to it as 'The Lewisham Concert Hall'. Either way, it was (is) a civic theatre. As I recall, the tour was short. 4 dates, I think. The only other date in the south being at Hatfield which, I think, may have been at the Polytechnic. With all the talk of the smaller venues TD are due to play in the States, maybe they should have a look take a look at our civic theatres for the next tour of the UK ;) Tony. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Robert Ball To: Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Klaus Schulze live 1983 > The venue is (was) actually known as 'The Lewisham Town Hall'. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Coral Rumsey [mailto:coral@c...] > Sent: 05 August 2001 17:36 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Klaus Schulze live 1983 > > > > I also attended the Catford concert in April of 1983 and still have the > > paper notes I wrote after the concert had finished. I agree it was a super > > gig > > Live in Catford? Surely he should have played Hunstanton in Norfolk on the > same tour. Was the Catford venue called 'the Venue'? > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: chris towers Date: Mon Aug 6, 2001 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Edgar/Chris feud Why is everybody talking about the love and hate relationships, i mean its past, its history. Why is everybody analising friendhips, why cant we all just sit back, relax and enjoy the output from the band, after all isnt that whats most important?? Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: jowers Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 3:58 am Subject: Re: The Edgar/Chris feud >Yeah, I remember reading Paul Stump's 'Digital Gothic' that Edgar and Chris >only went to the other person's house 'once'. I couldn't believe or >imagine such a thing in so many years ! You know the more I read this thread the more I'm reminded of the similarities between Edgar/Chris and Roger Waters/David Gilmour. I mean it's common knowledge there was no lost love between the two as far back as 'Dark Side Of The Moon'. But they continued to make great music together for a few more years and now they are as far apart as any human beings can be. Kevin From: PENFOLD Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 8:29 am Subject: OT: T Minus 20 days It's T Minus 20 days to that thing in the Nevada desert. http://www.burningman.com DJ DreamHead will be there spinning TD on three nights (08/28, 08/29 & 08/31) One hopes and is optimistic that there's a fellow listizen on the playa of the Black Rock Desert to hook up with. If you happen to be one of those Desert Freaks, email me off-list to make arrangements. Pete aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 8:56 am Subject: Re: Is the i-Box worth having? --- In tadream@y..., chris towers wrote: > Hi all, yeah deb i totally agree with you, after all, > the track listings on the I Box are there for you too > look at. If you have the material already and you dont > want it all again, then DONT BUY IT. Rather than buy > it and do nothing but complain...... > The problem is that the track listing is wrong and dishonest. What's listed on the box is not what's on the CDs. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28187 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28208 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? glynn_naughton@h... Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28210 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 8:21 am Subject: Paul and military >8. Paul says, 'I have to leave, or they'll draft me in the military'. >Edgar doesn't want to move to L.A., so they part ways. The austrian Bundesheer doesn't draft Austrians living abroad, and this doesn't mean any problems for the non-draftees, like not being able to enter Austria. An adress in Berlin (or across the Danube from Vienna, in Bratislava) would have fixed THAT problem. klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28186 Re: Paul and military Paul Lawler Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB 28209 Re: Paul and military glynn_naughton@h... Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28200 Re: Paul and military Owens, James Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 11:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Paul and military I seem to remember Ed saying that Paul left partly because of health problems as well, so he had to be near the sea . I`m sure Paul just felt like making some real money for a change as well . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) ----- Original Message ----- From: Klaus Beschorner To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 9:21 AM Subject: [tadream] Paul and military > >8. Paul says, 'I have to leave, or they'll draft me in the military'. > >Edgar doesn't want to move to L.A., so they part ways. > > The austrian Bundesheer doesn't draft Austrians living abroad, and > this doesn't mean any problems for the non-draftees, like not > being able to enter Austria. An adress in Berlin (or across the > Danube from Vienna, in Bratislava) would have fixed THAT problem. > > klaus > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28209 Re: Paul and military glynn_naughton@h... Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 12:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Well i have the I- Box and all my tracklistings are the same as whats on the Cds, maybe you got a one off defunct copy maybe????? :-) Anyone else got different music to whats written down? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28208 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? glynn_naughton@h... Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28210 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 12:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? > Well i have the I- Box and all my tracklistings are > the same as whats on the Cds, maybe you got a one off > defunct copy maybe????? :-) > > Anyone else got different music to whats written down? I don't think someone has a mispressed version or anything in that direction. Maybe he meant the fact that some pieces are not really from live concerts because they were never performed on any of those tours. Then again there are some live tracks which have additional studio overdubs ('Akash deep' etc.) And I still would like to hear the Perth Festival Hall 1982 concert as it really happened, because the first 10-15 minutes of CD6 sound totally different than what one can hear on the Sydney 22.02.82 and Melbourne 01.03.82 performances, and from 1980 onwards TD's repertoire during a concert tour was always the same, because much of the music had to be pre-programmed. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28190 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28214 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Feldon Feldon Tue 8/7/2001 4 KB From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Mon Aug 6, 2001 10:10 pm Subject: Is it Live Or Is It Memorex? Hey there all, I just wanted to ask something I'm SURE has been covered here most likely multiple times. But with the current tour kicking around in the US these days (or about ready to start), I've never seen TD live, and regardless of HOW FAR they are from my house, I'm going to hit at least two of the closest gigs I can hit somewhere around Michigan, BUT I'm just curious WHAT to expect? I've been buying TD related material the last 5 years, and have no clue what to expect out of a LIVE SHOW? Or at the same time, how long of a show they do? Any great special effects? Dancing naked women? Bombs going off? Techno and pyro? JUST KIDDING :) HEHEHEHE. Sorry, had to ask. But seriously, is it LIVE or memorex? I'm assuming these days MOST bands have somewhat backing tracks, loops, or synth or sequencing, but wasn't sure HOW MUCH TD had to lean on this type of technology? obviously being keyboard/synth related, etc, I figured there would be some, but didn't know how much. And another question. What else do they use (if anything) as for a band? Drums? Guitars, etc? Sorry for the kinda dumb questions, BUT again I'd always like to know what I'M looking at when I go. SURE, the 'surprise' would be kinda neat, but I'd be somewhat fearful of going 'what the HELL IS THIS' and not knowing what I was looking at! appreciate the help, thanks. dan P.S. HOW many shows are the guys playing in the US? And is this tour like a one off thing, where we might not see them again for 10 years? Kayleighs Playhouse - Live Online http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com The ULTIMATE 80s Mailing List - 80sPopMusic FOUND HERE!!! http://www.yahoogroups.com Contact me: AOL IM (winnietiggerfan) or MSN Messenger!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28191 Re: Is it Live Or Is It Memorex? chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28194 Re: Is it Live Or Is It Memorex? Matthew Stringer Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28196 Re: Is it Live Or Is It Memorex? Matthew Sawyer Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB 28203 Re: Is it Live Or Is It Memorex? chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28215 Re: Is it Live Or Is It Memorex? Feldon Feldon Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28250 Re: TDREAM Live Kevin Robert Ball Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28216 Re: Is it Live Or Is It Memorex? Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Hi there Heiko, yeah i can understand what your saying, but the fact is, its TD, does it matter what the piece of music is called, or whether there is a slight difference between origionals and live versions, surely its there to enjoy. do you agree?? And yes if there is another version im all up for rooting it out like you with the Perth concerts, but at the end of the Day on all the Compilation Box sets, there is a track listing, does it matter if its live or studio?? if you already have the material and you really are against it, then dont buy it?? what do you think???? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 12:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is it Live Or Is It Memorex? Hi there, nice name by the way??? Well as far as your TD shows go in the US mate youll enjoy them, just recently as you well know they have gone more for the dance club scene, not my thing really to be honest. I have seen TD live 6 times now, first back in 81 at the age of 11, just 2 years ago i saw the Mars Polaris concert in onsnabrueck and then again in May just gone in London. They are superb live, it is an experience. Stage wise youll have Egdar and Jerome on Keyboards (unlikely to play guitar), there is a drummer to the Right of Edgar, and i have been informed by Gerald Gradwohl himself he will be accomanying TD on Guitars. You will enjoy it, they just sit there and do the business, good show, good lightshow, good sounds...Hope you enjoy Regards Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 1:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? > Hi there Heiko, yeah i can understand what your > saying, but the fact is, its TD, does it matter what > the piece of music is called, or whether there is a > slight difference between origionals and live > versions, surely its there to enjoy. do you agree?? Well, not a 100%. I guess it's entirely my problem because I'm a big fan of their live recordings, I know their concert music inside out and in some cases I like it more than what they did in the studio. Edgar's way of releasing unpublished live material can sometimes be a bit frustrating (see 'Soundmill Navigator' with the mastering flaw, not to mention the many overdubs), but in some cases it really adds something to the music which was missing before. > if you already have the material and you really are against it, then dont buy it?? 'if you don't like it don't buy it' ..if it would be so simple!! Tangerine Dream is just too good to release an album which no-one wants to buy. About 2-3 years ago I made an entry to the TD guestbook and said something like 'TD is like good wine, it has to ripen and gets better each year'. And it's true, never trust your first reaction when you listen to an album. 10 years ago I thought that 'Rockoon' was utter crap, it went so far that I lost interest in TD for a couple of years. When i listen to it now I think it's a very good album with nice melodies from start to finish. I don't think that this has answered your question(s), but anyway..;-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28206 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 1:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? From: 'chris towers' > does it matter if its live > or studio?? Er... Yes! If it's labelled as 'Live', I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to expect at least one note from the live performace to be included! Chris, I'm curious. Doesn't it bother you, even a little, that when Edgar was putting together the IBox, instead of dusting down the live tapes (and hey, maybe adding a few overdubs. It's his music, I won't begrudge him some tinkering if he insists), he just spliced together studio tracks and said 'screw 'em'? Maff _______________________________________________________ www.mst3uk.com www.tachyon.ic24.net www.eclipsecafe.com From: Matthew Stringer Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 1:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is it Live Or Is It Memorex? Unfortunately it's usually Memorex. From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Sawyer To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? > From: 'chris towers' > > > > does it matter if its live > > or studio?? > > Er... Yes! If it's labelled as 'Live', I don't think it's entirely unreasonable > to expect at least one note from the live performace to be included! > > Chris, I'm curious. Doesn't it bother you, even a little, that when Edgar was > putting together the IBox, instead of dusting down the live tapes (and hey, > maybe adding a few overdubs. It's his music, I won't begrudge him some tinkering > if he insists), he just spliced together studio tracks and said 'screw 'em'? > > I dont even have the IBox but it makes my blood boil when I read about it . I cant believe the arrogance of TDI . I also cant believe the attitude of people who say Well aren`t you just glad to have another TD album in your collection . What the F**k is that all about ??? If a salesman sold you washing machine but it turned out to be a fridge when you got it home would you say .'Oh well thats OK lets just enjoy the extra space to put the milk'. Fair enough if you dont have the tracks on the album and you want an introduction to TD, but if people are buying it to hear 'live' mixes and re-mixes etc, then thats what they should get . rant over !!! Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28205 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 2:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is it Live Or Is It Memorex? From: 'winnie the pooh' > appreciate the help, thanks. If you're expecting pyrotechnics, lightshows and a great visual feast, prepare to be disapointed. I don't think TD have ever been interested in producing a great spectacle on stage (didn't they play some gigs with their backs to the audience once?). At the Shepherds Bush concert in May Iris was certainly giving it her all but Jerome just stood behind the keyboard impassively and Edgar was virtually unconcious. The music on the other hand was great, and while a fair slice of it was certainly not being played live, I didn't leave the concert feeling at all disapointed. They do still put on a great show. Maff _______________________________________________________ www.mst3uk.com www.tachyon.ic24.net www.eclipsecafe.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28203 Re: Is it Live Or Is It Memorex? chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28215 Re: Is it Live Or Is It Memorex? Feldon Feldon Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28250 Re: TDREAM Live Kevin Robert Ball Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 3:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream]Valley of the Sun (was: Re: 2 Cd set of 1995) I believe the part about them coming from the time between Schmoelling and Haslinger is in the liner notes for Dream Roots. I deduced the reasons for not using the material at that time from various interviews and so forth. > -----Original Message----- > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:14:44 -0500 'Owens, James' > writes: > > > The tracks on the Dream Roots CD5 are ones that Edgar > >and Chris (mostly Chris?) recorded in the studio during the > >interim after Schmoelling left the group and before Haslinger > >joined. Evidently they were shelved for later use while the > >new trio got used to playing with each other. > > Where did you hear or read that? > > Steven Feldman From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Why shouldn't they play Buffalo? Frank Stephen wrote: > For days now, I have had to listen to the bemoaning that TD is not playing > in Canada. IF they are skipping an entire country, could there be a reason > why? Work visas? Taxes? That was my assumption, and I said so. But they must be pretty big disincentives. The people who are chastising me for suggesting that a two hour drive down the highway is too much to ask are missing the content of my arguments. This isn't about my own selfish needs...I'm looking at this from a business standpoint. The point of touring is to promote your band, and play for as many of your fans as possible. And that's *why* they played Toronto in 77, 86, 88 and 92. Skipping the city now doesn't make sense because a) the Toronto - and by extention, the Canadian - media are not going to cover TDs show in Buffalo. b) The Toronto metro area represents a market of over five million potential fans, who have supported the band in the past c) A small club show in Buffalo is not going to be advertised in Toronto, so most TD fans here won't even know they're playing nearby. These same points apply in the case of Montreal vs Rochester. I'm not saying that TD *shouldn't* play in smaller markets like Buffalo, it's just that passing by the larger ones strikes me as being a questionable move. Of course, it could just be that TDI doesn't give a crap about our puny Canadian market. Because they certainly haven't made much effort to get their releases in our stores...and when they do show up, there's only one copy, and they cost twice as much as regular new releases. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28202 Re: Why shouldn't they play Buffalo? chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A future that never happened 'Owens, James' wrote: > 7. Edgar asks Jerome to join, thinking of staying on a bit, then leaving > Jerome and Paul with the family business. Here's another scenario: might Paul have felt somewhat uncomfortable living in what had become a Froese family compact, with Edgar, Monica, Jerome and Anja? Creatively stifled, psychologically left out? Just speculating.... -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 3:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Paul and military That's good info. The info about Paul dodging the draft led me to believe that the only way out was to immigrate. The TD webpage 'Colleagues and Guests' section doesn't mention anything about this though, simply stating that after a lengthy stay in L.A. while recording 'Melrose' Edgar noticed that Paul wished to leave Europe. So perhaps there's no truth to the draft story after all. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:21 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Paul and military > > > >8. Paul says, 'I have to leave, or they'll draft me in the > military'. > >Edgar doesn't want to move to L.A., so they part ways. > > The austrian Bundesheer doesn't draft Austrians living abroad, and > this doesn't mean any problems for the non-draftees, like not > being able to enter Austria. An adress in Berlin (or across the > Danube from Vienna, in Bratislava) would have fixed THAT problem. > > klaus > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 3:29 pm Subject: Re: Is the i-Box worth having? On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 05:30:37 -0700 (PDT), chris towers wrote: >Well i have the I- Box and all my tracklistings are >the same as whats on the Cds, maybe you got a one off >defunct copy maybe????? :-) > >Anyone else got different music to whats written down? Hi, Chris! Ahhh, the I-Box... ...The Rainbow Collection... ...yes, very nice collection. My track listings are exactly the same as what is on the CDs. ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Human beings are seventy percent water, and with some the rest is collagen. --Martin Mull From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 3:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Why shouldn't they play Buffalo? Maybe the reason they are not playing Canada is because its a USA tour ????? Simple enough Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 3:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is it Live Or Is It Memorex? Yeah Maff , i gree, the shows are not as visual as they used to be, however the Mars Polaris show was particularly outstanding. I agree though, i came away from the Shepherds Bush Empire in May a very happy man!!!!!!! Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 3:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Why shouldn't they play Buffalo? Remember that TDI is probably at the mercy of the tour promoter! They may not have a lot of say in where they play. If the promoter only has US connections, they may be unable or unwilling to schedule concerts in Canada. It's also possible that a Canadian part is being handled by someone else who hasn't made any hard-and-fast promises to TDI yet, so they don't want to announce it yet. (wishful thinking for you Northerners!) James > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@t...] > > Frank Stephen wrote: > > > For days now, I have had to listen to the bemoaning that TD > is not playing > > in Canada. IF they are skipping an entire country, could > there be a reason > > why? Work visas? Taxes? > > That was my assumption, and I said so. But they must be > pretty big disincentives. The people who are chastising me for > suggesting that a two hour drive down the highway is too much > to ask are missing the content of my arguments. This isn't about > my own selfish needs...I'm looking at this from a business > standpoint. The point of touring is to promote your band, and play > for as many of your fans as possible. And that's *why* they > played Toronto in 77, 86, 88 and 92. Skipping the city now > doesn't make sense because a) the Toronto - and by extention, > the Canadian - media are not going to cover TDs show in Buffalo. > b) The Toronto metro area represents a market of over five > million potential fans, who have supported the band in the past c) A > small club show in Buffalo is not going to be advertised in > Toronto, so most TD fans here won't even know they're playing > nearby. These same points apply in the case of Montreal vs Rochester. > > I'm not saying that TD *shouldn't* play in smaller markets > like Buffalo, it's just that passing by the larger ones strikes me > as being a questionable move. > > Of course, it could just be that TDI doesn't give a crap > about our puny Canadian market. Because they certainly haven't made > much effort to get their releases in our stores...and when > they do show up, there's only one copy, and they cost twice as much > as regular new releases. From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 3:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Hi again Paul, no not ranting here mate :-) not at all, but trust me, get yourself the TDI i Box, and youll be pleasantly suprised, there are quite a lot of differences in the tracks from the Studio recordings, be it live or dubbed, i think youll like it. Its well worth a listen..... Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 3:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Hi again Heiko, yeah i also am a big fan of Tds live output. I just think sometimes comparing all different tracks and outputs, flaws, live recordings, tapes etc can go too far, and the actual enjoyement of hearing the music is being lost by a lot of people... Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 3:45 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] A future that never happened Actually reading up on the whole time frame on the 'Guests and Colleagues' section at the TD website points out the fact that Linda Spa was officially a memeber of the band after the 1990 Werner-Seelenbinder concert. Edgar may have been thinking of Jerome, Paul, and Linda as the 'NEW' TD. As for Paul being creatively stifled, he was a funk/jazz pianist in Vienna before he joined TD, so TD should have been a new creative direction for him. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@t...] > > 'Owens, James' wrote: > > > 7. Edgar asks Jerome to join, thinking of staying on a bit, > then leaving > > Jerome and Paul with the family business. > > Here's another scenario: might Paul have felt somewhat > uncomfortable living in what had become a Froese family compact, with > Edgar, Monica, Jerome and Anja? Creatively stifled, > psychologically left out? Just speculating.... From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 3:46 pm Subject: Re: Is the i-Box worth having? --- In tadream@y..., chris towers wrote: > Well i have the I- Box and all my tracklistings are > the same as whats on the Cds, maybe you got a one off > defunct copy maybe????? :-) > > Anyone else got different music to whats written down? > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Well, on mine the last disk sez The Perth Tapes, but my disk has an Edgar solo track from _Pinncacles_ followed by the studio version of 'Mojave Plan'. (Think that's right - it's been a while since I listened to it.) It also refers to a number of the tracks as live, but these tracks appear to be exactly identical to the studio versions. That's a reasonable chuck of mis-labelled music. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28210 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 3:49 pm Subject: Re: Paul and military --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Lawler' wrote: > I seem to remember Ed saying that Paul left partly because of health > problems as well, so he had to be near the sea . > I`m sure Paul just felt like making some real money for a change as well . > > Paul There was something about needing to move to a less polluted environment for health reasons. So he went to Los Angeles. That's a bit like moving to France to get away from cheese :-) Glynn From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 3:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? The Perth Tapes is an edgar froese solo piece, the second part is mojave plan, both played live by Chris and Edgar in Perth Australia __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 4:13 pm Subject: pittsburgh TD 10/27 onsale 8/8/01 TANGERINE DREAM Sat, 10/27/01 7:30PM M Pittsburgh, PA On Sale 8/8/01 10:00AM more info _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Feldon Feldon Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 4:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour date update on TD site What's your purpose here? To react to everything and shoot down people's honest expressions of why they would or won't like a certain CD release, concert venue, etc? Let's face it, TD hasn't put on a live concert since 1986. Unless it's a nice venue ane a close drive, it's not really worth it. Not everyone has $50-100 to spend when, depending on their feelings, could be better spent other places. I know there are fans who are attending all of TD's latest concerts and buying everything they release. That's great and noble of them. And they're encouraged to bring their own opinions to the table as well. -Morgan At 11:18 PM 8/4/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Surely its the Band you are going to see and the Music >you are going to appreciate it, not the decor of the >building or whether your sat down or not. Once the >show commences i dont think youll care if your sat or >standing, i didnt.... > >Chris > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 4:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour date update on TD site I for one will be attending as many in my area as I can. I am not one to buy everything. I do buy what I pretty much the cds I like. I do not buy those I have listen too and felt they where not to my likeing. I also buy items that I feel was important milestones to TD. Even those I don't care for. I hope no one here is shooting down others just becasue they don't buy everything or don't like those who do. I am setting aside at least $100 for each concert as the last round was in 86 for me to attend. I don't want to wait that long again to get a chance to see one of my favorite bands of all times perform. If there is another time. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28227 Re: tour date update on TD site chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 4:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? At 02:49 PM 8/7/2001 +0200, you wrote: > >> Well i have the I- Box and all my tracklistings are >> the same as whats on the Cds, maybe you got a one off >> defunct copy maybe????? :-) >> >> Anyone else got different music to whats written down? > >I don't think someone has a mispressed version or anything in that direction. Maybe he meant the fact that some pieces are not >really from live concerts because they were never performed on any of those tours. Then again there are some live tracks which >have additional studio overdubs ('Akash deep' etc.) >And I still would like to hear the Perth Festival Hall 1982 concert as it >really happened, because the first 10-15 minutes of CD6 sound totally different than what one can hear on the Sydney 22.02.82 >and Melbourne 01.03.82 performances, and from 1980 onwards TD's repertoire during a concert tour was always the same, because >much of the music had to be pre-programmed. > >Heiko I can hear significant differences, at least in the melody lines and sometimes choice of instrument sound between concert venues in 1980, 81, 82, 83, and 86. Of course it was typically the same songs from show to show, but various amount of improvised stuff, even deviating from the normal progression of a song (by letting a sequence run long, etc.). Three Tier Dream 2 (81), Albuquerque 86, Newcastle 80, Nostragram 80, Berlin ICC 1981, Athens 83 are notable examples where it's different enough to note. I can assure you that Bondy Parade, for example, was played with a different amount of gusto at different venues. Newcastle 81 is good, but Three Tier Dream 2 (I think this is Hammersmith Odeon) takes the cake for the best performance. Not just Edgar's guitar, but also Johannes melody lines while Edgar is busy riffing. Chris, none of the tracks labeled 'live' on disc 4 of i-Box are even remotely live. They're all from the studio albums with echo and noise added to make it sound live. And YES it is possible to tell the difference, as most of these songs on disc 4 WOULD have greatly benefitted from being from an actual 86-88 concert. I can think of several songs that benefitted greatly from being reworked and performed live. Dolphin Dance and Sun Gate anyone? Tracks like Cool Shibuya and Storm Seekers are clearly Edgar Froese solo. Iguana and Akash Deep bear no relation to their 88 and 86 live counterparts, respectively. And my favorite 1990 live track, 'Longing for Cashba' (aka the Werner Seelenbinder theme) has been chopped and saxed. And the 5th disc of i-Box 'Perth' is a total fraud. It's a 17 minute Edgar Froese solo with bits from Kamikaze '89 and then the rest is the studio versions of Convention of the 24 and Mojave Plan with awkward transitions added by Edgar. Not one nanosecond of this bears any relation to the improvised versions of these tracks as they were played in 82. -Morgan From: Feldon Feldon Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 4:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is it Live Or Is It Memorex? At 03:49 PM 8/7/2001 +0100, you wrote: >From: 'winnie the pooh' > >> appreciate the help, thanks. > >If you're expecting pyrotechnics, lightshows and a great visual feast, prepare >to be disapointed. I don't think TD have ever been interested in producing a >great spectacle on stage (didn't they play some gigs with their backs to the >audience once?). TD used to have incredible lights with Laserium and even the 1986 and 1988 tour lights were pretty awesome. Based on the Sheperd's Bush video, the lights are ones you'd find in a high school or community college dance hall. As for the music, I'm sure the DAT machine and/or computers playing MIDI files of the concert are on an UPS (uninterrupted power supply), otherwise 80% of the music would disappear. -Morgan From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 4:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is it Live Or Is It Memorex? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > As for the music, I'm sure the DAT machine and/or computers playing MIDI > files of the concert are on an UPS (uninterrupted power supply), otherwise > 80% of the music would disappear. > > -Morgan Cute. I am sure they will in California! From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:03 pm Subject: TD WEB Sites Adobe has just released a new product in beta now for download. I think it would be pretty creative to use for a TD site. http://www.adobe.com/products/atmosphere/main.html I would also hope that maybe some music could be added as well to enhance the mood. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. From: Rolf Elfström Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:06 pm Subject: 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... Morgan: >Chris, none of the tracks labeled 'live' on disc 4 of i-Box are even >remotely live. They're all from the studio albums with echo and noise added >to make it sound live. This discussion about studio tracks being labeled as live has been going on for ages on this list but I don't think I've ever seen 'my' theory about this mis-labeling being presented (but I know some of you share it; Hej Johan!) so I'll drop it in the cauldron to see if you rip it to pieces or what. 'The artist' records the songs and the record company he's signed to at that particular moment owns the rights to the recordings. 'The artist' wants to make a compilation but can't get (or can't afford) the right to include the songs. He (however) still has the right to 'perform' his own compositions....so: He breaks out the old tapes, fiddle with the knobs over the tracks and smacks a 'Live' after the title, and hey presto; He can include it in the compilation... About the 'tangetization' I must say I'm quite comfortable with it if it's a track you're still able to find in it's 'virgin' (pun intended) state. Hey you get an additional version, sometimes it's crap (Song of the whale) but sometimes it great (Cinnamon Road)... What I don't understand is people claiming E & J is putting out mediocre material 'when they could do better'... What do you base this claim on? Why would an artist think; 'Hey, I could do this better, but I'll release it anyway'??? OK, back to lurk-mode... go easy on me. Rolf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28219 Re: 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB 28226 Re: 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28229 Re: 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... Feldon Feldon Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB 28234 Re: 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB 28237 Re: 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28245 Re: 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... Paul Lawler Tue 8/7/2001 4 KB 28247 Re: 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB 28252 Re: 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28249 Re: 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Rolf Elfström' To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... > > What I don't understand is people claiming E & J is putting out mediocre > material 'when they could do better'... What do you base this claim on? > Why would an artist think; 'Hey, I could do this better, but I'll release > it anyway'??? > > OK, back to lurk-mode... go easy on me. > > Rolf Agree. Take the works as a whole and base your thoughts on that. It is nice to take something apart. But overall, they are performing to the level they are at at the time they perform. From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? From: 'chris towers' > The Perth Tapes is an edgar froese solo piece, the > second part is mojave plan, both played live by Chris > and Edgar in Perth Australia Fraid not Chris. Have you actually heard Mojave Plan played live? It's distinctly different from the album release. The version on IBox is note-for-note identical to the studio version. Maff _______________________________________________________ www.mst3uk.com www.tachyon.ic24.net www.eclipsecafe.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28222 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28224 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Feldon Feldon Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB 28225 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Steve Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Los Angles was (Re: Paul and military) My wife has MASSIVE allergies to ALL forms of pollens. Here in the Southeast, where there's lots of water, there's also lots of humidity in the air that holds the pollen there (not to mention more greenery causing those pollens). In Southern California around Los Angeles, the climate is very arid, despite the fact that you are so close to the ocean (it's still technically the desert after all). It's one of the few places we've ever been that my wife could ride around with the car windows down and not be sick for 3 days afterwards. If Paul's health issues are related to allergies, then L.A. is the place of choice, smog or no smog (which, according to L.A. natives, has dropped DRASTICALLY since the late 70's). Paul probably got out there, realized 'Hey, I can breathe!' and decided to stay. > -----Original Message----- > There was something about needing to move to a less polluted > environment for health reasons. So he went to Los Angeles. That's a > bit like moving to France to get away from cheese :-) > > Glynn From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Yeah i have heard it live mate, i have the video when they played it live with the orchestra, froese, franke schmoelling if your interested??? also on the video i have the live performance of White Eagle, Kiew Mission and the live concert of the Poland Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28224 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Feldon Feldon Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Newcastle Nov 2 1980 Concert At 02:21 AM 8/7/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Newcastle City Hall > November 2, 1980 Just as an update, the always-helpful Duncan has set me straight on this. This show was largely identical to the other shows of the same time. Of course all melody lines are performed live so that and the guitar varies, but the setlist was largely the same. Which means now we're trying to work out why Nostragram set 2 ends so differently. -Morgan From: Feldon Feldon Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? The Orchestra version of Mojave Plan and Convention of the 24 was very close to the album version. It had to be so the London Orchestra could follow the music and play accordingly. This particular showing was uncharacteristic compared to the other 1981 shows. -Morgan At 10:37 AM 8/7/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Yeah i have heard it live mate, i have the video when >they played it live with the orchestra, froese, franke >schmoelling if your interested??? also on the video i >have the live performance of White Eagle, Kiew Mission >and the live concert of the Poland > >Chris > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: 'Steve' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Maff said: > Fraid not Chris. Have you actually heard Mojave Plan played live? It's > distinctly different from the album release. The version on IBox is > note-for-note identical to the studio version. I've found that the Perth 'concert' can be quite enjoyable if you approach it as an extended remix or a megamix rather than as the concert it quite plainly is not. While Sohoman and Soundmill, containing as they do some actual live material, share a common feel, that feel is completely absent from Perth. Steve www.craftman.co.uk www.rotties-r-us.co.uk www.stevecraftman.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/b5/ From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... I totally agree with you rolf, i mean everybody doesnt like everything an artist performs, whoever they are. I think TD were particularly at thier strongest from 80 - 86, however, time moves on, so do peoples ideas, and so does technology, i think TD are at present performing well, the past line ups are history, i mean there is all this talkabout Paul Haslinger, illnesses, military etc, the guy is a great musician, and thats all that matters, and he also left the band nearly 10 years ago now, so why all the talk about it, so he has an illness, so what, so he escaped time in the military, big deal.... see what im mean, but now its Froese and Froese, and i think they are doing just fine, and they are producing music i enjoy, no point in scrutinising, they have still released it, like it or not!!!! Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28229 Re: 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... Feldon Feldon Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour date update on TD site My thoughts exactly, you buy what you like....... Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour date update on TD site Hi Morgan No im not here to shoot anybody down at all, im just saying that i have never seen the venue as an important aspect of the show, as i say its the show you are going to see, not the buiding??? agree? or no?? Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28232 Re: tour date update on TD site Feldon Feldon Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... What would you propose we discuss on this list if we don't talk about the past? It would be a very boring list if there was a surge of excitement around the times of a concert or release and silence in between. This list would have been dead for most of 1998and 2000. -Morgan At 10:43 AM 8/7/2001 -0700, you wrote: >I totally agree with you rolf, i mean everybody doesnt >like everything an artist performs, whoever they are. >I think TD were particularly at thier strongest from >80 - 86, however, time moves on, so do peoples ideas, >and so does technology, i think TD are at present >performing well, the past line ups are history, i mean >there is all this talkabout Paul Haslinger, illnesses, >military etc, the guy is a great musician, and thats >all that matters, and he also left the band nearly 10 >years ago now, so why all the talk about it, so he has >an illness, so what, so he escaped time in the >military, big deal.... see what im mean, but now its >Froese and Froese, and i think they are doing just >fine, and they are producing music i enjoy, no point >in scrutinising, they have still released it, like it >or not!!!! > >Chris > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Hi again Morgan, well im not sure of your collection, but if you dont have the video i meantioned ill happily do you a copy, the quality isnt great but your welcome to have it if you like ... its worth a watch Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28233 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Feldon Feldon Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? All I will say on the subject is that i-Box passed the travelling hours away nicely on a recent flight from England to the States. You pays your money, you takes your choice. Great in-flight music to pass those otherwise boring hours. Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Feldon Feldon Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour date update on TD site At 10:49 AM 8/7/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Morgan > >No im not here to shoot anybody down at all, im just >saying that i have never seen the venue as an >important aspect of the show, as i say its the show >you are going to see, not the buiding??? agree? or >no?? Drive 3 hours, stand for 3 hours at a small, particularly crowded venue, listen to a DAT/MIDI file with Bongos and wailing guitar, drive home 3 hours. I think that's worth discussing and dissecting here on the list. You may not feel the same. -Morgan From: Feldon Feldon Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? I've seen it. Nice video. -Morgan At 10:52 AM 8/7/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi again Morgan, well im not sure of your collection, >but if you dont have the video i meantioned ill >happily do you a copy, the quality isnt great but your >welcome to have it if you like ... its worth a watch > >Chris > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 6:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... hehehe... Just us Lurkers here, don't think the list is ever dead. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... > What would you propose we discuss on this list if we don't talk about the > past? > It would be a very boring list if there was a surge of excitement around > the times of a concert or release and silence in between. > > This list would have been dead for most of 1998and 2000. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28237 Re: 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 4:44 pm Subject: Is it live or is it memorex I'm convinced that it's mostly memorex... will be interesting to see it firsthand. I've been to two TD shows, and memorex or not, they were still very enjoyable, and it doesn't bother me that part of it is recorded. I think a lot of bands are doing this more and more. But for TD music, from a practical viewpoint... at the moment I don't think there's any other real way to replicate the studio stuff live. I mean, how do you replicate an arppegio at light speed and have it sound the same? Everytime you hit a chord on the keyboard, not only do you have to hit the right notes, but you have to hit them in the right order - and for a lot of the stuff that you hear on the albums, it would be humanly impossible to hit that many notes at the same time. So, I think certain sequences are not easily replicated live. Whether you're hearing it via Cubase or from the synthesizer's onboard sequencer... I think it's memorex - especially since many of the elements line up EXACTLY when you compare studio to live versions. Probably the 'spacey' stuff in between 'songs' is improvised. <<>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28246 Re: Is it live or is it memorex Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 8/7/2001 4 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 4:36 pm Subject: Edgar and Chris and handling business What was discussed regarding Chris having a lot of music input or Edgar having mostly business input may or may not be accurate, but one thing one could say is that Chris seems not to be so bad at the business aspects either. Sonic Images seems to be doing fairly well in terms of what they have to offer. Wes From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... I have a suggestion that we talk about the music, the shows, the love for Tangerine Dream that i hope we all have... just for starters. Maybe divert away from Edgars favourite body spray or Jeromes Shoe size????? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 4:34 pm Subject: Paul and Edgar Well, I'm sure that anything that we could possibly say on this list is speculation at best, but... I do note that Chris appears on the credits of some of Paul's work... noteably for the soundtrack to Planetary Traveller and I believe also for Infinity's Child. So, we can say that Paul and Chris are probably in touch stateside. ..and if he was interested in doing soundtracks, one could see where a move to L.A. wouldn't be so far-fetched, especially if a friend was already there. I do remember reading something about the Edgar/Jerome relationship, and how it was difficult to be the third wheel. I might have read this on Paul's site. I imagine that on the one hand the working relationship between E and J is highly professional, but on the other hand, it must be difficult to get beyond the closeness of a father/son relationship - especially for a third person. In the end, the thing that matters to us is the music, and I do think that there is a lot of really good music that has come from the current TD lineup. <<>> From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 6:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Yeah i think its pretty good, quite old so i never got to see it in good quality but it gives me the general picture of it all...... Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 6:31 pm Subject: adobe/dcma/td websites I'm sure Dmitry Sklyarov would be less than happy about promoting adobe at the moment. http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Sklyarov/us_v_sklyarov_faq.html --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28248 Re: adobe/dcma/td websites Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 6:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Steve wrote: > I've found that the Perth 'concert' can be quite enjoyable if you approach > it as an extended remix or a megamix rather than as the concert it quite > plainly is not. Not to knock your reasoning, Steve...but that kind of argument just serves as a means to rationalize TDI's misleading labelling of the disk. If they want to make 'megamixes', they should just label them as such. But if they want to call something 'the Perth Concert', it should damn well represent what they played in Perth. If there are legal issues involved, TD should come clean about them, rather than try to sucker fans into buying a set through deception. I mean, Edgar and Jerome have their own damned record label now...you'd think that they would treat their fans with honesty and respect, instead of stooping to the exploitive tactics of big record labels. But that's exactly what they do. And as long as all the diehards are prepared to grit their teeth into forced smiles and buy every new booster package, TDI has no incentive to change their ways. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28244 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Steve Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB From: Julannparc@a... Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Well i Just listened to Mojave plan from the melbourne concert of 1,3,82, and i cannot here anything thats different from the actual studio album.It seems to be the same with most of the aus tour of 82 apart from a few ear bashing intros,especially the elongated Choronzon.Just a thought. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 4:52 pm Subject: 'live' albums From a creative perspective and being a perfectionist, I don't blame anyone for wanting to make things 'perfect,' but as a consumer, I too am bothered by 'false advertising' if you will. The fact that live tracks may be augmented like on LiveMiles doesn't bother me, but I think we should be told what we're buying. On Peter Gabriel Plays Live, for example, there is a note that says the tracks were modified in the studio. So, even Peter G. himself does it. If it really is important to the music to make it sound better, why not? Thing is, it's nice to know what you're hearing, especially if you think you're buying a totally 'live' album. For my part, if I were releasing an album, I would have a note on the back cover (or maybe inside?) that would say that stuff was altered, so that people would know if it wasn't totally live. Not sure about how to handle the 'live' peformance with memorex thing.. 'cos there truly are certain things that can't be done totally live unless you had access to some of the old gear (which costs an arm and a leg these days if you could even find it). I think it would be one of those things that as a 'fan' people would just know that certain things were memorex and that as much as possible was live. I think I would do a concert where it would be TOTALLY improvised, but let the people know that that's what's happening and that there is the possibility that we might totally suck!!! :-) <<>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28253 Re: 'live' albums Feldon Feldon Tue 8/7/2001 3 KB 28259 Re: 'live' albums Tony Walsh Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Steve' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 6:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Sean said: > Not to knock your reasoning, Steve...but that kind of argument > just serves as a means to rationalize TDI's misleading labelling > of the disk. You're not knocking my reasoning - just being a little more forthright about the issues than I was :) The Perth disc isn't live and shouldn't be labelled as such. I'd have no problem with it if it was stated explicitly that it is simply a remix. I wonder what the Trading Standards Office would say about it? In the eighties I complained to the Westminster Trading Standards officer about one of the big record shops on Oxford Street: they were selling British produced copies of Depeche Mode's 'World in your Eyes' that had been exported to mainland Europe and then re-imported as 'imports' and priced accordingly. Similarly, I regret not having complained officially about the Marc Bolan album 'Acoustic Warrior' which purports to be recently discovered unplugged performances, but is actually a mixture of live and demo tracks with posthumous overdubs... Does that remind anyone of anything? Steve www.craftman.co.uk www.rotties-r-us.co.uk www.stevecraftman.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/b5/ From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 7:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... From: Rolf Elfström To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:06 PM Subject: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... > > 'The artist' records the songs and the record company he's signed to at > that particular moment owns the rights to the recordings. > > 'The artist' wants to make a compilation but can't get (or can't afford) > the right to include the songs. > > He (however) still has the right to 'perform' his own compositions....so: > > He breaks out the old tapes, fiddle with the knobs over the tracks and > smacks a 'Live' after the title, and hey presto; He can include it in the > compilation... I think you could have a point here as to why they tangetize their unreleased stuff, but I think as far as the copyright issue goes then they do have the right to perform the works even if they dont hold the rights , but I wouldnt have thought that the record labels wouldn`t then let them re-release the tracks as live versions, unless they have a clause that lets them release the tracks as re-mixes (hence Tangetize) Do the so-called live tracks have any Tangetization on them ? If all they have done is added a bit of echoe and ambience then I`m afraid Ed really does see us all as stupid !!! > > > What I don't understand is people claiming E & J is putting out mediocre > material 'when they could do better'... What do you base this claim on? > Why would an artist think; 'Hey, I could do this better, but I'll release > it anyway'??? Because sometimes artists cant be bothered anymore . I`ve been guilty of this in the past when I`ve been working on a programme that I really dont like . I`ve rushed parts of the score and thought F**k it I`ve had enough, but then bitterly regretted it once its been broadcast . When (I mean if) I get to the stage when I dont regret putting out sub standard work then I should retire .I think Ed could well be at this stage, he must be because we see this a lot recently . Distortion on the albums, Tsk Tsk noises on another, hissing noise on a fair few, tracks and production which to me sound rushed ( I recognise the signs being guilty of it myself) These aren`t the releases of people who are passionate perfectionists anymore. They have done better as well . Rockoon and Turn of the Tides were really well produced, but then they had to be as they were on decent record labels . God I`m off again !!!! Paul From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is it live or is it memorex Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 9:44 AM Subject: [tadream] Is it live or is it memorex I mean, how do you replicate an arppegio at light speed and have it sound the same? Everytime you hit a chord on the keyboard, not only do you have to hit the right notes, but you have to hit them in the right order - and for a lot of the stuff that you hear on the albums, it would be humanly impossible to hit that many notes at the same time. So, I think certain sequences are not easily replicated live. > > Whether you're hearing it via Cubase or from the synthesizer's onboard sequencer... I think it's memorex - especially since many of the elements line up EXACTLY when you compare studio to live versions. > > Probably the 'spacey' stuff in between 'songs' is improvised. Most synths can do 64 voices at once (that is 64 different sounds at once). Who is to say they don't have short macro (actual runs) already set up to press one key and off it runs? I set up several of the nanosynths I have and task them out various times during a live show to do exactly that. Even the fact that it was programmed at a earlier date, does that make it not live at the time it is played? I could go as far as to say even when a dat is played back during a live show that would make it just as live with the dat taking the place of a music instrument at this time. I believe it is how you view live that determines your view now. Not only do we use live musicians we also use drums machines, bass synths, and other synths to either play in their absence or with them as they play. I do not believe it is not humanly possible in this aspect to create the same sounds on the recordings. I have made a few midi of TD's work myself. Almost to the point of having it sound almost exactly as the recording on the cd. Very painful process and much time. You will need a real Mellotron to use to make up the missing parts if you are not a skilled programmer. Someday maybe someone will make a Mellotron that is midi friendly. From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 7:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... Does anyone here know the answers to these questions Chris asks? (grin) Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'chris towers' To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... > I have a suggestion that we talk about the music, the > shows, the love for Tangerine Dream that i hope we all > have... just for starters. > > Maybe divert away from Edgars favourite body spray or > Jeromes Shoe size????? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28252 Re: 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... chris towers Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 7:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] adobe/dcma/td websites yea this is true (grin) Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: ; Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:31 AM Subject: [tadream] adobe/dcma/td websites > I'm sure Dmitry Sklyarov would be less than happy about promoting adobe at > the moment. > > http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Sklyarov/us_v_sklyarov_faq.html > > --tei From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 7:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... In a message dated 07/08/01 20:11:53 GMT Daylight Time, admin@k... writes: > Does anyone here know the answers to these questions Chris asks? (grin) > Lynx and size 10 I think Derek (NOT being serious) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 7:21 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDREAM Live L.O.L ! The perfect summary! -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Sawyer [mailto:matthewsawyer@c...] Sent: 07 August 2001 15:50 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Is it Live Or Is It Memorex? At the Shepherds Bush concert in May Iris was certainly giving it her all but Jerome just stood behind the keyboard impassively and Edgar was virtually unconcious. From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 7:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Why shouldn't they play Buffalo? Yes, to a degree, as TDI is not even selecting dates/venues/cities for the tour- it is being managed by an outside firm from London called ICM. From the perspective of the band, why should they care where they play? Unless they have a particular affinity for a venue or city, they will let the promoter select them all. They've played in Cleveland in a different venue every time, and this one coming up is the worst yet. With TD's volume and penchant for acoustics, I can't imagine them knowing a place this bad had been chosen. I won't discourage you from going at all (!), but I can tell you ahead of time, it will detract from the enjoyment of the concert, because I know how it has messed with other bands' sounds. -----Original Message----- Remember that TDI is probably at the mercy of the tour promoter! They may not have a lot of say in where they play. If the promoter only has US connections, they may be unable or unwilling to schedule concerts in Canada. It's also possible that a Canadian part is From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 7:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... :-) yeah i like that one, that was very good :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: Feldon Feldon Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 8:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'live' albums Ok, I'm listening to 'Perth' right now. Convention of the 24 fades out and then Mojave Plan awkwardly starts a few notes in. Edgar has added some Tangentization on top, some droning and breathy sounds, fat bass and strings. The most obvious indication that this is the STUDIO version of Mojave Plan is that the electrical buzz sound repeats several times. This was only played ONCE per concert in all of the 81 and 82 shows. PERIOD. The transitions on the live version are much too quick. It jumps up and down after 4 or 8 beats. The live version always took a LOT longer to establish itself, taking easily 12, 16, or 20 beats to change. Need I mention the studio version and 'Perth' versions of Mojave Plan are 20 minutes long and the live version was always 25 minutes or longer? (and then there was a 10 minute version used as an encore in 1983). And while we're at it, I fired up my Fassbinder recording which gracious included the Mojave Plan orchestral version. As I described above, the electronic buzz sound is only played once as it was always played live. However the transitions take place as quickly as the studio version. So whether or not TD was miming to a tape we'll never know. But I'll say it's not the vanilla studio version either. -Morgan From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 8:13 pm Subject: zoned froeses//memorex.... >Jerome just stood behind the keyboard impassively and Edgar was virtually unconcious.< perhaps a life of tea drinking and vegetarianism just zaps the energy outta ya :) this whole discussion of live vs. not live reminds me of a certain former US president and the definition of what 'is' is. Then again--were the samples that make up the sounds of a mellotron live or prerecorded snippets from the factory? Guess, TD have been using pre-recorded sounds since at least their first mellotron. --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28255 Re: zoned froeses//memorex.... Feldon Feldon Tue 8/7/2001 2 KB 28264 Re: zoned froeses//memorex.... Marcel Engels Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB 28269 Re: zoned froeses//memorex.... Matthew Stringer Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB 28276 Re: zoned froeses//memorex.... ampmusic Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 8:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] zoned froeses//memorex.... At 01:13 PM 8/7/2001 -0700, you wrote: >>Jerome just stood behind the keyboard impassively and Edgar was >virtually unconcious.< > > >Then again--were the samples that make up the sounds of a mellotron live or >prerecorded snippets from the factory? Guess, TD have been using >pre-recorded sounds since at least their first mellotron. > >--teiwaz You know, there was a time when TD created their own sounds. I know it seems like a billion years ago, but even in the late 70's they were recording their own sounds. They did voice recordings, etc. -Morgan From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 8:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: buffalo girls On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:10:49 -0700, Greg wrote: >Hi Utch, > >The radio stations don't get any better here and I live in Lake Havasu City, >AZ.. right in the Mohave Desert. I usually just turn the dial to AM and Hi, Greg! About a year ago I was driving around Lake Havasu City (playing Thief on the car stereo - wondering if anyone else in the area had ever heard of TD)... ...I stopped in at the local Hastings, but they didn't have ANY TD, new or used. I did pick up an interesting Brent Lewis - The Primitive Truth CD at that little Nature's Wonders shop by the London Bridge. Pretty area down in there at night! Too hot for civilized man in the daytime... ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- It's all right letting yourself go as long as you can let yourself back. --Mick Jagger From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 10:42 pm Subject: milwaukee, wi 11/3 onsale date 9/10 TANGERINE DREAM Sat, 11/3/01 8:00PM Riverside Theatre Milwaukee, WI On Sale 9/10/01 10:00AM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 11:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour date update on TD site ----- Original Message ----- From: chris towers To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] tour date update on TD site > i have never seen the venue as an > important aspect of the show The Red Rocks venue in the States certainly seems to have been a major part of the live experience of U2 in the mid 80s doesn't it? So maybe, there are times when it is. I've seen TD live in Manchester at the Apollo (at least 3 times), and in London at the Dominion, the Hammersmith Odeon (as was) and at Shepherds Bush (twice). The experience in each is different (so far, only the seats at the Dominion have vibrated with the bass!). Tony. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28263 Re: tour date update on TD site Feldon Feldon Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB 28265 Re: tour date update on TD site chris towers Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 11:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'live' albums This was done at the 'Logos' Dominion gig as well (well the 2nd one anyway). Tony. ----- Original Message ----- > (and then there was a 10 minute version used as an encore in 1983). From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 12:51 am Subject: Bach and Mozart 'Live' If they were alive today, how likely is it they would employ the same technological means of expression currently used by TD? Talk amongst yourselves... ;^) Regards, Michael A. Jean Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28261 Re: Bach and Mozart 'Live' odean@m... Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB From: odean@m... Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 3:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bach and Mozart 'Live' At 07:51 PM 8/7/01 -0500, you wrote: >If they were alive today, how likely is it they would employ the same >technological means of expression currently used by TD? Talk amongst >yourselves... ;^) > >Regards, > >Michael A. Jean I have often thought 'what if?' the two classical composers were brought into our present day and learned how to record their music in a studio. As it is, they composed many pieces in their head, but what they could achieve in a studio by overdubbing each track would be staggering. It would be kinda cool to see a movie made on this premise. Bach and Wolfie's Excellent Adventure! 'O' From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 2:02 am Subject: Q: TD in LA? I see from the TDI web site that TD is scheduled to perform in three Los Angeles area venues: House of Blues Hollywood and Anaheim, and Ventura. Checking the Ticket Master website and my local Where House dude, only the Ventura venue is listed at this time. Sooo, either this means: A. The tickets for the two different House of Blues shows have not yet gone on sale. B. The tickets went on sale and sold out (bummer!) C. Other (there is ALWAYS an 'other'). Any ideas? The 'House of Blues' venue(s) would be my preference. In any event, I reallllllly gotta see TD this time 'round. Just can't miss 'em! Too big a fan. Regardless of the venue, I'll be driving a couple hundred miles RT, as I live out in the desert. Worth every bit. Alas, a side-bar on my quest is finding someone to go with. My wife and daughter say 'No way, Jose!' Might have to buy just one ticket, as I had to for the YES concert. Oh well, , the ladies in my life just don't appreciate good music. ;) James Horecka, AIA, Architect From: Feldon Feldon Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 2:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] tour date update on TD site Before the chance gets away from me, I want to say I AM certainly glad TD is touring. It gives people a chance to see Edgar + Son perform and it's certainly entertaining for anyone who hasn't seen TD live. And for people who are new to TD, maybe they'll buy CDs from all their eras and learn to like some/all of them :) -Morgan From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 5:14 am Subject: RE: [tadream] zoned froeses//memorex.... > At 01:13 PM 8/7/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >>Jerome just stood behind the keyboard impassively and Edgar was > >virtually unconcious.< > > > > > >Then again--were the samples that make up the sounds of a > mellotron live or > >prerecorded snippets from the factory? Guess, TD have been using > >pre-recorded sounds since at least their first mellotron. > > > >--teiwaz Whether the mellotron used samples of real instruments or not is a totally different story then just standing behind keyboards impassively. Ed actually played the thing and yes made mistakes but thats live...you can't do everything perfect live and I like it for that. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: chris towers Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 6:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] tour date update on TD site Hi Tony, yeah you have seen them a few times like me, i also have seen them in manchester apollo and the shepherds bush empire. I have seen them a few times all over Europe, both standing, sitting, hot, cold, big and small venues, and it didnt affect my opinion of the shows and the live output, i enjoyed them all. Once the Shows commenced i forgot where i was anyway ....... Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 7:00 am Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... So you are saying that you think Edgar should retire? Or did I misinterpret this? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Lawler When (I mean if) I get to the stage when I dont regret putting out sub standard work then I should retire .I think Ed could well be at this stage, he must be because we see this a lot recently . Distortion on the albums, Tsk Tsk noises on another, hissing noise on a fair few, tracks and production which to me sound rushed ( I recognise the signs being guilty of it myself) These aren`t the releases of people who are passionate perfectionists anymore. They have done better as well . Rockoon and Turn of the Tides were really well produced, but then they had to be as they were on decent record labels From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 6:53 am Subject: live arpeggios and mellotron The M-tron from GForce is very midi and Cubase friendly - and very pocketbook friendly too. Maybe not the real thing, but close enough, I think. <<< > You will need a real Mellotron > to use to make up the missing parts if you are not a skilled programmer. > Someday maybe someone will make a Mellotron that is midi friendly>>> Well, some do have short macros of actual runs... Yamaha CS6X and the new Rolands to name two. And then there's the Wavestation that lets you program sequences as part of the sound; then there's also the Korg Karma, which takes the whole concept to an entirely new level. <<>> I guess I was thinking more along the lines of traditional arpeggiators (without the macros), but you're right about the macros. Regarding 64 or more voices per synth, I think that's relative depending on your patch and how many layers of voices it consists of. Using the Wavestation as an example... the WS has 32 voices, but if you program a complex sound that is 4 voices deep, you're down to only 8 voices of polyphony. Step recording in a sequencer is a fun and quick way to do some TD-like sequences; Not sure what you mean by nanosynth? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28284 Re: live arpeggios and mellotron Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 8/8/2001 3 KB 28299 Re: live arpeggios and mellotron Synthhtnys@a... Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 7:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... howdy... > What I don't understand is people claiming E & J is putting out mediocre > material 'when they could do better'... What do you base this claim on? > Why would an artist think; 'Hey, I could do this better, but I'll release > it anyway'??? actually, one artist said once: 'a piece of art is never finished; it's just left off in a good spot...' i think this is true of all art... sometimes an artist will work on something and think it's great, but never really finish it to their satisfaction, then many time-units later will go back to it and think... 'sheesh..' i find myself thinking 'i could do this better...' pretty regularly... not right when the song is done, but later, after time has passed... it is the burden, i believe, of the artist... i have read countless liner notes, blurbs, articles and interviews from musicians (as well as talking to many) who say just that: 'i could have done it better... i wish i had done this...' but they all agree that at some point you have to just let it go the way it is... i can't imagine that E and Co. have never suffered this frustration... so... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: Matthew Stringer Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 8:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] zoned froeses//memorex.... > Then again--were the samples that make up the sounds of a mellotron live or > prerecorded snippets from the factory? Guess, TD have been using > pre-recorded sounds since at least their first mellotron. Eh? I mellotron is just a fancy tape player with a keyboard stuck on the front of it! It's not really difficult to reproduce and doesn't make an awful lot of difference whether you are playing a real Mellotron or a synth playing digital samples. I know that purists would prefer a real one but they are a lot less practical. TD have always used prerecorded sounds, one of the resons they have been so creative, it's just that they don't seem to make as much effort with them any more (can't imagine Ed doing something like Whan anymore). I really enjoyed SB but I can't pretend that TD didn't look really out of shape and all the music had been created in the studio and we were listening to a recording of that. Matt From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 8:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Shoults To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:00 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... > So you are saying that you think Edgar should retire? Or did I misinterpret > this? To be honest with you maybe yes he should . Jeromes tracks have a freshness that shows he still has a passion for his work. I dont see this in Eds tracks, and he is also responsible for the production failings (as he always produces the albums) He`s actually a very good producer as well, I mean albums like 'Optical Race' have fantastic clarity and balance. Cant think of a reason other than lack of enthusiasm for the quality change . Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Lawler > > When (I mean if) I get to the stage when I dont regret putting out sub > standard work then I should retire .I think Ed could well be at this > stage, > he must be because we see this a lot recently . Distortion on the > albums, > Tsk Tsk noises on another, hissing noise on a fair few, tracks and > production which to me sound rushed ( I recognise the signs being guilty > of > it myself) > These aren`t the releases of people who are passionate perfectionists > anymore. > They have done better as well . Rockoon and Turn of the Tides were > really > well produced, but then they had to be as they were on decent record > labels > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28274 Re: 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... Michael A Jean Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 8:59 am Subject: Was Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? I wish TDI would bring out some old concert videos or TV stuff, they must have taped some of them, it would be great to see! All I have ever seen are short 5 second clips of the old stuff. Matt From: Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 11:08 am Subject: old stuff > Quoten Matthew Stringer : > > I wish TDI would bring out some old concert videos or TV stuff, they must > have taped some of them, it would be great to see! > > All I have ever seen are short 5 second clips of the old stuff. I read somewhere that they tape every concert, on tape and video. So should be tons of material. Edgar probably doesn't want to release the old videos because of the not up-to-standard video quality but I wouldn't mind that at all. And if he would release it then he probably 'Video-Tangentize' it with new computer graphics so you don't see the interesting parts. :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 9:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? Would like to comment on Disc 4 of i-box....just listened to it today...whereas songs like Marakesh and Cat Scan are so remarkably different from the studio versions (though sounds nothing like live), a couple others like Melrose and Electric Lion have some slight differences that are worth to mention: Melrose got a slightly diff. sax variation and E.Lion the synth before the guitar uproar. I believe the latter are not recent reworks, but maybe studio demos made at the time. They sound somewhat refreshing to me and I enjoy them a lot. Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28279 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB 28283 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Feldon Feldon Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 12:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... I'll probably regret saying this, but what about plain old human aging and sensory changes? > He`s actually a very good producer as well, I mean albums like 'Optical > Race' have fantastic clarity and balance. > Cant think of a reason other than lack of enthusiasm for the > quality change > . > > Paul From: ampmusic Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 12:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD's orchestra London Orchestra? Do you mean on an album? The 'Rock & Classic Night' concert video was the Munich Phil under Eberhard Schoener, surely? :-) Feldon Feldon wrote: > The Orchestra version of Mojave Plan and Convention of the 24 was very > close to the album version. It had to be so the London Orchestra could > follow the music and play accordingly. This particular showing was > uncharacteristic compared to the other 1981 shows. > > -Morgan > > At 10:37 AM 8/7/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >Yeah i have heard it live mate, i have the video when > >they played it live with the orchestra, froese, franke > >schmoelling if your interested??? also on the video i > >have the live performance of White Eagle, Kiew Mission > >and the live concert of the Poland > > > >Chris > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: ampmusic Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 12:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] zoned froeses//memorex.... > Guess, TD have been using > pre-recorded sounds since at least their first mellotron. > > --teiwaz That's why they were not impressed by the early, low-resolution performance of the Fairlight CMI and Emulator 1. They were regularly sending tapes to Birmingham to be made up as Mellotron tape sets, and as far as they were concerned, already had a 'sampler' with 8 second sampling time and frequency response up to 20kHz :-) From: ampmusic Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 12:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Are you suggesting that Edgar Froese has been dead for years and can only perform on stage as a result of having a stick up his back? :-))))) Surely nothing about recent performances would tend to support this idea? :-) Or perhaps he's on strings, being manipulated by...... (suggestions on a postcard please) :-))) > Similarly, I regret not having complained officially about the Marc Bolan > album 'Acoustic Warrior' which purports to be recently discovered unplugged > performances, but is actually a mixture of live and demo tracks with > posthumous overdubs... Does that remind anyone of anything? > > Steve > > www.craftman.co.uk > www.rotties-r-us.co.uk > www.stevecraftman.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/b5/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: moxica@m... Date: Tue Aug 7, 2001 5:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Edgar/Chris feud Amen! People just like to gossip, I guess... ----Original Message----- >From: chris towers >Why is everybody talking about the love and hate >relationships, i mean its past, its history From: chris towers Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 1:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? Thankyou Jeffrey, like me you have obviouslt really 'listened to them'.. i have so many people saying to me, 'they are all from the studio' EXACTLY the same, WRONG PEOPLE. Good to see someone who can listen closely and tell the differences Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 2:01 pm Subject: LA venues/buying one ticket >A. The tickets for the two different House of Blues shows have not yet gone on sale.< A. is the correct answer. >Might have to buy just one ticket Best idea, leaves you in charge--no distractions/no multiple agendas/no excuses for arriving late/no one feigning illness/no obnoxious chatter during your favorite tune/no one to bring you down 'cause they are bored listening to 'that music'. And most important of all--more tickets available for folks who actually want to see 'em. Oh wait--you're talking LA--land of big-haired poseurs. Forget what I said. --tei :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 2:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? From: 'chris towers' > Thankyou Jeffrey, like me you have obviouslt really > 'listened to them'.. i have so many people saying to > me, 'they are all from the studio' EXACTLY the same, > WRONG PEOPLE. Good to see someone who can listen > closely and tell the differences Uh huh. Chris, I believe Jeffrey theorized that the live tracks are studio demos. That's still studio. Not live. The reason releases like IBox generate such vitriolic responses from fans is because we are just that. Fans. If we didn't all love the group we wouldn't be here whining in the first place. You're interpreting all this criticism as direct attacks on TD from people who hate the band. If you only want to read positive glowing tributes, try the TD website guestbook ;-) Maff _______________________________________________________ www.mst3uk.com www.tachyon.ic24.net www.eclipsecafe.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28282 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers Wed 8/8/2001 3 KB 28285 List contributions glynn_naughton@h... Wed 8/8/2001 3 KB 28290 Re: List contributions chris towers Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 2:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? Hi maff, not at all, talking about it is good, and yes i am a fan and have been following TD for over 20 years. I can appreciate some of the tracks are different, but why all the whining?? is it not good that they can add some variation?? So what if its not live, so what if bits are added, whats the problem?? Just seems to be a place for critics rather than people having high thoughts of the band, ive not seen one good word said about them for weeks now.... Its all, why is this different, why is this not live, why are they playing at crap venues, even people calling TDI names etc.. whats all that about?? can you see my point??? :-) Ill keep saying too, no band in the world will make music that everybody likes, nobody goes for everything, its just taste, and if you dont like the added bits or dubbing over, then dont listen to it if it annoys you that much??? whats your view?? Chris p.s i dont go to the guestbook on TD coz thats the comlete opposite from here, 'We love you Edgar' etc no happy medium :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28285 List contributions glynn_naughton@h... Wed 8/8/2001 3 KB 28290 Re: List contributions chris towers Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 3:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? At 05:32 PM 8/8/2001 +0800, you wrote: >Would like to comment on Disc 4 of i-box....just listened to it >today...whereas songs like Marakesh and Cat Scan are so remarkably different I forgot to mention that Marakesh and Cat Scan ARE studio demo versions and so ARE different. Sorry for the mixup. -Morgan From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 4:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] live arpeggios and mellotron see below Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:53 PM Subject: [tadream] live arpeggios and mellotron > The M-tron from GForce is very midi and Cubase friendly - and very pocketbook > friendly too. Maybe not the real thing, but close enough, I think. I bought the Korg MS2000 just for the Analog sounds with the ability to midi most of the controls. Yes I seen this and you are right, it is very close. Sometimes I perfer the real thing or a better interface. > > Regarding 64 or more voices per synth, I think that's relative depending on > your patch and how many layers of voices it consists of. Using the > Wavestation as an example... the WS has 32 voices, but if you program a > complex sound that is 4 voices deep, you're down to only 8 voices of > polyphony. True, hence why I use more than one nanosynth (alesis). > Step recording in a sequencer is a fun and quick way to do some TD-like > sequences; True > Not sure what you mean by nanosynth? Alesis Nanosynth. You can find them for under $200 used or near $300 new. From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 4:27 pm Subject: List contributions --- In tadream@y..., chris towers wrote: > Hi maff, not at all, talking about it is good, and yes > i am a fan and have been following TD for over 20 > years. I can appreciate some of the tracks are > different, but why all the whining?? is it not good > that they can add some variation?? So what if its not > live, so what if bits are added, whats the problem?? > Just seems to be a place for critics rather than > people having high thoughts of the band, ive not seen > one good word said about them for weeks now.... Its > all, why is this different, why is this not live, why > are they playing at crap venues, even people calling > TDI names etc.. whats all that about?? can you see my > point??? :-) Ill keep saying too, no band in the world > will make music that everybody likes, nobody goes for > everything, its just taste, and if you dont like the > added bits or dubbing over, then dont listen to it if > it annoys you that much??? whats your view?? > > Chris You should have been here in the good old days of 1998-1999 when TDI was just starting up and putting out stuff like the Dream Dice set, the Holiday Booster and the Millenium Booster packages. Serious uproar. And great fun ;-) The thing is, if anybody doesn't like the tenor of the discussions, they can always introduce a new thread themselves. It's open to everybody, not just the 20 or so who routinely carry the load. The regular contributors are not here to provide entertainment exactly suited to the specifications of the 95 percent who are lurkers. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28290 Re: List contributions chris towers Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 4:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] List contributions see below Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:27 AM Subject: [tadream] List contributions > You should have been here in the good old days of 1998-1999 when TDI > was just starting up and putting out stuff like the Dream Dice set, > the Holiday Booster and the Millenium Booster packages. Serious > uproar. And great fun ;-) > > The thing is, if anybody doesn't like the tenor of the discussions, > they can always introduce a new thread themselves. It's open to > everybody, not just the 20 or so who routinely carry the load. The > regular contributors are not here to provide entertainment exactly > suited to the specifications of the 95 percent who are lurkers. > > Glynn guilty as charged... Just because I stay in lurk mode till something jars me out doesn't mean I don't read the threads. Most of the time if I lurk long enough, someone will put forth comments similar to what I may have had to offer. GRIN... From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers wrote: > I can appreciate some of the tracks are different, but why all the whining?? What I keep coming back to is this: Edgar and Jerome have their own record label now, so they ultimately have the final say over how their music is being released. If a CD they put out says 'Live in Perth', we have to assume that they're telling us the truth. But when it turns out that not a single note on that disc was performed live anywhere in Austraila, it just looks like they're flat out lying...trying to trick fans into plopping down money for a disc that they won't have a chance to hear before they buy it. And that's not the way to build good relations with your fan base. It's a slap in the face. I mean, many of the people that they hope to sell these albums to have bootleg recordings of these concerts. They're not going to be fooled. All they want is a soundboard quality recording of the show. It takes no time at all. And we know that they have them, because Jerome has pulled them out to play on Electrobeats. I would love to hear an official explanation as to why they can't put them out as is; whether it's a legal reason or a creative one. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28289 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB 28292 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Marcel Engels Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB From: horrod6 Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 3:45 pm Subject: Groove sale Groove Unlimited (www.groove.nl) are changing the way they do business. For the moment this means that they have loads of bargain EM CDs (and they always were good value anyway, at least by UK standards). But this is a once in a lifetime chance - they won't be stocking anything but their own label in future, so act fast! LnH Marion From: chris towers Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? Yeah Sean i can appreciate your point of view there, so, if thats the case, is there not a case we can all put forward to TDI without attacking them and ask why?, rather than discussing it between ourselves?? is there someone at TDI thats can be approached or indeed has this already been done?? Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: chris towers Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 6:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] List contributions Hi Glynn, yeah i was around in those days too mate :-) Im got the Dream Dice (although now all released seperately) apart from the small 3 track limited edition CD, and the Booster aswell, have to admit i was glad to get hold of THE KEEP. The bonus Topping Out CD was a nice suprise too. Mind you the most difficult ive ever had to get Is Rumpelstiltskin. Waited 8 years for that git!!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 6:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers wrote: > Yeah Sean i can appreciate your point of view there, > so, if thats the case, is there not a case we can all > put forward to TDI without attacking them and ask > why? I did send TDI an e-mail about a year ago, outlining my concerns, but I never received a reply. But they have agents subscribed to this list, so I'm sure they're aware of the common complaints voiced here. I am left to assume that as long as their sales figures hold steady, then they don't care. I have to give TDI credit for one thing that they've done (in response to public demand, I presume), which is to provide some sound clips of new releases. Still, they could go farther; perhaps offering low quality mp3s or real audio snippets of each song, rather than just one or two. Other artists who run their own websites do this. It would certainly help fans who want undoctored recordings to know in advance what they're getting. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28293 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 6:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? > chris towers wrote: > > > I can appreciate some of the tracks are different, but why all > the whining?? It's like this: If you are at a sports event and you see the 100m run. You see mister x win. When you get home and watch tv and you see the same event and they tell that mister y won... Isn't that a bit strange? Maybe a strange comparison but for me it's the same as with the 'live' releases of TD. I'm not whining, I'm just saying that it's not what was played. I'm not that interested in TD nowadays anyway and I'm not complaining about it...it's just not my kind of music thats all. It's great that lots of you do like it, I wish I did so I could buy it... Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: chris towers Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 6:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? Yeah true, i mean on the TDI webpage there is at the bottom of the main screen links to download short passages of albums upcoming, or just released, but there wasnt one for the i Box, maybe now we know why, but even after saying that, i have virtually all TDs music, and i was still happy with the i-Box, maybe thats just me having the Desire to have it all in my collection, but yes, ill admit, i like it.... Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 6:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? From: 'chris towers' > is there someone at TDI thats can be approached or indeed > has this already been done?? I believe there is a rep from TDI who posts here occasionally to promote releases, but Edgar is an Artist, and Artsits don't listen to the opinions of their fans or their critics. It's just not the done thing. This is fair enough, but the trouble is Edgar also uses this argument to defend his business practices. Maff _______________________________________________________ www.mst3uk.com www.tachyon.ic24.net www.eclipsecafe.com From: Julannparc@a... Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? This page now seems to be nothing more than a TD (and particularly Edgar) slating agency.Its enough to make a cat laugh listening to so called diehards, mediocre musicians and fly-by night know it alls literally hammering the final nails into what they see as the awating TD coffins. Some of you seem to forget the joy this GREAT musician (EF) and this band have bestowed upon your lives throughout the last 34 years or so,this band has survived the test of time in a music genre which has never had a massive following,it has seen many upheavals and shifting line-ups,some positive some negative,but Edgar froese always had the balls to keep it going.I think its high time you doubters started to get behind this band,and if you find that to difficult,get on yer horse and get outta town.The quicker Tangerine dream are written into the Rock&roll hall of fame the better,They are the cream of their genre and deserve to be rewarded.Its a shame some of you would not spend your time striving for that,instead of bannishing them to the galley slaves horizon. Tangerine dream-we will never see their like again. (SUBLIME). Colin Jouxson South Wales GB. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28296 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers Wed 8/8/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? HERE HERE MY GOOD MAN, glad someone else is on the same level as me!!!!!! nice to meet you Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 7:26 pm Subject: Nanosynth <<>> Allow me to say: Doh! Of course, I've seen those little boxes; just forgot about them. :-) For a little bit more, I also recommend the Roland JV1010 - a very nice little box. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28298 Re: Nanosynth Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 8/8/2001 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Nanosynth Have not seen that one. I will look into it. I love the nanosynths due to the fact it responds to all 16 channels at once. The korg MS2000 only one channel. I been able to combine sounds from both to create new sounds. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:26 PM Subject: [tadream] Nanosynth > <<>> > > Allow me to say: Doh! Of course, I've seen those little boxes; just forgot about them. > > :-) > > For a little bit more, I also recommend the Roland JV1010 - a very nice little box. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 8:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] live arpeggios and mellotron I bought the Korg MS2000 just for the Analog sounds with the ability to midi most of the controls. Yes I seen this and you are right, it is very close. *I have an MS2000 too.... but I have to say the absolute best deal for a fan of TD style analog synthesis emulation would have to be the Nord Micro Modular....$500 US this little baby comes REAL close to that sound we all know and love..... One of my partners in Dweller at the Threshold has a huge Serge Modular system and one builds his own MOTM modular and those are just about as close as you're going to get to a giant Moog sound..... but my little Micro comes so darn close it boggles the mind.... Poly Paul Ellis Hypnos/Binary Recordings PO Box 6868 / Portland, Or 97228 / Usa www.hypnos.com 'It is only a few years before we shall have entirely new methods of tone production by electrical means.... Thus will begin a new era in music.' Leopold Stokowski 1929 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 9:06 pm Subject: auction hi everyone i have decided to let my promo LPs go as i am going to concentrate only on compact discs form now on. my items are listed here http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/auction.htm the auction ends 10pm British Summer time tuesday 14th August i check my emails every day so the listing will be updated daily. happy bidding Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 9:21 pm Subject: onsale dates: atlanta, GA 8/10 & portland, OR 8/9 TANGERINE DREAM Tue, 10/16/01 8:00PM Variety Playhouse Atlanta, GA On Sale 8/10/01 10:00AM TANGERINE DREAM Wed, 11/14/01 8:00PM Aladdin Theatre Portland, OR On Sale 8/9/01 10:00AM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28308 Re: onsale dates: atlanta, GA 8/10 & portland, O vic rek Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB 28327 Re: onsale dates: atlanta, GA 8/10 & portland, O moxica@m... Thu 8/9/2001 3 KB From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 10:46 pm Subject: Re: Is the i-Box worth having? Hi, Sean! On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:01:43 -0400, Sean Montgomery wrote: > > >chris towers wrote: > >> I can appreciate some of the tracks are different, but why all the whining?? > >What I keep coming back to is this: Edgar and Jerome have their own record label now, so they ultimately have the final say >over how their music is being released. If a CD they put out says 'Live in Perth', we have to assume that they're telling us >the truth. But when it turns out that not a single note on that disc was performed live anywhere in Austraila, it just looks Maybe your i-Box is different! On my i-Box, on none of the covers or the booklet, do I find 'Live in Perth'. Now, it shows one track on CD 6 with the title: DreamYards (The Perth Tapes), Part 1: Red velvet rooster, Part 2: Mojave plan (desert version). Funny, though, it's as if they make a point NOT mentioning '(live)' on CD 6 as they do throughout other tracks on some of the other CDs... ...dontchya think? ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Ahhh. A man with a sharp wit. Someone ought to take it away from him before he cuts himself. --Peter da Silva From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 11:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? 'many' might be a bit strong, IMO; we who have the fantapes are a small percentage of their overall fan base. -----Original Message----- From: Sean Montgomery ... your fan base. It's a slap in the face. I mean, many of the people that they hope to sell these albums to have bootleg recordings of these concerts. They're not going to be fooled. From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 12:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] tour date update on TD site It just goes to show that we are all different in our approaches. I imagine tho', that if they were to play a large stadium - say the Olympic Stadium in Montreal - and I had a ticket for the upper tier at the end farthest from the stage, I'd probably be more conscious of the drop in temperature as the evening wore on and perhaps muse on the size of the venue and whether or not that is really the band at the otheer end, than if I were right up close. Have a look at the cover of 'Emerson, Lake and Palmer in Concert' - it basically illustrates the above scenario. If you can forget where you are, you're either a contented soul, or in deep trouble ;). T. ----- Original Message ----- From: chris towers > Hi Tony, yeah you have seen them a few times like me, > i also have seen them in manchester apollo and the > shepherds bush empire. I have seen them a few times > all over Europe, both standing, sitting, hot, cold, > big and small venues, and it didnt affect my opinion > of the shows and the live output, i enjoyed them all. > Once the Shows commenced i forgot where i was anyway > ....... > > Chris From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 1:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? I'm in the tapeless majority but I'd love to hear some of these - especially from the European tours of 1980 and 1981. Tony. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Shoults > 'many' might be a bit strong, IMO; we who have the fantapes are a small > percentage of their overall fan base. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery > ... > your fan base. It's a slap in the face. I mean, many > of the people that they hope to sell these albums to have bootleg > recordings of these concerts. They're not going to be > fooled. From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 7:13 am Subject: Re: A future that never happened He avoided Austria for that reason for a while (since he is austrian). There is no such thing as a european army. a. --- In tadream@y..., moxica@m... wrote: > I thought that Paul left Europe to avoid serving in the military. > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Wed Aug 8, 2001 9:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Edgar/Chris feud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 06 August 2001 15:56 Subject: [tadream] The Edgar/Chris feud > He also complained about Chris playing the 'ex-member of TD' card > when he started his solo career. Well, Chris had spent 17 years > building up the name 'Tangerine Dream' rather than the name 'Chris > Franke', and it seemed to me that what he did was perfectly OK, ie > trade on the TD connection for the first couple of years, until he'd > built up enough momentum on his own. Chris had never released a solo album while in the band, so this was probably the only card available for him to play. I can understand that Edgar may have got pissed off with Chris' attacks on his musical competence/productivity, but surely this feud ought to have ended a long time ago now. Dennis From: vic rek Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 12:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] onsale dates: atlanta, GA 8/10 & portland, OR 8/9 I will be picking up tickets for this show. This is a great place to see a concert and so far all the shows I've seen there are general admission. If you don't have access to ticketmaster, then let me know and I be able to get you a ticket. So who's coming to the Atlanta show? This happens to be on a Tuesday. > TANGERINE DREAM Tue, 10/16/01 > 8:00PM Variety Playhouse > Atlanta, GA On Sale > 8/10/01 10:00AM > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 1:12 pm Subject: Miracle mile video vs. CD Can somebody tell me if there is any music on the VHS video of 'Miracle mile' that didn't made it onto the official CD? Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28321 Re: Miracle mile video vs. CD Feldon Feldon Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB 28416 Re: ampmusic Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28565 Web based radio stations playing TD plus others RJF Sun 8/19/2001 3 KB 28591 Re: Web based radio stations playing TD plus othe chris towers Tue 8/21/2001 2 KB 28592 Deleted Items chris towers Tue 8/21/2001 2 KB 28324 Re: Miracle mile video vs. CD Utch Entel Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB 28328 Re: Miracle mile video vs. CD moxica@m... Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB 28347 Re: Miracle mile video vs. CD Michael A Jean Fri 8/10/2001 3 KB 28349 Re: Miracle mile video vs. CD Jim Moore Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 2:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] onsale dates: atlanta, GA 8/10 Vic, I will be bringing a party of 5 (assuming no one backs out). Do you think the tickets will sell out soon? I can't afford to buy them until at least next payday (15th). Probably coming into town earlier in the day. James > -----Original Message----- > From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] > I will be picking up tickets for this show. This is a great > place to see a concert and so far all the shows I've seen there > are general admission. If you don't have access to > ticketmaster, then let me know and I be able to get you a ticket. > > So who's coming to the Atlanta show? This happens to be on a Tuesday. > > > TANGERINE DREAM Tue, 10/16/01 > > 8:00PM Variety Playhouse > > Atlanta, GA On Sale > > 8/10/01 10:00AM Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28350 Re: onsale dates: atlanta, GA 8/10 vic rek Fri 8/10/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 2:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? Hi Tony- Where do you live? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Walsh [mailto:tony.walsh@c...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:08 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? > > > I'm in the tapeless majority but I'd love to hear some of > these - especially > from the European tours of 1980 and 1981. > > Tony. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Shoults > > 'many' might be a bit strong, IMO; we who have the fantapes > are a small > > percentage of their overall fan base. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sean Montgomery > > ... > > your fan base. It's a slap in the face. I mean, many > > of the people that they hope to sell these albums to have bootleg > > recordings of these concerts. They're not going to be > > fooled. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 4:19 pm Subject: 'Inferno' TD's first performance at the 'Festival Alter Musik' on October 7th in Bernau/Berlin is now starting at 7.30 pm (previous time was 8.30 pm) It's already sold out, but there still seem to be tickets available for the 2nd show which starts at 11 pm. I can hardly wait for this extravaganza :-) Heiko From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 4:34 pm Subject: Shy people (look at the starting bid) A once in a lifetime eBAY offer and you rejected it! ~lol~ http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1451324717 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28325 Re: Shy people (look at the starting bid) Jeffrey Au Yeung Thu 8/9/2001 3 KB 28330 Shy people (look at the starting bid) Tom Richmond Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 4:51 pm Subject: list 'contributions' (was RE: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having ?) Boy, do I agree. Seems some people here have big axes to grind with TD and/or Edgar. Whether it's personal vendettas for getting tangentized concert music, or perhaps some seething artistic jealousy that elevates them to hypercritical polemics. Or, may I suggest that this is most likely: TD music has evolved into something that some subscribers here simply don't enjoy anymore. These subscribers are caught in a kind of purgatory: they want to remain on the list because of the sense of community and camaraderie and fondness of 70's TD, but really *don't like* TD anymore, or their albums, or their 'business practices'. They believe that to 'save' TD, they must bash TD. Or even call for Edgar's head! It's easy enough to blast TDI 'business practices', like releasing the iBox that says 'The Perth Tapes' but misinterpreting that as 'Live at Perth', then complaining about it, as if it were a lie. (What does 'The Perth Tapes' mean to you? What does 'The Motown Monk Mix' mean to you? Was it mixed in Detroit by monks???) And yes, other examples can be listed on and on, but then why remain here if those bother you so much? I have no problem with someone saying that a particular album has no new stuff on it- just re-worked old stuff, or that studio material was mixed in with audience sounds, etc. This is simply an analysis of the music as-is. But when people start saying things like TD is 'insulting' them, I just don't get it. It is good to have a sense of belonging, a sense of community, or camaraderie. But maybe it's time for some people to move on to a new community, especially if people seem to forget that this mailing list is for TD *FANS*, not TD bashers. If you have a problem with TDI, take it up with them.... or stop buying! How did this list become the complaint bulletin board? Maybe it's my fault for letting it. Tell you what: if you would rather leave than stop whining, then leave. I've had about enough of it. If it means that you just take a vacation from the list (how's Jared these days? at age 17 he had enough maturity to do so) then go vent your negativity on the EM-Music list, where you will find many people who are eager to bash Edgar with you. But quite frankly, I don't care if the subscriber roster drops from 421 to 42 if it means getting rid of the negativity. I hate to see some people go because of the camaraderie, but I hate for them to stay because of the negativity. > -----Original Message----- > From: Julannparc@a... [mailto:Julannparc@a...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:49 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? > > > This page now seems to be nothing more than a TD (and > particularly Edgar) > slating > agency.Its enough to make a cat laugh listening to so called > diehards, > mediocre > musicians and fly-by night know it alls literally hammering > the final nails > into what they see as the awating TD coffins. Some of you > seem to forget the > joy this GREAT > musician (EF) and this band have bestowed upon your lives > throughout the last > 34 > years or so,this band has survived the test of time in a > music genre which > has never had a massive following,it has seen many upheavals > and shifting > line-ups,some > positive some negative,but Edgar froese always had the balls > to keep it > going.I think its high time you doubters started to get > behind this band,and > if you find that to difficult,get on yer horse and get outta > town.The quicker > Tangerine dream are written into the Rock&roll hall of fame > the better,They > are the cream of their genre and deserve to be rewarded.Its a > shame some of > you would not spend your time striving for that,instead of > bannishing them to > the galley slaves horizon. > Tangerine dream-we will never see their like again. (SUBLIME). > Colin Jouxson South Wales GB. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28315 Re: list 'contributions' (was RE: [tadream] Is th chris towers Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB 28357 List contributions II Glynn Naughton Fri 8/10/2001 3 KB 28359 Re: List contributions II mengels@w... Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 4:59 pm Subject: Re: list 'contributions' (was RE: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having ?) I agree totally, TD are the very best as far as im concerned, and i love them, and yes id rather see the slating dissapear aswell, if yu dont like them then GO!!!!!!!! Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'Kevin Earley' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 5:17 pm Subject: Re: list 'contributions' Personally, I wouldn't miss those individuals who cannot type, spell, or communicate in English. > I agree totally, TD are the very best as far as im > concerned, and i love them, and yes id rather see the > slating dissapear aswell, if yu dont like them then > GO!!!!!!!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28318 Re: list 'contributions' chris towers Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB 28320 Re: list 'contributions' Julannparc@a... Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB 28322 Re: list 'contributions' chris towers Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB 28329 Re: list 'contributions' Kevin Earley Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB 28331 Re: list 'contributions' Kevin Earley Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB 28337 Re: list 'contributions' Julannparc@a... Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB 28389 Re: list 'contributions' horrod6 Fri 8/10/2001 4 KB 28396 Re: list 'contributions' Hilary Wright Fri 8/10/2001 5 KB 28436 Re: list 'contributions' Frank Arellano Sun 8/12/2001 5 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 5:10 pm Subject: re: TD bashing re:TD bashing perhaps it's time to update the description of this list. We certainly don't get updates directly from TD we get it from TDI as just one example where the description doesn't fit the reality. One can be a fan and b!tch, right? They are not mutually exclusive. I've seen plenty of Fripp bashing on the king crimson list whether it's because of ill-perceived mistreatment or the truth--why should this list be different? Hell people even b!tch about the new KC gatefold CDs on that list--paraphrasing here--they don't fit my standard CD rack.... as if. --tei (who'd rather not see as much b!tching but understands it) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28319 Re: TD bashing Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 8/9/2001 3 KB From: chris towers Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 5:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list 'contributions' Why do you say that flame???? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re: TD bashing I fully agree with you. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 10:10 AM Subject: [tadream] re: TD bashing > re:TD bashing > > perhaps it's time to update the description of this list. We certainly > don't get updates directly from TD we get it from TDI as just one example > where the description doesn't fit the reality. One can be a fan and b!tch, > right? They are not mutually exclusive. I've seen plenty of Fripp bashing > on the king crimson list whether it's because of ill-perceived mistreatment > or the truth--why should this list be different? Hell people even b!tch > about the new KC gatefold CDs on that list--paraphrasing here--they don't > fit my standard CD rack.... > > as if. > > --tei (who'd rather not see as much b!tching but understands it) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Julannparc@a... Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list 'contributions' The way i type my letters is of no fault of my own,i have battled with dislexia for years.I dont think that is the issue here,some people make a lot of mistakes typing or writing when they,re angry,just like i am now. We are talking about Tangerine Dream not somebodys unfortunate lack of handwriting skills.Get a life. Tangerine dream-The musical powerhouse. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28322 Re: list 'contributions' chris towers Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Miracle mile video vs. CD I taped the movie with my TiVo, so I guess I'd better watch it and compare. -Morgan At 03:12 PM 8/9/2001 +0200, you wrote: >Can somebody tell me if there is any music on the VHS video of 'Miracle >mile' that didn't made it onto the official CD? > >Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28416 Re: ampmusic Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28565 Web based radio stations playing TD plus others RJF Sun 8/19/2001 3 KB 28591 Re: Web based radio stations playing TD plus othe chris towers Tue 8/21/2001 2 KB 28592 Deleted Items chris towers Tue 8/21/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 5:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list 'contributions' Your typing is just fine mate, nothing to worry about, dont let the remarks get you down, Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 5:53 pm Subject: Re: list 'contributions' (was RE: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having?) As some of this is obviously directed at me - a long time lurker and TD fan for many years who piped up to offer his opinions, mostly negative granted, but still opinions posted to a *discussion list* - allow me to respond with some facts and a parting comment. If you want to get nitpicky about the IBox, no, it does not say LIVE IN PERTH on the packaging. Nor does it give a concert date or venue. However, it does say LIVE IN PERTH on the official TDI site, and that is how it was marketed before release. As a compilation with an unreleased '82 concert tape. Check the archives. If you want to maintain that it was always intended to be a remix of Froese solo works and studio material, that PERTH TAPES is just a really cool name for it, and that this is all some huge misunderstanding on behalf of the fans go right ahead. Some people shelled out Ł45 for this white elephant expecting at the very least a tangentized concert. Sitting next to my desk on the floor are two piles of CD's stretching almost 2 meters in the air. Most of these discs are TD, from Phaedra to DM3. This means that a) I badly need a CD rack, and b) I'm a fan. It *is* possible to be a fan and still criticise you know. In fact I'd argue that the more passionate and heartfelt the criticism, the more of a fan you are. The complains here are not trolls on the level of 'TD sux'. They are often well thought out and reasoned. If as you claim Joe, tadream is now awash with fans bitching, maybe that means something. Maybe, as I've suggested before, some of that bitching is justified? If you don't want to read these complains, I suggest you revise the group description accordingly. Enjoy the extensive threads about whether Seven Letters is merely 'KewL' or 'Really KeWL' Finally, a friend and I run a small non-profit web community at www.eclipsecafe.com Discussion lists, email support, chatrooms, spin off websites, no advertising. The lot. A TD forum has just been created. Anyone who no longer feels that they belong on this list are more than welcome to pop over. I'll put the kettle on. ;-) Maff _______________________________________________________ www.mst3uk.com www.tachyon.ic24.net www.eclipsecafe.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28326 Re: list 'contributions' (was RE: [tadream] Is th Paul Lawler Thu 8/9/2001 5 KB 28332 Re: list 'contributions' (was RE: [tadream] Is th odean@m... Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 5:55 pm Subject: Re: Miracle mile video vs. CD Hi, Heiko! >Can somebody tell me if there is any music on the VHS video of 'Miracle >mile' that didn't made it onto the official CD? > >Heiko Nope.... ...not a song missing. Actually, I think the album has one not in the movie... ...or maybe just a very, very short part of it. ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves. --Abraham Lincoln From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shy people (look at the starting bid) Heiko Thats funny, but I guess the seller meant $9.95, and the fingers did not obey....8-) Jeffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: Heiko Heerssen To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 12:34 AM Subject: [tadream] Shy people (look at the starting bid) > A once in a lifetime eBAY offer and you rejected it! ~lol~ > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1451324717 > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 6:21 pm Subject: Re: list 'contributions' (was RE: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having?) I have to agree with Matthew .Of course though being one of the musicians that complains then I must be one of the 'mediocre musicians with seething artistic jealousy' . It is supposed to be a discussion list is it not ? you know for all the things we like and dont like about TD . Or do you only want the list for swapping bar code numbers and lavishing hero worship on Edgar ? because the TDI guestbook already exists . People mostly complain about the new albums because they are new and topical . You dont expect us to dedicate each day of the month to re-visiting the greatness of old albums do you? As for the speeeling mistakes mail !!??? .....some people have to type fast because they actually have friends to go out with . Paul From: Matthew Sawyer To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 6:53 PM Subject: Re: list 'contributions' (was RE: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having?) > As some of this is obviously directed at me - a long time lurker and TD fan for > many years who piped up to offer his opinions, mostly negative granted, but > still opinions posted to a *discussion list* - allow me to respond with some > facts and a parting comment. > > If you want to get nitpicky about the IBox, no, it does not say LIVE IN PERTH on > the packaging. Nor does it give a concert date or venue. However, it does say > LIVE IN PERTH on the official TDI site, and that is how it was marketed before > release. As a compilation with an unreleased '82 concert tape. Check the > archives. If you want to maintain that it was always intended to be a remix of > Froese solo works and studio material, that PERTH TAPES is just a really cool > name for it, and that this is all some huge misunderstanding on behalf of the > fans go right ahead. Some people shelled out Ł45 for this white elephant > expecting at the very least a tangentized concert. > > Sitting next to my desk on the floor are two piles of CD's stretching almost 2 > meters in the air. Most of these discs are TD, from Phaedra to DM3. This means > that a) I badly need a CD rack, and b) I'm a fan. It *is* possible to be a fan > and still criticise you know. In fact I'd argue that the more passionate and > heartfelt the criticism, the more of a fan you are. The complains here are not > trolls on the level of 'TD sux'. They are often well thought out and reasoned. > > If as you claim Joe, tadream is now awash with fans bitching, maybe that means > something. Maybe, as I've suggested before, some of that bitching is justified? > If you don't want to read these complains, I suggest you revise the group > description accordingly. Enjoy the extensive threads about whether Seven Letters > is merely 'KewL' or 'Really KeWL' > > Finally, a friend and I run a small non-profit web community at > www.eclipsecafe.com Discussion lists, email support, chatrooms, spin off > websites, no advertising. The lot. A TD forum has just been created. Anyone who > no longer feels that they belong on this list are more than welcome to pop over. > I'll put the kettle on. ;-) > > > Maff > _______________________________________________________ > www.mst3uk.com > www.tachyon.ic24.net > www.eclipsecafe.com > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: moxica@m... Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] onsale dates: atlanta, GA 8/10 & portland, OR 8/9 Me! But then, I can get my own tickets- Do you think the ''mosh pit'' will still be open for this concert? What's the name of that pub across the street? -jim ----Original Message----- >From: vic rek >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subj: Re: [tadream] onsale dates: atlanta, GA 8/10 & portland, OR 8/9 >Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:25 AM > >I will be picking up tickets for this show. This is a great place to see a concert and so far all the shows I've seen there >are general admission. If you don't have access to ticketmaster, then let me know and I be able to get you a ticket. > >So who's coming to the Atlanta show? This happens to be on a Tuesday. > >> TANGERINE DREAM Tue, 10/16/01 >> 8:00PM Variety Playhouse >> Atlanta, GA On Sale >> 8/10/01 10:00AM >> > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: moxica@m... Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 5:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Miracle mile video vs. CD There are some chord passages, but almost all the movie music is present on the album. Great flick, by the way. ----Original Message----- >From: Heiko Heerssen >Can somebody tell me if there is any music on the VHS video of 'Miracle >mile' that didn't made it onto the official CD? From: 'Kevin Earley' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 6:48 pm Subject: Re: list 'contributions' > As for the speeeling mistakes mail !!??? .....some people have to type fast > because they actually have friends to go out with . ROTFLMAO From: Tom Richmond Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 6:47 pm Subject: Shy people (look at the starting bid) A once in a lifetime eBAY offer and you rejected it! ~lol~ http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1451324717 I have an LP copy I'd be willing to part with for -much- less... Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful From: 'Kevin Earley' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 6:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list 'contributions' > The way i type my letters is of no fault of my own,i have battled with > dislexia for years.I dont think that is the issue here,some people make a lot > of mistakes typing or writing when they,re angry,just like i am now. We are > talking about Tangerine > Dream not somebodys unfortunate lack of handwriting skills. That you suffer from Dyslexia is unfortunate; but not an excuse. I assume that you can read; and that the words 'Spell Check' have meaning for you. I do, however; apologize for picking on you. > Get a life. 'Physician, heal thyself.' From: odean@m... Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 9:49 pm Subject: Re: list 'contributions' (was RE: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having?) At 06:53 PM 8/9/01 +0100, Maff wrote: >The complains here are not trolls on the level of 'TD sux'. They are often >well thought out and reasoned. > >Maff Partly true, but don't forget the complaints that don't have anything to do with music. How Edgar looks as he gets up in age, Jerome's hair, etc, etc. Yeah sure, they are public figures and it comes with the territory to be put under the microscope, but loving or hating the music has little to do with Edgar's frown or Jerome's gangsta hand signals. List members seems to try to outdo one another with so called 'humorous' personal attacks on Edgar, and that certainly gets tiresome. 'O' From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: Nord Micro Oh, the Nord Micro sounds very interesting - I thought it cost a lot more. Will definitely have to check it out. Us mediocre musicians need all the help we can get. ;-) <<>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28334 Re: Nord Micro Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 8/9/2001 4 KB 28353 Re: Nord Micro john@p... Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28453 Re: Nord Micro Bill Fox Mon 8/13/2001 3 KB 28462 Re: Nord Micro john@p... Mon 8/13/2001 2 KB 28464 Re: Nord Micro Bill Fox Mon 8/13/2001 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 7:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Nord Micro The JV 1010 on Roland web site does look interesting. Seems I got some samples of the Nord off Future Music on a CD to check it out. Maybe go there or to Nord web site and see if they have any samples posted. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: [tadream] Nord Micro > Oh, the Nord Micro sounds very interesting - I thought it cost a lot more. Will definitely have to check it out. > > Us mediocre musicians need all the help we can get. > > ;-) > > > > << most of the controls. Yes I seen this and you are right, it is very close. > > > *I have an MS2000 too.... but I have to say the absolute best deal for a fan > of TD style analog synthesis emulation would have to be the Nord Micro > Modular....$500 US this little baby comes REAL close to that sound we all > know and love..... > One of my partners in Dweller at the Threshold has a huge Serge Modular > system and one builds his own MOTM modular and those are just about as close > as you're going to get to a giant Moog sound..... but my little Micro comes > so darn close it boggles the mind.... > > Poly > > Paul Ellis > Hypnos/Binary Recordings > PO Box 6868 / Portland, Or 97228 / Usa > www.hypnos.com>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28353 Re: Nord Micro john@p... Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 7:42 pm Subject: EF Bashing Personally, I have no vendettas or secret agendas... I've been listening to TD for the better part of my life; their music has given me a lot of enjoyment and I have also learned very much from them. I've always considered EF as one of my musical teachers, if you will. You might have something there in terms of people wanting TD to be like the TD that they first discovered (you mentioned 70s TD). Maybe that's partly what it is... But that isn't so surprising. With such a large output of albums and having been around for as long as they have, I think there are probably several generations of us TD fans. I bet everyone has personal preferences as to what their favorite periods are and what type of music they would hope to hear. I know I have certain periods that I like better than others. Or, should I say liked... For a long time I didn't really like much of the recent stuff. I really loved the late 70s/early 80s stuff. First discovered TD when I came across Encore at Sears (of all places!). But recently I've 'discovered' the newer stuff beginning when I finally took the plunge and picked up Tang-o and lately have been listening almost exclusively to newer stuff. I guess it's difficult not to get emotionally involved in something that we all seem to love so much and I guess then we complain and grump like siblings in a family or something. But, here's an interesting (I think) topic for discussion... How did you first discover TD and how did it affect you? In my case (as I said)... I was at Sears with my family and things were taking a while, so I decided to hang out in the Sears record department for a while. Wasn't looking for anything in particular and somehow came upon Encore and was intrigued by the picture on the cover with all the gear and just the 'exotic' feeling of some of the other albums (I think they had Phaedra and Rubycon too). That day changed everything for me and it opened up a whole new world. I not only fell in love with TDs music, but with music in general. I played Encore over and over before I could save up my money to get more albums, and then I would get stuff as soon as it came out. One time I heard that there was going to be an interview with TD in Keyboard magazine and the only place you could get that was at a music store, so I made a detour to the local music store on my way home from school and got to see my first Minimoog in real life. The rest, as they say, is history. Anyway, that's my mediocre story. << Subject: list 'contributions' (was RE: Is the i-Box worth having ?) Boy, do I agree. Seems some people here have big axes to grind with TD and/or Edgar. Whether it's personal vendettas for getting tangentized concert music, or perhaps some seething artistic jealousy that elevates them to hypercritical polemics. Or, may I suggest that this is most likely: TD music has evolved into something that some subscribers here simply don't enjoy anymore. These subscribers are caught in a kind of purgatory: they want to remain on the list because of the sense of community and camaraderie and fondness of 70's TD, but really *don't like* TD anymore, or their albums, or their 'business practices'. They believe that to 'save' TD, they must bash TD. Or even call for Edgar's head! >>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28355 Re: EF Bashing / Contributions Hilary Wright Fri 8/10/2001 6 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 7:48 pm Subject: English - not so quick to flame Well, on one level this is true, but on the other hand, let's not forget that this list is international in scope, and one assumes that everyone does the best they can. I'm sure my German isn't too perfect, ya know? signed, An English Major who took typing in high school, but who occasionally still makes a mistake, and someone who's been working in publishing for a very long time. << Subject: Re: list 'contributions' Personally, I wouldn't miss those individuals who cannot type, spell, or communicate in English.>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28338 Re: English - not so quick to flame Marcel Engels Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB 28344 Re: English - not so quick to flame PERGAMON Thu 8/9/2001 3 KB 28374 Re: English - not so quick to flame Kevin Earley Fri 8/10/2001 3 KB 28375 Re: English - not so quick to flame mengels@w... Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28376 Re: English - not so quick to flame chris towers Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28379 Re: English - not so quick to flame Utch Entel Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28381 Re: English - not so quick to flame Kevin Earley Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28425 Re: English - not so quick to flame Adele Outland Sat 8/11/2001 2 KB From: Julannparc@a... Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 7:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list 'contributions' Ho ho ho How very f**king touching.Sh*t ive mixed up my letters again. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 7:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] English - not so quick to flame > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:17:30 -0400 > From: 'Kevin Earley' > Subject: Re: list 'contributions' > > > > Personally, I wouldn't miss those individuals who cannot type, spell, or > communicate in English.>>> Hmm I haven't followed the discussions lately but if what you said above is serious then I find you very narrow minded. Not everyone speaks English fluid. Kevin, how is your Dutch and German? Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: [ot] [gas] nord vs access Ok, I'll go off topic and ask some of the considerably more-than-mediocre musicians on this list if they can compare/contrast the nord synths with the access synths? I had been looking into buying--if they ever are in stock again :) an access--most likely a virus XXXX, but I'd like to know more about the nord micro modular. Mostly I'd use it to generate sounds. And what does my PC need to connect to a nord micromodular? And since my PC's about due for an upgrade--do you think a nord would work well with a new generation japanese laptop like a LOOX or should I get something with a large screen for easy viewing? --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28343 Re: [ot] [gas] nord vs access Marcel Engels Thu 8/9/2001 3 KB 28452 Re: [ot] [gas] nord vs access Bill Fox Mon 8/13/2001 4 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 9:11 pm Subject: how I 'discovered' TD lemme see, I was in college and a friend who knew what my roomie and I were doing that evening thought it would be a great time to bring an album over that we might like. He was correct. That album was Force Majeure--still my favorite. Found 'stratosfear' next.... A long strange trip, indeed. --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28342 Re: how I 'discovered' TD Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 8/9/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 9:16 pm Subject: chicago hob 11/2 onsale 8/11/01 TANGERINE DREAM Fri, 11/2/01 9:00PM House of Blues Chicago, IL On Sale 8/11/01 10:00AM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 9:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] how I 'discovered' TD Was in Stationed in Spain in 1982-85, outside Madrid, was at a record store looking for some music, saw Thief soundtrack, remembered the movie and the music. Bought it, went back for more TD. Bought everything I could find at that store, Edgar solo stuff as well. Been converting records and bootlegs over to commercial CD's so I wont destroy my vinyl. Last 10 years been converting some tracks to midi to learn how they did it as well as improve on my own stuff. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 9:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] [ot] [gas] nord vs access > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > > Ok, I'll go off topic and ask some of the considerably more-than-mediocre > musicians on this list if they can compare/contrast the nord > synths with the > access synths? I had been looking into buying--if they ever are in stock > again :) an access--most likely a virus XXXX, but I'd like to know more > about the nord micro modular. I've got the Access Virus A. I like it a lot and it is my main working horse. If you ever get to hear one with the standard preset sounds in it, then don't be fooled by the sounds. They are mostly techno like sounds, although not all of them. Work with it and you'll hear its power. Can't exactly say why I choose the Virus, I heard it on a CD from a German magazine and I knew that that was my machine. Never heard the micro though, although a friend of mine has a Nord Modular and it can sound very good too. Can't imagine working without the Virus. It's capable of all the analog sounds you want and even some PPG waves. > And since my PC's about due for an upgrade--do you think a nord > would work > well with a new generation japanese laptop like a LOOX or should I get > something with a large screen for easy viewing? I know that that friend has just bought a laptop 2nd hand (I believe a P133) and it works with the Nord. Although if you want to have some space on your monitor you should get something big, a 19 inch monitor is no luxe with all those modules on your screen. Just to have a bit of TD content: I really wonder if TD use virtual analog stuff...it gives them so much more freedom on stage then a gigasampler. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 10:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] English - not so quick to flame Hi Apparently Kevin is under the impression that everyone is speaking, spelling and writing english fluently. To that I can tell Kevin that the most spoken language in the world is not english, but Mandarin-Chinese. I do not believe that many people on this list can speak, spell or write this language........what does it make us/you??????? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marcel Engels' To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] English - not so quick to flame > > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:17:30 -0400 > > From: 'Kevin Earley' > > Subject: Re: list 'contributions' > > > > > > > > Personally, I wouldn't miss those individuals who cannot type, spell, or > > communicate in English.>>> > > Hmm I haven't followed the discussions lately but if > what you said above is serious then I find you very > narrow minded. Not everyone speaks English fluid. > Kevin, how is your Dutch and German? > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 11:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? Hi Joe, I live in in Ilford, Essex just to the east of London. T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Shoults > Hi Tony- > Where do you live? > Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tony Walsh [mailto:tony.walsh@c...] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:08 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? > > > > > > I'm in the tapeless majority but I'd love to hear some of > > these - especially > > from the European tours of 1980 and 1981. > > > > Tony. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joe Shoults > > > 'many' might be a bit strong, IMO; we who have the fantapes > > are a small > > > percentage of their overall fan base. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Sean Montgomery > > > ... > > > your fan base. It's a slap in the face. I mean, many > > > of the people that they hope to sell these albums to have bootleg > > > recordings of these concerts. They're not going to be > > > fooled. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28358 Re: Is the i-Box worth having? chris towers Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Aug 9, 2001 11:54 pm Subject: Marcel----------Virus a > I've got the Access Virus A. > Marcel Hi Marcel If you havne't already gotten the info, the long awaited OS-update for the Virus a, is available for download from their homepage. regards Jan From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:00 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Miracle mile video vs. CD FRom my recollection, it is one of the few where the music on the CD is exactly the same as the music in the film... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:28 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Miracle mile video vs. CD > > > I taped the movie with my TiVo, so I guess I'd better watch it > and compare. > > -Morgan > > At 03:12 PM 8/9/2001 +0200, you wrote: > >Can somebody tell me if there is any music on the VHS video of 'Miracle > >mile' that didn't made it onto the official CD? > > > >Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28349 Re: Miracle mile video vs. CD Jim Moore Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28360 Re: Miracle mile video vs. CD chris towers Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28361 Warsaw Show chris towers Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] English - and a new topic Yes, most spoken, but not most WIDELY spoken, because most of them are confined to China. And they can't type. And aren't on the internet :-) And as we all know, the predominant language in the USA within a couple of years will be Spanish anyway. So this will be 'el grupo de discusión para la sueno mandarina' :-) New Topic (perhaps an old one); Has anyone read and does anyone have an opinion on Paul Stump's book 'Digital Gothic'? PERGAMON wrote: > Hi > > Apparently Kevin is under the impression that everyone is speaking, spelling and writing english fluently. To that I can tell Kevin that the most spoken language in the world is not english, but Mandarin-Chinese. I do not believe that many people on this list can speak, spell or write this language........what does it make us/you??????? > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Marcel Engels' > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:58 PM > Subject: RE: [tadream] English - not so quick to flame > > > > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:17:30 -0400 > > > From: 'Kevin Earley' > > > Subject: Re: list 'contributions' > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I wouldn't miss those individuals who cannot type, spell, or > > > communicate in English.>>> > > > > Hmm I haven't followed the discussions lately but if > > what you said above is serious then I find you very > > narrow minded. Not everyone speaks English fluid. > > Kevin, how is your Dutch and German? > > > > Marcel > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > > mengels@w... > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28352 Re: English - and a new topic Frank Arellano Fri 8/10/2001 5 KB 28362 Re: English - and a new topic PERGAMON Fri 8/10/2001 5 KB 28363 digital gothic (was: Re: English - and a new topi Armin Theissen Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28373 Re: English - and a new topic moxica@m... Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:13 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Miracle mile video vs. CD >From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] >FRom my recollection, it is one of the few where the music on the CD is >exactly the same as the music in the film... That, and 'The Keep' [ducking and running...] - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28360 Re: Miracle mile video vs. CD chris towers Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28361 Warsaw Show chris towers Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB From: vic rek Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] onsale dates: atlanta, GA 8/10 Hi James, I think it should be no problem.. King Crimson just played here and they didn't sel out until 2 days before the show. I guess you'll have to pay the ticketmaster charges. :( Vic 'Owens, James' wrote: > Vic, > > I will be bringing a party of 5 (assuming no one backs out). > Do you think the tickets will sell out soon? I can't afford to > buy them until at least next payday (15th). Probably coming into > town earlier in the day. > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] > > > I will be picking up tickets for this show. This is a great > > place to see a concert and so far all the shows I've seen there > > are general admission. If you don't have access to > > ticketmaster, then let me know and I be able to get you a ticket. > > > > So who's coming to the Atlanta show? This happens to be on a Tuesday. > > > > > TANGERINE DREAM Tue, 10/16/01 > > > 8:00PM Variety Playhouse > > > Atlanta, GA On Sale > > > 8/10/01 10:00AM > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 2:56 am Subject: Re: Discovery of TD In a message dated 8/9/01 3:50:02 PM, Liondream@a... writes: >But, here's an interesting (I think) topic for discussion... > >How did you first discover TD and how did it affect you? Someone else discovered TD for me and passed it on. I was about 8 years old or so, and was attending a planetarium show at the Cleveland Museum of Natural History. There was some music playing before the show started, and it sounded like nothing I had ever heard. Of course, I had only been around for 8 years, so I hadn't encountered a great variety of music. But anyway, this strange music was so fascinating that after the show, my mother and I went up and asked the astronomer what it was. It turned out to be a solo recording by a member, or perhaps former member, of a group called 'Tangerine Dream.' (To this day I don't know what album it was, and I'm not sure I'd recognize it if I heard it.) For my next birthday, my mother remembered what the astronomer had said and got me a cassette of 'Exit.' Thus began my love of TD and electronic music in general. ('Exit' remains one of my favorite TD albums.) I believe that astronomer still works at the museum. Someday I should probably go thank him. --Daniel NP: Fluke--Progressive History X Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28354 Re: Discovery of TD Hilary Wright Fri 8/10/2001 3 KB 28364 Re: Discovery of TD Armin Theissen Fri 8/10/2001 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 3:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] English - and a new topic I've read it. As the front cover indicates it's a *critical* discography. Most everyone I believe will need a dictionary handy to accurately understand some of his verbiage 8-) I read it about two or three years ago at a time when I was a relatively new to TD, so a lot of the info was interesting and new to me. I'm sure though if I go back and read it again I will see things with a slightly different light/perspective. Recommended to anyone new to TD and/or who wants to learn as much as they can about them and their releases. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'ampmusic' To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] English - and a new topic Yes, most spoken, but not most WIDELY spoken, because most of them are confined to China. And they can't type. And aren't on the internet :-) And as we all know, the predominant language in the USA within a couple of years will be Spanish anyway. So this will be 'el grupo de discusión para la sueno mandarina' :-) New Topic (perhaps an old one); Has anyone read and does anyone have an opinion on Paul Stump's book 'Digital Gothic'? PERGAMON wrote: > Hi > > Apparently Kevin is under the impression that everyone is speaking, spelling and writing english fluently. To that I can tell Kevin that the most spoken language in the world is not english, but Mandarin-Chinese. I do not believe that many people on this list can speak, spell or write this language........what does it make us/you??????? > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Marcel Engels' > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:58 PM > Subject: RE: [tadream] English - not so quick to flame > > > > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:17:30 -0400 > > > From: 'Kevin Earley' > > > Subject: Re: list 'contributions' > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I wouldn't miss those individuals who cannot type, spell, or > > > communicate in English.>>> > > > > Hmm I haven't followed the discussions lately but if > > what you said above is serious then I find you very > > narrow minded. Not everyone speaks English fluid. > > Kevin, how is your Dutch and German? > > > > Marcel > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > > mengels@w... > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: john@p... Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 7:03 am Subject: Re: Nord Micro --- In tadream@y..., 'Administrator for kay-net.com' > Seems I got some samples of the Nord off Future Music on a CD to check it > out. Maybe go there or to Nord web site and see if they have any > samples posted. The track 'Bock' from the new Airsculpture album 'Quark Soup' was performed (improvised live, no overdubs) entirely on 3 Nord Modulars. You can hear it at http://www.mp3.com/airsculpture/ The rest of the album is stuffed full of Nord, especially used for sequencing. Plug Mode Off. Sorry for the shameless self promotion :) jc From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 7:08 am Subject: Re: Discovery of TD I first came across TD in '74 when I heard Pheadra playing in a Virgin music store in Bristol, UK. I was at University there and the sound really intriqued me - it was so different! I bought the record (I still have it in my collection) and I've been collecting ever since. There are some periods I don't listen to much. I've converted almost all my collection to MP3 format so that I can listen without having to keep changing the record at home and at work. BTW Virgin had just started but at the time they had just about the biggest 'avant garde' music collection you could find (and remember EM was an unknown genre then). I remember also buying Tubular Bells about 6 months before it became a major hit. Shame TD never had the same success and radio air time. The major EM bands then where Kraftwerk, TD, Neu! - all experimental German bands looking to break out of the anglo-saxon stranglehold on popular music. --- In tadream@y..., quarlie@a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/9/01 3:50:02 PM, Liondream@a... writes: > > >But, here's an interesting (I think) topic for discussion... > > > >How did you first discover TD and how did it affect you? > From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 7:21 am Subject: Re: EF Bashing / Contributions In any discusion forum you need BALANCE of opinions. While I agree with arguments from both sides in this discussion, I want to make the following points, a) a list that is just a 'love' list is not balanced - it is healthy to criticise but let's be constructive. b) some recent criticism here has been too vitriolic to be called balanced. Ask yourself how you would have reacted if the criticism was disrected against you (and sometimes personally)? I suggest you would have been angry and then ignored it. This isn't constructive and doesn't help the artist to evolve. c) I believe an artist does need criticism to help him to develop. But personal attacks don't help. Joe, I think we should apply some 'good practise' rules. 1) Healthy constructive criticism only 2) No personal remarks about hair style, shoe size et! 3) And lets keep the discussion polite, flames are not constructive. What do you think? Hilary --- In tadream@y..., Liondream@a... wrote: > Personally, I have no vendettas or secret agendas... I've been listening to TD for the better part of my life; their music has given me a lot of enjoyment and I have also learned very much from them. I've always considered EF as one of my musical teachers, if you will. > > You might have something there in terms of people wanting TD to be like the TD that they first discovered (you mentioned 70s TD). Maybe that's partly what it is... > > But that isn't so surprising. With such a large output of albums and having been around for as long as they have, I think there are probably several generations of us TD fans. I bet everyone has personal preferences as to what their favorite periods are and what type of music they would hope to hear. > > I know I have certain periods that I like better than others. > > Or, should I say liked... > > For a long time I didn't really like much of the recent stuff. I really loved the late 70s/early 80s stuff. First discovered TD when I came across Encore at Sears (of all places!). > > But recently I've 'discovered' the newer stuff beginning when I finally took the plunge and picked up Tang-o and lately have been listening almost exclusively to newer stuff. > > I guess it's difficult not to get emotionally involved in something that we all seem to love so much and I guess then we complain and grump like siblings in a family or something. > > But, here's an interesting (I think) topic for discussion... > > How did you first discover TD and how did it affect you? > > In my case (as I said)... > > I was at Sears with my family and things were taking a while, so I decided to hang out in the Sears record department for a while. Wasn't looking for anything in particular and somehow came upon Encore and was intrigued by the picture on the cover with all the gear and just the 'exotic' feeling of some of the other albums (I think they had Phaedra and Rubycon too). > > That day changed everything for me and it opened up a whole new world. I not only fell in love with TDs music, but with music in general. I played Encore over and over before I could save up my money to get more albums, and then I would get stuff as soon as it came out. > > One time I heard that there was going to be an interview with TD in Keyboard magazine and the only place you could get that was at a music store, so I made a detour to the local music store on my way home from school and got to see my first Minimoog in real life. > > The rest, as they say, is history. > > Anyway, that's my mediocre story. > > > > > > > << Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:51:42 -0400 > From: Joe Shoults > Subject: list 'contributions' (was RE: Is the i-Box worth having ?) > > Boy, do I agree. Seems some people here have big axes to grind with TD > and/or Edgar. Whether it's personal vendettas for getting tangentized > concert music, or perhaps some seething artistic jealousy that elevates them > to hypercritical polemics. Or, may I suggest that this is most likely: TD > music has evolved into something that some subscribers here simply don't > enjoy anymore. These subscribers are caught in a kind of purgatory: they > want to remain on the list because of the sense of community and camaraderie > and fondness of 70's TD, but really *don't like* TD anymore, or their > albums, or their 'business practices'. They believe that to 'save' TD, they > must bash TD. Or even call for Edgar's head! >>> From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 7:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: EF Bashing / Contributions > c) I believe an artist does need criticism to help him to develop. > But personal attacks don't help. Absolutely true. About two years ago I was a member of the King Crimson mailing list called 'Elephant Talk', and sometimes Robert Fripp (leader and founder of the band, and a very polite & friendly person IMO) occasionally joined the discussion by explaining or replying to some of the threads. But things somehow got out of hand and one stupid guy posted a very insulting mail (something like 'all you did since the early 80s is total crap, get lost'), and all of a sudden Mr. Fripp had to defend himself by replying to this e-mail by saying that he's in the music business for more than 30 years etc. etc. This was the reason why I unsubscribed from the list, because when fans turn into fanatics or selfdeclared 'experts' it all gets pretty embarrassing or annoying. > 1) Healthy constructive criticism only > 2) No personal remarks about hair style, shoe size et! > 3) And lets keep the discussion polite, flames are not constructive. > > What do you think? I know this question was directed to Joe, but I think 1) - 3) are absolutely right, and I know that it's not your intention to 'educate' the list members here. Heiko From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 8:36 am Subject: List contributions II --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > Boy, do I agree. Seems some people here have big axes to grind with TD Ok, let's summarise some of the comments from the last few days: 1. We're not supposed to talk about the Edgar/Chris feud because that's 'gossip' and it's in the past. 2. We're not supposed to talk about the type of venue that TD play in because when they start playing the venue is irrelevant. 3. We're not supposed to mention Edgar's/Jerome's age/hands/weight/hair in any context whatsoever. 4. We're not supposed to speculate about the financial predicament of TD/TDI. 5. We're not supposed to talk about Paul Haslinger's health/avoidance of military service etc. 6. In fact, we're not supposed to do anything except have threads like 'Wow! Isn't _Tangram_ great?' And those are just the ones that I can remember off the top of my head. The thing that really, really gets on my tits is that so far as I can see, the people who are laying down these restrictions HAVE NOT INTRODUCED A SINGLE FUCKING NEW THREAD THEMSELVES! And then if the regulars pipe down, there'll be a load of 'Boy, it's quiet round here'-type posts. And don't give me that bollocks about how you're 'too busy' to contribute. If you've got time so subscribe to something as trivial as a mailing list dealing with an obscure German pop group and to read the posts, you ain't that busy. Don't kid yourself. Anyway, Joe's right. It's time for a tadream holiday... Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28359 Re: List contributions II mengels@w... Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 8:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? Im in kent so not far from you boys Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 10:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] List contributions II > Quoten Glynn Naughton : > > > > Ok, let's summarise some of the comments from the last few days: > > 1. We're not supposed to talk about the Edgar/Chris feud because > that's 'gossip' and it's in the past. etc. Ahh yes, finally some sense. I agree with you on this Glynn. We are 'allowed' to talk about TD about everything. There are always subjects that people don't like, just delete it and ignore it. So, does anybody know if TD is using virtual analogs? Or computer-based analogs etc.? What is their latest equipment-list? Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: chris towers Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:28 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Miracle mile video vs. CD Hi again all, is anyone making the trip to see the Warsaw show on Aug 31st?? im gonna make the trip from the uk, anyone else???? Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: chris towers Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:29 am Subject: Warsaw Show Anyone making the trip to see the Warsaw show, im making the trip from the UK, anyone else???? Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] English - and a new topic Hehe........ Yes please, two of those and your best wine.........eeehhhhh.....por favor Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'ampmusic' To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] English - and a new topic Yes, most spoken, but not most WIDELY spoken, because most of them are confined to China. And they can't type. And aren't on the internet :-) And as we all know, the predominant language in the USA within a couple of years will be Spanish anyway. So this will be 'el grupo de discusión para la sueno mandarina' :-) New Topic (perhaps an old one); Has anyone read and does anyone have an opinion on Paul Stump's book 'Digital Gothic'? PERGAMON wrote: > Hi > > Apparently Kevin is under the impression that everyone is speaking, spelling and writing english fluently. To that I can tell Kevin that the most spoken language in the world is not english, but Mandarin-Chinese. I do not believe that many people on this list can speak, spell or write this language........what does it make us/you??????? > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Marcel Engels' > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:58 PM > Subject: RE: [tadream] English - not so quick to flame > > > > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:17:30 -0400 > > > From: 'Kevin Earley' > > > Subject: Re: list 'contributions' > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I wouldn't miss those individuals who cannot type, spell, or > > > communicate in English.>>> > > > > Hmm I haven't followed the discussions lately but if > > what you said above is serious then I find you very > > narrow minded. Not everyone speaks English fluid. > > Kevin, how is your Dutch and German? > > > > Marcel > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > > mengels@w... > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 10:00 am Subject: digital gothic (was: Re: English - and a new topic) Hi, I got it once from amazon and read it. Apart from some interesting and amusing anecdotes, I think the book fails completely as a 'critical discography'. Its full of personal opinions of the author, and lacks any scientific approach of a musical analysis. Very disappointing, if you ask me. armin --- In tadream@y..., ampmusic wrote: > > Has anyone read and does anyone have an opinion on Paul Stump's book 'Digital Gothic'? > > From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 10:05 am Subject: Re: Discovery of TD Hi, my cousin bought Cyclone (that was around 1980, shortly before Tangram came out), and I found that inner gatefold picture damn cool (and still do). Made tape copies, then got copies of Force Majeure and Encore which got me hooked. I was 14 and finally healed from Pink Floyd, Supertramp and early E.L.O. Soon after my friend's older brother had Klaus Schulze's X flying around. Gosh, that was some enlightening! I happened to become an astronomer then ;-) and worked there professionally for about 10 years. Now I sink into the swamp of IT companies... :-( armin http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td --- In tadream@y..., quarlie@a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/9/01 3:50:02 PM, Liondream@a... writes: > > >But, here's an interesting (I think) topic for discussion... > > > >How did you first discover TD and how did it affect you? > > Someone else discovered TD for me and passed it on. I was about 8 years old > or so, and was attending a planetarium show at the Cleveland Museum of > Natural History. There was some music playing before the show started, and it > sounded like nothing I had ever heard. Of course, I had only been around for > 8 years, so I hadn't encountered a great variety of music. But anyway, this > strange music was so fascinating that after the show, my mother and I went up > and asked the astronomer what it was. It turned out to be a solo recording by > a member, or perhaps former member, of a group called 'Tangerine Dream.' (To > this day I don't know what album it was, and I'm not sure I'd recognize it if > I heard it.) For my next birthday, my mother remembered what the astronomer > had said and got me a cassette of 'Exit.' Thus began my love of TD and > electronic music in general. ('Exit' remains one of my favorite TD albums.) > > I believe that astronomer still works at the museum. Someday I should > probably go thank him. > > --Daniel > NP: Fluke--Progressive History X From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 11:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar's creativity still going strong Sorry Paul, I have to disagree with you here. It may be easy to perceive Jerome's contributions (if one is able to separate them accurately and meaningfully from Edgar's) as having more spark and freshness about them - but I don't think it would be justified to take that as any indication of Edgar's lack of creativity. In fact, as much as I like Jerome and his input, and as much as I'm grateful to him for making some of recent TD possible, many of my favourite bits since 1990 have been 'Edgar pieces' (again, if it's possible at all to ignore the contributions Edgar and Jerome make to each other's work). Some may say that they lack direction, have less energy, and tend towards the boring. All of this has been said about TD's music since the early 70s! Personally, I like precisely those more reflective, less streamlined moments of TD. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Lawler' To: Sent: 08 August 2001 09:00 Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Shoults > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:00 AM > Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Live' or not 'Live' that is the question... > > > > So you are saying that you think Edgar should retire? Or did I > misinterpret > > this? > > > To be honest with you maybe yes he should . Jeromes tracks have a freshness > that shows he still has a passion for his work. > I dont see this in Eds tracks, and he is also responsible for the production > failings (as he always produces the albums) > He`s actually a very good producer as well, I mean albums like 'Optical > Race' have fantastic clarity and balance. > Cant think of a reason other than lack of enthusiasm for the quality change > . > > Paul > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul Lawler > > > > When (I mean if) I get to the stage when I dont regret putting out sub > > standard work then I should retire .I think Ed could well be at this > > stage, > > he must be because we see this a lot recently . Distortion on the > > albums, > > Tsk Tsk noises on another, hissing noise on a fair few, tracks and > > production which to me sound rushed ( I recognise the signs being guilty > > of > > it myself) > > These aren`t the releases of people who are passionate perfectionists > > anymore. > > They have done better as well . Rockoon and Turn of the Tides were > > really > > well produced, but then they had to be as they were on decent record > > labels > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 11:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Gothic I can recommend 'Digital Gothic' to anyone who (a) doesn't mind having to read the book at least twice in order to make sense of some of Paul Stump's adventurous cross-references...I doubt the wisdom of having each 'period' (he never explains why he separates them in this way rather than another) covered by a band history that includes some information about the discography, and a discography that includes substantial amounts of band history (b) isn't an electronic musician...I can see how you folks would be disappointed about the lack of technical detail, although the author himself points out in the preface that his is not a book for gearheads (c) can stomach Paul Stump's language, which hovers between art and shameless, self-congratulatory linguistic masturbation (d) isn't a fan of recent TD...it's quite surprising, actually, how Paul Stump's views seem to be almost identical to those of many list members who prefer the TD of the late 70s and early 80s, except that he obviously chooses to treat the reasons for his preferences in more depth and a different medium. I certainly enjoyed it. The introductory chapter on the philosophical, cultural and artistic context into which TD were born is especially interesting. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28397 Re: Digital Gothic Deb H-J Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 11:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: 07 August 2001 17:35 Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Is the i-Box worth having? > can assure you that Bondy Parade, for example, was played with a different > amount of gusto at different venues. Newcastle 81 is good, but Three Tier > Dream 2 (I think this is Hammersmith Odeon) takes the cake for the best > performance. Not just Edgar's guitar, but also Johannes melody lines while > Edgar is busy riffing. Mmmmm, a FANTASTIC concert. Still one of my favourites, and every bit as good as Logos and Poland in its own way. I can only assume that the sole reason why they never released this was that it contains quite a lot of musical passages that are very close to material that had already been released at the time. Dennis From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 11:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] SBE (was: Is the i-Box worth having?) I live in Kent too, and I enjoyed the Shepherd's Bush concert. My only gripe was the sound quality. Everyone I spoke to said it was great, so I must have been among the unlucky few on the second floor who had the walls around them resonate with the bass and drums so much that the rest of the music became practically inaudible. Did anyone else at all have this experience? Thanks for everyone's comments on the i-Box. I'm sorry it ignited such a lot of fuss over list contributions, things we are and aren't allowed to discuss, the standard of English on the list, etc. When I asked the question, it seemed innocent enough to me. Oh well. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'chris towers' To: Sent: 05 August 2001 07:23 Subject: Re: [tadream] Is the i-Box worth having? > Hi Dennis, yes mate the set is well worth having. > Despite all the humming and aaarrringg you hear on > here, it is a good package. Some of the music you will > have heard before but all in all it is very good to > listen too, dont be discouraged. > > Im in Kent by the way... See them at Shepherds Bush > this year?? > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28377 Re: SBE (was: Is the i-Box worth having?) chris towers Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 11:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A future that never happened That seems to be about the size of it. I can see, though, why the plans wouldn't have gone ahead even if Paul hadn't left for L.A. As Edgar says, the musical development of the aspired 'future members' was so different that lumping them together would have stifled both in their creativity. On the other hand, though, who could partner Jerome in the future? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' To: Sent: 06 August 2001 19:40 Subject: RE: [tadream] A future that never happened > That's the understanding I have, but that doesn't mean that Edgar was happy > about him leaving. The general gist of the quote was that Edgar was pining > for the future that he had planned for TD with Paul as a part of it. There > was no mention is THAT article hinting to what that future might have been, > but after reading the quote that started this discussion, I can see the > pieces starting to fit together: > > 1. Paul joins the band > 2. Chris quits, DEVASTATING Edgar. Edgar acts like a spurned lover. > 3. Edgar pulls himself together and hires another 3rd member. > 4. Ralf Wadephul doesn't work out, so Edgar/Paul decide to stay a duo. > 5. Jerome steps in with some studio work for Lily. > 6. The fact that Jerome has become a musician in his own right gets Edgar > thinking. > 7. Edgar asks Jerome to join, thinking of staying on a bit, then leaving > Jerome and Paul with the family business. > 8. Paul says, 'I have to leave, or they'll draft me in the military'. Edgar > doesn't want to move to L.A., so they part ways. > 9. Edgar decides to keep the business 'in the family' for a while, and not > retire just yet. > > When we DO see TD add a 3rd member, THAT'S when Edgar is starting to think > retirement again. Until then, it won't happen. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: moxica@m... [mailto:moxica@m...] > > I thought that Paul left Europe to avoid serving in the military. > > > > ----Original Message----- > >>From: 'Owens, James' > >>It would make sense. I've read another interview where Edgar > >>says (about Paul Haslinger) something like: > >>'We had planned to... but oh, well!' > > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> 'Edgar Froese: Then, my initial idea was that not Jerome and > >>> me will be going to continue the band one day, but Jerome and > >>> somebody else we did know very well. Both were prepared to > >>> take it over, but for such a kind of collaboration, they were > >>> too different in their musical aims and also in their > >>> character. Such a thing probably would not have worked. So I > >>> decided to continue with Tangerine Dream, it simply turned > >>> out to be still too early to retire (laughs).' > >>> > >>> Were we going to have a Jerome/Haslinger TD? Or who else > >>> could this person intimately familiar with Edgar and Jerome be? > >>> > >>> Dennis > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Edgar/Chris feud ----- Original Message ----- From: 'ampmusic' To: Sent: 06 August 2001 20:10 Subject: Re: [tadream] The Edgar/Chris feud > Spot on. In fact CF's first solo 'Pacific Coast Highway' didn't even have a reference to TD on it - though I think the record > label added an 'Ex-TD member' label as a sticker. And it didn't even sound (much) like TD, so couldn't even be accused of > trying to pinch their fans. Yes it does. I have the Pacific Coast Highway LP, and the inner sleeve is just littered with references to TD. There's a picture of Chris at his mixing console on one side, with the caption 'Christopher Franke, ex-Tangerine Dream, at his Berlin recording studio'. The other side is full of thumbnail pictures of TD album covers spanning the years from 1970 (!) to 1988, under the headings 'Christopher Franke with Tangerine Dream Live and Studio LPs' and 'Christopher Franke with Tangerine Dream Soundtracks'. Looking at it again, I can quite see why Edgar may have been upset seeing this. Not only is Chris introduced as 'ex-Tangerine Dream' rather than merely an ex-member, but the sleeve falsely includes 'Electronic Meditation' as a Franke album, making him out to be a founding member of TD when he wasn't. As much as I love Chris's contribution to TD and his solo works, I would probably have to admit that the LP sleeve plays the 'ex-TD' card a bit too blatantly. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28372 Re: The Edgar/Chris feud Armin Theissen Fri 8/10/2001 3 KB 28431 Re: The Edgar/Chris feud Michael A Jean Sun 8/12/2001 5 KB From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:58 am Subject: The list Hey all, wanted to post a quick note here about the bitching and complaining on the list. I LOVE Tangerine Dream, and think they rae an awesome and absolutely talented as hell band, BUT no offense intended to anyone here. I've been on egroups, onelist, and yahoogroups for years and years, and you aren't going to get away from the whiners (want some CHEESE with that whine), you're not going to get away from the bitching and whatever else, one person comparing a certain era to another era, one is better, the other isn't as good, whatever. I LOVE the music of TD, and I always read the bitching and complaining, simply because what choice do you have? I figure if you don't WANT to read it? HIT the page down button. Just like that. I know I DO :) But on another serious note, just saw another compilation tonight titled 'The best of Tangerine Dream' a 2 Cd set. IT looked JUST LIKE a lot of other songs available from various Cds, just wondering if this has anything on the Cds that might already be easily available on others, OR if it has stuff I should get because I might have a hard time finding it elsewhere? thanks. dan (who's not complaining CUZ TD keeps doing great things they're doing) Kayleighs Playhouse - Live Online http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com The ULTIMATE 80s Mailing List - 80sPopMusic FOUND HERE!!! http://www.yahoogroups.com Contact me: AOL IM (winnietiggerfan) or MSN Messenger!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:10 pm Subject: Re: The Edgar/Chris feud I wonder as to how far it was Chris' decision to put all those ex-TD references on the cover or the decision of the record company which might have thought that the album sells better that way... a. --- In tadream@y..., 'Dennis Nigbur' wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'ampmusic' > To: > Sent: 06 August 2001 20:10 > Subject: Re: [tadream] The Edgar/Chris feud > > > Spot on. In fact CF's first solo 'Pacific Coast Highway' didn't even have a reference to TD on it - though I think the record > > label added an 'Ex-TD member' label as a sticker. And it didn't even sound (much) like TD, so couldn't even be accused of > > trying to pinch their fans. > > Yes it does. I have the Pacific Coast Highway LP, and the inner sleeve is just littered with references to TD. There's a picture of Chris at his mixing console on one side, with the caption 'Christopher Franke, ex-Tangerine Dream, at his Berlin recording studio'. The other side is full of thumbnail pictures of TD album covers spanning the years from 1970 (!) to 1988, under the headings 'Christopher Franke with Tangerine Dream Live and Studio LPs' and 'Christopher Franke with Tangerine Dream Soundtracks'. > > Looking at it again, I can quite see why Edgar may have been upset seeing this. Not only is Chris introduced as 'ex-Tangerine Dream' rather than merely an ex-member, but the sleeve falsely includes 'Electronic Meditation' as a Franke album, making him out to be a founding member of TD when he wasn't. As much as I love Chris's contribution to TD and his solo works, I would probably have to admit that the LP sleeve plays the 'ex-TD' card a bit too blatantly. > > Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28431 Re: The Edgar/Chris feud Michael A Jean Sun 8/12/2001 5 KB From: moxica@m... Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 11:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] English - and a new topic Even though I don't agree with all of it, I would recommend it as well. It gives a different perspective for those of us who weren't really conscious of the early 70's (music-wise, anyway) when they actually occured. >From: 'Frank Arellano' > I've read it. As the front cover indicates it's a *critical* >discography. Most everyone I believe will need a dictionary handy to >accurately understand some of his verbiage 8-) From: 'Kevin Earley' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:40 pm Subject: RE: English - not so quick to flame > Liondream: > > Well, on one level this is true, but on the other hand, let's not forget that this list is international in scope, and > one assumes that everyone does the best they can. > > I'm sure my German isn't too perfect, ya know? > > signed, > An English Major who took typing in high school, but who occasionally still makes a mistake, and someone > who's been working in publishing for a very long time. This is true of course; and I was quick to flame. (I did try to make it very clear that I *was* flaming.) Poor English skills are much easier to deal with in the spoken language than the written. > Marcel: > > Hmm I haven't followed the discussions lately but if > what you said above is serious then I find you very > narrow minded. Not everyone speaks English fluid. > Kevin, how is your Dutch and German? I would agree that it sounds very narrow minded, except that I make no attempts to communicate in any language other than English. Lack of fluency in a language is certainly a good excuse, and therefore I apologize to all non-native English speakers. However; for those us whose primary language is English, there is no excuse for such poor language skills. NP: @Ashra Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28375 Re: English - not so quick to flame mengels@w... Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28376 Re: English - not so quick to flame chris towers Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB From: Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: English - not so quick to flame > Quoten Kevin Earley : > > However; for those us whose primary language is > English, there is no excuse for such poor language skills. Ah okay that is a different story. Although faults can creep in because of the quick typing. I don't always have time to write a faultless message but I try. :-) But I do think that on every school English should be teached as a main 'course'. (don't know if that is the right word for it). Here in Holland it is. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28376 Re: English - not so quick to flame chris towers Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 2:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: English - not so quick to flame Whats with all the deep conversation about typing and talking skills, ok so your dyslexic, no problem, now can we talk about the topic for which we are all here???? Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: chris towers Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 2:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] SBE (was: Is the i-Box worth having?) Yeah Dennis, we are pretty close together then, im in Canterbury, i also was on the second floor at Shepherds Bush but i guess you must have been really unlucky, i heard the music without any problems.... Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 2:59 pm Subject: Re: List contributions II Hi, Glynn! >And those are just the ones that I can remember off the top of my >head. The thing that really, really gets on my tits is that so far as >I can see, the people who are laying down these restrictions HAVE NOT >INTRODUCED A SINGLE FUCKING NEW THREAD THEMSELVES! And then if the >regulars pipe down, there'll be a load of 'Boy, it's quiet round >here'-type posts. Sorry, but I just to say 'Hi!' to a lady that used the two words 'tits' and 'fucking' in the same sentence... ...especially when in obscure reference to my favorite band, TD! Thank you! ...Utch (who agrees you have a point on how quiet it could get around here) --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. --Mark Twain From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 3:07 pm Subject: Re: English - not so quick to flame Hi, Kevin >non-native English speakers. However; for those us whose primary language is >English, there is no excuse for such poor language skills. No excuse? Like forgetting to type the word 'of' in the above sentence before the word 'us'? I think you are way too critical... ...it is easy to be tolerant of others spelling and grammar deficiencies. ...Utch (who is not perfect, himself!) --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Politeness is half good manners and half good lying. --Mary Wilson Little From: Ivan Yerkedoff Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:27 am Subject: Meeting the Band Hi to all. This is my first time in a discussion group, please forgive any mistakes.I'm going to see Tangerine Dream Oct 20 2001 when they play at the T.L.A. in Philadelphia. Can anyone get any advice or tips on how to get backstage passes or meeting the band. I've listened to their music since 1974 and seen ever show in the Philadelphia area.Thanks Dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28418 Re: Meeting the Band Tony Walsh Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28450 Re: Meeting the Band Ivan Yerkedoff Mon 8/13/2001 4 KB 28430 Re: Meeting the Band Vince LeGrand Sun 8/12/2001 3 KB From: 'Kevin Earley' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 4:20 pm Subject: Re: English - not so quick to flame Hi Utch. I accept your criticism regarding my own apparent proficiency with the English language. I would like to point out, however; that I was not being critical of such relatively minor errors. I will now drop this and move to an actual TD related topic: My first exposure to TD was at my Uncle's house, probably in the summer of 1978. He played Phaedra, which was worlds away from what I was listening to at the time. I bought it and enjoyed it, but it was getting Encore in the early fall that really set the hook. I even managed to get several of my friends interested in TD as well :-) From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 4:39 pm Subject: digital gothic I haven't read the book for awhile, but digital gothic is definitely a 'critical' discography--an overview of more or less pre-TDI TD with plenty of bashing to keep you entertained like on this list ;). Not definitive for sure--and like all/most of us--the author obviously has his TD musical preferences. Recommendations for the relatively recent compilations covered in the book run along the lines of (paraphrasing here) 'great for liner notes and photos'.... Left-handed praise for sure. --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 4:44 pm Subject: waking up from a tadream this morning my day started by waking from a tadream--it was froese froese and haslinger playing some preshow tunes for the folks that had already gathered. Haven't had one of those tangerine dreams in quite some time. --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28412 Nov 10th Anaheim, CA House of Blues questions Bennett Cookson Fri 8/10/2001 3 KB 28429 Re: Nov 10th Anaheim, CA House of Blues questions Brian Frick Sun 8/12/2001 3 KB 28433 Re: Nov 10th Anaheim, CA House of Blues questions Michael A Jean Sun 8/12/2001 4 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 5:04 pm Subject: New Dead Horse to Beat (thread) I would like others to post to this thread what type of Equipment they have used to emulate some of TD's songs. Here is my list (which I am adding too when funds are available) Yamaha psr500 Korg MS2000 Casio (something or other used as midi input) NanoSynth (2 of them) Zoom RT-323 computer with various synths programed in via c++ code and or things I found off the net, cakewalk pro and pro audio, cubase, and other recording programs Samples of Drum, Mellotrons, Hammond M1 with leslie (50's vintage) Guitars (Gibson SG, Fender's, Washburns, and Jerry Jones) 8 piece Drum Kit Several PA systems (carvins, Tranyor bass amp, others some home made amps) Planned Yamaha SA80, JV1010 (thanks to Liondream@a... ), Nord, Virus and if I can find one again, melltron (which I have read via threads here one is available software wise that may be close enought to work fine). While I am not a expert in any of these instruments (perhaps computer), I do use them to record step wise to get the effect. So don't think I know how to play each of these instruments. My wife however does have that ability to play keyboards and guitars as well as sing very well. I use her to get some of my stuff inputed in real time when I am not pecking it out in cakewalk. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28401 Re: New Dead Horse to Beat (thread) Marcel Engels Fri 8/10/2001 3 KB 28403 Re: New Dead Horse to Beat (thread) Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 8/10/2001 4 KB 28437 Re: New Dead Horse to Beat (thread) Marcel Engels Sun 8/12/2001 3 KB 28467 Re: New Dead Horse to Beat (thread) Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 8/13/2001 4 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 5:04 pm Subject: Pacific Coast Highway TD references I'll have to check when I get home, but I thought Pacific Coast was a Sonic Images release, in which case, I thought Chris WAS the record company. Just as in TDI... aren't Edgar and Jerome the actual record company too these days? And doesn't that in turn mean that the booking agency is kinda sorta working for them? Just wondering. Also notice that EF does a lot of the album cover art (still), which I think is fabulous stuff. << Subject: Re: The Edgar/Chris feud I wonder as to how far it was Chris' decision to put all those ex-TD references on the cover or the decision of the record company which might have thought that the album sells better that way...>>> From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 5:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] digital gothic Who is the author of 'Digital Gothic'? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: ; Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 9:39 AM Subject: [tadream] digital gothic > I haven't read the book for awhile, but digital gothic is definitely a From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 5:37 pm Subject: Ok, I'll bite >And as we all know, the predominant language in the USA within a couple of years will be Spanish anyway.< This may be true for conversational language, but is not going to be any threat for written word anytime soon. You of course are actually speaking of Mexicans in the U.S. and believe me most of the ones that come here have very little formal education in their native tongue--'Spanish' or what passes for 'Spanish' anyway--so while they actually speak 'mexican'--they aren't writing it very well--so english will remain predominant. As for Mandarin, I'm aware of at least one city/town (Cupertino, California) where there has been a push by Chinese immigrants to get only Mandarin to be taught in the public primary schools. I can hardly wait until teachers will be required to be trilingual or perhaps merely fluent in 'mexican'/mandarin. --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28388 Re: Ok, I'll bite Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 8/10/2001 4 KB 28427 Re: Ok, I'll bite chris towers Sat 8/11/2001 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 5:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ok, I'll bite Mexican.. what do you mean by Mexican? (Spanish-Indian or?) Spanish which dialect? (While in Spain I was given a wide lesson in Spanish, even Basques have their version) Yes it is true that spangish (Spanish / English) should be the version taught in Southern CA, I noted while teaching High School a few years back that the Hispanic Population seemed to fail Spanish and barely pass English. I have my own thoughts on this, I can't wait to see how one will deal with Mandarin and it's different flavors. Another thought here is that US Americans have a very bad tendency to only speak one language (loosely here too) and not try to speak French, Spanish, German or any other language like our European counterparts. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: ; Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: [tadream] Ok, I'll bite > >And as we all know, the predominant language in the USA within a couple of > years will be Spanish anyway.< > > This may be true for conversational language, but is not going to be any > threat for written word anytime soon. You of course are actually speaking > of Mexicans in the U.S. and believe me most of the ones that come here have > very little formal education in their native tongue--'Spanish' or what > passes for 'Spanish' anyway--so while they actually speak 'mexican'--they > aren't writing it very well--so english will remain predominant. > > As for Mandarin, I'm aware of at least one city/town (Cupertino, California) > where there has been a push by Chinese immigrants to get only Mandarin to be > taught in the public primary schools. I can hardly wait until teachers will > be required to be trilingual or perhaps merely fluent in 'mexican'/mandarin. > > --tei > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: horrod6 Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: RE: list 'contributions' Sorry Joe, if that's the direction this list is going in, then I, for one, will be unsubscribing. It won't be because of the recent 'negative' threads - it'll be because you appear to want to turn the list into one in which people are only allowed to express their feelings if they're positive. Personally, I love the music. On the whole I prefer the older stuff to the newer, but I don't hate the new stuff. I was at SBE and had a great time. So I can make plenty of positive comments. But I wouldn't want to belong to a group where no-one was allowed to disagree with me. I have, as I have said before, no problem with people expressing negative feelings as long as they do so with courtesy. To say how something makes you feel is just being honest about your own emotions. If people find it offensive, maybe it's because they're getting a bit too near a painful truth? While I'm in rant mode, I have to say that I find your 'motown monk mix' argument somewhat specious. If I'd been to Egypt and sent you something labelled 'The Luxor pictures', I think you'd be somewhat surprised to find it contained photographs of a full-size mock-up of the Temple of Karnac in my back garden! And b.t.w., if you're so keen on keeping the list positive, how come you let someone call their fellow-listizens 'mediocre musicians and fly-by night know it alls' with no come back - not much 'camaraderie' there! I happen to know from personal experience that there are some d****d fine musicians and extremely knowledgable fans on this list, and I just hope none of them took it personally. Since I consider myself neither knowledgeable nor a musician I didn't feel insulted, but I found that the second most offensive thing I've read on the list recently, your post being the most. As for passing on disparaging comments about fellow-listizens' command of English language, grammar and punctuation, well I hope that one was a joke. Maybe we should try running the list in German for a while? Jared occasionally tempted me to post an angry response to the list, but I was always able to restrain myself eventually. But you've really made me mad. Make your mind up what kind of list you want to moderate - one where people can say what they think, or not. Or maybe you really do want to run one where they can say what they like about each other, as long as they don't say anything 'negative' about the band. In which case, as I said, I'm off. Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28396 Re: list 'contributions' Hilary Wright Fri 8/10/2001 5 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Gothic Hi You've said it all Dennis especially (c) !! Read it and sold it..... ATB Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Dennis Nigbur' To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Gothic > I can recommend 'Digital Gothic' to anyone who > > (a) doesn't mind having to read the book at least twice in order to make sense of some of Paul Stump's adventurous cross-references...I doubt the wisdom of having each 'period' (he never explains why he separates them in this way rather than another) covered by a band history that includes some information about the discography, and a discography that includes substantial amounts of band history > > (b) isn't an electronic musician...I can see how you folks would be disappointed about the lack of technical detail, although the author himself points out in the preface that his is not a book for gearheads > > (c) can stomach Paul Stump's language, which hovers between art and shameless, self-congratulatory linguistic masturbation > > (d) isn't a fan of recent TD...it's quite surprising, actually, how Paul Stump's views seem to be almost identical to those of many list members who prefer the TD of the late 70s and early 80s, except that he obviously chooses to treat the reasons for his preferences in more depth and a different medium. > > I certainly enjoyed it. The introductory chapter on the philosophical, cultural and artistic context into which TD were born is especially interesting. > > Dennis --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/18/01 From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 6:04 pm Subject: Flying toward your future I recently came across a very badly recorded TD concert called 'Flying Toward Your Future'. Can anyone tell me anything about this bootleg? Hilary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28405 Re: Flying toward your future Steve Fri 8/10/2001 3 KB 28413 Re: Flying toward your future Owens, James Fri 8/10/2001 3 KB 28444 Re: Flying toward your future Klaus Beschorner Sun 8/12/2001 3 KB 28449 Re: Flying toward your future Marcel Engels Mon 8/13/2001 3 KB From: ampmusic Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 7:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ok, I'll bite (off more than I can chew?) I don't suggest you try calling any US Cubans 'Mexican' in a hurry. Or any Colombians. Though you might get a nice new necktie out of it :-) And I don't suggest you tell any Mexicans they are speaking 'what passes for Spanish' either. You might learn a few new words that way though :-) You might also consider the fact that most of the major technical music publishers either have, or at looking at publishing, Spanish editions of their magazines. This has nothing to do with the popularity of Ricky Martin and everything to do with market demand. Quieres un nuevo teclado senor? tei waz wrote: > >And as we all know, the predominant language in the USA within a couple of > years will be Spanish anyway.< > > This may be true for conversational language, but is not going to be any > threat for written word anytime soon. You of course are actually speaking > of Mexicans in the U.S. and believe me most of the ones that come here have > very little formal education in their native tongue--'Spanish' or what > passes for 'Spanish' anyway--so while they actually speak 'mexican'--they > aren't writing it very well--so english will remain predominant. > > As for Mandarin, I'm aware of at least one city/town (Cupertino, California) > where there has been a push by Chinese immigrants to get only Mandarin to be > taught in the public primary schools. I can hardly wait until teachers will > be required to be trilingual or perhaps merely fluent in 'mexican'/mandarin. > > --tei > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 6:22 pm Subject: Love this list I love this list. It looks like the dog days of summer has heated tadream list up. Hang on all for the ride. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28395 Re: Love this list Hilary Wright Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28434 Re: Love this list Frank Arellano Sun 8/12/2001 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 6:24 pm Subject: re: I'll bite >Mexican.. what do you mean by Mexican? I though it was self-explanatory but I'll define it as 'the languages of mexico'. --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 6:34 pm Subject: Re: Love this list Me too! But what do you mean 'dog days of summer'? I've just started my holidays - 2 weeks of no work, just 4 kids! If that's not work, I don't what is. Hilary --- In tadream@y..., 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote: > I love this list. It looks like the dog days of summer has heated tadream > list up. Hang on all for the ride. > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 6:41 pm Subject: Re: list 'contributions' Agreed. You need both sides of the argument. As I said in an earlier post, you need balance in the list. Constructive criticism is great. and, yes, let's keep it polite. Anyway, I'm not sure Joe is arguing for a 'love' list. He sure tolerates a lot of extremely negative comment, and a lot of comment not relevant to the list topic (English v Mexican, Edgar's hair ...) Still it makes entertaining reading...! Hilary --- In tadream@y..., horrod6 wrote: > Sorry Joe, if that's the direction this list is going in, then I, for > one, will be unsubscribing. It won't be because of the recent 'negative' > threads - it'll be because you appear to want to turn the list into one > in which people are only allowed to express their feelings if they're > positive. > > Personally, I love the music. On the whole I prefer the older stuff to > the newer, but I don't hate the new stuff. I was at SBE and had a great > time. So I can make plenty of positive comments. But I wouldn't want to > belong to a group where no-one was allowed to disagree with me. > > I have, as I have said before, no problem with people expressing > negative feelings as long as they do so with courtesy. To say how > something makes you feel is just being honest about your own emotions. > If people find it offensive, maybe it's because they're getting a bit > too near a painful truth? > > While I'm in rant mode, I have to say that I find your 'motown monk mix' > argument somewhat specious. If I'd been to Egypt and sent you something > labelled 'The Luxor pictures', I think you'd be somewhat surprised to > find it contained photographs of a full-size mock-up of the Temple of > Karnac in my back garden! > > And b.t.w., if you're so keen on keeping the list positive, how come you > let someone call their fellow-listizens 'mediocre musicians and fly- by > night know it alls' with no come back - not much 'camaraderie' there! I > happen to know from personal experience that there are some d****d fine > musicians and extremely knowledgable fans on this list, and I just hope > none of them took it personally. Since I consider myself neither > knowledgeable nor a musician I didn't feel insulted, but I found that > the second most offensive thing I've read on the list recently, your > post being the most. > > As for passing on disparaging comments about fellow-listizens' command > of > English language, grammar and punctuation, well I hope that one was a > joke. Maybe we should try running the list in German for a while? > > Jared occasionally tempted me to post an angry response to the list, but > I was always able to restrain myself eventually. But you've really made > me mad. Make your mind up what kind of list you want to moderate - one > where people can say what they think, or not. Or maybe you really do > want to run one where they can say what they like about each other, as > long as they don't say anything 'negative' about the band. In which > case, as I said, I'm off. > > Marion From: Deb H-J Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Gothic Dennis: << (a) doesn't mind having to read the book at least twice in order to make sense of some of Paul Stump's adventurous cross-references...I doubt the wisdom of having each 'period' (he never explains why he separates them in this way rather than another >> Is Paul Stump the fellow who named the various TD periods, like the 'Blue' and 'Pink' and 'Melrose' or was this something the band itself did? It's one of the things that has both intrigued and puzzled me about the history of the band. I have not read the Stump book, though I have seen a copy of it and know what it covers. Also...I constantly see use of the word 'Tangentized' and wonder if it principally used among contributors to this list or has a wider application to TD? Do they use it themselves? Don't mean to sound 'ignernt', just curious. Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: Brian Frick Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 6:50 pm Subject: Disgusted: OFF TOPIC You know, I haven't said much on this list in a long time. A few of you all bicker too much. Every time a new thread is introduced, someone gets in a fight. Does it not occur to you that the list's subscribers have dropped dramatically because of this? I loathe reading the emails from this list anymore, because it's more a fucking cut-down competition than it is a DISCUSSION list. I used to look to this list for information; now, I just get cat fight emails that make bitchy, catty, bitter drag queens seem tame. When I joined the original TD list in 1995, there were people on here who had conversations that didn't have to escalate into ridiculous arguments such as those ensuing now. We talked about the music. We talked about things that were interesting to us. I don't know if you're all bored and are trying desperately to make this list interesting, but I think there are things that are more interesting than snotty responses and races to see who can be the snidest, rudest, or most ignorant. Those good people who are still on this list know who they are. I admire many people on here -- those who can hold a decent conversation, talk in a civil manner, and respect the opinions of others. This is a discussion forum, not a soapbox for you more vocal people who have no other avenue for expressing anger. Please, if this is a moderated forum, let it be moderated. The rest of you need to show other people some decency and respect. Thanks. -Brian Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28400 Re: Disgusted: OFF TOPIC Julannparc@a... Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28439 Re: Disgusted: OFF TOPIC Dennis Nigbur Sun 8/12/2001 5 KB From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 7:11 pm Subject: Chris Franke hi everyone i am after the following cds by chris franke Pacific Blue Transformation of Mind Babylon 5 in the beginning Babylon 5 Third Space Babylon 5 River of Souls Babylon 5 Signed cd (cat no.SI 8402-2) Epic Watch the Skies Earthtone Collection 2 Morphing Space cd single i have several TD Promo LPs on ebay at present and will be willing to cancel any auction in exchamge for a trade Contact me of list thanks Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Julannparc@a... Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 7:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Disgusted: OFF TOPIC I have the UPMOST respect for every person who puts his/her thoughts onto this list. What i can-not stand is wanton abuse of Edgar froese.I am not an employee of TDI, and neither have i have ties with them in anyway,but there are are people at this board that for some reason have been erratic in their comments toward him.I am not going to mention names,that would be madness,but come on ladys and gents lets be civil. OK all of us will never see eye-to-eye,but we all have one thing in common! We have all at sometime in our lives loved the the sounds and the compositions this man and his great comrades have thrown our way.You either love him or hate him, personally i think the mans a genius,but you are intitled to your view,and obviously i respect that.I may seem a tad over the top on occasions ,but i just love the guy. Respect to all . Colin. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 7:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] New Dead Horse to Beat (thread) > From: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] > > Planned Yamaha SA80, JV1010 (thanks to Liondream@a... ), Nord, > Virus and > if I can find one again, melltron (which I have read via threads > here one is > available software wise that may be close enought to work fine). > While I am not a expert in any of these instruments (perhaps > computer), I do > use them to record step wise to get the effect. So don't think I > know how to > play each of these instruments. ? So you don't play the actual keys... How can you sound like old TD then? It's all about improvising and that very difficult to do when you're not playing. Man, how can one make music when not playing the keys... I think an album would take years to make. You also have guitars, but you can't play them? I know I'm weird but... :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 7:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] A future that never happened Good question! I think we'll probably all be shocked and surprised whenever they do get around to adding another keyboardist. I think at some point Linda was being groomed to step in as member #3: remember the announcement that 'Lion's Share' would feature Linda Spa on keyboards only - no Sax? Evidently that never happened. Maybe she went back to modelling? (Anybody know what happened to her?) In all likelihood member 3 will be no one we've ever heard of before. Hopefully Edgar will find a good one! James > -----Original Message----- > That seems to be about the size of it. I can see, though, why > the plans wouldn't have gone ahead even if Paul hadn't left > for L.A. As Edgar says, the musical development of the > aspired 'future members' was so different that lumping them > together would have stifled both in their creativity. > > On the other hand, though, who could partner Jerome in the future? > > Dennis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > That's the understanding I have, but that doesn't mean that > Edgar was happy > > about him leaving. The general gist of the quote was that > Edgar was pining > > for the future that he had planned for TD with Paul as a > part of it. There > > was no mention is THAT article hinting to what that future > might have been, > > but after reading the quote that started this discussion, I > can see the > > pieces starting to fit together: > > > > 1. Paul joins the band > > 2. Chris quits, DEVASTATING Edgar. Edgar acts like a spurned lover. > > 3. Edgar pulls himself together and hires another 3rd member. > > 4. Ralf Wadephul doesn't work out, so Edgar/Paul decide to > stay a duo. > > 5. Jerome steps in with some studio work for Lily. > > 6. The fact that Jerome has become a musician in his own > right gets Edgar > > thinking. > > 7. Edgar asks Jerome to join, thinking of staying on a bit, > then leaving > > Jerome and Paul with the family business. > > 8. Paul says, 'I have to leave, or they'll draft me in the > military'. Edgar > > doesn't want to move to L.A., so they part ways. > > 9. Edgar decides to keep the business 'in the family' for a > while, and not > > retire just yet. > > > > When we DO see TD add a 3rd member, THAT'S when Edgar is > starting to think > > retirement again. Until then, it won't happen. From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 8:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Dead Horse to Beat (thread) Actually I do. Just not like Mozart. As for the guitar work, I either have my wife play it or I play one cord/pattern record it, next cord pattern and on. Go back block it together. I been known to take a TD song like Tangram (solution), work on it for nearly 6 months to get it right. Far too anal. If I had the talent to actually play a keyboard I am sure I would do much better. I do a lot of improvising when I am playing my stuff. To the point that if I do not have a recorder going, I loose many aspects. I have many ways to get data in, midi scan similar to ocring a text file from a scanner with all the problems sometimes, to actually step by step entering from sheet music. I do the drums the say way. That is why I just bought the RT-323. To free me from those awful triggers and wave files. I know it freaks a lot of folks out when they come over to my house and see my work area. My wife uses the same equipment for her Band when she practices. So it doesn't go all to waste. Hope this explains it a bit. This is why I call myself a 'Closet Studio Musician' . Sorry if I am offending real musicians out there. > mengels@w... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marcel Engels' > ? So you don't play the actual keys... > How can you sound like old TD then? It's all about improvising and > that very difficult to do when you're not playing. > Man, how can one make music when not playing the keys... > I think an album would take years to make. > You also have guitars, but you can't play them? > I know I'm weird but... :-) > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28437 Re: New Dead Horse to Beat (thread) Marcel Engels Sun 8/12/2001 3 KB From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Warsaw Show Hello, chris towers wrote: > Anyone making the trip to see the Warsaw show, im > making the trip from the UK, anyone else???? Yes, so far: 1. Roger Hartopp (& wife) (British, but from Poland) 2. Jorge Figueiredo (& wife) (from Portugal) 3. Vic Rek (& wife?) (from the US) I bet there are some polish TD fans attending the concert but no meeting place is settled, yet. Since Roger is staying in the Belfer Hotel, which is near the bridge where the concert is going to take place, I suggest we meet there. See you soon, Jorge Figueiredo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28422 Re: Warsaw Show vic rek Sat 8/11/2001 3 KB 28426 Re: Warsaw Show chris towers Sat 8/11/2001 2 KB 28479 Re: Warsaw Show olle.rundgren@s... Tue 8/14/2001 2 KB 28485 Re: Warsaw Show Jorge Figueiredo Tue 8/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Steve' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:04 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Flying toward your future Hilary said: > I recently came across a very badly recorded TD concert > called 'Flying Toward Your Future'. > > Can anyone tell me anything about this bootleg? All I know about it is that it's 13.11.1976 at Leeds, UK, which you probably already knew... Badly recorded as it is, it isn't the worst I've heard. It was only the occasional flutter in Winamp's visual display that let me know that there's anything to be heard in Waiter from the Dance :) The frustrating thing for me is that my favourite TD concert recordings tend to be from the seventies when recording hardware was much less sophisticated than today and the sound suffers accordingly. I'm not a very demanding listener in terms of audio quality, so when I comment that a recording isn't too good... :) Please don't take this as an attack on whoever recorded a concert or whatever: I'm very pleased to have heard this music! Steve www.craftman.co.uk www.rotties-r-us.co.uk www.stevecraftman.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/b5/ From: 'Coral Rumsey' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:11 pm Subject: Franke solo, Baumann solo Have only heard Christoph's 'Pacific Coast Highway' & 'London Concert' from the list of solo works. Any other good un's? Recall an interview where CF related that he was basically shagged out & fed up working so much/so quick and so had to leave TD. Anyone got owt to add? Peter Baumann's apparent reasons for leaving, I gathered, were to basically become a successful American and to shag Ronald Reagan. At least he hasn't spent the rest of his life in a fucking studio. He is now senior lavatory-attendant at Chase Manhattan HQ. SF [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28411 Re: Franke solo, Baumann solo Owens, James Fri 8/10/2001 3 KB 28432 Re: Franke solo, Baumann solo Michael A Jean Sun 8/12/2001 3 KB 28414 Re: Franke solo, Baumann solo Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 8/10/2001 4 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: D: Solo [Franke] Babylon 5 extended theme (season 2) from Sierra computer game Hi all, I'm just sitting here listening to the B5 extended theme from the Sierra computer game by Christoph Franke. I have to say this is AWESOME. Now, I am a Babylon 5 fan, but I've tried to look at this from a music-only standpoint. This is perhaps a bit too orchestral for some people's tastes, but it's a lot less so than some of Franke's B5 stuff. There are only orchestral parts where those parts add to the music in ways the synths could not. I think Franke blends synth sounds, FX, sequences (yes this one actually has a sequencer line in parts), and orchestra together into one powerful force! This is powerful stuff! It has plenty of haunting ambience (my favorite part of Franke-era TD), cool sound effects, rythm (without resorting to over-indulged drum machines) and triumphal chords. Chris: If you're reading this, I have to say BRAVO! James From: Neil Jellis Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 4:38 pm Subject: OT: Airsculpture Message text written by jc >The track 'Bock' from the new Airsculpture album 'Quark Soup' was >performed (improvised live, no overdubs) entirely on 3 Nord Modulars. < ...and bloody brilliant it is too! I heard my first AirSculpture track in June and now only have one album left to get. I can't believe I'd restricted my EM to Jarre and TD for so long when there was so much more to enjoy. I've acquired most of the recent TD output but for me it doesn't have the same emotional pull as the 1975-1986 stuff. But having attended the ['ramp]/Cosmic Hoffman gig at Jodrell Bank and subsequently acquired CD's from AS, FSP, ['ramp], Tranquillity, UTD, Arcane, Parsick & Ringlage and Rainbow Serpent I can say that my listening pleasure has been increased and expanded enormously. Whatever the relative merits of an individuals views concerning TD's current output or Edgar's running of TDI, the basic fact remains that without TD and all those who have been a member of the group, we wouldn't have the body of work to discuss or in the case of the musicians amongst us (not me sadly) the influences to give us all the music we enjoy. Have fun Neil (who can't wait for the Hampshire Jam to come around!) [Moderator's note: subject line changed from 'Digest # xxx'. Also, if you like the music of our fellow list members from Arcane, Airsculpture, FSP put out (fantastic stuff from all of them!), you should obtain a copy of Dreamwatcher's Tales, a compilation of music from some of our list members, and check out the Musos page at http://www.tadream.net for other artists here.] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28454 Re: OT: Airsculpture Bill Fox Mon 8/13/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:26 pm Subject: correcting mistakes on tadream.net someone noticed that I accidentally uploaded a few older pages onto tadream in an ass-backwards attempt to update it. oops. sorry. I have links to many of you on the 'Members' Pages' and 'Musos' Links. Please let me know of any necessary updates. (Armin - I know you are one; sorry for the mistaken deletion; send me the new pic and I'll replace) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28443 Re: correcting mistakes on tadream.net Armin Theissen Sun 8/12/2001 3 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 8:33 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers tale 2 ???????? Hi all Will there be an Dreamwatchers Tale 2??????? and how, what and whom (is it who or whom, I can never figure this out) do you send material etc etc?????? Regards Jan [Modertor's Note: Yes, DT2 in being planned now. contact Yannick Edom at yannick.edom@s... ] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Franke solo, Baumann solo HMM... TD tours the US for the first time and Baumann decides to move here. TD comes to the US for the 86 tour, and Franke quits the band and moves to L.A. TD spends some time in L.A. recording 'Melrose' and Haslinger quits the band and moves to L.A. It's no WONDER it's been so long since TD has come to the US!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Coral Rumsey [mailto:coral@c...] > Peter Baumann's apparent reasons for leaving, I gathered, > were to basically become a successful American Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28432 Re: Franke solo, Baumann solo Michael A Jean Sun 8/12/2001 3 KB From: Bennett Cookson Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:15 pm Subject: Nov 10th Anaheim, CA House of Blues questions I called the “House of Blues” in Anaheim and asked about tickets but they were surprised saying, “How did you hear about that” and “The event is not conformed yet” although TD web site says it is. Also, I asked about seating and they said it was “Standing room only.” What exactly does this mean? Does everyone just stand or Is it a dance hall? Has any one been there to describe what type of place it is? I also noticed that most events listed at HOB in downtown Disney had a 21 or older age requirement. Why? I thought it was a music club not a bar environment. I would think teenagers are sure to like TD's dance mixes. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28429 Re: Nov 10th Anaheim, CA House of Blues questions Brian Frick Sun 8/12/2001 3 KB 28433 Re: Nov 10th Anaheim, CA House of Blues questions Michael A Jean Sun 8/12/2001 4 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Flying toward your future Actually, some of the better recordings (IMO) are from the 74-76. Most of the 77, all of the 78, and most of the 80 recordings I've heard really stink. They get better again in 81 and 82, and really pick up again for the 86 concerts. From there on out most of them are great. Of course one of the worst ones I've heard recently is from the 97 European tour (don't recall which one). NOT that I'm by any means an expert, but it seems like there's a greater concentration of GOOD recordings from 75 and 76 than any other years. James > -----Original Message----- > The > frustrating thing for me is that my favourite TD concert > recordings tend to > be from the seventies when recording hardware was much less > sophisticated > than today and the sound suffers accordingly. I'm not a very demanding > listener in terms of audio quality, so when I comment that a > recording isn't > too good... :) Please don't take this as an attack on > whoever recorded a > concert or whatever: I'm very pleased to have heard this music! > > Steve From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Franke solo, Baumann solo LA is a rather large place... Perhaps it is the pull of what is available in the LA area that lured them to stay? BYW I live less than 60 miles North from LA Proper. Using your theory, then would the rest of TD defect to LA too? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:13 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Franke solo, Baumann solo > HMM... > > TD tours the US for the first time and Baumann decides to move here. > > TD comes to the US for the 86 tour, and Franke quits the band and moves to > L.A. > > TD spends some time in L.A. recording 'Melrose' and Haslinger quits the band > and moves to L.A. > > It's no WONDER it's been so long since TD has come to the US!!! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Coral Rumsey [mailto:coral@c...] > > > Peter Baumann's apparent reasons for leaving, I gathered, > > were to basically become a successful American > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 10:28 pm Subject: New Dead Horse Equipment list... I will bite on that one, but I wonder whether a too technical discussion would be appropriate for this list. I'm almost thinking it might be useful to start a new list for musicians who are inspired by TD music? I think a list like that might be fun - sharing tips and tricks, etc. specifically related to the mode of music we most love. Is there anyone here who would like the gearheads to shut up? Any gearheads who might be interested in a separate list? While I'm at it... I'm in the United States midwest area. Anyone out there who does music and might be interested in collaborating on an electronic project? Anyone out there with a Rocket Power-enabled computer who might be interested in collaborating in a virtual studio? Here goes: SOFTWARE Cubase VST32 Wavelab Acid Pro 3 Gigastudio 96 VSTi's Model E PPG Dynamo M-tron Pro-52 Tau Pro Gakstoar Delta RM2 MIDI hardware Wavestation T2EX NX5r Yamaha CS6x JV1010 Kurzweil Micropiano RX5 SOFTWARE processors Waves GRM SpinDelay TC Audio Sonic Foundry HARDWARE processors DBX JoeMeek Yamaha BBE Behringer Deltalab Zoom Vocalist 'REAL' Instruments Kramer electric guitar Harps Recorders Various ethnic flutes I can play everything listed here to various levels of proficiency and took lessons on everything at one point or another. I'm the best on keys - don't have to think what I'm doing, just relearning the guitar though. Single best investment for replicating TD sounds: PPG. Also Wavestation. I guess depending on the period of TD you're most interested in. But, let me state for the record that personally, I'm not about imitating TD. They are one of my greatest sources of inspiration, and having all of the above-mentioned stuff has not taken away in any way from my respect for their work. If anything, it has helped me respect them more. I think what I AM about in my own music is finding my own voice, and also exploring the avenues that perhaps I wish TD had explored more at one point or another. The way I look at it, I think TD basically single-handedly invented an entirely new mode of music separate from anything else, separate even from electronic music as such. I think it's its own thing in terms of the use of sequences, structure, voicing, etc. I think it's a movement in music, just like Surrealism was/is in art. So, I don't know what to call it, but if we were talking about Art and EF were Dali, then I would classify myself as a Surrealist because that is what speaks to me and the area that I find myself drawn to in my own sonic explorations. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28421 Re: New Dead Horse Tony Walsh Fri 8/10/2001 2 KB 28455 Re: New Dead Horse Bill Fox Mon 8/13/2001 3 KB From: ampmusic Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 11:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] UK viewers can at 5.30pm on Channel 5 this coming Sunday, the 12th, see 'Tarzan and the Lost City' - which I think has a Chris Franke soundtrack. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28565 Web based radio stations playing TD plus others RJF Sun 8/19/2001 3 KB 28591 Re: Web based radio stations playing TD plus othe chris towers Tue 8/21/2001 2 KB 28592 Deleted Items chris towers Tue 8/21/2001 2 KB From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 11:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A future that never happened I'm sure I read somwhere that Edgar had effectivley abandoned the idea of working with someone else because of the grief it can cause. I was also interested to learn that he and Klaus Sculze still bump into each other from time to time and are on good terms, tho' they disagree with each other's musical direction! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Owens, James > In all likelihood member 3 will be no one we've ever heard of before. > Hopefully Edgar will find a good one! > > James From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 11:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Meeting the Band Welcome to the list. Sadly I have no idea how you would get to meet the band tho' I believe that there are people here who have met members past and present. Funny thing is that if I did meet Edgar, Chris et al, I wouldn't know what to say! Tony. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ivan Yerkedoff To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 1:27 AM Subject: [tadream] Meeting the Band > Hi to all. This is my first time in a discussion > group, please forgive any mistakes.I'm going to see > Tangerine Dream Oct 20 2001 when they play at the > T.L.A. in Philadelphia. Can anyone get any advice or > tips on how to get backstage passes or meeting the > band. I've listened to their music since 1974 and seen > ever show in the Philadelphia area.Thanks Dave Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28450 Re: Meeting the Band Ivan Yerkedoff Mon 8/13/2001 4 KB From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 11:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] SBE. I had an aisle seat up in the gods (damned Ticketweb! - I asked for the stalls) and it sounded OK there. I enjoyed the gig on the whole, but didn't get the same buzz as I did when I was younger. Nevertheless, I will continue to see the band even if only for old time's sake. Tony. np. The Circular Ruins 'A Rope Of Sand' ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Nigbur > I live in Kent too, and I enjoyed the Shepherd's Bush concert. My only gripe was the sound quality. Everyone I spoke to said it was great, so I must have been among the unlucky few on the second floor who had the walls around them resonate with the bass and drums so much that the rest of the music became practically inaudible. Did anyone else at all have this experience? From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 11:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Gothic I don't think the band would ever use this term themselves! It's become common parlance round here for tracks that have been added to or 'enhanced' in the studio - the first noticeable application being on 'Tangents' T. np. The Circular Ruins 'A Rope Of Sand' (again)! ----- Original Message ----- > Also...I constantly see use of the word 'Tangentized' > and wonder if it principally used among contributors > to this list or has a wider application to TD? Do they > use it themselves? > > Don't mean to sound 'ignernt', just curious. > > Deb H-J From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 11:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Dead Horse It all goes right over my head I'm sad to say. I've just enough nous to use this list and I appreciate the thought, but please don't shut up on my account ;) T. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: [tadream] New Dead Horse > Is there anyone here who would like the gearheads to shut up? Any gearheads who might be interested in a separate list? From: vic rek Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 2:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Warsaw Show > > Yes, so far: > 1. Roger Hartopp (& wife) (British, but from Poland) > 2. Jorge Figueiredo (& wife) (from Portugal) > 3. Vic Rek (& wife?) (from the US) > I will be travelling alone. My wife had the option to travel, but decided to stay home this time. > > I bet there are some polish TD fans attending the concert but no meeting > place is settled, yet. > I'm on the Polish TD mailing list and it seems that about 8+ people are confirmed to be going, but I know there are many many more planning to attend. They are working on a meeting place. I expect this Polish bunch of TD fans (women included) to be a wild bunch indeed. I also have cousins in Warsaw, so I have a few meetings to coordinate I guess. I keep you posted. > > Since Roger is staying in the Belfer Hotel, which is near the bridge > where the concert is going to take place, I suggest we meet there. > This too may be an option unless there is a nice watering hole close to the bridge. