From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:47 am Subject: I Box Wow! This little set has generated a lot of conversation...I figure that I might as well join the fray...In short, I think it is a good deal for the price. The CDs have a generous running time. Yes there are numerous tracks that appeared on prior discs, but there are several that have not. Some are quite nice, like the more romantic sounding Unicorn Theme, and a track credited to Ralf Wadephul. It is hard to say what the exact origins of the live tracks are. However TD DID tour in support of Optical Race, Lily on the Beach and Melrose (which are the albums most of the live songs are from). As for audience noise, I personally prefer NOT to hear it. Given that much of the sound could be recorded direct to digital, why make use of exterior microphones that would result in inferior sound? It may also be a fore shadowing of TDI's eventual release of these three discs (which I don't think has happened yet). As for pondering whether they are studio creations or not... Who is to say exactly what constitutes 'live'? Does it have to be a major concert in front of a large audience? If you visited TD's studio while they were recording a tune, and played it right in front of you, and made a tape just for you, is that 'live'? I would say 'yes'! An artist playing in real time, is a live recording, regardless of the size of the audience. Take LIVEMILES for example... People say it is different from the concert performed in New Mexico, and therefore it isn't really live. Well, what if they DID perform it in New Mexico as a rehearsal before the show? Isn't it still live? Who knows? I am starting to bore myself...haha! As for the missing classic 70s material, I suspect the is one simple reason. TDI probably doesn't own the rights to the music;ie. VIRGIN does. I have spent just as much on three other highly anticipated, very short, and very disappointing CDs by Sade, Enya, and Madonna. In the case of ENYA we waited 5 years for a disc with a running time of less than 35 minutes! MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25650 Re: I Box Sean Montgomery Fri 1/12/2001 3 KB 25651 Re: I Box Feldon Feldon Fri 1/12/2001 4 KB 25655 Re: I Box Greg Sat 1/13/2001 5 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 9:59 pm Subject: Re: i-box >The booklet is indeed very very good, even better than the >Dream Roots Collection booklet. Lots of photos I haven't seen >yet. Similar effect as 20 years ago with the TD 70-80 4LP set. Armin, I agree with you as far as the selection of photos is concerned. But, man, the postage-stamp size of these pictures. And the miniscule white text on black background - headache guaranteed. Not entirely TDs fault, but they shouldn't just design a great LP-size booklet and then reduce it to CD size. Sure makes me wish the industry had selected the 12' laserdisk as the format for the CD, so that we could still have decent LP-size covers, booklets, pictures etc... Well, guess that just makes me a whiny old geezer ;-) cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25644 Re: i-box Joel S. Mullen Fri 1/12/2001 3 KB 25674 Re: i-box Armin Theissen Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB 25678 Re: i-box Frank Arellano Mon 1/15/2001 4 KB From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 3:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: i-box On Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:00 PM, Klaus Beschorner [SMTP:klaus@c...] wrote: > Sure makes me wish the industry had selected the 12' laserdisk > as the format for the CD, so that we could still have decent > LP-size covers, booklets, pictures etc... > That would make for one heck of a big hole in the dash of my car! Just imagine what a 5 disc changer would look like. It would be as big as a bed! Or imagine a room-sized Sony 400 disc changer that weighs 3000 lbs when fully loaded...... Nahhhh I think I will just hold the CD booklet a little closer to my eyes when I look at it. But I suppose using that same logic sitting 2 feet away from my 27' TV would be the same as owning a big-screen. ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25674 Re: i-box Armin Theissen Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB From: joes@f... Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:02 pm Subject: Re: live albums --- In tadream@egroups.com, Chris Richards wrote: > You think it's wrong for bands to use more than > one concert when preparing a live album? I don't no- it's not 'wrong'; I was just commenting on the fact that 'live' doesn't necessarily mean unadulterated and from only one concert. > on Space Ritual, and the Grateful Dead did it on > virtually all over their live albums. So long as Grateful Dead's 'Dick's Picks' series is unadulterated, single concerts, AFAIK From: Tom Richmond Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:02 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales CDR project Hello dreamers: This is the first call for participation in the 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' CDR tree. There are two levels of participation: Branch: one who is able (and willing) to make copies for others Leaf: one who wishes a copy, but is unable to make copies To sign up please send an email with the following information: Name Address City, State, Country email address (if different from where you're sending from) Branch or Leaf status - if you're signing up as a branch, please note how many copies you are willing and able to make to tmrtree@h... Please use this address for all correspondence regarding this project. While I can be reached at the address Yannick noted, I don't think the network administrators would appreciate the additional non-work-related volume on their server. It will be the responsibility of branches and leaves to arrange a trade that is acceptable to both parties. Branches please note that 'blanks plus return postage' MUST be an option. Not everyone has a lot to trade and we want to include everyone who's interested. I'll be accepting sign-ups for about two weeks. After all sign-ups are in (I'll post a reminder or two...) I'll be organizing two trees, one for North America and one for Europe. If you're not in either area, sign up anyway, we'll make sure you're taken care of. Any questions, email me at the above address. Cheers everybody! P.S. Special thanks to Yannick, Joe and anyone else involved with making this project a reality! ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful.. From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 3:39 pm Subject: RE: Track credits Hartopp wrote: >Certainly, during the CF years, no matter who composed what track on >each album, it was always given a group credit, only sometimes the order >of composer would differ Notably on the 70-80 box. Certainly one of the most interesting examples of what each of the members of the classic lineup contibuted with to the overall sound-picture. There is the unmistakable Froese track with guitarr, the rhytmic piece of Francke and the lovely short Baumann track which is as good a proof as any of what his sense of melody meant to TD. /Olle From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES It's at this point I wish that the track I submitted was a lot better! Thank you to everyone involved in putting this thing together, it's shaping up to be very interesting indeed. On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, you wrote: > Hello everyone on the List > > First happy new year 2001. The new Millenium will see the CDR project now > titled 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' ... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25649 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Richard Fri 1/12/2001 3 KB From: Richard Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 6:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES In message <01011216442003.08910@z...>, Matthew Stringer writes >It's at this point I wish that the track I submitted was a lot better! I have the same feeling about mine. -- Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 6:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I Box Michael A Jean wrote: > As for audience noise, I personally prefer NOT to hear it. True enough. The whole reason why so many fans want TD to release live material in the first place is because bootleg recordings have an *abundance* of crowd noise. Coughing, talking, whooping and hollering. But the whole point of putting out a live album is to a) give fans who couldn't make it to the show an idea of what they missed...and b) to give fans who were there a document of the experience. Consequently, a track like 'Dreamyard' fails on both counts. And yes, so does Livemiles. But at least Livemiles featured previously-unreleased music (and good music at that). Repackaging already available studio recordings, and suckering fans into buying them by calling them 'live' is just shameless. Look, TD obviously knows that live tapes of their shows are in the fan community, so why do they expect to fool people? > As for pondering whether they are studio creations or not... Who is to say > exactly what constitutes 'live'? Does it have to be a major concert in > front of a large audience? If you visited TD's studio while they were > recording a tune, and played it right in front of you, and made a tape just > for you, is that 'live'? Now you're sounding like a lawyer, Mr. Jean. Should we start calling Mars Polaris, Stratofear and Le Parc 'live' albums? -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I Box >From: 'Michael A Jean' > >It is hard to say what the exact origins of the live tracks are. Well, members on the list who have commented so far have heard pretty much every live concert either in person or on tape during the years inclusive in i-Box. So except for the 'studio live' which you mention, these tracks can't be considered truly live except for a few tracks such as Longing for Cashba (I've got the 1990 tape it's from and I can say it's for real). >As for audience noise, I >personally prefer NOT to hear it. Given that much of the sound could be >recorded direct to digital, why make use of exterior microphones that would >result in inferior sound? That's funny. I've always found myself enjoying the ambience of these concert halls and and audience noise. While most of the tapes I have could be in a lot clearer shape, I don't think there is a major hit by audience noise being allowed to overlap the music, even for the first 30 seconds or so. And I have to tell you, EVERY track from Exit that has been performed live has been so much more interesting than the album versions it's unreal. >Take LIVEMILES for example... People say it is different from the concert >performed in New Mexico, and therefore it isn't really live. Well, what if >they DID perform it in New Mexico as a rehearsal before the show? Well that's the joke. They must have had an unbelieveable 35 minute rehearsal, playing 1 song that wouldn't be played live DURING a concert until 1988, and another song that never got played live. And also, track 3 of the Alberquerque was never played that at that speed, and always led into the 1986 Logos-Blue rewrite. So it could be POSSIBLE that it was played that night. The bottom line is anyone who attended that concert and then bought the CD didn't have 1 nanosecond of their memories of the concert etched on the CD. And the Spanish introduction was just an insult. I wonder how much they paid someone to act up that part. And I agree with the comments about Edgar dodging Chris Franke tracks in a prior post. It'll take a lot to disprove this theory with me. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 7:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES I'll bet you anything that this is exactly what Edgar thinks when he pulls out those dusty ole tapes... ;) j.gordon --- Richard wrote: > In message <01011216442003.08910@z...>, Matthew Stringer > writes > >It's at this point I wish that the track I submitted was a lot better! > > I have the same feeling about mine. > -- > Richard > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25653 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Richard Fri 1/12/2001 3 KB From: Richard Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 9:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES In message <20010112195606.6632.qmail@w...>, j.gordon writes >I'll bet you anything that this is exactly what Edgar thinks when he pulls out >those dusty ole tapes... ;) I'm sorry, but that made me laugh. -- Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 3:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES It's probably true though :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Richard' To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES > In message <20010112195606.6632.qmail@w...>, j.gordon > writes > >I'll bet you anything that this is exactly what Edgar thinks when he pulls out > >those dusty ole tapes... ;) > > I'm sorry, but that made me laugh. > -- > Richard > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I Box ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Michael A Jean' To: 'Tadreamonelist' Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 9:47 PM Subject: [tadream] I Box > As for pondering whether they are studio creations or not... Who is to say > exactly what constitutes 'live'? Does it have to be a major concert in > front of a large audience? If you visited TD's studio while they were > recording a tune, and played it right in front of you, and made a tape just > for you, is that 'live'? I would say 'yes'! An artist playing in real time, > is a live recording, regardless of the size of the audience. > MJ I have to disagree.. studio albums are often recorded in tracks.. mixed.. messed with.. etc. There is only so much three (or two) people can do at any one given time.. *if* they don't have giga-samplers with their own pre-recorded tunes ready to be mixed. Now we can draw the line between when TD actually played concerts and just hit play in more modern concerts. Without a doubt I think TD could perform 'live' a studio track today exactly as its studio original.. but with use of numerous hard drives, samplers and MIDI. But if we are talking about a performance 13 or 14 years ago, we have to look at the characteristics of the band, did they play exactly like the studio material? What about concert tapes - do live versions of material exist that sound exactly studio original? Did they have technology that allowed for studio sound duplication? Was the material created for or designed to be properly performed in a way that would match the studio creation? The thing I'm getting at here is the inevitability that one will call studio work live simply because it's electronic music - digital music thus being performed everywhere live by those who have the digital duplicates. The band can appear, make themselves look busy, but push out the same exact tune on the CD you just bought 5 months before. In all honesty, I think that's why electronic music isn't so huge in America, people like performance, shows, variety.. they are huge quick-gratification freaks (I know, I live here!). TD hasn't slumped that low of yet.. as long as they have the guitar, there will be some variation. Also they usually add some 'live texture' to the music with some MIDI percussion and sound effects. Live used to ultimately refer to an artist who can perform music in front of an audience in such a way that it is entertaining and shows the talent of the artist. Bit it also creates a pressure situation on the artist, sometimes causing errors in playing. About the only problems TD has these days is blown speakers, technical problems, and power outages. Live music used to take away that studio polish.. and this polish is what I still hear in the so called 'live' versions of those tracks on the iBox. The day we pay to hear TD CDs at a TD concert just for the big sound system is the day I think I'll give up on the band. You can only stretch what the word live means so far. Greg H. NP: i-Mac.. oops.. I mean i-Box AKA (a Microsoft PC) heh From: keri.ford@p... Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 8:42 pm Subject: Hi There, I was surfing the net for Tangerine Dream album reviews and finding very little when I came across this discussion group which I thought might be able to help me. I first got into Tangerine Dream ages ago listenning to my brothers copy of Phaedra, subsegquently I got Rubycon, Ricochet, Tangram, 70-80 & Zeit. These were all on vinyl. This was music from outer space from the distant reaches of the mind, reaching down into the heart of the creative nature to return with strange jewel like dreams beautiful beyond ones wildest hopes. Now after some years I'm rediscovering this band trying to decide what to buy etc, so if you can give me some overview that would be much appreciated. I have recently got Hyperborea, Oasis (Soundtrack), Tyger (which I just had to get as I also greatly admire William Blake, although I find the pronunciation of the River Thames very funny) & Atem. In a shop handy to me there are copies of Optical Race, Le Parc, The Hollywood Years, Underwater Sunlight, Green Desert, Alpha Centauri, The Dream Mixes I & Electronic Meditations. What would people recommend, I would like representative works from all the different periods of the Dream. If anyone can point me to a site of good comprehensive online TD reviews that would be great too. Ciao Borris From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 8:41 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Tangerine Dream story Hi all, Well, Heiko Heerssen and myself have at last finished a readable version of that very long 28 page biography which you have all been dying to see, it's at the following address under the 'Aktuelle' button: http://www.germanrock.de/ And they very generously offered us both a CD for our trouble! Paul From: keri.ford@p... Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 8:44 pm Subject: Newbie wanting TD reviews Hi There, I was surfing the net for Tangerine Dream album reviews and finding very little when I came across this discussion group which I thought might be able to help me. I first got into Tangerine Dream ages ago listenning to my brothers copy of Phaedra, subsegquently I got Rubycon, Ricochet, Tangram, 70-80 & Zeit. These were all on vinyl. This was music from outer space from the distant reaches of the mind, reaching down into the heart of the creative nature to return with strange jewel like dreams beautiful beyond ones wildest hopes. Now after some years I'm rediscovering this band trying to decide what to buy etc, so if you can give me some overview that would be much appreciated. I have recently got Hyperborea, Oasis (Soundtrack), Tyger (which I just had to get as I also greatly admire William Blake, although I find the pronunciation of the River Thames very funny) & Atem. In a shop handy to me there are copies of Optical Race, Le Parc, The Hollywood Years, Underwater Sunlight, Green Desert, Alpha Centauri, The Dream Mixes I & Electronic Meditations. What would people recommend, I would like representative works from all the different periods of the Dream. If anyone could point me to a good comprehensive site for online TD reviews that would be great. Ciao Borris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25662 Re: Newbie wanting TD reviews Gustavo Jobim Mon 1/15/2001 4 KB 25664 Re: Newbie wanting TD reviews Jared White Mon 1/15/2001 5 KB 25680 Re: Newbie wanting TD reviews Frank Arellano Tue 1/16/2001 5 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 9:05 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] I Box Hi all, A lot of people seem to think that they are being cheated with the album 'LiveMiles' because it's nothing like the original live concert. Well, here's why: Regarding 'LiveMiles' it has to be said however that contrary to the bootleg recording it does not correspond to the original concert in Berlin. For legal reasons Tangerine Dream could not release the whole concert, but had to cut out some sections due to legal reasons. As Edgar explained in a 1989 interview: 'not only unreleased material was played during the live concerts. As we often do, things were also played which appeared as parts of official releases. Music which sometimes has been locked away in the safes of the film production companies, partially on records, which are difficult to obtain, etc. For the release of LiveMiles we had to use certain sequences and sections which were legally available to us. We had to make a lot of compromises. In this case we were particularly sad about it because there was so much atmosphere here which we wanted to put on record. But we had to cut bits out, change sequences and do remixes in order to remain within the legal framework.' There's your answer, and hopefully the peasants will be a bit less revolting as a result (we can always live in hope, anyway)! By the way, I think it's a great album on its own merit, I don't care how it was made or where it came from, it's already pretty impressive considering it was 'patched together' at a later date... Paul From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 11:13 pm Subject: TD albums Borris should get I've just recently started getting into TD again bigtime after first being introduced to them years ago. I am mainly a fan of their older stuff, so I would recommend going to that shop and getting Green Desert asap. Other must-haves (IMO) not on your list are Poland (1984), Logos (1982) and Stratosfear (1976). mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 10:41 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Hey, I have a website with electronic music reviews, including TD. Some may call them 'alternative' reviews..... Due to some people here being pissed of at me (not that I care) I wont 'spam' the list with the URL again but contact me in private if you want to know, Borris (or was it Keri?) glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25666 SV: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Glenn Folkvord Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 4:02 am Subject: Re: Newbie wanting TD reviews > From: keri.ford@p... >In a shop handy to me >there are copies of Optical Race, Le Parc, The Hollywood Years, >Underwater Sunlight, Green Desert, Alpha Centauri, The Dream >Mixes I & Electronic Meditations. What would people >recommend, I would like representative works from all the >different periods of the Dream. From the first years (70-73), you already have a good album, which is Zeit. Many people hate it but I like it a lot, because it's a fantastic space-ambient album. I rarely play it though. Alpha Centauri is the best album from that period, with the best track from that period which is the second one, Fly And Collision of Comas Sola. Franke's drumming is very good in there. I wouldn't recommend Electronic Meditation; it's their first one, it's a rehearsal recorded in 69, very very experimental. And not so electronic. From the Virgin years (74-83), you have some of the best. I would also recommend Encore (77), their second live album, which is good because it has all their styles from 71 to 76. White Eagle (82) is another great album, a bit like Hyperborea but better. Le Parc (85) is one of my favourites, as is Poland (84). Le Parc has a very good blend of rhythmic and melodic tracks. I consider Lily on the Beach (89) quite similar to Le Parc in that way, although it sounds a bit more uniform than Le Parc and has a few unnecessary tracks. Lily has some of my favourite tracks like Valley of the Kings, Crystal Curfew and Too Hot For My Chinchilla. Underwater Sunlight (86) and Le Parc (85), IMO, are just like Hyperborea (83) and White Eagle (82): the second is good, but the first is better. Und.Sun. has great tracks. My favourite are the first one (Song of the Whale part one) and the first of side B (Dolphin Dance). Another very good album is 220 Volt Live (92). Another anjoyable one from the 90s is Tyranny of Beauty (95), although after the first two or three tracks it begins to sound too uniform for me; each track begins to sound just like the previous one. I play Tyranny as rarely as Zeit. You can read lots of reviews searching the list's files at the egroups site, just search for the album name between brackets, like [Zeit], and you should find lots of them. We had scheduled weekly album discussions,which ended some time in November/early December. Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) From: 'Harri Ikonen' Date: Sun Jan 14, 2001 2:57 pm Subject: TD video clips While browsing germanrock.de, I somehow got to inet-tv.net web site (famous for it's solar eclipse video with TD music) and noticed that there are other TD clips too. The following are from the Oasis video, but there's also some added commentary about the nature scenes. Flashflood http://real1.inet-tv.net:8080/ramgen/clips/oasis/oasis01.smil Waterborne http://real1.inet-tv.net:8080/ramgen/clips/oasis/oasis02.smil Summer Storm http://real1.inet-tv.net:8080/ramgen/clips/oasis/oasis03.smil And here's the real treat, nine minutes of clips from TD's April 18, 1997 concert http://inet-tv.net/inet/ramfiles/tdlive.ram Anybody know if there's a videotape of the concert circling around somewhere? Regards, Harri From: 'Jared White' Date: Sun Jan 14, 2001 12:18 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Hi, Borris, Welcome to the wild and woolly world of TD fans! > Now after some years I'm rediscovering this band trying to > decide what to buy etc, so if you can give me some overview that > would be much appreciated. I have recently got Hyperborea, > Oasis (Soundtrack), Tyger (which I just had to get as I also > greatly admire William Blake, although I find the pronunciation of > the River Thames very funny) & Atem. In a shop handy to me > there are copies of Optical Race, Le Parc, The Hollywood Years, > Underwater Sunlight, Green Desert, Alpha Centauri, The Dream > Mixes I & Electronic Meditations. What would people > recommend, I would like representative works from all the > different periods of the Dream. Optical Race, Le Parc, and Dream Mixes I are very good landmark albums to buy if you're still getting a feel for TD's various styles. Optical Race was the first album TD made after Chris Franke left, and it was the beginning of a new epoch in TD history. Le Parc was made several years before and was the last album to feature the talents of Johannes Schmoelling. Dream Mixes I came out in 1995 featuring Jerome Froese's new dance sensibilities that took TD's then-current output to a new level. A few more albums I'd heartily recommend are Turn of the Tides (1994), Goblin's Club (1996), and Mars Polaris (1999). If you would like to hear a more laid-back, contemplative, and classical-like side of modern TD, try Seven Letters from Tibet (2000). Whatever you do, stay away from Hollywood Years! A worst collection of 'music' from TD you can't find anywhere, IMHO! > If anyone could point me to a good comprehensive site for online > TD reviews that would be great. Well, since I'm one of the principal people 'pissed off' at Glenn Folkvord, I guess it'd be OK for me to temporarily bury the hatchet and let you know that he runs a very detailed and well-thought-out electronic music review site called Electronic Shadows, and the URL for it is http://www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows . Bear in mind, though, that Electronic Shadows' reviewers sometimes have very different outlooks on things, so using their reviews as a guide to the best and worst of modern TD is not always the best idea. ;) No offense, Glenn.... Another site to try is Synth Music Direct ( http://www.synthmusicdirect.com ), but they seem fixated on 70's/80's TD clones, so their TD reviews aren't always very useful either (since modern TD is pretty different from the older material). Hope that helps, Jared From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sun Jan 14, 2001 12:16 am Subject: 'Live' recordings I have been following the recent i-Box 'live' arguments with interest and can report that such recordings are by no means always as one might imagine them to be. In the late 1970s, Leonard Bernstein took the New York Philharmonic on tour which included Japan, and Columbia (now Sony) made a so-called 'live' recording of the Shostakovich fifth symphony in Tokyo (1979) while on that tour. I have that (analogue) recording, and one can clearly hear changes in tape hiss in the opening and slow movements of the symphony, suggesting the editing out of moments where the producer felt that the playing was perhaps less than ideal, or audience participation was excessive, and the subsequent incorporation of the same music from (presumably) rehearsals for the concert. One can't help wondering whether TD has adopted a similar approach to its live recordings in the past -- and I'm thinking of the original 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' etc in saying that, let alone the i-Box tracks. For my part, however, suspecting that such tinkering might have happened doesn't in any way detract from my enjoyment of the music, or one's impressions of the band's performances of it -- and THAT, at the end of the day, is what counts most for me! Indeed, I have found that wrong notes, poor playing or other mistakes in recorded performances can become increasingly annoying with repeated hearings, and I cannot believe that TD concerts are error-free anyway. Food for thought? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25667 Re: 'Live' recordings Patrik . Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB 25671 Re: 'Live' recordings Matthew Sawyer Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB 25675 Re: 'Live' recordings David Foster Mon 1/15/2001 3 KB 25676 Re: 'Live' recordings Feldon Feldon Mon 1/15/2001 7 KB 25677 Re 'Live' recordings (ATTN: MARTIN) Robert Grabowsky Mon 1/15/2001 2 KB 25685 Re: 'Live' recordings Hermes Guzman Tue 1/16/2001 11 KB 25690 Re: 'Live' recordings Steve Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB 25681 Re: 'Live' recordings John Marchington Tue 1/16/2001 10 KB 25682 Re: 'Live' recordings Patrik . Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 5:36 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Jared, >Well, since I'm one of the principal people 'pissed off' at Glenn Folkvord, >I guess it'd be OK for me to temporarily bury the hatchet and let you know >that he runs a very detailed and well-thought-out electronic music review >site called Electronic Shadows, and the URL for it is >http://www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows . Bear in mind, though, that >Electronic Shadows' reviewers sometimes have very different outlooks on >things, so using their reviews as a guide to the best and worst of modern TD >is not always the best idea. ;) No offense, Glenn.... None taken :-) There are two of us that reviews on that site; Loren is usually more positive towards TD than me..... Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows (oops, there it is) www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: 'Patrik .' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 11:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Yes, maybe we should refer to them as 'live' recordings. Were Poland polished? *s* Were Logos also 'enhanced'? Personally, I prefer live recordings with all the flaws and wrong notes, but since we´re in the era of the Steinbergs, I guess all wrong notes have eliminated themselves, so to speak. Live Miles - is just not live at all, as I understand...? If it´s live then it should be live! imho Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 9:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I Box / Live > > As for pondering whether they are studio creations or not... Who is to say > > exactly what constitutes 'live'? Does it have to be a major concert in > > front of a large audience? If you visited TD's studio while they were > > recording a tune, and played it right in front of you, and made a tape just > > for you, is that 'live'? > > Now you're sounding like a lawyer, Mr. Jean. Should we start calling Mars > Polaris, Stratofear and Le Parc 'live' albums? whoops, wait a second... i'd have to say that michael's got a point... let's assume that an e-music band, say with three members, works on a piece, rehearses it a few times, gets some ideas of melody and chord structure, then goes into the studio and lays down the track straight in one take, only the three different keyboards and say, a drum machine for support... to my way of thinking, this is live... even if the wrong note here and there is edited out... as long as no more tracks are laid down, and mastering is minimal... someone said 'live' used to mean in front of an audience, but i would say, from experience, that if you are playing something without the safety net of stopping and editing, esp. if what you are playing contains new material, the people playing it are as much an audience, and in fact, can often enjoy it more than an audience member... merriam-webster defines live (in this case, the adverbial form) as: at the actual time of occurrence... so we can get hung up on semantics or we can look at the different perspectives: most bands take the opportunity when performing in concert to be creative with their music, usually with new intros or outros, or a new bridge or most often, with the solos... if a band decides to perform songs that completely reproduce what is on the album, then you end up with the perspective that someone mentioned earlier: you are basically paying money to hear the CD on a bigger stereo system with lots of other people... the band, IMO, loses the chance to play around with some of their music... the feeling i get from most of the comlaints about the music being live is that it's not different from what is on the album... that somehow, by being played in front of an audience, it should have something else that the album version doesn't... and that is totally an artistic choice... flame on, boys... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 10:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: live albums If you look at the PF web site it tells you exactly what was used. On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, you wrote: > << was about to comment on the album Pulse, but I > > can't remember if PF merged the tracks together > that were from different shows to make them seem > like they were from the same show - or not. Not > quite as egregious as a studio with crowd > overdubs, of course, but it came to mind. I'm > thinking back to live albums from the past: did > my Kiss Alive album say the songs were from > different venues or not? etc.>> > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 8:36 am Subject: Ossiach live 3 LP at eBAY Hello hunters and collectors, my copy of 'OSSIACH LIVE' (3 lp set) is now waiting for your bids at eBAY (in Mint- condition!) The URL is: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1404304023 This auction has a reserve price. Heiko From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 8:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings From: John Marchington > I cannot believe that TD concerts are error-free anyway. They certainly aren't. Comparing Pergamon and the bootleg version of the concert, I much prefer the official release. In the bootleg, the piano section at the beginning sounds 'cheesier' for some reason, and there are sections where wrong notes are played and the music threatens to fall apart a little. On the subject of doctoring the music, yes, TD have always altered live recording for release. I think the difference is that today, Edgar is trying to 'clean up' old performances by placing 'newer' music onto it. Soundmill, for example. The original concert and the new material added to it are 25 years apart. They don't sit together well. Maff ________________________________________ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 2:44 pm Subject: What ever happen to... Does anybody have an e-mail address for Lars Jones? Just wondering whatever happened to him. Please e-mail me offlist if you have an e- mail and don't think he would mind you giving it out. Thanks and much appreciated! From: Tom Richmond Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 3:49 pm Subject: first reminder - Dreamwatcher's Tales CDR tree Hello dreamers: This is the first reminder for participation in the 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' CDR tree. I have 23 sign-ups so far, and it seems that everyone in Europe wants to be a branch. Are there any leaves out there? Sign-ups will be open for a couple weeks, but I thought I'd post a reminder to make sure everyone was aware as soon as possible. So here's the scoop again... 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If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful.. From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 6:35 pm Subject: Re: i-box I own a very very nice re-release of John Coltrane's 'Blue Train' (yes, I love jazz) which is an 'enhanced' CD: stick it into your PC and you have BIG beautiful high rez pictures even better than those on LP sleeves and even MOVIES! Now that would be something nice to do for TD..... armin > > > Sure makes me wish the industry had selected the 12' laserdisk > > as the format for the CD, so that we could still have decent > > LP-size covers, booklets, pictures etc... > > > > That would make for one heck of a big hole in the dash of my car! > Just imagine what a 5 disc changer would look like. It would be as > big as a bed! Or imagine a room-sized Sony 400 disc changer > that weighs 3000 lbs when fully loaded...... Nahhhh I think I will > just hold the CD booklet a little closer to my eyes when I look at > it. But I suppose using that same logic sitting 2 feet away from > my 27' TV would be the same as owning a big-screen. ;-) From: 'David Foster' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Patrik says > Personally, I prefer live recordings with all the flaws and wrong notes, but > since we´re in the era of the Steinbergs, I guess all wrong notes have > eliminated themselves, so to speak. I agree with most of what you say but there are some times when the bum notes just spoil it. I am referring in particular to the Fassbender memorial concert. > Live Miles - is just not live at all, as I understand...? Whether it is live or not I think its a great recording. I was surprised it came out near to Tyger and sounded similar. But I will play Livemiles any time over Tyger. David From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 6:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings >From: 'John Marchington' > >I have been following the recent i-Box 'live' arguments with interest and >can report that such recordings are by no means always as one might imagine >them to be. > >In the late 1970s, Leonard Bernstein took the New York Philharmonic on tour >which included Japan, and Columbia (now Sony) made a so-called 'live' >recording ... [where] one can clearly hear changes in tape hiss in the >opening and slow movements of the symphony, suggesting the editing out of >moments where the producer felt that the playing was perhaps less than >ideal >One can't help wondering whether TD has adopted a similar approach to its >live recordings in the past -- and I'm thinking of the original 'Ricochet', >'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' etc in saying that, >let alone the i-Box tracks. > >For my part, however, suspecting that such tinkering might have happened >doesn't in any way detract from my enjoyment of the music, or one's >impressions of the band's performances of it -- and THAT, at the end of the >day, is what counts most for me! Indeed, I have found that wrong notes, >poor playing or other mistakes in recorded performances can become >increasingly annoying with repeated hearings, and I cannot believe that TD >concerts are error-free anyway. UUUUUUURRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! I keep seeing this argument. John, you will find very few complaints from this list if Edgar took concert tapes from the past, maybe found the best playings of different songs, edited them together, and labeled them PROPERLY as maybe a 2 disc 'the 1981 Concert Series' for example. This is WITHOUT adding any 1990s/2000s pink poodle revisionist fluffery. People are not upset because Edgar is editing vintage concerts together. We'd probably be mildly overjoyed if he granted us at least this (and labeled it as such). Instead, he is dusting and fraudulently labeling live concerts which are in fact 50% or less impressions of the actual concert. As you mention, 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' are not vanilla recordings of each concert. Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces from at least a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a single recording of a concert for which no tape exists). Encore has 3 tracks taken from the 1977 tour, and then 1 track that is mostly from the tour, but has studio dustings THAT ARE VINTAGE-ACCURATE (same equipment). Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert except it skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage (~24 minutes of unreleased material which appeared in The Keep and other soundtracks), and nicely improvised Choronzon, Tangent, and Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of the guitar work near the end of the concert has been dialed down, and the White Eagle and Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that occured at the Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the concert fit on four 22 minute sides (vinyl!). Pergamon has been well documented on this list. Some is pretty close to what was played, some is purely studio work, and of course we'll never have the afternoon show on CD. :( And not one minute of Livemiles was played live, as is, in 1986/87. You're not getting serious complaints over Ricochet, Encore, Logos, and Poland on this list, at least not from me. Sure it would be nice if Edgar would release the rest of the pieces from these concerts, especially the ~12 hours of unreleased 1977 material which SHOULD have no copyright issues unless Virgin has an unprecedented 'live performances' ownership clause in the contract. The complaint you are hearing on this list is that Edgar's definition of a 'live' release now, in the example of the Perth 1982 'concert' as appeared on i-Box, is to: 1) Perform a 17 minute solo in the studio. 2) Bridge this into an exact copy of Mojave Plan from the White Eagle master tapes 3) Awkwardly bridge this into an exact copy of Convention of the 24 from the White Eagle master tapes. 4) Tack on a Pinnacles solo recorded in the studio. Here's another example--Sohoman is supposed to be a Melbourne, Australia 1982 concert (which, thankfully, exists as Outback Voices in the bootleg world). It contains: 1) About 5-10 minutes of solo work recorded in the studio. 2) The first ~35 minutes of the concert turned down to about 60% volume and then 1999 keyboards played on top at full volume, counter to the spirit of the original music. 3) Completely removed the guitar solo from Bondy Parade (a 12 minute track) and then shortened the track to 8 minutes (without the guitar, it's a boring track so I don't blame him for reactively taking the 2nd step). 4) Added 5 minutes of solo, recorded in the studio. Do you think either of these accurately represent what was played in 1982? Your Leonard Bernstein 70's series may not appease the fans hoping for a single recording of a favorite show they attended, but it damn well represents REAL Leonard Bernstein music from the 1970's. Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25677 Re 'Live' recordings (ATTN: MARTIN) Robert Grabowsky Mon 1/15/2001 2 KB 25685 Re: 'Live' recordings Hermes Guzman Tue 1/16/2001 11 KB 25690 Re: 'Live' recordings Steve Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 8:54 pm Subject: Re 'Live' recordings (ATTN: MARTIN) Attention Martin of the Tangerine Dream homepage: Can you get any comments from Edgar on all of the comments that have been made about these recordings? Maybe as to why he does this. Does it involve copyright problems? I think it is about time we hear it from the source as I am getting tired of hearing people complaining. Enough is Enough, THE HIGHLANDER aka Robert Grabowsky From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 9:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: i-box Armin, I delved into my first Froese solo, 'Pinnacles and enjoyed it. In particular the first track, which I thought was excellent. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:35 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: i-box > > I own a very very nice re-release of John Coltrane's 'Blue Train' > (yes, I love jazz) which is an 'enhanced' CD: stick it into your > PC and you have BIG beautiful high rez pictures even better than > those on LP sleeves and even MOVIES! > > Now that would be something nice to do for TD..... > > armin > > > > > > Sure makes me wish the industry had selected the 12' laserdisk > > > as the format for the CD, so that we could still have decent > > > LP-size covers, booklets, pictures etc... > > > > > > > That would make for one heck of a big hole in the dash of my car! > > Just imagine what a 5 disc changer would look like. It would be as > > big as a bed! Or imagine a room-sized Sony 400 disc changer > > that weighs 3000 lbs when fully loaded...... Nahhhh I think I will > > just hold the CD booklet a little closer to my eyes when I look at > > it. But I suppose using that same logic sitting 2 feet away from > > my 27' TV would be the same as owning a big-screen. ;-) > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 12:10 am Subject: about Goblins' Club Re: [tadream] Digest Number 764 >A few more albums I'd heartily >recommend are Turn of the Tides (1994), Goblin's Club (1996), and Mars >Polaris (1999). If you would like to hear a more laid-back, contemplative, >and classical-like side of modern TD, try Seven Letters from Tibet (2000). I wouldn't be sure about Goblins' Club. It has its moments, like the first track and the one called Rising Haul in Silence, but I find most of the music there quite forgettable. I rarely play this album, and when I do, I never play the whole CD. I get bored before. Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 11:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Welcome back Jared. It appears that I have picked up the torch where you left it on our other list. Don't mind the scars around my wrists, ankles, back and chest. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jared White' To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Newbie wantthat would be something nice to do for TD..... > > armin > > > > > > Sure makes me wish the industry had selected the 12' laserdisk > > > as the format for the CD, so that we could still have decent > > > LP-size covers, booklets, pictures etc... > > > > > > > That would make for one heck of a big hole in the dash of my car! > > Just imagine what a 5 disc changer would look like. It would be as > > big as a bed! Or imagine a room-sized Sony 400 disc changer > > that weighs 3000 lbs when fully loaded...... Nahhhh I think I will > > just hold the CD booklet a little closer to my eyes when I look at > > it. But I suppose using that same logic sitting 2 feet away from > > my 27' TV would be the same as owning a big-screen. ;-) > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 12:10 am Subject: about Goblins' Club Re: [tadream] Digest Number 764 >A few more albums I'd heartily >recommend are Turn of the Tides (1994), Goblin's Club (1996), and Mars >Polaris (1999). If you would like to hear a more laid-back, contemplative, >and classical-like side of modern TD, try Seven Letters from Tibet (2000). I wouldn't be sure about Goblins' Club. It has its moments, like the first track and the one called Rising Haul in Silence, but I find most of the music there quite forgettable. I rarely play this album, and when I do, I never play the whole CD. I get bored before. Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Jan 15, 2001 11:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews Welcome back Jared. It appears that I have picked up the torch where you left it on our other list. Don't mind the scars around my wrists, ankles, back and chest. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jared White' To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Newbie wanting TD reviews > Hi, Borris, > > Welcome to the wild and woolly world of TD fans! > > > > Now after some years I'm rediscovering this band trying to > > decide what to buy etc, so if you can give me some overview that > > would be much appreciated. I have recently got Hyperborea, > > Oasis (Soundtrack), Tyger (which I just had to get as I also > > greatly admire William Blake, although I find the pronunciation of > > the River Thames very funny) & Atem. In a shop handy to me > > there are copies of Optical Race, Le Parc, The Hollywood Years, > > Underwater Sunlight, Green Desert, Alpha Centauri, The Dream > > Mixes I & Electronic Meditations. What would people > > recommend, I would like representative works from all the > > different periods of the Dream. > > Optical Race, Le Parc, and Dream Mixes I are very good landmark albums to > buy if you're still getting a feel for TD's various styles. Optical Race was > the first album TD made after Chris Franke left, and it was the beginning of > a new epoch in TD history. Le Parc was made several years before and was the > last album to feature the talents of Johannes Schmoelling. Dream Mixes I > came out in 1995 featuring Jerome Froese's new dance sensibilities that took > TD's then-current output to a new level. A few more albums I'd heartily > recommend are Turn of the Tides (1994), Goblin's Club (1996), and Mars > Polaris (1999). If you would like to hear a more laid-back, contemplative, > and classical-like side of modern TD, try Seven Letters from Tibet (2000). > > Whatever you do, stay away from Hollywood Years! A worst collection of > 'music' from TD you can't find anywhere, IMHO! > > > If anyone could point me to a good comprehensive site for online > > TD reviews that would be great. > > Well, since I'm one of the principal people 'pissed off' at Glenn Folkvord, > I guess it'd be OK for me to temporarily bury the hatchet and let you know > that he runs a very detailed and well-thought-out electronic music review > site called Electronic Shadows, and the URL for it is > http://www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows . Bear in mind, though, that > Electronic Shadows' reviewers sometimes have very different outlooks on > things, so using their reviews as a guide to the best and worst of modern TD > is not always the best idea. ;) No offense, Glenn.... > > Another site to try is Synth Music Direct > ( http://www.synthmusicdirect.com ), but they seem fixated on 70's/80's TD > clones, so their TD reviews aren't always very useful either (since modern > TD is pretty different from the older material). > > Hope that helps, > > Jared > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 5:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Thanks for your comments, Feldon. I've never complained -- at least musically -- about any of the so-called live recordings discussed by you below and I enjoy them all in varying degrees. I do have quite serious reservations about the recording of 'Encore', however, which I have never thought was particularly well managed, with numerous changes to sound levels in places. The remastered version is particularly bad in that regard. Maybe rehearsals were dubbed in and level matching wasn't carried out as accurately as it should have been. I suspect that live recordings will always polarise members of this list. There have already been some who have stated that they wouldn't mind the wrong notes, late entries etc they remember hearing, probably because those mistakes conjure up memories of a generally happy occasion for them and they would be hearing part of a concert they attended -- unadulterated. Others, like me, feel quite differently. (Sadly, as I've mentioned before, I've never heard the band live). I recall hearing a broadcast many years ago of a concert given in the Royal Festival Hall. The Philharmonia Orchestra was conducted by Sir Adrian Boult and the work was the Vaughan Williams 6th symphony. The playing, from one of London's top orchestras under a conductor who knew the work like the back of his hand, was dreadful. There were horn and trumpet fluffs galore, ragged string playing -- you name it. Sir Adrian was very old by this time and one must assume that he no longer had the ability to maintain discipline within the ranks. Those present at the concert must have been cringing. Had that broadcast been issued as a recording, I'm positive nobody would ever have bought it, or those who had without hearing it first would probably have returned it to the shop after the first or second playing. While we undoubtedly all have different levels of tolerance, there are surely limits to it! One thing buying the i-Box set is doing for me is making me appreciate TD's more recent work, which I've never really cared for till now. I immediately went and got out 'Melrose' and played it right through -- and thoroughly enjoyed it for the first time. I must try 'Lily on the Beach', 'Tyranny of Beauty' and 'Goblin's Club' again. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings > >From: 'John Marchington' > > > >I have been following the recent i-Box 'live' arguments with interest and > >can report that such recordings are by no means always as one might imagine > >them to be. > > > >In the late 1970s, Leonard Bernstein took the New York Philharmonic on tour > >which included Japan, and Columbia (now Sony) made a so-called 'live' > >recording ... [where] one can clearly hear changes in tape hiss in the > >opening and slow movements of the symphony, suggesting the editing out of > >moments where the producer felt that the playing was perhaps less than > >ideal > > >One can't help wondering whether TD has adopted a similar approach to its > >live recordings in the past -- and I'm thinking of the original 'Ricochet', > >'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' etc in saying that, > >let alone the i-Box tracks. > > > >For my part, however, suspecting that such tinkering might have happened > >doesn't in any way detract from my enjoyment of the music, or one's > >impressions of the band's performances of it -- and THAT, at the end of the > >day, is what counts most for me! Indeed, I have found that wrong notes, > >poor playing or other mistakes in recorded performances can become > >increasingly annoying with repeated hearings, and I cannot believe that TD > >concerts are error-free anyway. > > UUUUUUURRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! > > I keep seeing this argument. > > John, you will find very few complaints from this list if Edgar took concert > tapes from the past, maybe found the best playings of different songs, > edited them together, and labeled them PROPERLY as maybe a 2 disc 'the 1981 > Concert Series' for example. This is WITHOUT adding any 1990s/2000s pink > poodle revisionist fluffery. > > People are not upset because Edgar is editing vintage concerts together. > We'd probably be mildly overjoyed if he granted us at least this (and > labeled it as such). > > Instead, he is dusting and fraudulently labeling live concerts which are in > fact 50% or less impressions of the actual concert. > > As you mention, 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', 'Pergamon', > 'LiveMiles' are not vanilla recordings of each concert. > > Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces from at least > a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a single recording of a concert > for which no tape exists). > > Encore has 3 tracks taken from the 1977 tour, and then 1 track that is > mostly from the tour, but has studio dustings THAT ARE VINTAGE-ACCURATE > (same equipment). > > Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert except it > skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage (~24 minutes of unreleased > material which appeared in The Keep and other soundtracks), and nicely > improvised Choronzon, Tangent, and Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of > the guitar work near the end of the concert has been dialed down, and the > White Eagle and Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. > > Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that occured at the > Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the concert fit on four 22 minute > sides (vinyl!). > > Pergamon has been well documented on this list. Some is pretty close to what > was played, some is purely studio work, and of course we'll never have the > afternoon show on CD. :( > > And not one minute of Livemiles was played live, as is, in 1986/87. > > > You're not getting serious complaints over Ricochet, Encore, Logos, and > Poland on this list, at least not from me. Sure it would be nice if Edgar > would release the rest of the pieces from these concerts, especially the ~12 > hours of unreleased 1977 material which SHOULD have no copyright issues > unless Virgin has an unprecedented 'live performances' ownership clause in > the contract. > > The complaint you are hearing on this list is that Edgar's definition of a > 'live' release now, in the example of the Perth 1982 'concert' as appeared > on i-Box, is to: > > 1) Perform a 17 minute solo in the studio. > 2) Bridge this into an exact copy of Mojave Plan from the White Eagle master > tapes > 3) Awkwardly bridge this into an exact copy of Convention of the 24 from the > White Eagle master tapes. > 4) Tack on a Pinnacles solo recorded in the studio. > > > Here's another example--Sohoman is supposed to be a Melbourne, Australia > 1982 concert (which, thankfully, exists as Outback Voices in the bootleg > world). It contains: > > 1) About 5-10 minutes of solo work recorded in the studio. > 2) The first ~35 minutes of the concert turned down to about 60% volume and > then 1999 keyboards played on top at full volume, counter to the spirit of > the original music. > 3) Completely removed the guitar solo from Bondy Parade (a 12 minute track) > and then shortened the track to 8 minutes (without the guitar, it's a boring > track so I don't blame him for reactively taking the 2nd step). > 4) Added 5 minutes of solo, recorded in the studio. > > > Do you think either of these accurately represent what was played in 1982? > > Your Leonard Bernstein 70's series may not appease the fans hoping for a > single recording of a favorite show they attended, but it damn well > represents REAL Leonard Bernstein music from the 1970's. > > > Morgan > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Patrik .' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 10:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings David wrote: >I agree with most of what you say but there are some times when the bum >notes just spoil it. I am referring in particular to the Fassbender >memorial concert. > > Live Miles - is just not live at all, as I understand...? >Whether it is live or not I think its a great recording. I was surprised it came out near to Tyger and sounded similar. But I will play Livemiles any time over Tyger. ------------------------- I haven´t played Fassbinder Memorial since 1989 when I got my first CD, mine is 12' vinyl, what are we talking about here? Notes out of key, or? Regarding Livemiles; of course it´s a great recording, it´s a studio product! :-))) Regards Patrik _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: '3N' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 9:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Hello! (and sorry for my opinion of this discussion ;)) ) But now nobody not convince me that TD has record any his 'live' records on real live performance. I'm listening to official TD's records very precisely and very close to bootlegs recording. I'm playing keybords, synthesators, guitars, percussion too and I known in technical details how to create music like this . Realy! When I was in 97 on goblin's concert I was very dissatisfied. Because, without Hahveld's percussion and Perica's guitar, all material (oups, sorry - only 99% of material ;))) ) has played from VST. Old Froese sometimes played only acords and make sound effects. It's for me very disgusting. ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon To: Cc: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings > Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces from at least > a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a single recording of a concert > for which no tape exists). Wrong. Richochet ONLY bases on ideas from british tour in autumn 75, but all material for this recor TD has rerecording in studio! > > Encore has 3 tracks taken from the 1977 tour, and then 1 track that is > mostly from the tour, but has studio dustings THAT ARE VINTAGE-ACCURATE > (same equipment). Wrong. Encore has ONE track taken from UStour - this is Monolight from Washington performance (from WGTB radio tapes and without any overdubs in sounds). Cherooke bases on many ideas from concerts again, but it is rerecord in studio ;))). CWC and DD never were played on live performace! > > Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert except it > skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage (~24 minutes of unreleased > material which appeared in The Keep and other soundtracks), and nicely > improvised Choronzon, Tangent, and Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of > the guitar work near the end of the concert has been dialed down, and the > White Eagle and Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. > > Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that occured at the > Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the concert fit on four 22 minute > sides (vinyl!). Sorry... But Poland was record in Amber studio. From polish concert on this albus is only Kordowicz's announcment. In Poland TD has played Poland's material complete differently. I know, because I was on these concerts in december 83 and I have them on my tapes (and of course on CDR ;)) ). In interview published in december 84 in polish NonStop Froese has confess that Franke and Schmoelling corrected in studio majority of parts. > > Pergamon has been well documented on this list. Some is pretty close to what > was played, some is purely studio work, and of course we'll never have the > afternoon show on CD. :( Why?? I have it on CD. > > And not one minute of Livemiles was played live, as is, in 1986/87. You're right! [CUT] > The complaint you are hearing on this list is that Edgar's definition of a > 'live' release now, in the example of the Perth 1982 'concert' as appeared > on i-Box, is to: > > 1) Perform a 17 minute solo in the studio. > 2) Bridge this into an exact copy of Mojave Plan from the White Eagle master > tapes No! MojavePlan (and most tracks on 5th CD) is not from master studio tape! It's from tape, that was prepared for Australian tour in 82. This tape was played as BAGROUND of live performace (not live sequencers!). This technology TD was make from autumn 80. Tracks from 5th CD of i-box was produced for American tour in 88. Do you realy don't hear any differences from origanal albums??? Und so waiter ;))) regards JerzyK PS. I'm fan from Poland. I am fan, big fan since 78, when I heard for first time Cyclone, Encore, Stratosfear and Ricochet. This music always was and is for me lovely and timeless. And I like Rubycon, Phaedra, Atem, Zeit, AlphaCentauri, ForceMajeure, Tangram too. But I hate TD's music from 90th years, but I have it ;))). From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 5:30 pm Subject: 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. I'm a bit bummed with 'i-box' after having listen to it several times through. Oh well. I'll set it aside and pick it up later, perhaps finding a gem or two at that future time. Such is often the case: So I popped in the 'Dream Roots' collection for a listen. I'd not played this set for some time. CD 1, 2, 3, 4, 5... Wow! I was reintroduced to 'Valley of the Sun' again. Very 'Franke.' Great track. Also enjoyed 'Vanishing Blue.' So here is my question: After (admittedly limited) research of net-based discographies, I could not find other variations of either of these tracks on other CDs. Do they exist? (For example, I've heard more than one version of 'Silver Scale,' another of my favorites.) 'Tangentized' or otherwise, I'd love to explore them if they do in fact exist. On a side note: 1. Has the recent radio interview been fully (and cleanly) translated from German and posted to a web page? 2. Always hoping that TD will tour again. One would think that Los Angeles would offer sufficient 'critical mass.' Quite a variety of venues, of various sizes. From the 'Pink Floyd'-sized Rose Bowl (gak, there were a lot of bodies there!!), to more intimate houses (down to 'The Whiskey' and other clubs). The LA basin itself has about 12 million people, but a concert there draws from potential audiences in most western states, maybe 50 million souls or so? Gotta be some fans in that pile. I always enjoy this LIST, mostly in Lurker Mode. James Horecka, AIA, Architect jhorecka@p... http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25687 Re: 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. Sean Montgomery Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB 25728 Re: 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. Gabe Yedid Thu 1/18/2001 3 KB 25731 Re: 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. Sean Montgomery Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 6:40 pm Subject: Re: 'Live' recordings > In tadream@egroups.com, 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > >From: 'John Marchington' > > > >I have been following the recent i-Box 'live' arguments with > >interest and can report that such recordings are by no means > >always as one might imagine them to be. > > > >In the late 1970s, Leonard Bernstein took the New York > >Philharmonic on tour which included Japan, and Columbia > >(now Sony) made a so-called 'live' recording ... [where] one > >can clearly hear changes in tape hiss in the opening and > >slow movements of the symphony, suggesting the editing out > >of moments where the producer felt that the playing was > >perhaps less than ideal > > > >One can't help wondering whether TD has adopted a similar > >approach to its live recordings in the past -- and I'm > >thinking of the original 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', > >'Poland', 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' etc in saying that, > >let alone the i-Box tracks. > > > >For my part, however, suspecting that such tinkering > >might have happened doesn't in any way detract from my > >enjoyment of the music, or one's impressions of the > >band's performances of it -- and THAT, at the end of the > >day, is what counts most for me! Indeed, I have found that > >wrong notes, poor playing or other mistakes in recorded > >performances can become increasingly annoying with repeated > >hearings, and I cannot believe that TD concerts are > >error-free anyway. > > UUUUUUURRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! > > I keep seeing this argument. Perhaps that is because there are people in the world who are just as intelligent as you are, but who think differently. > John, you will find very few complaints from this list if Edgar > took concert tapes from the past, maybe found the best playings > of different songs, edited them together, and labeled them PROPERLY > as maybe a 2 disc 'the 1981 Concert Series' for example. This is > WITHOUT adding any 1990s/2000s pink poodle revisionist fluffery. Yep. It'd be great if we'd get 'virgin' intended) concert releases from the golden era. Maybe it'll happen one day. Not everyone on this list, however, excoriates the modern additions to the shows that have been released-no matter how much some rant about it. > People are not upset because Edgar is editing vintage concerts > together. We'd probably be mildly overjoyed if he granted us at > least this (and labeled it as such). > > Instead, he is dusting and fraudulently labeling live concerts > which are in fact 50% or less impressions of the actual concert. 'Fraudulently?' Since these releases all contain material that was *ACTUALLY PERFORMED LIVE* (Perth notwithstanding) where exactly is the fraud? If the criteria is overdubs and studio additions to a live concert constitute fraud, then there are almost *NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. Better expand that petition drive.... A dangerous word there, 'impressions'. That word implies subjectivity and works both for the listener *and* the creator. Perhaps these releases are intended as *his* impressions of what *he* was feeling/thinking at the time. Of course, this does not explain _The Perth Tapes_...or does it? However, I do concede the point that some of us (myself included to a degree) wish for undoctored shows and are in that respect justifiably upset about what has been released. But it is a vain and fruitless anger bordering on hypocrasy if when you purchase it you *know* that they are not the actual shows. For those who stand by their convictions and refrain from purchasing these items; points for logical consistency. But then your complaints become those of the 'Coulda, shoulda, woulda' whine variety that *all* fans engage in from time to time to no real result. > As you mention, 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', > 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' are not vanilla recordings of each concert. > > Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces from > at least a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a single > recording of a concert for which no tape exists). Ricochet_ *was* presented (and advertised) as a live album! It was edited from basically 3 shows with additional studio overdubs (notably the drums and the piano intro to pt.2), and is a great *impression* of the late `74/early `75 shows. > Encore has 3 tracks taken from the 1977 tour, and then 1 track that > is mostly from the tour, but has studio dustings THAT ARE > VINTAGE-ACCURATE (same equipment). Ummmm...more than studio dustings, I'm afraid. 'Desert Dream' is basically a studio creation. It's based on various studio sessions (including the _Oedips Tyrannus_ material) the band had lying around. All of the remaining tracks have studio work on them as well, though they are faithful *impressions* of actual tracks performed live. > Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert > except it skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage > (~24 minutes of unreleased material which appeared in The Keep and > other soundtracks), and nicely improvised Choronzon, Tangent, and > Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of the guitar work near the end > of the concert has been dialed down, and the White Eagle and > Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. _Logos_ is the second set of the Dominion show with the first set opening theme grafted on in place of the 'Mojave Plan' excerpt. There was *NO* guitar performed at any of the `82 UK Winter shows! > Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that > occured at the Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the concert > fit on four 22 minute sides (vinyl!). _Poland_ was basically re-performed in the studio due to the aforementioned problems. I've always felt that the side edit between 'Poland' and 'Tangent' should've been corrected for the CD release, as it was for _Logos_. > Pergamon has been well documented on this list. Some is pretty > close to what was played, some is purely studio work, and of > course we'll never have the afternoon show on CD. :( Pt. 1-Fairly faithful to the first half of the second set, with edits, studio dustings and punch-ins. Pt. 2-Studio creation loosely based on some of the ideas in the second halves of both sets. And I'm with the growing consensus of old fart collectors who believe there was no afternoon show. Mislabled tapes are the most likely culprit here (as usual.) > And not one minute of Livemiles was played live, as is, in 1986/87. Don't get me started on this again (although 'Caspian Sea' and 'Velvet Autumn/Sunnyvale' are fairly accurate *impressions* of two themes from the Berlin show.) > You're not getting serious complaints over Ricochet, Encore, Logos, > and Poland on this list, at least not from me. Sure it would be > nice if Edgar would release the rest of the pieces from these > concerts, especially the ~12 hours of unreleased 1977 material > which SHOULD have no copyright issues unless Virgin has an > unprecedented 'live performances' ownership clause in the contract. They call them *Bootlegs* precisely because the record company owns the rights to the live performances by bands under contract, including material performed that has not been released. > The complaint you are hearing on this list is that Edgar's > definition of a 'live' release now, in the example of the Perth > 1982 'concert' as appeared on i-Box, is to: > > 1) Perform a 17 minute solo in the studio. > 2) Bridge this into an exact copy of Mojave Plan from the White > Eagle master tapes > 3) Awkwardly bridge this into an exact copy of Convention of the 24 > from the White Eagle master tapes. > 4) Tack on a Pinnacles solo recorded in the studio. Did some of you actually listen to this disc? The correct order (and source!) of the tracks is as follows: 1) 'Snake Bath' source (twice as long and different from _Kamikaze 89_) 2) 'Cryo Lab' bridge from the Freidenskonziert with 'Specific Gravity of Smile' 3) 'Convention of the 24' obscured by overdubs (now *there's* a title...:)) 4) 'Mojave Plan' studio version with poorly edited intro If you're going to offer a critique, then please at least get the details right first. It helps to present a stronger argument that way. > Here's another example--Sohoman is supposed to be a Melbourne, > Australia 1982 concert (which, thankfully, exists as Outback Voices > in the bootleg world). It contains: > > 1) About 5-10 minutes of solo work recorded in the studio. > 2) The first ~35 minutes of the concert turned down to about 60% > volume and then 1999 keyboards played on top at full volume, > counter to the spirit of the original music. > 3) Completely removed the guitar solo from Bondy Parade (a 12 > minute track) and then shortened the track to 8 minutes (without > the guitar, it's a boring track so I don't blame him for reactively > taking the 2nd step). > 4) Added 5 minutes of solo, recorded in the studio. *sigh* Again from the top: 1) *NO* new material intro; it starts as the concert did with just a *slight* change in the opening chord 2) The enitre concert (see below for exception) as performed with some of the overdubs forward prescence due to the difference in timbre, *not* 'turned down to 60% volume'. 2) 'Bondi Parade' has the guitar solo removed and the last 3+ mins. changed to a modern ending. > Do you think either of these accurately represent what was played > in 1982? If by accuracy you mean 'as performed'-then obviously not. But by the *impression* standard you opened your polemic with-then _Sohoman_-yes; Perth-no (with a small caveat.) I'm surprised you left out _Soundmill Navigator_, though. But you already know what my *impression* of that one is, don't you? goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25690 Re: 'Live' recordings Steve Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Piotr Sulkowki II' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: Odp: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Jerzy'K cos Ty i tutaj :) Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium > Hello! > (and sorry for my opinion of this discussion ;)) ) > > But now nobody not convince me that TD has record any his 'live' records on > real live performance. I'm listening to official TD's records very precisely > and very close to bootlegs recording. I'm playing keybords, synthesators, > guitars, percussion too and I known in technical details how to create music > like this . Realy! When I was in 97 on goblin's concert I was very > dissatisfied. Because, without Hahveld's percussion and Perica's guitar, all > material (oups, sorry - only 99% of material ;))) ) has played from VST. Old > Froese sometimes played only acords and make sound effects. It's for me very > disgusting. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25697 Re: 'Live' recordings Lord Rayden Wed 1/17/2001 3 KB 25715 Re: 'Live' recordings Bag Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. 'James Horecka, AIA' wrote: > Wow! I was reintroduced to 'Valley of the Sun' again. Very 'Franke.' Great > track. Also enjoyed 'Vanishing Blue.' > > So here is my question: > > After (admittedly limited) research of net-based discographies, I could not > find other variations of either of these tracks on other CDs. Do they exist? Nope. The tracks on disc 5 of Dream Roots are truly unreleased. They were composed during the latter part of 1985, after Johannes left the band but before Paul joined. They had been shelved for over a decade. And yeah, Valley of the Sun is a really good piece, a must for fans of mid-80s TD. Silver Scale was a piece written for TDs 1980-81 live shows. The first three minutes of it appeared on the Wavelength soundtrack, under the title 'Church Theme'. But a complete version of the original piece has yet to be released in official form (The version on Tangents had some overdubbing). Apart from Tangents, it also appeared on the 'Valentine Wheels' live CD, but this version was performed in 1997, and doesn't have the richness and warmth of the original (IMO). TDI could really mend relations with the fans if they'd put out an undoctored 1981 concert on disc. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Patrick wrote > I haven´t played Fassbinder Memorial since 1989 when I got my first CD, mine > is 12' vinyl, what are we talking about here? Notes out of key, or? > > Regarding Livemiles; of course it´s a great recording, it´s a studio > product! :-))) We are talking bum note and off key in a crucial part of the music. Apart from that good David From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 7:26 pm Subject: Shepherd's Bush Empire Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk priced at £18.50 hope to see you all there. Cheers Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25692 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Hermes Guzman Tue 1/16/2001 2 KB 25700 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Michael A Jean Wed 1/17/2001 3 KB 25693 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Glynn Naughton Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB 25694 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Glynn Naughton Tue 1/16/2001 3 KB 25708 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB 25710 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB 25721 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB 25696 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire James Williams Wed 1/17/2001 3 KB 25701 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Patrik . Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB From: 'Steve' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 7:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings goozer said: > Ricochet_ *was* presented (and advertised) as a live album! It was > edited from basically 3 shows with additional studio overdubs > (notably the drums and the piano intro to pt.2), and is a great > *impression* of the late `74/early `75 shows. I'm sure that when Ricochet was released it was made known that this wasn't a straight-forward concert album but rather an album edited together from various concerts. Whether this fact was mentioned in advertising, press releases or interviews I don't know/can't remember, but I do remember thinking at the time that it seemed a pretty weird way of releasing a live album. Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk/ http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings >From: 'Hermes Guzman' > > > > Instead, he is dusting and fraudulently labeling live concerts > > which are in fact 50% or less impressions of the actual concert. > >'Fraudulently?' Since these releases all contain material >that was *ACTUALLY PERFORMED LIVE* (Perth notwithstanding) where >exactly is the fraud? If the criteria is overdubs and studio >additions to a live concert constitute fraud, then there are almost >*NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. Better expand that >petition drive.... The word Fraud applies to Sohoman, which is 20% Edgar solo, Soundmill Navigator, which is over 30% Edgar solo, and the aforementioned Perth which is over 35% Edgar solo and the rest studio work. At this rate, the next 'concert album' will be 50% Edgar solo with a track from Destination Berlin mixed in to give it that TD flair. Zoning is also fraudulent, in that it doesn't share a single note in common with the 1987 soundtrack for the film (for which I finally have a CDR). Don't you find the labeling of Sohoman offensive? >But it is a vain and fruitless >anger bordering on hypocrasy if when you purchase it you *know* that >they are not the actual shows. For those who stand by their >convictions and refrain from purchasing these items; points for >logical consistency. But then your complaints become those of the >'Coulda, shoulda, woulda' whine variety that *all* fans >engage in from time to time to no real result. I've chosen not to buy Sohoman, i-Box or Soundmill Navigator, instead listening to a friend's copy of each for evaluation purposes. I listened to Seven Letters in a music store and skipped it. I purchased Antique Dreams after a couple of positive notes on this list and I don't regret it. So Edgar has 1 sale from me in the last 2 years, and that's the album where he narrowly hit the 51% un-f***ed Tangerine Dream vintage recording percentage. > > As you mention, 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', > > 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' are not vanilla recordings of each concert. > > > > Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces from > > at least a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a single > > recording of a concert for which no tape exists). > >Ricochet_ *was* presented (and advertised) as a live album! It was >edited from basically 3 shows with additional studio overdubs >(notably the drums and the piano intro to pt.2), and is a great >*impression* of the late `74/early `75 shows. Ech. I forgot it was labeled and presented as Live. Well, I can blame Edgar for recent transgressions, but I guess we have to put it on all the band members (assuming they got involved) for Logos, Ricochet and Encore. > > Encore has 3 tracks taken from the 1977 tour, and then 1 track that > > is mostly from the tour, but has studio dustings THAT ARE > > VINTAGE-ACCURATE (same equipment). > >Ummmm...more than studio dustings, I'm afraid. 'Desert Dream' is >basically a studio creation. It's based on various studio >sessions (including the _Oedips Tyrannus_ material) the band had >lying around. All of the remaining tracks have studio work on them as >well, though they are faithful *impressions* of actual tracks >performed live. Ok. > > Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert > > except it skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage > > (~24 minutes of unreleased material which appeared in The Keep and > > other soundtracks), and nicely improvised Choronzon, Tangent, and > > Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of the guitar work near the end > > of the concert has been dialed down, and the White Eagle and > > Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. > >_Logos_ is the second set of the Dominion show with the first set >opening theme grafted on in place of the 'Mojave Plan' excerpt. >There was *NO* guitar performed at any of the `82 UK Winter shows! Mmkay. So all the guitar sounds were keyboard? Learn something every day! > > Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that > > occured at the Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the concert > > fit on four 22 minute sides (vinyl!). > >_Poland_ was basically re-performed in the studio due to the >aforementioned problems. I've always felt that the side edit >between 'Poland' and 'Tangent' should've been >corrected for the CD release, as it was for _Logos_. Agreed on the Poland-Tangent bridge. I didn't know it was reperformed. I do know that the Poland track mutated quite a bit through 1983, as featured on a Tokyo 83 tape I have. Poland on there has mushroomed to 28 minutes. Honestly, the Warsaw (studio if you will) version is more polished. The same can be said for anyone who has heard the Logos intro as it was played in late 1981. It was 10 minutes before they whittled it down to the polished 5 1/2 minute version on Logos and any other fall 1982 concert. >And I'm with the growing consensus of old fart collectors who >believe there was no afternoon show. Mislabled tapes are the most >likely culprit here (as usual.) Well Hermes, the part that throws me is the White Cloths tape labeled part III. It has a 10 minute passage completely unlike anything I've ever heard. Any opinions? > > You're not getting serious complaints over Ricochet, Encore, Logos, > > and Poland on this list, at least not from me. Sure it would be > > nice if Edgar would release the rest of the pieces from these > > concerts, especially the ~12 hours of unreleased 1977 material > > which SHOULD have no copyright issues unless Virgin has an > > unprecedented 'live performances' ownership clause in the contract. > >They call them *Bootlegs* precisely because the record company owns >the rights to the live performances by bands under contract, >including material performed that has not been released. So that's why Edgar is producing these fictionalized concert recordings and why we'll never see untouched recordings? > > The complaint you are hearing on this list is that Edgar's > > definition of a 'live' release now, in the example of the Perth > > 1982 'concert' as appeared on i-Box, is to: > > > > 1) Perform a 17 minute solo in the studio. > > 2) Bridge this into an exact copy of Mojave Plan from the White > > Eagle master tapes > > 3) Awkwardly bridge this into an exact copy of Convention of the 24 > > from the White Eagle master tapes. > > 4) Tack on a Pinnacles solo recorded in the studio. > >Did some of you actually listen to this disc? The correct order (and >source!) of the tracks is as follows: >1) 'Snake Bath' source (twice as long and different from >_Kamikaze 89_) >2) 'Cryo Lab' bridge from the Freidenskonziert with >'Specific Gravity of Smile' >3) 'Convention of the 24' obscured by overdubs (now >*there's* a title...:)) >4) 'Mojave Plan' studio version with poorly edited intro > >If you're going to offer a critique, then please at least get the >details right first. It helps to present a stronger argument that way. heh. Well, I fast forwarded through most of it. That's for clearing up. > > Here's another example--Sohoman is supposed to be a Melbourne, > > Australia 1982 concert (which, thankfully, exists as Outback Voices > > in the bootleg world). It contains: > > > > 1) About 5-10 minutes of solo work recorded in the studio. > > 2) The first ~35 minutes of the concert turned down to about 60% > > volume and then 1999 keyboards played on top at full volume, > > counter to the spirit of the original music. > > 3) Completely removed the guitar solo from Bondy Parade (a 12 > > minute track) and then shortened the track to 8 minutes (without > > the guitar, it's a boring track so I don't blame him for reactively > > taking the 2nd step). > > 4) Added 5 minutes of solo, recorded in the studio. > >*sigh* Again from the top: >1) *NO* new material intro; it starts as the concert did with just a >*slight* change in the opening chord >2) The enitre concert (see below for exception) as performed with >some of the overdubs forward prescence due to the difference in >timbre, *not* 'turned down to 60% volume'. >2) 'Bondi Parade' has the guitar solo removed and the last 3+ >mins. changed to a modern ending. -Morgan n.p. Valentine Wheels (the bagpipes part!) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25695 Re: 'Live' recordings Hermes Guzman Wed 1/17/2001 8 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 8:51 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: > Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush > Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk > priced at £18.50 hope to see you all there. > Cheers Gary. $@^*%#!!. Now how can I convince my lovely new bride that attending this show would be a perfect birthday gift for me.... goozer (who attended both of the previous SB shows and is seriously jonesing to go back to London!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25700 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Michael A Jean Wed 1/17/2001 3 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 9:38 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: > Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush > Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk > priced at £18.50 hope to see you all there. > Cheers Gary. Wa-hay! Well, I just bought my ticket :-) First time I've bought anything on the Web. It's gonna be strange going to a TD show on a light evening. They usually seem to play in the UK in winter. (Of the 6 TD shows I've seen, 4 were in November and 2 in March.) We should arrange another pre-show get-together as per the legendary 1996 Shepherds Bush show. Glynn From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 9:42 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: > Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush > Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk > priced at £18.50 hope to see you all there. > Cheers Gary. Wa-hay! Just bought my ticket over the Web. It's gonna be strange going to a TD show on a light spring evening; they usually seem to play here in winter. (Of the 6 TD shows I've seen, 4 were in November and 2 in March.) We should arrange a pre-show get-together as per the legandary 1996 Shepherds Bush show. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25708 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB 25710 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB 25721 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 12:14 am Subject: Re: 'Live' recordings > In tadream@egroups.com, 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > >From: 'Hermes Guzman' > > >From: 'Feldon Feldon' > > > > > Instead, he is dusting and fraudulently labeling live concerts > > > which are in fact 50% or less impressions of the actual concert. > > > >'Fraudulently?' Since these releases all contain material > >that was *ACTUALLY PERFORMED LIVE* (Perth notwithstanding) where > >exactly is the fraud? If the criteria is overdubs and studio > >additions to a live concert constitute fraud, then there are almost > >*NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. Better expand that > >petition drive.... > > The word Fraud applies to Sohoman, which is 20% Edgar solo, > Soundmill Navigator, which is over 30% Edgar solo, and the > aforementioned Perth which is over 35% Edgar solo and the rest > studio work. At this rate, the next 'concert album' will be 50% > Edgar solo with a track from Destination Berlin mixed in to give > it that TD flair. Zoning is also fraudulent, in that it doesn't > share a single note in common with the 1987 soundtrack for the > film (for which I finally have a CDR). > > Don't you find the labeling of Sohoman offensive? So we've gone from a '50% Standard' in your first post to a '20% Standard'? No, I don't feel offended by _Sohoman_. And again you miss the point (fine as it is): with the exception of _Perth_ (which meets your 50% standard...) these CDs have the *original concert* included ('Bondi' edit noted.) The 'Edgar solo' material is in *addition* to this, not in place of it (again, 'Bondi' edit noted.) Yes, I freely admit that to some I may be splitting semantic hairs. But given the *complete* history of live releases by TD, I feel I'm on rather solid ground. As for _Zoning_, you are in error there as well. No, it's *not* the original '87 score. But it *is* the new score commissioned for the re- release on video by the film studio! And since nowhere does it claim to be from '87, the fraud is what exaclty? > >But it is a vain and fruitless anger bordering on hypocrasy if > >when you purchase it you *know* that they are not the actual > >shows. For those who stand by their convictions and refrain from > >purchasing these items; points for logical consistency. But then > >your complaints become those of the 'Coulda, shoulda, woulda' > >whine variety that *all* fans engage in from time to time to no > >real result. > > I've chosen not to buy Sohoman, i-Box or Soundmill Navigator, > instead listening to a friend's copy of each for evaluation > purposes. I listened to Seven Letters in a music store and skipped > it. I purchased Antique Dreams after a couple of positive notes on > this list and I don't regret it. So Edgar has 1 sale from me in the > last 2 years, and that's the album where he narrowly hit the 51% > un-f***ed Tangerine Dream vintage recording percentage. Now we're back to the '50% Standard'. Points deducted for failure to maintain logical consistency in your argument. ;) Funny, _AD_ was slightly dissapointing to me (see review.) What about _Seven..._ turned you off? > > > As you mention, 'Ricochet', 'Encore', 'Logos', 'Poland', > > > 'Pergamon', 'LiveMiles' are not vanilla recordings of each > > >concert. > > > > > > Ricochet was never professed as a live concert. It has pieces > > > from at least a dozen concerts over that year (or may be a > > > single recording of a concert for which no tape exists). > > > >Ricochet_ *was* presented (and advertised) as a live album! It was > >edited from basically 3 shows with additional studio overdubs > >(notably the drums and the piano intro to pt.2), and is a great > >*impression* of the late `74/early `75 shows. > > Ech. I forgot it was labeled and presented as Live. Well, I can > blame Edgar for recent transgressions, but I guess we have to put > it on all the band members (assuming they got involved) for Logos, > Ricochet and Encore. On _Ricochet_ the drums were Chris, additional keys overdubed mainly by Peter after he rejoined them. +++++ > > > Logos is a fairly accurate depiction of the October 1982 concert > > > except it skips over the whole of the Logostypes passage > > > (~24 minutes of unreleased material which appeared in The Keep > > > and other soundtracks), and nicely improvised Choronzon, > > > Tangent, and Mojave Plan versions. The intensity of the guitar > > > work near the end of the concert has been dialed down, and the > > > White Eagle and Midnight in Tula encores have been cut. > > > >_Logos_ is the second set of the Dominion show with the first set > >opening theme grafted on in place of the 'Mojave Plan' excerpt. > >There was *NO* guitar performed at any of the `82 UK Winter shows! > > Mmkay. So all the guitar sounds were keyboard? Learn something > every day! The 'guitar sounds' are actually from Johannes. > > > Poland has simply been edited to cover for power outages that > > > occured at the Warsaw 1983 concert, as well as to make the > > > concert fit on four 22 minute sides (vinyl!). > > > >_Poland_ was basically re-performed in the studio due to the > >aforementioned problems. I've always felt that the side edit > >between 'Poland' and 'Tangent' should've been > >corrected for the CD release, as it was for _Logos_. > > Agreed on the Poland-Tangent bridge. I didn't know it was > reperformed. I do know that the Poland track mutated quite a bit > through 1983, as featured on a Tokyo 83 tape I have. Poland on > there has mushroomed to 28 minutes. Honestly, the Warsaw (studio if > you will) version is more polished. The same can be said for anyone > who has heard the Logos intro as it was played in late 1981. It was > 10 minutes before they whittled it down to the polished 5 > 1/2 minute version on Logos and any other fall 1982 concert. The 'Poland' version from the actual Warsaw concert is also 28+ mins. The Tokyo version is essentially the same. > >And I'm with the growing consensus of old fart collectors who > >believe there was no afternoon show. Mislabled tapes are the most > >likely culprit here (as usual.) > > Well Hermes, the part that throws me is the White Cloths tape > labeled part III. It has a 10 minute passage completely unlike > anything I've ever heard. Any opinions? You're not referring to the encore, are you? I don't have the tapes here at work. ++++++ > > > >They call them *Bootlegs* precisely because the record company owns > >the rights to the live performances by bands under contract, > >including material performed that has not been released. > > So that's why Edgar is producing these fictionalized concert > recordings and why we'll never see untouched recordings? Nah. He just wants to mess with our minds!;) There are too many possible explinations as to why we're not getting the goodies. 'Stupid Record Company Tricks' and 'Visionary is my middle name' are leading candidates, however.;) goozer From: 'James Williams' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 10:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire I second this. I remember when being on the cs.uwp.edu mailing list when this was arranged but I didn't make it because of traffic. The meeting took place in the Moon on the Green pub, didn't it? I don't contribute to this list much but it would be great to meet all the frequenters James ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Glynn Naughton' To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:38 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: > Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush > Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk > priced at £18.50 hope to see you all there. > Cheers Gary. Wa-hay! Well, I just bought my ticket :-) First time I've bought anything on the Web. It's gonna be strange going to a TD show on a light evening. They usually seem to play in the UK in winter. (Of the 6 TD shows I've seen, 4 were in November and 2 in March.) We should arrange another pre-show get-together as per the legendary 1996 Shepherds Bush show. Glynn PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Lord Rayden' Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 10:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Live' recordings JerzyK szerzy wlasciwe poglady ! El-Krucjata rozpoczela sie :) Go 3N Go ! Rayden , > > Jerzy'K cos Ty i tutaj :) > > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. Millennium > > > Hello! > > (and sorry for my opinion of this discussion ;)) ) > > > > But now nobody not convince me that TD has record any his 'live' records > on > > real live performance. I'm listening to official TD's records very > precisely > > and very close to bootlegs recording. I'm playing keybords, > synthesators, > > guitars, percussion too and I known in technical details how to create > music > > like this . Realy! When I was in 97 on goblin's concert I was very > > dissatisfied. Because, without Hahveld's percussion and Perica's guitar, > all > > material (oups, sorry - only 99% of material ;))) ) has played from VST. > Old > > Froese sometimes played only acords and make sound effects. It's for me > very > > disgusting. > > > , > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25715 Re: 'Live' recordings Bag Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 3:05 am Subject: Fw: [beyond_em] Live Miles ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Frank Arellano' To: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 10:12 AM Subject: [beyond_em] Live Miles > > > You know I've been thinking about Live Miles and what I've been thinking > about is that I've heard it been said that the concert in Albuquerque was > with an introduction in the Spanish language. I kind of find it hard to > believe it, because I grew up there and even though Spanish is pretty common > there, English is the primary language. Hermes or you Steve [or anyone > else], I seem to recall that you guys said that you actually went to the > concert there in 86', can you tell me which venue it was played at and why > Spanish would have been spoken. > > > The Mini Moog will cut through concrete. > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 3:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings >From: 'Hermes Guzman' > > >So we've gone from a '50% Standard' in your first post to a '20% >Standard'? No, I don't feel offended by _Sohoman_. And again you miss >the point (fine as it is): with the exception of _Perth_ (which meets >your 50% standard...) these CDs have the *original concert* included >('Bondi' edit noted.) The 'Edgar solo' material is in *addition* to >this, not in place of it (again, 'Bondi' edit noted.) Yes, I freely >admit that to some I may be splitting semantic hairs. But given the >*complete* history of live releases by TD, I feel I'm on rather solid >ground. At this point I've argued too much and just clouded the list beyond any semblence of TD fandom. I was thinking of that driving home. It seems as if every time I try to take some measure or steps to pull back from the TD bashing, I get drawn further into it. A lack of self-discipline or tact I suppose. >As for _Zoning_, you are in error there as well. No, it's *not* the >original '87 score. But it *is* the new score commissioned for the re- >release on video by the film studio! And since nowhere does it claim >to be from '87, the fraud is what exaclty? I was not aware that it was for a re-release of the movie. It's still a boring release. The title and end themes, composed largely by Jerome if my knowledge of his composing style is worth a shit, are the saving graces. Then again, the 1987 soundtrack wasn't that great either to be real honest. > > I've chosen not to buy Sohoman, i-Box or Soundmill Navigator, > > instead listening to a friend's copy of each for evaluation > > purposes. I listened to Seven Letters in a music store and skipped > > it. I purchased Antique Dreams after a couple of positive notes on > > this list and I don't regret it. So Edgar has 1 sale from me in the > > last 2 years, and that's the album where he narrowly hit the 51% > > un-f***ed Tangerine Dream vintage recording percentage. > >Now we're back to the '50% Standard'. Points deducted for failure to >maintain logical consistency in your argument. ;) I wasn't aware that there was some responsibility on my shoulders to impress someone or have a strong debate point. I'm not trying to win the gold trophy in anything. And the 50% thing is how I decide on this concert stuff. To me, Sohoman, Soundmill Navigator, and Perth contain less than 50% undoctored material. >Funny, _AD_ was slightly dissapointing to me (see review.) Well, Edgar thought he could stomach his distaste with the old material long enough to produce Antique Dreams, but he could not. At the last minute the scope changed to include quite a bit of 1986+ material. There's just enough on there (51%) that I don't feel I wasted the money. >What about _Seven..._ turned you off? Not interested in an entire CD of what amounts to what are normally bridges during TD concerts. I stood in a music store (Soundwaves) and listened to the majority of it. > > >There was *NO* guitar performed at any of the `82 UK Winter shows! > > > > Mmkay. So all the guitar sounds were keyboard? Learn something > > every day! > >The 'guitar sounds' are actually from Johannes. So it was his decision to scale back the wildness of the performance and cut out passages near the end of the concert? So I guess Johannes is a revisionist as well. >The 'Poland' version from the actual Warsaw concert is also 28+ mins. >The Tokyo version is essentially the same. It's only 17 minutes on the Poland CD. So the Poland CD is a lot less like the actual concert than I believed. Hrmmph. Well, as hypocritical (flame away!) as it may seem, I've grown rather attached to the version they released on CD, as crippled/edited/tangentized/watered-down as it may be. The playing of Tokyo compared to the playing on the CD release of Poland are night-and-day different to my ears. This is why I want to just pull out of this god damn argument. I'm honestly getting so worn out on TD with all this I might unsubscribe. I'd be hell on wheels if I joined the Star Wars mailing list! My unsubscription (?) from this list has already been called for a few times in the past. I also know that if people judged me solely from their exposure to me on this list, I wouldn't blame them for having serious prejudices. I'm an asshole mostly online. In real life, it's a bit of a different story. > > Well Hermes, the part that throws me is the White Cloths tape > > labeled part III. It has a 10 minute passage completely unlike > > anything I've ever heard. Any opinions? > >You're not referring to the encore, are you? I don't have the tapes >here at work. No. Listen to 28:44-45:30 on White Cloths III. I've never heard any other 01.31.81 tape sound like this. Then again I've shown my limited knowledge quite a bit now haven't I, so I may be off my rocker here too... > > >They call them *Bootlegs* precisely because the record company owns > > >the rights to the live performances by bands under contract, > > >including material performed that has not been released. > > > > So that's why Edgar is producing these fictionalized concert > > recordings and why we'll never see untouched recordings? > >Nah. He just wants to mess with our minds!;) Then I stand by my original statement a few weeks ago. Edgar should not bother. Just leave the concerts in the vaults, rather than tainting their good names. Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 4:01 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Maybe I can do the same... ;^) (I mean convince MY new wife....) MJ > > $@^*%#!!. Now how can I convince my lovely new bride that attending > this show would be a perfect birthday gift for me.... > > goozer (who attended both of the previous SB shows and is seriously > jonesing to go back to London!) > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Patrik .' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 9:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Empire Great news! I´m all set. Got my confirmation 2 minutes ago. See you all there! Patrik, Stockholm _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Jared White' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 6:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' > This is why I want to just pull out of this god damn argument. I'm honestly > getting so worn out on TD with all this I might unsubscribe. I'd be hell on > wheels if I joined the Star Wars mailing list! My unsubscription (?) from > this list has already been called for a few times in the past. I also know > that if people judged me solely from their exposure to me on this list, I > wouldn't blame them for having serious prejudices. I'm an asshole mostly > online. In real life, it's a bit of a different story. I understand completely. Sometimes I worry that I come across as a complete jerk on mailing lists since I tend not to post stuff unless I get 'ticked off' by something I come across and jump into an argument. I just don't have the time and energy to chit-chat and chew the fat most of the time, but somehow I manage to find the time to argue with somebody. ;) You know, if you want to pull out of this argument, just do it! No one's forcing you to write anything. I'd hate to see you go for good 'cause you got sick of a discussion. BTW, much as I hate to admit it, I've been agreeing with a lot of what you've been saying lately. I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that Edgar's been suffering from the talent but no taste syndrome the past few years. How he can do some brilliant stuff and almost at the same time put out utter s**t is beyond me. Frustrating, to say the least. Anyway, I wish you luck no matter what you end up doing, and, folks, perhaps we can move on to some other subjects at this point? This discussion's startin' ta irritate me. :) Take care, Jared From: 'Greg' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings I really do agree with you, I mean how can we justify the things TD is doing now, I mean honestly has the artist become so involved in making money that he/they will release old concert material that are really studio releases and rewrite (tangentize) musical material right over lower volume concert material? It seems TD is using these releases of material with incredibly low originally unreleased content to finance their endeavors of original new material not many people seem to want to buy. It may seem like a hole-in-one to make money but as good as these concert recordings sound for me (a person who does not trade concerts and such), I have to hold back and ask myself, what am I really going to get that isn't just marketing tricks? We need people on this list who at least tell it straight. I know what live is.. gosh.. Greg H > This is why I want to just pull out of this god damn argument. I'm honestly > getting so worn out on TD with all this I might unsubscribe. I'd be hell on > wheels if I joined the Star Wars mailing list! My unsubscription (?) from > this list has already been called for a few times in the past. I also know > that if people judged me solely from their exposure to me on this list, I > wouldn't blame them for having serious prejudices. I'm an asshole mostly > online. In real life, it's a bit of a different story. > Morgan From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 2:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire We should arrange a pre-show get-together as per the legandary 1996 Shepherds Bush show. Glynn ====== I'm in From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 12:32 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Hi all, Yeah, I was there, but as I didn't have Internet at the time, I didn't know any of you! Now I'm hoping that the rumours of them playing in France are true... Paul ---------- >De : 'Glynn Naughton' >À : tadream@egroups.com >Objet : [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire >Date : Mar 16 jan 2001 22:42 > > --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: >> Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S > Bush >> Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk >> priced at £18.50 hope to see you all there. >> Cheers Gary. > > Wa-hay! Just bought my ticket over the Web. It's gonna be strange > going to a TD show on a light spring evening; they usually seem to > play here in winter. (Of the 6 TD shows I've seen, 4 were in November > and 2 in March.) > > We should arrange a pre-show get-together as per the legandary 1996 > Shepherds Bush show. > > Glynn > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 2:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire . (Of the 6 TD shows I've seen, 4 were in November and 2 in March.) Hammersmith 1978 by any chance From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 9:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Empire £18.50 Blimey Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk priced at £18.50 hope to see you all there. Cheers Gary. From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Glynn Naughton' wrote: > > > We should arrange a pre-show get-together as per the legandary 1996 > Shepherds Bush show. > > Glynn Hi Glynn I am in on this there will be three of us going my mate and his wife, I could not persuade my mrs she hates them. Cheers Gary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25710 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Wed 1/17/2001 2 KB 25721 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 5:59 pm Subject: RE: Kiva Livemiles Hey Dreamers, Where's goozer! I was there at the Kiva in Albuquerque on time for the intro, in the archives are many vivid recollections. I suspect the spanish intro was to pull a little across the border mystery from the country the spanish conquered (maybe a Dali connection ;) ), what would have been really cool was if they dug deep instead of reaching and put a Hopi, Navajo or some other native intro. Why be real we live in dreamland, on the dreamlist, the same dream over and over with different clothes. My apologies to the sane. It is really beautiful outside sunny (again) and the wind is blowing gently, no birds crusing the thermal on the hills yet. And, I have to make the software talk to the hardware, suck. I have noticed redeaming qualities in disk 5 and 6 of the I-Box, how wierd. I really think the tape trees of the 90's for all those unreleased concert tapes, remastered for CDR was a great achievement. The web of cooperation across the world was way cool, much like our tribute CD. Sea of Dream and the Real Dream Encores maxed out, my smile was huge, the warm joy inside immense. Was the tree a bad thing, my branch made it to 76, did any of you all out there on a CDR tree make it further. Anyone into growing our own tree. Later, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25712 Re: Kiva Livemiles Hermes Guzman Thu 1/18/2001 3 KB 25713 Re: Kiva Livemiles Frank Arellano Thu 1/18/2001 4 KB 25726 Re: Kiva Livemiles Whiteley, Steve Thu 1/18/2001 3 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire >Hi Glynn I am in on this there will be three of us going my mate and >his wife, I could not persuade my mrs she hates them. >Cheers Gary TD or your mate and his wife??? ;) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25721 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Thu 1/18/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 8:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings Feldon Feldon wrote: > I'm honestly getting so worn out on TD with all this I might unsubscribe. I've threathened the same thing in the past too. Sometimes, it seems like all I do on this list is complain, and I'm sure that this irritates a lot of people (particularly those who think everything the band does is automatically a work of genius). But the thing is, I'm not trying to bait people...I complain because I care. If I didn't care, I would have packed up and left a long time ago. I still like TD, and am just trying to compell them to help them help themselves. Ultimately, they rely on their fans for support, and I see that many fans aren't happy with what they're doing. So I encourage fans who *are* upset to vote with their wallets...i.e., not buy their stuff. That's the only way to get them to change. The other thing is, this is the only forum where fans can warn each other if the latest TDI release is another stinker, another Frankenstein's monster of overdubbing...or whether it's the real deal. We're obviously not getting the straight goods from TDI. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:51 pm Subject: Re: Kiva Livemiles --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Whiteley, Steve' wrote: > Hey Dreamers, > > Where's goozer! I was there at the Kiva in Albuquerque on time for > the intro, in the archives are many vivid recollections. I suspect > the spanish intro was to pull a little across the border mystery > from the country the spanish conquered (maybe a Dali connection ;) ) > [...] Here I am. I was amongst the first 20 people in the door. I wanted to be sure that I had a chance to see the stage before the show, not to mention not wanting to miss a single note. One of the funny moments from that evening was overhearing some dude stage-whispering 'Look at all the pseudo-intellectuals!' to his buddy as they walked to their seats. That is an exact quote. So there is no doubt to what follows: THERE WAS *NO* INTRO AT THE KIVA SHOW!! As I've *repeatedly* affirmed over the years as this question comes up: NOT ONE SINGLE SECOND OF _LIVEMILES: 'ALBUQUERQUE'_ IS FROM THE ACTUAL SHOW!! Were 'recreational pharmaceuticals' a part of these vivid recollections? ;) goozer From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Kiva Livemiles Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in it, but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of the Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa Fe some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for acoustics. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Whiteley, Steve' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: [tadream] RE: Kiva Livemiles > Hey Dreamers, > > Where's goozer! I was there at the Kiva in Albuquerque on time for the > intro, in the archives are many vivid recollections. I suspect the spanish > intro was to pull a little across the border mystery from the country the > spanish conquered (maybe a Dali connection ;) ), what would have been really > cool was if they dug deep instead of reaching and put a Hopi, Navajo or some > other native intro. Why be real we live in dreamland, on the dreamlist, the > same dream over and over with different clothes. My apologies to the sane. > > It is really beautiful outside sunny (again) and the wind is blowing gently, > no birds crusing the thermal on the hills yet. And, I have to make the > software talk to the hardware, suck. I have noticed redeaming qualities in > disk 5 and 6 of the I-Box, how wierd. > > I really think the tape trees of the 90's for all those unreleased concert > tapes, remastered for CDR was a great achievement. The web of cooperation > across the world was way cool, much like our tribute CD. Sea of Dream and > the Real Dream Encores maxed out, my smile was huge, the warm joy inside > immense. Was the tree a bad thing, my branch made it to 76, did any of you > all out there on a CDR tree make it further. Anyone into growing our own > tree. > > Later, > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 12:23 am Subject: ES #9 Hey, For those into TD spotting, I'd like to mention that the latest TD news is featured in the new release of Electronic Shadows, available at http://www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows/ I suspect there is nothing there you dont already know but just in case someone subscribed here yesterday, it could be worth checking out :-) (No TD reviews this time) Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows (new version!) www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: Bag Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 2:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Lord wrote: > JerzyK szerzy wlasciwe poglady ! El-Krucjata rozpoczela sie :) Go 3N Go ! > Rayden > , >> >> Jerzy'K cos Ty i tutaj :) Hey guys, English only, please :)). Bag [ http://tadream.ac.pl/ ] From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 4:23 am Subject: Re: live albums <<'Fraudulently?' Since these releases all contain material that was *ACTUALLY PERFORMED LIVE* (Perth notwithstanding) where exactly is the fraud? If the criteria is overdubs and studio additions to a live concert constitute fraud, then there are almost *NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. >> You must not be familiar with the following albums: Dire Straits: Alchemy Deep Purple: Made In Japan Yes: Yessongs Pink Floyd: Ummagumma The Who: Live At Leeds Frank Zappa: most of the You Can't Do That Onstage Anymore set (I think Frank admitted he had to overdub the drums on one track, and there's like two studio tracks in there someplace) The Grateful Dead: Live/Dead, Hundred Year Hall, One From The Vault, and Two From The Vault (as well as the entire Dick's Picks series) Allman Brothers Band: Live At The Fillmore East, Wipe The Windows Check The Oil Dollar Gas, An Evening With The Allman Brothers Band, and Second Set Hawkwind: Space Ritual The Byrds: Unissued Eric Johnson: Live And Beyond (he said in Guitar Player that there are overdubs on the last track, and he 'fixed some intonation problems' on the guitar part on one track, the rest of it is just as it was performed onstage) Santana: Lotus Black Sabbath: Live At Last Uriah Heep: Live 73 Gov't Mule: Live With A Little Help From Our Friends (the collector's edition features some rather innovative 'remixing' techniques, as far as I know, to get around some gremlins that occurred during the recording of this one show, but there were no actual overdubs, as such). and that's all I can think of that I'm positive consists of pristine, virgin, non-overdubbed material. Yeah, it has become an unfortunate fact of the 'biz' in the last two decades that live albums will have post-production work done on them (Tony Visconti, Thin Lizzy's late 70's producer, claims that the only thing that wasn't overdubbed on Live And Dangerous is the drums and the audience noise). It's a shame, really, because a lot of bands really put on amazing shows, but they're so nitpicky when they do a live album, they can't be bothered to leave a sloppy drum fill, or the rough around the edges vocal harmonies as they are. What sucks is something like the above mentioned Thin Lizzy album, where they allegedly had something five shows from two different tours to pick material from, and they still found it necessary to do a virtual complete 're-enactment'. I mean, ok, I can understand if they had only two shows to work from, and one night Phil Lynott had no voice and the other night Scott Gorham's guitar amp started making funny noises or whatever, but when you have FIVE COMPLETE SHOWS to choose from, you'd think you'd be able to piece together 77 minutes of solid rock music, without relying too heavily on overdubs, if at all. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 8:43 am Subject: Re: live albums <> Not all of them. A few of them are taken from more than one show. One is a 3 CD compiled from a three night run in London in September of 74 (wish they had made it a four CD, they left out some good psychedelic music that happened at one of those shows), while another contains the entire second set and encores from two consecutive shows from June of 74 (one from Boston, the other from Providence, Rhode Island). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: fstephe@a... Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 2:16 pm Subject: Canyon Dreams Sessions Hello everybody, I'm sure this has been answered before but I'd like to get an answer to this question. I have been listening to the Canyon Dreams Session Tape of Rough Cuts. My question is: Where did these pieces of music end up getting used? Did all of them end up on official commercial releases? Thanks, Frank From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 3:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 767 I was at the Kiva in 86, as well, and I can testify that the intro never happened. THe kiva is downtown, not near the University. The accoustics that night were fantastic. Livemiles is fiction in comparison to what was played at the concert. Paul Haslinger even admitted it to me once when I ran into him at some computer trade show in Los Angeles (very friendly guy). I used to see him hanging around the Tower Records on Ventura blvd. there a lot. Anyway, the show was great, but it's not the recording. I recently received a fan tape that proves it. The fan tape is exactly what I remember. As for the post that claimed we, by complaining on this list and not buying new cds as a form of protest, I think you miss the point of TD. They are not commercially driven in terms of musical direction. As for the constant repackagings, I find it particularly disappointing to expect ibox to have a cd of new material, only to find it's mislabeled old material. That's a stinker. But come on, the Ibox is 6 CDs of material that I got for $32. How can you complain about the value there? My biggest beef is the mislabeling of material, or giving something a new name when it's an old track. That should be criminal. I hope TD gets out of the recent rut and I'm anxious to hear TD Mix3. TDMix 1 was wonderful. -Aslanfan1 In a message dated 1/18/01 1:40:37 PM, tadream@egroups.com writes: << Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in it, but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of the Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa Fe some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for acoustics. >> From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 6:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: live albums Chris Richards wrote: > If the criteria is overdubs and studio additions to a live concert constitute > fraud, then there are almost *NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. ?? Yes, I accept this. Most live albums undergo a certain amount of sprucing up in the studio. But what all of us critics keep reiterating is that most of this 'sprucing' usually gets done concurrently with the original recording, and thus the music still provides a more or less accurate document of what the band sounded like at a certain phase of their history. That's what the fans are after, is it not? TD's current obsession with revisionism is destroying the integrity of the music. But hey, if an artist can't restrain themselves from breaking into the gallery to touch up their work, so be it. Where my own complaints begin is that TDI is not being up front about the fact that these drastic changes are taking place (in fact, in the case of Soundmill Navigator, we were given wrong information...word right from TDI was that the album was being released undoctored, and that proved to be false). Their website is outrageously short on details, and obscenely long on gushing press releases. And I maintain that this is because they're trying to trick fans into buying this stuff. But, to paraphrase an old saying: 'make a fool of me once, shame on you. Make a fool of me twice, shame on me.' Now, I know that my opinion on all of this is a selfish one (even though I know there are others on this list who feel the same way). I suppose there really might just be a group of TD fans out there who think everything they're doing with their old live recordings is just fabulous. And if enough of them continue to vote with their wallets, I guess there's no hope that things will change. Or it could just be that TDI intends to release doctored versions of all their shows, and then, a few years later, re-release them in undoctored form as 'classic editions', thus compelling the faithful to buy the same albums twice. Given their penchant for changing their cover art every couple of years, that wouldn't surprise me. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 6:59 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire --- In tadream@egroups.com, Rolf Elfström wrote: > >Hi Glynn I am in on this there will be three of us going my mate and > >his wife, I could not persuade my mrs she hates them. > >Cheers Gary > > TD or your mate and his wife??? She hates everybody only joking I am afraid it's TD, she prefers Shania Twain I like her too but for different reasons it's those powerful thighs. Cheers Gary. ;) From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Ricochet >I'm sure that when Ricochet was released it was made known that this wasn't >a straight-forward concert album but rather an album edited together from >various concerts. Whether this fact was mentioned in advertising, press >releases or interviews I don't know/can't remember, but I do remember >thinking at the time that it seemed a pretty weird way of releasing a live >album. Actually they did even advertise the fact that it was 'compiled from over 20 hours of taped material', bigtime. If I look back at the official live albums from that era in my collection (yeah, that's how old I am :-), very, very few would list specific locations. I found it completely normal (though, regrettable) that live albums were usually a 'best of the tour' collection. Heck, I guess that's still so ! (Again, not that I like the fact!) As to what's live and what not on Ricochet, we'll never be sure. TD and their equipment wouldn't perform the same music twice exactly the same way in those days, and only a few fragments of concerts are documented on fan tapes. cheers, klaus From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 6:33 pm Subject: Live Miles >>And not one minute of Livemiles was played live, as is, in 1986/87. > >Don't get me started on this again (although 'Caspian Sea' and >'Velvet Autumn/Sunnyvale' are fairly accurate *impressions* of two >themes from the Berlin show.) Hermes, this is _not_ meant at you personally, but from time to time one fact needs repetition: Many, if not most, people discussing this subject draw the comparison between Berlin part of Live Miles and the WDR radio broadcast (which was the base for Antarktis and 20th Century Serenades). This broadcast was from an already-doctored tape, for the well-known copyright reasons. So, for the really scientific minded, get the audience live tape for comparison! The sound is not bad at all, except that you hear a lot of the audience as well ;-) cheers, klaus From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 5:31 am Subject: Shepherds Bush Empire Got my confirmation of ticket. Yeah, I look forward to meeting you before the concert. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 7:34 pm Subject: live albums Talking of live albums, does anyone know if Banco de Gaia live at Glastonbury is overdubed or virgin? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 7:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Kiva Livemiles Message: 12 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:16:21 -0700 From: 'Frank Arellano' Subject: Re: RE: Kiva Livemiles Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in it, but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of the Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa Fe some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for acoustics. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 8:04 pm Subject: Shepherds Bush > >Hi Glynn I am in on this there will be three of us going my mate and > >his wife, I could not persuade my mrs she hates them. > >Cheers Gary > > TD or your mate and his wife??? >She hates everybody only joking I am afraid it's TD, she prefers >Shania Twain I like her too but for different reasons it's those >powerful thighs. >Cheers Gary. ;) Ha! Reminds me of one of my all-time favourite quotes, courtesy of Jerry Sadowitz: 'I only have two hates: living things and objects.' In terms of the pre-show get-together, in think we can organise that one pretty easily, even 4 months in advance. Just turn up at the Moon on the Green Pub (couple of minutes' walk from the venue) some time in the afternoon. See you then. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25820 Shepherds Bush David Foster Sat 1/27/2001 2 KB 25840 Re: Shepherds Bush James Williams Tue 1/30/2001 3 KB 25889 Shepherds Bush David Foster Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25890 Re: Shepherds Bush Gary Jenkins Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25893 Re: Shepherds Bush - Rainer will be there Rainer Rutka Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25895 Re: Shepherds Bush Matthew Stringer Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25916 Re: Shepherds Bush horrod6@n... Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB 25891 Re: Shepherds Bush Thenite0wl@a... Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25906 Re: Shepherds Bush Brian Stewart Sun 2/4/2001 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. >===== Original Message From Sean Montgomery ===== >Nope. The tracks on disc 5 of Dream Roots are truly unreleased. They were >composed during the latter part of 1985, after Johannes left the band but before >Paul joined. They had been shelved for over a decade. And yeah, Valley of the >Sun is a really good piece, a must for fans of mid-80s TD. Speaking of which, is anybody aware of 'edits' of VoTS? I taped this piece off a friend a couple of years ago and subsequently misplaced the tape (it's not lost yet!). I seem to remember this piece being in the 15 minute range lengthwise. When I look for it on Napster, I find versions that are about 7 and 10 minutes in length. What's the deal with these? Are these promo versions or something? Gabe ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 8:27 pm Subject: RE: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey morgan Message: 12 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:16:21 -0700 From: 'Frank Arellano' Subject: Re: RE: Kiva Livemiles >Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome >shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in it, >but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of the >Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa Fe >some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for >acoustics. I think the Kiva where TD played was part of the Convention Center area, probably held around 2,000 people the seats were plush and the isles were big enough to have someone walk down without moving your feet. When we bought our tickets they just pulled out a big stack, we found 4 in a row, 4th row center. The bass was awesome. The Kiva auditorium on the campus is a different place, but beautiful to look at, never been inside. I sure would enjoy a nice southwest thunder storm, the bass is awesome, the sunset rainbow mesa light show is the best. So what about the tree, just a bunch of dead wood laying around, large private forests. I have a modest garden started and I'm willing to trade my seeds. Just to jump start the fan tape discussion, what are your favorite? Why? 1)Sea of Dreams fan tape collection 6 CD's of wonderfully remastered fan tapes from the 70's to 90's 2)Real Dream Encores hit my sweet spot for the 75 to early 80's selections 3)Kiva 86 I really liked the song selection of the 86 tour, I was there Livemiles was not. 4)Montreal 77 Another great moment for touring TD, some of my favorite TD moments 5)Santa Monica 80 I wasn't there but should have been, the year TD changed my music tastes forever. 6)Newcastle 81 Hey Morgan, what are your favorite fan tapes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25734 Re: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey mor Frank Arellano Fri 1/19/2001 4 KB 25735 Re: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey mor j.gordon Fri 1/19/2001 4 KB From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 9:15 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Let's hope they play something new and not a load of warmed-over studio recordings like usual! Gary. --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: > Hi to all you UK members It's offical TD live at the Shepherd'S Bush > Empire on May 12th ticket's on sale on line at www.ticketweb.co.uk > priced at £18.50 hope to see you all there. > Cheers Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25736 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Matthew Stringer Fri 1/19/2001 2 KB 25738 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire gnmorgan@b... Fri 1/19/2001 2 KB 25759 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Matthew Stringer Mon 1/22/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Valley of the Sun' question, etc. Valley of the Sun is indeed around 15 minutes long. I suspect the 7 minutes versions you see on Napster are just incomplete mp3 files. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Scott' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: Re: 'Live' recordings Getting back to the original intent of this subject, I have to disagree with Chris Richards. I can't stand it when bands pick individual songs from different shows to put on a live album. I would much rather have a live album represent one show, like Pergamon, Logos, Poland, 220 Volt, Tournado & Valentine Wheels. I think the Dead did it best with the Dick's Picks series, although some of them are not only from one show either. Scott From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 10:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Live' recordings >From: 'Scott' > >Getting back to the original intent of this subject, I have to disagree >with >Chris Richards. I can't stand it when bands pick individual songs from >different shows to put on a live album. I would much rather have a live >album represent one show, like Pergamon, Logos, Poland, 220 Volt, Tournado >& >Valentine Wheels. I think the Dead did it best with the Dick's Picks >series, >although some of them are not only from one show either. I think we've seen that, except for Tournado, 220 Volt, and Valentine Wheels, the other 3 you mention can't really be considered concerts either. :( -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 12:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey morgan Looks like you're blatantly missing Electronic Orgy, Steve. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Whiteley, Steve' To: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: [tadream] RE: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey morgan > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:16:21 -0700 > From: 'Frank Arellano' > Subject: Re: RE: Kiva Livemiles > > >Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome > >shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in it, > >but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of > the > >Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa > Fe > >some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for > >acoustics. > > I think the Kiva where TD played was part of the Convention Center area, > probably held around 2,000 people the seats were plush and the isles were > big enough to have someone walk down without moving your feet. When we > bought our tickets they just pulled out a big stack, we found 4 in a row, > 4th row center. The bass was awesome. The Kiva auditorium on the campus is a > different place, but beautiful to look at, never been inside. I sure would > enjoy a nice southwest thunder storm, the bass is awesome, the sunset > rainbow mesa light show is the best. > > So what about the tree, just a bunch of dead wood laying around, large > private forests. I have a modest garden started and I'm willing to trade my > seeds. > > Just to jump start the fan tape discussion, what are your favorite? Why? > > 1)Sea of Dreams fan tape collection > 6 CD's of wonderfully remastered fan tapes from the 70's to 90's > 2)Real Dream Encores > hit my sweet spot for the 75 to early 80's selections > 3)Kiva 86 > I really liked the song selection of the 86 tour, I was there > Livemiles was not. > 4)Montreal 77 > Another great moment for touring TD, some of my favorite TD moments > 5)Santa Monica 80 > I wasn't there but should have been, the year TD changed my music > tastes forever. > 6)Newcastle 81 > > Hey Morgan, what are your favorite fan tapes. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 8:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey morgan i think that is because EO isn't a fan TAPE collection... it's a singles collection... :) j.gordon --- Frank Arellano wrote: > Looks like you're blatantly missing Electronic Orgy, Steve. :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Whiteley, Steve' > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:27 PM > Subject: [tadream] RE: kiva, tree seeds, favorite fan tapes, hey morgan > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:16:21 -0700 > > From: 'Frank Arellano' > > Subject: Re: RE: Kiva Livemiles > > > > >Hey Steve, isn't the Kiva the one at the University Of New Mexico, dome > > >shaped and slightly underground? If that's the one, I've never been in > it, > > >but did see it in passing when I attended UNM. What's your estimation of > > the > > >Kiva's capacity? My brother and sister saw Yanni play there and in Santa > > Fe > > >some years back. I would imagine having a dome shape would be great for > > >acoustics. > > > > I think the Kiva where TD played was part of the Convention Center area, > > probably held around 2,000 people the seats were plush and the isles were > > big enough to have someone walk down without moving your feet. When we > > bought our tickets they just pulled out a big stack, we found 4 in a row, > > 4th row center. The bass was awesome. The Kiva auditorium on the campus is > a > > different place, but beautiful to look at, never been inside. I sure would > > enjoy a nice southwest thunder storm, the bass is awesome, the sunset > > rainbow mesa light show is the best. > > > > So what about the tree, just a bunch of dead wood laying around, large > > private forests. I have a modest garden started and I'm willing to trade > my > > seeds. > > > > Just to jump start the fan tape discussion, what are your favorite? Why? > > > > 1)Sea of Dreams fan tape collection > > 6 CD's of wonderfully remastered fan tapes from the 70's to 90's > > 2)Real Dream Encores > > hit my sweet spot for the 75 to early 80's selections > > 3)Kiva 86 > > I really liked the song selection of the 86 tour, I was there > > Livemiles was not. > > 4)Montreal 77 > > Another great moment for touring TD, some of my favorite TD moments > > 5)Santa Monica 80 > > I wasn't there but should have been, the year TD changed my music > > tastes forever. > > 6)Newcastle 81 > > > > Hey Morgan, what are your favorite fan tapes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 9:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25738 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire gnmorgan@b... Fri 1/19/2001 2 KB 25759 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Matthew Stringer Mon 1/22/2001 2 KB From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 7:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Live' recordings Hi, 'I Ty Brutusie przeciwko mnie' I sent You pack. Now I reflect whether I should not shovel :)))))) Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium > Lord wrote: > > > JerzyK szerzy wlasciwe poglady ! El-Krucjata rozpoczela sie :) Go 3N Go ! > > > Rayden > >> Jerzy'K cos Ty i tutaj :) > Hey guys, English only, please :)). > > Bag From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 6:40 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not to the exclusion of everything else. Gary. -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer wrote: > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25759 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Matthew Stringer Mon 1/22/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 8:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Oh..., well if that's the case Gary, let me dig out of my trash can some Kraftwerk that I just chucked out. :-) Since you ain't takin' the Mrs., maybe you can take me instead :-) Our wives can stay behind and keep each other company bad mouthing our music together. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire > I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not to the > exclusion of everything else. > > Gary. > > -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer > wrote: > > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25742 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Gary Jenkins Sat 1/20/2001 3 KB 25746 Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire gnmorgan@b... Sat 1/20/2001 3 KB From: 'Eberly DE (Daniel)' Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: How to get fan tapes Question: What are these fan tapes on CD (CDR I guess). How can I get these? --Dan Steve Whiteley wrote: So what about the tree, just a bunch of dead wood laying around, large private forests. I have a modest garden started and I'm willing to trade my seeds. Just to jump start the fan tape discussion, what are your favorite? Why? 1)Sea of Dreams fan tape collection 6 CD's of wonderfully remastered fan tapes from the 70's to 90's 2)Real Dream Encores hit my sweet spot for the 75 to early 80's selections 3)Kiva 86 I really liked the song selection of the 86 tour, I was there Livemiles was not. 4)Montreal 77 Another great moment for touring TD, some of my favorite TD moments 5)Santa Monica 80 I wasn't there but should have been, the year TD changed my music tastes forever. 6)Newcastle 81 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25741 Re: How to get fan tapes Joe Shoults Fri 1/19/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jan 19, 2001 9:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] How to get fan tapes Discussing the fan tapes/bootlegs is fantastic. Please conduct trading activities off-list. Thnaks, Joe List Moderator -----Original Message----- From: Eberly DE (Daniel) [mailto:eberlyde@u...] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 4:10 PM To: 'tadream@egroups.com' Subject: [tadream] How to get fan tapes Question: What are these fan tapes on CD (CDR I guess). How can I get these? --Dan Steve Whiteley wrote: So what about the tree, just a bunch of dead wood laying around, large private forests. I have a modest garden started and I'm willing to trade my seeds. Just to jump start the fan tape discussion, what are your favorite? Why? From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 9:42 am Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Hi Frank I think you are getting you Gary's muddled, I am the one not taking the Mrs, the other talking about techno is Gary Morgan,personally I don't care what they play just want to see them live again after A 11 year drought for me. Cheers Gary J. > Oh..., well if that's the case Gary, let me dig out of my trash can some > Kraftwerk that I just chucked out. :-) Since you ain't takin' the Mrs., > maybe you can take me instead :-) Our wives can stay behind and keep each > other company bad mouthing our music together. :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:40 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire > > > > I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not to the > > exclusion of everything else. > > > > Gary. > > > > -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer > > wrote: > > > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 10:24 am Subject: Re Shepherd's Bush Theatre I would like them to play Silver Scale and Waterborne. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Chris Richards Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 10:44 am Subject: Re: live albums < If the criteria is overdubs and studio additions to a live concert constitute > fraud, then there are almost *NO* live albums to speak of in the rock world. ??>> No I didn't! I quoted the above item, then listed live albums that don't fit the above description (at least, the respective artists claim the respective 'live' albums are indeed live recordings with no overdubs). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: Chris Richards Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 11:20 am Subject: Re: live albums <> Depends on whether the liner notes tell you which songs are from which shows or not. For instance, Live At The Fillmore East by the Allman Bros, Irish Tour by Rory Gallagher, and Rush's All The World's A Stage name venues and cities where the shows were recorded (and all but Irish Tour give dates). Same goes for the live material on Pink Floyd's Ummagumma and Hawkwind's Space Ritual. I think Cheap Trick's At Budokan falls into this category as well. On the other hand, there's a lot of live albums that do give full notes about where and when each song was recorded: Yes: Yesshows The Who: Live At Leeds Frank Zappa: Guitar, and the You Can't Do That Onstage series (when you knew when and where the tracks were from) Blue Oyster Cult: Extraterrestrial Live Deep Purple: Made In Japan Allman Brothers Band: Wipe The Windows Check The Oil Dollar Gas Ted Nugent: Double Live Gonzo Aerosmith: Live Bootleg But you are right, there are a lot of live albums that don'tl list locations, like: Rory Gallagher: Live In Europe Uriah Heep: Live 1973 (though the remarks about 'Friday night in Birmingham' and 'This is the nicest return to Birmingham we've had' kinda gives one clues) The Who: Who's Last (can you say 'contractual obligation'?) Queen: Live Killers Rainbow: On Stage Hawkwind: Live 1979 (though, somewhat paradoxically, this one appears to have been drawn entirely from a single show, in St Albans, UK) Of course, my favorite of the 'let's be vague on when and where this album was recorded' is undoutedly Hawkwind's 1984 release This Is Hawkwind Do Not Panic. The release was a double record, one LP and one 12' 45 rpm record. There's a mass listing of musicians who play on the record, basically spanning two different lineups. The cover depicts Stonehenge, so you're thinking most (if not all) of the release was recorded at one of the Stonehenge festivals, right? WRONG!!! I eventually got a bootleg of the Stonehenge fest from 84, and the only material from that show that appeared on the album are the two tracks that appear on 45 RPM disc. The LP was taken from a various shows in 1980, with Ginger Baker on drums (a fellow Hawkfan once gave me details on which song was from which show, I remember only that none of them were recorded at Stonehenge). Out of something like 55 minutes of music, only about 10 of it is really from Stonehenge! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 3:59 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Will be travelling down to London with Chris Owen...not sure how yet, maybe fly with Easyjet for £10, as Liverpool is only 7 miles away. Bring the Kraftwerk with you, I'll be glad of the donation ;-) My ex liked them too I have to admit (TD). Gary. --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Frank Arellano' wrote: > Oh..., well if that's the case Gary, let me dig out of my trash can some > Kraftwerk that I just chucked out. :-) Since you ain't takin' the Mrs., > maybe you can take me instead :-) Our wives can stay behind and keep each > other company bad mouthing our music together. :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:40 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire > > > > I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not to the > > exclusion of everything else. > > > > Gary. > > > > -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer > > wrote: > > > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 5:15 pm Subject: favourite fan tapes Hello all, I've noticed the fan tape discussion and I thought I could post something on the topic. Coefficient of Aural Expansion, also known as Ruby in the Sky, London - 2/april/75 is one of the first concert recordings I've got and it's still one of my favourites. It's a maybe perfect blend of the best spacy-pink-years music I've heard with the Rubycon style. 2 great CDRs. The first track seems to be cut, but it's 60 minutes long. The first 20 minutes contain some of the best TD spacy music, followed by 20 minutes great sequences and more 20ish minutes of a kind of blend between the first two moments. The second CD contains mainly Rubyconesque music. The first track is 40 minutes long and the last seems to be an encore, 13 minutes. Danger Live 1 - Brussels 76 (first part of the Jensen University concert, 2/2/76, plus what seems to be an encore, Ancienne Belgique, 26/11/76. the second part of the Jensen University is on the Danger Live 2 CD, which also contains the original Soundmill. I don't have the second CD.) I don't exactly remember how is the music in this one, but I remember I loved it. There are more than one (or just one?) of those magic TD moments where a simple tune is played, like the Atem intro, or the Monolight tune. Outback Voices - 22/2/82 - Sydney (source for Sohoman) A fantastic concert. First track is Convention of the 24, with the sequence slowly being built. White Eagle follows, plus some unreleased tracks, a section from Mojave Plan and a Force Majeure ending they used to play. You can hear lots of applause when the audience notices the first notes (or chords, or beat, I don't remember) from that Force Majeure section just before the final section slowly fades in. This concert deserves to be remastered by someone out there, like happened with Coefficient, where even stereo was added. These are some concerts I like very much. I have several recordings now, some 20 concerts, but don't have much time to play them. There are some I played only once, like a 86 concert called Sonambulistic Imagery (which is nice too). Maybe later I'll post more comments about other concerts. GJ np Ricochet part 1. best-of-tour or not, this is one of the top 3 70s TD albums. And top 10 EM albums. Gustavojobim (gustavfj@m...) From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 7:00 pm Subject: Email change for Vic Rek Sorry fans for the intrusion, but I have to change my e-mail address in the next 10 days. The problem now is that I can send e-mails but I cannot receive them, which I hope to resolve with my ISP in the next few days. So I do not get anything from the outside world at the moment. If you have sent me an e-mail, then please be patient until I clear up this matter. Once I do I will be under a new e-mail address, tentatively: tangerinedream@a... Vic From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire Okay, not the first or the last time that I've screwed up. :-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gary Jenkins' To: Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 2:42 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire > > Hi Frank I think you are getting you Gary's muddled, I am the one not > taking the Mrs, the other talking about techno is Gary > Morgan,personally I don't care what they play just want to see them > live again after A 11 year drought for me. > Cheers Gary J. > > > > > Oh..., well if that's the case Gary, let me dig out of my trash can > some > > Kraftwerk that I just chucked out. :-) Since you ain't takin' > the Mrs., > > maybe you can take me instead :-) Our wives can stay behind and > keep each > > other company bad mouthing our music together. :-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:40 AM > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire > > > > > > > I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not > to the > > > exclusion of everything else. > > > > > > Gary. > > > > > > -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer > > > wrote: > > > > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > > > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! > > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 3:36 am Subject: Steve Jolliffe/Constance Demby Hello TD dudes and dudettes, Was out 'making the rounds' today (as my wife would say) of the local music stores, used and new, to see if anything new happened into the place. When I happened to find a couple of Steve Jolliffe CDs. 'Alien' from 1994 and 'Deep Down Far' from 1998. Now I am not a Steve Jolliffe fan, but I thought I would mention it to the list just in case there was a fan out there. I would be more than happy to go back and pick these two up if anyone was interested. I did not have the $$$ on me or else I would have bought them just on speculation. If no-one is interested, I may still go and get them just incase someone on e-bay might need them. Please let me know soon as I really don't know how popular he might be locally. Actually, I really can't say that I am NOT a Steve Jolliffe fan. I have honestly heard NOTHING by him. Its just that I am having a hard enough time collecting Td along with the Froese, Franke and Schmoelling solos. Adding Jolliffe would be stretching the TD related dollar just a little bit to far. However, I am interested in what he has been doing since has short career with TD. Anyone out there would like to fill me/us in on Mr. Steve Jolliffe? What style of music and all. Maybe even some reviews on his solo projects? Or am I the only one curious? If I am that is fine.....its just a passing curiosity since I saw two of his CDs. I will probably give them a listen if I buy them anyway. So maybe that will be my homework. Buy the two CDs, give them a listen before I sell them on e-bay. And then review them for the list. Anyway, I did find a Constance Demby CD: 'Aeterna'. I have an OLD tape that someone made me years ago of her first LP, 'Novous Magnificat'. If my son is ever being a pisser in the car, we just put the old tape in the player and he is asleep in minutes. No reflection of her music....or maybe it is! The music is absolutely wonderful. Very relaxing and calming. And the new one is as well. A lot more piano based this time. With the synths more filling in the background. I have not heard her two middle releases, but if I like the first one from years ago, and I like the new one, chances are I wil like the middle ones as well. Well, I didn't really plan on writing so much, that was just what happened to me today and I thought it relevant to this list. I do have a question I wanted to ask....but that is for that 'other' list. By for now. Neal NP: 'Aeterna'-- Constance Demby (Really very good. April even likes it so you know it must be good.) --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 2:28 pm Subject: Re: Neal Frost's Steve Jolliffe query in [tadream] Digest Number 770 This e-mail is in response to Neal Frost's questions concerning Steve Jolliffe. We at Horizon Music have released many of Steve's solo albums over the years, including the two that Mr. Frost saw in the CD store he visited. You can listen to sound samples of each of Steve's CD's at our Web site at www.hmnetwork.com. We also offer secure site on-line ordering at reasonable prices. It may interest you to know that Steve Jolliffe's 'Zanzi' was chosen by the radio program Musical Starstreams as one of its Top Ten albums of 1996. Also, the opening selection from 'Deep Down Far' has been played as background music for an advertisement on the Discovery Channel in the UK. I know of two interviews with Steve that exist on the Internet. One of them is on our site of www.hmnetwork.com and another one is located at www.openupandsay.com/interviews/stevejolliffe.cfm. In both he talks of many things, including his stint with Tangerine Dream in the late 1960s. For reviews of Steve Jolliffe's albums, one is directed to the following URL: www.space.com/sciencefiction/sonic_space_jolliffe_000615.html. If this site doesn't work, just type in www.space.com, click 'Science Fiction' and search for 'Jolliffe'. I hope I have shed some light on Steve Jolliffe's musical career as well as provided you with some resources for further information. Happy surfing, reading, listening and (I hope) purchasing! Sincerely, Dave Kaufman President Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 4:20 pm Subject: Linda Spa Does anyone on the list know what Linda Spa is doing these days? Does she have any continuing involvement with TD? Is there any background information on her on the web? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Linda Spa >From: 'David Foster' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Linda Spa >Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:20:06 -0000 > >Does anyone on the list know what Linda Spa is doing these days? > >Does she have any continuing involvement with TD? > >Is there any background information on her on the web? > >David She must've been available to do the Saxophone recording for the 'Longing for Cashba' track on i-Box. As recorded in 1990, there was no Saxophone on it, and it's not a sample/keyboard. mOnrgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 7:45 pm Subject: Newcomer Hi, I'm new to this newsgroup. First time I met electronic music, it was 7 years ago (I was 12) - my father bought a compilation of Jean Michel Jarre 'Musik aus Zeit und Raum'. I loved it from the beginning. Then I met the music of Mike Oldfield with The Songs of Distant Earth, also a great thing. When I was 15 I saw on a german music TV in the show 'Zeit zum traumen' - 'Time to dream' TD's Towards the evening star - first piece from Goblins Club. So I ran to the first music shop and bought me a TD cassette. It was Pergamon. I was amazed. Four years later, I have most of TD's official albums. I still need to collect some of the newer things, and most soundtracks. My first four bootlegs should arrive any day from now :) I most like the music from the late 70, early 80. But I like also some albums from the beggining of the 70 as well as some from the 90. My top 5. Logos, Poland, Ricochet, Force Majeure, Pergamon. The albums dont like most: Tyranny of beauty and Turn of the tides I also like Klaus Schulze although I have only about 10 of his albums. I'm from Warsaw, Poland (here I want to greet all the persons here who are on the polish TD newsgroup) I live temporarily in Vienna, Austria (maybe here are some from this City, i'd like to meet you in person). Well thats all for the beggining - I hope I will write often here :) Michal Moroz nicks: VeloMir, MirStacja Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25755 Re: Newcomer Feldon Feldon Sun 1/21/2001 4 KB 25757 Re: Newcomer odean@m... Sun 1/21/2001 2 KB 25761 Re: Newcomer Piotr Sulkowski II Mon 1/22/2001 2 KB 25766 Re: Newcomer Deborah Johnson Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB 25767 Re: Newcomer Piotr Sulkowski II Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB 25785 Re: Newcomer scfeldman@j... Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB 25792 Re: Newcomer Deborah Johnson Wed 1/24/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer >From: 'Michal Moroz' > >Hi, I'm new to this newsgroup. First time I met electronic music, it was 7 >years ago (I was 12) - my father bought a compilation of Jean Michel Jarre >'Musik aus Zeit und Raum'. I loved it from the beginning. Then I met the >music of Mike Oldfield with The Songs of Distant Earth, also a great thing. >When I was 15 I saw on a german music TV in the show 'Zeit zum traumen' - >'Time to dream' TD's Towards the evening star - first piece from Goblins >Club. So I ran to the first music shop and bought me a TD cassette. It was >Pergamon. I was amazed. Four years later, I have most of TD's official >albums. I still need to collect some of the newer things, and most >soundtracks. My first four bootlegs should arrive any day from now :) >I most like the music from the late 70, early 80. But I like also some >albums from the beggining of the 70 as well as some from the 90. My top 5. >Logos, Poland, Ricochet, Force Majeure, Pergamon. The albums dont like >most: >Tyranny of beauty and Turn of the tides >I also like Klaus Schulze although I have only about 10 of his albums. I'm >from Warsaw, Poland (here I want to greet all the persons here who are on >the polish TD newsgroup) I live temporarily in Vienna, Austria (maybe here >are some from this City, i'd like to meet you in person). >Well thats all for the beggining - I hope I will write often here :) Michal, A warm welcome to the list! We've got similar taste in TD :) Right now we're out of the album review cycle, but I'm guessing it will start up again, with discussion of one album or soundtrack each week. The list is wide open: casual fans, hardcore fans of anything TD, rabid fans of TD from 1974-1987, to the exclusion of anything else, etc. You'll see mention of other artists that either used to be part of TD, or have similar styles. Finally, you'll see the occasional (We're trying to keep it down!) little spat about the latest Edgar Froese fiascos (i-box, Soundmill Navigator, Sohoman). If you're curious about any of the new releases and the general consensus about them, feel free to ask. I'm sure you'll get 5 opinions from 4 people but hopefully it will help. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Newcomer Hi Michal, >I also like Klaus Schulze although I have only about 10 of his albums. Klaus makes it easy for you to add CDs to your collection. Just buy one of his 10-CD sets, 30-CD sets or if that isnt enough, grab his 50-CD set (you'll pay for his new Porsche if you do that, hehe) Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows (new version!) www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: odean@m... Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 11:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer At 08:45 PM 1/21/01 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, I'm new to this newsgroup. My top 5. >Logos, Poland, Ricochet, Force Majeure, Pergamon. The albums dont like most: >Tyranny of beauty and Turn of the tides > >Michal Moroz >nicks: VeloMir, MirStacja You'll fit in very well here. Welcome aboard! Oscar From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 5:06 am Subject: atlantic walls I don't have this disc myself, but I saw one at Best Buy this evening with a cover completely different than the one on the TD website... How many covers of this disc are known about? MJ From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 10:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire I'm sorry, but I've noticed that the general reaction from the crowd, when they play that stuff isn't that enthusiastic when compared to the other stuff. So it's not just me. Anyway it gives me chance to nip to the bar! On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, you wrote: > I actually like that 'terminally dull techno shite', though not to the > exclusion of everything else. > > Gary. > > -- In tadream@egroups.com, Matthew Stringer > > wrote: > > without any of that terminally dull techno shite either! > > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > Let's hope they play something new and not a load of > > > warmed-over studio recordings like usual! > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 9:20 am Subject: TD discussion board opened Hi all, just as an experiment, I've created a TD board on ezboards. You can find it at: http://pub50.ezboard.com/btangs This is not meant as competition to the mailing lists, basically I am just experimenting with ezboads. It starts empty, no rules apply. Two weeks from now I'll decide if I'll keep this alive (if there are enough posts that are _not_ crossposts from the lists) or let it die silently. have fun, klaus From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 6:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer Hi Michal, Welcome on foreign ground. From this what me it is known is us here several. Wlodek does not permit to write in our language :) Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium > I'm from Warsaw, Poland (here I want to greet all the persons here who are on > the polish TD newsgroup) > Michal Moroz > nicks: VeloMir, MirStacja > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 11:44 am Subject: [tadream] Only One? quick question: is shepard's bush the only concert they are playing? i thought they had lined up other dates in Spain and other places? where is this info to be found? tanks fer da help... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: Tom Richmond Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 3:19 pm Subject: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder Hello dreamers: This is the second reminder for participation in the 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' CDR tree. Sign-ups will be open until January 31, this is just a reminder for those who haven't signed up yet, or just joined the list and want to get in on it. So here's the scoop again... There are two levels of participation: Branch: one who is able (and willing) to make copies for others Leaf: one who wishes a copy, but is unable to make copies To sign up please send an email with the following information: Name Address City, State, Country email address (if different from where you're sending from) Branch or Leaf status - if you're signing up as a branch, please note how many copies you are willing and able to make to tmrtree@h... Please use this address for all correspondence regarding this project. It will be the responsibility of branches and leaves to arrange a trade that is acceptable to both parties. Branches please note that 'blanks plus return postage' MUST be an option. Not everyone has a lot to trade and we want to include everyone who's interested. Any questions, email me at the above address. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful.. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25798 Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder olle.rundgren@s... Thu 1/25/2001 3 KB 25800 Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder Joe Shoults Thu 1/25/2001 3 KB 25815 Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder olle.rundgren@s... Fri 1/26/2001 2 KB From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 4:18 pm Subject: Complete Works of.... In a previous post somebody mentioned collections that include the Complete Works of Risky Business, The Keep, Canyon Dreams, Legend and Thief... Can anybody let me know where these might be available (especially Canyon Dreams and Legend)...Please e-mail me off-list thanks. Frank From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 6:18 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] atlantic walls Hi Michael, I have noticed that there is a reasonably different second cover for Atlantic Bridges (but I have no idea about re-release dates or catalogue numbers), so I already suspected that there was another cover for Atlantic Walls. If anyone has more details please post them...both covers for Atlantic Bridges are on the following page: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/atlanticb.html If anyone has a copy of the different cover for Atantic Walls, a scan would be appreciated... http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/atlanticw.html Paul ---------- >De : 'Michael A Jean' >À : 'Tadreamonelist' >Objet : [tadream] atlantic walls >Date : Lun 22 jan 2001 6:06 > > I don't have this disc myself, but I saw one at Best Buy this evening with a > cover completely different than the one on the TD website... How many covers > of this disc are known about? > > MJ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 12:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer Hi Michal, Piotr & Any Other Newcomers: I'm a newcomer myself, having rediscovered TD about six months ago. I've known about them for 25 years, but for some reason, didn't get a passion for them until about six months ago when I first listened to the 'Private Music of Tangerine Dream,' a compilation from their Melrose period. Now I roam East Tennesee (here in the U.S.) looking for CDs to complete my collection. Deb H-J drbjohn@e... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer > Hi Michal, > Welcome on foreign ground. From this what me it is known is us here several. > Wlodek does not permit to write in our language :) > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. Millennium > > > > > > I'm from Warsaw, Poland (here I want to greet all the persons here who are > on > > the polish TD newsgroup) > Michal Moroz > > nicks: VeloMir, MirStacja > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 5:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer Hi, Welcome on 'board' and I greet from Poland Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium > Hi Michal, Piotr & Any Other Newcomers: > > I'm a newcomer myself, having rediscovered TD about six months ago. I've > known about them for 25 years, but for some reason, didn't get a passion for > them until about six months ago when I first listened to the 'Private Music > of Tangerine Dream,' a compilation from their Melrose period. Now I roam > East Tennesee (here in the U.S.) looking for CDs to complete my collection. > > Deb H-J > drbjohn@e... ---------------R---E---K---L---A---M---A----------------- INTERIA.PL jako pierwszy polski portal wchodzi na gielde. Masz szanse zainwestowac w jego akcje. Szczegoly na http://www.emisja.interia.pl/ From: gmroger@p... Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 771 J. Gordon wrote: 'Is shepard's bush the only concert they are playing? i thought they had lined up other dates in Spain and other places? where is this info to be found?' Being an Englishman living in Poland, I'd like to know too. Although I'm planning to make a trip to the UK in the early part of this year, I don't really want to wait until May unless I have to, and obviously I don't want to order a ticket only to find out they're playing here (and with the quite large number of Polish contributors on this list, surely we stand a chance?). IF I have to go to Shepherd's Bush, well, I don't know about the standing thing. I'm 172cm (or 5 foot 8). This was something I didn't think about or notice when attending previous concerts (as I always sat down). I hope you're not all six footers... Maybe it's a Dream Mixes concert. Perhaps that's why we're all standing - we're going to dance. Oh dear, could it be all this techno- shite some of us worry about (although not me!) Roger Hartopp -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25769 Re: Digest Number 771 Heiko Heerssen Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB 25770 Re: Digest Number 771 TDI - Martin K. Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB 25781 T-shirts etc. Glynn Naughton Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB 25791 Re: Shepards Bush seating Hermes Guzman Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB 25788 Re: Digest Number 771 David Foster Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 771 gmroger@p... schrieb: > J. Gordon wrote: > 'Is shepard's bush the only concert they are playing? i thought > they had lined > up other dates in Spain and other places? where is this info to be > found?' > > Being an Englishman living in Poland, I'd like to know too. As far as I know this is the only gig in the UK (please correct me if I'm wrong...Martin Kay for example ;-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25770 Re: Digest Number 771 TDI - Martin K. Tue 1/23/2001 3 KB From: 'TDI - Martin K.' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 771 At 11:20 23.01.01 , you wrote: > > >gmroger@p... schrieb: > >> J. Gordon wrote: >> 'Is shepard's bush the only concert they are playing? i thought >> they had lined >> up other dates in Spain and other places? where is this info to be >> found?' >> >> Being an Englishman living in Poland, I'd like to know too. > >As far as I know this is the only gig in the UK (please correct me if I'm wrong...Martin Kay for example ;-) > >Heiko > > Hello all, yes, it´s true. Shepherd´s Bush is the only UK gig. Other gigs are planned in Portugal, Spain and possibly Holland, although the situation on this one is still very vague. We hope to get confirmations on the gigs in the next few days and then we´ll post them to the websites. We want to wait until everything is 100% sure this time, though, because we wish to avoid a situation like with the proposed '99- tour, where dates were posted and then we had to blow it all off because of problems withe tour organizer. I am asking for a little more of your patience here - when the dates are posted, this time you can be sure that they will take place. Best regards, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: 'James Williams' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 11:24 am Subject: Another Newcomer Dear All, I have been following the list for some time now and have posted one or two replies but now i would like to formally introduce myself. My name is James Williams, I am 27 and a big fan of Tangerine Dream. I was introduced to TD in the late 80's by my next door neighbour who was a fan during the 70's. The first album i heard was Richocet which took some getting used to. I then bought 'The collection' which is not the best album to start with but the track 'White clouds' made an impression and kept my interest. The rest is history. I have seen TD Live 3 times and am looking forward to the Shepherds bush concert in May. My favourite TD album is Livemiles. I have a few rareties, include all singles from the Poland album, all Streethawk Singles, the 96 Shepherds bush CD, the 97 Tour CD Single, The Keep 97 Edition, The Keep (Blue Moon Boot) Etc. I used to be very active on the Tadream List at cs.uwp.edu back in 95-96 when I hosted the Tadream List T-Shirt website. The List members had decided to print an official T-Shirt and people would email there designs to me to place on the site. We never did do this though as i had to leave my job (my placement was finished) and thus close the site. Perhaps this is something we could do now? Other music interest include Jean Michel Jarre, Orb, Future Sound of London, as well as some main stream stuff. I Notice some names from the old days at cs.uwp.edu such as Glynn Naughton, Armin Theissen, Gabe Yedid. It's good to back in your company. Anyway enough waffle. Best Wishes, James Williams [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25772 Re: Another Newcomer j.gordon Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB 25789 Re: Another Newcomer David Foster Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB 25834 Re: Another Newcomer Rimas Lazutka Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Another Newcomer Another Newcomer??? They're coming out of the woodwork... =) i wondered when the other 300 people who've signed up for this list would begin to show themselves... =) welcome to the fold, james and deborah and the others... probably the most exciting thing about this list is that Edgar and Jerome are subscribed as well, though only in lurk mode... we know this because they listen to all the discussion that goes on here and then really make an effort to produce albums and compilations that fit with everyone's views... Soundmill Navigator, Sohoman... even I-box... these have really captured the spirit of what is discussed here, brought to light in music form... ... ... sorry... just a bit of razzin'... > My favourite TD album is Livemiles. woo hoo! alright, James... that's what we want to hear... most everybody here on the list agrees that it would have been almost impossible to follow up on Tyger, but Livemiles fit the bill... ;) again, welcome... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: Ben Ohmart Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 3:32 pm Subject: reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? i'm curious who's bought the 50 cd set, what you thought, and where i can find other reviews. i checked his official site but could only find brief fan messages. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25790 Re: reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? Robert Grabowsky Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB 25794 Re: reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? Kees Wed 1/24/2001 3 KB From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 3:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherd's Bush Empire HELLO! I'm member from France ,Erick Moncollin aka Doktor Strange ,and since 1980(my first Lp)plays Electronic Music , it's my job(i played with Tim Blake,Vangelis,a mythical jam , two times in a big party with Star Sounds Orchestra/Steve Schroyder & many others events,3 cds-7 lps-2 eps ...)Since 80' , electronic is,like you know more accepted with the Techno appearance , T.D. also know that 2000 Year was YESTERDAY and ALAS!ALAS!ALAS!Don't mistake ; i'm agree with your opinion (exemple:the Groundliftaz limited pre-release 5 maxis/Dreamixes 3 , the idea is good but,for me,even the two 'trance'are interessant when played at 30rpm,the 'mix'with ancient recordings is very bad(for a good mix,i must play also the original rec.at the 2nd source) and i think/feel this 'project'as a bad speculative release). I've 3700 lps&1200cds/private tapes,for me Tangerine Dream WAS a very big/good band til Optical Race/Melrose,and i must confess that i don't like this rec.Sorry!My favourite are numerous: Phaedra,Zeit,Alpha, Centauri,Elect.Meditation,Ricochet,Rubycon,Atem,Logos,etc...etc...But i like also K.Schulze(more)Ash Ra Tempel,Heldon,Neu,Brian ENO &many others..................BUT..............As my life is 50% electronic musician and 50 other% in Techno Party as Ambient DJ or Atmo-Trance Live-Act (really live,with all my fingers and brain,N computer) i'll be very interested by a good Tangerine Dream record with THEIR and Actual 'sounds',but NEW , i insist ! If you're searching for some special 'old' electronic rec. , ask , perhaps i 'll can help . I'm searching : BEEP(brian eno electronic port-folio),Bernard SZAJNER superfocial music. PLEASE ! Excuse my very bad English,i wish you a good entrance in the New Millenium , and also to all at the e-groups. Erick ,Doktor Strange/Tzi Cosmik UNITY . From: Strat95@E... Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: Home provider Hello Guys, I am currently at work. My home service provider is giving me a bunch of trouble right now. It might take a couple of days to get it straightened out. If anyone is trying to contact me, please be patient. I should have it all fixed in a couple of days. I am at edwinfrost@d... at work if anyone needs to get me but I cannot sunscribe here so it will have to be straight e-mails only. Thanks for the understanding and patience. Hope to be back soon Neal From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: RE: Valley of the Sun Napster versions I find a lot of stuff on Napster that is short because someone forgot to delete an incomplete track, and someone else copied it thinking it must be the whole thing. Before you know it, dozens of people have an incomplete version of some track. My Advice: download it and I'm sure you'll find that it just cuts off somewhere in the middle. Some unwitting person not realizing that the track should be 15 minutes, thought 7 minutes MUST be the entire track. If you use Napster, please set the 'Delete incomplete downloads' option. This will help avoid this kind of confusion. James > -----Original Message----- > Speaking of which, is anybody aware of 'edits' of VoTS? > I taped this piece off a friend a couple of years ago and subsequently > misplaced the tape (it's not lost yet!). I seem to remember this piece > being > in the 15 minute range lengthwise. When I look for it on Napster, I find > versions that are about 7 and 10 minutes in length. What's the deal with > these? Are these promo versions or something? > > Gabe > > From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 6:50 pm Subject: Getting into the blocks; Where can I order tickets? Hi all, Just to stand ready to the big day, could someone with the knowhow tell me where to get tickets to the Sheperds Bush gig. Now that I am able to attend, I would'nt miss it for the world! Best Regards Geir Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25778 Re: Getting into the blocks; Where can I order ti Phil Wingfield Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Getting into the blocks; Where can I order tickets? www.ticketweb.co.uk > Hi all, > > Just to stand ready to the big day, could someone with the knowhow tell me > where to get tickets to the Sheperds Bush gig. > Now that I am able to attend, I would'nt miss it for the world! > > Best Regards > > Geir From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 7:43 pm Subject: [tadream] Legend DVD Hi all, Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't remember anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the IMDB... Paul From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 7:47 pm Subject: [tadream] TD in France Hi all, It seems unlikely that TD will give a concert in France in May after all according to Martin from TDI, so I'll have to decide which way to go, east to Germany or west to London, what do you think...It would be nice to meet some other fans after more than 20 years of collecting! Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25784 TD in France Gary Jenkins Tue 1/23/2001 1 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:15 pm Subject: T-shirts etc. James Williams: >I used to be very active on the Tadream List at cs.uwp.edu back in >95-96 when I hosted the Tadream List T-Shirt website. The List >members had decided to print an official T-Shirt and people would >email there designs to me to place on the site. We never did do this >though as i had to leave my job (my placement was finished) and thus >close the site. Perhaps this is something we could do now? Ha! I'd totally forgotten about that. I seem to remember Craig Cordrey turning up at the '96 Shepherds Bush show wearing his 'dreaming tangerine' t-shirt, though. (Coming in May, Craig?) I even submitted a design myself which I thought was quite funny, but for the life of me I now don't have the faintest recollection of what it was... Roger: >IF I have to go to Shepherd's Bush, well, I don't know about the .standing thing. I'm 172cm (or 5 foot 8). > >This was something I didn't think about or notice when attending >previous concerts (as I always sat down). I hope you're not all six >footers... Downstairs only is standing. The balconey is unrestricted seating. You should be OK unless you get stuck behind someone who's tall from the waist up :-) Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25791 Re: Shepards Bush seating Hermes Guzman Tue 1/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend DVD >From: 'Paul Fellows' > >Hi all, > >Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't remember >anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the >IMDB... IMDB lists every movie that's had ANY kind of release... TV, theatrical, etc. Legend DVD is not out and there is no release date, due to rights issues with some of the extras. From amazon.com... Legend (Collector's Edition) (1986) List Price: $34.98 Our Price: $27.99 You Save: $6.99 (20%) Release date to be announced: The release date for this video has not been finalized. You may still order this title. We will ship it to you as soon as it is available; your credit card will not be charged until we have shipped it. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:21 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD Paul- Where can one get that DVD? I had one on pre-order with buy.com but they never delivered. It was kind of weird actually, they had the description of the movie and everything, release date etc and were taking orders for it. Well after the release date came and went all of a sudden they changed the description to some Kung-Fu movie of the same name and billed and shipped it out to me. I got full credit, including shipping to and from me anyway. Does anyone have the correct DVD and where can *I* find one. Thanks! Regards, Joel On Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:43 PM, Paul Fellows [SMTP:pfellows@c...] wrote: > Hi all, > > Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't remember > anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the > IMDB... > > Paul > > The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:28 pm Subject: TD in France HI Paul go west to London you will not have to wait so long. From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 7:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:13:29 -0500 'Deborah Johnson' writes: >I'm a newcomer myself, having rediscovered TD about six months ago. >[. . .] looking for CDs to complete my collection. Well, you've got your work cut out for you, even if you just want to obtain all the official releases, not counting CD singles and solo albums! X-0 -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend DVD Paul Fellows wrote: > Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't remember > anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the > IMDB... The disc itself hasn't been released yet...only the cover art has. Legend was supposed to come out in late fall, but that didn't happen, and a new street date has yet to be announced. Even so, you can pre-order it from Amazon.com for 27.99. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD It was scheduled for release for the last week in November and it was pulled indefinately because of problems with the copyright to certain extras on the 2 disc set. I pasted this news to the list in December. -Morgan >From: 'Joel S. Mullen' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: ''tadream@egroups.com'' >Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:21:00 -0600 > >Paul- > Where can one get that DVD? I had one on pre-order with >buy.com but they never delivered. It was kind of weird actually, they >had the description of the movie and everything, release date etc and >were taking orders for it. Well after the release date came and went >all of a sudden they changed the description to some Kung-Fu movie >of the same name and billed and shipped it out to me. I got full credit, >including shipping to and from me anyway. Does anyone have the >correct DVD and where can *I* find one. > >Thanks! > >Regards, > >Joel > >On Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:43 PM, Paul Fellows >[SMTP:pfellows@c...] wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't >remember > > anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the > > IMDB... > > > > Paul > > > > The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom >Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > >The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom >Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 771 Roger said 'IF I have to go to Shepherd's Bush, well, I don't know about the > standing thing. I'm 172cm (or 5 foot 8). > > This was something I didn't think about or notice when attending > previous concerts (as I always sat down). I hope you're not all six > footers... > > Maybe it's a Dream Mixes concert. Perhaps that's why we're all > standing - we're going to dance. Oh dear, could it be all this techno- > shite some of us worry about (although not me!) > > Roger Hartopp ' Roger try booking a ticket for the unreserved seating / standing in the First Level. I am doing that this time. I know what you mean about standing up all that time. After a long day in London standing up is not easy, especially when some of the others are taller than you....just joking tall people. I expect my daughter is going to want to go, so seating is better. I remember at the last Klaus Schulze concert I went to, we were all getting older and people were turning up with their entire families. TD lets' have some seats. David From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Another Newcomer James said 'Dear All, I have been following the list for some time now and have posted one or two replies but now i would like to formally introduce myself.' Welcome. Hey we share the same musical interests, but I am not so much a fan as I was of JMJ. Enjoy the list David From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? I bought each set as it came out except for the silver edition which I have on CDR. I enjoy all of the sets but I was not really happy about duplicating a couple of the disc when I got the last 10 of what is the Ultimate Edition. If you are thinking you want them it is probably the best way to get all of them if you have none. It is very hard to find the Silver, Historic, and Jubille Editions by themselves as they were limited to 1000 each, if memory serves me correctly. They are a must for any diehard Klaus Schulze fan. Don't miss out, THE HIGHLANDER At 07:32 AM 1/23/01 -0800, you wrote: >i'm curious who's bought the 50 cd set, what you >thought, and where i can find other reviews. i checked >his official site but could only find brief fan >messages. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25794 Re: reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? Kees Wed 1/24/2001 3 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:13 pm Subject: Re: Shepards Bush seating > 'Glynn Naughton' > >Roger: > > >IF I have to go to Shepherd's Bush, well, I don't know about the > >standing thing. I'm 172cm (or 5 foot 8). > > > >This was something I didn't think about or notice when attending > >previous concerts (as I always sat down). I hope you're not all > >six footers... > > Downstairs only is standing. The balconey is unrestricted seating. > You should be OK unless you get stuck behind someone who's tall > from the waist up :-) > > Glynn ...Or get stuck in front of a couple of yobbos who are dressed for a Motorhead show and are in another reality due to recreational pharmaceuticals, causing the female of the pair to randomly comment on the show using the same four statements: 'Sex', 'Jazz Guitar', 'Lights', 'Music'-eventually keeping time to whatever *she's* listening to with her foot on the back of your chair (and you when she misses...) I wish I was going. Enjoy the show!:) goozer From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Newcomer Steven: > Well, you've got your work cut out for you, even if you just want > to obtain all the official releases, not counting CD singles and solo > albums! X-0 Well...not necessarily 'complete' collection...how about a 'more complete' collection? One of the things I enjoy the most about TD is that there are so much minutiae to enjoying them. You have to learn periods, member changes, labels, some fifty-odd album titles, and unique terminology ('technoshite') to follow discussions. One thing about being a newer fan (even though I'm an old timer), is that I don't have any favorite albums or tracks yet. I'm still feeling my way around the scene. I have no problems listening to 'Atem' full blast and dancing around the house, then putting on the two 'Tang-go' CDs. Retrospectively, why not let the music speak for itself? Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: -=brian=- Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 2:12 am Subject: Music for sale Hi! I have a couple of Tangerine Dream CDs that I need to get rid of. I've got copies of: Somnambulistic Imagery (2CD) Collected Endings (1CD) 3 Tier Dream Disc 3 (1CD) I am asking $9 for Som Img, and $5 each for the other two. Please email me if you are interested. I also have a bunch of other CDs for sale too -- if you are interested in the full list, please email me off the mailing list for that. Thanks! -=brian=- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25795 Re: Music for sale Joe Shoults Wed 1/24/2001 2 KB 27482 Music for sale olle.rundgren@s... Sun 6/24/2001 2 KB 27486 Re: Music for sale Frank Arellano Mon 6/25/2001 2 KB From: Kees Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 9:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] reviews of the Klaus Schulze set? At 17:22 23/01/2001 -0500, you wrote: > I bought each set as it came out except for the silver edition which I >have on CDR. I enjoy all of the sets but I was not really happy about >duplicating a couple of the disc when I got the last 10 of what is the >Ultimate Edition. > If you are thinking you want them it is probably the best way to get all >of them if you have none. It is very hard to find the Silver, Historic, and >Jubille Editions by themselves as they were limited to 1000 each, if memory >serves me correctly. > They are a must for any diehard Klaus Schulze fan. Hi, An original Music Intemporelle Silver Edition from 1993 is available at Groove for US$ 109.00 http://www.groove.nl The re-issue is available for $ 101.00 All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 2:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Music for sale most of you know that this type of activity is prohibited on the list, but for those of you who don't, please do not solicit the sale of bootlegs on this list. If you have *licensed* music to trade or sell, that's fine, but bootlegs fly in the face of showing any respect for TD's licensing and copyrights. BTW, it is perfectly OK to ask people to contact you offlist. Thank you, Joe Moderator -----Original Message----- Hi! I have a couple of Tangerine Dream CDs that I need to get rid of. I've got copies of: Somnambulistic Imagery (2CD) Collected Endings (1CD) 3 Tier Dream Disc 3 (1CD) From: Strat95@E... Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 6:27 pm Subject: Trades Hello guys, Before my internet provider went ape shit and started billing me for every other member on record and driving my bank account so far in the whole I am speeking Japanese, I was in contact with a couple of people regarding trades. This was just the discussions from last week. Would you please contact me at my work e-mail address. Thank you for your understanding. Neal Frost Edwinfrost@d... From: 'Mike Oles' Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 2:19 pm Subject: New Member I thought I would take this opportunity to introduce myself as a new member to the group. I've been a TD fan and collector of their music for many years. I have most of the official releases, I don't however, have much else. My favorites include most of the releases during the Virgin Years. Looking forward to learning more about Tangerine Drean and their music. From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 4:40 pm Subject: Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder T. Richmond wrote: >Hello dreamers: CDR tree. Sign-ups will be open until January 31, this is just a reminder for those >who haven't signed up yet, or just joined the list and want to get in on it. Hi Tom, I may have missed an earlier posting here. I'm curious about how this all works. I am familiar with the term tape tree and basically understand the branch and leaf thing. But what triggers a trade ? Are the leaves supposed to be in contact with one branch or do the leaves move freely around in the tree? Is there some kind of branch ranking, regarding size of collection and capacity to copy etc.? Would be great with an answer to this before Jan 31st, thanks. And..: To Doktor Strange - I might be able to help you in your quest for Bernard SZAJNER. You are welcome to contact me off-list and... About The Schulze - Silver Edition. I think there were 2000 copies made (right Kees?). Still easy to find reasonably priced second hand copies on Ebay every now and then. I haven't got any of these sets yet, Schulze is best in small portions. Still might be an idea to consider buying. I have a feeling they might end up as ridiculously overprized as the complete private Tapes by Ashra in the future. Then it would be too late for a poor millionaire. /Olle From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 5:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] New Member welcome! > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Oles [mailto:ekimselo@h...] > Subject: [tadream] New Member > > > I thought I would take this opportunity to introduce myself as a new > member to the group. I've been a TD fan and collector of their music From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 5:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder basically, you just contact tom and say whether you can make copies (branch) or not (leaf). He then assigns you to a spot in the tree hierarchy. We will release the full tree structure after the deadline of January 31st. I'm changing the link in our footers to make this easier. click the e-mail link below that is appropriate for you and include your mailing address in the body. We will give further instructions when he's got the tree structure laid out. -Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: olle.rundgren@s... [mailto:olle.rundgren@s...] ... > I may have missed an earlier posting here. I'm curious about > how this all > works. I am familiar with the term tape tree and basically > understand the > branch and leaf thing. But what triggers a trade ? Are the > leaves supposed > to be in contact with one branch or do the leaves move freely > around in the > tree? Is there some kind of branch ranking, regarding size of > collection and > capacity to copy etc.? > Would be great with an answer to this before Jan 31st, thanks. From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 2:13 am Subject: CDR tree Could someone in the know please post a quick reminder as to what is actually contained on the 'Dreamwatchers Tales' CDR. Does it contain the recent 'Electrobeats' show, or maybe some other material perhaps? Cheers, - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25802 Re: CDR tree gnmorgan@b... Thu 1/25/2001 2 KB 25803 Re: CDR tree Joe Shoults Thu 1/25/2001 2 KB 25806 Re: CDR tree Feldon Feldon Thu 1/25/2001 3 KB From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 6:47 pm Subject: Re: CDR tree Chris, have a look at message number 25640 for details... Gary. --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Chris Owen' wrote: > Could someone in the know please post a quick reminder as to what is actually contained on the 'Dreamwatchers Tales' CDR. Does it contain the recent 'Electrobeats' show, or maybe some other material perhaps? > > Cheers, > > - Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 7:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: CDR tree Thanks for the pointer, Gary. I have also updated the Dreamwatcher's Tales page with this info: http://www.tadream.net/musos/dwassets -Joe > -----Original Message----- > Chris, > have a look at message number 25640 for details... > Gary. > --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Chris Owen' > wrote: > > Could someone in the know please post a quick reminder as > to what is actually contained on the 'Dreamwatchers Tales' CDR. From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 7:52 pm Subject: Re (tadream Legend DVD Seems the Legend DVD is popular. Is that because you want it for the music? Do you like the film as well? I liked it. Tim Curry plays a good Darkness. Its surprising to think its the same actor who also played the lead in Rocky Horror Picture Show. Come to think of it............what has Rocky Horror and TD got in common? ..... a devoted following of fans. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: CLOMAN44@A... Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 8:37 pm Subject: Remove my name... Could somebody tell me how to remove my name from the list so that I can stop receiving all the e-mail messages from tadream. I can not possibly read all of them... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25807 Re: Remove my name... GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Thu 1/25/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 9:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] CDR tree Dreamwatchers is a CD of music by members of this list. Some is Tangerine Dream inspired, some is just great electronic or progressive rock music. This is the second such disc of its kind. -Morgan P.S. if it were a new bootleg announcement, you would NOT see it being announced here. >From: 'Chris Owen' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: 'tadream Mailing List' >Subject: [tadream] CDR tree >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:13:06 -0800 > >Could someone in the know please post a quick reminder as to what is >actually contained on the 'Dreamwatchers Tales' CDR. Does it contain the >recent 'Electrobeats' show, or maybe some other material perhaps? > >Cheers, > >- Chris > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: GKNARFAPPAZ@a... Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 9:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Remove my name... In a message dated 25/01/01 21:29:29 GMT Standard Time, CLOMAN44@A... writes: > Could somebody tell me how to remove my name from the list so that I can > stop > receiving all the e-mail messages from tadream. I can not possibly read > all > of them... > > Go to www.egroups.com and find tadream in your list. Next to it there will > be a pull down options box. Highlight unsubscribe. Then press update. > Tadream should go from your list Information is not knowledge, Knowledge is not wisdom, Wisdom is not truth, Truth is not beauty, Beauty is not love, Love is not music, Music is THE BEST - Frank Zappa 1940 - 1993 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 10:20 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] New Member Welcome to the list of ' Dreamers '. Enjoy :o) Cheers Poul > I thought I would take this opportunity to introduce myself as a new > member to the group. I've been a TD fan and collector of their music > for many years. I have most of the official releases, I don't > however, have much else. My favorites include most of the releases > during the Virgin Years. Looking forward to learning more about > Tangerine Drean and their music. From: 'James Williams' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 12:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend DVD For people in the UK you can pre-order the region 1 disc from www.play247.com for £17.99. They dont have a release date but when it is available you will have it within a week. Price includes VAT and delivery. This is an excellent source for region 1 discs for people in the UK. I have ordered a lot of discs from them with no problems whatsoever. James ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:58 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD > It was scheduled for release for the last week in November and it was pulled > indefinately because of problems with the copyright to certain extras on the > 2 disc set. I pasted this news to the list in December. > > -Morgan > > > >From: 'Joel S. Mullen' > >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > >To: ''tadream@egroups.com'' > >Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend DVD > >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:21:00 -0600 > > > >Paul- > > Where can one get that DVD? I had one on pre-order with > >buy.com but they never delivered. It was kind of weird actually, they > >had the description of the movie and everything, release date etc and > >were taking orders for it. Well after the release date came and went > >all of a sudden they changed the description to some Kung-Fu movie > >of the same name and billed and shipped it out to me. I got full credit, > >including shipping to and from me anyway. Does anyone have the > >correct DVD and where can *I* find one. > > > >Thanks! > > > >Regards, > > > >Joel > > > >On Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:43 PM, Paul Fellows > >[SMTP:pfellows@c...] wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Well, the Legend DVD came out in a stealthy sort of way, I don't > >remember > > > anyone on this list announcing it, but there's a picture of it on the > > > IMDB... > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom > >Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > >The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom > >Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'James Williams' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 1:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepards Bush seating I remember being at the Leeds Town and Country Club during the 97 UK Tour and a 6 foot plus guy was dancing (actually a rather exaggerated sway) in front of me. So, not only was he occupying over 6 foot of space vertically he also took up about 12 foot of space to either side of him! James ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Hermes Guzman' To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepards Bush seating > > 'Glynn Naughton' > > >Roger: > > > > >IF I have to go to Shepherd's Bush, well, I don't know about the > > >standing thing. I'm 172cm (or 5 foot 8). > > > > > >This was something I didn't think about or notice when attending > > >previous concerts (as I always sat down). I hope you're not all > > >six footers... > > > > Downstairs only is standing. The balconey is unrestricted seating. > > You should be OK unless you get stuck behind someone who's tall > > from the waist up :-) > > > > Glynn > > ...Or get stuck in front of a couple of yobbos who are dressed for a > Motorhead show and are in another reality due to recreational > pharmaceuticals, causing the female of the pair to randomly comment > on the show using the same four statements: 'Sex', 'Jazz Guitar', > 'Lights', 'Music'-eventually keeping time to whatever *she's* > listening to with her foot on the back of your chair (and you when she > misses...) > > I wish I was going. Enjoy the show!:) > > goozer > > > > The Tadream List Tangerine Dream Tribute CD is out! Please contact Tom Richmond at mailto:TRichmond@b... to get on the distribution tree! > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 3:29 am Subject: (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? I may be jumping the gun on this, but any idea when the TD US/North American club tour dates will be? Martin? I won't ask for venues yet--but I sure would like to time my vacation to coincide with a show or two or three. A few others here must feel the same. Given shepherds bush in mid-May, can we expect TD in North America later in May? like around May 26th--thru early June? or? Thanks in advance. --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25812 (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? tei waz Fri 1/26/2001 2 KB 25813 (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? tei waz Fri 1/26/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 3:30 am Subject: (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? I may be jumping the gun on this, but any idea when the TD US/North American club tour dates will be? Martin? I won't ask for venues yet--but I sure would like to time my vacation to coincide with a show or two or three. A few others here must feel the same. Given shepherds bush in mid-May, can we expect TD in North America later in May? like around May 26th--thru early June? or? Thanks in advance. --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 3:31 am Subject: (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? I may be jumping the gun on this, but any idea when the TD US/North American club tour dates will be? Martin? I won't ask for venues yet--but I sure would like to time my vacation to coincide with a show or two or three. A few others here must feel the same. Given shepherds bush in mid-May, can we expect TD in North America later in May? like around May 26th--thru early June? or? Thanks in advance. --teiwaz (sorry if you rcvd several copies of this) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 8:03 pm Subject: Mars Polaris Whilst playing Mars I came across this quote in a local paper.... The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 4:05 pm Subject: Re: 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' tree reminder >We will give further instructions when he's got the tree structure laid out. >-Joe The winter is making me dizzy and I must have missed a lot lately. I thought of ...well, something else. Still it sounds interesting and I will sign up. Thanks Joe and Tom for rapid replies. Must ask again though, didn't somebody mention another tree project here recently...? /Olle np: Adelaide -75 From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 3:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? Hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but I don't think TD will be in the US again. -Morgan >From: 'tei waz' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com, teiwaz@h... >Subject: [tadream] (Martin K) when are the US club tour dates? >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:29:37 -0800 > >I may be jumping the gun on this, but any idea when the TD US/North >American >club tour dates will be? Martin? I won't ask for venues yet--but I sure >would like to time my vacation to coincide with a show or two or three. A >few others here must feel the same. > >Given shepherds bush in mid-May, can we expect TD in North America later in >May? like around May 26th--thru early June? or? > >Thanks in advance. > >--teiwaz >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 8:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 773 > From: 'Glynn Naughton' > Subject: T-shirts etc. > > Ha! I'd totally forgotten about that. I seem to remember Craig > Cordrey turning up at the '96 Shepherds Bush show wearing > his 'dreaming tangerine' t-shirt, though. (Coming in May, Craig?) I > even submitted a design myself which I thought was quite funny, but > for the life of me I now don't have the faintest recollection of what > it was... And I still have the t-shirt! Might even wear it, if I decide to go to London this May. Haven't made my mind up yet. May have to wait until I know where I'll be working (might be in Portsmouth which would make the journey a bit easier). Craig From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 4:18 am Subject: Edgar & Klaus on HOS In some markets this week, the radio program 'Hearts of Space' is featuring the music of Cosmos, including parts of EF's Epsilon in Malaysian Pale and KS's Wahnfried 1883. http://www.hos.com n.p. - HOS [epsilon in malaysian pale] From: gmroger@p... Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 8:46 am Subject: Okay, I'm going! I've just booked my ticket over the web. So, I've decided to delay my return trip to the UK from Poland so I can see the concert on the 12th. I've decided that after spending a long day in London I will go for the unrestricted balcony seating, so, David, I look forward to seeing you there. To all you fans - for those of us who would like to meet up beforehand and say hello to each other, find out what we look like and discover whether we're a sensible bunch of fun loving music fans or a collection of anoraks - I suggest let's confirm the bar, pub or restaurant closer to the time. I look forward to the concert and meeting you all! (in that order) 104 days, 14 hours, 15 minutes and thirty seconds to go... Roger Hartopp -- From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 8:59 am Subject: Shepherds Bush My ticket arrived in the snailmail on Friday. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 7:20 pm Subject: Oktober I can't believe my luck! My wife is suggesting we go to Berlin in October so that I can see TD, my daughter can practise her German and we can see the city we have always wanted to visit. Anyone have any suggestions of cheap accommodation? Does anyone know the dates for Berlin? Who is going? It would be great to meet up. Thanks in advance. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25842 Re: Oktober Heiko Heerssen Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25843 Re: Oktober Rainer Rutka Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 3:11 pm Subject: My Tribute CD Hi All As some of you might remember (early last year) I mentioned that I was recording some TD tracks for a Tribute Album. Unfortunately, the whole deal fell flat on it's face, and it has been left in limbo. As a Christmas present this year, I did a small number of CDr's (on a borrowed Philips machine) for a few friends who had shown an interest in the project. The feedback has been positive, so I though that instead of it staying in limbo for evermore and a day, I would release it to any members of the group that would be interested. This message is just to see if there is enough interest out there for me to do it. I don't yet own a CD writer, but am willing to invest (I know I shan't regret it, I'm just looking for a good excuse) in one. If anyone wants to have a quick listen to some excerpt mp3's, they are still on my old (but defunct) website for download. The address is: http://zozo.demon.co.uk I decided to do the same as the latest project, no charge. All I would require is two 74min blank CDR's. If you are interested in a copy, could you please send an email to: tdproject@t...@netscapeonline.co.uk So as not to interfere with the DREAMWATCHERS TALES, I will not start this until distribution of DT has finished. While I'm on the subject, please support this (and I'm not saying it because I'm on it), but there is bound to be at least one track you will like. I've copied the info for it below: Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?su bject=please include me as BRANCH my address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?s ubject=please include me as LEAF my address is: All the best -- Richard Ford From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 5:18 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Hi Richard, Since you are going to start distributing the CDr, I just wanted to ask if you have composed this music yourself or if they are TD remixes? Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25824 Re: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Richard Ford Sun 1/28/2001 2 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 5:28 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD In message <021401c0894e$5b80dc80$27fb423e@y...>, Glenn Folkvord writes >Hi Richard, > >Since you are going to start distributing the CDr, I just wanted to ask if >you have composed this music yourself or if they are TD remixes? > >Glenn They are my covers of TD tracks. Please look at http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk. All but the Chronozon track will be on it (because it was left as 'work in progress') All the best -- Richard Ford From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 8:13 pm Subject: Correct email address for Tribute CDR Sorry for the incorrect email address. It should be: tdproject.theroom2@n... Cheers -- Richard Ford From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 8:18 pm Subject: right, 3rd time lucky This address SHOULD be OK: tdprojec@t... It does work...i've just tried it Really.... -- Richard Ford From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 8:44 pm Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD > They are my covers of TD tracks. So you are paying royalty fees to TD then? :-) Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25828 Re: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Feldon Feldon Sun 1/28/2001 2 KB 25833 SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Pergamon Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB 25836 My Tribute CD Richard Ford Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB 25829 Re: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Richard Ford Sun 1/28/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 9:07 pm Subject: Re: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD >From: 'Glenn Folkvord' > > > They are my covers of TD tracks. > >So you are paying royalty fees to TD then? :-) Tangerine Ambience I and II didn't. I doubt they even had to get permission. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25833 SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Pergamon Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB 25836 My Tribute CD Richard Ford Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 9:20 pm Subject: Re: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD In message <033601c0896b$27ce2060$27fb423e@y...>, Glenn Folkvord writes >> They are my covers of TD tracks. > >So you are paying royalty fees to TD then? :-) any percentage of nothing will always be nothing. -- Richard Ford From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 5:29 am Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Feldon Feldon > Tangerine Ambience I and II didn't. I doubt they even had to get permission. It depends on what is on those records. If there are cover versions, they should have gotten permissions, by paying fees to their local copyright office. There is one in every country. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25831 SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Glenn Folkvord Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 5:28 am Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD Richard, > any percentage of nothing will always be nothing. You misunderstand. Without paying the relevant fees you dont have permission to distribute cover versions/remixes. It is not about you making a profit or not. Permission is given automatically when the relevant fees have been paid. Are you forgetting that TDI officials read this list? I have organized a Jarre tribute with cover versions so I know a little about this. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 11:07 am Subject: Klaus Schulze Concert Hi all, here a message for all Klaus Schulze Fan`s: he will perform at the 'Klangart Festival' in Osnabrück/Germany -Stadthalle on Saturdaythe 09th of June 2001 at 8.00 pm. Ticket`s you can order at end of february under: +49-541-349024 or www.osnabrueck.de/klangart Original message of this you found at the new issue of the KS Circle published by KDM. Regards Heiko from Burg/Germany please look at my Tangerine dream Fan Homepage: www.opticaldream.de/dream [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25835 Re: Klaus Schulze Concert Michal Moroz Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB 25877 Re: Klaus Schulze Concert AirWave Thu 2/1/2001 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 1:41 pm Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] My Tribute CD -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] Tangerine Ambience I and II didn't. I doubt they even had to get permission. -Morgan Hello Morgan Whatever gave you that idea????? of course they paid royalties to TD, and yes, they got permission. I am currently under the same Record-company as these guys which made TD ambience 1 & 2, and as far as I know, they did. Regards Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25836 My Tribute CD Richard Ford Mon 1/29/2001 2 KB From: 'Rimas Lazutka' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 4:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Another Newcomer Hello, James, that was nice to discover you i listen to fsol as well as orb i have a question for ya do you consider fsol's 'lifeforms' as a reinvention of old TD's style for new generations Thanks in advance, Rimas Lazutka Get your small business started at Lycos Small Business at http://www.lycos.com/business/mail.html From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 2:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Concert >Hi all, >here a message for all Klaus Schulze Fan`s: >he will perform at the 'Klangart Festival' in Osnabrück/Germany -Stadthalle on Saturdaythe 09th of June 2001 at 8.00 >pm. >Ticket`s you can order at end of february under: >+49-541-349024 or www.osnabrueck.de/klangart What a pity, more than 10-12 hours away is a bit to far away for me. If the concert was in Munich I would go. Michal From: Richard Ford Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 6:08 pm Subject: My Tribute CD Can anyone recommend the best way to contact TD themselves so I can clear this up. Until further notice, any offer of 'TRIBUTE' is cancelled. Sorry -- Richard Ford From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush 12 May Hi all, As I was at Shepherd's Bush in '96 but didn't meet anyone from this list because I didn't have a computer at the time and hence didn't know any of you, can I take this opportunity to suggest something: Could everyone who is going please drop me a quick message, giving a few details about yourselves (name, how long you've been a fan, which country you come from, how you can be identified at the concert and/or where you would like to meet up before the concert, stuff like that). Of course, you are not obliged to do this, and anyone who wishes to remain just a face in the crowd can ignore this message, but it would be great to get to know as many people as possible, especially as I'm coming from France and will be by myself this time (last time my fiancée complained about having to stand up for 3 hours, and she doesn't want to repeat the experience!) Cheers all, Paul Fellows http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25839 Re: Shepherd's Bush 12 May Geir Smedsrud Mon 1/29/2001 4 KB 26150 Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - Rainer Rutka Tue 2/27/2001 2 KB 34637 Anthology 3 CD-PROMO set, new TD sampler 'Journey Rainer Rutka Mon 7/1/2002 3 KB 34647 Re: Anthology 3 CD-PROMO set, new TD sampler 'Jou Gustavo Jobim Tue 7/2/2002 2 KB 34662 Re: Anthology 3 CD-PROMO set, new TD sampler 'Jou heineu Tue 7/2/2002 3 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 2:39 am Subject: Shepherd's Bush Hi everyone, Just a spot of heavy irony for you all to consider...... A year or two ago, TDI ended their information-support to independently-run fanzines such as Dream Collector, citing the fact that any and all information surrounding Tangerine Dream, their music, releases, concerts and other activities could be accessed from their website; a sound idea in principle. That is, until we consider the fact that many of us, including myself, already have tickets for a concert which, had I relied solely on their website for information, I would, to this day, know absolutely nothing about. Still, roll on May 12th! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26021 Shepherd's Bush Scott Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 7:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush 12 May Bon Soir Paul, good idea. My name is Geir Smedsrud, currently from Oslo, Norway. I have been a fan since I discovered TD during my military stint in -86. Currently working as a clerk in an government agency, namely the directorate for the prevention of drugs- and alcohol misuse :-) I do drink, thoug... I have been on and off this mailinglist since, about -94 I guess, but I have never been the most vocal. I'm not a collector either per see, but that could change. If you're assembling mug-shots you could grab mine from my miserable and underdeveloped homepage at http://home.online.no/~rsmedsru/pics/MEG.GIF I plan to come in on friday and leave monday, but I won't reserve anything untill it's officially ON. I plan to stay in the Sheperds Bush - Hammersmith area, but I don't know the local water holes, so I leave it up to someone else to suggest a meeting place. ABTW, I am coming alone too. Keep us informed, will you :-) Geir At 19:05 29.01.01 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all, > >As I was at Shepherd's Bush in '96 but didn't meet anyone from this list >because I didn't have a computer at the time and hence didn't know any of >you, can I take this opportunity to suggest something: > >Could everyone who is going please drop me a quick message, giving a few >details about yourselves (name, how long you've been a fan, which country >you come from, how you can be identified at the concert and/or where you >would like to meet up before the concert, stuff like that). > >Of course, you are not obliged to do this, and anyone who wishes to remain >just a face in the crowd can ignore this message, but it would be great to >get to know as many people as possible, especially as I'm coming from France >and will be by myself this time (last time my fiancée complained about >having to stand up for 3 hours, and she doesn't want to repeat the >experience!) > >Cheers all, > >Paul Fellows > >http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html Best Regards Geir From: 'James Williams' Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 2:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush Mine Arrived This morning J. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Foster' To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 8:59 AM Subject: [tadream] Shepherds Bush > My ticket arrived in the snailmail on Friday. > > David > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: fstephe@a... Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 1:26 am Subject: stuff for sale I have some rare tapes for sale. If anybody is interested please e-mail me privately for a list. The groups include Three, ELPowell, Genesis, Marillion, Tangerine Dream, Mike Oldfield. I am not gauging the prices. I am trying to find good homes for them and just want to recoup the price of the tape and postage that I paid. Thanks. From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 8:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Oktober David Foster schrieb: > Anyone have any suggestions of cheap accommodation? Does anyone know the dates for Berlin? Who is going? It would be great to meet up. Hi Gang, the concert will be on Sunday, October 7th and I'll be there. As usual I will wear my old 'Rocket to Russia' t-shirt (does anyone on this list know the Ramones...? ;-) I don't know any cheap accomodation, but as far I remember the city of Bernau has its own homepage and there was also a listing of guest houses and hotels. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25843 Re: Oktober Rainer Rutka Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 8:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Oktober On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > ..the concert will be on Sunday, October 7th and I'll be there. As usual I will wear my old 'Rocket to Russia' t-shirt (does anyone on this list know the Ramones...? ;-) :-) Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:23 am Subject: What! it's turning brown! Hello all, first, sorry to post a private post on the group yesterday, but nothing in it is a secret :-) secondly, my copy of the rubycon-cd is turning into a nice brown colour. Is this a known property of cds? As far as I know it's the only one that I have that does this. It plays ok still, and I hope it will continue to because it's my favorite. Med vennlig hilsen Geir Smedsrud Avdeling for engros- og tilvirkningsbevillinger Rusmiddeldirektoratet Tlf. 22 24 65 54 geir.smedsrud@r... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25848 Re: What! it's turning brown! Alexander Bjelke Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25849 Re: What! it's turning brown! Antonio Nunes Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25852 Re: What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25850 Re: What! it's turning brown! Phil White Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25853 Re: What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25858 Re: What! it's turning brown! PENFOLD Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB 25851 Re: What! it's turning brown! Vincent Goudreault Tue 1/30/2001 3 KB 25854 Re: What! it's turning brown! Steve Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25857 Re: What! it's turning brown! Steve Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 1:24 pm Subject: ebay auction hi everyone i have listed a few of my spare TD items on ebay please have a look,there may be something you need!!! http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=duncan41&includ\ e=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: mckee17@m... Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 1:26 pm Subject: ebay items hi again the link is not working just search under my ebay name duncan41 thanks From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 1:41 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Oktober On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > ..the concert will be on Sunday, October 7th and I'll be there. This is a TD concert? What city? Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25868 SV: [tadream] Oktober Glenn Folkvord Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB From: 'Alexander Bjelke' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 5:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! > > Hello all, > > first, sorry to post a private post on the group yesterday, but nothing in > it is a secret :-) > > secondly, my copy of the rubycon-cd is turning into a nice brown > colour. Is > this a known property of cds? As far as I know it's the only one > that I have > that does this. It plays ok still, and I hope it will continue to because > it's my favorite. CD's will only last for 30+ years (depends on a lot of factors, like light, humidity and such) -The myth that they will last forever is not true. But I don't know if thats what happening to your disc though... regards Alexander From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 5:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud wrote: > > secondly, my copy of the rubycon-cd is turning into a nice brown colour. Is > this a known property of cds? As far as I know it's the only one that I have > that does this. It plays ok still, and I hope it will continue to because > it's my favorite. Hello Geir, nice to see you again on tadream. If I were you, I would make a CDR copy of that brown Rubycon before it's too late. Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25852 Re: What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 6:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! I checked my copy of Rubycon purchased in 1984 and IT isn't turning brown ( well not yet anyway... ) This is a new phenomenon to me at least. Have any other Dreamers encountered this bizzare development ? I also played it whilst I had it off the shelf and enjoyed listening to it with real pleasure after some of the not-quite-so-good recent releases ( IMO ). ATB Phil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25853 Re: What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25858 Re: What! it's turning brown! PENFOLD Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB From: Vincent Goudreault Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 9:49 pm Subject: Re: What! it's turning brown! tadream@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > Message: 16 > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:50:24 -0000 > From: 'Phil White' > Subject: Re: What! it's turning brown! > > I checked my copy of Rubycon purchased in 1984 and IT isn't turning brown > ( well not yet anyway... ) > This is a new phenomenon to me at least. > Have any other Dreamers encountered this bizzare development ? > I also played it whilst I had it off the shelf and enjoyed listening to it > with real > pleasure after some of the not-quite-so-good recent releases ( IMO ). > > ATB Phil > Very strange. My copy has ALWAYS had some sort of a golden tint into it, but it hasn't changed over the last 10 years... Unless that would be Ricochet... I always end up listening to those two back to back. C.B.V. Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25854 Re: What! it's turning brown! Steve Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB 25857 Re: What! it's turning brown! Steve Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 9:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! Thanks Antonio, that was indeed a good idea! Hope you're well on your island paradise my friend :-). I have no plans to vacate this list for a while now. At 17:02 30.01.01 +0000, you wrote: >Hello Geir, nice to see you again on tadream. If I were you, I would >make a CDR copy of that brown Rubycon before it's too late. > >Antonio Nunes > Best Regards Geir From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! I tried to scan the cd to show you how it looks. It is only on the text-side it has the tinge, and while the scan is less than perfect, you can clearly see the redish - brown tinge. I uploaded the picture for those of you who want to take a look, it's about 65k. http://home.online.no/~rsmedsru/pics/rubycon.png Best regards, Geir At 18:50 30.01.01 +0000, you wrote: >I checked my copy of Rubycon purchased in 1984 and IT isn't turning brown >( well not yet anyway... ) >This is a new phenomenon to me at least. >Have any other Dreamers encountered this bizzare development ? >I also played it whilst I had it off the shelf and enjoyed listening to it >with real pleasure after some of the not-quite-so-good recent releases ( IMO ). ATB Phil From: 'Steve' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: What! it's turning brown! I've had several CDs acquire a brown tinge over the years. Some play, some don't. I remember hearing that there were problems in one or more pressing plants that caused this. Off the top of my head brown CDs include a few on the Island label, the Velvet Underground's Another View and the first version of Peter Hammill's 'Fall of the House of Usher'. In the case of the latter I think the record company actually recognised the problem and offered to replace copies as long as they had stocks. Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25857 Re: What! it's turning brown! Steve Tue 1/30/2001 2 KB From: Winston Edmond Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:51 pm Subject: Re: What! it's turning brown! Geir Smedsrud : > my copy of the rubycon-cd is turning into a nice brown colour. > Is this a known property of cds? Tell your Significant Other that not liking that sort of music doesn't excuse using the CD as a coffee cup coaster. :-) -WBE From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:56 pm Subject: Re: What! it's turning brown! >I checked my copy of Rubycon purchased in 1984 and IT isn't turning brown >( well not yet anyway... ) >This is a new phenomenon to me at least. >Have any other Dreamers encountered this bizzare development ? My copy of White Eagle, the first TD studio album I bought (bought extracts from Poland the same day), is the old version with framed cover. I hate that cover. It has always been brown since I bought it, and I think that colour is kinda cool. It seems to have been made that way, because it's really very brown, specially on the edges. It looks really burnt. My copy of Tangram is also the old one, but it looks 'not-brown'. I have quite a few CDRs, not-so-good-quality CDRs, that are also turning brown with time (or with use?). Their printed surface is (used to be) plain white, now it's getting a brownish colour. gustavo jobim gustavfj@m... From: 'Steve' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 11:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: What! it's turning brown! I said: > I've had several CDs acquire a brown tinge over the years Now I come to think of it, I'm sure I've heard the process described as 'bronzing'... Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 12:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! At 01.01.30-18:50, Phil White wrote: >Have any other Dreamers encountered this bizzare development ? My copy of _White Eagle_ seems to suffering from the same malady Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 11:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] What! it's turning brown! Hello! It make 19years that i have this record and 'no problemo'with(&like others),and i play-played it since 82. I suggest to you AS Tangerine Dream 'fan', AS Dj (like me) to acquire a VYNIL copy ( just to 'smell'the fantastic feeling of one of numerous 'apogee'of T.D. with the carton-cover & the normal-good-cracking of LP.) ERICK aka Döktor STRANGE & Tzi cosmik UNITY ( Atmo-Trance Live-Act & Ambient Mix-3sources) From: Tom Richmond Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 1:49 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for participation Hello again everyone: This is the last call for sign-ups for the 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' 2-CDR tree. Details, including a track listing can be found at www.tadream.net . If you'd like to participate, please send an email with your name and snail mail address to tmrtree@h... . At this time we have more branches than necessary so all further sign-ups will be added as leaves. Any questions, please email me at the above address. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25879 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for particip Eric Rochon Thu 2/1/2001 2 KB 25884 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for particip Joe Shoults Fri 2/2/2001 2 KB 25885 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for particip Eric Rochon Fri 2/2/2001 2 KB 25886 White Cloths Steve Fri 2/2/2001 2 KB 25887 Canyon Dreams - Franke credit Roy Teale Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 7:51 am Subject: Conventional steel layer CDs oxidize (rust) On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:23:36 -0000 'Steve' writes: > >I've had several CDs acquire a brown tinge over the years >Now I come to think of it, I'm sure I've heard the process >described as 'bronzing'... Lessee, unless I'm wrong, it's merely visually blatant oxidation of the steel layer of the disc laminated inside the plastic. Conventional record company-released CDs only have an optimal playback life of 5 years, after which the steel begins to oxidize so much that signal loss begins to be an issue. Gold CDs, however, have a projected optimal playback life of 80-120 years. By oxidation, I basically mean rust. That's why the CDs are turning brown. I'm surprised that they don't turn dark orange instead. -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - Quip: 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.' --Albert Einstein Another: 'Science is to investigate the unexplained, not to 'explain' the uninvestigated.' --Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist and UFO researcher Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25864 Re: Conventional steel layer CDs oxidize (rust) Joel S. Mullen Wed 1/31/2001 3 KB 25865 Re: Bronzing CDs Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB 25866 Re: Bronzing CDs PENFOLD Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 5:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:03:04 -0000 'David Foster' writes: >Whilst playing Mars I came across this quote in a local paper.... > >The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the >universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. They've contacted us. It's just that our governments think we're too stupid to be told. They're right. -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - Quip: 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.' --Albert Einstein Another: 'Science is to investigate the unexplained, not to 'explain' the uninvestigated.' --Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist and UFO researcher From: 'S.C.Slator' Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 11:06 am Subject: Check this out I know some of you are aware of my ventures into musical composition. Over the past year, my music has gone from the dark, barren atmospheres inspired by early Tangerine Dream through to more melodic instrumental music, which I believe will be enjoyed more by fans of Mike Oldfield and Schmoelling/Haslinger-era Tangerine Dream. My new CD, 'The Art of Deception' concentrates on the melodic nature added to past two albums, recorded with MIDI sequencers as opposed to MOD/XM trackers to make the sound more professional. The CD runs for almost 51 minutes and contains 8 tracks, ranging from 4-10 minutes. There are free CD-quality MP3 downloads available at http://www.mp3.com/simonslator which you can download at your own convenience. There are also Low-quality MP3s that can be downloaded on 32-56kbps modems. If you like sequence-based music, you'll enjoy the title track and the 10min long 'Rites of Passion'. If 'Tangram' and 'Underwater Sunlight' are favourites, you'll enjoy 'Domains', and if you like 'Green Desert', check out 'The Last of What Remains'. Please consider downloading the tracks - if you like what you hear, please either consider buying the CD or at least e-mail me (simon@s...) with any comments or suggestions. Thanks Simon Slator http://www.mp3.com/simonslator http://www.simonslator.co.uk From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 5:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Conventional steel layer CDs oxidize (rust) Steven- I thought the metal layer laminated inside the disc was Aluminum, not steel. So it could not rust, just oxidize. And that would only occur if there was damage to the plastic surface or edge of the CD. Maybe some older CDs did use something other than Al for a data layer, but I am unaware of that (at least they never told me ;-) Regards, Joel On Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:52 AM, scfeldman@j... [SMTP:scfeldman@j...] wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:23:36 -0000 'Steve' writes: > > > >I've had several CDs acquire a brown tinge over the years > >Now I come to think of it, I'm sure I've heard the process > >described as 'bronzing'... > > Lessee, unless I'm wrong, it's merely visually blatant > oxidation of the steel layer of the disc laminated inside the > plastic. Conventional record company-released CDs only have > an optimal playback life of 5 years, after which the steel > begins to oxidize so much that signal loss begins to be an > issue. Gold CDs, however, have a projected optimal playback > life of 80-120 years. > By oxidation, I basically mean rust. That's why the CDs > are turning brown. I'm surprised that they don't turn dark > orange instead. > > -- Steven Feldman > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25865 Re: Bronzing CDs Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB 25866 Re: Bronzing CDs PENFOLD Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 7:07 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs >I thought the metal layer laminated inside the disc was Aluminum, >not steel. So it could not rust, just oxidize... Yes, it's aluminum and it's oxidizing. This is a problem mostly found on CDs pressed at the Philips & Du Pont Optical UK Ltd (PDO) between 1988 and 1993. The lacquer used to cover the aluminum cannot withstand the sulphur in the paper of the booklet. When the sulphur has eaten through the lacquer the oxygen in the air will reach the aluminum and it will oxidize. Eventually the CD will stop playing... Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' near the center hole... Full story: http://classical.efront.com/music/guide/society/krs/excerpt3.html Rolf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25866 Re: Bronzing CDs PENFOLD Wed 1/31/2001 2 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 8:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs At 01.01.31-20:07, Rolf Elfström wrote: >Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' >near the center hole... €0.02 that's what's on my copy of _White Eagle_ Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 8:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs Rolf Elfström wrote: > > Yes, it's aluminum and it's oxidizing. This is a problem mostly > found on CDs pressed at the Philips & Du Pont Optical UK Ltd (PDO) > between 1988 and 1993. The lacquer used to cover the aluminum > cannot withstand the sulphur in the paper of the booklet. > (...) > Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' > near the center hole... Thanks for the info, Rolf. My copy of White Eagle (CDV2226) is labeled 'Made in U.K. by PDO' and actually it looks very suspicious, its colour is almost as if it was a golden CD. Curiously the golden tinge is very uniform, unlike Geir's Rubycon. Anyway, it's backup time! Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25869 Re: Bronzing CDs Neal Frost Wed 1/31/2001 3 KB 25870 Re: Bronzing CDs Frank Arellano Thu 2/1/2001 4 KB 26009 Re: Bronzing CDs tom george Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26013 Re: Bronzing CDs Antonio Nunes Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB 26031 Re: Bronzing CDs John Marchington Wed 2/14/2001 5 KB 26036 Re: Bronzing CDs Gustavo Jobim Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 10:19 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Oktober > On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > > ..the concert will be on Sunday, October 7th and I'll be there. This is a TD concert? What city? Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Wed Jan 31, 2001 11:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs Made in UK by PDO is on my inner ring of White Eagle as well. However, mine has not started to turn colors. It has ALWAYS had a very slight goldish tint to it on the top side of the disc. The under side is still silver looking. I am playing it now and it still sounds great! Of course, that could just be that the music ON THE disc is GREAT! Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: PENFOLD To: tadream@yahoogroups.com ;tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: 1/31/01 4:11:22 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs At 01.01.31-20:07, Rolf Elfström wrote: Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' near the center hole... €0.02 that's what's on my copy of _White Eagle_ Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 12:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs Hey Neal, did you receive my two emails. I had to resend them to a different address, because the first ones came back undeliverable. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Neal Frost' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 4:18 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs Made in UK by PDO is on my inner ring of White Eagle as well. However, mine has not started to turn colors. It has ALWAYS had a very slight goldish tint to it on the top side of the disc. The under side is still silver looking. I am playing it now and it still sounds great! Of course, that could just be that the music ON THE disc is GREAT! Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: PENFOLD To: tadream@yahoogroups.com ;tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: 1/31/01 4:11:22 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Bronzing CDs At 01.01.31-20:07, Rolf Elfström wrote: Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' near the center hole... ?0.02 that's what's on my copy of _White Eagle_ Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 6:16 am Subject: re: my tribute CD re: my tribute CD It is my understanding that parody CDs don't need clearances (in the U.S. anyway), so you may just change the nature of your tribute CD to parody and voila the problem goes away. Perhaps you can just ape the ambient monkeys CD. --teiwaz (needs sleep--too much live blue floyd last night) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 8:38 am Subject: Conventional steel layer CDs oxidize (rust) - NO ! >Lessee, unless I'm wrong, it's merely visually blatant >oxidation of the steel layer of the disc laminated inside the >plastic. I know nothing about the original problem ('browning' of CDs), but this I know: you _are_ wrong. The reflective layer on CDs is not laminated, it's sputtered. Materials used have been Aluminum and Silver (for the more common, silvery looking disks) and Gold. Certainly, positively, definitely: there is no steel. I've been working for companies that supplied the machines and the materials, so this is first hand knowledge. 99.x % of all CDs are coated with Aluminum, and that's oxidised at the surface already, right after the coating. The process is self-limiting, so all's stable afterwards. The 'best' way to destroy the Al is by halides (Chlorine, Fluorine) from the ink used on the printing side. This actually happend in the early days of CDs, until 'safe' inks were always used. TD's 'Flashpoint' was one of the CDs affected by what was then called 'CD rot'. Playable copies of the original HMI release of Flashpoint are a super-rarity. Even 'rotted' ones are rare, as most have been recalled. cheers, klaus From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 2:30 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] re: my tribute CD > It is my understanding that parody CDs don't need clearances (in the U.S. > anyway), so you may just change the nature of your tribute CD to parody and > voila the problem goes away. When Weird Al Yankowics (sp?), an US based parody musician, use famous songs he does pay copyright fees because his CDs are filled with the songs, he does not hide where the songs come from and he credits the original composers. If he had a stand-up show, used 30 seconds of a song to joke with the artist, and recorded it for a CD release he wouldnt have to pay because it comes under the term fair use, as parody. If a radio station used 30 seconds of a song as a jingle for a show, they'd have to pay royalties because that does not come under the term fair use. If someone were to release a CD with cover versions, be it for a tribute or parody CD, obviously the original composers must be credited and the problem still remains. If the original composers are not credited, it will appear that the artist composed the music and it will be up to the courts to decide if the songs are similar enough to TD's if TDI decide to sue. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25881 Re: SV: [tadream] re: my tribute CD Feldon Feldon Fri 2/2/2001 2 KB From: mengels@w... Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 3:27 pm Subject: see you Hi, I'll be on vacation for the coming 10 days, skiing in the South of France. So if you don't get a reply from me you know why. :-) Later! Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25875 Re: see you Joe Shoults Thu 2/1/2001 2 KB 25876 Re: see you DoKToR STRaNGe Thu 2/1/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 3:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] see you I know you sent that just to make us all jealous! ;-) > -----Original Message----- > I'll be on vacation for the coming > 10 days, skiing in the South of France. > So if you don't get a reply from me > you know why. :-) > > Later! > Marcel From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] see you Not ALL...i live in south of France . Hé Hé! From: AirWave Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 6:58 pm Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze Concert Michal Moroz wrote : >> here a message for all Klaus Schulze Fan`s: > >> he will perform at the 'Klangart Festival' in Osnabrück/Germany -Stadthalle >> on Saturdaythe 09th of June 2001 at 8.00 >pm. Don't know about you guys on the list, but I will be there. My Dream comming true. To catch my fave synth musician live at the same venue as I saw the last great TD concert. I would be great if we could organize a list gettogether in a nearby pub before the concert. AirWave. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 10:14 pm Subject: Bronzing White Eagle My copy of White Eagle has the same problem. I can still play it, but it's so corroded that I can even scratch the media off of the outer edge... Gotta backup it now! Or maybe buy the 'definitive' edition... gustavo jobim gustavfj@m... From: 'Eric Rochon' Date: Mon Feb 1, 1999 11:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for participation Could I join ? Éric Rochon Leaf Canada Thank you Éric From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 12:54 am Subject: Yet another CD Now discount coupon Hi again. There is ANOTHER CD Now coupon available, this time 10 bucks off 49.90, expires february 14. URL is: http://www.cdnow.com/from=red:x:cdn:0131int/from=sr-3836499 -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 8:06 am Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] re: my tribute CD >From: 'Glenn Folkvord' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > > It is my understanding that parody CDs don't need clearances (in the >U.S. > > anyway), so you may just change the nature of your tribute CD to parody >and > > voila the problem goes away. > >When Weird Al Yankovic, an US based parody musician, use famous songs >he does pay copyright fees because his CDs are filled with the songs, he >does not hide where the songs come from and he credits the original >composers. He had a lawsuit over 'Addicted to Love' when he changed it to 'Addicted to Spuds'. I don't know whatever happened to this case. I know the tapes/CDs were not pulled from the shelves. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 1:08 pm Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] re: my tribute CD Feldon Feldon > He had a lawsuit over 'Addicted to Love' when he changed it to 'Addicted to > Spuds'. I don't know whatever happened to this case. I know the tapes/CDs > were not pulled from the shelves. Cases like this can be tricky. Without the permission of the original creator or the one who holds the copyrights, you cannot change a song or lyrics too much. If you, say, are making a cover version or a remix, you cannot just insert a chorus composed by yourself into the song. A credit in the CD booklet which reads 'Composed by Edgar Froese and Glenn Folkvord' could and should invoke a lawsuit unless it was a collaboration :-) Maybe the same goes for lyrics and maybe that is why he was sued, but I suspect Weird Al wrote completely new lyrics for Addicted to Love and just used the melody, and it would be my guess Al got out of the court without paying damages. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 8:39 pm Subject: Solution - Bronzed CDs Hello everyone, I think this is the solution for the bronzed CDs. Following the like posted by , I got to Hyperion Records site and there they gave an email address, and said PDO is willing to replace all the bronzed CDs, with or without audio problems. This is the email I just got from PDO: >>From: Reception >>Sender: Reception >>To: Gustavo Jobim >>Date: 02 Feb 2001, 11:21:22 AM >>Subject: Bronzed CD >> >>Dear Gustavo >> >>Thank you for your E mail >> >>We try to replace all bronzed CD's manufactured by PDO UK >> >>I have all your details and I will attend to the matter ASAP >> >>Please be patient as this can take upto 6 - 8 weeks >> >>Thank you and regards >>GTaylor So all you have to do is just ask for your replacements, sending all the details about the CD (I gave them all the numbers I could find in my copy of White Eagle, including the bar code number), and also sending your mail address. BTW, thanks to you who posted that address! see ya GJ From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 2:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for participation Eric - click a link in the footer below to send a message directly to Tom, indicating whether you will be a branch or leaf. > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Rochon [mailto:rochon@i...] > Could I join ? > Éric Rochon From: 'Eric Rochon' Date: Tue Feb 2, 1999 9:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales - last call for participation Thank you Joe Éric Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25886 White Cloths Steve Fri 2/2/2001 2 KB 25887 Canyon Dreams - Franke credit Roy Teale Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB From: 'Steve' Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 11:51 pm Subject: White Cloths I'm about halfway through my second listening of White Cloths disc 1 (courtesy of alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.bootlegs), the first time I've heard any TD outside of the official releases. I cannot believe that they're keeping music of this calibre in the vaults rather than releasing it! This MP3 is going straight to CDR and thence to the regularly played rack! Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25887 Canyon Dreams - Franke credit Roy Teale Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB From: 'Roy Teale' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 6:36 am Subject: Canyon Dreams - Franke credit Did Christopher Franke officially go by the name 'Christoph Franke' at any time? That's the way he's listed on the credits on the Canyon Dreams DVD, even though it's 'Christopher' on the DVD cover. Roy From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 6:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Canyon Dreams - Franke credit The concert announcers never knew what to call him. In fact one of the concerts (Encore I think) he stumbles and says Christoph... and then drops off and then says Franke, 'all very well known as Tangerine Dream'. He's gone by Christopher, Chris, but I think mostly Christoph. Anyone with more CF knowledge care to chip in? >From: 'Roy Teale' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Canyon Dreams - Franke credit >Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 00:36:19 -0600 > >Did Christopher Franke officially go by the name 'Christoph Franke' at any >time? That's the way he's listed on the credits on the Canyon Dreams DVD, >even though it's 'Christopher' on the DVD cover. >Roy > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25892 Re: Canyon Dreams - Franke credit glynn_naughton@h... Sat 2/3/2001 3 KB 25894 Canyon Dreams - Franke credit Klaus Beschorner Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB From: 'David Foster' Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 7:56 pm Subject: Shepherds Bush So who is going and who has got their tickets? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25890 Re: Shepherds Bush Gary Jenkins Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25893 Re: Shepherds Bush - Rainer will be there Rainer Rutka Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25895 Re: Shepherds Bush Matthew Stringer Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25916 Re: Shepherds Bush horrod6@n... Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 8:33 am Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush --- In tadream@y..., 'David Foster' wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? HI Dave I am in possesion of three tickets for myself and my mate a big fan who is not on line and his other half who quite likes them. may see you in the Moon on the green pub during the afternoon. Cheers Gary > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Thenite0wl@a... Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 10:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherds Bush I seem to have missed out on this gen, having only joined the list a few days ago.... I presume its TD at S.Bush.... when is it please, and the best chance of getting tickets.....?? Paul. From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 11:25 am Subject: Re: Canyon Dreams - Franke credit --- In tadream@y..., 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > The concert announcers never knew what to call him. In fact one of the > concerts (Encore I think) he stumbles and says Christoph... and then drops > off and then says Franke, 'all very well known as Tangerine Dream'. > > He's gone by Christopher, Chris, but I think mostly Christoph. Anyone with > more CF knowledge care to chip in? It's basically the 'Middle-Age Expanding Name Syndrome' that many rock musicians go through. (c.f. Dave --> David Gilmour, etc). I suppose that they think that the longer versions sound more appropriate and dignified for middle age. Also the anglo version, 'Christopher', would presumably be more congenial to the USA market. (The announcer on _Encore_ doesn't call him Christoph. He sez 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese and Chris...'Frank', all well-known as Tangerine Dream.') Long-Name Syndrome is amusing, but at least it's not as bad as those total arseholes who give themselves nicknames. Will 'The Edge' still be known as such when he's a grandad, for instance? What will his grandchildren call him? ('Fucking prick', if they've any sense.) Glynn From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 12:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush - Rainer will be there On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, David Foster wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? > David I got mine 5 days ago :-) !! Rainer (Rutka). C U in London! --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 10:24 am Subject: Canyon Dreams - Franke credit His birth name is Christoph His nickname was and is Chris When he moved to the US, he started using Christopher, to avoid the double 'f' sound at the end of his first and the beginning of his family name, which seemed to trouble his american business partners. That was explained by the man himself in a published interview. Might be the E.Dreams one, but I'd have to look it up. cheers, klaus From: Matthew Stringer Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 5:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush I have and I'll be there!!! On Friday 02 February 2001 19:56, you wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? > > David > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH >my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my > address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Electronic Music' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 4:30 pm Subject: Just 5 minutes Hello : My name is Thalassa and I'm a musician and I'm promoting my song 'Let's fly'. I'm asking you a little of help to get this song higher at the charts at Mp3.com . For you is only 5 minutes but for me is a lot of help. So please if you can ... The only thing that you have to do is going to my page (the url below) and play the song, is easy and only takes 5 minutes. The song is in Jean Michel Jarre style and I think that you'll enjoy playing it. Is the first song of my page. Please help me. http://www.mp3.com/thalassa Thanks for your time: Thalassa Sorry if you didn't want to get this e-mail. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 4:32 pm Subject: From the TD website... >-- Tangerine Dream to play shows in Europe and the USA!!! > >We are in the midst of getting several shows in support of the >upcoming 'Dream Mixes III'- album ready in Europe and the U.S. in >May and June. Many people have been requesting as to why we have not >posted any dates here, yet. The reason is that they are still not >100% confirmed. We will post dates and infos as soon as the >contracts are signed and the shows are confirmed but we do not want >to advertise anything that is not 100% sure. Keep checking this >place for more info - the first dates will be posted very soon! Glynn From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 5:21 pm Subject: homepage update Hi all, I've updated the lists on my hompage. Here's what's new: readme.txt - some more info about 'how to copy CDRs' remcorr.txt - more remarks and corrections added swaplist.txt - updated newstuff.txt - updated and errors corrected mainlist.txt - some errors corrected http://www.caby.de/Music Due to business travel I can't put up a new auction and rarity yet, but this should be up by the end of next week. In the meantime, I'm open to suggestions as to what items from my swaplist you would like to see auctioned. cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26715 homepage update Klaus Beschorner Tue 4/10/2001 2 KB 27876 homepage update Klaus Beschorner Tue 7/24/2001 2 KB 30838 homepage update Klaus Beschorner Tue 12/25/2001 2 KB 33266 homepage update Klaus Beschorner Mon 4/8/2002 3 KB 35268 homepage update Klaus Beschorner Thu 8/8/2002 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 6:03 pm Subject: Re: White Cloths >From: 'Steve' >Subject: White Cloths > >I'm about halfway through my second listening of White Cloths disc 1 >(...) I cannot believe that they're keeping music of this calibre in the vaults rather than releasing it! >Steve Wait till you hear Nostragram (also 1980), with the 20 minute Silver Scale... :) Surely one of the greatest TD concerts ever! gustavo jobim gustavfj@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25900 Re: White Cloths James E. Jacoby Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 8:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: White Cloths --- Gustavo Jobim wrote: > Wait till you hear Nostragram (also 1980), with the 20 minute > Silver Scale... :) > Surely one of the greatest TD concerts ever! > I am greatly intrigued! Is there someone out there who can email me with information on how to get my hands on a copy? James __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 9:09 pm Subject: Mars Polaris Plural Having seen 'Mars Polaris' pop up on so many top ten lists over the last few months, I finally went out and picked up my copy of it. After a couple of listens I thought it was good, but not nearly as good as I had been led to believe. It had some nice tracks, but a lot of it sounded like typical Miramar-era TD (which is likeable, don't get me wrong). I guess you could color me a little disappointed. One of my favorite tracks was the uncredited 11th track. Since when does TD do uncredited tracks? Then one morning, before I opened my store for business (I manage a music store), I popped it into the store CD player to listen to while getting ready. I only have a few discs in stock, and I was in the mood for something more contemporary from their catalog. Huh? What? This doesn't sound familiar... was I just really tired the few times I listened to my copy? I could swear this is very very different... wow, this is damned good! How did I not take to this the first time around? This is really odd... wait, that track sounded familiar, but most of these others don't. Something strange was definitely afoot, so I ran out to my car and grabbed my copy of MP to compare... sure enough, even though the markings on both discs were identical, they were completely different discs! I figured they must've accidentally printed a different album on the disc, but then I heard some of the tunes I recognized... I was confused. There were at least 3 songs that were common on both discs, though in different sequences... but for the most part, it was different! And better! Very better! And the store copy had no uncredited 11th track. So now I pose the question to you all: what happened? How did I get a misprinted disc that still included a few of the correct songs? And which disc did I get? James __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25902 Re: Mars Polaris Plural Jared White Sat 2/3/2001 3 KB 25903 Re: Mars Polaris Plural Feldon Feldon Sat 2/3/2001 5 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 9:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Mars Polaris Plural > -----Original Message----- > From: James E. Jacoby [mailto:galador@y...] > So now I pose the question to you all: what happened? How did I get > a misprinted disc that still included a few of the correct songs? > And which disc did I get? I'm sure you'll get about five gazillion replies to this, but, basically, there was a pressing error at the factory and a very few of the Mars Polaris discs contained a TDI demo made up of a few Mars Polaris tracks as well as some tracks from the Great Wall of China soundtrack which is a lot more like the Mirarmar-era stuff. Go to the TDI Web site -- at the bottom of the main page they talk all about it. I'm not sure what you could do, other than see if you can return your copy of the CD for another one. Or keep it as a collector's item! :) Take care, Jared P. S. The *real* Mars Polaris album is, indeed, very good. It may take a few objective listens to really get into it, though -- sort of like Logos for me. It took a *long* time for me to like Logos, believe it or not. Whereas I liked Tangram instantly! From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Feb 3, 2001 10:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris Plural Hang on to that disc!!!! That 11 track disc is in demand for its rarity! >From: 'James E. Jacoby' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Mars Polaris Plural >Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:09:13 -0800 (PST) > >Having seen 'Mars Polaris' pop up on so many top ten lists over the >last few months, I finally went out and picked up my copy of it. > >After a couple of listens I thought it was good, but not nearly as >good as I had been led to believe. It had some nice tracks, but a >lot of it sounded like typical Miramar-era TD (which is likeable, >don't get me wrong). I guess you could color me a little >disappointed. One of my favorite tracks was the uncredited 11th >track. Since when does TD do uncredited tracks? > >Then one morning, before I opened my store for business (I manage a >music store), I popped it into the store CD player to listen to while >getting ready. I only have a few discs in stock, and I was in the >mood for something more contemporary from their catalog. > >Huh? What? This doesn't sound familiar... was I just really tired >the few times I listened to my copy? I could swear this is very very >different... wow, this is damned good! How did I not take to this >the first time around? This is really odd... wait, that track >sounded familiar, but most of these others don't. > >Something strange was definitely afoot, so I ran out to my car and >grabbed my copy of MP to compare... sure enough, even though the >markings on both discs were identical, they were completely different >discs! > >I figured they must've accidentally printed a different album on the >disc, but then I heard some of the tunes I recognized... I was >confused. There were at least 3 songs that were common on both >discs, though in different sequences... but for the most part, it was >different! And better! Very better! And the store copy had no >uncredited 11th track. > >So now I pose the question to you all: what happened? How did I get >a misprinted disc that still included a few of the correct songs? >And which disc did I get? > >James > > >__________________________________________________ >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Chris Richards Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 11:06 am Subject: Re: Encore intro <> I always thought it was 'They are all known as Tangerine Dream'. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25912 Re: Encore intro olle.rundgren@s... Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB 25914 Re: Encore intro scfeldman@j... Mon 2/5/2001 3 KB 25922 Re: Encore intro Phil Wingfield Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB 25926 Re: Encore intro again James E. Jacoby Tue 2/6/2001 2 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 5:26 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Shepherds Bush Hi all, For your info, here's the beginnings of a list of people who are or might be going to Shepherd's Bush on 12 May: Matthew Stringer (UK) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Paul 'the Night Owl' (UK?) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) David Foster (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Michael Jean (USA, not sure) Already quite a cosmopolitan bunch. Perhaps we should warn the Moon on the Green pub in advance to make sure they don't run out of Guinness... Anyone who's going and isn't mentioned above, please get in touch! Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25907 Re: Re : [tadream] Shepherds Bush Brian Stewart Sun 2/4/2001 2 KB 25915 Re: Re : [tadream] Shepherds Bush Joe Shoults Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 1:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush So who is going and who has got their tickets? David Two of us are coming from Scotland. Got the tickets last weekend. Hope to meet some of you before the show. Has anyone else been bothered today by a spammer offering a 'rare' Russian compilation of TD studio albums? I hope TD's lawyers catch-up with him! Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25908 Re: Shepherds Bush Rainer Rutka Sun 2/4/2001 2 KB 25909 Re: Shepherds Bush glynn_naughton@h... Sun 2/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] Shepherds Bush Hi My last reply seems to have bombed! There are two of us coming from Scotland, Brian & Steve. Looking forward to meeting you. Guinness will do nicely! Best Wishes Brian ----------------------- Hi all, For your info, here's the beginnings of a list of people who are or might be going to Shepherd's Bush on 12 May: Matthew Stringer (UK) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Paul 'the Night Owl' (UK?) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) David Foster (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Michael Jean (USA, not sure) Already quite a cosmopolitan bunch. Perhaps we should warn the Moon on the Green pub in advance to make sure they don't run out of Guinness... Anyone who's going and isn't mentioned above, please get in touch! Paul _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Brian Stewart wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? It's onto my computer screen! So I can't forget. Just have to reserve a hotel not too far from the SBE. Can anybody provide me a good one (name of the hotel)? Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 7:46 pm Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush --- In tadream@y..., 'Brian Stewart' wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? > David I'll be there. However, it now looks as if my 3-and-a-half-year stint as an _incola Londini_ might be coming to an end, so instead of a short ride on the Tube I'll be coming across from Grenoble, France. I'm still debating whether a 20% drop in salary is an acceptable price to pay for expanding my horizons a bit and learning to speak French, but I think I'm gonna go for it... It just occured to me that May 12 is probably Cup Final day, so the Moon on the Green pub is likely to be pretty packed. Glynn From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Sun Feb 4, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: Accomodation in London Hi Rainer and others, I have done some research on the subject and has come up with some options. There are at least 5 bed and breakfast hotels in a row just a few hundred meters south of the empire on Sheperds Bush Road: Dalmacia Hotel, http://www.cityscan.co.uk/sites/3247 , £39-59-79 Star Hotel, £35-55-95 Hotel Orlando, http://www.hotelorlando.co.uk/home.htm , £35-48-66 Windsor Guest House, £25-45-67.50 (does'nt take cards) Hotel 65, http://www.hotel65.com , £30-40-69 Prices are for single-, double- and trippelrooms. I have not reserved anything for my self yet, as I hope someone would be willing to share a room with me to cut cost. If this is indeed the cup-final weekend it's probably best to hurry up I guess :-) Best Regards Geir Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25919 Re: Accomodation in London gmroger@p... Mon 2/5/2001 3 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 9:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush Rainer We have booked into the Kensington Hilton. Quite near to the Empire, It is mapped on the back of the ticket. The on-line boking page is: http://www.hilton.com/hotels/LHRHITW/index.html Whilst the standard rate, (listed in Expedia etc..) was rather steep, booking up-front with a credit card made it a more reasonable £70 for a twin room. There are lots of price/room options on the site and they run a shuttle-bus to & from Heathrow. My past experiences with small hotels & B&Bs in London have ranged from bad to utterly bizzarre! Without recent personal reccomendations I would stick to the chains, you generally know what to expect! Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 11:14 am Subject: Re: Encore intro <> From: Chris Richards >I always thought it was 'They are all known as >Tangerine Dream'. Well, I make it 'better known as..' but I'm old and can't afford to buy batteries to my hearing-aid. /Olle From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 2:13 pm Subject: Sony Topping off CD A while back a tree was started to distribute this CD to fans who are not in Europe. I was on the tree, but nobody ever got back to me. I'm looking for somebody in the United States who could help. Please respond offlist if you can help. Thanks. Frank From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 3:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Encore intro On Sun, 4 Feb 2001 03:06:19 -0800 (PST) Chris Richards writes: >>>The announcer on _Encore_ [. . .] >I always thought it was 'They are all known as Tangerine Dream'. I thought it was '. . . otherwise known as Tangerine Dream.' MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films, SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream, MY WEB SITE http://members.spree.com/molasar/ UFO abduction literature, EBAY http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ and transgenderal issues. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 5:03 pm Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] Shepherds Bush you should see if they will reserve a table for you anyway. if you can confirm that many people (paying customers) at one time, they should be happy to set aside a few tables for you! > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Fellows [mailto:pfellows@c...] ... > Already quite a cosmopolitan bunch. Perhaps we should warn > the Moon on the > Green pub in advance to make sure they don't run out of Guinness... > From: horrod6@n... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 5:16 pm Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush --- In tadream@y..., 'David Foster' wrote: > So who is going and who has got their tickets? > Since the concert takes place on Dave's n0th birthday, we'll be there - it's his birthday treat! (Honest - he said it was what he wanted, and I wasn't standing over him with a pointy stick at the time.) I ordered the tickets a couple of days ago, so I don't actually have them yet. See you in the Moon on the Green. LnH Marion From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 11:53 am Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Encore intro Well I'm sorry but I have disagree with you both, despite the guy's strange accent (some American, but mixed with something else, possibly Spanish), it's definitely 'all well-known as Tangerine Dream' Paul ---------- >De : olle.rundgren@s... >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] Re: Encore intro >Date : Lun 5 fév 2001 12:14 > > < Christoph. He sez 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese > and Chris...'Frank', all well-known as > Tangerine Dream.')>> > > From: Chris Richards >>I always thought it was 'They are all known as >>Tangerine Dream'. > > Well, I make it 'better known as..' but I'm old and can't afford to buy > batteries to my hearing-aid. > > /Olle > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25918 Re : [tadream] Re: Encore intro Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB 25921 Re : [tadream] Re: Encore intro goozer@a... Mon 2/5/2001 2 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 6:30 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Encore intro >Well I'm sorry but I have disagree with you both, despite the guy's strange >accent (some American, but mixed with something else, possibly Spanish), >it's definitely 'all well-known as Tangerine Dream' Maybe there's somebody on the list who was at the concert, held the hand of the announcer but didn't have the money to pay him to follow him home, who can tell us what he REALLY said??? ;) Rolf From: Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 7:20 pm Subject: Re: Accomodation in London tadream@yahoogroups.com napisa³ (wrote!): > Subject: Accomodation in London > > Hi Rainer and others, > > I have done some research on the subject and has come up with some options. > There are at least 5 bed and breakfast hotels in a row just a few hundred > meters south of the empire on Sheperds Bush Road: > > Dalmacia Hotel, http://www.cityscan.co.uk/sites/3247 , £39-59-79 > Star Hotel, £35-55-95 > Hotel Orlando, http://www.hotelorlando.co.uk/home.htm , £35-48-66 > Windsor Guest House, £25-45-67.50 (does'nt take cards) > Hotel 65, http://www.hotel65.com , £30-40-69 > > Prices are for single-, double- and trippelrooms. > > I have not reserved anything for my self yet, as I hope someone would be > willing to share a room with me to cut cost. > > If this is indeed the cup-final weekend it's probably best to hurry up I > guess :-) > > Best Regards > > Geir > I plan to stay somewhere around Gatwick Airport as I plan to travel back to Poland the following morning. It might be worth checking when Cup Final day is... Roger Hartopp From: Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 7:24 pm Subject: No panic! The Cup Final is in Cardiff! Bloody Hell! I just remembered! This year's FA Cup Final is taking place in Cardiff, Wales because Wembley Stadium is being rebuilt! No problems with the pub then! See you all down there! Roger Hartopp From: goozer@a... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 7:31 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Encore intro The guy's name is 'Mr. Mota'-he was a dj at the radio station that was simu= lcasting the show. The only thing mixed with his accent was the recreational pharmaceuticals he was on at the time! :) And I concur that th= e quote is '...all well known as Tangerine Dream.' goozer --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > Well I'm sorry but I have disagree with you both, despite the guy's stran= ge > accent (some American, but mixed with something else, possibly Spanish), > it's definitely 'all well-known as Tangerine Dream' > > Paul > > ---------- > >De : olle.rundgren@s... > >À : tadream@y... > >Objet : [tadream] Re: Encore intro > >Date : Lun 5 fév 2001 12:14 > > > > > < > Christoph. He sez 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese > > and Chris...'Frank', all well-known as > > Tangerine Dream.')>> From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Encore intro Actually it's 'otherwise known as tangerine drem', no spelling mistake. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Richards To: Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Encore intro > < Christoph. He sez 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese > and Chris...'Frank', all well-known as > Tangerine Dream.')>> > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25926 Re: Encore intro again James E. Jacoby Tue 2/6/2001 2 KB From: justin.ludford@l... Date: Mon Feb 5, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: Re. Shepherds Bush First time posting on the list... Just to say - Got tickets to the London Show in May, along with two friends we will be making the journey from Norfolk for a day of browsing the shops, high class food (Burger King most likely !) and top live entertainment. Can't wait... It's my fifth TD concert starting from 1990 Hammersmith and am constantly grateful of the recent frequency of TD's visits to the UK. See you all there!! From the Norfolk branch of the TD Fan Club ! From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue Feb 6, 2001 6:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherds Bush Nice to hear from you again Marion. Long time no hear from. Are you still planning on going to the Okefenokee deal? Hope to see you there. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 10:16 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Shepherds Bush > --- In tadream@y..., 'David Foster' wrote: > > So who is going and who has got their tickets? > > > > Since the concert takes place on Dave's n0th birthday, we'll be there > - it's his birthday treat! (Honest - he said it was what he wanted, > and I wasn't standing over him with a pointy stick at the time.) > > I ordered the tickets a couple of days ago, so I don't actually have > them yet. > > See you in the Moon on the Green. > > LnH > > Marion > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'koulos' Date: Tue Feb 6, 2001 11:43 am Subject: some music ok first of all sorry fot this crosspost i have uploaded the music of a band some friends of mine have made in the past year and i think that those of you that like TD music [especially the older styff] will like too since i am not the writter of the music myself i will not describe it's style any feedback can be sent to me and i will make sure it reach the makers of the music the link in witch i uploaded it is the following http://mandrake.aua.gr/~jkr/Music/bands/MIND_ODYSSEY/ they all are in 128 bits rate i would recomend voyage part I and II all the best to you and your beloved kostas from greece [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Tue Feb 6, 2001 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Encore intro again --- Phil Wingfield wrote: > Actually it's 'otherwise known as tangerine drem', no spelling > mistake. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Richards > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 11:06 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Encore intro > > > > < > Christoph. He sez 'Peter Baumann, Edgar Froese > > and Chris...'Frank', all well-known as > > Tangerine Dream.')>> I can't believe how wrong you ALL are. All I did was pop in my digitally remastered TDI release of 'The Dream Intros' and listened to the Encore intro through DTS headphones; and clearly he announces, 'Those zany characters, Tangerine Dreaming!' I'm glad I could finally put this to rest. James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: gmroger@p... Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 7:21 am Subject: Re: [Accommodation in London > Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 21:52:32 +0100 > From: Geir Smedsrud > Subject: Accomodation in London > > Hi Rainer and others, > > I have done some research on the subject and has come up with some options. > There are at least 5 bed and breakfast hotels in a row just a few hundred > meters south of the empire on Sheperds Bush Road: > > Dalmacia Hotel, http://www.cityscan.co.uk/sites/3247 , £39-59-79 > Star Hotel, £35-55-95 > Hotel Orlando, http://www.hotelorlando.co.uk/home.htm , £35-48-66 > Windsor Guest House, £25-45-67.50 (does'nt take cards) > Hotel 65, http://www.hotel65.com , £30-40-69 > > Prices are for single-, double- and trippelrooms. > > I have not reserved anything for my self yet, as I hope someone would be > willing to share a room with me to cut cost. After some thought and a message from Glynn, I've decided it would be more prudent to stay in London, preferably at nearby accomodation listed above. So, would anybody mind sharing? Geir, do you still wish to share? Anybody interested, then do let me know. Roger -- From: Tom Richmond Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 1:45 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales Tree Structures Hello everyone: Following are the tree structures for the 'Dreamwatchers' Tales' 2-CDR compilation. (Details at www.tadream.net) (Please note that both discs require 80-minute blanks.) Branches and leaves are to arrange acceptable trades using the following guidelines: an even trade agreeable to both parties blanks plus return postage any other arrangement agreeable to both parties Note that leaves with a 'B' after their listing had volunteered to be branches, but their services weren't required (yet). If you didn't sign up and would like to get into the tree, please contact the one of these individuals who is nearest you. Or you can contact me and I'll make arrangements to fit you in. That aside, here are the structures: Seed Branch Leaf Europe: Fred Yargui - France - fred.yargui@c... Jorge Figueiredo - Portugal - jorgefig@t... Anotonio Nunes - Portugal - ajogon@n... - B Jerome Salyers - Switzerland - ssaalyersjj@y... Richard Bilek - Czech Republic - rbilek@a... - B Kostas Karlis - Greece - koulos@s... Nicola Cont - Italy - Nicola@C... Jerzy Kapala - Poland - jerzynka@i... Michael Kupczyk - Poland - quichotte@p... Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz - Poland - yavi@t... - B Timo Astala - Finland - timo.astala@n... Ami Hassinen - Finland - ami.hassinen@e... Olle Rundgren - Sweden - Olle.Rundgren@s... Geir Smedsrud - Norway - rsmedsru@o... Mikael Andersson - Sweden - strong@h... Thomas Bertilsson - Sweden - thomasbertilsson@h... Alexander Bjelke - Norway - abjelke@s... Paul Fellows - France - pfellows@c... Rod Jones - U.K. - RJones@c... Ray Hallett - U.K. - con31@t... - B Steve Jenkins - U.K. - steve@l... - B Daniel Fishman - U.K. - dan.cor@v... - B David Foster - U.K. - fozziebear@b... Steven Blakemore - U.K. - SBLAK1SC@s... - B Phil White - U.K. - phil_white@c... P.D. Ridout - U.K. - Thenite0wl@a... Gerry Fox - U.K. - gerryf.home@v... Craig Cordrey - U.K. - craig.cordrey@b... - B Grant Somerville - U.K. - grant.somerville@v... Matthew Stringer - U.K. - qube@f... Richard Ford - U.K. - theroom@b... Alan Stocker - U.K. - sto@i... Steve Yensen - U.K. - Stephen.Yensen@s... North America (and others): Joe Shoults -OH - jshoults@f... Mike Daniels - OH - daniels@l... George Dellutri - IL - dellutri_1@a... Art Walicki - IL - arwjr@m... Craig Chambers - GA - craig.chambers@m... Tom George - TN - eloy-usa@a... James Owens - AL - James.Owens@m... Neal Frost - FL - strat95@e... Dell Outland - FL - AOutland@a... Roger Smith - FL - rogersmith3@h... Vic Rek - GA - tangerinedream@a... Tom Weibrecht - NY - tweibrecht@j... Dan Eberly - NJ - Chemde318@a... Marcelo Gutierrez - NY - tdune@m... - B Greg Waltzer - NJ - gwaltzer@b... Mike Thomas - ME - thomas@c... Oscar Dean - CT - stuntman@m... Steven Feldman - MA - scfeldman@j... Scott Raymond - NY - newage@v... Gabe Yedid - Canada - gabeznooz@M... Kevin Earley - Canada - kevine@c... Eric Rochon - Canada - rochon@i... Frank Stephen - NY - fstephe@a... - B John Gentile - MI - piano_man@m... Dan Garrison - MI - kayleigh@v... - B John McIntyre - MI - mcintyre@p... Jeff O'Brien - MI - krhn1@y... - B Denis Torres - HI - syrinx@m... Tim Lemon - Japan - timl@g... Tom Richmond - WI - trichmond@b... Tim Scallon - WA - Boneheads1@a... Paul Ellis - WA - Synthhtnys@a... Frank Arellano - ID - farellano@s... Bryan Darnell - MT - DarnellBB@m... Thomas Barkhurst - CA - teiwazbarana@h... Patric Donaghy - CA - patricdonaghy@p... Craig Padilla - CA - craigpadilla@u... Alan Benson - CA - albenson@n... Steve Whiteley - CA - steve.whiteley@s... Ken Beal - CA - kwb10@c... Marc Todd - CA - marctodd@h... Roger Jones - CA - rogeraj@e... Dave Brewer - AZ - deibu@i... Chris Monrad - AZ - hpytls@a... Daniel Hobrecht - CO - dhobrecht@h... Bennett Cookson - UT - tadream.bmail@c... Chad Vance - NM - civance@h... Mike Surber - OK - scoobarama@y... Michael Jean - IL - michaeljean@e... Kevin Jowers - LA - kvjowers@i... Jeff Stevenson - MO - greymane@k... Rogelio Cavazos - TX - tranceroy@y... Morgan Marks - TX - feldon23@h... Jon Richards - TX - space_cadet73@h... Carlos Alberto Martinez Salas - Mexico - cmartine@e... John Marchington - New Zealand - johnm@p... John Field - Australia - roganjosho@o... Colin Anderson - Australia - colin_anderson@e... Gustavo Jobim - Brazil - gustavfj@m... If there are any questions, please contact me and I'll get back to you ASAP. Thanks very much to Yannick Edom for all of his hard work assembling this project. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 7:41 am Subject: The gig Hey folks, I am looking for a volunteer to write a review of the Shepherds Bush gig for my EM website at www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows It should be a balanced review, highlighting both the pros and cons of the concert, and it should be at least 2 screens full in Word (or thereabouts). Any takers? Pics would be nice too of course. From: Tom Richmond Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 1:44 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree structures (again, sorry) Hey folks, If everyone's email program did what mine did to the tree structure posting, chances are you couldn't tell anything except that your name's in there somewhere. If anyone would like a copy of the structures in MSWord format, please email me and I'll send it off. Sorry for any inconveneience. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25931 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree structures (again, Joe Shoults Thu 2/8/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 2:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales tree structures (again, sorry) the tree structure is posted on http://tadream.net european tree coming soon. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Richmond [mailto:trichmond@b...] > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:45 AM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'; 'tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com'; > 'electronicmusic@yahoogroups.com'; 'beyond_em@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales tree structures (again, sorry) > > > Hey folks, > > If everyone's email program did what mine did to the tree > structure posting, > chances are you couldn't tell anything except that your > name's in there > somewhere. If anyone would like a copy of the structures in > MSWord format, > please email me and I'll send it off. > > Sorry for any inconveneience. > > Cheers! > > Tom > > ___________________________ > IMPORTANT NOTICE: > This message is intended only for the addressee. If you > receive this message in error, please delete the material > from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you > are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, > or distribute this message or its contents to any other > person and any such actions may be unlawful > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various > Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 7:55 pm Subject: New member Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25941 Re: New member Gary Jenkins Thu 2/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:10 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] New member Welcome to the world of dreamers. Have fun :o) Poul > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > Paul From: 'Steve' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:45 pm Subject: mysterious... I just downloaded a file titled Phaedream - Mysterious Semblance etc and I'm puzzled. Some of the music sounds like it could be Tangerine Dream to my ears but Nico (or a sound-alike) drifts in and out of it reciting a poem. Did Nico and TD ever collaborate? If it isn't TD, anyone know who it is? And while on the subject of erm... unofficial recordings... can anyone point me in the direction of an online discography? Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25936 Re: mysterious... Frank Arellano Thu 2/8/2001 3 KB 25942 Re: mysterious... Nick Adams Thu 2/8/2001 2 KB 25943 mysterious... Steve Thu 2/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New member Paul, you can get in on the Dreamwatcher's Tales thing if you act quickly. It's a 2 CDR set of music by members of this list. It's anywhere from remakes of Tangerine Dream music, to music inspired by them, to simply electronic music they've whipped up. Should be very exciting! And it's free. Just have to send 4 blank CDs (CDRs) in exchange. You just need to join the 'Tree' which is a way of propogating it. Instead of 1 or 2 people burning all the copies (time consuming) accepting cash and mailing (even more time consuming), everyone gets a chance to get it through the formation of a CDR Tree. Each person on the tree who is a 'branch' makes copies for 3-4 people below him who are 'leaves', in exchange for them sending him/her blank discs. -Morgan >From: 'lawlermusic' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] New member >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:55:36 -0000 > >Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . >Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > >Paul > > > >http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler >http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] mysterious... Here you go http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdblist1.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Steve' To: 'Tadream@E... Com' Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: [tadream] mysterious... > I just downloaded a file titled Phaedream - Mysterious Semblance etc and I'm > puzzled. Some of the music sounds like it could be Tangerine Dream to my > ears but Nico (or a sound-alike) drifts in and out of it reciting a poem. > Did Nico and TD ever collaborate? If it isn't TD, anyone know who it is? > > And while on the subject of erm... unofficial recordings... can anyone point > me in the direction of an online discography? > > Steve > > http://www.craftman.co.uk > http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Tom Richmond Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 9:05 pm Subject: Need to get in touch with Jeff Bergman and Brian Frick Hello: Sorry to bother the list, but I'm not getting responses from either of these 'Dreamwatchers' participants: Jeff Bergman - jeffrey@i... Brian Frick - bfrick@t... If you're out here guys, please get in touch. Thanks! Tom Richmond trichmond@b... ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 9:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New member ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] New member > Paul, you can get in on the Dreamwatcher's Tales thing if you act quickly. > > It's a 2 CDR set of music by members of this list. It's anywhere from > remakes of Tangerine Dream music, to music inspired by them, to simply > electronic music they've whipped up. Should be very exciting! > > And it's free. Just have to send 4 blank CDs (CDRs) in exchange. You just > need to join the 'Tree' which is a way of propogating it. > > Instead of 1 or 2 people burning all the copies (time consuming) accepting > cash and mailing (even more time consuming), everyone gets a chance to get > it through the formation of a CDR Tree. > > Each person on the tree who is a 'branch' makes copies for 3-4 people below > him who are 'leaves', in exchange for them sending him/her blank discs. > > -Morgan > Hi , I wish I`d known about this sooner . I`m swamped with work (not complaining) so the leaves will have fallen and died by the time I could get anything to them . Thanks for the offer . Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25944 Re: New member / Dreamwatcher'sTale j.gordon Fri 2/9/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 9:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New member Dude, the list of leaves was literally announced yesterday. You've got time :) -Morgan >From: 'lawlermusic' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] New member >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:14:14 -0000 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Feldon Feldon >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:43 PM >Subject: Re: [tadream] New member > > > > Paul, you can get in on the Dreamwatcher's Tales thing if you act >quickly. > > > > It's a 2 CDR set of music by members of this list. It's anywhere from > > remakes of Tangerine Dream music, to music inspired by them, to simply > > electronic music they've whipped up. Should be very exciting! > > > > And it's free. Just have to send 4 blank CDs (CDRs) in exchange. You >just > > need to join the 'Tree' which is a way of propogating it. > > > > Instead of 1 or 2 people burning all the copies (time consuming) >accepting > > cash and mailing (even more time consuming), everyone gets a chance to >get > > it through the formation of a CDR Tree. > > > > Each person on the tree who is a 'branch' makes copies for 3-4 people >below > > him who are 'leaves', in exchange for them sending him/her blank discs. > > > > -Morgan > > >Hi , > >I wish I`d known about this sooner . I`m swamped with work (not >complaining) >so the leaves will have fallen and died by the time I could get anything to >them . >Thanks for the offer . > >Paul > > > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 10:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New member Paul Welcome, and congratulations! I got my copy yesterday, it is just great. Best wishes Brian From: 'lawlermusic' Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 10:27 pm Subject: Re: New member --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > Welcome Paul just got my copy of Alterstill superb matching up to your other two releases ,cannot wait for your next release which according to smd you are working on at the moment. >Cheers Gary > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 10:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] mysterious... Steve said... > I just downloaded a file titled Phaedream - Mysterious Semblance etc and I'm > puzzled. Some of the music sounds like it could be Tangerine Dream to my > ears but Nico (or a sound-alike) drifts in and out of it reciting a poem. > Did Nico and TD ever collaborate? If it isn't TD, anyone know who it is? > The piece you are talking about is actually Neuronium *not* TD. It is originally from Neuronium's album ''Vuelo Quimico'', I'm not quite sure of the story as to how this piece by Neuronium made it onto a TD Boot, Probably by a bootlegger who didn't know (or didn't care) the difference ! Nick Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... ICQ 44174543 From: 'Steve' Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 11:19 pm Subject: mysterious... Nick said: > The piece you are talking about is actually Neuronium *not* TD. It is > originally from Neuronium's album ''Vuelo Quimico'', I'm not quite sure of > the story as to how this piece by Neuronium made it onto a TD > Boot, Probably > by a bootlegger who didn't know (or didn't care) the difference ! Now vague bells start ringing in the distance :) I'm not surprised that it isn't TD, and listening to it with this new knowledge I can still say that it sounds similar to TD, but wrong for the date the filename implied. But, as a long term fan of Our Lady of the Harmonium, I'm delighted to have found it! Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 6:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New member / Dreamwatcher'sTale > I wish I`d known about this sooner . I`m swamped with work (not complaining) > so the leaves will have fallen and died by the time I could get anything to > them . > Thanks for the offer . > > Paul paul, morgen is right, the tree has just been planted... if you want to participate, just send an email to trichmond@b... and let him know... he will hook you up with the right branch and get you going... (i'm a branch and i haven't received my copy yet, so there is still time...) but i did want to point out that i did receive my copy of the Pre-release yesterday and popped that sucker in... i don't mind saying, after one listen through (77 mins) it is FABULOUS... great music... the quailty of music on this CD is really quite high... Dweller in the Mist and Free System Project stand out with two great tracks... if you haven't signed up for the tree, IMH&HO you are sorely missing out... and for all you who are griping about the recent quality of TD releases, there won't be thing one to complain about with Dreamwatcher's Tale, if the pre-release is any gauge... once again (it cannot be said enough), thanks to yannick, tom, joel and the others who put so much time and effort into making this compilation and most esp. all the contributors... it is great... i don't mind saying, i'm proud to have my music side by side with these other artists... really great stuff... if you listen to emusic (meaning besides TD) this 2CDR set will not only compliment your collection, but give it an anchor... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'koulos' Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 9:19 am Subject: DT cd-r project hiz from greece since i am not familiar with this tree format of distubuting music i would like to ask the person beibg the branch in witch i am a leaf to pls send me an e-mail telling me what to do [i know i will have to send him 4 cdr right ??] anyway pls mr branch do send me a notification that i am under you and wait to hear from me after a week or so cause i am leaving on a short trip thats all from me sorry for taking your times those of you that are not my branch kostas from athens [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 10:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member - ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Jenkins To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 10:27 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: New member > --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > > > Welcome Paul just got my copy of Alterstill superb matching up to > your other two releases ,cannot wait for your next release which > according to smd you are working on at the moment. > >Cheers Gary Thanks Gary (and Brian), glad you liked it . I`m not sure why smd are saying that I`m working on another , I have a mountain of other stuff to do first . I did however think of bringing Max Richter (the Arcane member who burnt to death) back to life , as a kind of extention to the Arcane CDs . I can honestly say that the track I wrote as Max , blows the arcane stuff out of the window !! Its geared more toward the 70s TD sound but with Force majeur/ green desert drums etc very powerful . I`ll keep you posted as to when I put the tracks on the arcane page . Paul > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25948 Welcome Paul! gmroger@p... Fri 2/9/2001 2 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member From: 'lawlermusic' Paul Sounds wonderful. Bring it on! Best Brian > --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > > > Welcome Paul just got my copy of Alterstill superb matching up to > your other two releases ,cannot wait for your next release which > according to smd you are working on at the moment. > >Cheers Gary Thanks Gary (and Brian), glad you liked it . I`m not sure why smd are saying that I`m working on another , I have a mountain of other stuff to do first . I did however think of bringing Max Richter (the Arcane member who burnt to death) back to life , as a kind of extention to the Arcane CDs . I can honestly say that the track I wrote as Max , blows the arcane stuff out of the window !! Its geared more toward the 70s TD sound but with Force majeur/ green desert drums etc very powerful . I`ll keep you posted as to when I put the tracks on the arcane page . Paul > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: gmroger@p... Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 9:27 pm Subject: Welcome Paul! ~Here's another letter of welcome, Paul, from someone who's played your 'Year Zero' album on Polish radio, and enjoyed it very much. On those only odd occasions I look at the TD guestbook, I recall you asking about tickets for the Shepherd's Bush gig. Have you got yours yet? If so, I hope we can all look forward to meeting you at the... oh, dang, what's the name of the pub near the place... I'm sure someone will remind us. P.s. Message to my Norwegian friend - I still haven't heard any more news on accommodation in London on the night. I don't want to stay at the Kensington Hilton - it's bloody expensive! The Orlando is full, and Hotel65 won't write back. Still trying, though... Roger Hartopp From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 10:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member Um, Guys, I am very sorry if it seems I have been living under a rock for a while. I am going to ask questions that are probably going to embarrass me, but here goes.... Who is Paul, as a musician I mean? You guys talk as if we should know him. (I guess maybe I should) Who is Arcane? Who is Max Richter? If these are really stupid questions, I am very sorry. But with the talk of the Dreamwatcher's Tales CD coming around, it seems that I should know them. Neal > [Original Message] > From: Brian Stewart > To: > Date: 2/9/01 7:07:21 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member > > > > > From: 'lawlermusic' > Paul > > Sounds wonderful. Bring it on! > > Best > > Brian > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > > > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > > > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > > > > > Welcome Paul just got my copy of Alterstill superb matching up to > > your other two releases ,cannot wait for your next release which > > according to smd you are working on at the moment. > > >Cheers Gary > > Thanks Gary (and Brian), glad you liked it . I`m not sure why smd are saying > that I`m > working on another , I have a mountain of other stuff to do first . > I did however think of bringing Max Richter (the Arcane member who burnt to > death) back to life , as a kind of extention to the Arcane CDs . I can > honestly say that the track I wrote as Max , blows the arcane stuff out of > the window !! Its geared more toward the 70s TD sound but with Force > majeur/ green desert drums etc very powerful . > I`ll keep you posted as to when I put the tracks on the arcane page . > > Paul > > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > > > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > 'Ihave gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, Please keep me here.' --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 12:54 am Subject: DM3 Perhaps Jerome's solo work and DM 3 's will help gain a new audience. My wife, who did her best to tolerate any TD, was stunned to hear the music from the new 12' singles, and actually started dancing around the apartment! She said it was the best thing they had ever done... Hmmmmmm She really got into Spirit of the Czar. Anyway, does anyone think there is a chance for a cd release by DJ Rome when DM3 is comes out? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26812 DM3 justin.ludford@l... Thu 4/26/2001 1 KB 26813 Re: DM3 Gary Jenkins Thu 4/26/2001 2 KB 26818 Re: DM3 TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Fri 4/27/2001 2 KB 26814 Re: DM3 Feldon Feldon Thu 4/26/2001 2 KB 26822 Re: DM3 Heiko Heerssen Fri 4/27/2001 2 KB 26940 DM3 Lawry Simm Sun 5/13/2001 2 KB 27337 DM3 David Foster Tue 6/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 12:57 am Subject: McCartney Connection again Last month's ICE magazine had a blurb about the original concept of McCartney 2. Apparently there was a second LPs worth of material (that apparently circulatng as a boot) that was compared to TD and Kraftwerk in style. Has anyone heard this material? If so, would you agree with that assessment. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25953 Re: McCartney Connection again Phil White Sat 2/10/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 1:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member Neal, since you obviously have been living underneath a rock too long and haven't heard Paul's music yet, you're going to have to add on atleast a couple more CD's to your growing must hear list. Paul has produced a number of CD's under the name of Arcane and Paul Lawler , my favorite being 'Gather Darkness'. Arcane is one of a number groups / individuals who I consider a TD descendants, producing music in the vein of late seventies to early 80's TD. Paul has just released a CDR called 'Afterstill', which not surprisingly has received glowing reviews, one in which I too will soon be adding to my collection. Max Richter is a fictitious creation of Paul's active imagination. A number of us on this list are already familiar with Paul's work. For those of you who are new or unfamiliar with him and like retro TD, I highly advise you to give his music a try. IMO, Paul is a young and talented musician with a bright future. He probably started making music at a very tender age with a rattle across his bars. How's that Paul, did I do good ? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Neal Frost' To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member > Um, Guys, > > I am very sorry if it seems I have been living under a rock for a while. I > am going to ask questions that are probably going to embarrass me, but here > goes.... > > Who is Paul, as a musician I mean? You guys talk as if we should know him. > (I guess maybe I should) > Who is Arcane? > Who is Max Richter? > > If these are really stupid questions, I am very sorry. But with the talk of > the Dreamwatcher's Tales CD coming around, it seems that I should know them. > > Neal > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Brian Stewart > > To: > > Date: 2/9/01 7:07:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member > > > > > > > > > > From: 'lawlermusic' > > Paul > > > > Sounds wonderful. Bring it on! > > > > Best > > > > Brian > > > > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > > > > Just joined .I only found out this list existed today . > > > > Dont know what the thread is yet , so I`ll sit back and wait . > > > > > > > > Welcome Paul just got my copy of Alterstill superb matching up to > > > your other two releases ,cannot wait for your next release which > > > according to smd you are working on at the moment. > > > >Cheers Gary > > > > Thanks Gary (and Brian), glad you liked it . I`m not sure why smd are > saying > > that I`m > > working on another , I have a mountain of other stuff to do first . > > I did however think of bringing Max Richter (the Arcane member who burnt > to > > death) back to life , as a kind of extention to the Arcane CDs . I can > > honestly say that the track I wrote as Max , blows the arcane stuff out of > > the window !! Its geared more toward the 70s TD sound but with Force > > majeur/ green desert drums etc very powerful . > > I`ll keep you posted as to when I put the tracks on the arcane page . > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > > > > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > > included in the distribution tree: > > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > 'Ihave gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, > Please keep me here.' > > --- Neal Frost > --- strat95@e... > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Phil White' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 10:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] McCartney Connection again Can't help with this question but I look forward to more informed thread lines on this as it sounds highly implausible (?) However check out the The Fireman release called 'Rushes' which is indeed Mr McCartney and totally chilled ambient effort and rather good (IMO)..... but lightmonths away from TD and Kraftwerk. Discuss ? Phil ( peeping from behind the safety of the lurkers wall ) Michael A Jean wrote..... > Last month's ICE magazine had a blurb about the original concept of > McCartney 2. Apparently there was a second LPs worth of material (that > apparently circulatng as a boot) that was compared to TD and Kraftwerk in > style. Has anyone heard this material? If so, would you agree with that > assessment. From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 12:41 pm Subject: A new audience for TD? Hello folks, I think I might have inadvertently sent this before I finished it. If so, ignore the incomplete version. >Perhaps Jerome's solo work and DM 3 's will help gain a new audience. My >wife, who did her best to tolerate any TD, was stunned to hear the music >from the new 12' singles, and actually started dancing around the apartment! >She said it was the best thing they had ever done... Hmmmmmm She really got >into Spirit of the Czar. > >Anyway, does anyone think there is a chance for a cd release by DJ Rome when >DM3 is comes out? > >MJ Hmm..I've often wondered how TD could acquire a DM-style audience, assuming that that's what they're trying to do. Let's face it - the average TD fan is a pasty-faced, usually overweight, complacent, dull, early-middle-aged-at-youngest white male - the guy who stood awkwardly on the fringes of the school disco while the confident and good-looking guys were snogging the good-looking girls; the guy who thought that his po-faced talk about his Pink Floyd records would make him seem attractively deep, when in fact it made him seem like an inadequate and pretentious arsehole. (Glynn shudders at memories of himself at 15 - ugh!) The audience for DM-style music, on the other hand, is the young, energetic, attractive and effortlessly trendy crowd that TD-Man has never and can never be a part of. TD might be trying to appeal to a fan base that is about as far removed from its current fan base as it's possible to get - and the poor attendance for the 'Ground Liftaz' launch party would seem to suggest that they're wasting their time. That crowd is never going to care about TD or 'TDJ Rome', and there's something deeply incongruous and a bit sad, really, about overweight thirty- and forty-something blokes listening to techno and breakbeats. Having said that, I'm quite looking forwards to _DM3_... ;-) Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25955 Re: A new audience for TD? Greg Sat 2/10/2001 5 KB 25959 Re: A new audience for TD? Sean Montgomery Sat 2/10/2001 5 KB 25962 Re: A new audience for TD? Jared White Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 1:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A new audience for TD? Too bad Glynn, I thought years ago, TD could have spun the current rave scene. As it is now, Paul Oakenfold and Paul Van Dyk among others are getting credit for their 'thumpified' ambient rave music. Mind you I'm a 22 year old who enjoys the dance scene - even if my choices are reduced to a couple top 40 dance clubs in the town I'm in. TD has given me an edge though, as having understanding of the idea of electronic sounds void of 'narrative content' vocals in an expressive form has allowed me to appreciate the very minimalist forms of dance music. I find it humerous though, to imagine numerous clubbers spacing and drug induced to basically the same sounds and structures of what TD had used in thier early Virgin years period. I think it's a difference in times - the 1970's to the Millenium and mass culture electronic music has different specific roles. The DM is an interesting idea, but I never thought the idea was experimental enough, or fresh sounding enough for me. Even in the day I had never even thought of stepping into a club, the drum and bass breakbeat material seemed 'done before'. Now TD wants to build prominence in the IDM (intelligent dance music) scene with TDJ Rome. Having [keyword] tried to dance to DM 1 and 2 material on my own time, I find it void of what TD had in the Virgin years, thus what dance music has now - a real cohearant simplicity and the use of electronic sounds as texture and rhythm (but often in a acid harshness sort of way). But this isn't to say TD and DM isn't influential - in my attempts to develop a couple dance tracks for a DJ, my work decidedly was structurely similar to some DM material. It didn't have the breakbeat aspect, but it did have aspects of layers of sound and the timing of transitions into new ideas was annoyingly short (argh!). Greg H. > Hmm..I've often wondered how TD could acquire a DM-style audience, > assuming that that's what they're trying to do. Let's face it - the > average TD fan is a pasty-faced, usually overweight, complacent, > dull, early-middle-aged-at-youngest white male - the guy who stood > awkwardly on the fringes of the school disco while the confident and > good-looking guys were snogging the good-looking girls; the guy who > thought that his po-faced talk about his Pink Floyd records would > make him seem attractively deep, when in fact it made him seem like > an inadequate and pretentious arsehole. (Glynn shudders at memories > of himself at 15 - ugh!) > > The audience for DM-style music, on the other hand, is the young, > energetic, attractive and effortlessly trendy crowd that TD-Man has > never and can never be a part of. TD might be trying to appeal to a > fan base that is about as far removed from its current fan base as > it's possible to get - and the poor attendance for the 'Ground > Liftaz' launch party would seem to suggest that they're wasting their > time. That crowd is never going to care about TD or 'TDJ Rome', and > there's something deeply incongruous and a bit sad, really, about > overweight thirty- and forty-something blokes listening to techno and > breakbeats. > > Having said that, I'm quite looking forwards to _DM3_... ;-) > > Glynn From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 1:58 pm Subject: homepage update, new auction Hi all, I have completed the update of my homepage, please visit at http://www.caby.de/Music A new auction has started on the Rarity page ! cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26053 Klaus Schulze Wanted Robert Grabowsky Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB 26054 Re: Klaus Schulze Wanted Kees Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB 26055 Re: Klaus Schulze Wanted Robert Grabowsky Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 5:20 pm Subject: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Anyone know what this is? It appears in CD Services lists for TD. Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25958 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Richard Sat 2/10/2001 2 KB 25966 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST gnmorgan@b... Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB 25967 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Kees Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB From: Richard Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 5:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In message <963t81+8hha@e...>, gnmorgan@b... writes >Anyone know what this is? It appears in CD Services lists for TD. Be afraid... Be very afraid. This is only to be purchased by those who must have everything done under the Tangerine Dream name. It is a story, in German, with TD background music. I bought before I was warned. You've been warned! - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOoV/ETBWmWbUzpzAEQLzpACgpuP4E/vgLFwBZydLZm1RMMPyWMoAoOeY U8a90ZGOetx8asGGYwDwoHo7 =40Sn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25966 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST gnmorgan@b... Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB 25967 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Kees Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 9:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A new audience for TD? glynn_naughton@h... wrote: > Let's face it - the average TD fan is a pasty-faced, usually overweight, complacent, > dull, early-middle-aged-at-youngest white male Ha ha! Speak for yourself, Glynn! While that may represent *one* segment of TD fandom, I think they draw from a slightly wider base than that. I, for instance, was but a wee bairn in the 70s, and didn't even become aware of the band until hearing some of their 80s soundtrack work (although I was predisposed to liking them, I suppose...having been exposed to Pink Floyd, Alan Parsons Project and Vangelis from an early age). At their 88 and 92 North American shows, I saw young tech nerds, old stoners, new agers, and other people who didn't fit into any particular demographic. I specifically remember one woman whose young daughter seemed to have a crush on Paul Haslinger. The girlfriend I took to the show back in 92 had picked up a copy of Optical Race before I met her, because she liked the cover! But your points about the DM style are well taken. I appreciate what Jerome is trying to do, and I even like a lot of it. But all the same, much of what TD does today tends to come across as the attempts of a loser to tell jokes at a party, oblivious to the fact that he's not really very funny. Jerome's techno/drum and bass stylings are far too tame for the dance floor. He's going to have to get a lot more aggressive with his beats and sound design if he really wants to win over the techno community. He'd also be wise to start doing remix work, or something to develop a public profile, and display a real committment to being a DJ. He's also going to have to lose the hair cut. Jesus, let go of the Robert Smith thing. The first DM album succeeded for me by virtue of being a startling (and mostly successful) departure from the increasingly tedious New Age stylings of the Miramar years. It merely injected some of the vigour that had been largely missing from their work since Franke's departure. The beats were less cheesy, the cut-and-paste composing style seemed less jarring. But the band failed to build or capitalize on it. Nothing they've done since has been as exciting. I suspect that this is because once Jerome got the first album out of his system, he had to find common ground with Dad for subsequent music. Mars Polaris is the best attempt at a compromise this that they've found yet...but it's still not trancy enough for the ravers, not upbeat enough for dancing, and not innovative enough for the electronic music community. It's an okay album, but it's not great. I'd rather hear Jerome just go all out with something. Go for the throat. Kick our asses. Maybe DM3 will provide that, but I'm keeping my expectations low. The pieces I liked best on the first two DMs were actually the 'new' ones, not the remixes. So I hope we get less mix and more dream. > There's something deeply incongruous and a bit sad, really, about overweight thirty- and forty-something blokes listening to techno and breakbeats. And something even sadder about those same folks up on the stage making the music (unless they can really deliver the goods, anyway). Edgar's musical interests obviously lie primarily in the neo-classical realm now. Seeing him drag himself on stage, pretending to make hip dance music, isn't fooling anybody. Neither are his comments about TD continuing to occupy the avant garde of electronic music. But I don't care if the music's 'innovative', as long as it's good, and since TD still manages to put out a couple of decent songs per album (well, with the exception of Great Wall of China and 7 Letters from Tibet, which were pretty much uniformly lame), I continue to hang around, hoping for the next Tangram. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25962 Re: A new audience for TD? Jared White Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 9:07 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again Phil White > Can't help with this question but I look forward to more informed > thread lines on this as it sounds highly implausible (?) > However check out the The Fireman release called 'Rushes' > which is indeed Mr McCartney and totally chilled ambient > effort and rather good (IMO)..... but lightmonths away from TD and > Kraftwerk. Isnt there a second Fireman release as well? Maybe that sounds more like TD or KW? Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25961 Re: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again Sean Montgomery Sat 2/10/2001 2 KB 26058 Re: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again tom george Thu 2/15/2001 3 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 9:46 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' wrote: > > However check out the The Fireman release called 'Rushes' > > which is indeed Mr McCartney and totally chilled ambient > > effort and rather good (IMO)..... but lightmonths away from TD and > > Kraftwerk. > > Isnt there a second Fireman release as well? Maybe that sounds more like TD > or KW? Actually, Rushes *is* the second Fireman release. I can't remember the exact name of the first album, but it had the word 'Strawberry' in it, if I'm not mistaken. Rushes is pretty cool. A bit like Eno's 'Apollo', with its addition of acoustic guitar. Very laid-back. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Jared White' Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 7:19 am Subject: RE: [tadream] A new audience for TD? > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@t...] > I'd rather hear Jerome > just go all out with something. Go for the throat. Kick our > asses. Gawd, I hope not. Most modern 'dance' 'music' is utter shite, and this whole 'TDJ Rome' thing is starting to scare the bejeezus out of me. Oops, there I've said it. Oh well, so be it. I guess I'm just one of those old farts (at 18?) who actually likes 7 Letters from Tibet. Jared http://www.mp3.com/distantoaks P. S. BTW, listened to any Clementi sonatas for fortepiano lately? I recommend either the Sonata in F-sharp Minor, Op. 25, No. 5 or the Sonata in B-flat Major, Op. 12, No. 1. Great stuff, if you can stomach it. Whoops, my snobbery is showing again.... From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Feb 10, 2001 6:32 pm Subject: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush Hi all, The number of messages from people who say they are going to Shepherd's Bush on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if you're going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! Just to reassure everybody in case you didn't see Roger's message: > Bloody Hell! I just remembered! This year's FA Cup Final is taking place in > Cardiff, Wales because Wembley Stadium is being rebuilt! > No problems with the pub then! See you all down there! (The Moon on the Green Pub) Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) David Foster (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Glynn Naughton (France) Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) Marion (UK) Matthew Stringer (UK) Michael Jean (USA, not sure) Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Ray (UK) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25964 People going to Shepherd's Bush Richard Sun 2/11/2001 4 KB 25968 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Phil Wingfield Sun 2/11/2001 4 KB 25977 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush lawlermusic Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 25978 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Armin Theissen Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB 26067 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Craig Cordrey Sat 2/17/2001 2 KB 26071 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Michael A Jean Sun 2/18/2001 2 KB 26068 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush James Williams Sun 2/18/2001 3 KB 26117 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Patrik . Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 26122 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Geir Smedsrud Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB From: Richard Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 11:18 am Subject: People going to Shepherd's Bush -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've just had a word with the wife. She is willing to go!! (major miracle) Could someone post the web address so I can book some tickets. Thanks > >The number of messages from people who say they are going to Shepherd's Bush >on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if you're >going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > >Just to reassure everybody in case you didn't see Roger's message: > >> Bloody Hell! I just remembered! This year's FA Cup Final is taking place in >> Cardiff, Wales because Wembley Stadium is being rebuilt! > >> No problems with the pub then! See you all down there! > >(The Moon on the Green Pub) > >Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: > >Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) >David Foster (UK) >Duncan McKee (UK) >Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) >Geir Smedsrud (Norway) >Glynn Naughton (France) >Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) >Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) >Marion (UK) >Matthew Stringer (UK) >Michael Jean (USA, not sure) >Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) >Paul Fellows (France) >Rainer Rutka (Germany) >Ray (UK) >Roger Hartopp (Poland) > >Paul > > > > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, >is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the >distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=pl >ease include me as BRANCH my address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=p >lease include me as LEAF my address is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOoZ1CzBWmWbUzpzAEQLSIQCffHtMu/L/aldMmHEGADHajsRDe4AAoP0o qDzdhWUxKxtglMikpMD7xXT4 =NS8v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: 'John Johnson' Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 2:41 pm Subject: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 For me 7 Letters From Tibet is probably the best album of 2000 both from TD and any other artist. Now wait for me to open my umbrella before you start firing.... Visit the Jon Johnson Homepages at http://jonjohnson.iuma.com and http://www.mindspring.com/~mrj12/index.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25976 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number lawlermusic Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB 25989 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number Jared White Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 25995 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number lawlermusic Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB 25997 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number Feldon Feldon Mon 2/12/2001 3 KB 26003 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number Synthhtnys@a... Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Yikes! Another 'Rumplestiltskin'. Gary. --- In tadream@y..., Richard wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > In message <963t81+8hha@e...>, gnmorgan@b... writes > >Anyone know what this is? It appears in CD Services lists for TD. > > Be afraid... Be very afraid. This is only to be purchased by those who > must have everything done under the Tangerine Dream name. > > It is a story, in German, with TD background music. I bought before I > was warned. > > You've been warned! > - -- > Richard > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 > > iQA/AwUBOoV/ETBWmWbUzpzAEQLzpACgpuP4E/vgLFwBZydLZ m1RMMPyWMoAoOeY > U8a90ZGOetx8asGGYwDwoHo7 > =40Sn > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25967 Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST Kees Sun 2/11/2001 2 KB From: Kees Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 9:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor OST At 18:46 11/02/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Yikes! Another 'Rumplestiltskin'. Noooh. Rupelstiltskin is an excellent CD. First the story with the music and then the normal music. Excellent idea and excellent music. Jim & Pablo contains hardly any TD music. And is only suited for collectors. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 2:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush I'm going and so are two freinds not on this list, Phil the lurker. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Fellows To: Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 6:32 PM Subject: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush > Hi all, > > The number of messages from people who say they are going to Shepherd's Bush > on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if you're > going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > > Just to reassure everybody in case you didn't see Roger's message: > > > Bloody Hell! I just remembered! This year's FA Cup Final is taking place in > > Cardiff, Wales because Wembley Stadium is being rebuilt! > > > No problems with the pub then! See you all down there! > > (The Moon on the Green Pub) > > Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > David Foster (UK) > Duncan McKee (UK) > Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > Glynn Naughton (France) > Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > Marion (UK) > Matthew Stringer (UK) > Michael Jean (USA, not sure) > Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > Paul Fellows (France) > Rainer Rutka (Germany) > Ray (UK) > Roger Hartopp (Poland) > > Paul > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 10:32 pm Subject: Return of Lawry Simm, his head's not dim... Hi gang, After a 1 month enforced absence due to a broken ISP, then a month off to catch up with the rest of my life, I'm back to find the marvellous news that TD are playing Shepherds Bush Empire... On top of this, the line up for this years SMD concerts at Jodrell Bank looks rather smart..... Rainbow Serpent Keller & Schonwalder Syndromeda & Stephan Whitlan Ramp & Cosmic Hoffman So, who's going to these concerts? The usual crew no doubt, but any new listmembers? [TD List]Also, I note Gary Morgan says he's 7 miles from Liverpool... Hi Gary.. I'm in Litherland... Finally, please update your address books as my new email address (permanent) is lawrysimm@s... so please don't use the fdn.co.uk one any more as the ISP has died a death. I also lost my address book due to a hard disk reformat (it was the only thing I didn't have the forethought to secure!) so I can't mail my chums with the updated email address.... in fact, it would be handy if my chums mailed me so I can just click on the reply button to rebuild my address book. Thanks! I'm just catching up on the digests and only up to 21/01/01.... should be up to date by the end of the week... any new developments (apart from the TD concert?). Regards, Lawry PS - My AIM account noted below is also goosed as I don't have my password, and they can only send my password reminder to my old email address which no longer works! Nice. What a load of bollocks... ------------------------- lawrysimm@s... ICQ 23267226 AIM - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25970 Re: Return of Lawry Simm, his head's not dim... Frank Arellano Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Return of Lawry Simm, his head's not dim... Welcome back Lawry. *You know* if I was on your guys' side of the pond, I'd be going! Those are some good prospects to see at Jodrell too. You know I'd be there too, drinking some suds with some of my own kind too before the gigs :-) To me, Ramp [ Frank Makowski ] would be the headliner to see, but you never know who will surprise you. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Lawry Simm' To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 3:32 PM Subject: [tadream] Return of Lawry Simm, his head's not dim... > Hi gang, > > After a 1 month enforced absence due to a broken ISP, then a month off to > catch up with the rest of my life, I'm back to find the marvellous news that > TD are playing Shepherds Bush Empire... > > On top of this, the line up for this years SMD concerts at Jodrell Bank > looks rather smart..... > > Rainbow Serpent > Keller & Schonwalder > Syndromeda & Stephan Whitlan > Ramp & Cosmic Hoffman > > So, who's going to these concerts? The usual crew no doubt, but any new > listmembers? > > [TD List]Also, I note Gary Morgan says he's 7 miles from Liverpool... Hi > Gary.. I'm > in Litherland... > > Finally, please update your address books as my new email address > (permanent) is lawrysimm@s... so please don't use the fdn.co.uk one > any more as the ISP has died a death. > I also lost my address book due to a hard disk reformat (it was the only > thing I didn't have the forethought to secure!) so I can't mail my chums > with the updated email address.... in fact, it would be handy if my chums > mailed me so I can just click on the reply button to rebuild my address > book. Thanks! > > I'm just catching up on the digests and only up to 21/01/01.... should be up > to date by the end of the week... any new developments (apart from the TD > concert?). > > Regards, > Lawry > > PS - My AIM account noted below is also goosed as I don't have my password, > and they can only send my password reminder to my old email address which no > longer works! Nice. What a load of bollocks... > > ------------------------- > lawrysimm@s... > ICQ 23267226 > AIM - lawrysimm > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 5:40 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush http://www.ticketweb.co.uk ---------- >De : Richard >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush >Date : Dim 11 fév 2001 12:18 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I've just had a word with the wife. She is willing to go!! (major > miracle) > > Could someone post the web address so I can book some tickets. > > Thanks From: Steve Jenkins Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 11:41 am Subject: Shepherd's Bush/Jodrell Bank I'll be there too, assuming Liverpool's season doesn't come to a shuddering end in the next two weeks - and before anyone asks, given the choice I would go the the FA Cup final if Liverpool get there... I would encourage any Tadream list member who is able to get to Jodrell Bank to attend one, if not all of the concerts set up there for this spring/summer. Some cracking outfits will play - the highlight has to be Ramp though (Jun 23 if I remember correctly) - be there or miss out on what should be a first class gig. Back to Steve Steve Jenkins Director PCI - Xylenes & Polyesters Ltd Tel: (44) 1483 302267 Fax: (44) 1483 306793 e-mail: sjenkins@t... From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 2:46 pm Subject: Homepage update - opticaldream.de Hi all TD Fan`s, my Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage was updated at 11.02.01 - more new entry`s in my collection - more trade item`s - more Concert Recording`s - and ... Please jump to: www.opticaldream.de/dream Regards Heiko Neumann Burg Germany See you London in May !!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member From: Frank Arellano To: Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New member > > Neal, since you obviously have been living underneath a rock too long and > haven't heard Paul's music yet, you're going to have to add on atleast a > couple more CD's to your growing must hear list. Paul has produced a number > of CD's under the name of Arcane and Paul Lawler , my favorite being 'Gather > Darkness'. Arcane is one of a number groups / individuals who I consider a > TD descendants, producing music in the vein of late seventies to early 80's > TD. Paul has just released a CDR called 'Afterstill', which not surprisingly > has received glowing reviews, one in which I too will soon be adding to my > collection. Max Richter is a fictitious creation of Paul's active > imagination. A number of us on this list are already familiar with Paul's > work. For those of you who are new or unfamiliar with him and like retro TD, > I highly advise you to give his music a try. IMO, Paul is a young and > talented musician with a bright future. He probably started making music at > a very tender age with a rattle across his bars. How's that Paul, did I do > good ? :-) > Well done Frank , the fivers on its way !!!! Paul From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Welcome Paul! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 9:27 PM Subject: [tadream] Welcome Paul! > ~Here's another letter of welcome, Paul, from someone who's played > your 'Year Zero' album on Polish radio, and enjoyed it very much. Good god , I forgot all about that one !!!! > > On those only odd occasions I look at the TD guestbook, I recall you > asking about tickets for the Shepherd's Bush gig. Have you got yours > yet? If so, I hope we can all look forward to meeting you at the... > oh, dang, what's the name of the pub near the place... I'm sure > someone will remind us. Yes I did thanks , where`s everyone meeting ? My girlfriend was supposed to be coming but she came up with a convenient excuse , so I`ll be there on my own otherwise . I cant remeber the pubs name either Paul From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:14 pm Subject: Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Johnson To: Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 2:41 PM Subject: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 > For me 7 Letters From Tibet is probably the best album of 2000 both from TD > and any other artist. Now wait for me to open my umbrella before you start > firing.... > > Dont worry , we`ll only be firing cotton wool buds at you so that you clean out your ears :) Funny how people have different tastes . 7 letters was for me , the biggest insult TD have thrown at us . Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25989 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number Jared White Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush I`m going as well !!! Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Fellows To: Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 6:32 PM Subject: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush > Hi all, > > The number of messages from people who say they are going to Shepherd's Bush > on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if you're > going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > > Just to reassure everybody in case you didn't see Roger's message: > > > Bloody Hell! I just remembered! This year's FA Cup Final is taking place in > > Cardiff, Wales because Wembley Stadium is being rebuilt! > > > No problems with the pub then! See you all down there! > > (The Moon on the Green Pub) > > Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > David Foster (UK) > Duncan McKee (UK) > Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > Glynn Naughton (France) > Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > Marion (UK) > Matthew Stringer (UK) > Michael Jean (USA, not sure) > Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > Paul Fellows (France) > Rainer Rutka (Germany) > Ray (UK) > Roger Hartopp (Poland) > > Paul > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25978 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Armin Theissen Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 4:40 pm Subject: Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Hi, I hope you all enjoy yourselves at good old Shepherd's Bush. I would go, too, but I have already something better (!) scheduled. I go scuba diving with my girlfriend. Wait for your concert reports. And anyway, there may be more gigs in Europe and elsewhere. armin From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 4:44 pm Subject: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet Just some random thoughts.... How much of Quinoa ended up on 220 Volt and Three Phase? I am not a musician but some parts sound rather similar to me. Not that I am complaining I really like all three. Also, I am sure this has been brought up, but did anybody notice that the Seven Letters of Tibet are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. Also, I actually really liked Seven Letters, but a family member was at my house when it was playing and wondered who died. He said it sounded like a 'death dirge' funeral music. My 5 year old son was not happy when I turned it off. Glad he takes his music preference after me. Frank Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25980 Re: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet Feldon Feldon Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 25983 Re: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet fstephe@a... Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB 25981 Re: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet Joel S. Mullen Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 4:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet Well, Quinoa was a preview of the 1992 concerts. And 220 Volt is mostly studio, while Three Phase is mostly a California concert in 1992. The first 5 minutes of Logos started out as a plodding 11 minute version in fall 1981. They tightened it up for the fall 1982 show. Same with Poland. It's 21 minutes on the Poland release but was about 30 minutes at the concert and other 1983 concerts. So they always have some kind of preview going which gets evolved. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. >From: fstephe@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:44:01 -0000 > >Just some random thoughts.... > >How much of Quinoa ended up on 220 Volt and Three Phase? I am not a >musician but some parts sound rather similar to me. Not that I am >complaining I really like all three. > >Also, I am sure this has been brought up, but did anybody notice that >the Seven Letters of Tibet are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. >Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. > >Also, I actually really liked Seven Letters, but a family member was >at my house when it was playing and wondered who died. He said it >sounded like a 'death dirge' funeral music. My 5 year old son was >not happy when I turned it off. Glad he takes his music preference >after me. > >Frank > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25983 Re: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet fstephe@a... Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 5:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet On Monday, February 12, 2001 10:44 AM, fstephe@a... [SMTP:fstephe@a...] wrote: > > Also, I am sure this has been brought up, but did anybody notice that > the Seven Letters of Tibet are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. > Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. I am trying to remember what I have read, but wasn't there something about the tracks being re-named? Something like originally it would have been ROYGBIV, but for some reason track #3 is now 'G' for Golden, instead of 'Y' for yellow and track #7 is now 'P' for Purple instead of 'V' for Violet? I know the track names don't even match from the back of the CD case to the insert, but that should be no surprise either I guess. Anyone remember what I am talking about or am I just crazy? From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 5:12 pm Subject: SEVEN LETTERS OF TIBET's Rainbow Titles On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:44:01 -0000 fstephe@a... writes: > Just some random thoughts.... [. . .] I am sure this has been >brought up, but did anybody notice that the Seven Letters of Tibet >are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. > > Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. Hey, *I* certainly was not aware of it! Cool! That is really cool! :) And for those who don't know what we're talking about: R: Red > Red O: Orange > Orange Y: Golden > Yellow G: Green > Green B: Blue > Blue I: Indigo > Indigo V: Purple > Violet MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films, SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream, MY WEB SITE http://members.spree.com/molasar/ UFO abduction literature, EBAY http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ and transgenderal issues. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26018 Re: SEVEN LETTERS OF TIBET's Rainbow Titles Erik Sanborn Tue 2/13/2001 4 KB From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 6:35 pm Subject: Re: Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet When listening to some of TD's works I always feel as if I am listening to a work in progress. Kinda watching the Mona Lisa being painted...first with blonde hair, then with red, then finally a brunette. Guess nothing is final until they say it is. Does keep it exciting though. 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > Well, Quinoa was a preview of the 1992 concerts. And 220 Volt is mostly > studio, while Three Phase is mostly a California concert in 1992. > > The first 5 minutes of Logos started out as a plodding 11 minute version in > fall 1981. They tightened it up for the fall 1982 show. Same with Poland. > It's 21 minutes on the Poland release but was about 30 minutes at the > concert and other 1983 concerts. So they always have some kind of preview > going which gets evolved. From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 2:43 am Subject: Seven Letters tracks Hi everyone, My own copy of 'Seven Letters...' has the following track listing discrepancies.... CD Insert 1. The Red Blood Conection 2. The Orange Breath 3. The Sun And The Golden Heart 4. The Green Land 5. The Long Distance Blue 6. The Indigo Clouds 7. The Purple Of The Last Curtain Rear Cover 1. The Red Blood Connection 2. The Orange Breath 3. The Golden Heart 4. The Green Land 5. The Blue Pearl 6. The Indigo Clouds 7. The Purple Of All Curtains We're all used to the all-too frequent typos on TDI's sleeves, but this is ridiculous ! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25986 Re: Seven Letters tracks fstephe@a... Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:08 pm Subject: you know about this? hey jared- hope you have been well. do you know about this? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0446524328/o/qid=982002363/sr=8-1/ref =aps_sr_b_1_1/107-5246850-7973354 -joe From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:11 pm Subject: Re: Seven Letters tracks Typos may exist, but I feel the intent is what matters and the intent here was the colors of the rainbow. Frank --- In tadream@y..., 'Chris Owen' wrote: > Hi everyone, > > My own copy of 'Seven Letters...' has the following track listing discrepancies.... > > CD Insert > > 1. The Red Blood Conection > 2. The Orange Breath > 3. The Sun And The Golden Heart > 4. The Green Land > 5. The Long Distance Blue > 6. The Indigo Clouds > 7. The Purple Of The Last Curtain > > Rear Cover > > 1. The Red Blood Connection > 2. The Orange Breath > 3. The Golden Heart > 4. The Green Land > 5. The Blue Pearl > 6. The Indigo Clouds > 7. The Purple Of All Curtains > > We're all used to the all-too frequent typos on TDI's sleeves, but this is ridiculous ! > > - Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:16 pm Subject: OT - oops - RE: [tadream] you know about this? oops sorry- that was supposed to go offlist just to jared > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...] > hey jared- > hope you have been well. > > do you know about this? > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0446524328/o/qid=982002 > 363/sr=8-1/ref > =aps_sr_b_1_1/107-5246850-7973354 > > > From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:48 pm Subject: Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') In a message dated 2/11/01 2:25:57 AM, jwhite@s... writes: >Most modern 'dance' 'music' is utter shite, and this whole >'TDJ Rome' thing is starting to scare the bejeezus out of me. Well, sure, most of it is in fact shite--not that that somehow distinguishes it from any other genre. But if only *most* of it is bad, that would still mean that some of it is good. If Jerome does indeed go all-out with the techno thing as Sean suggested, there's no reason to just assume it'll turn out badly. Wait until you hear it; then decide if you like it. :) --Daniel NP: VNV Nation--Arclight (speaking of good dance music) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25992 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Jared White Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 25994 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Richard Mon 2/12/2001 3 KB 25993 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Feldon Feldon Mon 2/12/2001 2 KB 25996 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Feldon Feldon Mon 2/12/2001 6 KB 25998 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Richard Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 25999 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Sean Montgomery Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB 26001 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') quarlie@a... Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26002 SV: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audienc Pergamon Tue 2/13/2001 4 KB 26011 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Joe Shoults Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB From: Jared White Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:04 pm Subject: RE: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 Disclaimer: I've exchanged words with Paul Lawler before on another mailing list, so this message is somewhat dragging up an old thread. I apologize, but what needs to be said needs to be said. I just can't let this go by. > -----Original Message----- > From: lawlermusic [mailto:lawlermusic@s...] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Johnson > > > For me 7 Letters From Tibet is probably the best album of 2000 both from > TD > > and any other artist. Now wait for me to open my umbrella > before you start > > firing.... > > > > > Dont worry , we`ll only be firing cotton wool buds at you so that > you clean > out your ears :) Maybe *your* ears are the ones that need cleaning? > Funny how people have different tastes . 7 letters was for me , > the biggest > insult TD have thrown at us . Um, and you're one to talk of insults? It's really amazing you have the guts to come up with comments like this considering you're the guy behind one of the biggest TD rip-off acts in the business! You come along, make a career out of stealing other people's ideas, and then criticize those other people in the process. And *you're* talking of insults? How dare you act like you know so much more and are so much more talented than the man who's been creating some of the greatest EM music on the planet for the past 30 years -- the man without whom you wouldn't have your 'base' to 'draw' from musically! Arcane wouldn't exist without EF, and yet you somehow have decided it's OK to make cheap potshots at him all the same. And don't give me any of this Unkle Eddie bullshit about how he's all washed up -- 7 Letters from Tibet is far better than anything I've hear YOU come up with under the guise of 'Arcane'. You still need to prove yourself, Paul. Come up with something really new. Really different. Come up with some really complex melodies. Come up with some really original sounds. Come up with a groundbreaking album in the EM genre. And I mean *ground-breaking*. Then maybe you can come back and criticize some of the latest TD releases like you're an expert. Meanwhile, your words don't hold any weight with *me*, and I daresay I'm just as an experienced musician and critic as YOU are. Jared White http://www.mp3.com/distantoaks From: fstephe@a... Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:13 pm Subject: Question about Antique Dreams How much 'new and unreleased' material is there on Antiques Dreams? Any guidance for somebody on a limited buying budget would be appreciated. Frank Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25991 Re: Question about Antique Dreams Feldon Feldon Mon 2/12/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Question about Antique Dreams About 50%. I think it's worth it but others don't feel as strongly. I think the 50% makes it worth while because we've been hoping for a new release of it. But it also leaves us hanging because Edgar could have put BOTH parts of Ultima Thule (for example) and the full Overture instead of only half of it. Also he doctored one of the Tatort tracks unnecessarily, removing the most interesting part of it. And the last few tracks are stuff we already own ad nauseum. -Morgan >From: fstephe@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Question about Antique Dreams >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:13:45 -0000 > >How much 'new and unreleased' material is there on Antiques Dreams? >Any guidance for somebody on a limited buying budget would be >appreciated. > >Frank > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Jared White Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') > -----Original Message----- > From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...] > > In a message dated 2/11/01 2:25:57 AM, jwhite@s... writes: > > >Most modern 'dance' 'music' is utter shite, and this whole > >'TDJ Rome' thing is starting to scare the bejeezus out of me. > > Well, sure, most of it is in fact shite--not that that somehow > distinguishes > it from any other genre. But if only *most* of it is bad, that > would still > mean that some of it is good. If Jerome does indeed go all-out with the > techno thing as Sean suggested, there's no reason to just assume > it'll turn > out badly. Wait until you hear it; then decide if you like it. :) Well, I've already heard the TDJ Rome MP3's on the Ground Liftaz Web site, and, though I realize they're short and don't give you much, they're enough to show me that Jerome's already gone 'all-out' way too much for my liking. The melodies are non-existent, the chordal structures are extremely limited, and most of the sounds are base samples that Jerome's done absolutely nothing with. One of the pieces, I forget which, has a bass sound with a cutoff filter sweep -- and that cutoff filter sweep is part of the sample! You can hear the sweep go at a much slower rate on the low notes than the high notes. In other words, Jerome can't even come up with his own bass sound and sweep it manually. That does *not* give me confidence in his upcoming musical projects. Gee, this is making me really depressed. There just isn't much good stuff left in the world anymore. Oh for the days where musicians actually had to be able to play their instruments before they could create real music. When you go listen to the 'best of the best' today and then go pop Beethoven's Ninth in your CD player, you realize there just isn't any comparison most of the time. I think music reached its zenith long ago, and it's been mostly downhill from there. Regards, Jared Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25994 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Richard Mon 2/12/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') >From: Jared White >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:15:05 -0800 > >Gee, this is making me really depressed. There just isn't much good stuff >left in the world anymore. Oh for the days where musicians actually had to >be able to play their instruments before they could create real music. If Airsculpture's Jodrell Bank 2000 concert doesn't seem like good composition, check your pulse. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Richard Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >Gee, this is making me really depressed. There just isn't much good stuff >left in the world anymore. Oh for the days where musicians actually had to >be able to play their instruments before they could create real music. When >you go listen to the 'best of the best' today and then go pop Beethoven's >Ninth in your CD player, you realize there just isn't any comparison most of >the time. I think music reached its zenith long ago, and it's been mostly >downhill from there. I'm glad I'm not alone in these views. One of the drawbacks of modern technology is that people with little or no musical knowledge can produce (at very high quality) noise. It is unfortunate that this 'noise' is very easy & cheap to produce. Force it out on Radio 1 and the youngsters believe this is what music is all about. There is no reason why they should attempt to learn an instrument. Just get one of these modern boom machines, and hey presto instant 'noise'. I know there are people on this list that do not agree with this view. Well, we'll just have to wait and see, won't we. I worry for music. I know it is continually changing. The trouble is, not all changes are for the good. - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOohN1DBWmWbUzpzAEQIp4gCfXWI5g3B31Io0wRZHfDquFbSESvQAoLmI Lp5WU62rGfNybmeTQvWgeS1X =qrZ+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 9:04 pm Subject: Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jared White To: Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: RE: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 > Disclaimer: I've exchanged words with Paul Lawler before on another mailing > list, so this message is somewhat dragging up an old thread. I apologize, > but what needs to be said needs to be said. I just can't let this go by. etc God Bless Jared ! Have you ever written any grounbreaking dance music to qualify *your* statement ??? Paul From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 9:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') I'll admit that I feel I can't really compose music until I get an instrument with the sounds I want. Yes, this means using pre-defined, pre-recorded samples that someone else has come up with. I don't really know where I would even begin to find my own sound effects, except some naturally and some man-made sounds I've always wanted to include. I don't have any of the equipment to do it, nor do I have the sound filtering/tweaking experience needed. But I also don't feel I can accomplish what I want on the general midi patch set. That's the crazy part. TD were using a lot of what was already included on the Mellotrons, etc. (forgive my lack of knowledge in this area) because I've heard the same sounds in other artists who have used the same equipment. But, they were GOOD samples and used in great ways. I think bad/uninteresting/tired samples are part of the deal but not all of it. I still don't understand Edgar's pushing the band to put away the old, good equipment and trying the new totally digital composing that was in its infancy. They lost their sound at the expense of new technology. Optical Race vs. Logos. It's the compositional style (without JS and CF it's pretty weak) AND the equipment. Together it was just weak. Maybe it's easier to compose that way but not worth the loss of sound. So by looking for a keyboard (Korg Wavestation or something with analog sounds) with a lot of pre-made samples, maybe I am feeding into the behavior or trend of people with little musical experience finding some sounds that could be mixed together and making something cute. Maybe, but even the very experimental stuff I have produced has seemed to have a lasting quality in me, even with all it's rough edges. And I am the first one to criticize anything I do. I know I don't have the discipline to play with 2 hands for instance, or handle 3-4 sounds at the same time. I guess because TD are an established band, more should be expected. Bottom line, people stopped taking TD seriously a long time ago except diehard fans. If Seven Letters and Dream Mixes III (based my listening to the 2 DJ Rome tracks) are where TD is going, I'm out. Mars Polaris had something to it, but not enough. -Morgan >From: Richard >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:55:48 +0000 > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > >Gee, this is making me really depressed. There just isn't much good stuff > >left in the world anymore. Oh for the days where musicians actually had >to > >be able to play their instruments before they could create real music. >When > >you go listen to the 'best of the best' today and then go pop Beethoven's > >Ninth in your CD player, you realize there just isn't any comparison most >of > >the time. I think music reached its zenith long ago, and it's been mostly > >downhill from there. > >I'm glad I'm not alone in these views. One of the drawbacks of modern >technology is that people with little or no musical knowledge can >produce (at very high quality) noise. It is unfortunate that this >'noise' is very easy & cheap to produce. Force it out on Radio 1 and the >youngsters believe this is what music is all about. > >There is no reason why they should attempt to learn an instrument. Just >get one of these modern boom machines, and hey presto instant 'noise'. > >I know there are people on this list that do not agree with this view. >Well, we'll just have to wait and see, won't we. > >I worry for music. I know it is continually changing. The trouble is, >not all changes are for the good. >- -- >Richard > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 > >iQA/AwUBOohN1DBWmWbUzpzAEQIp4gCfXWI5g3B31Io0wRZHfDquFbSESvQAoLmI >Lp5WU62rGfNybmeTQvWgeS1X >=qrZ+ >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25998 Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Richard Mon 2/12/2001 4 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 9:11 pm Subject: Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 Ok, the flamewar stops now. Before it even starts. We are NOT going to lose more people from this tadream list because of this. >From: 'lawlermusic' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:04:49 -0000 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jared White >To: >Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 8:04 PM >Subject: RE: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 > > > > Disclaimer: I've exchanged words with Paul Lawler before on another >mailing > > list, so this message is somewhat dragging up an old thread. I >apologize, > > but what needs to be said needs to be said. I just can't let this go by. >etc > >God Bless Jared ! >Have you ever written any grounbreaking dance music to qualify *your* >statement ??? > > > >Paul > > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my%2\ 0address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my a\ ddress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Richard Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 9:32 pm Subject: Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >That's the crazy part. TD were using a lot of what was already included on >the Mellotrons, etc. But the Mellatron had to played. There was no 'instant' button. It was (I'm sure) the first sample playback keyboard, but apart from the 'samples' it was a keyboard, and you had to play it in a special way to get the best out of it. > they were GOOD samples and used in great ways. I agree 100%. I'm planning to use Mellatron sounds when I go back out playing later this year. > >I think bad/uninteresting/tired samples are part of the deal but not all of >it. I still don't understand Edgar's pushing the band to put away the old, >good equipment and trying the new totally digital composing that was in its >infancy. They lost their sound at the expense of new technology. The same way that Tony Banks did. The last Genesis album could have been made by any session musicians. Totally Anonymous. >So by looking for a keyboard (Korg Wavestation or something with analog >sounds) with a lot of pre-made samples, maybe I am feeding into the behavior >or trend of people with little musical experience finding some sounds that >could be mixed together and making something cute. Have you looked at the Waldorf Microwave?. The first version is the closest you'll get to owning a PPG 2.3. > >Maybe, but even the very experimental stuff I have produced has seemed to >have a lasting quality in me, even with all it's rough edges. And I am the >first one to criticize anything I do. I know I don't have the discipline to >play with 2 hands for instance, or handle 3-4 sounds at the same time. I >guess because TD are an established band, more should be expected. You don't need to be able to play 'piano' style. Handling more than one sound at a time does not come naturally. It take time & practice. > >Bottom line, people stopped taking TD seriously a long time ago except >diehard fans. If Seven Letters and Dream Mixes III (based my listening to >the 2 DJ Rome tracks) are where TD is going, I'm out. Mars Polaris had >something to it, but not enough. I always thought that Tangerine Dream was a collective. Somewhat like the Beatles, as a working collective the output of the group was greater than any of the solo material. They bounced ideas off each other. When your working on your own (lets take JF out of the equation) you get stuck in a rut. I'm sure all of the musicians here will agree on that, I miss working in a group environment. I just hated the arguments! - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOohWZzBWmWbUzpzAEQJ0dwCg4fhghwxWZL+SrKonOhEnEdCwJrIAnRLn 1j8/ucCkc/F8VZ2OYKr2HBOV =/A1d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Talk about the 'death of music' is as tedious as talk about 'the death of art' (not that it stops people from talking about both topics!) I think you can chalk up the uninspiring state of contemporary music-making to a few things: 1) Corporate control of radio and record labels. Corporate heads are interested in only one thing: profits. And that means going with proven formulas that have sold well in the past. Radio isn't about music, but drawing in listeners for the advertisments. 2) Lack of new technological progression Throughout the 20th century, many musicians were inspired by new techniques of music making, whether by the electric guitar, the Moog synthesizer, or the sampler. Nothing really innovative has come along recently (at least, not that I'm aware of), and this seems to have slowed down the pace of experimentation. There's also been a slowdown in the kind of cultural cross-polination that led to jazz, rock and roll and rap. Some musicians, like Paul Haslinger, have sought inspiration in world musics, but even this genre feels tapped-out. As the influence of western rock and roll extends around the world, there will be fewer and fewer pockets of truly 'alternative' music. Everyone, from Atlanta, Georgia to the Russian state of Georgia, wants to be The Beatles. 3) A general feeling of ennui in society as a whole I had hoped that when the clock struck midnight on January 1, 2000 - and folks were forced to contend with the fact that the world had not blown up - there would be an outpouring of creativity in the artistic world. But no. I didn't feel it myself, and based on what I hear on the radio, and see in the movie theatre...other artists aren't feeling it either. People just aren't very optimistic about the future these days. There's talk of economic depression, rumblings of war, and fear of environmental collapse. Plus, art isn't especially valued right now. Unless it boosts the price of someone's stock, it gets paid no mind. People just want escapism, whether it be in happy stupid entertainment or cathartic angry entertainment. Of course, there's another point to be taken into consideration...it could just be that we just can't see the great art of our time yet. Often, it takes the perspective afforded by history to look back and pick out what was truely great in a certain era. Furthermore, the study of history has made people think that art must evolve in a Darwinian fashion, and that by following the progress of the dominant species, you can see which way things are going. But sometimes the dominant species dies, and something that has been breeding up in the branches emerges to take its place. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 11:43 pm Subject: Systems Music Has anybody ever heard of a 70s group called Systems Music ? I first heard them on a John Williams 'Close Encounters and other great space music' record in about 1977 . As far as I know ,they are Swedish . The tracks they wrote for the above mentioned record are amazing , absolute analogue classics . Please put me out of my searching misery . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 12:05 am Subject: Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') In a message dated 2/12/01 3:39:28 PM, jwhite@s... writes: >Gee, this is making me really depressed. There just isn't much good stuff >left in the world anymore. Oh for the days where musicians actually had >to be able to play their instruments before they could create real music. I may be veering off-topic here, and I apologize for that, but there's still plenty of good stuff out there. People may think of 2000 as the year of mechanical, mass-produced teen pop and boneheaded rap-metal, but to me it was the year of: Symphony X, 'V' Delerium, 'Poem' Ozric Tentacles, 'The Hidden Step' Juno Reactor, 'Shango' The Trans-Siberian Orchestra, 'Beethoven's Last Night' VNV Nation, 'Empires' Collective Soul, 'Blender' Steve Roach, 'Early Man' as well as a couple of decent TD releases (hey, I'm on topic again) and, surely, other things that I can't think of at the moment. And that's just what I was able to get on my constrained college student budget. My advice is: don't get discouraged. Mainstream music may be in the gutter, but look elsewhere and you'll find some gems. --Daniel NP: the Orb--Orblivion (anybody have their new single yet?) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26002 SV: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audienc Pergamon Tue 2/13/2001 4 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 1:36 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') Hello All I have been on the lurking mode for a VERY long time and this kind of thread is the reason. I can't help feeling when reading the thread that whatever is going to be released on the musicmarket today, some of you will just call it utterly crap. Some of you must walk around with your ears closed, because there is plenty of very good artists and music on the market today. Granted they are not a TD-clone. And yes a lot of the musicians today is forgotten in a few years, but what about all the bands you don't remember from the 70' and 80'. There will always be good and bad music and the market. It sounds like some of you can't cope with the fact that music is evolving. I have always been fascinated by electronic music, but I have always looked at the new impulses from the market. I love TD and the likes, but I make Goa / PsyTrance myself. Deal with the fact that other people don't have the same musictaste as you do. Why waste so much time discussing all the music you don't like when you could spend that time with the music you like. If TD is trying something new, fine with me. If Jerome has an urge to make music for the dancefloors, fine with me. As I stated before on this list, TD is not what it was in the *old days*. This is mainly because the TD-crew has changed, but also because we are writing 2001, and a lot has changed since then. The music and what you are influenced by, is very different from then. And don't give me that story about 'remember the time when people actually had to play their instrument' is this stated by people that don't know what it takes to play a synth. It doesn't do it all by itself, I am sorry to break this to you, but YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO PLAY THE THING BEFORE IT MAKES ANYTHING. Yes you have got programs on the computer which can control all your synths. This is mainly because most artist today, work alone and have several synths, which is very hard to play at the same time. You only have to hands. But, you still have to play and record the music you are making. You also had these programs back then, just in another form. Some of the music today is very low quality, but hey!, it has always been so. Just remember some of the horrible bands in the 70', 80' and 90'. So IMO there has always been musicians with little or no musical knowledge that has been making music. This is not a modern technology thing. And there will always be teenagers with little music knowledge that listens to this. Some of the comments in the 70' about TD was, 'this was just some mediocre Hippie-crap-music', 'if this is modern music I fear for music' etc etc. So here were are 20-30 years later and I still hear those comments. It makes you think. Back to lurk mode and my modern boom machines and making some high quality noise Jan From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 9:03 am Subject: Re: 7 Letters from Tibet [tadream] Digest Number 790 In a message dated 2/12/2001 1:13:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, feldon23@h... writes: > Ok, the flamewar stops now. Before it even starts. > We are NOT going to lose more people from this tadream list because of this. > *Well you lost one anyway.... I just came back from an absence only to read Jareds self-righteous personal attacks at Paul Lawler, and quite frankly I don't have time for this immature bullshit. I know there are some good people here and wish you well, but If Jared is still throwing temper tantrums at the drop of a pin, well I have better things to do. Paul Ellis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 11:58 am Subject: Lightwave to perform at Alfa Centauri The French electro-acoustic duo Lightwave, whom some of you may know from their collaborations with Paul Haslinger, will perform (without Paul) at the 8th Annual Alfa Centauri Festival on Saturday, April 28 at the Theatre 't Spant in Bussum, The Netherlands. For additional informatio, please visit the Alfa Centauri Web site at www.alfacentauri.nl. Sincerely, Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 2:45 pm Subject: RE: Return of Lawry Simm, his head's not dim...[tadream] Digest N umber 791 >Rainbow Serpent >Keller & Schonwalder >Syndromeda & Stephan Whitlan >Ramp & Cosmic Hoffman >So, who's going to these concerts? The usual crew no doubt, but any new >listmembers? Don't know if I qualify as new, in any respect, but would certainly consider going. I've heard about Jodrell Bank but don't know where it is. Is there a web-site for Info. and booking maybe? /Olle From: kevine@c... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 3:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') Not to disagree with either Sean or Daniel or Jan, but I would like to add a comment. It seems to me that it is very easy to forget that music (or art) is a matter of personal taste. There are no universal (read: objective) standards for good music, just your own opinion based upon your own tastes. OK, this is self-evident, but your tastes evolve over time. You can only hear Phaedra for the first time once. But what is even more important is that you can't listen to Rubycon for the first time without internally referencing Phaedra. And when you hear Rockoon for the first time, you are internally comparing it with Phaedra and Rubycon and Tangram.... And you are comparing it to all the rest of the music you have enjoyed. It may strike a chord, or it may not - personal taste is a large and complex thing. Remember, this applies to the musicians as well. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26007 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') Heiko Heerssen Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB 26010 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') quarlie@a... Tue 2/13/2001 2 KB 26012 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') Feldon Feldon Tue 2/13/2001 4 KB 26014 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') lawlermusic Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26015 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') Sean Montgomery Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26016 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') kevine@c... Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26017 Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') Feldon Feldon Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 3:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') kevine@c... schrieb: > OK, this is self-evident, but your tastes evolve over time. You can only > hear Phaedra for the first time once. But what is even more important is > that you can't listen to Rubycon for the first time without internally > referencing Phaedra. And when you hear Rockoon for the first time, you are > internally comparing it with Phaedra and Rubycon and Tangram.... And you > are comparing it to all the rest of the music you have enjoyed. It may > strike a chord, or it may not - personal taste is a large and complex > thing. > Remember, this applies to the musicians as well. Well said, Kevin. I couldn't agree more with you, this should be carved in stone. Heiko n.p.: TD Croydon Fairfield Hall 23.10.75, a milestone in electronic music. From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 3:36 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet Hi Joel, Have a look at the 7 letters page on my site, all is explained... http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/tibet.html Paul ---------- >De : 'Joel S. Mullen' >À : ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Objet : RE: [tadream] Quinoa and 7 Letter Tibet >Date : Lun 12 fév 2001 18:43 > > On Monday, February 12, 2001 10:44 AM, fstephe@a... > [SMTP:fstephe@a...] wrote: > >> >> Also, I am sure this has been brought up, but did anybody notice that >> the Seven Letters of Tibet are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. >> Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. > > > I am trying to remember what I have read, but wasn't there something > about the tracks being re-named? Something like originally it would > have been ROYGBIV, but for some reason track #3 is now 'G' for > Golden, instead of 'Y' for yellow and track #7 is now 'P' for Purple > instead of 'V' for Violet? I know the track names don't even match > from the back of the CD case to the insert, but that should be no > surprise either I guess. Anyone remember what I am talking about > or am I just crazy? > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tom george' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 3:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs why burn cdrs off them when the link that Rolf provided clearly states that PDO will replace all defective discs up to 20 years after they were pressed? tom -- On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:59:12 Antonio Nunes wrote: > > > >Rolf Elfstrvm wrote: >> >> Yes, it's aluminum and it's oxidizing. This is a problem mostly >> found on CDs pressed at the Philips & Du Pont Optical UK Ltd (PDO) >> between 1988 and 1993. The lacquer used to cover the aluminum >> cannot withstand the sulphur in the paper of the booklet. >> (...) >> Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' >> near the center hole... > > >Thanks for the info, Rolf. My copy of White Eagle (CDV2226) is labeled >'Made in U.K. by PDO' and actually it looks very suspicious, its colour >is almost as if it was a golden CD. Curiously the golden tinge is very >uniform, unlike Geir's Rubycon. Anyway, it's backup time! > >Antonio Nunes > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 4:13 pm Subject: Re: New Music (was 'Dance shite') In a message dated 2/13/01 10:09:16 AM, kevine@c... writes: >Not to disagree with either Sean or Daniel or Jan, but I would like to >add a comment. It seems to me that it is very easy to forget that music (or >art) is a matter of personal taste. There are no universal (read: >objective) standards for good music, just your own opinion based upon your >own tastes. I thoroughly agree. Upon re-reading I see that my previous post may have been unclear. My reason for listing some recent examples of what I consider good music was to show the diversity of music available to those who seek it. The albums I listed are all very different, but even if someone doesn't happen to like any of them, they're bound to find *something* they like, thus my advice to not get discouraged. --Daniel NP: Orbital--the Middle of Nowhere From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 5:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') hey Jan- I may be asking something everybody already knows, but could you explain Goa? what is this? thanks, Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...] ... > but I make Goa / PsyTrance myself. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26027 SV: [tadream] Goa?????? Pergamon Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') My TD exposure started with the movie Miracle Mile. Then I got Turn of the Tides, then Rockoon, and then 220 Volt. I loved them all. Then when I stumbled across Phaedra, Logos, Tangram (I admit it took me some time to get into this one), Force Majeure, Encore (took me a LONG time to get into this one), I realized that I had been listening to but faint echoes of the compositional masterpieces TD had done in the past. Now, I hardly listen to 220 Volt and only a couple of tracks on Rockoon and Turn of the Tides. So this punches a big hole in your argument that whatever you hear first is what you will always be enamoured with. I am EXAMPLE A that this is not always the case. -Morgan From: kevine@c... Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:07:02 -0500 Not to disagree with either Sean or Daniel or Jan, but I would like to add a comment. It seems to me that it is very easy to forget that music (or art) is a matter of personal taste. There are no universal (read: objective) standards for good music, just your own opinion based upon your own tastes. OK, this is self-evident, but your tastes evolve over time. You can only hear Phaedra for the first time once. But what is even more important is that you can't listen to Rubycon for the first time without internally referencing Phaedra. And when you hear Rockoon for the first time, you are internally comparing it with Phaedra and Rubycon and Tangram.... And you are comparing it to all the rest of the music you have enjoyed. It may strike a chord, or it may not - personal taste is a large and complex thing. Remember, this applies to the musicians as well. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs tom george wrote: > > why burn cdrs off them when the link that Rolf > provided clearly states that PDO will replace all > defective discs up to 20 years after they were > pressed? You're right. I've an obsession with backups because I work on a Computer Dept. :-) Antonio np: Arcane - Alterstill From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 5:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') > My TD exposure started with the movie Miracle Mile. Then I got Turn of the > Tides, then Rockoon, and then 220 Volt. I loved them all. > > Then when I stumbled across Phaedra, Logos, Tangram (I admit it took me some > time to get into this one), Force Majeure, Encore (took me a LONG time to > get into this one), I realized that I had been listening to but faint echoes > of the compositional masterpieces TD had done in the past. Now, I hardly > listen to 220 Volt and only a couple of tracks on Rockoon and Turn of the > Tides. > > So this punches a big hole in your argument that whatever you hear first is > what you will always be enamoured with. I am EXAMPLE A that this is not > always the case. > > -Morgan > I`m not sure if thats the case with me or not . My first TD record was Force Majeur , folled by Logos , Poland and Le parc . At the time , I only liked the more 'tuneful' aspects of these albums ,but as time went by , and the Haslinger era happened , I much preferred albums like optical race , lily on the beach etc . It seems now though , as i have got older , that I can only really listen to the schmoelling era , and for opposite reasons than at first . I never really got into the 70s stuff at all , apart from Green Desert and cyclone (honest) Paul From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 5:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') kevine@c... wrote: > It seems to me that it is very easy to forget that music (or art) is a matter of personal taste. You have no argument from me on that one! Another thought, related to this discussion, occurred to me this morning. 1987-89 was a pretty bleak time for pop music too. The airwaves were filled with the likes of Milli Vanilli, Paula Abdul, New Kids on the Block and Kylie Minogue. Rock music was dominated by hair bands (Cinderella, Motley Crue, Guns n Roses). The 'new wave' explosion of the early 80s had petered out, the Smiths had broken up, U2 and R.E.M. had gone top-40...and Tangerine Dream was embracing short pop song structures with cheesy drums and cheesier melodies. It would have been easy to declare 'the death of music' back then too. But for those willing to look, lurking in the background were artists like The Stone Roses, Nirvana, The Pixies, 808 State, Derrick May, Soul II Soul, Public Enemy and Nine Inch Nails, designing musical templates for the coming decade. And there's still good music being made today too. I heartilly recommend 'Agaetis Byrjun', by Iceland's Sigur Ros, and 'Lift You Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven', by Canada's own Godspeed You Black Emperor. This is prog rock for the new millenium...glacially cool and beautiful. I also liked Thievery Corporation's 'The Mirror Conspiracy', Bebel Gilberto's 'Tanto Tempo' and Da Lata's 'From the Tin'...all have their roots in Brazillian music, which I've really grown to like over the past couple of years. Banco de Gaia's 'Igizeh' and Bowery Electric's 'Nightlife' were pretty cool too...and Lisa Gerrard continued to move me with her vocal work on the Gladiator soundtrack. I could go on...but for me, the main point is that you just have to do a little more work to find interesting music. Thankfully, the advent of mp3s has made sampling new sounds very easy. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: kevine@c... Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 6:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') Hey Morgan, I guess I didn't make my argument clearly enough. I am not trying to imply that what you hear first is what you will be enamored with, although it could be read that way. I also do not disgree with your taste in music :-). My argument is that your tastes evolve over time. You enjoyed Rockoon, for example. This enjoyment coloured your enjoyment of Rubycon and Encore. That you came to enjoy Encore more than Rockoon just goes to show that taste is a complex thing. I was also arguing that Edgar's tastes have evolved over time as well. For many of us here, our tastes have diverged from his. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 6:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') I get blank stares when I tell people that I listen to Nine Inch Nails not for the coarse lyrics, but for the compositional masterpieces that Trent produces. It's a shame that he doesn't produce 20 minute songs. He always rushes through what could be much longer and even more developed compositions. -Morgan From: Sean Montgomery Subject: Re: [tadream] New Music (was 'Dance shite') Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:49:35 -0500 kevine@c... wrote: > It seems to me that it is very easy to forget that music (or art) is a matter of personal taste. You have no argument from me on that one! Another thought, related to this discussion, occurred to me this morning. 1987-89 was a pretty bleak time for pop music too. The airwaves were filled with the likes of Milli Vanilli, Paula Abdul, New Kids on the Block and Kylie Minogue. Rock music was dominated by hair bands (Cinderella, Motley Crue, Guns n Roses). The 'new wave' explosion of the early 80s had petered out, the Smiths had broken up, U2 and R.E.M. had gone top-40...and Tangerine Dream was embracing short pop song structures with cheesy drums and cheesier melodies. It would have been easy to declare 'the death of music' back then too. But for those willing to look, lurking in the background were artists like The Stone Roses, Nirvana, The Pixies, 808 State, Derrick May, Soul II Soul, Public Enemy and Nine Inch Nails, designing musical templates for the coming decade. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Erik Sanborn' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 6:59 pm Subject: Re: SEVEN LETTERS OF TIBET's Rainbow Titles > Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:12:38 -0500 > From: scfeldman@j... > >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:44:01 -0000 fstephe@a... writes: > > > Just some random thoughts.... [. . .] I am sure this has been > >brought up, but did anybody notice that the Seven Letters of Tibet > >are R O Y G B I V. That's the rainbow. > > > > Been offlist for a while and didn't know if people noticed that. > > Hey, *I* certainly was not aware of it! Cool! That is really >cool! :) > And for those who don't know what we're talking about: > >R: Red > Red >O: Orange > Orange >Y: Golden > Yellow >G: Green > Green >B: Blue > Blue >I: Indigo > Indigo >V: Purple > Violet It's funny but I thought the rainbow reference was obvious given that 7 Letters is essentially a 'new age' album in musical style. Throw in a little mention of Tibet and the rainbow connection seems obvious, almost cliche', to me. For years TD fans, myself included, have griped about their favorite band being labeled 'new age'. Seeing Tangram and Logos in the music bins next to the likes of John Tesh and Yanni made me cringe. So what does TD do? They finally produce an album that fits in that genre. Don't get me wrong, I really do like 7 Letters. But I think it's important to look at it in the context of itself rather than in the context of the rest of TD's discography. I have introduced the album to non-TD fans who generally like the 'new age' style and most enjoy it. Some have even gone to the stores to buy their own copies! I'm glad that TD is not afraid to try something different for them. I'd rather they experiment and fail a few times in order to produce something really interesting than to churn out album after album of the same thing. I like Mars Polaris but I wouldn't want them to create several subsequent albums that all sound the same as it. Variety and experimentation make things interesting. I'm personally looking forward to the release of Star Trooper. I think there's quite a bit that Edgar could do with TD interpretations of classical pieces. Okay, some of you may be saying, 'I can do without tangentized J.S.Bach!' And you may be right, but it's worth a try. If Metallica can *successfully* combine metal with a symphony orchestra then TD should be able to step outside their usual musical style and try something new. I certainly hope so. Regards, Erik np: EF - 'Magic Lantern' (Love that guitar!) From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: TDI update Hi all just to let you know tdi have confirmed SBE gig at last and are planning a tour of the USA june/july dates to be confirmed. cheers Gary. From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 9:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI update woohoo!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Jenkins [mailto:hyperborea@b...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:53 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TDI update > > > Hi all just to let you know tdi have confirmed SBE gig at last and are > planning a tour of the USA june/july dates to be confirmed. > cheers Gary. > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various > Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me a > s BRANCH my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me a > s LEAF my address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Scott' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 9:57 pm Subject: Shepherd's Bush Anyone taping? If not, I might be able to loan my analog deck... Scott From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 11:29 pm Subject: Hyper-not-boring-at-all I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an underrated chapter, or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. No Man's Land is one of the best examples of the mechanical sound from the Schmoelling years. Hyperborea is one of the best ever TD tracks, with those notes, or key or whatever TD didn't use to play, making it a very beautiful melancholic track, taking the listener to vast, cold places like northern Greenland or Antarctica. At least that's where I go with this music. The transition to the second part is extremely well done, and the second part gives some kind of hope to the desolation of the first part. Cinnamon Road is an okay track, one more of those 3-4-minute-radio-tracks they used to make in that period. When I play Sphinx Lightning and remember the first two tracks, for some reason I think this album is, in some level, very close to the Pink years, maybe because of the vastness of the title track and of SL. Sphinx Lightning has a magical moment that begins around 9:45 and ends around 12:45. Thinking about all parts of this track together, as if looking at a whole continent from the space, makes SL sound perfect or at least very very well done: the sparse intro, the cold soft sequenced percussion section, those magic minutes between 9:45 and 12:45, the intro to the heavier percussion with water drops sounds (great percussion) part, the heavier percussion part itself, and the majestic ending. Some of those other magical TD moments are: the Monolight tune, Force Majeure 6:45-9:something, somewhere in the middle of the first half of the Brussels Jensen University 1976 concert (found in the Danger Live boo**** :), and many others. It was a delight when I discovered the origin of that harpsi(chord)² - the harpsichord chord - because it was one of the first TD sounds I had ever heard (Extracts from Poland and White Eagle were my first TD albums). I think anyone who hasn't heard Hyperborea yet should look for it, it's worth buying. It's almost as good as White Eagle. Maybe what makes White Eagle sound better than Hyperborea is the more sequencey style of WE, or maybe that froesian track (Convention of the 24), or the vastness of Hyperb., or all that. If I had to give Hyperb. a grade, between 0 and 10, it would be 7.5. White Eagle would get 8.5. Cyclone would get 6.5. Goblins' Club would get 4. Tyranny of Beauty, 5. Phaedra, 9. Tangram, something between 9.5 and 10.3. Stratosfear, something between 9.5 and 10.3 Force Majeure, 9.5. Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26023 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all Richard Tue 2/13/2001 3 KB 26032 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all John Marchington Wed 2/14/2001 5 KB 26034 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all PENFOLD Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB 26039 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all Armin Theissen Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB 26044 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all Gary Jenkins Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB 26056 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all Antonio Nunes Thu 2/15/2001 3 KB From: Richard Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 10:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an underrated chapter, >or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. > I have to agree. This album has a sound of it's own. >Hyperborea is one of the best ever TD tracks, with those notes, or key or >whatever TD didn't use to play, making it a very beautiful melancholic track, >taking the listener to vast, cold places like northern Greenland or Antarctica. >At least that's where I go with this music. The transition to the second part is >extremely well done, and the second part gives some kind of hope to the >desolation of the first part. This is one of my favourite tracks, the second half being almost magical. I fact I was going to do a cover of it on my 'cover' album. > >Cinnamon Road is an okay track, one more of those 3-4-minute-radio-tracks they >used to make in that period. A re-run of Chronozon perhaps? - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOom6CjBWmWbUzpzAEQJIkwCgzNc7D45Y7TtrkafsfOYILV1GSf4AoLsy 3Q2vq4yVokgFOwbu2Jm1IJ+E =m42b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 11:22 pm Subject: history of electronic musical instruments cool link: http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/ From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 11:49 pm Subject: RE: 7 Letters from Tibet >You still need to prove yourself, Paul. (etc - rant removed... we all read it the first time) >Jared White Can't say that I agree there Jared... Arcane gets more airtime on my CD player now than TD. I feel that what Paul has done is to take the better elements of TD's work, leave out the shite and come up with some wholly excellent stuff. And you obviously don't realise that the skill he has in recreating the glory days of TD comes from his great love of TD. It's his love of this era that is making him create music in this style, because it's what people are crying out for. TD no longer can manage it, but Paul does it effortlessly. You should also note that this is merely one of many styles of music in which Paul excels... you should hear some of his TV soundtrack work, and you would be amazed that the same guy has a part time hobby of cloning and in some case bettering TD's glory days. I can't help but feel you are being a tad unfair to a very talented young man. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that this is a childish rant, and quite a personal attack... perhaps better saved for private emails than for torching the list with. Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26026 Re: 7 Letters from Tibet Joe Shoults Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:01 am Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: 7 Letters from Tibet Thanks, Lawry. However, Jared is unable to read your message, as he has been unsubscribed from this list. You may contact him directly at jwhite@s... -JOe > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawry Simm [mailto:lawrysimm@s...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 6:49 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] RE: 7 Letters from Tibet > > > >You still need to prove yourself, Paul. (etc - rant > removed... we all read > it the first time) > >Jared White ... > man. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that this is a childish > rant, and > quite a personal attack... perhaps better saved for private > emails than for > torching the list with. From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:05 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Goa?????? hey Jan- I may be asking something everybody already knows, but could you explain Goa? what is this? thanks, Joe Hello This musicstyle is in the Techno-genre. This is the style that started the Techno as we know it today. It all started in India in a place called Goa, where they made these huge beachpartys, therefore the style is called Goa. The biggest name in that style, must be Astral Projection. A lot of Goa bands emerged from Israel, thus the name IsraGoa was given to their style. Goa has evolved tremendously in the past 8 years or so. This scene is constantly changing into new styles, there are litteraly dozen of musicstyles in the underground Technoscene. It is sometimes different which style dominates different countrys. Here in Denmark I would say that PsyTrance is the biggest. PsyTrance is fastgoing beats with layers of trip-sounds, were Goa is more fluent with layers of seguencers and more melodic. Trance is even more melodic and Dance has added song and is what rules the commercial musicmarket today. Hopes this gives a pictures of what Goa is. Regards Jan From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:09 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Goa?????? yes, thanks! > -----Original Message----- > From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...] > the Techno as we know it today. It all started in India in a > place called > Goa, where they made these huge beachpartys, therefore the > style is called... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26029 SV: [tadream] Goa?????? Pergamon Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:17 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Goa?????? You are welcome Jan -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...] Sendt: 14. februar 2001 01:10 Til: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' Emne: RE: [tadream] Goa?????? yes, thanks! > -----Original Message----- > From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...] > the Techno as we know it today. It all started in India in a > place called > Goa, where they made these huge beachpartys, therefore the > style is called... Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 1:41 am Subject: TD USA? Is this true? TD is planning a tour to the USA???? (per Gary Jenkins). Y E S S S S S S S S S S S SS S S S S S S! That would be 'most excellent!' Sheesh, even though I am a gray-haired adult, I actually have DREAMS about attending a Tangerine Dream concert! Pretty scary, eh? If TD tours the US of A, I will BE THERE! Hopefully some Western venues.... Heck, if they were to play at more than one western venue, I might be inspired to attend multiple events. That would be wild. I got a stack of TD CD's several feet long (well over a hundred + items now), listening to it day in and day out. I drive my wife and daughter crazy. Talk about crazy, with the Internet, ListServ, videos, etc., I almost feel like I 'know' these guys. Gotta luv the 'net. It would be so cool to see them perform, perhaps to even meet them. Currently listening to CD4 of 'i-box' while I crank out working drawings for a commercial project. Ooops, better get back to work! Forever optimistic, James Horecka, AIA, Architect jhorecka@p... http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka DataCAD Roundhouse: http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka/DCADLinks.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26037 Re: TD USA? Totta Wed 2/14/2001 4 KB 26038 Re: TD USA? Heiko Heerssen Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB 26049 SV: [tadream] TD USA? Pergamon Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB 26041 Re: TD USA? Joe Shoults Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB 26042 Re: TD USA? TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB 26063 Re: TD USA? Scott Thu 2/15/2001 3 KB 26118 Re: TD USA? Patrik . Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs I have had a considerable amount of experience dealing with PDO (now UML -- Universal Music Limited) over the question of bronzed discs. As Rolf Elfstrvm has stated, if the date on the disc label is between (about) 1988 and 1993 and the words 'Made in UK by PDO' are seen around the centre hole, I would suggest attempting replacement. Discs pressed by PDO in other countries (e.g. W. Germany) are NOT involved. However, it seems that the company has now changed its policy in that in recent times I have been asked to return all the original discs I have ever had replaced (dealing with someone who has now retired, I was originally told that I could destroy them, but I never did) BEFORE they would send me others -- so it would seem that perhaps some customers have tried to pull the wool over its eyes and get free discs from the company, so be warned! Most of my Virgin years TD were pressed by Nimbus -- indeed, I haven't got any TD pressed by PDO in the UK. (Mine were all classical on the Hyperion, ASV, Albany, Unicorn-Kanchana and BBC Music labels). ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tom george' To: Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Bronzing CDs > why burn cdrs off them when the link that Rolf > provided clearly states that PDO will replace all > defective discs up to 20 years after they were > pressed? > tom > -- > > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:59:12 > Antonio Nunes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Rolf Elfstrvm wrote: > > >> > > >> Yes, it's aluminum and it's oxidizing. This is a problem mostly > > >> found on CDs pressed at the Philips & Du Pont Optical UK Ltd (PDO) > > >> between 1988 and 1993. The lacquer used to cover the aluminum > > >> cannot withstand the sulphur in the paper of the booklet. > > >> (...) > > >> Most of these disc (but not all) are labeled 'Made in UK by PDO' > > >> near the center hole... > > > > > > > > >Thanks for the info, Rolf. My copy of White Eagle (CDV2226) is labeled > > >'Made in U.K. by PDO' and actually it looks very suspicious, its colour > > >is almost as if it was a golden CD. Curiously the golden tinge is very > > >uniform, unlike Geir's Rubycon. Anyway, it's backup time! > > > > > >Antonio Nunes > > > > > > > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > > >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > > > > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > > > > Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. > FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all Hear! Hear! I've always considered the title track to be one of TD's most inspired creations, and the second subject is especially lovely with some great little nuances in rhythm as well. I play it a lot. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gustavo Jobim' To: Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an underrated chapter, or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. No Man's Land is one of the best examples of the mechanical sound from the Schmoelling years. Hyperborea is one of the best ever TD tracks, with those notes, or key or whatever TD didn't use to play, making it a very beautiful melancholic track, taking the listener to vast, cold places like northern Greenland or Antarctica. At least that's where I go with this music. The transition to the second part is extremely well done, and the second part gives some kind of hope to the desolation of the first part. Cinnamon Road is an okay track, one more of those 3-4-minute-radio-tracks they used to make in that period. When I play Sphinx Lightning and remember the first two tracks, for some reason I think this album is, in some level, very close to the Pink years, maybe because of the vastness of the title track and of SL. Sphinx Lightning has a magical moment that begins around 9:45 and ends around 12:45. Thinking about all parts of this track together, as if looking at a whole continent from the space, makes SL sound perfect or at least very very well done: the sparse intro, the cold soft sequenced percussion section, those magic minutes between 9:45 and 12:45, the intro to the heavier percussion with water drops sounds (great percussion) part, the heavier percussion part itself, and the majestic ending. Some of those other magical TD moments are: the Monolight tune, Force Majeure 6:45-9:something, somewhere in the middle of the first half of the Brussels Jensen University 1976 concert (found in the Danger Live boo**** :), and many others. It was a delight when I discovered the origin of that harpsi(chord)² - the harpsichord chord - because it was one of the first TD sounds I had ever heard (Extracts from Poland and White Eagle were my first TD albums). I think anyone who hasn't heard Hyperborea yet should look for it, it's worth buying. It's almost as good as White Eagle. Maybe what makes White Eagle sound better than Hyperborea is the more sequencey style of WE, or maybe that froesian track (Convention of the 24), or the vastness of Hyperb., or all that. If I had to give Hyperb. a grade, between 0 and 10, it would be 7.5. White Eagle would get 8.5. Cyclone would get 6.5. Goblins' Club would get 4. Tyranny of Beauty, 5. Phaedra, 9. Tangram, something between 9.5 and 10.3. Stratosfear, something between 9.5 and 10.3 Force Majeure, 9.5. Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26034 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all PENFOLD Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:35 am Subject: OT: Techno??? After suffering from the proliferation of Techno playing camps at Burning Man 1999, especially one on the outskirts of the village I was camping in (they powered down at 5:30AM), somebody made the observation that from a distance, Techno is virtually indistinguishable from the sound of boots in a dryer. In fact, a guy from another village actually made a recording of boots in the dryer and played it on one of the radio stations! As for Trance, it's much more tolerable. But when it runs at an obscene volume until 7:30am less than 100' from your tent (Black Rock Space Port at Burning Man 2000) it's enough to make Mother Teresa do some ultra-violence! What did our village (Gigsville) do? We waited until ~11:30am and went into their camp space with bullhorns, air raid sirens, drums, banged on pots and pans, and my 12' GONG! After rudely waking them up, we let them fall back asleep and repeated the performance 45 minutes later. Their camp was quiet that evening. Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all At 01.02.14 16:34, John Marchington wrote: >Hear! Hear! I've always considered the title track to be one of TD's most >inspired creations, and the second subject is especially lovely with some >great little nuances in rhythm as well. I play it a lot. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'Gustavo Jobim' >To: >Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 12:29 PM >Subject: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all > > >I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an underrated >chapter, or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. > >No Man's Land is one of the best examples of the mechanical sound from the >Schmoelling years. This album's one of my faves as well. I even like the Tangentized version of _No Man's Land_ The title and the eastern rhythms evoke images of the desert, which is one reason DJ DreamHead includes it on his play list when spinning at one of the radio stations at the Burning Man festival Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: Victor Rek Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI update Gary Jenkins wrote: > > Hi all just to let you know tdi have confirmed SBE gig at last and are > planning a tour of the USA june/july dates to be confirmed. > cheers Gary. To be more specific, TDI told me that the unconfirmed dates should be at the end of June through early July. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26040 Re: TDI update C. Chambers Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 5:54 pm Subject: re: Re: Bronzing CDs Yes, it's true. I contacted PDO, gave them all my info - all the numbers in the CD and my address - and they've sent me 2 or 3 emails saying they've already ordered a new CDV2226 (White Eagle) for me and that they'll send it to me ASAP. All you have to do is contact patburnshelpline@c..., ask for a new copy and give them your info. I'm 98% sure about the address, but you can confirm it on the Hyperion Records site, which can be found following a link in that page provided by Rolf. ---- From: 'tom george' why burn cdrs off them when the link that Rolf provided clearly states that PDO will replace all defective discs up to 20 years after they were pressed? tom -- From: Totta Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 11:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD USA? SWEDEN... Why cant whey came to sweden, ist a nice country, and they never have been here, buhubhu Totta 'James Horecka, AIA' wrote: > Is this true? TD is planning a tour to the USA???? (per Gary Jenkins). > > Y E S S S S S S S S S S S SS S S S S S S! That would be 'most excellent!' > > Sheesh, even though I am a gray-haired adult, I actually have DREAMS about > attending a Tangerine Dream concert! Pretty scary, eh? > > If TD tours the US of A, I will BE THERE! Hopefully some Western venues.... > Heck, if they were to play at more than one western venue, I might be > inspired to attend multiple events. That would be wild. > > I got a stack of TD CD's several feet long (well over a hundred + items > now), listening to it day in and day out. I drive my wife and daughter > crazy. > > Talk about crazy, with the Internet, ListServ, videos, etc., I almost feel > like I 'know' these guys. Gotta luv the 'net. It would be so cool to see > them perform, perhaps to even meet them. > > Currently listening to CD4 of 'i-box' while I crank out working drawings for > a commercial project. Ooops, better get back to work! > > Forever optimistic, > > James Horecka, AIA, Architect > jhorecka@p... http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka > DataCAD Roundhouse: http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka/DCADLinks.html > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 11:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD USA? Totta schrieb: > SWEDEN... Why cant whey came to sweden, ist a nice country, and they never have been here, buhubhu Germany 12 points, Sweden 0 points! hehe... ;-))))) But it's true, TD seem to have quite a lot of fans throughout whole Scandinavia but so far there hasn't been any single concert there. Shame on 'em! Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26049 SV: [tadream] TD USA? Pergamon Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:22 pm Subject: Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all --- In tadream@y..., Gustavo Jobim wrote: > I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an underrated chapter, or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. > > No Man's Land is one of the best examples of the mechanical sound from the Schmoelling years. > generally an ultimative track! This or Ravi Shankar focusses all cosmic energies in my living room! armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26044 Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all Gary Jenkins Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 4:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI update > Gary Jenkins wrote: > > > > Hi all just to let you know tdi have confirmed SBE gig at last and are > > planning a tour of the USA june/july dates to be confirmed. > > cheers Gary. > > To be more specific, TDI told me that the unconfirmed dates should be at > the end of June through early July. > > Vic Atlanta?? Didn't someone float that rumor a while back? I know you would have asked :-) From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD USA? yes, if a USA tour pans out, I'll be there certainly, too, but I hope the info comes soon, so I have time to save $$ and plan a trip, as I'll be lucky if they come here to Cleveland. Although Cleveland is typically a no-miss market for most bands and genres, I'm only guessing (hoping I'm wrong), but they will probably only play the coasts. I'm sure they will shoot for the markets they think will fill the seats. but they seem to have done pretty well in Cleveland in the past, judging from the attendance I saw in '92, '88 and '86. But I wouldn't hold yer breath waiting for them to play Cloudburst Flight or anything. In 1992, I had not kept up with their new releases and was quite surprised at the Rockoon-based material, indeed dismayed as I had MY head in the past. But I'm sure we'll get plenty of heads-up from the Shepherd's Bush show. BTW, what does it mean 'There is a 10:15 p.m. curfew on the show'? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: James Horecka, AIA [mailto:jhorecka@p...] > Is this true? TD is planning a tour to the USA???? (per Gary Jenkins). > Y E S S S S S S S S S S S SS S S S S S S! That would be 'most > excellent!' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26042 Re: TD USA? TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Wed 2/14/2001 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 3:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD USA? At 10:23 14.02.01 , you wrote: >yes, if a USA tour pans out, I'll be there certainly, too, but I hope the >info comes soon, so I have time to save $$ and plan a trip, as I'll be lucky >if they come here to Cleveland. Although Cleveland is typically a no-miss >market for most bands and genres, I'm only guessing (hoping I'm wrong), but >they will probably only play the coasts. I'm sure they will shoot for the >markets they think will fill the seats. but they seem to have done pretty >well in Cleveland in the past, judging from the attendance I saw in '92, '88 >and '86. > >But I wouldn't hold yer breath waiting for them to play Cloudburst Flight or >anything. In 1992, I had not kept up with their new releases and was quite >surprised at the Rockoon-based material, indeed dismayed as I had MY head in >the past. But I'm sure we'll get plenty of heads-up from the Shepherd's >Bush show. BTW, what does it mean 'There is a 10:15 p.m. curfew on the >show'? > >Joe Dear Joe and list, to clear this confusion up - in case of the Shepherds Bush show on May 12th the '10:15 pm curfew' means that the show must be over by that time, i.e. all music will have to stop then and the crowd will have to leave the venue. Best regards, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 8:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Dance shite (was 'A new audience for TD?') >From: Jared White > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...] > > > > In a message dated 2/11/01 2:25:57 AM, jwhite@s... writes: > > > > >Most modern 'dance' 'music' is utter shite, and this whole > > >'TDJ Rome' thing is starting to scare the bejeezus out of me. > > > > Well, sure, most of it is in fact shite--not that that somehow > > distinguishes > > it from any other genre. But if only *most* of it is bad, that > > would still > > mean that some of it is good. If Jerome does indeed go all-out with the > > techno thing as Sean suggested, there's no reason to just assume > > it'll turn > > out badly. Wait until you hear it; then decide if you like it. :) > >Well, I've already heard the TDJ Rome MP3's on the Ground Liftaz Web site, >and, though I realize they're short and don't give you much, they're enough >to show me that Jerome's already gone 'all-out' way too much for my liking. I just listened to both samples. Let's see, Edgar doesn't to do Tangerine Dream anymore, and Jerome doesn't have the desire or foundation to do EITHER Tangerine Dream OR fresh dance music. Time to pull the plug now? -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 7:04 pm Subject: Re: Hyper-not-boring-at-all --- In tadream@y..., 'Armin Theissen' wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > I'm playing Hyperborea today, and I have to say, this is an > underrated chapter, or at least it seems to be, in TD's discography. > > > > No Man's Land is one of the best examples of the mechanical sound > from the Schmoelling years. > > > Hi as shown on my email address Hyperborea the track is one of my all time favourite tracks no mans land and cinnamon road are also great my only problem is sphinx lightning which i feel starts of promising but does not live up to that promise perhaps i was hoping for another mojave plan. Cheers Gary > > > > > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 7:12 pm Subject: TD's Eclecticism On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:59:15 -0600 'Feldon Feldon' writes: >[. . .] Let's see, Edgar doesn't to do Tangerine Dream anymore, >and Jerome doesn't have the desire or foundation to do EITHER >Tangerine Dream OR fresh dance music. > > Time to pull the plug now? Why? There are an awful lot of people who complain about when a band is in a rut, churning out the same thing year after year, and here our fave band is pretty much doing everything *but* that -- so I myself am more greatful than grumpy about their eclecticism. What other band would put out records like MARS POLARIS, THE SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET, and THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA all in the span of two years? > -Morgan MY E-MAIL Steven Feldman INTERESTS: kung fu films, SECONDARY E-MAIL music by Tangerine Dream, MY WEB SITE http://members.spree.com/molasar/ UFO abduction literature, EBAY http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ and transgenderal issues. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: djpinky420@h... Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 8:42 pm Subject: Remember the Orb?? Hey Guys!! I'm a big TD fan and I also really dig the Orb. Remember Danny Tenaglia's remix of Little Fluffy Clouds? I wonder what he's gonna remix off of Cydonia, their new album coming out Feb. 26. I think y'all should check it out cause I know I'm going to. peese. =) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26047 Re: Remember the Orb?? Joe Shoults Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB 26050 SV: [tadream] Remember the Orb?? Pergamon Wed 2/14/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 9:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Remember the Orb?? wasn't he the host of 'Dance Fever'? > -----Original Message----- > From: djpinky420@h... [mailto:djpinky420@h...] > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 3:43 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Remember the Orb?? > > > Remember > Danny Tenaglia's remix From: 'tom george' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 10:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deborah Johnson sorry for the private post to the list but i have fatal email problems ever since Lycos took over Angelfire. i try to access mail from 9 days ago and it tells me they are no longer there even though i can read the headers. so would Deborah please repost your email to me entitled 'TD East Tennessee Roaming' dated 2/5/01 and any others you may have written to my hotmail address. thank you. eloyusa30@h... Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 11:05 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] TD USA? Germany 12 points, Sweden 0 points! hehe... ;-))))) But it's true, TD seem to have quite a lot of fans throughout whole Scandinavia but so far there hasn't been any single concert there. Shame on 'em! Heiko Couldn't agree with you more. Apparently TD does not feel the need to enlighten their fans in Scandinavia with performances here. There are several good places for a performance in both Denmark and Sweden. Shame on you TD. Jan From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 11:15 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Remember the Orb?? From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 14, 2001 11:42 pm Subject: latest word on TD USA 2001 Tour '...things are looking very good that this tour will indeed take place' * 14-15 dates (it is not yet clear if any venues will have multiple dates) * late June, early July * handled by ICM management (a major entertainment agency) however, it is too early to confirm anything, so don't get yer panties in a bunch just yet! ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26052 Re: latest word on TD USA 2001 Tour Dave Brewer Thu 2/15/2001 3 KB From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 4:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] latest word on TD USA 2001 Tour Arrrgh! They're starting to bunch up! I have seen TD live once, back in '92 in Scottsdale. I was looking forward to this possible upcoming tour and then I realized, I'm going to be in L.A. for this year's Anime Expo July 4-8. If they're coming to Arizona for this tour, it better not be during that time! If they're in L.A. during that time, I may have to catch a cab or something over to the concert! Maybe hook up with someone there?? Returning to lurk mode... Dave B. (looking forward to Okefenokee 2001) -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shoults To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 4:44 PM Subject: [tadream] latest word on TD USA 2001 Tour >'...things are looking very good that this tour will indeed take place' > >* 14-15 dates (it is not yet clear if any venues will have multiple dates) >* late June, early July >* handled by ICM management (a major entertainment agency) > >however, it is too early to confirm anything, so don't get yer panties in a >bunch just yet! >;-) > From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 5:53 am Subject: Klaus Schulze Wanted Would anyone here who has the Klaus Schulze Sound sample disc like the one Groove just auctioned please contact me OFFLIST regarding getting a CDR copy of this disc. PLEASE. THE HIGHLANDER aka Robert email: hghlndr@t... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26054 Re: Klaus Schulze Wanted Kees Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB 26055 Re: Klaus Schulze Wanted Robert Grabowsky Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB From: Kees Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 12:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Wanted At 00:53 15/02/2001 -0500, you wrote: > Would anyone here who has the Klaus Schulze Sound sample disc like the >one Groove just auctioned please contact me OFFLIST regarding getting a CDR >copy of this disc. PLEASE. Sorry but I must correct you. We do NOT auction this disc! We RAFFLE a copy between people who bought/buy something in the period Jan 15 - Feb 15 2001. So today's the last day to participate. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26055 Re: Klaus Schulze Wanted Robert Grabowsky Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 12:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze Wanted The CD I am looking for is called THE COLLECTION it is a sound library CD. THE HIGHLANDER From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 2:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Hyper-not-boring-at-all Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > It was a delight when I discovered the origin of that harpsi(chord)² > - the harpsichord chord - because it was one of the first TD sounds > I had ever heard My PC plays this particular chord at Windows startup, instead of the Brian Eno tune. The same chord was also used by Paul Lawler (oops, I mean Arcane :-)) on the track 'The visible empty man' - album Future Wreck. The first time I heard this track, I was playing the CD on my PC. When the Sphynx Lightning chord strikes for the first time, I thought: why is my PC playing the startup sound together with the CD?! Then the chord strikes again, and at that time I was convinced that my PC was completely mad :-) But finally I realized that the chord was part of 'The visible empty man', and now that track is my favourite of that album. Hyperborea fans should listen to Future Wreck and particularly to the aforementioned track. It's a very 'striking' experience! Antonio Nunes np: Arcane - Alterstill From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 3:13 pm Subject: OT: mail footer links After we stop running the footer link for Dreamwatcher's Tales (below), I'm thinking it would be good to run rotating links to the individual artists' sites/info. If you want to be included in the rotation, click here: mailto:tadream-owner@y...?subject=include in footer rotati on If you reply, I'll also make sure your info is updated on the musos page (http://www.tadream.net/musos), so you can include any additional info for that page too if you want. Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26061 Re: OT: mail footer links Joe Shoults Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 3:25 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again i have 'Rushes' and i like it alot. i have heard rumors of it being McCartney but it sure doesn't mention it anywhere in the package. it does look like his daughter 'Stella' that is naked under the disc. there are 2 more copies of this collecting dust at my local 'Best Buy'. if anyone wants me to secure them a copy let me know at: eloyusa30@h... -- On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:46:11 Sean Montgomery wrote: > > >'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' wrote: > >> > However check out the The Fireman release called 'Rushes' >> > which is indeed Mr McCartney and totally chilled ambient >> > effort and rather good (IMO)..... but lightmonths away from TD and >> > Kraftwerk. >> >> Isnt there a second Fireman release as well? Maybe that sounds more like TD >> or KW? > >Actually, Rushes *is* the second Fireman release. I can't remember the exact name of the first album, but it had the word 'Strawberry' in it, if I'm not mistaken. Rushes is >pretty cool. A bit like Eno's 'Apollo', with its addition of acoustic guitar. Very laid-back. > > >-- >SEAN MONTGOMERY > >T O P I X / Mad Dog >http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 3:45 pm Subject: Arcane /Max Richter new stuff Hi , I`ve uploaded the first track in my guise as Max Richter to the Arcane page . The track is called 'The House of Visual Transference ' I would welcome all comments good or bad (oh no Jareds not on list anymore is he ) as they will shape the rest of the album Hope you all like it . Click the link below . Paul http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26062 Re: Arcane /Max Richter new stuff lawlermusic Thu 2/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 3:55 pm Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] McCartney Connection again tom george > i have 'Rushes' and i like it alot. i have heard > rumors of it being McCartney but it sure doesn't > mention it anywhere in the package. It is pretty much confirmed that Paul is the Fireman. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.folkvord.net/reviewtalk www.egroups.com/group/pspusers From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 3:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: mail footer links oops- I put an extra 'o' in the e-mail link (thanks j.gordon) use this one instead: mailto:tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com?subject=include in footer rotatio n > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...] > sites/info. If you want to be included in the rotation, click here: > mailto:tadream-owner@y...?subject=include in f From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Arcane /Max Richter new stuff Just been told the track has two gliches on it 5.21 and 5.40 ish , I`ll try and upload another version of it later on .Bloody MP3s http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- From: 'Scott' Date: Thu Feb 15, 2001 9:52 pm Subject: Re: TD USA? >Is this true? TD is planning a tour to the USA???? (per Gary Jenkins). >Y E S S S S S S S S S S S SS S S S S S S! That would be 'most excellent!' >Sheesh, even though I am a gray-haired adult, I actually have DREAMS about >attending a Tangerine Dream concert! Pretty scary, eh? >If TD tours the US of A, I will BE THERE! Hopefully some Western venues.... >Heck, if they were to play at more than one western venue, I might be >inspired to attend multiple events. That would be wild. Given their obvious liking of the American West, I think they'll definitely head out there, but still, until you have a ticket in your hand, no, until they take the stage, don't hold your breath. We've been through this before! About your dreams, all I can say is, now you know how your daughter feels about N'Sync! :-) I just hope that there will be tapers at each of the venues. Scott From: joe@t... Date: Fri Feb 16, 2001 10:32 am Subject: Real Dream Encores Hi-hoo! At this very moment enjoying 'the real dream encores'. Thanks Rolf! ;-) - Who can supply the cover/booklet? / Johan, sthlm.se :) From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri Feb 16, 2001 11:04 am Subject: Max Richter MP3 Right , there is a new version up now without the dropouts , and sounding a lot clearer .God knows what happened to the first one . Try again if you will . I am looking for comments , however trivial , bad , good etc .Call it market research to try and make the album appeal to as many people as possible . I`ll be away till next thursday , but I`ll get any responses (providing there are any :! ) then Paul http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- From: Felna Greymane Date: Fri Feb 16, 2001 5:49 pm Subject: My apologies Sorry for posting this to list. Chris, email I am sending you is bouncing. The address I am replying to is 'CJ' . Thanks. Jeff Stevenson greymane@k... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Sat Feb 17, 2001 7:14 pm Subject: Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Okay, I've decided to pop up from Lurk mode again and admit that I will be going to see TD in may. Glynn, should I try and find my wonder t-shirt again? 8-) Conrad, I don't see yur name down in the list - going your own way this time. You may be the only face I remember (since we bumped into each other at Glasgow a couple of years back). Anyway, look forqward to meeting you guys in the Moon on the Green pub. BTW, did someone post some reasonably priced hotels in the area? Cheers, Craig Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26071 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Michael A Jean Sun 2/18/2001 2 KB From: 'James Williams' Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 2:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush I'll Be There, So will my mate I've not been keeping track of messages on the list the last few weeks, so apologies if this has already been covered. Are there any plans to meet up prior to the concert? James ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Craig Cordrey' To: Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 7:14 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush > > Okay, I've decided to pop up from Lurk mode again and admit that I will be > going to see TD in may. Glynn, should I try and find my wonder t-shirt > again? 8-) > > Conrad, I don't see yur name down in the list - going your own way this > time. You may be the only face I remember (since we bumped into each other > at Glasgow a couple of years back). > > Anyway, look forqward to meeting you guys in the Moon on the Green pub. > > BTW, did someone post some reasonably priced hotels in the area? > > Cheers, > Craig > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 11:29 am Subject: auction closed Hi all, the auction on my rarities page is now closed. I'll leave the results on display for a few days. Quinoa and the Rockoon single were not sold, so feel free to bid below the minimum bid - but with no obligation for me to accept it. http://www.caby.de/Rarity cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27590 auction closed Klaus Beschorner Sun 7/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 3:44 pm Subject: wants hi everyone i am after a number of rare 7' singles and a few promo cds please check out my items wanted section on my web site (URL below) i will trade vast amounts of cdrs (check out my unofficial releases list) or i will buy (no silly prices please :-) ) if any one can help me please get in touch thanks ps please sign my guest book hope to see most of you in may at the concert!!! Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 3:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Just to update folks, I was considering attending the UK show, but I just accepted a job in Washington DC, and will be packing and movng across the country in the next month or so...So the chances of flying off to the UK seem pretty slim, given all these other costs...I may also fall behind in my email...I look forward to meeting up with some East Coast TD fans some time in the future...And if a tour does materialize, hopefully I'll be able to meet up with you at a show or two... MJ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 5:42 pm Subject: Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Hello everyone, I've just noticed a baby sound in Coefficient of Aural Expansion (a.k.a. Ruby in the Sky), London 9/4/75 - or is it 4/9/75? - exactly on the first cd-long track, at 48:12. Do you hear the same thing? So that makes Jerome a TD member since 75... But back then he was the singer :) Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26114 Re: Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Phil Wingfield Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 36860 Underground VCD news by Rainer ! Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Mon 10/28/2002 2 KB 26119 Re: Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Feldon Feldon Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 26123 Re: Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Antonio Nunes Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 4:10 am Subject: 'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... Hi gang, Germany's monthly paper 'musikexpress' (issue #2/2001, February) has asked 'experts' (mostly journalists) and issued a poll of the 50 'best' Germanrock records which 'made history'. Among them, on rank #32 (between Die Fantastischen Vier: 'Die vierte Dimension' and Amon Düül II: 'Phallu Dei'): TD's 'Phaedra'. The album is 'a milestone of electronic music, the founder of a new genre', the magazine found out. 'For Tangerine Dream, this meant the initial starting of a still lasting international carreer.' Besides the lines about the LP, the magazine printed a short (!) interview with Edgar Froese, saying: 'It was absolutely impossible at that time to calculate with such a success (rank #8 in the British charts 1974), beecause there was no relative scale for such a kind of music', and: 'We feel confirmed that a kind of music which had been laughed at then has turned into a really serious part of music history today.' Some other ranks: 1. Kaftwerk: Autobahn 2. Can: Monster Movie 3. Trio: Trio ('Da da da') 4. Ton Steine Scherben: Keine Macht für niemand 5. Fehlfarben: Monarchie und Alltag 6. Nina Hagen Band: same 7. Neu!: same 8. Ideal: same 9. Can: Tago Mago 10. Udo Lindenberg: Alles klar auf der Andrea Doria ... 15. Kaftwerk: Trans Europa Express 22. Kaftwerk: Die Mensch-Maschine 25. Can: Ege Bamyasi 28. Kraftwerk: same 29. Faust: Faust 34. Kraftwerk: Computerwelt 35. Karlheinz Stockhausen: Kontakte 37. Scorpions: Lovedrive 44. Neu!: Neu 2 45. BAP: Für Usszeschnigge (Seems they have asked the Kraftwerk fanclub to act as jury... ;-) ) Greetings, Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26081 'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... Whiteley, Steve Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB 26088 Re: 'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... Victor Rek Tue 2/20/2001 2 KB 26105 Re: 'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... Armin Theissen Wed 2/21/2001 4 KB From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 9:44 am Subject: please have a look hi everyone this is the list of items i need to (almost) complete my collection Compact Disc Singles Desert Train (Promo Cd) Cat Scan (Promo Cd) Goblins Club (US Promo CD on Sequel records) Heartbreakers (Virgin Records CD) 7 Inch Singles Monolight/Cherokee Lane 7' Monolight/Desert Dream 7' Monolight pt II/Coldwater Canyon pt II 7' Flashoint /Going West 7' Excerpts from Force Majeure 7' Cinnamon Road/Hyperborea 7' Excerpts from Ricochet/Same 7' Promo Extracts from Rubycon/Same 7' Promo Betrayal/Search 7' Grind/Grind 7' Grind/Betrayal 7' Grind/Impression of Sorcerer 7' Stratosfear/The Big Sleep in Search of Hades 7'(not the DJ Promo) Beach Theme/Burning Bar 7' Promo Lady Green Grass/Love of Mine 7' (The Ones) Love on a real train/Guido the killer pimp 7'' promo 12 Inch Singles Alexander Sq/Berlin Summer Nights/Alexander Sq. Lp Version 12' Flashpoint/Going West 12' if anyone can help please email me off list thanks in advance Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Quichotte' Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 11:36 am Subject: OT - The House of Visual Trans Hi all, Does anybody have Paul Lawler's new composition The House of Visual Trans, as available on mp3.com, somewhere on a serwer in Europe. I have been trying to download it from mp3.com but I'm not getting anywhere - the transfer rate is too slow. Would much appreciate all guidance I can get at quichotte@p... Best regards Michael Sopot, Poland -- From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 3:38 pm Subject: OT - redshift? I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I downloaded some stuff off Napster that has a female vocalist: Splashdown--Redshift--04-Waterbead.mp3 SubMethod - 03 - Redshift.mp3 Splashdown - Ironspy - Redshift EP.mp3 Splashdown - A Charming Spell - Redshift EP.mp3 Splashdown - Redshift EP - 03 - Mayan Pilot.mp3 Redshift II - 1. A Midnight Clear.mp3 I like it a lot. Is the Redshift I hear of from time to time on this list? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26077 Re: OT - redshift? Rainer Rutka Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB 26078 Re: OT - redshift? Joe Shoults Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB 26079 Re: OT - redshift? Gary Jenkins Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB 26080 Re: OT - redshift? Sean Montgomery Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB 26082 Re: OT - redshift? Synthhtnys@a... Mon 2/19/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 3:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - redshift? On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Joe Shoults wrote: > I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I downloaded some stuff > off Napster that has a female vocalist: > Redshift II - 1. A Midnight Clear.mp3 This is the original Redshift. A MUST-HAVE RECORD!!!! If you like 70ies TD - you'll love(!) the 2nd Restshift CD (and the first and third, too). You can get it by Groove (www.groove.nl)! > I like it a lot. :-)) Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 4:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - redshift? nevermind. I just found lots of Splashdown and the SubMethod was definitley not what I thought it was! > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...] > I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I > downloaded some stuff > off Napster that has a female vocalist: > > Splashdown--Redshift--04-Waterbead.mp3 > SubMethod - 03 - Redshift.mp3 > Splashdown - Ironspy - Redshift EP.mp3 > Splashdown... From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 4:24 pm Subject: Re: OT - redshift? --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I downloaded some stuff > off Napster that has a female vocalist: > > Splashdown--Redshift--04-Waterbead.mp3 > SubMethod - 03 - Redshift.mp3 > Splashdown - Ironspy - Redshift EP.mp3 > Splashdown - A Charming Spell - Redshift EP.mp3 > Splashdown - Redshift EP - 03 - Mayan Pilot.mp3 > Redshift II - 1. A Midnight Clear.mp3 > > I like it a lot. > > Is the Redshift I hear of from time to time on this list? Hi Joe certainly A midnight clear is from there album Ether not aware of the other tracks or use of vocals. Cheers Gary From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - redshift? In the case of the files with the word 'Splashdown', Redshift is the name of the album. Splashdown is the band. They have a Cocteau Twins-like kind of sound. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 6:27 pm Subject: RE:'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... 37. Scorpions: Lovedrive my first rock poster, I need to get the CD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 9:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - redshift? I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I downloaded some stuff off Napster that has a female vocalist: Splashdown--Redshift--04-Waterbead.mp3 SubMethod - 03 - Redshift.mp3 Splashdown - Ironspy - Redshift EP.mp3 Splashdown - A Charming Spell - Redshift EP.mp3 Splashdown - Redshift EP - 03 - Mayan Pilot.mp3 Redshift II - 1. A Midnight Clear.mp3 I like it a lot. Is the Redshift I hear of from time to time on this list? *(?) I don't think so.... There's no female vocalist... AFAIK. Although now that I think of it they do have a new album coming out soon. This could be a new change. But I doubt it..... does it sound like Rubycon? ;-) Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 10:49 pm Subject: RE: Broken Link...? nope. wish I did. what I have I think I obtained from Klaus, but I don't remember. Does anybody else have any other archives than what we have at http://tadream.net/archives/ ? Thanks, Joe > -----Original Message----- > I note you have 1990-1994... do you have any of the more > recent archives > from the UWP list, or weren't there any... I think I have > most of volume 15 > and 16 (not sure which dates they cover though....) > From: 'kayleigh' Date: Sun Feb 18, 2001 12:46 am Subject: questions about touring information Hey there all. Just wanted to post a quick note about touring. I was told yesterday/today there is serious word of TD touring in the United States this coming SUMMER? Having been a huge huge fan of their music for years, this would be absolutely fabulous and amazing, BUT where is the best location/place to find the most updated tour information, including venues, etc? thanks for anyone's help. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse - LIVE ONLINE! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrock.musicpage.com AND TheTradingCircle@E... AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205) MSN Messenger: seasonsend97@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26085 Re: questions about touring information Feldon Feldon Tue 2/20/2001 3 KB 26086 Soundmill Navigator Steve Tue 2/20/2001 2 KB 26090 SV: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator Pergamon Tue 2/20/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 11:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] questions about touring information Here, or www.tadream.de From: 'kayleigh' Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com To: 'Tangerine Dream List' CC: 'TangerineDream' Subject: [tadream] questions about touring information Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:46:33 -0500 Hey there all. Just wanted to post a quick note about touring. I was told yesterday/today there is serious word of TD touring in the United States this coming SUMMER? Having been a huge huge fan of their music for years, this would be absolutely fabulous and amazing, BUT where is the best location/place to find the most updated tour information, including venues, etc? thanks for anyone's help. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse - LIVE ONLINE! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrock.musicpage.com AND TheTradingCircle@E... AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205) MSN Messenger: seasonsend97@h... Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Steve' Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 12:02 am Subject: Soundmill Navigator I loved the official release, despite others' reservations about it, and recently heard the original version, which I also loved. But what I couldn't stand with the official version was the cover art! I was playing yesterday and came up with this image... http://www.craftman.co.uk/2001/1/sn.htm Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26090 SV: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator Pergamon Tue 2/20/2001 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 3:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Red Shift Red Shift's 'Ether' CD has two *absolutely* phenomenal tracks, 'A Midnight Clear' and 'Ether'! Those two tracks are just totally awesome!!! And coming in at over fifty minutes worth just on those two tracks too. Must have been one helluva sight to see Shreeve at war with and get the best of his big moog! Sorry, but 'Rubycon' can't even hold a candle imo. Not that it's bad, but very few can. But 'Pergamon' is one that does come to my mind though. Paul Lawler's 'Gather Darkness' CD has a very nice 1-2 punch in the tracks 'Dystopian Fictions' and 'Gather Darkness'. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - redshift? > I've heard about Redshift, but never heard them, so I downloaded some stuff > off Napster that has a female vocalist: > Splashdown--Redshift--04-Waterbead.mp3 > SubMethod - 03 - Redshift.mp3 > Splashdown - Ironspy - Redshift EP.mp3 > Splashdown - A Charming Spell - Redshift EP.mp3 > Splashdown - Redshift EP - 03 - Mayan Pilot.mp3 > Redshift II - 1. A Midnight Clear.mp3 > I like it a lot. > Is the Redshift I hear of from time to time on this list? > > *(?) I don't think so.... There's no female vocalist... AFAIK. > Although now that I think of it they do have a new album coming out soon. > This could be a new change. > But I doubt it..... does it sound like Rubycon? ;-) > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26094 Re: Red Shift Marcel Engels Tue 2/20/2001 3 KB From: Victor Rek Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 4:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE:'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... By the way, was there ever a concert played on the John Peel show to support the Phaedra tour? I heard a rumor. Vic From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 7:51 am Subject: Just when you think you have everything... ...along comes a white label promo 1967 single of 'Lady Greengrass/Love of mine' by THE ONES. The line-up included a young guitar player whose name was Edgar Froese.... :-) You can see my 3-day auction at the following URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1411535140 Be there or be square ~lol~ Heiko From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:35 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator Hello Steve Well I actually liked the official releasecover, but I really like your image. Nice work. Jan -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Steve [mailto:steve@c...] Sendt: 20. februar 2001 01:03 Til: tadream@yahoogroups.com Emne: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator I loved the official release, despite others' reservations about it, and recently heard the original version, which I also loved. But what I couldn't stand with the official version was the cover art! I was playing yesterday and came up with this image... http://www.craftman.co.uk/2001/1/sn.htm Steve http://www.craftman.co.uk http://www.rotties-r-us.co.uk Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 10:05 am Subject: Re: Broken Link > nope. wish I did. what I have I think I obtained from Klaus, but I don't > remember. > > Does anybody else have any other archives than what we have at > http://tadream.net/archives/ ? I have the complete archives of the tadream@u... mailing lists. They are rather monstrous, and the format is one Netscape mail folder per year. They can be read ok with a simple text editor, and imported into Outlook etc. , but would have to be split up into monthly chunks to fit the existing format. Anyone care, let me know. klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26095 Re: Broken Link Robert Grabowsky Tue 2/20/2001 2 KB From: Glynn Naughton Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 3:52 pm Subject: Two TDs for the price of one Hello there, I think it was Mr.Feldman who recently posted about TD's eclecticism. I have a suspicion that TD has now almost become a vehicle for two solo musicians to share alternately. Edgar once said that they used to ascribe each composition to all band members for simplicity, even though one (or more) of the members might not have contributed anything (and I think most of us are pretty adept at picking out the de facto Johannes solo tracks or whatever from various albums). I'm almost tempted to believe that they've extended this approach to whole albums. 'Hey, dad,' sez Jerome, 'can I borrow the keys to TD to make a techno album?' The result is _Dream Mixes 3_. 'Jerome, I need TD back to do some classical stuff,' sez Edgar later, and out pops _Star Trooper_. Who knows whether this is the case, but it seems that Edgar and Jerome are so divergent musically that I find it hard to imagine them co-existing in a traditional partnership. I get the feeling that Jerome isn't remotely interested in Edgar's pseudo-classical leanings, and, equally, I find it hard to credit that a going-on-57-year-old man could have any warmth for drum'n'bass or breakbeats. It wouldn't surprise me if TD albums now feature no contribution whatsoever from the 'other' member. This is not a criticism, just some speculation on what I think might be going on behind the scenes. Sound reasonable? Glynn BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their albums some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of nature... 'I'm a romantic adventurer And you're a reptile too. But it don't make no difference Cos I ain't gonna be easy, easy, The only time I'm gonna be easy's when I'm Killed by death.' Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26093 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Richard Tue 2/20/2001 3 KB 26144 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Roger Hartopp Fri 2/23/2001 2 KB 26096 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Sean Montgomery Tue 2/20/2001 4 KB 26111 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Erik Sanborn Wed 2/21/2001 5 KB 26121 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Joe Shoults Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB From: Richard Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >I think it was Mr.Feldman who recently posted about TD's eclecticism. I have >a suspicion that TD has now almost become a vehicle for two solo musicians >to share alternately. Edgar once said that they used to ascribe each >composition to all band members for simplicity, even though one (or more) of >the members might not have contributed anything (and I think most of us are >pretty adept at picking out the de facto Johannes solo tracks or whatever >from various albums). I'm almost tempted to believe that they've extended >this approach to whole albums. 'Hey, dad,' sez Jerome, 'can I borrow the >keys to TD to make a techno album?' The result is _Dream Mixes 3_. 'Jerome, >I need TD back to do some classical stuff,' sez Edgar later, and out pops >_Star Trooper_. > >Who knows whether this is the case, but it seems that Edgar and Jerome are >so divergent musically that I find it hard to imagine them co-existing in a >traditional partnership. I get the feeling that Jerome isn't remotely >interested in Edgar's pseudo-classical leanings, and, equally, I find it >hard to credit that a going-on-57-year-old man could have any warmth for >drum'n'bass or breakbeats. It wouldn't surprise me if TD albums now feature >no contribution whatsoever from the 'other' member. > >This is not a criticism, just some speculation on what I think might be >going on behind the scenes. Sound reasonable? Very much. It sounds very feasible. - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOpKVhjBWmWbUzpzAEQLJDgCffNwSocVGSKs9ocHJqn0zGN3K5DwAoJFi uMwJ83GC0XRyZ09KgAJb7MGq =xMnG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26144 Re: Two TDs for the price of one Roger Hartopp Fri 2/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 4:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Red Shift > From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...] > > Red Shift's 'Ether' CD has two *absolutely* phenomenal tracks, 'A Midnight > Clear' and 'Ether'! Those two tracks are just totally awesome!!! > And coming > in at over fifty minutes worth just on those two tracks too. Must > have been > one helluva sight to see Shreeve at war with and get the best of his big > moog! Sorry, but 'Rubycon' can't even hold a candle imo. Not that > it's bad, > but very few can. But 'Pergamon' is one that does come to my mind though. > Paul Lawler's 'Gather Darkness' CD has a very nice 1-2 punch in the tracks > 'Dystopian Fictions' and 'Gather Darkness'. I agree that RedShift's music is great to listen too. I enjoy it very much too and luckily I saw him/them at the Alfa Centauri festival. But for me Rubycon (and most other TD albums from that period) is something different...and Mark doesn't even comes close. I find RedShift's (live)music a bit too 'perfect', no really strange chords. As I said, I enjoy them both but I prefer let's say Encore over Ether any time. Now, if you said something like that about Node then it's a different story. They are (imo) the only ones (and maybe one or two others) who have captured the 70s feeling. But we're not only looking for 'that' feeling right? :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Broken Link You can still access all of the information from the tadream archives of cs.uwp.edu thru: ftp://mirrors.aol.com/pub/music/artists Hope this helps you find what you are looking for. THE HIGHLANDER At 11:05 AM 2/20/01 +0100, you wrote: >> nope. wish I did. what I have I think I obtained from Klaus, but I don't >> remember. >> >> Does anybody else have any other archives than what we have at >> http://tadream.net/archives/ ? > >I have the complete archives of the tadream@u... mailing lists. >They are rather monstrous, and the format is one Netscape mail >folder per year. > >They can be read ok with a simple text editor, and imported into >Outlook etc. , but would have to be split up into monthly chunks >to fit the existing format. > >Anyone care, let me know. > >klaus From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 6:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one Glynn Naughton wrote: > It wouldn't surprise me if TD albums now feature no contribution whatsoever from the 'other' member. I've suspected this for quite a while. Last week, I opined that the reason nothing that TD has done since the first Dream Mixes has had much of an impact on me is that Jerome has had to find some kind of common ground with Edgar, and this has led to compromise-laden music. The son is clearly preoccupied with being a dance floor maven (albeit about ten years too late to be considered 'cutting edge'), and the father's fascination with classical music is taking centre stage. Of course, there *is* common ground between the two camps. William Orbit found it last year on 'Pieces in a Modern Style'. The trance version of Barber's 'Adiago for Strings' kicked my ass soundly. But based on what Edgar did for 'Pictures at an Exhibition', 'Largo' and on Ambient Monkies, I suspect that he has something more like Tomita or Wendy Carlos in mind...and dude, that's so 1970s. And so is the title 'Starship Trooper'. I mean, far out man. Put on the Yes and spark up a doob. Mars Polaris was only partially successful at bridging the gap between the two of them...which I suspect is because they're each actually getting more orthodox in their thinking. I think the primary reason the TD name still exists at all is that it's a well known brand name in electronic music, and Jerome knows that he'd have a tough time attracting interest if he struck out on his own. The spotty attendance at his Ground Liftaz event was a good example of that. (If the posters had promised a 'Tangerine Dream' show, you can be sure it would have been a packed house.) Perhaps Edgar is just giving him a chance to develop an independent voice before handing the franchise over. To make TD a vital band again, one of the Froeses will have to go, and the survivor will have to bring in a couple of new collaborators. Either that, or the name should just be retired. They are diluting the value of their brand name by putting out so many inconsistent albums. You never know if it'll be techno-y or a bunch of slow synth washes and fake harpsichord sounds. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: kevine@c... Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: Re: [OT] Lemmy > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their albums > some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the > classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of nature... > > 'I'm a romantic adventurer > And you're a reptile too. > But it don't make no difference > Cos I ain't gonna be easy, easy, > The only time I'm gonna be easy's when I'm > Killed by death.' > > Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' 'Only way to feel the noise is when it's good and loud, So good you can't believe it screaming with the crowd. Motorhead: Overkill To this day, the opening of 'The Chase is Better than the Catch' sends shivers down my spine. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26109 Re: [OT] Lemmy Brian Stewart Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 26113 Re: [OT] Lemmy Phil Wingfield Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 26115 Re: [OT] Lemmy Phil Wingfield Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB 26127 Re: [OT] Lemmy Brian Stewart Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB From: Michael V Miller Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 6:10 pm Subject: Okefenokee Dreams Just wanted to write a quick note to you to tell you how much I really enjoyed your CD Okefenokee Dreams. I love the older Tangerine Dream sound (70's) and you captured it beautifully. I have not had the chance to hear anything else by you but I am curious. I am trying to find more like this kind of music but have not had much luck. This cd was a wonderful find. Thanks, and great job! Mike 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 2:35 am Subject: Rubycon/Red Shift I agree with most of what has been said regarding these two releases over the last day or so. I was lucky enough to be at the Jodrell Bank concert from which a lot of 'Ether' is taken, and thought, as I would expect everyone present did, that they have a fantsastic sound. And I've always felt 'Rubycon' to be TD's finest LP from the mid-70s era. What I don't agree with is the constant need to compare one LP with another. Music is far too subjective an experience to ever say that one LP is better than another. Comparisons can be drawn, certainly, but definite conclusions which place one album above another in some imagined musical strata just seems somewhat pointless and needless. Just enjoy both albums for what they are and what they represent. - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Michael V Miller Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 7:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams Opps sorry. Got sent to wrong address. I am very tired. Mike On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:10:26 -0500 Michael V Miller writes: > Just wanted to write a quick note to you to tell you how much I > really > enjoyed your CD Okefenokee Dreams. I love the older Tangerine Dream > sound (70's) and you captured it beautifully. I have not had the > chance > to hear anything else by you but I am curious. I am trying to find > more > like this kind of music but have not had much luck. This cd was a > wonderful find. Thanks, and great job! > > Mike > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia > http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm > The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this > much, > and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the > Love > of Christ. > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH% 20my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 7:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams I figured, but we appreciated the resounding approval for Marcel's CD. I don't think enough praise can be heaped upon this wonderful disc. -Morgan From: Michael V Miller Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:29:41 -0500 Opps sorry. Got sent to wrong address. I am very tired. Mike On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:10:26 -0500 Michael V Miller writes: > Just wanted to write a quick note to you to tell you how much I > really > enjoyed your CD Okefenokee Dreams. I love the older Tangerine Dream > sound (70's) and you captured it beautifully. I have not had the > chance > to hear anything else by you but I am curious. I am trying to find > more > like this kind of music but have not had much luck. This cd was a > wonderful find. Thanks, and great job! > > Mike > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia > http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm > The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this > much, > and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the > Love > of Christ. > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH% 20my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 1:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams Hello All, He may be tired, but I am old and forgetful. Would some 'Kind Soul' (Sorry, couldn't resist) please direct me to a source where I might pick up a copy of this disc. Thanks in advance. Neal > [Original Message] > From: Feldon Feldon > To: > Date: 2/20/01 2:43:47 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams > > I figured, but we appreciated the resounding approval for Marcel's CD. I > don't think enough praise can be heaped upon this wonderful disc. > > -Morgan > > From: Michael V Miller > Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:29:41 -0500 > > Opps sorry. Got sent to wrong address. > > I am very tired. > > Mike > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:10:26 -0500 Michael V Miller > writes: > > Just wanted to write a quick note to you to tell you how much I > > really > > enjoyed your CD Okefenokee Dreams. I love the older Tangerine Dream > > sound (70's) and you captured it beautifully. I have not had the > > chance > > to hear anything else by you but I am curious. I am trying to find > > more > > like this kind of music but have not had much luck. This cd was a > > wonderful find. Thanks, and great job! > > > > Mike > > > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia > > http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm > > The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this > > much, > > and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the > > Love > > of Christ. > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH% > 20my address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF > my address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia > http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm > The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, > and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love > of Christ. > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 3:43 am Subject: re:okefenokee dreams CD This is the only place I've been able to find it: http://www.groove.nl I think I'll get one, too. mike np: bowie at the beeb on deck: road to ruin (ramones) From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 7:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams Hi Neal, Try Groove Unlimited, Synth Music Direct, Backroads Music or Eurock. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Neal Frost' To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams > Hello All, > > He may be tired, but I am old and forgetful. Would some 'Kind Soul' (Sorry, > couldn't resist) please direct me to a source where I might pick up a copy > of this disc. > > Thanks in advance. > > Neal > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Feldon Feldon > > To: > > Date: 2/20/01 2:43:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams > > > > I figured, but we appreciated the resounding approval for Marcel's CD. I > > don't think enough praise can be heaped upon this wonderful disc. > > > > -Morgan > > > > From: Michael V Miller > > Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams > > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:29:41 -0500 > > > > Opps sorry. Got sent to wrong address. > > > > I am very tired. > > > > Mike > > > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:10:26 -0500 Michael V Miller > > writes: > > > Just wanted to write a quick note to you to tell you how much I > > > really > > > enjoyed your CD Okefenokee Dreams. I love the older Tangerine Dream > > > sound (70's) and you captured it beautifully. I have not had the > > > chance > > > to hear anything else by you but I am curious. I am trying to find > > > more > > > like this kind of music but have not had much luck. This cd was a > > > wonderful find. Thanks, and great job! > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia > > > http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm > > > The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this > > > much, > > > and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the > > > Love > > > of Christ. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > > > List artists, is ready for distribution! 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Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > 'I have gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, > Please keep me here.' > > > --- Neal Frost > --- strat95@e... > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:40 am Subject: Re: 'Phaedra', one of the most important ones... Hi, this is a very interesting list. I'd like to see the full one. Always amazing is how Karlheinz Stockhausen makes it there. I'm a big admirer of Stockhausen, but what is he doing under german 'Rock'? In this context, having Stockhausen 32 positions under 'Trio' (which was mererly a NDW joke of the early 80s) is very very odd... Anyway, though I don't live in Germany anymore for 6 years, and peope think I have an irish accent (except the irish), it is becoming obvious to me that I'm still very very german, for I have or at least know and also mostly like all the records listed here. Nina Hagen and the Spliff Radio Show, Scorpion's Lovedrive, geez - those were the days.... ;-) cheers armin --- In tadream@y..., peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: > Hi gang, > > Germany's monthly paper 'musikexpress' (issue #2/2001, February) has > asked 'experts' (mostly journalists) and issued a poll of the 50 'best' > Germanrock records which 'made history'. Among them, on rank #32 (between > Die Fantastischen Vier: 'Die vierte Dimension' and Amon Düül II: 'Phallu > Dei'): TD's 'Phaedra'. > > The album is 'a milestone of electronic music, the founder of a new > genre', the magazine found out. 'For Tangerine Dream, this meant the > initial starting of a still lasting international carreer.' > > Besides the lines about the LP, the magazine printed a short (!) > interview with Edgar Froese, saying: 'It was absolutely impossible at that > time to calculate with such a success (rank #8 in the British charts 1974), > beecause there was no relative scale for such a kind of music', and: > 'We feel confirmed that a kind of music which had been laughed at then has > turned into a really serious part of music history today.' > > Some other ranks: > 1. Kaftwerk: Autobahn > 2. Can: Monster Movie > 3. Trio: Trio ('Da da da') > 4. Ton Steine Scherben: Keine Macht für niemand > 5. Fehlfarben: Monarchie und Alltag > 6. Nina Hagen Band: same > 7. Neu!: same > 8. Ideal: same > 9. Can: Tago Mago > 10. Udo Lindenberg: Alles klar auf der Andrea Doria > ... > 15. Kaftwerk: Trans Europa Express > 22. Kaftwerk: Die Mensch-Maschine > 25. Can: Ege Bamyasi > 28. Kraftwerk: same > 29. Faust: Faust > 34. Kraftwerk: Computerwelt > 35. Karlheinz Stockhausen: Kontakte > 37. Scorpions: Lovedrive > 44. Neu!: Neu 2 > 45. BAP: Für Usszeschnigge > > (Seems they have asked the Kraftwerk fanclub to act as jury... ;-) ) > > Greetings, > Peter From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:42 am Subject: Redshift any takers Sorry cannot get into this at all, got it because Mark Shreeve involved thought it might be sequences with a bit of melody at least, then again not a lover of any TD before Stratosfear so anybody looking for a copy I will gladly send it. Has anybody got Nemesis Sky Archeology I have just recieved it is excellent more my style. Cheers Gary NP. Redshift Ether (never mind stick to you Legion style Mark) From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 7:54 am Subject: EF versus JF was RE: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one Hello Glynn, I am 43 and love techno,drum'n'bass or breakbeats.( not all the time:)) the way TD does it is COOL. What is the different between 57 and 43 or 43 and 20. Age, It's all in your mind:-) Look what Klaus Schulze is doing: Trance, Opera, Ballet... I think that the combination of EF & JF is great, better than Froese, Franke & Hasslinger. ;-) > greetings Bert am a fan of Motorhead too. > ---------- > From: Glynn Naughton[SMTP:glynnn@o...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 16:52 > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com ' > Subject: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one > > equally, I find it > hard to credit that a going-on-57-year-old man could have any warmth for > drum'n'bass or breakbeats. > > > Glynn > > > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their > albums > some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the > classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of > nature... > > 'I'm a romantic adventurer > And you're a reptile too. > But it don't make no difference > Cos I ain't gonna be easy, easy, > The only time I'm gonna be easy's when I'm > Killed by death.' > > Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26108 for Bert (Motoerhead) (sorry 'bif off-toppig) Rainer Rutka Wed 2/21/2001 3 KB 26120 SV: EF versus JF was RE: [tadream] Two TDs for th Pergamon Wed 2/21/2001 4 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 10:59 am Subject: for Bert (Motoerhead) (sorry 'bif off-toppig) On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 bert.hulshoff@d... wrote: > am a fan of Motorhead too. Me, too! I met Lemmy in a Vienna hotel some years ago and drank some beer with him. He was very pleased, I own approx. 70% of all his records and gave me a concert-ticket for the next evening. He is a very nice guy and very friendly and natural (private). Do you know, he's spending money for a children-hospital in ... (don't remember)? Yes: Lemmy the Animal! Unfortunately the concert was only 15 minutes long because Lemmy was ill (not because of the beer I hope ). I saw Motoerhead twice. OK, 'bit too loud but: YEAAAAAA!!!! I'm approx. 40 but that doesn't matter :-)))) > > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their... > > Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' Motoerhaed rules! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 11:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [OT] Lemmy Me too! Motorhead & Lemmy-era Hawkwind are two of my other favourite bands. One of the first concerts I ever attended was on the 'Bomber' tour. An outstanding performance in all ways, it is still one one of the shows that I judge all others by. Very few have equalled or exceeded it. None have been quite as loud either! I've seen them several times since but the line-up with Eddie & Philthy was, to me, the best by a long way. A few weeks ago I read that Lemmy was seriously ill & hospitalised. Does anyone know if he is recovering? Very Best Brian >BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their albums >some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the >classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of nature... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 802 Subject: Re: Two TDs for the price of one Sean Montgomery said: >>> I think the primary reason the TD name still exists at all is that it's a well known brand name in electronic music, and Jerome knows that he'd have a tough time attracting interest if he struck out on his own. The spotty attendance at his Ground Liftaz event was a good example of that. (If the posters had promised a 'Tangerine Dream' show, you can be sure it would have been a packed house.) Perhaps Edgar is just giving him a chance to develop an independent voice before handing the franchise over. >>> To make TD a vital band again, one of the Froeses will have to go, and the survivor will have to bring in a couple of new collaborators. Either that, or the name should just be retired. They are diluting the value of their brand name by putting out so many inconsistent albums. You never know if it'll be techno-y or a bunch of slow synth washes and fake harpsichord sounds. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY Yes! New TD memebers. I've been thinking about this since I've heard a bunch of TD solo albums: JS's Wuivend Riet (one of the very best TD solo albums), Baumann's Transharmonic Nights (very nice, with some brilliant moments), and Franke's Klemania (very nice too). Why does it seem (to many of us, to me, at least) that the best TD music ended with Franke's departure? Maybe it's because TD had became, and have been since, two people. I think what TD needs is a third *creative member*, still the Johannes substitute we've been waiting for since Le Parc. GJ after playing a few tracks from Wuivend From: 'Erik Sanborn' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 1:40 pm Subject: Re: Two TDs for the price of one Hi Glynn, Actually that recent post was from me, responding to Steven's post re: Seven Letters from Tibet. I tend to lurk these days so it doesn't surprise me if people don't remember me. :-) I think your speculation is quite accurate. While I appreciate the variety and apparent eclecticism of TD, I too sense that recent TD albums are being made by mostly one musician. This is okay for the short term but may not work well in the long term. The TD name still has meaning to people but that meaning may get diluted, confused or just plain reduced if people don't know what 'flavor' of TD the next album will be. Is it: techno TD ? new age TD ? neo-classical TD ? hip-hop TD ? TD ? Too much eclecticism may feel rather schizophrenic. In the long term, I think it will be necessary for the two musicians to go their own ways. This is not necessarily a bad thing but it will be a marketing challenge for whoever is not carrying the TD name. Here's a thought: Edgar gives the keys to TD over to Jerome. Jerome takes TD in the direction he is currently headed, for better or for worse. Edgar does then some solo albums with select guest musicians helping him out. Eventually he asks Johannes to collaborate with him again. TD fans worldwide shout, 'Woo-hoo!' and there is much rejoicing. I can dream, can't I? :-) Regards, Erik > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:52:14 -0000 > From: Glynn Naughton > >Hello there, > >I think it was Mr.Feldman who recently posted about TD's eclecticism. I have >a suspicion that TD has now almost become a vehicle for two solo musicians >to share alternately. Edgar once said that they used to ascribe each >composition to all band members for simplicity, even though one (or more) of >the members might not have contributed anything (and I think most of us are >pretty adept at picking out the de facto Johannes solo tracks or whatever >from various albums). I'm almost tempted to believe that they've extended >this approach to whole albums. 'Hey, dad,' sez Jerome, 'can I borrow the >keys to TD to make a techno album?' The result is _Dream Mixes 3_. 'Jerome, >I need TD back to do some classical stuff,' sez Edgar later, and out pops >_Star Trooper_. > >Who knows whether this is the case, but it seems that Edgar and Jerome are >so divergent musically that I find it hard to imagine them co-existing in a >traditional partnership. I get the feeling that Jerome isn't remotely >interested in Edgar's pseudo-classical leanings, and, equally, I find it >hard to credit that a going-on-57-year-old man could have any warmth for >drum'n'bass or breakbeats. It wouldn't surprise me if TD albums now feature >no contribution whatsoever from the 'other' member. > >This is not a criticism, just some speculation on what I think might be >going on behind the scenes. Sound reasonable? > >Glynn From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 5:14 am Subject: OT: Re BOWIE AT THE BEEB On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:43:05 -0500 (EST) spawnofcthulhu@w... writes: >np: bowie at the beeb That CD pisses me off immensely. They cut the best track that should have been on there. The version of 'Andy Warhol' with lead vocals by Dana Gillespie! Grrrrr. :( I have it on a bootleg LP with a green cover and an image of David holding a gun from THE MAN WHO FELL TO EARTH. Is this track on a CD with decent sound, might you know??? Oh, and re TD, okefenokee dreams is real good. While you're at it, order the second Arcane CD (the first is sorta blah), and get anything from Air Sculpture except for their first (IMPOSSIBLE GEOMETRIES). -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'David Bowie told me Brian Eno gave him a record of I Feel Love and said 'David . . . I heard the future!'' -- Giorgio Moroder, on the UK Channel 4 television special, 'The UK's Greatest #1 Singles,' on January 6, 2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [OT] Lemmy First three albums were great. I like the Hawkwind originals of the tracks on the first album better though, Motorhead and The Watcher. There might have been others but I forget and the album is in the loft. > > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their > albums > > some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the > > classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of > nature... From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) > Hello everyone, > I've just noticed a baby sound in Coefficient of Aural Expansion (a.k.a. Ruby in the Sky), London 9/4/75 - or is it 4/9/75? - exactly on the first cd-long track, at 48:12. Do you hear the same thing? > > So that makes Jerome a TD member since 75... But back then he was the singer :) Also at 41.33, 41.59, 42.07, 43.50 and 44.01. How sad and bored am I? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 36860 Underground VCD news by Rainer ! Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Mon 10/28/2002 2 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [OT] Lemmy One of the first concerts I ever attended was on the 'Bomber' tour. Yeah, me too and Hawkwind the same year. First gig was Dream though, in March 78. From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] for Bert (Motoerhead) (sorry 'bif off-toppig) Oh yeah, and I'm forty in August. Phil. > > I'm approx. 40 but that doesn't matter :-)))) > > > > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their... > > > Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' > Motoerhaed rules! From: 'Patrik .' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 9:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush ***Extremely late reply, but anyhow, I´m going too with a friend of mine; > >Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: > >Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > >David Foster (UK) > >Duncan McKee (UK) > >Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > >Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > >Glynn Naughton (France) > >Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > >Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > >Marion (UK) > >Matthew Stringer (UK) > >Michael Jean (USA, not sure) > >Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > >Paul Fellows (France) > >Rainer Rutka (Germany) > >Ray (UK) > >Roger Hartopp (Poland) ***Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) ----------------- cu there! Bye Patrik _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26122 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Geir Smedsrud Wed 2/21/2001 2 KB From: 'Patrik .' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 9:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD USA? Totta From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 10:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Either there's a baby in the audience, or it's samples by EF of JF. How interesting. -Morgan P.S. Safe bet we can remove the Dreamwatchers Tales banner now? From: 'Phil Wingfield' > Hello everyone, > I've just noticed a baby sound in Coefficient of Aural Expansion (a.k.a. Ruby in the Sky), London 9/4/75 - or is it 4/9/75? - exactly on the first cd-long track, at 48:12. Do you hear the same thing? > > So that makes Jerome a TD member since 75... But back then he was the singer :) Also at 41.33, 41.59, 42.07, 43.50 and 44.01. How sad and bored am I? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 10:09 pm Subject: SV: EF versus JF was RE: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one At last!!!!. I can only agree with you. Jan I am 43 and love techno,drum'n'bass or breakbeats.( not all the time:)) the way TD does it is COOL. What is the different between 57 and 43 or 43 and 20. Age, It's all in your mind:-) Look what Klaus Schulze is doing: Trance, Opera, Ballet... I think that the combination of EF & JF is great, better than Froese, Franke & Hasslinger. ;-) > greetings Bert am a fan of Motorhead too. > ---------- > From: Glynn Naughton[SMTP:glynnn@o...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 16:52 > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com ' > Subject: [tadream] Two TDs for the price of one > > equally, I find it > hard to credit that a going-on-57-year-old man could have any warmth for > drum'n'bass or breakbeats. > > > Glynn > > > BTW, are there any other Motorhead fans on here? If been giving their > albums > some serious spinning time recently, naturally with the emphasis on the > classic Kilminster/Clarke/Taylor years. Lemmy truly is a force of > nature... > > 'I'm a romantic adventurer > And you're a reptile too. > But it don't make no difference > Cos I ain't gonna be easy, easy, > The only time I'm gonna be easy's when I'm > Killed by death.' > > Motorhead, 'Killed by Death' > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 10:07 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Two TDs for the price of one that doesn't sound too far-fetched, but Ed's been in this genre for a while now. Makes me think he is not exactly looking to depart from the current direction. Maybe Jerome is not necessarily the only one pushing in that direction. > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Sanborn [mailto:esanborn@n...] > Here's a thought: > Edgar gives the keys to TD over to Jerome. Jerome takes TD in > the direction > he is currently headed, for better or for worse. > Edgar does then some solo albums with select guest musicians > helping him > out. Eventually he asks Johannes to collaborate with him > again. TD fans > worldwide shout, 'Woo-hoo!' and there is much rejoicing. > > I can dream, can't I? :-) > From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush At 22:15 21.02.01 +0100, you wrote: >***Extremely late reply, but anyhow, I´m going too with a friend of mine; > > > >Here's everyone who has owned up to coming as far as I know: He he, I really hope you're meaning late in the evening and not late in relation to close to the concert! Looking forward to seeing you! Best Regards Geir (so drunk I missed the correct key half the time!!!!) From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 12:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Jerome, TD member since 1975 (?!) Phil Wingfield wrote: > > > I've just noticed a baby sound in Coefficient of Aural Expansion (...) > Also at 41.33, 41.59, 42.07, 43.50 and 44.01. How sad and bored am I? Probably not as bored as that crying baby :-) Antonio Nunes From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 4:00 am Subject: re: OT: Bowie at the Beeb The Rise and Rise of Ziggy Stardust & Kiss the Viper's Fang both have the DG version of Andy Warhol. The Rise And Rise oF Ziggy Stardust http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/7446/BBC/BBC.htm Kiss The Vipers Fang http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/dylan/811/discography/discs/disc_0025.htm mike np: passion (peter gabriel) From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 8:05 am Subject: Re: Motorhead <> I dig a lot of the Motorhead stuff. Unlike most folks, though, I prefer the mid 80's stuff, with Wurzel and Phillip Campbell on guitars and either Pete Gill (I think that's the name of the drummer on Orgasmatron) or Philthy Animal Taylor on drums. No Sleep At All is a cool live album. I also like the No Remorse comp. I always thought Eat The Rich was a cool song. What do you think of the album they did with Brian Robertson on guitar? I only have heard the one or two songs that are on No Remorse, but I've always been curious about that one (being a big fan of Robbo's from his Thin Lizzy days). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26128 Re: Motorhead Brian Stewart Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB 26143 Re: Motorhead John McIntyre Fri 2/23/2001 2 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 8:07 am Subject: Re: Star Trooper <> Or he might have swiped the title from the same place that Jon Anderson stole it from, the Robert Heinlein novel Starship Troopers (yes, the one that inspired a gawdawful 'sci-fi' flick a couple years back). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [OT] Lemmy Yeah, me too and Hawkwind the same year. First gig was Dream though, in March 78. ----- I tried very hard to get to see TD about then but as it meant travelling my folks put the kybosh on that jaunt. Funny, they seemed not to mind my going to home gigs with the local Angels & other such colourful people. I still have the badge that a pal who did go brought back for me. The next time TD played in my vicinity it was the same day as my most important school leaving exam & after that I had the difficult choice between finally 'connecting' with a new girlfriend or going to see TD. I should have chosen TD, she didnt last too long! Ever since I have missed a number of TD shows all round the world by a whisker. Until now! Best Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 1:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Motorhead What do you think of the album they did with Brian Robertson on guitar? I only have heard the one or two songs that are on No Remorse, but I've always been curious about that one (being a big fan of Robbo's from his Thin Lizzy days). ---- I think that was Iron-Fist? It was quite good but to me lacked the edge of the real Motorhead. I saw them then too & again they were not the same band. A pity because Lizzy is for me another much-loved band from those days. I saw (& indeed met) them often around that time. They played several one-off/warm-up gigs in a local small nightclub - fantastic atmosphere! Just to keep this totally OT someone sent me this link, surreal! http://user.tninet.se/~prv247p/hatt/hatten.swf Can any of the Scandinavian members tell me what the hell is going on? Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:31 pm Subject: Re: Missed TD Hi, Brian! >have the badge that a pal who did go brought back for me. The next time TD >played in my vicinity it was the same day as my most important school >leaving exam & after that I had the difficult choice between finally >'connecting' with a new girlfriend or going to see TD. I should have chosen >TD, she didnt last too long! Ever since I have missed a number of TD shows You should have insisted on taking the 'new girlfriend' with you to go see TD... ...maybe the relationship would have lasted longer! ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26130 Re: Missed TD Brian Stewart Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB 26131 Re: Missed TD Utch Entel Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB 26132 Re: Missed TD Nick Adams Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB 26133 Re: Missed TD Brian Stewart Thu 2/22/2001 2 KB 26137 Missed TD olle.rundgren@s... Fri 2/23/2001 2 KB 26138 Re: Missed TD Dan Oakley Fri 2/23/2001 3 KB 26139 Re: Missed TD Utch Entel Fri 2/23/2001 3 KB 26140 Re: Missed TD Dan Oakley Fri 2/23/2001 4 KB 26146 Re: Missed TD Greg Sun 2/25/2001 3 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Missed TD You should have insisted on taking the 'new girlfriend' with you to go see TD... ...maybe the relationship would have lasted longer! ...Utch ----------- Nah! She couldnt stand them. Roy Harper & Stephen Stills were more her sort of thing. Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:45 pm Subject: Re: Missed TD >>You should have insisted on taking the 'new girlfriend' with you to go >>see TD... ...maybe the relationship would have lasted longer! >Nah! > >She couldnt stand them. Roy Harper & Stephen Stills were more her sort of >thing. She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 3:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Missed TD > She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a > relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't > TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! > > ...Utch Prepare to be Lonely the rest of your life then ;-) Nick Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... ICQ 44174543 From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 3:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Missed TD She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't TD! ---------------- Quite! I eventually found one who did. The result was ten years on an emotional rollercoaster for me! I only recently closed the door finally on that one - She left with most of my TD CDs (But not the vinyls thankfully) May they all bronze quickly! Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Patrik .' Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] People going to Shepherd's Bush Geir Smedsrud wrote: He he, I really hope you're meaning late in the evening and not late in relation to close to the concert! Looking forward to seeing you! Best Regards Geir (so drunk I missed the correct key half the time!!!!) Spelling and granatical errors left in to tickle your mind> ------------- Hey Geir and all you other Shepherds, nah I guess we will be there early, it´s always fun to meet TD-people and chat about concerts and stuff. Helt akkurat Geir, vi ses i London! Ha de! Patrik, Stockholm (arctic conditions here, f*cking cold that is!) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26135 Pergamon noise Roy Teale Fri 2/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Roy Teale' Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 12:46 pm Subject: Pergamon noise I haven't seen this discussed before: My copy of Pergamon (CAROL CD 1 release) has some sort of noise at certain places in the tracks. I've listed a few here: track 1 :29 - pop track 2 1:09 - static 1:32 - static 2:25 - static 2:42 - static There are more on track 2, but I got tired of counting. I'm listening to this on headphones. At first I thought my stereo was distorting, but now I don't think so. So, is it just my copy, or do all copies of Pergamon have these anomalies? Roy From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Pergamon noise Hi, Roy! >I haven't seen this discussed before: My copy of Pergamon (CAROL CD 1 >release) has some sort of noise at certain places in the tracks. I've >listed a few here: >track 1 :29 - pop >track 2 1:09 - static > 1:32 - static > 2:25 - static > 2:42 - static > >There are more on track 2, but I got tired of counting. I'm listening to >this on headphones. At first I thought my stereo was distorting, but now I >don't think so. > >So, is it just my copy, or do all copies of Pergamon have these anomalies? Yes... ...my copy of Pergamon also has these noise anomalies. ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 3:56 pm Subject: Missed TD >She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a >relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't >TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! >...Utch Now that's a drastic statement. I've been married to the same woman for eight years now. TD is but a laugh to her but we're just fine together. My wife and I that is, TD of today and I don't get along that well unfortunately. Just recently got the Seven letters of Tibet and even if I like the opening, it just seems as though they ran out of ink after the first letter. Still, I've only listened to it a couple of times so better not say too much. A good weekend to all! /Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26138 Re: Missed TD Dan Oakley Fri 2/23/2001 3 KB From: Dan Oakley Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 4:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Missed TD Agreed with Olle. My wife has no comprehension whatsoever how I can listen to what she calls 'noise,' whether it be TD or any other such group. But we have a wonderful marriage. Don't base any relationship on music or sex. Neither will hold it together. Dan --- olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > >She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a > >relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't > > >TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! > > >...Utch > > Now that's a drastic statement. I've been married to the same woman > for > eight years now. TD is but a laugh to her but we're just fine > together. My > wife and I that is, TD of today and I don't get along that well > unfortunately. Just recently got the Seven letters of Tibet and > even if I > like the opening, it just seems as though they ran out of ink after > the > first letter. > Still, I've only listened to it a couple of times so better not say > too > much. > > A good weekend to all! > /Olle > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 4:33 pm Subject: Re: Missed TD Hi, Olle and Dan! The statement was made in jest... ...I have been married to the same woman for over 10 years, and, of course, it isn't necessary for your spouse to TD. The sex comment was also in jest. I was hoping to put a smile on a face or two! I hope I didn't offend anyone! ...Utch On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:16:48 -0800 (PST), Dan Oakley wrote: >Agreed with Olle. My wife has no comprehension whatsoever how I can >listen to what she calls 'noise,' whether it be TD or any other such >group. But we have a wonderful marriage. Don't base any >relationship on music or sex. Neither will hold it together. > >Dan > >--- olle.rundgren@s... wrote: >> >She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a >> >relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't >> >> >TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! >> >> >...Utch >> >> Now that's a drastic statement. I've been married to the same woman >> for >> eight years now. TD is but a laugh to her but we're just fine >> together. My >> wife and I that is, TD of today and I don't get along that well >> unfortunately. Just recently got the Seven letters of Tibet and >> even if I >> like the opening, it just seems as though they ran out of ink after >> the >> first letter. >> Still, I've only listened to it a couple of times so better not say >> too >> much. >> >> A good weekend to all! >> /Olle --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26140 Re: Missed TD Dan Oakley Fri 2/23/2001 4 KB From: Dan Oakley Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 5:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Missed TD Utch, I'm one of those people that nobody at work teases much, mostly because I don't recognize it for what it is most of the time. No offense taken. Dan --- Utch Entel wrote: > Hi, Olle and Dan! > > The statement was made in jest... ...I have been married to the > same > woman for over 10 years, and, of course, it isn't necessary for > your > spouse to TD. The sex comment was also in jest. I was > hoping > to put a smile on a face or two! > > I hope I didn't offend anyone! > > ...Utch > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:16:48 -0800 (PST), Dan Oakley wrote: > > >Agreed with Olle. My wife has no comprehension whatsoever how I > can > >listen to what she calls 'noise,' whether it be TD or any other > such > >group. But we have a wonderful marriage. Don't base any > >relationship on music or sex. Neither will hold it together. > > > >Dan > > > >--- olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > >> >She couldn't stand them?!? That's no good! There's no way a > >> >relationship with a girl would work out with me if she didn't > >> > >> >TD! No matter how much the relationship was embedded in sex! > >> > >> >...Utch > >> > >> Now that's a drastic statement. I've been married to the same > woman > >> for > >> eight years now. TD is but a laugh to her but we're just fine > >> together. My > >> wife and I that is, TD of today and I don't get along that well > >> unfortunately. Just recently got the Seven letters of Tibet and > >> even if I > >> like the opening, it just seems as though they ran out of ink > after > >> the > >> first letter. > >> Still, I've only listened to it a couple of times so better not > say > >> too > >> much. > >> > >> A good weekend to all! > >> /Olle > > --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Feb 24, 2001 4:33 am Subject: Two collectable items I have just placed these two items on e-bay, in case any of you are interested in bidding for either of them Fully signed Tournado postcard from UK tour 1997 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1412106386 1980-81 World Tour orange and black sew-on patch http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1412103378 - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 9:13 pm Subject: More collectable items Synth Music Direct http://www.synthmusicdirect.com has also a few collectable items on their second hand list, including: Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer (MRCD7030) Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquility (Original version CD) Tangerine Dream - The Keep (ultra rare original CD in black card wallet) Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26193 Re: More collectable items herold.u@t... Thu 3/1/2001 3 KB From: John McIntyre Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Motorhead Chris Richards wrote: > What do you think of the album they did with > Brian Robertson on guitar? I only have heard the > one or two songs that are on No Remorse, but I've > always been curious about that one (being a big > fan of Robbo's from his Thin Lizzy days). It's not bad, but the best thing about it is the cartoon about Brian's audition with the band. That's with my vinyl LP; don't know if it made it to the CD booklet. Would be awfully small if it did. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: Re: Two TDs for the price of one 'Edgar once said that they used to ascribe each composition to all band members for simplicity, even though one (or more) of the members might not have contributed anything (and I think most of us are pretty adept at picking out the de facto Johannes solo tracks or whatever from various albums)...' This has to lead to a new game. How about speculating who really composed each track? The game was kind of given away when TD finally released the TDI version of The Keep, with most tracks composed by Froese alone, with work jointly composed with Johannes Schmoelling and just two tracks credited with Chris Franke (Edgar deciding to omit the obviously Franke composed tracks for whatever his reasons). I think working separately on tracks is more apparent on the soundtrack albums. Let's start with 'Thief'. Who wrote what? Roger Hartopp From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Fri Feb 23, 2001 10:25 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Missed TD Agreed, but having sex to the music of TD is quite an experience :o) Allthough, NOT if she don't like it. Could turn out to be at bit unfortunate ( and no, not talking of experience :o) Poul >Don't base any relationship on music or sex. Neither will hold it together. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26151 Very off-topic!!!!! Pergamon Tue 2/27/2001 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Sun Feb 25, 2001 8:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Missed TD I've done just about everything to TD music.. make a mix of some songs to the particular activity.. sex.. painting.. cleaning.. reading.. sleeping.. etc. I got my college art department to play a CD I made of rarities and concert material I found, as well as albums like Melrose and Oasis. I'll drop in every once in a while to hear my music playing while potters are throwing on the wheel, heck I've eve had it played in life drawing sessions. As far as sex goes, I found that UFOrb is a wonderful album to play.. but hey some women are not so open minded. I might be a strange person, but I find TD very appropriate for such acts, especially since the music is quite organic (at least Phaedra and Rubycon) and the song structure is built of layers that build up. Phaedra seems like the musical exploration of the Big Bang theory while Rubycon seems like a flight through the landscape of the continents and the abyss of the oceans. Greg H. > Agreed, but having sex to the music of TD is quite an experience :o) Allthough, NOT if she don't like it. Could turn out to be at bit unfortunate ( and no, not talking of experience :o) > > Poul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26147 Re: Missed TD Gary Jenkins Sun 2/25/2001 3 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Feb 25, 2001 9:27 am Subject: Re: Missed TD --- In tadream@y..., 'Greg' wrote: NO hope here if I put TD on just before the act my sexlife would probably come to an abrupt end. > I've done just about everything to TD music.. make a mix of some songs to > the particular activity.. sex.. painting.. cleaning.. reading.. sleeping.. > etc. I got my college art department to play a CD I made of rarities and > concert material I found, as well as albums like Melrose and Oasis. I'll > drop in every once in a while to hear my music playing while potters are > throwing on the wheel, heck I've eve had it played in life drawing sessions. > > As far as sex goes, I found that UFOrb is a wonderful album to play.. but > hey some women are not so open minded. > > I might be a strange person, but I find TD very appropriate for such acts, > especially since the music is quite organic (at least Phaedra and Rubycon) > and the song structure is built of layers that build up. Phaedra seems like > the musical exploration of the Big Bang theory while Rubycon seems like a > flight through the landscape of the continents and the abyss of the oceans. > > Greg H. > > > Agreed, but having sex to the music of TD is quite an experience :o) > Allthough, NOT if she don't like it. Could turn out to be at bit unfortunate > ( and no, not talking of experience :o) > > > > Poul From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Feb 26, 2001 7:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Was Missed TD Back to the subject of wives again, huh? If I had a wife or a woman who could relate to my electronic / TD music, life would be so much brighter for me. It's been somewhat hard for me to find other people, let alone a woman, here where I live who can relate to my music living in this small country hick town :-( Believe me, I've tried to make love to my wife [Every which way :-)] with TD's music, but I've had to endure the moans and groans of complaining, which hardly makes it worthwhile. My music is a big part of who I am these days, just a simple fact. Maybe some of us should be like, was it Klaus?, who has met and married women whom he has met at TD concerts. It all comes back to compatability. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gary Jenkins' To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 2:27 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Missed TD > --- In tadream@y..., 'Greg' wrote: > > NO hope here if I put TD on just before the act my sexlife would > probably come to an abrupt end. > > > > > > I've done just about everything to TD music.. make a mix of some > songs to > > the particular activity.. sex.. painting.. cleaning.. reading.. > sleeping.. > > etc. I got my college art department to play a CD I made of > rarities and > > concert material I found, as well as albums like Melrose and Oasis. > I'll > > drop in every once in a while to hear my music playing while > potters are > > throwing on the wheel, heck I've eve had it played in life drawing > sessions. > > > > As far as sex goes, I found that UFOrb is a wonderful album to > play.. but > > hey some women are not so open minded. > > > > I might be a strange person, but I find TD very appropriate for > such acts, > > especially since the music is quite organic (at least Phaedra and > Rubycon) > > and the song structure is built of layers that build up. Phaedra > seems like > > the musical exploration of the Big Bang theory while Rubycon seems > like a > > flight through the landscape of the continents and the abyss of the > oceans. > > > > Greg H. > > > > > Agreed, but having sex to the music of TD is quite an > experience :o) > > Allthough, NOT if she don't like it. Could turn out to be at bit > unfortunate > > ( and no, not talking of experience :o) > > > > > > Poul > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Mon Feb 26, 2001 12:20 pm Subject: Test Sorry Guys, Just a test of my e-mail system. 4 e-mails from both lists all weekend? Must be my e-mail system again. Neal 'I have gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, Please keep me here.' --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. From: Rainer Rutka Date: Tue Feb 27, 2001 11:10 am Subject: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - Hi! Just a question to all the TD experts outside (I am not an expert!): Today I got the record 'Waiter On The Dance', TD Live in Manchester 1976. But it's not a vinyl record. It's an azetate! I listened to the record and it's really TD onto it. My question is: Is this a fake or was/is such an azetate really existing? Is it rare or shall I put it to the garbagge? Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue Feb 27, 2001 1:26 pm Subject: Very off-topic!!!!! Hello all I have recently bought my own domaine and wishes to make a site in flash. I have made almost the entire page/site but need some finishing touches that I can't figure out how to do. I am unexperienced in flash, so I need a little help in finishing the site. I have tried contacting professional webdesigners, but they charge an amount of money that I don't even want to mention here. I fear that you'll pass out or worse. Does anyone here on this list work with flash and are willing to help me??????? Thanks in advance Jan From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Tue Feb 27, 2001 6:14 pm Subject: Testing Hey there all. Just wanted to send this as a test. I got SIX messages in the last four days, and since I'd moved to a new address, wanted to find out if this worked. Anyone? dan Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26153 Re: Testing j.gordon Tue 2/27/2001 3 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Feb 27, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Testing yeah, it just seems like either: a) the list is going through a heavy dry spell or b) the yahoogroups server is eatin' up the mails... there have been enough test mails that the former seems more likely to me... j.gordon --- winnie the pooh wrote: > Hey there all. Just wanted to send this as a test. I got SIX messages in the > last four days, and since I'd moved to a new address, wanted to find out if > this worked. > > Anyone? > > dan > > > > Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! > http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com > http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com > AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Feb 27, 2001 8:22 pm Subject: [tadream] Dry Spell I am thinking of a little project, and it depends on how many people out there have many or all of TD's official releases, but have heard few or no TD concerts. If you feel this applies to you, please e-mail me off-list. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 12:31 pm Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Hi there I hope you enjoy the DWT. If so, what do you think about a vol 2 ? I would like to create a new DWT at the end of this year. Discussion now is open Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26156 Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES j.gordon Wed 2/28/2001 3 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DREAMWATCHERS' TALES sounds good to me... i remember seeing a few 'i wish i'd submitted a better tune' mails pop through here... well, here's everyone's chance... sounds great... if the prerelease disc is any indication, DWT is going to be kickin'... j.gordon --- Yannick EDOM wrote: > Hi there > > I hope you enjoy the DWT. > If so, what do you think about a vol 2 ? > > I would like to create a new DWT at the end of this year. > > Discussion now is open > > Friendly from France > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:41 pm Subject: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hi Gang, only wanted to say that I raised enough money to attend the Shepherds Bush gig in May :-D See you all there, and it's great to get the chance to meet some of you nice people on the list in person, something I always wanted to do since I joined the Tadream lists. Btw, I will of course wear my old Ramones t-shirt (Rocket to Russia) again....GABBA GABBA HEY! Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26158 Re: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Synthhtnys@a... Wed 2/28/2001 2 KB 26159 Re: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Heiko Heerssen Wed 2/28/2001 2 KB 26161 Re: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! David Foster Wed 2/28/2001 3 KB 26178 Re: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Joe Shoults Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Btw, I will of course wear my old Ramones t-shirt (Rocket to Russia) again....GABBA GABBA HEY! Heiko *AH! A Ramones fan Have you seen this band that does the songs of ABBA in the style of the Ramones? They're called GABBA!... No I did not just make that up. They really exist. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Synthhtnys@a... schrieb: > *AH! A Ramones fan Have you seen this band that does the songs of ABBA in > the style of the Ramones? They're called GABBA!... > No I did not just make that up. They really exist. No, I haven't. But it makes sense, as I think that both ABBA and the Ramones wrote great pop songs (don't you dare to laugh ;-) Heiko From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 6:54 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hi all, If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) 35 people already... Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) Craig Cordrey (UK) David Foster (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Glynn Naughton (France) Heiko Heerssen (Germany) Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) James Williams + 1 friend (UK) Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) Lawry Simm (USA) Marion (UK) Matthew Stringer (UK) Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Ray (UK) Richard (UK?) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Steve Jenkins (UK) cheers Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26190 Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Paul Fellows Thu 3/1/2001 7 KB From: 'David Foster' Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 7:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Come on Edgar, Jerome and gang......join us for a drink. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Fellows To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hi all, If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) 35 people already... Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) Craig Cordrey (UK) David Foster (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Glynn Naughton (France) Heiko Heerssen (Germany) Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) James Williams + 1 friend (UK) Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) Lawry Simm (USA) Marion (UK) Matthew Stringer (UK) Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Ray (UK) Richard (UK?) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Steve Jenkins (UK) cheers Paul Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: ohmss76@a... Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 8:15 pm Subject: Finally!! Hello everyone:) I finally found time to pull away from my first love(film scores,usually of the orchestral variety:) and am SO happy to have found a TD group(my second love:) I only wanted to introduce myself, and look forward to some great conversation, and info, since TD has always been a bit of an enigma to me, although I own almost all of their commercial albums. All the best, Sean Adams Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26164 Re: Finally!! Joe Shoults Wed 2/28/2001 2 KB From: 'Gert Jalass' Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 8:36 pm Subject: Fw: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hmm, drink if it's non-alc only ;-) They did quit drinking, smoking and eating meat. Gert ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Foster' To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > Come on Edgar, Jerome and gang......join us for a drink. > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Fellows > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:54 PM > Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > > Hi all, > > If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with > the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) > > 35 people already... > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) > Craig Cordrey (UK) > David Foster (UK) > Duncan McKee (UK) > Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > Glynn Naughton (France) > Heiko Heerssen (Germany) > Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > James Williams + 1 friend (UK) > Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > Lawry Simm (USA) > Marion (UK) > Matthew Stringer (UK) > Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) > Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > Paul Fellows (France) > Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) > Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) > Rainer Rutka (Germany) > Ray (UK) > Richard (UK?) > Roger Hartopp (Poland) > Steve Jenkins (UK) > > cheers > > Paul > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26166 Re: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Conrad Gibbons Thu 3/1/2001 6 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Feb 28, 2001 8:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Finally!! welcome! > -----Original Message----- > From: ohmss76@a... [mailto:ohmss76@a...] > > I only wanted to introduce myself, and look forward to some > great conversation, and info, since TD has always been a bit > of an enigma to me, although I own almost all of their > commercial albums. > > All the best, > Sean Adams > From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 4:43 am Subject: Re: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - Hello, > From: Rainer Rutka > Subject: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - > ... > Today I got the record 'Waiter On The Dance', TD Live in Manchester 1976. > But it's not a vinyl record. > It's an azetate! > I listened to the record and it's really TD onto it. > > My question is: Is this a fake or was/is such an azetate really existing? > Is it rare or shall I put it to the garbagge? unfortunately, this is obviously a fake. The alleged 'Waiters on the dance' vinyl LP does not exist, thus it would not have made any sense to produce acetates. There are machines to 'press' records with an edition of only one copy - a special service for DJs mostly. These records look like acetates, and probably the alleged 'Waiters on the dance' has been produced this way by transferring a tape record to vinyl. Nobody has ever heard of a prrof that such a LP does exist until a so-called 'acetate' has been auctioned by a dealer in Germany in March 1998, and no one has heard of it again since then. Cheers, Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26170 Re: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - Rainer Rutka Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 1:47 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hi everyone!!!!! Maybe we should be really organised and wear Name badges???? ;-) Regards, Conrad -----Original Message----- From: Gert Jalass [mailto:gjalass@b...] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:37 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fw: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Hmm, drink if it's non-alc only ;-) They did quit drinking, smoking and eating meat. Gert ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Foster' To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > Come on Edgar, Jerome and gang......join us for a drink. > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Fellows > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:54 PM > Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > > Hi all, > > If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with > the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) > > 35 people already... > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) > Craig Cordrey (UK) > David Foster (UK) > Duncan McKee (UK) > Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > Glynn Naughton (France) > Heiko Heerssen (Germany) > Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > James Williams + 1 friend (UK) > Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > Lawry Simm (USA) > Marion (UK) > Matthew Stringer (UK) > Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) > Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > Paul Fellows (France) > Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) > Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) > Rainer Rutka (Germany) > Ray (UK) > Richard (UK?) > Roger Hartopp (Poland) > Steve Jenkins (UK) > > cheers > > Paul > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! 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To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: ohmss76@a... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 2:42 am Subject: Latest and Greatest Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) As I said, I picked up some new and old things over the past weeks, and wanted to see what others might think of these titles.... Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact that there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it someday, since I exchanged it for... Sohoman 1982 Sydney Concert - like this well enough, the two pieces from WHITE EAGLE sound the same as on the Virgin album. I was a bit discouraged to exchange the above for this, and notice a out of sync rhythm track on Logos Part One(track 4). Anyone else catch this? If you listen close(as everyone should to TD:) ) it throws the music off a bit:( TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came from? I was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? I was hoping, by the packaging anyway, that this would be unreleased cues from STRANGE BEHAVIOR,THE SOLDIER and other oddities.....wherever the cues originate from, its a great listen, and I hear echoes of the 'Virgin' years in many of these pieces:):):) Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good stuff on here for me to begin! Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was eaten by an old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to the other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. And that was it! Any thoughts? All the best, Sean A Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26169 Re: Latest and Greatest Feldon Feldon Thu 3/1/2001 5 KB 26182 Re: Latest and Greatest Michael V Miller Thu 3/1/2001 4 KB 26184 Re: Latest and Greatest Sean Montgomery Thu 3/1/2001 6 KB 26217 Re: Latest and Greatest ohmss76@a... Fri 3/2/2001 5 KB 26219 Re: Latest and Greatest j.gordon Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26222 Re: Latest and Greatest Feldon Feldon Fri 3/2/2001 5 KB 26224 Re: Latest and Greatest ohmss76@a... Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26225 Re: Latest and Greatest ohmss76@a... Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26234 Re: Latest and Greatest Gustavo Jobim Sat 3/3/2001 2 KB From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 3:19 am Subject: Going Shopping For those of us poor souls that will not be able to see the TD concert in the UK in May, are there any 'Kind Souls' that ARE going that might be willing to do a little shopping? We/I can only assume that there will be some little tidbit, or prerelease of something sold at the concert. Maybe a single that will only be available at the show and not on the regular market? Anyone willing to help, I would be willing to send a months pay, in advance, for the help. ('Honest honey, we only get paid every OTHER month at work.') Neal > [Original Message] > From: Paul Fellows > To: > Date: 2/28/01 2:07:10 PM > Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > Hi all, > > If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with > the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) > > 35 people already... > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) > Craig Cordrey (UK) > David Foster (UK) > Duncan McKee (UK) > Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > Glynn Naughton (France) > Heiko Heerssen (Germany) > Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > James Williams + 1 friend (UK) > Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > Lawry Simm (USA) > Marion (UK) > Matthew Stringer (UK) > Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) > Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > Paul Fellows (France) > Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) > Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) > Rainer Rutka (Germany) > Ray (UK) > Richard (UK?) > Roger Hartopp (Poland) > Steve Jenkins (UK) > > cheers > > Paul > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > 'I have gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, Please keep me here.' --- Neal Frost --- strat95@e... --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 8:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest >From: ohmss76@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) > >Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact that >there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it someday, Oh dear, you have stumbled upon a few of the latest misadventures by Tangerine Dream. Soundmill Navigator is a bit of a cruel joke. It's a 1976 concert with the volume turned down, lots of stuff added, and as you noticed, there is an awful chh chh chh sound during the whole thing. Edgar claims that it would have been impossible to remove this defect without ruining the music (a statement which several knowledgeable sound filtering and clarifying experts on the list strongly refute), so he actually ADDED this chh chh sound to the whole CD (such as the first 9 minutes which is entirely a studio creation). >Sohoman 1982 Sydney Concert - like this well enough, the two pieces from >WHITE EAGLE sound the same as on the Virgin album. I was a bit discouraged >to >exchange the above for this, and notice a out of sync rhythm track on Logos >Part One(track 4). Anyone else catch this? If you listen close(as everyone >should to TD:) ) it throws the music off a bit:( Edgar Froese (creator of Tangerine Dream and the only one left of the old guard) seems to have no desire to release concerts as-is. But rather to try to 'be revolutionary' and add much new music on top. I can't help but feel that he is embarassed by the old music which we love. So as you note, he butchered Logos, and removed all trace of the nice guitar work in the last 8 minutes (which was originally 12 minutes) and tacked on a fake ending. His changes to Sohoman are completely out of tune, out of time, and don't fit at all. >TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came from? I >was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? I was hoping, >by >the packaging anyway, that this would be unreleased cues from STRANGE >BEHAVIOR,THE SOLDIER and other oddities.....wherever the cues originate >from, >its a great listen, and I hear echoes of the 'Virgin' years in many of >these >pieces:):):) That's exactly what we hoped for, but it turned out to be a lot of 1990's Tangerine Dream noodlings in the key of Miracle Mile and Melrose-era albums. >Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good stuff on >here for me to begin! If there is one CD in the last few years that Edgar has been nice enough to let out the door only half-'doctored', this is it. Tracks 1, 2, 3, 10, and a couple others are priceless. >Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was eaten by >an >old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) > >Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with >this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to the >other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. Aww, I love Tangent :) Poland and Ricochet are classics. -Morgan Sorry if my e-mail sounds negative. The last few years have been hard for TD fans who want the old concerts (there are well over 100 hours of unique material [different enough from the albums] to warrant releasing) and keep getting these fluffed up mislabeled CDs. I think the only people buying these CDs like Sohoman and Soundmill are people who haven't been warned ahead of time. :( _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 11:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - On 28 Feb 2001 peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: > > From: Rainer Rutka > > Subject: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - > There are machines to 'press' records with an edition > of only one copy - a special service for DJs mostly. But if it's only one copy existing - it's rare, too :-) The soundquality is very good so it's a collictors item . Thank you for your infos BTW... Rainer I'll put some pictures from the disk onto my page during next week. --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 12:22 pm Subject: Original TD items for trade Hi there after checking my TD collection, i found three extra items : Ultima Thule 7' - reissue. L'affaire walraff (original french EMI CD) Legend (original US casette from MCA) if someone is intersted, it's only for trade. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: gmroger@p... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 12:43 pm Subject: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi, As everything seems to have gone a little quiet, I thought about re- activating an old chestnut, but with a considerable re-vamp. Most of you remember the attempt at compiling an 'Eddy & Jerry' Top ten tracks chart, but we barely reached double figures as regards people taking part, It's perhaps because there were too many tracks to choose from, and the number of versions and mixes further added to the confusion. So I think we'll let that one rest (agreed Frank?). Instead, and perhaps to kind of celebrate the imminent release of 'Dream Mixes 3', how about instead compiling the Top Ten albums by Edgar & Jerome? This is surely much simpler. So, how about each of you choosing your Top FIVE Tangerine Dream albums as composed &/or performed by Edgar & Jerome? To clarify which albums are up for qualification, here is the list: Ambient Monkeys The Dream Mixes* Goblins' Club# The Great Wall of China Hollywood Years Volume 1 Hollywood Years Volume 2 Mars Polaris Oasis Quinoa+ Rockoon Rumplestiltskin The Seven Letters of Tibet Timesquare Tournado Transsiberia Turn of the Tides@ 220 Volt Tyranny of Beauty% Valentine Wheels** What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) Zoning$ Notes: *TDI release (i.e. the double CD) #Not the Australian version +TDI release (not the fan club issue with only 'Quinoa') @Release with 'Story of the Brave' %Release with 'Quasar' **Old material, but recorded during the E & J period $It is credited to TD after all, and was recorded during this period, even it is by Edgar Froese All these extra notes are on the basis that most fans have these versions, but if you don't, it doesn't have to stop you voting for it. Five points will be awarded to the number one, four for the number two, and so on, down to one point for number five. For those 'Top fives in no particular order' fans, each album will be awarded three points each. We'll let this one run for a couple of weeks only or until Dream Mixes Three hits the shops. If there's enough votes, I'll get tracks played on my radio programme in three weeks or so. So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: 1 Mars Polaris 2 The Dream Mixes 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) 4 Tournado 5 Oasis This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- consuming! Over to you! Roger Hartopp -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26173 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? bert.hulshoff@d... Thu 3/1/2001 3 KB 26174 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Heiko Heerssen Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26175 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Peter Ravn Thu 3/1/2001 5 KB 26176 Eddy & Jerry List j.gordon Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26177 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Rolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfstr=F6 Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26185 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Dan Oakley Thu 3/1/2001 3 KB 26179 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Utch Entel Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26180 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Brian Stewart Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26181 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Sean Montgomery Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 12:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Here's mine 1 Mars Polaris 2 Timesquares 3 What a blast! 4 Goblin's Club 5 Trans Siberia Bert I love this kind of Charts ;) > ---------- > From: gmroger@p...[SMTP:gmroger@p...] > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 13:43 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > > > So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: > > 1 Mars Polaris > 2 The Dream Mixes > 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) > 4 Tournado > 5 Oasis > > This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- > consuming! Over to you! > > Roger Hartopp > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH%2 > 0my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF m > y address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? My top 5: 1.) Timesquare - Dream mixes 2 2.) Mars Polaris 3.) Oasis 4.) Seven letters from Tibet 5.) Goblins club Heiko From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi; My top five: 1)What A Blast 2)Mars Polaris 3)Oasis 4 )Dream Mixes 1 5) Transiberia Regards, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > Hi, > > As everything seems to have gone a little quiet, I thought about re- > activating an old chestnut, but with a considerable re-vamp. > > Most of you remember the attempt at compiling an 'Eddy & Jerry' > Top ten tracks chart, but we barely reached double figures as > regards people taking part, It's perhaps because there were too > many tracks to choose from, and the number of versions and > mixes further added to the confusion. So I think we'll let that one > rest (agreed Frank?). > > Instead, and perhaps to kind of celebrate the imminent release of > 'Dream Mixes 3', how about instead compiling the Top Ten albums > by Edgar & Jerome? This is surely much simpler. > > So, how about each of you choosing your Top FIVE Tangerine > Dream albums as composed &/or performed by Edgar & Jerome? > To clarify which albums are up for qualification, here is the list: > > Ambient Monkeys The Dream Mixes* > Goblins' Club# The Great Wall of China > Hollywood Years Volume 1 Hollywood Years Volume 2 > Mars Polaris Oasis > Quinoa+ Rockoon > Rumplestiltskin The Seven Letters of Tibet > Timesquare Tournado > Transsiberia Turn of the Tides@ > 220 Volt Tyranny of Beauty% > Valentine Wheels** What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) > Zoning$ > > Notes: *TDI release (i.e. the double CD) > #Not the Australian version > +TDI release (not the fan club issue with only 'Quinoa') > @Release with 'Story of the Brave' > %Release with 'Quasar' > **Old material, but recorded during the E & J period > $It is credited to TD after all, and was recorded during this > period, even it is by Edgar Froese > > All these extra notes are on the basis that most fans have these > versions, but if you don't, it doesn't have to stop you voting for it. > Five points will be awarded to the number one, four for the number > two, and so on, down to one point for number five. For those 'Top > fives in no particular order' fans, each album will be awarded three > points each. We'll let this one run for a couple of weeks only or > until Dream Mixes Three hits the shops. If there's enough votes, I'll > get tracks played on my radio programme in three weeks or so. > > So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: > > 1 Mars Polaris > 2 The Dream Mixes > 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) > 4 Tournado > 5 Oasis > > This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- > consuming! Over to you! > > Roger Hartopp > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 1:10 pm Subject: [tadream] Eddy & Jerry List blah... strangely, i've begun developing a distaste for this era, where before i really liked most of it... it might have something to do with the influx of older material that i consider to be notches above... the more good quality stuff i get, the less the mediocre stuff stands up... sigh... no, i'm not trying to re-re-re-re-re-re-re(at infinitum) open this thread, nor be a flame-magnet... just ruminating as this survey pops up... but here's the list: 1. Oasis 2. Quinoa 3. Goblin's Club 4. Valentine's Wheels 5. Turn of the Tides good luck, roger... i'm interested to see how many people respond... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Rolf Elfström Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? 1. Mars Polaris 2. The Seven Letters of Tibet 3. The Dream Mixes 4. Timesquare 5. The Great Wall of China Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26185 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Dan Oakley Thu 3/1/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 1:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Paul- I bet if you called the bar they'd be happy to accomodate you. Maybe they will extend Happy Hour prices to your party for before and after the show? I'd ask for it. I've done this kind of thing before and a 35-person party is a great boost for a bar (depending on the type- unless it's the kind that is always packed anyway). Bringing 35 patrons means you have a little buying power. Assume the bar would rather you go there than go across the street. Joe > -----Original Message----- > > > If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get > in touch with > > the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or > something :-) > > > > 35 people already... > From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 3:08 pm Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: 1 The Dream Mixes 2 220 Volt 3 Oasis 4 What A Blast 5 Quinoa ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 3:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi Here are my five favourite Edgar & Jerome albums. -- Mars Polaris Timesquare Valentine Wheels The Great Wall of China Rockoon -- Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 4:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Based on the amount to playing time that they've received, and my current willingness to still play them: 1. The Dream Mixes 2. 220 Volt 3. Quinoa 4. Oasis 5. Mars Polaris Sadly, this wasn't a hard decision at all. The only other album I considered including was Rockoon, which I liked at the time of its release but which seems overly cheesy to me now...and its best track - Touchwood - appears in an even better version on Dream Mixes. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Michael V Miller Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest Hi, Here is my take on the titles you mentioned. On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:42:24 EST ohmss76@a... writes: > Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) > > As I said, I picked up some new and old things over the past weeks, > and > wanted to see what others might think of these titles.... > > Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact > that > there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it > someday, I love Soundmill Navigator it is in my top 5 favorite TD CDs. As far as I can tell my copy does not have that sound people have been talking about. I have never heard the original concert so I was not biased when listening to it. I love it. I would be interested in hearing the untouched version but I have no way of doing that. > since I exchanged it for... > Sohoman 1982 Sydney Concert - like this well enough, the two pieces > from > WHITE EAGLE sound the same as on the Virgin album. I was a bit > discouraged to > exchange the above for this, and notice a out of sync rhythm track > on Logos > Part One(track 4). Anyone else catch this? If you listen close(as > everyone > should to TD:) ) it throws the music off a bit:( I haven't listen to this one too much. I like it but I don't know it too well yet. > TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came > from? I > was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? I was > hoping, by > the packaging anyway, that this would be unreleased cues from > STRANGE > BEHAVIOR,THE SOLDIER and other oddities.....wherever the cues > originate from, > its a great listen, and I hear echoes of the 'Virgin' years in many > of these > pieces:):):) I don't have this one so no comment. :-) > Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good > stuff on > here for me to begin! Excellent cd. I love this one. I love their older stuff. > Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was > eaten by an > old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) My favorite CD of theirs. Haven't heard quite like it again. Especially Part II. > Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts > with > this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up > to the > other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. I like Poland a lot. There are some parts that aren't fully exciting but I like it. Mike 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 4:39 pm Subject: Top 5 Ed 'n' Jerry albums Top 5 Ed 'n' Jerry albums (can't come up with 5): 1 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) 2 Mars Polaris 3 The Dream Mixes 4 The Great Wall of China -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest ohmss76@a... wrote: > Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) > > As I said, I picked up some new and old things over the past weeks, and > wanted to see what others might think of these titles.... Morgan already made most of the points that I was going to make about these titles, but it may be helpful if you see similar complaints echoed by more than one fan. > Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact that > there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it someday, > since I exchanged it for... As Morgan pointed out, this 'skip' was a tape flaw on the original recording, and rather than try to remove it, Edgar or whoever was at the TDI controls here just sampled the defect and added it throughout the entire piece, for the sake of 'consistency'. Edgar's insistence upon adding sounds and compositional preferences from the year 2001 on top of music recorded 25 years earlier also results in a mis-matched Frankstein's monster, 9 times out of 10. Furthermore, it ruins the historical relevance of the recordings, and dismisses the contributions of past members of the band. PLUS, in some cases (Sohoman, the 'I-Box'), parts of these 'live' shows are clearly taken right from studio master tapes, a fact which becomes obvious once you've heard actual audience recordings. Of course, most TD fans won't get to hear these recordings, so the band figures that they can get away with it. And I suppose some fans like what the band is doing with these shows, and their willingness to buy the CDs ensures that we'll get more of the same in the future. > TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came from? I > was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? The Hollywood Years releases are a perfect example of 'buyer beware'. When they were announced on the TDI website back in 1998, I was very excited. Here, I suspected, we'd finally get some of the unreleased music that TD composed for 'Hollywood' back in the 80s. I was so excited that I ordered the albums without asking too many questions. Questions like: 'who are the composers of these tracks?', and 'what movies are these songs from, anyway?' This would be useful information to have, don't you think? I mean, not every TD fan likes everything TD has done over the course of the band's 30 year history. And you'd think that the band would give potential buyers a bit of information that would help them to decide if this music was from an TD era that they're partial to. But no. No info at all, just track titles. And so, it's my own fault that I shelled out 20 bucks American for each of these discs, only to find that it all sounded like pieces left off of Tyranny of Beauty for being 'too weak'. It's all Edgar and Jerome, all the time, even though the only movie soundtrack they've released is 'Zoning' (I'm not including Oasis, What a Blast, or Jim and Pablo). And they can justify this by saying, 'oh, I wrote Propeller Beach after watching Apocalypse Now last weekend. It was 'an imaginary soundtrack, man'. Now, I know that a couple of the tracks here really were from movies...someone mentioned Legend, for instance. But most of it has been so heavilly overdubbed that it all just becomes another standard 90s TD album. Anyway, the band is making things easier for fans unsure about what they'll be getting in a new TDI release, in that they're just overdubbing *everything*. This is an attempt to make everything they've even composed sound like their current work, because since Edgar sees himself as the world leader in electronic music innovation, he must protect his street cred by making all of TDs crappy old stuff 'innovative', like their new stuff...right? So anyway, if you *like* their current sound, you can feel free to buy everything TDI puts out, content with the knowledge that you'll enjoy it. > Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good stuff on > here for me to begin! This was the only TDI release of recent years that I really enjoyed, because they left most of the tracks alone! Now, was that really so hard to do? > Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was eaten by an > old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) One of TD's finest moments. > Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with > this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to the > other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. There is a lot of meandering bits on Poland, but what's good on that album is *really* good. Side One is right up there with Tangram Part One and Ricochet Part 2 in my list of TDs best long compositions. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Dan Oakley Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 5:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? 1)Mars Polaris 2) Melrose 3) Stratosfear 4) Optical Race Still working on my TD collection. I got in on Phaedra, Stratosfear, and Rubycon while very young, then more or less lost track until just a couple of years ago. Boy, do those older CD's still bring a stirring in my soul! Dan --- Rolf Elfström wrote: > 1. Mars Polaris > 2. The Seven Letters of Tibet > 3. The Dream Mixes > 4. Timesquare > 5. The Great Wall of China > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 6:15 pm Subject: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show Hi all here is my top 5 1.Mars Polaris 2.Goblin's Club 3.Oasis 4.Dream Mixes 5.Timesquare DM 2 Cheers Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26187 Re: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show Joe Shoults Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB 26188 Re: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show James E. Jacoby Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 6:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show > 1.Goblin's Club > 2.Oasis > 3.Mars Polaris > 4.Ambient Monkeys > 5.Dream Mixes From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show My top 5 Edgar & Jerome albums: 1) Goblin's Club 2) Mars Polaris 3) Dream Mixes 4) 220 Volt Live 5) Great Wall of China James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 7:11 pm Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Hey Dreamwatchers, Thanks to all those who made this happen. This one of the faster trees I've participated in. The music is great, I love the way each song blends into the next. Its amazing that TD has inspired and attracted so many creative artists. I am not able to list my favorites yet as some of the songs have become more intimate to me the more I listen. I'm looking forward to spending more time with this collection. Thanks again, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 6:47 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Oh God no, I feel awkward enough wearing a 'Great Wall of China' t-shirt! Paul ---------- >De : 'Conrad Gibbons' >À : >Objet : RE: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! >Date : Jeu 1 mars 2001 2:47 > > Hi everyone!!!!! > > Maybe we should be really organised and wear Name badges???? ;-) > > Regards, > > Conrad > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gert Jalass [mailto:gjalass@b...] > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:37 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Fw: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > > Hmm, > > drink if it's non-alc only ;-) > > They did quit drinking, smoking and eating meat. > > Gert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'David Foster' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > >> Come on Edgar, Jerome and gang......join us for a drink. >> >> David >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Paul Fellows >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with >> the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) >> >> 35 people already... >> >> Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) >> Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) >> Craig Cordrey (UK) >> David Foster (UK) >> Duncan McKee (UK) >> Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) >> Geir Smedsrud (Norway) >> Glynn Naughton (France) >> Heiko Heerssen (Germany) >> Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) >> James Williams + 1 friend (UK) >> Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) >> Lawry Simm (USA) >> Marion (UK) >> Matthew Stringer (UK) >> Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) >> Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) >> Paul Fellows (France) >> Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) >> Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) >> Rainer Rutka (Germany) >> Ray (UK) >> Richard (UK?) >> Roger Hartopp (Poland) >> Steve Jenkins (UK) >> >> cheers >> >> Paul >> >> Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >> artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >> included in the distribution tree: >> As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >> > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m >> y address is: >> >> As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >> > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% >> 20address is: >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: >> As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: >> >> As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 7:41 pm Subject: ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... Hi all, I've just joined, I'm a big space music/ambient fan and rediscovered my love of TD in the last year. > Still working on my TD collection. I got in on Phaedra, Stratosfear, > and Rubycon while very young, then more or less lost track until just > a couple of years ago. Boy, do those older CD's still bring a > stirring in my soul! While I've had loads of TD CDs old and new for ages, many of the albums particularly about 79/80 for some reason I tended to dismiss and not listen to. So, I've just listened to Force Majeure today for the first time and it's stunning. The addition of the drummer provides throbbing quality that enhances the pulsing flow of TD music. The music is starting to show the signs of the structuring that came in the 80s yet is still wildly oscillating. There are tape/samples and wolf like howling synths. Magical stuff!!! cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26194 Re: ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... j.gordon Thu 3/1/2001 2 KB From: herold.u@t... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 7:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi dreamers, here is my TOP 5: 1. Mars Polaris 2. Goblins Club 3. Great Wall Of China 4. Oasis 5. The Seven Letters From Tibet dream on, Uwe From: herold.u@t... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 7:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] More collectable items Hi all, today i received a small packet from 'synth music direct' with the original 'Theta'-release of Johannes Schmoelling's 'the zoo of tranquillity'. Many thanks Antonio ;-) cheers, Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Antonio Nunes' To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: [tadream] More collectable items > Synth Music Direct http://www.synthmusicdirect.com has also a few > collectable items on their second hand list, including: > > Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer (MRCD7030) > > Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquility (Original version CD) > > Tangerine Dream - The Keep (ultra rare original CD in black card wallet) > > > > Antonio Nunes > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 8:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... welcome Mark!! j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 8:58 pm Subject: RE: The Return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi, my Top Five: 1. Mars Polaris 2. What a blast? 3. Transsiberia 4. Dream Mixes 1 5. Tournado all the best heiko burg germany www.opticaldream.de/dream [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26197 The Return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Feldon Feldon Thu 3/1/2001 3 KB From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 9:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 811 My top 5 from the given list - in no particular order: Valentine Wheels 220 Volt Quinoa Tyranny of Beauty Mars Polaris I do love the live stuff! -----Original Message----- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tadream@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:38 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 811 Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Re: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - From: Rainer Rutka 2. Original TD items for trade From: 'Yannick EDOM' 3. The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: gmroger@p... 4. RE: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: bert.hulshoff@d... 5. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: Heiko Heerssen 6. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: 'Peter Ravn' 7. Eddy & Jerry List From: 'j.gordon' 8. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: Rolf Elfström 9. RE: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! From: Joe Shoults 10. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: 'Utch Entel' 11. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: 'Brian Stewart' 12. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: Sean Montgomery 13. Re: Latest and Greatest From: Michael V Miller 14. Top 5 Ed 'n' Jerry albums From: scfeldman@j... 15. Re: Latest and Greatest From: Sean Montgomery 16. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: Dan Oakley 17. Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show From: 'Gary Jenkins' 18. RE: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show From: Joe Shoults 19. Re: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show From: 'James E. Jacoby' 20. DREAMWATCHERS' TALES From: 'Whiteley, Steve' 21. Re : Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! From: 'Paul Fellows' 22. ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... From: 'Mark Coyle' 23. Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? From: herold.u@t... 24. Re: More collectable items From: herold.u@t... 25. Re: ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... From: 'j.gordon' ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:18:26 -0100 (MEZ) From: Rainer Rutka Subject: Re: Re: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - On 28 Feb 2001 peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: > > From: Rainer Rutka > > Subject: Waiter On The Dance - QUESTION - > There are machines to 'press' records with an edition > of only one copy - a special service for DJs mostly. But if it's only one copy existing - it's rare, too :-) The soundquality is very good so it's a collictors item . Thank you for your infos BTW... Rainer I'll put some pictures from the disk onto my page during next week. --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:22:08 +0100 From: 'Yannick EDOM' Subject: Original TD items for trade Hi there after checking my TD collection, i found three extra items : Ultima Thule 7' - reissue. L'affaire walraff (original french EMI CD) Legend (original US casette from MCA) if someone is intersted, it's only for trade. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:43:10 +0100 From: gmroger@p... Subject: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi, As everything seems to have gone a little quiet, I thought about re- activating an old chestnut, but with a considerable re-vamp. Most of you remember the attempt at compiling an 'Eddy & Jerry' Top ten tracks chart, but we barely reached double figures as regards people taking part, It's perhaps because there were too many tracks to choose from, and the number of versions and mixes further added to the confusion. So I think we'll let that one rest (agreed Frank?). Instead, and perhaps to kind of celebrate the imminent release of 'Dream Mixes 3', how about instead compiling the Top Ten albums by Edgar & Jerome? This is surely much simpler. So, how about each of you choosing your Top FIVE Tangerine Dream albums as composed &/or performed by Edgar & Jerome? To clarify which albums are up for qualification, here is the list: Ambient Monkeys The Dream Mixes* Goblins' Club# The Great Wall of China Hollywood Years Volume 1 Hollywood Years Volume 2 Mars Polaris Oasis Quinoa+ Rockoon Rumplestiltskin The Seven Letters of Tibet Timesquare Tournado Transsiberia Turn of the Tides@ 220 Volt Tyranny of Beauty% Valentine Wheels** What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) Zoning$ Notes: *TDI release (i.e. the double CD) #Not the Australian version +TDI release (not the fan club issue with only 'Quinoa') @Release with 'Story of the Brave' %Release with 'Quasar' **Old material, but recorded during the E & J period $It is credited to TD after all, and was recorded during this period, even it is by Edgar Froese All these extra notes are on the basis that most fans have these versions, but if you don't, it doesn't have to stop you voting for it. Five points will be awarded to the number one, four for the number two, and so on, down to one point for number five. For those 'Top fives in no particular order' fans, each album will be awarded three points each. We'll let this one run for a couple of weeks only or until Dream Mixes Three hits the shops. If there's enough votes, I'll get tracks played on my radio programme in three weeks or so. So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: 1 Mars Polaris 2 The Dream Mixes 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) 4 Tournado 5 Oasis This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- consuming! Over to you! Roger Hartopp -- ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:48:47 +0100 From: bert.hulshoff@d... Subject: RE: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Here's mine 1 Mars Polaris 2 Timesquares 3 What a blast! 4 Goblin's Club 5 Trans Siberia Bert I love this kind of Charts ;) > ---------- > From: gmroger@p...[SMTP:gmroger@p...] > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 13:43 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > > > So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: > > 1 Mars Polaris > 2 The Dream Mixes > 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) > 4 Tournado > 5 Oasis > > This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- > consuming! Over to you! > > Roger Hartopp > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH%2 > 0my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF m > y address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 13:56:18 +0100 From: Heiko Heerssen Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? My top 5: 1.) Timesquare - Dream mixes 2 2.) Mars Polaris 3.) Oasis 4.) Seven letters from Tibet 5.) Goblins club Heiko ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:00:00 +0100 From: 'Peter Ravn' Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi; My top five: 1)What A Blast 2)Mars Polaris 3)Oasis 4 )Dream Mixes 1 5) Transiberia Regards, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > Hi, > > As everything seems to have gone a little quiet, I thought about re- > activating an old chestnut, but with a considerable re-vamp. > > Most of you remember the attempt at compiling an 'Eddy & Jerry' > Top ten tracks chart, but we barely reached double figures as > regards people taking part, It's perhaps because there were too > many tracks to choose from, and the number of versions and > mixes further added to the confusion. So I think we'll let that one > rest (agreed Frank?). > > Instead, and perhaps to kind of celebrate the imminent release of > 'Dream Mixes 3', how about instead compiling the Top Ten albums > by Edgar & Jerome? This is surely much simpler. > > So, how about each of you choosing your Top FIVE Tangerine > Dream albums as composed &/or performed by Edgar & Jerome? > To clarify which albums are up for qualification, here is the list: > > Ambient Monkeys The Dream Mixes* > Goblins' Club# The Great Wall of China > Hollywood Years Volume 1 Hollywood Years Volume 2 > Mars Polaris Oasis > Quinoa+ Rockoon > Rumplestiltskin The Seven Letters of Tibet > Timesquare Tournado > Transsiberia Turn of the Tides@ > 220 Volt Tyranny of Beauty% > Valentine Wheels** What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) > Zoning$ > > Notes: *TDI release (i.e. the double CD) > #Not the Australian version > +TDI release (not the fan club issue with only 'Quinoa') > @Release with 'Story of the Brave' > %Release with 'Quasar' > **Old material, but recorded during the E & J period > $It is credited to TD after all, and was recorded during this > period, even it is by Edgar Froese > > All these extra notes are on the basis that most fans have these > versions, but if you don't, it doesn't have to stop you voting for it. > Five points will be awarded to the number one, four for the number > two, and so on, down to one point for number five. For those 'Top > fives in no particular order' fans, each album will be awarded three > points each. We'll let this one run for a couple of weeks only or > until Dream Mixes Three hits the shops. If there's enough votes, I'll > get tracks played on my radio programme in three weeks or so. > > So, here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: > > 1 Mars Polaris > 2 The Dream Mixes > 3 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) > 4 Tournado > 5 Oasis > > This is probably the last time I do this kind of chart as it's so time- > consuming! Over to you! > > Roger Hartopp > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:10:49 -0800 (PST) From: 'j.gordon' Subject: Eddy & Jerry List blah... strangely, i've begun developing a distaste for this era, where before i really liked most of it... it might have something to do with the influx of older material that i consider to be notches above... the more good quality stuff i get, the less the mediocre stuff stands up... sigh... no, i'm not trying to re-re-re-re-re-re-re(at infinitum) open this thread, nor be a flame-magnet... just ruminating as this survey pops up... but here's the list: 1. Oasis 2. Quinoa 3. Goblin's Club 4. Valentine's Wheels 5. Turn of the Tides good luck, roger... i'm interested to see how many people respond... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 14:14:58 +0100 From: Rolf Elfström Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? 1. Mars Polaris 2. The Seven Letters of Tibet 3. The Dream Mixes 4. Timesquare 5. The Great Wall of China ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:56:05 -0500 From: Joe Shoults Subject: RE: Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Paul- I bet if you called the bar they'd be happy to accomodate you. Maybe they will extend Happy Hour prices to your party for before and after the show? I'd ask for it. I've done this kind of thing before and a 35-person party is a great boost for a bar (depending on the type- unless it's the kind that is always packed anyway). Bringing 35 patrons means you have a little buying power. Assume the bar would rather you go there than go across the street. Joe > -----Original Message----- > > > If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get > in touch with > > the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or > something :-) > > > > 35 people already... > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 08:08:22 -0700 From: 'Utch Entel' Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Here's my top five Edgar & Jerome albums: 1 The Dream Mixes 2 220 Volt 3 Oasis 4 What A Blast 5 Quinoa ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:32:45 -0000 From: 'Brian Stewart' Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi Here are my five favourite Edgar & Jerome albums. -- Mars Polaris Timesquare Valentine Wheels The Great Wall of China Rockoon -- Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:13:45 -0500 From: Sean Montgomery Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Based on the amount to playing time that they've received, and my current willingness to still play them: 1. The Dream Mixes 2. 220 Volt 3. Quinoa 4. Oasis 5. Mars Polaris Sadly, this wasn't a hard decision at all. The only other album I considered including was Rockoon, which I liked at the time of its release but which seems overly cheesy to me now...and its best track - Touchwood - appears in an even better version on Dream Mixes. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:36:20 -0500 From: Michael V Miller Subject: Re: Latest and Greatest Hi, Here is my take on the titles you mentioned. On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:42:24 EST ohmss76@a... writes: > Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) > > As I said, I picked up some new and old things over the past weeks, > and > wanted to see what others might think of these titles.... > > Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact > that > there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it > someday, I love Soundmill Navigator it is in my top 5 favorite TD CDs. As far as I can tell my copy does not have that sound people have been talking about. I have never heard the original concert so I was not biased when listening to it. I love it. I would be interested in hearing the untouched version but I have no way of doing that. > since I exchanged it for... > Sohoman 1982 Sydney Concert - like this well enough, the two pieces > from > WHITE EAGLE sound the same as on the Virgin album. I was a bit > discouraged to > exchange the above for this, and notice a out of sync rhythm track > on Logos > Part One(track 4). Anyone else catch this? If you listen close(as > everyone > should to TD:) ) it throws the music off a bit:( I haven't listen to this one too much. I like it but I don't know it too well yet. > TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came > from? I > was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? I was > hoping, by > the packaging anyway, that this would be unreleased cues from > STRANGE > BEHAVIOR,THE SOLDIER and other oddities.....wherever the cues > originate from, > its a great listen, and I hear echoes of the 'Virgin' years in many > of these > pieces:):):) I don't have this one so no comment. :-) > Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good > stuff on > here for me to begin! Excellent cd. I love this one. I love their older stuff. > Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was > eaten by an > old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) My favorite CD of theirs. Haven't heard quite like it again. Especially Part II. > Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts > with > this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up > to the > other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. I like Poland a lot. There are some parts that aren't fully exciting but I like it. Mike 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:39:29 -0500 From: scfeldman@j... Subject: Top 5 Ed 'n' Jerry albums Top 5 Ed 'n' Jerry albums (can't come up with 5): 1 Timesquare (Dream Mixes two) 2 Mars Polaris 3 The Dream Mixes 4 The Great Wall of China -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 12:32:16 -0500 From: Sean Montgomery Subject: Re: Latest and Greatest ohmss76@a... wrote: > Thanks to all for the warm welcome:) > > As I said, I picked up some new and old things over the past weeks, and > wanted to see what others might think of these titles.... Morgan already made most of the points that I was going to make about these titles, but it may be helpful if you see similar complaints echoed by more than one fan. > Soundmill Navigator - played this once, loved it aside from the fact that > there was a 'skip' through the whole disc! Ill have to rebuy it someday, > since I exchanged it for... As Morgan pointed out, this 'skip' was a tape flaw on the original recording, and rather than try to remove it, Edgar or whoever was at the TDI controls here just sampled the defect and added it throughout the entire piece, for the sake of 'consistency'. Edgar's insistence upon adding sounds and compositional preferences from the year 2001 on top of music recorded 25 years earlier also results in a mis-matched Frankstein's monster, 9 times out of 10. Furthermore, it ruins the historical relevance of the recordings, and dismisses the contributions of past members of the band. PLUS, in some cases (Sohoman, the 'I-Box'), parts of these 'live' shows are clearly taken right from studio master tapes, a fact which becomes obvious once you've heard actual audience recordings. Of course, most TD fans won't get to hear these recordings, so the band figures that they can get away with it. And I suppose some fans like what the band is doing with these shows, and their willingness to buy the CDs ensures that we'll get more of the same in the future. > TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came from? I > was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? The Hollywood Years releases are a perfect example of 'buyer beware'. When they were announced on the TDI website back in 1998, I was very excited. Here, I suspected, we'd finally get some of the unreleased music that TD composed for 'Hollywood' back in the 80s. I was so excited that I ordered the albums without asking too many questions. Questions like: 'who are the composers of these tracks?', and 'what movies are these songs from, anyway?' This would be useful information to have, don't you think? I mean, not every TD fan likes everything TD has done over the course of the band's 30 year history. And you'd think that the band would give potential buyers a bit of information that would help them to decide if this music was from an TD era that they're partial to. But no. No info at all, just track titles. And so, it's my own fault that I shelled out 20 bucks American for each of these discs, only to find that it all sounded like pieces left off of Tyranny of Beauty for being 'too weak'. It's all Edgar and Jerome, all the time, even though the only movie soundtrack they've released is 'Zoning' (I'm not including Oasis, What a Blast, or Jim and Pablo). And they can justify this by saying, 'oh, I wrote Propeller Beach after watching Apocalypse Now last weekend. It was 'an imaginary soundtrack, man'. Now, I know that a couple of the tracks here really were from movies...someone mentioned Legend, for instance. But most of it has been so heavilly overdubbed that it all just becomes another standard 90s TD album. Anyway, the band is making things easier for fans unsure about what they'll be getting in a new TDI release, in that they're just overdubbing *everything*. This is an attempt to make everything they've even composed sound like their current work, because since Edgar sees himself as the world leader in electronic music innovation, he must protect his street cred by making all of TDs crappy old stuff 'innovative', like their new stuff...right? So anyway, if you *like* their current sound, you can feel free to buy everything TDI puts out, content with the knowledge that you'll enjoy it. > Antique Dreams - what can I say? Its incredible....too much good stuff on > here for me to begin! This was the only TDI release of recent years that I really enjoyed, because they left most of the tracks alone! Now, was that really so hard to do? > Ricochet - ten years later I replaced my cass. of this, which was eaten by an > old tape player so long ago...we all know this is good right? ;) One of TD's finest moments. > Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with > this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to the > other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. There is a lot of meandering bits on Poland, but what's good on that album is *really* good. Side One is right up there with Tangram Part One and Ricochet Part 2 in my list of TDs best long compositions. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:57:38 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Oakley Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? 1)Mars Polaris 2) Melrose 3) Stratosfear 4) Optical Race Still working on my TD collection. I got in on Phaedra, Stratosfear, and Rubycon while very young, then more or less lost track until just a couple of years ago. Boy, do those older CD's still bring a stirring in my soul! Dan --- Rolf Elfström wrote: > 1. Mars Polaris > 2. The Seven Letters of Tibet > 3. The Dream Mixes > 4. Timesquare > 5. The Great Wall of China > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! 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Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 18:15:58 -0000 From: 'Gary Jenkins' Subject: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show Hi all here is my top 5 1.Mars Polaris 2.Goblin's Club 3.Oasis 4.Dream Mixes 5.Timesquare DM 2 Cheers Gary. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:22:16 -0500 From: Joe Shoults Subject: RE: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show > 1.Goblin's Club > 2.Oasis > 3.Mars Polaris > 4.Ambient Monkeys > 5.Dream Mixes ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:46:12 -0800 (PST) From: 'James E. Jacoby' Subject: Re: Re.The Return of the Eddy and Jerry Show My top 5 Edgar & Jerome albums: 1) Goblin's Club 2) Mars Polaris 3) Dream Mixes 4) 220 Volt Live 5) Great Wall of China James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:11:52 -0800 From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Subject: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES Hey Dreamwatchers, Thanks to all those who made this happen. This one of the faster trees I've participated in. The music is great, I love the way each song blends into the next. Its amazing that TD has inspired and attracted so many creative artists. I am not able to list my favorites yet as some of the songs have become more intimate to me the more I listen. I'm looking forward to spending more time with this collection. Thanks again, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:47:41 +0100 From: 'Paul Fellows' Subject: Re : Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! Oh God no, I feel awkward enough wearing a 'Great Wall of China' t-shirt! Paul ---------- >De : 'Conrad Gibbons' >À : >Objet : RE: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! >Date : Jeu 1 mars 2001 2:47 > > Hi everyone!!!!! > > Maybe we should be really organised and wear Name badges???? ;-) > > Regards, > > Conrad > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gert Jalass [mailto:gjalass@b...] > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:37 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Fw: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > > Hmm, > > drink if it's non-alc only ;-) > > They did quit drinking, smoking and eating meat. > > Gert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'David Foster' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! > > >> Come on Edgar, Jerome and gang......join us for a drink. >> >> David >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Paul Fellows >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with >> the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) >> >> 35 people already... >> >> Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) >> Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) >> Craig Cordrey (UK) >> David Foster (UK) >> Duncan McKee (UK) >> Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) >> Geir Smedsrud (Norway) >> Glynn Naughton (France) >> Heiko Heerssen (Germany) >> Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) >> James Williams + 1 friend (UK) >> Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) >> Lawry Simm (USA) >> Marion (UK) >> Matthew Stringer (UK) >> Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) >> Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) >> Paul Fellows (France) >> Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) >> Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) >> Rainer Rutka (Germany) >> Ray (UK) >> Richard (UK?) >> Roger Hartopp (Poland) >> Steve Jenkins (UK) >> >> cheers >> >> Paul >> >> Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List >> artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be >> included in the distribution tree: >> As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: >> > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m >> y address is: >> >> As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: >> > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% >> 20address is: >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: >> As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: >> >> As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:41:21 -0000 From: 'Mark Coyle' Subject: ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... Hi all, I've just joined, I'm a big space music/ambient fan and rediscovered my love of TD in the last year. > Still working on my TD collection. I got in on Phaedra, Stratosfear, > and Rubycon while very young, then more or less lost track until just > a couple of years ago. Boy, do those older CD's still bring a > stirring in my soul! While I've had loads of TD CDs old and new for ages, many of the albums particularly about 79/80 for some reason I tended to dismiss and not listen to. So, I've just listened to Force Majeure today for the first time and it's stunning. The addition of the drummer provides throbbing quality that enhances the pulsing flow of TD music. The music is starting to show the signs of the structuring that came in the 80s yet is still wildly oscillating. There are tape/samples and wolf like howling synths. Magical stuff!!! cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:44:03 +0100 From: herold.u@t... Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Hi dreamers, here is my TOP 5: 1. Mars Polaris 2. Goblins Club 3. Great Wall Of China 4. Oasis 5. The Seven Letters From Tibet dream on, Uwe ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 24 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:52:57 +0100 From: herold.u@t... Subject: Re: More collectable items Hi all, today i received a small packet from 'synth music direct' with the original 'Theta'-release of Johannes Schmoelling's 'the zoo of tranquillity'. Many thanks Antonio ;-) cheers, Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Antonio Nunes' To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: [tadream] More collectable items > Synth Music Direct http://www.synthmusicdirect.com has also a few > collectable items on their second hand list, including: > > Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer (MRCD7030) > > Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquility (Original version CD) > > Tangerine Dream - The Keep (ultra rare original CD in black card wallet) > > > > Antonio Nunes > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 25 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:38:00 -0800 (PST) From: 'j.gordon' Subject: Re: ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... welcome Mark!! j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 10:06 pm Subject: The Return of the Eddy & Jerry show? Just to rock the boat, I am going to reject the notion that Edgar and Jerome have put out one CD in the last 15 years which has entirely memorable tracks cover-to-cover. I am, however, going to put up a list of 12 tracks over the last 12 years which I think Edgar and Jerome have reached me with. Listed in no particular order: 1. Zoning(96) - The Conspiracy (opening theme) 2. Oasis - Waterbourne 3. Oasis - Flashflood 4. Dream Mixes - Little Blonde in the Park of Attractions 5. Dream Mixes UK - Sojus 6. Dream Mixes - Firetongues (The Break Freak Mix) 7. Dream Mixes - Touchwood* 8. Goblin's Club - Towards the Evening Star 9. TimeSquare - Jungle Jacula 10. Logos Blue 88 11. Mars Polaris - Comet's Figurehead 12. i-Box - Longing for Cashba** (Werner-Seelenbinder theme) An honorable mention must go to Dream Mixes, TimeSquare, and 220 Volt. If I had to pick -Morgan P.S. You'll notice I've included a Zoning track, even though I have made several disparaging comments about the CD. In most cases, I ignored the source and just listened to the music. *ideally the Dreaming on Danforth Ave 92 live version **Edgar kind of ruined the Longing for Cashba scene by cutting off the 30 second intro and the last 2 minutes. The sax is not entirely unwelcome. This is all compared to the original 1990 concert series. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 10:12 pm Subject: Re: DREAMWATCHERS' TALES 2 DWT 2 sounds good to me--I've a track to submit if I can find it. --teiwaz (ot--anyone going to porcupine tree the night after TD at SBE?) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 9:54 pm Subject: Re: Hollywood years Right after Hollywood years came out we (the list) gave our opinions on where each of the tracks on both volumes were likely to have come from or been unused cues from. I have changed computers several times since then and can't seem to locate the latest compiled version of the general consensus for these. I've also scanned the available archives and no luck there. This would have been after Dream Dice came out, but prior to the closing down of the UWP mailing list. If anyone has that available, could you please repost it? Thanks, James -----Original Message----- From: ohmss76@a... Subject: Latest and Greatest TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - does anyone know where these 'cues' came from? I was unware that Jerome and Edgar had done any film work yet? I was hoping, by the packaging anyway, that this would be unreleased cues from STRANGE BEHAVIOR,THE SOLDIER and other oddities.....wherever the cues originate from, its a great listen, and I hear echoes of the 'Virgin' years in many of these pieces:):):) From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 10:34 pm Subject: Welcome + ? Hi all, many thanks for the kind welcome. Here's an enquiry, apart from Edgar Frose solo albums which I know well, what are the ten best solo albums by other TD members that are recommended (excluding Klaus Schulze which of course would be a list all on its own)? I've ordered a load of Chris Franke, Peter Baumann, Johannes Schmoelling and so on and and wondered what more informed people on the list would list of these. I've got the MIchael Hoenig album (and the one with Gottsching), is he considered an ex-member as he only played live rather than recorded? Many kind thanks cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: pw098@a... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 1:38 am Subject: Top five from the Froese's Here's my top 5. 1) Mars Polaris 2) Turn of the Tides 3) The Seven Letters of Tibet 4) Tournado 5) 220 Volt -Bob Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26206 Re: Top five from the Froese's Piotr Sulkowski II Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26228 Re: Top five from the Froese's Lord Rayden Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26211 Re: Top five from the Froese's Michal Moroz Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26214 Re: Top five from the Froese's Antonio Nunes Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26235 Top five from the Froese's Poul Erik Sat 3/3/2001 2 KB 26326 Re: Top five from the Froese's Steve Yensen Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 8:07 am Subject: half off topic: TD for Processor Hi all, you can tell that I'm getting desperate. I have been looking in vain for a replacement processor for my PC. So I'll try it here. I'll compensate in cash and/or TD rarities from my swaplist ! What I need is an Intel Pentium III Katmai 600 MHz, Slot 1, 100 MHz FSB, used or new, preferrably with cooler. The Katmai is the older, no longer manufactured version, and can be discerned by it's core voltage of 2.05 V and 512 kB Cache. The newer 'Coppermine' can be found easily, it needs 1.65V, which my board can't do... hope someone can help cheers, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-171-7338969 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 9:28 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] ..older CDs still bring a stirring...... Hi Mark, velcome to the list. Enjoy.. Poul > Hi all, > > I've just joined, I'm a big space music/ambient fan and rediscovered my love of TD in > the last year. From: gmroger@p... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 10:03 am Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show ________________________________________________________________________ > From: Dan Oakley > Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > > 1)Mars Polaris > 2) Melrose > 3) Stratosfear > 4) Optical Race Hi Dan! Unfortunately, with the exception of Mars Polaris, you've chosen albums during the Eddy/Jerry/Pauly, Eddy/Chrissie/Pete & eddy/Pauly eras. Have another go! From the last digest, already fourteen of you have voted! As you all may have guessed, we have a clear leader; the next four only have five points seperating them, and these five in turn appear to be clear of the rest. But there's 400 of you out there... if you all care to get out of lurk mode! I'm off for the weekend so I won't have the chance to update the chart until Monday, but keep them coming. Incidentally, two queries have emerged... should we be including in the selection 'Jim & Pablo' and the other CD given with the 'Millenium Booster'? (neither of which I possess, I'm afraid.) My own thoughts are we should stick to the CD's that have been generally available to everyone (if you can find shops that stock them, of course!) :) Roger -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26205 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show Matthew Sawyer Fri 3/2/2001 3 KB 26207 Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show Dan Oakley Fri 3/2/2001 4 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 10:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show From: > But there's 400 of you out there... if you all care to > get out of lurk mode! Alright, alright! (stares long and hard at his CD collection) Bloody hell, this is a tough one... (stares again) Er... can we include concert tapes? ;-) OK, my top 5. Or rather the least worst: 1) Dream Encores (just for the first track. The rest was awful) 2) What a Blast. (just for 'Beauty of the Blast'. The rest was dull) 3) Dream Mixes 2. (just for 'Mobocaster'. Anyone else see a pattern forming here?) 4) Mars Polaris. (I still don't get what all the fuss was about over this album). 5) Sony Center Score. (not widely available I know, but I can't think of any other ones I liked!) Maff ________________________________________ matthewsawyer@b... http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 11:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's Hi, my Top Five: 1. The Seven Letters of Tibet 2. 220 Volt 3. Tournado 4. Transsiberia 5. Mars Polaris Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium -------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A--------------------- Szukasz wiedzy? 85 tysiecy uaktualnianych ciagle hasel. Encyklopedia Internautica: http://encyklopedia.interia.pl/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26228 Re: Top five from the Froese's Lord Rayden Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB From: Dan Oakley Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show Seeing the 'Eddy & Jerry show' listings has given me some clear direction on what to purchase next. Thanks to all who have given their input. Dan --- gmroger@p... wrote: > ________________________________________________________________________ > > From: Dan Oakley > > Subject: Re: The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? > > > > 1)Mars Polaris > > 2) Melrose > > 3) Stratosfear > > 4) Optical Race > > Hi Dan! Unfortunately, with the exception of Mars Polaris, you've > chosen albums during the Eddy/Jerry/Pauly, Eddy/Chrissie/Pete & > eddy/Pauly eras. Have another go! > > From the last digest, already fourteen of you have voted! As you > all > may have guessed, we have a clear leader; the next four only have > five points seperating them, and these five in turn appear to be > clear of the rest. But there's 400 of you out there... if you all > care to > get out of lurk mode! > > I'm off for the weekend so I won't have the chance to update the > chart until Monday, but keep them coming. > > Incidentally, two queries have emerged... should we be including in > > the selection 'Jim & Pablo' and the other CD given with the > 'Millenium Booster'? (neither of which I possess, I'm afraid.) My > own thoughts are we should stick to the CD's that have been > generally available to everyone (if you can find shops that stock > them, of course!) :) > > Roger > > > -- > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom > Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 1:58 pm Subject: The Return of the Eddy & Jerry show and Welcome + ? It's always hard to rank music and with 90's TD it's extremely hard. Here is an attempt but it is actually only the first two that I play somewhat regularly:* 1) What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) 2) Oasis 3) Ambient Monkeys 4) Goblins' Club# 5) Mars Polaris * I haven't heard Valentine Wheels, Tournado, Zoning and Rumpelstiltskin. 'Mark Coyle' wrote: >I've ordered a load of Chris Franke, Peter Baumann, Johannes Schmoelling and so on >and and wondered what more informed people on the list would list of these. I've got >the MIchael Hoenig album (and the one with Gottsching), is he considered an ex-member >as he only played live rather than recorded? I don't have a complete collection so others will have to fill in. Just a few hints: Schmoelling: Wuivend Riet is still my favourite Baumann: Romance 76 (I'm fairly convinced that's the only one you need from him) Francke: I'm not so impressed of his work but there are some good albums. The London Concert isn´t a bad choice. Hoenig: Departure from the Northern Wastelands, X-cept one. Both are great! Hope that helps. Bye now, Olle From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 2:11 pm Subject: north american tour 2001 speculation north american tour 2001 speculation am I the only one that's antsy about the silence on the purported north american 2001 tour? --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26212 Re: north american tour 2001 speculation Joe Shoults Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 2:27 pm Subject: Online reservation for TD concert October 7th, Bernau Hi folks, you can place an online ticket order for TD's concert in the German town of Bernau (near Berlin) on Sunday, October 7th, 2001 (the first part of their Dante's 'Inferno' trilogy) The URL is at http://www.altemusik.de/ (click on 'Reservierung', unfortunately for some of you it's all in German language) I haven't got a reply from the organizer yet (I sent out my e-mail just a few minutes ago) , but I wonder why there has been no information about the availability of tickets from the official TD side....? Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26398 Re: Online reservation for TD concert October 7th j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's Greetings from orbit :) my Top Five Daddy and Son 1) Goblin's Club 2) Mars Polaris 3) Timesquare 4) Quinoa 5) Valentine Wheels Michal Moroz aka Space Station Mir From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 3:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] north american tour 2001 speculation well, the word is that they are 'very confident', but you shouldn't get all upset if it doesn't happen. I'm confident that they WANT to make it happen and will if they can. > -----Original Message----- > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 9:11 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; teiwazbarana@h... > Subject: [tadream] north american tour 2001 speculation > > > north american tour 2001 speculation > > am I the only one that's antsy about the silence on the > purported north > american 2001 tour? > > --teiwaz From: 'koulos' Date: Thu Mar 1, 2001 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the Eddy & Jerry show? 1 220 Volt 2 What A Blast! (Architecture in Motion) 3 The Dream Mixes 4 Goblins' Club [if it considered to be a eddy and jerome thing count as my number 5 Dream Dice [inclubing the bonus track ca va- ca marche-ca ira encore] or else 5 Mars Polaris all the best to this countdown kostas from Greece From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 4:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's Here's my top 5: 1) Valentine Wheels 2) Turn of the Tides 3) Rumpelstiltskin 4) Quinoa 5) Oasis But if I could choose any album released in the last 10 years, I would vote for 'Antique Dreams', 'Dream Encores', 'Soundmill Navigator' and 'Sohoman' (I don't mind the 'tangentizing'), and 'Valentine Wheels'. Antonio Nunes From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 2:22 am Subject: TD colllectables on e-bay Hi everyone, In case anyone was unaware, there are now only a couple of days to go in the e-bay auction for these two TD collectables..... 1980-81 World Tour Patch (orange and yellow on black background) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1412103378 Fully signed (Edgar, Jerome, Zlatco and Emil) colour Tournado Postcard from 1997 UK tour http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1412106386 Happy bidding and good luck! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 9:09 am Subject: Re : [tadream] Going Shopping Which month's pay are you talking about, the one where you get paid, or the one where you don't :-) ---------- >De : 'Neal Frost' >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] Going Shopping >Date : Jeu 1 mars 2001 4:19 > > For those of us poor souls that will not be able to see the TD concert in > the UK in May, are there any 'Kind Souls' that ARE going that might be > willing to do a little shopping? We/I can only assume that there will be > some little tidbit, or prerelease of something sold at the concert. Maybe a > single that will only be available at the show and not on the regular > market? > > Anyone willing to help, I would be willing to send a months pay, in > advance, for the help. > ('Honest honey, we only get paid every OTHER month at work.') > > Neal > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Paul Fellows >> To: >> Date: 2/28/01 2:07:10 PM >> Subject: Re : [tadream] Achtung: ze Jermins are konquering Britain! >> >> Hi all, >> >> If this all-star line-up gets any bigger, we'll have to get in touch with >> the pub and ask them to put a marquee in the beer garden or something :-) >> >> 35 people already... >> >> Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) >> Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) >> Craig Cordrey (UK) >> David Foster (UK) >> Duncan McKee (UK) >> Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) >> Geir Smedsrud (Norway) >> Glynn Naughton (France) >> Heiko Heerssen (Germany) >> Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) >> James Williams + 1 friend (UK) >> Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) >> Lawry Simm (USA) >> Marion (UK) >> Matthew Stringer (UK) >> Patrik Ljungberg + friend S–ren (Sweden) >> Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) >> Paul Fellows (France) >> Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) >> Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) >> Rainer Rutka (Germany) >> Ray (UK) >> Richard (UK?) >> Roger Hartopp (Poland) >> Steve Jenkins (UK) >> >> cheers >> >> Paul >> >> Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: >> As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: >> >> As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > > 'I have gone in search of myself. If I should return before I get back, > Please keep me here.' > > > --- Neal Frost > --- strat95@e... > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is ready for distribution! Please contact Tom Richmond to be > included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: ohmss76@a... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest RE:Soundmill Nav. >>>>Oh dear, you have stumbled upon a few of the latest misadventures by Tangerine Dream. Soundmill Navigator is a bit of a cruel joke. It's a 1976 concert with the volume turned down, lots of stuff added, and as you noticed, there is an awful chh chh chh sound during the whole thing. Edgar claims that it would have been impossible to remove this defect without ruining the music (a statement which several knowledgeable sound filtering and clarifying experts on the list strongly refute), so he actually ADDED this chh chh sound to the whole CD (such as the first 9 minutes which is entirely a studio creation). <<<<<<<<<<<<< I am still mortified about this. And here I thought Froese was a genius! This is just inexscusable, and now I have to question picking up another copy,since(Sean I believe)said his plays fine! You would think with all the technology they could remove any flaws,or work around it. >Sohoman 1982 Sydney Concert - Froese (creator of Tangerine Dream and the only one left of the old guard) seems to have no desire to release concerts as-is. So as you note, he butchered Logos, and removed all trace of the nice guitar work in the last 8 minutes (which was originally 12 minutes) and tacked on a fake ending. His changes to Sohoman are completely out of tune, out of time, and don't fit at all.<<<< Now Im getting mad:( Then its possible my keen ear picked up similarities in WHITE EAGLE tracks on this concert,since they may be the SAME tracks from the album!?!?! >TD Hollywood Years Vol.1 - That's exactly what we hoped for, but it turned out to be a lot of 1990's Tangerine Dream noodlings in the key of Miracle Mile and Melrose-era albums. <<<<<<<<< Someone wrote there was a list compiled of what films these are from...Id love to see it if anyone has it! I can take the MM/Melrose era, in fact I like both those albums very much. Again, we all seemed to have wanted something else. So how is Vol.2? I read somewhere there may be a cue from THE KEEP on it? Is that true? > >Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with >this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to the >other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. Aww, I love Tangent :) Poland and Ricochet are classics. -Morgan <<<<<<<<<<<<< Yes I do too:) I just would have sacrificed that(and RARE BIRD) if I ABSOLUTELY had to! ;-) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Sorry if my e-mail sounds negative. The last few years have been hard for TD fans who want the old concerts (there are well over 100 hours of unique material [different enough from the albums] to warrant releasing) and keep getting these fluffed up mislabeled CDs. I think the only people buying these CDs like Sohoman and Soundmill are people who haven't been warned ahead of time. :( <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, Like me!lol Thanks for the enlightenment,Morgan! All the best, Sean A _________________________________________________________________ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26219 Re: Latest and Greatest j.gordon Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Dream Mixes 3 delayed! Since Dream Mixes 3 was supposed to be out this month, and yet no information about ordering it has emerged yet, this latest release date change does not come as a surprise. Dream Mixes 3 has been postponed until the second half of May...to move it up closer to the planned North American tour dates, I imagine. But they promise that a webpage with info about the album will be up by Monday. http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/mainmenu.html -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest hey, sean... > I can take the MM/Melrose era, in fact I like both those albums very much. > Again, we all seemed to have wanted something else. So how is Vol.2? I read > somewhere there may be a cue from THE KEEP on it? Is that true? now i dig HYv1 - in fact, i think it's got some really good stuff on it - but i ate the big donut when i got v2... it came highly recommend, mostly because of the vocal track at the end, Rose of Babylon... wrong-o... it seemed that v1 was like all the cues that didn't make the cut for the movie, (hand-me downs, so to speak) but v2 was like those that didn't make the cut for the pan-me downs... sigh... to all y'all that dig v2, my apologies for any offense... i just think this is one of those albums that should have have been sacrificed to the gods... for appeasment... ;) j.gordon ps lots of other places to get yer Keep cues, sean... coughcoughElectronicCoughOrgycoughcough __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:11 pm Subject: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Since everyone in the world seems to be contributing their lists, I may as well too. 1. Goblins' Club 2. Tyranny of Beauty 3. The Dream Mixes 4. TimeSquare 5. 220 Volt --Daniel NP: Rush--Test for Echo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26221 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums lawlermusic Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26223 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Matthew Sawyer Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26226 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums j.gordon Fri 3/2/2001 3 KB 26227 Windows ME Dan Oakley Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26240 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Frank Arellano Sat 3/3/2001 3 KB 26248 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Lawry Simm Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB 26249 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Richard Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB 26250 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Gary Jenkins Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top Edgar and Jerome albums For me , this is like listing my top 5 illnesses . Having said that , they have produced a few really good tracks over the last decade . almost enough for a full CD:) anyway , in no particular order : 1 Timesquare 2. Rockcoon 3 Goblins Club 4 Oasis 5.Valentine Wheels whats the track they did for sony ? somebody mentioned earlier . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest >From: ohmss76@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: > >RE:Soundmill Nav. > > >>>>Oh dear, you have stumbled upon a few of the latest misadventures by >Tangerine Dream. Soundmill Navigator is a bit of a cruel joke. It's a 1976 >concert with the volume turned down, lots of stuff added, and as you >noticed, there is an awful chh chh chh sound during the whole thing. Edgar >claims that it would have been impossible to remove this defect without >ruining the music (a statement which several knowledgeable sound filtering >and clarifying experts on the list strongly refute), so he actually ADDED >this chh chh sound to the whole CD (such as the first 9 minutes which is >entirely a studio creation). ><<<<<<<<<<<<< > >I am still mortified about this. And here I thought Froese was a genius! >This is just inexscusable, and now I have to question picking up another >copy,since(Sean I believe)said his plays fine! It does take studio ears, good speakers, or both to hear this noise. I heard it at once but maybe it's because I knew what I was looking for. >You would think with all the technology they could remove any flaws,or work >around it. A few members of this list took a shot at it and were able to completely obliterate the sound with 20-30 minutes of filtering work without damaging the underlying music at all. So there's no excuse for Edgar to not have done it except foolish pride. And no, copies of this are not available! Better to enjoy a recording of the original concert anyway. > >Sohoman 1982 Sydney <<<< > >Now Im getting mad:( Then its possible my keen ear picked up similarities >in WHITE EAGLE tracks on this concert,since they may be the SAME tracks >from the album!?!?! Actually, Convention of the 24, White Eagle, Logos 'red part', and a snippet of Horizon WERE played at that show. So the music you hear on Sohoman *IS* the original music, turned down to about 70% volume with lots of stuff on top. White Eagle is actually pretty close to how it was originally played with the cool warbling sounds at the beginning. It's amazing that with the wealth of unreleased music between 1980 and 1982, Edgar chose 45 minutes of an Australian concert which is not only 70% released material already, but one of Edgar's less enthusiastic performances of Bondy Parade I've ever heard. Edgar must agree with me, he completely lifted his guitar solo, which *WAS* the heart of the song and cut the song short by 4 minutes and added a fake ending. > >Poland - also had to replace, at last, my Jive CD of the extracts with > >this....although Tangent was a bit of a letdown. It did't measure up to >the > >other 3 movements, but I'm still glad to have bought it. > >Aww, I love Tangent :) Poland and Ricochet are classics. > >-Morgan ><<<<<<<<<<<<< > >Yes I do too:) I just would have sacrificed that(and RARE BIRD) if I >ABSOLUTELY had to! ;-) The only way to own Poland in its entirety really is to have the 2 CD set, which is long out-of-print and hard to find. The funny thing about Poland is that the CD is fairly accurate to the concert except the track 'Poland' which is a studio version. Now, you might be a bit infuriated to hear this. Honestly, having heard both the live 31 minute version and the 22 minute version on the Poland CD, I think the one on the CD is more polished and prefer it. It is interesting to hear both versions however. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 7:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top Edgar and Jerome albums From: lawlermusic > whats the track they did for sony ? somebody mentioned earlier . I'm not sure exactly where they played it. It's about 15 minutes long, contains a small bit of Mars Polaris, and I think was only available as a surprise gift in the Millennium Booster pack. Like alot of the modern material, it has a couple of moments of greatness mixed in with parts that wander around aimlessly. Maff ________________________________________ matthewsawyer@b... http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26226 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums j.gordon Fri 3/2/2001 3 KB 26227 Windows ME Dan Oakley Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB From: ohmss76@a... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 8:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest Morgan writes: The only way to own Poland in its entirety really is to have the 2 CD set, which is long out-of-print and hard to find. The funny thing about Poland is that the CD is fairly accurate to the concert except the track 'Poland' which is a studio version. Now, you might be a bit infuriated to hear this. Honestly, having heard both the live 31 minute version and the 22 minute version on the Poland CD, I think the one on the CD is more polished and prefer it. It is interesting to hear both versions however. -Morgan <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I always wondered about this being 'live'. I must ask,why the preference for the 2CD Poland? I've seen this around, and thought a single CD condensation of the set would be the way to go. Time to listen to Sohoman with better ears, Sean _________________________________________________________________ From: ohmss76@a... Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest and Greatest Thanks for saving me a few bucks J:) I was going to grab HWYears V2 this weekend, but if its not worth it....well if someone out there likes it speak up:) And er,uh...eepnay anksnay orgynay elecnay:)lol Best, Sean From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top Edgar and Jerome albums it was played at the sony topping center... a dedication to the 'new' sony building in Berlin... the music is floating around, (it was never released officially as it's own CD, i believe... please correct me if i'm wrong someone...) it's a little over 18 minutes and its right in line with the other music they've produced in the 90's... =) j.gordon --- Matthew Sawyer wrote: > From: lawlermusic > > > whats the track they did for sony ? somebody mentioned earlier . > > I'm not sure exactly where they played it. It's about 15 minutes long, > contains a small bit of Mars Polaris, and I think was only available as a > surprise gift in the Millennium Booster pack. Like alot of the modern > material, it has a couple of moments of greatness mixed in with parts that > wander around aimlessly. > > > Maff > ________________________________________ > matthewsawyer@b... > http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ > http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26227 Windows ME Dan Oakley Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB From: Dan Oakley Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 9:24 pm Subject: Windows ME Does anyone know if TD does the music packaged with the tutorial movies in Windows ME? Dan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Lord Rayden' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's > > Hi, > > my Top Five: > > 1. The Seven Letters of Tibet > 2. 220 Volt > 3. Tournado > 4. Transsiberia > 5. Mars Polaris > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. Millennium Bardzo wywazone i rozsadne propozycje. No i DM nieobecne - chwali sie. Rayden (z nasluchu) P.S. J23 znowu nadaje ! -------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A--------------------- Szukasz wiedzy? 85 tysiecy uaktualnianych ciagle hasel. Encyklopedia Internautica: http://encyklopedia.interia.pl/ From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 10:09 pm Subject: Dream Roots Collection box set Hey there all, just wanted to pop a quick note here. I'd posted earlier, but don't know if the post went through. IF SO, apologies for a repeat, if not, here's the post :) I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection in Best Buy for under $50 for all 5 Cds. WHAT exactly is this? the way the box set is packaged up, you cannot view or see a track listing, so I thought I'd ask here, as everyone has always been wonderful about helping out. I've only been a TD fan for about 4 years now (collecting), although had been introducted to TD years ago, and was stupid enough to not listen (GRIN). BUT seeing stuff like this in a big box set makes me want to pick things up, BUT I always like to ask and inquire first? Anyone? thanks. At the same time, I'm still trying to obtain more live recordings of TD material, and everytime I seem to get into something of a swap details, everyone already has everything I DO of live material. Anyone interested in 2-1 swaps, etc for blanks, please e-mail me off the list. AND same goes with the information about Dream Roots. thanks much. dan Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address!

