From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Sun May 14, 2000 11:51 am Subject: test Test please ignore New Home E Mail Address Nick.Adams@e... Work Nick.Adams@p... ICQ 44174543 From: tweibre361@a... Date: Tue May 16, 2000 2:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 505 In a message dated 5/16/00 04:43:52 Eastern Daylight Time, tadream@egroups.com writes: << THANK YOU! This is exactly the kind of response I was looking for -- I'll go check out some of those artists (thank God for the Internet and soundclips!) and get back to you. >> and here's a few more (apologies if they have been mentioned): pole monolake the voigt brothers(working under innumerable aliases, primarily 'the modernist') amon tobin kid 606 mick harris thomas brinkmann air liquide khan atom heart and of course, the eternal muslimgauze... tom w np: abstract depressionism From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue May 16, 2000 2:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] You lost me at #3 I think most of us here would appreciate it if everybody would just wait before hitting that 'Send' button. When a thread gets personal, or you think you have something to defend, please step back before responding and weigh YOUR post versus the interest of the WHOLE tadream list. That includes this message, as well, so if you think this post is directed to YOU, do not respond to me on-list. There is no need to save face here; in fact, you *lose* face by trying to save it. Thanks, Joe From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Tue May 16, 2000 2:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] You lost me at #3 > There is no need to save face here; in fact, you *lose* face by trying to > save it. Not to mention that it just plain sux to have to read this crap continously... Let's talk music and leave the opionated personal attacks out. Trust me, there is NOT a throng of people out here saying 'yeah!!!' to everything you write, so if it gets personal go offlist. For this to be a pretty small list where we all kinda know who is who, it sure is a lot nastier than most other lists I am on. Maybe its a 'family feud' type of thing, or maybe it is just that we are all pretty intense about our music, but whatever it is, it gets pretty boring to read this day in and day out. Now I shall climb down off my soapbox.... Craig NP: PF Frankfurt 1.27.77 (WOW!) From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Tue May 16, 2000 3:27 pm Subject: 4 for the price of 1 Thanks for helping me out with the meaning of OST. Today I am offering four subjects stuffed into just one message. A good deal I guess. 1) Just want to say that I find it a shame if people jump off the list because they like this or that music, this or that kind of TD etc. and feel unwanted for voicing their opinions. Criticism is a healthy sign of a thinking individual and I for one wouldn't want to be on a list where you are not allowed to express your opinions. So stay on everyone but let's focus on subject instead of person. 2) Very short about setting up new homepages with relation to TD: As much as I enjoy the official site, I have found a lot of valuable info. about the group on the homepages of various fans. I remember back in the seventies when fanzines of varied quality and actuality was the best source for information. Now, you can find updated answers to almost all your questions a couple of clicks away so I am grateful for a number of these homepages. However quality is always an essential factor of course but being a quality judge is a tough mission. 3) Antique dreams...Anyone but me who are amazed by the tremendous flow of releases? What's the hurry? I also agree with Sean in that more Info. about the tracks would be most welcome. 4) Recently listened to the famous Montreal Concert from 1977 for the first time. Maybe shouldn't talk about that here but just want to say that I hear traces of Dessert Dream and to a lesser extent, but still, traces of Coldwater Canyon. Remember that it has been said that these tracks weren't actually played on the tour but at least it sounds as they came close. What a tour it must have been. Had it been today I would have taken a long holliday and done my best to attend all of the concerts. Bye now, Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22507 Re: 4 for the price of 1 Joe Shoults Tue 5/16/2000 2 KB 22521 Edgar re Quantity vs. Quality Steven Feldman Wed 5/17/2000 2 KB From: 'teiwaz _' Date: Tue May 16, 2000 3:48 pm Subject: re: Subject: Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! >08. Sorcerer and Thief (Mill Valley) finally some tracks from the music in the movies concert Dec 1986 Time to relive some old memories! Thanks Edgar --teiwaz ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue May 16, 2000 3:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 4 for the price of 1 > -----Original Message----- > From: olle.rundgren@s... [mailto:olle.rundgren@s...] ... > 4) Recently listened to the famous Montreal Concert from 1977 > for the first > time. Maybe shouldn't talk about that here but just want to say > that I hear Of course you can comment on it here. Did you listen to the version from the radio broadcast? That guy is really irritating that talks over the music! Otherwise, the show itself is a classic! Joe From: Jared White Date: Tue May 16, 2000 4:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] You lost me at #3 -- Apology Hi, Poly, > * Nothing at all... it has to do with being tired of your reactions, and also > having seen your site with it's emphasis on Christianity.... perhaps you > could > be a little less egotistical, and a little more 'Christian' > (I.E. walk the walk, my friend.) Well, perhaps you're right. While I really wasn't trying to be egotistical, I guess it might have come off that way. It's so easy to misread things in e-mail -- annoyance and strong opinions on a subject can very easily translate to being egotistical and rude to other people. If I came off that way, I apologize. As for being a Christian, yes, I am, but where is it written I can't have strong opinions? ;) Well I guess I'm through with this subject for now (* everyone heaves a big sigh of relief! *), but I just want to say I bear no ill will towards you or anyone else here. No hard feelings, I hope. Take care. Cheerio. Ta Ta. Bye! :) Jared From: horrod6 Date: Tue May 16, 2000 8:09 pm Subject: Re: RE: You lost me at #3 Jared wrote: > As usual -- attack the person when you can't argue the point. Exactly > what have I presented as gospel? The techno genre being overwhelmed with > crap? OK, name me some artists producing classic, timeless music in the > techno genre, and I'll take a listen. I haven't heard much interesting > so far. Um, Jared, don't take this personally, but you do tend to present your opinions as facts. I don't know where you're from, so it may just be that you're from a culture that communicates more directly than I'm used to - that's certainly something my Dutch friends and I have had to get used to. Anyway, if you just popped in the occasional 'IMO', I think you'd find that people responded less abruptly to some of your posts. All of the above is of course, only my opinion 8-) LnH Marion PS I find it perfectly feasible to appreciate 70's TD, 90's TD, Leftfield and the Aphex Twin - not that I'm 100% uncritical of _any_ of them. I would be happy for you if you could too - the range of pleasant experiences open to you would be so much greater. But if you can't, that's OK by me. From: horrod6 Date: Tue May 16, 2000 8:15 pm Subject: RE: You lost me at #3] I wrote: > Um, Jared, don't take this personally, but you do tend to present your > opinions as facts. ... ..and then collected the next digest, which contained a handsome apology from Jared for being a grouch. Well we all have our off days (or weeks). Jared, I just wanted you to know I hadn't read the apology when I wrote my post. LnH Marion From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue May 16, 2000 8:29 pm Subject: You lost me at #3 > There is no need to save face here; in fact, you *lose* face by trying to > save it. Not to mention that it just plain sux to have to read this crap continously... *Yes, it does. The last letter of mine was supposed to be offlist. Apologies to the list for having to read it. Poly From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue May 16, 2000 9:07 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] You lost me at #3 ok. big group hug! let's move on... > -----Original Message----- > > There is no need to save face here; in fact, you *lose* > face by trying to > > save it. > > Not to mention that it just plain sux to have to read this crap > continously... > > *Yes, it does. The last letter of mine was supposed to be offlist. > Apologies to the list for having to read it. > From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue May 16, 2000 11:31 pm Subject: [tadream] D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] This album is IMO one of the mediocre albums TD have made. The music is typical for TD in the 90', short tracks, only Korg instruments, small sweet tunes, to sweet at times. A bit boring compositions, when I know what TD is capable of. I think one of the problems in the 90' were the short tracks. I mean, I want to be able to really get into a track, but here you have just gotten into the track, and then it ends. As one on this list suggested, mayby TD should have made their albums in the Oxygene, Equinoxe fashion (mixed them together) One other problem is in my eyes the use of all the Korg equipment. It tends to give the music a narrow perspective. I mean, the sound is the same. Ok, Korg make great equipment, but I think you get a wider soundpicture when using equipment from different companies. And this gives the music more life. When all this is said, I want to point out that I enjoyed this album a lot. I just get a bit dissappointet, when I think of all the great and LONG compositions they have made and are capable of. Jan pergamon@g... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22514 Re: D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] Bennett Cookson Tue 5/16/2000 2 KB 22519 Re: D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] Owens, James E Wed 5/17/2000 3 KB 22528 Re: D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] Bennett Cookson Wed 5/17/2000 2 KB 22529 Re: D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] Gabe Yedid Wed 5/17/2000 3 KB 22530 Re: D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] Gabe Yedid Wed 5/17/2000 2 KB 22532 Re: D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] Synthhtnys@a... Wed 5/17/2000 2 KB From: Bennett Cookson Date: Tue May 16, 2000 11:49 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] Someone said ' the problems in the 90' were the short tracks.' I really like Lily on the Beach, but for very different reasons then I like live miles or other longer tracks. So personally, I do not think it is fair to compare the long and the short - it is different - like apples and oranges. It should be judged against other shorter tracks. It requires different moods almost to really enjoy different types of TD and track length is one really good way divide the two main types of TD music. Sure I wish they would write more longer tracks, but I still enjoy the shorter ones. Favorite tracks are 1. Too Hot For My Chinchilla (Hot) 8. Twenty-Nine Palms (beautiful) 10. Radio City (great buildup to guitar solo by JF) --Bennett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: PENFOLD Date: Wed May 17, 2000 2:16 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Fantasy role-players wanted! At 2000.05.12 08:24, Steven Feldman wrote: >On Fri, 12 May 2000 15:50:52 +0100 Nigbur D said: > >Sorry for the off-topic... > >I am looking for list members with an interest in fantasy role-playing > >to start a play-by-email campaign. [. . .] > > If you want to keep it marginally on-topic, there was a KEEP >role-playing module put out in the Role Aids series, meant to go >with Advanced Dungeons and Dragons. I bought the module *many* years ago.....and it STINKS! €0.02 Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... Saw copy of _The Keep_ LP, held it in his hands, but didn't have the $ 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese, on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: PENFOLD Date: Wed May 17, 2000 2:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Semi-OT: techno wheat vs. chaff At 2000.05.15 19:40, quarlie@a... wrote: >Oh, and I agree that most techno is garbage--but I think that's equally true >of most other genres. If you wanted to hear gawdawful Techno, all you had to do was to go to last year's Burning Man Festival. There were *way* too many Techno camps pumping out this crap, especially one camp on the edge of Black Rock City that *finally* shut down at five-fucking-thirty in the AM. For some strange reason a whole bunch of 20-something first-timers all got in their heads that people would like to listen to Techno. The Techno camps were interesting, elaborate and had great lighting but you only saw ~5 people dancing, and there was 23,000 people there! A fellow desert freak friend of mine pretty much described the sound of amplified Techno from a distance is indistinguishable from the sound of boots in a clothes dryer! Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... Saw copy of _The Keep_ LP, held it in his hands, but didn't have the $ 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese, on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed May 17, 2000 8:16 am Subject: quest?????? Hello all Am I missing something or are we now going on a quest to put down Techno?????? As I stated before, some of you sound like my parents. I see these negative comments about techno again and again on this list. Why this bad attitude????? or is this just comments from some very narrow-minded people????? I am not trying to write, not so good thing about you, I am trying to understand this quest, negativity or narrow-minded attitude. As said before, when I started hearing e-music, this was the same attitude I got from other people. This were 20 years ago. Don't be so narrowminded, there are good things in all music, and if there didn't appear new music-genre, music would be the same as it was 20 years ago. Yeah well, just feelt the need to get it out =) Jan From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Wed May 17, 2000 1:53 pm Subject: Montreal I wrote: > 4) Recently listened to the famous Montreal Concert from 1977 > for the first > time. Maybe shouldn't talk about that here but just want to say > that I hear Joe Shoults wrote: >Of course you can comment on it here. Did you listen to the version from >the radio broadcast? That guy is really irritating that talks over the >music! Otherwise, the show itself is a classic! And now I'm back again: It is the Radio Broadcast version and I agree with you. At first I couldn't figure out what that whispering was. Maybe it should have been better if he didn't whisper. Anyway, it is pollution to the music in the same way as that voice on the radio broadcast from Washington (same tour).The difference being that you can actually hear what the guy is saying in the latter case. Not much of a comfort or..? And now I am off! Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22526 Re: Montreal Synthhtnys@a... Wed 5/17/2000 2 KB 22666 Re: Montreal Lawry Simm Fri 5/26/2000 2 KB 22672 Re: Montreal Gabe Yedid Sat 5/27/2000 2 KB 22674 Re: Montreal Robert Grabowsky Sat 5/27/2000 2 KB From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Wed May 17, 2000 2:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] Bennett, I agree completely! My review: Ditto Bennett's! James > -----Original Message----- > I really like Lily on the Beach, but for very different reasons then I > like > live miles or other longer tracks. So personally, I do not think it is > fair > to compare the long and the short - it is different - like apples and > oranges. It should be judged against other shorter tracks. It requires > different moods almost to really enjoy different types of TD and track > length is one really good way divide the two main types of TD music. Sure > I > wish they would write more longer tracks, but I still enjoy the shorter > ones. > > Favorite tracks are > > 1. Too Hot For My Chinchilla (Hot) > 8. Twenty-Nine Palms (beautiful) > 10. Radio City (great buildup to guitar solo by JF) > From: Steven Feldman Date: Wed May 17, 2000 3:47 pm Subject: Putting Money Where Mouth is re 80's vs. 90's TD 1999 TDI KEEP auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=323217983 'Desert Train' promo CD auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=329268975 About a week ago, a copy of the 1999 TDI KEEP CD was auctioned on eBAY for $130.00. This is to be expected, since it contains music from TD's early-to-mid-80s period, and is notoriously hard to obtain in any form (and more or less sold for $180, to begin with). Just this morning, a copy of the 'Desert Train' promo CD fetched a whopping $386.00! I must say that -- after hearing all this happy horseshit about how 1990's TD is lame and how the Artofvision list should be shut down -- it is amusing to see a CD with 1990s material sell for twice the amount as a CD with 1980s material. ;) Personally, though, I'm sort of pissed off: 'Desert Train' is one of my all-time fave TD tunes, and it burns my butt that I have yet to even hear what this promo-only radio edit/remix *sounds* like! -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - ar402004@b... [ElectronicMusic@o..., 6/27/99] said: 'Live, Tangerine Dream is the electronic equivalent of Millie Vanilli.' DaNo [ElectronicMusic@o..., 6/27/99] rejoined: 'Finally, someone who puts it into perspective no one can deny.' Ho ho. From: Steven Feldman Date: Tue May 16, 2000 3:34 pm Subject: Edgar re Quantity vs. Quality >Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:27:39 +0200 >From: tadream@egroups.com >Really-From: olle.rundgren@s... >Subject: [tadream] 4 for the price of 1 >3) Antique dreams...Anyone but me who are amazed by the tremendous >flow of releases? What's the hurry? [. . .] My guess is since Edgar has pretty much given up on any concerted effort regarding the quality of Tangerine Dream product per se, he has decided that quantity will make up for quality. In other words, he is 'nickle and dime'-ing it. Notice how for every Montblanc pen sold, there are some 2000 Bic pens sold? Those pennies add up. -- Steven Feldman From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed May 17, 2000 5:41 pm Subject: Re.D;studio[Lily on the beach] I quite like this CD although the shorter track formula I am not a great fan of. My favourite tracks include; Too hot for my chinchilla Lily on the beach Crystal curfew Radio city and easily the best Long island sunset Unfortunately some tracks just made up the numbers like Gecko,Alaskan summer and Paradise cove. To sum up it is a reasonable CD which I feel is better than the previous Optical Race. Cheers Gary. From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed May 17, 2000 7:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Edgar re Quantity vs. Quality > -----Original Message----- > Anyone...amazed by the tremendous flow of releases? What's the hurry? ... > My guess is since Edgar has pretty much given up on any concerted > effort regarding the quality of Tangerine Dream product per se, he has > decided that quantity will make up for quality. I understand, of course, that you're merely speculating about Edgar's intentions, but I don't think anyone can necessarily make such a sweeping assumption. I'd say that it IS safe to assume that as a label, they (he) wants to get the product out to the public in as many choosable forms as possible. I'm assuming that the people making a stink about such a wide catalog are the fans like us who eagerly await new - and I mean NEW, as in new material, not compilation- releases. When 'we' get a new compilation, having been looking for new material, we are disappointed. > Just this morning, a copy of the 'Desert Train' promo CD fetched > a whopping $386.00! I must say that -- after hearing all this happy > horseshit about how 1990's TD is lame and how the Artofvision list > should be shut down -- it is amusing to see a CD with 1990s material > sell for twice the amount as a CD with 1980s material. ;) I agree! For me (and I may be alone here), this underscores how the rest of the world (the real world?) reacts to new TD, as opposed to all the bellyaching about techno this, or drum machine this, or 'they ain't what they used to be' that... but like I said, I may be alone here... From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Wed May 17, 2000 8:14 pm Subject: This e-mail account is no longer valid Hi everyone! Sorry to take up bandwidth, but I'm changing jobs, so this account will be eliminated sometime tomorrow or the next day. Please don't send anything further to either of the Boeing e-mail addresses you may have. I'll post a new address for myself as soon as I figure out what it's going to be. Thanks, James (back to your regularly scheduled rant - I mean discussion) From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed May 17, 2000 8:23 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] Hello bennett You are right, it was unfair when I compared the short and long tracks. I think it's just because I want the long tracks, that I tend to get a bit dissappointed with the shorter tracks. As I said, it was not that I didn't like the album, I just love albums without the breaks. Therefore, mayby they should consider making the albums in the Oxygene/Equinoxe fashion. It's still different tracks, they are just connected. Jan > > -----Original Message----- > > I really like Lily on the Beach, but for very different reasons then I > > like > > live miles or other longer tracks. So personally, I do not think it is > > fair > > to compare the long and the short - it is different - like apples and > > oranges. It should be judged against other shorter tracks. It requires > > different moods almost to really enjoy different types of TD and track > > length is one really good way divide the two main types of TD music. Sure > > I > > wish they would write more longer tracks, but I still enjoy the shorter > > ones. > > > > Favorite tracks are > > > > 1. Too Hot For My Chinchilla (Hot) > > 8. Twenty-Nine Palms (beautiful) > > 10. Radio City (great buildup to guitar solo by JF) From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed May 17, 2000 8:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Montreal In a message dated 5/17/2000 1:57:49 PM !!!First Boot!!!, olle.rundgren@s... writes: << That guy is really irritating that talks over the >music! Otherwise, the show itself is a classic It is the Radio Broadcast version and I agree with you. At first I couldn't figure out what that whispering was. Maybe it should have been better if he didn't whisper. >> * I actually like the whispering in a sort of perverse 'Spinal Tap' sort of way.... it makes me laugh every time.... 