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28426 Re: Warsaw Show chris towers Sat 8/11/2001 2 KB From: vic rek Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 2:58 am Subject: Atlanta Show Tickets for the Atlanta Show on Oct. 16th went on sale today at Ticketmaster at 10AM. The show is general admission and the price is $25 plus service charges (if you buy at Ticketmaster). I went to the box office around 12:30 today and asked for Tangerine Dream and the guy at the box office didn't know anything about the show. He looked it up and said, yes -you're right they are on sale. So I didn't ask the second question of 'how many TD tickets did you sell before I arrived?' :-))) Also, I have not found any advertising for this show yet. From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 3:48 am Subject: Community Joe wrote: But maybe it's time for some people to move on to a new community, especially if people seem to forget that this mailing list is for TD *FANS*, not TD bashers. If you have a problem with TDI, take it up with them.... or stop buying! How did this list become the complaint bulletin board? Maybe it's my fault for letting it. ______________________________________________________________________ Lets all take a deep breath. Joe, don't blame yourself. This list and its predecessor, the uwp list, will always have its share of people who simply speak their minds without regard to being politically correct so to say. And there will be those who jump back with the attitude that TD can do no wrong. Both are at opposite ends of the spectrum to those of us who sit in the middle and believe what we want to believe anyway. There is no way that any artist can create something that ALL love or ALL hate. We pick and choose that which we like to hear or not, we critique it from our own personal point of view, we pat ourselves on the back when somebody agrees with us or pout when someone doesn't. But does anyone here actually believe that Edgar Froese really gives a hoot what we say here? Can you imagine what chaos he would try to create if he did? An artist has to follow his own leanings and only hope that someone will understand someday. Regarding our community: we're like family: fighting a bit amongst ourselves but still together in one common understanding which is simply that we were brought together by whatever music touched us by this singular group. I would miss anybody that left this group as I DO miss those that HAVE, indeed, left in the past. But all things change, and so has TD. Get over it, get on with it. 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 5:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: English - not so quick to flame Kevin wrote: However; for those us whose primary language is English, there is no excuse for such poor language skills. Not to beat a dead horse, but it appears there is room for ALL of us to improve. Spell check does not cure all ills. 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: chris towers Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 8:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Warsaw Show I know how to get to warsaw, ill be driving from the UK, 20 hours or so drive with a few stops, but ill have to locate the area for the show when i get there, any more info on the exact location??? CHRIS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: chris towers Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 10:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ok, I'll bite WHO CARES!!!! CAN WE TALK ABOUT TD NOW PLEASE!!!!!! Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Nov 10th Anaheim, CA House of Blues questions area there is very expensive and real difficult to park / get around. Ventura better. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Bennett Cookson' To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:15 PM Subject: [tadream] Nov 10th Anaheim, CA House of Blues questions > I called the “House of Blues” in Anaheim and asked about tickets > but they were surprised saying, “How did you hear about that” and > “The event is not conformed yet” although TD web site says it is. > > Also, I asked about seating and they said it was “Standing room > only.” What exactly does this mean? Does everyone just stand or Is > it a dance hall? Has any one been there to describe what type of > place it is? > > I also noticed that most events listed at HOB in downtown Disney had a > 21 or older age requirement. Why? I thought it was a music club not > a bar environment. I would think teenagers are sure to like TD's > dance mixes. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Brian Frick Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Nov 10th Anaheim, CA House of Blues questions > I also noticed that most events listed at HOB in downtown Disney had a > 21 or older age requirement. Why? I thought it was a music club not > a bar environment. I would think teenagers are sure to like TD's > dance mixes. TD's dance mixes are not the kind of dance mixes I'd want to hear in a club. They are not the thumping bass lines and heavy drums the kids on e are looking for. At least from my experiences as an avid club-goer and DJ, I'd say they're more into Madonna/Orbit mixes than TD. I tried to play TD in a club once -- they didn't know what to do. In fact, I had to play Rebirth and Reason underneath with heavy drums before they started dancing. Before that, they just looked at each other like 'What the HELL is this?!?' -Brian From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 11:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Meeting the Band >I'm going to see >Tangerine Dream Oct 20 2001 when they play at the >T.L.A. in Philadelphia. Can anyone get any advice or >tips on how to get backstage passes or meeting the >band. I've listened to their music since 1974 and seen >ever show in the Philadelphia area.Thanks Dave > I have been trying find out if tickets are on sale yet for the Philly show. Have you already got tickets? So far, I haven't found anyplace that even acknowledges that TD are playing here. Thanks. Vince From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 12:11 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: The Edgar/Chris feud Didn't it originally come out on Private Music? If so, throw Peter Baumann into the decision to use it as well... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Armin Theissen [mailto:ath@s...] > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 7:11 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: The Edgar/Chris feud > > > > I wonder as to how far it was Chris' decision to put all those > ex-TD references on the cover or the decision of the record > company which might have thought that the album sells better that > way... > > a. > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Dennis Nigbur' wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'ampmusic' > > To: > > Sent: 06 August 2001 20:10 > > Subject: Re: [tadream] The Edgar/Chris feud > > > > > Spot on. In fact CF's first solo 'Pacific Coast Highway' didn't > even have a reference to TD on it - though I think the record > > > label added an 'Ex-TD member' label as a sticker. And it didn't > even sound (much) like TD, so couldn't even be accused of > > > trying to pinch their fans. > > > > Yes it does. I have the Pacific Coast Highway LP, and the inner > sleeve is just littered with references to TD. There's a picture of > Chris at his mixing console on one side, with the caption 'Christopher > Franke, ex-Tangerine Dream, at his Berlin recording studio'. The other > side is full of thumbnail pictures of TD album covers spanning the > years from 1970 (!) to 1988, under the headings 'Christopher Franke > with Tangerine Dream Live and Studio LPs' and 'Christopher Franke with > Tangerine Dream Soundtracks'. > > > > Looking at it again, I can quite see why Edgar may have been upset > seeing this. Not only is Chris introduced as 'ex-Tangerine Dream' > rather than merely an ex-member, but the sleeve falsely includes > 'Electronic Meditation' as a Franke album, making him out to be a > founding member of TD when he wasn't. As much as I love Chris's > contribution to TD and his solo works, I would probably have to admit > that the LP sleeve plays the 'ex-TD' card a bit too blatantly. > > > > Dennis > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 12:29 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Franke solo, Baumann solo Hahahahaaaaaa That is very observant of you! > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 4:14 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] Franke solo, Baumann solo > > > HMM... > > TD tours the US for the first time and Baumann decides to move here. > > TD comes to the US for the 86 tour, and Franke quits the band and moves to > L.A. > > TD spends some time in L.A. recording 'Melrose' and Haslinger > quits the band > and moves to L.A. > > It's no WONDER it's been so long since TD has come to the US!!! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Coral Rumsey [mailto:coral@c...] > > > Peter Baumann's apparent reasons for leaving, I gathered, > > were to basically become a successful American > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 12:36 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Nov 10th Anaheim, CA House of Blues questions I have only been to the HOB in Chicago. I don't know if they are all the same style or not. The one in Chicago is three or four levels high,but not very deep (so you are pretty close to the stage) with absolutely no seating (except in the restaurant). They do have a nice house video camera system though, in case you get tired of looking over the bannister. I saw Emmylou Harris play there about five years ago, after the first tune she said I feel like I an inside I giant blue wedding cake! (the blue lighting over the ornate decorations did look a bit like frosting)... > -----Original Message----- > From: Bennett Cookson [mailto:tadream.bmail@c...] > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 4:15 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Nov 10th Anaheim, CA House of Blues questions > > > I called the “House of Blues” in Anaheim and asked about tickets > but they were surprised saying, “How did you hear about that” and > “The event is not conformed yet” although TD web site says it is. > > Also, I asked about seating and they said it was “Standing room > only.” What exactly does this mean? Does everyone just stand or Is > it a dance hall? Has any one been there to describe what type of > place it is? > > I also noticed that most events listed at HOB in downtown Disney had a > 21 or older age requirement. Why? I thought it was a music club not > a bar environment. I would think teenagers are sure to like TD's > dance mixes. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 12:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Love this list LMAO 8-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: [tadream] Love this list > I love this list. It looks like the dog days of summer has heated tadream > list up. Hang on all for the ride. > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 12:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] digital gothic Paul Stump ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] digital gothic > Who is the author of 'Digital Gothic'? > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'tei waz' > To: ; > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 9:39 AM > Subject: [tadream] digital gothic > > > > I haven't read the book for awhile, but digital gothic is definitely a > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 12:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: list 'contributions' I have to concur with much of what Marion has said. Sadly, Morgan has notified me that he has unsubscribed from our list, which IMO is everyone's loss. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'horrod6' To: 'dreamers' Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 12:05 PM Subject: [tadream] RE: list 'contributions' > Sorry Joe, if that's the direction this list is going in, then I, for > one, will be unsubscribing. It won't be because of the recent 'negative' > threads - it'll be because you appear to want to turn the list into one > in which people are only allowed to express their feelings if they're > positive. > > Personally, I love the music. On the whole I prefer the older stuff to > the newer, but I don't hate the new stuff. I was at SBE and had a great > time. So I can make plenty of positive comments. But I wouldn't want to > belong to a group where no-one was allowed to disagree with me. > > I have, as I have said before, no problem with people expressing > negative feelings as long as they do so with courtesy. To say how > something makes you feel is just being honest about your own emotions. > If people find it offensive, maybe it's because they're getting a bit > too near a painful truth? > > While I'm in rant mode, I have to say that I find your 'motown monk mix' > argument somewhat specious. If I'd been to Egypt and sent you something > labelled 'The Luxor pictures', I think you'd be somewhat surprised to > find it contained photographs of a full-size mock-up of the Temple of > Karnac in my back garden! > > And b.t.w., if you're so keen on keeping the list positive, how come you > let someone call their fellow-listizens 'mediocre musicians and fly-by > night know it alls' with no come back - not much 'camaraderie' there! I > happen to know from personal experience that there are some d****d fine > musicians and extremely knowledgable fans on this list, and I just hope > none of them took it personally. Since I consider myself neither > knowledgeable nor a musician I didn't feel insulted, but I found that > the second most offensive thing I've read on the list recently, your > post being the most. > > As for passing on disparaging comments about fellow-listizens' command > of > English language, grammar and punctuation, well I hope that one was a > joke. Maybe we should try running the list in German for a while? > > Jared occasionally tempted me to post an angry response to the list, but > I was always able to restrain myself eventually. But you've really made > me mad. Make your mind up what kind of list you want to moderate - one > where people can say what they think, or not. Or maybe you really do > want to run one where they can say what they like about each other, as > long as they don't say anything 'negative' about the band. In which > case, as I said, I'm off. > > Marion > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 7:47 am Subject: RE: [tadream] New Dead Horse to Beat (thread) > From: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] > > Actually I do. Just not like Mozart. As for the guitar work, I either have > my wife play it or I play one cord/pattern record it, next cord > pattern and > on. (snip) > Hope this explains it a bit. This is why I call myself a 'Closet Studio > Musician' . Sorry if I am offending real musicians out there. No you're not offending me. :-) I'm probably one of those mediocre musicians on this list haha. You say you can't play like Mozart...well neither can I and neither can the Froeses. But it helps when you know the chords and play some keys. Of course you can enter the notes with the mouse, but it sounds much 'opener' and with more emotion when playing the keys. (all imo). If you have any recordings then let us know. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 8:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Gothic No, the 'periods' Paul Stump writes about aren't consistent with the 'Pink', 'Virgin', 'Blue', 'Melrose', 'Seattle' and 'Millennium' years posted on the TDI pages. His periods range from 1965-73, 1974-80, 1980-90 and 1990-96. These categories do make some sense, no more and no less than the TDI version of events. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Deb H-J' To: Sent: 10 August 2001 19:46 Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Gothic > Dennis: > > << (a) doesn't mind having to read the book at least > twice in order to > make sense of some of Paul Stump's adventurous > cross-references...I doubt > the wisdom of having each 'period' (he never explains > why he separates > them in this way rather than another >> > > Is Paul Stump the fellow who named the various TD > periods, like the 'Blue' and 'Pink' and 'Melrose' or > was this something the band itself did? It's one of > the things that has both intrigued and puzzled me > about the history of the band. I have not read the > Stump book, though I have seen a copy of it and know > what it covers. > > Also...I constantly see use of the word 'Tangentized' > and wonder if it principally used among contributors > to this list or has a wider application to TD? Do they > use it themselves? > > Don't mean to sound 'ignernt', just curious. > > Deb H-J > dhj4@y... > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 9:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Disgusted: OFF TOPIC Well said, Brian. I remember when we all got rather nasty with someone on the 'old' lists for getting personal. But their comments pale in comparison to the tone of the list today. Just in the last month, we've had personal attacks on people's taste, linguistic prowess, endless bitching about Edgar's age and Jerome's hair, and simply too much one-upmanship and 'You were saying's. In the whole three years of being subscribed to the 'old' list, I can only recall a couple of incidents where things turned a bit nasty. Can we all calm down a bit, please? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Brian Frick' To: Sent: 10 August 2001 19:50 Subject: [tadream] Disgusted: OFF TOPIC > You know, I haven't said much on this list in a long time. > > A few of you all bicker too much. Every time a new thread is introduced, > someone gets in a fight. > > Does it not occur to you that the list's subscribers have dropped > dramatically because of this? I loathe reading the emails from this list > anymore, because it's more a fucking cut-down competition than it is a > DISCUSSION list. > > I used to look to this list for information; now, I just get cat fight > emails that make bitchy, catty, bitter drag queens seem tame. > > When I joined the original TD list in 1995, there were people on here who > had conversations that didn't have to escalate into ridiculous arguments > such as those ensuing now. We talked about the music. We talked about > things that were interesting to us. I don't know if you're all bored and > are trying desperately to make this list interesting, but I think there are > things that are more interesting than snotty responses and races to see who > can be the snidest, rudest, or most ignorant. > > Those good people who are still on this list know who they are. I admire > many people on here -- those who can hold a decent conversation, talk in a > civil manner, and respect the opinions of others. This is a discussion > forum, not a soapbox for you more vocal people who have no other avenue for > expressing anger. > > Please, if this is a moderated forum, let it be moderated. > > The rest of you need to show other people some decency and respect. > > Thanks. > > -Brian > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 9:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A future that never happened Apparently, when TD were trying to cultivate a US audience in the early nineties, Klaus and Edgar decided that 'Edgar should do America, while Klais does Europe'. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Tony Walsh' To: Sent: 11 August 2001 00:16 Subject: Re: [tadream] A future that never happened > I'm sure I read somwhere that Edgar had effectivley abandoned the idea of > working with someone else because of the grief it can cause. I was also > interested to learn that he and Klaus Sculze still bump into each other from > time to time and are on good terms, tho' they disagree with each other's > musical direction! > > T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Owens, James > > > In all likelihood member 3 will be no one we've ever heard of before. > > Hopefully Edgar will find a good one! > > > > James > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: horrod6 Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 10:38 am Subject: Re: SBE Dennis asked 'the unlucky few on the second floor who had the walls around them resonate with the bass and drums so much that the rest of the music became practically inaudible. Did anyone else at all have this experience?' >From where I was (at the back of the first floor) the drums were way too loud and the guitar was practically inaudible. I still had a grrrrreat time though. Apologies if this is too a) negative b) imperfectly expressed for some people's liking. Marion (striving to regain a sense of proportion) np: Tranquillity 'The spectre within' From: horrod6 Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 10:38 am Subject: Re: A future that never happened Dennis asked: 'On the other hand, though, who could partner Jerome in the future?' Well, I thought he got some nice synergy going with Iris at SBE, particularly on Stereolight (or was it Diamonds & Dust - anyway one of the last few pieces). If dance-oriented music is the way he wants to go, I think she'd have a lot to contribute. (And it would give the predominantly male audience something to look at instead of spending the entire concert trying to work out 'is it live or is it memorex?' ) LnH Marion np: Pyramid Peak 'Random Events' (recommended) From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 6:28 pm Subject: Re: correcting mistakes on tadream.net Hi Joe, just pick it up from http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/gallery/me_others/bridge03.html cheers armin --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > someone noticed that I accidentally uploaded a few older pages onto tadream > in an ass-backwards attempt to update it. oops. sorry. I have links to > many of you on the 'Members' Pages' and 'Musos' Links. Please let me know > of any necessary updates. > > (Armin - I know you are one; sorry for the mistaken deletion; send me the > new pic and I'll replace) From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 7:12 pm Subject: RE: Flying toward your future >NOT that I'm by any means an expert, but it seems like there's a greater >concentration of GOOD recordings from 75 and 76 than any other years. True, and not true ;-) True, because in the old days, the frequency range of the synths was not worth speaking of above 10 kHz anyway, so it was much easier to capture a sound close to the original. There were no walkmen, minidisk or pocket DAT recorders at that time. Chances were, if you had the opportunity to bring any equipment in, it was something serious. Not true, because your view is definitely biased by the multitude of crappy, (n+1)-th generation tapes floating around. And the stinking CDRs mastered from those. In the old days of tape trading, people would at least give you an indication of sound quality, however inflated their scale might have been. The 'mudbakers' don't even do that much. Shame on them. cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28449 Re: Flying toward your future Marcel Engels Mon 8/13/2001 3 KB From: Felna Greymane Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 11:56 pm Subject: Re: Is the i-Box worth having? I can't possibly imagine this is the reason....TD still continues now to release the same music now that exists in one form or another on other releases....aka The Best of The Best of the Complete Collection of TD....blah! Atlantic Walls/Bridges were the last straw for me on this...and they're still doing it 'ala Tango! Jeff --------- > Mmmmm, a FANTASTIC concert. Still one of my favourites, and every bit as good as Logos and Poland in its own > way. I can only assume that the sole reason why they never released this was that it contains quite a lot of musical > passages that are very close to material that had already been released at the time. > > Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28460 OT: Pythonized again... Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Mon 8/13/2001 3 KB From: horrod6 Date: Sun Aug 12, 2001 11:43 am Subject: Re: New dead horse Hey Liondream I'm not a gearhead, and I'm not interested in the thread. But I just skip over those bits of the digest, no problem. And I have to admire the way you people have kept a nice calm conversation going on while the rest of us had temper tantrums. I think we need you for a bit of balance! LnH Marion From: webmaster@v... Date: Sun Aug 12, 2001 4:42 pm Subject: Voices In The Net - Update First of all, I'd like to thank for the kind words of those who sent an email to Peter or me, or made a post to one of the Yahoo TD lists! Some of the list members might be interested to know that the first update of 'Voices In The Net' is finished. There are some corrections and additions, and especially the release details are completed for all releases starting with the Tangents box (1994) up to now. The next update is planned in about 14 days. Best regards... and enjoy T-Dreaming! Michael Berling http://www.voices-in-the-net.de From: vic rek Date: Sun Aug 12, 2001 11:10 pm Subject: Okefenokee 2002 & New TD Trade Lists Please check out my updated links for: Ricochet Gathering at the Okefenokee 2002 at: http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/ricochet.htm Tangerine trade list, wish list and links at: http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/td_trade.htm Or just go to my home page at: http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/ Please let me know if you want to trade any TD or attend the Okefenokee Gathering in 2002!!! Vic From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Aug 12, 2001 6:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Flying toward your future > From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...] > > True, because in the old days, the frequency range of the synths was > not worth speaking of above 10 kHz anyway, so it was much easier > to capture a sound close to the original. Hmm I have to disagree...the Moog modular went from 0.5Hz to around 60kHz...much higher then all samplers and digital synths (and cd players and DATs). Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Ivan Yerkedoff Date: Sun Aug 12, 2001 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Meeting the Band Thanks Tony and Vince. I contacted T.Dream about meeting them and was advised to inquire at the merchandise the day of the show. They also said the band's line up should be Edgar Froese, Jerome Froese, Gerald Gradwohl Iris Kult. Haven't heard any thing about when tickets go on sale for Philly show yet.Thanks again --- Tony Walsh wrote: > Welcome to the list. > > Sadly I have no idea how you would get to meet the > band tho' I believe that > there are people here who have met members past and > present. > > Funny thing is that if I did meet Edgar, Chris et > al, I wouldn't know what > to say! > > Tony. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ivan Yerkedoff > To: > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 1:27 AM > Subject: [tadream] Meeting the Band > > > > Hi to all. This is my first time in a discussion > > group, please forgive any mistakes.I'm going to > see > > Tangerine Dream Oct 20 2001 when they play at the > > T.L.A. in Philadelphia. Can anyone get any advice > or > > tips on how to get backstage passes or meeting the > > band. I've listened to their music since 1974 and > seen > > ever show in the Philadelphia area.Thanks Dave > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: horrod6 Date: Sun Aug 12, 2001 11:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] nothing left to talk about! WHO CARES!!!! CAN WE TALK ABOUT TD NOW PLEASE!!!!!! Chris Sure Chris - you suggest what aspect you want to talk about and someone is sure to join in. But if you keep nay-saying everybody else's contributions, we're soon going to have nothing left to talk about! LnH Marion [moderator's note: subject line changed from 'Digest Number 997'] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28456 Re: nothing left to talk about! chris towers Mon 8/13/2001 2 KB 28457 Re: nothing left to talk about! Joe Shoults Mon 8/13/2001 2 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 5:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] [ot] [gas] nord vs access -----Original Message----- From: tei waz To: tadream@yahoogroups.com ; teiwazbarana@h... Date: Thursday, August 09, 2001 5:11 PM Subject: [tadream] [ot] [gas] nord vs access >Ok, I'll go off topic and ask some of the considerably more-than-mediocre >musicians on this list if they can compare/contrast the nord synths with the >access synths? I had been looking into buying--if they ever are in stock >again :) an access--most likely a virus XXXX, but I'd like to know more >about the nord micro modular. I know that my pal Marcel has an Access Virus that he enjoys deeply and I've seen him use it to great effect up close and personal. Unfortunately, I can't speak to its architecture. But relative to a Nord Modular (or micromodular), it has a fixed architecture. The Nord, on the other hand, has NO architecture. With each patch, you get to design a synth from the ground up. You can copy the architecture of the Virus or the minimoog or any number of other machines. Or you can invent your own 12 oscillator/8 LFO beast. To my mind, the sequencers alone are worth the price of admission. Within one patch, you can have several sequencers running several 'synths.' Just try to buy one hardware sequencer (of the 'analog' style) and you'll spend at least as much as you would for a micromodular! >Mostly I'd use it to generate sounds. And what does my PC need to connect >to a nord micromodular? Two MIDI ins and two MIDI outs - one set for programming and one set for MIDI sequencing. >And since my PC's about due for an upgrade--do you think a nord would work >well with a new generation japanese laptop like a LOOX or should I get >something with a large screen for easy viewing? The bigger the screen, the better off you'll be no matter what application you run, as a generalization. It's certainly true for the nord editor. Cheers, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 5:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Nord Micro -----Original Message----- From: john@p... >The track 'Bock' from the new Airsculpture album 'Quark Soup' was >performed (improvised live, no overdubs) entirely on 3 Nord Modulars. >You can hear it at http://www.mp3.com/airsculpture/ Was there any clock sharing between Nords? If not, how do you handle multiple nords providing sequences? Cheers, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28462 Re: Nord Micro john@p... Mon 8/13/2001 2 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 5:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Airsculpture -----Original Message----- From: Neil Jellis >I can't believe I'd restricted my EM to Jarre and TD for so long when there >was so much more to enjoy. Have you tried 'Okefenokee Dreams' by list members Marcel and Dave? (Hint, hint!) >But having attended the ['ramp]/Cosmic Hoffman gig at Jodrell Bank and >subsequently acquired CD's from AS, FSP, ['ramp], Tranquillity, UTD, >Arcane, Parsick & Ringlage and Rainbow Serpent I can say that my listening >pleasure has been increased and expanded enormously. Will you be going to the Hampshire Jam, then? http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/octgig.htm >(who can't wait for the Hampshire Jam to come around!) I guess so! Cheers, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 5:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New Dead Horse -----Original Message----- From: Liondream@a... >I will bite on that one, but I wonder whether a too technical discussion would be appropriate for this list. I'm almost thinking it might be useful to start a new list for musicians who are inspired by TD music? I think a list like that might be fun - sharing tips and tricks, etc. specifically related to the mode of music we most love. It seems that many of the musos here already are members of the gearhead list, another yahoo group. Cheers, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From: chris towers Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 9:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] nothing left to talk about! What do you mean, name something to talk about, lets talk about TD, the goings on, the music, the upcoming shows. Whats all this about foreign languages all of a sudden???? forgive my ignorance Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 10:23 am Subject: RE: [tadream] nothing left to talk about! I changed the subject from 'Digest # whatever' to the above. I think she was joking that your enthusiasm is dampening the discussions. ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: chris towers [mailto:cjt999fire2000@y...] > What do you mean, name something to talk about, lets > talk about TD, the goings on, the music, the upcoming > shows. Whats all this about foreign languages all of a > sudden???? forgive my ignorance > > Chris > From: 'Jens Kilian' Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 9:19 pm Subject: F. Paul Wilson on 'The Keep' I just stumbled on F. Paul Wilson's 'Repairman Jack' website (which is at http://www.repairmanjack.com/), and here's what he has to say about the movie version of his novel 'The Keep': Made into a visually interesting but otherwise incomprehensible film by Michael Mann for Paramount in 1983. The film was a critical and financial disaster but retains a cult following comprised mostly of Tangerine Dream fans. ;-) Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28471 Re: F. Paul Wilson on 'The Keep' Deb H-J Mon 8/13/2001 2 KB 28477 Re: F. Paul Wilson on 'The Keep' Michael A Jean Tue 8/14/2001 3 KB From: 'David Foster' Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 4:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: SBE > Dennis asked 'the unlucky few on the second floor who had the walls > around them resonate with the bass and drums so much that the rest of > the music became practically inaudible. Did anyone else at all have this > experience?' > I have been to SBE a few times and seen TD at other venues.. I chose to see them on the first floor of SBE because there you seem to get the best acoustics. David From: Rolf Elfström Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 10:26 am Subject: OT: Pythonized again... >TD still continues now to release the same music now that exists in one >form or another on other releases....aka The Best of The Best of the >Complete Collection of TD....blah! > >Atlantic Walls/Bridges were the last straw for me on this...and they're >still doing it 'ala Tango! > >Jeff I think Monty Python summed up all this 'shuffle and re-release' stuff with the title of their first compilation album: 'The Monty Python Instant Record Collection: The Pick Of The Best Of Some Recently Repeated Python Hits Again, Vol. II' =) Rolf From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 11:56 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: list 'contributions' Ok, I'm not going to write a book here, but... Any of you who have been here for long know that this is a somewhat cyclical thing on the life of an e-mail list, and the tadream list is no stranger to these cycles. I'll speak up when it happens, but for me to take action people usually have to push pretty hard. I don't mind a little levity, and I think most subscribers don't mind. I don't mind negative reviews, as long as they attempt to be civil and mature. That is, a review given within at least an attempt at a balanced critical analysis. Let's face it, part of the purpose of the list is to give opinions (reference the 'D:[xx]' discussions), and most of us aren't professional musicians or music critics, so no one is asking for reviews to necessarily be written like a pro. But as many of you know, I ask for feedback from exiting members. When negativity becomes a prominent reason for people leaving, it begs the question of 'is it time to step in and say something'? This is underscored when new members come in, then turn away. Having new members like Chris Towers is a breath of fresh air, IMO. Now, here's a guy who, for all intents and purposes is a 'virgin' here. No offense, Chris, but I mean you hopefully haven't yet had your enthusiasm dampened yet. Perhaps some people don't realize how they can discourage the kind of enthusiasm Chris has? Perhaps in some crusade for The Truth it feels necessary to point out every flaw? Whether that is the reason or not, the end result is the same. For any of you who have a problem with how I manage the list, I must ask: do you manage lists yourself? Please let me know so I can subscribe to your list and begin ranting about anything *I* find negative. Or tell me how you'd deal with it. I'm open to suggestions as long as the goal is to try to engender and maintain a sense of community, open dialog and subject support while balancing the levity, neagtivity *and* enthusiasm, all at once. And no, Marion , my goal is not to have some obsequious kiss-Edgar's-ass list, but we are here to 'help' the band.. As a TD fan, and as listowner, I simply don't have the same emotions about stuff other people place a lot of importance on, and judge negative comments on list by whether they add to or detract from interesting and salient discussion. Likewise I'd rather maintain the mutually beneficial relationship with TD that this list has. We get a lot of links from their site, but what good does it do TD if we turn people OFF, rather than ON to their music? How much of a benefit is it for them to link to a list that enthusiastic fans end up turning away from? I see the stats and I read and respond to every single exit interview (automatically sent to subscribers upon unsubbing). By far, the majority of people that leave for good (at least those who respond) is because of the negativity. Oh boy, I said I wasn't going to write a book and there I go. > -----Original Message----- > From: Hilary Wright [mailto:hilary.wright@a...] > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:42 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: list 'contributions' > > > Agreed. You need both sides of the argument. As I said in an earlier > post, you need balance in the list. Constructive criticism is great. > and, yes, let's keep it polite. > > Anyway, I'm not sure Joe is arguing for a 'love' list. He sure > tolerates a lot of extremely negative comment, and a lot of comment > not relevant to the list topic (English v Mexican, Edgar's hair ...) > > Still it makes entertaining reading...! > > Hilary > > --- In tadream@y..., horrod6 wrote: > > Sorry Joe, if that's the direction this list is going in, then I, > for > > one, will be unsubscribing. It won't be because of the > recent 'negative' > > threads - it'll be because you appear to want to turn the list into > one > > in which people are only allowed to express their feelings if > they're > > positive. > > > > Personally, I love the music. On the whole I prefer the older stuff > to > > the newer, but I don't hate the new stuff. I was at SBE and had a > great > > time. So I can make plenty of positive comments. But I wouldn't > want to > > belong to a group where no-one was allowed to disagree with me. > > > > I have, as I have said before, no problem with people expressing > > negative feelings as long as they do so with courtesy. To say how > > something makes you feel is just being honest about your own > emotions. > > If people find it offensive, maybe it's because they're getting a > bit > > too near a painful truth? > > > > While I'm in rant mode, I have to say that I find your 'motown monk > mix' > > argument somewhat specious. If I'd been to Egypt and sent you > something > > labelled 'The Luxor pictures', I think you'd be somewhat surprised > to > > find it contained photographs of a full-size mock-up of the Temple > of > > Karnac in my back garden! > > > > And b.t.w., if you're so keen on keeping the list positive, how > come you > > let someone call their fellow-listizens 'mediocre musicians and fly- > by > > night know it alls' with no come back - not much 'camaraderie' > there! I > > happen to know from personal experience that there are some d****d > fine > > musicians and extremely knowledgable fans on this list, and I just > hope > > none of them took it personally. Since I consider myself neither > > knowledgeable nor a musician I didn't feel insulted, but I found > that > > the second most offensive thing I've read on the list recently, your > > post being the most. > > > > As for passing on disparaging comments about fellow-listizens' > command > > of > > English language, grammar and punctuation, well I hope that one was > a > > joke. Maybe we should try running the list in German for a while? > > > > Jared occasionally tempted me to post an angry response to the > list, but > > I was always able to restrain myself eventually. But you've really > made > > me mad. Make your mind up what kind of list you want to moderate - > one > > where people can say what they think, or not. Or maybe you really do > > want to run one where they can say what they like about each other, > as > > long as they don't say anything 'negative' about the band. In which > > case, as I said, I'm off. > > > > Marion > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28483 Re: list 'contributions' chris towers Tue 8/14/2001 2 KB From: john@p... Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 12:03 pm Subject: Re: Nord Micro --- In tadream@y..., 'Bill Fox' wrote: > Was there any clock sharing between Nords? If not, how do you > handle multiple nords providing sequences? No. For some reason whenever we've tried to do common clocks it seems to go wrong. Normally we take it in turns to sequence, which is usually what you want as it allows the other two to play (two players interacting is generally more interesting than one guy playing solo). In Bock it's mostly just Ade sequencing alone, though there is a section where Pete joins in without any synchronisation. Being digital the Nords don't drift much (but they do a little which is no doubt by design. Good for Steve Reich or Michael Hoenig impressions). We are planning on having another go at common clocks at the Hampshire Jam, but I think we'll also have a Plan B in case it all goes horribly wrong again! jc From: Liondream@a... Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 2:36 pm Subject: 'gearhead list' & Flashpoint Thanks, Bill. I wasn't aware of such a list. Is this list open to new members? I would be interested in a list that discusses TD type music (EM in general, but more geared towards TD) from a production point of view. ..but I would also like to stay here and discuss my favorite group with everyone else. That said... I did some TD shopping this weekend. Picked up Force Majeure, Dream Encores, and Tyranny of Beauty at the local Virgin store. They had Flashpoint too, but they had it in the rock section under 'F' as if the name of the group were Flashpoint. It was definitely the TD soundtrack. It seems the record stores don't always know where to place TD... I usually find it in New Age, sometimes also Rock, and sometimes in the Electronica/Techno sections that a lot of record stores now have. I used to have Flashpoint on lp ages ago, but have never seen a cd of it. I don't remember it anymore, I wonder if it was a mistake not to have gotten that. Hmm. Best regards to all. <<>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28465 Re: 'gearhead list' & Flashpoint Bill Fox Mon 8/13/2001 3 KB 28466 Re: Where TD goes James E. Jacoby Mon 8/13/2001 2 KB 28482 Re: Where TD goes chris towers Tue 8/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 2:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Nord Micro -----Original Message----- From: john@p... >No. For some reason whenever we've tried to do common clocks it >seems to go wrong. Normally we take it in turns to sequence, which >is usually what you want as it allows the other two to play (two >players interacting is generally more interesting than one guy >playing solo). Separate clocks, aye. Then do you set your tempos to the same value at the beginning of a song? Cheers, Bill From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 3:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'gearhead list' & Flashpoint -----Original Message----- From: Liondream@a... >Thanks, Bill. >I wasn't aware of such a list. Is this list open to new members? I would be interested in a list that discusses TD type music (EM in general, but more geared towards TD) from a production point of view. Yes, gearhead is open to new members. Please join and start a gearhead thread if you feel uncomfortable doing techie stuff here. It's not a TD-only list but it is open to tech talk no matter the source. And it's rather low traffic. >..but I would also like to stay here and discuss my favorite group with everyone else. These groups are not mutually exclusive. You may join both and many others, too. >It seems the record stores don't always know where to place TD... I usually find it in New Age, sometimes also Rock, and sometimes in the Electronica/Techno sections that a lot of record stores now have. And sometimes in all three sections within one store? Cheers, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28466 Re: Where TD goes James E. Jacoby Mon 8/13/2001 2 KB 28482 Re: Where TD goes chris towers Tue 8/14/2001 2 KB From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 3:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Where TD goes > >It seems the record stores don't always know where to place TD... > I usually > find it in New Age, sometimes also Rock, and sometimes in the > Electronica/Techno > sections that a lot of record stores now have. All Trans World stores (FYE, Camelot, Record Town, Coconuts, Wall, etc.) should carry TD in the new age section, although sometimes the soundtracks get cross-merchandised. I believe Sam Goody's does the same. Is there a better place for it to be put? They have enough releases to comfortably sit in most areas in a store, be it New Age, Rock, Jazz, Electronica, whatever... but there's really no category for 'Has Done A Little Bit of Everything and is Therefore Unclassifiable.' And would 'Tyger' be put in the R&B section? James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28482 Re: Where TD goes chris towers Tue 8/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Dead Horse to Beat (thread) nada I would want to release yet. I have much more to learn before I do that. Getting the cords down was one of the first things I mange to get into a habit of doing now. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marcel Engels' To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 12:47 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] New Dead Horse to Beat (thread) > > From: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] > > > > Actually I do. Just not like Mozart. As for the guitar work, I either have > > my wife play it or I play one cord/pattern record it, next cord > > pattern and > > on. > (snip) > > Hope this explains it a bit. This is why I call myself a 'Closet Studio > > Musician' . Sorry if I am offending real musicians out there. > > No you're not offending me. :-) > I'm probably one of those mediocre musicians on this list haha. > You say you can't play like Mozart...well neither can I and > neither can the Froeses. But it helps when you know the chords > and play some keys. Of course you can enter the notes with the > mouse, but it sounds much 'opener' and with more emotion when > playing the keys. (all imo). > If you have any recordings then let us know. > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list 'contributions' Joe I am sure we all Love you. I for one know you are doing a fine job. I look forward to reading this list everyday. Even when I am in lurk mode, you can count on me being here. I have seen many heated debates and some leave over the time I have been here. I am sure more will leave as I am also sure more will come. Just keep the list going and kill those really nasty worded ones for us. That is all I am expect. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' From: moxica@m... Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 7:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list 'contributions' I concur -- I've been around since 92, and have heard it all. I kind of wonder what it would have been like to have this type of forurm in the 70's... 'Man, when are they going to get off that Mellotron flute sample?' ----Original Message----- >From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' >count on me being here. I have seen many heated debates and some leave over >the time I have been here. I am sure more will leave as I am also sure more >will come. Just keep the list going and kill those really nasty worded ones >for us. That is all I am expect. From: moxica@m... Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 7:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Where TD goes Tower in Atlanta has them in both New Age *and* Rock/Pop... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28486 Re: Where TD goes Joe Shoults Tue 8/14/2001 2 KB 28488 Re: Where TD goes Gary Jenkins Tue 8/14/2001 3 KB 28487 Re: Where TD goes Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 8/14/2001 4 KB 28496 Re: Where TD goes PENFOLD Wed 8/15/2001 3 KB 28492 Re: Where TD goes Adele Outland Wed 8/15/2001 3 KB 28498 Re: Where TD goes Michael Fox Wed 8/15/2001 2 KB 28499 Re: Where TD goes Julannparc@a... Wed 8/15/2001 3 KB 28505 Re: Where TD goes Gary Jenkins Wed 8/15/2001 3 KB 28509 Re: Where TD goes simon heath Wed 8/15/2001 2 KB From: Deb H-J Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 8:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] F. Paul Wilson on 'The Keep' Jens: > Made into a visually interesting > but otherwise incomprehensible film by > Michael Mann > for Paramount in 1983. The film was a > critical and > financial disaster but retains a cult > following > comprised mostly of Tangerine Dream > fans. I've also read reviews by film critics who say that the Tangerine Dream score was the 'saving grace' of the film, and contributed to the atmosphere of esoteric horror. Michael Mann took over the filming and used the TD sound to pull the story together. I think this film is the best marriage of music and image (regardless of the hard-to-find plot) of the TD scored films I've seen so far. Personally, I don't think that any film that has a nude scene with a buff Scott Glenn from the 80's can be all bad ;o} Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28477 Re: F. Paul Wilson on 'The Keep' Michael A Jean Tue 8/14/2001 3 KB From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Mon Aug 13, 2001 11:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list 'contributions' Oh yes! And all the endless debates re. newer stuff ('Rubycon', 'Stratosfear',etc ) versus older stuff ('Alpha Centauri', 'Zeit' etc)!!!!!!! Tony. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list 'contributions' > I kind of wonder what it would have been like to have this type of forurm in the 70's... 'Man, when are they going to get off that Mellotron flute sample?' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28473 Re: list 'contributions' john@p... Tue 8/14/2001 2 KB From: john@p... Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 9:49 am Subject: Re: list 'contributions' --- In tadream@y..., 'Tony Walsh' wrote: > Oh yes! And all the endless debates re. newer stuff ('Rubycon', > 'Stratosfear',etc ) versus older stuff ('Alpha Centauri', 'Zeit' etc)!!!!!!! Ha, it happened. I came across someone (brother of a friend) who was wildly into Zeit but gave up when they sold out with Phaedra etc. jc np: Okefenokee Dreams 2 prototype From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 1:52 pm Subject: tangent topic: Nord micro and live clocks Thanks, John, this was like a flash of light to me... one guy sequencing while the other guys play over, then someone else takes their turn. I've been checking out the Nord micro and it's definitely on my list of things to get. I see that the Micro keyboard version has 7 dsps, while the small micro only has 1. How has that fared in 'real world' scenarios in terms of how complex of a sound you've been able to get? Can the micro non key be upgraded to add more dsps if necessary? THANKS! Message: 7 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:03:42 -0000 From: john@p... Subject: Re: Nord Micro --- In tadream@y..., 'Bill Fox' wrote: > Was there any clock sharing between Nords? If not, how do you > handle multiple nords providing sequences? No. For some reason whenever we've tried to do common clocks it seems to go wrong. Normally we take it in turns to sequence, which is usually what you want as it allows the other two to play (two players interacting is generally more interesting than one guy playing solo). In Bock it's mostly just Ade sequencing alone, though there is a section where Pete joins in without any synchronisation. Being digital the Nords don't drift much (but they do a little which is no doubt by design. Good for Steve Reich or Michael Hoenig impressions). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28476 Re: tangent topic: Nord micro and live clocks john@p... Tue 8/14/2001 3 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 1:59 pm Subject: Where to find TD in stores That's what I mean... sometimes hard to find where they are when you go into an unfamiliar store. Though mostly they're in New Age. Tower seems to have them in both New Age and Rock. Paul Haslinger is usually in Rock too. It is kind of a nice treat when you go into the New Age section and they don't have anything 'new' and you become disappointed, then you realize that there's more in the Rock section that's of interest. The Flashpoint scenario I described at the Virgin store the other day was just a fluke, but I think a funny indicator of anything being possible. I wonder if Flashpoint is out of print and maybe it's been sitting on that shelf for a few years because nobody's come across it. Sometimes you can see the date of arrival on the price upc, and I've found a few things this way that were out of print and maybe misfiled and that were sitting hidden away in some obscure bin. Hence my question to the general populace... do you guys think I should run back and grab Flashpoint? THANKS! > >It seems the record stores don't always know where to place TD... > I usually > find it in New Age, sometimes also Rock, and sometimes in the > Electronica/Techno > sections that a lot of record stores now have. All Trans World stores (FYE, Camelot, Record Town, Coconuts, Wall, etc.) should carry TD in the new age section, although sometimes the soundtracks get cross-merchandised. I believe Sam Goody's does the same. Is there a better place for it to be put? They have enough releases to comfortably sit in most areas in a store, be it New Age, Rock, Jazz, Electronica, whatever... but there's really no category for 'Has Done A Little Bit of Everything and is Therefore Unclassifiable.' And would 'Tyger' be put in the R&B section? James From: john@p... Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 2:19 pm Subject: Re: tangent topic: Nord micro and live clocks --- In tadream@y..., Liondream@a... wrote: > I see that the Micro keyboard version has 7 dsps, while the small micro only has 1. How has that fared in 'real world' scenarios in terms of how complex of a sound you've been able to get? Can the micro non key be upgraded to add more dsps if necessary? Mmm, some confused terminology here. I'll review it: The _Nord Modular Keyboard_ has 4 slots each served by a dsp, and each of which can play a distinct patch (that's a slight simplification!). The _Nord Modular Rack_ is identical apart from the lack of a keyboard. The _Nord Micro Modular_ has one slot served by a single dsp, so you can only load a single patch. The full (key/rack) versions can have an upgrade which doubles the number of dsps. This increases polyphony but you still only have 4 slots, so you can only load 4 patches at a time. I've not thought this worthwhile as I tend not to produce patches that need big polyphony. The micro isn't upgradable at all. You can get a HUGE sound out of a single slot (and hence a micro), but the full beast is certainly more than the sum of its parts. > THANKS! Welcome! jc From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 2:50 am Subject: RE: [tadream] F. Paul Wilson on 'The Keep' It never ceases to amaze me that when I bring up Tangerine Dream to ordinary people, so many people ask 'Didn't they do the soundtrack to that horror film, The Keep?'. It seems they would be recognized for a movie that didn't even last a week in the theater... > -----Original Message----- > From: Deb H-J [mailto:dhj4@y...] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:39 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] F. Paul Wilson on 'The Keep' > > > Jens: > > > Made into a visually interesting > > but otherwise incomprehensible film by > > Michael Mann > > for Paramount in 1983. The film was a > > critical and > > financial disaster but retains a cult > > following > > comprised mostly of Tangerine Dream > > fans. From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:34 am Subject: RE: LA--land of big-haired poseurs Ouch! could be, I always felt LA has one of the better human zoos, good examples of about all human varieties. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 3:02 pm Subject: Re: Warsaw Show Olá Jorge, If I survive this month I'll be there as well with my family. Still haven't found a place to stay though. /Olle >Yes, so far: >1. Roger Hartopp (& wife) (British, but from Poland) >2. Jorge Figueiredo (& wife) (from Portugal) >3. Vic Rek (& wife?) (from the US) ---Btw: Digest number 1000 just received, where´s the party?--- From: 'Thomas Bertilsson' Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 3:27 pm Subject: Re: OT: Pythonized again... > > TD still continues now to release the same music now that exists in one >form or another on other releases....aka The Best of The Best of the >Complete Collection of TD....blah! > > Atlantic Walls/Bridges were the last straw for me on this...and they're >still doing it 'ala Tango! > > Jeff >I think Monty Python summed up all this 'shuffle and re-release' stuff with >the title of their first compilation album: >'The Monty Python Instant Record Collection: The Pick Of The Best Of Some >Recently Repeated Python Hits Again, Vol. II' >=) >Rolf Or how about: Monty Python 'The final rip-off' :) Thomas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 5:27 pm Subject: E Music Performance I went to see a performance of Electronic music yesterday at the Kennedy Center as part of the Sonic Circuits international music festival. I wasn't sure what to expect, but I had a general idea. I was surprised at the large turnout (over 400 people including families and senior citizens) most of whom probably had no idea what they were in for.... The performances were unique to say the least... The most amusing was a woman 'conducting' 4 CD players! She would spin around and press play, and pause to create a collage of sounds.... Imagine if the uproar on this list, if TD ever tried to do that! The most annoying piece was listed as a played tape recording... The artist didn't even bother to show up to press the play button! No excuse for that... The most interesting most interesting was a bearded James Brody who introduced the piece he composed (although it was played by someone else). Called 'Background Count' it was a recording of a geiger counter reading of cosmic radiation, where the different 'clicks'each triggered a musical event. There was also an interactive video-cello, which gave me some insight to what a Lightwave performance must be like.... If anyone would like to see it for themselves, direct your browswer to www.kennedycenter.org and check the archives for Sonic Circuits... I also saw Madonna's show this past weekend... It was a spectacle that included 100 foot wide costumes, and a 'crouching tiger' Madonna flying around the stage... I had to stand the whole time to see over the 4 women in front of me who danced the entire show... I hope i don;t see them at the TD show...hahaha -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://webmail.earthlink.net From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 6:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Where TD goes LOL what difference does it make which section they go under?? is it a problem?? whether it be R&B, Rock, New Age Classical or Dance music, just look under 'T' Problem Solved Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 6:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: list 'contributions' Thankyou for your kind words in your email. Yes i am a virgin to this list, but not to the music, and no my spirit certainly hasnt been dampened, if anything im trying to understand the negativity of so many people on here. Ill keep on atit anyway :-) Again, thankyou for understanding my love for TD Regards Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 5:32 pm Subject: Discovering TD / excitement over live perth tape My first TD exposure was probably the short pieces the US media played before the NEWS/WEATHER/SPORTS/TRAFFIC. My first albums I heard were Atem/Alpha Centuri then Ricochet/Encore on tapes from a friend in college 80/81. The next summer I got Rubycon, Exit and Edgars solos Stuntman and Epsilon. This began my adventurous hobby of evaluating record stores thru out the states and abroad by there TD content. Alway buying anything I didn't have that I could afford. I enjoy both the NEG and POS of this list, although the criticism is usually much more intelligent IMHO. Disc 5 of the I-BOX contained Pilots of Purple Twilight that I would have believed was from the Albuquerque concert instead of what was released on Livemiles. Was Disc 6 of the I-BOX misrepresented? I certainly was fooled. ******************************** disc six encompassing a complete live set from Perth ******************************** Message: 1 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:35:43 +0100 From: 'TDI - Martin K.' Subject: Re: official spam!!! Hello everyone, I just wanted to let you know that we have tons of new merchandise available at the TDI MUSIC MALL- website: www.tdi-music-mall.de Our most notable additions (which will make formidable X-mas- presents, by the way...): 1. the Ground Liftaz 12'- vinyl bundle contains: - 2 x 12' maxis by TDJ Rome (aka Jerome Froese) - athmospheric drum & bass with an edge - 3 x 12' maxis from the upcoming Dream Mixes III- album all vinyl records are DMM mastered for superior playback quality. Altogether you get this extraordinary package for only USD 50 (incl. p&p). This bundle is strictly limited to 350 copies. Of each record, only 500 pc.´s were made (except GL 0005, of which only 430 exist due to a pressing plant error). So - you have a real collectors item, here. 2. The i-Box: Tangerine Dream  i-Box (1970- 1990) Just in time for the holiday season, TDI MUSIC are releasing a special treat: the Tangerine Dream i- Box. For the first time ever, material from all four of the band´s major creative periods is compiled in one box set. Tracks from the Pink Years, the Virgin Years, the Blue Years and the Melrose Years are brought together on six CD´s to form a definitive overview of two decades in the oeuvre of a band that shaped the history of popular music. Furthermore, the set contains unreleased studio and live material, disc six encompassing a complete live set from Perth. Altogether, this box set is a collection that is a must for TD- newcomers and diehard fans alike. Tracklisting: Disc 1: 1. Alpha Centauri - 3:19 2. Fauni- Gena - 3:58 3. Birth of Liquid Plejades - 4:45 4. White Clouds - 4:24 5. Green Desert - 5:28 6. Astral Voyager - 6:11 7. Indian Summer - 6:42 8. Dolphin Dance - 5:03 9. Underwater Twilight - 5:30 10. Coppercoast - 5:17 11. The Night at Ayers Rock - 3:18 12. Logos (Red Part) - 6:12 13. Monolight - 4:52 14. No Man´s Land - 7:29 Disc 2: 1. Logos (Blue Part) - 5:56 2. Cinnamon Road - 4:14 3. Desert Dream - 4:02 4. Logos (Velvet Part) - 5:08 5. Hyperborea - 8:37 6. Dominion - 4:49 7. Monolight (Yellow Part) - 7:15 8. Volcano - 4:42 9. Ride on a Ray - 5:15 10. Pergamon (Piano Part) - 5:00 11. Tangent - 5:20 12. Central Park - 3:36 13. Barbakane - 4:14 Disc 3: 1. Zen Garden - 4:43 2. Yellowstone Park - 6:10 3. Livemiles (Green Trail Part) - 6:00 4. Gaudi Park - 5:17 5. Alchemy of the Heart - 5:40 6. Song of the Whale (From Dawn) - 4:59 7. Tyger (William Blake Poem) - 5:33 8. Bois de Bologne - 5:14 9. Poland - 9:10 10. Livemiles (San Buena Ventura) - 5:12 11. Song of the Whale (to Dusk) - 5:57 12. The Cliffs of Sydney - 5:42 Disc 4: 1. Warsaw in the Sun (live) - 4:55 2. Polish Dance (live) - 5:00 3. Melrose (live) - 5:50 4. Electric Lion (live) - 8:17 5. Longing for Cashba - 7:50 6. Cool at Heart (live) - 6:10 7. Sungate (live) - 4:40 8. Marakesh (live) - 8:26 9. Ivory Town - 4:45 10. Cat Scan (live) - 5:39 11. Ghazal (live) - 5:07 12. The Midnight Trail (live) - 5:51 Disc 5: 1. Too Hot for my Chinchilla (live) - 3:48 2. Unicorn Saga (live) - 4:05 3. Lily on the Beach (live) - 4:08 4. Storm Seekers - 5:35 5. Mount Shasta (live) - 4:27 6. Exit (live) - 4:37 7. Akash Deep - 7:20 8. Crystal Curfew (live) - 5:04 9. Cool Shibuya - 3:45 10. Alaskan Summer (live) - 3:40 11. Long Island Sunset (live) - 7:00 12. Rolling Down Cahuenga (live) - 6:40 13. Iguana (live) - 5:35 Disc 6: 1. Dream Yards (live in Perth) - 46:10 Altogether, you will get this extraordinary package from us for only USD 50 (incl. p&p). Visit our official website: www.tdi-music-mall.de or www.ground-liftaz.de for infos on our club culture activites. Thanks for reading! Take care and happy X- mas!!!!!!! Best regards, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28493 Re: Discovering TD Deb H-J Wed 8/15/2001 3 KB From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 6:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Warsaw Show Hello, olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > > If I survive this month I'll be there as well with my family. Still haven't > found a place to stay though. I made my secure online reservations at: http://www.hotelspoland.com If you want further details contact me off-list. There are so many important discussions going on this list and we don't want to disturb, right? :-) See you soon, Jorge Figueiredo From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 7:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Where TD goes I've found TD mostly in the 'New Age' section, but also in 'Soundtracks', 'Rock' and 'Techno', depending on the neighborhood... ;-) But IMO, it is good to find them in any section. What I usually do is move their disks or albums to the front of the bin so they are facing the browsing shoppers... > -----Original Message----- > From: chris towers [mailto:cjt999fire2000@y...] > LOL what difference does it make which section they go > under?? is it a problem?? whether it be R&B, Rock, New > Age Classical or Dance music, just look under 'T' > > Problem Solved Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28488 Re: Where TD goes Gary Jenkins Tue 8/14/2001 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 7:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Where TD goes Same here on moving the albums. What I really hate is when one of those min. wage sales folks tell me 'We don't carry any TD here', and I find some. It is almost like they have a badge of honor or something not carry TD. WhereHouse is bad on this in my area. Funny thing, seems the person who tells me this in only there for 6 months or less. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 12:02 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Where TD goes > I've found TD mostly in the 'New Age' section, but also in 'Soundtracks', > 'Rock' and 'Techno', depending on the neighborhood... ;-) > But IMO, it is good to find them in any section. What I usually do is move > their disks or albums to the front of the bin so they are facing the > browsing shoppers... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: chris towers [mailto:cjt999fire2000@y...] > > > LOL what difference does it make which section they go > > under?? is it a problem?? whether it be R&B, Rock, New > > Age Classical or Dance music, just look under 'T' > > > > Problem Solved > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28496 Re: Where TD goes PENFOLD Wed 8/15/2001 3 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 7:32 pm Subject: Re: Where TD goes Talking Of moving discs I went in to a local small music shop wearing my DM3 T- shirt looking for second hand bargains,after I had been in there a while I returned to a section I had been looking at previously and to my surprise A copy of Logos had appeared from nowhere at a cheap price,a very quick thinking shop assistant I think but it did not work for them on this occasion,how could they think someone wearing a TD shirt would not have a copy already. Cheers Gary > I've found TD mostly in the 'New Age' section, but also in 'Soundtracks', > 'Rock' and 'Techno', depending on the neighborhood... ;-) > But IMO, it is good to find them in any section. What I usually do is move > their disks or albums to the front of the bin so they are facing the > browsing shoppers... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: chris towers [mailto:cjt999fire2000@y...] > > > LOL what difference does it make which section they go > > under?? is it a problem?? whether it be R&B, Rock, New > > Age Classical or Dance music, just look under 'T' > > > > Problem Solved From: Julannparc@a... Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 7:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list 'contributions' Nice to hear it chris. Long live the Dream. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 12:17 am Subject: Liondream wrote: *****It seems the record stores don't always know where to place TD... I usually find it in New Age, sometimes also Rock, and sometimes in the Electronica/Techno sections that a lot of record stores now have.***** I have found TD even in the jazz section. The snide little salesman said defensively, 'well, that's what the ARE!' Guess he didn't know much. *****I used to have Flashpoint on lp ages ago, but have never seen a cd of it. I don't remember it anymore, I wonder if it was a mistake not to have gotten that. Hmm.***** Big mistake, go back and get it. This is one of the best soundtracks of all, placing second in my favorites only to Firestarter. The music fit the movie quite well and can make you see the action all over again. The haunting melodies can stay in your mind all day, or at least until you put another TD album on. 8-) Dell NP: Sound and Efects: TD live in NYC '91 (best House of the Rising Sun I've heard) As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28500 Re: Sound and Effects goozer@a... Wed 8/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 12:34 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TD Movies My experience of ordinary people even having a clue who TD are would be from two movies: if it is a man: Risky Business (Rebecca DeMornay, sexy!), if it is a woman: Legend (Tom Cruise, sexy!) 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'Michael A Jean' >It never ceases to amaze me that when I bring up Tangerine Dream to >ordinary >people, so many people ask 'Didn't they do the soundtrack to that horror >film, The Keep?'. It seems they would be recognized for a movie that >didn't >even last a week in the theater... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 12:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Where TD goes I know what you mean about rude sales people. I, too, was in CD Warehouse one day with my mother and my aunt; we were browsing through the area where I had finally located a TD album when this sales dude comes over and asks, 'Do you ladies want to be in the this section? this is the techno section (like we couldn't possibly be interested in anything there). Now, get this, I am wearing my Mars Polaris T-shirt and I'm holding TD in my hand. I just looked at him with ice and told him I was exactly where I wanted to be. On a bright side, though, not to knock all sales people (I mean, there's no way for them to know all the tons of albums they have in a store), I was in a store last weekend hoping to find DM3 and finding they had only Oasis. The sales guy asked if I had found everything all right and I commented they didn't have enough Tangerine Dream. His eyes lit up, saying he had about thirty albums, and he was so thrilled to be talking to another fan he almost forgot about the line behind me. I invited him to the list, so, Wes, if you're out there, welcome! 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' >What I really hate is when one of those min. wage sales folks tell me 'We >don't carry any TD here', and I find some. It is almost like they have a >badge of honor or something not carry TD. WhereHouse is bad on this in my >area. Funny thing, seems the person who tells me this in only there for 6 >months or less. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Deb H-J Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 1:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Discovering TD My first with TD was during the mid-eighties. I was driving back from a conference in Louisville, Kentucky, with a friend of mine who was playing 'Phaedra' on a cassette. We were coming down I-75 coming off Jellico Mountain in Tennessee, with fog so thick you could cut it with a knife. On all sides, we were surrounded by big, mean trucks driven by big, mean truck drivers intent on getting down the mountain faster than us. To make matters even more 'fun,' both of us were sick and feverish. Somehow, 'Phaedra' got us through this rough spot and seemed the perfect accompaniment to our delirium. Fifteen years later...I saw a copy of the CD in a used CD store, and remembering my weird adventure, I bought it. Once I listened to it, I was so intrigued that I went back and looked for more. Some lucky (or unlucky) person was unloading some of his/her TD collection, and I picked up about 10 additional CDs in the next month. My hunger unabated, I started buying new CDs and looking for information about them on the net. That's how I found you guys, and that's why I'm here...still listening and learning. Adios, Deb H-J __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 10:01 am Subject: Congrats Joe! Hey Joe -- I just *knew* that I bloody forgot something... ~lol~ 'Tadream Digest #1000!!!' May we have many more yet to come... :-))) Best Always, -- Al (Berkeley, CA) ---------------------------------------------------- NetZero Platinum Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 8:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Discovering TD It was really *refreshing* to read your posts... :-) Then I started re-reading some of my little gems bringing back so many fond TD diehard memories written in the Tadream newsgroup sometime ago. Here's a brief snippet: ********************************************************* Tadream Digest #268 (11.06.99 -- Al's birthday!) Re: D: Soundtrack [Sorcerer]. [...] ...Clearly, 'Ricky Business' is my first TD love... But 'SORCERER' was my first ever TD record (that's 'vinyl' for those of that have already forgotten). I call it the 'black gold.' To this very day I still have that gem safely locked and tucked away in my sanctimonious TD vaults, but will never play it again (it has been replaced with a perfect mint copy of its exact original). Back in those days, I was still young and carelessly eating tons of potato chips while playing the vinyl. Spinning everything I possibly could at thirty-three & one third RPMs and blasting all my records at full volume to the max! For me personally 'Sorcerer' will always be special. My dearest and oldest friend going back to the days when we were teenagers, Frank Thornally. He's the one that I talked about in my D: Live Week 36 story in the old Majordomo story and cross posted in Tadream, Berkeley TD show, 09/24/88. He was so impressed with the music flowing from this movie directed by William Friedkin (Universal - Paramount release 1977). That on his word alone -- I had to have a copy of this record! Here now are my personal TDIFC 'Collector's Corner' entries for this hauntingly mysterious and seamlessly beautiful work from 'Voices in the Dunes' (The Tangerine Dream Worldwide Discography), written by TD diehards: Rolf Sonnemann, Peter Stoeferle and Matt Hargreaves (First Edition published 1991 in the United States of America)... [...] ********************************************************* Hehehe... I went on to give all the details of my TDC for 'Sorcerer.' Well, we all know it wasn't until I eventually heard the soundtrack to 'Risky Business' that everything finally clicked! After that -- it was hopeless! Clearly, I never stopped... And, I never will... ;-) Best Always, -- Al (Berkeley, CA) PS: Let's hope that more of us shine the old TD light that burns so bright... As, we all know -- 'TD is coming to town!' :-) My TD personal homepage: http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html _______________________________________________ Deb H-J wrote: > My first with TD was during the mid-eighties. I was driving back > from a conference in Louisville,> Kentucky, with a friend of mine > who was playing 'Phaedra' on a cassette. We were coming down > I-75 coming off Jellico Mountain in Tennessee, with fog so thick > you could cut it with a knife. On all sides, we were surrounded by > big, mean trucks driven by big, mean truck drivers intent on getting > down the mountain faster than us. > > Fifteen years later...I saw a copy of the CD in a used CD store, and > remembering my weird adventure, I bought it. Once I listened to it, > I was so intrigued that I went back and looked for more. Some lucky > (or unlucky) person was unloading some of his/her TD collection, > and I picked up about 10 additional CDs in the next month. My hunger > unabated, I started buying new CDs and looking for information about > them on the net. That's how I found you guys, and that's why I'm here... > still listening and learning. > > Adios, > > Deb H-J ---------------------------------------------------- NetZero Platinum Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28503 Re: Discovering TD Joe Shoults Wed 8/15/2001 4 KB 28508 Re: Discovering TD chris towers Wed 8/15/2001 2 KB 28516 Re: Discovering TD Alan Benson Wed 8/15/2001 3 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 4:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Where TD goes At 01.08.14 12:02, Administrator for kay-net.com wrote: >What I really hate is when one of those min. wage sales folks tell me 'We >don't carry any TD here', and I find some. It is almost like they have a >badge of honor or something not carry TD. WhereHouse is bad on this in my >area. Funny thing, seems the person who tells me this in only there for 6 >months or less. Tell me about it. I gotta bunch of Gift Cards for book & music stores for my birthday (this monday) and went out to fill gaps in my TD collection and the local Wherehouse Music's *entire* in-store stock of TD consisted of a used copy of _Optical Race_! This is where I enjoy raking the clerk and/or the manager over the coals.....'How can you have the chutzpah to call yourself a music store when you don't have any of the 60-plus albums of a group that's been around for 30 years!' I had to settle for a DVD of 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail' Pete aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Andrew McKeich Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 5:27 am Subject: Digital Gothic I am a little surprised at the low esteem this book is held in. I have found it to be a great help in coming to terms with the enormous amount of CDs that TD have released over the years. During the mid to late 80s I was marketing the Private Music label in Australia (for BMG Records) and naturally became aware of TD beyond the confines of their Private Music releases. Unfortunately though, I could not find any resources, written or otherwise, that would help me explore (in relative financial safety!), this extensive catalogue. As a result, I forgot about TD until I stumbled across 'Digital Gothic' - now my collection is quite large (admittedly with a definite 70s bias!)and it's all thanks to the book. I would recommend it to any new or newish TD fans. I would be interested to know if there are any other books (in English) on the subject of TD. Andrew McKeich From: Michael Fox Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 8:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Where TD goes I used to own a 'record' store and put TD in every place I could think of. Always in the front 'suggestions' section as well. Mike From: Julannparc@a... Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 7:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Where TD goes Hello Gary. I go to quite a few concerts around the south wales,Cardiff region and people look amazed to see me in my TD t/shirts.I have been to see YES on their last 2 tours and people have approached me to ask'are they still going then' or 'i thought they had finished years ago2.Hmm it must be something to do with TD promotion in the uk. The promotion on thi uk tour 97 was bloody awful,I remember seeing a few small clippings in the daily mirror, and next to bugger all in the music press, its a crying bloody shame. Best regards Colin south wales. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28505 Re: Where TD goes Gary Jenkins Wed 8/15/2001 3 KB From: goozer@a... Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 2:00 pm Subject: RE: Sound and Effects --- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland' wrote: [snip] > NP: Sound and Efects: TD live in NYC '91 (best House of the Rising Sun I've > heard) Uhhhhh...that's actually Mark Shreeve doing his version of John Carpenter's End Theme from assault on Precinct 13. I forget what Mark called it. This was the first boot TD CD I bought...and it was very nearly the last one as it is from a *very poor* source tape, along with the aforementioned bogus track. goozer From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 2:04 pm Subject: Nord micro Thanks John, that makes sense now. I was trying to figure it out based on info from a music catalog - shouldna known better! << THANKS! Welcome! jc>>> From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 2:09 pm Subject: just look under T Not a problem, Chris, and I wasn't asking where to find TD in the store, I was relating my experience. The point of my note was the fact that you find them all over the place and to relate my experience with coming across Flashpoint in the rock section under 'F'. The message being, I guess, that if you're looking for something specific and can't find it, it might not hurt to try a few other 'unlikely' places too. << Subject: Re: Where TD goes LOL what difference does it make which section they go under?? is it a problem?? whether it be R&B, Rock, New Age Classical or Dance music, just look under 'T' Problem Solved Chris>>> From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 3:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Discovering TD It's hard to remember a lot of my college days ;-Ţ but it was then that I was introduced to TD. Of course, I remember liking the music on Risky Business, but at that time, I didn't know TD from ... Steve Reich. ;-) We had quite a few stoners at the old fraternity in those days, who would sit around and space out to Stratosfear, Rubycon, Sorceror, Tangram and Phaedra, primarily on vinyl until CDs came out, but TD blended in with George Thorogood, Pink Floyd, Van Halen and about a zillion other things at that house. I used to put on parties with laser light shows that were 'driven' by the music, and Tangram and Sorceror in particular produced some really neat effects, so they were regular in my rotation, more for their laser results than for the music. Maybe I was always too preoccupied with the party management to pay close attention to the music, but it wasn't until after the compilation called 'Dream Sequence' came out that my appreciation for TD really kicked into higher gear. After that, I would blast TD out the front of the frat house, turning heads all up and down the block. (back then you could get away with stuff like that on campus) I had a couple of Shure tower loudspeakers that I propped up on the roof, with some inline amps, so the wattage was around 300. very loud and surprisingly clear on those speakers (primarily designed for vocal-range amplification). Then, I found out THE DAY OF THE SHOW on the radio (typical bad promotion?) that they were playing in cleveland! Desperate and fearing that they were sold out, I sped to the venue (a small venue like they're playing this year, but nicer) and hooray! there were seats left. We were all the way in the back row, but every seat in this venue is nice. I had heard Underwater Sunlight, but some of the stuff was really new to me (turned out to be from Legend - love that eerie flute). > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Benson [mailto:albenson@n...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 4:53 AM > To: Tadream > Subject: Re: [tadream] Discovering TD > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Gothic From what I read and gather off this list, this book makes me want shake the author's neck a bit. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Andrew McKeich' To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 10:27 PM Subject: [tadream] Digital Gothic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28512 Re: Digital Gothic Gary Jenkins Wed 8/15/2001 3 KB 28514 Re: Digital Gothic chris towers Wed 8/15/2001 2 KB 28522 Re: Digital Gothic Armin Theissen Thu 8/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 5:23 pm Subject: Re: Where TD goes Hi Colin totally agree re TD promotion over here,very few people that I have met over the years had ever heard of them and the others like the man in our local B&Q store who saw my shirt was amazed they were still going he had got Phaedra in 73,I think he thought that was there only album. Cheers Gary > Hello Gary. > I go to quite a few concerts around the south wales,Cardiff region and people > look amazed to see me in my TD t/shirts.I have been to see YES on their last > 2 tours and people have approached me to ask'are they still going then' or 'i > thought they had finished years ago2.Hmm it must be something to do with TD > promotion in the uk. > The promotion on thi uk tour 97 was bloody awful,I remember seeing a few > small > clippings in the daily mirror, and next to bugger all in the music press, its > a crying > bloody shame. > Best regards Colin south wales. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 5:17 pm Subject: Tangerine products How many of us have seen Fruitopia's™ drink named 'Tangerine Wavelength'? I was in my local Barnes & Nobel bookstore yesterday and was availing myself of the free AOL coasters (I use them for art projects) and amongst the advert postcards was one for Santa Monica's 3rd St Promenade shopping area in a nice orange colour and had the words 'Tangerine Dreams' on them. I grabbed the whole stack. If any listizen wants one (or more) just email me OFF-List at mailto:penfold@a... to make arrangements Pete aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 5:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Gothic On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:12:06 -0700 'Administrator for kay-net.com' writes: >From what I read and gather off this list, this book makes me want >shake the author's neck a bit. Why? It seems to me that the 'I love 'em but hate 'em' approach to TD in that book is a perfect reflection of this list! Har har har. -- Steven Feldman + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: chris towers Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 6:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Discovering TD Hi Al, love your hompage, an excellent read, nice one :-) Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'simon heath' Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 5:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Where TD goes >he had got Phaedra in 73 back in the late 70's, Phaedra seemed to be in everyones record collection.Just Phaedra and a whole bunch of ordinary LPs.I always wondered why this was....had there been a big promotion of it at that time? www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28523 Re: Where TD goes Armin Theissen Thu 8/16/2001 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 6:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Gothic Note, I didn't say there wasn't other times a shaking was needed. :-) Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Gothic > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:12:06 -0700 'Administrator for kay-net.com' > writes: > > >From what I read and gather off this list, this book makes me want > >shake the author's neck a bit. > > Why? It seems to me that the 'I love 'em but hate 'em' approach > to TD in that book is a perfect reflection of this list! Har har har. > > -- Steven Feldman > From: horrod6 Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 7:32 pm Subject: Re: list contributions 'I kind of wonder what it would have been like to have this type of forurm in the 70's... 'Man, when are they going to get off that Mellotron flute sample?' ' Thanks for that 'moxica' - I really did LOL! I love the list too, it's the high point of my day (especially when it has little gems like that). Sorry if I hurt your feelings, Joe. Just remember, if I didn't care so much, I wouldn't express myself so strongly. And Chris, I was just suggesting that you should start a thread that will interest you, as you're obviously not satisfied with the current ones. I meant to encourage you to move the list in the direction you want to see it going, not discourage you from contributing. Sometimes those of us who've been on the list for a while are fresh out of ideas, and we need the 'newbies' to give us a push. LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28515 Re: list contributions chris towers Wed 8/15/2001 2 KB 28520 Re: list contributions Jim Moore Thu 8/16/2001 2 KB 28526 Re: list contributions Heiko Heerssen Thu 8/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 5:26 pm Subject: Re: Digital Gothic Yes I found certain aspects of his book annoying especially the slagging off he gave to the White Eagle Album How could he it's a classic. Cheers Gary > From what I read and gather off this list, this book makes me want shake the > author's neck a bit. > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Andrew McKeich' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 10:27 PM > Subject: [tadream] Digital Gothic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28514 Re: Digital Gothic chris towers Wed 8/15/2001 2 KB 28522 Re: Digital Gothic Armin Theissen Thu 8/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 5:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Gothic I don't hold the book in low esteem, there are just a few things about it that I find odd. I think it's worth buying just for the first chapter, and Paul Stump does provide some very nice bits of information about the band's history. As far as his critique of the music itself is concerned, I think he could be a bit more detailed and make an attempt at least to be unbiased. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Andrew McKeich' To: Sent: 15 August 2001 06:27 Subject: [tadream] Digital Gothic > I am a little surprised at the low esteem this book is held in. I have > found it to be a great help in coming to terms with the enormous amount of > CDs that TD have released over the years. During the mid to late 80s I was > marketing the Private Music label in Australia (for BMG Records) and > naturally became aware of TD beyond the confines of their Private Music > releases. Unfortunately though, I could not find any resources, written or > otherwise, that would help me explore (in relative financial safety!), this > extensive catalogue. > > As a result, I forgot about TD until I stumbled across 'Digital Gothic' - > now my collection is quite large (admittedly with a definite 70s bias!)and > it's all thanks to the book. I would recommend it to any new or newish TD > fans. > > I would be interested to know if there are any other books (in English) on > the subject of TD. > > Andrew McKeich > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: chris towers Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 7:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Digital Gothic Yeah i agree Gary, a lot of people have criticised White Eagle, saying it has no direction etc.. but its personally one of my favourites Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: chris towers Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 7:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list contributions Yeah Hi Marion, i do find some of the comments found here somewhat irritating, but im certainly not questioning anyones love for the band. As we all know we all percieve things differently. Im happy there are people like you and me and all the other people on here that Love TD. Where are you from by the way?? as one of the things about TD i dont like is the ability to see fans on an everyday basis. I mean take Oasis and all the regular music charts and yes, everyone knows what your talking about,its mainstream, but mention TD and most people look at you blank or thing your talking about a drug. Strange!!! Regards Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 8:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Discovering TD Hehehe... My old friend and TD diehard colleague, Heiko Heerssen, said to me (paraphrased): 'Just get a webpage -- put your name, add the two letters 'TD' and 'Under Construction' on it and that's enough for me to make you a member of the Yahoo ~Tangerine Dream~ webring...' It was his swift kick in the pants that got me off my arse... Well, of course I did a bit more than that. And, now that I've got one -- look forward to bringing it up to snuff with the best of them. As, I often like to say, 'You ain't heard (seen) nothing yet!' ~lol~ OK -- back to the ol' grind and way overdue TD backlog... Al's TD motto #3: 'By virtue of definition a TD diehard is always backlogged!' Best Always, -- Al My TD personal homepage: http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html PS: Just noticed the opening paste and scrap from the old Tadream Digest features 'Ricky Business!' ~lol~ Must be Joel's little unseen brother Ricky! Got a good ~ROFL~ I've must have missed that one for years... Bloody spell checkers! :-( PPS: Also, that Olle also noticed well before I did (Subject: Congrats Joe!) and wrote (Re: Warsaw Show): >> '---Btw: Digest number 1000 just received, where´s the party?---' Hope that Joe has a nice bottle of the bubbly flowing... :-))) BTW: Joe -- where *is* the party? ;-) _________________________________________ Chris kindly wrote: > Hi Al, love your hompage, an excellent read, nice one > :-) > > Chris ---------------------------------------------------- NetZero Platinum Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From: 'Scott' Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 9:01 pm Subject: Sony score (Was: Re: Nothing left to talk about!) I just finished listening to the Sony Topping Out Ceremony score and I must say I was very impressed. I hereby declare that TD's '90s malaise is over. There are some elements of Mars Polaris in it, and overall it's very atmospheric and majestic. I heartily recommend it. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28524 Re: Sony score (Was: Re: Nothing left to talk abo Heiko Heerssen Thu 8/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Scott' Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 9:15 pm Subject: Re: Discovering TD and where TD goes I discovered TD ca. 1985 while watching the Soldier on cable. I went to my local indy record store, asked his about it, and he started getting all their titles in on vinyl. Still have them all! When I was in college, I frequented a record store that had no sections. Everything was just alphabetical by artist, so Bach was in with Black Sabbath and James Taylor was next to TD. I asked one of the workers why that was and he said 'So much music just defies categorization, like Tangerine Dream. Some of their stuff is like rock, some of it's New Age, some of it's just experiemental.' Scott From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Wed Aug 15, 2001 11:14 pm Subject: Royal Festival Hall. Hi everyone, Thought I'd try and start something off for a change by way of some thoughts about Klaus Schulze at the Royal Festival Hall. I went to the concert itself in 1991 and I remember looking forward to it at the time as I hadn't seen him live since 1983. I was aware that his musical direction had changed since 'Audentity' but the only albums I'd bought since then were 'Drive Inn' - big disappointment - and 'Babel' and I wasn't sure what to expect. I came away afterwards feeling somewhat underwhelmed with the only abiding memory of the music being that of the effects at the beginning of the second half - the water, the wildlife, the orgasms - and the impression that I'd been to more of a recital than anything else. Thus, despite a friend taping 'The Dresden Performance' and 'Beyond Recall' for me and me buying 'En=Trance' I was reluctant to buy the CDs of the concert for quite a long time. Eventually I did and have persevered and I'm amazed at what I'm listening to. I must have sat in the audience with my ears shut determined not to enjoy myself!!! Both CDs showcase the KS of this period at his best, IMO. Musically I feel 'RFH 1 & 2' are superior to 'The Dresden Performance' (both live and studio segments) inasmuch as there doesn't seem to be as much looping of musical themes as in 'Dresden 1' and they are much more varied. Anyone have any thoughts? Was anyone else there? Incidentally, I haven't seen him in concert since. Tony. np: Klaus Schulze 'Ancient Ambiance' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28521 Re: Royal Festival Hall. Armin Theissen Thu 8/16/2001 4 KB 28530 Koln (was Re: Royal Festival Hall.) john@p... Thu 8/16/2001 2 KB 28527 Re: Royal Festival Hall. simon heath Thu 8/16/2001 3 KB 28538 Re: Royal Festival Hall. Matthew Stringer Thu 8/16/2001 3 KB 28539 Re: Royal Festival Hall. Kevin Robert Ball Thu 8/16/2001 4 KB 28546 Re: Royal Festival Hall. Tony Walsh Fri 8/17/2001 3 KB 28547 Re: Royal Festival Hall. Tony Walsh Fri 8/17/2001 2 KB 28550 Re: Royal Festival Hall. Synthhtnys@a... Fri 8/17/2001 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 12:40 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: list contributions From: horrod6 [mailto:horrod6@n...] >'I kind of wonder what it would have been like to have this type of >forurm in the 70's... 'Man, when are they going to get off that >Mellotron flute sample?' ' >Thanks for that 'moxica' - I really did LOL! No problem there -- hmmm... my name doesn't seem to appear when I send e-mail from my Pocket PC. Oh well. - jim From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 7:32 am Subject: Re: Royal Festival Hall. Hi, I wasn't so lucky to see Klaus live since 1983 in the Audimax (big lecture hall) of the technical university in Aachen. I got the Royal Festival Hall CDs in a 2nd hand shop in Belfast, and bought The Dome Event as well, so owning the whole trilogy. I'm still very amazed by the sound of it all. I don't know the Festival Hall but know very well the Cologne Cathedral, and I can so very well imagine those sounds in there - really fits it. In terms of sound, Klaus Schulze has not lost the talent to create new things all the time... I never get the impression that he uses presets. He must really be sitting at home like in 'the old days' and finding those crazy unconvential settings which makes the synthesizer still sound like a brand new instrument! Just like his 'shortcut of an organ' on Irrlicht. And he never ever gives up on the Mini Moog and the EMS. ;-) armin --- In tadream@y..., 'Tony Walsh' wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Thought I'd try and start something off for a change by way of some thoughts about Klaus Schulze at the Royal Festival Hall. > > I went to the concert itself in 1991 and I remember looking forward to it at the time as I hadn't seen him live since 1983. I was aware that his musical direction had changed since 'Audentity' but the only albums I'd bought since then were 'Drive Inn' - big disappointment - and 'Babel' and I wasn't sure what to expect. I came away afterwards feeling somewhat underwhelmed with the only abiding memory of the music being that of the effects at the beginning of the second half - the water, the wildlife, the orgasms - and the impression that I'd been to more of a recital than anything else. > > Thus, despite a friend taping 'The Dresden Performance' and 'Beyond Recall' for me and me buying 'En=Trance' I was reluctant to buy the CDs of the concert for quite a long time. Eventually I did and have persevered and I'm amazed at what I'm listening to. I must have sat in the audience with my ears shut determined not to enjoy myself!!! Both CDs showcase the KS of this period at his best, IMO. Musically I feel 'RFH 1 & 2' are superior to 'The Dresden Performance' (both live and studio segments) inasmuch as there doesn't seem to be as much looping of musical themes as in 'Dresden 1' and they are much more varied. > > Anyone have any thoughts? Was anyone else there? > > Incidentally, I haven't seen him in concert since. > > > Tony. > > np: Klaus Schulze 'Ancient Ambiance' > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28530 Koln (was Re: Royal Festival Hall.) john@p... Thu 8/16/2001 2 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 7:23 am Subject: Re: Digital Gothic Yes, but what was the real annoying thing about the book is that he just says it ... his personal opinion, but no reasoning from a music point of view. I mean, I was expecting some sort of music-scientific approach of an analysis. armin --- In tadream@y..., 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: > > Yes I found certain aspects of his book annoying especially the > slagging off he gave to the White Eagle Album How could he it's a > classic. > Cheers Gary > > > > > > > From what I read and gather off this list, this book makes me want > shake the > > author's neck a bit. > > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > > admin@k... > > 661-723-0266 > > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and > Knowledge. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Andrew McKeich' > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 10:27 PM > > Subject: [tadream] Digital Gothic From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 7:21 am Subject: Re: Where TD goes Probably... I heard that even Mick Jagger publicly praised Phaedra. Well, these days Edgar was not yet 30... armin --- In tadream@y..., 'simon heath' wrote: > >he had got Phaedra in 73 > > back in the late 70's, Phaedra seemed to be in everyones record > collection.Just Phaedra and a whole bunch of ordinary LPs.I always wondered > why this was....had there been a big promotion of it at that time? > www.cat.ismad.com > www.mog.ismad.com > simonheath > > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 6:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Sony score (Was: Re: Nothing left to talk about!) > I just finished listening to the Sony Topping Out Ceremony score and I must > say I was very impressed. I hereby declare that TD's '90s malaise is over. > There are some elements of Mars Polaris in it, and overall it's very > atmospheric and majestic. I heartily recommend it. You're right, the last minutes are totally awesome and have some superb sequencing. Maybe they should release more of these longer tracks, because 'Quinoa' is also one of my favourite pieces from the entire 90s. I can listen to them a couple of times in a row and I still find something new or interesting. Heiko From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 6:26 am Subject: digital gothic/slagging/thanks for the nord info... isn't the author of 'digital gothic' paul stumpf? not stump? as for slagging, while I must agree that it gets to be too much at times, I gotta ask this--I have a purported quote in print--either the LA Times or Orange County Register or perhaps the San Francisco Chronicle Pink section circa 1986 (I don't think I wrote the source--possibly wire news anyway, but I have a photocopy of the article) from Edgar Froese where he complains that when he turned over the master tapes of Legend to Universal (MCA)--they added Jon Anderson's singing. He basically says that paraphrasing here 'anyone would be upset with that'. So here is/are my question(s): Who was Edgar slagging here--Universal (MCA) and/or Jon Anderson? Thanks for the Nord Product info--now I'm no closer to making a decision. :) --T (anyone notice how the balcony of the Wiltern Theatre sways when hundreds of TOOL fans jump in unison? scarier than the show--definitely) np: Legend _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28531 Re: digital gothic/slagging/thanks for the nord i Dennis Nigbur Thu 8/16/2001 4 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 5:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list contributions > ...but mention TD and most people look at you blank or thing > your talking about a drug. Strange!!! Last weekend I met my sister-in-law for the first time since years. She is living in Berlin, and when my wife (who *hates* TD with a passion!) told her that I'm going to see Tangerine Dream performing live in Bernau this October (which is about 20 kilometres north of Berlin) she replied 'ooh, Tangerine Dream! I was at their concert in Rostock in 1982' (former German Democratic Republic) I will never forget my wife's look, she was hoping to find someone who also has her taste of music and now it turned out that my sister-in-law is not only familiar with TD, but also saw them playing live :-) Heiko From: 'simon heath' Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 4:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Royal Festival Hall. >?thoughts about Klaus Schulze at the Royal Festival Hall. I was there.Enjoyed it at the time cos I'd hated his 80's alcoholic period,so this was a bit of a return to form.I especially liked the noises he was using, eg. the one that he solos with that starts like a synth and evolves into a screaming electric guitar.I love the CDs even more than the perfmance,it was a cold audience,many left at the interval. www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath -----Original Message----- From: Tony Walsh To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 16 August 2001 00:15 Subject: [tadream] Royal Festival Hall. >Hi everyone, > >Thought I'd try and start something off for a change by way of some Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28538 Re: Royal Festival Hall. Matthew Stringer Thu 8/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 1:51 am Subject: Laser lights, speakers, list contributions and mascots Hey Joe! Sounds interesting. I wouldn't mind having something like that. Would that be something that could be found in a professional DJ equipment catalogue? If not, where or how could someone obtain something like that? ouff! 8-) Well, I have a major weakness for stereo equipment. 8-) More than four complete home sound systems and like if needed another pair of speakers last week I finally broke down and got myself a pair of klipsch speakers that I've wanted for a lot years 8-) I also wanted to add concerning the subject of 'list contributions' that despite not totally agreeing with the idea of censoring, I do feel that all of us are indebted to you for all the work that you do behind the scenes and for creating this list where we all can come to together and share our love for TD. Just wanted to say thanks and how much I appreciate your efforts, our fearless leader. 8-) Oh! I almost forgot. It's been brought to my attention that maybe we should nominate Chris as our / tadreams mascot 8-\ [Frank's usual smart ass smirk 8-)] Have a good one, it's all... good 8-) You still out there Beerhammer? 8-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28534 Re: Laser lights, speakers, list contributions an chris towers Thu 8/16/2001 2 KB 28535 Re: Laser lights, speakers, list contributions an chris towers Thu 8/16/2001 2 KB 28555 Re: Laser lights, speakers, list contributions an Frank Arellano Fri 8/17/2001 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 1:09 pm Subject: D:Boot [my Top 10 list] 1.) Croydon Fairfield Hall 23.10.1975...because 'Ricochet' is and always will be my favourite TD album, and this is the most inspired live music I've ever heard, it leaves me speechless each time I hear it. 2.) Nottingham Albert Hall 08.11.1976 ('Me-rad') 3.) Berlin Philharmonie 27.06.1976 4.) Brussels L'Ancienne Belgique 16.11.1976 ...because I just can't get enough of Chris Franke's sequencer lines and the way it all fits together with what Edgar and Peter were playing . If someone would ask me why I listen to electronic music, well..just play 'Me-rad' and they know what it's all about. Those recordings really do seperate the men from the boys ~lol~ 5.) Berlin Nationalgalerie 13.10.1974 'Conversation' ...because this is total electronic music, and at the same time bizarre and beautiful. I can't think of any other band or musician who was playing that kind of music back in 1974 (except maybe for Klaus Schulze) For me it's almost on par with the 'Phaedra' title track. 6.) Berlin Palast der Republik 31.01.1980 ...because I'm also a big fan of the 'Schmoelling years' and the concert is full of exciting sounds and melodies and was a big step forward into a new TD era. 7.) Toronto Massey Hall 21.06.1986 ...because I absolutely love the laid-back & peaceful parts of the show, it all flows along gently and the title 'Underwater sunlight' somehow is a perfect description of the music. 8.) Dublin National Stadium 01.11.1980 ...because Johannes takes the audience by storm with his fantastic piano & keyboard improvisations. I'll raise my pint of Guinness (if I would have one ~lol~) 9.) Birmingham Town Hall 12.10.1975 1st set ...because it sounds like a perfect mix of 'Atem' and 'Epsilon in Malaysian pale'. And the last 17 minutes is a fantastic sequencer track, and the way Chris Franke brings this track to a finish is just beyond words, I get goosebumps all over each time I hear this. 10.) extracts of live shows from 1976...because it's the *golden* TD year :-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28537 Re: D:Boot [my Top 10 list] moxica@m... Thu 8/16/2001 2 KB 28540 Re: D:Boot [my Top 10 list] Steve Thu 8/16/2001 3 KB 28541 Re: D:Boot [my Top 10 list] Julannparc@a... Thu 8/16/2001 2 KB 28548 Re: D:Boot [my Top 10 list] Marcel Engels Fri 8/17/2001 2 KB 28552 Re: D:Boot [my Top 10 list] Armin Theissen Fri 8/17/2001 2 KB From: john@p... Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 1:14 pm Subject: Koln (was Re: Royal Festival Hall.) --- In tadream@y..., 'Armin Theissen' wrote: > I don't know the > Festival Hall but know very well the Cologne Cathedral, and I can > so very well imagine those sounds in there - really fits it. Sorry to ruin the picture, but it took place in the open air, with the Dom behind it. Still very atmospheric, and a huge audience - the square was absolutely crammed. I have some photos....somewhere. Best KS gig, though, was in 83 at the Manchester Hacienda if only because the audience was so small (maybe 50 people tops, plus the usual - somewhat confused - crowd of New Order fans). The real fans stood right up against the tiny stage for the entire set, so I was able to watch Klaus from about 5 feet. It was worth having to spend the night sleeping on a frozen station... I hadn't realised it was a nightclub gig and it started after our last train had gone. jc From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 2:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] digital gothic/slagging/thanks for the nord info... He he...I always thought that Jon Anderson's singing sounds very out of place on this track...especially the awfully cheesy last verse with its badly-acted dramatic climax. Brian Ferry's contribution seemed a lot more coherent and actually disturbed me surprisingly little. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: ; Sent: 16 August 2001 07:26 Subject: [tadream] digital gothic/slagging/thanks for the nord info... > isn't the author of 'digital gothic' paul stumpf? not stump? > > as for slagging, while I must agree that it gets to be too much at times, I > gotta ask this--I have a purported quote in print--either the LA Times or > Orange County Register or perhaps the San Francisco Chronicle Pink section > circa 1986 (I don't think I wrote the source--possibly wire news anyway, but > I have a photocopy of the article) from Edgar Froese where he complains that > when he turned over the master tapes of Legend to Universal (MCA)--they > added Jon Anderson's singing. He basically says that paraphrasing here > 'anyone would be upset with that'. So here is/are my question(s): > > Who was Edgar slagging here--Universal (MCA) and/or Jon Anderson? > > Thanks for the Nord Product info--now I'm no closer to making a decision. > :) > > --T (anyone notice how the balcony of the Wiltern Theatre sways when > hundreds of TOOL fans jump in unison? scarier than the show--definitely) > > np: Legend > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 2:44 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Laser lights, speakers, list contributions and mascots > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...] > > > Sounds interesting. I wouldn't mind having something like > that. Would that > be something that could be found in a professional DJ > equipment catalogue? > If not, where or how could someone obtain something like that? It's really nothing sophisticated...really. I used to check out lasers from the college Physics Lab (this was way before you could buy laser pointers for $2.99 at the corner gas station). Also, it may sound strange now that everybody has seen the movie 'Terminator', but most people just didn't know what laser light looked like since they were kinda rare (and expensive), or at least didn't expect to see them outside of a bona fide laserium. We had a lot of fun with that thing - like one time this drunk was walking down our street: it was winter, lots of snow on the ground, so the laser shone brightly, this drunk guy didn't know what the hell the laser was or where it was coming from, and *followed* it on the ground as I led him around in circles (BTW, cats will go crazy and chase a laser until they puke from exhaustion. Try this at home, kids!). When I moved it up to his chest, he panicked, trying to brush it off his chest like it was an insect or something (LOL). anyway, the light show: All I did was take a wooden embroidery ring and tighten some cellophane into it. then I glued a small (1 cm) chip of broken mirror to the center (you can get mirror with reflective silverside backing so you don't have to shine the laser thru the mirror glass). Voila! portable laser show! Just place it in front of a speaker and reflect the laser on it so that the music vibrations make the light show. there are some factors to consider, like the shape of the mirror and the tension of the cellophane - and of course the music must have enough bass to move the cellophane and long smooth bass tones make interesting designs. (Pink Floyd - The Wall is good for that).. i did try gluing the mirror directly to the center of the speaker cone, and placed a crossover filter so it didn't get too loud, and that worked OK, but using the cellophane membrane (also got good results from a mylar sheet) works best. Want to get more serious than that? some buddies of mine here in Cleveland are WORLD famous for laser shows: www.centrak.com and yes, they can design a system just for you. > for TD. Just wanted to say thanks and how much I appreciate > your efforts, no, thank YOU (doing my best Alvin Chipmunk impression) ;-) From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 3:58 pm Subject: OT Re: [tadream] Re: [Was list contributions] Hi Heiko, < my wife who hates TD with a passion! > Besides different tastes in music, could it be that she hates to compete against TD for your time and could it also be that TD has/had costed her a house too 8-). I've come to learn recently that women hate the competition! Might have to find me another one who doesn't mind playing second synth to my music 8-D Now playing Frank Van Bogaert's ' Colours' CD. Very nice, this man is very talented! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: list contributions > > ...but mention TD and most people look at you blank or thing > > your talking about a drug. Strange!!! > > Last weekend I met my sister-in-law for the first time since years. She is living in Berlin, and when my wife (who *hates* TD > with a passion!) told her that I'm going to see Tangerine Dream performing live in Bernau this October (which is about 20 > kilometres north of Berlin) she replied 'ooh, Tangerine Dream! I was at their concert in Rostock in 1982' (former German > Democratic Republic) I will never forget my wife's look, she was hoping to find someone who also has her taste of music and now > it turned out that my sister-in-law is not only familiar with TD, but also saw them playing live :-) > > Heiko > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: chris towers Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 4:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Laser lights, speakers, list contributions and mascots Me a macot LOL, mmmm i dunno about that, i just say it how i see it thats all..... Regards Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28535 Re: Laser lights, speakers, list contributions an chris towers Thu 8/16/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Laser lights, speakers, list contributions and mascots Though i guess i should be able to spell it correctly first, definetaly not the right man for the job :-) Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 5:22 pm Subject: Jon Anderson and Brian Ferry on the LEGEND soundtrack On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:05:31 +0100 'Dennis Nigbur' writes: > He he...I always thought that Jon Anderson's singing sounds very out > of place on this track...especially the awfully cheesy last verse > with its badly-acted dramatic climax. Brian Ferry's contribution > seemed a lot more coherent and actually disturbed me surprisingly > little. That's for three reasons: o 'Is Your Love Strong Enough' is a good song o it is done entirely by Ferry, with no TD involvement whatsoever o it is closer to being a Roxy Music song than a Ferry solo piece I am a longtime Roxy Music fan, in case it wasn't obvious. :) > Dennis -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'David Bowie told me Brian Eno gave him a record of I Feel Love and said 'David . . . I heard the future!'' -- Giorgio Moroder, on the UK Channel 4 television special, 'The UK's Greatest #1 Singles,' on January 6, 2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: moxica@m... Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 5:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Boot [my Top 10 list] ----Original Message----- >From: Heiko Heerssen >6.) Berlin Palast der Republik 31.01.1980 >...because I'm also a big fan of the 'Schmoelling years' and the concert >is full of exciting sounds and melodies and was a big step forward into >a new TD era. It also marked the end of TD's improvisational period. After that, the concerts followed a very tight and structured formula. All in all, a very unique concert in almost all respects. - jim From: Matthew Stringer Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Royal Festival Hall. On Thursday 16 August 2001 5:22 am, you wrote: > >?thoughts about Klaus Schulze at the Royal Festival Hall. > I didn't see the gig, but this was the first album I KS heard. About 8 years ago, I was in HMV and had just bought a CD Walkman and was looking for a new CD to play on it, for the bus ride home. I saw RFH 1&2 and as I had Electronic Meditation and knew who KS was I decided to buy them. All I can say was wow! The production, the mood, the sounds, the strangeness! One of my favorite albums! I bought many more including 8 Dark Side of the Moog's, all very good. I'd love to see him live in the UK again. Matt From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 6:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Royal Festival Hall. Tony, Following our last interaction I don't think you'll be surprised to know that I too was at this concert. I also echo your thoughts. The concert was OK'ish but the two CD's are very, very good. In the foyer of the hall I bought 'Beyond Recall' and find this an excellent spin also. Strange then that although I seem to like ALL of the Shulze albums that I have (including the Richard Wahnfried ones) I've never been a big fan of the man and in all honestly I don't own that many recordings! Kevin. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Walsh [mailto:tony.walsh@c...] Sent: 16 August 2001 00:15 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Royal Festival Hall. Hi everyone, Thought I'd try and start something off for a change by way of some thoughts about Klaus Schulze at the Royal Festival Hall. I went to the concert itself in 1991 and I remember looking forward to it at the time as I hadn't seen him live since 1983. I was aware that his musical direction had changed since 'Audentity' but the only albums I'd bought since then were 'Drive Inn' - big disappointment - and 'Babel' and I wasn't sure what to expect. I came away afterwards feeling somewhat underwhelmed with the only abiding memory of the music being that of the effects at the beginning of the second half - the water, the wildlife, the orgasms - and the impression that I'd been to more of a recital than anything else. Thus, despite a friend taping 'The Dresden Performance' and 'Beyond Recall' for me and me buying 'En=Trance' I was reluctant to buy the CDs of the concert for quite a long time. Eventually I did and have persevered and I'm amazed at what I'm listening to. I must have sat in the audience with my ears shut determined not to enjoy myself!!! Both CDs showcase the KS of this period at his best, IMO. Musically I feel 'RFH 1 & 2' are superior to 'The Dresden Performance' (both live and studio segments) inasmuch as there doesn't seem to be as much looping of musical themes as in 'Dresden 1' and they are much more varied. Anyone have any thoughts? Was anyone else there? Incidentally, I haven't seen him in concert since. Tony. From: 'Steve' Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 6:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Boot [my Top 10 list] Heiko said: > 1.) Croydon Fairfield Hall 23.10.1975...because 'Ricochet' is and always > will be my favourite TD album, and this is the most inspired live music > I've ever heard, it leaves me speechless each time I hear it. Thanks for sending me off to listen to that one :) > 3.) Berlin Philharmonie 27.06.1976 I love this one, in both incarnations. I heard Soundmill first and there's a moment about sixteen minutes in that is so achingly beautiful I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Usually I just sit there with my jaw dropped! The corresponding point in the untangentised version has the same effect on me. Soundmill is one of the very few tangentised tracks that really works for me. Maybe it'll get re-issued with the original concert version as track two... > 6.) Berlin Palast der Republik 31.01.1980 Pergamon was for a long time my favourite of the live albums and it was White Cloths 1 that set me off exploring the boots earlier this year. I've got such a backlog of listening! > 9.) Birmingham Town Hall 12.10.1975 1st set > ...because it sounds like a perfect mix of 'Atem' and 'Epsilon in > Malaysian pale'. Next on my playlist :) Steve www.craftman.co.uk www.rotties-r-us.co.uk From: Julannparc@a... Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 7:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Boot [my Top 10 list] Royal albert hall 2,4,75.The greatest of all time,Hoenig or not.Truly massive. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28548 Re: D:Boot [my Top 10 list] Marcel Engels Fri 8/17/2001 2 KB From: horrod6 Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 7:21 pm Subject: Re: all sorts Hi Chris, well, I now live in Edinburgh (Scotland), but I was born in Birmingham (England) of Welsh parents. Like you, I was delighted to find somewhere I could find out more about TD and talk to other people who love the band. I do know one or two other people who are long-standing fans, and I do my best to convert anyone who will listen - my most spectacular success being my second husband, who used to be a country and western fan! He actually asked if we could go to the SBE concert, as it was on his birthday, so I reckon he's well and truly converted. I also know several people who have heard of them but were very surprised to find they were still going, or assume that everything they do will be like the stuff from the seventies (which is my favourite era). To chime in with one of the current threads, I will re-tell the story of how I first got into TD. In the mid-seventies when I was about twenty, my fiance and I used to share a flat with another couple. As one did at that age in that period, we used to sit around smoking dope and discussing life the universe and everything a lot. We found that the TD albums owned by the the male half of the other couple went very well with these activities, and I grew to really like them. Our ways parted, I married and separated from my fiance, and found myself in the early eighties sharing a house with another bunch of dope-heads, and rediscovering myself. My first major purchase was a good stereo system. Near where I lived was a strange place, a combined bookshop / cafe / chess club / boutique and record shop. I used to go in and make a cup of coffee last an hour and make and meet friends, and buy unusual clothes as part of the reinvention of myself. Exploring the records one day I found some TD. I thought this would go very nicely with the new me, and bought the ones I recognised (Phaedra and Rubycon). I fell in love with the music all over again, and gradually bought everything they had. And I haven't really stopped since, apart from a guiet patch in the late eighties / early nineties when I was skint! Part of my personal rediscovery was to go to university as a mature student (to study physics). I put an ad. in the daily free-sheet, looking for other TD fans. I think I got about three answers, all from guys who were surprised to find a) that there was ANYbody else on campus who'd even heard of TD and b) that I was female. But that led to some good friendships, and much swapping of tapes and 'have you heard this one?' evenings. Through this list, I've started to discover other e-musicians like our very own Marcel Engels (Free System Projekt) and Airsculpture, and others like Tranquillity and Pyramid Peak. My e-music collection is expanding to take over the entire CD rack! I travelled to America for the first time last year to go to the Okefenokee event: I doubt if I'd have made the trip alone if I hadn't known there'd be friends at the other end - people I knew through this list. And I'm still friends with the guy who first introduced me to them all those years ago. So I guess I have a lot to thank TD for: they're an essential part of who I am. They keep me sane. They're like Mars bars - they help me work, rest and play! LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28776 all sorts David Foster Sat 8/25/2001 2 KB 28823 Re: all sorts horrod6 Tue 8/28/2001 2 KB 28830 Re: all sorts Miguel Farah F. Wed 8/29/2001 2 KB 28839 Re: all sorts Frank Arellano Wed 8/29/2001 3 KB From: baG Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 8:21 pm Subject: Meeting in Warsaw Hello Dreamers, In the connection with Tangerine Dream's Warsaw Concert I want to propose you a meeting before and after the performance. We choose to meet in Irish Pub at Miodowa 3 about 5.30 pm. From this place we can walk to Swietokrzyski Bridge, it's 20 minutes far away from pub. You can take a look at photos of Irish Pub here: http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/Page10084/page100842.html If you have any questions feel free to contact me offlist or by icq. regards from Poland -- baG http://tadream.ac.pl/ icq.uin:____119764034 pgp.key.id:0x26CD289D Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28868 Re: Meeting in Warsaw olle.rundgren@s... Thu 8/30/2001 2 KB From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 8:25 pm Subject: (tadream) all sorts In about 1974 / 1975 I saw TD performing one of their concerts on TV with lots of TV graphics. I was about 13 at the time. There were lots of swirling graphics, cathedral like scenes, light and unusual music. At the time I didn't really appreciate the music but the ideas stood out. I come from a line of artists and the mixing of visuals and what seemed like new music is just the sort of thing that appealed to me. As a family we had a lot of art projects going on and music. I was a flute player in a local orchestra and keyboard player at home. Luckily the conductor was pretty open to other music. (Thanks, Greg) So I was taking in things. I carried on listening to ELP, Patti Smith, T-Rex, Kiss, Van Der Graaf Generator and didn't come across TD again for a little while. Then about 1978 I was going on 16 when someone at school mentioned that TD were playing the Liverpool Empire. I didn't really connect that it was the same band. I went to the show on my own with tape machine. Basically it was my first big show and I hadn't got a clue what was going to happen. Klaus Krieger slowly built up cymbals and drum ryhthms. There was a lot of dry ice and those lasers. People around me smoking dope. Chris Franke with more keyboards than a piano shop. Then I recognised it as the same band. And Steve Jolliffe playing electric flute and vocoder. Improvisations of Cyclone. That show is what its all about for me and why Cyclone is so important. Overnight I rebelled against art. I grew my hair long and just looked like Chris Franke at school. Greg had synths at the art centre. I got into synths. Managed to get a small Moog, played with an Arp, was it a 2001?. Later acquired an Arp Axe which I still have. My mates got to hear the tape and got into the music too. We became anti guitar. Led Zep were going out. Punk was coming in. Things got violent at school. Us long-haired people had to go round in packs for protection. The thing is we weren't into heavy type music, we had gone into electronic. Suddenly classical music was so restrictive, I turned my back on the orchestra and brass band and played with friends. We improvised. I was on the left side of the stage, seated on top of bass amps, going slowly deaf. The drummer got replaced by my drum machine. Remember KS Mirage. We did some stencils of that all over the place. I slowly went in the direction of new romantic with female singers with synths. This is just before the Human League. People fell out, band broke up. I got out of playing music before analogue turned to digital. But I'm back into art. I continued to follow TD through their various phases. I used to see the band a couple of times on their tours. Probably seen them about 20 times since then. Along the way I erased most of the 1978 tape. That is one of my regrets but I got copies of the concert. The sound isn't so good but the memory is. I traded with people and bult up a collection of live tapes. Interesting to see some of those people from the 80's on this list. I still like most of the group's stuff. But mostly the live stuff. The other day my wife said I go through phases. I reminded her that my love of electronic music was from 1978 to the present date........hardly a phase. So TD keep on playing. I still like to hear it. Now I get to play TD and other electronic music all day at work. Brilliant. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28554 Re: (tadream) all sorts Steve Fri 8/17/2001 3 KB From: ampmusic Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 11:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Early TD David Foster wrote: > In about 1974 / 1975 I saw TD performing one of their concerts on TV with lots of TV graphics. I was about 13 at the time. There were lots of swirling graphics, cathedral like scenes, light and unusual music. At the time I didn't really appreciate the music but the ideas stood out. This was Tony Palmer's TV film from the Coventry Cathedral 1975 concert.But for one reason or another they had wiped the music off completely and just dubbed on one and a half sides of 'Ricochet', which was the current album at the time of airing. It was already very difficult for non-electronic musicians to appreciate what was going on with all those banks of synthesizers and sequencers on stage. But the result of this soundtrack change was that the (slight) movements of the musicians on stage now made no sense at all in connection with the music. While very fast sequences were playing, E C & P's hands were moving gently over the keyboards. Loud noises occurred with no-one apparently doing anything, etc. etc. I have always thought that this transmission was the source of a lot of criticism that synth music was all to do with twiddling knobs and very little real playing, and to be fair, that's the impression it gave. But if you turn the TV sound down and play a tape of the real Coventry concert, it all begins to make sense. Even the music is not exactly synchronised, all the hand movements begin to come into time, the visuals begin to lock up and it's a completely different experience. There was a lot of talk at the time that the original soundtrack tape had been stolen. But the truth, let's face it, was that the cathedral concerts developed very slowly, would have required a lot of editing to knock them into a more TV-friendly format, and would have been a bit too demanding to transmit as far as the general public were concerned. Even the Ricochet music used must have seemed very strange; the bizarre thing, of course, is that Ricochet Side 2 had needed almost no editing at all, and is more or less as performed on stage in Croydon. TD had a deal with EMS and some of the visuals for the Coventry film were made with the EMS Spectron video synthesizer, of which only a handful were made. The rest comprised the usual 70's TV vocabulary of negative images, mirror images and so on. Somewhere, Tony Palmer or the BBC must have the original video with the original sound on it. Now that would be fun :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28558 Re: Early TD David Foster Fri 8/17/2001 2 KB From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 11:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Royal Festival Hall. Hi Kevin, I don't have a huge number of his albums finding that they take time to grow on me to a greater or lesser extent. Those that were more of an instant hit were 'Moondawn', 'Trancefer', 'Audentity', 'Dzeikuje Poland' whereas those that took time, including a lengthy break in some cases, were 'Dune', 'En=Trance', 'The Dresden Performance', 'Beyond Recall', 'Royal Festival Hall volumes 1 & 2'. There are two that I don't enjoy, 'Drive Inn' and 'Babel' and one that I'm still working on, 'In Blue' - it's a bit monumental in scope and too damned quiet in the mix. I bellieve 'Black Dance' is supposed to be very good, tho' I've never heard it. Tony. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Robert Ball To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 7:17 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Royal Festival Hall. > Tony, > > Following our last interaction I don't think you'll be surprised to know > that I too was at this concert. I also echo your thoughts. The concert was > OK'ish but the two CD's are very, very good. > > In the foyer of the hall I bought 'Beyond Recall' and find this an excellent > spin also. > > Strange then that although I seem to like ALL of the Shulze albums that I > have (including the Richard Wahnfried ones) I've never been a big fan of the > man and in all honestly I don't own that many recordings! > > Kevin. From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 11:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Royal Festival Hall. You and me both! He played a date in London about the time of the release of 'Trancefer' (one of my all time favourites) and guess who missed it? I still wish I'd been there. Tony. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Stringer To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Royal Festival Hall. > I'd love to see him live in the UK again. > > Matt > From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 10:05 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Boot [my Top 10 list] > From: Julannparc@a... [mailto:Julannparc@a...] > > Royal albert hall 2,4,75.The greatest of all time,Hoenig or > not.Truly massive. I have to agree with you on that. The atmosphere is amazing! Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Coral Rumsey' Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 10:19 pm Subject: KS live Tony (?) was talking about Klaus Schulze's late 80's/early 90s, particularly the 2 'Royal Fest Hall' discs. By strange coincidence I've only just this week got them, and was taken aback at the sexy noises on 'Anciant (sic) Ambiance' first time through - most jarring & distracting. Second time they'd lost some of the charge, turning into semi-abstracted vocal sounds. Some nice grand spacious music, but the percussion parts are too busy & fussy in places. That Virgin-Venture period seems to account for most of what I come across of KS in the high street. Was 'Miditerranean Pads' released in the UK? Simon Fay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28557 Re: KS live simon heath Fri 8/17/2001 2 KB 28561 Re: KS live Tony Walsh Fri 8/17/2001 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Aug 17, 2001 3:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Royal Festival Hall. Hey Tony, I have to recommend Mirage, X, Timewind, Picture Music, Body Love 1 & 2, as essential KS... Poly From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Fri Aug 17, 2001 6:23 am Subject: D: Boot [my Top 10 list] Hehehe... Heiko that's a great live concert list! I remember once when I was over at Bruce's place... We had his vintage Technics Reel to Reel all setup (one of the most sought after RX audiophile models), and we were taping directly from his master the show from Nottingham, UK (Albert Hall) 08.11.76 right to the legendary Nakamichi Dragon. As, this time we were taping uncut to Sides A/B of the Maxell XL-IIS chrome cassette (so that I wouldn't have to suffer a break of the compositions on the cassette). One word surely suffices here: WoW! ~lol~ In fact to give it life I simply named Composition #1 as 'Scale Deluxe.' Seems to fit so (insert expletive) perfectly... :-) Anyway, I've heard them all and what can I say? Except: 'It's in my top ten, of course you must understand that I already have one-hundred such TD selections in my top TEN!' ;-) Thanks for reaffirming that this *must* be my TD motto #2! Best Always, -- Al (Berkeley, CA) My TD personal homepage: http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html [Pound for pound -- TD ~live~ in 1976 is simply unbeatable!] Or, the TD diehard alternative version: [Al calls Bruce... First thing that Bruce says: 'OK -- cut the crap -- what's he got in '76?'] ;-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:34 am Subject: Re: D:Boot [my Top 10 list] TD played in Dublin? Geez, nobody knows them here today, and its hard to find a CD in the shops (though I found the 4Vinyl 70-80 plus booklet in a 2nd hand store). Yes, I live in Dublin. Its nice when you're a tourist, but its hell to live here, actually... a. > > 8.) Dublin National Stadium 01.11.1980 > ...because Johannes takes the audience by storm with his fantastic piano > & keyboard improvisations. I'll raise my pint of Guinness (if I would > have one ~lol~) > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Aug 17, 2001 9:41 am Subject: Who do you love > Hi Heiko, > < my wife who hates TD with a passion! > > > Besides different tastes in music, could it be that she hates to compete > against TD for your time and could it also be that TD has/had costed her a > house too ~lol~. Frank, it seems you hit the nail here...I still remember my wife saying something like 'who do you love...TD or me?!' well, we're still married so I guess I gave her the right answer ;-) Heiko From: 'Steve' Date: Thu Aug 16, 2001 10:09 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] (tadream) all sorts David said: > T-Rex...Van Der Graaf Generator Heh! I thought I was the only one on the T Rex/VDGG/TD axis! I first heard of TD when Phaedra was first released. I was intrigued by the press adverts with the melting record (which was later exposed as King Crimson's Islands!) and asked to hear some of Phaedra in the record store. The first TD I heard was Mysterious Semblance. I bought the record... I got Aqua and Epsilon as soon as they came out but not Rubycon. I just couldn't take to it. I sat back with Phaedra, Aqua and Epsilon and dismissed TD as 'just one of those things' until the early eighties. I was listening to a Depeche Mode b-side and was asked if it was TD. Made me curious, so I backtracked and caught up on what I'd missed... Steve www.craftman.co.uk www.rotties-r-us.co.uk From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Aug 17, 2001 4:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Laser lights, speakers, list contributions and mascots Chris, You might want to look up too. 8-D Have you ever thought about applying at TDI, you'd fit right in 8-D Now playing Wavestar's 'Zenith' CD, nice! Especially track eight, woah! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'chris towers' To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Laser lights, speakers, list contributions and mascots > Though i guess i should be able to spell it correctly > first, definetaly not the right man for the job :-) > > Chris > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Aug 17, 2001 5:23 pm Subject: Depeche Mode I've heard the Depeche Mode reference so many times that I really must try them out. I know this has been cover once before, but where should I start? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28559 Re: Depeche Mode Julannparc@a... Fri 8/17/2001 2 KB 28562 Re: Depeche Mode Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chal Sat 8/18/2001 2 KB 28563 Re: Depeche Mode Steve Sat 8/18/2001 3 KB 28567 Re: Depeche Mode quarlie@a... Sun 8/19/2001 2 KB 28642 Re: Depeche Mode gyedid@p... Wed 8/22/2001 3 KB 28576 Re: Depeche Mode GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Mon 8/20/2001 2 KB From: 'simon heath' Date: Fri Aug 17, 2001 5:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] KS live >Simon Fay > > Was 'Miditerranean Pads' released in the UK? must have been, I got it right here (on vinyl) But not my favourite, too dull. www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath > From: 'David Foster' Date: Fri Aug 17, 2001 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Early TD Ampmusic wrote ' This was Tony Palmer's TV film from the Coventry Cathedral 1975 concert.But for one reason or another they had wiped the music off completely and just dubbed on one and a half sides of 'Ricochet', which was the current album at the time of airing.' Thanks for the details. It's great to learn more about that film, I saw once, long ago. David From: Julannparc@a... Date: Fri Aug 17, 2001 6:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Depeche Mode Frank,Try songs of faith and devotion.Its an absolute classic. Best regards Colin South wales. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Fri Aug 17, 2001 9:27 pm Subject: Essential KS (Was Royal Festival Hall.) Thanks, I've got some of these on my wish list already but I'll happily add the others. Problem is these days that his albums are so hard to find in this part of London/Essex. We have two mainstream outlets in Ilford, W H Smith and V Shop - other UK listizens can tell you how c**p they are when your taste in music strays from the corporate music norm, tho' to be fair music is not their core business. Romford actually has a branch of Virgin and HMV but there isn't a KS album to be found in store on any given day. I actually ordered a copy of TD's 'Valentine Wheels' from HMV (OK, I was at the gig and the shop didn't have a copy) and was told I'd have it in a week. I went back a week later and the CD was a no show. It took three months in the end.... Depairingly, Tony. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Royal Festival Hall. > Hey Tony, > I have to recommend Mirage, X, Timewind, Picture Music, Body Love 1 & 2, > as essential KS... > Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28570 Re: Essential KS (Was Royal Festival Hall.) simon heath Sun 8/19/2001 3 KB From: 'Tony Walsh' Date: Fri Aug 17, 2001 9:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] KS live Hi Simon, This is exactly what I have been talking about. It took some time and a lengthy break for this music to begin to sing to me so that now I wish I'd paid more attention at the concert. T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Coral Rumsey To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:19 PM Subject: [tadream] KS live > Tony (?) was talking about Klaus Schulze's late 80's/early 90s, particularly the 2 'Royal Fest Hall' discs. > > By strange coincidence I've only just this week got them, and was taken aback at the sexy noises on 'Anciant (sic) Ambiance' first time through - most jarring & distracting. Second time they'd lost some of the charge, turning into semi-abstracted vocal sounds. Some nice grand spacious music, but the percussion parts are too busy & fussy in places. That Virgin-Venture period seems to account for most of what I come across of KS in the high street. Was 'Miditerranean Pads' released in the UK? > > Simon Fay From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Fri Aug 17, 2001 8:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Depeche Mode > I've heard the Depeche Mode reference so many times that I really must try > them out. I know this has been cover once before, but where should I start? Violator. It is easily their most popular and most fans consider it their best, and I concur, even though I usually vote against the masses, just to be a non-conformist. -- Face down in the lap of luxury, and nowhere to GO but DOWN... :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: 'Steve' Date: Fri Aug 17, 2001 10:49 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Depeche Mode Frank said: > I've heard the Depeche Mode reference so many times that I really must try > them out. I know this has been cover once before, but where > should I start? Personally I think that Some Great Reward and Violator are their most accessible releases with Black Celebration a close third. From Songs of Faith and Devotion onward DM and I started parting company - I haven't heard their latest. Individual tracks to look out for: Enjoy the Silence (Quad Final Mix) It's Called a Heart (Emotion Mix) Shake the Disease Policy of Truth (Pavlov's Dub) World in my Eyes (Dub in my Eyes) Get the Balance Right (Combination Mix) Everything Counts (Simenon/Saunders Mix) Are People People? Steve www.craftman.co.uk www.rotties-r-us.co.uk From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:07 am Subject: New Auction hi everyone i have decided to let my singles collection go as i am only going to concentrate only on compact discs from now on. my items are listed here www.tadream.co.uk just click on the auction button. the auction ends 8pm British Summer time Friday 24th August i check my emails every day so the listing will be updated daily. lets have a bit more interest than my first auction :-) happy bidding Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 From: RJF Date: Sun Aug 19, 2001 7:45 am Subject: Web based radio stations playing TD plus others I don't know if many of you know, but there are a couple of Internet stations playing electronic music, with large doses of TD. I'm listening to the complete 'Mojave plan'. It is broadcast on the msn music network: http://www.windowsmedia.com/radiotuner/default.asp? I did a search on Tangerine Dream, and selected a station playing music 'like' Poland. Very enjoyable!! -- RJF Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28591 Re: Web based radio stations playing TD plus othe chris towers Tue 8/21/2001 2 KB 28592 Deleted Items chris towers Tue 8/21/2001 2 KB From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Aug 18, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: (all sorts) K S Live I first heard of Klaus Schulze from the early TD records and the fanzine Faceout. I think I had all of the issues until Chris Furze went on to other things. I read about Schulze before I heard his stuff. His records used to be in the same section as TD. He had done a few even then. So I wanted to hear more stuff and bought Picturemusic. My friend and I listened. It was confidently different to anything else at the time. So we arranged to buy different records to hear them. I had Moondawn, Blackdance, Irrlicht, BodyLove 1. He got Timewind, BodyLove 2 and X. X was something special. At the time we thought he was the greatest and most inventive keyboard player ever. So we both bought X and Mirage. Dune came out. I didn't really take to it to begin with. I play it now. Audentity came out. I got the single version. Friend got the double. I think the double is better. Then Live. In 1983 I read in Sounds newspaper that Schulze was playing 4 dates in UK. We were now students in different cities and it was coming up to serious exam time. I got tickets. We did revision on the train to see KS in Coventry Cathedral, expecting it to be like Moondawn, analogue. The train was late and we had 30 minutes to find a place to stay and find the concert. Luckily a policeman we asked recommended a place we could stay. We dropped all our stuff off and rushed to the Cathedral. There were lots and lots of long haired people all dressed in black. The show started and KS and Rainer Bloss were playing at about floor level with digital gear and computer screens. This was a shock because up until now other people had been using analogue. The show started in the dark. The lighting was mostly white. It shone on a mirror ball that was low to the ground and strobed white light all over the cathedral. As you may have read before, the concert took place during a thunder storm. Behind us the front of the cathedral is modern and mostly made of glass. You could see the lightning going on, during the show. Occasionally the thunder would join in. KS and RB played early versions of what became Poland 83, audentity and Ludwig from X. The sound systen was basically just 2 speakers. They were so big and long range you could have parked a car in them. The sound mix was pretty good. At the end of the show fans just walked to the dressing room under the cathedral. KS welcomed everyone. He was having a good time. Cigar in one hand and near empty whisky bottle in the other. RB sat behind a grand piano at the other end of the room and didn't really join in. It was like KS was giving interviews to anyone who wanted them. He was really friendly and autographed my ticket. After that I collected KS live tapes. Although bad quality one that really sticks out for inventiveness is the Forest National. Was that a 1980 tape?.....with Manuel G, or some other guitartist. After that I bought Dig It. Great, metallic sounding stuff. Then Trancefer....one of my favourites. KS was changing. I got Angst and Drive Inn but things on IC were getting to be a bit standard. I didn't buy everything. Then in 1996 I read he was going to tour. We went to see him again. This time the audience was older and were taking their kids. KS starts off by saying to the audience words like 'I hope you enjoy me'. We did. The sound quality was really good. The music crisp. Okay Are you sequenced is the show. It was better live. I'm not too keen on Dresden or The Dome. Too much sampled stuff. I have the RFH part with the sexy voices. The first 10 minutes of that CD make the whole CD worth it. I haven't got any of the collections. I got Gin Rose. That's like Schulze's old stuff in a modern style. I play that a lot. Gin Rose, Live and Poland 83 show what a great musician he is without the samples. Look foward to seeing KS again. What's Osnabruck like? Should I buy it? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28573 Re: (all sorts) K S Live Phil White Mon 8/20/2001 3 KB 28636 Re: (all sorts) K S Live David Foster Wed 8/22/2001 3 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Sun Aug 19, 2001 2:31 am Subject: Re: Depeche Mode In a message dated 8/17/01 2:21:28 PM, farellano@s... writes: >I've heard the Depeche Mode reference so many times that I really must >try them out. I know this has been cover once before, but where should I start? At the risk of upsetting album purists, I'm going to suggest that 'The Singles 81>85' and 'The Singles 86>98' are a good way to start. I also think their 2001 album 'Exciter' is outstanding, but it's probably not the best place to begin. They put on a good live show, too. --Daniel NP: Iron Savior--Dark Assault Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28642 Re: Depeche Mode gyedid@p... Wed 8/22/2001 3 KB From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Sun Aug 19, 2001 2:28 am Subject: OT: MSN MESSENGER - apologies Hey all, sorry to send a huge bulk mail, but if you're on my MSN Messenger buddy list, please add me again, so I can see your screen name/e-mail address to re-add you. I just bought a new computer, and therefore all the older information wasn't included (GRIN). Thanks bunches, look forward to chatting later. dan Kayleighs Playhouse - Live Online http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com The ULTIMATE 80s Mailing List - 80sPopMusic FOUND HERE!!! http://www.yahoogroups.com Contact me: AOL IM (winnietiggerfan) or MSN Messenger!!

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat Aug 18, 2001 7:26 pm Subject: opticaldream is back Hi all, I am back on vacation, all emails to me, I will be answer very soon, thank you for your understanding. please visit my homepage: www.opticaldream.de a new Fan homepage will be open in October or November 2001 for all ASHRA / ASH RA TEMPEL and an MANUEL GOETTSCHING Fans. more information will follow. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'simon heath' Date: Sat Aug 18, 2001 2:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Essential KS (Was Royal Festival Hall.) >Problem is these days that his albums are so hard to find in this part of >London/Essex. A-ha! Recently the Schulze camp took the decision to stop selling through mainstream record stores.The best place to get KS releases is now Manikin, ie. almost directly from Klauses fingers as they brush majestically over his multifluous banks of incredible sound sources. hears(sic) the URL www.manikin.de/ they favour some other outlets,too...the problem I have with Manikin is that they have no 'secure link'for credit cards.Unprofessional. Even so,I find it hard to believe you have problems ...Yer next to London!Wot about Tower?I used to live near there, in Hackney Wick,BTW. Why has no-one recommended Moondawn? I would say get the 10 cd historic edition, it's fantastic (and quite good value) or the 25cd Jubilee...that is, if you like his 75-80 period. www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Sat Aug 18, 2001 1:27 am Subject: OT: Re: [tadream] Depeche Mode > Frank said: > > > I've heard the Depeche Mode reference so many times that I really must try > > them out. I know this has been cover once before, but where > > should I start? My own favorite is Ultra, I know a lot of fans hate this one for being just routine-work. But I think it has so much soul........ listening to M. Gore's lyrics describing to the point of unbelievable, Gahan's chaotic life..........is very fascinating......... Songs of faith and devotion is the one I like the least. This was made at the point of DM's career where D. Gahan thought that DM should be a 'rock-band' and that they should be and act like 'rockstars'. IMO this is not DM............. But I would recommend starting at the first album and listen to every album they made. There are so many tracks, located on different album that deserves attention. Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28575 OT: Re: [tadream] Depeche Mode joes@f... Mon 8/20/2001 2 KB From: gmroger@p... Date: Mon Aug 20, 2001 10:30 am Subject: Re: Warsaw Hello everyone - I hope it's nice to be back, judging by all the digests I've waded through (some very silly topics seem to have cropped up recently). So, I'll make sure I'll make no spelling mistakes and stick to something nice and neutral, with no threat of unsubscribing from the list (Do I qualify as a lurker?), so I'll make it Warsaw (which seems to have been a very quiet topic!) Let's start with the list members going: 1. Roger Hartopp (& possibly with wife - she's not so sure at the moment!) 2. Jorge Figuerido (& wife) (Jorge - thanks for your last e-mail, I'll write back as soon as I can) 3. Vic Rek (but not with wife) 4. Chris Towers (Look forward to meeting you! - I'm staying at the Belfer, so if you want to see what Communism used to be like, try there!) 5. Olle Rundgren 6. baG (What's your real name?) On 16 Aug 2001, at 22:18, tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 23 > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:21:37 +0200 > From: baG > Subject: Meeting in Warsaw > > Hello Dreamers, > > In the connection with Tangerine Dream's Warsaw Concert I want to propose > you a meeting before and after the performance. We choose to meet in Irish > Pub at Miodowa 3 about 5.30 pm. From this place we can walk to > Swietokrzyski Bridge, it's 20 minutes far away from pub. You can take a > look at photos of Irish Pub here: > http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/Page10084/page100842.html > If you have any questions feel free to contact me offlist or by icq. > > regards from Poland > -- > baG Will this be the same place where all the members of the Polish list will be? Might be a little daunting for us foreigners. But if everyone's happy with that, I'll go for it. -Roger Hartopp -- Jest niezly ... i liscik napisze OnetKomunikator [ http://ok.onet.pl/instaluj.html ] From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun Aug 19, 2001 2:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (all sorts) K S Live Hi David, thanks for your interesting observations. Did the Schulze gig make it out as a fan tape ? Is it available on CDR nowadays ? ATB Phil Agree with 'Gin Rose' I like that too. N.P. T.Dream 'Live at Various Cathedrals' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release Date: 8/7/01 From: 'Scott' Date: Sun Aug 19, 2001 3:37 pm Subject: Re: D:Boot (My top 10 list) Ok, Heiko, does that mean you're going to start a CD tree? :-) I agree about the stuff from '80 - that tour rocked! I prefer Brussels, but I can't say why. And Pergamon is, hands down, my fave TD album. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28588 Re: D:Boot (My top 10 list) jowers Mon 8/20/2001 2 KB 28596 Re: D:Boot (My top 10 list) Heiko Heerssen Tue 8/21/2001 3 KB 28597 Re: D:Boot (My top 10 list) Frank Arellano Tue 8/21/2001 3 KB From: joes@f... Date: Sun Aug 19, 2001 1:00 pm Subject: OT: Re: [tadream] Depeche Mode Music for the Masses was my intro to DM and is still my favorite. --- In tadream@y..., 'PERGAMON' wrote: > > Frank said: > > > > > I've heard the Depeche Mode reference so many times that I really must try ... > My own favorite is Ultra, I know a lot of fans hate this one for ...> Songs of faith and devotion is the one I like the least. From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Sun Aug 19, 2001 1:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Depeche Mode In a message dated 19/08/01 13:55:23 GMT Daylight Time, quarlie@a... writes: > At the risk of upsetting album purists, I'm going to suggest that 'The > Singles 81>85' and 'The Singles 86>98' are a good way to start. > I agree with that totally. Gives you a taste of Depeche Mode through the years as opposed to a certain album Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Aug 19, 2001 11:37 pm Subject: Zoning Hi there, I just saw the OST Zoning at circuit city for $15... Thought about buying it, but decided to throw out a request to the list... could someone describe the music please? Is it the more techno(ish) style of recent TD, or the more melodic? Any descriptions would be appreciated... Thanks, Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28583 Re: Zoning chris towers Mon 8/20/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Aug 20, 2001 11:11 am Subject: Melrose I was listening to 'Melrose' in the car yesterday and realized that I haven't heard this CD for a couple of years now (no wonder since you have so much TD music to choose from!) When I bought the CD back in 1990 I thought that it was quite good and slightly better than 'Lily on the beach', but never really noticed compositional masterpieces like 'Electric lion' or 'Three bikes in the sky'. It's hard to describe...some of the tracks are quite complex but don't sound complicated, rather sophisticated...and there's a certain laid back feeling which is pure joy to listen to. If I had to name the best TD album of the 90s then it has to be 'Melrose' :-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28644 Re: Melrose gyedid@p... Wed 8/22/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Aug 20, 2001 11:51 am Subject: Depeche Mode??? Hi all, why we talk here (at Tangerine Dream Mailing list) about Depeche Mode???? Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28580 Re: Depeche Mode??? GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Mon 8/20/2001 2 KB 28581 OT: Re: Depeche Mode??? joes@f... Mon 8/20/2001 2 KB From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Mon Aug 20, 2001 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Depeche Mode??? In a message dated 20/08/01 15:13:56 GMT Daylight Time, NEUMANN.H-J@t... writes: > why we talk here (at Tangerine Dream Mailing list) about Depeche Mode???? maybe because music doesn't begin and end with Tangerine Dream [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: joes@f... Date: Mon Aug 20, 2001 2:25 pm Subject: OT: Re: Depeche Mode??? Limited-duration Off-topic diversions are certainly OK, but you're right, Heiko - DM really has nothing to do with TD. You may find numerous Depeche Mode discussion groups by searching from the yahoogroups main page. Good luck. Back to TD... Joe --- In tadream@y..., NEUMANN.H-J@t... wrote: > Hi all, > > why we talk here (at Tangerine Dream Mailing list) about Depeche Mode???? portions of this message have been removed] From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Aug 20, 2001 3:42 pm Subject: Re ZONING On Sun, 19 Aug 2001 19:37:28 EDT Synthhtnys@a... writes: Other than two very good Froese/Froese tracks, the rest of the album is really an Edgar solo album that comes across like a cross between BEYOND THE STORM and DEADLY CARE. Overall, largely enjoyable, but it's really the opening track that you will return to again and again. The overall ambience of the album, taken as a unit, though, is very nice, with an austerity reminiscent of POLAND and MIRACLE MILE. Steven Feldman > Hi there, > I just saw the OST Zoning at circuit city for $15... Thought about > buying it, > but decided to throw out a request to the list... could someone > describe the > music please? Is it the more techno(ish) style of recent TD, or the > more > melodic? > Any descriptions would be appreciated... > Thanks, > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28738 Re: Re ZONING Adele Outland Sat 8/25/2001 4 KB 28739 Re: Re ZONING Synthhtnys@a... Sat 8/25/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Mon Aug 20, 2001 4:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Zoning Zoning is very melodic, no techno, actually a very nice album to listen too, its worth buying Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: Vincent Goudreault Date: Mon Aug 20, 2001 4:03 pm Subject: OT: Re: English > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'ampmusic' > To: > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 3:19 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] English - and a new topic > > > Yes, most spoken, but not most WIDELY spoken, because most of them are > confined to China. And > they can't type. And aren't on the internet :-) Well, perhaps more than you would think, as my fiancee (a recent immigrant from China) would attest. Internet is really developping fast in China, through various plug-ins (you should see all the extra code she installed on the home computer, so she can surf and write in Chinese). And, yes, they can type, using a system called 'pinyin' that links chinese ideograms with a phonetic transcriptions. This is slower (Mei prefers to type in English if the person she writes to knows that language) but they have it working. (Sorry if this has been addressed long time ago, I am just back from vacations -- one when I finally purchased a decent home computer, by the way -- and catching up on over 300 emails...) C.B.V. Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: 'Nicola Cont' Date: Mon Aug 20, 2001 5:10 pm Subject: TRADE / SELL ITEMS Hi people, I've posted on my TD homepage the new section TRADE - SELL - WANTED list. If you are interested, please contact me off list. Regards __ /| / / / |/ icola /__ ont http://www.cont.it/td Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28594 Re: TRADE / SELL ITEMS vic rek Tue 8/21/2001 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Aug 20, 2001 6:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Melrose When I am runing sound for Bands, I use Three bikes in the sky for background music between sets, as well as part of the sound check. Works wonders with the reverbs and compressor set ups. Most folks also stop talking and look up to see just what and who is that coming from. So far nada nastly thrown my way. If I am doing video for the same type of gigs, I use the TD Video with Melrose on it, and Three bikes in the sky is typicaly where I have it cued up at. Three bikes in the sky'. It's hard to > describe...some of the tracks are quite complex but don't sound > complicated, rather sophisticated...and there's a certain laid Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Mon Aug 20, 2001 8:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Depeche Mode??? NEUMANN.H-J@t... said: > why we talk here (at Tangerine Dream Mailing list) about Depeche Mode???? Probably because the person who originally asked the question was a fan of Tangerine Dream, and they wanted to get the impressions of Depeche Mode from other fans of Tangerine Dream, because they had at least that in common. You know, as in, 'what is the most Tangerine Dream-like album by Depeche Mode?' -- Face down in the lap of luxury, and nowhere to GO but DOWN... :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: jowers Date: Mon Aug 20, 2001 11:51 pm Subject: Re: D:Boot (My top 10 list) >I agree about the stuff from '80 - that tour rocked! I prefer Brussels, but >I can't say why. And Pergamon is, hands down, my fave TD album. Is there a complete source for the Brussels show?? I only have the 74 minutes version. Kevin From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 1:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Sound and Effects Thanks for the information. I'll forward it on to the friend who sent me this. I kept wondering why it didn't really have the proper tune in it, but oh well, it was quite good anyway. Opens my eyes to the possibilities of Mark Shreeve actually. And you're right about the poor quality, but I don't look a gift horse in the mouth so was happy to get it anyway. 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: goozer@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] RE: Sound and Effects >Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:00:51 -0000 > >--- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland' wrote: >[snip] > > NP: Sound and Efects: TD live in NYC '91 (best House of the Rising Sun >I've > > heard) > >Uhhhhh...that's actually Mark Shreeve doing his version of John Carpenter's >End Theme from assault on Precinct 13. I forget what >Mark called it. This was the first boot TD CD I bought...and it was very >nearly the last one as it is from a *very poor* source tape, >along with the aforementioned bogus track. > >goozer > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to >http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28599 Re: Sound and Effects Robert Grabowsky Tue 8/21/2001 4 KB 38434 Sound and Effects bradley_duke@u... bduke252003 Thu 1/23/2003 2 KB 38435 Re: Sound and Effects John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 1/23/2003 2 KB 38438 Re: Sound and Effects Colin Jouxson convention24 Thu 1/23/2003 3 KB 38439 Re: Sound and Effects Jim Moore moxica93 Fri 1/24/2003 3 KB 38445 Re: Sound and Effects DAVKAUFMAN@a... Fri 1/24/2003 2 KB From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 2:49 am Subject: Re: OT Re: [tadream] Re: [Was list contributions] Sorry to bust your bubble, but it isn't just the ladies who get jealous. I can hardly even mention the name TD around my husband anymore. Makes it difficult to get through a day, lol, since the music is almost always on my mind. 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'Frank Arellano' >Besides different tastes in music, could it be that she hates to compete >against TD for your time and could it also be that TD has/had costed her a >house too 8-). I've come to learn recently that women hate the >competition _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 12:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Web based radio stations playing TD plus others Hi all, does anyone happen to know why the due to be released 'Twilight Folder' and 'StarTrooper' were deleted. I emailed TDI to ask but got no reply, anyone???? Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: chris towers Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 12:31 pm Subject: Deleted Items Hi all, does anyone happen to know why the due to be released 'Twilight Folder' and 'StarTrooper' were deleted. I emailed TDI to ask but got no reply, anyone???? Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 11:52 am Subject: RE: Depeche Mode ??? Hi all, thank you Joe for your email . Let us talk about Tangerine Dream. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:25:16 -0000 From: joes@f... Subject: OT: Re: Depeche Mode??? Limited-duration Off-topic diversions are certainly OK, but you're right, Heiko - DM really has nothing to do with TD. You may find numerous Depeche Mode discussion groups by searching from the yahoogroups main page. Good luck. Back to TD... Joe --- In tadream@y..., NEUMANN.H-J@t... wrote: > Hi all, > > why we talk here (at Tangerine Dream Mailing list) about Depeche Mode???? portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: vic rek Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 10:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TRADE / SELL ITEMS Hello Nicola, Yesterday I received your package with the 3 samplers and magazines. Thank you very much. Please let me know if new ones become available. I have a Cat Scan promo CD for trade, see http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream I would trade this for the Baumann 7' 'Romance '76' from France. Vic Nicola Cont wrote: > Hi people, > I've posted on my TD homepage the new section TRADE - SELL - WANTED > list. If you are interested, please contact me off list. > > Regards > > __ > /| / / > / |/ icola /__ ont > > http://www.cont.it/td > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Scott Plumer' Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 3:26 pm Subject: Brussels '80 Not sure if mine's complete or not. I think it's on a C-90, and I thought it filled it, but I could be wrong. Scott From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 8:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: D:Boot (My top 10 list) > Is there a complete source for the Brussels show?? I only have the 74 > minutes version. there is a complete source which has the two long tracks and two encores (long version of 'Choronzon' and an unreleased guitar/keyboard jam) This was the setlist for the 1980/81 tour except that on some concerts the 2nd encore was replaced with 'Scrap yard'. Heiko From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 2:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: D:Boot (My top 10 list) Alright !! Another Pergamon bud 8-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Scott' To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:37 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: D:Boot (My top 10 list) > Ok, Heiko, does that mean you're going to start a CD tree? :-) > > I agree about the stuff from '80 - that tour rocked! I prefer Brussels, but > I can't say why. And Pergamon is, hands down, my fave TD album. > > Scott > > From: fredericreynolds@h... Date: Mon Aug 20, 2001 11:45 pm Subject: Fillmore (SF) 11/08 - Tickets on sale? Any Bay Area fans going to the Fillmore gig? I see that the TDI web site now shows the Fillmore show as confirmed, viz: 'Nov 08th San Francisco, CA Fillmore YES' HOWEVER, Ticketmaster's web site doesn't mention this show at all... Anyone have better luck with this than me? --F From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 4:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Sound and Effects SOUND AND EFFECTS is the WORST TD bootleg I have ever heard. I regret spending $25 on it I would have got more enjoyment holding the money in my hand and setting it on fire. THE HIGHLANDER At 09:49 PM 8/20/01 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks for the information. I'll forward it on to the friend who sent me >this. I kept wondering why it didn't really have the proper tune in it, but >oh well, it was quite good anyway. Opens my eyes to the possibilities of >Mark Shreeve actually. And you're right about the poor quality, but I don't >look a gift horse in the mouth so was happy to get it anyway. 8-) Dell > >As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > > >>From: goozer@a... >>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: [tadream] RE: Sound and Effects >>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:00:51 -0000 >> >>--- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland' wrote: >>[snip] >> > NP: Sound and Efects: TD live in NYC '91 (best House of the Rising Sun >>I've >> > heard) >> >>Uhhhhh...that's actually Mark Shreeve doing his version of John Carpenter's >>End Theme from assault on Precinct 13. I forget what >>Mark called it. This was the first boot TD CD I bought...and it was very >>nearly the last one as it is from a *very poor* source tape, >>along with the aforementioned bogus track. >> >>goozer >> From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 1:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Deleted Items Simply that plans change. There have been other albums in the past that got 'backburnered' due to new developments. > -----Original Message----- > From: chris towers [mailto:cjt999fire2000@y...] > > Hi all, does anyone happen to know why the due to be > released 'Twilight Folder' and 'StarTrooper' were > deleted. I emailed TDI to ask but got no reply, > anyone???? > > Chris > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28601 Re: Deleted Items Heiko Heerssen Tue 8/21/2001 2 KB 28603 Re: Deleted Items Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Medi Tue 8/21/2001 2 KB 28608 Re: Deleted Items Alexander Bjelke Tue 8/21/2001 3 KB 28609 Re: Deleted Items Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 8/21/2001 3 KB 28611 Re: Deleted Items Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Medi Tue 8/21/2001 4 KB 28612 Re: Deleted Items Synthhtnys@a... Tue 8/21/2001 2 KB 28613 Re: Deleted Items Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 8/21/2001 5 KB 28614 Re: Deleted Items Joe Shoults Tue 8/21/2001 3 KB 28615 Re: Deleted Items Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Medi Tue 8/21/2001 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 1:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items > Simply that plans change. There have been other albums in the past that got > 'backburnered' due to new developments. 'Kraftwerk' surely is the best example for this kind of release tactics. Over the last 15 years there have been countless rumours about a new release, and all we got was a 'best of' remix album ten years ago and a mediocre CD single for the Expo 2000. I'm glad that TD is much more productive, just imagine they would release only 2 or 3 albums in a decade, or two albums in 20 years like Steely Dan :-0 Heiko From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 1:40 pm Subject: 'DM really has nothing to do with TD' 'DM really has nothing to do with TD.' Perhaps, but the opposite holds true. When I saw DM at the Rose Bowl (101) concert so many years ago, a track from Exit (heh) was played just before the final band of the day--Depeche Mode. --T prefers DM's 1st album Speak and Spell. Current DM tour ignores everything before 1986....sort of the opposite of 'old TD' fans here ;) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28605 Re: 'DM really has nothing to do with TD' James E. Jacoby Tue 8/21/2001 3 KB 28606 Re: 'DM really has nothing to do with TD' PERGAMON Tue 8/21/2001 4 KB 28610 Re: 'DM really has nothing to do with TD' Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 8/21/2001 3 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 2:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items From: 'Heiko Heerssen' >I'm glad that TD is much more productive, just imagine they would release only 2 or >3 albums in a decade, That would be great, at least then they would have time to compose some good tracks :-) Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 4:20 pm Subject: Time to compose good Tracks (was: RE: Deleted Items) But take the last decade (let's say for instance 1990 - 2000) What albums were released? Dead Solid Perfect Melrose The Man Inside (L'Affair Wallraff) The Park is Mine Rumpelstiltskin Deadly Care Rockoon 220 Volts Live Turn of the Tides Dream Mixes Tyranny of Beauty Goblin's Club Zoning Ambient Monkeys Oasis Timesquare Dream Dice Bonus CD Dream Encores Hollywood Years 1 Hollywood Years 2 Quinoa Extended Tournado Transsiberia Valentine Wheels Mars Polaris What a Blast Great Wall of China Seven Letters from Tibet Now in all this, I find 7 that I consider MUST HAVES, and MOST of the rest of them have a few EXCELLENT tracks that would total to another 3 albums worth. So considering that we got roughly 10 discs worth of superb material in 10 years, that's a heckuva lot better than 3!!!!! I can put up with some 'filler' to get 10 discs worth of superior quality listening! James > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) [mailto:glenn@f...] > From: 'Heiko Heerssen' > > >I'm glad that TD is much more productive, just imagine they > would release > only 2 or > >3 albums in a decade, > > That would be great, at least then they would have time to > compose some good > tracks :-) > > Best regards, > Glenn From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 4:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'DM really has nothing to do with TD' --- tei waz wrote: > > prefers DM's 1st album Speak and Spell. Current DM tour ignores > everything > before 1986....sort of the opposite of 'old TD' fans here ;) Actually... I caught DM a month ago, and it's more like they ignore everything from before 1990. With the exception of 2 songs ('Black Celebration' and 'Never Let Me Down Again'), the entire concert was 1990-present. I was a little disappointed, but they were still incredible. For someone just being initiated into the DM fold I would second the recommendation of the 2-disc Singles 86-98. The Singles 81-85 spends too much time on the synth-pop stuff that is hardly indicative of DM's body of work. For a single album I'd recommend either 'Black Celebration' or 'Music for the Masses' ... both of which are amazing and as good today as ever. And for the people who chimed in about conversation straying off the TD topic... shaddap! Do you want a community, or not? Don't be the stuffy 'I stop at every stop sign' fogey you used to rebel against in your youth. It's okay for things to stray off-topic once in a while. It's okay to take a small break away from the Froese Apologists vs. Old TD Roolz argument. James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'DM really has nothing to do with TD' And OK to discuss Schultze, but not DM......................hmmmmmm =o) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'James E. Jacoby' To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] 'DM really has nothing to do with TD' > > --- tei waz wrote: > > > > > prefers DM's 1st album Speak and Spell. Current DM tour ignores > > everything > > before 1986....sort of the opposite of 'old TD' fans here ;) > > Actually... I caught DM a month ago, and it's more like they ignore > everything from before 1990. With the exception of 2 songs ('Black > Celebration' and 'Never Let Me Down Again'), the entire concert was > 1990-present. I was a little disappointed, but they were still > incredible. > > For someone just being initiated into the DM fold I would second the > recommendation of the 2-disc Singles 86-98. The Singles 81-85 spends > too much time on the synth-pop stuff that is hardly indicative of > DM's body of work. For a single album I'd recommend either 'Black > Celebration' or 'Music for the Masses' ... both of which are amazing > and as good today as ever. > > And for the people who chimed in about conversation straying off the > TD topic... shaddap! Do you want a community, or not? Don't be the > stuffy 'I stop at every stop sign' fogey you used to rebel against in > your youth. It's okay for things to stray off-topic once in a while. > It's okay to take a small break away from the Froese Apologists vs. > Old TD Roolz argument. > > James > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 6:31 pm Subject: auction hi everyone there is only 3 days left to bid on items in my auction my items are listed here www.tadream.co.uk just click on the auction button in the main window. the auction ends 8pm British Summer time Friday 24th August i check my emails every day so the listing will be updated daily. happy bidding Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 6:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items I know that you hate TD output the last 15 years, but IMHO you are a bit harsh here. You always glorify JMJ, but what has he done lately? The last album was IMO utterly crap (much worse than anything TD have put out the last decade), he works together with teenage pop stars and makes music with extremly cheesy lyrics. And it's IMHO very unfair to say that TD has not composed any good trakcs the last decade. Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items > From: 'Heiko Heerssen' > > >I'm glad that TD is much more productive, just imagine they would release > only 2 or > >3 albums in a decade, > > That would be great, at least then they would have time to compose some good > tracks :-) > > Best regards, > Glenn > > www.electronicshadows.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 7:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items Well, there you have it. Surprises me what just pops out of the Blue. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items > I know that you hate TD output the last 15 years, but IMHO you are a bit harsh here. You always glorify JMJ, but what has he done lately? The last album was IMO utterly crap (much worse than anything TD have put out the last decade), he works together with teenage pop stars and makes music with extremly cheesy lyrics. And it's IMHO very unfair to say that TD has not composed any good trakcs the last decade. > > Alexander From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 8:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'DM really has nothing to do with TD' As for DM. I pretty much believe they are influenced by TD. I base this on listening to them since they formed. While any band moves on and tries out different roads that influence was still there none the less. Not so noticeable with the 90's stuff DM has done. As a check on this, I had my youngest step son who just got back from a DM concert, be tortured with a few TD albums. He first thought that I had uncovered some unknown DM recordings with out lyrics. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'James E. Jacoby' To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] 'DM really has nothing to do with TD' > > --- tei waz wrote: From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 8:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items Alexander, I think you are the one who's being harsh. I didnt say TD never composer any good tracks the last decade. I said if they focused on 3 albums per decade they'd have time to compose good tracks for each of those albums. That doesnt rule out that there are a few good tracks spread out over 10 or 15 CDs. 'Hate' is also a strong word :-) Maybe 'dislike' is better? And what's wrong with that? As for JMJ - it's better to put out one crap album each decade than, say 5, right? You are also oversimplyfying Jarre's body of work, but we wont go into that here (wrong list). Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items > I know that you hate TD output the last 15 years, but IMHO you are a bit harsh here. You always glorify JMJ, but what has he done lately? The last album was IMO utterly crap (much worse than anything TD have put out the last decade), he works together with teenage pop stars and makes music with extremly cheesy lyrics. And it's IMHO very unfair to say that TD has not composed any good trakcs the last decade. > > Alexander > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items > > > > From: 'Heiko Heerssen' > > > > >I'm glad that TD is much more productive, just imagine they would release > > only 2 or > > >3 albums in a decade, > > > > That would be great, at least then they would have time to compose some good > > tracks :-) > > > > Best regards, > > Glenn From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items I know that you hate TD output the last 15 years, but IMHO you are a bit harsh here. You always glorify JMJ, but what has he done lately? The last album was IMO utterly crap Alexander *It's OK for you to be harsh, but not Glenn? Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 9:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items I guess Synergy should be included as well huh? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items > Alexander, > > I think you are the one who's being harsh. I didnt say TD never composer any > good tracks the last decade. I said if they focused on 3 albums per decade > they'd have time to compose good tracks for each of those albums. That > doesnt rule out that there are a few good tracks spread out over 10 or 15 > CDs. > > 'Hate' is also a strong word :-) Maybe 'dislike' is better? And what's > wrong with that? > > As for JMJ - it's better to put out one crap album each decade than, say 5, > right? You are also oversimplyfying Jarre's body of work, but we wont go > into that here (wrong list). > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:27 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items > > > > I know that you hate TD output the last 15 years, but IMHO you are a bit > harsh here. You always glorify JMJ, but what has he done lately? The last > album was IMO utterly crap (much worse than anything TD have put out the > last decade), he works together with teenage pop stars and makes music with > extremly cheesy lyrics. And it's IMHO very unfair to say that TD has not > composed any good trakcs the last decade. > > > > Alexander > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 4:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items > > > > > > > From: 'Heiko Heerssen' > > > > > > >I'm glad that TD is much more productive, just imagine they would > release > > > only 2 or > > > >3 albums in a decade, > > > > > > That would be great, at least then they would have time to compose some > good > > > tracks :-) > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Glenn > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 10:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Deleted Items well, before we get crazy here... ;-) I'm a big fan of both. (Gee Joe, you mean you like JMJ *and* TD???) I actually got turned on to Zoolook before I got heavy into TD. I mean, Zoolook blew me away - what a masterpiece! Having Laurie Anderson making cute little squeaky noises in my headphones didn't hurt too much either... Then of course, I got Oxygene and I lost interest somewhere around Oxygene part XXXXX or so. A few months ago I found a JMJ Live album, and I'm gonna keep it, but I think there was a good reason it was in the 99 cents bin! So I don't like all of it, but then again, I haven't played 'Destination Berlin' since the first time I acquired it, either... (maybe it's time to give it a spin again? nah? OK, I'll put on The Keep instead). BUT - one big problem I have with JMJ is his terrible website. headache-inducing color schemes, god-awful navigation, hard to read text, pretty eggregious self-indulgence... surprised that Sony would let it out like that... good thing the music is better than the site! Joe np: The Keep > -----Original Message----- > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 5:11 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items > > > I know that you hate TD output the last 15 years, but IMHO > you are a bit > harsh here. You always glorify JMJ, but what has he done > lately? The last > album was IMO utterly crap > > Alexander > > *It's OK for you to be harsh, but not Glenn? > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 11:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' > I'm a big fan of both. (Gee Joe, you mean you like JMJ *and* TD???) Yes, how could you!!!!! :-) > BUT - one big problem I have with JMJ is his terrible website. > headache-inducing color schemes, god-awful navigation, hard to read text, > pretty eggregious self-indulgence... surprised that Sony would let it out > like that... good thing the music is better than the site! Ah, but you see - that aint Jarre's website! That is Sony's website about Jarre. I take it you are speaking about jarre.com? In fact, Jarre was so pissed off about it that he gave a team of fans the job of making a new site for him, which is jarre.net - maybe not the world's best site but alot better than jarre.com and at least one that is made in cooperation with Jarre. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'RJ' Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 9:01 am Subject: interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? Hi, Although a newby on this group, I've been a fan of TD for many years now, especially w.r.t. the early years (up to 1976). I've already got most of the official releases and a few bootlegs: Live,Improvised and Ruby in the Sky, both of which I consider to be true masterpieces! Can anyone tell me which other bootlegs from this period are worth hunting for? Thanks! RJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28622 Re: interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? Owens, James Wed 8/22/2001 3 KB 28662 Re: interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? RJ Thu 8/23/2001 3 KB 28670 Re: interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? Owens, James Thu 8/23/2001 4 KB 28672 Re: interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? Owens, James Thu 8/23/2001 2 KB 28679 Re: interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? Joe Shoults Thu 8/23/2001 2 KB 28740 Re: interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? Adele Outland Sat 8/25/2001 2 KB 28795 Re: interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? chris towers Sun 8/26/2001 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 2:34 pm Subject: TDs influence on 80s music Which leads me back to a thought... I understand that for purposes of this list, DM has nothing to do with TD, but on the other hand, I think it DOES in terms of TD's influence on them. In my opinion, I would say that TD was probably a pretty big influence on many of those synth-based bands whether they'll admit to it publicly or not. << Subject: 'DM really has nothing to do with TD' 'DM really has nothing to do with TD.' Perhaps, but the opposite holds true. When I saw DM at the Rose Bowl (101) concert so many years ago, a track from Exit (heh) was played just before the final band of the day--Depeche Mode. --T>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28627 Re: TDs influence on 80s music scfeldman@j... Wed 8/22/2001 3 KB 28628 Re: TDs influence on 80s music Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 8/22/2001 4 KB 28632 Re: TDs influence on 80s music Sean Montgomery Wed 8/22/2001 3 KB 28637 Re: TDs influence on 80s music Steve Wed 8/22/2001 2 KB 28634 Re: TDs influence on 80s music Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 8/22/2001 3 KB 28635 Re: TDs influence on 80s music Joe Shoults Wed 8/22/2001 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 2:44 pm Subject: JMJ and 'crap' 3 albums per decade vs. 10 or 15... who's to say? I think 'crap' is so relative. One person's 'crap' is another person's 'truffle.' I'd rather have the 10 or 15, especially in the case of TD since even the albums that I've gotten that I didn't entirely like had at least a few songs that made it worth it. There are a few albums like that for me... maybe the whole album didn't speak to me, but maybe there was one song that I liked so much that I decided that it was worth what I paid for the album just to have that one song. Again, it's all relative. Who's to say that the artist who only released one album in that decade wasn't just polishing a turd? << Subject: Re: Deleted Items Alexander, I think you are the one who's being harsh. I didnt say TD never composer any good tracks the last decade. I said if they focused on 3 albums per decade they'd have time to compose good tracks for each of those albums. That doesnt rule out that there are a few good tracks spread out over 10 or 15 CDs. 'Hate' is also a strong word :-) Maybe 'dislike' is better? And what's wrong with that? As for JMJ - it's better to put out one crap album each decade than, say 5, right? You are also oversimplyfying Jarre's body of work, but we wont go into that here (wrong list). Glenn>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28623 Re: JMJ and 'crap' Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Medi Wed 8/22/2001 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 4:02 pm Subject: change in the weather Seems a change in the weather on this list. Was it DM, Jarre, Synergy or ? I noticed that the latest threads are fading away with nada new. I was pondering this on the hour drive into work today listening to TD Mixes, all the threads in the past few weeks. Adding them up and trying to summarize the whole. Here is what I came up with. 1. We are frustrated with TD for various reasons. 2. We are letting this frustration get in the way of this list. 3. The new rounds of concerts for TD has most of us in doubt as to where the band is heading. Which goes back to the key word. Frustrated. No I am not frustrated with Mixes, I happen to like that CD. TD perhaps as others here. It isn't going to stop me from listening or talking about them. I been just as unhappy with the Rolling Stones or Pink Floyd. I still crank them on when the mood strikes. The threads of quantinty to quality doesn't really matter. I lean towards quality but as others as spoke, I can find a track or two I like. If you do like I do, take that track or two, burn a CD, you got your own Mixes. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28620 Re: change in the weather GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Wed 8/22/2001 2 KB 28624 Re: change in the weather simon heath Wed 8/22/2001 2 KB 28625 Re: change in the weather Joe Shoults Wed 8/22/2001 2 KB 28626 Re: change in the weather Thenite0wl@a... Wed 8/22/2001 2 KB 28646 Re: change in the weather Utch Entel Thu 8/23/2001 2 KB 28651 Re: change in the weather Matthew Stringer Thu 8/23/2001 2 KB From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 4:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] change in the weather In a message dated 22/08/01 17:12:46 GMT Daylight Time, admin@k... writes: > 1. We are frustrated with TD for various reasons. > Agree with that. I have Dream mixes 1 and 2 but have not even bothered getting off my arse to get 3 yet. I have been buying Ozric albums instead. Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 3:28 pm Subject: CDs for trade Hello all Got the following unwanted or spare CDs for trade. Please take a look at my wants also. I am interested to swap them as original CDs (i.e. NOT CDRs) and send them without jewel cases. Some CD details are missing because they are at my old residence. Nevertheless, feel free to ask and pls contact me off-list. Regards Jeffrey Original CDs for trade: Air - Moon Safari, EU Air - Kelly Watch The Stars Maxi CD, EU Depeche Mode - Speak & Spell Depeche Mode - A Broken Frame Depeche Mode - Construction Time Again Depeche Mode - Leave In Silence Maxi CD Dio, The Last In Line, Vertigo 822 366-2, Germany Brian Eno, The Shutov Assembly, Opal/Warner 45010 2, Germany Enya - Los Celtas, Sonifolk, Spain Enya - A Day Without Rain, China The Future Sound Of London, Papua New Guinea, Hypnotic CLP 9743-2, USA Philip Glass - Koyaanisquatsi (feat. Michael Hoenig) Guru Guru, Wah Wah, Think Progressive TPCD 1.507.002, Germany Peter Hammill, Skin, Virgin CDOVD 344, UK Joe Hisaishi, Nausicaa, Ever Ang-036, Taiwan Joe Hisaishi, Kids Return, SM Records PRO-001, Taiwan Joe Hisaishi, Princess Mononoke (played by symphony), Ever A8-895, Taiwan Kitaro, Astral Trip, weird cover!, China Komputer: The World Of Tomorrow, Mute CDSTUMM162, UK Neuronium, Numerica, Thunderbolt CDTB 082, UK OMD - Peel Sessions 1979-83, UK Pink Floyd - Division Bell, China Pink Floyd - The Wall Live 80-81, China Hans Joachim Roedelius, Momenti Felici, rare OOP, Virgin CDVE4, UK Eno Moebius Roedelius Plank, Begegnungen II, Sky CD 3095, Germany S.E.N.S. Fine, Taiwan S.E.N.S. L'oiseau Bleu, TV8 03, Taiwan S.E.N.S. Wish, Taiwan Soft Cell, Non-Stop Erotic Cabaret, Vertigo 800 061-2, Germany Software, Digital Dance, IC D2-74766, Germany Software, Syn-Code, no inlay nor back tray insert, Germany Spandau Ballet, The Singles Collection, Chrysalis, U.K. Spandau Ballet, The Twelve Inch Mixes, Chrysalis, UK Tangerine Dream, Canyon Dreams, Miramar MPCD 2801, USA Tangerine Dream, Destination Berlin, Hansa 260 440, Germany Tangerine Dream, Dream Music (compilation), Silva Screen FILMCD 125, EEC Tangerine Dream, Miracle Mile, USA Tangerine Dream, Turn Of The Tides, Miramar MPCD 2806, USA Tangerine Dream, Tyranny Of Beauty, Miramar 23046 2, USA Tangerine Dream, The Dream Mixes, Miramar 23073-2, USA Midge Ure, Pure, USA Midge Ure & Ultravox, If I Was The Best Of, UK Vangelis, Oceanic, East West 0630 16761 2, Germany Vangelis (Maxi CD), Sauvage et Beau, Polydor 576183 2, Germany Steve Winwood (Maxi CD), Spy In The House Of Love, VJCP-12059, Japan Yes, Relayer, Atlantic, ink jet inlay & back tray insert but original CD, USA Wants: some CDs from Brian Eno, Conrad Schnitzler, Hideki Matsutake, YMO, Moebius, Roedelius, Popol Vuh, Star Sounds Orchestra, Propeller Island, BJH, Peter Hammill most CDs from the Residents, Van Der Graaf Generator Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28682 Re: CDs for trade Jeffrey Au Yeung Fri 8/24/2001 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 4:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? 'Danger: Live' and 'Danger: Live 2' are top choices (primarily from Brussels, February and November 1976) 'Me-Rad' is good (November 8, 1976 Nottingham Albert Hall, UK) 'Oranges from France' is decent (August 16, 1975 Festival Pop d'Orange, France) If you're willing to venture into more 'modern' (;-)) stuff you should try out: 'Patrolling Space Borders' from 1977 at the Place des Art in Montreal. Really excellent stuff from the same era as Stratosfear and Encore. James > -----Original Message----- > Although a newby on this group, I've been a fan of TD for many years > now, especially w.r.t. the early years (up to 1976). I've already got > most of the official releases and a few bootlegs: Live,Improvised and > Ruby in the Sky, both of which I consider to be true masterpieces! > > Can anyone tell me which other bootlegs from this period are worth > hunting for? > > Thanks! > > RJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28662 Re: interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? RJ Thu 8/23/2001 3 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 4:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] JMJ and 'crap' ----- Original Message ----- From: > 3 albums per decade vs. 10 or 15... who's to say? I think 'crap' is so relative. One person's >'crap' is another person's 'truffle.' Of course. But even you admit that you'd buy 10 albums with 2 good tracks on each, rather than 3 albums with only good tracks. I dont understand that logic. But feel free to buy all the mediocre albums you want :-) > Who's to say that the artist who only released one album in that decade wasn't just polishing a turd? At least we cant accuse that artist of rushing things. If that album is bad, it must be because he's a lousy composer. A bad album because it is rushed is a different thing. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'simon heath' Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 5:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] change in the weather >I have been buying Ozric albums I second that! There was a brief TD/Ozric overlap that I experienced about 10 years ago, when I went to see Daevid Allen and found Ozrics Dance Music For The Head in the other room, all 70's TD sequences and amazingness. I was so turned off by a mid 80's TD release that I lost faith in them and have yet to be re-aquainted with the last 15 years of output in case I get repulsed again.But the Ozrics keep on the same path. www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 6:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] change in the weather Ozrics rule! you know about the erpnotes mailing list, right? but you should definitely investigate DM3. good stuff. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... [mailto:GKNARFAPPAZ@a...] ... > Agree with that. I have Dream mixes 1 and 2 but have not even > bothered > getting off my arse to get 3 yet. I have been buying Ozric > albums instead. > Derek > > From: Thenite0wl@a... Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 6:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] change in the weather Hi, all. I think a lot of TD fans (and other EM fans) who try out Ozrics are pleasantly surprised by their music/releases.. Regards Paul. From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 6:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDs influence on 80s music On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:34:46 EDT Liondream@a... writes: >Which leads me back to a thought... I understand that for >purposes of this list, DM has nothing to do with TD, but >on the other hand, I think it DOES in terms of TD's >influence on them. > >In my opinion, I would say that TD was probably a pretty big >influence on many of those synth-based bands whether they'll >admit to it publicly or not. If we want to talk about influences that folks don't want to admit, THE biggest influence on the world of synthpop is Giorgio Moroder. TD might be the single biggest influence on electronic music in general, and Kraftwerk on alterna(c)rock, but on synthpop, it's clearly Moroder. He, after all, was and is the most commercially and aesthetically successful of all disco producers and is the Godfather of House and Hi-NRG. Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty: 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers: 1493 Greenwood Avenue; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. MAJOR E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Moroder -- *not* Kraftwerk! +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | TD DISCOGRAPHY http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/tadream2.html | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 6:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDs influence on 80s music Lets here it for Cat People. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TDs influence on 80s music > On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:34:46 EDT Liondream@a... writes: > > >Which leads me back to a thought... I understand that for > >purposes of this list, DM has nothing to do with TD, but > >on the other hand, I think it DOES in terms of TD's > >influence on them. > > > >In my opinion, I would say that TD was probably a pretty big > >influence on many of those synth-based bands whether they'll > >admit to it publicly or not. > > If we want to talk about influences that folks don't want > to admit, THE biggest influence on the world of synthpop is > Giorgio Moroder. TD might be the single biggest influence on > electronic music in general, and Kraftwerk on alterna(c)rock, > but on synthpop, it's clearly Moroder. He, after all, was and > is the most commercially and aesthetically successful of all > disco producers and is the Godfather of House and Hi-NRG. > > Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876; > . Robert Carty: 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; > 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ > Nightcrawlers: 1493 Greenwood Avenue; Camden, NJ 08103; com>; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. MAJOR E-MUSIC FAVES: > Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Moroder -- *not* Kraftwerk! > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | TD DISCOGRAPHY http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/tadream2.html | > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 7:01 pm Subject: ME-RAD On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:41:01 -0500 'Owens, James' writes: > 'Me-Rad' is good (November 8, 1976 Nottingham Albert Hall, UK) Why is this boot called 'Me-Rad'? I've always wondered about that. Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28630 Re: ME-RAD Kevin Robert Ball Wed 8/22/2001 2 KB 28631 Re: ME-RAD Sean Montgomery Wed 8/22/2001 2 KB 28671 Re: ME-RAD Owens, James Thu 8/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 7:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] ME-RAD It's partners were Ardem-O and Collected Endings! ... both of which are currently on-sale at e-bay. So if you aint got 'em - well worth a bid or too. Kevin. -----Original Message----- From: scfeldman@j... [mailto:scfeldman@j...] Sent: 22 August 2001 20:01 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] ME-RAD On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:41:01 -0500 'Owens, James' writes: > 'Me-Rad' is good (November 8, 1976 Nottingham Albert Hall, UK) Why is this boot called 'Me-Rad'? I've always wondered about that. Steven Feldman From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 7:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ME-RAD scfeldman@j... wrote: > Why is this boot called 'Me-Rad'? I've always wondered about > that. I guess because it's an anagram for Dream (as is 'Ardem'). I see Edgar's fans also like to concoct clever word puzzles to amuse themselves. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 8:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDs influence on 80s music Liondream@a... wrote: > In my opinion, I would say that TD was probably a pretty big influence on many of those synth-based bands whether they'll admit to it publicly or not. I'd say that Edgar's solo album 'Stuntman' was probably a bigger influence on synthpop than any of TD's own stuff. Echoes of that album's title track can be heard in OMD's song 'Electricity'. But apart from that, where was the influence? Just because TD was one of the few artists using electronic instruments prior to 1980 doesn't make them influential. Who would you say was copying their musical style - Gary Numan? Japan? Duran Duran? I don't hear the connection. In the late 70s, TD sounded more like Pink Floyd than New Order. I'm sure that all of these folks (as well as later 80s artists like Derrick May and 808 State) were familiar with TD's music, but I agree with Steve that Morodor and Kraftwerk were much more influential, in terms of showing how to use synthesizers to make dance and pop music. I would argue that TD's real musical influence was in the world of 1980s film and TV scores. By 1987, every action or police theme sounded like them, and every sports show stank of TD music. Their softer pieces always showed up in soap operas. Of course, that really isn't as sexy as saying that TD made New Wave music possible...but it's closer to the truth. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28637 Re: TDs influence on 80s music Steve Wed 8/22/2001 2 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 4:13 am Subject: USA tour adverts and flyers Hi all, This is a request to all of our American friends on the list who might be going to see TD play on their forthcoming tour in the states. I am a big collector of TD press cuttings from around the world, and over the last 10 years or so have amassed a huge collection from throughout TD's career, some 700 or so. I was hoping I could do a trade with some of you guys in the states, and that some fans out there might be able to collect adverts, flyers, press articles, reviews, or anything cuttings relating to the tour. They can either be originals or photocopies, I really don't mind. As a trade for this I can send you anything you want from my TD scrapbooks, which includes dozens and dozens of great and very hard to find items, the vast majority of which are in perfect condition and not unreadable fifth grade copies (I can e-mail you a very detailed and fully catalogued list for you to choose from). I have a few very nice duplicate originals from the mid 70s which you could also have, plus also some stuff from TD's recent concert in the UK. If anyone in the states is at all interested in doing a trade, please contact me by private e-mail. With thanks, - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 8:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDs influence on 80s music Ahh.. you said the evil word New Wave... Which wave was the new one? 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's or eerier? Goes without saying that the term influenced has many meanings. To what extent now is TD? Is it true that just because they used synths it is a influence or the styles and areas used? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Sean Montgomery' To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] TDs influence on 80s music Of course, that really isn't as sexy as saying that TD made New Wave music possible...but it's closer to the truth. > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 8:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDs influence on 80s music The booklet note from 'Book of Dreams' corroborates this, I think. Edgar referred to it as a 'creative vacuum' or 'hell' or something like that if I recall correctly... it's my perception that they were just doing that (churning out numerous soundtracks) for the money, and were greatly relieved to escape Hollywood to regain their creative sea legs, so to speak. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@t...] > > I would argue that TD's real musical influence was in the > world of 1980s film and TV scores. By 1987, every action or > police theme sounded like them, and every sports show stank of TD > music. Their softer pieces always showed up in soap operas. > Of course, that really isn't as sexy as saying that TD made > New Wave music possible...but it's closer to the truth. > From: 'David Foster' Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 8:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (all sorts) K S Live Phil Contact me off list, I can't seem to contact you direct. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil White To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] (all sorts) K S Live > Hi David, > thanks for your interesting observations. > Did the Schulze gig make it out as a fan tape ? > Is it available on CDR nowadays ? > > ATB Phil > > Agree with 'Gin Rose' I like that too. > > N.P. T.Dream 'Live at Various Cathedrals' > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release Date: 8/7/01 > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Steve' Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 8:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDs influence on 80s music Does anyone else hear the melody of Depeche Mode's Blasphemous Rumours towards the end of Logos part 2? I refuse to believe it's coincidence! It was listening to DM's instrumentals that got me listening to TD again in the eighties (specifically Excerpts from My Secret Garden and Oberkorn) Steve www.craftman.co.uk www.rotties-r-us.co.uk From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 9:37 pm Subject: Re: 'Rushed' albums In a message dated 8/22/01 1:42:37 PM, glenn@f... writes: >At least we cant accuse that artist of rushing things. If that album is >bad, it must be because he's a lousy composer. A bad album because it is rushed >is a different thing. What makes you think that TD albums are being rushed? They released albums pretty frequently in the '70s and '80s, too. I doubt that if TD spent more time on each release, the releases would somehow end up more to your liking. Just a thought. --Daniel NP: Kamelot--Wings of Despair Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28640 Re: 'Rushed' albums Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Medi Wed 8/22/2001 3 KB 28643 Re: 'Rushed' albums Jim Moore Wed 8/22/2001 3 KB From: 'Coral Rumsey' Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 10:07 pm Subject: Beyond The Storm, Robert Schroeder Wondering about worth of this half-old half-new Edgar compilation. Worth getting? Given heavy rotation of K Schulze circa 1983 lately wondering about people's views on then-much-vaunted Robert Schroeder? Was he a worthy KS protege? SF [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28641 Re: Beyond The Storm, Robert Schroeder Thenite0wl@a... Wed 8/22/2001 2 KB 28649 Robert Schroeder =?iso-8859-1?q?Manuel=20Moren Thu 8/23/2001 2 KB 28650 Re: Beyond The Storm, Robert Schroeder Armin Theissen Thu 8/23/2001 3 KB 28647 Re: Beyond The Storm, Robert Schroeder Synthhtnys@a... Thu 8/23/2001 2 KB 28648 Re: Beyond The Storm, Robert Schroeder simon heath Thu 8/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 10:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Rushed' albums ----- Original Message ----- From: > What makes you think that TD albums are being rushed? They released albums > pretty frequently in the '70s and '80s, too. As frequently as in the 90s? >I doubt that if TD spent more > time on each release, the releases would somehow end up more to your liking. Maybe not, but the albums would probably be better. That's what I predict anyway. It's up to TD to prove that wrong, by releasing an album they worked for 3 years on, and if it isnt better than an album they worked 3 months on, I'll admit to be wrong :-) Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28643 Re: 'Rushed' albums Jim Moore Wed 8/22/2001 3 KB From: Thenite0wl@a... Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 10:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Beyond The Storm, Robert Schroeder Hi, Saw Robert Schroeder at a Milton Keynes UK'E /Inkeys event - was probably even about 20 yrs + ago..? (Struth..!!) Robert didnt seem to have the best of live events if I remember correctly- dont think the gear was set-up quite right- or something like that,but that didnt put me off liking his music one little bit.. especially 'Floating Music' - love it. Pity there wasnt more from this guy in recent years.. Regards, Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28649 Robert Schroeder =?iso-8859-1?q?Manuel=20Moren Thu 8/23/2001 2 KB 28650 Re: Beyond The Storm, Robert Schroeder Armin Theissen Thu 8/23/2001 3 KB From: gyedid@p... Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 10:43 pm Subject: Re: Depeche Mode --- In tadream@y..., quarlie@a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/17/01 2:21:28 PM, farellano@s... writes: > > >I've heard the Depeche Mode reference so many times that I really must > >try them out. I know this has been cover once before, but where should I > start? > > At the risk of upsetting album purists, I'm going to suggest that 'The > Singles 81>85' and 'The Singles 86>98' are a good way to start. Agreed. It got me into them after only knowing 'Strangelove' and 'Enjoy The Silence' for so many years :-S. > I also think their 2001 album 'Exciter' is outstanding, but it's probably not > the best place to begin. It's not their most TD-like album either (but that's not why I listen to them). Most similarities to TD's sound ended when Alan Wilder left the group, although the opening minute from 'Barrel of a Gun' (off 1997's _Ultra_) would have fit in quite well with Le Parc-era stuff. As far as I know, the most TD-like single track by DM is 'A Question of Lust', from _Black Celebration_, which features a rather mid-80s- TD-sounding sequencer line. > They put on a good live show, too. Unlike certain OTHER bands we know of :P You know, I still have this fantasy that one day TD will perform classic '80s synthpop in their concert encores instead of tired '60s anthems like 'Purple Haze' (fits their image/schtick better, IMO). Why not throw in a few arrangements of classic DM tunes? > --Daniel Gabe From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 10:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: 'Rushed' albums Not counting compilations and reworks (like Soundmill Navigator and Sohoman), the number is actually about the same, at least in my collection. They also did a boatload more soundtracks in the 80's than in the 90's, not to mention the touring time in both the 70's and 80's compared to the 90's. Also, according to the band, Rockoon and Turn of the Tides were two of the longest albums for the band in terms of recording and production times. It's up to each individual to determine if they are, in fact, 'better' albums (gotta love that subjective analysis!). Besides, some musical ideas may be lying around for years before they end up on an album that fits. I personally think that the time spent on an album has no real correlation to what I perceive to be its quality. For some artists, it could simply mean that they are having trouble coming up with ideas. And other artists have created masterpieces in a few days work. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) [mailto:glenn@f...] > What makes you think that TD albums are being rushed? They released albums > pretty frequently in the '70s and '80s, too. As frequently as in the 90s? >I doubt that if TD spent more > time on each release, the releases would somehow end up more to your liking. Maybe not, but the albums would probably be better. That's what I predict anyway. It's up to TD to prove that wrong, by releasing an album they worked for 3 years on, and if it isnt better than an album they worked 3 months on, I'll admit to be wrong :-) From: gyedid@p... Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 10:46 pm Subject: Re: Melrose --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > feeling which is pure joy to listen to. If I had to name the best TD > album of the 90s then it has to be 'Melrose' :-) > > Heiko FINALLY, ANOTHER WHO HAS SEEN THE LIGHT!!! Come, brother, and take your place alongside us in our hall of...OK, I won't say worship, but 'intense admiration' comes close enough. ;) ;) Gabe From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 1:21 am Subject: Ganymede Bleh. With all this supplication before Depeche Mode, I feel that it is my duty to provide some hype for the electronic pop duo Ganymede -- especially since they're an American band on a small label and hence underappreciated and underrecognized (like Tangerine Dream, actually, heh). I like these guys more than any other synthpop band since Duran Duran's second LP (RIO) came out -- and that's a long time ago. Who are Ganymede? A Californian analog synth duo on a small label called Ninthwave Records. They specialize in synthpop based on the music of Giorgio Moroder, The Pet Shop Boys, OMD, and New Order. Their stuff is eminently danceable and sports terrific melodies. Imagine a hybrid of Giorgio's 'First Hand Experience in Second Hand Love' (from the FROM HERE TO ETERNITY album) with New Order's 'True Faith,' and you'll have an idea what they're like. Theirs is oldstyle stompin' Eurodisco with a driving beat, sort of like Erasure at 45 speed without the overproduction. Go to http://www.planetganymede.com/ for more info, and to http://www.planetganymede.com/listen.html to listen to three of their tracks or click on one of the two 'KSCU Interview' links for an interview with some music selections. (If you stream the audio, it will start up very quickly.) The truly great 'Neon Rain' starts at the 16 minute mark. The second single off the album, 'Are You Falling in Love Again?' comes at the 34 minute mark. This track is based on Kraftwerk's 'Trans-Europe Express' as borrowed by Soul Sonic Force on their 'Planet Rock' track. And a personal fave of mine, 'It's Not Enough,' occurs at the 24:10 mark. This is not a very dancey track, but it is great synthpop. -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'David Bowie told me Brian Eno gave him a record of I Feel Love and said 'David . . . I heard the future!'' -- Giorgio Moroder, on the UK Channel 4 television special, 'The UK's Greatest #1 Singles,' on January 6, 2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 1:46 am Subject: Re: change in the weather Hi, Derek! >Agree with that. I have Dream mixes 1 and 2 but have not even bothered >getting off my arse to get 3 yet. I have been buying Ozric albums instead. Of the Dream Mixes DM1 will always be my favorite, but DM3 (to me) is a very close second... ...isn't the diversity of tastes on this list absolutely amazing!? ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- A pipe give a wise man time to think, and a fool something to stick in his mouth. --Unknown Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28651 Re: change in the weather Matthew Stringer Thu 8/23/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 1:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Beyond The Storm, Robert Schroeder Wondering about worth of this half-old half-new Edgar compilation. Worth getting? *IMO, No. Get the originals... ESPECIALLY Epsilon, one of the greatest albums ever recorded.... to which he added sax and upright bass samples on Beyond the storm (Shudder.) > Given heavy rotation of K Schulze circa 1983 lately wondering about people's > views on then-much-vaunted Robert Schroeder? Was he a worthy KS protege? *Good stuff, though I prefer Bernd Kistenmacher... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'simon heath' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 4:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Beyond The Storm, Robert Schroeder >> views on then-much-vaunted Robert Schroeder? My fave is Galaxie Cygnus* , with a whole side of his synth noises, accomplished and unconcerned about commercaility. Better than his more tuneful stuff IMHO, though they can be good too.His early Harmonic Ascendant was nice and 'timeless' from Paradise is possibly my fave 7 mins ever, Debusseyesque and similar to Schulzes' Amourage from the same year, all frozen- lakes- at -sundown. *it might be a bit rare . www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath From: Manuel Moreno Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 7:31 am Subject: Robert Schroeder Greetings. I read to speak of ROBERT SCHROEDER, or ROBERT SCHROEDER-TREBOR, and I want to ask to you what is known of him and of its music. From D.MO, for my its last disc, I do not have the news of him, what you know of him. Thanks. Manel. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger: Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente - http://messenger.yahoo.es From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 8:07 am Subject: Re: Beyond The Storm, Robert Schroeder Hi, I have three early albums of R. Schroeder (no, he's not related to the german chancellor), 'Harmonic Ascent', 'Floating Music', and 'Galaxy Cygnus A', all on K.S's 'IC' label (LPs running on 45). I loved them at the time, but later found them a bit boring, to be honest. I also went to a gig in his hometown Aachen (close to my place), and even have a book he wrote: on how to build an analoge sequencer. The gig was cute, with his self-build sequencer, a polymoog, I guess, and a PPG Wave 2. And a guitarist who used nothing but the high E string. armin --- In tadream@y..., Thenite0wl@a... wrote: > Hi, > Saw Robert Schroeder at a Milton Keynes UK'E /Inkeys event - was probably > even about 20 yrs + ago..? (Struth..!!) > Robert didnt seem to have the best of live events if I remember correctly- > dont think the gear was set-up quite right- or something like that,but that > didnt put me off liking his music one little bit.. especially 'Floating > Music' - love it. > Pity there wasnt more from this guy in recent years.. > Regards, > Paul From: Matthew Stringer Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 8:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: change in the weather On Thursday 23 August 2001 2:46 am, you wrote: > Hi, Derek! > > >Agree with that. I have Dream mixes 1 and 2 but have not even bothered > >getting off my arse to get 3 yet. I have been buying Ozric albums instead. Cool, stick with the Ozrics albums, every one a classic! From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 8:44 am Subject: 1 day left hi everyone there is only 1 day left to bid for items in my auction http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/auction.htm Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 10:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Beyond The Storm It depends on what you like. I don't think any of the re-worked pieces from Edgar's earlier albums are worth the money - I still can't believe what he did to Upland from 'Aqua'! Most of the new compositions sound very early-90s...interesting, but not the strongest period of Edgar's and TD's creativity. My favourites are 'Magic Lantern' (synth and guitar piece, so full of frustration and yet so uplifting...), 'Santa Elena Marisal' (somewhat minimalist piece with some interesting rhythms), 'Genesta in the Afternoon Glow' (mellow little number) and 'Tierra del Fuego' (simple but nicely ambient). Not that many favourites considering we're talking about a double CD with 28 tracks, but then I'm not a big fan of TD's saxophone era. So, if you want an honest opinion - try to get a listen to it at some point (some of the shorter versions of older tracks, e.g. 'Tropic of Capricorn', aren't bad, and I couldn't live without 'Magic Lantern' any more), but don't make it a priority over other TD/EF you may have on your wish list at the moment. If you don't want to spend loads on BtS, I'm happy to trade my copy. Dennis Sent: 22 August 2001 23:07 Subject: [tadream] Beyond The Storm, Robert Schroeder > Wondering about worth of this half-old half-new Edgar compilation. Worth getting? > > Given heavy rotation of K Schulze circa 1983 lately wondering about people's views on then-much-vaunted Robert Schroeder? Was he a worthy KS protege? > > SF > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 9:11 am Subject: RE: Robert Schroeder Did you try those albums on 33, I did very nice ;-) a shame that it is not possible with cd's > ---------- > From: Armin Theissen[SMTP:ath@s...] > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:07 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Beyond The Storm, Robert Schroeder > > > Hi, > > I have three early albums of R. Schroeder (no, he's not related > to the german chancellor), 'Harmonic Ascent', 'Floating Music', > and 'Galaxy Cygnus A', all on K.S's 'IC' label (LPs running > on 45). I loved them at the time, but later found them a bit > boring, to be honest. I also went to a gig in his hometown > Aachen (close to my place), and even have a book he wrote: on > how to build an analoge sequencer. The gig was cute, with his > self-build sequencer, a polymoog, I guess, and a PPG Wave 2. > And a guitarist who used nothing but the high E string. > > armin > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28658 Re: Robert Schroeder/Das Madchen Michael A Jean Thu 8/23/2001 4 KB 28999 Robert Schroeder renaud@a... Mon 9/10/2001 2 KB From: rubyconist@y... Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 11:10 am Subject: Humble introduction I have been a fan only for 8 or 9 months, but own +15 albums (can't remember the exact amount right now). My all the time growing fairly small collection: Alpha Centauri Zeit Atem Rubycon (Original lp [UK-release] and cd) Ricochet Stratosfear Cyclone Force Majeure Tangram Exit Thief Underwater Sunlight Pergamon Live Miles (my 1st album) Tangents Collection Mars Polaris The Great Wall of China and finally Antique Dreams. Altough my music taste doesn't focuse only in TD, it is currently my primary 'target'. I actually found the band after I bought one of Chris Franke's Babylon 5 -soundtracks (I'm a huge fan of the show) and then heard about the mysterious thing called Tangerine Dream. And here I am. Regards, TheInfection Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28681 Re: Humble introduction Deb H-J Fri 8/24/2001 2 KB From: 'Colin Anderson' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 11:11 am Subject: 80s music influence on TD Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:34:46 EDT From: Liondream@....... Subject: TDs influence on 80s music In my opinion, I would say that TD was probably a pretty big influence on many of those synth-based bands whether they'll admit to it publicly or not. >>> And, to take the converse, there's the Numan-esque sounds towards the end of The Comfort Zone on DM3.......... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28657 Re: 80s music influence on TD rubyconist@y... Thu 8/23/2001 2 KB 28667 Re: 80s music influence on TD moxica@m... Thu 8/23/2001 2 KB From: rubyconist@y... Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 11:18 am Subject: Re: 80s music influence on TD --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Anderson' wrote: > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:34:46 EDT > From: Liondream@ > Subject: TDs influence on 80s music > > > In my opinion, I would say that TD was probably a pretty big influence on many of those synth-based bands whether they'll admit to it publicly or not. > > >>> And, to take the converse, there's the Numan-esque sounds towards the end of The Comfort Zone on DM3.......... Tangerine Dream had a power to influence different kind of people, and it doesn't surprise if someone copied their style. But stricktly personally, I'm trying to forget 1980's. I hate that decade - except TD's music naturally. Regards, Infection From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 12:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Robert Schroeder/Das Madchen I usually played them at 33RPM speed...I forgot about doing that sort of thing on LPS...Guess it is time for a new turntable... Speaking of such things....I have always notcied that some of the music from the Das Madchen maxi single by TD, has been appeared on CDRs at the 'wrong' speed. > -----Original Message----- > From: bert.hulshoff@d... [mailto:bert.hulshoff@d...] > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 4:12 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] RE: Robert Schroeder > > > Did you try those albums on 33, I did very nice ;-) > a shame that it is not possible with cd's > > > ---------- > > From: Armin Theissen[SMTP:ath@s...] > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:07 > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Beyond The Storm, Robert Schroeder > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I have three early albums of R. Schroeder (no, he's not related > > to the german chancellor), 'Harmonic Ascent', 'Floating Music', > > and 'Galaxy Cygnus A', all on K.S's 'IC' label (LPs running > > on 45). I loved them at the time, but later found them a bit > > boring, to be honest. I also went to a gig in his hometown > > Aachen (close to my place), and even have a book he wrote: on > > how to build an analoge sequencer. The gig was cute, with his > > self-build sequencer, a polymoog, I guess, and a PPG Wave 2. > > And a guitarist who used nothing but the high E string. > > > > armin > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 11:52 am Subject: Tangerine Dream Webring Thanks to Martin Kay the 'Tangerine Dream Webring' now has a link on on the 'Other TD resources' section of the official TD homepage (http://www.tangerinedream.de/resources.html) Right now it includes 24 different TD fanpages but I hope that there will be much more. So in case someone wants to join my ring with his/her TD homepage please feel free to join it by going to the following URL: http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=thetangerinedrea or e-mail me off-list at 'heiko.heerssen@h...' if you have any questions :-) Regards, Heiko From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 12:13 pm Subject: was R. Scroeder now double fantasy morphing I hadn't realized that Robert Schroeder was involved with the production of Double Fantasy's Universal Ave. album. That one I like very much. Although I haven't played it lately. Anyway, I'm not too keen on the latter albums which saw double fantasy morph into dancing fantasy which largely became similar to what happened to so much of the 'new age' genre at the time--'light jazz'. Funny, back in the day we had a local AM radio station (KLRS) that played lots of 'new age'. They'd play, for example, Kitaro, Emerald Web and Tangerine Dream. That radio station morphed into a convservative talk radio channel (KSCO)--which is kinda strange considering it comes outta hippie-haven Santa Cruz. So Tuesday night I'm driving my car while scanning the airwaves and what do I hear on KSCO? New Age music. Old habits die hard I guess. :) They interviewed Iasos and played a bunch of his music and then followed it up with the same by Stephen Halpern. Weird. --T np Laurie Anderson 'Life on a String' _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28680 Re: was R. Scroeder now double fantasy morphing Michael A Jean Fri 8/24/2001 4 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 1:49 pm Subject: TD mixes and threads Exactly! <<>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28665 Re: TD mixes and threads goozer@a... Thu 8/23/2001 2 KB From: 'RJ' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 9:15 am Subject: Re: interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? Hi James, Thanks for the reply! It's much appreciated! Danger: Live/Live2 seem interesting suggestions. I think I'm gonna work on those. Do you know of any sources? Thanks again! RJ --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > 'Danger: Live' and 'Danger: Live 2' are top choices (primarily from > Brussels, February and November 1976) > > 'Me-Rad' is good (November 8, 1976 Nottingham Albert Hall, UK) > > 'Oranges from France' is decent (August 16, 1975 Festival Pop d'Orange, > France) > > If you're willing to venture into more 'modern' (;-)) stuff you should try > out: > 'Patrolling Space Borders' from 1977 at the Place des Art in Montreal. > Really excellent stuff from the same era as Stratosfear and Encore. > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > Although a newby on this group, I've been a fan of TD for many years > > now, especially w.r.t. the early years (up to 1976). I've already got > > most of the official releases and a few bootlegs: Live,Improvised and > > Ruby in the Sky, both of which I consider to be true masterpieces! > > > > Can anyone tell me which other bootlegs from this period are worth > > hunting for? > > > > Thanks! > > > > RJ From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Wed Aug 22, 2001 3:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items Ok, I admit that I was atleast as harsh as you were! Sorry for that, I'll try to be a bit more fair... But even so, your crusade against the current TD repulses me a little bit. I'll be the first one to admit that TD's prime time is over, but even then I always find something very enjoyable in each release. And Glenn, was it you who said in the norwegian jmj fanmagazine that Goblins Club resembled a Yanni demotape? (because that 'review' was the something of the worst (unproffesional) I have read, almost beats Puls' review of Oxygene 7-13...) And I think we should use % of crap albums, because the numbers of JMJ and TD releases dont compare well. And when you take that in consideration, I don't think TD is much worse than Jarre in producing crap albums. Of studio albums Jarre IMO made 2 crap albums this decade (WFC and Meta) and 2 great (Chronologie and Oxy 7-13). So for me that is a 50% crap rate. That compares very well to TD I think... Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items > Alexander, > > I think you are the one who's being harsh. I didnt say TD never composer any > good tracks the last decade. I said if they focused on 3 albums per decade > they'd have time to compose good tracks for each of those albums. That > doesnt rule out that there are a few good tracks spread out over 10 or 15 > CDs. > > 'Hate' is also a strong word :-) Maybe 'dislike' is better? And what's > wrong with that? > > As for JMJ - it's better to put out one crap album each decade than, say 5, > right? You are also oversimplyfying Jarre's body of work, but we wont go > into that here (wrong list). > > Glenn > From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 2:01 pm Subject: Lousy albums etc. Well, I don't buy an album hoping that it'll have at least two good tracks. I would prefer it to be 100% good tracks. Sometimes when I feel adventurous (and rich), I'll take a chance on something. But, if I can listen to the cd first, I'm not going to buy it if it only has one or two songs I like. I would REALLY have to like those one or two songs or else it would have to be a bargain cd or something. In terms of rushing or not rushing... it should take as long as it takes no more no less. As for mediocre... I don't know. There are some albums that I bought that I used to think were brilliant that I now think are mediocre and vice versa. I guess I'm more willing to take a chance on TD because I tend to like more of their stuff than not like. <<< Of course. But even you admit that you'd buy 10 alb ums with 2 good tracks on each, rather than 3 albums with only good tracks. I dont understand that logic. But feel free to buy all the mediocre albums you want :-) > Who's to say that the artist who only released one album in that decade wasn't just polishing a turd? At least we cant accuse that artist of rushing things. If that album is bad, it must be because he's a lousy composer. A bad album because it is rushed is a different thing. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28674 Re: Lousy albums etc. Alexander Bjelke Thu 8/23/2001 3 KB 28750 Re: Lousy albums etc. horrod6 Sat 8/25/2001 2 KB 28763 Re: Lousy albums etc. vic rek Sat 8/25/2001 2 KB From: goozer@a... Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 2:05 pm Subject: Re: TD mixes and threads Tired of carrying around all those DM discs? Do you hate having to skip through a disc just to get to the best bits, and then have swap out discs and start it all over again? Wanna hear the best of Jerome's take on TD? Then this is the compilation for you! Tangerine Dream-Time for Change 78:12 Virtually Fields Rough Embrace San Rocco Change of the Gods Sojus Jungle Jacula Digital Sister Pixel Pirates TimeSquare Prime Time Guaranteed to provide all the speeding tickets you will ever want! :) goozer --- In tadream@y..., Liondream@a... wrote: > Exactly! > > << like I do, take that track or two, burn a CD, you got your own Mixes. > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.>>> From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 2:08 pm Subject: rushed What about the Beatles? <<< Maybe not, but the albums would probably be better. That's what I predict anyway. It's up to TD to prove that wrong, by releasing an album they worked for 3 years on, and if it isnt better than an album they worked 3 months on, I'll admit to be wrong :-) Best regards, Glenn>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28668 Re: rushed Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Medi Thu 8/23/2001 2 KB 28694 rushed Liondream@a... Fri 8/24/2001 2 KB 28697 Re: rushed Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Medi Fri 8/24/2001 2 KB 28698 Re: rushed GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Fri 8/24/2001 2 KB 28701 Re: rushed Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Medi Fri 8/24/2001 2 KB 28703 Re: rushed GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Fri 8/24/2001 2 KB 28714 Re: rushed Synthhtnys@a... Fri 8/24/2001 2 KB 28724 rushed Liondream@a... Fri 8/24/2001 2 KB From: moxica@m... Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 80s music influence on TD > --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Anderson' wrote: >I'm trying to forget 1980's. I hate that decade - except >TD's music naturally. I disagree completely -- I think the 80's were the best decade of the century! From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 4:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] rushed ----- Original Message ----- From: > What about the Beatles? What about them? Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 4:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' >But even so, your crusade against the current TD repulses me a little bit. I'll be the first one > to admit that TD's prime time is over, but even then I always find something very enjoyable >in each release. It must be a misunderstanding if you think I have a crusade against current TD. Maybe I have had bad luck and only bought 90s TD albums that I happen to not like? Havent heard all of their 90s output. I liked Mars Polaris quite alot. Rockoon is OK. Transsiberia sounds promising, altho I havent listened carefully to it yet. Turn of the Tides has it's moments. I just happen to point out the bad ones (IMO) when I hear them. > And Glenn, was it you who said in the norwegian jmj fanmagazine that Goblins Club > resembled a Yanni demotape? No, I said GC was WORSE than Yanni's demotapes, hehe (and yes, if I have a crusade against anyone, it is Yanni....) >(because that 'review' was the something of the worst (unproffesional) I have read, > almost beats Puls' review of Oxygene 7-13...) I just re-read that review and I agree, it wasnt very professionally worded, but I was very very VERY annoyed by that album and couldnt find a way to express what I felt except taking the Puls route...... But I still stand behind what I said, that's one of the worst EM albums I have ever heard. Sorry. All IMO of course. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 5:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? Well, if you're interested in a trade for CDR copies, I can help you out. If you just *need* originals, you'll have to ask around. send me a list of what you're willing to trade! James > -----Original Message----- > From: RJ [mailto:kleppers@y...] > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 4:15 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? > > > Hi James, > > Thanks for the reply! It's much appreciated! > Danger: Live/Live2 seem interesting suggestions. I think I'm gonna > work on those. Do you know of any sources? > > Thanks again! > RJ > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > > 'Danger: Live' and 'Danger: Live 2' are top choices (primarily from > > Brussels, February and November 1976) > > > > 'Me-Rad' is good (November 8, 1976 Nottingham Albert Hall, UK) > > > > 'Oranges from France' is decent (August 16, 1975 Festival Pop > d'Orange, > > France) > > > > If you're willing to venture into more 'modern' (;-)) stuff you > should try > > out: > > 'Patrolling Space Borders' from 1977 at the Place des Art in > Montreal. > > Really excellent stuff from the same era as Stratosfear and Encore. > > > > James > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Although a newby on this group, I've been a fan of TD for many > years > > > now, especially w.r.t. the early years (up to 1976). I've already > got > > > most of the official releases and a few bootlegs: Live,Improvised > and > > > Ruby in the Sky, both of which I consider to be true masterpieces! > > > > > > Can anyone tell me which other bootlegs from this period are > worth > > > hunting for? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > RJ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 6:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] ME-RAD That's a good question, one that I've often wondered myself. Perhaps the bootlegger thought himself to be a particularly 'hip' person? > -----Original Message----- > Why is this boot called 'Me-Rad'? I've always wondered about > that. > > Steven Feldman From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 6:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? OOOPPPSSS! That was supposed to go offlist! From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 6:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Warsaw Hello everyone, I'm leaving to Lisbon in a few hours to get my flight to Warsaw tomorrow. I will meet you guys in the Irish Pub in the day of the concert (and Roger earlier in Krakow). I think I will have time to check my e-mail there, so I'll try to keep informed of any news. gmroger@p... wrote: > > Let's start with the list members going: > 1. Roger Hartopp (& possibly with wife - she's not so sure at the moment!) > 2. Jorge Figuerido (& wife) (Jorge - thanks for your last e-mail, I'll write back as soon as I can) > 3. Vic Rek (but not with wife) > 4. Chris Towers (Look forward to meeting you! - I'm staying at the Belfer, so if you want to see what Communism > used to be like, try there!) > 5. Olle Rundgren > 6. baG (What's your real name?) See you soon, Jorge Figueiredo From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 7:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Lousy albums etc. I cant understand that you can make up an oppinion of a TD cd with just one listen? If I had done that, the only TD album that I would have bought would be Stratosfear! I almost never love a TD album from the first listen (and thats a good sign), but it usually gets better, better and better :-) The best albums are always those that start out mediocre (like ricochet and encore) - they always end up fantasic. TD IMO makes music which must be played a while to get good. I never listen to an album before I buy it, thats what exciting! And I almost never regret. But then I tend to specialize in some bands / composers so I not totally unfamiliar with what I get. Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: [tadream] Lousy albums etc. > Well, I don't buy an album hoping that it'll have at least two good tracks. I would prefer it to be 100% good tracks. Sometimes when I feel adventurous (and rich), I'll take a chance on something. But, if I can listen to the cd first, I'm not going to buy it if it only has one or two songs I like. I would REALLY have to like those one or two songs or else it would have to be a bargain cd or something. From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 6:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items How long is it since you last listened to GC? I also hated it quite a long time before I aquired a certain taste for it. Please take your time and listen to Rising Haul in Silence and Lamb with Radar Eyes (and forget your presumptions) some times. You might be suprised... ;-) I must say I can't stand the 2nd. track (Darwin's Motel) though, so I always skip that track so that it wont ruin the rest of the album! I have the fealing many people get turned off just because of the sound of the album. I personally don't care much for the 'sounds', but I know people that dont like it because it sounds to much 'Korg' or or something like that. What is it that make GC worse than Yanni for you Glenn? The sounds or the composition? Alexander > >(because that 'review' was the something of the worst (unproffesional) I > have read, > > almost beats Puls' review of Oxygene 7-13...) > > I just re-read that review and I agree, it wasnt very professionally worded, > but I was very very VERY annoyed by that album and couldnt find a way to > express what I felt except taking the Puls route...... But I still stand > behind what I said, that's one of the worst EM albums I have ever heard. > Sorry. All IMO of course. > > Best regards, > Glenn > > www.electronicshadows.com From: Thenite0wl@a... Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 7:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] -Robert Schroeder Hi all, Yes ,Simon -Galaxie Cygnus 'A' An absolutely brilliant excursion. Cant think why I didnt mention that one yesterday..sorry.. Got carried away digging out my signed album of 'Floating Music'. If youve never heard 'Galaxie' then do so, and give yourself one hell of a treat. Regards, Paul. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28683 Re: -Robert Schroeder Armin Theissen Fri 8/24/2001 3 KB 28690 Re: -Robert Schroeder Jens Kilian Fri 8/24/2001 3 KB 28822 Re: -Robert Schroeder simon heath Tue 8/28/2001 4 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 7:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > How long is it since you last listened to GC? Very long. Too long I guess. But I dont think I will change my mind much as that have not been the case with other albums. I listen sometimes to Rockoon and Melrose and MP, the only 90s albums I actually like so far but I dont 're-discover' them. > I have the fealing many people get turned off just because of the sound of the album. >I personally don't care much for the 'sounds', The ting is, with electronic music the sounds are very much part of the composition. So if you dont pay attention to the sounds from the compser's point of view, you get........ boring stuff, for example, if you sit there with your Korgs and use whatever it throws at you. >but I know people that dont like it because it sounds to much 'Korg' or or something like that. Exactly. >What is it that make GC worse than Yanni for you Glenn? The sounds or the composition? They are in many cases the same. But - yes, both. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 8:19 pm Subject: album speed I think the funniest one is the 'slow' version of 'Speed'! (worth it for the irony, even if the music is much better at 45 rpm) I used to have a tape deck that would record from outside sources while in high-speed dubbing mode. I tried lots of half-speed recordings that way. Doctor Who sounds almost mournful, and 'The Big Chair' from Tears for Fears sounds pretty wicked. But by far the most powerful is a half speed recording of the '12 O'Clock' segment of 'Heaven and Hell part 2' by Vangelis. The castanets sound like chains rattling and the vocalists' moanings sound more like souls in torment! The true essence of HELL in music! (seriously! You need to try this to believe how spine-chilling it is!) Unfortunately that tape deck died off years ago, but now there's digital alternatives! James > -----Original Message----- > Speaking of such things....I have always notcied that some of > the music from > the Das Madchen maxi single by TD, has been appeared on CDRs > at the 'wrong' > speed. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28684 Re: album speed Armin Theissen Fri 8/24/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Aug 23, 2001 9:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? [raises an eyebrow, then LOL!] FYI for any newbies or bootleg seekers: Anybody who sells bootlegs is, IMHO, a jerk. There are enough of us here who have them and are more than willing to trade or supply- and WE DO IT FOR FUN AND FRIENDSHIP, not profit!! So, if you've bought an 'official bootleg' (there's an oxymoron for you), you've simply been gypped. I fyou want to collect, just ask for people to contact you OFFLIST for help or to discuss trades - Discussing bootlegs on the list is perfectly fine, but conducting trades on list the one of the few 'rigid' conversational rules we have here that are not subject to debate ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 2:20 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? > > > OOOPPPSSS! > That was supposed to go offlist! > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 1:42 am Subject: RE: [tadream] was R. Scroeder now double fantasy morphing I think he actually performed on Universal Ave under the name Dreamstar. You'll note that Dreamstar was not involved in the subsequent Dancing Fanstasy projects, hence the change in musical direction. > -----Original Message----- > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:13 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; teiwazbarana@h... > Subject: [tadream] was R. Scroeder now double fantasy morphing > > > I hadn't realized that Robert Schroeder was involved with the production > of Double Fantasy's Universal Ave. album. That one I like very much. > Although I haven't played it lately. > > Anyway, I'm not too keen on the latter albums which saw double > fantasy morph > into dancing fantasy which largely became similar to what happened to so > much of the 'new age' genre at the time--'light jazz'. > > Funny, back in the day we had a local AM radio station (KLRS) that played > lots of 'new age'. They'd play, for example, Kitaro, Emerald Web and > Tangerine Dream. That radio station morphed into a convservative > talk radio > channel (KSCO)--which is kinda strange considering it comes outta > hippie-haven Santa Cruz. > > So Tuesday night I'm driving my car while scanning the airwaves > and what do > I hear on KSCO? New Age music. Old habits die hard I guess. :) > They interviewed Iasos and played a bunch of his music and then > followed it > up with the same by Stephen Halpern. > > Weird. > > --T > > np Laurie Anderson 'Life on a String' > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Deb H-J Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 12:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Humble introduction welcome to the list! Rest assured that some of us are fairly new to TD, even if we are oldtimers at music collecting. You've got some that I don't have. My collection (including cassettes), now rests at about 35 titles, but there is still so much out there that I haven't heard yet...let alone formed opinions about. It's sort of a nice feeling. Deb H-J dhj4@y... --- rubyconist@y... wrote: > I have been a fan only for 8 or 9 months, but own > +15 albums (can't > remember the exact amount right now). My all the > time growing fairly > small collection: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 5:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] CDs for trade Hello all In addition to the CDs that I mentioned last time, I have the following titles to offer for swap: 1. Hector Zazou - Sahara Blue (this CD features also Ryuichi Sakamoto and Lightwave) 2. Chuck Greenberg - From A Blue Planet (this CD has one track feat. Steve Jolliffe; CD has only inkjet printed inlay and back tray insert) Contact me off list if interested. Regards Jeffrey From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 7:46 am Subject: Re: -Robert Schroeder Actually, I worked for a while at that place operating that 100m radio telescope dish in Germany from where Robert Schroeder and Michael Weisser (the guy talking on the album) got the white noise sound. I mean the Max Plank Institute for Radio Astronomy in Bonn. They were pretty amused by the idea to use such a rather trivial thing as the noise from their antenna for 'music'... The effect is, indeed, the same when you use a noise generator. And people get a wrong idea about it: its not the galaxy Cygnus A which 'sounds' - its just one of a myriad of electromagnetic signals which are processed by lots of electronics to sound. I also remember Schroeder/Weisser's appearance on the Ars Electronica in Linz/Austria at that time, and the moderator of the german TV show 'Aspekte' (some arts programme) found that whole idea really ridiculous. armin --- In tadream@y..., Thenite0wl@a... wrote: > Hi all, > Yes ,Simon -Galaxie Cygnus 'A' An absolutely brilliant excursion. > Cant think why I didnt mention that one yesterday..sorry.. > Got carried away digging out my signed album of 'Floating Music'. > > If youve never heard 'Galaxie' then do so, and give yourself one hell of a > treat. > > Regards, > Paul. From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 7:49 am Subject: Re: album speed best is a reel tape machine where you have lots of speeds (actually any if you move it by hand) and the possibility of playing things backwards. Most notably for 'Electronic Meditation'. a. --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > I think the funniest one is the 'slow' version of 'Speed'! > (worth it for the irony, even if the music is much better at 45 rpm) > > I used to have a tape deck that would record from outside sources while in > high-speed dubbing mode. I tried lots of half-speed recordings that way. > Doctor Who sounds almost mournful, and 'The Big Chair' from Tears for Fears > sounds pretty wicked. > But by far the most powerful is a half speed recording of the '12 O'Clock' > segment of 'Heaven and Hell part 2' by Vangelis. The castanets sound like > chains rattling and the vocalists' moanings sound more like souls in > torment! The true essence of HELL in music! > (seriously! You need to try this to believe how spine-chilling it is!) > > Unfortunately that tape deck died off years ago, but now there's digital > alternatives! > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > Speaking of such things....I have always notcied that some of > > the music from > > the Das Madchen maxi single by TD, has been appeared on CDRs > > at the 'wrong' > > speed. From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 10:55 am Subject: 'Fright night' Hi, I was searching for Tangerine Dream in an Internet movie database when I stumbled upon a horror film called 'Fright night' (1985). It is said that Tangerine Dream scored the music for this film. Has anybody of you seen the film or knows more about the music that was used for the movie? Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28686 Re: 'Fright night' rubyconist@y... Fri 8/24/2001 2 KB 28687 Re: 'Fright night' rubyconist@y... Fri 8/24/2001 2 KB 28688 Re: 'Fright night' John Marchington Fri 8/24/2001 3 KB 28689 Re: 'Fright night' Heiko Heerssen Fri 8/24/2001 2 KB From: rubyconist@y... Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 10:57 am Subject: Re: 'Fright night' --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Hi, I was searching for Tangerine Dream in an Internet movie >database when I stumbled upon a horror film called 'Fright night' >(1985). It is said that Tangerine Dream scored the music for this >film. Has anybody of you seen the film or knows more about the music >that was used for the movie? I've seen it long, long time ago and don't remeber much. Back then it seemed like a decent horror film. Sequel sucked, tough... And I'm sorry to say that I can't remeber the music, but I've heard the same thing as you. Regards, TheInfection From: rubyconist@y... Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 10:58 am Subject: Re: 'Fright night' --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Hi, > I was searching for Tangerine Dream in an Internet movie database when I > stumbled upon a horror film called 'Fright night' (1985). It is said > that Tangerine Dream scored the music for this film. Has anybody of you > seen the film or knows more about the music that was used for the movie? > > Heiko From: 'John Marchington' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 11:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Fright night' Hi Heiko, I assume you're referring to the Tom Holland film, with Chris Sarandon, William Ragsdale and Roddy McDowall in it. The music was by one Brad Fiedel. An excellent horror-movie. I have it on both VHS and DVD. Sorry to disappoint you. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:55 PM Subject: [tadream] 'Fright night' > Hi, > I was searching for Tangerine Dream in an Internet movie database when I > stumbled upon a horror film called 'Fright night' (1985). It is said > that Tangerine Dream scored the music for this film. Has anybody of you > seen the film or knows more about the music that was used for the movie? > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 11:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Fright night' > I assume you're referring to the Tom Holland film, with Chris Sarandon, > William Ragsdale and Roddy McDowall in it. The music was by one Brad Fiedel. > > An excellent horror-movie. I have it on both VHS and DVD. > > Sorry to disappoint you. Yes it is the film you are talking about. I also just noticed that the soundtrack LP is up for grabs on eBAY and there is no mention of TD but of other acts like J. Geils Band etc. I assume that TD scored some music for the film but that the producers decided not to use it. Heiko From: Jens Kilian Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 11:48 am Subject: Re: -Robert Schroeder > From: 'Armin Theissen' [...] > The effect is, indeed, the same when you use a noise generator. > And people get a wrong idea about it: its not the galaxy Cygnus A > which 'sounds' - its just one of a myriad of electromagnetic signals > which are processed by lots of electronics to sound. > > I also remember Schroeder/Weisser's appearance on the Ars Electronica > in Linz/Austria at that time, and the moderator of the german > TV show 'Aspekte' (some arts programme) found that whole idea > really ridiculous. It's not really more ridiculous than, say, lighting a torch in Greece using a mirror and carrying the flame all the way to Australia, at ridiculous cost, instead of using a simple match :-) -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 12:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items > The ting is, with electronic music the sounds are very much part of the > composition. So if you dont pay attention to the sounds from the compser's > point of view, you get........ boring stuff, for example, if you sit there > with your Korgs and use whatever it throws at you. But sounds in them self are of little (or no) value. Its like having a car that might not be the prettiest on the outside, but having superb driving capabilities. What good is it to have a great looking car that have lousy 'inside'. IMHO you will just fool yourself this way. Can you make great music with just great sounds? From my point of view you can't make great music of 'great' sounds only, but you can make great music with 'terrible' sounds only! Alexander From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 1:05 pm Subject: radically off topic - Lem > Bonn. They were pretty amused by the idea to use such a rather > trivial thing as the noise from their antenna for 'music'... Armin, if you haven't done so yet, grab a copy of Stanislaw Lem's 'Glos Pana' (In german: Die Stimme des Herrn). No more smirking over white noise after that ;-) best regards, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28787 Re: radically off topic - Lem Armin Theissen Sun 8/26/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 1:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > But sounds in them self are of little (or no) value. Not really, because sounds are meant to be part of the composition. In electronic music sounds are as important as the melody or the beat. In fact you can have electronic music that has no melody and no beats but still you have great EM. The TDers are themselves great examples of this from the early period (should I say the first third of their career). This is what sets EM apart from pop or many other forms of music. >Its like having a car that might not be the prettiest on the outside, but having superb >driving capabilities. What good is it to have a great looking car that have lousy 'inside'. > IMHO you will just fool yourself this way. I dont understand this analogy....... >Can you make great music with just great sounds? IMO yes you can. Take Vangelis' Beaubourg as an example. Not a great album in everyone's mind but it can be argued that it is, and it is mostly sounds thrown back and forth. Or take Ricochet; long spheric passages with nothing but sounds, not a real melody or what you normally consider 'music'. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 2:44 pm Subject: rushed Didn't they record something like two songs per day, an album in a week? << Subject: Re: rushed ----- Original Message ----- From: > What about the Beatles? What about them? Best regards, Glenn>>> From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 2:51 pm Subject: rushed, etc. Oh, I agree... I was just responding to Glenn about liking only one or two songs on an album, etc. As for liking something at one listen... at the listening station, it's more just to decide whether it might be something I might like - or 'dodging a bullet' and not buying something that I would absolutely hate. As I said, usually not a problem as concerns TD, but I have gotten 'burned' on other bands in the past. Also, have discovered stuff in cases where I didn't listen first and took a chance. Depends on how much money I have in my pocket at the time - and TD ususally wins!!! What you say about an album 'growing on you' is very true indeed. It seems sometimes I'll get an album and I love it at the first instant, and more often it takes a week or more of serious listening to really get into it and appreciate what the artist is saying (and what the music is saying to me). <<>> From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 3:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Deleted Items I think that's one of the things about older TD I like the most - constant evolution of sounds. there is no refrain or coda, it just keeps going in a new direction all the time. yes, the sequences are repetitive in a minimalist way, but they evolve and you don't hear the same sounds again for the entire song duration (is this the definition of 'Berlin School'? I never knew). I think that's what some people meant when they say TD 'sold out' after Underwater Sunlight- that they went to what some people consider a more 'commercial' format - actually having verses and refrains as part of the musical structure, which is a completely different argument than what korg, dx-7 or atari sounds they were using that may have been commonly in use at the time by their contemporaries or proteges. i also submit that they were the product of their art, as much as their art was the product of them. creating music for a movie or TV soundtrack (which they had been doing more and more of at that time) is way different than for a stand-alone album. you have to deal not only with different time formats, but you are not the instigator of the creativity- you are *reacting* to the visuals by applying music to them. I forget which famous director it was that said directing for TV was *WAY* different than for movies because you had to format an episode to include the commercial breaks, and you only had so much time per hour to present a complete idea (like 40 minutes per hour). OH- I remember who it was - it was David Lynch when he was talkiing about directing Twin Palms (I'm almost sure) > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Folkvord (Hype... > >Can you make great music with just great sounds? > > IMO yes you can. Take Vangelis' Beaubourg as an example. Not > a great album > in everyone's mind but it can be argued that it is, and it is > mostly sounds > thrown back and forth. Or take Ricochet; long spheric > passages with nothing > but sounds, not a real melody or what you normally consider 'music'. > From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 3:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] rushed ----- Original Message ----- From: > Didn't they record something like two songs per day, an album in a week? I also heard Barbara Cartland wrote a book each week. Well, if it can be done, and done good, that way why isnt that the standard for most bands? Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 3:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] rushed In a message dated 24/08/01 16:46:44 GMT Daylight Time, glenn@f... writes: > I also heard Barbara Cartland wrote a book each week. > That's maybe why they were so bloody awful [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Victor Rek Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 3:35 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Warsaw Jorge, Did you check to see if they'll have the hot water turned on? They usually do maintenance once a year and it's usually during the summer. See you there at the Irish Pub! Vic -----Original Message----- From: Jorge Figueiredo [SMTP:jorgefig@i...] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 2:23 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Warsaw Hello everyone, I'm leaving to Lisbon in a few hours to get my flight to Warsaw tomorrow. I will meet you guys in the Irish Pub in the day of the concert (and Roger earlier in Krakow). I think I will have time to check my e-mail there, so I'll try to keep informed of any news. gmroger@p... wrote: > > Let's start with the list members going: > 1. Roger Hartopp (& possibly with wife - she's not so sure at the moment!) > 2. Jorge Figuerido (& wife) (Jorge - thanks for your last e-mail, I'll write back as soon as I can) > 3. Vic Rek (but not with wife) > 4. Chris Towers (Look forward to meeting you! - I'm staying at the Belfer, so if you want to see what Communism > used to be like, try there!) > 5. Olle Rundgren > 6. baG (What's your real name?) See you soon, Jorge Figueiredo ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 4:22 pm Subject: Twin Palms? Joe, I think you meant Twin PEAKS. Which was a REALLY cool series. Talking about not following the common format for something, David Lynch is one of those directors who can take the most boring story and give it a sense of mystery and surrealism. A lot of movies you sort of know what to expect - if not from the plot, at least from the visual sequences and so forth. Lynch really makes an effort to break that mold. In this way, Lynch does with visuals what TD is famous for doing with music. James > -----Original Message----- > OH- I remember who it was - it was David Lynch when he was > talkiing about > directing Twin Palms (I'm almost sure) From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 4:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] rushed ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] rushed > In a message dated 24/08/01 16:46:44 GMT Daylight Time, glenn@f... > writes: > > > > I also heard Barbara Cartland wrote a book each week. > > > That's maybe why they were so bloody awful So you actually read them? I assumed they were bad because they were rushed :-) Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 4:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' > I think that's one of the things about older TD I like the most - constant > evolution of sounds. there is no refrain or coda, it just keeps going in a > new direction all the time. yes, the sequences are repetitive in a > minimalist way, but they evolve and you don't hear the same sounds again for > the entire song duration Yeah, that's part of why TD was among the Top 4 EMers back then >(is this the definition of 'Berlin School'? I never > knew). I would say whatever TD did in the ca. 1974-83 period defined Berlin School. Other bands did BS as well but none had it as their trademark as much as TD. > I think that's what some people meant when they say TD 'sold out' after > Underwater Sunlight- that they went to what some people consider a more > 'commercial' format - actually having verses and refrains as part of the > musical structure, which is a completely different argument than what korg, > dx-7 or atari sounds they were using Well, the tools you work with will affect your art. It can't be a coincidence that their music started to change when their tools changed. I am not saying the digital synths made them change their music, but new gear may have helped them in that direction. > creating music for a movie or TV soundtrack (which they had been doing more > and more of at that time) is way different than for a stand-alone album. And one can ask if getting involved in scoring movies was a wise choice. > you have to deal not only with different time formats, but you are not the > instigator of the creativity- you are *reacting* to the visuals by applying > music to them. I think Vangelis has a healthy approach to movie music making. He doesnt always watch the movie he scores! So he is not so limited in his creativity. Up until this summer, Jarre's only movie work (early 70s) was a painful experience for him because he felt limited by pre-made visuals. I have no idea what TD felt about reacting to other person's creative visions. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 4:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] rushed In a message dated 24/08/01 17:44:32 GMT Daylight Time, glenn@f... writes: > So you actually read them? I assumed they were bad because they were rushed > :-) > No. ALLEGEDLY. I do not wish to be associated with reading B.C. Books LMAO Derek (Now, where did I put War and Peace) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Daniel Kim Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 4:53 pm Subject: Sea Of Dreams - Cover Files Greetings, Does anyone know where I can find the original Cover picture files (.jpg ?) for the 6-CDR SEA OF DREAMS release. Unfortunetly, I need to reprint all the covers due to my girlfriend accidently knocking the case into the sink. Yes, she likes T-Dream and she feels bad about it ;) If there is a URL out there, could someone please give it to me. Feel free to email me privately if you wish. Thanks, Dan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28722 Re: Sea Of Dreams - Cover Files Thenite0wl@a... Fri 8/24/2001 2 KB 28730 Re: Sea Of Dreams - Cover Files herold.u@t... Fri 8/24/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 5:39 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Deleted Items well, I don't know for sure that TD really 'was' creating, reacting to the visuals, but I just assumed that it seemed to make sense to score a movie that way. I've seen TV specials on how this is done, but who's to say TD did it that exact way? I don't know. But I think TD were a natural choice for soundtracks due to the emotional tenor of their music, anyway, even it it changed form the feature-length stuff like 'Sorceror' to the 'Cops: Memphis Police' and soap opera stuff. I've had countless people say that their music sounds like a soundtrack to a movie - for non-soundtrack albums. But I think that's a product of 1) it really is soundtrack-like, and 2) most of these people are only used to vocal-laden Top40 garbage that is shovel-fed to them anyway. But about my question of what exactly is 'Berlin School': I understand that TD might have defined it, but would that definition be: Using nested sequences (a hierarchichally nested sequence that incorporates elemnts of another 'child' sequence so that when you change a 'child' sequence, it affects the 'parent' sequence in some way), and running these sequences, tweaking the knobs a little at a time, evolving the music as you go? Marcel? Am I close? > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) [mailto:glenn@f...] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:39 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > > I think that's one of the things about older TD I like the > most - constant > > evolution of sounds. there is no refrain or coda, it just > keeps going in > a > > new direction all the time. yes, the sequences are repetitive in a > > minimalist way, but they evolve and you don't hear the same > sounds again > for > > the entire song duration > > Yeah, that's part of why TD was among the Top 4 EMers back then > > >(is this the definition of 'Berlin School'? I never > > knew). > > I would say whatever TD did in the ca. 1974-83 period defined > Berlin School. > Other bands did BS as well but none had it as their trademark > as much as TD. > > > I think that's what some people meant when they say TD > 'sold out' after > > Underwater Sunlight- that they went to what some people > consider a more > > 'commercial' format - actually having verses and refrains > as part of the > > musical structure, which is a completely different argument > than what > korg, > > dx-7 or atari sounds they were using > > Well, the tools you work with will affect your art. It can't be a > coincidence that their music started to change when their > tools changed. I > am not saying the digital synths made them change their > music, but new gear > may have helped them in that direction. > > > creating music for a movie or TV soundtrack (which they had > been doing > more > > and more of at that time) is way different than for a > stand-alone album. > > And one can ask if getting involved in scoring movies was a > wise choice. > > > you have to deal not only with different time formats, but > you are not the > > instigator of the creativity- you are *reacting* to the visuals by > applying > > music to them. > > I think Vangelis has a healthy approach to movie music > making. He doesnt > always watch the movie he scores! So he is not so limited in > his creativity. > Up until this summer, Jarre's only movie work (early 70s) was > a painful > experience for him because he felt limited by pre-made > visuals. I have no > idea what TD felt about reacting to other person's creative visions. > > Best regards, > Glenn > > www.electronicshadows.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28709 Re: Deleted Items Marcel Engels Fri 8/24/2001 3 KB From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 5:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items > > > But sounds in them self are of little (or no) value. > > Not really, because sounds are meant to be part of the composition. In > electronic music sounds are as important as the melody or the beat. In fact > you can have electronic music that has no melody and no beats but still you > have great EM. The TDers are themselves great examples of this from the > early period (should I say the first third of their career). This is what > sets EM apart from pop or many other forms of music. This is something I hate with much EM, there is so much 'sound pornography'. Take albums like 'substrata' from Biosphere (which btw you gave top grades in the same issue as GC if im not wrong). This album has very little real composition and much sfx. Are you really going to listen to these sfx in 20 years? How can such a lousy album (from an compositional perspective) get such awesome reviews from everyone? I think the album has a very good athmosphere, but is it good MUSIC?. It might be good in a nature programme on TV, but I can't think how one is supposed to really enjoy that album over an extended period. BTW even though TD sometimes has little melody or beats, it also has great sequencing. Sequencing for me is a hybrid of a beat and a melody. The earliest of TD albums are of little value for me, as it can often be just 'sounds'. They have neither melody, beats or sequences. > > >Its like having a car that might not be the prettiest on the outside, but > having superb > >driving capabilities. What good is it to have a great looking car that have > lousy 'inside'. > > IMHO you will just fool yourself this way. > > I dont understand this analogy....... what I meant that you might think you had an awesome car, just because the way it looked - not the way it performed. > > >Can you make great music with just great sounds? > > IMO yes you can. Take Vangelis' Beaubourg as an example. Not a great album > in everyone's mind but it can be argued that it is, and it is mostly sounds > thrown back and forth. Or take Ricochet; long spheric passages with nothing > but sounds, not a real melody or what you normally consider 'music'. Richochet HAS great composition all the way, Beauburg has not. What is so great about TD is that they can actually compose not just thow sounds around which can be the case with some EM. Alexander From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 6:34 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Twin Palms? haha - yes, Twin Peaks ;-) Lynch is great. I'm a big fan. Blue Velvet is one of my faves, of course Eraserhead is a cult classic, and Dune, as frought with holes as it was, may not have been what it was without Lynch's touch... I missed Twin Peaks, buthave considered picking it up many times at the video store... I am not an animal!!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:22 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: [tadream] Twin Palms? > > > Joe, > > I think you meant Twin PEAKS. > > Which was a REALLY cool series. > > Talking about not following the common format for something, > David Lynch is > one of those directors who can take the most boring story and > give it a > sense of mystery and surrealism. A lot of movies you sort of > know what to > expect - if not from the plot, at least from the visual > sequences and so > forth. Lynch really makes an effort to break that mold. > > In this way, Lynch does with visuals what TD is famous for > doing with music. > > James From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: end of auction hi my auction is over, thanks to everyone who bid. a few items did not get bid on so i have offered them at a reduced price (1 bid wins) http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/auction.htm Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 7:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Deleted Items > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > > But about my question of what exactly is 'Berlin School': I > understand that > TD might have defined it, but would that definition be: > > Using nested sequences (a hierarchichally nested sequence that > incorporates > elemnts of another 'child' sequence so that when you change a 'child' > sequence, it affects the 'parent' sequence in some way), and running these > sequences, tweaking the knobs a little at a time, evolving the > music as you > go? Marcel? Am I close? :-) Don't understand the nested and child sequences but that last thing comes pretty close yes. Perhaps you can divide Berlin School into sub genres... there's the ambient/only noises genre , there's lots of rhythm genre, the combining of the 2...structured BS. Uhh oh you were talking to another Marcel. :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 7:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > This is something I hate with much EM, there is so much 'sound pornography'. Take albums > like 'substrata' from Biosphere That's a prime example of how sounds can be used in composition. Composition is not only about melodies, beats and chord changes, but in EM the sounds themselves are very important because they define the music as much as other things. Ask any EM composer and he'll say he pay alot of attention to sound design and that he could ever replace his synth sounds with trumpets or guitars. So this is not my opinion, it's a fact of EM composing. >(which btw you gave top grades in the same issue as GC if im not wrong). I probably did, and Substrata has been hailed by ambient fans as one of the best ambient albums ever so I am not alone. >This album has very little real composition and much sfx. No! :-) I have interviewed Biosphere (aka Geir Jenssen) once and he described in detail how sounds are shaped and processed to complete his vision of a track, much like classical composers shaped the notes of their symphonies to play the right melody. Sound creation has alot to with composing in EM. Wont any muso's back me up on this? :-) >Are you really going to listen to these sfx in 20 years? How can such a lousy album (from >an compositional perspective) get such awesome reviews from everyone? I think the album >has a very good athmosphere, but is it good MUSIC? I think you have a very different definition of what music is than me, Alexander. Why dont you visit me one day and we can go through some records that have been *composed* with and for sounds. They'll probably be what you call 'nature programme music' :-)) (Nothing wrong about thinking that btw but for many people this is real music.) > BTW even though TD sometimes has little melody or beats, it also has great sequencing. >Sequencing for me is a hybrid of a beat and a melody. The earliest of TD albums are of >little value for me, as it can often be just 'sounds'. They have neither melody, beats or >sequences. I just take it then that you prefer to have some kind of beat and melody in the music. Nothing wrong with that. We dont like everything. But to not call Substrata music is kinda narrow, right? I hate Aqua and think it is noise but I still see it as music. > what I meant that you might think you had an awesome car, just because the way it >looked - not the way it performed. Still dont get how this is related to music........ >Richochet HAS great composition all the way, Beauburg has not. Unless it was Vangelis' pet monkey who recorded Beaubourg, I'd swear it has composition. It is not as random as one might think. >What is so great about TD is that they can actually compose not just thow sounds around > which can be the case with some EM. I agree that some EM artists are better at sound programming than composing, and some artists are better at composing than sound programming, and some EM artists are better at making pizza than composing, but the good ones can do everything of the above, and minimum requirements should be to know both sound design and composing. Nowadays I think TD can only make good pizza, if you know what I mean. I dont mean to insult hardcore fans but to me TD these days dont meet the minimum requirements. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' > But about my question of what exactly is 'Berlin School': I understand that > TD might have defined it, but would that definition be: > > Using nested sequences (a hierarchichally nested sequence that incorporates > elemnts of another 'child' sequence so that when you change a 'child' > sequence, it affects the 'parent' sequence in some way), and running these > sequences, tweaking the knobs a little at a time, evolving the music as you > go? Marcel? Am I close? hehe, a very elaborate definition there. I wont try to be 100% scientific about it but as a general definition my suggestion would be: 'Electronic music based on sequenced musical patterns'. That would make Jarre's Arpegiator a Berlin School piece but Oxygene 4 would not be as that's melody based. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 8:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items But sounds in them self are of little (or no) value. Its like having a car that might not be the prettiest on the outside, but having superb driving capabilities. What good is it to have a great looking car that have lousy 'inside'. IMHO you will just fool yourself this way. Can you make great music with just great sounds? From my point of view you can't make great music of 'great' sounds only, but you can make great music with 'terrible' sounds only! Alexander *You have got to be kidding me. If sounds in themselves are of little or no value then what makes terrible sounds better than great sounds? Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 8:47 pm Subject: Re : Deleted Items Joe, I just wanted to comment that I too have had people tell me that TD's music sounds like soundtrack music. From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 8:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] rushed Liondream@a... writes: > Yeah, but that doesn't mean that everyone can do that successfully. I would have to say that it's obvious to me that the Beatles musical vocabulary is far greater than TD's. When have you ever heard TD use an Aeolian cadence?... they can barely modulate keys...Also (for the most part) when the Beatles went into a studio they had songs worked out and ready to go, TD was more about improv... until the later years that is... Really it's just apples and oranges to compare them. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 8:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items I think that's one of the things about older TD I like the most - constant evolution of sounds. there is no refrain or coda, it just keeps going in a new direction all the time. *Actually this is the same thing I like about 'Berlin School', that evolution of sound and complete abandonment of the verse/chorus/verse structure that seems to dominate every other musical form. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 9:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Deleted Items haha- no I meant you. by the nested sequences thing, I meant sort of like a mathematical formula: sequence 1 = [a+b+c] sequence 2 = [sequence 1]+ x sequence 3 = [sequence 2] + y if you change 'a', it affects all of the sequences being revealed with the volume knob for each (overly simplistic)? > -----Original Message----- > From: Marcel Engels [mailto:mengels@w...] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:27 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] Deleted Items > > > > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > > > > But about my question of what exactly is 'Berlin School': I > > understand that > > TD might have defined it, but would that definition be: > > > > Using nested sequences (a hierarchichally nested sequence that > > incorporates > > elemnts of another 'child' sequence so that when you change > a 'child' > > sequence, it affects the 'parent' sequence in some way), > and running these > > sequences, tweaking the knobs a little at a time, evolving the > > music as you > > go? Marcel? Am I close? > > :-) Don't understand the nested and child sequences > but that last thing comes pretty close yes. > Perhaps you can divide Berlin School into sub genres... > there's the ambient/only noises genre , there's lots of rhythm > genre, the combining of the 2...structured BS. > > Uhh oh you were talking to another Marcel. :-) > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 9:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Deleted Items Ah! glenn! - you would know what I mean: think Flash: you know how you have nested movie clips to make things like trailing mouse cursors? That's what I mean. Imagine one movie clip that is playing a sound, another clip plays a sound that is based upon a variable in the first, then yet another, based upon either the first, second or a factor of both. clear as mud? the point is that you change one variable in the first clip, and that affects a bunch of changes in the rest... I've never twaked a knob in my life (on a sequencer, that is), but I'm trying to imagine how this would work, and if this is the whole Berlin School concept... > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) [mailto:glenn@f...] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:10 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > > But about my question of what exactly is 'Berlin School': I > understand > that > > TD might have defined it, but would that definition be: > > > > Using nested sequences (a hierarchichally nested sequence that > incorporates > > elemnts of another 'child' sequence so that when you change > a 'child' > > sequence, it affects the 'parent' sequence in some way), > and running these > > sequences, tweaking the knobs a little at a time, evolving > the music as > you > > go? Marcel? Am I close? > > hehe, a very elaborate definition there. I wont try to be > 100% scientific > about it but as a general definition my suggestion would be: > 'Electronic > music based on sequenced musical patterns'. That would make Jarre's > Arpegiator a Berlin School piece but Oxygene 4 would not be > as that's melody > based. > > Best regards, > Glenn > > www.electronicshadows.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 9:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Deleted Items yes, I've been on a Ricochet/Tangram/ForceMajeure kick for the last 2 weeks, unable to stop listening to them. what's amazing is how melodic they are - but without any concrete melody! > -----Original Message----- > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 4:46 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items > > > I think that's one of the things about older TD I like the > most - constant > evolution of sounds. there is no refrain or coda, it just > keeps going in a > new direction all the time. > > *Actually this is the same thing I like about 'Berlin > School', that evolution > of sound and complete abandonment of the verse/chorus/verse > structure that > seems to dominate every other musical form. > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 9:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items > *You have got to be kidding me. If sounds in themselves are of little or no > value > then what makes terrible sounds better than great sounds? I never said that! Read my post again. I sad that great sounds dont by them self make good music, but sounds which some people find booring (korg or whatever) may indeed make great music. Alexander From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 9:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items Does any one remember the Mozart Dice game? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Deleted Items > haha- no I meant you. > > by the nested sequences thing, I meant sort of like a mathematical formula: > > sequence 1 = [a+b+c] > sequence 2 = [sequence 1]+ x > sequence 3 = [sequence 2] + y > > if you change 'a', it affects all of the sequences being revealed with the > volume knob for each > (overly simplistic)? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Marcel Engels [mailto:mengels@w...] > > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:27 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [tadream] Deleted Items > > > > > > > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > > > > > > But about my question of what exactly is 'Berlin School': I > > > understand that > > > TD might have defined it, but would that definition be: > > > > > > Using nested sequences (a hierarchichally nested sequence that > > > incorporates > > > elemnts of another 'child' sequence so that when you change > > a 'child' > > > sequence, it affects the 'parent' sequence in some way), > > and running these > > > sequences, tweaking the knobs a little at a time, evolving the > > > music as you > > > go? Marcel? Am I close? > > > > :-) Don't understand the nested and child sequences > > but that last thing comes pretty close yes. > > Perhaps you can divide Berlin School into sub genres... > > there's the ambient/only noises genre , there's lots of rhythm > > genre, the combining of the 2...structured BS. > > > > Uhh oh you were talking to another Marcel. :-) > > > > Marcel > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > > mengels@w... > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 9:27 pm Subject: Elements of music I've been kicked back reading the whole discussion about the various elements of electronic music and so forth, and the bit about how TD is like soundtrack music, building and evolving with no chorus, but a definite direction. WELL, I also happened to be listening to some James Bond soundtracks on random here at work. The particular track was 'Capsule in Space' from _You Only Live Twice_ by John Barry. It has this repeating 'sequence' of harp notes, which sound like they were processed with heavy reverb or recorded in a large, empty auditorium. It has a very ethereal effect. After several repeats of the 'sequence' the theme of the song begins. It repeats several times, each time changing instruments and growing in intensity. This builds until swirling woodwinds and strings bring an aural maelstrom that ends with a thundercrash of trumpets, cymbals, and tympani. To me this is classic 'space' music. It contains all the elements that I like to hear in EM, except of course that all the sounds come from non-electronic sources. James From: Thenite0wl@a... Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sea Of Dreams - Cover Files Hi. So it wasnt a case of you doing the washing -up whilst the girlfriend was in the lounge listening to the TD , then..? !! Cheers, Paul From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 10:00 pm Subject: Beauborg Glenn, I'll second you on that. Isn't that like music concrete, where the 'music' is based on found sounds? <<>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28727 Re: Beauborg Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Medi Fri 8/24/2001 2 KB 28728 Re: Beauborg ampmusic Fri 8/24/2001 4 KB 28731 Re: Beauborg Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Medi Sat 8/25/2001 2 KB 28736 Re: Beauborg ampmusic Sat 8/25/2001 3 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 10:06 pm Subject: rushed I'd say because it's different for every artist. By using the Beatles as an example, I meant that they seemed to work fairly quickly yet their quality arguably speaks for itself, which is to say that one could argue for both sides of the issue: fast vs. slow. I guess in the end duration of creation doesn't matter as much as final product. << Subject: Re: rushed ----- Original Message ----- From: > Didn't they record something like two songs per day, an album in a week? I also heard Barbara Cartland wrote a book each week. Well, if it can be done, and done good, that way why isnt that the standard for most bands? Best regards, Glenn>>> From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 10:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' > Ah! glenn! - you would know what I mean: think Flash: you know how you have > nested movie clips to make things like trailing mouse cursors? That's what > I mean. Imagine one movie clip that is playing a sound, another clip plays > a sound that is based upon a variable in the first, then yet another, based > upon either the first, second or a factor of both. clear as mud? I get it now - but I wouldnt say this nested thing is what defines Berlin School. I thought it was more about the mood and style than technique. What you are talking about may be part of BS of course but to me it isnt all there is to it. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 10:17 pm Subject: apples and oranges Yeah, you're right about that. << Yeah, but that doesn't mean that everyone can do that successfully. I would have to say that it's obvious to me that the Beatles musical vocabulary is far greater than TD's. When have you ever heard TD use an Aeolian cadence?... they can barely modulate keys...Also (for the most part) when the Beatles went into a studio they had songs worked out and ready to go, TD was more about improv... until the later years that is... Really it's just apples and oranges to compare them. Poly>>> From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 10:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Beauborg ----- Original Message ----- From: > Glenn, I'll second you on that. Isn't that like music concrete, where the 'music' is based on found sounds? Yes, musique concrete is music with focus on sounds (usually found, not created ones) rather than composition and creation, but it's still a form of music. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: ampmusic Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 11:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Beauborg OK, here's the facts on 'Beaubourg'. Vangelis had a contract with RCA which he wanted to leave. He wanted to move to another label but was obliged to produce one more album. But he didn't really want to give away a good one, so he hadn't started working on it. Deadlines came and went, RCA called to ask how the album was coming along, Vangelis said 'haven't done it, not really started yet', RCA started to become insistent. The final, final deadline was approaching, RCA called, Vangelis rather surprisingly said 'yes, it's done, and I want all the big execs to come for a preview, because this is going to be my exciting new direction for the future'. Execs sit down, Vangelis emphasises that this is going to be his new direction for the future, 'Beabourg' (which hadn't existed a few days before) emanates from the speakers. Execs depart in horror, RCA contract fulfilled, Vangelis leaves RCA :-) Since he never did a similar album, word is that 'Beaubourg' was improvised in an afternoon. Not that an improvised album couldn't have nice melodies as well as interesting sounds... :-))) BTW, Johannes Schmoelling is back...guess where :-))) Liondream@a... wrote: > Glenn, I'll second you on that. Isn't that like music concrete, where the 'music' is based on found sounds? > > << in everyone's mind but it can be argued that it is, and it is mostly sounds > thrown back and forth. Or take Ricochet; long spheric passages with nothing > but sounds, not a real melody or what you normally consider 'music'. > > Best regards, > Glenn > > www.electronicshadows.com>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 10:50 pm Subject: beatles vs TD >Beatles musical vocabulary is far greater than TD's. When have you ever heard TD use an Aeolian cadence?... they can barely modulate keys...Also (for the most part) when the Beatles went into a studio they had songs worked out and ready to go, TD was more about improv...< Hmm, not really a fan of the beatles here. Fortunately, great music isn't based necessarily on technical proficiency--if it was, allan holdsworth could be a household name. --T np Pete Namlook + Geir _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: herold.u@t... Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 9:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sea Of Dreams - Cover Files Hi Dan, i can mail you the Cover picture files (as .jpg ) for the 6-CDR SEA OF DREAMS release, if that's ok for you. Contact me off-list herold.u@t... cheers, Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Daniel Kim' To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:53 PM Subject: [tadream] Sea Of Dreams - Cover Files > Greetings, > > Does anyone know where I can find the original > Cover picture files (.jpg ?) for the 6-CDR > SEA OF DREAMS release. > > Unfortunetly, I need to reprint all the covers > due to my girlfriend accidently knocking the case > into the sink. Yes, she likes T-Dream and she feels > bad about it ;) > > If there is a URL out there, could someone please > give it to me. Feel free to email me privately > if you wish. > > Thanks, Dan > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Fri Aug 24, 2001 11:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Beauborg ----- Original Message ----- From: 'ampmusic' > OK, here's the facts on 'Beaubourg'. > Since he never did a similar album, Invisible Connections? Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 12:35 am Subject: Re: Deleted Items Hi, Glenn! I was with you on all of your points until I got to your last paragraph: >Nowadays I think TD can only make good pizza, if you know what I mean. I >dont mean to insult hardcore fans but to me TD these days dont meet the >minimum requirements. I guess you could say the point being made, then, is: It is a matter of taste (pardon the pun). I don't consider myself a 'hardcore fan', but I find absolute enjoyment in most all of the diversities of CDs that TD has put out... ...from year one to present. I can easily understand why some people like certain CDs, and some do not. I can also understand why some people like certain periods of TDs long journey as apposed to other periods. Simply, it is a matter of taste. As for the 'minimum requirements' comment, as a newbie, I can only feel that this statement sheds a degraded light of competency on your opinions. Or, maybe, there is some grudge thing going on that I haven't been around long enough to perceive... ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- In the beginning, the universe was created. This made a lot of people very angry, and has been widely regarded as a bad idea. --Douglas Adams From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 12:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Deleted Items Hi Utch, > I guess you could say the point being made, then, is: It is a matter > of taste (pardon the pun). That is always what it is about, isnt it? Differing taste is what makes discussions interesting. > As for the 'minimum requirements' comment, as a newbie, I can only feel > that this statement sheds a degraded light of competency on your > opinions. What do you mean? Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 1:03 am Subject: Re: Deleted Items Hi, again, Glenn! >> I guess you could say the point being made, then, is: It is a matter >> of taste (pardon the pun). > >That is always what it is about, isnt it? Differing taste is what makes >discussions interesting. > >> As for the 'minimum requirements' comment, as a newbie, I can only feel >> that this statement sheds a degraded light of competency on your >> opinions. > >What do you mean? I've really been enjoying reading all the posts in this list! Talk about fun! I've learned quite a lot of peripheral information that I never knew. It's also been fun discovering who's who when it comes to like tastes, etc. I have put weighty thought on most of the information you have put out in past posts, but I perceive that you are biased against TD with your statement: >Nowadays I think TD can only make good pizza, if you know what I mean. I >dont mean to insult hardcore fans but to me TD these days dont meet the >minimum requirements. I don't mean to upset, but to me bias clouds judgement, etc... ...and I favour clear judgement. Knowing my 'taste' for even current TD, I cannot understand your comment that TD doesn't meet the 'minimum requirements'. You are too harsh, or biased... ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- She has given, now she will accept - but she does not take. --Vonda N. McIntyre, The Exile Waiting (1975) From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 1:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Deleted Items Hi Utch, >I have put weighty thought on most of the > information you have put out in past posts, but I perceive that you are > biased against TD with your statement: > > >Nowadays I think TD can only make good pizza, if you know what I mean. I > >dont mean to insult hardcore fans but to me TD these days dont meet the > >minimum requirements. OK, well that was just my way of saying that TD doesnt meet the two important requirements that I think an EM act should meet. I doesnt matter (to me) what else they do good (for example, running a label or making pizza) if they cant compose good tunes and cant design great sounds. I dont think I am biased. I started buying TD in 1989; Dream Sequences was the third non-Jarre electronic album I ever had and I have followed TD during the 90s and have albums from various period of the 90s. Melrose, Rockoon, Turn of the Tides, Goblins Club, Transiberia, Mars Polaris, Dream Mixes 1 and 2, 7 Letters from Tibet etc. I also have alot of their 70s and 80s stuff too of course. So I like to think that my opinions are based on what I have heard, and I dont like all of it. > I don't mean to upset, but to me bias clouds judgement, etc... ...and I > favour clear judgement. Knowing my 'taste' for even current TD, I > cannot understand your comment that TD doesn't meet the 'minimum > requirements'. You are too harsh, or biased... Well if you think the songs are good and the sounds are good, then it's good for you - to me however the sounds are too much of the same, or too Korg-ish, furthermore the song structures are often the same, the concepts are the same, the tunes are not properly developed etc. Lots of elements from skilled music making that I feel TD today doesnt care about. I think they simply lack a producer, someone who can listen to new tracks with fresh ears and say 'now guys, this doesnt work and that needs more phat basslines'. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: ampmusic Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 3:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Beauborg 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'ampmusic' > > > OK, here's the facts on 'Beaubourg'. > > Since he never did a similar album, > > Invisible Connections? > > Best regards, > Glenn > > www.electronicshadows.com Errrrrrr...yes OK. But the apparent stylistic similarity does not go all that deep. 'Beaubourg' is clearly Vangelis sitting, playing live on his analog synths, mainly the Yamaha CS80, which is why it sounds like the opening of a 1980's Klaus Schulze concert :-) 'Invisible Connections', while also very abstract, was, since it was aimed at the classical label Deutsche Grammophon, much more of a serious electro-acoustic composition, with a lot of the textures coming from orchestral percussion instruments. BTW Robert Schroeder is back too... :-))) From: ampmusic Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 3:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Deleted Items 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' wrote: > OK, well that was just my way of saying that TD doesnt meet the two > important requirements that I think an EM act should meet. I doesnt matter > (to me) what else they do good (for example, running a label or making > pizza) if they cant compose good tunes and cant design great sounds. That's totally true. There are some synth composers with good sounds, and some with good compositions. The best have always exhibited both. But you can't get away with having neither :-) TD's sounds in the last 15 years haven't been 'poor'. It's just that they have been mostly presets off whatever synth came out that month, layered together so they're not quite so obvious. That leaves them all rather on the conservative side - there's nothing like the huge, indescribable sounds that Klaus Schulze used to get by patching up a big modular system, AND THEN JUST PLAYING THE SOUND ONCE and going on to another one. And TD were never much good at conventional 'tunes' as such. You only have to hear their attempts at music for scenes set in clubs on several soundtrack albums to hear that. And as others have posted, the degree of real club/DJ style authenticity in Jerome's compositions is very limited. Which leaves not very much. Glenn talks about 'two important requirements'. Suppose the Secret Rulers of the World decided that too many CD's were coming out, and that every artist wanting to issue one had to submit it for consideration, with only a smallish percentage being allowed to go ahead and do so. How much of TD's recent output would pass? :-)))) From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 3:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re ZONING Excellent description Steven. I just got this one recently myself and have been playing it over and over. I would add that it also has a bit of Destination Berlin in it, but the good parts of it, not the so so. Anyway, I would advise Poly to definitely buy it as it seems to be a rarity over here in the USA. I've never seen it in any store. But don't buy it just because you think it'll command a rare price in the future, buy it for the music. It's worth it. 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: scfeldman@j... > Other than two very good Froese/Froese tracks, the rest >of the album is really an Edgar solo album that comes across >like a cross between BEYOND THE STORM and DEADLY CARE. >Overall, largely enjoyable, but it's really the opening track >that you will return to again and again. The overall ambience >of the album, taken as a unit, though, is very nice, with an >austerity reminiscent of POLAND and MIRACLE MILE. > >Steven Feldman > > Any descriptions would be appreciated... > > Thanks, > > Poly > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to >http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 3:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re ZONING Thanks to all for the Zoning tips... I'm signing off and driving over to Circuit City right now! Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 3:46 am Subject: RE: [tadream] interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? Jannssen University hands down the best concert of all. 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'Owens, James' > >'Danger: Live' and 'Danger: Live 2' are top choices (primarily from >Brussels, February and November 1976) > >'Me-Rad' is good (November 8, 1976 Nottingham Albert Hall, UK) > >'Oranges from France' is decent (August 16, 1975 Festival Pop d'Orange, >France) > >If you're willing to venture into more 'modern' (;-)) stuff you should try >out: >'Patrolling Space Borders' from 1977 at the Place des Art in Montreal. >Really excellent stuff from the same era as Stratosfear and Encore. > >James > > Can anyone tell me which other bootlegs from this period are worth > > hunting for? > > > > Thanks! > > > > RJ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28795 Re: interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? chris towers Sun 8/26/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 6:17 am Subject: 'Ground Liftaz' Party on September 21st 2001 'Silver Wings' Berlin 'Ground Liftaz' Party on September 21st 2001 'Silver Wings' Berlin da english link: http://www.ground-liftaz.de/english/indexenglish.html --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28742 'Ground Liftaz' Party on September 21st 2001 'Sil tei waz Sat 8/25/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 6:19 am Subject: 'Ground Liftaz' Party on September 21st 2001 'Silver Wings' Berlin 'Ground Liftaz' Party on September 21st 2001 'Silver Wings' Berlin da english link: http://www.ground-liftaz.de/english/indexenglish.html er this one: http://www.ground-liftaz.de/english/eventenglish.html Next 'Ground Liftaz' Party is coming!!! September 21st 2001, starting 11PM @ 'Silver Wings Club' Columbiadamm 8 @ Airport Tempelhof, Berlin ADMISSION DM 10 (with Flyer DM 8) DJ's: TDJ Rome, Mac Phil, Janoschi Visuals & Effcts by CHI- --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Manuel Moreno Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 6:20 am Subject: About ROBERT SCHROEDER Greetings. I am an admirer of musical work of ROBERT SCHROEDER. I wanted to ask to the friends of this what a list it is known about Robert after their last album D.MO. I also wanted to ask if some friend has the album 'Galaxie Cygnus-A' in his format of compact disk. I have this album in vinyl format, although recently I have known that it was published in compact disk. Somebody has it. Somebody can get me a copy in format of compact disk. I ask for forgiveness for my writing in English. Thank you. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger: Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente - http://messenger.yahoo.es From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 8:35 am Subject: korgish sounds Well, they sound Korg-ish because they are Korgs! At least some of them, to my ears. But what I really wanted to comment on is your mention of song structures being the same... the thought did cross my mind as I've been listening to tons of the newer stuff these past few weeks. Ok, now it's time for this section, good, ok now let's repeat that... I mean, it isn't really as blatant as that... but I HAVE noticed a similarity in structure which made me wonder whether some of the songs may have been fired up from a template on the first session. Which could be yet another interesting thread, plugging into a fixed structure isn't necessarily 'evil' either... I mean there is a similarity in classical music... a concerto, for example with fast-slow-fast movements, and even a symphony. Or in poetry, if you want to write a sonnet, an ode, etc. Thoughts? << Well if you think the songs are good and the sounds are good, then it's good > for you - to me however the sounds are too much of the same, or too > Korg-ish, furthermore the song structures are often the same, the concepts > are the same, the tunes are not properly developed etc. Lots of elements > from skilled music making that I feel TD today doesnt care about. > > I think they simply lack a producer, someone who can listen to new tracks > with fresh ears and say 'now guys, this doesnt work and that needs more phat > basslines'. > > Best regards, > Glenn>>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28757 Re: korgish sounds Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Medi Sat 8/25/2001 3 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 8:51 am Subject: sounds That's also what I was referring to the other week when I went on about specific synths and specific patch names... presets or tweaked presets. It's funny though how many times you fire up a synth and the presets themselves are emulations of TD sounds with patch names such as Froes-en, Franke-ish, Ages, Exit, etc., etc. I think there's even one on my Wavestation called T-Dreamish. Hahaha!!! It's kind of a funny circle in that sense! From that perspective, that was one good aspect about the big modular synths... and even the pre-preset synths... I remember writing down settings on little index cards and mapping out patches for the modular and even when you tried to be as precise as possible in documenting, there was still no guarantee that you'd be able to get the exact same sound. Regarding conventional 'tunes' as such... what you say makes sense. Though I think Chris Franke has made some good strides in the past years as evidenced by some of the 'club' scenes and stylistic music that he created for example, for Babylon 5 and some of the other tv shows and films he does. That was very interesting info about Beauborg, thanks! ampmusic wrote... > TD's sounds in the last 15 years haven't been 'poor'. It's just that they > have been mostly presets off whatever synth came out > that month, layered together so they're not quite so obvious. That leaves > them all rather on the conservative side - there's > nothing like the huge, indescribable sounds that Klaus Schulze used to get > by patching up a big modular system, AND THEN JUST > PLAYING THE SOUND ONCE and going on to another one. > > And TD were never much good at conventional 'tunes' as such. You only have > to hear their attempts at music for scenes set in > clubs on several soundtrack albums to hear that. And as others have posted, > the degree of real club/DJ style authenticity in > Jerome's compositions is very limited. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 9:27 am Subject: sounds and composition To all of those who consider sounds equal to the composition when making music: JMJ has said many times that making music is like painting a picture, so consider this: 1. You are given the best painting tools in the world and a something to paint it on; you just randomly smear the painting on. Have you created something valuable, art or something eternal? 2. The world's best painter uses the same tools. He makes an amazing picture. He has made art. then consider this: 1. You are given the best painting tools in the world and a something to paint it on; you just randomly smear the painting on. Have you created something valuable, art or something eternal? 2. The world's best painter uses some ordinary painttools which everyone can buy at a supermarket. Still, he is able to create something wonderfull, you can enjoy this piece of art - even though it was created by simple tools. - Nomatter what tools you are given the, the worlds best painter will always easily make better art, it does not matter how hard you try. Point is: Its what you create *with* the tools thats important - *not* the tools by them self. For me sounds are just tools which you can build meaningfull things of. The sounds only get importang in conjunction with the composition. If you give a man a simple tool - he might create something wonderfull. If you give a monkey all the best tools in the world, will he still be able to create something at all? Give the man the right tools and he may make a wonder. Alexander btw, all this only IMHO offcoarse, and I appriciate our differences on this matter ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28747 Re: sounds and composition Dennis Nigbur Sat 8/25/2001 4 KB 28749 Re: sounds and composition Marcel Engels Sat 8/25/2001 2 KB 28756 Re: sounds and composition Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Medi Sat 8/25/2001 4 KB 28758 Re: sounds and composition Alexander Bjelke Sat 8/25/2001 3 KB 28783 Re: sounds and composition j.gordon Sun 8/26/2001 5 KB 28759 Re: sounds and composition Alexander Bjelke Sat 8/25/2001 3 KB 28760 Re: sounds and composition Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Medi Sat 8/25/2001 2 KB 28761 Re: sounds and composition Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Medi Sat 8/25/2001 3 KB 28765 Re: sounds and composition Alexander Bjelke Sat 8/25/2001 3 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 9:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition However, someone who looks at a work of art doesn't see the paintbrushes. Someone who listens to a piece of music hears the sounds as an integral part of the work itself. And I think that was the point. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' To: Sent: 25 August 2001 10:27 Subject: [tadream] sounds and composition > To all of those who consider sounds equal to the composition when making music: > > JMJ has said many times that making music is like painting a picture, so consider this: > > 1. You are given the best painting tools in the world and a something to paint it on; you just randomly smear the painting on. Have you created something valuable, art or something eternal? > > 2. The world's best painter uses the same tools. He makes an amazing picture. He has made art. > > then consider this: > > 1. You are given the best painting tools in the world and a something to paint it on; you just randomly smear the painting on. Have you created something valuable, art or something eternal? > > 2. The world's best painter uses some ordinary painttools which everyone can buy at a supermarket. Still, he is able to create something wonderfull, you can enjoy this piece of art - even though it was created by simple tools. > > - Nomatter what tools you are given the, the worlds best painter will always easily make better art, it does not matter how hard you try. > > Point is: Its what you create *with* the tools thats important - *not* the tools by them self. For me sounds are just tools which you can build meaningfull things of. The sounds only get importang in conjunction with the composition. If you give a man a simple tool - he might create something wonderfull. If you give a monkey all the best tools in the world, will he still be able to create something at all? Give the man the right tools and he may make a wonder. > > > Alexander > > btw, all this only IMHO offcoarse, and I appriciate our differences on this matter ;-) > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 9:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items Why all this bitching about GC? Am I the only person on the list who likes that album? Much more than Melrose and Rockoon, anyway... Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' To: Sent: 23 August 2001 20:42 Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > > > How long is it since you last listened to GC? > > Very long. Too long I guess. But I dont think I will change my mind much as > that have not been the case with other albums. I listen sometimes to Rockoon > and Melrose and MP, the only 90s albums I actually like so far but I dont > 're-discover' them. > > > I have the fealing many people get turned off just because of the sound of > the album. > >I personally don't care much for the 'sounds', > > The ting is, with electronic music the sounds are very much part of the > composition. So if you dont pay attention to the sounds from the compser's > point of view, you get........ boring stuff, for example, if you sit there > with your Korgs and use whatever it throws at you. > > >but I know people that dont like it because it sounds to much 'Korg' or or > something like that. > > Exactly. > > >What is it that make GC worse than Yanni for you Glenn? The sounds or the > composition? > > They are in many cases the same. But - yes, both. > > Best regards, > Glenn > > www.electronicshadows.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 9:42 am Subject: RE: [tadream] sounds and composition > From: Alexander Bjelke [mailto:bjelkea@o...] > > - Nomatter what tools you are given the, the worlds best painter > will always easily make better art, it does not matter how hard you try. There is no better or worst art imo... It's all personal...if everyone think that he is the best artist but I disagree and find the other better then who is right? Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: horrod6 Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 12:12 pm Subject: Re: Lousy albums etc. I agree with you totally, Alexander. For example, when I first bought albums that are now regarded as classics, like Tangram and Hyperborea, I really didn't like them much - they were so much more 'commercial' (i.e. accessible) than the TD I'd heard previously, like Phaedra and Rubycon. It didn't take me long to come to love them though. I usually reckon it takes me three listens to form a lasting opinion of an album. But even that 'lasting' opinion will change over time, as I change, and as other people show me new ways of hearing things. For example, I didn't play Cyclone for twenty years because I didn't like the vocals - thus missing out on the glory that is Madrigal Meridian. Then a discussion on this list caused me to go back and give it another try.... thanks, guys! LnH Marion From: horrod6 Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 12:37 pm Subject: Re: deleted items Dennis, you are not alone. I like GC too. As I have said before, my faves vary from one day to the next, but I have 'GC days' more often than I have 'Rockoon days'. (Or 'Zeit days' for that matter!) In fact, I think I'll go and put it on right now, just to remind myself what I'm talking about. LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28794 Re: deleted items chris towers Sun 8/26/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 12:31 pm Subject: GC >Why all this bitching about GC? Am I the only person on the list who likes >that album?< I liked that one quite a bit when I first heard it. At the time of its release, if I remember correctly, I thought it was 'up there' for recent TD. Certainly amongst the better non-soundtrack releases from Rockoon through Tournado. And for me at least, perhaps all the way back to Underwater Sunlight. GC signaled a welcome change in direction (certainly more so than The Dream Mixes--although there were hints there, too) not unlike the signals hinted at by their soundtrack work in Miracle Mile when it came out way back in 1989. Those two releases, GC and Miracle Mile, gave me much more hope that TD had plenty left to say. --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'RJ' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 12:36 pm Subject: bootlegs Being new to the world of TD bootlegs, a few questions arose while reading the related messages. 1. Royal Albert Hall (Ruby in the Sky) is not the same as Nottingham Albert Hall (Me Rad), right? 2. What was the concert and the name of the bootleg that Ricochet part II is an exerpt from? 3.I could find hardly anything about Live/Improvised in this forum. Personally, I think it's one of the best gigs TD ever did, better than Ruby in the Sky. Am I the only one with this opinion? RJ From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 12:45 pm Subject: TD in Philly For those of you interested in the TD show in Philadelphia on Oct. 20, I have been checking the TLA website and calling the box office to find out about tickets. They still don't have TD on their schedule yet (despite the fact they do have other shows after Oct. 20 listed). I will keep checking back periodically and let the list know as soon as I know something about the tickets. BTW, there was some earlier discussion about the TLA having no seating...just standing room. Well, apparently that varies. For example, there is an upcoming Ray Davies show which is 'reserved seating only.' So, we'll have to see how they handle TD. Vince Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28803 Re: TD in Philly GCall10692@a... Sun 8/26/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 12:51 pm Subject: quoting my self >Those two releases, GC and Miracle Mile, gave me much more hope that TD had >plenty left to say. And certainly the new material released from 1998 though present, to me at least, has been much stronger. --T (speculating the 2001 US tour will generate a live album release with the usual accompaniment of b1tching about doctoring here ;) and no speculation needed--my apparent need to kiss some a$$ this morning) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 1:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > To all of those who consider sounds equal to the composition when making music: > JMJ has said many times that making music is like painting a picture, so consider this: > 1. You are given the best painting tools in the world and a something to paint it on; you just >randomly smear the painting on. Have you created something valuable, art or something eternal? Well, alot of 'art' does indeed look like someone smeared the painting randomly, right? hehe Let me extend your analogy: If the brushes are synths, the colours in a painting are the sounds of a song. So even if you randomly smear painting on a canvas, if you have the right combination of colours you can get something interesting. But of course, most art or music isnt random (even tho inspiration can happen randomly), and I am not saying that putting random sounds together necessarily makes great music, but music with primarly sounds that have been shaped and put together in a concious way (without melody nor beat) can be wonderful. > - Nomatter what tools you are given the, the worlds best painter will always easily make >better art, it does not matter how hard you try. Like Dennis said, in a painting you dont see the tools, only the end result. But in music you hear the sounds, hear the structure, hear the technology, so the tools become much more important. In my early teens I had a Casio keyboard, one of those el-cheapo ones for kids. One-finger chords, preset rythms and you could layer two sounds to get new 'cool sounds'. I very much doubt anyone could make anything good with that one. > Point is: Its what you create *with* the tools thats important - *not* the tools by them self. I agree that the end result is more important, but one could also say that the end result is a combination of the individual elements you are working with, hence the tools themselves gets important. >For me sounds are just tools which you can build meaningfull things of. The sounds only get >importang in conjunction with the composition. To some extent I agree, but I claim that Substrata has been composed, you claim it is more or less random sounds, so did we get any further? :-) Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] korgish sounds ----- Original Message ----- From: > I mean, it isn't really as blatant as that... but I HAVE noticed a similarity > in structure which made me wonder whether some of the songs may have been > fired up from a template on the first session. I wouldnt go so far as to say I think they have been using actual templates. But like you say, I think too many songs have more or less the same structure. > Which could be yet another interesting thread, plugging into a fixed > structure isn't necessarily 'evil' either... I mean there is a similarity in > classical music... a concerto, for example with fast-slow-fast movements, and > even a symphony. Or in poetry, if you want to write a sonnet, an ode, etc. I thought electronic music was about using ideas, concepts and techniques not found in other genres. To break free from classical or traditional thinking in terms of musical structure. It could be interesting to (for once) apply strict concerto rules to electronic music but that's not what EM is about. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 1:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition Is randomly smearing out painting art? Art is about making things not done before. Everyone can smear painting on a paper, but I would not call it art. Atleast that is what I think. If everything can be considered art, then the term art loses it's meaning and value IMHO. (ofcoarse there is no such thing as the wolds best painter, I was just making an example) Alexander > > From: Alexander Bjelke [mailto:bjelkea@o...] > > > > - Nomatter what tools you are given the, the worlds best painter > > will always easily make better art, it does not matter how hard you try. > > There is no better or worst art imo... > It's all personal...if everyone think that he is the best > artist but I disagree and find the other better then who is > right? > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28783 Re: sounds and composition j.gordon Sun 8/26/2001 5 KB From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition Wrong. Ofcoarse the looker admires the ingenius use of colors, shadows and perspective. And there are several uses of paintbrushing to get lots and lots of different effects. While you dont see the brushes themself, you see the product of what they do - just like musical instruments. You can't just sit and look and at an instrument and think there will be music. You must use the instrument to get the desired effects, just like the brushes. It seems we have very different views about what a tool is; I think of the tools are both the musical gear and the sounds while it seems many of you only think the musical gear is the tool. Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Dennis Nigbur' To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > However, someone who looks at a work of art doesn't see the paintbrushes. Someone who listens to a piece of music hears the sounds as an integral part of the work itself. And I think that was the point. > > Dennis From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 1:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' >I think of the tools are both the musical gear and the sounds while it seems many of > you only think the musical gear is the tool. Yeah, the sounds in EM are part of the art, not a tool in themselves. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 1:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > Is randomly smearing out painting art? Alot of the stuff you find in galleries *are* more or less random. Those things arent art? The gallery owners would be sad to hear that. > Art is about making things not done before. Then there is not much art in this world. I think that is a very narrow definition (and it also makes Metamorphoses art, hehe) >Everyone can smear painting on a paper, but I would not call it art. Art is often defined by the intention behind it, not the piece itself. If you simply smear paint on a canvas and exhibit it, it may not be art but if you smear paint on a canvas because you are trying to tell the world something, then it becomes art. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 2:09 pm Subject: Re: Goblins' Club (was 'deleted items') In a message dated 8/25/01 5:44:49 AM, Dennis@m... writes: >Why all this bitching about GC? Am I the only person on the list who likes >that album? It's one of my favorite TD albums of the '90s. But then, I also like 'Tyranny of Beauty,' so what do I know? ;) --Daniel From: vic rek Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 3:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lousy albums etc. > example, I didn't play Cyclone for twenty years because I didn't like > the vocals - thus missing out on the glory that is Madrigal Meridian. > Then a discussion on this list caused me to go back and give it another > try.... thanks, guys! > > Marion Funny you mention Madrigal Meridian. I was just listening to it yesterday in my car and thinking about that final leg of the drive to the Swamp with you. Nice memories! Vic From: vic rek Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 3:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Warsaw The Irish Pub seems to be the meeting place that the Polish TD group decided to choose. Some of the folks speak English, so it shouldn't be a problem communicating with them (English or not ;-). Vic gmroger@p... wrote: > Hello everyone - I hope it's nice to be back, judging by all the digests I've waded through (some very silly topics > seem to have cropped up recently). So, I'll make sure I'll make no spelling mistakes and stick to something nice > and neutral, with no threat of unsubscribing from the list (Do I qualify as a lurker?), so I'll make it Warsaw (which > seems to have been a very quiet topic!) > > > In the connection with Tangerine Dream's Warsaw Concert I want to propose > > you a meeting before and after the performance. We choose to meet in Irish > > Pub at Miodowa 3 about 5.30 pm. From this place we can walk to > > Swietokrzyski Bridge, it's 20 minutes far away from pub. You can take a > > look at photos of Irish Pub here: > > http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/Page10084/page100842.html > > If you have any questions feel free to contact me offlist or by icq. > > > > regards from Poland > > -- > > baG > > Will this be the same place where all the members of the Polish list will be? Might be a little daunting for us > foreigners. But if everyone's happy with that, I'll go for it. > > -Roger Hartopp > From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 3:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > > >I think of the tools are both the musical gear and the sounds while it > seems many of > > you only think the musical gear is the tool. > > Yeah, the sounds in EM are part of the art, not a tool in themselves. > I *never* said the sounds are not part of the art, because they are - just like the colors in a picture is part of the art. The sounds become a part of the art, when they are used in a meaningfull way. They are IMHO *not* art in themself. They are tools from which you can make art, but they are not art from the beginning. I guess this is where we don't agree ;-) Alexander From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > > Is randomly smearing out painting art? > > Alot of the stuff you find in galleries *are* more or less random. Those > things arent art? The gallery owners would be sad to hear that. It may seem random to you, but if you asks the one who made the art I am sure he / she can point out the meaning of it. I think gallery owners would be extremly sad if you said that their art was just random junk with no meaning behind it. I have never heared that art are more or less random, where do you get that from? > > > Art is about making things not done before. > > Then there is not much art in this world. I think that is a very narrow > definition (and it also makes Metamorphoses art, hehe) > > >Everyone can smear painting on a paper, but I would not call it art. > > Art is often defined by the intention behind it, not the piece itself. If > you simply smear paint on a canvas and exhibit it, it may not be art but if > you smear paint on a canvas because you are trying to tell the world > something, then it becomes art. But then it isn't random! How can you tell something by just being random (random smearing painting)? (well I guess you can in some cases, but most often not). Most art have a meaning or message. Then you aren't just using the tools randomly, but you have used the tools to create something. There is an intention behind it. Then you might have made art. Alexander From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 3:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition It merely boils down to differences in opinion about what composition is. In classical music and many other forms of music, readily available sounds, such as that of the violin and of the piano, are indeed used as tools for composition, with the compositional work in itself being the construction of rhythm, melody and harmony. From that perspective, your analogy about colours, shadows and perspective in art would be fitting. But I think the point of the initial contribution was that the synthesiser changed this traditional pattern somewhat. In electronic music, the synthesisers (the paintbrushes, which you cannot see) are used in a first stage of composition to create sounds (the colours and brush-strokes which you CAN see, as you said), which in themselves add up to create a piece of music (the finished painting). This is the reason why so many of us argue that the creation of sounds is so important to electronic music. I suspect it may also be the reason why a lot of early, experimental electronic music was more akin to a sonic tapestry than any composition in a classical or rock sense of the word. Over time, the latter aspect may have changed, and I would agree with you to the extent that the current trend in electronic (or just TD?) music seems to be to try to achieve compositional beauty in more traditional terms of melody and harmony (making the sounds, as you argue, merely tools for the composition of melody). However, what made electronic music a genre unto itself was the composition of sounds (with the synthesiser as the tool and the sounds being a compositional product in themselves). No one is trying to deny that sounds are indeed tools for the composition of melody. But they are not 'just' tools. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' To: Sent: 25 August 2001 14:30 Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > Wrong. Ofcoarse the looker admires the ingenius use of colors, shadows and perspective. And there are several uses of paintbrushing to get lots and lots of different effects. While you dont see the brushes themself, you see the product of what they do - just like musical instruments. You can't just sit and look and at an instrument and think there will be music. You must use the instrument to get the desired effects, just like the brushes. It seems we have very different views about what a tool is; I think of the tools are both the musical gear and the sounds while it seems many of you only think the musical gear is the tool. > > Alexander > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > > > > However, someone who looks at a work of art doesn't see the paintbrushes. Someone who listens to a piece of music hears the sounds as an integral part of the work itself. And I think that was the point. > > > > Dennis > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Bjelke >Point is: Its what you create *with* the tools thats important - *not* the tools by them self. For me sounds are just tools which you can build meaningfull things of. I consider the devices that produce the sounds to be the tools, not the sounds themselves. As with any tool, you can create good or bad sounds. And as Marcel says, which is which depends upon personal taste. Cheers, Bill From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > I *never* said the sounds are not part of the art, because they are I mean sounds are art in themselves, because the composers pay special attention to them and shape them to fit the song. >The sounds become a part of the art, when they are used in a meaningfull way. So we just disagree what a meaningfull way is then? :-) Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > It may seem random to you, but if you asks the one who made the art I am sure he / she can point > out the meaning of it. The meaning can be in the intention behind it, not the work itself. If something is randomly applied, it can still have a meaning. Having a meaning doesnt mean its not random. >I think gallery owners would be extremly sad if you said that their art was just random junk >with no meaning behind it. I said that! :-) >I have never heared that art are more or less random, where do you get that from? From alot of artists, mainly painters. > > Art is often defined by the intention behind it, not the piece itself. If > > you simply smear paint on a canvas and exhibit it, it may not be art but if > > you smear paint on a canvas because you are trying to tell the world > > something, then it becomes art. > > But then it isn't random! Yes it can be!! :-) Having a meaning for something doesnt erase the possibility of the artpiece being random. A meaning or 'message' does not force structured 'meaningful' art that looks like an object or person. In fact even a beautiful painting of an animal can be either art or junk, depending on the intention behind it. >How can you tell something by just being random (random smearing painting)? Artists can say alot of things with alot of stuff they make. The problem is that the viewer doesnt understand what the artist is trying to say. That doesnt make it less of an artwork. >Most art have a meaning or message. Then you aren't just using the tools randomly, but you have > used the tools to create something. There is an intention behind it. Then you might have made art. You can still use random tools, random sounds or random colours to make art with an artistic intention. (And I said in my previous post that art is art when it has an intention behind it, so no need to make that point again, hehe) My point is, and this is where the discussion started: Alexander doesnt think Substrata is art or good music because it is 'random sounds without proper structure' (something to that effect). Well, any artpiece like Substrata can be art and GOOD MUSIC if there is an artistic or honest intention behind it. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: Felna Greymane Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 6:14 pm Subject: Rambling conversation (was Deleted Items) I also really like GC and put it in my top 3 commercial releases of the 90's. For some reason, the majority of this list has always had it in for GC...I never have really understood why. Of course the majority of the list likes DM1 also, which I consider mostly drivel. There are a few here that like GC but they aren't the vocal majority. Jeff >Why all this bitching about GC? Am I the only person on the list who likes that album? Much more than Melrose and Rockoon, anyway... > >Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28786 Re: Rambling conversation (was Deleted Items) Dennis Nigbur Sun 8/26/2001 3 KB 28793 Re: Rambling conversation (was Deleted Items) chris towers Sun 8/26/2001 2 KB From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition If you consider making sounds an artwork itself, then I *agree* that a sound can be art - but only in regards to the artwork of *making a sound*. You can't just take such sounds and with just random notes make *musical art* too. So if we split EM composition in these two artforms then I think I agree with most people here! In other words a classic EM composition should have equeal qualities in *both* artforms. Are we nearing an agreement perhaps? :-) Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Dennis Nigbur' To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > It merely boils down to differences in opinion about what composition is. In classical music and many other forms of music, readily available sounds, such as that of the violin and of the piano, are indeed used as tools for composition, with the compositional work in itself being the construction of rhythm, melody and harmony. From that perspective, your analogy about colours, shadows and perspective in art would be fitting. > > But I think the point of the initial contribution was that the synthesiser changed this traditional pattern somewhat. In electronic music, the synthesisers (the paintbrushes, which you cannot see) are used in a first stage of composition to create sounds (the colours and brush-strokes which you CAN see, as you said), which in themselves add up to create a piece of music (the finished painting). > > This is the reason why so many of us argue that the creation of sounds is so important to electronic music. I suspect it may also be the reason why a lot of early, experimental electronic music was more akin to a sonic tapestry than any composition in a classical or rock sense of the word. Over time, the latter aspect may have changed, and I would agree with you to the extent that the current trend in electronic (or just TD?) music seems to be to try to achieve compositional beauty in more traditional terms of melody and harmony (making the sounds, as you argue, merely tools for the composition of melody). However, what made electronic music a genre unto itself was the composition of sounds (with the synthesiser as the tool and the sounds being a compositional product in themselves). No one is trying to deny that sounds are indeed tools for the composition of melody. But they are not 'just' tools. > > Dennis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > To: > Sent: 25 August 2001 14:30 > Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > > > > Wrong. Ofcoarse the looker admires the ingenius use of colors, shadows and perspective. And there are several uses of paintbrushing to get lots and lots of different effects. While you dont see the brushes themself, you see the product of what they do - just like musical instruments. You can't just sit and look and at an instrument and think there will be music. You must use the instrument to get the desired effects, just like the brushes. It seems we have very different views about what a tool is; I think of the tools are both the musical gear and the sounds while it seems many of you only think the musical gear is the tool. > > > > Alexander > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 11:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > > > > > > > However, someone who looks at a work of art doesn't see the paintbrushes. Someone who listens to a piece of music hears the sounds as an integral part of the work itself. And I think that was the point. > > > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > If you consider making sounds an artwork itself, then I *agree* that a sound can be art - >but only in regards to the artwork of *making a sound*. You can't just take such sounds and > with just random notes make *musical art* too. So in your ears Beaubourg is not art? Or any other music with random elements in it? Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 7:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' >Are we nearing an agreement perhaps? :-) But I dont think discussions are for getting people to agree :-) As long as there are such things are 'different opinions' or 'taste' discussions are for sheding light on things, not making the other person agree. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: Daniel Kim Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 8:06 pm Subject: A Sea Of Dreams - Covers Greetings, Thanks to everyone who responded to my ASOD covers request. I now have the covers thanks to several great list members. Thanks guys! So please DO NOT SEND me any more covers. I thank you for your efforts, but I exceeded my Yahoo 6mb file limit last night because so many of you were so generous. Once again thanks to you all. This list rocks! Dan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: all sorts Hey Frank and Rainer Tell us how you first got into TD. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 8:50 pm Subject: (tadream) sounds and composition > From: Alexander Bjelke [mailto:bjelkea@o...] > > - Nomatter what tools you are given the, the worlds best painter > will always easily make better art, it does not matter how hard you try. Alexander, I respect your opinion but disagree To use the English expression 'Are you painting yourself into a corner' meaning you can't get out of the situation you have painted yourself into. Art can be anything you want it to be. Nobody should judge it for anybody else. We can all have our own opinions on it and should respect the opinions of others. Linking that to TD....EF said if you don't like it....................don't buy it. I agree. When I'm doing art I often like to do it as a collaboration or in the company of other artists. But I'm doing the project because I want to. If others like the end result, fine. If not, It doesn't bother me. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 9:04 pm Subject: Groove Before Groove metamorphose into something else I'd like to say thanks for being a library that we could go into and find new possibilities. Without you we would not have as much art............and the world would be a quieter place. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28788 Re: Groove Kees Sun 8/26/2001 2 KB From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Sat Aug 25, 2001 9:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition In my ears Baugurg is not a musically piece of art, but it may be a 'sound-making' piece of art. So if I follow my definition of EM, then it does not qualify for a EM art. Neither does GC or Substrata IMHO. Both have qualities only in 'one dimension'. An EM classic would then IMHO be albums like f.ex Stratosfear and Oxygene. These have qualites in both dimensions. Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > > > > If you consider making sounds an artwork itself, then I *agree* that a > sound can be art - > >but only in regards to the artwork of *making a sound*. You can't just take > such sounds and > > with just random notes make *musical art* too. > > So in your ears Beaubourg is not art? Or any other music with random > elements in it? > > Best regards, > Glenn > > www.electronicshadows.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Greg' Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 1:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition First of all, there is no such thing as human randomness. One might think they are randomly doing something.. but then I ask my computer to spit out five numbers between 1 -100 and it gives 7,8,10,11,99. Randomness is unpredictable and in the form of art, it doesn't exist (or non-objectivity could really exist). Every human has a response to what they are doing and even mistakes cannot be considered random, or anything involved with the act of physics. I think the best meaning I can surmise for what you are trying to say is the idea of doing something without the intent to create order. Art is about creating some sort of order through an intention (even an order achieved through the collection of disorderly parts). Intention is important because it means you have chosen to apply an intelligence to the creation of something. Intention also lies in the ideas of existentialism - the importance of the act of creating, not the final product. IMO, art is not subjective. There is good and bad out there. If we said that all art is equal and only the affect it incurs on others is meaningful is like saying ignorance is bliss. Many people don't have an education on how to appreciate music and visual art. It seems pretty obvious to us who see the ridiculousness of the pop top 40. Digging into the basics of what makes music is important in understanding what makes work and what makes it work well. EM is interesting as an opportunity that was not possible before - a true abstract vocabulary. In its utter simplicity, EM is an abstract pattern of frequencies. Think about it and how TD used to achieve balance.. listen to the pattern or highs, mediums, and lows. A very basic way of making ambient music. Just like in painting which is simply a pattern of darks and lights. Space music truly allowed that organization be the fore-front of importance. Sounds - yes they are very important, just like patterns in a painting.. look at a Van Gogh painting and imagine his impasto marks as sequencing - notice how those marks flow to the forms that create the image? Sounds do carry a sort of visual and colored affect. Notable German artist Kandinsky tried to express music in painting and his use of color and shapes correspond to sounds and frequencies. So can a collection of sounds and not melody create music? Yes.. very much so. I could basically relate traditional music to realism or representational art where as a music genre such as ambient or space music can be like abstract expressionism - artists like Jackson Pollick or Mark Rothko. But very often the greatest aspect of what ambient and space music does for the listener is do exactly what an artist does.. find order.. find something to cling to.. and create in our minds from the raw materials of the creation itself. If anyone asks, I am going to school and majoring in painting (gotta do what I love in the one chance I get!) Greg H. From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 7:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] all sorts [Long! 8-)] Hi David, Assuming that you were talking to me, since I'm the only Frank that's on this list that I know of 8-), I'll response to your question: Well believe it or not, I've only been into to TD for about three years or so, despite the fact that my TD CD/CDR collection has recently surpassed the 200 mark. 8-) [I'm just a pup too. 8-)] Well anyways, for starters, my brother had introduced me to Yanni's 'Reflections Of Passion' which was my first real exposure to instrumental music other than Oldfield's 'Tubular Bells' years before, which quickly led me away from mainstream music, almost altogether today. This first exposure led me to exploring a lot of the other new age artists out there, including Yanni, Enigma, CUSCO, Peter Buffett, Kitaro, Enya and the likes and finally TD. I had seen TD's name here and there and on a whim of curiosity I bought TD's 'Turn Of The Tides' from a second hand bin. Overall I thought 'Turn Of The Tides' wasn't bad, but I was particularly impressed with 'Firetongues'. I thought that it was worthy of second try at another one of theirs. Well, the next one ended up being 'The Private Music Of TD'. I had thought a compilation would be a good starting point and would give me a better idea of what their music was like versus an individual release. Well anyways, I had _actually_ misplaced this CD for about _five months_ and after I happened across it and listened to it, I loved the tracks, 'Roaring Of The Bliss', 'Dolls In The Shadow', 'Electric Lion', 'Melrose' and 'Too Hot For My Chinchilla'. Then I remembered seeing TD's name on a couple other compilations that I had, Miramar One and New Vision's 'Celestial Voyagers'. I then went back and checked it out and sure enough, there was 'Canyon Carver', 'Treasure Of Innocence' and 'Touchwood'. After listening to them I thought to myself, 'Man, these guys are good!' Well, things just snowballed from there, especially after getting a PC! 8-) After going through a period of almost listening to nothing but TD, I was interested in trying out some these other groups that supposedly sounded like or were TD influenced, such as Arcane, Air Sculpture, RMI, Red Shift, Syndromeda and the likes. I've pretty much have spent most of my time and money in the last year and a half exploring this area of electronic music along with some of the more melodic EM by Robert Fox, Code Indigo, Vangelis, David Wright, Frank van Bogaert and on and on. 'On and on.....!', so it seems to wife anyways. 8-) Poor thing, having to live with a music junkie. 8-\ Little did she know what she was getting herself in for twelve years ago. 8-\ Heiko, maybe your wife can take solace in the fact that 'it could be worse!' If she don't believe you or me, just have her ask my wife. I still have one, but barely. [Big grin here!] I just shake my head...... 8-\ You music junkies out there that have wives or girl friends that really do _like_ your music, count yourself lucky! In the air ways as of late has been the highly recommended 'Binary Secrets' by Dom Scab! 8-) From: 'David Foster' To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 2:16 PM Subject: [tadream] all sorts > Hey Frank and Rainer > > Tell us how you first got into TD. > > David > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28789 Re: all sorts [Long! 8-)] Deb H-J Sun 8/26/2001 2 KB From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 8:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition First thanks for this excelent post! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Greg' To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > First of all, there is no such thing as human randomness. One might think > they are randomly doing something.. but then I ask my computer to spit out > five numbers between 1 -100 and it gives 7,8,10,11,99. Computer's randomness are based on algorithm, and will therefor never ever be random - so that can't prove a thing, unless our 'randomengine' also is based on an algorithm. But if human 'randomness' is totaly random or not is not that important if it appear to be random (just like very good computer randomalgorithm) > correspond to sounds and frequencies. So can a collection of sounds and not > melody create music? Yes.. very much so. I could basically relate > traditional music to realism or representational art where as a music genre > such as ambient or space music can be like abstract expressionism - artists > like Jackson Pollick or Mark Rothko. But very often the greatest aspect of > what ambient and space music does for the listener is do exactly what an > artist does.. find order.. find something to cling to.. and create in our > minds from the raw materials of the creation itself. Are there any music based solely upon a collection of sounds that have stood the test of time and that can be considered higly enjoyable? While you might say that Baugburg is music, do you consider it *enjoyable* music just because you might find some kind of order in it? Alexander From: 'j.gordon' Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 9:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition Alexander Bjelke wrote > Art is about making things not done before. hmmm... that seems like only a slice of what art really is... and i think that what you've described is a means to the end of art, not the final product itself... kurt weill once said 'what moves us...is what grips us in all art: heightened experience, the clarified expression of a feeling, humanity.' i think this is one of the most acurate definitions of what the purpose of art is, as opposed to WHAT art is... i believe that ultimately, art, like the brushes or the sounds, is a tool to communicate something and that something being weill's definition... so continuing on, i would have to agree that, in fact, sound does make a Montrous difference in the overall quality and accessibility of a piece of music... consider that pretty much all western classical composers have used the same symphonic instrumentation... but even with the same 'sounds' the seperation of Wager from Stravinsky from Mozart from Schönberg is clear... ask yourself WHY aaron copland has such a different 'sound' than Bach or anyone else who came before... one of the reasons, and not necessarily the main one, is his use of instrumentation... for the first time, really, you have horns taking solo lines... in emusic, i would think it fairly clear that the choice of voice has incredible impact on quality and accessibility... quality and accessibility are where the listener and the composer(s) meet... i've been listening to hundreds of different emusic pieces trying to pick out why some pieces seem to be higher on the Q and A scale than others... one of the main reasons as i can see it is choice of voice... and not just the choice, but the specific cohesion of voices in an emusic piece... for example, take Cottage #3... not a very complex song compositionally, but very high on the Q and A because the voices that have been used work so well together... and here is the crux of my soap boxing: each time you layer a voice in an emusic piece, you are either stepping forward in Q and A, or you are stepping back... even if the audience can't say why, they will respond to a good mix (meaning selection) of voice and a bad one... and this, imho, is where, even today with such split (fan-wise) albums like SLoT, TD still is one of the best in their field... one would be hard pressed in all of their official releases to find a moment where one could say: 'That was a bad choice... that synth melody should be done by the SY99 pan flute sound...' TD is almost unerring in their choice of appropriate and exacting voice... and as a last note: Greg wrote: > Notable German artist Kandinsky tried to express music in painting and his > use of color and shapes correspond to sounds and frequencies. So can a > collection of sounds and not melody create music? listen to schönberg's representation's of kandinsky's work... THEN ask yourself that question... no question of quality, but accessibility, imo, is loooooowwwww... =) j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'Greg' Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 9:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > and as a last note: > > Greg wrote: > > Notable German artist Kandinsky tried to express music in painting and his > > use of color and shapes correspond to sounds and frequencies. So can a > > collection of sounds and not melody create music? > > listen to schönberg's representation's of kandinsky's work... THEN ask yourself > that question... no question of quality, but accessibility, imo, is > loooooowwwww... =) > > j.gordon Oh I am in complete agreement here! I'm not about to read an entire book to understand what the hell is going on! :O) Greg NP: The Beta Band - Monolith (This would probably score low on your Q & A scale as well :) From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 11:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition Yes and no. As was said before, what makes a work of art is, to a large extent, the intention behind the work itself. Therefore, theoretically, even a random pastiche of sound can be a musical work of art (whether it would be accessible and enjoyable is a different matter). I agree with you that Tangerine Dream have succeeded on many occasions over the years to create works that satisfy both the compositional challenges mentioned - sound composition and melody composition. However, and probably due in part to the special role of sound, electronic music has followed a different musical aesthetic over the years. Therefore, while more recent TD music is arguably more melodic than, say, their works from the early to mid-seventies, the latter still correspond to an ideal of composition, even if it is a more specific one than, for example, that of the sonata. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' To: Sent: 25 August 2001 20:10 Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > If you consider making sounds an artwork itself, then I *agree* that a sound can be art - but only in regards to the artwork of *making a sound*. You can't just take such sounds and with just random notes make *musical art* too. So if we split EM composition in these two artforms then I think I agree with most people here! In other words a classic EM composition should have equeal qualities in *both* artforms. Are we nearing an agreement perhaps? :-) > > Alexander > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > > > > It merely boils down to differences in opinion about what composition is. In classical music and many other forms of music, readily available sounds, such as that of the violin and of the piano, are indeed used as tools for composition, with the compositional work in itself being the construction of rhythm, melody and harmony. From that perspective, your analogy about colours, shadows and perspective in art would be fitting. > > > > But I think the point of the initial contribution was that the synthesiser changed this traditional pattern somewhat. In electronic music, the synthesisers (the paintbrushes, which you cannot see) are used in a first stage of composition to create sounds (the colours and brush-strokes which you CAN see, as you said), which in themselves add up to create a piece of music (the finished painting). > > > > This is the reason why so many of us argue that the creation of sounds is so important to electronic music. I suspect it may also be the reason why a lot of early, experimental electronic music was more akin to a sonic tapestry than any composition in a classical or rock sense of the word. Over time, the latter aspect may have changed, and I would agree with you to the extent that the current trend in electronic (or just TD?) music seems to be to try to achieve compositional beauty in more traditional terms of melody and harmony (making the sounds, as you argue, merely tools for the composition of melody). However, what made electronic music a genre unto itself was the composition of sounds (with the synthesiser as the tool and the sounds being a compositional product in themselves). No one is trying to deny that sounds are indeed tools for the composition of melody. But they are not 'just' tools. > > > > Dennis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > > To: > > Sent: 25 August 2001 14:30 > > Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > > > > > > > Wrong. Ofcoarse the looker admires the ingenius use of colors, shadows and perspective. And there are several uses of paintbrushing to get lots and lots of different effects. While you dont see the brushes themself, you see the product of what they do - just like musical instruments. You can't just sit and look and at an instrument and think there will be music. You must use the instrument to get the desired effects, just like the brushes. It seems we have very different views about what a tool is; I think of the tools are both the musical gear and the sounds while it seems many of you only think the musical gear is the tool. > > > > > > Alexander > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 11:40 AM > > > Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > > > > > > > > > > However, someone who looks at a work of art doesn't see the paintbrushes. Someone who listens to a piece of music hears the sounds as an integral part of the work itself. And I think that was the point. > > > > > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 11:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Rambling conversation (was Deleted Items) I'm not a big fan of DM either. Or of Melrose, for that matter, the other much-hailed album of the nineties. My favourites from the 1990s are (in chronological order) Turn of the Tides, Goblins' Club, Oasis, Transsiberia and Mars Polaris. Since we have some of this in common, can you identify with the rest at all? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Felna Greymane' To: Sent: 25 August 2001 19:14 Subject: [tadream] Rambling conversation (was Deleted Items) > I also really like GC and put it in my top 3 commercial releases of the 90's. > > For some reason, the majority of this list has always had it in for GC...I > never have really understood why. Of course the majority of the list likes > DM1 also, which I consider mostly drivel. There are a few here that like > GC but they aren't the vocal majority. > > Jeff > > >Why all this bitching about GC? Am I the only person on the list who likes > that album? Much more than Melrose and Rockoon, anyway... > > > >Dennis > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28793 Re: Rambling conversation (was Deleted Items) chris towers Sun 8/26/2001 2 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 12:56 pm Subject: Re: radically off topic - Lem Should have made more clear that it wasn't *me* who expressed the opinion that the whole idea is ridiculous. ;-) armin --- In tadream@y..., Klaus Beschorner wrote: > > > Bonn. They were pretty amused by the idea to use such a rather > > trivial thing as the noise from their antenna for 'music'... > > Armin, if you haven't done so yet, grab a copy of Stanislaw > Lem's 'Glos Pana' (In german: Die Stimme des Herrn). > No more smirking over white noise after that ;-) > > best regards, > klaus From: Kees Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 1:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Groove At 22:04 25-8-01 +0100, you wrote: >Before Groove metamorphose into something else I'd like to say thanks for >being a library that we could go into and find new possibilities. > >Without you we would not have as much art............and the world would >be a quieter place. > >David Thanks for the kind words David. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: Deb H-J Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 2:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] all sorts [Long! 8-)] Frank: << 8-\ You music junkies out there that have wives or girl friends that really do _like_ your music, count yourself lucky! >> ...or husbands!...let's not forget that some of us are the ones in the family with the e-music passion ;o} Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: quarlie@a... Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 3:51 pm Subject: Re: Subjectivity (was 'sounds and composition') In a message dated 8/25/01 9:58:09 PM, designx@c... writes: >IMO, art is not subjective. There is good and bad out there. If we said >that all art is equal and only the affect it incurs on others is meaningful >is like saying ignorance is bliss. Many people don't have an education on >how to appreciate music and visual art. It seems pretty obvious to us who see >the ridiculousness of the pop top 40. I'm not trying to challenge your opinion here, but I'm just curious: If art is indeed not subjective, what do you believe makes it good or bad? On what criteria do you determine that the ridiculous top 40 is, indeed, verifiably worse than something more cerebral? My personal belief is that while I do like some things more than I like others, I cannot prove that the things I like are in fact 'better' than the things I don't like. --Daniel NP: Northwind--Forever and a Day From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 4:22 pm Subject: dream pizzas! I had a good laugh with that pizza story. At least, TD's pizzas are tasty enough for me. :) And the menu is pretty diverse as well! May be in the end, the problem (if there is a problem) has nothing to do with korg presets and song structures but more with the fact that TD once was a family restaurant and then became a pizza hut over the years! Now, try to picture Edgar cooking the pizzas in the kitchen while Jerome as the delivery boy has to drive as fast as possible in order not to give them away for free! No offense :) (my point was about the production line) Thomas ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) From: 'Thomas' Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 8:42 pm Subject: Re: sounds and composition Hi Alexander and Glenn, Guys, you have chosen the wrong profession. You should be politicians! hehe I have never seen such word-twisting before in my life, it's really entertaining to read. I hadn't read a digest in quite some time due to extensive travelling and other engagements, but happened to sneak a peak a while ago, and I'm hooked! Have to read every one of the emails now :) It's also nice to see that somebody (Marion) brings up how good 'Cyclone' is, especially 'Madrigal Meridian'... :) One of my favorites of all time! So, who's going to see the Minneapolis show??? Seems like First Avenue (the venue) considers it a done deal! Thomas Message: 21 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:51:42 +0200 From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Subject: Re: sounds and composition ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > It may seem random to you, but if you asks the one who made the art I am sure he / she can point > out the meaning of it. The meaning can be in the intention behind it, not the work itself. If something is randomly applied, it can still have a meaning. Having a meaning doesnt mean its not random. >I think gallery owners would be extremly sad if you said that their art was just random junk >with no meaning behind it. I said that! :-) >I have never heared that art are more or less random, where do you get that from? From alot of artists, mainly painters. > > Art is often defined by the intention behind it, not the piece itself. If > > you simply smear paint on a canvas and exhibit it, it may not be art but if > > you smear paint on a canvas because you are trying to tell the world > > something, then it becomes art. > > But then it isn't random! Yes it can be!! :-) Having a meaning for something doesnt erase the possibility of the artpiece being random. A meaning or 'message' does not force structured 'meaningful' art that looks like an object or person. In fact even a beautiful painting of an animal can be either art or junk, depending on the intention behind it. >How can you tell something by just being random (random smearing painting)? Artists can say alot of things with alot of stuff they make. The problem is that the viewer doesnt understand what the artist is trying to say. That doesnt make it less of an artwork. >Most art have a meaning or message. Then you aren't just using the tools randomly, but you have > used the tools to create something. There is an intention behind it. Then you might have made art. You can still use random tools, random sounds or random colours to make art with an artistic intention. (And I said in my previous post that art is art when it has an intention behind it, so no need to make that point again, hehe) My point is, and this is where the discussion started: Alexander doesnt think Substrata is art or good music because it is 'random sounds without proper structure' (something to that effect). Well, any artpiece like Substrata can be art and GOOD MUSIC if there is an artistic or honest intention behind it. Best regards, Glenn From: chris towers Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 5:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rambling conversation (was Deleted Items) I have to admit i am a very big fan of GC.. and yeah i also find DM1 pretty boring and repetitive, DM2 i like very much and i think DM 3 is excellent.. Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: chris towers Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 6:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: deleted items I must confess i do have GC days, sometimes T of B days too, and on occasions when im feeling in a weird mood the Zeit's and Atems go on, but for me the most creative is Logos, has to be the best they have ever done for me ,,,, Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: chris towers Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 6:09 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] interesting bootlegs: any suggestions? Does anyone have any bootlegs they would be willing to offer me recordings of?? ie danger live, danforth ave etc etc, i have a couple of them from Burping Cow productions but not not really anything extensive, im very interested in hearing some... anyone kind enough?? id appreciate it Thanks Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 6:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: sounds and composition ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Thomas' > Guys, you have chosen the wrong profession. You should be politicians! hehe No way! hehe > I have never seen such word-twisting before in my life, it's really entertaining to read. Glad we keep you entertained! :-) Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > In my ears Baugurg is not a musically piece of art, but it may be a 'sound-making' piece >of art. So if I follow my definition of EM, then it does not qualify for a EM art. That's a pitty. Even if Vangelis only composed it to get away from his record label. So what is your definition of 'great electronic music'? Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 6:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > Are there any music based solely upon a collection of sounds that have stood the test >of time and that can be considered higly enjoyable? What is 'a collection of sounds'? You could say Oxygene and Beaubourg are the same sounds, they have just been organised in different ways. So why is one type of organisation better than the other? >While you might say that Baugburg is music, do you consider it *enjoyable* music just because >you might find some kind of order in it? I find Beaubourg enjoyable because I *dont* find appearant order. The 'chaos' of that record is what's appealing. The way it investigates unusual harmonies, unexpected combinations and orders of sounds, sudden twists and weird changes. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 7:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > > So what is your definition of 'great electronic music'? > Great music created with electronic instruments? ;-) Alexander From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 7:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > What is 'a collection of sounds'? You could say Oxygene and Beaubourg are > the same sounds, they have just been organised in different ways. So why is > one type of organisation better than the other? > I don't believe Vangelis had an intention with where he placed the sounds, he just put them there with no thought of actually composing. That is just my oppinion, but for me he did not *compose* that album. He just fiddled with his equipment. All Vangelis albums I own, are strongly structured and focuses on melody - there he has carefully put together the sounds to create structure. There is thought behind every little sound. If you find this chaos so appealing, why not let your computer make all the music for you? Just feed it with sounds, and you'll be happy for ever ;-) Alexander From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 8:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > > So what is your definition of 'great electronic music'? > > Great music created with electronic instruments? ;-) And Beaubourg is not 'great'? Then it all comes down to taste. Which cannot be debated (except if you're talking about Sputnik). Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28812 Re: sounds and composition Geir Smedsrud Mon 8/27/2001 3 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 8:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > > What is 'a collection of sounds'? You could say Oxygene and Beaubourg are > > the same sounds, they have just been organised in different ways. So why is > > one type of organisation better than the other? > I don't believe Vangelis had an intention with where he placed the sounds, he just put them > there with no thought of actually composing. That is just my oppinion, but for me he did not > *compose* that album. OK, so to you it *sounds* 'uncomposed' no matter what Vangelis really did? If you listen to that album, you will hear it is not 100% random, btw. >He just fiddled with his equipment. All Vangelis albums I own, are strongly structured and > focuses on melody - there he has carefully put together the sounds to create structure. > There is thought behind every little sound. Which really is just another technique for composing music. And it is not the sounds that create structure as you say, but the composing. With Beaubourg, the sounds themselves form a structure, but because it is not melodic nor orchestral like other Vangelis music, doesnt mean it's less worthy as music. And structure and melody - as we here in Europe hear it - is just one type of music and not what all people of this planet regard as the best way of making music. So it's not a universal technique. > If you find this chaos so appealing, why not let your computer make all the music for you? >Just feed it with sounds, and you'll be happy for ever ;-) I could do that, and do it to some extent already as the producer of a noise musician, and of course I like nice melodies too (hey, I like Jarre right? hehe) - it's just that I dont see random music or 'sound based music' as less important or lesser art than cute melodies and 4/4 beats. Actually, this discussion is kinda funny because what is considered by many as the best TD years, mid 70s to mid 80s, is the period where TD fiddled more with their sounds and had more weird structures than today - the very elements Alexander doesnt like :-) Alex, you said you also thinks TDs best years were in the past so it's kinda funny that you dont like fiddling so much because that is what TD did when they were at their peak :-)) Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: GCall10692@a... Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 11:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD in Philly In a message dated 8/25/01 8:46:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, vince-l@e... writes: > : vince-l@e... (Vince LeGrand) > thanks Vince,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, GRCall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 5:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] bootlegs > 1. Royal Albert Hall (Ruby in the Sky) is not the same as Nottingham > Albert Hall (Me Rad), right? no, both are quite different from each other. Also 'Ruby in the sky' is from April 2, 1975 and the 'Me-rad' recording is from November 8, 1976. > 2. What was the concert and the name of the bootleg that Ricochet > part II is an exerpt from? Large parts of 'Richochet' were taken from the Croydon Fairfield Hall October 23,1975 recording, there doesn't exist a bootleg Cd or LP, 'only' a tape/cdr. > 3.I could find hardly anything about Live/Improvised in this forum. > Personally, I think it's one of the best gigs TD ever did, better > than Ruby in the Sky. Am I the only one with this opinion? I know that some people on this list think that the London 1975 gig is one of their best, however I would come up with 20+ other live recordings which I think are much better, but that's really just my own opinion ;-) The 'Live improvised' recording from Reims Cathedral 1974 is quite good, especially the first set has its moments. Heiko From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] bootlegs > 1. Royal Albert Hall (Ruby in the Sky) is not the same as Nottingham >? *Speaking of bootleg similarities I was listening to 'Patrolling Space Borders' and it occurred to me that portions of it were from the same radio broadcast as another boot I have whose name escapes me.... but it has the same hilarious moment where a DJ is heard to say 'Is this thing on? IS THIS ON?? Oh. You're listening to Tangerine Dream Live!'.... PSB is made from sveral small cuts, though... is this all from the same concert? Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] bootlegs > *Speaking of bootleg similarities I was listening to 'Patrolling Space > Borders' and > it occurred to me that portions of it were from the same radio broadcast as > another boot I have whose name escapes me.... but it has the same hilarious > moment where a DJ is heard to say 'Is this thing on? IS THIS ON?? Oh. You're > listening to Tangerine Dream Live!'.... PSB is made from sveral small cuts, > though... is this all from the same concert? 'Patrolling space borders' is a condensed 1CD version of the Montreal Place des Arts concert which took place on April 9, 1977. I haven't listened to PSB for quite a while now but as far as I can remember some of the tracks there are just excerpts (the entire concert had a length of approx. 120 minutes). Heiko From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 11:01 am Subject: Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule Hi gang, I'm on the word of the day list, and look what came today... Thought some here might be interested in the origins of the word...... Possible thread, 'Origins of TD titles...'? Poly ultima Thule (UL-tuh-muh THOO-lee) noun > >> 1. The northernmost part of the world believed habitable by the ancients. >> >> 2. A distant or remote goal or place. >> >> [Latin ultima, farthest, Thule, name of a place.] >> >> Known to the ancients as the northern-most region of the habitable world, >> Thule had been variously identified as one of the Shetland islands, Norway, >> or Iceland. Today's Thule is in northwest Greenland, within the Arctic >> Circle. >> >> Incidentally, the name Greenland is ironic, as more than four-fifths of the >> land is ice-capped. The palindromically named village of Qaanaaq, in the >> district of Thule, has the distinction of being the northern-most naturally >> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28826 Re: Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule Joe Shoults Tue 8/28/2001 2 KB 28877 Re: Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule Adele Outland Sat 9/1/2001 4 KB 28913 Re: Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule Owens, James Tue 9/4/2001 3 KB 28915 Re: Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule RJF Tue 9/4/2001 2 KB 28916 Re: Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule Owens, James Tue 9/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 12:09 pm Subject: Re: Origins of TD Titles (Was A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule) Paul sez..... > Hi gang, > I'm on the word of the day list, and look what came today... Thought some > here might be interested in the origins of the word...... Possible thread, > 'Origins of TD titles...'? > Poly Well i have always wondered about the origin and the meaning of the title on Froese's solo album ''Pizarro and Atahuallpa'' ..........Anybody know ? Nick NP Gong / Shamall Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... ICQ 44174543 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28809 Re: Origins of TD Titles (Was A.Word.A.Day--ultim Heiko Heerssen Mon 8/27/2001 2 KB 28811 Re: Origins of TD Titles (Was A.Word.A.Day--ultim Armin Theissen Mon 8/27/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 12:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Origins of TD Titles (Was A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule) > Well i have always wondered about the origin and the meaning of the title on > Froese's solo album ''Pizarro and Atahuallpa'' ..........Anybody know ? I found this URL which might shed some light about Pizarro and Atahuallpa http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02032a.htm Heiko From: 'Kevin Earley' Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 12:36 pm Subject: Re: Sounds and Composition Greg H. said that: > IMO, art is not subjective. There is good and bad out there. I believe that this is incorrect and that art *is* subjective. However; I can easily be convinced otherwise. Greg, please provide at least one objective standard that any individual can use to distinguish good art from bad art. Ideally, a standard that we can apply to music, but one that applies only to Painting will suffice. Kevin Earley NP: KS - Cyborg. (Spelling and Grammatical errors left as an exercise for the reader) :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28828 Re: Sounds and Composition Lasse Gustafsson Tue 8/28/2001 3 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 2:23 pm Subject: Re: Origins of TD Titles (Was A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule) Hi, go here, for instance: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7012/pizarro.html Its all about spanish/south american history. a. --- In tadream@y..., 'Nick Adams' wrote: > > Paul sez..... > > Hi gang, > > I'm on the word of the day list, and look what came today... Thought some > > here might be interested in the origins of the word...... Possible thread, > > 'Origins of TD titles...'? > > Poly > > > Well i have always wondered about the origin and the meaning of the title on > Froese's solo album ''Pizarro and Atahuallpa'' ..........Anybody know ? > > Nick > > NP Gong / Shamall > > > Home Nicad@n... > Work Nick_Adams@L... > ICQ 44174543 From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 2:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition At 22:39 26.08.01 +0200, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > > > > So what is your definition of 'great electronic music'? > > > > Great music created with electronic instruments? ;-) > >And Beaubourg is not 'great'? Then it all comes down to taste. Which cannot >be debated (except if you're talking about Sputnik). > >Best regards, >Glenn He He, That made my day! Thanks Glenn. Best Regards Geir From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 3:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition > Actually, this discussion is kinda funny because what is considered by many > as the best TD years, mid 70s to mid 80s, is the period where TD fiddled > more with their sounds and had more weird structures than today - the very > elements Alexander doesnt like :-) Alex, you said you also thinks TDs best > years were in the past so it's kinda funny that you dont like fiddling so > much because that is what TD did when they were at their peak :-)) TD ***never*** neglected the composition part, do Stratosfear, Force Majeure, White Eagle, Ricochet, Encore, Logos etc etc sound uncomposed? They all have great composition, they never just 'fiddled'. That is what is so good with TD, and which sets them apart from most other EM. You can't possible compare the greatness of TD composition with with Bauburg! For me TD is about compostion, not about sound engineeering - TD could perform their music on accustic gear only for my sake. Actually I would love that :-) Alexander From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 5:17 pm Subject: Beauborg, etc. I rather like Beauborg. I like it better than Invisible Connections. It all depends on what I'm in the mood for. Sometimes I really enjoy things like Dr.Who music (especially the older stuff that's mostly fx). The bizarre soundscapes in Beaubourg transport me to a mechanical world, where everything is sharp contrasts of dark blue and grey. A cold drizzle is falling, but the machines don't seem to notice. Everything here is sharp angles and blocky shapes, no rolling hillsides or fluffy clouds, no blended colors. Very cyber-punkish. If I'm in the mood for a journey there, I pop in 'Beauborg', parts of _Heaven and Hell_, '1000 Metres' (from Chariots of Fire!), some Dr. Who, or 'Tears in a Prophet's Dream' (by Celtic Frost - not a fan of them generally, but that track is WILD), or even 'The Big Chair' (the track by Tears for Fears, a 'Shout' B-side). All particularly bizarre stuff. I find Beauborg and the like enjoyable SPECIFICALLY because they DEFY order and predictability. It is a dream realm that I cannot define, yet it draws me back again and again. When I'm in that kind of mood, TD is too tame and melodic (except maybe Alpha Centauri... Now THAT is SUPERB stuff). James > -----Original Message----- > Are there any music based solely upon a collection of sounds > that have stood the test of time and that can be considered > higly enjoyable? While you might say that Baugburg is music, > do you consider it *enjoyable* music just because you might > find some kind of order in it? > > Alexander Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28816 Re: Beauborg, etc. Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Medi Mon 8/27/2001 3 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 6:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Alexander Bjelke' > TD ***never*** neglected the composition part, do Stratosfear, Force Majeure, >White Eagle, Ricochet, Encore, Logos etc etc sound uncomposed? No, and I didnt say TD *neglected' traditional composition, I said they *fiddled more' with sound. Sound fiddling seemed to be more important back then than now. >They all have great composition, they never just 'fiddled'. That is what is so good with TD, >and which sets them apart from most other EM. In the old days, at least. Today lots of unknown EM acts are better than TD IMO. >You can't possible compare the greatness of TD composition with with Bauburg! That would be comparing apples and oranges - they are two different ways of making music. >For me TD is about compostion, not about sound engineeering - TD could perform their music > on accustic gear only for my sake. Actually I would love that :-) I dont think that would be possible. TD *is* alot about sound engineering, at least that is what they *should* be about because they are en EM act. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Beauborg, etc. Well said, James Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:17 PM Subject: [tadream] Beauborg, etc. > I rather like Beauborg. I like it better than Invisible Connections. It > all depends on what I'm in the mood for. Sometimes I really enjoy things > like Dr.Who music (especially the older stuff that's mostly fx). The > bizarre soundscapes in Beaubourg transport me to a mechanical world, where > everything is sharp contrasts of dark blue and grey. A cold drizzle is > falling, but the machines don't seem to notice. Everything here is sharp > angles and blocky shapes, no rolling hillsides or fluffy clouds, no blended > colors. > Very cyber-punkish. If I'm in the mood for a journey there, I pop in > 'Beauborg', parts of _Heaven and Hell_, '1000 Metres' (from Chariots of > Fire!), some Dr. Who, or 'Tears in a Prophet's Dream' (by Celtic Frost - not > a fan of them generally, but that track is WILD), or even 'The Big Chair' > (the track by Tears for Fears, a 'Shout' B-side). All particularly bizarre > stuff. > > I find Beauborg and the like enjoyable SPECIFICALLY because they DEFY order > and predictability. It is a dream realm that I cannot define, yet it draws > me back again and again. > > When I'm in that kind of mood, TD is too tame and melodic (except maybe > Alpha Centauri... Now THAT is SUPERB stuff). From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 8:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds and composition -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Bjelke >For me TD is about compostion, not about sound engineeering - TD could perform their music on accustic gear only for my sake. Actually I would love that :-) In music school, we call those two things composition and orchestration... Cheers, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From: 'Jorge Figueiredo' Date: Tue Aug 28, 2001 3:38 am Subject: Re: Warsaw Hello, I'm writing from Krakow and all is fine (except for the rain). I've seen a dozen of the concert posters around Warsaw. Hope to meet those who are going to the Irish Pub on Friday. Regards, Jorge Figueiredo From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Warsaw the concert posters : http://tadream.ac.pl/mandarynka/mostowy_plakat.htm Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > > > Hello, > > I'm writing from Krakow and all is fine (except for the rain). > > I've seen a dozen of the concert posters around Warsaw. > > Hope to meet those who are going to the Irish Pub on Friday. > > Regards, > > Jorge Figueiredo From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Aug 28, 2001 3:26 am Subject: TD philly 10/20 onsale 9/21 TANGERINE DREAM Sat, 10/20/01 9:00PM Theatre of Living Arts Philadelphia, PA On Sale 9/21/01 12:00PM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28920 Re: TD philly 10/20 onsale 9/21 Vince LeGrand Tue 9/4/2001 2 KB From: 'simon heath' Date: Tue Aug 28, 2001 4:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items/sounds Composition >is not only about melodies, beats and chord changes, but in EM the sounds >themselves are very important I have my own little theory here.Time is reletive,right? Well, each sound could be considered as a composition in its' own right, just on a smaller time scale. In the same way , several songs can be collected to make an album that is a composition in its own right.And an artist produces a body of work that can be seen as a composition spanning several years. So lets hear it for the little noises! Each one is a symphony. www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath > From: 'simon heath' Date: Tue Aug 28, 2001 4:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: -Robert Schroeder >Actually, I worked for a while at that place operating that 100m >radio telescope dish in Germany from where Robert Schroeder >and Michael Weisser (the guy talking on the album) got the white >noise sound. I always thought the white noise was a cunning pre-CD device to cover surface noise!The ear 'tunes out' that sound and with it goes the vinyl grunge. Are there any ks circle members here? I asked kdm once about a persistant noise on 2 tracks in the Jubilee Edition, but he denied any existed.I think it was a funny tape hiss, but it had the effect of forcing the listener to play those songs quietly (or have their eardrums pierced). Entirely unintentional, apparantly. www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath -----Original Message----- From: Armin Theissen To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 24 August 2001 08:48 Subject: [tadream] Re: -Robert Schroeder > I mean the Max Plank Institute for Radio Astronomy in >Bonn. They were pretty amused by the idea to use such a rather >trivial thing as the noise from their antenna for 'music'... >The effect is, indeed, the same when you use a noise generator. >And people get a wrong idea about it: its not the galaxy Cygnus A >which 'sounds' - its just one of a myriad of electromagnetic signals >which are processed by lots of electronics to sound. > >I also remember Schroeder/Weisser's appearance on the Ars Electronica >in Linz/Austria at that time, and the moderator of the german >TV show 'Aspekte' (some arts programme) found that whole idea >really ridiculous. > >armin > >--- In tadream@y..., Thenite0wl@a... wrote: >> Hi all, >> Yes ,Simon -Galaxie Cygnus 'A' An absolutely brilliant excursion. >> Cant think why I didnt mention that one yesterday..sorry.. >> Got carried away digging out my signed album of 'Floating Music'. >> >> If youve never heard 'Galaxie' then do so, and give yourself one >hell of a >> treat. >> >> Regards, >> Paul. > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: horrod6 Date: Tue Aug 28, 2001 10:33 am Subject: re: all sorts Frank wrote: << 8-\ You music junkies out there that have wives or girl friends that really do _like_ your music, count yourself lucky! >> and Deb replied: <<...or husbands!...let's not forget that some of us are the ones in the family with the e-music passion ;o}>> Too right Deb! Shame on you, Frank, how could you ignore us female fans after you've met _me_? What about all those chats at Okefenokee 2001? I will expect you some seriously apologetic grovelling if I see you in the swamp next year! LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28830 Re: all sorts Miguel Farah F. Wed 8/29/2001 2 KB From: wyslannik@y... Date: Tue Aug 28, 2001 12:46 pm Subject: OT: unknown piece of unknown artist Hi all! In 70's and 80's there was a popular-scientific TV program in Polish TV, called 'Sonda'. I've got a intro tune from that program, and I'm confused, because I don't know the author and title of that piece. It sounds like typical electronic rock piece, made using simple synth, guitars and manual drums. I'm sure, it's neither Jarre, nor TD piece. Maybe one of you will know author of that tune ? Check http://www.osemka.p.lodz.pl/~qba/whatsthat.mp3. (file size = 386 kB) Cheers Jakub Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28825 OT: unknown piece of unknown artist wyslannik@y... Tue 8/28/2001 2 KB From: wyslannik@y... Date: Tue Aug 28, 2001 1:01 pm Subject: OT: unknown piece of unknown artist Hi all! In 70's and 80's there was a popular-scientific TV program in Polish TV, called 'Sonda'. I've got a intro tune from that program, and I'm confused, because I don't know the author and title of that piece. It sounds like typical electronic rock piece, made using simple synth, guitars and manual drums. I'm sure, it's neither Jarre, nor TD piece. Maybe one of you will know author of that tune ? Check http://www.osemka.p.lodz.pl/~qba/whatsthat.mp3. (file size = 386 kB) Cheers Jakub From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Aug 28, 2001 1:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule I like this idea for a thread. > -----Original Message----- > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] ... > I'm on the word of the day list, and look what came today... > Thought some > here might be interested in the origins of the word...... > Possible thread, > 'Origins of TD titles...'? > Poly > > ultima Thule (UL-tuh-muh THOO-lee) noun > > > >> 1. The northernmost part of the world believed > habitable by the ancients. > >> > >> 2. A distant or remote goal or place. > >> > >> [Latin ultima, farthest, Thule, name of a place.] > >> > ... From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Aug 28, 2001 8:13 pm Subject: Source of album names (was: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule) I seem to remember somebody posting an explanation of some of the TD album names to the old UWP list back in 95 or 96. I'm not sure where all the facts came from, but here's some of what I remember (augmented from dictionary and my own imagination %): Rubycon - from Rubicon, a River in Northern Italy. Julius Caeser's crossing of the Rubicon on 49 BC was regarded as an act of War by the Roman Senate. Now the word 'rubicon' has a connotation of 'a boundary or line that when crossed commits a person irrevocably' (taken from Webster's Collegiate Dictionary online). Stratosfear - a pun on stratosphere, the layer of the Earth's atmosohere which extends from approximately from 7 miles to 31 miles about the surface. Ricochet - named after a pinball(?) game that the boys were hooked on during their 1975 UK tour. Force Majeure - French term for 'an act of God' or similar forces beyond our control. Atem - German for 'breath' Alpha Centauri - Trinary star system that contains the closest star to our sun (approximately 4.5 light-years away) Zeit - German word for 'time' Phaedra - A character from Greek Mythology: daughter of Minos who marries Theseus and falls in love with her stepson Hippolytus Tangram - A chinese puzzle made of a square cut into several shapes that can be re-combined in many combinations. I've always thought that there was a pun here as well: a '-gram' (message, as used in telegram) from the 'tangs'! Cyclone - twisting things up a bit! Exit - a departure from the 1 or 2 tracks per album side format that typical TD releases had until that time. Logos - a sort of divine wisdom Hyperborea - in Greek mythos, a region of perpetual sunshine beyond the north wind (probably somewhere near Ultima Thule ;-) Pergamon - from Pergamum, an ancient Greek civilization in Asia Minor at it's height around 200 B.C. Melrose - Private Music's offices were on Melrose Avenue in Hollywood, California. Rockoon - Pun on 'rock' and 'racoon' Tyranny of Beauty - TD played 'Excess Living magazine live' in 1995 in Los Angeles. It was essentially an extremely exaggerated fashion show. TD was paid to fly in from Berlin just for this one show (they only performed 30-45 minutes)! Also, during this time, Linda Spa (an ex-model) was with the group. They decided to do an album about the 'Tyranny' of the fashion world. Goblin's Club - seems to be inspired by some fantasy writing (anyone know more on this?) Ambient Monkeys - It was designed as pre-show ambience for 97 European tour, and it has monkey sounds. Quinoa - a South-American grain (perhaps to feed the hungry of the TDIFC?) Tournado - pun on tour and tornado, evidently taking Europe by storm... Transsiberia - named after the TransSiberian railway which inspired the music. Mars Polaris - named for the Mars Polar Lander which inspired the music. Sohoman - ? James > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 8:26 AM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule > > > I like this idea for a thread. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > ... > > I'm on the word of the day list, and look what came today... > > Thought some > > here might be interested in the origins of the word...... > > Possible thread, > > 'Origins of TD titles...'? > > Poly > > > > ultima Thule (UL-tuh-muh THOO-lee) noun > > > > > >> 1. The northernmost part of the world believed > > habitable by the ancients. > > >> > > >> 2. A distant or remote goal or place. > > >> > > >> [Latin ultima, farthest, Thule, name of a place.] > > >> > > ... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28829 Re: Source of album names (was: A.Word.A.Day--ult Sean Montgomery Tue 8/28/2001 2 KB 28835 Re: Source of album names (was: A.Word.A.Day--ult Armin Theissen Wed 8/29/2001 2 KB 28837 Re: Source of album names (was: A.Word.A.Day--ult Owens, James Wed 8/29/2001 3 KB From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Tue Aug 28, 2001 8:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sounds and Composition For not being confused by the culture addicts, I've quite succesfully used following definition for 'art' (Applies in everything): I'm not artist. If I can do it, it is not art. -- -------------------------------- There is many ways to do things. Only two of those are similar: My way and the Right way. ---------------------- © LG(at)iki.fi On 27.8.2001 15:36, 'Kevin Earley' wrote: > Greg H. said that: > >> IMO, art is not subjective. There is good and bad out there. > > I believe that this is incorrect and that art *is* subjective. However; I > can easily be convinced otherwise. Greg, please provide at least one > objective standard that any individual can use to distinguish good art from > bad art. Ideally, a standard that we can apply to music, but one that > applies only to Painting will suffice. > > Kevin Earley From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Aug 28, 2001 9:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names (was: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule) 'Owens, James' wrote: > Ricochet - named after a pinball(?) game that the boys were hooked on during > their 1975 UK tour. Actually, an early video game. Basically, just like Pong. > Rockoon - Pun on 'rock' and 'racoon' While I think it was more likely a pun on the term 'rock on' (cheesy, very cheesy), rockoon is actually a real word. It refers to a rocket launched from a high-altitude weather balloon. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 1:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re: all sorts horrod6 [28/08/2001 06:23] dijo/said: >Frank wrote: > ><< 8-\ You music junkies out there that have wives >or girl friends that >really do _like_ your music, count yourself lucky! >> > >and Deb replied: > ><<...or husbands!...let's not forget that some of us are >the ones in the family with the e-music passion ;o}>> > >Too right Deb! Shame on you, Frank, how could you ignore us female fans >after you've met _me_? What about all those chats at Okefenokee 2001? I >will expect you some seriously apologetic grovelling if I see you in the >swamp next year! There are just so many ways that last sentence can be misinterpreted... }:-> -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 1:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Deleted Items I love Goblin's Club; in fact, Elf June is one of those that I consistently put on 'most favorites' tapes mixes. There is only one weak song IMO on the album which is Darwin's Motel, but even that one gets me tickled when I hear that woman sing, 'watch me, watch me, check your bvd's'. However, I do not place this one above Melrose. This is an incredible album, almost perfect with the exception of Art of Vision, somewhat mediocre when compared to the emotion in the rest of the tracks. And regarding Rockoon, oh my, weak track? is Rockoon itself: too rockish, too rock normal, but the rest like Big City Dwarves paints all those wonderful mind pictures that I love about TD music. Regarding sounds in general: I look forward to certain sounds and usually punch the air or shout 'yeah' (if I'm alone in my car), when I hear them, but they would be nothing without the music that leads up to them. The anticipation of an event is far greater emotionally than the event itself. Speaking of which, when are they going to put the tickets on sale for Jannus Landing? This is driving me crazzzzzzzzzzzzzzy! 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'Dennis Nigbur' >Why all this bitching about GC? Am I the only person on the list who likes >that album? Much more than Melrose and Rockoon, anyway... > >Dennis _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 1:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] artistry I had a teacher who once said to me: 'if I gave you a blank canvas and some paints and told you you could paint anything you wanted to, do you think you could paint nothing?' his point being that no matter what you created it would mean something to you whether the artistry meant anything to anybody else or not. I think an artist has to follow his own vision, and, maybe, if he's lucky, other people will agree in the artistry and see it as something that has meaning for them as well. 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'Alexander Bjelke' >Is randomly smearing out painting art? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28833 Re: artistry simon heath Wed 8/29/2001 3 KB 28836 Re: artistry Armin Theissen Wed 8/29/2001 2 KB 28841 Re: artistry horrod6 Wed 8/29/2001 2 KB 28842 Re: artistry horrod6 Wed 8/29/2001 2 KB 28843 Re: artistry Armin Theissen Thu 8/30/2001 2 KB From: 'simon heath' Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 4:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] artistry all this artistry talk.We aint gonna define it here, nor need we. Remember John Cages' 4min 33 (of silence) .Thats supposedly art, but his input is minimal, just the idea to have complete silence. Another painter-type artist, when asked to do something about a slag heap in northern england to beautify it, decided to simply *name* it 'reclining nude'.Was it art?He didnt touch it!But he's an artist , so it's art (apparantly). In the end,it doesn't matter if it's art or not, you just have to enjoy (be moved,whatever) it. Unenjoyable art is no use to me .Enjoyable non-art is. I earn my living as an 'artist' (not my word for it) but I get off on doing the work and having people buy it (and not doing a 9 to 5). The only good reason for me to want to be a *proper* artist is to earn more from less work ( ok, maybe the kudos is ego-boostingly cool too). Unless of course, you know differently. www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28836 Re: artistry Armin Theissen Wed 8/29/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 6:25 am Subject: Sale of electronic music CD's (off topic) Hi, I'm selling some of my original CD's of artistis like Radio Massacre International, Can Atilla, Popol Vuh, Syndromeda, You, Steve Roach etc. Price for each CD is Ł4/$6, if you want you can have a look at my list at: http://members.tripod.de/Network23/auction.html Regards Heiko From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 7:03 am Subject: Re: Source of album names (was: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule) --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > Logos - a sort of divine wisdom literally 'the word' (greek). As the world was created by God simply saying 'Let there be light' (the word - logos - becoming flesh) > Tyranny of Beauty - TD played 'Excess Living magazine live' in 1995 in Los > Angeles. It was essentially an extremely exaggerated fashion show. TD was > paid to fly in from Berlin just for this one show (they only performed 30-45 > minutes)! Also, during this time, Linda Spa (an ex-model) was with the > group. They decided to do an album about the 'Tyranny' of the fashion > world. And Linda was sent on the catwalk in a wedding dress playing sax > > Goblin's Club - seems to be inspired by some fantasy writing (anyone know > more on this?) Edgar and Jerome composed this on a laptop during a transatlantic flight and thought about all the little 'goblins' down there on the surface of the earth armin From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 7:08 am Subject: Re: artistry Hi but I doubt very much that anybody would ever remember John Cage at all if he would have done nothing but 4-33 (or almost nothing). He pioneered 'aleatoric' (wholly or partly randomly organised music) composition (even though Mozart, of course, is said to have made use of it, too), and in a sense 4-33 is taking this to a peak in a tongue-in-cheek sense. armin --- In tadream@y..., 'simon heath' wrote: > all this artistry talk.We aint gonna define it here, nor need we. > Remember John Cages' 4min 33 (of silence) .Thats supposedly art, but his > input is minimal, just the idea to have complete silence. From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 1:39 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Source of album names (was: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule) Good info Sean! I was unable to find a real definition. (Being a rocket scientist, you'd think I'd KNOW this one.) It's quite likely that TD knew this definition and that it wasn't just a pun as I originally supposed, though I imagine the fact that there's a pun aspect to the word is what made them deicde to use it. TD seems to use lots of space-related words and terms in titles, starting back as far as Alpha Centauri, and most recently Mars Polaris. Thanks for the corrections, Sean! James > -----Original Message----- > 'Owens, James' wrote: > > > Ricochet - named after a pinball(?) game that the boys were > hooked on during > > their 1975 UK tour. > > Actually, an early video game. Basically, just like Pong. > > > > > Rockoon - Pun on 'rock' and 'racoon' > > While I think it was more likely a pun on the term 'rock on' > (cheesy, very cheesy), rockoon is actually a real word. It refers > to a rocket launched from a high-altitude weather balloon. > > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 1:52 pm Subject: John Cage (was: artistry I've only seen cage performed live once. A lot of the people were booing and so forth through most of it, but the one performance that got the most applause was 4min 33. Absolutely hillarious, and yet... you had to listen to the sounds around you for over 4 minutes. How often do we really get the chance to stop and listen to the sounds around us? There's 'music' everywhere if we take the time to listen for it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Armin Theissen [mailto:ath@s...] > > but I doubt very much that anybody would ever remember John > Cage at all if he would have done nothing but 4-33 (or almost > nothing). He pioneered 'aleatoric' (wholly or partly randomly > organised music) composition (even though Mozart, of course, > is said to have made use of it, too), and in a sense 4-33 is > taking this to a peak in a tongue-in-cheek sense. > > armin From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 4:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re: all sorts What's this!? Frank's in trouble again 8-D It seems like I have an extraordinary penchance for this 8-\ ... at work, at home and even on lists 8-D I'm sorry, Marion ... I plead guilty as charged. Now where should I start my groveling ? At your feet where it'll be easier for you to kick me in the teeth? 8-D Hmm... [ think think, think think think (Weenie the Pooh cognition here)] But it seems to me that the last time I got in trouble at home with the wife was because I groveling at the foot of a woman 8-D Yeah, I know... I'm terrible 8-) Don't worry, I don't believe that for a second! 8-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'horrod6' To: 'dreamers' Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 4:33 AM Subject: [tadream] re: all sorts > Frank wrote: > > << 8-\ You music junkies out there that have wives > or girl friends that > really do _like_ your music, count yourself lucky! >> > > and Deb replied: > > <<...or husbands!...let's not forget that some of us are > the ones in the family with the e-music passion ;o}>> > > Too right Deb! Shame on you, Frank, how could you ignore us female fans > after you've met _me_? What about all those chats at Okefenokee 2001? I > will expect you some seriously apologetic grovelling if I see you in the > swamp next year! > > LnH > > Marion > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: horrod6 Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 7:18 pm Subject: Re: grovelling I meant to write: <>> Miguel wrote: < >> I know! Fun isn't it? LnH Marion From: horrod6 Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 7:28 pm Subject: Re: artistry Simon wrote: << Unenjoyable art is no use to me .>> I would have agreed with you once, Simon. Then I saw Epstein's sculpture 'The Rock Drill'. It had an immensely powerful effect on me, but enjoyable is definitely not the word for that effect. The nearest I can come to it is a profound horror, but there was much more to it than that. It was so potent that you almost had to look at it out of the corner of your eye, as if it was an immensely bright light. Now, while I certainly wouldn't want that in my living room (I'd have to knock a hole in the ceiling for a start ), it was _great_ art, IMHO. And I am glad that it exists and can be seen, and I would like to see it again. I'm not sure what this contributes to the artistry debate, but hey, what the heck, I'm feeling talkative. LnH Marion From: horrod6 Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 7:32 pm Subject: Re: artistry Armin wrote: << but I doubt very much that anybody would ever remember John Cage at all if he would have done nothing but 4-33 (or almost nothing).>> I think I disagree, Armin. Not being a modern classical buff, I know nothing about John Cage _except_ that he wrote 4-33. But then I suppose if he hadn't been a 'respected' composer already, 4-33 wouldn't have attracted the attention it did, and I would never have heard of him at all. I dunno. LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28843 Re: artistry Armin Theissen Thu 8/30/2001 2 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 7:02 am Subject: Re: artistry But this is what I meant: you wouldn't have heard of him and 4-33 if he didn't had something else to show. Since he is recognized as a great composer, people also recognize the message of 4-33. Same way: No matter what you think of Electronic Mediation (best album ever or worst album ever): Perhaps you wouldn't have a chance to buy this anywhere if there wasn't a bunch of other TD records which brought them fame. a. --- In tadream@y..., horrod6 wrote: > Armin wrote: > > << but I doubt very much that anybody would ever remember John > Cage at all if he would have done nothing but 4-33 (or almost > nothing).>> > > I think I disagree, Armin. Not being a modern classical buff, I know > nothing about John Cage _except_ that he wrote 4-33. > > But then I suppose if he hadn't been a 'respected' composer already, > 4-33 wouldn't have attracted the attention it did, and I would never > have heard of him at all. > > I dunno. > > LnH > > Marion From: ampmusic Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 10:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: electronicagistry Cage was well known for musique concrete anyway - pieces like 'Fontana Mix' are worth hearing, and that style was probably one inspiration for things like 'Journey Through A Burning Brain'. One of his other tricks was to write music for cartridges - i.e. amplified record deck needles, which the players would hit to make loud electronic sounds :-) BTW the point about '4.33' is not that it is completely silent. The point is that THE PERFORMER HAS TO KEEP COUNTING BARS whether he/she is making a noise or not, in order for it to run for the right length of time. Har-di-har-har :-) horrod6 wrote: > Armin wrote: > > << but I doubt very much that anybody would ever remember John > Cage at all if he would have done nothing but 4-33 (or almost > nothing).>> > > I think I disagree, Armin. Not being a modern classical buff, I know > nothing about John Cage _except_ that he wrote 4-33. > > But then I suppose if he hadn't been a 'respected' composer already, > 4-33 wouldn't have attracted the attention it did, and I would never > have heard of him at all. > > I dunno. > > LnH > > Marion > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'koulos' Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 9:54 am Subject: exit hello to all i was downloading last night 'Tangerine Dream - Berlin Reichstag (BL, 1981) - 02 - Part 2.mp3' and then i decided to hear it . and there it was at the begining the opening track of exit i knew this song thow i had more than 6 months to hear it , so i decided after listening to the semi-finished mp3 to listen to the exit cd. and guess what... i liked it so much. i am a new fan of TD [less than 2 years] and in this time i have gathered more than 70 cd's all of wich are officials releases [yes i know that are a lot out there in the bootlegs world] and now i find the pleasure to listen to some cd's i bought 1 year ago and to discover them again.... does anyone else out there find the same joy as me in discovering their own cd's? kostas from hot athens np iannis xenakis -the legend of eer'diatope' [now this is weird music a piece made with an 8-channel electronic tape] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28847 Re: exit rubyconist@y... Thu 8/30/2001 2 KB 28856 Re: exit Michael A Jean Thu 8/30/2001 2 KB 28860 Re: exit RJF Thu 8/30/2001 2 KB 28863 Re: exit simon heath Thu 8/30/2001 2 KB From: gmroger@p... Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 10:08 am Subject: Re: Warsaw Hi everyone who's going to the concert tomorrow night. Look forward to meeting you all at the Irish Pub at 5.30pm. After the concert, however, myself and my wife plan to go the Baltic Coast straight after so I won't be able to file a report on the event until a week or two later. See you all later - Roger Hartopp -- OnetKomunikator - porozumiesz sie z innymi [ http://ok.onet.pl/instaluj.html ] From: rubyconist@y... Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 10:12 am Subject: Re: exit > and now i find the pleasure to listen to some cd's i bought 1 year ago and to discover them again.... does anyone else out there find the same joy as me in discovering their own cd's? Yup, I know the feeling. Alpha Centauri was one of the first albums I bought after my first TD album Live Miles, and frankly I hated it. Many months went by as I tought that AC was just a piece of crap, but then I hooked and it's one of my favourite albums now. Same thing happened with Zeit. There are plenty of examples when I don't want to look at the cd covers nor listen the music because I'm just tired. Luckily, the feeling always disappears. Regards, TheInfection From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 10:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' To: Sent: 28 August 2001 21:13 Subject: [tadream] Source of album names (was: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule) > Pergamon - from Pergamum, an ancient Greek civilization in Asia Minor at > it's height around 200 B.C. Also a famous museum in Berlin, in the vicinity of which the concert, I believe, was played. > Rockoon - Pun on 'rock' and 'racoon' I remember Edgar saying on a WDR radio programme that Rockoon was basically just a pun on rock, in an attempt to put some more of rock back into the music. I suppose in the early nineties, when grunge was happening, that was ostensibly the reason for many bands to play guitars loud and badly! Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28857 Rockoon Michael A Jean Thu 8/30/2001 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 10:30 am Subject: 'Voyager' magazine Yesterday I received some issues of the 'Voyager' magazine from a friend. I wasn't aware that there existed a magazine which had such a wealth of information almost solely about Tangerine Dream (I always thought of 'Voyager' as a magazine which covers the whole EM scene), and it seems that many of the contributors to the mag are now also on this mailing list. I even found a top 30 list of unreleased live recordings from my swap mate John B., and I found the overall presentation and information to be of great use. I wonder why 'Voyager' has ceased its publication, and I would also like to ask if there are still back issues available..? Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28854 Re: 'Voyager' magazine Michael A Jean Thu 8/30/2001 3 KB 28855 Re: 'Voyager' magazine website Michael A Jean Thu 8/30/2001 4 KB 28864 Re: 'Voyager' magazine Thenite0wl@a... Thu 8/30/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 10:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names > > Pergamon - from Pergamum, an ancient Greek civilization in Asia Minor at > > it's height around 200 B.C. > > Also a famous museum in Berlin, in the vicinity of which the concert, I believe, was played. The concert itself wasn't played in the Pergamon Museum but in the 'Palast der Republik'. The Museum itself is quite impressive and worth a visit, the Palast isn't. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28851 Re: Source of album names Antonio Nunes Thu 8/30/2001 2 KB 28878 Re: Source of album names Miguel Farah F. Sat 9/1/2001 2 KB 28858 Re: Source of album names Joe Shoults Thu 8/30/2001 2 KB 28861 Re: Source of album names Frank Arellano Thu 8/30/2001 3 KB 28865 Re: Source of album names Dennis Nigbur Thu 8/30/2001 5 KB 28869 Re: Source of album names Michael A Jean Thu 8/30/2001 5 KB 28866 Re: Source of album names moxica@m... Thu 8/30/2001 2 KB 28879 Re: Source of album names Dennis Nigbur Sat 9/1/2001 3 KB 28880 Re: Source of album names Miguel Farah F. Sat 9/1/2001 4 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 10:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names Dennis Nigbur wrote: > > I remember Edgar saying on a WDR radio programme that Rockoon was > basically just a pun on rock, in an attempt to put some more of rock > back into the music. And ironically Rockoon received a nomination for a Grammy award in the category 'Best NEW AGE Album' :-) Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28878 Re: Source of album names Miguel Farah F. Sat 9/1/2001 2 KB From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 6:02 am Subject: CD Sale Hello all I have uploaded my list of original CDs (some electronic some prog) for sale at: http://members.tripodasia.com.hk/coldwatercanyon/CDsale.htm All the best Jeffrey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 6:18 am Subject: CD Sale Hello all I have uploaded my list of original CDs (some electronic some prog) for sale at: http://members.tripodasia.com.hk/coldwatercanyon/CDsale.htm All the best Jeffrey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 12:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Voyager' magazine Probably the level of time required, and the cost... I think they planned to replace it with a website... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 5:31 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] 'Voyager' magazine > > > Yesterday I received some issues of the 'Voyager' magazine from a > friend. I wasn't aware that there existed a magazine which had such a > wealth of information almost solely about Tangerine Dream (I always > thought of 'Voyager' as a magazine which covers the whole EM scene), and > it seems that many of the contributors to the mag are now also on this > mailing list. I even found a top 30 list of unreleased live recordings > from my swap mate John B., and I found the overall presentation and > information to be of great use. I wonder why 'Voyager' has ceased its > publication, and I would also like to ask if there are still back issues > available..? > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28855 Re: 'Voyager' magazine website Michael A Jean Thu 8/30/2001 4 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 12:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Voyager' magazine website http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jasonh/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:23 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Voyager' magazine > > > Probably the level of time required, and the cost... I think they > planned to > replace it with a website... > > MJ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 5:31 AM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] 'Voyager' magazine > > > > > > Yesterday I received some issues of the 'Voyager' magazine from a > > friend. I wasn't aware that there existed a magazine which had such a > > wealth of information almost solely about Tangerine Dream (I always > > thought of 'Voyager' as a magazine which covers the whole EM scene), and > > it seems that many of the contributors to the mag are now also on this > > mailing list. I even found a top 30 list of unreleased live recordings > > from my swap mate John B., and I found the overall presentation and > > information to be of great use. I wonder why 'Voyager' has ceased its > > publication, and I would also like to ask if there are still back issues > > available..? > > > > Heiko > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 12:36 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] exit Yes, I do... Consider yourself lucky...If the internet didn't exist, it probably would have taken you 20 years to find those CDs... > > and now i find the pleasure to listen to some cd's i bought 1 > year ago and to discover them again.... does anyone else out > there find the same joy as me in discovering their own cd's? > > kostas from hot athens > > np iannis xenakis -the legend of eer'diatope' > [now this is weird music a piece made with an 8-channel electronic tape] > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 12:40 pm Subject: Rockoon I was still working in a music store back when this album came out, and I specifically remember that the listing of forthcoming releases said RACKOON. I thought that would have been an odd name for a CD, but it abviously was a typo... MJ > > Rockoon - Pun on 'rock' and 'racoon' > > I remember Edgar saying on a WDR radio programme that Rockoon was > basically just a pun on rock, in an attempt to put some more of > rock back into the music. I suppose in the early nineties, when > grunge was happening, that was ostensibly the reason for many > bands to play guitars loud and badly! > > Dennis > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 2:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Source of album names TD was nominated for a bunch of grammys in the 90's. There was one release called the (brick set? block set?) that was all of their grammy-nominated releases, like 4 or 5 albums, in one boxed set... > -----Original Message----- > From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:ajogon@n...] ... > And ironically Rockoon received a nomination for a Grammy award in the > category 'Best NEW AGE Album' :-) > From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 3:28 pm Subject: Patric Donaghy Hello Is Patric still on this list? Patric if you happen to see this message pls contact me off-list. Regards Jeffrey From: RJF Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 3:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] exit >i was downloading last night > > 'Tangerine Dream - Berlin Reichstag (BL, 1981) - 02 - Part 2.mp3' > Where were you downloading it from? -- RJF From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 2:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names < Ironically Rockoon received a nomination for a grammy award> What's strange to me is that it received a nomination and yet in these circles among list members the general consensus is that Rockoon is not held in very high regard, closer to the bottom in fact, if my memory serves me right. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Antonio Nunes' To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 4:48 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names > > > Dennis Nigbur wrote: > > > > > I remember Edgar saying on a WDR radio programme that Rockoon was > > basically just a pun on rock, in an attempt to put some more of rock > > back into the music. > > And ironically Rockoon received a nomination for a Grammy award in the > category 'Best NEW AGE Album' :-) > > Antonio Nunes > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 5:16 pm Subject: Relistening (was RE:Exit) I make a habit of occasionally pulling out those discs that rarely get any play, and sticking them into the rotation in my 100-disc changer. If I find after a few listens that I start skipping the disc, then it goes back on the shelf for a while. It's really strange, but there's quite a few CDs that were 'duds' to me on the first listen. They get shelved, and then sometime when I'm bored with the same CDs over-and-over again, I pull out one of them. I've often wondered if there is a lot of heat and pressure on my CD shelf (it IS packed pretty tightly), since occasionally one of these lumps of coal sounds like a diamond the next time I hear it. > -----Original Message----- > and now i find the pleasure to listen to some cd's i bought 1 > year ago and to discover them again.... does anyone else out > there find the same joy as me in discovering their own cd's? > > kostas from hot athens From: 'simon heath' Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 5:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] exit ...to listen to the exit cd. >and guess what... i liked it so much. ditto me with Exit.I quite liked it already, despite prefering their older stuff, but when I heard on my upgraded stereo it sounded just great ! The production really suits it.Wheras Thief from the same era, *sounds* less interesting, even though the actual songs are cool. www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath From: Thenite0wl@a... Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 5:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Voyager' magazine HI.. Indeed, the Voyager mags. were of superb quality and content... Regards Paul From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names I don't know what the criteria for grammy nomination are, but I have two theories: (a) the people responsible for selection, short-listing, etc. had never heard of TD before and found Rockoon so unlike anything else they'd heard before that it - and its successors - qualified for nomination through sheer novelty and craftsmanship, even without the compositional flair with which we - but not the nominations board - are so familiar. (b) since Rockoon seems to represent the start of a five-year concerted effort to woo an American audience, TD may have been trying deliberately to hit a nerve with the album's accessible, almost poppy, style - it can't be coincidence that TDI themselves call that period the 'Seattle Years'. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Frank Arellano' To: Sent: 30 August 2001 15:29 Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names > > < Ironically Rockoon received a nomination for a grammy award> > > What's strange to me is that it received a nomination and yet in these > circles among list members the general consensus is that Rockoon is not held > in very high regard, closer to the bottom in fact, if my memory serves me > right. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Antonio Nunes' > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 4:48 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names > > > > > > > > Dennis Nigbur wrote: > > > > > > > > I remember Edgar saying on a WDR radio programme that Rockoon was > > > basically just a pun on rock, in an attempt to put some more of rock > > > back into the music. > > > > And ironically Rockoon received a nomination for a Grammy award in the > > category 'Best NEW AGE Album' :-) > > > > Antonio Nunes > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28869 Re: Source of album names Michael A Jean Thu 8/30/2001 5 KB From: moxica@m... Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names >From: 'Dennis Nigbur' - it can't be coincidence that TDI themselves call that period the 'Seattle Years'. Except that Miramar's offices are/were in Seattle, just like Private Music's were located off of Melrose... - jim From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 7:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Grammy Nominations Frank Arellano wrote: > What's strange to me is that it received a nomination and yet in these > circles among list members the general consensus is that Rockoon is not held > in very high regard, closer to the bottom in fact, if my memory serves me > right. Getting a Grammy has nothing to do with quality. It's more about 'who moved a lot of product this year' and 'who should have won 20 years ago when they were still a vital artist, but since Grammies don't go to vital artists we'll reward them for their lame new record instead' (I'm not talking about TD here. I mean Steely Dan, U2, Santana...) Note that TD's Grammy nominations came when they were on the Miramar label. Would it make sense to speculate that the record label did some backroom dealing to get them nominated? Also, Miramar was actually getting TD product in record shops back in the early 90s, and albums like Rockoon and 220 Volt were selling well by the standards of New Age recordings. But not as well as John Tesh and Yanni, so TD was never a threat to win. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 8:07 pm Subject: Re: Meeting in Warsaw --- In tadream@y..., baG wrote: > Hello Dreamers, > > In the connection with Tangerine Dream's Warsaw Concert I want to propose > you a meeting before and after the performance. So tomorrow it is. I'll be arriving in Warsaw around the time for the reunion and don't know for sure that I'll be able to make it to the Pub before the concert. Have You agreed on a meeting afterwards as well? Replies here or off-list are welcome. But if You mail me directly use: olovur@y... instead of the address in the header. Thanks. /Olle From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 12:47 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Source of album names I think alot of the voting academy members are in New York, and they tend to like Paul Horn (who almost always gets nominated). > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Nigbur [mailto:Dennis@m...] > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 12:21 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names > > > I don't know what the criteria for grammy nomination are, but I > have two theories: > > (a) the people responsible for selection, short-listing, etc. had > never heard of TD before and found Rockoon so unlike anything > else they'd heard before that it - and its successors - qualified > for nomination through sheer novelty and craftsmanship, even > without the compositional flair with which we - but not the > nominations board - are so familiar. > > (b) since Rockoon seems to represent the start of a five-year > concerted effort to woo an American audience, TD may have been > trying deliberately to hit a nerve with the album's accessible, > almost poppy, style - it can't be coincidence that TDI themselves > call that period the 'Seattle Years'. > > Dennis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Frank Arellano' > To: > Sent: 30 August 2001 15:29 > Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names > > > > > > < Ironically Rockoon received a nomination for a grammy award> > > > > What's strange to me is that it received a nomination and yet in these > > circles among list members the general consensus is that > Rockoon is not held > > in very high regard, closer to the bottom in fact, if my memory > serves me > > right. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Antonio Nunes' > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 4:48 AM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dennis Nigbur wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I remember Edgar saying on a WDR radio programme that Rockoon was > > > > basically just a pun on rock, in an attempt to put some more of rock > > > > back into the music. > > > > > > And ironically Rockoon received a nomination for a Grammy award in the > > > category 'Best NEW AGE Album' :-) > > > > > > Antonio Nunes > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 6:16 am Subject: onsale boynton beach 8/31 5pm; nyc 9/19 Noon TANGERINE DREAM Sat, 10/13/01 8:00PM The Orbit at Boynton Beach Boynton Beach, FL On Sale 8/31/01 5:00PM TANGERINE DREAM Fri, 10/19/01 8:00PM Town Hall New York, NY On Sale 9/19/01 12:00PM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 7:08 am Subject: Those were the days (Froese/Schulze/Schnitzler live) Hi, yesterday I received the latest issue of the 'KS circle' (No. 61), which is the official magazine of the Klaus Schulze fanclub. Included is a recent interview with Klaus, and there is one excerpt which I think is quite amusing/interesting. The article is in German but thanks to Armin Theissen here's the English translation of what Klaus Schulze had to say about those freaked out times: 'One day we played with Tangerine Dream on a festival in some castle. Lasted the entire weekend, and we visited Guru Guru wo lived somewhere around. And these guys dropped us some trips into our tea. Just before the gig! Geez... That was a gig! Conny Schnitzler had a violin with a pickup which he just held in front of the speaker, and it just screamed the whole time. Edgar told us later that he thought the guitar neck was 10 meters long and he couldn't reach it. And me with my drums - I hit them and the sound arrived only half a minute later. Just for a brief moment, in one of those brighter moments you have on such trips, I saw a guy in the front row - he was 10 meters away from me for sure and I thought he stood right in front of me - and he just said: 'Man, these guys are kaputt'. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28873 Re: Those were the days (Froese/Schulze/Schnitzle mengels@w... Fri 8/31/2001 2 KB 28874 Re: Those were the days (Froese/Schulze/Schnitzle Nick Adams Fri 8/31/2001 2 KB 28910 Re: Those were the days (Froese/Schulze/Schnitzle tom807@a... Tue 9/4/2001 3 KB 28918 Re: Those were the days (Froese/Schulze/Schnitzle simon heath Tue 9/4/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 7:21 am Subject: What happened to Rolf-Ulrich Kaiser Here's another excerpt from the latest KS circle where Klaus Dieter Mueller (the manager of Klaus Schulze) had this to say about Rolf-Ulrich Kaiser, who once was the founder and head of the 'Ohr' label and its sublabels. As some of you will surely know he and Edgar Froese really weren't the best of friends ;-) 'In mid August 2001 I had a very long talk with an insider who had contact to Kaiser until the early nineties. He told me: from the mid seventies on Kaiser was crazy because of too much LSD. Also & because of (t)his behaviour he had plenty of liabilites, and therefore he disappeared for the officials and the rest of the world. Lived in or near Cologne the life of a drop-out. Had no (and didn't want) identification papers, health insurance, etc. He asked people to call him only by an adopted fantasy name. Did a lot of meditation. With girl-friend Gille ..who only wants to be called and addressed 'Star Maiden' - if you dare to write 'Gille Lettmann' the post will be returned with a warning. No income, nothing. In the early mornings he walked to Cologne's main market and begged for waste-products just not to die of hunger. The police had to thrown him out of his house; before, he had sent the owner silly letters declaring that he will not pay rent anymore. After that he lived for some years - at least until the early nineties - in Gille's mother's house. Meanwhile, a physician had officially declared Kaiser schizophrenic. Too much LSD. Kaiser and Gille still send regularly silly letters to 'important' people: the Pope, the German Chancellor, the president, etc. ... Also I had to hear that the designer of Kaiser's 'Cosmic' albums, Peter Geitner, lives since many years in a mental hospital' btw, if you would like to join the KS circle you can subscribe to it by visiting the following URL: 'http://www.klaus-schulze.com' :-) Heiko From: Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 10:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Those were the days (Froese/Schulze/Schnitzler live) > Quoten Heiko Heerssen : > > and he just said: 'Man, these guys are kaputt'. At had to laugh about this line...it's great! I really wonder how the festival sounded. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 8:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Those were the days (Froese/Schulze/Schnitzler live) > yesterday I received the latest issue of the 'KS circle' (No. 61), which > is the official magazine of the Klaus Schulze fanclub. ---------Snip----------------- LOL, Heiko that is just too funny..... Nick Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... ICQ 44174543 From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 2:14 pm Subject: Seattle years That and the fact that Miramar is located in Seattle, I bet. <<<(b) since Rockoon seems to represent the start of a five-year concerted effort to woo an American audience, TD may have been trying deliberately to hit a nerve with the album's accessible, almost poppy, style - it can't be coincidence that TDI themselves call that period the 'Seattle Years'. Dennis>>> From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:31 pm Subject: can someone translate this from polish into english? can someone translate this? --T guessing.... http://muzyka.onet.pl/mr,143480,wiadomosci.html Tangerine Dream: Rock dla pokoju 31 sierpnia 2001 roku na Moscie Swietokrzyskim w Warszawie wystapi slynna niemiecka formacja Tangerine Dream. Grupa wystapi na wielkim plenerowym koncercie upamietniajacym 62. rocznice wybuchu II wojny swiatowej. Przedsiewziecie nosi tytul 'The Most Beautiful Rock For Peace' i towarzyszyc bedzie mu bogata oprawa multimedialna. Po raz pierwszy zaprezentowany zostanie w Polsce 'ekran wodny' - prezentacja obrazu na tafli rzeki. Podczas wczorajszej konferencji prasowej w warszawskim Hotelu Mercury muzycy zdradzili, ze na koncercie wykonaja utwory ze swojej najnowszej plyty zatytulowanej 'Dream Mixes - The Past Hundred Moons'. Piosenke 'The Bridge Song', skomponowana przez lidera zespolu Edgara Froese, wykona wraz z zespolem gosc specjalny - Kasia Stankiewicz. Angielskojezyczna wersja tej piosenki znajdzie sie prawdopodobnie na kolejnej plycie zespolu. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 1:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule That's interesting. Hyperborea means of the far north. It's said to mean a mythical place like a paradise to those who live in frozen wastelands. Wonder why the fascination with this idea? 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: Synthhtnys@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:01:46 EDT > >Hi gang, >I'm on the word of the day list, and look what came today... Thought some >here might be interested in the origins of the word...... Possible thread, >'Origins of TD titles...'? >Poly > > ultima Thule (UL-tuh-muh THOO-lee) noun > > > >> 1. The northernmost part of the world believed habitable by the >ancients. > >> > >> 2. A distant or remote goal or place. > >> > >> [Latin ultima, farthest, Thule, name of a place.] > >> > >> Known to the ancients as the northern-most region of the habitable >world, > >> Thule had been variously identified as one of the Shetland islands, >Norway, > >> or Iceland. Today's Thule is in northwest Greenland, within the Arctic > >> Circle. > >> > >> Incidentally, the name Greenland is ironic, as more than four-fifths of >the > >> land is ice-capped. The palindromically named village of Qaanaaq, in >the > >> district of Thule, has the distinction of being the northern-most >naturally > >> . > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to >http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 2:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names Antonio Nunes [30/08/2001 06:47] dijo/said: >Dennis Nigbur wrote: >> > >> I remember Edgar saying on a WDR radio programme that Rockoon was >> basically just a pun on rock, in an attempt to put some more of rock >> back into the music. > >And ironically Rockoon received a nomination for a Grammy award in the >category 'Best NEW AGE Album' :-) After Jethro Tull beat Metallica in the Heavy Metal category of the Grammy award, nothing surprises me... -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 10:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names Another quote, this time from Ian Anderson: The closest Jethro Tull ever got to heavy metal was playing mandolins quite loudly. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Miguel Farah F.' To: Sent: 01 September 2001 03:46 Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names > Antonio Nunes [30/08/2001 06:47] dijo/said: > >Dennis Nigbur wrote: > >> > > > >> I remember Edgar saying on a WDR radio programme that Rockoon was > >> basically just a pun on rock, in an attempt to put some more of rock > >> back into the music. > > > >And ironically Rockoon received a nomination for a Grammy award in the > >category 'Best NEW AGE Album' :-) > > After Jethro Tull beat Metallica in the Heavy Metal category of the > Grammy award, nothing surprises me... > > -- > MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... > #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel > <*> > 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' > - Sledge Hammer > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28880 Re: Source of album names Miguel Farah F. Sat 9/1/2001 4 KB From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names Dennis Nigbur [01/09/2001 06:16] dijo/said: >Another quote, this time from Ian Anderson: The closest Jethro Tull ever got to heavy metal was playing mandolins quite loudly. That's my point. JT *isn't* heavy metal. Yet the idiots at the Grammy nominated the band in that category. It's no wonder that not even Homer Simpson takes this award seriously. >Dennis > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'Miguel Farah F.' >To: >Sent: 01 September 2001 03:46 >Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names > > >> Antonio Nunes [30/08/2001 06:47] dijo/said: >> >Dennis Nigbur wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> I remember Edgar saying on a WDR radio programme that Rockoon was >> >> basically just a pun on rock, in an attempt to put some more of rock >> >> back into the music. >> > >> >And ironically Rockoon received a nomination for a Grammy award in the >> >category 'Best NEW AGE Album' :-) >> >> After Jethro Tull beat Metallica in the Heavy Metal category of the >> Grammy award, nothing surprises me... >> >> -- >> MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... >> #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel >> <*> >> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' >> - Sledge Hammer >> >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 3:14 pm Subject: Couple of questions Hey, I bought two TD CDs on a record fair today. One was Logos Live and the other was Livemiles. Now that I studied the CDs I noticed Livemiles are from two concerts, Albuquerque and Berlin. Is that really the case? The CD looks like an official BMG/Jive release but the person I bought it from sometimes sells bootlegs so I wonder if this CD really comes like that. And about Logos Live - if this is a concert recording, is there a studio version of Logos? Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28885 Re: Couple of questions Robert Grabowsky Sat 9/1/2001 2 KB 28886 Re: Couple of questions Michael A Jean Sat 9/1/2001 3 KB 28887 Re: Couple of questions Robert Grabowsky Sun 9/2/2001 2 KB 28888 Re: Couple of questions goozer@a... Sun 9/2/2001 2 KB 28901 Re: Couple of questions Antonio Nunes Mon 9/3/2001 2 KB 28902 Re: Couple of questions j.gordon Mon 9/3/2001 2 KB 28946 Re: Couple of questions Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Fri 9/7/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 6:01 pm Subject: Homepage update Hi all, my Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage update: 01.09.2001 jump to: www.opticaldream.de with Christopher Franke Soundtrack: THE CALLING and many more NEWS. Regards heiko BTW: NEXT AUCTION OCTOBER 2001!!! with over 80 items of electronic Music. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 4:38 pm Subject: Re: OT [tadream] Was Source of album names Ahhh, Homer Simpson! 8-) One of my role models. Just happened to be watching him at the moment. My son has compared me to him, lounging around in my underwear drinking a beer. 8-\ Kids..... or is it me? 8-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Miguel Farah F.' To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names > Dennis Nigbur [01/09/2001 06:16] dijo/said: > >Another quote, this time from Ian Anderson: The closest Jethro Tull ever got to heavy metal was playing mandolins quite loudly. > > That's my point. JT *isn't* heavy metal. Yet the idiots at the Grammy > nominated the band in that category. > > It's no wonder that not even Homer Simpson takes this award seriously. > > > >Dennis > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: 'Miguel Farah F.' > >To: > >Sent: 01 September 2001 03:46 > >Subject: Re: [tadream] Source of album names > > > > > >> Antonio Nunes [30/08/2001 06:47] dijo/said: > >> >Dennis Nigbur wrote: > >> >> > >> > > >> >> I remember Edgar saying on a WDR radio programme that Rockoon was > >> >> basically just a pun on rock, in an attempt to put some more of rock > >> >> back into the music. > >> > > >> >And ironically Rockoon received a nomination for a Grammy award in the > >> >category 'Best NEW AGE Album' :-) > >> > >> After Jethro Tull beat Metallica in the Heavy Metal category of the > >> Grammy award, nothing surprises me... > >> > >> -- > >> MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... > >> #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel > >> <*> > >> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' > >> - Sledge Hammer > >> > >> ----------------------------------------------------_- > >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >> ----------------------------------------------------_- > >> Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >> > >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- > MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... > #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel > <*> > 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' > - Sledge Hammer > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Frank Stephen' Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 7:51 pm Subject: Stuff for Sale Hello everybody, I have done some cleaning and have some prog-rock and electronic rock things for sale. If you are interested please e-mail me off list. Groups include Vangelis (very limited), Genesis, Marillion, Yes and ELP. Thanks, Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 8:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Couple of questions Livemiles is from 2 seperate concerts but as I remember people who were at the Albuquerque concert said it was not the concert they were at. As for Logos Live you just need to look on the CD's before Logos' release for the studio versions. THE HIGHLANDER >I bought two TD CDs on a record fair today. One was Logos Live and the other >was Livemiles. Now that I studied the CDs I noticed Livemiles are from two >concerts, Albuquerque and Berlin. Is that really the case? The CD looks like >an official BMG/Jive release but the person I bought it from sometimes sells >bootlegs so I wonder if this CD really comes like that. > >And about Logos Live - if this is a concert recording, is there a studio >version of Logos? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28886 Re: Couple of questions Michael A Jean Sat 9/1/2001 3 KB 28887 Re: Couple of questions Robert Grabowsky Sun 9/2/2001 2 KB 28888 Re: Couple of questions goozer@a... Sun 9/2/2001 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Sep 2, 2001 12:54 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Couple of questions I guess I am missing all those CDs that have Logos studio versions...hahaha > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Grabowsky [mailto:hghlndr@t...] > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 3:14 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Couple of questions > > > Livemiles is from 2 seperate concerts but as I remember people who were > at the Albuquerque concert said it was not the concert they were at. > > As for Logos Live you just need to look on the CD's before Logos' > release for the studio versions. > > THE HIGHLANDER > > > > >I bought two TD CDs on a record fair today. One was Logos Live > and the other > >was Livemiles. Now that I studied the CDs I noticed Livemiles > are from two > >concerts, Albuquerque and Berlin. Is that really the case? The > CD looks like > >an official BMG/Jive release but the person I bought it from > sometimes sells > >bootlegs so I wonder if this CD really comes like that. > > > >And about Logos Live - if this is a concert recording, is there a studio > >version of Logos? > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28887 Re: Couple of questions Robert Grabowsky Sun 9/2/2001 2 KB 28888 Re: Couple of questions goozer@a... Sun 9/2/2001 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun Sep 2, 2001 2:31 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Couple of questions Without going back and listening to Logos I can't tell you where the individual pieces come from but here are the break downs from the booklet. 0.00, 4.32, 7.01, 11.50, 20.16, 25.45, 30.06, 35.11, 42.16 Hope this helps you, THE HIGHLANDER At 07:54 PM 9/1/01 -0500, you wrote: >I guess I am missing all those CDs that have Logos studio versions...hahaha > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28888 Re: Couple of questions goozer@a... Sun 9/2/2001 2 KB From: goozer@a... Date: Sun Sep 2, 2001 2:57 am Subject: Re: Couple of questions What Mike is hinting at is that the material released on _Logos_ was/is *unique* to that release! There is *NO* 'earlier release' of * any* of the _Logos_ material, unless you count the film 'The Soldier' (which featured three of the themes-one in a fleshed out arrangement and mix to be sure.) The themes used in 'The Keep' don't count, as the film hadn't been released yet. goozer --- In tadream@y..., Robert Grabowsky wrote: > Without going back and listening to Logos I can't tell you where the > individual pieces come from but here are the break downs from the booklet. > > 0.00, 4.32, 7.01, 11.50, 20.16, 25.45, 30.06, 35.11, 42.16 > > Hope this helps you, > THE HIGHLANDER > > > > At 07:54 PM 9/1/01 -0500, you wrote: > >I guess I am missing all those CDs that have Logos studio versions...hahaha > > From: gmroger@p... Date: Sun Sep 2, 2001 2:10 pm Subject: The Poland report Okay, here's the full account of what went on that day in Warsaw. I should also really thank Piotr S. Millenium (bAG) for acting as a guide not just for us, but for some of the Polish fans too. 5.40pm. Myself and my wife Joanna arrive at the Irish Pub in Warsaw. See Jorge Figueiredo's wife Paula standing outside the door looking out for us. We had actually met two days earlier in Krakow where list members and wives spent a pleasant day together, culminating in coffee at our flat and a chat on our collections. Thankfully, we both seem to be pretty normal as collections do include other artists as well as Tangerine Dream. We also travelled up to Warsaw together on the train, and once there the concert did seem to be well advertised with posters in quite a few places, along with the same faces that appeared in the promoter's website - Edgar, Jerome, Gerald and the other guy whom I can't remember (not that it mattered, as to no-one's surprise he wasn't there). Paula tells us that virtually all of the fans inside are dressed in Black for some reason. In fact, the list members that were already there were from the separate Polish list, but nevertheless very friendly. The only other list members that had already arrived was Piotr S. and, if I remember, 'Lord Hayden'. He actually told me he was looking for me at the Shepherd's Bush concert as he was curious to see my name on Paul Fellows' original list, but having come from Poland. I used the opportunity to practice my Polish with him and the rest of the crowd and, to my credit, got on surprisingly well. Lord Hayden (Sorry mate, I forgot your real name), wanted me to correct his English but, as I really wanted to rest as a teacher, politely explained in Polish. I did agree that they could all speak English to me whilst I returned the conversation in Polish. One guy there had actually been to the infamous concert in 1983, so in my best Polish I put the questions most fans are curious to know the answers to. 