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26231 Re: Dream Roots Collection box set Sean Montgomery Fri 3/2/2001 3 KB 26232 Re: Dream Roots Collection box set :-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dust Fri 3/2/2001 2 KB 26252 Re: Dream Roots Collection box set Feldon Feldon Sun 3/4/2001 3 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 10:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Windows ME Oh no... actually THEY MAKE their music using the programs included with Windows ME! :O) Sorry just kidding... but sometimes I do wonder.. Greg H. From: 'Dan Oakley' > Does anyone know if TD does the music packaged with the tutorial > movies in Windows ME? > > Dan From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 11:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection box set winnie the pooh wrote: > I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection in Best Buy for under $50 for all 5 Cds. WHAT exactly is this? the way the box set is packaged up, you cannot view or see a track listing, so I thought I'd ask here, as everyone has always been wonderful about helping out. The Dream Roots collection presents music from two eras of TD history: the years 1970-1973, when they were on the German label 'Ohr'; and 1983-1988, when they were represented by the label Jive Electro (TD is now calling these eras 'The Pink Years' and 'The Blue Years' respectively). A tracklisting can be seen on Amazon.com, if you do a search for 'dream roots'. Almost all of the 1970-73 'Pink Years' stuff has been heavilly modified/re-recorded (except for the four tracks from Green Desert, the only album from the era that I like). The changes don't make the material any better, in my opinion. The Blue Years stuff is presented pretty much intact, but it's been remastered, and the sound quality is great. If you don't have any albums from that era (and you should! Underwater Sunlight and Poland in particular), this set might be a good place to start. It also has four previously unreleased tracks on disk 5, and one of them in particular (Valley of the Sun) is excellent. It also comes with a nice booklet, full of pictures. All in all, it's a pretty good set...and you can indeed get it for under $50. Cduniverse.com has it for about $44. Still, in the long run you may be better off just buying Green Desert, Poland, Le Parc, Underwater Sunlight and Livemiles. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: :'-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 11:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection box set winnie the pooh said: > I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection ...WHAT exactly is this? http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artistid =TANGERINE+DREAM/itemid=1010759 -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: Ken Beal Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 1:04 am Subject: FS: Blank Cassettes Howdy All... Sorry to bother you, but have been cleaning closets and found the following: 17 Maxell XLII 90 Cassettes 2 Maxell XLII 100 Cassettes 1 Maxell XLII 60 Cassette 1 TDK MA90 Cassette All are still sealed in their original packaging. I will be taking offers for these for the next 3 or 4 days. I am willing to consider talking about 'Private Label' Tangerine Dream related items as barter. Thanks for listening...and please respond off list... Ken ********************************************** The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh. ********************************************** To avoid disappointment, lower expectations. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26264 Re: FS: Blank Cassettes Joe Shoults Mon 3/5/2001 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 2:11 am Subject: Re: Latest and Greatest ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >I always wondered about this being 'live'. I must ask,why the preference for the 2CD Poland? I've seen this around, and thought a single CD condensation of the set would be the way to go. >Time to listen to Sohoman with better ears, >Sean Because the in the remastered 1-cd Poland, Barbakane is just like in Extracts; the final section had to be removed so it could fit in the CD. Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 5:53 am Subject: Top five from the Froese's Here's my top five, allthough hard to choose( yeah, I like the nineties a well :o) 1. Oasis 2. Mars Polaris 3. What A Blast 4. 220 Volts 5. Goblins Club Poul lakota@g... - We'll Keep The Red Flag Flying High - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 5:54 pm Subject: I always wondered about this being 'live' I am glad you asked the question, I have both the single and double CD(s) of Poland and thought they sounded different. Now I know why. As the owner (proud?) of both Tangents and the infamous I-box set along the 30-odds other TD CD's, I do not think I will buy any more 'Collections'. I have acquired a few 'fan tapes' and other forms of 'live' concerts. Now, for the first time I 'hear' the difference of a true concert and a 'doctored' version of TD live. It is indeed a world of difference. As an avid collector of Bruce Springsteen concerts, I pale when Columbia releases a 'Live Collection' as they bare so little resemblance to the true concert setting. Granted the sound is cleaner, but so much of the ambiance and spontaneity is lost in the editing process. Sterilization if you will. I don't need an engineer decide what a concert sounds like. I already know. Having never had the pleasure of attending a TD concert, I rely on tapes and live releases to enhance the visualizations of the hall and musicians performing the wonderful sound that is Tangerine Dream. So I will trade and collect as much of the early and mid-eighties concerts as I can. An dreally think twice over new factory TD live releases. Oh, hell who am I kidding, I will buy the damn things just to own them. But , I would be happy with myself later(grin). I am on a rant here; I just paid $90.00 so my wife and oldest son can see NSYNC live. And she complains to me of my spending money on TD stuff! Regards, DPH -----Original Message----- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tadream@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 2:06 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 814 ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ----------------------------------------------------_- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 7 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Dream Roots Collection box set From: 'winnie the pooh' 2. Re: Windows ME From: 'Greg' 3. Re: Dream Roots Collection box set From: Sean Montgomery 4. Re: Dream Roots Collection box set From: :'-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk' 5. FS: Blank Cassettes From: Ken Beal 6. Re: Latest and Greatest From: Gustavo Jobim 7. Top five from the Froese's From: 'Poul Erik' ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:09:38 -0500 From: 'winnie the pooh' Subject: Dream Roots Collection box set Hey there all, just wanted to pop a quick note here. I'd posted earlier, but don't know if the post went through. IF SO, apologies for a repeat, if not, here's the post :) I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection in Best Buy for under $50 for all 5 Cds. WHAT exactly is this? the way the box set is packaged up, you cannot view or see a track listing, so I thought I'd ask here, as everyone has always been wonderful about helping out. I've only been a TD fan for about 4 years now (collecting), although had been introducted to TD years ago, and was stupid enough to not listen (GRIN). BUT seeing stuff like this in a big box set makes me want to pick things up, BUT I always like to ask and inquire first? Anyone? thanks. At the same time, I'm still trying to obtain more live recordings of TD material, and everytime I seem to get into something of a swap details, everyone already has everything I DO of live material. Anyone interested in 2-1 swaps, etc for blanks, please e-mail me off the list. AND same goes with the information about Dream Roots. thanks much. dan Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address!

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:31:22 -0700 From: 'Greg' Subject: Re: Windows ME Oh no... actually THEY MAKE their music using the programs included with Windows ME! :O) Sorry just kidding... but sometimes I do wonder.. Greg H. From: 'Dan Oakley' > Does anyone know if TD does the music packaged with the tutorial > movies in Windows ME? > > Dan ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:25:40 -0500 From: Sean Montgomery Subject: Re: Dream Roots Collection box set winnie the pooh wrote: > I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection in Best Buy for under $50 for all 5 Cds. WHAT exactly is this? the way the box set is packaged up, you cannot view or see a track listing, so I thought I'd ask here, as everyone has always been wonderful about helping out. The Dream Roots collection presents music from two eras of TD history: the years 1970-1973, when they were on the German label 'Ohr'; and 1983-1988, when they were represented by the label Jive Electro (TD is now calling these eras 'The Pink Years' and 'The Blue Years' respectively). A tracklisting can be seen on Amazon.com, if you do a search for 'dream roots'. Almost all of the 1970-73 'Pink Years' stuff has been heavilly modified/re-recorded (except for the four tracks from Green Desert, the only album from the era that I like). The changes don't make the material any better, in my opinion. The Blue Years stuff is presented pretty much intact, but it's been remastered, and the sound quality is great. If you don't have any albums from that era (and you should! Underwater Sunlight and Poland in particular), this set might be a good place to start. It also has four previously unreleased tracks on disk 5, and one of them in particular (Valley of the Sun) is excellent. It also comes with a nice booklet, full of pictures. All in all, it's a pretty good set...and you can indeed get it for under $50. Cduniverse.com has it for about $44. Still, in the long run you may be better off just buying Green Desert, Poland, Le Parc, Underwater Sunlight and Livemiles. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 23:27:36 -0000 From: :'-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk' Subject: Re: Dream Roots Collection box set winnie the pooh said: > I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection ...WHAT exactly is this? http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artist id =TANGERINE+DREAM/itemid=1010759 -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:04:26 -0800 From: Ken Beal Subject: FS: Blank Cassettes Howdy All... Sorry to bother you, but have been cleaning closets and found the following: 17 Maxell XLII 90 Cassettes 2 Maxell XLII 100 Cassettes 1 Maxell XLII 60 Cassette 1 TDK MA90 Cassette All are still sealed in their original packaging. I will be taking offers for these for the next 3 or 4 days. I am willing to consider talking about 'Private Label' Tangerine Dream related items as barter. Thanks for listening...and please respond off list... Ken ********************************************** The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh. ********************************************** To avoid disappointment, lower expectations. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:11:02 -0300 From: Gustavo Jobim Subject: Re: Latest and Greatest ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >I always wondered about this being 'live'. I must ask,why the preference for the 2CD Poland? I've seen this around, and thought a single CD condensation of the set would be the way to go. >Time to listen to Sohoman with better ears, >Sean Because the in the remastered 1-cd Poland, Barbakane is just like in Extracts; the final section had to be removed so it could fit in the CD. Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 06:53:43 +0100 From: 'Poul Erik' Subject: Top five from the Froese's Here's my top five, allthough hard to choose( yeah, I like the nineties a well :o) 1. Oasis 2. Mars Polaris 3. What A Blast 4. 220 Volts 5. Goblins Club Poul lakota@g... - We'll Keep The Red Flag Flying High - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Piotr Sulkowski II' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Odp: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's Ano, ano mysle wiec jestem :) Pozdrawiam Piotr S. Millennium > > > > Hi, > > > > my Top Five: > > > > 1. The Seven Letters of Tibet > > 2. 220 Volt > > 3. Tournado > > 4. Transsiberia > > 5. Mars Polaris > > > > Pozdrawiam > > > > Piotr S. Millennium > > Bardzo wywazone i rozsadne propozycje. No i DM nieobecne - chwali sie. > > Rayden (z nasluchu) > > P.S. J23 znowu nadaje ! -------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A--------------------- Szukasz wiedzy? 85 tysiecy uaktualnianych ciagle hasel. Encyklopedia Internautica: http://encyklopedia.interia.pl/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26253 Re: Top five from the Froese's Lord Rayden Sun 3/4/2001 3 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 7:12 pm Subject: ATTENTION: update and NEW Homepage Name - OPTICALDREAM.DE Hi all, NEW Name of my Tangerine Dream Fan-Homepage: please add this to your links (thank you): http://www.opticaldream.de the other Name is no more available. The New Homepage has was also updated at: 03.03.2001 Please jump to: www.opticaldream.de Regards Heiko from Burg/Germany See you at London in May and Bernau/Berlin in October!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: ohmss76@a... Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 8:40 pm Subject: What IS the I-Box? Since I was at Tower eyeballing this one AGAIN last night, it is probably timely to ask everyone here is this worth my $54? I have 0 compilations of old albums, as it seems there are far too many, and how many times do you need to own excerpts of Stratosfear,Alpha Centauri and Zeit,etc,etc if you have the whole thng? It seems these collections always just chop up previously released tracks with a few new ones,and who knows where those come from! So is this worth it? And how about Tangents, the Virgin box? Is that another case of 'buy 4 old cd's and get one new one? I see there is a whole disc of new stuff there, but again are these just leftovers? Someone please let me know, since if they're no good, Alex North's monumental score for CLEOPATRA is being released on 2 cd's in a couple weeks! All the best, Sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26243 Re: What IS the I-Box? Feldon Feldon Sat 3/3/2001 5 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 8:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top Edgar and Jerome albums What! Paul, I didn't see 'Seven Letters Of Tibet' on your list. :-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'lawlermusic' To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Top Edgar and Jerome albums > For me , this is like listing my top 5 illnesses . > Having said that , they have produced a few really good tracks over the last > decade . almost enough for a full CD:) > anyway , in no particular order : > > 1 Timesquare > 2. Rockcoon > 3 Goblins Club > 4 Oasis > 5.Valentine Wheels > > whats the track they did for sony ? somebody mentioned earlier . > > Paul > > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 9:15 pm Subject: The return of Eddie and Jerry Alright now, I know some of you have been holding your breath waiting for mine , so here it goes :-) 1. Tournado 2. Oasis 3. Mars Polaris 4. 220 Volt 5. Quinoa So far it's a runaway with Mars Polaris in the lead. The only ones that haven't received any votes from Roger's list are Hollywood Years Vol. I and II, and Zoning. From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 9:44 pm Subject: Eddy and Jerry's Top 5 Okay, I thought I'd give you all an idea how things are shaping up so far based on 27 qualified entries. Dan Oakley, I need your revised one. Morgan, sorry, but your's was obviously disqualified :-) Matt, Dream Encore and Sony Center aren't on Roger's list either. !. Mars Polaris 79 [pts] 2.Oasis [43] 3. Goblins Club [40] 4. Dream Mixes I [36] 5. Timesquare [35] 6. What A Blast [30] 7. 220 Volt [28] 8.Valentine Wheels [17] 9. Quinoa [16] 10. Seven Letters Of Tibet [15] 11. Tournado [13] 12. Great Wall Of China [9] Turn Of The Tides [9] 14. Transsiberia [7] Tyranny Of Beauty [7] 16. Ambient Monkeys [5] 17. Rockoon [4] 18. Rumplestiltskin [3] 19. Hollywood Years I [0] Hollywood Years II [0] Zoning [0] This has been a public service announcement. :-D Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26244 Re: Eddy and Jerry's Top 5 Feldon Feldon Sat 3/3/2001 2 KB 26302 Re: Eddy and Jerry's Top 5 tadream Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 10:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What IS the I-Box? i-Box is: -several Tangents (74-83) compilation tracks -several Dream Roots (71-73, 84-87) compilation tracks -11 'rare' tracks -2 studio demo versions of a pair of 90's era tracks (very remixed and interesting) -Warsaw in the Sun 12' vinyl edition never before on CD -Logos 88 theme [see Tangents below] -a handful of tracks which are 'inspired by various 86-89 concerts' -an edited Werner Saleenbinder 1990 concert theme [I love the original, Edgar cut it down 30 sec in the front, 2 minutes at the back, and brought Linda Spa on board to record saxophone on top of it. It's still *decent* even with all this] -a CD labeled 'Perth 1982 concert' which is in fact**: -about 13 minutes of Edgar Froese solos from 1982 including Kamikaze and a few other bits -Convention of the 24 (studio version from White Eagle) -Mojave Plan (studio version from White Eagle) -studio ending If you want a decent compilation with some rare tracks, this is a good box to get. It's tolerably priced if you can grab it for $30 off Amazon or CDNow. $54 is robbery. As long as you realize that 90% of what's labeled 'live' is not and the 'Perth 1982 concert' does not contain one nanosecond of the actual 1982 Perth concert. **I'm sure I've screwed up the Perth tracklisting again. Heiko will be along shortly to set me straight :) >From: ohmss76@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] What IS the I-Box? >Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:40:59 EST > >Since I was at Tower eyeballing this one AGAIN last night, it is probably >timely to ask everyone here is this worth my $54? > >I have 0 compilations of old albums, as it seems there are far too many, >and >how many times do you need to own excerpts of Stratosfear,Alpha Centauri >and >Zeit,etc,etc if you have the whole thng? It seems these collections always >just chop up previously released tracks with a few new ones,and who knows >where those come from! So is this worth it? >And how about Tangents, the Virgin box? Is that another case of 'buy 4 old >cd's and get one new one? I see there is a whole disc of new stuff there, >but >again are these just leftovers? Basically yes, 4 old CDs and 1 new one. And the tracks on that new disc are mostly forgettible except for the excerpted re-edited Silver Scale track. (Edgar has yet to release this wonderful 1981 theme untouched anywhere). Tangents is a nicely designed box with a good biography about TD. The actual music is all retouched snippets of 1974-1983 albums. This box is what coined the term 'Tangentization' which is a term that's stuck in describing all efforts by Edgar to modify/upgrade/retouch/edit/fluff/improve original concert tapes with strings and ethereal twinklings on his snazzy year 2000 equipment. The first 3 CDs are a compilation of their albums except for 'Logos Blue' and 'Phaedra 88' which are actually 2 very cool complete reworkings of those 2 familiar themes which premiered in 1986 at Tangerine Dream concerts and are STILL heard as recently as 1998 during TD concerts during the 'Vintage Set' half of the show where they recap various old TD themes. If you have Antique Dreams and i-Box then you have both Phaedra 88 and Logos 88 already. Disc 4 is entirely Soundtrack snippets (previously released). Disc 5 is the aforementioned 'unreleased tracks' disc. The only track of note is an edited down Silver Scale. One day, probably 15 years from now, when we're all listening to other artists, Edgar, Jerome, or some lawyer will put out the untouched 17 minute+ Silver Scale suite/track. At least Tangents has interesting graphic design on the box, and in the booklet and CDs. Dream Roots has lots of nice photos (too small tho!). i-Box looks like Photoshop and Kai's Power Tools exploded on a cardboard box. No graphic design whatsoever. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 10:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Eddy and Jerry's Top 5 Frank, If you must, put me down for: 1. Dream Mixes I (almost the whole thing) 2. TimeSquare (half) 3. Oasis (for 2 tracks) 4. 220 Volt (most of it) >From: 'Frank Arellano' >Okay, I thought I'd give you all an idea how things are shaping up so far >based on 27 qualified entries. Dan Oakley, I need your revised one. Morgan, >sorry, but your's was obviously disqualified _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 2:16 am Subject: Dream Roots box set - question Hey there all, just wanted to take a second to ask a quick question. I was in Best Buy yesterday, and saw A FIVE CD set of the Dream Roots Collection that really caught my eye. I'm only a fairly new TD fan, and have had some luck obtaining live material (although never as much as I'd LIKE, anyone interested in helping out, I'd DEFINATELY appreciate it if you could e-mail me off the list. I'm only able to provide Cds (2-1 swaps or what-not is ok with me, just whatever I can do). I DO have some live material of TD, but seems everyone on here always seems to already have it (GRIN) BUT going back to what I'd asked, Is this Dream Roots collection 5 Cd set worth it? I know nothing about that period of music, so thought I'd ask. AND for the price under $50 for all the 5 Cds, thought it was a heck of a deal. Anyone help out? Thanks. There were actually TWO box sets of this available, so it'll most likely be there. Also, another question. 'the best of Tangerine Dream' that I saw was a 2 Cd set, anyone have comments about this? thanks for the help. The folks on this list have always been GREAT about answering questions. It's much appreciated. dan Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address!

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26246 Re: Dream Roots box set - question Feldon Feldon Sat 3/3/2001 3 KB 26263 Re: Dream Roots box set - question C. Chambers Mon 3/5/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Mar 3, 2001 11:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots box set - question >From: 'winnie the pooh' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Hey there all, just wanted to take a second to ask a quick question. I was >in Best Buy yesterday, and saw A FIVE CD set of the Dream Roots Collection >that really caught my eye. > >Is this Dream Roots collection 5 Cd set worth it? I know nothing about that >period of music, so thought I'd ask. AND for the price under $50 for all >the 5 Cds, thought it was a heck of a deal. The first CD is 1971-1973 albums remixed/remastered/Tangentized CDs 2-4 are 1984-1987 albums remixed/remastered/Tangentized plus the 1987 Tyger initial release-exclusive tracks (which were lost in the 1992 Tyger release) CD 5 is unreleased music. Valley of the Sun is the best track on here. As to whether $45 is worth it for 1 CD of unreleased 1985 music and 2 Tyger tracks is up to you. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26263 Re: Dream Roots box set - question C. Chambers Mon 3/5/2001 2 KB From: Victor Rek Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 1:26 am Subject: Update for Vic Rek's Homepage My webpage just changed today also. Please update your links and note my new e-mail address in the header. NEW web page for Vic Rek: http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/td_trade.htm Old was: http://idt.net/~torque19/td_trade.htm Also keep any eye out for the Okefenokee SwampPak 21 offer to be out soon and don't forget that the event start April 20, 2001 in Southern Georgia USA. Vic NEUMANN.H-J@t... wrote: > Hi all, > > NEW Name of my Tangerine Dream Fan-Homepage: please add this to your links (thank you): > > http://www.opticaldream.de > > the other Name is no more available. > > The New Homepage has was also updated at: 03.03.2001 > Please jump to: www.opticaldream.de > > Regards > Heiko > from Burg/Germany > > See you at London in May and Bernau/Berlin in October!!!! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26265 Re: Update for Vic Rek's Homepage Joe Shoults Mon 3/5/2001 2 KB 26280 Re: Update for Vic Rek's Homepage Victor Rek Tue 3/6/2001 2 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 11:18 am Subject: Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums After seeing Zoning get 0 points so far... I just has to put my 5 in. 1) Zoning 2) Goblin's Club 3) Dream Mixes I 4) What A Blast 5) 220Volt Regards Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26249 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Richard Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB 26250 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Gary Jenkins Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB From: Richard Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 12:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In message <004301c0a49d$3ae6d140$3c9801d4@s...>, Lawry Simm writes >After seeing Zoning get 0 points so far... I just has to put my 5 in. > >1) Zoning >2) Goblin's Club >3) Dream Mixes I >4) What A Blast >5) 220Volt > >Regards >Lawry I have to agree with Zoning. One of the best things to be released in recent years. Proves it can still be done. - -- Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOqIwUDBWmWbUzpzAEQKW1ACg5ikc2znc2rz4vN8LH7Lb9wmt4bwAoJH4 mB/ApH8ZMk4IOxQVCPv44ID/ =ea21 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26250 Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums Gary Jenkins Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 12:19 pm Subject: Re: Top Edgar and Jerome albums --- In tadream@y..., Richard wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > In message <004301c0a49d$3ae6d140$3c9801d4@s...>, Lawry Simm > writes > >After seeing Zoning get 0 points so far... I just has to put my 5 in. > > > >1) Zoning > >2) Goblin's Club > >3) Dream Mixes I > >4) What A Blast > >5) 220Volt > > > >Regards > >Lawry > > Only just got Zoning after first play quite impressed after a few more maybe it could have made it into my top 5. Gary. > > - -- > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 > > iQA/AwUBOqIwUDBWmWbUzpzAEQKW1ACg5ikc2znc2rz4vN8LH7Lb9wmt4bwAoJH4 > mB/ApH8ZMk4IOxQVCPv44ID/ > =ea21 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 12:22 pm Subject: Vinyl ? Hi everyone and a query regarding vinyl electronica. Does anyone still yearn after long deleted vinyl albums. The reason I ask is that I am thinking of getting rid of the remains of my vinyl collection being as... a. I never play them any more. b. I have to keep finding places to put them. I will be looking to trade for CD's of material I either a. I haven't got b. I'd like to get on CD c. 'Live' material that I don't have If I get a positive feedback I'll put together a list of available stuff for those who may be interested ( includes T.Dream vinyl ). What do group members think is a fair trade ? Bear in mind also that I'm in the UK and postage to other countries may be on the expensive side. Thanks and ATB Phil NP Matthias Thurow 'Cornucopia' ( Erdenklang CD from 1987 ) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26254 Re: Vinyl ? Feldon Feldon Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 2, 2001 11:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection box set The first 4 CDs are previously released material, remixed, edited, and otherwise Tangentized. The tangentizations on disc 1 aren't bad, the other 3 discs are a mixed bag. Also, a few of the tracks from the long-out-of-print 1987 version of Tyger (which has several differences) appear here. Disc 5 is unreleased music from 1985 by Edgar and Chris. -Morgan >From: 'winnie the pooh' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: 'TaDreamList' >Subject: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection box set >Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:09:38 -0500 > >Hey there all, just wanted to pop a quick note here. I'd posted earlier, >but don't know if the post went through. IF SO, apologies for a repeat, if >not, here's the post :) > >I saw a FIVE CD SET of Dream Roots Collection in Best Buy for under $50 for >all 5 Cds. WHAT exactly is this? the way the box set is packaged up, you >cannot view or see a track listing, so I thought I'd ask here, as everyone >has always been wonderful about helping out. >Anyone? thanks. At the same time, I'm still trying to obtain more live >recordings of TD material, and everytime I seem to get into something of a >swap details, everyone already has everything I DO of live material. Anyone >interested in 2-1 swaps, etc for blanks, please e-mail me off the list. AND >same goes with the information about Dream Roots. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Lord Rayden' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 4:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Top five from the Froese's > > Ano, ano mysle wiec jestem :) MYSLIWYM ! (ze zlotych mysli Raydena) :) Rayden > > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. Millennium > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > my Top Five: > > > > > > 1. The Seven Letters of Tibet > > > 2. 220 Volt > > > 3. Tournado > > > 4. Transsiberia > > > 5. Mars Polaris > > > > > > Pozdrawiam > > > > > > Piotr S. Millennium > > > > Bardzo wywazone i rozsadne propozycje. No i DM nieobecne - chwali sie. > > > > Rayden (z nasluchu) > > > > P.S. J23 znowu nadaje ! > > > -------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A--------------------- > Szukasz wiedzy? 85 tysiecy uaktualnianych ciagle hasel. > Encyklopedia Internautica: http://encyklopedia.interia.pl/ > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to > join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the > distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------R--E--K--L--A--M--A--------------------- Szukasz wiedzy? 85 tysiecy uaktualnianych ciagle hasel. Encyklopedia Internautica: http://encyklopedia.interia.pl/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 4:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Vinyl ? There is always continued and renewed interest in vinyl. I can't wait for the home vinyl recording units to come out. They'll probably cost $1,000 at first, but vinyl is for enthusiasts anyway. (And yes, there really is one coming out!) -Morgan >From: 'Phil White' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Vinyl ? >Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:22:31 -0000 > >Hi everyone and a query regarding vinyl electronica. > >Does anyone still yearn after long deleted vinyl albums. >The reason I ask is that I am thinking of getting rid of the >remains of my vinyl collection being as... >a. I never play them any more. >b. I have to keep finding places to put them. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 5:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mark Coyle is this the same Mark Coyle as in the 'Wyrd Folk Tapes'? welcome to the list regardless. tom -- On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:41:21 Mark Coyle wrote: >Hi all, Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26256 Re: Mark Coyle Mark Coyle Sun 3/4/2001 2 KB 26258 Re: Mark Coyle tom george Sun 3/4/2001 3 KB 26259 Re: Mark Coyle tom george Sun 3/4/2001 5 KB From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 5:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mark Coyle Hi > is this the same Mark Coyle as in the 'Wyrd Folk Tapes'? welcome to the list regardless. > tom Hi Tom, yes indeed it is. What a small eclectic world it is!! I had been wondering why your name was so familar! cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 9:46 pm Subject: Help with Winamp Anyone? Hey there all, sorry to have to send this online. I have Real Audio as my default mp3 file player, and was told about SHOUTCAST which is supposed to be a totally awesome player through winamp, however, the problem is, I cannot change it where Winamp and the plug-ins are my default player. Real Audio keeps popping up, AND I even went as far as DELETING this shitty program, but then it tells me on my PC 'realplay.exe not found' so that means I have to literally HAVE the Real Audio on my PC> Any way I can change this, where it will ONLY WORK on winamp? AND Winamp is the only thing that will pop up? thanks for any help, and let me know how I can REMOVE this REal Audio crap. It stinks, and I want winamp to be my default Mp3 player, but have no clue HOW to change this where it works, and REal Audio won't show up. e-mail me off the list. much appreciated. dan Kayleighs Homepage - Live Online! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), IcQ (1247205), MSN Messenger - THIS e-mail address!

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26266 Re: Help with Winamp Anyone? Joe Shoults Mon 3/5/2001 2 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 10:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mark Coyle ha ha...great to see your musical tastes are infinite. there are a few more posts here then over at Bruton, but this way you get more musical bang for your buck. speaking of musical bang are #4 and #5 ready yet? well take care and look forward to your posts on both lists. tom -- On Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:54:51 Mark Coyle wrote: >Hi > >> is this the same Mark Coyle as in the 'Wyrd Folk Tapes'? welcome to the list >regardless. >> tom > >Hi Tom, yes indeed it is. What a small eclectic world it is!! I had been wondering >why your name was so familar! >cheers >Mark > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 11:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mark Coyle correction...i meant to say #5 and #6. np-Lords of Acid-'Farstucker' man what an aural treat this is. these people are masters of sounds and the studio. sorry for the no TD content. oh wait here is some TD content. for all the members in Germany you might want to get the Marz 2001 catalog from JPC courier. it has a large page and a half advert for TD with the title 'The Ultimate Tangerine Dream Collection' and it shows all the albums from 'Ambient Monkeys' up to 'GWOC' (no 7 letters) including the older ones with new covers such as: '220 Volt' 'Rockoon' 'TOB' 'Oasis' and 'CD'. there is a paragraph of text under each cd but in German. tom -- On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 17:30:18 tom george wrote: > ha ha...great to see your musical tastes are infinite. >there are a few more posts here then over at Bruton, but this way you get more musical bang for your buck. >speaking of musical bang are #4 and #5 ready yet? well >take care and look forward to your posts on both lists. >tom >-- > >On Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:54:51 > Mark Coyle wrote: >>Hi >> >>> is this the same Mark Coyle as in the 'Wyrd Folk Tapes'? welcome to the list >>regardless. >>> tom >> >>Hi Tom, yes indeed it is. What a small eclectic world it is!! I had been wondering >>why your name was so familar! >>cheers >>Mark >> >> > >>_________________________________________________________ > >>Do You Yahoo!? > >>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > >> >>---------------------------------------------------~-~ >>Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: >>As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: >> >>As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: >> >>PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >>Website: http://www.tadream.net >>----------------------------------------------------_- >> >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> > > >Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. >FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: >As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > >As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Website: http://www.tadream.net >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun Mar 4, 2001 11:44 pm Subject: More about vinyl Hi all, Further to my earlier posting regarding vinyl disposal.... I now have produced a list for anyone who wishes to express an interest in same ? There are 104 titles in all including 17 Tangerine Dream items ( mainly movie soundtracks ). Also 8 Schulze recordings including 'x' and 'Audentity' For any other details regarding condition please e-mail me off list and I will be pleased to mail you a full list of available titles. I only have one of each and when they are gone they are gone ! ATB Phil NP Terra Firma 'Turtle Crossing' From: Aeonblue@a... 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ID Date Size 26307 Re: aiwa cdr for 275$ at crutchfield Feldon Feldon Wed 3/7/2001 4 KB From: wyslannik@y... Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 12:47 pm Subject: Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > Hi all, > > The number of messages from people who say they are going to Shepherd's Bush > on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if you're > going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > [cut] > Paul Hi! I'm another guy, who wants to go to Sheperd's Bush TD concert. About me (in a few words): My name is Jakub, I'm a fan from Poland, member of Polish TD mailgroup nince 1999, nowadays I live in Brighton, UK. I'd like to contact on priv with someone of you from UK, who are going to Shepherd's Bush to get some details. Sorry, I have no possibilities and no time to read messages on tadream e-group, so could you, please, contact me on wyslannik@y... Best regards (special for Polish fans on this e-group :) ) Polaris [http://mp3.com/Jakub-Polaris] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26267 Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush Matthew Stringer Mon 3/5/2001 3 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 5:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Dream Roots box set - question > > The first CD is 1971-1973 albums remixed/remastered/Tangentized > CDs 2-4 are 1984-1987 albums remixed/remastered/Tangentized > plus the 1987 Tyger initial release-exclusive tracks > (which were lost in the 1992 Tyger release) What was different about the Tyger release? I have the original Vinyl and CD. Something was dropped or changed from these to the later releases? Thanks for any info. Craig From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 2:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] FS: Blank Cassettes hey ken- I didn't understand. you mean you have blank cassette tapes to trade?? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Beal [mailto:kwb10@c...] > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:04 PM > To: tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com > Cc: tadream@yahoogroups.com; spacemusic@egroups.com; > ElectronicMusic@yahoogroups.com; beyond_em@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] FS: Blank Cassettes > > > Howdy All... > > Sorry to bother you, but have been cleaning closets and found > the following: > > 17 Maxell XLII 90 Cassettes > 2 Maxell XLII 100 Cassettes > 1 Maxell XLII 60 Cassette > 1 TDK MA90 Cassette > > All are still sealed in their original packaging. > > I will be taking offers for these for the next 3 or 4 days. I am > willing to consider talking about 'Private Label' Tangerine Dream > related items as barter. > > > Thanks for listening...and please respond off list... > > Ken > > ********************************************** > The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' > So I bought a Macintosh. > ********************************************** > To avoid disappointment, lower expectations. > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various > Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost > too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included > in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me a s BRANCH my address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 2:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Update for Vic Rek's Homepage not much discussion so far about Okefenokee - right around the corner, but the info from last year is still at http://www.tadream.net if you need it. I'll update it with the SwampPak 21 info when Vic sends it... wish I could go this year. > -----Original Message----- > From: Victor Rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] ... > > Also keep any eye out for the Okefenokee SwampPak 21 offer to > be out soon and don't forget that the event start April 20, > 2001 in Southern Georgia USA. > From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 3:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Help with Winamp Anyone? Open Winamp. Hit CTRL-P on your computer keyboard. Under Setup > Filetypes, click 'Select All'. Close. Reboot. > -----Original Message----- > From: winnie the pooh [mailto:winniethepoohfan1@m...] ... > through winamp, however, the problem is, I cannot change it > where Winamp and the plug-ins are my default player. Real From: Matthew Stringer Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 4:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush I'm going, I've been away for the last two weeks and have an lot of work to do as a result. Apologies for people stuck in my tree, I'll contact soon Matt On Monday 05 March 2001 12:47, you wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > The number of messages from people who say they are going to > > Shepherd's Bush > > > on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if > > you're > > > going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > > [cut] > > > Paul > > Hi! > > I'm another guy, who wants to go to Sheperd's Bush TD concert. > About me (in a few words): My name is Jakub, I'm a fan from Poland, > member of Polish TD mailgroup nince 1999, nowadays I live in Brighton, > UK. > I'd like to contact on priv with someone of you from UK, who are going > to Shepherd's Bush to get some details. Sorry, I have no possibilities > and no time to read messages on tadream e-group, so could you, please, > contact me on wyslannik@y... > > Best regards (special for Polish fans on this e-group :) ) > Polaris > [http://mp3.com/Jakub-Polaris] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH > (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH >my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my > address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 5:45 pm Subject: Dream Mixes site open TDI's 'Dream Mixes' page is now online, and it provides info about the upcoming DM3, subtitled 'The Past Hundred Moons': http://www.dream-mixes.de/ The site is filled with the kind self-congratulatory prose that I've come to expect from TDI, such as 'the success of 'Dream Mixes I' proved that the group could easily compete in today's club culture.' Yeah, whatever. I hear it played in the clubs all the time, don't you? Anyway, here's the track listing: 01. Prime Time 02. Astrophobia (Red Supernova Remix) 03. Stereolight 04. Diamonds and Dust 05. Blue Spears 06. Meng Tian (Smart Machine Remix) 07. Girl on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus 2001) 08. The spirit of the Czar 09. The Comfort Zone The site also provides an MP3 of the Meng Tien remix...and frankly, I hope the rest of the album is a cut above this one. Whereas the first Dream Mixes gave their sound a refreshing kick in the ass, moving things forward - this could be just another track from Mars Polaris. After a sort of interesting and atmospheric intro, it jumps right in with mediocre percussion; a weak, repetitive melody; and uninteresting sound design. But hey, maybe I'm just in a negative mood. What do the rest of you think? -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26271 Re: Dream Mixes site open Feldon Feldon Mon 3/5/2001 3 KB 26279 Re: Dream Mixes site open Gabe Yedid Tue 3/6/2001 4 KB 26283 Re: Dream Mixes site open glynn_naughton@h... Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB 26289 Re: Dream Mixes site open j.gordon Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB From: horrod6 Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 7:06 pm Subject: Re: SBE An addition to the list of people who'll be going - Dave (my husband the ex-C&W fan) will also be there: it is _his_ birthday treat, after all! We'll be travelling from Edinburgh, probably by cheap flight early on Saturday morning, if anybody wants to link up. I'm looking forward to meeting some of you. LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27204 SBE Heiko Heerssen Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27206 Re: SBE wyslannik@y... Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27205 Re: SBE Heiko Heerssen Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 27207 Re: SBE Heiko Heerssen Fri 5/25/2001 2 KB 28441 Re: SBE horrod6 Sun 8/12/2001 3 KB 28459 Re: SBE David Foster Mon 8/13/2001 3 KB 33014 SBE fozziebear Wed 3/27/2002 2 KB 33037 Re: SBE Heiko Heerssen Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 7:06 pm Subject: DM 3 Hi re. DM 3 site downloaded Meng Tian mix quite like this good to boogy too should get us going at SBE, bit worrying they have put the date for the gig on 13/05/01 when the rest of us will be turning up on the 12th. Cheers Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26363 DM 3 Gustavo Jobim Sat 3/10/2001 3 KB 26364 Re: DM 3 Greg Sat 3/10/2001 4 KB 26371 Re: DM 3 Sean Montgomery Sat 3/10/2001 5 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Mixes site open >From: Sean Montgomery >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:45:10 -0500 > >TDI's 'Dream Mixes' page is now online, and it provides info about the >upcoming DM3, subtitled 'The Past Hundred Moons': > >http://www.dream-mixes.de/ > >Anyway, here's the track listing: > >01. Prime Time >02. Astrophobia (Red Supernova Remix)* >03. Stereolight* >04. Diamonds and Dust* >05. Blue Spears >06. Meng Tian (Smart Machine Remix)* >07. Girl on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus 2001)* >08. The spirit of the Czar* >09. The Comfort Zone > >The site also provides an MP3 of the Meng Tien remix...and frankly, I >hope the rest of the album is a cut above this one. Whereas the first >Dream Mixes gave their sound a refreshing kick in the ass, moving things >forward - this could be just another track from Mars Polaris. After a >sort of interesting and atmospheric intro, it jumps right in with >mediocre percussion; a weak, repetitive melody; and uninteresting sound >design. But hey, maybe I'm just in a negative mood. What do the rest >of you think? I agree completely. It's like another Mars Polaris track. The first 40 seconds had great promise and I was really hoping for a lot. But then, well, you can imagine the rest. Hear it for yourself. I have to give Tangerine Dream points for not giving us a crippled, super-compressed preview mp3, but in fact the full 8 1/2 minute track at decent mp3 quality so we can really have a good listen and judge for ourselves. A lot of trust involved there. Note that Dream Mixes 3 contains all 6 of the Ground Liftaz 12' vinyl singles. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 5:57 pm Subject: Ed and Jerry's top 5 In order: 220 Volt Oasis DD Bonus Timesquare Quinoa (ext) From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 7:03 pm Subject: TDI Side update: 05. March 2001 Hi all, the TDI Web - Side was updated at 05. March 2001 www.tdi-music-mall.de and a NEW Tangerine Dream Web - Side was born: www.dreammixes.de or www.dreammixes.com both are available and both are the same . Dream on heiko Burg/Germany www.opticaldream.de (update: 03.03.2001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 6:04 pm Subject: FW: Ed and Jerry's top 5 Please change number 5 from Quinoa to Goblin's Club for me. > -----Original Message----- > > 220 Volt > Oasis > DD Bonus > Timesquare > Quinoa (ext) From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 6:28 pm Subject: Dream Mixes 3 Hi all, I just noticed that the 'Dream Mixes' wesite is up at: www.dreammixes.com Available is the tracklist for Dream Mixes 3 as well as a FULL LENGTH mp3 of the remix of Meng Tien from the disc. Tracklist is: 01. Prime Time 02. Astrophobia (Red Supernova Remix) 03. Stereolight 04. Diamonds and Dust 05. Blue Spears 06. Meng Tian (Smart Machine Remix) 07. Girl on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus 2001) 08. The spirit of the Czar 09. The comfort Zone James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26282 Re: Dream Mixes 3 Heiko Heerssen Tue 3/6/2001 2 KB 26305 Re: Dream Mixes 3 Frank Arellano Wed 3/7/2001 3 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 9:11 pm Subject: TD @ Shepherds Bush group created Hello there, As there are now a sizeable number of people going to the show in May, I've created a group called shepherdsbush2001. The idea is that we use this for all the boring practical stuff (accommodation/travel questions, pre/post-show get-together arrangements etc.) that is creating a lot of noise on tadream, and which I'm sure the majority of members have absolutely no interest in. I'll try and post some useful stuff there myself, seeing that as far as I'm aware I'm the only London resident who is going to the show. Bear in mind, though, that I'm in the middle of preparations for a move to Paris and don't have too much spare time at present. Just an experiment. I can always kill the group if it doesn't work out. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26277 Re: TD @ Shepherds Bush group created Joe Shoults Mon 3/5/2001 3 KB 26281 Re: TD @ Shepherds Bush group created glynn_naughton@h... Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 9:45 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD @ Shepherds Bush group created FWIW, I don't look at it as 'noise' at all. I'm thrilled that you can all gather here to make plans to gather in person. That's what the list about, pretty much. continue here on-list, or take it to a new list- whatever you're comfortable with. It's not like this happens veryoften anyway. If people are 'upset' about it, they can just go loosen their panties a little. ;-) BTW: What is the name and address of the bar where everybody's meeting again? Did you contact the bar? Are there any details that people should know about? reply and I'll post some info on tadream.net for our European site visitors to view. nd aAs I mentioned before, any new Okefenokee info/planning is welcome here, too. The date is sneaking up on us, and has been overshadowed a bit by other news, but this is still happening, AFAIK. Joes > -----Original Message----- > From: glynn_naughton@h... [mailto:glynn_naughton@h...] > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 4:11 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TD @ Shepherds Bush group created > > > Hello there, > > As there are now a sizeable number of people going to the show in > May, I've created a group called shepherdsbush2001. The idea is that > we use this for all the boring practical stuff (accommodation/travel > questions, pre/post-show get-together arrangements etc.) that is > creating a lot of noise on tadream, and which I'm sure the majority > of members have absolutely no interest in. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26281 Re: TD @ Shepherds Bush group created glynn_naughton@h... Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 11:19 pm Subject: Fwd: [Dominion] Re: the after lifes mailing list Hi The following appeared on The Sisters of Mercy list today. I believe the TD track is usually 'Fly & Collision of Cosmos Sola' from Alpha Centauri. Of course, when I saw them last in Glasgow they played something very different! Brian ---------------------------- From: 'Stuart Czuba' To: 'Dominion' Subject: [Dominion] Re: the after lifes mailing list Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 14:37:18 -0000 List-Id: Sisters mailing list X-BeenThere: dominion@t... Why do 600 people need to know about the settings of other peoples Mail software? And why would someone think the other 599 care enough to tell them? And while I'm here, the intro tape each night ran something like T Rex, Status Quo, a couple of Mark E Smith techno numbers and then the Tangerine Dream number started slowly drifting in and out of a slow accoustic based song with a guy singing in German (anyone know what this is?) before the Shirelles and flute/drums from TD. Tin Star are a far better support band than Paradise Lost. Stu _______________________________________________ Dominion mailing list Dominion@t... http://toybox.twisted.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dominion _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: Gabe Yedid Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 4:33 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Dream Mixes site open >===== Original Message From Sean Montgomery ===== >TDI's 'Dream Mixes' page is now online, and it provides info about the >upcoming DM3, subtitled 'The Past Hundred Moons': > >http://www.dream-mixes.de/ > >The site is filled with the kind self-congratulatory prose that I've >come to expect from TDI, such as 'the success of 'Dream Mixes I' proved >that the group could easily compete in today's club culture.' >Yeah, whatever. I hear it played in the clubs all the time, don't you? Well, at the time of DM I's release, there was at least a small grain (salt size? ;) of truth to this statement. I've stated at least twice on the list--and which you agreed with!--that 'Rough Embrace' could have made a good competitor for Robert Miles' 'Children' (although that was, admittedly, more a radio-friendly Eurodance-pop tune than serious club music), and, in 1995, might well have worked in large, commercial dance clubs. I would have to concur, however, that subsequent albums (including DM II) failed to keep pace and deliver on the promise of DM I. In fact, it might be worth debating as to whether or not DM I's success hurt the band later, since the more techno-ified style featured on the album would become a staple of subsequent albums, wearing it out faster than might otherwise have been the case. >The site also provides an MP3 of the Meng Tien remix...and frankly, I >hope the rest of the album is a cut above this one. Whereas the first >Dream Mixes gave their sound a refreshing kick in the ass, moving things >forward - this could be just another track from Mars Polaris. It's hard to put a lot of fancy improvements over a weak foundation that won't hold them. Personally, I never understood why 'Meng Tian' garnered the strong favourable reaction it did, and I really think that Jerome could have made a better choice than this one--aside from its strong bass line, this track leaves me pretty cold. It just sort of gets up and does what it does but never really seems to get going (or go anywhere interesting). It had nothing to do with it sounding dated; good old stuff is still good (as so many fans of classic TD love pointing out over and over...) If it's not a good remix, it's because it was a weak track to begin with. Certainly not the best online preview for the album, especially given that it contains both one of TD's bona fide (IMO) hits in 'Astrophobia', and reconstructions of 70s and 80s material. >design. But hey, maybe I'm just in a negative mood. Maybe I shouldn't point this out, but that seems to be a habit of yours lately. ;) >SEAN MONTGOMERY Gabe ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Victor Rek Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 4:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Update for Vic Rek's Homepage I wish I had extra time to make a nice Okefenokee web-page to let all the fans enjoy (maybe after Oke 2001 where we expect around 20 people). My web page ( http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/td_trade.htm ) has a link to Marcel's page that gives more info on the event. I'm preparing my SwampPak 21 offer for Oke-2001 this week. I'll post it here along with info about the upcoming event. Vic > not much discussion so far about Okefenokee - right around the corner, but > the info from last year is still at http://www.tadream.net if you need it. > I'll update it with the SwampPak 21 info when Vic sends it... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 7:53 am Subject: Re: TD @ Shepherds Bush group created OK, I'll bin it. However, no complaining is allowed when, nearer the time, the list starts to fill up with dozens of 'Re: Shepherds Bush meeting'-type messages :-) Glynn --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > FWIW, I don't look at it as 'noise' at all. I'm thrilled that you can all > gather here to make plans to gather in person. That's what the list about, > pretty much. continue here on-list, or take it to a new list- whatever > you're comfortable with. It's not like this happens veryoften anyway. If > people are 'upset' about it, they can just go loosen their panties a little. > ;-) > > BTW: What is the name and address of the bar where everybody's meeting > again? Did you contact the bar? Are there any details that people should > know about? reply and I'll post some info on tadream.net for our European > site visitors to view. > > nd aAs I mentioned before, any new Okefenokee info/planning is welcome here, > too. The date is sneaking up on us, and has been overshadowed a bit by > other news, but this is still happening, AFAIK. > > Joes > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: glynn_naughton@h... [mailto:glynn_naughton@h...] > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 4:11 PM > > To: tadream@y... > > Subject: [tadream] TD @ Shepherds Bush group created > > > > > > Hello there, > > > > As there are now a sizeable number of people going to the show in > > May, I've created a group called shepherdsbush2001. The idea is that > > we use this for all the boring practical stuff (accommodation/travel > > questions, pre/post-show get-together arrangements etc.) that is > > creating a lot of noise on tadream, and which I'm sure the majority > > of members have absolutely no interest in. > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 7:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Mixes 3 'Owens, James' schrieb: > Tracklist is: > 01. Prime Time > 02. Astrophobia (Red Supernova Remix) > 03. Stereolight > 04. Diamonds and Dust > 05. Blue Spears > 06. Meng Tian (Smart Machine Remix) > 07. Girl on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus 2001) > 08. The spirit of the Czar > 09. The comfort Zone So there are only 3 as yet unreleased tracks on this CD (Prime time, Blue spears & The comfort zone), the rest you can find on the Dream mixes 3 pre-release vinyls which were released 4 months ago...a bit disappointing if you'd ask me :-( Heiko From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 8:06 am Subject: Re: Dream Mixes site open >From: Sean Montgomery >Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 5:45pm >Subject: Dream Mixes site open > > >TDI's 'Dream Mixes' page is now online, and it provides info about >the upcoming DM3, subtitled 'The Past Hundred Moons': > >http://www.dream-mixes.de/ > >The site is filled with the kind self-congratulatory prose that I've >come to expect from TDI, such as 'the success of 'Dream Mixes I' >proved >that the group could easily compete in today's club culture.' Yeah, >whatever. I hear it played in the clubs all the time, don't you? Be fair - it's called advertising, and would still have been there if TD did not have their own label. Take a look at some of the flowery promotional stuff written about them by Miramar or indeed Virgin. In my last job, I once suggested that we take a new approach to promoting the company, and instead of the usual claptrap, we should simply say something along the lines of 'We're a small software development consultancy which is just like every other small consultancy, so use us if you want, but use someone else if it's more convenient.' I got an incredulous stare from the marketing manager... Glynn From: gmroger@p... Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 1:51 pm Subject: Re: Eddy & Jerry Hi again everyone. I just thought I'd add a few more comments to the subject, but bare in mind I haven't received for some reason digests Nos 813 & 814, and I'd rather not go through Yahoo! groups as it takes an eternity to open up, so I have one or two favours to ask. So far, from the information I have received, I've managed to collate votes from the following: Myself, Bert Hulshoff Heiko Heerssen Peter Ravn J. Gordon Rolf Elfstrom Utch Entel Brian Stewart Sean Montgomery Steven Feldman Gary Jenkins Joe Shoults James E. Jacoby Uwe Heiko Neumann Daniel Hobrecht Bob (pw098) Poul Erik Piotr S. Millenium Frank Arellano Morgan Lawry Simm With the kind exception of those whose lists featured in Digest 814 and were repeated in Digest 815, I don't know the votes cast by those who did so in digests 813 & 814. (And I assume my other comments were featured in Digest 813), so Frank, as the co- collator of this chart, can you forward me those whose lists I haven't yet received? As yet I haven't had Digest 817 posted. I'd like to add my comments to Zoning - I think this is a seriously underestimated album, and had my list extended to the Top 10, I think it would have featured at either 6 or 7. Indeed, my other choices for 6-10 would have been Goblins Club, Turn of the Tides, 220 Volt and What A Blast! Now the albums I didn't feature in my original list - Hopefully you read my comments regards Jim & Pablo and the CD given with the Millenium Pack (if they were published in one of those missing digests), but as regards Dream Encores - this is effectively a compilation, and certainly not all the tracks are Eddy & Jerry. This also goes for Tang-go - although the vast majority are E & J, some are not - and they all come from existing albums anyway (or the Dream Dice EP). Now we know DM 3 is not released until May (presumably to coincide with the London concert), I suggest we let this one run until the end of March. Okay, I think that's it. 35 of you voted for the best TD album last time around - there's now over 400 of you out there. Where the hell are you all? Let us all know what your favourite Eddy & Jerry albums are! Roger Hartopp -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26288 Re: Eddy & Jerry Joe Shoults Tue 3/6/2001 2 KB 26362 Re: Eddy & Jerry Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB 26295 Re: Eddy & Jerry ohmss76@a... Tue 3/6/2001 2 KB From: gmroger@p... Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 2:05 pm Subject: Re: Sony Center disc 'Matt, Dream Encore and Sony Center aren't on Roger's list either.' Isn't the extra CD given with the Millenium booster the 'Sony center' disc? Roger Hartopp -- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 2:49 pm Subject: Poll results for tadream The following tadream poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: The Weekly Studio/Soundtrack Album Discussions are winding down to a close. Some have suggested continuing with weekly Bootleg discussions; some have suggested covering the Solo works of the artists. Let us know what you would prefer in this poll. Discussions will follow a chronological format either way. CHOICES AND RESULTS - discuss Boots/fan CDRs, 15 votes, 32.61% - discuss Solo works, 21 votes, 45.65% - discuss neither, 1 votes, 2.17% - discuss both simultaneously, 9 votes, 19.57% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 36385 Poll results for tadream tadream@yahoogroups.com Sat 9/28/2002 2 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 2:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush I`m going as well but I dont see my name on any list . Have I been banned for being a cheeky TD rip off merchant :) Paul ps . How will i know who everybody is in the pub ? http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Stringer To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush > I'm going, I've been away for the last two weeks and have an lot of work to > do as a result. > > Apologies for people stuck in my tree, I'll contact soon > > Matt > > On Monday 05 March 2001 12:47, you wrote: > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > The number of messages from people who say they are going to > > > > Shepherd's Bush > > > > > on 12 May have diminished considerably in the last few days, so if > > > > you're > > > > > going and haven't admitted it yet, come out of lurk mode! > > > > [cut] > > > > > Paul > > > > Hi! > > > > I'm another guy, who wants to go to Sheperd's Bush TD concert. > > About me (in a few words): My name is Jakub, I'm a fan from Poland, > > member of Polish TD mailgroup nince 1999, nowadays I live in Brighton, > > UK. > > I'd like to contact on priv with someone of you from UK, who are going > > to Shepherd's Bush to get some details. Sorry, I have no possibilities > > and no time to read messages on tadream e-group, so could you, please, > > contact me on wyslannik@y... > > > > Best regards (special for Polish fans on this e-group :) ) > > Polaris > > [http://mp3.com/Jakub-Polaris] > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH > > (can burn copies), click here: > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH > >my address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my > > address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 2:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Eddy & Jerry You know Roger, you could run this as a poll on yahoogroups if you want to at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/polls it will track, graph and permanently store the results. Perhaps a bit easier than tracking results yourself. in fact, the polling section is open to anyone. if you want to run a poll yourself, just go there and create it. I just closed the poll that I forgot was running: 'should we discuss bootlegs or solo works now that the weekly album discussions are finished?'. note that it is not HTML-friendly, like it used to be back when it was onelist.com. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: gmroger@p... [mailto:gmroger@p...] ... > Okay, I think that's it. 35 of you voted for the best TD album last > time around - there's now over 400 of you out there. Where the hell > are you all? Let us all know what your favourite Eddy & Jerry > albums are! > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26362 Re: Eddy & Jerry Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 3:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Mixes site open > The site also provides an MP3 of the Meng Tien remix...and frankly, I > hope the rest of the album is a cut above this one. Whereas the first > Dream Mixes gave their sound a refreshing kick in the ass, moving things > forward - this could be just another track from Mars Polaris. After a > sort of interesting and atmospheric intro, it jumps right in with > mediocre percussion; a weak, repetitive melody; and uninteresting sound > design. But hey, maybe I'm just in a negative mood. What do the rest > of you think? i would have to agree, on all counts... it sounds like a track that never made it onto MP, this being due to the fact that they use many of the same voices... agreed with Morgan that the first 40 seconds (and would have to add another 6 or 7 seconds to cover the transition) was ripe with promise that never pans out... *sigh*... with the catalog of pieces to choose from, both to remix and to have as being the promo tune, this does not seem to be the best choice, from my perspective... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 6:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush lawlermusic wrote: > > I`m going as well but I dont see my name on any list . > Have I been banned for being a cheeky TD rip off merchant :) Quite the contrary! On the list posted by David Foster, you are referred as THE musician :-) Antonio Nunes From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 6:54 pm Subject: Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people sat in the corner lol. Cheers Gary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26294 Re: Re.People going to Shepherds Bush lawlermusic Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB 26298 Re: Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Brian Stewart Tue 3/6/2001 3 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 6:33 pm Subject: [tadream] The best TD sound ever Hi all, The following article in the March 2001 issue (number 259) of Record Collector has come to my attention and thought you'd be interested... **** RING THAT BELL As the battle to supersede CD hots up between exponents of Super Audio CD (SACD) and DVD Audio (DVDA), Virgin plan to issue around two-dozen classic albums as stereo SACDs over the coming year. In addition, they've collaborated with Philips/Sony to produce SACDs that feature not only CD remastered stereo and SACD stereo versions of an album, but also a multi-channel version based on original quadrophonic tape sources. The first such release is the 10-million-selling 1973 MIKE OLDFIELD album, 'Tubular Bells', which those who've heard it say is stunning. It's accompanied by a new booklet with revised artwork, sleevenotes by the original producer and surround mixer, and card inserts. 'Tubular Bells' may be followed by other issues from Oldfield's early quadrophonically-recorded catalogue, along with albums by TANGERINE DREAM. Virgin are also not ruling out DVDA releases in the future, although none have yet been commercially released in the UK. Other labels releasing SACDs this year include Chesky, the Italian audiophile specialists Fone, Turtle, Groove Note, Opus 3, Audioquest and Sony itself, which has already released several classic titles such as Jeff Beck's 'Blow By Blow', Carole King's 'Tapestry' and Celine Dion's 'All The Way', as well as sets from Mariah Carey, Bob Dylan and Ricky Martin. These and other SACDs can be acquired from: Vivante, Unit 4, 60 High Street, Hampton Wick, Surrey KT1 4DB; fax: 020 8977 4445; sales@v... (Before we replaced our vinyls with CDs, now we'll have to replace our CDs with SACDs :-)) Paul From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 6:58 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Middle aged people wearing an impressive array of TD/Ramones/Motorhead (possibly) t-shirts, ex fan-club badges and if Conrad has anything to do with it, name badges (God forbid!) :-) ---------- >De : 'Gary Jenkins' >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush >Date : Mar 6 mars 2001 19:54 > > Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have > any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people > sat in the corner lol. > Cheers Gary > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26321 Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Paul Fellows Wed 3/7/2001 4 KB 26329 Re: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds B Joe Shoults Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB 26338 Re: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds B Brian Stewart Thu 3/8/2001 4 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 7:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Jenkins To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush > Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have > any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people > sat in the corner lol. > Cheers Gary > I stand corrected . So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: ohmss76@a... Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Eddy & Jerry Ok Roger:) I give....here's my five! 220 Volt - that guitar work on Hamlet is just killer!!! Rockoon Turn of the Tides Goblin's Club The Hollywood Years Vol. 1 - enough decent cues on there to keep me happy:) All the best, SeanA From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush For the record I think that was on someone else's list. I haven't been compiling one. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Antonio Nunes To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush > > > lawlermusic wrote: > > > > I`m going as well but I dont see my name on any list . > > Have I been banned for being a cheeky TD rip off merchant :) > > Quite the contrary! On the list posted by David Foster, you are referred > as THE musician :-) > > Antonio Nunes > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 9:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush David Foster wrote: > > For the record I think that was on someone else's list. I haven't been > compiling one. You're right, sorry. BTW, even if I'll not go to Shepherd's Bush, the messages about this subject don't upset me at all, and I'm looking forward to reading the messages after the show. Antonio Nunes From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Tue Mar 6, 2001 11:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Hi Hope not! It is a long time since I've been out in London & Steve and I are out to enjoy ourselves! Just so long as we are in a fit state to pour ourselves on to the plane home at 19:00 on Sunday! How about one of the artistic list members designing a discrete image that can be printed out and made into a pin-badge? Most craft/DIY/art/toy shops stock blank badges that you can stick an image to. I think that wearing my 'historic' (ie clapped-out) original Motorhead t-shirt might get me arrested! Best wishes Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Jenkins To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush >Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have >any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people >sat in the corner lol. >Cheers Gary > I stand corrected . So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Miles MacMillan' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 5:28 am Subject: Soungmill Navigator Hi folks, Brand new to the list here. I just had a question about the CD Soundmill Navigator. I was wondering why the sound quality is so poor for this CD. Specifically, I was wondering about the pulsating 'hiss-like' noise that appears about 3:20 into the disc and continues to the end of it. When I first purchased the CD I assumed my copy was defective and returned it for a new one. When I received the new copy, I noticed the same noise on it. I even downloaded the first 5 minutes of the song off someone from Napster and found the same noise to be present. Is this a problem with the mastering or does it have to do with the original recording of the instruments? Is there a version of the CD around that isn't flawed? I find it very hard to listen to. Any information regarding this would be helpful. I was also wondering about the proposed US summer tour. Is there any word that there might be any Canadian dates such as Toronto? I've never seen Tangerine Dream live and would love to check them out if they came anywhere close to here. Thank you. Miles MacMillan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 2:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator Miles, above are some posts over the last year from various members which you might find a suitable response to your request. Kindest regards, Morgan. --------------------------------------------------- From: Airwave Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com To: Subject: [tadream] Denoised Soundmill Navigator. Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:57:59 +0100 Hi gang. Pleased to announce that I'm now playing a denoised copy of Soundmill Navigator. I was so appalled by the low sound quality presented by TD and TDI here that I just had to do something about it. After analyzing the fft fft fft sound I noticed that it resides very high in the frequency range. Meaning it is very easy to remove. The negative aspect is that the infernal fft fft fft noise could easily have been removed before [Edgar played all new year 2000 sounds on top of it] and with the added new synth textures, noone would ever have noticed an ever so slight degrade of the original recording. (Take note of that on behalf of TDI Martin Kay) I don't mean any disrespect toward TD and TDI by doing this changing of the original TDI release. I'm just horrified by the apparent lack of quality sense by TD / TDI. The Soundmill should never have been released if TD / TDI had felt the end result was below normal standard, and it clearly is IMO. --------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Morgan M.' Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com To: tadream@egroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] end of Tangentization b*tching by this list member Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:34:14 CDT [...] And as to my complaints about Antique Dreams already, there was not adequate warning for Soundmill Navigator to hardcore fans that it would be essentially a new album with some backing tape of the original concert, instead of what we all hoped for, which is an ARCHIVAL RELEASE. Especially since TDI posted a message here on this list that it would be undoctored. So I am not trying to start a humongous war, just warn people that once again, history is being rewritten in the key of Edgar. [...] -------------------------------------------------- Hi Gang, this is the most recent entry in the TD guestbook page... This guy surely has a sense of humour! (or was it meant to be taken seriously?) From Steve Dinsdale at Thu, 25/May/00 14:15: Congratulations on the artistic triumph of `Soundmill Navigator'. I have waited years to hear Edgar playing his lovely new digital keyboard while a bootleg of a radio broadcast from 1976 plays in the background. Great idea to play it in a different key too. It certainly knocks those dismal 70's albums (with those other two blokes that used to hang around with you) into second place! I'm sure that you must have dug deep into the famous bank vault in London (of EVERY gig TD ever did) to find something of such rare quality. It's very odd though, that deterioration of the 8-Track tape caused a multichannel recording to turn into a well circulated cassette of a concert that was broadcast live on German radio. Still...that year's worth of painstaking mastering has obviously paid off.The constant clicking really adds to the whole thing. Dream on ! You guys are great, the Dream lasts forever !! Looking forward to Antique Dreams..please remember to play nice and loudly over the quiet bits of `Overture' Edgar. Yours with deep respect, Steve ----------------------------------------------------------- >From: 'Miles MacMillan' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:28:08 -0800 > >Hi folks, > >Brand new to the list here. > >I just had a question about the CD Soundmill Navigator. I was wondering >why the sound quality is so poor for this CD. Specifically, I was >wondering about the pulsating 'hiss-like' noise that appears about 3:20 >into the disc and continues to the end of it. When I first purchased the >CD I assumed my copy was defective and returned it for a new one. When I >received the new copy, I noticed the same noise on it. I even downloaded >the first 5 minutes of the song off someone from Napster and found the same >noise to be present. Is this a problem with the mastering or does it have >to do with the original recording of the instruments? Is there a version >of the CD around that isn't flawed? I find it very hard to listen to. Any >information regarding this would be helpful. >I was also wondering about the proposed US summer tour. Is there any word >that there might be any Canadian dates such as Toronto? I've never seen >Tangerine Dream live and would love to check them out if they came anywhere >close to here. Just to let you know, the concert tour in the US (if it happens, very skeptical) will be a promotional tour for the Dream Mixes 3 album, which is entirely dance music. Just thought you ought to know. I might go just to be in the same room with Edgar Froese. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Victor Rek Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 3:45 am Subject: Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket Here are a few items I do not have on my website that I'm looking for. These are items that just came to mind and I may trade for. If you have an item on the list to trade, please ask me for a very special item that I can offer which I will NOT publish to any list. MINI WANT LIST: 1. Haslinger - World Without Rules CD 2. Dream Encores TDI CD004 3. Dream Mixes One TDI CD005 4. Dream Mixes Vol. 2 (Timesquare) TDI CD006 5. Oasis TDI CD009 6. Transsiberia TDI CD012 Items 2-6 MUST have Euro Only barcode on back (no US/Canada barcode). These are identified with a long rectangular code on the right edge of the tray insert and says 'distributed by EFA' above it. Note: I have Euro only barcode versions of Quinoa and Hollywood Years Vol. 2 FOR TRADE! 7. Haslinger - Planetary Traveller VCD Asian release 8. Stratosfear - 8-track release either US (Virgin PZA 34427) or UK (Virgin XV 2068) 9. Phaedra - 8-track release UK Virgin 8XV 2010 10. Rubycon - 8-track release UK Virign 8XV 2025 Also, I am thinking of trading my Optical Race Tour Jacket - contact me if you're interested. And, does anyone know what a MARS POLARIS CD mis-pressing is going for these days??? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26304 Re: Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket herold.u@t... Wed 3/7/2001 4 KB 26310 Re: Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket Victor Rek Wed 3/7/2001 5 KB From: 'tadream' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 3:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Eddy and Jerry's Top 5 My top 5 220 Volt Mars Polaris Oasis Rumplestiltskin Dream Mixes I --Bennett From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 4:42 am Subject: Mini Want List Hi Vic! I can help you out with the Haslinger CD. Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26309 Re: Mini Want List Victor Rek Wed 3/7/2001 3 KB From: herold.u@t... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket Hi Vic, i can help you out with the 'European' TDi releases. Contact me off-list. mailto: herold.u@t... cheers, Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Victor Rek' To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 4:45 AM Subject: [tadream] Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket > Here are a few items I do not have on my website that I'm looking for. > These are items that just came to mind and I may trade for. If you have > an item on the list to trade, please ask me for a very special item that > I can offer which I will NOT publish to any list. > > MINI WANT LIST: > 1. Haslinger - World Without Rules CD > 2. Dream Encores TDI CD004 > 3. Dream Mixes One TDI CD005 > 4. Dream Mixes Vol. 2 (Timesquare) TDI CD006 > 5. Oasis TDI CD009 > 6. Transsiberia TDI CD012 > Items 2-6 MUST have Euro Only barcode on back (no US/Canada barcode). > These are identified with a long rectangular code on the right edge of > the tray insert and says 'distributed by EFA' above it. > Note: I have Euro only barcode versions of Quinoa and Hollywood Years > Vol. 2 FOR TRADE! > > 7. Haslinger - Planetary Traveller VCD Asian release > 8. Stratosfear - 8-track release either US (Virgin PZA 34427) or UK > (Virgin XV 2068) > 9. Phaedra - 8-track release UK Virgin 8XV 2010 > 10. Rubycon - 8-track release UK Virign 8XV 2025 > > Also, I am thinking of trading my Optical Race Tour Jacket - contact me > if you're interested. > > And, does anyone know what a MARS POLARIS CD mis-pressing is going for > these days??? > > Vic > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 8:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Mixes 3 Not for us that don't have or couldn't afford the vinyls. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Mixes 3 > > > 'Owens, James' schrieb: > > > Tracklist is: > > 01. Prime Time > > 02. Astrophobia (Red Supernova Remix) > > 03. Stereolight > > 04. Diamonds and Dust > > 05. Blue Spears > > 06. Meng Tian (Smart Machine Remix) > > 07. Girl on the Stairs (Rien ne va plus 2001) > > 08. The spirit of the Czar > > 09. The comfort Zone > > So there are only 3 as yet unreleased tracks on this CD (Prime time, Blue spears & The comfort zone), the rest you can find on the Dream mixes 3 pre-release vinyls which were released 4 months ago...a bit > disappointing if you'd ask me :-( > > Heiko > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 9:26 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] Soungmill Navigator Welcome to the list, Miles. Enjoy :o) Poul I've never seen TD live as well, but I think we ought to persuade TD to come 'round Scandinavia first :o) They've never been here ( to my knowledge ). And a lot of us scandinvians would like to see them here ASAP. OK, a joke, but still....I think TD owe us a tour around these parts :o) > Hi folks, > > Brand new to the list here. > I was also wondering about the proposed US summer tour. Is there any word that there might be any Canadian dates such as Toronto? I've never seen Tangerine Dream live and would love to check them out if they came anywhere close to here. > > Thank you. > > Miles MacMillan From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Mar 5, 2001 6:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] aiwa cdr for 275$ at crutchfield God that's an absolute fortune! You can get a Plextor 12x burner, 10x rewrite, 32x audio read for $20 less than that. You can write a music CD in just under 7 minutes and read an entire 74 minute CD (no skips) to your hard drive in 175 SECONDS! And the rewrite speed is 10 times faster than a Zip drive. On that Aiwa, it takes 38 minutes to copy a music CD. On the Plextor? 10 minutes. Plus, I can use 50 cent blanks (Memorex Platinum seem to perform the best). The Aiwa one you mention requires special $2 Audio CD-R blanks. Not to burst your bubble, but I hate to see people ripped off. And standalone is an absolute ripoff. And the days of having to 'leave your computer alone while you burn' are gone. The Plextor described above, when connected on its own IDE cable or on a $40 ATA/66 controller card is not affected by computer activity. You can do light web browsing, chatting, playing mp3s, etc. And if you accidentially tie up the computer for a few moments, the burner can stop (with the appropriate, included software), and start again without hurting the disc. It's called Burnproof technology, and it came out last year. I have 2 of the Plextors, I love em and recommend them to everyone. -Morgan >From: Aeonblue@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] aiwa cdr for 275$ at crutchfield >Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 03:38:16 EST > >I know this isn't exactly on topic, but there are alot of people looking >for a good standalone burner. > >HREF='http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-6w4PqAQ7TjW/ProdView.asp?I=570XCRW70\ 0'>http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-6w4PqAQ7TjW/ProdView.asp?I=570XCRW700 > >Crutchfield is having a great sale on a Awia Cd recorder. I ordered one >and absolutely love it! It's 399 bucks at best buy but crutchfield has >it for 299! This is a great company to order from and has a wonderful >return >program if it doesn't work out. Also, they have a referal program where >you get an additional 25 dollars off if you use my referal code: 20686263 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: colin_anderson@o... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 11:42 am Subject: Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top 5 Dream Mixes Timesquare Tournado Rockoon Goblins Club Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26339 Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top 5 Rimas Lazutka Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB From: Victor Rek Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 11:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mini Want List Thanks Rick! What do you want for it? I have some Russians CDs if you're interested. Vic rbrown4856@a... wrote: > Hi Vic! > > I can help you out with the Haslinger CD. > > Rick > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Victor Rek Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket Hi Uwe, Thank you and I just may be interested. I will get back to you this evening with some more details. What would you like for them? Vic herold.u@t... wrote: > Hi Vic, > > i can help you out with the 'European' TDi releases. > Contact me off-list. > mailto: herold.u@t... > > cheers, > Uwe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Victor Rek' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 4:45 AM > Subject: [tadream] Mini Want List + Optical Race Tour Jacket > > > Here are a few items I do not have on my website that I'm looking for. > > These are items that just came to mind and I may trade for. If you have > > an item on the list to trade, please ask me for a very special item that > > I can offer which I will NOT publish to any list. > > > > MINI WANT LIST: > > 1. Haslinger - World Without Rules CD > > 2. Dream Encores TDI CD004 > > 3. Dream Mixes One TDI CD005 > > 4. Dream Mixes Vol. 2 (Timesquare) TDI CD006 > > 5. Oasis TDI CD009 > > 6. Transsiberia TDI CD012 > > Items 2-6 MUST have Euro Only barcode on back (no US/Canada barcode). > > These are identified with a long rectangular code on the right edge of > > the tray insert and says 'distributed by EFA' above it. > > Note: I have Euro only barcode versions of Quinoa and Hollywood Years > > Vol. 2 FOR TRADE! > > > > 7. Haslinger - Planetary Traveller VCD Asian release > > 8. Stratosfear - 8-track release either US (Virgin PZA 34427) or UK > > (Virgin XV 2068) > > 9. Phaedra - 8-track release UK Virgin 8XV 2010 > > 10. Rubycon - 8-track release UK Virign 8XV 2025 > > > > Also, I am thinking of trading my Optical Race Tour Jacket - contact me > > if you're interested. > > > > And, does anyone know what a MARS POLARIS CD mis-pressing is going for > > these days??? > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m > y address is: > > > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% > 20address is: > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Thomas Bertilsson' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 12:34 pm Subject: Re: The best TD sound ever / Mike Oldfield anyone? Hi Paul, that's very interesting news. It's going to be a treat to hear the quad version! Thanks for the info, might just have to upgrade to an SACD player. That format seems to be very well thought through, since SACD discs are backwards compatible with CD players. Read more below... > Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 19:33:33 +0100 > From: 'Paul Fellows' > Subject: The best TD sound ever > Hi all, > The following article in the March 2001 issue (number 259) of Record Collector has come to my attention and thought you'd be interested... > **** > RING THAT BELL > As the battle to supersede CD hots up between exponents of Super Audio CD (SACD) and DVD Audio (DVDA), Virgin plan to issue around two-dozen classic albums as stereo SACDs over the coming year. In addition, they've collaborated with Philips/Sony to produce SACDs that feature not only CD remastered stereo and SACD stereo versions of an album, but also a multi-channel version based on original quadrophonic tape sources. The first such release is the 10-million-selling 1973 MIKE OLDFIELD album, 'Tubular Bells', which those who've heard it say is stunning. It's accompanied by a new booklet with revised artwork, sleevenotes by the original producer and surround mixer, and card inserts. * Are there a lot of Mike Oldfield fans on the list??? I have plenty of old picture 7'singles and pretty hard to get items if anyone's interested... Contact me offline, please. > (Before we replaced our vinyls with CDs, now we'll have to replace our CDs with SACDs :-)) * I did it the other way around and replaced as many of my CDs with vinyl instead... heh! Don't need anything sounding better than my dear vintage vinyl. Thomas From: 'Thomas Bertilsson' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 12:38 pm Subject: Eddy and Jerry top five Here are my favorites: 1. 220 Volt live 2. Dream Mixes 3. Mars Polaris 4. I havn't heard all of Dream Mixes 3 yet obviously, but the 12'single are pretty fabulous, especially 'Stereolight', so I take my chances with the other tracks on that upcoming CD and place it fourth. 5. Goblins Club Thomas From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 3:42 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] aiwa cdr for 275$ at crutchfield yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. why even get an external anyway? internals are under $100. I just saw an external USB CDRW for $158US at pricewatch.com -----Original Message----- From: Feldon Feldon God that's an absolute fortune! You can get a Plextor 12x burner, 10x rewrite, 32x audio read for $20 less than that. ... >From: Aeonblue@a... ... >Crutchfield is having a great sale on a Awia Cd recorder. I ordered one >and absolutely love it! It's 399 bucks at best buy but crutchfield has From: veine@v... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 3:53 pm Subject: Complete list of fan recordings Hello; I'm fairly new to the list, but am enjoying all the mails that I recieve aboout my all time favorite group. :) I've been a TD fan since the mid 80's and am trying desperately to fill my collection, and when I think I'm kinda 'up-to- date' I discover so much more, and I had no idea there was so many fan recordings out there. Does anyone have a complete list of these, with titles, tracklistings and minutes? I've found one published, but don't think it's complete, or it might be that I don't know of all official releases. Thanks in advance ~Veine -- Get your firstname@l... email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 4:17 pm Subject: Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Does anybody know if there are any CDs available by this guy ? He wrote the music to such films as Zombie flesh eaters . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26316 Re: fabbio frizzi ohmss76@a... Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB From: ohmss76@a... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 6:19 pm Subject: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Hi Paul, there are some of his horror scores available, which is most of his output AFAIK. They are on Beat records, and can be bought from places like www.screenarchives.com www.intrada.com There is an album for City of the Walking Dead,The Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). Hope that helps! Sean A From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 6:40 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? classic! > -----Original Message----- > Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to > find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26318 SV: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Pergamon Wed 3/7/2001 3 KB 26320 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi ohmss76@a... Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB 26322 OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi glynn_naughton@h... Wed 3/7/2001 4 KB 26323 OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi glynn_naughton@h... Wed 3/7/2001 4 KB 26324 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Mark Coyle Wed 3/7/2001 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 6:45 pm Subject: SV: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Thank you very much, for reminding me of that image...... YUUUUUMMMMMIIIEEEEE!!!!!!! Jan > is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a > chick's hair > and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? > classic! > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to > > find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream > List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to > join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the > distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as > BRANCH my address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: horrod6 Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 818 Gary said: 'So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards' Cue small cough. I know I said I'm an atypical woman, but even you middle-aged men _should_ still be able to tell the difference! And I'm all for going out on the piss afterwards, b.t.w. LnH Marion P.S. Gary, my tongue is firmly in my cheek: please, no panicky apologetic e-mails (you know who you are, panicky apologetic e-mailer). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26327 Re: Digest Number 818 Gary Jenkins Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB 26330 SV: [tadream] Digest Number 818 Pergamon Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB 26333 Re: Digest Number 818 lawlermusic Thu 3/8/2001 4 KB 26348 Re: Digest Number 818 horrod6 Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB 26356 Re: Digest Number 818 Craig Cordrey Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB 26357 Re: Digest Number 818 Craig Cordrey Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB From: ohmss76@a... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:14 pm Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? classic<<<<<<<<<<<< Right! Classic Fulci:) Zombi Fu!!!! Frizzi's music is pretty 'inspired' by Goblin though....incidentally, any TD fans here who dig that band? Conatamination has just been reissued, and the score for the new Dario Argento film Io non Sonno is out, both by Goblin. And to stay close to topic, their score for BUIO OMEGA is worth checking out for TD fans IMO;-) Best, Sean A From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:05 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Could be worse, if it was a Madonna t-shirt for example... And just think, if we wore badges, it would mean we'd be closer to understanding how a woman feels when blokes keep staring at her chest.... Sorry, I've got a warped sense of humour... Paul ---------- >De : 'Brian Stewart' >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : Re: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush >Date : Mer 7 mars 2001 0:06 > > Hi > > Hope not! It is a long time since I've been out in London & Steve and I are > out to enjoy ourselves! Just so long as we are in a fit state to pour > ourselves on to the plane home at 19:00 on Sunday! > > How about one of the artistic list members designing a discrete image that > can be printed out and made into a pin-badge? Most craft/DIY/art/toy shops > stock blank badges that you can stick an image to. > > I think that wearing my 'historic' (ie clapped-out) original Motorhead > t-shirt might get me arrested! > > Best wishes > > > Brian > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Jenkins > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:54 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush > > >>Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have >>any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people >>sat in the corner lol. >>Cheers Gary >> > I stand corrected . So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home > by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards > > Paul > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:33 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair > and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? > classic! > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to > > find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). The best bit is where someone is about to be attacked by a shark...and then suddenly an underwater zombie appears and attacks the shark. One of the great _dei ex machina_ in the history of, er, art, on a par with the convenient spaceship in The Life of Brian. I think I posted about this when doing a _Firestarter_ review, but I have a tremendous nostalgia for those garbage 'video nasties' (most of which, incidentally, are still banned in the UK). Way back in 1982, one of my friends' families had a VCR, which was a seriously new piece of kit back then (VCRs didn't really arrive in the UK until late '83/early '84) and we would all pile round to watch videos. At that time, big Hollywood films were not available on video: practically the only films on offer were 'nasties' - Zombie Flesh Eaters, I Spit On Your Grave, Cannibal Ferox (the most spectacular farrago of gore ever committed to film - see www.cannibalferox.com), Dawn of the Dead, Nightmares in a Damaged Brain. Not forgetting the trash action films like Escape from New York, The Warriors (whose fatuous piss-on-the-law style message was a dead cert to appeal to spotty 14-year-old boys for whom crossing a road against a red light was a major criminal act), The Wanderers. The vast majority of these films had cheap and nasty synthesiser scores - the theme to _Zombie Flesh Eaters_ in particular is absolutely hilarious. A few years later, however, came _Day of the Dead_ which has, IMO, by far the best synthesiser score ever recorded - composed by one John Harrison. The opening theme, accompanying the section where the helicopter lands in Fort Myers, is really amazing. See www.creepyclips.com for loads of clips from these films. Glynn From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:34 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair > and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? > classic! > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to > > find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair > and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? > classic! > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Beyond(L'Aldlia), and a ltd. edition which may be hard to > > find of Zombie(Lucio Fulci film). The best bit is where someone is about to be attacked by a shark...and then suddenly an underwater zombie appears and attacks the shark. One of the great _dei ex machina_ in the history of, er, art - on a par with the convenient spaceship in The Life of Brian. I think I posted about this when doing a _Firestarter_ review, but I have a tremendous nostalgia for those garbage 'video nasties' (most of which, incidentally, are still banned in the UK). Way back in 1982, one of my friends' families had a VCR, which was a seriously new piece of kit back then (VCRs didn't really arrive in the UK until late '83/early '84) and we would all pile round to watch videos. At that time, big Hollywood films were not available on video: practically the only films on offer were 'nasties' - Zombie Flesh Eaters, I Spit On Your Grave, Cannibal Ferox (the most spectacular farrago of gore ever committed to film - see www.cannibalferox.com), Dawn of the Dead, Nightmares in a Damaged Brain. Not forgetting the trash action films like Escape from New York, The Warriors (whose fatuous piss-on-the-law style message was a dead cert to appeal to spotty 14-year-old boys for whom crossing a road against a red light was a major criminal act), The Wanderers. The vast majority of these films had cheap and nasty synthesiser scores - the theme to _Zombie Flesh Eaters_ in particular is absolutely hilarious. A few years later, however, came _Day of the Dead_ which has, IMO, by far the best synthesiser score ever recorded - composed by one John Harrison. The opening theme, accompanying the section where the helicopter lands in Fort Myers, is really amazing. See www.creepyclips.com for loads of clips from these films. Glynn From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 7:37 pm Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Hi > Frizzi's music is pretty 'inspired' by Goblin though....incidentally, any TD fans here who dig that band? > Conatamination has just been reissued, and the score for the new Dario Argento film Io non Sonno is out, both by Goblin. Now you're talking. The soundtrack to Dario Argento's SUSPIRIA by Goblin is an all time EM classic. Weaving a mood TD type synth score, piercing fuzz lead guitar, sound effects, incantations and spells whispered by the band, Dario Argento and his very influential partner of the time (who knew all the witchcraft). The score is amazing and very dense. I would recommend it as an all time great which Goblin never quite matched, I think because the symbiosis of Dario Argento then at his peak and their music gelled so well. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 8:41 pm Subject: OT: RE: RE: [tadream] Re: RE:fabbio frizzi 'banned in the UK'??? I guess that's just odd to me, having a 1st amendment and all. > farrago of gore ever committed to film - see www.cannibalferox.com), ugh. what a horribly-done website. 'Cannibal Ferox' looks close to 'Cannibal Holocaust', not about zombies, but another Italian gore classic. From: 'Steve Yensen' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 9:27 pm Subject: RE: Top five from the Froese's my Top Five: 1. Oasis - bloody brilliant 2. Mars Polaris - finger lickin' good 3. Timesquare (Dream Mixes 2) - another good 'un 4. 220 Volt - for 'Sundance Kid' only 5. Tyranny of Beauty - for Stratosfear 1995 only Cheers, Steve in Nottingham, UK - -- Home: steve@y... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 9:48 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 818 --- In tadream@ hey no offence taken :) but it was not me who said that, it was that young musician (very talented by the way) Mr.Lawler. Cheers Gary > 'So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home > by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards' > > Cue small cough. I know I said I'm an atypical woman, but even you > middle-aged men _should_ still be able to tell the difference! > > And I'm all for going out on the piss afterwards, b.t.w. > > LnH > > Marion > > P.S. Gary, my tongue is firmly in my cheek: please, no panicky > apologetic e-mails (you know who you are, panicky apologetic e- mailer). From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 10:00 pm Subject: Re.Suspiria Yes Mark I agree a classic soundtrack I remember first seeing it at the cinema when it was released the opening scenes have always stuck in my mind the thunderstorm and the very loud Goblin score made it very frightening at the time.I have now got it on DVD did not have the same effect but still a classic horror flick. Cheers Gary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26331 Re: Re.Suspiria Mark Coyle Wed 3/7/2001 2 KB 26343 Re: Re.Suspiria Gary Jenkins Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 10:46 pm Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush some links on http://www.tadream.net about the Moon on the Green pub. I know onee is broken but I gotta run; will fix it later. From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 10:48 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Digest Number 818 > Cue small cough. I know I said I'm an atypical woman, but even you > middle-aged men _should_ still be able to tell the difference! **LOL** hehe....that was a good one =) Jan > And I'm all for going out on the piss afterwards, b.t.w. > Marion From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Wed Mar 7, 2001 11:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.Suspiria Hi > Yes Mark I agree a classic soundtrack I remember first seeing it at > the cinema when it was released the opening scenes have always stuck > in my mind the thunderstorm and the very loud Goblin score made it > very frightening at the time.I have now got it on DVD did not have > the same effect but still a classic horror flick. Which DVD did you get Gary? Anything extra interesting? Of course you can tell now with the 'witchhhhhhh' whispers that they are giving away who the three witches are as part of the musical soundtrack, very clever. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26343 Re: Re.Suspiria Gary Jenkins Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 7:59 am Subject: collectable item on e-bay Hi everyone, If anyone would like to bid, I've re-auctioned the following item on e-bay. Clicking on the link will take you straight there. 1997 Tournado tour double-sided promotional postcard, signed on rear by Edgar, Jerome, Zlatco and Emil. Highly collectable. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1414728399 Good luck! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 12:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Digest Number 818 Illustration) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Jenkins To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Digest Number 818 > --- In tadream@ > hey no offence taken :) but it was not me who said that, it was that > young musician (very talented by the way) Mr.Lawler. > Cheers Gary > > ooops ! you cant blame me for not expecting that a girl may be among the audience . I have never met a single female that likes EM . Mind you I haven`t met many people at all that do . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & > > > > 'So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean home > > by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards' > > > > Cue small cough. I know I said I'm an atypical woman, but even you > > middle-aged men _should_ still be able to tell the difference! > > > > And I'm all for going out on the piss afterwards, b.t.w. > > > > LnH > > > > Marion > > > > P.S. Gary, my tongue is firmly in my cheek: please, no panicky > > apologetic e-mails (you know who you are, panicky apologetic e- > mailer). > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: hilary.wright@a... Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 1:31 am Subject: Sonic Render Throbbing Up¨Polyphony Score I am trying to locate the origin of this CD. Is it a recognised bootleg? If so where from etc? Can you help? Hilary From: Victor Rek Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 3:53 am Subject: Mars Polaris Mis-Pressing for TRADE Here is a rare opportunity to have a shot at getting the very rare Mars Polaris mis-pressing which was actually meant to be a TDI Promo CD. It has tracks from Mars Polaris and Great Wall of China (11 tracks total - not 10 like the regular release). This release is documented on the TD website. I will only trade for very rare items or items that are at the top of my want list. Some items I can consider are Japanese Firestarter CD + M. Hoenig Japanese CD, Aqua II LP, very rare 7' singles from Encore or Grind/Grind, etc. Contact we with offers off list. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26341 Aqua II ???????? Pergamon Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB 26349 Mars Polaris Mis-Pressing for TRADE Felna Greymane Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB 26368 Re: Mars Polaris Mis-Pressing for TRADE Victor Rek Sat 3/10/2001 3 KB From: Jens Kilian Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:00 am Subject: Punctured eyeballs... On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:40:51 -0500, Joe Shoults wrote: > is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair > and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball? > classic! To bring this thread back on topic, a punctured (or rather, slit with a razor) eyeball is also featured in _Un chien andalou_, scripted by Luis Buñuel and Salvador Dalí, and Dalí had a great influence on Tangerine Dream. ;-) Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26337 Re: Punctured eyeballs... Synthhtnys@a... Thu 3/8/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Punctured eyeballs... To bring this thread back on topic, a punctured (or rather, slit with a razor) eyeball is also featured in _Un chien andalou_, scripted by Luis Buñuel and Salvador Dalí, and Dalí had a great influence on Tangerine Dream. ;-) Jens. *Yeah, I've seen that... it was made in what? the 30's? VERY DISTURBING! Way ahead of its time... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 10:22 am Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush Hi Paul Who said anything about wearing it on your chest! The following is from the Sisters list: When the intro tape, this strange Shirelles / Tangerine Dream mix, started, I began to get nervous, really excited... The Sisters started with their standard opener 'First And Last And Always', always nice, always safe, but I personally liked 'Anaconda' from last year's Hildesheim gig much more, because it was more exciting. Too bad they skipped it from Colognes setlist. They have an FTP-site. I wonder if someone has put it on. My own soundcard is disabled. Best Brian ------------------------------- Could be worse, if it was a Madonna t-shirt for example... And just think, if we wore badges, it would mean we'd be closer to understanding how a woman feels when blokes keep staring at her chest.... Sorry, I've got a warped sense of humour... Paul ---------- >De : 'Brian Stewart' >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : Re: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush >Date : Mer 7 mars 2001 0:06 > >Hi > >Hope not! It is a long time since I've been out in London & Steve and I >are >out to enjoy ourselves! Just so long as we are in a fit state to pour >ourselves on to the plane home at 19:00 on Sunday! > >How about one of the artistic list members designing a discrete image that >can be printed out and made into a pin-badge? Most craft/DIY/art/toy shops >stock blank badges that you can stick an image to. > >I think that wearing my 'historic' (ie clapped-out) original Motorhead >t-shirt might get me arrested! > >Best wishes > > >Brian > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Gary Jenkins >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:54 PM >Subject: [tadream] Re.People going to Shepherds Bush > > >>Hi Paul you are on Paul Fellows list dated 28/02 you should not have >>any problem recognising us we will be a bunch of middle aged people >>sat in the corner lol. >>Cheers Gary >> >I stand corrected . So as its a bunch of middle aged men does that mean >home >by 10.30 or are people going out on the piss afterwards > >Paul > >http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler >http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- >http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Rimas Lazutka' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 11:00 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Eddie and Jerry's Top 5 here's my top5: 1.Dream Mixes 2.Goblins Club 3.Tournado 4.Timesquare 5.Tyranny of beauty Rimas Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 2:18 am Subject: TD 8-track releases For Victor Rek, I have the 8-track UK releases of Phaedra, Rubycon and Stratosfear (and also Ricochet) if you are still interested in these. Please contact me privately to see if we can arrange a trade. - Chris From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 11:54 am Subject: Aqua II ???????? > Some items I can consider are Japanese Firestarter CD + M. > Hoenig Japanese CD, Aqua II LP,..... What the .... Can anyone please fill me in on this one. Have never heard of an 'Aqua II', is this a boot, or????? what tracks are on this album?????? Regards Jan From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 7:16 am Subject: Punctured eyeballs: gimmee a break! On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:00:33 +0100 (MET) Jens Kilian writes: > To bring this thread back on topic, a punctured (or rather, slit > with a razor) eyeball is also featured in _Un chien andalou_, > scripted by Luis Buñuel and Salvador Dalí, and Dalí had a > great influence on Tangerine Dream. Keee-ripes!!! Can we cease this eyeball abuse horseshit? I would like to actually read a post to this list, now and then, you know! -- Steven Feldman [joe] Kee-ripes. weak stomach there today, Steve? in fact, I think Jens is right. Edgar's personality in some ways reminds me of the air of high-artsy avant-garde eccentricity of Dali. From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 6:44 pm Subject: Re: Re.Suspiria --- In tadream@y..., 'Mark Coyle' wrote: > Hi > > > Yes Mark I agree a classic soundtrack I remember first seeing it at > > the cinema when it was released the opening scenes have always stuck > > in my mind the thunderstorm and the very loud Goblin score made it > > very frightening at the time.I have now got it on DVD did not have > > the same effect but still a classic horror flick. > > Which DVD did you get Gary? Anything extra interesting? > Of course you can tell now with the 'witchhhhhhh' whispers that they are giving away > who the three witches are as part of the musical soundtrack, very clever. > cheers > Mark > Hi Mark the dvd was Suspiria but it is not the best of dvd due to no extras,stereo sound and filmed very wide so thick letterboxing but still a classic whatever. Cheers Gary > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 7:54 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Love to help, but more info would be useful! Paul ---------- >De : hilary.wright@a... >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] >Date : Jeu 8 mars 2001 2:31 > > I am trying to locate the origin of this CD. Is it a recognised > bootleg? If so where from etc? > > Can you help? > > Hilary > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List > artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please > contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y addre > ss is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: > mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address > is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: David Hughes Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:16 pm Subject: TD In concert (DVD) Hello, Anyone have any TD vids on DvD? Boots considered. Thanks david -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk From: horrod6 Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:46 pm Subject: Ed & Jerry top 5 Here's my contribution. 1. Dream mixes 2 2. What a blast 3. Mars Polaris 4. 220 volts 5= Goblins Club 5= Turn of the tides I had real trouble deciding on number 5 - Zoning very nearly made it in there at 5= as well. Maybe my difficulties illustrate why the proportion of list members who are willing to contribute to this kind of poll is small. I listen to different stuff in different moods, depending on what life, the weather, relationships, health etc. are like. With some albums I quite like all the tracks, with others there may be one brilliant track I play all the time, ignoring all the others. I don't really have regular favourites, just things that I'm playing a lot at the moment. That means that it's difficult to pick a top 5 albums (or 10 tracks, or whatever), and when you do, you know it doesn't represent any permanent reality. Does this chime with any of you guys who haven't sent in your top 5 yet? or are you just too idle to type 5 album names into an e-mail (grin)? LnH Marion np: madrigal meridian Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26351 Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 Armin Theissen Fri 3/9/2001 3 KB 26361 Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB 26355 Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 Geir Smedsrud Fri 3/9/2001 3 KB From: horrod6 Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:49 pm Subject: OT: RE: Re: RE:fabbio frizzi Joe, do you mind, I've just had my dinner! Marion (..is that the one with a scene on a boat where the zombie grabs a chick's hair and pulls her face into a broken slat door, puncturing her eyeball?) From: horrod6 Date: Thu Mar 8, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 818 Oops, sorry Gary. And 'Mr' Lawler should recognise me at least - we'll have met at the swampfest, d.v. Marion From: Felna Greymane Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 1:35 am Subject: Mars Polaris Mis-Pressing for TRADE Just out of curiosity (as I have no chance whatsoever of getting this) is there any 'new' music on this. By new I mean both commercially and fantape wise. For those who have heard it, is it 'good' (subjective term). >Here is a rare opportunity to have a shot at getting the very rare Mars >Polaris mis-pressing which was actually meant to be a TDI Promo CD. It >has tracks from Mars Polaris and Great Wall of China (11 tracks total - >not 10 like the regular release). This release is documented on the TD >website. Jeff Stevenson greymane@k... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 12:51 am Subject: Re: was [Soundmill Navigator] now is guestbook comments Morgan, there's no doubt Steve Dinsdale was being sarcastic! Steve is a member of RMI [Radio Massacre International] . I imagine a few of us here know them very well and appreciate their music very much, which is in the vein of 70's TD music with their long ambient sequencing build ups. To me, RMI is among a few groups / individuals who have taken some of the best elements of 70's TD music and taken it where TD left off, filling a niche and meeting the demands of people still clamouring for older TD's style. And they've done it very well. Dare I say , in a few instances even better, imo. But hey, TD , Klaus Schulze and a few others led the way for all these young turks. I think many of you who prefer older TD's music should check them out. Chances are most of you would like them. Now playing Edgar Froese's 'Beyond The Storm' ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator > Miles, above are some posts over the last year from various members which > you might find a suitable response to your request. > > Kindest regards, > > Morgan. > > > --------------------------------------------------- > From: Airwave > Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > To: > Subject: [tadream] Denoised Soundmill Navigator. > Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:57:59 +0100 > > Hi gang. > > Pleased to announce that I'm now playing a denoised > copy of Soundmill Navigator. I was so appalled by the > low sound quality presented by TD and TDI here that I > just had to do something about it. > > After analyzing the fft fft fft sound I noticed that > it resides very high in the frequency range. Meaning > it is very easy to remove. > > The negative aspect is that the infernal fft fft fft noise > could easily have been removed before [Edgar played all new year 2000 sounds > on top of it] and with the added new synth textures, noone would ever have > noticed an ever so slight degrade of the original recording. > (Take note of that on behalf of TDI Martin Kay) > > I don't mean any disrespect toward TD and TDI by doing > this changing of the original TDI release. I'm just horrified > by the apparent lack of quality sense by TD / TDI. The > Soundmill should never have been released if TD / TDI had > felt the end result was below normal standard, and it > clearly is IMO. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: 'Morgan M.' > Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] end of Tangentization b*tching by this list member > Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:34:14 CDT > > [...] > And as to my complaints about Antique Dreams already, there was not adequate > warning for Soundmill Navigator to hardcore fans that it would be > essentially a new album with some backing tape of the original concert, > instead of what we all hoped for, which is an ARCHIVAL RELEASE. Especially > since TDI posted a message here on this list that it would be undoctored. So > I am not trying to start a humongous war, just warn people that once again, > history is being rewritten in the key of Edgar. > [...] > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Hi Gang, > > this is the most recent entry in the TD guestbook page... This guy > surely has a sense of humour! (or was it meant to be taken seriously?) > > From Steve Dinsdale at Thu, 25/May/00 14:15: > > Congratulations on the artistic triumph of `Soundmill Navigator'. I have > waited years to hear Edgar playing his lovely new digital keyboard while > a bootleg of a radio broadcast from 1976 plays in the background. Great > idea to play it in a different key too. It certainly knocks those dismal > 70's albums (with those other two blokes that used to hang around with > you) into second place! > > I'm sure that you must have dug deep into the > famous bank vault in London (of EVERY gig TD ever did) to find something > of such rare quality. It's very odd though, that deterioration of the > 8-Track tape caused a multichannel recording to turn into a well > circulated cassette of a concert that was broadcast live on German > radio. Still...that year's worth of painstaking mastering has obviously > paid off.The constant clicking really adds to the whole thing. Dream on > ! > > You guys are great, the Dream lasts forever !! > > Looking forward to Antique Dreams..please remember to play nice and > loudly over the quiet bits of `Overture' Edgar. > > Yours with deep respect, > > Steve > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > >From: 'Miles MacMillan' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator > >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:28:08 -0800 > > > >Hi folks, > > > >Brand new to the list here. > > > >I just had a question about the CD Soundmill Navigator. I was wondering > >why the sound quality is so poor for this CD. Specifically, I was > >wondering about the pulsating 'hiss-like' noise that appears about 3:20 > >into the disc and continues to the end of it. When I first purchased the > >CD I assumed my copy was defective and returned it for a new one. When I > >received the new copy, I noticed the same noise on it. I even downloaded > >the first 5 minutes of the song off someone from Napster and found the same > >noise to be present. Is this a problem with the mastering or does it have > >to do with the original recording of the instruments? Is there a version > >of the CD around that isn't flawed? I find it very hard to listen to. Any > >information regarding this would be helpful. > > > >I was also wondering about the proposed US summer tour. Is there any word > >that there might be any Canadian dates such as Toronto? I've never seen > >Tangerine Dream live and would love to check them out if they came anywhere > >close to here. > > Just to let you know, the concert tour in the US (if it happens, very > skeptical) will be a promotional tour for the Dream Mixes 3 album, which is > entirely dance music. Just thought you ought to know. I might go just to be > in the same room with Edgar Froese. > > -Morgan > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 8:27 am Subject: Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 Hi, I never liked such 'top 5' or so polls. Too hard to decide and thus they don't tell me much. I very much prefer to give a rating on *each* album. You can then run some meaningful statistics on the poll results. cheers armin erm... not intended to revive the AS (for you old members here) > > Maybe my difficulties illustrate why the proportion of list members who > are willing to contribute to this kind of poll is small. > I listen to different stuff in different moods, depending on what life, > the weather, relationships, health etc. are like. > With some albums I quite like all the tracks, with others there may be > one brilliant track I play all the time, ignoring all the others. > I don't really have regular favourites, just things that I'm playing a > lot at the moment. > That means that it's difficult to pick a top 5 albums (or 10 tracks, or > whatever), and when you do, you know it doesn't represent any permanent > reality. Does this chime with any of you guys who haven't sent in your > top 5 yet? or are you just too idle to type 5 album names into an e-mail > (grin)? > > LnH > > Marion > > np: madrigal meridian Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26361 Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB From: D.Nigbur@r... Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 2:28 pm Subject: Shepherd's Bush Concert Hello all, and it's good to be back again and see so many familiar faces... I just retrieved the information about TD's forthcoming visit to the Shepherd's Bush. The only slightly disconcerting aspect of this is that the gig is announced on the Dream Mixes web page as 'Dream Mixes on Stage', or something the like. Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of Dream Mixes material? As much as I enjoyed the first two Dream Mixes, I don't think I'd visit a concert for them... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26354 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Sean Montgomery Fri 3/9/2001 3 KB 26358 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Frank Arellano Fri 3/9/2001 4 KB 26359 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Sean Montgomery Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB 26360 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB 26366 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Matthew Stringer Sat 3/10/2001 3 KB From: djpinky420@h... Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 4:36 pm Subject: ORB ORB ORB ORB Hey everyone. I wanted to make sure that all of you knew about the Orb going on tour soon. I heard rumors that they might be opening for Moby for a while. That might have been confirmed by now -- I don't even know. Anyone hear anything? Cydonia is out now and it is fabulous. I can't wait to hear (and see--their visuals are amazing) what they do in their live show... 4/12 Boynton Beach, FL Orbit 4/13 Tampa, FL Masquerade 4/14 Atlanta, FL Masquerade 4/17 New York, NY Irving Plaza 4/18 Wash DC 930 Club 4/19 Boston, MA Avalon Ballroom 4/21 Detroit, MI St. Andrew Hall 4/22 Toronto, ONT The Guvernment 4/23 Chicago, IL The Metro 4/24 Lawrence, KS Granada 4/25 Denver, CO Ogden Theatre 4/27 SF, CA Maritime Hall 4/28 Indio, CA Coachella I'm all over that Irving Plaza show. Woo hoo!! peese. <666> From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 4:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert D.Nigbur@r... wrote: > Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars > Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of > Dream Mixes material? I would argue...in fact, I already have...that there is no longer any real difference between a 'Dream Mixes' album and a regular TD release. DM1 was vastly different from Tyranny of Beauty, but if the Meng Tien mp3 is any indication, DM3 will bear little difference from some of the more 'upbeat' tracks on What a Blast, Mars Polaris or Transsiberia. The main difference is that the DM label for the show will give them licence to perform Jerome's version of Tangentizing on their older material. We'll have the DM Tangram, the DM White Eagle, and the DM Monolight. I'm not saying that this is bound to be a good or bad thing...that's just what I foresee. DM has obviously sold well for them, so that's the angle that they're pushing. At the same time though, the fact that they're bringing at least one guest guitarist along suggests that they'll do at least a couple of 'conventional' versions of older stuff. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 6:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ed & Jerry top 5 It wasn't a chime, it was a big GONG! And besides, I don't have that many albums from this period anyway. And then I haven't played those I have for a long time. That is, with one exception; 220 Volt. I have just got this one and have played it a few times, but it doesn't give me a 'high' like some of the older stuff do. Geir np: I think I'll put on Richochet, on repeat! At 20:46 08.03.01 +0000, Marion wrote: > >Maybe my difficulties illustrate why the proportion of list members who >are willing to contribute to this kind of poll is small. >I listen to different stuff in different moods, depending on what life, >the weather, relationships, health etc. are like. >With some albums I quite like all the tracks, with others there may be >one brilliant track I play all the time, ignoring all the others. >I don't really have regular favourites, just things that I'm playing a >lot at the moment. >That means that it's difficult to pick a top 5 albums (or 10 tracks, or >whatever), and when you do, you know it doesn't represent any permanent >reality. Does this chime with any of you guys who haven't sent in your >top 5 yet? or are you just too idle to type 5 album names into an e-mail >(grin)? > >LnH > >Marion Best Regards Geir From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 8:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 818 >From: 'lawlermusic' >Subject: Re: Re: People going to Shepherd's Bush > >I`m going as well but I dont see my name on any list . >Have I been banned for being a cheeky TD rip off merchant :) > >Paul >ps . How will i know who everybody is in the pub ? Paul, If you still have your shaven head I'll find you. You may vaguely recollect me as one of the beyond_em'ers who approached you at Jodrell Bank last year - we all had our picture taken along with your brother. I'm sure we'll be the only group of 35 in the place! 8-) Craig From: 'Craig Cordrey' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 8:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 818 >From: 'Paul Fellows' >Subject: Re : Re.People going to Shepherds Bush > >Middle aged people wearing an impressive array of TD/Ramones/Motorhead >(possibly) t-shirts, ex fan-club badges and if Conrad has anything to do >with it, name badges (God forbid!) :-) Heh (if I may use a Dano), if I wear my home-made (by my mother) t-shirt, I can have all three - it has my name, a unique tangerine dream logo and the address of the old tadream mailing list (cs.uwp.edu RIP). Maybe not. Craig From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 7:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert Any word on who the guest guitarist is? BTW, Mr. Montgomery, I haven't seen your Eddy and Jerry favorites, need help finding some? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Sean Montgomery' To: Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert > > > D.Nigbur@r... wrote: > > > Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars > > Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of > > Dream Mixes material? > > I would argue...in fact, I already have...that there is no longer any real difference between a 'Dream Mixes' album and a regular TD release. DM1 was vastly different from Tyranny of Beauty, but if the Meng > Tien mp3 is any indication, DM3 will bear little difference from some of the more 'upbeat' tracks on What a Blast, Mars Polaris or Transsiberia. The main difference is that the DM label for the show will > give them licence to perform Jerome's version of Tangentizing on their older material. We'll have the DM Tangram, the DM White Eagle, and the DM Monolight. I'm not saying that this is bound to be a good or > bad thing...that's just what I foresee. DM has obviously sold well for them, so that's the angle that they're pushing. > > At the same time though, the fact that they're bringing at least one guest guitarist along suggests that they'll do at least a couple of 'conventional' versions of older stuff. > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 8:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert Frank Arellano wrote: > BTW, Mr. Montgomery, I haven't seen your Eddy and Jerry favorites I was one of the first to reply...go check the archives on Yahoogroups (March 1st) -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26360 Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert Roger Hartopp Fri 3/9/2001 2 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 9:12 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Concert --- In tadream@y..., Sean Montgomery wrote: > > > Frank Arellano wrote: > > > BTW, Mr. Montgomery, I haven't seen your Eddy and Jerry favorites > > I was one of the first to reply...go check the archives on Yahoogroups (March > 1st) > > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean I can confirm that! Roger From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 9:21 pm Subject: Re: Ed & Jerry top 5 --- In tadream@y..., 'Armin Theissen' wrote: > > Hi, > > I never liked such 'top 5' or so polls. Too hard to decide and > thus they don't tell me much. I very much prefer to give a rating > on *each* album. You can then run some meaningful statistics on > the poll results. > > cheers > > armin Come on, Armin... It's not to be taken THAT seriously. Anyway, we're only after the top five. Play ball with us... please? From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 9, 2001 9:26 pm Subject: Re: Eddy & Jerry --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > You know Roger, you could run this as a poll on yahoogroups if you want to > at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/polls > it will track, graph and permanently store the results. Perhaps a bit > easier than tracking results yourself. Yeah, I know. But if many of the folks have computers like mine it can be a real hassle trying to open up yahoo groups because it takes so long to open up. Anyway, I think this is more fun because it has encouraged a few folk to post... albeit most of them are the same folk who regularly contribute anyway. By the way, Marion, if you're reading this, I've split the one point between TOTT & Goblins Club, awarding each 0.5 points each. Could make all the difference in the end... Roger From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 2:03 am Subject: DM 3 AT LAST!... An interesting album cover :) The latest TD music I've heard so far is Goblins' Club, which I still don't like, except for Rising Haul in Silence and Towards the Evening Star. I don't even remeber what RHIS exactly sounds like but I remember that I liked it a lot. And I think Evening Star is very good (but not great). I intended to buy Antique Dreams, but it's too expensive for me, around 20 US dollars. I'd rather spend such money in Tolkien books. So I played this Meng Tian remix, after listening to the whole Cyclone and also after playing Klingklang, from Kraftwerk's Kraftwerk 2 album. I think it's not bad; but it's not good either. It's an aluminium track: it's recycled and can be recycled again. It just sounds like anything else, and it's not interesting. I'd rather play Risin Runnar Missed by Endless Sendar: the music is good, the singing is very funny. It's Midnight in Tula, Dominion and Cinnamon Road greatgrandmother. After this track maybe Goblins' Club sounds better... Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... From: 'Greg' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 4:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DM 3 From: 'Gustavo Jobim' > > So I played this Meng Tian remix, after listening to the whole Cyclone and also after playing Klingklang, from Kraftwerk's Kraftwerk 2 album. I think it's not bad; but it's not good either. It's an aluminium track: it's recycled and can be recycled again. It just sounds like anything else, and it's not interesting. I'd rather play Risin Runnar Missed by Endless Sendar: the music is good, the singing is very funny. It's Midnight in Tula, Dominion and Cinnamon Road greatgrandmother. > > After this track maybe Goblins' Club sounds better... > > Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... I really agree with you there about Meng Tian in that it sounds 'recycled.' But I think that TD now is making music for a yuppie type of culture that likes to fit into current trendy fads. Now in your flat in London or your condo in San Francisco you can listen to the latest in techno and rave clubs, while still maintaining a sense of avant garde - choose TD - whom dreads through the clubs Berlin, Bonn... and takes the truly worthwhile away. Well guys I REALLY go to clubs because I enjoy to dance and I would not ever find such music being played in the places - in fact I'd more than likely hear the remix of ALL YOUR BASE BELONGS TO US than hear anything by TD. But I think TD missed the boat by not going towards more of a rave sound because I think a lot of that has a basis in mid to late 70's sequencing and transitioning. I know the dance culture is more infused in Europe (I get a lot of music from Europe for a DJ who's actually from England and living here like me in this small spring break crazy town of Lake Havasu City, Arizona). TD isn't alone in trying to revive itself - Kraftwerk with their Expo 2000 tracks also 'tries' to follow this trand, but in my opinion, fails rather badly. I like Cyclone more than Stratosfear, so I like to hear people that enjoy that album like I do! Greg H. From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 10:06 am Subject: Sheperds Bush concert >Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars >Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of >Dream Mixes material? Dennis, devious bastards that TD / TDI have become, you can be absolutely sure that they will only play pre-1985 material. Why else would they advertise it as 'dream mixes on stage' ? ;-) ;-) ;-) cheers, klaus (who might be coming over as well, loads of BA airmiles to burn) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26372 Re: Sheperds Bush concert Frank Arellano Sat 3/10/2001 3 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 12:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert Urgh, if this is confirmed that it's a mixes concert I have 3 tickets to give away. Matt -----Original Message----- From: D.Nigbur@r... [mailto:D.Nigbur@r...] Sent: 09 March 2001 14:28 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Concert Hello all, and it's good to be back again and see so many familiar faces... I just retrieved the information about TD's forthcoming visit to the Shepherd's Bush. The only slightly disconcerting aspect of this is that the gig is announced on the Dream Mixes web page as 'Dream Mixes on Stage', or something the like. Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of Dream Mixes material? As much as I enjoyed the first two Dream Mixes, I don't think I'd visit a concert for them... ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH m y address is: As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my% 20address is: PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com Website: http://www.tadream.net ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 1:22 pm Subject: Play ball with us... please? What there was no prize for the winner? Well damn From: Victor Rek Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 7:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris Mis-Pressing for TRADE Hello, The details of this release are posted on the TD website under 'What's On'. In summary, there is no new music on it - it's off of Mars Polaris and Great Wall of China. Felna Greymane wrote: > Just out of curiosity (as I have no chance whatsoever of getting this) is > there any 'new' music on this. By new I mean both commercially and fantape > wise. For those who have heard it, is it 'good' (subjective term). > > >Here is a rare opportunity to have a shot at getting the very rare Mars > >Polaris mis-pressing which was actually meant to be a TDI Promo CD. It > >has tracks from Mars Polaris and Great Wall of China (11 tracks total - > >not 10 like the regular release). This release is documented on the TD > >website. > > Jeff Stevenson > greymane@k... > > Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 > (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Victor Rek Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 7:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Aqua II ???????? This is the same release as Froese's Aqua LP, except it is a French release of 1000 copies in a different 'box-type' packaging. Can anyone provide more input? I know a few people on this list must own it. Vic Pergamon wrote: > > Some items I can consider are Japanese Firestarter CD + M. > > Hoenig Japanese CD, Aqua II LP,..... > > What the .... Can anyone please fill me in on this one. Have never > heard of an 'Aqua II', is this a boot, or????? what tracks are on this > album?????? > > Regards > Jan > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Dreamwatcher's Tales, the compilation of music by various Tadream List artists, is in distribution, but it is almost too late to join! Please contact Tom Richmond to be included in the distribution tree: > As BRANCH (can burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as BRANCH my \ address is: > > As LEAF (cannot burn copies), click here: mailto:TRichmond@b...?subject=please include me as LEAF my ad\ dress is: > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26375 Off-topic (synth, Virus a) Pergamon Sun 3/11/2001 2 KB From: mortalloom@y... Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 8:00 pm Subject: Mortal Loom - 'Alchemy Through Dreams' - Delvian Records Mortal Loom covers so many genres that it is hard to define them, which is generally something musicians enjoy. Alchemy Through Dreams combines elements of trippy electronica, world music, jazz, ambient and dance. Alchemy Through Dreams starts off extremely ambient and dreamy with 'Silence' and 'Event Horizon.' This sort of music lends itself to a very mystical atmosphere with lots of chimes, soft guitars and wave sounds. It definitely brought to mind soundtracks to films like Legend and The Last Unicorn. The CD then changes pace with 'Agnosia' and 'Trip Hop Thing,' adding a bit more beat and jazz feel. 'Trip Hop Thing' would definitely please fans of Jamiroquai and similar light, upbeat electronica music. This shift in vibes is a constant throughout Alchemy. The sound moves to almost a tribal beat with 'Masses,' and then to an ambient techno beat in 'Into The Night' and 'Shadow Puppets.' The most surreal part of the CD is actually the closing: a cover of 'Dream A Little Dream Of Me,' the only song that includes lead vocals. It's hard to compare Mortal Loom to other bands, but fans of Enigma, Enya, Tangerine Dream, Delirium and other crossover electronica acts should enjoy them. Internet: www.gatemusic.com/mortalloom e-mail: mortal@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26373 Re: The spamming of [tadream] by Mortal Loom... j.gordon Sat 3/10/2001 4 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 8:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DM 3 Greg wrote: > But I think that TD now is making music for a yuppie type of culture that > likes to fit into current trendy fads. Hey hey...time for another rant. Those tired of my harping should turn back now. I love a good conspiracy theory, but I don't buy this hypothesis. That argument could have been made 10 years ago, about albums like Melrose and Turn of the Tides, but not now. The techno/rave scene has always been for the young - people in their teens and early 20s, not trend-conscious professionals who work for a living. Moby broke into the mainstream by *dropping* his rave roots and writing pop songs. Furthermore, few 'urban professionals' I know go to dance clubs or have any interest in the music played therein. It's too loud and obnoxious...the yuppie bistros and bookstores are more likely to be playing Brazillian music like Bebel Gilberto. Nor is techno even trendy with young people right now. It had its moment in the sun 4 years ago, but now it's all boy bands or rap-metal hybrids. TDs weak attempts at 'dance music' also fail as club anthems...there's not enough bass to shake your ass to, the beats per minute aren't high enough, and they don't know squat about building the music to a climax, or even sustaining a good groove. On top of that, they're never going to be 'trendy' in any social circle unless people *hear* them. To use Moby as an example again, his album 'Play' only took off after every single song on it was licenced for use in TV commercials, TV series and movie soundtracks. People heard it and liked it. Who gets to hear TD today, and where? And if they did, would they like what they heard? (I doubt it!) Hell, mp3 samples aside, *fans* don't even get to hear new TD albums before buying them. We just send off our money because the words 'Tangerine Dream' appear on the cover. Personally, I think the 'DM' phenomenon is just Jerome playing around. He has some good taste in music, based on the Electrobeats tracklists that I've seen. He likes his dance music, just as Edgar liked Jimmy Hendrix and Pink Floyd when he started out. But Jerome has been far less successful at copying and building on those influences than his father was. Not to say that the DM albums are *bad* (I like the first one a great deal)...they just fail to stand out at a time when there is far more interesting and sophisticated electronic music being made. Claims that the DM albums put TD back on the cutting edge are laughable. When 'techno' was truly cutting edge, TD's music was dominated by Linda Spa's 'Kenny G' sax (and yet they were vehemently denying being a New Age band). Of course, if they *had* tried to jump on the rave bandwagon in 1991, touring with The Orb, Primal Scream and the KLF, they would very likely have been a laughing stock. Partly because, as I mentioned, the scene has always been for the young....and partly because I doubt the results would have sounded very convincing (the 'Zeo' mixes of Lily on the Beach serve as my Exhibit A). So they stuck in their New Age niche for a while, because there was a market for their unthreatening harpsichord sounds and sampled choirs. But the genre died, and Jerome brought in this new tactic. Yet, Edgar's mindset seems to be firmly fixated on Mozart and the 1960s...and I think it's the attempts for the two of them to find musical common ground that have made their albums so wishy-washy and uneven. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 8:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sheperds Bush concert < devious bastards that TD /TDI have become > Sad, but true. Well, enough truth in it that I had to laugh... :-) TD and TDI may be laughing too, all the way to the bank :-D I still love em' :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Klaus Beschorner' To: Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 3:06 AM Subject: [tadream] Sheperds Bush concert > >Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., Mars > >Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of > >Dream Mixes material? > > Dennis, > devious bastards that TD / TDI have become, you can be > absolutely sure that they will only play pre-1985 material. > Why else would they advertise it as 'dream mixes on stage' ? > > ;-) ;-) ;-) > > cheers, > klaus (who might be coming over as well, loads of BA airmiles to burn) > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 9:35 pm Subject: Re: The spamming of [tadream] by Mortal Loom... what's this? spam? here... no, no, no, you must be mistaken, this is a proper list... no spam here... please... j.g man, i never realized how absoulutely tired i am of people pushing there stuff, regardless of how good it is... --- mortalloom@y... wrote: > > Mortal Loom covers so many genres that it is hard to define them, > which is generally something musicians enjoy. Alchemy Through Dreams > combines elements of trippy electronica, world music, jazz, ambient > and dance. > > Alchemy Through Dreams starts off extremely ambient and dreamy > with 'Silence' and 'Event Horizon.' This sort of music lends itself > to a very mystical atmosphere with lots of chimes, soft guitars and > wave sounds. It definitely brought to mind soundtracks to films like > Legend and The Last Unicorn. > > The CD then changes pace with 'Agnosia' and 'Trip Hop Thing,' adding > a bit more beat and jazz feel. 'Trip Hop Thing' would definitely > please fans of Jamiroquai and similar light, upbeat electronica music. > > This shift in vibes is a constant throughout Alchemy. The sound moves > to almost a tribal beat with 'Masses,' and then to an ambient techno > beat in 'Into The Night' and 'Shadow Puppets.' The most surreal part > of the CD is actually the closing: a cover of 'Dream A Little Dream > Of Me,' the only song that includes lead vocals. > > It's hard to compare Mortal Loom to other bands, but fans of Enigma, > Enya, Tangerine Dream, Delirium and other crossover electronica acts > should enjoy them. > > > Internet: www.gatemusic.com/mortalloom > > e-mail: mortal@g... > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: Victor Rek Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 3:42 am Subject: SwampPack 21 Offer to Celebrate Okefenokee 2001 TD Fan Event Dear TD fans, Like last year for Okefenokee 2000, I sold a SwampPack 11 to help pay for some of the costs incurred in organizing the event. Last year the SwampPack had 11 items, this year it has 21 items! SwampPak 21 contains: 7' singles 1. Warsaw in the Sun/Polish Dance w/PS - Germany blue label 2. Das Madchen auf der Treppe/Katja w/PS - Germany 3. Peter Baumann - Realtimes/Repeat Repeat w/PS (vg) - Germany 4. Michael Hoenig - Departure from the Northern Wasteland Excerpt I/Excerpt II - US Promo w/PS (rare) Posters & Miscellaneous: 5. Chris Franke London Concert release poster (large/folded) 6. Mars Polaris studio release poster autographed by Edgar & Jerome (medium/folded) 7. KlangArt poster for Mars Polaris Concert 6/26/99 (large/rolled) 8. Rockoon tour B&W poster (medium/rolled) 9. 220 Volt Live Video release poster (medium-small/rolled) 10. Great Wall of China - Extra large t-shirt (new) Soundtrack CDs: 11. Thief - Japanese (scarce, no OBI) 12. The Park is Mine - US (saw mark on spine) 13. Miracle Mile - US (diff. print on CD) 14. Jim & Pablo (Der Meteor) - Germany 15. Great Wall of China - Germany 16. Sony Center - Topping Out Ceremony Score (very scarce now) Promo CD singles: 17. Tyranny of Beauty - UD 5-track promo 18. Tangents 1973-1983 10-track promo sampler - US white disc Rare Solo CDs: 19. Michael Hoenig - Xcept One - US Cinema (booklet vg+) 20. Steve Schroyder (Star Sounds Orchestra) - Kosmophonon - Germany CMS (digipak vg+) 21. Special Mystery Bonus ????? Also, the winner will receive a promo CD-R of the Oke-2001 event and possibly some other goodies from the even - depending on what's available. This is a nice package for anyone starting to collect TD or for fans that need some rare items and trade items.. I hope you can support this Oke event and get in the drawing for the SwampPack 21! To WIN/BUY this SwampPack, you must send me an e-mail within 21 days saying that you wish to purchase the SwampPack for $ 321.00. This includes all items above plus any possible bonus items and postage to anywhere to the world. The deadline is March 31, 2001 which is 21 days from now (3/11-3/31). If I receive more than one order, then I will hold a drawing on Sunday April 1, 2001 to announce the winner. The Oke-2001 event goes from April 20-24, 2001 at the Okefenokee Swamp in Georgia, USA. About 20+ people are attending so far... Thanks for participating! From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 3:47 am Subject: Off-topic (synth, Virus a) Hello all Just wanted to let you know, if anyone of all you musicians out there should have an old Virus a, there is an update for this machine on it's way. That company never sieze to amaze me, I mean this update is for a discontinued product. Just a little info, sorry about that!!! Jan From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 3:08 pm Subject: top 5 Eddy & Jerry This is getting like Eurovision......... Can't remember what the titles were as I don't keep posts for very long. 1 Valentine Wheels 2 Tournado 3 220 Volt 4 Mars Polaris 5 Oasis and I like Zoning so that gets 6th Place. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Mar 10, 2001 3:20 pm Subject: Shepherd Bush I'm going to enjoy the show for what it is. They've done so much over the years I don't remember what tracks are on what CD's / vinyl. I'm happy to herar it anyway. As you can see from my top 5, I prefer the live to the studio. I expect the format will be similar to 96 / 97....an old section, a modern section and an encore to plug the latest CD single on sale at the concert. David PS Does anybody know the words to Sgt.Pepper? TD have done a kind of tribute to the Beatles. I think we could wrire a tribute the other way. 'It was 30 years ago today that Eddy and friends began to play.......... Electronic's been going in and out of style.....but guaranteed to stay a while......' Anyone want to take this further? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 9:32 am Subject: Re.Moon on the green Hi all you out there planning to meet at the Moon on the Green you may have noticed from joe's site that after I tried to get hold of this pub it was not listed in directory enquiries have since found out it has changed it's name to Harveys. I have spoken to them re May 12th unfortunately the boss is on hols til 26/03/01,the only concern from the person I spoke to was QPR football fans (didnt' think they had that many)but I think this is FA cup final day so they should not be playing anyway. I will ring them again giving them some idea how many will be invading them after the 26th. Cheers Gary. From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 9:41 am Subject: devious bastards that TD / TDI have become, you can be 'devious bastards that TD / TDI have become, you can be. . .' Now - this is funny and I fear in some ways very, very true. But, I to love them anyway. From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 3:39 pm Subject: Vulcano album? The All Music Guide site (http://www.allmusic.com) lists a TD album named Vulcano (do a search by Album and you'll find it at once). Reading its track listing, this is obviously disc #5 of Tangents, but my question is: was this disc ever released off the Tangents box set and sold as 'Vulcano'? Antonio Nunes np: Tangents disc 5 From: 'Greg' Date: Mon Mar 12, 2001 2:13 pm Subject: Top 5 Eddy & Jerry 1) Oasis 2( Tyranny of Beauty 3) Mars Polaris 4( Great Wall of China 5) Timesquare: Dream Mixes II NP: DJ Balloon - Monstersound Live Mix Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26415 Re: Top 5 Eddy & Jerry Nigbur D Thu 3/15/2001 1 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 12, 2001 3:04 pm Subject: RE: The spamming of [tadream] by Mortal Loom... yeah, that was spam. we got some other spam a week or so ago about Orb, too. I reset the list to new subber moderation. new subbers stay there until we upgrade them. posts from new subbers don't go thru until approved or the user is upgraded. > -----Original Message----- > From: j.gordon [mailto:ssaalyersjj@y...] > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:35 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: The spamming of [tadream] by Mortal Loom... > > > what's this? spam? here... > > no, no, no, you must be mistaken, this is a proper list... no > spam here... > > please... > > j.g > > man, i never realized how absoulutely tired i am of people > pushing there stuff, > regardless of how good it is... > > > > --- mortalloom@y... wrote: > > > > Mortal Loom covers so many genres that it is hard to define them, > > which is generally something musicians enjoy. Alchemy > Through Dreams > > combines elements of trippy electronica, world music, jazz, ambient > > and dance. > > > > Alchemy Through Dreams starts off extremely ambient and dreamy > > with 'Silence' and 'Event Horizon.' This sort of music lends itself > > to a very mystical atmosphere with lots of chimes, soft guitars and > > wave sounds. It definitely brought to mind soundtracks to > films like > > Legend and The Last Unicorn. > > > > The CD then changes pace with 'Agnosia' and 'Trip Hop > Thing,' adding > > a bit more beat and jazz feel. 'Trip Hop Thing' would definitely > > please fans of Jamiroquai and similar light, upbeat > electronica music. > > > > This shift in vibes is a constant throughout Alchemy. The > sound moves > > to almost a tribal beat with 'Masses,' and then to an > ambient techno > > beat in 'Into The Night' and 'Shadow Puppets.' The most > surreal part > > of the CD is actually the closing: a cover of 'Dream A Little Dream > > Of Me,' the only song that includes lead vocals. > > > > It's hard to compare Mortal Loom to other bands, but fans > of Enigma, > > Enya, Tangerine Dream, Delirium and other crossover > electronica acts > > should enjoy them. > > > > > > Internet: www.gatemusic.com/mortalloom > > > > e-mail: mortal@g... > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire > in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 1:01 pm Subject: Enjoy it while it lasts Dennis sez: >Hello all, and it's good to be back again and see so many familiar >faces... > >I just retrieved the information about TD's forthcoming visit to the >Shepherd's Bush. The only slightly disconcerting aspect of this is >that the gig is announced on the Dream Mixes web page as 'Dream >Mixes >on Stage', or something the like. > >Does anyone know whether this is a concert of 'regular' TD (i.e., >Mars >Polaris, Transsiberia, Wall, Letters, and older material), or one of >Dream Mixes material? > >As much as I enjoyed the first two Dream Mixes, I don't think I'd >visit a concert for them... One thing I've become quite conscious of recently is how old Edgar and that whole generation of rock musicians is getting. They're in sight of retirement age from normal jobs, and most of them are clearly within sight of the end of their careers. There will probably only ever be one more Pink Floyd album and tour, Tina Turner has turned 60, Genesis has shut up shop, Mick Jagger worries that he might not be able to manage another tour with the Rolling Stones, etc. etc. I reckon that we no longer have the luxury of waiting for the next time if we don't care for what's on offer this time - we're past the point where the next time is guaranteed. (Strange how there's a lot of 'denial' about this, particularly in the music press. I read a piece only a couple of years ago which referred to Pink Floyd as 'moving into middle age'. They've been middle-aged for the last 20 years - out-and-out *old* age is next on their agenda.) I long ago ceased to have anything like a keen interest in TD. I've bought only a small percentage of their releases over the last 5 years or so. Even so, I'll be there in May to pay respect to the last remaining TD hero because it could well be the last time that TD with Edgar visits the UK. Similary, I expect little from the Dante concert in Berlin (pop composers trying to do classical music is usually buttock-clenchingly embarrassing) but I'll probably go because, well, it'll be an experience, if nothing else. So...if you have the opportunity, enjoy it while it lasts is my advice. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26413 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Nigbur D Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26424 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26425 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Joel S. Mullen Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26428 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Feldon Feldon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26431 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26434 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Gary Jenkins Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26435 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26436 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts lawlermusic Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26444 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Frank Arellano Thu 3/15/2001 4 KB From: Victor Rek Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:00 pm Subject: Festival Alter Musik Two Questions: 1. Have all the dates (or at least approximate time frame) been posted for the the TD Trilogy concerts? Berlin (Berlin) - Atlanta - Sydney I'm already making plans for the Oct. 7th Berlin show. 2. I read on a website that the 'Oasis' soundtrack was released in UK on the Blueprint label? Is this true? I have never heard of such a release? Thanks for any comments. Vic [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26385 Re: Festival Alter Musik Heiko Heerssen Tue 3/13/2001 3 KB 26386 Re: Festival Alter Musik glynn_naughton@h... Tue 3/13/2001 2 KB 26387 Re: Festival Alter Musik Victor Rek Tue 3/13/2001 3 KB 26388 Re: Festival Alter Musik TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Tue 3/13/2001 2 KB 26394 Re.: Festival Alter Musik Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26395 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26397 Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26399 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26405 Re: Festival Alter Musik Armin Theissen Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Festival Alter Musik Victor Rek schrieb: > Two Questions: > > 1. Have all the dates (or at least approximate time frame) been posted > for the the TD Trilogy concerts? > Berlin (Berlin) - Atlanta - Sydney I know that Edgar announced some dates in the latest 'Elektro Beats' show on Radio Eins Brandenburg which took place last December, but at the moment I can't remember the exact time frame (but I guess it was something like Atlanta in 2003 and Sydney in 2005/06 or something) > I'm already making plans for the Oct. 7th Berlin show. For anyone who already ordered a ticket for this show, about an hour ago I phoned the Bernau Promotion Agency and a young lady told me that they will start selling tickets in about 1-2 weeks, right now it's too early for distribution. Those who already ordered their ticket will either get a phone call or an e-mail. Most of the tickets are for unreserved seats, but since I ordered a ticket 2 1/2 weeks ago I hope to get a ticket for a reserved seat (which is much more expensive, ca. US$40 instead of US$20). One thing that puzzles me is why there is no mention on the TDI sites about this concert anymore. It seems that only very few tickets are still for sale! Heiko From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:18 pm Subject: Re: Festival Alter Musik --- In tadream@y..., Victor Rek wrote: > Two Questions: > > 1. Have all the dates (or at least approximate time frame) been posted > for the the TD Trilogy concerts? > Berlin (Berlin) - Atlanta - Sydney > > I'm already making plans for the Oct. 7th Berlin show. > > 2. I read on a website that the 'Oasis' soundtrack was released in UK > on the Blueprint label? Is this true? I have never heard of such a > release? > > Thanks for any comments. Vic > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Vik, when you say making plans I hope you mean travel plans based around tickets that you've already got, because a post to tangerinedream today sez that the concert is sold out. Bummer. Glynn From: Victor Rek Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Festival Alter Musik I'm trying to get tickets right now. It looks like they may still be available based upon the latest post. Anyway, if anybody has an extra, count me in! glynn_naughton@h... wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., Victor Rek wrote: > > Two Questions: > > > > 1. Have all the dates (or at least approximate time frame) been > posted > > for the the TD Trilogy concerts? > > Berlin (Berlin) - Atlanta - Sydney > > > > I'm already making plans for the Oct. 7th Berlin show. > > > > 2. I read on a website that the 'Oasis' soundtrack was released in > UK > > on the Blueprint label? Is this true? I have never heard of such a > > release? > > > > Thanks for any comments. Vic > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Vik, when you say making plans I hope you mean travel plans based > around tickets that you've already got, because a post to > tangerinedream today sez that the concert is sold out. Bummer. > > Glynn > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26388 Re: Festival Alter Musik TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Tue 3/13/2001 2 KB 26394 Re.: Festival Alter Musik Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26395 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26397 Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26399 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26405 Re: Festival Alter Musik Armin Theissen Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Date: Mon Mar 12, 2001 3:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Festival Alter Musik Hi all, for reserving tickets for Bernau, October 7th, visit: www.altemusik.de The site is in German, unfortunately. Click on 'Reservierung' and fill out the form. Select the number of tickets you wish to obtain for the TD- show (last in the row) and click on 'send' (abschicken). You will then be notified. It might help to note that you are not a German speaker in the 'comments'- section. The organizers are a friendly lot and I´m sure they´ll help you out. There are still tickets available, but they are selling fast. Hope this helps ... and sheds some light. Best regards, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26394 Re.: Festival Alter Musik Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26395 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26397 Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26399 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB 26405 Re: Festival Alter Musik Armin Theissen Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 5:48 pm Subject: Klemania / Antique Dreams Hi all, what is the general view on Christopher Franke's solo album Klemania? I've just got it, put it on and it's excellent but not as expected. Very influenced by the KLF strangely. I keep expecting someone to chant 'What time is love'? I like the reinvention of the sound into the modern era but can imagine many wouldn't. Incidentally I got Antique Dreams, isn't it fantastic? Really storming selections that didn't deserve obscurity for these years. Particularly proud to see a Nottingham track there as it's my home town. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26390 Re: Klemania / Antique Dreams Joe Shoults Tue 3/13/2001 2 KB 26391 Re: Klemania / Antique Dreams Feldon Feldon Tue 3/13/2001 3 KB 26392 Re: Klemania / Antique Dreams Michal Moroz Tue 3/13/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 6:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Klemania / Antique Dreams for reference, you may listen to this album on our 'AudioFiles' page at http://www.tadream.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Coyle [mailto:markcoyleuk@y...] > Hi all, > what is the general view on Christopher Franke's solo album Klemania? > > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klemania / Antique Dreams >From: 'Mark Coyle' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Klemania / Antique Dreams >Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:48:48 -0000 > >Incidentally I got Antique Dreams, isn't it fantastic? Really storming >selections >that didn't deserve obscurity for these years. Particularly proud to see a >Nottingham track there as it's my home town. -------------------------------- From: 'Hermes Guzman' Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com To: tadream@egroups.com Subject: [tadream] Antique Dreams review Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:06:57 -0000 'Phaedra of Nottingham'- Not at all from Nottingham '90, but from an unknown '88 show instead. And not even necessary, as we already have [the] new version on _Tangents_. This one is as performed in the '88 set, with Edgar once again forgetting to edit out the next track [track 2 of Livemiles]. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Tue Mar 13, 2001 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klemania / Antique Dreams >Hi all, > >what is the general view on Christopher Franke's solo album Klemania? > Klemania is for me one of my three best electronic music cd's ever heard. Wonderful music. Michal Moroz aka Stacja Mir (in english Mir Station) :) From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 7:40 am Subject: KLEM 1989 CD sampler on eBAY Hello, for anyone who's interested, I put a copy of the rare KLEM 'Electronische Muziek' CD sampler (No. 243/1000) on eBAY, this includes rare tracks like 'Lost tale' by TD, 'Vermilion sands' by C. Franke, 'Unikat' by Klaus Schulze, plus tracks by Ron Boots, Peru, Patrick Kosmos, Bernd Kistenmacher, Gandalf, and Walter Christian Rothe The URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1416754791 Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26403 Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 10:48 am Subject: Re.: Festival Alter Musik On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak wrote: > Hi all, > for reserving tickets for Bernau, October 7th, visit: > www.altemusik.de > The site is in German, unfortunately. Click on 'Reservierung' and fill out > the form. Select the number of tickets you wish to obtain for the TD- show > (last in the row) and click on 'send' (abschicken). You will then be > notified. It might help to note that you are not a German speaker in the > 'comments'- section. The organizers are a friendly lot and I´m sure they´ll > help you out. Hi! Thank for the message, Martin. Unfortunately you'll get an error-message when you try so send the formular. I called them by phone and told them about the error. I did my reservation by telephone. It's true: HURRY! The good places in the middle are sold out :-(. I got one ticket for the balkony only. Who's going to this event? Bernau is approx. 50 km on the outside of Berlin. I'll try to get a hotel in Bernau ASAP. There is a 'Fremdenverkehrsamt' (Foreign Information Center) in Bernau. Telephone is: (Germany) (0) 3338 761919. If I have some more infos (name of a hotel, telephone number) I'll send a message to the list. See you in a) London b) Osnabrueck (Schulze) and c) Bernau! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26395 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26397 Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26399 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 1:22 pm Subject: Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Rainer Rutka wrote: > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > > Hi all, > > for reserving tickets for Bernau, October 7th, visit: > > www.altemusik.de OK! Here is a nice and cheap hotel just 5 minutes away from the place where the concert is: Forum Hotel Bernau telephone: Germany (+49) (0)3338 / 600 200 ask for Frau Grecksch DM 79,- for a single-room including breakfast (only!!!!) They do have some rooms available. Order your room now, before it's too late. I told Frau Grecksch about the event (she didn't knew something about it!) and 'warned' her that it's possible she will get some more reservations. Hope that helps! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26397 Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Rainer Rutka Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB 26399 Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU j.gordon Wed 3/14/2001 3 KB From: 'Bennett' Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 1:34 pm Subject: Timesquare I have not listened to Timesquare for awhile. I thought it was OK, but not a favorite. But this time, the title track Timesquare really caught on for me. Timesquare is an incredible track! I don't know how to describe it as well as some on this list, but I really enjoy the way it slowly develops. I like the deep 'grinding' noises that develop into great low bass rhythms and the catchy tune that keeps coming around. I hope they play this one live in the upcoming tour. BTW, Any inside info on progress of US tour plans? I'm making summer plans and wish I knew their schedule. --Bennett Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26400 Re: Timesquare PENFOLD Wed 3/14/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 1:45 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze in Osnabruck / Infos Hi! Infos for the Klaus Schulze event in Osnabrueck (9th of June): Card: DM 47,30 / each They accept only (euro-)cheques. Send 2 letters: 1 with the cheque and 1 for the return-mail (including your address) to: Stadhalle Osnabrueck, Schlosswall 1-9, D-49074 Osnabrueck. Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Online reservation for TD concert October 7th, Bernau just adding my own experience... just talked to the Alter Musik people and reserved my place to get a ticket near the end of may, i believe she said... she said they would contact me by phone or email then and talk about tickets... hmmmm... when i asked if there were still tickets, she said: 'For you, there will surely be a ticket...' i don't think that means my sexy (and very heavy) American accent wooed over this Berliner... i think it means things is gettin' a bit tight... would recommend gettin' while the gettin' is good... =) good luck all... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 2:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Festival Alter Musik / HOTEL IN BERNAU hey, rainer (et al.)... just thought i'd let you know, frau g. had already gone home, and i spoke to a very nice young lady and resevred a room... however, based on experience, instead of asking what the price was, i just confirmed what info you had given... 'so the room is DM 79, right?' and she said, 'well, actually, it's DM 99, but DM 79 is okay...' i'll tell ya, my accent must be wowin' 'em today... slick-tongued devil that i am... =) see you all there (hopefully...) j.gordon --- Rainer Rutka wrote: > On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Rainer Rutka wrote: > > > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > for reserving tickets for Bernau, October 7th, visit: > > > www.altemusik.de > > OK! > Here is a nice and cheap hotel just 5 minutes away from the > place where the concert is: > > Forum Hotel Bernau > telephone: Germany (+49) (0)3338 / 600 200 > ask for Frau Grecksch > > DM 79,- for a single-room including breakfast (only!!!!) > They do have some rooms available. > Order your room now, before it's too late. > I told Frau Grecksch about the event (she didn't knew something about it!) > and 'warned' her that it's possible she will get some more reservations. > > Hope that helps! > > Rainer > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > www.rutka.de/td > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 8:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Timesquare At 01.03.14 06:34, Bennett wrote: >BTW, Any inside info on progress of US tour plans? I'm making summer >plans and wish I knew their schedule. I wish I knew as well. My wife likes most of TD's stuff and relishes the opportunity to see them live for the first time. Unfortunately, we have a friend who's getting married on June 30 with a hell of a party to go with it, so I'm a little conflicted here. As for my other Summer Plans? The annual trek to Nevada's Black Rock Desert to blow off steam and spin TD Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: antics@h... Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 8:29 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream - the cocktail. Hello unto you. Having lunch recently at the Firehouse in Santa Monica, California, I noticed a rather curious mixed drink on the menu. It seemed to be a recent development. It was called the 'Tangerine Dream' - comprised of some parts Absolut Mandarin and Cointreau. Also, one of those juice companies has a drink called the 'Tangerine Scream', comprised of some parts of the usual citrus fruit. Can the Academy Award for Best Cocktail in a Motion Picture be terribly far behind? Regards, David Cotner, \\\ http://www.hertz-lion.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Mar 14, 2001 9:58 pm Subject: pop composers classical music TD vehicle >(pop composers trying to do classical music is usually buttock-clenchingly embarrassing) right, like covering pachelbel's canon..... bleah, a horrible cover by virtually every newage group that were around. As for the speculation that with edgar's permission, jerome takes out the keys to the vehicle that is TD, I think it's more akin to Dali signing blank canvasses with whomever left to do the painting. --teiwaz np okefenokee dreams (or why I still love electronic music) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26482 Re: pop composers classical music TD vehicle Deborah Johnson Fri 3/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 5:02 am Subject: Artist???? (off-topic) Hi everyone A few years back I saw a program on the television about computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I always wanted to know who was. Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html Thanks in advanced. Jan From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 6:11 am Subject: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Well, I wouldn't want to disappoint anyone so I will live up to my rogueish reputation. There haven't been any reviews in a long time, it looks like my campaign to get bootlegs discussed fizzled, so I'll start spewing Solo reviews on a weekly. Feel free to ignore or join the fun. I'm not collecting these things so I hope someone is. As a good counter to my constant Edgar-bashing, here's my review of the aural treat, Epsilon in Malaysian Pale... Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (16'27') Great ambient introduction which brings us into Rubyconesque melody lines. Without the sequencing of Chris and Peter, of course most of Edgar's solo works are slightly more noodlings and sound like solo work. There's nothing wrong with this at all. I hate to say it because of the negative connotations, but it CAN be seen a bit like Modern Art. Some people hate it, some people love it, and sometimes its merits are as much on the circumstances surrounding the production as the production itself. If this were credited to 3 people, I'd scratch my head a bit. As 1 person doing it (whether EF had the use of multitrack editing or not is moot), it's good stuff. To me, Phaedra, Rubycon, Encore, and Force Majeure stand on their own two feet. Epsilon, you have to realize this is one man doing it, and better than most of the other solo work on the older keyboards I've heard. (Although Airsculpture's Jodrell Bank concert whips the llama's ass too!) Great sequencing here at 11:30. Epsilon is not a solid 16 1/2 minute track, it has chapters or segments. I guess Edgar just split it the same way the LP was split. There's a short sequence at the end which is a nice endcap. [Maroubra Bay (16'56')] Hah! I had this as background music while answering other e-mails, loved it death, and proceeded to fail to review it piece by piece! Drat! Guess I have to rewind and listen to it again! (hmm, maybe I subconsciously did that on purpose so I could hear it again). I guess I'd better listen again... From the cacophonic introduction, to the next passage--which gives me the same chills and future shock as the Blade Runner soundtrack--to the great sequence with the same string lines are all great. This sequence stretches from the 4 minute mark to just past the 14 minute mark. Some might say that's too long for an unchanging sequence (without Chris behind the wheel, it's not that surprising) but I didn't find it objectionable. The end here is, again, a nice endcap like Epsilon had. This album is definately must-own as are most of Edgar's solo efforts. Cheers, Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26408 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] scfeldman@j... Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26412 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Joe Shoults Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26417 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Feldon Feldon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26419 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] rbrown4856@a... Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26420 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26421 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26429 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Gary Jenkins Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26423 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Joe Shoults Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26427 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:27 am Subject: Re: Festival Alter Musik hi, > > for reserving tickets for Bernau, October 7th, visit: > www.altemusik.de damn, I'll be still in Hawaii with my girlfriend... :-) Well, I guess I'll make holiday plans for Atlanta and Sydney then. cheers armin From: 'E Neal FFrost' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 3:57 am Subject: Change of address Hello guys, It has become necessary for me to go out and get myself a change of address. My name is staying the same, however, I no longer live at Earthlink.net...I now live @bellsouth.net. So to ALL the people that might find it necessary to contact me, (and he knows who he is...) Please make a note of the address change. And with this change of address, I will also be putting a websight together. It won't be anything spectacular, butit will be me... Have a great day all. Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34718 Change of address Conrad Gibbons Mon 7/8/2002 2 KB From: strat95@b... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:23 am Subject: Okee Dreams David Brewer, Please contact me off list. I have lost your last post 'in the move' and would still like to get the Okeefanokee Dreams disc from you. Sorry for the off post, dudes. Neal From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 6:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE is the single best TD-related recording *ever*, in this TD fanboy's opinion. Yep, I like it even more than RUBYCON . . . and RICOCHET. -- Steven Feldman + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon wrote: > > A few years back I saw a program on the television about > computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I always wanted to > know who was. > > Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? > http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html Jan, I'd like to help you, but my browser seems to be unable to locate the server named 'www.pergamon.dk'. It says that 'the server does not have a DNS entry'. Is anyone else having a similar problem, or should I blame my ISP? Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26410 Re: Artist???? (off-topic) j.gordon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26422 Re: Artist???? (off-topic) Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26438 SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26439 Re: Artist???? (off-topic) Frank Arellano Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26442 Re: Artist???? (off-topic) Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26443 SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26446 Solved at last: Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB 26458 Re: Artist???? (off-topic) E Neal FFrost Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 2:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) i was able to connet to it directly and download the mp3... unfortunately, i have no idea who this is... btw, i'm in switzerland... j.gordon --- Antonio Nunes wrote: > > > Pergamon wrote: > > > > A few years back I saw a program on the television about > > computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I always wanted to > > know who was. > > > > Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? > > http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html > > > Jan, I'd like to help you, but my browser seems to be unable to locate > the server named 'www.pergamon.dk'. It says that 'the server does not > have a DNS entry'. Is anyone else having a similar problem, or should I > blame my ISP? > > Antonio Nunes > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:11 pm Subject: Classic Rock Hello there, Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but the upcoming Shepherds Bush bash is being sponsored/organised by the magazine _Classic Rock_. In the March issue it sez: 'Here's some great news for fans of Krautrock. _Classic Rock_ are flying in Tangerine Dream to play a one-off UK show at London Shepherds Bush Empire on May 12. The hugely influential German band, whose last album was 1999's _Mars Polaris_, have not played the UK in four years, so it promises to be a real treat. On April 24, the band will also release _Dream Mixes III_, the latest album in their ongoing remix series. Tangerine Dream were founded by Edgar Froese and have existed since 1967 and they now have an unbelievable 85 official CDs on the market - although time will obviously prevent them from playing something from each disc! That said, they are renowned for playing sets of up to four hours long.' It doesn't take a genius to work out, therefore, that the magazine will probably carry an article/interview with TD around the time of the concert, and a concert review. Watch that space. It's also an interesting magazine to check out for those who, like me, remember the days of the so-called New Wave of British Heavy Metal (Saxon, UFO, Judas Priest, Diamond Head, the Friday Rock Show with 'TV on the radio' Tommy Vance, etc.) from the early 80s. Most of the writers are the writers from _Kerrang!