'Is this thing on'? Poly From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed May 17, 2000 8:34 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Edgar re Quantity vs. Quality It might also be just the fact that Edgar Froese is releasing more material to the fans that have demanded this for years. I agree with Joe, even though I still love the materials from the 70' 80' best, TD is, thank the gods, still evolving and are trying out new things, like first track on GWOC. I for one is looking forward to the Dream mixes 3. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22537 'Meng Tian' on GREAT WALL OF CHINA: Soul 2 Soul? Steven Feldman Thu 5/18/2000 2 KB From: Bennett Cookson Date: Wed May 17, 2000 8:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] * maybe they should consider making the albums in the Oxygene/Equinoxe fashion. It's still different tracks, they are just connected. - Jan Excellent idea! I really enjoy the bridges between song as in live recordings. Actually, I'd like to have both versions. (sometimes we get multiple versions.) --Bennett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22529 Re: D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] Gabe Yedid Wed 5/17/2000 3 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed May 17, 2000 9:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] On Wed, 17 May 2000, Bennett Cookson wrote: > * maybe they should consider making the albums in the Oxygene/Equinoxe > fashion. It's still different tracks, they are just connected. - Jan > > Excellent idea! I really enjoy the bridges between song as in live > recordings. Actually, I'd like to have both versions. (sometimes we get > multiple versions.) > > --Bennett For the kind of album that _Lily_ is--a Le Parc-like 'travelogue'--I think that the short-form tracks are quite sufficient. Each track is supposed to be representative of a different place, maybe widely separated geographically and/or thematically. So, thinking of each piece on the album as a 'snapshot' in a musical slide projector is, IMO, the right approach to take here. It doesn't work quite so well for *all* of TD's short-form piece albums, and some of these--like _Mars Polaris_, IMO--would have worked better WITH bridges and segues (like at the Osnabrueck show). On the other end of things, JMJ's _Metamorphoses_ featured very short breaks (and a few segues) on an album which was otherwise (IMO) a collection of disparate dance-tune singles--it would make virtually no difference to the overall cohesion if there were Oxygene-type segues or not. cheers, Gabe From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed May 17, 2000 9:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] On Wed, 17 May 2000, Pergamon wrote: > This album is IMO one of the mediocre albums TD have made. >The music is typical for TD in the 90', short tracks, only Korg >instruments, Why is it everybdy is always knocking the Korg equipment and accusing it of being one of the less savoury aspects of post-Livemiles TD? TD *does* use other instruments besides Korgs, they just don't always publicize them as much. I think a lot of _Lily_ features Roland and Yamaha equipment and sounds too; isn't the now-notorious electro-harpsichord sound a DX7 II patch? If any album marked the beginning of the alleged Korg hegemony, it would have to be _Melrose_--wasn't this the first TD album featuring the M1? Gabe the non-gearhead From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed May 17, 2000 9:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] At the risk of igniting another flamewar, here are excellent examples of exploring musical ideas for 3-10 minutes and then bridging into the next idea: Logos Poland Livemiles 220 Volt virtually any live concert recording in TD's history. So they didn't stop thinking that way, they just stopped releasing that way. Listen to a concert recording of 1988 or 89. I still think the individual musical ideas were lacking after Livemiles though :) We've covered that on this list ad-nauseum. >From: Bennett Cookson >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: ''tadream@egroups.com'' >Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] >Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:40:28 -0600 > >* maybe they should consider making the albums in the Oxygene/Equinoxe >fashion. It's still different tracks, they are just connected. - Jan > >Excellent idea! I really enjoy the bridges between song as in live >recordings. Actually, I'd like to have both versions. (sometimes we get >multiple versions.) > >--Bennett > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed May 17, 2000 9:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] << Why is it everybdy is always knocking the Korg equipment and accusing it of being one of the less savoury aspects of post-Livemiles TD? >> *Korg makes fine keyboards...They shouldn't be blamed. I think what people are noticing is that at a certain point TD began using more and more preset sounds, and less of their own creation. so there was a certain sameness of sound after a while.... Poly From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu May 18, 2000 12:23 am Subject: Sv: Sv:[tadream] D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] ----- Original Message ----- From: > *Korg makes fine keyboards...They shouldn't be blamed. > I think what people are noticing is that at a certain point TD > began using more and more preset sounds, and less of > their own creation. so there was a certain sameness > of sound after a while.... > Poly Agree, I use Korg instruments myself, and think they make damn good instruments. My point was that in most of the albums from the 90' the korg sound dominated TD's sound, IMO too much. And as Poly stated, they used to many presets, and they have used the same sounds to often. I felt you couldn't tell one album from another, when it comes to sounds. I mean a little difference would be nice. Also I think that the other equipment TD uses has the same power to be dominating a track. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22538 Re: Sv: Sv:[tadream] D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] Gabe Yedid Thu 5/18/2000 3 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Thu May 18, 2000 3:04 am Subject: Re: Montreal 77 <> Really? Can you tell during which pieces you hear these 'traces'? I've listened to this and a number of other shows, and I've yet to really pick out anything that sounds like Desert Dream or Coldwater Canyon. The only thing that I hear is the intro to Coldwater Canyon (just those first chords, before the sequencer fades up), which I swear I'm hearing during the latter minutes of Cherokee Lane (I've also since picked this out on several other shows, too). NP: Chicago 'Liberation' (Chicago Transit Authority) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Thu May 18, 2000 4:12 am Subject: Risky Business Audio Kit! Greetings All! Just for everyones info there is one of these up for auction on Ebay. It is the 2 CD version. Rick From: TomX01@a... Date: Thu May 18, 2000 10:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] computer down Hi Duncan, this is Tom from North Wales, I lost my computer also including all my ICQ contacts etc, it's such a pain. I feel a few CDRs coming on again soon if that's ok with you =) Best regards Tom From: Steven Feldman Date: Wed May 17, 2000 8:43 pm Subject: 'Meng Tian' on GREAT WALL OF CHINA: Soul 2 Soul? On Wed, 17 May 2000 22:34:54 +0200 Pergamon said: >[. . .] TD is, thank the gods, still evolving and are trying out new >things, like first track on GWOC. [. . .] Hey, although I like that track, too, it's nothing new. A band called Soul 2 Soul popularized this drum sequence in at least two Top 40 hits back in the mid-1980's. Okay, so it's new to Edgar. So's the the software he uses for all those CD covers he can't settle on. ;) -- Steven Feldman From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu May 18, 2000 8:57 pm Subject: Re: Sv: Sv:[tadream] D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] On Thu, 18 May 2000, Pergamon wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > *Korg makes fine keyboards...They shouldn't be blamed. > > I think what people are noticing is that at a certain point TD > > began using more and more preset sounds, and less of > > their own creation. so there was a certain sameness > > of sound after a while.... > > Poly > > Agree, I use Korg instruments myself, and think they make damn good >instruments. My point was that in most of the albums from the 90' the >korg sound dominated TD's sound, IMO too much. And as Poly stated, they >used to many presets, and they have used the same sounds to often. I think this exact same argument applies to a great deal of their music from 1981-1984, except instead of Korg synths and presets, it was PPG. I don't think I've ever seen anyone critical of TD music of that period for that reason, in contrast to what is usually said of the late '80s and '90s reliance on presets. >I felt you couldn't tell one album from another, when it comes to sounds. >I mean a little difference would be nice. Also I think that the other >equipment TD uses has the same power to be dominating a track. This is certainly true of the higher-end Roland, E-Mu, and Kurzweil synths they have made (insufficient?) use of. As to why they seem to have that overwhelming preference for Korg presets, well, that's something I'd guess you'd have to ask them. I'm assuming that there's pretty significant variability in the on-board sounds between various brands, not to mention expansion discs/cards etc. (I do read Sound On Sound gear reviews from time to time, I'm assuming their people are competent) Gabe From: 'Pergamon' Date: Fri May 19, 2000 2:41 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] 'Meng Tian' on GREAT WALL OF CHINA: Soul 2 Soul? Yes I know, but it is new in TD-music, and the breakbeat together with a TD-touch, makes it brilliant. I think on this track they have caught something very good. But of cause it stands out compared to the rest of the album, that sounds just like the one before an before and so forth, so mayby that it why you notice it. I know Soul 2 Soul, a great band, that has produced several big hits. And i would like to say, although the covers of todays TD-CD's isn't very hard to make, they still have given they product a recognizable touch. Jan > Hey, although I like that track, too, it's nothing new. A band > called Soul 2 Soul popularized this drum sequence in at least two Top > 40 hits back in the mid-1980's. Okay, so it's new to Edgar. So's the > the software he uses for all those CD covers he can't settle on. ;) > > -- Steven Feldman From: 'Pergamon' Date: Fri May 19, 2000 2:53 am Subject: Sv: Sv: Sv:[tadream] D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] Hello Gabe > I think this exact same argument applies to a great deal of their music > from 1981-1984, except instead of Korg synths and presets, it was PPG. I > don't think I've ever seen anyone critical of TD music of that period for > that reason, in contrast to what is usually said of the late '80s and '90s > reliance on presets. You are right about that, but I felt it a bit anoying to listen to the same sound for almost 10 years. Yes I like the era you mentioned, but I also like what they do today, but would also like to see some evolving, and think that the time is right for a change in TD-music. From: Chris Richards Date: Fri May 19, 2000 7:25 am Subject: Re: Talking on radio broadcasts I actually agree, it sucks that sometimes they had to do station ID's during songs, but it doesn't really bug me that much. The idea of a radio station broadcasting something like a Tangerine Dream show live, more or less in it's entirety (the real Spinal Tap moment comes when the person back at the radio station goes to a record first after the set, then each of the first two encores, apparently not aware that the band still had more music they wanted to lay on the audience...'We'll come back to the Pink Floyd later, now it's back to Place Des Arts for some more live Tangerine Dream) is totally foreign to me. It just doesn't happen anymore, not in Cleveland anyway (apart from college radio, and even that leaves much to be desired). To me, a cat coming on and telling you what station you're listening to in the middle of the music is part of the deal. It happens, just like how sometimes, the tape runs out before the band stops playing. And hearing radio airchecks like that are kinda cool anyway. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22554 Re: Talking on radio broadcasts twosheds Fri 5/19/2000 2 KB 22556 Re: Talking on radio broadcasts quarlie@a... Sat 5/20/2000 2 KB 22598 Re: Talking on radio broadcasts Sean Montgomery Tue 5/23/2000 2 KB 22601 Re: Talking on radio broadcasts Craig Chambers Tue 5/23/2000 3 KB 22602 Re: Talking on radio broadcasts Jim Moore Tue 5/23/2000 2 KB 22604 Re: Talking on radio broadcasts Feldon Feldon Wed 5/24/2000 4 KB 22618 Re: Talking on radio broadcasts Craig Chambers Wed 5/24/2000 9 KB 22624 Re: Talking on radio broadcasts Sean Montgomery Wed 5/24/2000 5 KB 22630 Re: Talking on radio broadcasts j.gordon Thu 5/25/2000 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri May 19, 2000 7:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Talking on radio broadcasts (off topic) I'll make this short, but to anyone that loves Spinal Tap, Make an effort to hear the 'Trogg tapes' The Troggs were the band that did 'Wild Thing' among others, and this legendary recording was done by an engineer at his wits end having to deal with these guys..... He merely hit Record while the band was talking between takes... I swear Spinal tap was based on these guys... by about halfway through I'm laughing so hard I'm crying... The band eventually found out about the bootleg, and liked it so much they released it themselves!! (Sorry for the no-TD content, but it's worth it.) Poly From: Mark Edmonds Date: Thu May 18, 2000 6:44 pm Subject: Back on the list and stuff... >I continue to approach each new TD album with a certain amount of >optimism, prepared to be pleasantly surprised. And I did indeed like >parts of Mars Polaris and Architecture in Motion. Great Wall of China, >however, just put me to sleep (apart from Ming Tien, which is okay). >SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator Blimey, seems like the general gist of things hasn't changed. I used to be signed up to the old TD list but had to leave due to a change of jobs. Just over one year on, I'm back here (Hi! to anyone from the old list) and there has been lots of new TD: Architecture in Motion, Sohomon, Mars Polaris, Great Wall, Valentine Wheels and so on. Each time a new one comes out, I keep hoping and hoping that this one is going to be a cracker but every time, there are isolated moments but nothing that really sets the ears on fire. I'm not going to sit here and rabbit off a whole list of complaints but I wonder whether this test says something ... of the last 10 years TD, how many of you can list all the track titles from all the albums that you own? I certainly can't where as for the 70s and 80s, the names are important. For example, I like the beginning of track 8 on Mars but I haven't the faintest idea what the title is. Doesn't it say something when you can't even be bothered to read what the track titles are? Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22544 Re: Back on the list and stuff... Bert.Hulshoff@N... Fri 5/19/2000 3 KB 22548 Re: Back on the list and stuff... Gabe Yedid Fri 5/19/2000 3 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Fri May 19, 2000 11:39 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Back on the list and stuff... Welcome back on the list Mark, Well I have the same problem with the tracknames, but not only from TD but all the albums I've bought after 1977, I think it has to do with the many releases of Good Albums by so many artists. also the diverence between LP and CD covers, Man, it was good to see the lp sleeve, sometimes even more important than the music ;-) greetings Bert > I'm not going to sit here and rabbit off a whole list of complaints but > I wonder whether this test says something ... of the last 10 years TD, > how many of you can list all the track titles from all the albums that > you own? I certainly can't where as for the 70s and 80s, the names are > important. For example, I like the beginning of track 8 on Mars but I > haven't the faintest idea what the title is. Doesn't it say something > when you can't even be bothered to read what the track titles are? > > Mark > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > eGroups members: $60 in FREE calls! Join beMANY! > And pay less each month for long distance. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4122/5/_/24785/_/958735712/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri May 19, 2000 12:45 pm Subject: Montreal 2 I wrote: <C. Richards wrote: >Really? Can you tell during which pieces you hear these 'traces'? I've listened to this and >anumber of other shows, and I've yet to really pick out anything that sounds like Desert From: 'Patrik .' Date: Fri May 19, 2000 6:35 pm Subject: Gear-talk This is for all you musicians on the list. Yesterday here in a warm and sunny Stockholm I found a Fairlight for approx USD 3100 and next to that was a Moog modular system (no pricetag though)and no sequencer modules, but still. Sometimes it´s quite funny searching through the keyboard stores... Have a nice weekend to you all, non-musicians included! :-) Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri May 19, 2000 3:22 pm Subject: Disc 5 - Dream Roots Hejsan, I'd be very grateful for help with info. on lineup and recording year(s) for the unreleased tracks on the Dream Roots collection. I don't remember if this one is included in the weekly review schedule but anyway I find it enjoyable. Most of it is very unlike Tangerine Dream. I come to think about some of the French EM musicians I've been listening to. There is a very light touch to the music with more flow than staccato, making it very different from most of their output from the 90's. The conclusion should be obvious: It is not from the 90's, right? In terms of instrumentation it is hard to place it in time. More 80's than 90's definately but not really so similar to any album/albums that I'd be able to guess a year. Dröm sött! Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22549 Re: Disc 5 - Dream Roots Antonio Nunes Fri 5/19/2000 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Fri May 19, 2000 3:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Back on the list and stuff... On Thu, 18 May 2000, Mark Edmonds wrote: > I'm not going to sit here and rabbit off a whole list of complaints but > I wonder whether this test says something ... of the last 10 years TD, > how many of you can list all the track titles from all the albums that > you own? I certainly can't where as for the 70s and 80s, the names are > important. For example, I like the beginning of track 8 on Mars but I > haven't the faintest idea what the title is. Doesn't it say something > when you can't even be bothered to read what the track titles are? > > Mark The track title is 'Astrophobia', if you please, and it's one of the best f*****g things to come from ANY TD lineup, IMNSHO. btw, welcome back. ;) Gabe who can name all of his favourite '90s TD tracks, and more than a few of his not-so-favourite ones. From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri May 19, 2000 5:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Disc 5 - Dream Roots olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > > I don't remember if this one is included in the weekly review schedule but > anyway I find it enjoyable. Most of it is very unlike Tangerine Dream. I > come to think about some of the French EM musicians I've been listening to. > There is a very light touch to the music with more flow than staccato, > making it very different from most of their output from the 90's. > The conclusion should be obvious: It is not from the 90's, right? Right! The booklet says: 'Drawing on the ideas contained in 'Le Parc', both Franke and Froese worked up an incredible amount of material between Oct'85 and Jan'86. For the very first time in the world some of the best of that can be heard on CD5.' And I say: I wish they release the rest of this incredible amount of material! Antonio Nunes np: Verity - Digital Planet From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri May 19, 2000 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What happened to D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] ? Well, I keep getting messages out of order and 3-4 days late from eGroups (this has been going on for a week and a half now), so it's hard for me to follow the conversation. I never even saw an announcement for Lily on the Beach. I thought we were still talking Miracle Mile. I don't have Lily on the Beach, but the 3-4 tracks people have pointed out as being their favorites (Edgar thought so too, as he put them on the Private Music collection, which I *do* have) are also my favorites from this release. Lily on the Beach is pretty good, compared to that turkey Optical Race. -Morgan >From: 'Jared White' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: 'Tadream List' >Subject: [tadream] What happened to D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] ? >Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:05:03 -0700 > >'Nuff said. :) > >Regards, > >Jared ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Fri May 19, 2000 6:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Disc 5 - Tangents Hi Can anyone give me info on Disc 5 of 'Tangents'. I'm very curious to find out the years that the tracks were recorded & by what line-ups. Also is the last track on Disc 4 'Beach Theme' as listed or is it 'Beach Scene'. Cheers Derek (np; Roger Waters - 'Amused to Death') From: Tomas Rydqvist Date: Fri May 19, 2000 6:43 pm Subject: Please help Hi folks Is there anyone who can help me with the cover art for coefficient of aural expansion one and two ?? I got the cover but its not the original with the blue background and the white stripes, thats cd1. cd2 i got it too but it is so poor, so.. Contact me offline Thanks in advance Totta Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22553 Re: Please help duncan mckee Fri 5/19/2000 2 KB From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Fri May 19, 2000 7:31 pm Subject: Re: Please help --- In tadream@egroups.com, Tomas Rydqvist wrote: > Hi folks > Is there anyone who can help me with the cover art for coefficient of > aural expansion > one and two ?? > I got the cover but its not the original with the blue background and > the white stripes, thats cd1. > cd2 i got it too but it is so poor, so.. > > Contact me offline > Thanks in advance > > Totta hi tomas send me your email address and i will forward the covers to you Duncan McKee mckee17@m... From: 'twosheds' Date: Fri May 19, 2000 8:34 pm Subject: Re: Talking on radio broadcasts >I actually agree, it sucks that sometimes they >had to do station ID's during songs, but it >doesn't really bug me that much. The idea of a >radio station broadcasting something like a Local embarassment WMMS FM tried an experiment a few years ago where they would do a station ID in the middle of every single song! I think it was a Pearl Jam show or something that they were simulcasting live. Do you think they wanted to discourage taping?!?! I agree with Chris, though, collegte radio is really the last bastion of listenable radio, at least in Cleveland. Scott From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat May 20, 2000 3:38 am Subject: Re: Sv: Sv:[tadream] D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] I don't think it makes sense to blame Korg for TD's sound during the late 80s and early 90's. Was the Korg Wavestation out in 1988? If it was, then there's no excuse. I played with one of these a couple of months ago and small miracles can be accomplished with it. Anyways, nothing in the Korg manual told Edgar that he had to adopt that damn harpsichord patch and make it a permament fixture of TD. With Ambient Monkeys, we now have proof that Edgar is a frustrated classical musician who has been doing TD as his 'day job' for a while now. If Edgar does retire (I don't anticipate it) I hope that Jerome isn't afraid to look back at what made TD great. I happen to like the dance influences that Jerome has experimented with, even if they are a bit dated (I'm hearing sequences and ideas in TD *now* that were totally played to death at the clubs a couple of years ago). Tangram, Logos, and Poland can all trace their heritage to present-day dance, as well as their 70's output to trance type dance music. But I think too much was stripped away to produce ambient house/dance. Time to go back digging and let's hope Jerome understands that. -Morgan >From: 'Pergamon' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: Sv: Sv:[tadream] D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] >Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 02:23:31 +0200 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: > > *Korg makes fine keyboards...They shouldn't be blamed. > > I think what people are noticing is that at a certain point TD > > began using more and more preset sounds, and less of > > their own creation. so there was a certain sameness > > of sound after a while.... > > Poly > >Agree, I use Korg instruments myself, and think they make damn good >instruments. My point was that in most of the albums from the 90' the korg >sound dominated TD's sound, IMO too much. And as Poly stated, they used to >many presets, and they have used the same sounds to often. I felt you >couldn't tell one album from another, when it comes to sounds. I mean a >little difference would be nice. Also I think that the other equipment TD >uses has the same power to be dominating a track. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat May 20, 2000 7:21 am Subject: Re: Talking on radio broadcasts In a message dated 5/19/00 4:36:00 PM, twosheds@g... writes: >I agree with Chris, though, college radio is really the last bastion of >listenable radio, at least in Cleveland. The trouble with college radio is, of course, reception. Fortunately, we still have NPR; I've just about given up on music radio. Is it this bad everywhere or is Cleveland just cursed? --Daniel NP: Pressurehed--Sudden Vertigo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22598 Re: Talking on radio broadcasts Sean Montgomery Tue 5/23/2000 2 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Sat May 20, 2000 7:56 am Subject: Re: Spinal Tap/The Troggs <> I believe I know the tape you're talking about. I've never actually heard it, but if I'm not mistaken, it was also the inspiration for the 'Douche Bag' skit on Saturday Night Live, back in the 70's. 'There'll always be a douche bag in Parliament!'. :-) NP: Synergy 'Warriors' (Electronic Realizations For Rock Orchestra) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat May 20, 2000 9:11 am Subject: Who are you? Today I received a CD in the mail that is a total mystery... First of all there was no envelope, just the CD taped shut and metered, second of all there's very little writing and that barely legible.... I think it says 'Pandatarin - Jeff Karsen' but can't really tell.... It was sent by Jeff apparently... I have no idea who you are, or how you got my address, but I suspect you're on one of these lists.... please write... I like it ....interesting dark ambient.... but don't know who you are...... Poly From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat May 20, 2000 9:17 am Subject: [tadream] Sleeve scans Hi all, After months of hard work scanning and scouring the net, I'm still missing reasonable quality images of the following TD singles and albums, if anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated, after all, it is the discography for tadream.org, and it should be complete... Albums: Green Desert (white Virgin cover) Ossiach Live (original LP) Rockoon (Editions Atlas version) Shy People (white cover) Synthesiseur (3 CD box set) Tangerine Dream (3) (3 CD box set) Tangerine Dream Collection (3 CD box set) Tangerine Ambience 1 and 2 Singles: Beach Scene Cat Scan Desert Train Grind Marakesh Oranges Don't Dance Towards the Evening Star (rare promo CD) Cheers Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22560 Re: Sleeve scans Marcel Engels Sat 5/20/2000 2 KB 22683 Okefenokee page Marcel Engels Sun 5/28/2000 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sat May 20, 2000 10:02 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Sleeve scans > From: Paul Fellows [mailto:pfellows@c...] > > Shy People (white cover) > Synthesiseur (3 CD box set) I can help you with these 2. Have to connect the (handheld) scanner again. :-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels Email :mengels@w... finishing the Okefenokee Dreams CDR! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22683 Okefenokee page Marcel Engels Sun 5/28/2000 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sat May 20, 2000 12:48 pm Subject: OT: Roger Waters Concert 6/2/00 in Tampa Hello All, I have 2 extra tickets available for the upcoming Roger Waters concert on Friday June 2nd in Tampa FL, at the Ice Palace. I am selling them for their cost, which was $50 plus the $4.75 service charge and $3.20 for Priority shipping in the USA and $4.75 for Global Priority if needed. The seats are located in Section 116, Row W, seats 7 & 8. You can go to the Ticketmaster website and see their location. http://www.ticketmaster.com Their map is better than the Ice Palace map. http://www.icepalace.com These are good seats located 3 sections away from the stage to the left, and the first layer up from the floor seats. Let me know as soon as possible, Thanks THE HIGHLANDER Robert Grabowsky Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22571 Re: OT: Roger Waters Concert 6/2/00 in Tampa grafzeigen Sun 5/21/2000 2 KB 22572 Solar Eclipse CDs (LAST 3 COPIES)! Rainer Rutka Sun 5/21/2000 2 KB 22576 Re: OT: Roger Waters Concert 6/2/00 in Tampa Craig Chambers Mon 5/22/2000 2 KB 22581 Re: OT: Roger Waters Concert 6/2/00 in Tampa Nigelsan@a... Mon 5/22/2000 2 KB From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What happened to D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] ? >I don't have Lily on >the Beach, but the 3-4 tracks [...] Edgar put on the Private Music >collection, which I *do* have) are also my favorites from this release. >Lily n the Beach is pretty good, compared to that turkey Optical Race. >-Morgan You mean that the !3-4 tracks! are pretty good, compared to that 'turkey' OR. While I listen to OR from time to time (even though I have to take the hassle of using my turntable), my LotB CD hardly bathes in the laser light of my CD player :) Pal n.p. Sting's Brand new day CD (for the second time). I noticed that the last track uses one the cool intro sounds of Astrophobia (= had to realised it must have been another preset or sample). From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat May 20, 2000 6:24 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Sleeve scans Hi Marcel, Thanks for the reply. Just the front covers please, preferably 200 dpi, original size. You can attach them to an e-mail if you like. Paul >> >> Shy People (white cover) >> Synthesiseur (3 CD box set) > >I can help you with these 2. From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat May 20, 2000 7:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI site update >From: quarlie@a... >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] TDI site update >Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:14:05 EDT > >Sorry if anybody's mentioned this already, but I just noticed that the TDI >site (www.tdi-music-mall.de) has been updated with a track list and a few >sound clips of Antique Dreams. One of the tracks is a rendition of >'Phaedra,' This is the 1986 edition of Phaedra as played from 1986-present during concerts during the 'vintage set'. >and the other reminds me a bit of 'Kiev Mission.' I'm not sure if there's >been remixing or not. Um, it's Sobornost, a wholly unreleased track. You can hear tangentization on this track (strings/voice patches) so this is another release to avoid. Cheers, Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Airwave Date: Sat May 20, 2000 9:57 pm Subject: Denoised Soundmill Navigator. Hi gang. Pleased to announce that I'm now playing a denoised copy of Soundmill Navigator. I was so appalled by the low sound quality presented by TD and TDI here that I just had to do something about it. After analyzing the fft fft fft sound I noticed that it resides very high in the frequency range. Meaning it is very easy to remove. Unfortunately with the added tangentizaton you can't avoid harming the recording ever so slightly. However after a careful listening test I conclude that noone will really notice, unless they have something to compare with. The negative aspect is that the infernal fft fft fft noise could easily have been removed before tangentization and with the added new synth textures, noone would ever have noticed an ever so slight degrade of the original recording. (Take note of that on behalf of TDI Martin Kay) I don't mean any disrespect toward TD and TDI by doing this changing of the original TDI release. I'm just horrified by the apparent lack of quality sense by TD / TDI. The Soundmill should never have been released if TD / TDI had felt the end result was below normal standard, and it clearly is IMO. The secret to denoising Soundmill ? Apply a High Pass Band Filter to filter out the fft fft fft. I didn't write down the actual frequency where I started filtering. I've always felt a hands on approach compromisingOr long between sound quality and noise level is the best way to denoise. After removing the fft fft fft sound I ran the recording through a couple of my studio processors to add a little more 'air' to the recording. Please don't ask me for copies. I did this stricktly for myself. I have no intention of distributing illegal copies of original TDI releases. AirWave. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22566 Re: Denoised Soundmill Navigator. Admin. Sat 5/20/2000 4 KB 22580 Re: Denoised Soundmill Navigator. Rhen, Kris Mon 5/22/2000 3 KB From: 'Admin.' Date: Sat May 20, 2000 9:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Denoised Soundmill Navigator. Maybe that intended for it to sound that way? Other than, yea it's your copy, make what ever fixes you deem. dale -----Original Message----- From: Airwave To: tadream@egroups.com Date: Saturday, May 20, 2000 1:50 PM Subject: [tadream] Denoised Soundmill Navigator. >Hi gang. > >Pleased to announce that I'm now playing a denoised >copy of Soundmill Navigator. I was so appalled by the >low sound quality presented by TD and TDI here that I >just had to do something about it. > >After analyzing the fft fft fft sound I noticed that >it resides very high in the frequency range. Meaning >it is very easy to remove. > >Unfortunately with the added tangentizaton you can't >avoid harming the recording ever so slightly. >However after a careful listening test I conclude that >noone will really notice, unless they have something to >compare with. > >The negative aspect is that the infernal fft fft fft noise >could easily have been removed before tangentization and >with the added new synth textures, noone would ever have >noticed an ever so slight degrade of the original recording. >(Take note of that on behalf of TDI Martin Kay) > >I don't mean any disrespect toward TD and TDI by doing >this changing of the original TDI release. I'm just horrified >by the apparent lack of quality sense by TD / TDI. The >Soundmill should never have been released if TD / TDI had >felt the end result was below normal standard, and it >clearly is IMO. > >The secret to denoising Soundmill ? > >Apply a High Pass Band Filter to filter out the fft fft fft. >I didn't write down the actual frequency where I started filtering. >I've always felt a hands on approach compromisingOr long between sound >quality and noise level is the best way to denoise. > >After removing the fft fft fft sound I ran the recording >through a couple of my studio processors to add a little >more 'air' to the recording. > >Please don't ask me for copies. I did this stricktly for myself. >I have no intention of distributing illegal copies of original >TDI releases. > >AirWave. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Save 75% on Products! >Find incredible deals on overstocked items with Free shipping! >http://click.egroups.com/1/4013/5/_/24785/_/958855856/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Jared White' Date: Sat May 20, 2000 9:52 pm Subject: More nonsense ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon > With Ambient Monkeys, we now have proof that Edgar is a frustrated classical > musician who has been doing TD as his 'day job' for a while now. Wh-a-a-a-at...? I'm afraid you lost me on that one. In case you didn't notice, Ambient Monkeys is pre-concert music from TD's 1997 (or is it 1996?) European tour. It's not supposed to be 'great' music!!! I'd like to ask you folks something -- why are you all focusing on petty soundtracks and pre-concert ambience and presenting them as proof of TD's horrible demise when REAL albums which are FAR more indicative of TD's modern era are just forgotten? Admit it: some of you really have an axe to grind. And the air's getting staler by the minute. And if anyone comes back with a snide remark about me throwing around gospel again, just take a look at Morgan's statement above. I personally find his 'proof' laughable. Regards, Jared From: 'Jared White' Date: Sat May 20, 2000 9:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI site update ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon > Um, it's Sobornost, a wholly unreleased track. You can hear tangentization > on this track (strings/voice patches) so this is another release to avoid. You can also hear non-tangentization on this track (circa 1980's robotic voices and 'Moog' bases I've heard a gazillion times) so this is another release to avoid. Yeah, huh?!?! Jared From: 'Jared White' Date: Sat May 20, 2000 10:16 pm Subject: D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] Hi, folks, I don't have a lot of time to elaborate here, so I'll make this brief (sorta). When I first got Lily on the Beach, it was a little while after having gotten Melrose, and I'd already had Optical Race for a long time. So I was more or less expecting much of the same. When I first heard it, though, my initial reaction was 'WTF?!?!' And that reaction stayed for quite some time. In fact, LOTB was my #1 most hated TD album for quite a while. Then, one day, my dad came back from work having listened to LOTB in the car, and he liked it a lot. He said if I just thought of it as not being a TD album, I might like it better. So I gave it another listen. Result: WOW! :) But, seriously, while I'm still not crazy about the album, it's grown on me considerably. I think my biggest complaint with the album is there are too many short tracks with not enough contrast. And some of the tunes are just plain boring, IMHO. HOWEVER, there's one track on the album I want to mention specifically, the track that really saves the album for me: Mount Shasta. Mount Shasta is an absolute masterpiece. It's one of the most divinely beautiful pieces I've ever heard come from the minds of Froese & Co. I've *been* to Mount Shasta, and this piece captures the ethereal beauty of Mount Shasta like nothing else I could possibly imagine. The atmosphere, the elegance, the heavenly aura of this piece is just amazing -- especially considering the mood of the rest of the album. It's like this piece doesn't fit or something! What a gem, that's all I can say! Last track's cool, too. Nice flute. Regards, Jared P. S. Radio City....well, thank God Jerome improved by the time Rockoon came out. :) Bye! From: Chris Richards Date: Sun May 21, 2000 11:09 am Subject: Re: WMMS/radio sabotauge/Yes <> Reportedly, Yes once saboutaged a radio broadcast from Madison Square Garden, to discourage taping or bootlegging or whatever. The real embarassment about WMMS is that it used to be a really great radio station. They actually played the first Rush album back when it was still only available on the band's own label. From the airplay, somehow, Mercury Records took an interest in the band, and the rest is history. There's even a 'Thank You' on the back cover of the Mercury Records version of that first album going out to Donna Halper (who was a programming type at the station who had picked up the album while on a trip to Toronto) and the station for 'Getting the ball rolling' or some such. BTW, any of you cats in the Cleveland area going to the Yesshow at Blossom Music Center in July?? I'm DESPERATELY looking for a ride to the concert! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: 'grafzeigen' Date: Sun May 21, 2000 6:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Roger Waters Concert 6/2/00 in Tampa ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Grabowsky To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:48 AM Subject: [tadream] OT: Roger Waters Concert 6/2/00 in Tampa > I have 2 extra tickets available for the upcoming Roger Waters concert on > Friday June 2nd in Tampa FL, at the Ice Palace. I first saw Roger Waters in 1984 doing the 'Pros and Cons' tour in Chicago. He had no less than Eric Clapton on guitar with him (and lots of other great musicians). I still consider it the single best concert I've ever seen! Including Floyd themselves. (Sorry TD...but you never tour anywhere near where I can catch you live). I was lucky enough to get tickets for Roger's current show coming up in Chicago in July...which is no small trick since he usually sells out in literally minutes!! I'm really looking forward to it. Anybody who doesn't grab tickets to this show when they can is an idiot IMOP:-) Graf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22572 Solar Eclipse CDs (LAST 3 COPIES)! Rainer Rutka Sun 5/21/2000 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun May 21, 2000 7:46 pm Subject: Solar Eclipse CDs (LAST 3 COPIES)! Hi! In the end I have 3 original Solar Eclipse CDs left! To everybody who wants to get their hands onto it - write me an email (and PLEASE(!) don't forget your address). If somebody just ordered one - and I foregot - please send me a note, too. Something more: To all the pals who did not payed for the CD now, please do it (especially from the U.S.). At the moment it doesn't look to good for me ;-(. To everybody who will get their copies now, I wrote an email just some minutes ago. So stay tuned. You can find some infos onto my Td-fanpage: www.rutka.de/td -> NEW Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Mon Aug 21, 2000 10:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI site update >Um, it's Sobornost, a wholly unreleased track. You can hear tangentization >on this track (strings/voice patches) so this is another release to avoid. >Morgan Yeah, YOU sure must avoid it if you cannot accept that TD should have the right of adding anything to their earlier musical ideas. Sorry, I had to say it again. Some of you are talking about 'tangentization' as if it were a criminal offence. Am I wrong in assuming that the majority of fans are glad that these tracks are getting released in any form at all? You have heard ca. 1 minute of this track and you are already crying wolf. Man, aren't you a bit fast in your judgement? Pal From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun May 21, 2000 11:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI site update << Yeah, YOU sure must avoid it if you cannot accept that TD should have the right of adding anything to their earlier musical ideas. Sorry, I had to say it again. Some of you are talking about 'tangentization' as if it were a criminal offence. >> *In some cases it is. Edgars Beyond the Storm anthology adds upright bass and sax samples to the Mellotron masterpiece 'Epsilon' . That's just clueless. Worst case of Tnagentizing I'm aware of. What exactly is so horrible about releasing something the way it is ? There are plenty of people who prefer it that way. I, for one prefer to listen to an untouched 'boot' with a mediocre recording, than something that's scribbled over.... If it's a matter of 'rights' sure, they have the right to add whatever they like, just as people have the 'right' to say they don't like it. Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22625 Re: TDI site update Jared White Wed 5/24/2000 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun May 21, 2000 11:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] end of Tangentization b*tching by this list member >From: 'Szatmari, Pal' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI site update >Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:06:51 +0200 > > >Um, it's Sobornost, a wholly unreleased track. You can hear >tangentization > >on this track (strings/voice patches) so this is another release to >avoid. > >Morgan > > >Yeah, YOU sure must avoid it if you cannot accept that TD should have the >right of adding anything to their earlier musical ideas. Sorry, I had to >say >it again. Some of you are talking about 'tangentization' as if it were a >criminal offence. Am I wrong in assuming that the majority of fans are glad >that these tracks are getting released in any form at all? >You have heard ca. 1 minute of this track and you are already crying wolf. >Man, aren't you a bit fast in your judgement? This is a debate that will rage until TD has long since disbanded and lives on in our CD players or whatever format we are using 10-20 years from now. Absolutely, it is the right of an artist to change their past material and release it. It is the right of every artist to try to rewrite history (at least that is what it sounds like). It *personally* upsets me when one artist, without the assistance of the rest of the band, adds his interpretations on top of 20 year old material. This is personal opinion and of course people disagree, most especially Edgar. Maybe it will help you to understand my mindset when you think about what each of the members of TD brought to the old music. If you have not seen a concert or video of a concert from back then, you won't have this insight. Edgar almost always brought melody and 'filling in the gaps', plus playing electric and acoustic guitar. Listen to his solo stuff! Chris and Johannes really shared the rest. This included the pulsing sequences, staccato patterns, and rhythms. Johannes often threw some quirks and dischord into the music and our patience in listening later paid off as we went from 'dark' sounds to 'light' sounds. So now fast forward to today. The balance is all off, in my opinion. So when Edgar alone tries to reinterpret old TD, he tries to fill in holes that do not need filling. He tries to get across ideas that our imaginations already figured out WITHOUT having to hear the notes. And the samples that Edgar uses to add the melody baffle me to this day. There are a hundred faux voice and string samples out there. The ones he has chosen are enough to make me come back over and over to this list and rant. And as to my complaints about Antique Dreams already, there was not adequate warning for Soundmill Navigator to hardcore fans that it would be essentially a new album with some backing tape of the original concert, instead of what we all hoped for, which is an ARCHIVAL RELEASE. Especially since TDI posted a message here on this list that it would be undoctored. So I am not trying to start a humongous war, just warn people that once again, history is being rewritten in the key of Edgar. I haven't bought Soundmill Navigator (it hasn't appeared at any local shops yet) nor Antique Dreams but I will probably buy them, and then put them on the shelf and listen to my fantapes in silence, and pretend I am actually back in 1981, standing a few rows back from the stage, almost fainting as the teenage girls do today at Backstreet Boys concerts. Instead of looking through murky rose-colored glass to a bygone era of what Edgar wants to show me now. I don't buy TD for one artist, I buy TD for TD. And I'm sure you fans of other groups feel the same way. I am pulling the plug on my own tangentization rants from here out, as I feel now that I have adequately covered things. I will make 2 more points: Most of the tangentization on Dream Roots was done tastefully, so there is hope. Completely reworked tracks like Phaedra and Logos on Tangents, plus all the reworked material on Tangerine Ambience I and II, and then Dream Mixes I and II aren't billed as archival releases, but new interpretations, and I happen to love them. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Mon May 22, 2000 3:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Roger Waters Concert 6/2/00 in Tampa > I first saw Roger Waters in 1984 doing the 'Pros and Cons' tour in > Chicago. He had no less than Eric Clapton on guitar with him (and > lots of other great musicians). I still consider it the single best > concert I've ever seen! And after listening to this particular show again last night, Clapton is hot, hot, hot! :-) From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Mon May 22, 2000 8:52 am Subject: Tyranny of Beauty How easy is it to get an original Miramar copy of 'Tyranny of Beauty' in the US? I've just bought a US import of the CD on the Miramar label with the original artwork whilst on a daytrip to London. Just walked into a shop, seen it, bought it - simple as that! I must admit - the artwork on the Miramar release is a lot better than that of the TDI release. ============== Simon Slator Website: http://pages.zoom.co.uk/simon.slator Download my own music at: http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon May 22, 2000 11:08 am Subject: Solar Eclipse Hi! ... now I have only 2 (!) last copies! www.rutka.de/td -> NEWS -> Solar Eclipse last chance! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glynn Naughton Date: Mon May 22, 2000 10:54 am Subject: Hot under the potboiler Jared sez: >Wh-a-a-a-at...? I'm afraid you lost me on that one. In case you didn't >notice, Ambient Monkeys is pre-concert music from TD's 1997 (or is it 1996?) >European tour. It's not supposed to be 'great' music!!! I'd like to ask you >folks something -- why are you all focusing on petty soundtracks and >pre-concert ambience and presenting them as proof of TD's horrible demise >when REAL albums which are FAR more indicative of TD's modern era are just >forgotten? Admit it: some of you really have an axe to grind. And the air's >getting staler by the minute. > >And if anyone comes back with a snide remark about me throwing around gospel >again, just take a look at Morgan's statement above. I personally find his >'proof' laughable. > >Regards, > >Jared Actually, it could be argued that TD have not released a full-blown 'real' album since _Goblin's Club_ in September 1996. All we've had since then is a sequence of 'petty soundtracks', gimmick potboilers and rehashed old stuff. Remember that for a long time, _Lions Share_ was billed on the TDI web site as the next 'proper' TD album, before it abruptly disappeared and _Mars Polaris_ (previously yet another 'petty soundtrack') was upgraded to that position. And what are this year's releases? _GWOC_ (petty soundtrack), _Soundmill Navigator_ and _Antique Dreams_ (rehashed old stuff) and _Dream Mixes 3_ (gimmick potboiler). Still not a genuine new album in sight. On another subject: is it just me, or are the frequency and fervour of TD 'religious wars' increasing? I suggest the following: when anyone feels the temperature under their collar starting to rise, simply repeat the following mantra - 'Tangerine Dream is only a pop group; Tangerine Dream is only a pop group' over and over again until it returns to normal. It worked for me, a former anti-modern TD hothead now possessed of a Zen-like acceptance of, and, frankly, near-indifference to all things Froesian... ;-) Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22587 Hot under the potboiler Hassinen Ami Tue 5/23/2000 2 KB 22589 Re: Hot under the potboiler Gabe Yedid Tue 5/23/2000 3 KB From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Sun May 21, 2000 10:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Denoised Soundmill Navigator. Hmmm I tried that first thing but it didn't do it for me. I'll have to try again. Wish you could remember the cutoff :-) Thanks KRIS > Hi gang. > > Pleased to announce that I'm now playing a denoised > copy of Soundmill Navigator. I was so appalled by the > low sound quality presented by TD and TDI here that I > just had to do something about it. > > After analyzing the fft fft fft sound I noticed that > it resides very high in the frequency range. Meaning > it is very easy to remove. (SNIP) ____________________________________________________ This message has been scanned for content with MailSweeper. A virus check has been done with CommandCom Software and it has been determined clean. ____________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Nigelsan@a... Date: Mon May 22, 2000 5:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Roger Waters Concert 6/2/00 in Tampa If you have ever read Clapton's autobiography, he states that playing with Roger Waters was the worst career move he ever made. (and he made quite a few!) However, I agree he was bloody good! Cheer Nigel From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue May 23, 2000 1:06 am Subject: [tadream] Discussion Week 33 - Tuesday 23th May (I think Lawry is away or something, but here we go) Next up is 3 albums from TD. Please make your subject read 'D:Soundtrack [Catch Me If You Can]' 'D:Soundtrack [Destination Berlin]' 'D:Soundtrack [The Man Inside ]' for the benefit of archive searching. We welcome comments on the discussion week albums from everyone, old and new to the list alike. Regards, Jan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Tue May 23, 2000 4:42 am Subject: The term 'tangentization'... Now that the Soundmill Navigator release has made the 'tangentization' wars erupt again, I humbly suggest this: Considering that: - it's generally agreed that most tangentization on Tangents was done tastefully and, save a few cases, respecting the original tunes. - it's generally agreed the same for Dream Roots. - Sohoman haters state that the tangentization was terrible, because it stomps over the original sounds. - Soundmill Navigator seems to suffer the same fate [haven't gotten it yet], with the added insult of being announced as 'undoctored' by TDI. - the term 'tangentization' is being used for two distinctly different meanings ('good' [Tangents, DR] and 'bad' [Sohoman, SN] tangentization). I suggest we separate both meanings into separate words: 'tangentization' should keep the initial meaning ('good'), while the new word 'sohomanization' should adopt the latter meaning ('bad tangentization'). I believe this new term should help us avoid the fights based on people believe a ranter against a release like SN is opposed to any form of tangentization. -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@w... #include // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22584 Re: The term 'tangentization'... Heiko Heerssen Tue 5/23/2000 2 KB 22586 Re: The term 'tangentization'... Feldon Feldon Tue 5/23/2000 5 KB 22588 Re: The term 'tangentization'... Gabe Yedid Tue 5/23/2000 2 KB 22594 Re: The term 'tangentization'... Szatmari, Pal Tue 5/23/2000 4 KB 22603 Re: The term 'tangentization'... Feldon Feldon Wed 5/24/2000 3 KB 22643 Re: The term 'tangentization'... Joe Shoults Thu 5/25/2000 3 KB 22628 Re: The term 'tangentization'... Miguel Farah F. Thu 5/25/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue May 23, 2000 6:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The term 'tangentization'... Miguel Farah F. wrote: > I suggest we separate both meanings into separate words: > 'tangentization' should keep the initial meaning ('good'), while the new > word 'sohomanization' should adopt the latter meaning ('bad > tangentization'). 'Sohomanization'..... ~LOL~ Wait until you've heard 'Soundmill Navigator'....compared to 'Sohoman' you might like to change your term into 'Soundmillization'! Heiko n.p.: The Nightcrawlers: Alone after dark From: Chris Richards Date: Tue May 23, 2000 9:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 237 <> In one of the Pink Floyd books, it suggests that he was a bit drunk when Waters asked him to do it, he was later a bit embarassed and felt it might not be the right thing to do, but agreed to do it because he had given his word. Interesting note: when Clapton went on to do his Behind The Sun album and tour, he took two of Roger's back up musicians with him: guitarist Tim Renwick and keyboardist Chris Stainton. Renwick is a life long friend of Gilmour's, and until last year, had the distinction of being the only musician to tour with both Waters as a solo artist and the post-Waters Pink Floyd. Last year, and I assume this year as well, he had Jon Carin on keyboards, guitars and vocals. Like Renwick, Carin played on the last two Floyd tours, and interestingly enough, seems to be doing the exact opposite for Roger that he did for Floyd. On the Floyd tours, Carin sang the verses of Comfortably Numb (actually, vocal harmony with Rick Wright and bassist Guy Pratt) and the last verse of Hey You, basically the stuff Waters did on The Wall. On the Waters tour, he sang Gilmour's parts on one song (I won't say which one, don't want to spoil the fun) and played a lap steel solo on another so. So, he basically filled in for Waters on the Floyd tours (vocally, anyway), and is filling in, partially anyway, for Gilmour on the Waters tour. I thought Waters was great when I saw him last year. Wasn't sure how I'd like it, but Doyle Bramhall II and Snowy White did a great job filling in for Gilmour! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue May 23, 2000 1:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The term 'tangentization'... >From: 'Miguel Farah F.' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] The term 'tangentization'... >Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:42:01 -0400 (CLT) > >Now that the Soundmill Navigator release has made the 'tangentization' >wars erupt again, I humbly suggest this: > >Considering that: > >- it's generally agreed that most tangentization on Tangents was done > tastefully and, save a few cases, respecting the original tunes. THIS IS NOT GENERALLY AGREED, otherwise there would be few complaints and the list would not use the term 'tangentization' for the last 3 years if we thought it was a good thing! >- it's generally agreed the same for Dream Roots. I thought about HALF of the tangentization on Dream Roots was good and the other half takes away from the original music. Tangent (Poland) = bad example; most of the 1st disc, good example. >- Sohoman haters state that the tangentization was terrible, because it > stomps over the original sounds. No different than what is done on Tangents in many places. Except Sohoman and Soundmill Navigator were extreme. The last 4 minutes of Sohoman are fiction, and all the wonderful guitar work is stripped away from the CD. Edgar even had the idea to change the Logos segment on there, making the tangentization effects quite obvious and quite asanine! The first 10-11 minutes of Soundmill Navigator are fictious, This tells me that Edgar isn't happy with ANY of the material that's more than 3 years old. But maybe he feels obligated to release it, but not obligated enough to release it in archival form. >- the term 'tangentization' is being used for two distinctly different > meanings ('good' [Tangents, DR] and 'bad' [Sohoman, SN] tangentization). I think you are confused. Tangentization is a bad thing, in my opinion. And many on the list feel the same way. I think you've missed my whole point. Some of the changes on Dream Roots 'aren't that bad' but none of it is great. What is truly painful is to hear radically changed material we can't buy anywhere in undoctored form, such as all these old concerts. Frankly, I don't see any reason for Edgar to continue releasing concerts/old material in this form. Short of equalization and cleaning up the sound, if he is going to radically change and try to *rewrite history*, then Edgar, please just release new albums and forget trying to satisfy fans with old releases because you're not satisfying us! Edgar needs to do what HE, as an artist wants to do. He is an artist and needs the liberty and freedom to produce music he likes and ignore the critics. He has done this from day 1 (he can't say he completely ignores critics though because he pulled the plug on the band's 'Cyclone' direction after its release). Soundmill Navigator, Sohoman, and Antique Dreams are all examples of what happens when there is a conflict between what the fans want, and what Edgar is willing to do. He is releasing this material for the fans, but he is not willing to do it 100% untouched. So he should just ignore fans and do what HE wants, which is 1990's style TD. >I suggest we separate both meanings into separate words: >'tangentization' should keep the initial meaning ('good'), while the new >word 'sohomanization' should adopt the latter meaning ('bad >tangentization'). Miguel, there is no distinction. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Hassinen Ami' Date: Tue May 23, 2000 2:10 pm Subject: Re:Hot under the potboiler Glynn wrote: >Remember that for a long time, _Lions Share_ was billed on the TDI web site >as the next 'proper' TD album, before it abruptly disappeared and _Mars >Polaris_ (previously yet another 'petty soundtrack') was upgraded to that >position. It´s within the limits of possibilites that Mars Polaris IS actually Lion´s Share with a more trendy name... Perhaps they just wanted to 'jump the bandwagon to Mars' ;-) termos, A Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22589 Re: Hot under the potboiler Gabe Yedid Tue 5/23/2000 3 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Tue May 23, 2000 2:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The term 'tangentization'... On Tue, 23 May 2000, Miguel Farah F. wrote: > I suggest we separate both meanings into separate words: > 'tangentization' should keep the initial meaning ('good'), while the new > word 'sohomanization' should adopt the latter meaning ('bad > tangentization'). > > I believe this new term should help us avoid the fights based on people > believe a ranter against a release like SN is opposed to any form of > tangentization. I'd go one step further: 'Tangentization'--the act of overdubbing by itself 'Sohomanization'--overdubbing that more or less swamps the original + added material not originally part of the reworked material 'Soundmillization'--Sohomanization + severe mastering flaws that could have been fixed. :-) :-( :-S Gabe From: Gabe Yedid Date: Tue May 23, 2000 3:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:Hot under the potboiler On Tue, 23 May 2000, Hassinen Ami wrote: > Glynn wrote: > >Remember that for a long time, _Lions Share_ was billed on the TDI web site > >as the next 'proper' TD album, before it abruptly disappeared and _Mars > >Polaris_ (previously yet another 'petty soundtrack') was upgraded to that > >position. > > It´s within the limits of possibilites that Mars Polaris IS actually Lion´s > Share with a more trendy name... Perhaps they just wanted to 'jump the > bandwagon to Mars' ;-) I personally don't understand why people keep thinking _Mars Polaris_ was supposed to be a soundtrack. While TDI has been known for obfuscation at best, and outright falsehoods at worst, I always thought it was pretty obvious from what they said in the pre-release promo material that _Mars Polaris_ could be used as a *personal* soundtrack, a musical guide to a mental voyage to Mars (which it mostly fails at, IMO), but there was never any mention of its being a real soundtrack to some video project which never saw the light of day. And as for its not being a 'real studio release', doesn't anyone think that TD's mounting the Osnabrueck show was going through undue trouble for something that was just a 'petty soundtrack'? Is any of this rooted in your personal feelings towards _Mars Polaris_, Glynn? Gabe From: Roger Hartopp Date: Tue May 23, 2000 3:33 pm Subject: Re: Tyranny of Beauty > > How easy is it to get an original Miramar copy of > 'Tyranny of Beauty' in the US? I've just bought a US > import of the CD on the Miramar label with the > original artwork whilst on a daytrip to London. Just > walked into a shop, seen it, bought it - simple as > that! I must admit - the artwork on the Miramar > release is a lot better than that of the TDI > release. > > ============== > Simon Slator > I don't know about that, but if you ever find the AMP version - the original British release of TOB - avoid. The insert looks like a computer scan, along with the details pressed on the disc itself. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie From: Roger Hartopp Date: Tue May 23, 2000 3:47 pm Subject: Re: the term 'tangentisation' Subject: The term 'tangentization'... 'Now that the Soundmill Navigator release has made the 'tangentization' wars erupt again, I humbly suggest this:Considering that: - it's generally agreed that most tangentization on Tangents was done tastefully and, save a few cases, respecting the original tunes. - it's generally agreed the same for Dream Roots. - Sohoman haters state that the tangentization was terrible, because it stomps over the original sounds. - Soundmill Navigator seems to suffer the same fate [haven't gotten it yet], with the added insult of being announced as 'undoctored' by TDI. - the term 'tangentization' is being used for two distinctly different meanings ('good' [Tangents, DR] and 'bad' [Sohoman, SN] tangentization). I suggest we separate both meanings into separate words: 'tangentization' should keep the initial meaning ('good'), while the new word 'sohomanization' should adopt the latter meaning ('badtangentization'). I believe this new term should help us avoid the fights based on people believe a ranter against a release like SN is opposed to any form of tangentization.' ...all I can say to this, is, IF 'Soundmill Navigator' had never been performed in concert (and recorded during a rehearsal), or security had been incredibly efficient in confiscating every tape recorder at the venue, would any of you have noticed?? This is the first time I heard the track in any form, and, let's face it, I wouldn't have been the wiser until everyone told me. Does this mean that every subsequent release from the past will get accused of this process - tangentisation, sohomanisation, soundmillisation, dreamixisation, whatever, even if Edgar decides he will leave a recording untouched? My main concern is that fans who don't have access to fantapes and bootlegs to previously unrelated material could be denied hearing these tracks in any kind of form if Edgar decides, after reading all these comments, not to bother any more. A lot of the remixing has been subtle (with the exception of 'Song of the Whale'), and in many cases, has enhanced many recordings. If you THINK the next release has been tangentised - then don't bother buying it. But let the rest of us enjoy the music. Many of us haven't heard it before. There. That's me off my soapbox... Roger ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22595 Re: the term 'tangentisation' Radu Velicescu Tue 5/23/2000 2 KB 22597 Re: the term 'tangentisation' Feldon Feldon Tue 5/23/2000 6 KB 22600 Re: the term 'tangentisation' Marcel Engels Tue 5/23/2000 2 KB From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Tue May 23, 2000 4:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 512 > >> I suggest we separate both meanings into separate words: >> 'tangentization' should keep the initial meaning ('good'), while the new >> word 'sohomanization' should adopt the latter meaning ('bad >> tangentization'). > >'Sohomanization'..... ~LOL~ >Wait until you've heard 'Soundmill Navigator'....compared to 'Sohoman' you >might like to change your term into 'Soundmillization'! Maybe so, but Sohoman DID come before SN... -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@w... #include // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22608 Re: Digest Number 512 Mark Edmonds Wed 5/24/2000 3 KB 22615 Re: Digest Number 512 Feldon Feldon Wed 5/24/2000 2 KB From: Glynn Naughton Date: Tue May 23, 2000 5:30 pm Subject: Re: hot under the potboiler Gabe sez: >I personally don't understand why people keep thinking _Mars Polaris_ was >supposed to be a soundtrack. > > >Is any of this rooted in your personal feelings towards _Mars Polaris_, >Glynn? > >Gabe No; it was an error on my part. I rarely read the TD Web pages closely anymore and I must have picked up on the word 'soundtrack' in the blurb and as a result I've always vaguely assumed that _MP_ was the music to some video about the Mars Lander, or something. I don't have any feelings as such about the CD. The first track is OK, the second has that harpsichord sound and the rest all sort of blur together. That's about as much as I can remember... However, I can understand why someone who is more fastidious about TD would be irritated by such an oft-repeated and lazy misapprehension. In a similar vein, it used to piss me off that Lester Bangs' 'The Day I Saw God and/or Tangerine Dream' essay is always construed as worshipful (c.f. the _Tangents_ booklet) when in fact it's a heavily ironic *anti* TD piece. It always amazed me that people couldn't see that. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22665 Re: hot under the potboiler Gabe Yedid Fri 5/26/2000 2 KB From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Fri Jun 23, 2000 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The term 'tangentization'... >I think you are confused. Tangentization is a bad thing, in my opinion. And >many on the list feel the same way. I may also be confused because Tangentization is a good thing in my opinion. And many on the list feel the same way. You must consider the fact that owing to the nature of mailing lists, usually it is the negative comments thet get posted. So you may be misjudging the preference of 'tangentization'. (As I may be misjudging it as well). There are lots of lurkers... >Frankly, I >don't see any reason for Edgar to continue releasing concerts/old material >in this form. Short of equalization and cleaning up the sound, if he is >going to radically change and try to *rewrite history*, then Edgar, please >just release new albums and forget trying to satisfy fans with old releases >because you're not satisfying us! Excuse me for a minute... I hope Edgar will go on releasing new and old stuff and you and everyone else (including myself) will decide to buy it or not. You will now say 'Before paying my hard-earned money, how will I know if it is tangentized or not?' Well, just stay on the list, that is how. Or try out a record store where you are allowed to listen to the CDs all the way. >(he can't say he completely ignores >critics though because he pulled the plug on the band's 'Cyclone' direction >after its release). Just like 'pulling the plug' on the band's gazillion other directions. >So he should just >ignore fans and do what HE wants, which is 1990's style TD. No wonder it IS all confusing. I cannot tell whether you think that he should or should not do what he wants (see your lines above). >>I suggest we separate both meanings into separate words: >>'tangentization' should keep the initial meaning ('good'), while the new >>word 'sohomanization' should adopt the latter meaning ('bad >>tangentization'). > >Miguel, there is no distinction. >Morgan You're right. No distinction, only there are people who reject 'tangentization' and people who actually like it. But we are back at square one... I accept that you don't like 'tangentized' material however it does not mean that Edgar should stop releasing these CDs. Why should we deprive ourselves of the opportunity of one more choice (i.e. should I buy it or not)? Those who don't like tangentization, will probably go on listening to their fan recordings and those who like it, will cherish Tangents or Sohoman etc... So this 'rewriting history' blah-blah-blah is for historians... I am a dreamer.... Pal From: Radu Velicescu Date: Tue May 23, 2000 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: the term 'tangentisation' > ...all I can say to this, is, IF 'Soundmill Navigator' > had never been performed in concert (and recorded > during a rehearsal), or security had been incredibly > efficient in confiscating every tape recorder at the > venue, would any of you have noticed?? That's a definite yes! You don't need the boot to notice that there are 1976 layers to the music and that 2000 layers have been added. The effect was more pronounced in Sohoman, but SN too, year 2000 synths definitely sound different than 1976 vintage synths. I do have to admit that without the boot we wouldn't have noticed the 'spraying' sound was not part of the original music. All you need to do is really listen to the music and not let it play as background music and you'll notice. Radu NP- Hannover 76 From: 'Todd Tornow' Date: Tue May 23, 2000 5:43 pm Subject: Phaedra My recent experience with Phaedra has been interesting. Years ago, the first several times I heard it, I thought that it was just a bunch of noise. Now I can hardly put it down. Just another TD album that takes a while to like. I only now understand why it was so popular. Todd ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue May 23, 2000 6:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: the term 'tangentisation' >From: Roger Hartopp > >Subject: The term 'tangentization'... >'Now that the Soundmill Navigator release has made the >'tangentization' wars erupt again, I humbly suggest >this:Considering that: > >...all I can say to this, is, IF 'Soundmill Navigator' >had never been performed in concert (or recorded >during a rehearsal), or security had been incredibly >efficient in confiscating every tape recorder at the >venue, would any of you have noticed?? HELL YES! >This is the first time I heard the track in any form, >and, let's face it, I wouldn't have been the wiser >until everyone told me. Go back and listen to Tangents, and then listen to all the source material. If you can't see an easily recognizable pattern, then there's something wrong. And Soundmill Navigator starts out with 10 minutes of purely year 2000 music, with no elements from the original late 1970's recording. If you can't tell the difference between Encore and Great Wall of China, might wanna get your ears checked. >Does this mean that every >subsequent release from the past will get accused of >this process - tangentisation, sohomanisation, >soundmillisation, dreamixisation, whatever, even if >Edgar decides he will leave a recording untouched? First, it's obvious that Edgar isn't going to do this. Second... We have ears! We know the difference between a 1998 Korg voice sample, strings, and 12 string guitar compared to 1970's and 1980's vintage equipment. You can't fake something like that. Anyways, Edgar's style today is night-and-day compared to his style back then. The notes he pastes on top of the old material are positively saccharin. It is very noticable to even the casual TD fan. >My main concern is that fans who don't have access to >fantapes and bootlegs to previously unrelated material >could be denied hearing these tracks in any kind of >form if Edgar decides, after reading all these >comments, not to bother any more. If Edgar is going to release all these things with 'rewritten history' or Tangentization, they should be labeled as such, especially when TDI's own people are telling us that it will be untouched. And Edgar shouldn't feel all smug like he is doing hardcore fans a favor by releasing this stuff cause he's not. Sorry if that sounds harsh but I am a hardcore fan and I am not excited in the least about buying these albums. I'm just doing it because Edgar deserves the money for the efforts he and the other band members put in BACK THEN. I'll put those on the shelf and listen to the fantape. Another point, you may think that only hardcore fans of TD are affected by/bothered by these updates. I have one word for you... COLORIZATION Turner and other companies spent MILLIONS of dollars colorizing old black and white movies. And what does the *general public* prefer? The original black and white. So it's not just TD and it's not just Tangentization. It is a general idea by an artist that he can 'improve' stuff that is 20+ years old, and he is simply mistaken. It's a shame, because I can sympathize with Edgar. All musicians probably wish they could have inserted an extra note here or there, or add some more timbres to the music, but it doesn't work. Once music is a few years old, it is like a snapshot in time, and any attempt to change it, short of redoing it from scratch, is like drawing a moustache on the Mona Lisa. Edgar says he doesn't like to listen to the old material, so why doesn't he have someone at TDI pick through the archives, and just release it. Hell, he doesn't even have to listen to it. I know people on this list have personally volunteered to Edgar/TDI to do such a task. For those people who think George Lucas is an egotistical jerk, at least he got the releasing of Star Wars right! He went back, and cleaned up Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi to perfect pristine condition, and completely unmodified from the original form, and released them. Then, George had his fun. He went back and added 10-15 minutes of material to each movie, with lots of stuff he *wanted to do* back then, such as nearly tripling the number of people in the various cities, and adding extra landing and takeoff shots of the Millenium Falcon. He added all kinds of computer animated graphics. Then he released that, and labeled it as 'special edition'. >A lot of the remixing has been subtle (with the >exception of 'Song of the Whale'), and in many cases, >has enhanced many recordings. > >If you THINK the next release has been tangentised - >then don't bother buying it. But let the rest of us >enjoy the music. Many of us haven't heard it before. Ok, but tell Edgar to label it. He was very good about labeling it on Tangents and Dream Roots. In contrast, Sohoman, Soundmill Navigator, and Antique Dreams are billed as being 'classic releases from concerts and out-of-print/rare releases' when that's not the case. It is in fact interpretations of the old material. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22600 Re: the term 'tangentisation' Marcel Engels Tue 5/23/2000 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue May 23, 2000 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Talking on radio broadcasts > The trouble with college radio is, of course, reception. Fortunately, we > still have NPR; I've just about given up on music radio. Is it this bad > everywhere or is Cleveland just cursed? It's the same everywhere, in North America anyway. All radio stations in all major markets are owned by guys whose only interest is making money, and that means selling the most (and most expensive) ads. The way to land those is by getting the right demographic groups (i.e. people who can be persuaded by ads to buy useless crap) to listen to your station in large numbers. Consequently, anything that attracts only a small audience is denied access to airwaves that in the beginning were supposed to belong to the public. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Airwave Date: Tue May 23, 2000 8:18 pm Subject: RE: Denoised Soundmill Navigator Rhen, Kris wrote: > Hmmm I tried that first thing but it didn't do it for me. Don't know what you did wrong, but I am using highly specialized software to do this. CoolEdit, FreeFilter and the likes are no good IMO. > I'll have to try again. Wish you could remember the cutoff :-) Just remembered that I applied a dynamic High Pass Band Filter to filter at various frequencies throughout the recording. This was done rather quickly, and I have made several adjustments since then. Most notably with a noise filtering routine and a 512 band EQ. The fft fft fft noise doesn't stick to the same freq. It alters a little. Besides I didn't wanna hurt the new added recordings more than I had to. The new denoised copy is not perfect yet, but it's getting even better. Now if only I had a raw tape recording with nothing but the fft fft fft sound on it, then I could nail it perfectly. (Maybe TD would like to send me a tape with fft fft fft ?) ;-))) AirWave. From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue May 23, 2000 7:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: the term 'tangentisation' > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] I must say I completely agree with Feldon about this tangentisation... I just don't enjoy listening to some 2000 voices on top of older material. In fact it's not only new voices on top, it's completely different music. Don't be afraid, I will never do that...also I won't change the material on the Okefenokee CDR...it's a 'moment-opname' (recorded at that moment with the 'emotions' of that moment, which can't be recreated in the studio). Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels Email :mengels@w... From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Tue May 23, 2000 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Talking on radio broadcasts > It's the same everywhere, in North America anyway. All radio stations in > all major markets are owned by guys whose only interest is making money, > and that means selling the most (and most expensive) ads. The way to land > those is by getting the right demographic groups (i.e. people who can > be persuaded by ads to buy useless crap) to listen to your station in > large numbers. Consequently, anything that attracts only a small audience > is denied access to airwaves that in the beginning were supposed to belong > to the public. Which, my friend, is one of the greatest things about capitalism...it is based on the universal economic laws of supply and demand. If all the world wanted to hear our beloved 'fringe' music, it wouldn't be 'fringe' anymore. And us musical 'elitists' would just have to go find something else that was 'not so commercial' to listen to. So just remember, the best things in life are not free (except maybe sex, and that is only in certain situations!) From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue May 23, 2000 8:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Talking on radio broadcasts From: 'Sean Montgomery' > It's the same everywhere, in North America anyway. All radio stations in > all major markets are owned by guys whose only interest is making money, > and that means selling the most (and most expensive) ads. The way to land > those is by getting the right demographic groups (i.e. people who can > be persuaded by ads to buy useless crap) to listen to your station in > large numbers. Consequently, anything that attracts only a small audience > is denied access to airwaves that in the beginning were supposed to belong > to the public. It's the 'Spirit of Radio', man! Talk Radio rules, anyway... - jim From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed May 24, 2000 12:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The term 'tangentization'... >From: 'Szatmari, Pal' > > >(he can't say he completely ignores > >critics though because he pulled the plug on the band's 'Cyclone' >direction > >after its release). > >Just like 'pulling the plug' on the band's gazillion other directions. I think Cyclone was one of the very few times that Edgar bowed to fan pressure, maybe I am wrong. It doesn't take being booed off stage many times to have a reaction. > >So he should just > >ignore fans and do what HE wants, which is 1990's style TD. > >No wonder it IS all confusing. I cannot tell whether you think that he >should or should not do what he wants (see your lines above). I have thought some more, and revised my original viewpoint. Rather than bitch all day about what Edgar *should* do, I am saying, Edgar can do what he wants, but he shouldn't try to make fans happy because he is doing a lousy job of trying. It goes against Edgar's nature to release old material untouched, so he should just leave it alone instead of trying to half-satisfy fans. And Edgar shouldn't be all smug 'look, I'm releasing the old stuff now! I'm opening the vaults!' -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22643 Re: The term 'tangentization'... Joe Shoults Thu 5/25/2000 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed May 24, 2000 12:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Talking on radio broadcasts >From: 'Craig Chambers' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Talking on radio broadcasts >Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 15:37:15 -0400 > > > It's the same everywhere, in North America anyway. All radio stations >in > > all major markets are owned by guys whose only interest is making money, > > and that means selling the most (and most expensive) ads. The way to >land > > those is by getting the right demographic groups (i.e. people who can > > be persuaded by ads to buy useless crap) to listen to your station in > > large numbers. Consequently, anything that attracts only a small >audience > > is denied access to airwaves that in the beginning were supposed to >belong > > to the public. > >Which, my friend, is one of the greatest things about capitalism...it is >based on the universal economic laws of supply and demand. If all the >world >wanted to hear our beloved 'fringe' music, it wouldn't be 'fringe' anymore. >And us musical 'elitists' would just have to go find something else that >was >'not so commercial' to listen to. Craig, no offense, but you are wrong. Pure capitalism is why Microsoft has 90% of the operating system's market even though they produce the buggiest, and most unreliable, unstable, and obese operating systems and software in the world. There is a large number of people who want something else, but they don't feel they have enough power, so they let the majority take hold. Radio stations are horrible today because of this majority, and unwillingness/lack of effort to make a change; to let corporations take hold. What NEEDS TO HAPPEN, is not pure capitalism, but a true reflection of what the various segments of society want. I'm not sure how radio has gone down the toilet like it has, because the auto industry isn't this bad. Maybe car manufacturers have enough money to be creative unlike radio. Or maybe it's because there is limited space on the radio dial, where you can always come out with a new car model. There are many many unique cars and not 'majority', such as the PT Cruiser, Volkswagen Beetle, and of course all the Italian and British import cars (hope I am not excluding too much here). The PT Cruiser, for example... Who would have thought that Chrysler would buck the stiff corporate trend and produce interesting cars? You'd expect the Viper and PT Cruiser from some kids with serious play money working out of a garage in California, not frustrated creative types in Detroit inside a huge car manufacturer. Maybe if cars had to have advertising stickers on the sides, and had to be paid for by advertising, we would have boring grey dull cars the way we have boring grey dull radio stations. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: PhilPDX@a... Date: Sat May 20, 2000 6:02 pm Subject: CDs for sale Hi. Paring down the collection a bit again. I have the following items for sale. Please add $1 per CD if outside the U.S. Please contact me offlist if interested. Thanks. Phil Derby Tangerine Dream - Sorcerer $8 Tangerine Dream - Canyon Dreams $7 Tangerine Dream - Livemiles (Caroline Records CD1349) $7 Tangerine Dream - Oasis $7 Klaus Schulze & Pete Namlook - Dark Side of the Moog 5 - $10 Klaus Schulze & Pete Namlook - Dark Side of the Moog 7 - $10 Klaus Schulze & Andreas Grosser - Babel $10 Klaus Schulze - Royal Festival Hall Vol. 1 - $8 Klaus Schulze - The Dome Event $8 Klaus Schulze - The Dresden Performance (2CD) $14 From: 'Rick' Date: Fri May 19, 2000 8:35 pm Subject: the next purchase Evenin' All, I am about to purchase my next 5 TD CD's, however I do not want to end up with...how can I put it ?.........funny noises pretending to be music. Can anyone advise me on the purchases I need to be making ? also some news on the 'avoid at all cost' CD's would be equally helpfull. I have listed the few TD CD's I own at present. TIA Rick Phaedra Rubycon Ricochet Force Majeure Strtosphere Encore White Eagle Thief Risky Business Dream Sequence Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22607 Re: the next purchase Feldon Feldon Wed 5/24/2000 2 KB 22612 Re: the next purchase j.gordon Wed 5/24/2000 2 KB 22614 Re: the next purchase Antonio Nunes Wed 5/24/2000 2 KB 22654 Re: the next purchase aoutland@a... Fri 5/26/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed May 24, 2000 4:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] the next purchase >From: 'Rick' > >Evenin' All, > > I am about to purchase my next 5 TD CD's, however I do not want to >end up with...how can I put it ?.........funny noises pretending to be >music. > >Phaedra >Rubycon >Ricochet >Force Majeure >Strtosphere >Encore >White Eagle >Thief >Risky Business >Dream Sequence Tangram* Logos Poland 2 CD Livemiles There is an album, Pergamon, which is similar to Tangram because it was the concert version of some of the material that later becamse Tangram. Still a good release! Beyond this, you might want to discreetly request if anyone is trading tapes on this list or the tangerinedream@egroups.com list. There are hours of music you would really enjoy hearing that are unlikely to be released (in any form). ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Mark Edmonds' Date: Tue May 23, 2000 10:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 512 > From: Heiko Heerssen >Subject: Re: The term 'tangentization'... >'Sohomanization'..... ~LOL~ >Wait until you've heard 'Soundmill Navigator'....compared to 'Sohoman' you >might like to change your term into 'Soundmillization'! > >Heiko Cripes, I am a bit out of touch here (year sabbatical from the list). I didn't realise Sohoman had been tangentised! I'm not wildly impressed with the album anyway (except Ayres Majestic) but the only doctoring I felt might be present after a few casual listens is the way tracks fade up after the bridge sections. What else has been done to it? On to Soundmill... when I saw this listed I thought 'Yay! Raw '76 TD!' and have eagerly scanned the record shops for it - no release in the UK yet. Now I hear it is meddled with, I am deeply shocked. I have never been happy with tangentisation, largely due to the incompatibility of old and new sounds plus the tendency to add too many surplus notes but what on earth has been done to Soundmill? Is this going to be another let down? I like the term Soundmillization but can I suggest an alternative? If you sort of merge Sohoman with Soundmill, add the 'isation' and slant things in a slightly rude manner, couldn't we use a more appropriate term... sodomisation? (sorry folks). Mark From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Wed May 24, 2000 8:43 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] the next purchase Hi Rick, Try -Tangram -Logos -Poland -Exit -Pergamon -Green Desert To name a few..... :-) Some of my favourites, anyway ! Good luck :-) Poul > Evenin' All, > > I am about to purchase my next 5 TD CD's, however I do not want to > end up with...how can I put it ?.........funny noises pretending to be > music. > > Can anyone advise me on the purchases I need to be making ? also some > news on the 'avoid at all cost' CD's would be equally helpfull. > I have listed the few TD CD's I own at present. > > TIA > Rick > > Phaedra > Rubycon > Ricochet > Force Majeure > Strtosphere > Encore > White Eagle > Thief > Risky Business > Dream Sequence > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > Remember the good 'ol days > http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/5/_/24785/_/959140336/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Wed May 24, 2000 9:35 am Subject: Re: Phaedra Todd: Your patience has been rewarded! Phaedra is an excellent album. My fav is 'Movements of a Visionary' but I love all of it. Always have; always will. Someone talks about a track on 'Antique Dreams': >>This is the 1986 edition of Phaedra as played from 1986-present during >>concerts during the 'vintage set'. but why 'Phaedra of Nottingham' ? Perhaps it's not the list to mention such things, but a Nottingham 1986 fantape does exist, and I'm listening to it again right now. Maybe it's my addled brain, but I can't detect anything remotely resembling Phaedra. I was there (as well as in 1976 and 1997). Cheers, Steve, a Nottingham resident (and TD fan) since 1973 ... - -- Home: steve@y... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22636 Re: Phaedra Joe Shoults Thu 5/25/2000 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed May 24, 2000 9:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Phaedra << Todd: Your patience has been rewarded! Phaedra is an excellent album. My fav is 'Movements of a Visionary' but I love all of it. Always have; always will.>> * I agree. I consider Phaedra to be one of the most radical albums ever recorded. The Sex Pistols were supposed to be revolutionary, but really, at the end of the day it's fairly stock garage rock done louder and with a snarl.... whoopee. Phaedra is FAR more revolutionary (and visionary, for that matter) What an evolutionary leap from the previous albums and what a major indication of a whole genre.... Unfortunately for Phaedra it also presumes you have an open mind and an ear willing to go beyond convention. Raw electronic energy.......no songs, no lyrics telling a concrete story, here is a music that draws you inside. Think about how amazing it is that this album was in the charts.... Question, can anyone name a band that charted as high with a recording anywhere close as 'outside' of a sound as our TD? Good luck. Poly From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed May 24, 2000 10:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] the next purchase hallo... j.gordon here... > Can anyone advise me on the purchases I need to be making ? also some > news on the 'avoid at all cost' CD's would be equally helpfull. > I have listed the few TD CD's I own at present. > Phaedra > Rubycon > Ricochet > Force Majeure > Strtosphere > Encore > White Eagle > Thief > Risky Business > Dream Sequence i would venture a nice rounding to the list you've give would be: Green Desert Exit Le Parc Underwater Sunlight Livemiles ciao for now j.g __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: 'Michael Kupczyk' Date: Wed May 24, 2000 10:30 am Subject: Unknown TD composition Hi all, I have upploaded into the files directory just a short part of a claimed-to-be Tangerine Dream composition. It sounds like to be taken out of the recent recordings but I have small knowledge of post 1985 productions. Could anyone help me advising the name of the track and from where it was taken. Best regards Michael Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22617 Re: Unknown TD composition Feldon Feldon Wed 5/24/2000 2 KB 22620 Re: Unknown TD composition Jared White Wed 5/24/2000 2 KB 22622 Re: Unknown TD composition Michael Kupczyk Wed 5/24/2000 2 KB 22621 Re: Unknown TD composition Antonio Nunes Wed 5/24/2000 2 KB 22626 Re: Unknown TD composition Jared White Wed 5/24/2000 2 KB 22639 Re: Unknown TD composition Gabe Yedid Thu 5/25/2000 3 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed May 24, 2000 10:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] the next purchase Rick wrote: > > Evenin' All, > > I am about to purchase my next 5 TD CD's, however I do not want to > end up with...how can I put it ?.........funny noises pretending to be > music. > > Can anyone advise me on the purchases I need to be making ? My suggestions: Green Desert Tangram Hyperborea Logos Poland Livemiles Exit Underwater Sunlight oops, you said 5 CD's :-) As for 'avoid at all cost CD's', I'd like to quote a recent message by Todd Tornow: > My recent experience with Phaedra has been interesting. > Years ago, the first several times I heard it, I thought that it was just a > bunch of noise. > Now I can hardly put it down. I had the same experience with Alpha Centauri, Zeit and Atem. Electronic Meditation still sounds to me like a bunch of noise, but eventually it will sound like music some day! Antonio Nunes From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed May 24, 2000 2:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 512 >From: 'Mark Edmonds' > >Cripes, I am a bit out of touch here (year sabbatical from the list). I >didn't realise Sohoman had been tangentised! I'm not wildly impressed with >the album anyway (except Ayres Majestic) but the only doctoring I felt >might >be present after a few casual listens is the way tracks fade up after the >bridge sections. What else has been done to it? *The intro has been stripped. *The great guitar work by Edgar has been completely stripped away. *The last 4 minutes are total fiction. *Logos has a very monotonous string on top now. *Edgar turns the volume down on the original concert to about 70% when he is playing a lot of 90's stuff. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed May 24, 2000 2:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Phaedra >From: 'Yensen, Stephen' > >Your patience has been rewarded! Phaedra is an excellent album. My fav is >'Movements of a Visionary' but I love all of it. Always have; always will. > >Someone talks about a track on 'Antique Dreams': > > >>This is the 1986 edition of Phaedra as played from 1986-present during > >>concerts during the 'vintage set'. > >but why 'Phaedra of Nottingham' ? > >Perhaps it's not the list to mention such things, but a Nottingham 1986 >fantape does exist, and I'm listening to it again right now. >Maybe it's my addled brain, but I can't detect anything remotely resembling >Phaedra. I was there (as well as in 1976 and 1997). If the Nottingham 1986 tape is anything like the Spherical Harmonics tape, fast forward to about the 20 minute mark, after the 3-4 minute piano solo. The droning sequence after that is an interesting remix of Phaedra. Then there is a piece from Livemiles. Then there is a really cool remix of a section from Logos. Again on Spherical Harmonics (or nearly any 1986-1999 concert), it's at the 38 minute mark and is 5 minutes long. For those folks who don't do fantapes, these two remixes of Phaedra and Logos *are on Tangents*. They're actually my favorite bits from Tangents. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22619 Re: Phaedra Gabe Yedid Wed 5/24/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed May 24, 2000 3:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Unknown TD composition >From: 'Michael Kupczyk' > >Hi all, > >I have upploaded into the files directory just a short part of a >claimed-to-be Tangerine Dream composition. It sounds like to be taken >out of the recent recordings but I have small knowledge of post 1985 >productions. Could anyone help me advising the name of the track and >from where it was taken. The track you have uploaded is no earlier than 1998. I forget what track/CD it is though. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Wed May 24, 2000 1:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Talking on radio broadcasts > Craig, no offense, but you are wrong. Morgan, no offense taken, but unfortunately, I must point out that you, kind sir, are the well intentioned but wrong one: > Pure capitalism is why Microsoft has 90% of the operating system's market > even though they produce the buggiest, and most unreliable, unstable, and > obese operating systems and software in the world. Yes...so what is the point? Bill Gates and Microsoft have been the visionaries that drove not only the software industry, but a completely new market segment (high tech) into the mainstream of not only the US, but the world. I dare say that were it not for Microsoft's 'buggiest, and most unreliable, unstable, and obese operating systems and software in the world', we would not have the pleasure of having this wonderful debate. Having no idea what your age or your experience with computers is, DOS was not an OS for the masses (wait a minute, that's a Microsoft product also...) > There is a large number of people who want something else, but they don't > feel they have enough power, so they let the majority take hold. What is really tiresome about this whole Microsoft as 'evil giant' thing is the whole socialistic bent of every argument I see against them. It is as if the 'large number of people who want something else' are more inclined to sit on their ass and gripe about big bad rich guy, rather than invest the time and energy to develop or use new products that would replace the MS legacy. Linux is an alternative, but have you tried it yet? It ain't so easy to use...but hey, since Microsoft sux so bad, I would suspect that you or any of the other folks that would like to punish the achievers, would be running out to replace all their Windows S/W with some inferior, hard to use, un-documented crap software...just so that they can play David. But back to the subject at hand. > > Radio stations are horrible today because of this majority, and > unwillingness/lack of effort to make a change; to let corporations take > hold. No...not necessarily. Radio stations are horrible today to YOU and ME, because unfortunately, the market is split into very discrete segments, and the majority of those segments could give a hoot about TD, or any other 'progressive' or 'electronic' music. But, and this is a big BUT, the masses still agree that radio as it is programmed meets their needs. Hence the whole ratings thing. The market dictates what is broadcast on the airwaves, not some 'fringe' group of people who have very specific and 'niche-y' needs. Think of the word broadcast...what does that mean? Without digging out a Webster's, the term means loosely to throw or project the same thing over a large area. Something for the masses. So, the masses dictate what is and should be broadcast. > What NEEDS TO HAPPEN, is not pure capitalism, but a true reflection of what > the various segments of society want. I think this is where the internet comes in...the internet has no demographic and no singularity as far as a particular mass appeal (except for maybe sex and 'pirated' music). You simply do not have the bandwidth available within the current laws of Physics that God has allowed us to understand, to broadcast everything to everybody. But the internet has the bandwidth...it is a distributed architecture with many points connected to many points (multipoint-to-multipoint) unlike radio which is point-to-multipoint. So, the single most important facet of the internet (IMO, of course) is the fact that the internet can be anything for anyone, it gives everyone a safe harbour to explore any one of anyone's interests, whether it be 'Too Hot for My Chinchilla', or geophysical thermal dynamics. >I'm not sure how radio has gone down > the toilet like it has, I am not sure it was ever out of the toilet as far as taste goes...but from the standpoint of programming, it has the same goal as it had when the first radio towers started transmitting back some 80 years ago. Bring entertainment to the masses. And who was to pay for bringing the entertainment to the masses? The masses! And how were they to pay for it? By buying products that were presented them by the advertisers, who worked for the companies that manufactured the products and could 'afford' to pay the broadcasters for the airtime. So what dictated who could afford the airtime? The cost per minute for the airtime. And what dictated the cost per minute of the airtime? The statistical number of ears that were going to be subjected to the particular ad at a particular time. And what dictates the number of ears listening? The 'desirability' of the programming. So who determines what is desirable? The masses. >because the auto industry isn't this bad. Maybe car > manufacturers have enough money to be creative unlike radio. Or maybe it's > because there is limited space on the radio dial, where you can always come > out with a new car model. There are many many unique cars and not > 'majority', such as the PT Cruiser, Volkswagen Beetle, and of course all the > Italian and British import cars (hope I am not excluding too much here). The > PT Cruiser, for example... Who would have thought that Chrysler would buck > the stiff corporate trend and produce interesting cars? You'd expect the > Viper and PT Cruiser from some kids with serious play money working out of a > garage in California, not frustrated creative types in Detroit inside a huge > car manufacturer. I really do not see the linkage here, but I will approach this in the following manner. If you want to compare autos with music, the standard VW, Chrysler, Ford, GM, Fiat, Toyotas, Hondas, etc., are the Bush's, Christina Aguilar's, Ricky Martin's, N'Sync's, etc., of the automotive world. Their affortability is their appeal, as in music, the affordability is liken to the accessibility. But the Corvettes, the Ferrarri 308GTS's, the Dodge Viper's, the Bentley's, the Acura NSX's, etc. are the elite. They are not accessible to the the masses. These are the analogous TD's, Gentle Giant's, VdGG's, Klaus Schulze's...(list your favorite 'non-mainstream' artist)...the point is, there exists in this world of humans with freewill, an ability (not always excercised) to make decisions for oneself. Decisions that WE make dictate the course that OUR lives will take. If enough people were so intense about their music as us dummies who sit around and read these posts all day, and enough of them were into TD that they could be defined as a market segment, I can assure you, some Capitalist would figure it out and start dishing out more than you or I could swallow. But, then it probably would not taste as good to either of us. > Maybe if cars had to have advertising stickers on the sides, and had to be > paid for by advertising, we would have boring grey dull cars the way we have > boring grey dull radio stations. Thus, we bring you Nascar, Formula 1, Indy car and any number of other form of auto racing which is funded primarily by what? Advertising! Which have hardly boring 'grey' color schemes and which is hardly boring to a race fan. Cheers, and don't worry about your (not you specifically Morgan) socialistic leanings...every socialist has good intentions in the beginning. But, eventually, with a little intelligence and a little hard work, they generally see that socialism is just not all it's cut out to be. And it damn sure ain't for the masses...unless you consider the throngs of people that relish the thought of being told how they should live. But then again, why live at all, if you can't have free will...(ain't that what separates us from the Platypus?) Okay...I am done, and if you stuck with me this long, I commend you on your ability to alleviate your boredom. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22624 Re: Talking on radio broadcasts Sean Montgomery Wed 5/24/2000 5 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed May 24, 2000 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Phaedra On Wed, 24 May 2000, Feldon Feldon wrote: > If the Nottingham 1986 tape is anything like the Spherical Harmonics tape, > fast forward to about the 20 minute mark, after the 3-4 minute piano solo. > The droning sequence after that is an interesting remix of Phaedra. Um, these are two completely different tours. To make the differences clear: one features a TD with Chris Franke, the other does not. nuff said...? Gabe From: 'Jared White' Date: Wed May 24, 2000 4:37 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Unknown TD composition Hi, Michael, > I have upploaded into the files directory just a short part of a > claimed-to-be Tangerine Dream composition. It sounds like to be taken > out of the recent recordings but I have small knowledge of post 1985 > productions. Could anyone help me advising the name of the track and > from where it was taken. Summer Storm, from the Oasis Soundtrack (1996). I had no trouble identifying it -- I'd recognize that sequence anywhere! Love it, love it! Take care, Jared Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22622 Re: Unknown TD composition Michael Kupczyk Wed 5/24/2000 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed May 24, 2000 5:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Unknown TD composition Jared White wrote: > > Summer Storm, from the Oasis Soundtrack (1996). Isn't it from 1997? At least my copy of TDI007CD says (C) 1997 and the Miramar CD says MCMXCVII. Antonio Nunes np: Oasis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22626 Re: Unknown TD composition Jared White Wed 5/24/2000 2 KB 22639 Re: Unknown TD composition Gabe Yedid Thu 5/25/2000 3 KB From: 'Michael Kupczyk' Date: Wed May 24, 2000 5:29 pm Subject: Re: Unknown TD composition Hi Jared and all dreamers Bingo - much appreciated. Thanks and regards to all Michael --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Jared White' wrote: > Summer Storm, from the Oasis Soundtrack (1996). I had no trouble > identifying it -- I'd recognize that sequence anywhere! Love it, love > it! > > Take care, > > Jared From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Wed May 24, 2000 1:25 pm Subject: RIP 'Emusic' Hey, My EM netzine 'Emusic' has changed name to 'ElectronicShadows'. Not much TD related this time but something about Chris Franke at least..... www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows Glenn From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed May 24, 2000 7:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Talking on radio broadcasts I should probably resist the urge to reply here, since this has pretty much nothing to do with TD..but I can't help myself. > On Wed, 24 May 2000, Craig Chambers wrote: > What is really tiresome about this whole Microsoft as 'evil giant' thing is > the whole socialistic bent of every argument I see against them. And what's wrong with that? The 50 years of anti-socialist propaganda that people in the western world (especially Americans) have had shoved down their throats has been about one thing: protecting corporate power. But it's been remarkably successful at shutting out any meaningful debate on whether there are some aspects to socialism that could actually benefit people. Now, I have nothing against capitalism per se...I benefit from it. I like having a comfortable standard of living. But I distrust any orthodoxy when taken to the extreme. And that's what we have now. We're returning to the way things were a hundred years ago, with a handful of monopolies holding all the cards. It doesn't have to be this way. When corporations were initially allowed to come into being, they were expected to serve the public good, and they could have their charters revoked if they didn't. But now corporations have been granted the same legal status as people. And they have no obligation to anyone except their shareholders. They control our politcal system by financing the campaigns of the candidates and through lobbying. They control what we see in the media, not through overt censorship, but by hiring compliant journalists; and through threatening legal action. I find this to be a regrettable state of affairs. > The market dictates what is broadcast on the airwaves, not some 'fringe' > group of people who have very specific and 'niche-y' needs. That's only partly true. There are many people who'd love to hear other kinds of music on the radio. But it's the free-spending 16 year old that the advertiser wants to reach, so that's the person who's musical tastes get catered to. Digital radio and the internet will indeed change this situation. We're entering the age of narrowcasting, where advertisers will be able to tailor their message for each and every person tuning in. > If enough people were so intense about their music as us dummies who sit > around and read these posts all day, and enough of them were into TD > that they could be defined as a market segment, I can assure you, some > Capitalist would figure it out and start dishing out more than you or I > could swallow. This is true enough. But it raises another chicken and egg type question. Do artists like NSYNC and the like get played on the radio because they're a big success, or are they a big success because they get played on the radio? TD probably wouldn't have made it as far as they had if John Peel hadn't broken them on his show back in 1973. But he did, and Phaedra went Top 10 as a result. People have to hear the music first before they can make a decision about whether they like it. And with just a handful of companies controlling most of our media, most people don't get a chance to hear anything except whatever stars these companies are currently pushing. > Cheers, and don't worry about your (not you specifically Morgan) socialistic > leanings...every socialist has good intentions in the beginning. But, > eventually, with a little intelligence and a little hard work, they > generally see that socialism is just not all it's cut out to be. I find that last statement to be a bit condescending, not to mention misinformed. This does not have to be an either/or equation. Pure socialism is just as unworkable as pure capitalism. What's required is balance, and the will to maintain that balance. That's been the central problem of human society ever since we abandoned the tribal hunter-gatherer lifestyle. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Jared White' Date: Wed May 24, 2000 10:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI site update > -----Original Message----- > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > > << Yeah, YOU sure must avoid it if you cannot accept that TD > should have the > right of adding anything to their earlier musical ideas. > Sorry, I had to say > it again. Some of you are talking about 'tangentization' as > if it were a > criminal offence. >> > > *In some cases it is. Edgars Beyond the Storm anthology adds > upright bass and sax samples to the Mellotron masterpiece > 'Epsilon' . That's just clueless. Wow. (OK, *somebody* around here is clueless, but why do I have the feeling it isn't Edgar....) > Worst case of Tnagentizing I'm aware of. By your divine judgment, of course. > What exactly is so horrible about releasing something the way it is ? > There are plenty of people who prefer it that way. > I, for one prefer to listen to an untouched 'boot' with a mediocre > recording, than something that's scribbled over.... > If it's a matter of 'rights' sure, they have the right to add > whatever > they like, just as people have the 'right' to say they don't like it. Sure, people have the right to say they don't like it. But that's a far cry from having the right to call someone's artistic judgments a 'criminal offense', which is exactly what certain people have been doing around here. Gee, I've been accused of hypocrisy on the past, but if this ain't a case of hypocrisy running rampant, then I'm a warthog. Jared P. S. Beyond the Storm: classic. 'Nuff said. From: 'Jared White' Date: Wed May 24, 2000 10:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Unknown TD composition Hi, Antonio, > Jared White wrote: > > > > Summer Storm, from the Oasis Soundtrack (1996). > > Isn't it from 1997? At least my copy of TDI007CD says (C) 1997 and the > Miramar CD says MCMXCVII. OK, well, theoretically it's from 1997 because that's when it was released. But the music was written in 1996 (around May, I believe). Plus, I think of it more as a '1996' album than a '1997' album stylistically, but that's just me. :) Take care, Jared Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22639 Re: Unknown TD composition Gabe Yedid Thu 5/25/2000 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu May 25, 2000 2:23 am Subject: The case of Tangentization Hello all Well, I have for a LONG time seen all these discussions regarding 'tangentization'. There can be said much for and against 'tangentization', but in the end, it's TD that control what is going to be 'tangentized or not. It is their god giving rights as musicians. There is nothing wrong in taking out old material from the archives and change it a bit. It is understandable that Edgar Froese looks at his own music with different eyes than he did 20 years ago. IMO the material released that has been 'tangentized' is very good. I think he has done a great job. There has been discussions about SN, I haven't heard the old recording, would like to, but I think the new recording is great. All you out there who knows the old fantape and listen to it, keep doing it, you have it right there, why go on ranting about a CD that you don't like and won't listen to. When this has been said, I also would like to say that I think it is wrong when TDI states on this list, that there were not to be made any changes to the old tape, and then releases it with changes, and they try to sell the stuff as old recording when in fact it is a 'remix' of old material. If I do not want to hear a 'tangentized' version of a track, I don't put Tangents in my CD-player, I listen to the old recordings. How hard can that be. Yeah well, end of my little outburst =) Jan pergamon@g... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22629 Re: The case of Tangentization Jared White Thu 5/25/2000 4 KB 22631 Re: OT: Bladerunner TDI - Martin K. Thu 5/25/2000 2 KB 22638 Re: The case of Tangentization Gabe Yedid Thu 5/25/2000 2 KB 22642 Re: The case of Tangentization Erik Sanborn Thu 5/25/2000 4 KB 22647 Re: The case of Tangentization Sean Montgomery Thu 5/25/2000 2 KB 22648 stop this nonsense, take a break if you have to! Joe Shoults Thu 5/25/2000 3 KB 22649 Re: stop this nonsense, take a break if you have Sean Montgomery Thu 5/25/2000 4 KB 22645 Re: The case of Tangentization Feldon Feldon Thu 5/25/2000 3 KB 22646 Re: The case of Tangentization Feldon Feldon Thu 5/25/2000 2 KB From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Thu May 25, 2000 2:52 am Subject: Re: The term 'tangentization'... >> >>Now that the Soundmill Navigator release has made the 'tangentization' >>wars erupt again, I humbly suggest this: >> >>Considering that: >> >>- it's generally agreed that most tangentization on Tangents was done >> tastefully and, save a few cases, respecting the original tunes. > >THIS IS NOT GENERALLY AGREED, otherwise there would be few complaints and >the list would not use the term 'tangentization' for the last 3 years if we >thought it was a good thing! Ok, so you're a tangentization-hater. >[...] >No different than what is done on Tangents in many places. Except Sohoman >and Soundmill Navigator were extreme. The last 4 minutes of Sohoman are >[...] There's still the distinction that you yourself say: tangentization vs. extreme tangentization. -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@w... #include // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer From: 'Jared White' Date: Thu May 25, 2000 3:13 am Subject: RE: [tadream] The case of Tangentization Hi, all, > Well, I have for a LONG time seen all these discussions > regarding 'tangentization'. There can be said much for and > against 'tangentization', but in the end, it's TD that > control what is going to be 'tangentized or not. It is their > god giving rights as musicians. There is nothing wrong in > taking out old material from the archives and change it a > bit. It is understandable that Edgar Froese looks at his own > music with different eyes than he did 20 years ago. IMO the > material released that has been 'tangentized' is very good. I > think he has done a great job. Overall, I think he's done a great job as well. Granted, some of it's good and some of it's not so good, but I could say the same about a number of official TD releases from ALL periods. :) > When this has been said, I also would like to say that I > think it is wrong when TDI states on this list, that there > were not to be made any changes to the old tape, and then > releases it with changes, and they try to sell the stuff as > old recording when in fact it is a 'remix' of old material. I agree -- I am 100% against remixing old material and not labeling it as such. I'm also appalled that TDI never apologized for telling us fans here on the list that Soundmill Navigator would be un-tangentized when, in fact, it clearly was. I'm even thinking of starting a protest Web site to try to get TDI to own up to their mistakes. Anyone else interested in the idea? > If I do not want to hear a 'tangentized' version of a track, > I don't put Tangents in my CD-player, I listen to the old > recordings. How hard can that be. I'll agree with that. However, it really *would* be nice to be able to get some high-quality, but un-remixed releases of vintage material. How hard can that be. :) I'm probably flipping some people out here who think of me as being totally pro-tangentization, so let me say here officially that while I don't mind the *music* of the tangentized releases in question, I'm totally against the business practices surrounding them. If Edgar & TDI would just come clean and explain what they're doing and why, label their releases properly, and then not lie about upcoming releases, I'm sure there'd be a lot less dung thrown around here. Again, anyone interested in starting a protest Web site should contact me privately, as I don't want to bog the list down with anti-TDI flames and possibly get our benevolent and long-suffering listmeister Joe Shoults into trouble. :) Take care, Jared Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22631 Re: OT: Bladerunner TDI - Martin K. Thu 5/25/2000 2 KB 22638 Re: The case of Tangentization Gabe Yedid Thu 5/25/2000 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu May 25, 2000 8:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Talking on radio broadcasts hallo, j.gordon here... wanted to comment... as i'm sure we are all aware, 'pure capatilism' is theoretical... we don't have it... won't have it... a soci-economically stable country would collapse very quickly under it... and probably the thing with mircosoft is like this... yes, they do have the buggiest OS on the market, yes, linux is a competetor, tho' not nearly as easy to use as say mac, or even windows... but what makes microsoft a monster is it's guerilla tactics... one of the reasons microsoft controls such an exaggerated part of the market is through it's very real subversion, suppression and outright buy-up of most of the competition... they were not happy with being the biggest... they had to make sure that there would never be a challenger... and unfortuantly, or fortunately, linux is not a serious challenger... only among us computer people... it's just not easy enough... how does this relate to TD... i'm sure stephen hawking could tell me... maybe it's that TD has never tried to supvert other players... from recent postings, one my be tempted to think that some people believe, if anything, they are subverting themselves... me, i tend to agree with the viewpoint of less is more... i too would rather see one album every two years and have it be the best they can produce... it's like film... 200, 300, sometimes even 400 hours of film gets reduced to 2 hours... and that's hopefully the best 2 hours in the whole lot... blade runner is a GREAT film... in it's producer released version (what was in theaters)... the director's cut, which adds about 30 minutes, is a very tedious film... as a musician myself, i find that spending 30 hours on one song tends to produce an overall better piece, (usually) than 5 hours each on six songs... that's a more hit and miss approach... ummm... has anyone seen the thread around here... j.gordon... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From: 'TDI - Martin K.' Date: Thu May 25, 2000 9:40 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Bladerunner Hi all, to the subject of 'Bladerunner' - the director´s cut is actually approx. 1 min. shorter, not 30 min. longer. It misses the cheesy ending and just a 30 second 'unicorn dream'- scene was added. What does make it slightly harder to watch is that all the voice- overs were removed, giving the whole movie a more 'spacey' feel. Well, just my OT 2p. Best regards, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu May 25, 2000 9:52 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Bladerunner j.gordon here... oooooooooo... i hate it when that happens... standing corrected... the directors cut i saw in berkeley 8 years ago, played one night only (in the days before dvd), at midnight, was billed as having 30 min. added... we watched the production cut the next morning tho' and recognized that even with the voice overs gone, there were extensions added to many shots (even if only a couple of seconds) that made it more difficult to watch... thanks for the info, martin... j.gordon... --- 'TDI - Martin K.' wrote: > > Hi all, > > to the subject of 'Bladerunner' - the director´s cut is actually approx. 1 > min. shorter, not 30 min. longer. It misses the cheesy ending and just a 30 > second 'unicorn dream'- scene was added. What does make it slightly harder > to watch is that all the voice- overs were removed, giving the whole movie > a more 'spacey' feel. Well, just my OT 2p. > > > > > > Best regards, > > Martin K. > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tdi-music-mall.de > > Have a nice day! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22657 Re: OT: Bladerunner Simon Slator Fri 5/26/2000 2 KB 22671 Re: OT: Bladerunner rbrown4856@a... Sat 5/27/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu May 25, 2000 1:07 pm Subject: TD guestbook entry about Soundmill Navigator Hi Gang, this is the most recent entry in the TD guestbook page... This guy surely has a sense of humour! (or was it meant to be taken seriously?) From Steve Dinsdale at Thu, 25/May/00 14:15: Congratulations on the artistic triumph of `Soundmill Navigator'. I have waited years to hear Edgar playing his lovely new digital keyboard while a bootleg of a radio broadcast from 1976 plays in the background. Great idea to play it in a different key too. It certainly knocks those dismal 70's albums (with those other two blokes that used to hang around with you) into second place ! I'm sure that you must have dug deep into the famous bank vault in London (of EVERY gig TD ever did) to find something of such rare quality. It's very odd though, that deterioration of the 8-Track tape caused a multichannel recording to turn into a well circulated cassette of a concert that was broadcast live on German radio. Still...that year's worth of painstaking mastering has obviously paid off.The constant clicking really adds to the whole thing. Dream on ! You guys are great, the Dream lasts forever !! Looking forward to Antique Dreams..please remember to play nice and loudly over the quiet bits of `Overture' Edgar. Yours with deep respect . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22634 Re: TD guestbook entry about Soundmill Navigator Patrik . Thu 5/25/2000 2 KB 22635 Re: TD guestbook entry about Soundmill Navigator Grant M Somerville Thu 5/25/2000 2 KB 22641 Re: TD guestbook entry about Soundmill Navigator Sean Montgomery Thu 5/25/2000 2 KB From: 'Patrik .' Date: Thu May 25, 2000 6:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD guestbook entry about Soundmill Navigator Well, it sure made me laugh! Patrik, Stockholm, Schweden ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Grant M Somerville Date: Thu May 25, 2000 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD guestbook entry about Soundmill Navigator 'Patrik .' wrote: > Well, it sure made me laugh! > > Patrik, Stockholm, Schweden > > ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu May 25, 2000 2:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Phaedra > -----Original Message----- ... > Perhaps it's not the list to mention such things, but a Nottingham 1986 > fantape does exist, and I'm listening to it again right now. No, it's fine to mention such things. Talking about shows/recordings is fine. We just ask that if you want to solicit or trade you don't do it on-list. TDI are no fools; they know fan tapes exist, and they don't mind *as much*, as long as it is not for money. I just went and updated the list's Welcome Message to include more explicit info about this. From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Thu May 25, 2000 2:48 pm Subject: Recommended Buys/Dont Buys In response to Jordan's request, here's what I'd suggest you be sure to get: Tangram (possibly the PERFECT electronic album) Logos (the intro is boring, but it's got some awesome sections) Poland (double album of music, great stuff, doesn't sound live, sounds too good) Underwater Sunlight (Haslinger's debut. Nice guitar work on this album, and new sound. Very breathy patches for its time. First four tracks are all classics) Melrose (very polished and very structured. Nice, melodic recording). 220 Volts (Fantastic energy with some classic sequencing, contrasted by some aggressive rock guitar solos. Fair amount of sax on softer songs. I loved this tour and this album). Dream Mixes 1 (whether you like the techno sound or not, this is a fun album with some really great sounds). He already has: > Phaedra > Rubycon > Ricochet > Force Majeure > Strtosphere > Encore > White Eagle > Thief > Risky Business > Dream Sequence I would stay away from the following (read my opinion) until you have most of the other stuff: Anything before Phaedra (noise, some like em but they're work to listen to) Soundtracks (some are decent, but none compare to studio albums) Optical Race (most fans find it to poppy, for me it's too redundant) Rockoon (I love some of this album, but some of it's elevator music) Tyger (controversial album, like Cyclone, the addition of lyrics turned many off. It has some good songs, but it's not one of their strongest) Hollywood Years, Transiberia, Sohoman, Ambient Monkeys, Dream Encores, Zoning (all rather snoozy and uninspired) As with all TD, it's very subjective. For me, this is the best advice I can offer. I'm sure I've committed heresy to some on the list. That's the fun of having an opinion. Enjoy! From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu May 25, 2000 3:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The case of Tangentization On Wed, 24 May 2000, Jared White wrote: > I agree -- I am 100% against remixing old material and not labeling it > as such. I'm also appalled that TDI never apologized for telling us fans > here on the list that Soundmill Navigator would be un-tangentized when, > in fact, it clearly was. I'm even thinking of starting a protest Web > site to try to get TDI to own up to their mistakes. Anyone else > interested in the idea? You've got my solid vote here. You might also want to add something about bogus PR stories concerning why the product wasn't of the quality it could (and should) have been. Gabe From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu May 25, 2000 3:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Unknown TD composition On Wed, 24 May 2000, Jared White wrote: > OK, well, theoretically it's from 1997 because that's when it was > released. But the music was written in 1996 (around May, I believe). > Plus, I think of it more as a '1996' album than a '1997' album > stylistically, but that's just me. :) Some of the music dates even earlier than that. 