'Is what you heard at the concert the same as the album?' 'No, it's different!' 'How many power cuts were there?' 'Oh, only the one. It lasted twenty minutes.' 'Was it cold?' 'Yes!' Later, Vic Rek arrives and we introduce ourselves, and as far as we know, that was all the list members that had made it. No sign of Olle or Chris. Vic said that earlier he had been to the bridge to recce the situation, and happened to arrive at a soundcheck and happened to speak to Edgar Froese himself! 'A very funny guy.' He tells me, as I try to imagine a usually sombre Edgar telling jokes. 'Oh, and Jerome too.' Vic, Piotr and the rest of them explain to us that the group had actually held a press conference earlier, but just six questions were fielded (we were also told the translations were terrible). then that was it, ending somewhat abruptly. The fans also explained that we would have to leave early, as the bridge will be closed. Oh, and there would now be TWO female percussionists... 7.00pm. Envisaging a concert on the bridge itself with everybody sitting on the banks of the River Vistula, I was surprised to find out this was not the case, but in a park on the east side (the Praga side). So, a group of eight of us headed off to the bus stop, took the short ride over the river and then walked up to the park on the other side. Piotr's family later join us, and at this point I was thankful that these guys knew exactly where to go. This was something that neither Jorge or I had expected. 7.30pm. Arrive at park. The stage can quite clearly be seen, and it has to be said it was situated with an impressive backdrop of the city and, of course, the bridge. Even though there was still an hour to go, a lot of people were making their way or had already arrived. All surrounding roads had been closed off, and security checkpoints were set up on the way for checking bags. Piotr then advises us of the best place to stand and watch the concert. From what we could see at that point, the bridge and city were clearly in view, we could see the stage (albeit from a distance), and we also had views of a video screen that had also been set up. 7.45pm. Jorge and I are curious about some small marquees on the other side of the stage, so we tell the wives to wait for us whilst we check them out, possibly for TD souvenirs (as Duncan Mckee had already asked me to get hold of what I could find). Sadly there's only a restaurant, and a place serving kielbasa (sausage) and bread. I never really expected to see TD souvenirs sold, and hadn't even seen anybody walking around with any. Come to think of it, apart from one of the Polish list members wearing a blue 1997 TD tee-shirt, fan adoration in the form of said clothing was considerably absent. (Earlier, I thought I had packed my DM3 tee-shirt for the occasion and was somewhat deflated at the time to discover it wasn't there) It looks like virtually everyone here has come to the concert not knowing anything about the group, but perhaps came out of curiosity, for the fireworks or whatever. The age range of the crowd was completely across the board. 8.00pm. Starting to get dark. Piotr announces he has one backstage pass, but he isn't interested because the sound will be lousy and it's not a good view anyway. One of the Polish guys gets the pass. Look at watch. Amazing how time seems to slow down waiting. Wives sitting on ground using empty Pizza Hut box. 8.10pm. Video screens start to flash names of sponsors for the event, as well as shots of a tangerine. Displayed on the left of the stage is a huge board declaring 'The MOST beautiful rock for peace'. (Most being Polish for bridge.) Start to think about why the concert was moved one day earlier. Was it because there would be many other events that day or did Edgar and Jerome not want to miss the Germany - England game that would take place that evening? If that was the reason, I bet they wished they hadn't bothered. 8.15pm. 'So, would you like to lay bets on what they'll start the concert with?' asks Jorge. I thought for a moment, and said 'it'll either be Poland, or even 'Warsaw in the Sun.' 8.30pm. Announcements begin. Master of Ceremonies mentions all the sponsors, and also gives a brief history of the band. Joanna partly translated for me, and appears that what she understood was factually correct. We learn that at the end of the concert there will be a song performed dedicated to the reconciliation of Germany and Poland. 8.45pm And it starts! Interesting intro - 'Between Realities' from Firestarter. Glad I now took bit of paper and pencil. This then launches into 'Poland' - the DM3 version. Win bet. No, not really. One thing I brought with me was a pair of binoculars, and am now glad I brought them. Even though the images were coming through clear as day on the video screens (intermixed with especially filmed shots, mostly time-lapse, of Warsaw, plus that tangerine) I still wanted to see the group with my own eyes as we quite a distance away. Through them I could see Edgar (who seemed to really enjoying himself), our two percussionists, Gerald on guitar and... well, I didn't really see this when I was at Shepherd's Bush as I was sitting right at the back, but Jerome... Jerome old chap, you're looking a little bit podgy these days. After camera shots of his fingers, Paula was wondering how he could play the keyboards..! After 'Poland', and the musical bridges that would link all the pieces together, came, unsurprisingly, 'Warsaw in the Sun'. Now I'm sure most people are here for the curiosity value as there's no rapturous applause greeting the opening bars, However, applause could be clearly heard at the end as the musical bridge takes us into 'Comet's Figure Head'. Then comes the track that perhaps caused the most controversy among fans at Shepherd's Bush - 'Force Majeure' and the dreaded bongos. But wait - this time, although the bongos are clearly there, they are not so prominent in the mix. In fact, I think a few lessons were definitely learned from the London experience. TD seemed a hell of a lot more confident this evening. Around this time, the fireworks were being let off, and an impressive laser show got a few 'ooohs' and 'ahhs' from the crowd. Just as impressive was the way the bridge itself was being used as a prop, being lit in all manner of colour. Hell, even the Palace of Culture and Science - the city's tallest building, got into the act in its own way, pointing its searchlights in the direction of the concert. All this would compliment the whole evening. The next musical bridge - clearly recognizable as 'Pergamon - the piano part' takes us into a fan favourite and a regular staple of TD concerts - 'Going West'. Then it's into 'Lamb with Radar Eyes'. The screens frequently show us shots of Edgar and Jerome's keyboard playing which seemed a little more animated from what I saw in London (but not much more. As Jorge puts it, Mr. HardDisk was perhaps doing the most work). This then takes us into 'The Comfort Zone'. Again, it is evident that everyone on stage is clearly enjoying themselves (I think even Jerome broke into a smile once!). The bars of 'Comfort' then led into a piece I'd heard before but just couldn't put my finger on what album it came from. Jorge didn't know either, although he thought it may have been 'Optical Race' (As it turns out, he wasn't far wrong as, after checking, it was 'Longing for Cashba', from the I-Box). Our ladies are drumming away frantically, Gerald was allowed to let rip with his guitar and this closed the first half of the concert, now characterized by Edgar and Jerome getting up from their set-ups and leaving the ladies to get on with it on the percussion. Hell, even Gerald's got into that particular act too! Polite applause at the end of this part, which also greeted the return of Edgar and Jerome, and we then go into 'Prime Time'. A long musical bridge (I assume) - it was quite long and it certainly something neither Jorge and I had heard before - took us into the DM2 version of 'Towards the Evening Star'. It was around this time, I think, that Joanna - who was quite enjoying the concert - suggested we try and get as close to the stage as possible. As it turned out, it wouldn't be possible to get to the front as there was a fence set up where the main video screen was. We learned that all the people watching at the front were 'invited guests'. Roughly translated, all the friends and family of all the event sponsors, plus VIP's. A return to Mars Polaris for 'Outland' and then into 'Timesquare' (What A Blast) version. I can actually see a few people dancing. Even I'm kind of 'jigging' to the music. It's quite clear now I'm enjoying this. The large crowd is still there, despite premonitions from the Polish TD fans that '...most will disappear after an hour, leaving only the real fans'. I'm happy he's wrong. On this occasion I'm happy to be standing and not sitting as I can 'move' a little. This then reminded me of Shepherd's Bush where the vast majority of fans standing didn't even move. I'm now beginning to think that Edgar is right and we fans, so entrenched in the good old days, just haven't got the point of it all. 'Astrophobia' from DM3 takes us into 'Beauty of the Blast', and then to the Sony Topping-out ceremony piece, the re- arranged version of 'Empire of the Sun' - the same version performed in London. And that was the main performance - and the audience really showed their appreciation. The calls of an encore were perhaps not as vociferous as Shepherd's Bush, but they were there. And the band duly came out - performing 'Stereolight' followed by 'Diamonds and Dust'. And it's still not the end. Edgar, beaming cheek to cheek, thanks the individual members, and the other percussionist is revealed as Jeanette - a Cuban. Gerald was the only one who actually said 'dziekuje' which was appreciated by the crowd. Edgar then announced - in English - that it's time for a little song to mark the bridge linking the two sides of the city. A petite blonde Polish singer, Kasia Stankiewicz takes to the stage, and with the band performing the music, sings a song of peace. I have to confess it wasn't the most memorable of tunes, but for TD fans with tape recorders, it was perhaps another rare piece of music by the band that they'd be able to add to their collections. Actually, Jorge and I really think that this concert may be a favourite for a possible live CD release - even a video, as the screens did display a quite slick, professional presentation. And it's still not over. Edgar's back on the mike, and announces 'Now it's time for some fireworks!' A spectacular fireworks display is accompanied by 'Mobocoaster'. 'Thank you and see you all again soon!' Edgar obviously likes Poland. And that really is it. After three hours - which really did fly by - we enjoyed it (it was much better than London), and even the wives enjoyed it very much. The large crowd that was there enjoyed it very much too. Edgar and co. really did put on a show (with plenty of help from the Warsaw city government) and, whether we fans like it or not, the girls did help give the show a bit of percussive rhythmical 'oomph' which kept the audience there and didn't sent them home. We said goodbye to Piotr and the rest of the Polish guys and made our way back to our hotels. I've come to the conclusion, after having gone to both concerts, that ordinary folk actually enjoy Tangerine Dream concerts even more than the fans, and that's kind of sad. Edgar and co are trying to introduce more people into their music, and when they get the atmosphere, really do enjoy performing live and hopefully this fills them with plenty of confidence for the upcoming tour of the states. So, my message to you all is - FORGET the past. Go for the standing areas if you can. I would now love to go across and see them again, but unfortunately that won't be possible. Now, Edgar, Krakow will have a couple of new bridges opening up in the near future. I don't suppose... - Roger Hartopp -- OnetKomunikator - porozumiesz sie z innymi [ http://ok.onet.pl/instaluj.html ] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28892 Re: The Poland report Utch Entel Sun 9/2/2001 2 KB 28893 Re: The Poland report baG Sun 9/2/2001 2 KB 28896 Re: The Poland report - my addition olle.rundgren@s... Sun 9/2/2001 7 KB 28905 Re: The Poland report Hilary Wright Mon 9/3/2001 2 KB 28906 Re: The Poland report Jorge Figueiredo Mon 9/3/2001 10 KB 28911 Re: The Poland report 3N Tue 9/4/2001 7 KB 28919 Re: The Poland report Jorge Figueiredo Tue 9/4/2001 3 KB 28925 Re: The Poland report baG Wed 9/5/2001 2 KB 28945 Re: The Poland report Piotr'Millennium' Thu 9/6/2001 2 KB From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Sun Sep 2, 2001 3:38 pm Subject: warsaw the big question is:- DID ANYONE TAPE THE CONCERT? Duncan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28895 Re: warsaw Piotr'Millennium' Sun 9/2/2001 2 KB From: webmaster@v... Date: Sun Sep 2, 2001 3:49 pm Subject: Update of 'Voices In The Net' Hi all, you might be interested in knowing that 'Voices In The Net' has been updated today... http://www.voices-in-the-net.de Best regards... and enjoy T-Dreaming, Michael Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30155 Update of 'Voices In The Net' webmaster@v... Sat 11/17/2001 2 KB 30227 Re: Update of 'Voices In The Net' chris towers Fri 11/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Sun Sep 2, 2001 4:24 pm Subject: Re: The Poland report Hi, Roger! I absolutely loved your accounting of the event! Excellent perspectives you've shown us. Even thought I know that the Ventura, CA concert won't be near as spectacular as Poland's, you have really got me excited to see them (my first time) in November. Thanks, again for your report! ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Writing is not necessarily something to be ashamed of, but do it in private and wash your hands afterwards. --Robert Heinlein From: baG Date: Sun Sep 2, 2001 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Poland report Roger wrote: > Okay, here's the full account of what went on that day in Warsaw. I > should also really thank Piotr S. Millenium (bAG) for acting as a guide > not just for us, but for some of the Polish fans too. > [...] Piotr Millenium and baG are different persons ;). It was nice to meet all of you in Warsaw. -- baG http://tadream.ac.pl/ icq.uin:____119764034 pgp.key.id:0xDEC388C2 From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Sun Sep 2, 2001 7:51 pm Subject: Re: Source of album names Hi, James! >I seem to remember somebody posting an explanation of some of the TD album >names to the old UWP list back in 95 or 96. I'm not sure where all the >facts came from, but here's some of what I remember (augmented from >dictionary and my own imagination %): I love this thread... ...it is interesting to hear how some of these names came about. I remember reading this excerpt from Duncan's web page: Quichotte: Quichotte is (at least) the French spelling of 'Quijote'. The character's full name is 'Don Quijote de la Mancha' (he named himself that way early in the book when he decided to become a knight). He is the epic hero of Cerventes who attacked windmills thinking they were giants. When I went to Universal Studios in California this summer I noticed a street named Cahuenga (from Rolling Down Cahuenga). ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- A pipe give a wise man time to think, and a fool something to stick in his mouth. --Unknown From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' Date: Sun Sep 2, 2001 7:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] warsaw Hi Duncan, I recorded 3 hours on miniDV Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > the big question is:- > DID ANYONE TAPE THE CONCERT? > > > Duncan From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Sun Sep 2, 2001 9:52 pm Subject: Re: The Poland report - my addition --- In tadream@y..., gmroger@p... wrote: > Okay, here's the full account of what went on that day in Warsaw. I was preparing a review myself, kind of critical, but then I logged on to the list and found Roger's message. After that I decided to erase it all. I must say that was indeed an excellent review Roger. I didn't get to meet You all at the Pub because I arrived at the airport about half past five. Shocked to hear how little the exchange office at the airport wanted to give me for my Swedish Crowns, I decided to go find an exchange office in the city instead. Didn't find any exchange office but a bank - - still open after half past six, is that common in Poland? It was certainly worth it as they gave me a rate that was well above 25 per cent better. The Swedish Crown really sucks these days so it really is bad enough as it it is. Well, after walking around for a while my wife wanted to have something to eat so we went to a restaurant, and as I just hate to eat in a hurry it was close to eight before we hurried back to the hotel for a quick shower and change of clothes for the event. We stayed at the Praski Hotel, and from what I understand from the map, the Pub was on the other side of the river and even though my wife really urged me to go there I said we would never arrive on time, and judging from Roger's message I was right. We took a walk to the bridge, easy to find with help from friendly people in the streets (and of course by following the flow. Lots of people were heading there). The opening minutes of the concert we heard from a distance but soon enough we were at the spot. My wife is good at finding the way through crowds so in a few minutes we were standing near the fence, close to the big tv-screen and I guess that was as good a spot as one could find. Kind of sad that they had put the fence so far away from the stage though. It was only on the tv-monitor that it was really possible to distinguish the faces of the people on stage. Since I had promised to get some TD merchandise for another listmember we moved around a bit during the concert. Of course we didn't find anything and I'm glad to hear that you didn't either Roger. Proof that I didn't screw up, at least. What can be said about the concert that hasn't already been said? Well, they really gave the Polish tax payers (they must have payed for it I guess) value for the money. Almost three hours worth of music. I wasn't at SB to see the concert earlier this year but I have the recording and think this was pretty much in the same vein. Without being too critical I must admit that I found myself concentrating on other things than the music at times since, as my wife so eloquently put it, 'it´s the same thing all the time'. My attention was sharpened when they played the Force majeure mix, extracts from Logos, Towards the evening star, which is one of the really good TD anthems of the 90's. Then there was Timessquare, TD's answer to Los Endos by Genesis. A nice tune that doesn't evolve in the way I think it should but still would be an excellent way to finish a concert. They play Beauty of the blast from, in my opinion, the best album of the 90's. That track really works well with the heavy emphasis on percussion that seems to be the trademark of TD these days. Some interesting notes is that the first time I saw Edgar smile was after two hours but efter that he smiled frequently. Unfortunately he fired of a smile during the encore when playing that DM3-remix of Encore (Stereolight is it?). To me that seemed like an odd place to smile. The Encore album is a masterpiece that shouldn't come with a smile (shouldn't be remixed either if I had any say in it, which I don't). Edgar turned out to be a real crowd pleaser towards the end and I second Roger's opinion that he really seems to like the Polish audience. The number with the Polish woman singing was beyond my understanding but certainly popular and the music to the final fireworks was probably the perfect way to say goodbye. The crowd came along and they stayed until the very end. That is an evidence as good as any that there are people who like it. Would they also pay to see a concert? Nobody knows. It was good to be there. Now I have seen them and might even do so again depending on the next step. As opposed to Roger I wouldn't dream of crossing the Atlantic to see this show again but I might well consider attending another concert in the future if they head on in a direction interesting enough. Before reading Roger's message I could have sworn that the new lady on stage was a Brazilian: She obviously wasn't but still I would say that a trip to Brazil would do Edgar good. Not just because it's a fascinating country but since percussion is the name of the game that could lead to a really interesting evolution. Dream Mixes 4, with a tropical twist, why not? /Olle -And thanks again Jorge, your help was most useful- From: Liondream@a... Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 5:00 am Subject: Translation Well, maybe not perfect, but here goes... Tangerine Dream: Rock dla pokoju Tangerine Dream: Rock for peace 31 sierpnia 2001 roku na Moscie Swietokrzyskim w Warszawie wystapi slynna niemiecka formacja Tangerine Dream. 31 August 2001 year on the Swietokrzyski Bridge in Warsaw the famous German group Tangerine Dream will perform Grupa wystapi na wielkim plenerowym koncercie upamietniajacym 62. rocznice wybuchu II wojny swiatowej. Przedsiewziecie nosi tytul 'The Most Beautiful Rock For Peace' i towarzyszyc bedzie mu bogata oprawa multimedialna. Po raz pierwszy zaprezentowany zostanie w Polsce 'ekran wodny' - prezentacja obrazu na tafli rzeki. The group will perform an important concert commemorating the 62d anniversary of the outset of World War II. The event will be named 'The Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' and will be accompanied by a rich multimedia presentation. For the first time in Poland will be seen a water screen, e.g. projection of images on the surface of the river. Podczas wczorajszej konferencji prasowej w warszawskim Hotelu Mercury muzycy zdradzili, ze na koncercie wykonaja utwory ze swojej najnowszej plyty zatytulowanej 'Dream Mixes - The Past Hundred Moons'. Piosenke 'The Bridge Song', skomponowana przez lidera zespolu Edgara Froese, wykona wraz z zespolem gosc specjalny - Kasia Stankiewicz. Angielskojezyczna wersja tej piosenki znajdzie sie prawdopodobnie na kolejnej plycie zespolu. At yesterday's press conference at the Hotel Mercury in Warsaw, the musicians revealed that they will play compositions from their newest album named 'Dream Mixes - The Past Hundred Moons.' The song 'The Bridge Song' composed by the group's leader, Edgar Froese, will feature a guest performance by Kasia Stankiewicz. An English version of this song will most likely be on the group's next album. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 10:09 am Subject: Fright Night 2 I missed how this thread ended, but I do remember there being confusion over the score .I heard a review of Fright Night 2 which was described as having a 'dated TD sounding score'and the clip I heard sounded good and very much like 80s TD . Does anybody have this score on CD ? Paul From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 11:02 am Subject: TDI update HI just a quick note Berlin OCT 7th sold out and added to the bottom of tour list is Vancouver with no date as yet. Cheers Gary. From: Peter Ravn Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 1:02 pm Subject: 3 tickets for the Bernau shows Hi, Some friends of me won't go for the show so then I have 3 tickets left for the Bernau oct. 7 concerts: 1 * 19.30 show, Right sideship, left row 7 price 55 DM 2 * 23.00 show, Middle ship, right, row 8 price 85 DM each Contact me offlist if you are interested... See you there... Regards, Peter Ravn pr@r... & peter@r... From: Antonio Nunes Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Couple of questions Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media wrote: > Now that I studied the CDs I noticed Livemiles are from two > concerts, Albuquerque and Berlin. Is that really the case? The CD looks like > an official BMG/Jive release but the person I bought it from sometimes sells > bootlegs so I wonder if this CD really comes like that. Of course Livemiles is an official album, otherwise it wouldn't be included in the TD official homepage (http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/livemiles.html) Please note that the artwork shown there may be different from the CD you have. > And about Logos Live - if this is a concert recording, is there a studio > version of Logos? Yes, it's called Tangents ;-) Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28902 Re: Couple of questions j.gordon Mon 9/3/2001 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 2:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Couple of questions Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media wrote: > Now that I studied the CDs I noticed Livemiles are from two > concerts, Albuquerque and Berlin. Is that really the case? The CD looks like > an official BMG/Jive release but the person I bought it from sometimes sells > bootlegs so I wonder if this CD really comes like that. remember, though, that Livemiles is close to 75-80% studio creation... while sections of the Al. concert were played live (parts 2 and 3, i believe), they were not played on the night this concert was supposed to be recorded... and, while the first 8 minutes of the berlin concert were played on the date it mentions, that version is not on Livemiles, do to contract reasons, i believe... whether the version that you hear on the CD is from another live show, or just 'studio-d' like the rest of the berlin concert, is, as far as i know, a matter of debate... cheers... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 5:33 pm Subject: Spree.com is eliminating their websites Oh hell. The place where all my websites are hosted is eliminating their free website feature and removing all their websites from cyberspace on September 20th. For details, http://www.spree.com/benefits/freeweb.asp tells the story. I'm going to have to scramble to do something about this. And I'm going to have to change the URLs in hundreds and hundreds of links and pages. Bleh. Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 5:35 pm Subject: Any free web hosting with *lots* of megs available? Hi, Anybody know of any sites that offer lots of storage space for free? If so, contact me *offlist* as soon as possible. -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28908 Re: Any free web hosting with *lots* of megs avai rubyconist@y... Tue 9/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 6:49 pm Subject: Re: The Poland report Roger, Thanks for this wonderful report. It really had me sitting on the edge of my seat while reading it. You very obviously enjoyed the concert just as much as the band seemed to! Thanks again. Hilary --- In tadream@y..., gmroger@p... wrote: > Okay, here's the full account of what went on that day in Warsaw. From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 10:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Poland report Hello, After my return to Portugal, and also my return to work, I finally have some minutes to say something about the concert. Not that it's going to be easy after the detailed account given by Roger. Let me start by saying that it was wonderful to see TD for the first time, and by thanking Piotr for the needed guidance. And of course to Roger for the great moments we had together, both in Krakow and Warsaw. gmroger@p... wrote: > 5.40pm. Myself and my wife Joanna arrive at the Irish Pub in Warsaw. > See Jorge Figueiredo's wife Paula standing outside the door looking > out for us. We had actually met two days earlier in Krakow where list > members and wives spent a pleasant day together, culminating in > coffee at our flat and a chat on our collections. Thankfully, we both > seem to be pretty normal as collections do include other artists as > well as Tangerine Dream. We also travelled up to Warsaw together on > the train, and once there the concert did seem to be well advertised > with posters in quite a few places, along with the same faces that > appeared in the promoter's website - Edgar, Jerome, Gerald and the > other guy whom I can't remember (not that it mattered, as to no-one's > surprise he wasn't there). I arrived earlier at the pub and presented myself to Piotr and the other polish fans - sorry fellows, but even if I remembered all the names I couldn't spell them correctly. It was a bit difficult at first to make contact in english but we managed fine at the end. And when Joanna arrived we could have some professional translation. As Roger wrote, I found that TD fans are just a fairly normal friendly group of guys (and wives)... :-) > Later, Vic Rek arrives and we introduce ourselves, and as far as we > know, that was all the list members that had made it. No sign of Olle > or Chris. Vic said that earlier he had been to the bridge to recce > the situation, and happened to arrive at a soundcheck and happened to > speak to Edgar Froese himself! 'A very funny guy.' He tells me, as I > try to imagine a usually sombre Edgar telling jokes. 'Oh, and Jerome > too.' Well, you should ask Vic Rek what he heard from Edgar regarding fans. :-) Olle, were you there at the concert? > Vic, Piotr and the rest of them explain to us that the group had > actually held a press conference earlier, but just six questions were > fielded (we were also told the translations were terrible). then that > was it, ending somewhat abruptly. Not without a photograph and autograph session with some of the polish fans, as can be seen in Piotr's webpage. > The fans also explained that we would have to leave early, as the > bridge will be closed. Oh, and there would now be TWO female > percussionists... At this time at the pub I was thinking: 'Oh my God, double bongos' :-) > Come to think of it, apart from one of the > Polish list members wearing a blue 1997 TD tee-shirt, fan adoration > in the form of said clothing was considerably absent. (Earlier, I > thought I had packed my DM3 tee-shirt for the occasion and was > somewhat deflated at the time to discover it wasn't there) It looks > like virtually everyone here has come to the concert not knowing > anything about the group, but perhaps came out of curiosity, for the > fireworks or whatever. The age range of the crowd was completely > across the board. Funny, I thought that I would be the only one without a TD t-shirt... Regarding the age range, the promoters said they were planning this concert as a family event, which I think they succeeded. > Start to think about why the concert was moved one day earlier. Was > it because there would be many other events that day or did Edgar and > Jerome not want to miss the Germany - England game that would take > place that evening? If that was the reason, I bet they wished they > hadn't bothered. No, probably it had something to do with Poland - Norway football game that saturday. By the way congratulations to Poland for the qualification to the World Cup. > 8.45pm And it starts! Interesting intro - 'Between Realities' from Firestarter. Glad I now took bit of paper and pencil. And I'm also glad you did, Roger. Being my first concert of TD I completely forgot that the list would want to know the playlist. ;-) Anyway, Roger did a better job than I would. He was too fast for me in the track identification... > Through them I could see Edgar (who seemed to really enjoying > himself) Yes, he was laughing at times, mostly to the Iris side of the stage. > Jerome old chap, you're looking a little bit podgy these days. After > camera shots of his fingers, Paula was wondering how he could play > the keyboards..! I think it's not difficult when you're miming or just kicking off the sequences start. > But wait - this time, although the bongos are clearly there, they are > not so prominent in the mix. In fact, I think a few lessons were > definitely learned from the London experience. They weren't annoying at all but, IMHO, didn't add much to the whole sound either. I can imagine that TD put the percussionists there only to give a more 'live' sound and to give the audience something to look at. Nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more... :-) > Again, it is evident that everyone on stage is clearly enjoying > themselves (I think even Jerome broke into a smile once!). Not always. Through Roger's binoculars I caught Jerome very angry once when some fireworks were making a lot of off-tempo noise, and saying something about it to Gerald. > A petite blonde Polish singer, Kasia Stankiewicz takes to the stage, > and with the band performing the music, sings a song of peace. I have > to confess it wasn't the most memorable of tunes, but for TD fans > with tape recorders, it was perhaps another rare piece of music by > the band that they'd be able to add to their collections. This new song wasn't really good at all, IMHO. To me, it sounded too much like a Eurovision Song Contest tune. The younger crowd were raving at this part of the show, only because of Kasia off course. I heard she was regarded as the Polish answer to Britney Spears. ;-) And Duncan, rest assured. There is a tape of the concert! > Actually, Jorge and I really think that this concert may be a > favourite for a possible live CD release - even a video, as the > screens did display a quite slick, professional presentation. The whole show was a huge production with lots of lighting equipment, lasers, fireworks and videowalls involved. Something that reminded me a lot of Jarre's shows. I wouldn't be surprised if this show was to be broadcasted in polish TV someday, or to see a video release. > And that really is it. After three hours - which really did fly by - > we enjoyed it (it was much better than London), and even the wives > enjoyed it very much. I certainly did enjoy it very much. It was my first opportunity to see TD live and probably my last, which turns it into a very special moment for me. My wife isn't a TD fan but she enjoyed it as well, and the funny thing is that she preferred the first part of the concert (the vintage set), exactly the opposite of what I expected. The only thing my wife disliked were the mosquitos... > The large crowd that was there enjoyed it very much too. I think so too. And was marvellous to see several thousands (mostly ordinary folk) attending a TD concert and enjoying it. > Now, Edgar, Krakow will have a couple of new bridges opening up in the near future. I don't suppose... Sorry Roger, but TDI previously announced a concert in Portugal and we have some new bridges as well. In fact, there is one nearing completion less then a kilometre away from my home which looks exactly like Most Swietokrzyski. ;-) Well, for a lurker I've written too much for today... Bye, Jorge Figueiredo From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 11:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Poland report - my addition olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > I didn't get to meet You all at the Pub because I arrived at the > airport about half past five. It was a pity you didn't make it on time for the pub meeting. > Before reading Roger's message I could have sworn that the new lady > on stage was a Brazilian: She obviously wasn't but still I would say > that a trip to Brazil would do Edgar good. Not just because it's a > fascinating country but since percussion is the name of the game that > could lead to a really interesting evolution. Dream Mixes 4, with a > tropical twist, why not? You already have TD with a brazilian twist in 'Antarktis' (samba motel). Bye and see you next time, Jorge Figueiredo From: rubyconist@y... Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 6:02 am Subject: Re: Any free web hosting with *lots* of megs available? --- In tadream@y..., scfeldman@j... wrote: > Hi, > Anybody know of any sites that offer lots of storage > space for free? If so, contact me *offlist* as soon as > possible. > > -- Steven Feldman Try 'http://www.graffiti.net'. From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 6:21 am Subject: Warsaw report Roger, That was very well done. Thank you for that!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: tom807@a... Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 1:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Those were the days (Froese/Schulze/Schnitzler live) In a message dated 8/31/01 3:01:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, heiko.heerssen@h... writes: > Hi, > yesterday I received the latest issue of the 'KS circle' (No. 61), which > is the official magazine of the Klaus Schulze fanclub. Included is a > recent interview with Klaus, and there is one excerpt which I think is > quite amusing/interesting. The article is in German but thanks to Armin > Theissen here's the English translation of what Klaus Schulze had to say > about those freaked out times: > > 'One day we played with Tangerine Dream on a festival in some castle. > Lasted the entire weekend, and we visited Guru Guru wo lived > somewhere around. And these guys dropped us some trips into our tea. > Just before the gig! Geez... That was a gig! Conny Schnitzler had a > violin with a pickup which he just held in front of the speaker, and > it just screamed the whole time. Edgar told us later that he thought > the guitar neck was 10 meters long and he couldn't reach it. And me > with my drums - I hit them and the sound arrived only half a minute > later. Just for a brief moment, in one of those brighter moments you > have on such trips, I saw a guy in the front row - he was 10 meters > away from me for sure and I thought he stood right in front of me - > and he just said: 'Man, these guys are kaputt'. > It was probably a great show! Tom Lyle MP3.com - tom807 SoundStage! The $ensible Sound [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: '3N' Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 8:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Poland report Hello dreamfuns from all the world! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorge Figueiredo To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] The Poland report > Hello, > > > After my return to Portugal, and also my return to work, I finally have > some minutes to say something about the concert. Not that it's going to > be easy after the detailed account given by Roger. > Ha, now I know! You are 'George' from Irish Pub! BTW. It was very very nice to see you all in Warsaw. > > > No, probably it had something to do with Poland - Norway football game > that saturday. By the way congratulations to Poland for the > qualification to the World Cup. Oh, big thanx! > > Jerome old chap, you're looking a little bit podgy these days. After > > camera shots of his fingers, Paula was wondering how he could play > > the keyboards..! > > I think it's not difficult when you're miming or just kicking off the > sequences start. Hmm, whitch sequences start??? Jorge! All sequences and the first and second synthesators planes played from cubase vst with big wav on hdd! We was on friday's night on 'soudcheck' and it was very god hearing. I think thats Edgar and Jerome on 90% time played only slow acords on 17th plane ;))). He was like manekins. > > > > But wait - this time, although the bongos are clearly there, they are > > not so prominent in the mix. In fact, I think a few lessons were > > definitely learned from the London experience. > > They weren't annoying at all but, IMHO, didn't add much to the whole > sound either. I can imagine that TD put the percussionists there only to > give a more 'live' sound and to give the audience something to look at. > Nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more... :-) HeHe, it's god! > > > > Again, it is evident that everyone on stage is clearly enjoying > > themselves (I think even Jerome broke into a smile once!). > > Not always. Through Roger's binoculars I caught Jerome very angry once > when some fireworks were making a lot of off-tempo noise, and saying > something about it to Gerald. And Jerome shouted at Gerald, who sometimes played on gitar to loud and with hard rock impression. But for me it was very interesting. And at all, he played much more than Zlatko on 97tour and, for me, better. > > This new song wasn't really good at all, IMHO. To me, it sounded too > much like a Eurovision Song Contest tune. The younger crowd were raving > at this part of the show, only because of Kasia off course. I heard she > was regarded as the Polish answer to Britney Spears. ;-) No comments :(((((((((! It was deplorable. No more! > > And Duncan, rest assured. There is a tape of the concert! Yes, on tape, on MD, on videoDC, maybe on dat... > > The whole show was a huge production with lots of lighting equipment, > lasers, fireworks and videowalls involved. Something that reminded me a > lot of Jarre's shows. I wouldn't be surprised if this show was to be > broadcasted in polish TV someday, or to see a video release. No! In TV was a short report from this show (about 12 minutes) with, of course, Kaszia :(((. > > I think so too. And was marvellous to see several thousands (mostly > ordinary folk) attending a TD concert and enjoying it. Was more than 30000 people (from TV report). And ten times more mosquitos ;))) > > Well, for a lurker I've written too much for today... Ha, welcome to the stage... > > > Bye, > > Jorge Figueiredo > Best wishes to Jorge and to all! JerzyK (3N - three eN) R-R orthodox ;))) 'The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.' PS. On Sunday I was with my oldest son (on my arm ;))) ) on very nice a gigshow with Depeche Mode. He played _live_ and was very interesting versions of my favourities songs ie. EnjoyTehSilence, BlackCelebration (!!), InYourRoom (it was keen for a heard), Clean, SisterOfNight and others.I very like new sound of DM. --------------------------------------------- Yugoton na Stegnach! Bilety u nas... http://rozrywka.interia.pl/yugoton/index.html From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 1:36 pm Subject: FW: TD Poland 1983 ***************************************************************** Hey folks, I'm not subscribed, but I've asked Joe to pass this on. My complete 'what really happened at Dominion 1982' dissertation and postings generated a lot of positive response and I'm hopeful that the following information will be similarly useful. I've finally got my mitts on what appears to the complete December 10th, 1983 Poland concert. I haven't tried to seriously measure track times yet as the tape is horribly warped. The speed starts out at least 15% too slow and gradually speeds up over time. The whole bootleg is at least 5% too slow and has a lot of pops, clicks, and is pretty low quality. There is a radio intro and then a radio clip between the two sets, and finally there's an electronic guitar bit at the end of the concert but before the encores, which may be the radio stations endcap. The recording is monophonic. My Set Two is broken up into 2 halves, but it is a seamless break in the beach/ocean sounds (end of Barbakane), so I can almost equivocably say that my Set Two is in the correct sequence. That said, here is my analysis of how the actual concert went down: Set One Poland faithful [Poland 0'46' to 22'30'] (not the very extended Japan June 1983 versions) Tangent faithful [Tangent 0'10' to 19'54'] Set Two Horizon parts 1+2 faithful [Horizon 0'00' to 14'05] Warsaw in the Sun (slightly more spirited) 6 1/2 minutes Barbakane part 3 [14'20' to 17'55'] (sequence after Warsaw in the Sun out to beach sounds-End of Barbakane) Power failure at this point? Female announcer for about a minute Sphinx Lightning [Sphinx Lightning (Hyperborea) 14'00' to 19'15'] Horizon faithful [Horizon 14'06' to 21'09'] (Horns of Doom-like sequence) Logos ending coda [Logos 42'16' to 44'47'] Encores Chronzon (8'20' version same as 1980-1982 live versions) Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe (White Eagle variation) Rarebird I can neither confirm nor deny whether the announcer speaking in Polish on the 2CD Poland release is genuine. Judging from Livemiles with the fake Spanish intro, it's hard to be sure without someone vouching one way or another. Having studied this, I can state quite confidently that, unlike the volumes of unreleased 1980, 1981 and 1982 material, the Poland 2CD set (I made my own recut 80 minute version which fits on 1 CD with nothing lost for my car) is really all you need for this concert. Yes, the second set is out of sequence, and the Warsaw in the Sun bit is not as improvised as it was during the concert but I have to say, Poland is probably closer to a real live release than any other TD concert in history (short of the release of Sheperd's Bush 96). And if we got the real Poland bootleg officially, we'd be missing a large part of Barbakane! I leave you with a question. They couldn't include Sphinx Lightning on the Poland CD, so they cooked up a Hyperboreaesque track, Barbakane. However, the first note on the first disc of the 2CD Poland release (before the announcement in Polish), is the opening clanging note of Sphinx Lightning. Do you think Edgar has a sense of humor? -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28926 Re: FW: TD Poland 1983 3N Wed 9/5/2001 7 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 2:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule And don't forget that the final question of the contest for the free tickets and travel to Klangart 99 was a question about a planned expedition to the North Pole, in search of land beyond (the world INSIDE the Earth)! Maybe Edgar's obsessed with lore of the North Pole? > -----Original Message----- > From: Adele Outland [mailto:outlanda60@h...] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:02 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule > > > That's interesting. Hyperborea means of the far north. It's > said to mean a > mythical place like a paradise to those who live in frozen > wastelands. > Wonder why the fascination with this idea? 8-) Dell > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > > > >From: Synthhtnys@a... > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [tadream] Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule > >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:01:46 EDT > > > >Hi gang, > >I'm on the word of the day list, and look what came today... > Thought some > >here might be interested in the origins of the word...... > Possible thread, > >'Origins of TD titles...'? > >Poly > > > > ultima Thule (UL-tuh-muh THOO-lee) noun > > > > > >> 1. The northernmost part of the world believed > habitable by the > >ancients. > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28915 Re: Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule RJF Tue 9/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 3:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Source of album names Thanks Utch, I hadn't gotten into track names, but that might be an interesting forray. Any takers? James > -----Original Message----- > Hi, James! > > I love this thread... ...it is interesting to hear how some of these > names came about. I remember reading this excerpt from Duncan's web > page: > > Quichotte: Quichotte is (at least) the French spelling of 'Quijote'. > The character's full name is 'Don Quijote de la Mancha' (he named > himself that way early in the book when he decided to become > a knight). > He is the epic hero of Cerventes who attacked windmills thinking they > were giants. > > When I went to Universal Studios in California this summer I noticed a > street named Cahuenga (from Rolling Down Cahuenga). From: RJF Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule >And don't forget that the final question of the contest for the free tickets >and travel to Klangart 99 was a question about a planned expedition to the >North Pole, in search of land beyond (the world INSIDE the Earth)! Maybe >Edgar's obsessed with lore of the North Pole? Does anyone know of a web site with more info on this subject From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 3:36 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--ultima thule Do you mean on the expedition to find the world on the inside of Earth, or North Pole lore in general? I was one of the finalists in the Klangart contest, so I can tell you all about the inside the Earth expedition... > -----Original Message----- > > >And don't forget that the final question of the contest for > the free tickets > >and travel to Klangart 99 was a question about a planned > expedition to the > >North Pole, in search of land beyond (the world INSIDE the > Earth)! Maybe > >Edgar's obsessed with lore of the North Pole? > > Does anyone know of a web site with more info on this subject From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 5:19 pm Subject: When I was a lad When I first got into Tangerine Dream many moons ago, I remember buying the vinyl copies of the latest albums. Up to a certain time there was a phone number in Germany printed on the album cover. I remember as a teen ringing it up and speaking to a female who told me Edgar was on tour and a new album was in the pipeline. Anyone else old enough to remember this? Was it Monique? Anyone else phone it? Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'simon heath' Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 6:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Those were the days (Froese/Schulze/Schnitzler live) heiko.heerssen@h... writes: etc Sounds like fun >the latest issue of the 'KS circle' (No. 61), I used to be in the circle, but so much was in German that I coudn't understand most of it!And all those track timings....it was more like accountancy than music.I didnt feel closer to KS , I felt the circle was around KDM( who is admittedly very helpful )But that little snippet was a gem, thanks for offering it to us translated. www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 7:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Poland report Hello, 3N wrote: > Ha, now I know! You are 'George' from Irish Pub! > BTW. It was very very nice to see you all in Warsaw. Yes, since the sound is very similar I thought it would be easier to use the anglicized version of my name. :-) > Was more than 30000 people (from TV report). And ten times more mosquitos > ;))) I couldn't tell how many people were there, but my estimates were something like 15 to 20 thousand. And yes, my wife still has a few bite marks from those nasty mosquitos. How was the post-concert meeting at the Pub? Is there anyway I can hear the music from that electronic musician from Kraków who was there at the pub? Mikolaj I think his name was. It was great meeting you guys, Jorge Figueiredo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28925 Re: The Poland report baG Wed 9/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 11:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD philly 10/20 onsale 9/21 >-----Original Message----- >From: tei waz >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com ; teiwazbarana@h... > >Date: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:27 PM >Subject: [tadream] TD philly 10/20 onsale 9/21 > >>TANGERINE DREAM Sat, 10/20/01 >>9:00PM Theatre of Living Arts >>Philadelphia, PA On Sale >>9/21/01 12:00PM >> Just checked the Electric Factory Concerts web site (they handle virtually shows in the Philly area) and it shows that TD tickets went on sale last week. But, alas, they are general admission...so, it's SRO. From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 7:46 am Subject: DJ DreamHead's report from Black Rock City Rolled into my driveway ~8:30am Tuesday after over 14 hours of driving home from Black Rock City, Nevada's 5th largest city. It was warm and *very* dusty at this year's Burning Man. I had my music packed up in a 5 gallon bucket with a lid which helped greatly to keep the ever-present playa dust at bay. The radio station arrived over a couple of days and was up and running on Tuesday. Essentially the station was set up inside a truck with a lift gate. The back doors were open and a construction of plexi & plywood served to block off the opening and allow the DJ to look out onto the open space we designed into Gigsville village (http://www.gigsville.org) I can see my camp from the control board inside the truck. Radio DJ shifts early in the week are 3 hours and due to greater demand later in the week, our shifts are 2 hours. WEDNESDAY 08/29 My friend, Mutech who rode up with me and is camped next door to me makes a request for TD. Mutech is also a TD fan, but not at my level; but saw TD perform live in '86. He makes a request to play 'Kiew Mission' from _Exit_, not knowing that I've used this piece to start my broadcast the four years I've DJ'd at Black Rock City. Since I have 3 hours to play with I break my show into two parts with its own theme. THE DESERT SESSION Kiew Mission - Exit Green Desert - Green Desert No Man's Land (Tangentized) _ Tangents disk1 Thru Metamorphic Rocks - Force Majeure Vulcano (unreleased EF)- Tangents disk5 Cloudburst Flight - Force Majeure Desert Drive - Lili on the Beach Firetoungues (the Break Freak mix) - Dream Mixes I The Comfort Zone - Dream Mixes III I played Comfort Zone as a dedication to film maker and friend Chuck Cirino who turned me onto Burning Man, through his show 'Weird TV'. The selection's title is a reference to a bumper sequence linking stuff in his show. Chuck would set up the camera on the passenger seat and tape himself as he drives his SUV and makes commentary, all the while the words 'Comfort Zone' appear floating and rocking at the bottom of the screen TD SHAKES YOUR ASS Virtually Fields - Dream Mixes I Touchwood - Rockoon Rough Embrace - DM1 Towards the Evening Star - Goblin's Club San Rocco - DM1 Waterborne - Oasis Digital Sister - DM2 Flashflood Oasis Timesquare - DM2 The Girl on the Stairs - DM3 Many thanks to listizen Sean Montgomery for the original posting to this list on 04/09/99 I had a little extra time to fill so these pieces went in Meng Tiang (Smart Machine Remix) - DM3 (I added an announcement that this track can be downloaded from TD web site.) Towards the Evening Star (Mandarin Cream remix) Ghazal(love song)- Optical Race (this was dedicated to my wife who didn't go this year) Oriental Haze - Rockoon special edition FRIDAY 08/31 Although my shift isn't until 10pm I'm a bit frazzled by the day's activities which is made a little tougher by the hot temps, low humidity, and the ever-present playa dust. I find out that in a little over a half an hour at 1pm that I was chosen to be a finalist at the 3rd annual Playa Iron Chef contest. I've got to get back to my camp 1/2 mile away, get my cooking utensils (including a propane burner), some foodstuffs & spices, AND find a Sous Chef! Although I didn't win, I was honoured to stand in the Playa Kitchen Stadium (actually the camp/offices of the Black Rock Gazette) I get invited to a dinner at Knife & Fork camp as thanks for choosing one of their camp mates to Sous for me. FREEFORM SESSION Ricochet pt I - Ricochet (by request from Knife & Fork camp) Voxel Ux - Quinoa Choronzon - Logotypes Tyger - Tyger (1992) Catwalk - Tyranny of Beauty Little Blonde in the Park of Attractions(Thai dub mix) - DM1 Mobocaster - DM2 Prime Time - DM3 Towards the Evening Star (Blue Gravity mix) - DM2 Meng Tiang (Smart Machine remix) - DM3 Dolphin Dance - Underwater Sunlight (dedicated to Newt of the band Insecto (http://www.insecto.org) who last year was jamming along with this piece on his percussion junk truck) Green Desert - Green Desert (For most of the duration of this piece, I'm treated to the sight of some random Desert Freak in body paint dancing on the stage in front of the station to the music coming from the PA) All in all, it was a good Burn and it's nice to be back home. But it's gonna take about a month to clean up and unpack/repack all my stuff. I've done Five journeys to Black Rock City and am calling it quits. I have no idea if and when DJ DreamHead will ever arise again to broadcast TD to the masses. °ş¤ř,¸¸,ř¤ş°`°ş¤ř,¸¸ DJ DreamHead ,¸¸,ř¤ş°`°ş¤ř,¸¸,ř¤ mailto:penfold@a... Radio Loose Whirrrlygig - KGIG 95.3FM Wed 08/29 ,¸¸,ř¤ş°`°ş¤ř,¸¸,ř¤ 20:00--23:00 Fri 08/31 °ş¤ř,¸¸,ř¤ş°`°ş¤ř,¸¸¸¸,ř¤ş°`°ş¤ř,¸¸,ř¤ 22:00--00:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28922 Re: DJ DreamHead's report from Black Rock City Synthhtnys@a... Wed 9/5/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 8:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DJ DreamHead's report from Black Rock City Very cool report DJ Dreamhead.... I'd like to have heard you spin...Do you use the KAOSS? I think that would be a killer combination w/TD music..... I've been meaning to get down there for a festival... Maybe next year. Peace, Poly Paul Ellis Hypnos/Binary Recordings PO Box 6868 / Portland, Or 97228 / Usa www.hypnos.com 'It is only a few years before we shall have entirely new methods of tone production by electrical means.... Thus will begin a new era in music.' Leopold Stokowski 1929 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: rubyconist@y... Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 9:22 am Subject: Sorcerer Just got Sorcerer from my friend for a very late birthday present (he's here too, not posting tough). It's much better than other soundtrack (for example Thief). I like the darker sound and the rawness of the music in this one. In the booklet Friedkin says that he received 90 minutes of music for the movie and me and my friend were wondering what happend to the rest of the music? Is it gone forever or is Edgar hidden it somewhere? Regards, TheInfection From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 9:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer Just got Sorcerer from my friend for a very late birthday present (he's here too, not posting tough). It's much better than other soundtrack (for example Thief). I like the darker sound and the rawness of the music in this one. *This too, is one of my favorites... I remember getting it when it came out... very early on in my discovery of TD and I was just blown away by the possibility of how music could sound..... it had a huge impact on me.... > In the booklet Friedkin says that he received 90 minutes of music for > the movie and me and my friend were wondering what happend to the > rest of the music? Is it gone forever or is Edgar hidden it somewhere? > Regards, > *I've been singing this refrain for years... I would have thought SOMETHING would have resurfaced by now... either that's complete b*llsh*t or one of those 'lost tape' stories.... 'Ooops I didn't know what those were so I recorded American Bandstand on it....' Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28927 Re: Sorcerer Michael A Jean Wed 9/5/2001 3 KB 28933 Re: Sorcerer john@p... Thu 9/6/2001 3 KB 28935 Re: Sorcerer goozer@a... Thu 9/6/2001 3 KB From: baG Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 10:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Poland report Jorge Figueiredo wrote: > Yes, since the sound is very similar I thought it would be easier to use > the anglicized version of my name. :-) It was ;-). > [...] > How was the post-concert meeting at the Pub? We didn't find any free sits at Irish Pub, so we went to another one. But waiter told us, we have only half an hour, and then they are closed. So we move to Piotr Sulkowski apartment. The meeting ended at 7am ;>. > Is there anyway I can hear the music from that electronic musician from > Kraków who was there at the pub? Mikolaj I think his name was. ??? > It was great meeting you guys, Thanks, we enjoyed meeting you, too. regards -- baG http://tadream.ac.pl/ icq.uin:____119764034 pgp.key.id:0xDEC388C2 From: '3N' Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 10:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] FW: TD Poland 1983 Hello! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Shoults To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:36 PM Subject: [tadream] FW: TD Poland 1983 > > > ***************************************************************** > > Set One > Poland faithful [Poland 0'46' to 22'30'] > (not the very extended Japan June 1983 versions) > Tangent faithful [Tangent 0'10' to 19'54'] > > Set Two > Horizon parts 1+2 faithful [Horizon 0'00' to 14'05] > Warsaw in the Sun (slightly more spirited) 6 1/2 minutes > Barbakane part 3 [14'20' to 17'55'] > (sequence after Warsaw in the Sun out to beach sounds-End of Barbakane) > Power failure at this point? Female announcer for about a minute No. You have recording from second concert, when wasn't any energy break. This failure was only _one_ time in first concert, about after 12 minutes. No more! > Sphinx Lightning [Sphinx Lightning (Hyperborea) 14'00' to 19'15'] > Horizon faithful [Horizon 14'06' to 21'09'] > (Horns of Doom-like sequence) > Logos ending coda [Logos 42'16' to 44'47'] > > Encores > Chronzon (8'20' version same as 1980-1982 live versions) > Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe (White Eagle variation) > Rarebird No. In inverse: - Rarebird - DasMadchen - Choronzon (your yime is to short, I have 8:55) After first concert was only one encore - Choronzon, because concert was lengthen (we was waiting afrter energybreak about 20-30 minutes for resume). > Poland is probably closer to a real > live release than any other TD concert in history HaHaHA!! It's a very good joke! Joe! This is 'sence of humor' ;)))) > > And if we got the real Poland bootleg officially, we'd be missing a large > part of Barbakane! Barbakane is from the same studio session, that music for Firestarter - just now from 84! > > However, the first note on the first > disc of the 2CD Poland release (before the announcement in Polish), is the > opening clanging note of Sphinx Lightning. It's real start of Warsaws concerts. > > Do you think Edgar has a sense of humor? > > -Morgan ;))) I'm from Poland. Big fan of old TD and I was on two concerts on 10december on IceStadium named Torwar in Warsaw. I remember those concerts - I recorded on my tapes, I have video-extract from too. Facts? Joe's (Morgan's?) bootleg is made from tapes form FMbroadcasts, but source was from audience. For today _one_ soundboard copy is only in archives polish TV with all video material from second evening concert (I suppose, maybe no more?). This bootleg (named 'Rykoszet na Torwarze') have 'outstanding' poor quality and is too slow! Warsaws concerts was played about 88-90 cents higer and about 3,5% speeder than on official Poland. In this fact bootleg was much more slower than real material! Sequencen of parts, whitch wrote Morgan are correct, but material on official Poland was record in year 84! In interview for polish music journal (Non Stop) in december'84 EFroese said, that material for Poland was rerecorded and remixed ( ;))) ) in Amber Studio in Berlin early 84 by Johanes and Chris (in this time Edgar was in LA). When I hear now official material and my recordings I perceive so much diferrences - in Johanes solos, in Chris' background sequences, in arrange of many parts (1st and 3rd of 1side of LP too, those are very very close to real material) and in character (feeling) of sound. Announcement is by Jerzy Kordowicz (from polish radio station '3') and it was from tape (in december 83 Kordowicz was in Sweden ;))) ). Soun of this tape is on Poland but in very short version. Of course it was cold, but outside! (about -5 Celsius degrees) - in hall was, I think, about 15 degrees. On first show I was about 10 meters from Johanes and Chris, I saw them exact. Johanes was in shirt with a short sleeve (!) and nobody has any glaves - it's for this day a big mystification ;)). But now, after fridays BridgeNight, I can say, that in 83 I was on a big, magnificent, tangerine shows... regards JerzyK 'The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.' --------------------------------------------- Yugoton na Stegnach! Bilety u nas... http://rozrywka.interia.pl/yugoton/index.html From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 5:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Sorcerer Wasn't there alot of music in the movie that isn't on the CD? I am at home sick today, maybe I'll try watching it later... MJ > > In the booklet Friedkin says that he received 90 minutes of music for > > the movie and me and my friend were wondering what happend to the > > rest of the music? Is it gone forever or is Edgar hidden it somewhere? > > Regards, > > > > *I've been singing this refrain for years... I would have > thought SOMETHING > would have resurfaced by now... either that's complete b*llsh*t or one of > those 'lost tape' > stories.... 'Ooops I didn't know what those were so I recorded American > Bandstand on it....' > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28933 Re: Sorcerer john@p... Thu 9/6/2001 3 KB 28935 Re: Sorcerer goozer@a... Thu 9/6/2001 3 KB From: tom807@a... Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer In a message dated 9/5/01 5:24:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rubyconist@y... writes: > Subj: [tadream] Sorcerer > Date: 9/5/01 5:24:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: rubyconist@y... > Reply-to: tadream@yahoogroups.com > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Just got Sorcerer from my friend for a very late birthday present > (he's here too, not posting tough). It's much better than other > soundtrack (for example Thief). I like the darker sound and the > rawness of the music in this one. > > In the booklet Friedkin says that he received 90 minutes of music for > the movie and me and my friend were wondering what happend to the > rest of the music? Is it gone forever or is Edgar hidden it somewhere? > > Regards, > Edgar has it. When he releases it to the public it will be heavily Tangent-ized :-) MP3.com - tom807 SoundStage! The $ensible Sound [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28932 Re: Sorcerer rubyconist@y... Thu 9/6/2001 2 KB 28939 Re: Sorcerer BRUCE@F... Thu 9/6/2001 2 KB 28940 Re: Sorcerer john@p... Thu 9/6/2001 2 KB 28942 Tangentisation (was: Sorcerer) Steve Thu 9/6/2001 3 KB From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 7:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer > > *I've been singing this refrain for years... I would have thought SOMETHING > would have resurfaced by now... either that's complete b*llsh*t or one of > those 'lost tape' > stories.... 'Ooops I didn't know what those were so I recorded American > Bandstand on it....' > Poly > Its most likely to do with TD not owning the publishing rights of the music I would have thought .I imagine there wouldn`t be much money left for TD once MCA got their share . Paul From: Daniel Kim Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 9:11 pm Subject: Ventura Theater Greetings, I thought I saw a posting of someone who was going to the VENTURA THEATER when T-Dream tours through the US this fall. If anyone is going to this event, could you please contact me privately. A friend and I are thinking of attending the event and would like some feedback. Thanks, Dan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 4:34 am Subject: TD Anaheim HOB onsale date onsale date for TD @ Anaheim HOB November 10th is Monday September 10th. --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: rubyconist@y... Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 11:21 am Subject: Re: Sorcerer > Edgar has it. When he releases it to the public it will be heavily > Tangent-ized :-) If comes someday, I hope that it will not be Tangentized, tough it's propably too much to hope for. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28939 Re: Sorcerer BRUCE@F... Thu 9/6/2001 2 KB 28940 Re: Sorcerer john@p... Thu 9/6/2001 2 KB 28942 Tangentisation (was: Sorcerer) Steve Thu 9/6/2001 3 KB From: john@p... Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 12:55 pm Subject: Re: Sorcerer --- In tadream@y..., 'Michael A Jean' wrote: > Wasn't there alot of music in the movie that isn't on the CD? Not a lot. I don't think I've ever seen the extra music that /is/ in the movie discussed on any of the lists, which is amazing if it's true. Here's some (from memory, so unreliable) factoids: - Most of the music, and all that is clearly TD, is on the album. - There are other people credited with music, 2 I think. - Some of that is probably the incidental latin music. - There is some fairly extensive organ based music. While it doesn't exactly sound like any TD, it does sound like something they might have done if asked to produce a certain atmosphere (e.g. like Aguirre. Which came first?). At one point it does include a very TD- like sound effect, but that doesn't prove it's by TD, as a decent MD will lift and layer if it fits the film. If that organ music is TD, it's pleasant enough, but far from the Sorcerer 2CD we're fantasizing about. It would make a lot of sense for them to have delivered lots of sound effects, pads, etc as well as the 'real tunes' that made up Sorcerer. But the beauty of it as an album is that they didn't really seem to know what they were doing. jc Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28935 Re: Sorcerer goozer@a... Thu 9/6/2001 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 1:48 pm Subject: haslinger programming credit Got home last night and a package with two Graeme Revell soundtrack CDs arrived. I open the one from Pitch Black (also with Bride of Chucky--heh) and I see in the credits 'Haslinger Programming' _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28936 Re: haslinger programming credit Yannick EDOM Thu 9/6/2001 2 KB From: goozer@a... Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 1:54 pm Subject: Re: Sorcerer --- In tadream@y..., john@p... wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., 'Michael A Jean' wrote: > > > Wasn't there alot of music in the movie that isn't on the CD? > > Not a lot. I don't think I've ever seen the extra music that /is/ in > the movie discussed on any of the lists, which is amazing if it's > true. I'm going out on a limb here to suggest that most (if not all) the missing 45 mins. are just the bits of the material snipped off of the long live pieces from '76 used as some of the tracks... > Here's some (from memory, so unreliable) factoids: > > - Most of the music, and all that is clearly TD, is on the album. Yep. and there is *less* of it in the film! > - There are other people credited with music, 2 I think. One of the other musicians is Keith Jarrett, and the other... > - Some of that is probably the incidental latin music. Yep, just source music. > - There is some fairly extensive organ based music. While it doesn't > exactly sound like any TD, it does sound like something they might > have done if asked to produce a certain atmosphere (e.g. like > Aguirre. Which came first?). At one point it does include a very TD- > like sound effect, but that doesn't prove it's by TD, as a decent MD > will lift and layer if it fits the film. > > If that organ music is TD, it's pleasant enough, but far from the > Sorcerer 2CD we're fantasizing about. It would make a lot of sense > for them to have delivered lots of sound effects, pads, etc as well > as the 'real tunes' that made up Sorcerer. But the beauty of it as > an album is that they didn't really seem to know what they were doing. That stuff is Jarrett. And as for pads and SFX...doubtful, as they hadn't *seen* the film! goozer From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] haslinger programming credit > Got home last night and a package with two Graeme Revell soundtrack CDs > arrived. I open the one from Pitch Black (also with Bride of Chucky--heh) > and I see in the credits 'Haslinger Programming' > Every soundtrack by Graeme Revell (ex SPK) feature the programming by Paul Haslinger. The credit appears also in the end titles of each movie. they work together for years. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: themister123@y... Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 6:03 pm Subject: Dream Mixes of what? OK, I've searched back to try and piece together which remixes are from which original pieces, but I haven't quite gotten it down. So is there (or can we make) a summary of which original songs went into each song on the various Dream Mixes albums? Keep in mind, of course, that I don't need to know that 'Towards the Evening Star (Blue Gravity Mix)' is a remix of 'Towards the Evening Star'. :-) Also, are any of the songs simply new songs and not remixes of previous compositions? So the tracks I'm thinking of are as follows: DM1: Rough Embrace Virtually Fields San Rocco Change of the Gods Iowa Sojus DM2: [everything except the self-explanatory 'Evening Star' remix - though I suppose 'Jungle Jacula' is simply a remix of 'Jungle Journey'.] DM3: [I gathered quite a bit from previous reviews, but it would be nice to have the summary all in one place. :-) ] Thanks! Damon Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28938 Re: Dream Mixes of what? chris towers Thu 9/6/2001 3 KB 28950 Re: Dream Mixes of what? quarlie@a... Fri 9/7/2001 3 KB 28965 Re: Dream Mixes of what? Owens, James Fri 9/7/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 6:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Mixes of what? I Believe that some of the tracks on DM2 were specifically composed for that album and are indeed not remixes from any other eras, but new pieces.. Chris --- themister123@y... wrote: > OK, I've searched back to try and piece together > which remixes are > from which original pieces, but I haven't quite > gotten it down. > > So is there (or can we make) a summary of which > original songs went > into each song on the various Dream Mixes albums? > Keep in mind, of > course, that I don't need to know that 'Towards the > Evening Star > (Blue Gravity Mix)' is a remix of 'Towards the > Evening Star'. :-) > > Also, are any of the songs simply new songs and not > remixes of > previous compositions? > > So the tracks I'm thinking of are as follows: > > DM1: > Rough Embrace > Virtually Fields > San Rocco > Change of the Gods > Iowa > Sojus > > DM2: > [everything except the self-explanatory 'Evening > Star' remix - though > I suppose 'Jungle Jacula' is simply a remix of > 'Jungle Journey'.] > > DM3: > [I gathered quite a bit from previous reviews, but > it would be nice > to have the summary all in one place. :-) ] > > Thanks! > Damon > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From: BRUCE@F... Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 6:41 pm Subject: Re: Sorcerer --- In tadream@y..., rubyconist@y... wrote: > > Edgar has it. When he releases it to the public it will be heavily > > Tangent-ized :-) > > If comes someday, I hope that it will not be Tangentized, tough it's > propably too much to hope for. I'm a TD newbie. What does 'tangentized' mean? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28940 Re: Sorcerer john@p... Thu 9/6/2001 2 KB 28942 Tangentisation (was: Sorcerer) Steve Thu 9/6/2001 3 KB From: john@p... Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 8:04 pm Subject: Re: Sorcerer --- In tadream@y..., BRUCE@F... wrote: > I'm a TD newbie. What does 'tangentized' mean? Ruined, usually. From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 8:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer That was in extreme cases. For the most part, altered, changed, parts added too or removed. While I agree with the ruined statement in somecases, I disagree with it overall. I am sure others will add onto this list of items for the term. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > --- In tadream@y..., BRUCE@F... wrote: > > > I'm a TD newbie. What does 'tangentized' mean? > > Ruined, usually. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Steve' Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 8:56 pm Subject: Tangentisation (was: Sorcerer) Bruce said: > I'm a TD newbie. What does 'tangentized' mean? It's Edgar going back to old material and remixing/re-recording/adding new sounds to the old. The terms comes from the box set Tangents where most of the material was messed with. The general consensus seems to be that tangentisation is bad; I have to admit that it's rarely successful. To my mind the saddest victim of tangentisation is Upland on Beyond the Storm with Mysterious Semblance on Tangents running it a close second. On the other hand, it occasionally works. Soundmill Navigator is my favourite TD 'live' album. However, I also greatly enjoy the original untangentised version of that concert. I think that Soundmill Navigator should be re-released with the sound cleaned up (the pssp-pssp noise can be got rid of as Planetary Navigator shows) and with the original un-touched concert recording as the second track. I can understand the urge to go back and put 'mistakes' right or improve old material with new techniques (I've revised a number of my own images recently...), but whether Edgar likes it or not there exists a large number of concert tapes outside of the office where he keeps everything TD have ever performed and a lot of people are familiar with what was played at a given concert. Tangentise by all means, but please, let us also hear the original concert tapes too: I'd be quite happy to pay a little extra when buying a tangentised concert like SN to get an untouched recording of the original concert. Steve np: White Cloths 1 (oh, for an official release!) www.craftman.co.uk www.rotties-r-us.co.uk From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 9:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer 'tangentized' means that, like on the album 'Tangents', original music has been remixed (some would say 'tampered' with), with new sounds overlayed on the old ones, sometimes even completely drowning out the original sounds. TD does a LOT of it and some fans find it very hard to swallow. This is understandable, because so much of TD's music seems so perfect on the original albums! For example, I love the guitar solo on Song of the Whale (originally from the album Underwater Sunlight), but on the 'tangetized' version that appears on the compilation album Book of Dreams, someone at TDI decided to wipe the whole solo out and cover it with keyboards. I was appalled! and yes, at the time I thought it was 'ruined', too. It actually took me a couple years to realize, 'Wait a minute- I already HAVE the original version, so this is just another version that is coming out of Edgar's head (or maybe Jerome did it, who knows?), so it's kind of like getting a new version of a song I already love.' I'd say that there are just some people who don't appreciate tangentization and feel that it is akin to spray-painting graffiti on the Mona Lisa, or milking the fans' pockets, or worse yet that it is fraudulent or deceptive or dishonest or whatever.... But as a Grateful Dead fan, I can tell you that I am able to listen to the same song in about 1000 different variations and love it every time (just about, except when Bob goes crazy with that stupid screaming thing). i don't resent it coming out on yet another compilation or concert album, but probably would if I was led to believe it was a completely new song. I don't know of any examples of this happening with TD though. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: john@p... [mailto:john@p...] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:05 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > > > --- In tadream@y..., BRUCE@F... wrote: > > > I'm a TD newbie. What does 'tangentized' mean? > > Ruined, usually. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28955 Re: Sorcerer chris towers Fri 9/7/2001 5 KB From: Grant Somerville Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 10:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer john@p... wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., BRUCE@F... wrote: > > > I'm a TD newbie. What does 'tangentized' mean? > > Ruined, usually. > Thanks for that John. LMAO!! Kind Regards, Grant S. From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 9:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Poland report Are already photo from Irish Pub and of concert Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > Roger wrote: > > > Okay, here's the full account of what went on that day in Warsaw. I > > should also really thank Piotr S. Millenium (bAG) for acting as a guide > > not just for us, but for some of the Polish fans too. > > [...] > > Piotr Millenium and baG are different persons ;). It was nice to meet all > of you in Warsaw. > > -- > baG From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 12:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Couple of questions Thanks for the feedback, folks. Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: ampmusic Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 1:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer Re; 'Tangentized'. I'm not sure how far this works as a definition. Others more knowledgeable could think about it; 'Tangentized' = altered by Edgar Froese in order to justify removing composition credits (and thus payments) to ex-band members who are no longer on the Christmas card list :-) 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote: > That was in extreme cases. For the most part, altered, changed, parts added > too or removed. While I agree with the ruined statement in somecases, I > disagree with it overall. I am sure others will add onto this list of items > for the term. > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:04 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > > > --- In tadream@y..., BRUCE@F... wrote: > > > > > I'm a TD newbie. What does 'tangentized' mean? > > > > Ruined, usually. > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28953 Tangentized chris towers Fri 9/7/2001 2 KB 28958 Re: Tangentized john@p... Fri 9/7/2001 3 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 1:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer And thus begineth ye old tangenization-rant again...................... Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'ampmusic' To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > Re; 'Tangentized'. > > I'm not sure how far this works as a definition. Others more knowledgeable could think about it; > > 'Tangentized' = altered by Edgar Froese in order to justify removing composition credits (and thus payments) to ex-band > members who are no longer on the Christmas card list :-) > > > > 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote: > > > That was in extreme cases. For the most part, altered, changed, parts added > > too or removed. While I agree with the ruined statement in somecases, I > > disagree with it overall. I am sure others will add onto this list of items > > for the term. > > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > > admin@k... > > 661-723-0266 > > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:04 PM > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., BRUCE@F... wrote: > > > > > > > I'm a TD newbie. What does 'tangentized' mean? > > > > > > Ruined, usually. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 1:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer ----- Original Message ----- From: 'ampmusic' > 'Tangentized' = altered by Edgar Froese in order to justify removing composition >credits (and thus payments) to ex-band > members who are no longer on the Christmas card list :-) hehe Have they actually done that - changed/removed credits? Wouldnt that also mean they'd have to change the title of the song? Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 3:00 am Subject: Re: Dream Mixes of what? In a message dated 9/6/01 2:28:56 PM, themister123@y... writes: >OK, I've searched back to try and piece together which remixes are >from which original pieces, but I haven't quite gotten it down. [...] >Also, are any of the songs simply new songs and not remixes of >previous compositions? > >So the tracks I'm thinking of are as follows: > >DM1: >Rough Embrace >Virtually Fields >San Rocco >Change of the Gods >Iowa >Sojus As far as I know, these are all new tracks. >DM2: >[everything except the self-explanatory 'Evening Star' remix - though >I suppose 'Jungle Jacula' is simply a remix of 'Jungle Journey'.] Actually, it's not. Not as far as I can tell, anyway. 'Mobocaster' is, however, a remix of 'Twilight Brigade.' The rest is new. >DM3: >[I gathered quite a bit from previous reviews, but it would be nice >to have the summary all in one place. :-) ] Apart from the remixes which are labeled as such... Stereolight = Monolight Diamonds and Dust = Diamond Diary Girl on the Stairs = White Eagle The Spirit of the Czar = something from Poland, I can't recall what. Title track? The Comfort Zone = Logos Hope that helps. --Daniel NP: the Dream Mixes III (but before that it was Fluke) From: ampmusic Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 4:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer It's just a bit of harmless fun... :-) PERGAMON wrote: > And thus begineth ye old tangenization-rant again...................... > > Jan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:04 PM > > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > > > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., BRUCE@F... wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm a TD newbie. What does 'tangentized' mean? > > > > > > > > Ruined, usually. > > > > From: 'simon heath' Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 5:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer >'tangentized' means that, like on the album 'Tangents', original music has >been remixed (some would say 'tampered' with), with new sounds overlayed on >the old ones, I remember experiencing it early on with 'Thief' on the Metaporphic Rock re-do.It sounds like a teenager playing Force Majure in his bedroom and testing out a synth over the top. www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath From: chris towers Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 5:59 am Subject: Tangentized I have to admit, although i do like hearing origional material, that to listen to something that has added sounds i find quite enjoyable. Maybe more updated with sounds that were not available and indeed not thought of when the origionals were composed?? what do we think?? But please... i do like the origional stuff too so dont all go for my throat :-) Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28958 Re: Tangentized john@p... Fri 9/7/2001 3 KB From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 6:11 am Subject: TD SACD??? Hello I heard from a source that in the UK there exists a Super-Audio CD of Tangerine Dream. The title is Rubycon. Can any fan please confirm if this exists and any special feature is associated with this?? Thanks Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28960 Re: TD SACD??? John Marchington Fri 9/7/2001 3 KB 28967 Re: TD SACD??? Jeffrey Au Yeung Fri 9/7/2001 4 KB 28970 Re: TD SACD??? John Marchington Sat 9/8/2001 7 KB From: chris towers Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 6:04 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer Yeah Joe i have to confess i see the tangetised situation the same as you, i see it as an adaption of music i already love and a different version to me is a bonus and not a nightmare, but i do see the point of deception and milking the fans pockets, but hey, i like the music anyway.... Chris --- Joe Shoults wrote: > 'tangentized' means that, like on the album > 'Tangents', original music has > been remixed (some would say 'tampered' with), with > new sounds overlayed on > the old ones, sometimes even completely drowning out > the original sounds. > TD does a LOT of it and some fans find it very hard > to swallow. This is > understandable, because so much of TD's music seems > so perfect on the > original albums! For example, I love the guitar > solo on Song of the Whale > (originally from the album Underwater Sunlight), but > on the 'tangetized' > version that appears on the compilation album Book > of Dreams, someone at TDI > decided to wipe the whole solo out and cover it with > keyboards. I was > appalled! and yes, at the time I thought it was > 'ruined', too. It actually > took me a couple years to realize, 'Wait a minute- I > already HAVE the > original version, so this is just another version > that is coming out of > Edgar's head (or maybe Jerome did it, who knows?), > so it's kind of like > getting a new version of a song I already love.' > > I'd say that there are just some people who don't > appreciate tangentization > and feel that it is akin to spray-painting graffiti > on the Mona Lisa, or > milking the fans' pockets, or worse yet that it is > fraudulent or deceptive > or dishonest or whatever.... But as a Grateful Dead > fan, I can tell you > that I am able to listen to the same song in about > 1000 different variations > and love it every time (just about, except when Bob > goes crazy with that > stupid screaming thing). i don't resent it coming > out on yet another > compilation or concert album, but probably would if > I was led to believe it > was a completely new song. I don't know of any > examples of this happening > with TD though. > > Joe > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: john@p... > [mailto:john@p...] > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:05 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., BRUCE@F... wrote: > > > > > I'm a TD newbie. What does 'tangentized' mean? > > > > Ruined, usually. > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for > instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 8:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer How insightful 8-) Who's payroll did you say you were on? 8-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'ampmusic' To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > Re; 'Tangentized'. > > I'm not sure how far this works as a definition. Others more knowledgeable could think about it; > > 'Tangentized' = altered by Edgar Froese in order to justify removing composition credits (and thus payments) to ex-band > members who are no longer on the Christmas card list :-) > > > > 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote: > > > That was in extreme cases. For the most part, altered, changed, parts added > > too or removed. While I agree with the ruined statement in somecases, I > > disagree with it overall. I am sure others will add onto this list of items > > for the term. > > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > > admin@k... > > 661-723-0266 > > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:04 PM > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., BRUCE@F... wrote: > > > > > > > I'm a TD newbie. What does 'tangentized' mean? > > > > > > Ruined, usually. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 9:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer Hehe..........so was my reply...............=o) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'ampmusic' > It's just a bit of harmless fun... :-) > > PERGAMON wrote: > > > And thus begineth ye old tangenization-rant again...................... > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:04 PM > > > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > > > > > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., BRUCE@F... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a TD newbie. What does 'tangentized' mean? > > > > > > > > > > Ruined, usually. > > > > > From: john@p... Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 9:40 am Subject: Re: Tangentized --- In tadream@y..., chris towers wrote: Sorry if I helped (re-)start something bad... it was just a throwaway gag, and I knew some more helpful people would be along soon. > Maybe more updated with sounds that were not available > and indeed not thought of when the origionals were > composed?? what do we think?? That's (sort of) what I have the problem with. Not that the sounds are 'new', that but they don't fit. It's the care taken with the soundscape that /defines/ electronic music IMO. Almost every attempt at tangentization seems to ignore this and slap on whatever sounds come to hand first. You can't meaningfuly play Rubycon on a banjo. The worst example is Sohoman. The sounds jar, there's basic musical errors in the overdubs, and (worst) a varied and interesting set has been turned into a homogenous mush by using the same dull pads all the way through. The only example I can think of that gets it more or less right is Soundmill. I'll probably get that sooner or later, although I'm put off by that fact that they managed to release an album where the sound quality is *worse* than the bootleg. Of course YMMV. If you like the current output you may well love what they do. jc From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 9:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangentized The only example I can think of that gets it more or less right is Soundmill. I'll probably get that sooner or later, although I'm put off by that fact that they managed to release an album where the sound quality is *worse* than the bootleg. *I'd agree with John here... IMO there are some very tangible flaws with the way this recording was handled, buuuuttt I also have to say that even with all those flaws and the fact that I normally loathe Tangentizing this recording works for me in ways that other examples of Tangentizing didn't. Poly Paul Ellis Hypnos/Binary Recordings PO Box 6868 / Portland, Or 97228 / Usa www.hypnos.com 'It is only a few years before we shall have entirely new methods of tone production by electrical means.... Thus will begin a new era in music.' Leopold Stokowski 1929 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Marchington' Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 11:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD SACD??? The only Virgin recording available as a Direct Stream Digital transfer that I'm aware of is Mike Oldfield's 'Tubular Bells'. If what you say about 'Rubycon' is true, then that could be a most exciting recording. However, if it's a dual-layer disc (i.e. one layer DSD and the other standard CD) , it'll be expensive! Sony's single layer discs seem a better option to me. If you've shelled out money on an SACD player, you're not going to be playing the CD layer of a dual layer disc, and the single layer discs are appreciably cheaper! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 6:11 PM Subject: [tadream] TD SACD??? > Hello > > I heard from a source that in the UK there exists a Super-Audio CD of > Tangerine Dream. The title is Rubycon. Can any fan please confirm if this > exists and any special feature is associated with this?? > > Thanks > Jeffrey > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: ampmusic Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer I'm not on any payroll. I do the paying, Edgar being one of the past recipients :-) Frank Arellano wrote: > How insightful 8-) Who's payroll did you say you were on? 8-D > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'ampmusic' > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > > > Re; 'Tangentized'. > > > > I'm not sure how far this works as a definition. Others more knowledgeable > could think about it; > > > > 'Tangentized' = altered by Edgar Froese in order to justify removing > composition credits (and thus payments) to ex-band > > members who are no longer on the Christmas card list :-) > > > > > > > > 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote: > > > > > That was in extreme cases. For the most part, altered, changed, parts > added > > > too or removed. While I agree with the ruined statement in somecases, I > > > disagree with it overall. I am sure others will add onto this list of > items > > > for the term. > > > > > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > > > admin@k... > > > 661-723-0266 > > > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:04 PM > > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > > > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., BRUCE@F... wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm a TD newbie. What does 'tangentized' mean? > > > > > > > > Ruined, usually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > > > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 11:19 am Subject: Re : [tadream] warsaw Hi Piotr, I would be very interested in a copy of this on CD-R, I have lots of concert recordings to swap if you are interested. Paul Fellows http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html ---------- >From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] warsaw >Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:54:08 +0200 > > Hi Duncan, > I recorded 3 hours on miniDV > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. Millennium > > http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > > > >> the big question is:- >> DID ANYONE TAPE THE CONCERT? >> >> >> Duncan > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: tom807@a... Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 12:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer In a message dated 9/6/01 9:10:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pergamon@g... writes: > And thus begineth ye old tangenization-rant again...................... > > My fault. Sorry. MP3.com - tom807 SoundStage! The $ensible Sound [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28969 Re: Sorcerer (Tangentizing..) Lasse Gustafsson Fri 9/7/2001 2 KB 28972 Re: Sorcerer (Tangentizing..) chris towers Sat 9/8/2001 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 1:59 pm Subject: re: tangentization [OT] GD >(just about, except when Bob goes crazy with that stupid screaming thing< what about Donna Godchaux's screaming off-key? IMO, much more difficult to take than Bobby's cat-in-heat imitation. Now if Kreutzmann and Hart would tour together again....ah Drumz> np TD Croydon 1976 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 3:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dream Mixes of what? San Rocco contains tiny bits of the first section of 'Mojave Plan' at one point. > -----Original Message----- > >DM1: > >Rough Embrace > >Virtually Fields > >San Rocco > >Change of the Gods > >Iowa > >Sojus > > As far as I know, these are all new tracks. From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 4:32 pm Subject: Gigs ever been to (TD and non-TD) Hello Just had a chat with a friend and shared a bit of past concerts ever been to. With brief recollections I now come up with a list of my past concert-going... 1983 David Bowie ('Serious Moonlight Tour'; Hong Kong) - lousy! 1990 Eric Clapton (Hong Kong) - real hot! 1990 Harold Budd (Hong Kong) - cream of the crop! 1992 Santana (Berlin); Genesis ('We Can't Dance'; Vienna); Dire Straits ('On Every Street'; Bremen) - all very high standard and entertaining 1993 Simply Red (Hong Kong) - CRAP!; Jean Michel Jarre ('Chronologie'; Seville) - very scattered venue - can hardly concentrate 1994 Jean Michel Jarre (Hong Kong!) - mediocre, different feel from Seville; Philip Glass (Hong Kong) - NICE!; Peter Gabriel (Hong Kong) - boring; Depeche Mode (Hong Kong) - deadly boring...zzzzz...... 1995 Michael Nyman (Hong Kong) - surprisingly good; Yanni (Hong Kong) - much the same like the Acropolis video - only unexpected thing was Yanni's height 8-); Ryuichi Sakamoto ('Sweet Revenge'; Hong Kong) - real good! 8-) 1996 Himekami (Hong Kong) - one of the worst em gig I have ever seen in life; Santana (Hong Kong) - musically just as excellent as Berlin but luke-warm audience made it not a great experience; Ryuichi Sakamoto ('Trio'; Hong Kong) - mainly acoustic and very different from the other 1 year ago - cannot but surprise at the genius of Sakamoto 1997 TD (Erlangen; Hamburg; Berlin; Hannover; Neu-Isenburg) - truly unforgettable experience in my life (in the +ve sense of course) 2001 Deep Purple (Hong Kong) - can't help but think the guys belong to the elderly asylum or something...; Philip Glass ('Dracula'; Hong Kong) - short, repetitive, still quite an interesting experience I did not aware that I had been to very few people's concerts, and some guys' concerts more than once (Jarre, Glass, Santana, Sakamoto)...best gig for me is, well, Harold Budd (very relaxing atmospherics with weak and yet clear piano, 'White Arcade' era 8-), and TD gigs come second (well nice sets, band and fan gathering, alien feeling of different German audience), and Genesis would come third (superb sound! anything to do with Volkswagen as the sponsor?). Anybody wanna share your concert experience (both TD and non-TD)? Jeffrey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 4:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD SACD??? Hi John, thanks for responding. Could you also tell how superior is the SACD over the ordinary CDs we have? Thanks Jeffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: John Marchington To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD SACD??? > The only Virgin recording available as a Direct Stream Digital transfer that > I'm aware of is Mike Oldfield's 'Tubular Bells'. If what you say about > 'Rubycon' is true, then that could be a most exciting recording. However, if > it's a dual-layer disc (i.e. one layer DSD and the other standard CD) , > it'll be expensive! Sony's single layer discs seem a better option to me. If > you've shelled out money on an SACD player, you're not going to be playing > the CD layer of a dual layer disc, and the single layer discs are > appreciably cheaper! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' > To: > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 6:11 PM > Subject: [tadream] TD SACD??? > > > > Hello > > > > I heard from a source that in the UK there exists a Super-Audio CD of > > Tangerine Dream. The title is Rubycon. Can any fan please confirm if this > > exists and any special feature is associated with this?? > > > > Thanks > > Jeffrey > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer ahh the wound is to be reopened again... perhaps it was never closed to start with huh? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'ampmusic' > > > 'Tangentized' = altered by Edgar Froese in order to justify removing > composition > >credits (and thus payments) to ex-band > > members who are no longer on the Christmas card list :-) > > hehe > > Have they actually done that - changed/removed credits? Wouldnt that also > mean they'd have to change the title of the song? > > Best regards, > Glenn > > www.electronicshadows.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Fri Sep 7, 2001 11:19 pm Subject: Re: Sorcerer (Tangentizing..) But at least we are flaming and blaming person(s?) who is/are messing up with their own music. What do we think we are in this? Individuals after consumer rights? ------------------------------------------------------ - This page is best viewed with computer and monitor - ------------------------------------------------------ > In a message dated 9/6/01 9:10:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > pergamon@g... writes: > > >> And thus begineth ye old tangenization-rant again...................... >> >> > > My fault. Sorry. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28972 Re: Sorcerer (Tangentizing..) chris towers Sat 9/8/2001 3 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sat Sep 8, 2001 1:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD SACD??? Well, Jeffrey, of the four SACD discs I currently own, three are classical and one is jazz. They are all hybrid two-layer discs and two of them duplicate normal CDs I had bought previously. These hybrid discs are typically twice the price of standard CDs. The jazz one -- one of the duplications -- is interesting in that it was recorded digitally as a 20-bit master. That suggests to me some jiggery-pokery, in that the resolution of the resulting DSD layer (which equates to something between 21 and 22-bit in PCM terms) on the SACD disc is seemingly greater than that of the original. Nevertheless, there appears to be greater spaciousness and apparent depth in the DSD recording, especially around the saxophone, but it might well have been added artificially. The three classical are all recent recordings (one Telarc, one ASV and one Hyperion) and were all recorded as DSD masters. The ASV is of two Beethoven string quartets, including the Grosse Fugue, and the clarity of the contrapuntal writing has to be heard to be believed -- not only with the various melodic lines but with the differing rhythmic accents that occur at the same time from the four instruments. I've often heard the work live but had never appreciated those subtleties before. Hearing more from a recording than from a live event isn't something one encounters very often! One of the other classical discs features the orchestral music of Paul Dukas, including 'The Sorcerer's Apprentice' and once again the clarity, spaciousness and impact of the sound is often astonishing and most exciting. Of course, the better one's equipment (and mine is truly excellent) the better the sound but I am convinced that DSD/SACD has a lot to offer anyway -- more than DVD-A, it would seem, judging by comments I've read recently -- and Sony and others seem dedicated to bringing out SACD players that won't 'break the bank' so, if the software prices can drop, it should eventually take off. (I have one of the less expensive Sony SCD-XB940 players, by the way). Up to six channels are possible but I'm sticking with straight stereo. Turning to the TD Virgin Years. These are, of course, all analogue recordings, so DSD remastering should theoretically bring out the best in them, but that will naturally depend on the quality of the original recordings. You and I are clearly keen to know whether such remastering exists and I, for one, would probably start buying them yet again if it happens -- maybe one initially to see if the extra cost is justified! 'Rubycon' would do nicely. Does anyone else have any comments to make? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' To: Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 4:35 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD SACD??? > Hi John, thanks for responding. Could you also tell how superior is the SACD > over the ordinary CDs we have? > > Thanks > Jeffrey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Marchington > To: > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 7:01 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD SACD??? > > > > The only Virgin recording available as a Direct Stream Digital transfer > that > > I'm aware of is Mike Oldfield's 'Tubular Bells'. If what you say about > > 'Rubycon' is true, then that could be a most exciting recording. However, > if > > it's a dual-layer disc (i.e. one layer DSD and the other standard CD) , > > it'll be expensive! Sony's single layer discs seem a better option to me. > If > > you've shelled out money on an SACD player, you're not going to be playing > > the CD layer of a dual layer disc, and the single layer discs are > > appreciably cheaper! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 6:11 PM > > Subject: [tadream] TD SACD??? > > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > I heard from a source that in the UK there exists a Super-Audio CD of > > > Tangerine Dream. The title is Rubycon. Can any fan please confirm if > this > > > exists and any special feature is associated with this?? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Jeffrey > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sat Sep 8, 2001 3:29 am Subject: More on SACD and 'Rubycon' I decided to do a web search on Virgin records generally and came up with the following info that definitely mentions 'Rubycon' as a contender for SACD release. I noticed other things like Brian Eno's 'Music for Airports' as well. It seems that 'Tubular Bells' is available as a multi-channel release too. http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1129 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: chris towers Date: Sat Sep 8, 2001 8:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer (Tangentizing..) as ive said many times beofre to all concerned, if you dont like it dont buy it, or dont listen to it .... Chris --- Lasse Gustafsson wrote: > But at least we are flaming and blaming person(s?) > who is/are messing up > with their own music. What do we think we are in > this? Individuals after > consumer rights? > > ------------------------------------------------------ > - This page is best viewed with computer and monitor > - > ------------------------------------------------------ > > In a message dated 9/6/01 9:10:25 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > > pergamon@g... writes: > > > > > >> And thus begineth ye old tangenization-rant > again...................... > >> > >> > > > > My fault. Sorry. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Sep 8, 2001 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Poland report Piotr\'Millennium\' wrote: > > Are already photo from Irish Pub and of concert Nice to see the faces behind the names. And the photos of the concert are spectacular. My favorite is the one showing Edgar, the laser beams and the bridge. Well done Piotr! Antonio Nunes From: 'tei waz' Date: Sat Sep 8, 2001 10:44 pm Subject: concert experiences Here's my 2 cents on concert memories Been to many many shows--a few standouts off the top.... April 1980 THE WHO Oakland Coliseum 4th row seats 1983 Peter Gabriel Berkeley Greek Theatre 4th row seats 1984 King Crimson berkeley greek theatre--4th row seats--killer 'The Sheltering Sky'--thank you Bill Bruford 1986 TD Irvine Meadows--even better than the night before at Universal 4th row seats (right behind M. Froese ;)) 1986 November TD music in the movies--wow!--nosebleed seats--cheap ones at $35....lots of soundtrack material with the appropriate films projected above them--also lots of other folks playing that night. Adrian Belew at the Catalyst Club Santa Cruz--the show where he donned the sunglasses to play Roy Orbison's Oh, Pretty Woman. That show rocked from beginning to end. 19?? Grateful Dead Shoreline Amphitheatre--first set Dark Star--7th row. (There were otehr stronger Dead shows, but the crowd went nuts for this one) 1991? Jerry Garcia Band Halloween--Garcia's final comeback after his last 'near-death' experience--near the back seats. Flawless show, great costume contest. Couldn't have asked for better from JGB. 2000 Santa Cruz, CA Colonel Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade--covered all of Pink Floyd's Animals--squished against the closest person to Les Claypool TOOL 1997--lollapalooza--shoreline amph. Maynard from TOOL asks for the people who aren't tripping to talk to those who are.-- The ORB immediately follow/close the show. weak ones: The CARS--1982 San Francisco cowpalace--should've stayed home and played the vinyl--sounded exactly the same The Police--DAy on the Green #???, 19?? Oakland COliseum (syncronicity tour)--the 80s bands opening were much better than the King of Pain on giant projector screens Most out-of-place moment Grateful Dead Carson, California-- Cal State Dominguez soccer field--Dead play 'One More Saturday Night' at about 3:30 in the afternoon--fortunately it was a Saturday. Favorite Grateful Dead moment Watching Mickey Hart kick THE BEAM--and thesubsequent sound those Piano Strings made all the way to the back of shoreline amphitheatre Worst Band KIX (opened for Triumph 1979?) HJKaiser convention center oakland california--serious booing throughout. BEST ALMOST UNKNOWN BAND TO BLOW AN OBVIOUSLY DEJECTED AEROSMITH OFF THE STAGE--AC/DC! Aerosmith didn't want to go on after that and delivered a mediocre set as a result. Oakland Coliseum Arena Day on the Green #3 1978 or 1979. Bands included Frank Marino's Mahogany Rush, AC/DC, Aerosmith, Ted Nugent (headliner). Biggest RIOT Ozzy Osbourne (with Randy Rhoads) Daly City/ S.F. Cowpalace--molotov cocktails in the parking lot before the show--including a garbage truck fire, lots of flying bottles also in the parking lot--over quite oblivious people's heads. Inside first 10 minutes or so all the toilet paper rolls and paper towels removed from the bathrooms--thrown all over the inside of the venue. Floor gets quite scary--show ended early--didn't get to see how it was supposed to go until the show came through about 1.5 years later with Randy (R.I.P.) Rhoad's replacement Brad Gillis on guitar--stage opens up.... Biggest show--Depeche Mode 101 concert (Rose Bowl--Pasadena, CA) Best one (wo)man show--Laurie Anderson War Memorial Opera House San Francisco--side notes: This was when Bobby McFerrin was enjoying much popularity with 'Don't Worry, Be Happy'--one of my buds almost runs smack into him while Bobby was getting off the elevator on the mezzanine floor as we race back to the elevator at curtain call frantically trying to get to our seats before we get stuck with SRO. Most Psychedelic show without psychedelics Psychic TV--The Oasis San Jose--although there may have been something in the incense burning smudge pots--not sure. Close second--Ozric Tentcles 1994 at formerly the Kennel Club (San Francsico) now the Justice League--Fruit Salad Light show and the Black Light Juggler, too). Biggest Bummer Earth DAy 1991? Marina Green San Francisco--being forced to sit through Michael Bolton singing Dock of the Bay, JOurney's Reunion of sorts--no one sings 'Lights' (see embarassing moment)--everyone laughs. Not getting to see DEVO who are warming up--would've been their world premiere of their cover of 'Morning Dew', but SFPD pulls plug--show must end at 6PM by permit (see being forced to sit thru Michael Bolton). Scariest TD moment that's now funny: Security kicking out my buddy for taping at Berkeley Community Theatre 1988--anyone want 'Mothers of Rain--the ebonics mix'? (Note to self--cover up LEDs with black tape) Funniest moment (at front man's expense) Summer Solstice show Ben Lomond (near Santa Cruz) a few years ago RatDog headlining--front man Bob Weir shows up about 30 minutes after his band starts their set. Bob Weir proceeds to fall backward onstage over his amplifier and falls into the drum kit--some nights it's better to not have the show go on. Biggest Spinal Tap Moment Blue Oyster Cult--Sherwood Hall Salinas, California--Stage 'ceiling' too low for their Godzilla to to rise up during their song 'Godzilla'--might as well have been a miniature Stonehenge. --T 'it's only rock n' roll but I like it' _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28975 Re: concert experiences Synthhtnys@a... Sat 9/8/2001 2 KB 28976 Re: concert experiences Deb H-J Sat 9/8/2001 4 KB 28977 Re: concert experiences Synthhtnys@a... Sun 9/9/2001 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Sep 8, 2001 10:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] concert experiences Great stuff there Tei Waz... Really interesting to read about those moments.... I have a couple here: Most embarassed for the band moment: Blue Oyster Cult, Clark County fair a couple years back... there's just something wrong in seeing old farts dressed up in tight leather singing 'Dominance...Submission'!!!! No Wait!!! Most embarassing moment would beeeeeeeeee GONG, Berbati's Pan, Portland also a few years back ...a very old lady in a pink silk teddy singing 'Puuuusssssyyyy'!!!.............. ouch. NO WAIT!!!!!! Tim Blake at the Northwest Service Center falling on his ass drunk glaring at the crowd with lips pursed holding a strap on keyboard up to the PA and emulating feedback.... yeeeesh. Infinitely better than I thought it would be moment: Patrick O'Hearn at the Roseland, Portland Or. This is probably the best show of electronic music I have seen.... I thought it would be OKish, but it blew the top of my head off..... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Deb H-J Date: Sat Sep 8, 2001 11:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] concert experiences Tei, Jeffrey, et. al.: I'm and Olde Concert Farte and have to get in on this one. Best wasted concerted experience: My husband (before I married him) sleeping through the Jimi Hendrix set at the Atlanta Pop Festival in the 60's. Actually, he wasn't sleeping as much as passed out, but that's his story, not mine. This was also the same concert that Janis Joplin alledgedly invited my husband's best friend up to her hotel room, but he couldn't find the hotel (and that's my husband's best friend's story...). Best entrance: Jethro Tull's stage entrance during their 'Thick As a Brick' tour. They were all wearing trenchcoats and walking through the audience, when they suddenly popped up on stage and 'tah-dah'...revealed themselves. Nicely done, and a great concert to boot. Best 70's Moment: Attending the Elton John 'Yellow Brick Road' tour for my 20th birthday with my husband. By then he had met me and definitely stayed awake during this one. Funnest 90's retro moment with our son: Attending the Jimmy Page/Robert Plant tour and doing an audience singalong to 'Black Dog.' This was also the concert where I finally lost it with stupid, wasted, redneck idiots and threatened to throw the fellow behind me off the balcony and onto the arena floor. It helped that I was probably the same age as his Mom. He shut up. Funnest 90's retro moment without our son: Absolutely, totally losing it and dancing my feet off at an outdoor B-52's concert that played all my old favorites. I was sore for days and could hardly move. Absolutely best aural experience: Having a second row seat for a concert by the Bulgarian Women's Choir (sometimes called 'Angelite'), and having my ear's ache for days. This was a hard to describe experience, except that the combined impact of their voices and the harmonics are still the equal, if not more overpowering than any electronic music I've ever heard. Probably my favorite type of venue nowadays: Celtic bands, Bluegrass groups (saw the late, great John Hartford 4 times), and early music ensembles. It will be interesting to see (or hear) how TD fits into my concert history... Deb H-J __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 12:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] concert experiences Absolutely best aural experience: Having a second row seat for a concert by the Bulgarian Women's Choir (sometimes called 'Angelite'), and having my ear's ache for days. This was a hard to describe experience, except that the combined impact of their voices and the harmonics are still the equal, if not more overpowering than any electronic music I've ever heard. *That does it.... I've been meaning to get some of the Bulgarian Women's Choir recordings for some time...... Now I'm going to get off my ass and do it.... > Probably my favorite type of venue nowadays: Celtic > bands, Bluegrass groups (saw the late, great John > Hartford 4 times), and early music ensembles. *If you dig Bluegrass you must check out this new young band called Nickel Creek Truly amazing stuff... They brought tears to my eyes for the beauty of the music.... and that doesn't happen too often... Poly Paul Ellis Hypnos/Binary Recordings PO Box 6868 / Portland, Or 97228 / Usa www.hypnos.com 'It is only a few years before we shall have entirely new methods of tone production by electrical means.... Thus will begin a new era in music.' Leopold Stokowski 1929 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 3:30 am Subject: Concerts I Went To 1978 - Kiss, Providence, RI 1978 - Bowie, Providence, RI 1980-1989 - Black Flag, TSOL, Husker Du (2 times), Nina Hagen (2 times), X (3 times), Iggy Pop (3 times), Motorhead, Lene Lovich, Gary Numan with Nash the Slash, Suicidal Tendencies, The Three O'Clock, Classix Neveaux, Klaus Nomi, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Nico, Sylvester (all of these last four are dead now), Green on Red 1984 - Bowie (Hartford, CT and Foxboro, MA) 1986 - Tangerine Dream, Providence, RI 1988 - Tangerine Dream, Somerville, MA 1990 - Ozric Tentacles, Providence, RI 1996 - Donna Summer (I won tickets on the radio) -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - ar402004@b... [ElectronicMusic@o..., 6/27/99] said: 'Live, Tangerine Dream is the electronic equivalent of Millie Vanilli.' DaNo [ElectronicMusic@o..., 6/27/99] rejoined: 'Finally, someone who puts it into perspective no one can deny.' Ho ho. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: vic rek Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 6:16 am Subject: Warsaw Bridge Report Well I made it back from the Warsaw show. All I can say in a nutshell was that it was a fantastic and unforgettable experience. As for the concert details, Roger covered them quite well. I saw a pretty good track listing floating around too and I'm sure that soon ALL will be confirmed on some CD-Rs that are certain to surface, but please do not contact me - I do not have a tape of the concert. About the Polish singer: - Katarzyna (Kasia) Stankiewicz sang the 'Bridge Song'. She also played with the group 'Various Manx' on two releases: 1. Ego and 2. End. And also, I wanted to say Hi to some of the list members that I met which included Roger and Jorge (and wives) and the Polish TD fans such as Piotr 'Millennium', Lord Rayden, BaG, et. al. I'll be following this e-mail with a special link to your Warsaw TD Visual fantasy..... ;-) Vic From: vic rek Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 6:28 am Subject: Dziekuje Warszawa 2001 Click the following link for your Tangerine Dream Visual Documentary: PL>Tutaj sa rozne zdjecia z koncertu przed mostem Swietokrzyskim w Warszawie: http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/tdwaw.html As I have time, I will update the webpage with narrative information. PL>Jak bede mial czas, to podam wiecej informacji na mojej stronie internetowej. Dziekuje Tangerine Dream! From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 9:27 am Subject: Ozric Tentacles You mentioned you were in a concert of Ozric Tentacles Well. They are coming to me to Vienna in about two weeks. Is it worth to go? Any more info about the band, music they play? Greetings Station Mir -- Global Meditation will be the Global Medication _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28982 Re: Ozric Tentacles Matthew Stringer Sun 9/9/2001 3 KB 28983 Re: Ozric Tentacles odean@m... Sun 9/9/2001 2 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 11:48 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Ozric Tentacles Absolutely awsome band, pure instrumental live prog rock, I cannot recommend them enough! -----Original Message----- From: Michal Moroz [mailto:mirstacja@y...] Sent: 09 September 2001 10:28 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Ozric Tentacles You mentioned you were in a concert of Ozric Tentacles Well. They are coming to me to Vienna in about two weeks. Is it worth to go? Any more info about the band, music they play? Greetings Station Mir -- Global Meditation will be the Global Medication _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: odean@m... Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 2:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ozric Tentacles At 11:27 AM 9/9/01 +0200, you wrote: >You mentioned you were in a concert of Ozric Tentacles >Well. They are coming to me to Vienna in about two weeks. Is it worth to go? >Any more info about the band, music they play? Run (don't walk) to get your tickets for their show! They are an awesome prog rock band. Oscar http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/ From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ozric Tentacles Think Phish meets Tangerine Dream. Think Tangerine Dream from TYRANNY OF BEAUTY combined with the improvisation of the Grateful Dead, with some reggae thrown in. That's Ozric Tentacles. This is psychedelia that started off as a homage to Hawkwind and Gong but evolved into so much more. If you are a big fan of albums like RICOCHET, ENCORE CYCLONE and PERGAMON, definitely go. And if you're not, go anyways. ;) These guys actually play their guitars and synths live 90% of the time! Steven Feldman On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:27:48 +0200 'Michal Moroz' writes: > You mentioned you were in a concert of Ozric Tentacles > Well. They are coming to me to Vienna in about two weeks. Is it > worth to go? > Any more info about the band, music they play? > > Greetings > Station Mir > -- > Global Meditation will be the Global Medication > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ozric Tentacles > This is psychedelia that started off as a homage to Hawkwind > and Gong but evolved into so much more. If you are a big fan of > albums like RICOCHET, ENCORE CYCLONE and PERGAMON, > definitely go. And if you're not, go anyways. ;) These guys actually > play their guitars and synths live 90% of the time! > > Steven Feldman I'm a big fan of Encore and Pergamon :)) Going to run for the tickets tommorow in the morning :) Your Vienna corespondent - Station Mir :) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: horrod6 Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 6:36 pm Subject: Ref: Bulgarian women's choir (was 'concert experiences') Poly wrote: *That does it.... I've been meaning to get some of the Bulgarian Women's Choir recordings for some time...... Now I'm going to get off my ass and do it.... Do it, Poly, do it! The music is quite extraordinary, it's sometimes hard to believe that the human voice is capable of producing these sounds. I can thoroughly recommend 'Le Mystere des Voix Bulgares', although I don't know how easy it will be to get hold of in the US. LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28990 Re: Ref: Bulgarian women's choir (was 'concert ex Synthhtnys@a... Sun 9/9/2001 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 7:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ozric Tentacles I would strongly suggest buying their most recent album and playing it at least a half dozen times before you go. That way, you'll be able to better appreciate their live show, since they'll probably play at least three tracks from their latest album. Steven Feldman On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:02:49 +0200 'Michal Moroz' writes: > > This is psychedelia that started off as a homage to Hawkwind > > and Gong but evolved into so much more. If you are a big fan of > > albums like RICOCHET, ENCORE CYCLONE and PERGAMON, > > definitely go. And if you're not, go anyways. ;) These guys > actually > > play their guitars and synths live 90% of the time! > > > > Steven Feldman > > I'm a big fan of Encore and Pergamon :)) > Going to run for the tickets tommorow in the morning :) > > Your Vienna corespondent - Station Mir :) > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 7:39 pm Subject: TD revisited I thought to myself today whilst working on one of the most boring projects ever (food programme with authentic 1950s music) that I should give the new TD albums that I`ve been quick to dismiss another listen, only this time with no expectations or comparisons. I`m glad to say that I`m finding some real gems, the most surprising so far being 'What a Blast' which has a lot of the elements I like about the early albums in it .If I put all of the other new CDs on and find the same thing, then does that means I`m crackers ???? Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29001 Re: TD revisited Joe Shoults Mon 9/10/2001 2 KB From: vic rek Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 8:33 pm Subject: Sohoman CD Reissued I haven't heard anyone mention that the Sohoman CD has been reissued with a slightly different booklet and tray insert. The booklet has a different font than the original issue and does not have a white border around it. Also the EDAGAR misspelling has been corrected on the tray insert and the barcode has been moved. For those that need to know. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28992 Re: Sohoman CD Reissued Jim Moore Sun 9/9/2001 2 KB 28997 Re: Sohoman CD Reissued scfeldman@j... Mon 9/10/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 9:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ref: Bulgarian women's choir (was 'concert experiences') Do it, Poly, do it! The music is quite extraordinary, it's sometimes hard to believe that the human voice is capable of producing these sounds. I can thoroughly recommend 'Le Mystere des Voix Bulgares', although I don't know how easy it will be to get hold of in the US. *Not too hard, really. I just haven't gotten to it yet... I love ethereal vocal music, which I'm assuming is what this is like... I was just listening to Shiela Chandra and Arvo Part.....beautiful stuff.... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Scott' Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 9:44 pm Subject: Re: Concert experiences Best: TD, Music Hall, Cleveland, OH 6/24/86: Without a doubt the best show I've ever seen. Mesmerizing. Phish, Polaris Amphitheater, Columbus, OH 7/14/00: They cut the first set short after the first tune because the storm that blew in seconds before showtime was getting the stage wet. Everyone on the lawn (the show was sold out, so it was full) all crashed the pavilion, myself included, so we were packed in like sardines. Imagine beging stuck with 20,000 wet Phish heads at the end of summer tour on what was a very hot day, and you can imagine the odor. They made up for cutting the first set short by absolutely rocking out for the rest of the show. Another thing that made the show great was sharing a blanket with a nice young lady. Pink Floyd, Municipal Stadium, Cleveland, OH 5/94: OK, so it was the most overblown, overhyped concert tour of all time. But still, you gotta love a band that can fill Cleveland Stadium (at the time the biggest in the American League) two nights in a row and also make use of the whole stadium and have great sound to boot. It lived up to the hype, and it was great hearing an extended Gilmour guitar solo at the end of Comfortably Numb because the mirror ball didn't open on cue. Grateful Dead, Blossom Music Center, Cuahoga Falls, OH 6/29/84: There's no better feeling than being the only Deadhead in your high school, especially when Flock of Seagulls and their ilk permeated the airwaves. I remember the Psychedelic Furs played Blossom a few days before to a half-capacity audience, whereas about 10,000 people over capacity showed up for the Dead and partied in the lots. TD, Nautica Stage, Cleveland, OH 8/30/88: A great venue for a great band. After an opening act that lasted 44 minutes longer than it should (total time was 45 min.) TD took the stage and commanded the consciences of everyone in that section of Cleveland for two hours. I remember seeing people gathering on the other side of the Cuyahoga River, across from the venue, looking and listening, and a ship going by during House of the Rising Sun. ekoostik Hookah and moe., Nautica Stage, Cleveland, OH 6/22/01: Hookah always puts on a great show, and, knowing they'd be under scrutiny by moe. fans, put on an even better show than usual. moe., on the other hand, is one of those bands where you say to yourself 'Damn! Why didn't I get into these guys years ago!' In short, they blew me away. Phish, Polaris Amphitheater, Columbus, OH 7/31/98: Not many bands can sing in Hebrew and still rock. Ironically, the only concert I have ever been to (including jazz & orchestras) where I have NOT smelled weed. Ohio Bell Jazz Fest, Blossom Music Center, Cuahoga Falls, OH 1986: Miles freakin' Davis, Herbie freakin' Hancock, Wayne freakin' Shorter, Branford mother-scratchin' Marsalis and the late, great Stevie Ray Vaughan. 'nuff said. Mojo Nixon, Phantasy Theater, Lakewood, OH 1994: The Phantasy is right across the street from where I used to live, and after the show, I invited Mojo over, and, much to my surprise, he accepted! He downed a fifth of whiskey and threw up on my front porch, then passed out and we had to carry him back. Good show, too. The Worst: Eric Clapton, The Coliseum, Richfield, OH 1988: Clapton is God, my ass! If Clapton is God, then Nietzsche was right! He must not have kicked heroin yet, because I've heard garage band guitarists sound better. Clapton owes me big time. Andy Summers, Nautica Stage, Cleveland, OH 8/30/88: Forty-five minutes of guitar wanking masquerading as music. Interesting for about a minute. And from someone so talented. What a waste. The Moody Blues, Blossom Music Center, Cuahoga Falls, OH 1986: Talk about going through the motions. I almost asked for my money back. Hank Williams Jr., Starwood Amp., Antioch, TN, 1989: OK, stop snickering. My brother in law to be paid for it, so I had no choice. (What really pissed me off was that Mojo Nixon was playing in Nashville the same night!) This bum had such contempt for his audience that he flew in on a freakin' helicopter, played for an hour, then flew out without an encore. I felt gypped even not having paid a dime. Most embarassing moment: Unknown punk band opening for King Missile (of 'Detachable Penis' fame), The Agora, Cleveland, 1993: Guitarist, upon finishing a song, throws guitar into audience, striking girl in forehead and sending her to hospital with gash. And they didn't even apologize! Needless to say, he was showered with beer bottles by us for the rest of their set. Funniest moment: moe., 6/22/01: Someone lost their wallet, and someone else handed it to the band. They proceeded to remove the credit cards and read the credit card numbers out loud to the audience before returning the wallet to its owner. Funniest thing caught on tape at a show: Dave Matthews Band, Gund Arena, Cleveland, 12/7/00: They covered Neil Young's 'Cortez the Killer' and as soon as the singing started and you could recognize the tune, my shouted 'woo hoo!' at the top of her lungs. I was taping the show, and my dear wife came out loud and clear. Funniest TD-related moment: Kris Kristofferson, The Coliseum, Richfield, OH Oct. 1987: While he was introducing a song, I yelled out 'Flashpoint rules!' He turned toward me and said 'Yeah, that was a good movie, thanks.' Best concert that, in retrospect, now seems kinda silly: Pink Floyd, Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY, 2/27/80: The Wall tour, touted as being the biggest rock spectacle ever, was pretty spectacular. My brother won tickets off the radio, along with a bus trip, and he took me along. He was 15, I was 12. Yes, 12, and we snuck out of the house, took the bus downtown and took another bus to New York to see this show. Our parents damn near killed us, but it was worth it. But now, when I see the video of the show, it all seems kinda silly and kind of embarassing. Which is really sad, because musically the shows were awesome. Enough for now. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29003 Re: Concert experiences Joe Shoults Mon 9/10/2001 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 10:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Sohoman CD Reissued And?! > From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] > > I haven't heard anyone mention that the Sohoman CD has been > reissued with a slightly different booklet and tray insert. The > booklet has a different font than the original issue and does not > have a white border around it. Also the EDAGAR misspelling > has been corrected on the tray insert and the barcode has been > moved. For those that need to know. Vic From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 9:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ozric Tentacles Definitely worth a go. Went to see them in May, best gig of the year so far, sorry TD. > You mentioned you were in a concert of Ozric Tentacles > Well. They are coming to me to Vienna in about two weeks. Is it worth to go? > Any more info about the band, music they play? > From: quarlie@a... Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 10:40 pm Subject: Re: Ozric Tentacles In a message dated 9/9/01 5:26:09 AM, mirstacja@y... writes: >You mentioned you were in a concert of Ozric Tentacles >Well. They are coming to me to Vienna in about two weeks. Is it worth to >go? >Any more info about the band, music they play? Go! Go! I honestly don't hear the similarities between the Ozrics and TD that many people on this list seem to, but even so, the Ozrics concert I attended about a year ago was quite possibly the best night of my life. I can't wait to see them again. --Daniel NP: Avantasia: the Metal Opera (I'm such a dork) From: BRUCE@F... Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 11:29 pm Subject: Warsaw/Tyger I've got the Warsaw live CD and my copy has pictures of Schmoelling, Froese and Franke on the front and back and sleeve notes for the Tyger album inside it. Does anyone else have this? From: 'simon heath' Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 5:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ozric Tentacles >I honestly don't hear the similarities between the Ozrics and TD true.There is a big rock element in OT.I've been seeing them since the 80's. Early influences on them were Hawkwind and Gong, but they have moved way beyond that....they're the best in their field ( a field of 1).Go to http://www.ozrics.com/index2.htm www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath -----Original Message----- From: quarlie@a... To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 09 September 2001 23:42 Subject: [tadream] Re: Ozric Tentacles >In a message dated 9/9/01 5:26:09 AM, mirstacja@y... writes: > >>You mentioned you were in a concert of Ozric Tentacles >>Well. They are coming to me to Vienna in about two weeks. Is it worth to >>go? >>Any more info about the band, music they play? > >Go! Go! > that many >people on this list seem to, but even so, the Ozrics concert I attended about >a year ago was quite possibly the best night of my life. I can't wait to see >them again. > >--Daniel >NP: Avantasia: the Metal Opera (I'm such a dork) > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 6:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Sohoman CD Reissued Yeah, but did Eddie do anything about that mondo sound glitch? Steven Feldman On Sun, 09 Sep 2001 16:33:52 -0400 vic rek writes: > I haven't heard anyone mention that the Sohoman CD has been reissued > with a slightly different booklet and tray insert. The > booklet has a different font than the original issue and does not > have a white border around it. Also the EDAGAR misspelling > has been corrected on the tray insert and the barcode has been > moved. For those that need to know. Vic > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: gmroger@p... Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 7:18 am Subject: Re: The Poland Report On 7 Sep 2001, at 7:55, tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 23:51:27 +0200 > From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' > Subject: Re: The Poland report > > Are already photo from Irish Pub and of concert > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. Millennium > > http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ It's the first time I've visited your website (Polish websites are far easier to access than those outside the country). Very well done! Nice to see the wife on the home page... :) Roger Hartopp -- Mmm czesc to ja. Chcesz mnie ... rozebrac? OK, zagraj ze mna w ruletke [ http://miss.onet.pl/start.html ] From: renaud@a... Date: Sat Sep 8, 2001 10:33 am Subject: Robert Schroeder For those would would be interested to discover the music of Robert Schroeder, further to the recent discussion on the list about him, his second release 'Floating Music' CD is there: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=146368 8181 From: Jens Kilian Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 1:20 pm Subject: Ozric Tentacles, concert experiences etc. > From: quarlie@a... [...] > I honestly don't hear the similarities between the Ozrics and TD that many > people on this list seem to, [...] Same here; I still would've enjoyed the concert I went to (Santa Cruz, 1999 IIRC), except that I was right near the speakers and they are just TOO FREAKING L OOO U U DDDD L O O U U D D L O O U U D D L O O U U D D LLLLL OOO UUU DDDD for me :-) Best overall concert experience (non-TD, though): 2000, Festival Babel at Strasbourg (France). Inside of three days, I got to hear - Huun-Huur-Tu (Mongolian Choomei, weird and fascinating) - The Bulgarian Voices Angelite (dito) - Värttinä (Finnish folk, lots of energy) - Alan Stivell (Breton folk) - Geoffrey Oryema (African) - Idir (North Africa; the absolute highlight of the festival, with a jam packed auditorium going wild) - Several others I forgot, or missed; I'm particularly angry at myself for missing Sam Alpha's performance of George Brassens chansons in Creole. Jens. -- Mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29005 Re: Ozric Tentacles, concert experiences etc. odean@m... Mon 9/10/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 2:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD revisited maybe it means you've 'cracked' the egg of latter-day TD appreciation, (pun intended) > -----Original Message----- ... > I thought to myself today whilst working on one of the most > boring projects > ever (food programme with authentic 1950s music) that I > should give the new > TD albums that I`ve been quick to dismiss another listen, > only this time > with no expectations or comparisons. I`m glad to say that I`m > finding some > real gems, the most surprising so far being 'What a Blast' > which has a lot > of the elements I like about the early albums in it .If I put > all of the > other new CDs on and find the same thing, then does that > means I`m crackers > ???? > > Paul From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 2:16 pm Subject: OT RE: [tadream] Ozric Tentacles run, don't walk to buy tickets to see Ozrics! (but bring your earplugs, believe me!) ..oops - before I sent this I noticed that someone else used the same expression, and I see that you responded that you will go, but I'll leave this for emphasis! Somebody else mentioned that they don't se a similarity between TD and OT. Well, I guess the best analogy I can think of is it's kinda like two different cuts of meat from the same animal. While OT is mostly guitar-driven, there is a lot of sequencing and (ultra)trippy synth work going on. OT rarely has vocals. They are very psychedelic. Perhaps not so strong a similarity, but they have a very 'geo-eclectic' repertiore, employing musical styles from all over the globe, going from a far-eastern to reggae to straight-forward rock sound on the same album. I was playing it for a buddy and he said it sounded like a cross between Van Halen and Kraftwerk, but he doesn't know about Hawkwind or TD. I'd say OT is more like the latter blend, as they are much more in the 'progressive' category. *Definitely* worth seeing. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michal Moroz [mailto:mirstacja@y...] > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:28 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Ozric Tentacles > > > You mentioned you were in a concert of Ozric Tentacles > Well. They are coming to me to Vienna in about two weeks. Is > it worth to go? > Any more info about the band, music they play? > > Greetings > Station Mir > -- > Global Meditation will be the Global Medication > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 2:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Concert experiences Scott- Great post! But maybe it's because I was at a lot of these shows too... I'll add: > Best: > TD, Music Hall, Cleveland, OH 6/24/86: Without a doubt the > best show I've ever seen. Mesmerizing. Yes, except that it is a tie with the Grateful Dead at Buckeye Lake when Traffic opened (what the hell year was that?) I wouldn't be here on the list now if it weren't for seeing this show; it permanently galvanized my being a fan of TD. > Andy Summers, Nautica Stage, Cleveland, OH 8/30/88: > Forty-five minutes of > guitar wanking masquerading as music. Interesting for about a > minute. And from someone so talented. What a waste. everybody rags on his show, but man, I really liked it! OK, maybe it was bacuse I was in a particularly ... pliant.. mood... From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 3:29 pm Subject: Concert experciences Well. I'm still quite young :) and have all the concerts before me. But I was at Mike Oldfield (Then and Now Tour) 99 - Katowice, Poland - And I have the bootleg :) Now got the ticket for the Tentacles - I'm awaiting it Station_Mir -- Global Meditation will be the Global Medication _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: odean@m... Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 9:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ozric Tentacles, concert experiences etc. At 03:20 PM 9/10/01 +0200, you wrote: >Best overall concert experience (non-TD, though): > > - Värttinä (Finnish folk, lots of energy) > > Jens. I've never seen them in concert but I think their CD's are great! 'Lots of energy' is an understatement! Oscar http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/ From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 10:44 pm Subject: Nov 9th Ventura Theater TD concert Ventura Theater box office at (805) 653-0721 sells tickets for $25, general seating, there is a chance they will leave the dance floor. $28 cash, $31 credit total. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29010 Re: Nov 9th Ventura Theater TD concert Joe Shoults Tue 9/11/2001 2 KB From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Tue Sep 11, 2001 3:41 am Subject: With all this talk about the Ozrics... (off topic) Hi all, I too have been turned on to Ozric Tentacles, thanks to Vic Rek showing me _Erpland_ back in 2000. But there's another group that I just discovered that I think some TD fans would also like. They're called Tortoise. I got exposed to their CD _TNT_ on my recent trip to Yosemite, and I picked up the CD not long after getting back. I think these guys are really good! They're a band out of Chicago, and this album has a blend of styles ranging from laid-back rock, to jazz to outright electronic. They use a wide range of instruments like the standard drums/bass/guitar, to synths/drum machines, to vibraphone, horns and strings. They strike me as a more laid-back kind of Ozrics, but focusing more on jazziness and not so much on world music flavors. Surely there's someone else on this list who's heard of these guys... Maybe some Chicagoans? I'm gonna have to try some of their other CD's as well. As for the Ozrics, I'd definitely jump at the chance to see one of their shows, if they ever came back to AZ (same goes for Tortoise). Dave B. (returning to lurk, or lurking to return) From: jowers Date: Tue Sep 11, 2001 4:39 am Subject: Re: With all this talk about other bands... (off topic) Porcupine Tree. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29009 Re: With all this talk about other bands... (off C. Chambers Tue 9/11/2001 2 KB 29021 Re: With all this talk about other bands... (off odean@m... Tue 9/11/2001 2 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Tue Sep 11, 2001 4:42 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: With all this talk about other bands... (off topic) > > Porcupine Tree. > Without a doubt! From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Sep 11, 2001 12:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Nov 9th Ventura Theater TD concert I had assumed that all venues would be no seating in front of the stage. The venue in Cleveland is mosly floor, with few seats. Are there any venues listed that have fixed seating right in front of the stage? > -----Original Message----- > From: Whiteley, Steve [mailto:steve.whiteley@s...] ... > Ventura Theater box office at (805) 653-0721 sells tickets > for $25, general > seating, there is a chance they will leave the dance floor. > From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Sep 11, 2001 1:47 pm Subject: Tortoise I think I've heard of Tortoise - I believe TNT was one of the cds that I was pulling cuts from a few months ago when I was producing a promo compilation! Pretty eclectic stuff. <<>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29016 OT:Schocked Peter Ravn Tue 9/11/2001 2 KB From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Tue Sep 11, 2001 2:02 pm Subject: Tortoise (was Re: With all this talk about the Ozrics... (off topic) > ...there's another group that I just discovered > that I think some TD fans would also like. They're called Tortoise. Sure! Huge Tortoise fan, but I think they're even less like Tangerine Dream than Ozric Tentacles. Wouldn't recommend them blindly, but the description of them is accurate, so if the description appeals to you, then they are definitely worth checking out. After _TNT_, I like _Standards_ next, but all four are good, and probably the spaciest is _Millions Now Living Will Never Die_. Also, they are _extremely_ well produced, the sound is organic and almost indie, but the fidelity is high. -- Face down in the lap of luxury, and nowhere to GO but DOWN... :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: horrod6 Date: Tue Sep 11, 2001 6:27 pm Subject: OT: Todays events in the US My deepest sympathy to any of you whose family or friends have been directly affected by today's events. And to the rest of our American members, my thoughts are with you too, in the shock and outrage you must be feeling now. Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29015 Re: OT: Todays events in the US David Foster Tue 9/11/2001 3 KB 29024 OT: Todays events in the US Lasse Gustafsson Wed 9/12/2001 3 KB 29019 Re: OT: Todays events in the US Jim Moore Tue 9/11/2001 2 KB 29026 Re: OT: Todays events in the US vic rek Wed 9/12/2001 3 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Sep 11, 2001 7:21 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] OT: Todays events in the US I would like to second these sentiments, the news in France and all over Europe is talking of nothing else. Our thoughts are with those who have lost family and friends in this horrific attack, we are all numbed by the news. The short and long term implications of this don't bear thinking about. Paul Fellows ---------- >De : horrod6 >Ŕ : dreamers >Objet : [tadream] OT: Todays events in the US >Date : Mar 11 sep 2001 20:27 > > My deepest sympathy to any of you whose family or friends have been > directly affected by today's events. And to the rest of our American > members, my thoughts are with you too, in the shock and outrage you must > be feeling now. > > Marion > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Sep 11, 2001 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Todays events in the US I agree with Marion's sentiments. Our hearts go out to all of you David whose family is half American. ----- Original Message ----- From: horrod6 To: dreamers Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:27 PM Subject: [tadream] OT: Todays events in the US > My deepest sympathy to any of you whose family or friends have been > directly affected by today's events. And to the rest of our American > members, my thoughts are with you too, in the shock and outrage you must > be feeling now. > > Marion > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29024 OT: Todays events in the US Lasse Gustafsson Wed 9/12/2001 3 KB From: Peter Ravn Date: Tue Sep 11, 2001 7:18 pm Subject: OT:Schocked My deepest sympathy for the american people Peter Ravn pr@r... & peter@r... From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Sep 11, 2001 7:51 pm Subject: Hello etc. Hi, I just joined this group. I'm 16, male and Finnish. My first encounter with Tangerine Dream was Stratosfear(only the title track) at the age of 5. I did like that, but my next one was quite a bit later. I was 12 and a fan of Jean Michel Jarre by then. My father then recommended Exit to me. I was initially hooked. My discography so far includes: Full albums: Alpha Centauri Zeit Atem --- Rubycon Ricochet (part 2 is my favorite TD piece) Stratosfear Soundmill Navigator Encore(newest addition) Force Majeure Pergamon Tangram Exit Logos Hyperborea --- Firestarter Poland (my favorite album) Le Parc Underwater Sunlight Livemiles --- Melrose --- 220 Volt Goblin's Club --- Mars Polaris Other stuff: The Dream Roots Collection Tangerine Dream (the version with Phaedra; that's a pretty confusing name for a collection...) A cassette sampler, which has some material from the 70-80 box set The Poland-shaped version of the Warsaw In The Sun single And some questions/topics... 1. I've heard that there is one version of Livemiles with 7 or 8 tracks. Do any of you know anything about that? 2. Isn't the final fadeout of Song Of The Whale borrowed from Kiew Mission? 3. What's the last name of the 2nd Klaus, Kruger or Krieger? I know several sources claiming one and several claiming it's the other. 4. I have the Dream Roots Collection; is there a point buying Green Desert & Tyger? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29018 Re: Hello etc. Jim Moore Tue 9/11/2001 3 KB 29031 Re: Hello etc. John Vertical Wed 9/12/2001 3 KB 29034 Re: Hello etc. rubyconist@y... Wed 9/12/2001 3 KB 29035 Re: Hello etc. John Vertical Wed 9/12/2001 2 KB 29046 Re: Hello etc. Lasse Gustafsson Wed 9/12/2001 2 KB 29047 Definitely NOT a funny joke anymore.. Lasse Gustafsson Wed 9/12/2001 2 KB 29038 Re: Hello etc. Michal Moroz Wed 9/12/2001 2 KB 29043 Re: Hello etc. Frank Arellano Wed 9/12/2001 4 KB 29048 Re: Hello etc. moxica@m... Wed 9/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Sep 11, 2001 9:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Hello etc. > From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] Hey, John! Cool name... > And some questions/topics... > 1. I've heard that there is one version of Livemiles with 7 or 8 > tracks. Do > any of you know anything about that? The original Jive/Electro and Caroline CD'S were indexed into 7 tracks (4 for the Albequerque and 3 for West Berlin). It's the same music as later releases, though. > 2. Isn't the final fadeout of Song Of The Whale borrowed from > Kiew Mission? Sound similar, but I don't think they are exactly the same. What's really cool is that the base sequence for Dolphin Dance appeared 4 years earlier in the Soldier movie soundtrack. > 3. What's the last name of the 2nd Klaus, Kruger or Krieger? I > know several > sources claiming one and several claiming it's the other. Depends -- in the 70's, it was Krieger. All references I have after 1980 (including his aborted 1992 tour appearance) list him as Kruger. > 4. I have the Dream Roots Collection; is there a point buying > Green Desert & > Tyger? Green Desert? Not really, unless you want the full unadulterated version of the title track. Tyger? Yes. - jim From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Sep 11, 2001 9:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Todays events in the US > From: horrod6 [mailto:horrod6@n...] > My deepest sympathy to any of you whose family or friends have been > directly affected by today's events. And to the rest of our American > members, my thoughts are with you too, in the shock and outrage you must > be feeling now. > Marion Simply speaking as an American: thank you, Marion, for the thoughts. These days will be trying times for everyone. - jim From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Tue Sep 11, 2001 10:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Terrorist attacks Still shocked and numbed from the impact of the terrible news from the US, I only want to second briefly what other people on this list have uttered, and hope that all our list friends in the States, their families, and their friends have not been directly affected. I hope the community will find the strength to cope with these awful attacks in an adequate way. Dennis From: odean@m... Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 2:05 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: With all this talk about other bands... (off topic) At 12:42 AM 9/11/01 -0400, you wrote: > > > > Porcupine Tree. > > > >Without a doubt! Please add the Flower Kings to that list as well! A killer progressive rock group. Oscar http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/ From: Paul Nicholson Date: Tue Sep 11, 2001 11:45 pm Subject: Terror N.Y./ D.C. This is the madness that happens when we turn a blind eye to the suffering in the world and continue live our lives like we are all there is. The enormity of this horror, this tradgedy will effect us all for a very long time, I'm afraid. And now I hear that george II is bombing Kabul. Remember how everyone jumped to the er- ronious assumption the it was Arabs back in Oklahoma, only to find it was a different sort of tortured soul in the person of Timothy McVeigh, an American. So our Fool In Chief has decided it was the Afganis, this time Please people, let's not try to bomb our way out of this. I may have lost friends in there today. Bombing Kabul only kills someone elses friends. Lets start to heal the madness now. My sorrow and prayers for the people who died and the grieving ones left behind. paul nicholson palowlsart@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29049 Re: Terror N.Y./ D.C. moxica@m... Wed 9/12/2001 2 KB 29050 Re: Terror N.Y./ D.C. Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 9/12/2001 3 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 12:36 am Subject: OT: Re: Terror N.Y./ D.C. In a message dated 9/11/01 7:47:02 PM, paulowlsart@y... writes: >And now I hear that george II is bombing Kabul. >Remember how everyone jumped to the >erronious assumption the it was Arabs back in Oklahoma, >only to find it was a different sort of tortured soul >in the person of Timothy McVeigh, an American. So our >Fool In Chief has decided it was the Afganis, this time This is not believed to be US attack, last I heard. Afghanistan was at war with rebel groups to begin with. Let's not jump to conclusions about the US, either. --Daniel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29025 Re: OT: Re: Terror N.Y./ D.C. -=brian=- Wed 9/12/2001 3 KB 29027 Re: OT: Re: Terror N.Y./ D.C. Michael A Jean Wed 9/12/2001 5 KB 29028 OT: Re: Terror N.Y./ D.C. veine@v... Wed 9/12/2001 2 KB 29033 This world has gone totally fugazi! Matthew Stringer Wed 9/12/2001 2 KB From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 12:37 am Subject: OT: Todays events in the US Curiosity Astonishment Disbelief Negation Dismay Sorrow Rage ... And feel of weakness beyond all those six hours on disaster and terror on news - in a land far far away; somewhere other side of the planet - in a land where no enemy or threat has never set foot on - in a land where ordinary people are preparing to do ordinary work just to find thenseves into a raging hell of fire. Shall thee rest in peace. I wish my condolences for all of You, who left in alive after. The world I knew is no more. It has changed - the way that I would never wish to happen. Not like this. Never like that. I wish our children will learn something from this, or all today's horror has been a complete vanity. The one who said that there is no bad where is nothing good in it, could not foresee this. My thoughts are with You; my dear brothers and sisters away there. LG From: -=brian=- Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 12:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Re: Terror N.Y./ D.C. Thank you Daniel. It is too early to draw any conclusions about the actions taken today. We need to take a moment to do some investigating before we start making accusatory remarks. I thank all of our non-American friends who have shown their support for America and Americans. Your support is greatly appreciated. I have lost five friends in today's tragedies -- three in the World Trade Center, and two in the airline that went down in Pennsylvania. I'm loathe to blame anyone until I know more, but I hope with all my heart that the people responsible for this heinous act are brought to justice. -=brian=- > From: quarlie@a... > Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:36:57 EDT > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] OT: Re: Terror N.Y./ D.C. > > In a message dated 9/11/01 7:47:02 PM, paulowlsart@y... writes: > >> And now I hear that george II is bombing Kabul. >> Remember how everyone jumped to the >> erronious assumption the it was Arabs back in Oklahoma, >> only to find it was a different sort of tortured soul >> in the person of Timothy McVeigh, an American. So our >> Fool In Chief has decided it was the Afganis, this time > > This is not believed to be US attack, last I heard. Afghanistan was at war > with rebel groups to begin with. > > Let's not jump to conclusions about the US, either. > > --Daniel > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29027 Re: OT: Re: Terror N.Y./ D.C. Michael A Jean Wed 9/12/2001 5 KB From: vic rek Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 1:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Todays events in the US This is a difficult day. I really feel for the families of the victims. I just heard that over 200 NYC firefighters also lost their lives in the buildings. Jim Moore wrote: > > From: horrod6 [mailto:horrod6@n...] > > My deepest sympathy to any of you whose family or friends have been > > directly affected by today's events. And to the rest of our American > > members, my thoughts are with you too, in the shock and outrage you must > > be feeling now. > > Marion > > Simply speaking as an American: thank you, Marion, for the thoughts. > These days will be trying times for everyone. > > - jim > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 2:53 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Re: Terror N.Y./ D.C. I am sorry to hear that Brian... I haven't received any bad news about friends or family yet... It has been an interesting day here in DC... I could see the smoke from the Pentagon from my office, and had to find a different way home, since I usually use Pentagon station. It was also strange to see fighter jets flying around DC. My wife thinks the plane that hit the Pentagon flew right over our apartment (which is about 4 miles from the Pentagon). MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: -=brian=- [mailto:music@f...] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:00 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Re: Terror N.Y./ D.C. > > > Thank you Daniel. It is too early to draw any conclusions about > the actions > taken today. We need to take a moment to do some investigating before we > start making accusatory remarks. > > I thank all of our non-American friends who have shown their support for > America and Americans. Your support is greatly appreciated. > > I have lost five friends in today's tragedies -- three in the World Trade > Center, and two in the airline that went down in Pennsylvania. > > I'm loathe to blame anyone until I know more, but I hope with all my heart > that the people responsible for this heinous act are brought to justice. > > -=brian=- > > > From: quarlie@a... > > Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:36:57 EDT > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] OT: Re: Terror N.Y./ D.C. > > > > In a message dated 9/11/01 7:47:02 PM, paulowlsart@y... writes: > > > >> And now I hear that george II is bombing Kabul. > >> Remember how everyone jumped to the > >> erronious assumption the it was Arabs back in Oklahoma, > >> only to find it was a different sort of tortured soul > >> in the person of Timothy McVeigh, an American. So our > >> Fool In Chief has decided it was the Afganis, this time > > > > This is not believed to be US attack, last I heard. Afghanistan > was at war > > with rebel groups to begin with. > > > > Let's not jump to conclusions about the US, either. > > > > --Daniel > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: veine@v... Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 2:23 am Subject: [tadream] OT: Re: Terror N.Y./ D.C. Me and mine are o.k. today, though appropriately shaken by the events of today. My wife is a nurse and we hope to go to NYC to do what we can to help in the following days.... god bless all those who are touched by this horrible incident. (I have a feeling it will be more of us than imaginable...) To all my friends on the list, my prayers are with you as we go through this tragedy together, as a nation, and as individuals. Special thanks to the ones from abroad who have shown such great support during this tough time. ~Veine Vikberg -- Get your firstname@l... email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29033 This world has gone totally fugazi! Matthew Stringer Wed 9/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 2:16 am Subject: Re: OT: Todays events in the US Came here as I was just wanting to see, read and feel what my worldwide group of TD friends thought... This day started for me with an eerily overcrowded BART train which slightly con- fused me, as I'm going against the main flow of traffic when I travel to work in Danville. It was a beautiful day and there was no need to check the weather reports in the morning to find out when inclement weather would be forthcoming. After all, it's summertime here in sunny California. When I got to work -- still no bloody clue whatsoever. Then just because I needed to use the facilities decided to go across the street to Starbuck's just before 1 pm PDT this after- noon (our bathrooms are being overhauled where I work and temporally out of order). It was there that I caught my first glimpse that something went terribly wrong today. The great staff at Starbuck's were all gathered outside and their business doors were tightly closed and securely locked (as all Starbuck's coffee shops throughout the USA were ordered to close). Then they told me what had happened, The twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City -- gone. Also, that later another jet plane smashes into the Pentagon -- and it's still burning. I then walked back to the shop (Unique Toys & Gifts), still totally shaken and just stared with disbelief at the pedal airplane which I'd proudly put out for display earlier in the day. It's a kid's toy and we sell many varieties of them. Then I calmly but firmly brought it inside and called my brother David. Told him that I just found out what had taken place this day and was now getting ready to close the store down. Went onto the Internet briefly just to see it for myself. There are no possible words that can possibly describe it. A tad later when I got back to Berkeley at the Rockridge BART station the No. 64 AC Transit bus driver greeted me with a smile and asked how it was going. I responded with, 'Just so-so, I'm really glad to see that your still in business.' He replied, 'And, we plan to keep it that way too!' I made it home safely and then turned on the TV, radio and computer. Checked my e-mails and noted several incoming from my TD friends oversees they had already kindly contacted me. Then checked our Tadream list in Yahoo groups to see what's what. So, here I am now, still shaken, but that bus driver was right. It brought a very small but overdue faint smile to an otherwise horrendous day... Best Regards, -- Al (Berkeley, CA / USA) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Paul Nicholson Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 3:39 am Subject: Today's Horror The appaulling loss of life, all those people...earlier i left a somewhat more emotional missive because i had heard the u.s. was bombing kabul, this has turned out not to be a u.s. action. i'm just flattened by all the violence, the needless suffering...all those brave fire men...it all sucks so bad. paulowlsart@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 4:58 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Hello etc. >Hey, John! Cool name... > Well, it's not my real name, but a translation... my real one's Juho Pystynen, and 'pysty' would stand for 'vertical', 'erect' etc. (nen is just a common end in Finnish last names.) > > And some questions/topics... > > 1. I've heard that there is one version of Livemiles with 7 or 8 > > tracks. Do > > any of you know anything about that? > >The original Jive/Electro and Caroline CD'S were indexed into 7 tracks (4 >for the >Albequerque and 3 for West Berlin). It's the same music as later releases, >though. > I'm primarily interested about the track titles. My Dream Roots Collection says that the first fifth of the Albuquerque Concert is the title track and the last one is 'San Buena Ventura'. But that's about all I kknow about the subject. > > 3. What's the last name of the 2nd Klaus, Kruger or Krieger? I > > know several > > sources claiming one and several claiming it's the other. > >Depends -- in the 70's, it was Krieger. All references I have after >1980 (including his aborted 1992 tour appearance) list him as Kruger. > So he changed his name? Or were there two of them? Or perhaps a change in the translitteration, if he's really Krüger? Oh, and one thing I forgot: Just what do 'barbakane' and 'cahuenga' mean? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 5:56 am Subject: >This is the madness that happens when we turn a blind eye to the suffering in the world and continue live our lives like we are all there is.< I suppose U.S. aid in disasters beyond our borders is turning a 'blind eye'. '@#$%^&*!' --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Matthew Stringer Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 9:50 am Subject: This world has gone totally fugazi! My thoughts are with those affected by yesterdays events. May you have strength. Matt From: rubyconist@y... Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:15 am Subject: Re: Hello etc. --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > Hi, I just joined this group. I'm 16, male and Finnish. > > My first encounter with Tangerine Dream was Stratosfear(only the title > track) at the age of 5. I did like that, but my next one was quite a bit > later. I was 12 and a fan of Jean Michel Jarre by then. My father then > recommended Exit to me. I was initially hooked. My discography so far > includes: > > Full albums: > > Alpha Centauri > Zeit > Atem > --- > Rubycon > Ricochet (part 2 is my favorite TD piece) > Stratosfear > Soundmill Navigator > Encore(newest addition) > Force Majeure > Pergamon > Tangram > Exit > Logos > Hyperborea > --- > Firestarter > Poland (my favorite album) > Le Parc > Underwater Sunlight > Livemiles > --- > Melrose > --- > 220 Volt > Goblin's Club > --- > Mars Polaris > > Other stuff: > > The Dream Roots Collection > Tangerine Dream (the version with Phaedra; that's a pretty confusing name > for a collection...) > A cassette sampler, which has some material from the 70-80 box set > The Poland-shaped version of the Warsaw In The Sun single > > And some questions/topics... > > 1. I've heard that there is one version of Livemiles with 7 or 8 tracks. Do > any of you know anything about that? > > 2. Isn't the final fadeout of Song Of The Whale borrowed from Kiew Mission? > > 3. What's the last name of the 2nd Klaus, Kruger or Krieger? I know several > sources claiming one and several claiming it's the other. > > 4. I have the Dream Roots Collection; is there a point buying Green Desert & > Tyger? > > John Vertical > So, you are here too? Welcome to the madhouse. Talk to you later. Regards, TheInfection From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 11:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Hello etc. > >So, you are here too? Welcome to the madhouse. Talk to you later. > >Regards, >TheInfection > > No eikös siltä näytä. Arvasinkin, että sinäkin olisit täällä, kun kerran mainostit paikkaa. Though I like Madhouse 2 better. (Don't ask.) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29046 Re: Hello etc. Lasse Gustafsson Wed 9/12/2001 2 KB 29047 Definitely NOT a funny joke anymore.. Lasse Gustafsson Wed 9/12/2001 2 KB From: tweibre361@a... Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 11:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1035 Save your feelings for later people...Right now NYC needs blood! Please donate! tom w in NYC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 11:27 am Subject: Krüger, Cahuenga and the tragic events of yesterday The proper spelling of Klaus Krüger's last name is 'Krüger'. He told us so himself once! Cahuenga is a street in Los Angeles that takes you on a downward slope right into Hollywood. So the title 'Rolling Down Cahuenga' is quite appropriate! I wish to thank all non-US residents for their kind words regarding the terrorist attacks of yesterday. This is indeed one of the worst days in American history. As for the immediate future, I think the US should evacuate its embassy in Kabul, if it has one there. Sincerely, Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 12:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Hello etc. > Oh, and one thing I forgot: Just what do 'barbakane' and 'cahuenga' mean? The barbakane is a kind of medieval fortification building. It was an en=trance to the city We have one in Warsaw and in Krakow in Poland. The Station _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 12:34 pm Subject: OT: Schocked My deepest sympathy for the american people. Heiko Neumann Germany www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 2:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Krüger, Cahuenga and the tragic events of yesterday >The proper spelling of Klaus Krüger's last name is 'Krüger'. He told us so >himself once! > Ha! I guessed that! >Cahuenga is a street in Los Angeles that takes you on a downward slope >right >into Hollywood. So the title 'Rolling Down Cahuenga' is quite appropriate! > Okay... >I wish to thank all non-US residents for their kind words regarding the >terrorist attacks of yesterday. This is indeed one of the worst days in >American history. As for the immediate future, I think the US should >evacuate its embassy in Kabul, if it has one there. > I don't think that, *if* it's Afghanistan behind this, they'll be stupid enough to start advertizing 'we did it, we did it' that openly. >>Oh, and one thing I forgot: Just what do 'barbakane' and 'cahuenga' mean? > >The barbakane is a kind of medieval fortification building. It was an >entrance to the city >We have one in Warsaw and in Krakow in Poland. > >The Station Alright. These two simply were the only ones which haven't been in any TDictionary I've seen. Thanks to both. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: mike browder Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 2:12 am Subject: We Will Remember This Day Two nice pictures of the World Trade Center, the way it was. Follow the link, and click mail attachments. http://photos.yahoo.com/mikebrowder mike 'spawnofcthulhu' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From: syldolu@v... Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:43 am Subject: Klaus Schulze and Ashra bootlegs Hello to every TD fan. Do anyone have a Ashra bootleg recorded in France's Bataclan in 76 or 77? Is such a bootleg exist? Also,i heard that there are Klaus Schulze bootlegs from 1974 area. Is it possible? I have 1 from 72 and 75,and lot of others, but none from 74 area. If someone has info about those,please contact me. We may arrange a trade. Finally, i join my words to others and condam that attack against my neighborgs from New-York. Here in Québec, people are sad and angry about that stupid and conward move. If there is a God, and he has hands, may those fall on the heads of those barbarians! Sorry for my english... Sylvain A TD fan for long and for ever http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 3:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Hello etc. Hi John and welcome. For someone of a tender age, you've got well developed musical taste. 8-) I take it from your TD collection that I would venture to guess that you surely would like Green Desert. I was pleasantly surprised by it! I know that there are others here who would agree with me. From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:51 PM Subject: [tadream] Hello etc. > Hi, I just joined this group. I'm 16, male and Finnish. > > My first encounter with Tangerine Dream was Stratosfear(only the title > track) at the age of 5. I did like that, but my next one was quite a bit > later. I was 12 and a fan of Jean Michel Jarre by then. My father then > recommended Exit to me. I was initially hooked. My discography so far > includes: > > Full albums: > > Alpha Centauri > Zeit > Atem > --- > Rubycon > Ricochet (part 2 is my favorite TD piece) > Stratosfear > Soundmill Navigator > Encore(newest addition) > Force Majeure > Pergamon > Tangram > Exit > Logos > Hyperborea > --- > Firestarter > Poland (my favorite album) > Le Parc > Underwater Sunlight > Livemiles > --- > Melrose > --- > 220 Volt > Goblin's Club > --- > Mars Polaris > > Other stuff: > > The Dream Roots Collection > Tangerine Dream (the version with Phaedra; that's a pretty confusing name > for a collection...) > A cassette sampler, which has some material from the 70-80 box set > The Poland-shaped version of the Warsaw In The Sun single > > And some questions/topics... > > 1. I've heard that there is one version of Livemiles with 7 or 8 tracks. Do > any of you know anything about that? > > 2. Isn't the final fadeout of Song Of The Whale borrowed from Kiew Mission? > > 3. What's the last name of the 2nd Klaus, Kruger or Krieger? I know several > sources claiming one and several claiming it's the other. > > 4. I have the Dream Roots Collection; is there a point buying Green Desert & > Tyger? > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 3:45 pm Subject: OT Hi, all regards to all Americans from me, too. I use to slag you folks and your patriotism always a little. But for the last 24 hours or so I feel very american. What a stupid coincidence that I was drinking tea yesterday out of a mug I bought in the souvenir shop on top of the WTC 6 years ago while I got the news. Hope the responsibles will be tracked down soon, the WTC at least will be re-build, and NYC will continue to rock - its just such a marvellous place. I have a flight on Saturday to Hawaii via Atlanta and LA. Wonder whether it will happen. But what the hell. That isn't important at all. armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29045 Re: OT Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 9/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 4:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Check with your travel carrier.. nada in the sky but military and known relief planes. I don't think air traffic will be on time for a few weeks once it restarts. I would expect some interesting baggage folks poking around. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:45 AM Subject: [tadream] OT > I have a flight on Saturday to Hawaii via Atlanta and LA. Wonder > whether it will happen. But what the hell. That isn't important at > all. From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Hello etc. Eikö noilta hulluilta suomalaisilta saa missään olla rauhassa? http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm -- -------------------------------- There is many ways to do things. Only two of those are similar: My way and the Right way. ---------------------- © LG(at)iki.fi Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29047 Definitely NOT a funny joke anymore.. Lasse Gustafsson Wed 9/12/2001 2 KB From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 4:20 pm Subject: Definitely NOT a funny joke anymore.. I think these girlies will not get a very good publicity for now on with this kind of record covers... http://www.girlieaction.com/coup/coup-index.html From: moxica@m... Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 4:09 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] Hello etc. >I'm primarily interested about the track titles. My Dream Roots >Collection >says that the first fifth of the Albuquerque Concert is the title >track and >the last one is 'San Buena Ventura'. But that's about all I kknow >about the >subject. I think there were titles assigned to other segments ('Sunnyvale', etc.), but I can't remember the correlation at the moment -- anyone, anyone? - jim From: moxica@m... Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 4:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Terror N.Y./ D.C. > This is the madness that happens when we turn a blind eye to the suffering in the world and continue live our Paul, I would thank you to not post political commentary on this list; this is not the forum for it. Thanks. - jim From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 5:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Terror N.Y./ D.C. I agree with the political comments being left out. I am sure it is hard not to add these but for this list, it would be more suitable to stick to the topic. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Terror N.Y./ D.C. > > This is the madness that happens when we turn a blind > eye to the suffering in the world and continue live > our > > Paul, > > I would thank you to not post political commentary on this > list; this is not the forum for it. > > Thanks. > > - jim From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 4:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Hello etc. >Eikö noilta hulluilta suomalaisilta saa missään olla rauhassa? > >http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm > Voisit kokeilla vaikka jakinsatuloden korjaamisoppaitten keräilijät - ryhmää... And that site is plagiated. The original is at 1112.net/lastpage.html John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Hello etc. >Hi John and welcome. For someone of a tender age, you've got well developed >musical taste. 8-) I take it from your TD collection that I would >venture >to guess that you surely would like Green Desert. I was pleasantly >surprised >by it! I know that there are others here who would agree with me. > I already have about 2/3 of it in my Dream Roots Collection, and I really like it... someone (hey, you can't expect me to remember all the names immediately) said that that there's not much left I wouldn't have. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 5:30 pm Subject: merchandise at this year's TD concerts Could someone please break down the prices of merchandise from this year's TD concerts? Indigenous currencies are fine, unless you can convert them to US dollars, or I can convert using http://msn.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?qscr=curc&&zz=1000314906300& how much are: T-shirts = CDs = posters = etc. = Trying to budget out what can be bought at the shows this year... Thanks, Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29145 Re: merchandise at this year's TD concerts Joe Shoults Wed 9/19/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 5:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Hello etc. shoobeedoo wopwop hoola boola do the watusi > -----Original Message----- > From: Lasse Gustafsson [mailto:lg@t...] ... > Eikö noilta hulluilta suomalaisilta saa missään olla rauhassa? > > http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm > > -- From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 5:52 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Terror N.Y./ D.C. Quite right, but actually, our list has been relatively quiet about yesterday's events. I think this is a reflection of the maturity of our members. If you absolutely MUST post references to the 9/11 tragedy, plesae do it within the context of how it affected you personally (Al Benson gave us a great example as he always does), and do not turn it into a debate. I am personally trying not to think about it in order to maintain focus on the rest of my already-hectic life. It is tragic; it has passed (hopefully); let's move on. Joe P.S. click here for a list of lists that are more appropriate for your discussion: http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=terrorist > -----Original Message----- > >>> This is the madness that happens when we turn a blind > >>>eye to the suffering in the world and continue live > >>>our ... > I would thank you to not post political commentary on this > list; this is not the forum for it. > From: moxica@m... Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 6:36 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Hello etc. tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Oh, and one thing I forgot: Just what do 'barbakane' and 'cahuenga' mean? >The barbakane is a kind of medieval fortification building. It was an >en=trance to the city >We have one in Warsaw and in Krakow in Poland. Just had to work the Schulze reference in, didn't you? Haha! - jim _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 7:51 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Hello etc. > Just had to work the Schulze reference in, didn't you? Haha! > > - jim At last somebody noticed it :)) Station_M (big KS fan too) -- Global Meditation will be the Global Medication _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Scott' Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 7:02 pm Subject: Tuesday That until that day The dream of lasting peace World citizenship Rule of international morality Will remain in but a fleeting illusion to be pursued, But never attained - Now everywhere is war. -Robert Nesta Marley Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29062 Re: New York/Pentagon chris towers Thu 9/13/2001 2 KB From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: OT - Terror NYDC I know this mailing list may not be the place for it but I just can not think of anything else since yesterday. All my thoughts go to all our american friends. This concerns us all. Peace. Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 9:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Barbakane The usual English spelling is barbican. What is meant is the first bastion of a castle after the moat, normally two strong towers on either side of a portcullis, archway or drawbridge. Actually, just double-checking this in the Oxford dictionary, it mentions that the word is derived from the French 'barbacane', which I suppose is close enough to TD's version. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Michal Moroz' To: Sent: 12 September 2001 13:05 Subject: Re: [tadream] Hello etc. > > Oh, and one thing I forgot: Just what do 'barbakane' and 'cahuenga' mean? > > The barbakane is a kind of medieval fortification building. It was an > en=trance to the city > We have one in Warsaw and in Krakow in Poland. > > The Station > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Winston Edmond Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 9:43 pm Subject: blood banks full tweibre361@a... wrote: > Save your feelings for later people...Right now NYC needs blood! > Please donate! Make that: please donate 2-3 weeks from now... TV news says the Red Cross announced this afternoon that there've been so many donors across the country that the blood banks are now filled to capacity. They ask that those wishing to donate come back in a couple of weeks. -WBE From: chris towers Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 5:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New York/Pentagon Hello All, and forgive me if this email comes across as somewhat selfish and arrogant, but i assure it is not meant too. All the happenings in the last few days in New York and other places is a tragedy, sickening and disgusting, yes i agree. I myself am a firefighter and feel for those with families and friends lost. But please, lets just remember it for what has happened and have thoughts for those involved. But again as mentioned, The TD mailing list is not the place to be airing your views. Im sure there are designated sites for this. I appreciate this might get a few peoples backs up thinking im cold hearted. Im not, im just as devestated as im sure many or all of you are, but its nothing to do with Tangerine Dream. Hope this makes sense. Sorry if anyone is upset by this, its not my intention. Regards to all of you Chris __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From: Jens Kilian Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 6:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1036 > From: Joe Shoults > Subject: RE: Re: Hello etc. > > shoobeedoo wopwop hoola boola do the watusi > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lasse Gustafsson [mailto:lg@t...] > ... > > Eikö noilta hulluilta suomalaisilta saa missään olla rauhassa? I hope this spate of Finnish messages wasn't started by myself, mentioning Värttinä :-) Bye, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29064 Re: Digest Number 1036 John Vertical Thu 9/13/2001 2 KB 29065 Re: Digest Number 1036 Synthhtnys@a... Thu 9/13/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 8:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1036 > > > > shoobeedoo wopwop hoola boola do the watusi > > ...I hope the writer of this isn't thinking he can write something alike Finnish? > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lasse Gustafsson [mailto:lg@t...] > > ... > > > Eikö noilta hulluilta suomalaisilta saa missään olla rauhassa? > >I hope this spate of Finnish messages wasn't started by myself, mentioning >Värttinä :-) > >Bye, > Jens. >-- No, it was because another new Finn here, me. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 9:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1036 > > shoobeedoo wopwop hoola boola do the watusi > > ...I hope the writer of this isn't thinking he can write something alike Finnish? *More like rock/doowopish [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 5:25 pm Subject: [tadream] US tour Hi all, Having just updated my TD site with all the planned US tour dates in October/November, I was wondering if anyone knew if any of these dates have now been cancelled due to you know what which is now a taboo subject on the list... Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29067 Re: US tour Alan Benson Thu 9/13/2001 3 KB 29069 Re: US tour + a personal note Steve Yensen Thu 9/13/2001 3 KB 29074 Re: A Moratorium on Posting to Tadream James E. Jacoby Fri 9/14/2001 3 KB From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] US tour Well, the last update on the TDI website was September 3rd. I'm sure this is being considered as we speak and TD will make the appropriate announcement when they are ready. The first date at the Orbit in Boynton Beach, Florida is just a mere twenty- nine days away on the October 13th. The policy at the moment and this coming directly from the Federal Aviation Administration, Re: International incoming air flights, have all been temporarily ceased momentarily. See the URL: http://faa.gov/ That too will have to resolve itself before we can determine if and when it's even possible. The Department of Transportation has also made some last minute changes re: internal air travel both public and corporate. Also, many of our major airports are still closed down and if they are open have only limited service at this time. I'm sure that all of this will be resolved in good time. So, taking all of that into account what I do sincerely hope is that Tangerine Dream will make it to our shores if and when they can. We've waited a very long time collectively for a TD tour to once again grace these shores... We can certainly wait just a little bit longer. ;-) Best Regards, -- Al (Berkeley, CA / USA) My TD personal homepage: http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html ______________________________ Paul wrote: > Hi all, > > Having just updated my TD site with all the planned US > tour dates in October/November, I was wondering if > anyone knew if any of these dates have now been > cancelled due to you know what which is now a taboo > subject on the list... > > Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 12:17 pm Subject: OT: somnabulistic hoolaboola you mean that wasn't Finnish I wrote? ;-P > -----Original Message----- > From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] > > > > > > shoobeedoo wopwop hoola boola do the watusi > > > > > ...I hope the writer of this isn't thinking he can write > something alike Finnish? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Lasse Gustafsson [mailto:lg@t...] > > > ... > > > > Eikö noilta hulluilta suomalaisilta saa missään olla rauhassa? > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29071 Re: OT: somnabulistic hoolaboola PENFOLD Fri 9/14/2001 3 KB 29084 Re: OT: somnabulistic hoolaboola Joe Shoults Fri 9/14/2001 4 KB From: 'Steve Yensen' Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 10:07 pm Subject: Re: US tour + a personal note I have to de-lurk for a moment ... Thanks Paul for that observation. As posts to the list have pretty well dried up since Chris's post, IMHO it follows that most human beings on this list (who have feelings) have been unable to post their reactions. To me, talking about TD right now is somehow inappropriate and disrespectful ... I don't agree that talking about something that has touched us all is 'taboo'. Sorry Chris, I agree with you in principle but we are all friends here and talking about it is important. And yes, if I were Edgar, I would be thinking very carefully right now. No disrespect to the fans, but some things are much more important. All IMHO of course. 'Take what you like and leave the rest'. God bless all of you, especially those who have been touched personally by this outrage. Steve. np: Dick Hyman - the Minotaur --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > Hi all, > > Having just updated my TD site with all the planned US tour dates in > October/November, I was wondering if anyone knew if any of these dates have > now been cancelled due to you know what which is now a taboo subject on the > list... > > Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29074 Re: A Moratorium on Posting to Tadream James E. Jacoby Fri 9/14/2001 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 8:37 pm Subject: RE: US TOUR TD in the US is a month away today. I'd imagine from the way the tour looks that they'll be traveling by bus--so except for the initial entry into the US they shouldn't have too many hassles. And we shouldn't be too concerned about the gear, since it can handle a 3 story fall :) --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29075 Re: US TOUR vic rek Fri 9/14/2001 3 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 10:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: somnabulistic hoolaboola Nope, but just for Being Silly's Sake, here's the same post run through a Eudora Plug-in that emulates the Swedish Chef It 01.09.13 08:17, Jooe-a-a Shoouults froote-a-a: yoouu meoon zeet fesn't Feenneesh I froote-a-a? ;-P > -----Ooureegeenel Messege-a-a----- > Froom: Joohn Ferteecel [meeeltoo:joohnfferteecel@h...] > > > > > > shoooobeedoooo foopfoop hoooola boooola doo zee-a fetuusee-a > > > > > ...I hoope-a-a zee-a freeter oouffff zeees isn't zeeenkeeng he-a-a coon freete-a-a > soomezeeeng ileeke-a-a Feenneesh? > > > > > -----Ooureegeenel Messege-a-a----- > > > > Froom: Lesse-a-a Guusteffffssoon [meeeltoo:lg@t...] > > > ... > > > > Ieekö nooeelta huulluueelta suuoomeleeeseelta sea meessään ooulla ruuhessa? > > ----------------------------------------------------_- Too unsuubscreebe-a-a: meeeltoo:tedreem-unsuubscreebe-a-a@y... ----------------------------------------------------_- Foont too deescuuss a speceeffffeec Ilbuum, cooncert oour booootleg? Goo too http://fff.tedreem.net under 'Muuseec Reffeeuus' foor instruucshoons! Yoouur use-a-a oouffff Yehoooo! Groouups is suubject too http://doocs.yehoooo.coom/inffffoo/terms/ Stop me when I'm being Silly Pete aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: BRUCE@F... Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 10:53 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze I've got a few albums by Klaus Schulze: X 1&2 Trancefer Picture Music Best of (72-93) Beyond Recall and Mirage What do you think are the best albums by Klaus Schulze to get and what are the ones to avoid. I'm a relative newcomer to German electronica. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29077 Re: Klaus Schulze rubyconist@y... Fri 9/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 11:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: US tour + a personal note Not so much taboo but the political interjections to misunderstanding on events that are not true.. is the thoughts I got for some comments posted. I fully agree with this list being used for TD discussions. I also agree that some might have other insight to offer in current affairs. I just know that if the current affairs are allowed to be posted on this list, the list looses value to the discussions of TD. Like yourself, I can't ponder TD right now. I hope the concerts go as planned but I for one, who has lived in Europe and Middle East, will be always alert to the knowledge that things beyond my control might happen. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Steve Yensen' To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: US tour + a personal note > I have to de-lurk for a moment ... > > Thanks Paul for that observation. As posts to the list have pretty > well dried up since Chris's post, IMHO it follows that most human > beings on this list (who have feelings) have been unable to post > their reactions. To me, talking about TD right now is somehow > inappropriate and disrespectful ... > > I don't agree that talking about something that has touched us all > is 'taboo'. Sorry Chris, I agree with you in principle but we are > all friends here and talking about it is important. > > And yes, if I were Edgar, I would be thinking very carefully right > now. No disrespect to the fans, but some things are much more > important. > > All IMHO of course. 'Take what you like and leave the rest'. > > God bless all of you, especially those who have been touched > personally by this outrage. > > Steve. > np: Dick Hyman - the Minotaur > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Having just updated my TD site with all the planned US tour dates in > > October/November, I was wondering if anyone knew if any of these > dates have > > now been cancelled due to you know what which is now a taboo > subject on the > > list... > > > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 12:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A Moratorium on Posting to Tadream --- Steve Yensen wrote: > I have to de-lurk for a moment ... > > Thanks Paul for that observation. As posts to the list have pretty > > well dried up since Chris's post, IMHO it follows that most human > beings on this list (who have feelings) have been unable to post > their reactions. To me, talking about TD right now is somehow > inappropriate and disrespectful ... I absolutely agree. It takes a hell of a lot of insensitive gall to censure someone for posting about his/her grief or sympathy at a time like this. I think now is the time for exception, and if some of you can't handle that, then fine. I vote for a moratorium on ALL conversation, including TD-related, until Monday, out of respect for those fallen, those who are grieving the fallen, and those who are risking their lives to help. Those of you who want to reach out to other list members in time of grief will have to do so privately. Those of you who are too dipshitted to be willing to suffer through posts of a grief-related or sympathetic-related nature will get your way. Just remember how you let down some of us who just wanted to vent rage and frustration amongst comrades and friends. My private e-mail is galador@y... I will be at the show in Boynton Beach and again in Atlanta and would love to help plan some kind of Boynton get-together. James __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From: vic rek Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 2:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: US TOUR Jerome told me that they are only taking 3 flights in the US and the rest will be by bus. He told me exactly which legs of the tour they were, but I can not recall at the moment. tei waz wrote: > TD in the US is a month away today. I'd imagine from the way the tour looks > that they'll be traveling by bus--so except for the initial entry into the > US they shouldn't have too many hassles. And we shouldn't be too concerned > about the gear, since it can handle a 3 story fall :) > > --T > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'simon heath' Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 4:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze >What do you think are the best albums by Klaus Schulze to get and >what are the ones to avoid. it depends on what you like.He generally evolves his musical style and releases similar albums at the same time.Most of your list is in the 1974-81 range, so if you like them, stick to releases from those dates.I certainly would. Concentrate on the 75-77 era...Moondawn,Timewind, Body Love(vol2), ...Live... People seem to like Dig It All( but I don't) .Or splash out on the Historic Edition. IMHO avoid 1982-86 releases. If you like Beyond Recall , then Royal Festival Hall vol1&2, and the Dome Event are (very)similar(perhaps too similar. He's never afraid of repeating himself). www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath -----Original Message----- From: BRUCE@F... To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 14 September 2001 04:44 Subject: [tadream] Klaus Schulze >I've got a few albums by Klaus Schulze: > >X 1&2 >Trancefer >Picture Music >Best of (72-93) >and >Mirage > > >I'm a relative newcomer to German electronica. > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: rubyconist@y... Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 7:49 am Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze --- In tadream@y..., BRUCE@F... wrote: > I've got a few albums by Klaus Schulze: > > X 1&2 > Trancefer > Picture Music > Best of (72-93) > Beyond Recall and > Mirage > > What do you think are the best albums by Klaus Schulze to get and > what are the ones to avoid. > > I'm a relative newcomer to German electronica. My friend bought Moondawn and it's a great start as far as I know. I will buy Schulze's albums in the near future very much (alongside with TD, of coure). So I wouldn't mind if someone would share some tought and would give us a short reviews about the subject. Regards, TheInfection From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 1:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer Tangentized means 'changed from the original' which usually means it has been added to with modern instruments. Many here would have you believe that this is an evil thing; but in many cases it has meant a more professional release rounding out beginnings and endings to create a quality not available in the first creation. 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: john@p... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer >Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 20:04:48 -0000 > >--- In tadream@y..., BRUCE@F... wrote: > > > I'm a TD newbie. What does 'tangentized' mean? > >Ruined, usually. > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to >http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 9:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze > I've got a few albums by Klaus Schulze: > > X 1&2 > Trancefer > Picture Music > Best of (72-93) > Beyond Recall and > Mirage > > What do you think are the best albums by Klaus Schulze to get and > what are the ones to avoid. > > I'm a relative newcomer to German electronica. I recommend the Dziekuje, Poland 2cd Concert and the studio version of part of it Audentity. I also like En=Trance, Live, Moondawn, Dig It and a collaboration with the Shrieve brothers (not Mark Shreeve from Redshift) on the marvelous though a bit short album Transfer Station Blue Well and there still are the boxes Jubilee and Historic Edition :) If you want to hear new Schulze you can try the 10 cd boxes Silver Edition or Contemporary Works - some of it is strange, i thought of a crazy opera when I heard it, but cd's like CW 5 - VS Solar Moon Docking are masterpieces Of new KS I also like a collaboration with Pete Namlook called The Dark Side of the Moog series (having only 2 cd's from it yet) Number 8 is a live concert - great Well some people say that not be recommended is Aphrica although it is a rarity today :) Greets from a Klaus Schulze fan Station Mir -- Global Meditation will be the Global Medication _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Thomas' Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 10:36 am Subject: Re: US Tour Hello, had to step in here. Not normally contributing much to this list, I have something to say. I think in these times of exceptional circumstances, we should not try to make rules or ban certain subjects. I think it's a time when we need to be sensitive in picking up on other people's needs, and try to help the best way we can. We all have to help out in tackling this situation, and if somebody is helped by writing to the list, or comforted by someone else expressing their feelings and grief here, then what's the harm?! All must contribute, and all must understand, to the best of their ability. Fellow human beings hurt, and when it comes down to it, I don't think a whole lot of us care about 'purity' on this list during these trying times. Be tolerant, be understanding, be forgiving, show respect and help those in need and pain. It's not time to judge, it's time to embrace. We all deal with pain and grief in different ways. Some like to not talk about it, others do like to express themselves. There is no right or wrong way. Best regards, Thomas Bertilsson Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29081 Re: US Tour j.gordon Fri 9/14/2001 3 KB 29091 Re: US Tour PERGAMON Fri 9/14/2001 4 KB 29101 Re: US Tour Alan Benson Sat 9/15/2001 4 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 11:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: US Tour very well said, thomas... very well said... j.gordon --- Thomas wrote: > Hello, > > had to step in here. Not normally contributing much to this list, I have > something to say. > > I think in these times of exceptional circumstances, we should not try to > make rules or ban certain subjects. I think it's a time when we need to be > sensitive in picking up on other people's needs, and try to help the best way > we can. We all have to help out in tackling this situation, and if somebody > is helped by writing to the list, or comforted by someone else expressing > their feelings and grief here, then what's the harm?! > > All must contribute, and all must understand, to the best of their ability. > Fellow human beings hurt, and when it comes down to it, I don't think a whole > lot of us care about 'purity' on this list during these trying times. > > Be tolerant, be understanding, be forgiving, show respect and help those in > need and pain. It's not time to judge, it's time to embrace. We all deal with > pain and grief in different ways. Some like to not talk about it, others do > like to express themselves. There is no right or wrong way. > > Best regards, > > Thomas Bertilsson > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From: moxica@m... Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 12:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Klaus Schulze >From: BRUCE@F... >What do you think are the best albums by Klaus Schulze to get and >what are the ones to avoid. My favorites are Audentity, X, and Blackdance. I didn't much care for Dune and Dig it. - jim From: moxica@m... Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 1:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A Moratorium on Posting to Tadream >From: 'James E. Jacoby' >I absolutely agree. It takes a hell of a lot of insensitive gall to >censure someone for posting about his/her grief or sympathy at a time >like this. If my posting was received as such, then I apologize for the misunderstanding. My intent was that I didn't think it was appropriate for someone to start political rants (towards one side or another) on this list, especially those based on limited information. I have no problems with anyone posting their sympathies or respects. >Those of you who are too dipshitted to be willing to suffer through >posts of a grief-related or sympathetic-related nature will get your >way. Just remember how you let down some of us who just wanted to >vent rage and frustration amongst comrades and friends. This is a little extreme, wouldn't you think. I don't recall anyone wanting a ban on the good wishes and thoughts presented here. But this is not the place for saying that 'President X sucks' or that we should bomb the stuffing out of so and so. First of all, we have a wide mix of nationalities, political-leanings, and personalities on this list. It would be too easy for such statements to escalate. Secondly, this is a rather narrow musical-discussion forum anyway. I have very strong opinions about the recent events and what I think should be done, but I'm not going to post them here, it would just be counter-productive. From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 4:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: somnabulistic hoolaboola LOL! > -----Original Message----- > From: PENFOLD [mailto:penfold@a...] > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:40 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: somnabulistic hoolaboola > > > Nope, but just for Being Silly's Sake, here's the > same post run > through a Eudora Plug-in that emulates the Swedish Chef > > > It 01.09.13 08:17, Jooe-a-a Shoouults froote-a-a: > yoouu meoon zeet fesn't Feenneesh I froote-a-a? ;-P > > > > > -----Ooureegeenel Messege-a-a----- > > Froom: Joohn Ferteecel [meeeltoo:joohnfferteecel@h...] > > > > > > > > shoooobeedoooo foopfoop hoooola boooola doo zee-a fetuusee-a > > > > > > > > ...I hoope-a-a zee-a freeter oouffff zeees isn't > zeeenkeeng he-a-a coon > freete-a-a > > soomezeeeng ileeke-a-a Feenneesh? > > > > > > > -----Ooureegeenel Messege-a-a----- > > > > > Froom: Lesse-a-a Guusteffffssoon [meeeltoo:lg@t...] > > > > ... > > > > > Ieekö nooeelta huulluueelta suuoomeleeeseelta sea > meessään ooulla > ruuhessa? > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Too unsuubscreebe-a-a: > meeeltoo:tedreem-unsuubscreebe-a-a@y... > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Foont too deescuuss a speceeffffeec Ilbuum, cooncert oour > booootleg? Goo > too http://fff.tedreem.net under 'Muuseec Reffeeuus' foor > instruucshoons! > > Yoouur use-a-a oouffff Yehoooo! Groouups is suubject too > http://doocs.yehoooo.coom/inffffoo/terms/ > > > Stop me when I'm being Silly > > > Pete > aka > DJ Dreamhead > mailto:penfold@a... > > Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my > hands, didn't have > the money.....Damn!!!!! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 1:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Klaus Schulze >From: BRUCE@F... >What do you think are the best albums by Klaus Schulze to get and >what are the ones to avoid. My favorites are Dune (part one), Moondawn, Timewind, Body Love I, and the Darkside of the Moon serie. Bert From: Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 2:30 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] Klaus Schulze > From: BRUCE@F... > What do you think are the best albums by Klaus Schulze to > get My favorites are Picture Music Timewind Moondawn Bodylove 1 Bodylove 2 Mirage X Dune Live En-Trance Some of the Silver Edition (mainly disc 3) The Historic Edition The Jubilee Edition Are You Sequenced Dosburg on line Contemporary works (especially the first 4 discs) and both the recent Klangart albums Hope you have plenty of spare cash ;-) Nick Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze -----Original Message----- From: BRUCE@F... >I've got a few albums by Klaus Schulze: [snip] >What do you think are the best albums by Klaus Schulze to get and >what are the ones to avoid. I plan to play a track from a vinyl LP of Body Love Volume II on my next program. Would anyone care to recommend which cut I should play? Cheers, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze I plan to play a track from a vinyl LP of Body Love Volume II on my next program. Would anyone care to recommend which cut I should play? Cheers, Bill billfox@f... *Moogetique is a classic... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:27 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze From: 'Bill Fox' > I plan to play a track from a vinyl LP of Body Love >Volume II on my next program. Would anyone care to > recommend which cut I should play? Bill, it's got to be Nowhere Nowhere !! imo :-) Nick Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 9:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze I recently got the Ultimate collection and I am now toying with buying Contemporary works. Any reviews or advice on this set will be appreciated Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29096 Re: Klaus Schulze Robert Grabowsky Sat 9/15/2001 2 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: US Tour Hi all Couldn't agree more............................. My thoughts goes to everyone affected by the recent events...................... Jan > --- Thomas wrote: > > Hello, > > > > had to step in here. Not normally contributing much to this list, I have > > something to say. > > > > I think in these times of exceptional circumstances, we should not try to > > make rules or ban certain subjects. I think it's a time when we need to be > > sensitive in picking up on other people's needs, and try to help the best way > > we can. We all have to help out in tackling this situation, and if somebody > > is helped by writing to the list, or comforted by someone else expressing > > their feelings and grief here, then what's the harm?! > > > > All must contribute, and all must understand, to the best of their ability. > > Fellow human beings hurt, and when it comes down to it, I don't think a whole > > lot of us care about 'purity' on this list during these trying times. > > > > Be tolerant, be understanding, be forgiving, show respect and help those in > > need and pain. It's not time to judge, it's time to embrace. We all deal with > > pain and grief in different ways. Some like to not talk about it, others do > > like to express themselves. There is no right or wrong way. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Thomas Bertilsson > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? > Donate cash, emergency relief information > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 10:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Bill Fox asked > I plan to play a track from a vinyl LP of Body Love Volume II on my next > program. Would anyone care to recommend which cut I should play? Seeing as my last reply to this disappeared into a large blackhole somewhere in cyberspace, here it is again ..... Nowhere Nowhere............Schulze at his ultimate best imo...... Nick NP Jade Warrior / Released Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... ICQ 44174543 From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 10:44 pm Subject: re US Tour >Jerome told me that they are only taking 3 flights in the US and the rest >will be by bus. He told me exactly which legs of the tour they were, but I can not recall at the moment.< from the itinerary i'd guess atlanta to ny minneapolis to denver denver to sf --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29103 Re: re US Tour vic rek Sat 9/15/2001 2 KB 29113 Buffalo Michael A Jean Sun 9/16/2001 3 KB From: Thenite0wl@a... Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 10:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Hi, all... Bill, ..from memory.. (as I am a few miles from my collection as I type this, ) is ' Stardancer' on that one...?? If so, that would be my choice.... If I've screwed up and theres no such track- at all -on any, then apologies to all, and someone please direct me to the nearest nuthouse...... Regards, Paul.. From: Thenite0wl@a... Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 11:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Me again, so sooon.. Even if I'm wrong on that one, .I've just remembered how damn good Nick and Poly's recommondation's are... Come on Bill.. give your listeners a special treat..... Play the whole album. Regards, Paul.. From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 3:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Derek and all Schulze Fans, Go ahead and get the Contemporary Works set. There is alot of very good music in the set and alot of different stuff too. You will not be disappointed. THE HIGHLANDER (Who owns all of the Klaus Schulze releases to date) At 05:12 PM 9/14/01 EDT, you wrote: >I recently got the Ultimate collection and I am now toying with buying >Contemporary works. >Any reviews or advice on this set will be appreciated >Derek From: 'simon heath' Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 5:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze >I plan to play a track from a vinyl LP of Body Love Volume II Stardancer II on vinyl - you will then appreciate CDs over vinyl all the more.My vinyl copy had about 5 minutes of crackling on the opening quiet bit. While Schulze has come up, can anyone help me with other artists who fulfill the Schulze vision?Is there a Mirage from anyone else? from another mail >Derek and all Schulze Fans, >Go ahead and get the Contemporary Works set. I have never seen so many bad reviews of a release from dedicated fans (on the KS circle) as this one.It persuaded me to not buy it.There was a barage of criticism against it, due to its' alleged lack of original material. www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 6:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze << >Go ahead and get the Contemporary Works set. I have never seen so many bad reviews of a release from dedicated fans (on the KS circle) as this one.It persuaded me to not buy it.There was a barage of criticism against it, due to its' alleged lack of original material. simonheath >> *Are you serious???? I think it's the best thing he's done in a LOOOONG time... Most of the people I've talked to do too... Also Keyboard magazine which is usually pretty critical towards him gave it a thumbs up... I think it's a return to the classic '70's visionary style Poly From: 'simon heath' Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 9:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze >*Are you serious???? I think it's the best thing he's done in a LOOOONG >time.. that is a ringing endorsement.If it is really a return to the classic '70's visionary style then I must check it out! As I say, I don't own it ,having been put off by the circle reactions and by the reviews published on the official website(though I can only read the English ones) which are pretty mixed.Are they unduly negetive then?If it's as good as you say, I'll reach for my credit card. .http://www.klaus-schulze.com/disco/7a02cop.htm www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath -----Original Message----- From: Synthhtnys@a... To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 15 September 2001 07:43 Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze ><< >Go ahead and get the Contemporary Works set. > I have never seen so many bad reviews of a release from dedicated fans (on > the KS circle) as this one.It persuaded me to not buy it.There was a barage > of criticism against it, due to its' alleged lack of original material. > simonheath >> > >Most of the people I've talked to do too... Also Keyboard magazine which is >usually pretty critical towards him gave it a thumbs up... I think it's >Poly > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29104 Re: Klaus Schulze chris towers Sat 9/15/2001 4 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 1:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Hello all Let me clear something up. The statment below needs to be corrected: THE HIGHLANDER (Who owns all of the Klaus Schulze releases to date) It should read: ( who owns all of the Klaus Schulze REGULAR releases)(I have only just begun to get the bootlegs) From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 1:44 pm Subject: Re: US Tour Gee, I hate to interrupt the newly formed Klaus Schulze newsgroup... ~lol~ (I like KS too! :-). Just wanted to say this: Well done Thomas! That's_not_ always easy to say... :-) Let alone_ put_ into words... ;-) I'm reminded of this quote: 'All nature is but art, unknown to thee; All chance, direction, which thou canst not see; All discord, harmony not understood; All partial evil, universal good; And spite of pride, in erring reason's spite; One truth is clear, Whatever is, is right.' -- Alexander Pope (Essays on Man) Besides, a ray of sunshine was added when Tei Waz speculated on the TD 'magic bus' idea... Then Vic further brightened the picture with some informative TD insider information... And, finally Tei just gave us an educated guess as to the three internal air flights. Just goes to show you that there is always hope! :-) Best Regards, -- Al (Berkeley, CA / USA) My TD personal homepage: http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html ______________________________ Thomas kindly wrote: > Hello > > had to step in here. Not normally contributing > much to this list, I have something to say. > > I think in these times of exceptional circumstances, we > should not try to make rules or ban certain subjects. > I think it's a time when we need to be sensitive in picking > up on other people's needs, and try to help the best way > we can. We all have to help out in tackling this situation, > and if somebody is helped by writing to the list, or > comforted by someone else expressing their feelings > and grief here, then what's the harm?! > > All must contribute, and all must understand, to the best > of their ability. Fellow human beings hurt, and when it > comes down to it, I don't think a whole lot of us care > about 'purity' on this list during these trying times. > > Be tolerant, be understanding, be forgiving, show respect > and help those in need and pain. It's not time to judge, it's > time to embrace. We all deal with pain and grief in different > ways. Some like to not talk about it, others do like to express > themselves. There is no right or wrong way. > > Best regards, > Thomas Bertilsson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 5:22 pm Subject: Tour & misc I just received an update from the Birchmere in Alexandria, VA. that indicated which performances have been rescheduled or cancelled; and the TD show has not been changed from its original date. Today's Washington Post also featured a small advertisement for upcoming shows, which included TD. A friend in Chicago, indicated that the TD show was listed among the best of upcoming musical events for the fall in last weeks Sun Times. I didn't see tha article myself, nor did he save a copy for me. Oddly enough it was from a critic, whose reviews I usually can't stand. Regards, Michael A. Jean PS: Today I got a first hand look at the destruction at the Pentagon, upon returning to work in DC today. It is also my birthday, for those who care about such things... Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net From: vic rek Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 5:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re US Tour tei waz wrote: > >Jerome told me that they are only taking 3 flights in the US and the rest > >will > be by bus. He told me exactly which legs of the > tour they were, but I can not recall at the moment.< > > from the itinerary i'd guess > > atlanta to ny > minneapolis to denver > denver to sf > I forgot most of the legs, but I do recall a flight from Buffalo to Virginia... They may be driving from Atlanta to NY since they have a two day break. That should be an interesting drive. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29113 Buffalo Michael A Jean Sun 9/16/2001 3 KB From: chris towers Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 6:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze If anyone is maybe looking for a reccomendation on KS releases i recommend Body Love pts 1 & 2, and another very melodic album is 'Beyond Recall' Regards Chris --- simon heath wrote: > >*Are you serious???? I think it's the best thing > he's done in a LOOOONG > >time.. > > that is a ringing endorsement.If it is really a > return to the classic '70's > visionary style then I must check it out! As I say, > I don't own it ,having > been put off by the circle reactions and by the > reviews published on the > official website(though I can only read the English > ones) which are pretty > mixed.Are they unduly negetive then?If it's as good > as you say, I'll reach > for my credit card. > .http://www.klaus-schulze.com/disco/7a02cop.htm > > > www.cat.ismad.com > www.mog.ismad.com > simonheath > -----Original Message----- > From: Synthhtnys@a... > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Date: 15 September 2001 07:43 > Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze > > > ><< >Go ahead and get the Contemporary Works set. > > I have never seen so many bad reviews of a release > from dedicated fans (on > > the KS circle) as this one.It persuaded me to not > buy it.There was a > barage > > of criticism against it, due to its' alleged lack > of original material. > > simonheath >> > > > > >Most of the people I've talked to do too... Also > Keyboard magazine which is > >usually pretty critical towards him gave it a > thumbs up... I think it's > >Poly > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for > instructions! > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From: vic rek Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 10:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze I enjoy most KS releases, but I'd like to recommend Inter*face, which was composed during a down period of his life. I also think you should pick up the Silver Edition 10 CD set. And discussing Klaus Schulze on this list is a valid topic... :-) chris towers wrote: > If anyone is maybe looking for a reccomendation on KS > releases i recommend Body Love pts 1 & 2, and another > very melodic album is 'Beyond Recall' > > Regards > > Chris > > --- simon heath wrote: > > >*Are you serious???? I think it's the best thing > > he's done in a LOOOONG > > >time.. > > > > that is a ringing endorsement.If it is really a > > return to the classic '70's > > visionary style then I must check it out! As I say, > > I don't own it ,having > > been put off by the circle reactions and by the > > reviews published on the > > official website(though I can only read the English > > ones) which are pretty > > mixed.Are they unduly negetive then?If it's as good > > as you say, I'll reach > > for my credit card. > > .http://www.klaus-schulze.com/disco/7a02cop.htm > > > > > > www.cat.ismad.com > > www.mog.ismad.com > > simonheath > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Synthhtnys@a... > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: 15 September 2001 07:43 > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze > > > > > > ><< >Go ahead and get the Contemporary Works set. > > > I have never seen so many bad reviews of a release > > from dedicated fans (on > > > the KS circle) as this one.It persuaded me to not > > buy it.There was a > > barage > > > of criticism against it, due to its' alleged lack > > of original material. > > > simonheath >> > > > > > > > >Most of the people I've talked to do too... Also > > Keyboard magazine which is > > >usually pretty critical towards him gave it a > > thumbs up... I think it's > > >Poly > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > > bootleg? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for > > instructions! > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > > Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? > Donate cash, emergency relief information > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: vic rek Date: Sun Sep 16, 2001 4:42 am Subject: Obscure Hoenig Soundtrack - Baldur's Gate 2 There is an obscure Michael Hoenig soundtrack for the PC game BALDUR'S GATE 2. It comes as a bonus CD titled Baldur's Gate 2 - 'Dodatki z Edycji Kolekcjonerskiej' (Additions to the Collector's Edition). As far as I know, this CD comes with the Polish numbered Collector's Edition of Baldur's Gate only. These limited editions are numbered and there are 2000 copies. I hear they are very hard to find now in Poland. All of the text and audio is in Polish. So for the hardcore Hoenig fans, here is another collector's item. As for the music, it is the standard symphonic stuff with some occasional nice electronics. One track reminded me of some of TD's background music in Legend. But if you think Chris Franke/Babylon 5, then you'll have a good feel of what the music is like. 1: Data track - non audio TOTAL AUDIO TIME 58:42, 33 Tracks 2: G?ówny temat 3: Wojna z Jonem i Pokój 4: Rejs z Galeanem Bayle 5: Podró? do Przytu?ku 6: Podmrok 7: Bramy miasta 8: Targowo 9: Promenada Waukeen 10: Wyspa Piratów 11: Ober?e 12: Domena smoka 13: Spotkanie z Jonem Irenicusem 14: Slumsy 15: Walka w lesie I 16: Walka w lesie II 17: Walka na równinie I 18: Walka na równinie II 19: Walka w górach I 20: Walka w górach II 21: Walka w mie?cie I 22: Walka w mie?cie II 23: Noc w dokach 24: Kula Sfer 25: Gaj Druidów 26: Przytu?ek 27: Sny 28: Romans I 29: Romans II 30: Z?y 31: Dobry 32: Bitwa w kana?ach 33: Pomi?dzy Sahauginami 34: Bitwa Cieni Disc also contains various PC files (graphics, MP3, HTML, etc.) Any volunteers to make the English translation?? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29108 Re: Obscure Hoenig Soundtrack - Baldur's Gate 2 Robert Grabowsky Sun 9/16/2001 4 KB 29111 Re: Obscure Hoenig Soundtrack - Baldur's Gate 2 baG Sun 9/16/2001 4 KB 29114 Re: Obscure Hoenig Soundtrack - Baldur's Gate 2 Michael W. Daniels Sun 9/16/2001 2 KB 29115 Re: Obscure Hoenig Soundtrack - Baldur's Gate 2 vic rek Sun 9/16/2001 3 KB 29717 Re: Obscure Hoenig Soundtrack - Baldur's Gate 2 koulos Mon 10/22/2001 3 KB From: hilary.wright@a... Date: Sun Sep 16, 2001 5:38 am Subject: ME-RAD help please! Hi All, I have a bootleg called Me-rad, which says that it was recorded on 08/11/1976 in Nottingham 'Usher Hall'. Searching the net, I find an Usher Hall in Edinburgh but absolutely no mention of an 'Usher Hall' in Nottingham. Using the exact phrase 'nottingham usher hall', pulls up 13 pages mentioning TD Me- rad only. This is suspect. If there was an Usher Hall in Nottingham, then it would have hosted other concerts from other artists, I would have thought. Paul Fellows lists the concert as taking place in Albert Hall, Nottingham. See http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/76- 77.html. Searching the web with 'nottingham albert hall' does find many hits. Does anyone have a ticket stub or concert advert or flyer to prove where the concert took place? I'd love a copy of you do! Regards Hilary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29109 Re: ME-RAD help please! Lasse Gustafsson Sun 9/16/2001 3 KB 29123 Re: ME-RAD help please! Owens, James Mon 9/17/2001 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun Sep 16, 2001 6:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Obscure Hoenig Soundtrack - Baldur's Gate 2 Vic, Where did you get this???? THE HIGHLANDER At 12:42 AM 9/16/01 -0400, you wrote: >There is an obscure Michael Hoenig soundtrack for the PC game BALDUR'S >GATE 2. It comes as a bonus CD titled Baldur's Gate 2 - 'Dodatki z >Edycji Kolekcjonerskiej' (Additions to the Collector's Edition). As far >as I know, this CD comes with the Polish numbered Collector's Edition of >Baldur's Gate only. These limited editions are numbered and there are >2000 copies. I hear they are very hard to find now in Poland. All of >the text and audio is in Polish. So for the hardcore Hoenig fans, here >is another collector's item. > >As for the music, it is the standard symphonic stuff with some >occasional nice electronics. One track reminded me of some of TD's >background music in Legend. But if you think Chris Franke/Babylon 5, >then you'll have a good feel of what the music is like. > > 1: Data track - non audio >TOTAL AUDIO TIME 58:42, 33 Tracks > 2: G?