_ from that period, the style is similar, the bands are still around (albeit with paunches and thinning hair now). It's fun, but a bit spooky, to step back into 1981. Have these people been living there for the last two decades? Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26430 Re: Classic Rock David Foster Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] I think all we needed was for someone to step up to the plate, Morgan. thanks! Do you have a list of the solo albums that we can go through in order, like Lawry made for the album discussions? I'll publish that on tadream.net, and we can set up weekly reminders on the group calendar. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] > campaign to get bootlegs discussed fizzled, so I'll start > spewing Solo > reviews on a weekly. Feel free to ignore or join the fun. I'm > not collecting > these things so I hope someone is. From: Nigbur D Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Enjoy it while it lasts > ---------- > From: glynn_naughton@h...[SMTP:glynn_naughton@h...] > > > One thing I've become quite conscious of recently is how old Edgar > and that whole generation of rock musicians is getting. They're in > sight of retirement age from normal jobs, and most of them are > clearly within sight of the end of their careers. There will probably > only ever be one more Pink Floyd album and tour, Tina Turner has > turned 60, Genesis has shut up shop, Mick Jagger worries that he > might not be able to manage another tour with the Rolling Stones, > etc. etc. I reckon that we no longer have the luxury of waiting for > the next time if we don't care for what's on offer this time - we're > past the point where the next time is guaranteed. > I take your point about this, and I will be at the Bush if I manage to secure a ticket. But isn't the plan that Jerome will take over TD when Edgar retires? Yes, this may cause a change in direction for TD, but with the latest albums being of such good quality, the indications seem to be that TD would be in safe hands with Froese jr. Dennis From: Nigbur D Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Festival Alter Musik ??? What's this all about? ??? Dennis > ---------- > From: Heiko Heerssen[SMTP:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 13 March 2001 14:18 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Festival Alter Musik > > > > Victor Rek schrieb: > > > Two Questions: > > > > 1. Have all the dates (or at least approximate time frame) been posted > > for the the TD Trilogy concerts? > > Berlin (Berlin) - Atlanta - Sydney > > I know that Edgar announced some dates in the latest 'Elektro Beats' show > on > Radio Eins Brandenburg which took place last December, but at the moment I > can't remember the exact time frame (but I guess it was something like > Atlanta in 2003 and Sydney in 2005/06 or something) > > > I'm already making plans for the Oct. 7th Berlin show. > > For anyone who already ordered a ticket for this show, about an hour ago I > phoned the Bernau Promotion Agency and a young lady told me that they will > start selling tickets in about 1-2 weeks, right now it's too early for > distribution. Those who already ordered their ticket will either get a > phone > call or an e-mail. Most of the tickets are for unreserved seats, but since > I > ordered a ticket 2 1/2 weeks ago I hope to get a ticket for a reserved > seat > (which is much more expensive, ca. US$40 instead of US$20). One thing that > puzzles me is why there is no mention on the TDI sites about this concert > anymore. It seems that only very few tickets are still for sale! > > Heiko > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26416 Re: Festival Alter Musik j.gordon Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: Nigbur D Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Top 5 Eddy & Jerry (1) Mars Polaris (2) Transsiberia (3) Seven Letters (4) What a Blast (5) Oasis Dennis From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 4:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Festival Alter Musik > ??? What's this all about? ??? > > Dennis > it seems, dennis, that TD is holding a trilogy of concerts, dealing with Dante in Music (meaning a classical thingy), to be heald in three different cities... the first of these concerts is to be held just outside of Berlin on Oct 7th... i think one of the next cities will be in australia... the third i don't remember... it also seems that the concerts will be spread out over several years, which casts a strange shadow over all the talk of edgar giving over the keys (quite a nasty pun) to his son... better have the VST home by midnight, son... ah, dad... anyway... till Oct 7th all... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 5:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Well, I certainly don't have a comprehensive list. Here's what I have direct access to: Chris Franke - London Concert Chris Franke - Klemania Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquility (orig) Johannes Schmoelling - Wuivend Reit Johannes Schmoelling - White Out (orig) Edgar Froese - Ages Edgar Froese - Aqua Edgar Froese - Epsilon Edgar Froese - Kamikaze Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer Edgar Froese - Pinnacles Edgar Froese - Stuntman Someone else will have to pick up the slack on Paul Haslinger, Peter Baumann, any Chris Franke or Edgar Froese I'm missing (including the Beyond the Storm compilation). -Morgan >From: Joe Shoults >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Subject: RE: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:17:40 -0500 > >I think all we needed was for someone to step up to the plate, Morgan. >thanks! > >Do you have a list of the solo albums that we can go through in order, like >Lawry made for the album discussions? I'll publish that on tadream.net, >and >we can set up weekly reminders on the group calendar. > >Joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 5:54 pm Subject: Johannes Schmoelling 'White Out' Greetings All! If anyone is interested I have an extra, still sealed copy of the new remixed and rerecorded version of the classic White Out CD available for sell or trade.Contact me off-list if interested. Thanks! Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 6:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] In a message dated 3/15/01 8:37:44 AM Central Standard Time, scfeldman@j... writes: > 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. > At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is > is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' > -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 Thanks Steve! I'm glad someone kept this quote from me.I just hope I made a lasting impression about KS stuff. By the way,I have some Klaus stuff I would like to get rid of if anyone is interested.God knows I gave him enough chances! Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Hi Chris Franke also released Epic and the brilliant Pacific Coast Highway, plus Enchanting Nature and all the Babylon 5 albums. Baumann's solo was Phase By Phase wasn't it? (Could be wrong), I just have a compilation but it's fairly average. The best of them all of course if Michael Hoenig's Departure From A Northern Wasteland, a member of TD for live playing in the classic time, mid 70s but he couldn't record with them as he was contracted to another label as a solo artist. He also did a fantastic album (unreleased at the time) with Manuel Gottsching of Ashra Tempel and one solo album in the late 80s that's very hard to get. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Hi > > 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. > > At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is > > is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' > > -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 I think it depends on the album, his classics are brilliant but some are dull and some just don't gel at all. He released a huge amount of work and you have to find the sound and era that suits you. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26429 Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Gary Jenkins Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Hi > A few years back I saw a program on the television about > computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I always wanted to > know who was. > > Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? > http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html I wouldn't be suprised if it's the now legendary computer animation showcase linked to the album of the same name 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' by Jan Hammer. I haven't checked the MP3 though. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26438 SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:45 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] agreed. I like a lot of Schulze very much, but some of it is too heavy-handed, esp. all the orchestral sounds. [strike!] which brings up a question: when we consider including a solo work by a former TD member in our weekly discussions, what exactly do we include? Most of them didn't do solo works while they were still in TD, so it would have to mean that we covered works *after* they left. Well, in the case of Schulze, we're talking a truckload of albums. how about we limit it to the first couple solo albums after they left TD? feedback? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Coyle [mailto:markcoyleuk@y...] > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:35 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] > > > Hi > > > > 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and > over and over. > > > At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because > some say he is > > > is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow > my brains out.' > > > -- posting to tadream@c... on > Tue, 30 Jun 1998 > > I think it depends on the album, his classics are brilliant > but some are dull and > some just don't gel at all. > He released a huge amount of work and you have to find the > sound and era that suits > you. > > cheers > Mark > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:44 pm Subject: Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Hi > > One thing I've become quite conscious of recently is how old Edgar > > and that whole generation of rock musicians is getting. They're in > > sight of retirement age from normal jobs, and most of them are > > clearly within sight of the end of their careers. True and goodness knows, they deserve the rest after their schedule of releases in the last 30 years. For me, the whole sound pioneered by TD and related artists is being carried on and explored excellent by a lot of recent, (probably younger) bands who have done work that is far in excess of recent TD (strangley) and often matches TD at their prime. I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release), Radio Massacre International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit, Wavestar, Air Sculpture, Van Zul, Under The Dome, Andy Pickford and many more. I really do believe that the work being produced by many artists of the EM scene is peaking again and producing work of excellent quality. While TD will be the primary influence and the originator, these bands should be heard and listened to. A suprising amount of TD fans never do and miss out on much excellent music. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts On Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:44 PM, Mark Coyle [SMTP:markcoyleuk@y...] wrote: <> > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release), Radio Massacre > International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ RedSh*t .......... hmmmmmm never heard of *them* ;-) From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze It's good to be the follower instead of the one out in front... I have never been blown away or even really entertained by Klaus' music. There is no evolution in a 40 minute track. OY! -Morgan >From: rbrown4856@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:05:03 EST > >In a message dated 3/15/01 8:37:44 AM Central Standard Time, >scfeldman@j... writes: > > > > 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. > > At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is > > is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' > > -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 > >Thanks Steve! > > I'm glad someone kept this quote from me.I just hope I made a lasting >impression about KS stuff. >By the way,I have some Klaus stuff I would like to get rid of if anyone is >interested.God knows I gave him enough chances! > >Rick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Hi > agreed. I like a lot of Schulze very much, but some of it is too > heavy-handed, esp. all the orchestral sounds. [strike!] I agree his classic work and incorporation of strings and so on isn't half as good as he thinks it is. The master of that is a chap called Stephen Bacchus who is astounding at it. Subtle and devastating but electronic too. He can also get off on a riff for 40 minutes that goes nowhere. > which brings up a question: when we consider including a solo work by a > former TD member in our weekly discussions, what exactly do we include? > Most of them didn't do solo works while they were still in TD, so it would > have to mean that we covered works *after* they left. Well, in the case of > Schulze, we're talking a truckload of albums. how about we limit it to the > first couple solo albums after they left TD? feedback? But in Schulze's case that would be fairly dull drone work (sub Zeit/Atem), Cyborg, Irrlicht and so on. Timewind and Moondawn etc are far better. For me Franke's work at its best is the top solo TD. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Joe, Too much salsa and red M&M's are to blame. -Morgan P.S. Someone forgot Free System Projeckt on that Who's Who list. >From: 'Joel S. Mullen' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:58:12 -0600 > > > >On Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:44 PM, Mark Coyle >[SMTP:markcoyleuk@y...] wrote: > ><> > > > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release), >Radio Massacre > > International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >RedSh*t .......... hmmmmmm never heard of *them* ;-) > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:11 pm Subject: Re: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] - > > > > > 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. > > > At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is > > > is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' > > > -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 > > Quite agree with this I find his music very boring I remember buying Dune the first album I got by him probably the worst EM I have ever listened too so bad I threw it out. Cheers Gary. Np.The Keep > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Rock Glynn said.................. It's also an interesting magazine to check out for those who, like > me, remember the days of the so-called New Wave of British Heavy > Metal (Saxon, UFO, Judas Priest, Diamond Head, the Friday Rock Show > with 'TV on the radio' Tommy Vance, etc.) from the early 80s. Most of > the writers are the writers from _Kerrang!_ from that period, the > style is similar, the bands are still around (albeit with paunches > and thinning hair now). It's fun, but a bit spooky, to step back into > 1981. Have these people been living there for the last two decades? > I recall I have in my collection somewhere a tape of Tommy Vance on Radio 1 playing some TD (Cloudburst flight may be) or another electronic act and he wasn't too nce about them! It was along the lines of the music scene being rife with that kind of rubbish....... How's laughing now, Tommy? Nice to see Classic Rock taking an interest. David > Glynn > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Hi > > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release), Radio Massacre > > International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit > > RedSh*t .......... hmmmmmm never heard of *them* ;-) Ho ho ho ho, ahem. Moving swiftly on. They are ace though, honestly......Gulp! cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26434 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Gary Jenkins Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] HI > I agree his classic work and incorporation of strings and so on isn't half as good as > he thinks it is. The master of that is a chap called Stephen Bacchus who is > astounding at it. Subtle and devastating but electronic too. He can also get off on > a riff for 40 minutes that goes nowhere. Schulze, not Bacchus that is. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 2:50 am Subject: Future of TD?? With all the recent talk and speculation surrounding the fact that Edgar might soon permanently pass over the TD reigns to Jerome, a couple of points struck me concerning the version of TD we see on stage. 1. The proposed trilogy of concerts at various locations around the world. It has been muted that it might take TD up to 2 years to complete this trilogy. It must have been in the planning stages for a long while now, and if that's the case, then surely Edgar would want to remain part of the band to complete this project, especialy as it seems to be classically-based. 2. Without Edgar, does anyone have any ideas on just how TD might plan to present themselves on stage in the future? Just Jerome, Zlatco and Emil? A new member to 'replace' Edgar? Trying to imagine TD on stage without him is very difficult, particularly when to all intents and purposes, he is Tangerine Dream! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26468 Re: Future of TD?? Nigbur D Fri 3/16/2001 3 KB 26470 Re: Future of TD?? Greg Fri 3/16/2001 3 KB 26471 Re: Future of TD?? Heiko Heerssen Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB 26475 Re: Future of TD?? Feldon Feldon Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB 26476 Re: Future of TD?? lawlermusic Fri 3/16/2001 3 KB 26481 Re: Future of TD?? Roger Hartopp Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB 26484 Re: Future of TD?? Deborah Johnson Sat 3/17/2001 2 KB 26490 Re: Future of TD?? Jack Kramer Sat 3/17/2001 2 KB 26491 Re: Future of TD?? Jack Kramer Sat 3/17/2001 3 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:34 pm Subject: Re: Enjoy it while it lasts - > Hi Talking of all these other artists I have listened to a few of them some you like some you don't I have two Cd's for sale/trade they are Fjord Transit- Air Sculpture and Appears to Vanish-Paul Ellis if interested please E-mail off list. cheers Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Hi > P.S. Someone forgot Free System Projeckt on that Who's Who list. Oddly I've not bought anything by them, or Dwellar At The Threshold, any thoughts on either? cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts > > <> > > > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release) Hey ! have some other people joined Arcane without me knowing ? and changed the title ? ; ) Reminds me of that great TD album 'Lily is a bitch' Ha! I`m a fine one to talk about spelingg . Paul From: scfeldman@j... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:52 pm Subject: ALTERSTILL On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:42:49 -0000 'lawlermusic' writes: >>> I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release) > >Reminds me of that great TD album 'Lily is a bitch' >Ha! I`m a fine one to talk about spelingg . Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two Arcane releases? I ask this because I found the first one weak, while I found the second quite good. Also, why is ALTERSTILL a CD-R rather than a CD? > Paul -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'I remember someone coming up to me at work when I was listening to Music From The Hearts of Space--all concerned because the music was stuck, that it was playing the same thing over and over and over. My explanation that the piece was slowly evolving did not convince the skeptic.' -- Doug Daughtry , Space Music mailing list, 9/11/98 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26440 Re: ALTERSTILL Mark Coyle Thu 3/15/2001 5 KB 26451 Re: ALTERSTILL lawlermusic Thu 3/15/2001 6 KB 26456 Re: ALTERSTILL Frank Arellano Thu 3/15/2001 7 KB 26460 Re: ALTERSTILL Mark Coyle Fri 3/16/2001 3 KB 26461 Re: ALTERSTILL lawlermusic Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB 26464 Re: ALTERSTILL Jack Kramer Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB 26473 Re: ALTERSTILL scfeldman@j... Fri 3/16/2001 4 KB 26489 Re: ALTERSTILL Jack Kramer Sat 3/17/2001 5 KB 26492 Re: ALTERSTILL Mark Coyle Sat 3/17/2001 4 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:06 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Hi Someone mentioned to me ones that this might be Yello, but I haven't been able to confirm that. Jan > Hi > > > A few years back I saw a program on the television about > > computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I > always wanted to > > know who was. > > > > Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? > > http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html > > I wouldn't be suprised if it's the now legendary computer > animation showcase linked > to the album of the same name 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' by Jan > Hammer. I haven't > checked the MP3 though. > > cheers > Mark > > _________________________________________________________ Do You > Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) I was thinking the same thing, Mark. I have it on CD. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Coyle' To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) > Hi > > > A few years back I saw a program on the television about > > computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I always wanted to > > know who was. > > > > Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? > > http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html > > I wouldn't be suprised if it's the now legendary computer animation showcase linked > to the album of the same name 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' by Jan Hammer. I haven't > checked the MP3 though. > > cheers > Mark > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL Hi > Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two Arcane > releases? I ask this because I found the first one weak, while I found > the second quite good. Also, why is ALTERSTILL a CD-R rather > than a CD? Afterstill, ahem, is reviewed as follows at the wallet swallowing SynthMusicDirect as follows: 'Messrs Schreck and Buchloch, enthused by the reaction to the 2nd incarnation of Arcane, have bowed to public demand and released this, a collection of mainly studio pieces which both precede and succeed the existing Arcane releases. 'Alterstill 1' is an incredible track taken from the 'Lupus' sessions, a period where they were further developing their melodic sequential style characterised by their 'Polish' concert tour in the late 70's. The track is quite simply one of the finest melody/sequencer fests you are likely to hear - with biting drum rhythms and crystalline effects inspired by the sub zero temperatures which they often endured on stage. Apparently Schreck commissioned custom built fan heaters to place in front of the modular systems, which didn't improve the tuning that much but at least kept his hands warm while manipulating the sequencer modules. Onto 'Alterstill 2', a slightly later piece which builds slowly and carefully develops an anthemic theme enhanced by trademark sequencing, the modern edge further influenced by the software sequencing and PPG samples which were in use at the time. This piece and the next 'Alterstill 3' were presented at the triumphant Jodrell Bank concert, and 'Alterstill 3' especially was met by cheers of wonderment such is the power and drive of the music. For this track the band were joined by synth rock-master Marcus Schrew, and Schreck especially expressed concern as to whether Marcus's bombastic approach was perhaps too commercial for the band, but the crowd reaction was emphatic and encouraged the band to release this studio version. Onto 'Alterstill 4', another track from the 'Lupus' sessions and perhaps the highlight of this set. Starting carefully with classic analogue effects, the piece then bursts into life with electronic syncopations which develop into the most infectious melodies you are ever likely to hear. Further lustre is added by the fact that the melody is picked out in classic Vangelis style, reminiscent of the 'China' period. Rumours abound that it is actually the V man guesting on the track, a story fuelled by their backstage meeting after Vangelis' London Drury Lane concert in '77. Finally we have 'Alterstill 5 - Live at Mount Festival', a piece originally recorded in 1977 on their 'Teach Yourself to Crash Cars' European tour, this particular version recorded at the infamous Milton Keynes Town Hall appearance where 2000 people tried to fit into a venue designed for 300, then rioted when Arcane, not Kraftwerk, walked on stage. This piece underlines how sensational the planned live album would have been, a project sadly cut short by Max Richter's pyrotechnic demise. Rumours abound that the full set of live tapes are still in tact and may yet see the light of day in a subsequent release. Choose your style - sequencing, melody, atmosphere, rhythm, power, dynamics - any combination, or anything in between. Arcane can produce it all, brilliantly. Buy without hesitation. (GG) ' Not sure why it's a CDR though. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Baumann's solo was Phase By Phase wasn't it? (Could be wrong), I just have a compilation but it's fairly average. *Well IMO the most TD like (and best) was Romace '76 > The best of them all of course if Michael Hoenig's Departure From A Northern > Wasteland, *I'll second that emotion..... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Hi > I was thinking the same thing, Mark. I have it on CD. > > I wouldn't be suprised if it's the now legendary computer animation > showcase linked > > to the album of the same name 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' by Jan Hammer. I > haven't > > checked the MP3 though. I remember my jaw almost physically dropping at that video. How far things have come in ten years!! Fairly good music too. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26443 SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 26446 Solved at last: Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:29 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) Hi Just went to CDnow and had a listen to the tracks from JH 'beyond the.....' and NO it's not from there. Jan > Hi > > > I was thinking the same thing, Mark. I have it on CD. > > > I wouldn't be suprised if it's the now legendary computer animation > > showcase linked > > > to the album of the same name 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' by Jan > Hammer. I > > haven't > > > checked the MP3 though. > > I remember my jaw almost physically dropping at that video. > How far things have come in ten years!! > Fairly good music too. > > cheers > Mark > > _________________________________________________________ Do You > Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26446 Solved at last: Artist???? (off-topic) Pergamon Thu 3/15/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts I never have heard of Van Zul. I have heard of Van Zyle, but I haven't heard his music nor Nemesis', although I'm sure I will the latter. I agree these other EM groups have produced some great music, but my respect goes to TD, because they reinvested vast amounts of their own personal money in developing the technology in creating the sounds. Back then, it was a real physical workout to perform their music. It is much easier nowadays. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Coyle' To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:44 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts > Hi > > > > One thing I've become quite conscious of recently is how old Edgar > > > and that whole generation of rock musicians is getting. They're in > > > sight of retirement age from normal jobs, and most of them are > > > clearly within sight of the end of their careers. > > True and goodness knows, they deserve the rest after their schedule of releases in > the last 30 years. > > For me, the whole sound pioneered by TD and related artists is being carried on and > explored excellent by a lot of recent, (probably younger) bands who have done work > that is far in excess of recent TD (strangley) and often matches TD at their prime. > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release), Radio Massacre > International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit, Wavestar, Air Sculpture, Van Zul, > Under The Dome, Andy Pickford and many more. I really do believe that the work being > produced by many artists of the EM scene is peaking again and producing work of > excellent quality. While TD will be the primary influence and the originator, these > bands should be heard and listened to. A suprising amount of TD fans never do and > miss out on much excellent music. > > cheers > Mark > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26445 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Gary Jenkins Thu 3/15/2001 4 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:44 pm Subject: Re: Enjoy it while it lasts --- In tadream@y..., 'Frank Arellano' wrote: > I never have heard of Van Zul. I have heard of Van Zyle, but I haven't heard > his music nor Nemesis' > Hi Frank I can reccommend Sky Archeology by Nemesis try to get a listen really love this along with Arcane probably the best Em apart from TD I have heard recently. Cheers Gary. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Mark Coyle' > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:44 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts > > > > Hi > > > > > > One thing I've become quite conscious of recently is how old Edgar > > > > and that whole generation of rock musicians is getting. They're in > > > > sight of retirement age from normal jobs, and most of them are > > > > clearly within sight of the end of their careers. > > > > True and goodness knows, they deserve the rest after their schedule of > releases in > > the last 30 years. > > > > For me, the whole sound pioneered by TD and related artists is being > carried on and > > explored excellent by a lot of recent, (probably younger) bands who have > done work > > that is far in excess of recent TD (strangley) and often matches TD at > their prime. > > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill release), > Radio Massacre > > International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit, Wavestar, Air Sculpture, > Van Zul, > > Under The Dome, Andy Pickford and many more. I really do believe that the > work being > > produced by many artists of the EM scene is peaking again and producing > work of > > excellent quality. While TD will be the primary influence and the > originator, these > > bands should be heard and listened to. A suprising amount of TD fans > never do and > > miss out on much excellent music. > > > > cheers > > Mark > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:57 pm Subject: Solved at last: Artist???? (off-topic) Hi everyone Thanks for ideas, suggestions etc etc, but the riddle has now been solved. A friend just emailed me, confirming that this is indeed Yello and the track is called 'Sweet thunder' featuring on the album 'Baby'. Thanks Jan From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 10:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Hi > > I never have heard of Van Zul. I have heard of Van Zyle, but I > haven't heard his music nor Nemesis' Check out SMD's reviews, good stuff! > > Hi Frank I can reccommend Sky Archeology by Nemesis try to get a > listen really love this along with Arcane probably the best Em apart > from TD I have heard recently. Their new one, Cyberiad is just as good. I should have mentioned Node too and Dom F Scab (what a name!) cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 10:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Hi > I agree these other EM groups have produced some great music, but my respect > goes to TD, because they reinvested vast amounts of their own personal money > in developing the technology in creating the sounds. Back then, it was a > real physical workout to perform their music. It is much easier nowadays. Oh I agree with the sentiment but the time is very different. Also, there really is no commercial outlet for most of the most, most EM releases probably involve a massive investment from the people making the music to get going, or get a first release. Many bands have to release albums as CDRs self-funding it. We can't be too harsh, after all, we would only listen to Bach if we did as he bought together the 12 note scale. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 10:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] I'd like a copy of Romance 76' if someone can help me out in any way possible / trade. Thanks in advance :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] > Baumann's solo was Phase By Phase wasn't it? (Could be wrong), I just have a > compilation but it's fairly average. > > *Well IMO the most TD like (and best) was Romace '76 > > > The best of them all of course if Michael Hoenig's Departure From A Northern > > Wasteland, > > *I'll second that emotion..... > Poly > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts I will, thanks Gary. Any relation to Steve Jenkins? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gary Jenkins' To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:44 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts > --- In tadream@y..., 'Frank Arellano' wrote: > > I never have heard of Van Zul. I have heard of Van Zyle, but I > haven't heard > > his music nor Nemesis' > > > Hi Frank I can reccommend Sky Archeology by Nemesis try to get a > listen really love this along with Arcane probably the best Em apart > from TD I have heard recently. > Cheers Gary. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Mark Coyle' > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:44 PM > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > One thing I've become quite conscious of recently is how old > Edgar > > > > > and that whole generation of rock musicians is getting. > They're in > > > > > sight of retirement age from normal jobs, and most of them are > > > > > clearly within sight of the end of their careers. > > > > > > True and goodness knows, they deserve the rest after their > schedule of > > releases in > > > the last 30 years. > > > > > > For me, the whole sound pioneered by TD and related artists is > being > > carried on and > > > explored excellent by a lot of recent, (probably younger) bands > who have > > done work > > > that is far in excess of recent TD (strangley) and often matches > TD at > > their prime. > > > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill > release), > > Radio Massacre > > > International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit, Wavestar, Air > Sculpture, > > Van Zul, > > > Under The Dome, Andy Pickford and many more. I really do believe > that the > > work being > > > produced by many artists of the EM scene is peaking again and > producing > > work of > > > excellent quality. While TD will be the primary influence and the > > originator, these > > > bands should be heard and listened to. A suprising amount of TD > fans > > never do and > > > miss out on much excellent music. > > > > > > cheers > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in > London! > > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26453 Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Gary Jenkins Thu 3/15/2001 5 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 10:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL The SMD review was nothing to do with me . I read it first when the catalogue dropped through my door . Its a CDR because its not a full *new* album .The tracks were left over tracks that were meant for compilation albums that never got off the ground . I only intended to release it at mp3.com , but Dave Law wanted to release it as well . Its on CDR so I can get paid the same as I do from MP3.com . You cant blame for not doing it for free !!!!!! Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Coyle To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL > Hi > > > Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two Arcane > > releases? I ask this because I found the first one weak, while I found > > the second quite good. Also, why is ALTERSTILL a CD-R rather > > than a CD? > > Afterstill, ahem, is reviewed as follows at the wallet swallowing SynthMusicDirect as > follows: > > 'Messrs Schreck and Buchloch, enthused by the reaction to the 2nd incarnation of > Arcane, have bowed to public demand and released this, a collection of mainly studio > pieces which both precede and succeed the existing Arcane releases. > 'Alterstill 1' is an incredible track taken from the 'Lupus' sessions, a period where > they were further developing their melodic sequential style characterised by their > 'Polish' concert tour in the late 70's. The track is quite simply one of the finest > melody/sequencer fests you are likely to hear - with biting drum rhythms and > crystalline effects inspired by the sub zero temperatures which they often endured on > stage. Apparently Schreck commissioned custom built fan heaters to place in front of > the modular systems, which didn't improve the tuning that much but at least kept his > hands warm while manipulating the sequencer modules. > > Onto 'Alterstill 2', a slightly later piece which builds slowly and carefully > develops an anthemic theme enhanced by trademark sequencing, the modern edge further > influenced by the software sequencing and PPG samples which were in use at the time. > This piece and the next 'Alterstill 3' were presented at the triumphant Jodrell Bank > concert, and 'Alterstill 3' especially was met by cheers of wonderment such is the > power and drive of the music. For this track the band were joined by synth > rock-master Marcus Schrew, and Schreck especially expressed concern as to whether > Marcus's bombastic approach was perhaps too commercial for the band, but the crowd > reaction was emphatic and encouraged the band to release this studio version. > > Onto 'Alterstill 4', another track from the 'Lupus' sessions and perhaps the > highlight of this set. Starting carefully with classic analogue effects, the piece > then bursts into life with electronic syncopations which develop into the most > infectious melodies you are ever likely to hear. Further lustre is added by the fact > that the melody is picked out in classic Vangelis style, reminiscent of the 'China' > period. Rumours abound that it is actually the V man guesting on the track, a story > fuelled by their backstage meeting after Vangelis' London Drury Lane concert in '77. > Finally we have 'Alterstill 5 - Live at Mount Festival', a piece originally recorded > in 1977 on their 'Teach Yourself to Crash Cars' European tour, this particular > version recorded at the infamous Milton Keynes Town Hall appearance where 2000 people > tried to fit into a venue designed for 300, then rioted when Arcane, not Kraftwerk, > walked on stage. This piece underlines how sensational the planned live album would > have been, a project sadly cut short by Max Richter's pyrotechnic demise. Rumours > abound that the full set of live tapes are still in tact and may yet see the light of > day in a subsequent release. > > Choose your style - sequencing, melody, atmosphere, rhythm, power, dynamics - any > combination, or anything in between. Arcane can produce it all, brilliantly. Buy > without hesitation. (GG) ' > > Not sure why it's a CDR though. > > cheers > Mark > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 10:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] An eBay check only revealed LPs of Romance '76 (or any Peter Baumann for that matter) >From: 'Frank Arellano' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:23:07 -0700 > >I'd like a copy of Romance 76' if someone can help me out in any way >possible / trade. Thanks in advance :-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:07 pm Subject: Re: Enjoy it while it lasts --- In tadream@y..., 'Frank Arellano' wrote: > I will, thanks Gary. Any relation to Steve Jenkins? > No we are not related but actually just been in contact with him on a trade for Dreamwatchers Tales, unless he his the brother I never knew about lol Cheers Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Gary Jenkins' > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:44 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Frank Arellano' wrote: > > > I never have heard of Van Zul. I have heard of Van Zyle, but I > > haven't heard > > > his music nor Nemesis' > > > > > Hi Frank I can reccommend Sky Archeology by Nemesis try to get a > > listen really love this along with Arcane probably the best Em apart > > from TD I have heard recently. > > Cheers Gary. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: 'Mark Coyle' > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:44 PM > > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > One thing I've become quite conscious of recently is how old > > Edgar > > > > > > and that whole generation of rock musicians is getting. > > They're in > > > > > > sight of retirement age from normal jobs, and most of them are > > > > > > clearly within sight of the end of their careers. > > > > > > > > True and goodness knows, they deserve the rest after their > > schedule of > > > releases in > > > > the last 30 years. > > > > > > > > For me, the whole sound pioneered by TD and related artists is > > being > > > carried on and > > > > explored excellent by a lot of recent, (probably younger) bands > > who have > > > done work > > > > that is far in excess of recent TD (strangley) and often matches > > TD at > > > their prime. > > > > I'm thinking of bands like Arcane (see their new Afterstill > > release), > > > Radio Massacre > > > > International, Rainbow Serpent, Nemisis, RedShit, Wavestar, Air > > Sculpture, > > > Van Zul, > > > > Under The Dome, Andy Pickford and many more. I really do believe > > that the > > > work being > > > > produced by many artists of the EM scene is peaking again and > > producing > > > work of > > > > excellent quality. While TD will be the primary influence and the > > > originator, these > > > > bands should be heard and listened to. A suprising amount of TD > > fans > > > never do and > > > > miss out on much excellent music. > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in > > London! > > > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Coral Rumsey' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] classic rock and BBC R1 DJs and after TD Re Klaus Schulze: > > > > I think it depends on the album, his classics are brilliant > > but some are dull and > > some just don't gel at all. > > He released a huge amount of work and you have to find the > > sound and era that suits > > you. 'Spielglocken' from 'Audentity' (which for years I knew only as the single LP released in the UK by Dick James Music[Elton John's publisher!]) sums up my era of finding a way into Klaus, and is a magnificent 23 minute piece. Anyone willing to help me with a map to KS post-1990? > > Glynn said.................. > > It's also an interesting magazine to check out for those who, like > > me, remember the days of the so-called New Wave of British Heavy > > Metal (Saxon, UFO, Judas Priest, Diamond Head, the Friday Rock Show > > with 'TV on the radio' Tommy Vance, etc.) from the early 80s. Most of > > the writers are the writers from _Kerrang!_ from that period, the > > style is similar, the bands are still around (albeit with paunches > > and thinning hair now). It's fun, but a bit spooky, to step back into > > 1981. Have these people been living there for the last two decades? > > Their contemporaneous Punks & New-Wavers also turn up in comparable package tours in 'Mojo's back-pages, showing the shallowness of their then-hip 'righteous vitriol' . Enough people who came of age (in the UK anyway) back then have enough money now to finance it. I saw Biff Byford of Saxon on some 'HM Top 10', holding court in his living-room complete with Hilda-Ogden-wall-filling 'muriel' talking up HM's stock (and presumably Saxon's lagging Berni-Inn-only bookings). Is 'Classic Rock' a pop version of 'The Oldie'? > > I recall I have in my collection somewhere a tape of Tommy Vance on Radio 1 > playing some TD (Cloudburst flight may be) or another electronic act and he > wasn't too nce about them! It was along the lines of the music scene > being rife with that kind of rubbish....... > His peer Alan Freeman says some nice-ish things about them on a tape I've got where he introduces a 1989 re-broadcast of the 1975 Albert Hall gig. That period (ie circa 1981) was, I think, still defined in Britain's media by wars between pre and post Punks. Many of the pre-s may well have then ignorantly lumped anything with electronic elements in alongside 'Japanese Boy'. 'Stairway To Heaven' was still no. 1 in Tommy Vance's listeners'poll circa 82-83, and seemingly everything else in the top 5 was 10 or so years old. Thanks to whoever took time to recall Edgar's 'Epsilon In Malaysian Pale' - a v nice disc in a gorgeous cover. Wish he still did things as lovely as that rather than cod-Classical pension-friendly stuff. Anyone got anything to tell me about 'Beyond The Storm'? thanks Simon Fay Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26459 Re: classic rock and BBC R1 DJs and after TD Mark Coyle Fri 3/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Hell, I'd take a cassette copy! I just want to hear what all the hoopla has been about. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] > An eBay check only revealed LPs of Romance '76 (or any Peter Baumann for > that matter) > > > >From: 'Frank Arellano' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] > >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:23:07 -0700 > > > >I'd like a copy of Romance 76' if someone can help me out in any way > >possible / trade. Thanks in advance :-) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL We can too , that shrewd SOB .... :-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'lawlermusic' To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL > The SMD review was nothing to do with me . I read it first when the > catalogue dropped through my door . > Its a CDR because its not a full *new* album .The tracks were left over > tracks that were meant for compilation albums that never got off the ground > . > I only intended to release it at mp3.com , but Dave Law wanted to release > it as well . Its on CDR so I can get paid the same as I do from MP3.com . > You cant blame for not doing it for free !!!!!! > > Paul > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Coyle > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL > > > > Hi > > > > > Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two Arcane > > > releases? I ask this because I found the first one weak, while I found > > > the second quite good. Also, why is ALTERSTILL a CD-R rather > > > than a CD? > > > > Afterstill, ahem, is reviewed as follows at the wallet swallowing > SynthMusicDirect as > > follows: > > > > 'Messrs Schreck and Buchloch, enthused by the reaction to the 2nd > incarnation of > > Arcane, have bowed to public demand and released this, a collection of > mainly studio > > pieces which both precede and succeed the existing Arcane releases. > > 'Alterstill 1' is an incredible track taken from the 'Lupus' sessions, a > period where > > they were further developing their melodic sequential style characterised > by their > > 'Polish' concert tour in the late 70's. The track is quite simply one of > the finest > > melody/sequencer fests you are likely to hear - with biting drum rhythms > and > > crystalline effects inspired by the sub zero temperatures which they often > endured on > > stage. Apparently Schreck commissioned custom built fan heaters to place > in front of > > the modular systems, which didn't improve the tuning that much but at > least kept his > > hands warm while manipulating the sequencer modules. > > > > Onto 'Alterstill 2', a slightly later piece which builds slowly and > carefully > > develops an anthemic theme enhanced by trademark sequencing, the modern > edge further > > influenced by the software sequencing and PPG samples which were in use at > the time. > > This piece and the next 'Alterstill 3' were presented at the triumphant > Jodrell Bank > > concert, and 'Alterstill 3' especially was met by cheers of wonderment > such is the > > power and drive of the music. For this track the band were joined by synth > > rock-master Marcus Schrew, and Schreck especially expressed concern as to > whether > > Marcus's bombastic approach was perhaps too commercial for the band, but > the crowd > > reaction was emphatic and encouraged the band to release this studio > version. > > > > Onto 'Alterstill 4', another track from the 'Lupus' sessions and perhaps > the > > highlight of this set. Starting carefully with classic analogue effects, > the piece > > then bursts into life with electronic syncopations which develop into the > most > > infectious melodies you are ever likely to hear. Further lustre is added > by the fact > > that the melody is picked out in classic Vangelis style, reminiscent of > the 'China' > > period. Rumours abound that it is actually the V man guesting on the > track, a story > > fuelled by their backstage meeting after Vangelis' London Drury Lane > concert in '77. > > Finally we have 'Alterstill 5 - Live at Mount Festival', a piece > originally recorded > > in 1977 on their 'Teach Yourself to Crash Cars' European tour, this > particular > > version recorded at the infamous Milton Keynes Town Hall appearance where > 2000 people > > tried to fit into a venue designed for 300, then rioted when Arcane, not > Kraftwerk, > > walked on stage. This piece underlines how sensational the planned live > album would > > have been, a project sadly cut short by Max Richter's pyrotechnic demise. > Rumours > > abound that the full set of live tapes are still in tact and may yet see > the light of > > day in a subsequent release. > > > > Choose your style - sequencing, melody, atmosphere, rhythm, power, > dynamics - any > > combination, or anything in between. Arcane can produce it all, > brilliantly. Buy > > without hesitation. (GG) ' > > > > Not sure why it's a CDR though. > > > > cheers > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'E Neal FFrost' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Rick, Send me a copy of your Klaus Schulze list. I'd be interested in trading with you for some or all of it. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] > In a message dated 3/15/01 8:37:44 AM Central Standard Time, > scfeldman@j... writes: > > > > 'Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and over and over. > > At least TD is music. I've tried to listen to KS because some say he is > > is better than TD. After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.' > > -- posting to tadream@c... on Tue, 30 Jun 1998 > > Thanks Steve! > > I'm glad someone kept this quote from me.I just hope I made a lasting > impression about KS stuff. > By the way,I have some Klaus stuff I would like to get rid of if anyone is > interested.God knows I gave him enough chances! > > Rick > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'E Neal FFrost' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) I lsitened to it, and all I can say is that if/when it is determained who this is, I want it. This is a very cool peice of music, and I would love to hear the rest of his/her/there music. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Coyle' To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Artist???? (off-topic) > Hi > > > A few years back I saw a program on the television about > > computeranimations. The program ended with a tune, that I always wanted to > > know who was. > > > > Does anyone know who the artist of this track are???? > > http://www.pergamon.dk/mp3.html > > I wouldn't be suprised if it's the now legendary computer animation showcase linked > to the album of the same name 'Beyond The Mind's Eye' by Jan Hammer. I haven't > checked the MP3 though. > > cheers > Mark > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 12:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] classic rock and BBC R1 DJs and after TD Hi > 'Spielglocken' from 'Audentity' (which for years I knew only as the single > LP released in the UK by Dick James Music[Elton John's publisher!]) sums up > my era of finding a way into Klaus, and is a magnificent 23 minute piece. > Anyone willing to help me with a map to KS post-1990? Oh very difficult, he gave up electronic music and then came back, did classical, collaborations and so on. His most consistent is the double 1994 release In Blue which has a fantastic Ashra Tempel reunion with Manuel Gottsching. He released a ten CD box set of new material last year (I think) and it was fairly average. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 12:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL Hi > The SMD review was nothing to do with me . I read it first when the > catalogue dropped through my door . > Its a CDR because its not a full *new* album .The tracks were left over > tracks that were meant for compilation albums that never got off the ground > . > I only intended to release it at mp3.com , but Dave Law wanted to release > it as well . Its on CDR so I can get paid the same as I do from MP3.com . > You cant blame for not doing it for free !!!!!! > Paul I'm just grateful to have such ace music out. Blimey it would have been wasted as only MP3. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 12:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Coyle To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL > Hi > > > Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two Arcane > > releases? I ask this because I found the first one weak, while I found > > the second quite good. Wash your mouth out with soap !!!!!!!! :) I`m thinking of doing an album of Mozart tracks using only a korg M1 . What do you rekon ? could call it 'Star pooper' ? Paul From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 12:06 am Subject: D: [Solo] Dune - Klaus Schulze >> Quite agree with this I find his music very boring I remember >buying Dune the first album I got by him probably the worst EM I have >ever listened too so bad I threw it out. >Cheers Gary. >Np.The Keep Ah! That was a very bad beginning. One year before, KS release one of his best albums: X, a double classic album. One track, Friedmann Bach, is a 10-minute long sequenced track that reminds me a lot of TD's sequencies. Dune is a boring album. I've even tried to like it, but it's very hard to listen. It was inspired by Frank Herbert's Dune. The first track, Dune, is atmospheric music. You really need to be in the mood for it. It can be rewarding if you're patient, because it has a loong dark intro but it after it it's a strangely beautiful slow, long track (half an hour!...). But what's for some strangely beautiful, for others is just plain boring. The second track, Shadows of Ignorance, is rhythmic, but the sequence and rhythm never change and a long poem is 'rhythmicly recited' over it. Dune is a very strange and hard album, and boring. That one hour can be better spent with, for example, like I said, the first CD from the double album X (which has also a half hour atmospheric very dark track). One thing interesting about KS's obsession with long tracks is that sometimes they can be good for exploration; some tracks sound like a soundtrack for walking in a vast desert (hey - that's Dune, isn't it?), or exploring a rain forest, or wandering in deep space. I like those vast ideas. np Gustavo Jobim - The Jupiter Rings (a little 12-minute long improvisation, lots of atmospherics and in the middle section a nervous feast of dissonant loud waaahs.It's very strange but I like it. :) The last section can even be called 'beautiful', with atmospherics and a lot of phasing. Kind of calm weather after a storm. The track has lots of looong notes.) Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26469 Re: D: [Solo] Dune - Klaus Schulze Nigbur D Fri 3/16/2001 5 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:40 pm Subject: D: Solo [Baumann - Transharmonic Nights] RE: D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Three subjects: 1. Epsilon in Malaysian Pale 2. Baumann's Transharmonic Nights 3. Joe's question about what we should include on the weekly solo discussions EIMP: I think a good description of EIMP is: 40 minutes of something better than Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares with Phaedra-esque ------ about Joe's question: I think we can include all solo work. But how would we fit Klaus Schulze in this? His work is so vast. I think we can skip discussing a lot of his albums, though. (Irrlicht...) From: Joe Shoults which brings up a question: when we consider including a solo work by a former TD member in our weekly discussions, what exactly do we include? Most of them didn't do solo works while they were still in TD, so it would have to mean that we covered works *after* they left. Well, in the case of Schulze, we're talking a truckload of albums. how about we limit it to the first couple solo albums after they left TD? feedback? --------- Baumann - Transharmonic Nights: A good album, it's not Ricochet or Stratosfear but it's very enjoyable and has a few great tracks. 1. This Day This is a slow sequencey track, the sequence is a bit like White Eagle. Actually, the sequence is fast but the melody is slower. I could say the style in general is different from TD, but the sequence could be from a TD album. Not one of my favourites, and not a very good way to start the album IMO. Many of the tracks in the album are moody, and nightly. This is one of them. 2. White Bench and Black Beach Starts with percussion, and a moody, almost sad slow melody that is different from TD's style. It reminds me of the Hyperborea title track theme. I consider this track nice, but it sounds like a end-of-album track. 3. Chasing the Dream The title fits very well: this track could be a lost track from Ricochet or Stratosfear. It's fast and sequenced. It has harpsichord and guitar. It's excellent. 4. Biking up the Strand Have you ever played Atari's Bobby is Going Home game? It's a happy, silly game. Well this track reminds me of it. It's a happy track, happy sequence, happy tunes. It ends side 1 like Force Majeure's last section. Not a bad one. 5. Phaseday Baumann's percussion is always very nice throughout the album. It has a nice tune and the middle section is almost silent, just percussion and some solo fragments. After the middle section the nice tune returns in a more orchestral, majestic form. It's a good track. 6. Meridian Moorland Heavy percussion with a bassline marks this track. Here Baumann meets TD again, using those voices from Ricochet. It reminds me of 3 AM in the Border of the Marsh from Okefenokee. It also has that little sound which appears on Encore, which sounds like a bird, a bit like Chris' eagle. A very nightly track. I think Baumann was trying to create a soundtrack for a night. The last track is called Dance at Dawn. 7. The Third Site This track brings the same theme from the beginning of the previous track, but now the melody is played in a flute, which makes it softer. It's like 5 AM, after a 3 AM. This reworking of an old theme is very interesting. The old theme and percussion fade to silence and after 4 silent seconds the track really begins. (hmm, I wonder if this is really the beginning of this track or this is the ending of the previous one which was glued here...) More Baumann percussion and sequence, with nice effects. Then a bassy fast sequence appears and a menacing theme is played in a loud synth. Very cool. The sequenced percussion sounds like some old Kraftwerk music. The theme makes me think of something from TD but I can't remember what it is. Unfortunately the music doesn't evolve much. There are variations of the theme, and near the end it sounds like an improvisation. There are also 2 pauses. This is a very good track but it could've been better. 8. Dance at Dawn Very majestic: African-ish drumming with fast percussion, begins with a trumpet theme (which I'm almost 100% sure it's a real trumpet), then a cheesy old organ is played, then old cheesy dark choral sounds are played, then flute with marching percussion, then the instruments are played together. One minute before the end the only cymbal in the whole album is played. The track ends with a dark cheesy choral being repeated, a little guitar sound in the background, then the choral and the guitar stops and only the ever present happy little sequence and the strong africanish drumming with fast percussion remain, and after a few seconds they suddenly stop. Excellent. Ended the album in a great way. This is a good album. A few tracks are brilliant, others can become boring after a few plays. My favourites are Chasing the Dream, Phaseday for the emotional tune, The Third Site for it's nervousness, and Dance of dawn for it's majesty. The album is very melodic with lots of percussion, and it has a very clear style. The tracks have different moods, although many times it's dark or nightly. The album title fits very well. I recommend this album to anyone who likes Stratosfear and Ricochet (just to give two examples). If I had togive a grade, it would be 8 out of 10. Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 12:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL > >> Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two Arcane >releases? I ask this because I found the first one weak, while I found >the second quite good. Also, why is ALTERSTILL a CD-R rather >than a CD? > -- Steven Feldman < I've not had the opportunity to write in before but must say that I was so excited my Herr Feldman's comments regarding Arcanes music....please Kommandant...tell us all exactly what you have been listening to recently that gives you the feeling that you can rubbish the best electronic albums since TD made a final effort with Underwater Sunlight? I get the horribly sad feeling that you are going to say Great Wall of China or/and Mars Polaris....... jack. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Pergamon' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 1:05 am Subject: SV: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Hi everyone Since the solo album by Edgar Froese is now in discussion, I decided to bring a little impression I wrote some time ago. I posted it back in 99 and here it is again. =) CONSCIOUSNESS The music begins, it starts out with a delicate tingle of sounds representing the beginning of summer. Nature is ALIVE, and has sprung out. Mother Earth sends ripples through the air, tingling with life. A long sequence of mother nature representing herselfs complexity, of sounds, life, strength, power etc., stuns me as I become aware of the energy surrounding me. The tension builds up, I can feel life surge through my body. suddenly I find myself floating as the rhythmic sequencers begins to play with each other. Playing ever so carefully with each other, trying not to disturb one another. Plains, fields, forests and mountains passes by beneath me. The air is clean, it gives me strength and clears my mind, and I become aware of life. The joy of just being, ripples through me. I slow down, enjoy the view and feels the energy surrounding me. I feel alive. My mind is almost exploding in joy. The sequencers intensify and I can feel life pounding in my breast. I halt my motion, and for a long time I just am. Nothing can disturb me, nothing can hurt me, I am only aware of being. The music slows down, I am becoming more relaxed. Suddenly the music becomes more dark, and I become aware of the powers of nature. A sudden storm take hold of me and throw me around. A lightning flashes and rain starts pouring down. I find myself awed by the fierce power of nature. As the storm gets hold of me and throws me around, I can feel the danger and my own mortality, but again it makes me feel alive. I draw from the powers of nature and regain control of my flight. The storm passes and the clouds disappear. The sun warms my body, and again I can feel the joy tingling inside of me. Here the sequencers starts their beautiful play with one another again. My mind explodes with joy and happiness, and I find myself a part of nature and life. Nature is me and I am nature. I am life and life is me. I can't get enough and I am in ecstasy. I can hear the tone of life and I follow it's beautiful dance. The sequencers grab hold of me and let's me ride on it's wave. I am one with the wave. after some time, the wave becomes more relaxed and beautiful strings fills me with energy. My mind is relaxed , but I am filled with energy, that only waits to be used. The music stops, but I am happy and ready to take on the world. Hope you enjoyed it =) Regards Jan From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 8:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Oddly I've not bought anything by them, or Dwellar At The Threshold, any thoughts on either? cheers Mark *Well I have some thoughts on Dweller but they're entirely subjective as I'm one of the founding members... ;-) It seems to me that the TD fans have seriously varying opinions as there were so many era's (The early Avante Garde.. the Virgin years ..the 'New Agey' style ...the techno style...) I think those who like the Virgin years would like Dweller at the Threshold.. Stratosfear is probably close to what we're doing... I'd recommend starting with our second album 'Generation, Transmission, Illumination' If you're interested.. There's a couple web sites too.... www.eurock.com (The label) and http://threshold.opb.org ( a slightly dated website.) If anyone is in the Northwest area we will be playing lots of gigs this summer... Keep your ear to the ground.... Last but not least I have a solo album called 'Appears to Vanish on the Neu Harmony label... check out some soundbites at www.synthmusicdirect.com. Peace, Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 9:33 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] Hej J.H. - Ikke dċrligt = not bad. Go' bedring :o) Poul > Hi everyone > > Since the solo album by Edgar Froese is now in discussion, I decided to > bring a little impression I wrote some time ago. I posted it back in 99 and > here it is again. =) > > CONSCIOUSNESS > > The music begins, it starts out with a delicate tingle of sounds > representing the beginning of summer. Nature is ALIVE, and has sprung > out. Mother Earth sends ripples through the air, tingling with life. > A long sequence of mother nature representing herselfs complexity, > of sounds, life, strength, power etc., stuns me as I become aware > of the energy surrounding me. The tension builds up, I can feel life > surge through my body. suddenly I find myself floating as the rhythmic > sequencers begins to play with each other. Playing ever so carefully with > each other, trying not to disturb one another. Plains, fields, forests > and mountains passes by beneath me. The air is clean, it gives me > strength and clears my mind, and I become aware of life. The joy of just > being, ripples through me. I slow down, enjoy the view and feels the > energy surrounding me. I feel alive. My mind is almost exploding in joy. > The sequencers intensify and I can feel life pounding in my breast. I halt > my motion, and for a long time I just am. Nothing can disturb me, nothing > can hurt me, I am only aware of being. The music slows down, I am becoming > more relaxed. Suddenly the music becomes more dark, and I become aware of > the powers of nature. A sudden storm take hold of me and throw me around. > A lightning flashes and rain starts pouring down. I find myself awed by the > fierce power of nature. As the storm gets hold of me and throws me around, > I can feel the danger and my own mortality, but again it makes me feel > alive. I draw from the powers of nature and regain control of my flight. > The storm passes and the clouds disappear. The sun warms my body, and again > I can feel the joy tingling inside of me. Here the sequencers starts their > beautiful play with one another again. My mind explodes with joy and > happiness, and I find myself a part of nature and life. Nature is me and I > am nature. I am life and life is me. I can't get enough and I am in > ecstasy. > I can hear the tone of life and I follow it's beautiful dance. The > sequencers > grab hold of me and let's me ride on it's wave. I am one with the wave. > after > some time, the wave becomes more relaxed and beautiful strings fills me > with > energy. My mind is relaxed , but I am filled with energy, that only waits > to > be used. The music stops, but I am happy and ready to take on the world. > > Hope you enjoyed it =) > > Regards > Jan > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Nigbur D Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 10:40 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? Are Emil and Zlatko still with TD, and if so, can they be considered full members of TD? Neither of them appear to contribute compositionally, so if Edgar leaves the addition of another member would be inevitable. I can't imagine Jerome wanting to do all the composing himself...the appeal of TD, after all, has always been the integration of the many different composers' ideas. Dennis > ---------- > From: Chris Owen[SMTP:Chris.Owen2@b...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 16 March 2001 02:50 > To: tadream Mailing List > Subject: [tadream] Future of TD?? > > With all the recent talk and speculation surrounding the fact that Edgar > might soon permanently pass over the TD reigns to Jerome, a couple of > points struck me concerning the version of TD we see on stage. > > 1. The proposed trilogy of concerts at various locations around the world. > It has been muted that it might take TD up to 2 years to complete this > trilogy. It must have been in the planning stages for a long while now, > and if that's the case, then surely Edgar would want to remain part of the > band to complete this project, especialy as it seems to be > classically-based. > > 2. Without Edgar, does anyone have any ideas on just how TD might plan to > present themselves on stage in the future? Just Jerome, Zlatco and Emil? A > new member to 'replace' Edgar? Trying to imagine TD on stage without him > is very difficult, particularly when to all intents and purposes, he is > Tangerine Dream! > > - Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Nigbur D Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 10:47 am Subject: RE: [tadream] D: [Solo] Dune - Klaus Schulze I like the first side of Dune - a classic Schulze piece if you ask me. The trouble is the second side, which just doesn't seem to excite me in any way. As far as the track Dune itself is concerned, however, I cannot see why some people find those lovely string-y textures and melodies boring. Yes, it does take a while to develop. But that is part of the appeal. We are so used these days to have things (and not just sounds and melodies) straight to us and in-your-face that maybe there isn't much of an audience for subtlety. Even KS's more recent stuff, from what I've heard, is a lot louder and more aggressive. Try the Royal Festival Hall concerts, though - veeeeeeery nice. Dennis > ---------- > From: Gustavo Jobim[SMTP:gustavfj@m...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 16 March 2001 00:06 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] D: [Solo] Dune - Klaus Schulze > > > >> Quite agree with this I find his music very boring I remember > >buying Dune the first album I got by him probably the worst EM I have > >ever listened too so bad I threw it out. > >Cheers Gary. > >Np.The Keep > > Ah! That was a very bad beginning. One year before, KS release one of his > best albums: X, a double classic album. One track, Friedmann Bach, is a > 10-minute long sequenced track that reminds me a lot of TD's sequencies. > > Dune is a boring album. I've even tried to like it, but it's very hard to > listen. It was inspired by Frank Herbert's Dune. The first track, Dune, is > atmospheric music. You really need to be in the mood for it. It can be > rewarding if you're patient, because it has a loong dark intro but it > after it it's a strangely beautiful slow, long track (half an hour!...). > But what's for some strangely beautiful, for others is just plain boring. > The second track, Shadows of Ignorance, is rhythmic, but the sequence and > rhythm never change and a long poem is 'rhythmicly recited' over it. Dune > is a very strange and hard album, and boring. That one hour can be better > spent with, for example, like I said, the first CD from the double album X > (which has also a half hour atmospheric very dark track). > > One thing interesting about KS's obsession with long tracks is that > sometimes they can be good for exploration; some tracks sound like a > soundtrack for walking in a vast desert (hey - that's Dune, isn't it?), or > exploring a rain forest, or wandering in deep space. I like those vast > ideas. > > np Gustavo Jobim - The Jupiter Rings (a little 12-minute long > improvisation, lots of atmospherics and in the middle section a nervous > feast of dissonant loud waaahs.It's very strange but I like it. :) The > last section can even be called 'beautiful', with atmospherics and a lot > of phasing. Kind of calm weather after a storm. The track has lots of > looong notes.) > > Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 11:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Edgar has been very good at picking the right guys for the job (Jerome is probably the only member that people would argue with). I guess if Edgar were to choose, I wonder who might be the canidate for his replacement. I would hope the classical tradition would continue and the new member would be trained in that manner. I tend to still think Jerome as being young, but he really isn't any more and I seem to think he wouldn't have such a tendency to turn TD into a techno band. I honestly don't know what is going to happen.. but a hint would be found on the Dream Mixes webpage.. as TD plans to release at least 2 more Dream Mixes albums in the future. Is this like the Zeit of the past? I could only hope such albums would lead to a more unified expressive sound that is TDs own and not just a bunch of music based off of rhythm presets and beats from machines that are used in real techno dance music. Greg H. NP: Super Metroid Orchestrated > Are Emil and Zlatko still with TD, and if so, can they be considered full > members of TD? Neither of them appear to contribute compositionally, so if > Edgar leaves the addition of another member would be inevitable. I can't > imagine Jerome wanting to do all the composing himself...the appeal of TD, > after all, has always been the integration of the many different composers' > ideas. > > Dennis From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 11:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? I don't know where the TD future will lead us, but if Edgar at some point in time doesn't want Tangerine Dream to continue I'm pretty sure that he will dissolve the band. He was the first group member 33+ years ago and I guess he will also be the last (whenever that may be, I hope not in 20+ years from now :-) Heiko From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 11:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Enjoy it while it lasts Hi > *Well I have some thoughts on Dweller but they're entirely subjective as I'm > one > of the founding members... ;-) It seems to me that the TD fans have seriously > varying opinions as there were so many era's (The early Avante Garde.. > the Virgin years ..the 'New Agey' style ...the techno style...) > I think those who like the Virgin years would like Dweller at the Threshold.. > Stratosfear is probably close to what we're doing... I'd recommend starting > with our second album 'Generation, Transmission, Illumination' If you're > interested.. Marvellous, I shall be sure to order. Once I've paid for the wallet denting 15 CDs I was tempted to buy from Synth Music Direct and Groove, damn them and their usefully indexed, lovely review, excellent lists of fantastic CDs. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 6:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:51:11 -0000 'Jack Kramer' writes: > >> Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two >>Arcane releases? I ask this because I found the first one >>weak, while I found the second quite good. Also, why is >>ALTERSTILL a CD-R rather than a CD? > >[. . .] please Kommandant...tell us all exactly what you have >been listening to recently that gives you the feeling that >you can rubbish the best electronic albums since TD made a >final effort with Underwater Sunlight? GATHER DARKNESS by Arcane FUTURE WRECK by Arcane THE DEMON HAUNTED WORLD by Under the Dome NODULAR by RAMP ATTRITION SYSYEM by Air Sculpture THUNDERHEAD by Air Sculpture EUROPA by Air Sculpture LIVE 9.16.98 by The Ministry of Inside Things THOUGHTS OF WAR by Mark Shreeve KNUTSWORTH IN MAY by Radio Massacre International ORGAN HARVEST by Radio Massacre International BEYOND THE GALAXY by Cosmic Hoffman GOLTRI: VOLUME ONE E-LIVE '99 [Air Sculpture, Spyra and Keller & Schonwalder] INVISIBLE SHADOWS UNRELEASED 'GIFT' TRACKS WARRIOR by Steve Jolliffe SONIC SEASONINGS by Wendy Carlos LIVE & UNRELEASED by Brainwork WIGSTOCK OST LOVE'S IN YOU, LOVE'S IN ME by Giorgio [Moroder] & Chris [Bennett] E=mc2 by Giorgio Moroder FOREVER DANCING by Giorgio Moroder DJ EMPIRE PRESENTS: A TRIBUTE TO GIORGIO MORODER AFTER THE FALL by Ganymede DARKLIGHT by Robert Carty THE DRIFT INSIDE by Vir Unis AEONIAN GLOW by Vir Unis > I get the horribly sad feeling that you are going to say >Great Wall of China or/and Mars Polaris....... Well, I like half of GREAT WALL OF CHINA a fair bit, and there are four tracks on MARS POLARIS that I flat out love. >jack. -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'As my wife says best, 'How many fricking TD CDs do you need? You can't possibly listen to them all!' Little does she know I do...' -- message posted to tadream by AslanFan1@a... on Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:22:54 EDT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 3:01 pm Subject: sols artist to discuss Shouldn't there be a comprehensive list of TD members past and present so that we can discuss solo works? examples of artists (not comprehensive) Peter Baumann Michael Hoenig Steve Jolliffe Klaus Schulze Johannes Schmoelling Conrad Schnitzler Edgar Froese Christopher Franke Jerome Froese Paul Haslinger Kurt Herkenberg Klaus Krieger Linda Spa Charles Adams Prince Ralph Wadephul Steve Schroeder Lanse Hapshash Volker Hombach ... And what do you mean by solo? only non-collaborative works or collaborative works? what about?: hoenig: early water (w/ m. gottsching) not solo? franke agitation free (franke/hoenig et al) not solo? (send me your tapes) star sounds orchestra not solo? (send me your tapes) KS 50 disc set not solo? haslinger/baumann's blue room not solo? looks like this output can very well eclipse TD..... --tb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26479 Re: sols artist to discuss Roger Hartopp Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 4:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? >From: Nigbur D >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:40:53 -0000 > >Are Emil and Zlatko still with TD, and if so, can they be considered full >members of TD? Neither of them appear to contribute compositionally, so if >Edgar leaves the addition of another member would be inevitable. I can't >imagine Jerome wanting to do all the composing himself...the appeal of TD, >after all, has always been the integration of the many different composers' >ideas. No offense, but TD hasn't had the 'integration of many different composers' ideas' since 1987. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 6:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > Edgar has been very good at picking the right guys for the job (Jerome is > probably the only member that people would argue with and yet when people talk about the only tracks they like on the new TD albums , they mostly mention the tracks that Jerome wrote . Eds sections and style have remained the same since time began so there`s no problems knowing which bits to fast forward . Jerome (techno style aside , although i dont mind it) is in my opinion the only driving force behind TD . He can actually write melodies and structured chord sequences etc .Only problem is , is that he doesn`t do it too often , and Ed just noodles like a mad old woman . I`m guessing that star trooper will be nothing more than the kind of classical covers found on Ambient Monkeys. In other words , playing the piano score on bad orchestral keyboard sounds . I hope he proves me wrong . Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26481 Re: Future of TD?? Roger Hartopp Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 2:30 pm Subject: 'younger groups' someone wrote >RedShit ha ha ha ha ha --tb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: gmroger@p... Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 8:30 pm Subject: Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten Votes for the Eddy & Jerry top ten will close on April 6, and the results posted here on the 7th. That same evening I will broadcast the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten on the programme but I hold little chance that the show will be successfully broadcast on the internet, so I'll publish a transcript of the programme later. thanks to those who have voted so far: Bert Hulshoff Heiko Heerssen Peter Ravn J. Gordon Rolf Elfstrom Utch Entel Brian Stewart Sean Montgomery Steven Feldman Gary Jenkins Joe Shoults James E. Jacoby Uwe Heiko Neumann Daniel Hobrecht Bob (pw098) Poul Erik Piotr S. Millenium Frank Arellano Morgan Lawry Simm James Owens Sean A. Bennett Colin Anderson Thomas Bertilsson Steve Yensen Rimas Lazutka Marion Olle Rundgren Michal Moroz Koulos Kostas Antonio Nunes Daniel (quarlie) David Foster Greg (designx) If any of you cast votes that appeared in Digest 828, for some reason that didn't make it here so I'll have to check on their faster computer at the radio station. If you've voted but don't see your name on this list, then post it again and we'll include it. I wish I could offer a prize as an incentive. It would have been a neat idea. There are still a few votes to be cast, and here's the state of play so far: 1 Mars Polaris (94 points from 27 votes cast) 2 Oasis (65/21) 3 Goblins' Club (58.5/20) 4 Dream Mixes (57/18) 5 220 Volt (56/19) 6 Timesquare (52/17) 7 What A Blast! (32/9) 8 Tournado (19/8) 9 Valentine Wheels (15/7) 10 The Seven Letters From Tibet (15/5) 11 Quinoa (14/6) 12 Tyranny of Beauty (13/5) 13 Rockoon (13/4) 14 Turn of the Tides (12.5/5) 15 The Great Wall of China (12/5) 16 Transsiberia (7/4) 17 Ambient Monkeys (7/2) 18 Rumplestiltskin (5/2) 19 Zoning (5/1) 20 Hollywood Years Vol 1 (3/!) 21 Hollywood Years Vol 2 (0/0) Dream Dice scored 3 points even though it's an EP, and 'DM 3' even got 2 points despite the fact it's not yet released. (I know, I know. Most of it is already on the 12' discs.) So there's still a clear runaway leader, but it's interesting to note how the many more votes the first six have cast, and how tight it is regards 3, 4, 5, and 6. Valentine Wheels sneaks ahead of 'Seven Letters' on the basis that seven folks cast votes for this disc whilst five only for the latter. And Ambient Monkeys isn't the least disliked Eddy & Jerry album. Nobody seems to like the Hollywood Years... Cast your votes if you haven't already done so... Roger Hartopp -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26480 Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten É. Rocho Fri 3/16/2001 2 KB 26493 Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten Frank Arellano Sat 3/17/2001 2 KB 26494 Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten Ody Sat 3/17/2001 2 KB 26632 Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten Roger Hartopp Fri 3/30/2001 2 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 9:24 pm Subject: Re: sols artist to discuss --- In tadream@y..., 'tei waz' wrote: > Shouldn't there be a comprehensive list of TD members past and present > so that we can discuss solo works? Okay, let's be sensible about this one. I suggest we go by what can be regarded as those artists that truly made a long-term contribution to the band's output and as a member, so on this basis we go for the following: Edgar Froese Chris Franke Peter Baumann Johannes Schmoelling Paul Haslinger Jerome Froese There. That narrows it down a bit. especially as our Jerome hasn't released anything yet... Roger From: É. Rochon Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 9:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten Here's my contribution 1 Mars Polaris 2 220 Volt 3 Timesquare 4 Tournado 5 Zoning Éric From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 16, 2001 9:37 pm Subject: Re: Future of TD?? I remeber posting a while back my thoughts as regards Jerome and that he should now be running the TD ship. I have to admit though, Edgar is TD. Maybe it would be better to end the band when he eventually opts for retirement. Then again, should Jerome take the reins, maybe he should ask Chris (little chance), Peter (still playing golf) or Paul (the most likely bet) to rejoin. But only if the album is recorded in Los Angeles. BUT PLEASE!!! NOT ZLATKO!!! Roger From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 12:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] pop composers classical music TD vehicle << right, like covering pachelbel's canon..... bleah, a horrible cover by virtually every newage group that were around. >> I tend to agree with you, but there are a few good 'New Age' albums out there that do listenable renditions of classical music. 'A Different Prelude' on the Decca label is probably the best collection of this sort that I have ever heard, far better than the Windham Hill collections on 'The Romantics' and 'The Impressionists.' The prelude album has folks like Phillip Suisse, Tim Story, Steve Erquiaga, Patrick O'Hearn, and others doing lots of Bach, Wagner, Chopin, Debussy, and a Satie piece. The Patrick O'Hearn rendition of the prelude from Bach's 'Cello Suite No. 1' is absolutely beautiful, by far the best piece I've ever heard by O'Hearn. Another listenable CD is Windham Hill's 'Rennaissance' album, which has a wonderful Michael Hedges 'Fantasia' that my mother-in-law (a musicologist specializing in early keyboard music) plays as one of her harpsichord concert pieces. And lets not forget the early work of King Crimson and Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, who covered pieces by Bartok, Janacek, and a host of others, often uncredited. It isn't bad stuff! Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: colin_anderson@e... Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 12:36 am Subject: DM3 and TD Naffness Following on from some recent comments on what td are doing these days, here's my tcw: Despite the fact that td are my favourite band - have been since the late 70s - I've nearly always found what they've done has had a whiff of naffness. I put it down to things like the nonsensical lp and track titles, dodgy artwork, music that was well out of place with other music of the times, the hiding-behind-black-netting-at-shows and the whole 'we don't wanna be commercial, man' thing. They've always tried to be sort of mysterious and avant garde in the belief that it'd make them cool, but in doing so have been uncool. It's the same now. Although I'm a huge DM fan (for me in a lot of respects it overtakes the early 80s stuff) I've got a big problem with the concept - it was done waaaaaaay too late. I remember thinking at the time DM1 was released 'jeez - this is just brilliant (for td) but they should have made it sound tougher, done it 5 years ago, really gone out and plugged it and shoved their critics noses right in it'. And here we are now, attempting to do just that with DM3, only the idea is losing the uniqueness (for td) it had and we're being brain-washed into believing the whole DM thing is a huge success. As either Sean or Morgan said, we don't exactly see DMs in the dance n techno top 20 racks in the local record store, or at least not here in Australia. DM1 was THE chance to make critics sit up and take notice and attract a new audience, DM2 was the second squandered chance and DM3 - judging by the pre-release of Mengtian - is just lame and for the DM completists like me. A thousand bucks on the table - play Mengtian to your average person and they'd say it was 'nice'. Another thousand bucks on the table - bet you Edgar and Jerome think it's 'cutting edge'. Starship Trooper - another concept that belongs to another time - is another example of just not sussing it out. Ok, artist's prerogative and all that, but the ST thing has been done before and it'll do nothing to develop the profile of the band and maintain it's so-called infleuntial effect on music in general. Get real, Edgar. But then again, maybe I've missed the point of the td naffness - inherent or deliberate - all along. Maybe it IS cool to have a 57 year-old guy and his 30 year-old son side-by-side doing lightweight- quasi-dance tracks and classic reworks that are miles behind their time. Thanks for listening, folks np: DM3 Mengtian - to see if I can be convinced that it's cool. Finished playing now. It's.....nice. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26486 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Feldon Feldon Sat 3/17/2001 2 KB 26487 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Greg Sat 3/17/2001 3 KB 26488 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness glynn_naughton@h... Sat 3/17/2001 3 KB 26505 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Sean Montgomery Sat 3/17/2001 3 KB 26567 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness j.gordon Thu 3/22/2001 2 KB 26570 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Sean Montgomery Thu 3/22/2001 3 KB 26573 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Frank Arellano Thu 3/22/2001 4 KB 26575 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Nigbur D Fri 3/23/2001 5 KB 26609 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Feldon Feldon Sun 3/25/2001 3 KB From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 2:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Dennis: > Are Emil and Zlatko still with TD, and if so, can they be considered full > members of TD? Neither of them appear to contribute compositionally, so if > Edgar leaves the addition of another member would be inevitable. I can't > imagine Jerome wanting to do all the composing himself...the appeal of TD, > after all, has always been the integration of the many different composers' > ideas. If you could have your pick of anyone out there doing EM music today, who would you pick to join Jerome when/if Edgar retires? Just curious... Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 4:20 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Future of TD?? Deborah, > If you could have your pick of anyone out there doing EM music today, who > would you pick to join Jerome when/if Edgar retires? I know you didnt ask me, but let me jump in and suggest some potential coworkers for Jerome: Victor Cerullo Craig Padilla Fin (all these are pretty unknown but very good and would add something new to TD) Michel Geiss (JMJs former assistant - an excellent engineer in the studio) Karl Bartos (ex Kraftwerk) Anne Dudley (Art of Noise) Michiel van der Key (of Laserdance, Koto and Synthech) Chris Carter (of Chris & Cosey) These are pretty much politically incorrect (in a musical sense) suggestions but if you want collaborators, you cant get better ones than those who are different from you. Glenn www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.jmjfkn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 1:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DM3 and TD Naffness >From: colin_anderson@e... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] DM3 and TD Naffness >Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:36:31 -0000 > >np: DM3 Mengtian - to see if I can be convinced that it's cool. >Finished playing now. It's.....nice. You know the criterion I use to judge TD music? Whether or not I could create its nuance and feeling myself. I can't recreate the first 40 seconds. That's pure TD. The other 7 minutes I think I probably could. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Greg' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 9:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DM3 and TD Naffness I find it funny when I listen to TD create techno music... tonight I went out to the club.. I think many of you are familiar with Eminem AKA Slim Shady.. I really do hate that music.. anyway there was a remix of that with the backdrop of the rapping on something the Backstreet Boys or one of the girl bands would conjure - same lyrics, but a beat and style totally out of context with what the artist created. It was plain awful as it seems like it was almost making fun of the artist. I know that is pop music and it's a different world, but when I listen to TD, I hear a complexity and style that is unfitting for techno. I honestly hear that partitioning of style - and sure one might classify DM as Intelligent Dance Music.. which if many of you don't know, is a category that does exist somewhere, but I don't know any artists offhand. It's a pity though that TD markets this music to clubs, as I foresee a time when plays and theatricals derived from the young minds of today will use this kind of music, and those people will need music with emotional content. TD also scores well with videos that want beat heavy music.. hey that's great as many of you like Architecture in Motion/What a Blast. What TD did with rock music, they are trying to do with techno music - take it to a step higher as an artform uninfluenced by cultural fads. But can they blur the borders and take it to the next logical step, or are the ideas dry, and maybe it will be in the hands of another person, another band. Greg H. NP: Computer Fan > >np: DM3 Mengtian - to see if I can be convinced that it's cool. > >Finished playing now. It's.....nice. > > You know the criterion I use to judge TD music? Whether or not I could > create its nuance and feeling myself. > > I can't recreate the first 40 seconds. That's pure TD. The other 7 minutes I > think I probably could. > > -Morgan From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 11:25 am Subject: Re: DM3 and TD Naffness >From: colin_anderson@e... >Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 0:36am >Subject: DM3 and TD Naffness > > >Following on from some recent comments on what td are doing these >days, here's my tcw: > >Despite the fact that td are my favourite band - have been since the >late 70s - I've nearly always found what they've done has had a >whiff >of naffness. I put it down to things like the nonsensical lp and >track titles, dodgy artwork, music that was well out of place with >other music of the times, the hiding-behind-black-netting-at-shows >and the whole 'we don't wanna be commercial, man' thing. They've >always tried to be sort of mysterious and avant garde in the belief >that it'd make them cool, but in doing so have been uncool. I've always thought of it as their 'bad taste blind spot', but it's always been part of their charm for me. It still amazes me that in 1987 they could countenance making an album of William Blake poetry done in the same style as those dreadful songs that Shirley Bassey used to sing on 'Sunday Night at the Royal Palladium'-style shows back in the tacky 'ole 70s ('Tyger') or spoken in the manner of an over-serious teenager trying to put some drama into a poetry recital ('London'). Then again, I've a sneaking admiration for the early 90s incarnation of TD (a grumpy old bloke and his fat son together with some friends with ripped leather jackets and Marhsall amplifiers all pretending to be Guns 'n' Roses). Surreal or wot? Certainly my friends at the time who knew about TD but were not fans thought that it was hilarious - a sort of bizarre German pantomime. Glynn From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL Do you actually enjoy a lot of these other albums? I ask because given your thoughts on Arcane and then considering your playlist (many of which I consider to be amateurish at best) I have to wonder at your reasoning, particularly as you claim also to like Great Wall of China and the slightly less awful Mars Polaris. What is it that makes people buy TD these days I wonder?....brains clouded by nostalgia perhaps? Jack - currently holding my head under iced water with my hair wrapped in tinfoil reciting the phrase 'it's only an album, it's only an album, it's only an album' whilst listening to Gold Tri Volume 1....the aliens will be coming soon....I can feel it....and they will all look like Arcane..... >From: scfeldman@j... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:57:23 -0500 > >On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:51:11 -0000 'Jack Kramer' > writes: > > > >> Is ALTERSTILL a logical progression from the first two > >>Arcane releases? I ask this because I found the first one > >>weak, while I found the second quite good. Also, why is > >>ALTERSTILL a CD-R rather than a CD? > > > >[. . .] please Kommandant...tell us all exactly what you have > >been listening to recently that gives you the feeling that > >you can rubbish the best electronic albums since TD made a > >final effort with Underwater Sunlight? > >GATHER DARKNESS by Arcane >FUTURE WRECK by Arcane >THE DEMON HAUNTED WORLD by Under the Dome >NODULAR by RAMP >ATTRITION SYSYEM by Air Sculpture >THUNDERHEAD by Air Sculpture >EUROPA by Air Sculpture >LIVE 9.16.98 by The Ministry of Inside Things >THOUGHTS OF WAR by Mark Shreeve >KNUTSWORTH IN MAY by Radio Massacre International >ORGAN HARVEST by Radio Massacre International >BEYOND THE GALAXY by Cosmic Hoffman >GOLTRI: VOLUME ONE >E-LIVE '99 [Air Sculpture, Spyra and Keller & Schonwalder] >INVISIBLE SHADOWS UNRELEASED 'GIFT' TRACKS >WARRIOR by Steve Jolliffe >SONIC SEASONINGS by Wendy Carlos >LIVE & UNRELEASED by Brainwork >WIGSTOCK OST >LOVE'S IN YOU, LOVE'S IN ME by Giorgio [Moroder] & Chris [Bennett] >E=mc2 by Giorgio Moroder >FOREVER DANCING by Giorgio Moroder >DJ EMPIRE PRESENTS: A TRIBUTE TO GIORGIO MORODER >AFTER THE FALL by Ganymede >DARKLIGHT by Robert Carty >THE DRIFT INSIDE by Vir Unis >AEONIAN GLOW by Vir Unis > > > I get the horribly sad feeling that you are going to say > >Great Wall of China or/and Mars Polaris....... > > Well, I like half of GREAT WALL OF CHINA a fair bit, and >there are four tracks on MARS POLARIS that I flat out love. > > >jack. > > -- Steven Feldman >+ + + + + + + >'As my wife says best, 'How many fricking TD CDs do you need? You can't >possibly listen to them all!' Little does she know I do...' -- message >posted to tadream by AslanFan1@a... on Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:22:54 EDT > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 1:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? > > >From: Nigbur D > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? > >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:40:53 -0000 > > > >Are Emil and Zlatko still with TD, and if so, can they be considered full > >members of TD? Neither of them appear to contribute compositionally, so >if Just because they don't contribute compositionally doesn't mean to say that they're not in TD ...I mean look at Edgar and Jerome! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 1:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? I'd pick Dave Law of SMD for his Edgar style business acumen or maybe Stephen Hawkings for his Edgar like keyboard skills, or ideally perhaps both of them could join and form a threesome with Jerome.... and if they get a break they could write music too....failing this I'd go for Rolf Harris and his stylaphone...oh, hang on they don't do EM music do they...so in that case I'd have to say I'd like to see that famous cardboard cut-out of Chris Franke that appeared on all the TD albums get a chance to do some stuff. jack >From: 'Deborah Johnson' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:37:07 -0500 > > >If you could have your pick of anyone out there doing EM music today, who >would you pick to join Jerome when/if Edgar retires? > >Just curious... > >Deb H-J >drbjohn@e... > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 2:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL HI > Do you actually enjoy a lot of these other albums? I ask because given your > thoughts on Arcane and then considering your playlist (many of which I > consider to be amateurish at best) I have to wonder at your reasoning, > particularly as you claim also to like Great Wall of China and the slightly > less awful Mars Polaris. What is it that makes people buy TD these days I > wonder?....brains clouded by nostalgia perhaps? Not that it was my list but who is it you consider to be amateurish? Recent TD or the likes of Under The Dome, Arcane, Radio Massacre International, Air Sculpture, Vir Unis etc. To call any of those amateurish would be suprising, each of those is fantastic in their own right for me. Just because someone is a TD fan doesn't make them a fan of electronic music in general and often fans ears are closed to other EM artists. This is not a problem for anyone, only in that we shouldn't assume that because something is TD, or has been influenced by it, it is therefore bad. If this was the case the only rock music would ever have been is Robert Johnson. I'm sure you get my drift. Listening as I did last night to Arcane's new CD 'Aftersitill', a round up of newish and old live tracks and to Radio Massacre International's 'Republic', I think these artists are out there trying to push back the boundaries and carry on the EM tradition, doing wonderful work and making truly excellent music whereas much of TD's work in the last 15 years has been routine and average at best which occasional glimpses of their previous best selves. Obviousy musical choice is a personal thing and subject to being engaged on some level we don't quite understand. Therefore this isn't intended to decry your thoughts, only to offer an alternative view point. cheers Mark N.P. Chris Franke - The London Concert _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 3:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten Roger, the one's I see you're missing are Mathew Sawyer's and Paul Lawler's. Here's Mathew's : 1. Dream Encores [Wasn't on your list though] 2. What A Blast 3.Timesquare 4. Mars Polaris 5. Sony Topping Center [Wasn't on your list either] Paul's 1. Seven Letter's Of Tibet 2. Seven Letter's Of Tibet 3. Seven Letter's Of Tibet 4. Seven Letter's Of Tibet 5. Seven Letter's Of Tibet Just Kidding, Paul :-D Okay......., here they are :-( Goblin's Club Oasis Rockoon Timesquare Valentine Wheels No particular order on Paul's Of course, Eric Rochon and Dennis Nigbur just posted theirs. Let me know if you didn't get theirs, Roger. Dreamers, From: 'Ody' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 3:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten Hi! Here's my top5 list: 1. Mars Polaris 2. Seven Letters From Tibet 3. Great Wall Of China 4. What a Blast 5. Goblins Club NP: Depeche Mode : Exciter Ody M. From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 3:28 pm Subject: Re: Sols artists to discuss Roger, What criteria are you using to evaluate 'long-term contribution' to TD's musical success? :-) Cordially, Dave Kaufman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26544 Re: Sols artists to discuss DAVKAUFMAN@a... Tue 3/20/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 4:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL Hey Mark, I've been meaning to tell you that you should carry your butt over to beyond_em @yahoogroups where we discuss many of those EM groups / artist's works. Many of these artist's are on the list themselves. There's a few of us from here that are also there. You'd enjoy yourself there. It's also good to see that Mr. Feldman's mind isn't as shallow, I mean narrow, as some would have believed :-D Perhaps you would enjoy it there too, Steve. Mind you, there's no room for anyone to be carted off [wheels squeaking] in a straight jacket! At the moment they're all being occupied, the straight jacket's that is :-) Beware that TD does take a bashing from time to time :-D Oh....., no different than here. :-) Well, maybe a little more brutal over there :-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Coyle' To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL > HI > > > Do you actually enjoy a lot of these other albums? I ask because given your > > thoughts on Arcane and then considering your playlist (many of which I > > consider to be amateurish at best) I have to wonder at your reasoning, > > particularly as you claim also to like Great Wall of China and the slightly > > less awful Mars Polaris. What is it that makes people buy TD these days I > > wonder?....brains clouded by nostalgia perhaps? > > Not that it was my list but who is it you consider to be amateurish? Recent TD or > the likes of Under The Dome, Arcane, Radio Massacre International, Air Sculpture, Vir > Unis etc. To call any of those amateurish would be suprising, each of those is > fantastic in their own right for me. Just because someone is a TD fan doesn't make > them a fan of electronic music in general and often fans ears are closed to other EM > artists. This is not a problem for anyone, only in that we shouldn't assume that > because something is TD, or has been influenced by it, it is therefore bad. If this > was the case the only rock music would ever have been is Robert Johnson. I'm sure > you get my drift. > > Listening as I did last night to Arcane's new CD 'Aftersitill', a round up of newish > and old live tracks and to Radio Massacre International's 'Republic', I think these > artists are out there trying to push back the boundaries and carry on the EM > tradition, doing wonderful work and making truly excellent music whereas much of TD's > work in the last 15 years has been routine and average at best which occasional > glimpses of their previous best selves. > > Obviousy musical choice is a personal thing and subject to being engaged on some > level we don't quite understand. Therefore this isn't intended to decry your > thoughts, only to offer an alternative view point. > > cheers > Mark > > N.P. Chris Franke - The London Concert > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL Hi > Hey Mark, I've been meaning to tell you that you should carry your butt over > to beyond_em @yahoogroups where we discuss many of those EM groups / > artist's works. Many of these artist's are on the list themselves. There's a > few of us from here that are also there. You'd enjoy yourself there. Ohh I'll check it out. I'm in a load of other electronic groups including Electronic@yahoogroups.com Indeed I was posting only last night. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL You probably missed the original comment that I replied where the person who wrote the list proclaimed Gather Darkness to be 'weak' and Future Wreck to be only 'quite good'. Two comments that I completely disagree with. I was then surprised to see them on his current playlist and so wondered if he actually liked the other stuff on his list which in my opinion varied wildly in quality. For instance I would not rate Under the Dome in the same breath as Arcane or RMI..although I appreciate their efforts. I also see that you agree with my view on TD's music of the past 15 years....so perhaps you are not offering so much of an alternate viewpoint after all but merely misunderstanding the thread? jack >From: 'Mark Coyle' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] ALTERSTILL >Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:39:14 -0000 > >HI > > > Do you actually enjoy a lot of these other albums? I ask because given >your > > thoughts on Arcane and then considering your playlist (many of which I > > consider to be amateurish at best) I have to wonder at your reasoning, > > particularly as you claim also to like Great Wall of China and the >slightly > > less awful Mars Polaris. What is it that makes people buy TD these days >I > > wonder?....brains clouded by nostalgia perhaps? > >Not that it was my list but who is it you consider to be amateurish? >Recent TD or >the likes of Under The Dome, Arcane, Radio Massacre International, Air >Sculpture, Vir >Unis etc. To call any of those amateurish would be suprising, each of >those is >fantastic in their own right for me. Just because someone is a TD fan >doesn't make >them a fan of electronic music in general and often fans ears are closed to >other EM >artists. This is not a problem for anyone, only in that we shouldn't >assume that >because something is TD, or has been influenced by it, it is therefore bad. > If this >was the case the only rock music would ever have been is Robert Johnson. >I'm sure >you get my drift. > >Listening as I did last night to Arcane's new CD 'Aftersitill', a round up >of newish >and old live tracks and to Radio Massacre International's 'Republic', I >think these >artists are out there trying to push back the boundaries and carry on the >EM >tradition, doing wonderful work and making truly excellent music whereas >much of TD's >work in the last 15 years has been routine and average at best which >occasional >glimpses of their previous best selves. > >Obviousy musical choice is a personal thing and subject to being engaged on >some >level we don't quite understand. Therefore this isn't intended to decry >your >thoughts, only to offer an alternative view point. > >cheers >Mark > >N.P. Chris Franke - The London Concert > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Dont forget , there`s always room for ED in the Village people now that the biker blokle is dead . http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Kramer To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > I'd pick Dave Law of SMD for his Edgar style business acumen or maybe > Stephen Hawkings for his Edgar like keyboard skills, or ideally perhaps both > of them could join and form a threesome with Jerome.... and if they get a > break they could write music too....failing this I'd go for Rolf Harris and > his stylaphone...oh, hang on they don't do EM music do they...so in that > case I'd have to say I'd like to see that famous cardboard cut-out of Chris > Franke that appeared on all the TD albums get a chance to do some stuff. > jack > > > >From: 'Deborah Johnson' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:37:07 -0500 > > > > > >If you could have your pick of anyone out there doing EM music today, who > >would you pick to join Jerome when/if Edgar retires? > > > >Just curious... > > > >Deb H-J > >drbjohn@e... > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ > >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > >Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 6:02 pm Subject: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... Hi > You probably missed the original comment that I replied where the person who > wrote the list proclaimed Gather Darkness to be 'weak' and Future Wreck to > be only 'quite good'. Two comments that I completely disagree with. I was > then surprised to see them on his current playlist and so wondered if he > actually liked the other stuff on his list which in my opinion varied wildly > in quality. For instance I would not rate Under the Dome in the same breath > as Arcane or RMI..although I appreciate their efforts. I also see that you > agree with my view on TD's music of the past 15 years....so perhaps you are > not offering so much of an alternate viewpoint after all but merely > misunderstanding the thread? Ah I see, yes I understand the point now. As the list is quiet I thought I'd keep things moving along a bit! I think there have been TD flashes but if you collect EM then some of the TD releases pale beside them. For example the two scorching albums of lead guitar led power synths by Walter Holland are absolute dynamite that I'm sure most TD fans would appreciate (once jaws have been picked up). I really want TD to be at their peak but like most bands, it is unlikely to happen. I understand their desire to move forward and not be hostages to their past but I prefer to see it more as a lineage or heritage than a legacy. Just listened to Purple Waves by Franke off the London Concert, it's very good. In fact it's hard to tell from TD apart form being 'cleaner' and with more digital keyboards (including subtle electric piano). When he lets off the sync-ed pitch-bended melody at the end I keep thinking of the same sound doing a similar thing on Logos (which I love and people seem to think is a bit weak, there again it was my first TD). cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26502 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Frank Arellano Sat 3/17/2001 5 KB 26506 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Jack Kramer Sat 3/17/2001 6 KB 26508 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Marcel Engels Sun 3/18/2001 2 KB 26514 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Jack Kramer Sun 3/18/2001 3 KB 26515 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Marcel Engels Sun 3/18/2001 3 KB 26521 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Feldon Feldon Mon 3/19/2001 4 KB 26539 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Jack Kramer Mon 3/19/2001 5 KB 26568 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... j.gordon Thu 3/22/2001 4 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 7:57 pm Subject: D: Solo [Klaus Schulze - Royal Festival Hall Vol.1] Yes, Dune title track is really beautiful, strangely beautiful as I said. But it's hard to listen. The same goes for Royal Festival Hall Vol.1. When I decided to go and hunt KS music, I went to a store which rents music CDs, VHS, DVD, videogames etc., and the only KS CD they had was Royal Fest. Hall Vol.1. They had also some 10 TD CDs, all of which I rented and copied for me (I know, it's a sin, but I don't have much money and back in early 2000 I was very hungry for TD albums. Someday I'll certainly buy the originals.) The Royal Festival Hall CDs, a double CD set, vol.1 and 2 sold separately (AFAIK), are very interesting. Each of the CDs has half of the concert, 40 minutes of music, plus a 20 minute studio piece composed in the same year, and the same style. Here's what I can say about vol.1, which is what I have and was my first KS cd (actually cd-r). The CD, like Dune, is hard to listen. I took several listens to really enjoy it. It's one of the CDs from KS's sampling period, so it has lots of samples, and some are used a lot. It opens with a very, very hard, slow intro, perfectly called 'Out of Limbo', full of creepy vocal sounds, percussion sounds, samples, and not a single melody line or rhythm. The music slowly gets more tense, with more screams, voices and sounds, and then suddenly, 7 minutes after the beginning, the melody begins, with a lovely, soft piano, in the section called 'Pastorale'. Then also a low pulsating sound comes, and it is the only constant sound for a long time, until the final section of 'Pastorale and Departure'. At 12'26' the pulse gets darker and faster, in the 1-minute long section called Lull Before The Storm. Then 'Tempest' comes, the choral pulse changes again and long guitar-ish notes are played. At 16'29' begins 'Pastorale Too', which is followed by 'Pastoral and Departure'. Then at 24'33', begins the climax of this track, Yearning, a nervous 6 minute long section with lots of percussion and vocal sounds. Then the track, called 'Yen', slowly dies, with 'Placid Yen', then 'The Breath of Life', and finally ends like it began, with 'Back to Limbo'. The almost total lack of strong themes, the chaotic nature of the track with all those samples of voices, bird sounds, screams and other sounds and its very slow development and progression, with beginning, development, climax and conclusion makes 'Yen' a fascinating track. 'Silence and Sequence' is the 25 minute studio track recorded in this CD. It begins with 'Perigee', a sample feast, with samples of percussion, people saying unindentified things or just nonsense, and many other different samples. At around 3 minutes begins a low synth background and the samples get more silent until there's just the background. The background begins to become a slow melody of long notes. 'Gentle Wind', the next section is presented by a nice bass sound slowly playing a very Schulzean melody, soft choral sounds (just two chords being repeated one after the another) and bird samples. Then suddenly the key and tempo are changed, and a very nice pulsating music is formed, with lots of string and choral sounds, while the bass sound continues to be played the same way. Suddenly begins 'Fire-Riser', a masterfully played sequence, heavy in percussion, the best 7 minutes of the CD. It's really a fantastic sequence, dare I say better than many sequences TD have done in their golden days. It reminds me a bit of Silver Scale, one TD's best sequence-based tracks. This CD is worth buying just for this sequence.As quickly as it began, at 11'54', it ends at 19'14', and the last section, more silent than the intro, 'Clear Water' is played. The sections titles really help to describe the music. Someone asked for a map for the 90s Schulze albums. I heartily recommend this great album. I've never heard Vol.2 but it must be good too. But for some people it can be quite boring. You just have to set your mind frequencies to the slow development of Yen. The first time I played it I thought it was terribly long and mostly boring, but now I think it's a bit short and fascinating. GJ np Fire-Riser (near the end, got the not-so-often played CD-R to write this post) >As far as the track Dune itself is concerned, however, I cannot see why some >people find those lovely string-y textures and melodies boring. Yes, it does >take a while to develop. But that is part of the appeal. >Try the Royal Festival Hall concerts, though - veeeeeeery nice. >Dennis Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 7:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... The person who proclaimed Arcane's first one to be 'weak' I believe was none other than our very own Mr. Feldman. I also just wanted to express my opinion that Under The Dome's release I thought was quite good, atleast equal to Arcane's releases. One other group whose name seems to be omitted from this list of similar vein would be Can Atilla. Never heard of Walter Holland. What specific rec's can you make and can you expound on his style or make references ? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Coyle' To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... > Hi > > > You probably missed the original comment that I replied where the person who > > wrote the list proclaimed Gather Darkness to be 'weak' and Future Wreck to > > be only 'quite good'. Two comments that I completely disagree with. I was > > then surprised to see them on his current playlist and so wondered if he > > actually liked the other stuff on his list which in my opinion varied wildly > > in quality. For instance I would not rate Under the Dome in the same breath > > as Arcane or RMI..although I appreciate their efforts. I also see that you > > agree with my view on TD's music of the past 15 years....so perhaps you are > > not offering so much of an alternate viewpoint after all but merely > > misunderstanding the thread? > > Ah I see, yes I understand the point now. As the list is quiet I thought I'd keep > things moving along a bit! > > I think there have been TD flashes but if you collect EM then some of the TD releases > pale beside them. For example the two scorching albums of lead guitar led power > synths by Walter Holland are absolute dynamite that I'm sure most TD fans would > appreciate (once jaws have been picked up). I really want TD to be at their peak but > like most bands, it is unlikely to happen. I understand their desire to move > forward and not be hostages to their past but I prefer to see it more as a lineage or > heritage than a legacy. > > Just listened to Purple Waves by Franke off the London Concert, it's very good. In > fact it's hard to tell from TD apart form being 'cleaner' and with more digital > keyboards (including subtle electric piano). When he lets off the sync-ed > pitch-bended melody at the end I keep thinking of the same sound doing a similar > thing on Logos (which I love and people seem to think is a bit weak, there again it > was my first TD). > > cheers > Mark > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 8:24 pm Subject: Re: Walter Holland Hi >Never heard of Walter > Holland. What specific rec's can you make and can you expound on his style > or make references ? He made two albums, The Transience Of Love and Relativity which are what would have to be called, synth-rock. There are banks of analogue sequencing but married to a hard, pounding rock beat and propulsive bass, over the top is some of the most sorching lead I've heard, very Gottsching or Frose. It's all woven together in an energetic production that makes it really exciting. I think there's one other album but it's more soundtracky as opposed to these. I'll be happy to make an MP3/RA file of a sample track if wanted. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 8:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Deborah Johnson wrote: > > If you could have your pick of anyone out there doing EM music today, who > would you pick to join Jerome when/if Edgar retires? I'll bite. This looks like a fun exercise... My suggestions would be, by alphabetical order: Marcel Engels Paul Lawler Peter Mergener Grant Middleton Andy Pickford -- Jorge Figueiredo From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 10:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness glynn_naughton@h... wrote: > It still amazes me that in 1987 they could countenance making an album of > William Blake poetry done in the same style as those dreadful songs that > Shirley Bassey used to sing on 'Sunday Night at the Royal Palladium'-style > shows back in the tacky 'ole 70s ('Tyger') or spoken in the manner of an > over-serious teenager trying to put some drama into a poetry recital > ('London'). > > Then again, I've a sneaking admiration for the early 90s incarnation > of TD (a grumpy old bloke and his fat son together with some friends > with ripped leather jackets and Marhsall amplifiers all pretending to > be Guns 'n' Roses). Ha ha ha ha! Those two paragraphs are just priceless. It's true though...for a band which still claims to be 'visionary' and 'leading edge', it's amazing how often TD has struck five years too late. Cyclone was their 'prog rock' album at a time when they should have been new wave. Tyger and Melrose were their New Age albums when they should have been techno. 220 Volt was their Hair Band album when it should have been alternative. Now they're going dance club when the most adventurous bands are doing Can-influenced post rock. The lack of fashionability comes across in the band's appearance too. I mean Edgar...lose the mullet and aviator shades. As for Jerome's 'goth' hair...it's is so old that it's almost cool again. I imagine it's about time for a neon-colour-legwarmers 80s revival. But you know what? I don't care whether TD is 'fashionable' or breaking new ground, as long as the music's good. The problem for me is that over the past ten years, their music has often failed to meet that one criterion. If I hadn't become a fan of TD back in the 80s, there's no way that I'd be buying their stuff now. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26567 Re: DM3 and TD Naffness j.gordon Thu 3/22/2001 2 KB From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 11:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... Ha Ha you've got to be joking....UTD equal to Arcane??? sometimes I really wonder what criteria people have for judging musical ability...and now I'm thinking that Hearsay are N0 1 in the charts and this reminded me that 99 percent of the population are gullible dolts...Can Attilla btw directly rips off TD and it's a wonder he hasn't been sued....it's not just a case of influence here but actual stealing of whole sections of TD's music....so in that sense he really isn't worth mentioning alongside RMI, Arcane, Redshift and Airsculpture. jack >From: 'Frank Arellano' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... >Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:59:11 -0700 > >The person who proclaimed Arcane's first one to be 'weak' I believe was >none >other than our very own Mr. Feldman. I also just wanted to express my >opinion that Under The Dome's release I thought was quite good, atleast >equal to Arcane's releases. One other group whose name seems to be omitted >from this list of similar vein would be Can Atilla. Never heard of Walter >Holland. What specific rec's can you make and can you expound on his style >or make references ? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'Mark Coyle' >To: >Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 11:02 AM >Subject: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... > > > > Hi > > > > > You probably missed the original comment that I replied where the >person >who > > > wrote the list proclaimed Gather Darkness to be 'weak' and Future >Wreck >to > > > be only 'quite good'. Two comments that I completely disagree with. I >was > > > then surprised to see them on his current playlist and so wondered if >he > > > actually liked the other stuff on his list which in my opinion varied >wildly > > > in quality. For instance I would not rate Under the Dome in the same >breath > > > as Arcane or RMI..although I appreciate their efforts. I also see >that >you > > > agree with my view on TD's music of the past 15 years....so perhaps >you >are > > > not offering so much of an alternate viewpoint after all but merely > > > misunderstanding the thread? > > > > Ah I see, yes I understand the point now. As the list is quiet I thought >I'd keep > > things moving along a bit! > > > > I think there have been TD flashes but if you collect EM then some of >the >TD releases > > pale beside them. For example the two scorching albums of lead guitar >led >power > > synths by Walter Holland are absolute dynamite that I'm sure most TD >fans >would > > appreciate (once jaws have been picked up). I really want TD to be at >their peak but > > like most bands, it is unlikely to happen. I understand their desire >to >move > > forward and not be hostages to their past but I prefer to see it more as >a >lineage or > > heritage than a legacy. > > > > Just listened to Purple Waves by Franke off the London Concert, it's >very >good. In > > fact it's hard to tell from TD apart form being 'cleaner' and with more >digital > > keyboards (including subtle electric piano). When he lets off the >sync-ed > > pitch-bended melody at the end I keep thinking of the same sound doing a >similar > > thing on Logos (which I love and people seem to think is a bit weak, >there >again it > > was my first TD). > > > > cheers > > Mark > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26508 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Marcel Engels Sun 3/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 11:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? I'd like to see TD work with somebody interesting like Steve Reich... after all they've kind of collaborated in the past given that Risky Business track 'Love on a Real Train' sounds virtually identical to Reich's earlier Music for 18 Musicians....and they do actually admit the ahem...influence. Reich has also shown an interest in digital technology and......oh, I can't be bothered carrying on with this it'll never happen.....how about a collaboration with Brittany Spears? jack >From: Jorge Figueiredo >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:39:55 +0000 > > > >Deborah Johnson wrote: > > > > > If you could have your pick of anyone out there doing EM music today, >who > > would you pick to join Jerome when/if Edgar retires? > >I'll bite. This looks like a fun exercise... > >My suggestions would be, by alphabetical order: >Marcel Engels >Paul Lawler >Peter Mergener >Grant Middleton >Andy Pickford > >-- >Jorge Figueiredo > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26510 Re: Future of TD?? PENFOLD Sun 3/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 9:14 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... > From: Jack Kramer [mailto:jackkkramer@h...] > > Ha Ha you've got to be joking....UTD equal to Arcane??? sometimes > I really > wonder what criteria people have for judging musical > ability... There isn't any criteria... It is all a matter of taste. Could be wrong though and I'm from another planet. :-) I happen to like UTD's material, especially Flussiger 4 Takt... Whats this discussion about really? Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: [Solo - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale] >From: 'Mark Coyle' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Hi > >Baumann's solo was Phase By Phase wasn't it? (Could be wrong), I just have >a >compilation but it's fairly average. Baumann also has the worthless 'Repeat Repeat', the interesting 'Transharmonic Nights' (which I've just stumbled upon in my closet so pencil it into my review list!), and 'Romance '76' (am i remembering right?) which I have not heard. The only Haslinger solos I've heard were the Octahedron I and II demos he did in 89. They blow away most of the TD stuff from that era. Too bad that whole thing fizzled. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: PENFOLD Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? At 01.03.17 23:35, Jack Kramer wrote: >.....how about a collaboration with Brittany Spears? Ewwwwwwww! End Of The World As We Know It! Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Thomas Bertilsson' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 9:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Epsilon in Malaysian Pale Epsilon in Malaysian Pale is such a masterpiece. At first I was bothered by the bad sound quality, but after hearing it a couple of times I started hearing beyond that. I used to have a pretty bad vinyl copy only, but some nice friend here on the list made me a nice offer on a copy on CD, so now I can play it as much as I want.... and that's a lot! The disc is a regular visitor in my CD-player. It is evidence of how much I like it and how it interests me and catches my attention. The beautiful layers of sounds just wrap around me and sweeps me away to some distant place. It's very relaxing and calming, but also engaging. The album itself is evidence of how hard it must have been to make music like that in those days. How creativity had to be in charge of the poor technical support offered by e-instruments back then. I think that the imperfect sound quality adds to the charm and uniqueness, and makes it an unrepeatable success. Edgar's greatest work in my mind, with Pinnacles chasing behind as a good second. For you out there who havn't heard it yet, any chance you get, please do. It will give you a new perspective of Rubycon and Phaedra. I always thought that Edgar's solo work was like 'sound research' for the TD group efforts. Good listening. Thomas St.Paul MN _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 4:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Epsilon in Malaysian Pale For you out there who havn't heard it yet, any chance you get, please do. It will give you a new perspective of Rubycon and Phaedra. I always thought that Edgar's solo work was like 'sound research' for the TD group efforts. Good listening. Thomas *Thomas, I agree with your sentiments exactly... EIMP is one of the greatest triumphs of the 'Berlin School' in more ways than just the music itself... Edgar's supreme melodic moment IMO... Peace, Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Epsilon in Malaysian Pale I agree wholeheartedly with the positive comments regarding 'Epsilon' and certainly whenever I wish to lay back and drift it's the first CD I reach for. My other favourite recording for similar aural pacification is KLF's 'Chill Out' try it and see what I mean....... not as serene as Edgar's work but a masterpiece of sampling and sound sculpting IMO. ATB Phil N.P. Mario Schonwalder ' Eye Of The Chameleon' From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... I quite like UTD too...they're not bad....Although it seems obvious to me that some bands are amateur bedroom boys where as others have a real sense of musicality, professionalism and production and I'm constantly surprised that some people don't wish to recognize the difference and will happily show a preference towards ineptitude because they feel they have discovered a little private area of the world that they can call their own...which is fine by me but you can't put perfume on a pig and say.... in all honesty.....that it smells of roses... jack >From: 'Marcel Engels' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... >Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 01:14:21 -0800 > > > From: Jack Kramer [mailto:jackkkramer@h...] > > > > Ha Ha you've got to be joking....UTD equal to Arcane??? sometimes > > I really > > wonder what criteria people have for judging musical > > ability... > >There isn't any criteria... >It is all a matter of taste. >Could be wrong though and I'm from another planet. :-) >I happen to like UTD's material, especially Flussiger >4 Takt... >Whats this discussion about really? > >Marcel >http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels >mengels@w... > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26515 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... Marcel Engels Sun 3/18/2001 3 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 12:13 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... > From: Jack Kramer [mailto:jackkkramer@h...] Okay, but for the 'professionals' it is their day-time job. We as 'bedroom musicians' do this more as a hobby. Anyway for me personally the bedroom musos are producing far more interesting music these days then the 'professionals'. The bedroom musos have to start somewhere and labels are not jumping up and down for contracting them and giving them the studio-tools them may need. I like that little private area... it's probably the same little area TD and others had in 'those' days and when the Hollywood years came and 'professionalism' and production came then for me the music died. But imo this discussion is useless...it's all a matter of taste. There is no good or bad. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > I quite like UTD too...they're not bad....Although it seems obvious to me > that some bands are amateur bedroom boys where as others have a > real sense > of musicality, professionalism and production and I'm constantly > surprised > that some people don't wish to recognize the difference and will happily > show a preference towards ineptitude because they feel they have > discovered > a little private area of the world that they can call their > own...which is > fine by me but you can't put perfume on a pig and say.... in all > honesty.....that it smells of roses... > jack From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 3:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Epsilon in Malaysian Pale KLF 'Chillout' ? Excuse my ignorance, but are we talking about Klaus Schulze? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Phil White' To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Epsilon in Malaysian Pale > I agree wholeheartedly with the positive comments > regarding 'Epsilon' and certainly whenever I wish > to lay back and drift it's the first CD I reach for. > My other favourite recording for similar aural > pacification is KLF's 'Chill Out' try it and see what > I mean....... not as serene as Edgar's work but a > masterpiece of sampling and sound sculpting IMO. > > ATB Phil > > N.P. Mario Schonwalder ' Eye Of The Chameleon' > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 3:53 pm Subject: Epsilon This requires me to get out my vinyl player. I think its a great album David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 3:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Epsilon in Malaysian Pale HI > KLF 'Chillout' ? Excuse my ignorance, but are we talking about Klaus > Schulze? No Jimmy Cauty and Bill Patterson, the UK dance/ambient band The KLF (The Kommunications Liberation Front) also known as the JAMMS (Justified Ancients Of Mu Mu). The album is truly brilliant and a pivotal point in electronic music. The band also had lots of dance music hits in the UK by taking elements of this album and turning them into 'stadium-house' as they called it, epics. Really innovative stuff. The album is late night listening and decribes a journey across the US in a car with the radio turning into various stations with songs and voices drifting in and out, sheep bleeting, trains passing and the like. It's an intense trip though, be warned it was mixed to have a psychoactive effect like Rod Modells 'Sonic Continuum' from last year. Snatches of Stranger On The Shore, In The Getto, Alabtross and more drift by, with delay and all kinds of effects. This is the roots from which The Orb was formed (Jimmy Cauty was in Space, an earlier version with Alex of the Orb). Their 'A Huge Ever Growing Brain.....' is derived from the same ethos. The band deliberately stopped releasing music and said they will only release a record when world peace is achieved although a number of rare tracks have turned up. There is an amazing 30 minute ambient track with a Martin Sheen like Apocalypse Now voice over about their legendary taking of loads of journalists to a remote Scottish Isle to witness strange ceremonies and later, the burning of £1Million (which they did, in private after auctioning it off at a reserve price which wasn't achieved). cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: PENFOLD Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 7:10 pm Subject: Slightly OT: TD sighting in 'Spinal Tap' I sat down again to watch Spinal Tap on DVD, with the audio commentary by the band members turned on and noticed a sighting of TD. In the scene where they're in the record store to autograph copies of their album _Smell The Glove_ the camera switches to catch the dialogue between Artie Flufkin(sp? (played by a young Paul Shaeffer with hair) and the record store owner, right there in the foreground plain as day is the unmistakable red cover of _Tangram_! Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26520 Re: Slightly OT: TD sighting in 'Spinal Tap' odean@m... Sun 3/18/2001 2 KB 26532 Re: Slightly OT: TD sighting in 'Spinal Tap' Joe Shoults Mon 3/19/2001 2 KB From: odean@m... Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Slightly OT: TD sighting in 'Spinal Tap' At 11:10 AM 3/18/01 -0800, you wrote: > I sat down again to watch Spinal Tap on DVD, with the audio > commentary by >the band members turned on and noticed a sighting of TD. > In the scene where they're in the record store to autograph > copies of >their album _Smell The Glove_ the camera switches to catch the dialogue >between Artie Flufkin(sp? (played by a young Paul Shaeffer with hair) and >the record store owner, right there in the foreground plain as day is the >unmistakable red cover of _Tangram_! > >Pete Isaacson Sorry to burst your Tangram bubble, but this has already been mentioned a few times on the list. 'O' From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... Yes, I agree. Classifying musicians as 'professionals' vs. the 'bedroom types' is ludicrous in this day-and-age. That's like saying only people who have gone to college are capable of producing good movies. -Morgan >From: 'Marcel Engels' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... >Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:13:06 -0800 > > > From: Jack Kramer [mailto:jackkkramer@h...] > >Okay, but for the 'professionals' it is their day-time >job. We as 'bedroom musicians' do this more as a hobby. >Anyway for me personally the bedroom musos are producing >far more interesting music these days then the >'professionals'. >The bedroom musos have to start somewhere and labels >are not jumping up and down for contracting them and >giving them the studio-tools them may need. >I like that little private area... it's probably the >same little area TD and others had in 'those' days >and when the Hollywood years came and 'professionalism' >and production came then for me the music died. >But imo this discussion is useless...it's all a matter >of taste. There is no good or bad. > >Marcel >http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels >mengels@w... > > > I quite like UTD too...they're not bad....Although it seems obvious to >me > > that some bands are amateur bedroom boys where as others have a > > real sense > > of musicality, professionalism and production and I'm constantly > > surprised > > that some people don't wish to recognize the difference and will happily > > show a preference towards ineptitude because they feel they have > > discovered > > a little private area of the world that they can call their > > own...which is > > fine by me but you can't put perfume on a pig and say.... in all > > honesty.....that it smells of roses... > > jack > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 6:58 am Subject: Homepage update: www.opticaldream.de Hi all, My Tangerine Dream Homepage was updated at: 18.03.2001 Please jump to: www.opticaldream.de Regards Heiko from Burg/Germany See you at London in May and Bernau/Berlin in October!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 9:21 am Subject: OT: Leonard Nimoy should eat more salsa This is probably very old news, cos I see that the site has been up since 1996, but I've only just discovered it and I thought it was very funny: www.lnsemsf.com Also in a Star Trek mode, see the William Shatner Acting Simulator at www.hecklers.com Glynn From: gmroger@p... Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 11:52 am Subject: Re: Solo artists to discuss From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... > Subject: Re: Sols artists to discuss > > Roger, > > What criteria are you using to evaluate 'long-term contribution' to TD's > musical success? :-) > > Cordially, > > Dave Kaufman What I mean by this is those performers who have contributed to the group as composers and performers over a period of time, and not just for one album. Let's face it, do we all consider Klaus Schulze as ex-TD when he was only on the first album? I suggest for those who want to discuss Klaus' work should join a discussion group dedicated to his work. Here's how, IMO, the solo lists should be looked at: Edgar Froese: Aqua, Epsilon in Malaysian Pale, Macula Transfer, Ages, Stuntman, Kamikaze 1989, Pinnacles, and Beyond the Storm (most of which was previously unreleased material.) Those who enjoyed the 'different' mix of Maroubra Bay (or was it Epsilon) on 'Electronic Dreams' might want to include this, as well as the five remixes to be found on 'Solo'. Chris (topher) Franke: Pacific Coast Highway, Universal Soldier, The London Concert, New Music for Films Vols.1 & 2, Klemania (of which there are three versions? I know of two, the second having the extension of 'Morphing Space' ), Raven, Babylon 5 Volumes 1-4, Night of the Running Man, The Celestine Prophecy, Tenchi-Muyo in Love, Perry Rhodan, Pacific Blue. I suspect this may not be the complete list, and 'Epic'/'Enchanting Nature' are compilations. As for 'Transformation of the Mind'... I don't know if this counts as this is words over music (not Vocals!). Peter Baumann: Romance '76, Trans Harmonic Nights, Repeat Repeat, Strangers in the Night. I believe he also did an album with someone called Koek, but I think this takes us away from our criteria. 'Phase by Phase' is also a compilation. Johannes Schmoelling: Wuivend Riet, The Zoo of Tranquillity (1988 & 1998 versions), White Out (1990 & 2000 versions), Songs No Words. 'Der Zaubergeiger Settembrini'... see 'Transformation of the Mind' Paul Haslinger Future Primative, World Without Rules, Hidden (as Coma Virus), Planetary Traveller, Score. To my knowledge Linda Spa and Jerome Froese :) haven't released solo material. So, that's 39 albums, which I think should be enough... by the end, we'll all want to do something else. Roger -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26526 Re: Solo artists to discuss Mark Coyle Mon 3/19/2001 2 KB 26527 Re: Solo artists to discuss Synthhtnys@a... Mon 3/19/2001 2 KB 26533 Re: Solo artists to discuss quarlie@a... Mon 3/19/2001 2 KB 26535 Re: Solo artists to discuss Joe Shoults Mon 3/19/2001 3 KB 26540 Re: Solo artists to discuss Jack Kramer Mon 3/19/2001 2 KB 26541 Re: Solo artists to discuss Michal Moroz Mon 3/19/2001 2 KB 26543 Re: Solo artists to discuss Mark Coyle Mon 3/19/2001 3 KB 26550 Re: Solo artists to discuss gmroger@p... Wed 3/21/2001 6 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 11:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] pop composers classical music TD vehicle Oh God! The flashbacks to my mis-spent youth. Upon listening the new ELP collection recently. I realised that I would have probably grown to love this had I not discovered TD instead. Saved indeed!! Best wishes Brian --------------------- <> And lets not forget the early work of King Crimson and Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, who covered pieces by Bartok, Janacek, and a host of others, often uncredited. It isn't bad stuff! Deb H-J --------------- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 12:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Solo artists to discuss Hi, thanks for the comprehensive list. I would add in Michael Hoenig too, if only because his excellent, Departure From A Northern Wasteland could have been released as a TD album it's so close to their sound. Early Water while excellent is less related to TD. While he wasn't with the band for too long, his playing with them is widely respected. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 12:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Solo artists to discuss In a message dated 3/19/2001 4:46:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, markcoyleuk@y... writes: > I would add in Michael Hoenig too, if only because his excellent, Departure > From > Northern Wasteland could have been released as a TD album. *I'll second that emotion... DFTNW is one of the greats... Peace, Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sun Mar 18, 2001 12:13 am Subject: Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:28:19 -0000 'Jack Kramer' writes: > Ha Ha you've got to be joking....UTD equal to Arcane??? sometimes I > really wonder what criteria people have for judging musical ability... I prefer THE DEMON HAUNTED WORLD to GATHER DARKNESS. Musical ability doesn' t necessarily make for good music. There are plenty of studio musicians who compose absolute crap. >[. . .] Can Attilla btw directly rips off TD and it's a wonder he hasn't been sued....it's not just a case of influence here but actual stealing of whole >sections of TD's music....so in that sense he really isn't worth mentioning >alongside [. . .] Arcane. Feh. Sorry, but I find Arcane every bit as derivative as Can Atilla's AVE album. I really only like one track on AVE, though: 'Time Seller Under the Rain.' > jack Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26531 Re: Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. lawlermusic Mon 3/19/2001 3 KB 26534 Re: Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. lawlermusic Mon 3/19/2001 2 KB 26538 Re: Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. Jack Kramer Mon 3/19/2001 4 KB 26542 Re: Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. scfeldman@j... Mon 3/19/2001 5 KB From: gmroger@p... Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 1:37 pm Subject: Re: Eddy & Jerry's top ten > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:14:28 -0700 > From: 'Frank Arellano' > Subject: Re: Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten > > Roger, the one's I see you're missing are Mathew Sawyer's and Paul Lawler's. > Here's Mathew's : > > 1. Dream Encores [Wasn't on your list though] > 2. What A Blast > 3.Timesquare > 4. Mars Polaris > 5. Sony Topping Center [Wasn't on your list either] > > Paul's > > 1. Seven Letter's Of Tibet > 2. Seven Letter's Of Tibet > 3. Seven Letter's Of Tibet > 4. Seven Letter's Of Tibet > 5. Seven Letter's Of Tibet > > Just Kidding, Paul :-D > Okay......., here they are :-( > > Goblin's Club > Oasis > Rockoon > Timesquare > Valentine Wheels > > No particular order on Paul's > > Of course, Eric Rochon and Dennis Nigbur just posted theirs. Let me know if > you didn't get theirs, Roger. WHAT? Seven Letters of Tibet isn't Paul's fav rave of TD? Well, bugger me, I'd already earmarked it five points plus bonuses. Actually, I had received Paul's votes but (for some strange reason that I cannot figure out) I had missed him off my list! Sorry Paul me old chum. (By the way, do you know if Andy P is going to the concert?) I have Eric's and Dennis's votes, plus another set that follows your posting (as listed in the latest Digest). As for Mathew... Matt, mate, please resubmit your list. Dream Encores is a compilation, and includes tracks NOT performed by Eddy & Jerry, and The Sony Topping Out Ceremony... well, I'll count the points, but very few of us have it! Besides, isn't it an EP? If there isn't a further list, then I will list the Eddy & Jerry albums as 1, 2 & 3 (5, 4 & 3 points). At this stage, it would certainly affect 'Timesquare''s position in the chart. Roger -- From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 9:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 833 I totally agree, Marcel! (as a bedroom musician with some 6 hours of recorded work, including improvisations, early hobby XM experimental/crazy compositions and a 'serious' album-long XM composition, nearly finished (just beginning to compose the finale :) ) I think every musician should be given a listen. You can find some very good music in that way, or at least it's always interesting to hear different things. I'm always trying to do that, but I admit I don't always do. I have to say I've heard some very good bedroom music in the past 12 months. Gustavo ------ From: 'Marcel Engels' Subject: RE: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... Okay, but for the 'professionals' it is their day-time job. We as 'bedroom musicians' do this more as a hobby. Anyway for me personally the bedroom musos are producing far more interesting music these days then the 'professionals'. The bedroom musos have to start somewhere and labels are not jumping up and down for contracting them and giving them the studio-tools them may need. I like that little private area... it's probably the same little area TD and others had in 'those' days and when the Hollywood years came and 'professionalism' and production came then for me the music died. But imo this discussion is useless...it's all a matter of taste. There is no good or bad. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 3:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 12:13 AM Subject: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. >[. . .] Can Attilla btw directly rips off TD and it's a wonder he hasn't > been > sued....it's not just a case of influence here but actual stealing of > whole > >sections of TD's music....so in that sense he really isn't worth > mentioning > >alongside [. . .] Arcane. I`d very much like you to point out just which sections of TD I have *stolen* . If you could provide track numbers and timings that would be useful , as well as the timings and album names of the TD albums that they have been stolen from . Its easy to *sound* like anybody if you analyse the typical chords /sounds they use . You dont have to copy somebody to sound like them . > > Feh. Sorry, but I find Arcane every bit as derivative as Can > Atilla's > AVE album. Its meant to be though isn`t it .Thats the idea , make people forget that the CD they are listnening to isn`t TD . I dont mind people telling me that they dont like my work but dont go down the line that I am *stealing * other peoples music , otherwise we may fall out . Paul From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 3:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Slightly OT: TD sighting in 'Spinal Tap' that's OK. this list is no stranger to regurgitation! > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [tadream] Slightly OT: TD sighting in 'Spinal Tap' > >unmistakable red cover of _Tangram_! [..] > Sorry to burst your Tangram bubble, but this has already been > mentioned a few times on the list. From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 3:54 pm Subject: Re: Solo artists to discuss In a message dated 3/19/01 6:53:53 AM, gmroger@p... writes: >Paul Haslinger >Future Primative, World Without Rules, Hidden (as Coma Virus), >Planetary Traveller, Score. I believe Coma Virus was actually a collaborative project between Paul Haslinger and Brian Lustmord/Williams, so that might put it outside your criteria. I'm not 100% sure about that, though. (Williams also had something to do with 'Score,' but I think it was more production/engineering-related than compositional.) --Daniel NP: Covenant--Final Man From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 4:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 12:13 AM > Subject: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. > > > >[. . .] Can Attilla btw directly rips off TD and it's a wonder he hasn't > > been > > sued....it's not just a case of influence here but actual stealing of > > whole > > >sections of TD's music....so in that sense he really isn't worth > > mentioning > > >alongside [. . .] Arcane. > shall I try and read this mail again and realise that mr Feldman didn`t write 'Alongside Arcane' as a reply to the above section . Jees ! sometimes I`m a dufus . apologies !!!!!!!!!! ahem ! Paul From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 4:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Solo artists to discuss > -----Original Message----- > From: gmroger@p... [mailto:gmroger@p...] > not just for one album. Let's face it, do we all consider Klaus > Schulze as ex-TD when he was only on the first album? I suggest Well, Herr Schulze certainly considers himself ex-TD. I mean, I've always seen that label not too far from his name on his website or press references to him. Also, some might argue that Schulze continued to influence TD, in a competitive sort of way, even after he left. But due to the sheer volume of his work, it would be hard to cover his solo efforts. I agree with Gustavo's suggestion: just the first 3 albums or something. Same for Hoenig- just include Departure From Northern Wasteland. > for those who want to discuss Klaus' work should join a discussion > group dedicated to his work. I wouldn't be against having a Schulze-only thread someday. He and TD ran sorta parallel to each other on and off through the years. > Here's how, IMO, the solo lists should be looked at: Thanks for making the list, roger. I cleaned it up a little for viewability. feedback: what's the consensus on Schulze and Hoenig? -Joe =============================== Edgar Froese: Aqua Epsilon in Malaysian Pale Macula Transfer Ages Stuntman Kamikaze 1989 Pinnacles Beyond the Storm Electronic Dreams - backwards Maroubra Bay Chris Franke: Pacific Coast Highway Universal Soldier The London Concert New Music for Films Vols.1 & 2 Klemania Raven Babylon 5 Volumes 1-4 Night of the Running Man The Celestine Prophecy Tenchi-Muyo in Love Perry Rhodan Pacific Blue Epic Enchanting Nature Transformation of the Mind Peter Baumann: Romance '76 Trans Harmonic Nights Repeat Repeat, Strangers in the Night Phase by Phase Johannes Schmoelling: Wuivend Riet The Zoo of Tranquillity White Out Songs No Words Der Zaubergeiger Settembrini Paul Haslinger Future Primitive World Without Rules Hidden (as Coma Virus) Planetary Traveller Score From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 17, 2001 7:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? No I don't think so...I hear that the Village People actually perform live so that would be a problem.... jack >From: 'lawlermusic' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:35:50 -0000 > >Dont forget , there`s always room for ED in the Village people now that the >biker blokle is dead . > > > > >http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler >http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- >http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jack Kramer >To: >Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:41 PM >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > > > > I'd pick Dave Law of SMD for his Edgar style business acumen or maybe > > Stephen Hawkings for his Edgar like keyboard skills, or ideally perhaps >both > > of them could join and form a threesome with Jerome.... and if they get >a > > break they could write music too....failing this I'd go for Rolf Harris >and > > his stylaphone...oh, hang on they don't do EM music do they...so in that > > case I'd have to say I'd like to see that famous cardboard cut-out of >Chris > > Franke that appeared on all the TD albums get a chance to do some stuff. > > jack > > > > > > >From: 'Deborah Johnson' > > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > > >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:37:07 -0500 > > > > > > > > >If you could have your pick of anyone out there doing EM music today, >who > > >would you pick to join Jerome when/if Edgar retires? > > > > > >Just curious... > > > > > >Deb H-J > > >drbjohn@e... > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > >Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 6:22 pm Subject: [tadream] Hoenig Hi all, I have a copy of Michael Hoenig's 'Departure from the Northern Wasteland' LP which I want to get rid of, is anyone interested before I put it up on e-bay? Paul From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 6:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. Yes but he did say you were just as derivative as Can Attilla which is tantamount to the same thing. It probably doesn't matter that much to you what people say about Arcane but as a fan of your music and someone that hopes you'll keep on making albums I think it's pretty pathetic when somebody has to make such snide and unfounded innuendo's...particularly when he knows that you are a list member...I'm only sorry that it came as a result of a well founded comment that I made....so read his rubbish again and realize that you don't need to apologise and keep up the great work....what's happening with the Max Richter album btw? is it out soon? jack. >From: 'lawlermusic' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. >Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:07:41 -0000 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 12:13 AM > > Subject: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. > > > > > > >[. . .] Can Attilla btw directly rips off TD and it's a wonder he >hasn't > > > been > > > sued....it's not just a case of influence here but actual stealing of > > > whole > > > >sections of TD's music....so in that sense he really isn't worth > > > mentioning > > > >alongside [. . .] Arcane. > > >shall I try and read this mail again and realise that mr Feldman didn`t >write 'Alongside Arcane' as a reply to the above section . Jees ! sometimes >I`m a dufus . >apologies !!!!!!!!!! >ahem ! > >Paul > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 6:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... I don't agree with either of you... but it seems that my reply from yesterday has mysteriously not appeared on the list. jack >From: 'Feldon Feldon' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... >Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:09:50 -0600 > >Yes, I agree. Classifying musicians as 'professionals' vs. the 'bedroom >types' is ludicrous in this day-and-age. That's like saying only people who >have gone to college are capable of producing good movies. > >-Morgan > > > >From: 'Marcel Engels' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... > >Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:13:06 -0800 > > > > > From: Jack Kramer [mailto:jackkkramer@h...] > > > >Okay, but for the 'professionals' it is their day-time > >job. We as 'bedroom musicians' do this more as a hobby. > >Anyway for me personally the bedroom musos are producing > >far more interesting music these days then the > >'professionals'. > >The bedroom musos have to start somewhere and labels > >are not jumping up and down for contracting them and > >giving them the studio-tools them may need. > >I like that little private area... it's probably the > >same little area TD and others had in 'those' days > >and when the Hollywood years came and 'professionalism' > >and production came then for me the music died. > >But imo this discussion is useless...it's all a matter > >of taste. There is no good or bad. > > > >Marcel > >http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > >mengels@w... > > > > > I quite like UTD too...they're not bad....Although it seems obvious to > >me > > > that some bands are amateur bedroom boys where as others have a > > > real sense > > > of musicality, professionalism and production and I'm constantly > > > surprised > > > that some people don't wish to recognize the difference and will >happily > > > show a preference towards ineptitude because they feel they have > > > discovered > > > a little private area of the world that they can call their > > > own...which is > > > fine by me but you can't put perfume on a pig and say.... in all > > > honesty.....that it smells of roses... > > > jack > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ > >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > >Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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ID Date Size 26568 Re: Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending..... j.gordon Thu 3/22/2001 4 KB From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 6:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Solo artists to discuss >> >feedback: what's the consensus on Schulze and Hoenig? > >-Joe > I think Hoenig is weak sounding and his music is thin whilst Schulze is on the whole repetitive, overated and boring....apart from that I love them both... jack _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 6:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Solo artists to discuss >Chris Franke: >Pacific Coast Highway ... >Babylon 5 Volumes 1-4 What about the B5 episodic cds? Got few. Are there really B5 volumes 3 and 4? Never saw them in the big music stores and in the polish electronic music shop Generator only vol 1 and 2 are available TD-Station From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 6:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. [moderator: I'm letting Stephen clarify his statement, but before we get too deep into an episode of 'he said/he said' here, this is a TD fan list, not a TD-bashing list and certainly not a UTD, Can Atilla or Arcane bashing list. The rest of this personal stuff can be done offlist directly with each other, OK? Thanks, Joe] On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:08:15 -0000 'lawlermusic' writes: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 12:13 AM > Subject: [tadream] Under the Dome, Arcane, Can Atilla. >>[. . .] Can Attilla btw directly rips off TD and it's a wonder he >>hasn't been sued....it's not just a case of influence here but >>actual stealing of whole sections of TD's music....so in that >>sense he really isn't worth mentioning alongside [. . .] Arcane. > >I`d very much like you to point out just which sections of TD I >have *stolen* . If you could provide track numbers and timings >that would be useful , as well as the timings and album names >of the TD albums that they have been stolen from . First of all, I didn't say the above; I was *quoting a previous poster.* That said, I will go back and re-listen to your first two albums (the only ones I have, so far) and try to see what strikes me as major similiarities. I *do not* feel that you have swiped soundbites (like FSOL did on their LIFEFORMS album) per se. >Its easy to *sound* like anybody if you analyse the typical chords >/sounds they use . You dont have to copy somebody to sound >like them . Interesting. >> Feh. Sorry, but I find Arcane every bit as derivative as >Can Atilla's AVE album. > >Its meant to be though isn`t it .Thats the idea, make people >forget that the CD they are listnening to isn`t TD . It might work on someone not extremely familiar with TD, but for a fairly hardcore, non-musician fan like me, it is all too easy to tell the difference. When I listen to Under the Dome, it is always apparent that I am *not* listening to TD, but their Berlin school pedigree is closer to TD than to any any other band. The same goes for Ramp and Dweller at the Threshold. The only band I can think of that *really* apes TD to the point of audacity is Redshift, but I wouldn't say that Mark Shreeve is 'stealing' sections of TD: it is merely an insightful homage. >I dont mind people telling me that they dont like my work I do like your work, I'm just not ecstatic about it to the point of considering Arcane in the league of Tangerine Dream, Brian Eno and Robert Carty, that's all. >but dont go down the line that I am *stealing * other >peoples music, otherwise we may fall out . Again, I wasn't the one who said that. And I won't say anything like that re your music, anyways -- unless you ever actually *do* swipe something. ;) >Paul Steven Feldman, Arcane Fan From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Mon Mar 19, 2001 7:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Solo artists to discuss Hi > >Babylon 5 Volumes 1-4 > > What about the B5 episodic cds? > Got few. > > Are there really B5 volumes 3 and 4? > Never saw them in the big music stores and > in the polish electronic music shop Generator only vol 1 and 2 are available In Amazon I think I noticed it up to about 8 the other day. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Tue Mar 20, 2001 12:18 pm Subject: Re: Sols artists to discuss The Baumann in the Baumann/Koek album that Roger mentioned is not the Peter Baumann most of us are familiar with. This fact was reported in a magazine Horizon Music (sorry to promote this company, but what the heck, I'm the company president!) used to put out. Also, it could be misleading just to focus on how long a musician has been in TD. The fact of the matter is that certain people, even if they were members of TD for a brief period of time, contributed ideas and notions that shaped the band for years to come. For instance, Steve Jolliffe suggested back in the late 60s that the band be a trio -- a format that TD would have for most of the 70s and 80s. Of course, he could have been influenced by the fact that there were several rock trios in the late 60s -- Cream, the Jimi Hendrix Experience and The Nice, to name three. Additionally, I have heard the case made that Klaus Schulze first suggested that TD use synthesizers. Just food for thought... Dave Kaufman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Phil White' Date: Tue Mar 20, 2001 9:12 am Subject: Re: On the scrounge Hi Does anyone possibly have the cover art work for the TD at Lisner Auditorium Washington DC on 04.04.77 ? Any chance of e-mailing them to me off-list and I will be eternally grateful :o) Thanks in anticipation ATB Phil N.P. Synco 'Evolution Of Events' From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Mar 20, 2001 6:35 pm Subject: (two replies) Re: KS / Solo artists to discuss I agree Roger, although I really like KS (still not a huge fan), I think it's better to discuss the ones that really contributed to TD, like Klaus Krieger (kidding). Of course we can talk about KS, I think, but not in this situation, as he was just a founding member and was drumming in the first album, and his discography is as vast as TD's. I think the list Roger proposed is fine. About this Baumann/Koek album, it's not true. Someone in the list (sorry, forgot who it is) has a page called 'the Baumann/Koek error', which explains this. _________________________________________ From: gmroger@p... Subject: Re: Solo artists to discuss What I mean by this is those performers who have contributed to the group as composers and performers over a period of time, and not just for one album. Let's face it, do we all consider Klaus Schulze as ex-TD when he was only on the first album? I suggest for those who want to discuss [...] From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Tue Mar 20, 2001 12:29 pm Subject: Pheadra master tapes The bloke who owns the library music company I write for has a set of the original Pheadra master tapes from Virgin studios , complete with labels etc How much would this be worth ? Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26548 Re: Pheadra master tapes Heiko Heerssen Tue 3/20/2001 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Mar 20, 2001 1:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Pheadra master tapes lawlermusic schrieb: > The bloke who owns the library music company I write for has a set of the > original Pheadra master tapes from Virgin studios , complete with labels etc > How much would this be worth ? I'll send you 50 Pounds, please send it to my following address: ... ~lol~ Heiko From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 12:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Jack: << I'd like to see TD work with somebody interesting like Steve Reich... after all they've kind of collaborated in the past given that Risky Business track 'Love on a Real Train' sounds virtually identical to Reich's earlier Music for 18 Musicians.... >> I am a big fan of Steve Reich's, and while we're all fantasizing, would like to see him to a TD-related effort. Phillip Glass's renditions of David Bowie/Brian Eno work ('Heroes' and 'Low') are very, very nice. The Michael Nyman Band, with its early music 'Venetian' band sound, would also be interesting to see in a combo with TD, even though they're not primarily an EM group. I'll have to give the 'Love on a Real Train' a listening. Reich's 'Music for 18 Musicians' is an awesome piece. One of my favorites! Deb H-J drbjohn@e... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26552 Re: Future of TD?? glynn_naughton@h... Wed 3/21/2001 2 KB 26553 Re: Future of TD?? Don Wed 3/21/2001 3 KB 26565 copycats Armin Theissen Thu 3/22/2001 2 KB From: gmroger@p... Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 11:50 am Subject: Re: Solo artists to discuss To answer a few points raised recently: > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:33:01 -0000 > From: 'Mark Coyle' > Subject: Re: Re: Solo artists to discuss > > Hi, > > thanks for the comprehensive list. > > I would add in Michael Hoenig too, if only because his excellent, Departure From A > Northern Wasteland could have been released as a TD album it's so close to their > sound. Early Water while excellent is less related to TD. While he wasn't with the > band for too long, his playing with them is widely respected. > > cheers > Mark But there hasn't been any official TD releases with Michael's contributions, let alone one. We would have to rope in the other thirty plus other musicians if we have to stick to this criteria. > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:50:36 EST > From: Synthhtnys@a... > Subject: Re: Re: Solo artists to discuss > *I'll second that emotion... DFTNW is one of the greats... > Peace, > Poly As above! > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:54:30 EST > From: quarlie@a... > Subject: Re: Solo artists to discuss > > I believe Coma Virus was actually a collaborative project between Paul > Haslinger and Brian Lustmord/Williams, so that might put it outside your > criteria. I'm not 100% sure about that, though. (Williams also had something > to do with 'Score,' but I think it was more production/engineering-related > than compositional.) > > --Daniel I can neither confirm or verify this... I must admit I haven't collected the Haslinger albums. > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:40:34 -0500 > From: Joe Shoults > Subject: RE: Re: Solo artists to discuss > Well, Herr Schulze certainly considers himself ex-TD. I mean, I've always > seen that label not too far from his name on his website or press references > to him. Also, some might argue that Schulze continued to influence TD, in a > competitive sort of way, even after he left. But due to the sheer volume of > his work, it would be hard to cover his solo efforts. I agree with > Gustavo's suggestion: just the first 3 albums or something. Same for > Hoenig- just include Departure From Northern Wasteland. Klaus Krieger, Steve Joliffe and Conrad Schnitzler can also be considered ex TD, especially the latter who has released goodness knows how many albums, most of which are scarce or deleted, or were limited editions. > I wouldn't be against having a Schulze-only thread someday. He and TD ran > sorta parallel to each other on and off through the years. > feedback: what's the consensus on Schulze and Hoenig? > > -Joe How many of us are Schulze fans too? With the exception of Michel Hoenig, I agree with Jack... > Message: 18 > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:59:18 -0000 > From: 'Jack Kramer' > Subject: RE: Re: Solo artists to discuss > I think Hoenig is weak sounding and his music is thin whilst Schulze is on > the whole repetitive, overated and boring....apart from that I love them > both... > jack > Message: 19 > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:59:50 +0100 > From: 'Michal Moroz' > Subject: Re: Re: Solo artists to discuss > > >Chris Franke: > >Pacific Coast Highway > ... > >Babylon 5 Volumes 1-4 > > What about the B5 episodic cds? > Got few. > > Are there really B5 volumes 3 and 4? > Never saw them in the big music stores and > in the polish electronic music shop Generator only vol 1 and 2 are available > Volume 3 was titled 'In the Beginning', which ws a completely new soundtrack recorded by Chris for the feature length pilot episode, originally recorded by Stuart Copeland. Volume 4 is called 'Thirdspace', the title for one of the TV movies made after the series was completed. The B5 episodic cd's at most re 30 minutes long and in that sense I wouldn't really class them as 'albums', rather as EPs. > Message: 21 > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:50:33 -0000 > From: 'Mark Coyle' > Subject: Re: Re: Solo artists to discuss > In Amazon I think I noticed it up to about 8 the other day. > cheers Probably you would have to check the Sonic Images Web Site for this one. I think it main mean the episode discs. I have to say I would stick to my original suggestion regards solo artists. But it is only my suggestion. Roger -- From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 8:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > I'll have to give the 'Love on a Real Train' a listening. Reich's 'Music > for 18 Musicians' is an awesome piece. One of my favorites! > Deb H-J > drbjohn@e... *Yeah, big fan of Reich here too... I've found that the Schmoelling years had the most overt Reich influences... My fav. of Reich is 'Octet' and also has anyone heard 'Electric Counterpoint' which was performed by Pat Metheny? If anyone here likes Ashra's 'Inventions for electric guitar' you'll probably like it. Peace, Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 9:37 am Subject: Re: Future of TD?? > I'd like to see TD work with somebody interesting like Steve >Reich... > after > all they've kind of collaborated in the past given that Risky Business track > 'Love on a Real Train' sounds virtually identical to Reich's earlier Music > for 18 Musicians.... Much to Reich's annoyance. He once talked about suing TD over that soundtrack. Problem is, you can't copyright a style. Still, TD are certainly not among Reich's favourite people. Glynn From: 'Don' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 11:19 am Subject: Re: Future of TD?? Jack Kramer wrote: >> I'd like to see TD work with somebody >> interesting like Steve Reich... >> after all they've kind of collaborated >> in the past given that Risky Business >> track 'Love on a Real Train' sounds >> virtually identical to Reich's earlier >> Music for 18 Musicians.... Deborah Johnson writes: > I am a big fan of Steve Reich's, and > while we're all fantasizing, would like > to see him to a TD-related effort. > I'll have to give the 'Love on a Real > Train' a listening. Reich's 'Music for > 18 Musicians' is an awesome piece. > One of my favorites! Alas, I don't think Reich's sentiment towards the group is as positive: 'The whole soundtrack to the film 'Risky Business,' supposedly by a group called Tangerine Dream, was an out-and-out rip-off of 'Music for 18 Musicians.' I should have sued.' --Steve Reich; June 1, 1986. 'Come out, come out, come out to shodem, come out, come out to shodem...' -Don Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26565 copycats Armin Theissen Thu 3/22/2001 2 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 4:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Future of TD?? I always wanted to hear TD perform with an orchestra . The line up of Froese , Franke ,.Schmoelling , Morricone and the LSO might be good . Got more chance of the S.Bush gig being live though . I cant believe they even made Zlatco mime when they performed Dolphin Dance in the 97 your .You can hear it again on Valentine Wheels .You can tell that they are miming to old CDs by listening to the obviouse change of sound in Dolphin Dance and more so in Warsaw in the Sun .The sound becomes very harsh and tinny and doesn`t fit with the other tracks and the occassional new sound that appears over the top . Its not too much to ask for them (if they must mime) to actually make sure that the overall EQ and sound of the set matches .......is it ? Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) ----- Original Message ----- From: Don To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:19 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Future of TD?? > Jack Kramer wrote: > > >> I'd like to see TD work with somebody > >> interesting like Steve Reich... > >> after all they've kind of collaborated > >> in the past given that Risky Business > >> track 'Love on a Real Train' sounds > >> virtually identical to Reich's earlier > >> Music for 18 Musicians.... > > > Deborah Johnson writes: > > > I am a big fan of Steve Reich's, and > > while we're all fantasizing, would like > > to see him to a TD-related effort. > > > I'll have to give the 'Love on a Real > > Train' a listening. Reich's 'Music for > > 18 Musicians' is an awesome piece. > > One of my favorites! > > Alas, I don't think Reich's sentiment towards the group is as > positive: > > 'The whole soundtrack to the film 'Risky Business,' supposedly by a > group called Tangerine Dream, was an out-and-out rip-off of 'Music > for 18 Musicians.' I should have sued.' --Steve Reich; June 1, 1986. > > 'Come out, come out, come out to shodem, come out, come out to > shodem...' > > -Don > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26558 Re: Future of TD?? Gary Jenkins Wed 3/21/2001 4 KB From: Tom Richmond Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 4:46 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree follow-up Hey everybody! I haven't heard discussion of the Dreamwatchers' Tales discs on the lists, so thought I'd post a follow-up. If you are/were a participant in the tree, please let me know your status at trichmond@b... : - received copy - waiting to receive your copy - haven't heard jack-diddly-squat from your source I'd have thought everyone would have their copies by now, so if there are difficulties we should get to correcting any problems. Hope to hear from you all soon! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 6:21 pm Subject: Froese&Froese top five. Hello Everyone. Here is my Edgar&Jerome top five. 1,mars polaris 2,goblins club 3,dream mixes 2 4,seven letters from tibet. 5,oasis. Best regards to all. Astro Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26566 Re: Froese&Froese top five. Armin Theissen Thu 3/22/2001 2 KB 26572 Re: Froese&Froese top five. glynn_naughton@h... Thu 3/22/2001 3 KB 26582 Re: Froese&Froese top five. Armin Theissen Fri 3/23/2001 3 KB 26581 Re: Froese&Froese top five. Matthew Stringer Fri 3/23/2001 2 KB 26606 Re: Froese&Froese top five. Feldon Feldon Sun 3/25/2001 3 KB 26630 Re: Froese&Froese top five. glynn_naughton@h... Fri 3/30/2001 2 KB 26631 Re: Froese&Froese top five. goozer@a... Fri 3/30/2001 2 KB From: 'koulos' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 4:55 pm Subject: OT:Tangerine Dream in greek press hiz from greece don't know if this intirests anyone of you but i did come across an interesting article [something like an biography] regarding TD. the article is about the music style of berlin in the years from mid 60's to nowdays and it's title is [in my own translation] BERLIN: CYBER (the exact word is the same as the fisrt half of CYBER-PUNK in a free translation from greek language) it has more to do with the music style inspired by french Ector Berlioz [free translation of the name from greek] who used music loops over and over, with little if not none diference between them in his whole tracks so the writter tells that TD did something like this and then the writer goes on with 3 pages of TD biography and it ends up with another half page regarding berlin music scene in present days [the hole article is about 4 and a half pages] anyway sorry for this OT if anyone is interested in more i could do some translation or a scanning if you want me to [tell me to do so offlist] yours kostas from sunshining athens spending some spirng time in near summer weather np Swayzak Snowboarding in Argentina [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 7:54 pm Subject: Re: Future of TD?? --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > I always wanted to hear TD perform with an orchestra . > The line up of Froese , Franke ,.Schmoelling , Morricone and the LSO might > be good . > Hi Paul I have a very poor video recording of that line up performing mojave plan with an orchestra on a german tv prog,they also performed Kiew Mission on there own. Cheers Gary Ps,cannot wait for Max's album > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler > http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- > http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:19 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Future of TD?? > > > > Jack Kramer wrote: > > > > >> I'd like to see TD work with somebody > > >> interesting like Steve Reich... > > >> after all they've kind of collaborated > > >> in the past given that Risky Business > > >> track 'Love on a Real Train' sounds > > >> virtually identical to Reich's earlier > > >> Music for 18 Musicians.... > > > > > > Deborah Johnson writes: > > > > > I am a big fan of Steve Reich's, and > > > while we're all fantasizing, would like > > > to see him to a TD-related effort. > > > > > I'll have to give the 'Love on a Real > > > Train' a listening. Reich's 'Music for > > > 18 Musicians' is an awesome piece. > > > One of my favorites! > > > > Alas, I don't think Reich's sentiment towards the group is as > > positive: > > > > 'The whole soundtrack to the film 'Risky Business,' supposedly by a > > group called Tangerine Dream, was an out-and-out rip-off of 'Music > > for 18 Musicians.' I should have sued.' --Steve Reich; June 1, 1986. > > > > 'Come out, come out, come out to shodem, come out, come out to > > shodem...' > > > > -Don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 8:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Well when you do listen to Love on a Real train you'll see that it's very, very close to 18 musicians particularly as the piece begins to develop....although having said that the Reich piece does sound like it's an orchestral version of an EM track. TD have said in an interview that they were influenced by Reich for this particular track...although it's quite interesting that a lot of sequenced EM has a minimalist feel to it anyway. I like Phillip Glass also although I'm not that keen on some of his later works particularly the Bowie collaborations which pretty much sound the same as all of his other post Koyannisquatssi music. Glass has worked with Aphex Twin though, although I haven't heard or seen it for sale anywhere so can't comment on it but it might be interesting...I liked Glass's use of synths on some of Beauty and the Beast though...so maybe it would be an interesting combination teaming him with TD JACK >From: 'Deborah Johnson' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:55:13 -0500 > >Jack: > ><< I'd like to see TD work with somebody interesting like Steve Reich... >after >all they've kind of collaborated in the past given that Risky Business >track >'Love on a Real Train' sounds virtually identical to Reich's earlier Music >for 18 Musicians.... >> > >I am a big fan of Steve Reich's, and while we're all fantasizing, would >like >to see him to a TD-related effort. Phillip Glass's renditions of David >Bowie/Brian Eno work ('Heroes' and 'Low') are very, very nice. The Michael >Nyman Band, with its early music 'Venetian' band sound, would also be >interesting to see in a combo with TD, even though they're not primarily an >EM group. > >I'll have to give the 'Love on a Real Train' a listening. Reich's 'Music >for 18 Musicians' is an awesome piece. One of my favorites! > >Deb H-J >drbjohn@e... > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? i've heard counterpoint...it's very good...usually found on the Different Trains album if anyone is interested...(trains again) jack >From: Synthhtnys@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 03:37:53 EST > > > > I'll have to give the 'Love on a Real Train' a listening. Reich's >'Music > > for 18 Musicians' is an awesome piece. One of my favorites! > > Deb H-J > > drbjohn@e... > >*Yeah, big fan of Reich here too... I've found that the Schmoelling years >had >the >most overt Reich influences... My fav. of Reich is 'Octet' and also has >anyone >heard 'Electric Counterpoint' which was performed by Pat Metheny? If anyone >here >likes Ashra's 'Inventions for electric guitar' you'll probably like it. >Peace, >Poly > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 8:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Future of TD?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Jenkins To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 7:54 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Future of TD?? > > Hi Paul I have a very poor video recording of that line up > performing mojave plan with an orchestra on a german tv prog,they > also performed Kiew Mission on there own. > Cheers Gary > Ps,cannot wait for Max's album Where did you get that from ? Your gonna have to wait for Max`s album I`m afraid .Got a fair bit of paying work to get through first . Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26571 Re: Future of TD?? Gary Jenkins Thu 3/22/2001 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 10:28 pm Subject: reich/td/orb From: 'Deborah Johnson' >I'll have to give the 'Love on a Real Train' a listening. Reich's 'Music for 18 Musicians' is an awesome piece. One of my favorites!< Throw on little fluffy clouds by the orb, too--if you've got it. --t _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26577 Re: reich/td/orb Deborah Johnson Fri 3/23/2001 3 KB 26586 Re: reich/td/orb kevine@c... Fri 3/23/2001 3 KB 26591 Re: reich/td/orb Synthhtnys@a... Fri 3/23/2001 2 KB 26592 Re: reich/td/orb quarlie@a... Sat 3/24/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Mar 21, 2001 10:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Future of TD?? Much to Reich's annoyance. He once talked about suing TD over that soundtrack. Problem is, you can't copyright a style. Still, TD are certainly not among Reich's favourite people. *That's odd.... He let the Orb get away with out and out sampling of 'Electric Counterpoint' on Little Fluffy Clouds.....TD certainly wrote an obvious tribute, but it was their own music..... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Hello everyb. Big fan too of REICH.GLASS.MONTE YOUNG.Myfavourite Reich is 'four organs-phase pattern' & the dble. REICH REMIXED ( very good). Line-up for an hypothetical New T.D.......: 1: P.BAUMANN 2: E.FROESE 3: C. FRANCKE 4: S.SCHROYDER 5:M.ROTHER & K.DINGER;....................only for the Deutsch Line-up 2nd Proposition : 1+2+3+.....R.PINHAS(heldon)B.SZAJNER(zed)............only for french line-up 3rd Propôsition: 1+2+3+.......B.ENO....H.BAINBRIDGE(hawkwind/alman mulo band)...........for english line-up BUT ? For many albums ? I suspect (&understand) some of them refusing to be associate at T.D.(name or style) _________________A BONJOUR from FRANCE to all _______ERICK/Dr.STRANGE______________ From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:29 am Subject: copycats well... the bass line of 'Dolphin Dance' is also a Steve Reich track (don't remember the title). The very name 'Dolphin Dance' is a Herbie Hancock tune on the 60's album 'Maiden Voyage'. And 'Live Miles' is an album of Miles Davis. 'Tangram' is a chinese puzzle. Erm, ok, that one is awright. armin > > 'The whole soundtrack to the film 'Risky Business,' supposedly by a > group called Tangerine Dream, was an out-and-out rip-off of 'Music > for 18 Musicians.' I should have sued.' --Steve Reich; June 1, 1986. > From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:34 am Subject: Re: Froese&Froese top five. I still owe you my Froese&Froese top five. These would be in alphabetical order (ignoring articles): Hollywood Years Vol. I Oasis Seven Letters of Tibet Tournado Tyranny of Beauty Hope ToB qualifies as it should be Froese&Froese&Spa. Whatever happened to her? armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26572 Re: Froese&Froese top five. glynn_naughton@h... Thu 3/22/2001 3 KB 26582 Re: Froese&Froese top five. Armin Theissen Fri 3/23/2001 3 KB 26581 Re: Froese&Froese top five. Matthew Stringer Fri 3/23/2001 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 7:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness hey all... > As for Jerome's 'goth' hair...it's is so old that it's almost cool again. i never thought about it like this before, but one's gotta smile when thinking about Jerome doing 'Hot, Hot, Hot!!!' and 'The Forest', going on tour with the rest of the gang while ole Rob takes a break... look here: http://www.ahimsa.net/thecure/ wouldn't jerome just fit right in?` ;) j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 7:29 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Views, scorchers and Logos pitch bending...... just for the record, merriam-webster points this out about amateurs and professionals: professional: a) participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs b) having a particular profession as a permanent career c) engaged in by persons receiving financial return amateur: one lacking in experience and competence in an art or science that being said, although music can be created mathematically, scientifically, or to an exact set of regulations/rules, and a such, judged against these rules for erudite masterbatory elucidation, music has never been listened to for these reasons... and with mastering and production accounting for an enormous amount of how a piece sounds, esp. electronically, ofttimes a 'professional' piece simply sounds that way because someone had the clout and cash to have it produced by a master engineer... in these days of bedroom studios, the master recording engineer is becoming a scarce resource, but one that should not be overlooked... all music has to be judged on it's own merits, against itself, for each and every listener... either you like it or you don't... but one's opinion, regardless of background, does not make a piece of music 'good' or 'bad'... these are subjective terms and putting them forth as facts only points out one's fixed viewpoint... just because someone can earn a living at their music doesn't make their music any 'better' than someone who's only managed to get 100 of their CDs out there... not in this day and age of mega-marketing... to quote Bloom County's Opus: 'If two million people do a stupid thing, it's still a stupid thing.' j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 5:34 pm Subject: reich/hoenig solo.... One never knows--perhaps some of the hoenig material will get released in the future. Besides there is that additional connection with franke via agitation free. Reich: I've seen electric counterpoint years ago unf, reich didn't use pat metheny live (I've seen P.M., too)--it was a different guitarist performing to a backing track. they did part of drumming and a metallophone piece, too (name escapes me...). I recently saw (last year I think) Music for 18 Musicians live at the SF Symphony--simply amazing. Audience gave wild applause. Part of his Hindenburg multi-media piece (a work in progress) was also performed including the film that his film-maker wife has assembled. Alas, too political as he seems to be these days. And there was merely polite applause after that piece. --Thomas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 4:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness 'j.gordon' wrote: > > As for Jerome's 'goth' hair...it's is so old that it's almost cool again. > > i never thought about it like this before, but one's gotta smile when thinking > about Jerome doing 'Hot, Hot, Hot!!!' and 'The Forest', going on tour with the > rest of the gang while ole Rob takes a break... This resemblance is not coincidental. Back in the days of the old TDIFC, it was reported on at least a couple of occasions that Jerome was a big Cure fan. He was also a big Van Halen fan though, and thankfully he never adopted that band's preference for spandex. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 6:36 pm Subject: Re: Future of TD?? --- In tadream@y..., 'lawlermusic' wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Jenkins > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 7:54 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Future of TD?? > > > > > Hi Paul I have a very poor video recording of that line up > > performing mojave plan with an orchestra on a german tv prog,they > > also performed Kiew Mission on there own. > > Cheers Gary > > Ps,cannot wait for Max's album > > Where did you get that from ? Your gonna have to wait for Max`s album I`m > afraid .Got a fair bit of paying work to get through first . > > Hi Paul got the video from some EM catologue sent through the post probably got my address from being a member of TDIFC back in the late eighties. The Video also as polish tv footage of the Poland concert and snippets of other em artists performing Klaus Schulze,Robert Schroder,Richard Wahnfried,Klaus Kruger,Popol Vuh,Baffo Banfi and Din A Testbild. Cheers Gary From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:43 pm Subject: Re: Froese&Froese top five. --- In tadream@y..., 'Armin Theissen' wrote: > > Hope ToB qualifies as it should be Froese&Froese&Spa. Whatever > happened to her? > > armin She started getting perilously close to 30 and started to lose her fresh-faced gorgeous looks, as the inner photo on _Goblins Club_ shows. Hence: no more use as eye-candy. Talk about tyranny of beauty. Actually, I don't really believe that, although the thought did flit through my mind when she first 'left'. Still, it makes a good conspiracy theory... Anyway, I'm moving to Paris tomorrow so likely to drop out of circulation for a while. Should re-emerge in a month or so...if not, see you all at Shepherd's Bush. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26582 Re: Froese&Froese top five. Armin Theissen Fri 3/23/2001 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 9:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Can you imagine Jerome in spandex leotards ? :-D LMAO ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Sean Montgomery' To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness > > > 'j.gordon' wrote: > > > > As for Jerome's 'goth' hair...it's is so old that it's almost cool again. > > > > i never thought about it like this before, but one's gotta smile when thinking > > about Jerome doing 'Hot, Hot, Hot!!!' and 'The Forest', going on tour with the > > rest of the gang while ole Rob takes a break... > > This resemblance is not coincidental. Back in the days of the old TDIFC, it was > reported on at least a couple of occasions that Jerome was a big Cure fan. He was > also a big Van Halen fan though, and thankfully he never adopted that band's > preference for spandex. > > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Nigbur D Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 10:27 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? How do you lot know which tracks are written by whom? Edgar and Jerome normally share composing credits for each piece on every album, so it would be difficult to tell. That is, unless you want to subscribe to one of those rather simplistic and inaccurate algorithms of Jerome=techno and Edgar=Mozart and funny noodling. I have no doubt that Edgar's style has changed over the last thirty-odd years, and Jerome's hasn't remained static since 1990 either. What is happening in TD - and what has always happened - is the process of mutual feedbacking and integration of musical ideas (even though some people disagree with that...I admit that Edgar has probably had more compliant collaborators since 1987 than before, but that doesn't mean that the new collaborators don't contribute at all). I, for one, would be very interested in seeing an authorised analysis of where the contributions come from, and I'm almost certain that some surprises will be in store for those who think they know the workings of TD inside out. Dennis > ---------- > From: lawlermusic[SMTP:lawlermusic@s...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 16 March 2001 18:43 > To: tadream > Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg > To: > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 11:15 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > > > > Edgar has been very good at picking the right guys for the job (Jerome > is > > probably the only member that people would argue with > > and yet when people talk about the only tracks they like on the new TD > albums , they mostly mention the tracks that Jerome wrote . > Eds sections and style have remained the same since time began so there`s > no > problems knowing which bits to fast forward . Jerome (techno style aside , > although i dont mind it) is in my opinion the only driving force behind TD > . > He can actually write melodies and structured chord sequences etc .Only > problem is , is that he doesn`t do it too often , and Ed just noodles like > a > mad old woman . > I`m guessing that star trooper will be nothing more than the kind of > classical covers found on Ambient Monkeys. In other words , playing the > piano score on bad orchestral keyboard sounds . > I hope he proves me wrong . > > > Paul > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Nigbur D Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 10:45 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness And thank God for people like TD who aren't even trying to be stylish or fashionable! Seriously, I see a lot of wisdom in waiting until the popular enthusiasm for a style of music has ebbed off, before sitting back and trying to integrate the most interesting aspects into an attempt at 'timeless' music. It might not be cool or hip or commercially viable, but it is refreshingly eclectic and musically wise. Dennis > ---------- > From: Sean Montgomery[SMTP:sean@t...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 17 March 2001 22:27 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness > > > > glynn_naughton@h... wrote: > > > It still amazes me that in 1987 they could countenance making an album > of > > William Blake poetry done in the same style as those dreadful songs that > > Shirley Bassey used to sing on 'Sunday Night at the Royal > Palladium'-style > > shows back in the tacky 'ole 70s ('Tyger') or spoken in the manner of an > > over-serious teenager trying to put some drama into a poetry recital > > ('London'). > > > > Then again, I've a sneaking admiration for the early 90s incarnation > > of TD (a grumpy old bloke and his fat son together with some friends > > with ripped leather jackets and Marhsall amplifiers all pretending to > > be Guns 'n' Roses). > > Ha ha ha ha! Those two paragraphs are just priceless. > > It's true though...for a band which still claims to be 'visionary' and > 'leading edge', it's amazing how often TD has struck five years too late. > Cyclone was their 'prog rock' album at a time when they should have been > new > wave. Tyger and Melrose were their New Age albums when they should have > been > techno. 220 Volt was their Hair Band album when it should have been > alternative. Now they're going dance club when the most adventurous bands > are doing Can-influenced post rock. The lack of fashionability comes > across > in the band's appearance too. I mean Edgar...lose the mullet and aviator > shades. As for Jerome's 'goth' hair...it's is so old that it's almost > cool > again. I imagine it's about time for a neon-colour-legwarmers 80s > revival. > > But you know what? I don't care whether TD is 'fashionable' or breaking > new > ground, as long as the music's good. The problem for me is that over the > past ten years, their music has often failed to meet that one criterion. > If > I hadn't become a fan of TD back in the 80s, there's no way that I'd be > buying their stuff now. > > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Nigbur D Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 10:37 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? I'm not too familiar with the EM music scene in general, but I get the impression that few of the people who have joined TD in the past were EM musicians to begin with. Klaus Schulze and Chris Franke were drummers, Paul Haslinger came straight out of the classical school, Johannes Schmoelling was a theatre technician, et cetera. It probably wouldn't do TD much good if they had someone joining who had already made his/her name in EM. It would be much more interesting and productive to find a musician who is eager to integrate his ideas into the electronic field. Dennis > ---------- > From: Deborah Johnson[SMTP:drbjohn@e...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 17 March 2001 02:37 > To: tadream > Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > > Dennis: > > > Are Emil and Zlatko still with TD, and if so, can they be considered > full > > members of TD? Neither of them appear to contribute compositionally, so > if > > Edgar leaves the addition of another member would be inevitable. I can't > > imagine Jerome wanting to do all the composing himself...the appeal of > TD, > > after all, has always been the integration of the many different > composers' > > ideas. > > If you could have your pick of anyone out there doing EM music today, who > would you pick to join Jerome when/if Edgar retires? > > Just curious... > > Deb H-J > drbjohn@e... > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 3:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] reich/td/orb Tei Waz: << Throw on little fluffy clouds by the orb, too--if you've got it. >> I have ONE Orb album ('Orbus Terrarum'), and haven't gotten the urge yet to rush out and buy more. Guess my age is showing ;o} On the other hand, I haven't traded it in (yet) at the used CD stores so I can afford my TD habit! On the other hand, the one album that my son and husband won't let me play while they're in the house is Reich's 'Three Movements for Orchestra.' Guess I've sort of overdone that one a time or two. My husband likes most TD, but draws the line at their earlier works, like 'Atem', which is one of my favorites. Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 2:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Jack: << I like Phillip Glass also although I'm not that keen on some of his later works particularly the Bowie collaborations which pretty much sound the same as all of his other post Koyannisquatssi music. >> Have you heard the Phillip Glass/Uakti collaboration on 'Aguas de Amazonia'? It's about as different sounding from his orchestra work as you can get, and its absolutely beautiful. Whatever else you can say about Glass, he keeps pulling suprises like the Cocteau inspired 'Beauty and the Beast' and his recent rerecording of the Bela Lugosi's 'Dracula' from the 30's. Very interesting stuff, at least to my ears. I think that when all is said and done, Glass is going to turn out to be a keeper. The more I read about and listen to TD, the more I think the group (in its many incarnations) can be talked of in the same way that you talk about a 'classical' composer who goes through different creative periods, some better and some worse. Maybe in the 21st century we can finally do away with the distinction between popular and unpopular culture as some sort of dividing line of artistic merit. Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 9:33 am Subject: TD wish Well now that the UStour has been postponed, I sure wish TD could be added to next month's festival near Palm Springs (Indio). http://208.242.114.231/coachella/ They'd definitely have a wide audience for that show. Acts are still being booked and live DM3 could really be tested there. Squarepusher and Plaid have just been added. There's gonna be so many US techno fans there.... OK, how 'bout just DJRome? :) --T (KEEPing the dream alive) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26612 Re: TD wish Feldon Feldon Mon 3/26/2001 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 9:25 am Subject: as I suspected re:US tour 2001 from the tdi music mall: >The U.S.A. tour had to be postponed until late October 2001, we will update >the information on this site as soon as dates are definite, so keep coming back here regularly. unf, as I suspected--but there's still hope for october... --Thomas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 10:22 am Subject: Re: Froese&Froese top five. 1. Turn Of the Tides 2. 220Volts 3. Oasis 4. Tyranny Of Beauty 5. Sorry can't think if a 5th! From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 8:34 am Subject: Re: Froese&Froese top five. > > > > Hope ToB qualifies as it should be Froese&Froese&Spa. Whatever > > happened to her? > > > > armin > > She started getting perilously close to 30 and started to lose her > fresh-faced gorgeous looks, as the inner photo on _Goblins Club_ > shows. Hence: no more use as eye-candy. Talk about tyranny of beauty. too bad.... I have a strong preference for women who passed 30... ;-) > Anyway, I'm moving to Paris tomorrow so likely to drop out of lucky you! I happen to be there quite often, and would love to move there at some stage, too... the FNAC in Les Halles is a really good CD shop! Once you figured out how they're sorted. Scanned their Krautrock section and they had just everything! Only shop I've ever seen Froese's 'Ages'. And all that 'Cosmic Courier' stuff. Everything of Ashra. > circulation for a while. Should re-emerge in a month or so...if not, > see you all at Shepherd's Bush. > > Glynn From: Victor Rek Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 3:02 am Subject: Open Air Concert in Warsaw Check out the TD webpage. A new concert has been added for Warsaw, Poland. It is open air - sound very interesting. It's scheduled for September 1st, 2001. Also September 1st, 1939 happens to be the beginning of World War II when the Germans invaded Poland. I wonder if this is just a coincidence? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26584 Re: Open Air Concert in Warsaw Roger Hartopp Fri 3/23/2001 2 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 7:30 pm Subject: Re: Open Air Concert in Warsaw --- In tadream@y..., Victor Rek wrote: > Check out the TD webpage. A new concert has been added for Warsaw, > Poland. It is open air - sound very interesting. It's scheduled for > September 1st, 2001. Also September 1st, 1939 happens to be the > beginning of World War II when the Germans invaded Poland. I wonder if > this is just a coincidence? Regardless as to whether it's a coincidence or not, I hope to be there, although my plans for the Summer are still uncertain as I may be working in Britain during this time. As it's an open-air event, Vic, you might well have some idea as to where in the city it's going to be held. The Kayah concert in Krakow last year was open-air (on the blonie), and thus was free. I wonder if this will be the case too (free, that is)? This is one concert I should be able to get my wife to go to... Roger From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 6:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? Dream Mixes I, II Flashflood & Waterbourne (Oasis ST) Title Theme and End Theme (Zoning 1996 redo) and a few other snips are either directly credited to Jerome, or are so clearly done by him, nobody can deny it. These are also my favorite TD tracks over the last few years. >From: Nigbur D >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:27:22 -0000 > >How do you lot know which tracks are written by whom? Edgar and Jerome >normally share composing credits for each piece on every album, so it would >be difficult to tell. That is, unless you want to subscribe to one of those >rather simplistic and inaccurate algorithms of Jerome=techno and >Edgar=Mozart and funny noodling. I guess Edgar's style has changed to some degree. But he still thinks it can be done solo without an opposing influence. I have recently fallen in love with most of Edgar's solo works. I think that even though Edgar would tell you it's solo work, the three-person sound comes through on all of it. It might say Solo on the label, but it's a trio's mindset. I don't agree that vintage TD was 'Edgar's sound' alone. More damning is to hear 2-3 EF solo tracks played live at the 1981 Tangerine Dream tours. Sobornost I already knew about, but there's another track (Which escapes my memory at the time) or two as well. It's really a crossover situation. I for one do not think that TD is Edgar alone. But yet that's the 'cold fusion' (to steal a term) TD has been trying to run on for the last years. 'We can do it alone, we don't need bothersome/troublesome opposing influences'. Now, Edgar has no group to answer to, he and TD are synonymous. Sorry for the rant. When we gripe about something, it could be because we care, instead of just walking away from it. You sell a car you don't like, you keep working on one that maybe *used* to bring you joy until you can't anymore... -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: kevine@c... Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 6:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] reich/td/orb Before this thread scrolls off, I thought I would recommend the following: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/30/terry_riley.html where you can download a copy of Terry Rileys 'A Rainbow in Curved Air'. This 18minute long piece is a good introduction to Minimalism. Terry Riley, Steve Reich and Philip Glass are the 'big 3' when it comes to this style of music. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support From: Tom Richmond Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 5:37 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree Hey! Bet you didn't expect to hear from me this soon again. Got a message from Joe S. and he's shipping today, so branches should see their discs early next week. Hopefully that works for everyone. Also, there are a great many tree participants I haven't heard from yet. I'd like to verify the entire tree to be sure there are no other leaves dying on the vine, so to speak. Someone who has a copy please feel free to discuss the music! I'm sure the contributors would like to hear your opinions. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26589 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree Frank Arellano Fri 3/23/2001 4 KB 26590 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree joes@f... Fri 3/23/2001 3 KB From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 12:18 am Subject: One more TD concert... Anyone has already seen this on the updated official TDI Homepage... (with a special event for Vic, heh... ;-) ) -- 'TD concert dates 2001 (update)!!' May 12th 2001 - London/U.K. - Shepherds Bush Empire September 1st 2001 - Warsaw/Poland - 'Most beautiful rock for peace' (Big Open Air event in the heart of Warsaw) October 7th 2001 - Bernau bei Berlin/Germany - 'Alte Musik Festival' - Experimental Music Day - Premiere of 'Inferno' (in a church) - There will be two shows on that same evening!!! The U.S.A. tour had to be postponed until late October 2001, we will update the information on this site as soon as dates are definite, so keep coming back here regularly. Greetings Peter From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 8:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales tree Awww.... so our fearless leader [Joe S.] was the culprit who took the tongue lashing :-D ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Tom Richmond' To: ; Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales tree > Hey! > > Bet you didn't expect to hear from me this soon again. > > Got a message from Joe S. and he's shipping today, so branches should see > their discs early next week. > Hopefully that works for everyone. > > Also, there are a great many tree participants I haven't heard from yet. > I'd like to verify the entire tree to be sure there are no other leaves > dying on the vine, so to speak. > > Someone who has a copy please feel free to discuss the music! I'm sure the > contributors would like to hear your opinions. > > Cheers! > > Tom > > ___________________________ > IMPORTANT NOTICE: > This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26590 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree joes@f... Fri 3/23/2001 3 KB From: joes@f... Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 8:41 pm Subject: Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree eesh... yes, sorry. not to make excuses, but I added a bunch of files to disk 3 , which was only about 80 megs of artwork(I was having trouble obtaining them due to FTP problems but they're burnt now). I hope you will consider the extra files worth the wait. Joe --- In tadream@y..., 'Frank Arellano' wrote: > Awww.... so our fearless leader [Joe S.] was the culprit who took the > tongue lashing :-D > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Tom Richmond' > To: ; > From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] reich/td/orb > I have ONE Orb album ('Orbus Terrarum'), and haven't gotten the urge yet to > rush out and buy more. Guess my age is showing ;o} *actually IMO that one is pretty weak. I'd recommend 'UFOrb.' Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 3:22 am Subject: Re: reich/td/orb In a message dated 3/23/01 11:49:31 AM, drbjohn@e... writes: >I have ONE Orb album ('Orbus Terrarum'), and haven't gotten the urge yet >to rush out and buy more. It may be worth noting that the Orb's sound changes somewhat from album to album. Maybe a bit like TD in that sense. --Daniel NP: the Orb--Cydonia (purely coincidentally) From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? >From: 'Deborah Johnson' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:49:03 -0500 > > >Have you heard the Phillip Glass/Uakti collaboration on 'Aguas de >Amazonia'? >It's about as different sounding from his orchestra work as you can get, >and >its absolutely beautiful. I've not heard of this piece before, when was it composed? Whatever else you can say about Glass, he keeps >pulling suprises like the Cocteau inspired 'Beauty and the Beast' and his >recent rerecording of the Bela Lugosi's 'Dracula' from the 30's. Very >interesting stuff, at least to my ears. I agree that they're good but they don't inspire me as much as some of his earlier work....I think that The Civil Wars music is some of his best recent work though. I think that when all is said and >done, Glass is going to turn out to be a keeper. > >The more I read about and listen to TD, the more I think the group (in its >many incarnations) can be talked of in the same way that you talk about a >'classical' composer who goes through different creative periods, some >better and some worse. The main difference here though IMO is that TD's good and bad periods tend to depend on the line-up and not the creative ups and downs of the individual. Maybe in the 21st century we can finally do away >with the distinction between popular and unpopular culture as some sort of >dividing line of artistic merit. It's a nice thought but i don't think that it's very likely to happen. High art is accessible on many levels despite what people claim, it's just that it often requires a little work on behalf of the spectator in order to engage with it and most people can't be bothered. I was wondering though, do you consider TD to be a part of Popular Culture or what you term as Unpopular culture? I'm not really sure of the answer to this one. jack _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 2:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? >From: Nigbur D >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [tadream] Future of TD?? >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:37:20 -0000 > >I'm not too familiar with the EM music scene in general, but I get the >impression that few of the people who have joined TD in the past were EM >musicians to begin with. Klaus Schulze and Chris Franke were drummers, Paul >Haslinger came straight out of the classical school, Johannes Schmoelling >was a theatre technician, et cetera. > I always though that Schmoelling was a classical pianist? Am I confusing that imformation with Haslinger? I suppose that when Schulze and Franke joined TD there wasn't much of an EM scene anyway, although I agree with what you're saying it would be an interesting idea to bring in an EM outsider to TD.....something needs to be done if they are ever going to produce a decent album again....unfortunately.. jack _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'tei waz' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 3:21 pm Subject: OT: OT and flashbacks Apologies for that last email, I was the one having a flashback apparently. >I have ONE Orb album ('Orbus Terrarum'), and haven't gotten the urge yet >to rush out and buy more. I'd agree, that disc is weak. If that was the first one I bought, I'd prolly share that sentiment. Try adventures beyond the ultraworld. Either the UK or the US versions which are different from each other, but similar. --T np Orb Once More Mark Pritchard Mix _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26596 Re: OT: OT and flashbacks E Neal Frost Sat 3/24/2001 3 KB 26598 Re: OT: OT and flashbacks Frank Arellano Sat 3/24/2001 4 KB 26599 Re: OT: OT and flashbacks É. Rocho Sat 3/24/2001 2 KB 26602 Re: OT: OT and flashbacks Mark Coyle Sat 3/24/2001 2 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 3:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: OT and flashbacks Hello All, Since we are venturing a little beyond TD for some electronic music discussions. I have heard a little about a band called 'Delirium' (If I am spelling it right). Anyone on the list heard of this band? Any reviews or suggestions which CDs I might start with? Thanks for the help. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:21 AM Subject: [tadream] OT: OT and flashbacks > Apologies for that last email, I was the one having a flashback apparently. > > >I have ONE Orb album ('Orbus Terrarum'), and haven't gotten the urge yet > >to rush out and buy more. > > I'd agree, that disc is weak. If that was the first one I bought, I'd prolly > share that sentiment. Try adventures beyond the ultraworld. > Either the UK or the US versions which are different from each other, but > similar. > > > > --T > > np Orb Once More Mark Pritchard Mix > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 3:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Jack: The Phillip Glass/Uakti collaboration on 'Aguas de Amazonia' is a 1999 piece. The Uakti group is primarily a percussion ensemble that uses Amazonian instruments together with standard woodwinds and keyboards to get a sound that is downright romantic and sensual, which are not exactly the usual words you use to describe Phillip Glass. > The main difference here though IMO is that TD's good and bad periods tend > to depend on the line-up and not the creative ups and downs of the > individual. TD is a group/band, but the nature of a lot of arguments here make it seem like Edgar Froese and whoever was working with him at the time. My thought is whether TD as a group/band could be seen in the same light as an individual composer (like Riech or Glass). Uakti is a persussion group performing a piece composed by Phillip Glass, but Glass is still the composer. Whatever else you can say about Edgar Froese, he isn't the 'composer' of TD. Maybe the orchestrator or adaptor, but not the composer. TD is an entity unto itself, at least in the minds of fans. > It's a nice thought but i don't think that it's very likely to happen. High > art is accessible on many levels despite what people claim, it's just that > it often requires a little work on behalf of the spectator in order to > engage with it and most people can't be bothered. I was wondering though, > do you consider TD to be a part of Popular Culture or what you term as > Unpopular culture? I'm not really sure of the answer to this one. As much as I like Reich and Glass, I don't know of a group on the internet where folks who have been afficionados of the guys for decades know all the minutiae of their careers, collect all their music in various forms, argue the pros and cons of different ways the music is presented, and anticipate their concerts as major life events. Before I stumbled on this e-group, I sampled various others over the years, and none have quite the level of interest and intensity for a composer/group I like. Does this make TD 'popular' and Reich and Glass 'unpopular'? In my misspent youth I got a bachelor's and master's degree in Popular Culture studies with an emphasis on media like comic books, films, and television. I also have an extensive background in music, art, and historical architecture and drive my friends nuts when I visit metropolitan museums. I've always felt Popular Culture to be the culture of contemporary technology driven societies, sort of the esthetics of contemporary anthropology/sociology. It's the old idea that the medium is the message, and in the case of TD, I think you have a merging of esthetics and technology that is inseparable. One reason I find them fascinating. Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 6:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: OT and flashbacks Neal, I've got their 'Semantic Spaces', which I definitely would recommend. BTW, I believe it's spelled Delerium. I'll see if I can dig up some more specific info on them and forward it to you. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'E Neal Frost' To: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: OT and flashbacks > Hello All, > > Since we are venturing a little beyond TD for some electronic music > discussions. I have heard a little about a band called 'Delirium' (If I am > spelling it right). Anyone on the list heard of this band? Any reviews or > suggestions which CDs I might start with? > > Thanks for the help. > > Neal > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'tei waz' > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:21 AM > Subject: [tadream] OT: OT and flashbacks > > > > Apologies for that last email, I was the one having a flashback > apparently. > > > > >I have ONE Orb album ('Orbus Terrarum'), and haven't gotten the urge yet > > >to rush out and buy more. > > > > I'd agree, that disc is weak. If that was the first one I bought, I'd > prolly > > share that sentiment. Try adventures beyond the ultraworld. > > Either the UK or the US versions which are different from each other, but > > similar. > > > > > > > > --T > > > > np Orb Once More Mark Pritchard Mix > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: É. Rochon Date: Wed Mar 24, 1999 7:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: OT and flashbacks Hi Folks Karma from Delerium is great too !! A bit on the pop side but it has loads of emotions ! Éric From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 8:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? > >The Phillip Glass/Uakti collaboration on 'Aguas de Amazonia' is a 1999 >piece. The Uakti group is primarily a percussion ensemble that uses >Amazonian instruments together with standard woodwinds and keyboards to get >a sound that is downright romantic and sensual, which are not exactly the >usual words you use to describe Phillip Glass. Hi Deborah Thanks for this imformation I'll try and track this piece down. Wouldn't you describe any of the post 1974 music of Phillip Glass as being Romantic? > > > The main difference here though IMO is that TD's good and bad periods >tend > > to depend on the line-up and not the creative ups and downs of the > > individual. > >TD is a group/band, but the nature of a lot of arguments here make it seem >like Edgar Froese and whoever was working with him at the time. My thought >is whether TD as a group/band could be seen in the same light as an >individual composer (like Riech or Glass). Uakti is a persussion group >performing a piece composed by Phillip Glass, but Glass is still the >composer. Whatever else you can say about Edgar Froese, he isn't the >'composer' of TD. Maybe the orchestrator or adaptor, but not the composer. >TD is an entity unto itself, at least in the minds of fans. Chris Franke was the musical driving force behind TD....after he left Froese luckily had the talented Paul Haslinger to bail him out...and after Haslinger jumped ship...well, you've heard the results. I'm not really sure what Edgars role is in TD, I've always guessed he was the business side because he seems to be musically challenged to say the least. It's an interesting thought you have though as to whether a group of like-minded composers can be judged in the same light as an individual. I suppose it depends as to whether or not you subscribe to notions of genius and authorship. > > > It's a nice thought but i don't think that it's very likely to happen. >High > > art is accessible on many levels despite what people claim, it's just >that > > it often requires a little work on behalf of the spectator in order to > > engage with it and most people can't be bothered. I was wondering >though, > > do you consider TD to be a part of Popular Culture or what you term as > > Unpopular culture? I'm not really sure of the answer to this one. > >As much as I like Reich and Glass, I don't know of a group on the internet >where folks who have been afficionados of the guys for decades know all the >minutiae of their careers, collect all their music in various forms, argue >the pros and cons of different ways the music is presented, and anticipate >their concerts as major life events. Before I stumbled on this e-group, I >sampled various others over the years, and none have quite the level of >interest and intensity for a composer/group I like. Does this make TD >'popular' and Reich and Glass 'unpopular'? I think that Glass and Reich (Glass in particular) can draw crowds to the their concerts in a way that TD can only dream of these days. The way I understood your use of the phrases 'popular' and 'unpopular' was as substitutes for 'low' and 'high' culture. Which made me wonder where TD fitted in. > >In my misspent youth I got a bachelor's and master's degree in Popular >Culture studies with an emphasis on media like comic books, films, and >television. I also have an extensive background in music, art, and >historical architecture and drive my friends nuts when I visit metropolitan >museums. I've always felt Popular Culture to be the culture of >contemporary >technology driven societies, sort of the esthetics of contemporary >anthropology/sociology. It's the old idea that the medium is the message, >and in the case of TD, I think you have a merging of esthetics and >technology that is inseparable. One reason I find them fascinating. So are you saying you feel that TD are representitive of popular culture?...if so how do you feel about Stockhausen - another figure that merges aesthetics and technology yet understandably is viewed as part of the high cultural establishment? IMO, TD seem to exist on a plateux that wobbles unsteadily between high and low culture...I think that in the end they have borrowed from the eximous hights of contemporary music and merged it with the popular aesthetics of rock music where their true origins lie. JACK _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 8:48 pm Subject: Half off topic: TD rarities for used computer parts Hi all, I'm supposed to upgrade a few 'old' (2-4 years) computers in my family and would need a few used (but ok) parts from relieable sources (that's you ;-) I offer to swap against material from my swap and sales list. So, if you want to get rid of some old iron, contact me ! Wanted: DVD-ROM drive, internal, SCSI, 2x Speed min. 2 hard disks, IDE, 2 GB min, 4-8 GB preferred LS-120 'Superdisk' floppy drive + 5-10 media best regards, klaus From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 9:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: OT and flashbacks Hi > Karma from Delerium is great too !! A bit on the pop side but it has loads > of emotions ! Is this the same Delerium as was the spin-off non-industrial project from Skinny Puppy, designed for electronic dance pop music? cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 10:51 pm Subject: Re: Delerium E Neal Frost wrote: > I have heard a little about a band called 'Delirium' (If I am spelling it > right). Anyone on the list heard of this band? Any reviews or suggestions > which CDs I might start with? I think Karma is their best album. They began (and this will answer Mark Coyle's question) as an offshoot of another Canadian industrial band called Frontline Assembly, doing scary instrumental soundscapes with sampled ethnic voices. In fact, some regard these early albums, like 'Faces, Forms and Illusions', as their definitive work. At any rate, starting with Semantic Spaces, they began to incorporate conventional female vocals, Enigma-like monk samples, and comtemporary dance beats. It was a successful formula, that they've repeated ever since. It's similar in mindset to what Paul Haslinger did for his first two solo albums. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26604 Re: Delerium Phil White Sat 3/24/2001 2 KB 26605 Re: Delerium Mark Coyle Sat 3/24/2001 3 KB 26607 Re: Delerium quarlie@a... Sun 3/25/2001 2 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 11:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Delerium Hi All, As a follow up to the Delerium thread anyone who is getting into the works of Leeb and Fuller and likes Delerium but finds Frontline Assembly too intimidating should try another of these prolific guys incarnations: Synaesthesia. They have 3 ( well at least I have three ) CD releases 'Desideratum', 'Embody' and 'Ephemeral'. Desideratum is a double album of IMO essential listening for any fan of 'quality' synth music with a distinct nod toward TD among others... check it out for yourselves it'll be worth the trip...... It's on the Hypnotic label a division of Cleopatra Records in Los Angeles. ATB Phil NP. Desideratum ! From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 11:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Delerium Hi > I think Karma is their best album. They began (and this will answer Mark > Coyle's question) as an offshoot of another Canadian industrial band called > Frontline Assembly, doing scary instrumental soundscapes with sampled ethnic > voices. In fact, some regard these early albums, like 'Faces, Forms and > Illusions', as their definitive work. I had some of their early albums, very nice. Now then FLA are/were an awesome band (my interest dates from 1989/90, Caustic Grip - what an astounding album) but there were a number of other spin-offs that I remember buying up to about 1993 by them. Often these were more accessible than the main work and of quite an interest to EM fans. Particularly Intermix which is quite KW influenced and linear. Anyone know where I can get Clock DVAs - Buried Dreams. Now that was scary music. Their 'The Hacker' was a classic. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 11:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Froese&Froese top five. So who recorded the saxophone overlays on the Werner Saleenbinder track on i-Box? This was released (and must have been recorded) in 2000. -Morgan >From: glynn_naughton@h... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Re: Froese&Froese top five. >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:43:29 -0000 > >--- In tadream@y..., 'Armin Theissen' wrote: > > > > Hope ToB qualifies as it should be Froese&Froese&Spa. Whatever > > happened to her? > > > > armin > >She started getting perilously close to 30 and started to lose her >fresh-faced gorgeous looks, as the inner photo on _Goblins Club_ >shows. Hence: no more use as eye-candy. Talk about tyranny of beauty. > >Actually, I don't really believe that, although the thought did flit >through my mind when she first 'left'. Still, it makes a good >conspiracy theory... > >Anyway, I'm moving to Paris tomorrow so likely to drop out of >circulation for a while. Should re-emerge in a month or so...if not, >see you all at Shepherd's Bush. > >Glynn > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26630 Re: Froese&Froese top five. glynn_naughton@h... Fri 3/30/2001 2 KB 26631 Re: Froese&Froese top five. goozer@a... Fri 3/30/2001 2 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 3:25 am Subject: Re: Delerium In a message dated 3/24/01 5:45:32 PM, sean@t... writes: >I think Karma is their best album. My personal favorite is their most recent release, 'Poem.' It's even more pop-oriented than the previous two albums but it has some really gorgeous songs. And then, in a message dated 3/24/01 7:03:16 PM, markcoyleuk@y... writes: >Now then FLA are/were an awesome band >(my interest dates from 1989/90, Caustic Grip - what an astounding album) I haven't heard much of the earlier FLA material (just 'Tactical Neural Implant,' actually), but I think their 1999 album 'Implode' is just awesome. --Daniel From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 2:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Future of TD?? Jack: << I think that in the end they have borrowed from the eximous hights of contemporary music and merged it with the popular aesthetics of rock music where their true origins lie. >> I think this says it best. It's the reason I was so excited to discover them and look forward to hearing more of their CD's (past and present). Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 6:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness I have to disagree. TD was innovative and fresh, up until about 1987. They've been 4-5 years behind ever since, and they HAVE been trying to follow the trend no matter how much they deny it. Frankly, I think it would be great to hear Jerome do some dance music that's new and refreshing. Certainly not under the name TD, and certainly not in the style of the DM3 sample up at dream-mixes.de so far. And I have to agree with Sean here. I became enamored with TD because of seeing the movie Miracle Mile. And I stumbled across Turn of the Tides and then Rockoon. But I don't think I became a rabid TD fan until I heard Logos and Phaedra. -Morgan >From: Nigbur D >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:45:51 -0000 > >And thank God for people like TD who aren't even trying to be stylish or >fashionable! > >Seriously, I see a lot of wisdom in waiting until the popular enthusiasm >for >a style of music has ebbed off, before sitting back and trying to integrate >the most interesting aspects into an attempt at 'timeless' music. It might >not be cool or hip or commercially viable, but it is refreshingly eclectic >and musically wise. > >Dennis > > > If > > I hadn't become a fan of TD back in the 80s, there's no way that I'd be > > buying their stuff now. > > > > > > -- > > SEAN MONTGOMERY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26610 SV: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness Pergamon Sun 3/25/2001 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 5:39 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: DM3 and TD Naffness > I became enamored with TD because of > seeing the movie Miracle Mile. > -Morgan What a great movie. Maaaann!!! this poor guy, talk about stress. Throughout the entire movie this poor chap is running around figuring out 'what the hell happened???' getting hold of his loved ones, and the clock is just ticking away. And one of the best part is the ending. Not one of those 'happy-LALA-hollywood-endings'. If anyone haven't seen this movie ..........can't believe that on this list =) SEE IT!!!! Regards Jan From: 'tei waz' Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 3:08 pm Subject: sucky digest mode >[tadream] Digest Number 838 flashbacks of Digest Number 837. It worked better as egroups. Hmm, methinks yahoogroups is getting sucky.... Hail, corporate takeovers! --twz np Dreamwatchers Tales _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 23, 2001 6:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD wish Indeed, since TD are going All Dance All The Time they should go to a DJ show. Although, hate to say it, Jerome hasn't proven to me yet that he can run with the big dogs like Paul Oakenfold. -Morgan >From: 'tei waz' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com, tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com >CC: teiwazbarana@h... >Subject: [tadream] TD wish >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:33:32 -0800 > >Well now that the UStour has been postponed, I sure wish TD could be added >to next month's festival near Palm Springs (Indio). > >http://208.242.114.231/coachella/ > >They'd definitely have a wide audience for that show. Acts are still being >booked and live DM3 could really be tested there. > >Squarepusher and Plaid have just been added. There's gonna >be so many US techno fans there.... OK, how 'bout just DJRome? :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Future of TD: Robert Carty? On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:44:16 -0000 'Jack Kramer' writes: >[. . .] I agree with what you're saying it would be an >interesting idea to bring in an EM outsider to TD..... >something needs to be done if they are ever going to >produce a decent album again.... unfortunately.. Hmmm, how about an accomplished, multi-talented, self-produced, unsigned ambient genious: Robert Carty? This is a guy as good as Michael Rother and as versatile as Mike Oldfield. I think someone should send some of his CDs to Jerome and Pops. He is the best 'undiscovered' talent out there. Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty: 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers: 1493 Greenwood Avenue; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. MAJOR E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Moroder -- *not* Kraftwerk! +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | TD DISCOGRAPHY http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/tadream2.html | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Ronald Clercx' Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 3:35 pm Subject: New Member / Some questions for the veterans Hey everybody I'm a new member, living in Gent, Belgium. Probably as most, I'm especially found of the recordings TD made in the late seventies, begin eighties, and fairly disappointed in their later work. Apart from TD, I have a very mixed CD collection, especially focusing on electronic music. Some other artists I enjoy are: Kraftwerk (people interested in rare recordings of Kraftwerk may always contact me as I have a huge orginal collection of them), Steve Roach, Robert Rich, Michael Stearns, Lightwave, Radio Massacre International, Airsculpture, Wave World, Underworld, Aphex Twin, Autechre, ... Some questions for the music conaisseurs out there: 1) Which of the TD clones out there, do you consider the best and which albums of these groups do you prefer (best I heard untill now was 'Frozen North' by Radio Massacre International, but please enlighten me ;-) 2) Which of the literature on TD do you consider the best. Please state the name of the author, the title and the publisher, and most importantly where can I get it? Last time I was on the TD page, I read a statement of Edgar Froese that there were plans for an authorized biography with an English author? Does this already exist? 3) Is there anybody going to the Alpha Centauri Festival in Holland on sat. 28th of April? Line up: Rick Wakeman, Lightwave, ... 4) Any subscribers to the Dutch magazine 'KLEM-blad' in here? Thanks, greetings to Heiko Heerssen Ronald Ronald.Clercx@y... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26616 Re: New Member / Some questions for the veterans Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chal Mon 3/26/2001 2 KB 26619 Re: New Member / Some questions for the veterans Mark Coyle Mon 3/26/2001 3 KB From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 3:53 pm Subject: Two questions and a comment Hejsan! * Does anyone know if there still are tickets available for the TD show in Britain? (Wasn't planning to go but after reading a digest from a week or two ago, a message about this possibly being the last chance to see them live, I might have to reconsider. Too late...?) * The concert in Berlin, later this year, is that the classic trilogy project or is it also a regular concert like the one mentioned above? And a comment: >Thomas Bertilsson Wrote: >I always thought that Edgar's solo work was like 'sound research' for the TD group efforts. Funny to read that, as it is exactly what I have always thought. Ages might be an even better example of this than EIMP. Bye Olle From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Member / Some questions for the veterans Ronald Clercx said: > 1) Which of the TD clones out there, do you consider the best... Synaesthesia -- and I recommend any album by them, they have three: _Embody_, _Desideratum_, and _Ephemeral_. Still not as good as Virgin years TD, but better than 90's TD. Never heard of the other that you mentioned, so thanks for the recommendation and welcome aboard. -- Face down in the lap of luxury, and nowhere to GO but DOWN... :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Thu Mar 22, 2001 1:52 am Subject: Fw: Dream Watchers ----- Original Message ----- From: winnie the pooh Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 3:51 PM To: TangerineDream Subject: Dream Watchers Hey there all, wanted to post a quick note to Tom Richmond (didn't have your e-mail addy handy) and the others about the Dream Watchers Tales. I'd posted awhile ago, got information regarding the tape/cDR tree, etc, and had informed I could burn Cd copies, and was given links, etc, but then when I'd e-mailed, I got a reply back saying they were 'waiting' for their tapes/Cds and then after that, I'd get copies, etc. I never got e-mail address information, I never got any mailing address information, and I also never got any information further from the person/people that were supposed to be involved with providing me with the tape information on how I'd get my copies, and then when I'd get them, OR if I got them (which I NEVER DID) how I'd go about it. I was mailed three times by various people asking me for copies (since I was supposed to be providing), AND I had to tell them that repeatedly I hadn't gotten any response. I've done tape trees several times on other mailing lists, and am sincerely and severely disappointed. NO offense to the people involved in getting this going, BUT the leaf/branch thing with the others supposed to provide extra copies to fans so they could proivide them elsewhere was done very poorly. The people involved in GETTING it going were great, Tom has been GREAT, but if these people have now since gotten their tapes/Cds and are supposed to be providing to others like myself so I CAN provide for others in MY area, they're doing a shitty job. Anyone involved in this, if you could e-mail me, and let me know why I'd volunteered to burn copies, made myself available, and then the person/people who were supposed to send me copies to burn from never followed through? They basically ripped off the tree by getting THEIR copies and stopping at that point. Trees/leaf/branches are supposed to pass it down, but whoever was involved in this end never did. Does anyone at this point have a CDR copy they could make me I could BUY? I just at this point outright want a copy for my personal private collection, and won't even GET INVOLVED in the tree if I can just get a copy to purchase, and/or do a 2-1 swap or SOMETHING to get? Anyone, please e-mail me off the list. Sorry to rant, but I'm severely disappointed. Iwas looking forward to HELPING OUT other TD fans, and they got the shaft as well. Hopefully they were able to get copies from someone else. I couldn't. dan Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com Crackasmile, TeslaGroup, TheTradingCircle, ChristianRockMusic, Found HERE! http://www.yahoogroups.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), MSN Messenger Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26618 Re: Fw: Dream Watchers Feldon Feldon Mon 3/26/2001 4 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 4:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fw: Dream Watchers >From: 'winnie the pooh' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: 'TaDreamList' >Subject: [tadream] Fw: Dream Watchers >Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:52:03 -0500 > > >Hey there all, wanted to post a quick note to Tom Richmond (didn't have >your e-mail addy handy) and the others about the Dream Watchers Tales. I'd >posted awhile ago, got information regarding the tape/cDR tree, etc, and >had informed I could burn Cd copies, and was given links, etc, but then >when I'd e-mailed, I got a reply back saying they were 'waiting' for their >tapes/Cds and then after that, I'd get copies, etc. > >I never got e-mail address information, I never got any mailing address >information, and I also never got any information further from the >person/people that were supposed to be involved with providing me with the >tape information on how I'd get my copies, and then when I'd get them, OR >if I got them (which I NEVER DID) how I'd go about it. Dan, sorry to hear about your problems with getting things from the tree. Hope you don't mind if I tack on my DT issue here, not really related to yours. I know I botched up a tree 2 years ago and so when the branch above me was not able to burn 80 min CDs for Dreamwatchers (Rogelio), I was asked if I could do it. I told him my troubles last time but decided to step up and do it right this time. As soon as I got my CDs from Tom, I burned 4 sets of DT and immediately sent out 1 set to Rogelio (originally my branch), and sent my trade to Tom Richmond. I have e-mailed, on 3 separate occasions my 2 new leaves and have gotten no response. Here was the original tree-- North America (and others): Tom Richmond - WI - trichmond@b... Rogelio Cavazos - TX - tranceroy@y... Morgan Marks - TX - feldon23@h... Jon Richards - TX - space_cadet73@h... Carlos Alberto M Salas - Mexico - cmartine@e... -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Mark Coyle' Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Member / Some questions for the veterans Hi > 1) Which of the TD clones out there, do you consider the best and which > albums of these groups do you prefer (best I heard untill now was 'Frozen > North' by Radio Massacre International, but please enlighten me ;-) it's probably not fair to do this one too much on a TD list, on the ElectronicMusic and Beyond_EM lists we discuss this. I never think of the bands as clones as for me they are inspired by TD in the way that heavy rock bands were inspired by Led Zep. Anyway, Arcane are ace, Air Sculpture, Rainbow Serpent, RMI (of course), Keller & Schondwalder. Email me off list (mark.coyle@b...) or at the other lists for some dialogue on this. Welcome aboard the analogue flying ship that is the TADream list. cheers Mark _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 10:08 pm Subject: I became enamored with TD because of >I became enamored with TD because of seeing the movie Miracle Mile.< it was precisely because of the soundtrack for that film that I knew TD were getting back on track.... --twz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26621 Re: I became enamored with TD because of Sean Harvey Mon 3/26/2001 2 KB 26622 Re: I became enamored with TD because of Jack Kramer Tue 3/27/2001 3 KB From: Sean Harvey Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 11:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I became enamored with TD because of A friend of mine in university that gave me a copy of Exit to listen to. That woman whispering Russian into my ears was like a bomb going off. Like she was trying to share some big secret with me, and if I listened enough times I'd get it. And the music. That smooth, flowing music hooked me. I couldn't get enough of it. It was complex, subtle and utterly enchanting. Every time I listened, I heard something new. It was like seeing a true magician perform when all you ever thought magic was was card tricks and mad old uncles pretending to fish quarters from behind your ears. From: 'Jack Kramer' Date: Tue Mar 27, 2001 12:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I became enamored with TD because of i saw Miracle Mile recently on cable and was disappointed....I used to think it was a good film but it hasn't aged well...the TD sountrack is still good though....if a little like risky business....Edgar obviously soloed on the main theme i think but Haslinger rescued much of the rest of the score... jack >From: 'tei waz' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com, teiwazbarana@h... >Subject: [tadream] I became enamored with TD because of >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:08:05 -0800 > > >I became enamored with TD because of >seeing the movie Miracle Mile.< > >it was precisely because of the soundtrack for that film that I knew TD >were >getting back on track.... > >--twz >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Mar 27, 2001 5:42 pm Subject: [tadream] All you ever wanted to know about The Keep Hi all, I have just completely rehashed the page for 'The Keep' on my site, the major change is that it has been split into two pages, one for official releases and the other for bootlegs and CD-Rs. I haven't done this for any of the other albums, but I thought I'd make an exception in this case as this soundtrack generates so much interest. There is now a lot more information, giving as much detail as I have at my disposal about all those tracks that 'got away' from the official release! Thanks to Duncan McKee and Steve Feldman for most of the details. Don't hesitate to contact me if you know any more relevant info, if you find mistakes or just to make comments. http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/thekeep.html Cheers Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26624 Re: All you ever wanted to know about The Keep Feldon Feldon Tue 3/27/2001 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Mar 27, 2001 6:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] All you ever wanted to know about The Keep >From: 'Paul Fellows' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:42:48 +0200 > I see a mistake on your page: Recorded in (year): 1983 (released in 1997) Musicians: Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Johannes Schmoelling Record Label: TDI Music Catalogue Number: TDI010CD Actually, recorded in 1983, re-recorded in 1997 with many original tracks deleted and new EF Solo tracks added, poorly reflecting the actual Keep soundtrack. Released and then retracted in 1997. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Vincent Goudreault Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001 12:27 pm Subject: True story Here is an amusing true story. Last Thursday, one of my co-worker was scheduled to fly out to our office in Kansas. However, due to the horrible conditions (historically 3rd worst snowstorm on record for the Montreal area) his flight was cancelled and he came back to the office after hours, and left a few things behind, including a small plastic bottle that he had filled with orange juice in the morning, but failed to drink during the day. That bottle stayed on the corner of his desk, in a plastic bag, the whole week-end. Then, on Monday morning, having fogotten about it, he just put his gear in front of it (a heavy bag weighting about 5 lb, containing yet another bottle of orange juice, among other things) and went to work, oblivious to the fact the darn thing was brewing... At 11:35 that morning, a very loud BANG could be heard, as that bottle gave to the pressure, spewing foul smelling brewed juice all over the place, knocking his bag to the ground, and alerting the 100 or so people in the office that something major may have happened. I felt the sticky fluid on my head, on my shirt, it covered several of my papers, soaked my Far Side calendar, and got one of my co-worker jacket dirty, while the guy responsible for bringing the bottle in was essentially protected from the liquid by his bag. The connection with TD, you may ask? Well, at that time, I was listening to 'What a blast' ('Beauty of the blast' to be track specific). Strange thing is that I only now realise that, as I am listening to it again! C.B.V. Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Thu Mar 29, 2001 1:26 pm Subject: OT and flashbacks Neal Frost wrote: >Since we are venturing a little beyond TD for some electronic music >discussions. I have heard a little about a band called 'Delirium' (If I am >spelling it right). Anyone on the list heard of this band? Any reviews or >suggestions which CDs I might start with? I'm entering late due to my backlog of digests. You already received a fair share of replies to this one. To me they are the kind of Techno/Trance outfit that sound not entirely different from the Orb. That means, not bad but not too enjoyable either. The only disc I have left in my collection is Euphoric and I'd be happy to trade it for something else if you're interested. My favourite when it comes to Trance is still; Brain Unlimited. Rhytmic, yet very dark, spacey and mellow music. Listen to Atlantic Ocean and you'll get the picture. However I don't have a clue as to whether they are still active. /Olle From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Mar 29, 2001 1:32 pm Subject: European tour? Shouldn't there be a European tour prior to the Shepherds Bush gig in May? There were plans for concerts in France, Portugal, Netherlands etc.... Heiko From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Thu Mar 29, 2001 7:39 pm Subject: mars polaris mispress hi everyone just a quick question. how many of you out there have a copy of 'Mars Polaris' Mispressed CD with 11 tracks? i know of 5 that exisit and would love to know if there are any more out there. vic Rek has two (one for trade) al benson has one Heiko Neumann has one and i have one Duncan McKee mckee17@m... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26629 Re: mars polaris mispress James E. Jacoby Thu 3/29/2001 2 KB 26633 mars polaris mispress Duncan Mckee Sat 3/31/2001 3 KB From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Thu Mar 29, 2001 10:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] mars polaris mispress --- Duncan Mckee wrote: > hi everyone > just a quick question. > how many of you out there have a copy of 'Mars Polaris' Mispressed > CD with 11 tracks? > I have one also. James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Fri Mar 30, 2001 10:23 am Subject: Re: Froese&Froese top five. Bonjour from Paris, --- In tadream@y..., 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > So who recorded the saxophone overlays on the Werner Saleenbinder track on > i-Box? This was released (and must have been recorded) in 2000. > > -Morgan Hmm.. I know you've stated before that this extra part was done by LS. What's wrong with this picture? Nothing, if you assume that she is the only sax player in the world :-) I mean, it isn't inconceivable that they got someone else to do it, is it? Presumably session sax players are ten a penny. BTW, Any other TDers in this neck of the woods fancy going out for a beer or something? Be warned that my French is still atrocious, but improving...just like my knowledge of Parisian bars and restaurants ;-) Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26631 Re: Froese&Froese top five. goozer@a... Fri 3/30/2001 2 KB From: goozer@a... Date: Fri Mar 30, 2001 2:26 pm Subject: Re: Froese&Froese top five. --- In tadream@y..., glynn_naughton@h... wrote: > Bonjour from Paris, > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > > So who recorded the saxophone overlays on the Werner Saleenbinder > track on > > i-Box? This was released (and must have been recorded) in 2000. > > > > -Morgan > > Hmm.. I know you've stated before that this extra part was done by > LS. What's wrong with this picture? Nothing, if you assume that she > is the only sax player in the world :-) I mean, it isn't > inconceivable that they got someone else to do it, is it? Presumably > session sax players are ten a penny. >[...] > Glynn Just because it was released in 2000 does not mean it was performed/recorded in 2000. It is much more likely that this track was performed and mixed while she was still a member of the band and simply not mastered and released until now. This is not at all uncommon, as a quick, cursory glance at TD oevure will confirm. Also, the sax may have been performed by Mr. Waldner, not Miss Spa. goozer From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 30, 2001 8:44 pm Subject: Re: Eddy & Jerry Top ten --- In tadream@y..., gmroger@p... wrote: A quick reminder that... Votes for the Eddy & Jerry top ten will close on April 6, and the results posted here on the 7th. That same evening I will broadcast the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten on the programme but I hold little chance that the show will be successfully broadcast on the internet, so I'll publish a transcript of the programme later. Thanks to those who have voted so far, including you, Dennis - thanks for the off-line votes, and also the few others who have done so since the last list was published. 44 of you have now cast your Top five votes for the Top Ten Eddy & Jerry albums. Let's get it to fifty. I will check again the count next Thursday as the top five is still fairly close. And then I can retire from Top Ten compilations and become a normal list member again. But I can still suggest a few if anyone wants to do another (Frank?). I'll play. Roger From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 10:14 am Subject: mars polaris mispress hi dreamers i have been listening to the mars polaris mispress and have identified the following tracks:- 6:14 1 Zhu Zhanji Great Wall of China, The 6:12 2 Rim of Schiaparelli Mars Polaris 4:00 3 Unknown 4:12 4 No more candles burning Great Wall of China, The 5:44 5 Lights of Beijing Great Wall of China, The 4:28 6 Tharsis Maneuver Mars Polaris 4:32 7 Stranded without shade Great Wall of China, The 6:12 8 Spiral star date (Level P) Mars Polaris 5:44 9 Mars mission counter Mars Polaris 4:39 10 Deep Space Cruiser Mars Polaris 7:23 11 Silence the barking monk Great Wall of China, The does anyone have any idea where track 3 comes from as i cannot find it on the GWOC or mars polaris? Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 12:16 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] mars polaris mispress Are you sure it's not 'Dies Martis (TransMercury) From: Scribe1964@a... Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 7:12 pm Subject: OT - Question for Schulze fans Hi, this is a question for you Klaus Schulze fans. I recently heard the song FREEZE, and I love it. Can you tell me what album this is from. Also, what would be a good CD to try out Schulze? Many thanks. --Ric Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26636 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans jcleve8530@a... Sat 3/31/2001 2 KB 26637 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans Victor Rek Sat 3/31/2001 2 KB 26638 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans Victor Rek Sat 3/31/2001 2 KB 26639 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans Michal Moroz Sat 3/31/2001 2 KB 26640 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans Synthhtnys@a... Sat 3/31/2001 2 KB 26642 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans Robert Grabowsky Sat 3/31/2001 2 KB 26647 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans bert.hulshoff@d... Mon 4/2/2001 3 KB 26649 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans Scribe1964@a... Mon 4/2/2001 1 KB From: jcleve8530@a... Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 7:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans Freeze is from the Angst soundtrack. It is a really good CD. Try In Blue -- it is my personal favorite. Have been a Schulze fan for years. Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Victor Rek Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 8:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans It is the first track off the 'ANGST' CD. jcleve8530@a... wrote: > Freeze is from the Angst soundtrack. It is a really good CD. Try In Blue -- > it is my personal favorite. Have been a Schulze fan for years. Jay From: Victor Rek Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 8:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans Ooops, I guess we already know that ;-) Victor Rek wrote: > It is the first track off the 'ANGST' CD. > > jcleve8530@a... wrote: > > > Freeze is from the Angst soundtrack. It is a really good CD. Try In Blue -- > > it is my personal favorite. Have been a Schulze fan for years. Jay > From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 8:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans >Hi, this is a question for you Klaus Schulze fans. I recently heard the song >FREEZE, and I love it. Can you tell me what album this is from. Also, what >would be a good CD to try out Schulze? Many thanks. > Try the double albums 'X' or the 'Thank you (Dziekuje) Poland' concerts En=Trance is good too first track on Dig It (death of an analogue) is also worth a try Michal Td-Station (also Schulze fan) From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 8:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans Hi, this is a question for you Klaus Schulze fans. I recently heard the song FREEZE, and I love it. Can you tell me what album this is from. Also, what would be a good CD to try out Schulze? Many thanks. c *Isn't Freeze a variation of a piece off of Audentity? As for recommends I think the '70's work is a good place to start... '80's and beyond are perhaps more of an aquired taste.... I'd recommend Mirage (My fav.) Timewind, Body Love, Picture Music, X, and Moondawn...... these are IMO the cream of the crop. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26642 Re: OT - Question for Schulze fans Robert Grabowsky Sat 3/31/2001 2 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 9:19 pm Subject: Question/favor Hello guys, I have 2 questions/favors to ask: 1) I am about to trade with someone my copy of the Fassbinder Memorial Concert CDR. But my copy does not have a cover. Is the cover art posted somewhere? Or would someone be willing to scan their artwork and e-mail it to me? 2) Same thing with my copies of Michael Oldfield's Tubular Bells 1, 2 & 3. Would someone be willing to scan their covers and e-mail them to me? Or, if it were possible to post them on a website for a short period of time, I could download them and let you know so you can delete them again. I thank the 'Kind Souls' in advance for the help. Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26643 Re: Question/favor jcleve8530@a... Sat 3/31/2001 2 KB 26644 Re: Question/favor E Neal Frost Sun 4/1/2001 3 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 8:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans >Hi, this is a question for you Klaus Schulze fans. I recently heard the song >FREEZE, and I love it. Can you tell me what album this is from. Also, what >would be a good CD to try out Schulze? Many thanks. Freeze was also used in the Manhunter Soundtrack. It is the first movie to feature the character of Hannibal Lechter. THE HIGHLANDER From: jcleve8530@a... Date: Sat Mar 31, 2001 9:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Question/favor I have a cover for the Klassic Sober Fassbinder CDR. Also the back cover. Is that the one you would want? Would be happy to e-mail it to you. JAY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sun Apr 1, 2001 4:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Question/favor Jay, I am not really sure which one I need. I am beginning to think mine is just a copy of the 10' clear vinyl record. Is there a more complete Fassbinder CDR than 30 minutes? But send yours anyway. And thank you very much for the help. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Question/favor > I have a cover for the Klassic Sober Fassbinder CDR. Also the back cover. Is > that the one you would want? Would be happy to e-mail it to you. JAY > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Sun Apr 1, 2001 10:21 am Subject: Dies Martis Remix hi dreamers i have uploaded the remixed version of Dies Martis (from the mars polaris mispress) to my website follow the link below Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Victor Rek Date: Mon Apr 2, 2001 4:33 am Subject: Okefenokee 2001 is Just Around the Corner! Hey! It's that time of year again when we are going into the final weeks of preparation for the 2nd Okefenokee Gathering (Oke 2001)! As an annual deal, I am offering the SwampPak 11 as a little fund raiser for the event. Earlier I offered a SwampPak 21, but that seemed too big and didn't generate much interest, so I'm going back to the original concept, except that this time it has been listed on eBay at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1421203973 AND SEE http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee/ for last year's Oke-2000 report for some details what happened last year. Now, if someone from this list wins the SwampPak 11, that person will also get some memorabila (TBD) from the event once we return (by mentioning this list). For all those that plan on attending, please start getting in touch with me if you have any questions about preparing for the event. I also need to know the dates you are going to be there and if you will be 'camping' out at my house prior and/or after the event. So stay tuned to the event details right here! :-) And also expect to read comments on the great times and original EM that we will experience featuring: Free System Project Air Sculpture Dave Brewer Bill Fox Getting excited! Vic From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Mon Apr 2, 2001 6:57 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans try: Timewind, Moondown, In Blue, En=trance, 'X' and 'are you sequenced' Greetings Bert aka Phrozenlight http://phrozenlight.da.ru http://artists.traxinspace.com/phrozenlight Egroups dedicated to Buzz Tracker Buzz-Buzz@egroups.com http://www.egroups.com/group/Buzz-Buzz and buzz-jam@egroups.com here you can jam with other Buzzers http://www.egroups.com/group/buzz-jam And of course Buzz-Talk at ListBot buzz_talk@l... > ---------- > From: Scribe1964@a...[SMTP:Scribe1964@a...] > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 21:12 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans > > Hi, this is a question for you Klaus Schulze fans. I recently heard the > song > FREEZE, and I love it. Can you tell me what album this is from. Also, > what > would be a good CD to try out Schulze? Many thanks. > > --Ric > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Apr 2, 2001 8:45 am Subject: Edgar Froese's Epsilon in Malaysian pale CD at eBAY Hi Gang, for those who are still missing one of the greatest electronic music albums ever recorded, I have put an original copy of Edgar Froese's 1975 oeuvre 'Epsilon in Malaysian pale' on eBAY. This is the UK CD release (CDV 2040) which is long out of print. It's a 3-day auction which has a reserve price. The URL is: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1421233866 Heiko From: Scribe1964@a... Date: Mon Apr 2, 2001 11:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Question for Schulze fans Thanks for the suggestions, all! --Ric From: Tom Richmond Date: Mon Apr 2, 2001 1:46 pm Subject: old td tape tree question Hello: To anyone who has that TD tape trees from a year or two ago, I have a question: What is the song at the end of side A of tree 5, tape 2 (4-4-77 Washington D.C.) It's obviously not TD, but it's quite interesting, with spoken word vocals and backround vocals that sound a lot like Brian Eno. The title could be 'If this is love', based on the lyrics. Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Apr 2, 2001 4:31 pm Subject: RE: Babylon 5 comments in the solo discussions thread... I have a correction to something Roger said: Roger wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:50:01 +0100 > From: gmroger@p... > >Volume 3 was titled 'In the Beginning', which ws a completely new >soundtrack recorded by Chris for the feature length pilot episode, >originally recorded by Stuart Copeland. Volume 4 is called >'Thirdspace', the title for one of the TV movies made after the series >was completed. > >The B5 episodic cd's at most re 30 minutes long and in that sense >I wouldn't really class them as 'albums', rather as EPs. 'In the Beginning' was a movie done by TNT during the 5th season to introduce late-comers to the series. You are right about the soundtrack being new, but you are confusing it with 'The Gathering' which is the pilot episode. There are 2 versions of the pilot: the original (with the Stuart Copeland soundtrack) the 'special edition' which aired on TNT also during the 5th season, with the Copeland soundtrack replaced with the standard Franke. (I have both versions of the opening music/narrative for this in MP3 if anyone is interested in hearing a comparison.) Also, 'Thirdspace' aired during the fifth season, but was set chronologically during the 4th season. It was not made after the series was complete, or was at least not aired after the series was complete. James From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon Apr 2, 2001 10:28 pm Subject: Interesting Oddity? Hi I have just obtained an mp3 copy of the TD/Shirrelles mix used as the opener by The Sisters of Mercy on their most recent tour. I dont know if it is the sort of thing to upload to the files area (Listowner please advise)? But if anyone with a website wants to make it more available, please mail me offlist. It is about 2Mb zipped. Fellow Motorhead fans on this list might like to know that there is also a stonking cover of 'Capricorn' from the same gig. Likewise, mail me if you want its address. It is a much bigger file though! Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Ronald Clercx' Date: Tue Apr 3, 2001 8:44 am Subject: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane Hey everybody Thanks to another subscriber of this group I got my hands on a copy of Fractal Realties In A Shattered Plane (recorded in Melbourne Hall 01-03-82 The only thing we are missing is a tracklist. Can anybody help out here? Friendly regards Ronald Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26656 Re: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane Feldon Feldon Tue 4/3/2001 3 KB 26658 Re: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane Gustavo Jobim Wed 4/4/2001 2 KB 26659 Re: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane Owens, James Wed 4/4/2001 4 KB 26664 Re: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane Feldon Feldon Thu 4/5/2001 5 KB 26680 Re: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane E Neal Frost Sat 4/7/2001 4 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Apr 3, 2001 1:14 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] People going to Shepherds Bush Hi all, I thought that as the concert is only just over a month away now, it was time to post the most recent list of people going (38 in total) and to encourage those last few lurkers to come out of the woodwork and join in the party!! Let me know... By the way, Glynn Naughton no longer lives in London (he's moved to Paris) so any volunteers to ring the pub to warn them? Also, is anyone intending to bring some goodies along to exchange? This would be a golden opportunity...please contact me off-list. Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) Craig Cordrey (UK) David Foster (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Glynn Naughton (France) Heiko Heerssen (Germany) Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) Jakub (Polish, lives in UK) James Williams + 1 friend (UK) Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) Klaus Beschorner? (Germany) Lawry Simm (USA) Marion & husband (Dave) (UK) Matthew Stringer (UK) Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Ray (UK) Richard (UK?) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Steve Jenkins (UK) Cheers Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26657 Re: Re : [tadream] People going to Shepherds Bush glynn_naughton@h... Tue 4/3/2001 3 KB 26668 Re: Re : [tadream] People going to Shepherds Bush Nigbur D Thu 4/5/2001 4 KB From: 'Neal Frost' Date: Tue Apr 3, 2001 3:22 pm Subject: DAVE BREWER/OKEE DREAMS 2000 Sorry for the off post guys, Dave Brewer, please contact me at work if you answer this post before 5pm EST. Otherwise, contact me at home. I am going to try to get the $$$ into the mail to you for the Okee Dreams 2000 disc. Is it the original version, or the remastered version? Thanks Neal---> NealFrost@D... From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Apr 3, 2001 3:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane 26:51 Mojave Plan extended version (White Eagle) 04:20 Calymba City part 2 (Antique Dreams) 08:20 Thermal Inversion (unreleased-Sea of Dreams compilation) 01:20 Remote Viewing (Exit) 03:45 Force Majeure excerpt 02:45 '81-82 Ending theme' (Logos) >From: 'Ronald Clercx' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:44:00 +0200 > >Hey everybody > >Thanks to another subscriber of this group I got my hands on a copy of >Fractal Realties In A Shattered Plane (recorded in Melbourne Hall 01-03-82 > >The only thing we are missing is a tracklist. Can anybody help out here? > >Friendly regards > >Ronald > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue Apr 3, 2001 4:25 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] People going to Shepherds Bush --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > Hi all, > > I thought that as the concert is only just over a month away now, it was > time to post the most recent list of people going (38 in total) and to > encourage those last few lurkers to come out of the woodwork and join in the > party!! Let me know... > > By the way, Glynn Naughton no longer lives in London (he's moved to Paris) > so any volunteers to ring the pub to warn them? I did get a chance to do a quick recce. the day before I left. As well as the former Moon on the Green (now one of those Harvey's places) there's also an 'Australasian' pub (read: ordinary pub with 'Australasian pub' written over the door) called the Walkabout that is right next to the venue. The girl behind the bar told me of a couple of places in Acton (10 mins by bus) which are open late and we could go on to after the show, for those interested. Suggest those who are meet in the Walkabout after the show and work out what to do from there. There's also a Thai restaurant just around the corner which is open throughout the afternoon, which might be a good place to spend some time (if there's one thing that could make me believe in God it's Thai green curry). Will post nearer the time with some details about directions, tickets to buy on the Underground, etc, etc. Glynn From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Apr 4, 2001 5:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane [ 1.0] 26:52 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 1 Mojave Plan (from White Eagle) [ 2.0] 20:27 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 2 a. unreleased (similar to Quichotte Part 2, from Pergamon) b. Thermal Inversion c. excerpt from Remote Viewing (from Exit) d. excerpt from Force Majeure (from Force Majeure) [ 3.0] 10:20 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 3 Föhn (Choronzon, from Exit) [ 4.0] 4:25 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 4 Mure (Midnight in Tula, from White Eagle) > From: 'Ronald Clercx' > Subject: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane > > Hey everybody > Thanks to another subscriber of this group I got my hands on a copy of > Fractal Realties In A Shattered Plane (recorded in Melbourne Hall 01-03-82 > The only thing we are missing is a tracklist. Can anybody help out here? > Friendly regards > Ronald From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Apr 4, 2001 8:29 pm Subject: Re: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane That brings up a question. I have listed a different version than you. I don't personally have this, since it seems to be largely the same as Raetikon. But the version I have listed (I've forgotten who I got the list from) claims to have 4 tracks. Based on the times of what you've just given me, I'd say that everything you've listed is the first 2 tracks in my list (main set 2 of the concert), but my list includes 2 more tracks (presumably the encores, since they roughly match the encore times on Raetikon. Here's what I have: FRACTAL REALITIES IN A SHATTERED PLANE Recorded March 1, 1982 Dalas Brooks Hall, Melbourne, Australia [ 1.0] 26:52 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 1 (Ext. version of Mojave Plan from White Eagle) [ 2.0] 20:27 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 2 [ 2.1] 4:20 Calymba City part 2 (Antique Dreams) [ 2.2] 8:20 Thermal Inversion (see Sea of Dreams disc 4, track 7) [ 2.3] 1:20 Remote Viewing (Exit) [ 2.4] 3:45 Force Majeure (excerpt) [ 2.5] 2:45 Logos (end part) [ 3.0] 10:20 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 3 (Ext. version of Choronzon from Exit) [ 4.0] 4:25 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 4 (Midnight in Tula from White Eagle) total time = 64:04 Quality: mastered from original mixing desk tapes This appears to be the entire second set plus two encores. James ----original message----- Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 10:58:05 -0500 From: 'Feldon Feldon' 26:51 Mojave Plan extended version (White Eagle) 04:20 Calymba City part 2 (Antique Dreams) 08:20 Thermal Inversion (unreleased-Sea of Dreams compilation) 01:20 Remote Viewing (Exit) 03:45 Force Majeure excerpt 02:45 '81-82 Ending theme' (Logos) >From: 'Ronald Clercx' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:44:00 +0200 > >Hey everybody > >Thanks to another subscriber of this group I got my hands on a copy of >Fractal Realties In A Shattered Plane (recorded in Melbourne Hall 01-03-82 > >The only thing we are missing is a tracklist. Can anybody help out here? > >Friendly regards > >Ronald From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 1:37 am Subject: West Wing Very, Very sorry for this off topic post, guys. One of my favorite TV show this season is The West Wing. It appears to be a very important show this season. At least, from what I can see of it. My local signal keeps fading in and out. Anybody in the western time zones, that just might read this post in time, Please tape tonight's episode and ship it to me. We can discuss a trade from my TD list if that will help you decide. Please contact me off list if you tape it in time. I thank the 'Kind Souls' that end up helping. Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26662 Re: West Wing Feldon Feldon Thu 4/5/2001 3 KB From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 1:46 am Subject: Siren Hello All, Somebody on this has a website...and on that website is a Tangerine Dream List.....and on that TD list there is a listing for a CDR called Siren. I remember seeing that listing and wanting it so much, I put it on my 'Want List'. But now, months later, I don't remember what the CD was all about, or where I saw it. Would the guilty party please contact me off list and remind me why I wanted that set so bad. You know...I take Gingko Boloba tablets to improve my memory. Or they would if only I could remember to take them. Neal (OK, I have left the room. You all can laugh behind my back now) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 1:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] West Wing I think it's time for a contest and TiVo giveaway here on the tadream list. >From: 'E Neal Frost' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: , >Subject: [tadream] West Wing >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:37:04 -0400 > >Very, Very sorry for this off topic post, guys. > >One of my favorite TV show this season is The West Wing. It appears to be a >very important show this season. At least, from what I can see of it. My >local signal keeps fading in and out. > >Anybody in the western time zones, that just might read this post in time, >Please tape tonight's episode and ship it to me. We can discuss a trade >from my TD list if that will help you decide. > >Please contact me off list if you tape it in time. > >I thank the 'Kind Souls' that end up helping. > >Neal > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 3:55 am Subject: Thanks to the Kind Souls And before I forget something else...I wanted to thank all of the 'Kind Souls' that have graciously e-mailed scans of there Fassbinder Covers. The only problem is....I never received the same cover twice. So far, the count is up to four different covers. And I must say, we have some VERY TALENTED and creative artists on this list. Again, thanks to all. Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Apr 4, 2001 9:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane The tracklisting is for the one I have. James, I've gone from your discography and expanded upon it quite heavily. I guess I should e-mail you a copy. Looks like he's quoting Raetikon to me too. -Morgan >From: 'Owens, James' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: ''tadream@o...'' >Subject: [tadream] Re: Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:29:06 -0500 > >That brings up a question. I have listed a different version than you. >I don't personally have this, since it seems to be largely the same as >Raetikon. But the version I have listed (I've forgotten who I got the >list from) claims to have 4 tracks. Based on the times of what you've >just given me, I'd say that everything you've listed is the first 2 tracks >in my list (main set 2 of the concert), but my list includes 2 more tracks >(presumably the encores, since they roughly match the encore times on >Raetikon. Here's what I have: > >FRACTAL REALITIES IN A SHATTERED PLANE >Recorded March 1, 1982 Dalas Brooks Hall, Melbourne, Australia > > [ 1.0] 26:52 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 1 > (Ext. version of Mojave Plan from White Eagle) > [ 2.0] 20:27 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 2 > [ 2.1] 4:20 Calymba City part 2 (Antique Dreams) > [ 2.2] 8:20 Thermal Inversion (see Sea of Dreams disc 4, track 7) > [ 2.3] 1:20 Remote Viewing (Exit) > [ 2.4] 3:45 Force Majeure (excerpt) > [ 2.5] 2:45 Logos (end part) > [ 3.0] 10:20 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 3 > (Ext. version of Choronzon from Exit) > > [ 4.0] 4:25 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane, Part 4 > (Midnight in Tula from White Eagle) > >total time = 64:04 Quality: mastered from original mixing desk tapes > >This appears to be the entire second set plus two encores. > >James > > >----original message----- > Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 10:58:05 -0500 > From: 'Feldon Feldon' > > >26:51 Mojave Plan extended version (White Eagle) >04:20 Calymba City part 2 (Antique Dreams) >08:20 Thermal Inversion (unreleased-Sea of Dreams compilation) >01:20 Remote Viewing (Exit) >03:45 Force Majeure excerpt >02:45 '81-82 Ending theme' (Logos) > > >From: 'Ronald Clercx' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [tadream] Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane > >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:44:00 +0200 > > > >Hey everybody > > > >Thanks to another subscriber of this group I got my hands on a copy of > >Fractal Realties In A Shattered Plane (recorded in Melbourne Hall >01-03-82 > > > >The only thing we are missing is a tracklist. Can anybody help out here? > > > >Friendly regards > > > >Ronald > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 1:37 pm Subject: Re: Babylon 5/Close of Eddy & Jerry top 10 > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:31:48 -0500 > From: 'Owens, James' > Subject: RE: Babylon 5 comments in the solo discussions thread... > > I have a correction to something Roger said: > > Roger wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:50:01 +0100 > > From: gmroger@p... > > > >Volume 3 was titled 'In the Beginning', which ws a completely new > >soundtrack recorded by Chris for the feature length pilot episode, > >originally recorded by Stuart Copeland. Volume 4 is called > >'Thirdspace', the title for one of the TV movies made after the series > >was completed. > > > >The B5 episodic cd's at most re 30 minutes long and in that sense > >I wouldn't really class them as 'albums', rather as EPs. > > 'In the Beginning' was a movie done by TNT during the 5th season to > introduce late-comers to the series. You are right about the soundtrack > being new, but you are confusing it with 'The Gathering' which is the > pilot episode. There are 2 versions of the pilot: > > the original (with the Stuart Copeland soundtrack) > > the 'special edition' which aired on TNT also during the 5th > season, with the Copeland soundtrack replaced with the standard > Franke. (I have both versions of the opening music/narrative for > this in MP3 if anyone is interested in hearing a comparison.) > > Also, 'Thirdspace' aired during the fifth season, but was set > chronologically during the 4th season. It was not made after the > series was complete, or was at least not aired after the series > was complete. > > James I can neither verify or confirm that but that's the case, thanks James for the additional info. The top five votes for the Eddy & Jerry chart has now closed. I hope to broadcast the results on my radio programme tomorrow, but knowing it is nigh on impossible to recieve Radio Rak on the net, I'll publish the chart Friday evening, along with a playlist and a transcription of the programme. Thanks to all who have voted. Roger -- From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 3:29 pm Subject: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music Hi all, I was boogie boardin' the other day and came across the movie trailer for Red Heat (1985) TD did the soundtrack for the movie, and sure enough the trailer is TD music as well. Only the first few seconds of the trailer has dialogue. The rest of the trailer is all music (with clips from the movie). I don't know how to capture the music to disc (other than maybe record it with a tape player), but it's the longest big of uninterrupted music from that soundtrack I've heard. The link is: http://us.imdb.com/Trailers?0089892&2397&100 If anyone has any luck grabbing the tune, let me know off-list. Thanks, James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26667 Re: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music C. Chambers Thu 4/5/2001 3 KB 26669 Re: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music C. Chambers Thu 4/5/2001 4 KB 26670 SV: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD musi Pergamon Thu 4/5/2001 4 KB 26671 Re: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music Michael Jean Thu 4/5/2001 4 KB 26674 Re: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music Joe Shoults Fri 4/6/2001 2 KB 26686 Re: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music Hilary Wright Sun 4/8/2001 2 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 6:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music Cool! James, I was able to digitally grab the audio and quickly do some filtering to remove some of the compression artifacts. This is nice. The .wav is about 16M and 1 min 34 secs. I can make it an MP3 if anybody is interested... Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 AM > To: 'tadream@o...' > Subject: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music > > > Hi all, > > I was boogie boardin' the other day and came across the movie trailer for > Red Heat (1985) > TD did the soundtrack for the movie, and sure enough the trailer > is TD music > as well. > Only the first few seconds of the trailer has dialogue. The rest of the > trailer is > all music (with clips from the movie). I don't know how to capture the > music > to disc (other than maybe record it with a tape player), but it's the > longest big of > uninterrupted music from that soundtrack I've heard. > > The link is: > http://us.imdb.com/Trailers?0089892&2397&100 > > If anyone has any luck grabbing the tune, let me know off-list. > > Thanks, > James > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26669 Re: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music C. Chambers Thu 4/5/2001 4 KB 26670 SV: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD musi Pergamon Thu 4/5/2001 4 KB From: Nigbur D Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 3:55 pm Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] People going to Shepherds Bush You can add me to the list. Sorry I forgot to tell you earlier. Dennis > ---------- > From: Paul Fellows[SMTP:pfellows@c...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:14 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re : [tadream] People going to Shepherds Bush > > Hi all, > > I thought that as the concert is only just over a month away now, it was > time to post the most recent list of people going (38 in total) and to > encourage those last few lurkers to come out of the woodwork and join in > the > party!! Let me know... > > By the way, Glynn Naughton no longer lives in London (he's moved to Paris) > so any volunteers to ring the pub to warn them? > > Also, is anyone intending to bring some goodies along to exchange? This > would be a golden opportunity...please contact me off-list. > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) > Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) > Craig Cordrey (UK) > David Foster (UK) > Duncan McKee (UK) > Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) > Geir Smedsrud (Norway) > Glynn Naughton (France) > Heiko Heerssen (Germany) > Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) > Jakub (Polish, lives in UK) > James Williams + 1 friend (UK) > Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) > Klaus Beschorner? (Germany) > Lawry Simm (USA) > Marion & husband (Dave) (UK) > Matthew Stringer (UK) > Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) > Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) > Paul Fellows (France) > Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) > Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) > Rainer Rutka (Germany) > Ray (UK) > Richard (UK?) > Roger Hartopp (Poland) > Steve Jenkins (UK) > > Cheers > > Paul > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 7:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music The MP3 is just under 1.5M using HQ 128kbps compression..what an awesome looking flick...I have never seen it, but it definietly looks like something I wanna seek out. Is it on DVD by any chance? Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: C. Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:54 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music > > > Cool! James, I was able to digitally grab the audio and quickly do some > filtering to remove some of the compression artifacts. This is nice. The > .wav is about 16M and 1 min 34 secs. I can make it an MP3 if anybody is > interested... > > Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 AM > > To: 'tadream@o...' > > Subject: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I was boogie boardin' the other day and came across the movie > trailer for > > Red Heat (1985) > > TD did the soundtrack for the movie, and sure enough the trailer > > is TD music > > as well. > > Only the first few seconds of the trailer has dialogue. The rest of the > > trailer is > > all music (with clips from the movie). I don't know how to capture the > > music > > to disc (other than maybe record it with a tape player), but it's the > > longest big of > > uninterrupted music from that soundtrack I've heard. > > > > The link is: > > http://us.imdb.com/Trailers?0089892&2397&100 > > > > If anyone has any luck grabbing the tune, let me know off-list. > > > > Thanks, > > James > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 5:42 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music Hi Craig I am interested, can I get you to send it to me???? mailto:pergamon@p... Thanks Jan > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: C. Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...] > Sendt: 5. april 2001 20:54 > Til: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Emne: RE: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music > > > Cool! James, I was able to digitally grab the audio and quickly do some > filtering to remove some of the compression artifacts. This is nice. The > .wav is about 16M and 1 min 34 secs. I can make it an MP3 if anybody is > interested... > > Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 AM > > To: 'tadream@o...' > > Subject: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I was boogie boardin' the other day and came across the movie > trailer for > > Red Heat (1985) > > TD did the soundtrack for the movie, and sure enough the trailer > > is TD music > > as well. > > Only the first few seconds of the trailer has dialogue. The rest of the > > trailer is > > all music (with clips from the movie). I don't know how to capture the > > music > > to disc (other than maybe record it with a tape player), but it's the > > longest big of > > uninterrupted music from that soundtrack I've heard. > > > > The link is: > > http://us.imdb.com/Trailers?0089892&2397&100 > > > > If anyone has any luck grabbing the tune, let me know off-list. > > > > Thanks, > > James > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Michael Jean Date: Thu Apr 5, 2001 5:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music It was a pretty lousy movire from what I remember...Though I guess it depends on your taste in films... At least we got to see what Linda Blair really looks like all grown up. ------Original Message------ From: 'C. Chambers' To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: April 5, 2001 6:54:23 PM GMT Subject: RE: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music Cool! James, I was able to digitally grab the audio and quickly do some filtering to remove some of the compression artifacts. This is nice. The ..wav is about 16M and 1 min 34 secs. I can make it an MP3 if anybody is interested... Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 AM > To: 'tadream@o...' > Subject: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music > > > Hi all, > > I was boogie boardin' the other day and came across the movie trailer for > Red Heat (1985) > TD did the soundtrack for the movie, and sure enough the trailer > is TD music > as well. > Only the first few seconds of the trailer has dialogue. The rest of the > trailer is > all music (with clips from the movie). I don't know how to capture the > music > to disc (other than maybe record it with a tape player), but it's the > longest big of > uninterrupted music from that soundtrack I've heard. > > The link is: > http://us.imdb.com/Trailers?0089892&2397&100 > > If anyone has any luck grabbing the tune, let me know off-list. > > Thanks, > James > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri Apr 6, 2001 11:24 am Subject: Questions Hello all, Would the list owners and/or moderators please contact me off list. I have created a list myself for the members of my high school graduating class to coordinated for a reunion next summer. But my list doesn't seem to be running as smoothly as these lists do. Please help me..... If you respond during the day, please contact me at work. Otherwise, please contact me at home.....but someone please contact me off list.... Neal Work - NealFrost@D... Home - Strat95@b... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30808 Questions David Foster Sun 12/23/2001 3 KB 30813 Re: Questions John Vertical Sun 12/23/2001 3 KB 30827 Re: Questions Michael A Jean Mon 12/24/2001 2 KB 30820 Re: Questions quarlie@a... Mon 12/24/2001 3 KB 30821 Re: Questions Mark Filipak Mon 12/24/2001 2 KB 30825 Re: Questions DAVKAUFMAN@a... Mon 12/24/2001 2 KB 32653 Questions Morgan Feldon Mon 3/11/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Apr 6, 2001 1:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music try a program called TotalRecorder. it will capture anything going through your soundcard. http://www.totalrecorder.com I have an old version; contact me offlist for more info. Joe > -----Original Message----- > > trailer for Red Heat (1985)... > > > The link is: > > > http://us.imdb.com/Trailers?0089892&2397&100 > > > If anyone has any luck grabbing the tune, let me know off-list. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26686 Re: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music Hilary Wright Sun 4/8/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Fri Apr 6, 2001 1:50 pm Subject: Opticaldream-Homepage Hi all, do you visit my Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage??? NO, then jump to: http://www.opticaldream.de Thank you, for your visit. heiko burg germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Fri Apr 6, 2001 6:11 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music I'm disgusted, only PC users can access it, what about us Mac addicts? Paul ---------- >De : 'C. Chambers' >À : >Objet : RE: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music >Date : Jeu 5 avr 2001 20:54 > > Cool! James, I was able to digitally grab the audio and quickly do some > filtering to remove some of the compression artifacts. This is nice. The > wav is about 16M and 1 min 34 secs. I can make it an MP3 if anybody is > interested... > > Craig > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:29 AM >> To: 'tadream@o...' >> Subject: [tadream] Red Heat movie trailer with TD music >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> I was boogie boardin' the other day and came across the movie trailer for >> Red Heat (1985) >> TD did the soundtrack for the movie, and sure enough the trailer >> is TD music >> as well. >> Only the first few seconds of the trailer has dialogue. The rest of the >> trailer is >> all music (with clips from the movie). I don't know how to capture the >> music >> to disc (other than maybe record it with a tape player), but it's the >> longest big of >> uninterrupted music from that soundtrack I've heard. >> >> The link is: >> http://us.imdb.com/Trailers?0089892&2397&100 >> >> If anyone has any luck grabbing the tune, let me know off-list. >> >> Thanks, >> James >> >> ---------------------------------------------------~-~ >> Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >> Details at http://www.tadream.net >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Apr 6, 2001 9:47 pm Subject: The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio transcript Here is the transcript for the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten, as broadcast on Poland's Radio Rak: ASTRAL VOYAGER: Prog 046, Friday 6 April 2001 R: Good evening. I'm Roger Hartopp, and welcome to a very special edition of Astral Voyager, here on Radio Rak, broadcasting on 100.5 FM in the Kraków area, and on all over the world courtesy of the World Wide Web. Tonight's show features the Top Ten albums recorded by the band from the period 1991 to 2000. Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS VOLUME 1 Track 2 Tangerine Dream have been around now for just over thirty years, and gone through over thirty different band members, but the few last years have been constant in the sense that the two regular members through this time have been Edgar Froese, the band's founder member, and his son Jerome. This period of the band's career hasn't been without its controversy, with differing views from its fans as regarding the musical direction. But the band will be playing a concert in London on May the 12th to celebrate the release of their latest album, Dream Mixes 3, a CD of recent and new Tangerine Dream material and given the dance treatment. To celebrate this event, I asked a number of fans from a discussion group recognised by the band what their favourite albums were from Edgar & Jerome, affectionately known as Eddy & Jerry. There have been – arguably – 21 releases, excluding compilations, and each fan was asked for their top five choices. An album placed at number 1 in an individual's list would receive five points, number two four points, and so on, all the way down to number one, which would get one point. 45 fans cast their votes and here are the results. Even if you're not a Tangerine Dream fan, or you know little of the band, you should find the sheer variety of music the band have produced quite entertaining – I'd like to think there isn't a duff track tonight. Due to the fact we only have an hour-long programme, I'll only be playing short excerpts from the albums voted at 10, 9, 8 & 7. Let's start at number ten – a live album recorded at The Shepherd's Bush Empire in 1997, and eventually released in 1999 – this is Valentine Wheels, and Betrayal... TANGERINE DREAM: VALENTINE WHEELS Track 2: Betrayal From the album voted at number 10, that was `Betrayal'. Now, at number nine, a CD that has split fandom right down the middle. A much more quiet, sedate side to the band – no percussion or sequencers – this polled enough votes to put it into the number nine position. From last year, the album is `The Seven Letters From Tibet', and this is `The Green Land'... TANGERINE DREAM: THE SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET Track 4: The Green Land Actually, all the tracks have one thing in common on `The Seven Letters From Tibet' – they mention colours, that is if you count the track `The Golden Heart' as a colour, i.e. Yellow. The track listing is `The Red Blood Connection', `The Orange Breath', `The Golden Heart', `The Green Land', `The Blue Pearl', `The Indigo Clouds' and `The Purple of all Curtains'. Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and purple – or violet, or the colours of the rainbow. This is at number eight. Another live album – my personal favourite – from 1997, and recorded here in Poland – from `Tournado', this is `Flashflood'... TANGERINE DREAM: TOURNADO Track 2: Flashflood (7.49) Recorded live on the 23rd of April 1997 at the `Dome Muziki i Tanca' in Zabrze, Poland, that was `Flashflood', from the album `Tournado'. It was essentially the set that was performed when they also toured Britain in November of that year, and with the same line-up as the `Valentine Wheels' album. In fact, if you put the two albums together, you essentially have the full concert as performed in that year. Let's move onto the album voted at number seven. That album is `What a Blast', and this is `Silver Siren'... TANGERINE DREAM: WHAT A BLAST! Track 2: Silver Siren You're listening to Astral Voyager with me, Roger Hartopp, here on Radio Rak, broadcasting on 100.5FM in the Krakow area of Poland, and on the World Wide Web. Now let's concentrate on the Top six, as these six were streets ahead of the rest of the field, clearly showing that there is definite consensus as regards the band's best albums. During the first half of the 1990's, most fans were agreeing that a large majority of the band's output was somewhat average. In the meantime, Jerome, who is actually quite keen on dance music and even deejays on occasions as TDJ Rome, decided that maybe the band's music could do with the remix treatment. There had been many approaches in the past from various artists and producers to remix Tangerine Dream material – to date, there's only been one example of a track being authorised for remixing by the band, and they were less than happy with it – but if a track is going to be remixed, as far as the band is concerned, they're going to do it so it remains a Tangerine Dream product. And the results were previously dull average tracks suddenly given an incredible new lease of life, along with some outstanding new material. It would be a style that would occasionally carry through to their normal output as well. What started this was `The Dream Mixes'. And this was voted at number six... TANGERINE DREAM: THE DREAM MIXES Disc 1 Track 5: Virtually Fields (6.50) Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS VOLUME 1 Track 3 From the TDI version of `The Dream Mixes' – there were in fact two versions, a single and a double CD release - that was `Virtually Fields', voted in at number six. Despite the fact that 45 people casted votes in this poll, the albums placed at numbers five, four and three literally only had one point between them. It really was that close. This album received a total of 63 points, the album at four getting 63.5 and the number three 64. As a result of the positive response metered out to `Dream Mixes' – particularly after it was re-issued as a double CD with extra tracks – Jerome Froese, the instigator of the original project, decided to embark on the same exercise, although this time remixing just two tracks and the rest being new material. The result of this was `Timesquare' – Dream Mixes two' – and this is `Pixel Pirates'... TANGERINE DREAM: TIMESQUARE Track 5: Pixel Pirates (6.55) Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS VOLUME 1 Track 4 There was really nothing in it between the two Dream Mixes albums as far as your votes went. Originally made available on the 1997 tour in the UK, that was Timesquare – Dream Mixes two, and `Pixel Pirates'. Incidentally, `Dream Mixes 3' should be available next month, and I hope to play tracks on Astral Voyager when it comes back in a few weeks. And shading it literally by half a point, the album voted at number four is interesting in the sense that for many it was the album that marked the renaissance of this particular version of Tangerine Dream as regards their usual studio output, as opposed to say, `The Dream Mixes'. It was the last to feature Linda Spa, the band's sax, horn and occasional keyboard player - and former model, which was enough to keep a lot of male fans happy even though in their view the music was a bit ordinary. Even though she's photographed on the back and in the inner sleeve notes, she only features on the last two tracks on the album, co-composing one of them. It was interesting to note that on the subsequent version released in Australia, all photographs of her were removed, as was the one track she was credited as co- composer, which to me indicates it may have been a less than happy split. The album we're talking about is `Goblins' Club', a title inspired by a plane journey and looking out of the window at the ground below – and this is interestingly titled `Lamb with Radar Eyes'... TANGERINE DREAM: GOBLIN'S CLUB Track 6: Lamb with Radar Eyes (8.42) Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS VOLUME 1 Track 5 From their 1996 studio album, the last to be recorded on a separate label before the band started to release albums on their own – that was `Goblins' Club', and the wonderfully titled `Lamb with Radar Eyes'... You're listening to Astral Voyager with me, Roger Hartopp, here on Radio Rak, broadcasting on 100.5FM in the Krakow area of Poland, and on the World Wide Web. Number three – which itself only beat `Goblin's Club' by a half point - was a little bit surprising, bearing in mind much criticism was made at the time as regards the band's guest guitarist as being too dominant on the tracks he plays. But having said that, there are plenty of fine tracks on `220 Volt', our number three album, and this one – not featuring the guitar of Zlatko Pierca, the man in question - but one Jerome Froese. From 220 Volt, this is `Backstreet Hero'... TANGERINE DREAM: 220 VOLT Track 6: Backstreet Hero (8.49) Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS VOLUME 1 Track 7 A live album recorded on their North American tour back in 1992, that was `220 Volt' and `Backstreet Hero', voted in at number 3 as regards the best albums recorded by Edgar & Jerome Froese. Although it polled more votes than Goblins' Club, it was the only instance in the chart where it actually had less votes cast than the album beneath it – that is, 21 people cast votes for 220 Volt, while 22 cast votes for Goblins' Club. But 220 Volt beat Goblins' Club by half a point. The number two I have to say is a little bit of a surprise, although I myself gave it a point when I was making my selection, but even though it's a video soundtrack album to natural wonders to be found in the American Southwest, it's a very fine studio album in its own right, and I think it did quite well because it was released during a period when, well let's say the band's output was less than inspiring and was starting to lean too heavily towards the guitar. With no guitars at all, the number two album is `Oasis', and this is `Summer Storm'... TANGERINE DREAM: OASIS Track 7: Summer Storm (6.06) Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS VOLUME 1 Track 9 From the video soundtrack `Oasis', which finished at a very credible number two, and that was `Summer Storm'. I assume this tape is also on sale in the United States, but it is a little more difficult to get hold of in Europe, particularly because there are very few copies available in the PAL TV format. But I do know that these formats can be got hold of across the Atlantic. One assumes, if not already, that it will be available as a DVD. And now here's the top Ten Tangerine Dream albums voted by you, the fans – At ten, from 1999, `Valentine Wheels', an album of classic Tangerine Dream material recorded live in 1997; at nine, from last year, the sedate `Seven Letters From Tibet'; at eight, another live album, the second half of the set played during their concerts in 1997; `Tournado'; At seven, a video soundtrack album from 1999, `What A Blast'; at six, `The Dream Mixes' followed at number 5 by `Dream Mixes two' – otherwise known as `Timesquare'... at number four, the 1996 studio album `Goblins' Club', at three, the 1992 live album `220 Volt', and at two, the other video soundtrack, `Oasis'. The number one album should be of no surprise to all fans of the band. Recorded two years ago as a kind of soundtrack to the ill-fated Mars Polar Lander, for me this was an album that seems to have had more thought and more time put into it, and some of the tracks here are very clever indeed. Three quarters of those who voted included this album in their top five, and it's by far the most popular album, receiving a total of 117 points, as opposed to `Oasis', which received 73 points. It's not the band's best album as regards their history, but it stands out head and shoulders as regards their recent output. From 1999 – it's Mars Polaris. TANGERINE DREAM: MARS POLARIS Track 8: Astrophobia (9.57) Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS VOLUME 1 Track 11 `Astrophobia', from the number one album `Mars Polaris' as voted for by the fans and recorded by Edgar and Jerome Froese of Tangerine Dream from 1991 to the present day. Thank you all very much for listening to this special edition of Astral Voyager. My thanks to Peter Karamon, my sound engineer, and thanks too to Joe Shoults for allowing me to hijack his discussion group – and those 45 who voted from the group - for the purposes of putting together the show. `Astral Voyager' is now taking a five week break; we'll be back on Friday the 18th of May, hopefully playing tracks from the new Tangerine Dream album – `Dream Mixes 3'. Next week Dan Lehman will be sitting in this spot with his own show; `Piwnica Rats', so join him from 10pm to 11pm. `Music For The Night Bats', broadcast in English and Polish, follows this programme. You're listening to Radio Rak, broadcasting on 100.5FM in the Kraków area of Poland, and on the World Wide Web. I'm Roger Hartopp – I'm off to Shepherd's Bush in London – see you in five weeks. Goodnight. THIS PART NOT USED FOR BROADCAST: Thanks to the following who casted their votes: Sean A.; Colin Anderson; Frank Arellano; Bennett; Thomas Bertilsson; Bob (pw098); Daniel (quarlie); Rolf Elfstrom; Utch Entel; Poul Erik; Steven Feldman; David Foster; Greg (designx); J. Gordon; Roger Hartopp; Heiko Heerssen; Daniel Hobrecht; Bert Hulshoff; James E. Jacoby; Gary Jenkins; Colin Jouxson; Koulos Kostas; Paul Lawler; Rimas Lazutka; Marion; Piotr S. Millenium; Sean Montgomery; Morgan; Michal Moroz; Heiko Neumann; Dennis Nigbur; Antonio Nunes; Odym.; James Owens; Peter Ravn; Eric Rochon; Olle Rundgren; Mathew Sawyer; Joe Shoults; Lawry Simm; Brian Stewart; Matthew Stringer; Armin Theissen; Uwe; Steve Yensen. So, the final results were: 1 Mars Polaris (117 points from 32 votes cast) 2 Oasis (73/24) 3 220 Volt (64/21) 4 Goblins' Club (63.5/22) 5 Timesquare – Dream Mixes 2 (63/20) 6 The Dream Mixes (57/18) 7 What A Blast! (41/12) 8 Tournado (28/10) 9 The Seven Letters From Tibet (27/9) 10 Valentine Wheels (20/7) 11 Tyranny of Beauty (18/7) 12 Turn of the Tides (17.5/6) 13 The Great Wall of China (15/7) 14 Quinoa (14/6) 15 Rockoon (13/4) 16 Transsiberia (11/5) 17 Ambient Monkeys (7/2) 18 Hollywood Years Vol 1 (6/2) =18 Zoning (6/2) 20 Rumplestiltskin (5/2) 21 Hollywood Years Vol 2 (0/0) A few notes: Those votes cast for a top four only were marked as 5, 4, 3, 2; and Mat Sawyer's three Ed & Jez choices in his Top 5 has been awarded 5, 4 & 3. Those who gave their Top Fives `in no particular order' were all given an even three points each. So no-one, absolutely no-one has a fondness for Hollywood Years Vol 2. I'm surprised Zoning is placed so low because it really isn't a bad album at all. Even Ambient Monkeys has two fans out there. The rest are probably as expected, but the closeness of the albums at 3, 4 & 5 is surprising, and I think a lot of us will be surprised at the popularity of 220 Volt. So, what do you all think? Comments, anyone? Okay – hope you enjoyed the show (if only recreating it in the mind)... Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26691 Re: The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - rad j.gordon Mon 4/9/2001 18 KB 26692 Re: The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - rad j.gordon Mon 4/9/2001 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Apr 6, 2001 10:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio tra nscript excellent! What is your URL for the radio shows? I know I tried to go there a long time ago, but the site wouldn't load, despite me being on a T1 line. If you've fixed it, post the link here for everybody and I'll add it to the tadream.net site. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...] > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:47 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio > transcript > > > Here is the transcript ... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26679 Re: The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - rad Gary Jenkins Sat 4/7/2001 2 KB 26698 Re: The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - rad Feldon Feldon Mon 4/9/2001 3 KB 26724 Re: The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - rad Roger Hartopp Thu 4/12/2001 3 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 7:44 am Subject: Re: The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio tra nscript Thanks Roger great post of your show,glad to see my five choices featured in the top six,which highlights a great improvement in there output since DM 1 arrived. Cheers Gary. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...] > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:47 PM > > To: tadream@y... > > Subject: [tadream] The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio > > transcript > > > > > > Here is the transcript ... From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 10:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane Are there different covers for Fractal Realities then? I do not have a cover that lists any tracks at all. I guess I should type out the tracks that has been provided by the list and put that as my back cover. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane > 26:51 Mojave Plan extended version (White Eagle) > 04:20 Calymba City part 2 (Antique Dreams) > 08:20 Thermal Inversion (unreleased-Sea of Dreams compilation) > 01:20 Remote Viewing (Exit) > 03:45 Force Majeure excerpt > 02:45 '81-82 Ending theme' (Logos) > > >From: 'Ronald Clercx' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [tadream] Fractal Realities In A Shattered Plane > >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:44:00 +0200 > > > >Hey everybody > > > >Thanks to another subscriber of this group I got my hands on a copy of > >Fractal Realties In A Shattered Plane (recorded in Melbourne Hall 01-03-82 > > > >The only thing we are missing is a tracklist. Can anybody help out here? > > > >Friendly regards > > > >Ronald > > > > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ > >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > >Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 8:01 pm Subject: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] Hello everyone! From time to time, I consider playing Goblins' Club, because I keep noticing that some people like it, so I'm still looking for the good points of it. So far I think it's boring and forgettable, but I remember I liked Towards the Evening Star and Rising Haul in Silence. The only thing is that I couldn't remember what RHIS was like; I only knew it was a bit chaotic, with lots of different sections. Many months ago, I posted about this album saying it was 'enjoyable'. I don't remember what exactly I wrote about it. So once again, I'll give this album a chance. TTES Very good. You just have to forget the drum rolls (always the same drum roll). ADM Percussion is slightly excessive. Sequences are uninteresting / uninspiring, the same goes for the weak melodies. The samples('dressen nevedenah, poshvee poshvee', 'check heebeedee' in the end) just make the track weirder. OCP Better than the previous. It makes me remind of Tyranny, but I haven't heard Tyranny this year yet. At least there's the guitars, which are nice. Those choral sounds played here and in ADM are really uninteresting. And those chord sequences... they're 'blah'. The track could've been much better. Again, the melodies are weak, just few notes and chords played all with the same duration. RHIS I always have a sort of déjà vu when I hear the little tune in the intro. I wonder if I had heard it before in the past. Percussion is more interesting, there's a real melody, and it's not bad at all. The track goes a bit uninteresting, and then shortly after the 2:00 mark it has a promising change. The percussion stops and then comes back, with a nice guitar melody. At the 4 minute mark there's a kind of bridge, and then it stops again, with some harp sounds. It sounds like the track is ending, but then the probably best moment in the track is played. An excellent yet simple tune is played, with good chords. An early theme is played again then. From 4:00 to 5:40 (right now), the track begins to flow very nicely. Another early theme is replayed and then the track begins to end. The theme is replayed again and the track ends. This could be considered the best track in GC. It's not a masterpiece, but it's very good anyway. Maybe even better than the first track. UGP There are some blah chorals in this track. The intro has guitars, playing a little nice melody. After the intro it has an end-of-album style; I don't know exactly how to describe this. It doesn't develop much, but it's not boring as ADM and OCP. It's a good track. Not as good as RHIS and TTES, maybe, but much better than ADM and OCP. LWRE There are some distorted sounds in the intro, which is nice. Then some percussion very similar to something used before. Again, uninteresting melody with long notes (1:30). Give me the Ricochet part 1 guitar theme any time. Long notes, but immensely more effective. Percussion gets faster (2:10), but still there's essentially nothing here. Just filler. At 2:50 it changes to a nice passage a bass melody that makes me think of James Bond movies or something like that. Sometime close to 4:00 it's just filler again. 4:40:blah,blah,blah. 4:50:blah,blah,blah... at 5:10 it changes again, but it's uninteresting again. A weak melody is repeated over and over... at 6:30 or something some nice chords are played. Later, there's a piano theme that really sounds like something I've heard before in the album. Another blah track like ADM and OCP. EJATMP Wow, this track's beginning was my strongest memory of GC. The moment it began, was like playing that old album you liked and lost, and then found it again. This intro was just sitting forgotten in my memory. The melody is ___beautiful___, and it's probably the first time I really, really enjoy the music, almost like I do when playing those classic TD albums we all like. You should hear this track, it's maybe almost as nice as Tiergarten, for example. For the first time the choral sounds are used in a good way. The length of the track is perfect, 4:43. This is certainly one of the best tracks in GC. SMS Its intro is just a bit blah. At 2:00 there are some cymbals and some old synth noises. A little sequence begins. A theme appears at 2:40, and it IS good. The track continues flowing nicely, with an instrument change. The percussion begins around 5:00, and it IS good, and fits in the music very well. After 5:30, the melody and chords begin to annoyingly wander a bit until almost 7:00, when the percussion changes. The music changes then but it seems to be kind of lost, there's nothing much to listen to in here (7:00-8:30). At 8:30, percussion stops and the music begins to end, but it still isn't anything worth writing home about. This track begins nicely but unfortunately it gets lost around 5:30. The problem of this album is that the 'less good' tracks are very boring and/or uninteresting. What saves it from being 100% crap are, in my opinion, Towards the Evening Star, Rising Haul in Silence, United Goblins' Parade and Elf June and the Midnight Patrol. So, considering number of tracks, you could say it's 50% crap. And the 50% which is crap is totally forgettable music; they sound like leftovers. And this forgettable music simply ruins the whole idea one might have about GC. I was very glad to have found those other 2 good tracks, UGP and Elf June, specially Elf June. My suggestion is: get your GC, and play only these tracks, in this order: track 1 (TTES); track 4 (RHIS); track 7 (EJATMP); track 5 (UGP). That makes a nice collection of tracks, and if TD had more inspiration or worked more, putting 4 more tracks as good as those, this could've been a very good album, dare I say excellent. GJ, who took one year to really have a definitive opinion about GC. (I have it since 26/feb/2000) Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26684 Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] Richard Sun 4/8/2001 3 KB 26754 Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] Joe Shoults Mon 4/16/2001 2 KB 26759 Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] Antonio Nunes Tue 4/17/2001 2 KB 26761 Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] lawlermusic Tue 4/17/2001 2 KB 26762 Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] Feldon Feldon Tue 4/17/2001 3 KB 26767 Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] glynn_naughton@h... Wed 4/18/2001 2 KB 26794 Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] Nigbur D Mon 4/23/2001 3 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 8:22 pm Subject: THE KEEP on ebay ATTENTION Hi all, ATTENTION please: on ebay is an item called: THE KEEP (see below) and this is not a 2CD release only a 2CDR release. Here my Question for the seller and the answer: >They are cd-rs > Hi, is the item really a 2CD Release or only a 2CDR-Release??? It is possible > to send a scan from the CD`s to my email adress: heiko@o... > Thank you. heineu > -------------------- > > > Question from: heineu > Title of item: TANGERINE DREAM THE KEEP SOUNDTRACK + EXTRA!! > Seller: enero30 > Starts: Apr-04-01 21:54:19 PDT > Ends: Apr-11-01 21:54:19 PDT > Price: Currently $51.00 > To view the item, go to: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1421904224 Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 2:09 am Subject: Dream Watchers Hey there all, sorry for the delay (going to the person who sent me the Cdr copy), BUT I did receive my Dream Watchers Cds in the mail just the other day, and they are absolutely incredibly totally fabulously awesome. THANKS THANKS THANKS. To all the artists and musicians who have put their heart and hard work into doing this material, cudos going out your way. You guys have done awesome, incredible work. I am very very appreciative of listening to this, and most definately to the person who sent me copies, THANKS. You're the coolest. Anyone not having a copy of this, I was promised several copies, however I only received one copy, BUT in the meantime, if you were/are in a leaf of mine, I think I've passed those onto someone else, as it took awhile, BUT I am fully prepared to help assist in any way, shape or form to provide copies to others who want this. If you don't know, GET IT. It's worth every penny you won't have to spend (and someone was kind enough to provide me with links online to download the artwork which is AWESOME and STUNNING), so I'll send the links that way too. If interested, e-note me off the list. Thanks again everyone. This stuff is absolutely fabulous. Great work. dan P.S. JUST wondering (BIG GRIN) when's DW 2 coming out? :) hehehehe Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com Crackasmile, TeslaGroup, TheTradingCircle, ChristianRockMusic, Found HERE! http://www.yahoogroups.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), MSN Messenger

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26696 Re: Dream Watchers DoKToR STRaNGe Mon 4/9/2001 3 KB From: Richard Date: Sun Apr 8, 2001 7:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] >EJATMP >Wow, this track's beginning was my strongest memory of GC. The moment it began, >was like playing that old album you liked and lost, and then found it again. >This intro was just sitting forgotten in my memory. The melody is >___beautiful___, and it's probably the first time I really, really enjoy the >music, almost like I do when playing those classic TD albums we all like. You >should hear this track, it's maybe almost as nice as Tiergarten, for example. >For the first time the choral sounds are used in a good way. The length of the >track is perfect, 4:43. This is certainly one of the best tracks in GC. This thread has just reminded me to ask you guys a question. Way back when, TD started to put 'sheet music' up on their site. I believe the first one was this track. Did anyone download it. If so could you send it to me. Also, does anyone know why the y stopped the idea? All the best -- Richard Ford [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Sun Apr 8, 2001 8:15 am Subject: blue room producer.... Anyone know if the third player on Blue Room (Haslinger/Baumann) is really the producer of some of (Judas Priest's) lead vocalist Rob Halford solo albums? And who's the female backup on Blue Room? --tei np Blue Room _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26687 Re: blue room producer.... Dave Brewer Sun 4/8/2001 3 KB 26688 Re: blue room producer.... Michael A Jean Mon 4/9/2001 4 KB 26697 Re: blue room producer.... tei waz Mon 4/9/2001 2 KB From: 'Hilary Wright' Date: Sun Apr 8, 2001 2:36 pm Subject: Re: Red Heat movie trailer with TD music You could try a program called Messer - Memo Session Sound Recorder - its freeware, unlike totalrecorder, and you can get it at http://www.dago.pmp.com.pl/messer/ I used it to grab the Red Heat trailer without any problems. If anyone wants an mp3 copy ley me know off list. Hilary --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > try a program called TotalRecorder. it will capture anything going through > your soundcard. > http://www.totalrecorder.com > > I have an old version; contact me offlist for more info. > > Joe > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > trailer for Red Heat (1985)... > > > > The link is: > > > > http://us.imdb.com/Trailers?0089892&2397&100 > > > > If anyone has any luck grabbing the tune, let me know off- list. From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Sun Apr 8, 2001 3:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] blue room producer.... Coming out of lurk mode again... I'm not sure about Baxter, other than he was in the band Reflex (who did 'The Politics of Dancing'). Actually, I think he kinda sounds like the lead singer from Queensryche in some spots. As for the female vocalist, I believe Haslinger said in interviews that that was Nona Hendryx, who of course contributed more vocals on his solo albums. I wonder why they had to scrap this project when it was pretty much finished? Seems a shame to waste so much effort and time. Dave B. (back to lurking and eagerly awaiting Okefenokee 2001...) -----Original Message----- From: tei waz To: tadream@yahoogroups.com ; teiwazbarana@h... Date: Sunday, April 08, 2001 1:15 AM Subject: [tadream] blue room producer.... >Anyone know if the third player on Blue Room (Haslinger/Baumann) is really >the producer of some of (Judas Priest's) lead vocalist Rob Halford solo >albums? And who's the female backup on Blue Room? > >--tei > >np Blue Room Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26688 Re: blue room producer.... Michael A Jean Mon 4/9/2001 4 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 2:16 am Subject: RE: [tadream] blue room producer.... I think there was an article about it back in BEYOND THE HORIZON...If I find my old issues I'll let you know...Unless Dave or Brian recall...(I think they are on the list) MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Brewer [mailto:deibu@i...] > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 11:44 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] blue room producer.... > > > Coming out of lurk mode again... > > I'm not sure about Baxter, other than he was in the band Reflex (who did > 'The Politics of Dancing'). Actually, I think he kinda sounds > like the lead > singer from Queensryche in some spots. > > As for the female vocalist, I believe Haslinger said in > interviews that that > was Nona Hendryx, who of course contributed more vocals on his > solo albums. > > I wonder why they had to scrap this project when it was pretty much > finished? Seems a shame to waste so much effort and time. > > Dave B. (back to lurking and eagerly awaiting Okefenokee 2001...) > > -----Original Message----- > From: tei waz > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com ; > teiwazbarana@h... > Date: Sunday, April 08, 2001 1:15 AM > Subject: [tadream] blue room producer.... > > > >Anyone know if the third player on Blue Room (Haslinger/Baumann) > is really > >the producer of some of (Judas Priest's) lead vocalist Rob Halford solo > >albums? And who's the female backup on Blue Room? > > > >--tei > > > >np Blue Room > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 6:13 am Subject: D: Solo discussion weeks Solo discussions fizzled in the planning stages apparently. I don't have a lot of time to organize or collaborate on this project unfortunately. I think every one of Edgar Froese's solos should have a week to itself, and then Beyond the Storm and any of his other compilations (the lone track on the 70-80 box) should have 1 week to itself. I think every one of Chris Franke's solo CDs (excluding Babylon 5) should have a week to itself. Then I'm not sure how to handle the B5 stuff. I think every one of Peter Baumann's solo CDs should have a week to itself. I think every one of Johannes Schmoelling's solo CDs should have a week to itself. (his remixes could be discussed the same week as the original) Maybe a few weeks of good tidings and discussions about influential albums from Klaus Schulze, Klaus Krieger, Steve Joliffe, Paul Haslinger, and anyone else who contributed for a relatively short period. And 1 or 2 weeks dedicated to Jerome Froese's contributions and what we think of his solo work (lots of composing credits guessing involved!) Hope I haven't jumbled things even more! -Morgan P.S. I do have all of EF's solos now, so I could start out doing 1 a week. I reviewed Epsilon but nobody else did. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 8:04 am Subject: Schmoelling's Zoo of tranquility 1988 CD at eBAY Hi Folks, for anyone who's interested in an original 1988 Theta CD copy of Johannes Schmoelling's 2nd solo release 'Zoo of tranquility' have a look at the following URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1421913719 The auction expires in 2 days. Heiko From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 8:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio transcript hey, roger... that was great... it was like i was there in my mind... with all the music and everything... i wonder how you chose the tracks you chose to play on the show... first, because, without an exception, you chose tracks that i wouldn't have chosen... =), and second, your choices provided and interesting cross section of those sampled albums... just curious, and thanks again for the transcription... it was great... j.gordon --- Roger Hartopp wrote: > Here is the transcript for the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten, as broadcast on > Poland's Radio Rak: > > ASTRAL VOYAGER: Prog 046, Friday 6 April 2001 > > R: Good evening. I'm Roger Hartopp, and welcome to a very special > edition of Astral Voyager, here on Radio Rak, broadcasting on 100.5 > FM in the Kraków area, and on all over the world courtesy of the > World Wide Web. Tonight's show features the Top Ten albums recorded > by the band from the period 1991 to 2000. > Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS > VOLUME 1 Track 2 > Tangerine Dream have been around now for just over thirty years, and > gone through over thirty different band members, but the few last > years have been constant in the sense that the two regular members > through this time have been Edgar Froese, the band's founder member, > and his son Jerome. This period of the band's career hasn't been > without its controversy, with differing views from its fans as > regarding the musical direction. But the band will be playing a > concert in London on May the 12th to celebrate the release of their > latest album, Dream Mixes 3, a CD of recent and new Tangerine Dream > material and given the dance treatment. To celebrate this event, I > asked a number of fans from a discussion group recognised by the band > what their favourite albums were from Edgar & Jerome, affectionately > known as Eddy & Jerry. There have been – arguably – 21 releases, > excluding compilations, and each fan was asked for their top five > choices. An album placed at number 1 in an individual's list would > receive five points, number two four points, and so on, all the way > down to number one, which would get one point. 45 fans cast their > votes and here are the results. Even if you're not a Tangerine Dream > fan, or you know little of the band, you should find the sheer > variety of music the band have produced quite entertaining – I'd like > to think there isn't a duff track tonight. Due to the fact we only > have an hour-long programme, I'll only be playing short excerpts from > the albums voted at 10, 9, 8 & 7. Let's start at number ten – a live > album recorded at The Shepherd's Bush Empire in 1997, and eventually > released in 1999 – this is Valentine Wheels, and Betrayal... > TANGERINE DREAM: VALENTINE WHEELS Track 2: Betrayal > From the album voted at number 10, that was `Betrayal'. Now, at > number nine, a CD that has split fandom right down the middle. A much > more quiet, sedate side to the band – no percussion or sequencers – > this polled enough votes to put it into the number nine position. > From last year, the album is `The Seven Letters From Tibet', and this > is `The Green Land'... > TANGERINE DREAM: THE SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET Track 4: The Green Land > Actually, all the tracks have one thing in common on `The Seven > Letters From Tibet' – they mention colours, that is if you count the > track `The Golden Heart' as a colour, i.e. Yellow. The track listing > is `The Red Blood Connection', `The Orange Breath', `The Golden > Heart', `The Green Land', `The Blue Pearl', `The Indigo Clouds' and > `The Purple of all Curtains'. Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, > indigo and purple – or violet, or the colours of the rainbow. > This is at number eight. Another live album – my personal favourite – > from 1997, and recorded here in Poland – from `Tournado', this is > `Flashflood'... > TANGERINE DREAM: TOURNADO Track 2: Flashflood (7.49) > Recorded live on the 23rd of April 1997 at the `Dome Muziki i Tanca' > in Zabrze, Poland, that was `Flashflood', from the album `Tournado'. > It was essentially the set that was performed when they also toured > Britain in November of that year, and with the same line-up as the > `Valentine Wheels' album. In fact, if you put the two albums > together, you essentially have the full concert as performed in that > year. Let's move onto the album voted at number seven. That album is > `What a Blast', and this is `Silver Siren'... > TANGERINE DREAM: WHAT A BLAST! Track 2: Silver Siren > You're listening to Astral Voyager with me, Roger Hartopp, here on > Radio Rak, broadcasting on 100.5FM in the Krakow area of Poland, and > on the World Wide Web. Now let's concentrate on the Top six, as these > six were streets ahead of the rest of the field, clearly showing that > there is definite consensus as regards the band's best albums. During > the first half of the 1990's, most fans were agreeing that a large > majority of the band's output was somewhat average. In the meantime, > Jerome, who is actually quite keen on dance music and even deejays on > occasions as TDJ Rome, decided that maybe the band's music could do > with the remix treatment. There had been many approaches in the past > from various artists and producers to remix Tangerine Dream material > – to date, there's only been one example of a track being authorised > for remixing by the band, and they were less than happy with it – but > if a track is going to be remixed, as far as the band is concerned, > they're going to do it so it remains a Tangerine Dream product. And > the results were previously dull average tracks suddenly given an > incredible new lease of life, along with some outstanding new > material. It would be a style that would occasionally carry through > to their normal output as well. What started this was `The Dream > Mixes'. And this was voted at number six... > TANGERINE DREAM: THE DREAM MIXES Disc 1 Track 5: Virtually Fields > (6.50) > Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS > VOLUME 1 Track 3 > From the TDI version of `The Dream Mixes' – there were in fact two > versions, a single and a double CD release - that was `Virtually > Fields', voted in at number six. > Despite the fact that 45 people casted votes in this poll, the albums > placed at numbers five, four and three literally only had one point > between them. It really was that close. This album received a total > of 63 points, the album at four getting 63.5 and the number three 64. > As a result of the positive response metered out to `Dream Mixes' – > particularly after it was re-issued as a double CD with extra tracks > – Jerome Froese, the instigator of the original project, decided to > embark on the same exercise, although this time remixing just two > tracks and the rest being new material. The result of this was > `Timesquare' – Dream Mixes two' – and this is `Pixel Pirates'... > TANGERINE DREAM: TIMESQUARE Track 5: Pixel Pirates (6.55) > Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS > VOLUME 1 Track 4 > There was really nothing in it between the two Dream Mixes albums as > far as your votes went. Originally made available on the 1997 tour in > the UK, that was Timesquare – Dream Mixes two, and `Pixel Pirates'. > Incidentally, `Dream Mixes 3' should be available next month, and I > hope to play tracks on Astral Voyager when it comes back in a few > weeks. > And shading it literally by half a point, the album voted at number > four is interesting in the sense that for many it was the album that > marked the renaissance of this particular version of Tangerine Dream > as regards their usual studio output, as opposed to say, `The Dream > Mixes'. It was the last to feature Linda Spa, the band's sax, horn > and occasional keyboard player - and former model, which was enough > to keep a lot of male fans happy even though in their view the music > was a bit ordinary. Even though she's photographed on the back and in > the inner sleeve notes, she only features on the last two tracks on > the album, co-composing one of them. It was interesting to note that > on the subsequent version released in Australia, all photographs of > her were removed, as was the one track she was credited as co- > composer, which to me indicates it may have been a less than happy > split. The album we're talking about is `Goblins' Club', a title > inspired by a plane journey and looking out of the window at the > ground below – and this is interestingly titled `Lamb with Radar > Eyes'... > TANGERINE DREAM: GOBLIN'S CLUB Track 6: Lamb with Radar Eyes (8.42) > Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS > VOLUME 1 Track 5 > From their 1996 studio album, the last to be recorded on a separate > label before the band started to release albums on their own – that > was `Goblins' Club', and the wonderfully titled `Lamb with Radar > Eyes'... > You're listening to Astral Voyager with me, Roger Hartopp, here on > Radio Rak, broadcasting on 100.5FM in the Krakow area of Poland, and > on the World Wide Web. Number three – which itself only beat > `Goblin's Club' by a half point - was a little bit surprising, > bearing in mind much criticism was made at the time as regards the > band's guest guitarist as being too dominant on the tracks he plays. > But having said that, there are plenty of fine tracks on `220 Volt', > our number three album, and this one – not featuring the guitar of > Zlatko Pierca, the man in question - but one Jerome Froese. From 220 > Volt, this is `Backstreet Hero'... > TANGERINE DREAM: 220 VOLT Track 6: Backstreet Hero (8.49) > Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS > VOLUME 1 Track 7 > A live album recorded on their North American tour back in 1992, that > was `220 Volt' and `Backstreet Hero', voted in at number 3 as regards > the best albums recorded by Edgar & Jerome Froese. Although it polled > more votes than Goblins' Club, it was the only instance in the chart > where it actually had less votes cast than the album beneath it – > that is, 21 people cast votes for 220 Volt, while 22 cast votes for > Goblins' Club. But 220 Volt beat Goblins' Club by half a point. > The number two I have to say is a little bit of a surprise, although > I myself gave it a point when I was making my selection, but even > though it's a video soundtrack album to natural wonders to be found > in the American Southwest, it's a very fine studio album in its own > right, and I think it did quite well because it was released during a > period when, well let's say the band's output was less than inspiring > and was starting to lean too heavily towards the guitar. With no > guitars at all, the number two album is `Oasis', and this is `Summer > Storm'... > TANGERINE DREAM: OASIS Track 7: Summer Storm (6.06) > Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS > VOLUME 1 Track 9 > From the video soundtrack `Oasis', which finished at a very credible > number two, and that was `Summer Storm'. I assume this tape is also > on sale in the United States, but it is a little more difficult to > get hold of in Europe, particularly because there are very few copies > available in the PAL TV format. But I do know that these formats can > be got hold of across the Atlantic. One assumes, if not already, that > it will be available as a DVD. > And now here's the top Ten Tangerine Dream albums voted by you, the > fans – > At ten, from 1999, `Valentine Wheels', an album of classic Tangerine > Dream material recorded live in 1997; at nine, from last year, the > sedate `Seven Letters From Tibet'; at eight, another live album, the > second half of the set played during their concerts in 1997; > `Tournado'; At seven, a video soundtrack album from 1999, `What A > Blast'; at six, `The Dream Mixes' followed at number 5 by `Dream > Mixes two' – otherwise known as `Timesquare'... at number four, the > 1996 studio album `Goblins' Club', at three, the 1992 live album `220 > Volt', and at two, the other video soundtrack, `Oasis'. > The number one album should be of no surprise to all fans of the > band. Recorded two years ago as a kind of soundtrack to the ill-fated > Mars Polar Lander, for me this was an album that seems to have had > more thought and more time put into it, and some of the tracks here > are very clever indeed. Three quarters of those who voted included > this album in their top five, and it's by far the most popular album, > receiving a total of 117 points, as opposed to `Oasis', which > received 73 points. It's not the band's best album as regards their > history, but it stands out head and shoulders as regards their recent > output. From 1999 – it's Mars Polaris. > TANGERINE DREAM: MARS POLARIS Track 8: Astrophobia (9.57) > Backing track for voiceover: TANGERINE DREAM: THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS > VOLUME 1 Track 11 > `Astrophobia', from the number one album `Mars Polaris' as voted for > by the fans and recorded by Edgar and Jerome Froese of Tangerine > Dream from 1991 to the present day. Thank you all very much for > listening to this special edition of Astral Voyager. My thanks to > Peter Karamon, my sound engineer, and thanks too to Joe Shoults for > allowing me to hijack his discussion group – and those 45 who voted > from the group - for the purposes of putting together the show. > `Astral Voyager' is now taking a five week break; we'll be back on > Friday the 18th of May, hopefully playing tracks from the new > Tangerine Dream album – `Dream Mixes 3'. Next week Dan Lehman will be > sitting in this spot with his own show; `Piwnica Rats', so join him > from 10pm to 11pm. `Music For The Night Bats', broadcast in English > and Polish, follows this programme. > You're listening to Radio Rak, broadcasting on 100.5FM in the Kraków > area of Poland, and on the World Wide Web. I'm Roger Hartopp – I'm > off to Shepherd's Bush in London – see you in five weeks. Goodnight. > > THIS PART NOT USED FOR BROADCAST: > > Thanks to the following who casted their votes: > > Sean A.; Colin Anderson; Frank Arellano; Bennett; Thomas Bertilsson; > Bob (pw098); Daniel (quarlie); Rolf Elfstrom; Utch Entel; Poul Erik; > Steven Feldman; David Foster; Greg (designx); J. Gordon; Roger > Hartopp; Heiko Heerssen; Daniel Hobrecht; Bert Hulshoff; James E. > Jacoby; Gary Jenkins; Colin Jouxson; Koulos Kostas; Paul Lawler; > Rimas Lazutka; Marion; Piotr S. Millenium; Sean Montgomery; Morgan; > Michal Moroz; Heiko Neumann; Dennis Nigbur; Antonio Nunes; Odym.; > James Owens; Peter Ravn; Eric Rochon; Olle Rundgren; Mathew Sawyer; > Joe Shoults; Lawry Simm; Brian Stewart; Matthew Stringer; Armin > Theissen; Uwe; Steve Yensen. > > So, the final results were: > > 1 Mars Polaris (117 points from 32 votes cast) > 2 Oasis (73/24) > 3 220 Volt (64/21) > 4 Goblins' Club (63.5/22) > 5 Timesquare – Dream Mixes 2 (63/20) > 6 The Dream Mixes (57/18) > 7 What A Blast! (41/12) > 8 Tournado (28/10) > 9 The Seven Letters From Tibet (27/9) > 10 Valentine Wheels (20/7) > 11 Tyranny of Beauty (18/7) > 12 Turn of the Tides (17.5/6) > 13 The Great Wall of China (15/7) > 14 Quinoa (14/6) > 15 Rockoon (13/4) > 16 Transsiberia (11/5) > 17 Ambient Monkeys (7/2) > 18 Hollywood Years Vol 1 (6/2) > =18 Zoning (6/2) > 20 Rumplestiltskin (5/2) > 21 Hollywood Years Vol 2 (0/0) > > A few notes: Those votes cast for a top four only were marked as 5, > 4, 3, 2; and Mat Sawyer's three Ed & Jez choices in his Top 5 has > been awarded 5, 4 & 3. Those who gave their Top Fives `in no > particular order' were all given an even three points each. > So no-one, absolutely no-one has a fondness for Hollywood Years Vol > 2. I'm surprised Zoning is placed so low because it really isn't a > bad album at all. Even Ambient Monkeys has two fans out there. The > rest are probably as expected, but the closeness of the albums at 3, > 4 & 5 is surprising, and I think a lot of us will be surprised at the > popularity of 220 Volt. > So, what do you all think? Comments, anyone? > Okay – hope you enjoyed the show (if only recreating it in the > mind)... > > Roger Hartopp > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 8:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio transcript hey, roger... that was great... it was like i was there in my mind... with all the music and everything... i wonder how you chose the tracks you chose to play on the show... first, because, without an exception, you chose tracks that i wouldn't have chosen... =), and second, your choices provided and interesting cross section of those sampled albums... just curious, and thanks again for the transcription... it was great... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 12:46 pm Subject: coverart Hi- Can anyone can help Tomas with this question? Thanks, Joe -----Original Message----- From: Totta Rydqvist [tomas.rydqvist@g...] To: tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com Sent: 4/8/01 5:56 PM Subject: Hi Hi Im looking for a site that contains coverart made by fans to fantapes and cdr's Do you know if there is such site ?? Looking forward to hear from you Tomas From: 'Keith Richie' Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 3:49 am Subject: Back on the list after 2 years Man, it's great to be back. I feel like I've been in a black hole for the past two years since I have not been on the list I was krichie@n..., but lost that account when a good friend passed away. I have so many TD CDs that I need to catch up on to be able to discuss things intelligently so give me time. Anyways, check out my site sometime if you guys get a chance. Take Care Keith Richie keithrichie@h... http://www.mp3.com/KeithRichie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Ronald Clercx' Date: Sun Apr 8, 2001 12:48 pm Subject: Backcover The Keep 1997 Hey everybody I got my hands on a copy of The Keep 1997 lim. edition. The only thing that is missing is a decent copy of the ORIGINAL backcover. Can anybody scan it in an send it as a JPEG to Ronald.Clercx@y... or give me a link where I can download the ORIGINAL backcover. I already tried several CD cover search sites, without any hits, so please be specific if you know a link. Many thanks Ronald From: DoKToR STRaNGe Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 10:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Watchers Thanks a lot to all , who , like Winnie the Pooh ,are enthousiasts about Dream Watchers Tales works(D-sign&Music).For me,it was an happy & constructiv moment (special mention to YANNICK for the Finalised-Organisation & Konzept ). I am totally agree for a D.W.T. 2 ....But , perhaps ? , more extended , for ex: one cd atmo-amb-sequenced-climax and the second more rythmic-soli-melodic&electro ? It's just an exemple , if you have suggestions , you are welcome . More infos about my productions ( olds & news & futures ) coming soon (off list ) by another member-site. Analogically your , Doktor STRANGE/Erick. From: 'tei waz' Date: Sun Apr 8, 2001 8:19 am Subject: re: blue room producer.... Oops, guess it would help if I told you the Blue Room third player's name--John Baxter. --tei sp Blue Room _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Apr 7, 2001 12:12 am Subject: RE: [tadream] The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio tra nscript They talked about going to a newer RealAudio or something. I highly suggested Shoutcast due to its ease of setup and considerably higher quality than RealAudio (and less demand on the server) in the same amount of bandwidth. The fact that it's free doesn't hurt. I never heard anything back from them. I think Roger said that a webcast wouldn't happen. -Morgan >From: Joe Shoults >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Subject: RE: [tadream] The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio tra >nscript >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:06:28 -0400 > >excellent! What is your URL for the radio shows? I know I tried to go >there a long time ago, but the site wouldn't load, despite me being on a T1 >line. If you've fixed it, post the link here for everybody and I'll add it >to the tadream.net site. > >Joe > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...] > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:47 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio > > transcript > > > > > > Here is the transcript ... > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 6:26 pm Subject: Hotmail Slowness Folks, Is it normal for Hotmail to delay posts to the list for 3 days? I have another e-mail account, but I was pretty used to having Hotmail catch my tadream stuff. I'll set a set to move to my new e-mail. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26707 Re: Hotmail Slowness Joe Shoults Tue 4/10/2001 3 KB From: 'Scott' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 8:07 pm Subject: FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) Go to www.wintaper.com and download Wintaper. It's a great program for catalogging fan tapes, but also contains a program for creating tape & CD inserts that is so easy, yet makes such wonderful inserts, that it out to cost much more. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Totta Rydqvist To: tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 08, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: Hi >Hi > >Im looking for a site that contains coverart made by fans to fantapes >and cdr's >Do you know if there is such site ?? > >Looking forward to hear from you > >Tomas > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26702 Re: FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) Totta Rydqvist Mon 4/9/2001 3 KB 26704 Re: FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) Feldon Feldon Mon 4/9/2001 3 KB 26705 Re: FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) Totta Rydqvist Mon 4/9/2001 4 KB 26845 searching for a member j.gordon Tue 5/1/2001 2 KB 26846 searching for a memebe j.gordon Tue 5/1/2001 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 6:05 am Subject: Miracle Mile showing on FLIX For anyone having trouble finding Miracle Mile for rent on video, it has just gone into rotation on FLIX. Of course, if I had a TiVo, I'd have a recording of it now! (I would have tangerine dream as keywords on the Wishlist [which has more complete info than your cable or satellite provider] AND I would have put miracle mile specifically a few weeks ago when we discussed it) -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) HI Im not looking for a program that makes the labels, that i got , what im looking for is a site that contains alredy done covers, such as vic's Viritual fils amd so on. Thanks Totta Scott wrote: > Go to www.wintaper.com and download Wintaper. It's a great program for > catalogging fan tapes, but also contains a program for creating tape & CD > inserts that is so easy, yet makes such wonderful inserts, that it out to > cost much more. > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: Totta Rydqvist > To: tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 08, 2001 5:56 PM > Subject: Hi > > >Hi > > > >Im looking for a site that contains coverart made by fans to fantapes > >and cdr's > >Do you know if there is such site ?? > > > >Looking forward to hear from you > > > >Tomas > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 5:16 am Subject: The Keep on FilmFour Hi all, For those of us able to receive it, I have it on good authority that the rarely-screened 'The Keep' will be broadcast by FilmFour later this year in its correct aspect ratio of 2.35:1, complete, of course, with TD's mythical soundtrack. - Chris Owen 'I like to start the month with a postman.' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 9:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) Scott, thanks for the link but he needs the original artwork that goes with each bootleg and concert tape/CDR. -Morgan >From: 'Scott' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:07:25 -0400 > >Go to www.wintaper.com and download Wintaper. It's a great program for >catalogging fan tapes, but also contains a program for creating tape & CD >inserts that is so easy, yet makes such wonderful inserts, that it out to >cost much more. > >Scott > >-----Original Message----- >From: Totta Rydqvist >To: tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com >Date: Sunday, April 08, 2001 5:56 PM >Subject: Hi > > > >Hi > > > >Im looking for a site that contains coverart made by fans to fantapes > >and cdr's > >Do you know if there is such site ?? > > > >Looking forward to hear from you > > > >Tomas > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 9:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) Hi folks , again Just a note , if someone is interested we can trade covers, i got a huuge collecton. Just let me know Totta Feldon Feldon wrote: > Scott, thanks for the link but he needs the original artwork that goes with > each bootleg and concert tape/CDR. > > -Morgan > > >From: 'Scott' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [tadream] FW: Fantape/CDR cover art (was: Fw: Hi) > >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:07:25 -0400 > > > >Go to www.wintaper.com and download Wintaper. It's a great program for > >catalogging fan tapes, but also contains a program for creating tape & CD > >inserts that is so easy, yet makes such wonderful inserts, that it out to > >cost much more. > > > >Scott > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Totta Rydqvist > >To: tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com > >Date: Sunday, April 08, 2001 5:56 PM > >Subject: Hi > > > > > > >Hi > > > > > >Im looking for a site that contains coverart made by fans to fantapes > > >and cdr's > > >Do you know if there is such site ?? > > > > > >Looking forward to hear from you > > > > > >Tomas > > > > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ > >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > >Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 12:19 am Subject: D:Solo [EF - Epsilon] Hello everyone, Morgan has said only he reviewed Eddy's Epsilon in Malaysian Pale, his second solo album, released in 75 after Aqua (74). I don't know if I posted anything about EIMP, but I really have nothing to say about it except that it's one of the BEST electronic albums EVER. It's like a Mellotron heaven. It's almost 40 minutes of (Mysterious Semblance + Rubycon sequences)². Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 12:27 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Hotmail Slowness if you switch to a new e-mail address, there might be a delay, as I've got the list on 'bew subber moderation' until I, Joel or Scott upgrade the user to regular post status. how's it oging, BTW? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 2:27 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Hotmail Slowness > > > Folks, > > Is it normal for Hotmail to delay posts to the list for 3 > days? I have > another e-mail account, but I was pretty used to having > Hotmail catch my > tadream stuff. I'll set a set to move to my new e-mail. > > -Morgan > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Mon Apr 9, 2001 2:24 am Subject: Shepherds Bush - Ad in Classic Rock Magazine Hey there all, just wanted to make a mention of the TD gig that is repeatedly mentioned in the Classic Rock Magazine ads. I've seen it three months running now, and although it does me no good (cuz I live in the States, maybe one day I'll make the trip over there if I can convince my wife it's really worth it for a concert), but it's just great seeing ads likes that, and for Spocks Beard, Marillion, and others just like it. I'm definately impressed. I've also seen a ton of ads in there in the past for other bands that get NO publicity/popularity/advertising or promo at all here in the states, and just wanted to let ya blokes know overseas how friggin' lucky you are. I'd about croak if I ever heard TD anywhere remotely mentioned here in the States. Where I Live? If it isn't having anything to do with the Crapstreet Boys, or HitMe Spears, they don't play it. Dan P.S. Just curious obviously someone will be taping/DAT/mini discing the show? 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 9:03 am Subject: Fantape/CDR cover art Shouldn't this discussion better move to the unmoderated list ? Anyway, here are my two cents: When CDRs started to replace cassette tapes as the media of choice to distribute concert recordings, it also became a custom to title the releases and make nice picture covers. This was very, very rare in the times of MCs. Although the 'title-mania' certainly adds to the confusion about what releases are out there, the whole thing in general is an unexpected, but very nice development. Unfortunately, there are bozos out there. In the times of the MC, those were the guys who'd copy you a great radio recording high-speed onto the cheapest ferro tape with a $50 dual tape deck. CDR technology deprives them (mostly) of chances to fuck up the music, so they trade you CDRs with fax quality copies of the covers, usually incomplete as well. There are two major conclusions to draw from this, the first one is pretty simple: don't trade with bozos more than once. The second one is less obvious: whenever possible, get the stuff from the person who originally made them. Doesn't make as much difference in sound quality as in the old days, but in terms of cover quality, it does. Also, it's a way of appreciating the work done for digitizing (even more so for cleaning up the sound) and cover design, by giving the originator the chance for a few trades. The last one is just a remark to shed some light on the fact why you'll very,very rarely (I don't remember a single time) find the original 'producer' to offer his original cover to someone who traded with a bozo down the line. By the way, as nice as they look, I am strickly against stick-on labels on CDRs. Some of these papers will warp the CDR when humidity conditions change and can make it unplayable even at 1x speed. Put on even slightly off-center will make the CDR a bitch to run in high-speed drives. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26710 Re: Fantape/CDR cover art Totta Rydqvist Tue 4/10/2001 4 KB 26711 Re: Fantape/CDR cover art Joe Shoults Tue 4/10/2001 3 KB From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 12:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fantape/CDR cover art Hi This wasnt supose to be a discussion, i was simply asking if someone got a url for the covers, and i under stand that it will be hard to find the persons that mada the covers and finaly i dont care how you want your cd's, i want the cover and not empty jewelcases. Totta Klaus Beschorner wrote: > Shouldn't this discussion better move to the unmoderated list ? > > Anyway, here are my two cents: > > When CDRs started to replace cassette tapes as the media of choice > to distribute concert recordings, it also became a custom to title > the releases and make nice picture covers. This was very, very > rare in the times of MCs. > > Although the 'title-mania' certainly adds to the confusion about > what releases are out there, the whole thing in general is an > unexpected, but very nice development. > > Unfortunately, there are bozos out there. In the times of the > MC, those were the guys who'd copy you a great radio recording > high-speed onto the cheapest ferro tape with a $50 dual tape > deck. CDR technology deprives them (mostly) of chances to > fuck up the music, so they trade you CDRs with fax quality > copies of the covers, usually incomplete as well. > > There are two major conclusions to draw from this, the > first one is pretty simple: don't trade with bozos more than > once. > > The second one is less obvious: whenever possible, > get the stuff from the person who originally made them. > Doesn't make as much difference in sound quality as in > the old days, but in terms of cover quality, it does. > > Also, it's a way of appreciating the work done for > digitizing (even more so for cleaning up the sound) > and cover design, by giving the originator the chance > for a few trades. > > The last one is just a remark to shed some light on > the fact why you'll very,very rarely (I don't remember > a single time) find the original 'producer' to offer > his original cover to someone who traded with a > bozo down the line. > > By the way, as nice as they look, I am strickly against > stick-on labels on CDRs. Some of these papers will warp > the CDR when humidity conditions change and can make it > unplayable even at 1x speed. Put on even slightly off-center > will make the CDR a bitch to run in high-speed drives. > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 2:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Fantape/CDR cover art We only ask that you do not *conduct or solicit trades* on-list for boots. Discussing boots is perfectly ok! In fact, we were recently debating whether to discuss Boots or Solos in a weekly discussion series. Solo albums sorta won, but nobody is picking up the reins to set up a schedule for discussion like Lawry did so well for the Album discussion series. But that certainly doesn't mean you can't post a review of a boot any time you want! Just properly name the subject as: D:Studio[album_name] D:Solo[solo_album_name] D:Boot[boot_name] For boots, sometimes they have a different 'name' for the same concert. I suppose it would be fine to put the 'name' in there, like D:Boot[coefficient of aural expansion] as opposed to something like D:Boot[02/04/75](coefficient of aural expansion) or D:Boot[coefficient] BTW: Steve's got them all listed here: http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/mytd.htm Joe > -----Original Message----- > Subject: [tadream] Fantape/CDR cover art > Shouldn't this discussion better move to the unmoderated list ? From: Felna Greymane Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 3:39 pm Subject: CDR covers I also have been trying to maintain a collection of covers (from back when Joe had the FTP site up). Just email me with what your looking for and I'll see if I can find it....I have over 200 discs artwork. Jeff Stevenson greymane@k... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 8:20 pm Subject: Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' Hi, I got an email response on my webpage recently. Somebody asked me for a track which I could not spot on any official release but only as the first encore on the boot 'Sonamulistic Imagery'. But maybe somebody of you knows more and can help out! The author of the following email has agreed that I post her request to this list, so you may answer her directly. If you feel uncomfortable with this, send your email to me and I forward it. cheers armin From: Anndel401@a... Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:44:45 EDT Subject: Legend Soundtrack To: ath@s... Content-Disposition: Inline Hello, I was very happy to find your web page as I have been interested for some time in a track from the Legend soundtrack. Actually, the specific piece of music is a very short bit that comes at the very end of 'Loved by the Sun.' The piece I am interested in comes after the 'Luna' character says, 'Sweet songs of youth, the wise, the meeting of all wisdom; to believe in the good in man.' After this, there is the prettiest bit of music that is played throughout the movie, but only a short bit on the soundtrack. Long story short; any chance you know where I can get the full piece of music on cassette or cd? Sincerely, Ann and just to proove that she really agrees on me posting this: Dear Armin, thank you so much for getting back to me and taking all that time and effort to help me. It's such a sweet tune that it's a shame to not be able to hear all of it. I will be looking for that bootleg copy and yes, please forward my request. Sincerely, Ann DelConte Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26714 Re: Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' Michael V Miller Tue 4/10/2001 2 KB 26722 Re: Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' Phil Wingfield Wed 4/11/2001 4 KB 26736 Re: Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' tei waz Fri 4/13/2001 2 KB From: Michael V Miller Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 8:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' I too loved that little bit. I would like to know where I could find it. Mike 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Apr 10, 2001 9:45 pm Subject: homepage update new swaplist, some news on the concert list, a new rarity of the month have fun cheers, klaus http://www.caby.de/Music From: 'Carlo' Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 1:59 am Subject: Still list members? Hi there, Just wondering if Gabe Yedid is still a member of either list. If you (Gabe) are seeing this message, please contact me on my new email addess - I have something you've been waiting for: cruggiero@m... Also, hoping Fred Y is still talking to me. Fred, I sent you an email a week and haven't received a reply. Hoping you will write back soon. Sorry for resorting to this, Carlo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26717 Re: Still list members? gyedid@p... Wed 4/11/2001 2 KB From: gyedid@p... Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 3:44 am Subject: Re: Still list members? Hello Carlo, Yes I am still on the list, albeit in deep lurk mode. Please send me your full address at gyedid01@y... (@m... must work well as an anti-spamming strategy) Something I've been waiting for? I think I've clean forgotten what it is! Gabe From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 2:55 pm Subject: D:[Bootlegs] Croydon Fairfield Hall October 23, 1975 At this moment I'm working (err...;-) in my office and listen to the Croydon Fairfield Hall 23.10.1975 audience recording. This is 63 minutes of sheer brilliance and I remember that some years ago Edgar Froese said in an interview that on that evening they played like they were in trance. As much as I like bands like Redshift, AirSculpture, Arcane etc. I now realize what a huge and influential group TD was in the 70's... nothing really comes close to albums like Ricochet (the 2nd track on Croydon was the main source for 'Ricochet Part 2' and it's nice to hear the original music), Rubycon or Phaedra. Over the last 2 years I have mostly been listening to unreleased Tangerine Dream material, and if I would have to come up with a Top 10 list this will ALWAYS be my Number 1 (followed by a few concerts from 1976 which I think was the golden year of TD playing improvised live music) Unfortunately my English isn't good enough to describe the music of the Croydon concert, but then again no words can describe the beauty and power of this music :-) Sometimes it's so intense that it leaves me speechless...if TD would have released the whole concert as a double album it would still have the same power and quality of 'Ricochet'. The most incredible moment for me is the encore (11 minutes)..I would gladly give away my entire Jarre & Schulze collection just to be able to listen to this piece of music. If you listen to Christopher Franke's recent output it's hard to believe that this man was capable of playing such brilliant improvised sequencer melodies. My regards go to Chris (who is also a Tadream list member) for taping the Croydon concert (& many other beautiful concerts from the mid 70's) Heiko From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 3:13 pm Subject: OT - Heads-up - Porcupine Tree to precede TD at Shepherds Bush o n May 11 For those of you attending the SBE show, note that a group named Porcupine Tree - excellent Prog Rock - will be playing SBE the night before TD. If you're already making the trip, it's very much worth going the extra day early! Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26721 Re: OT - Heads-up - Porcupine Tree to precede TD Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chal Wed 4/11/2001 2 KB 26723 Re: OT - Heads-up - Porcupine Tree to precede TD Phil Wingfield Wed 4/11/2001 3 KB From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 5:03 pm Subject: RE:beautiful song from legend that the soundtrack misses Hey Magic Lovers, I also had this mad desire to find this song, mainly from the taste I got at the 86 Albuquerque concert, I totally blissed/chilled out. from memory I beleive its on: an Electrobeats show with Jerome the Electronic Orgy boot has two different cuts the 86 US tour boots Are there more? I remember writing the td home page begging for a release. If you have problems finding some of the above I might be able to help. Good Luck, Steve *********************************************************** Dear Armin, thank you so much for getting back to me and taking all that time and effort to help me. It's such a sweet tune that it's a shame to not be able to hear all of it. I will be looking for that bootleg copy and yes, please forward my request. Sincerely, Ann DelConte Message: 6 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:37:29 -0400 From: Michael V Miller Subject: Re: Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' I too loved that little bit. I would like to know where I could find it. Mike 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love of Christ. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Heads-up - Porcupine Tree to precede TD at Shepherds Bush o n May 11 Joe Shoults said: > For those of you attending the SBE show, note that a group named Porcupine > Tree - excellent Prog Rock - will be playing SBE the night before TD. If > you're already making the trip, it's very much worth going the extra day > early! I concur! This is an excellent band, and well worth seeing live. Very Pink Floyd-y. This is a killer double-bill, I envy anyone seeing this. In fact, I am now going to have to investigate going... -- Face down in the lap of luxury, and nowhere to GO but DOWN... :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 8:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' Whoa, I know this one. I asked the very same question and someone on this list pointed me at a website and I downloaded it. I hope they can point the site out again as I quite forget where it was. I have the track and I could write it to CD I think, if all else fails. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: Armin Theissen To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: [tadream] Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' > > Hi, > > I got an email response on my webpage recently. Somebody asked > me for a track which I could not spot on any official release > but only as the first encore on the boot 'Sonamulistic Imagery'. > But maybe somebody of you knows more and can help out! > > The author of the following email has agreed that I post her > request to this list, so you may answer her directly. If you > feel uncomfortable with this, send your email to me and I > forward it. > > cheers > > armin > > From: Anndel401@a... > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:44:45 EDT > Subject: Legend Soundtrack > To: ath@s... > Content-Disposition: Inline > > Hello, > I was very happy to find your web page as I have been interested for > some > time in a track from the Legend soundtrack. Actually, the specific > piece of > music is a very short bit that comes at the very end of 'Loved by the > Sun.' > The piece I am interested in comes after the 'Luna' character says, > 'Sweet > songs of youth, the wise, the meeting of all wisdom; to believe in the > good > in man.' After this, there is the prettiest bit of music that is > played > throughout the movie, but only a short bit on the soundtrack. Long > story > short; any chance you know where I can get the full piece of music on > cassette or cd? > Sincerely, > Ann > > > and just to proove that she really agrees on me posting this: > > Dear Armin, > thank you so much for getting back to me and taking all that time and > effort > to help me. It's such a sweet tune that it's a shame to not be able > to hear > all of it. I will be looking for that bootleg copy and yes, please > forward > my request. > Sincerely, > Ann DelConte > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 8:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Heads-up - Porcupine Tree to precede TD at Shepherds Bush o n May 11 Superb band, I second that motion. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Shoults To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:13 PM Subject: [tadream] OT - Heads-up - Porcupine Tree to precede TD at Shepherds Bush o n May 11 > For those of you attending the SBE show, note that a group named Porcupine > Tree - excellent Prog Rock - will be playing SBE the night before TD. If > you're already making the trip, it's very much worth going the extra day > early! > > Joe > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Thu Apr 12, 2001 6:36 am Subject: Re: The results of the Eddy & Jerry Top Ten - radio tra nscript --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > excellent! What is your URL for the radio shows? I know I tried to go > there a long time ago, but the site wouldn't load, despite me being on a T1 > line. If you've fixed it, post the link here for everybody and I'll add it > to the tadream.net site. > > Joe Hi everyone. Sorry to take so long to reply (it takes three days for digests to reach me), so to answer a few points: Being rather ignorant regards how things work, the thing can be found on: http://rak.uci.agh.edu.pl/raudio.html But although I was told there would be an upgrade on RealAudio3, this has yet to happen. I have written messages and asked personally the director of the station to upgrade, but with little effect. Anyway, I'm not on the air now for five weeks; I'm taking a break, aand then making my way over to the UK at the end of the month. Incidentally, I will have a temporary e-mail address there, which I will post hopefully later today. Incidentally, the show is back on the air on May 18th. How did I come to choose the tracks? I really wanted to avoid the obvious ones (Towards the Evening Star, Waterborne, Timesquare, Comet's Figure Head, etc. as I think folks would have liked to hear something else from these albums. But I hope I still chose good tracks. But now I will retire from chart compilations, so if anyone else wants to give it a go... it's all yours. I'm looking forward to being a normal, and regular, list member. Roger From: michael.hartopp@t... Date: Thu Apr 12, 2001 6:52 am Subject: A test from Roger Hello everyone again, This is just a test to see if my temporary e-mail address in the UK works. For the time being, I can still be found at gmroger@p... but from April 28 to May 11 this will be my e-mail address. Roger From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Apr 11, 2001 12:54 am Subject: OT- Taping off a computer Hi, Anybody here know how I can hook my computer to my stereo so as record from LP and cassette to internal CD-R, and from DVD-ROM to videotape? I have a Gateway PC with a DVD-ROM, CD-R burner, and a CD-RW. I want to transfer my Nightcrawlers tapes to CD, and want to copy a few VCDs to videotape (and if I could copy a few DVDs to videotape, that would be nice, too). And for that matter, how would I go about burning a VCD from a videotape??? PLEASE REPLY O F F L I S T -- not here. -- Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Thu Apr 12, 2001 1:46 pm Subject: TD Web site Hello there, Is it just me, or has the TD site been down for over a week now? Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26729 Re: TD Web site Feldon Feldon Thu 4/12/2001 2 KB 26730 Re: TD Web site Joe Shoults Thu 4/12/2001 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Apr 12, 2001 3:29 pm Subject: Hollywood Years sources (from the TD FAQ) Hi all, A few days back someone asked about the source of the Hollywood Years tracks. I remember now that the info was included in the TD FAQ http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdfaq.htm (maintained by Steve Jenkins), so I pulled it down to repost here: 29) Subject: Where did the tracks on Hollywood Years 1 and 2 originate from ? Hollywood Years 1 and 2 were released in 1998, with no indication from the band as to which Films or OSTs the music came from. The members of the Tadream list have attempted to guess where the music originates and this is detailed below. It does not have any *official* validity, and you may agree or disagree with the information. Hollywood Years Vol. 1: #3: 'Goldhunter' contains the Swamp-Hag theme from LEGEND, though highly Tangentized. The Tangentizing is actually borrowed from the Dream Dice bonus disk track 3: 'craving for cardomon' #4: 'Law Paradiso' is actually 'One Fine Day in Siberia' from Edgar Froese's _Beyond The Storm_. #5: 'La petite rue noir'--rather Near Dark-ish #6: 'Propeller Beach'--The Park Is Mine #7: 'Autumn In Sonoma'-- Is this a snippet of the Sountrack for Skyscrapers maybe? #8: 'Chamber of Hope'--might be a Man Inside leftover #9: 'The Quiet Gambler'--similar to one of the Zoning tracks... #10:'The Principle Source'--sounds rather 85-86ish, circa Le Parc. #11: 'Labeo' definitely sounds like it would have been a leftover from _Thief_: nice long sequencer track, dark mood, etc. #12: 'Escape from Shadowland'--Makes me think it was a rejected early version of 'Mothers of Rain'. #13: 'Chronos Mile--believe it or not, it seems to me it's actually structured rather like the '80s renditions of 'Silver Scale' Hollywood Years Vol. 2: #1: 'South Camora' is actually Walkabout from Edgar Froese's _Pinnacles_. It is also similar to a track from Logostypes (boot), as well as #8: 'Sign in the Dark' from _The Keep_ special edition (TDI). #2 Similar to Heartbreakers #3: 'Midas Touch' is similar to 'Dolphin Dance' (UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT) and 'Investigation' (from THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack; check the track at the 1:19 mark and the 2:18 mark). Also some resemblence to Canyon Dreams. #4: 'City Monk' is the exact same track as 'Ulan Ude' (Transsiberia, #7). Similar sounds to Shy People/Deadly Care #5: Similar to _Rockoon_. #6: 'Cool Ma Bell' sounds incredibly close to 'The Fight is On' from _3 O'CLOCK HIGH_, but that song is credited to Sylvester Levay (though that might be a misprint...). Also similar to_Near Dark_. #7 Similar to Heartbreakers #8 Similar to Firestarter / Red Nights #9: 'Token from Birdland' also appears on _Ambient Monkeys_ . #11 Similar to Canyon Dreams/Shy People #12 Similar to 220 Volt #13: 'Riding the Lizard Overland' is from the soundtrack of Red Heat (unreleased). It also sounds a lot like 'Tiergarten' from _Le Parc_ Hope this helps. James From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Apr 12, 2001 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Web site I have had no problem connecting in the last few days. (Just tested it now too). -Morgan >From: glynn_naughton@h... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] TD Web site >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:46:20 -0000 > >Hello there, > >Is it just me, or has the TD site been down for over a week now? > >Glynn _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Apr 12, 2001 5:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD Web site just you > -----Original Message----- > From: glynn_naughton@h... [mailto:glynn_naughton@h...] > Is it just me, or has the TD site been down for over a week now? > > Glynn > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Apr 12, 2001 6:29 pm Subject: Dry Spell Project If you *DO* have pretty much every original TD CD, but *DO NOT* have many (or any) concert recordings of theirs, please e-mail me. If you've already e-mailed me about this project a few weeks back, I've already got you on the list. Looks like I'll be able to make something actually happen pretty soon. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Victor Rek Date: Fri Apr 13, 2001 2:50 am Subject: Okefenokee 2001 - Starting up next week! Well, I'm very exciting along with 15 other fans/participants about the upcoming Okefenokee 2001 gathering! We'll be heading down on April 20th. I think the Air Sculpture folks are getting packed as I write this e-mail. And Marcel, I'll be at the airport on Wednesday - please bring some of your new Free System Projekt CDs plus maybe a few extra Oke-2000 CDs? :-) Anyway, expect to hear some interesting stories when we get back. Roger already has a few surprises prepared. It looks like we are having a wetter year this year so we should see deeper water in the swamp which means more to explore. And I'm looking forward to the electronic swamp music (and maybe even Jan?). Also, Edgar and Jerome - there is a spot reserved for you just in case :-) Vic From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Fri Apr 13, 2001 6:23 pm Subject: Easter wishes Happy Easter for all Tangerine Dream Fan`s. Watch out for my first Auction 2001 on: www.opticaldream.de from 22.04. to 06.05.2001 Dream on Heiko from Burg/Germany www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26737 Re: Easter wishes E Neal Frost Fri 4/13/2001 3 KB From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Fri Apr 13, 2001 9:34 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Easter wishes ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:23 PM Subject: [tadream] Easter wishes > Happy Easter for all Tangerine Dream Fan`s. > > Watch out for my first Auction 2001 on: www.opticaldream.de > from 22.04. to 06.05.2001 > > Dream on > Heiko from Burg/Germany > www.opticaldream.de > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26735 Sv: [tadream] Easter wishes Poul Erik Fri 4/13/2001 3 KB From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Fri Apr 13, 2001 9:36 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Easter wishes Ooooooooops, previous one had to be a reply :o) Well, happy easter to you to Heiko :o) Cheers from Poul > Happy Easter for all Tangerine Dream Fan`s. > > Watch out for my first Auction 2001 on: www.opticaldream.de > from 22.04. to 06.05.2001 > > Dream on > Heiko from Burg/Germany > www.opticaldream.de > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Apr 12, 2001 6:58 pm Subject: Re: Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' Re: Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' >Whoa, I know this one. I asked the very same question and someone on this list pointed me at a website and I downloaded it. I hope they can point the site out again as I quite forget where it was< I pointed it out and it's down now--I just checked. He's got material's hallucination engine and steve reich's drumming up there now. --tei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri Apr 13, 2001 11:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Easter wishes Happy Easter Wishes to all.... From me as well. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Poul Erik' To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:36 PM Subject: Sv: [tadream] Easter wishes > Ooooooooops, previous one had to be a reply :o) > > Well, happy easter to you to Heiko :o) > > Cheers from > Poul > > > Happy Easter for all Tangerine Dream Fan`s. > > > > Watch out for my first Auction 2001 on: www.opticaldream.de > > from 22.04. to 06.05.2001 > > > > Dream on > > Heiko from Burg/Germany > > www.opticaldream.de > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri Apr 13, 2001 11:33 pm Subject: James Owens Hello James, Received the package today at work. Am hoping I will get a chance to listed to the Dreamwatcher's Tales this weekend sometime. Will let you know, and review it to the list when I do. Have a great Easter! Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Fri Apr 13, 2001 11:34 pm Subject: Well Crap! Sorry Guys, Typed James Owens in the wrong line. Obviously that was supposed to be off list. Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Apr 14, 2001 8:27 am Subject: Easter Wishes Happy Easter to all try not to consume too many eggs. Beginning to count those days down only 4 weeks to go. A good easter for me so far won two e bay auctions for Zoo of Tranquillity 98 and Klemania at a bargain price anybody got any views on these two?, just got White Out 2000 which is excellent. Cheers Gary From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Apr 14, 2001 10:14 pm Subject: oo-er! I'm not sure quite what Edgar would have to say about the use of TD's name on this e-bay auction item!! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1134563682 (Please don't view if offended by mild nudity!) - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26743 Re: oo-er! John Marchington Sun 4/15/2001 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Apr 14, 2001 5:58 pm Subject: D:Tribute [Dreamwatchers' Tales] Hello everyone! I only wanted to say that I've played DT one or two times, and I liked the music in there very much. There was nice music, excellent music and even inspiring music in there. You really did a great work! I have only one complaint, about my contribution to the project, from which only the final minutes were used (not the best ones 'in my humble opinion' :), and also, the sound quality of the original wav file is better. It's originally 10 minutes long; I'll publish the original track somewhere, sometime in the near future. GJ np Jarre-Revolutions (not his best, but the title track and the Industrial Revolution tracks (overture-parts 1-2-3) are classics) Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sun Apr 15, 2001 6:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] oo-er! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Chris Owen' To: 'tadream Mailing List' Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: [tadream] oo-er! > > I'm not sure quite what Edgar would have to say about the use of TD's name on this e-bay auction item!! > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1134563682 > > (Please don't view if offended by mild nudity!) > > - Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun Apr 15, 2001 9:04 am Subject: Homepage update Hi all, my TD Fan Homepage was updated at 14.04.2001 please jump to: www.opticaldream.de NEWS: 4 new Chris Franke item`s in my collection can everyone tell me , the Tracklist for the : Chris Franke - Alchemy of love 4 track Single CD Version: Pioneer PIDA 1033 / Japan 1996 (4 Tracks) ? for picture of this look under: www.opticaldream.de/dream/Franke_Tracklist.htm#Aol1033 Regards heiko from burg/germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Sat Apr 14, 2001 6:55 pm Subject: NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work? Hey there all, sorry to bulk e-mail, BUT I've contacted yahoogroups help, with no response as of yet. Has anyone else had serious problems using the SEARCH function for yahoogroups? It's been down for THREE full days now, thus making you unable to locate and search for mailing lists. Anyone else having this problem? dan Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com Crackasmile, TeslaGroup, TheTradingCircle, ChristianRockMusic, Found HERE! http://www.yahoogroups.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), MSN Messenger