ówny temat > 3: Wojna z Jonem i Pokój > 4: Rejs z Galeanem Bayle > 5: Podró? do Przytu?ku > 6: Podmrok > 7: Bramy miasta > 8: Targowo > 9: Promenada Waukeen > 10: Wyspa Piratów > 11: Ober?e > 12: Domena smoka > 13: Spotkanie z Jonem Irenicusem > 14: Slumsy > 15: Walka w lesie I > 16: Walka w lesie II > 17: Walka na równinie I > 18: Walka na równinie II > 19: Walka w górach I > 20: Walka w górach II > 21: Walka w mie?cie I > 22: Walka w mie?cie II > 23: Noc w dokach > 24: Kula Sfer > 25: Gaj Druidów > 26: Przytu?ek > 27: Sny > 28: Romans I > 29: Romans II > 30: Z?y > 31: Dobry > 32: Bitwa w kana?ach > 33: Pomi?dzy Sahauginami > 34: Bitwa Cieni >Disc also contains various PC files (graphics, MP3, HTML, etc.) > >Any volunteers to make the English translation?? Vic > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Sun Sep 16, 2001 10:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ME-RAD help please! Sorry; No Ticket. But does this help any at all; Regarding my old database, You could try to find something with 'Argonautica Americana - Part 1' ---clip--- ME-RAD (Argonautica Americana Part One) Recorded November 8, 1976 Nottingham Usher Hall, UK 1.0 32:56 First Movement 2.0 31:55 Second Movement total time = 64:51 ---clip--- Information is not verified. if 'Argonautica Americana parts 1 & 2' are somewhere held together (I don't know) the part 2 is also known as 'Ardem 'O''. Don't know what those 'argonauticas' mean, thus my sources say that Ardem-O was recorded 1988. LG ------------------------------------------------------ - This page is best viewed with computer and monitor - ------------------------------------------------------ > From: hilary.wright@a... > Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 05:38:47 -0000 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] ME-RAD help please! > > Hi All, > > I have a bootleg called Me-rad, which says that it was recorded on > 08/11/1976 in Nottingham 'Usher Hall'. > > Searching the net, I find an Usher Hall in Edinburgh but absolutely > no mention of an 'Usher Hall' in Nottingham. Using the exact > phrase 'nottingham usher hall', pulls up 13 pages mentioning TD Me- > rad only. This is suspect. If there was an Usher Hall in Nottingham, > then it would have hosted other concerts from other artists, I would > have thought. > > Paul Fellows lists the concert as taking place in Albert Hall, > Nottingham. See http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/76- > 77.html. Searching the web with 'nottingham albert hall' does find > many hits. > > Does anyone have a ticket stub or concert advert or flyer to prove > where the concert took place? I'd love a copy of you do! > > Regards > > Hilary From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun Sep 16, 2001 10:00 am Subject: auction Hi all, only for your information: SECOND AUCTION on www.opticaldream.de from 01.09.2001 to 14.09.2001 over 90 items of electronic Music (many TD items) Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: baG Date: Sun Sep 16, 2001 11:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Obscure Hoenig Soundtrack - Baldur's Gate 2 vic rek wrote: OK, I will try ;) > 1: Data track - non audio > TOTAL AUDIO TIME 58:42, 33 Tracks > 2: G?ówny temat Main Theme > 3: Wojna z Jonem i Pokój War With Jon And Piece > 4: Rejs z Galeanem Bayle Voyage With Galean Bayle > 5: Podró? do Przytu?ku Journey To Almshouse > 6: Podmrok Underdakness > 7: Bramy miasta The City Gateways > 8: Targowo Market City > 9: Promenada Waukeen Waukeen Promenade > 10: Wyspa Piratów Island Of Pirates > 11: Ober?e Oberges (Joints) > 12: Domena smoka Dragon's Domain > 13: Spotkanie z Jonem Irenicusem Meeting Jon Iracus > 14: Slumsy Slums > 15: Walka w lesie I Fight In Forest I > 16: Walka w lesie II Fight In Forest II > 17: Walka na równinie I Fight In Plain I > 18: Walka na równinie II Fight In Plain II > 19: Walka w górach I Fight In Mountains I > 20: Walka w górach II Fight In Mountains II > 21: Walka w mie?cie I Fight In City I > 22: Walka w mie?cie II Fight In City II > 23: Noc w dokach Night In Docks > 24: Kula Sfer The Sphere Ball > 25: Gaj Druidów The Druids Grove > 26: Przytu?ek Almshouse > 27: Sny Dreams > 28: Romans I Romans I > 29: Romans II Romans I > 30: Z?y Bad > 31: Dobry Good > 32: Bitwa w kana?ach Fight In Channels > 33: Pomi?dzy Sahauginami Between Sahaugians > 34: Bitwa Cieni Figth Of Shadows > Disc also contains various PC files (graphics, MP3, HTML, etc.) > Any volunteers to make the English translation?? Vic Translation may include some errors, but I think you can got the sense. regards -- baG http://tadream.ac.pl/ icq.uin:____119764034 pgp.key.id:0xDEC388C2 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29114 Re: Obscure Hoenig Soundtrack - Baldur's Gate 2 Michael W. Daniels Sun 9/16/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun Sep 16, 2001 10:32 am Subject: auction October Hi all, thefirst email has the wrong dates: SECOND AUCTION on www.opticaldream.de from 01.10.2001 to 14.10.2001 over 90 items of electronic Music (many TD items) Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Sep 16, 2001 1:57 pm Subject: Buffalo SouthWest Airlines was offering $30 one way flights from the DC area...I was tempted to go to NY myself at that price. MAybe they'll get a chance to visit Niagara Falls while they are there... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:11 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] re US Tour > > > > > tei waz wrote: > > > >Jerome told me that they are only taking 3 flights in the US > and the rest > > >will > > be by bus. He told me exactly which legs of the > > tour they were, but I can not recall at the moment.< > > > > from the itinerary i'd guess > > > > atlanta to ny > > minneapolis to denver > > denver to sf > > > > I forgot most of the legs, but I do recall a flight from Buffalo > to Virginia... > They may be driving from Atlanta to NY since they have a two day > break. That should be an interesting drive. Vic > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Michael W. Daniels' Date: Sun Sep 16, 2001 1:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Obscure Hoenig Soundtrack - Baldur's Gate 2 I've played the game in question, so I can offer a few slight corrections: At 07:17 AM 9/16/2001, baG wrote: > > 6: Podmrok Underdakness Underdark [it's a location] > > 13: Spotkanie z Jonem Irenicusem Meeting Jon Iracus Meeting Jon Irenicus > > 24: Kula Sfer The Sphere Ball might be The Planar Sphere > > 33: Pomi?dzy Sahauginami Between Sahaugians Between Sahuagins -- Michael W. Daniels | 'The thunder was ominous-sounding, much daniels@l... | like the sound of a thin sheet of metal Department of Linguistics | being shaken backstage during the storm 218 Oxley Hall | scene in a play.' From: vic rek Date: Sun Sep 16, 2001 3:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Obscure Hoenig Soundtrack - Baldur's Gate 2 Thanks for the translation. I do not know the Baldur 2 game, so I cannot relate the titles. But I have two additional suggestions: 'Michael W. Daniels' wrote: > I've played the game in question, so I can offer a few slight corrections: > > > > 24: Kula Sfer The Sphere Ball > > might be The Planar Sphere My suggestion for track 24 is 'Globe of Spheres', and shouldn't tracks 15-22 start with 'Battle' instead of 'Fight'? Anyway, thanks again for the translation and now we can put together a track list that we all can interpret. Also, a question was asked were you can get this? Well, I got my from a Polish TD collector during my visit to see TD in Warsaw. It was difficult for even him to find this release. In addition, the store price is approx $50, which is close to a Poles weekly salary. I wonder if any other country has released this? Vic From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Sep 16, 2001 9:04 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] ME-RAD help please! Hi Hilary, That's because I have it on good authority (i.e. a fan who lives in Nottingham, namely Steve Yensen) that the Usher Hall doesn't exist any more, he corrected me on this one. Shouldn't believe everything you read on bootleg covers :-) Here's an extract of the e-mail he sent me, re. all the gigs TD have ever played in Nottingham (venue names in brackets are the mistakes I had made before his corrections): 8 Nov 1976 Nottingham - Albert Hall (was Usher Hall) 23 Mar 1986 Nottingham - Royal Concert Hall (was Royal Court Hall) 29 Oct 1990 Nottingham - Royal Concert Hall (was Royal Center) 30 Oct 1997 Nottingham - Royal Concert Hall (was Usher Hall) The Albert Hall is no longer used for gigs - the Royal Concert Hall has been built since then for that purpose. One of these is given as 'Royal Center'. The Royal Concert Hall is, strictly speaking, part of the Royal Centre (the other parts are the Theatre Royal and the Royal Hotel) but the concert was in the Royal Concert Hall itself. Paul ---------- >De : hilary.wright@a... >Ŕ : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] ME-RAD help please! >Date : Dim 16 sep 2001 7:38 > > Hi All, > > I have a bootleg called Me-rad, which says that it was recorded on > 08/11/1976 in Nottingham 'Usher Hall'. > > Searching the net, I find an Usher Hall in Edinburgh but absolutely > no mention of an 'Usher Hall' in Nottingham. Using the exact > phrase 'nottingham usher hall', pulls up 13 pages mentioning TD Me- > rad only. This is suspect. If there was an Usher Hall in Nottingham, > then it would have hosted other concerts from other artists, I would > have thought. > > Paul Fellows lists the concert as taking place in Albert Hall, > Nottingham. See http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/76- > 77.html. Searching the web with 'nottingham albert hall' does find > many hits. > > Does anyone have a ticket stub or concert advert or flyer to prove > where the concert took place? I'd love a copy of you do! > > Regards > > Hilary > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29124 Re: Re : [tadream] ME-RAD help please! Hilary Wright Mon 9/17/2001 5 KB 29125 Re: Re : [tadream] ME-RAD help please! Stephen.Yensen@s... Tue 9/18/2001 2 KB From: rubyconist@y... Date: Mon Sep 17, 2001 7:47 am Subject: Old albums I'm new here as you might know and I don't know yet what do you feel about the older albums of TD. Any toughts or opinions? My next purchases will propably be Phaedra, Poland and (non-TD) The Best of Babylon 5. I'm interested to hear particulary about Poland. My collection (update): Alpha Centauri Zeit Atem Rubycon Ricochet Sorcerer Stratosfear Cyclone Force Majeure Tangram Exit Thief Logos Underwater Sunlight Pergamon Live Miles Tangents 1973-1983 Mars Polaris The Great Wall of China Antique Dreams Regards, TheInfection Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29118 Re: Babylon 5 Michael A Jean Mon 9/17/2001 3 KB 29119 Re: Old albums Michal Moroz Mon 9/17/2001 2 KB 29122 Re: Old albums chris towers Mon 9/17/2001 3 KB 29155 Re: Old albums rubyconist@y... Fri 9/21/2001 2 KB 29128 Re: Old albums BRUCE@F... Tue 9/18/2001 2 KB 29161 Re: Old albums toby.braddick@u... Fri 9/21/2001 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Sep 17, 2001 12:20 pm Subject: RE: Babylon 5 B5 stuff is n sale at the Sonic Images website for only 6.98 each...Including 'The Best of B5' which was pretty rare up to this point... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: rubyconist@y... [mailto:rubyconist@y...] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:47 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Old albums > > > I'm new here as you might know and I don't know yet what do you feel > about the older albums of TD. Any toughts or opinions? > > My next purchases will propably be Phaedra, Poland and (non-TD) The > Best of Babylon 5. I'm interested to hear particulary about Poland. > > My collection (update): > Alpha Centauri > Zeit > Atem > Rubycon > Ricochet > Sorcerer > Stratosfear > Cyclone > Force Majeure > Tangram > Exit > Thief > Logos > Underwater Sunlight > Pergamon > Live Miles > Tangents 1973-1983 > Mars Polaris > The Great Wall of China > Antique Dreams > > Regards, > TheInfection > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Mon Sep 17, 2001 11:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Old albums > I'm new here as you might know and I don't know yet what do you feel > about the older albums of TD. Any toughts or opinions? > > My next purchases will propably be Phaedra, Poland and (non-TD) The > Best of Babylon 5. I'm interested to hear particulary about Poland. Poland is one of the best albums of TD for me! As for Babylon 5 I recommend volume 1 (only first and perhaps second season) and volume 2 (to the fourth season) station_mir _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29122 Re: Old albums chris towers Mon 9/17/2001 3 KB 29155 Re: Old albums rubyconist@y... Fri 9/21/2001 2 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Sep 17, 2001 12:34 pm Subject: TD related CDs /CDRs for sale Hi all, I have for sale: A. Five BRAZILIAN new age CDs from the 'Acervo New Age' series, all mint/mint with Chris Franke tracks one them A1.'Earthtone One' with 'Celtic Mist'+'Silence of the Eclipse' A2.'Earthtone 2' w. 'Morphing Space(NAC)'+'Damaged Goods' A3.'Earthtone 3' w. 'Electric becomes Eclectic' A4.'Elevation' w. 'Silence of the Eclipse' A5.'Celtic Journey' w. 'Celtic Mist' B. Five CDR 'reproductions' of old Sampler LPs, very well done with great cover and label repros. Also from Brazil B1. Edgar Froese - Electronic Dreams B2. Kosmische Musik (inc. KS 'Land',otherwise unreleased) B3. The Best of Virgin (inc. TD Stratosfear 4:10) B4. Ossich Live (inc. TD live) B5. Edgar Froese - Solo 1974-1979 Direct buy price is US$10.-/DM 20.- apiece, or best offer, plus postage. Payment cash or PayPal. best regards, klaus From: Liondream@a... Date: Mon Sep 17, 2001 2:07 pm Subject: TD Tour I'm in the Chicago are... TD is playing at the House of Blues; however, they are also playing in Milwaukee at the Riverfront Theater. Milwaukee is only about an hour or so away. I'm thinking of opting for the Milwaukee show because I think it will be more like an actual concert as opposed to HOB standing room only - club atmosphere. Any thoughts, anyone? Anyone familiar with the Riverfront Theater in Milwaukee? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29132 Re: TD Tour Michael A Jean Tue 9/18/2001 3 KB From: chris towers Date: Mon Sep 17, 2001 2:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Old albums Yeah i agree, Poland is a must for any lover of TD. A true classic. Another fave of mine is the Logos release, very pleasant and moving music. Another must in my opinion. Regards Chris --- Michal Moroz wrote: > > I'm new here as you might know and I don't know > yet what do you feel > > about the older albums of TD. Any toughts or > opinions? > > > > My next purchases will propably be Phaedra, Poland > and (non-TD) The > > Best of Babylon 5. I'm interested to hear > particulary about Poland. > > Poland is one of the best albums of TD for me! > As for Babylon 5 I recommend volume 1 (only first > and perhaps second season) > and volume 2 (to the fourth season) > > station_mir > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Sep 17, 2001 3:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] ME-RAD help please! Hilary, My info says that the disc is mis-labelled and the concert was really at Albert Hall. Remember that bootlegs generally have worse quality control than TDI releases! (but not always ;-) I don't have, nor have I ever seen, a ticket stub for this, so I can't verify it personally. I'm sure some of the listizens from the UK were actually there, though. James > -----Original Message----- > Hi All, > > I have a bootleg called Me-rad, which says that it was recorded on > 08/11/1976 in Nottingham 'Usher Hall'. From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Mon Sep 17, 2001 6:13 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] ME-RAD help please! Hi Paul and Lasse, Thanks for your replies. Some supplementary questions. From your mail, Paul, the Usher Hall did once exist in Nottingham. Did it exist at the time of the 1976 concert? If so the bootleg cover would be correct (but I do take your point!) Still looking for ticket stubs.... Regards, Hilary --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > Hi Hilary, > > That's because I have it on good authority (i.e. a fan who lives in > Nottingham, namely Steve Yensen) that the Usher Hall doesn't exist any more, > he corrected me on this one. Shouldn't believe everything you read on > bootleg covers :-) > > Here's an extract of the e-mail he sent me, re. all the gigs TD have ever > played in Nottingham (venue names in brackets are the mistakes I had made > before his corrections): > > 8 Nov 1976 Nottingham - Albert Hall (was Usher Hall) > 23 Mar 1986 Nottingham - Royal Concert Hall (was Royal Court Hall) > 29 Oct 1990 Nottingham - Royal Concert Hall (was Royal Center) > 30 Oct 1997 Nottingham - Royal Concert Hall (was Usher Hall) > > The Albert Hall is no longer used for gigs - the Royal Concert Hall has been > built since then for that purpose. > > One of these is given as 'Royal Center'. The Royal Concert Hall is, > strictly speaking, part of the Royal Centre (the other parts are the Theatre > Royal and the Royal Hotel) but the concert was in the Royal Concert Hall > itself. > > Paul > > ---------- > >De : hilary.wright@a... > >Ŕ : tadream@y... > >Objet : [tadream] ME-RAD help please! > >Date : Dim 16 sep 2001 7:38 > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I have a bootleg called Me-rad, which says that it was recorded on > > 08/11/1976 in Nottingham 'Usher Hall'. > > > > Searching the net, I find an Usher Hall in Edinburgh but absolutely > > no mention of an 'Usher Hall' in Nottingham. Using the exact > > phrase 'nottingham usher hall', pulls up 13 pages mentioning TD Me- > > rad only. This is suspect. If there was an Usher Hall in Nottingham, > > then it would have hosted other concerts from other artists, I would > > have thought. > > > > Paul Fellows lists the concert as taking place in Albert Hall, > > Nottingham. See http://perso.club- internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/76- > > 77.html. Searching the web with 'nottingham albert hall' does find > > many hits. > > > > Does anyone have a ticket stub or concert advert or flyer to prove > > where the concert took place? I'd love a copy of you do! > > > > Regards > > > > Hilary > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: Stephen.Yensen@s... Date: Mon Sep 17, 2001 8:19 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] ME-RAD help please! Thanks Paul. Yes, I've been making enquiries and it seems that no- one here has ever heard of the 'Usher Hall'. And as James Owens correctly states, I was there. Wonderful concert Unbelievably, I don't have the bootleg or any recording; although I did have a 'Stratosfear' tour program (which I traded with another list member). IIRC this gave details of all the venues on the 1976 UK tour. If anyone has a recording of the concert, please contact me privately as I'd love to hear it again! Hugs to everybody, Steve living in Nottingham UK since 1973! --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > Hi Hilary, > > That's because I have it on good authority (i.e. a fan who lives in > Nottingham, namely Steve Yensen) that the Usher Hall doesn't exist any more, > he corrected me on this one. Shouldn't believe everything you read on > bootleg covers :-) > From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Sep 18, 2001 5:37 am Subject: Genuine TDI version of The Keep on ebay!! HI all, For those of you who may be interested (and I take that to be almost everyone), I have just listed one of the original TDI version of 'The Keep' on ebay, catalogue no. TDI101CD, in virtually mint condition. This is not one of the bootlegs versions, nor a CDR, but one of the original 150 copies as sold during the 1997 Tournado tour of the UK. As I write this, the listing hasn't come up yet, but it should do so sometime during the next 24 hours. My standing among the TD community for the last 15 years guarantees its authenticity. So, happy bidding everyoine, and good luck!! - Chris Owen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29130 Re: Genuine TDI version of The Keep on ebay!! chris towers Tue 9/18/2001 3 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Sep 18, 2001 5:40 am Subject: link for 'The Keep' CD on ebay Hi all, The listing for the 'The Keep' CD is now up on ebay. Here's the link.... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1466349466 - Chris Owen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: BRUCE@F... Date: Mon Sep 17, 2001 11:15 pm Subject: Re: Old albums --- In tadream@y..., rubyconist@y... wrote: > I'm new here as you might know and I don't know yet what do you feel > about the older albums of TD. Any toughts or opinions? > > My next purchases will propably be Phaedra, Poland and (non-TD) The > Best of Babylon 5. I'm interested to hear particulary about Poland. > Phaedra - Brilliant Poland - Brilliant as well Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29161 Re: Old albums toby.braddick@u... Fri 9/21/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Tue Sep 18, 2001 12:13 am Subject: Legend tracklist Does anyone have this at hand? Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29131 Re: Legend tracklist PERGAMON Tue 9/18/2001 3 KB 29137 Re: Legend tracklist Kevin Robert Ball Tue 9/18/2001 3 KB 29179 Re: Legend tracklist Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Fri 9/21/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Tue Sep 18, 2001 8:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Genuine TDI version of The Keep on ebay!! If no one has this CD i recommend it, i was lucky enough to get a copy after years of waiting. Chris Towers --- Chris Owen wrote: > HI all, > > For those of you who may be interested (and I take > that to be almost everyone), I have just listed one > of the original TDI version of 'The Keep' on ebay, > catalogue no. TDI101CD, in virtually mint condition. > This is not one of the bootlegs versions, nor a CDR, > but one of the original 150 copies as sold during > the 1997 Tournado tour of the UK. As I write this, > the listing hasn't come up yet, but it should do so > sometime during the next 24 hours. My standing among > the TD community for the last 15 years guarantees > its authenticity. So, happy bidding everyoine, and > good luck!! > > - Chris Owen > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Tue Sep 18, 2001 9:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend tracklist Hi Glenn Legend tracklist: 1. Is your love strong enough 5.10 2. Opening 2.53 3. Cottage 3.19 4. Unicorn theme 3.22 5. Goblins 3.00 6. Fairies 2.55 7. Loved by the sun 5.56 8. Blue room 3.22 9. The dance 2.22 10. Darkness 3.03 11. The kitchen / Unicorn theme reprise 4.53 Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 2:13 AM Subject: [tadream] Legend tracklist > Does anyone have this at hand? > > Best regards, > Glenn > > www.electronicshadows.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Sep 18, 2001 12:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD Tour I would go to both shows...Up until National Airport closed, I was considering flying back to Chicago to see the show and visiting my family. I am now living in Arlington, VA but Chicago is my hometown. > -----Original Message----- > From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:08 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TD Tour > > > I'm in the Chicago are... TD is playing at the House of Blues; > however, they are also playing in Milwaukee at the Riverfront > Theater. Milwaukee is only about an hour or so away. I'm thinking > of opting for the Milwaukee show because I think it will be more > like an actual concert as opposed to HOB standing room only - > club atmosphere. > > Any thoughts, anyone? Anyone familiar with the Riverfront Theater > in Milwaukee? > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Sep 18, 2001 11:52 am Subject: 'Inferno' concert October 7,2001..where do we meet? Hi Gang, the 'Inferno' concert is coming near, only 19 days left to go. Since I will be attending both shows I thought it would be a nice idea if we could do another 'pre-show-get-together' (now what's that in German language? ;-) just like in Osnabrück 1999 or London 2001...and maybe some sort of 'after party' (wherever and whenever this will be, mind you the 2nd show starts at 11pm!) I was surfing the Bernau homepage and found a nice looking restaurant called 'Leiterwagen', the URL is: 'http://www.leiterwagen.com/' ..not much info yet but it looks good and it seems to be only a few minutes walk to the St.-Marien-Kirche where the concert(s) take(s) place. Then there's 'Feigling - das Launelokal' (German word for 'coward') which is located even nearer, but it seems to be more like a pub, the URL is: 'http://www.feigling-bernau.de/'. The main URL for the city of Bernau is 'http://www.bernau.de/bernau.htm', and you can find a detailed city map at: 'http://www.bernau.de/stadtplan/b3.htm' Everyone who is going to see the concert(s) and wants to meet some of us TD fans can contact me at 'heiko.heerssen@h...', so that I can make up a list of participants just like the last time (the Shepherds Bush gig in London, I think it was Paul Fellows who made the list..hi Paul :-) Heiko From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Tue Sep 18, 2001 1:22 pm Subject: CD sales list updated Hello Just updated my short list of em and prog/rock sale list at: http://members.tripodasia.com.hk/coldwatercanyon/CDsale.htm Regards Jeffrey From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Sep 18, 2001 3:25 pm Subject: TD shows Hi Michael, I may do that. The HOB show is only about $25, so it'll depend on how much the Riverfront show is (whether I can afford to go to one or both). Back during the 220 Volt tour I saw TD here at the Vic, which is a pretty nice venue, then drove up to Detroit for a show at the Fox Theater, which was a fabulous venue. The Fox Theater in Detroit was one of those old, glorious theaters with the fake starry sky (if I remember correctly), and a big elephant's head way above the stage. It had a Moghul/India motif. Pretty cool place for a TD show. Liondream << Subject: RE: TD Tour I would go to both shows...Up until National Airport closed, I was considering flying back to Chicago to see the show and visiting my family. I am now living in Arlington, VA but Chicago is my hometown.>>> From: 'Rimas Lazutka' Date: Tue Sep 18, 2001 5:48 pm Subject: [tadream] unsubscribe unsubsribe me from this mailing list Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' Date: Tue Sep 18, 2001 6:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend tracklist Side One a) Is Your Love Strong Enough (Chris Franke, Edgar Froese and Johannes Schmoelling) 5.10 5.08 Performed by Bryan Ferry b) Opening (Chris Franke, Edgar Froese and Johannes Schmoelling) 2.53 2.55 c) Cottage (Chris Franke, Edgar Froese and Johannes Schmoelling) 3.19 3.23 d) Unicorn Theme (Chris Franke, Edgar Froese and Johannes Schmoelling) 3.22 2.27 e) Goblins (Chris Franke, Edgar Froese and Johannes Schmoelling) 3.00 3.03 f) Fairies (Chris Franke, Edgar Froese and Johannes Schmoelling) 2.55 2.57 Side Two a) Loved By The Sun (Music by Chris Franke, Edgar Froese and Johannes Schmoelling) 5.56 5.57 (Lyrics by Jon Anderson) b) Blue Room (Chris Franke, Edgar Froese and Johannes Schmoelling) 3.22 3.24 c) The Dance (Chris Franke, Edgar Froese and Johannes Schmoelling) 2.22 3.23 d) Darkness (Chris Franke, Edgar Froese and Johannes Schmoelling) 3.03 3.05 e) The Kitchen / Unicorn Theme Reprise (Chris Franke, Edgar Froese and Johannes Schmoelling) 4.53 4.49 Timings as per the release on Varese Sarabande Records and then MCA Records. Kevin. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media [mailto:glenn@f...] Sent: 18 September 2001 01:14 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Legend tracklist Does anyone have this at hand? Best regards, Glenn From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Sep 18, 2001 11:37 pm Subject: TD Vancouver, BC 11/16 Richards on Richards try www.hob.com for ticket purchase link --T Tangerine Dream price : $32.50 date : Fri, November 16 show : 7:30 pm genre : Electronic age : 19+ Richards on Richards » 1036 Richards Street Vancouver, Canada - BC notes :: Government ID Required - No Minors _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29141 Re: TD Vancouver, BC 11/16 Richards on Richards Jeffrey Au Yeung Wed 9/19/2001 3 KB From: Aeonblue@a... Date: Wed Sep 19, 2001 2:36 am Subject: cdr trading gear, cheap! I just wanted to take a moment to pass along some decent sales I ran across at Crutchfield.com http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-VlbQj6irmt3/prodview.asp? I=570XRC303R This link is for a Aiwa XR-C303RW CDR minisystem. It's on sale from 500$ to 300$ now. It's a great 3cd 1 cdr/cdrw uit with optical ins and outs, which is very rare on a minisystem. This is always helpful for making minidiscs as well. :) the Aiwa machine is a great way to get into cdr trading without having to go the computer route and worry about DOA and all the other issues that computer based cdrs create. The unit also has record timers for recording off the radio. If you already have a nice minisystem, or prefer component stereos, Crutchfield also has a sale on a high speed cdr dubbing deck, The Aiwa XC-RW700.Normally it lists for 600 but is also on sale for 300 right now. http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-VlbQj6irmt3/ProdView.asp? I=570XCRW700 It can do 4X high speed cdr/cdrw dubbing and has full coax/optical ins and outs. I own one of these and if you have any questions about it please let me know! Also if you a new Crutchfield customer you get 25 bucks off and i get a 25 dollar credit as well. My customer ID is: 20686263 You have to let them know my CID to get the 25 bucks off. Sorry to anyone who my post offends. I normally don't do this kinda thing but I was hoping to raise enough credit to help pay for a digital camcorder for film school. Can't blame a guy for trying. Also, anyone interested in Indie MD/CDR trades lemme know! Also, if you plan on ordering these or anything else from Crutchfield let me know. I'll make a cdr copy of any show from my collection as a thank you. Michael King From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Wed Sep 19, 2001 7:50 am Subject: Warsaw 2001 poster wanted Hello I am looking for the Warsaw 2001 poster should one have a spare for swap please contact me off-list. Regards Jeffrey From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Wed Sep 19, 2001 7:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Vancouver, BC 11/16 Richards on Richards It is a pity - I will go off to Vancouver in early October for no more than 5 days and cannot go to any of TD's forthcoming concert in America. Which list member from Vancouver can recommend any good record/CD shop in the city? Regards Jeffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: tei waz To: ; Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:37 AM Subject: [tadream] TD Vancouver, BC 11/16 Richards on Richards > try www.hob.com for ticket purchase link > > --T > > Tangerine Dream > > price : $32.50 > date : Fri, November 16 > show : 7:30 pm > genre : Electronic > > age : 19+ > > > Richards on Richards » > 1036 Richards Street > Vancouver, Canada - BC > > notes :: Government ID Required - No Minors > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Sep 19, 2001 12:22 pm Subject: TD detroit 11/1 onsale: 9/22 10AM TANGERINE DREAM Thu, 11/1/01 9:00PM Second City Detroit, MI On Sale 9/22/01 10:00AM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: gmroger@p... Date: Wed Sep 19, 2001 1:43 pm Subject: Possible CD's at Bernau concert For those of you going to the 'Inferno' concerts in 18 or so days time... anyone like to volunteer and buy me any new CD's that might be sold at the event? Please contact me off-list if interested and we'll arrange what ever payment is required. Roger Hartopp -- r e k l a m a Lista Plac [ http://listaplac.onet.pl ] From: gmroger@p... Date: Wed Sep 19, 2001 1:44 pm Subject: Re: Is Your Love Strong Enough On 19 Sep 2001, at 10:40, tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:42:08 +0100 > From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' > Subject: RE: Legend tracklist > > Side One > > a) Is Your Love Strong Enough > (Chris Franke, Edgar Froese and Johannes Schmoelling) 5.10 5.08 > Performed by Bryan Ferry Actually, it was written by Bryan Ferry... think of all the fuss we would have made in the past if this was written by F, F & S... it was a top twenty hit single in many countries! Roger Hartopp -- r e k l a m a Lista Plac [ http://listaplac.onet.pl ] From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Sep 19, 2001 6:21 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] merchandise at this year's TD concerts someone had replied to me about this, but I lost the reply (sorry). could anyone clarify this so we can plan sepnding budgets? Thanks (again) Joe > -----Original Message----- > Could someone please break down the prices of merchandise > from this year's > TD concerts? Indigenous currencies are fine, unless you can > convert them to > US dollars, or I can convert using > http://msn.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?qscr=curc&&zz=1000314906300& > > how much are things like: > > T-shirts = > CDs = > posters = > etc. = what other merchandise items were available? From: 'Scott' Date: Wed Sep 19, 2001 8:13 pm Subject: Re: TD tour >The Fox Theater in Detroit was one of those old, glorious theaters with the fake starry sky (if I remember >correctly), and a big elephant's head way above the stage. It had a Moghul/India motif. Pretty cool place for a >TD show. The Odeon, where TD will be playing in Cleveland, is an absolute hole! A few stools, a concrete floor, surly staff and no parking! That said, anyone going to the Cleveland show should meet up. Let's see that would be me, Joe.... anyone else? How's the Flat Iron sound? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29147 Re: TD tour Joe Shoults Wed 9/19/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Sep 19, 2001 8:36 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD tour gee. Tangerine Dream is playing in my city? not sure if I'll go or not. HA! Depending on if the wife goes, I may go straight there after work. I'll know more as the day approaches. > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott [mailto:splumer@w...] > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:13 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: TD tour > > > >The Fox Theater in Detroit was one of those old, glorious > theaters with the > fake starry sky (if I remember >correctly), and a big > elephant's head way > above the stage. It had a Moghul/India motif. Pretty cool > place for a >TD > show. > > The Odeon, where TD will be playing in Cleveland, is an > absolute hole! A few > stools, a concrete floor, surly staff and no parking! > > That said, anyone going to the Cleveland show should meet up. > Let's see that > would be me, Joe.... anyone else? How's the Flat Iron sound? > > Scott > From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 2:04 pm Subject: TD Minneapolis 11/4 onsale: 9/24 10AM TANGERINE DREAM Sun, 11/4/01 9:00PM First Avenue Minneapolis, MN On Sale 9/24/01 10:00AM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 5:18 pm Subject: TD Denver 11/6 onsale: 10/1 10AM TANGERINE DREAM Tue, 11/6/01 8:00PM Paramount Theatre Denver, CO On Sale 10/1/01 10:00AM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: tom george Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 6:46 am Subject: Vic's Poland Pictures Nice pictures Vic. especially the radio 1 cutie. :) tom __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 2:09 am Subject: The Keep auction on ebay Thank you to everyone who has bid so far on the TDI version of 'The Keep' CD on ebay. It's turning into quite a battle! With 7 days still left on the auction, good luck to anyone who is still interested at this stage. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1466349466 - Chris Owen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: DAT artwork for Persistence of Vision does anyone know where I can find the artwork for the DAT version of Persistence of Vision? Thanks in advance, --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 12:47 am Subject: Detroit Second City Anyone? Hey there all, just wanted to find out first of all, anyone here on this little list going to the Detroit show that was listed as going on sale this Saturday 9/22? AND Second of all, what the HELL is Second City? I've heard OF IT, is that the one downtown on Jefferson near State Theatre, Comerica (great area by the way LOL), and the new being built Ford Field (Lions Stadium) that opens next year. Just curious if THIS is the same Second City? Isn't that a COMEDY CLUB? AND I'd read about the Fox. Talk about an old glorious hall. I've seen about 80 concerts there (various music), including the likes of Steve Perry (Former Journey), and it's an awesome glorious hall that has fabulous sound, acoustic are killer, AND if that's the case, what about anywhere else except a place like Second City I've heard OF, but never been to? If I'm not mistaken, doesn't Second City serve food and is a restaurant or something? If anyone could help prior to the tickets going on sale Saturday, I'd definately appreciate it (ON the list or off the list is fine with me), just curious. AND about what was posted too regarding budget? I'd definately love to find out what's up with that. Just curious how the taping situation is here? I know obviously from my trading days on CDR, I've acquired a TON of live boots of TD, and I would like to know if DAT taping is going to be allowed, as I'd definately like to get a copy of the show myself and tape it, but for obviously reasons don't want to piss anyone off by taking taping recording equipment into the gig and have an issue with security or anyone there? thanks. Last note/question. Just curious about the setlist/length and stuff like that? Just wondering how long I can figure on the show being? I'd HOPE at least 2+ hours, but having NEVER SEEN TD live, this will be the first time ever since I've been a fan. thanks! dan Donate Blood - 1-800-GIVELIFE Kayleigh's Playhouse - Live ONLINE! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com TheTradingCircle OR 80s-PopMusic - FOUND HERE!! http://www.yahoogroups.com Contact me: AOL IM (winnietiggerfan) or MSN Messenger... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29165 Re: Detroit Second City Anyone? John McIntyre Fri 9/21/2001 2 KB From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 12:50 am Subject: Second City/Detroit Hey there all, just wanted to ask another question in regards to the Detroit gig. HOW BIG is this venue? Again, having heard OF IT, wasn't sure how big of a venue it was, and how expensive? Another quickie note, just curious IF the TD tour has officially commenced just yet, AND if so, anyone have any tour shows available for swapping yet? I apologize, having some issue with my mail, there were several people I'd tried to work some TD trading deals out with, if you were one of those, please e-note me off the list. thanks. dan Donate Blood - 1-800-GIVELIFE Kayleigh's Playhouse - Live ONLINE! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com TheTradingCircle OR 80s-PopMusic - FOUND HERE!! http://www.yahoogroups.com Contact me: AOL IM (winnietiggerfan) or MSN Messenger... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: rubyconist@y... Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 9:25 am Subject: Re: Old albums --- In tadream@y..., 'Michal Moroz' wrote: > Poland is one of the best albums of TD for me! > As for Babylon 5 I recommend volume 1 (only first and perhaps second season) > and volume 2 (to the fourth season) > > station_mir Already have them, but thank you. Actually I found TD because of Babylon 5. First I started to watch the show, I liked the music so I bought first episodic cd and then B5 Vol. 2 and B5 Vol.1. Then my friend (another mad finn) bought me Live Miles. Regards, TheInfection From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:23 am Subject: Toulouse (France) under attack too ? Hi everyone. I'm just back online after some holidays. The dramatic events in New York are now Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29157 Toulouse (France) under attack too ? Yannick EDOM Fri 9/21/2001 3 KB 29158 Toulouse (France) under attack too ? Yannick EDOM Fri 9/21/2001 3 KB 29160 Re: Toulouse (France) under attack too ? thomas.soucheleau@n... Fri 9/21/2001 2 KB 29202 Re: Toulouse (France) under attack too ? Yannick EDOM Mon 9/24/2001 2 KB From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:43 am Subject: Toulouse (France) under attack too ? Hi everyone. I'm just back online after some holidays. First all my thoughts to the victims and also survivors of the dramatic events in New York. As i survived of the terrorists' attack in Paris in 1995 (two meters more and i was killed by the bomb of the first attack in the train) i exactly know and understand their feelings. One hour ago my City of Toulouse (southern France) was shocked by two (maybe more) simultaneous explosions. I'm working in a little tower behind the train station and the tower moved by the vibration of the explosion. the first one was in the center of the city the other one was in the manufacture of space combustible (Ariane mainly) and explosives. So to everyone who knows me. I'M ALLRIGHT. According to France Infos there were maybe some victims but no confimation yet. The network will be sut down very soon. Be in touch soon (maybe on Monday) Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:43 am Subject: Toulouse (France) under attack too ? Hi everyone. I'm just back online after some holidays. First all my thoughts to the victims and also survivors of the dramatic events in New York. As i survived of the terrorists' attack in Paris in 1995 (two meters more and i was killed by the bomb of the first attack in the train) i exactly know and understand their feelings. One hour ago my City of Toulouse (southern France) was shocked by two (maybe more) simultaneous explosions. I'm working in a little tower behind the train station and the tower moved by the vibration of the explosion. the first one was in the center of the city the other one was in the manufacture of space combustible (Ariane mainly) and explosives. So to everyone who knows me. I'M ALLRIGHT. According to France Infos there were maybe some victims but no confimation yet. The network will be sut down very soon. Be in touch soon (maybe on Monday) Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:42 am Subject: Old recordings (1971 etc.) I was a big fan in the early to mid 70's when the shows were mainly improvisation from 'jumping off' points. I have a number of tapes up to about 1978 (I think the Cyclone tour was the last I got a recording from). Having just found this site, I was wondering if any of the old shows had made their way on to CDR and if so, is there any trading going on. I can do CD to CDR but as yet can't transfer my tapes to CDR, which I would love to do because I could then listen to the shows while commuting to and from work. Unfortunately, my wife doesn't like TD, so I can't really listen too much at home if I want to keep the peace. If anyone can guide me offline on this, I'd be very grateful. Toby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29162 Re: Old recordings (1971 etc.) Joe Shoults Fri 9/21/2001 4 KB 29163 Re: Old recordings (1971 etc.) Antonio Nunes Fri 9/21/2001 2 KB From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Toulouse (France) under attack too ? And that's the day I choosed to come back in toulouse (I work in Paris)... Now I have to stay home because of possible toxic clouds... But wasn't it just an accident? ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:46 am Subject: Re: Old albums Bruce, I have also just found this site. My favourite TD era is Alpha Centauri through to Stratosfear. Phaedra, Rubycon and Ricochet are my favourites. Poland and Tangent are also pretty good if you are looking at the 'later' old recordings. Toby --- In tadream@y..., BRUCE@F... wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., rubyconist@y... wrote: > > I'm new here as you might know and I don't know yet what do you > feel > > about the older albums of TD. Any toughts or opinions? > > > > My next purchases will propably be Phaedra, Poland and (non-TD) The > > Best of Babylon 5. I'm interested to hear particulary about Poland. > > > > Phaedra - Brilliant > Poland - Brilliant as well From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 12:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Old recordings (1971 etc.) > -----Original Message----- > From: toby.braddick@u... [mailto:toby.braddick@u...] > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 6:43 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Old recordings (1971 etc.) > > > I was a big fan in the early to mid 70's when the shows were mainly > improvisation from 'jumping off' points. I have a number of tapes up > to about 1978 (I think the Cyclone tour was the last I got a > recording from). > > Having just found this site, I was wondering if any of the old shows > had made their way on to CDR and if so, is there any trading > going on. Yes, lots! Fans do trade, and you can call it a 'healthy' trading community, but we do not conduct trades on this mailing list. We talk about the concerts, the recordings, the nomenclature, the technology, but the actual business of trading itself must be off-list. > I can do CD to CDR but as yet can't transfer my tapes to CDR, which I > would love to do because I could then listen to the shows while > commuting to and from work. Unfortunately, my wife doesn't > like TD, so > I can't really listen too much at home if I want to keep the peace. LOL- you will discover that you are not alone; it is a pretty well-documented phenomenon that TD's music (maybe all like it) is primarily a male thing. As for transferring tapes, there are a variety of fre audio-capture programs out there; just plug your tape output into your microphone jack on your computer, record as wav files and burn as CD-audio. I mean, this is just a simplistic explanation for transferring tapes; if you go into 'fixing up' the quality of the audio, you may be at the point of diminishing returns before you start, as there may be available relatively-high-quality versions already available. > If anyone can guide me offline on this, I'd be very grateful. oops - I see that the paragraph above wasn't necessary. Welcome to the list! Joe From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 1:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Old recordings (1971 etc.) Joe Shoults wrote: > As for transferring tapes, there are a variety of fre audio-capture programs > out there; just plug your tape output into your microphone jack on your > computer, record as wav files and burn as CD-audio. If your computer has a 'line in' jack, use it instead of the microphone jack, because the output signal of a tape deck is usually too high for the microphone input. As for the software, if you have a SoundBlaster card, you have already the program WaveStudio which is good enough for transferring audio tapes to wav files. I use it all the time. Antonio Nunes From: scrooge@o... Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 1:33 pm Subject: Concert videos I have been trying to find out exactly what is available on video of TD concerts without much success. I have a couple of very old tapes :- Live in Greece 1983and and a compilation of Munich 1981 & Poland 1983. Can anyone help? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29166 Re: Concert videos Owens, James Fri 9/21/2001 3 KB 29170 Re: Concert videos Marcel Engels Fri 9/21/2001 3 KB 29173 Re: Concert videos Piotr'Millennium' Fri 9/21/2001 3 KB 29182 Re: Concert videos Phil Wingfield Fri 9/21/2001 2 KB 29183 Re: Concert videos ampmusic Fri 9/21/2001 3 KB 29186 Re: Concert videos jowers Sat 9/22/2001 2 KB 29187 Concert videos scrooge@o... Sat 9/22/2001 1 KB 29219 Re: Concert videos Owens, James Mon 9/24/2001 3 KB From: John McIntyre Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Detroit Second City Anyone? winnie the pooh wrote: > Hey there all, just wanted to find out first of all, anyone here on this little list going to the Detroit show that was listed as going on sale this Saturday 9/22? AND Second of all, what the HELL is Second City? I've heard OF IT, is that the one downtown on Jefferson near State Theatre, Comerica (great area by the way LOL), and the new being built Ford Field (Lions Stadium) that opens next year. > > Just curious if THIS is the same Second City? Isn't that a COMEDY CLUB? Yes, I'll be going, and yes, it is a Comedy Club. Don't know their taping policy. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 1:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Concert videos Also in existence: 75 Coventry Cathedral from BBC with Ricochet overdub (about 30 minutes) 86 Kansas City, Missouri (whole concert) 88 Cleveland, Ohio (whole concert) 90 Werner-Seelenbinder Hall, Berlin (pieces of concert, 50 minutes or so) 92 Wiltern Theater, Los Angeles (whole concert) 92 another 92 US concert (Boston ???) (whole concert) 95 Excess Living magazine live, Los Angeles (30 min) 97 ? rumored tapes from various European venues ? 98 ? anybody have video from Osnabreuck ? 01 Probably several sources of video for 'Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' 01 ? anybody taking video to 'Inferno' ? 01 ? I'm sure someone will manage to video a gig or two during the US tour ? Of course there's always the 'Three Phase Live' official video too. James > -----Original Message----- > From: scrooge@o... [mailto:scrooge@o...] > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 8:33 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Concert videos > > > I have been trying to find out exactly what > is available on video of TD concerts without > much success. > > I have a couple of very old tapes :- > > Live in Greece 1983and and > a compilation of Munich 1981 & Poland 1983. > > Can anyone help? > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29170 Re: Concert videos Marcel Engels Fri 9/21/2001 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 2:09 pm Subject: taping policy? The AFAIK unwritten policy is 'taper beware'. There seems to have been plenty of 'camera' confiscations--albeit temporary at shepherds bush 2001 from the reports I read on this list. If yer trying to bring in shotgun mics and a mixer, you'll undoubtedly be in for a short TD evening. --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 2:33 pm Subject: Tape to CDR help re old shows - thanks Thanks to all those who responded so quickly from around the world with ideas on this - I've just agreed a large trade for another bands' shows through a different Yahoogroup, but when that's done, I'll try to copy up one of my shows and see how it comes out. Any other hints (preferrably off line) would be gratefully received. If it works, I'll start processing the rest of my collection when time allows, then I'll be ready to trade (or tree if I've got anything obscure that's of interest to a large number of members). Thanks again for the positive response. Toby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29209 Re: Tape to CDR help re old shows - thanks j.gordon Mon 9/24/2001 3 KB 29210 Re: Tape to CDR help re old shows - thanks j.gordon Mon 9/24/2001 2 KB From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 3:07 pm Subject: TD pre Electronic Meditation Spotted in Tower Records, London a TD CD pre EM, which looks like Edgar's previous band (The Ones ? - I'm not certain) but named as TD. Is this a new release or has it just turned up in London ? Has anyone heard it - the track listing suggests it's 'pop' music rather than the the music TD are better known for. Also, does anyone know of a good English language biography of the band. I've seen glorified discographies, but nothing that really goes in to the history of the guys and how they ended up creating probably the most groundbreaking band yet to exist. Toby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29171 Re: TD pre Electronic Meditation Joe Shoults Fri 9/21/2001 3 KB 29174 Re: TD pre Electronic Meditation Owens, James Fri 9/21/2001 4 KB 29205 Re: TD pre Electronic Meditation toby.braddick@u... Mon 9/24/2001 4 KB 29175 Re: TD pre Electronic Meditation Joe Shoults Fri 9/21/2001 5 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 3:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Concert videos > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > > Also in existence: > 75 Coventry Cathedral from BBC with Ricochet overdub (about 30 minutes) > 86 Kansas City, Missouri (whole concert) > 88 Cleveland, Ohio (whole concert) > 90 Werner-Seelenbinder Hall, Berlin (pieces of concert, 50 minutes or so) > 92 Wiltern Theater, Los Angeles (whole concert) > 92 another 92 US concert (Boston ???) (whole concert) > 95 Excess Living magazine live, Los Angeles (30 min) > 97 ? rumored tapes from various European venues ? > 98 ? anybody have video from Osnabreuck ? > 01 Probably several sources of video for 'Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' > 01 ? anybody taking video to 'Inferno' ? > 01 ? I'm sure someone will manage to video a gig or two during > the US tour ? Isn't it sad that there isn't anything before '86 besides the ones mentioned... Why these things don't get released is a mystery to me. Almost every other artist from the 70s has it, but no not TD... Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 4:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD pre Electronic Meditation try the official site at www.tadream.com also www.VOICES-IN-THE-NET.DE > -----Original Message----- > From: toby.braddick@u... [mailto:toby.braddick@u...] > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:08 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TD pre Electronic Meditation > > > Spotted in Tower Records, London a TD CD pre EM, which looks like > Edgar's previous band (The Ones ? - I'm not certain) but named as TD. > > Is this a new release or has it just turned up in London ? Has anyone > heard it - the track listing suggests it's 'pop' music rather > than the > the music TD are better known for. > > Also, does anyone know of a good English language biography of the > band. I've seen glorified discographies, but nothing that really goes > in to the history of the guys and how they ended up creating probably > the most groundbreaking band yet to exist. > > Toby > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 4:16 pm Subject: reminder: Free System Projekt in Philly October 13 Marcel Engels to perform in Philadelphia 13 October 2001 In the Autumn, The Gathering (http://www.thegatherings.org/) will be presenting two of Europe's most interesting artists in electronic sound: Wave World and Free System Projekt. From Holland comes the enigmatic duo of Wave World who offer not only a dynamic concert performance but stunning visuals as well. Also appearing will be Dutch synthesist Marcel Engels heading his Free System Projekt. Joined for this concert by Ruud Heij and Frank vd Wel, Free System Projekt offers classic analogue synthesizer sound and technique. Both Wave World and Free System Projekt are popular attractions on the european festival scene, and will be making their stateside concert debut at the Gathering in Philadelphia on October 13th. Please check back for details as they become available. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29196 Re: reminder: Free System Projekt in Philly Octob vic rek Sun 9/23/2001 3 KB 29200 Re: reminder: Free System Projekt in Philly Octob Michael A Jean Mon 9/24/2001 3 KB 29255 Re: reminder: Free System Projekt in Philly Octob Bill Fox Wed 9/26/2001 2 KB From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 4:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Concert videos 09.12.1981 Munich, Germany - Zirkus Krone - 30:30 (whole concert) 10.12.1983 Warszawa, Torwar - 'PAGART prezentuje Tangerine Dream' - 30:30 (pieces of concert) 31.08.2001 Warszawa, most Swietokrzyski 'The MOST Beautiful Rock for Peace' - 182:00 (whole concert) Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > Also in existence: > 75 Coventry Cathedral from BBC with Ricochet overdub (about 30 minutes) > 86 Kansas City, Missouri (whole concert) > 88 Cleveland, Ohio (whole concert) > 90 Werner-Seelenbinder Hall, Berlin (pieces of concert, 50 minutes or so) > 92 Wiltern Theater, Los Angeles (whole concert) > 92 another 92 US concert (Boston ???) (whole concert) > 95 Excess Living magazine live, Los Angeles (30 min) > 97 ? rumored tapes from various European venues ? > 98 ? anybody have video from Osnabreuck ? > 01 Probably several sources of video for 'Most Beautiful Rock for Peace' > 01 ? anybody taking video to 'Inferno' ? > 01 ? I'm sure someone will manage to video a gig or two during the US tour ? > > Of course there's always the 'Three Phase Live' official video too. > > James > > I have been trying to find out exactly what > > is available on video of TD concerts without > > much success. > > > > I have a couple of very old tapes :- > > > > Live in Greece 1983and and > > a compilation of Munich 1981 & Poland 1983. > > > > Can anyone help? From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 4:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD pre Electronic Meditation I'm guessing you're referring to 'Kaleidoscope'? CD database (www.cddb.com) has this listing: Kaleidoscope / Tangerine Dream Tracks on this CD 1.Kaleidoscope 2.Please Excuse My Face 3.Dive Into Yesterday 4.Mr. Small, The Watch Repairer Man 5.Flight From Ashiya 6.The Murder Of Lewis Tollani 7.(Further Reflections) In The Room Of Percussion 8.Dear Nellie Goodrich 9.Holidaymaker 10.A Lesson Perhaps 11.The Sky Children 12.Flight From Ashiya, Mono Single Version 13.Holiday Maker, Mono Single Mix 14.A Dream For Julie 15.Please Excuse My Face, Mono Single Mix 16.Jenny Artichoke 17.Just How Much You Are It's actually a short-lived band named Kaleidoscope who made an album called 'Tangerine Dream' in about '67. It's standard-fair psychedelic rock from that era, and has NOTHING to do with Edgar Froese and the boys from Berlin. To my knowledge, 'The Ones' only ever produced 1 single, and no full albums. Now, if you've found something else, I'm sure we'd all be very interested in the details :-) James > -----Original Message----- > From: toby.braddick@u... [mailto:toby.braddick@u...] > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 10:08 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TD pre Electronic Meditation > > > Spotted in Tower Records, London a TD CD pre EM, which looks like > Edgar's previous band (The Ones ? - I'm not certain) but named as TD. > > Is this a new release or has it just turned up in London ? Has anyone > heard it - the track listing suggests it's 'pop' music rather > than the > the music TD are better known for. > > Also, does anyone know of a good English language biography of the > band. I've seen glorified discographies, but nothing that really goes > in to the history of the guys and how they ended up creating probably > the most groundbreaking band yet to exist. > > Toby > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29205 Re: TD pre Electronic Meditation toby.braddick@u... Mon 9/24/2001 4 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 5:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD pre Electronic Meditation I corresponde3d with the guy from Kaleidoscope a couple of years ago, and forwarded the info to the list; it should be in the archives. > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:48 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] TD pre Electronic Meditation > > > I'm guessing you're referring to 'Kaleidoscope'? CD database > (www.cddb.com) > has this listing: > Kaleidoscope / Tangerine Dream > Tracks on this CD > > 1.Kaleidoscope > 2.Please Excuse My Face > 3.Dive Into Yesterday > 4.Mr. Small, The Watch Repairer Man > 5.Flight From Ashiya > 6.The Murder Of Lewis Tollani > 7.(Further Reflections) In The Room Of Percussion > 8.Dear Nellie Goodrich > 9.Holidaymaker > 10.A Lesson Perhaps > 11.The Sky Children > 12.Flight From Ashiya, Mono Single Version > 13.Holiday Maker, Mono Single Mix > 14.A Dream For Julie > 15.Please Excuse My Face, Mono Single Mix > 16.Jenny Artichoke > 17.Just How Much You Are > > It's actually a short-lived band named Kaleidoscope who made > an album called > 'Tangerine Dream' in about '67. > It's standard-fair psychedelic rock from that era, and has > NOTHING to do > with Edgar Froese and the boys from Berlin. > > To my knowledge, 'The Ones' only ever produced 1 single, and > no full albums. > Now, if you've found something else, I'm sure we'd all be > very interested in > the details :-) > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: toby.braddick@u... [mailto:toby.braddick@u...] > > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 10:08 AM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] TD pre Electronic Meditation > > > > > > Spotted in Tower Records, London a TD CD pre EM, which looks like > > Edgar's previous band (The Ones ? - I'm not certain) but > named as TD. > > > > Is this a new release or has it just turned up in London ? > Has anyone > > heard it - the track listing suggests it's 'pop' music rather > > than the > > the music TD are better known for. > > > > Also, does anyone know of a good English language biography of the > > band. I've seen glorified discographies, but nothing that > really goes > > in to the history of the guys and how they ended up > creating probably > > the most groundbreaking band yet to exist. > > > > Toby > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 5:32 pm Subject: kaleidoscope/TD connection actually there is a kaleidoscope/TD connection. Anyone know what it is? I'll give the answer later, if no one gets it. :) --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29178 Re: kaleidoscope/TD connection chris towers Fri 9/21/2001 2 KB 29180 Re: kaleidoscope/TD connection Joe Shoults Fri 9/21/2001 3 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 5:59 pm Subject: Detroit Second City: Host to Milli Vanilli On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:47:50 -0400 John McIntyre writes: >>Just curious if THIS is the same Second City? Isn't that >>a COMEDY CLUB? Yes, and how fitting! After all, Eddie 'n Jerry *will* be performing their own version of Milli Vanilli. Ho ho ho. Exit, stage left. -- Steven Feldman --------------------------------------------------------------------- 'I don't give a damn on what the journalists are saying. If some dog pees at a tree, the tree won't fall down!' -- Klaus Kinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: chris towers Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 6:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] kaleidoscope/TD connection I do have a CD by the name of Tangerine Dream by a Band called Kaleidoscope, 60s ish era Chris --- tei waz wrote: > actually there is a kaleidoscope/TD connection. > Anyone know what it is? > I'll give the answer later, if no one gets it. > > > :) > > --T > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 6:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend tracklist Thanks Kevin and Pergamon! :-) Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] kaleidoscope/TD connection well, according to the main guy from Kaleidoscope (can't remember his name), the name of their album 'Tangerine Dream' is purely coincidence, but he also acknowledged that his memory of that time is, shall we say, a bit murky... but you've piqued my interest- maybe the connection is from Edgar's side, as it would appear they were still called 'The Ones' when Kaeidoscpe's album came out. You think that's the real origin of the TD name? > -----Original Message----- > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] ... > actually there is a kaleidoscope/TD connection. Anyone know > what it is? > I'll give the answer later, if no one gets it. > > From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 3:02 am Subject: 'The Keep' auction has ended This is just to inform those who have shown an interest that the e-bay auction for the TDI version of 'The Keep' has been brought to a premature end. On behalf of the person for whom I was selling the CD, thank you to everyone who placed their bids. Ending the auction early is an option which is available to the seller, and unfortunately, when this happens, he/she is under no obligation to sell their item to the highest bidder. So I would like to extend my particular commiserations to whoever had placed the highest bid at the time the auction was brought to an end. Of course, with the auction still having about a week to run, you may well have been outbid, but we'll never know now. I feel it only fair to explain why the auction has been ended early. The reason is that a substantial offer for this CD was e-mailed privately from a serious collector who, as far as this e-mail is concerned, shall of course remain anonymous. This offer was one which the seller simply could not turn down. The bidding in the auction had reached Ł77, but the offer received was way in excess of that. So once again, thanks to everyone concerned, and apologies to anyone left disapointed. - Chris Owen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29184 Re: 'The Keep' auction has ended ampmusic Fri 9/21/2001 3 KB 29189 Re: 'The Keep' auction has ended Michael A Jean Sat 9/22/2001 4 KB 29185 Re: 'The Keep' auction has ended tom807@a... Sat 9/22/2001 2 KB 29188 Re: 'The Keep' auction has ended veine@v... Sat 9/22/2001 4 KB 29190 Re: 'The Keep' auction has ended Utch Entel Sat 9/22/2001 3 KB 29191 Re: 'The Keep' auction has ended vic rek Sat 9/22/2001 3 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Concert videos > Also in existence: > 75 Coventry Cathedral from BBC with Ricochet overdub (about 30 minutes) The first time I saw TD, the program contained an extensive band history. It says that this film was two hours long. Phil. From: ampmusic Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 12:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Concert videos No doubt when it was shot it was two hours long, about the length of the Coventry concert. But as transmitted, it was just long enough to dub on Side 2 of Ricochet and half of Side 1 (guess what, the guitar/drum parts weren't used, because obviously they didn't have any shots with a guitar and drum kit) - which would give you about 30-40 minutes. I will check my copy. Meanwhile a tiny section WITH THE REAL SOUND was included in the director Tony Palmer's pop documentary series 'All You Need Is Love'. Even to fill 30 seconds, it was edited in three distinct parts to give it a bit of movement, because the Coventry concert was SOOOOOOOOOOO slow :-) But I'd be astonished if there's a 2 hour video version anywhere except in Tony Palmer's head :-) Phil Wingfield wrote: > > Also in existence: > > 75 Coventry Cathedral from BBC with Ricochet overdub (about 30 minutes) > > The first time I saw TD, the program contained an extensive band history. It > says that this film was two hours long. > > Phil. > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: ampmusic Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 12:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'The Keep' auction has ended Interesting use of the term 'could not'. After giving the auction such a big build-up, why not let him make his bid on the auction like anyone else, and give those who had been told they had another week to think about it their chance as well? :-) Chris Owen wrote: > This is just to inform those who have shown an interest that the e-bay auction for the TDI version of 'The Keep' has been brought to a premature end. On behalf of the person for whom I was selling the CD, thank you to everyone who placed their bids. Ending the auction early is an option which is available to the seller, and unfortunately, when this happens, he/she is under no obligation to sell their item to the highest bidder. So I would like to extend my particular commiserations to whoever had placed the highest bid at the time the auction was brought to an end. Of course, with the auction still having about a week to run, you may well have been outbid, but we'll never know now. > > I feel it only fair to explain why the auction has been ended early. The reason is that a substantial offer for this CD was e-mailed privately from a serious collector who, as far as this e-mail is concerned, shall of course remain anonymous. This offer was one which the seller simply could not turn down. The bidding in the auction had reached Ł77, but the offer received was way in excess of that. > > So once again, thanks to everyone concerned, and apologies to anyone left disapointed. > > - Chris Owen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29189 Re: 'The Keep' auction has ended Michael A Jean Sat 9/22/2001 4 KB From: tom807@a... Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 12:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'The Keep' auction has ended This has happened with other auctions before. Someone e-mails the sender and makes a very high offer if they end the auction early. Offers like this have been made to a few items I had posted. Of course, I never accepted them, that would be dishonest. Those who make these offers even suggest ways to 'explain' the early end of the auction. Tom Lyle MP3.com - tom807 SoundStage! The $ensible Sound [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: jowers Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 5:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Concert videos With all this talk of videos, has anybody gathered up all the lowest gen. recordings available and put them on VCD or DVD-r? If not, maybe that could be a project for the group to consider. It's happening on several other lists I'm on. Kevin From: scrooge@o... Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 1:52 pm Subject: Concert videos My thanks to all who supplied information. From: veine@v... Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 2:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'The Keep' auction has ended I am also disappointed with the way this ended. As for the amount that it was up to, I was prepared to go much higher then that, but I was waiting for it to get closer to the end of the auction. Personally I think it would have been better to not list the CD at all on ebay ... maybe just selling it by email bid on this list or something... it leaves a bad aftertaste... On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 00:33:19 +0000 ampmusic wrote: >Interesting use of the term 'could not'. After giving the auction such a big build-up, why not let him make his bid on the auction like anyone else, and give those who had been told they had another week to think about it their chance as well? :-) > > >Chris Owen wrote: > >> This is just to inform those who have shown an interest that the e-bay auction for the TDI version of 'The Keep' has been brought to a premature end. On behalf of the person for whom I was selling the CD, thank you to everyone who placed their bids. Ending the auction early is an option which is available to the seller, and unfortunately, when this happens, he/she is under no obligation to sell their item to the highest bidder. So I would like to extend my particular commiserations to whoever had placed the highest bid at the time the auction was brought to an end. Of course, with the auction still having about a week to run, you may well have been outbid, but we'll never know now. >> >> I feel it only fair to explain why the auction has been ended early. The reason is that a substantial offer for this CD was e-mailed privately from a serious collector who, as far as this e-mail is concerned, shall of course remain anonymous. This offer was one which the seller simply could not turn down. The bidding in the auction had reached Ł77, but the offer received was way in excess of that. >> >> So once again, thanks to everyone concerned, and apologies to anyone left disapointed. >> >> - Chris Owen > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Get your firstname@l... email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 3:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'The Keep' auction has ended I have been selling on EBAY for years, and was not aware that an auction item could be withdrawn AFTER bids had been made... I was not a bidder for this item, but I would like to know where the EBAY rules allow for this... The interested person should simply have bid this 'substantial offer' as a bid...ANy losing bidders should file a complaint... Maybe I should sell my copy there! > -----Original Message----- > From: ampmusic [mailto:tadream@a...] > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:33 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] 'The Keep' auction has ended > > > Interesting use of the term 'could not'. After giving the auction > such a big build-up, why not let him make his bid on the auction > like anyone else, and give those who had been told they had > another week to think about it their chance as well? :-) > > > Chris Owen wrote: > > > This is just to inform those who have shown an interest that > the e-bay auction for the TDI version of 'The Keep' has been > brought to a premature end. On behalf of the person for whom I > was selling the CD, thank you to everyone who placed their bids. > Ending the auction early is an option which is available to the > seller, and unfortunately, when this happens, he/she is under no > obligation to sell their item to the highest bidder. So I would > like to extend my particular commiserations to whoever had placed > the highest bid at the time the auction was brought to an end. Of > course, with the auction still having about a week to run, you > may well have been outbid, but we'll never know now. > > > > I feel it only fair to explain why the auction has been ended > early. The reason is that a substantial offer for this CD was > e-mailed privately from a serious collector who, as far as this > e-mail is concerned, shall of course remain anonymous. This offer > was one which the seller simply could not turn down. The bidding > in the auction had reached Ł77, but the offer received was way in > excess of that. > > > > So once again, thanks to everyone concerned, and apologies to > anyone left disapointed. > > > > - Chris Owen > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 4:46 pm Subject: Re: 'The Keep' auction has ended Hi, Everyone! There definitely is not enough 'The Keep' to go around, so if there is anyone else out there looking to get rid of an original copy I am sure that I am not the only one that would like to hear about it... ...that is, if you think you might prefer a trade rather than the highest bid on ebay... ...Utch On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:02:59 -0700, Chris Owen wrote: >This is just to inform those who have shown an interest that the e-bay auction for the TDI version of 'The Keep' has been brought to a premature end. On behalf of the person for whom I was selling the CD, thank you to everyone who placed their bids. Ending the auction early is an option which is available to the seller, and unfortunately, when this happens, he/she is under no obligation to sell their item to the highest bidder. So I would like to extend my particular commiserations to whoever had placed the highest bid at the time the auction was brought to an end. Of course, with the auction still having about a week to run, you may well have been outbid, but we'll never know now. > >I feel it only fair to explain why the auction has been ended early. The reason is that a substantial offer for this CD was e-mailed privately from a serious collector who, as far as this e-mail is concerned, shall of course remain anonymous. This offer was one which the seller simply could not turn down. The bidding in the auction had reached ś77, but the offer received was way in excess of that. > >So once again, thanks to everyone concerned, and apologies to anyone left disapointed. > >- Chris Owen From: vic rek Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'The Keep' auction has ended I recall a practice whereby you would place a minimum bid just to keep the item on the auction blocks in order to prevent 'backdoor' bidding. You may wish to convince a seller to end the auction early if there are no bids, but in closing an auction after bids have been placed would undermine the principle of the auction itself. And most of the higest bidding usually occurs in the last few hours (if not minutes) of the auction conclusion. tom807@a... wrote: > This has happened with other auctions before. Someone e-mails the sender and > makes a very high offer if they end the auction early. Offers like this have > been made to a few items I had posted. Of course, I never accepted them, that > would be dishonest. Those who make these offers even suggest ways to > 'explain' the early end of the auction. > > Tom Lyle > MP3.com - tom807 > SoundStage! > The $ensible Sound > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 6:32 pm Subject: Post Franke Which post-Franke albums should I go for? I already have 4: Melrose, 220 Volt, Goblins Club and Mars Polaris. My fav pieces from these are: 3 Bikes In The Sky Electric Lion Desert Train Cool at Heart - Oriental Haze Two Bunch Palms Treasure of Innocence - Towards the Evening Star Rising Haul In Silence Lamb with Radar Eyes Elf June and the Midnight Patrol Sad Merlin's Sunday - Outland So what would you recommend? I've myself been considering primarily Optical Race... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29193 Re: Post Franke Gary Jenkins Sun 9/23/2001 3 KB 29194 Re: Post Franke ohmss761@c... Sun 9/23/2001 2 KB 29198 Re: Post Franke Frank Arellano Sun 9/23/2001 3 KB 29203 Re: Post Franke rubyconist@y... Mon 9/24/2001 2 KB 29208 Re: Post Franke gmroger@p... Mon 9/24/2001 3 KB 29211 Re: Post Franke Michal Moroz Mon 9/24/2001 2 KB 29213 Re: Post Franke Matthew Stringer Mon 9/24/2001 2 KB 29220 Re: Post Franke Owens, James Mon 9/24/2001 2 KB 29222 Re: Post Franke horrod6 Mon 9/24/2001 3 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 7:03 am Subject: Re: Post Franke --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > Which post-Franke albums should I go for? I already have 4: Melrose, 220 > Volt, Goblins Club and Mars Polaris. > Hi John You have similar tastes to me looking at the tracks you like,Optical race or Lily on the Beach both have strong and weakpoints but in my opinion even though it is a soundtrack Oasis is excellent if you can afford buy all three. Cheers Gary > My fav pieces from these are: > > 3 Bikes In The Sky > Electric Lion > Desert Train > Cool at Heart > - > Oriental Haze > Two Bunch Palms > Treasure of Innocence > - > Towards the Evening Star > Rising Haul In Silence > Lamb with Radar Eyes > Elf June and the Midnight Patrol > Sad Merlin's Sunday > - > Outland > > So what would you recommend? I've myself been considering primarily Optical > Race... > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: ohmss761@c... Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 9:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Post Franke Hello all...I'm new to this list, and am looking forward to the discussion! I wanted to add that most of Oasis is very good.....especially the second track! I play that one on repeat endlessly. The bass synth ostinato recalls the TD of old...not that the new incarnation is bad, just different. I go through phases myself where I love Edgar and Jerome's albums, and others where I have to go back to the old 'Virgin Years'. Does anyone else flip flop that way at all ? Or is it one style or another all the time? Looking forward to hearing from you all! NP:Green Desert **** Best, Sean [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:44 pm Subject: Tickets for 2nd Bernau show available Hi, some friends have decided not to go to the Bernau show on Oct., 7th. Thus, I have three tickets left for the second show (23.00, 11 p.m.), row 8, center. I am willing to give them away for the original price (85 DM, 40 US-$). Please contact me off-list. Peter Stoeferle peter.stoeferle@t... From: vic rek Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 3:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] reminder: Free System Projekt in Philly October 13 I recommend that anyone having the opportunity to attend this gig should go. Free System Projekt cannot be missed. Joe Shoults wrote: > Marcel Engels to perform in Philadelphia 13 October 2001 > > In the Autumn, The Gathering (http://www.thegatherings.org/) will be > presenting two of Europe's most interesting artists in electronic sound: > Wave World and Free System Projekt. From Holland comes the enigmatic duo of > Wave World who offer not only a dynamic concert performance but stunning > visuals as well. Also appearing will be Dutch synthesist Marcel Engels > heading his Free System Projekt. Joined for this concert by Ruud Heij and > Frank vd Wel, Free System Projekt offers classic analogue synthesizer sound > and technique. Both Wave World and Free System Projekt are popular > attractions on the european festival scene, and will be making their > stateside concert debut at the Gathering in Philadelphia on October 13th. > Please check back for details as they become available. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29200 Re: reminder: Free System Projekt in Philly Octob Michael A Jean Mon 9/24/2001 3 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze -----Original Message----- From: Thenite0wl@a... To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze >Me again, so sooon.. >Even if I'm wrong on that one, .I've just remembered how damn good Nick and >Poly's recommondation's are... >Come on Bill.. give your listeners a special treat..... > Play the whole album. Gotta leave 'em wantin' more! I played Stardancer II. Thanks for the input folks! Cheers, Bill From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Post Franke No doubt as far as 'Oasis' is concerned. I happen to like 'Quinoa' and 'Tournado' too. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gary Jenkins' To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 1:03 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Post Franke > --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > > Which post-Franke albums should I go for? I already have 4: > Melrose, 220 > > Volt, Goblins Club and Mars Polaris. > > > Hi John You have similar tastes to me looking at the tracks you > like,Optical race or Lily on the Beach both have strong and > weakpoints but in my opinion even though it is a soundtrack Oasis is > excellent if you can afford buy all three. > Cheers Gary > > > > > > > > My fav pieces from these are: > > > > 3 Bikes In The Sky > > Electric Lion > > Desert Train > > Cool at Heart > > - > > Oriental Haze > > Two Bunch Palms > > Treasure of Innocence > > - > > Towards the Evening Star > > Rising Haul In Silence > > Lamb with Radar Eyes > > Elf June and the Midnight Patrol > > Sad Merlin's Sunday > > - > > Outland > > > > So what would you recommend? I've myself been considering primarily > Optical > > Race... > > > > John Vertical > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'david' Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:53 pm Subject: gathering oct 13/tan dream at TLA i have been to a few of the gatherings in philadelphia and plan to attend on saturday oct 13 to see free system project. i just saw in the philadelphia inquirer that tan dream is playing the next saturday {oct 30} in phila at the TLA. never seen them life. i love the virgin years especially the long compositons phaaedra,rubycon and richochet. do they much of that in their concerts or is it more of the nineties stuff. if anybody is coming to the show and wants to hang out let me know. i live near the venues and i make a mean TV dinner for my guests. dwruckly@y... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29201 Re: gathering oct 13/tan dream at TLA Vince LeGrand Mon 9/24/2001 3 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 1:46 am Subject: RE: [tadream] reminder: Free System Projekt in Philly October 13 I for one am planning to go...Anyone else? MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 10:46 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] reminder: Free System Projekt in Philly October > 13 > > > I recommend that anyone having the opportunity to attend this gig > should go. > Free System Projekt cannot be missed. > > Joe Shoults wrote: > > > Marcel Engels to perform in Philadelphia 13 October 2001 > > > > In the Autumn, The Gathering (http://www.thegatherings.org/) will be > > presenting two of Europe's most interesting artists in electronic sound: > > Wave World and Free System Projekt. From Holland comes the > enigmatic duo of > > Wave World who offer not only a dynamic concert performance but stunning > > visuals as well. Also appearing will be Dutch synthesist Marcel Engels > > heading his Free System Projekt. Joined for this concert by > Ruud Heij and > > Frank vd Wel, Free System Projekt offers classic analogue > synthesizer sound > > and technique. Both Wave World and Free System Projekt are popular > > attractions on the european festival scene, and will be making their > > stateside concert debut at the Gathering in Philadelphia on > October 13th. > > Please check back for details as they become available. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 1:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] gathering oct 13/tan dream at TLA -----Original Message----- From: david To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 23, 2001 7:53 PM Subject: [tadream] gathering oct 13/tan dream at TLA >i have been to a few of the gatherings in philadelphia and plan to >attend on saturday oct 13 to see free system project. i just saw in >the philadelphia inquirer that tan dream is playing the next saturday >{oct 30} in phila at the TLA. never seen them life. i love the virgin >years especially the long compositons phaaedra,rubycon and richochet. >do they much of that in their concerts or is it more of the nineties >stuff. if anybody is coming to the show and wants to hang out let me >know. i live near the venues and i make a mean TV dinner for my >guests. dwruckly@y... > I am planning to attend both the Gatherings and the TD show. Will probably be bringing the wife and some of the kids. I know the TLA serves alcohol. Anyone know if under 21's are OK for the TD show? Vince From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 7:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Toulouse (France) under attack too ? Hi >And that's the day I choosed to come back in toulouse (I work in Paris)... Now I have to stay home because of possible toxic clouds... >But wasn't it just an accident? Currently the investigations leads to two hypothesis. First the accident by human error. But as the 'nitrate d'amonium' (don't know the english word) needs a lot of conditions to explode the criminal way is now the primary hypothesis. The south of the city is hardly damaged and we have unfortunately some victims. We have to rebuild now Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: rubyconist@y... Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 7:55 am Subject: Re: Post Franke --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > Which post-Franke albums should I go for? I already have 4: Melrose, 220 > Volt, Goblins Club and Mars Polaris. > > My fav pieces from these are: > > 3 Bikes In The Sky > Electric Lion > Desert Train > Cool at Heart > - > Oriental Haze > Two Bunch Palms > Treasure of Innocence > - > Towards the Evening Star > Rising Haul In Silence > Lamb with Radar Eyes > Elf June and the Midnight Patrol > Sad Merlin's Sunday > - > Outland > > So what would you recommend? I've myself been considering primarily Optical > Race... > > John Vertical I just have Mars Polaris and The Great Wall of China, as you all know. All my favorites are from Mars Polaris. Comets Figure head is excellent! Regards, TheInfection From: rubyconist@y... Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 8:05 am Subject: Movie scores This is a way off topic for this forum, but I don't give a damn. I'm sure that one of you collects fine movie scores from different composers, as I do. But of course, no one isn't perfect. Few cd's from my collection. If this thread grows, I will list all of my cd's. (John Williams) Jurassic Park The Lost World Jurassic Park 3 (Hans Zimmer) The Rock Gladiator Pearl Harbor (Danny Elfman) Batman Planet of the Apes (Christopher Franke) Babylon 5 Vol. 1 & Vol. 2 Babylon 5: In the Beginning B5 Episode CDs: The War Without End Part 2 Objects At Rest (Vangelis) Blade Runner 1942 - Conquest of the Paradise Regards, TheInfection Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29206 OT: Does anyone know of any good Vangelis lists? Matthew Stringer Mon 9/24/2001 2 KB 29230 Re: Movie scores ohmss761@c... Tue 9/25/2001 2 KB 29233 Re: Movie scores Robert Grabowsky Tue 9/25/2001 2 KB 29237 Re: Movie scores rubyconist@y... Tue 9/25/2001 2 KB 29236 Re: Movie scores rubyconist@y... Tue 9/25/2001 2 KB 29241 Re: Movie scores chris towers Tue 9/25/2001 3 KB 29243 Re: Movie scores Owens, James Tue 9/25/2001 3 KB 29244 Re: Movie scores quarlie@a... Tue 9/25/2001 2 KB 29249 Re: Movie scores Deb H-J Tue 9/25/2001 2 KB From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 8:22 am Subject: Re: TD pre Electronic Meditation Many thanks for the info that you've all put up on this. I'll try to get back to the shop today with a notebook so I can get the exact details. If it looks of interest, I'll do a fresh posting so all interested can go for it. Otherwise, assume it was in the wrong rack. Cheers Toby --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > I'm guessing you're referring to 'Kaleidoscope'? CD database (www.cddb.com) > has this listing: > Kaleidoscope / Tangerine Dream > Tracks on this CD > > 1.Kaleidoscope > 2.Please Excuse My Face > 3.Dive Into Yesterday > 4.Mr. Small, The Watch Repairer Man > 5.Flight From Ashiya > 6.The Murder Of Lewis Tollani > 7.(Further Reflections) In The Room Of Percussion > 8.Dear Nellie Goodrich > 9.Holidaymaker > 10.A Lesson Perhaps > 11.The Sky Children > 12.Flight From Ashiya, Mono Single Version > 13.Holiday Maker, Mono Single Mix > 14.A Dream For Julie > 15.Please Excuse My Face, Mono Single Mix > 16.Jenny Artichoke > 17.Just How Much You Are > > It's actually a short-lived band named Kaleidoscope who made an album called > 'Tangerine Dream' in about '67. > It's standard-fair psychedelic rock from that era, and has NOTHING to do > with Edgar Froese and the boys from Berlin. > > To my knowledge, 'The Ones' only ever produced 1 single, and no full albums. > Now, if you've found something else, I'm sure we'd all be very interested in > the details :-) > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: toby.braddick@u... [mailto:toby.braddick@u...] > > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 10:08 AM > > To: tadream@y... > > Subject: [tadream] TD pre Electronic Meditation > > > > > > Spotted in Tower Records, London a TD CD pre EM, which looks like > > Edgar's previous band (The Ones ? - I'm not certain) but named as TD. > > > > Is this a new release or has it just turned up in London ? Has anyone > > heard it - the track listing suggests it's 'pop' music rather > > than the > > the music TD are better known for. > > > > Also, does anyone know of a good English language biography of the > > band. I've seen glorified discographies, but nothing that really goes > > in to the history of the guys and how they ended up creating probably > > the most groundbreaking band yet to exist. > > > > Toby > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 8:29 am Subject: OT: Does anyone know of any good Vangelis lists? It's quite hard to find anything about this dude and his website has been 'comming soon' for the last 150 years! Matt From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 8:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Does anyone know of any good Vangelis lists? > It's quite hard to find anything about this dude and his website has been > 'comming soon' for the last 150 years! LOL! This reminds me of Jerome's site. If there would be an award for the longest 'under construction' site I fear that his page would be a hot contestant :-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29212 Re: OT: Does anyone know of any good Vangelis lis Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Mon 9/24/2001 2 KB 29216 Vangelis lists? Michael A Jean Mon 9/24/2001 3 KB From: gmroger@p... Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 9:36 am Subject: Re: Post Franke > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:32:05 +0300 > From: 'John Vertical' > Subject: Post Franke > > Which post-Franke albums should I go for? I already have 4: Melrose, 220 > Volt, Goblins Club and Mars Polaris. > > My fav pieces from these are: > > 3 Bikes In The Sky > Electric Lion > Desert Train > Cool at Heart > - > Oriental Haze > Two Bunch Palms > Treasure of Innocence > - > Towards the Evening Star > Rising Haul In Silence > Lamb with Radar Eyes > Elf June and the Midnight Patrol > Sad Merlin's Sunday > - > Outland > > So what would you recommend? I've myself been considering primarily Optical > Race... > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Assuming that you're not going all-out for the complete post-Franke collection (which is still a considerable number of albums), the ones I'd go for are Turn of the Tides, Tournado, What A Blast!, All three Dream Mixes and Miracle Mile. The early F/F studio albums are very hit and miss (save for TOTT), 'Rockoon' having much more of a 'rock' feel than EM, and 'Tyranny of Beauty', save for 'Catwalk', is void of melody and inspiration (listen to the Dream Mixes version of 'Little Blonde' to hear how it should have been done). I've no doubt that many will disagree! Roger Hartopp -- Wygraj 2 dni extra dostepu do Big Brother nie daj sie innym wyprzedzic [ http://bigbrother.onet.pl/platnosci_info.html ] From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 9:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tape to CDR help re old shows - thanks hi, toby... i'd love to see some of the hints and tips that were passed on... i'm also making a move to transfer some stuff from tape to cdr... if you'd be willing... thanks... jerome --- toby.braddick@u... wrote: > Thanks to all those who responded so quickly from around the world > with ideas on this - I've just agreed a large trade for another bands' > shows through a different Yahoogroup, but when that's done, I'll try > to copy up one of my shows and see how it comes out. Any other hints > (preferrably off line) would be gratefully received. > > If it works, I'll start processing the rest of my collection > when time allows, then I'll be ready to trade (or tree if I've > got anything obscure that's of interest to a large number of members). > > Thanks again for the positive response. > Toby > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 10:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tape to CDR help re old shows - thanks sorry... meant to be off list... j __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 9:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Post Franke From the post Franke albums I like Dead Solid Perfect OST - it is post Franke, isn't it? :) Destination Berlin Mars Polaris Goblin's Club there aren't many albums here. station_mir _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29213 Re: Post Franke Matthew Stringer Mon 9/24/2001 2 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 10:13 am Subject: Re: OT: Does anyone know of any good Vangelis lists? >It's quite hard to find anything about this dude and his website has been >'comming soon' for the last 150 years! > >Matt The 'Elsewhere' Vangelis site is always on top of any news or rumors and is a great source for any Vangelis-info. Last update; yesterday... http://www.elsew.com/ Rolf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29216 Vangelis lists? Michael A Jean Mon 9/24/2001 3 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 10:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Post Franke On Monday 24 September 2001 10:57 am, you wrote: > From the post Franke albums I like > Dead Solid Perfect OST - it is post Franke, isn't it? :) No. Sorry Post Franke I like Melrose and TotT best. GC, MP and Quinoa least From: 'Scott' Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 10:31 am Subject: Re: Concert videos & '71-ish recordings Two posts for the price of one! The Cleveland '88 video is NOT Cleveland! The Cleveland show was an outdoor venue, and the video that purports to be Cleveland is indoor. Perhaps I'll try to figure out where it's from... I collected some short, old pieces I had on various tapes, cleaned them up and put them on two CD-R's in a collection I call 'Ancient Dreams.' The contents are: Ossiach '71, Frankfurt '71, Klang collage radio show from '71 or '72 , ARD-Jugend Magazin from '72, Berlin '73, and Oedipus Tyrranus from '74. Pehaps a tree is in order? Scott From: 'koulos' Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:21 pm Subject: green desert + OT hiz since i heard someone refering to green desert i want some info for this marvellous album it is my favorite one and i am wondering in witch bootlegs can one find parts of it [i mean good and big parts of it ] i am in a dillema as matter as it conserns my endering in the world of bootlegs [mainly conserning the fact that since i have nothing to trade to, it will cost me enought to get started] anyway i would like to find out witch bootlegs contain extracts of green desert [if any] now to the OT part of this mail there is a strange site i found with a little game insipred by the attack [was it war as G. Bush and CNN claims or terrorist act?] in the USA days ago. [ i am along those that says no inocent man [or woman] need to be killed in a way just to put USA soldiers in the borders of China] anyway enough this is a fun game sorry for the politcis it'll never happen again [at least only off-list] the site for the game is http://www.localhost.nl/~seth/binladen_vs_baddudes.swf and it is online game [nothing to download] kostas from hot athens [35 C in the end of september ] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 12:31 pm Subject: Vangelis lists? I believe there is a link to the Vangelis webring there as well... HE has a new CD coming out this month or next... I also heard something about a 2 -disc version of Antarctica? CAn anyone confirm this? MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Rolf Elfström [mailto:rcade@r...] > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 5:14 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: OT: Does anyone know of any good Vangelis lists? > > > > >It's quite hard to find anything about this dude and his website has been > >'comming soon' for the last 150 years! > > > >Matt > > The 'Elsewhere' Vangelis site is always on top of any news or rumors and > is a great source for any Vangelis-info. Last update; yesterday... > > http://www.elsew.com/ > > Rolf > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 1:59 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] 'The Keep' auction has ended so he ended it early. big deal. He could have probably made a lot more money so it's his own dumb fault, and he has every right to be dumb (read ebay's rules!). But I'm saying this for one main reason: This thread is no longer about the auction or the item itself or even TD; it is about *what happened* (or didn't). There was nothing unethical or illegal (not that that would justify the thread anyway), an not necessary to discuss here (please). Thanks, Joe > -----Original Message----- > I am also disappointed with the way this ended. As for the > amount that it was > up to, I was prepared to go much higher then that, but I was > waiting for it to > get closer to the end of the auction. Personally I think it > would have been ... > -----Original Message----- > been made to a few items I had posted. Of course, I never > accepted them, that would be dishonest. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29218 TD in St. Pete FL 10/14/01 Robert Grabowsky Mon 9/24/2001 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 2:51 pm Subject: TD in St. Pete FL 10/14/01 Hello all, If anyone besides my self is planning to go to the TD concert at Jannus Landing in St. Pete, FL and would like to get together, please contact me OFFLIST. I have bought the Gold Circle Ticket it is listed as VIP section and cost no more than the Regular high price ticket. It seems so far that the FL dates have the highest ticket prices. (Guess Fat Harry [Productions] is trying to get fatter) You will not be able to contact Jannus Landing for info on the Gold Circle, but as far as I am told by one of the local record stores who sells tickets for Jannus Landing, it will be a roped off section near the stage that the band will go thru to get to the stage and maybe a possible meet and greet. Hope to see some of you there, THE HIGHLANDER From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 4:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Concert videos Morgan and I tried this about 2 years ago. It's just VERY difficult to get low-gen stuff, and some of what we did get was still in PAL format. He tried to pull it in directly, but wasn't able to find a player to play them on. I now have a system that might be capable of doing the NTSC tapes, but Morgan still has my tapes... I'd be willing to give it a shot with what I've got, but many of those are high-gen and/or transfers from PAL. In many cases the originals weren't all that great (from what I've been told) so what can be done? James > -----Original Message----- > From: jowers [mailto:jowers@t...] > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 12:09 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Concert videos > > > With all this talk of videos, has anybody gathered up all the > lowest gen. > recordings available and put them on VCD or DVD-r? If not, > maybe that could > be a project for the group to consider. It's happening on > several other > lists I'm on. > > Kevin From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 4:37 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Post Franke Get Oasis definitely. And others will argue with this, but I think Lily on the Beach is a must have. (If only for Too Hot for MY Chinchilla, 29 Palms, and Radio City - Jerome's first outing with TD). And What A Blast seems to be more or less universally popular. James > -----Original Message----- > Which post-Franke albums should I go for? I already have 4: > Melrose, 220 > Volt, Goblins Club and Mars Polaris. From: gyedid@p... Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 4:43 pm Subject: decisions, decisions OK gang, I'm sitting here looking at the TDI page, trying to decide which show I'd like to see. I live in Lansing, MI now, so the closest cities would be Detroit, Cleveland, and Chicago. Could any listmembers who live in those respective cities please tell me which is the best venue to catch them at (if you know them?) I'm already a little biased against Detroit (even though it's closest to Lansing), given that the city has such a poor reputation; I'd like to leave with my car and all my body parts intact... I'm also a little apprehensive about sinking any cash into this at all...I know this is the first time in 9 years that TD has toured North America, and, on the surface, seeing TD and Depeche Mode in one year sounds like a real coup. :) Now, I didn't know what to expect from DM, but they have proven they can still put on a great live show. That's not the case with TD. I already have this feeling that I'd be going to see them just for the sake of having seen them once in my life. I've seen plenty of (very well described) so-so and negative reviews of their shows come in over the past few years, which alone gives me the impression that I wouldn't be in for anything near an uplifting concert experience. This is especially so given that the setlist will likely be heavily weighted with tunes from DM3, an album that I was more than a little disappointed with. So, please give me a hand here. Which is the best place to see them? And is it still worth it? cheers, Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29226 Re: decisions, decisions Joe Shoults Mon 9/24/2001 5 KB From: horrod6 Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 5:48 pm Subject: RE: Post Franke Sean wrote: 'I go through phases myself where I love Edgar and Jerome's albums, and others where I have to go back to the old 'Virgin Years'. Does anyone else flip flop that way at all ? Or is it one style or another all the time?' Hi Sean, welcome to the list. I like both old and new stuff, and whenever I do a top ten or answer the question 'which is your favourite whatever?', I always say that's my answer at the moment when I press send, but it may all be changed tomorrow. But it's true, if I'm, say, in the mood to listen to 'Phaedra' I'm more likely to follow it up with 'Force Majeure' than 'What a Blast', and conversely, more likely to play 'Mars Polaris' after '220 volts' than 'Cyclone'. But even that isn't hard and fast. So I guess the answer to your question is 'Yes, usually, but my answer may be subject to change tomorrow.' LnH Marion From: gmroger@p... Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 5:40 pm Subject: Re: Post Franke On 24 Sep 2001, at 10:38, tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Message: 19 > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:30:07 +0100 > From: Matthew Stringer > Subject: Re: Re: Post Franke > > On Monday 24 September 2001 10:57 am, you wrote: > > From the post Franke albums I like > > Dead Solid Perfect OST - it is post Franke, isn't it? :) > > No. > > Sorry > > Post Franke I like Melrose and TotT best. > > GC, MP and Quinoa least Dead Solid Perfect is post-Franke. The film was released in 1989, so it has to be the case. What is not clear is who actually performed and wrote the tracks on the disc as it was released without Edgar's blessing and is only credited to Tangerine Dream. It is, however, widely believed to be Edgar Froese and Paul Haslinger. But not liking Mars Polaris and Goblins' club??!!?? Roger Hartopp -- Wygraj 2 dni extra dostepu do Big Brother nie daj sie innym wyprzedzic [ http://bigbrother.onet.pl/platnosci_info.html ] From: gmroger@p... Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 5:40 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales I've just received 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' in the post (thanks for that, Paul!) and, not actually having slapped a disc in yet, I have to say that I'm quite impressed with the sleeve notes. I assume these notes are standard to the discs. Knowing I was expecting basically 2CDR's in the post, I wasn't really expecting much in the way of packaging. But one has to be said that it's been very professionally put together considering everything is a laser print. I must congratulate everybody concerned, namely Darklion and Yannick Edom, plus Joel Mullen for the original idea. IF I had to have one quibble about the packaging (and considering the effort put into it, it really is 'picking fleas' so to speak, and that is the track listings and information should have gone through a native speaker - as an English Teacher here in Poland, I noticed some familiar grammatical errors made by students. But, hey - your English is considerably better than my (and most native English speakers') French (and Polish for that matter)! The sleeve know totally whets my appetite for the two discs ahead...! Roger Hartopp -- Wygraj 2 dni extra dostepu do Big Brother nie daj sie innym wyprzedzic [ http://bigbrother.onet.pl/platnosci_info.html ] From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 2:16 am Subject: 'The Keep' CD - the last word Last word on the 'The Keep' ebay debate/thread.....please!! Following the recent comments on this matter, I feel I need to reiterate something I said in my post following the closure of the auction. I was merely acting as a conduit in the selling of 'The Keep'; for a good friend of mine who has no means of internet access. He came with me to the Manchester 1997 concert, and bought this copy for himself as a memento. He admires TD very much, but is not a fan by any means, nor is he a member of this list. So any criticisms aimed at the actual seller of the CD are completely pointless, as they will not reach the person to whom they are intended. When he initially approaced me to sell the CD on his behalf using the internet, my first suggestion was indeed to place a post on this very mailing list, inviting offers from anyone who may be interested. I told him he would be reaching the ideal target audience, and that he should get a good price this way. Someone on this list complained that this would have been a better way of selling it, to which I wholeheartedly agree. If this had been my own CD, this is how I would have tried to sell it. But after weighing up his options, he decided to place an advert on ebay, hoping that by auctioning the CD on there, it might fetch a higher price. It was, after all, his decision to make and not mine. To Joe Shoults, thanks for your comments Joe, and I realise the context in which they were made, but as I have stressed, the person you might have called 'dumb' (the seller) will not have the opportunity to read yours (or anyone else's) posts on this or any other TD-related matter. I guess quite a few people just seemed annoyed or frustrated by the fact that the auction was brought to a premature end, and I can fully understand them. But again, this decision had nothing to do with me, but was decided by the seller, after I had received an offer for the CD by private e-mail. Yes, it's possible the bidding in the auction might have exceeded the offer, but then again, maybe not. I guess we'll never know. The offer was a very high one; one which my friend, in his present financial position, could not afford to turn down. The only observation I will make on the whole situation, is that the person who e-mailed me with his offer has been rewarded for his initiative; an inititive which everyone had the opportunity to take, but didn't. He saw the auction just like everyone else, but took some very positive action in order to secure the CD for himself. After placing the e-bay link on this mailing list, I half expected to receive lots of private offers like this, but after three days, only one had come in. I know this may be an unethical way to win/buy the CD, but it's entirely within ebay's codes of practice to end an auction early, simply by cancelling all bids and announcing the item is no longer for sale. The seller instructed me to do this, and to accept the offer. It was also his idea to place the post on this list thanking everyone for their interest. Sorry to ramble on for so long, but I felt a few things needed clarification, particluarly my part in the selling of the CD. For the record, unless I fell into abject poverty, I would never dream of selling my own copy as it is signed by Edgar! Thanks for listening, and dream on, - Chris Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Shoults To: 'Chris Owen' Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:03 AM Subject: FW: RE: [tadream] 'The Keep' auction has ended > In case this message sounded wrong, I'm not calling you 'dumb', but > defending your right to be ;-), and the fact that you did nothing wrong. > Sometimes people just want to whine about anything. Damn liberals. > > But yes, I think you probably could have gotten a lot more for the item than > you did... > > Joe > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 10:00 AM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] 'The Keep' auction has ended > > > so he ended it early. big deal. He could have probably made a lot more > money so it's his own dumb fault, and he has every right to be dumb (read > ebay's rules!). > > But I'm saying this for one main reason: This thread is no longer about the > auction or the item itself or even TD; it is about *what happened* (or > didn't). There was nothing unethical or illegal (not that that would > justify the thread anyway), an not necessary to discuss here (please). > > Thanks, > Joe > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > I am also disappointed with the way this ended. As for the > > amount that it was > > up to, I was prepared to go much higher then that, but I was > > waiting for it to > > get closer to the end of the auction. Personally I think it > > would have been ... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > been made to a few items I had posted. Of course, I never > > accepted them, that would be dishonest. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29229 Re: 'The Keep' CD - the last word vic rek Mon 9/24/2001 3 KB 29240 Re: 'The Keep' CD - the last word chris towers Tue 9/25/2001 4 KB 29231 Re: 'The Keep' CD - the last word ampmusic Tue 9/25/2001 6 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 6:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] decisions, decisions well, the cleveland venue (Odeon) is not exactly the best site they've ever chosen here. But I think the idea is that TD would like for people to dance or something. Not sure if that happened at SBE or Poland (were people dancing?). I'm a geek and I don't dance. Sorry. you have to get me really drunk and beer isn't even strong enough. something crazy like tequila or whiskey (I actually karaoked once, really drunk on whiskey). Then I might not notice bouncing on a concrete floor for a couple of hours. oh- and I used to dance at Grateful Dead shows, but that's a whole other universe of circumstances there... oh, but back to your question... Having visited there twice this summer on business, I know Detroit is such a wasteland that I'd be scared to wander outside the lit, beaten paths downtown after dark, but you're probably OK, if you park on the facility's lot if they have one. There is a ton of construction in that part of downtown Detroit right now, so you had better make sure you are there plenty early to get a good parking spot. You might consider parking somewhere safe (the 'Greektown' casino parking lot?) and just taking a cab to/from Second City. Detroit is weird - they have an Opera House with really nice architecture right next to run-down hellholes in the theater district. I don't remember what Second City looks like. I give them credit for trying, but they have a long way to go yet. also, Detroit is notorious for violence and raining bullets on Halloween. TD is the day after Haloween, so I don't know if there would be any residual post-Hell Night shenanigans. Location info: http://www.secondcity.com/01_02.asp?pid=01_02_06 Cleveland, OTOH, is pretty safe at the Odeon. It's almost at the end of the street with a lot of bars night clubs and strip joints (but not as seedy as that may sound). It's kind of like the 'party street' in cleveland, part of a formerly-warehouse district known as 'The Flats'. Well actually, it still IS called 'The Warehouse District' and there are still mostly warehouses there, but most people think of the entertainment aspects when you say 'The Flats'. it's actually a pretty neat place, and since it is a Tuesday night, you probably won't have trouble finding parking on the street next to the Odeon. If you like cool bridges and 100-year-old architecture, you might want to arrive early just to sight-see. A river runs through it, separating the east & west sides of the city, with some of the Flats on both sides. More info on the Odeon: http://cleveland.citysearch.com/profile?id=7984899 Odeon Cleveland, OH Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:00PM $23.50 I don't know about Chicago. > -----Original Message----- > From: gyedid@p... [mailto:gyedid@p...] ... > I live in Lansing, MI now, so the closest cities would be > Detroit, Cleveland, and Chicago. > Could any listmembers who live in those respective cities > please tell me which is the best venue From: 'Scott' Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 7:59 pm Subject: Re: Post Franke I'd definitely get Oasis, plus I like Optical Race and Lily as well, but be warned, as they are not for all tastes. As many people hate them as like them. I also like Tournado and Valentine Wheels. Scott NP: moe. - No Doy From: 'Scott' Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 8:28 pm Subject: Setlist list Someone once sent me the URL of a site that listed all TD setlists, but now I can't seem to find it. Can someone help me out? Thanks. Scott From: vic rek Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 11:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'The Keep' CD - the last word > Last word on the 'The Keep' ebay debate/thread.....please!! I need to add something to this discussion, even if the list owner has some objections... And if the list owner wants to object to this thread, then he should not add his '2 cents' to the topic either - right Joe? ;-) > > The only observation I will make on the whole situation, is that the person > who e-mailed me with his offer has been rewarded for his initiative; an > inititive which everyone had the opportunity to take, but didn't. He saw the > auction just like everyone else, but took some very positive action in order > to secure the CD for himself. I believe this is NOT allowed on eBay based upon the reason given. The following is stated on eBay: End the Auction Early You may miss out on just the bid you've been waiting for if you end your auction early. Still, there may be times when you have a valid reason to end an auction early. You may end your auction if you decide not to sell the item. To do this, you must choose the option to cancel all bids on your auction. You may also choose the option to sell to the high bidder. It is clear that you cannot end an auction to sell the item to someone else (this is unethical), unless that person is the high bidder. Either no one gets the item or the high bidder does. It clearly states that you can end the auction 'if you decide not to sell the item'. Well, in this case, the item was sold and not to the high bidder in the auction - a violation. So let's not think what happened was OK and that people should expect to conduct auctions this way. I cannot agree with the statement that you say the other person was rewarded by bidding outside the auction and that this was a 'very positive action'. It it plainly an unethical practice. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29240 Re: 'The Keep' CD - the last word chris towers Tue 9/25/2001 4 KB From: ohmss761@c... Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 2:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Movie scores Hello:) I just joined here a few days ago, but if you want to talk film scores, I'm your man! I've been collecting orchestral/electronic score for years now. TD has written some great works in the medium also, although I wish they wouldn't have stopped. You didn't mention the two masters though... Jerry Goldsmith and Bernard Herrrmann? Hope this thread continues, Sean [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29233 Re: Movie scores Robert Grabowsky Tue 9/25/2001 2 KB 29237 Re: Movie scores rubyconist@y... Tue 9/25/2001 2 KB 29236 Re: Movie scores rubyconist@y... Tue 9/25/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 3:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'The Keep' CD - the last word I think it's constructive to comment on this in general because the process of trading, auctioning and selling/swapping rare music is going to be an ongoing topic. Chris Owen wrote: > Last word on the 'The Keep' ebay debate/thread.....please!! > > Following the recent comments on this matter, I feel I need to reiterate > something I said in my post following the closure of the auction. I was > merely acting as a conduit in the selling of 'The Keep'; for a good friend > of mine who has no means of internet access. He came with me to the > Manchester 1997 concert, and bought this copy for himself as a memento. He > admires TD very much, but is not a fan by any means, nor is he a member of > this list. So any criticisms aimed at the actual seller of the CD are > completely pointless, as they will not reach the person to whom they are > intended. Well, they will if you pass them on :-) > When he initially approaced me to sell the CD on his behalf using the > internet, my first suggestion was indeed to place a post on this very > mailing list, inviting offers from anyone who may be interested. I told him > he would be reaching the ideal target audience, and that he should get a > good price this way. Someone on this list complained that this would have > been a better way of selling it, to which I wholeheartedly agree. If this > had been my own CD, this is how I would have tried to sell it. But after > weighing up his options, he decided to place an advert on ebay, hoping that > by auctioning the CD on there, it might fetch a higher price. It was, after > all, his decision to make and not mine. But you were happy to use the group to go along with him :-) > To Joe Shoults, thanks for your comments Joe, and I realise the context in > which they were made, but as I have stressed, the person you might have > called 'dumb' (the seller) will not have the opportunity to read yours (or > anyone else's) posts on this or any other TD-related matter. Ah - so everyone should shut up now? > I guess quite a > few people just seemed annoyed or frustrated by the fact that the auction > was brought to a premature end, and I can fully understand them. But again, > this decision had nothing to do with me, but was decided by the seller, > after I had received an offer for the CD by private e-mail. So you were only obeying orders :-) > Yes, it's > possible the bidding in the auction might have exceeded the offer, but then > again, maybe not. I guess we'll never know. The offer was a very high one; > one which my friend, in his present financial position, could not afford to > turn down. > > The only observation I will make on the whole situation, is that the person > who e-mailed me with his offer has been rewarded for his initiative; an > inititive which everyone had the opportunity to take, but didn't. Well, everyone else wanted to play fair I expect :-) > He saw the > auction just like everyone else, but took some very positive action in order > to secure the CD for himself. After placing the e-bay link on this mailing > list, I half expected to receive lots of private offers like this, but after > three days, only one had come in. It doesn't mean loads of people hadn't seen the auction and bookmarked it to return closer to the end of the auction. That's how auctions work. > I know this may be an unethical way to > win/buy the CD, Oh, you do know :-) > but it's entirely within ebay's codes of practice to end an > auction early, simply by cancelling all bids and announcing the item is no > longer for sale. The seller instructed me to do this, and to accept the > offer. It was also his idea to place the post on this list thanking everyone > for their interest. I'm sure his thanks are much appreciated by all those who felt cheated :-) > Sorry to ramble on for so long, but I felt a few things needed > clarification, particluarly my part in the selling of the CD. I think everyone understands your part - a 'conduit'. Now the conduit's flowing the other way :-) > For the > record, unless I fell into abject poverty, I would never dream of selling my > own copy as it is signed by Edgar! > > Thanks for listening, and dream on, > > - Chris Owen From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 5:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Post Franke Thanks to everybody about your multitude of replies. You've got me pretty well assured to get Oasis. Just listened the RealAudio soundclips... not bad. Other ones I could consider are Lily on the Beach (surely has some good ones out of the 13 pieces) and Turn of the Tides. I'm not so sure about the live albums before I get a little more chunks to taste... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 5:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Movie scores I think you have totally missed out on another master: Hans Zimmer soundtrack for K2 and Gladiator and countless other movies THE HIGHLANDER >I just joined here a few days ago, but if you want to talk film scores, I'm >your man! I've been collecting orchestral/electronic score for years now. TD >has written some great works in the medium also, although I wish they >wouldn't have stopped. > >You didn't mention the two masters though... > >Jerry Goldsmith and Bernard Herrrmann? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29237 Re: Movie scores rubyconist@y... Tue 9/25/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 5:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Post Franke >Hello all...I'm new to this list, and am looking forward to the discussion! > >I wanted to add that most of Oasis is very good.....especially the second >track! I play that one on repeat endlessly. The bass synth ostinato recalls >the TD of old...not that the new incarnation is bad, just different. I go >through phases myself where I love Edgar and Jerome's albums, and others >where I have to go back to the old 'Virgin Years'. Does anyone else flip >flop >that way at all ? Or is it one style or another all the time? > >Looking forward to hearing from you all! > >NP:Green Desert **** > >Best, >Sean > I myself flip flop all the time. I have all my TD stuff as MP3s on my HD; I'm currently listening to Remote Viewing. I might pick next about anything, from Sunrise In The Third System to Dies Martis. No matter, I like them all. Some more than others, however. (Pieces, not albums.) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 6:05 am Subject: shills, ebay and fraudulent practices Ebay requires you to have the item you list and that you aren't allowed to end an auction early to sell it elsewhere to avoid paying fees to ebay. Furthermore, selling for a 2nd party smacks a little of a conspiratorial shell game--no doubt involving (un)suspecting shills. here's one URL to report fraudulent practices on ebay if applicable. I believe you need to be an actual bidder to file: http://crs.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?crsstartpage --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: rubyconist@y... Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 7:57 am Subject: Re: Movie scores --- In tadream@y..., ohmss761@c... wrote: > Hello:) > > I just joined here a few days ago, but if you want to talk film scores, I'm > your man! I've been collecting orchestral/electronic score for years now. TD > has written some great works in the medium also, although I wish they > wouldn't have stopped. > > You didn't mention the two masters though... > > Jerry Goldsmith and Bernard Herrrmann? > > Hope this thread continues, > Sean Yes of course. I forgot them. I have from Goldsmith Total Recall Deluxe, wich is great score for a great action film. Well, if you like action films. Bernard is in another class. My friend has some Hitchcock-collection (can't remeber the name right now) but haven't bought it yet. Post someday a list on your collection. Regards, TheInfection From: rubyconist@y... Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 7:59 am Subject: Re: Movie scores --- In tadream@y..., Robert Grabowsky wrote: > I think you have totally missed out on another master: > > Hans Zimmer soundtrack for K2 and Gladiator and countless other movies > > THE HIGHLANDER > > > >I just joined here a few days ago, but if you want to talk film scores, I'm > >your man! I've been collecting orchestral/electronic score for years now. TD > >has written some great works in the medium also, although I wish they > >wouldn't have stopped. > > > >You didn't mention the two masters though... > > > >Jerry Goldsmith and Bernard Herrrmann? Well... I mentioned him. My favorite somadays and someday not. Regards, TheInfection From: tangram12@a... Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 9:07 am Subject: THE KEEP TDI TDI010CD hi everyone after the all the Commotion last week about chris owens copy of the Keep on ebay, i have decided to list my spare copy for auction. there is a buy it now price of 150GBP for this item which i think is worth every penny. i will not end this auction early. it is listed at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1468604509 good luck and happy bidding. Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29239 Re: THE KEEP TDI TDI010CD chris towers Tue 9/25/2001 3 KB From: chris towers Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 12:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] THE KEEP TDI TDI010CD Hi all, i also do have a copy of THE KEEP TDI CD. Im not sure if id sell it though as it is rare and i am a true fan, but well, ill happily do copies for anyone who wants one. Chris Towers --- tangram12@a... wrote: > hi everyone > after the all the Commotion last week about chris > owens copy of the Keep on > ebay, i have decided to list my spare copy for > auction. > > there is a buy it now price of 150GBP for this item > which i think is worth > every penny. > i will not end this auction early. > > it is listed at > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1468604509 > > good luck and happy bidding. > > > Duncan McKee > > tangram@t... > > www.tadream.co.uk > > ICQ 41739379 > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: chris towers Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'The Keep' CD - the last word i think at the end of the day, it was supposed to be a fair and square auction, if whoever wanted it badly enough, they would have paid through the auction process anyway. Granted the price of Ł77 was no where near the price he payed, but it could have been, it wasnt given the time. But at the end of the day an auction is an auction and it should remain that way, no matter of outside offers. Chris --- vic rek wrote: > > Last word on the 'The Keep' ebay > debate/thread.....please!! > > I need to add something to this discussion, even if > the list owner has some objections... And if the > list owner wants to > object to this thread, then he should not add his '2 > cents' to the topic either - right Joe? ;-) > > > > > The only observation I will make on the whole > situation, is that the person > > who e-mailed me with his offer has been rewarded > for his initiative; an > > inititive which everyone had the opportunity to > take, but didn't. He saw the > > auction just like everyone else, but took some > very positive action in order > > to secure the CD for himself. > > I believe this is NOT allowed on eBay based upon the > reason given. The following is stated on eBay: > > End the Auction Early > You may miss out on just the bid you've been waiting > for if you end your auction early. > Still, there may be times when you have a valid > reason to end an auction early. You may > end your auction if you decide not to sell the item. > To do this, you must choose the > option to cancel all bids on your auction. You may > also choose the option to sell to the > high bidder. > > It is clear that you cannot end an auction to sell > the item to someone else (this is unethical), unless > that person is the high > bidder. Either no one gets the item or the high > bidder does. It clearly states that you can end the > auction 'if you decide > not to sell the item'. Well, in this case, the item > was sold and not to the high bidder in the auction - > a violation. So > let's not think what happened was OK and that people > should expect to conduct auctions this way. > > I cannot agree with the statement that you say the > other person was rewarded by bidding outside the > auction and that this was a > 'very positive action'. It it plainly an unethical > practice. > > Vic > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: chris towers Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 12:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Movie scores Yeah i have to hold my hands up and confess i am a fan of the movie scores. Hans Zimmer being one of my favourites.... Chris --- rubyconist@y... wrote: > This is a way off topic for this forum, but I don't > give a damn. > I'm sure that one of you collects fine movie scores > from different > composers, as I do. But of course, no one isn't > perfect. > > Few cd's from my collection. If this thread grows, I > will list all of > my cd's. > > (John Williams) > Jurassic Park > The Lost World > Jurassic Park 3 > > (Hans Zimmer) > The Rock > Gladiator > Pearl Harbor > > (Danny Elfman) > Batman > Planet of the Apes > > (Christopher Franke) > Babylon 5 Vol. 1 & Vol. 2 > Babylon 5: In the Beginning > > B5 Episode CDs: > The War Without End Part 2 > Objects At Rest > > (Vangelis) > Blade Runner > 1942 - Conquest of the Paradise > > Regards, > TheInfection > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: tom george Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 1:44 pm Subject: Odeon Stools > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:13:14 -0400 > From: 'Scott' > Subject: Re: TD tour > The Odeon, where TD will be playing in Cleveland, is > an absolute hole! A few > stools, Hey Scott, Would that be human or animal? :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 1:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Movie scores Anyone interested in trading movie scores/soundtracks please contact me offlist. James > -----Original Message----- > From: ohmss761@c... [mailto:ohmss761@c...] > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 9:53 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Movie scores > > > Hello:) > > I just joined here a few days ago, but if you want to talk > film scores, I'm > your man! I've been collecting orchestral/electronic score > for years now. TD > has written some great works in the medium also, although I wish they > wouldn't have stopped. > > You didn't mention the two masters though... > > Jerry Goldsmith and Bernard Herrrmann? > > Hope this thread continues, > Sean > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 2:02 pm Subject: Re: Movie scores In a message dated 9/25/01 1:12:36 AM, hghlndr@t... writes: >I think you have totally missed out on another master: > Hans Zimmer soundtrack for K2 and Gladiator and countless other >movies As long as we're on the subject, how about Miklos Rozsa? Ben Hur, El Cid... good stuff. --Daniel NP: Rising Haul in Silence Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29249 Re: Movie scores Deb H-J Tue 9/25/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 8:11 pm Subject: ground liftaz 9/21??? Anyone make it to the ground liftaz event this past weekend? I don't see any updates about it on the website(s). --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Scott' Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 9:00 pm Subject: Ghazal I was reading an article in the latest issue of Time about how the Taliban regime in Afghanistan has banned any music from being played in the country. It mentioned a type of song called a 'ghazal,' which is a Persian/Afghani love song. That, apparently, is the source of TD's song title. I found it interesting. Scott From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Wed Sep 26, 2001 5:23 am Subject: Off topic - Ebay ethics WARNING - on-going ebay debate - please do not read if already bored by it! Ebay quote - 'You may end your auction if you decide not to sell the item. To do this, you must choose the option to cancel all bids on your auction. You may also choose the option to sell to the high bidder.' By 'You may end your auction if you decide not to sell the item', e-bay appear to be referring to their auction site, and their auction site alone. If this is the case, this does not mean that by ending the auction early, that you cannot sell the item outside the auction. Judging by the wording of their guidelines, e-bay have no jurisdiction whatsoever on my friend selling the CD to a third party, irrespective of whether it was once listed on their site or not. Vic Rek wrote - 'It is clear that you cannot end an auction to sell the item to someone else (this is unethical)' Hi again Vik, I hope you are well. Yes, it may be unethical (depending upon your personal ethics of course), but it is still in compliance with e-bay's guidelines on their auction transactions. According to their wording, as the seller, you reserve the right to end the auction for whatever reason you see fit, citing 'the item is no longer for sale' if you so wish. Like I said, unethical maybe, but certainly not illegal, and certainly not in contradiction of e-bay's rules and regulations. ampmusic wrote - So any criticisms aimed at the actual seller of the CD are > completely pointless, as they will not reach the person to whom they are > intended. Well, they will if you pass them on :-) Fair comment, and I have now informed him of this on-going debate, and the feelings of some list members. > When he initially approached me to sell the CD on his behalf using the > internet, my first suggestion was indeed to place a post on this very > mailing list, inviting offers from anyone who may be interested. I told him > he would be reaching the ideal target audience, and that he should get a > good price this way. Someone on this list complained that this would have > been a better way of selling it, to which I wholeheartedly agree. If this > had been my own CD, this is how I would have tried to sell it. But after > weighing up his options, he decided to place an advert on ebay, hoping that > by auctioning the CD on there, it might fetch a higher price. It was, after > all, his decision to make and not mine. But you were happy to use the group to go along with him :-) And, on my friend's behalf, why shouldn't I? Many other respected members of this list have used it as a means to sell TD items, or to advertise their auctions on both e-bay and their own websites. It's all about reaching your target audience, isn't it? As a keen collector of TD rarities myself, I would always invite and encourage fellow list members to sell or advertise their TD items for sale on this list. I'd be disappointed and surprised if they didn't. > To Joe Shoults, thanks for your comments Joe, and I realise the context in > which they were made, but as I have stressed, the person you might have > called 'dumb' (the seller) will not have the opportunity to read yours (or > anyone else's) posts on this or any other TD-related matter. Ah - so everyone should shut up now? Exactly where and when have I said that everyone should shut up? All this paragraph says is that my friend is not a member of this list, and so, unless I show them to him, will not have the opportunity to read the posts regarding this matter. At what point in this statement am I implying that no one should mention it anyone? > I guess quite a > few people just seemed annoyed or frustrated by the fact that the auction > was brought to a premature end, and I can fully understand them. But again, > this decision had nothing to do with me, but was decided by the seller, > after I had received an offer for the CD by private e-mail. So you were only obeying orders :-) That's correct. I was carrying out his wishes. It was his CD after all, his sale, and his responsibility to conduct it as he saw fit. It's not (I repeat - not) how I would have done things though, had the CD been mine. > Yes, it's > possible the bidding in the auction might have exceeded the offer, but then > again, maybe not. I guess we'll never know. The offer was a very high one; > one which my friend, in his present financial position, could not afford to > turn down. > > The only observation I will make on the whole situation, is that the person > who e-mailed me with his offer has been rewarded for his initiative; an > initiative which everyone had the opportunity to take, but didn't. Well, everyone else wanted to play fair I expect :-) And I entirely accept that. Had I been bidding (or indeed had I been the seller), I too would have played fair, as you put it. Indeed, in the past, I have myself played very fair on countless occasions on e-bay and yahoo! auctions, and wouldn't dream of doing otherwise. I would like to think that over the last 15 years I have made myself a half-decent reputation within the TD community (including this list) for being a reliable, trustworthy and respected contact, irrespective of whether I was doing the buying or selling. > He saw the > auction just like everyone else, but took some very positive action in order > to secure the CD for himself. After placing the e-bay link on this mailing > list, I half expected to receive lots of private offers like this, but after > three days, only one had come in. It doesn't mean loads of people hadn't seen the auction and bookmarked it to return closer to the end of the auction. That's how auctions work. Again, I fully realise this. Knowing how these auctions work, I advised my friend that a higher percentage of bids would flood in towards the end of the auction, but once the straight offer came in after 3 days, he jumped at it. > I know this may be an unethical way to > win/buy the CD, Oh, you do know :-) I know what? Not sure what you mean by this. I think everyone understands your part - a 'conduit'. Now the conduit's flowing the other way :-) As I mentioned before, I have now passed on the feelings of some list members to my friend, and described the mood of the posts to him. Best wishes all, - Chris Owen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29248 Re: Off topic - Ebay ethics ampmusic Tue 9/25/2001 2 KB 29250 Re: Off topic - Ebay ethics Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 9/25/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 11:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off topic - Ebay ethics Chris Owen wrote: > As I mentioned before, I have now passed on the feelings of some list members to my friend, and described the mood of the posts to him. > > Best wishes all, > > - Chris Owen Hooray !!! :-) From: Deb H-J Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Movie scores Or how about Bernard Hermann or John Barry? You can't talk soundtracks without bringing up these two. Deb H-J --- quarlie@a... wrote: > In a message dated 9/25/01 1:12:36 AM, > hghlndr@t... writes: > > >I think you have totally missed out on another > master: > > Hans Zimmer soundtrack for K2 and Gladiator > and countless other > >movies > > As long as we're on the subject, how about Miklos > Rozsa? Ben Hur, El Cid... > good stuff. > > --Daniel > NP: Rising Haul in Silence > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 10:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off topic - Ebay ethics Can't this continue off the list? While I enjoy learning the in's and out's or E-Bay, E-Bay isn't TD. Please Flame me off the list just in case I touch some raw nerves. Thanks Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Tue Sep 25, 2001 11:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Movie scores > > >I think you have totally missed out on another > > master: > > > Hans Zimmer soundtrack for K2 and Gladiator Gladiator is IMO the most brilliant soundtrack to this date. Not only is the music IMO perfekt, but also Lisa Gerrards voice, compliments Zimmers music in a fantastic way. Even though I have heard her voice throughout the years, she still amazes me with her unique voice and way of singing. The feeling she can put into that voice. So if anyone have not heard this soundtrack.................give it a try............. I know this was off-topic.........sorry for that..................... Regards Jan From: ohmss761@c... Date: Wed Sep 26, 2001 3:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Post Franke Thank you for the kind welcome:) It's great to see that this group is open minded, and willing to judge the later TD years even handedly with the 'classic' years. If your a true fan, you'll love it all! Now I must get into this 'bootleg' scene....I have almost all of the commercial albums, but not one boot, save for the Blue Moon cd of The Keep. NP:Final Fantasy(Goldenthal)Orchestral anarchy....magnificient! Best, Sean [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: ohmss761@c... Date: Wed Sep 26, 2001 3:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Movie scores In a message dated 9/25/2001 12:57:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rubyconist@y... writes: > > You didn't mention the two masters though... > > > > Jerry Goldsmith and Bernard Herrrmann? > > > > Hope this thread continues, > > Sean > > Yes of course. I forgot them. I have from Goldsmith Total Recall > Deluxe, wich is great score for a great action film. Well, if you > like action films. > > Bernard is in another class. My friend has some Hitchcock-collection > (can't remeber the name right now) but haven't bought it yet. > > Post someday a list on your collection. > > Regards, > TheInfection Of course, Total Recall is a modern masterpiece of scoring IMO, and the new Varese CD is essential....I would post my soundtrack list here, but it would probably anger everyone due to length and some of the items on there!lol And to keep it somewhat on topic, TD thanks Goldsmith and a few other film composers in the notes to Turn of the Tides. Best, Sean [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29256 Re: Movie scores rubyconist@y... Wed 9/26/2001 3 KB From: ohmss761@c... Date: Wed Sep 26, 2001 3:32 am Subject: OT: [tadream] Re: Movie scores In a message dated 9/25/2001 7:05:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, quarlie@a... writes: > In a message dated 9/25/01 1:12:36 AM, hghlndr@t... writes: > > >I think you have totally missed out on another master: > > Hans Zimmer soundtrack for K2 and Gladiator and countless other > >movies > > As long as we're on the subject, how about Miklos Rozsa? Ben Hur, El Cid... > good stuff. > > --Daniel Yes! Thank you Daniel, you are my hero of the week....Rozsa,Korngold,Newman,Steiner,Friedhofer,North,Tiomkin....while these guys may not be people's cup of tea on this list, I play them all right alongside Froese and Co. regularly. Ahhhhh variety:) Sean [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Wed Sep 26, 2001 4:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] reminder: Free System Projekt in Philly October 13 -----Original Message----- From: Michael A Jean Subject: RE: [tadream] reminder: Free System Projekt in Philly October 13 >I for one am planning to go...Anyone else? Oh absolutely! Bill From: rubyconist@y... Date: Wed Sep 26, 2001 8:13 am Subject: Re: Movie scores --- In tadream@y..., ohmss761@c... wrote: > In a message dated 9/25/2001 12:57:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > rubyconist@y... writes: > > > > > You didn't mention the two masters though... > > > > > > Jerry Goldsmith and Bernard Herrrmann? > > > > > > Hope this thread continues, > > > Sean > > > > Yes of course. I forgot them. I have from Goldsmith Total Recall > > Deluxe, wich is great score for a great action film. Well, if you > > like action films. > > > > Bernard is in another class. My friend has some Hitchcock- collection > > (can't remeber the name right now) but haven't bought it yet. > > > > Post someday a list on your collection. > > > > Regards, > > TheInfection > > Of course, Total Recall is a modern masterpiece of scoring IMO, and the new > Varese CD is essential....I would post my soundtrack list here, but it would > probably anger everyone due to length and some of the items on there!lol > > And to keep it somewhat on topic, TD thanks Goldsmith and a few other film > composers in the notes to Turn of the Tides. > > Best, > Sean Nope, not me. Post it. Regards, TheInfection From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Wed Sep 26, 2001 11:56 am Subject: Coventry Cathedral 1975 I listened to this tape again last night with a view to getting details on my tape list. While I love the performance, 2 quite different pieces of music, I was disappointed with the recording quality (perhaps 6/10 for the first and 5/10 for the second - slightly muffled with some top end distortion). Does anyone know if there is a better quality recording in existence ? Thanks in advance for any help that's offered. Toby From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Sep 26, 2001 12:22 pm Subject: TD birchmere and denver just checked the ticketmaster website and birchmere is currently 'not on sale'--may have sold out--and the denver listing seems to have disappeared. Not sure what that means.... --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Sep 26, 2001 12:29 pm Subject: td denver www.hob.com still shows 10/1 as the onsale date for denver _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Wed Sep 26, 2001 6:24 pm Subject: TD Usa tour. I was just reading the guestbook at the official TD site,where someone has stated that they tried to book tickets for the Buffalo NY concert,only to be told TD are not touring because of the terrorist attack.I was just curious as to whether this is correct.Does anybody know any different? Best regards CJ. From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Sep 26, 2001 4:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Post Franke Well, since we've got you convinced of 'Oasis' and presuming that you will like it, then you'll want to go after 'Canyon Dreams' too. 'Oasis and 'Canyon Dreams IMO are both excellent and in similar veins. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Post Franke > Thanks to everybody about your multitude of replies. > > You've got me pretty well assured to get Oasis. Just listened the RealAudio > soundclips... not bad. > > Other ones I could consider are Lily on the Beach (surely has some good ones > out of the 13 pieces) and Turn of the Tides. I'm not so sure about the live > albums before I get a little more chunks to taste... > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29267 Re: Post Franke Matthew Stringer Thu 9/27/2001 2 KB From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Wed Sep 26, 2001 10:14 pm Subject: The Keep - copies anywhere? Hey there all, sorry if this sounds kinda stupid, BUT Since I'm a fairly new TD fan (I can't WAIT for the Detroit show, definately going to be interesting considering Second City is a comedy club, hmmmmm).. BUT anyhow, I don't happen to even HAVE a copy of this 'Keep' soundtrack, so if there is any kind soul to either let me know how to obtain (purchase) a copy of this, OR at least get a CDR copy to make sure I like it, I'd definately appreciate it. I've always always supported TD as well as any other band, so if I enjoy the Cd itself (CDR for that matter), I always purchase the original one. thanks for any help. As well, I also wanted to let anyone know who'd mentioned trading soundtracks/movie scores, I'd love to hear from you. I don't have MUCH, but what I do, I'm openly open to trading, because I've always loved listening to movie scores, ESPECIALLY anything that Trevor Rabin has done. dan P.S. E-mail me off the list. Thanks Kayleigh's Playhouse!!! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com Join TheTradingCircle or 80s-PopMusic Mailing Lists FOUND HERE!! http://www.yahoogroups.com AOL IM (winnietiggerfan), Yahoo Messenger (kayleighsdaddy) or MSN Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29264 Re: The Keep - copies anywhere? Richard Stevens Wed 9/26/2001 3 KB 29268 Re: The Keep - copies anywhere? chris towers Thu 9/27/2001 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Sep 26, 2001 10:17 pm Subject: pittsburgh, atlanta, portland TD US tour OK these cities--pittsburgh, atlanta, and portland--now have 'Currently Not On Sale' on ticketmaster's website. Dunno, what's happening folks. Sold out shows--hopefully. --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Richard Stevens Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 6:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep - copies anywhere? on 26/9/01 3:14 pm, winnie the pooh at winniethepoohfan1@m... wrote: > Hey there all, sorry if this sounds kinda stupid, BUT Since I'm a fairly new > TD fan (I can't WAIT for the Detroit show, definately going to be interesting > considering Second City is a comedy club, hmmmmm).. BUT anyhow, I don't happen > to even HAVE a copy of this 'Keep' soundtrack, so if there is any kind soul to > either let me know how to obtain (purchase) a copy of this, OR at least get a > CDR copy to make sure I like it, I'd definately appreciate it. > > I've always always supported TD as well as any other band, so if I enjoy the > Cd itself (CDR for that matter), I always purchase the original one. > > thanks for any help. As well, I also wanted to let anyone know who'd mentioned > trading soundtracks/movie scores, I'd love to hear from you. I don't have > MUCH, but what I do, I'm openly open to trading, because I've always loved > listening to movie scores, ESPECIALLY anything that Trevor Rabin has done. > > dan > Clueless, had a look can't see it anywhere :( It must be long deleted, The is currently being Shown on FilmFour during september and October :) R Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29268 Re: The Keep - copies anywhere? chris towers Thu 9/27/2001 3 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Sep 26, 2001 10:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Usa tour. Postponed The webpage of the Birchmere in Alexandria, Virginia indicates that the show has been postponed and will eb rescheduled at a later date... MJ -----Original Message----- From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:24:53 -0000 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] TD Usa tour. > I was just reading the guestbook at the official TD site,where > someone has stated that they tried to book tickets for the Buffalo NY > concert,only to be told TD are not touring because of the terrorist > attack.I was just curious as to whether this is correct.Does anybody > know any different? > Best regards CJ. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Sep 26, 2001 10:38 pm Subject: US tour looks like toast Atlanta Variety playhouse website is showing tangerine dream postponed, birchmere website also showing postponed. bleah, --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29270 Re: US tour looks like toast John McIntyre Thu 9/27/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 8:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Post Franke On Wednesday 26 September 2001 5:10 pm, you wrote: > Well, since we've got you convinced of 'Oasis' and presuming that you will > like it, then you'll want to go after 'Canyon Dreams' too. 'Oasis and > 'Canyon Dreams IMO are both excellent and in similar veins. Great album but not post Franke, unless you are refering to the Jerome track, which sounds like it should be on Rockoon. Matt From: chris towers Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 10:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep - copies anywhere? Hi there, well im happy to make a copy of The Keep for you, but as far as obtaining an orional copy i think you might find quite difficult, pretty rare, and those that have copies are sure not too part with them to easy... :-) Chris --- Richard Stevens wrote: > on 26/9/01 3:14 pm, winnie the pooh at > winniethepoohfan1@m... wrote: > > > Hey there all, sorry if this sounds kinda stupid, > BUT Since I'm a fairly new > > TD fan (I can't WAIT for the Detroit show, > definately going to be interesting > > considering Second City is a comedy club, > hmmmmm).. BUT anyhow, I don't happen > > to even HAVE a copy of this 'Keep' soundtrack, so > if there is any kind soul to > > either let me know how to obtain (purchase) a copy > of this, OR at least get a > > CDR copy to make sure I like it, I'd definately > appreciate it. > > > > I've always always supported TD as well as any > other band, so if I enjoy the > > Cd itself (CDR for that matter), I always purchase > the original one. > > > > thanks for any help. As well, I also wanted to let > anyone know who'd mentioned > > trading soundtracks/movie scores, I'd love to hear > from you. I don't have > > MUCH, but what I do, I'm openly open to trading, > because I've always loved > > listening to movie scores, ESPECIALLY anything > that Trevor Rabin has done. > > > > dan > > > Clueless, had a look can't see it anywhere :( > > It must be long deleted, The is currently being > Shown on FilmFour during > september and October :) > > R > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 12:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Post Franke If you recall, Jerom's contribtuion was not on the original Video release... It was added years later whn it finally came out on CD in the early 90s. Probably as an incentive for folks to buy it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...] > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 3:31 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Post Franke > > > On Wednesday 26 September 2001 5:10 pm, you wrote: > > Well, since we've got you convinced of 'Oasis' and presuming > that you will > > like it, then you'll want to go after 'Canyon Dreams' too. 'Oasis and > > 'Canyon Dreams IMO are both excellent and in similar veins. > > > Great album but not post Franke, unless you are refering to the > Jerome track, > which sounds like it should be on Rockoon. > > Matt > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: John McIntyre Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 2:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] US tour looks like toast tei waz wrote: > Atlanta Variety playhouse website is showing tangerine dream postponed, > birchmere website also showing postponed. I just checked the Ticketmaster website, and some dates are marked 'not currently on sale' while others are marked 'on sale now'. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 3:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Post Franke AND as a way to get Jerome some royalties for it... > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > > If you recall, Jerom's contribtuion was not on the original > Video release... > It was added years later whn it finally came out on CD in the > early 90s. > Probably as an incentive for folks to buy it. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...] > > > > Great album [Canyon Dreams] but not post Franke, unless you are refering to the > > Jerome track, > > which sounds like it should be on Rockoon. > > > > Matt From: tom george Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 4:31 pm Subject: The Gathering Hi Vic, are you going? i wouldn't mind going at all. i would have to take some vacation days for the weekend and i have already taken some for the TD gig in Atlanta on Tuesday. This could turn into a great week for concerts. Plus we have never seen FSP with Ruud. At least i haven't. How far a drive is this from Atlanta? I know this sounds like a personal post but this is open to anyone on the East Coast that might like a caravan. I am in Knoxville, TN. Take care, Tom > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:46:01 -0400 > From: vic rek > Subject: Re: reminder: Free System Projekt in Philly > October 13 > > I recommend that anyone having the opportunity to > attend this gig should go. > Free System Projekt cannot be missed. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29277 Re: The Gathering Marcel Engels Thu 9/27/2001 2 KB 29290 Re: The Gathering david Fri 9/28/2001 2 KB 29304 Re: The Gathering david Sat 9/29/2001 3 KB 29291 Re: The Gathering david Fri 9/28/2001 3 KB 29345 Re: The Gathering Bill Fox Wed 10/3/2001 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 4:45 pm Subject: US Tour/screwy date listing for Atlanta in the continuing saga of what's going on with the 2001 US tour--ticketmaster now lists this for the atlanta show: TANGERINE DREAM Fri, 1/1/38 8:00PM Variety Playhouse Atlanta, GA Currently Not On Sale I'd say the atlanta show is either many years from now or happened long ago. :) :( :) --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 4:55 pm Subject: US tour TM whackiness: alexandria/pittsburgh/portland/atlanta Ok, here's a summary of sorts of info from TM for alexandria/pittsburgh/portland/atlanta (top down) --------------------------- birchmere--not onsale -------------------------- *** CANCELLED *** TANGERINE DREAM * * * * * M MUST BE 21 TO ENTER SAT OCT 27 2001 7:30 PM --------------------------- POSTPONED***TBA TANGERINE DREAM -*- -*- -*- THE ALADDIN THEATER 3017 SE MILWAUKIE @ POWELL WED NOV 14, 2001 8:00PM TANGERINE DREAM HAS BEEN POSTPONED, TICKETS WILL BE GOOD FOR NEW DATE---TBA... ---------------------- Variety Playhouse Atlanta, GA Friday, January 01, 2038 8:00PM *POSTPONED - NEW DATE TBA* TANGERINE DREAM ** ** ** ** ** ** VARIETY PLAYHOUSE 1099 EUCLID AVE. TUE OCT 16 2001 8:00PM -------------------------------- so there you have it--some wacky stuff going on. --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 5:01 pm Subject: ARGH! (was Re: [tadream] US tour TM whackiness: alexandria/pittsburgh/portland/atlanta > Ok, here's a summary of sorts of info from TM for > alexandria/pittsburgh/portland/atlanta (top down) > --------------------------- > > birchmere--not onsale > > -------------------------- > > *** CANCELLED *** > TANGERINE DREAM > * * * * * > M > MUST BE 21 TO ENTER > SAT OCT 27 2001 7:30 PM What do you mean, not on sale? I already have my two! Dagnabit... -- Face down in the lap of luxury, and nowhere to GO but DOWN... :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 5:04 pm Subject: US tour postponed til 2002? from http://www.scullersjazz.com/ Tangerine Dream CANCELLED DUE TO INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT PROBLEMS WILL BE RESCHEDULED AFTER THE 1ST OF THE YEAR. WATCH FOR NEW DATE _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 5:12 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The Gathering With the recent messages on the list about the concerts (or not?) of TD I want to say this: As far as I see FSP will perform in Philadelphia on the 13th of october and be on various radio- shows (Chuck van Zyl, Bill Fox and Echoes). I haven't seen or heard anything why this concert couldn't continue and see no reason why we shouldn't have a great time! It gives a good feeling that many of you are coming and would be great to meet to you. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29290 Re: The Gathering david Fri 9/28/2001 2 KB 29304 Re: The Gathering david Sat 9/29/2001 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 7:42 pm Subject: tour Assasinate Bin Laden - He got the TD tour cancelled!!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29279 Re: tour Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 9/27/2001 3 KB 29280 Re: tour tom807@a... Thu 9/27/2001 2 KB 29282 Re: tour Richard Stevens Thu 9/27/2001 2 KB 29284 Re: tour Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 9/27/2001 3 KB 29286 Re: tour Joe Shoults Thu 9/27/2001 3 KB 29295 Re: tour gyedid01@y... Fri 9/28/2001 3 KB 29287 Re: tour Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 9/27/2001 4 KB 29288 Re: tour vic rek Thu 9/27/2001 2 KB 29289 Re: tour Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 9/27/2001 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 8:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour As much for others to pin the blame on him for all the ills, I am sure other factors are at hand here as well. Scapegoats come in all sizes huh? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: [tadream] tour > Assasinate Bin Laden - He got the TD tour cancelled!!! > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: tom807@a... Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour In a message dated 9/27/01 3:49:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, james.owens@m... writes: > Killing those who kill to show them that killing is wrong makes no sense in a civilized society. Tom Lyle MP3.com - tom807 SoundStage! The $ensible Sound [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29282 Re: tour Richard Stevens Thu 9/27/2001 2 KB From: 'Scott' Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 8:42 pm Subject: Re: Movie scores From the 'I wish they'd do a soundtrack' department: The Cure! My wife has the Standing on the Beach best of collection on tape, and the flipside contains a bunch of ethereal, atmospheric instrumentals and semi instrumentals that would be fabboo on a soundtrack. Anyone concur? Scott From: Richard Stevens Date: Fri Sep 28, 2001 4:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] tour on 27/9/01 1:16 pm, tom807@a... at tom807@a... wrote: > In a message dated 9/27/01 3:49:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > james.owens@m... writes: > > >> > > Killing those who kill to show them that killing is wrong makes no sense in a > civilized society. Yes true, but A civilisation that lies down and let's an Enemy roll over is coming to an end :( R From: 'Scott' Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 8:56 pm Subject: Re: US tour postponed I can understand why they'd postpone, so I'm not pissed about that, what I'm pissed about is why isn't this info on TD's web site? Why did we find out all this tour information second hand? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29285 Re: US tour postponed Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 9/27/2001 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 9:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour ever notice how this list seems to wonder on over to the political side a lot? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Richard Stevens' To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] tour > on 27/9/01 1:16 pm, tom807@a... at tom807@a... wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/27/01 3:49:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > james.owens@m... writes: > > > > > >> > > > > Killing those who kill to show them that killing is wrong makes no sense in a > > civilized society. > > Yes true, but A civilisation that lies down and let's an Enemy roll over is > coming to an end :( > > R > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 9:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: US tour postponed Yes, I would concur with you on this feeling... Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Scott' To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 1:56 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: US tour postponed > I can understand why they'd postpone, so I'm not pissed about that, what I'm > pissed about is why isn't this info on TD's web site? Why did we find out > all this tour information second hand? > > Scott > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 9:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] tour haha - this list is tame on political stuff - you should see the Ozrics list. I'm not sure if TD really did postpone or not until I hear it from Martin (hello?), but if they did I DON'T understand why. What's the big deal? All they have to do is friggin GET here, for pete's sake. Then they are traveling by bus, AFAIK. To cancel the tour so easily makes me think there is more to the decision than air travel. Maybe I'm simply ignorant about the situation, but there are plenty of people and businesses who have resumed international air travel since the tragedy. What's stopping TD? (if) Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] > ever notice how this list seems to wonder on over to the > political side a> lot? > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott [mailto:splumer@w...] > I can understand why they'd postpone, so I'm not pissed about > that, what I'm pissed about is why isn't this info on TD's > web site? Why did we find out all this tour information > second hand? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29295 Re: tour gyedid01@y... Fri 9/28/2001 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 9:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour Same thoughts here. I mentioned there are more reasons than one. At least there must be. They still have time if they catch a 'Ocean Cruise'. Just think what creativity that may cause! Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] tour > haha - this list is tame on political stuff - you should see the Ozrics > list. > > I'm not sure if TD really did postpone or not until I hear it from Martin > (hello?), but if they did I DON'T understand why. What's the big deal? All > they have to do is friggin GET here, for pete's sake. Then they are > traveling by bus, AFAIK. > > To cancel the tour so easily makes me think there is more to the decision > than air travel. Maybe I'm simply ignorant about the situation, but there > are plenty of people and businesses who have resumed international air > travel since the tragedy. What's stopping TD? (if) > > Joe > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Administrator for kay-net.com [mailto:admin@k...] > > ever notice how this list seems to wonder on over to the > > political side a> lot? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott [mailto:splumer@w...] > > I can understand why they'd postpone, so I'm not pissed about > > that, what I'm pissed about is why isn't this info on TD's > > web site? Why did we find out all this tour information > > second hand? > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: vic rek Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 11:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour Tangerine Dream will officially announce tomorrow or Monday what is the situation with the USA tour. The problem is that the US Government has made the work visa application process harsher (due to the terrorist attack) which may not allow the band to make the scheduled tour dates. So let's wait for the official announcement in the next few days. From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 11:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour ahh more reasons come to light. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] tour > Tangerine Dream will officially announce tomorrow or Monday what is the situation with the USA tour. The problem is that the > US Government has made the work visa application process harsher (due to the terrorist attack) which may not allow the band to > make the scheduled tour dates. So let's wait for the official announcement in the next few days. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'david' Date: Fri Sep 28, 2001 4:26 am Subject: Re: The Gathering --- In tadream@y..., 'Marcel Engels' wrote: > With the recent messages on the list about the > concerts (or not?) of TD I want to say this: > As far as I see FSP will perform in Philadelphia > on the 13th of october and be on various radio- > shows (Chuck van Zyl, Bill Fox and Echoes). > I haven't seen or heard anything why this concert > couldn't continue and see no reason why we shouldn't > have a great time! > It gives a good feeling that many of you are coming > and would be great to meet to you. > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... ////////i will be at theFSP show so if anyone needs a tour guide to phila, or wants to know where the cool restaurants( the tourists dont know about)ARE ,let me know OR if you r wiped out from driving u can make a pitstop at my house. i have a deer park dispenser in the kitchen. david dwruckly@y... From: 'david' Date: Fri Sep 28, 2001 4:33 am Subject: Re: The Gathering --- In tadream@y..., tom george wrote: > Hi Vic, > are you going? i wouldn't mind going at all. i > would have to take some vacation days for the > weekend and i have already taken some for the TD > gig in Atlanta on Tuesday. This could turn into > a great week for concerts. Plus we have never seen > FSP with Ruud. At least i haven't. How far a drive > is this from Atlanta? I know this sounds like a > personal post but this is open to anyone on the > East Coast that might like a caravan. I am in > Knoxville, TN. Take care, > Tom > > > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:46:01 -0400 > > From: vic rek > > Subject: Re: reminder: Free System Projekt in Philly > > October 13 > > > > I recommend that anyone having the opportunity to > > attend this gig should go. > > Free System Projekt cannot be missed. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. > http://phone.yahoo.com //////// its about 1000 miles from atlanta tp philly.if u wanna hook up check the previou pos for my info. i live in phila. david dwruckly@y... peace From: John McIntyre Date: Fri Sep 28, 2001 12:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour I called the local Ticketmaster outlet where I had purchased my ticket for the Second City show, and they said tickets were no longer being sold, but because the show was not yet officially listed as 'cancelled', they could not refund my ticket purchase at this time. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Sep 28, 2001 2:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] tour It was supposed to be a JOKE. You know, implying that the fact that the TD tour was cancelled was somehow worse than everything that Bin Laden's ALREADY blamed for... If you don't have a sense of humor, try to borrow one from a friend... James > -----Original Message----- > on 27/9/01 1:16 pm, tom807@a... at tom807@a... wrote: > > Killing those who kill to show them that killing is wrong > makes no sense in a civilized society. From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Fri Sep 28, 2001 2:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour In a message dated 28/09/01 15:52:15 GMT Daylight Time, james.owens@m... writes: > If you don't have a sense of humor, try to borrow one from a friend... I have to agree on this. Most posts are all doom and gloom and, although it was a great tragedy, (My fiancee lives in NY), I think a little humour and lightening up is called for. There are threats to target Britain (where I live), but I AM getting a little tired of all the seriousness. Derek (Who loves a joke) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29346 Favourite 10 Tangerine Dream albums Richard Stevens Wed 10/3/2001 2 KB From: gyedid01@y... Date: Fri Sep 28, 2001 4:23 pm Subject: Re: tour --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > To cancel the tour so easily makes me think there is more to the decision > than air travel. Maybe I'm simply ignorant about the situation, but there > are plenty of people and businesses who have resumed international air > travel since the tragedy. What's stopping TD? (if) The TDI web site has been updated as of today: -- Tangerine Dream USA Tour postponed!!!! Unfortunately, Tangerine Dream's USA-Tour had to be postponed to mid January through early February. In the aftermath of the terrorist attacks, the band was faced with several problems that could not be solved within the short period of time left until the beginning of the tour - the most severe being that, due to heightened security measures and controls, the band would not have been able to obtain work permits in time. The tour routing and clubs should remain more or less as planned. We will post the new dates as soon as we have them confirmed - hopefully within the next few weeks. Please do not pay heed to rumors of the tour being cancelled - the dates have merely been postponed! That's the official line... Gabe From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Sep 28, 2001 5:08 pm Subject: re:postponed US tour I wonder if they'll be able to schedule the California make up dates over a holiday weekend in February (say Thursday Feb. 15th- Sunday Feb. 18th), as the November dates in California were over Veterans Day weekend for the postponed US 2001 tour? and do you think snow on the ground will hamper a January/February tour of the Northeast U.S.? To and from Buffalo could be quite fun. --T (trying to reschedule/cancel reservations/time-off from work etc.) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29299 Re: postponed US tour Owens, James Fri 9/28/2001 2 KB 29301 Re: postponed US tour GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Fri 9/28/2001 2 KB From: 'simon heath' Date: Fri Sep 28, 2001 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour >. There are threats to target Britain (where I >live), but I AM getting a little tired of all the seriousness. I feel the seriousness is foisted upon us to make retribution a more palatable option.Disturbingly , a good 'conspiracy' account is available on David Ickes' site, but I would prefer anyone but him to be telling me it. www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Fri Sep 28, 2001 5:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tour In a message dated 28/09/01 18:28:57 GMT Daylight Time, simon@d... writes: > I feel the seriousness is foisted upon us to make retribution a more > palatable option. Seems that way. In America people are selling T-Shirts with messages about bombing the terrorists. It seems that it is inevitable and newspapers, especially here, are more or less saying 'Let's get it on' Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29300 Re: tour Richard Stevens Fri 9/28/2001 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Sep 28, 2001 5:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] re:postponed US tour I dunno... some of TD's best concerts have been in the snow: e.g. Poland '83 James > -----Original Message----- > > and do you think snow on the ground will hamper a > January/February tour of > the Northeast U.S.? To and from Buffalo could be quite fun. From: Richard Stevens Date: Sat Sep 29, 2001 1:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] tour on 28/9/01 10:33 am, GKNARFAPPAZ@a... at GKNARFAPPAZ@a... wrote: > In a message dated 28/09/01 18:28:57 GMT Daylight Time, > simon@d... writes: > > >> I feel the seriousness is foisted upon us to make retribution a more >> palatable option. > > Seems that way. In America people are selling T-Shirts with messages about > bombing the terrorists. It seems that it is inevitable and newspapers, > especially here, are more or less saying 'Let's get it on' > Derek Yeah Nuke! em all! R From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Fri Sep 28, 2001 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re:postponed US tour Don't mention Buffalo. My fiancee lives there and I flew out to her last February and thanks to the bloody snow I have 28 screws in my foot. Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: scrooge@o... Date: Sat Sep 29, 2001 12:00 pm Subject: video clips I found a site with some RealPlayer video clips.. then my system crashed! Can anyone please help? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29303 Re: video clips Richard Stevens Sat 9/29/2001 2 KB 29306 Re: video clips John Vertical Sat 9/29/2001 2 KB From: Richard Stevens Date: Sat Sep 29, 2001 8:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] video clips on 29/9/01 5:00 am, scrooge@o... at scrooge@o... wrote: > I found a site with some RealPlayer video clips.. > then my system crashed! > Can anyone please help? Get a Macintosh :) R From: 'david' Date: Sat Sep 29, 2001 1:12 pm Subject: Re: The Gathering - hi checked out your bacground info --on the gaterings page.linked to your web page and downloaded some samples. good stuff. coming to the show,will say hello glad to get a live space music fix t.d. was supposed to play in phila the following week. now it will be at least 3 months befor they play so you will have to hold me till then not to put undue pressure on ya (smile). see and heareyou soon david tadream@y..., 'Marcel Engels' wrote: > With the recent messages on the list about the > concerts (or not?) of TD I want to say this: > As far as I see FSP will perform in Philadelphia > on the 13th of october and be on various radio- > shows (Chuck van Zyl, Bill Fox and Echoes). > I haven't seen or heard anything why this concert > couldn't continue and see no reason why we shouldn't > have a great time! > It gives a good feeling that many of you are coming > and would be great to meet to you. > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Sat Sep 29, 2001 1:56 pm Subject: 2 tickets for the 7.10.2001 late show Hi, I have still 2 tickets for the late TD show in Bernau for sale. Price 85 DM = original price (= $40) Contact me offlist at pr@r... regards, Peter From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Sep 29, 2001 4:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] video clips > > I found a site with some RealPlayer video clips.. > > then my system crashed! > > Can anyone please help? > >Get a Macintosh :) > >R > Hee, I'm not the only Mac person on this list... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Sep 29, 2001 11:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1053 Yes, let's trust that they must have a good reason. Don't they have to pay some sort of guarantee fee when they book these places that they then lose by cancelling? My point being, that I'm sure it isn't a decision that is being taken lightly. best regards to all my td friends... Liondream << Subject: Re: tour ahh more reasons come to light. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29308 Re: Digest Number 1053 Frank Arellano Sun 9/30/2001 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sun Sep 30, 2001 1:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1053 I find it hard to believe that the reason TD is postponing their US tour is because they're having problems getting their work visas approved in time. They should have this taken care of in advance ages ago! Hell, Marcel, Ruud and Frank can make it here in the US! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1053 > Yes, let's trust that they must have a good reason. Don't they have to pay > some sort of guarantee fee when they book these places that they then lose by > cancelling? My point being, that I'm sure it isn't a decision that is being > taken lightly. > > best regards to all my td friends... > > Liondream > > > << Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:23:51 -0700 > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' > Subject: Re: tour > > ahh more reasons come to light. > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.>>> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Sep 29, 2001 6:22 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] video clips I'll second that, I'm on an i-Mac which both TD and Jean-Michel Jarre have used in the past, the only time it ever crashes (extremely rarely) is when using Bill Gates' Internet Explorer, funny that...even then it's my fault because I cut it off prematurely in mid-download... Paul ---------- >De : 'John Vertical' >Ŕ : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : Re: [tadream] video clips >Date : Sam 29 sep 2001 18:00 > >> > I found a site with some RealPlayer video clips.. >> > then my system crashed! >> > Can anyone please help? >> >>Get a Macintosh :) >> >>R >> > > > Hee, I'm not the only Mac person on this list... > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29310 Re: Re : [tadream] video clips Richard Stevens Sun 9/30/2001 2 KB 29311 Re: Re : [tadream] video clips Marcel Engels Sun 9/30/2001 2 KB 29312 Re: Re : [tadream] video clips Richard Stevens Sun 9/30/2001 4 KB 29313 Re: Re : [tadream] video clips Marcel Engels Sun 9/30/2001 3 KB 29314 Re: Re : [tadream] video clips Richard Stevens Sun 9/30/2001 3 KB From: Richard Stevens Date: Sun Sep 30, 2001 8:00 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] video clips on 29/9/01 11:22 am, Paul Fellows at pfellows@c... wrote: > I'll second that, I'm on an i-Mac which both TD and Jean-Michel Jarre have > used in the past, the only time it ever crashes (extremely rarely) is when > using Bill Gates' Internet Explorer, funny that...even then it's my fault > because I cut it off prematurely in mid-download... > > Paul If mac's crash it's usually down to memory problems :) with the Pc it could be literally anything R Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29311 Re: Re : [tadream] video clips Marcel Engels Sun 9/30/2001 2 KB 29312 Re: Re : [tadream] video clips Richard Stevens Sun 9/30/2001 4 KB 29313 Re: Re : [tadream] video clips Marcel Engels Sun 9/30/2001 3 KB 29314 Re: Re : [tadream] video clips Richard Stevens Sun 9/30/2001 3 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Sep 30, 2001 12:16 pm Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] video clips > From: Richard Stevens [mailto:richard.stevens4@b...] > > If mac's crash it's usually down to memory problems :) > > with the Pc it could be literally anything I had no crashes ever with my old laptop running windows 3.11 and cubase. :-) Also on my desktop PC running windows2000 I had no problems either and I'm doing everything with it from internet/email to graphics to music. But is it all that important? :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29312 Re: Re : [tadream] video clips Richard Stevens Sun 9/30/2001 4 KB 29313 Re: Re : [tadream] video clips Marcel Engels Sun 9/30/2001 3 KB 29314 Re: Re : [tadream] video clips Richard Stevens Sun 9/30/2001 3 KB From: Richard Stevens Date: Sun Sep 30, 2001 9:51 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] video clips on 30/9/01 5:16 am, Marcel Engels at mengels@w... wrote: >> From: Richard Stevens [mailto:richard.stevens4@b...] >> >> If mac's crash it's usually down to memory problems :) >> >> with the Pc it could be literally anything > > I had no crashes ever with my old laptop running > windows 3.11 and cubase. :-) > Also on my desktop PC running windows2000 I had no > problems either and I'm doing everything with it > from internet/email to graphics to music. > But is it all that important? :-) I was being A bit satirical, I'm not saying that all pc's are shit, very often, the hardware is a factor as well as the OS. In answer to you query, no it's not that important, it's good to have a computer that you comfortable with. if it's a PC then fine, if it's Mac then fine. Windows2000 is quite a robust operating system ,I don't doubt that, but in making it robust MS have created alot of disadvantages too. I don't particulary hate PC's, I think they are clunky and awkward in terms of Hardware, i.e (ancient technology like interrupts etc) crappy Plug n Play interface, but after all it's the architecture that I first learned about computers and computing, I was a hacker and used Unix/Linux and Windows on PC's also doing programming and Software Engineering. I first used the internet on PC's Maybe it's the fact that I spent more time messing about getting inside the guts of the PC/Building them and stuff that turns me off them now. The Thing I love about Mac's is that you don't require stupid knowledge to make them work. I have found Mac's to be slightly cheaper in the long run as I had about 4 PC's in 7 years and 1 Macintosh in 4 years. I havn't felt the need to upgrade it regulary as I did with My PC years. I would never consider changing from Macintosh to PC for Home use, although if someone gave me a PC for free I wouldn't turn it down as these things can have a decent resale price :) wink wink Richard Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29313 Re: Re : [tadream] video clips Marcel Engels Sun 9/30/2001 3 KB 29314 Re: Re : [tadream] video clips Richard Stevens Sun 9/30/2001 3 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Sep 30, 2001 2:31 pm Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] video clips > From: Richard Stevens [mailto:richard.stevens4@b...] > > I don't particulary hate PC's, I think they are clunky and > awkward in terms > of Hardware, i.e (ancient technology like interrupts etc) crappy > Plug n Play > interface, but after all it's the architecture that I first learned about > computers and computing, I was a hacker and used Unix/Linux and Windows on > PC's also doing programming and Software Engineering. I first used the > internet on PC's Every hardware or software I had worked. > I would never consider changing from Macintosh to PC for Home > use, although > if someone gave me a PC for free I wouldn't turn it down as these > things can > have a decent resale price :) wink wink I just find it strange that almost all macintosh users react like this...a bit anti PC. I personally don't care that much which computer is best or is easier to use. In terms of making music...cubase looks exactly the same on an atari, pc or macintosh and I worked on all 3 of them and had no problems with it. Maybe if you install a lot of software and uninstall it again then it may leave old files behind. Just to be on topic: what does TD use these days as their sequencing platforms? Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29314 Re: Re : [tadream] video clips Richard Stevens Sun 9/30/2001 3 KB From: Richard Stevens Date: Mon Oct 1, 2001 12:10 am Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] video clips on 30/9/01 7:31 am, Marcel Engels at mengels@w... wrote: >> From: Richard Stevens [mailto:richard.stevens4@b...] >> >> I don't particulary hate PC's, I think they are clunky and >> awkward in terms >> of Hardware, i.e (ancient technology like interrupts etc) crappy >> Plug n Play >> interface, but after all it's the architecture that I first learned about >> computers and computing, I was a hacker and used Unix/Linux and Windows on >> PC's also doing programming and Software Engineering. I first used the >> internet on PC's > > Every hardware or software I had worked. > >> I would never consider changing from Macintosh to PC for Home >> use, although >> if someone gave me a PC for free I wouldn't turn it down as these >> things can >> have a decent resale price :) wink wink > > I just find it strange that almost all macintosh users react > like this...a bit anti PC. I personally don't care that much > which computer is best or is easier to use. > In terms of making music...cubase looks exactly the same on an > atari, pc or macintosh and I worked on all 3 of them and had > no problems with it. > Maybe if you install a lot of software and uninstall it again > then it may leave old files behind. > Just to be on topic: what does TD use these days as their sequencing > platforms? What do you think? Stating the obviouis without doing so :) R From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun Sep 30, 2001 5:51 pm Subject: Auction on www.opticaldream.de Hi all Electronic Music Fans, now it is open my second auction this year. Over 90 items of electronic Music search a new home. Please visit my Auction on: www.opticaldream.de/dream/Auction2.htm Thank you for your visit. Heiko Neumann Germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Sun Sep 30, 2001 6:49 pm Subject: oops I forgot to change the 'subject' line of my last e-mail. Oops! My apologies to everyone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: scrooge@o... Date: Mon Oct 1, 2001 3:53 am Subject: Video clips OK, you are real funny guys but strange as it may seem I was not looking for advice on computer systems! I AM interested in finding the site with TD video clips. Can anyone please help me with that? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29318 Re: Video clips Antonio Nunes Mon 10/1/2001 2 KB 29319 Re: Video clips rwwear@b... Mon 10/1/2001 2 KB 29320 Re: Video clips John Vertical Mon 10/1/2001 3 KB 29328 Re: Video clips Marcel Engels Mon 10/1/2001 2 KB 29383 Re: Video clips Adele Outland Fri 10/5/2001 2 KB 29389 Re: Video clips Antonio Nunes Fri 10/5/2001 3 KB From: 'Antonio Nunes' Date: Mon Oct 1, 2001 12:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Video clips 'scrooge@o...' wrote: > > OK, you are real funny guys but strange as it may seem I was not > looking for advice on computer systems! > I AM interested in finding the site with TD video clips. > Can anyone please help me with that? There is a 5:44 video clip of Shepherd's Bush concert on the TD site: http://www.tangerinedream.de/movies/ Antonio MACINTOSH = Most Applications Crash. If Not, The Operating System Hangs MICROSOFT = Most Intelligent Customers Realize Our Software Only Fools Teenagers :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29319 Re: Video clips rwwear@b... Mon 10/1/2001 2 KB From: rwwear@b... Date: Mon Oct 1, 2001 12:45 pm Subject: Re: Video clips For anyone interested, there is a copy of The Keep on Laserdisc on eBay. --- In tadream@y..., 'Antonio Nunes' wrote: > > > 'scrooge@o...' wrote: > > > > OK, you are real funny guys but strange as it may seem I was not > > looking for advice on computer systems! > > I AM interested in finding the site with TD video clips. > > Can anyone please help me with that? > > There is a 5:44 video clip of Shepherd's Bush concert on the TD site: > http://www.tangerinedream.de/movies/ > > Antonio > > MACINTOSH = Most Applications Crash. If Not, The Operating System Hangs > > MICROSOFT = Most Intelligent Customers Realize Our Software Only Fools > Teenagers :-) From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Oct 1, 2001 1:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Video clips >From: 'Antonio Nunes' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' >Subject: Re: [tadream] Video clips >Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:02:07 +0100 > > > >'scrooge@o...' wrote: > > > > OK, you are real funny guys but strange as it may seem I was not > > looking for advice on computer systems! > > I AM interested in finding the site with TD video clips. > > Can anyone please help me with that? > >There is a 5:44 video clip of Shepherd's Bush concert on the TD site: >http://www.tangerinedream.de/movies/ > >Antonio > >MACINTOSH = Most Applications Crash. If Not, The Operating System Hangs > >MICROSOFT = Most Intelligent Customers Realize Our Software Only Fools >Teenagers :-) Ha ha ha... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Oct 1, 2001 2:02 pm Subject: performance visas... Perhaps Marcel and the gang can make it to play the gathering, but of course that's just one performance. I'd imagine securing visas for 25 performances (give or take Canada) for tangerine dream would be a tad more complicated. --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29340 Re: performance visas... Marcel Engels Tue 10/2/2001 2 KB 29341 Re: performance visas... Joe Shoults Tue 10/2/2001 3 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Mon Oct 1, 2001 2:50 pm Subject: platforms That's how I feel - whatever the heck works and lets me do my thing. Use both Mac and PC and both have their off and on days. Neither one is perfect. Anyway, re TD... Probably Mac for Cubase. Though it should be noted that Wavelab and Gigastudio (e.g. Nemesys) are pc only programs. See liner notes for DM3 <<>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29323 Re: platforms Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 10/1/2001 4 KB 29325 Re: platforms Richard Stevens Mon 10/1/2001 3 KB 29326 Re: platforms Richard Stevens Mon 10/1/2001 4 KB 29327 Re: platforms Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 10/1/2001 2 KB 29329 Re: platforms Richard Stevens Mon 10/1/2001 2 KB 29330 Re: platforms Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 10/1/2001 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Oct 1, 2001 5:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] platforms I prefer PC for ease of use and getting parts when I want to upgrade. I always have hated the MAC, even when I had to sell them. Something about having to scrap the whole system everytime a new os came out. Or the add on cards I wanted to use were in the hundreds to thousands of dollars. The case still stands however, what ever you feel comfortable with, use it. A long time ago I wrote a article that described the differences between the two. The bottom line when something like this: ' Left Brain folks get a PC, Right Brain folks don't need a computer, No Brain folks get a MAC.' I normally place MACs in preschool to middle school (due to the ease of re-installing the OS when the kids break them). PCs in High School esp. in job training classes. Recording Studios normally get MAC's. Mainly due to the software to do the job and the fact most will crash it a few times doing the job and it is easy to fix. PCs are what I use in my recording studio. I also place them in others whom I know have the technical skill to fix when needed. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 7:50 AM Subject: [tadream] platforms > That's how I feel - whatever the heck works and lets me do my thing. Use both Mac and PC and both have their off and on days. Neither one is perfect. > > Anyway, re TD... > > Probably Mac for Cubase. Though it should be noted that Wavelab and Gigastudio (e.g. Nemesys) are pc only programs. > > See liner notes for DM3 > > > << then it may leave old files behind. > Just to be on topic: what does TD use these days as their sequencing > platforms?>>> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29325 Re: platforms Richard Stevens Mon 10/1/2001 3 KB 29326 Re: platforms Richard Stevens Mon 10/1/2001 4 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Oct 1, 2001 6:21 pm Subject: Auction Picture Hi all, on my auction is it now better to see the picture`s of the auction items`s. go to: www.opticaldream.de/dream/Auction2.htm Regards auctionmaster - heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Richard Stevens Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 2:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] platforms on 1/10/01 10:00 am, Administrator for kay-net.com at admin@k... wrote: > I prefer PC for ease of use and getting parts when I want to upgrade. I > always have hated the MAC, even when I had to sell them. Something about > having to scrap the whole system everytime a new os came out. Or the add on > cards I wanted to use were in the hundreds to thousands of dollars. The case > still stands however, what ever you feel comfortable with, use it. > A long time ago I wrote a article that described the differences between the > two. The bottom line when something like this: ' Left Brain folks get a PC, > Right Brain folks don't need a computer, No Brain folks get a MAC.' > I normally place MACs in preschool to middle school (due to the ease of > re-installing the OS when the kids break them). PCs in High School esp. in > job training classes. Recording Studios normally get MAC's. Mainly due to > the software to do the job and the fact most will crash it a few times doing > the job and it is easy to fix. PCs are what I use in my recording studio. I > also place them in others whom I know have the technical skill to fix when > needed. From: Richard Stevens Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 2:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] platforms on 1/10/01 10:00 am, Administrator for kay-net.com at admin@k... wrote: > I prefer PC for ease of use and getting parts when I want to upgrade. I > always have hated the MAC, even when I had to sell them. Something about > having to scrap the whole system everytime a new os came out. Or the add on > cards I wanted to use were in the hundreds to thousands of dollars. The case > still stands however, what ever you feel comfortable with, use it. > A long time ago I wrote a article that described the differences between the > two. The bottom line when something like this: ' Left Brain folks get a PC, > Right Brain folks don't need a computer, No Brain folks get a MAC.' > I normally place MACs in preschool to middle school (due to the ease of > re-installing the OS when the kids break them). PCs in High School esp. in > job training classes. Recording Studios normally get MAC's. Mainly due to > the software to do the job and the fact most will crash it a few times doing > the job and it is easy to fix. PCs are what I use in my recording studio. I > also place them in others whom I know have the technical skill to fix when > needed. > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 7:50 AM > Subject: [tadream] platforms > > >> That's how I feel - whatever the heck works and lets me do my thing. Use > both Mac and PC and both have their off and on days. Neither one is perfect. >> >> Anyway, re TD... >> >> Probably Mac for Cubase. Though it should be noted that Wavelab and > Gigastudio (e.g. Nemesys) are pc only programs. >> >> See liner notes for DM3 >> >> >> <<> then it may leave old files behind. >> Just to be on topic: what does TD use these days as their sequencing >> platforms?>>> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ PC users have always has a pinmp and Prostirure relationship with windoze :) R From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Oct 1, 2001 6:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] platforms Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Richard Stevens' To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] platforms > PC users have always has a pinmp and Prostirure relationship with windoze :) > > R Perhaps. In my case it's business. After all both Apple and Microsoft have been very very good to me. I can't say that much for Unix other than my ISP/Hosting Service. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29329 Re: platforms Richard Stevens Mon 10/1/2001 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Oct 1, 2001 6:59 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Video clips > From: scrooge@o... [mailto:scrooge@o...] > > OK, you are real funny guys but strange as it may seem I was not > looking for advice on computer systems! > I AM interested in finding the site with TD video clips. > Can anyone please help me with that? I just found a site with all the 70s and 80s concert videos. Sadly it's not true. :-) I'm not sure but there are almost no TD video clips available to my knowledge. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Richard Stevens Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 3:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] platforms on 1/10/01 11:53 am, Administrator for kay-net.com at admin@k... wrote: > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Richard Stevens' > To: > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 7:43 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] platforms > >> PC users have always has a pinmp and Prostirure relationship with windoze > :) >> >> R > Perhaps. In my case it's business. After all both Apple and Microsoft have > been very very good to me. I can't say that much for Unix other than my > ISP/Hosting Service. > Unix must have the record for the longest running operating system ever, it originated in 1969, that makes 32, bloody hell :) R From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Oct 1, 2001 8:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] platforms Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- > > Unix must have the record for the longest running operating system ever, it > originated in 1969, that makes 32, bloody hell :) > > R Yep and it comes in more than 256 flavors! Ever try to un-hack a kernel that a fellow employee fixed up for ya? Don't get me wrong, Unix does has it's uses. Just make sure you get paid by the hour and not the job! From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Oct 1, 2001 9:31 pm Subject: HOB anaheim just called HOB anaheim just called to tell me that the November TD show is postponed to some time in January/February and that the tickets will be honored at that show--to call back in December some time to check on the confirmed date. Otherwise contact Ticketmaster for a refund. Well we kinda knew this already, but it's good to see they followed-up. --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Scott' Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 12:07 am Subject: Tour, politics & bin Laden I'm normally a daisy-carrying peacenik, but if they cancel the tour I'll kill bin Laden myself! :-) Personally, I don't mind the politics as long as they don't get out of hand. For me, this is the only way I have of contacting people outside the US, and I like to hear their points of view. Scott From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 5:01 am Subject: DreamWatchers Tales 2 Hi All, I'm wondering if anyone has given serious thought to the next DWT project and whether there are any masterpieces ready to be included? I've expressed interest in including a piece (might need some tidying up yet) and Joe has suggested that starting a discussion about it might be the way to get the ball rolling. The first one was a great success. Let's hope this next one will be as good if not better. How does one go about submitting the piece and in what format should it be? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29334 Re: DreamWatchers Tales 2 j.gordon Tue 10/2/2001 2 KB 29336 Re: DreamWatchers Tales 2 Yannick EDOM Tue 10/2/2001 3 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 5:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DreamWatchers Tales 2 i believe that yannick is already underway compiling pieces for DWT2, though the recent events in toulouse might have given a rest to the proceedings for a little while... getting in contact with yannick will tell you all you need to know: yannick.edom@s... ciao! j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 5:41 am Subject: Meeting in Bernau I'm not sure if this mail went through so I'll post it again. The following people will show up at the 'pre-show-get together' meeting in Bernau on October 7th: --Peter Ravn (Denmark) --Tommy Jacobsen (Denmark) --Heiko Neumann (Germany) --Heiko Heerssen (Germany) --Jerome & friend (Switzerland) --Vic Rek (USA) --Uwe Herold (Germany) --Peter Stoeferle (Germany) if he can make it on time The meeting starts at 5.30 pm (two hours before the start of the 1st show) in a restaurant called 'Leiterwagen' (http://www.leiterwagen.com), address is 'An der Stadtmauer 15' and it's not far away from the St.-Marien-Kirche were the concert will take place. It runs parallel to what seems to be the most important street (Berliner Strasse). You can find a detailed city map of Bernau at the following URL: 'http://www.bernau.de/stadtplan/b3.htm' Anyone who wants to join us please let me know off-list at 'heiko.heerssen@h...'. Regards Heiko H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29385 Meeting in Bernau Klaus Beschorner Fri 10/5/2001 2 KB 29417 Re: Meeting in Bernau Rainer Rutka Sat 10/6/2001 2 KB 29418 Bernau Roger Hartopp Sat 10/6/2001 2 KB 29421 Re: Bernau j.gordon Sat 10/6/2001 2 KB From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 7:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DreamWatchers Tales 2 Hi everyone > > I'm wondering if anyone has given serious thought to the next DWT project and whether there are any masterpieces ready to be included? > > I've expressed interest in including a piece (might need some tidying up yet) and Joe has suggested that starting a discussion about it might be the way to get the ball rolling. The first one was a great success. Let's hope this next one will be as good if not better. > > How does one go about submitting the piece and in what format should it be? > The Dreamwatchers' Tales is currently on its way as planned. I already have some tracks for the project but i'm still waiting for some contributors' tracks. To everyone who wants to be part of the project don't forget to send me your track until mid november for a project finalised for the end of the year. The artwork and design is currently on progress and maybe there will be a special design decided (DVD case design ?). I currently don't have enough pieces for the DWT as i'm still waiting for promised tracks. The recent Events in Toulouse won't delay the project as 'Studio Mirage' is far from the explosion. Hopr to hear from the contributors very soon as i need their tracks. Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Oct 1, 2001 7:37 am Subject: Meeting in Bernau Here's the current list of TD fans who will join the 'pre-show-get-together', time is 5.30 pm which is two hours before the start of the first 'Inferno' show. --Vic Rek (USA) --Uwe Herold (Germany) --Peter Ravn (Denmark) --Tommy Jacobsen (Denmark) --Heiko Heerssen (Germany) --Heiko Neumann (Germany) (will arrive a bit later) --Jerome & friend (Switzerland) --Peter Stoeferle (Germany) (if he can make it on time) The meeting place is a restaurant called 'Leiterwagen' (http://www.leiterwagen.com), the street is called 'An der Stadtmauer'. You can see a detailed city map of Bernau at: http://www.bernau.de/stadtplan/b3.htm If someone wants to join us please let me know off-list (heiko.heerssen@h...) Heiko From: 'Erik Sanborn' Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 5:27 pm Subject: new Schmoelling album in 2002 Hey Schmoelling fans, Johannes is planning on releasing a new studio album early in 2002! The working title is 'Recycle Or Die.' Check the web site of his record label for more details in the future: http://www.viktoriapark-records.de Click on 'News.' -Erik From: Felna Greymane Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 5:34 pm Subject: Artwork collection Hello everyone. I wanted to post a note to the lists to let you know that our attempt to make a comprehensive collection of boot/fan recording insert art is finally completed. There is no commercial TD artwork included. It is on one disc (667 Meg) and includes 600 titles of art (several with multiple different covers). You can see the list at: http://www.geocities.com/greymane98/Unofficial_Recording_Art.html Although it is not all inclusive of all the bootleg/fantape material out there, I think it is probably safe to say it is the single most comprehensive collection of art that has been gathered together in one place. I think all of the 'standard' and well known recording artwork has been included as well as a lot of obscure titles. I want to especially thank the people that helped contribute directly to this project (you know who you are). Your assistance was greatly appreciated! If you want to get a copy of this collection you can contact either Totta Rydqvist at tomas.rydqvist@g... or me (Jeff Stevenson) at greymane@k... Jeff Stevenson greymane@k... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29723 Re: Artwork collection toby.braddick@u... Tue 10/23/2001 3 KB 29838 Gigantic Private CD Sale Ken Beal Sat 10/27/2001 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 6:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] performance visas... > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > > Perhaps Marcel and the gang can make it to play the gathering, > but of course > that's just one performance. I'd imagine securing visas for 25 > performances > (give or take Canada) for tangerine dream would be a tad more complicated. I think it's a bit more complicated in TD's situation. They have to get work visa's...we don't. For us it's a 'grown out of hand' hobby and for them it's their job. Nonetheless we're very excited to play... Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 6:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] performance visas... not only that, but they have to get them for more than just the band members- anyone else like roadies would have to get them too. > -----Original Message----- > From: Marcel Engels [mailto:mengels@w...] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 2:27 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] performance visas... > > > > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > > > > Perhaps Marcel and the gang can make it to play the gathering, > > but of course > > that's just one performance. I'd imagine securing visas for 25 > > performances > > (give or take Canada) for tangerine dream would be a tad > more complicated. > > I think it's a bit more complicated in TD's situation. > They have to get work visa's...we don't. > For us it's a 'grown out of hand' hobby and for them it's > their job. > Nonetheless we're very excited to play... > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 7:06 pm Subject: twilight folder and star trooper revisited Now that the US tour has been postponed, I wonder if there's a greater chance of twilight folder and star trooper ssing the light of day? --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Oct 3, 2001 1:31 pm Subject: OT: You know your spending too much time with your synths when.. .. 1. You not only tap in time to the signal indicators on your car, but know exactly how many BPMs they're flashing at. 2. You go to hear a symphony orchestra and while your significant other is listening to the music, you're calculating the polyphony required to reproduce it. 3. Your neighbors are always asking your wife about 'those weird noises' coming from your house. 4. In addition to your in and out trays at work, you have one marked 'thru'. 5. Last Christmas you synced your Christmas tree lights to your TB-303. 6. The accelerator on your car has aftertouch. 7. You expect the cutoff frequency of your door to change when you turn the knob. 8. You hear thunder and marvel at how clean the low pass is. 9. Your telephone answering-machine message took 2 days to produce and you're planning on a remix. 10. You keep getting rid of furniture to make room for more gear. 11. Your idea of being productive is to scan the classifieds for cheap midi gear. 12. You're always turning the hot and cold water knobs on the sink looking for that 'perfect' mix. 13. Your idea of relaxing is sitting in the dark and watch your rack's lights blink and glow. 14. You perk-up on Sundays when you hear the word 'Prophet'. 15. You can tell the difference between 12dB/24dB filters by ear. 16. Every piece of clothing you own has a synth manufacturer's logo on it. 17. Synth manufacturers call YOU for technical support. 18. You stop at every garage sale and pawn shop in the hope of finding a Moog 55 for $50 or less. 19. You break out in a cold sweat when you drive past a keyboard store. 20. You carry around a picture of your modular in your wallet that you show everyone at least once. 21. Your monthly power bill is always well in the triple digits. 22. You believe Sampling Rates provide a true, mathematically pure measure of beauty. 23. The afterlife will include never ending opportunties to futs with really awsome synths without ever having to attend to mundane stuff like mowing the lawn. 24. You don't worry about temperature instabilities in some of your older gear because you never turn any of those machines off. 25. You have to start the day by checking the action of bandpass filters and comb filters or else you just don't feel 'normal.' 26. You head for your studio as soon as your girlfriend/wife goes to bed. 27. Your significant other says communication is important in a marriage, so you buy her a new K2600 of her own so the two of you can jam. 28. One day you step out of your studio and realize your family has moved out and you have no idea when it happened. 29. You believe the term 'fanatic' would apply to just about anything except the acquisition of synths and samplers. 30. The meaning of 'balance' in life has to do with prioritizing everything else in relation to the central importance of synths and samplers. 31. Your spend weeks overhauling your old recordings after you get a new keyboard. 32. You keep going over old Keyboard magazines thinkin you might spot a cool synth you missed somewhere along the way. 33. You name your first baby 'Yamaha' if it's a girl, 'Korg' if a boy; 34. You take the first pictures of your new born baby while she's sitting not on the bed or the potty, but on your studio mixer; 35. You tell your significant other that you're going to buy a new filter for the car, come back home with a Filter Factory or Sherman FilterBank, and try to explain that the knobs are for draining the old oil out; 36. When you brush your teeth you try to emulate the sound of a record being scratched; 37. You keep the A-Z of Analog Synthesisers by Peter Forrest in the drawer of your night-table and quote verses and phrases from it; 38. Your first baby gets born with a 1/4' patch cord attached instead of a regular umbilical one; 39. You have more lights in your studio than your x-mas decoration of the house and the tree together 40. You give 'em personal names instead of the brand names 41. Your significant other gets suspicious when you talk about that bright-green eyed black beauty with the great action. 42. No matter what the costs are, you'll spend it if you get your 1994 workstation buttons fixed. 43. Most places of the board near the pitch bender are completely smoothed out. 44. The walls of your studio start complaining about the weight they always have to toss. 45. Cables. Lots of 'em. 46. You unplugged your TV and ran an extension cord across your living room because you ran out of outlets. 47. You chose the TV because you're already using the outlet for the microwave. 48. And the fridge. 49. You play 'air-keyboard' while listening to your favorite synth solos 50. And you still 'tweak the filter' 51. You have knobs to adjust the A/D/S/R of your car's horn. 52. You do tweak your g/f's tits during sex so she will moan a different tone 53. Airplane pilots get confused by the flashing lights from your rig. 54. You can't find Fluffy, that kitten your kid brought home last spring, but there's an unusually large bulge in the patch cords on your modular synth. 55. You not only know the BPM of your car's signal indicators, but you've actually sampled them, and used the resulting sound in a rhythm part for a song. 56. When your wife says the mixer is broken, you experience a moment of sheer terror before she says 'I think it's the motor.' 57. You've made off with all your kids' sound-producing toys, to 'circuitbend' them (or, at the very least, to sample them). 58. You find yourself breathing into drinking glasses and wondering if the resulting heavy breathing sound would be of any use. Then you begin to wonder how the Darth Vader sound was produced, or, worse yet, try to figure out if the effect the drinking glass is imposing is more like a low- or a band-pass filter. 59. You can program a DX7. 60. And actually get the sound you want. 61. You spend more time at Guitar Center than at work. 62. You have trouble with cooking because when the recipe says to mix in an egg, you can't figure out what sound an egg makes. 63. You find the question 'how much groove could a groovebox groove if a groovebox could box groove?' amusing, and actually remember it for two months. Instead of remembering your anniversary. 64. Your idea of heaven would be very simple: a mind-controlled synth system that actually works and a really comfortable chair. 65. You believe any given Future Music magazine to be of higher literary merit than War and Peace. 66. You keep a bottle of superglue in your studio for re-attaching knobs you've again managed to break with overzealous tweaking. 67. You own a rackmount coffee mug holder, for those late-nite sessions. 68. You've ever wondered if the Waldorf Q and the Q from Star Trek have anything at all to do with each other (this indicates a few other things, besides being too into synths...) 69. 'Tweaking the filter' is an inside joke or euphemism in your group of friends. Your wife disapproves. 70. You can't understand what the obsession is with natural vocal parts...you wish they were all vocoded or otherwise freaked. 71. You get excited when you hear about the Trinity in church, and when something goes according to Prophecy, you get tingles all up and down your spine. 72. You wonder what the trade-in value of your car is....at Guitar Center. 73. Your wife gets really worried that somebody's sending you a virus via e-mail, whenever you get something from the great (albeit very German) guys at Access tech support. 74. You've created a virtual analog synth program. For your TI-83 calculator. 75. You think the House Committee for Unamerican Activities (headed by Senator McCarthy) should investigate Access, for making their c's look like hammer-and-sickles and for making all their synths red. 'And Clavia is next!' 76. You've wondered if the word 'nord' is written on Clavia synths in the same font that Bob Moog originally used to write 'moog' on his. 77. Your wife discovers your secret Bob Moog shrine 78. And doesn't like the implications of the big pink heart you put around his picture. 79. Your response to 'I'm pregnant' is: 'I guess that means the FIZMO has to go.' 80. Your wife also suggests you sell the MC505. 81. And get an RM1x instead. 82. So you will stop asking for it in your prayers at the dinner table. 83. You long for the days when monitors had knobs. 84. You weren't sure whether I meant computer monitors or studio monitors. 85. Your band-mate has ever asked you to write them into your will. 86. And you did. 87. You think that our number system should be based on increments of 128. 88. You've ever spent 6 hours tweaking a guitar sample you recorded instead of actually PLAYING the part. 89. You've ever dropped a piece of gear and cried. 90. Then you had to seek professional help. 91. And now your gigs are sponsored in part by Pfizer. 92. You're white and you've used the term 'phat' in a sentence. 93. You cry out 'Oh Moog' at ~that~ certain crucual moment. 94. The phrase 'cutoff knob' is dropped into conversation so casually that all the guys in your office cross their legs. 95. You intuitively know the modulation speed and depth settings for your blender, washing machine, tumble drier etc. 96. You set your Roland TR505 to 60 BPM and use it as an egg timer (this actually has been done!). 97. Wake up sweating from a nightmare where a technocidal maniac was chainsawing your Korg SP100 in half. 98. waking up from a nightmare noticing all your precious synths were traded for awful PSS-keyboards (did really happen) 99. resynthesising your door bell and wondering what is wrong with the ring modulation of the thing 100. knowing how to convert from 0-127 ADSR to 0-100 T1V1T2V2T3V3T4V4 (time variant amplifier on early digitized analogue systems) 101. lugging 2 40 lbs. synthesizers around on an extremely hot summer day for 1 mile through town just because no one else has the guts to do it (and the bus driver didn't feel like doing it). then notice your hat is half filled with sweat. (did really happen - school orchestra had a tour in munster, germany. one DX-7 under my arm, while the other one was carrying a JX-3P. no flightcases, no wheels, and a rubber hat on my head because we were doing a blues brothers act.) 102. You put a Santa hat on your DX-7 when Christmas time rolls around. 103. When you hear the newest cheesy trance lead, you run home and try to play it yourself. 104. You shed a small tear when someone knocks the cz-101 on harmony-central. 105. You wonder if the dude who programmed the presets into your cs1x is the same guy who painted the decals on the motorcycle that just passed by. 106. Your mom is worried because she constantly hears you and your friends talking about “tweaking”. 107. You’ve wondered if it would be possible to install a Triton on your dashboard, so that… 108. You could use your car as a midi controller! 109. A grin comes to your face, when your significant other calls back and says “Sorry, I was cutoff” 110. You wish Korg would start making automobiles. 111. When you go to Guitar Center, lay down a groove on an electribe, and then everyone else in keyboards starts playing along to your beat. 112. You have an action figure guarding your synthesizers. 113. Your lost in the woods, and your best friend gets hypothermia because you won’t sacrifice your minimoog to keep the fire going.. He soon dies… 114. But the pain is short lived… when you realize that in his will he left you his Ensoniq Mirage! 115. You’ve actually “strapped on” a keyboard… 116. and walked around in public! 117. You’ve sampled your sequencer’s metronome. 118. You wonder what EMU was thinking when they came up with “Mo Phat!” and “Planet Phat!” 119. You wonder what JoMoX was thinking when they came up with… JoMoX. 120. You get confused between your significant other and your synth: They both start screaming when you push their buttons. 121. You feel like Indiana Jones when you come across a genuine vintage synth. 122. You email Casio every other day begging them to release a new, state-of-the-art, phase synthesizer!! 123 - You ponder the possibility of setting up a giant digital whoopee cushion system, wherby midi triggers built into chairs around the house trigger off a fart sound on a sampler. 124 - You start recognising synthesisers (and sometimes synth PATCHES) when you go to the cinema/watch TV 125 - In the bit in the 'Karate Kid' where daniel-san is painting the fence, you unconsiously mutter 'Note-on, Note-off, Note-on, Note-off'. 126 - You start wondering what the sampling/bit rate of the female voice in talking lifts is. 127. You are the proud owner of every synth that's been reviewed in Keyboard magazine the last 10 years. 128.You and your congressman are drafting legislation that will make electronic music mandatory at shopping malls everywhere. 129. You doctor has diagnosed your hand problem as 'push button syndrome.' 130. You believe almost every news story has a hidden meaning about new advances in music technology. 131. You swing by at HC every half hour to make sure no new developments won't pass you by. 132. You're waiting for that new Operating System upgrade that will let you levitate. 133. You're working on a pocket calculator that generates different tekno tracks with the press of every button. 134. You think Frank Sinatra's 'Strangers in the Night' would make a new hit record if it were done with more contemporary synth sounds. 135. You believe Frank Sinatra was reincarnated as Moby. 136. You believe the only thing wrong with opera, polka, and country music is that they just don't have enough synths in them. 137. You have a midi accordion that triggers any module in your 10 foot rack. 138. You prefer to take dinner in your studio while you're 'working' rather than with the rest of the family 138. You prefer to take dinner in your studio while you're 'working' rather than with the rest of the family. 139, When your significant other insists you watch TV together, you're always awaiting for the commercials so you can squeeze in a few quick sample edits. 140. Your hands twitch and your mouth goes dry every time you hear an unfiltered note. 141. You can't get up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom without listening to your latest creations at least 4 or five times. 142. You've tied to explain to people that they need softsynths to really make The Force work. 143. You've decided to clean the cat box only twice a month in order to get 'more important things' done. 144. You've painted your studio black so as to get a more pure rendering of the lights on your gear. 145. Five computers arent enough to control everything in your studio 146. You not only notice that household appliances can generate cool tekno sounds, but also argue with your spouse about which is more suited for your next tekno masterpiece. 147. The mere hint of a chirpy tekno synth causes you to drool uncontrollably. 148. You've rewired the house for stereo in every room so that you can hear your music everywhere you go. 149. If you know for a fact that many great synth programmers were wicked French cooks in their previous incarnations 150. If you believe that birds and crickets are actually killer tekno synths in disguise. 151. When you go out to get the newspaper, you expect to see a story about a Korg and Roland merger and details about their plan to take over the world. 152. The people in the GC keyboard department haven't the faintest idea of what you're talking about whan you ask them a technical question. 153. After four years of remixing you're still not happy with the only background music MP3 you've ever uploaded to your website. 154. The real purpose of learning to program synths is to help reduce the amount of randomness in the universe. 155: You read a Roland or Yamaha manual, and think it makes perfect sense, in a clear, concise manner. 156: And you start with the Sys-Ex implementation section. 157: And it's for a peice of gear you don't even own or plan to, you just downloaded the manual for recreational reading. 158: You keep trading in girlfriends, but have never traded in a synth. 159: You would be happy to suffer through 11 more sequels of Keanu Reeve's bad acting just to see Matrix 12 written in big letters all over town. 160: You fondly reminice about the sound of the D-50 as having that 'Warm, vintage, digital sound' that today's VA's just can't capture. 161: You've actually called Yamaha to get them to reissue the FS1R, and thought they might listen to you 162: You've stopped going to Guitar Center entirely, because their display floor can't hold a candle to your bedroom. 163: When your cable TV picture get's fizzy, you check the box for a 'tune' button to correct for oscillator drift. 164: You have a poster hanging on the wall showing FM algorithm's 165: You routinely have to write cease and desist letter's to companies selling program sound banks, because they keep including patches that you programmed ten years ago. 166: Despite spending more and more on advertising, you realize that Roland and Yamaha Synth's are progressively getting lamer and lamer as time goes along. 167: You understand C-sound. 168. You start writing movie plots and casting synths as the main players. 169. And part of you actually thinks it would be a good idea. 169. You actually believe a particular device 'works' for a particular 'character' in the movie. 170. You've got ideas for sequels to your synth movies 171. You've collected more samplers after the age of 18 than baseball cards before the age of 16 172. You can recreate the sound of any family member's voice using only sine waves and additive synthesis 173. You can think of 172 reasons that you know you've been spending too much time with synths/samplers 174. If people groan and roll up their eyes when you pick out the music at a party. 175. If your idea of a good time is integrating MIDI and SCSI 176. If you window shop at Radio Shack and CompUSA just 'for thrills.' 177. If you need a checklist to turn on your rig. 178. If you stare at an orange juice container because it says CONCENTRATE, thinking maybe this calls for an adjustment of the 'Presence' and EQ controls on your refridge. 179. If you believe anyone who doesn't hang out at the HC Keys,Synths& Samplers forum is an alien. 180. You've ever called up your girlfriend to tell her you just bought a Juno 60 for $200 and it sounds totally phat. (I did this last night) 181. You spend your time at work alt-tabbing between the BBS Forums and your actual WORK. 182. You bought your own house just so you could use your studio monitors at full volume. 183. Your bedroom is soundproofed. 184. But you sleep in the living room. 185. You bought an extra ten-space rack and thought 'This'll hold me for another month.' 186. But it didn't. 187. You found out that Ogre is giving away his Jupiter 6, and you research the history of Skinny Puppy so you can win the contest. *Whew* hehe... :: beta :: http://www.zeropointmedia.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29357 Re: OT: You know your spending too much time wit Deb H-J Wed 10/3/2001 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Oct 3, 2001 3:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: You know your spending too much time with your synths when.... Thanks you Joe for pointing out some problems I been working on. Good list! Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Wed Oct 3, 2001 4:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Gathering -----Original Message----- From: tom george >How far a drive >is this from Atlanta? It took me 15 hours to drive from Nazareth to Roswell. I bet that Vic could cut some time off of that. (1) Because I could probably do the trip in under 14 hours for the next Okefenokee. (2) Philadelphia is a little (not much) closer. (3) I stop a lot to strech my bad back. FSP, Wave World, Chuck van Zyl, some Echoes people and I are planning a Friday (12 Oct) rendez-vous. Hopefully we will all dine together and then go see Orbital at the Trocadero. See http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html for details and links. Cheers, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From: Richard Stevens Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 12:47 am Subject: Favourite 10 Tangerine Dream albums Ok it's about that time for your favourite albums again? Richard From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Oct 3, 2001 5:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: You know your spending too much time with your synths when.. .. Wow, that was long... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Oct 3, 2001 5:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite 10 Tangerine Dream albums >Ok it's about that time for your favourite albums again? > >Richard > > Mine varies over time, but this one should give some hints: 1-Poland. Multiflavored. 2-Ricochet. Both hypnotic and symphonic. 3-Phaedra. Absolutely surreal. 4-Rubycon. See the two above. 5-Exit. This was my first one, so it's sort of a classic to me. 6-Force Majeure. 7-Stratosfear. 8-Livemiles. 9-Hyperborea. 10-Alpha Centauri. My top 10 pieces would make a more appropriate view of my tastes: 1-Ricochet Part 2. More depth than anywhere else. 2-Remote Viewing. Wistful but still energic... Again, the ones down from here may vary over time. 3-Cloudburst Flight. Extremely good evolution! 