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MTV News Online http://www.mtv.com/nav/intro_news.jhtml [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Christopher Lomas' Date: Sun Apr 15, 2001 11:29 pm Subject: Shepherds Bush Empire Ticket Apologies for coming out of lurk mode simply in an effort to sell something, but I've ended up with a spare ticket for Shepherds Bush on May 12th, so if anyone is interested, I'm selling it for £15. Please contact me off list or go to the Yahoo auctions site working link below, I hope!) Thanks all Chris Lomas http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/50990377 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Apr 13, 2001 10:03 pm Subject: paging doctor strange My apologies to the list for this anyone have Doctor Strange's email address? please send it to me or Doctor Strange email me. Thanks, --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: patricdonaghy@w... Date: Mon Apr 16, 2001 4:19 am Subject: CD For Sale Original promo sampler of Klaus Schulze's Contempoary Works box set released in early 2001.Asking $40.00 USA, which includes priority mail to USA addresses. f foreign addresses add $5.00. Will also consider trade. CD has 4 songs not on box set. From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Mon Apr 16, 2001 11:39 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] OT: Joey Ramone I'm sad to hear. Poul > MTV is reporting that Joey Ramone has died at age 49 from complications > due to lymphatic cancer. Time of death was reported as 2:40 p.m. ET > (USA) Sunday April 15. So far (7:00 p.m.), a search of CNN, BBC, > NYTimes, etc. comes up empty. > > > MTV News Online > http://www.mtv.com/nav/intro_news.jhtml > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Apr 16, 2001 2:31 pm Subject: OT : NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work? yes, everybody is. On the list managers list, the speculation (unconfirmed by the yahoo admins usually present) is that it is a temporary condition related to yahoo purging adult content from its search directories. > -----Original Message----- > From: winnie the pooh [mailto:winniethepoohfan1@m...] ... > yahoogroups help, with no response as of yet. Has anyone else > had serious problems using the SEARCH function for > yahoogroups? ... > Anyone else having this problem? > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Tom Richmond Date: Mon Apr 16, 2001 3:17 pm Subject: help! Hey guys: I haven't heard from anyone on this branch of the DT tree (except Rainer, who's still waiting...): Jerzy Kapala - Poland - jerzynka@i... Michael Kupczyk - Poland - quichotte@p... Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz - Poland - yavi@t... Rainer Rutka - Germany - rainer@k... If someone could fill me in as to the status of this branch, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Apr 16, 2001 6:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] wow. I have to personally almost totally disagree with this opinion of Goblins' Club. I love the album (all except for one song) But I always think it is fun to think the vocals on 'At Darwin's motel' are singing ...'Mark Shreeve, Mark Shreeve...' listen to it- you'll hear what I mean. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavfj@m...] ... > >From time to time, I consider playing Goblins' Club, because > I keep noticing that some people like it, so I'm still > looking for the good points of it. So far I think it's boring > and forgettable, but I remember I liked Towards the Evening From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Tue Apr 17, 2001 12:18 am Subject: Offer: Videos with TD soundtrack Hi all, Got the following videos available for trade: Used Laser Discs: Miracle Mile US LD (1 spare) 3 O' Clock High US LD (1 spare) Asian VCDs (about a couple spares for each of below): Decade (deleted with obi, various artist sampler with Canyon Voices and Treasure Of Innocent) Risky Business double VCD Firestarter double VCD Universal Soldier double VCD My wants (mostly for a good friend): Rare CDs (not CDRs) of TD 70s live Rare CDs (not CDRs) of Vangelis Soundtrack Music Klaus Schulze - Poland Dzjekuje Polish double LP TD - the 5 12' vinyl singles of DJRome/Dream Mixes III If interested please contact me off-list. Thanks. Jeffrey From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Tue Apr 17, 2001 12:22 am Subject: TD DVD - comparison of different regions? Hi again Any of you ever compare any possible differences between TD DVD releases from different region codes? I own 2 different Oasis DVDs (1 from Region 1 US and the other Region 3 Asia) and they get chapters arrangement slightly different, so I suppose maybe some extras among different pressings might exist. Just thought this might be a topic of interest. Jeffrey From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Apr 17, 2001 12:20 am Subject: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work? There website barely gets updated once a month (or so it seems), and they are laying off lots of people...That is the likely cause of your lack of response from them... > -----Original Message----- > From: winnie the pooh [mailto:winniethepoohfan1@m...] > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:56 PM > To: AirSupply; AORMafia; BonJoviList; BonJoviList2; ChristianRockMusic; > CinderellaList; Crackasmile; HarryChapinList; JourneyDigest; > MonkeesList; RickSpringfieldList; SammyHagarList; SaganFans; TeslaGroup; > TangerineDream; TaDreamList; SupertrampList > Subject: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work? > > > Hey there all, sorry to bulk e-mail, BUT I've contacted > yahoogroups help, with no response as of yet. Has anyone else had > serious problems using the SEARCH function for yahoogroups? It's > been down for THREE full days now, thus making you unable to > locate and search for mailing lists. > > Anyone else having this problem? > > dan > > > > Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! > http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com > http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com > Crackasmile, TeslaGroup, TheTradingCircle, ChristianRockMusic, > Found HERE! http://www.yahoogroups.com > AOL IM (kayleighsdad), MSN Messenger

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> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Apr 17, 2001 12:24 am Subject: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work? I would have paid a subscription fee for EGroups. But since Yahoo has trashed the service, I'm expecting it to go belly up. -Morgan >From: 'Michael A Jean' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work? >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:20:22 -0400 > >Their website barely gets updated once a month (or so it seems), and they >are laying off lots of people...That is the likely cause of your lack of >response from them... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Apr 17, 2001 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] Joe Shoults wrote: > > wow. I have to personally almost totally disagree with this opinion of > Goblins' Club. I love the album (all except for one song) I used to hate this album, but then I've find out that if I skip the first track (Towards the evening star) I like the rest of the CD. Sorry 'Towards the evening star' fans, but I can't stand those 'canned' vocals also used by Enigma, Terry Oldfield and a couple of mp3.com artists. For me, the version included in Timesquare (without vocals) is much better. > But I always think it is fun to think the vocals on 'At Darwin's motel' are > singing ...'Mark Shreeve, Mark Shreeve...' listen to it- you'll hear what I > mean. Now that you mention it, it really seems so :-) Antonio Nunes np: At Darwin's Motel From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Apr 17, 2001 3:57 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work ? an 'AirSupply' list actually exists??? sorry, I'm not making fun of AirSupply fans, just surprised... > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:56 PM > > To: AirSupply; AORMafia; BonJoviList; BonJoviList2; > ChristianRockMusic; > > CinderellaList; Crackasmile; HarryChapinList; JourneyDigest; > > MonkeesList; RickSpringfieldList; SammyHagarList; > SaganFans; TeslaGroup; Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26788 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yaho Miguel Farah F. Sat 4/21/2001 2 KB 26789 Re: OT: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yaho E Neal Frost Sat 4/21/2001 3 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Tue Apr 17, 2001 4:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] > > Joe Shoults wrote: > > > > wow. I have to personally almost totally disagree with this opinion of > > Goblins' Club. I love the album (all except for one song) I always liked the great trombone playing of Roul Miller and Dean Clarke , and the startling performance of the Royal Buckminster choir on 'At Darwins Motel' . The Vienna boys choir do a great job of imperonating a Korg M1 in Elf June , as does Pawel Nyrouda on harp and indeed all of the other 'musicians'? on the album . Oh that cheeky Eds humour . > > > > But I always think it is fun to think the vocals on 'At Darwin's motel' are > > singing ...'Mark Shreeve, Mark Shreeve...' listen to it- you'll hear what I > > mean. > I bet the hours fly on by ;) Paul From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Apr 17, 2001 4:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] Hahahaha. Bitter? Edgar trashed Elf June. If he'd handed sheet music to the boys and let them perform, it would have been pretty nice. Instead, it sounds like he used one sample. -Morgan >From: 'lawlermusic' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:00:34 +0100 > > > > > > Joe Shoults wrote: > > > > > > wow. I have to personally almost totally disagree with this opinion >of > > > Goblins' Club. I love the album (all except for one song) > > >I always liked the great trombone playing of Roul Miller and Dean Clarke , >and the startling performance of the Royal Buckminster choir on 'At Darwins >Motel' . >The Vienna boys choir do a great job of imperonating a Korg M1 in Elf June >, >as does Pawel Nyrouda on harp and indeed all of the other 'musicians'? on >the album . >Oh that cheeky Eds humour . > > > > > > > > But I always think it is fun to think the vocals on 'At Darwin's >motel' >are > > > singing ...'Mark Shreeve, Mark Shreeve...' listen to it- you'll hear >what I > > > mean. > > > >I bet the hours fly on by ;) > >Paul > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26767 Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] glynn_naughton@h... Wed 4/18/2001 2 KB From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Mon Apr 16, 2001 8:07 pm Subject: NON TOPIC _ IcQ Hey there all. JUst the last quick note. I've finally gotten EVERYTHING fixed on my PC> If you're using IcQ, and I happen to have chatted with you on it in the past, e-mail me or IcQ me so I can re-add you. I've written all the names down of people I need to keep on my chats list, so if I don't hear from you, I'm assuming you're either using AOL IM, MSN or we don't talk :0 thanks. dan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Apr 18, 2001 3:23 am Subject: GC, and also TOB RE: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] HAH! It does sound like 'Mark Shreeve'! BTW, I caught myself the other day thinking about GC... I wonder if I'll like this even better than I do now (actually I like 50%)... I now think GC is better than Tyranny - all I remember about Tyranny is that when the third track began, I started feeling bored. All the tracks sound the same! (except for the first 2, which seem to be the best ones) >But I always think it is fun to think the vocals on 'At Darwin's motel' are >singing ...'Mark Shreeve, Mark Shreeve...' listen to it- you'll hear what I >mean. >Joe Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26765 Re: GC, and also TOB RE: Once again, D: Studio [G Greg Wed 4/18/2001 3 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Wed Apr 18, 2001 5:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] GC, and also TOB RE: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] I think Tyranny of Beauty is probably the best thing TD has done in the 90's other then Mars Polaris. I don't think all the tracks sound the same and Catwalk is the precursor to Dream Mixes. DM never rose to the promise of that track as the only track I like on DM is Virtually Fields and the Catwalk remix. As far as GC, Sad Merlin's Sunday (the last track) is the best - at over 10 minutes, it makes up for other weaker tracks on the album. I can't stand some of the e-guitar stuff on GC.. it's like some 80's mullet decided to hack up the tracks. Greg H. > I now think GC is better than Tyranny - all I remember about Tyranny is that when the third track began, I started feeling bored. All the tracks sound the same! (except for the first 2, which seem to be the best ones) > > Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... From: bert.hulshoff@d... Date: Wed Apr 18, 2001 6:53 am Subject: RE: [tadream] GC, and also TOB RE: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins ' Club] Gustavo wrote > All the tracks sound the same! > > > Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... > > Well I used to love those looong live concert versions of songs ;-) just see it as one song :-P Bert Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26795 Re: GC, and also TOB RE: Once again, D: Studio [G Nigbur D Mon 4/23/2001 2 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed Apr 18, 2001 8:49 am Subject: Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] >Hahahaha. Bitter? > >Edgar trashed Elf June. If he'd handed sheet music to the boys and >let them >perform, it would have been pretty nice. Instead, it sounds like he >used one >sample. > >-Morgan Well, Linda would've been OK; I doubt whether Jerome could read it. I've changed my opinion about this album somewhat. Used to think it was just another faceless 90s release, but now? 'Towards the Evening Star' is probably TD's anthem of the 90s, 'Rising Haul' and 'Lamb' are terrific, and 'Elf June' is the best example I've ever heard of a rock group doing music with classical harmonies. Great stuff. Glynn From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 7:03 pm Subject: anthems for each of the TD tracks Re: [tadream] once again, Goblins' Club Which makes me think of yet another best of list; but the question would be: 'Which you think is the anthem for each of the major TD periods'? Probably this question has been made before, but I can't remember now. Just for fun, here's my probable list: the pink years anthem: Fly And Collision of Comas Sola, no doubt about it. the old synthy noises, the flute, Chris' drumming. the anthem from 74-79 period (now that's hard. let me think.): now there are quite a few tracks, but I think Force Majeure is the definitive 74-79 anthem. That sequence that begins in the third section (6:45-9:20), and the melody, take me far above the clouds. the anthem for the Schmoelling years (80-85): this is a very rich period for anthems too. Hyperborea could be one. Warsaw in the Sun is another strong candidate. But I think the big, great winner is the Tangram theme which is played in the beginning of Pergamon, Quichotte part 1. the anthem for the Haslinger years: I don't have many albums after Underwater (still don't have Tyger, Optical Race), but Valley of the Kings from Lily on the Beach is an excellent track for me. What's interesting about Valley is that it's no big deal, I mean, there's not an unforgettable melody or sequence or anything really amazing, but this track is so well made and nice to hear that it has became one of my favourite TD tracks. Or maybe Alchemy of the Heart from Tyger is an even better anthemic track (I heard it in Spherical Harmonics). the anthem for the Jerome years: maybe Towards the Evening Star is the one. I have only 3 albums from the 90s, so I don't have many options. > I've changed my opinion about this album somewhat. Used to think it > was just another faceless 90s release, but now? 'Towards the Evening > Star' is probably TD's anthem of the 90s > Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26769 Anthems glynn_naughton@h... Thu 4/19/2001 2 KB 26780 Re: Anthems Matthew Stringer Fri 4/20/2001 2 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 12:37 pm Subject: Anthems --- In tadream@y..., Gustavo Jobim wrote: > Which makes me think of yet another best of list; but the question >would be: 'Which you think is the anthem for each of the major TD >periods'? Good thread. My choice: Early years: Wahn Baumann years: Stratosfear Schmoelling years: White Eagle Haslinger years: Dolphin Dance Jerome years: Towards the Evening Star Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26780 Re: Anthems Matthew Stringer Fri 4/20/2001 2 KB From: gmroger@p... Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 1:39 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales Are any of the folks meeting at Harveys' (Moon on the Green) on the night of the concert, part of the tree that produces the Dreamwatchers' Tales CDR? If so, I'd like to take that opportunity to get a copy, so let me know off list if you can do it. Roger -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26771 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales Richard Thu 4/19/2001 2 KB 26774 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales Geir Smedsrud Thu 4/19/2001 3 KB 29224 Dreamwatchers' Tales gmroger@p... Mon 9/24/2001 3 KB 31656 Dreamwatchers' Tales Roger Hartopp Fri 1/25/2002 12 KB 31667 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales Gustavo Jobim Fri 1/25/2002 3 KB 31678 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales RJF Sat 1/26/2002 2 KB From: Richard Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales In message <3ADF06A7.286.9FB43@l...>, gmroger@p... writes >Are any of the folks meeting at Harveys' (Moon on the Green) on the night of the >concert, part of the tree that >produces the Dreamwatchers' Tales CDR? If so, I'd like to take that opportunity >to get a copy, so let me know off list >if you can do it. That I s an interesting idea. How many people have actually received their copy? It has been very quite . -- Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26774 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales Geir Smedsrud Thu 4/19/2001 3 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 4:05 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Anthems I would agree with all of these, except perhaps White Eagle, for me 'Daydream' is their finest moment from that period, but then again the two tracks were both used for the 'Tatort' series so it seems we have remarkably similar taste... Paul ---------- >De : glynn_naughton@h... >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : [tadream] Anthems >Date : Jeu 19 avr 2001 14:37 > > --- In tadream@y..., Gustavo Jobim wrote: >> Which makes me think of yet another best of list; but the question >>would be: 'Which you think is the anthem for each of the major TD >>periods'? > > Good thread. My choice: > > Early years: Wahn > Baumann years: Stratosfear > Schmoelling years: White Eagle > Haslinger years: Dolphin Dance > Jerome years: Towards the Evening Star > > Glynn > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthems Because list members can't resist a poll: 70-73 White Clouds 74-79 Cloudburst Flight 80-85 Warsaw in the Sun 86-90 Ride on the Ray 90-00 Touchwood (forest mix) -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26775 Re: Anthems Michal Moroz Thu 4/19/2001 2 KB 26778 Re: Anthems Synthhtnys@a... Thu 4/19/2001 2 KB 26781 Re: Anthems Michal Moroz Fri 4/20/2001 2 KB 26786 Anthems Gary Jenkins Fri 4/20/2001 2 KB 26787 Re: Anthems Matthew Sawyer Fri 4/20/2001 2 KB From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 5:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hmmm, I can make 4 sets. If anyone is interested just tell me. Geir At 15:27 19.04.01 +0100, you wrote: >In message <3ADF06A7.286.9FB43@l...>, gmroger@p... writes > >Are any of the folks meeting at Harveys' (Moon on the Green) on the > night of the > >concert, part of the tree that > >produces the Dreamwatchers' Tales CDR? If so, I'd like to take that > opportunity > >to get a copy, so let me know off list > >if you can do it. > >That I s an interesting idea. How many people have actually received >their copy? It has been very quite . >-- >Richard > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Best Regards Geir -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQEVAwUBOt8nJCIZEgCohZg6AQGIDwf8Cjt0n8Z48lu7HOGCp5FN1PEEnesyD9bm sYv2ru8WNTMDtIunVVuGPvsWy3Sd7lz6lkUL1A1C1Ib3eSqRmnIdvwiVRcnhAfaz Pf0CbqzBFyTsJselU0SWwobGnjcp5zRbH4+hqx3P08MBieU1sz7jyrqADYoctp0k MQg/ldhrxaZAFly/OkRhdmFyCaWGZmbbFIx9UfnmDiHxcQnOhSctjVPyuS+vU477 UeFu4EPHgLPafTVn90eM2ZTjrzhSMMw6Uh9UhnMQU1o+RoS3mekUlwFDEAiumUt5 QXfaMHIiPmSnxLmLV7g0ZKpJaFHO+1Lb6ds7Bsdm0+dmE+TuYii0ow== =6BO+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 8:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthems cat moaning years: sunrise in the third system Baumann years: force majeure, first track - the music near the end, but not the 'jumping' one :) Schmoelling years: Logos - minute 20:00-25:00, Calymba Caly can also be Haslinger years: 21 century common man Chewing-Gum years: Towards the Evening Star Michal Moroz radziecka Technologia (na) Dnie oceanu From: PENFOLD Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 8:45 pm Subject: Haslinger Fwd: Re: Speaking of electronica... Got advice? Here's a interesting and good review of Haslinger from one of the Desert Freaks on the Burning Man List. >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:33:07 -0700 (PDT) >From: Michael Balistreri >Subject: Re: Speaking of electronica... Got advice? >To: PENFOLD , burnman-list@d... > > > Paul Haslinger's _Future Primitive_ and _World > > Without Rules_ have a > > electronica mixed with a World Music style. > >I have to vouch bigtime here for Paul Haslinger. World >Without Rules is mesmerizing and intense - it calls up >visions of alien plant goddesses being birthed into >our dimension among elaborate, neo-pagan ritual (at >least thats how Im affected - kinda reminds me of >feelings I get during Burning Man Operas).. >Its definitely on my top 5 for 'Music to Peak By'. >Penfold, you may know what Im talkin bout here, can I >get an AMEN! Now I gotta check out Future Primitive.. Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 10:14 pm Subject: Sheperd's Bush concert Hi all, I'm very happy to announce my very possible presence on May 12. Whoever gives at rat's you-know-what. Actually, I'll be staying with friends in the Manchester area and come to London (which I see far too often on business) on Saturday. Myself and Antony (a non-internet TD fan of loooong bearing and great guy) will join you wherever the pre-show meeting will be. Let me know. For once, I'll leave my standard footer with my mobile phone number for short-notice contacts. I'm really looking forward to see some of my old friends again, and some potential new friends ;-) cheers, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-174 3157754 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Apr 19, 2001 10:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthems Baumann years: force majeure, first track - the music near the end, but not > the 'jumping' one :) > *Ummm...... Baumann wasn't on Force Majeure... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: :'-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk' Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 6:36 am Subject: TD on TV Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but according to rockontv.com, Tangerine Dream are going to be on BET Jazz several times this weekend, starting tomorrow at F3P, SA4A, 5P, SU5A. (1 hour). Double-check your local listings, those times are EST to me. Some show called Jazz Alley TV. I don't get BET Jazz. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 8:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthems Ooh a list....! Early years (Pre Virgin): Whan Baumann years: Cherokee Lane (maybe Pheadra) Schmoelling years: Love on a Real Train (maybe Tangram) Franke years (Post Schmoelling): Song of the Whale Pt 2 (maybe London) Haslinger years (post Franke): Melrose Jerome years (post Haslinger): Hamlet Matt From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 8:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthems > Baumann years: force majeure, first track - the music near the end, but not >> the 'jumping' one :) >> >*Ummm...... Baumann wasn't on Force Majeure... >Poly > > Sorry, my fault :) Michal From: Victor Rek Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 1:17 pm Subject: Okefenokee 2001 has Begun! The Swamp gang is here in Atlanta and we're about to caravan to the swamp. We're packing all the gear and fans from all over USA and Europe has made it. We'll be checking back in after we return from the trip. Beautiful people, music and nature up ahead! A spot for the TDI folks ;-) is still available. Vic From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 2:23 pm Subject: Anthems >From: Gustavo Jobim >the anthem from 74-79 period (now that's hard. let me think.): Why don't you make it 74-77 and 78-79? I think there was a clear change in direction when Baumann left. /Olle From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 2:53 pm Subject: Auction on OPTICALDREAM.DE Hi, for your information: from: 22.04. to 06.05.2001 visit my Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage for my first Auction this year. here you found 91 item`s -all electronic Music www.opticaldream.de Thank you for your visit and your bids. Heiko from Burg/Germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 2:56 pm Subject: TD era Themes I find it best to classify eras by line-up (except early TD) Early (Pre-74): Wahn 74-77 (Froese/Franke/Baumann): Ricochet pt.2 78-79 (Froese/Franke/Krieger/and sometimes Joliffe): Cloudburst Flight 80-85 (Froese/Franke/Schmoelling): Quichotte pt 2 (There's SOOO many good ones to choose from) 86-87 (Froese/Franke/Haslinger): Song of the Whale 2 88-89 (Froese/Haslinger): Too Hot for my Chinchilla 90-91 (Froese/Haslinger/Froese): Melrose 92-95 (Froese/Froese/Spa/Pericka): first 3 tracks of 220 Volt (flow like one track) 96-01 (Froese/Froese): Timesquare Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26800 Re: TD era Themes Armin Theissen Tue 4/24/2001 2 KB 26806 TD era Themes =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Vill Wed 4/25/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 7:28 pm Subject: Anthems Ok will give this a go. Early Years--White Clouds Baumann Era--Stratosfear 78-79--Force Majeure Schmoelling's classic period--Mojave Plan Haslinger Era--Three Bikes in The Sky 90's Onwards--Comet's Figure Head cheers Gary From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Apr 20, 2001 9:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anthems My ones: Pink Years - Sunrise in the Third System Virgin Years (Baumann) - Rubycon part 1 (with Ricochet part 1 a very close second) Virgin Years (Schmoelling) - Mojave Plan Blue Years (Haslinger) - Last ten minutes of Live Miles part 2 Melrose Years - Lily on the Beach Seattle Years - Towards the Evening Star Millenium Years - Order of the Ginger Guild. Maff ________________________________________ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Sat Apr 21, 2001 3:54 pm Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work ? Joe Shoults [17/04/2001 11:58] dijo/said: >an 'AirSupply' list actually exists??? > >sorry, I'm not making fun of AirSupply fans, just surprised... Nothing surprises me anymore since I learned there are *Asia* fans... -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat Apr 21, 2001 6:04 pm Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work ? Hey, Hey Now, Let us not forget 2 great artists of the pop culture. Frankie Goes to Hollywood......and of course,.....the Great FALCO!!! Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Miguel Farah F.' To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 11:54 AM Subject: Re: OT: RE: [tadream] NON TOPIC - Search for Yahoogroups doesn't work ? > Joe Shoults [17/04/2001 11:58] dijo/said: > >an 'AirSupply' list actually exists??? > > > >sorry, I'm not making fun of AirSupply fans, just surprised... > > Nothing surprises me anymore since I learned there are *Asia* fans... > > > -- > MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... > #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel > <*> > 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' > - Sledge Hammer > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Apr 21, 2001 8:50 pm Subject: New Franke/Haslinger/Etc I just observed that Sonic Images has overhauled its website...It looks much better than before...In the news there, I see that he has out o new Soundtrack called THE CALLING... I also hear that Paul Haslinger appears on a few tracks on the new Lightwave CD, though I don't recall anyone mentioning it on the list. I was just lamenting the fact that I can't visit the CD shop that used to be across from my office (and is now about 800 miles from me)... However I discovered that they have a website. They always had a great selection so I would check it out www.crowsnestmusic.com MJ From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Sun Apr 22, 2001 11:48 am Subject: New Franke/Haslinger/etc Paul Haslinger appears on 4 tracks on the new Lightwave CD, 'Caryotype'. This disc is currently available on the Signature label in France. Sincerely, Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun Apr 22, 2001 6:01 pm Subject: AUCTION is open Hi all, My Auction is open please visit: http://www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm I hope you enjoy it, and thank you for for visit and your bids. Regards Heiko from Burg/Germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Sun Apr 22, 2001 11:37 pm Subject: White Out CD-'Original' Greetings All! I have the original White Out CD with the misprint cover for sale.If anyone is interested please contact me off list and I will give you the price. Thanks, Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Nigbur D Date: Mon Apr 23, 2001 1:38 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] The 'filler' tracks are great stuff too. 'United Goblins Parade' and 'Sad Merlin's Sunday' are my current favourites from GC. But, and that's the most important thing, the CD actually sounds like an album - which is more than can be said for much of the other TD releases from that period. Dennis > ---------- > From: glynn_naughton@h...[SMTP:glynn_naughton@h...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 18 April 2001 09:49 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins' Club] > > >Hahahaha. Bitter? > > > >Edgar trashed Elf June. If he'd handed sheet music to the boys and > >let them > >perform, it would have been pretty nice. Instead, it sounds like he > >used one > >sample. > > > >-Morgan > > Well, Linda would've been OK; I doubt whether Jerome could read it. > > I've changed my opinion about this album somewhat. Used to think it > was just another faceless 90s release, but now? 'Towards the Evening > Star' is probably TD's anthem of the 90s, 'Rising Haul' and 'Lamb' > are terrific, and 'Elf June' is the best example I've ever heard of a > rock group doing music with classical harmonies. Great stuff. > > Glynn > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Nigbur D Date: Mon Apr 23, 2001 1:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] GC, and also TOB RE: Once again, D: Studio [Goblins ' Club] > ---------- > From: Gustavo Jobim[SMTP:gustavfj@m...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 18 April 2001 04:23 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] GC, and also TOB RE: Once again, D: Studio > [Goblins' Club] > > HAH! It does sound like 'Mark Shreeve'! > BTW, I caught myself the other day thinking about GC... I wonder if I'll > like this even better than I do now (actually I like 50%)... > > I now think GC is better than Tyranny - all I remember about Tyranny is > that when the third track began, I started feeling bored. All the tracks > sound the same! (except for the first 2, which seem to be the best ones) > I always feel when listening to Tyranny that 'Birdwatcher's Dream', 'Little Blonde' and 'Living in a Fountain Pen' could have been condensed into a single track quite easily. Dennis From: Nigbur D Date: Mon Apr 23, 2001 1:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE:beautiful song from legend that the soundtrack m isses If it's the segment I think you mean, it's also on TRAUMZEIT, slightly mis-labelled as 'Unicorn Theme'. In fact, the TRAUMZEIT track is an amalgamation of Unicorn Theme, Loved by the Sun minus the vocals, and the melody you mean. Dennis > ---------- > From: Whiteley, Steve[SMTP:steve.whiteley@s...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 11 April 2001 18:03 > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: [tadream] RE:beautiful song from legend that the soundtrack > misses > > Hey Magic Lovers, > > I also had this mad desire to find this song, mainly from the taste I got > at > the 86 Albuquerque concert, I totally blissed/chilled out. > > from memory I beleive its on: > an Electrobeats show with Jerome > the Electronic Orgy boot has two different cuts > the 86 US tour boots > > Are there more? > > I remember writing the td home page begging for a release. If you have > problems finding some of the above I might be able to help. > > Good Luck, > Steve > > *********************************************************** > > Dear Armin, > thank you so much for getting back to me and taking all that time and > effort > to help me. It's such a sweet tune that it's a shame to not be able > to hear > all of it. I will be looking for that bootleg copy and yes, please > forward > my request. > Sincerely, > Ann DelConte > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:37:29 -0400 > From: Michael V Miller > Subject: Re: Legend... what comes after 'Loved by the Sun' > > I too loved that little bit. I would like to know where I could find it. > > Mike > 30yr old with corrected ToF with Pulmonary Atresia > http://www.tchin.org/pdheart/members/m/michael-3.htm > The LORD told me He loved me. I asked how much. And He said this much, > and stretched out His arms and died for me. May you experience the Love > of Christ. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Mon Apr 23, 2001 4:11 pm Subject: Happy St Georges Day! Hello All, For what it's worth, it's St Georges Day today (English equivalent of St Patrick's Day). We're off to a bar on the Champs-Elysee (very English) to celebrate - so, happy St George's day to all tadreamers! Hope it doesn't turn out like the last St Pat's day. I was sharing a house with an Irish bloke. 'Ah, let's go for a quick beer to celebrate St Pat's Day,' he says. At three o'clock that morning I was a bit the worse for wear, draped with an Irish tricolour and headbanging to a U2 cover band. The concepts 'a quick beer' and 'Irishman' don't really go together ;-) Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26798 Re: Happy St Georges Day! PERGAMON Mon 4/23/2001 3 KB 26801 Re: Happy St Georges Day! Armin Theissen Tue 4/24/2001 2 KB 26799 Re: Happy St Georges Day! Phil White Mon 4/23/2001 4 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Mon Apr 23, 2001 8:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy St Georges Day! Thanks But as I am living in Denmark, I do not know all your holidays or traditions. What is this???? both St. patrick and St George. I mean whats the tradition and why???? Thanks in advance. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: glynn_naughton@h... To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 6:11 PM Subject: [tadream] Happy St Georges Day! Hello All, For what it's worth, it's St Georges Day today (English equivalent of St Patrick's Day). We're off to a bar on the Champs-Elysee (very English) to celebrate - so, happy St George's day to all tadreamers! Hope it doesn't turn out like the last St Pat's day. I was sharing a house with an Irish bloke. 'Ah, let's go for a quick beer to celebrate St Pat's Day,' he says. At three o'clock that morning I was a bit the worse for wear, draped with an Irish tricolour and headbanging to a U2 cover band. The concepts 'a quick beer' and 'Irishman' don't really go together ;-) Glynn ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26801 Re: Happy St Georges Day! Armin Theissen Tue 4/24/2001 2 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Mon Apr 23, 2001 9:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy St Georges Day! Hi and Happy St George's day to you.... The only connection I can be bothered to come up with between St Patrick and St George is one superb artiste ( and totally off topic ) the inimitable George Ivan Morrison. Stream of consciousness or what.....? ( Listen to Summertime in England on 'Common One' ) Thinking of this whilst listening to ( back on topic ) 'Encore' Bye for now Phil White ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy St Georges Day! > Thanks > > But as I am living in Denmark, I do not know all your holidays or traditions. What is this???? both St. patrick and St George. I mean whats the tradition and why???? > > Thanks in advance. > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: glynn_naughton@h... > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 6:11 PM > Subject: [tadream] Happy St Georges Day! > > > Hello All, > > For what it's worth, it's St Georges Day today (English equivalent of > St Patrick's Day). We're off to a bar on the Champs-Elysee (very > English) to celebrate - so, happy St George's day to all tadreamers! > > Hope it doesn't turn out like the last St Pat's day. I was sharing a > house with an Irish bloke. 'Ah, let's go for a quick beer to > celebrate St Pat's Day,' he says. At three o'clock that morning I was > a bit the worse for wear, draped with an Irish tricolour and > headbanging to a U2 cover band. The concepts 'a quick beer' > and 'Irishman' don't really go together ;-) > > Glynn > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Tue Apr 24, 2001 6:37 am Subject: Re: TD era Themes here are mine Ohr phase: Atem Baumann phase: Rubycon Pt II post-Baumann pre-Schmoelling interregnum: Cloudburst Flight Schmoelling phase: whatever the name of that thing is which comes on Raetikon after Mojave Plan. If this shouldn't qualify for whatever reason, then it would be White Eagle Haslinger phase: A Time for Heroes (that was Haslinger, right?) TD-with-Linda(sigh) phase (or 'early Jerome' phase): Little Blond in the Park of Attractions later Jerome phase: anything cheers armin From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Tue Apr 24, 2001 6:40 am Subject: Re: Happy St Georges Day! Hi, in Ireland it simply means that all the irish get pissed. That even has got some tradition. Believe me, I live in Dublin. a. --- In tadream@y..., 'PERGAMON' wrote: > Thanks > > But as I am living in Denmark, I do not know all your holidays or traditions. What is this???? both St. patrick and St George. I mean whats the tradition and why???? > > Thanks in advance. > > Jan From: gmroger@p... Date: Tue Apr 24, 2001 10:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 866 I think a lot of folks may be wondering why I'm not taking part in this poll, so here we go... The TD anthems: 1970-1973 First six minutes of 'Atem' 1974-1977 Ricochet, Stratosfear 1978-1979 Cloudburst Flight 1980-1985 Beach Scene, White Eagle, Yellowstone Park 1986-1987 Song of the Whale Part 2 1988-1989 Final Statement 1990 Melrose 1991 to date Firetongues, Towards the Evening Star, Timesquare, Comets' Figure Head Roger -- From: gmroger@p... Date: Tue Apr 24, 2001 10:43 am Subject: Temporary contact address Okay, I'm off to the UK this weekend (and in preparation for the concert), but I'm posting this early because of the amount of time it sometimes takes to receive digests (and on the odd occasions, individual messages). So, from this Friday onwards please note my e-mail address will be: michael.hartopp@t... Roger -- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26811 Re: Temporary contact address michael.hartopp@t... Thu 4/26/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Wed Apr 25, 2001 6:01 am Subject: AUCTION on OPTICALDREAM.de Hi all, a big THANK YOU to all bidder`s and all visitor`s on my first auction this year. Over 120 electronic Music Fan`s click`s my auction page in 2 day`s .Great!!! http://www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm Regards auctionmaster - heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Wed Apr 25, 2001 1:40 pm Subject: Re: TD Anthems All right, you lot, I'll bite. The TD anthems: 1970-1973 All of 'Atem' 1974-1977 Ricochet 1978-1979 Cloudburst Flight 1980-1985 White Eagle 1986-1987 Dolphin Dance 1988-1989 Too Hot for my Chinchilla 1990 Three Bikes in the Sky 1991 to date Waterborne Cheer, Steve in Nottingham, UK - -- 'You can trust your Beagle to 'guard' your house but you cannot trust your Beagle to 'watch' your food!' - The Wisdom of Snoopy (Chapter 6). From: Christian Villazón Date: Wed Apr 25, 2001 2:12 pm Subject: TD era Themes Hello, Here is my TD era Themes: Pre-74 Pink Years: Electronic Meditation 74-77 (Froese/Franke/Baumann): Rubycon 78-79 (Froese/Franke/Krieger/Joliffe): Madrigal Meridian (Cyclone) 79 (Froese/Franke/Krieger): Force Majeure 80-85 (Froese/Franke/Schmoelling): Hyperborea and Streethawk (Le Parc) 86-87 (Froese/Franke/Haslinger): Live Miles 88-89 (Froese/Haslinger): Optical Race 90-91 (Froese/Haslinger/Froese): Melrose 91-92 (Frose/Froese): Rockoon 92-95 (Froese/Froese/Spa): Goblin's Club and Turn of the Tides 96-01 (Froese/Froese): Mars Polaris and Timesquare (Architecture in Motion) ChrisTian From: 'michael' Date: Wed Apr 25, 2001 1:26 pm Subject: TD 1977 North American Summer Tour Poster I have a question for the group here about something I've never seen before. My birthday was on Monday and my sister gave me a poster from her vast collection as a gift. The two of us attended the TD show in Boulder in 1977 (which just happened to be on HER birthday) and somehow she ended up with a nice TD poster sold at the show. I can't ever remember seeing it before (I'm sure she has had it rolled up for almost 25 years) and I don't have any idea how I got home from the show without snagging one too! Anyway, it has a collage of the three guys sitting around their equipment (not too terribly different a pic than one of the ones in the '77 tourbook) along with a nice shot of the Laserium light show all on a field of black with all the 1977 North American summer tour dates listed at the bottom. Like I said, I can't remember ever seeing it before and I'm sure that not very many of them were distributed since the tour was scrapped early on. Any info I can get on it would be appreciated. I'm having it framed right now but I can take a pic when I get it back and upload it for anyone who wants to check it out. Just wanted to share my good fortune with the group and let you all know about just one more thing that's out there to be collected... Mike From: Katarinakat19@a... Date: Wed Apr 25, 2001 4:10 pm Subject: Night at Ayers Rock Poster Hi - I am VERY interested in finding the poster of Ayers Rock with the Fender Stratcaster, animal-like people, and a concert going on. I'm not sure of the name - could be Night at Ayers Rock. We very much would like to frame this poster and hang it in our den. We see it all the time in the Outback Restaurant here in New Jersey. Owner/manager not at all helpful in our quest - and I mean quest. No, don't tell me to steal it - very securely screwed to the wall!! lol Please let me know where and how I can get copy. Thank you so very much, Karen (geminiblueshoes w/yahoo group) Please respond to Katarinakat19@a... From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Apr 25, 2001 5:29 pm Subject: was cleaning house and found some files that I thought were lost. .. go to www.tadream.net and click 'Album list'. I found a bunch of old album covers some of you had uploaded to the old xoom.com ftp site. I found some today that I DLed before it got shut down... From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Wed Apr 25, 2001 6:46 pm Subject: RE: Okefenokee 2001 Hey Dreamers, Its amazing when you have so many great memories in such a short period of time. I have to say this is one of the events I've been looking for most my life. Meeting others that have the same love of classic TD. Seeing how the music I love is made. The cooperative cooking, cleaning, helping, living effort at the cabins. The late night conversations about TDs great transitional concerts. Living for four days and nights in the middle of a swamp. canoeing the waterways looking at the density of strange wildlife. Floating the swamp at night enjoying the sequences and melodies of the wildlife. Watching three different power converters get hooked up by muscians, who barely know each other, bringing together fantastic music in the style of early TD improvisation. One piece had me laughing so hard tears were coming out of my eyes. I'm really excited at the chance to get some of the music made this weekend. Special thanks to Marcel, Dave, Bill, John and Peter for sharing your music, to Vic and Roger for handling the logistical organization and to the rest of you for sharing your loves and lives. While driving by a lake this morning, it was as if the gators were still looking at me. Magical place, great people, delicious food, awesome music. Count me in for next year. Thanks, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: michael.hartopp@t... Date: Thu Apr 26, 2001 7:54 am Subject: Re: Temporary contact address --- In tadream@y..., gmroger@p... wrote: > Okay, I'm off to the UK this weekend (and in preparation for the concert), but I'm posting this early because of the > amount of time it sometimes takes to receive digests (and on the odd occasions, individual messages). So, from > this Friday onwards please note my e-mail address will be: > > michael.hartopp@t... > > Roger Don't quite know what happened there, so just to make sure... michael.hartopp@t... Let's see if that works... Roger From: justin.ludford@l... Date: Thu Apr 26, 2001 8:37 pm Subject: DM3 Is Dm3 likely to get a release before the London show ?? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26813 Re: DM3 Gary Jenkins Thu 4/26/2001 2 KB 26818 Re: DM3 TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Fri 4/27/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Apr 26, 2001 9:00 pm Subject: Re: DM3 --- In tadream@y..., justin.ludford@l... wrote: > Is Dm3 likely to get a release before the London show ?? Amazon uk are showing release date of 7th May. Cheers Gary From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Apr 26, 2001 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: DM3 >From: 'Gary Jenkins' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Re: DM3 >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:00:41 -0000 > >--- In tadream@y..., justin.ludford@l... wrote: > > Is Dm3 likely to get a release before the London show ?? > Amazon uk are showing release date of 7th May. Dream Mixes 3 should be pretty cool from what I've heard of it so far. Stereolight (remix of Monolight from Encore) and Diamonds and Dust are great. We've all heard Meng Tian and it's forgettible. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 12:05 am Subject: Okefenokee 2001 website online! Well it's taken me a long time to put this together, but I've now got all my pictures from the Okefenokee 2001 trip ONLINE! I arrived at Okefenokee Friday night too late to get in the park, so I stayed in a trailer (long story) but I was there all Saturday, Sunday, and Monday, and left Okefenokee Tuesday morning around 11am. I got home (Houston) at about 1:30am and crashed (in bed). It was a wonderful event and I wish everyone here who had planned to go had been there (or anyone who wanted to!). 4 nights of wonderful concerts and memories and some of the best food too! You guys missed my omelettes and Texas Chili! Anyway, I can't wait for the CDs, and for anyone who hasn't bought the 2000 Okefenokee CD who has been considering it, you better grab it! It's great (part of why I came to this year's event) and I hear it's running low! It was so cool to meet Marcel and the Airsculpture guys, Dave Brewer, and Bill Fox and hear them improvise together hours of music in the middle of the swamp. I am working on putting up mp3s of the concerts, in the mean time check out the pictures. The mp3s should be up later tonight. http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2001/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26816 Re: Okefenokee 2001 website online! Frank Arellano Fri 4/27/2001 4 KB 26821 Re: Okefenokee 2001 website online! Antonio Nunes Fri 4/27/2001 2 KB 26824 Re: Okefenokee 2001 website online! Frank Arellano Fri 4/27/2001 5 KB 33766 Okefenokee 2002 Morgan Feldon Thu 5/9/2002 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 1:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 website online! Great job, Morgan !! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 6:05 PM Subject: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 website online! > Well it's taken me a long time to put this together, but I've now got all my > pictures from the Okefenokee 2001 trip ONLINE! I arrived at Okefenokee > Friday night too late to get in the park, so I stayed in a trailer (long > story) but I was there all Saturday, Sunday, and Monday, and left Okefenokee > Tuesday morning around 11am. I got home (Houston) at about 1:30am and > crashed (in bed). > > It was a wonderful event and I wish everyone here who had planned to go had > been there (or anyone who wanted to!). 4 nights of wonderful concerts and > memories and some of the best food too! You guys missed my omelettes and > Texas Chili! > > Anyway, I can't wait for the CDs, and for anyone who hasn't bought the 2000 > Okefenokee CD who has been considering it, you better grab it! It's great > (part of why I came to this year's event) and I hear it's running low! It > was so cool to meet Marcel and the Airsculpture guys, Dave Brewer, and Bill > Fox and hear them improvise together hours of music in the middle of the > swamp. > > I am working on putting up mp3s of the concerts, in the mean time check out > the pictures. The mp3s should be up later tonight. > > http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2001/ > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 6:51 am Subject: Inferno Hi y'all, when I opened my letterbox yesterday there was an envelope from the 'Public' Agency in Bernau, containing each 3 three tickets for the first & second 'Inferno' show...yikes! The tickets itself are looking beautiful in their tangerine/orange colour (with Edgar, Jerome, Zlatko & Gerald looking seriously), however I was amused to find yet another typing error ('performence' instead of performance)...but then again it's no surprise ;-) I managed to get a seat in the 8th row for the best category, and I'm really looking forward to that spectacular event as much as I look forward to meet some of you guys in London very soon! I'm sure that we will also have a 'pre-show get together' in Bernau...? Heiko P.S: I have two spare tickets for the first show (which is already sold out), price is 60 DM/US$28 each (no profit on my part). It's not the best category (maybe 2nd best) but you should still have a good view towards the stage. If interested e-mail me off-list please. P.P.S.: thanks Morgan for the great pictures & stories about Okefenokee 2001! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29884 Re: Inferno Phil White Wed 10/31/2001 3 KB 29886 Re: Inferno Joe Shoults Wed 10/31/2001 2 KB 29988 Inferno Michael Jean Fri 11/9/2001 2 KB 30180 Inferno gustavojobim@n... Mon 11/19/2001 2 KB 30181 Re: Inferno Heiko Heerssen Mon 11/19/2001 3 KB 30182 Re: Inferno moxica@m... Mon 11/19/2001 2 KB 31837 Inferno edmorrisuk Fri 2/1/2002 3 KB 31897 Re: Inferno Owens, James Mon 2/4/2002 2 KB 33763 Inferno fozziebear Wed 5/8/2002 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak Date: Thu Apr 26, 2001 8:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DM3 At 20:37 26.04.01 , you wrote: >Is Dm3 likely to get a release before the London show ?? > Hi y'all, to clear this up before speculations arise: -street date for DM3 is May 22nd, 2001 (this means it might take 1- 2 weeks after that until all shops will have it regularly available) - the CD will be available at the London concert for the first time - roughly 2 weeks before it goes into the shops. - After the London concert, you will be able to order it on-site via STIMPACK FIVE. OK...hope this info from home-base was helpful. Dream on! Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: <www.tdi-music-mall.de> Have a nice day! From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 7:45 am Subject: Inferno II My two spare tickets for the 1st 'Inferno' show have just been sold (by one of the usual suspects ;-) Heiko From: hedlera@w... Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 7:36 am Subject: Schmoelling-White Out-CD online order To all of you who did NOT have it yet: Johannes Schmoelling 2000 release 'White Out' is not only available from his homepage (http://www.johannesschmoelling.de) but also available from: http://www.groove.nl/ in The Netherlands and http://www.cd-services.com/ in the UK (you better use their email: cdser@a... Soon there will be copies available at www.eurock.com/ in the US. Andreas Hedler From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 11:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 website online! Feldon Feldon wrote: > > Well it's taken me a long time to put this together, but I've now got all my > pictures from the Okefenokee 2001 trip ONLINE! > (...) > http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2001/ Well done Morgan! It's nice to see the faces behind the names, and read your report of this 'magical event' as you say. I couldn't be present, but I've just enjoyed a virtual journey visiting your site. I'm impressed, even before hearing the music :-) Antonio Nunes From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 10:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DM3 TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak wrote: > - the CD will be available at the London concert for the first time - > roughly 2 weeks before it goes into the shops. thanks for the info, Martin. Now I only need to know TD's set list for the Shepherds Bush concert :-B Heiko From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 4:09 pm Subject: Spare TD ticket I have a spare S Bush ticket as my girlfreind found a great excuse not to go .I`ll sell it for the £18.50 it cost me if anybody wants it . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) ----- Original Message ----- From: Heiko Heerssen To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] DM3 > > > TDI MUSIC- Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > > - the CD will be available at the London concert for the first time - > > roughly 2 weeks before it goes into the shops. > > thanks for the info, Martin. Now I only need to know TD's set list for the > Shepherds Bush concert :-B > > Heiko > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Apr 27, 2001 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 website online! Antonio! Hello my friend :-) I'm in a good mood, because right now I'm listening and watching some of the videos that I recorded. There's definitely some good music to be had! I just hope that the first night with Dave Brewer, Bill Fox and Marcel playing together, which was excellent IMO, makes it's way on the CD, because the DAT recorder at that time hadn't been hooked up yet, but we got it on video and cassette [Victor's]. Everything was great. We had lots of fun, good food, good music, saw plenty of wildlife, and man!, did some of us do some partying! I think I stayed up till 3 or 4 AM every night there, always the last man still standing :-) I got a good picture of 'Beerhammer' George passed out hugging a chair like if he had just found a new girlfriend that he wasn't going to let go :-) It was great meeting everyone too. For me, what a pleasure it was to chat with Marcel! One night while most of us were partying together, I put on Red Shift's Ether track and from across the room I teased Marcel by telling him, 'Do you hear that!? Do you hear that!? :-D ' Inferring, there's your competition and the standard, ha ha. :-) Everyone seemed to like the music too when I put on my Patrolling Space Borders and my TD's Paris 1976 CD's, the latter which I had won in the raffle. I also got Pete and John to sign one of my 'Europa' CD's and Dave and Marcel to sign my 'Okefenokee 2000' CD :-) Oh yeah, and the raffle / drawing was *lots* of fun too! One thing that that happened there that not everyone knows about was one night at about 4 AM I was still up and I heard some noise coming from the screen enclosed porch area, so I opened up the kitchen door, which leads to the porch area where Vic was sleeping, I saw two raccoons, one which I saw him help himself in by opening the screen door using his little arms at the bottom of the door. When he saw me he casually helped himself out :-). Vic, who was in dreamland, was oblivious to all this. :-) One thing about my video taping, I got over six hours worth :-) BTW, Antonio, I sent you a present on the 19th, from Knoxville ;-) From: 'Antonio Nunes' To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee 2001 website online! > > > Feldon Feldon wrote: > > > > Well it's taken me a long time to put this together, but I've now got all my > > pictures from the Okefenokee 2001 trip ONLINE! > > (...) > > http://www.feldoncentral.com/oke2001/ > > Well done Morgan! It's nice to see the faces behind the names, and read > your report of this 'magical event' as you say. I couldn't be present, > but I've just enjoyed a virtual journey visiting your site. I'm > impressed, even before hearing the music :-) > > Antonio Nunes > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33766 Okefenokee 2002 Morgan Feldon Thu 5/9/2002 2 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Apr 28, 2001 6:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno II - Need one Ticket I justed e-mailed Heiko for a ticket, but obviously I'm late. I am looking for one ticket for the first Inferno show. Please contact me off list if you can offer me one ticket. Thanks! Vic P.S. Now, it's time to start writing my Oke-2001 report. It looks like everyone had a great time and we will have some great music to share. Reports to follow in the upcoming days... Heiko Heerssen wrote: > My two spare tickets for the 1st 'Inferno' show have just been sold (by > one of the usual suspects ;-) > > Heiko > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Sat Apr 28, 2001 1:44 pm Subject: Upgrade weekend Hello All, I am having some friends stay with us this weekend. One of the things I am hoping to get accomplished is the upgrade of my computer.... The rat has finally died, and the rubberband needs to be changed. So if you write me, do not think I am ignoring you. I am just off-line for a few days. Tanks, Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: PENFOLD Date: Sat Apr 28, 2001 10:21 pm Subject: Looking for 2 archived posts I've been tearing apart my room and home office looking for two posts that were on this list. Both were for track listings for TD tape compilations. What I'm looking for: Track listing for the tapes 'TD For Infidels'(TD sampler for introduction to people not familiar with TD) and 'TD Rocks Your Socks Off'(good fast-paced & possibly danceable TD music) thanks in advance Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Sun Apr 29, 2001 6:52 pm Subject: TD anthems. Hello everyone. Thought i would put my Td anthems from their different eras on site. pre 1974 Origin of supernatural probabilities 74-77 Rubycon part 1 78-79 Cloudburst flight 80-85 Poland(but so many gems to choose from). 86-87 Song of the whale part 1 88-89 Too hot for my chinchilla 90-91 electric lion 92-95 girls on broadway 96-01 Astrophobia Best regards&good health to all. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26840 Re: TD anthems. Deborah Johnson Mon 4/30/2001 3 KB From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Sun Apr 29, 2001 7:27 pm Subject: My Okefenokee 2001 Report (long) Hi Everyone, I guess since there's not much other traffic right now, I thought I'd go ahead and post my report now. I'm not sure how many people are interested in reading it, but here it is if you want it. Dave’s Okefenokee 2001 Memoirs Yep, it was that time of year again. The time to head to the swamps of southern Georgia. It seemed like it would never get here for the longest time! I’m writing this a couple of days after I’ve come back, so I may not remember everything. But that’s why everyone should write their stories, so that maybe all the details can be caught. Thursday, April 19 – This morning, I got up more or less like I’m going to work (about 5AM). My father gave me a lift to the airport and I got checked with no problems. I had a little extra time, so I went to a snack shop and got my favorite drink, orange juice! Eventually, I got on the plane and was on my way east. I put on my noise-canceling headphones, shoved a TD mix minidisc into the player, started reading Tolkien’s “The Two Towers” where I left off and everything was good. After arriving at Atlanta about 30 minutes ahead of schedule (it’s the end of the world!), I go to grab my luggage. After seeing only one suitcase in the carousel, I began to panic! Where’s my keyboard?! After wandering around a bit, I found that the rest of my stuff was already removed from the carousel and placed in a special area. Whew! Okay, now I head for the car rental place and I see Steve Whiteley sitting there in front. We greet, and I tell him that Marion Horrod will be getting in later, since her original flight was cancelled. We were going to meet up with her originally. Anyway, I get the car, and we drive to Vic’s house, and I don’t get lost this time! :-) Marcel was the only person at Vic’s when we got there (except for Vic’s son and his friend). Marcel had all his gear set up, but without a PA system it was kinda hard to hear it. I plugged in my keyboard to make sure it still worked, and it did. The three of us ended up hanging out, chatting and listening to all sorts of prog rock from Vic’s collection. Eventually, Vic came home from work (poor guy), and his wife Natasha also came home. I didn ’t meet her last year. Through the rest of the afternoon, Tom George, Frank Arellano and Jim Moore join us. I think that’s everyone at that point. I hope I didn’t forget anyone. We went out to eat at some taco grill place nearby. The Mexican food pretty good, but out here in the southwest, we got the really good stuff! :-) Vic had to leave us after a while to go pick up Marion from the train station. When we got back to Vic’s place, we found that Bill Fox had shown up while we were out. Vic also returned with Marion, and now we had a nice sized group at the place. We listened to Stratosfear (starting with ‘3AM’ of course) on Vic’s 8-track player. What a novelty! It wasn’t aligned properly though, so we got to hear one song on top of another, which was interesting in spots. Jim needed to go into work on Friday, but will be meeting up with us in the park. We all crash for the night later on. Friday, April 20 – We head out about 10 AM. The first thing we need to do is get the PA system through which the musicians were going to make their noises heard. We get most of it loaded in my car, since I had a free back seat. We caravan down in 4 cars, and it was occasionally challenging to keep everyone in sight with all the other traffic. Steve was in the car with me, and we chatted and listened to a bunch of music. We had plenty to choose from with all the minidiscs and CDR’s between us. Gotta love that recordable digital technology! We stop to have lunch and grocery shop at the same time. I forget which town it was, though. Anyway, it was fun breaking off into groups responsible for different food items, and having a full-out raid on the store. I think we spent well over $300 on food. We get down to the park a bit after 6 PM. We’re totally speeding down the road to the entrance. I plopped in a minidisc with both Cyclone and Force Majeure on it and we listened to that on the home stretch. Those albums go very well with the surroundings. Vic was in the lead, and I was right behind him. Steve and I spotted some deer on the right side of the road. And if I didn't anticipate that they were going to dart in front of us, I don't think we would have been able to avoid them after going about 75 mph down the highway. Vic and I both hit the brakes and swerved a bit, and no deer or human was injured. I wonder what that looked like from the other cars? We get to the cottages, and are greeted by Lars Jones and Roger Smith. I met Lars a few years back when he was here in AZ, so they were both familiar faces for me. But Lars had more kids than when I last met him. :-) We got settled in and ate some dinner. We also got the musical gear set up in one of the cottages, and started jamming. I think most of it was just goofing around, but I can’t recall. I was surprised when Bill whipped out a Hawaiian-style slide guitar, and even more surprised at the un-Hawaiian sounds he made with it! :-) We end up staying up late listening to and discussing TD music (probably around 3AM). Saturday, April 21 – I actually get up earlier than I thought I would, got showered and stumbled over to the other cottage to grab some cereal. We decided to head out on motorboats today. We walked to the general store to make the rentals. As we were walking, we saw someone driving a black PT Cruiser. That’s odd, how many of those do you see around here? Oh well. We get back and we see the PT parked in front of one of our cottages. It turns out that’s Morgan Marks ’ car! At some point about that time, Jim rejoins us and we then head out on the boats. Unfortunately, there’s a lot more people in the park today than there was last year, so a lot of the wildlife was scared off, and traffic on the water was a bit more hazardous. We went out to Minnie’s Lake, and the other boat decides the clutch shouldn’t work any more, so we tow them back. It was quite challenging in some spots to navigate two attached boats through the trees. We also visited the now-famous Billy’s Island, which I didn’t get to see last year. When we return, we find that John and Peter of Airsculpture fame had arrived. I think this total number of nuts constitutes a mob. :-) They joined our musical set up with their compact Nord modulars and laptops. And we spent the early evening jamming and eating dinner. The alligator meat was quite tasty! This evening, I was wearing a t-shirt from Serial Experiments Lain, one of the anime shows I like to watch. I was quite surprised to find that Lars had seen Lain, and we talked about it for a bit. It’s nice that we can share other common interests besides TD. Later, we also had the raffle games with some TD and related goodies. I really enjoyed Roger’s “Name That Tune” and “Name That Film” games. I think Jim and I were the best players for those games. We should go head-to-head sometime and figure who the champion is! :-) With the way the games were set up, everyone was able to win some good stuff, so it was really a lot of fun all the way around. I ended up getting CDR’s of The 1999 Klangart show (listening to it as I write this), the Dresden 1983 show and FSP's and Ruud Heij’s performance at E-Live 2000 among other things. In the end, it was another late night. Sunday, April 22 – Today, we took a walk on the trail into the swamp. It was really neat walking on this elevated wooden walkway through the forest. I guess it’s to minimize the impact to the environment, and to keep the path from closing when the water levels rise. Also, all of the sudden, I was Lars’ sons’ best friend, walking hand-in-hand with them and talking with them. I’m sure Lars enjoyed the brief break. :-) That was a nice walk. We even saw a fawn hidden below us next to the boardwalk and snapped plenty of pics, much to the fawn’s dismay, I’m sure. I’m not remembering much of what we did after that. I think we just relaxed and chatted a bit… I should have used my minidisc recorder as an audio diary, but oh well… This evening, we ended up playing our main show at the museum. That was a lot of fun. We even had some strangers come in and check out what we were doing for a little while before they were scared off! One couple was actually from Scottsdale, AZ and chatted with me briefly after they saw my address on my keyboard case. It was a good evening, up until I was to fulfill a request for my TD piano medley. I hadn’t really practiced it in a while, and succumbing to my nervousness, I ended up blowing it pretty bad. Everyone was really nice about it though, still somehow managing to enjoy it despite my screw-ups. I must redeem myself in the near future! We stayed up late again, discussing and listening to music. It was like a party every night! Monday, April 23 – I get woken up by a hug. Huh?? I blink my sleepy eyes a couple of times, and I see Lars’ sons right there in my face telling me goodbye. So I sit up a bit and hug them back. I guess that means it’s time for the Jones family to head home. After breakfast and all that stuff, we head out on the water again to explore different parts of the swamp. We also go back to Billy’s Island. This time, we notice a young owl inside the fenced-in cemetary. It looks like it's stuck in there! We also hear mom hooting in the distance, and eventually catch sight of her in the trees nearby. She’s huge! I start walking towards her to try to get a decent picture, and her call changes tone, sounding more urgent, maybe as a warning not to come closer. I center her in my viewfinder, and half expect her to dive at me. Unfortunately, she didn’t. That would have made an excellent photograph! :-) We get back to the park and have our final performance together. This time, we’re playing outside under the picnic shelter. It was a loud show too! We had to counter the extra noise coming from some of the equipment, so we cranked up the volume. My right ear was actually slightly numb when it was done. The first track utilized some excellent samples of a certain person’s snoring, and Lars’ kids screaming. It was humorous when we first heard it, but it took on a more dark and mystical feel when we actually performed the piece. It will probably be called “Wildlife in Okefenokee” or something like that… After we packed up our gear, we head for the boat docks for an early evening cruise on the water. The last little bit of daylight was just about gone. We took a big pontoon boat out on the open water near the park and just drifted in the breeze with the engine off. It was really neat hearing all the night noises, and spotting alligators with our flashlights. We all try to sit nice and quiet as we look around, cuz Bill was recording the night sounds with his minidisc. Man, I knew I should have sprung for the mini binaural mics I've been wanting to get for my minidisc. I regretted not doing that. I bet Bill got some good recordings with his. I'll do that next year. When we were heading back, there was a big, bright satellite passing through the sky. I don't think it was the ISS, but I could be wrong, as it was about the biggest one I've ever seen. After dinner, we had the last late-night party of the trip. John and Peter had to turn in early so they could get back to Atlanta in time. So we bid them good night. They were certainly nice guys, and very good musicians. It’s very impressive how they could get those small Nords to do so much. I made a note to check out one of their CD’s, and just ordered “Thunderhead” from Groove. Bill had to turn in early as well, but I didn’t realize he had to leave early. Duhhh, he had to drive back to Pennsylvania! I don't think I gave him a proper farewell. At least I remembered to write in his book before he turned in. I think it was about 3:30 or 4 AM before I went to bed. I was sooo tired! Tuesday, April 24 – I get up around 8:30 or 9 AM. I wanted to be out by about 10 originally. Oh well, no shower this morning... Steve and I end up heading out about 11 AM after bidding the others remaining goodbye. No worries though, since my flight wasn’t until 6 PM. We drove straight to Atlanta, and dropped the PA system off before heading back to the airport. There was a rain storm that seemed to just hang over the airport area. We got checked in for our respective flights, and I got to my gate as they were boarding the flight. Steve and I parted ways and I boarded the 767. This is the largest plane I’ ve ever been on. It was nice and open inside with the dual aisles. We ended up sitting on the ground for quite a while, waiting on the airplane food. I was so tired, that I didn’t do much reading, but I did listen to TD minidiscs all the way back. I even dozed off for a while. I got back to Phoenix only about 15 minutes late, so that wasn’t too bad. As we were deplaning, a lady that was sitting nearby asked me about the strange little machine I was listening to. So I proceeded to tell her some of the wonders of minidisc. I tell ya, they really need to do some more marketing here. Minidiscs are too good to remain virtually unknown to America. Oh well. And thus ends my accounts of the this year’s Okefenokee gathering. It was great getting to meet up with all the other original swamp nuts, and to meet everyone else that joined us this year. It’s great being able to put faces and voices with the names. I’m sure I missed some details, but hopefully that will be covered by other attendees’ stories. It was indeed a wonderful time for all, and hopefully next year’s attendance will continue with an even bigger group of nuts! :-) Who knows, maybe this will someday mutate into a full-out EM fest rivalling E-Live or Alfa Centauri (yeah, right!). :-) I hope you enjoyed reading this. Dave B. From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Sun Apr 29, 2001 7:30 pm Subject: Feldon Feldon!! Hi I just talked to Vic and now i want to get in touch with 'feldon feldon'. If you read this, please send me a mail, feldon. Thanks Totta [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26831 Re: Feldon Feldon!! Feldon Feldon Sun 4/29/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Sun Apr 29, 2001 8:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Feldon Feldon!! Well, my name is Morgan, and I went to the Okefenokee 2001 event. And my public name on tadream was often 'Feldon Feldon' -Morgan At 09:30 PM 4/29/2001 +0200, you wrote: >Hi > >I just talked to Vic and now i want to get in touch with 'feldon feldon'. >If you read this, please send me a mail, feldon. >Thanks > >Totta > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 7:24 am Subject: Shepherds Bush Concert Hi all, Only a few days more to wait now.... Below is the latest list of people going. I am bringing some goodies with me and some of the people on this list have already contacted me for exchanges. Anyone else who is interested in exchanging stuff before or after the concert please contact me off list as soon as possible and I will send a list of what I'm offering. Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) Craig Cordrey (UK) Daniel Fishman (UK) David Foster (UK) Dennis Nigbur (UK) Duncan McKee (UK) Gary Jenkins + 2 (UK) Geir Smedsrud (Norway) Glynn Naughton (France) Heiko Heerssen (Germany) Heiko Neumann + girlfriend (Germany) Jakub (Polish, lives in UK) James Williams + 1 friend (UK) Janet Wojtecki + 1 (UK) Justin Ludford + 2 friends (UK) Klaus Beschorner & Antony (Germany) Larry Poulton + son (13yrs) (UK) Lawry Simm (USA) Marion & husband (Dave) (UK) Matthew Stringer (UK) Patrik Ljungberg + friend Sören (Sweden) Paul 'the Night Owl' Ridout (UK) Paul Fellows (France) Paul Lawler (the musician) (UK) Phil Wingfield + 2 friends (UK?) Rainer Rutka (Germany) Ray (UK) Richard (UK?) Richard Cunningham, son Paul & friend Andy King (UK) Roger Hartopp (Poland) Steve Jenkins (UK) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26872 Re: Shepherds Bush Concert wyslannik@y... Fri 5/4/2001 2 KB 26962 Shepherds Bush Concert NEUMANN.H-J@t... Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB 26963 Shepherds Bush Concert NEUMANN.H-J@t... Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB From: Jesús Gálvez Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 10:57 am Subject: Reply:TD athems Hi all! Well,this is my TD athems in Lp´s and singles: Lp´s 1969-1973 Zeit 1973-1977 Rubycon 1977-1980 Force Majeure 1980-1985 Tangram 1986-1988 Underwater Sunlight 1988-1992 Optical Race 1992-2001 Seven Letters from Tibet Singles 1969-1973 The birth of the liquid Plejades 1973-1977 Sequence C 1977-1980 Force Majeure 1980-1985 Hyperborea 1986-1988 Song´s Whale 1988-1992 Ghazal 1992-2001 The red Blood Connection ...but...it´s very difficult to choose!!!.(Fly&collision...,Atem,Wanh,Phaedra,Rubycon 2,Ricochet 2,Invisible Limits,Bent Cold Sidewalk,Quixotte 1,Exit,White Eagle,No man´s Land,Tangents,Le Parc...) Regards, Jesús Gálvez hyperborea@t... From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:24 am Subject: TD athems Actually I find this topic of TD anthems kind of amusing in that they wrote very little if anything that could be considered an anthem in the traditional sense of the meaning....not even close. Especially in the early years... we're just going through favorite pieces from different eras, really. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Derk Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 4:37 pm Subject: Thief on Ebay What's so rare about this item? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426655602 Am I missing something? Derk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26836 Re: Thief on Ebay Sean Montgomery Mon 4/30/2001 2 KB 26838 Re: Thief on Ebay PERGAMON Mon 4/30/2001 4 KB 26839 Re: Thief on Ebay Totta Rydqvist Mon 4/30/2001 5 KB 26841 Re: Thief on Ebay PERGAMON Tue 5/1/2001 6 KB 26842 Re: Thief on Ebay Totta Rydqvist Tue 5/1/2001 7 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay Derk wrote: > What's so rare about this item? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426655602 Nothing rare about it. You can order it from CDNow for 14 bucks. The high bidder is a sucker. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 5:29 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Thief on Ebay Too right, even I can pick it up in a record shop in France which is saying something... Paul ---------- >De : Sean Montgomery >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay >Date : Lun 30 avr 2001 19:08 > > > > Derk wrote: > >> What's so rare about this item? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426655602 > > Nothing rare about it. You can order it from CDNow for 14 bucks. The high > bidder is a sucker. > > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay Hi all actually if my memory srves me correct, isn't there 2 versions of thief???? I seem to recall seeing to vinyl-versions, with exact same music but with different tracknames (1 or 2), can anyone confirm this?????+ Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Fellows To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:29 PM Subject: Re : [tadream] Thief on Ebay Too right, even I can pick it up in a record shop in France which is saying something... Paul ---------- >De : Sean Montgomery >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com >Objet : Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay >Date : Lun 30 avr 2001 19:08 > > > > Derk wrote: > >> What's so rare about this item? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426655602 > > Nothing rare about it. You can order it from CDNow for 14 bucks. The high > bidder is a sucker. > > > -- > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay Hi I got both and there is adifferent Both got 8 tracks, and it looks like this Cd 1:Beach Theme 2.Dr Destructo 3.Diamond diary 4.Burning bar 5.Beach scene 6.Scrap yard 7.Trap feeling 8.Igneous Lp side 1 1:Beach Theme 2.Dr Destructo 3.Diamond diary 4.Burning bar Lp side 2 5.Scrap yard 6.Trap feeling 7.Igneous 8.Confrontation So there is a different, hope you are sattisfied Totta PERGAMON wrote: > Hi all > > actually if my memory srves me correct, isn't there 2 versions of thief???? I seem to recall seeing to vinyl-versions, with exact same music but with different tracknames (1 or 2), can anyone confirm this?????+ > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Fellows > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:29 PM > Subject: Re : [tadream] Thief on Ebay > > Too right, even I can pick it up in a record shop in France which is saying > something... > > Paul > > ---------- > >De : Sean Montgomery > >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Objet : Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay > >Date : Lun 30 avr 2001 19:08 > > > > > > > > > Derk wrote: > > > >> What's so rare about this item? > >> > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426655602 > > > > Nothing rare about it. You can order it from CDNow for 14 bucks. The high > > bidder is a sucker. > > > > > > -- > > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD anthems. Colin: > Hello everyone. Thought i would put my Td anthems from their different > eras on site. > pre 1974 Origin of supernatural probabilities > 74-77 Rubycon part 1 > 78-79 Cloudburst flight > 80-85 Poland(but so many gems to choose from). > 86-87 Song of the whale part 1 > 88-89 Too hot for my chinchilla > 90-91 electric lion > 92-95 girls on broadway > 96-01 Astrophobia I'm still not a completist with all TD eras, so I can't put up my TD anthems. But I'm pleased to see you list some of my all time favorites, like 'Poland' and 'Electric Lion.' I absolutely LOVE both these pieces. 'Electric Lion' is a good mixture of whimsical, downright majestic piece. One of TD's alltime best, in my half-formed opinion. Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Tue May 1, 2001 12:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay Hi Totta Thanks!!!!!! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Totta Rydqvist To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay Hi I got both and there is adifferent Both got 8 tracks, and it looks like this Cd 1:Beach Theme 2.Dr Destructo 3.Diamond diary 4.Burning bar 5.Beach scene 6.Scrap yard 7.Trap feeling 8.Igneous Lp side 1 1:Beach Theme 2.Dr Destructo 3.Diamond diary 4.Burning bar Lp side 2 5.Scrap yard 6.Trap feeling 7.Igneous 8.Confrontation So there is a different, hope you are sattisfied Totta PERGAMON wrote: > Hi all > > actually if my memory srves me correct, isn't there 2 versions of thief???? I seem to recall seeing to vinyl-versions, with exact same music but with different tracknames (1 or 2), can anyone confirm this?????+ > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Fellows > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:29 PM > Subject: Re : [tadream] Thief on Ebay > > Too right, even I can pick it up in a record shop in France which is saying > something... > > Paul > > ---------- > >De : Sean Montgomery > >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Objet : Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay > >Date : Lun 30 avr 2001 19:08 > > > > > > > > > Derk wrote: > > > >> What's so rare about this item? > >> > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426655602 > > > > Nothing rare about it. You can order it from CDNow for 14 bucks. The high > > bidder is a sucker. > > > > > > -- > > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Tue May 1, 2001 12:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay NOO problem Totta PERGAMON wrote: > Hi Totta > > Thanks!!!!!! > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Totta Rydqvist > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:47 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay > > Hi > > I got both and there is adifferent > Both got 8 tracks, and it looks like this > Cd > 1:Beach Theme > 2.Dr Destructo > 3.Diamond diary > 4.Burning bar > 5.Beach scene > 6.Scrap yard > 7.Trap feeling > 8.Igneous > > Lp side 1 > 1:Beach Theme > 2.Dr Destructo > 3.Diamond diary > 4.Burning bar > Lp side 2 > 5.Scrap yard > 6.Trap feeling > 7.Igneous > 8.Confrontation > > So there is a different, hope you are sattisfied > > Totta > > PERGAMON wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > actually if my memory srves me correct, isn't there 2 versions of thief???? I seem to recall seeing to vinyl-versions, with exact same music but with different tracknames (1 or 2), can anyone confirm this?????+ > > > > Jan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Paul Fellows > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:29 PM > > Subject: Re : [tadream] Thief on Ebay > > > > Too right, even I can pick it up in a record shop in France which is saying > > something... > > > > Paul > > > > ---------- > > >De : Sean Montgomery > > >À : tadream@yahoogroups.com > > >Objet : Re: [tadream] Thief on Ebay > > >Date : Lun 30 avr 2001 19:08 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Derk wrote: > > > > > >> What's so rare about this item? > > >> > > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1426655602 > > > > > > Nothing rare about it. You can order it from CDNow for 14 bucks. The high > > > bidder is a sucker. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > SEAN MONTGOMERY > > > > > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > > > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue May 1, 2001 1:08 pm Subject: [tadream] Dream Gallery Hi all, Thanks to all those people who have visited my site and hopefully found it useful, today the number of visitors passed the 10000 mark. Paul From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Tue May 1, 2001 3:30 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Dream Gallery Congrats on that one :o) Poul > Hi all, > > Thanks to all those people who have visited my site and hopefully found it > useful, today the number of visitors passed the 10000 mark. > > Paul From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue May 1, 2001 4:34 pm Subject: searching for a member sorry about that last mail slip up... i'm having trouble getting hold of a list member, glenn reinicke... any ideas on where he might be? or if he's left the list? thanks in advance j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue May 1, 2001 4:32 pm Subject: searching for a memebe --- Scott wrote: > Go to www.wintaper.com and download Wintaper. It's a great program for > catalogging fan tapes, but also contains a program for creating tape & CD > inserts that is so easy, yet makes such wonderful inserts, that it out to > cost much more. > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: Totta Rydqvist > To: tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, April 08, 2001 5:56 PM > Subject: Hi > > > >Hi > > > >Im looking for a site that contains coverart made by fans to fantapes > >and cdr's > >Do you know if there is such site ?? > > > >Looking forward to hear from you > > > >Tomas > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: Katarinakat19@a... Date: Sat Apr 28, 2001 12:34 am Subject: AYERS ROCK POSTER Hi All - I would very much like to find poster(most likely titled 'The Night at Ayers Rock.') Supposedly it was included in an album. Don't know what year. It has a Fender Stratacaster coming out of a rock and animal-like people watching a concert. Definitely surreal. If anyone knows where I can obtain this, please 'e' me with info. I appreciate your anticipated help. Thank you so much,Karen Katarinakat19@a... From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sat Apr 28, 2001 10:44 pm Subject: Re Looking for 2 archived posts: Here's One On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:21:49 -0700 PENFOLD writes: > I've been tearing apart my room and home office looking for > two posts that were on this list. Both were for track listings for TD tape > compilations. > What I'm looking for: > > Track listing for the tapes > 'TD For Infidels'(TD sampler for introduction to people not > familiar with TD) and 'TD Rocks Your Socks Off' > (good fast-paced & possibly danceable TD music) > > thanks in advance Something is seriously wrong with Yahoo's search features and webring features, and many things are wrong with their adult categories (it is rumored that they are in the process of wiping them all out). Anyways, here's one of the two: ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 May 99 16:33:14 EDT From: Steven Feldman Subject: Tape for Introducing TD to Infidels To: Tangerine Dream mailing list Guys 'n' Gals, I just made the following tape for lending to people who are entirely unfamiliar with TD: SIDE A: 1) Charley the Kid 3:51 FIRESTARTER (1984) 2) Desire 5:35 HEARTBREAKERS (1984) 3) Dolphin Dance 5:05 UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT (1986) 4) Mae's Transformation 4:21 NEAR DARK (1987) 5) Mothers of Rain 5:13 OPTICAL RACE (1988) 6) Crystal Curfew 4:57 LILY ON THE BEACH (1989) 7) Dolls in the Shadow 5:10 MELROSE (1990) 8) Touchwood 4:23 ROCKOON (1992) 9) Catwalk 7:16 TYRANNY OF BEAUTY (1995) SIDE B: 10) Story of the Brave 5:17 TURN OF THE TIDES CD-single (1994) 11) Rockoon -- Special Radio Edit 4:16 ROCKOON CD-single (1992) 12) Rough Embrace 5:30 THE DREAM MIXES (1995) 13) Catwalk (Black Ink Mix) 8:12 THE [UK] DREAM MIXES (1995) 14) Towards the Evening Star 6:16 GOBLINS' CLUB (1996) 15) Digital Sister 7:10 TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II (1997) 16) Propeller Beach 5:32 THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS, PT. I (1998) 17) In the Distant Shore 4:16 THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS, PT. II (1998) This stuff fits with about 45 seconds to spare on each side of a 90 minute tape if you make sure there's no extra space between the tracks. Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. SOME CURRENT E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, R. Carty, Redshift, Ozrics, Serrie +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | TD DISCOGRAPHY http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/tadream2.html | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue May 1, 2001 6:21 pm Subject: ATTENTION Hi all, at this moment is my Fan Homepage and MY AUCTION not AVAILABLE, I don`t know WHY??? I think it is a Server problem. Sorry. I will let you know when it is available. I hope very soon. Regards Heiko from Burg/Germany www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue May 1, 2001 7:39 pm Subject: ATTENTION 2 Hi all, my Homepage worked again, please look at: http://www.opticaldream.de or to my auction: http://www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm Bye heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue May 1, 2001 10:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] searching for a member Try this one glennr@f... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'j.gordon' To: Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:34 AM Subject: [tadream] searching for a member > sorry about that last mail slip up... > > i'm having trouble getting hold of a list member, glenn reinicke... > > any ideas on where he might be? or if he's left the list? > > thanks in advance > > j.gordon > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26855 Re: searching for a member j.gordon Thu 5/3/2001 4 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed May 2, 2001 11:27 am Subject: Shepherds Bush Info Hello there, OK folks, the concert is getting close, so here are some points that might be of interest. Transport --------- Presumably most people are coming on the Saturday and staying till Sunday. In which case you should get a Weekend Travelcard, which covers you for all London transport for the two days. Which zones you need the travelcard to cover will depend on how you're getting there and where you intend going. For example, if you're coming via Heathrow you'll probably want a Zones 1-6 card. See the following link for the zones' setup: http://www.thetube.com/content/tubemap/images/zm_map.jpg Getting there ------------- Turn right out of Shepherd Bush station (Central Line), walk under the bridge and keep going with Shepherds Bush Green on your left. When you reach the end of the green you'll see Harveys (former Moon on the Green) on your right. The venue is also at this end of the green, right next to the big blue bingo hall over to the left. Hotels ------ The following two hotels are about 1 minute's walk from the Empire (on the other side of the green to Harvey's), so anyone who hasn't yet booked a room or wants to change their current booking for one that's more convenient might like to try them. (Prices: 35UKP single, 60UKP double). Grantly Hotel [0044] (0)20 8743 7903 Her Majesty's Hotel [0044] (0)20 8746 2191 Other things to do if you have time ----------------------------------- The online version of Time Out, the London listings magazine, is at www.timeout.com, and tells you everything that's going on. I would have suggested a trip to the Mechanical Caberet (inspiration for the Zoo of Tranquillity album) in Covent Garden, but it's moved to Southend, alas (the MC, not Convent Garden!). Covent Garden is a great Sunday morning kind of place, but foreigners in particular might like to check out Speakers' Corner (northeast corner of Hyde Park). On Sunday mornings, various lunatics with extreme political or religious views gather to deliver their rants. The speakers themselves are usually boring nutters, but it's great fun when you get good hecklers. I've seen really good hecklers reduce speakers to tears and cause them to give up. It's all very eccentrically English and can be terrific entertainment. Or how about this for something offbeat: as most TDers are also Pink Floyd fans, you might like to check out their studio in Brittania Row, Islington (10 minutes' walk from Angel tube station). Brit Row is a cramped, shabby little street and you would never know the studio was there unless you had been forewarned. It's the 'St James Mission Hall', building, a typical Victorian former church hall. Look very closely through the windows and you can see the walls hung with artwork from Floyd albums. I always find it amazing that this collosally successful group that has sold zillions of records operates from such a nondescript and anonymous base. And who knows, if you knock on the door, maybe Dave, Rick or Nick will be home ;-) OK, that's all I can think of. See you all a week on Saturday. Glynn From: horrod6 Date: Wed May 2, 2001 5:46 pm Subject: What I did on my holidays (Oke2001) Now Dave's broken the ice, I thought I'd add my impressions of the Okefenokee trip, Swampfest or '2nd annual international festival of electronic swamp music' - as we rather highfalutingly called it on the flyer for the museum concert. This is an incredibly long post (I got carried away), so for those of you who are pressed for time, here are the high points in no particular order: - it was fun - I had a great time - the music was brilliant: special mention for the 'environmental' piece featuring wildlife noises (you'll have to read the piece to get the joke). I haven't written much about the music, you'll just have to wait for the CD - the fellow attendees were fantastic - the locals were extraordinarily friendly and helpful - the food was wonderful: special mentions for Roger's alligator chowder and Morgan's Texas chili - the swamp is beautiful - the wildlife is plentiful: special mention for Marcel's fox-taming act - the weather was just right (hot and sunny by day, cool by night) - the cabins were comfortable and well-appointed, although to sleep the specified number means some people sharing double beds or sleeping on couches and foldaways - I must remember to take insect repellant and drawing materials next time - America is just like the movies (well, the bits of America I saw, anyway) Thursday does not begin well for me - no day that starts at 3 a.m. can be said to start well! Add to that a cancelled flight to Amsterdam meaning that I would miss my connection to Atlanta and a two-hour queue to get re-routed and you might have started to feel that this trip was doomed. The queue is particularly nasty, as I have just been diagnosed with CFS and standing for more than about ten minutes is difficult. Luckily I planned ahead, knowing what airport queues are like, and borrowed a walking stick to lean on. I start to wish I'd accepted my friend's offer of a combined stick and folding chair! Once I know my revised e.t.a., the next problem is how to let other people know. I had planned to meet Dave and Steve at the airport and drive with them to Vic's. Now I'll be arriving five hours later than them. I have all the phone numbers, but it will only be 6 a.m. in Atlanta by the time I get ready to board, and I really don't think a phone call would be welcome. So I call my trusty sidekick (husband Dave), and ask him to phone Dave B, Steve and Vic (as backstop) at a reasonable time. However, after this things start getting better. A couple of brandies in the airport bar restore my perspective, and I sit and read my Georgia guide-book until it's time to board. The connection at Charles de Gaulle (Paris) is extremely tight, so there's a rather surreal scramble across the airport involving a bus, the back stairs, and a very helpful (and, thankfully, English-speaking) frenchman. Finally I make the Atlanta plane, only to be pleasantly surprised to find that I've been upgraded to business class (it would have cost me an extra £1,000 if I'd paid for it). After champagne, a gourmet meal with wine, and coffee and brandy, I compose myself to doze in the wonderfully roomy and comfortable seat. I surface in time to watch the view as we fly down the line of the Appalachians. There's Atlanta - what a lot of trees! How big the airport is, and how confusing the procedures. Here's my luggage - now they want it back again!? Now get the train across the airport. Here's my luggage again - I get to keep it this time. Now find a working payphone and call Vic - wish I'd upgraded the mobile so I could use it over here. Find one at last. Vic is expecting my call (Dave managed to get hold of him), and gives nice calm, clear instructions: I catch the MARTA (subway) across the city to where he will pick me up for the drive to Roswell. At last - Vic's house, a lovely warm welcome from Natasha and Patrick, Vic's wife and son (who gave up his room for me - what a gentleman), and Bill who has just arrived. Vic's 'section' looks like something from the cinema - I'm particularly reminded of the opening shots of 'Edward Scissorhands'. Inside, the house is spacious and homelike, full of family photos and quirky individuality (and of course, an entire room given over to Vic's TD collection). I'm just getting comfortable when the rest of the guys (Marcel, Frank, Dave, Steve, and Tom) arrive back from their meal. Tom, purveyor of all things beer-shaped, opens up his coolbox, and we sit around drinking beer, watching videos of last year, talking music and comparing journey times. Although I've been on the go the longest (roughly 24 hours between getting up this morning and arriving at Vic's) I reckon Bill's 16 hour drive wins in the determination stakes - at least I got to rest in comfort. Finally I slope off to bed at what my body is telling me is breakfast time. I wake surprisingly early on Friday - jetlag does have some benefits (because of the CFS I usually sleep 10-12 hours a night). I get my name down for the shower queue and sit around drinking tea. Bill rustles up some eggs and is instantly declared breakfast chef for the entire expedition (that was before we'd tried Morgan's omelettes). Considering the logistics we make a remarkably early start. I get to ride in Vic's BMW (and pick the in-car entertainment). Trying to keep his eye on a convoy of four vehicles in the Atlanta traffic is giving Vic a headache, so I pick something soothing. The scene in the music shop when eight of us troop in to collect the equipment Vic has arranged to hire is fun. It takes quite a while to sort out the paperwork, so people are noodling about on the various keyboards that are on display: it starts to sound good. The guy from the drum department next door keeps popping in and out - I don't know whether he is trying to work out if we're anybody famous, checking that we aren't damaging anything, enjoying the music, or hoping to sell us something. Finally, after a brief stop at a liquor store, we're off. This is my first trip to America, so I'm all eyes. Vic is an excellent tour guide, despite continuing stress from trying to keep the convoy together. Next year we need walkie talkies! We stop for a burger, and then go to the supermarket. Vic and I try to ensure that a healthy supply of fruit and vegetables are loaded, whilst other people shoot off with missions to get breakfast stuff, meat etc. Total chaos ensues, but we finally arrive at the checkout with three trolleys full of grub. Vic's eyes nearly pop out of his head when he sees the size of the bill! Stowing everything in cars already full of personal luggage, equipment and beer proves something of a puzzle, but we get there eventually. Now for the last leg of the journey. We pass through Valdosta, where, due to a diversion, I'm treated to a textbook view of life literally on the 'wrong side of the tracks' - a street of tumbledown one-room shacks, with screened in porches, people idly rocking and chatting in the afternoon sun, kids playing in the earth-floored yards, all facing out onto the unfenced railway line. I get a good look, as we're held up for about ten minutes waiting for a several-miles long train to pass. I thought places like this only existed in films! Now we're onto country roads, and Vic requests Cyclone - it's already become a tradition to play that on the final leg. We pass through 'two-pump towns' (have I got that right?), meet up with suicidal deer, and finally arrive, somewhat later than planned (this becomes the theme for the entire weekend). Roger, Lars and his two stunningly gorgeous sons, Burnell and Kieron, are already here. (Before you get the wrong idea I'd better point out that the boys are around four and five!) The initial view of the swamp is impressive - tall, spindly cypress trees, spanish moss, low palm-like plants (palmetto?). During the four days I saw deer, alligators, turtles, squirrels, a fox, raccoons, a barred owl, a huge hawk, an even huger heron (it's true, everything IS bigger in America!), woodpeckers, several other spectacular birds I don't know the names of... Many of the critters wander around near the cabins at night or in the early morning - but not the alligators, DG. One night, Marcel persuaded a very shy fox to approach to within inches of him, simply by keeping very still and quiet down on one knee: this despite the noise from 15 other people partying in the cottages on either side of him. The raccoons just ignored us altogether and wandered around in the evening hoping to pick up anything we'd dropped near the barbecue, passing within a few feet of us with no sign of discomfiture. Feeding the animals is forbidden, and rightly so - if they get used to coming to people for food they're not wild any more - so we resisted the temptation, and also cleared up after ourselves thoroughly so there was nothing to scavenge - sorry, raccoons! The cottages are very well appointed. Bill and I grab the room with two single beds - Bill on the grounds that this way he'll only keep one person awake with his snoring, me on the grounds that, fond though I am becoming of them, I'm not prepared to share one of the double beds with any of the guys. The cottage with the dishwasher is designated the main cooking area, so Bill, Dave and Marcel set up their equipment in the other one. Beer appears. Roger produces pasta with a tasty venison sauce and we sit around listening to the musicians getting to know one another. I'm astonished by how quickly they start creating great sounds. More beer appears. We're all reduced to quivering, giggling wrecks by Bill's rendition of 'Dixie' (in the style of Jimi Hendrix's 'Star-spangled Banner'). More food appears. We chat and listen to the music. More beer appears. We go for a stroll in the dark and listen to the fogs. More beer appears. Finally I crash. Next morning I wake up early feeling full of energy for the first time in months. It's already pleasantly warm, so I go outside to do some T'ai Chi and get eaten alive by insects. Huh? Scottish insects (and our 'clegs' are infamous) only bite in the evening. Blast, I forgot the insect repellant. During breakfast (a lengthy feast) our numbers are augmented by the arrival of Jim and Morgan. Now we have Marx (Morgan) and Engels (Marcel). Perhaps we should name one of this year's tracks 'The critique of dialectical materialism'? There are now too many of us to fit into the motor boats we have booked, so Steve and I, who are raring to go, take a canoe. (I borrow someone else's insect repellant first!) It's a long time since I've done this, and both our experience is primarily in kayaks rather than Canadian-style canoes - I'm glad none of the others are around to see our early efforts as we career all over the waterways. It's Saturday, so the water is busy and the wildlife is sensibly hiding away - apart from the alligators, who have no reason to be nervous of us! However, our slow, quiet progress (once I remember how not to keep bashing the side of the canoe with my paddle) and frequent stops to look around and listen to the swamp sounds, probably means that we see and hear more than most. Drat - I left my camera in the cottage: luckily Steve has his and promises to share his pics. There are water lilies everywhere: we 'park' in a clump to rest and snack. Two deer appear - also snacking (on the water lilies). We cruise back down the narrow waterway, assisted by the current. It's narrow and fast flowing, but we're really starting to paddle as a team now (Steve has been giving me hints on technique) and we only brush against a couple of trees: this is fun! Other water-users are unfailingly courteous: I can't get used to the 'Sir's, 'Ma'am's and 'Hi, y'all's - I thought this way of talking was a caricature that was only found in films. I'm beginning to learn that America is just like the movies! On the water the insects aren't bad, but I remember to stop off in the shop to buy some repellant. We arrive back in the mid-afternoon to find Pete and John (two thirds of Air Sculpture) have been sitting waiting for us on the porch for some time - luckily someone thought to leave them a note. Vic, ever the courteous host, takes them off for an introduction to the swamp in one of the motor boats. With TD playing on somebody's boombox, Frank makes burgers which Tom barbecues. Others chop pickles, wash lettuce etc. and I'm treated to my first REAL home-style American burger (it's great). I sit in a rocker on the porch, smoking a cigarette, listening to the music and the chatter and feel extrordinarily relaxed. After a while, I hear a strange thumping noise. Going to investigate, I find Steve beating seven skittles of you-know-what out of some meat with a baseball bat. He's tenderising the alligator tail with which Roger is going to make alligator chowder for tonight. Meanwhile, Tom is recharging the other barbecue ready to cook steaks - or was it pork chops? We ate so much, especially meat, that one meal blurs into another. Mind you, one meal really DID blur into another: there seemed to be a permanent buffet from mid-afternoon to midnight, with Roger producing something tasty and exotic on the stove top, Tom barbecuing away like a demon, Vic making salad, and the rest of us chipping in wherever a hand was needed or producing our own specialities, of which Morgan's Texas chili is definitely the most memorable! (Special note: I did NO cooking, apart from the occasional stirring of a saucepan or anointing of something on the barbecue - thanks guys!) Vic says he's very impressed: I'm first up and have been paddling a canoe for most of the day, but I'm still full of beans despite the CFS. I tell him what friends with the condition have always told me - I can do pretty much what I like today (although I did wilt a bit towards the end of the canoe trip and poor Steve had to do most of the work on the last leg), but I know I will have to pay for it later. If I can only defer payment until Tuesday, or even better Thursday, I shall be very happy. John and Pete get back, and set up their equipment remarkably speedily. Once again, I'm astonished at how quickly the musicians all 'mesh' and start producing good improvised sounds - the only discussion I was aware of was a rather despairing 'does somebody want to choose a tempo?' when the first piece didn't seem to be getting off the ground. After that, a modus vivendi was quickly reached. Time for the goodie bag. I do NOT distinguish myself in the 'name that tune' or 'name that film' competition despite Marcel muttering assistance in my ear: I usually listen to the music without looking at the titles. I long to see Dave and Jim go head-to-head in a champions league match (if only because if they're excluded from the main competition the rest of us might get a look-in)! I do manage to come away with some treats from the draw, including the other CD of Marcel and Heij playing at e-live (embarrassing Marcel by demanding he autograph it). After that comes trading, both of our winnings from the goodie bag and of a tiny sub-section of Lars's 'tradables' collection, plus hilariously desperate salesmanship from Lars trying to dispose of the 'Dino' CD he got in the draw. Kudos to Roger for making up the competition CDs and to Vic for running the show (and, grudgingly, to Dave and Jim for knowing their stuff). For some strange reason the end of the evening is somewhat fuzzy in my memory, but I made it to bed eventually. Next morning, I'm one of the first up again. I spray very thouroughly with insect repellant this time, then go out to enjoy the morning light with a cup of tea and a cigarette. I'm joined by Bill: we are both in stitches at Roger's incredible snoring. He's sleeping on the porch, ostensibly so he can watch the early morning wildlife but really to get his extraordinary vocal and nasal apparatus as far away from everybody else as possible. So that's why John, who had originally intended to sleep on the porch too, is now on the kitchen floor! Bill fetches his minidisc to record this astonishing sound, then adds (in a pseudo David Attenborough whisper) 'and that is a magnificent example of the wildlife sounds to be heard here in the Okefenokee'. I say that they should use it as the baseline for a piece of music. The amazing breakfast show begins again, with people frantically chopping ham, onions and mushrooms, grating cheese, pouring juice, toasting bread, making coffee etc. and Morgan presiding over all as he turns out one omelette after another, all to a soundtrack of beautiful EM. Morgan and Frank head off into Florida for a shopping expedition. The rest of us slap on hats, slop on the suntan lotion, spray on the repellant (again) and go for a walk. The antics of the boys with 'uncles' Dave and Marcel have us in tucks. We explain to the 'uncles' how attractive girls find men who are good with children. They don't seem to believe us. We see a beautiful fawn, nestling in the grass right by the side of the boardwalk, as well as numerous frogs and lizards, and exotic (well they are to me) plants. On the way back we descend on the shop for mementos and presents to take home. I buy seven hats for my roleplay gaming buddies (it's a tradition - but what will they think in customs?) and one for myself - tangerine coloured, of course! Marcel kindly writes my postcard in Dutch for me (it's going to an avid postcard collector friend in the Netherlands). We spend the rest of the day lazing around chatting, listening to various EM artists on the boombox, preparing food, and eating. The rangers have kindly allowed us to take over the museum and interpretive center tonight for a concert. We plan, and I letter, a flyer for the concert, which Vic gets the rangers' permission to put on the notice board. It's not exactly high art - one black pen and a sheet of A4 is kinda limited: memo to self - next time take at least a pencil and ruler. Now its time to set up for the concert. Several of the guys are very interested in the equipment, and keen to act as 'roadies', so I leave them to it (out of the goodness of my heart, you understand). I wander down to the museum to find Pete using his tiny PC to record the kids screaming. Kieron screams so loud that he frightens himself! The gear is all on stage and techy/muso stuff is going on, so I start rearranging the furniture in the audience area. Somewhat later than anticipated, we are ready to start: but first we have to go outside and try to spot the space station, which is supposed to be visible tonight. No joy - probably too many trees to see it at a low angle. The flyer seems to have worked - although the park is quiet on a Sunday night, we have five people turn up. One of them even stays until the second piece. We have a great time, then break down the gear, move it back to the cottages and start eating again! We're listening to a recording of the music from the first night: I'm really sleepy, but I don't want to miss this. Then Bill comes up with a brilliant idea - put his minidisc (on which he has been recording _everything_) on the table between our beds, plug in two sets of headphones, and we can listen as we drift off to sleep. This has to be one of my best memories: lying in the dark, literally connected to Bill by the headphone cables, and feeling connected to everybody else by the music. Thanks Bill! Next morning we have the breakfast show again, then head out in the motor boats. We can travel further than we did by canoe, and the water is less busy, so we see more. Frank is enviably good at spotting alligators. I get lots of photographs of places where a turtle was a minute ago. I discover that I am 'way down upon the Suwannee river' (or rather, way UP - in the headwaters). We visit Billy's Island (named for a Seminole chief called Billy Bowlegs - honest) where the incident with the owlet occurs (see Dave's post). With Dave being so skinny, I had visions of the protective mama owl flying off with him dangling from her talons. After eating, it's time to set up for the final concert, outdoors in the picnic area. I'm finally starting to feel the effects of doing too much, so I go for a snooze while the guys set up. Now we come to the only organisational failure of the whole Swampfest - Vic forgot to come and wake me when they were ready to start playing (somewhat later than anticipated, naturally) so I missed the comic highlight of the trip, although I heard a recording later, natch - several times. John and Pete wanted to do an ambient environmental track, so the artists cooked up a piece involving the bullfrogs and cicadas Bill had recorded late at night and early in the morning, Pete's recording of Burnell and Kieron screaming, Roger's snores and Bill's commentary. Roger laughed till it hurt, and everybody else was in hysterics too. Somewhere in the middle of this Pete's wife Debbie appeared - I don't know what she thought of all these crazies rolling around laughing their socks off. Meantime, Vic has inveigled the Ranger (a very nice lady called Barbara) into arranging for us to go out on the tour boat after dark. Despite a very fast break down of the kit, we are of course somewhat later than anticipated in being ready for this. A rather bemused intern navigates us out into the main waterway, then switches off the engine. As we drift back towards the ranger station, we all stay very quiet and watch the beautiful starry sky while Bill records the night sounds over the water, then we use flashlights for a bit of alligator spotting: their eyes reflect red - very spooky! Then it was back to the cottages for more food, and a noble attempt to finish off the beer. Finally there is only Hamms left - Tom has warned me off it, but I see that he's drinking it so I risk it. Frank seems to find this incredibly funny and keeps saying something about 'beerhammer' which doesn't translate into Brit. Next morning, I manage to wake up enough to say goodbye to the early departers, then go back to sleep. Next thing I know someone's hammering on the door - we have an hour to get up and leave. The breakfast show is underway in the 'cooking' cottage, so we clear up the other one. The dishwasher is going non-stop as we try and sort out the crockery, cutlery and cookware which has all migrated into one cottage, and the glasses which have all migrated into the other one - how strange. Finally (somewhat later than anticipated) the diehards - Vic, Tom, Frank, Marcel and myself - are ready to leave. Everybody wants to ride in the BMW, but I bag the first stretch. We drive the country roads with the top down and Cyclone playing - so cool. It proves impossible to keep to the speed limit with Madrigal Meridian blasting out. Then I move to the back seat of Tom's Buick with its wonderful sound system, and crash out. We're all pretty bushed by the time we get to Vic's, but we investigate his CD collection and talk music for a while before crashing. Next day, poor Vic has to go to work. Tom heads off fairly early - he still has a three-hour drive ahead of him and he's worried about the dog-sitter. (He was meant to be home last night, but was just too shattered to drive any further.) Marcel, Frank and I continue to investigate the CD collection and talk music while Natasha studies for her french test tomorrow. Then we drive to the MARTA station to drop the guys off to catch their flights (good job Natasha has an estate car). Natasha and I go shopping, and drive around some of the interesting areas of Roswell: it looks like countryside to me, but this is the 'burbs. I'm very envious. We pick up Patrick from school then I help Natasha a bit with her french. In the evening, Vic, Natasha and I go out for sushi - another first for me. They have lots of interesting things on the menu, including a 'viagra roll' - a semicircle of sushi rolls topped with various fish eggs, plus two strategically placed quail's eggs and an asparagus spear. Having watched the chef prepare one, we are very amused to see who ordered it - a tough-looking guy who's dining with _two_ very sexy young ladies. Next morning Vic has to work again, so we say goodbye before he heads off. I'm now really feeling the effect of Bill's cold, which he so kindly shared with us, so I don't feel like doing much. Natasha and I do some more work on her french, have something to eat, and then shop some more. She drops me off at the station and I begin the journey home. This time everything goes smoothly, although less comfortably (no upgrade - boo hoo). I have plenty of time at Schiphol to relive happy memories with a couple of old genevers and an uitschmitter (probably spelt that wrong). I arrive in Edinburgh mid-morning to be met by Dave (my hero!) who I proceed to bore to death by trying to tell him absolutely everything about the trip over a cup of coffee before heading for home. I leave a message for Vic and Natasha to tell them I've made it OK, then head for bed for the afternoon. I spend all day on Saturday and Sunday sleeping, and laze around all day on Monday, finally rejoining the human race on Tuesday. Thanks to the artists for sharing their music. Thanks to the drivers for getting us there. Thanks to the chefs for the wonderful food. Thanks to everybody for being such nice people. Thanks to Kieron and Burnell just for being themselves, and Lars for bringing them - and for enduring the rigours of camping: sweet though the boys are I'm not sure I coud have coped with them in the cottage first thing in the morning! Thanks to Steve for putting up with my rusty canoeing skills with kindness and patience. Thanks to Patrick for giving up his bed. Thanks to Natasha for coping with a houseful (and I mean _full_) of weirdo nerds - you should have seen her face when she found out that I too work with computers - playing music she doesn't like at all hours of the day and night. But most of all, thanks to Vic and Roger for having the idea and Vic for bringing it to fruition. If there is a way on God's earth I can manage it I'll be there next year, probably with spouse in tow. I urge you all to join us - especially any other females on the list. Don't be nervous, these are the good guys! LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26867 Re: What I did on my holidays (Oke2001) Synthhtnys@a... Fri 5/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Wed May 2, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] What I did on my holidays (Oke2001) Is it possible to have the short-version ;o) Or should I wait for the movieversion ;o) OK, only joking ............... Poul > Now Dave's broken the ice, I thought I'd add my impressions of the > Okefenokee trip, Swampfest or '2nd annual international festival of > electronic swamp music' - as we rather highfalutingly called it on the > flyer for the museum concert. > > This is an incredibly long post (I got carried away), so for those of > you who are pressed for time, here are the high points in no particular > order: > - it was fun > - I had a great time > - the music was brilliant: special mention for the 'environmental' piece > featuring wildlife noises (you'll have to read the piece to get the > joke). I haven't written much about the music, you'll just have to wait > for the CD > - the fellow attendees were fantastic > - the locals were extraordinarily friendly and helpful > - the food was wonderful: special mentions for Roger's alligator chowder > and Morgan's Texas chili > - the swamp is beautiful > - the wildlife is plentiful: special mention for Marcel's fox-taming act > - the weather was just right (hot and sunny by day, cool by night) > - the cabins were comfortable and well-appointed, although to sleep the > specified number means some people sharing double beds or sleeping on > couches and foldaways > - I must remember to take insect repellant and drawing materials next > time > - America is just like the movies (well, the bits of America I saw, > anyway) > > Thursday does not begin well for me - no day that starts at 3 a.m. can > be said to start well! Add to that a cancelled flight to Amsterdam > meaning that I would miss my connection to Atlanta and a two-hour queue > to get re-routed and you might have started to feel that this trip was > doomed. The queue is particularly nasty, as I have just been diagnosed > with CFS and standing for more than about ten minutes is difficult. > Luckily I planned ahead, knowing what airport queues are like, and > borrowed a walking stick to lean on. I start to wish I'd accepted my > friend's offer of a combined stick and folding chair! > > Once I know my revised e.t.a., the next problem is how to let other > people know. I had planned to meet Dave and Steve at the airport and > drive with them to Vic's. Now I'll be arriving five hours later than > them. I have all the phone numbers, but it will only be 6 a.m. in > Atlanta by the time I get ready to board, and I really don't think a > phone call would be welcome. So I call my trusty sidekick (husband > Dave), and ask him to phone Dave B, Steve and Vic (as backstop) at a > reasonable time. > > However, after this things start getting better. A couple of brandies in > the airport bar restore my perspective, and I sit and read my Georgia > guide-book until it's time to board. The connection at Charles de Gaulle > (Paris) is extremely tight, so there's a rather surreal scramble across > the airport involving a bus, the back stairs, and a very helpful (and, > thankfully, English-speaking) frenchman. Finally I make the Atlanta > plane, only to be pleasantly surprised to find that I've been upgraded > to business class (it would have cost me an extra £1,000 if I'd paid for > it). After champagne, a gourmet meal with wine, and coffee and brandy, I > compose myself to doze in the wonderfully roomy and comfortable seat. > > I surface in time to watch the view as we fly down the line of the > Appalachians. There's Atlanta - what a lot of trees! How big the airport > is, and how confusing the procedures. Here's my luggage - now they want > it back again!? Now get the train across the airport. Here's my luggage > again - I get to keep it this time. Now find a working payphone and call > Vic - wish I'd upgraded the mobile so I could use it over here. Find one > at last. Vic is expecting my call (Dave managed to get hold of him), and > gives nice calm, clear instructions: I catch the MARTA (subway) across > the city to where he will pick me up for the drive to Roswell. > > At last - Vic's house, a lovely warm welcome from Natasha and Patrick, > Vic's wife and son (who gave up his room for me - what a gentleman), and > Bill who has just arrived. Vic's 'section' looks like something from the > cinema - I'm particularly reminded of the opening shots of 'Edward > Scissorhands'. Inside, the house is spacious and homelike, full of > family photos and quirky individuality (and of course, an entire room > given over to Vic's TD collection). I'm just getting comfortable when > the rest of the guys (Marcel, Frank, Dave, Steve, and Tom) arrive back > from their meal. Tom, purveyor of all things beer-shaped, opens up his > coolbox, and we sit around drinking beer, watching videos of last year, > talking music and comparing journey times. Although I've been on the go > the longest (roughly 24 hours between getting up this morning and > arriving at Vic's) I reckon Bill's 16 hour drive wins in the > determination stakes - at least I got to rest in comfort. Finally I > slope off to bed at what my body is telling me is breakfast time. > > I wake surprisingly early on Friday - jetlag does have some benefits > (because of the CFS I usually sleep 10-12 hours a night). I get my name > down for the shower queue and sit around drinking tea. Bill rustles up > some eggs and is instantly declared breakfast chef for the entire > expedition (that was before we'd tried Morgan's omelettes). > > Considering the logistics we make a remarkably early start. I get to > ride in Vic's BMW (and pick the in-car entertainment). Trying to keep > his eye on a convoy of four vehicles in the Atlanta traffic is giving > Vic a headache, so I pick something soothing. The scene in the music > shop when eight of us troop in to collect the equipment Vic has arranged > to hire is fun. It takes quite a while to sort out the paperwork, so > people are noodling about on the various keyboards that are on display: > it starts to sound good. The guy from the drum department next door > keeps popping in and out - I don't know whether he is trying to work out > if we're anybody famous, checking that we aren't damaging anything, > enjoying the music, or hoping to sell us something. > > Finally, after a brief stop at a liquor store, we're off. This is my > first trip to America, so I'm all eyes. Vic is an excellent tour guide, > despite continuing stress from trying to keep the convoy together. Next > year we need walkie talkies! > > We stop for a burger, and then go to the supermarket. Vic and I try to > ensure that a healthy supply of fruit and vegetables are loaded, whilst > other people shoot off with missions to get breakfast stuff, meat etc. > Total chaos ensues, but we finally arrive at the checkout with three > trolleys full of grub. Vic's eyes nearly pop out of his head when he > sees the size of the bill! Stowing everything in cars already full of > personal luggage, equipment and beer proves something of a puzzle, but > we get there eventually. Now for the last leg of the journey. > > We pass through Valdosta, where, due to a diversion, I'm treated to a > textbook view of life literally on the 'wrong side of the tracks' - a > street of tumbledown one-room shacks, with screened in porches, people > idly rocking and chatting in the afternoon sun, kids playing in the > earth-floored yards, all facing out onto the unfenced railway line. I > get a good look, as we're held up for about ten minutes waiting for a > several-miles long train to pass. I thought places like this only > existed in films! > > Now we're onto country roads, and Vic requests Cyclone - it's already > become a tradition to play that on the final leg. We pass through > 'two-pump towns' (have I got that right?), meet up with suicidal deer, > and finally arrive, somewhat later than planned (this becomes the theme > for the entire weekend). Roger, Lars and his two stunningly gorgeous > sons, Burnell and Kieron, are already here. (Before you get the wrong > idea I'd better point out that the boys are around four and five!) > > The initial view of the swamp is impressive - tall, spindly cypress > trees, spanish moss, low palm-like plants (palmetto?). During the four > days I saw deer, alligators, turtles, squirrels, a fox, raccoons, a > barred owl, a huge hawk, an even huger heron (it's true, everything IS > bigger in America!), woodpeckers, several other spectacular birds I > don't know the names of... Many of the critters wander around near the > cabins at night or in the early morning - but not the alligators, DG. > One night, Marcel persuaded a very shy fox to approach to within inches > of him, simply by keeping very still and quiet down on one knee: this > despite the noise from 15 other people partying in the cottages on > either side of him. The raccoons just ignored us altogether and wandered > around in the evening hoping to pick up anything we'd dropped near the > barbecue, passing within a few feet of us with no sign of discomfiture. > Feeding the animals is forbidden, and rightly so - if they get used to > coming to people for food they're not wild any more - so we resisted the > temptation, and also cleared up after ourselves thoroughly so there was > nothing to scavenge - sorry, raccoons! > > The cottages are very well appointed. Bill and I grab the room with two > single beds - Bill on the grounds that this way he'll only keep one > person awake with his snoring, me on the grounds that, fond though I am > becoming of them, I'm not prepared to share one of the double beds with > any of the guys. The cottage with the dishwasher is designated the main > cooking area, so Bill, Dave and Marcel set up their equipment in the > other one. Beer appears. Roger produces pasta with a tasty venison sauce > and we sit around listening to the musicians getting to know one > another. I'm astonished by how quickly they start creating great sounds. > More beer appears. We're all reduced to quivering, giggling wrecks by > Bill's rendition of 'Dixie' (in the style of Jimi Hendrix's > 'Star-spangled Banner'). More food appears. We chat and listen to the > music. More beer appears. We go for a stroll in the dark and listen to > the fogs. More beer appears. Finally I crash. > > Next morning I wake up early feeling full of energy for the first time > in months. It's already pleasantly warm, so I go outside to do some T'ai > Chi and get eaten alive by insects. Huh? Scottish insects (and our > 'clegs' are infamous) only bite in the evening. Blast, I forgot the > insect repellant. During breakfast (a lengthy feast) our numbers are > augmented by the arrival of Jim and Morgan. Now we have Marx (Morgan) > and Engels (Marcel). Perhaps we should name one of this year's tracks > 'The critique of dialectical materialism'? There are now too many of us > to fit into the motor boats we have booked, so Steve and I, who are > raring to go, take a canoe. (I borrow someone else's insect repellant > first!) It's a long time since I've done this, and both our experience > is primarily in kayaks rather than Canadian-style canoes - I'm glad none > of the others are around to see our early efforts as we career all over > the waterways. > > It's Saturday, so the water is busy and the wildlife is sensibly hiding > away - apart from the alligators, who have no reason to be nervous of > us! However, our slow, quiet progress (once I remember how not to keep > bashing the side of the canoe with my paddle) and frequent stops to look > around and listen to the swamp sounds, probably means that we see and > hear more than most. Drat - I left my camera in the cottage: luckily > Steve has his and promises to share his pics. There are water lilies > everywhere: we 'park' in a clump to rest and snack. Two deer appear - > also snacking (on the water lilies). We cruise back down the narrow > waterway, assisted by the current. It's narrow and fast flowing, but > we're really starting to paddle as a team now (Steve has been giving me > hints on technique) and we only brush against a couple of trees: this is > fun! Other water-users are unfailingly courteous: I can't get used to > the 'Sir's, 'Ma'am's and 'Hi, y'all's - I thought this way of talking > was a caricature that was only found in films. I'm beginning to learn > that America is just like the movies! On the water the insects aren't > bad, but I remember to stop off in the shop to buy some repellant. > > We arrive back in the mid-afternoon to find Pete and John (two thirds of > Air Sculpture) have been sitting waiting for us on the porch for some > time - luckily someone thought to leave them a note. Vic, ever the > courteous host, takes them off for an introduction to the swamp in one > of the motor boats. With TD playing on somebody's boombox, Frank makes > burgers which Tom barbecues. Others chop pickles, wash lettuce etc. and > I'm treated to my first REAL home-style American burger (it's great). I > sit in a rocker on the porch, smoking a cigarette, listening to the > music and the chatter and feel extrordinarily relaxed. > > After a while, I hear a strange thumping noise. Going to investigate, I > find Steve beating seven skittles of you-know-what out of some meat with > a baseball bat. He's tenderising the alligator tail with which Roger is > going to make alligator chowder for tonight. Meanwhile, Tom is > recharging the other barbecue ready to cook steaks - or was it pork > chops? We ate so much, especially meat, that one meal blurs into > another. Mind you, one meal really DID blur into another: there seemed > to be a permanent buffet from mid-afternoon to midnight, with Roger > producing something tasty and exotic on the stove top, Tom barbecuing > away like a demon, Vic making salad, and the rest of us chipping in > wherever a hand was needed or producing our own specialities, of which > Morgan's Texas chili is definitely the most memorable! (Special note: I > did NO cooking, apart from the occasional stirring of a saucepan or > anointing of something on the barbecue - thanks guys!) > > Vic says he's very impressed: I'm first up and have been paddling a > canoe for most of the day, but I'm still full of beans despite the CFS. > I tell him what friends with the condition have always told me - I can > do pretty much what I like today (although I did wilt a bit towards the > end of the canoe trip and poor Steve had to do most of the work on the > last leg), but I know I will have to pay for it later. If I can only > defer payment until Tuesday, or even better Thursday, I shall be very > happy. > > John and Pete get back, and set up their equipment remarkably speedily. > Once again, I'm astonished at how quickly the musicians all 'mesh' and > start producing good improvised sounds - the only discussion I was > aware of was a rather despairing 'does somebody want to choose a tempo?' > when the first piece didn't seem to be getting off the ground. After > that, a modus vivendi was quickly reached. > > Time for the goodie bag. I do NOT distinguish myself in the 'name that > tune' or 'name that film' competition despite Marcel muttering > assistance in my ear: I usually listen to the music without looking at > the titles. I long to see Dave and Jim go head-to-head in a champions > league match (if only because if they're excluded from the main > competition the rest of us might get a look-in)! I do manage to come > away with some treats from the draw, including the other CD of Marcel > and Heij playing at e-live (embarrassing Marcel by demanding he > autograph it). After that comes trading, both of our winnings from the > goodie bag and of a tiny sub-section of Lars's 'tradables' collection, > plus hilariously desperate salesmanship from Lars trying to dispose of > the 'Dino' CD he got in the draw. Kudos to Roger for making up the > competition CDs and to Vic for running the show (and, grudgingly, to > Dave and Jim for knowing their stuff). For some strange reason the end > of the evening is somewhat fuzzy in my memory, but I made it to bed > eventually. > > Next morning, I'm one of the first up again. I spray very thouroughly > with insect repellant this time, then go out to enjoy the morning light > with a cup of tea and a cigarette. I'm joined by Bill: we are both in > stitches at Roger's incredible snoring. He's sleeping on the porch, > ostensibly so he can watch the early morning wildlife but really to get > his extraordinary vocal and nasal apparatus as far away from everybody > else as possible. So that's why John, who had originally intended to > sleep on the porch too, is now on the kitchen floor! Bill fetches his > minidisc to record this astonishing sound, then adds (in a pseudo David > Attenborough whisper) 'and that is a magnificent example of the wildlife > sounds to be heard here in the Okefenokee'. I say that they should use > it as the baseline for a piece of music. > > The amazing breakfast show begins again, with people frantically > chopping ham, onions and mushrooms, grating cheese, pouring juice, > toasting bread, making coffee etc. and Morgan presiding over all as he > turns out one omelette after another, all to a soundtrack of beautiful > EM. Morgan and Frank head off into Florida for a shopping expedition. > The rest of us slap on hats, slop on the suntan lotion, spray on the > repellant (again) and go for a walk. The antics of the boys with > 'uncles' Dave and Marcel have us in tucks. We explain to the 'uncles' > how attractive girls find men who are good with children. They don't > seem to believe us. We see a beautiful fawn, nestling in the grass right > by the side of the boardwalk, as well as numerous frogs and lizards, and > exotic (well they are to me) plants. On the way back we descend on the > shop for mementos and presents to take home. I buy seven hats for my > roleplay gaming buddies (it's a tradition - but what will they think in > customs?) and one for myself - tangerine coloured, of course! Marcel > kindly writes my postcard in Dutch for me (it's going to an avid > postcard collector friend in the Netherlands). > > We spend the rest of the day lazing around chatting, listening to > various EM artists on the boombox, preparing food, and eating. The > rangers have kindly allowed us to take over the museum and interpretive > center tonight for a concert. We plan, and I letter, a flyer for the > concert, which Vic gets the rangers' permission to put on the notice > board. It's not exactly high art - one black pen and a sheet of A4 is > kinda limited: memo to self - next time take at least a pencil and > ruler. > > Now its time to set up for the concert. Several of the guys are very > interested in the equipment, and keen to act as 'roadies', so I leave > them to it (out of the goodness of my heart, you understand). I wander > down to the museum to find Pete using his tiny PC to record the kids > screaming. Kieron screams so loud that he frightens himself! The gear is > all on stage and techy/muso stuff is going on, so I start rearranging > the furniture in the audience area. Somewhat later than anticipated, we > are ready to start: but first we have to go outside and try to spot the > space station, which is supposed to be visible tonight. No joy - > probably too many trees to see it at a low angle. The flyer seems to > have worked - although the park is quiet on a Sunday night, we have five > people turn up. One of them even stays until the second piece. We have a > great time, then break down the gear, move it back to the cottages and > start eating again! We're listening to a recording of the music from the > first night: I'm really sleepy, but I don't want to miss this. Then Bill > comes up with a brilliant idea - put his minidisc (on which he has been > recording _everything_) on the table between our beds, plug in two sets > of headphones, and we can listen as we drift off to sleep. This has to > be one of my best memories: lying in the dark, literally connected to > Bill by the headphone cables, and feeling connected to everybody else by > the music. Thanks Bill! > > Next morning we have the breakfast show again, then head out in the > motor boats. We can travel further than we did by canoe, and the water > is less busy, so we see more. Frank is enviably good at spotting > alligators. I get lots of photographs of places where a turtle was a > minute ago. I discover that I am 'way down upon the Suwannee river' (or > rather, way UP - in the headwaters). We visit Billy's Island (named for > a Seminole chief called Billy Bowlegs - honest) where the incident with > the owlet occurs (see Dave's post). With Dave being so skinny, I had > visions of the protective mama owl flying off with him dangling from her > talons. > > After eating, it's time to set up for the final concert, outdoors in the > picnic area. I'm finally starting to feel the effects of doing too much, > so I go for a snooze while the guys set up. Now we come to the only > organisational failure of the whole Swampfest - Vic forgot to come and > wake me when they were ready to start playing (somewhat later than > anticipated, naturally) so I missed the comic highlight of the trip, > although I heard a recording later, natch - several times. John and Pete > wanted to do an ambient environmental track, so the artists cooked up a > piece involving the bullfrogs and cicadas Bill had recorded late at > night and early in the morning, Pete's recording of Burnell and Kieron > screaming, Roger's snores and Bill's commentary. Roger laughed till it > hurt, and everybody else was in hysterics too. Somewhere in the middle > of this Pete's wife Debbie appeared - I don't know what she thought of > all these crazies rolling around laughing their socks off. > > Meantime, Vic has inveigled the Ranger (a very nice lady called Barbara) > into arranging for us to go out on the tour boat after dark. Despite a > very fast break down of the kit, we are of course somewhat later than > anticipated in being ready for this. A rather bemused intern navigates > us out into the main waterway, then switches off the engine. As we drift > back towards the ranger station, we all stay very quiet and watch the > beautiful starry sky while Bill records the night sounds over the water, > then we use flashlights for a bit of alligator spotting: their eyes > reflect red - very spooky! Then it was back to the cottages for more > food, and a noble attempt to finish off the beer. Finally there is only > Hamms left - Tom has warned me off it, but I see that he's drinking it > so I risk it. Frank seems to find this incredibly funny and keeps saying > something about 'beerhammer' which doesn't translate into Brit. > > Next morning, I manage to wake up enough to say goodbye to the early > departers, then go back to sleep. Next thing I know someone's hammering > on the door - we have an hour to get up and leave. The breakfast show is > underway in the 'cooking' cottage, so we clear up the other one. The > dishwasher is going non-stop as we try and sort out the crockery, > cutlery and cookware which has all migrated into one cottage, and the > glasses which have all migrated into the other one - how strange. > Finally (somewhat later than anticipated) the diehards - Vic, Tom, > Frank, Marcel and myself - are ready to leave. Everybody wants to ride > in the BMW, but I bag the first stretch. We drive the country roads with > the top down and Cyclone playing - so cool. It proves impossible to keep > to the speed limit with Madrigal Meridian blasting out. Then I move to > the back seat of Tom's Buick with its wonderful sound system, and crash > out. We're all pretty bushed by the time we get to Vic's, but we > investigate his CD collection and talk music for a while before > crashing. > > Next day, poor Vic has to go to work. Tom heads off fairly early - he > still has a three-hour drive ahead of him and he's worried about the > dog-sitter. (He was meant to be home last night, but was just too > shattered to drive any further.) Marcel, Frank and I continue to > investigate the CD collection and talk music while Natasha studies for > her french test tomorrow. Then we drive to the MARTA station to drop the > guys off to catch their flights (good job Natasha has an estate car). > Natasha and I go shopping, and drive around some of the interesting > areas of Roswell: it looks like countryside to me, but this is the > 'burbs. I'm very envious. We pick up Patrick from school then I help > Natasha a bit with her french. > > In the evening, Vic, Natasha and I go out for sushi - another first for > me. They have lots of interesting things on the menu, including a > 'viagra roll' - a semicircle of sushi rolls topped with various fish > eggs, plus two strategically placed quail's eggs and an asparagus spear. > Having watched the chef prepare one, we are very amused to see who > ordered it - a tough-looking guy who's dining with _two_ very sexy young > ladies. > > Next morning Vic has to work again, so we say goodbye before he heads > off. I'm now really feeling the effect of Bill's cold, which he so > kindly shared with us, so I don't feel like doing much. Natasha and I do > some more work on her french, have something to eat, and then shop some > more. She drops me off at the station and I begin the journey home. This > time everything goes smoothly, although less comfortably (no upgrade - > boo hoo). I have plenty of time at Schiphol to relive happy memories > with a couple of old genevers and an uitschmitter (probably spelt that > wrong). I arrive in Edinburgh mid-morning to be met by Dave (my hero!) > who I proceed to bore to death by trying to tell him absolutely > everything about the trip over a cup of coffee before heading for home. > I leave a message for Vic and Natasha to tell them I've made it OK, then > head for bed for the afternoon. I spend all day on Saturday and Sunday > sleeping, and laze around all day on Monday, finally rejoining the human > race on Tuesday. > > Thanks to the artists for sharing their music. Thanks to the drivers for > getting us there. Thanks to the chefs for the wonderful food. Thanks to > everybody for being such nice people. Thanks to Kieron and Burnell just > for being themselves, and Lars for bringing them - and for enduring the > rigours of camping: sweet though the boys are I'm not sure I coud have > coped with them in the cottage first thing in the morning! Thanks to > Steve for putting up with my rusty canoeing skills with kindness and > patience. Thanks to Patrick for giving up his bed. Thanks to Natasha for > coping with a houseful (and I mean _full_) of weirdo nerds - you should > have seen her face when she found out that I too work with computers - > playing music she doesn't like at all hours of the day and night. But > most of all, thanks to Vic and Roger for having the idea and Vic for > bringing it to fruition. > > If there is a way on God's earth I can manage it I'll be there next > year, probably with spouse in tow. I urge you all to join us - > especially any other females on the list. Don't be nervous, these are > the good guys! > > LnH > > Marion > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu May 3, 2001 8:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] searching for a member thanks, frank... that's the email i'm getting no response on... hmmmmmm... --- Frank Arellano wrote: > Try this one > > glennr@f... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'j.gordon' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:34 AM > Subject: [tadream] searching for a member > > > > sorry about that last mail slip up... > > > > i'm having trouble getting hold of a list member, glenn reinicke... > > > > any ideas on where he might be? or if he's left the list? > > > > thanks in advance > > > > j.gordon > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Thu May 3, 2001 12:44 pm Subject: Jerome live on air Hi all, Jerome is Live Studio Guest at the Radio Eins ELEKTRO BEATS at the 9th of May 2001 from 11 pm to 00 am. Heiko from Burg/Germany My Auction is open till: 06th of May 2001 08 pm MESZ or 11am PDT (Pacific time) or 02 pm Eastern Time www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: tangent2000ca@y... Date: Tue May 1, 2001 4:39 pm Subject: Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Anyone interested in a posting of an old Edgar Froese trak? from '68......The Ones - lady Greengrass...featuring our beloved Edgar on lead guitar and vocals! I'll be watching to see what the responses are. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26859 Re: Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Robert Grabowsky Thu 5/3/2001 2 KB 26860 Re: Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Miguel Farah F. Thu 5/3/2001 2 KB 26868 Re: Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Matthew Stringer Fri 5/4/2001 2 KB From: tangent2000ca@y... Date: Tue May 1, 2001 4:34 pm Subject: Thief ST I have, what might be one of the goofiest questions ever........... Why was the CD version of the Thief ST released minus 1 trak that was on the vinyl version? It really ticked me off when I bought the CD, and noticed that 1 was missing! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26861 Re: Thief ST Matthew Sawyer Thu 5/3/2001 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Thu May 3, 2001 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) I would venture to guess that most of us on the list have this in one form or another. THE HIGHLANDER At 04:39 PM 5/1/01 -0000, you wrote: >Anyone interested in a posting of an old Edgar Froese trak? > from '68......The Ones - lady Greengrass...featuring our beloved >Edgar on lead guitar and vocals! I'll be watching to see what the >responses are. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26860 Re: Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Miguel Farah F. Thu 5/3/2001 2 KB 26868 Re: Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Matthew Stringer Fri 5/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Thu May 3, 2001 3:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Robert Grabowsky [03/05/2001 11:12] dijo/said: >I would venture to guess that most of us on the list have this in one form >or another. Not me... -- MIGUEL FARAH miguel@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26868 Re: Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Matthew Stringer Fri 5/4/2001 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Thu May 3, 2001 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Thief ST From: > I have, what might be one of the goofiest questions ever........... > > Why was the CD version of the Thief ST released minus 1 trak that > was on the vinyl version? > > It really ticked me off when I bought the CD, and noticed that 1 > was missing! Probably because the track (Confrontation) wasn't written by TD, but by Craig Safan. Maff ________________________________________ http://www.tachyon.ic24.net/ http://www.eclipsecafe.com/ From: 'winnie the pooh' Date: Thu May 3, 2001 9:10 pm Subject: Ebay sales/TD related Hey there all, just wanted to ask somewhat of a probably stupid question. I've seen posts repeatedly regarding TD material posted on Ebay for sale. I have mostly everything that has been posted on there (CDR copies honestly, having never been able to FIND the originals locally where I live), BUT I wanted to find out that ARE these originals (Thief, etc) that difficult to find originals? OR are there some things different about the copies being sold on Ebay compared to originals? I DO buy everything TD related I can find (originals) after I've listened to stuff, etc but I've seen a ton of stuff that's going on Ebay lately, and wasn't sure what the deal was? dan NP: Marillion - Anoraknaphobia (For the 9th or 400th time) Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com Crackasmile, TeslaGroup, TheTradingCircle, ChristianRockMusic, Found HERE! http://www.yahoogroups.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad), MSN Messenger

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26863 Re: Ebay sales/TD related Joel S. Mullen Fri 5/4/2001 4 KB From: 'Joel S. Mullen' Date: Fri May 4, 2001 5:10 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Ebay sales/TD related Dan- Some are copies, some are originals. People used to be up-front about it until E-bay banned CD-Rs now you don't get the truth. Watch for 'original CD recording' I guess that means CD-R now. I have alot of original CDs for sale if you are interested. Let me know and I will e-mail you a current list. Or let me know what you are looking for. Regards, Joel On Thursday, May 03, 2001 10:48 PM, winnie the pooh [SMTP:winniethepoohfan1@m...] wrote: > Hey there all, just wanted to ask somewhat of a probably stupid question. I've seen posts repeatedly regarding TD material posted on Ebay for sale. I have mostly everything that has been posted on there (CDR copies honestly, having never been able to FIND the originals locally where I live), BUT I wanted to find out that ARE these originals (Thief, etc) that difficult to find originals? OR are there some things different about the copies being sold on Ebay compared to originals? I DO buy everything TD related I can find (originals) after I've listened to stuff, etc but I've seen a ton of stuff that's going on Ebay lately, and wasn't sure what the deal was? > > dan > > NP: Marillion - Anoraknaphobia (For the 9th or 400th time) > > > Welcome to Kayleigh's Playhouse! > http://kayleighshomepage.musicpage.com > http://christianrockmusic.musicpage.com > Crackasmile, TeslaGroup, TheTradingCircle, ChristianRockMusic, > Found HERE! http://www.yahoogroups.com > AOL IM (kayleighsdad), MSN Messenger