4-Stratosfear. Heard this one first at the age of five or six, and I still love it. 5-Song Of The Whale Part 2. Has the best piano and guitar solos I know of. 6-Cherokee Lane. Captivatingly hypnotic. 7-Phaedra. I've always liked surrealism. 8-Birth of Liquid Plejades. Raw existential agony in its deepest form. 9-Horizon, first half. Manages to get real depth while employing the rainbow sound palette of the 80s. 10-Kiew Mission. My first love. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Oct 3, 2001 6:06 pm Subject: [tadream] Least Favourite TD stuff I'm also throwing in a counterquestion. I know that about every piece has its lovers. Note the word 'about'. Now, which albums/pieces suck? Here's my 'waterbird it!'* list: Albums: -Thief. Starts out nice, but every piece gets eventually boring. Pieces: -United Goblins Parade. Lame. -Coldwater Canyon. Idea-free, despite the nice sequencers. -Sphinx Lightning, last half. Too cheesy. -The Cliffs Of Sydney. I'm not sure why... -Yucatan. Yawnnn... John Vertical * Here in Finland, we have a saying 'You can throw that at a water bird', meaning that something is useless. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29350 Re: Least Favourite TD stuff simon heath Wed 10/3/2001 2 KB 29352 Re: Least Favourite TD stuff quarlie@a... Wed 10/3/2001 2 KB 29355 Re: Least Favourite TD stuff PENFOLD Wed 10/3/2001 2 KB 29358 Re: Least Favourite TD stuff John Vertical Thu 10/4/2001 5 KB 29362 Re: Least Favourite TD stuff rubyconist@y... Thu 10/4/2001 3 KB 29365 Re: Least Favourite TD stuff mengels@w... Thu 10/4/2001 2 KB 29424 Re: Least Favourite TD stuff Greg Sun 10/7/2001 3 KB 29426 Re: Least Favourite TD stuff scfeldman@j... Sun 10/7/2001 2 KB 29427 Re: Least Favourite TD stuff Dennis Nigbur Sun 10/7/2001 3 KB From: 'simon heath' Date: Wed Oct 3, 2001 8:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Least Favourite TD stuff >John Vertical> >Albums: >-Thief. on a side note, it surprises me how different Thief,Exit and Tandram sound the quality of the sound more so than the music) despite being from the same sort of time. www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Wed Oct 3, 2001 7:51 pm Subject: Odp: [tadream] Least Favourite TD stuff > I'm also throwing in a counterquestion. I know that about every piece has > its lovers. Note the word 'about'. Now, which albums/pieces suck? Here's my > 'waterbird it!'* list: I don't like 220 Volt, Tyranny of Beauty, Turn the Tides, Dream Mixes III, Ambient Moneys (really strange album), Shy People and Firestarter. Transsiberia has about one good track - (the fourth i think, the slow one) Well I never understood Tangram (please mercy! ;) ) - the start is great but later? Somehow not my thing. station_mir _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29353 Re: Least Favourite TD stuff Matthew Stringer Wed 10/3/2001 3 KB 29407 Re: Least Favourite TD stuff Miguel Farah F. Sat 10/6/2001 2 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Oct 3, 2001 8:45 pm Subject: Re: Least Favourite TD stuff In a message dated 10/3/01 2:10:32 PM, johnvertical@h... writes: >I'm also throwing in a counterquestion. I know that about every piece has >its lovers. Note the word 'about'. Now, which albums/pieces suck? Nothing from Electronic Meditation has ever done anything for me. I'd have to say my least favorite post-Electronic Meditation track would be 'Funky Atlanta' from Rockoon. Although I haven't heard it in a while. Who knows, maybe next time I'll like it. --Daniel NP: Dream Theater--Awake (this album rules, BTW) From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Wed Oct 3, 2001 8:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Least Favourite TD stuff Shy People has some great tracks on it. 1st track side one (Crazy Diamond anyone?) and 2nd track side 2 is great. Don't like Tangram?!?!?!? Tsk Tsk!! I think the worst albums (IMO) are Mars Polaris (directionless and empty) and Alpha Centauri (way too many controlled substances)! Matt -----Original Message----- From: Michal Moroz [mailto:mirstacja@y...] Sent: 03 October 2001 20:51 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Odp: [tadream] Least Favourite TD stuff > I'm also throwing in a counterquestion. I know that about every piece has > its lovers. Note the word 'about'. Now, which albums/pieces suck? Here's my > 'waterbird it!'* list: I don't like 220 Volt, Tyranny of Beauty, Turn the Tides, Dream Mixes III, Ambient Moneys (really strange album), Shy People and Firestarter. Transsiberia has about one good track - (the fourth i think, the slow one) Well I never understood Tangram (please mercy! ;) ) - the start is great but later? Somehow not my thing. station_mir _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29407 Re: Least Favourite TD stuff Miguel Farah F. Sat 10/6/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Oct 3, 2001 9:13 pm Subject: TD - The Hits and the Misses Rather than assign numbers to my selections, I'm just putting them in chronological order. Thumbs-up Ricochet Force Majeure Pergamon Tangram Exit Poland Underwater Sunlight Canyon Dreams Livemiles Dream Mixes I Thumbs-down Zeit Atem Cyclone Three O'Clock High Turn of the Tides Tyranny of Beauty Deadly Care Zoning Great Wall of China Seven Letters From Tibet -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Oct 3, 2001 9:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Least Favourite TD stuff Lost Tale - KLEM CD (man this thing needed to be tossed back into the proverbial oven 'cause it's so underbaked!) Pete Isaacson aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Oct 3, 2001 9:36 pm Subject: Favorite/Least Favorite TD I really try not to have a least favorite. I guess the best way to judge is: which albums get the least spins. I'd have to say that of studio albums, Tyranny of Beauty, Rockoon, Electronic Med, and Zeit get the least plays. Most of the soundtracks don't get much play, with the notable exceptions of Risky Business, Flashpoint, Firestarter, Keep (all versions), Thief, and OF COURSE Legend (my absolute favorite TD soundtrack). Of live stuff Tournado gets the least plays (I don't have Valentine Wheels) because there's no part for the drums, but there they are ANYWAY! My favorites would be Ricochet, LiveMiles, Poland, Logos, Pergammon, and 220 Volt (in no particular order). You might surmise from this that I like the ones where the majority of the material is previously unreleased. All of those STAY in my 100-disc changer. That's saying alot, since I have over 500 CDs, and I limit my player to about 25-35 TD related discs. Of studio albums my favorites are: Stratosfear, Force Majeur, Tangram, Cyclone, Lily on the Beach, Underwater Sunlight, Exit, White Eagle, Hyperborea, Le Parc, and Alpha Centauri (I like the 'controlled substance' feel, without having to use any... See my review of Alpha Cent in the archives!) Mixed baggers: Goblin's Club (mostly great, with a few exceptions) Turn of the Tides (some great cuts, but not exceptional overall) Rubycon (gotta be in the mood for this one...) Encore (some great stuff, other parts sound like a bad bootleg) Melrose (Great start, pretty weak after first 2 tracks) Optical Race (Cat Scan and Sun Gate save this one) Tyger (title track gets annoying, rest is great!!) If I had to pick the best albums from each TD period: Early Alpha Centauri FFB Ricochet interim Force Majeur FFS Tangram FFH Underwater Sunlight FH Lily on the Beach FF 220 Volt James > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...] > I think the worst albums (IMO) are Mars Polaris > (directionless and empty) > and Alpha Centauri (way too many controlled substances)! > > Matt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29359 Re: Favorite/Least Favorite TD rubyconist@y... Thu 10/4/2001 2 KB 29361 NEW TOUR DATES!!!CHECK YOUR VENUE Robert Grabowsky Thu 10/4/2001 2 KB 29377 Re: Favorite/Least Favorite TD Joe Shoults Thu 10/4/2001 3 KB From: Deb H-J Date: Wed Oct 3, 2001 11:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: You know your spending too much time with your synths when.. .. Joe: Very long and very clever! Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 4:38 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Least Favourite TD stuff >>Well I never understood Tangram (please mercy! ;) ) - the start is great >>but later? Somehow not my thing. >> >Don't like Tangram?!?!?!? Tsk Tsk!! > I guess that would be breaking some Invisible Limits, but I understand why. Tangram sort of lacks the width of sound palette. The melodies are great, but e.g. the 2nd section of Set 2 (Why these are called 'sets' instead of 'parts', anyway? Is it because there are seven pieces but two different piece sets of Tangram?) sounds really annoying if the listener is a bit tired. The various voices are sort of recycled over time, even though they are used in an imaginative way. But for me, the main reason of liking electronic music over other similar instrumental stuff is exactly the multitude of sounds. Some ones, like the gurgling at end of Rubycon Part 1 are completely unachievable by acoustic means... >I really try not to have a least favorite. I guess the best way to judge >is: which albums get the least spins. > I wouldn't use that strategy. Some ones, especially Zeit and other neolithic stuff, require the listener to be in the same mood. These fit well to dark November nights, when there isn't even any snow lighting up the view... but these really don't mix with happy, sunny summer days. Some others then, like Hyperborea, go well with about every possible mood, due to the variety of the music. So picking a top ten list by the spins is a bit biased... >I'd have to say that of studio albums, Tyranny of Beauty, Rockoon, >Electronic Med, and Zeit get the least plays. Most of the soundtracks >don't >get much play, with the notable exceptions of Risky Business, Flashpoint, >Firestarter, Keep (all versions), Thief, and OF COURSE Legend (my absolute >favorite TD soundtrack). Of live stuff Tournado gets the least plays (I >don't have Valentine Wheels) because there's no part for the drums, but >there they are ANYWAY! My favorites would be Ricochet, LiveMiles, Poland, >Logos, Pergammon, and 220 Volt (in no particular order). You might surmise >from this that I like the ones where the majority of the material is >previously unreleased. All of those STAY in my 100-disc changer. That's >saying alot, since I have over 500 CDs, and I limit my player to about >25-35 >TD related discs. > >Of studio albums my favorites are: Stratosfear, Force Majeur, Tangram, >Cyclone, Lily on the Beach, Underwater Sunlight, Exit, White Eagle, >Hyperborea, Le Parc, and Alpha Centauri (I like the 'controlled substance' >feel, without having to use any... See my review of Alpha Cent in the >archives!) > >Mixed baggers: >Goblin's Club (mostly great, with a few exceptions) >Turn of the Tides (some great cuts, but not exceptional overall) >Rubycon (gotta be in the mood for this one...) >Encore (some great stuff, other parts sound like a bad bootleg) >Melrose (Great start, pretty weak after first 2 tracks) This reminds me... the first 40 seconds or so of Desert Train remind me of something I _know_ I've heard before. Any suggestions, guesses etc. what could it be? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29362 Re: Least Favourite TD stuff rubyconist@y... Thu 10/4/2001 3 KB 29365 Re: Least Favourite TD stuff mengels@w... Thu 10/4/2001 2 KB From: rubyconist@y... Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 5:52 am Subject: Re: Favorite/Least Favorite TD My least favourite is perhaps (from what I've got) is Zeit, Atem and The Great Wall of China. Zeit is too slow. Atem has good parts and it's better ambient what Zeit is, but overall it's little bit too slow. The Great Wall of China is sometimes cheesy and it's trying to duplicate too much Mars Polaris I think. Favourites are Rubycon, wich has the greatest bass sequence. Love it!! Alpha Centauri is great cosmic journey. Green Desert blows me away. Sorcerer is very dark. I don't know, my favourite albums change as my mood changes. Regards, TheInfection Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29361 NEW TOUR DATES!!!CHECK YOUR VENUE Robert Grabowsky Thu 10/4/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 5:53 am Subject: Auction end error Hi all, the End of my Auction is not May, but OCTOBER. Sorry for this mistake on my auction site. www.opticaldream.de/dream/Auction2.htm (over 90 items on auction!!!) Regards auctionmaster - heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29375 Re: Auction end error Joe Shoults Thu 10/4/2001 3 KB 29376 Re: Auction end error Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 10/4/2001 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 5:56 am Subject: NEW TOUR DATES!!!CHECK YOUR VENUE Hello all, I called Jannus Landing (St. Petersburg FL)today and as we all know the tour has been pushed back to Jan\Feb of next year. To my surprise tho, they had a new date scheduled already. Wednesday February 20, 2002 at 8PM Very good news except for it taking place on a Wednesday. So check your venues for new dates. THE HIGHLANDER From: rubyconist@y... Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 7:47 am Subject: Re: Least Favourite TD stuff --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > Tangram sort of lacks the width of sound palette. The melodies are great, > but e.g. the 2nd section of Set 2 (Why these are called 'sets' instead of > 'parts', anyway? Is it because there are seven pieces but two different > piece sets of Tangram?) sounds really annoying if the listener is a bit > tired. The various voices are sort of recycled over time, even though they > are used in an imaginative way. But for me, the main reason of liking > electronic music over other similar instrumental stuff is exactly the > multitude of sounds. Some ones, like the gurgling at end of Rubycon Part 1 > are completely unachievable by acoustic means... I know what you mean. Few parts are sometimes very annoying. I hate the marching cheesy part after three minutes in the set one. > I wouldn't use that strategy. Some ones, especially Zeit and other > neolithic stuff, require the listener to be in the same mood. These fit well > to dark November nights, when there isn't even any snow lighting up the > view... but these really don't mix with happy, sunny summer days. Some > others then, like Hyperborea, go well with about every possible mood, due to > the variety of the music. So picking a top ten list by the spins is a bit > biased... I agree. Moods change very rapidly sometimes. I said in my last post that my least favourite is Zeit, but it's the CURRENT situation. Ostin muuten Greed Desertin. En ole varma oliko se sinulla jo, mutta jos ei niin kannattaa ostaa. Pidän jokaisesta kappaleesta ja en viitsi miettiä miltä vuodelta mikäkin instrumentti on. Regards, TheInfection Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29365 Re: Least Favourite TD stuff mengels@w... Thu 10/4/2001 2 KB From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 8:19 am Subject: Favourite albums I agree with the people who would vary their choice of favourite depending on mood. There are times when I absolutely love the heaviness of Atem. Zeit is great when you just want to go somewhere else, and I don't know of any other album like it. Rubycon and Ricochet are great if you are in the mood for sequencer heaven. Hyperborea and Underwater Sunlight have some great sounds too and every one of the recordings up to that point IMO have good things on them. Disappointments for me are Logos - I was at the show when it was recorded and still remember the feeling of being underwhelmed by the show as a whole. Stratosfear starts well, but I find that it loses interest as it goes on. My favourite of all would be Edgar's 'Epsilon In Malaysian Pale' for it's sheer beauty. I have two copies of the LP (incase the first copy gets damaged) but I have never managed to find it on CD. Does anyone know where I could get a copy from ? Keep on Dreaming Toby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29366 Re: Favourite albums rubyconist@y... Thu 10/4/2001 2 KB 29368 Re: Favourite albums John Vertical Thu 10/4/2001 2 KB 29369 Re: Favourite albums toby.braddick@u... Thu 10/4/2001 3 KB 29372 Re: Favourite albums Matthew Stringer Thu 10/4/2001 2 KB 29391 Re: Favourite albums rubyconist@y... Fri 10/5/2001 2 KB 29373 Re: Favourite albums bert.hulshoff@d... Thu 10/4/2001 2 KB 29381 Re: Favourite albums John Marchington Thu 10/4/2001 4 KB 29395 Re: Favourite albums gmroger@p... Fri 10/5/2001 7 KB 29396 Re: Favourite albums Marcel Engels Fri 10/5/2001 4 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 8:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Least Favourite TD stuff / Sound clips > >I know what you mean. Few parts are sometimes very annoying. I hate >the marching cheesy part after three minutes in the set one. > You mean the one with the initial flute pattern still in the background or the one immediately after that? When I first time listened the album, I felt that I had been cheated by the violent cutoff transistion. --- This reminds me (I'm getting reminded a lot, am I?) - TD seems to have the bad habit of putting up the climaxes of some pieces in their diskography. Clips of Rubycon Part 2, Soundmill Navigator, Monolight, Force Majeure, Cloudburst Flight, Tangram Set 1(1), Mojave Plan, Melrose and Two Bunch Palms seem(sound?) to promise too much to the listener. I think that giving away the climaxes is sort of cheating. If you give the best parts for free and thus fool people to buy all the less great stuff as well, it feels like cheating. - Then again, if you put up the bad parts, no one will buy yor disk. I think that the optimal point of picking a clip would be just before the climax... as they've done in e.g. Ricochet Part 1. I'm not sure if this rant had a point... >Ostin muuten Greed Desertin. En ole varma oliko se sinulla jo, mutta >jos ei niin kannattaa ostaa. Pidän jokaisesta kappaleesta ja en >viitsi miettiä miltä vuodelta mikäkin instrumentti on. > >Regards, >TheInfection > No Dream Rootsissa on siitä suurin osa. Indian Summer ja Astral Voyager löytyvät sellaisenaan, White Cloudsista on pätkäisty puolisen minuuttia pois, ja nimiraidasta on vain se kitarasoolo tangentoituna versiona. Kiva on. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 10:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Least Favourite TD stuff About Tangram: > I know what you mean. Few parts are sometimes very annoying. I hate > the marching cheesy part after three minutes in the set one. I personally like all of Tangram. There is one part, and I think you mean this, that is a bit cheesy and that is that marching/flute thing. Somehow they've used these cheesy parts on other albums too...listen to the ending of Force Majeure. > Ostin muuten Greed Desertin. En ole varma oliko se sinulla jo, mutta > jos ei niin kannattaa ostaa. Pidän jokaisesta kappaleesta ja en > viitsi miettiä miltä vuodelta mikäkin instrumentti on. Ja, zo lust ik er nog wel een paar...als we allemaal in ons moerstaal gaan praten. (translation: if we all going to speak in our own language then it's going to be a long list...or something like that). Best albums: almost everything till '86 Not so good albums: almost everything they did after '86 (all imo) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: rubyconist@y... Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 9:01 am Subject: Re: Favourite albums > My favourite of all would be Edgar's 'Epsilon In Malaysian Pale' for > it's sheer beauty. I have two copies of the LP (incase the first copy > gets damaged) but I have never managed to find it on CD. Does anyone > know where I could get a copy from ? > > Keep on Dreaming > Toby I was wondering if it is harder to find TD's albums from United States for example? I have heard many people complaining that. Here in Finland it's pretty easy to find albums. I have bought 21 in the last year from different shops and my speed isn't slowing down. I'm always founding something new. Regards, TheInfection From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 10:35 am Subject: My 10 favoutite TD albums My ten favourite TD albums would be: - Tangram (definitely No. 1) Underwater Sunlight (definitely No. 2) Phaedra Rubycon Ricochet Flashpoint Legend Canyon Dreams Hyperborea Exit I would like to have found room for 'L'Affaire Wallraff (The Man Inside)', 'The Park is Mine', 'Near Dark', 'Wavelength', 'Thief' and -- believe it or not -- 'Cyclone' for Steve Jolliffe's instrumental work in 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' and the excellent 'Madrigal Meridian'. As others have already said, it can all depend on one's mood. 'Deadly Care', 'Dead Solid Perfect', 'Jim and Pablo -- The Meteor' and 'Ambient Monkeys' (what a racket!) would definitely NEVER make it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 11:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite albums >I was wondering if it is harder to find TD's albums from United >States for example? I have heard many people complaining that. >Here in Finland it's pretty easy to find albums. I have bought 21 in >the last year from different shops and my speed isn't slowing down. >I'm always founding something new. > >Regards, >TheInfection > I'd guess that finding stuff like Edgar's solo albums would be a bit harder than finding regular albums, even here. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29369 Re: Favourite albums toby.braddick@u... Thu 10/4/2001 3 KB 29372 Re: Favourite albums Matthew Stringer Thu 10/4/2001 2 KB 29391 Re: Favourite albums rubyconist@y... Fri 10/5/2001 2 KB From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 11:52 am Subject: Re: Favourite albums The most annoying thing for me about 'Epsilon' is that I saw it in a shop in Yorkshire while visiting friends. I assumed it had been remastered and released, so I decided I'd get it in London where I work. Big mistake as I've never seen it again ! If anyone should see it listed anywhere, please let me know. Thanks Toby --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > >I was wondering if it is harder to find TD's albums from United > >States for example? I have heard many people complaining that. > >Here in Finland it's pretty easy to find albums. I have bought 21 in > >the last year from different shops and my speed isn't slowing down. > >I'm always founding something new. > > > >Regards, > >TheInfection > > > > > I'd guess that finding stuff like Edgar's solo albums would be a bit harder > than finding regular albums, even here. > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 12:03 pm Subject: [tadream] Re: Tracks that suck Optical Race. That track is just diabolical. It's a shame because a couple of pieces on the album are actually quite nice. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 03 October 2001 21:45 Subject: [tadream] Re: Least Favourite TD stuff > In a message dated 10/3/01 2:10:32 PM, johnvertical@h... writes: > > >I'm also throwing in a counterquestion. I know that about every piece has > >its lovers. Note the word 'about'. Now, which albums/pieces suck? > > Nothing from Electronic Meditation has ever done anything for me. I'd have to > say my least favorite post-Electronic Meditation track would be 'Funky > Atlanta' from Rockoon. Although I haven't heard it in a while. Who knows, > maybe next time I'll like it. > > --Daniel > NP: Dream Theater--Awake (this album rules, BTW) > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 1:46 pm Subject: ZEIT I that about 10 years ago someone said that they played twos recordings of ZEIT simultaneously, but the second source was started a few seconds later than the first, so that things were a bit out of phase... But apparently it added a new dimension to the album...I haven't tried doing it yet, but may do it some day... >>> toby.braddick@u... 10/04/01 04:19AM >>> I agree with the people who would vary their choice of favourite depending on mood. There are times when I absolutely love the heaviness of Atem. Zeit is great when you just want to go somewhere else, and I don't know of any other album like it [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29374 Re: ZEIT John Vertical Thu 10/4/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 12:54 pm Subject: Re: Favourite albums Fave Albums - Stratosfear Rubycon Live Miles Poland Logos Tangram Le Parc Phaedra Encore Underwater Sunlight Fave Vocal track - London! Least liked albums - Mars Polaris Transsiberia Goblins Club Quinoa Hollywood years 1 Hollywood years 2 Dream Mixes 1 Dream Mixes 2 Tournado Alpha Centauri Matt From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 2:14 pm Subject: Re: Favourite albums Fave Albums - (always playable) Encore Zeit Stratosfear Cyclone Live Miles Logos Tangram Phaedra Mars Polaris Poland Rubycon Least liked albums - (seldom played) Zones Optical Race Lily on the Beach Melrose Not knowing what to do with... albums - ( playing has to do with my mood) Seven Letters from Tibet Greetings Bert From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 5:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ZEIT >I that about 10 years ago someone said that they played twos recordings of >ZEIT simultaneously, but the second source was started a few seconds later >than the first, so that things were a bit out of phase... But apparently it >added a new dimension to the album...I haven't tried doing it yet, but may >do it some day... I've tried that with Stratosfear(just the title track) playing from 4 sources... one cassette version, two CD versions and one mp3 version... it was more than a bit surreal... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 6:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Auction end error haha- better WATCH it around this crowd! ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... [mailto:NEUMANN.H-J@t...] > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:53 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Auction end error > > > Hi all, > > the End of my Auction is not May, but OCTOBER. > > Sorry for this mistake on my auction site. > www.opticaldream.de/dream/Auction2.htm (over 90 items on auction!!!) > > Regards > auctionmaster - heiko > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Auction end error Starting to hate the word Auction. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Auction end error > haha- better WATCH it around this crowd! ;-) From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 6:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Favorite/Least Favorite TD same here. it's kind of like someone asking you who is your favorite child (when you have many). Each I like for their own particular reasons, and more or less at different times. I can say though, that there are ones that stand out no matter what: Tangram (perfect all the way thru) Force Majeure (perfect except for about 45 seconds at the end of track 1) The Soldier (I know it's not official, but this soundtrack takes some of the best of the best from the albums of that period, and gives great hints of albums to come (e.g. dolphin dance)) the others have little parts or single songs that I don't like, but otherwise are in my top 10, not in any particular order: Underwater Sunlight Goblin's Club Zeit Ambient Monkeys (yes, I'm weird) Green Desert Poland Ricochet Logos (all except for 'Dominion' part) Stratosfear Sorceror DM 3 DM 1 Private Music of TD (compilation taking best of 'Melrose years') Things I definitely can say I don't care for: Destination Berlin Near Dark (some is OK, but NOT Caleb's Blues) I just can't decide on Cyclone. The vocals are definitely bad, but the music is great. But then, I used to think the same thing about Tyger. Wait- I still do, no wait, no I like it. No- Jocelyn is just too artsy-fartsy. But that's the point, isn't it? or is it? But I like it anyway. It's sorta like the fat chick/moped joke: it's fun until your friends find out. > -----Original Message----- > From: rubyconist@y... [mailto:rubyconist@y...] ... > Sorcerer is very dark. I don't know, my favourite albums change as my > mood changes. > From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 3:11 am Subject: TD's finest moments Hi all, Having read the recent posts with great interest, I couldn't resist adding a list of my own favourite TD pieces and why..... Ricochet Part 2 - The finest sustained example of TD's mid 70's multi-texturing. Awesomely complex, and years ahead of its time. Tangram Set 1 - A limited palette of sounds, but the compositional creativity and restlessness on show means the music is constantly evolving, and that any one theme is short lived. The musical equivalent of an airplane journey over a rapidly changing landscape. White Eagle - Somehow very regal and stately, indulging in a deserved crescendo before returning to its evocative theme. Logos Part 1 - TD had a new energy here, a blend of searing beauty and a sense of constant, brooding anticipation in the second half. Hyperborea - Has the ability to elevate the unsuspecting listener to another plane entirely. Incredibly evocative. Tangent (entire side 2 from 'Poland') - More accessible than 'Logos', but confirmed that TD could evoke a sense of imaginative power from relatively simple compositions. Warsaw In The Sun - Such an uplifting track, classic arrangement and melodies, TD at their most commercial and memorable Yellowstone Park - Haunting subtlety and understated power. Sounds so delicate and unintimidating at first, yet is far deeper than it seems. Song Of The Whale Part 1 - From subtle beginnings it reaches a dramatic, emotional high, before being brought to a poignant finale. Magnificent. Alchemy Of The Heart - Intriguing and complex at first, eventually leaving the listener contemplating its moments of pointed melancholy. LiveMiles Part 1 - A seamless half hour, encompassing passages of both unapologetic rhythm and solemn majesty. Vastly underrated. Marakesh - Breaks no compositional barriers as such, but in a way showcases a TD capable of summing themselves up in one track, and after the departure of Tyger, this proved that TD still had a very determined, disciplined edge to their sound. Long Island Sunset - The patient build is deliberate and soulful, the furious peak hard to resist, while the soothing coda is perfectly pitched. Original live version of Longing For Cashba, as played at Berlin 1990 - An absolute crime to leave this unreleased for so long. After the style and relative subtlety of Melrose, where did this come from? The entire 12 minutes exhibits how music can be effotlessly beaufitul and almost overwhelmingly powerful at the same time. Seems to contain everything you could ever want from a TD track, and a perfect example of how instruments can almost tell a story from within themselves. One to really cherish. Red Roadster - Distant cousin to Long Island Sunset, but with a more intersting structure and a more undisciplined sound. Hugely underrated track. Vanishing Blue - Almost defining the life cycle of a living being, this track sums up everything TD are capable of. Carefully establishes itself layer by layer, patiently growing with time, before reaching maturity and levelling off in the stratosphere for its finest moments. Eventually, its life runs its course, and is gradually brought back down to earth, becoming calmer and more serene, until a final flurish signals its end. One of my absolute favourites. Towards The Evening Star - TD gained much lost ground in the mid 90's with this. Fresh, full of invention and direction, it seems to define the best of the Edgar and Jerome period. Time Square - Contains such familiar elements, and yet evolves into something entirely new and vital. A return to the classic sound of the early 80's. Comet's Fugure Head - Compositional epic, and conclusive proof that TD can still surprise us with a new classic. Maybe just a new slant on familiar themes, but each instrument seems to have a purpose, and the entire arrangement fits together like a jigsaw. The best thing they've done in 10 years, maybe more. If you're still with me at this point, thanks for reading, and I hope this prompts some more of you into sharing your TD favourites with everyone. Dream on, - Chris Owen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29380 Re: TD's finest moments Owens, James Thu 10/4/2001 2 KB 29386 Re: TD's finest moments Dennis Nigbur Fri 10/5/2001 8 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 7:34 pm Subject: Re. favourites/least favourites Hi here is ten of the best no particular order. Poland White eagle Logos Force majeure Melrose Oasis Mars polaris Goblins Club DM 3 Underwater Sunlight And 10 of the worst Electronic Meditation Zeit Atem Ambient monkeys Three O' clock high Dead Solid perfect Rockoon Tyranny of beauty Flashpoint Near Dark I am sure it will probably change next week LOL Cheers Gary. C From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 7:45 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD's finest moments Chris, Thanks for sharing you interpretations of these. Some of these I know by heart, other I will have to listen to again to see if I can see what you see in them. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Owen [mailto:chris@o...] > > Having read the recent posts with great interest, I couldn't > resist adding a list of my own favourite TD pieces and why..... From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 9:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite albums I can sympathise with you, Toby, as I had the same misfortune with a recording of a Bruckner symphony many years ago. It was the performance of the 7th that I got to know the work by on LP and I saw the CD of it in a local shop one Friday night. I couldn't afford to buy it then so decided to go back and get it the following week -- and of course someone else beat me to it in the meantime. I never saw another copy of it and the record company concerned deleted it soon afterwards. It's but a memory now. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:52 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Favourite albums > The most annoying thing for me about 'Epsilon' is that I saw it in a > shop in Yorkshire while visiting friends. I assumed it had been > remastered and released, so I decided I'd get it in London where I > work. Big mistake as I've never seen it again ! > > If anyone should see it listed anywhere, please let me know. > > Thanks > Toby > > --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > > >I was wondering if it is harder to find TD's albums from United > > >States for example? I have heard many people complaining that. > > >Here in Finland it's pretty easy to find albums. I have bought 21 > in > > >the last year from different shops and my speed isn't slowing down. > > >I'm always founding something new. > > > > > >Regards, > > >TheInfection > > > > > > > > > I'd guess that finding stuff like Edgar's solo albums would be a bit > harder > > than finding regular albums, even here. > > > > John Vertical > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Oct 4, 2001 11:25 pm Subject: ticketmaster reporting jannus landing 2/20/02 ticketmaster is now selling tickets for TD's jannus landing st pete's fla concert 2/20/02. Confirming the earlier report here. If the tour were to follow the time frame of the postponed 2001 US tour that would put HOB anaheim (27 days post-jannus) on Tuesday March 19th. Or if you are paying attention San francisco on Sunday March 17th, Ventura Monday March 18th, and HOB Sunset Strip Wednesday March 20th. Is this in time for Spring Break? --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 12:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Video clips My computer (yes it's a pc) will not stream this video from its current location. What am I doing wrong? Thanks. 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'Antonio Nunes' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' >Subject: Re: [tadream] Video clips >Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:02:07 +0100 >There is a 5:44 video clip of Shepherd's Bush concert on the TD site: >http://www.tangerinedream.de/movies/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 12:11 am Subject: Unsubscribe Is there a moderator on this list who could unsubscribe me? Yes, I know, just go to the website and unsubscribe, but I can't. I joined this group when it was an E group, I can't remember any of the details I used including the password. I have tried but I get nowhere. It's nothing personal, I'm just not into TD the way you guys are and I am tired of just deleting stuff every day. Anyone help? Phil. From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Oct 2, 2001 12:50 pm Subject: Meeting in Bernau Hi all, it seems to be confirmed now. I should be in Berlin/Bernau Saturday early afternoon till Monday morning, will be staying at the Forum Hotel Bernau. I'll see to be at Heiko's pre-show meeting, if anybody wants to get together at some other time, email me before Saturday or call my mobile phone: +49 174 315 7754 cheers, klaus From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 9:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD's finest moments Vanishing Blue? Where's that from? Thanks for sharing this with us, Chris. Although I don't agree with some of your 'finest moments' (I think that 'Red Roadster' is one of the weaker tracks even in the context of 'Rockoon'), it was interesting to read your interpretation of things. Personally, I find it easier to pinpoint my least favourite moments. I suppose that's a good thing, which shows that I like most of TD and find some merit even to bits of 'Rockoon' and 'Tyranny of Beauty'. Something on every album is bound to impress me. But I agree with you insofar as I consider 'Mars Polaris' the culmination (so far) of a recovery that was set in motion with 'Goblins' Club'. I'm looking forward to the next studio album (hoping it doesn't turn out to be another Dream Mixes). Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Chris Owen' To: 'tadream Mailing List' Sent: 05 October 2001 04:11 Subject: [tadream] TD's finest moments > Hi all, > > Having read the recent posts with great interest, I couldn't resist adding a list of my own favourite TD pieces and why..... > > > Ricochet Part 2 - The finest sustained example of TD's mid 70's multi-texturing. Awesomely complex, and years ahead of its time. > > Tangram Set 1 - A limited palette of sounds, but the compositional creativity and restlessness on show means the music is constantly evolving, and that any one theme is short lived. The musical equivalent of an airplane journey over a rapidly changing landscape. > > White Eagle - Somehow very regal and stately, indulging in a deserved crescendo before returning to its evocative theme. > > Logos Part 1 - TD had a new energy here, a blend of searing beauty and a sense of constant, brooding anticipation in the second half. > > Hyperborea - Has the ability to elevate the unsuspecting listener to another plane entirely. Incredibly evocative. > > Tangent (entire side 2 from 'Poland') - More accessible than 'Logos', but confirmed that TD could evoke a sense of imaginative power from relatively simple compositions. > > Warsaw In The Sun - Such an uplifting track, classic arrangement and melodies, TD at their most commercial and memorable > > Yellowstone Park - Haunting subtlety and understated power. Sounds so delicate and unintimidating at first, yet is far deeper than it seems. > > Song Of The Whale Part 1 - From subtle beginnings it reaches a dramatic, emotional high, before being brought to a poignant finale. Magnificent. > > Alchemy Of The Heart - Intriguing and complex at first, eventually leaving the listener contemplating its moments of pointed melancholy. > > LiveMiles Part 1 - A seamless half hour, encompassing passages of both unapologetic rhythm and solemn majesty. Vastly underrated. > > Marakesh - Breaks no compositional barriers as such, but in a way showcases a TD capable of summing themselves up in one track, and after the departure of Tyger, this proved that TD still had a very determined, disciplined edge to their sound. > > Long Island Sunset - The patient build is deliberate and soulful, the furious peak hard to resist, while the soothing coda is perfectly pitched. > > Original live version of Longing For Cashba, as played at Berlin 1990 - An absolute crime to leave this unreleased for so long. After the style and relative subtlety of Melrose, where did this come from? The entire 12 minutes exhibits how music can be effotlessly beaufitul and almost overwhelmingly powerful at the same time. Seems to contain everything you could ever want from a TD track, and a perfect example of how instruments can almost tell a story from within themselves. One to really cherish. > > Red Roadster - Distant cousin to Long Island Sunset, but with a more intersting structure and a more undisciplined sound. Hugely underrated track. > > Vanishing Blue - Almost defining the life cycle of a living being, this track sums up everything TD are capable of. Carefully establishes itself layer by layer, patiently growing with time, before reaching maturity and levelling off in the stratosphere for its finest moments. Eventually, its life runs its course, and is gradually brought back down to earth, becoming calmer and more serene, until a final flurish signals its end. One of my absolute favourites. > > Towards The Evening Star - TD gained much lost ground in the mid 90's with this. Fresh, full of invention and direction, it seems to define the best of the Edgar and Jerome period. > > Time Square - Contains such familiar elements, and yet evolves into something entirely new and vital. A return to the classic sound of the early 80's. > > Comet's Fugure Head - Compositional epic, and conclusive proof that TD can still surprise us with a new classic. Maybe just a new slant on familiar themes, but each instrument seems to have a purpose, and the entire arrangement fits together like a jigsaw. The best thing they've done in 10 years, maybe more. > > If you're still with me at this point, thanks for reading, and I hope this prompts some more of you into sharing your TD favourites with everyone. > > Dream on, > > - Chris Owen > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 9:57 am Subject: JF interview Hi. I've just found a small interview with Jerome at that url -> http://members.aol.com/rmdark/MyArtVer.htm Unfortunately, my german is more than bad so if anyone interested in translating (unless it's already been done)! Thomas ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29388 Re: JF interview bert.hulshoff@d... Fri 10/5/2001 10 KB 29390 Re: JF interview Dennis Nigbur Fri 10/5/2001 11 KB From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 10:09 am Subject: RE: [tadream] JF interview Hi. I've just found a small interview with Jerome at that url -> http://members.aol.com/rmdark/MyArtVer.htm Unfortunately, my german is more than bad so if anyone interested in translating (unless it's already been done)! Thomas hELLO Thomas here is A FAST TRANCELATION ( not corrected) Greetings Bert TRANCELATED AT http://www.altavista.com/sites/babelfish Tangerine Dream - if the father with the son One finds key boards today almost in each children's room. And without sequencers the entire Techno scene would have remained probably saved for us. Who wants to know, who debt at everything is, which may read this article. Renald Mienert conversed with Jerome Froese, the son of Edgar Froese, which based before thirty years Tangerine Dream, tape, which along-plays still quite in front today in the league of the electronic skirt music. The junior showed himself in the best way informed about events, which took place partially, when he was still not at all born. Today Tangerine Dream is already legend. Before thirty years your father had however opportunity to become acquainted with one of the schillerndsten personalities of the art of the twentieth century at all. What has to do a student 1967, in order by Salvador Dali to be loaded? Edgar studied painting and sculpture at that time. One of its study colleagues applied with Dali as a pupil and was actually assumed. Dali organized such amusing Feten and this colleague Edgar loaded there to under-paint these with music. At that time Edgar played however still with its old tape - The Ones. From this then a rather close contact, one developed can almost say, it became buddies. If I listen to the early things, such titles such as time, illusion, alpha Centauri, that everything was still very experimental and there were hardly real melodies. So for instance 1973 gave it then however a considerable branch in the development. I believe Phaedra. can as example apply here. How see to her today these early albums? Were they a type necessary preliminary stage for the typical TD sound? If I look at myself Grimoire in such a way, actually exactly these early things would be correct for you. Thus Synthesizer in the form did not give it at that time yet at all. Additionally the technique was at that time sow expensive. Such people such as Keith Emerson, which knead enough had, could perhaps take the liberty it to place such Dinger on the stage. TD at that time tried beside the normal music instruments to produce with all possible things, the so been any sound - up to coffee machines. With Phaedra. that fell tape then a Moog into the hands. Phaedra. was also the first disk in the music history, at which with Sequenzing one operated. To her wait often quite crude criticisms exposed. How do you deal with it? If one over an album, as Phaedra., which was nevertheless gilded in many countries, says: Leute eat from more scheisse, 100000 flies can do not err, then is not the even fine English type... Start of the eighties the people gemeckert, because we did not sound any longer as in the Siebzigern. In the Neunzigern them then the eighties were no longer good enough. We develop ourselves stop further continuously. When we stepped for the first time on Le Parc. with shorter pieces to the public, one threw commercial to us scheiss forwards. Those partially resemble people regard the album today as a milestone. Criticism should be constructional. If one says, schmeiss your instruments from the window, include you and do not come again raus - sowas does not interest us at all. You made many sound TRACKS - for Near Dark, Sorcerer, Thief, Firestarter, putting. Many Thriller, horror, in addition, relations crates. Which prerequisites does a film have to fulfill that you write the music for it? Klaus Schulze has the sound TRACK with Body Love to a Porno written..... If you want to operate in Hollywood, you try naturally only once a leg into the door to wars. First kriegst you the film script, reads it you, says to OK ONE or also not. The film script states certainly over the film still nothing. You can have the best film script, and the finished film is then total scheisse. Then you see the finished film, and say there then again or no. If one wants into this scene purely, one rejects naturally first nothing. You think: Man if I that now not make, then are immediately raus.. Thus you assume only times as much as possible, particularly, if it concerns lucrative supplies. With The Sorcerer. came to Friedkin, which found probably our music quite exotic, on us and said, exactly the same something wants I in my film to have. We would have made almost still the Exorzisten., but that did not fold then no more. We made then - films for two Michael man, and that attracted the people. Up to then there was this typical Filmmusiken as from Goldsmith or Maurice the Jarre, which controlled the sound TRACK scene. With our electronics crates one was there naturally the total Exot. Synthies began in the Achtzigern to become affordable and certainly we were quite soon copied. How does sound TRACK writing actually function? You kriegst then thus a Tape with nem time code, a Script from which you infer can, you are particularly to emphasize which scenes - after the fifth, sixth film one knows then naturally, on which it arrives and can act also relatively independently. As it came to the idea, a route by the GDR to make. First a concert, the disk, but quite soon a route by some larger cities... These first two Gigs were actually an absurdity. Which for a paper war in the apron took place there, today no more humans can reconstruct. This small route was then actually no more the problem. We were probably also in things of tape from the west like that something like the smaller evil - finally we did not have texts. The applause on the disk we had to rausschneiden both at the start and at the end, because one had fear of interruptions. Briefly after it then again wait it in the Eastern Bloc for route. This time in Poland. The difficulties there were then however completely different nature... The Poland route was for the complete crew the hardness. It was winter and the position in Poland was at that time genuinly scheisse. The halls were partially the bright ice soil, the disks in the glass roofs were broken. These whole sensitive devices failed naturally constantly. Partly there were power failures up to a half hour. And the people did not sit with this ass cold weather on the ice and Mucks said. Was continuously which inclined, and somehow has exactly that the whole crew welded together. If you asked afterwards one for the Poland route, everyone said - Poland, that was the hardness, but it was simply strong. The only constant size in the TD LINE UP is Edgar. Still do contacts exist to former members? We had now really each quantity of LINE UP changes. To Johannes Schmoelling exist still contacts, because he lives also in Berlin. It is one of the few, which remained in Berlin. All different had itself also the Hollywood wind around the nose blow to leave. Some disks of him we become on our label again-publish now, if the old contracts ran out then. But it is actually the only one, with which we have to still do. That father and son in the same tape play are unusual. Usually the musical interests are nevertheless different. Actually you would have had to play Punk. At that time with Melrose. the compositions however meanwhile became still gedrittelt it actually a fiftie/fiftie - thing. I had simply always acces to the entire equipment, could make actual as I wanted. That folded quite well, first with Melrose., and we continued to try it then stop. Edgar could not afford it also at all to let me go through if I did not have anything drauf. Which uses it that I am the son, but only scheisse builds. Theoretically it would be nevertheless conceivable that your father withdraws himself times sometime from the business and you resume Tangerine Dream. How does the thought please you? I cannot answer that. He already often said that he wants to stop. But now we have only once a new LINE UP, a route. A tape transfer by me is not for the moment at all too Debate. TRANCELATED AT http://www.altavista.com/sites/babelfish From: 'Antonio Nunes' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 10:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Video clips Adele Outland wrote: > >My computer (yes it's a pc) will not stream this video from its current >location. What am I doing wrong? Thanks. 8-) Dell Before someone says 'Buy a Mac', I would say that the problem may be the usual net congestion, as you're in USA and the TD server is in Germany. Instead of streaming the video, try to download it and save on your PC (press right mouse button on the 'Video-Clip' link and choose 'Download' or 'Save As'). Then double-click the saved file and it will play all right (hopefully). Yes, it's a huge file (32MB) and it will take some time to download, but you are a TD fan, aren't you? :-) Antonio np: Various artists (including a few from this list) - Beyond Me (see details at http://www.synthmusicdirect.com ) From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 10:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] JF interview Hilarious. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 05 October 2001 11:09 Subject: RE: [tadream] JF interview > Hi. > I've just found a small interview with Jerome at that url -> > http://members.aol.com/rmdark/MyArtVer.htm > Unfortunately, my german is more than bad so if anyone interested in > translating (unless it's already been done)! > > Thomas > > > hELLO Thomas > here is A FAST TRANCELATION > ( not corrected) > > Greetings > Bert > > > > TRANCELATED AT http://www.altavista.com/sites/babelfish > > > > Tangerine Dream - if the father with the son One finds key boards today > almost in each children's room. And without sequencers the entire Techno > scene would have remained probably saved for us. Who wants to know, who > debt at everything is, which may read this article. Renald Mienert conversed > with Jerome Froese, the son of Edgar Froese, which based before thirty > years Tangerine Dream, tape, which along-plays still quite in front today in > the league of the electronic skirt music. The junior showed himself in the > best way informed about events, which took place partially, when he was > still not at all born. Today Tangerine Dream is already legend. Before > thirty years your father had however opportunity to become acquainted with > one of the schillerndsten personalities of the art of the twentieth century > at all. What has to do a student 1967, in order by Salvador Dali to be > loaded? Edgar studied painting and sculpture at that time. One of its study > colleagues applied with Dali as a pupil and was actually assumed. Dali > organized such amusing Feten and this colleague Edgar loaded there to > under-paint these with music. At that time Edgar played however still with > its old tape - The Ones. From this then a rather close contact, one > developed can almost say, it became buddies. If I listen to the early > things, such titles such as time, illusion, alpha Centauri, that everything > was still very experimental and there were hardly real melodies. So for > instance 1973 gave it then however a considerable branch in the > development. I believe Phaedra. can as example apply here. How see to her > today these early albums? Were they a type necessary preliminary stage for > the typical TD sound? If I look at myself Grimoire in such a way, actually > exactly these early things would be correct for you. Thus Synthesizer in > the form did not give it at that time yet at all. Additionally the > technique was at that time sow expensive. Such people such as Keith > Emerson, which knead enough had, could perhaps take the liberty it to place > such Dinger on the stage. TD at that time tried beside the normal music > instruments to produce with all possible things, the so been any sound - up > to coffee machines. With Phaedra. that fell tape then a Moog into the > hands. Phaedra. was also the first disk in the music history, at which with > Sequenzing one operated. To her wait often quite crude criticisms exposed. > How do you deal with it? If one over an album, as Phaedra., which was > nevertheless gilded in many countries, says: Leute eat from more scheisse, > 100000 flies can do not err, then is not the even fine English type... > Start of the eighties the people gemeckert, because we did not sound any > longer as in the Siebzigern. In the Neunzigern them then the eighties were > no longer good enough. We develop ourselves stop further continuously. When > we stepped for the first time on Le Parc. with shorter pieces to the > public, one threw commercial to us scheiss forwards. Those partially > resemble people regard the album today as a milestone. Criticism should be > constructional. If one says, schmeiss your instruments from the window, > include you and do not come again raus - sowas does not interest us at all. > You made many sound TRACKS - for Near Dark, Sorcerer, Thief, Firestarter, > putting. Many Thriller, horror, in addition, relations crates. Which > prerequisites does a film have to fulfill that you write the music for it? > Klaus Schulze has the sound TRACK with Body Love to a Porno written..... If > you want to operate in Hollywood, you try naturally only once a leg into > the door to wars. First kriegst you the film script, reads it you, says to > OK ONE or also not. The film script states certainly over the film still > nothing. You can have the best film script, and the finished film is then > total scheisse. Then you see the finished film, and say there then again or > no. If one wants into this scene purely, one rejects naturally first > nothing. You think: Man if I that now not make, then are immediately raus.. > Thus you assume only times as much as possible, particularly, if it > concerns lucrative supplies. With The Sorcerer. came to Friedkin, which > found probably our music quite exotic, on us and said, exactly the same > something wants I in my film to have. We would have made almost still the > Exorzisten., but that did not fold then no more. We made then - films for > two Michael man, and that attracted the people. Up to then there was this > typical Filmmusiken as from Goldsmith or Maurice the Jarre, which > controlled the sound TRACK scene. With our electronics crates one was there > naturally the total Exot. Synthies began in the Achtzigern to become > affordable and certainly we were quite soon copied. How does sound TRACK > writing actually function? You kriegst then thus a Tape with nem time code, > a Script from which you infer can, you are particularly to emphasize which > scenes - after the fifth, sixth film one knows then naturally, on which it > arrives and can act also relatively independently. As it came to the idea, > a route by the GDR to make. First a concert, the disk, but quite soon a > route by some larger cities... These first two Gigs were actually an > absurdity. Which for a paper war in the apron took place there, today no > more humans can reconstruct. This small route was then actually no more the > problem. We were probably also in things of tape from the west like that > something like the smaller evil - finally we did not have texts. The > applause on the disk we had to rausschneiden both at the start and at the > end, because one had fear of interruptions. Briefly after it then again > wait it in the Eastern Bloc for route. This time in Poland. The > difficulties there were then however completely different nature... The > Poland route was for the complete crew the hardness. It was winter and the > position in Poland was at that time genuinly scheisse. The halls were > partially the bright ice soil, the disks in the glass roofs were broken. > These whole sensitive devices failed naturally constantly. Partly there > were power failures up to a half hour. And the people did not sit with this > ass cold weather on the ice and Mucks said. Was continuously which > inclined, and somehow has exactly that the whole crew welded together. If > you asked afterwards one for the Poland route, everyone said - Poland, that > was the hardness, but it was simply strong. The only constant size in the > TD LINE UP is Edgar. Still do contacts exist to former members? We had now > really each quantity of LINE UP changes. To Johannes Schmoelling exist > still contacts, because he lives also in Berlin. It is one of the few, > which remained in Berlin. All different had itself also the Hollywood wind > around the nose blow to leave. Some disks of him we become on our label > again-publish now, if the old contracts ran out then. But it is actually the > only one, with which we have to still do. That father and son in the same > tape play are unusual. Usually the musical interests are nevertheless > different. Actually you would have had to play Punk. At that time with > Melrose. the compositions however meanwhile became still gedrittelt it > actually a fiftie/fiftie - thing. I had simply always acces to the entire > equipment, could make actual as I wanted. That folded quite well, first with > Melrose., and we continued to try it then stop. Edgar could not afford it > also at all to let me go through if I did not have anything drauf. Which > uses it that I am the son, but only scheisse builds. Theoretically it would > be nevertheless conceivable that your father withdraws himself times > sometime from the business and you resume Tangerine Dream. How does the > thought please you? I cannot answer that. He already often said that he > wants to stop. But now we have only once a new LINE UP, a route. A tape > transfer by me is not for the moment at all too Debate. > > TRANCELATED AT http://www.altavista.com/sites/babelfish > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: rubyconist@y... Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 10:43 am Subject: Re: Favourite albums --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > I'd guess that finding stuff like Edgar's solo albums would be a bit harder > than finding regular albums, even here. > > John Vertical I don't know about that. My friend bought Edgar's Aqua from Tampere. And there were some Schulze's albums. Regards, TheInfection From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 11:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Translation of the Jerome interview I had a little bit of time on my hands and thought I'd translate this for you manually (without the exquisite services of the trance-lator). 'I' stands for the Interviewer, 'JF' for Jerome. The comments in <> brackets are my own and point out expressions difficult to translate verbatim. Today you can find keyboards in any child's bedroom. And without the sequencer we would probably have been spared the whole techno scene. Those who want to know who is to blame here should read this article. Renald Mienert talked to Jerome Froese, the son of Edgar Froese, who thirty years ago founded Tangerine Dream, a group that still plays at the top of the league in electronic rock music. The junior, therein, turned out to be well-informed about events that partly happened even before he was born. I: Today Tangerine Dream are themselves a legend. Thirty years ago, however, your father had the opportunity to meet one of the most extraordinary personalities in the art world of the 20th century. What did a student in 1967 have to do to be invited by Salvador Dali? JF: Edgar was studying painting and sculpture at the time. One of his fellow students had applied to study under Dali and had actually been accepted. Dali used to organise those strange parties over there, and this fellow student invited Edgar to accompany the happenings with his music. Then, however, Edgar was still playing in his old band - The Ones. A result of this was a fairly close contact, you could almost say they became mates. I: When I listen to the early stuff, tracks like Zeit, Wahn, Alpha Centauri, that was all quite experimental still, and there was hardly any real melody. Around 1973 there was quite a leap in development. I think Phaedra may be an example here. How do you evaluate these early albums today? Were they a kind of necessary stepping stone for the typical TD sound? JF: Looking at Grimoire , I suppose precisely those early recordings would be just the thing for you. Well, there were no synthesisers in those days as such. Also, the technology at the time was dead expensive. People like Keith Emerson, who had enough dough, could possibly afford to put things like that on stage. TD in those days, in addition to the conventional instruments, tried to produce some sort of sound with anything that was lying around - including coffee machines. For Phaedra, then, the band came by a Moog synthesiser. Phaedra was also the first disc in musical history in which sequencing was used. I: You have often been subjected to harsh criticism. How do you deal with this? If one says about an album like Phaedra, which after all went gold in many countries, 'People eat more shit, 100,000 flies can't be wrong', that doesn't seem to be the good English way. JF: At the beginning of the 80s, people were complaining because we no longer sounded like we did in the 70s. In the 90s, they then felt the 80s could not be good enough. We just continue to develop. When we came up with shorter pieces for the first time on Le Parc, they called it 'commercial shite'. Some of the same people today regard the album as a milestone. Criticism ought to be constructive. If someone says 'throw your instruments out of the window, lock yourself up and don't come out again', we're just not interested. I: You have made many soundtrack recordings - Near Dark, Sorcerer, Thief, Firestarter, Legend. Many thrillers, horror films, but also movies about romantic relationships. Which criteria does a film need to fulfil in order for you to write the music for it? Klaus Schulze, with Body Love, wrote a soundtrack for a porno movie. JF: If you want to work in Hollywood, you do of course try to get a foot in the door first of all. You get the script, read through it and then either say ok or not. The script, of course, doesn't say anything about the finished movie. You can have the best script in the world, and the finished film can be complete crap. Then you watch the completed movie and again say yes or no. If you want to establish yourself on that scene, of course you start off not declining anything. You think to yourself 'Man, if you don't do this, you're already out'. So you just begin by accepting as much as possible, especially if the offers are lucrative. For 'Sorcerer', Friedkin - who seemed to find our music quite exotic - approached us and said that that was exactly what he wanted in his movie. We nearly made it for 'The Exorcist', but that didn't work out in the end. We then scored two Michael Mann films, and that attracted people. Until then you had that typical film music like the scores by Goldsmith or Maurice Jarre dominating the soundtrack scene. With our electronic gear you were the exotic one. Synthesisers became affordable in the 80s, and people soon began to copy us. I: How does soundtrack writing work? JF: You just get a tape with a time code, a script from which you can glean which scenes to emphasise especially - after the fifth or sixth movie, you know, of course, what it's all about, and you can work quite independently. I: How did the idea come about to tour the GDR? First a concert, the record, but then soon a tour of some major cities. JF: Those first two gigs were actually a sorry affair. You wouldn't believe these days all the paperwork that happened in the run-up. The small tour after that wasn't really so much of a problem. Presumably, as far as Western bands went, we were also the lesser evil - after all, we didn't do lyrics. But we had to cut the audience applause both from the beginning and the end because they were afraid about people shouting things. I: A while after that, you were again touring the East. This time in Poland. The problems there were of a very different nature. JF: The Poland tour really took it out of the whole crew. It was winter and the situation in Poland then was utter shit. The venues sometimes had floors frozen solid, the glass roofs were broken. All those sensitive pieces of equipment were failing continually. Sometimes we had power cuts of up to half an hour. And the people sat on the ice in the f***ing cold and didn't say a thing . Something went wrong all the time, and somehow it was exactly that what brought the whole crew together. If you asked anyone about the Poland tour after that, everyone said 'Poland, that was so hard, but it was just great'. I: The only constant in the TD line-up is Edgar. Is there still any contact to former members? JF: Well, we really had our fair share of line-up changes. We still keep in touch with Johannes Schmölling because he still lives in Berlin as well. He's one of the few that stayed in Berlin. All the others seemed to need the Hollywood wind blowing around their face. Some of his records we're now going to re-release on our label, once the old contracts have expired. But he's really the only one we still have anything to do with. I: It is unusual to have father and son playing in the same group. Often, musical preferences differ, don't they? Really, you should have been playing punk. JF: Then, when we did Melrose, composition was split into thirds, but now it's become a fifty-fifty thing. Really, I always had access to all the instruments, and could basically do what I like. It worked quite well, on Melrose to begin with, and then we tried to keep that up. Edgar could never afford to let me join in if I couldn't cut the mustard either. What good would it be if I'm the son but cock up all the time? I: Theoretically, it would be conceivable that your father will some day withdraw from the business altogether and you will continue Tangerine Dream. How do you like that thought? JF: I can't answer that. He's already said a few times that he wants to retire. But now we have a new line-up, a new tour. Taking over the band is absolutely no concern at the moment. ============== Tangerine Dream - Wenn der Vater mit dem Sohne Keyboards findet man heute fast in jedem Kinderzimmer. Und ohne Sequenzer wäre uns die gesamte Techno-Szene vermutlich erspart geblieben. Wer wissen will, wer Schuld an allem ist, der möge diesen Artikel lesen. Renald Mienert unterhielt sich mit Jerome Froese, dem Sohn von Edgar Froese, der vor dreißig Jahren Tangerine Dream gründete, eine Band, die heute immer noch ganz vorn in der Liga der elektronischen Rock-Musik mitspielt. Dabei erwies sich der Junior bestens informiert über Ereignisse, die zum Teil stattfanden, als er noch gar nicht geboren war. Heute ist Tangerine Dream ja selbst schon Legende. Vor dreißig Jahren hatte dein Vater jedoch Gelegenheit, eine der schillerndsten Persönlichkeiten der Kunst des zwanzigsten Jahrhunderts überhaupt kennenzulernen. Was muß ein Student 1967 tun, um von Salvador Dali eingeladen zu werden? Edgar hat damals Malerei und Bildhauerei studiert. Einer seiner Studienkollegen hat sich bei Dali als Schüler beworben und ist tatsächlich angenommen worden. Dali hat dort solche komischen Feten organisiert und dieser Kollege hat Edgar eingeladen, diese mit Musik zu untermalen. Damals hat Edgar allerdings noch mit seiner alten Band gespielt - The Ones. Daraus entstand dann ein ziemlich enger Kontakt, man kann fast sagen, sie wurden Kumpel. Wenn ich die frühen Sachen anhöre, solche Titel wie Zeit, Wahn, Alpha Centauri, das war alles noch sehr experimentell und es gab kaum wirkliche Melodien. So etwa 1973 gab es dann aber einen ziemlichen Sprung in der Entwicklung. Ich glaube 'Phaedra' kann hier als Beispiel gelten. Wie seht ihr heute diese frühen Alben? Waren sie eine Art notwendige Vorstufe für den typischen TD-Sound? Wenn ich mir Grimoire so anschaue, wären eigentlich genau diese frühen Sachen richtig für euch. Also Synthesizer in der Form gab es ja damals noch gar nicht. Außerdem war die Technik damals sauteuer. Solche Leute wie Keith Emerson, die genug Knete hatten, konnten es sich vielleicht erlauben, solche Dinger auf die Bühne zu stellen. TD hat damals neben den normalen Musikinstrumenten versucht, mit allen möglichen Sachen, die so rumstanden irgendwelchen Klang zu erzeugen - bis hin zu Kaffeemaschinen. Bei 'Phaedra' fiel der Band dann ein Moog in die Hände. 'Phaedra' war auch die erste Scheibe in der Musikgeschichte, bei der mit Sequenzing gearbeitet wurde. Ihr wart oft recht derben Kritiken ausgesetzt. Wie geht ihr damit um? Wenn man über ein Album, wie 'Phaedra', das ja immerhin in vielen Ländern vergoldet wurde, sagt: 'Leute freßt mehr Scheiße, 100000 Fliegen können sich nicht irren', dann ist das nicht gerade die feine englische Art... Anfang der Achtziger haben die Leute gemeckert, weil wir nicht mehr klangen wie in den Siebzigern. In den Neunzigern waren ihnen dann die Achtziger nicht mehr gut genug. Wir entwickeln uns halt kontinuierlich weiter. Als wir auf 'Le Parc' erstmals mit kürzeren Stücken an die Öffentlichkeit traten, warf man uns kommerziellen Scheiß vor. Die zum Teil gleichen Leute halten das Album heute für einen Meilenstein. Kritik sollte konstruktiv sein. Wenn einer sagt, schmeiß deine Instrumente aus dem Fenster, schließ dich ein und komm nicht wieder raus - sowas interessiert uns gar nicht. Ihr habt viele Soundtracks gemacht - Near Dark, Sorcerer, Thief, Firestarter, Legend. Viele Thriller, Horror, aber auch Beziehungskisten. Welche Voraussetzungen muß ein Film erfüllen, daß ihr die Musik dafür schreibt? Klaus Schulze hat mit Body Love den Soundtrack zu einem Porno geschrieben..... Wenn du in Hollywood arbeiten willst, versuchst du natürlich erst einmal ein Bein in die Tür zu kriegen. Zunächst kriegst du das Drehbuch, liest es dir durch, sagst OK oder auch nicht. Das Drehbuch sagt freilich über den Film noch nichts aus. Du kannst das beste Drehbuch haben, und der fertige Film ist dann totale Scheiße. Dann siehst du den fertigen Film, und sagst da dann wieder ja oder nein. Wenn man in diese Szene rein will, lehnt man natürlich zunächst nichts ab. Du denkst: 'Man wenn ich das jetzt nicht mache, dann bin sofort raus.' Also nimmst du erst mal soviel wie möglich an, besonders, wenn es sich um lukrative Angebote handelt. Bei 'The Sorcerer' kam Friedkin, der unsere Musik wohl recht exotisch fand, auf uns zu und sagte, genau so etwas will ich in meinem Film haben. Wir hätten fast noch den 'Exorzisten' gemacht, aber das hat dann nicht mehr geklappt. Wir haben dann zwei Michael Mann - Filme gemacht, und das hat die Leute angezogen. Bis dahin gab es diese typischen Filmmusiken wie die von Goldsmith oder Maurice Jarre, die die Soundtrack-Szene beherrscht haben. Mit unseren Elektronikkisten war man da natürlich der totale Exot. Synthies fingen in den Achtzigern an, erschwinglich zu werden, und freilich wurden wir recht bald kopiert. Wie funktioniert eigentlich das Soundtrack-Schreiben? Du kriegst dann also ein Tape mit 'nem Timecode, ein Script aus dem du entnehmen kannst, welche Szenen du besonders hervorheben sollst - nach dem fünften, sechsten Film weiß man dann natürlich, worauf es ankommt und kann auch relativ selbständig agieren. Wie kam es zu der Idee, eine Tour durch die DDR zu machen. Zuerst ein Konzert, die Platte, aber recht bald eine Tour durch einige größere Städte... Diese ersten zwei Gigs waren ja eigentlich ein Unding. Was da für ein Papierkrieg im Vorfeld stattfand, kann heute kein Mensch mehr nachvollziehen. Diese kleine Tour war dann eigentlich nicht mehr das Problem. Wir waren vermutlich auch in Sachen Bands aus dem Westen so etwas wie das kleinere Übel - schließlich hatten wir keine Texte. Den Applaus auf der Platte mußten wir sowohl am Anfang als auch am Ende rausschneiden, weil man Angst vor Zwischenrufen hatte. Kurz danach wart ihr dann erneut im Ostblock auf Tour. Diesmal in Polen. Die Schwierigkeiten dort waren dann aber völlig anderer Natur... Die Polentour war für die komplette Crew die Härte. Es war Winter und die Lage in Polen war damals echt Scheiße. Die Hallen waren zum Teil der blanke Eisboden, die Scheiben in den Glasdächern waren kaputt. Diese ganzen empfindlichen Geräte sind natürlich laufend ausgefallen. Teilweise gab es Stromausfälle bis zu einer halben Stunde. Und die Leute saßen bei dieser Arschkälte auf dem Eis und haben keine Mucks gesagt. Es ging dauernd was schief, und irgendwie hat genau das die ganze Crew zusammengeschweißt. Wenn du hinterher einen nach der Polentour gefragt hast, hat jeder gesagt - Polen, das war die Härte, aber er war einfach stark. Die einzige konstante Größe im TD-Line Up ist Edgar. Bestehen noch Kontakte zu ehemaligen Mitgliedern? Wir hatten ja nun wirklich jede Menge Line-Up Wechsel. Zu Johannes Schmölling bestehen noch Kontakte, weil er ja auch in Berlin wohnt. Er ist einer der wenigen, die in Berlin geblieben sind. Alle anderen mußten sich ja auch den Hollywood-Wind um die Nase wehen lassen. Einige Platten von ihm werden wir jetzt auf unserem Label wiederveröffentlichen, wenn die alten Verträge dann ausgelaufen sind. Aber er ist eigentlich der einzige, mit dem wir noch zu tun haben. Daß Vater und Sohn in der gleichen Band spielen ist außergewöhnlich. Meist sind die musikalischen Interessen doch verschieden. Eigentlich hättest du Punk spielen müssen. Damals bei 'Melrose' wurden die Kompositionen noch gedrittelt aber mittlerweile ist es eigentlich eine fiftie/fiftie - Sache geworden. Ich hatte einfach immer Zugang zu dem gesamten Instrumentarium, konnte faktisch rummachen wie ich wollte. Das hat ganz gut geklappt, zunächst bei 'Melrose', und wir haben es dann halt weiter versucht. Edgar könnte es sich auch gar nicht leisten, mich mitmachen zu lassen, wenn ich nichts drauf hätte. Was nützt es, daß ich zwar der Sohn bin, aber nur Scheiße baue. Theoretisch wäre es doch denkbar, daß dein Vater sich mal irgendwann aus dem Geschäft zurückziehst und du Tangerine Dream weiterführst. Wie gefällt dir der Gedanke? Das kann ich nicht beantworten. Er hat ja schon oft gesagt, daß er aufhören will. Aber jetzt haben wir erst einmal ein neues Line Up, eine Tour. Eine Bandübernahme durch mich steht im Moment überhaupt nicht zur Debatte. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29399 Re: Translation of the Jerome interview simon heath Fri 10/5/2001 18 KB 29402 Re: Translation of the Jerome interview Joe Shoults Fri 10/5/2001 2 KB 29404 Re: Translation of the Jerome interview Marcel Engels Fri 10/5/2001 2 KB 29439 Re: Translation of the Jerome interview Jens Kilian Mon 10/8/2001 3 KB From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 12:36 pm Subject: translation Thanks Dennis for that translation. It's funny to read jerome saying 'we' about the days he was not in the band yet. May be that being at every show made him feel like the 4th member. I didn't take the time to see what exactly was that web site so I wonder when that interview took place. What's sure is that it's obviously not an EM page! Is (was) Jerome really into that dark metal kind of thing? Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 3:18 pm Subject: Tour It seems the Buffalo show has been rescheduled for late January, so they don't appear to be doing the Florida shows first, this go around...Lets see how it develops... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: gmroger@p... Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 5:24 pm Subject: Re: Favourite albums I suppose I really have to take part in this! So, for the sake of repeating myself in previous postings... Favourite albums (in no particular order except for the number one): 1. Tyger Just simply a brilliant album, regardless of who it's by. Forget that it's an album with vocals. Forget even that it's an album by Tangerine Dream. An album that really should have made it. 2. The Dream Mixes A considerable revamp of ordinary tracks turned into extraordinary pieces. Even my wife loves this one. 3. Stratosfear Only criticism of this one is that it's a bit of a short album. 4. Mars Polaris It's a shame that many of us think that TD life ends after Livemiles. But, admittedly, it did take them over ten years... 5. Underwater Sunlight I remember voting this second when I last voted, but the last two tracks aren't that brilliant. But Song of the Whale, Part 2 is brilliant... 6. Ricochet This was among the first TD albums I bought, and simply love part 2! 7. Poland Is it because I live there? 8. Oasis My third choice from the F/F era, so it hasn't been all bad! It's also perhaps that era's most accessible... 9. Le Parc It's commercial. Streethawk, Yellowstone Park... but it was the first modern TD not to chart. Why is it we don't like them when they try to put out something that is liked by people besides TD fans? 10. Force Majeure Still don't understand the last eight minutes of Thru Metamorphic Rocks. I'm sorry. The band thought 'Ooooh!' when the accident happened. Then eight minutes later, Chris asks... 'Shall I switch it off now?' But I love the rest. It may have been more progressive rock than electronic, but I was still enjoying Pink Floyd at the time too! But here's a list of some seriously underrated TD albums... 1. Turn of the Tides It's strange how this appeared between the dire Rockoon and Tyranny. It is, actually, the most melodic after Oasis. 2. Shy People Yep, it is 'Shine On', and the title song isn't that bad. And there's some trach styles that the band haven't really repeated since... 3. The Park is Mine Heavy TD and reminiscent of Thief. 4. Miracle Mile I don't really care too much for the Froese/Haslinger era, but this is the exception as it doesn't sound too much like the F/H era! 5. Dead Solid Perfect I know lots of you hate this, the pieces are short, but they're melodic, busy, and great (if you do it legally) as short soundtrack pieces for scenes when editing your holiday videos... 6. Deadly Care Way too short, but way underrated!!! 7. Cyclone Vocals we know about, but it's well produced and when you start to listen to 'Madrigal Meridian', it's a bit like setting off on a journey with an uncertain destination. (It turns out this album was recorded under deadline pressures...) 8. Zoning Coming out after 'Tyranny of Beauty' and largely composed edgar, he actually put together some very good melodies for this! Is it really Jerome who is responsible for some of the recent best tunes? And now those albums that don't particularly excite me... 1. Electronic Meditation The same reasons as most people on who voted for this. But, strangely, the music journalists love this... ('Q' magazine... 4 stars!!!) 2. Tyranny of Beauty Only Catwalk saves this. The rest is simply dire... (Believe me, I've tried to like it. I've TRIED! I've played it after not doing so for a while thinking I missed something... but WHAT?) 3. Rockoon Although 'Red City Dwarves' is kind of likeable. The fact that the other and this album were released very close together may explain why fans still haven't really warmed to the F/F combination... 4. Hollywood Years 1 Oh, and this one, too. 5. Hollywood Years 2 Ah, nearly forgot. And this one too. 6. Soundmill Navigator Not because it's tangentized, but I for one don't really care for the improvisational live pieces which just go on for too long. I really think that had I attended the seventies concerts I think I probably would have taken up pot... 7. Valentine Wheels I really don't know why, but I just don't have the urge to play this disc, no matter what mood I'm in... 8. Three O'Clock High Not actually much of TD, but what there is are way too short and sound as though they've been composed in one afternoon... And finally, the worst album by any of TD, band member or what... PACIFIC BLUE by Chris Franke Embarrassing. Quote sleeve notes: '...we looked for the last key ingredient to 'Pacific Blue', the music. The task was an enormous one. A contemporary, hard driving rock and roll song score was the only music that would underline the fast paced, high action bike chase sequences... Christopher Franke rose to the occasion in a manner we had not been involved with previously... His aggressive score and (I'm sorry, I really couldn't believe this part) EDGY LYRICS brought to life the chase sequence from the opening moment of the pilot...! Ah, Tyranny of Beauty. It's not as bad as I thought... Roger Hartopp 1. Tyger; 2. Underwater Sunlight; 3. Dream Mixes (1); 4. Mars Polaris; 5. Stratosfear; 6. Ricochet; 7.Poland; 8.Oasis; 9. Le Parc; 10. Force Majeure. -- Zagraj z finalistkami Miss Polonia [ http://miss.onet.pl/start.html ] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29396 Re: Favourite albums Marcel Engels Fri 10/5/2001 4 KB 29442 Re: Favourite albums rubyconist@y... Mon 10/8/2001 5 KB 29443 Re: Favourite albums Matthew Stringer Mon 10/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 5:37 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Favourite albums > From: gmroger@p... [mailto:gmroger@p...] > > 1. Tyger > Just simply a brilliant album, regardless of who it's by. Forget > that it's an album with vocals. Forget even that it's an > album by Tangerine Dream. An album that really should have made it. IMO together with LiveMiles the last great album. The albums after that weren't bad (imo) but never had that adventurous thing in it. > 3. Stratosfear > Only criticism of this one is that it's a bit of a short album. Strange thing is that a lot of shorter albums are quite good. Oxygene, lots of italian prog. > 4. Mars Polaris > It's a shame that many of us think that TD life ends after > Livemiles. But, admittedly, it did take them over ten years... I must admit I never heard one track from this CD. :-) And I hear everyone likes it so I may try it. > 5. Underwater Sunlight > I remember voting this second when I last voted, but the last two > tracks aren't that brilliant. But Song of the Whale, > Part 2 is brilliant... Excellent album! > 6. Ricochet > This was among the first TD albums I bought, and simply love part 2! The superb sequencer-fest. Why is it that nobody mentions part 1...after the middle part I personally think it is as good as part 2. > 7. Cyclone > Vocals we know about, but it's well produced and when you start > to listen to 'Madrigal Meridian', it's a bit like setting > off on a journey with an uncertain destination. (It turns out > this album was recorded under deadline pressures...) Why most people don't like this album or the vocals is beyond me. Wonderful album. > 1. Electronic Meditation > The same reasons as most people on who voted for this. But, > strangely, the music journalists love this... ('Q' > magazine... 4 stars!!!) That is strange yes...I see it mentioned in quite a few rock and progrock sites. While I also think it's not that bad, it's not that good either. :-) > 2. Tyranny of Beauty > Only Catwalk saves this. The rest is simply dire... (Believe me, > I've tried to like it. I've TRIED! I've played it after not > doing so for a while thinking I missed something... but WHAT?) Bought this album because of the track Quasar...which imo was the best track on the album. Plus the whole track was made with the synthesizer Quasar. > 6. Soundmill Navigator > Not because it's tangentized, but I for one don't really care for > the improvisational live pieces which just go on for too > long. I really think that had I attended the seventies concerts I > think I probably would have taken up pot... Personally I choose the original above this. In fact I listened to this album twice I think and to the boot quite a few times more even if the quality is a bit lacking. I wonder if there is ever going to be another classic release after this release. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29442 Re: Favourite albums rubyconist@y... Mon 10/8/2001 5 KB 29443 Re: Favourite albums Matthew Stringer Mon 10/8/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 6:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Vanishing Blue >Vanishing Blue? Where's that from? > One of the 4 bonus tracks from Dream Roots Collection. All were composed by just Froese and Franke, between Le Parc & Underwater Sunlight. - This is the first piece to feature that trademark flutey sound of Underwater Sunlight and many other places, its last appearence I know of is in Electric Lion. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 6:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite albums >I don't know about that. My friend bought Edgar's Aqua from Tampere. >And there were some Schulze's albums. > >Regards, >TheInfection Wow. Guess I just don't know the right places to go look at. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'simon heath' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 6:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Translation of the Jerome interview Jerome said >. For Phaedra, then, the band came by a Moog synthesiser. Phaedra was also the first disc in musical history in which sequencing was used. Terry Rileys' 'a Rainbow in Curved Air' sounds like sequenced music, from 1971 I think.Anyone here know if it was? >that doesn't seem to be the good English way. Do Germans still have this quaint opinion of the English? www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Nigbur To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 05 October 2001 12:33 Subject: Re: [tadream] Translation of the Jerome interview I had a little bit of time on my hands and thought I'd translate this for you manually (without the exquisite services of the trance-lator). 'I' stands for the Interviewer, 'JF' for Jerome. The comments in <> brackets are my own and point out expressions difficult to translate verbatim. Today you can find keyboards in any child's bedroom. And without the sequencer we would probably have been spared the whole techno scene. Those who want to know who is to blame here should read this article. Renald Mienert talked to Jerome Froese, the son of Edgar Froese, who thirty years ago founded Tangerine Dream, a group that still plays at the top of the league in electronic rock music. The junior, therein, turned out to be well-informed about events that partly happened even before he was born. I: Today Tangerine Dream are themselves a legend. Thirty years ago, however, your father had the opportunity to meet one of the most extraordinary personalities in the art world of the 20th century. What did a student in 1967 have to do to be invited by Salvador Dali? JF: Edgar was studying painting and sculpture at the time. One of his fellow students had applied to study under Dali and had actually been accepted. Dali used to organise those strange parties over there, and this fellow student invited Edgar to accompany the happenings with his music. Then, however, Edgar was still playing in his old band - The Ones. A result of this was a fairly close contact, you could almost say they became mates. I: When I listen to the early stuff, tracks like Zeit, Wahn, Alpha Centauri, that was all quite experimental still, and there was hardly any real melody. Around 1973 there was quite a leap in development. I think Phaedra may be an example here. How do you evaluate these early albums today? Were they a kind of necessary stepping stone for the typical TD sound? JF: Looking at Grimoire , I suppose precisely those early recordings would be just the thing for you. Well, there were no synthesisers in those days as such. Also, the technology at the time was dead expensive. People like Keith Emerson, who had enough dough, could possibly afford to put things like that on stage. TD in those days, in addition to the conventional instruments, tried to produce some sort of sound with anything that was lying around - including coffee machines I: You have often been subjected to harsh criticism. How do you deal with this? If one says about an album like Phaedra, which after all went gold in many countries, 'People eat more shit, 100,000 flies can't be wrong', JF: At the beginning of the 80s, people were complaining because we no longer sounded like we did in the 70s. In the 90s, they then felt the 80s could not be good enough. We just continue to develop. When we came up with shorter pieces for the first time on Le Parc, they called it 'commercial shite'. Some of the same people today regard the album as a milestone. Criticism ought to be constructive. If someone says 'throw your instruments out of the window, lock yourself up and don't come out again', we're just not interested. I: You have made many soundtrack recordings - Near Dark, Sorcerer, Thief, Firestarter, Legend. Many thrillers, horror films, but also movies about romantic relationships. Which criteria does a film need to fulfil in order for you to write the music for it? Klaus Schulze, with Body Love, wrote a soundtrack for a porno movie. JF: If you want to work in Hollywood, you do of course try to get a foot in the door first of all. You get the script, read through it and then either say ok or not. The script, of course, doesn't say anything about the finished movie. You can have the best script in the world, and the finished film can be complete crap. Then you watch the completed movie and again say yes or no. If you want to establish yourself on that scene, of course you start off not declining anything. You think to yourself 'Man, if you don't do this, you're already out'. So you just begin by accepting as much as possible, especially if the offers are lucrative. For 'Sorcerer', Friedkin - who seemed to find our music quite exotic - approached us and said that that was exactly what he wanted in his movie. We nearly made it for 'The Exorcist', but that didn't work out in the end. We then scored two Michael Mann films, and that attracted people. Until then you had that typical film music like the scores by Goldsmith or Maurice Jarre dominating the soundtrack scene. With our electronic gear you were the exotic one. Synthesisers became affordable in the 80s, and people soon began to copy us. I: How does soundtrack writing work? JF: You just get a tape with a time code, a script from which you can glean which scenes to emphasise especially - after the fifth or sixth movie, you know, of course, what it's all about, and you can work quite independently. I: How did the idea come about to tour the GDR? First a concert, the record, but then soon a tour of some major cities. JF: Those first two gigs were actually a sorry affair. You wouldn't believe these days all the paperwork that happened in the run-up. The small tour after that wasn't really so much of a problem. Presumably, as far as Western bands went, we were also the lesser evil - after all, we didn't do lyrics. But we had to cut the audience applause both from the beginning and the end because they were afraid about people shouting things. I: A while after that, you were again touring the East. This time in Poland. The problems there were of a very different nature. JF: The Poland tour really took it out of the whole crew. It was winter and the situation in Poland then was utter shit. The venues sometimes had floors frozen solid, the glass roofs were broken. All those sensitive pieces of equipment were failing continually. Sometimes we had power cuts of up to half an hour. And the people sat on the ice in the f***ing cold and didn't say a thing . Something went wrong all the time, and somehow it was exactly that what brought the whole crew together. If you asked anyone about the Poland tour after that, everyone said 'Poland, that was so hard, but it was just great'. I: The only constant in the TD line-up is Edgar. Is there still any contact to former members? JF: Well, we really had our fair share of line-up changes. We still keep in touch with Johannes Schmölling because he still lives in Berlin as well. He's one of the few that stayed in Berlin. All the others seemed to need the Hollywood wind blowing around their face. Some of his records we're now going to re-release on our label, once the old contracts have expired. But he's really the only one we still have anything to do with. I: It is unusual to have father and son playing in the same group. Often, musical preferences differ, don't they? Really, you should have been playing punk. JF: Then, when we did Melrose, composition was split into thirds, but now it's become a fifty-fifty thing. Really, I always had access to all the instruments, and could basically do what I like. It worked quite well, on Melrose to begin with, and then we tried to keep that up. Edgar could never afford to let me join in if I couldn't cut the mustard either. What good would it be if I'm the son but cock up all the time? I: Theoretically, it would be conceivable that your father will some day withdraw from the business altogether and you will continue Tangerine Dream. How do you like that thought? JF: I can't answer that. He's already said a few times that he wants to retire. But now we have a new line-up, a new tour. Taking over the band is absolutely no concern at the moment. ============== Tangerine Dream - Wenn der Vater mit dem Sohne Keyboards findet man heute fast in jedem Kinderzimmer. Und ohne Sequenzer wäre uns die gesamte Techno-Szene vermutlich erspart geblieben. Wer wissen will, wer Schuld an allem ist, der möge diesen Artikel lesen. Renald Mienert unterhielt sich mit Jerome Froese, dem Sohn von Edgar Froese, der vor dreißig Jahren Tangerine Dream gründete, eine Band, die heute immer noch ganz vorn in der Liga der elektronischen Rock-Musik mitspielt. Dabei erwies sich der Junior bestens informiert über Ereignisse, die zum Teil stattfanden, als er noch gar nicht geboren war. Heute ist Tangerine Dream ja selbst schon Legende. Vor dreißig Jahren hatte dein Vater jedoch Gelegenheit, eine der schillerndsten Persönlichkeiten der Kunst des zwanzigsten Jahrhunderts überhaupt kennenzulernen. Was muß ein Student 1967 tun, um von Salvador Dali eingeladen zu werden? Edgar hat damals Malerei und Bildhauerei studiert. Einer seiner Studienkollegen hat sich bei Dali als Schüler beworben und ist tatsächlich angenommen worden. Dali hat dort solche komischen Feten organisiert und dieser Kollege hat Edgar eingeladen, diese mit Musik zu untermalen. Damals hat Edgar allerdings noch mit seiner alten Band gespielt - The Ones. Daraus entstand dann ein ziemlich enger Kontakt, man kann fast sagen, sie wurden Kumpel. Wenn ich die frühen Sachen anhöre, solche Titel wie Zeit, Wahn, Alpha Centauri, das war alles noch sehr experimentell und es gab kaum wirkliche Melodien. So etwa 1973 gab es dann aber einen ziemlichen Sprung in der Entwicklung. Ich glaube 'Phaedra' kann hier als Beispiel gelten. Wie seht ihr heute diese frühen Alben? Waren sie eine Art notwendige Vorstufe für den typischen TD-Sound? Wenn ich mir Grimoire so anschaue, wären eigentlich genau diese frühen Sachen richtig für euch. Also Synthesizer in der Form gab es ja damals noch gar nicht. Außerdem war die Technik damals sauteuer. Solche Leute wie Keith Emerson, die genug Knete hatten, konnten es sich vielleicht erlauben, solche Dinger auf die Bühne zu stellen. TD hat damals neben den normalen Musikinstrumenten versucht, mit allen möglichen Sachen, die so rumstanden irgendwelchen Klang zu erzeugen - bis hin zu Kaffeemaschinen. Bei 'Phaedra' fiel der Band dann ein Moog in die Hände. 'Phaedra' war auch die erste Scheibe in der Musikgeschichte, bei der mit Sequenzing gearbeitet wurde. Ihr wart oft recht derben Kritiken ausgesetzt. Wie geht ihr damit um? Wenn man über ein Album, wie 'Phaedra', das ja immerhin in vielen Ländern vergoldet wurde, sagt: 'Leute freßt mehr Scheiße, 100000 Fliegen können sich nicht irren', dann ist das nicht gerade die feine englische Art... Anfang der Achtziger haben die Leute gemeckert, weil wir nicht mehr klangen wie in den Siebzigern. In den Neunzigern waren ihnen dann die Achtziger nicht mehr gut genug. Wir entwickeln uns halt kontinuierlich weiter. Als wir auf 'Le Parc' erstmals mit kürzeren Stücken an die Öffentlichkeit traten, warf man uns kommerziellen Scheiß vor. Die zum Teil gleichen Leute halten das Album heute für einen Meilenstein. Kritik sollte konstruktiv sein. Wenn einer sagt, schmeiß deine Instrumente aus dem Fenster, schließ dich ein und komm nicht wieder raus - sowas interessiert uns gar nicht. Ihr habt viele Soundtracks gemacht - Near Dark, Sorcerer, Thief, Firestarter, Legend. Viele Thriller, Horror, aber auch Beziehungskisten. Welche Voraussetzungen muß ein Film erfüllen, daß ihr die Musik dafür schreibt? Klaus Schulze hat mit Body Love den Soundtrack zu einem Porno geschrieben..... Wenn du in Hollywood arbeiten willst, versuchst du natürlich erst einmal ein Bein in die Tür zu kriegen. Zunächst kriegst du das Drehbuch, liest es dir durch, sagst OK oder auch nicht. Das Drehbuch sagt freilich über den Film noch nichts aus. Du kannst das beste Drehbuch haben, und der fertige Film ist dann totale Scheiße. Dann siehst du den fertigen Film, und sagst da dann wieder ja oder nein. Wenn man in diese Szene rein will, lehnt man natürlich zunächst nichts ab. Du denkst: 'Man wenn ich das jetzt nicht mache, dann bin sofort raus.' Also nimmst du erst mal soviel wie möglich an, besonders, wenn es sich um lukrative Angebote handelt. Bei 'The Sorcerer' kam Friedkin, der unsere Musik wohl recht exotisch fand, auf uns zu und sagte, genau so etwas will ich in meinem Film haben. Wir hätten fast noch den 'Exorzisten' gemacht, aber das hat dann nicht mehr geklappt. Wir haben dann zwei Michael Mann - Filme gemacht, und das hat die Leute angezogen. Bis dahin gab es diese typischen Filmmusiken wie die von Goldsmith oder Maurice Jarre, die die Soundtrack-Szene beherrscht haben. Mit unseren Elektronikkisten war man da natürlich der totale Exot. Synthies fingen in den Achtzigern an, erschwinglich zu werden, und freilich wurden wir recht bald kopiert. Wie funktioniert eigentlich das Soundtrack-Schreiben? Du kriegst dann also ein Tape mit 'nem Timecode, ein Script aus dem du entnehmen kannst, welche Szenen du besonders hervorheben sollst - nach dem fünften, sechsten Film weiß man dann natürlich, worauf es ankommt und kann auch relativ selbständig agieren. Wie kam es zu der Idee, eine Tour durch die DDR zu machen. Zuerst ein Konzert, die Platte, aber recht bald eine Tour durch einige größere Städte... Diese ersten zwei Gigs waren ja eigentlich ein Unding. Was da für ein Papierkrieg im Vorfeld stattfand, kann heute kein Mensch mehr nachvollziehen. Diese kleine Tour war dann eigentlich nicht mehr das Problem. Wir waren vermutlich auch in Sachen Bands aus dem Westen so etwas wie das kleinere Übel - schließlich hatten wir keine Texte. Den Applaus auf der Platte mußten wir sowohl am Anfang als auch am Ende rausschneiden, weil man Angst vor Zwischenrufen hatte. Kurz danach wart ihr dann erneut im Ostblock auf Tour. Diesmal in Polen. Die Schwierigkeiten dort waren dann aber völlig anderer Natur... Die Polentour war für die komplette Crew die Härte. Es war Winter und die Lage in Polen war damals echt Scheiße. Die Hallen waren zum Teil der blanke Eisboden, die Scheiben in den Glasdächern waren kaputt. Diese ganzen empfindlichen Geräte sind natürlich laufend ausgefallen. Teilweise gab es Stromausfälle bis zu einer halben Stunde. Und die Leute saßen bei dieser Arschkälte auf dem Eis und haben keine Mucks gesagt. Es ging dauernd was schief, und irgendwie hat genau das die ganze Crew zusammengeschweißt. Wenn du hinterher einen nach der Polentour gefragt hast, hat jeder gesagt - Polen, das war die Härte, aber er war einfach stark. Die einzige konstante Größe im TD-Line Up ist Edgar. Bestehen noch Kontakte zu ehemaligen Mitgliedern? Wir hatten ja nun wirklich jede Menge Line-Up Wechsel. Zu Johannes Schmölling bestehen noch Kontakte, weil er ja auch in Berlin wohnt. Er ist einer der wenigen, die in Berlin geblieben sind. Alle anderen mußten sich ja auch den Hollywood-Wind um die Nase wehen lassen. Einige Platten von ihm werden wir jetzt auf unserem Label wiederveröffentlichen, wenn die alten Verträge dann ausgelaufen sind. Aber er ist eigentlich der einzige, mit dem wir noch zu tun haben. Daß Vater und Sohn in der gleichen Band spielen ist außergewöhnlich. Meist sind die musikalischen Interessen doch verschieden. Eigentlich hättest du Punk spielen müssen. Damals bei 'Melrose' wurden die Kompositionen noch gedrittelt aber mittlerweile ist es eigentlich eine fiftie/fiftie - Sache geworden. Ich hatte einfach immer Zugang zu dem gesamten Instrumentarium, konnte faktisch rummachen wie ich wollte. Das hat ganz gut geklappt, zunächst bei 'Melrose', und wir haben es dann halt weiter versucht. Edgar könnte es sich auch gar nicht leisten, mich mitmachen zu lassen, wenn ich nichts drauf hätte. Was nützt es, daß ich zwar der Sohn bin, aber nur Scheiße baue. Theoretisch wäre es doch denkbar, daß dein Vater sich mal irgendwann aus dem Geschäft zurückziehst und du Tangerine Dream weiterführst. Wie gefällt dir der Gedanke? Das kann ich nicht beantworten. Er hat ja schon oft gesagt, daß er aufhören will. Aber jetzt haben wir erst einmal ein neues Line Up, eine Tour. Eine Bandübernahme durch mich steht im Moment überhaupt nicht zur Debatte. ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 6:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Favourite albums > > 1. Tyger > > Just simply a brilliant album, regardless of who it's by. Forget > > that it's an album with vocals. Forget even that it's an > > album by Tangerine Dream. An album that really should have made it. > >IMO together with LiveMiles the last great album. >The albums after that weren't bad (imo) but never had that >adventurous thing in it. > I'm not sure about this one - I've got most of it on my Dream Roots Collection, but I still dislike those clips only because of the vocals. I generally hate vocals. It's some counterreaction to their commonness(is that a valid word?), and I also think that they're a hindrance when it comes to interpreting the music. They force you to take one certain attitude towards the track, I'll rather have more freedom. For the same reason, I don't watch movies. I read books instead. > > 3. Stratosfear > > Only criticism of this one is that it's a bit of a short album. > >Strange thing is that a lot of shorter albums are quite good. >Oxygene, lots of italian prog. Well, you get the music sort of distilled - all the better qualities. > > > 4. Mars Polaris > > It's a shame that many of us think that TD life ends after > > Livemiles. But, admittedly, it did take them over ten years... > >I must admit I never heard one track from this CD. :-) >And I hear everyone likes it so I may try it. I don't happen to like this one. It's a bit too commercial, and in the meanwhile they're trying to imitate the old TD sound, but they just can't accomplish the same depth. > > > 5. Underwater Sunlight > > I remember voting this second when I last voted, but the last two > > tracks aren't that brilliant. But Song of the Whale, > > Part 2 is brilliant... The semi-title track is not that bad, if you'd ask me. It has got a more relaxed feeling than Scuba Scuba, and it does top both Song Of The Whale Part 1 and Ride On The Ray as well for the same reasons. > > 6. Ricochet > > This was among the first TD albums I bought, and simply love part 2! > >The superb sequencer-fest. Indeed. >Why is it that nobody mentions part 1...after the middle part I personally >think it is as good as part 2. > >>7. Poland >>Is it because I live there? No... it's beause of the variety. The sequencer overlaying work in the first half and the reminescent sounds of the days of Rubycon in the second half of the title track... The raging, surreal, and energetic three passages of Tangent... (don't wish to mention Rarebird!) The smoothness of the first section and the joy of life in the 2nd in Barbakane... And finally, the last dark hypnotic depths in Horizon, especially in the first half... > >10. Force Majeure > > Still don't understand the last eight minutes of Thru Metamorphic Rocks. >I'm > > sorry. The band thought 'Ooooh!' when > > the accident happened. Then eight minutes later, Chris asks... 'Shall I >switch > > it off now?' But I love the rest. It may > > have been more progressive rock than electronic, but I was still >enjoying Pink > > Floyd at the time too! So you think that the one unwanted extra sequence makes the rest of the track bad? > > 6. Soundmill Navigator > > Not because it's tangentized, but I for one don't really care for > > the improvisational live pieces which just go on for too > > long. I really think that had I attended the seventies concerts I > > think I probably would have taken up pot... > >Personally I choose the original above this. >In fact I listened to this album twice I think and to the boot >quite a few times more even if the quality is a bit lacking. >I wonder if there is ever going to be another classic release >after this release. I really like this one. It's simultaneously both hypnotic and relaxing, combining the both aspects I love about the 70s TD. It might not be as intense as Cherokee Lane of as smooth as Zeit, (the track) but it's still a brilliant symphony. The slow fadeins and -outs of the rhytm are thrilling, and the melody is simple enough to not steal the main role from the mood, but still complex enough to not get boring and/or self-repeating. The tightly woven structure is just unbelieveable, keeping mind it was 100%-improvised. I don't even hate the zih-zah statistic in the backgroung. It somewhat futher helps tying the whole thing together. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 6:35 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Favourite albums > > 1. Tyger > > Just simply a brilliant album, regardless of who it's by. Forget > > that it's an album with vocals. Forget even that it's an > > album by Tangerine Dream. An album that really should have made it. > >IMO together with LiveMiles the last great album. >The albums after that weren't bad (imo) but never had that >adventurous thing in it. > I'm not sure about this one - I've got most of it on my Dream Roots Collection, but I still dislike those clips only because of the vocals. I generally hate vocals. It's some counterreaction to their commonness(is that a valid word?), and I also think that they're a hindrance when it comes to interpreting the music. They force you to take one certain attitude towards the track, I'll rather have more freedom. For the same reason, I don't watch movies. I read books instead. > > 3. Stratosfear > > Only criticism of this one is that it's a bit of a short album. > >Strange thing is that a lot of shorter albums are quite good. >Oxygene, lots of italian prog. Well, you get the music sort of distilled - all the better qualities. > > > 4. Mars Polaris > > It's a shame that many of us think that TD life ends after > > Livemiles. But, admittedly, it did take them over ten years... > >I must admit I never heard one track from this CD. :-) >And I hear everyone likes it so I may try it. I don't happen to like this one. It's a bit too commercial, and in the meanwhile they're trying to imitate the old TD sound, but they just can't accomplish the same depth. > > > 5. Underwater Sunlight > > I remember voting this second when I last voted, but the last two > > tracks aren't that brilliant. But Song of the Whale, > > Part 2 is brilliant... The semi-title track is not that bad, if you'd ask me. It has got a more relaxed feeling than Scuba Scuba, and it does top both Song Of The Whale Part 1 and Ride On The Ray as well for the same reasons. > > 6. Ricochet > > This was among the first TD albums I bought, and simply love part 2! > >The superb sequencer-fest. Indeed. >Why is it that nobody mentions part 1...after the middle part I personally >think it is as good as part 2. > It's not bad, but not too great either. It's just standard good level. >>7. Poland >>Is it because I live there? No... it's because of the variety. The sequencer overlaying work in the first half and the reminescent sounds of the days of Rubycon in the second half of the title track... The raging, surreal, and energetic three passages of Tangent... (don't wish to mention Rarebird!) The smoothness of the first section and the joy of life in the 2nd in Barbakane... And finally, the last dark hypnotic depths in Horizon, especially in the first half... > >10. Force Majeure > > Still don't understand the last eight minutes of Thru Metamorphic Rocks. >I'm > > sorry. The band thought 'Ooooh!' when > > the accident happened. Then eight minutes later, Chris asks... 'Shall I >switch > > it off now?' But I love the rest. It may > > have been more progressive rock than electronic, but I was still >enjoying Pink > > Floyd at the time too! So you think that the one unwanted extra sequence makes the rest of the track bad? > > 6. Soundmill Navigator > > Not because it's tangentized, but I for one don't really care for > > the improvisational live pieces which just go on for too > > long. I really think that had I attended the seventies concerts I > > think I probably would have taken up pot... > >Personally I choose the original above this. >In fact I listened to this album twice I think and to the boot >quite a few times more even if the quality is a bit lacking. >I wonder if there is ever going to be another classic release >after this release. I really like this one. It's simultaneously both hypnotic and relaxing, combining the both aspects I love about the 70s TD. It might not be as intense as Cherokee Lane of as smooth as Zeit, (the track) but it's still a brilliant symphony. The slow fadeins and -outs of the rhytm are thrilling, and the melody is simple enough to not steal the main role from the mood, but still complex enough to not get boring and/or self-repeating. The tightly woven structure is just unbelieveable, keeping mind it was 100%-improvised. I don't even hate the zih-zah statistic in the backgroung. It somewhat futher helps tying the whole thing together. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 7:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Translation of the Jerome interview what about pink floyd's VCS3 on DSOM? (e.g. On the Run) or am I misunderstanding what he means ? > -----Original Message----- Jerome said > >. For Phaedra, then, the band came by a Moog synthesiser. > Phaedra was also > the first disc in musical history in which sequencing was used. > Terry Rileys' 'a Rainbow in Curved Air' sounds like sequenced > music, from > 1971 I think.Anyone here know if it was? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29404 Re: Translation of the Jerome interview Marcel Engels Fri 10/5/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 6:54 pm Subject: TD new buffalo tralf date courtesy ticketmaster: TANGERINE DREAM Tue, 1/29/02 8:00PM Tralf Buffalo, NY On Sale Now _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 7:04 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Translation of the Jerome interview > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > > what about pink floyd's VCS3 on DSOM? (e.g. On the Run) > > or am I misunderstanding what he means ? Somehow I hear the first steps of a sequencer on Atem. I think it's the 2nd or 3th track, at the end you hear (an attempt?) a sequencer. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 8:43 pm Subject: TD TLA philly date again courtesy tickemaster.com TANGERINE DREAM Sat, 1/26/02 9:00PM Theatre of Living Arts Philadelphia, PA On Sale Now _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29406 Re: TD TLA philly date Michael Jean Fri 10/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 8:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD TLA philly date I presume since these shows were General Admission that we do not need the tickets to be reissued... Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu >>> teiwazbarana@h... 10/05/01 04:43PM >>> again courtesy tickemaster.com TANGERINE DREAM Sat, 1/26/02 9:00PM Theatre of Living Arts Philadelphia, PA On Sale Now _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Sat Oct 6, 2001 3:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Least Favourite TD stuff Matthew Stringer [03/10/2001 16:44] dijo/said: >Shy People has some great tracks on it. > >1st track side one (Crazy Diamond anyone?) and 2nd track side 2 is great. > >Don't like Tangram?!?!?!? Tsk Tsk!! I thought people uttering this sacrilege were to be banned immediately from this list? -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?' - MONTY PYTHON and THE HOLY GRAIL M0nti Pyth0n ik den H0lie Gralen From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Oct 6, 2001 8:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite albums ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 05 October 2001 18:24 Subject: [tadream] Re: Favourite albums > 1. Turn of the Tides > It's strange how this appeared between the dire Rockoon and Tyranny. It is, actually, the most melodic after Oasis. I agree with you there, although I've often wondered if it may be precisely the timing of its release that makes it stand out in my opinion as something that redeems the Seattle years. I couldn't stand Rockoon, 220 Volt has its moments, I found Tyranny of Beauty dreadful and tedious, and the whole period (up to but not including Goblins' Club) just seems rather bland and showy. But TotT seems quite different. I think they might have finished the album after 'Jungle Journey' because the last two tracks seem like a bit of a let-down to me. But the rest has got enough sonic breadth and lyrical depth to keep me happy. No matter what people might say about 'Death of a Nightingale', I like the way the odd, un-rhythmic textures of the beginning resolve into such a flowing melody - I think it's one of the best uses of the saxophone in the band's history, and the development of the piece even reminds me a bit of 'Barbakane' from Poland. 'Firetongues' is lovely too, especially the acoustic guitar in the middle part; 'Galley Slave's Horizon' has a nice bit towards the end of the piece where some nostalgic, sweeping synth sounds get the whole thing going again and almost seem to give some meaning to the whole track; and 'Mobocaster' on Dream Mixes II seems to prove my point that the original version of 'Twilight Brigade' has too much depth to be tampered with in that way. I am listening to my whole TD collection chronologically at the moment (made it up to 'Goblin's Club'), and I think TotT is a classic. Dennis From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Oct 6, 2001 8:15 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Sequencers > > what about pink floyd's VCS3 on DSOM? (e.g. On the Run) > > > > or am I misunderstanding what he means ? > >Somehow I hear the first steps of a sequencer >on Atem. I think it's the 2nd or 3th track, at the >end you hear (an attempt?) a sequencer. > >Marcel >http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels >mengels@w... > Why not Origin Of Supernatural Probabilities? It'd say it would be sequences, but then again, I don't know anything about composing music of playing synths. But if it isn't a sequencer, what is it then? I also checked Atem: the title track is rhytmless, Fauni-Gena and Wahn have but drums, but Circulation of Events could be it... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29412 Re: Sequencers Dave Brewer Sat 10/6/2001 2 KB 29413 Re: Sequencers ampmusic Sat 10/6/2001 6 KB 29420 Re: Sequencers Marcel Engels Sat 10/6/2001 2 KB 29415 Re: Sequencers John Vertical Sat 10/6/2001 4 KB 29436 Sequencers Liondream@a... Sun 10/7/2001 2 KB 29437 Re: Sequencers Dave Brewer Sun 10/7/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat Oct 6, 2001 10:15 am Subject: Auction highlights Hi, here comes 10 highlights of my auction: Christopher Franke - Bridge to eternity , shaped disc , 1996 Edgar Froese - Aqua , Virgin CD Johannes Schmoelling - The Zoo of Tranquility , Theta Release 1988 , CD Johannes Schmoelling - White out , Polydor , 1990 , mispressing cover , CD Klaus Schulze - Le Moulin de Daudet , France Releases only , CD , 1994 , still sealed Tangerine Dream - Betrayal/Grind , 7' , MCA 6030513 GT , ESP , 1977 Tangerine Dream - Das Mädchen auf der Treppe , Virgin 8941872 , CD-S , 1997 , Promo with Tourdates Tangerine Dream - Dream Mixes III , TDI Promo CD with Promocard The M.I. Rainbow Collection , 7CD Box , Musique Intemporelle , out of print , still sealed Visions of Sound , Edel Sampler , 1994 , CD , with Tangerine Dream all this and many more , you can found in my auction: www.opticaldream.de/dream/Auction2.htm Regards and thank you for your bids heiko germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Rimas Lazutka' Date: Sat Oct 6, 2001 1:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Unsubscribe The same goes with me... i don't know how to unsubscribe i've sent lots of blank messages to the address, which is given below, However, i'm still in the list. On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 01:11:14 Phil Wingfield wrote: >Is there a moderator on this list who could unsubscribe me? > >Yes, I know, just go to the website and unsubscribe, but I can't. I joined >this group when it was an E group, I can't remember any of the details I >used including the password. I have tried but I get nowhere. > >It's nothing personal, I'm just not into TD the way you guys are and I am >tired of just deleting stuff every day. > >Anyone help? > >Phil. > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Sat Oct 6, 2001 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sequencers John said: > >Why not Origin Of Supernatural Probabilities? It'd say it would be >sequences, but then again, I don't know anything about composing music of >playing synths. But if it isn't a sequencer, what is it then? > I agree. That repetative gurgling-like sound has got to be a sequencer. If I'm remembering correctly, when the sequence for Phaedra first comes in, it sounds kinda similar: not really in tune with anything and not very clear-sounding. Kinda reminds me of bubbling or boiling water. While we're on this topic and Pink Floyd was mentioned before, I think the very first percussion we hear (reminiscent of a tick-tock sound) in 'Time' after the barrage of clock sounds fades off must be some kind of sequencer as well. Unless maybe drum machines have been around longer than I thought?? Dave B. (back to lurking) From: ampmusic Date: Sat Oct 6, 2001 5:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sequencers OK, here's the situation on sequencers. Many of the old analog synths can make repetitive, cycled sounds (bubbling sounds and so on) which fall short of actually being a tune, without having a sequencer. Notable example; the backing pattern on Klaus Schulze's 'Totem', an ARP Odyssey playing repetitive semi-random filtered sounds into an echo, before he could afford a larger synth system with a real sequencer. The EMS Synthi A and VCS3 used early on by TD would also have been well capable of doing this kind of thing too. Example; 'Zeit'. Pretty rapidly, EMS released various sequencers, and a sequencer/touch keyboard for the Synthi A. This was used by Pink Floyd on 'Run Like Hell' - not for a very staccato, bass guitar-like pattern, but for the very fast riff running throughout the piece. Everything else on 'Time' is tape loops (of clocks), drums etc; nothing to do with sequencers. TD had an early custom-built sequencer on 'Green Desert'. But that album of course wasn't released until much later. There are no sequencers on 'Atem' (there is a drum kit though); there are lots on 'Phaedra' (specifically, the sequencer modules of a Moog modular system). These come to the fore on 'Rubycon' and 'Ricochet'. By 'Stratosfear', they were using custom-built digital sequencers capable of more than repeated 8- or 16-note patterns. If you think you hear more complex patterns than that earlier on (or on Michael Hoenig's 'Departure from the Northern Wasteland' which used an ARP 16-step sequencer), then it's all in the playing... Terry Riley (specifically on 'Rainbow In Curved Air', released 1967 I think) didn't go anywhere near a sequencer - though they certainly existed, he was really from a different musical tradition. 'Rainbow' is all played by hand, much of it into a tape echo for 'Spatially separated mirror images' (i.e. ping-pong echo) or 'Time Lag Accumulation' (i.e. long delay tape loops, more notably on Side 2). The album was done on a very early example of an 8-track recorder, and some of the tracks are played back at 2, 4 or 8 times the original playing speed. Between this and the echo, small inconsistencies are ironed out and some tracks sound very regular and sequencer-like. But sadly, Terry never attempted anything like this again, and the later albums (e.g. 'Persian Surgery Dervishes') are much simpler, then by 'Shri Camel' he starts to go for Just Intonation, which just sounds plain out of tune to me :-) Drum machines have been around since the 1950's. But while Kraftwerk used them a little (and Cluster a lot), I think it's fair to say that both TD and Pink Floyd pretty much avoided them early on. Dave Brewer wrote: > John said: > > > >Why not Origin Of Supernatural Probabilities? It'd say it would be > >sequences, but then again, I don't know anything about composing music of > >playing synths. But if it isn't a sequencer, what is it then? > > > > I agree. That repetative gurgling-like sound has got to be a sequencer. If > I'm remembering correctly, when the sequence for Phaedra first comes in, it > sounds kinda similar: not really in tune with anything and not very > clear-sounding. Kinda reminds me of bubbling or boiling water. > > While we're on this topic and Pink Floyd was mentioned before, I think the > very first percussion we hear (reminiscent of a tick-tock sound) in 'Time' > after the barrage of clock sounds fades off must be some kind of sequencer > as well. Unless maybe drum machines have been around longer than I > thought?? > > Dave B. (back to lurking) > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29420 Re: Sequencers Marcel Engels Sat 10/6/2001 2 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Fri Oct 5, 2001 6:23 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Translation of the Jerome interview So those JS CDs that people have been paying a fortune for on e-bay will soon become easily available again...sometimes it pays to be patient :-) Anyway, thanks for the translation, very enlightening, rare to see the Jerome-eye view of TD... Paul ---------- >De : 'simon heath' >Ŕ : >Objet : Re: [tadream] Translation of the Jerome interview >Date : Ven 5 oct 2001 20:07 > > Jerome said >>. For Phaedra, then, the band came by a Moog synthesiser. Phaedra was also > the first disc in musical history in which sequencing was used. > Terry Rileys' 'a Rainbow in Curved Air' sounds like sequenced music, from > 1971 I think.Anyone here know if it was? >>that doesn't seem to be the good English way. in which English manners and politeness are used as a comparative standard > against someone who is being rude> > > Do Germans still have this quaint opinion of the English? > > www.cat.ismad.com > www.mog.ismad.com > simonheath > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Nigbur > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Date: 05 October 2001 12:33 > Subject: Re: [tadream] Translation of the Jerome interview > > > I had a little bit of time on my hands and thought I'd translate this for > you manually (without the exquisite services of the trance-lator). 'I' > stands for the Interviewer, 'JF' for Jerome. The comments in <> brackets are > my own and point out expressions difficult to translate verbatim. > > > > Today you can find keyboards in any child's bedroom. And without the > sequencer we would probably have been spared the whole techno scene. Those > who want to know who is to blame here should read this article. Renald > Mienert talked to Jerome Froese, the son of Edgar Froese, who thirty years > ago founded Tangerine Dream, a group that still plays at the top of the > league in electronic rock music. The junior, therein, turned out to be > well-informed about events that partly happened even before he was born. > > I: Today Tangerine Dream are themselves a legend. Thirty years ago, however, > your father had the opportunity to meet one of the most extraordinary > personalities in the art world of the 20th century. What did a student in > 1967 have to do to be invited by Salvador Dali? > > JF: Edgar was studying painting and sculpture at the time. One of his fellow > students had applied to study under Dali and had actually been accepted. > Dali used to organise those strange parties over there, and this fellow > student invited Edgar to accompany the happenings with his music. Then, > however, Edgar was still playing in his old band - The Ones. A result of > this was a fairly close contact, you could almost say they became mates. > > I: When I listen to the early stuff, tracks like Zeit, Wahn, Alpha Centauri, > that was all quite experimental still, and there was hardly any real melody. > Around 1973 there was quite a leap in development. I think Phaedra may be an > example here. How do you evaluate these early albums today? Were they a kind > of necessary stepping stone for the typical TD sound? > > JF: Looking at Grimoire , I suppose precisely > those early recordings would be just the thing for you. Well, there were no > synthesisers in those days as such. Also, the technology at the time was > dead expensive. People like Keith Emerson, who had enough dough, could > possibly afford to put things like that on stage. TD in those days, in > addition to the conventional instruments, tried to produce some sort of > sound with anything that was lying around - including coffee machines > I: You have often been subjected to harsh criticism. How do you deal with > this? If one says about an album like Phaedra, which after all went gold in > many countries, 'People eat more shit, 100,000 flies can't be wrong', > > JF: At the beginning of the 80s, people were complaining because we no > longer sounded like we did in the 70s. In the 90s, they then felt the 80s > could not be good enough. praises of the 80s period> We just continue to develop. When we came up with > shorter pieces for the first time on Le Parc, they called it 'commercial > shite'. Some of the same people today regard the album as a milestone. > Criticism ought to be constructive. If someone says 'throw your instruments > out of the window, lock yourself up and don't come out again', we're just > not interested. > > I: You have made many soundtrack recordings - Near Dark, Sorcerer, Thief, > Firestarter, Legend. Many thrillers, horror films, but also movies about > romantic relationships. Which criteria does a film need to fulfil in order > for you to write the music for it? Klaus Schulze, with Body Love, wrote a > soundtrack for a porno movie. > > JF: If you want to work in Hollywood, you do of course try to get a foot in > the door first of all. You get the script, read through it and then either > say ok or not. The script, of course, doesn't say anything about the > finished movie. You can have the best script in the world, and the finished > film can be complete crap. Then you watch the completed movie and again say > yes or no. If you want to establish yourself on that scene, of course you > start off not declining anything. You think to yourself 'Man, if you don't > do this, you're already out'. So you just begin by accepting as much as > possible, especially if the offers are lucrative. For 'Sorcerer', Friedkin - > who seemed to find our music quite exotic - approached us and said that that > was exactly what he wanted in his movie. We nearly made it for 'The > Exorcist', but that didn't work out in the end. We then scored two Michael > Mann films, and that attracted people. Until then you had that typical film > music like the scores by Goldsmith or Maurice Jarre dominating the > soundtrack scene. With our electronic gear you were the exotic one. > Synthesisers became affordable in the 80s, and people soon began to copy us. > > I: How does soundtrack writing work? > > JF: You just get a tape with a time code, a script from which you can glean > which scenes to emphasise especially - after the fifth or sixth movie, you > know, of course, what it's all about, and you can work quite independently. > > I: How did the idea come about to tour the GDR? First a concert, the record, > but then soon a tour of some major cities. > > JF: Those first two gigs were actually a sorry affair. You wouldn't believe > these days all the paperwork that happened in the run-up. The small tour > after that wasn't really so much of a problem. Presumably, as far as Western > bands went, we were also the lesser evil - after all, we didn't do lyrics. > But we had to cut the audience applause both from the beginning and the end > because they were afraid about people shouting things. > > I: A while after that, you were again touring the East. This time in Poland. > The problems there were of a very different nature. > > JF: The Poland tour really took it out of the whole crew. It was winter and > the situation in Poland then was utter shit. The venues sometimes had floors > frozen solid, the glass roofs were broken. All those sensitive pieces of > equipment were failing continually. Sometimes we had power cuts of up to > half an hour. And the people sat on the ice in the f***ing cold and didn't > say a thing . Something went wrong all the time, and > somehow it was exactly that what brought the whole crew together. If you > asked anyone about the Poland tour after that, everyone said 'Poland, that > was so hard, but it was just great'. > > I: The only constant in the TD line-up is Edgar. Is there still any contact > to former members? > > JF: Well, we really had our fair share of line-up changes. We still keep in > touch with Johannes Schmölling because he still lives in Berlin as well. > He's one of the few that stayed in Berlin. All the others seemed to need the > Hollywood wind blowing around their face. Some of his records we're now > going to re-release on our label, once the old contracts have expired. But > he's really the only one we still have anything to do with. > > I: It is unusual to have father and son playing in the same group. Often, > musical preferences differ, don't they? Really, you should have been playing > punk. > > JF: Then, when we did Melrose, composition was split into thirds, but now > it's become a fifty-fifty thing. Really, I always had access to all the > instruments, and could basically do what I like. It worked quite well, on > Melrose to begin with, and then we tried to keep that up. Edgar could never > afford to let me join in if I couldn't cut the mustard either. What good > would it be if I'm the son but cock up all the time? > > I: Theoretically, it would be conceivable that your father will some day > withdraw from the business altogether and you will continue Tangerine Dream. > How do you like that thought? > > JF: I can't answer that. He's already said a few times that he wants to > retire. But now we have a new line-up, a new tour. Taking over the band is > absolutely no concern at the moment. > > ============== > > > Tangerine Dream - Wenn der Vater mit dem Sohne > > Keyboards findet man heute fast in jedem Kinderzimmer. Und ohne Sequenzer > wäre uns die gesamte Techno-Szene vermutlich erspart geblieben. Wer wissen > will, wer Schuld an allem ist, der möge diesen Artikel lesen. Renald Mienert > unterhielt sich mit Jerome Froese, dem Sohn von Edgar Froese, der vor > dreißig Jahren Tangerine Dream gründete, eine Band, die heute immer noch > ganz vorn in der Liga der elektronischen Rock-Musik mitspielt. Dabei erwies > sich der Junior bestens informiert über Ereignisse, die zum Teil > stattfanden, als er noch gar nicht geboren war. > > > Heute ist Tangerine Dream ja selbst schon Legende. Vor dreißig Jahren hatte > dein Vater jedoch Gelegenheit, eine der schillerndsten Persönlichkeiten der > Kunst des zwanzigsten Jahrhunderts überhaupt kennenzulernen. Was muß ein > Student 1967 tun, um von Salvador Dali eingeladen zu werden? > Edgar hat damals Malerei und Bildhauerei studiert. Einer seiner > Studienkollegen hat sich bei Dali als Schüler beworben und ist tatsächlich > angenommen worden. Dali hat dort solche komischen Feten organisiert und > dieser Kollege hat Edgar eingeladen, diese mit Musik zu untermalen. Damals > hat Edgar allerdings noch mit seiner alten Band gespielt - The Ones. Daraus > entstand dann ein ziemlich enger Kontakt, man kann fast sagen, sie wurden > Kumpel. > > > Wenn ich die frühen Sachen anhöre, solche Titel wie Zeit, Wahn, Alpha > Centauri, das war alles noch sehr experimentell und es gab kaum wirkliche > Melodien. So etwa 1973 gab es dann aber einen ziemlichen Sprung in der > Entwicklung. Ich glaube 'Phaedra' kann hier als Beispiel gelten. Wie seht > ihr heute diese frühen Alben? Waren sie eine Art notwendige Vorstufe für den > typischen TD-Sound? > Wenn ich mir Grimoire so anschaue, wären eigentlich genau diese frühen > Sachen richtig für euch. Also Synthesizer in der Form gab es ja damals noch > gar nicht. Außerdem war die Technik damals sauteuer. Solche Leute wie Keith > Emerson, die genug Knete hatten, konnten es sich vielleicht erlauben, solche > Dinger auf die Bühne zu stellen. TD hat damals neben den normalen > Musikinstrumenten versucht, mit allen möglichen Sachen, die so rumstanden > irgendwelchen Klang zu erzeugen - bis hin zu Kaffeemaschinen. Bei 'Phaedra' > fiel der Band dann ein Moog in die Hände. 'Phaedra' war auch die erste > Scheibe in der Musikgeschichte, bei der mit Sequenzing gearbeitet wurde. > > > Ihr wart oft recht derben Kritiken ausgesetzt. Wie geht ihr damit um? Wenn > man über ein Album, wie 'Phaedra', das ja immerhin in vielen Ländern > vergoldet wurde, sagt: 'Leute freßt mehr Scheiße, 100000 Fliegen können sich > nicht irren', dann ist das nicht gerade die feine englische Art... > Anfang der Achtziger haben die Leute gemeckert, weil wir nicht mehr klangen > wie in den Siebzigern. In den Neunzigern waren ihnen dann die Achtziger > nicht mehr gut genug. Wir entwickeln uns halt kontinuierlich weiter. Als wir > auf 'Le Parc' erstmals mit kürzeren Stücken an die Öffentlichkeit traten, > warf man uns kommerziellen Scheiß vor. Die zum Teil gleichen Leute halten > das Album heute für einen Meilenstein. Kritik sollte konstruktiv sein. Wenn > einer sagt, schmeiß deine Instrumente aus dem Fenster, schließ dich ein und > komm nicht wieder raus - sowas interessiert uns gar nicht. > > > Ihr habt viele Soundtracks gemacht - Near Dark, Sorcerer, Thief, > Firestarter, Legend. Viele Thriller, Horror, aber auch Beziehungskisten. > Welche Voraussetzungen muß ein Film erfüllen, daß ihr die Musik dafür > schreibt? Klaus Schulze hat mit Body Love den Soundtrack zu einem Porno > geschrieben..... > Wenn du in Hollywood arbeiten willst, versuchst du natürlich erst einmal ein > Bein in die Tür zu kriegen. Zunächst kriegst du das Drehbuch, liest es dir > durch, sagst OK oder auch nicht. Das Drehbuch sagt freilich über den Film > noch nichts aus. Du kannst das beste Drehbuch haben, und der fertige Film > ist dann totale Scheiße. Dann siehst du den fertigen Film, und sagst da dann > wieder ja oder nein. Wenn man in diese Szene rein will, lehnt man natürlich > zunächst nichts ab. Du denkst: 'Man wenn ich das jetzt nicht mache, dann bin > sofort raus.' Also nimmst du erst mal soviel wie möglich an, besonders, wenn > es sich um lukrative Angebote handelt. Bei 'The Sorcerer' kam Friedkin, der > unsere Musik wohl recht exotisch fand, auf uns zu und sagte, genau so etwas > will ich in meinem Film haben. Wir hätten fast noch den 'Exorzisten' > gemacht, aber das hat dann nicht mehr geklappt. Wir haben dann zwei Michael > Mann - Filme gemacht, und das hat die Leute angezogen. Bis dahin gab es > diese typischen Filmmusiken wie die von Goldsmith oder Maurice Jarre, die > die Soundtrack-Szene beherrscht haben. Mit unseren Elektronikkisten war man > da natürlich der totale Exot. Synthies fingen in den Achtzigern an, > erschwinglich zu werden, und freilich wurden wir recht bald kopiert. > > > Wie funktioniert eigentlich das Soundtrack-Schreiben? > Du kriegst dann also ein Tape mit 'nem Timecode, ein Script aus dem du > entnehmen kannst, welche Szenen du besonders hervorheben sollst - nach dem > fünften, sechsten Film weiß man dann natürlich, worauf es ankommt und kann > auch relativ selbständig agieren. > > > Wie kam es zu der Idee, eine Tour durch die DDR zu machen. Zuerst ein > Konzert, die Platte, aber recht bald eine Tour durch einige größere > Städte... > Diese ersten zwei Gigs waren ja eigentlich ein Unding. Was da für ein > Papierkrieg im Vorfeld stattfand, kann heute kein Mensch mehr > nachvollziehen. Diese kleine Tour war dann eigentlich nicht mehr das > Problem. Wir waren vermutlich auch in Sachen Bands aus dem Westen so etwas > wie das kleinere Übel - schließlich hatten wir keine Texte. Den Applaus auf > der Platte mußten wir sowohl am Anfang als auch am Ende rausschneiden, weil > man Angst vor Zwischenrufen hatte. > > > Kurz danach wart ihr dann erneut im Ostblock auf Tour. Diesmal in Polen. Die > Schwierigkeiten dort waren dann aber völlig anderer Natur... > Die Polentour war für die komplette Crew die Härte. Es war Winter und die > Lage in Polen war damals echt Scheiße. Die Hallen waren zum Teil der blanke > Eisboden, die Scheiben in den Glasdächern waren kaputt. Diese ganzen > empfindlichen Geräte sind natürlich laufend ausgefallen. Teilweise gab es > Stromausfälle bis zu einer halben Stunde. Und die Leute saßen bei dieser > Arschkälte auf dem Eis und haben keine Mucks gesagt. Es ging dauernd was > schief, und irgendwie hat genau das die ganze Crew zusammengeschweißt. Wenn > du hinterher einen nach der Polentour gefragt hast, hat jeder gesagt - > Polen, das war die Härte, aber er war einfach stark. > > > Die einzige konstante Größe im TD-Line Up ist Edgar. Bestehen noch Kontakte > zu ehemaligen Mitgliedern? > Wir hatten ja nun wirklich jede Menge Line-Up Wechsel. Zu Johannes > Schmölling bestehen noch Kontakte, weil er ja auch in Berlin wohnt. Er ist > einer der wenigen, die in Berlin geblieben sind. Alle anderen mußten sich ja > auch den Hollywood-Wind um die Nase wehen lassen. Einige Platten von ihm > werden wir jetzt auf unserem Label wiederveröffentlichen, wenn die alten > Verträge dann ausgelaufen sind. Aber er ist eigentlich der einzige, mit dem > wir noch zu tun haben. > Daß Vater und Sohn in der gleichen Band spielen ist außergewöhnlich. Meist > sind die musikalischen Interessen doch verschieden. Eigentlich hättest du > Punk spielen müssen. > Damals bei 'Melrose' wurden die Kompositionen noch gedrittelt aber > mittlerweile ist es eigentlich eine fiftie/fiftie - Sache geworden. Ich > hatte einfach immer Zugang zu dem gesamten Instrumentarium, konnte faktisch > rummachen wie ich wollte. Das hat ganz gut geklappt, zunächst bei 'Melrose', > und wir haben es dann halt weiter versucht. Edgar könnte es sich auch gar > nicht leisten, mich mitmachen zu lassen, wenn ich nichts drauf hätte. Was > nützt es, daß ich zwar der Sohn bin, aber nur Scheiße baue. > > > Theoretisch wäre es doch denkbar, daß dein Vater sich mal irgendwann aus dem > Geschäft zurückziehst und du Tangerine Dream weiterführst. Wie gefällt dir > der Gedanke? > Das kann ich nicht beantworten. Er hat ja schon oft gesagt, daß er aufhören > will. Aber jetzt haben wir erst einmal ein neues Line Up, eine Tour. Eine > Bandübernahme durch mich steht im Moment überhaupt nicht zur Debatte. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Oct 6, 2001 4:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sequencers Thanks for a well covering answer. So now I know about all about the prehistory of sequencers... John Vertical >OK, here's the situation on sequencers. > >Many of the old analog synths can make repetitive, cycled sounds (bubbling >sounds and so on) which fall short of actually >being a tune, without having a sequencer. Notable example; the backing >pattern on Klaus Schulze's 'Totem', an ARP Odyssey >playing repetitive semi-random filtered sounds into an echo, before he >could afford a larger synth system with a real >sequencer. > >The EMS Synthi A and VCS3 used early on by TD would also have been well >capable of doing this kind of thing too. Example; >'Zeit'. > >Pretty rapidly, EMS released various sequencers, and a sequencer/touch >keyboard for the Synthi A. This was used by Pink Floyd >on 'Run Like Hell' - not for a very staccato, bass guitar-like pattern, but >for the very fast riff running throughout the >piece. Everything else on 'Time' is tape loops (of clocks), drums etc; >nothing to do with sequencers. > >TD had an early custom-built sequencer on 'Green Desert'. But that album of >course wasn't released until much later. There are >no sequencers on 'Atem' (there is a drum kit though); there are lots on >'Phaedra' (specifically, the sequencer modules of a >Moog modular system). These come to the fore on 'Rubycon' and 'Ricochet'. >By 'Stratosfear', they were using custom-built >digital sequencers capable of more than repeated 8- or 16-note patterns. If >you think you hear more complex patterns than that >earlier on (or on Michael Hoenig's 'Departure from the Northern Wasteland' >which used an ARP 16-step sequencer), then it's all >in the playing... > >Terry Riley (specifically on 'Rainbow In Curved Air', released 1967 I >think) didn't go anywhere near a sequencer - though they >certainly existed, he was really from a different musical tradition. >'Rainbow' is all played by hand, much of it into a tape >echo for 'Spatially separated mirror images' (i.e. ping-pong echo) or 'Time >Lag Accumulation' (i.e. long delay tape loops, >more notably on Side 2). The album was done on a very early example of an >8-track recorder, and some of the tracks are played >back at 2, 4 or 8 times the original playing speed. Between this and the >echo, small inconsistencies are ironed out and some >tracks sound very regular and sequencer-like. But sadly, Terry never >attempted anything like this again, and the later albums >(e.g. 'Persian Surgery Dervishes') are much simpler, then by 'Shri Camel' >he starts to go for Just Intonation, which just >sounds plain out of tune to me :-) > >Drum machines have been around since the 1950's. But while Kraftwerk used >them a little (and Cluster a lot), I think it's fair >to say that both TD and Pink Floyd pretty much avoided them early on. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: gmroger@p... Date: Sat Oct 6, 2001 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1061 Date sent: 6 Oct 2001 11:22:17 -0000 From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Send reply to: tadream@yahoogroups.com To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 1061 > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 21:33:56 +0300 > From: 'John Vertical' > Subject: RE: Re: Favourite albums > > >10. Force Majeure > > > Still don't understand the last eight minutes of Thru Metamorphic Rocks. > >I'm > > > sorry. The band thought 'Ooooh!' when > > > the accident happened. Then eight minutes later, Chris asks... 'Shall I > >switch > > > it off now?' But I love the rest. It may > > > have been more progressive rock than electronic, but I was still > >enjoying Pink > > > Floyd at the time too! > > > So you think that the one unwanted extra sequence makes the rest of the > track bad? Not at all. In fact, I remember after buying the album (in clear vinyl!) playing it so many times that I decided to put it onto tape. I liked 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks' as the first four and a half minutes continued in the style where 'Cloudburst Flight' left off. But the rest was just meaningless to me. It was such that I could copy the album onto one side of a C-30 tape and then put in a fade just as the sequencer riff got going on that track. So my tape only had a 4.30 version of the piece. And to date that's how it still is for me, despite playing the CD on occasions and letting it run. Sorry, but 'FM' is great until after approximately 4.30 of 'TMR'... - Roger Hartopp P.S. Sorry for late responses, but I'm on digest mode... -- Zagraj z finalistkami Miss Polonia [ http://miss.onet.pl/start.html ] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29419 Re: Digest Number 1061 John Vertical Sat 10/6/2001 3 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sat Oct 6, 2001 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Meeting in Bernau On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > I'm not sure if this mail went through so I'll post it again. > The following people will show up at the 'pre-show-get together' meeting > in Bernau on October 7th: > --Peter Ravn (Denmark) > --Tommy Jacobsen (Denmark) > --Heiko Neumann (Germany) > --Heiko Heerssen (Germany) > --Jerome & friend (Switzerland) > --Vic Rek (USA) > --Uwe Herold (Germany) > --Peter Stoeferle (Germany) if he can make it on time and me: Rainer Rutka Best wishes ! Rainer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29418 Bernau Roger Hartopp Sat 10/6/2001 2 KB 29421 Re: Bernau j.gordon Sat 10/6/2001 2 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Sat Oct 6, 2001 5:50 pm Subject: Bernau That reminds me. Hopefully everyone going tomorrow will all have a great time. And, Jerome, don't forget my CD goodies (if they have any there!) Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29421 Re: Bernau j.gordon Sat 10/6/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Oct 6, 2001 6:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1061 > > > >10. Force Majeure > > > > Still don't understand the last eight minutes of Thru Metamorphic >Rocks. > > >I'm > > > > sorry. The band thought 'Ooooh!' when > > > > the accident happened. Then eight minutes later, Chris asks... >'Shall I > > >switch > > > > it off now?' But I love the rest. It may > > > > have been more progressive rock than electronic, but I was still > > >enjoying Pink > > > > Floyd at the time too! > > > > > > So you think that the one unwanted extra sequence makes the rest of the > > track bad? > >Not at all. In fact, I remember after buying the album (in clear vinyl!) >playing it so many times that I decided to put it onto tape. >I liked 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks' as the first four and a half minutes >continued in the style where 'Cloudburst Flight' >left off. But the rest was just meaningless to me. It was such that I could >copy the album onto one side of a C-30 >tape and then put in a fade just as the sequencer riff got going on that >track. So my tape only had a 4.30 version of >the piece. And to date that's how it still is for me, despite playing the >CD on occasions and letting it run. Sorry, but >'FM' is great until after approximately 4.30 of 'TMR'... > >- Roger Hartopp > >P.S. Sorry for late responses, but I'm on digest mode... > No matter. I've waited for weeks for replies from old adresses... You just got me confused with the '8 minutes', as the whole 'weird' section is about 10. So I got the impression that you liked the music until that malfunction stuff came in. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sat Oct 6, 2001 6:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Sequencers > From: ampmusic [mailto:tadream@a...] > > TD had an early custom-built sequencer on 'Green Desert'. But > that album of course wasn't released until much later. There are > no sequencers on 'Atem' (there is a drum kit though); Could be that it is an square LFO then because it is definitely rhytmic...only for a few seconds but it's there. > If you think you hear more complex patterns than that > earlier on (or on Michael Hoenig's 'Departure from the Northern > Wasteland' which used an ARP 16-step sequencer), then it's all > in the playing... And the Arp is driving Oberheim 4 (8?) voices... And lots (I mean lots!) of Elka Rhapsody sounds on top. Marcel From: 'j.gordon' Date: Sat Oct 6, 2001 10:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bernau gotcha covered, rh... j --- Roger Hartopp wrote: > That reminds me. Hopefully everyone going tomorrow will all have a > great time. And, Jerome, don't forget my CD goodies (if they have any > there!) > > Roger Hartopp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat Oct 6, 2001 11:14 pm Subject: Re: Tyranny of Beauty (was 'Re: Favourite albums') In a message dated 10/6/01 4:00:51 AM, Dennis@m... writes: >I couldn't stand Rockoon, 220 Volt has its moments, I found Tyranny of >Beauty dreadful and tedious, and the whole period (up to but not including >Goblins' Club) just seems rather bland and showy. I've always wondered what it is about Tyranny of Beauty that causes so many people (at least on this list) to hate it. It's one of my favorite TD albums of the '90s. Those of you who don't like Tyranny of Beauty: Why not? I don't intend to dispute your opinions, I'm just curious. --Daniel NP: VNV Nation--Empires Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29423 Re: Tyranny of Beauty (was 'Re: Favourite albums' Synthhtnys@a... Sat 10/6/2001 2 KB 29429 Re: Tyranny of Beauty (was 'Re: Favourite albums' Dennis Nigbur Sun 10/7/2001 7 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Oct 6, 2001 11:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tyranny of Beauty (was 'Re: Favourite albums') > *Three words: Tyranny of mediocrity. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Greg' Date: Sun Oct 7, 2001 8:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Least Favourite TD stuff Least Favorite: 1. Le Parc (sounds so sterile... exception: Bois De Boulogne & Yellowstone Park) 2. 220 Volt 3. Ricochet 4. Stratosfear 5. Quinoa (ugh!) 6. Tournado 7. Lily on the Beach 8. Sohoman Most Favorite 1. Poland (my favorite) 2. Tangram 3. Phaedra 4. Logos 5. Mars Polaris 6. Livemiles 7. Green Desert 8. Soundmill Navigator (awesome!) 9. Tyranny of Beauty 10. Oasis Tracks I Least Appreciate: 1. L.A. Streethawk 2. Optical Race 3. Central Park 4. Ricochet pt. 1 5. Quinoa (all of it!) 6. The hacked up tracks on Sohoman 7. Rockoon 8. Any of the various mixes of Touchwood I don't own very many soundtracks so I can't comment except for an incredible appreciation for 'Unicorn Theme: Cologne, 2/23/89' if the MP3 info is right. Greg H. NP: Frontier Psychiatrist - The Avalanches From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sun Oct 7, 2001 8:57 am Subject: 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' Sigh, Sometimes I can't figure you TD fanboys out. My fave TD-related album is EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE, while my fave TD track is 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' (EXIT's 'Remote Viewing' and MARS POLARIS' 'Comet's Figure Head' come in at Second and Third Place). With all the pissing and moaning about how folks wish Edgar and Company returned to making music like in the good ol' days, it is singularly odd that a track so ahead of its time as 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' should get so little respect 22 years later. At least SORCERER and THE PARK IS MINE is on CD. Those albums have stuff on them similar to 'Through Metamorphic Rocks.' ('Igneous' from THIEF is too trashy a remix for my tastes.) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TransRomance listowner http://thekeep.0catch.com/titmouse.htm Stephie-mouse! http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29432 Re: 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' John Vertical Sun 10/7/2001 3 KB 30543 Re: 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' Heiko Heerssen Wed 12/12/2001 2 KB 30587 Re: 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' Joe Shoults Fri 12/14/2001 3 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sun Oct 7, 2001 9:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Least Favourite TD stuff On Sun, 7 Oct 2001 01:50:00 -0700 'Greg' writes: > Least Favorite: > > 1. Le Parc (sounds so sterile... [. . .] > Most Favorite > > 1. Poland (my favorite) Wait a minute. LE PARC sounds sterile, but you think POLAND does not?!?!?!?!? > 6. Livemiles I guess that explains the LE PARC comment. *I* consider LIVEMILES to sound sterile! -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'David Bowie told me Brian Eno gave him a record of I Feel Love and said 'David . . . I heard the future!'' -- Giorgio Moroder, on the UK Channel 4 television special, 'The UK's Greatest #1 Singles,' on January 6, 2001 From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sun Oct 7, 2001 9:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Least Favourite TD stuff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 07 October 2001 10:00 Subject: Re: [tadream] Least Favourite TD stuff > On Sun, 7 Oct 2001 01:50:00 -0700 'Greg' writes: > > Least Favorite: > > > > 1. Le Parc (sounds so sterile... > [. . .] > > Most Favorite > > > > 1. Poland (my favorite) > > Wait a minute. LE PARC sounds sterile, but > you think POLAND does not?!?!?!?!? I quite agree with Greg's attitude. Poland and Le Parc may only be a year apart, and some of the sounds may be similar, but the equipment and the sounds are - in my opinion - used to much better effect in Poland. Poland has a breadth, depth and lyricism that Le Parc fails to produce all along the way. Given how different the two albums are (no matter whether you agree with their evaluation or not) why does it sound unreasonable to you to like one but not the other? Dennis From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sun Oct 7, 2001 9:27 am Subject: Feldman's Current TD Faves Most fave ranked first, tenth fave ranked last: 1.) 1975 RUBYCON (this and Eno's ON LAND are *the* space albums!) 2.) 1996 THE DREAM MIXES (the UK Two-CD Set version) 3.) 1980 TANGRAM (the best two long pieces on a single release) 4.) 2001 DREAM MIXES III: THE PAST HUNDRED MOONS (only two iffy tracks) 5.) 1985 HEARTBREAKERS soundtrack (some great romantic music, here) 6.) 1997 TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II (a sublime, all-of-a-piece album) 7.) 1999 MARS POLARIS (the return to greatness; the heck with OASIS!) 8.) 1984 THE PARK IS MINE soundtrack (the darkest, edgiest ever) 9.) 1990 MELROSE (vastly underrated, even though the final track rots) 10.) 1989 DEAD SOLID PERFECT soundtrack (primo background music) and, even though they're solo albums, and not actually TD records: *.) 1974 EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE (by the Norse God) *.) 1976 ROMANCE '76 (by Peter Baumann) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TransRomance listowner http://thekeep.0catch.com/titmouse.htm Stephie-mouse! http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sun Oct 7, 2001 9:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tyranny of Beauty (was 'Re: Favourite albums') There are a few things that really annoy me about Tyranny of Beauty, and while I appreciate that TD produced what was important and seemed plausible to them at the time, I'm exercising my right not to like the album although I do own it and even play it at regular intervals to re-appraise the music. I don't like the way the guitar (whether acoustic, electric or whatever) dominates everything on the album, nicely symbolised in the beginning of 'Bride in Cold Tears', where the electric guitar plays on its own at the start of the track, with some half-hearted keyboard sounds thrown in here and there. I love the use of the guitar on much of TD's work, no matter whether it's Edgar's early solos or Jerome/Gradwool/Hornby/Perica's more recent contributions. But if it is overdone, the guitar does have a tendency to overwhelm the more subtle rhythmic and melodic structures that are, for me at least, the reason to listen to TD rather than any other group. And I think it definitely is overdone on Tyranny. It may of course be that there are many clever bits of compositional work on the album that merely get masked by the guitar screaming all over it. After many, many times of listening (which goes to show that it does pay off to keep trying, although it won't necessarily make me like the album), I get the impression that some parts of the last two tracks, 'Haze of Fame' and 'Tyranny of Beauty' could have formed the basis of an interesting experiment with their arhythmic, warbling ambience, IF they hadn't been perverted into axe-beating masturbation. A lot of people seem to like 'Catwalk', which is undisputably the most catchy title on the album. I don't mind it, but it doesn't really seem like much more than an attempt to integrate several things that had already been tried on 'Firetongues' from the preceding album (e.g. the acoustic guitar solo) with a Dream Mixes-style dance beat. It works, but after a while I think the melody becomes too simplistic to hold my attention any longer. The next two tracks could have been quite easily made into one because they are so similar, and neither really does anything for me. 'Living in a Fountain Pen' is quite nice, and maybe the reason why I like it better than most other tracks on the album is that it is a little more understated, and it seems slightly calmer and more evocative. It may be nothing special, but the bit where the guitar takes over the melody line from the saxophone (or was it the other way round?), while verging on the corny, is at least a compositional feat that hasn't been obscured by drums and guitar. So, at the end of this lengthy explanation, I hope you can understand why I don't like Tyranny (although I don't expect you to agree with it - in fact, it would be interesting to have your take on the points I've made). I think the heavier sound of the early Seattle Years had been perfected by the time of 'Turn of the Tides', which somehow seems to hold together a little bit more, and seems to have more thought going into it. With 'Goblins' Club', the band would abandon that sound and cease to rely as heavily on guitars and saxophones, which in my view brought out the compositional qualities of the work a lot more clearly. Whilst I can imagine the last two tracks working reasonably well as live music, with their eerie intros and subsequent guitar heroics, it doesn't work for me on record. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 07 October 2001 00:14 Subject: [tadream] Re: Tyranny of Beauty (was 'Re: Favourite albums') > In a message dated 10/6/01 4:00:51 AM, Dennis@m... writes: > > >I couldn't stand Rockoon, 220 Volt has its moments, I found Tyranny of > >Beauty dreadful and tedious, and the whole period (up to but not including > >Goblins' Club) just seems rather bland and showy. > > I've always wondered what it is about Tyranny of Beauty that causes so many > people (at least on this list) to hate it. It's one of my favorite TD albums > of the '90s. Those of you who don't like Tyranny of Beauty: Why not? I don't > intend to dispute your opinions, I'm just curious. > > --Daniel > NP: VNV Nation--Empires > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Greg' Date: Sun Oct 7, 2001 10:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Least Favourite TD stuff > > > > 1. Le Parc (sounds so sterile... > [. . .] > > Most Favorite > > > > 1. Poland (my favorite) > > Wait a minute. LE PARC sounds sterile, but > you think POLAND does not?!?!?!?!? > > > 6. Livemiles > > I guess that explains the LE PARC comment. > *I* consider LIVEMILES to sound sterile! > > -- Steven Feldman I honestly think that my low evaluation of Le Parc is due to the implied content forced into the individual tracks. Yes, Poland and Le Parc are very different. Compare the stereotypical choice of sounds to match the song titles. Think about Zen Garden and the use of 'appropriate' drum presets, the piano on Tiergarten, the glass sounds on Central Park, the jet on LA Streethawk.. The descriptive abilities of TD had become too literal.. and to me, very sterile, unimaginative on this album. Livemiles is technically brilliant - which to me touches a different level of emotions. Greg H. From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Oct 7, 2001 2:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Blue Years >I honestly think that my low evaluation of Le Parc is due to the >implied content forced into the individual tracks. Yes, Poland >and Le Parc are very different. Compare the stereotypical choice >of sounds to match the song titles. Think about Zen Garden and >the use of 'appropriate' drum presets, the piano on Tiergarten, >the glass sounds on Central Park, the jet on LA Streethawk.. >The descriptive abilities of TD had become too literal.. and to me, >very sterile, unimaginative on this album. > >Livemiles is technically brilliant - which to me >touches a different level of emotions. > >Greg H. I partially agree with all this. Livemiles is indeed technically brilliant, but the first half is not too great... it has got good melody, but it does suffer from slight clinicality. The West Berlin Concert is great though. Le Parc is definetly a point of no return in terms of depth. It is very annoying to listen tired, but it does have more energy than many other albums. Especially Central Park and the title track have plenty of megajoules. And I still think that Poland is TDs best moment, due to the overwhelming variety and the use of clinic voices in a non-clinic way. (It's impressive that it's sandwiched between less emotional albums like White Eagle and Le Parc.) The best example of this is the first part of Barbakane. It would be easy to compose a very feelingless piece with those same instruments, but Tangerine Dream manages to make it sound like a wintry dawn, and that's about what makes them my favorite band. Period. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Oct 7, 2001 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' >Sigh, > Sometimes I can't figure you TD fanboys out. My fave >TD-related album is EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE, while my fave >TD track is 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' (EXIT's 'Remote >Viewing' and MARS POLARIS' 'Comet's Figure Head' come in at >Second and Third Place). With all the pissing and moaning >about how folks wish Edgar and Company returned to making >music like in the good ol' days, it is singularly odd that a >track so ahead of its time as 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' >should get so little respect 22 years later. > At least SORCERER and THE PARK IS MINE is on CD. Those >albums have stuff on them similar to 'Through Metamorphic >Rocks.' ('Igneous' from THIEF is too trashy a remix for my >tastes.) Hmmmm... so basically you're annoyed because others don't like the same pieces you do? Well, I love Remote Viewing, if that makes you happier. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: gmroger@p... Date: Sun Oct 7, 2001 5:51 pm Subject: Re: Thru Metamorphic Rocks > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 21:19:23 +0300 > From: 'John Vertical' > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1061 > > > > > >10. Force Majeure > > > > > Still don't understand the last eight minutes of Thru Metamorphic > >Rocks. > > > >I'm > > > > > sorry. The band thought 'Ooooh!' when > > > > > the accident happened. Then eight minutes later, Chris asks... > >'Shall I > > > >switch > > > > > it off now?' But I love the rest. It may > > > > > have been more progressive rock than electronic, but I was still > > > >enjoying Pink > > > > > Floyd at the time too! > > > > > > > > > So you think that the one unwanted extra sequence makes the rest of the > > > track bad? > > > >Not at all. In fact, I remember after buying the album (in clear vinyl!) > >playing it so many times that I decided to put it onto tape. > >I liked 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks' as the first four and a half minutes > >continued in the style where 'Cloudburst Flight' > >left off. But the rest was just meaningless to me. It was such that I could > >copy the album onto one side of a C-30 > >tape and then put in a fade just as the sequencer riff got going on that > >track. So my tape only had a 4.30 version of > >the piece. And to date that's how it still is for me, despite playing the > >CD on occasions and letting it run. Sorry, but > >'FM' is great until after approximately 4.30 of 'TMR'... > > > >- Roger Hartopp > > > >P.S. Sorry for late responses, but I'm on digest mode... > > > > > No matter. I've waited for weeks for replies from old adresses... > > You just got me confused with the '8 minutes', as the whole 'weird' section > is about 10. So I got the impression that you liked the music until that > malfunction stuff came in. > > John Vertical That's exactly it. I've probably got my timings wrong (I haven't really checked that), but you've hit the nail on the head. I'm afraid that section is perhaps only appreciated by the EM fans, but for those who just enjoy the music... Well, it simply isn't it. Roger Hartopp -- Zagraj z finalistkami Miss Polonia [ http://miss.onet.pl/start.html ] From: gmroger@p... Date: Sun Oct 7, 2001 5:51 pm Subject: Re: Tyranny of Beauty > In a message dated 10/6/01 4:00:51 AM, Dennis@m... writes: > > >I couldn't stand Rockoon, 220 Volt has its moments, I found Tyranny of > >Beauty dreadful and tedious, and the whole period (up to but not including > >Goblins' Club) just seems rather bland and showy. > > I've always wondered what it is about Tyranny of Beauty that causes so many > people (at least on this list) to hate it. It's one of my favorite TD albums > of the '90s. Those of you who don't like Tyranny of Beauty: Why not? I don't > intend to dispute your opinions, I'm just curious. > > --Daniel I am curious about one thing. Did you guys at AMP listen to the album before agreeing to release it? (After all, it had already been released in Europe, so one assumes you had the chance to do so) If so, what did you REALLY think of it at the time? Roger Hartopp -- Zagraj z finalistkami Miss Polonia [ http://miss.onet.pl/start.html ] From: Liondream@a... Date: Sun Oct 7, 2001 5:56 pm Subject: drum machines TD were using rhythm machines as early as on Encore (Monolight), if I'm not mistaken. The 'digital drum machines' that you may be thinking of didn't come around 'til the 80's. Prior to Encore, on Ricochet, for example, I think Chris Franke was using tape loops. I think that's what he said in an interview in Keyboard in 1996 (which I have here somewhere). I haven't heard the original Dark Side for a while, but I think the sound you mention is was an EMS Synthi. There's a lot of stuff going on in there... a lot of it is cut and paste tape, I'm sure. Liondream <<>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Sun Oct 7, 2001 5:56 pm Subject: Sequencers There you have it! Mark is definitely THE person to ask about synths and sequencers! :-) <<>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Sun Oct 7, 2001 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sequencers John Said: >Thanks for a well covering answer. So now I know about all about the >prehistory of sequencers... > I second that 'thank you', Mark. It just goes to show I don't know much about that kind of thing. I should just stick to talking about what I do know (must be why I don't post often! ;-) ). Someday, I'll get an analog-modeling synth so I can start playing around with it and hopefully understand a little better about how such sounds are made! Dave B. From: 'Coral Rumsey' Date: Sun Oct 7, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Sequencing Terry Rileys' 'a Rainbow in Curved Air' sounds like sequenced music, from 1971 I think.Anyone here know if it was? I think Riley was using cascades of tape loops copying and looping each other until freshly-added layers pushed the original loops off the bottom of the gardually-ageing heap. Frippertronics made this more technically compact. Dunno quite what TD were using in 'Fauni-Gena' or 'Origin of Supernatural Probabilities' but it sounds rather more technically limited than the sequencer module on 'Phaedra', more like incidental-pulsing of the Moog or VCS3 used creatively. Not to say it isn't musically powerful - 'Origin..' (and 'Zeit' generally) made me look at 'Low Bridge' signs in a whole new way. >that doesn't seem to be the good English way. Do Germans still have this quaint opinion of the English? Surprises me too, given the coarseness & violence of much of England. Simon Fay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Jens Kilian Date: Mon Oct 8, 2001 6:59 am Subject: Re: Translation of the Jerome interview > From: 'simon heath' > Subject: Re: Translation of the Jerome interview [...] > >that doesn't seem to be the good English way. in which English manners and politeness are used as a comparative standard > against someone who is being rude> > > Do Germans still have this quaint opinion of the English? Yes. And it's still true, as long as your standard of comparison is based on German behavior :-) [Example of German behavior: An entire school class blocking the stairs on the London Underground, during rush hour, with hundreds of people behind them and a train coming in, and NOT ADVANCING DOWN THE COMPLETELY EMPTY PLATFORM. I did turn rude at that point :-] Bye, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: tom george Date: Mon Oct 8, 2001 7:20 am Subject: Alpha Centauri I just bought this on cd. i have had it on vinyl since it's original release. i have hesitated buying all of this older stuff on cd because the vinyl still sounds so good. but, since my turntable and main stereo system is in storage awaiting my upcoming move i decided i needed to hear this again after all the recent discussion from the list regarding the older things. i drove around town listening to this and was just amazed at how good it sounded. it must have been many years since listening to this one, and i heard things i didn't remember. very beautiful in a primitive way and the soundscapes are so ahead of their time when you consider it came out in 1971. it still sounds valid and unique in 2001. here are the liner notes from the cd that (of course) are not in the original vinyl. It was at this time that I loved, feared and was in awe of T. Dream. My older friend, Cott, he of the Revox reel-to-reel and the money of one who was 17, walked into Diskery in Birmingham and bought a white label of Alpha Centauri. To me it invoked times both beyond the apocalypse and before the flood. Klang! Another organ and harmonic guitar beginning, wailing synthesizer, stop-start rhythms and a building frequency of yet more synthesizer announces the start of Alpha Centauri. Flute dances over the grungey organ, more rhythmless synthesizer, a gradual opening up of this awesomely restricted sound, the organ becomes stereo and the perspectives widen. The false start of 'Sunrise in the Third System' is over, and the introduction is complete. And then the slow build begins again into one of T. Dream's greatest ever tracks, 'Fly & Collision of Comas Sola'. This huge 13 minute epic is not rock 'n' roll, though it has some of the ingredients. But the vast sweeps of cosmic synthesizer and the flat-footed church organ act as special grounders on which the main aspect of freak out, the drums and flute, can be hung. It's as though the musicians feel each other's vibrations but cannot hear the notes the others are playing, similar to the relationship between the backing tracks and the vocals on Captain Beefheart's 'Troutmask Replica'. And as the intensity reaches its height, Chris Franke's jazz based tom-tom blitzouts is as crazy as Klaus Schultzes's contribution to 'Journey Through a Burning Brain' on 'Electronic Meditation'. On Side 2, the title track is a vast 22-minute Kosmische mood-piece utilizing synthesizers, flutes, and the first leanings towards the huge follow-up, 'Zeit'. Steve Schroyder's echoed organ has the greatest sound here, a precursor to the forthcoming T. Dream sound, and also mirroring the Conrad Schnitzler cello sound from the first LP. But Schroyder would have no part in T. Dream's future after this record, relocating to Ash Ra Tempel, the other greatest Kosmische Group in Germany. The album finishes with a beautiful Teutonic chorale. T. Dream have always been great with atmosphere voices and never afraid to bring it all out. Sleeve note by Julian Cope. Taken from the book 'Krautrocksampler' Published by Head Heritage a division of KAK Ltd. Produced by Edgar Froese Recorded in January 1971 at Dierks Studios in Cologne Recording engineer Dieter Dierks Performed by Edgar Froese, Chris Franke and Steve Schroyder Guest appearance- Udo Dennebourg- Flute and words Roland Paulick-VCS 3 Synthi Cover art work Edgar Froese Cover photographs Monica Froese Additional design Curtis Evans Digitally remastered (DQC)tm 1995 at Eastgate Studios Vienna Engineered by Thomas Heimann-Trosien __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29441 Re: Alpha Centauri rubyconist@y... Mon 10/8/2001 3 KB From: rubyconist@y... Date: Mon Oct 8, 2001 8:02 am Subject: Re: Alpha Centauri --- In tadream@y..., tom george wrote: > I just bought this on cd. i have had it on vinyl > since it's original release. i have hesitated buying > all of this older stuff on cd because the vinyl > still sounds so good. but, since my turntable and > main stereo system is in storage awaiting my > upcoming move i decided i needed to hear this again > after all the recent discussion from the list > regarding the older things. i drove around town > listening to this and was just amazed at how good > it sounded. it must have been many years since > listening to this one, and i heard things i didn't > remember. very beautiful in a primitive way and > the soundscapes are so ahead of their time when > you consider it came out in 1971. it still sounds > valid and unique in 2001. here are the liner notes > from the cd that (of course) are not in the original > vinyl. Yeah, AC is still amazing. Altough I would say that somedays I feel that those sounds in the beginning of 1st and 2nd track are too loud in the mix and personally I still can't listen the title track, because it's too Zeit-like (Zeit and Atem aren't my favourite albums in a long shot). But I love the flute, the slow and simple guitar and the fast and manic drumming by Chris. I've heard that the 90's Virgin re-releases are too sharp comparison to the older releases (lp and cd's from 80's). Not sure if this is true or not. Regards, TheInfection From: rubyconist@y... Date: Mon Oct 8, 2001 8:10 am Subject: Re: Favourite albums --- In tadream@y..., 'Marcel Engels' wrote: > > From: gmroger@p... [mailto:gmroger@p...] > > > > 1. Tyger > > Just simply a brilliant album, regardless of who it's by. Forget > > that it's an album with vocals. Forget even that it's an > > album by Tangerine Dream. An album that really should have made it. > > IMO together with LiveMiles the last great album. > The albums after that weren't bad (imo) but never had that > adventurous thing in it. Tyger is lame. But I've only heard it once or twice, so perhaps I should try it couple of times more. > > 3. Stratosfear > > Only criticism of this one is that it's a bit of a short album. > > Strange thing is that a lot of shorter albums are quite good. > Oxygene, lots of italian prog. There's still something about Stratosfear that I don't like. It's too dry for my taste, perhaps... > > 4. Mars Polaris > > It's a shame that many of us think that TD life ends after > > Livemiles. But, admittedly, it did take them over ten years... > > I must admit I never heard one track from this CD. :-) > And I hear everyone likes it so I may try it. It's ok album, but don't stray too much from the current style of TD. > > 5. Underwater Sunlight > > I remember voting this second when I last voted, but the last two > > tracks aren't that brilliant. But Song of the Whale, > > Part 2 is brilliant... > > Excellent album! Somehow little too 80's. > > 6. Ricochet > > This was among the first TD albums I bought, and simply love part 2! > > The superb sequencer-fest. > Why is it that nobody mentions part 1...after the middle part I personally > think it is as good as part 2. Great album. I prefer the first part. > > 7. Cyclone > > Vocals we know about, but it's well produced and when you start > > to listen to 'Madrigal Meridian', it's a bit like setting > > off on a journey with an uncertain destination. (It turns out > > this album was recorded under deadline pressures...) > > Why most people don't like this album or the vocals is beyond me. > Wonderful album. I agree. I loved it from the beginning. Well, almost. > > 1. Electronic Meditation > > The same reasons as most people on who voted for this. But, > > strangely, the music journalists love this... ('Q' > > magazine... 4 stars!!!) > > That is strange yes...I see it mentioned in quite a few > rock and progrock sites. While I also think it's not that > bad, it's not that good either. :-) Haven't heard yet, but I bet that I at least like it. > > 2. Tyranny of Beauty > > Only Catwalk saves this. The rest is simply dire... (Believe me, > > I've tried to like it. I've TRIED! I've played it after not > > doing so for a while thinking I missed something... but WHAT?) > > Bought this album because of the track Quasar...which imo was > the best track on the album. Plus the whole track was made with > the synthesizer Quasar. Nothing much to say. Perhaps its listenable, perhaps not. > > 6. Soundmill Navigator > > Not because it's tangentized, but I for one don't really care for > > the improvisational live pieces which just go on for too > > long. I really think that had I attended the seventies concerts I > > think I probably would have taken up pot... > > Personally I choose the original above this. > In fact I listened to this album twice I think and to the boot > quite a few times more even if the quality is a bit lacking. > I wonder if there is ever going to be another classic release > after this release. Soundmill has that great floating feeling. Good album. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29443 Re: Favourite albums Matthew Stringer Mon 10/8/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Oct 8, 2001 8:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Favourite albums On Monday 08 October 2001 9:10 am, you wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., 'Marcel Engels' wrote: > > > From: gmroger@p... [mailto:gmroger@p...] > > > > > > 1. Tyger > > > Just simply a brilliant album, regardless of who it's by. Forget > > > that it's an album with vocals. Forget even that it's an > > > album by Tangerine Dream. An album that really should have made I don't think the vocals work too well with some of the tracks, Tyger and Smile IMO would be better without them, the arpeggios on tyger are amazing but are lost behind the loud vocals. But London is absolutely wonderful and never fails to send shivers down my spine! But I agree it's a brilliant album! From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Oct 8, 2001 8:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Alpha Centauri >Yeah, AC is still amazing. Altough I would say that somedays I feel >that those sounds in the beginning of 1st and 2nd track are too loud >in the mix Absolutely agree. The first minute of Comas Sola is almost torturing. >and personally I still can't listen the title track, >because it's too Zeit-like (Zeit and Atem aren't my favourite albums >in a long shot). But I love the flute, the slow and simple guitar and >the fast and manic drumming by Chris. > I like this too, but not that much. There are plenty of other good flute stuff by TD, especially Remote Viewing, Cloudburst Flight and Cherokee Lane, but what makes this one a good IMHO is the overwheliming organ sound. The drumming is not bad, but they've never been among my favorite instruments. The guitar sounds rather interesting. Also the choral at the end of the tittle track reminds me of the intro of Rubycon Part 2. >I've heard that the 90's Virgin re-releases are too sharp comparison >to the older releases (lp and cd's from 80's). Not sure if this is >true or not. > >Regards, >TheInfection Now that this topic is up - I've heard many times this album uses even a coffee machine (or is it EM?) but I can't hear where. Does anyone know? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29500 Re: Alpha Centauri rubyconist@y... Thu 10/11/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Oct 8, 2001 10:02 am Subject: short Beranu report Hi all, I am back from the 'Inferno' Show of Tangerine Dream, and I must say it was the other side of Tangerine Dream. The show was 'only' 78 min. long , they played in one go. Boths shows are the same stuff. On stage was: Edgar, Jerome and Ines (Bongos) and 6 singers (they had mask of his face) . Also Ines had a singing part. It was a very good singing part. The played no encores. Visitors on boths show: I think 900 to 1000. Thats are my first impressions of the 'Inferno' . Regards heiko look at my auction page: www.opticaldream.de/dream/Auction2.htm (over 450 visitors in one week and many bids ) only 7 days [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: arne.richter@g... Date: Mon Oct 8, 2001 10:37 am Subject: My Bernau Impressions Hi all, I am coming out of lurker mode - have been reading this group for some time and have gained many good tips and would like to return the favor by giving a summary of last night's concert for those who couldn't be there. Before I start: I have seen TD 4 times before and while I prefer the 70s and early 80s period, I still like some of their newer releases such as DM3, Mars Polaris, and to some degree What A Blast. However, I purposely set my expectations for this concert very low as I didn't like any of their recent attempts at 'classical' music in the recent years. On the other hand I was looking forward to a totally different type of concert and the fact that this was probably the most experimental TD concert one could expect these days. As I only managed to get tickets for the 23:00 show, I drove up the 50 minutes from Berlin to Bernau quite late and got there at 22:30. The church was much bigger than I expected (having been to the 2 space-trance-tronics concerts with Mind~Flux etc., also here in Berlin) and beautifully lit in orange and dark blue. A quick walk around the church revealed a huge diesel-electric generator set up at the back, very impressive, now one can imagine how much electricity they must require inside. Entering the church, one could immediately see that the stage was not covered, but lit in a dark organge glow with some large artificial candles glowing and flickering. It looked quite impressive, almost eerie. The church had about 28 rows and an additional 4 rows of chairs placed in front of the first row, also there was a balcony in the back and along one side. Those with tickets for the middle section had assigned seats, those with balcony or right / left section could sit anywhere within their section on a first-come first serve basis. On the left side was a video projection screen for those seated with an obstructed view to the stage and for projection of closeups. The merchandising booth was a bit disappointing: Dream Mixes 3 and the I-Box at DM 60 were the only CDs on offer, the rest was a DM-3 T- Shirt, a Divine Comedy T-Shirt, a Divine Comedy Poster and the TDI- watch. The most interesting aspect was that the Divine Comedy T-Shirt looked a bit like a CD-Cover, as if we could expect a CD release some day? The church filled up quickly and seemed to be sold out except for some balcony seats with obstructed view. The concert started on time at 23:00 with the band and a choir of 5 people entering the stage and took almost 90 minutes. Well, what did we get? From the visual aspect, an absolutley stunning performance in my opinion. In front of the stage was a huge bowl with a 'sacrificial' fire burning throughout the entire show (someone came on stage every 10 minutes to refuel it). The choir was dressed in some medieval costumes, wearing face-masks as used in italian theatre, feathers etc. Then there were 2 laser systems (green and red) used with incredible effects: The laser light bounced between the many pillars and columns of the church, reflecting off little mirrors and off the walls and literally filled the entire room with shapes, undulating lines and waves, little rotating stars etc. There were 360 degrees rotating spotlights above and behind the band, some used to project moving images on the ceiling (which of course was arched, and so added to the morphing effect of the visuals). On the sides were 4 very intense floodlights with variable color-filters that could light the entire church in orange, purple or pink. I have been to many concerts including the likes of Pink Floyd etc, but I can't say that I have ever seen such an impressive use of lights, laser, fire etc. Very very well done! Now to the music: Well well, what can I say? The whole thing started with a very cheezy intro that immediately made me think I had ended up in a Yanni-concert. But ok, time to look at the visuals, soak up the athmosphere etc. Then the big suprise: Most of the concert was actually with vocals, but not as I expected, from a typicial choir, but from 2 or 3 lead singers who took turns. Some parts were sung in english by a lady with a good voice. In fact, in parts it reminded me of something like TD last did on Tyger, but the singing last night was less recital and more melodical. Then there were parts sung in either latin or some medieval languange, the vocals in these parts reminded me very much of Lisa Gerrard of Dead Can Dance (the music however, didn't). Near the end, another lady presented a catchy tune sung in Spanish. But while the concert luckily didn't continue as schmaltzy as it started, overall there were very few memorable moments. The whole composition sounded like just another Sony Topping- Out Soundtrack, quite acceptable to listen to once but not something one *must* have on CD. Structurally, there was very little sequenced stuff (which was good, imho the non-sequenced parts sounded more appropriate). In fact, while the entrance tickets and posters showed TD with 4 members, I couldn't spot Mr. Gradwool last night and as such, no guitar was heard. So unless I missed something (the stage was actually not very brightly lit) there were only 3 members, Edgar to the left, Jerome to the right and an underemployed Mrs. Bongos in the middle behind the sacrificial fire. Needless to say, the music was not played live, but came either from DAT, HD-playback or whatever. But at least the drumming (what little there was) and the entire vocal part was performed live. Oh, and unlike the last TD concert I've been at, it was not very loud at all, no ringing ears afterwards. So all in all, it was a great one-time event, with non-memorable music, but a spectacular show, and unless I am mistaken the first time in 15 or so years that an entire concert consisted of music not available on record, definietly their most experimental show since playing with the Munich Philharmonic Orchestra in 1982. As a 'light- sound-space performance' (the subtitle of last night's show) it succeeded extremely well and deserves 10 out of 10 points, too bad it was musically not at all what TD were once capable of, but maybe others found it more to their liking. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29452 Bernau j.gordon Tue 10/9/2001 8 KB From: ohmss761@c... Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 3:23 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Alpha Centauri In a message dated 10/8/2001 1:45:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, johnvertical@h... writes: > Now that this topic is up - I've heard many times this album uses even a > coffee machine (or is it EM?) but I can't hear where. Does anyone know? > > John Vertical > > I've heard this too, and hope someone knows. I think it was on this > album(coffee machine). I can never hear the cash register in EM....anyone > know about that, which track? > > Sean [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: ohmss761@c... Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 3:27 am Subject: Slightly OT Oldfield Q I'm a bit new to these groups, but I wanted to know if Mike Oldfield has been discussed recently, and what other TD fans think of his albums. Of course Tubular Bells is a classic, but the one I am curious about is Ommadawn. It sounds promising, along the lines of TD's long single tracks. Reason all this comes up, is that I found Crises and Platnium this weekend for $5 ea. and like bits and pieces of them very well. The mid 70's must have been heavenly...not only did you have great albums by TD, but also classics like the above, Hergest Ridge,Incantations,etc. Wish I had been there! (I was born in '76). NP:Incantations(Oldfield) Heavenly....a classic in my book, although I hear the reissued cd clipped a minute from part 3, and the liner notes are incorrect in parts. Best, Sean [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29464 Re: Slightly OT Oldfield Q John McIntyre Tue 10/9/2001 2 KB 29514 Re: Slightly OT Oldfield Q Miguel Farah F. Sat 10/13/2001 2 KB 29466 Re: Slightly OT Oldfield Q Michael Jean Tue 10/9/2001 2 KB 29478 Re: Slightly OT Oldfield Q BRUCE@F... Wed 10/10/2001 3 KB 29479 OT to Finnish Members of List/Snow Queen Soundtra Deb H-J Wed 10/10/2001 2 KB 29480 Re: Slightly OT Oldfield Q ohmss761@c... Wed 10/10/2001 2 KB 29495 Re: Slightly OT Oldfield Q John McIntyre Wed 10/10/2001 2 KB 29515 Re: Slightly OT Oldfield Q simon heath Sat 10/13/2001 3 KB From: ohmss761@c... Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 3:35 am Subject: Sorcerer and other Ramblings.... As I said in another post, I'm a bit new here, and have been enjoying the posts very much, while compiling questions of my own. Don't care for the concert posts though, since TD will probably not come to CA anytime soon! Or will they..... I wanted to know if anyone knows more about the score TD did for Sorcerer. The liner notes by director William Friedkin have always bothered me...he tells of a 90min. tape that arrived while he was on location, and scored the film from there. This has always been a favorite of mine, although the score is far too underused in the film....the Abyss sequence is edited from 7min. to about 1, the Main Title cut from 5 1/2mins. to about 30secs! And by using the full track, I feel it would have helped a good film even more. So, is there, on some mythical bootleg, another 45mins. of Sorcerer, or was it typical liner note misinformation? I have most of TD's commercial albums, but not one of the bootlegs, so I feel completely in the dark on that topic! If someone could fill me in on what I'm missing, it would be most appreciated. NP:Hyperborea(TD) Classic album, who doesn't love those sequences? Title track is one of their best, although Sphinx Lightening does lose a bit of steam, as someone said here recently. All the best, Sean [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29454 Re: Sorcerer and other Ramblings.... rubyconist@y... Tue 10/9/2001 3 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 4:33 am Subject: More than one 'Heartbreakers'? I'm not a great movie buff (I love film music, but that's a different story) and I happened to be looking through the soundtrack section of a local CD shop and spotted 'Heartbreakers'. The cover was completely different to the TD soundtrack I have and Tangerine Dream was nowhere to be found in the credits. Besides a number of songs, there were two suites at the end of the disc and the composer of those was Danny Elfman (I really like his Pee Wee and Batman scores). There are obviously two movies of the same name and I assume that the one I came across today was somewhat later than the TD-scored one. Anyone know anything about it? I'm playing the TD soundtrack as I write and had forgotten that the music is rather better than I remember from its last playing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29465 Re: More than one 'Heartbreakers'? John McIntyre Tue 10/9/2001 3 KB 29476 Re: More than one 'Heartbreakers'? John Marchington Tue 10/9/2001 3 KB From: ohmss761@c... Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 4:42 am Subject: OT[tadream] More than one 'Heartbreakers'? The Heartbreakers you found was from the recent Sigourney Weaver/Jennifer Love Hewitt film, one which disappeared from theaters very quickly. The score was by John Debney(End of Days, I Know What You Did Last Summer, The Relic), while the themes were composed by Danny Elfman, featured in the 20mins. heard on that disc. The TD Heartbreakers is a great album either way, although some of the pop tracks grate just a bit, I love the romantic side here, something TD should have done(or should do)more of. Somebody should compile and release a romantic ballad disc of their work! Best, Sean [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29462 Re: OT[tadream] More than one 'Heartbreakers'? John Marchington Tue 10/9/2001 3 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 5:08 am Subject: [tadream] Bernau hi, all... arne touched on many of the points, but i'll fill in what i can... my friend an i met up with the before show gang at about 6:30, after a ten-hour train ride and a wander through bernau... it was gray and wet and so my impressions of post-wall DDR were not very bright... however, it was clear that many changes had been in set into affect over the last dozen years... we found our hotel with little problem, just as rainer was getting into a cab... that was the last i saw of him until just before the 23:00 show... anyway, met up with the heiko's and a handful of others... vic rek, i belive, get's the 'coming from the farther' award for his appearence... it was nice to meet some of the list memebers face to face... we all strolled over, de facto en-masse, and were struck simultaneously with the impressions of the eerily lit church and a garrish orange and white ambulance parked out on the side... just in case, i guess... as far as i can tell, it was never used... my friend and i milled about outside, only having tickets for the late show, and me wondering if there was some way to get in to only get merchandise... however, christophe, one of the gang, let me know that there were only i-box, dm3 and t-shirts, so there were no worries of sold out new releases... we walked around the outside some more, watching people go in (and out for some strange reason)... met up with vic again who said they were still selling tickets for the first show, if we wanted to try and get in... turned out to be only tickets for the late show... so we went around to the side 'main' entrace and were just hanging around waiting for the show to start so we could get some idea of how it would sound... we thought we would go back to the hotel, then maybe get something to eat and meet up with h.heersen between shows... however, as we were just standing about, one of the ticket checkers asked us if we were going to come in or not... we told him that we only had tickets to the late show... he asked to see them, said we had good seats, and said it wouldn't be a problem if we just stepped right along to an unassigned section in the back of the church for the first show... we were much obliged and did move ourselves along... what luck! the show: if you were not sitting in seats that were in a direct line with the stage, you really didn't see the show... the pillars were a SERIOUS obstruction to line of sight... td set up a screen on the left side of the church and projected what was on stage onto it, but the lighting used was so dark the projection was practically useless, unless you enjoyed looking at flame shapes... it was a nice thought, but the execution left most of the show to the imagination... however, it was not really a visual show, imho... hmmmmm, now that i say that and think of past TD concerts, maybe i should ammend that: it was a visual show for TD, but for all that, not very visual, except for certain elements: the lighting... sigh... somebody had great ideas... but, once again, the execution was a bit flat... the floods on the sides were a great effect, casting the entire church in washes of color... but there was little rhyme or reason to the color changes or tempos... as a professional lighting design of many years, i was distracted by all the lighting effects (except the fire)... the lasers were, imho, wasted on the entire concert, considering theme and style... but the white projections the cast out were a nice touch, especially on the ceiling... as far as i could tell, there were no mirrors, but lasers set up in front of the stage as well as the back... considering we were listening to inferno, i would have thought a blue or purple wash at the beginning (while we are with virgil) and then a red wash (or orange or yellow) as we decend into hell... sigh... the small torches behind the singers and the sacraficial dish directly in front of ms. bongo was rather cool... the costumes were very nice... e, j, and ms. b dressed in black... what a shame... edgar would have looked smashing in one of those cool feathered masks... the music... definitely a departure from the current norm... most of the concert did have singing... the 'lead' singer (the one who sang the most) was set up behind edgar and had a bright light on her when she sang (going back to the lighting, whenever anybody else sang, there was no spot on them... she must have bribed someone... :)... almost all words, regardless of language, were swallowed up by the mix of artifical and natural reverb... the singing quality was good... the only two languages i heard were english and spanish and a lot of oohing, which, as arnie says, did resemble slightly dead can dance/lisa gerrad (who, voice wise, are the same)... but i guess the light goth feeling of the show helped that out... ms. bongo was the spanish singer... she left the stage at about min. 55 and came back for a 7 to 8 min singing section (which she did very well with) dressed in sack cloth, or it's visual equivalent, and sang to the other singers, bowing and asking forgivness, it seemed, while the other singers raised their canes (which had little blue lights on the top of them) in benedicition or banishment, depending on your interpretation of what was happening at that point... my dante is rusty... however, with the execption of 30 secs of dissonance, the music was decidedly not banishment music... the mix was mushy... so much reverb... it really washed away and tonal definition... ms. bongo played away on her namesake in certain sections and the rainstick in others... she was underemployed for most of the show, and the choice of bongos didn't interfere with the music, though neither, imho, did it really contribute... they used a sequence that sounded right out of miracle mile at one point... the english sections made me think of the song dreamline with sun gate underscoring... the other main singer stood behind jerome and oohed through her parts... nice voice... the third main singer stood in the middle and wore a nefertiti type hat... the music was mild... one section had a 'jerome' style drum section, but it was so toned down, it sounded like a normal drum sequence... in general, the music was good, if you like their current, more mellow sound... if you are into the what a blast/dm 3 sound, this is not the bootleg for you to get... i do believe there is a bootleg in the works, Dante's Dream... for more info, please contact me off-list... all in all, a fairly pleasent concert... but not worth what the final tally was to get there... unless TD came to my backyard, i don't think i'd go again, at least with their current styles and line up... i'm sure some of the die-hards can fill in more musical aspects, as well as other impressions... till later... j __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 5:29 am Subject: A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work On Tue, 9 Oct 2001 00:42:53 EDT ohmss761@c... writes: >The TD Heartbreakers is a great album either way, although >some of the pop tracks grate just a bit, I love the romantic >side here, something TD should have done (or should do) more >of. Somebody should compile and release a romantic ballad >disc of their work! Wow! Talk about synchronicity! I just made one -- for a transsexual woman I am trying to woo -- last night! Here's the track listing: Selection of Romantic Songs, 1981-1996, by Tangerine Dream [Total time of 79:51] 1. Exit [Exit, 1981] 5:38 2. Daydream [45 single, 1982: A-side] 4:34 3. Moorland [45 single, 1982: B-side] 3:53 4. Voices from a Common Land [The Keep soundtrack, 1984] 4:06 5. Love Theme [The Park is Mine soundtrack, 1984] 3:34 6. Crystal Voice [Firestarter soundtrack, 1984] 3:14 7. Charly the Kid [Firestarter soundtrack, 1984] 3:58 8. Cottage [Legend soundtrack, 1985] 3:22 9. Heartbreakers [Heartbreakers soundtrack, 1986] 2:34 10. Footbridge to Heaven [Heartbreakers soundtrack, 1986] 3:00 11. Rain in N.Y. City [Heartbreakers soundtrack, 1986] 3:26 12. Desire [Heartbreakers soundtrack, 1986] 5:38 13. Mothers of Rain [Optical Race, 1988] 5:14 14. News and Morality [The Man Inside soundtrack, 1991] 4:41 15. Touchwood [Rockoon, 1992] 4:27 16. Story of the Brave [Turn of the Tides bonus track, 1994] 5:18 17. Change of the Gods [The Dream Mixes, 1995] 7:19 18. The Conspiracy [Zoning soundtrack, 1996] 5:55 That's right, no 'Cool at Heart.' I wanted tracks that were romantic, not smarmy. ;) >Best, >Sean Steven Feldman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TransRomance listowner http://thekeep.0catch.com/titmouse.htm Stephie-mouse! http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29455 Re: A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work John Vertical Tue 10/9/2001 3 KB 29456 Re: A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work Matthew Stringer Tue 10/9/2001 2 KB 29458 Re: A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work scfeldman@j... Tue 10/9/2001 3 KB 29459 Re: A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work scfeldman@j... Tue 10/9/2001 2 KB 29460 Re: A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work Matthew Stringer Tue 10/9/2001 2 KB From: rubyconist@y... Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 5:35 am Subject: Re: Sorcerer and other Ramblings.... --- In tadream@y..., ohmss761@c... wrote: > I wanted to know if anyone knows more about the score TD did for Sorcerer. > The liner notes by director William Friedkin have always bothered me...he > tells of a 90min. tape that arrived while he was on location, and scored the > film from there. This has always been a favorite of mine, although the score > is far too underused in the film....the Abyss sequence is edited from 7min. > to about 1, the Main Title cut from 5 1/2mins. to about 30secs! And by using > the full track, I feel it would have helped a good film even more. > > So, is there, on some mythical bootleg, another 45mins. of Sorcerer, or was > it typical liner note misinformation? I have most of TD's commercial albums, > but not one of the bootlegs, so I feel completely in the dark on that topic! > If someone could fill me in on what I'm missing, it would be most appreciated. I think I asked this same question here not too long ago. Some said that they have no info about this. Some said that Edgar has the tapes, but when rest of the music is puplished, it's probably highly Tangentized. Regards, TheInfection From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 7:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work > Wow! Talk about synchronicity! I just made one -- for >a transsexual woman I am trying to woo -- last night! Here's >the track listing: > >Selection of Romantic Songs, 1981-1996, by Tangerine Dream >[Total time of 79:51] > > 1. Exit [Exit, 1981] 5:38 > 2. Daydream [45 single, 1982: A-side] 4:34 > 3. Moorland [45 single, 1982: B-side] 3:53 > 4. Voices from a Common Land [The Keep soundtrack, 1984] 4:06 > 5. Love Theme [The Park is Mine soundtrack, 1984] 3:34 > 6. Crystal Voice [Firestarter soundtrack, 1984] 3:14 > 7. Charly the Kid [Firestarter soundtrack, 1984] 3:58 > 8. Cottage [Legend soundtrack, 1985] 3:22 > 9. Heartbreakers [Heartbreakers soundtrack, 1986] 2:34 > 10. Footbridge to Heaven [Heartbreakers soundtrack, 1986] 3:00 > 11. Rain in N.Y. City [Heartbreakers soundtrack, 1986] 3:26 > 12. Desire [Heartbreakers soundtrack, 1986] 5:38 > 13. Mothers of Rain [Optical Race, 1988] 5:14 > 14. News and Morality [The Man Inside soundtrack, 1991] 4:41 > 15. Touchwood [Rockoon, 1992] 4:27 > 16. Story of the Brave [Turn of the Tides bonus track, 1994] 5:18 > 17. Change of the Gods [The Dream Mixes, 1995] 7:19 > 18. The Conspiracy [Zoning soundtrack, 1996] 5:55 > > That's right, no 'Cool at Heart.' I wanted tracks that were >romantic, not smarmy. ;) > > >Best, > >Sean > I haven't heard most of those - but just what is 'Exit' doing there? I consider it very dark... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29456 Re: A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work Matthew Stringer Tue 10/9/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 8:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work On Tuesday 09 October 2001 8:34 am, you wrote: > > Wow! Talk about synchronicity! I just made one -- for > >a transsexual woman I am trying to woo -- last night! Here's > >the track listing: > > > >Selection of Romantic Songs, 1981-1996, by Tangerine Dream > >[Total time of 79:51] I don't think that TD's music has ever been particularly romantic, I would have said that Vangelis is more in that sort of field. Matt From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 8:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Slightly OT Oldfield Hi Sean, I, like many will agree that the 'Tubular Bells' track is a classic! I seem to prefer the shorter version on the Pure Moods series over the 'Tubular Bells I' versions for _some_ reason. Tubular Bells is one of many tracks that I will use to introduce friends to 'my ' instrumental music. Recently I listened to Michael Oldfield's 'Tubular Bells III and after listening to it several times I walked away feeling my money justified, worthy of recording seven of the eleven tracks for my own personal use. Michael Oldfield's sister happen to sing on it too. I also recently heard and liked his brother's [Terry Oldfield's] music too. A bit new ageish, but nice IMO. Also, I recently met someone that I wanted to share 'my' music with, by introducing them to TD [Among others]. The following tracks is what I came up with for an introduction. Noticeably 90's stuff! 8-\ 8-) Perhaps more digestible and assimilating for beginners 8-\ 8-) Melrose - Too Hot For My Chinchilla Electric Lion Dolls In The Shadow Roaring Of The Bliss Canyon Carver Flashflood Treasure Of Innocence Touchwood Firetongues Comet's Figure Head Spiral Star Date Astrophobia Currently playing U2's 'It's A Beautiful Day' single on repeat. 8-\ 8-) Overall thumbs up for Dream Mixes three. BTW, Thanks for the wonderful review too, Roger 8-) --- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 9:27 PM Subject: [tadream] Slightly OT Oldfield Q > I'm a bit new to these groups, but I wanted to know if Mike Oldfield has been > discussed recently, and what other TD fans think of his albums. > Of course Tubular Bells is a classic, but the one I am curious about is > Ommadawn. It sounds promising, along the lines of TD's long single tracks. > Reason all this comes up, is that I found Crises and Platnium this weekend > for $5 ea. and like bits and pieces of them very well. The mid 70's must have > been heavenly...not only did you have great albums by TD, but also classics > like the above, Hergest Ridge,Incantations,etc. Wish I had been there! (I was > born in '76). > > NP:Incantations(Oldfield) Heavenly....a classic in my book, although I hear > the reissued cd clipped a minute from part 3, and the liner notes are > incorrect in parts. > > Best, > Sean > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 8:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work On Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:34:37 +0300 'John Vertical' writes: >I haven't heard most of those -- but just what is 'Exit' >doing there? I consider it very dark... Well, it is, but it is also highly evocative and even romantic in a downbeat, gloomy way. I feel that this track recalls rainy days and interior dialogues of a deep and recriminating sort, and as such is highly contemplative and reminiscent of the sort of heartfelt angst encountered in and around both fledgling and troubled romances. > 3. Moorland [45 single, 1982: B-side] 3:53 And Moorland is a fairly dark tune, too, if you ask me. >John Vertical -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 8:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work On Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:25:44 +0100 Matthew Stringer writes: > I don't think that TD's music has ever been particularly romantic, > I would have said that Vangelis is more in that sort of field. Errr, have you ever heard the FIRESTARTER, LE PARC, HEARTBREAKERS and/or FLASHPOINT albums? > Matt Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29460 Re: A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work Matthew Stringer Tue 10/9/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 8:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work On Tuesday 09 October 2001 9:34 am, you wrote: > On Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:25:44 +0100 Matthew Stringer > > writes: > > I don't think that TD's music has ever been particularly romantic, > > I would have said that Vangelis is more in that sort of field. > > Errr, have you ever heard the FIRESTARTER, LE PARC, > HEARTBREAKERS and/or FLASHPOINT albums? Ofcourse, I have them all. I still stand by my opinion. Sorry > > > Matt > > Steven Feldman > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 9:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Slightly OT Oldfield >Hi Sean, > I, like many will agree that the 'Tubular Bells' track is a classic! >I >seem to prefer the shorter version on the Pure Moods series over the >'Tubular Bells I' versions for _some_ reason. Tubular Bells is one of many >tracks >that I will use to introduce friends to 'my ' instrumental music. >Recently >I listened to Michael Oldfield's 'Tubular >Bells III and after listening to it several times I walked away feeling my >money justified, worthy of recording seven of the eleven tracks for my own >personal use. Michael Oldfield's sister happen to sing on it too. I also >recently heard and liked his brother's [Terry Oldfield's] music too. A bit >new ageish, but nice IMO. > The only two Oldfield albums I've heard were Tubular Bells, which quite didn't impress me, and Mathematican's Air Display. That's probably not the most known Oldfield album, so perhaps I should clarify a bit. It was a collaboration with Pekka Pohjola, the bassist of Wigman and my 2nd favorite artist. It was recorded in 76 I think. It is however pretty far from the TD music, despite being instrumental. It's some cross between progressive rock and jazz, like most music by Pohjola. > >Also, I recently met someone that I wanted to share 'my' music with, by >introducing them to TD [Among others]. The following tracks is what I came >up with for an introduction. Noticeably 90's stuff! 8-\ 8-) Perhaps >more digestible and assimilating for beginners 8-\ 8-) Indeed pretty 90-centered. I invented a short winter themed 80s sampler a while back. I got the idea from All Music Gude describing the music of TD, among other adjectives, as 'wintry'. I also invented disguised track names. Haven't had anyone to give that to so far... Glittering Dawn (Barbakane Part 1) Clearer Skies (White Eagle) Crystal Palace (last 6 minutes of Force Majeure) Aurora Dance (2nd half of Kiew Mission) Smoothly Snowing (Hyperborea) Dimming Light (Remote Viewing) Blizzard (2nd half of Poland) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 10:09 am Subject: Re: OT[tadream] More than one 'Heartbreakers'? Hi Sean. Thanks for answering the question for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 5:42 PM Subject: OT[tadream] More than one 'Heartbreakers'? > The Heartbreakers you found was from the recent Sigourney Weaver/Jennifer > Love Hewitt film, one which disappeared from theaters very quickly. The score > was by John Debney(End of Days, I Know What You Did Last Summer, The Relic), > while the themes were composed by Danny Elfman, featured in the 20mins. heard > on that disc. > > The TD Heartbreakers is a great album either way, although some of the pop > tracks grate just a bit, I love the romantic side here, something TD should > have done(or should do)more of. Somebody should compile and release a > romantic ballad disc of their work! > > Best, > Sean > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 12:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anagrams & A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work > >I haven't heard most of those -- but just what is 'Exit' > >doing there? I consider it very dark... > > Well, it is, but it is also highly evocative and even >romantic in a downbeat, gloomy way. I feel that this track >recalls rainy days and interior dialogues of a deep and >recriminating sort, and as such is highly contemplative and >reminiscent of the sort of heartfelt angst encountered in >and around both fledgling and troubled romances. > I think I understand. Maybe. > > 3. Moorland [45 single, 1982: B-side] 3:53 > > And Moorland is a fairly dark tune, too, if you ask >me. > > >John Vertical > > -- Steven Feldman >------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ >TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | >------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ > Hey, here are a few more good ones I made with a free online anagrammator: Meandering rate Get married, Anne! Manage trendier Endgame terrain Greater Mead Inn Teamed-in ranger Named, err, eating Green-armed Tina John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: John McIntyre Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 12:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Slightly OT Oldfield Q ohmss761@c... wrote: > I'm a bit new to these groups, but I wanted to know if Mike Oldfield has been > discussed recently, and what other TD fans think of his albums. > Of course Tubular Bells is a classic, but the one I am curious about is > Ommadawn. It sounds promising, along the lines of TD's long single tracks. Ommadawn is classic. If you like Oldfield, I cannot imagine you not absolutely loving Ommadawn. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29514 Re: Slightly OT Oldfield Q Miguel Farah F. Sat 10/13/2001 2 KB From: John McIntyre Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] More than one 'Heartbreakers'? John Marchington wrote: > I'm not a great movie buff (I love film music, but that's a different story) and I happened to be looking through the soundtrack section of a local CD shop and spotted 'Heartbreakers'. The cover was completely different to the TD soundtrack I have and Tangerine Dream was nowhere to be found in the credits. Besides a number of songs, there were two suites at the end of the disc and the composer of those was Danny Elfman (I really like his Pee Wee and Batman scores). > > There are obviously two movies of the same name and I assume that the one I came across today was somewhat later than the TD-scored one. Anyone know anything about it? According to the Internet Movie Database (www.imdb.com), there are three movies called Heartbreakers: the recent Sigourney Weaver one with the Danny Elfman music, the 1984 film with the Tangerine Dream soundtrack, and a 1983 German movie with music by Lothar Meid, one time bass player for Amon Duul II. Damn, now I gotta track that German flick down. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Slightly OT Oldfield Q He isn;t discussed here very often, but I think you can count many of us among his fans... I just wish he would move past all these Tubular Bells CDs...I heard there is a new Best of Tubular Bells now! Lordy... Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu >>> ohmss761@c... 10/08/01 11:27PM >>> I'm a bit new to these groups, but I wanted to know if Mike Oldfield has been discussed recently, and what other TD fans think of his albums [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 2:14 pm Subject: The Gathering in Philly A couple weeks ago I indicated I planned to attend and I know some other folks have been considering it... Who else is still going and wants to try to meet up for dinner before the show? Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29475 Re: The Gathering in Philly Vince LeGrand Tue 10/9/2001 3 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 4:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anagrams Ah, I'm glad that the topic of TD Anagrams has been raised again. I first posted my master list of good ones back in 1998. For those who weren't on the list back then, here they are: TANGERINE DREAM A German I'd Enter I'm a Green Rent Ad Arid German Teen I Rant and Emerge Enter Amid Anger Rain, Tree and Gem Nag and Retire Me Mir and Green Tea Green Men at Raid Red Martian Gene Mad Art Engineer Arrange End Time Tired Reagan Men An Ardent Regime Mean Triad Genre Tree Name in Drag Neater Midrange Garner Dementia Remainder Agent I Eat Gardner Men Regret Mann Idea Rent German Idea Edgar Retina Men Inner Edgar meat Edgar Men Earn It Die Arrangement Dire, Neat German I am a Nerd Regent I'm a Red-Green Ant I'm an Eager Trend Enrage Tired Man Retarding Enema Also, some anagrams for TD Album Titles: ELECTRONIC MEDITATION Elicited trance motion Narcotic deletion time ALPHA CENTAURI Punch tail area Anal chute pair ATEM Tame Meat GREEN DESERT Greed Enters Regret needs PHAEDRA Raped! Ha! Hard ape RUBYCON Bony cur Buy corn STRATOSFEAR Re: fat ass rot Treat for ass FORCE MAJEURE Major cure fee HYPERBOREA Yea, pro herb Rape by hero OPTICAL RACE Epic oral act Placate Rico MELROSE Me loser TURN OF THE TIDES Found three tits Den of utter shit TYRANNY OF BEAUTY Aryan byte fun toy Annoy fatty buyer GOBLIN'S CLUB Cull Gibbons TRANSSIBERIA Sinister Arab Rabies Strain DREAM DICE Cram Eddie Dear Medic SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET Most Terrible Fest Event -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29477 Re: Anagrams Deb H-J Tue 10/9/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 4:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anagrams > TURN OF THE TIDES > > Den of utter shit LOL!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29470 Re: Anagrams Nick Adams Tue 10/9/2001 2 KB 29471 Re: Anagrams Michael Jean Tue 10/9/2001 2 KB 29472 Re: Anagrams Lasse Gustafsson Tue 10/9/2001 4 KB 29482 Re: Anagrams John Vertical Wed 10/10/2001 2 KB 29498 Re: Anagrams gmroger@p... Wed 10/10/2001 2 KB From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anagrams > TURN OF THE TIDES > Den of utter shit That still makes me laugh my arse off!! sums that album up pretty well IMO ..... Nick NP Peter Mergener / Live Klemdag 92 Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... ICQ 44174543 From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 4:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anagrams I liked the cover of the CD! >>> heiko.heerssen@h... 10/09/01 12:56PM >>> > TURN OF THE TIDES > > Den of utter shit LOL!! ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? 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ID Date Size 29472 Re: Anagrams Lasse Gustafsson Tue 10/9/2001 4 KB From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anagrams Well; if You Guys fly high enough, you can play with this: http://ag.arrak.fi/index_en.html There is an opportunity to find hidden meanings and satanic verses from any album names... transceives as transceive ass variances tess variances sets vertices nasas viscera sanest viscera assent varices sanest varices assent caressive tans caressive stan caressive sant caressive ants services satan services santa canvassers tie canvasser ties canvasser site canvaser sites stavesacre sin stavesacre ins scarves tisane crevasse stain crevasse satin crevasse saint craves tansies craves sestina carves tansies carves sestina ravines castes assertive scan assertive cans varies stances varies secants sievers sancta revises sancta tavern ascesis ravens cassite ravens ascites verna cassites raven cassites starves incase starves casein versa scanties saver scanties raves scanties avers scanties verses satanic severs satanic serves satanic scenarist vase scenarist save scantier vases scantier saves canisters vase canisters save canister vases canister saves raciness vesta raciness stave increases vats increases vast cesarian vests canaries vests arsenic staves arcsine staves steric vanessa sarcenet visas ancestress via caserne vistas recasts navies crassest naive casters navies actresses vain actresses ivan actress navies scares natives creases istvan caress natives caesar invests cress sanative artiness caves sirens vacates sirens caveats rinses vacates rinses caveats resins vacates resins caveats assister vance tries canvases tires canvases tiers canvases rites canvases tire canvasses tier canvasses rite canvasses stearns cavies snares actives tears caviness stare caviness rates caviness aster caviness sears vesicant resses vatican travis senesac vassar entices sacristan eves artisans sevec tsar ascensive tars ascensive star ascensive rats ascensive arts ascensive -- +----------------------------------------------------------+ ! Lasse Gustafsson ! ! +----------------------------+ Tektor Oy ! ! lasse.gustafsson@t... ! Rälssintie 12 ! ! Tel. +358 (0)9 350 8170 ! FIN-00720 HELSINKI, Finland ! ! Fax. +358 (0)9 350 81740 ! http://www.tektor.fi/ ! +----------------------------------------------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Scott' Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 7:44 pm Subject: Re: Faves/least faves >Flashpoint On the whole, not very inspiring, bur 'Going West' has got to be one of their finest moments for me. That's a track I always crank. Scott From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 8:19 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Anagrams & A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work >> And Moorland is a fairly dark tune, too, if you ask me. >> >> John Vertical Probably because it was used on the original 'Keep' album...music for a horror movie. Come to think of it, as everyone seems to be discussing Mike Oldfield at the moment, so was Tubular Bells (the Exorcist) which TD almost did the music for (I knew there was a link there somewhere, albeit tenuous). > Wow! Talk about synchronicity! I just made one -- for > a transsexual woman I am trying to woo -- last night! Oh God, now I've seen it all. Get a life. one minute it's Mike Oldfield and now sexual preferences. Plus the fact that there's plenty of more romantic music out there than TD, I'd never try to get anyone mushy with their music. Barry White usually does the trick (not my own taste I hasten to add), TD is for keeping in the closet (oops, perhaps that's what Steve wants to do, come out of it...) This list is getting dangerously close to a free for all, time for our favourite list moderator to step in I think... Paul > > Selection of Romantic Songs, 1981-1996, by Tangerine Dream > [Total time of 79:51] > > 1. Exit [Exit, 1981] 5:38 > 2. Daydream [45 single, 1982: A-side] 4:34 > 3. Moorland [45 single, 1982: B-side] 3:53 > 4. Voices from a Common Land [The Keep soundtrack, 1984] 4:06 > 5. Love Theme [The Park is Mine soundtrack, 1984] 3:34 > 6. Crystal Voice [Firestarter soundtrack, 1984] 3:14 > 7. Charly the Kid [Firestarter soundtrack, 1984] 3:58 > 8. Cottage [Legend soundtrack, 1985] 3:22 > 9. Heartbreakers [Heartbreakers soundtrack, 1986] 2:34 > 10. Footbridge to Heaven [Heartbreakers soundtrack, 1986] 3:00 > 11. Rain in N.Y. City [Heartbreakers soundtrack, 1986] 3:26 > 12. Desire [Heartbreakers soundtrack, 1986] 5:38 > 13. Mothers of Rain [Optical Race, 1988] 5:14 > 14. News and Morality [The Man Inside soundtrack, 1991] 4:41 > 15. Touchwood [Rockoon, 1992] 4:27 > 16. Story of the Brave [Turn of the Tides bonus track, 1994] 5:18 > 17. Change of the Gods [The Dream Mixes, 1995] 7:19 > 18. The Conspiracy [Zoning soundtrack, 1996] 5:55 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29491 Re: Re : [tadream] Anagrams & A Romantic Ballad D Matthew Stringer Wed 10/10/2001 2 KB From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 9:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Gathering in Philly >From: Michael Jean >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Date: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:16 AM >Subject: [tadream] The Gathering in Philly > >A couple weeks ago I indicated I planned to attend and I know some other folks have been considering it... Who else is still going and wants to try to meet up for dinner before the show? > Michael, I think quite a few list members will be attending (who knows this show may break the Gatherings attendance record?). I'll be there with my wife and two of my kids. Don't expect to get there until shortly before showtime. Just look for the 'old guy' with wife and 2 teen-agers and say Hi. Vince From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 11:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] More than one 'Heartbreakers'? Thanks for that info. Looks as if I might have opened a can of worms! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John McIntyre' To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] More than one 'Heartbreakers'? > John Marchington wrote: > > > I'm not a great movie buff (I love film music, but that's a different story) and I happened to be looking through the soundtrack section of a local CD shop and spotted 'Heartbreakers'. The cover was completely different to the TD soundtrack I have and Tangerine Dream was nowhere to be found in the credits. Besides a number of songs, there were two suites at the end of the disc and the composer of those was Danny Elfman (I really like his Pee Wee and Batman scores). > > > > There are obviously two movies of the same name and I assume that the one I came across today was somewhat later than the TD-scored one. Anyone know anything about it? > > According to the Internet Movie Database (www.imdb.com), there are three movies called Heartbreakers: the recent Sigourney Weaver one with the Danny Elfman music, the 1984 film with the Tangerine Dream soundtrack, and a 1983 German movie with music by Lothar Meid, one time bass player for Amon Duul II. Damn, now I gotta track that German flick down. > > John McIntyre > Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept > Michigan State University > mcintyre@p... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Deb H-J Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 11:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anagrams Sean: Thanks for running this again. It's the best laugh I've had in a long time! Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: BRUCE@F... Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 12:12 am Subject: Re: Slightly OT Oldfield Q --- In tadream@y..., ohmss761@c... wrote: > I'm a bit new to these groups, but I wanted to know if Mike Oldfield has been > discussed recently, and what other TD fans think of his albums. > Of course Tubular Bells is a classic, but the one I am curious about is > Ommadawn. It sounds promising, along the lines of TD's long single tracks. > Reason all this comes up, is that I found Crises and Platnium this weekend > for $5 ea. and like bits and pieces of them very well. The mid 70's must have > been heavenly...not only did you have great albums by TD, but also classics > like the above, Hergest Ridge,Incantations,etc. Wish I had been there! (I was > born in '76). > > NP:Incantations(Oldfield) Heavenly....a classic in my book, although I hear > the reissued cd clipped a minute from part 3, and the liner notes are > incorrect in parts. > > Best, > Sean > The ones to get by MO are TB, Ommadawn, Hergest Ridge (very mellow), Incantations and OTB which is very underrated. Exposed is okay but I wasn't impressed with Platinum. I know the feeling. I was born in 74. OTOH you won't have bought it all on vinyl and then replaced it with a cd when it sounds like there was someone in the studio frying bacon. TD are better and more consistent at doing conventional length tracks than Mike Oldfield is but I still prefer it when TD limit themselves to no more than 2 tracks per album 'side'. p.s. anyone got the 'ambient' boxset with 'Aqua', 'Timewind' and 'Blackouts? What do you think of those albums? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29479 OT to Finnish Members of List/Snow Queen Soundtra Deb H-J Wed 10/10/2001 2 KB From: Deb H-J Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 1:09 am Subject: OT to Finnish Members of List/Snow Queen Soundtrack My sister is looking for a complete copy of Jukka Linkola's soundtrack to a film called 'The Snow Queen.' It was published by Finlandia Records in 1887, and three pieces appear on a BMG CD called 'Northern Lights' Music of Contemplation for a New Age.' As far as either of us have been able to find out, the complete soundtrack is no longer available. If any of you could steer me in the right direction, I would appreciate it! Cheers, Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: ohmss761@c... Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 2:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Slightly OT Oldfield Q Thanks for the discussion about Oldfield(I'm all over Ommadawn now, can't wait to get one), TD's Romantic pieces(I think they have done some great work in that vein, and would add Purple Nightfall-Canyon Dreams and Nightfall-Shy People to the list) and anagrams. I will now be known from herein as Green Armed Tina ;-D (Sean) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: ohmss761@c... Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 2:28 am Subject: [tadream] Anagrams,Romance,The Keep and The Exorcist In a message dated 10/9/2001 1:32:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pfellows@c... writes: > RE:Moorland > Probably because it was used on the original 'Keep' album...music for a > horror movie. Come to think of it, as everyone seems to be discussing Mike > Oldfield at the moment, so was Tubular Bells (the Exorcist) which TD almost > did the music for (I knew there was a link there somewhere, albeit tenuous). > > I haven't heard the track Moorland(is it available on disc anywhere? Sounds like a new one to me!), but since the original Keep album has come up, I feel I must ask....has anyone been able to truly confirm the existance of an LP at the time of the film for The Keep? Does anyone actually own it? Probably been beaten to death, but I had to ask. TD would have scored The Exorcist...had Friedkin heard their music first. He caught them in concert during the Munich premiere of that film. I always figured they would have done something along the lines of ZEIT for that film, but oh well....besides few films have such a turbulent musical history as the Exorcist. Bernard Herrmann(Psycho,Citizen Kane) was first approached about scoring it, but balked at Friedkin's attitude. Besides he wanted to write a grandiose score for cathedral organ and orchestra. Next, Lalo Schifrin(Bullitt,Cool Hand Luke,Mission:Impossible) wrote a score for the film, which was literally tossed from the studio, due to poor communication, again on the director's part. It was a real score, instead of empty sound design, which is what the film ended up being scored with. That and about 90 secs. of Tubular Bells ;-9 Hope this isn't too boring, or that far OT.....just wanted to share for whoever would be interested! NP:Heavy Metal(Elmer Bernstein) Green Armed Tina(aka Sean) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Oct 9, 2001 9:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anagrams >Well; if You Guys fly high enough, you can play with this: > >http://ag.arrak.fi/index_en.html > Hey, that's exactly what I used too. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 4:52 am Subject: Re A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work On Tue, 09 Oct 2001 22:19:40 +0200 'Paul Fellows' writes: >>> And Moorland is a fairly dark tune, too, if you ask me. >>> >>> John Vertical > >Probably because it was used on the original 'Keep' >album...music for a horror movie. Yeah, well, it was *adapted* for THE KEEP *after* being composed for the TATORT TV show, which was a detective program, not a horror show. >Come to think of it, as everyone seems to be >discussing Mike Oldfield at the moment, Not me. I have other things to do with my time. >> Wow! Talk about synchronicity! I just made one -- >>for a transsexual woman I am trying to woo -- last night! > >Oh God, now I've seen it all. Get a life. I have one. Besides, I am fixated on other things than just Tangerine Dream. (For example, my kung fu movies site is three times as big as my THE KEEP and e-music sites). How about you? ;) Also, one of the most important figures, in e-music, Wendy Carlos, is transsexual, as is one of the key figures responsible for computer chip design and the internet: Lynn Conway. Take a look at the informative web page at http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/LynnsStory.html for details. Play Tangerine Dream music in the background if you start to have withdrawal symptoms while you read the jaw-dropping information at this site. It could very well change the way you look at the world. >one minute it's Mike Oldfield and now sexual preferences. Yeah, jeepers, what's next? Bin Laden, maybe? Besides, the term Sexual Preference is inaccurate and passe: it's been replaced with Sexual Orientation -- since it is not a preference insofar as one cannot change it. And furthermore, my attraction to transsexuals and other transgender folks is moreso an issue of gender than sex. I am androgyne. For an explanation -- if you can tear yourself away from your Tangerine Dream monomania -- check out my http://androgyne.0catch.com site. >Plus the fact that there's plenty of more romantic music >out there than TD, I'd never try to get anyone mushy with >their music. I would. I still think that the HEARTBREAKERS soundtrack is plenty romantic. >[. . .] TD is for keeping in the closet (oops, perhaps >that's what Steve wants to do, come out of it...) I did that here months ago. I am bisexual and bigendered (aka androgyne, meaning I have the gender identity of both a man and a woman). >This list is getting dangerously close to a free for all, >time for our favourite list moderator to step in I think... Oh bullshit, my post was 95% on-topic. Much more than yours was, in fact. > Paul Steven sometimes, Stephanie sometimes -- always Me http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TransRomance listowner http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29499 Re: Re A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work Hilary Wright Wed 10/10/2001 5 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 5:07 am Subject: Re The Keep On Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:28:37 EDT ohmss761@c... writes: >I haven't heard the track Moorland (is it available on disc >anywhere? Sounds like a new one to me!), It was the B-side of the 'Daydream' 45 in 1982, which came from the German detective TV show, TATORT. It was on Disc Two of the 6-CD bootlet set, ELECTRONIC ORGY. >but since the original Keep album has come up, I feel I >must ask....has anyone been able to truly confirm the >existance of an LP at the time of the film for The Keep? I held it my hand the week of its issue but didn't have the money to buy it that day, and the one copy at the store I saw it at sold before I could buy it. For more info re this, go to http://members.spree.com/molasar >Does anyone actually own it? Yeah, but nobody online and nobody who's a hardcore TD geek -- unless they're holding out on the rest of us. >Probably been beaten to death, but I had to ask. It's been the source of several flamewars and official censure from TDI (they took down their site's 'guest book' (bulletin board) for a few days because of it once), and that's one of the reasons I created my KEEP website. >Green Armed Tina(aka Sean) -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | | 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29485 Re: Re The Keep ohmss761@c... Wed 10/10/2001 2 KB 29486 Re: Re The Keep John Vertical Wed 10/10/2001 2 KB 29487 Re: Re The Keep rubyconist@y... Wed 10/10/2001 2 KB 29488 Re: Re The Keep scfeldman@j... Wed 10/10/2001 2 KB From: ohmss761@c... Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 5:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re The Keep Hi Steve, Thank you for the info about the Keep, Ill check out your site. I hope I haven't started any problems, forgive me if I have! I thought your list of romantic tunes was very good, and at the risk of playing the Polyanna(can't we get along!?!) of this group, I'm out. Peace und Luv, Sean - Green Armed Tina:) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 7:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re The Keep > >I haven't heard the track Moorland (is it available on disc > >anywhere? Sounds like a new one to me!), > > It was the B-side of the 'Daydream' 45 in 1982, which >came from the German detective TV show, TATORT. It was on >Disc Two of the 6-CD bootlet set, ELECTRONIC ORGY. > What about Antique Dreams? It's probably not in its original form, but anyway... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29487 Re: Re The Keep rubyconist@y... Wed 10/10/2001 2 KB From: rubyconist@y... Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 7:37 am Subject: Re: Re The Keep --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > > >I haven't heard the track Moorland (is it available on disc > > >anywhere? Sounds like a new one to me!), > > > > It was the B-side of the 'Daydream' 45 in 1982, which > >came from the German detective TV show, TATORT. It was on > >Disc Two of the 6-CD bootlet set, ELECTRONIC ORGY. > > > > > What about Antique Dreams? It's probably not in its original form, but > anyway... > > John Vertical I think it is original. And even if it isn't, it's still great. Regards, TheInfection From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 7:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re The Keep On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:17:04 EDT ohmss761@c... writes: >Hi Steve, > >Thank you for the info about the Keep, Ill check out your >site. I hope I haven't started any problems, forgive me >if I have! No; no problems. Another worthwhile KEEP-related URL to check out is http://www.rutka.de/td/keep.htm >I thought your list of romantic tunes was very good, Thanks. Two tracks which I sort of regret not having made the cut are 'Tiergarten (LE PARC) and 'Scuba Scuba' (UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT). The former, however, doesn't have enough synth, while the latter is too ephemeral for anyone but the most seasoned TD fans, if you ask me. >and at the risk of playing the Polyanna(can't we get along!?!) of this group, I'm out. I'll have to pursue this in personal e-mail. ;) >Peace und Luv, >Sean - Green Armed Tina:) Stephie-mouse http://thekeep.0catch.com/titmouse.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 7:44 am Subject: Re ANTIQUE DREAMS version of 'Moorland' On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:37:01 -0000 rubyconist@y... writes: >>What about Antique Dreams? It's probably not in its >>original form, but anyway... >> >>John Vertical > >I think it is original. And even if it isn't, it's still >great. It's good, but it's TANGENT-ized. >Regards, > TheInfection -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - When you try to snort a book up your nose instead of actually reading it, you get a mess like Mann's 'The Keep.' -- F. Paul Wilson, April 29, 1999 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Roger Helliwell Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 7:52 am Subject: Three O'Clock High Greetings all First off it's good to be on-board the list. I've been a TD fan for many years, but only signed up here a few days ago. Seems like a great place to mingle and pick each others brains... Speaking of which... Does anybody have an accurate track listing for Three O'Clock High? I thought I had the complete version. But recently I noticed 5 or 6 extra tracks that aren't on mine. (I have 15 tracks.) Someone was mentioning that there are multiple versions of the Heartbreakers Soundtrack. Maybe the same situation here? BTW, its not one of my favourites, I just like the 'Risky-Business'like sound to it. Roger Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29492 Re: Three O'Clock High Utch Entel Wed 10/10/2001 3 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 8:16 am Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] Anagrams & A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work > This list is getting dangerously close to a free for all, time for our > favourite list moderator to step in I think... > > Paul > A bit harsh there dude! Matt From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 9:03 am Subject: Re: Three O'Clock High Hi, Roger! My Three O'Clock High has 22 tracks: 1. It's Jerry's Day Today 2. 46-32-15 3. No Detention 4. Any School Bully Will Do 5. Go To The Head Of The Class 6. 'Sit' by Sylvester Levay 7. 'The Fight' by Sylvester Levay 8. 'Jerry's Decisions' by Sylvester Levay 9. 'The Fight Is On' by Sylvester Levay 10. 'Paper' by Sylvester Levay 11. Big, Bright Brass Knuckles 12. Buying Paper Like It's Going Out Of Style 13. Dangerous Trend 14. Who's Chasing Who? 15. Bonding By Candlelight 16. You'll Never Believe It 17. Starting The Day Off Right 18. Weak At The Knees 19. Kill Him (The Football Dummy) 20. Not So Quiet In The Library (Get lost In A Crowd) 21. 'Something To Remember Me By' by Jim Walker 22. 'Arrival' by Rick Moratta & David Tickle Hope that helps! ...Utch On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 00:52:05 -0700, Roger Helliwell wrote: >Greetings all > >First off it's good to be on-board the list. I've been a TD fan for >many years, but only signed up here a few days ago. Seems like a great >place to mingle and pick each others brains... > >Speaking of which... > >Does anybody have an accurate track listing for Three O'Clock High? I >thought I had the complete version. But recently I noticed 5 or 6 >extra tracks that aren't on mine. (I have 15 tracks.) >Someone was mentioning that there are multiple versions of the >Heartbreakers Soundtrack. Maybe the same situation here? > >BTW, its not one of my favourites, I just like the >'Risky-Business'like sound to it. > >Roger --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Live in such a way that you would not be ashamed to sell your parrot to the town gossip. --Will Rogers From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT to Finnish Members of List/Snow Queen Soundtrack http://www.djangomusic.com/item_music.asp?id=R+++372567&dt=33 You can get it here for 7.99 Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu >>> dhj4@y... 10/09/01 09:09PM >>> My sister is looking for a complete copy of Jukka Linkola's soundtrack to a film called 'The Snow Queen.' It was published by Finlandia Records in 1887, and three pieces appear on a BMG CD called 'Northern Lights' Music of Contemplation for a New Age.' As far as either of us have been able to find out, the complete soundtrack is no longer available. If any of you could steer me in the right direction, I would appreciate it! Cheers, Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29494 Re: OT to Finnish Members of List/Snow Queen Soun Michael Jean Wed 10/10/2001 3 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 2:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT to Finnish Members of List/Snow Queen Soundtrack Sorry...I THOUGHT you could...It had all the info, but is apparently out of stock...You can add yourself to there notify list though... >>> dhj4@y... 10/09/01 09:09PM >>> My sister is looking for a complete copy of Jukka Linkola's soundtrack to a film called 'The Snow Queen.' It was published by Finlandia Records in 1887, and three pieces appear on a BMG CD called 'Northern Lights' Music of Contemplation for a New Age.' As far as either of us have been able to find out, the complete soundtrack is no longer available. If any of you could steer me in the right direction, I would appreciate it! Cheers, Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: John McIntyre Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 2:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Slightly OT Oldfield Q BRUCE@F... wrote: > p.s. anyone got the 'ambient' boxset with 'Aqua', 'Timewind' > and 'Blackouts? > > What do you think of those albums? No, I don't have the boxset because I had already purchased the albums individually. Love 'em all. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 3:15 pm Subject: antique question Hi! Can anyone tell me if 'sorcerer and thief' from antique dreams has really been performed in 1981? I mean, the version featured on the album. It sounds much more like an early Edgar/Jerome cover of older tracks to me. Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29497 Re: antique question Owens, James Wed 10/10/2001 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 4:09 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] antique question I believe the Sorceror/Thief track in question first started showing up during the 1988 North America tour. It's likely the date is just acknowledging the fact that the Thief stuff was composed around 1981 (the latter of the two). If I'd had as many concerts as these guys have, I'd probably forget what I played when... James > -----Original Message----- > From: thomas.soucheleau@n... > Can anyone tell me if 'sorcerer and thief' from antique > dreams has really been performed in 1981? I mean, the version > featured on the album. > It sounds much more like an early Edgar/Jerome cover of older > tracks to me. From: gmroger@p... Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 5:18 pm Subject: Re: Anagrams I wonder what the Sad Free Ogre and J. Freer Moose think... - Garth P. Rooper -- Tego nie znajdziesz w zadnym sklepie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 7:32 pm Subject: Re: Re A Romantic Ballad Disc of TD's Work Thank you for this informative post! I enjoyed following your links. What an eye opener! Hilary --- In tadream@y..., scfeldman@j... wrote: > On Tue, 09 Oct 2001 22:19:40 +0200 'Paul Fellows' > writes: > > >>> And Moorland is a fairly dark tune, too, if you ask me. > >>> > >>> John Vertical > > > >Probably because it was used on the original 'Keep' > >album...music for a horror movie. > > Yeah, well, it was *adapted* for THE KEEP *after* > being composed for the TATORT TV show, which was a > detective program, not a horror show. > > >Come to think of it, as everyone seems to be > >discussing Mike Oldfield at the moment, > > Not me. I have other things to do with my time. > > >> Wow! Talk about synchronicity! I just made one -- > >>for a transsexual woman I am trying to woo -- last night! > > > >Oh God, now I've seen it all. Get a life. > > I have one. Besides, I am fixated on other things > than just Tangerine Dream. (For example, my kung fu movies > site is three times as big as my THE KEEP and e-music > sites). How about you? ;) > Also, one of the most important figures, in e-music, > Wendy Carlos, is transsexual, as is one of the key figures > responsible for computer chip design and the internet: Lynn > Conway. Take a look at the informative web page at > http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/LynnsStory.html for > details. Play Tangerine Dream music in the background if > you start to have withdrawal symptoms while you read the > jaw-dropping information at this site. It could very well > change the way you look at the world. > > >one minute it's Mike Oldfield and now sexual preferences. > > Yeah, jeepers, what's next? Bin Laden, maybe? > Besides, the term Sexual Preference is inaccurate > and passe: it's been replaced with Sexual Orientation -- > since it is not a preference insofar as one cannot change > it. And furthermore, my attraction to transsexuals and > other transgender folks is moreso an issue of gender than > sex. I am androgyne. For an explanation -- if you can > tear yourself away from your Tangerine Dream monomania -- > check out my http://androgyne.0catch.com site. > > >Plus the fact that there's plenty of more romantic music > >out there than TD, I'd never try to get anyone mushy with > >their music. > > I would. I still think that the HEARTBREAKERS > soundtrack is plenty romantic. > > >[. . .] TD is for keeping in the closet (oops, perhaps > >that's what Steve wants to do, come out of it...) > > I did that here months ago. I am bisexual and > bigendered (aka androgyne, meaning I have the gender > identity of both a man and a woman). > > >This list is getting dangerously close to a free for all, > >time for our favourite list moderator to step in I think... > > Oh bullshit, my post was 95% on-topic. Much more than > yours was, in fact. > > > Paul > > Steven sometimes, Stephanie sometimes -- always Me > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TransRomance listowner > http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: rubyconist@y... Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 5:56 am Subject: Re: Alpha Centauri --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > Now that this topic is up - I've heard many times this album uses even a > coffee machine (or is it EM?) but I can't hear where. Does anyone know? > > John Vertical I would say that the coffee machine is found in the title track. Regards, TheInfection From: rubyconist@y... Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 5:59 am Subject: Catch me if you can Has anyone got any info about Catch me if you can -soundtrack? The cd booklet has some: seemingly tracks are composed by Edgar and Paul, but are they only ones playing the instruments? Quality is as ordinary as could be expected in the year 1989. Not so un-commercial any more. Regards, TheInfection From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 6:27 am Subject: Subject: RE: [tadream] antique question Actually, the track(s) Sorcerer/Thief in question was not from 1981--it was performed by Tangerine Dream at the Music in the Movies Mill Valley Film Festival Benefit concert 15 November 1986--I was at that show. Tangerine Dream (ffh) closed the show (after many other musicians performed their film soundtrack music e.g. David Lindley and Ry Cooder performed music from the film 'Paris, Texas' and Adrian Belew, Stewart Copeland and Stanley Clarke performed music from the Matt Dillon film 'rumblefish') with a soundtracks only performance. The benefit was very similar to an awards type show--a la the film academy except without the awards, but with plenty of self-congratulations. As I recall, eventhough Barbra Streisand did not attend, a letter she sent was read. There was also a long portion where segments of Amadeus were shown with and without the music soundtrack backing the speaking parts to show the relative importance of music in film--how it can move a scene along as it were. This concert--15 Nov 86--has been confused with the 3 Jun 86 show at the same venue--Warfield Theatre San Francisco which more or less sounds like Sonambulistic Imagery from 6 Jun 86 Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre which was similar to 5 Jun 86 Universal Amphitheatre. In November Tangerine Dream did not perform Underwater Sunlight material--rather they played selections from sorcerer/thief/flashpoint and legend while film sequences from the actual movies were projected on a screen above and behind them. OK, and if you've been paying attention--I'll give up the Kaleidoscope/TD connection now that I mentioned as a response a few weeks ago. One of the founders of Kaledioscope--David Lindley (also of El Rayo-X fame)--performed the same night as TD at the benefit mentioned above. So there's the connection, albeit two decades after the Kaleidoscope Tangerine Dream album was recorded which AFAIK has nothing to do with Edgar's band. --tei >I believe the Sorceror/Thief track in question first started showing up during the 1988 North America tour. It's likely the date is just acknowledging the fact that the Thief stuff was composed around 1981 (the latter of the two). If I'd had as many concerts as these guys have, I'd probably forget what I played when... James< >>-----Original Message----- >From: thomas.soucheleau@n... >Can anyone tell me if 'sorcerer and thief' from antique dreams has really >been performed in 1981? I mean, the version featured on the album. >It sounds much more like an early Edgar/Jerome cover of older tracks to >me.<< _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29504 Re: Subject: RE: [tadream] antique question Owens, James Thu 10/11/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 11:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Alpha Centauri > > Now that this topic is up - I've heard many times this album uses >even a > > coffee machine (or is it EM?) but I can't hear where. Does anyone >know? > > > > John Vertical > >I would say that the coffee machine is found in the title track. > >Regards, >TheInfection > Me too, but it's a 22 minute track after all, so if anyone already knows, it would be a good save of time. I really wouldn't want to listen it with a magnifying glass. (well, I hope you understood) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29619 Re: Alpha Centauri rubyconist@y... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB 29620 Long tracks ...... Matthew Stringer Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 2:42 pm Subject: RE: Subject: RE: [tadream] antique question Great info Tei! Does a recording of this exist? James > -----Original Message----- > Actually, the track(s) Sorcerer/Thief in question was not > from 1981--it was > performed by Tangerine Dream at the Music in the Movies Mill > Valley Film > Festival Benefit concert 15 November 1986--I was at that show. From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 6:11 pm Subject: RE: Subject: RE: [tadream] antique question No--our gang of 5 or was it 6? didn't tape it--so I guess Edgar has the only tapes. Sadly, --T >>Great info Tei! Does a recording of this exist? James >-----Original Message----- >Actually, the track(s) Sorcerer/Thief in question was not from 1981--it was >performed by Tangerine Dream at the Music in the Movies Mill Valley Film >Festival Benefit concert 15 November 1986--I was at that show.<< _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29506 Re: Subject: RE: [tadream] antique question goozer@a... Thu 10/11/2001 2 KB From: goozer@a... Date: Thu Oct 11, 2001 8:09 pm Subject: Re: Subject: RE: [tadream] antique question If a fan tape exists, it must be with the most secretive, selfish person in TD fandom, right next to his copy of _The Keep_ lp! I've been trying to find this show for a *loooooooooong* time. And believe me, I've asked *everyone*! :) --- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote: > No--our gang of 5 or was it 6? didn't tape it--so I guess Edgar has the only > tapes. > > Sadly, > > --T > > > > >>Great info Tei! > > Does a recording of this exist? > > James > > >-----Original Message----- > >Actually, the track(s) Sorcerer/Thief in question was not from 1981--it was > >performed by Tangerine Dream at the Music in the Movies Mill Valley Film > >Festival Benefit concert 15 November 1986--I was at that show.<< > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'coldwatercanyon' Date: Fri Oct 12, 2001 1:35 am Subject: CD List Updated Hello I just updated my CD sale list. Some more items are added. Thanks Jeffrey Link: http://members.tripodasia.com.hk/coldwatercanyon/CDsale.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Fri Oct 12, 2001 7:50 am Subject: antique tangent? Thanks everyone for your answers about 'Sorcerer and Thief'. Still, that piece hardly sounds like a 1986 track to me (doesn't feel like the synths of that time), so I have to assume that it's been tangentized or am I wrong? Thomas ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29510 Re: antique tangent? goozer@a... Fri 10/12/2001 2 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri Oct 12, 2001 8:01 am Subject: New lists from Klaus ! Hi all, my lists on http://www.caby.de/Music have been updated. The most important news: swaplist.txt : TD Bernau material added wantlist.txt : I'm looking for TD Warsaw poster/concert flyer etc. newstuff.txt : lots of new things, inc. Warsaw videos cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29522 More updates by Rainer (links, Bernau2001) Rainer Rutka Mon 10/15/2001 2 KB From: goozer@a... Date: Fri Oct 12, 2001 1:17 pm Subject: Re: antique tangent? Nope, it's not been remixed/reperformed. That's how it sounded at the Berlin '87 show (and, I assume, the SF Warfield '86.) :) --- In tadream@y..., thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: > Thanks everyone for your answers about 'Sorcerer and Thief'. > Still, that piece hardly sounds like a 1986 track to me (doesn't feel like the synths of that time), so I have to assume that it's been tangentized or am I wrong? > > Thomas From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Oct 12, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: TD-tour Atlanta date Hi all, I got a call from Variety Playhouse in Atlanta last night informing me that the TD show had been rescheduled until January 24th, 2002. (They called to ask if I wanted a refund on my tickets or just an exchange for the later date - I opted for the refund until I have firmer info.) James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29513 Bernau-Special-Page finished (Rainer's Site: www. Rainer Rutka Sat 10/13/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Fri Oct 12, 2001 6:10 pm Subject: Auction 2 days!!!! Hi all, the last 2 days of my 2. Auction this year. over 600 visitors and over 40 bids. End of the auction: 14.10.2001 (8 pm Middle European Summer Time) here comes the link for your bid!!! www.opticaldream.de/dream/Auction2.htm Regards and thank you. heiko from germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Rainer Rutka Date: Fri Oct 12, 2001 10:54 pm Subject: Bernau-Special-Page finished (Rainer's Site: www.rutka.de/td) Hi all! I found the time to update my TD homepage. You will find a BERNAU-SPECIAL-PAGE if you start my site. See the 'SPECIALS->Inferno' button in my NEW-section. I put some of the pictures I made in Bernau onto the side. Unfortunately I got some problems with my camera (I need a new one :-() but most of the pics are o.k.. All concert fotos are available in a bigger size, if you click onto them. Thank you all who visited the wonderfull concert. Hope to see you all again very soon. Have fun.... Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- TD-page: www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Sat Oct 13, 2001 7:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Slightly OT Oldfield Q John McIntyre [09/10/2001 09:01] dijo/said: >ohmss761@c... wrote: > >> I'm a bit new to these groups, but I wanted to know if Mike Oldfield has been >> discussed recently, and what other TD fans think of his albums. >> Of course Tubular Bells is a classic, but the one I am curious about is >> Ommadawn. It sounds promising, along the lines of TD's long single tracks. > >Ommadawn is classic. If you like Oldfield, I cannot imagine you not absolutely loving Ommadawn. But is it from his 'spacey' output or from his poppier song-oriented output? Also, how much material does he recycle in this particular album? -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'Goddamn fatherfucking asshole politician moral paraplegic dipshit drag-queen bitch!' - Martin Silenus, _The Fall of Hyperion_ From: 'simon heath' Date: Sat Oct 13, 2001 7:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Slightly OT Oldfield Q how much material does he recycle in this particular >album? > it was only his 2nd (ish) album >But is it from his 'spacey' output or from his poppier song-oriented >output? not pop! Rocky ethnicy good stuff.Not spacey either.Distintive and one of his very best. www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath -----Original Message----- From: Miguel Farah F. To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 13 October 2001 20:16 Subject: Re: [tadream] Slightly OT Oldfield Q > John McIntyre [09/10/2001 09:01] dijo/said: >>ohmss761@c... wrote: >> >>> I'm a bit new to these groups, but I wanted to know if Mike Oldfield has been >>> discussed recently, and what other TD fans think of his albums. >>> Of course Tubular Bells is a classic, but the one I am curious about is >>> Ommadawn. It sounds promising, along the lines of TD's long single tracks. >> >>Ommadawn is classic. If you like Oldfield, I cannot imagine you not absolutely loving Ommadawn. > > >-- >MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... >#include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel ><*> >'Goddamn fatherfucking asshole politician moral paraplegic dipshit > drag-queen bitch!' >- Martin Silenus, _The Fall of Hyperion_ > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Sat Oct 13, 2001 11:44 pm Subject: continuing US tour wackiness So, I search one of my favorite tour news sites to find that tickets for TD in san francisco are on sale for Tuesday Feb 26th 2002. I go to the venue website and it says they are onsale, too. They use ticketmaster, so I go to the ticketmaster site and they don't have any record of them being onsale. So I call ticketmaster and they don't have a record of TD at the fillmore, but I ask about TD at HOB Anaheim--it's now Friday Feb 22 2002 (hmm, 20 year sydney anniversary--or is that the broadcast date). Anyway, then I ask about the Ventura Theatre show and Ticketmaster tells me it's still scheduled for November 9th. So just to double check, I went to ticketmaster's website and ventura theatre is showing as 'not on sale'--still listed as Nov 9 2001, and the 2/22/02 Anaheim show is listed as onsale and still no listing for the San Francisco show. Oh, and the mall's website has been updateded today oct 13th--the Bernau show was removed, but the rest is the same as September 28ths listing. --T (enjoying Indian Summer--it's about 29 degrees C here right now) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29523 Re: continuing US tour wackiness Michael Jean Mon 10/15/2001 2 KB From: -=brian=- Date: Sun Oct 14, 2001 12:57 am Subject: CDs for sale I have a list of CDs for sale, including some TD-related material and material similar to TD. Please let me know if you're interested in anything: http://www.frickster.net/Music.php. -=brian=- From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun Oct 14, 2001 11:24 am Subject: Inferno Releases Hi all, 'Inferno will be released in late December 2001'. Edgar Froese in an Interview with Olaf Zimmermann for the Radio 1 'ElektroBeats' at Wednesday, 10th of October 2001 Also in this show, Olaf Zimmermann played two Songs of the 'Inferno' CD: Virgils Dream (3:20 min) and Beatrice Song (4:30 min) Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (update: 14.10.2001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun Oct 14, 2001 11:22 am Subject: last hours of my auction !!! Hi all, the last 7 hours of my second auction this year !!! visit the auction under: www.opticaldream.de/dream/Auction.htm Deadline / End of the auction: 14.10.2001 (08 pm Middle European Summer Time) See you auctionmaster - heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: vic rek Date: Sun Oct 14, 2001 5:34 am Subject: Bernau I just got back from my extended business trip which included an excursion to Bernau. I have to say that the trip was eventful and worth the effort. It was great to meet many of the fans for the first time, like J. Gordon, Peter Ravn, Heiko Neumann, Heiko Heerssen, Uwe Herold, Siegfried Lindhorst, Michal, Rainer Rutka and many others... I also met again Klaus B., Peter S., Andreas Gottfried, Volker Hirsch and Piotr Millennium. Some of these hard core fans are not on this list. I left Berlin by S-bahn for Bernau. It was rainy and foggy when I arrived to Bernau, but warm and mild. The old part of the city is walled and looked very impressive. I made it to the cathedral and it was lit up in wonderful colors or orange and blue. The scene reminded me if The Keep was about to be filmed. I hooked up with many of the fans to make some TD swaps. Unfortunately I had too much baggage with me since I was travelling on after the show. I had many swaps to make and some moments were comical when I dumped my luggage by mistake and everyone around saw more than my swap items :-) Once I got into the first performance, I went to the balcony to watch. The atmosphere in the church was very erie and atmospheric. Once the music started and I heard the voices and some subtle old sequences, I drifted back to the days of 1974 (at least in my mind). On the balcony level I was able to walk around and take in the atmosphere and watch the show from different angles and watch the people too. Many people at the first show looked to be season ticket holders for the musik festival. I believe the first show was sold out. One highlight of the show was when Iris Kulterer (the percussionist) started to sign beautifully in Spanish. I was very impressed and 'into' her. She seemed to be really enjoying herself - as always. After the show (which was no more than 80 minutes) I had a moment with Edgar and he asked me how was the show - beautiful of course! I met him outside and it was quite strange to seem him in the foggy night walking from the church. The second show was the same as the first, but I had a better seat, so to me of course it sounded better - maybe the artists were more relaxed too. After the show, I hung out some more with all the fans and then went back to the church to chat with some of the TDI management and had a nice conversation with Jerome. It looks like there will be a CD release of this music. Anyway, there is so much more to write about, but I'll leave it at this. Some of the other list members have already contributed some very nice comments and Rainer has already posted some pictures. I'll be posting my Bernau Fantasy pictures once I get the time. As for my trip from the show back home, it was long and complicated. For those interested, here are some details. I took a taxi at 3AM from Bernau to Eberswalde in the erie fog (60DM) - thanks Klaus! *At 4AM I caught a train from Eberswalde to Pasewalk - arrive 5:07 *At 6:10 I catch a bus from Pasewalk to Locknitz *at 6:36 I catch a train from Locknitz to Szczecin, Poland, arrive 7:10 * = I am the only passenger on these segments From Szczecin I catch a cab to the airport which is far away from the city to my surprise (60DM again) Fly from Szczecin at 8:25 to Warsaw Fly from Warsaw at 13:25 to New York, JFK airport Rent a car and drive into Manhatten to have dinner with some friends that live by 'ground zero' Drive to New Brunswick, New Jersey and rent a hotel room. Collapse. Return to Atlanta 4 days later after business trip. Also, I have a few items from Bernau to trade: - poster - unused ticket (evening show) - program Vic From: 'Carlo' Date: Sun Oct 14, 2001 1:48 pm Subject: Re: [SPACEMUSIC] FSP and Waveworld I haven't posted much to these lists lately, but I just have to say that I made the journey from Hartford, CT to Philadelphia, PA yesterday to see the show and I was not at all disappointed. The performance from Free System Projekt consisted of three long pieces (about 15 - 20 minutes each), much of it ambient with some interesting analogue sequences. I did get to speak to Marcel briefly and he said that the sequence from the second track they played came about from the Okefenokee meeting earlier this year (TD-related content!), but would not be appearing on the CD that will be coming out from it - he did say that Quantum is going to be producing that release (Marcel, I hope I'm not giving away any secrets here). I am hoping that someday their concert from last night is made available for release - there was one small loss of sound during a sequence that needs to be fixed though before that can happen. I enjoyed it immensely. There was a short break and then Wave World was announced. They are most certainly performers in a broader sense of the term, in that they are not only musicians but come dressed in monk-like robes and have a symbol painted upon their faces, they also have an interesting computer generated video playing above them. Their music ranges from floating ambience to fast-paced rhythms and melodies. I recognized many tracks from their first two albums and I'm hoping that some of the others that were played are on the Dimensions CD and the Sphere CD-single I picked up before the show. They seemed to be enjoying themselves because they were smiling and laughing and, at times, bobbing their heads in time with the music. I look forward to see what these guys come with in the future - musically and visually. Highly recommended to anyone who has the chance to go see them. It was nice to meet some list members who were previously just names on email I have received - Thanks to Michael Jean for the company and to the others I met briefly. Carlo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29525 Re: [SPACEMUSIC] FSP and Waveworld david Tue 10/16/2001 4 KB 32555 Re: [SPACEMUSIC] FSP and Waveworld Michael Jean Wed 3/6/2002 4 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Oct 14, 2001 10:59 pm Subject: More updates by Rainer (links, Bernau2001) Hi! Found the time to update my TD related links page. If you find errors, news or updates - please contact me by email. I'll add it ASAP! If you want to know more about Dante (Inferno) just visit my Bernau2001- page. I added some links (e.g. with englisch and german translations). Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Mon Oct 15, 2001 1:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] continuing US tour wackiness Well to follow up my earlier post on this subject, I received a second letter from Ticketmaster a few days later, saying the Virginia show is now Jan 31... It appears any places showing remaining dates for Oct or Nov are just slow in updating their systems... >>> teiwazbarana@h... 10/13/01 07:44PM >>> So, I search one of my favorite tour news sites to find that tickets for TD in san francisco are on sale for Tuesday Feb 26th 2002. I go to the venue website and it says they are onsale, too. They use ticketmaster, so I go to the ticketmaster site and they don't have any record of them being onsale. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Oct 15, 2001 6:32 pm Subject: item s for sale !!! Hi all, all item`s on my Auction page, with the statemant: 'for sale' , you can have for the minimum bid. www.opticaldream.de/dream/Auction2.htm Thank you to all bidders ( over 100 bids in 14 days !!! ) and over 880 visitors in 14 days. Regards heiko from germany www.opticaldream.de (update: 14.10.2001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29528 Slim pickings Matthew Stringer Tue 10/16/2001 2 KB From: 'david' Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 6:27 am Subject: Re: [SPACEMUSIC] FSP and Waveworld --- In tadream@y..., 'Carlo' wrote: > I haven't posted much to these lists lately, but I just have to say that I made the journey from Hartford, CT to Philadelphia, PA yesterday to see the show and I was not at all disappointed. The performance from Free System Projekt consisted of three long pieces (about 15 - 20 minutes each), much of it ambient with some interesting analogue sequences. I did get to speak to Marcel briefly and he said that the sequence from the second track they played came about from the Okefenokee meeting earlier this year (TD-related content!), but would not be appearing on the CD that will be coming out from it - he did say that Quantum is going to be producing that release (Marcel, I hope I'm not giving away any secrets here). I am hoping that someday their concert from last night is made available for release - there was one small loss of sound during a sequence that needs to be fixed though before that can happen. I enjoyed it immensely. > > There was a short break and then Wave World was announced. They are most certainly performers in a broader sense of the term, in that they are not only musicians but come dressed in monk-like robes and have a symbol painted upon their faces, they also have an interesting computer generated video playing above them. Their music ranges from floating ambience to fast-paced rhythms and melodies. I recognized many tracks from their first two albums and I'm hoping that some of the others that were played are on the Dimensions CD and the Sphere CD-single I picked up before the show. They seemed to be enjoying themselves because they were smiling and laughing and, at times, bobbing their heads in time with the music. I look forward to see what these guys come with in the future - musically and visually. Highly recommended to anyone who has the chance to go see them. > > It was nice to meet some list members who were previously just names on email I have received - Thanks to Michael Jean for the company and to the others I met briefly. > > Carlo > i was there too. thanks to marcus and band mates for a great performance! micheal jean and i were tring to hook up ooo,but we did not know what each other looked like. micheeal jean emailed me today and said u and him had dinner at the philly diner afterwards. and john deliberto was around too. sounds cool. i do not know if i am going to see david darling at the dec gathering. not really a space music artist,is he? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'david' Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 6:40 am Subject: hey micheal jean i got your email today. i am not ignoring you. all 3 of my free email programs are glitchty today. yahoo,hotmail,excite...i know u did not get it from yahoo or hotmail. did u get the one from excite?i can still receive email on yahoo,just can't send it now. yep that was me talking to marcus right before the show. so now u know what i look like. david Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29541 Re: hey micheal jean Michael Jean Tue 10/16/2001 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 7:18 am Subject: Spree.com web sites officially gone. Well, just this very night, spree.com wiped out all it's member websites. So, I'll have to slowly build their content back up at my www.0catch.com sites. The germ of my e-music site is at http://thekeep.0catch.com Steven Feldman From: Matthew Stringer Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 8:09 am Subject: Slim pickings Hi, is it just me or have the number of Tadream posts dropped dramatically? Matt From: rubyconist@y... Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 8:23 am Subject: Re: Slim pickings --- In tadream@y..., Matthew Stringer wrote: > Hi, > is it just me or have the number of Tadream posts dropped dramatically? > > Matt Posts are indeed dropped. Why is that? WHY OH WHY!? Regards, TheInfection Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29530 Re: Slim pickings Synthhtnys@a... Tue 10/16/2001 2 KB 29531 Re: Slim pickings Heiko Heerssen Tue 10/16/2001 2 KB 29534 Re: Slim pickings mengels@w... Tue 10/16/2001 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 8:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Slim pickings > Hi, > is it just me or have the number of Tadream posts dropped dramatically?> Matt Posts are indeed dropped. Why is that? WHY OH WHY!? Regards, *I've been here a while and it just seems to be the nature of the list to ebb and flow like that..... Fear not, I'm sure we'll find something to split hairs about soon enough. ;-) Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 8:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Slim pickings > Posts are indeed dropped. Why is that? WHY OH WHY!? I don't know why.. I haven't posted anything to the list since a few days because there's nothing of interest going on at the moment. I assume the email traffic will increase after the 'Inferno' show will be released officially on CD (and as far as I know it will be out in December) Heiko From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 12:07 pm Subject: Re: Slim pickings / what's in the vault ? If you think it's quiet in this group, the Led Zeppelin one I'm also part of has hardly any new stuff going on. It sounds as if a fair amount of this group went to Bernau, perhaps they're all recovering ? Was it Vic that got to speak to Edgar ? Has Edgar ever given an indication of what will happen to all the live tapes that must be clogging up shelves in a vault somewhere ? CD's are the ideal medium for the 40 minute compositions that would have been destroyed on LP's. I can understand that he might want to focus on the band's current music, but there must be some special stuff that deserves official release so a wider audience can appreciate it. Official releases of some of the historic gigs would be sure to sell, especially if they were released in the mid-price range and given a bit of publicity. It's only because of some special people in this group that I've got my hands on a few excellent 'unofficial' recording to enjoy. I have such happy memories of 1976 - 1982 London area gigs and it's the live stuff that really shows off the band's creative improvisational skills. Toby > Hi, > is it just me or have the number of Tadream posts dropped dramatically? > > Matt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29533 Re: Slim pickings / what's in the vault ? Heiko Heerssen Tue 10/16/2001 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 12:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Slim pickings / what's in the vault ? > If you think it's quiet in this group, the Led Zeppelin one I'm also > part of has hardly any new stuff going on. It sounds as if a fair > amount of this group went to Bernau, perhaps they're all recovering ? I wanted to give the Tadream list my impressions of the concert, however Jerome (no, not the one you think ;-) already wrote a lengthy and good review of the concert, there was nothing that I could add to it...well, maybe that the restaurant (where a dozen of TD fans were eating before the start of the 1st show) was really nice, the food & beer was excellent :-) > Has Edgar ever given an indication of what will happen to all the live tapes that must be > clogging up shelves in a vault somewhere ? it seems he's an artist that has no desire to release recordings from the past, and those two TDI releases from Berlin 76 (Soundmill Navigator) and Sydney 82 (Sohoman) were IMO a bit disappointing, because most of us already had these recordings on tape or CD-R since they were broadcasted on radio.. > Official releases of some of the historic gigs would be sure to sell, > especially if they were released in the mid-price range and given a > bit of publicity. I'm afraid this won't happen, at least not in Schulzian dimensions like the release of a 50cd 'ultimate edition' set. It's a shame because there's still so much unreleased great live music to be discovered. Heiko From: Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 2:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Slim pickings > Quoten Matthew Stringer : > > Hi, > is it just me or have the number of Tadream posts dropped dramatically? Everybody went to the Gatherings show of course! :-) I came back from the USA yesterday (and am working already). It was a truly great time we had. The first 3 days we stayed at Bill Fox's place, checking out our equipment, playing live at his show and doing an interview and living room concert at John Diliberto's (Echoes) place. The next day (saturday) we did the concert at the St. Mary's church which was and went great. The atmosphere of such a surrounding and the people who came was very inspiring. After the concert (midnight) we (FSP and WaveWorld) played all night at Chuck van Zyl radio program 'StarsEnd', which was also broadcast live. Wonderful experience and I want to thank all the people who attended to the show and/or listened to the radioshows. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 2:30 pm Subject: slim pickings Well, maybe this might be a good time to bring up something I've been thinking about. Covers. Would be curious to share people's thoughts on TD album cover art over the years and what they thought of it. What is your favorite? Least favorite? Why? Personally, I really like all of the recent covers on cds put out by TDI. I think Edgar is doing a great job. Right now, I guess my favorite is DM3. I think it's a very nice design overall. Of the old stuff, I really like Phaedra and Rubycon. I guess that's partly because of the feeling of a strange new world that I remember getting from them when I first discovered them in my youth. I see they still include a picture of Jerome on each cover, only now they aren't as covert! LOL Liondream Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29539 Re: slim pickings thomas.soucheleau@n... Tue 10/16/2001 3 KB 29540 Re: slim pickings Matthew Stringer Tue 10/16/2001 2 KB 29549 Re: slim pickings moxica@m... Tue 10/16/2001 2 KB 29588 Re: slim pickings John Vertical Wed 10/17/2001 3 KB 29590 Re: slim pickings John Vertical Wed 10/17/2001 3 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 2:32 pm Subject: TDI Homepage update Hi all, can everybody tell me the newest update of the TDI Homepage, I cant find an update. Regards heiko BTW: www.opticaldream.de/dream/Auction2.htm (all items with the 'for sale' logo you can buy it for the minimum bid) www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 3:03 pm Subject: Re: Cover art In a message dated 10/16/01 10:31:27 AM, Liondream@a... writes: >Well, maybe this might be a good time to bring up something I've been thinking >about. Covers. Would be curious to share people's thoughts on TD album >cover art over the years and what they thought of it. What is your favorite? >Least favorite? Why? Might as well share my thoughts... Favorites: Phaedra--very mysterious Cyclone (Virgin version)--intriguing, want to step into it Hyperborea--what is that? Turn of the Tides (TDI version)--nifty textures Tyranny of Beauty (Miramar version)--cool color scheme, and it has a tangerine in it Tournado--lots of neat stuff going on TimeSquare--what is THAT? Dream Dice bonus disc--another cool color scheme Dream Mixes III--subtle, attractive Least favorites: Electronic Meditation (original version)--creeps me out Tangram--insufficiently evocative 220 Volt (TDI version)--yay, orange Dream Mixes (Miramar version)--what IS that? Ambient Monkeys (latest TDI version)--yay, colored balls Speaking of covers, the new Front Line Assembly album has a pretty cool one: http://www.mindphaser.com/covers/FLA-EPITAPHsmall.jpg --Daniel NP: Transatlantic--Bridge Across Forever (very cool, check it out if you like ELP or Yes at all) From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 3:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Cover art Best cover art & best album: RICOCHET more excellent cover artwork: Cyclone, Rubycon, Stratosfear, Force Majeure, Hyperborea. Heiko From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] slim pickings Zeit and Alpha Centauri : you know you're not going to listen to teenage pop songs here. Stratosfear and Force Majeure : really cool, look a bit like early 3D games I used to play on my amstrad. Mars Polaris : well, this is a nice picture... TimeSquare : classy 7 letters from tibet : mystic bubbles, or may be it comes from the prisonner :) Dream Mixes 3 : really well thought, and nice flying saucers by the way The favorite : Tyranny of Beauty The crappiest : Zoning? Destination Berlin? Oh, no, it has to be Poland, at least my version with only 3 out of the 4 tracks, black and white without inner sleeve and you can barely read the names of the musicians. Anyway, it's funny to notice Edgar seems to be obsessed with circles and spheres. they make the basis of almost every TD cover. thomas ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29540 Re: slim pickings Matthew Stringer Tue 10/16/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 3:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] slim pickings > The crappiest : Zoning? Destination Berlin? Oh, no, it has to be Poland, at > least my version with only 3 out of the 4 tracks, black and white without > inner sleeve and you can barely read the names of the musicians. Anyway, > it's funny to notice Edgar seems to be obsessed with circles and spheres. > they make the basis of almost every TD cover. I have that version, I'm not sure why I bought it as it's a little pointless. Not sure why Ed likes his circles, squares & triangles though! Matt From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] hey micheal jean The guy I saw was talking to him AFTER the show... Here is my picture...I thought I had sent it before, but maybe I didn.'t I was wearing glasses, and had on a blackish sweater... I am about 6'4' >>> dwruckly@y... 10/16/01 02:40AM >>> i got your email today. i am not ignoring you. all 3 of my free email programs are glitchty today. yahoo,hotmail,excite...i know u did not get it from yahoo or hotmail. did u get the one from excite?i can still receive email on yahoo,just can't send it now. yep that was me talking to marcus right before the show. so now u know what i look like. david ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 5:08 pm Subject: Re: Album Covers Liondream@a... wrote: > Well, maybe this might be a good time to bring up something I've been thinking about. Covers. Would be curious to share people's thoughts on TD album cover art over the years and what they thought of it. What is your favorite? Least favorite? Why? > > Personally, I really like all of the recent covers on cds put out by TDI. I think Edgar is doing a great job. To each their own, I suppose. I find that most of the recent TDI covers look ugly, amateurish, or cheap. Sometimes all three (like Ambient Monkeys, my vote for worst TD cover EVER). A band with the long history of TD shouldn't be representing itself with images that look like a high school graphic design classes' experiments with Photoshop plug-ins. The only ones I like are the ones where Edgar took some time with it: Timesquare, Tournado, the Dream Roots Collection. And Sohoman has an elegance to it that I can appreciate, even though I don't know what the idea behind it is. In fact, that's the problem with just about all of the recent designs...I don't see the point. The covers don't have any connection to the music they represent, apart from the fact that they were created on a computer, and display little imagination. Maybe that *is* the point. So easy to criticize, you might say...what do I *like?* Pergamon - A perfect example of subjectivity, I suppose. I'm sure that some might think that *it* looks ugly and amateurish. Perhaps it's just the fact that I like the album so much....but I happen to think that its classy, avant-garde aesthetic is perfect for the music within. It's like a visual representation of Johannes opening piano piece. Stratosfear - Classic 70s rock album imagery...very Psygnosis (the guys who did covers for Pink Floyd, Alan Parsons Project and 10CC). It actually *is* cool, rather than trying desperately to be cool. Optical Race - all the Private Music covers displayed good graphic design, but this was by far the most successful. Distinctive, easilly identiable at a distance, seems to have some connection to the album title. Bonus points for the die-cut which allowed the colours to be changed. Dream Sequence (original LP version) - The first TD album I ever bought was Underwater Sunlight, which got me hooked. I decided that I wanted to pick up something else by the band, but had no idea where to begin. I made my decision based largely on cover art...and this album stuck out. Professionally designed, and I liked the 'hand-drawn' elements juxtaposed with hard lines. The imagery of brains evoked dreaming, and the planets suggested spacieness. Tangents - A great overall package, with computer imagery that actually displays some sophistication. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: gmroger@p... Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 5:45 pm Subject: The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream sings! To celebrate the imminent release of 'Inferno' at the end of the year, and a vocal album to boot, which means for that reason alone it will be hated by many fans, and to continue the theme of fan compilation albums, here's my compilation album of TD tracks WITH VOCALS!! Qualification - tracks must have vocals which largely feature on the track, and have proper lyrics, rather than just for a minute... 1. Bent Cold Sidewalk (Part 1) 4.32 2. Tyger (5.09) 3. I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You (3.58) 4. Gloria (3.10) (Well, they may be in latin, but they are lyrics) 5. Rose of Babylon (5.03) 6. Rising Runner Missed By Endless Sender (5.02) 7. Brother or Stranger (5.03) 8. Loved by the Sun (5.56) 9. Shy People (8.02) 10. London (The Dungeon) (7.11) 11. Legend (Demotrack featuring Suzanne whats-her-name on vocals) (3.09) 12. Dreamtime (3.40) 13. Dancing on a White Moon (3.06) 14. Smile (5.54) 15. Bent Cold Sidewalk (Part 2) (3.06) Total time: 72.06 Hmmm... maybe the running order needs sorting, but it might not be that bad an album. Any more suggestions for compilations? Roger Hartopp -- Zamow odbitki ze zdjec cyfrowych lub archiwum zdjec na CD! [ http://lab.foto.onet.pl/laboratorium.html ] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29544 Re: The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream s simon heath Tue 10/16/2001 2 KB 29557 Re: The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream s webmaster@j... Wed 10/17/2001 2 KB 29545 Re: The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream s Sean Montgomery Tue 10/16/2001 2 KB 29553 Re: The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream s chris towers Wed 10/17/2001 3 KB 29556 Re: The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream s Matthew Stringer Wed 10/17/2001 2 KB 29547 Re: The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream s Synthhtnys@a... Tue 10/16/2001 2 KB 29548 Re: The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream s Owens, James Tue 10/16/2001 4 KB 29552 Re: The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream s chris towers Wed 10/17/2001 5 KB 29550 Re: The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream s moxica@m... Tue 10/16/2001 2 KB From: 'simon heath' Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 5:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream sings! here's my >compilation album of TD tracks WITH VOCALS!! >Any more suggestions for compilations? > the perfect *with vocals* compilation would be a completely blank disc. www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29557 Re: The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream s webmaster@j... Wed 10/17/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 6:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream sings! Holy crap....that really is a nightmare compilation. You should call it 'Give This To Your Friends and Turn Them Off TD Forever'. It omits the *only* TD track with spoken language vocals that I like: Kiew Mission. And how about the original 'TD Sings' track: 'Wahn'? Hee hee! -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29553 Re: The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream s chris towers Wed 10/17/2001 3 KB 29556 Re: The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream s Matthew Stringer Wed 10/17/2001 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 6:18 pm Subject: favorite covers Favorite: Ricochet, Stratosfear, Cyclone, Tournado Least favorite: Miramar Dream Mixes (looks like a SKA album) Favorite albums cover by any group: Vangelis: Heaven and Hell: Two Ice hands fly (with little angel wings) over a keyboard, all in the middle of a RAGING INFERNO! Really cool! James From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream sings! > the perfect *with vocals* compilation would be a completely blank disc. > www.cat.ismad.com > www.mog.ismad.com > *Yup... unless it was an interview disc from the Baumann or Schmoeling era... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 7:01 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream sings! Hi Roger, Of your list, I have to say the only tracks that feel like 'real TD' to me are: Bent Cold Sidewalk, Rising Runner, Loved by the Sun, Smile (don't get me wrong, I like London too, but it's more like a poetry recital with music and a completely awesome instrumental section). All of these have lyrics that integrate very well with the tone of the music. Bent Cold Sidewalk is a journey into a surreal landscape, where pieces of the modern world break off in sharp relief to mysterious medieval landscapes. When I talk to the trees, it paints a picture in my mind like a Dahli masterpiece. Rising Runner has the same sort of surreal feeling, but it's like a nightmare where you run in terror from some dark malevolence, never coming back, ever running over... Loved by the Sun (pasted on lyrics or not) just fits the mood of Legend so well. The majestic chords swell till Holy lightning strikes all that's evil. This is truly the music of Love Eternal. Smile is the perfect match of music to poetry. I'm an engineer. The beauty of poetry to me is how much you can say in so few words. Like a smile, these words are so simple, but speak volumes. The music here speaks volumes too. James > -----Original Message----- > From: gmroger@p... [mailto:gmroger@p...] > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:45 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream sings! > > > To celebrate the imminent release of 'Inferno' at the end of > the year, and a vocal album to boot, which means for that > reason alone it will be hated by many fans, and to continue > the theme of fan compilation albums, here's my > compilation album of TD tracks WITH VOCALS!! Qualification - > tracks must have vocals which largely feature on the > track, and have proper lyrics, rather than just for a minute... > > 1. Bent Cold Sidewalk (Part 1) 4.32 > 2. Tyger (5.09) > 3. I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You (3.58) > 4. Gloria (3.10) (Well, they may be in latin, but they are lyrics) > 5. Rose of Babylon (5.03) > 6. Rising Runner Missed By Endless Sender (5.02) > 7. Brother or Stranger (5.03) > 8. Loved by the Sun (5.56) > 9. Shy People (8.02) > 10. London (The Dungeon) (7.11) > 11. Legend (Demotrack featuring Suzanne whats-her-name on > vocals) (3.09) > 12. Dreamtime (3.40) > 13. Dancing on a White Moon (3.06) > 14. Smile (5.54) > 15. Bent Cold Sidewalk (Part 2) (3.06) > > Total time: 72.06 > > Hmmm... maybe the running order needs sorting, but it might > not be that bad an album. > Any more suggestions for compilations? > > Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29552 Re: The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream s chris towers Wed 10/17/2001 5 KB From: moxica@m... Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 8:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] slim pickings >From: thomas.soucheleau@n... >7 letters from tibet : mystic bubbles, or may be it comes from the prisonner :) I thought the picture was of blood cells as seen from under a microscope. - jim From: moxica@m... Date: Tue Oct 16, 2001 8:49 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream sings! >From: gmroger@p... >4. Gloria (3.10) (Well, they may be in latin, but they are lyrics) I thought this was a Laura Branigan song... - jim From: vic rek Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 5:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] slim pickings + Bernau > > Right now, I guess my favorite is DM3. I think it's a very nice design overall. > I think the upcoming Inferno CD will have a nice design. So, if I had to make a prediction on what the upcoming Inferno CD will look like, then it would look something like this: http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/inferno.jpg Also, the Bernau early and late shows are available on CD-R. Vic From: chris towers Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 6:18 am Subject: RE: [tadream] The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream sings! Hiya, what about the opening section to Kiew Mission ?? i know its not a long piece but if you edit off the second part i find the first part to be a nice piece on its own, just a thought... Regards Chris --- 'Owens, James' wrote: > Hi Roger, > > Of your list, I have to say the only tracks that > feel like 'real TD' to me > are: > Bent Cold Sidewalk, Rising Runner, Loved by the Sun, > Smile (don't get me > wrong, I like London too, but it's more like a > poetry recital with music and > a completely awesome instrumental section). > All of these have lyrics that integrate very well > with the tone of the > music. > > Bent Cold Sidewalk is a journey into a surreal > landscape, where pieces of > the modern world break off in sharp relief to > mysterious medieval > landscapes. When I talk to the trees, it paints a > picture in my mind like a > Dahli masterpiece. > > Rising Runner has the same sort of surreal feeling, > but it's like a > nightmare where you run in terror from some dark > malevolence, never coming > back, ever running over... > > Loved by the Sun (pasted on lyrics or not) just fits > the mood of Legend so > well. The majestic chords swell till Holy lightning > strikes all that's > evil. This is truly the music of Love Eternal. > > Smile is the perfect match of music to poetry. I'm > an engineer. The beauty > of poetry to me is how much you can say in so few > words. Like a smile, these > words are so simple, but speak volumes. The music > here speaks volumes too. > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: gmroger@p... > [mailto:gmroger@p...] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:45 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] The nightmare compilation - > Tangerine Dream sings! > > > > > > To celebrate the imminent release of 'Inferno' at > the end of > > the year, and a vocal album to boot, which means > for that > > reason alone it will be hated by many fans, and to > continue > > the theme of fan compilation albums, here's my > > compilation album of TD tracks WITH VOCALS!! > Qualification - > > tracks must have vocals which largely feature on > the > > track, and have proper lyrics, rather than just > for a minute... > > > > 1. Bent Cold Sidewalk (Part 1) 4.32 > > 2. Tyger (5.09) > > 3. I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You > (3.58) > > 4. Gloria (3.10) (Well, they may be in latin, but > they are lyrics) > > 5. Rose of Babylon (5.03) > > 6. Rising Runner Missed By Endless Sender (5.02) > > 7. Brother or Stranger (5.03) > > 8. Loved by the Sun (5.56) > > 9. Shy People (8.02) > > 10. London (The Dungeon) (7.11) > > 11. Legend (Demotrack featuring Suzanne > whats-her-name on > > vocals) (3.09) > > 12. Dreamtime (3.40) > > 13. Dancing on a White Moon (3.06) > > 14. Smile (5.54) > > 15. Bent Cold Sidewalk (Part 2) (3.06) > > > > Total time: 72.06 > > > > Hmmm... maybe the running order needs sorting, but > it might > > not be that bad an album. > > Any more suggestions for compilations? > > > > Roger Hartopp > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: chris towers Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 6:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream sings! Hi all, i have to admit that myself, yes i prefer the instrumental TD. however with the lyrical side of the band, with regards to this 'inferno' it seems to be getting a slamming before it is heard by a lot of people. Should we not give it a chance and stop judging it on the past lyrical efforts?? Maybe a lot of people are frightened of change or something different, but even with the Tyger release i enjoyed it, i thought it was well put together. Admittedly not a fave album but non the less different. But i have to agree that yes, the Kiew Mission track for the lyrics is fantastic, one of my favourites. Best Wishes Chris --- Sean Montgomery wrote: > Holy crap....that really is a nightmare compilation. > You should call it 'Give This To Your Friends and > Turn Them Off TD > Forever'. It omits the *only* TD track with spoken > language vocals that I like: Kiew Mission. > > And how about the original 'TD Sings' track: 'Wahn'? > Hee hee! > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 7:05 am Subject: new URL for 'Tangerine Dream Webring' Hi Gang, the 'Tangerine Dream Webring' now has a new URL: http://K.webring.com/hub?ring=thetangerinedrea If you want your TD homepage to be included in the Webring (which has a link on the official Tangerine Dream homepage) just click on the grey 'Join this ring' button on the right upper side. You're welcome! Heiko the 'RingMaster' ;-) From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:24 am Subject: Favourite covers I like Alpha Centauri, Zeit, Atem, Phaedra, Rubycon and Cyclone (plus Aqua and Epsilon). Not keen on Livemiles, Exit, Force Majeure or Le Parc. Toby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29784 Re: Favourite covers Adele Outland Thu 10/25/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream sings! No one could knock London, that track is fantastic! Wahn is great, Kiew Mission also, I love shy People even though it's a copy of Floyd! Matt From: webmaster@j... Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 12:28 pm Subject: Re: The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream sings! > the perfect *with vocals* compilation would be a completely blank disc. > > > www.cat.ismad.com > www.mog.ismad.com > simonheath GREAT! WHERE CAN I BUY IT??? Andreas Hedler From: webmaster@j... Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 1:06 pm Subject: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! Mark Jenkins' AMP-Records just released a new compilation called 'Music For The 3rd Millennium, Vol. 3' including a new track by Johannes Schmoelling: 'Spacenight Runner'. The track was recorded by Johannes especially for that Cd and will not be released on any other record. Check our website (http://www.johannesschmoelling.de) or order it directly at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html The Cd also includes unreleased tracks by ROBERT SCHROEDER, ALQUIMIA Vs. STEVE BALTES (Ash Ra Tempel), MARIO SCHOENWALDER, DETLEF KELLER & BAS BROEKHUIS, HARALD GROSSKOPF (Ash Ra Tempel) and many others. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29559 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released Peter Ravn Wed 10/17/2001 3 KB 29560 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released mengels@w... Wed 10/17/2001 4 KB 29562 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released webmaster@j... Wed 10/17/2001 4 KB 29561 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released webmaster@j... Wed 10/17/2001 3 KB 29563 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released Peter Ravn Wed 10/17/2001 4 KB 29565 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released webmaster@j... Wed 10/17/2001 2 KB 29564 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released Heiko Heerssen Wed 10/17/2001 2 KB 29566 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released Peter Ravn Wed 10/17/2001 3 KB 29567 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released Paul Lawler Wed 10/17/2001 2 KB From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 1:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! who cares :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: [tadream] New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! > Mark Jenkins' AMP-Records just released a new compilation > called 'Music For The 3rd Millennium, Vol. 3' including a new > track by Johannes Schmoelling: 'Spacenight Runner'. > The track was recorded by Johannes especially for that Cd and > will not be released on any other record. > Check our website (http://www.johannesschmoelling.de) > or order it directly at > http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html > The Cd also includes unreleased tracks by ROBERT SCHROEDER, > ALQUIMIA Vs. STEVE BALTES (Ash Ra Tempel), MARIO SCHOENWALDER, > DETLEF KELLER & BAS BROEKHUIS, HARALD GROSSKOPF (Ash Ra > Tempel) and many others. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29560 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released mengels@w... Wed 10/17/2001 4 KB 29562 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released webmaster@j... Wed 10/17/2001 4 KB 29561 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released webmaster@j... Wed 10/17/2001 3 KB From: Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 2:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! Well, I care. One of the best solo members of TD who makes imo great albums. I'm suprised if the people wouldn't care. Now a new CD would even be more 'caring'. :-) Marcel > Quoten Peter Ravn : > > who cares :-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:06 PM > Subject: [tadream] New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on > AMP-compilation! > > > > Mark Jenkins' AMP-Records just released a new compilation > > called 'Music For The 3rd Millennium, Vol. 3' including a new > > track by Johannes Schmoelling: 'Spacenight Runner'. > > The track was recorded by Johannes especially for that Cd and > > will not be released on any other record. > > Check our website (http://www.johannesschmoelling.de) > > or order it directly at > > http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html > > The Cd also includes unreleased tracks by ROBERT SCHROEDER, > > ALQUIMIA Vs. STEVE BALTES (Ash Ra Tempel), MARIO SCHOENWALDER, > > DETLEF KELLER & BAS BROEKHUIS, HARALD GROSSKOPF (Ash Ra > > Tempel) and many others. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29562 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released webmaster@j... Wed 10/17/2001 4 KB From: webmaster@j... Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 1:16 pm Subject: Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! --- In tadream@y..., 'Peter Ravn' wrote: > who cares :-) Do you think there is anybody out there intersted in your not very poetic comment? Many TD-fans are still interested in the music the Ex-members do today, so that was an information for all those! O.K!? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:06 PM > Subject: [tadream] New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on > AMP-compilation! > > > > Mark Jenkins' AMP-Records just released a new compilation > > called 'Music For The 3rd Millennium, Vol. 3' including a new > > track by Johannes Schmoelling: 'Spacenight Runner'. > > The track was recorded by Johannes especially for that Cd and > > will not be released on any other record. > > Check our website (http://www.johannesschmoelling.de) > > or order it directly at > > http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html > > The Cd also includes unreleased tracks by ROBERT SCHROEDER, > > ALQUIMIA Vs. STEVE BALTES (Ash Ra Tempel), MARIO SCHOENWALDER, > > DETLEF KELLER & BAS BROEKHUIS, HARALD GROSSKOPF (Ash Ra > > Tempel) and many others. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: webmaster@j... Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 1:19 pm Subject: Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! Danke Marcel! Dioe neue CD wird kommen! Aber leider nicht mehr in diesem Jahr. :-( Johannes ist leider mit anderen Projekten sehr beschäftigt (terminliche Verpflichtungen!), sodass seine 'privaten Interessen' leider erst in zweiter Reihe stehen. Lieber Gruß, Andreas --- In tadream@y..., wrote: > Well, I care. > One of the best solo members of TD who makes > imo great albums. > I'm suprised if the people wouldn't care. > Now a new CD would even be more 'caring'. :-) > > Marcel > > > Quoten Peter Ravn : > > > > who cares :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:06 PM > > Subject: [tadream] New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on > > AMP-compilation! > > > > > > > Mark Jenkins' AMP-Records just released a new compilation > > > called 'Music For The 3rd Millennium, Vol. 3' including a new > > > track by Johannes Schmoelling: 'Spacenight Runner'. > > > The track was recorded by Johannes especially for that Cd and > > > will not be released on any other record. > > > Check our website (http://www.johannesschmoelling.de) > > > or order it directly at > > > http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html > > > The Cd also includes unreleased tracks by ROBERT SCHROEDER, > > > ALQUIMIA Vs. STEVE BALTES (Ash Ra Tempel), MARIO SCHOENWALDER, > > > DETLEF KELLER & BAS BROEKHUIS, HARALD GROSSKOPF (Ash Ra > > > Tempel) and many others. > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! OK, I have to clarify my comment .... This mailing list is a non-commercial list so therfore... ...another approach .. this list is for individuals who like anything all members of TD of all time have produced... BUT : My point is just that we don't know how that Johannes Schmolling melody sound like .... Just my 2 Euro's Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:16 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! > --- In tadream@y..., 'Peter Ravn' wrote: > > who cares :-) > > Do you think there is anybody out there intersted in your not > very poetic comment? > Many TD-fans are still interested in the music the Ex-members > do today, so that was an information for all those! O.K!? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:06 PM > > Subject: [tadream] New track from Johannes Schmoelling > released on > > AMP-compilation! > > > > > > > Mark Jenkins' AMP-Records just released a new compilation > > > called 'Music For The 3rd Millennium, Vol. 3' including a > new > > > track by Johannes Schmoelling: 'Spacenight Runner'. > > > The track was recorded by Johannes especially for that Cd > and > > > will not be released on any other record. > > > Check our website (http://www.johannesschmoelling.de) > > > or order it directly at > > > http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html > > > The Cd also includes unreleased tracks by ROBERT > SCHROEDER, > > > ALQUIMIA Vs. STEVE BALTES (Ash Ra Tempel), MARIO > SCHOENWALDER, > > > DETLEF KELLER & BAS BROEKHUIS, HARALD GROSSKOPF (Ash Ra > > > Tempel) and many others. > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go > to > > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for > instructions! > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29565 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released webmaster@j... Wed 10/17/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! > Just my 2 Euro's ~LOL~ ...but I would give my last Euro (or Cent) to hear a new track from Johannes, as he always belonged to my fave artists. His next CD 'Recycle or die' also sounds very promising (reminds me of an old slogan from 'Ralph Records': Buy or die!) Heiko From: webmaster@j... Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 1:37 pm Subject: Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! --- In tadream@y..., 'Peter Ravn' wrote: > OK, I have to clarify my comment .... > > This mailing list is a non-commercial list so therfore... Well, Peter, nor me neither Johannes sell that CD. It was just a non-commercial info. ;-) > ...another approach .. this list is for individuals who like anything all > members of TD of all time have produced... > > BUT : > > My point is just that we don't know how that Johannes Schmolling melody > sound like .... You even don't know how the next TD album will sound or the next PINK FLOYD or whatever! Try to get an audio file of Johannes' track from somebody who WILL pay his last EURO (Heiko ;-) and check it yourself! > Just my 2 Euro's > > Peter best wishes, Andreas From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 1:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! Sorry, I did not want to upset anybody, BUT AMP records doesn't have the best record.... best to avoid them.... I thought TD have some trouble with them ( or him Mark Jenkins) I too like Schmoelling records very much!! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! > > > > Just my 2 Euro's > > ~LOL~ > ...but I would give my last Euro (or Cent) to hear a new track from Johannes, as he a, Idid not lways belonged to my fave artists. His > next CD 'Recycle or die' also sounds very promising (reminds me of an old slogan from 'Ralph Records': Buy or die!) > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 1:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! > who cares :-) > ----- Original Message ----- I do , I ordered the CD just because of that track . JS is one of the very very few EM acts worth paying money for .Did somebody mention a new album by JS as well ???? 'Recycle or Die' I think ??? As his webmaster is here can you tell us if any of JS`s soundtracks are/will be available . Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29569 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released webmaster@j... Wed 10/17/2001 3 KB From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 1:44 pm Subject: Pressing the lemon Look at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html Johannes Schmoelling left TD for 16 years ago - so using that in a advert is not a correct manner of behaviour :-( Don't get me wrong I like his music. Peter ----- Original Mehat ssage ----- From: 'Peter Ravn' To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! > Sorry, I did not want to upset anybody, BUT AMP records doesn't have the > best record.... best to avoid them.... > I thought TD have some trouble with them ( or him Mark Jenkins) > > I too like Schmoelling records very much!! > > Peter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Heiko Heerssen' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on > AMP-compilation! > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 Euro's > > > > ~LOL~ > > ...but I would give my last Euro (or Cent) to hear a new track from > Johannes, as he a, Idid not lways belonged to my fave artists. His > > next CD 'Recycle or die' also sounds very promising (reminds me of an old > slogan from 'Ralph Records': Buy or die!) > > > > Heiko > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29570 Re: Pressing the lemon webmaster@j... Wed 10/17/2001 2 KB 29573 Re: Pressing the lemon ampmusic Wed 10/17/2001 2 KB From: webmaster@j... Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 1:54 pm Subject: Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! Dear Paul and all the others! 'here is the news' ;-) 1. Johannes next album will be a german radio play (Hörstück) called 'Laufen' written by Dirk Josczok with background music and sounds by Johannes. 2. his next real solo album will be 'Recycle Or Die:' (note the ':' at the end! ;-) 3. YES! Some of his soundtrack music will be released on CD during the next years! Any questions? Andreas Hedler webmaster@j... --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Lawler' wrote: > > > who cares :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > I do , I ordered the CD just because of that track . JS is one of the very > very few EM acts worth paying money for .Did somebody mention a new album by > JS as well ???? 'Recycle or Die' I think ??? > As his webmaster is here can you tell us if any of JS`s soundtracks are/will > be available . > > Paul From: webmaster@j... Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 1:56 pm Subject: Re: Pressing the lemon --- In tadream@y..., 'Peter Ravn' wrote: > Look at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html > > Johannes Schmoelling left TD for 16 years ago - so using that in a advert is > not a correct manner of behaviour :-( > Don't get me wrong I like his music. > > Peter Yeah! I also got big eyes when I saw that! That was mark Jenkins' idea. I think he should have writeen Ex-Tangerine Dream or even nothing. That would be better, but... Andreas From: ampmusic Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 2:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! Peter Ravn wrote: > Sorry, I did not want to upset anybody, BUT AMP records doesn't have the > best record.... best to avoid them.... > I thought TD have some trouble with them (or him Mark Jenkins) > > I too like Schmoelling records very much!! > > Peter Dear Peter, You have never dealt with AMP Records, so your opinion and advice are not worth very much. If you describe TD being sued for stealing a five thousand pound advance payment as 'trouble', then you're right. If not, keep you misinformation to yourself. Meanwhile, look who wants to be on the '3rd Millennium' compilations; Keith Emerson Rick Wakeman Patrick Moraz Isao Tomita Geoff Downes (Asia) Damo Suzuki (Can) Martyn Ware (Heaven 17) Karl Bartos (Kraftwerk) etc. etc. etc. And all these people were dealt with directly, not through third parties. So probably the opinion of these people is worth a little more than yours... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29582 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released chris towers Wed 10/17/2001 3 KB From: vic rek Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 2:05 pm Subject: AMP TD/Solo Pressings Speaking of AMP Records, I have the AMP 'Tyranny of Beauty' pressing for trade. Does anyone have any AMP pressings of Steve Jolliffe to trade (except ZANZI)?? Can anyone post the entire TD-related AMP catalog? Vic > Sorry, I did not want to upset anybody, BUT AMP records doesn't have the > best record.... best to avoid them.... > I thought TD have some trouble with them ( or him Mark Jenkins) > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29574 Re: AMP TD/Solo Pressings ampmusic Wed 10/17/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 3:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Pressing the lemon errrr..well Geoff Downes isn't in Buggles any more either :-) For that matter, as of a few weeks ago Warren Cuccurullo isn't in Duran Duran. It's only, like, a reminder for those less well informed who can't place the names... webmaster@j... wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., 'Peter Ravn' wrote: > > Look at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html > > > > Johannes Schmoelling left TD for 16 years ago - so using > that in a advert is > > not a correct manner of behaviour :-( > > Don't get me wrong I like his music. > > > > Peter > > Yeah! I also got big eyes when I saw that! That was mark > Jenkins' idea. I think he should have writeen Ex-Tangerine > Dream or even nothing. That would be better, but... > > Andreas From: ampmusic Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 3:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] AMP TD/Solo Pressings It's on the website; http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/amporders.html with full descriptions at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html vic rek wrote: > Speaking of AMP Records, I have the AMP 'Tyranny of Beauty' pressing for trade. > > Does anyone have any AMP pressings of Steve Jolliffe to trade (except ZANZI)?? > > Can anyone post the entire TD-related AMP catalog? > > Vic From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 2:10 pm Subject: album covers Granted a lot of it looks like it could be a demo for KPT - perhaps even Bryce. Hope Corel is giving them some money! But seriously, I like them. Forgot about Stratosfear and Force Majeure. I like those a lot. The fact that the recent stuff looks very similar does give it a certain 'branding' quality IMO. Sean wrote... <<>> From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 2:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! Dear Mr. Nobody How do you know ? I maybe have more info about AMP than you like. I think people should judge for themselves and I don't like this mailing list turning into a Mall. I like fans who have bought and heard and loved the music! I can understand their feelings, but not salesmens 'feelings', sorry! Just my 2.000.000 Euro's Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: 'ampmusic' To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! > > Peter Ravn wrote: > > > Sorry, I did not want to upset anybody, BUT AMP records doesn't have the > > best record.... best to avoid them.... > > I thought TD have some trouble with them (or him Mark Jenkins) > > > > I too like Schmoelling records very much!! > > > > Peter > > Dear Peter, > > You have never dealt with AMP Records, so your opinion and advice are not worth very much. > > If you describe TD being sued for stealing a five thousand pound advance payment as 'trouble', then you're right. > > If not, keep you misinformation to yourself. > > Meanwhile, look who wants to be on the '3rd Millennium' compilations; > > Keith Emerson > Rick Wakeman > Patrick Moraz > Isao Tomita > Geoff Downes (Asia) > Damo Suzuki (Can) > Martyn Ware (Heaven 17) > Karl Bartos (Kraftwerk) > etc. > etc. > etc. > > And all these people were dealt with directly, not through third parties. So probably the opinion of these people is worth a > little more than yours... > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 4:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP -compilation! wow, Peter. I hope you were kidding. Andreas, thank you for the announcement and for keeping in touch. I (and I'm sure others) hope to see an announcement from you that Johannes is releasing a new album of his own soon! Sincerely, Joe Shoults Listowner > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Ravn [mailto:pr@r...] > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:10 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on > AMP-compilation! > > > who cares :-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:06 PM > Subject: [tadream] New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on > AMP-compilation! > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29581 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released chris towers Wed 10/17/2001 3 KB 29612 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released webmaster@j... 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Ive heard from somewhere (shoot me i cant remember where) that theres talk of a Johannes Schmoelling album being released on the TDI Label, if i come across the info again ill mail it on here, unless someone has seen it aswell and beats me to it ?? Chris --- Joe Shoults wrote: > wow, Peter. I hope you were kidding. > > Andreas, thank you for the announcement and for > keeping in touch. I (and > I'm sure others) hope to see an announcement from > you that Johannes is > releasing a new album of his own soon! > > Sincerely, > Joe Shoults > Listowner > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Peter Ravn [mailto:pr@r...] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:10 AM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] New track from Johannes > Schmoelling released on > > AMP-compilation! > > > > > > who cares :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:06 PM > > Subject: [tadream] New track from Johannes > Schmoelling released on > > AMP-compilation! > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29612 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released webmaster@j... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB 29623 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released chris towers Thu 10/18/2001 3 KB From: chris towers Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 5:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! Just seen your ;list of musicians there, and yes some good ones, i have a few Tomita albums on vinyl, what do you think to his work ?? Chris --- ampmusic wrote: > > Peter Ravn wrote: > > > Sorry, I did not want to upset anybody, BUT AMP > records doesn't have the > > best record.... best to avoid them.... > > I thought TD have some trouble with them (or him > Mark Jenkins) > > > > I too like Schmoelling records very much!! > > > > Peter > > Dear Peter, > > You have never dealt with AMP Records, so your > opinion and advice are not worth very much. > > If you describe TD being sued for stealing a five > thousand pound advance payment as 'trouble', then > you're right. > > If not, keep you misinformation to yourself. > > Meanwhile, look who wants to be on the '3rd > Millennium' compilations; > > Keith Emerson > Rick Wakeman > Patrick Moraz > Isao Tomita > Geoff Downes (Asia) > Damo Suzuki (Can) > Martyn Ware (Heaven 17) > Karl Bartos (Kraftwerk) > etc. > etc. > etc. > > And all these people were dealt with directly, not > through third parties. So probably the opinion of > these people is worth a > little more than yours... > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 5:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP -compilation! I think it was in the translation of that recent interview with Jerome.... Though I also recall a comment a LONG time ago, about ZOO being re-issued on TDI, but then it showed up on another label... There was also talk of some Paul Haslinger stiff coming out on Sonic Images, but that never happened either. >>> cjt999fire2000@y... 10/17/01 01:17PM >>> Ive heard from somewhere (shoot me i cant remember where) that theres talk of a Johannes Schmoelling album being released on the TDI Label, if i come across the info again ill mail it on here, unless someone has seen it aswell and beats me to it ?? Chris --- Joe Shoults wrote: > wow, Peter. I hope you were kidding. > > Andreas, thank you for the announcement and for > keeping in touch. I (and > I'm sure others) hope to see an announcement from > you that Johannes is > releasing a new album of his own soon! > > Sincerely, > Joe Shoults > Listowner > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Peter Ravn [mailto:pr@r...] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:10 AM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] New track from Johannes > Schmoelling released on > > AMP-compilation! > > > > > > who cares :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:06 PM > > Subject: [tadream] New track from Johannes > Schmoelling released on > > AMP-compilation! > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 5:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The nightmare compilation - Tangerine Dream sings! Whoa, you've really been active lately... 37 messages from this group since my last visit. So what. 37 is my lucky number. >Hi all, i have to admit that myself, yes i prefer the >instrumental TD. Why I like TD is mainly their mostly absolute instrumentality. I about 99% dislike vocals. They too often have the main role, or force the listener to take a certain direction in interpreting the music. >Holy crap....that really is a nightmare compilation.  You should call it >'Give >This To Your Friends and Turn Them Off TD >Forever'.  It omits the *only* TD track with spoken language vocals that I >like: >Kiew Mission. > >And how about the original 'TD Sings' track: 'Wahn'?  Hee hee! I really like Kiew Mission, but it's not the vocals. They're not bad, but not great either. Wahn is good, very surreal, but I'd rather prefer the last 5 mins of Alpha Centauri - that's *the* original TD With Vocals, not Wahn. Captivatingly intense. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] compilations >Any more suggestions for compilations? > Just ask. I can invent dozens of compilations in a second. Remember my 'TD Winter' compilation a while ago? Here are a few more... --- 'Symphonies' (will need at least 3 disks) Zeit Phaedra Ricochet Part 2 Cherokee Lane Tangram Set 1 Logos (whole!) Poland (1st half) Song Of The Whale Livemiles (West Berlin Concert) --- What It Takes To Get A View Of What This TD Thing Is All About Rubycon Part 1 Network 23 Yellowstone Park Dolphin Dance Art Of Vision --- Want more? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29597 Re: compilations Geir Smedsrud Wed 10/17/2001 2 KB 29616 Re: compilations webmaster@j... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB From: 'simon heath' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 5:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The nightmare /Kiew Mission /Kiew Mission is it in Russian? www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29613 Re: The nightmare /Kiew Mission webmaster@j... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 6:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! Tomita-san is THE MAN. Obviously his sound synthesis tended towards imitative symphonic sounds as contrasted with TD's interest in more abstract sounds - which has disappeared over the years. But as an orchestral composer he has an intuitive feel for making the (potentially rather static) sounds of analog synths become very full and moving (in every sense of the word), and a lot of other synth composers could learn from him. There's a nice picture of us together on 'Music for the 3rd Millennium' Vol. 1 :-) chris towers wrote: > Just seen your ;list of musicians there, and yes some > good ones, i have a few Tomita albums on vinyl, what > do you think to his work ?? > > Chris From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 6:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] slim pickings Okayyy... here we go: (Some of these are judged only by the official discography pictures.) Electronic Meditation: Anarchic. But I guess that that was what they wanted. Alpha Centauri: This looks a wee bit too psychedelic to be accurate. Zeit: Brilliant choice. Even though it is a bit too suggestive. Rubycon: Very smooth, but I think that the back picture is too green. Ricochet: The best one I know. The dark, mysterious photo by Monique exactly pictures the music. Stratosfear: Nice idea, but they tried too much. Would have needed a bit more work. Force Majeure: Great, almost minimalistic. But this would have been better as a cover for Atem IMHO... Tangram: I like this one (I have the red version) for some unknown reason. It's very relaxing, yet suggestive, and it gives plenty of freedom in interpreting. White Eagle: The back picture is a great abstract work in all its simplicity. Hyperborea: Looks mysterious, it pulls you within it. Poland: see Stratosfear Le Parc: Aghh. This starts an awful collage series. Livemiles: The photos of Monique are once again brilliantly surreal like the music of her husband as well. Optical Race: Stimulatingly geometric. The covers from 220 Volt onwards seem to largely rely on various fractals of other fancy bright-coloured art. I think that this is a lazy solution. Something like Goblin's Club would have been _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 5:52 pm Subject: Tomita On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:19:18 -0700 (PDT) chris towers writes: > Just seen your ;list of musicians there, and yes some > good ones, i have a few Tomita albums on vinyl, what > do you think to his work ?? Godawful all-over-the-place stuff. Reminds me of Wendy Carlos' BEAUTY IN THE BEAST. Tomita obviously has talent, but I dislike his 'music' intensely. It's less coherent than that on ELECTRONIC MEDITATION, fer chrissakes! > Chris Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29592 Re: Tomita simon heath Wed 10/17/2001 2 KB 29594 Re: Tomita Synthhtnys@a... Wed 10/17/2001 3 KB 29615 Re: Tomita webmaster@j... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB 29595 Re: Tomita ampmusic Wed 10/17/2001 3 KB 29624 Re: Tomita chris towers Thu 10/18/2001 4 KB 29610 Re: Tomita mengels@w... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB 29617 Re: Tomita Heiko Heerssen Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB 29643 Re: Tomita Synthhtnys@a... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] slim pickings Okayyy... here we go: (Some of these are judged only by the official discography pictures.) Electronic Meditation: Anarchic. But I guess that that was what they wanted. Alpha Centauri: This looks too psychedelic to be accurate. Zeit: Brilliant choice. Even though it is a bit too suggestive. Rubycon: Very smooth, but I think that the back picture is too green. Ricochet: The best cover I know. The dark, mysterious photo by Monique exactly pictures the music. Stratosfear: Nice idea, but they tried too much. Would have needed a bit more work. Force Majeure: Great, almost minimalistic. But this would have been better as a cover for Atem IMHO... Tangram: I like this one (I have the red version) for some unknown reason. It's very relaxing, yet suggestive, and it gives plenty of freedom in interpreting. White Eagle: The back picture is a great abstract work in all its simplicity. Hyperborea: Looks mysterious, it pulls you within it. Poland: see Stratosfear Le Parc: Aghh. This starts an awful collage series. Livemiles: The photos of Monique are once again brilliantly surreal like the music of her husband as well. Optical Race: Stimulatingly geometric. The covers from 220 Volt onwards seem to largely rely on various fractals of other fancy bright-coloured art. I think that this is a lazy solution. Something like Goblin's Club would have been (oops, accidentally clicked the send button) ...been better. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Kiew Mission >/Kiew Mission > >is it in Russian? > Yes? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'simon heath' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 6:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tomita > Tomita > Godawful all-over-the-place stuff. Reminds me of >Wendy Carlos' BEAUTY IN THE BEAST. well I liked it(up till about 1980) esp. his Planet Suite and his Bermuda triangley one.And his early Snowflakes are dancing . But they always had a funny mix biased toward boomy bass that sounded odd on my old records, maybe the CDs are better. www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 6:20 pm Subject: H.P.Lovecraft & other ideas I know there are many bands out there which specifically aim at H.P. Lovecraft - type music, but I haven't heard any of those. But I think that TD also manages - probably unintentionally - to achieve HPL music, primarily during the Franke-Froese-Baumann era. Try to read some book of him while playing Rubycon or Zeit or Atem in the background and prepare to be thrilled. I would also juxtapose some of the more symphonic pieces - Rubycon or Ricochet - with Erich Zann, and: '...muffled, maddening beating of vile drums and the thin, monotonous whine of accursed flutes...' Doesn't this describe e.g. Fly & Collision of Comas Sola, or Astral Voyager, or some others, very well? --- CDR copyrights. Debate. --- Non Trivial Self-Plagiation: -Is that melody of Monolight just before the more clearly copied one starts, also copied? I'm almost sure I've heard it somewhere else... -I'm sure that the first half of Poland is based on the first half of Mojave Plan, and that Polish Dance is a remix of Choronzon and/or the 2nd to last section of Logos. Right? -Is the final fadeout of Song Of The Whale a copy from Kiew Mission, or is it just my imagination? Well, you get the picture... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29607 Re: H.P.Lovecraft & other ideas Synthhtnys@a... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB 29614 Re: H.P.Lovecraft & other ideas webmaster@j... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 6:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tomita Godawful all-over-the-place stuff. Reminds me of Wendy Carlos' BEAUTY IN THE BEAST. Tomita obviously has talent, but I dislike his 'music' intensely. It's less coherent than that on ELECTRONIC MEDITATION, fer chrissakes! > Chris *Wow. That's even more wildly inaccurate than usual, Steve. Whether or not you like his music, to say it's less coherent than TD's EM is just plain wrong. This isn't about subjectivity... He exclusively interprets classical music...So it's not really 'his' music. These, by the way are called compositions Steve, not free form rock/ noise like 'Electronic Meditation'. My criticism of Tomita would be that he has a tendency for very 'cartoony' FX especially on the later works... Poly P.S. If you want to dip into Tomita I'd recommend 'Snowflakes are Dancing' or 'The Planets' The latter was chosen by Keyboard magazine as one of the top twenty most important electronic albums of all time, the latter has the least amount of cheesy FX... and is for the most part very tastefully done interpretations of Debussy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29615 Re: Tomita webmaster@j... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 7:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tomita scfeldman@j... wrote: > On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:19:18 -0700 (PDT) chris towers > writes: > > > Just seen your list of musicians there, and yes some > > good ones, i have a few Tomita albums on vinyl, what > > do you think to his work ?? > > Godawful all-over-the-place stuff. Reminds me of > Wendy Carlos' BEAUTY IN THE BEAST. Tomita > obviously has talent, but I dislike his 'music' intensely. > It's less coherent than that on ELECTRONIC MEDITATION, > fer chrissakes! > > > Chris > > Steven Feldman Errrrrr.....are you talking about the same Tomita? That's ISAO Tomita, of 'Snowflakes are Dancing' and 'Pictures at An Exhibition'? All-over-the-place? If you said it was too conventional that would be one thing, but to compare these mostly classical pieces to Wendy Carlos' 'Beauty In The Beast' which is rather abstract and written in Just Intonation (i.e, 'not in tune' to the conventional ear) is strange to the point of weirdness. So nice versions of Debussy are less coherent than the music on 'Electronic Meditation'? Derrrrrrr....well, it's an interesting opinion. Perhaps you're talking about Tomita's original film music? But the only bits I've heard of that are pretty conventional. Coherence is their middle name :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29624 Re: Tomita chris towers Thu 10/18/2001 4 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 7:02 pm Subject: Tomita and Phillip Glass: Yick On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:25:43 EDT Synthhtnys@a... writes: > Godawful all-over-the-place stuff. Reminds me of > Wendy Carlos' BEAUTY IN THE BEAST. Tomita > obviously has talent, but I dislike his 'music' intensely. > It's less coherent than that on ELECTRONIC MEDITATION, > fer chrissakes! > > *Wow. That's even more wildly inaccurate than usual, Steve. Gee, thanks -- I think. ;) >Whether or not you like his music, to say it's less coherent >than TD's EM is just plain wrong. This isn't about >subjectivity... Oh, thank you, Mr. Omniscient. ;) > He exclusively interprets classical music...So it's not >really 'his' music. Oh, no wonder I don't like it, then. I generally don't like classical music. (Note conspicuous lack of smiley.) >These, by the way are called compositions Steve, not free >form rock/ noise like 'Electronic Meditation'. I suppose, but to *my* ears, the result is similar: cacophony -- or caca. ;) >P.S. If you want to dip into Tomita I don't. I've heard PICTURES AT AN EXHIBITION a number of times, and two of his other albums, and I find them to be as nauseating as a Liquid Mind CD. By the way, another classical electronic musician whose music I detest is Phillip Glass. Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29605 Re: Tomita and Phillip Glass: Yick Synthhtnys@a... Wed 10/17/2001 2 KB From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] compilations At 20:40 17.10.01 +0300, you wrote: > >Any more suggestions for compilations? > > > > >Just ask. I can invent dozens of compilations in a second. Remember my 'TD >Winter' compilation a while ago? Here are a few more... >--- >Want more? > >John Vertical > Yes, what about a 'TD interprets other artists'-compilation? Admittedly I personally only know of - hmm 2 tracks - ; 'Purple Haze' and 'House of the Rising Sun'. Is it possible to fill up a disc? Best Regards Geir Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29616 Re: compilations webmaster@j... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! sorry for not paying closer attention to this thread, folks. while I agree that I don't want the list turned into a 'mall', I maintain that I want to support our friends here, and the bands of TD and past members, within reason. I don't think, for example, that promoting Marcel's recent Philly show, or if Paul issues a new Arcane release turns it into a mall. I would even put a link in the footer for a Schmoelling new release (doh! I missed the mention of 2 upcoming releases in my last post!). If you think it's getting too heavy-handed, though, I *do* want that kind of feedback. Ultimately, the user experience here should be positive, and any info on commercial ventures or releases by list members or TD current/past members should be of pertinent and salient interest to members. Thanks guys, for not letting any disagreements or debates get personal. Joe > -----Original Message----- > Dear Mr. Nobody ... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29611 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released mengels@w... Thu 10/18/2001 3 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] compilations Geir Smedsrud wrote: > Yes, what about a 'TD interprets other artists'-compilation? Admittedly I > personally only know of - hmm 2 tracks - ; 'Purple Haze' and 'House of the > Rising Sun'. Is it possible to fill up a disc? Not a whole disc. But there's certainly Eleanor Rigby...and also their versions of classical pieces - Pictures at an Exhibition, Largo, Symphony in A Minor. You could also get really liberal in your interpretation of 'interpretation'. 'Sun Gate' was based on a song that Ralf Wadelful wrote with his previous band. And wasn't their theme from The Keep based on music from 'The Snowman'? Their theme for Shy People is a direct rip-off of Pink Floyd's 'Shine on Your Crazy Diamond'. Plus, it's been argued that Love on a Real Train was influenced by Reich's 'Music for 18 Musicians'. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:38 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] compilations Don't forget their cover of Eleanor Rigby from Dream Encores. And if you count classical composers, the list gets longer (Pictures at an Exhibition for example). > -----Original Message----- > From: Geir Smedsrud [mailto:rsmedsru@o...] > Yes, what about a 'TD interprets other artists'-compilation? > Admittedly I > personally only know of - hmm 2 tracks - ; 'Purple Haze' and > 'House of the > Rising Sun'. Is it possible to fill up a disc? From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:43 pm Subject: Ads on-list I agree. A one-time announcement of something that is very definitely on-topic (like a new release of a former band-member) could hardly be considered spam, and is most appropriate. James > -----Original Message----- > I want to support our friends here, and the bands of TD and past > members, within reason. I don't think, for example, that > promoting Marcel's > recent Philly show, or if Paul issues a new Arcane release > turns it into a > mall. From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:54 pm Subject: Shy People / Shine on... Sean, > -----Original Message----- > Their theme > for Shy People is a direct rip-off of Pink Floyd's 'Shine on > Your Crazy Diamond'. Where do you get that? Shy People is cheesy synth-pop except for the pretty cool 'ooh' intro (which is the same chord progression as Tyger) and doesn't sound REMOTELY similar to the PF MASTERPIECE 'Shine on You Crazy Diamond'. I haven't done a side-by-side, but I know both pieces well enough to play them back mentally, and I just don't hear the similarity. I guess they are sort of constructed similarly, but that's an EXTREMELY loose association you can give to lots of stuff. James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29603 Re: Shy People / Shine on... Michael Jean Wed 10/17/2001 3 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shy People / Shine on... Try playing the intro again James....The first time I played Shy People (instrumental version), I thought I had WIsh You Were Here in the multi changer and had selected the wrong disc... It is a dead ringer for Shine On, though I forget which part... MJ >>> james.owens@m... 10/17/01 04:54PM >>> Sean, > -----Original Message----- > Their theme > for Shy People is a direct rip-off of Pink Floyd's 'Shine on > Your Crazy Diamond'. Where do you get that? Shy People is cheesy synth-pop except for the pretty cool 'ooh' intro (which is the same chord progression as Tyger) and doesn't sound REMOTELY similar to the PF MASTERPIECE 'Shine on You Crazy Diamond'. I haven't done a side-by-side, but I know both pieces well enough to play them back mentally, and I just don't hear the similarity. I guess they are sort of constructed similarly, but that's an EXTREMELY loose association you can give to lots of stuff. James ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:20 pm Subject: what were the other 19? >The latter was chosen by Keyboard magazine as one of the top twenty most important electronic albums of all time< OK, I'll bite--what were the other 19? Did they mention any non-keyboard electronic albums? --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29606 Re: what were the other 19? Synthhtnys@a... Wed 10/17/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tomita and Phillip Glass: Yick > > *Wow. That's even more wildly inaccurate than usual, Steve. > > Gee, thanks -- I think. ;) *Wellll... I remember someone saying on the spacemusic list that in twenty years Robert Carty will be more famous than Brian Eno..... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] what were the other 19? >The latter was chosen by Keyboard magazine as one of the top twenty most important electronic albums of all time< OK, I'll bite--what were the other 19? Did they mention any non-keyboard electronic albums? *Oh jeez.... you want me to go into the scary depths of my garage and go through stacks of old Keyboard magazines????? Sorry. I can tell you it was an issue.... ummm somwhere in the '90's well, that narrows it down SOME! ;-) And I'm pretty sure TD was in there... I believe it was Phaedra. Non- Keyboard albums in Keyboard magazine??? I doubt it. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 2:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] H.P.Lovecraft & other ideas << I know there are many bands out there which specifically aim at H.P. Lovecraft - type music, but I haven't heard any of those. But I think that TD also manages - probably unintentionally - to achieve HPL music, primarily during the Franke-Froese-Baumann era. >> *Well, sorry for the shameless self-promotion, but you might want to check out my band 'Dweller at the Threshold' the title of which would be familiar to an HPL fan... we do music in the 'Baumann' vein... if you go to the www.hypnos.com site and look in the Binary section there should be some soundbites to check out... Poly From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 4:19 am Subject: Carty Over Eno On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:28:14 EDT Synthhtnys@a... writes: > Wellll... I remember someone saying on the spacemusic >list that in twenty years Robert Carty will be more famous >than Brian Eno..... Insofar as Carty will have a larger body of work worth listening to, yes. I don't think I said that he would be more famous -- because Eno is more historically significant as an innovator -- only that Carty would wind up being more revered among devotees of spacemusic because of both the quality and quantity of his work. But this is offtopic. To bring it ontopic, I think it is pathetic that Pink Floyd and Kraftwerk are both more famous than Tangerine Dream -- but at least Moroder is more famous than all three combined, so there is *some* justice in the world. ;) >Poly Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty: 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers: 1493 Greenwood Avenue; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. MAJOR E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Moroder -- *not* Kraftwerk! +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | TD DISCOGRAPHY http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/tadream2.html | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 5:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] More Blank than Frank << > Wellll... I remember someone saying on the spacemusic >list that in twenty years Robert Carty will be more famous >than Brian Eno..... Insofar as Carty will have a larger body of work worth listening to, yes. I don't think I said that he would be more famous -- because Eno is more historically significant as an innovator -- only that Carty would wind up being more revered among devotees of spacemusic because of both the quality and quantity of his work. >> *There was a stink about how you worded it alright... There's no problem with a preference for Carty, but I think it's safe to say that he won't be more revered than Eno. You know I admire Carty's music myself and have done quite a bit to promote it.... But no, he won't be more anything than Eno.... except maybe prolific. 12 albums in one year, I still can't believe it! Poly From: Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 8:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tomita > On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:19:18 -0700 (PDT) chris towers > writes: > > > Just seen your ;list of musicians there, and yes some > > good ones, i have a few Tomita albums on vinyl, what > > do you think to his work ?? Imo most excellent works. His choir and string sound are incredible. He's got some silly lead sound but I guess that was his intention...to let classical music not sound too serious. I wouldn't mind hearing a serious classical piece with electronic equipment though. I personally don't like Carlos that much, I find the sounds too thin and it is played like a computer. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 8:50 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP-compilation! > Quoten Joe Shoults : > > while I agree that I don't want the list turned into a 'mall', I maintain > that I want to support our friends here, and the bands of TD and past > members, within reason. I don't think, for example, that promoting Marcel's > recent Philly show, or if Paul issues a new Arcane release turns it into a > mall. I would even put a link in the footer for a Schmoelling new release > (doh! I missed the mention of 2 upcoming releases in my last post!). > > If you think it's getting too heavy-handed, though, I *do* want that kind of > feedback. Ultimately, the user experience here should be positive, and any > info on commercial ventures or releases by list members or TD current/past > members should be of pertinent and salient interest to members. The minute these things can't be discussed/said on this list anymore I will unsubscribe I think. I personally don't mind if there are anouncements about e-artists playing somewhere...it's only to let people know that there is something going on, maybe even in your neighbourhood. I know this is a TD list but I think there should be some freedom. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: webmaster@j... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 8:17 am Subject: Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP -compilation! --- In tadream@y..., chris towers wrote: > Ive heard from somewhere (shoot me i cant remember > where) that theres talk of a Johannes Schmoelling > album being released on the TDI Label, if i come > across the info again ill mail it on here, unless > someone has seen it aswell and beats me to it ?? > > Chris Not true! Why should TDI release a Johannes Schmoelling album when Johannes owns his very own label VIKTORIAPARK records? Maybe someone recommended Johannes to release an album on TDI, befor VIKTORIAPARK was launched? I don't know where this rumour came from! Andreas Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29623 Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released chris towers Thu 10/18/2001 3 KB From: webmaster@j... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 8:22 am Subject: Re: The nightmare /Kiew Mission --- In tadream@y..., 'simon heath' wrote: > /Kiew Mission > > is it in Russian? Yes! I think it recall every continent of the world. Andreas From: webmaster@j... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 8:33 am Subject: Re: H.P.Lovecraft & other ideas --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > I know there are many bands out there which specifically aim at H.P. > Lovecraft - type music, but I haven't heard any of those. Hi John, I'm not only the webmaster and distributor of Johannes Schmoelling but also of a very unknown German EM band called DHARANA (soon at www.dharana.de) (which I co-founded). They made a MC called 'Pnacotic Sounds' which is an hommage to HPL and also released a CD called 'Galery Of Flavours' including the track 'Weird Tales' (sic!). At the moment I am to copy the MC to CD-R and make a CD-cover out of the little MC-picture. Interessted? Andreas From: webmaster@j... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 8:37 am Subject: Re: Tomita > 'The Planets' The latter was chosen by Keyboard magazine as one of the top > twenty most important electronic albums of all time, the latter has the least > amount of cheesy FX... and is for the most part very tastefully done > interpretations of Debussy. 'The Planets' were composed by Gustav Holst not Debussy! Nevertheless a great album!!! Andreas From: webmaster@j... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 8:49 am Subject: Re: compilations > Yes, what about a 'TD interprets other artists'-compilation? Admittedly I > personally only know of - hmm 2 tracks - ; 'Purple Haze' and 'House of the > Rising Sun'. Is it possible to fill up a disc? Oh, as far as I can remember thy also did their own versions of Mussorgsky's 'Pictures Of An Exhibition' (hi Tomita!) and also 'Eleanor Rigby' by a band called Beatles or so. Andreas From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 9:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tomita > 'The Planets' were composed by Gustav Holst not Debussy! > Nevertheless a great album!!! My knowledge of classical music is quite limited, but to me 'The Planets' is simply a masterpiece! Heiko n.p.: TD Bernau 7.10.2001 1st show :-) From: webmaster@j... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 9:27 am Subject: Johannes Schmoelling at the 15. filmfest in Braunschweig On November 11th 2001 Johannes Schmoelling will be at the 15th filmfest in Braunschweig! He will not play music, but will talk about the making of the soundtrack to the movie 'Thief' which will be shown on that day! For more information please check teh homepage of the filmfest: http://forum.gaertner.de/filmfest/ Andreas Hedler webmaster@j... From: rubyconist@y... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 9:32 am Subject: Re: Alpha Centauri --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > >I would say that the coffee machine is found in the title track. > > > >Regards, > >TheInfection > > > > > Me too, but it's a 22 minute track after all, so if anyone already knows, it > would be a good save of time. I really wouldn't want to listen it with a > magnifying glass. (well, I hope you understood) > > John Vertical Perhaps the coffee machine is that low humming sound that is heard (for example) in the very beginning of the first track. Of course it might be caused by a mixing error or bad equipment. Regards, TheInfection Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29620 Long tracks ...... Matthew Stringer Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 9:43 am Subject: Long tracks ...... I heard a DJ on the radio complaining about some new album, saying that it was full of really long tracks about 5 or 6 minutes in length! Most of the tunes I listen to are just begining to warm up by the 6 minute mark! I think the DJ would run off screaming into the night if he was shown an early TD album! :) Matt From: webmaster@j... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 9:58 am Subject: Re: Long tracks ...... --- In tadream@y..., Matthew Stringer wrote: > I heard a DJ on the radio complaining about some new album, saying that it > was full of really long tracks about 5 or 6 minutes in length! > > Most of the tunes I listen to are just begining to warm up by the 6 minute > mark! > > I think the DJ would run off screaming into the night if he was shown an > early TD album! :) > > Matt I think the biggest problem of playing long track si sthat they will not fit inbetween the many ads they have to place! Did somebody ever heard a Klaus Schulze track on the radio? (remember 'Picasso geht spazieren' from his SILVER EDITION?) ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29626 Re: Long tracks ...... John Vertical Thu 10/18/2001 3 KB 29631 Re: Long tracks ...... Matthew Stringer Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB 29639 Re: Long tracks ...... toby.braddick@u... Thu 10/18/2001 4 KB 29645 Re: Long tracks ...... moxica@m... Thu 10/18/2001 3 KB 29647 Re: Long tracks ...... simon heath Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB 29651 Re: Long tracks ...... John Vertical Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB 29659 Re: Long tracks ...... quarlie@a... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB 29662 Re: Long tracks ...... Jim Moore Fri 10/19/2001 3 KB 29692 Re: Long tracks ...... Deb H-J Sat 10/20/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 10:55 am Subject: 'Force Majeure' pinball game..?! I just found the ultimate Tangerine Dream game on the German eBAY site, take a look at this (before it's too late, because I don't believe it's official): http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285287781 Heiko (Pinball wizard ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29664 Re: 'Force Majeure' pinball game..?! PERGAMON Fri 10/19/2001 3 KB From: chris towers Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 10:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New track from Johannes Schmoelling released on AMP -compilation! Yeah i can understand your point there, i found the source of where it came from and it was on one of those mailing points on here with the JF interviews. I have deleted them now but on my own part may have read it wrong. Im pleased JS has his own list now, a classic musician with stacks of talent. Chris --- webmaster@j... wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., chris towers > wrote: > > Ive heard from somewhere (shoot me i cant remember > > where) that theres talk of a Johannes Schmoelling > > album being released on the TDI Label, if i come > > across the info again ill mail it on here, unless > > someone has seen it aswell and beats me to it ?? > > > > Chris > > Not true! > Why should TDI release a Johannes Schmoelling album > when > Johannes owns his very own label VIKTORIAPARK > records? > Maybe someone recommended Johannes to release an > album on TDI, > befor VIKTORIAPARK was launched? I don't know where > this > rumour came from! > Andreas > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: chris towers Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 11:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tomita Well, i guess each person has their own opinion of any musicians work, i was just curious to thoughts on it. I personally like Tomita, Kraftwerk, and numerous others although i can see some peoples views of the music not going anywhere. But yes, Snowflakes are dancing is a classic album along with Pics at an exhibition. I personally would like to see a more classical side to TD i.e Star Trooper???????? what a shame Chris --- ampmusic wrote: > > scfeldman@j... wrote: > > > On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:19:18 -0700 (PDT) chris > towers > > writes: > > > > > Just seen your list of musicians there, and yes > some > > > good ones, i have a few Tomita albums on vinyl, > what > > > do you think to his work ?? > > > > Godawful all-over-the-place stuff. Reminds > me of > > Wendy Carlos' BEAUTY IN THE BEAST. Tomita > > obviously has talent, but I dislike his 'music' > intensely. > > It's less coherent than that on ELECTRONIC > MEDITATION, > > fer chrissakes! > > > > > Chris > > > > Steven Feldman > > Errrrrr.....are you talking about the same Tomita? > That's ISAO Tomita, of 'Snowflakes are Dancing' and > 'Pictures at An > Exhibition'? > > All-over-the-place? If you said it was too > conventional that would be one thing, but to compare > these mostly classical pieces > to Wendy Carlos' 'Beauty In The Beast' which is > rather abstract and written in Just Intonation (i.e, > 'not in tune' to the > conventional ear) is strange to the point of > weirdness. > > So nice versions of Debussy are less coherent than > the music on 'Electronic Meditation'? > Derrrrrrr....well, it's an > interesting opinion. Perhaps you're talking about > Tomita's original film music? But the only bits I've > heard of that are > pretty conventional. Coherence is their middle name > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 11:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief (was Johannes Schmoelling at the 15. filmfest in Braunschweig) Also, Thief seems to be scheduled to be broadcast on the BBC on Saturday! Double-check your tv guides! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 18 October 2001 10:27 Subject: [tadream] Johannes Schmoelling at the 15. filmfest in Braunschweig > On November 11th 2001 Johannes Schmoelling will be at the 15th > filmfest in Braunschweig! > He will not play music, but will talk about the making of the > soundtrack to the movie 'Thief' which will be shown on that > day! > For more information please check teh homepage of the > filmfest: > http://forum.gaertner.de/filmfest/ > > Andreas Hedler > webmaster@j... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 11:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Long tracks ...... >I heard a DJ on the radio complaining about some new album, saying that it >was full of really long tracks about 5 or 6 minutes in length! > >Most of the tunes I listen to are just begining to warm up by the 6 minute >mark! > >I think the DJ would run off screaming into the night if he was shown an >early TD album! :) > >Matt > It's all about patience. Most people don't have enough patience to concentrate on anything longer than 4 minutes. Yet, all of TD's non-soundtrack pieces are over 2 minutes,(right?) though 2 mins seems to be the optimum length to some people. I wonder what would be the average length of a TD piece? I'd guess it's somewhere near 8 or 9 minutes... But on the other hand. The single piece version of Logos is the longest piece I know with 55 minutes, but it basically consticts of about a dozen of those normal-length ones. Like most other post-Baumann long pieces. (Okay, you all knew this already, so why am I bothering to write this?) But the very long pieces with one single theme are a whole other topic... like J.M. Jarre's 47-minute 'Waiting for Cousteau' which is about as minimalistic as Zeit, or perhaps it has a bit more melody... Here's the way I define the length of pieces: 0 to 3 mins - very short 3 to 6 - short 6 to 10 - medium 10 to 15 - long 15 to 24 - very long 24 < - extremely long John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29631 Re: Long tracks ...... Matthew Stringer Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB 29639 Re: Long tracks ...... toby.braddick@u... Thu 10/18/2001 4 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 11:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Alpha Centauri > > >I would say that the coffee machine is found in the title track. > > > > > >Regards, > > >TheInfection > > > > > > > > > Me too, but it's a 22 minute track after all, so if anyone already >knows, it > > would be a good save of time. I really wouldn't want to listen it >with a > > magnifying glass. (well, I hope you understood) > > > > John Vertical > >Perhaps the coffee machine is that low humming sound that is heard >(for example) in the very beginning of the first track. Of course it >might be caused by a mixing error or bad equipment. > >Regards, >TheInfection > Perhaps, but I'm still not sure... but that's the best candidat so far anyway. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 11:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: H.P.Lovecraft >Hi John, >I'm not only the webmaster and distributor of Johannes >Schmoelling but also of a very unknown German EM band called >DHARANA (soon at www.dharana.de) (which I co-founded). >They made a MC called 'Pnacotic Sounds' which is an hommage to >HPL and also released a CD called 'Galery Of Flavours' >including the track 'Weird Tales' (sic!). >At the moment I am to copy the MC to CD-R and make a CD-cover >out of the little MC-picture. Interessted? >Andreas > Well... I wasn't wanting to get info about those other HPL bands, but instead asking, what do you think about these opinions of mine. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29630 Re: H.P.Lovecraft John Vertical Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB 29632 Re: H.P.Lovecraft webmaster@j... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB From: gmroger@p... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 11:50 am Subject: Re: TD interprets other artists compilation - full disc! > Geir Smedsrud wrote: > > > Yes, what about a 'TD interprets other artists'-compilation? Admittedly I > > personally only know of - hmm 2 tracks - ; 'Purple Haze' and 'House of the > > Rising Sun'. Is it possible to fill up a disc? > > Not a whole disc. But there's certainly Eleanor Rigby...and also their versions of classical pieces - Pictures at an > Exhibition, Largo, Symphony in A Minor. > > You could also get really liberal in your interpretation of 'interpretation'. 'Sun Gate' was based on a song that Ralf > Wadelful wrote with his previous band. And wasn't their theme from The Keep based on music from 'The Snowman'? Their theme > for Shy People is a direct rip-off of Pink Floyd's 'Shine on Your Crazy Diamond'. Plus, it's been argued that Love on a Real > Train was influenced by Reich's 'Music for 18 Musicians'. > > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > Let's add to that 'A Time for Heroes' (I think composed by a guy called Steve Lyons), plus from 'Ambient Monkeys': 'Concerto in a-major, adagio', and, of course, the 'Gloria Theme' from 'The Keep' which was written by Thomas Talliss. Now then, those who know 'Streethawk' the TV series very well - I recall some 'covers' there, with vocals! (Dancing in the Dark was one of them). Was the music itself arranged and performed by TD? If so, our compilation CD would now look like this: 1. House of the Rising Sun (Traditional) (4.32) 2. Purple Haze (Jimi Hendrix) (2.57) 3. Eleanor Rigby (Lennon-McCartney) (8.40) 4. Pictures at an Exhibition (Mussorgsky) (3.01) 5. Largo (from 'Xerxes') (G.F. Handel) (4.12) 6. Symphony in a-minor (J.S. Bach) (+ - 3 mins?) 7. Concerto in a-major, adagio (Mozart) (+ - 3 mins?) 8. A Time for Heroes (Steve Lyons) (6.02) 9. Gloria Theme (Thomas Tallis) (3.10) 10. The Keep end theme (re-worked version of 'The Snowman') (Howard Blake [I think]) (2.22) 11/12/13/14/15/16 maybe - various covers from 'Streethawk', if TD did perform them: Total time about 20 minutes Jury still out: 'Confrontation' (5.32) by Craig Safan. Who actually performed this track? (Homer Simpson mode) WOO-HOO! Another full compilation CD completed. Next one, please... Roger Hartopp -- Zamow odbitki ze zdjec cyfrowych lub archiwum zdjec na CD! [ http://lab.foto.onet.pl/laboratorium.html ] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29635 Re: TD interprets other artists compilation - ful Michal Moroz Thu 10/18/2001 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 11:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] H.P.Lovecraft >*Well, sorry for the shameless self-promotion, but you might want to check >out my >band 'Dweller at the Threshold' the title of which would be familiar to an >HPL fan... >we do music in the 'Baumann' vein... if you go to the www.hypnos.com site >and >look in the Binary section there should be some soundbites to check out... >Poly Well, had to check. I listened two: Circular Logic & Worlds Without End. They're good, but IMHO HPL music should really be much darker in mood. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29632 Re: H.P.Lovecraft webmaster@j... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 12:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Long tracks ...... > But on the other hand. The single piece version of Logos is the longest > piece I know with 55 minutes, but it basically consticts of about a dozen > of those normal-length ones. The longest single track I have is 'The Beginning' by Mike Oldfield on the Amarok album, it's just over 60 minutes and is completely wonderful. I think Waiting For Cousteau is not long enough, I usually play it on loop. Matt From: webmaster@j... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 12:53 pm Subject: Re: H.P.Lovecraft > Well, had to check. I listened two: Circular Logic & Worlds Without End. > They're good, but IMHO HPL music should really be much darker in mood. > > John Vertical Well DHARANA's Lovecraft-tracks are much darker ;-) Andreas Which opinions do you mean? There are so much... From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 12:56 pm Subject: other artists/confrontation Roger 'Homer Simpson' Hartopp said : 'Jury still out: 'Confrontation' (5.32) by Craig Safan. Who actually performed this track?' Craig Safan? :) It was not TD anyway. CF could have play the drums but at that time he seemed to have a electronic drum kit (guessing from 'beach theme') and EF never played guitar that way. It's a pretty cool track actually and a good choice for the confration sequence. On the other end, It feels a bit odd to me that 'Beach Sequence' illustrates a joyfull family sequence that contrasts pretty much with the darkness of the rest of the movie. But, well, I've seen that film ages ago... Thomas ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29634 Re: other artists/confrontation chris towers Thu 10/18/2001 3 KB 29640 Re: other artists/confrontation goozer@a... Thu 10/18/2001 3 KB From: chris towers Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 1:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] other artists/confrontation I actually really like the confrontation track, so much so that im dissapointed that it isnt TD because apart from my VHS copy of the movie i cant find the music anywhere. Chris --- thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: > Roger 'Homer Simpson' Hartopp said : > 'Jury still out: 'Confrontation' (5.32) by Craig > Safan. Who actually performed this track?' > Craig Safan? :) > It was not TD anyway. > CF could have play the drums but at that time he > seemed to have a electronic drum kit (guessing from > 'beach theme') and EF never played guitar that way. > It's a pretty cool track actually and a good choice > for the confration sequence. > On the other end, It feels a bit odd to me that > 'Beach Sequence' illustrates a joyfull family > sequence that contrasts pretty much with the > darkness of the rest of the movie. > But, well, I've seen that film ages ago... > > Thomas > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : > Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... > Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre > service. > Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com > Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - > 2,21 F TTC/min) > Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F > TTC/min) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 1:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD interprets other artists compilation - full disc! > 1. House of the Rising Sun (Traditional) (4.32) > 2. Purple Haze (Jimi Hendrix) (2.57) > 3. Eleanor Rigby (Lennon-McCartney) (8.40) > 4. Pictures at an Exhibition (Mussorgsky) (3.01) > 5. Largo (from 'Xerxes') (G.F. Handel) (4.12) > 6. Symphony in a-minor (J.S. Bach) (+ - 3 mins?) > 7. Concerto in a-major, adagio (Mozart) (+ - 3 mins?) > 8. A Time for Heroes (Steve Lyons) (6.02) > 9. Gloria Theme (Thomas Tallis) (3.10) > 10. The Keep end theme (re-worked version of 'The Snowman') (Howard Blake [I think]) (2.22) > 11/12/13/14/15/16 maybe - various covers from 'Streethawk', if TD did perform them: Total time about 20 minutes What about the cover of Mike Oldfields single Don Alfonso? Never heard it though - both versions Stacja_M _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 1:40 pm Subject: Theif - the film on British TV 'Theif' is on British TV this Saturday - rated four stars and TD get a mention for the soundtrack. Toby From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 1:55 pm Subject: confrontation How about looking for the US LP..It is on there... mj >>> cjt999fire2000@y... 10/18/01 09:21AM >>> I actually really like the confrontation track, so much so that im dissapointed that it isnt TD because apart from my VHS copy of the movie i cant find the music anywhere. Chris --- thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: > Roger 'Homer Simpson' Hartopp said : > 'Jury still out: 'Confrontation' (5.32) by Craig > Safan. Who actually performed this track?' > Craig Safan? :) > It was not TD anyway. > CF could have play the drums but at that time he > seemed to have a electronic drum kit (guessing from > 'beach theme') and EF never played guitar that way. > It's a pretty cool track actually and a good choice > for the confration sequence. > On the other end, It feels a bit odd to me that > 'Beach Sequence' illustrates a joyfull family > sequence that contrasts pretty much with the > darkness of the rest of the movie. > But, well, I've seen that film ages ago... > > Thomas > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : > Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... > Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre > service. > Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com > Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - > 2,21 F TTC/min) > Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F > TTC/min) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29644 Re: confrontation chris towers Thu 10/18/2001 5 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 1:55 pm Subject: Don Alfonso There was never any cover of this tune...I just think EF was somehow involved in its production... What about the cover of Mike Oldfields single Don Alfonso? Never heard it though - both versions Stacja_M _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 2:00 pm Subject: Re: Long tracks ...... In the UK, the only music on the radio is modern pop rubbish, manufactured boys bands for a tasteless youth market. John V is right, you need patience to appreciate good music, with developing themes and atmosphere. A TD track 15 minutes plus generally rewards the listener for their discipline, a three minute 'pop' song just grates when you know there is much better music being ignored for the sake of ratings. DJ John Peel is widely acknowledged as the the guy who brought TD to the British music public on BBC radio, but does anyone have any recollection of whether he played complete tracks, or chopped them ? I believe the music fans who grew up on the 68 - 77 music scene (pre-punk) were generally more open to musical variety and quality. The number of younger fans (ie under 40 now) who like tasteful music seems to be in decline judging by the CD's stocked in local music shops. Any thoughts on this, is it just a British thing, or is it just me ? Toby --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > >I heard a DJ on the radio complaining about some new album, saying that it > >was full of really long tracks about 5 or 6 minutes in length! > > > >Most of the tunes I listen to are just begining to warm up by the 6 minute > >mark! > > > >I think the DJ would run off screaming into the night if he was shown an > >early TD album! :) > > > >Matt > > > > > It's all about patience. Most people don't have enough patience to > concentrate on anything longer than 4 minutes. Yet, all of TD's > non-soundtrack pieces are over 2 minutes,(right?) though 2 mins seems to be > the optimum length to some people. I wonder what would be the average length > of a TD piece? I'd guess it's somewhere near 8 or 9 minutes... > > But on the other hand. The single piece version of Logos is the longest > piece I know with 55 minutes, but it basically consticts of about a dozen of > those normal-length ones. Like most other post-Baumann long pieces. (Okay, > you all knew this already, so why am I bothering to write this?) > > But the very long pieces with one single theme are a whole other topic... > like J.M. Jarre's 47-minute 'Waiting for Cousteau' which is about as > minimalistic as Zeit, or perhaps it has a bit more melody... > > Here's the way I define the length of pieces: > 0 to 3 mins - very short > 3 to 6 - short > 6 to 10 - medium > 10 to 15 - long > 15 to 24 - very long > 24 < - extremely long > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: goozer@a... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 2:00 pm Subject: Re: other artists/confrontation This is one of those questions that seem to come up annually on this list... 'Confrontation' is _not_ TD, but rather Craig Safan. The only release to feature this song was the original US LP version (and now, of course, the infamous _Electronic Orgy_!) . All other versions replace this track with 'Beach Theme' (which, BTW, is the version as heard in the film, _not_ the edited and drum overdubbed version that opens the disc; this was also done w/o TD's input in an attempt to create a 'hit' single!) The reason for this non-TD track is that during the final editing of the film, Michael Mann wanted a different end theme than what they had given him. Unfortunately, TD was on tour in Italy at the time and could not get into a studio to do a new track. So Mr. Mann called in Mr. Safan to try and do something in their style (Mr. Mann also plays guitar on this track!) And for trying to duplicate TD's sound, he sure did do a good version of 'Comfortably Numb'! goozer --- In tadream@y..., thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: > Roger 'Homer Simpson' Hartopp said : > 'Jury still out: 'Confrontation' (5.32) by Craig Safan. Who actually performed this track?' > Craig Safan? :) > It was not TD anyway. > CF could have play the drums but at that time he seemed to have a electronic drum kit (guessing from 'beach theme') and EF never played guitar that way. > It's a pretty cool track actually and a good choice for the confration sequence. > On the other end, It feels a bit odd to me that 'Beach Sequence' illustrates a joyfull family sequence that contrasts pretty much with the darkness of the rest of the movie. > But, well, I've seen that film ages ago... > > Thomas From: Christian Villazón Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 2:19 pm Subject: The most Beautiful Rock For Peace Hello everybody, I need help. I would like to know the tracks and duration of each track of the Warsaw 2001 Concert - The Most Beautiful Rock For Peace. Thanks Christian Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29683 Re: The most Beautiful Rock For Peace Piotr'Millennium' Fri 10/19/2001 3 KB 29686 Re: The most Beautiful Rock For Peace =?iso-8859-2?Q?Christian_Vill Fri 10/19/2001 3 KB From: moxica@m... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 1:51 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] other artists/confrontation >From: thomas.soucheleau@n... >On the other end, It feels a bit odd to me that 'Beach Sequence' illustrates a joyfull family sequence that contrasts pretty much with the darkness of the rest of the movie. That was the point of that scene. In that peiod of the movie, James Cann's character had completed his last job, and finally had all the pieces of his life 'puzzle' in place, and could finally enjoy life. Or so he thought... I finally picked up this movie on DVD last week; it still stands up pretty good. - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29646 Re: other artists/confrontation thomas.soucheleau@n... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB 29649 Re: other artists/confrontation Owens, James Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 2:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tomita > 'The Planets' was chosen by Keyboard magazine as one of the top > twenty most important electronic albums of all time, the latter has the least > amount of cheesy FX... and is for the most part very tastefully done > interpretations of Debussy. 'The Planets' were composed by Gustav Holst not Debussy! Nevertheless a great album!!! s *Yeah, ... 'Snowflakes are dancing' was what I meant by 'the latter' as I mentioned it after the Planets... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: chris towers Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] confrontation Yeah ill happily purchase a copy of the US Version, anyone help me out on that?? Chris --- Michael Jean wrote: > How about looking for the US LP..It is on there... > > > mj > > >>> cjt999fire2000@y... 10/18/01 09:21AM >>> > I actually really like the confrontation track, so > much so that im dissapointed that it isnt TD because > apart from my VHS copy of the movie i cant find the > music anywhere. > > Chris > > --- thomas.soucheleau@n... wrote: > > Roger 'Homer Simpson' Hartopp said : > > 'Jury still out: 'Confrontation' (5.32) by Craig > > Safan. Who actually performed this track?' > > Craig Safan? :) > > It was not TD anyway. > > CF could have play the drums but at that time he > > seemed to have a electronic drum kit (guessing > from > > 'beach theme') and EF never played guitar that > way. > > It's a pretty cool track actually and a good > choice > > for the confration sequence. > > On the other end, It feels a bit odd to me that > > 'Beach Sequence' illustrates a joyfull family > > sequence that contrasts pretty much with the > > darkness of the rest of the movie. > > But, well, I've seen that film ages ago... > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : > > Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... > > Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre > > service. > > Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com > > Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - > > 2,21 F TTC/min) > > Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F > > TTC/min) > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > > bootleg? 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Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 3:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Long tracks ...... >From: toby.braddick@u... >In the UK, the only music on the radio is modern pop rubbish, >manufactured boys bands for a tasteless youth market. >believe the music fans who grew up on the 68 - 77 music scene >(pre-punk) were generally more open to musical variety and quality. >The number of younger fans (ie under 40 now) who like tasteful music >seems to be in decline judging by the CD's stocked in local music >shops. >Any thoughts on this, is it just a British thing, or is it just me ? I feel its an American thing as well (especially in Atlanta). Hip-hop and alternative dominate the music scene, while truly progressive acts are relegated to 'classic' rock stations if at all, even when such groups release new albums (has anyone heard anything from the latest Yes and Kansas albums on the radio - I didn't, even when they toured in Atlanta!). I pretty much tuned out of most popular music early in the last decade. I'm 30, in case anyone's keeping track. - jim From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 3:35 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] other artists/confrontation Well, I've seen this movie really a long time ago but I still remember that what struck me at that time was the fact that the music seemed to contrast with the pictures. Beach Theme doesn't really sound like a joyfull tune to me. Thomas ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) From: 'simon heath' Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Long tracks ...... >DJ John Peel is widely acknowledged as the the guy who brought TD to >the British music public on BBC radio, but does anyone have any >recollection of whether he played complete tracks, complete ,I think. >In the UK, the only music on the radio is modern pop rubbish, except for radio2 with a some good rock stuff and the educational 'Sounds of the 60s' on Sat morning, where we hear lots of obscure gems mixed with the pop pap of the time. Or radio3 s' 'Mixing it' which will play the most interesting avant-garde/jazz/rock/dance/anything.Well worth a listen. www.cat.ismad.com www.mog.ismad.com simonheath From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 6:51 pm Subject: Childhood and my appreciation for long tracks and electronic sounds Some of my favorite memories of childhood: The whole family would gather in the living room before bedtime. We'd light a few candles and turn out all the other lights. My dad would put Groffe's 'Grand Canyon Suite' or Ravel's 'Bolero' or Dukas' 'Sorceror's Apprentice' (etc.) on the record player, and we'd sit in total silence and near darkness and just listen to the music. 15 to 40 minutes devoted to one sense. Needless to say, I can appreciate a longer, more complex piece of music than most people. I doubt I'm representative of any significant percentage of the population here in the US, but it should be a positive note that at least ONE 30-year-old learned to appreciate the good stuff early on. Of course I went through a phase as a teen where I had no patience for lengthy concertos and I got into the pop scene a little then. I did find that my tastes leaned more toward the exotic even then, prefering songs that made good use of non-typical instruments (anything besides typical guitar and drums). Also as a kid my dad had what I called 'the electronic tape', which was an album he had recorded onto reel-to-reel tape called 'the IN sound from WAY OUT'. It was some sixties pop tunes performed by some extremely bizarre instrumentation, lots of signal generators and noise effects (no vocals of course). All the tracks had been renamed with 'spacey' titles like 'The Girl from Venus' and 'Visa to the Stars' (which I found out later was actually the 'Telstar theme'). My other favorite album was what I called 'the electronic record' which was an LP called 'Country Moog: Switched on Nashville' which was a collection of old country favorites played on a moog (again, without vocals). Imagine if you will Johnny Cash's 'Folsom Prison Blues' played entirely on a Moog, with some deep-sounding lead 'singing' (more like mumbling) the vocal line. The album ended with 'Yakety Moog'. So when I discovered REAL synth music I was out of my mind with delight. The first time I heard the likes of Stratosfear and Ricochet, I was instantly hooked. James > -----Original Message----- > The number of younger fans (ie under 40 now) who like tasteful music > seems to be in decline judging by the CD's stocked in local music > shops. > > Any thoughts on this, is it just a British thing, or is it just me ? > > Toby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29661 Re: Childhood and my appreciation for long tracks PENFOLD Fri 10/19/2001 3 KB 29832 Re: Childhood and my appreciation for long tracks moxica@m... Fri 10/26/2001 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 6:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: other artists/confrontation Back on the subject of PF/TD similarities again... I agree that Confrontation sounds a LOT like the guitar solo at the end of Comfortably Numb. Another track that has the PF style all over it is: Sailing Mission from 'The Keep'. In college somebody played that track for me (before I owned much TD) and asked me to identify the artist. I of course said Pink Floyd and he corrected me that it was TD. James > -----Original Message----- > From: goozer@a... [mailto:goozer@a...] > So Mr. Mann called in Mr. Safan to > try and do something in their style (Mr. Mann also plays > guitar on this > track!) And for trying to duplicate TD's sound, he sure did > do a good version of 'Comfortably Numb'! > > goozer From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 7:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Childhood and my appreciation for long tracks and electronic sound >Needless to say, I can appreciate a longer, more complex piece of music >than >most people. I doubt I'm representative of any significant percentage of >the population here in the US, but it should be a positive note that at >least ONE 30-year-old learned to appreciate the good stuff early on. Of >course I went through a phase as a teen where I had no patience for lengthy >concertos and I got into the pop scene a little then. I did find that my >tastes leaned more toward the exotic even then, prefering songs that made >good use of non-typical instruments (anything besides typical guitar and >drums). You might be interested to know that I pretty much agree with that, plus that I'm 16... I have been listening 'patient' music for ... quite a few years by now. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29652 Re: Childhood and my appreciation for long tracks Owens, James Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB 29694 Re: Childhood and my appreciation for long tracks rubyconist@y... Sat 10/20/2001 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Long tracks ...... >I think Waiting For Cousteau is not long enough, I usually play it on loop. > >Matt > Hehe, me too. When I'm in that mood, I'll want to play it over and over again. Usually it's three or four before I'll have to start doing something else. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 7:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Childhood and my appreciation for long tracks and electronic sound The US is not well-known for producing patient people... I was an Air Force brat though, and grew up partially overseas. Maybe that had something to do with it... James > -----Original Message----- > You might be interested to know that I pretty much agree with > that, plus > that I'm 16... I have been listening 'patient' music for ... > quite a few > years by now. > > John Vertical From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 7:56 pm Subject: McBAIN on VCD and DVD -- for Cheap! Hi, Cruising asian VCD and DVD sites, I came across the VCD and DVD of McBAIN, both listed at a bargain price. Go to http://www.dvdshelf.com/ then click on 'English,' then type in 'mcbain' in the Search box. The VCD costs $2.18, while the DVD costs $3.72. The plus side of VCDs is that they can be played in Windows Media Player -- and can copied with CD burners. ;) Stephe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 11:16 pm Subject: the blob--michael hoenig showing this weekend soundtrack by Michael Hoenig The Blob Date: Friday, October 19, 2001 Time: 4:00AM - 5:45AM EDT (GMT-04:00) The Blob 100 minutes- R, USA, 1988, Video, SS, In Stereo, Adult language, adult situations, graphic violence Directed by Chuck Russell and starring Kevin Dillon, Shawnee Smith, Donovan Leitch Joe Seneca, Jeffrey DeMunn, Candy Clark An oozing mass of carnivorous gelatin descends on a Colorado ski town in this remake of the 1958 cult classic. Mon Oct 15 01:30A FLIX- Flix Movie Channel Mon Oct 15 10:00P MAXE- Cinemax Fri Oct 19 04:05A ENC- Encore Regular Fri Oct 19 08:00P FLIX- Flix Movie Channel Sat Oct 20 02:30A FLIX- Flix Movie Channel Mon Oct 22 11:30P FLIX- Flix Movie Channel Sat Oct 27 10:00P FLIX- Flix Movie Channel Mon Oct 29 12:00A MAXE- Cinemax Wed Oct 31 08:00P FLIX- Flix Movie Channel Wed Oct 31 11:25P ENC- Encore Regular _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: BRUCE@F... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 11:17 pm Subject: Epsilon Does anyone know if there are plans to reissue 'Epsilon in Malaysia Pale' on CD? I downloaded it from Napster and I thought it was even better than 'Aqua'. I'm not a thief and I'm quite willing to pay for the album so whenever it comes out, I'll buy it. From: 'Scott' Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 11:22 pm Subject: Re: HP Lovecraft TD & HPL - my two favorites! A match made in heaven, or rather, some nameless netherworld... There was a band called The Darkest of the Hillside Thickets, whose music was heavily influenced by HPL. They tended more towards industrial style stuff. Not sure if they're still around. Scott NP: Grateful Dead, Coliseum, Richfield, OH 9/8/90 Set 1 From: BRUCE@F... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 11:30 pm Subject: Thief For anyone who didn't know, 'Thief' is on BBC2 on Saturday night at 10.30 on BBC2. From: Andrew McKeich Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 12:32 am Subject: Electronic interpretations of classical music I have been recently listening to a CD called 'Pieces in a modern style' by William Orbit and it features electronic interpretations of various classical compositions. In most cases, the arrangements are superb and display a genuine sensitivity to the original compositions albeit with a 'contemporary' edge. In may ways I prefer Orbit's work to Tomita's because the Tomita re-workings seem a little 'new age' at times. I would be interested to know if anyone else has heard the Orbit CD and if they have, what is their opinion of it? Andrew McKeich Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29663 Re: Electronic interpretations of classical music mengels@w... Fri 10/19/2001 3 KB 29676 Re: Electronic interpretations of classical music Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Fri 10/19/2001 2 KB 29679 Re: Electronic interpretations of classical music Michael Jean Fri 10/19/2001 3 KB 29691 Re: Electronic interpretations of classical music Deb H-J Sat 10/20/2001 2 KB 29699 Re: Electronic interpretations of classical music Phil White Sat 10/20/2001 3 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Thu Oct 18, 2001 11:40 pm Subject: Re: Long tracks ...... In a message dated 10/18/01 11:25:26 AM, moxica@m... writes: >I feel its an American thing as well (especially in Atlanta). Hip-hop >and alternative dominate the music scene, while truly progressive acts >are relegated to 'classic' rock stations if at all, even when such groups >release new albums (has anyone heard anything from the latest Yes and Kansas >albums on the radio - I didn't, even when they toured in Atlanta!). Actually, despite all the complaining we Clevelanders do about our radio selection, I did hear tracks from the previous Yes album on our local 'classic rock' station (WNCX). 'Homeworld' and 'Lightning Strikes', specifically. I haven't listened to the radio enough lately to know whether their new album is getting any airplay. --Daniel NP: King's X--Manic Moonlight (now why aren't these guys on the radio?) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29662 Re: Long tracks ...... Jim Moore Fri 10/19/2001 3 KB From: odean@m... Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 3:11 am Subject: Fwd: [tadream] Electronic interpretations of classical music >From: Andrew McKeich >Subject: [tadream] Electronic interpretations of classical music > >I would be interested to know if anyone else has heard the Orbit CD and if >they have, what is their opinion of it? > >Andrew McKeich Yes, I've got the CD and think it's great as well. William Orbit is a fine producer as well and most recently known for his work on Madonna's 'Ray of Light' release. 'O' http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com/ From: PENFOLD Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 12:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Childhood and my appreciation for long tracks and electronic sounds At 01.10.18 13:51, Owens, James wrote: >My other favorite album was what I called 'the electronic record' which >was an LP called 'Country Moog: Switched on Nashville' which was a >collection of old country favorites played on a moog (again, without >vocals). Imagine if you will Johnny Cash's 'Folsom Prison Blues' played >entirely on a Moog, with some deep-sounding lead 'singing' (more like >mumbling) the vocal line. The album ended with 'Yakety Moog'. If you like Moog interpretations of popular tunes pick up any CD by The Moog Cookbook On Moog news.....from WIRED 9.11 'Just Outta Beta' section p204 slated for release this month is the Big Briar minimoog Voyager which adds MIDI, velocity-sensitive keyboard & Tactex touchpad. The hardest park of developing this model Robert Moog replies laughingly 'Getting the minimoog trademark back.' Pete Isaacson aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 1:54 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Long tracks ...... > From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...] > Actually, despite all the complaining we Clevelanders do about our radio > selection, I did hear tracks from the previous Yes album on our local > 'classic rock' station (WNCX). 'Homeworld' and 'Lightning Strikes', > specifically. I haven't listened to the radio enough lately to > know whether > their new album is getting any airplay. The four hours I spent driving through Cleveland's radio airspace were sheer bliss in comparison to Atlanta's radio selection (exception being talk radio)! I can leave my radio on FM scan, and it'll take up to five minutes to find a song I like. When I lived in Dallas (in the late 80's, that is) they had at least two radio stations where you had a chance of hearing TD, though one played mostly recent stuff. I don't know if they're still around... - jim From: Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 8:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Electronic interpretations of classical music Yes the William Orbit CD is great. The use of sounds and the sound quality is superb. Although calling Tomita's music new age is somewhat strange to me. I would rate Orbit's CD more new agey then Tomita's which is very dynamic and goes from this part to that part. It is comparing apples and oranges though. Strange how this Tomita stuff is brought up because I was listening to 2 Tomita CDs at Bill Fox's place and now there's talking about it. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > Quoten Andrew McKeich : > > I have been recently listening to a CD called 'Pieces in a modern style' > by William Orbit and it features electronic interpretations of various > classical compositions. In most cases, the arrangements are superb and > display a genuine sensitivity to the original compositions albeit with a > 'contemporary' edge. In may ways I prefer Orbit's work to Tomita's because > the Tomita re-workings seem a little 'new age' at times. From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 6:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Force Majeure' pinball game..?! There was another pinball-game for the Amiga, that used music from Tyger. I just can't remember the name of that game.......................................anyone???????????? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 12:55 PM Subject: [tadream] 'Force Majeure' pinball game..?! > I just found the ultimate Tangerine Dream game on the German eBAY site, > take a look at this (before it's too late, because I don't believe it's > official): > > http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1285287781 > > Heiko (Pinball wizard ;-) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 7:05 am Subject: ZONE TROOPERS on VCD http://www.3d-express.com has ZONE TROOPERS on VCD for just $8.00 at http://www.3d-express.com/ProdDet.jhtml?ItemCode=B1859 Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: webmaster@j... Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 7:07 am Subject: 'Kiev Mission' lyrics! Hello to everybody! As someone asked some messages before for the spoken lyrics at the beginning ov Kiev Mission, I asked a friend in Russian to give me a translation. He just bought EXIT to do so! Here they are: Asia, Africa, Europe, Australia, America - this is Earth. Past time, present time, future time, World - is a world. Understand, to ask, to answer, to speak, to think about. To look, know, transmission, To speak with friends, Exchanging views, Without borders, a smart creature, A conversation, a talk. Continents: Asia, Africa, Europe, Australia, America - this is Earth. How uptodate these lines are today! Sad that some people on this earth did not understand the quintessence of such words/ thoughts. :-( Your truly, Andreas Hedler Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29690 Re: 'Kiev Mission' lyrics! Jim Moore Fri 10/19/2001 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 7:15 am Subject: RED NIGHTS on VCD They have a listing for RED NIGHTS on VCD, too! Steven --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: scfeldman@j... To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 03:05:48 -0400 Subject: [tadream] ZONE TROOPERS on VCD http://www.3d-express.com has ZONE TROOPERS on VCD for just $8.00 at http://www.3d-express.com/ProdDet.jhtml?ItemCode=B1859 Steven Feldman From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 7:50 am Subject: RISKY BUSINESS VCD http://www.3d-express.com/ProdDet.jhtml?ItemCode=B1554 From: webmaster@j... Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 8:09 am Subject: TD-solo-albums! Just listening to some of the old TD-solos on CD (Baumann's 'Romance 76' & 'Trans Harmonic Nights', Froese's 'Stuntman' & 'Pinnacles'). What a pleasure to have that music on earth! You can listen and dream into your own imaginative landscapes. Simply great! I just wanted to express my emotions, sorry! Andreas Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29671 Schmoelling mengels@w... Fri 10/19/2001 2 KB 29672 Re: Schmoelling webmaster@j... Fri 10/19/2001 2 KB 29673 Re: Schmoelling Matthew Stringer Fri 10/19/2001 2 KB 29698 Re: TD-solo-albums! Phil White Sat 10/20/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 8:24 am Subject: 'Inferno' concert in Bernau In my humble opinion this is the best music TD has done since over a decade, and all people who say that they stopped producing quality material since Chris Franke left the band...you're wrong! :-) The music is hard to describe and impossible to compare it to other releases, but it's one of those pieces which I wish could go on forever. It has the same quality like the 'good old' tracks from the 70s, it's full of adventure and it has the power to send you on a trip that lasts for nearly 80 minutes. Edgar & Jerome still seem to have enough creative power to keep me more than satisfied. I hope that what we are going to hear on the TDI CD version will be more or less identical to what was played in the concert, and a video or DVD release would also be very nice since the visual aspect of the show was also quite important. Heiko From: Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 10:06 am Subject: Schmoelling Hi Andreas, nice to have the webmaster of the schmoelling site over here. Don't know if you have a lot of contact with Johannes but just curious, what does Johannes think of all the electronic music nowadays and does he listen to it? A question I would like to ask TD too but I'm afraid we'll never get an answer from them. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29672 Re: Schmoelling webmaster@j... Fri 10/19/2001 2 KB 29673 Re: Schmoelling Matthew Stringer Fri 10/19/2001 2 KB From: webmaster@j... Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 9:35 am Subject: Re: Schmoelling Hi Marcel! > Hi Andreas, > > nice to have the webmaster of the schmoelling site > over here. Well I'm also a fan of electronic music! :-) > Don't know if you have a lot of contact with Johannes > but just curious, what does Johannes think of all the > electronic music nowadays and does he listen to it? No, he rarely listens to other electronic music. But not because he does not like it, but because he has not much time to listen to foreign music at all. He's working so much. > A question I would like to ask TD too but I'm afraid > we'll never get an answer from them. Try to visit them in Berlin! Edgar still lives at the old address given on the original TD-albums. ;-) > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29673 Re: Schmoelling Matthew Stringer Fri 10/19/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 9:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schmoelling Okay I have a question: Why is it that every online record store that stocks JS album never return e-mails! I love his music and would like everything available on CD but no-one EVER returns an email requesting availability of said CD's. The world is a twisted place! Matt From: webmaster@j... Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 10:11 am Subject: Re: Schmoelling --- In tadream@y..., Matthew Stringer wrote: > Okay I have a question: > > Why is it that every online record store that stocks JS album never > return e-mails! > > I love his music and would like everything available on CD but no-one EVER > returns an email requesting availability of said CD's. > > The world is a twisted place! > > Matt oops, that sounds not good! which online stores do you mean? if in doubt, you may contact me in person. I will try to get the CD's for you wanna have! Andreas From: john@p... Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 10:13 am Subject: Re: Schmoelling --- In tadream@y..., Matthew Stringer wrote: > I love his music and would like everything available on CD but no- one EVER > returns an email requesting availability of said CD's. www.synthmusicdirect.com shows Zoo, Songs, Whiteout and Wuviend. You may be able to find them cheaper if you shop round, but SMD only show what they have in stock, so you can be sure you'll get them (subject to Force Majeure. Hey, on topic!) and quick. jc Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29677 Re: Schmoelling Matthew Stringer Fri 10/19/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 11:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Electronic interpretations of classical music ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Andrew McKeich' > I would be interested to know if anyone else has heard the Orbit CD and if > they have, what is their opinion of it? I have heard it and I dont like it much. You can read my review of it at www.electronicshadows.com (do a search for it, it's in the archives) Best regards, Glenn www.electronicshadows.com From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 11:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schmoelling Another store that doesn't return emails. Matt On Friday 19 October 2001 11:13 am, you wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., Matthew Stringer wrote: > > I love his music and would like everything available on CD but no- > > one EVER > > > returns an email requesting availability of said CD's. > > www.synthmusicdirect.com shows Zoo, Songs, Whiteout and Wuviend. You > may be able to find them cheaper if you shop round, but SMD only show > what they have in stock, so you can be sure you'll get them (subject > to Force Majeure. Hey, on topic!) and quick. > > jc > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: webmaster@j... Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 12:12 pm Subject: Re: Schmoelling Did you try www.eurock.com ? Andreas --- In tadream@y..., Matthew Stringer wrote: > Another store that doesn't return emails. > Matt > > > On Friday 19 October 2001 11:13 am, you wrote: > > --- In tadream@y..., Matthew Stringer wrote: > > > I love his music and would like everything available on CD but no- > > > > one EVER > > > > > returns an email requesting availability of said CD's. > > > > www.synthmusicdirect.com shows Zoo, Songs, Whiteout and Wuviend. You > > may be able to find them cheaper if you shop round, but SMD only show > > what they have in stock, so you can be sure you'll get them (subject > > to Force Majeure. Hey, on topic!) and quick. From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 1:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Electronic interpretations of classical music I like it, especially Cavalleria Rustica by Pagliacci Mascagni (though it sounds a bit like a Calliope .... I would still love to hear the original release with the additional tracks by Arvo Part.... Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu >>> amckeich@a... 10/18/01 08:32PM >>> I have been recently listening to a CD called 'Pieces in a modern style' by William Orbit and it features electronic interpretations of various classical compositions. In most cases, the arrangements are superb and display a genuine sensitivity to the original compositions albeit with a 'contemporary' edge. In may ways I prefer Orbit's work to Tomita's because the Tomita re-workings seem a little 'new age' at times. I would be interested to know if anyone else has heard the Orbit CD and if they have, what is their opinion of it? Andrew McKeich ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 3:43 pm Subject: TD, EF,KS images Hi Whilst searching the net for pictures of Hawkwind, I turned-up this page where there are a few old TD-related images. A few of them are new to me. http://pages.ripco.net/~saxmania/europix/images.html http://pages.ripco.net/~saxmania/europix/ Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29682 Re: TD, EF,KS images Synthhtnys@a... Fri 10/19/2001 2 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 4:05 pm Subject: More images, bit OT! Hi I shouldn't have started this. Now I find the TD fishing fly & the TD snake! http://www.flyline.com/1flys/t_dream.htm http://www.kingsnake.com/critter/honcolor/normal.htm I'm off to deepest darkest Buchan now, maybe sanity will be prevail! Best Brian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 4:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD, EF,KS images *Wow! I snipped this from the tadream list, there are some very cool pics here of TD KS, Hawkwind, Gentle Giant etc... chzekitowt! Poly > http://pages.ripco.net/~saxmania/europix/images.html > http://pages.ripco.net/~saxmania/europix/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The most Beautiful Rock For Peace 01.[09:38] Introduction by Marek Gaszynski 02.[02:51] BETWEEN REALITIES 03.[08:54] THE SPIRIT OF THE CZAR 04.[05:48] WARSAW IN THE MOON 05.[10:17] COMET'S FIGURE HEAD 06.[05:56] FORCE MAJEURE (excerpt with Pergamon Piano part) 07.[05:24] GOING WEST 08.[08:33] LAMB WITH RADAR EYES 09.[10:27] THE COMFORT ZONE 10.[06:11] LONGING FOR CASHBA 11.[02:39] DRUM SET by Iris,Jacqueline and Gerard 12.[10:55] PRIME TIME 13.[11:19] TOWARDS THE EVENING STAR 14.[12:51] OUTLAND 15.[10:35] TIMESQUARE 16.[09:53] ASTROPHOBIA 17.[05:39] BEAUTY OF THE BLAST 18.[08:58] SONY CENTER SCORE (excerpt) ENCORES 01.[08:40] STEREOLIGHT 02.[08:42] DIAMONDS AND DUSK 03.[06:30] THE BRIDGE SONG by Kasia Stankiewicz 04.[09:57] MOBOCASTER Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > Hello everybody, > I need help. I would like to know the tracks and duration of > each track of the Warsaw 2001 Concert - The Most Beautiful Rock For Peace. > > Thanks > > Christian Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29686 Re: The most Beautiful Rock For Peace =?iso-8859-2?Q?Christian_Vill Fri 10/19/2001 3 KB From: 'Jupe' Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 5:38 pm Subject: New Electronic Web Page Hi , please , read this words from the Webmaster of a new electronic web page . Regards , Jupe - - -- - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - I'm pleased to announce the opening of a new webpage in spanish called Audionautas (located at http://audionautas.galeon.com) about some curious aspects in electronic music. This new website includes a quick guide of electronic artists, groups and engineers (including the first Larry Fast-Synergy biography in spanish), a very special section of quotes by electronic musicians and composers, a new photo gallery and also an interesting links section. I hope you enjoy it Regards Pablo Freire From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 5:40 pm Subject: [tadream] Risky Business VCD Hi all I have a spare copy of the Risky Business VCD if anyone is interested in an exchange. Have a look at my wants list: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/swaplist.html Paul From: Christian Villazón Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 6:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The most Beautiful Rock For Peace Hello, Thank you very much!!! Christian -----Original Message----- From: Piotr'Millennium' [mailto:sulas@a...] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 1:22 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] The most Beautiful Rock For Peace 01.[09:38] Introduction by Marek Gaszynski 02.[02:51] BETWEEN REALITIES 03.[08:54] THE SPIRIT OF THE CZAR 04.[05:48] WARSAW IN THE MOON 05.[10:17] COMET'S FIGURE HEAD 06.[05:56] FORCE MAJEURE (excerpt with Pergamon Piano part) 07.[05:24] GOING WEST 08.[08:33] LAMB WITH RADAR EYES 09.[10:27] THE COMFORT ZONE 10.[06:11] LONGING FOR CASHBA 11.[02:39] DRUM SET by Iris,Jacqueline and Gerard 12.[10:55] PRIME TIME 13.[11:19] TOWARDS THE EVENING STAR 14.[12:51] OUTLAND 15.[10:35] TIMESQUARE 16.[09:53] ASTROPHOBIA 17.[05:39] BEAUTY OF THE BLAST 18.[08:58] SONY CENTER SCORE (excerpt) ENCORES 01.[08:40] STEREOLIGHT 02.[08:42] DIAMONDS AND DUSK 03.[06:30] THE BRIDGE SONG by Kasia Stankiewicz 04.[09:57] MOBOCASTER Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > Hello everybody, > I need help. I would like to know the tracks and duration of > each track of the Warsaw 2001 Concert - The Most Beautiful Rock For Peace. > > Thanks > > Christian ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Kiev Mission lyrics Andreas, thanks very much for that translation. I've always wanted to know specifically what those words meant. That is great. Now, of course, I wonder who wrote them? :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29689 Re: Kiev Mission lyrics Owens, James Fri 10/19/2001 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Magnification Heard Lightning Strikes once upon a time. I believe their new album has been postponed until after the new year. <<I feel its an American thing as well (especially in Atlanta). Hip-hop >and alternative dominate the music scene, while truly progressive acts >are relegated to 'classic' rock stations if at all, even when such groups >release new albums (has anyone heard anything from the latest Yes and Kansas >albums on the radio - I didn't, even when they toured in Atlanta!). Actually, despite all the complaining we Clevelanders do about our radio selection, I did hear tracks from the previous Yes album on our local 'classic rock' station (WNCX). 'Homeworld' and 'Lightning Strikes', specifically. I haven't listened to the radio enough lately to know whether their new album is getting any airplay. --Daniel>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 9:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Kiev Mission lyrics Edgar wrote them. The translation was posted to the TD official page for a while, with Edgar listed as the author. James > -----Original Message----- > Andreas, thanks very much for that translation. I've always > wanted to know > specifically what those words meant. From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 10:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Kiev Mission' lyrics! > From: webmaster@j... > How uptodate these lines are today! > Sad that some people on this earth did not understand the > quintessence of such words/ thoughts. :-( Well, until now, I didn't have a translation! Haha! - jim From: Deb H-J Date: Sat Oct 20, 2001 2:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Electronic interpretations of classical music Andrew: I have not heard the William Orbit CD you mention, but it sounds like one I will look for. I also like electronic renditions of classical works, and have greatly enjoyed 'Klaus Schulze Goes Classic' which has some lively renditions principally of 19th century romantic works. His version of Liszt's 'Hungarian Rhapsody' is still rolling around my head, and every time I hear one of his CDs now, I think of him as sort of a modern electronic Liszt. Somehow it suits him. Edgar Froese is much more Bach-like, perhaps because of his working relationship with his son his son and his approach to composition. And speaking of Bach, I think the best electronic rendition of Bach I've ever experienced is Patrick O'Hearn's 'Prelude from Cello Suite No. 1' from the 'Different Prelude' CD, which is fabulous. Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: Deb H-J Date: Sat Oct 20, 2001 2:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Long tracks ...... Matthew: << The longest single track I have is 'The Beginning' by Mike Oldfield on the Amarok album, it's just over 60 minutes and is completely wonderful. >> I also love Amarok, and its one of my favorite Oldfield pieces. Is that guy crazy, or what? But the album is absolutely, totally fun. Deb H-J dhj4@y... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Oct 20, 2001 8:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Long tracks ...... >Matthew: > ><< The longest single track I have is 'The Beginning' >by Mike Oldfield on >the >Amarok album, it's just over 60 minutes and is >completely wonderful. >> > >I also love Amarok, and its one of my favorite >Oldfield pieces. Is that guy crazy, or what? But the >album is absolutely, totally fun. > >Deb H-J >dhj4@y... Almost forgot to ask - is that monothematic or not? Does the music change? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29708 Re: Long tracks ......(OT: Oldfield's Amarok) Deb H-J Sun 10/21/2001 2 KB From: rubyconist@y... Date: Sat Oct 20, 2001 8:36 am Subject: Re: Childhood and my appreciation for long tracks and electronic sound --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > >Needless to say, I can appreciate a longer, more complex piece of music > >than > >most people. I doubt I'm representative of any significant percentage of > >the population here in the US, but it should be a positive note that at > >least ONE 30-year-old learned to appreciate the good stuff early on. Of > >course I went through a phase as a teen where I had no patience for lengthy > >concertos and I got into the pop scene a little then. I did find that my > >tastes leaned more toward the exotic even then, prefering songs that made > >good use of non-typical instruments (anything besides typical guitar and > >drums). > > > You might be interested to know that I pretty much agree with that, plus > that I'm 16... I have been listening 'patient' music for ... quite a few > years by now. > > John Vertical I'm not trying to offend you or anything but are you FUCKING WITH ME? Do you think that that makes you greater because you are 'only' 16 years old? I have been a fan for TD only for a year, but I listened soudtracks long before (Ennio Morricone and such), so there are others like you. Do not feel superior than others, please. Regards, TheInfection From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Oct 20, 2001 10:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Childhood and my appreciation for long tracks and electronic s >I'm not trying to offend you or anything but are you FUCKING WITH ME? No. Not that I'd know of it. You can see what you want to... >Do you think that that makes you greater because you are 'only' 16 >years old? I have been a fan for TD only for a year, but I listened >soudtracks long before (Ennio Morricone and such), so there are >others like you. Do not feel superior than others, please. > >Regards, >TheInfection I'm definetly not trying to say that I'm better, just that all young persons aren't stereotypes. I never said anything near that I would be an exception of one out of a million. I however have gotten the view that most people who like this sort of music are however a bit older. We could try an age poll, if you want to. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29712 Re: Childhood and my appreciation for long tracks rubyconist@y... Mon 10/22/2001 3 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Oct 20, 2001 11:43 am Subject: Warsaw concert paper goods ? Hello, Is anyone willing to trade paper goods from the Warsaw concert ? The big concert poster would be my dream. Also, on the video of the press conference, the band is signing what looks like something in A4 format with the same picture as on the poster. Was this just a flyer or a programme or what ? I can offer Bernau paper goods (two different posters and a programme), or anything from my vaults ;-) best regards, klaus From: 'Phil White' Date: Sat Oct 20, 2001 2:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Epsilon Hi Bruce, Epsilon is ( or WAS maybe ? ) available on CD because I'm playing it right now. Details...Virgin CDV2040. Good luck in finding it as it remains my favourite chill out music along with E2E4 by Herr Gottsching. Regards Phil n.p. As Above ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 12:17 AM Subject: [tadream] Epsilon > Does anyone know if there are plans to reissue 'Epsilon in Malaysia > Pale' on CD? From: 'Phil White' Date: Sat Oct 20, 2001 2:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD-solo-albums! Couldn't agree more and in particular Trans Harmonic Nights... Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:09 AM Subject: [tadream] TD-solo-albums! > Just listening to some of the old TD-solos on CD (Baumann's > 'Romance 76' & 'Trans Harmonic Nights', Froese's 'Stuntman' & > 'Pinnacles'). What a pleasure to have that music on earth! > You can listen and dream into your own imaginative landscapes. > Simply great! > I just wanted to express my emotions, sorry! > Andreas From: 'Phil White' Date: Sat Oct 20, 2001 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Electronic interpretations of classical music Hi All, I have the William Orbit too and hate to disagree but I found it rather uninspiring and boring...sorry ! ( I don't necessarily think that applied to the original works..... ) Much better are his Strange Cargo series IMO. ( III in particular ). Also worth investigating in a slightly different vein but equally interesting is Torch Song 'Toward The Unknown Region' produced and mixed by William Orbit. Give them an airing if you can and see. Phil. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Andrew McKeich' > I have been recently listening to a CD called 'Pieces in a modern style' > by William Orbit and it features electronic interpretations of various > classical compositions. In most cases, the arrangements are superb and > display a genuine sensitivity to the original compositions albeit with a > 'contemporary' edge. In may ways I prefer Orbit's work to Tomita's because > the Tomita re-workings seem a little 'new age' at times. > > I would be interested to know if anyone else has heard the Orbit CD and if > they have, what is their opinion of it? > > Andrew McKeich From: Liondream@a... Date: Sun Oct 21, 2001 4:00 am Subject: Patrick O'H Hmm, I just saw the first two P O'H cds at a local record store. Was tempted to get them. All right, this is OT, but there is kind of a relation to TD, after all Patrick O'Hearn was on Private Music, right? :-) <<>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29701 Re: Patrick O'H Synthhtnys@a... Sun 10/21/2001 2 KB 29705 Patrick O'H Liondream@a... Sun 10/21/2001 2 KB 29711 Re: Patrick O'H Antonio Nunes Mon 10/22/2001 3 KB 29839 Re: Patrick O'H Adele Outland Sun 10/28/2001 3 KB 29845 Re: Patrick O'H goozer@a... Sun 10/28/2001 3 KB 29840 Re: Patrick O'H Synthhtnys@a... Sun 10/28/2001 2 KB 29842 Re: Patrick O'H david Sun 10/28/2001 2 KB 29843 Re: Patrick O'H david Sun 10/28/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Oct 21, 2001 4:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'H Hmm, I just saw the first two P O'H cds at a local record store. Was tempted to get them. All right, this is OT, but there is kind of a relation to TD, after all Patrick O'Hearn was on Private Music, right? *Hey Liondream, ... Do not hesitate on the O'Hearn... Especially Ancient Dreams which has the aesthetic of Baumann written all over it. Truly majestic compositions, open and airy filled with a sense of mystery... the second one is also very good, though more radio-friendly... Peace, Poly P.S. were you the guy from Seattle at the D@T... show in Portland? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sun Oct 21, 2001 7:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'Hearn I'm a Patrick O'Hearn fan too. I've got all but two of his releases and I've liked them all. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'H > Hmm, I just saw the first two P O'H cds at a local record store. Was tempted > to get them. > > All right, this is OT, but there is kind of a relation to TD, after all > Patrick O'Hearn was on Private Music, right? > > > > *Hey Liondream, ... Do not hesitate on the O'Hearn... Especially Ancient > Dreams > which has the aesthetic of Baumann written all over it. Truly majestic > compositions, open and airy filled with a sense of mystery... the second one > is also very good, though more radio-friendly... > Peace, > Poly > P.S. were you the guy from Seattle at the D@T... show in Portland? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37587 Re: Patrick O'Hearn Chris Richards Kohntarkosz Tue 12/10/2002 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun Oct 21, 2001 12:12 pm Subject: The Calling on auction !!! Hi all, I have the Christopher Franke Soundtrack: The Calling on auction (ebay) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1477099881 Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Sun Oct 21, 2001 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1081 Oh, okay. Thanks for that, I will probably pick them both up since I haven't seen them anywhere else. Is Patrick still releasing things? Seems like we haven't heard from him in a while. Wasn't me in Portland. In a message dated 10/21/2001 6:48:18 AM Central Daylight Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > *Hey Liondream, ... Do not hesitate on the O'Hearn... Especially Ancient > Dreams > which has the aesthetic of Baumann written all over it. Truly majestic > compositions, open and airy filled with a sense of mystery... the second > one > is also very good, though more radio-friendly... > Peace, > Poly > P.S. were you the guy from Seattle at the D@T... show in Portland? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Sun Oct 21, 2001 3:34 pm Subject: Patrick O'H Of course, I ask whether Patrick is still releasing stuff, then I go to cdnow and find that he has THREE albums due out on October 30th!!! [I think I forgot to change the subject thing on my last reponse. I'm afraid I must do that a lot. Sorry!!! I will try to be more careful from now on!] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: vic rek Date: Sun Oct 21, 2001 4:41 pm Subject: Updated List I updated today my Tangerine Dream trade/wish list. If you are interested, check out: http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/td_trade.html Make me an offer - cash/trade - you never know what can be worked out, unless you contact me. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29707 Re: Updated List vic rek Sun 10/21/2001 2 KB 29837 Gigantic Private CD Sale Ken Beal Sat 10/27/2001 2 KB From: vic rek Date: Sun Oct 21, 2001 4:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Updated List Sorry for URL error - no 'l' on html Try: http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/td_trade.htm vic rek wrote: > I updated today my Tangerine Dream trade/wish list. If you are > interested, check out: > > http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/td_trade.html > > Make me an offer - cash/trade - you never know what can be worked out, > unless you contact me. > > Vic > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29837 Gigantic Private CD Sale Ken Beal Sat 10/27/2001 2 KB From: Deb H-J Date: Sun Oct 21, 2001 9:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Long tracks ......(OT: Oldfield's Amarok) John: > Almost forgot to ask - is that monothematic or not? > Does the music change? It would be difficult to describe Amarok as 'monothematic.' The liner notes by Dave Laing include the following: 'Amarok is an unbroken 52 minute piece moving in style from folk music to flamenco to various ethnic sounds such as Zulu chanting...The kaleidoscope of sound also includes Paddy Moloney of the Chieftains playing his uillean pipes (Irish bagpipes), Zulu percussionists, a Margaret Thatcher impersonation by comedienne Janet Brown and the sounds of Mike himself brushing his teeth and stomping around the studio.' The overall effect is a lot of fun. I listen to it at work when I'm trying to bring myself out of my afternoon slump. It's almost as good as caffeine. Deb H-J __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: vic rek Date: Mon Oct 22, 2001 5:49 am Subject: Okefenokee 2002 - Important Registration Information Hi All! The Ricochet Dream - Oke 2002 Gathering registration has officially begun! Please check the updated web pages for the details: http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/ricochet.htm - Home Page http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/oke2002.htm - General Information Vic Rek From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Oct 22, 2001 6:28 am Subject: What Edgar said In the most recent German 'Elektrobeats' radio interview (October 10) Edgar said the following about their 'Dante's divine comedy' project: --it is planned to perform the 2nd show in Atlanta (USA) in late 2002 --it is also planned to perform all three shows (!) in Sydney, Australia in late 2003 (at the moment I'm desperately trying to convince my wife to come with me to Australia ;-) He also said that TD is fully booked until 2007 (which would be the 40th anniversary of Tangerine Dream since their foundation in September 1967) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29715 Re: What Edgar said Sean Montgomery Mon 10/22/2001 2 KB 29720 Re: What Edgar said Jim Moore Tue 10/23/2001 2 KB 29724 Re: What Edgar said Heiko Heerssen Tue 10/23/2001 2 KB 29727 Re: What Edgar said mengels@w... Tue 10/23/2001 2 KB 29730 Re: What Edgar said webmaster@j... Tue 10/23/2001 2 KB 29725 Re: What Edgar said Thenite0wl@a... Tue 10/23/2001 2 KB 29726 Re: What Edgar said thomas.soucheleau@n... Tue 10/23/2001 2 KB 29729 Re: What Edgar said olle.rundgren@s... Tue 10/23/2001 2 KB 29731 Re: What Edgar said quarlie@a... Tue 10/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Antonio Nunes' Date: Mon Oct 22, 2001 10:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'H 'Liondream@a...' wrote: > > Of course, I ask whether Patrick is still releasing stuff, then I go to cdnow > and find that he has THREE albums due out on October 30th!!! Another Patrick O'Hearn fan here. Actually the albums 'due out on October 30th' are re-releases. 'Trust' is from 1995, 'Metaphor' is from 1996 and 'So flows the current' was released early this year. Ob TD content: a few years ago I taped a cassette with 'Lily on the Beach' on side A and Patrick O'Hearn's 'Between two Worlds' on side B, because I though these 2 albums were in the same style. Antonio From: rubyconist@y... Date: Mon Oct 22, 2001 11:19 am Subject: Re: Childhood and my appreciation for long tracks and electronic s --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > >I'm not trying to offend you or anything but are you FUCKING WITH ME? > > No. Not that I'd know of it. You can see what you want to... That was just a figure of speech. > >Do you think that that makes you greater because you are 'only' 16 > >years old? I have been a fan for TD only for a year, but I listened > >soudtracks long before (Ennio Morricone and such), so there are > >others like you. Do not feel superior than others, please. > > > >Regards, > >TheInfection > > > I'm definetly not trying to say that I'm better, just that all young persons > aren't stereotypes. I never said anything near that I would be an exception > of one out of a million. Yes, you're right. Okay, I admit it. I over reacted. I had a bad day. Of course you're not better than me. ;-) > I however have gotten the view that most people who like this sort of music > are however a bit older. We could try an age poll, if you want to. > > John Vertical Btw, I finally bought Encore. What I've listened, Monolight is the best track. Very nice melodies, old and new. Thick soundscapes. Another purchase was Goblin's Club and I must say, that I hate Jerome and his style. He isn't the best what Edgar is created. The best track is 'Elf June and the midnight patrol' (there's no Jerome's annoying dance beat. Regards, TheInfection From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Oct 22, 2001 12:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] stuff >Yes, you're right. Okay, I admit it. I over reacted. I had a bad day. >Of course you're not better than me. ;-) Yeah, yeah. Peace. > >Btw, I finally bought Encore. What I've listened, Monolight is the >best track. Very nice melodies, old and new. Thick soundscapes. I like Cherokee Lane the most; it's a brilliant example of how TD could improvise on stage something hypnotic with just a few melodies and some simple sequences. Monolight is also good, though the clashes at the transistions somewhat annoy me, and the 2nd half has a bit too rapid change in the mood at one point. Also, borrowing some of the melodies seems like a too easy a solution. Coldwater Canyon starts intense, but it turns out very free instead. Of ideas. Also, the drum-centered sequencing reminds me of the latter style. (onwards from Le Parc) Desert Dream seems to be a black sheep in the selection, as it's more like the Phaedra/Rubycon era. I heard somewhere that it's actually a collection of parts from Oedipus Tyrannus, save the very last bit. >Another purchase was Goblin's Club and I must say, that I hate Jerome >and his style. He isn't the best what Edgar is created. The best >track is 'Elf June and the midnight patrol' (there's no Jerome's >annoying dance beat. > >Regards, >TheInfection Goblin's Club. Well, I can't comment that in relation to the other albums of that era, as I'ven't heard those. But I do like (well some), of the pieces. Elf June is good - but I think that Sad Merlin's Sunday beats it. It's not very technoish either, rather like a ballad for summer... Tracks 2, 3 & 5 suck while 1,4 and 6 are actually pretty nice. I think that the divisor differences between the old and the new TD are: -Sequences. Both the complexity in them and their instruments (whether it's drums, bass or something else) went through a transistion state during the Blue Years - I'm currently listening to Tangent, and it's quite a good example of this thing. -Instruments. Acoustic ones started again to dominate the melodies in the 90's. -The mood. The newer ones are basically more better when it comes to being gentle, light, etc. while there are also the ones which are below Metamorphic Rocks. (get it?) -The relation between melody, harmony and rhytm. It has varied quite a bit, from the racket in the earliest stuff to the less archaic overharmonization, the sharp-voiced 80's and the rhytm-centered stuff a bit later. My newest purchase was White Eagle: Mojave Plan is the most electronic thing I know, Midnight In Tula sounds like Super Mario Bros, Convention of the 24 would surely have been better if composed during the Baumann era, and the title track is a skyish jewel. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29721 Re: stuff rubyconist@y... Tue 10/23/2001 3 KB 29722 Re: stuff Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Tue 10/23/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Oct 22, 2001 12:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Long tracks ......(OT: Oldfield's Amarok) >It would be difficult to describe Amarok as >'monothematic.' The liner notes by Dave Laing include >the following: > >'Amarok is an unbroken 52 minute piece moving in style >from folk music to flamenco to various ethnic sounds >such as Zulu chanting...The kaleidoscope of sound also >includes Paddy Moloney of the Chieftains playing his >uillean pipes (Irish bagpipes), Zulu percussionists, a >Margaret Thatcher impersonation by comedienne Janet >Brown and the sounds of Mike himself brushing his >teeth and stomping around the studio.' > >The overall effect is a lot of fun. I listen to it at >work when I'm trying to bring myself out of my >afternoon slump. It's almost as good as caffeine. > >Deb H-J I take that as a plain 'no'. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Oct 22, 2001 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What Edgar said Heiko Heerssen wrote: > He also said that TD is fully booked until 2007 Did he elaborate on that remark? Booked for what? -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: R J Date: Mon Oct 22, 2001 7:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1082 Yes, Patrick is alive and kicking. Since I'm a fan as well as a friend, let me give you some details. Patrick has moved home to North Carolina and has a new recording studio (Studio AOT). He has since started partickohearn.com music (his own label). At the same time, he set up his own website: http://www.patrickohearn.com He also has an mp3.com website: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/174/patrick_ohearn.html He released an album earlier this year, 'So Flows The Current.' It is a return to his old school style (ie, Ancient Dreams & Between Two Worlds). Once again Peter Maunu, a longtime friend who has played on several of Patrick's past albums, is a guest player. In fact, they are working on an album together. He did an interview with John Diliberto for John Dilberto's Echoes radio broadcasts: http://www.echoes.org/ He has been guest playing on several Steve Roach albums. He still composes for film projects and his music is still featured on all 'Barbara Walters Special' TV broadcasts. I'm sure there is more, but I haven't spoken to him in awhile. Check out his website!!!!!! Cheers ====================================================== > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 11:22:54 EDT > From: Liondream@a... > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1081 > > Oh, okay. Thanks for that, I will probably pick them > both up since I haven't > seen them anywhere else. > > Is Patrick still releasing things? Seems like we > haven't heard from him in a > while. > > Wasn't me in Portland. > > > In a message dated 10/21/2001 6:48:18 AM Central > Daylight Time, > tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > > > > *Hey Liondream, ... Do not hesitate on the > O'Hearn... Especially Ancient > > Dreams > > which has the aesthetic of Baumann written all > over it. Truly majestic > > compositions, open and airy filled with a sense of > mystery... the second > > one > > is also very good, though more radio-friendly... > > Peace, > > Poly > > P.S. were you the guy from Seattle at the D@T... show > in Portland? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: 'koulos' Date: Mon Oct 22, 2001 8:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Obscure Hoenig Soundtrack - Baldur's Gate 2 well with some major delay heres the playlist of this cd as listed in the cddb site i just got mine cd wich comes in a logicall price with the set of the game here in greece [the titles and so in eglish] Baldur's Gate II- Shadows of Amn Michael Hoenig data main title jon battke and peace Galean Bayle sailing asylum journey underdark City Gates trademest Waukeen's Promenade The pirate Isle Taverns the domain of the dragon Jon Irenicas Encounter Theme the Slums Forest Batlle I forest Batlle II Plains Batlle I Plains Batlle II mountain batlle I mountain Batlle II city Batlle I City Batlle II nightmare in the docks the planar sphere The druid Grove The asylum the dreams Romance I Romance II The bad The good sewer batlle amongst the Sahaugin Shadow batlle a very nice soumdtrack for playing rpg in real time [what we did earlier this evening] sorry for the great delay but i just got it in my hands ----- Original Message ----- From: 'baG' To: Sent: ???????, 16 ??????????? 2001 2:17 ?? Subject: Re: [tadream] Obscure Hoenig Soundtrack - Baldur's Gate 2 > vic rek wrote: > > OK, I will try ;) From: 'Hotmail' Date: Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:44 pm Subject: EDGAR FROESE : SOLO 1974 - 1979 D404574 1982 CASSETTE If anyone is interested in bidding this rare item is for sale......... Item name: EDGAR FROESE : SOLO 1974 - 1979 D404574 1982 Spain/Barcelona release. Quantity: 1 End date: Thursday, 01 Nov, 2001 at 23:19:09 GMT To view your item, click here: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1477696404 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29719 EDGAR FROESE : SOLO 1974 - 1979 D404574 1982 CAS rh05041975@h... Mon 10/22/2001 2 KB From: rh05041975@h... Date: Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:44 pm Subject: EDGAR FROESE : SOLO 1974 - 1979 D404574 1982 CASSETTE If anyone is interested in bidding this rare item is for sale......... Item name: EDGAR FROESE : SOLO 1974 - 1979 D404574 1982 Spain/Barcelona release. Quantity: 1 End date: Thursday, 01 Nov, 2001 at 23:19:09 GMT To view your item, click here: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1477696404 From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 1:14 am Subject: RE: [tadream] What Edgar said > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > He also said that TD is fully booked until 2007 Sounds like what I tell vendors: 'yeah, I'm busy until towards the end of the decade. Does that work for you?' - jim From: rubyconist@y... Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 9:23 am Subject: Re: stuff --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > > I think that the divisor differences between the old and the new TD are: > -Sequences. Both the complexity in them and their instruments (whether it's > drums, bass or something else) went through a transistion state during the > Blue Years - I'm currently listening to Tangent, and it's quite a good > example of this thing. > -Instruments. Acoustic ones started again to dominate the melodies in the > 90's. > -The mood. The newer ones are basically more better when it comes to being > gentle, light, etc. while there are also the ones which are below > Metamorphic Rocks. (get it?) > -The relation between melody, harmony and rhytm. It has varied quite a bit, > from the racket in the earliest stuff to the less archaic overharmonization, > the sharp-voiced 80's and the rhytm-centered stuff a bit later. My opinion is that the drum rythm gives the songs too simplistic feel. They seem to cover (and they can, believe me) bad nonsense themes. Understand? > My newest purchase was White Eagle: Mojave Plan is the most electronic thing > I know, Midnight In Tula sounds like Super Mario Bros, Convention of the 24 > would surely have been better if composed during the Baumann era, and the > title track is a skyish jewel. > > John Vertical I've heard that Midnight In Tula is actually used in some old Amiga game as a background music. Not sure about this tought... Regards, TheInfection Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29722 Re: stuff Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Tue 10/23/2001 2 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 9:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: stuff >I've heard that Midnight In Tula is actually used in some old Amiga >game as a background music. Not sure about this tought... > >Regards, >TheInfection It's actually a 'Commodore 64'-game called 'The Last Ninja'. Lovely version. ;) I've got it as a mp3-file if you would like to hear it. Rolf http://www.rcade.pp.se From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 10:34 am Subject: Re: Artwork collection I traded for a copy of this art disc as I have no other source. If you haven't got the art work or were worried about the quality, I can advise that the art is ordered in alphabetical files by location or title to save hunting through all the files for specific items. Having printed several off on colour laserjet and an old inkjet, I can also confirm that the quality has been excellent. It's also been interesting just looking at shows and the art, even if I haven't got the relevant recording. Regards Toby --- In tadream@y..., Felna Greymane wrote: > Hello everyone. > > I wanted to post a note to the lists to let you know that our attempt to > make a comprehensive collection of boot/fan recording insert art is finally > completed. There is no commercial TD artwork included. It is on one disc > (667 Meg) and includes 600 titles of art (several with multiple different > covers). You can see the list at: > > http://www.geocities.com/greymane98/Unofficial_Recording_Art.html > > Although it is not all inclusive of all the bootleg/fantape material out > there, I think it is probably safe to say it is the single most > comprehensive collection of art that has been gathered together in one > place. I think all of the 'standard' and well known recording artwork has > been included as well as a lot of obscure titles. I want to especially > thank the people that helped contribute directly to this project (you know > who you are). Your assistance was greatly appreciated! > > If you want to get a copy of this collection you can contact either Totta > Rydqvist at tomas.rydqvist@g... or me (Jeff Stevenson) > at greymane@k... > > Jeff Stevenson > greymane@k... > > Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 > (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 10:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] What Edgar said > > He also said that TD is fully booked until 2007 > > Did he elaborate on that remark? Booked for what? He gave no details, just that they are crammed full with projects for the next 6 years. Another statement was that there are no plans to release a CD of this years' concert (London and Warsaw), but he hopes to have the 'Inferno' show ready for release towards the end of this year. Edgar also said (in a friendly manner) that he doesn't care about the fans...guess I'll unsubscribe from the mailing list immediately! ~LOL~ Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29727 Re: What Edgar said mengels@w... Tue 10/23/2001 2 KB 29730 Re: What Edgar said webmaster@j... Tue 10/23/2001 2 KB From: Thenite0wl@a... Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 11:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] What Edgar said Hi.. So he doesnt care about the fans...? Just as well he wasnt speaking in 'an unfriendly manner' otherwise we would all possibly un-subscribe........ but would we still purchase the music.... ? Regards Paul From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 11:17 am Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] What Edgar said LOL! Even if it's just to say it's a complete piece of crap, I guess there will be many around here to buy the next CD as long as the words 'tangerine' and 'dream' (and 'froese') are on the cover! :) Anyway, someone made a remark on the ground liftaz catalog. What about TDI? Wasn't they supposed to produce/release other artists someday? What happened? Did they only receive fan tapes? Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) From: Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 1:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What Edgar said > Edgar also said (in a friendly manner) that he > doesn't care about the fans...guess I'll > unsubscribe from the mailing list immediately! ~LOL~ Well, I personally don't care about Edgar and what he says too so that makes 2. :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 12:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: stuff >My opinion is that the drum rythm gives the songs too simplistic >feel. They seem to cover (and they can, believe me) bad nonsense >themes. Understand? > Simplistic yes, bad themes yes, (though I sort of disagree with this) covering yes... but what do you mean with 'nonsense' here? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29794 Re: stuff rubyconist@y... Thu 10/25/2001 2 KB From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 1:41 pm Subject: Re: What Edgar said Heiko H wrote: >Another statement was that there are no >plans to release a CD of this years' concert (London and Warsaw) Now that's good thinking. Why release what has already been released? Olle From: webmaster@j... Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 1:53 pm Subject: Re: What Edgar said If Edgar dosn't take care of his fans, why does he play in front of them? Maybe he got blind and doesn't know that these sounds are not from Jeromes keys but are the audience in front of him!? Take care of yourself and buy and listen whatever you want, but remember E. doesn't care about you! From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 2:33 pm Subject: Re: What Edgar said In a message dated 10/23/01 6:56:35 AM, heiko.heerssen@h... writes: >Edgar also said (in a friendly manner) that he doesn't care about the fans... That can be interpreted a couple ways. If he means that he doesn't care whether the fans like his music, I can't blame him--artists should go where their muses lead them, not necessarily where fans want them to go. --Daniel NP: Wolfsheim--Spectators From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 2:46 pm Subject: [tadream] Re: What Edgar said I am sure that is what he means... >>> quarlie@a... 10/23/01 10:33AM >>> In a message dated 10/23/01 6:56:35 AM, heiko.heerssen@h... writes: >Edgar also said (in a friendly manner) that he doesn't care about the fans... That can be interpreted a couple ways. If he means that he doesn't care whether the fans like his music, I can't blame him--artists should go where their muses lead them, not necessarily where fans want them to go. --Daniel NP: Wolfsheim--Spectators ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 3:07 pm Subject: alive and kicking Thanks for the fabulous info, RJ, and to others who responded. Picked up Ancient Dreams and Between Two Worlds and love them both. They sound like the desert to me. Hear lots of PPG on there. Looking forward to getting So Flows the Current next. Have just about tapped out the TD list as far as official releases are concerned. (Can't find Air Sculpture or anything along those lines around here.) Also a confession: I remember the season when Patrick scored Falcon Crest - wound up sitting through more than a few episodes just to listen to the music! Liondream From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 3:12 pm Subject: what Edgar said Hahaha! Bravo, Marcel! I don't care about Edgar either, so I guess we're even. What I care about is the music. I guess that's the common ground between us fans and EF, the music. I say that in a friendly manner, of course!!! LOL << Subject: Re: What Edgar said > Edgar also said (in a friendly manner) that he > doesn't care about the fans...guess I'll > unsubscribe from the mailing list immediately! ~LOL~ Well, I personally don't care about Edgar and what he says too so that makes 2. :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w...>>> From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 3:18 pm Subject: stuff Definitely simple in terms of both melody and rhythm. The rhythm has always made me think of one of those Roland Dr. Rhythm boxes. But that's also the beauty of it (Encore is still arguably my favorite TD album). The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Did I say that right? You get the point though. Sometimes... or maybe even more often than not, I think simplicity is more difficult to achieve than complexity. One could argue that Bach is fairly simplistic from a technical perspective. Certainly Vivaldi's Four Seasons would be a prime example - yet it endures. << Subject: Re: Re: stuff >My opinion is that the drum rythm gives the songs too simplistic >feel. They seem to cover (and they can, believe me) bad nonsense >themes. Understand? > Simplistic yes, bad themes yes, (though I sort of disagree with this) covering yes... but what do you mean with 'nonsense' here? John Vertical>>> From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 3:28 pm Subject: Midnight in Tula in video games Midnight in Tula was in an Amiga or Commodore video game (Ninja 2 I believe was the name). Some kind soul made a realmedia file of this available some time back. I still have a copy somewhere I think. It's actually kind of interesting because it's an expanded form of MiT, with some additional 'variations' mixed in. Too bad it's all done with a 3 voice synth chip, otherwise this might actually be a really nice piece to own. James > -----Original Message----- > I've heard that Midnight In Tula is actually used in some old Amiga > game as a background music. Not sure about this tought... > > Regards, > TheInfection Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29737 Re: Midnight in Tula in video games Dennis Nigbur Tue 10/23/2001 4 KB 29756 Re: Midnight in Tula in video games Lauri Turjansalo Wed 10/24/2001 3 KB 29758 Re: Midnight in Tula in video games mengels@w... Wed 10/24/2001 3 KB 29770 Re: Midnight in Tula in video games Lauri Turjansalo Wed 10/24/2001 2 KB 29741 Re: Midnight in Tula in video games Joe Shoults Tue 10/23/2001 3 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 4:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Midnight in Tula in video games I think it was The Last Ninja II (stupid name if ever I saw one). I wonder how legal that whole thing was. There also used to be a platform game called Bomb Jack which had Jarre's Chants Magnetiques as background music, and I think something from Zoolook was the properly licensed title score for a game called Captain Blood. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' To: Sent: 23 October 2001 16:28 Subject: [tadream] Midnight in Tula in video games > Midnight in Tula was in an Amiga or Commodore video game (Ninja 2 I believe > was the name). > Some kind soul made a realmedia file of this available some time back. I > still have a copy somewhere I think. > It's actually kind of interesting because it's an expanded form of MiT, with > some additional 'variations' mixed in. Too bad it's all done with a 3 voice > synth chip, otherwise this might actually be a really nice piece to own. > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > I've heard that Midnight In Tula is actually used in some old Amiga > > game as a background music. Not sure about this tought... > > > > Regards, > > TheInfection > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29756 Re: Midnight in Tula in video games Lauri Turjansalo Wed 10/24/2001 3 KB 29758 Re: Midnight in Tula in video games mengels@w... Wed 10/24/2001 3 KB 29770 Re: Midnight in Tula in video games Lauri Turjansalo Wed 10/24/2001 2 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 4:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What Edgar said That must be either a misquote or a misunderstanding. Edgar is very fond of TD fans, otherwise he'd hardly play concerts, go to post-concert backstage gatherings, sign everyone's records, et cetera. What Edgar HAS definitely said on more than one occasion is that he doesn't care what type of music the fans want him to play (see, for instance, the booklets for Tangents and Beyond the Storm). Neither should he. No matter how much we might be clamouring for Rubycon II, we'd probably all find it quite unoriginal if TD were just copying themselves in that way. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 23 October 2001 14:55 Subject: Re: [tadream] What Edgar said > > Edgar also said (in a friendly manner) that he > > doesn't care about the fans...guess I'll > > unsubscribe from the mailing list immediately! ~LOL~ > > Well, I personally don't care about Edgar and what > he says too so that makes 2. :-) > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 4:36 pm Subject: alive and kicking (poh) >Also a confession: I remember the season when Patrick scored Falcon Crest - wound up sitting through more than a few episodes just to listen to the music!< I used to put the weather channel on or as I used to call it--the ambient channel--for patrick o'hearn's music there. --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 4:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] What Edgar said I seriously question the context of this comment and its true meaning. To throw out a tidbit that he 'doesn't care about the fans', what does this mean? Doesn't care about the fans *what*? That's just not enough information and smacks of spin. Is this perhaps a poor EuroEnglish translation? You think he really hates fans in general? Could it be he was referring to fans' opinions on how he should make his music? This certainly would not be news to this crowd. Understand that some people, for whatever bitter reason, are just *looking* for opportunities to make Edgar look like a jerk. Perhaps he's guilty of some unwritten rule that you don't actually *say* that you are an artist who thinks and creates independently. Perhaps it is following the 'rules' that you allow the fans to think that they play some sort of role in the creative process themselves. To burst their bubble and make them realize that they mean *nothing* in the creative process at all means that some of them will be offended. God forbid an artist should actually say this, eh? Joe > -----Original Message----- > Hi.. > So he doesnt care about the fans...? > Just as well he wasnt speaking in 'an unfriendly manner' > otherwise we would all > possibly un-subscribe........ but would we still purchase the > music.... ? From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 5:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Midnight in Tula in video games for reference, we have many of these midi files here: http://www.tadream.net/midi/TANGERINE/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:29 AM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: [tadream] Midnight in Tula in video games > > > Midnight in Tula was in an Amiga or Commodore video game > (Ninja 2 I believe > was the name). > Some kind soul made a realmedia file of this available some > time back. I > still have a copy somewhere I think. > It's actually kind of interesting because it's an expanded > form of MiT, with > some additional 'variations' mixed in. Too bad it's all done > with a 3 voice > synth chip, otherwise this might actually be a really nice > piece to own. > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > I've heard that Midnight In Tula is actually used in some old Amiga > > game as a background music. Not sure about this tought... > > > > Regards, > > TheInfection > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 5:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What Edgar said Well said, Joe. Even if Edgar did say he 'doesn't care about the fans' rather than saying he 'doesn't care about the fans' opinion', it doesn't seem permissible to take this quote out of the context in which it was mentioned. Edgar and Jerome have repeatedly thanked their fans for the good atmosphere and their supports at concerts. There was a message on the TD web site after the Shepherd's Bush 1996 concert thanking the fans for the great evening, and after the 1997 tour they mentioned the warm reception they'd had from the German fans. Edgar has repeatedly mentioned that he always feels very welcome and appreciated in England. All this doesn't seem to tally with 'not caring about the fans.' Also, maybe this is just a case of giving the guy too much of a hard time for not being a native speaker of English. Quotes taken out of context often don't reflect what their source was trying to communicate, especially if that source was having to feed its thoughts through a process of translation into a language that is foreign to them. As a German living in England, I've probably offended or misled people countless times without meaning to, or even noticing it. I suppose considering that a large part of the world's population speaks English at least to some extent, it is too easy for native speakers of English to assume that other people actually do think in English themselves, and only normally use their own languages to annoy the anglophone world... Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: 23 October 2001 17:59 Subject: RE: [tadream] What Edgar said > I seriously question the context of this comment and its true meaning. To > throw out a tidbit that he 'doesn't care about the fans', what does this > mean? Doesn't care about the fans *what*? That's just not enough > information and smacks of spin. Is this perhaps a poor EuroEnglish > translation? You think he really hates fans in general? Could it be he was > referring to fans' opinions on how he should make his music? This certainly > would not be news to this crowd. > > Understand that some people, for whatever bitter reason, are just *looking* > for opportunities to make Edgar look like a jerk. Perhaps he's guilty of > some unwritten rule that you don't actually *say* that you are an artist who > thinks and creates independently. Perhaps it is following the 'rules' that > you allow the fans to think that they play some sort of role in the creative > process themselves. To burst their bubble and make them realize that they > mean *nothing* in the creative process at all means that some of them will > be offended. God forbid an artist should actually say this, eh? > > Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > > Hi.. > > So he doesnt care about the fans...? > > Just as well he wasnt speaking in 'an unfriendly manner' > > otherwise we would all > > possibly un-subscribe........ but would we still purchase the > > music.... ? > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Oct 23, 2001 11:53 pm Subject: Re: stuff In a message dated 10/23/01 11:21:59 AM, Liondream@a... writes: >One could argue that Bach is fairly simplistic from a technical perspective. One would be wrong, though. ;) --Daniel NP: Fictional--Fictitious From: Scribe1964@a... Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 1:46 am Subject: Ages on CD? Hello all. I recently bought Ages on CD, but was disappointed to find the last song from the LP missing. Does anyone know if there is a CD version that contains the entire album? Thanks. --Ric Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29749 Re: Ages on CD? John Marchington Wed 10/24/2001 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 2:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: stuff >One could argue that Bach is fairly simplistic from a technical perspective. One would be wrong, though. ;) *Whoa! I must have missed that original post... Who said Bach is simplistic??? That's ridiculous.. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 2:55 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: stuff haha- deja vu all over again, or is it just me? Joe np: Destination Berlin, believe it or not -----Original Message----- From: quarlie@a... To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: 10/23/01 7:53 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: stuff In a message dated 10/23/01 11:21:59 AM, Liondream@a... writes: >One could argue that Bach is fairly simplistic from a technical perspective. One would be wrong, though. ;) --Daniel NP: Fictional--Fictitious From: ohmss761@c... Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 3:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] White Eagle Encore In a message dated 10/22/2001 5:13:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, johnvertical@h... writes: > > > >Btw, I finally bought Encore. What I've listened, Monolight is the > >best track. Very nice melodies, old and new. Thick soundscapes. > I love Encore....it's like four albums in one. The 1st track is a thoroughly-structured 'symphonic' movement, opening with that piece similar to 'Abyss' from Sorcerer. The 2nd is a gorgeous 'nightime' adagio, love that acoustic piano. The 3rd a fast allegro, the synth ostinati never letting up. The 4th an inconclusive, creative dive into electric atonality. Great example of synths used in classical/symphonic form. > > My newest purchase was White Eagle: Mojave Plan is the most electronic > thing > I know, Midnight In Tula sounds like Super Mario Bros, Convention of the 24 > would surely have been better if composed during the Baumann era, and the > title track is a skyish jewel. > > John Vertical > I agree...some of those percussion tracks are really 'pokey', and as a matter of fact, I used to play Nintendo listening to this album! The title track, and most of Mojave Plan make it very much worthwhile. NP:In Dreams(Goldenthal) All the best, Sean [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 3:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Encore << I love Encore....it's like four albums in one. The 1st track is a thoroughly-structured 'symphonic' movement, opening with that piece similar to 'Abyss' from Sorcerer. The 2nd is a gorgeous 'nightime' adagio, love that acoustic piano. The 3rd a fast allegro, the synth ostinati never letting up. The 4th an inconclusive, creative dive into electric atonality. Great example of synths used in classical/symphonic form. >> *That's a wonderful perspective... I bought Stratosfear when it first came out and was completely blown away by the possibilities of the synthesizer, but it was buying Encores that cemented a life long desire to create music with them... back then synths were completely out of reach pricewise for someone like me... but listening to Encores and thinking of how they made up these soundworlds on the spot seemed to be complete magic.... (of course later I found out the most of Encores was studio fabrication, but the magic is still there musically when I listen to it.) Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29751 Re: Encore mengels@w... Wed 10/24/2001 2 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 3:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ages on CD? Hi Ric. I bought it myself on CD some time ago and, like you, found that 'Golgatha and the Circle Closes' had been left off the disc. It seems that a decision was made to release it as a single CD rather than duplicate the original 2-LP release and, as you probably realise, the total time including that track would have been over 80 minutes, which seems to be about the time limit for a single CD. Like you, I was disappointed so I made further enquiries but to the best of my knowledge that's it -- until Virgin have perhaps a change of heart. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:46 PM Subject: [tadream] Ages on CD? > Hello all. I recently bought Ages on CD, but was disappointed to find the > last song from the LP missing. Does anyone know if there is a CD version > that contains the entire album? Thanks. > > --Ric > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 4:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] White Eagle, Encore >I love Encore....it's like four albums in one. The 1st track is a >thoroughly-structured 'symphonic' movement, opening with that piece similar >to 'Abyss' from Sorcerer. And is it just me, or do I hear a small bit of Betrayal around 11 minutes? I haven't got Sorcerer yet, I'm just judging by the small official discography clip... > > My newest purchase was White Eagle: Mojave Plan is the most electronic > > thing > > I know, Midnight In Tula sounds like Super Mario Bros, Convention of the >24 > > would surely have been better if composed during the Baumann era, and >the > > title track is a skyish jewel. > > > > John Vertical > > > >I agree...some of those percussion tracks are really 'pokey', and as a >matter >of fact, I used to play Nintendo listening to this album! The title track, >and most of Mojave Plan make it very much worthwhile. > >NP:In Dreams(Goldenthal) > >All the best, >Sean In fact, I'm listening to Mojave Plan at the moment. It's currently climbing up my Top 50 (or something) list... the only section I don't actually care about is the 2nd to last. That one somehow also resembles the 2nd half of Jarre's Calypso Part 2, though there's not that much similarity. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 8:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Encore > Quoten Synthhtnys@a...: > these soundworlds on the spot seemed to be complete magic.... (of course > later I found out the most of Encores was studio fabrication, but the magic > is still there musically when I listen to it.) > Poly It is indeed a most wonderful album and imo how live em should/could sound like. But it is not all studio fabrication though. If you listen to the Washington or other recordings then you definitely hear the 1st and 2nd track being played live. I've never heard Coldwater Canyon anywhere in those recordings though. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 7:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Encore It is indeed a most wonderful album and imo how live em should/could sound like. But it is not all studio fabrication though. If you listen to the Washington or other recordings then you definitely hear the 1st and 2nd track being played live. *No, Not all of it, but a large chunk of it is in the studio.... regardless it still has a certain magic that other studio albums don't Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 9:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] More spottings I think it was The Last Ninja II (stupid name if ever I saw one). I wonder how legal that whole thing was. There also used to be a platform game called Bomb Jack which had Jarre's Chants Magnetiques as background music, and I think something from Zoolook was the properly licensed title score for a game called Captain Blood. > >Dennis > I've heard Underwater Twilight at the background of a document about fractals, and various Jarre's pieces on our Swedish course cassettes during 7th to 9th grade. Plus Kraftwerk's Radioactivity on a document about(surprize!) radioactivity. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 9:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Encore ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: 24 October 2001 05:27 Subject: Re: [tadream] White Eagle, Encore > And is it just me, or do I hear a small bit of Betrayal around 11 minutes? I > haven't got Sorcerer yet, I'm just judging by the small official discography > clip... There's quite a bit from different parts of Sorcerer. The first track is definitely the most medley-ish of the pieces on Encore. But due to the type of music they produced in those days and the superior arrangement, it sounds very organic and natural. Dennis From: 'Phil White' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 9:59 am Subject: TDream...Chill Out ? Hi All, Quote from the current issue of 'Future Music' magazine here in the UK.... 'In their early days,Tangerine Dream produced some of the best chilled music ever' They use Rubycon as a chill out reference ??? Epsilon In Malaysian Pale surely qualifies even more ? Discuss.... Regards Phil [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29769 Re: TDream...Chill Out ? John Vertical Wed 10/24/2001 2 KB 29773 Re: TDream...Chill Out ? Paul Lawler Wed 10/24/2001 2 KB 29775 Re: TDream...Chill Out ? Owens, James Wed 10/24/2001 2 KB 29779 Re: TDream...Chill Out ? Sean Montgomery Wed 10/24/2001 2 KB 29791 Re: TDream...Chill Out ? John Vertical Thu 10/25/2001 3 KB 29796 Re: TDream...Chill Out ? rubyconist@y... Thu 10/25/2001 2 KB 29802 Re: TDream...Chill Out ? John Vertical Thu 10/25/2001 3 KB 29818 Re: TDream...Chill Out ? rubyconist@y... Fri 10/26/2001 3 KB 29863 Re: TDream...Chill Out ? Adele Outland Tue 10/30/2001 3 KB From: 'Lauri Turjansalo' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 10:03 am Subject: Re: Midnight in Tula in video games Hello, > I think it was The Last Ninja II (stupid name if ever I saw one). I > wonder how legal that whole thing was. Yes, it was The Last Ninja II (a great game btw!). The soundtrack was done by Matt Gray. He indeed covered Midnight in Tula in one of the ingame tunes and also TD's track Alchemy of the Heart. Like James mentioned it was all done with 3 voices. But I think those little tunes are real masterpieces. Commodore 64's soundchip (it's called SID actually) was ahead of its time and produced very phat analog sounds. A couple of years ago a synthesizer called SidStation was released, it's purely based on the soundchip of C64. The c64music still lives: www.c64audio.com, remix.kwed.org, hvsc.c64.org > There also used to be a > platform game called Bomb Jack which had Jarre's Chants Magnetiques > as background music, and I think something from Zoolook was the > properly licensed title score for a game called Captain Blood. Yes back in the 80s there were zillions of games that had covers of Jarre's and Vangelis' music in them. Parallax, Yie Ar the Kung Fu & Hypersports just to name a few. // Lauri. -- cirdan.cjb.net pdreams.cjb.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29758 Re: Midnight in Tula in video games mengels@w... Wed 10/24/2001 3 KB 29770 Re: Midnight in Tula in video games Lauri Turjansalo Wed 10/24/2001 2 KB From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 7:00 am Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 ARTWORK PREVIEW Hello everyone Dreamwatchers' Tales 2 is still running. I got some tracks and still waiting for contributors who have to send me their music. These contributors are invited to contact me to confirm their participations. Anyway the artwork and design is currently on its way and a very first version can be viewed through Fred Yargui's minimal website. This new project is now called 'Dreamwatchers' Tales Fable II - Visions of the Watchgirl' A special design is planned for this new project. A DVD case version is on discussion for a special release and a CD case design is of course planned but we did not yet decided if there will be a different artwork or a crop version of the DVD one. It's also planned to create a picture for each track. What do you think about all this ? On Fred's website you can see the DVD case artwork and the associated Booklet cover. You can also see the preview CDR artwork. Here are the links http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y/dvd-cover.gif http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y/booklet-cover.gif http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y/cd-promo-cover.gif Hope you enjoy this work. Waiting for reactions and suggestions Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29759 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 ARTWORK PREVIEW j.gordon Wed 10/24/2001 2 KB 29778 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 ARTWORK PREVIEW Deb H-J Wed 10/24/2001 2 KB 29798 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 ARTWORK PREVIEW TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Thu 10/25/2001 2 KB 29801 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 ARTWORK PREVIEW Yannick EDOM Thu 10/25/2001 3 KB 29803 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 ARTWORK PREVIEW Peter Ravn Thu 10/25/2001 4 KB 29805 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 ARTWORK PREVIEW TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Thu 10/25/2001 3 KB From: Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 12:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Midnight in Tula in video games >Quoten Lauri Turjansalo : > Like James mentioned it was all done with 3 voices. But I think > those little tunes are real masterpieces. Commodore 64's soundchip > (it's called SID actually) was ahead of its time and produced very > phat analog sounds. A couple of years ago a synthesizer called > SidStation was released, it's purely based on the soundchip of C64. > > The c64music still lives: www.c64audio.com, remix.kwed.org, > hvsc.c64.org Yes, most wonderful soundchip! It made me doing music in the first place, using a program to do sequencer-like music. My fav. c64 musician would be Martin Galway. As strange as it may seem to some people but I still get tears in my eyes when hearing some of the old tunes. And thankgod for the sidplayers for the PC. When I first heard Midnight in Tula I immediately recognised it but did not know from where. Of course it was from a c64 game. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29770 Re: Midnight in Tula in video games Lauri Turjansalo Wed 10/24/2001 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 1:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 ARTWORK PREVIEW yannick... the artwork looks great... how would dvd version work? what would you watch while listening to the music? keep up the great work... =) j __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 1:26 pm Subject: Valley of the Sun Just listening to 'Valley of the Sun' on my computer here at work. WHAT AN INCREDIBLE PIECE OF MUSIC!!! It seems no matter how many times I hear this, it just amazes me the depth and power. Structure and melody, yet it still has an other-worldly sound to it. All I can say is it's a DAMN SHAME EF&CF can't get to together now and again to make more MASTERPIECES like this!!! James NP:Valley of the Sun (of course) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29780 Re: Valley of the Sun Matthew Stringer Wed 10/24/2001 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 2:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Valley of the Sun >>Just listening to 'Valley of the Sun' on my computer here at work. WHAT >>AN >INCREDIBLE PIECE OF MUSIC!!! It seems no matter how many times I hear >this, >it just amazes me the depth and power. Structure and melody, yet it still >has an other-worldly sound to it. All I can say is it's a DAMN SHAME EF&CF >can't get to together now and again to make more MASTERPIECES like this!!! > >James >NP:Valley of the Sun (of course) > You got your hands on it just a while ago, right? It impressed me as well immediately. I think I'll have to check it out from my mp3 collection... Indeed good, but no cigar. The middle part sounds too jolly for me - the beginning and the end would suggest something darker. Most the Froese/Franke pieces I've heard are great. Is there anything else besides Green Desert, Force Majeure, and the bonus disk of Dream Roots? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29786 Re: Valley of the Sun RJF Thu 10/25/2001 2 KB From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 2:25 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Valley of the Sun John Vertical wrote : 'Most the Froese/Franke pieces I've heard are great. Is there anything else besides Green Desert, Force Majeure, and the bonus disk of Dream Roots?' Well, even if PH was there, all the tracks on Underwater Sunlight have been composed by EF and CF only. Although I don't have the dream dice bonus, it's fun to notice from those albums that EF and CF seemed to be like a band within the band. There must have been some incredible alchemy between the 2 guys (on the musical level). This is probably the reason for Edgar's bitterness about CF's departure. Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 2:45 pm Subject: Bach Oh, that was me. Maybe Bach wasn't such a good example then - maybe Vivaldi is okay. The point I was trying to make is that there are also classical music pieces that are more 'simple' but that are every bit as 'valid' as music. <<One could argue that Bach is fairly simplistic from a technical perspective. One would be wrong, though. ;) *Whoa! I must have missed that original post... Who said Bach is simplistic???That's ridiculous.. Poly>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29783 Re: Bach Synthhtnys@a... Wed 10/24/2001 2 KB From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 2:50 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Valley of the Sun It's funny, I only thought something along those lines today, while listening through some of the Haslinger (World Without Rules, Future Primitive) and Franke (Klemania, Celestine Prophecy) solo recordings. Haslinger excelled in TD as an instrumentalist, but these two solo albums don't seem to have a lot to do with TD style or his own instrumental proficiency. Franke's work, on the other hand, is of the familiar high standard of composition, but positively seems to cry out for someone with the vision of Edgar Froese. Maybe this is why Franke moved into soundtrack recording - he's brilliant at writing very evocative music, but he seems to require some external input to get his sonic imagination going. I think the Froese/Franke partnership was one of the great double ventures in rock history. Listening to Franke's and Froese's work today, one can tell exactly what made them great as a partnership, and what seems to be lacking now from each man's solo work. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 24 October 2001 15:25 Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Valley of the Sun John Vertical wrote : 'Most the Froese/Franke pieces I've heard are great. Is there anything else besides Green Desert, Force Majeure, and the bonus disk of Dream Roots?' Well, even if PH was there, all the tracks on Underwater Sunlight have been composed by EF and CF only. Although I don't have the dream dice bonus, it's fun to notice from those albums that EF and CF seemed to be like a band within the band. There must have been some incredible alchemy between the 2 guys (on the musical level). This is probably the reason for Edgar's bitterness about CF's departure. Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29855 Re : Franke/ Froese toby.braddick@u... Mon 10/29/2001 5 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 2:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Valley of the Sun + poetry Hi John, > -----Original Message----- > >James > >NP:Valley of the Sun (of course) > > > You got your hands on it just a while ago, right? It > impressed me as well > immediately. I've had it for several years, but it still amazes me. > Indeed good, but no cigar. The middle part sounds too jolly I wouldn't describe the middle section as 'jolly'. MAJESTIC is a much better word. > the beginning and the end would suggest something darker. That's precisely part of what makes this track so great. It's like so many other things in life: There's lots of tough parts where things aren't necessarily peachy, but they are punctuated with moments of pure bliss! I picture this as a hike to a mountain top. The climb starts inconspicuously. The trail is steep and rough, but the view at the top - looking off into the valley of the sun - makes all the effort worthwhile. But bliss cannot last forever, and we must eventually return to the trailhead, and back to life as usual... I'll go to that high summit again and again, for the majesty that spans beyond my ken. My trek is long, but I will be strong and though my journey's just begun, my faith draws me there to see the Valley of the Sun. ---poetry by James Owens, inspired by 'Valley of the Sun' by Tangerine Dream Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29767 Re: Valley of the Sun + poetry John Vertical Wed 10/24/2001 3 KB 29774 Re: Valley of the Sun + poetry Owens, James Wed 10/24/2001 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 3:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Franke/Froese >Well, even if PH was there, all the tracks on Underwater Sunlight have been >composed by EF and CF only. Okay. Even though I rather meant stuff that's also mainly played by Fra/Fro. Or how much did Paul Haslinger submit to that album? At least the piano, I think. >Although I don't have the dream dice bonus, it's fun to notice from those >albums that EF and CF seemed to be like a band within the band. >There must have been some incredible alchemy between the 2 guys (on the >musical level). >This is probably the reason for Edgar's bitterness about CF's departure. > >Thomas. Franke indeed defines the classic TD, at least for me. However I heard somewhere that they've met privately only once... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29768 Re: Franke/Froese thomas.soucheleau@n... Wed 10/24/2001 2 KB 29772 Re: Franke/Froese Paul Lawler Wed 10/24/2001 2 KB 29776 Re: Franke/Froese Owens, James Wed 10/24/2001 3 KB 29777 Re: Franke/Froese Michael Jean Wed 10/24/2001 2 KB 29790 Re: Franke/Froese Yannick EDOM Thu 10/25/2001 2 KB 29792 Re: Franke/Froese John Vertical Thu 10/25/2001 3 KB 29795 Re: Franke/Froese rubyconist@y... Thu 10/25/2001 2 KB 29807 Re: Franke/Froese Dennis Nigbur Thu 10/25/2001 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 3:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Valley of the Sun + poetry > > Indeed good, but no cigar. The middle part sounds too jolly > >I wouldn't describe the middle section as 'jolly'. MAJESTIC is a much >better word. > There's a difference between 'jolly' and 'too jolly'. Million would be smaller than million and one, even though it isn't a small number. I hope you understand... > > the beginning and the end would suggest something darker. > >That's precisely part of what makes this track so great. It's like so many >other things in life: There's lots of tough parts where things aren't >necessarily peachy, but they are punctuated with moments of pure bliss! > >I picture this as a hike to a mountain top. The climb starts >inconspicuously. The trail is steep and rough, but the view at the top - >looking off into the valley of the sun - makes all the effort worthwhile. >But bliss cannot last forever, and we must eventually return to the >trailhead, and back to life as usual... > > I'll go to that high summit again and again, > for the majesty that spans beyond my ken. > My trek is long, but I will be strong > and though my journey's just begun, > my faith draws me there > to see the Valley of the Sun. > >---poetry by James Owens, inspired by 'Valley of the Sun' by Tangerine >Dream Hee, that's great. When did you write that? Three minutes or three years ago? I can understand your views, even though I don't agree with them completely. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 3:21 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Franke/Froese Hard to say who actually performed what on a studio album, but Paul certainly did the piano part and the final synth lead on ride on the ray. Actually, I'd say, anything neither EF nor CF would have been able to play that well! :) As for the Franke/golden/classic era thing, I don't really care since I think that Jerome really found a way to drive the band into new territories (please, don't hate me), but I have to admit that from the day CF left, the band dramatically turned into something else. Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 3:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDream...Chill Out ? >Hi All, >Quote from the current issue of 'Future Music' magazine >here in the UK.... > >'In their early days,Tangerine Dream produced some of the best chilled >music ever' > >They use Rubycon as a chill out reference ??? >Epsilon In Malaysian Pale surely qualifies even more ? > >Discuss.... > >Regards Phil Could I get a quick translation of 'chill out'? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Lauri Turjansalo' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 3:27 pm Subject: Re: Midnight in Tula in video games > Yes, most wonderful soundchip! > It made me doing music in the first place, using a > program to do sequencer-like music. > My fav. c64 musician would be Martin Galway. Galway made great tunes, yes. My faves are Ben Daglish, Jonathan Dunn and Chris Huelsbeck. And let's not forget the SID master Rob Hubbard. Simply brilliant synth music. > As strange as it may seem to some people but I > still get tears in my eyes when hearing some of > the old tunes. Yes, I know what you mean =) // Lauri. -- cirdan.cjb.net From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 3:39 pm Subject: haslinger I'm checking out Paul Haslinger's web site right now. It has a new design, at least since my last visit, and I've been surprised to see in his chronology section that he studied musicology for 2 years between 1988 and 1990. I'm wondering about his degree of involvment in the making of Lily on the Beach and the awfull Destination Berlin. Or may be this was just an easy job to him (and some quick buck)! I'm also wondering if this had anything to do with his decision to leave TD for more ambitious horizons (lightwave and various not so much known projects). Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------ NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 3:39 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Franke/Froese ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Franke/Froese >Hard to say who actually performed what on a studio album, but Paul >certainly did the piano part and the final synth lead on ride on the ray. >Actually, I'd say, anything neither EF nor CF would have been able to play >that well! :) Mark Shreeve told me the Franke is an amazing keyboard player actually . He blew everybody away whilst messing about on the keyboards when he was recording Legion .Whether or not he could have matched Pauls classical performances in the 86 (?) tour is another question . Where is Valley of the Sun from ? I dont think I`ve ever heard of it . Paul From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 3:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDream...Chill Out ? > Could I get a quick translation of 'chill out'? > > John Vertical It means anything below a certain tempo to record companies ;) Paul From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 5:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Valley of the Sun + poetry John (the upright one) Wrote: > -----Original Message----- > There's a difference between 'jolly' and 'too jolly'. Million > would be > smaller than million and one, even though it isn't a small > number. I hope > you understand... gotcha. There is definitely a blissful aspect without quite making it to 'giddy'. So we agree. > > I'll go to that high summit again and again, > > for the majesty that spans beyond my ken. > > My trek is long, but I will be strong > > and though my journey's just begun, > > my faith draws me there > > to see the Valley of the Sun. > > > >---poetry by James Owens, inspired by 'Valley of the Sun' by > Tangerine > >Dream > > > Hee, that's great. When did you write that? Three minutes or > three years > ago? Just a little while ago, while I was re-listening to the song to respond to your message. When you get the inspiration, you go with it... James From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 5:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDream...Chill Out ? Chill Out - US slang for 'relax' or 'to relax'. Similar to 'take it easy'. Examples: Me an' my homies were jus' chillin'. (I and my friends were relaxing). Don't have a cow, okay. Just chill out. (Don't get so uptight. Just relax a bit.) Hope this helps, James (chillin' at work) > -----Original Message----- > From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] > Could I get a quick translation of 'chill out'? From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 5:24 pm Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Franke/Froese > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Lawler [mailto:lawlermusic@s...] > Mark Shreeve told me the Franke is an amazing keyboard player > actually . He > blew everybody away whilst messing about on the keyboards when he was > recording Legion .Whether or not he could have matched Pauls classical > performances in the 86 (?) tour is another question . Does Franke play on Legion? What's the relationship between Shreeve and Franke? > Where is Valley of the Sun from ? I dont think I`ve ever heard of it . Valley of the Sun is the opening track of disc 5 of 'The Dream Roots Collection'. According to the booklet, the songs on that disc are all (previously) unreleased tracks recorded in studio during the time after Johannes Schmoelling left the band and prior to their recruiting Paul Haslinger. Most of the songs (including this one) list Franke first on the composition credits. This lends credence to his claim that he was making most of the music and Edgar was taking care of the business side. All I know is, if it was mostly Franke doing Valley of the Sun, I want to hear more! C'mon Chris, let's here some more masterpieces like this! James From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 5:34 pm Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Franke/Froese >>> james.owens@m... 10/24/01 01:24PM >>> > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Lawler [mailto:lawlermusic@s...] > Mark Shreeve told me the Franke is an amazing keyboard player > actually . He > blew everybody away whilst messing about on the keyboards when he was > recording Legion .Whether or not he could have matched Pauls classical > performances in the 86 (?) tour is another question . Does Franke play on Legion? What's the relationship between Shreeve and Franke? CF plays on one track, though I forget the title of it... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Deb H-J Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 5:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 ARTWORK PREVIEW Yannick: The artwork is very nice, remiscient of some classic 30's science fiction covers, but '...Watchgirl'? Is she Timex or Seiko, or what? Just kidding :o} Deb H-J dhj4@y... --- Yannick EDOM wrote: > Hello everyone > > Dreamwatchers' Tales 2 is still running. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 6:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDream...Chill Out ? John Vertical wrote: > Could I get a quick translation of 'chill out'? As I understand it, the term originally comes from early 1990s rave culture. Amid all the pounding dance/techno rhythms shaking the rafters at the all-night parties, there were rooms set up which played only relaxing ambient music. This is where one could go to 'chill out' or 'wind down'. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 8:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Valley of the Sun Easily my fave TD track! Matt -----Original Message----- From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] Sent: 24 October 2001 14:26 To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' Subject: [tadream] Valley of the Sun Just listening to 'Valley of the Sun' on my computer here at work. WHAT AN INCREDIBLE PIECE OF MUSIC!!! It seems no matter how many times I hear this, it just amazes me the depth and power. Structure and melody, yet it still has an other-worldly sound to it. All I can say is it's a DAMN SHAME EF&CF can't get to together now and again to make more MASTERPIECES like this!!! James NP:Valley of the Sun (of course) ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 8:28 pm Subject: Re: SID In a message dated 10/24/01 6:05:00 AM, cirdan@c... writes: >Like James mentioned it was all done with 3 voices. But I think >those little tunes are real masterpieces. Commodore 64's soundchip >(it's called SID actually) was ahead of its time and produced very >phat analog sounds. A couple of years ago a synthesizer called >SidStation was released, it's purely based on the soundchip of C64. > >The c64music still lives: www.c64audio.com, remix.kwed.org, >hvsc.c64.org Might as well plug my friend here... there's a Cubase VST instrument called QuadraSID that simulates the SID in software. My best friend did the Mac port, which is how I know about it. Check it out, it's pretty funky. http://www.refx.net/ --Daniel NP: Project Pitchfork--Daimonion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29793 Re: SID Matthew Stringer Thu 10/25/2001 2 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 8:39 pm Subject: Re: Watchgirl In a message dated 10/24/01 1:39:05 PM, dhj4@y... writes: >The artwork is very nice, remiscient of some classic >30's science fiction covers, but '...Watchgirl'? Is >she Timex or Seiko, or what? That is so weird. Just today I met a girl named Seiko, and someone made a joke about the watch company. I'm officially freaked out, now. (Sorry for the OT post.) --Daniel From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Oct 24, 2001 9:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bach Oh, that was me. Maybe Bach wasn't such a good example then - maybe Vivaldi is okay. The point I was trying to make is that there are also classical music pieces *Ah, I see... how about Erik Satie then? Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 12:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Favourite covers My favorite cover is Ricochet and not just because it was my first album. There is something so mysterious and beautiful about those stark, Stonehenge-like, dead tree spires standing against that deep melancholy blue through which a cold bare hope of sun glitters. Least favorite would be Dream Mixes #1. It reminds me more of a 50's be-bop style cover. The girl looks like she's wearing a poodle skirt. Purple and red on yellow. Yuk. 8-) Dell NP: Fairfield Hall Oct 23, 1975: the beginning of Ricochet As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 1:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Eno Isn't Eno the guy who made some of these computer sounds, like the signing on music? 8-) Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: Synthhtnys@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] More Blank than Frank >Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:04:25 EDT > Carty, but I think it's safe to say that he won't be more >revered than Eno. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: RJF Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 1:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Valley of the Sun In message , John Vertical writes >>>Just listening to 'Valley of the Sun' on my computer here at work. WHAT >>>AN >>INCREDIBLE PIECE OF MUSIC!!! It seems no matter how many times I hear >>this, >>it just amazes me the depth and power. Structure and melody, yet it still >>has an other-worldly sound to it. All I can say is it's a DAMN SHAME EF&CF >>can't get to together now and again to make more MASTERPIECES like this!!! Where is this available from? -- RJF From: syldolu@v... Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 2:13 am Subject: Legend and Québec bootlegs Hi to everyone. I promised to send to a friend the best live interpretation of Legend's Love by the sun.There are so many,wich one do you ,people, think it's the best one? Also,i'm looking for the Hilton concert in Québec 77. I do have one,but the sound recording is very bad.I heard that there were a sound improve bootleg from this area. Is it true? I'm also looking for the Québec L'Agora hall concert in 88. If someone want to fix a trade,contact me off list. Thanks Sylvain from Québec http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 6:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: What Edgar said > If Edgar dosn't take care of his fans, why does he play in > front of them? Maybe he got blind and doesn't know that these > sounds are not from Jeromes keys but are the audience in front > of him!? > Take care of yourself and buy and listen whatever you want, > but remember E. doesn't care about you! I wish I had never quoted this statement from Edgar. Regards your 'EuroEnglish translator' (no regards to Joe for saying that) From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 7:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Valley of the Sun > >>>Just listening to 'Valley of the Sun' on my computer here at work. >(...) > Where is this available from? Valley of the sun is one of the four unreleased pieces included in the fifth CD from the famous box Dream Roots Collection. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29819 Re: Valley of the Sun Roger Hartopp Fri 10/26/2001 2 KB From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 7:08 am Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Franke/Froese Hi there > > From: Paul Lawler [mailto:lawlermusic@s...] > > Mark Shreeve told me the Franke is an amazing keyboard player > > actually . He > > blew everybody away whilst messing about on the keyboards when he was > > recording Legion .Whether or not he could have matched Pauls classical > > performances in the 86 (?) tour is another question . > > Does Franke play on Legion? What's the relationship between Shreeve and > Franke? > > CF plays on one track, though I forget the title of it... > Chris played with Mark on the track 'Icon' from the Legion album. On the Bruton label there is a reworked version of this album and called 'oracle'. Icon is also reworked with the Franke's part (don't remember the track new title) and some 'jingle' mixes are also included. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 8:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDream...Chill Out ? > > Could I get a quick translation of 'chill out'? > >As I understand it, the term originally comes from early 1990s rave >culture. Amid all the pounding dance/techno rhythms >shaking the rafters at the all-night parties, there were rooms set up which >played only relaxing ambient music. This is where >one could go to 'chill out' or 'wind down'. > >-- >SEAN MONTGOMERY Okay, thanks to all of you who have once again increased my knowledge of English. Back to the original topic now... Rubycon is very relaxious indeed at some times - especially when compared to the all-rhytm stuff - but still, the sequenced sections aren't too serene. Plenty other TD pieces (Beach Bay Bunker, Hyperborea, Mysterious Semblance...) are however IMO better when it comes to being relaxing. Even Network 23 would be better than the first half of Rubycon Part 2. Zeit could be a nice try, but I don't think it's very friendly.. I don't think TD has ever made anything really hectic. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29796 Re: TDream...Chill Out ? rubyconist@y... Thu 10/25/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 8:13 am Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Franke/Froese >Hard to say who actually performed what on a studio album, but Paul >certainly did the piano part and the final synth lead on ride on the ray. >Actually, I'd say, anything neither EF nor CF would have been able to play >that well! :) Whatever. At least Paul is a durn good pianist. >As for the Franke/golden/classic era thing, I don't really care since I >think that Jerome really found a way to drive the band into new territories >(please, don't hate me), but I have to admit that from the day CF left, the >band dramatically turned into something else. > >Thomas. > 'Transformed into something else'. I couldn't agree more. The post-Franke TD is like a whole other band with just the same name. (And perhaps the pre-Franke TD as well, but I don't know about that, so...) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Matthew Stringer Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 8:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: SID On Wednesday 24 October 2001 9:28 pm, quarlie@a... wrote: > In a message dated 10/24/01 6:05:00 AM, cirdan@c... writes: > >Like James mentioned it was all done with 3 voices. But I think > >those little tunes are real masterpieces. Commodore 64's soundchip > >(it's called SID actually) was ahead of its time and produced very > >phat analog sounds. A couple of years ago a synthesizer called > >SidStation was released, it's purely based on the soundchip of C64. The chip was made by the cool dudes at Oberheim, who have made many a cool synth, many of which were used by TD. I heard that there was a book of 'A 1000 IC's that changed the world' or similar and that the SID was featured! Matt From: rubyconist@y... Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 9:13 am Subject: Re: stuff --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > >My opinion is that the drum rythm gives the songs too simplistic > >feel. They seem to cover (and they can, believe me) bad nonsense > >themes. Understand? > > > > > Simplistic yes, bad themes yes, (though I sort of disagree with this) > covering yes... but what do you mean with 'nonsense' here? I meant that new albums are full of overly crowded, almost air thin themes and all the progression is gone. Some one has said that if you have 62 tracks available, you don't have to use all of them. I have a feeling that TD now uses almost all of them and the music doesn't change much if compared to the old (perhaps better) days. As I would say in finnish: Mitättömiä teemoja. Regards, TheInfection From: rubyconist@y... Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 9:22 am Subject: Re: Franke/Froese --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > Franke indeed defines the classic TD, at least for me. > > However I heard somewhere that they've met privately only once... > > John Vertical Edgard said that in the Castle re-release of Livemiles booklet. The actual interview is propably from some magazine. Regards, TheInfection From: rubyconist@y... Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 9:26 am Subject: Re: TDream...Chill Out ? --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > Rubycon is very relaxious indeed at some times - especially when compared to > the all-rhytm stuff - but still, the sequenced sections aren't too serene. Why do you feel that? Why, oh why? :-) > Plenty other TD pieces (Beach Bay Bunker, Hyperborea, Mysterious > Semblance...) are however IMO better when it comes to being relaxing. Even > Network 23 would be better than the first half of Rubycon Part 2. Zeit could > be a nice try, but I don't think it's very friendly.. I don't think TD has > ever made anything really hectic. No, no, no, NO and NO! Nothing beats Rubycon. At least not Exit. Rubycon has everything: great, watery sounds, organs, kongs and one of the greatest sequences I've heard. So bugger of, mates. Regards, TheInfection From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 8:49 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Valley of the Sun What are the other pieces? > >>>Just listening to 'Valley of the Sun' on my computer here at work. >(...) > Where is this available from? Valley of the sun is one of the four unreleased pieces included in the fifth CD from the famous box Dream Roots Collection. From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 3:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 ARTWORK PREVIEW >On Fred's website you can see the DVD case artwork and the associated >Booklet cover. >You can also see the preview CDR artwork. Nice Artwork... :-) Just one Q: how do you guys want to attempt to encode DTS on a CD?!?!? The CD-Format only allows for two separate channels of audio whereas DTS consists of 6 (5.1) or 7 (6.1) discrete channels of audio. ?!?!? P.S. I will try to give you an update on the tour situation as soon as possible. And... btw... the studio version of 'Inferno' is already in production. Release date to be announced soon. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 11:12 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Dream Roots Bonus >What are the other pieces? > 1st one: Valley of the Sun. 15 mins symphonic piece we're discussing at the moment. 2nd one: Beach Bay Bunker. 10 mins rhytmless adagio. 3rd one: Vanishing Blue. 9 mins developing piece, I find it remotely similar to Cloudburst Flight, but calmer. Introduces the hissing flute thingy sound from Underwater Sunlight et al. 4th one: Red Morpho. 4-5 sectioned 12 mins piece, quite similar to the others These 4 are all instrument-vise quite soft (slightly alike to Tangram Set 1 and Yellowstone Park IMO) and very melodic, though some them repeat themselves at times. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29804 Re: Dream Roots Bonus Antonio Nunes Thu 10/25/2001 2 KB 29806 Re: Dream Roots Bonus John Vertical Thu 10/25/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 11:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: stuff > > Simplistic yes, bad themes yes, (though I sort of disagree with >this) > > covering yes... but what do you mean with 'nonsense' here? > >I meant that new albums are full of overly crowded, almost air thin >themes and all the progression is gone. Some one has said that if you >have 62 tracks available, you don't have to use all of them. I have a >feeling that TD now uses almost all of them and the music doesn't >change much if compared to the old (perhaps better) days. > >As I would say in finnish: Mitättömiä teemoja. > >Regards, >TheInfection > Aww right. I miss progression too. That's probably why I find pieces like Electric Lion and Sad Merlin's Sunday good. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 12:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 ARTWORK PREVIEW Hi there > >On Fred's website you can see the DVD case artwork and the associated > >Booklet cover. > >You can also see the preview CDR artwork. > > > Nice Artwork... :-) > > Just one Q: how do you guys want to attempt to encode DTS on a CD?!?!? The > CD-Format only allows for two separate channels of audio whereas DTS > consists of 6 (5.1) or 7 (6.1) discrete channels of audio. Good question. Darklion plans to include One short DTS track just for an experiment. We will use a software called 'Surcode CD Pro'. Every good Studio got it. The process is simple : with 6 separate audio channels (the sixth one is the Sub bass one), the software will downmix the on a Digital two channels signal (44,1 khz, 16bits stereo like CD format). This signal can be played on every CD/LD/DVD players digitally connected (by light fiber for example) to a home theater amplifier if this one can decode DTS of course. There is also the same kind of software for Dolby Digital called 'Soft Encode 5.1' which can downmix on DD for audio CD. I suggest Edgar to use this, even to try the final effect. His music will be fabulous through this system. Check the 'What a Blast' DVD which is on DTS. Also the Paul Haslinger DVDs (Planetary Traveler and Infinity's Child) are downmixed on Dolby 5.1 and the sound is amazing. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 11:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TDream...Chill Out ? > > Plenty other TD pieces (Beach Bay Bunker, Hyperborea, Mysterious > > Semblance...) are however IMO better when it comes to being >relaxing. Even > > Network 23 would be better than the first half of Rubycon Part 2. >Zeit could > > be a nice try, but I don't think it's very friendly.. I don't think >TD has > > ever made anything really hectic. > >No, no, no, NO and NO! Nothing beats Rubycon. At least not Exit. >Rubycon has everything: great, watery sounds, organs, kongs and one >of the greatest sequences I've heard. So bugger of, mates. > >Regards, >TheInfection I'm not saying it sucks, I'm saying that it's not (necessarily) the most relaxing thing known to a TD fan. What's wrong with Exit? At least the first and last tracks are awesome. And that was my first TD album as well... ahh, nostalgy... (Whoa, I'm 16 and I'm already talking about the 'good old days?! I wonder if that's sane anymore... (And now I'm worse than you because of my age! Har.)) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29818 Re: TDream...Chill Out ? rubyconist@y... Fri 10/26/2001 3 KB From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 11:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 ARTWORK PREVIEW DTS CD's are already made... check http://store.dtsonline.com/cd-frames.html Nice if 'inferno' could be DTS... and a live recording instead of a studio creation.. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Yannick EDOM To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 ARTWORK PREVIEW > Hi there > > > > >On Fred's website you can see the DVD case artwork and the associated > > >Booklet cover. > > >You can also see the preview CDR artwork. > > > > > > Nice Artwork... :-) > > > > Just one Q: how do you guys want to attempt to encode DTS on a CD?!?!? The > > CD-Format only allows for two separate channels of audio whereas DTS > > consists of 6 (5.1) or 7 (6.1) discrete channels of audio. > > Good question. > Darklion plans to include One short DTS track just for an experiment. > We will use a software called 'Surcode CD Pro'. > Every good Studio got it. > > The process is simple : with 6 separate audio channels (the sixth one is the > Sub bass one), the software will downmix the on a Digital two channels > signal (44,1 khz, 16bits stereo like CD format). > This signal can be played on every CD/LD/DVD players digitally connected (by > light fiber for example) to a home theater amplifier if this one can decode > DTS of course. > There is also the same kind of software for Dolby Digital called 'Soft > Encode 5.1' which can downmix on DD for audio CD. > > I suggest Edgar to use this, even to try the final effect. > His music will be fabulous through this system. Check the 'What a Blast' DVD > which is on DTS. > Also the Paul Haslinger DVDs (Planetary Traveler and Infinity's Child) are > downmixed on Dolby 5.1 and the sound is amazing. > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29805 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 ARTWORK PREVIEW TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Thu 10/25/2001 3 KB From: 'Antonio Nunes' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 12:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots Bonus John Vertical wrote: > > 2nd one: Beach Bay Bunker. 10 mins rhytmless adagio. I find this track very similar to the music from 'The Seven Letters from Tibet' CD. When this album was announced, it was supposed to be very different from anything else TD had made before, but listening to 'Beach Bay Bunker' from DRC, I don't find it that different. Anyone else finds this similarity? Antonio np: Dream Roots Collection - disc 5 From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 5:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 ARTWORK PREVIEW At 13:45 25.10.01 , you wrote: >DTS CD's are already made... >check http://store.dtsonline.com/cd-frames.html >Nice if 'inferno' could be DTS... and a live recording instead of a studio >creation.. > >Peter >----- Original Message ----- >From: Yannick EDOM >To: >Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 2:19 PM >Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 ARTWORK PREVIEW > Peter, Yannick... thank you for the insight. I didn´t know that. :-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots Bonus > > 2nd one: Beach Bay Bunker. 10 mins rhytmless adagio. > >I find this track very similar to the music from 'The Seven Letters from >Tibet' CD. When this album was announced, it was supposed to be very >different from anything else TD had made before, but listening to 'Beach >Bay Bunker' from DRC, I don't find it that different. Anyone else finds >this similarity? > >Antonio I suspected this as well, the small clips they've given on their discography gave this picture. but I'm not gonna draw conclusions with that little proof. Though I've heard the album defines as 'rhytmless' John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 3:08 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Franke/Froese > >As for the Franke/golden/classic era thing, I don't really care since I > >think that Jerome really found a way to drive the band into new territories > >(please, don't hate me), but I have to admit that from the day CF left, the > >band dramatically turned into something else. > > > >Thomas. Which new territories, though? At the moment, the band are playing so many fields at the same time (Dream Mixes, Dante, Seven-letters atmospherics, etc.) that it's difficult to make out where TD is going musically. I haven't got a problem with that, and I like most of their recent releases (although I'm still not a big fan of the Mixes, even after Vol. 3). But it's difficult to assess which 'new territories' TD have got their eyes on especially. Dennis From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 3:20 pm Subject: progression I guess that's what I miss, the progression - especially on the longer pieces. I love getting lost in those sonic landscapes. Though, I think that some of the newer stuff does have that too, it's just more condensed. IMO, the shorter stuff can't compare to the longer stuff in terms of 'chilling out' and what it does chemically to your brain when you hear a certain duration of repeating patterns. This is similar to what happens when you're running, for example. The shorter songs are just too short. By the time that phenomenon starts kicking in, the song is over. I do like the newer pieces especially when driving short distances and in traffic. The longer stuff is great for cross country driving! (VST32 allows for 128 tracks if I remember correctly - though I don't know that that's yet possible in a real world scenario.) Anybody here ever listen to Stephan Micus? There's a case for keeping it simple (though he sometimes uses a lot of tracks). Kind of like an acoustic version of TD in some respects. <<>> From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 3:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Driving (was: progression) A lot of people seem to listen to TD specifically while driving. I can understand that the evocative music probably fits in well with the landscape around you, but I wonder what the band themselves would make of it? It does, after all, relegate it to background music, in a way. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 25 October 2001 16:20 Subject: [tadream] progression > I guess that's what I miss, the progression - especially on the longer pieces. I love getting lost in those sonic landscapes. Though, I think that some of the newer stuff does have that too, it's just more condensed. > > IMO, the shorter stuff can't compare to the longer stuff in terms of 'chilling out' and what it does chemically to your brain when you hear a certain duration of repeating patterns. This is similar to what happens when you're running, for example. The shorter songs are just too short. By the time that phenomenon starts kicking in, the song is over. > > I do like the newer pieces especially when driving short distances and in traffic. The longer stuff is great for cross country driving! > > (VST32 allows for 128 tracks if I remember correctly - though I don't know that that's yet possible in a real world scenario.) > > Anybody here ever listen to Stephan Micus? There's a case for keeping it simple (though he sometimes uses a lot of tracks). Kind of like an acoustic version of TD in some respects. > > << themes and all the progression is gone. Some one has said that if you > have 62 tracks available, you don't have to use all of them. I have a > feeling that TD now uses almost all of them and the music doesn't > change much if compared to the old (perhaps better) days.>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29810 Re: Driving (was: progression) tei waz Thu 10/25/2001 2 KB 29812 Re: Driving (was: progression) Dennis Nigbur Thu 10/25/2001 4 KB 29815 Re: Driving (was: progression) John Vertical Fri 10/26/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Driving (was: progression) >but I wonder what the band themselves would make of it? It does, after all, relegate it to background music, in a way.< You say 'background music' as if it's a bad thing. My favorite TD 'driving' tape was wavelength/flashpoint. I'd play it after dark on trips from southern california (where I was living) to northern california (where I'm from) along highway 101--usually where highway 101 left the coast north of santa barbara--near buellton/solvang. The tape just seemed to fit the drive and my mood by that time. This was usually on a Friday night after a long work week. That horrible vocal track at the end of flashpoint was guaranteed to wake me up from road hypnosis every time. :) --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 5:45 pm Subject: Vangelis off-topic The new Mythodea CD just arrived in US stores on Tuesday... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 5:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Driving (was: progression) It's not NECESSARILY a bad thing, but it's easy to think of 'background music' as 'elevator music'. Edgar in particular seems to be very paranoid about being subsumed under the muzak category, so I just wonder if his concerns might include being listened to as 'driving music'. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: ; Sent: 25 October 2001 18:32 Subject: Re: [tadream] Driving (was: progression) > >but I wonder what the band themselves would make of it? It does, > after all, relegate it to background music, in a way.< > > You say 'background music' as if it's a bad thing. > > My favorite TD 'driving' tape was wavelength/flashpoint. I'd play it after > dark on trips from southern california (where I was living) to northern > california (where I'm from) along highway 101--usually where highway 101 > left the coast north of santa barbara--near buellton/solvang. The tape just > seemed to fit the drive and my mood by that time. This was usually on a > Friday night after a long work week. That horrible vocal track at the end > of flashpoint was guaranteed to wake me up from road hypnosis every time. > :) > > --T > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Eno yes, he made the windows default login sound (The Microsoft Sound, I think it was called). that's the only one I know of. > -----Original Message----- > From: Adele Outland [mailto:outlanda60@h...] > Isn't Eno the guy who made some of these computer sounds, > like the signing on music? 8-) Dell From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Oct 25, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: [tadream] Red Nights VCD Hi all, For those of you interested in that sort of thing, I've just added a (quite tacky) image of the very rare Red Nights VCD to my site: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/rednights.html I'm also looking for someone who has all the TD-related DVDs (films only) to dig them out and send me their catalogue numbers for the site. Cheers Paul From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 4:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Driving (was: progression) >A lot of people seem to listen to TD specifically while driving. I can >understand that the evocative music probably fits in well with the >landscape around you, but I wonder what the band themselves would make of >it? It does, after all, relegate it to background music, in a way. > >Dennis I also like to listen to TD during trips. Bike trips, that is. I somewhat find the era from Encore to Livemiles the best, with some exceptions. (mainly Logos for some weird reason?) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: Jens Kilian Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 6:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1087 > From: 'Adele Outland' > Subject: Re: Eno > > Isn't Eno the guy who made some of these computer sounds, like the signing > on music? 8-) Dell 'The' signing on music? *My* computer plays the intro chord from Poland/Sphinx Lightning when starting up :-) Or were you talking about something else entirely? -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29820 Re: Digest Number 1087 PENFOLD Fri 10/26/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 8:30 am Subject: Edgar loves you (and I was wrong) Hi Gang, yesterday I listened to the interview with Edgar once again which got broadcasted on German radio about two weeks ago. I quoted Edgar by saying that 'he doesn't care about the fans'...well, where's my dunce cap....the correct quote is 'I don't care about their [the fans] OPINIONS'. So I apologize for giving a wrong statement which has a slighty different meaning now and which seems to have caused some trouble. Edgar said something like this (and I pray that what I'm saying is correct ;-): 'I don't hope to offend our fans when I say that their opinion about TD & our music never interested us. And this will remain so as long as we are making music. TD is like a train in which one can feel comfortable and enjoy the ride, or otherwise he can get off if he doesn't enjoy it any longer. And that's ok. Because if you try to please everybody you soon lose your identity as a musician, and this is something which will never happen to TD' Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29821 Re: Edgar loves you (and I was wrong) Roger Hartopp Fri 10/26/2001 3 KB From: rubyconist@y... Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 9:12 am Subject: Re: TDream...Chill Out ? --- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > > > Plenty other TD pieces (Beach Bay Bunker, Hyperborea, Mysterious > > > Semblance...) are however IMO better when it comes to being > >relaxing. Even > > > Network 23 would be better than the first half of Rubycon Part 2. > >Zeit could > > > be a nice try, but I don't think it's very friendly.. I don't think > >TD has > > > ever made anything really hectic. > > > >No, no, no, NO and NO! Nothing beats Rubycon. At least not Exit. > >Rubycon has everything: great, watery sounds, organs, kongs and one > >of the greatest sequences I've heard. So bugger of, mates. > > > >Regards, > >TheInfection > > > I'm not saying it sucks, I'm saying that it's not (necessarily) the most > relaxing thing known to a TD fan. Well, I think that it's relaxing. > What's wrong with Exit? At least the first and last tracks are awesome. And > that was my first TD album as well... ahh, nostalgy... Rubycon was my second album along side with Alpha Centauri after Livemiles, so I would say the same thing... nostalgy. > (Whoa, I'm 16 and I'm already talking about the 'good old days?! I wonder if > that's sane anymore... (And now I'm worse than you because of my age! Har.)) You're quite sane, I would say. But, then again, I'm not sane myself. 'In the madhouse patient told the doctor, that he is Napoleon. Doctor asked, why does he think that he is Napoleon. Man smiled and said that God told him so. Old man stood up next to them and yelled: I DID NOT!' Hah... Regards, TheInfection From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 12:43 pm Subject: Re: Valley of the Sun 'Valley of the Sun' is indeed brilliant, but 'Vanishing Blue' from the same disc is perhaps one of the most beautiful sonic soundscapes Edgar & Chris ever produced. So why didn't it (or they) make 'Underwater Sunlight'? Add these and 'US' would have been potentially the best TD album ever... (IMHO, anyway!) Roger Hartopp From: PENFOLD Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 12:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1087 At 01.10.26 08:53, Jens Kilian wrote: >'The' signing on music? *My* computer plays the intro chord from >Poland/Sphinx Lightning when starting up :-) My computer's configured to play this same sound when TD list mail comes in! Pete Isaacson aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 12:39 pm Subject: Re: Edgar loves you (and I was wrong) --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Hi Gang, > yesterday I listened to the interview with Edgar once again which got broadcasted on German radio about two weeks ago. I quoted Edgar by > saying that 'he doesn't care about the fans'...well, where's my dunce cap....the correct quote is 'I don't care about their [the fans] > OPINIONS'. > So I apologize for giving a wrong statement which has a slighty > different meaning now and which seems to have caused some trouble. We all make mistakes... shows you have to listen carefully.... >Edgar said something like this (and I pray that what I'm saying is correct ;-): >'I don't hope to offend our fans when I say that their opinion about TD & our music never interested us. And this will remain so as long as we are making music. TD is like a train in which one can feel comfortable and enjoy the ride, or otherwise he can get off if he doesn't enjoy it any longer. And that's ok. Because if you try to please everybody you soon lose your identity as a musician, and this is something which will never happen to TD' > > Heiko Well said Edgar. I personally enjoy the musical ride and (taking the earlier theme of driving music) venturing along the new highways... Look forward to Inferno, vocals or not! Roger Hartopp From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 1:21 pm Subject: 2/16/02 not on sale hmm, just looked at ticketmaster's website for the US TD tour 2001 and I see that the minnesota date 2/16/02 is currently not on sale. Hope this doesn't mean what I think it means--especially given Martin K.'s announcement that there will be an announcement.... --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29823 Re: 2/16/02 not on sale Joe Shoults Fri 10/26/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 1:37 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 2/16/02 not on sale AFAIK, the TDI website has cleared it all up: 'We will post the new dates as soon as we have them confirmed - hopefully within the next few weeks. Please do not pay heed to rumors of the tour being cancelled - the dates have merely been postponed' > -----Original Message----- > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > hmm, just looked at ticketmaster's website for the US TD tour > 2001 and I see > that the minnesota date 2/16/02 is currently not on sale. > Hope this doesn't > mean what I think it means--especially given Martin K.'s > announcement that > there will be an announcement.... > > --T From: tom george Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 2:06 pm Subject: William Orbit I own this cd and love it. very tastefully done. track 2 (or is it 3?) that has the spacey sound swooping in from time to time between speakers is my favorite. also i need the 'Inferno' shows (early and late) did Bustercat do these? Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 3:01 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Childhood and my appreciation for long tracks and e lectronic sounds I had a similar tape as a kid with pop songs that had liberal amounts of spacey synth washes and flange effects. I was really fond of the tape because of its spaceyness, but I had no idea there was actually a whole electronic music genre at the time. I can't remember who made it (been a quarter of a century since) but some of the songs were : * Beatles - Across the Universe * Telstar theme * Also Sprach Zarathustra (was the first song on Side A) * Blood Sweat & Tears - Spinning Wheel (what goes up... must come down..) I didn't realize how strange this was at the time. I vaguely rememebr a tape cover with a picture of space, maybe an earth view on it. I might be getting some of it mixed up with my Meco Star Wars tape. Now that was funky. I wish I could find a copy of that one. Likewise, my mom used to take me to the orchestra when I was a kid. I usually fell asleep, but got used to sitting still (albeit by threat of bodily harm) at these concerts. But it wasn't until I was about 13 that I really began to appreciate classical music. I was forced to listen to Tchaikovsky's 6th on a car trip. Having nothing better to do than close my eyes and try to go to sleep, I got carried away by the profound emotion of this symphony and fell in love with it instead of falling asleep. It is still probably my favorite. Breaking the pop song length barrier for me was Rush's Cygnus X-1, which I discovered staying up late one night in about 9th grade. I couldn't believe how tight they were, and how interesting the song was. It was about this time that I began to really realize just how vast the musical spectrum is, and just how disposable so much of it is. Needless to say, I was primed for TD. I can't rememebr exactly which TD I heard first that grabbed me (outside of a movie soundtrack and not knowing who it was). Probably Stratosfear, maybe Rubycon. > -----Original Message----- ... > Also as a kid my dad had what I called 'the electronic tape', > which was an > album he had recorded onto reel-to-reel tape called 'the IN > sound from WAY > OUT'. It was some sixties pop tunes performed by some > extremely bizarre > instrumentation, lots of signal generators and noise effects > (no vocals of > course). All the tracks had been renamed with 'spacey' > titles like 'The > Girl from Venus' and 'Visa to the Stars' (which I found out later was > actually the 'Telstar theme'). From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 3:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Valley of the Sun Depending on the day Underwater Sunlight surfaces as number one for me anyway, (jockeying for position with Ricochet, Poland, Force Majeur, and Tangram. > -----Original Message----- > 'Valley of the Sun' is indeed brilliant, but 'Vanishing Blue' from > the same disc is perhaps one of the most beautiful sonic soundscapes > Edgar & Chris ever produced. > > So why didn't it (or they) make 'Underwater Sunlight'? Add these > and 'US' would have been potentially the best TD album ever... (IMHO, > anyway!) > > Roger Hartopp From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 4:02 pm Subject: Underwater Sunlight I always hoped DOLPHIN SMILE would evenutally show up on one of the re-issues or boxed sets, but alas it still hasn't...I guess I am lucky to have the 12' single... It is a great tune as well! Valley of the Sun' is indeed brilliant, but 'Vanishing Blue' from the same disc is perhaps one of the most beautiful sonic soundscapes Edgar & Chris ever produced. So why didn't it (or they) make 'Underwater Sunlight'? Add these and 'US' would have been potentially the best TD album ever... (IMHO, anyway!) Roger Hartopp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 4:05 pm Subject: driving Not the way I drive! (just kidding) Actually, I prefer to think of it as 'soundtrack' rather than background. :-) << Subject: Re: Driving (was: progression) A lot of people seem to listen to TD specifically while driving. I can understand that the evocative music probably fits in well with the landscape around you, but I wonder what the band themselves would make of it? It does, after all, relegate it to background music, in a way. Dennis>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29830 Re: driving Michael Jean Fri 10/26/2001 3 KB 29831 Re: driving Owens, James Fri 10/26/2001 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 4:09 pm Subject: background music Speaking of 'elevator music' I heard the 'em' version of In Your Eyes the other day at the supermarket. Yipes! << Subject: Re: Driving (was: progression) It's not NECESSARILY a bad thing, but it's easy to think of 'background music' as 'elevator music'. Edgar in particular seems to be very paranoid about being subsumed under the muzak category, so I just wonder if his concerns might include being listened to as 'driving music'. Dennis>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29835 Re: background music chris towers Sat 10/27/2001 3 KB 29836 Re: background music Joe Shoults Sat 10/27/2001 2 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] driving I am hoping to spend tomorrow driving Skyline Drive through the Blue Ridge Mountains...Anyone have suggestion for TD msuic to accompany autumn leaves? MJ >>> Liondream@a... 10/26/01 12:05PM >>> Not the way I drive! (just kidding) Actually, I prefer to think of it as 'soundtrack' rather than background. :-) << Subject: Re: Driving (was: progression) A lot of people seem to listen to TD specifically while driving. I can understand that the evocative music probably fits in well with the landscape around you, but I wonder what the band themselves would make of it? It does, after all, relegate it to background music, in a way. Dennis>>> ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 4:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] driving That's a SPECTACULAR drive! Enjoy! For natural wonders like that, I would probably pick a selection of TD's more melodic music. 29 Palms (Lily on the Beach) Sun Gate (Optical Race) Livemiles part 2 (opening section) Tiergarten (Le Parc) Flahflood (Oasis) Song of the Whale part 2 (Underwater Sunlight) Matjora is Still Alive (Schmoelling - Wuivend Reit) I guess I'm just in a piano mood today... James np: Vangelis - 'Dreams of Surf' from _Oceanic_ > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jean [mailto:mjean@b...] > > I am hoping to spend tomorrow driving Skyline Drive through > the Blue Ridge Mountains...Anyone have suggestion for TD > msuic to accompany autumn leaves? > > MJ From: moxica@m... Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 5:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Childhood and my appreciation for long tracks and electronic sounds >From: Joe Shoults > I might be getting some of it mixed up with my Meco Star Wars tape. >Now that was funky. I wish I could find a copy of that one. Actually, I just saw a copy of this on cd last night. I had the Empire strikes Back Version when I was little on ep. Fortunately I had 'matured' enough to avoid the Return of the Jedi version later on... Haha! -jim From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Valley of the Sun Couldn't agree more, Roger. 'Vanishing Blue' is one of my favourite ever tracks by any incarnation of TD. - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Hartopp To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:43 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Valley of the Sun > 'Valley of the Sun' is indeed brilliant, but 'Vanishing Blue' from > the same disc is perhaps one of the most beautiful sonic soundscapes > Edgar & Chris ever produced. > > So why didn't it (or they) make 'Underwater Sunlight'? Add these > and 'US' would have been potentially the best TD album ever... (IMHO, > anyway!) > > Roger Hartopp > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 1:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Childhood and children I don't know how you could come back to such a simple statement with such harsh language. Somebody mentions they are age 30 and love long tracks and someone else comes back and says they AGREE and love them too even though they are only age 16. How can you pick a fight with somebody that is agreeing with you? And what does age have to do with it anyway? I doubt there's anybody here that hasn't appreciated classical music, the original long tracks, even from age two. I think you owe him an apology. 8-( Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: rubyconist@y... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Re: Childhood and my appreciation for long tracks and >electronic sound >Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 08:36:36 -0000 > >--- In tadream@y..., 'John Vertical' wrote: > > >Needless to say, I can appreciate a longer, more complex piece of >music > > >than > > >most people. I doubt I'm representative of any significant >percentage of > > >the population here in the US, but it should be a positive note >that at > > >least ONE 30-year-old learned to appreciate the good stuff early >on > > You might be interested to know that I pretty much agree with that, >plus > > that I'm 16... I have been listening 'patient' music for ... quite >a few > > years by now. > > > > John Vertical > >I'm not trying to offend you or anything but are you (rest deleted for good >reason). > >Regards, >TheInfection _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29850 Re: Childhood and children rubyconist@y... Mon 10/29/2001 3 KB 29870 What is the mastering on Tangents 73-83 Boxset li Richard Stevens Tue 10/30/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 6:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] background music I dont think i can class TD's music as background music whilst driving to be honest. Depends on how loud you play it, like me, FULL BLAST!!!! Chris --- Liondream@a... wrote: > Speaking of 'elevator music' I heard the 'em' > version of In Your Eyes the other day at the > supermarket. Yipes! > > > << Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:56:13 +0100 > From: 'Dennis Nigbur' > > Subject: Re: Driving (was: progression) > > It's not NECESSARILY a bad thing, but it's easy to > think of 'background > music' as 'elevator music'. Edgar in particular > seems to be very > paranoid about being subsumed under the muzak > category, so I just wonder if > his concerns might include being listened to as > 'driving music'. > > Dennis>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 11:13 am Subject: RE: [tadream] background music I frequently like to think, whilst driving with volume full blast, of how I would use the music in a movie. I'm afraid they would all come out like Michael Mann movies did - with the music very heavy in the mix, like a music video. > -----Original Message----- > I dont think i can class TD's music as background > music whilst driving to be honest. Depends on how loud > you play it, like me, FULL BLAST!!!! > > > > It's not NECESSARILY a bad thing, but it's easy to > > think of 'background > > music' From: Ken Beal Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 6:11 pm Subject: Gigantic Private CD Sale Howdy All... In need of survival funds...I am letting go of just about every cd I own...all kinds... Email off list for my list of almost 400 CDs Thanks, Ken kwb10@c... From: Ken Beal Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 6:12 pm Subject: Gigantic Private CD Sale Howdy All... In need of survival funds...I am letting go of just about every cd I own...all kinds... Email off list for my list of almost 400 CDs Thanks, Ken kwb10@c... From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 2:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'H That just about sums it up, I couldn't find any better description. And while I like Lily on the Beach, it has a few catchy tunes, it isn't an album I crave listening to. In other words it, and Patrick O'Hearn, do not come anywhere near the greatness of creativity of Tangerine Dream in Ricochet or Tangram. So, if you're looking for something jazzy and hummable you would probably like O'Hearn, but don't expect to find anything coming close to TD's earlier years. All IMO of course. 8-) Dell NP: Circus Krone 10-27-76: now, that's innovation for that day and time As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'Antonio Nunes' >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:40:54 +0100 >Ob TD content: a few years ago I taped a cassette with 'Lily on the >Beach' on side A and Patrick O'Hearn's 'Between two Worlds' on side B, >because I though these 2 albums were in the same style. > >Antonio _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29845 Re: Patrick O'H goozer@a... Sun 10/28/2001 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 8:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Patrick O'H . In other words it, and Patrick O'Hearn, do not come anywhere near the greatness of creativity of Tangerine Dream in Ricochet or Tangram. So, if you're looking for something jazzy and hummable you would probably like O'Hearn, but don't expect to find anything coming close to TD's earlier years. All IMO of course. 8-) Dell *Mmmm, I disagree... There was a period of O'Hearns work where he was more into pop structures, but there are several O'Hearn recordings that aren't.... and I'm not aware of anything he's done that doesn't match TD in 'greatness or creativity' Ancient Dreams for example would most definitely appeal to those who like the openness of TD's Stratosfear or Baumann's Romace '76 era also more recent recordings as Indigo, Trust, Metaphor, or So Flows the Current. have that sort of feel... Besides there are moments in Tangram where TD get 'Jazzy and hummable' relative to Phaedra or Rubycon and that doesn't make it any less great. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Robert Wear' Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 2:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1090 I believe Patrick O'Hearn was a member of Frank Zappa's band at one time. Robert Wear ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 04:11 Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 1090 > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 4 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Gigantic Private CD Sale > From: Ken Beal > 2. Gigantic Private CD Sale > From: Ken Beal > 3. Re: Patrick O'H > From: 'Adele Outland' > 4. Re: Patrick O'H > From: Synthhtnys@a... > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:11:25 -0700 > From: Ken Beal > Subject: Gigantic Private CD Sale > > Howdy All... > > In need of survival funds...I am letting go of just about every cd I > own...all kinds... > > Email off list for my list of almost 400 CDs > > Thanks, > > Ken > > kwb10@c... > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:12:00 -0700 > From: Ken Beal > Subject: Gigantic Private CD Sale > > Howdy All... > > In need of survival funds...I am letting go of just about every cd I > own...all kinds... > > Email off list for my list of almost 400 CDs > > Thanks, > > Ken > > kwb10@c... > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:46:37 -0400 > From: 'Adele Outland' > Subject: Re: Patrick O'H > > That just about sums it up, I couldn't find any better description. And > while I like Lily on the Beach, it has a few catchy tunes, it isn't an album > I crave listening to. In other words it, and Patrick O'Hearn, do not come > anywhere near the greatness of creativity of Tangerine Dream in Ricochet or > Tangram. So, if you're looking for something jazzy and hummable you would > probably like O'Hearn, but don't expect to find anything coming close to > TD's earlier years. All IMO of course. 8-) Dell > > NP: Circus Krone 10-27-76: now, that's innovation for that day and time > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > > > >From: 'Antonio Nunes' > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:40:54 +0100 > >Ob TD content: a few years ago I taped a cassette with 'Lily on the > >Beach' on side A and Patrick O'Hearn's 'Between two Worlds' on side B, > >because I though these 2 albums were in the same style. > > > >Antonio > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 03:42:47 EST > From: Synthhtnys@a... > Subject: Re: Patrick O'H > > . In other words it, and Patrick O'Hearn, do not come > anywhere near the greatness of creativity of Tangerine Dream in Ricochet or > Tangram. So, if you're looking for something jazzy and hummable you would > probably like O'Hearn, but don't expect to find anything coming close to > TD's earlier years. All IMO of course. 8-) Dell > > *Mmmm, I disagree... There was a period of O'Hearns work where he was more > into pop structures, but there are several O'Hearn recordings that aren't.... > and I'm not aware of anything he's done that doesn't match TD in 'greatness > or creativity' > Ancient Dreams for example would most definitely appeal to those who like the > openness of TD's Stratosfear or Baumann's Romace '76 era also more recent > recordings as Indigo, Trust, Metaphor, or So Flows the Current. > have that sort of feel... Besides there are moments in Tangram where TD get > 'Jazzy and hummable' relative to Phaedra or Rubycon and that doesn't make it > any less great. > Poly > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29844 Re: Digest Number 1090 vic rek Sun 10/28/2001 2 KB From: 'david' Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 2:20 pm Subject: Re: Patrick O'H --- In tadream@y..., Liondream@a... wrote: > Hmm, I just saw the first two P O'H cds at a local record store. Was tempted > to get them. > > All right, this is OT, but there is kind of a relation to TD, after all > Patrick O'Hearn was on Private Music, right? > > :-) > > > > << rendition of Bach I've ever experienced is Patrick > O'Hearn's 'Prelude from Cello Suite No. 1' from the > 'Different Prelude' CD, which is fabulous. > > Deb H-J > dhj4@y...>>> totally useless trivia,unless you play rock and roll jeopardy. patrick o'hearn was the keyboard player for what 80's new wave band. answer: missing persons who had a few hits: Words,Walking in LA, Destination unknown. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'david' Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 2:20 pm Subject: Re: Patrick O'H --- In tadream@y..., Liondream@a... wrote: > Hmm, I just saw the first two P O'H cds at a local record store. Was tempted > to get them. > > All right, this is OT, but there is kind of a relation to TD, after all > Patrick O'Hearn was on Private Music, right? > > :-) > > > > << rendition of Bach I've ever experienced is Patrick > O'Hearn's 'Prelude from Cello Suite No. 1' from the > 'Different Prelude' CD, which is fabulous. > > Deb H-J > dhj4@y...>>> totally useless trivia,unless you play rock and roll jeopardy. patrick o'hearn was the keyboard player for what 80's new wave band. answer: missing persons who had a few hits: Words,Walking in LA, Destination unknown. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: vic rek Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 3:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1090 I remember Patrick O'Hearn playing on tour for Zappa and having contributed to 'Ship Arriving Too Late to Save a Drowning Witch'. Can someone supply the complete list of his Zappa contributions? I used to be a big Zappa fan and when he died I said I would make that day a holiday for me. Well I now forgot which day that was, but isn't it coming up in November? As for Patrick, 'Indigo' is my favorite - produced by Peter Baumann of course. Robert Wear wrote: > I believe Patrick O'Hearn was a member of Frank Zappa's band at one time. > > Robert Wear From: goozer@a... Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 4:13 pm Subject: Re: Patrick O'H I coudn't disagree more. O'Hearn is decidedly *not* a 'Berlin School'' synthesist, but he is a masterful musician in his own right. I'll grant that _Between Two Worlds_ was not a strong follow-up to _Ancient Dreams_, but then by the same token _Cyclone_ wasn't a strong follow-up to _Stratosfear_, either. 'Jazzy', no - 'hummable', perhaps. IMNSHO, _Ancient Dreams_ was the best EM release of '85, *bar none*. I like to think of it as the _Stratosfear_ of the '80s. It is an absolutely essential purchase! Indeed, most of his work is outstanding, especially _Indigo_, _Trust_, & _Metaphor_. His latest, _So Flows the Current_, is more acoustic in texture, and occasionally jazzy in feel, but still very good, like _Eldorado_. goozer --- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland' wrote: > That just about sums it up, I couldn't find any better description. And > while I like Lily on the Beach, it has a few catchy tunes, it isn't an album > I crave listening to. In other words it, and Patrick O'Hearn, do not come > anywhere near the greatness of creativity of Tangerine Dream in Ricochet or > Tangram. So, if you're looking for something jazzy and hummable you would > probably like O'Hearn, but don't expect to find anything coming close to > TD's earlier years. All IMO of course. 8-) Dell > > NP: Circus Krone 10-27-76: now, that's innovation for that day and time > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > >From: 'Antonio Nunes' > >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:40:54 +0100 > >Ob TD content: a few years ago I taped a cassette with 'Lily on the > >Beach' on side A and Patrick O'Hearn's 'Between two Worlds' on side B, > >because I though these 2 albums were in the same style. From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 6:41 pm Subject: Antique Dream error Hi all, for a long time, was in the mailing list writing about an error on an version (CD) of the Antique Dreams. My information : Polka Music ??? on the CD no TD Music Matrix Number: DOCdata Germany BETA 2719-2 IFPL357 'the cd has a square outline around a red streaked corcle design' How can help??? Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (TD Fan Homepage) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Carl ' Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 12:08 am Subject: Greatings Old friends . Well Hi Joe and Joel , told you I would be back , a little late ( almost a year I think ) but here I am to stir it up and generally confuse :-) Looking forward to entering the discussions and putting forward my opinions for what there worth . Catch you all later when I have something valid to put forward , still recovering from the Very succesfull Hampshire gig here in the UK and need to get some ZZZZZsssss . Regards TDUK . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29851 Re: Greatings Old friends . Joe Shoults Mon 10/29/2001 2 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 2:11 am Subject: OT: wav Hi all I have a problem concerning wav-files. I have this wav, it is recorded at highspeed, but wants to get it to play in normal speed. Does anyone know how to do this. I have tried working with wavelab and cool edit, but I still can't make it play at normal speed. Am I overlooking something here..................................anyone?????????? Regards Jan From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 3:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: wav------OOOOOPPSSS!!!!! Hi Sorry, but I just got it. Load it into Windows recorder and lower speed. How easy could that be.....................DOOOOOOHHH!!!!!!! Must be sleepy................... Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:11 AM Subject: [tadream] OT: wav > Hi all > > I have a problem concerning wav-files. I have this wav, it is recorded at highspeed, but wants to get it to play in normal speed. Does anyone know how to do this. I have tried working with wavelab and cool edit, but I still can't make it play at normal speed. Am I overlooking something here..................................anyone?????????? > > Regards > Jan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: rubyconist@y... Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:24 am Subject: Re: Childhood and children --- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland' wrote: > I don't know how you could come back to such a simple statement with such > harsh language. Somebody mentions they are age 30 and love long tracks and > someone else comes back and says they AGREE and love them too even though > they are only age 16. How can you pick a fight with somebody that is > agreeing with you? And what does age have to do with it anyway? I doubt > there's anybody here that hasn't appreciated classical music, the original > long tracks, even from age two. I think you owe him an apology. 8-( Dell > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. Oh, I say. Perhaps you are taking my saying little TOO seriously, yes? Of course I'm happy that John Vertical has a much better taste of music and hobbies if compared to others of his age, who usually gets drunk and talks total bullshit. And as I said, I had a bad day. Something pissed me off and I overreacted - for a little bit. I'm 18 and was 16 two years ago, so I understand what he said. Regards, TheInfection Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29870 What is the mastering on Tangents 73-83 Boxset li Richard Stevens Tue 10/30/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 1:36 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Greatings Old friends . welcome back carl! Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl [mailto:Carljk@b...] > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:09 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Greatings Old friends . > > > Well Hi Joe and Joel , told you I would be back , a little late ( > almost a year I think ) but here I am to stir it up and generally > confuse :-) > Looking forward to entering the discussions and putting forward my > opinions for what there worth . > > Catch you all later when I have something valid to put forward , > still recovering from the Very succesfull Hampshire gig here in the > UK and need to get some ZZZZZsssss . > > Regards TDUK . > > From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 2:29 pm Subject: Antique Dreams error II Is it only a fake??? Who can hlep??? Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:41:44 +0100 From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Subject: Antique Dream error Hi all, for a long time, was in the mailing list writing about an error on an version (CD) of the Antique Dreams. My information : Polka Music ??? on the CD no TD Music Matrix Number: DOCdata Germany BETA 2719-2 IFPL357 'the cd has a square outline around a red streaked corcle design' Who can help??? Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (TD Fan Homepage) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29853 Re: Antique Dreams error II Michael Jean Mon 10/29/2001 3 KB 29854 Re: Antique Dreams error II Owens, James Mon 10/29/2001 3 KB 29856 Re: Antique Dreams error II vic rek Mon 10/29/2001 2 KB 29864 Re: Antique Dreams error II coldwatercanyon Tue 10/30/2001 2 KB 29868 Re: Antique Dreams error II Erik Sanborn Tue 10/30/2001 5 KB 29872 Re: Antique Dreams error II John Marchington Wed 10/31/2001 6 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 2:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams error II Maybe it is just a mistake... I once had an LP of ENCORE where sides 2 and 3 were something completely different...It included Knocking on Heaven' Door among other things....I didn't know what to make of it, until I picked up another copy of Encore and heard the music that was supposed to be there... >>> NEUMANN.H-J@t... 10/29/01 09:29AM >>> Is it only a fake??? Who can hlep??? Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:41:44 +0100 From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Subject: Antique Dream error Hi all, for a long time, was in the mailing list writing about an error on an version (CD) of the Antique Dreams. My information : Polka Music ??? on the CD no TD Music Matrix Number: DOCdata Germany BETA 2719-2 IFPL357 'the cd has a square outline around a red streaked corcle design' Who can help??? Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (TD Fan Homepage) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 2:45 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Antique Dreams error II Just out of curiosity, I once had an LP of Logos that had two labels pressed into side A, one was shifted a little into the inside of the groove. The last 2 or 3 minutes of side A were unplayable. So my question: Does anything like that have a collector value? James > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jean [mailto:mjean@b...] > Maybe it is just a mistake... I once had an LP of ENCORE > where sides 2 and 3 were something completely different...It > included Knocking on Heaven' Door among other things....I > didn't know what to make of it, until I picked up another > copy of Encore and heard the music that was supposed to be there... > > Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:41:44 +0100 > From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... > Subject: Antique Dream error > > Hi all, > > for a long time, was in the mailing list writing about an > error on an version (CD) of the Antique Dreams. > > My information : > Polka Music ??? on the CD no TD Music > > Matrix Number: DOCdata Germany BETA 2719-2 IFPL357 > 'the cd has a square outline around a red streaked corcle design' From: toby.braddick@u... Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 3:22 pm Subject: Re : Franke/ Froese Dennis, I think you've hit the nail on the head here. There are other instances of the sum being greater than the individuals eg Page and Plant without John Paul Jones just don't have the musical breadth that he provides. Franke/ Froese seem to fall in to this bracket also, which is sad, but understandable that people feel the need to move on. If Edgar wants to make the music he wants to, regardless of the fan's opinions, he can't then be bitter that Christoph feels the need to do the same without him. My wife and kids hate TD, but on Saturday I put Christoph's 'Epic' on and they actually enjoyed it. Toby --- In tadream@y..., 'Dennis Nigbur' wrote: > It's funny, I only thought something along those lines today, while listening through some of the Haslinger (World Without Rules, Future Primitive) and Franke (Klemania, Celestine Prophecy) solo recordings. Haslinger excelled in TD as an instrumentalist, but these two solo albums don't seem to have a lot to do with TD style or his own instrumental proficiency. Franke's work, on the other hand, is of the familiar high standard of composition, but positively seems to cry out for someone with the vision of Edgar Froese. Maybe this is why Franke moved into soundtrack recording - he's brilliant at writing very evocative music, but he seems to require some external input to get his sonic imagination going. > > I think the Froese/Franke partnership was one of the great double ventures in rock history. Listening to Franke's and Froese's work today, one can tell exactly what made them great as a partnership, and what seems to be lacking now from each man's solo work. > > Dennis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: 24 October 2001 15:25 > Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Valley of the Sun > > > John Vertical wrote : > 'Most the Froese/Franke pieces I've heard are great. Is there anything else > besides Green Desert, Force Majeure, and the bonus disk of Dream Roots?' > Well, even if PH was there, all the tracks on Underwater Sunlight have been composed by EF and CF only. > Although I don't have the dream dice bonus, it's fun to notice from those albums that EF and CF seemed to be like a band within the band. > There must have been some incredible alchemy between the 2 guys (on the musical level). > This is probably the reason for Edgar's bitterness about CF's departure. > > Thomas. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... > Une gamme d'outils gratuits et performants ŕ votre service. > Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com > Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 E TTC/min - 2,21 F TTC/min) > Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 E TTC/min - 1,00 F TTC/min) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: vic rek Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams error II This DOES exit. The description you listed is accurate and it contains Polka music. NEUMANN.H-J@t... wrote: > Is it only a fake??? Who can hlep??? > > for a long time, was in the mailing list writing about an error on an version (CD) of the Antique Dreams. > > My information : > Polka Music ??? on the CD no TD Music > > Matrix Number: DOCdata Germany BETA 2719-2 IFPL357 > 'the cd has a square outline around a red streaked corcle design' > > Who can help??? From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:40 pm Subject: music Hi We talked a few months back about maybe working on some stuff together via the net. Have you thought any more about this? If so let me know. I am due to pick up a s-80 keyboard this weekend. This pretty much fixes my list of eq in the way of keyboards for now. I have plans for a jv-1010 with some add on boards later this year maybe, depends on cash. I think sending out wave file might be fine, as midi would depend on what you play it back on as to the orginal sound. I would like to do all this work in both, however. Wave and Midi so it can be altered and changed easy like. Also makes it easier to publish. My wife as a record label she uses for her stuff. So I am sure it all can be protected in some way to each of our benfits if it does take off. What do you think? I have to go get a tooth 'extracted' as they tell me in a few hours so I will be back later today perhaps. Dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29858 Re: music Admin Mon 10/29/2001 2 KB 29859 Re: music ampmusic Mon 10/29/2001 4 KB 30240 Re: music Admin Sat 11/24/2001 4 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] music sorry this was intented to go personal... I guess you can see I am not too happy about this tooth deal... From: ampmusic Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] music Hi Dale, I finally finished a track for 'Dreamwatchers Tale 2' (not sure if it's going to be included though), changed some equipment over, and am now turning out a lot of new pieces. I will try to send you something in the next few days as a WAV or MP3 file to see if that works. it will be great to see what you might be able to do with it... best wishes, Mark Jenkins Admin wrote: > Hi > We talked a few months back about maybe working on some stuff together via > the net. > Have you thought any more about this? > If so let me know. I am due to pick up a s-80 keyboard this weekend. This > pretty much fixes my list of eq in the way of keyboards for now. I have > plans for a jv-1010 with some add on boards later this year maybe, depends > on cash. > I think sending out wave file might be fine, as midi would depend on what > you play it back on as to the orginal sound. I would like to do all this > work in both, however. Wave and Midi so it can be altered and changed easy > like. Also makes it easier to publish. My wife as a record label she uses > for her stuff. So I am sure it all can be protected in some way to each of > our benfits if it does take off. > What do you think? > I have to go get a tooth 'extracted' as they tell me in a few hours so I > will be back later today perhaps. > > Dale > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:32 pm Subject: re: antique dreams error II >Maybe it is just a mistake... I once had an LP of ENCORE where sides 2 and >3 were something completely different...It included Knocking on Heaven' Door among other things....I didn't know what to make of it, until I picked up another copy of Encore and heard the music that was supposed to be there...< Reminds me of a friend's CD of Sgt. Pepper....--it plays a Heart album--bleah. I supposed if it was the other way around--a Heart CD playing the Beatles it would be worth something. Still not as funny as the Lawrence Welk CD that played the Sid and Nancy soundtrack.... --T np TD 31.08.01 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:56 pm Subject: F. Zappa > Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 10:01:37 -0500 > From: vic rek > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1090 > (...) > > I used to be a big Zappa fan and when he died I said I would make that day a holiday for me. Well I now forgot which day that > was, but isn't it coming up in November? > Zappa died 'December 4, 1993 at age 52' according to http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/bio.asp?oid=338&cf=338 Finding this, with the key words 'frank zappa death' too 0.11 sec on google... C.B.V.Goudreault Autonomously breathing since February 17 1957 On-line since 1992 Fave albums: Ricochet and Rubycon First exposure: Stratosfear Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29866 Re: F. Zappa david Tue 10/30/2001 2 KB From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 11:53 pm Subject: Web Site Update Hi Everyone, i have updated my website new releases and itmes wanted please have a look, maybe you can help me out with my wants :-) Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDream...Chill Out ? It's not hard to think of Rubycon as chill out music compared to the normal rock and roll of the time, or even of now for that matter. You sure can't dance to it. So what else are you going to do but sit back with a glass of wine and a candle or two burning in the window and imagine something the music conveys in vivid mind pictures? Epsilon isn't necessarily more chilled, just a different mind scenario. Birds tweeting in trees versus a cold dark night crossing into dangerous territory. 8-) Dell NP: Guild Hall 11-9-76: now there's some chill out music As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'Phil White' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] TDream...Chill Out ? >Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:59:54 +0100 > >Hi All, >Quote from the current issue of 'Future Music' magazine >here in the UK.... > >'In their early days,Tangerine Dream produced some of the best chilled >music ever' > >They use Rubycon as a chill out reference ??? >Epsilon In Malaysian Pale surely qualifies even more ? > >Discuss.... > >Regards Phil _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'coldwatercanyon' Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 3:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams error II Michael as far as I know your dble LP is a mispress featuring 2 sides of a Kevin Coyle LP. I do not own this LP but a fan told me about it more than 10 years ago. Jeffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Jean To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams error II > Maybe it is just a mistake... I once had an LP of ENCORE where sides 2 and 3 were something completely different...It included Knocking on Heaven' Door among other things....I didn't know what to make of it, until I picked up another copy of Encore and heard the music that was supposed to be there... > From: 'Hulshoff, Bert' Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:43 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TDream...Chill Out ? It's not hard to think of Rubycon as chill out music compared to the normal rock and roll of the time, or even of now for that matter. You sure can't dance to it. I have to disagree with that statement. In my 'early' days when I was about 19 , the people which were my friends at that time and myself could 'dance' on it, you had to have had a lot of beer, or an open mind but you could do it, it was like moving on the moon ;-) Bert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'david' Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 4:19 pm Subject: Re: F. Zappa --- In tadream@y..., 'Vincent Goudreault' wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 10:01:37 -0500 > > From: vic rek > > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1090 > >more useless trivia. before he formed missing persons,patrick o'hearn played in frank zappa,s band. what an eclectic musician! > > (...) > > > > > I used to be a big Zappa fan and when he died I said I would make that day > a holiday for me. Well I now forgot which day that > > was, but isn't it coming up in November? > > > > Zappa died 'December 4, 1993 at age 52' according to > http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/bio.asp?oid=338&cf=338 > > Finding this, with the key words 'frank zappa death' too 0.11 sec > on google... > > > C.B.V.Goudreault > Autonomously breathing since February 17 1957 > On-line since 1992 > Fave albums: Ricochet and Rubycon > First exposure: Stratosfear From: 'Phil White' Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDream...Chill Out ? Hi, Valid points all but if you want music to convey dark,cold, nights in Winter landscapes via music try Schulze's 'Mirage' Regards Phil Now 'chilling' to Project Erde 'Mysterious Vibration' Bacteria is the only culture some people get..... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Adele Outland' To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TDream...Chill Out ? > It's not hard to think of Rubycon as chill out music compared to the normal > rock and roll of the time, or even of now for that matter. You sure can't > dance to it. So what else are you going to do but sit back with a glass of > wine and a candle or two burning in the window and imagine something the > music conveys in vivid mind pictures? Epsilon isn't necessarily more > chilled, just a different mind scenario. Birds tweeting in trees versus a > cold dark night crossing into dangerous territory. 8-) Dell > > NP: Guild Hall 11-9-76: now there's some chill out music > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. From: 'Erik Sanborn' Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: RE: Antique Dreams error II FWIW, I still have a copy of the old Genesis LP 'Foxtrot' that has the same music on both sides. The tracks from side A were duplicated on side B but the visible breaks between the tracks on side A were absent on side B. Side B should've been a single track called 'Supper's Ready.' I suspect that these sort of manufacturing errors happen more frequently than we might think but it's hard to say if they have collector value. Intentional differences such as different sound mixes or even different cover art tend to have more value than unintentional differences. For example, a hardcore Genesis fan offered to buy my mispressed copy of 'Foxtrot' but wasn't willing to pay more than the cost of a new LP at the time. Similarly, if you find someone willing to buy your mislabeled Logos LP I'll bet that you won't get a premium for it. The tricky thing about collector value is finding a collector who places a premium value on your item. If the music on your LP was different than the normal album release then you'd really have something of value. :-) Regards, Erik > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:45:51 -0600 > From: 'Owens, James' > >Just out of curiosity, I once had an LP of Logos that had two labels pressed >into side A, one was shifted a little into the inside of the groove. The >last 2 or 3 minutes of side A were unplayable. > >So my question: Does anything like that have a collector value? > >James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Jean [mailto:mjean@b...] > > > Maybe it is just a mistake... I once had an LP of ENCORE > > where sides 2 and 3 were something completely different...It > > included Knocking on Heaven' Door among other things....I > > didn't know what to make of it, until I picked up another > > copy of Encore and heard the music that was supposed to be there... > > > > Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:41:44 +0100 > > From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... > > Subject: Antique Dream error > > > > Hi all, > > > > for a long time, was in the mailing list writing about an > > error on an version (CD) of the Antique Dreams. > > > > My information : > > Polka Music ??? on the CD no TD Music > > > > Matrix Number: DOCdata Germany BETA 2719-2 IFPL357 > > 'the cd has a square outline around a red streaked corcle design' From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 9:41 pm Subject: off topic: tech assistance Does anyone know how to clear the search history from a search engine like google or alta vista? There seems to be some sort of common history file, because no matter which search engine I use, they always come up. I don't mean the Internet Explorer history, I mean the past searches themselves....(if that makes sense) Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Richard Stevens Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 5:59 am Subject: What is the mastering on Tangents 73-83 Boxset like? I have been thinking about getting this Boxset for some time, Can anyone tell me if the mastering and sounds quality is better or worse than any of thew new American European remasters? R From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 10:04 pm Subject: Inferno? I've just received my latest C&D Services newsletter which makes reference to a November/December new studio release entitled Inferno. There's nothing on the official Tangerine Dream Website. Anyone got any ideas? Kevin. From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 12:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Antique Dreams error II It has happened with CDs too. In the early days of the latter (circa 1982) I decided to buy Respighi's orchestral Roman trilogy (The Pines of Rome/The Fountains of Rome/Roman Festivals) played by the Montreal SO under Charles Dutoit on Decca and when I first played it I was astonished to hear synths then guitar at the beginning of what was supposed to be 'The Pines of Rome' -- a work I had first heard in the mid 50s and one that I knew well by the 80s -- and it was only when the singing started that I recognised Phil Collins' voice and could thus narrow down the possibilities. The CD was correctly labelled with the Respighi works so I can only guess what happened (one thought later). Anyway, it turned out to be the beginning of 'Down and Out' from Genesis's '... and then there were three' album and I really enjoyed it. (Peter Gabriel had apparently left the band by then. I've been a Genesis fan for ages, having a considerabe number of their albums with 'Selling England by the Pound' being my favourite. I've always thought they've been underrated). Anyway, I ended up buying the CD of it and I was also able to obtain a copy of the REAL Respighi. I was amazed that the pressing plant could get such totally different sorts of music mixed up like that and I guess one has to question their organisation -- or lack of it! Perhaps I'm being unduly harsh as I'm not familiar with the overall procedure. I assume that the correct master was selected initially for the transfer and that the mixup occurred at the labelling stage of the operation which I imagine must take place later in the chain of events. I wonder how many CDs were produced before someone realised the booboo? I must admit that whether the original CD would ever have any intrinsic value if I held on to it never occurred to me at the time. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Erik Sanborn' To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:29 AM Subject: [tadream] RE: Antique Dreams error II > FWIW, I still have a copy of the old Genesis LP 'Foxtrot' that has the same > music on both sides. The tracks from side A were duplicated on side B but > the visible breaks between the tracks on side A were absent on side B. Side > B should've been a single track called 'Supper's Ready.' > > I suspect that these sort of manufacturing errors happen more frequently > than we might think but it's hard to say if they have collector value. > Intentional differences such as different sound mixes or even different > cover art tend to have more value than unintentional differences. For > example, a hardcore Genesis fan offered to buy my mispressed copy of > 'Foxtrot' but wasn't willing to pay more than the cost of a new LP at the > time. Similarly, if you find someone willing to buy your mislabeled Logos > LP I'll bet that you won't get a premium for it. The tricky thing about > collector value is finding a collector who places a premium value on your item. > > If the music on your LP was different than the normal album release then > you'd really have something of value. :-) > > Regards, > > Erik > > > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:45:51 -0600 > > From: 'Owens, James' > > > >Just out of curiosity, I once had an LP of Logos that had two labels pressed > >into side A, one was shifted a little into the inside of the groove. The > >last 2 or 3 minutes of side A were unplayable. > > > >So my question: Does anything like that have a collector value? > > > >James > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Michael Jean [mailto:mjean@b...] > > > > > Maybe it is just a mistake... I once had an LP of ENCORE > > > where sides 2 and 3 were something completely different...It > > > included Knocking on Heaven' Door among other things....I > > > didn't know what to make of it, until I picked up another > > > copy of Encore and heard the music that was supposed to be there... > > > > > > Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:41:44 +0100 > > > From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... > > > Subject: Antique Dream error > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > for a long time, was in the mailing list writing about an > > > error on an version (CD) of the Antique Dreams. > > > > > > My information : > > > Polka Music ??? on the CD no TD Music > > > > > > Matrix Number: DOCdata Germany BETA 2719-2 IFPL357 > > > 'the cd has a square outline around a red streaked corcle design' > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 8:44 am Subject: TDI guestbook It seems the TDI guestbook does no longer exist..? Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29874 Re: TDI guestbook Peter Ravn Wed 10/31/2001 2 KB 29876 Re: TDI guestbook Michael Jean Wed 10/31/2001 2 KB 29877 Re: TDI guestbook goozer@a... Wed 10/31/2001 2 KB 29878 Re: TDI guestbook Matthew Stringer Wed 10/31/2001 3 KB 29879 Re: TDI guestbook Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 10/31/2001 2 KB 29882 Re: TDI guestbook Matthew Stringer Wed 10/31/2001 2 KB 29890 Re: TDI guestbook PERGAMON Wed 10/31/2001 2 KB 29898 Re: TDI guestbook Heiko Heerssen Thu 11/1/2001 2 KB 29901 Re: TDI guestbook Paul Lawler Thu 11/1/2001 3 KB From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 8:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI guestbook Yeah, too many narrow minded people wrote just nonense there... Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Heiko Heerssen To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:44 AM Subject: [tadream] TDI guestbook > It seems the TDI guestbook does no longer exist..? > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 12:36 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] What is the mastering on Tangents 73-83 Boxset like? Edgar apparently spent 6 months working on the remastering and overlaying the new sounds, I'd say it's among the best sound quality they have produced. Superb sleeve artwork and a very good booklet with lots of interesting reading too. The Virgin remasters are overrated IMO. I have the Exit and White Eagle remasters and frankly there's just as much tape hiss on 'Remote Viewing' as there was on the original. Paul ---------- >De : Richard Stevens >Ŕ : >Objet : [tadream] What is the mastering on Tangents 73-83 Boxset like? >Date : Mer 31 oct 2001 6:59 > > I have been thinking about getting this Boxset for some time, Can anyone > tell me if the mastering and sounds quality is better or worse than any of > thew new American European remasters? > > R > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 2:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI guestbook I don't know..I was just reading thorugh it yesterday during lunch, and didn't see anything unusally inflamatory.... Except one comment complaining about Edgar being old or something stupid like that, but the webmaster had already responded to that... >>> heiko.heerssen@h... 10/31/01 03:44AM >>> It seems the TDI guestbook does no longer exist..? Heiko ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29877 Re: TDI guestbook goozer@a... Wed 10/31/2001 2 KB 29878 Re: TDI guestbook Matthew Stringer Wed 10/31/2001 3 KB From: goozer@a... Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 4:38 pm Subject: Re: TDI guestbook I'm sure it was just the final straw...he had warned those idiots that he'd take it down if they wouldn't shut up. Of course, the bad news is now they'll start spewing in this forum....:) :( And before anyone says anything...*NO*, it's *not* now, nor was it ever, a 'free speech' issue! A Guestbook is *NOT* an open forum! How stupid do you have to be not to understand that! goozer --- In tadream@y..., 'Michael Jean' wrote: > I don't know..I was just reading thorugh it yesterday during lunch, and didn't see anything unusally inflamatory.... Except one comment complaining about Edgar being old or something stupid like that, but the webmaster had already responded to that... > > >>> heiko.heerssen@h... 10/31/01 03:44AM >>> > It seems the TDI guestbook does no longer exist..? > > Heiko From: Matthew Stringer Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 5:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI guestbook I very rarely visit the TDI site, I'm curious as to what could have been posted which could have caused the upset. Matt On Wednesday 31 October 2001 2:19 pm, Michael Jean wrote: > I don't know..I was just reading thorugh it yesterday during lunch, and > didn't see anything unusally inflamatory.... Except one comment complaining > about Edgar being old or something stupid like that, but the webmaster had > already responded to that... > > >>> heiko.heerssen@h... 10/31/01 03:44AM >>> > > It seems the TDI guestbook does no longer exist..? > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 5:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI guestbook Doesn't really matter other than the fact a few spoiled it for the many. Happens here once in a while too. Best if you got something that might offend or is off topic to just send via e-mail to the person you wish to talk too than post it. Besides, has anyone found a cure yet for OLD AGE? We all grow old so what difference does it matter if they say Edgar is getting old? I think that goes his personal issues. I am just glad he is still around. He has much to teach still. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29882 Re: TDI guestbook Matthew Stringer Wed 10/31/2001 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 5:28 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] What is the mastering... >The Virgin remasters are overrated IMO. I have the Exit and White Eagle >remasters and frankly there's just as much tape hiss on 'Remote Viewing' as >there was on the original. > >Paul On the case of Remote Viewing... What's that strange glassy noise at 8 minutes or so? It's very quiet, but it's still there. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 5:33 pm Subject: TDI Guestbook. Hello Dreamers. I think you will find the guestbook is still there,reports of shutdown seem to be premature. Best regards CJ. From: Matthew Stringer Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 5:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI guestbook I'm curious as to what the teachings of old Ed would be? Matt Besides, has anyone found a cure yet for OLD AGE? We > all grow old so what difference does it matter if they say Edgar is getting > old? I think that goes his personal issues. I am just glad he is still > around. He has much to teach still. From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 6:48 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream USA tour DATES. Hello I was just looking in on the GEMM music web site,when i came across some TD tour dates for 2002.The Theatre Of Living Arts concert in Philadelphia looks to have been re-scheduled for saturday january 26th, and the Bogarts concert in Cincinnati has been re-scheduled for wednesday february 13th.Just thought id let the american TD fans know about it,as i have not seen it anywhere else. P/S Guestbook is down again. Best regards CJ. From: 'Phil White' Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 6:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno Hi Kevin, Presumably this refers to the official release of the Bernau concerts which took place in Berlin on October 7th last. Regards Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: [tadream] Inferno? > I've just received my latest C&D Services newsletter which makes reference > to a November/December new studio release entitled Inferno. > > There's nothing on the official Tangerine Dream Website. > > Anyone got any ideas? > > Kevin. From: chris towers Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 7:29 pm Subject: QAF Does anyone have any ideas where a copy of this QAF might be available. I have a copy on VHS which ive had for years. It is enjoyable and watchable but not the best quality around. Any ideas ??? maybe on CDr or something?? Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 7:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Inferno perhaps the rights don't belong to TDI. that would surprise me, but it's possible. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' > > to a November/December new studio release entitled Inferno. > > There's nothing on the official Tangerine Dream Website. > > Anyone got any ideas? From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 8:17 pm Subject: THE FRANKE DISCUSSION Paul Lawler said something last week sometime (I'm too lazy to look it up) about Franke being an accomplished keyboardist. Well, I'm listening to Parisian Dreams (1986 Olympia, Paris, France) part III, the live version of Dolphin Dance. This has got to be one of the most rockin' keyboard solos I've heard anywhere. This live version makes the album version sound like MUZAK by comparison! (and Underwater Sunlight is usually my FAVORITE TD album). Now the line-up for this concert was Froese, Franke, Haslinger, so there was no Johannes Schmoelling to pull of the jazzy solos that he was capable of. So the synth solo on this is most likely to be Franke (since Dolphin Dance was written WAY before Haslinger joined). If it IS Christoph playing here, he has VERY DEFINITELY been underrated for his keyboard abilities. If you haven't heard this track yet, buy, beg, borrow, or otherwise obtain this SOMEHOW! It's a definite MUST HEAR. I know it's on the '3-Tier Dream On!' boot, and the 'Parisian Dreams' boot. James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29888 Re: THE FRANKE DISCUSSION ampmusic Wed 10/31/2001 3 KB 29889 Re: THE FRANKE DISCUSSION Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 10/31/2001 2 KB 29893 Re: THE FRANKE DISCUSSION Frank Arellano Wed 10/31/2001 4 KB 29905 Re: THE FRANKE DISCUSSION Owens, James Thu 11/1/2001 4 KB 29906 Re: THE FRANKE DISCUSSION ampmusic Thu 11/1/2001 3 KB 29907 Re: THE FRANKE DISCUSSION Owens, James Thu 11/1/2001 5 KB 29910 Re: THE FRANKE DISCUSSION john@p... Thu 11/1/2001 3 KB 29916 Re: THE FRANKE DISCUSSION chris towers Thu 11/1/2001 5 KB 29913 Re: THE FRANKE DISCUSSION Joe Shoults Thu 11/1/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 9:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION Paul composed huge chunks of the 'Underwater Sunlight' album. This exact solo (album version) was his 'audition' for the band. It's him playing it live. Source; a horse's mouth :-) 'Owens, James' wrote: > Paul Lawler said something last week sometime (I'm too lazy to look it up) > about Franke being an accomplished keyboardist. Well, I'm listening to > Parisian Dreams (1986 Olympia, Paris, France) part III, the live version of > Dolphin Dance. This has got to be one of the most rockin' keyboard solos > I've heard anywhere. This live version makes the album version sound like > MUZAK by comparison! (and Underwater Sunlight is usually my FAVORITE TD > album). Now the line-up for this concert was Froese, Franke, Haslinger, so > there was no Johannes Schmoelling to pull of the jazzy solos that he was > capable of. So the synth solo on this is most likely to be Franke (since > Dolphin Dance was written WAY before Haslinger joined). If it IS Christoph > playing here, he has VERY DEFINITELY been underrated for his keyboard > abilities. > > If you haven't heard this track yet, buy, beg, borrow, or otherwise obtain > this SOMEHOW! It's a definite MUST HEAR. > I know it's on the '3-Tier Dream On!' boot, and the 'Parisian Dreams' boot. > > James > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 9:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION A++ for the source. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'ampmusic' To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION > Paul composed huge chunks of the 'Underwater Sunlight' album. This exact solo (album version) was his 'audition' for the band. > It's him playing it live. > > Source; a horse's mouth :) From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 10:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI guestbook > Edgar is getting > old? I think that goes his personal issues. I am just glad he is still > around. He has much to teach still. One of the good things about Edgar Froese, IMO, is that he hasn't gone 'hey-I-am-sixteen-again-and-have-to-play-rock'n'roll' like many other bands that has been around for many years. F.ex. Mick Jagger is still running around believing he is an eighteen year old sexbomb, with an urge to show the rest of the world that he can still rock'n'roll. I am not trying to offend anyone, this is just my opinion. Tangerine Dream is still making beautifull atmospheric music. I have my favorite era's, but they still have something that no other can do and hopefully for many years to come. Regards Jan From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 10:30 pm Subject: [tadream] Ground Liftaz in September Hi all, Did no-one go to this event? Despite the fact that this question has already been asked, there was a resounding silence as a response if I remember rightly. Rather surprised that not a single fan went to this, must have been cancelled... Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29892 Re: Ground Liftaz in September chris towers Wed 10/31/2001 2 KB 29899 Re: Ground Liftaz in September Heiko Heerssen Thu 11/1/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 10:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz in September No it wasnt cancelled, i remember seeing lots of photos from the event, although i also dont know anyone who attended Chris --- Paul Fellows wrote: > Hi all, > > Did no-one go to this event? Despite the fact that > this question has > already been asked, there was a resounding silence > as a response if I > remember rightly. Rather surprised that not a > single fan went to this, must > have been cancelled... > > Paul > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 9:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION You're right, James. Beg, borrow or whatever you have to do to hear it, it's absolutely fabulous !! Unfortunately, Underwater Sunlight doesn't even come close to Parisian Dream. I use Parisian Dream as a means of introducing friends to TD. I find that it is very accessible ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 1:17 PM Subject: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION > Paul Lawler said something last week sometime (I'm too lazy to look it up) > about Franke being an accomplished keyboardist. Well, I'm listening to > Parisian Dreams (1986 Olympia, Paris, France) part III, the live version of > Dolphin Dance. This has got to be one of the most rockin' keyboard solos > I've heard anywhere. This live version makes the album version sound like > MUZAK by comparison! (and Underwater Sunlight is usually my FAVORITE TD > album). Now the line-up for this concert was Froese, Franke, Haslinger, so > there was no Johannes Schmoelling to pull of the jazzy solos that he was > capable of. So the synth solo on this is most likely to be Franke (since > Dolphin Dance was written WAY before Haslinger joined). If it IS Christoph > playing here, he has VERY DEFINITELY been underrated for his keyboard > abilities. > > If you haven't heard this track yet, buy, beg, borrow, or otherwise obtain > this SOMEHOW! It's a definite MUST HEAR. > I know it's on the '3-Tier Dream On!' boot, and the 'Parisian Dreams' boot. > > James > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: rh05041975@h... Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 12:29 am Subject: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ Subject: Ground Liftaz in September I thought this was a interesting point which I would like to pick up on... Were any members of TD there ?! specifically who ... and why DID no one go ! TD - Sales I notice that TD worlwide sales are declining release on release... They are still in the top 10 ... they are selling less each time a new release comes out in comparrison to the previous release .... NO ONE can dispute that ... FACTS speak for themselves.. 'PHAEDRA' sold 20,000 units in the first 6 months of release in the UK ....back in 1974... TD are now only selling approx 6,000 units worldwide on new releases ... why ?? mmm ... perhaps this gives indications that TD are in decline and others are on the ascent !?? R Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29895 Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more Carl Kearney Thu 11/1/2001 3 KB 29896 Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more Richard Stevens Thu 11/1/2001 2 KB 29900 Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more Armin Theissen Thu 11/1/2001 2 KB 29902 Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more TDI MUSIC- Martin K. Thu 11/1/2001 3 KB 29908 Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more quarlie@a... Thu 11/1/2001 3 KB 29909 Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more Matthew Stringer Thu 11/1/2001 2 KB 29911 Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more Vince LeGrand Thu 11/1/2001 3 KB 29934 Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more Matthew Stringer Fri 11/2/2001 3 KB 29919 Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more John Vertical Thu 11/1/2001 4 KB From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 12:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:29 AM Subject: [tadream] Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ ( SNIP ) > TD - Sales > I notice that TD worlwide sales are declining release on release... > ( SNIP ) > FACTS speak for themselves.. > 'PHAEDRA' sold 20,000 units in the first 6 months of release in the UK > ....back in 1974... > TD are now only selling approx 6,000 units worldwide on new releases ... > why ?? > Dare I say that when Phaedra was released back in the good old days it was new and unique even innovative . These days any one with a good sampler and keyboard can reproduce pretty much anything TD have put out in recent years , now don't get me wrong I'm not having a dig at TD its just that I think people have come to realize there are equal if not better E- related bands out there in the big wide World playing music that's relevant to today's market . After attending Hampshire last weekend I can tell you for sure that there are at least 5 other groups doing far better stuff at the moment . Maybe TD need to move with the times to increase sales , a lot more publicity wouldn't go a miss and of course canceling tours doesn't help the situation for what ever reason . How many times do you hear TD played on mainstream radio ? Never , maybe we need a TD dance track to break into the market and generate sales . Just a thought . Regards , TDUK . or should I use the other name ??? maybe later :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29896 Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more Richard Stevens Thu 11/1/2001 2 KB 29900 Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more Armin Theissen Thu 11/1/2001 2 KB From: Richard Stevens Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 8:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ on 31/10/01 4:49 pm, Carl Kearney at Carljk@b... wrote: > > ( SNIP ) >> TD - Sales >> I notice that TD worlwide sales are declining release on release... >> ( SNIP ) >> FACTS speak for themselves.. >> 'PHAEDRA' sold 20,000 units in the first 6 months of release in the UK >> ....back in 1974... >> TD are now only selling approx 6,000 units worldwide on new releases ... >> why ?? You seem to know alot about TD's record sales... How many records in millions have TD sold worldwide since 1967? R From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 6:02 am Subject: Info about Jörg Schaaf Can anyone tell me how old Jörg Schaaf is? I'm currently cataloguing my EM CDs and want to enter his details for 'sonar eXperience'. I've done various web searches but the only info I can find out about him is his collaboration with KS on some of the latter's albums like 'Dosburg Online' and 'Are you sequenced?' and photos I've seen of the two of them together suggest that he's quite a bit younger than KS. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Incidentally, 'sonar eXperience' is a brilliant album for those who don't already know it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 7:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI guestbook > I very rarely visit the TDI site, I'm curious as to what could have been > posted which could have caused the upset. There were a few people who (ab)used the guestbook almost every day and turned it into their private discussion forum. Each time I saw an entry from one of these guys I was reminded of an old punk song by a Canadian band called Nomeansno: 'Oh no, Bruno! Too much is not enough' An apt title... Heiko From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 7:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz in September > Hi all, > > Did no-one go to this event? Despite the fact that this question has > already been asked, there was a resounding silence as a response if I > remember rightly. Rather surprised that not a single fan went to this, must > have been cancelled... Hi Paul, as far as I know nobody from the mailing list(s) went to see the 2nd Ground Liftaz party, mainly because there was no Tangerine Dream music played on that night. I don't even know if it took place or not.. Heiko From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 8:41 am Subject: Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ --- In tadream@y..., 'Carl Kearney' wrote: > How many times do you hear TD played on mainstream radio ? Never , maybe we > need a TD dance track to break into the market and generate sales . > The good thing about TD is that they don't care! What does quality has to do with appearance on mainstream radio? What does mainstream radio has to do with music at all? How often do you hear, for instance, Karlheinz Stockhausen on mainstream radio? armin From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 9:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI guestbook > There were a few people who (ab)used the guestbook almost every day and turned it into their private discussion forum. Each > time I saw an entry from one of these guys I was reminded of an old punk song by a Canadian band called Nomeansno: 'Oh no, > Bruno! Too much is not enough' > An apt title... > > Heiko You`re right ! I used to read the guestbook now and again and it seemed to be a personal soapbox and chatroom for the same 5 or 6 people ....Bruno, Richard ant King, Dustman etc and these self proclaimed defenders of TDs honour always used to bang on at how people should never use the site as a chat forum, and would then delve into a long winded thread about the sound development of TD in the last 10 years!!!???? I think those guys have only themselves to blame. On another note, I dont supppose that TD as a business would really want newcomers to the site to read how people more often than not like the older albums . I`m sure Ed would rather any sales benefited the TD of today . Paul From: 'TDI MUSIC- Martin K.' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 3:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ >FACTS speak for themselves.. >'PHAEDRA' sold 20,000 units in the first 6 months of release in the UK >....back in 1974... >TD are now only selling approx 6,000 units worldwide on new releases ... >why ?? >mmm ... perhaps this gives indications that TD are in decline and others are >on the ascent !?? Hi people, just a few things I want to clear up... 1. I wonder where 'R' got these numbers from. I am not in the postion to disclose any figures but I can tell you that, for instance, 'Mars Polaris' did much better than the above and is still running pretty strong. 'DM3' is another good example. I wonder why there´s a few people on the list who seem to be keen on spreading vicious rumours... ;-) 2. I can assure you that the Ground Liftaz event in September took place. The next GL-event will take place on December 21st at the SilverWings club in Berlin, Tempelhof-airport. It will feature no music by TD, but rather hard beats and breaks by Jerome, Janoschi and MacPhil, plus special guest DJ´s Sonnenburg & Behringer and ED2000. It all starts at: 11 p.m. More news to follow... Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 1:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more...... .. I've seen people post messages that reflect TDI sales, but how do you get these numbers? I'm not saying you're incorrect, because I don't know, but how do YOU know how much TD is selling? What are your sources? > -----Original Message----- > From: rh05041975@h... [mailto:rh05041975@h...] > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:29 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and > more........ > > > Subject: Ground Liftaz in September > I thought this was a interesting point which I would like to > pick up on... > Were any members of TD there ?! specifically who ... and why > DID no one go > ! > > TD - Sales > I notice that TD worlwide sales are declining release on release... > They are still in the top 10 ... they are selling less each time a new > release comes out > in comparrison to the previous release .... NO ONE can > dispute that ... > > FACTS speak for themselves.. > 'PHAEDRA' sold 20,000 units in the first 6 months of release > in the UK > ....back in 1974... > TD are now only selling approx 6,000 units worldwide on new > releases ... > why ?? > mmm ... perhaps this gives indications that TD are in decline > and others are > on the ascent !?? > > > R > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 1:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more.. ...... a perfect point! > -----Original Message----- > > How many times do you hear TD played on mainstream radio ? Never , ---------------------- > The good thing about TD is that they don't care! What does > quality has to do with appearance on mainstream radio? What does > mainstream radio has to do with music at all? How often do From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 2:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION If Haslinger composed Dolphin Dance, then why is the basic chord structure, rythm and bass sequence on the 'Soldier' soundtrack from 1981??? Paul may have composed the lead line, since it was noticeably absent from 'The Soldier'. I suppose It's just barely possible that Edgar gave him the base track and said 'see what you can do with this' as sort of an audition. James > -----Original Message----- > From: ampmusic [mailto:tadream@a...] > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:07 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION > > > Paul composed huge chunks of the 'Underwater Sunlight' album. > This exact solo (album version) was his 'audition' for the band. > It's him playing it live. > > Source; a horse's mouth :-) > > > > 'Owens, James' wrote: > > > Paul Lawler said something last week sometime (I'm too lazy > to look it up) > > about Franke being an accomplished keyboardist. Well, I'm > listening to > > Parisian Dreams (1986 Olympia, Paris, France) part III, the > live version of > > Dolphin Dance. This has got to be one of the most rockin' > keyboard solos > > I've heard anywhere. This live version makes the album > version sound like > > MUZAK by comparison! (and Underwater Sunlight is usually my > FAVORITE TD > > album). Now the line-up for this concert was Froese, > Franke, Haslinger, so > > there was no Johannes Schmoelling to pull of the jazzy > solos that he was > > capable of. So the synth solo on this is most likely to be > Franke (since > > Dolphin Dance was written WAY before Haslinger joined). If > it IS Christoph > > playing here, he has VERY DEFINITELY been underrated for > his keyboard > > abilities. > > > > If you haven't heard this track yet, buy, beg, borrow, or > otherwise obtain > > this SOMEHOW! It's a definite MUST HEAR. > > I know it's on the '3-Tier Dream On!' boot, and the > 'Parisian Dreams' boot. > > > > James > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go > to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: ampmusic Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 3:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION 'Owens, James' wrote: > If Haslinger composed Dolphin Dance, then why is the basic chord structure, > rythm and bass sequence on the 'Soldier' soundtrack from 1981??? > Nobody said Haslinger composed 'Dolphin Dance'. But if he almost entirely composed 'Song Of The Whale', that would be, like, half the album... > > Paul may have composed the lead line, since it was noticeably absent from > 'The Soldier'. I suppose It's just barely possible that Edgar gave him the > base track and said 'see what you can do with this' as sort of an audition. > > James > Most kind of you to acknowledge that a well established fact is 'barely possible' :-) Do you know the saying about a horse's mouth or not? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ampmusic [mailto:tadream@a...] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:07 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION > > > > > > Paul composed huge chunks of the 'Underwater Sunlight' album. > > This exact solo (album version) was his 'audition' for the band. > > It's him playing it live. > > > > Source; a horse's mouth :-) From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 3:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION Well, I was SPECIFICALLY talking about Dolphin Dance, as played in Paris 1986, and ruminating on who was playing the lead line, more specifically as possible supporting evidence to the comment someone reported Mark Shreeve making about Franke being a fantastic keyboardist. The bottom line is: Everybody knows that PH was tops on the keyboard, but we are trying to sort out just how much of a keyboard-solo-type contribution Christoph made. I guess I need to get Shreeve's 'Legion' and see if I can pick out Franke from the mix... Now, if you want to talk Song of the Whale, I'd say Part 2 is mostly Haslinger, with Edgar wailing in on guitar. but Part 1 sounds like a synthesis of all three players. Definite Edgar guitar leads, definitely Franke FX, and I'd guess the slow sequence in the background was probably Haslinger's doing. Of course Paul could have been doubling guitar parts, since I've seen he and Edgar play duets on '88 concert videos (perhaps '86 as well, but I'm not sure). Since you seem to have direct equestrian knowledge, what EXACTLY DID Paul say about his part in Dolphin Dance? James > -----Original Message----- > From: ampmusic [mailto:tadream@a...] > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 9:08 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION > > > > 'Owens, James' wrote: > > > If Haslinger composed Dolphin Dance, then why is the basic > chord structure, > > rythm and bass sequence on the 'Soldier' soundtrack from 1981??? > > > > Nobody said Haslinger composed 'Dolphin Dance'. But if he > almost entirely composed 'Song Of The Whale', that would be, like, > half the album... > > > > > > Paul may have composed the lead line, since it was > noticeably absent from > > 'The Soldier'. I suppose It's just barely possible that > Edgar gave him the > > base track and said 'see what you can do with this' as sort > of an audition. > > > > James > > > > Most kind of you to acknowledge that a well established fact > is 'barely possible' :-) > > Do you know the saying about a horse's mouth or not? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ampmusic [mailto:tadream@a...] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:07 PM > > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION > > > > > > > > > Paul composed huge chunks of the 'Underwater Sunlight' album. > > > This exact solo (album version) was his 'audition' for the band. > > > It's him playing it live. > > > > > > Source; a horse's mouth :-) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29910 Re: THE FRANKE DISCUSSION john@p... Thu 11/1/2001 3 KB 29916 Re: THE FRANKE DISCUSSION chris towers Thu 11/1/2001 5 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 4:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ In a message dated 10/31/01 7:48:39 PM, Carljk@b... writes: >These days any one with a good sampler and keyboard can reproduce pretty >much anything TD have put out in recent years... Much like anyone with a piano (and the skill to play it) can reproduce any of Beethoven's piano sonatas. Hell, someone with all the gear TD had in 1974 could probably reproduce Phaedra pretty closely if they really put their mind to it. I'm not seeing the problem here. >now don't get me wrong I'm >not having a dig at TD its just that I think people have come to realize >there are equal if not better E- related bands out there in the big wide >World playing music that's relevant to today's market . I'd say that electronic music as we know it is not relevant to today's market. You'll never see Redshift scoring a top 10 hit. (No offense to Redshift, that's a random example.) >After attending Hampshire last weekend I can tell you for sure that there >are at least 5 other groups doing far better stuff at the moment . In your opinion, sure. >How many times do you hear TD played on mainstream radio ? How many times do you hear ANYTHING good played on mainstream radio? ;) --Daniel NP: Haujobb--Polarity Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29909 Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more Matthew Stringer Thu 11/1/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 4:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ On Thursday 01 November 2001 4:16 pm, you wrote: > In a message dated 10/31/01 7:48:39 PM, Carljk@b... writes: > >These days any one with a good sampler and keyboard can reproduce pretty > >much anything TD have put out in recent years... That's just down to cost, the huge modular synths that TD used back in the 70's were very expensive, you wouldn't see them in a home studio! Technology these days is very cheap, and almost anyone can get a PC, synth, sampler, MD, mixer etc. Matt From: john@p... Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 4:31 pm Subject: Re: THE FRANKE DISCUSSION --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > Well, I was SPECIFICALLY talking about Dolphin Dance, as played in Paris > 1986, and ruminating on who was playing the lead line, If my memory is working, that part (as well as lots of the rest) is punctuated by Franke's Emulator chords. So even if there was no other evidence, I don't think it could be CF. > more specifically as > possible supporting evidence to the comment someone reported Mark Shreeve > making about Franke being a fantastic keyboardist. I remember that. His comments were more to do with his ability as a synthesist, able to pull great sounds out at the drop of a hat. The part he added was the spitty leadline which shows nice and expressive playing but nothing out of the ordinary for any decent player. > Everybody knows that PH was tops on the keyboard, but we are trying to sort > out just how much of a keyboard-solo-type contribution Christoph made. Not much. I think they'd pretty much left that role to Johannes in the early 80s, and they were looking for a direct replacement. jc From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 4:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ From: Matthew Stringer >That's just down to cost, the huge modular synths that TD used back in the >70's were very expensive, you wouldn't see them in a home studio! > Actually, there is quite a resurgence in modular synths today. There are several members of this list, myself included, who own Synthesizers.com modular systems which offer virtually all the capabilities of TD 70's era modulars...with the bonus of more contemporary technology (more stable oscillators, etc.). While I wouldn't describe the Synthesizers.com modulars as 'inexpensive' they are in the price range of anyone considering higher-end digital synths. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29934 Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more Matthew Stringer Fri 11/2/2001 3 KB From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 4:41 pm Subject: Info about Jörg Schaaf Hi John, As far as I know he is 39. Can't remember where I got that Info from though. You can always double-check with Manikin. I agree with you in that Sonar experience is an excellent album. One of those that stand out from the rest. Heard that he worked over a year producing it. A lot of thought and feeling involved. Highly recommended. Olle >From: 'John Marchington' >Can anyone tell me how old Jörg Schaaf is? I'm currently cataloguing my EM >CDs and want to enter his details for 'sonar eXperience'. From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 4:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION Whose mouth is the horse's? Is there a reson you would use an figure of speech instead of actually saying who said it? > -----Original Message----- > > Do you know the saying about a horse's mouth or not? From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 4:49 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION Presumably he meant PH.... I used to have his email address somewhere, though I don;t know if we would want to bother him with something so silly... MJ >>> jshoults@f... 11/01/01 11:55AM >>> Whose mouth is the horse's? Is there a reson you would use an figure of speech instead of actually saying who said it? > -----Original Message----- > > Do you know the saying about a horse's mouth or not? ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 5:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: THE FRANKE DISCUSSION > > > more specifically as > > possible supporting evidence to the comment someone reported Mark > Shreeve > > making about Franke being a fantastic keyboardist. > > I remember that. His comments were more to do with his ability as a > synthesist, able to pull great sounds out at the drop of a hat. The > part he added was the spitty leadline which shows nice and expressive > playing but nothing out of the ordinary for any decent player. > No, his comments to me were about Chris as a keyboard player, unless you had a different conversation with Mark .I ask because Mark did also say that he was a great synthesist as well . Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29940 Re: THE FRANKE DISCUSSION john@p... Fri 11/2/2001 2 KB From: chris towers Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 6:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION I think we will all find that The WHOLE album of Underwater Sunlight was COMPOSED by CF & EF ONLY!!!!!! It was PERFORMED by CF, EF & PH. Chris --- 'Owens, James' wrote: > Well, I was SPECIFICALLY talking about Dolphin > Dance, as played in Paris > 1986, and ruminating on who was playing the lead > line, more specifically as > possible supporting evidence to the comment someone > reported Mark Shreeve > making about Franke being a fantastic keyboardist. > The bottom line is: > Everybody knows that PH was tops on the keyboard, > but we are trying to sort > out just how much of a keyboard-solo-type > contribution Christoph made. I > guess I need to get Shreeve's 'Legion' and see if I > can pick out Franke from > the mix... > > Now, if you want to talk Song of the Whale, I'd say > Part 2 is mostly > Haslinger, with Edgar wailing in on guitar. but > Part 1 sounds like a > synthesis of all three players. Definite Edgar > guitar leads, definitely > Franke FX, and I'd guess the slow sequence in the > background was probably > Haslinger's doing. Of course Paul could have been > doubling guitar parts, > since I've seen he and Edgar play duets on '88 > concert videos (perhaps '86 > as well, but I'm not sure). > > Since you seem to have direct equestrian knowledge, > what EXACTLY DID Paul > say about his part in Dolphin Dance? > > James > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ampmusic > [mailto:tadream@a...] > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 9:08 AM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION > > > > > > > > 'Owens, James' wrote: > > > > > If Haslinger composed Dolphin Dance, then why is > the basic > > chord structure, > > > rythm and bass sequence on the 'Soldier' > soundtrack from 1981??? > > > > > > > Nobody said Haslinger composed 'Dolphin Dance'. > But if he > > almost entirely composed 'Song Of The Whale', that > would be, like, > > half the album... > > > > > > > > > > Paul may have composed the lead line, since it > was > > noticeably absent from > > > 'The Soldier'. I suppose It's just barely > possible that > > Edgar gave him the > > > base track and said 'see what you can do with > this' as sort > > of an audition. > > > > > > James > > > > > > > Most kind of you to acknowledge that a well > established fact > > is 'barely possible' :-) > > > > Do you know the saying about a horse's mouth or > not? > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: ampmusic > [mailto:tadream@a...] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:07 PM > > > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul composed huge chunks of the 'Underwater > Sunlight' album. > > > > This exact solo (album version) was his > 'audition' for the band. > > > > It's him playing it live. > > > > > > > > Source; a horse's mouth :-) > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for > instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 6:30 pm Subject: Stockhausen on mainstream radio On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 08:41:54 -0000 'Armin Theissen' writes: >[. . .] How often do you hear, for instance, Karlheinz >Stockhausen on mainstream radio? Ah, gone are the days. ;) >armin Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: chris towers Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 6:52 pm Subject: Cynics or Fans?? WOW i cant believe the negativity on this site at the moment, can CF play keyboards? (im sure he can and a lot better than most people on here) , TDI are on the decline (buy your albums from them rather than the shop if its bothering you all) Hate pointing fingers so i wont but are there many actual fans left on here???, theres only a select few posts i see on here from a select 2 or 3 people with anything positive to say about them. Sorry to get anyones backs up but COM' ON...Lets enjoy the music. It was composed and performed for us to listen to and enjoy....lets all do that... Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29920 Re: Cynics or Fans?? tom807@a... Thu 11/1/2001 2 KB 29922 Re: Cynics or Fans?? John Vertical Thu 11/1/2001 2 KB 29923 Re: Cynics or Fans?? John Vertical Thu 11/1/2001 3 KB 29924 Re: Cynics or Fans?? tom807@a... Thu 11/1/2001 3 KB 29933 Re: Cynics or Fans?? chris towers Fri 11/2/2001 4 KB 29939 Re: Cynics or Fans?? rubyconist@y... Fri 11/2/2001 2 KB 29944 Re: Cynics or Fans?? Utch Entel Fri 11/2/2001 3 KB 29949 Re: Cynics or Fans?? chris towers Fri 11/2/2001 4 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 8:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ > >These days any one with a good sampler and keyboard can reproduce pretty > >much anything TD have put out in recent years... > >Much like anyone with a piano (and the skill to play it) can reproduce any >of >Beethoven's piano sonatas. Hell, someone with all the gear TD had in 1974 >could probably reproduce Phaedra pretty closely if they really put their >mind >to it. I'm not seeing the problem here. > You know what? One day someone asked me in school what were I listening with my walkman. I happened to have Rubycon; their comment was 'Did you make that yourself?' Granted, it could (well, we would have to assume a whole lot of things) be possible for even me to make something sounding at least remotely alike, but the trick is in the structure. The mere usage classical instruments wouldn't make a symphony... > >now don't get me wrong I'm > >not having a dig at TD its just that I think people have come to realize > >there are equal if not better E- related bands out there in the big wide > >World playing music that's relevant to today's market . > >I'd say that electronic music as we know it is not relevant to today's >market. You'll never see Redshift scoring a top 10 hit. (No offense to >Redshift, that's a random example.) > ...unless dance crap counts. > >After attending Hampshire last weekend I can tell you for sure that there > >are at least 5 other groups doing far better stuff at the moment . > >In your opinion, sure. > Well, I don't have the slightest idea of what has happened in the field of electronic music in general, but I do know that J.M.Jarre - I was a fan of him before I had heard TD - has also degenerated... Metamorphoses sucks. What I mean is that the pioneers of electronic music have stepped aside, or that's what I think at least. TD is no more the pathmaker #1, probably not even in the to 10. The ones who built the foundations left the rest of the castle to others. Electronic music has already been created, now it's up to new pioneers to discover new directions. It's not impossible that TD could even be among Phase Two, but I doubt it. > >How many times do you hear TD played on mainstream radio ? > >How many times do you hear ANYTHING good played on mainstream radio? ;) > To be even more critical: How often anything played on mainstream radio is actually music, not just commercial emptiness? (-idea from Orwell's 1984-) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: tom807@a... Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Cynics or Fans?? In a message dated 11/1/01 1:55:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, cjt999fire2000@y... writes: > Hate pointing fingers so i wont but are there many > actual fans left on here???, Tangerine Dream 'fans' are notorious complainers. I remember when Tangram was released, most of the comments were along the lines that TD had adopted a 'commercial' sound. Time and time again this has happened -- a new album is released and even those who consider themselves avid fans complain. Then a few years pass and the album is considered a 'classic.' Tom MP3.com - tom807 SoundStage! The $ensible Sound [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 8:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION 1)How does this oh-so-great live version relate to the last section of Livemiles? (I love that one) 2) I don't get the point of this who-was-playing-the-keyboards discussion. We have an electronic band with three members, right? Why only one would play keyboards, and not all three? The sequencing can't be all Franke has done over all these years, and I don't believe either that Edgar would refuse to play anything besides guitar and mellotron. What am I missing? Is this specifically about Dolphin Dance? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 9:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Cynics or Fans?? > > Hate pointing fingers so i wont but are there many > > actual fans left on here???, > >Tangerine Dream 'fans' are notorious complainers. I remember when Tangram >was >released, most of the comments were along the lines that TD had adopted a >'commercial' sound. Time and time again this has happened -- a new album is >released and even those who consider themselves avid fans complain. Then a >few years pass and the album is considered a 'classic.' >Tom I'd say that about every album TD has made in the period of... hmm... Zeit to Rockoon or something, has been more commercial than the one before. (Some exceptions like Le Parc to US, Cyclone to FM, may apply.) I'm not sure whether this has been a good or a bad thing... comments? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Cynics or Fans?? >WOW i cant believe the negativity on this site at the >moment, can CF play keyboards? (im sure he can and a >lot better than most people on here) , TDI are on the >decline (buy your albums from them rather than the >shop if its bothering you all) > >Hate pointing fingers so i wont but are there many >actual fans left on here???, theres only a select few >posts i see on here from a select 2 or 3 people with >anything positive to say about them. > >Sorry to get anyones backs up but COM' ON...Lets enjoy >the music. It was composed and performed for us to >listen to and enjoy....lets all do that... > > >Chris Well, I do consider myself a fan. I'd love to see more discussion about the music itself, not all the other things. Of course there's the choice to 'Want to discuss a specific album...' but I'm too lazy to check every album separetly. Or wait, I think I'll check that one right now... Okay, picked more or less randomly Exit, and results: nothing. What's wrong with you people? I thought that at least the people here could concentrate on the music. Well, since the TDI guestbook has been turned into a discussion forum, I think I could do the same to the reviews at Amazon.com... or could I? Naaaah. John Vertcial _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: tom807@a... Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 9:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Cynics or Fans?? In a message dated 11/1/01 4:01:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, johnvertical@h... writes: > > > Hate pointing fingers so i wont but are there many > > > actual fans left on here???, > > > >Tangerine Dream 'fans' are notorious complainers. I remember when Tangram > >was > >released, most of the comments were along the lines that TD had adopted a > >'commercial' sound. Time and time again this has happened -- a new album > is > >released and even those who consider themselves avid fans complain. Then a > >few years pass and the album is considered a 'classic.' > >Tom > > > I'd say that about every album TD has made in the period of... hmm... Zeit > to Rockoon or something, has been more commercial than the one before. > (Some > exceptions like Le Parc to US, Cyclone to FM, may apply.) I'm not sure > whether this has been a good or a bad thing... comments? > I meant to say that calling an album 'commercial' is just an example of many of the complaints that greets each release. Remember -- Phaedra and Rubycon sold a million copies. So 'commercial' in some cases just means selling out, I guess. Tom Lyle MP3.com - tom807 SoundStage! The $ensible Sound [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29933 Re: Cynics or Fans?? chris towers Fri 11/2/2001 4 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 9:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] THE FRANKE DISCUSSION I'll answer both of your questions: First off, the version on Parisian Dreams is basically the same as the one on Underwater Sunlight, only several of the lead parts are different. They're played live, and sound like the keyboardist (whoever it was) is really getting into his solo. Since I couldn't be at the Paris '86 concert (I had never heard of TD in '86, and I was still in High School), it's nice to imagine what it would have been like. So here I am daydreaming this concert while I listen, and this really KICKIN' keyboard solo starts up. So I look up to see whose MAGIC FINGERS are making those sounds. And whose face do I see? And THAT is the point of this 'who-was-playing-the-keyboards discussion'. James > -----Original Message----- > 1)How does this oh-so-great live version relate to the last > section of > Livemiles? (I love that one) > > 2) I don't get the point of this > who-was-playing-the-keyboards discussion. > Is > this specifically about Dolphin Dance? From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 10:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Info about Jörg Schaaf Hi Olle, Thanks for the info about Jörg and the suggestion to check with Manikin -- which I obviously never considered. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:41 AM Subject: [tadream] Info about Jörg Schaaf Hi John, As far as I know he is 39. Can't remember where I got that Info from though. You can always double-check with Manikin. I agree with you in that Sonar experience is an excellent album. One of those that stand out from the rest. Heard that he worked over a year producing it. A lot of thought and feeling involved. Highly recommended. Olle >From: 'John Marchington' >Can anyone tell me how old Jörg Schaaf is? I'm currently cataloguing my EM >CDs and want to enter his details for 'sonar eXperience'. ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 11:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ > --- In tadream@y..., 'Carl Kearney' wrote: > > > How many times do you hear TD played on mainstream radio ? Never , > maybe we > > need a TD dance track to break into the market and generate sales . > The good thing about TD is that they don't care! ( SNIP ) Valid Point but I seem to recall the original question was why the decline in TD sales ,. I mearly pointed out it was possibly due to the lack of commercial scope . Yeah TD don't care and good for them , Someone also mentioned that Dance music was crap and not E-M related !!!!!!!! So how do you come to that conclusion??????? I work as a full time DJ and believe me TD are one of the easiest E-M group to mix into dance tracks , I regularly play loads of E-M at my gigs along with many other bands , you would be surprised what you can do with Pink Floyd tracks :-) Anyway Ill be sure to pass on your Dance music is crap comments to the 145.000 or so people at the next Creamfields event .( R ) Regards as usual , TDUK . P.S When we going to get a new album Mr. Lawler ? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29935 Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more Armin Theissen Fri 11/2/2001 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 11:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ Ah, but what is art? Is it a rose by any other name just a rose? What crap may be as junk to you maybe gold or a treasure beyond compare. At least we can express our opinions. Be they wrong or right. Which in this case Dance Music isn't just crap. I like to hold that term to Rap. But that is my thought and many will certainly disagree with me on that. (I don't think all Rap is crap just a good percentage of it.) Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. > mentioned that Dance music was crap and not E-M related !!!!!!!! So how do > you come to that conclusion??????? > I work as a full time DJ and believe me TD are one of the easiest E-M group > to mix into dance tracks , I regularly play loads of E-M at my gigs along > with many other bands , you would be surprised what you can do with Pink > Floyd tracks :-) > > Anyway Ill be sure to pass on your Dance music is crap comments to the > 145.000 or so people at the next Creamfields event .( R ) > > Regards as usual , TDUK . > From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 1:21 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TDream...Chill Out ? LOL, Ok, technically speaking you could probably dance to (or on? were you stomping on the record itself?) anything as long as you had a good imagination and no inhibitions, yes, I agree. But....that would not be typical. And, I really doubt that Rubycon was created with dancing in mind at all. 8-) Dell NP: Apollo City Hall 3-25-78: well, if you danced to this you would look like a whirling dervish As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'Hulshoff, Bert' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: RE: [tadream] TDream...Chill Out ? >Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:43:32 +0100 >In my 'early' days when I was about 19 , the people which were my >friends at that time and myself could 'dance' on it, you had to have had >a lot of beer, or an open mind but you could do it, it was like moving >on the moon ;-) > >Bert PS:Excellent description of the dance, by the way. 8) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29938 Re: TDream...Chill Out ? rubyconist@y... Fri 11/2/2001 2 KB From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 1:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI guestbook Maybe, hopefully, they are merely finding a way to archive it? perhaps it takes up too much space on the web site? and nobody goes back and reads the middle 150 or so pages anyway? I'll miss it if it is gone for good. I made several terrific fan contacts that way. 8-/ Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: Heiko Heerssen >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] TDI guestbook >Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:44:13 +0100 > >It seems the TDI guestbook does no longer exist..? > >Heiko _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29970 Re: TDI guestbook rubyconist@y... Tue 11/6/2001 2 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 2:07 am Subject: Re: Dance vs. EM In a message dated 11/1/01 3:49:51 PM, johnvertical@h... writes: >>I'd say that electronic music as we know it is not relevant to today's >>market. You'll never see Redshift scoring a top 10 hit. (No offense to >>Redshift, that's a random example.) > >...unless dance crap counts. Yeah; I meant the genre of music that we tend, for better or worse, to call 'electronic music.' I guess I would define it as any music that is mostly synth-based and uses the synths to produce identifiably synthetic sounds; music in which the synthesizers are the focus. I didn't mean the entire category of music created with electronic instruments. Britney Spears' songs are predominantly synthesized, but I sure wouldn't call them 'electronic music.' That said, there is danger in generalizing all dance music as crap. I don't know if you meant it that way, but it's possible to have a dance beat and still be artistically valid. --Daniel NP: Haujobb--Polarity (again) From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 2:34 am Subject: technology is just technology Re affordable modular synths... well maybe not a full-fledged Moog, but certainly a Nord modular would be affordable, or one of the software-based modulars. At any rate... I agree that technology does not music make. Best example I can think of is writing... anybody can go out and buy a notebook and a pencil, but that doesn't mean you're going to be the next . That's probably how it should be. The talent and the communication soul-to-soul is what matters. The fact that technology enables more people than ever before to materialize their musical ideas is fantastic, IMO. Given that Cubase, for example, has a 2 million user base (and that's just for legal copies), of course, not every user out there is a Mozart waiting to happen. As in everything else in nature, I suppose... how many seeds are sown; how many yield something useful; how many yield something brilliant? << Subject: Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ On Thursday 01 November 2001 4:16 pm, you wrote: > In a message dated 10/31/01 7:48:39 PM, Carljk@b... writes: > >These days any one with a good sampler and keyboard can reproduce pretty > >much anything TD have put out in recent years... That's just down to cost, the huge modular synths that TD used back in the 70's were very expensive, you wouldn't see them in a home studio! Technology these days is very cheap, and almost anyone can get a PC, synth, sampler, MD, mixer etc. Matt>>> From: chris towers Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 6:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Cynics or Fans?? Yeah thats a fair point Tom, but myself, i just experience each album as it comes and enjoy it for what it is. The good thing about TD is most of the material is different each time around, surely thats a good thing....rather than most music sounding the same all the time, lets excuse the hated I-Box and Tangents compilations :-) although i like them Chris --- tom807@a... wrote: > In a message dated 11/1/01 4:01:37 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > johnvertical@h... writes: > > > > > > Hate pointing fingers so i wont but are there > many > > > > actual fans left on here???, > > > > > >Tangerine Dream 'fans' are notorious complainers. > I remember when Tangram > > >was > > >released, most of the comments were along the > lines that TD had adopted a > > >'commercial' sound. Time and time again this has > happened -- a new album > > is > > >released and even those who consider themselves > avid fans complain. Then a > > >few years pass and the album is considered a > 'classic.' > > >Tom > > > > > > I'd say that about every album TD has made in the > period of... hmm... Zeit > > to Rockoon or something, has been more commercial > than the one before. > > (Some > > exceptions like Le Parc to US, Cyclone to FM, may > apply.) I'm not sure > > whether this has been a good or a bad thing... > comments? > > > > I meant to say that calling an album 'commercial' is > just an example of many > of the complaints that greets each release. Remember > -- Phaedra and Rubycon > sold a million copies. So 'commercial' in some cases > just means selling out, > I guess. > > Tom Lyle > MP3.com - > tom807 > HREF='http://www.soundstage.com/audio_frame.shtml'>SoundStage! > The $ensible > Sound > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 9:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ Wasn't really my point, technology is a whole lot cheaper these days, your average modern desktop PC would have cost millions back in the 70's but these days they're only about Ł600! I doubt the average home musician would've had a large modular system, more likely a guitar and an amp! Matt On Thursday 01 November 2001 4:33 pm, you wrote: > From: Matthew Stringer > > >That's just down to cost, the huge modular synths that TD used back in the > >70's were very expensive, you wouldn't see them in a home studio! > > Actually, there is quite a resurgence in modular synths today. There are > several members of this list, myself included, who own Synthesizers.com > modular systems which offer virtually all the capabilities of TD 70's era > modulars...with the bonus of more contemporary technology (more stable > oscillators, etc.). While I wouldn't describe the Synthesizers.com > modulars as 'inexpensive' they are in the price range of anyone considering > higher-end digital synths. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to > http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 9:21 am Subject: Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ hm? Did I say dance music is crap? I'm still in love with Tchaikovsky's Romeo and Juliet... ;-) --- In tadream@y..., 'Carl Kearney' wrote: > [snip] > > Anyway Ill be sure to pass on your Dance music is crap comments to the > 145.000 or so people at the next Creamfields event .( R ) > > Regards as usual , TDUK . > > P.S When we going to get a new album Mr. Lawler ? From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 10:02 am Subject: fae ra jaggy thistle Hi Someone forwarded this to me. Its from a Scottish satirical newsletter! Best Brian ---------------------------------------- >Save our kids from this drug menace! : The JT launches campaign on >unforeseen consequences of hash let up. >As David Blunkett announces plans to de-criminalise cannabis use, only >The JT campaigns against the real threat this move presents for >Scotland's youth - the inexorable rise of crap music. > >Speaking from Paisley's Department of Whacky Baccy Studies, Professor >Beaker told the JT: 'Wherever the state has taken a relaxed view of >cannabis use there has been a serious concomitant rise in the reckless >proliferation of really, really bad music.' > >In the Netherlands, often held up as an exemplar of liberal drug laws, >the tragedy of crap music is an everyday reality. > >Ronnie Rizla of Rotterdam told the JT: 'In the beginning, I am only >listening a little bit to Dark Side of the Moon by The Pink Floyds but >now I am mainlining all of Tangerine Dream's completely appalling >recording output. I am only praying that I can get help before I OD on >Tubular Bells.' Public Health experts throughout Scotland agree with >The JT that relaxing the law on cannabis use would have major >ramifications for the quality of music available to our young. One >boffin told the JT: 'It's too late for long term hash users, there's no >way you can convince them that Yes were a really crap band - but what >about our kids? Surely we owe it to them to protect them from 25 minute >long noodly doodly jam sessions?' > >Parents this week were urged to be on the lookout for changes in the >behaviour amongst their teenage offspring - telltale signs include no >longer sniggering in disbelief at Dad's old Leonard Cohen albums and >vanishing into their room with an old Cheech and Chong LP you can't even >remember buying. > >Meanwhile, representatives of the nation's Fags and Bevvy industry urged >consumers not to indulge in cannabis. A spokesplutocrat told the JT 'We >would urge fellow Scots to stick with perfectly legal drugs like tobacco >and alcohol until we've figured out a way to cash in on cannabis.' >Inside: The things kids say! 'Dad? Why are you buying fags AND cigarette >papers?' >October 2001 >~~~~~~~~~ >keep bleatherin linda > >Bad spellers of the world Untie! > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 10:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Kearney To: Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ > > P.S When we going to get a new album Mr. Lawler ? Your guess is as good as mine ! :) Paul From: rubyconist@y... Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 10:41 am Subject: Re: TDream...Chill Out ? --- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland' wrote: > LOL, Ok, technically speaking you could probably dance to (or on? were you > stomping on the record itself?) anything as long as you had a good > imagination and no inhibitions, yes, I agree. But....that would not be > typical. And, I really doubt that Rubycon was created with dancing in mind > at all. 8-) Dell > > NP: Apollo City Hall 3-25-78: well, if you danced to this you would look > like a whirling dervish > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. Oh please, this conversation is... well, somewhat pointless and stupid. Does it matter if you can or cannot dance to it? Or does it? I would say that you can't dance with anything TD has done (except music after Jerome's introduction as regular band member). Plus, I hate dancing. Regards, TheInfection From: rubyconist@y... Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 10:47 am Subject: Re: Cynics or Fans?? --- In tadream@y..., chris towers wrote: > WOW i cant believe the negativity on this site at the > moment, can CF play keyboards? (im sure he can and a > lot better than most people on here) , TDI are on the > decline (buy your albums from them rather than the > shop if its bothering you all) > > Hate pointing fingers so i wont but are there many > actual fans left on here???, theres only a select few > posts i see on here from a select 2 or 3 people with > anything positive to say about them. > > Sorry to get anyones backs up but COM' ON...Lets enjoy > the music. It was composed and performed for us to > listen to and enjoy....lets all do that... > > > Chris I have many good thing to say about them. Franke especially. He in a weird way introduced me to the world of TD through his B5-scores (I'm fanatic conserning B5). Regards, TheInfection From: john@p... Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 11:12 am Subject: Re: THE FRANKE DISCUSSION --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Lawler' wrote: > No, his comments to me were about Chris as a keyboard player, unless you had > a different conversation with Mark . This came from an interview rather than a conversation. I'm pretty sure I got the feel right (it was a long time ago, and I can't remember the source), but of course it doesn't preclude him thinking he was a great player too. jc From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 11:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ > > mentioned that Dance music was crap and not E-M related !!!!!!!! So how >do > > you come to that conclusion??????? > > I work as a full time DJ and believe me TD are one of the easiest E-M >group > > to mix into dance tracks , I regularly play loads of E-M at my gigs >along > > with many other bands , you would be surprised what you can do with Pink > > Floyd tracks :-) > > > > Anyway Ill be sure to pass on your Dance music is crap comments to the > > 145.000 or so people at the next Creamfields event .( R ) > > > > Regards as usual , TDUK . Okay, I did say that dance is crap. So what? I don't have to like it. And I'm not saying it's not EM related. I just plain don't like it. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: mengels@w... Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ >Okay, I did say that dance is crap. So what? I don't have to like it. And >I'm not saying it's not EM related. I just plain don't like it. > >John Vertical Not all dance/techno/ambient music is crap imo. It most certainly is better then what TD did with Dream Mixes...that has got no power imo. Haven't heard Ground Liftaz but if it's anything like DM then for me: no, please. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... >> NEU NEU NEU! .info Domains sind da! http://www.domainsave.at Machen Sie sich einen Namen im Internet und reservieren Sie hier: Domain-Anmeldung: http://www.domainsave.at .info und noch mehr Endungen: .at, co.uk, .org.uk, .tv, .cc, .ca, .biz (coming soon) --------------------------------------------------------- *** sent through http://www.everymail.net FREE e-mail From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 12:37 pm Subject: homepage update, Hawkwind collection for sale Believe it or not, someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse, so I actually had to update my 'The Rarest' cassette tape series and finally release Vol. 11. That's the main update for today. Slightly off-topic, but I know there are a few fellow Hawkfans on this list. I want to part with my whole live tape collection of the Hawks and Co. Interested ? Have a look at: http://www.caby.de/hawksale.txt Thanks, klaus From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 2:32 pm Subject: Re: Cynics or Fans?? Hi, Chris! > i just >experience each album as it comes and enjoy it for >what it is. The good thing about TD is most of the >material is different each time around, surely thats a >good thing....rather than most music sounding the same >all the time, lets excuse the hated I-Box and Tangents >compilations :-) although i like them I'm kind of like you... ...most stuff, old and new, I like in one way or another. Then, out of the blue, I'll spin something I haven't heard in a while, something that wasn't much of a favorite, and discover some new secret joy out of it. Being rather new to TD, say 5 or 6 years now, probably gives me an advantage to appreciate TD's diversity. I look forward to each new release knowing that I will purchase another treasure... As for the I-Box and Tangents... ...I love them as much as The Dream Roots Collection. I was excited when I received my autographed copy of the Dream Dice box set... ...especially when at that time I had only one CD that was in the box set. You know what I wish, though... ...is that TD would consider taking an ocean voyage with the intent of creating something for a new CD. Someone in the list a couple of weeks ago mentioned that a cruise might produce something creative... ...I think it could be a great idea. Exploit their diversity... ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened. --Winston Churchill Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29949 Re: Cynics or Fans?? chris towers Fri 11/2/2001 4 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 4:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Likes 'n' dislikes Hi, Could we round up this thread with simple adage if you don't like any particular genre of music ...don't listen to it. Regards Phil N.P. Sasha & Digweed 'Northern Exposure' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29948 Re: Likes 'n' dislikes chris towers Fri 11/2/2001 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 6:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ > >Okay, I did say that dance is crap. So what? I don't have > to like it. And > >I'm not saying it's not EM related. I just plain don't > like it. > > > >John Vertical > > Not all dance/techno/ambient music is crap imo. > It most certainly is better then what TD did > with Dream Mixes...that has got no power imo. > Haven't heard Ground Liftaz but if it's anything > like DM then for me: no, please. > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... Most people don't understand dance music and try to elevate it beyond what it is supposed to do. I hated dance music until I got a bit into the culture of it and it's certainally a blast to be a part of and healthy too! Even stuff as commercial as Darude's 'Feel the Beat' has some interesting stuff going on that sonically has some relating aspects to older TD. Greg H. From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 10:55 pm Subject: Re: Mainstream radio I think that it is pretty sad that the masses will never hear some of the great music that has been created. I'm left with the thought that mainstream music has as much to do with politics as anything; people in high places and / or lots of money 'A hundred thousand flies on sh** couldn't be wrong, could they?' 8-) The hell they can't be. 8-\ < 8-\ > Too true to laugh about it. 8-\ All IMO of course 8-) NP Dom F. Scab's 'Innerseed', nice! Looking forward to his new release. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 6:59 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ > a perfect point! > > > -----Original Message----- > > > How many times do you hear TD played on mainstream radio ? Never , > ---------------------- > > The good thing about TD is that they don't care! What does > > quality has to do with appearance on mainstream radio? What does > > mainstream radio has to do with music at all? How often do > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29951 Re: Mainstream radio Owens, James Fri 11/2/2001 3 KB From: chris towers Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 7:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Likes 'n' dislikes YEHAAAAA!!!!! my thoughts exactly, well said, i have said the same thing before, i totally agree Regards Chris --- Phil White wrote: > Hi, > Could we round up this thread with simple adage if > you don't like any > particular genre of music ...don't listen to it. > > Regards Phil > > N.P. Sasha & Digweed 'Northern Exposure' > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From: chris towers Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Cynics or Fans?? Yeah its good to read a post that also pulls up the old albums for a fresh listen. I myself was not a massive fan of Tyger for the first few listens, but now, yes i can hear the quality..... As far as new materials go im lookng forward to hearing the Inferno production, Thanks to Heiko :-) Cheers Chris --- Utch Entel wrote: > Hi, Chris! > > > > i just > >experience each album as it comes and enjoy it for > >what it is. The good thing about TD is most of the > >material is different each time around, surely > thats a > >good thing....rather than most music sounding the > same > >all the time, lets excuse the hated I-Box and > Tangents > >compilations :-) although i like them > > I'm kind of like you... ...most stuff, old and new, > I like in one way > or another. Then, out of the blue, I'll spin > something I haven't heard > in a while, something that wasn't much of a > favorite, and discover some > new secret joy out of it. Being rather new to TD, > say 5 or 6 years > now, probably gives me an advantage to appreciate > TD's diversity. I > look forward to each new release knowing that I will > purchase another > treasure... > > As for the I-Box and Tangents... ...I love them as > much as The Dream > Roots Collection. I was excited when I received my > autographed copy of > the Dream Dice box set... ...especially when at that > time I had only > one CD that was in the box set. > > You know what I wish, though... ...is that TD would > consider taking an > ocean voyage with the intent of creating something > for a new CD. > Someone in the list a couple of weeks ago mentioned > that a cruise might > produce something creative... ...I think it could be > a great idea. > Exploit their diversity... > > ...Utch > > --------------- Tear and crumple after reading > --------------- > > Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of > them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing > ever happened. --Winston Churchill > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or > bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music > Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 8:02 pm Subject: Recent TD is Good! Hey! After initially complaining how much I didn't like DREAM MIXES III, I find that I like it more than most of what TD has ever done. To my ears, there are three or four tracks on MARS POLARIS that are top-of-the-line, and the majority of DREAM MIXES III is really excellent (it's only the tish-tish percussion on 'Logos' that gets on my nerves now and then). Technically, TD's music is more advanced than it has ever been, and I relish the fact. Much as I like the older TD, I find that I now generally prefer Jerome's contributions to the band's oeuvre. Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29952 Re: Recent TD is Good! Frank Arellano Fri 11/2/2001 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Mainstream radio It seems to me that there is a limited subset of people that can appreciate a given form of art. For instance, I'm not very big on paintings (although I really adore Dahli and Escher). I admit I haven't spent a lot of time looking at the masters and contemplating the structure, brushstrokes, etc. On the other hand, I can appreciate a 'pretty picture', for instance I like a lot of Thomas Kincaid, etc., but I realize that that kind of painting could be considered 'commercial' by hardcore painting appreciators. On the other hand, I am inspired by music. I can appreciate almost every form of music, and I pride myself in the variety of music I regularly listen to. So I guess what I'm saying is that it is no loss to me if I never see the paintings of an up-and-coming painter whose works rival Picasso's. Likewise, I'm sure that there are people to whom a modern-day JS Bach would mean nothing. It's simply a matter of what we are attuned to in the appreciation department. Just a thought. > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...] > > I think that it is pretty sad that the masses will never hear > some of the > great music that has been created. From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Recent TD is Good! Yeah, I have to say that I was pleasantly surprised with DM III too! I was expecting to be somewhat turned off by TD's technoish direction they appeared to be headed towards after hearing a couple Ground Liftaz CDR's. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 1:02 PM Subject: [tadream] Recent TD is Good! > Hey! > After initially complaining how much I didn't like > DREAM MIXES III, I find that I like it more than most of > what TD has ever done. To my ears, there are three or > four tracks on MARS POLARIS that are top-of-the-line, > and the majority of DREAM MIXES III is really excellent > (it's only the tish-tish percussion on 'Logos' that gets > on my nerves now and then). > Technically, TD's music is more advanced than it > has ever been, and I relish the fact. Much as I like the > older TD, I find that I now generally prefer Jerome's > contributions to the band's oeuvre. > > Steven Feldman > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Fri Nov 2, 2001 11:14 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream. Tangerine Dream are the greatest of all time.So sorry chaps, but i cant help myself.I at this moment am listening to the superb STEREOLIGHT,probably the dreams greatest remix.Monolight rules. Best regards CJ. From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Sat Nov 3, 2001 12:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Lawler' To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carl Kearney > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 11:07 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and > more........ > > > > > > P.S When we going to get a new album Mr. Lawler ? > > > Your guess is as good as mine ! :) > > Paul Thats about the straightest answer Ive had on here yet :-) Thanks M8 . Regards Carl . From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 10:02 am Subject: Parisian Dreams Can someone fill me in on the details of Parisian Dreams? I've been reading about it here and my curiosity is piqued. Is this an official release on one of the Dream roots or I-box or some recent collection I don't have? Or is this just a boot. I have a friend who has a boot of the same show, but it's called something else... Thanks Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29957 Re: Parisian Dreams Gary Jenkins Sun 11/4/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 11:32 am Subject: thought I'd stop by the fillmore just got back from san francisco--and eventhough the fillmore's website has posted for the last several weeks that tangerine dream tickets are currently on sale for the February 26th show (and of course ticketmaster.com knows nothing about this)--I thought I'd stop by the fillmore's box office as long as I was near there tonight (er now last night) anyway to clear this up. Well, of course they weren't onsale and I noticed (now that I just got back home) that the fillmore's calendar of dates has disappeared. The kind folks at the fillmore did tell me that the current projected on sale date for the February 2002 San Francisco show will be January 27th. --T np TD Bernau 2001 late show _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 12:38 pm Subject: Re: Parisian Dreams --- In tadream@y..., Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > Can someone fill me in on the details of Parisian Dreams? I've been reading > about > it here and my curiosity is piqued. Is this an official release on one of the > Dream roots or I-box or some recent collection I don't have? Or is this just > a boot. I have a friend who has a boot of the same show, but it's called > something else... > Thanks > Poly > HI yes it is a boot I have an 12inch ltd edition produced in Finland could also be called Teknicon, I also think there is another part of the concert available as well but will stand corrected on that. Cheers Gary > From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 6:37 pm Subject: Parisien Dreams I also have the first half of the Parisien dreams concert last date of euro tour 86,which i believe to be very limited.I also have the second half (parisien dreams too) on a CDR,which a kind regular contibutor of this page copied for me.The album quality is excellent for a (boot)and the CDR copy is also excellent,those 1986 euro and stateside tours surely must have been some of their very best concerts I think theres another release called 3 tier dreams that also represents the same concert. Regards CJ From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 2:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Parisian Dreams info * 'Parisian Dreams' 'Teknicon, live in concert 1986' 'Live synthesizer music - RC Records - catalogue No. RC1' Made In Finland, limited edition, my copy is #00063 but it does not give the quantity of copies pressed. Side A - Part 1 (Intro, Stratosfear, Teknicon 1, Teknicon 2) Side B - Part 2 (Teknicon 3, Teknicon 4, Teknicon 5), Part 3 (Dolphin Dance) * 'Parisian Dreams Too' 'Teknicon, live in concert 1986' 'Live synthesizer music - RC Records - catalogue No. RC2' Made In Finland, limited edition, my copy has no copy number, nor does it give the quanity of copies pressed. Side A - Part 4 (Teknicon 6, Vermillion Sands/Guitar Duo, Going West) Side B - Part 5 (Yelowstone Park, Teknicon 7, Themes from Legend), Part 6 Dolphin Smile (Studio) Combining Parisian Dreams One and Two results in an excellent quality recording of the entire main set of (presumably) Paris 1986. Note - Side B of my 'Parisian Dream Too' suffers from unstable speed, meaning the sound is continually speeding up and slowing down. The recording is still very listenable, but is spolied by this flaw in the vinyl and/or the original recording. Is anyone else's copy like this? Does anyone have a copy which sounds fine on side B of the second record? - Chris Owen From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 3:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ You didn't like Dream Mixes III, Marcel? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ > >Okay, I did say that dance is crap. So what? I don't have > to like it. And > >I'm not saying it's not EM related. I just plain don't > like it. > > > >John Vertical > > Not all dance/techno/ambient music is crap imo. > It most certainly is better then what TD did > with Dream Mixes...that has got no power imo. > Haven't heard Ground Liftaz but if it's anything > like DM then for me: no, please. > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> NEU NEU NEU! .info Domains sind da! http://www.domainsave.at > Machen Sie sich einen Namen im Internet und reservieren Sie hier: > Domain-Anmeldung: http://www.domainsave.at .info und noch mehr > Endungen: .at, co.uk, .org.uk, .tv, .cc, .ca, .biz (coming soon) > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > *** sent through http://www.everymail.net FREE e-mail > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: mengels@w... Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 7:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ground Liftaz in September + Phaedra and more........ Frank wrote: >You didn't like Dream Mixes III, Marcel? I haven't heard it. Only heard DM I and wasn't that impressed by it. They made sort of dance mixes on it only the bass doesn't kick. Very strange because their bass kicked serious butt in the 80s when they had the real instruments and drumcomputers. (like Poland, Logos and the various boots) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... >> NEU NEU NEU! .info Domains sind da! http://www.domainsave.at Machen Sie sich einen Namen im Internet und reservieren Sie hier: Domain-Anmeldung: http://www.domainsave.at .info und noch mehr Endungen: .at, co.uk, .org.uk, .tv, .cc, .ca, .biz (coming soon) --------------------------------------------------------- *** sent through http://www.everymail.net FREE e-mail From: vic rek Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 2:30 pm Subject: Bernau Fantasy I have just posted a some various photos from my Bernau trip. Take a look if you are interested at: http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/tdbernau.htm You need to download about .5 Meg, so this may take a few minutes. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29965 Re: Bernau Fantasy Heiko Heerssen Tue 11/6/2001 2 KB 29974 Re: Bernau Fantasy Armin Theissen Wed 11/7/2001 2 KB 29966 Re: Bernau Fantasy Piotr'Millennium' Tue 11/6/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 8:03 pm Subject: Re: M3M3 For the benefit of those list members who ordered a copy, 'Music for the 3rd Millennium Vol. 3' featuring a new unreleased Johannes Schmoelling track (as well as unreleased Robert Schroeder, Harald Grosskopf, Vince Clarke & Martyn Ware etc.) started shipping today... From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue Nov 6, 2001 6:56 am Subject: Visions of Sound Hi all, auction on ebay.com: Visions of Sound - OOP Sampler CD with Tangerine Dream , Klaus Schulze , Wahnfried ... jump to: http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1482614442&r=0&t=0&showTut\ orial=0&ed=1005583173&indexURL=0&rd=1 Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) http://www.zanox-affiliate.de/bin/z_ct_ppc.dll?84845C1006059376 handy4you.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Nov 6, 2001 7:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bernau Fantasy > I have just posted a some various photos from my Bernau trip. > Take a look if you are interested at: Some nice pictures of a great concert, thanks Vic. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29974 Re: Bernau Fantasy Armin Theissen Wed 11/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Piotr\'Millennium\'' Date: Tue Nov 6, 2001 7:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bernau Fantasy Hello, Also I made photo in Bernau, are here: http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium > I have just posted a some various photos from my Bernau trip. > Take a look if you are interested at: > > http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/tdbernau.htm > > You need to download about .5 Meg, so this may take a few minutes. > > Vic From: kotzkarnickel@y... Date: Tue Nov 6, 2001 7:49 am Subject: Johannes Schmoelling at the filmFest in Braunschweig! Johannes will be at the filmFest in Braunschweig on November 7th 2001. See the official promotion text from their homepage (http://forum.gaertner.de/filmfest/Programm/english/eProg.htm) : Frank cracks safes but dreams of a 'regular life'. He eventually collaborates with the mob, marries his girlfriend, adopts a son and moves into a villa. He seems to have accomplished what he desired. He just has to do one more 'job'. Michael Mann's first feature is a perfectly constructed thriller in the Film Noir tradition. The soundtrack, by Tangerine Dream, is considered their best. The synthesiser captures the hopelessness of the story. Our guest, Johannes Schoelling, joined Tangerine Dream in 1979. He will share his memories of the collaboration with Michael Mann and Edgar Froese. Sorry for the wrong date I've posted some weeks ago! Andreas Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29968 Re: Johannes Schmoelling at the filmFest in Braun vic rek Tue 11/6/2001 3 KB From: vic rek Date: Tue Nov 6, 2001 7:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Johannes Schmoelling at the filmFest in Braunschweig! Whoever plans to attend this tomorrow, please take some good notes for us. Thanks, Vic > Johannes will be at the filmFest in Braunschweig on November > 7th 2001. > See the official promotion text from their homepage > (http://forum.gaertner.de/filmfest/Programm/english/eProg.htm) > : > Frank cracks safes but dreams of a 'regular life'. He > eventually > collaborates with the mob, marries his girlfriend, adopts a > son and moves > into a villa. He seems to have accomplished what he desired. > He just has > to do one more 'job'. Michael Mann's first feature is a > perfectly > constructed thriller in the Film Noir tradition. The > soundtrack, by > Tangerine Dream, is considered their best. The synthesiser > captures the > hopelessness of the story. Our guest, Johannes Schoelling, > joined > Tangerine Dream in 1979. He will share his memories of the > collaboration > with Michael Mann and Edgar Froese. > > Sorry for the wrong date I've posted some weeks ago! > Andreas From: rubyconist@y... Date: Tue Nov 6, 2001 8:16 am Subject: Raven bits in Klemania? (was Re: The London Concert) --- In tadream@y..., tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > Really? The techno-like bit that makes up the first track on _Klemania_ > also appeared in the finale of the first season of Babylon5, at the New > Year's Eve party when Garibaldi was shot. > > Gabe No, techno-like bit isn't the same part that appeared in B5-episode Chrysalis. It appeares in Babylon 5 Volume 1, track 6. Check it out and compare. Regards, TheInfection Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29971 Raven bits in Klemania? (was Re: The London Conce goozer@a... Tue 11/6/2001 2 KB 29975 Raven bits in Klemania? (was Re: The London Conce rubyconist@y... Wed 11/7/2001 2 KB From: rubyconist@y... Date: Tue Nov 6, 2001 8:23 am Subject: Re: TDI guestbook --- In tadream@y..., 'Adele Outland' wrote: > Maybe, hopefully, they are merely finding a way to archive it? perhaps it > takes up too much space on the web site? and nobody goes back and reads the > middle 150 or so pages anyway? I'll miss it if it is gone for good. I made > several terrific fan contacts that way. 8-/ Dell That's why we have real message boards and posting lists. TD has said that they do not care what people thinks about them or their music. The webmasters of TD's site said that they do not want message board, they only want guest book. So, this is the result. (I am sorry to say, that I've posted few messages there as well.) Regards, TheInfection From: goozer@a... Date: Tue Nov 6, 2001 2:26 pm Subject: Raven bits in Klemania? (was Re: The London Concert) Sorry, Infection, but Gabe is correct. The 'KLF Section' of _Klemania_ /was/ used in the episode 'Chrysalis' during the scene he describes. Forget the episodic disc and look at the episode itself. goozer --- In tadream@y..., rubyconist@y... wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > Really? The techno-like bit that makes up the first track on > _Klemania_ > > also appeared in the finale of the first season of Babylon5, at the > New > > Year's Eve party when Garibaldi was shot. > > > > Gabe > > No, techno-like bit isn't the same part that appeared in B5-episode > Chrysalis. It appeares in Babylon 5 Volume 1, track 6. Check it out > and compare. > > Regards, > TheInfection Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29975 Raven bits in Klemania? (was Re: The London Conce rubyconist@y... Wed 11/7/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Nov 7, 2001 12:50 am Subject: elektrobeats 10.10.2001 inferno??? Did anyone tape the inferno tracks that were played on the 10.10.01 radio eins elektro beats show? --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Wed Nov 7, 2001 1:57 am Subject: New CD Now discount coupon! Hi all. You might like to know that a new 15% off discount coupon is available at CD Now (minimum purchase 9.99 bucks, expires november 19). Go out and purchase your birthday gifts early! :-) URL is: http://cdnow.com/from=sr-3836499:c0034e -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'A parent is a person who will tell you to find yourself and also to get lost.' - Alfred E. Neuman From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Nov 7, 2001 8:11 am Subject: Re: Bernau Fantasy Hi Vic, nice pics. Too bad I couldn't be there. Why I write: I discovered your link to my TD page. You say A.T. from UK. Hm. I am actually german and live in Ireland. Why don't you just write 'A.T. from Europe'. ;-) a. --- In tadream@y..., Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > > I have just posted a some various photos from my Bernau trip. > > Take a look if you are interested at: > > Some nice pictures of a great concert, thanks Vic. From: rubyconist@y... Date: Wed Nov 7, 2001 10:24 am Subject: Raven bits in Klemania? (was Re: The London Concert) --- In tadream@y..., goozer@a... wrote: > Sorry, Infection, but Gabe is correct. The 'KLF Section' of _Klemania_ /was/ used in the episode 'Chrysalis' during the scene he > describes. Forget the episodic disc and look at the episode itself. > > goozer Yes, I was thinking the other scene. I relized just after I posted my reply that there is a new years party going on. My mistake. Now I must hurry and watch Chrysalis again. Regards, TheInfection From: 'coldwatercanyon' Date: Wed Nov 7, 2001 3:17 pm Subject: Memorabilia Wanted Hello all I am looking for the following: TD Warsaw 2001 concert poster TD Bernau 2001 1st show concert ticket Original backstage pass of both events Also just in case any spare 2001/2 tour ticket is available I am interested too. If you can offer any of the above, pls contact me off-list. All the best Jeffrey From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Nov 7, 2001 1:53 pm Subject: www.caby.de is moving Hi all, I'm changing the provider for my website and domain, www.caby.de This will happen sometime during the next two weeks, most probably when I'm away on a business trip... So, if you can't reach my page for a day or two, don't panic, don't delete it from your bookmarks/favourites and links pages. It will be back up at a new, bigger (and cheaper ;-) place very soon. cheers, klaus From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Nov 8, 2001 12:43 am Subject: TD 1/27/02 uncasville CT free show Pollstar is reporting that TD will play Uncasville Connecticut's mohegan sun casino on 1/27/02. They'll play the casino's s 300 seat wolf den. All shows at the wolf den are free. CAVEAT: Since this is an Indian casino, don't expect any alcohol to be served.... --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Nov 8, 2001 12:46 am Subject: re 1/27/02 >CAVEAT: Since this is an Indian casino, don't expect any alcohol to be >served.... Erratum: They have a brewpub on-site, so they definitely serve beer somewhere.... --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From: webmaster@j... Date: Thu Nov 8, 2001 11:51 am Subject: Johannes Schmoeling in Braunschweig Was anybody in Braunschweig yesterday when Johannes Schmoelling was talking about TD working on soundtrack music? Would be very interested in photographs to be released on the Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website! Andreas Hedler webmaster@j... From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 4:19 am Subject: The Story of Tangerine Dream Greetings All! I have an extra copy of this rare 2 cd compilation available for trade if anyone is interested. Thanks! Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 1:14 pm Subject: Schmoelling at the Braunschweig Film Festival Hello, > From: webmaster@j... > Is there anybody outthere... > ...who was at the Braunschweig filmfest when Johannes > Schmoelling joined to talk about TD working on soundtrack > music? Siggi Lindhorst took the chance to see Johannes Schmoelling after the 'Thief' performance at the Film Fetsival in Braunschweig (Germany, near Hannover) on Wednesday evening. He reported: --- After the show in the 'Cinemaxx', Johannes came up in front of the spectators and a talkmaster asked him some questions about the film and about TD's soundtrack work. Unfortunately, there was only few time for that because the next film should start soon after 'Thief', but Johannes and a handful of enthusiasts went on to a pub and to continue the discussion there in a less official mood. Johannes described his feelings towards the film as 'strange' after so many years - at least 20 years have passed since 'Thief' was released. He surprised the audience when he said that he saw the film for the first time in cinema format; he only remembered the video/cutting cassette which TD had used for the soundtrack production back in 1981 and that he saw the film once on TV several years later. For 'Thief' and some other productions of that period, Johannes said that he was the one who did most of the melodies and structures, while Edgar turned out to be more the man for the 'soundscapes.' Johannes said 'Klangmaler' which means something like 'painter with sounds.' According to him, Chris Frankes part were mostly the drum patterns. Johannes admitted that he was quite surprised by the final track playing during the credit notes: 'I did not have that in mind any more', he said. The reason is that this music - titled 'Confrontation' - in fact was not produced by TD but by Craig Safan and was added to TD's soundtrack later. Record collectors know that the track appears on some 'Thief' LP releases in certain countries, but not on all. About his future plans Johannes said that he is going to establish an own record label. He said he has ideas for some releases not only of new, but also of some older material which he has composed for theater plays - his main field - and TV scores since he left TD. --- Greetings and cheers, Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29983 Re: Schmoelling at the Braunschweig Film Festival Heiko Heerssen Fri 11/9/2001 3 KB 29984 Re: Schmoelling at the Braunschweig Film Festival Paul Lawler Fri 11/9/2001 3 KB 29985 Re: Schmoelling at the Braunschweig Film Festival webmaster@j... Fri 11/9/2001 4 KB 29986 Re: Schmoelling at the Braunschweig Film Festival Michael Jean Fri 11/9/2001 4 KB 29987 Re: Schmoelling at the Braunschweig Film Festival Paul Lawler Fri 11/9/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 1:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling at the Braunschweig Film Festival > For 'Thief' and some other productions of that period, Johannes said that he was > the one who did most of the melodies and structures, while Edgar turned out to > be more the man for the 'soundscapes.' Johannes said 'Klangmaler' which means > something like 'painter with sounds.' According to him, Chris Frankes part were > mostly the drum patterns. I realize what an important figure Johannes Schmoelling was back in the early 80s. I very much like the soundtrack work up to Legend, but after Johannes left Tangerine Dream the soundtrack music got more and more uninspiring. Not that it was bad but it missed some gems like 'Charly the kid', 'Crystal voice', or stuff from 'The Soldier' (the list could go on and on ;-) Edgar once said (in an interview from Nov.1982) that Johannes was also the main creative force behind 'Mojave plan', and that he composed about 3/4 of the whole track. Heiko From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling at the Braunschweig Film Festival > > For 'Thief' and some other productions of that period, Johannes said that he was > the one who did most of the melodies and structures, while Edgar turned out to > be more the man for the 'soundscapes.' Johannes said 'Klangmaler' which means > something like 'painter with sounds.' According to him, Chris Frankes part were > mostly the drum patterns. This has really surprised me as JS was mostly credited last in line during his time with TD with either Franke or Froese 1st . I suppose it shows why JS is the only one of the 3 to have written decent solo albums since . Paul > > Johannes admitted that he was quite surprised by the final track playing during > the credit notes: 'I did not have that in mind any more', he said. The reason > is that this music - titled 'Confrontation' - in fact was not produced by TD but > by Craig Safan and was added to TD's soundtrack later. Record collectors know > that the track appears on some 'Thief' LP releases in certain countries, but not > on all. > > About his future plans Johannes said that he is going to establish an own record > label. He said he has ideas for some releases not only of new, but also of some > older material which he has composed for theater plays - his main field - and TV > scores since he left TD. > > --- > > Greetings and cheers, > Peter > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: webmaster@j... Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 1:33 pm Subject: Re: Schmoelling at the Braunschweig Film Festival Thanx for that really comprehensive report! Now there are only some pictures missing.... Andreas Hedler --- In tadream@y..., peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: > Hello, > > > From: webmaster@j... > > Is there anybody outthere... > > ...who was at the Braunschweig filmfest when Johannes > > Schmoelling joined to talk about TD working on soundtrack > > music? > > Siggi Lindhorst took the chance to see Johannes Schmoelling after the 'Thief' > performance at the Film Fetsival in Braunschweig (Germany, near Hannover) on > Wednesday evening. He reported: > > --- > > After the show in the 'Cinemaxx', Johannes came up in front of the spectators > and a talkmaster asked him some questions about the film and about TD's > soundtrack work. Unfortunately, there was only few time for that because the > next film should start soon after 'Thief', but Johannes and a handful of > enthusiasts went on to a pub and to continue the discussion there in a less > official mood. > > Johannes described his feelings towards the film as 'strange' after so many > years - at least 20 years have passed since 'Thief' was released. He surprised > the audience when he said that he saw the film for the first time in cinema > format; he only remembered the video/cutting cassette which TD had used for the > soundtrack production back in 1981 and that he saw the film once on TV several > years later. > > For 'Thief' and some other productions of that period, Johannes said that he was > the one who did most of the melodies and structures, while Edgar turned out to > be more the man for the 'soundscapes.' Johannes said 'Klangmaler' which means > something like 'painter with sounds.' According to him, Chris Frankes part were > mostly the drum patterns. > > Johannes admitted that he was quite surprised by the final track playing during > the credit notes: 'I did not have that in mind any more', he said. The reason > is that this music - titled 'Confrontation' - in fact was not produced by TD but > by Craig Safan and was added to TD's soundtrack later. Record collectors know > that the track appears on some 'Thief' LP releases in certain countries, but not > on all. > > About his future plans Johannes said that he is going to establish an own record > label. He said he has ideas for some releases not only of new, but also of some > older material which he has composed for theater plays - his main field - and TV > scores since he left TD. > > --- > > Greetings and cheers, > Peter From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling at the Braunschweig Film Festival PErhaps it was simply alphabetical order, rather than % of composition....But then again I don;t know the music publisher or union's rules... >>> lawlermusic@s... 11/09/01 08:31AM >>> > > For 'Thief' and some other productions of that period, Johannes said that he was > the one who did most of the melodies and structures, while Edgar turned out to > be more the man for the 'soundscapes.' Johannes said 'Klangmaler' which means > something like 'painter with sounds.' According to him, Chris Frankes part were > mostly the drum patterns. This has really surprised me as JS was mostly credited last in line during his time with TD with either Franke or Froese 1st . I suppose it shows why JS is the only one of the 3 to have written decent solo albums since . Paul > > Johannes admitted that he was quite surprised by the final track playing during > the credit notes: 'I did not have that in mind any more', he said. The reason > is that this music - titled 'Confrontation' - in fact was not produced by TD but > by Craig Safan and was added to TD's soundtrack later. Record collectors know > that the track appears on some 'Thief' LP releases in certain countries, but not > on all. > > About his future plans Johannes said that he is going to establish an own record > label. He said he has ideas for some releases not only of new, but also of some > older material which he has composed for theater plays - his main field - and TV > scores since he left TD. > > --- > > Greetings and cheers, > Peter > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 2:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling at the Braunschweig Film Festival ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Jean To: Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling at the Braunschweig Film Festival > PErhaps it was simply alphabetical order, rather than % of composition....But then again I don;t know the music publisher or union's rules... > Apart from when Schmoelling gets 2nd in the pecking order ;) i think they used to write the credits in accordance with who did what in a track . You see it all the time, more so in the Haslinger years . Paul From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 9:49 pm Subject: Inferno I just heard the 2 'preview' tracks from Inferno and I must say that I found them to be truly fascinating. I look forward to what will surely be a challenging listening experience! Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 9:53 pm Subject: The Bridge Song - Warsaw 2001 Has anyone done a rough translation of this tune? Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution, Room 821 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: PENFOLD Date: Sat Nov 10, 2001 12:18 am Subject: Tangents @ Amazon.com 'Tangents: 1973-1983 [BOX SET]' Tangerine Dream Our price: $55.07 | You save: $2.90 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000000W6P/ref=mk_del_ Pete Isaacson aka DJ Dreamhead mailto:penfold@a... Saw 'The Keep' LP in Tower Records in '84, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....Damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29993 Re: Tangents @ Amazon.com Antonio Nunes Sat 11/10/2001 2 KB From: rubyconist@y... Date: Sat Nov 10, 2001 9:50 am Subject: White Eagle Few toughts about WE... Mojave Plan is wonderful composition (not to mention its 15+ long :-) It's truly a fun listening experience, if I may say. Midnight In Tula is cool and groovy. It's the best tracks along side with the Mojave Plan. (I know that you might have something to say about this, but I don't care!) Convention At 24 isn't much. Reminds me of Volcano (from Tangents Box), so I quess this is Edgars job. Dull. Few sounds reminds me of Green Desert, tough. White Eagle is soothing and calm. Nice track. Regards, TheInfection Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30102 Re: White Eagle Armin Theissen Wed 11/14/2001 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Nov 10, 2001 11:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] White Eagle / Sorcerer >Few toughts about WE... > Guess you just bought it? >Mojave Plan is wonderful composition (not to mention its 15+ long :-) >It's truly a fun listening experience, if I may say. > I somewhat dislike the spooky intro... it doesn't fit in, if you understand what I mean. The 1st main section is fun IMHO as well, and I still think it's somewhat similar to the first half of Poland. The 2nd section is a bit lamer, and I don't know why, but I associate it with Jarre's Calypso Part 2... The final is great, especially the beginning of it. >Midnight In Tula is cool and groovy. It's the best tracks along side >with the Mojave Plan. (I know that you might have something to say >about this, but I don't care!) > --- >Convention At 24 isn't much. Reminds me of Volcano (from Tangents >Box), so I quess this is Edgars job. Dull. Few sounds reminds me of >Green Desert, tough. > It's good sequencing, but not much more. Kinda like Coldwater Canyon. Green Desert? Which piece from it? You mean the title track? ...I say we need a good notation to tell whether someone is referring to an album or its title track. How about using a ' after albums' names? eg. Rockoon', Phaedra', Hyperborea' >White Eagle is soothing and calm. Nice track. > Very skyish, but wayyy too short! And wow, it must be the most leafy track I know. It has about a dozen different instruments playing at the best... Hmm... let's see. -2 plink-plonk thingys -two-layered humming -2 bass sequences -drumbeat -te-te-te -noises -basic melody -the whispering Yep, it is at least 12. >Regards, >TheInfection Here we go again... I just got Sorcerer - I'm wondering what's the actual movie like. Like, what's the point of the whole thing? I know so far that it has a truck with a nitroglycerine(or something) load, and it's going through jungle, but so? I was a bit disappointed by the slowness and simplyness of the overall rhytm, but it's not that bad... My favorites are Search, Vengeance, (side note: there's 'vengeance', 'revenge' and 'avenge' but just what does that 'venge' itself mean?) Grind, and Betrayal. Main Title and Abyss are unpleasant, but the others are OK. Also, it says that the original disk was 90 minutes. The outro of Rain Forest would pretty nicely adjoin to the intro in Cherokee Lane; could that one have actually been on the fuller version? (instead of simply being improvised by existing voices) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30002 Re: White Eagle / Sorcerer rubyconist@y... Sun 11/11/2001 4 KB From: 'Antonio Nunes' Date: Sat Nov 10, 2001 2:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangents @ Amazon.com PENFOLD wrote: > > 'Tangents: 1973-1983 [BOX SET]' > Tangerine Dream > Our price: $55.07 | You save: $2.90 > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000000W6P/ref=mk_del_ You save more at CD Universe, as they are selling 'Tangents' for $46.97 http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=1020419&style=music Antonio Net From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat Nov 10, 2001 6:41 pm Subject: Re: Sorcerer In a message dated 11/10/01 6:47:25 AM, johnvertical@h... writes: >I just got Sorcerer - I'm wondering what's the actual movie like. Like, >what's the point of the whole thing? I know so far that it has a truck >with a nitroglycerine(or something) load, and it's going through jungle, but >so? That's the basic idea. These four guys have to drive two trucks full of nitroglycerine along a treacherous jungle 'road' (as I recall, the nitroglycerine is needed to put out an oil fire). It's very tense. I thought it was a pretty good movie. I definitely liked it better than Thief. --Daniel NP: Project Pitchfork--Daimonion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30103 Re: Sorcerer Armin Theissen Wed 11/14/2001 3 KB From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Sat Nov 10, 2001 11:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 6:41 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > In a message dated 11/10/01 6:47:25 AM, johnvertical@h... writes: > > >I just got Sorcerer - I'm wondering what's the actual movie like. Like, This is the Movie responsible for getting me hooked on Tangerine Dream , before this I had never heard of them , Brilliant film , brilliant sound track . Regards TDUK . Carl . ICQ 97068019 From: ohmss761@c... Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 1:45 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer Same here....Sorcerer is the album that got me hooked on TD....I was(and still am) heavily into film scores and soundtrack albums at the time, and picked up the old MCA cassette (which didn't even list any tracks on the outer card!) for $10 at Tower Records. 'The Call' is still a favorite cue, great sad guitar by Froese. I posted this before, but Friedkin used very little of the score in the film, editing some cues and dumping others alltogether in favor of silence. The 'Creation' sequence, when the trucks are getting set up, and the nitro being transported now plays, quite nakedly, without the tense cue TD wrote. And yet he claimed to love TD's work! I hope the mystery of the 90min. tape that the director received is cleared up someday....I'd love to heard what else was written for the film. Best, Sean [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30000 Re: Sorcerer Jim Moore Sun 11/11/2001 2 KB 30005 Favourite Music other than TD Richard Stevens Sun 11/11/2001 2 KB 30007 Re: Favourite Music other than TD Steve Sun 11/11/2001 2 KB 30009 Favourite Music other than TD Kevin Robert Ball Sun 11/11/2001 3 KB 30012 Re: Favourite Music other than TD Deb H-J Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB 30010 Re: Favourite Music other than TD Jim Moore Sun 11/11/2001 2 KB 30017 Re: Favourite Music other than TD sean@t... Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB 30020 Re: Favourite Music other than TD PENFOLD Mon 11/12/2001 3 KB 30022 Re: Favourite Music other than TD rubyconist@y... Mon 11/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 3:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer Thief was better in my books. Either sound tracks are excellent. Sorcerer, in the begining you can see how these folks who are driving the trucks get that way. How they all came together. If you missed the beginning you miss a big part of the film. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 10:41 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer > In a message dated 11/10/01 6:47:25 AM, johnvertical@h... writes: > > >I just got Sorcerer - I'm wondering what's the actual movie like. Like, > >what's the point of the whole thing? I know so far that it has a truck > >with a nitroglycerine(or something) load, and it's going through jungle, but > >so? > > That's the basic idea. These four guys have to drive two trucks full of > nitroglycerine along a treacherous jungle 'road' (as I recall, the > nitroglycerine is needed to put out an oil fire). It's very tense. > > I thought it was a pretty good movie. I definitely liked it better than Thief. > > --Daniel > NP: Project Pitchfork--Daimonion > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Want to discuss a specific Album, concert or bootleg? Go to http://www.tadream.net under 'Music Reviews' for instructions! > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 9:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer >Thief was better in my books. Either sound tracks are excellent. Sorcerer, >in the begining you can see how these folks who are driving the trucks get >that way. How they all came together. If you missed the beginning you miss >a >big part of the film. > Oh, and one more question: what does the 'sorcerer' stand for? Some indian voodoo magician who sends curses on the operation? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30001 Re: Sorcerer Jim Moore Sun 11/11/2001 2 KB From: roffe82@y... Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 9:30 am Subject: Parisian Dreams Cd? Like to bay this exelent Concert on CD. Any one who can help me to find´it. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30040 Re: Parisian Dreams Cd? Joe Shoults Mon 11/12/2001 3 KB 30041 Re: Parisian Dreams Cd? Michael Jean Mon 11/12/2001 3 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 3:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Sorcerer >From: ohmss761@c... [mailto:ohmss761@c...] > The 'Creation' sequence, when the trucks are >getting set up, and the nitro being transported now plays, quite nakedly, >without the tense cue TD wrote. And yet he claimed to love TD's work! My DVD has the truck-building scene complete with the 'Creation' theme -- it's my favorite scene from the movie! - jim