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> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 4, 2001 8:47 am Subject: Shepherds Bush In TD's guestbook section a certain 'Rob' has posted the following: ' Just seen Classic Rock magazine in the UK which has a long article on 'prog-rock' including TD. In it, TD are quoted as saying that the first half of the Shepherds Bush concert will be stuff from 'the last 30 years', and the second half will be Dream Mixes III.' This may come as no surprise but maybe it's of interest to some of you :-) Heiko P.S: at what time exactly does our 'pre-show get-together' meeting at Harveys take place? (I'm a German so it's only naturally for me to ask, LOL) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26869 Re: Shepherds Bush Matthew Stringer Fri 5/4/2001 3 KB 26870 Re: Shepherds Bush glynn_naughton@h... Fri 5/4/2001 3 KB 26873 Re: Shepherds Bush Feldon Feldon Fri 5/4/2001 4 KB 26880 Re: Shepherds Bush Matthew Stringer Sun 5/6/2001 5 KB From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri May 4, 2001 8:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush > > Heiko > P.S: at what time exactly does our 'pre-show get-together' meeting at > Harveys take place? (I'm a German so it's only naturally for me to ask, > LOL) Calm down , they dont have sun loungers in our pubs , you can get there with the rest of us ;)) Paul From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 4, 2001 9:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush > Calm down , they dont have sun loungers in our pubs , you can get there with > the rest of us ;)) Hey, I'm one of those rare nice German tourists who doesn't steal towels or deck chairs! And I don't mind when I'm not the first person standing in the queue ;-) Ze Tourist From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri May 4, 2001 9:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] What I did on my holidays (Oke2001) *Snipped from the TD mailing list.... Dave Voci, this just cracked me up..... > Then it was back to the cottages for more > food, and a noble attempt to finish off the beer. Finally there is only > Hamms left - Tom has warned me off it, but I see that he's drinking it > so I risk it. Frank seems to find this incredibly funny and keeps saying > *A piece of advice to visiting Brits or Euros DO NOT drink Hamms or for that matter Pabst Blue Ribbon beer.... not a good idea. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri May 4, 2001 10:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Froese (pre-TD days) Ditto... On Thursday 03 May 2001 16:29, Miguel Farah F. wrote: > Robert Grabowsky [03/05/2001 11:12] dijo/said: > >I would venture to guess that most of us on the list have this in one form > >or another. > > Not me... From: Matthew Stringer Date: Fri May 4, 2001 10:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush So we all knock off after the first half then. It might be just me but everytime the Tangs play DM's the mood of the crowd seems to wane conciderably until the encores come on!!! Matt. On Friday 04 May 2001 09:47, you wrote: > In TD's guestbook section a certain 'Rob' has posted the following: > > ' Just seen Classic Rock magazine in the UK which has a long article on > 'prog-rock' including TD. In it, TD are quoted as saying that the first > half of the Shepherds Bush concert will be stuff from 'the last 30 > years', and the second half will be Dream Mixes III.' > > This may come as no surprise but maybe it's of interest to some of you > > :-) > > Heiko > P.S: at what time exactly does our 'pre-show get-together' meeting at > Harveys take place? (I'm a German so it's only naturally for me to ask, > LOL) > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary > Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26870 Re: Shepherds Bush glynn_naughton@h... Fri 5/4/2001 3 KB 26873 Re: Shepherds Bush Feldon Feldon Fri 5/4/2001 4 KB 26880 Re: Shepherds Bush Matthew Stringer Sun 5/6/2001 5 KB From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Fri May 4, 2001 10:52 am Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush --- In tadream@y..., Matthew Stringer wrote: > So we all knock off after the first half then. > > It might be just me but everytime the Tangs play DM's the mood of the crowd > seems to wane conciderably until the encores come on!!! > > Matt. > Actually, I think it's the other way around. That is, unless they play some of their more obscure stuff in the first half. I mean, do we really need more renditions of the likes of 'Betrayal' or 'Love on a Real Train'? These old chestnuts have been abslolutely flogged to death, if you'll forgive the mixed metaphor. TD should seriously consider drawing a line under this class of track and never playing it again in concert, realising it on a compilation or live album, or remixing it in some form. Then again, doesn't DM3 have a remix of the Maedchen on the Stairs from 1997? Let's get this straight - this is a remix of a remix of a remix of 'White Eagle'. Whoever said that TD were running out of ideas? Actually, I don't really care what they play (or rather, what comes out of the speakers while Edgar and Jerome make half-hearted attempts to wiggle their fingers over their keyboards). I'm going for the nostalgia, the atmosphere (if it's a tenth as charged as the legendary 1996 Shepherds Bush gig it will be well worth it), the chance to see good 'ole Edgar up on stage again, maybe for the last time...and of course the chance to meet some of the folks from tadream. Glynn From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 4, 2001 11:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush > It might be just me but everytime the Tangs play DM's the mood of the crowd > seems to wane conciderably until the encores come on!!! I must admit that TDJ Rome really 'rocked da house' with his DJ set last year at the Ground Liftaz label launch party in Berlin (if in doubt ask Conrad 'Travolta' Gibbons ;-) I'm not sure how many people on this list have heard or bought the Ground Liftaz vinyl set, but believe me the crowd will go ape when they listen to tracks like 'Stereolight' or 'Diamonds and dust', because most of the DM3 pieces are based on older tracks from the 70's or 80's (although I'm sure they will also play the remixes of 'Meng Tian' and 'Astrophobia', two tracks I could easily live without) I also must admit that I'm not very enthusiastic about what will be the 'Vintage set'. I really hope they'll play a new 60 minute version of Richochet Part 2 ~lol~ But most probably it will be a 'best of' selection of tracks we all know inside out. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26888 Shepherds Bush 2001 Gig Conrad Gibbons Mon 5/7/2001 4 KB From: wyslannik@y... Date: Fri May 4, 2001 12:06 pm Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush Concert Hi tadreamers ! --- In tadream@y..., 'Paul Fellows' wrote: > Hi all, > > Only a few days more to wait now.... > > Below is the latest list of people going. I am bringing some goodies with > me and some of the people on this list have already contacted me for > exchanges. Anyone else who is interested in exchanging stuff before or > after the concert please contact me off list as soon as possible and I will > send a list of what I'm offering. > > Brian Stewart & Steve (Scotland) . . . > Jakub (Polish, lives in UK) + 1 (my colleague) . . . > Steve Jenkins (UK) Short question: what time will we all meet in Harvey's ? Regards Jakub From: Feldon Feldon Date: Fri May 4, 2001 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush You'll want to be at least half-awake for Stereolight (Monolight), Diamonds and Dust, and any other classic TD they've remixed (only heard those 2). It's done tastefully. -Morgan At 11:33 AM 5/4/2001 +0100, you wrote: >So we all knock off after the first half then. > >It might be just me but everytime the Tangs play DM's the mood of the crowd >seems to wane conciderably until the encores come on!!! > >Matt. > > >On Friday 04 May 2001 09:47, you wrote: > > In TD's guestbook section a certain 'Rob' has posted the following: > > > > ' Just seen Classic Rock magazine in the UK which has a long article on > > 'prog-rock' including TD. In it, TD are quoted as saying that the first > > half of the Shepherds Bush concert will be stuff from 'the last 30 > > years', and the second half will be Dream Mixes III.' > > > > This may come as no surprise but maybe it's of interest to some of you > > > > :-) > > > > Heiko > > P.S: at what time exactly does our 'pre-show get-together' meeting at > > Harveys take place? (I'm a German so it's only naturally for me to ask, > > LOL) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary > > Ex-TD-member! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de >Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26880 Re: Shepherds Bush Matthew Stringer Sun 5/6/2001 5 KB From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat May 5, 2001 5:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush The worst crime you can commit in the UK is to jump the queue. Just watch the pensioners! If anyone does jump the queue, ask them if their mother taught them the alphabet.........yes.........so what's the 17th letter?......Q..........so why don't you? David ----- Original Message ----- From: Heiko Heerssen To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush > > > > > Calm down , they dont have sun loungers in our pubs , you can get there with > > the rest of us ;)) > > Hey, I'm one of those rare nice German tourists who doesn't steal towels or deck > chairs! And I don't mind when I'm not the first person standing in the queue ;-) > > Ze Tourist > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat May 5, 2001 11:18 am Subject: last change to bid Hi all, this is the last change to bid on my private auction (91 item`s) under: www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm auction closed: 06th of May 11am Pacific Daylight Time 06th of May 12am Mountain Daylight Time 06th of May 01pm Central Daylight Time 06th of May 02pm Eastern Daylight Time 07th of May 04am East Australian Standard Time 06th of May 07pm British Summer Time 06th of May 08pm Middle European Summer Time See you auctionmaster-heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat May 5, 2001 11:34 am Subject: last chance to bid!!! Hi all, this is the last change to bid on my private auction (91 item`s) under: www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm auction closed: 06th of May 11am Pacific Daylight Time 06th of May 12am Mountain Daylight Time 06th of May 01pm Central Daylight Time 06th of May 02pm Eastern Daylight Time 07th of May 04am East Australian Standard Time 06th of May 07pm British Summer Time 06th of May 08pm Middle European Summer Time See you auctionmaster-heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat May 5, 2001 5:36 pm Subject: Message order Just a random question about the list. Am I the only one who's receiving a bunch of list postings out of order? For example, I received Glynn Naughton's response to Matthew Stringer (regarding Shepherd's Bush) about 16 hours before I received Matthew's original post. This kind of thing has always happened to me sporadically with OneList/eGroups/Yahoo Groups, but it's been happening a lot in the last two days or so. Is it just me? --Daniel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26879 Re: Message order j.gordon Sun 5/6/2001 3 KB 26881 Re: Message order gyedid@p... Sun 5/6/2001 2 KB 26886 Re: Message order Matthew Stringer Mon 5/7/2001 4 KB 26882 Re: Message order quarlie@a... Sun 5/6/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sun May 6, 2001 11:43 am Subject: Auction closed of 06th of May Hi all, this is the really last chance to bid on my private auction (91 item`s) under: www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm auction closed in 6hour`s and 20 min. 06th of May 11am Pacific Daylight Time 06th of May 12am Mountain Daylight Time 06th of May 01pm Central Daylight Time 06th of May 02pm Eastern Daylight Time 07th of May 04am East Australian Standard Time 06th of May 07pm British Summer Time 06th of May 08pm Middle European Summer Time See you auctionmaster-heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'j.gordon' Date: Sun May 6, 2001 11:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Message order no it's me too... i received an answer to my post 2 or 3 days before i actually saw my original post... j.gordon --- quarlie@a... wrote: > Just a random question about the list. Am I the only one who's receiving a > bunch of list postings out of order? For example, I received Glynn Naughton's > > response to Matthew Stringer (regarding Shepherd's Bush) about 16 hours > before I received Matthew's original post. > > This kind of thing has always happened to me sporadically with > OneList/eGroups/Yahoo Groups, but it's been happening a lot in the last two > days or so. Is it just me? > --Daniel > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26881 Re: Message order gyedid@p... Sun 5/6/2001 2 KB 26886 Re: Message order Matthew Stringer Mon 5/7/2001 4 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Sun May 6, 2001 2:09 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Shepherds Bush I'm sure it'll be great!!! Can't wait! -----Original Message----- From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] Sent: 04 May 2001 15:56 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush You'll want to be at least half-awake for Stereolight (Monolight), Diamonds and Dust, and any other classic TD they've remixed (only heard those 2). It's done tastefully. -Morgan At 11:33 AM 5/4/2001 +0100, you wrote: >So we all knock off after the first half then. > >It might be just me but everytime the Tangs play DM's the mood of the crowd >seems to wane conciderably until the encores come on!!! > >Matt. > > >On Friday 04 May 2001 09:47, you wrote: > > In TD's guestbook section a certain 'Rob' has posted the following: > > > > ' Just seen Classic Rock magazine in the UK which has a long article on > > 'prog-rock' including TD. In it, TD are quoted as saying that the first > > half of the Shepherds Bush concert will be stuff from 'the last 30 > > years', and the second half will be Dream Mixes III.' > > > > This may come as no surprise but maybe it's of interest to some of you > > > > :-) > > > > Heiko > > P.S: at what time exactly does our 'pre-show get-together' meeting at > > Harveys take place? (I'm a German so it's only naturally for me to ask, > > LOL) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > > Details at http://www.tadream.net > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary > > Ex-TD-member! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de >Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: gyedid@p... Date: Sun May 6, 2001 9:38 pm Subject: Re: Message order And I saw J. Gordon's reply before I saw Dan's original message about the order ;) Gabe From: quarlie@a... Date: Sun May 6, 2001 10:52 pm Subject: Re: Message order In a message dated 5/6/01 5:52:27 PM, gyedid@p... writes: >And I saw J. Gordon's reply before I saw Dan's original message about >the order ;) Believe it or not, I haven't received J.'s reply yet. What's going on?! ;) --Daniel From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon May 7, 2001 3:30 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales - review (Caution: LONG!) The best things in life are free, so this set should be good as it was received virtually for free; And good it is, in fact I like it a lot. I received my copy well over six weeks ago (thanks Timo) and after some trial and error, and some help (thanks Tom), I managed to get the fine artwork in order. I guess the least one can do in appreciation is to give some sort of feedback and this is an attempt at that. In line with current fashion on the list, a bit lengthy I'm afraid, so if you don't like to read it, delete or scroll from here to eternity. First of all I'm amazed by the obvious abundance of talented musicians in this group of TD-fans. But as there are several names I don't even recognize, I guess there are many on the list (probably even a majority) who don't participate in the discussions. For obvious reasons it is very difficult to write a thorough and honest review in a forum like this and for any future project of the same kind I would suggest including email-addresses to the musicians. Direct feedback can be, well.. more direct. Ok, Dreamwatchers' Tales. I first heard it late at a Friday night, home from a party, in good spirit, under the influence of some spirits. Rest of the family off to bed, relaxing with a good dose of Lagavullin, headphones on, volume up. Well in short – The mood was right and I was certainly very receptive. Doubtless a favourable moment for this album to be listened to and that's not just space-filler Info. I've come to realize that it is with music as with people; It takes awfully long to wipe out the first impression. It is very rare that I go from liking a disc to later on change my mind about it. Certainly that must have happened but I cannot remember any specific disc. Similarly it is very rare that I start out disliking music to later love it; Can only remember two notable exceptions; Tangram, which became my favorite even though I didn't understand it at all to begin with, and Zappa in New York – side 4, took a while to understand but it was certainly worth trying. My way of doing this is to mention a favorite on each cd and also a bunch of runners-up. More could, maybe should, certainly be mentioned but this seems like a fairly just way of doing it. No one will ever know if there are any tracks that I don't like. Cd1 Best: Track 8 – Free System Project-Faraday. With my preference in music this is the obvious choice. It isn't because of originality, as the influence is obvious. But, as a music publisher once told me: 'It isn't wrong to be influenced by another musician or group; what matters is what you do with that influence'. Very wise, very true. This track is a beauty. Runners-up: Track 7- Jeff Bergman: An intense and intimate journey into your mind Certainly the strongest contender for the 'Best spot'. It's a very strong track with powerful cords & rich sound, rhythmic with a distinct thread around which the melody is built. I enjoy the pace; Too sad that we don't get the entire track. I would have liked to hear it all and could have sacrificed the prologue to make room for it. Track 2 – Nightbirds: Morning Weather. This track got me right into good mood. Good piece of electronic music. Nice structure, atmospheric sound, very relaxing. Track 6 – Darklion: Desert Line Very different from track 2 but really a nice piece of Techno music. Catchy track that appeals to another side of me and is enjoyable especially at high volume. Must say I'm a bit lost by the ending though. Note of interest: Track 4 – Olivier Briand: Transparences Had me thinking about Ashra for a while, especially in the latter part with that guitar swirling around. Interesting track. CD 2: Best: Track 8, Brian Frick – Sequential 97: A very appealing track that reminds me of a Blenner in his better moments. Good use of sequencers yet a clear focus on the melody line. Well composed with an idea that is pursued throughout the track. Melody is an important factor, all too often forgotten in electronic music. Runners up: Track 2 – Ionic – From gulf to gulf Attractive ambient music that works just fine. Track 3 – Olyam – Moon ritual. No mention of any Vangelis- influence in the cover text. That's namely the resemblance that springs to mind when I hear this. Very atmospheric, spiritual and beautiful. The classical schooling is obvious. Interesting piece. I'll have to get one of his albums. Track 10 – Darklion & Olyam - Bubble Bells Bubbly enough. Atmospheric and attractive. Steady pace, rich sound. These guys did good each on their own and it works fine together as well. Track 11 – Richard Ford – Another Day. Very fine ending to it all. Note of interest: Track 9 – Satsuma Nightmare Very influenced by TD as stated in the cover text. A funny thing is that this is one out of only two tracks on this compilation that clearly makes me think about TD (the other one being my favorite on CD 1). I don't know if it is because I listen to so many different EM-artists today that I'm forgetting who set the standard. Well, doesn't matter much but.. oh yes there are also one or two tracks that remind me of Schulze. To sum it all up I'm happy that I signed up for this. It's been a pleasure listening to this compilation and I know I will keep playing it. Thanks to Joe for the brilliant idea and also to everybody involved in the production; Thanks to all the musicians for sharing your work with us. I wish everybody good luck with Your music and certainly wouldn't mind a sequel. /Olle (--As this was written late, yesterday evening, please bear with spelling/grammatical errors--) Np: TD-Nottingham 76 (mmmmmmmmmmm!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26884 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - review (Caution: LONG j.gordon Mon 5/7/2001 8 KB 26885 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - review (Caution: LONG Richard F Mon 5/7/2001 10 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon May 7, 2001 3:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales - review (Caution: LONG!) as one of the artists on this CD comp., i want to say thanks, olle, for taking the time and effort to review the CD and give your feedback... i like the idea of including the emails for direct feedback... you comments we very relaxed, positive and great to hear, for all the bands... thanks again j.gordon --- olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > The best things in life are free, so this set should be good as it was > received virtually for free; And good it is, in fact I like it a lot. I > received my copy well over six weeks ago (thanks Timo) and after some trial > and error, and some help (thanks Tom), I managed to get the fine artwork in > order. > > I guess the least one can do in appreciation is to give some sort of > feedback and this is an attempt at that. In line with current fashion on the > list, a bit lengthy I'm afraid, so if you don't like to read it, delete or > scroll from here to eternity. > > First of all I'm amazed by the obvious abundance of talented musicians in > this group of TD-fans. But as there are several names I don't even > recognize, I guess there are many on the list (probably even a majority) who > don't participate in the discussions. > > For obvious reasons it is very difficult to write a thorough and honest > review in a forum like this and for any future project of the same kind I > would suggest including email-addresses to the musicians. Direct feedback > can be, well.. more direct. > > Ok, Dreamwatchers' Tales. I first heard it late at a Friday night, home from > a party, in good spirit, under the influence of some spirits. Rest of the > family off to bed, relaxing with a good dose of Lagavullin, headphones on, > volume up. Well in short – The mood was right and I was certainly very > receptive. Doubtless a favourable moment for this album to be listened to > and that's not just space-filler Info. > I've come to realize that it is with music as with people; It takes awfully > long to wipe out the first impression. It is very rare that I go from liking > a disc to later on change my mind about it. Certainly that must have > happened but I cannot remember any specific disc. Similarly it is very rare > that I start out disliking music to later love it; Can only remember two > notable exceptions; Tangram, which became my favorite even though I didn't > understand it at all to begin with, and Zappa in New York – side 4, took a > while to understand but it was certainly worth trying. > > My way of doing this is to mention a favorite on each cd and also a bunch of > runners-up. More could, maybe should, certainly be mentioned but this seems > like a fairly just way of doing it. No one will ever know if there are any > tracks that I don't like. > > Cd1 > > Best: > Track 8 – Free System Project-Faraday. > With my preference in music this is the obvious choice. It isn't because > of originality, as the influence is obvious. But, as a music publisher once > told me: > 'It isn't wrong to be influenced by another musician or group; what matters > is what you do with that influence'. Very wise, very true. This track is a > beauty. > > Runners-up: > Track 7- Jeff Bergman: An intense and intimate journey into your mind > Certainly the strongest contender for the 'Best spot'. It's a very strong > track with powerful cords & rich sound, rhythmic with a distinct thread > around which the melody is built. I enjoy the pace; Too sad that we don't > get the entire track. I would have liked to hear it all and could have > sacrificed the prologue to make room for it. > > Track 2 – Nightbirds: Morning Weather. > This track got me right into good mood. Good piece of electronic music. Nice > structure, atmospheric sound, very relaxing. > > Track 6 – Darklion: Desert Line > Very different from track 2 but really a nice piece of Techno music. Catchy > track that appeals to another side of me and is enjoyable especially at high > volume. Must say I'm a bit lost by the ending though. > > Note of interest: > Track 4 – Olivier Briand: Transparences > Had me thinking about Ashra for a while, especially in the latter part with > that guitar swirling around. Interesting track. > > CD 2: > > Best: > Track 8, Brian Frick – Sequential 97: A very appealing track that reminds me > of a Blenner in his better moments. Good use of sequencers yet a clear focus > on the melody line. Well composed with an idea that is pursued throughout > the track. > Melody is an important factor, all too often forgotten in electronic music. > > Runners up: > Track 2 – Ionic – From gulf to gulf > Attractive ambient music that works just fine. > > Track 3 – Olyam – Moon ritual. > No mention of any Vangelis- influence in the cover text. That's namely the > resemblance that springs to mind when I hear this. Very atmospheric, > spiritual and beautiful. The classical schooling is obvious. Interesting > piece. I'll have to get one of his albums. > > Track 10 – Darklion & Olyam - Bubble Bells > Bubbly enough. Atmospheric and attractive. Steady pace, rich sound. These > guys did good each on their own and it works fine together as well. > > Track 11 – Richard Ford – Another Day. Very fine ending to it all. > > Note of interest: > Track 9 – Satsuma Nightmare > Very influenced by TD as stated in the cover text. A funny thing is that > this is one out of only two tracks on this compilation that clearly makes me > think about TD (the other one being my favorite on CD 1). I don't know if it > is because I listen to so many different EM-artists today that I'm > forgetting who set the standard. Well, doesn't matter much but.. oh yes > there are also one or two tracks that remind me of Schulze. > > > To sum it all up I'm happy that I signed up for this. It's been a pleasure > listening to this compilation and I know I will keep playing it. Thanks to > Joe for the brilliant idea and also to everybody involved in the production; > Thanks to all the musicians for sharing your work with us. I wish everybody > good luck with Your music and certainly wouldn't mind a sequel. > > /Olle > > (--As this was written late, yesterday evening, please bear with > spelling/grammatical errors--) > > Np: TD-Nottingham 76 (mmmmmmmmmmm!) > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26885 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales - review (Caution: LONG Richard F Mon 5/7/2001 10 KB From: Richard F Date: Mon May 7, 2001 3:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales - review (Caution: LONG!) I see you beat me to it. I too would like to thank him for taking the time to review it. Now, when am I going to get my copy.... >as one of the artists on this CD comp., i want to say thanks, olle, for taking >the time and effort to review the CD and give your feedback... > >i like the idea of including the emails for direct feedback... > >you comments we very relaxed, positive and great to hear, for all the bands... > >thanks again > >j.gordon > > > >--- olle.rundgren@s... wrote: >> The best things in life are free, so this set should be good as it was >> received virtually for free; And good it is, in fact I like it a lot. I >> received my copy well over six weeks ago (thanks Timo) and after some trial >> and error, and some help (thanks Tom), I managed to get the fine artwork in >> order. >> >> I guess the least one can do in appreciation is to give some sort of >> feedback and this is an attempt at that. In line with current fashion on the >> list, a bit lengthy I'm afraid, so if you don't like to read it, delete or >> scroll from here to eternity. >> >> First of all I'm amazed by the obvious abundance of talented musicians in >> this group of TD-fans. But as there are several names I don't even >> recognize, I guess there are many on the list (probably even a majority) who >> don't participate in the discussions. >> >> For obvious reasons it is very difficult to write a thorough and honest >> review in a forum like this and for any future project of the same kind I >> would suggest including email-addresses to the musicians. Direct feedback >> can be, well.. more direct. >> >> Ok, Dreamwatchers' Tales. I first heard it late at a Friday night, home from >> a party, in good spirit, under the influence of some spirits. Rest of the >> family off to bed, relaxing with a good dose of Lagavullin, headphones on, >> volume up. Well in short – The mood was right and I was certainly very >> receptive. Doubtless a favourable moment for this album to be listened to >> and that's not just space-filler Info. >> I've come to realize that it is with music as with people; It takes awfully >> long to wipe out the first impression. It is very rare that I go from liking >> a disc to later on change my mind about it. Certainly that must have >> happened but I cannot remember any specific disc. Similarly it is very rare >> that I start out disliking music to later love it; Can only remember two >> notable exceptions; Tangram, which became my favorite even though I didn't >> understand it at all to begin with, and Zappa in New York – side 4, took a >> while to understand but it was certainly worth trying. >> >> My way of doing this is to mention a favorite on each cd and also a bunch of >> runners-up. More could, maybe should, certainly be mentioned but this seems >> like a fairly just way of doing it. No one will ever know if there are any >> tracks that I don't like. >> >> Cd1 >> >> Best: >> Track 8 – Free System Project-Faraday. >> With my preference in music this is the obvious choice. It isn't because >> of originality, as the influence is obvious. But, as a music publisher once >> told me: >> 'It isn't wrong to be influenced by another musician or group; what matters >> is what you do with that influence'. Very wise, very true. This track is a >> beauty. >> >> Runners-up: >> Track 7- Jeff Bergman: An intense and intimate journey into your mind >> Certainly the strongest contender for the 'Best spot'. It's a very strong >> track with powerful cords & rich sound, rhythmic with a distinct thread >> around which the melody is built. I enjoy the pace; Too sad that we don't >> get the entire track. I would have liked to hear it all and could have >> sacrificed the prologue to make room for it. >> >> Track 2 – Nightbirds: Morning Weather. >> This track got me right into good mood. Good piece of electronic music. Nice >> structure, atmospheric sound, very relaxing. >> >> Track 6 – Darklion: Desert Line >> Very different from track 2 but really a nice piece of Techno music. Catchy >> track that appeals to another side of me and is enjoyable especially at high >> volume. Must say I'm a bit lost by the ending though. >> >> Note of interest: >> Track 4 – Olivier Briand: Transparences >> Had me thinking about Ashra for a while, especially in the latter part with >> that guitar swirling around. Interesting track. >> >> CD 2: >> >> Best: >> Track 8, Brian Frick – Sequential 97: A very appealing track that reminds me >> of a Blenner in his better moments. Good use of sequencers yet a clear focus >> on the melody line. Well composed with an idea that is pursued throughout >> the track. >> Melody is an important factor, all too often forgotten in electronic music. >> >> Runners up: >> Track 2 – Ionic – From gulf to gulf >> Attractive ambient music that works just fine. >> >> Track 3 – Olyam – Moon ritual. >> No mention of any Vangelis- influence in the cover text. That's namely the >> resemblance that springs to mind when I hear this. Very atmospheric, >> spiritual and beautiful. The classical schooling is obvious. Interesting >> piece. I'll have to get one of his albums. >> >> Track 10 – Darklion & Olyam - Bubble Bells >> Bubbly enough. Atmospheric and attractive. Steady pace, rich sound. These >> guys did good each on their own and it works fine together as well. >> >> Track 11 – Richard Ford – Another Day. Very fine ending to it all. >> >> Note of interest: >> Track 9 – Satsuma Nightmare >> Very influenced by TD as stated in the cover text. A funny thing is that >> this is one out of only two tracks on this compilation that clearly makes me >> think about TD (the other one being my favorite on CD 1). I don't know if it >> is because I listen to so many different EM-artists today that I'm >> forgetting who set the standard. Well, doesn't matter much but.. oh yes >> there are also one or two tracks that remind me of Schulze. >> >> >> To sum it all up I'm happy that I signed up for this. It's been a pleasure >> listening to this compilation and I know I will keep playing it. Thanks to >> Joe for the brilliant idea and also to everybody involved in the production; >> Thanks to all the musicians for sharing your work with us. I wish everybody >> good luck with Your music and certainly wouldn't mind a sequel. >> >> /Olle >> >> (--As this was written late, yesterday evening, please bear with >> spelling/grammatical errors--) >> >> Np: TD-Nottingham 76 (mmmmmmmmmmm!) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------~-~ >> Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >> Details at http://www.tadream.net >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de >> Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> ----------------------------------------------------_- >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de >Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Richard F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Mon May 7, 2001 5:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Message order I haven't had any mail from Tadream for about a week, seems okay now though. Matt -----Original Message----- From: j.gordon [mailto:ssaalyersjj@y...] Sent: 06 May 2001 12:49 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Message order no it's me too... i received an answer to my post 2 or 3 days before i actually saw my original post... j.gordon --- quarlie@a... wrote: > Just a random question about the list. Am I the only one who's receiving a > bunch of list postings out of order? For example, I received Glynn Naughton's > > response to Matthew Stringer (regarding Shepherd's Bush) about 16 hours > before I received Matthew's original post. > > This kind of thing has always happened to me sporadically with > OneList/eGroups/Yahoo Groups, but it's been happening a lot in the last two > days or so. Is it just me? > --Daniel > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Mon May 7, 2001 8:50 pm Subject: Review: Dreamwatchers Tale -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Pheu! I didn't know there was so much work in doing a review, but I'm all sweaty after doing up my mind about all the tracks on DT. First a disclaimer: The opinions herein is my alone. I'm not a musician, have no clue about music instruments or how to operate them. But I do know what I like and not, and I do hear the difference between a pure and a disonnant tone. Ok, over to the verdict. I have choosen to voice my opinion on all tracks, and not only those I like. I haven't made the coverart, so I honestly don't know who has made what on the discs at the time of review. Oh, and any deaththreats or loveletters will go unanswered until friday :-) CD1: When I first heard this disc, I was a bit disappointed. Because quite frankly I thought the whole disc was shit. But I did what I usually does in such circumstances. Listened to it a few times and then stowed it away. After some weeks I listened to it again, et voila: its content have grown on me. It's shit no more :-) My favorite on this disc is without doubt track 8. Track 1: Strange, like som bits taken from here and there and glued together. Don't know how else to describe this. I didn't like it at all when I first heard it, but after having listened to it many times I like it better. Track 2: Sounds sort of like an industrial hall during work hours. That was my first impression. But then it evolves into something more music-like. And very nice it is too. Jepp, I like this one. Track 3: Now, where have I heard something like this before? I want to dance. It is sort of like two stratas in this piece, the main strata with the rhytm, and a more subtle second strata where the mystery is. I like this one too. Track 4: Very athmospheric with a gitar on top. Great track. Then about halfway it changes. More speed, and the atmosphere is excanged with a rythm. All in all, very good. Track 5: Starts slowly, then boom boom boom! A monolog, then sort of waiting for something spectacular to happen. Except it does not. Instead it builds up on its own. Sort of a cross between ambience and trance. Just wondering, was this taped during a consert, or is the audiencesound added? Then the track is rounded off with the same monolog it started with. I like it. Track 6: Wish I had some really big speakers for this track, lovely bass. When the melodyline comes in I first think of Need for Speed :-) I'm quite certain I have heard something like this before, but who cares, good things can't be heard too often. This piece have however some, for me at least, annoying clicking sounds. I wish they weren't there at all. But it is not enough to detract me from this piece of really, really good music. Track 7: What's this? It's a break in the trend the previos tracks have built. So it's sort of a system shock. But after the initial detraction it steadies to a solid track with lots of sound in it. Maybe too much drums etc in it. Then comes a section where TD is instantly recognised. But I don't like that stunt with sliding the sound up and down. Not at all. Then more of the first. Ok, not my favorite, but parts of it is very nice to listen to. Track 8: Aye, this is more like it! Just what I like. A slow, real melodyline with backing. It's simply beautifull! I want to cry. Track 9: Hey, a xylophone! Great music! The backing on it self would have made a good track as well. Track 10: A piano solo. The melody is fine, have I heard it before? A good track, but maybee a bit on the boring side for my taste. Track 11: I have most certainly heard this before, where is it from? Vangelis? Anyway, it's mostly to my liking. It must be Vangelis! Good Music. Track 12: I must admit when I first heard this track, I didn't like it at all. I like it better now, but it's still not my favorite. CD 2: With this disc it was love at first sig- ahem - hearing. It can be played on repeat for hours on end. Probably because it's more homogeneous. Difficult to choose a favorite too, but I will land on track 10. Track 1: A slow meandering piece with that Vangelis-sound. You know what I mean :-) Hmmm, I wonder, is the whole track based on Vangelis? There is some unmistaken segments at least, which I would say is pure Vangelis. Not that I care, I like Vangelis. Therefore I like this track. Pure logic:-) Track 2: Hmmm, I like low tones. Why do I like this track? After all, it is only some droning lines repeated over and over. But I do like it very much. Track 3: Good dammit!, is it more Vangelis? or is my brain fried? Anyhow, I like this too. Even have some nice woman-like OOHHH sounds in it. This track is very suggestive, almost hypnothic. Tremendously Good! Track 4: This track reminds me of Biosphere. Don't know if will call it ambience though. But who am I to say? Like the previous track it is very good to listen to, maybe a touch too long. And those birdsounds at the end had me fooled for a long time :-) Track 5: Don't really know what to make of this track. The guitar is nice. I feel that some of the samples for the other voices is sub-par though. But maybe someone like it that way. Good melody. Track 6: Hmmm, more of what I like. Is it because it sounds sort of like simple. Or because it's so complex, with new nuances to discover every time I listen to it. Could be because my brain is warped too. Wish I could make music like this. Track 7: This track starts disturbingly, with some strange sounds. Sort of a bit hard on the ears. Then it goes more musiclike, with a rather slow rythmic pulse with what to my ears sounds like free improvisation on top. It's not bad. But could maybe have been better with a steady goal in the melodyline. The second half of the track is rather different. More spaced out. The better part in my opinion. Track 8: This is more classic TD, except for the rapidity in the changes of the themes. And a good whoomping bassline. A good one. Track 9: Where have I heard this start before? It's something TD, right? Very mysterious in the beginning, then a more straightforward approch. Maybe a bit tiresome some places where I feel there is too much at once, esp. with those string sounds. Track 10: Ouch, bad weather is approching. No, it went away. Instead a very exciting conglomerate of melody and sounds. Lots of things to discover here. Where do that very catching short melodyline come from? Folkmusic? Track 11: A bit excotic with those slides. Good melody and a good beat. And those bells sounds good. Where do that bell melody come from? Best Regards Geir -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQEVAwUBOvcKoiIZEgCohZg6AQH9UAf+IQ54bfPruRlyEtFaDoQwQ+jKiARMuceo rUWdYiBB5JgJjWfPsuy53CTNvTD0UeiDaFbPeOgY9AyRZkhgkabIZzwL9uaP/bl1 +1iuZAexsXp3xMtF3OyUMFtu4xsROZKRGC8cUjnakx30MglgvW1S8MDWlCdbZIeE Sa1Aeh7/cQWAptE/c8YGi10No/FCFWwXZYnPzYV55sRAF6+aJKxMEuS6ECaGV3hF 7la2rzbimPRrFSMW8Xit/YX1G4AftWmNv9Y/FZ35F+Zk3GNT0u6+nuWnEg3HoTVp qhCRsAUsfWqfTmxAVMkTOwIGcJAXMzX0VqKDvY1kUJecpsbshiZTGQ== =ijEL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26891 Re: Review: Dreamwatchers Tale Matthew Stringer Tue 5/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Mon May 7, 2001 9:29 pm Subject: Shepherds Bush 2001 Gig Hi, Travolta here!!!! ;-) Looking forward to meeting you all at the weekend!!! I think it will be a great gig!!! As Heiko said I thoroughly enjoyed the Berlin bash last October (I couldn't help but get into the great grooves) and it was just a taster for next Saturday night!!! (I HOPE). Nice to post a message here again - I don't have much spare time these days to read the list as I bought a house and am studying for an MA in Interactive Multimedia these days (both compete religiously for my time!). OK, take care, Conrad PS Anyone see Olivia Newton John in here somewhere -----Original Message----- From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] Sent: 2001 m. geguŝës 4 d. 12:19 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush > It might be just me but everytime the Tangs play DM's the mood of the crowd > seems to wane conciderably until the encores come on!!! I must admit that TDJ Rome really 'rocked da house' with his DJ set last year at the Ground Liftaz label launch party in Berlin (if in doubt ask Conrad 'Travolta' Gibbons ;-) I'm not sure how many people on this list have heard or bought the Ground Liftaz vinyl set, but believe me the crowd will go ape when they listen to tracks like 'Stereolight' or 'Diamonds and dust', because most of the DM3 pieces are based on older tracks from the 70's or 80's (although I'm sure they will also play the remixes of 'Meng Tian' and 'Astrophobia', two tracks I could easily live without) I also must admit that I'm not very enthusiastic about what will be the 'Vintage set'. I really hope they'll play a new 60 minute version of Richochet Part 2 ~lol~ But most probably it will be a 'best of' selection of tracks we all know inside out. Heiko ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Mon May 7, 2001 9:48 pm Subject: RE: old TD concerts and lightshows Wow! I loaded 8 concerts from TD's 75 tour into WinAmp last night. I think I'm starting to understand why so many people love these shows, they are each different, improvised. What made the experience even better was I started to play with WinAmp's music visualization tool, way better than the Rubycon and Phaedra graphic videos. A little Super O Scope with rainbow colors, blur, white spot, water drops and I'm a lightshow guru (IMO). Is the old track on Oranges from France really from 75, its the first time I've heard a Phaedra like concert track? Where is this track from? To those who have helped me get these concert tapes, thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Mon May 7, 2001 11:08 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Review: Dreamwatchers Tale Geir Smedsrud >The opinions herein is my alone. I'm not a musician, have no > clue about music instruments or how to operate them. That should make you more inclined to enjoy and appreciate the actual music and the art in it, rather than technicalities. I have not met one single musician who doesnt say 'I can do that' after having heard a piece of music, especially electronic music - but they owe me an answer when I ask 'but who dont you?' (The answer is, they are not creative enough even if they know the technicalities) Best whishes, Glenn Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26892 SV: [tadream] Review: Dreamwatchers Tale Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Medi Tue 5/8/2001 3 KB 26893 Re: Review: Dreamwatchers Tale Marcel Engels Tue 5/8/2001 3 KB 26894 SV: [tadream] Review: Dreamwatchers Tale Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Medi Tue 5/8/2001 2 KB From: Matthew Stringer Date: Tue May 8, 2001 8:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Review: Dreamwatchers Tale > Track 1: > A slow meandering piece with that Vangelis-sound. You know what I mean > > :-) Hmmm, I wonder, is the whole track based on Vangelis? There is some > > unmistaken segments at least, which I would say is pure Vangelis. Not > that I care, I like Vangelis. Therefore I like this track. Pure logic:-) > Pure logic eh? The whole track was a live improvisation, the only thing that was sequenced was the drums. The 'sequence' was done using an arpeggiator. Anyway thanks for the review. Matt. From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 4:04 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Review: Dreamwatchers Tale I wrote: > That should make you more inclined to enjoy and appreciate the actual music > and the art in it, rather than technicalities. I have not met one single > musician who doesnt say 'I can do that' after having heard a piece of music, > especially electronic music - but they owe me an answer when I ask 'but who > dont you?' That should of course be 'why dont you?'..... Best whishes, Glenn Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 5:20 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Review: Dreamwatchers Tale > From: Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media] [mailto:glenn@f...] > > That should make you more inclined to enjoy and appreciate the > actual music > and the art in it, rather than technicalities. I have not met one single > musician who doesnt say 'I can do that' after having heard a > piece of music, > especially electronic music - but they owe me an answer when I > ask 'but who > dont you?' Hmm people who say: I can do that...I think to myself: well why don't you do it then? It's not a question whether someone could also do that, but it is more a question of coming up with those ideas. I mean someone who plays classical music can also play bach or mozart but it is the maker/musician/inventor who thought of the idea and actually came up with it...thats what counts imo. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 3:15 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Review: Dreamwatchers Tale Marcel Engels > Hmm people who say: I can do that...I think to myself: well why > don't you do it then? > It's not a question whether someone could also do that, but it > is more a question of coming up with those ideas. Exactly my point. Best whishes, Glenn Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com From: Tom Richmond Date: Tue May 8, 2001 4:08 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree Hello everyone: Glad to see some reviews of DT showing up on the list. Sorry to hear there are still people waiting for copies... Anyone who still doesn't have their copy or didn't sign up but would like one, feel free to contact me directly to make arrangements to get one. Also feel free to contact anyone you know who has one and ask if they can copy it for you. Apparently some branches of the tree have been less than stellar in fulfilling their responsibilities. This has been noted for future reference. This is the last time I'm posting to the list regarding the subject, so I'd like to make a few comments: A tree is supposed to be a very efficient way to distribute these kind of things, presuming that all who volunteer to do copies for others do so in a timely manner. Some branches were completed in as little as a couple weeks. My thanks to those who handled things efficiently. All participants (leaves and branches) have the responsibility to communicate with those they are connected to in the tree. In those places where the tree was delayed or broke down entirely, this communication isn't/wasn't taking place. I know people have lives outside of these mailing lists - at least I hope they do. ;-) So, in the future, if you don't have the time to be a branch, please don't volunteer to be one. I had plenty of branch volunteers that ended up as leaves just because I didn't need them all. I didn't have any reason to prefer one person to another, except for location. Now I have a bit more info as to who can be relied upon for next time. My apologies to those still waiting. Please contact me directly if you're still in need of a copy, or if you're new to the list and are interested in getting one. Thanks for listening. All further discussion of the DT distribution will be off-list. I don't want to waste any more bandwidth on it. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26904 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree Feldon Feldon Tue 5/8/2001 2 KB 26908 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales tree Richard F Wed 5/9/2001 5 KB 27003 Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 5 KB 27004 Re: Test Stream. Richard F Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27006 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27007 Re: Test Stream. Richard F Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27009 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27008 Re: Test Stream. Duncan McKee Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27041 Re: Test Stream. Feldon Feldon Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 4:24 pm Subject: Shepherds bush. Gary(HyperboreaUK). See you in the pub.Mines a quadruple Glenfiddich. He he he only joking. Cheers. Astro. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26924 Shepherds bush. Colin Jouxson Thu 5/10/2001 2 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 4:33 pm Subject: Shepherds bush Gary(hyperboreaUK)See you in the pub. Mines a quadruple Glenfiddich. He he he only joking. Cheers. Astro. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26898 Re: Shepherds bush Gary Jenkins Tue 5/8/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 5:53 pm Subject: Re: Shepherds bush --- In tadream@y..., 'Colin Jouxson' wrote: Hi Colin I think you have already had a few unless it's me seeing double LOL. Cheers Gary Np.Poland to get me in the mood. > Gary(hyperboreaUK)See you in the pub. Mines a quadruple Glenfiddich. > He he he only joking. Cheers. Astro. From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 6:48 pm Subject: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? What time does everyone want to gather at Harveys'? I suggest from about 4.30pm onwards, give everyone plenty of time. After all, I suspect some of us will want to be at the doors when they open at 6.30pm so they can make sure they can get hold of any limited editions that might be on sale but might disappear by the interval. By the way, I'm writing from my Polish e-mail address because I still have trouble sending messages to tadream on my UK address - they're not appearing (michael.hartopp@t... - Joe, any suggestions?) But I have no problem receiving them, the digests are coming through fine. But as I'm on the (painfully) slow Open system of e-mail in the UK - that is, opening it through a TV satellite receiver - can some of you pleeeeaaassseee edit your messages - i.e, the endless repetition of messages that occur when you reply. It takes ages just to go through the digest! Anyway, moan over, I look forward to seeing a lot of you on the day itself - and Geir, at the B&B on Saturday morning, traffic permitting. And, finally, 'Atlantic Walls' seems to be getting increasingly difficult to get hold of - have TDI deleted it? I couldn't get it in Poland, the shops in Leicester have very little TD - and Midas Records and Compact Disc Services don't have it in stock. So, Paul, I may have to gamble and hope some of the stores in London have it... Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26900 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's Conrad Gibbons Tue 5/8/2001 4 KB 26902 Re: Atlantic Walls -> Roger Lasse Gustafsson Tue 5/8/2001 3 KB 26905 Re: Atlantic Walls -> Roger Michael A Jean Wed 5/9/2001 4 KB 26906 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's Heiko Heerssen Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB 26909 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's Brian Stewart Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB 26912 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's glynn_naughton@h... Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB 26913 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's lawlermusic Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB 26918 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's horrod6 Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB 26919 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's Gary Jenkins Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 8:35 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? 4.30 sounds like a good plan!!! Should we wear name tags??? We might look a bit silly but at least we would all know everyone is!!!!!! ;-) Conrad Gibbons (Ireland) -----Original Message----- From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...] Sent: 2001 m. geguŝës 8 d. 19:49 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? What time does everyone want to gather at Harveys'? I suggest from about 4.30pm onwards, give everyone plenty of time. After all, I suspect some of us will want to be at the doors when they open at 6.30pm so they can make sure they can get hold of any limited editions that might be on sale but might disappear by the interval. By the way, I'm writing from my Polish e-mail address because I still have trouble sending messages to tadream on my UK address - they're not appearing (michael.hartopp@t... - Joe, any suggestions?) But I have no problem receiving them, the digests are coming through fine. But as I'm on the (painfully) slow Open system of e-mail in the UK - that is, opening it through a TV satellite receiver - can some of you pleeeeaaassseee edit your messages - i.e, the endless repetition of messages that occur when you reply. It takes ages just to go through the digest! Anyway, moan over, I look forward to seeing a lot of you on the day itself - and Geir, at the B&B on Saturday morning, traffic permitting. And, finally, 'Atlantic Walls' seems to be getting increasingly difficult to get hold of - have TDI deleted it? I couldn't get it in Poland, the shops in Leicester have very little TD - and Midas Records and Compact Disc Services don't have it in stock. So, Paul, I may have to gamble and hope some of the stores in London have it... Roger Hartopp ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Tue May 8, 2001 9:19 pm Subject: spare copies hi anyone need a copy of the tyranny of beauty promo cd or alexander sq. 7' , i have spare copies and will bring them on saturday if needed. email me off list thanks Duncan From: Lasse Gustafsson Date: Tue May 8, 2001 8:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Atlantic Walls -> Roger >And, finally, 'Atlantic Walls' seems to be getting increasingly >difficult to get hold of - have TDI deleted it? I couldn't get it in >Poland, the shops in Leicester have very little TD - and Midas >Records and Compact Disc Services don't have it in stock. So, Paul, I >may have to gamble and hope some of the stores in London have it... > >Roger Hartopp Dear Roger As of my knowledge, TDI currently has Atlantic Wall on their lists. TDI does not sell individual records, but if You are short of some newest records, it might be considerable choice to look http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/stimpackinfo.html Clicking 'Credit Card' button You can select (=look what is available) products You would have. AW is among of them, though. 90 US $ for five records is not highest price seen on internet web sales, and i would rather pour my money directly to TDI than any moneygrabbin' cdnetstore... Bad, if you already have the other records for sale there... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26905 Re: Atlantic Walls -> Roger Michael A Jean Wed 5/9/2001 4 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue May 8, 2001 10:48 pm Subject: Shepherd's Bush Show - RealAudio Small update to the TDI page today, but it's good news: the Shepherd's Bush show will be re-broadcast on the net via RealAudio between May 24th and May 27th. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26907 Re: Shepherd's Bush Show - RealAudio Heiko Heerssen Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB 26994 Anyone ever heard of 'Paul Brookes' Richard F Tue 5/15/2001 3 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Tue May 8, 2001 11:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales tree I made 3 sets of Dreamwatchers Tales for my branch and only 1 person contacted me for their copies, so if anyone needs one, e-mail me. I did my tree right this time. -Morgan From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed May 9, 2001 1:20 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Atlantic Walls -> Roger I have seen it occaisionally at BORDERS BOOKS & MUSIC here in the US > -----Original Message----- > From: Lasse Gustafsson [mailto:lg@t...] > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 4:22 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Atlantic Walls -> Roger > > > >And, finally, 'Atlantic Walls' seems to be getting increasingly > >difficult to get hold of - have TDI deleted it? I couldn't get it in > >Poland, the shops in Leicester have very little TD - and Midas > >Records and Compact Disc Services don't have it in stock. So, Paul, I > >may have to gamble and hope some of the stores in London have it... > > > >Roger Hartopp > > Dear Roger > > As of my knowledge, TDI currently has Atlantic Wall on their lists. > TDI does not sell individual records, but if You are short of some > newest records, it might be considerable choice to look > http://www.tdi-music-mall.de/stimpackinfo.html > > Clicking 'Credit Card' button You can select (=look what is > available) products You would have. AW is among of them, though. 90 > US $ for five records is not highest price seen on internet web > sales, and i would rather pour my money directly to TDI than any > moneygrabbin' cdnetstore... Bad, if you already have the other > records for sale there... > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed May 9, 2001 5:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? Conrad Gibbons schrieb: > 4.30 sounds like a good plan!!! Should we wear name tags??? We might look > a bit silly but at least we would all know everyone is!!!!!! If you see a dude wearing a Ramones t-shirt..... then it's me :-) To be really honest, I'm more looking forward to meet some of you people at Harvey's than seeing TD live, for the first time since I joined the Tadream list 3+ years ago I will finally get to know a few people in person who have become my closest TD friends (most of them live in the UK) Heiko From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed May 9, 2001 6:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Show - RealAudio Sean Montgomery schrieb: > Small update to the TDI page today, but it's good news: the Shepherd's Bush show > will be re-broadcast on the net via RealAudio between May 24th and May 27th. Good news indeed. But since it will be a re-broadcast I'm sure that we will hear some 'tangentizing' on some of the tracks. So bring along your DAT recorders to the show ;-)) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26994 Anyone ever heard of 'Paul Brookes' Richard F Tue 5/15/2001 3 KB From: Richard F Date: Wed May 9, 2001 8:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales tree Hi Tom I'm still waiting to here from the person who was supposed to do the copying. As per my last email to you, I still would like a copy, and if there are any others in the UK still waiting, perhaps I could take over. All I would need is a couple of master disc's (and possibly a copy of the cover file) All the best >Glad to see some reviews of DT showing up on the list. > >Sorry to hear there are still people waiting for copies... > >Anyone who still doesn't have their copy or didn't sign up but would like >one, feel free to contact me directly to make arrangements to get one. Also >feel free to contact anyone you know who has one and ask if they can copy it >for you. Apparently some branches of the tree have been less than stellar >in fulfilling their responsibilities. This has been noted for future >reference. > >This is the last time I'm posting to the list regarding the subject, so I'd >like to make a few comments: > >A tree is supposed to be a very efficient way to distribute these kind of >things, presuming that all who volunteer to do copies for others do so in a >timely manner. Some branches were completed in as little as a couple weeks. >My thanks to those who handled things efficiently. > >All participants (leaves and branches) have the responsibility to >communicate with those they are connected to in the tree. In those places >where the tree was delayed or broke down entirely, this communication >isn't/wasn't taking place. I know people have lives outside of these >mailing lists - at least I hope they do. ;-) So, in the future, if you >don't have the time to be a branch, please don't volunteer to be one. I had >plenty of branch volunteers that ended up as leaves just because I didn't >need them all. I didn't have any reason to prefer one person to another, >except for location. Now I have a bit more info as to who can be relied >upon for next time. > >My apologies to those still waiting. Please contact me directly if you're >still in need of a copy, or if you're new to the list and are interested in >getting one. > >Thanks for listening. > >All further discussion of the DT distribution will be off-list. I don't >want to waste any more bandwidth on it. > >Cheers! > >Tom > > > > >___________________________ >IMPORTANT NOTICE: >This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in >error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by >email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or >distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions >may be unlawful > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de >Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Richard F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Wed May 9, 2001 8:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? Hi To spot me in Harveys - Look for blue/green specs & a loud dragon t-shirt. I believe Stevie has run-up a fetching little number in purple. Dont know if it will sit with the red hair & beard though! Look forward to seeing you all! Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26912 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's glynn_naughton@h... Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Wed May 9, 2001 10:01 am Subject: RE: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey`s Conrad Gibbons schrieb: > 4.30 sounds like a good plan!!! Should we wear name tags??? We might look > a bit silly but at least we would all know everyone is!!!!!! Hi all, My girlfriend and I will come to the Pub between 4.30 pm and 5.00 pm. I have an T-Shirt (black) on the back side is standing my Homepage adress: www.opticaldream.de and on my head you see a Base Cap with Tangerine Dream Logo on it. See you the other Heiko Burg/Germany www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26916 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey`s Richard F Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Wed May 9, 2001 10:06 am Subject: Auction Results Hi all, thank you to all bidder`s and visitor`s on my first auction on www.opticaldream.de . Over 520 clicks in 14 day`s that was great. For the results please click here: www.opticaldream.de/dream/auction.htm After the great sucess of the auction I planed a second auction for October 2001 with more NEW and RARE item`s of Electronic Music. Regards auctionmaster-heiko Burg/Germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed May 9, 2001 10:09 am Subject: Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? I'll probably be there around 3.30, but at some point I might shoot off to the Thai restaraunt round the corner (of course anyone who wants to can tag along...). I'm a bit leery of staying too long in the pub and getting sozzled before the show. Also, add another name to the list of attendees: Mark Gornall, a friend of mine from up north (of England) who will be turning up about 3.30 too. Glynn From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Wed May 9, 2001 10:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? I`m hoping to get there around 5.30ish , dont want to get pissed before the gig ! now afterwards is a different matter ......is anybody going out afterwards that wouldn`t mind a lone musician tagging along ? Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk(Steve Lawler Fine art & Illustration) From: michael.hartopp@t... Date: Wed May 9, 2001 12:04 pm Subject: What I'm wearing in Harvey's... and the concert A black 'Melrose' sweatshirt with three bikes picture and group name discreetly positioned in the corner, covering a black TD teeshirt bought at theBirmingham concert in 1997... Roger Hartopp ---Open Email - Email on your tv with talk21--- From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed May 9, 2001 8:46 pm Subject: Re: DT reviews >>>From: Geir Smedsrud >>>>Pheu! I didn't know there was so much work in doing a review, but I'm all sweaty after doing up my mind about all the tracks on DT. (...) >>>CD1: >>>Track 12: >>>I must admit when I first heard this track, I didn't like it at all. I like it better now, but it's still not my favorite. -------- First of all, thanks everyone for sharing your opinions about DT, it's really a very good compilation. I would like to add one comment: Since my track, the last track in CD1 was mentioned, I thought it would be good to tell you about it. It's called Morse Codes, and what's in DT is only an excerpt of it. The original is slightly longer than 10 minutes, but only the last section of it was used in DT. This last section isn't even the best part, as I see it. This is an improvisation, one of the best I've ever played, and it's much better to hear the whole of it, because then you can notice its development. Also, for some reason the sound quality of the track in DT is worse than the original. It's like a cushion being pressed against the speakers playing the original. I intend to release the original track in some way in the near future, in my page, or as a bonus track in a mp3.com cd, or something. As it is in DT, I found it bad myself, because in that way it sounds like it goes from nowhere to nowhere else. The full version even has a small intro, anyway, it's so much better. To sum it up: as it is, in DT, I find it one of the worst DT tracks. If it was the original 10 minute track, I dare to say it would be one of the best in DT. GJ From: Richard F Date: Wed May 9, 2001 3:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey`s Hi Guys I'm afraid I will not be able to make it. I've come down with a case a pleurisy and feel like death warmed up at the moment. I hope you all enjoy it. Perhaps I can get hold of a descent recording of the concert from someone. All the best -- Richard F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed May 9, 2001 1:45 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] What I'm wearing in Harvey's... and the concert Hi all, I'll be wearing my Millennium Booster 'GWoC' t-shirt for the first time! Looking forward to meeting you all, mine's a pint of Murphy's :-) Cheers Paul Fellows Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26932 Re: Re : [tadream] What I'm wearing in Harvey's.. Rainer Rutka Fri 5/11/2001 2 KB 26934 Re: Re : [tadream] What I'm wearing in Harvey's.. lawlermusic Fri 5/11/2001 2 KB From: horrod6 Date: Wed May 9, 2001 5:42 pm Subject: Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? 4:30 sounds fine to me. I'll be wearing a boring old TDI t-shirt (as will Dave) and an Okefenokee beanie. (Dave _may_ be wearing a badge announcing which birthday he's celebrating - but he'll take some persuading!) LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26919 Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's Gary Jenkins Wed 5/9/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed May 9, 2001 7:59 pm Subject: Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? --- In tadream@y..., horrod6 wrote: > 4:30 sounds fine to me. > The Best I can offer is two badges on normal clothes TD world tour 82 and my TDIFC badge, the last T shirt I had from 86 it either shrunk or I got bigger. Cheers Gary. Ps. get well soon Richard. > > > > > From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Thu May 10, 2001 7:05 am Subject: sheperd's bush hi, before you all head off to London and the gig, I wish you all a great time there and of course a good concert. The first one is guaranteed, the second one - you'll tell us later, I hope! Too bad I can't make it even though Dublin isn't that far. Instead I'll be working in a grey cubicle surrounded by computers so I can take an extra day off to a scuba diving trip to Tenerife. Not so bad after all... ;-) I'll listen to TD at home and at work on Saturday. Have fun armin From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu May 10, 2001 11:33 am Subject: And Afterwards? (SBE) Hi Our secondary purpose is to have a good night out! Anyone else going on after? Especially anyone who knows where to go! Best Brian ------------------------ From: 'lawlermusic' I`m hoping to get there around 5.30ish , dont want to get pissed before the gig ! now afterwards is a different matter ......is anybody going out afterwards that wouldn`t mind a lone musician tagging along ? Paul _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26922 Re: And Afterwards? (SBE) Synthhtnys@a... Thu 5/10/2001 2 KB 26923 Meeting at Harvey's pub!! ??? (SBE) Rainer Rutka Thu 5/10/2001 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu May 10, 2001 11:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] And Afterwards? (SBE) I`m hoping to get there around 5.30ish , dont want to get pissed before the gig ! now afterwards is a different matter ......is anybody going out afterwards that wouldn`t mind a lone musician tagging along ? *If there's too much miming during the concert you might find yourself getting pissed during the show... In the American sense of the word anyway... ;-) Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26923 Meeting at Harvey's pub!! ??? (SBE) Rainer Rutka Thu 5/10/2001 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu May 10, 2001 3:48 pm Subject: Meeting at Harvey's pub!! ??? (SBE) Hi! Just wanted to ask when do we meet us at Harvey's pub in London before the Shepperd's Bush concert? I'll be staying in the Grantly Hotel. My plane arrives at 11:30 (local time). So I have enough time. Who else is in the Grantly Hotel? What's about the two Heiko's? :-) See you in London (my first time!!!). Rainer I'll take my camera! --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Thu May 10, 2001 7:47 pm Subject: Shepherds bush. Hoping to arrive from wales late afternoon with a cargo of glenfiddich Hic! Hope to see you fellow TD,ers in harveys. Diolwch yn fawr. Hic! Regards from wales. Astro. From: gyedid@p... Date: Thu May 10, 2001 9:34 pm Subject: best wishes for Bash at the Bush III Hey all, Just dropping to wish all SBE 3 attendees a good time and a good show (as mentioned before, the latter is conditional...). I'm with you in spirit if not in person. have a blast! Gabe who's not optimistic about a N.A. tour come fall... p.s. I probably won't get to see TD (maybe ever), but I can settle for Depeche Mode in June :P Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26926 Re: Mode James E. Jacoby Thu 5/10/2001 2 KB From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Thu May 10, 2001 11:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mode --- gyedid@p... wrote: > p.s. I probably won't get to see TD (maybe ever), but I can settle > for > Depeche Mode in June :P I have my 3rd row center seats for DM already, and I'm especially stoked since I discovered one of my favorite artists, Poe, will be opening up! The last DM show I saw was incredible. As for DM, I've made up my mind... if they come on a limited U.S. tour and skip Miami, I'll definitely fly somewhere else to see them. I think the last time they were down here was on the Optical Race tour, and I wouldn't discover them until a year after that. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu May 10, 2001 11:26 pm Subject: Sit or stand?????? Hi guys With all the talk about the upcoming live-performance by TD, I was wondering. In the recent years a lot of concerts has to be seen sitting down. How many of you would rather stand?????? When I go to watch a band play, I do NOT want to sit down. I want to move to the music. I mean when f.ex. TD is playing their sequencers and beats i will not be able to sit quietly on a chair and watching silently. I seriously want to jump on the chair and start dancing. Why do the bands or people in charge of the concert believe I want to sit down?????? Jan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26933 Re: Sit or stand?????? Brian Stewart Fri 5/11/2001 2 KB 26935 Re: Sit or stand?????? Nigbur D Fri 5/11/2001 3 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Thu May 10, 2001 11:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? I think my world tour 82 t shirt is the only one that hasn't had the armpits rotted by spray on deodorant, but like so many others, it has shrunk too. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Jenkins To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 8:59 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: So, what time shall we all gather at Harvey's? > --- In tadream@y..., horrod6 wrote: > > 4:30 sounds fine to me. > > > The Best I can offer is two badges on normal clothes TD world tour 82 > and my TDIFC badge, the last T shirt I had from 86 it either shrunk > or I got bigger. > Cheers Gary. > Ps. get well soon Richard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Fri May 11, 2001 1:31 am Subject: ES #11 Hello, You may want to check out the new release of http://www.electronicshadows.com as it features small articles about related artists; Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk, Jarre, Vangelis..... If someone can write a summary of the Dreamwatcher project I can add it, btw. Best whishes, Glenn Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com From: 'David Foster' Date: Fri May 11, 2001 4:45 am Subject: Shepherds Bush See you at Harveys, around 4.30pm. I'm easy to recognise, beard, red baseball cap and Cyclone tour pinbadge. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Fri May 11, 2001 4:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Meeting at Harvey's pub!! ??? (SBE) I have a suggestion for people either before or staying on in London after the concert. Try the millenium wheel (eye). It's worth the trip. Great views, especially at night. Or Kew during the daytime. Beats battling the crowds in Oxford Street. Is that Dali exhibition still on? David From: Rainer Rutka Date: Fri May 11, 2001 6:53 am Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] What I'm wearing in Harvey's... and the concert On Wed, 9 May 2001, Paul Fellows wrote: > Hi all, > I'll be wearing my Millennium Booster 'GWoC' t-shirt for the first time! > Looking forward to meeting you all, mine's a pint of Murphy's :-) > Cheers > Paul Fellows Hi Paul and ya'all! I'll be there at Harvey's at approx. 16.30 - 17.00. I'm waearing a TD-shirt (of course). Which one - I don't know. Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Fri May 11, 2001 8:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Sit or stand?????? Hi On Saturday we are standing. Personal preference, but in other times I reckon TD would have been better appreciated with your arse firmly planted in a chair & your head elswhere! The last sit down concert (folksingers excluded) I attended was by Yes, it was a very different experience to seeing them long ago, outdoors, standing in a muddy park. Mind you I was being ultra-sad by taking a pair of binoculars to study Steve Howe's fingering technique! Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'lawlermusic' Date: Fri May 11, 2001 10:27 am Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] What I'm wearing in Harvey's... and the concert I`ll be wearing a small pair of hotpants with a Linda Spa T-shirt . ;) Paul From: Nigbur D Date: Fri May 11, 2001 2:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Sit or stand?????? With the dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us recently, I suppose standing up and dancing would be a more adequate way of appreciating the music. I think the sitting-down concert are a leftover from earlier days, where sitting back, closing your eyes and listening intently used to be by far the superior approach. But since even the 'classic' set gets beat-ified now, just go ahead and dance. Dennis > ---------- > From: PERGAMON[SMTP:pergamon@g...] > Reply To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 11 May 2001 00:26 > To: tadream > Subject: [tadream] Sit or stand?????? > > Hi guys > > With all the talk about the upcoming live-performance by TD, I was > wondering. In the recent years a lot of concerts has to be seen sitting > down. How many of you would rather stand?????? > > When I go to watch a band play, I do NOT want to sit down. I want to > move to the music. I mean when f.ex. TD is playing their sequencers and > beats i will not be able to sit quietly on a chair and watching silently. > I seriously want to jump on the chair and start dancing. Why do the bands > or people in charge of the concert believe I want to sit down?????? > > Jan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: > http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Fri May 11, 2001 10:04 pm Subject: 15% discount coupon at CD Now Hi all. There's a new discount coupon at CD Now, 15% off - minimum purchase 9.95 dollars. Expires May 22. URL is: http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-3836499 -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sat May 12, 2001 12:57 am Subject: Shepherds bush aggro Hi all I went to the Empire tonight to see Porcupine Tree, superb gig but what a chore to get there. I come in from the east (Basildon) and i made my way to the central line which was closed between marble Arch and some station beyond the Bush. To cut a long story short we ended up on all sorts of lines and it took us an hour and a half to get from Tower Hill to Shepherds bush, it was a nightmare. I hope it will all be fixed for tonight but I advise anyone coming in that way to check. The district line to hammersmith and hammersmith/city line to the Bush is the most straightforward alternative.Also, the late night eastbound trains are now running from fenchurch street again. All made for an interesting night. Gig was blinding though. Phil. From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 1:25 am Subject: Shepherd's Bush Mini Report Well, I'm just back from Shepherds Bush Empire and I must say I really enjoyed it. Highlights for me were the Logos remix, the Force Majeure remix, and Towards the Evening Star remix. In all TD played non-stop (except for 2 x 3 minute breaks) for 2 hours and 45 minutes. The first half consisted of a 'vintage' set in as much as it was new mixes of old tracks and after about an hour and a half, Edgar and Jerome (and the guitarist) left the stage to allow the female percussionist (very active and energetic - and quite sexy the way she gyrated while playing them bongos!) to showcase her talents for about 3 minutes before they all regrouped and headed into a more modern set. I felt TD lost their way a little at this point, although the rest of the crowd seemed to disagree with me. Maybe it is because I didn't really recognise any of the new tracks, because although I own all of the albums, I've probably only listened to the last half a dozen a couple of times each. After about two and a half hours TD left the stage for another 3 minutes only to reappear to perform the obligatory 2 track encore, followed by a finale which was another encore of Purple Haze. Only complaints were that at times both the percussion and guitar seemed a bit forward in the mix, and also sometimes seemed to be being played just for the sake of it. As usual, I never saw either Edgar or Jerome attempting any live sequencing or lead lines, sticking to barely animated chord playing, but to be honest, I hardly took my eyes off the percussionist all night as she was so lively. She seemed to really enjoy herself, and it's a shame I couldn't hear Edgar properly when he introduced her, though I'm sure someone caught her name. I met a few new people (not as many as I hoped but I didn't arrive in Shepherds bush until after 5:30). I spent the night with Roger Hartopp and Paul Lawler on the back row of the first level (ahem! - perhaps I should rephrase that) and after the gig it was back to Harveys for a quick couple of 'Red Bulls' and then it was back up the M6 for the 3.5 hour journey home, clutching my only purchase of the evening - DM3 - The Past Hundred Moons, which incidentally is currently playing. The album is in a nice digipak, but I'm not sure whether this the is standard release format or a 'Shepherd's Bush Special'. Anyway, I have taken some photos of the case and have uploaded them to http://www.thisolehouse.freeserve.co.uk/dm3.html if anyone is interested... unfortunately I forgot to take my camera to London. Duh! Anyway, I'm sure someone will be able to post tracklistings etc (I'm hopeless at that sort of thing). Best regards Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26939 Re: Shepherd's Bush Mini Report Frank Arellano Sun 5/13/2001 5 KB 26941 Re: Shepherd's Bush Mini Report Vic Rek Sun 5/13/2001 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 2:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Mini Report Thanks, Lawry! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Lawry Simm' To: Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 7:25 PM Subject: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Mini Report > Well, I'm just back from Shepherds Bush Empire and I must say I really > enjoyed it. > > Highlights for me were the Logos remix, the Force Majeure remix, and Towards > the Evening Star remix. > > In all TD played non-stop (except for 2 x 3 minute breaks) for 2 hours and > 45 minutes. The first half consisted of a 'vintage' set in as much as it was > new mixes of old tracks and after about an hour and a half, Edgar and Jerome > (and the guitarist) left the stage to allow the female percussionist (very > active and energetic - and quite sexy the way she gyrated while playing them > bongos!) to showcase her talents for about 3 minutes before they all > regrouped and headed into a more modern set. I felt TD lost their way a > little at this point, although the rest of the crowd seemed to disagree with > me. Maybe it is because I didn't really recognise any of the new tracks, > because although I own all of the albums, I've probably only listened to the > last half a dozen a couple of times each. > > After about two and a half hours TD left the stage for another 3 minutes > only to reappear to perform the obligatory 2 track encore, followed by a > finale which was another encore of Purple Haze. > > Only complaints were that at times both the percussion and guitar seemed a > bit forward in the mix, and also sometimes seemed to be being played just > for the sake of it. As usual, I never saw either Edgar or Jerome attempting > any live sequencing or lead lines, sticking to barely animated chord > playing, but to be honest, I hardly took my eyes off the percussionist all > night as she was so lively. She seemed to really enjoy herself, and it's a > shame I couldn't hear Edgar properly when he introduced her, though I'm sure > someone caught her name. > > I met a few new people (not as many as I hoped but I didn't arrive in > Shepherds bush until after 5:30). I spent the night with Roger Hartopp and > Paul Lawler on the back row of the first level (ahem! - perhaps I should > rephrase that) and after the gig it was back to Harveys for a quick couple > of 'Red Bulls' and then it was back up the M6 for the 3.5 hour journey home, > clutching my only purchase of the evening - DM3 - The Past Hundred Moons, > which incidentally is currently playing. The album is in a nice digipak, but > I'm not sure whether this the is standard release format or a 'Shepherd's > Bush Special'. Anyway, I have taken some photos of the case and have > uploaded them to http://www.thisolehouse.freeserve.co.uk/dm3.html if anyone > is interested... unfortunately I forgot to take my camera to London. Duh! > > Anyway, I'm sure someone will be able to post tracklistings etc (I'm > hopeless at that sort of thing). > > Best regards > Lawry > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 2:24 am Subject: DM3 Just discovered that the 'Logos' remix that I liked so much at Shepherds Bush is in fact track 9 (The Comfort Zone) on DM3. Ace! *8-) From: Vic Rek Date: Sun May 13, 2001 5:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherd's Bush Mini Report Hi Lawry, Thanks for the nice and quick report. You got me interested in that drummer. Did she look like any of these folks at this link :-) http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/dm3.jpg ??? Vic Lawry Simm wrote: > Well, I'm just back from Shepherds Bush Empire and I must say I really > enjoyed it. > [...] > - and quite sexy the way she gyrated while playing them > bongos!) to showcase her talents for about 3 minutes before they all > regrouped and headed into a more modern set. [...] From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 8:50 am Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush Mini Report >Hi Lawry, > >Thanks for the nice and quick report. You got me interested in that drummer. >Did she look like any of these folks at this link :-) >http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/dm3.jpg ??? > >Vic Heh, heh.. that would be a resounding 'no'. The drummer was (from what I could see given that I was in the back row) tall, very slim, very long curly reddish-brown hair which was tied back. I could also tell she had a tattoo around one of her arms but I couldn't make out her face from that distance. Oh and (girls stop reading!) she had a really nice bum! *8-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26999 Re: Shepherds Bush Mini Report Armin Theissen Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27000 Re: Shepherds Bush Mini Report Heiko Heerssen Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 9:42 am Subject: SBE concert Hi just like to say TD produced a superb concert last night, great choice of music now looking forward to playing DM3,wearing my DM3 T shirt as I write, XL as they say one size fits all. Sorry did not get to meet as many people as I wanted to due to the FA cup final Harvey's was packed spent most of time at Walkabout met Colin and Glyn, then rest of it in queue making sure got seat on level one. Cheers Gary. From: D.Nigbur@r... Date: Sun May 13, 2001 10:45 am Subject: Shepherd's Bush Mini Report II Hello folks, just logging on from home (which I don't do often!) to share some experiences of the evening with you. First of all, a kind hello to all the people I met at Harvey's before and after the concert - after talking to some of you on the list for some time, it was great to meet you all in person! Personally, I loved the concert and thought they were very much better and more creative than in the 1997 tour. Many of the new mixes from DM3 had been nicely woven into the overall fabric of the performance, instead of setting aside part of the concert exclusively to dance stuff, as had been indicated previously. Also, some of the bridges between individual pieces were extended to the point of becoming mini-compositions themselves - probably the nearest we were going to get to an all-new set, and very well executed too! I didn't hear Edgar's introductions at the end of the concert, so I'll have to refer to Edgar and Jerome's sidekicks as 'the guitarist' and 'the percussionist'. I didn't recognise either of them, although they may have been involved in some of TD's studio work before. The guitarist was pretty good and did a better job of 'Warsaw in the Sun' than Zlatko did four years ago. On the other hand, the same problem that pertained to Zlatko then also applied last night; since the guitarist wasn't playing another instrument, he tended to get relegated to spectator status or pass his time playing little chords and doubles over the synthesisers, which could be annoying at times. The percussionist was similarly lively and extroverted as Emil Hachfeld was in 1997, the main difference being her obvious preference for the bongos and a spectacular tendency to play even the other parts of the impressive drum set with her bare hands! Complete with the dreadlock bunches and an almost flirtatious interaction with the audience (in contrast to the more traditionally detached Edgar and Jerome, who nevertheless did join in and crack some jokes towards the end!), she almost did a too good job at stealing the show. Similar to the guitar, I thought the percussion did get overdone on occasions in an attempt to showcase the instrumentalists. But she certainly seemed to be enjoying herself. The set, played continuously over nearly three hours, was completely different from the 1997 offering, the only point of overlap being 'Warsaw in the Sun', which received the usual warm reception. Other highlights included some Logos- and Thief-inspired remixes from DM3, a drum duet between Jerome and the percussionist (I felt sorry for Jerome when the applause was a bit late in the coming at the end of that impressive sequence), and some extended sequences which - to my knowledge - haven't been released officially at all! I think I recognised a lengthy track labelled 'Coronation' on the Sea of Dreams bootleg - must check! This middle part of the gig, especially, was well worth the visit. On the whole, they seemed to play a lot of Mars Polaris, and some Dm3. More surprisingly, a fair bit from 'Optical Race' resurfaced (Cat Scan, Midnight Trail), the opening part of 'Livemiles' was given a nostalgic airing, and they even went as far back in time as to play the concluding sequence of 'Force Majeure'! I couldn't make out anything from the Seven Letters or GWoC, which I found a bit surprising. On the other hand, maybe I just didn't hear it...which brings me to the only major criticism I have about last night. I was on the second level of the venue in what seemed to be a pretty full theatre. The sound quality was RUBBISH. After the first few sequences, it was not unusual for the drums, bass and percussion being so loud in the mix that they made the galleries vibrate, obscured much of the subtler textures in the music, and caused the odd painful feedback. As a consequence, and without the alternative of stealthily sneaking onto the first or ground level of the theatre, I didn't hear much of the music for certain stretches of time, other than a blaring tapestry of drums and bass notes. Oddly enough, in post-concert conversation at Harvey's, it turned out that people with first-level seats had better sound quality, while people near the stage on the ground floor almost found it too quiet. Maybe there was a problem with the sound mixing or the PA system? Edgar and Jerome have complained in the past of mixers and technicians at their concert venues being insensitive to their style of music. Maybe there is a lesson there. Apologies for this mini-report turning into a more lengthy affair after all. I hope you enjoyed it anyway. Also, I hope I can keep in touch with all the great people I met last night, and if anyone happens to have taken notes for a track listing, please post it on the list. Greetings to you all. From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Sun May 13, 2001 12:02 pm Subject: Shepard's Bush Empire The great Hurricane no longer, now simply a cold November drizzle.... From: 'Christopher Lomas' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 12:49 pm Subject: More Shepherds Bush Reflections For what they're worth, here's some more reflections on the Shepherd's Bush gig... (I enjoyed it - I think, but with reservations...) As a relatively new fan - (of only seven or eight years standing!) I'd been hoping to get the chance to see the chaps in action ever since hearing Logos. So I went to Shepherds Bush with mixed expectations - it was going to be great to finally see them (whatever they played), but I knew that I had to curb any hopes of seing the sort of improvised, other worldly sequencer fest of years gone by. Still, I'd enjoyed Dream Mixes 1 & 2 and loved Mars Polaris, so the omens were still good for a great night. Ten minutes into the gig and I couldn't quite decide if I was enjoying it as much as I should be. Twenty minutes in and the sound composition was really starting to bother me - too much guitar, slightly too much percussion that didn't quite seem to fit at times, and a bland pallete of keyboard sounds. I know this debate has raged before (and I don't want to open it up again now) but the array of keyboard voices seemed to me, too limited as to give sufficient definition to specific pieces. And with the keys seemingly quite low in the mix anyway, and the guitar too upfront, some sections threatened to descend into soft rock muzac territory. Bu, nevertheless, it was Edgar and Jerome up there, and I'd waited a long time to see them, and I really did want to enjoy myself. And, in truth there was still a lot to enjoy. The Logos remix didn't convince initially, but soon won me over and was possibly the highlight of the evening. It was nice to hear Livemiles and Force Majeure too, and of the newer stuff the Mars Polaris selections (of which there were quite a few) sounded especially good. Despite my misgivings, the guitarist and percussionists did good jobs. For me, the guitaris was at his best when making subtle contributions, not prancing around as a pretend rock god. Admittedly as has already been pointed out, some of his contributions were so subtle as to be rendered fairly meaningless. But that percussionist really knew her tom toms. She was quite captivating in fact, and certainly made the biggest contribution to my enjoyment of the gig - for all sorts of reasons! Ceratainly I can see the sense in drafting in guest players from Edgar and Jerome's point of view. With so many sampled keyboard parts, they added a live edge that would otherwise have been lacking. (And, if we're being cynical about it, this certainly went some way towards masking Edgar and Jerome's lesser contribution!) Edgar was practically catatonic at times (albeit in a fairly cool kind of way) and his contribution rarely extended beyond simple chord work. Jerome too was rarely stretched, although both dad and son seemed to be enjoying themselves. The second half of the evening seemed a little bit leaden at times. Too much of a muchness. Little variety compositionally, and little to distinguish between tracks. The segues were usually entertaining, albeit sometimes appearing to be drafted on as opposed to flowing seamlessly between pieces. Still at a little under three hours, it was an excellent evening's entertainment for the money (sorry, starting to sound like a consumer affairs programme now.) In retrospect I think I probably enjoyed it more than I thought at the time. (By the end of the week, I'll probably be raving about it!) Ceretainly it was always going to be hard for the band to compete with my expectations, but they enteratined me, they provided me with some more fine concert memories, and they gave me the impetus to enjoy a fine day out in London - so I'm happy. Apologies for the length and rambling nature of the above - not bad for a lurker! Chris Lomas PS Apologies to some people who I would have liked to have met and said 'hello' to, (like Thomas T and Heiko) with whom I've had some fine off list dealings - hope you and the other list members had a great time. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 5:42 pm Subject: Impressions of Bush Saturday 12 May dawned the sunniest and warmest day we have had so far this year. A T-shirt and shorts day, all day. As it was so good I walked round the fields to the station. Got to the station were there was lots of security to stop fans without tickets trying to board trains for the Cup final game. My ticket was checked 3 time before I could even get on the train, and once on the journey. 1 hour and a half later I got to London. I had some things to get that the family wanted from London. Did the shopping at Covent Garden. Oxford Street was busy as usual. It was so hot people were carrying bottles of water with them. I got the essential taping gear and headed for open space. Due to work and home I am lucky if I get 10 minutes to myself. So the day was a good opportunity to chill out. Lazed under some cherry trees in Kensington Gardens for a few hours. People were having fun in the sun and playing with boats on the lake. I looked up at the leaves against the clear blue sky thinking about the coming concert. We could be the leaves. All part of the same thing (tree) but we would see a slightly different view of the sun (concert). Got the taping machine ready. Weather too good to use the tube. I walked to Shepherds Bush and checked out the venue and pub. I have been several times before to the venue but with long gaps in between. Unfortunately the windows in Harvey's were blacked out with bin liners. Inside it was so packed with people watching sport on wide screen. You couldn't move and it was so loud. Conversation would have been next to impossible. What a disappointment. Gave that a miss. I returned to the venue, queued up and was near the front. The fans seem to be getting older. There were some younger fans, mentioning they got into TD from 1986. Many were wearing past T-shirts. The oldest was from 1980/81 tour. There were a lot of Great Wall of China T-shirts. As usual the fans chatted to each other about their TD experiences, concerts and dislikes. Most seemed to like the 'middle phase'. They hoped for a special appearance by a past member. I recognised Rainer from his picture on his web-site. We chatted about the happenings backstage. The concert seemed to be a sell-out but it is a small venue. If you haven't been it's like the theatre the muppets used be in on their shows. Old, fancy, purple and gold. As its small you feel as if you are part of things. The doors opened on time. The security let everyone in with no checks. That's unusual. Usually it's the third degree and worse than airport immigration. So far so good. I went up to the balcony (level 1) and completely walked past the merchandise counter without noticing it. At the balcony I asked about the merchandise and was directed back down again to the main entrance. The stand had a black T-shirt with the DM3 cover on it, T-shirt with the words Ground Liftaz, a DM3 CD and the Ground Liftaz 12 inch singles. Being black on black it was easy to miss. Did the shopping. Went back upstairs. By this time I got a seat on the aisle, Row C. Great place for a view and between the the sound stacks for sound quality. The light system looked like the usual house system. Whilst waiting I got talking to old and new faces. The lights went down and the curtains opened. In the middle of the stage Edgar's and Jerome's keyboards were side by side, as if they are about to serve in a fast food takeaway. The computer towers on each end like book-ends and at the back of them. All are dressed in black and Edgar looks just like the Ages cover. The percussionist had a large kit all around her and guitarist squeezed on stage on the right. The band opened with a new number. Not sure what it was, could have been Prime Time. Things move slowly and up comes Comet's Figure Head. This sounds near to the original. Next security are confiscating virtually everyone's recording and camera equipment, including mine. I thought I had mine hidden enough. Did anyone get a recording? The music is going slowly and fans are rather low key about it. The place is very hot and the band are getting through a lot of towels. Band looks tired with the heat. I think something from Poland was played. Fans liven up. Toward the Evening Star comes. Fans are happy now. The percussionist has a good time playing bongos / tablas. She had to compete against the pre-loaded electronic percussion which was louder. Guitarist plays mostly rhythym. The mix is generally in the middle with few high and low ends. E & J play what looks like 2 parts per keyboard, mostly string and brass effects. The computers take care of the melody / solos. The light show passes out over the audience. Some effects look just like the European Union flag. Then there's the Bush symbol for their nightclub. Kind of tribal look to it. So I think it was the house system. I'm not sure of the order of tracks. Bits from Architecture in Motion come. Fans roar when they recognise introductions. We get the long version of Timesquare. Some things sound in a different key or with altered tempo. Some of Le Parc gets aired. Fans are very happy. The anthem from, I think the end of track 1 of Livemiles comes on. Great stuff. More of Architecture in motion. Thunderous percussion and guitar. Things are getting like heavy metal. At some stage we get Logos. Or rather the Comfort Zone. I like this version. You can hear the Wake Up voice. The feel, dare I say, was reminiscent of Kraftwerk on the 1980 tour with Gary Numan motifs off Are Friends Electric. In the show generally some chord changes are dischordant. But then they are repeated so they were meant to be in there. Yeah, I feel like I'm hearing a lot of new stuff. Remixing to something new. Feet are tapping. Some fans downstairs are swaying. You could have danced to a lot of it. The bridges were short and rhythym was maintained. The feel has similaritiies to Orbital and Banco de Gaia if you need names. Astrophobia comes. Some of the alien feel from it is reserved to the end. The middle almost has a Viennese waltz tempo. Alien like ending to the track. Some more new stuff. There's been no break and the band have been on stage for a long time. At one stage percussionist does her solo, Edgar joins in. An anthem approaches. Is it Sony Topping out? Someone somewhere must have got out perfume. The heavy scent goes through the air. Back lighting comes on. There's this image of bright light behind Edgar's head. Yeah he had a halo for a while. Power chords and stately keyboard work. Great anthem to end with. Band looks happy now. Band go off and come back very quickly. Notes begin to play. Could that be Desert Dream off Encore? Am I hearing things? .....oh my God, the first encore is Encore! Fans are very happy. The key themes and sounds from encore appear...the stepped part from Coldwater Canyon. The whole is a piece of its own. It runs into main themes from Force Majeure. At one stage, I don't recall if it was here percussionist plays heavy kit. Jerome and percussionist duet with electronic kits. Things move into Thru Metamorphic Rocks. Distortion, loud everything. Edgar gives thumbs up to the audience, shows that its Jerome's show and then gives the signal for the band to rap it up. Band goes off and quickly comes back. Purple Haze - thrash version. Guitar is rythymic, not 220 Volt melodic solo. Guitarist all over the stage. Full on music and lights. It all comes to an end. Edgar grabs the mike and introduces the band. He mentions that people have come to the concert from Hong Kong, Brazil and USA. He seems pleased... and says see you all in the States. Fans chat as they go out. I think they all liked it but mentioned they felt deaf. Rainer and I moan about the security. Some fans are staying. Some want to meet up. I can't stay. I have to go for my train. I bump into Heiko on the way. Back in Bristol by 2am. The memories of the day and show are good. Yeah, it was Dream Mixing. Enjoy. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26948 Re: Impressions of Bush Phil White Sun 5/13/2001 2 KB 26958 Re: Impressions of Bush Bill Fox Mon 5/14/2001 3 KB 26968 Re: Impressions of Bush Deborah Johnson Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 7:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Impressions of Bush Hi all Many thanks to David Foster for excellent and evocative write up on the 'Bush Event' only sorry that I couldn't get there myself. Looking forward to the proposed webcasts from May 24th onwards.... Did anyone get a recording ? ;-) Cheers again David ATB Phil From: David Hughes Date: Sun May 13, 2001 6:24 pm Subject: Shephard's Bush Hello all, Just a quickie : back from the Empire gig and what a brilliant gig! The place was BLOODY PACKED! My first ever three hour concert! I dunno how they kept going, especially the percussionist! Brilliant! Regards David -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/tbassuk From: colin_anderson@e... Date: Mon May 14, 2001 10:34 am Subject: Shepherds Bush Excellent match reports from Dennis, Christoper, David and Lawry. Keep them coming as they're a great insight to those of us that couldn't manage to the show (it's times like this that living in Australia is a real pain in the ass). Well, it seems as if Ms/Mr Bongos has caused a bit of a stir, and maybe more so than the likes of Linda Spa ever did. TD have always needed something, apart from the music, to make their shows a bit more entertaining all-round. Trad TD shows - and by that I mean right up to FFH - were suited to lights and lasers and the feel of the music fitted in with this. Since then, in line with the bands more upfront image, the shows need someone on stage with a bit of energy and motion. Let's face it, Eddie and Jerry aren't exactly the sort to show more emotion that the odd foot tap...... and since the SBE light show wasn't all that much cop, it sounds as if it would've been a bit dull if it wasn't for the gyrations of Ms/Mr Bongos. TD with a possible TV on stage? Good on ya, guys! From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Mon May 14, 2001 11:28 am Subject: Bash at the Bush III Hello there, OK folks, I'll pitch in with my impressions of Bash at the Bush III. For an overall score I'll give the concert 5 out of 10. The day was gorgeous, which I found quite disorienting as TD has previously made a habit of performing in the UK in winter. I arrived at the Grantly Hotel which is only a hundred yards or so away from the Empire at about 2pm. My friend Mark arrived a couple of minutes later, and we agreed to meet up at Harveys later on. However, when later arrived I could hear Mark snoring loudly in his room but was unable to wake him so I sauntered over to the pub myself. Outside I met Heiko Heersen, Duncan McKee, Colin Jenkins and friend. As it was FA Cup Final day Harveys was packed so we went over to the Aussie bar next to the venue. Met various tadreamers throughout the afternoon (hello Rainer, Gary et al) and did various bits and bobs until it was time for the show. At about 7.30 the curtains opened to reveal TD in their standard configuration, with the percussionist stage right, then Edgar, then Jerome, using the same equipment setup that they've been using since '97, then the snap-in Seattle guitarist (back to Gerald Gradwool for this show) with his Marhshall amplifier. The only difference was that the percussionist was not Emil Hachfield but a red-haired girl who looked about 14 and wiggled her bottom a lot whilst playing bongos. As usual there was no attempt to rearrange the music to integrate these musicians' parts - they simply added essentially irrelevant and often inappropriate flourishes to the CD versions. Needless to say, Edgar and Jerome did not play a single note, and have now reached the point where they don't really even try to mime. It was a hot night, and several times Edgar nonchalantly took both hands off the keyboards to towel himself down. Jerome's stage demeanor was also as lazy and indifferent as usual. Presumably because of the time constraints there was no true half- time break. Instead, the boys trooped off stage whilst the bongo player gave the bongos a thrashing for a couple of minutes. Anyway, following is my best attempt to reconstruct the first-half set list from memory: [Unknown - guitar thrash] Cat Scan Comet's Figure Head Cool at Heart Force Majeure Going West First piece from Livemiles 2 The Comfort Zone Warsaw in the Sun The Midnight Trail Longing for Cashba Of these the highlight for me was the Logos remix, which I now know is 'The Comfort Zone' from DM3 - a really tremendous reworking of music from both the original album and Logos '88 track (although this section doesn't appear in the DM3 version) in the by-now-familiar Jerome techno style. The second half consisted of various stuff in a Dream Mixes style. It kicked off with Prime Time (oblique references to Silver Scale but no samples of the original track) and included Towards the Evening Star (blue gravity mix), TimeSquare (the version from What a Blast), Astrophobia and Outland. However, I can't supply a detailed set list because my concentration had started to wander by this point. I found myself looking at the architectural flourishes on the Empire's walls and ceiling and trying to remember their names, as well as daydreaming generally. Because Edgar and Jerome weren't playing anything and because there were no back-projections or a decent light show, once I was over the initial thrill of seeing Edgar up on stage again there wasn't that much to hold the attention. I tuned back into the show at the end of the main set, which concluded with a track that was very similar in arrangement and style to Beach Theme '97, and which clearly had the feel of a finale, which was what drew my attention back to the stage. The band went off stage to enthusiastic applause then came back to do Stereolight and Diamonds and Dust from DM3, followed by Purple Haze. From a distance the guitarist looks like Geddy Lee, and when he took centre stage to strike some heavy rock poses it almost seemed like TD had been replaced by Rush. Verdict: it was OK, but I've seen it all so many times before that it's wearing thin. Live, TD has been static since Bash at the Bush I in '96, aside from trivial and gimmicky changes like employing pointless percussionists, whether bottom-wiggling or not. I've heard enough collages of vintage TD glued together with ham-fisted bridge passages to last me a lifetime, and Jerome will soon have dream-mixed the entire TD ouvre, at which point he will presumably need to come up with his second musical idea or call it a day. Or maybe he could then start to remix the remixes; hang on, though, he's already doing that. The whole Dream Mixes thing, whilst producing some very enjoyable music, is serious old hat, and its ongoing nature suggests that TD's creative engine is now running on fumes. I mean, I really liked Logos, but there was no need for a Logos II or Logos III - back then TD still had enough gas in the tank that they didn't need to spin out a good idea. On to the Dream Mixes III CD, which I bought at the venue, and which I really like. This concentrates on remixes of classic TD from Encore, Thief, Poland, Logos and White Eagle. The problem I have with it is the credit 'Composed by Edgar and Jerome Froese'. I'm sorry, but this is just not true. The classic remixes feature extended selections from the original music, and it's poor form that Chris Franke, Peter Baumann and Johannes Schmoelling are not even mentioned on the sleeve. In particular, 'Girl on the Stairs' (better known, of course, as 'White Eagle'), is a very slightly different version of the piece from the 1997 tour CD, which was correctly attributed to Franke/Froese/Schmoelling. I hope that TDI at least had the decency to come to some financial arrangement with the disinherited ex- members behind the scenes. I find Jerome's willingness to take credit for things he didn't do to be thoroughly disreputable, and he has absolutely no excuse as TD now have full control over everything that they release - and that includes the laughable assertion on the Dream Mixes home page that TD are the godfathers of modern dance music. *Edgar* can claim godfather status, but Jerome was still sucking his thumb while Froese senior and colleagues were helping lay the foundations for a whole area of modern popular music. As far as I'm concerned, Jerome still hasn't proved that he is anything more than an over-indulged boy who got lucky in his choice of dad. So: an enjoyable show? Yes, but with serious reservations. In spite of my homily of a couple of months ago about taking every opportunity to see TD while they're still around, I probably wouldn't bother any more to go to one of their regular concerts unless it was right on my doorstep, or unless they had found a new direction and some new ideas. Even the best can only trade on their past for so long, and with this fan at any rate, TD's account is now just about empty. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26959 Re: Bash at the Bush III Sean Montgomery Mon 5/14/2001 3 KB 26965 Re: Bash at the Bush III gyedid@p... Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon May 14, 2001 11:38 am Subject: Ms/Mr Bongos Hi The percussionist's name is Iris, I couldnt catch her last name, both at the concert or when we met briefly in the hotel next morning. She is a pleasant, & very fit young woman. Her hair, by the way is purple!. Edgar was also happy & relaxed. He clocked Stevie in his DM3 t-shirt and returned our salute with a big smile and a wave. Best Wishes to all whom we met on Saturday. It was a great night for us! P.S. Paul, Laura sends her thanks. Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26953 Re: Ms/Mr Bongos Rainer Rutka Mon 5/14/2001 4 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon May 14, 2001 11:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ms/Mr Bongos On Mon, 14 May 2001, Brian Stewart wrote: > Hi > The percussionist's name is Iris, I couldnt catch her last name, both at the > concert or when we met briefly in the hotel next morning. She is a > pleasant, & very fit young woman. Her hair, by the way is purple!. Edgar Yes, I agree. She's very friendly and nice. > was also happy & relaxed. He clocked Stevie in his DM3 t-shirt and returned > our salute with a big smile and a wave. > > Best Wishes to all whom we met on Saturday. It was a great night for us! > > P.S. Paul, Laura sends her thanks. > > Brian > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Mit den besten Gruessen! Rainer Rutka --------------------------------------------------------------------- K+R Informationssysteme Konstanz E-Mail : rainer@k... Klimas und Rutka GbR Griesseggstrasse 27 D Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 D-78462 Konstanz Fax : +49 (0)7531 29879 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'Zentrum fuer objektorientierte Softwareentwicklung und -design' Spezialisten fuer : SMALLTALK, UNIX und Windows/NT www.k-r.de - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Thomas' Date: Mon May 14, 2001 3:13 pm Subject: Stockhausen Dear friends on the list, I'm watching the Polar Music Price Awards as I'm writing this, and as some of you might know, Carl-Heinz Stockhausen received the price for 'alternative' this year. It's awsome to watch an entire audience of about 1500 people sitting dead silent with their eyes closed, spellbound by the music. In the audience I can see celebrities such as members of the Swedish Royal family, other Swedish music artists (normally associated with pop music) and of course Burt Bacharach who won the other part of the price this year. I wonder if this will affect the music output for the next period to come, if it will have any impact on the musical society. The piece he's playing I think is named 'Gesang für Jugend', and it's a very long piece, wildly experimental. It's full of surprices and a lot of fun to listen to. I say it's a Great day for electronic music in the world. Have fun in London everyone! Best regards, Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri May 11, 2001 4:19 pm Subject: dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us recently On Fri, 11 May 2001 15:44:33 +0100 Nigbur D writes: >[. . .] dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us recently [. . .] Oh relax. Would you rather have three album's worth of something like TYRANNY OF BEAUTY? I like dance-oriented stuff. I was a disco boy 1978-1979 and now have more disco than rock in my LP collection. Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26969 Re: dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us E Neal Frost Mon 5/14/2001 3 KB 26970 Re: dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us Greg Tue 5/15/2001 3 KB From: 'Kevin Robert Ball' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 10:12 am Subject: The Bush Report Well for my point of view this was the 10th time I had seen the Tangs live and I was left feeling somewhat disappointed. The female percussionist (Iris) and the guitarist (didn't catch name) didn't seem to add anything positive to the overall sound of the band. Sure the Logos remix was absolutely the highlight of the evening, but when they played Diamond Diary (from Thief) (Diamonds and Dust on Dream Mixes 3) and the excerpts from Tangram I couldn't see the point in all those bongos. Perhaps I'm just a purist. The tracks from Poland too didn't benefit from this 'modern' mix. So to the lady with the bongos. It took me a few glances to work out whether she was a male or a female. Honest! I too watched her for quite a while and at times the electronic percussion was beating out it's tunes and I couldn't work out what she was contributing too the overall sound. There would be a cymbal smash and she would hit hers, afterwards. Did anyone else pick up on this. And as for that twiddling stick - what was that all about eh? Nope, I'm sorry but from my point of view she was 'the weakest link'! The guy on guitar stood there for most of the evening looking lost and again, could we honestly pick out his contribution in the overall mix? When he did get the chance to 'move' about he looked a bit 'play-pretend'. I mean did Edgar ever act in this way in order to produce his ear- splitting solos. I think not. Don't get me wrong I love the Tangs and have done for over twenty odd years now and welcome any chance to go and see them live but this concert was a bit flat - both musically and visually. I'll now sit and wait for numerous notes of disagreement. Oh well, as I said earlier I'm one of the purists amongst us. DM3 will probably get plenty of spins but in 3-4 years time I'll still be playing the Froese-Franke-Baumann(Schomelling-Haslinger) material much more readily. Warmest Regards, Kevin. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26960 Re: The Bush Report gnmorgan@b... Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB 26961 Re: The Bush Report Marcel Engels Mon 5/14/2001 3 KB 26964 Re: The Bush Report Rainer Rutka Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB 26967 Re: The Bush Report mengels@w... Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB From: '199' <199@1...> Date: Sun May 13, 2001 2:56 pm Subject: Re: TD Shepherds Bush 12.5.01 London was very hot... and I was hoping to meet lots of people from the TD list... and met no one ..?? I got there at 5.30 where was everyone ... ?? anyway inside the hall I talked to fans other than on the list.. the event was very social. TD came on at about 7.22 pm ... left for a break for 2 mins at 9.00 and played till 9.50 pm and did 2 encores plus one more and finished 10.14... so they more more of less played continuously for 2 hrs and 45 mins... the music consisted of about 2/3+ of old material updated with new beats and about 1/3 new material .... so we all got our money's worth ... the concert was sold out no seats or spaces anywhere.... There was a female drummer/percussionist and a guitarist but well there as decorative features and no real input to the music.... but the female drummer really got into the music and was very energetic... I loved her hair... when she got into the grooves... wow !! Realy Hot !! I had a standing ticket and was right at the front about 10ft away from Edgar ... it was a good atmosphere and consisted of a lot of 'older' fans .... many had 1981 and 86 T-shirts etc and there were a lot of younger people there.... early 20's... and 60 year olds...so a large cross - section of people.. and females there to !! At the end I think Edgar said they would do the States next maybe .....?? did anyone else hear that ... I bought the DM3 Cd which is quite interesting.. well thats it folks R ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Did you YADA Today?! Get your FREE email account @ http://www.yada.com From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sun May 13, 2001 9:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Impressions of Bush -----Original Message----- From: David Foster Subject: [tadream] Impressions of Bush >Next security are confiscating virtually everyone's recording and camera equipment, including mine. I thought I had mine hidden enough. Did anyone get a recording? Thanks for the report, David. I've often wondered what happens to the recording equipment that gets confiscated during a concert. Will you get your kit returned? If not, what kind of loss did you suffer? BTW, I didn't realize that there were TWO TD lists on OneList/eGroups/Yahoogroups/whatever... I joined the other list upon my return from Okefenokee. I joined this list today. Please visit my personal web site for the Oke reports and links I've been collecting. If I've missed any, please let me know so I can update my site. Cheers, Bill billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal Website: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon May 14, 2001 4:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bash at the Bush III The reviews of the Bush show posted here and in the band's guestbook confirm what I'd feared...that TD has nothing to offer as a live act anymore. Of course, it can be argued that this has been the case since at least 1988, but I think it has finally reached the point of ridiculousness. To me, if all I want to hear is a CD being played, I can do that at home. I go to shows so I can see a *performance*; so I can see the music being played by the artists who wrote it (that's why I hate big arena shows...you can't see what's happening onstage from the nosebleed seats). If that means simplifying the songs, removing parts, rearranging some things...so be it. Just as long as it's a *live* show. Other electronic acts that I've seen live - The Chemical Brothers, The Orb, and Moby - manage to play parts live and elevate the material beyond the recorded versions. But TD won't do that now, whether out of fear of hitting bum notes, or shear laziness. It's sad, really. If they do indeed tour on this side of the pond come October, I won't bother to drag my girlfriend along. If TD *fans* are bored by the show, how will non-believers react? I can just imagine how they'll get savaged by Edgar's arch-enemies, the 'dancing grizzlies'. I may not even go myself. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26965 Re: Bash at the Bush III gyedid@p... Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB From: gnmorgan@b... Date: Mon May 14, 2001 5:37 pm Subject: Re: The Bush Report I agree, they've ransaked the crown jewels to make a few cheap trinkets. Gary. > Perhaps I'm just a purist. The tracks from Poland too didn't benefit from > this 'modern' mix. From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon May 14, 2001 5:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The Bush Report > From: Kevin Robert Ball [mailto:KevinBall@T...] > (snip) > > I'll now sit and wait for numerous notes of disagreement. Oh > well, as I said > earlier I'm one of the purists amongst us. DM3 will probably get plenty of > spins but in 3-4 years time I'll still be playing the > Froese-Franke-Baumann(Schomelling-Haslinger) material much more readily. You just said your opinion about the music and the concert...nothing wrong with that. I wasn't there at the concert, but I think I can understand what you're saying. For me about 95% of what TD is doing now is not really interesting. (again thats my view). I'm going to see Gandalf in concert here in my own town this Friday...I must admit that if I had to choose between the 2 I would choose the latter. (would be a totally different story if it was 15 years ago). I'm sure Edgar gets bored of these stories and don't want anything to do with it (besides tampering with the 'take your hands off the' older material). Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26964 Re: The Bush Report Rainer Rutka Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB 26967 Re: The Bush Report mengels@w... Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon May 14, 2001 6:44 pm Subject: Shepherds Bush Concert Hi all, A BIG Thank you to Edgar and Jerome for this wonderfull long Concert in London. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon May 14, 2001 6:42 pm Subject: Shepherds Bush Concert Hi all Dreamers, has everyone recorded this great long Concert (2 hours and 45 minutes - without an break). Please contact me offlist, thank you. Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon May 14, 2001 6:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The Bush Report On Mon, 14 May 2001, Marcel Engels wrote: > > From: Kevin Robert Ball [mailto:KevinBall@T...] > I'm going to see Gandalf in concert here in my > own town this Friday...I must admit that if I had > to choose between the 2 I would choose the latter. > (would be a totally different story if it was 15 > years ago). OK! But to be honest: Gandalf's good old times are far away. His first 5/6 LPs are masterpieces. But what he's doing today is just muzak (I M O !). Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26967 Re: The Bush Report mengels@w... Mon 5/14/2001 2 KB From: gyedid@p... Date: Mon May 14, 2001 7:21 pm Subject: Re: Bash at the Bush III (snip Sean's rant) I think there's a very simple solution to this, and I certainly don't see why TD won't act on it. They seem to have no problems with hiring guest guitarists and percussionists, so why not hire a competent guest keyboard player to play at least SOME of the lead lines live? Heck, how many of the keyboardists on this list would jump at the opportunity to play live with TD? You don't suppose it's an ego issue, do you? Gabe From: 'Glenn Folkvord [Hyperion Media]' Date: Mon May 14, 2001 7:47 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Stockhausen Not to forget, Robert Moog got the Polar Music Award's special achievement prize. Best whishes, Glenn Editor @ http://www.electronicshadows.com Editor @ http://www.jmjfkn.com From: Date: Mon May 14, 2001 9:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The Bush Report >Quoting Rainer Rutka : > > OK! But to be honest: Gandalf's good old times are far away. His > first 5/6 LPs are masterpieces. But what he's doing today is just > muzak (I M O !). I agree that his first 5 are his best. He did 2 or so real new agey albums (and a symphonic album), but all the others have something. (imo). I did see a concert about 4 years ago and it still is one of the best concerts I saw... He DID play piano and minimoog and different guitars and it was all live. Some day a time machine will be invented so that I can go back for a few hours and enjoy a 70/80s concert. :-) Sorry, I'll stop rambling. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Deborah Johnson' Date: Mon May 14, 2001 9:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Impressions of Bush David: << It all comes to an end. Edgar grabs the mike and introduces the band. He mentions that people have come to the concert from Hong Kong, Brazil and USA. He seems pleased... and says see you all in the States. >> This is what I hoped to hear! Enjoyed all the concert reviews and it has me craving to catch them live too. You lucky bunch! Deb H-J drbjohn@e... From: 'E Neal Frost' Date: Mon May 14, 2001 10:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us recently If I might be permitted to open up this can 'o' worms...what is SSOOOOO bad about Tyranny of Beauty? I happen to like this album, but all I hear in this list is that it is trash. I am not trying to start another flame out over this, but I am just curious why I should think it is trash as well. Some one break it down for me..... Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:19 PM Subject: [tadream] dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us recently > On Fri, 11 May 2001 15:44:33 +0100 Nigbur D writes: > > >[. . .] dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us recently [. . .] > > Oh relax. Would you rather have three album's worth of > something like TYRANNY OF BEAUTY? > I like dance-oriented stuff. I was a disco boy 1978-1979 > and now have more disco than rock in my LP collection. > > Steven Feldman > > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Greg' Date: Mon May 14, 2001 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] dance-oriented output TD have inflicted on us recently I agree with you Neal, ToB is in my top three list of 90's material. The reason I say this is that ToB has some real emotional content while maintaining a good formal structure. There is also a warmth about the sound and it seems to flow sound wise in the way Force Majuere did with mixing acoustic and electronic. Some say it sounds the same between tracks - I'd say it's more cohesive than a lot of other modern TD work. Catwalk is brilliant, Living in a Fountain Pen has great build up and I love the sax part in how it flows from the e-guitar. The title track is beautiful and I also like Stratosfear 95 as well. It's also nice to know that ToB hasn't been hacked with remixes like most other 90's albums and in the one instance on the album where there is a remix - Catwalk being my favorite remix on DM1. Greg H. > If I might be permitted to open up this can 'o' worms...what is SSOOOOO bad > about Tyranny of Beauty? I happen to like this album, but all I hear in this > list is that it is trash. > > I am not trying to start another flame out over this, but I am just curious > why I should think it is trash as well. Some one break it down for me..... > > Neal From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 6:55 am Subject: bash at the bush III Hi, I've read through your bush gig reports and really regret that I couldn't make it this time. Well, I've been at bash I only, didn't go to bash II as I've seen them in Bonn and Glasgow during that time. But this time it was a unique one again... Would have loved to meet you all and some of you again in London. I'll be in the States in October, so maybe I'm lucky and TD happens to be around there as well... however, I'm afraid not since I'll be in Hawaii, to be precice. Though, Mr Froese, it wouldn't be such a bad idea to follow 'The King' and do a Hawaii show, would it? ;-) Hope somebody here has some photographs or even more to share with us ;-) and I'm overly curious about Iris #-) cheers armin From: wyslannik@y... Date: Tue May 15, 2001 8:05 am Subject: S.B. concert Hi, I really enjoyed last Saturday, on the TD gig, but I can't understand, why Force Majeure was just a sample with a bit of overdubbing (almost unhearable), why tangs didn't played melodic lines live on other vintage-pieces (like Going West, Live Miles). It was great to see TD's show, but that was not real live show, as TD used to play at past time.... Best regards to all people I met in overcrowded, noisy Harvey's (wasn't there better place to meet?). Jakub from Poland PS. Yep, I'm gonna see TD 1st September in Warsaw :) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27024 Re: S.B. concert Michal Moroz Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27030 Re: S.B. concert Michal Moroz Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27038 Re: S.B. concert vic rek Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 8:30 am Subject: Re: Gandalf ( was The Bush Report) From: Rainer Rutka > OK! But to be honest: Gandalf's good old times are far away. His > first 5/6 LPs are masterpieces. But what he's doing today is just > muzak (I M O !). Rainer ! Have you heard his Visions 2001 album, it is excellent, it echoes the sound and style he had during his early years, recommended imo. Marcel you lucky dog having this fine musician playing nearby, unfortunately he has never toured around England ( i don't think anyway!) so i have never seen him live. Would love to some day though. Nick NP Rainbow Serpent / Voices of the First Day Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... ICQ 44174543 From: colin_anderson@e... Date: Tue May 15, 2001 9:40 am Subject: Shepherds Bush I guess it's easy for us to have a go at TD these days when it comes to them playing 'live' (and the concerning thing is they set themselves right up for the negative comments and don't seem to worry about it) but how much of the FFS and FFH shows were really live? I'm not saying that they weren't, or that the current performances are acceptable, but are we looking back on past shows with the old rose- tinted specs on and thinking that they were more live than they actually were? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26979 Re: Shepherds Bush john@p... Tue 5/15/2001 4 KB 26991 Re: Shepherds Bush Marcel Engels Tue 5/15/2001 2 KB 26996 Re: Shepherds Bush Feldon Feldon Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 11:51 am Subject: Shepherds bush concert. After three and a half years i was waiting with great anticipation for Tangerine dreams latest appearance on the british mainland. A very nice sunny day and meetings with many fans added to the excitement. After downing several ciders in the local walkabout bar in company of gary,heiko,duncan,john and speaking to many more people in the cue the doors finally opened. Off to the bar for a very inflated pint of cider and the wait was over. The curtains came across and there they were. Edgar(the silver fox)Jerome looking like a beefie defense man from a stateside football match,Gerald with his trademark pony-tail and a very interesting percussionist with a nifty little backside.Hmm! I am not going to ramble on but will just say i thouroughly enjoyed the evening.The inclusion of cat-scan and live-miles(extract) was a pleasant surprise as was the excellent logos,but what did it for me was the superb astrophobia&the new reworking of the classic diamond diary under the new title of diamonds&dust.I for one will be back to see them again,if they ever decide to visit us.It seems there have been many differing opinions of the evening but as an individual i went home to South Wales a happy man. I hopr the persons who had their photographic equipment siezed had it rightly returned because, after all we are only fans. How i managed to get a good 15 to20 snaps from down the front god only knows,i just hope they come out. Watch this space.There was one SBE employee who quite fancied himself as a tough-nut he had more swagger than the great John-W himself. Seemed to like the littler guys.Typical.Sometimes anything around the 210lbs mark can come quite in handy. I would like to thank all the people i met,you really are a great bunch. Best regards to all. Astro From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 12:12 pm Subject: [tadream] Memories of Shepherd's Bush Hi all, I'm still recovering from the trip over from France, but thought I'd write a few words about last weekend. One highlight for me was briefly meeting Edgar purely by chance before the concert. I turned up outside Shepherds Bush Empire at about 2.20 pm. Waiting there was a solitary fan called Steve from near Frankfurt in Germany (not a list member) who told me that Edgar would be there in a few minutes, and sure enough he drew up in a car only 10 minutes later! He was with a tall black lady with long dreadlocked hair, no idea who it was, didn't see her again (half suspected at the time it might have been Jocelyn B Smith who sang on 'Tyger' which would have made an interesting contribution to the concert, but on reflection she didn't resemble the photo on the album sleeve). We rushed past Edgar to the stage door as he was momentarily delayed chatting to someone else (who I later found out was Martin from TDI, wish I'd said hello!) and dived into my bag to find a CD for him to sign, Great Wall of China was the first to come to hand. He actually started speaking to Steve in German, so I made a joke that I couldn't speak German but could speak French if he wanted, he smiled, shook my hand and signed the CD. Steve gave him a framed photo montage of the band in front of a futuristic sculpture in Osnabrück, From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Mon May 14, 2001 11:22 pm Subject: Never Say Never Again Well Folks: After swearing that I'd never return to the mailing list, here I am eating a big plate of crow (southern-fried with gravy, that is...). After meeting up with so many great folk at the Okee gathering, I decided to bite my tongue and return to stay in touch with the group (and maybe get some Tangerine Dream news, too )! It's good to see you all again! - jim 'I had a friend who was a clown... when he died, all his friends went to the funeral in one car... ' -- Stephen Wright Jim Moore -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA E-mail: moxica@m... Web Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~moxica From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 7:36 am Subject: SBE 2001 Having read more negative reviews on this list regarding Saturday night's concert than positive, may I take this opportunity to remind everyone (and to inform those who weren't able to attend) that TD received a STANDING OVATION at the end of the show. Both the opening bars and conclusion of virtually every track was met with rapturous applause, and when the stage was finally empty at the end of about 2 and a half hours of continuous music, the audience demanded the band come back on stage and play some more. None of this is my opinion; these are simply the facts. Baring them in mind, does this sound like a concert by a band who have nothing left to offer as a live act? For the record, the reason we see neither Edgar nor Jerome performing much keyboard work live on stage is because they are both guitarists. I'm certainly not defending their lack of 'live' playing durings shows, I'm merely pointing out that, in a similar way to Jean-Michel Jarre (initially trained as a classical guitarist himself), neither Edgar nor Jerome are particularly fluid or skilled pianists. And as much as I loved his contribution to TD, even Chris Franke, by his own admission, is not a keyboard player, but a drummer. In the past, the more complex live playing was left to Schmoelling and Haslinger. In leiu of such a skilled keyboard player, modern TD now 'presents' its music live rather than playing it. In fact, going back to the 70s and 80s concerts, a certain percentage of their live music has always been pre-recorded, whether it be through sequencer loops, complex drum patterns, or effects recorded on tape. In essence, they have always simply played chords, lead lines and some effects over pre-recorded backing rhythms. These days, the backing seems to represent a far greater percentage of what we, the audience, actually hear. And to distract our attention from the fact that a largely static Edgar and Jerome don't seem to be playing too much, we are given lilvely percussionsits and a guitarist to paper over the top of the music to differentiate it from the standard CD versions with which we are so familiar. I know some people will strongly disagree with this, but I for one can live with that. The fact that I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of Saturday's concert is the greatest testament I can offer. And judging by the deafening cheers, whistles and applause at the end of an epic concert, I don't think I was alone either. - Chris Owen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26987 Re: SBE 2001 glynn_naughton@h... Tue 5/15/2001 2 KB 26989 Re: SBE 2001 john@p... Tue 5/15/2001 7 KB From: john@p... Date: Tue May 15, 2001 10:29 am Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush --- In tadream@y..., colin_anderson@e... wrote: > how much of the FFS and FFH shows were really live? I don't think I have any rose-tints here. There's enough evidence in the archive of (looks around to check which list he is on) evil bootleg recordings that I couldn't possibly condone to make a reasonable stab at knowing. FFS: I'd say that they had a /fairly/ high proportion of backing, but were generally playing reasonably significant parts. Example - Liverpool 81, has JS getting carried away and running his Mini solo into EF's guitar bit and has it cruelly cut off. I always had my doubts about the Logos tour mimed but I've recently heard things that have pointed to that being 'real' too. FFH: 86 was, if anything, better that the FFS times. Some real (albeit minor) differences between shows, and PH playing parts that would have been left as sequences in the past. Post 86: Sounds like less got played, but I'd given up, so I'm no expert. Personally I always found the amount on the backing a /little/ disapointing. Comparing the Liverpool 80 concert (which I went to) with the Brussels 80 (which has a lot of extra bits added) it's clear that they could and did do nothing for stretches of the set. I missed the more fully played (and improvised) FFB days, even at the time. But they certainly played enough, and they are still the best concerts I've been to in my life. Today, I don't think anyone expects the entire thing to be played. It doesn't really suit the style of music they are presenting now. But to play nothing, or next to nothing... that's not what musicians do. That's what pop stars do and we laugh at them. Sorry, you pressed a button! jc [ I think this is my first posting here, so an introduction is in order as I don't get a sig when web-posting. I'm John Christian, member of Airsculpture (see www.airsculpture.com). TD fan since about 79, gave up around 86/87 ]. From: 'Keith Richie' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 1:00 pm Subject: Boring Concert News It's sad to hear that the recent TD concert was so bland. I was fortunate to hear them in 1988 when they came to Dallas, Texas USA and played at the Starplex for the Optical Race Tour. This was the only chance I had to see them, and they have not (from my knowledge) returned to the lone star state since then. That concert was pretty good, and at least Edgar got up on stage and played guitar live, and it 'appeared' that Paul Haslinger played the piano live. If they ever come back my way, I will definately go to the concert, but I pray that I don't experience what you guys did at Bush Empire. Later Keith Richie http://www.mp3.com/KeithRichie keithrichie@o... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27011 Re: Boring Concert News Jim Moore Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27019 Re: Boring Concert News goozer@a... Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27020 Re: Boring Concert News PENFOLD Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27014 Re: Boring Concert News Synthhtnys@a... Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27017 Re: Boring Concert News John McIntyre Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27021 Re: Boring Concert News Jim Moore Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon May 14, 2001 11:04 pm Subject: TYRANNY OF BEAUTY On Mon, 14 May 2001 18:04:24 -0400 'E Neal Frost' writes: >If I might be permitted to open up this can 'o' worms...what >is SSOOOOO bad about Tyranny of Beauty? I happen to like >this album, but all I hear in this list is that it is trash. I used to hate it, myself, but it has grown to be one of my fave TD albums. That said, I find that it has an excessive amount of lead guitar noodling that is exhausting for this listener. That's why I said that I wouldn't want three albums in this vein. Besides, TYRANNY OF BEAUTY is one of TD's least electronic albums. >I am not trying to start another flame out over this, but I >am just curious why I should think it is trash as well. You shouldn't think it's trash. That's way too harsh. Besides, 'Catwalk' and 'Quasar' came from this album's sessions, and they are two pre-DREAM MIXES gems! >Some one break it down for me..... Does the above help? >Neal Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 1:55 pm Subject: Memories of Shepherd's Bush part 2: Anyway, on to Harveys (which a lot of people unfortunately didn't realise has a quieter downstairs bar that emptied considerably after the football final was over) and chatted/exchanged CDs and anecdotes with various people from the list such as Heiko Heerssen (Germany), Duncan McKee (UK), Roger Hartopp (Poland), Gier Smedsrud (Norway), Conrad Gibbons (Ireland), Craig Cordrey (Scotland), Marion and others whose names escape me. We also had a quick photo session where a non list member took photo after photo, one each on about 6 different cameras! It was really great to meet you all, it's a pity that it was all so rushed. On to the queue, in which I met a couple of other list members (Glynn Naughton, his friend Mark and Heiko Neumann with his girlfriend). I had met that legendary collector Rainer Rutka earlier in the day so we got chatting again and ended up going into the concert together and sitting in adjacent seats at the front of the first level. What a nice guy, and so knowledgeable about the band, he told me quite a few things I didn't know (for example how many people know that TD were approached by Michael Mann to do the music for the enormously successful TV series 'Miami Vice' but couldn't do it because they were committed to the rather less successful 'Streethawk' at the time?) From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 1:57 pm Subject: Memories of Shepherd's Bush part 3: Poor Rainer was very unlucky when the concert started, he started taking photos with his digital camera at the start of the first track and was immediately dragged away by a female member of security. She tried to confiscate his camera but he eventually persuaded her to give it back (he had a press pass from the magazine 'German Rock'), but he missed the first three songs as a result. I have to say that I was initially surprised about the lack of checks going into the concert, but after that it became clear that they had a 'catch 'em in the act' policy for cameras and recording equipment, judging by the fact that this was not an isolated incident. I saw one the security guards confiscating something from someone right at the front near the stage at one point too. One thing that annoyed me was after 2 hours of being confined to my seat I decided to stand up and lean on the rail. Some guy in his fifties immediately told me to sit down again, a bad sign! I was amazed that most of the audience was catatonic for the majority of the gig considering the danceability of most of the tracks. At least they showed their appreciation between the tracks, but TD's efforts to make dance-oriented music seem to be failing. I wonder if this is because of the nature of the music or the type of fans they have? probably a bit of both. From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 2:02 pm Subject: Memories of Shepherd's Bush part 5: but the concert lasted for 2 hours 45 minutes, the ticket cost less than 20 quid, there were some fantastic moments (the first track of the second set for example, which neither Rainer or myself recognised) and for once the band were smiling and seemed to be enjoying themselves despite being obviously very hot. I got a horrible premonition at the end when Edgar made his speech that he would announce his retirement from the band, but fortunately he didn't. Despite a few stiff bones here and there he can still cut the mustard with the best of them! One last thing. A lot of people queued up by the stage door extremely patiently after the concert (including Rainer) but they were still there 2 hours later when I drove past on the way back to Oxford, was their patience rewarded does anyone know? Paul Fellows (France) From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 1:59 pm Subject: Memories of Shepherd's Bush part 4: I would have danced if it wasn't for the fact that I would have been the odd one out and besides I got the feeling that security were keeping an eagle eye on anyone who so much as moved a muscle. By the way, you should have seen the road crew arriving before the concert, they made Millwall football fans look like kittens! They launched some very fruity language in our direction, we thought they were the local Mafia until they disappeared into the stage door! Did I enjoy the concert? Of course! I think some of the negative comments from some list members are due to the fact that they've seen them live several times before. No-one can say that they're bad musicians or that they weren't trying to entertain the audience with their music. OK, the light show was almost non-existent, the guitarist and percussionist's contributions were sometimes out of context and/or too low/high in the mix (even unnecessary at times?), occasionally the choice of material was rather bizarre in the first half (too much 'Optical Race' for my taste for example) and there was a lot of evidence that the band were miming, particularly apparent when Edgar was moving his hands up and down the keyboard during 'Purple Haze', the band were anything but animated and the sound quality was rather dubious (not their fault I suspect)... From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 2:01 pm Subject: Memories of Shepherd's Bush part 1: Oh great, my message got cut off half way through, so I'll have to send it in 5 parts (sorry for the waste of bandwidth, and for the fact that I didn't realise I had rambled to that extent!): One highlight for me was briefly meeting Edgar purely by chance before the concert. I turned up outside Shepherds Bush Empire at about 2.20 pm. Waiting there was a solitary fan called Steve from near Frankfurt in Germany (not a list member) who told me that Edgar would be there in a few minutes, and sure enough he drew up in a car only 10 minutes later! He was with a tall black lady with long dreadlocked hair, no idea who it was, didn't see her again (half suspected at the time it might have been Jocelyn B Smith who sang on 'Tyger' which would have made an interesting contribution to the concert, but on reflection she didn't resemble the photo on the album sleeve). We rushed past Edgar to the stage door as he was momentarily delayed chatting to someone else (who I later found out was Martin from TDI, wish I'd said hello!) and dived into my bag to find a CD for him to sign, Great Wall of China was the first to come to hand. He actually started speaking to Steve in German, so I made a joke that I couldn't speak German but could speak French if he wanted, he smiled, shook my hand and signed the CD. Steve gave him a framed photo montage of the band in front of a futuristic sculpture in Osnabrück, From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Tue May 15, 2001 2:03 pm Subject: Re: SBE 2001 Hello there, --- In tadream@y..., 'Chris Owen' wrote: >Having read more negative reviews on this list regarding Saturday >night's concert than positive, may I take this opportunity to remind >everyone (and to inform those who weren't able to attend) that TD >received a STANDING OVATION at the end of the show. Yeah, but downstairs was standing only ;-) Actually, I think the consensus has been on the whole positive, certainly more so than '97. I enjoyed it, but obviously not as much as you. Glynn From: Grant.somerville@v... Date: Tue May 15, 2001 7:10 am Subject: Thoughts on SB Hello Phil, Lawry, Paul, Craig and All Thanks for all the reports so far. Right, deep breath, here we go... Having been utterly mad about TD since 1980. This was, unfortunately, the final nail in my TD coffin. I got seated on level 1 and still had my camera with me. Made the mistake of getting some light readings before the house lights went out. Tap on the shoulder, goodbye camera, see you after the show . Curtains open and the setup is as expected with E and J centre stage, percussion to the left and guitar to the right. I'm not going to go through the set as this has been talked about at length already. What was blindingly obvious was the piss piss poor sound mix!! Yeah, it was loud enough, but it was so bland. Occasionally the bass would sound right and rattle you but it was few and far between. And as for those f****** bongos. They appeared to get more prominent in the mix as the set progressed. This is nothing against Iris who was great at what she did and obviously enjoyed herself. It just added nothing for me personally The guitar, on the whole didn't add anything to the proceedings. It got to the point that the 'music' was being swamped by the bongos and the electronic percussion. I may be wrong but I do think that E and J were actually playing. I can't recall a specific example but do remember thinking that what they were doing with the keyboards matched what I was hearing at some points. It was nice to see some interaction between father and son and when they went into Diamonds and Dust Edgar looked to the crowd and gave them a thumbs up as if to say this is the bit he liked best. Me too, Edgar. It got a huge cheer from the crowd as well. When all is said and done, I think I got what I expected musically. But somebody, somewhere needs to employ a competent sound engineer for the mixing desk. I too, left SB feeling quite let down. Somewhere deep within, I still had had a hope that what I was looking for musically would become reality, but it was not to be. Going off on a tangent for a second, the DM3 cd is very, very good. I always worry when I see that the cd was mastered by you know who using you know what. The sound quality is stonking. With how I feel at the moment, I won't be doing any more 900 mile driving trips. But never say never. I have driven 450 miles round trip to Jodrell Bank three times this year and on each occasion have had a far,far better experience than the one I got at SB last weekend. All IMHO Kind Regards, Grant S. From: john@p... Date: Tue May 15, 2001 2:30 pm Subject: Re: SBE 2001 For the record, I have no problem with people still worshiping every note that TD produce. It no longer works for me, and so - quite simply - I resisted the urge to go to see them for old times sake. I also have a big downer on bands who mime. Again, for people who don't mind: No problem. But there's some things here I *have* to respond to. I can't help myself. I know should keep out of this... --- In tadream@y..., 'Chris Owen' wrote: > TD received a STANDING OVATION at the end of the show [...] does this sound like a concert by a band who have nothing left to offer as a live act? I don't know how relevant this is. It's quite obvious from the postings here and elsewhere that a lot of the people loved the concert. But compare this - filling (?) a smallish London theatre with selling out the Hammersmith Odeon at the end of a multi-venue UK tour. They clearly have nothing (or much less) to offer the tens of thousands of people who didn't bother showing up. > For the record, the reason we see neither Edgar nor Jerome performing much keyboard work live on stage is because they are both guitarists. Eh? Edgar has been playing keyboards for decades. The fact he played guitar earlier doesn't really change that. If Jerome is a guitarist, then why do they hire in a session player to do the guitar parts? > I'm certainly not defending their lack of 'live' playing durings shows, I'm merely pointing out that, in a similar way to Jean-Michel Jarre (initially trained as a classical guitarist himself), neither Edgar nor Jerome are particularly fluid or skilled pianists. And the music on offer is not so technically demanding that they shouldn't be able to play it. > And as much as I loved his contribution to TD, even Chris Franke, by his own admission, is not a keyboard player, but a drummer. Maybe he said that, but he's clearly a keyboard player and synthesist. Maybe he was just being modest. Anyway, by this logic he'd be a trumpeter. > In the past, the more complex live playing was left to Schmoelling and Haslinger. Agreed, the 'third man' has generally been someone who can handle more pyrotechnic parts. But that's a long way from saying the others can't play anything. What about Edgar's Monolight piano solo? And things like JS's Logos solos, which I suspect only he could play, were composed for and probably by him. How many parts like that are in the current set (and if any, why?). > In leiu of such a skilled keyboard player, modern TD now 'presents' its music live rather than playing it. Fine, but the people who are complaining are complaining *because* of that. For those who find that acceptable, enjoy. > In fact, going back to the 70s and 80s concerts, a certain percentage of their live music has always been pre-recorded, whether it be through sequencer loops, complex drum patterns, or effects recorded on tape. I've covered that in my last post, if it ever creeps through moderation. > In essence, they have always simply played chords, lead lines and some effects over pre-recorded backing rhythms. Chords + lead lines + effects. That's called music. Apart from percussion and singing it really covers all the things you could possibly play. When I last saw them (Bush I) they didn't seem to be playing anything that was a significant part of the music (and possibly nothing). From what I can tell from the postings, this time they didn't play anything. That's a BIG difference to some backings. For most of the 70s the sequencer was part of the performance, too. > These days, the backing seems to represent a far greater percentage of what we, the audience, actually hear. 100% is a qualatative difference, not just quantative. > And to distract our attention from the fact that a largely static Edgar and Jerome don't seem to be playing too much, we are given lilvely percussionsits and a guitarist to paper over the top of the music to differentiate it from the standard CD versions with which we are so familiar. This is really making the most of a bad job! You can go and see thousands of bands with a percussionist and a guitarist. Surely you go to see TD for TD, not the guests. And when I went to see TD, one of their great strengths was presenting new, often never to be released music. Each concert (or later, tour) was something special. > I know some people will strongly disagree with this, Oh yes! Please don't take it personally, that's for E&J :) > The fact that I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of Saturday's concert is the greatest testament I can offer. Can't ask for more than that. jc From: jshoults@f... Date: Tue May 15, 2001 2:52 pm Subject: miming and such (warning: long) OK, there's a lot of people who believe that TD 'mimes' playing- that they don't really 'play' during a concert, but rely on (presumably) DAT or other datasource. Of course, this is viewed as an egregious art crime, just short of plagiarism, 'not really playing', and challenges their status as artists or performers or whatever. I'm wondering just where one would draw the line on this definition when you consider that there are two extremes: 1) manually playing an analog instrument 2) simply hitting the 'play' button on a boombox onstage (didn't Kraftwerk do that once?) Depending perhaps on how familiar you are with TD's software, you may believe they lie anywhere along the line between these two extremes. We're talking about synthesizers here, instruments that process sound, or emit sounds in a way that one may not be able to do naturally (see #1). **It is all about making more sound -in a controlled fashion- with less effort, isn't it?** If there is a type of synthesizer (read: computer) that is capable of not only creating the sound, but arranging it and emitting it in a certain way, are you suggesting that the artist should not use it to its fullest capability? What I mean is how much do you really know about how TD makes the sounds happen onstage? You assume that because you don't see their hands make every note happen that is is 'less' than if they manually produced every single note? Would it make you happier if they had never used sequencers at all? How about if they played every friggin single note of every sequence? How about if they hired even more session musicians to play lots of notes for them? How sure are you that they haven't gotten there synthetically? Edgar has eaten, breathed and lived synthesizers for 30 years. He's seen the mechanical tape-loop and air-driven kinds to the cheezy jap- pop midi kinds to the kind that exist only in software. It's not like he hasn't done his homework on how to make more sounds with less effort. Remember the 'E-ball'? Does anybody know about Todd Rundgren's project several years back where he could make many coordinated musical sounds happen at once, all from a one-person control console? Has anyone here imagined themselves playing TD's music all by themselves, despite the fact that it is usually 3 people making it happen? I've closed my eyes and imagined what it would take in my mind: Virtual Reality goggles and gloves that allowed you to control sequences all over your field of vision. You could manually move sequences by drag and drop, and you could see the entire timeline of the music, and move sequences around, make them fade in and out, stretch them, shape them for envelope effects, blend them, etc, doing it all visually and manually - like object oriented programming, in a way. Given that TD is steeped in the technology that could make this *kind* of thing possible, how near do you think TD can get to that? Purists, stuck in their 'you are only allowed a simple, one- instrument, 10-note sequence per person at any given time to still be considered a true electronic musician' mode, would shun the idea of object-zing chunks of musical code for assembly in real-time for a performance. Purists would rather hear what could be only produced by two musicians, with two hands each, and only as fast as they could manually flip the dials and switches- as if this is somehow more 'organic' and therefore, more legitimate. They would also refuse to believe that perhaps Edgar and Jerome, who was weaned on his dad's technology and presumably had the most significant learning environment access to musical technology that ANY kid ever has had, anywhere, would be incapable of devising a system of creating sounds that defied a purists understanding. ( i know that last sentence was poorly constructed; maybe I should use MS Word grammar-checker, eh? get it?) I guess, what I'm getting at is that for all the accusations about miming, do you REALLY know how all the sounds are generated? I mean really? And let's face it- miming is a bad thing. It is fake, it is false, one may even consider it 'fraud', since you are ostensibly coming to see a 'performance'. But what do you really know about the technology being used, and how sure are you that it is not being used in a way that you are not familiar with? The reason that I'm saying all this is that I see a lot of accusations, but never an acknowledgement that Edgar could possibly know more about how to do this than the accusers. I mean, come on: most of you have day jobs, right? You don't get up every day and go to an office for the last 30 years that consists of cutting edge music technology - presumably the best that money could buy- do you? Thanks for listening, Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26992 Re: miming and such (warning: long) Marcel Engels Tue 5/15/2001 4 KB 26993 Re: miming and such (warning: long) Matthew Stringer Tue 5/15/2001 4 KB 27001 Re: miming and such (warning: long) glynn_naughton@h... Wed 5/16/2001 5 KB 27119 Re: miming and such (warning: long) lawlermusic Mon 5/21/2001 4 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 4:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Shepherds Bush > From: colin_anderson@e... [mailto:colin_anderson@e...] > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:41 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Shepherds Bush > > I guess it's easy for us to have a go at TD these days when it comes > to them playing 'live' (and the concerning thing is they set > themselves right up for the negative comments and don't seem to worry > about it) but how much of the FFS and FFH shows were really live? I'm > not saying that they weren't, or that the current performances are > acceptable, but are we looking back on past shows with the old rose- > tinted specs on and thinking that they were more live than they > actually were? Well listen to the tapes... Yes they were live. At least up until Poland or so. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 4:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] miming and such (warning: long) > From: jshoults@f... [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Is there is a type > of synthesizer (read: computer) that is capable of not only creating > the sound, but arranging it and emitting it in a certain way, are you > suggesting that the artist should not use it to its fullest > capability? There isn't...and if there was, then it isn't playing. > What I mean is how much do you really know about > how TD makes the sounds happen onstage? There is no secret things they use. > Virtual Reality > goggles and gloves that allowed you to control sequences all over > your field of vision. You could manually move sequences by drag and > drop, and you could see the entire timeline of the music, and move > sequences around, make them fade in and out, stretch them, shape them > for envelope effects, blend them, etc, doing it all visually and > manually - like object oriented programming, in a way. Given > that TD is steeped in the technology that could make this *kind* > of thing possible, how near do you think TD can get to that? This is exactly what Chris did in the 70s with the analog sequencers...fade in/out, blend in/out, stretching, skipping/muting, reversing sequences etc etc...things you don't hear now because it is all fixed. They can't decide if a passage is going great that they want to extend it a little bit... > Purists, stuck in their 'you are only allowed a simple, one- > instrument, 10-note sequence per person at any given time to > still be considered a true electronic > musician' mode, would shun the idea of object-zing chunks of musical > code for assembly in real-time for a performance. Hmmm I won't comment on that I think. > I guess, what I'm getting at is that for all the accusations about > miming, do you REALLY know how all the sounds are generated? Yes. > I mean > really? Yes, really. > But what do you really know about the technology > being used, and how sure are you that it is not being used in a way > that you are not familiar with? Again...there are no secrets about their gear. There's no alien technology here. :-) > You don't get up every day and go > to an office for the last 30 years that consists of cutting edge > music technology - presumably the best that money could buy- do you? Cutting edge? They mostly use Nemesys Gigasampler as they said in an interview. Technology is not the answer I believe...technology doesn't make music. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 4:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] miming and such (warning: long) >I guess, what I'm getting at is that for all the accusations about >miming, do you REALLY know how all the sounds are generated? I mean >really? Yes. >And let's face it- miming is a bad thing. It is fake, it is >false, one may even consider it 'fraud', since you are ostensibly coming to see >a 'performance'. But what do you really know about the technology >being used, and how sure are you that it is not being used in a way >that you are not familiar with? It's not a fraud, they can play and create all their music in the studio, the problem is that there is little else for them to do live as a result, Band like the Orb use live mixing where all their music is pre done at the studio and they live mix all the loops and samples etc on stage, which works quite well. >The reason that I'm saying all this is that I see a lot of >accusations, but never an acknowledgement that Edgar could possibly >know more about how to do this than the accusers. I mean, come on: >most of you have day jobs, right? You don't get up every day and go >to an office for the last 30 years that consists of cutting edge music technology - >presumably the best that money could buy- do you? E&J know more about electronic music than I do (DWT's is proof of that!), but there is little performance left in a live TD show, which is upsetting for some. The music that night was great, I didn't expect anything else so I wasn't disappointed. I for one is still a TD fan :) Matt ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Richard F Date: Tue May 15, 2001 8:13 pm Subject: Anyone ever heard of 'Paul Brookes' Hi all Sorry to break the thread on the concert (the pleurisy is clearing up slowly) but as I've had so much time on my hand the last week and a half I decided to list ALL of my LP's, singles, tour programs etc. so I can sell them. Whilst going through the albums I came across one that brought back very good memories. It is 'old' electronic music, very musical and tuneful as memory serves correct. The details are: Paul Brookes Steps From Beyond State Records: ETAT 21 1978 The cover is very Sci-fi with steps going up into the sky, and a planet with rings and a space ship in-between them. Does anyone know of this guy, and if he is still around. I would love this album on CD, or anything else by him. Fingers crossed -- Richard F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: jowers Date: Tue May 15, 2001 11:19 pm Subject: A Question About The Bush So with all the tight security happening during the show, did anybody manage not to get caught taping??? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27002 Re: A Question About The Bush Brian Stewart Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB From: Feldon Feldon Date: Wed May 16, 2001 12:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepherds Bush I've seen enough videotapes with closeups of keyboards playing on fingers, and some of the artists here on this list are familiar enough with TD's old equipment to know what was played live. Plus you can hear screwed up notes on various equipment. PLUS, the simple fact of the equipment that they brought with them makes a point on its own. And up until 1980, TD concerts always had at least half-improvised pieces, which were never played the same way twice. Even in 1986, if you listen to Albuquerque 86 or Paris 86, they played a TON of improvised bits. -Morgan At 09:40 AM 5/15/2001 +0000, you wrote: >I guess it's easy for us to have a go at TD these days when it comes >to them playing 'live' (and the concerning thing is they set >themselves right up for the negative comments and don't seem to worry >about it) but how much of the FFS and FFH shows were really live? I'm >not saying that they weren't, or that the current performances are >acceptable, but are we looking back on past shows with the old rose- >tinted specs on and thinking that they were more live than they >actually were? > > > > >---------------------------------------------------~-~ >Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! >Details at http://www.tadream.net >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de >Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Vic Rek Date: Wed May 16, 2001 4:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Never Say Never Again + Oke 2001 + Bush III Hi Jim Moore and John Christian! Welcome (back) to the list! It looks like you joined at a good time when things have picked up a bit since the Bush III show happened last Saturday. I wish I could have been there! Today I've really enjoyed savoring all the posts of Bush III and the 'live playing' discussions, especially John's and Marcel's comments, since I DO know that they know how to play EM, and live too as well :-) You can verify this by picking up the Okefenokee Dreams 2001 CD when it is released sometime later this year. And a note to the Oke 2001 attendees, the promo CDs should be completed and in the mail within a week. I also read in one post that Marion was there? Great! I'd like to hear her Bush III story as well. And speaking of stories, I still need to post my experience at Oke-2001. I hope that we can double the attendance next year to around 32 - so start planning for next spring (more info in the upcoming weeks). So, a big thank you to all of you that have posted your comments about your Bush III experience. I think I would have enjoyed it and I now feel that I was somewhat 'there'. Also, did I miss any posts describing what happened to the confiscated cameras/recorders? Were they returned after the show? Vic Jim Moore wrote: > Well Folks: > > After swearing that I'd never return to the mailing list, here I am eating a > big plate of crow (southern-fried with gravy, that is...). After meeting up > with so many great folk at the Okee gathering, I decided to bite my tongue > and return to stay in touch with the group (and maybe get some Tangerine > Dream news, too )! > > It's good to see you all again! > > - jim > From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Wed May 16, 2001 6:10 am Subject: DM 3 + SBE Hi all, picture`s from the new releases Dream Mixes III please follow the link: http://www.opticaldream.de/dream/DM3.htm Sorry to all TD Fan`s that I am was not on the Pub to the pre-Show Party, but my girlfriend was the first in London and she want to go to all sightseeings of London. I hope that is okay, then I talk with Paul Fellows, Duncan Mckee, Rainer Rutka and I saw Conrad Gibbons on Oxford Street. Cheer`s heiko www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Armin Theissen' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 6:56 am Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush Mini Report On pictures like this it seems that Edgar Froese is closely related to a certain Dieter Bohlen... (germans here will know what I'm pointing at). armin > > > >Thanks for the nice and quick report. You got me interested in that > drummer. > >Did she look like any of these folks at this link :-) > >http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/dm3.jpg ??? > > > >Vic From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed May 16, 2001 8:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Shepherds Bush Mini Report > On pictures like this it seems that Edgar Froese is closely > related to a certain Dieter Bohlen... (germans here will know > what I'm pointing at). Armin just discovered the horrible truth...Edgar is in fact the main man behind TD _and_ Modern Talking! :-0 Heiko From: glynn_naughton@h... Date: Wed May 16, 2001 8:36 am Subject: Re: miming and such (warning: long) --- In tadream@y..., jshoults@f... wrote: > capability? What I mean is how much do you really know about > how TD makes the sounds happen onstage? You assume that because you > don't see their hands make every note happen that is is 'less' than > if they manually produced every single note? Would it make you > happier if they had never used sequencers at all? How about if they > played every friggin single note of every sequence? How about if > they hired even more session musicians to play lots of notes for > them? How sure are you that they haven't gotten there synthetically? Sometimes people complain when TD use any sequencing at all, which I think is absurd. When you think back to what first got you interested in EM, I bet that the majority of people would say - the sequences. There's something spine-tingling about a really good sequence chugging away. The difference for me is that in the old days the harsh right-angles of the sequences were softened by the smooth, warm curves of real playing above them. It was that contrast that gave this music its appeal. > I guess, what I'm getting at is that for all the accusations about > miming, do you REALLY know how all the sounds are generated? I mean > really? And let's face it- miming is a bad thing. It is fake, it is > false, one may even consider it 'fraud', since you are ostensibly coming to see > a 'performance'. But what do you really know about the technology > being used, and how sure are you that it is not being used in a way > that you are not familiar with? > > The reason that I'm saying all this is that I see a lot of > accusations, but never an acknowledgement that Edgar could possibly > know more about how to do this than the accusers. I mean, come on: > most of you have day jobs, right? You don't get up every day and go > to an office for the last 30 years that consists of cutting edge music technology - > presumably the best that money could buy- do you? I take your point, but I think that you're making the mistake that Edgar makes in thinking that TD's music, and how TD produces that music, is far more complex than it actually is. (Remember about a year ago when he got up on his high horse and we had a good giggle about it?) I don't know much or anything about the gear that they use, but I do know something about music. When I go to a TD show, providing I can get a good view of Edgar and Jerome's hands, I think I can use my common sense to make a judgement as to how much their actions are actually influencing what is coming out of the speakers. In purely *musical* terms, that influence is clearly zero or almost zero - i.e. they are not 'playing' in the traditional sense. In technological terms, it could be that they are manipulating the gear in ways that I just don't understand. But I don't think so. Not wanting to rub it in, but you haven't seen Jerome on stage. His hands rest limply on the keyboard, often not even pressing the keys. Maybe once every fifteen minutes he presses a button on the computer console. Unless he is using some kind of system whereby he changes parameters using brain-waves or eye-movements I don't see how he could possibly be influencing the music. On the technological side, TD's gear is no longer beyond the budget and comprehension of ordinary musicians. From my understanding, Marcel et al are using similar stuff, although I'm sure not as much of it, and are perfectly able to see how TD's setup fits together. The days when Chris Franke, backed by his huge boxes of twinkling lights, was like a being from another planet manipulating unknowable futuristic technology, are over. > Joe Glynn From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 8:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A Question About The Bush Hi Security was less strict in the standing area, there were several people sporting microphones down there. I was in sight of a number of bouncers, none of whom objected to my camera. Best wishes Brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 10:33 am Subject: Test Stream. Hi if any of you are bored at the moment and have Windows Media Player 7 installed, I'm testing a Streaming server at the mo. If you go to mms://windowsstream.core.firstnet.net.uk/livestream you should hear I-Box disk 3 playing. Ta. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Tom Richmond [mailto:trichmond@b...] Sent: 08 May 2001 17:09 To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com'; 'tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com' Subject: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales tree Hello everyone: Glad to see some reviews of DT showing up on the list. Sorry to hear there are still people waiting for copies... Anyone who still doesn't have their copy or didn't sign up but would like one, feel free to contact me directly to make arrangements to get one. Also feel free to contact anyone you know who has one and ask if they can copy it for you. Apparently some branches of the tree have been less than stellar in fulfilling their responsibilities. This has been noted for future reference. This is the last time I'm posting to the list regarding the subject, so I'd like to make a few comments: A tree is supposed to be a very efficient way to distribute these kind of things, presuming that all who volunteer to do copies for others do so in a timely manner. Some branches were completed in as little as a couple weeks. My thanks to those who handled things efficiently. All participants (leaves and branches) have the responsibility to communicate with those they are connected to in the tree. In those places where the tree was delayed or broke down entirely, this communication isn't/wasn't taking place. I know people have lives outside of these mailing lists - at least I hope they do. ;-) So, in the future, if you don't have the time to be a branch, please don't volunteer to be one. I had plenty of branch volunteers that ended up as leaves just because I didn't need them all. I didn't have any reason to prefer one person to another, except for location. Now I have a bit more info as to who can be relied upon for next time. My apologies to those still waiting. Please contact me directly if you're still in need of a copy, or if you're new to the list and are interested in getting one. Thanks for listening. All further discussion of the DT distribution will be off-list. I don't want to waste any more bandwidth on it. Cheers! Tom ___________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27004 Re: Test Stream. Richard F Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27006 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27007 Re: Test Stream. Richard F Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27009 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27008 Re: Test Stream. Duncan McKee Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27041 Re: Test Stream. Feldon Feldon Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27050 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB From: Richard F Date: Wed May 16, 2001 10:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Test Stream. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In message , Matthew Stringer writes >Hi if any of you are bored at the moment and have Windows Media Player 7 >installed, I'm testing a Streaming server at the mo. >If you go to mms://windowsstream.core.firstnet.net.uk/livestream you should >hear I-Box disk 3 playing. Is this address correct. All I get is basically 'unable to find server' message. - -- Richard F -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOwJcVzBWmWbUzpzAEQIkBwCg9B9bU7Fk1Ux0DL+AZTamKZk8/OQAoIa1 L2uedrv/PekydnXWJkPKNldd =E9cJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27006 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27007 Re: Test Stream. Richard F Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27009 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27008 Re: Test Stream. Duncan McKee Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27041 Re: Test Stream. Feldon Feldon Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27050 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed May 16, 2001 10:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Test Stream. Matthew Stringer wrote: > > Hi if any of you are bored at the moment and have Windows Media Player 7 > installed, I'm testing a Streaming server at the mo. > If you go to mms://windowsstream.core.firstnet.net.uk/livestream you should > hear I-Box disk 3 playing. Yes, I can hear it. A few interruptions now and then, but probably it's because of net congestion or because I'm using Windows Media Player 6.4. Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27023 Re: Test Stream. Jim Moore Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27035 Re: Test Stream. Phil White Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27055 Re: Test Stream. john@p... Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27062 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB 27049 Re: Test Stream. Phil White Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27067 Re: Test Stream. Phil White Fri 5/18/2001 3 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 11:02 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Test Stream. You could try mms://212.103.224.48/livestream I'm not sure if DNS has propagated yet. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Richard F [mailto:theroom@b...] Sent: 16 May 2001 11:54 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Cc: tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Test Stream. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In message , Matthew Stringer writes >Hi if any of you are bored at the moment and have Windows Media Player 7 >installed, I'm testing a Streaming server at the mo. >If you go to mms://windowsstream.core.firstnet.net.uk/livestream you should >hear I-Box disk 3 playing. Is this address correct. All I get is basically 'unable to find server' message. - -- Richard F -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOwJcVzBWmWbUzpzAEQIkBwCg9B9bU7Fk1Ux0DL+AZTamKZk8/OQAoIa1 L2uedrv/PekydnXWJkPKNldd =E9cJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27007 Re: Test Stream. Richard F Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB 27009 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27008 Re: Test Stream. Duncan McKee Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27041 Re: Test Stream. Feldon Feldon Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27050 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB From: Richard F Date: Wed May 16, 2001 11:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Test Stream. In message , Matthew Stringer writes >You could try mms://212.103.224.48/livestream I'm not sure if DNS has >propagated yet. > >Matt Still no joy. Thanks anyway. By the way, why is it mms?. Should there be www in front of it? -- Richard F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27009 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB From: 'Duncan McKee' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 11:28 am Subject: Re: Test Stream. hi works fine for me but a few break ups. but i only have a 56k modem, maybe a cable modem will work better duncan --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Stringer' wrote: > You could try mms://212.103.224.48/livestream I'm not sure if DNS has > propagated yet. > > Matt > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard F [mailto:theroom@b...] > Sent: 16 May 2001 11:54 > To: tadream@y... > Cc: tangerinedream@y... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Test Stream. > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > In message , Matthew > Stringer writes > >Hi if any of you are bored at the moment and have Windows Media Player 7 > >installed, I'm testing a Streaming server at the mo. > >If you go to mms://windowsstream.core.firstnet.net.uk/livestream you should > >hear I-Box disk 3 playing. > > > Is this address correct. All I get is basically 'unable to find server' > message. > - -- > Richard F > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 > > iQA/AwUBOwJcVzBWmWbUzpzAEQIkBwCg9B9bU7Fk1Ux0DL+AZTamKZk8/OQAoIa1 > L2uedrv/PekydnXWJkPKNldd > =E9cJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27041 Re: Test Stream. Feldon Feldon Thu 5/17/2001 2 KB 27050 Re: Test Stream. Matthew Stringer Thu 5/17/2001 3 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 11:45 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Test Stream. mms is Microsoft Multimedia Stream and you need Microsoft Media Player to use it, if you type this into a browser it should open Media Player, if not you can open a URL from MP and connect from there. Cheers Matt -----Original Message----- From: Richard F [mailto:theroom@b...] Sent: 16 May 2001 12:15 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Test Stream. In message , Matthew Stringer writes >You could try mms://212.103.224.48/livestream I'm not sure if DNS has >propagated yet. > >Matt Still no joy. Thanks anyway. By the way, why is it mms?. Should there be www in front of it? -- Richard F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------~-~ Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! Details at http://www.tadream.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed May 16, 2001 12:35 pm Subject: Fwd: Re: Test Stream > Great, that worked, Thanks. It breaks up a bit. I'm using 64K ISDN. What > rate are you transmitting? > -- > Richard F From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue May 15, 2001 11:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Boring Concert News > I was fortunate to hear them in 1988 when they came to Dallas, > Texas USA and > played at the Starplex for the Optical Race Tour. This was the > only chance > I had to see them, and they have not (from my knowledge) returned to the > lone star state since then. That concert was pretty good, and at least > Edgar got up on stage and played guitar live, and it 'appeared' that Paul > Haslinger played the piano live. Hey! I was at this show! I wonder if Andy Summers got heckled at any of the other concerts on the tour... - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27019 Re: Boring Concert News goozer@a... Wed 5/16/2001 3 KB 27020 Re: Boring Concert News PENFOLD Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Tue May 15, 2001 10:55 pm Subject: Re: Anyone ever heard of 'Paul Brookes' I have 'Steps From Beyond' on LP and there's some good stuff on it. I met Paul Brookes some years ago when he was doing some demo work for Korg UK. The LP was from the distant past even then, so he wasn't very enthusiastic about it :-) But I believe he was busy as a session musician. Don't know if he's active now, and no chance of the album being on CD I don't think. There are quite a few such one-off classic LP's of synth music. I always liked 'The Last Survivors' by Philip J. Wells, who I think went off into a much more New Age oriented style. More on subject for the group, there's an alternative take on TD/'Tyranny of Beauty' remixes on the 'A Future Age of Music' compilation. This re-edits 'Catwalk' into a 'Short Walk' version, making it a bit more concise without dancifying it. No idea who was responsible for this excellent edit though ;-) http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html Richard F wrote: > Hi all > > Sorry to break the thread on the concert (the pleurisy is clearing up > slowly) but as I've had so much time on my hand the last week and a half > I decided to list ALL of my LP's, singles, tour programs etc. so I can > sell them. > > Whilst going through the albums I came across one that brought back very > good memories. It is 'old' electronic music, very musical and tuneful as > memory serves correct. The details are: > > Paul Brookes > Steps From Beyond > > State Records: ETAT 21 > 1978 > > The cover is very Sci-fi with steps going up into the sky, and a planet > with rings and a space ship in-between them. > > Does anyone know of this guy, and if he is still around. I would love > this album on CD, or anything else by him. > > Fingers crossed > > -- > Richard F > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27081 Re: Anyone ever heard of 'Paul Brookes' Thenite0wl@a... Fri 5/18/2001 2 KB From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue May 15, 2001 5:47 pm Subject: Milli Vanilli syndrome On Tue, 15 May 2001 14:52:54 -0000 jshoults@f... writes: >OK, there's a lot of people who believe that TD 'mimes' >playing- that they don't really 'play' during a concert, >but rely on (presumably) DAT or other datasource. Of >course, this is viewed as an egregious art crime, just >short of plagiarism, 'not really playing', and challenges >their status as artists or performers or whatever. Yep. Milli Vanilli syndrome. > I'm wondering just where one would draw the line on this >definition when you consider that there are two extremes: > 1) manually playing an analog instrument > 2) simply hitting the 'play' button on a boombox onstage >(didn't Kraftwerk do that once?) Nice to see that Kraftwerk predated Milli Vanilli. ;) -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed May 16, 2001 1:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Boring Concert News Hey! I was at this show! I wonder if Andy Summers got heckled at any of the other concerts on the tour... *Now that you mention it I think he did in Portland Oregon of the same tour... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed May 16, 2001 2:13 pm Subject: What happened to www.tadream.net? Today when I try to visit http://www.tadream.net all I get is a BigRed.com page. Has this anything to do with Chinese hackers? ;-) Antonio From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 2:57 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] What happened to www.tadream.net? No response here either, but apparently there is a major overhaul in progress at the moment, perhaps it's in the process of being updated... Paul ---------- >De : Antonio Nunes >À : tadream >Objet : [tadream] What happened to www.tadream.net? >Date : Mer 16 mai 2001 16:13 > > Today when I try to visit http://www.tadream.net all I get is a > BigRed.com page. Has this anything to do with Chinese hackers? ;-) > > Antonio > > ---------------------------------------------------~-~ > Meet with us before TD's gig at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London! > Details at http://www.tadream.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website: http://www.johannesschmoelling.de > Check it out for news about the legendary Ex-TD-member! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@egroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27022 Re: Re : [tadream] What happened to www.tadream.n Joe Shoults Wed 5/16/2001 2 KB From: John McIntyre Date: Wed May 16, 2001 3:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Boring Concert News Jim Moore wrote: > Hey! I was at this show! I wonder if Andy Summers got heckled at any > of the other concerts on the tour... At Pine Knob (outdoor theater near Detroit) he got such a good response that he joked about moving to the area. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 5:00 pm Subject: RE: miming and such Hey Dreamers, I think that the band just got really smart, one way to kill the bootlegs is to play the exact same thing each time. Why would I want to hear all the different concerts then? I could just buy the CD. ;) I like artists that are moody and inspired in their creations. I believe the initial creations of new TD have inspiration and mood behind them. Some in the audience seemed to miss their ability to be part of the creation process, to see the moment inspire the performance, Iris sounds like she had fun. Seeing the musician that showed up at the swamp gathering was educational for me. They spent time crafting their timbres, preparing the sequences, deciding which parameters they would like to tweak during the performance. Then the performance itself, creating space for others to play, the improvisation. The musicians couldn't play the same thing again, well maybe some of the solos could be closly reproduced, but not the collaboration and mix. The improvising style is very intimate in a live setting, its also risky, moments of terror, confusion and extreme beauty. Kind of like life. I have been listening to a lot of old TD fan concerts tapes, pure magic to me. It is so wonderful listening to how some of my favorite TD pieces evolved into the tracks released on CD. For some reason the differences are what make fan tapes so special to me. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: goozer@a... Date: Wed May 16, 2001 5:04 pm Subject: Re: Boring Concert News --- In tadream@y..., 'Jim Moore' wrote: > > I was fortunate to hear them in 1988 when they came to Dallas, > > Texas USA and > > played at the Starplex for the Optical Race Tour. This was the > > only chance > > I had to see them, and they have not (from my knowledge) returned to the > > lone star state since then. That concert was pretty good, and at least > > Edgar got up on stage and played guitar live, and it 'appeared' that Paul > > Haslinger played the piano live. > > Hey! I was at this show! I wonder if Andy Summers got heckled at any > of the other concerts on the tour... > > - jim Me too! 3rd row, center, Section 102 (15 ft. from stage.) I recall that Andy was getting a lot of strange looks from the crowd-it was a free concert and while perhaps half of them knew who TD was, I would bet that most of them had *never* heard Andy's solo stuff. I distinctly remember one of his comments from the stage, directed at one of the soundboard guys apparantly (he was having some monitor problems): '(forgot his name)...f*@$ off!!' I wonder if they'll do the Red Jacket here on the upcoming club tour....:) goozer From: PENFOLD Date: Wed May 16, 2001 5:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Boring Concert News At 01.05.15 19:25, Jim Moore wrote: >Hey! I was at this show! I wonder if Andy Summers got heckled at any >of the other concerts on the tour... Andy Summers also got heckled at the Wiltern Theatre in Los Angeles. It's what he deserved. He spent a pointless 45 minutes of what appeared to be aimless grinding of his axe and he had *no* stage personality! Pete Isaacson mailto:penfold@a... aka PENFOLD aka DJ DreamHead Saw a copy of 'The Keep' in Tower Records, held it in my hands, didn't have the money.....damn!!!!! From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Boring Concert News From: > > > I was fortunate to hear them in 1988 when they came to Dallas, > > > Texas USA and > > > played at the Starplex for the Optical Race Tour. This was the > I wonder if they'll do the Red Jacket here on the upcoming club tour....:) I was a few rows behind you, I recall... I'm no longer living in the big 'D', I'm in Atlanta, now. If they visit us, I'm guessing Variety Playhouse or Earthlink/Centerstage... Fox would be cool, though... - jim From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed May 16, 2001 5:00 pm Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] What happened to www.tadream.net? sorry for the glitch... something apparently with internic... until it is resolved, you can go here: http://yourplacepc.com/tadream/tadream.net/ I don't get a bigred.com page. don't know what that's about... Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Fellows [mailto:pfellows@c...] > No response here either, but apparently there is a major overhaul in > progress at the moment, perhaps it's in the process of being > updated... > > Paul > > ---------- > >De : Antonio Nunes > > > Today when I try to visit http://www.tadream.net all I get is a > > BigRed.com page. Has this anything to do with Chinese hackers? ;-) > > From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed May 16, 2001 6:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Test Stream. Cool beans, Matt! Helps a long day at work! - jim > You could try mms://212.103.224.48/livestream I'm not sure if DNS has > propagated yet. > > Matt