'Waterborne' (well, the first half of it) originally made its debut as the opening piece for the 1992 shows, and I'd dare say that 'Flashflood' and 'Zion' date from that time as well. I would say that _Oasis_ gives the best clues as to TD's evolution during this time, since one can clearly hear the transition from the Rockoon/Quinoa/220 Volt style through the ToTT/ToB/BtS styles, finally ending up at the beginnings of Dream Mixes in 'Summer Storm'. And the above statements should reveal what I think of assertions like 'TD have been musically static during the 1990s'. cheers, Gabe From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu May 25, 2000 4:26 pm Subject: D:[Soundtrack] The man inside/L'affaire Wallraff Too bad that this one was only released in France and that it's almost impossible to get these days. A couple of months ago a copy was up for grabs at eBAY but at $50+ I just had to quit...I have a cdr version, tho ;-) I think this is one of the best Froese/Haslinger soundtracks. Like 'Destination Berlin' you will find no sound snippets, but longer tracks which I find a pleasure to listen to. Not just your ordinary soundtrack album but a real collection of songs (mostly within the 3 or 4 minute range). And I like Haslinger's drum arrangements on 'The man inside' which sometimes are very tricky. Most of the tracks do have an infectous melody (especially 'Wallraff's theme') and nice arrangements, and if you like 'Destination Berlin' then 'The man inside' will not disappoint you. But again, it's too bad that it's such a rare album. I really hope that at some point in time TDI will release it on their own label. Heiko n.p.: Turn of the tides (cassette version) From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu May 25, 2000 4:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD guestbook entry about Soundmill Navigator Ha ha! That's hilarious! A pity that it won't be up for very long. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Erik Sanborn' Date: Thu May 25, 2000 4:41 pm Subject: RE: The case of Tangentization > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:13:14 -0700 > From: 'Jared White' (Jared lathers himself up a bit) >I agree -- I am 100% against remixing old material and not labeling it >as such. I'm also appalled that TDI never apologized for telling us fans >here on the list that Soundmill Navigator would be un-tangentized when, >in fact, it clearly was. I'm even thinking of starting a protest Web >site to try to get TDI to own up to their mistakes. Anyone else >interested in the idea? Hmmm... An old saying comes to mind. Something along the lines of 'Don't pull the splinter out of your neighbor's eye when you've got a 2X4 stuck through your head.' As much as I am bothered by the fact that TDI does not accurately label their 'tangentized' recordings to say 're-mixed' or 're-recorded' or 'enhanced', as was done on Edgar's best-of 'Solo' album, there is no requirement on their part to do so. It would be *nice* if they did, but they don't and no amount of haranging from us dedicated fans will change that. Likewise, it would be nice if TDI explained or apologized for the comments regarding Soundmill Navigator on this list but don't expect it. This is not something of a high enough priority to TDI as they go about their day-to-day business. Complain to TDI, start a protest web site, or beg on your knees if you feel strongly enough but don't expect TDI's compliance to your wishes. They don't owe you anything. It's their game and they call the shots. If you don't like it, you don't have to play their game. Just don't buy TDI products and then get on with enjoying your life. Geez, we've come a LONG way from the halcyon days of the old UWP mailing list. Regards, Erik np: Brian Eno - Apollo: Atmospheres and Soundtracks Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22647 Re: The case of Tangentization Sean Montgomery Thu 5/25/2000 2 KB 22648 stop this nonsense, take a break if you have to! Joe Shoults Thu 5/25/2000 3 KB 22649 Re: stop this nonsense, take a break if you have Sean Montgomery Thu 5/25/2000 4 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu May 25, 2000 5:01 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The term 'tangentization'... > -----Original Message----- ... > bitch all day about what Edgar *should* do, I am saying, Edgar > can do what > he wants, but he shouldn't try to make fans happy because he is doing a > lousy job of trying. I wonder about that. I wonder what TDI's biggest target market is. What demographic buys the most TD (new releases, I mean)? Are these the types of people who would know something was tangentized or not? Or care? Where do us 'hardcore fans' fit in? Do any of us hardcore fans expect the band to feel obligated to them in any way? Does TD 'owe' you something? BTW, was Quinoa originally a limited release for fan club members only, or just a special edition? The way I feel about tangentization is that sometimes it's good, sometimes it seems a shame (i.e. to tangentize over something you thought was perfect to begin with), but it is always art whether or not I happen to like or dislike it. To presume to tell the artist how to produce their art seems to me to diminish it as art in the first place (did that make sense?). Besides, like someone else said: you already have the best way of finding out everything about an album before you buy it -right here on the list. You'll certainly find no shortage of opinions here. ;-) Joe From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Thu May 25, 2000 5:32 pm Subject: More on 'Soundmillgate' from TDI >From M Sandford at Wed, 24/May/00 18:37: >I picked up a copy of Soundmill Navigator - what a great >performance! One question - I notice a faint ticking alternating >between the left and right channels throughout the entire recording. >Is this intentional? > Hi, >Unfortunately yes....the original 8 track tapes from 1976 >were in a bad condition. During the mastering process TD >already thought about a cancelation of this project. >The main problem was that a total removal of this noise would >have had an even greater degradation to the sound quality especially >to the dynamics. Finally, TD decided to keep the tape noise on the >recording .... we thought it's better to have more kind of a >vintage, than a zero dynamic listening experience. - TDI Office ...but some folks on this list have apparently succeded where TD failed. We can argue till the cows come home about the philosophical and aesthetic merits of tangentization, but basic technical boners are a different thing altogether. I was shocked by 'Ayers Majestic' on _Sohoman_ not because of the added parts, but because those parts are fairly obviously out of tune with the underlying material. I don't think it's too much to expect practising professional musicians to be able to tune instruments correctly. The comment on the guestbook about 'great idea to play in a different key too' suggests that something equally horrendeous has happened with _SN_. I haven't heard it yet and wasn't intending to buy it, but a sort of morbid 'how low can they go?' curiosity is forcing me on... Glynn From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu May 25, 2000 5:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: The case of Tangentization >From: 'Erik Sanborn' > > > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:13:14 -0700 > > From: 'Jared White' > >(Jared lathers himself up a bit) > > >I agree -- I am 100% against remixing old material and not labeling it > >as such. >Hmmm... An old saying comes to mind. Something along the lines of 'Don't >pull the splinter out of your neighbor's eye when you've got a 2X4 stuck >through your head.' That saying implies hypocracy, and is not the first time someone on this list someone has made such a comment about Tangentization. I don't know of too many artists who pull out music from the vaults and get everyone excited, only to remix them and play modern stuff on top and don't tell anyone or worse, mis-represent this to the fans. Certainly, no-one on this list is guilty of it! So DO NOT accuse list members of hypocracy unless you know of a specific case where an artist on this list has taken old music and remixed it and then sold it without labeling as such. I think you will be hard-pressed to find a guilty party on this list. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu May 25, 2000 5:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: The case of Tangentization >From: 'Erik Sanborn' With people like you working for NORTEL Networks, I'll make sure I don't buy anything from your company. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu May 25, 2000 5:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: The case of Tangentization > If you don't like it, you don't have to play their game. Just don't buy > TDI products and then get on with enjoying your life. EXACTLY! That's what I've done, and I encourage everyone else here who has a beef with TDI practices to do the same. If you continue to support the tangentized product, you're guaranteed to get more of the same in the future. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22648 stop this nonsense, take a break if you have to! Joe Shoults Thu 5/25/2000 3 KB 22649 Re: stop this nonsense, take a break if you have Sean Montgomery Thu 5/25/2000 4 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu May 25, 2000 6:37 pm Subject: stop this nonsense, take a break if you have to! (was re: The case of Tangentization) ok, were you guys just wondering how far this would go before I stepped in and said something about all this? how far did you think I'd let it go? just listen to yourselves: - encouraging people to not buy TDI - personal attacks saying you won't buy from the company somebody works for (sheesh!) - calling each other 'clueless' come on, now. I think maybe this is one of those times when you don't realize you have been sucked into the negativity, and need to step back and perspectivize. the tenor of the list lately has not been to objectively discuss merits/drawbacks of tangentization or other subjects, but to slam Edgar and TDI at almost every opportunity. that is not the purpose of this list. I'm not saying you have to kiss ass, but I don't think it should be that hard to make the distinction, both in your attitude towards TD, and your attitude toward other peoples' opinions. Again, I encourage mature, objective discussion, but don't let it get personal- and I'm talking about more than just those few examples above. And if you no longer feel you are a fan of TD, why are you here? If you can't discuss something like an adult, or if your goal is just to discourage people from buying TD, then kindly leave. Litmus test: if this message offends you, then you are one of the offenders. Anyone can always contact me off list to discuss anything, including my complaints about the above topics. We encourage your feedback. Either contact me privately, or contact the whole moderators team at mailto:tadream-owner@e... thanks, joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22649 Re: stop this nonsense, take a break if you have Sean Montgomery Thu 5/25/2000 4 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu May 25, 2000 7:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] stop this nonsense, take a break if you have to! (was re: The case of Tangentization) > - encouraging people to not buy TDI I assume you're referring to my previous posting. I'm not encouraging *everyone* to stop supporting them, just the people who don't like how the music is being released now....and clearly there are quite a few of us. Personally, I was really hopeful when the band started their own label, because it suggested that we would finally be able to hear material that had been held back for legal or contractural reasons. I was hopeful that the band would be able to listen to fan requests, and deal with them in an open and responsive manner. And the one thing that most fans want most would not take much work: the original music, released as originally recorded. (Why do you think Electronic Orgy was greeted with so much enthusiam by fans?) But no, that's not what we're getting. And the fact that the band continues to do so in spite of fan outcry demands a response from me. I won't be buying it, pure and simple. When I read about fans admitting that they buy the new releases just to have a complete collection, it makes me slap my forehead. If you want the original music, demand it. If people like myself who don't like the practice of doctoring vintage material to remake it in 'Milleniumn Years' TD Image don't speak out, then nothing will change. > And if you no longer feel you are a fan of TD, why are you here? TD has been around a long time, and one does not have to like everything they've done (and continue to do) in their musical career to call oneself a fan. Once in a while, they still do something I enjoy (certain tracks on AiM and Mars Polaris, for instance). At this point though, the main reason I stay on the list is to hear opinions about new TD releases. Because their website continues to provide only minimal information about them, and essentially expects people to buy them just because it has the name 'Tangerine Dream' on the booklet, I rely on word of mouth to warn me if a new release is new TD genius or more of the same; if a concert recording is the real deal or if it's a mismatched mess of 70s and 90s sounds. I agree that personal attacks are uncalled for here. But if all we do is praise the band, we'll be just like the TD webpage guestbook. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu May 25, 2000 9:06 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] stop this nonsense, take a break if you have to! (was re: The case of Tangentization) To those who know who they are but refuse to admit it, It's funny, I was thinking in the car on the way to work this morning of an imaginitive anecdote to put an end to the 30 or so pointless whinging messages that I get in my mailbox every day, but I think 'take a break' about sums it up, and I totally agree with Joe's comments. USE THIS LIST TO DISCUSS, USE EACH OTHER'S PERSONAL ADDRESSES TO COMPLAIN, because, lets face it, almost every bitchy comment is pointed at either a particular person on the list, or about someone who is never likely to reply or frankly lose the slightest sleep over any of these so called discussion topics, i.e. EF himself. So basically if you like the band and have something worthwhile (perhaps even informative) to say, stay on the list, or if you don't like what the band is doing at the moment, put it in a letter and send it to the TDI office and leave this list in peace! Paul > >ok, were you guys just wondering how far this would go before I stepped in >and said something about all this? how far did you think I'd let it go? > >just listen to yourselves: >- encouraging people to not buy TDI >- personal attacks saying you won't buy from the company somebody works for >(sheesh!) >- calling each other 'clueless' > >come on, now. I think maybe this is one of those times when you don't >realize you have been sucked into the negativity, and need to step back and >perspectivize. > >the tenor of the list lately has not been to objectively discuss >merits/drawbacks of tangentization or other subjects, but to slam Edgar and >TDI at almost every opportunity. that is not the purpose of this list. I'm >not saying you have to kiss ass, but I don't think it should be that hard to >make the distinction, both in your attitude towards TD, and your attitude >toward other peoples' opinions. > >Again, I encourage mature, objective discussion, but don't let it get >personal- and I'm talking about more than just those few examples above. >And if you no longer feel you are a fan of TD, why are you here? If you >can't discuss something like an adult, or if your goal is just to discourage >people from buying TD, then kindly leave. > >Litmus test: if this message offends you, then you are one of the offenders. > >Anyone can always contact me off list to discuss anything, including my >complaints about the above topics. We encourage your feedback. Either >contact me privately, or contact the whole moderators team at >mailto:tadream-owner@e... > >thanks, >joe From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Thu May 25, 2000 9:45 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] stop this nonsense, take a break if you have to! (was re: The case of Tangentization) To Paul, I totally agree with you on this one, - thanks :-) Poul > To those who know who they are but refuse to admit it, > > It's funny, I was thinking in the car on the way to work this morning of an > imaginitive anecdote to put an end to the 30 or so pointless whinging > messages that I get in my mailbox every day, but I think 'take a break' > about sums it up, and I totally agree with Joe's comments. > > USE THIS LIST TO DISCUSS, USE EACH OTHER'S PERSONAL ADDRESSES TO COMPLAIN, > because, lets face it, almost every bitchy comment is pointed at either a > particular person on the list, or about someone who is never likely to reply > or frankly lose the slightest sleep over any of these so called discussion > topics, i.e. EF himself. > > So basically if you like the band and have something worthwhile (perhaps > even informative) to say, stay on the list, or if you don't like what the > band is doing at the moment, put it in a letter and send it to the TDI > office and leave this list in peace! > > Paul From: TomX01@a... Date: Thu May 25, 2000 10:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: The case of Tangentization I find it strange that the 'hardcore fans' are so upset by 'tangentisation'. If you already have a fan tape, surely you're getting something different for your money rather than just the fan tape on a CD. If I were an artist, (I'm a hack musician now, but one day I aspire to be an artist), I would 'tangentise' old material for re-release, i would never feel confident with the production of music when I was 16 years old. That said, TDI often take their hardcore audience for granted, there are not many bands that could boast a fanbase that will buy official releases of old material simply out of principle, even if they prefer the fan recordings. Surely the people who complained about Soundmill Navigator and Sohoman are in the minority, maybe a deluxe massive box set would keep them happy, wheras the current releases would keep the majority who don't know any better happy. Tom (Melrose) From: aoutland@a... Date: Fri May 26, 2000 1:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: God/TD essay In a message dated 05/23/2000 1:31:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, glynnn@o... writes: << Lester Bangs' 'The Day I Saw God and/or Tangerine Dream' essay is always construed as worshipful (c.f. the _Tangents_ booklet) when in fact it's a heavily ironic *anti* TD piece. It always amazed me that people couldn't see that. Glynn >> Anybody have any idea where I can find that essay on line to read it for myself? Or can someone cut and paste it into an email to aoutland@a... No downloads, please. My computer just won't handle it. Thanks. 8-) Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22664 Re: God/TD essay Szatmari, Pal Fri 5/26/2000 2 KB 22676 Re: God/TD essay tom george Sat 5/27/2000 3 KB From: aoutland@a... Date: Fri May 26, 2000 1:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] the next purchase In a message dated 05/23/2000 11:53:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rjbrown@n... writes: << Can anyone advise me on the purchases I need to be making ? >> Well, right away I can see a glaring hole in your collection. You definitely need Live Miles. 8-) Also I recommend Tangram, Firestarter, Mars Polaris, and Poland. That should be a fairly rounded out selection of many TD styles. 8-) Dell From: Jared White Date: Fri May 26, 2000 6:00 am Subject: I'll be away.... Hello, fellow Dreamers, Just wanted to let y'all know I'll be out of town until next Monday, so if I seem to have disappeared in the midst of many discussions, you'll know why! Thanks, Jared From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri May 26, 2000 7:43 am Subject: Re: stop this nonsense, take a break if you have to! (was re: The case of >Personally, I was really hopeful when the band started their own label, >because it suggested that we would finally be able to hear material that >had been held back for legal or contractural reasons. I was hopeful that >the band would be able to listen to fan requests, and deal with them in an >open and responsive manner. Sean, while I almost completely agree with what you say, you made two (very common) mistakes, though: 1) contracts don't change just because TD forms their own label 2) we people on this list are not TDs entire fan base, nor are we a representative sample. cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22658 Hi, Klaus Sean Montgomery Fri 5/26/2000 4 KB From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Fri May 26, 2000 8:04 am Subject: RE: OT: Bladerunner While on the subject of Bladerunner - has anybody heard Vangelis' soundtrack album? I rate it as one of the best soundtrack albums of all time - along with 1492, Chariots of Fire and (of course) Thief. ============== Simon Slator Website: http://pages.zoom.co.uk/simon.slator Download my own music at: http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri May 26, 2000 8:33 am Subject: Hi, Klaus > Sean, > while I almost completely agree with what you say, you made two > (very common) mistakes, though: > 1) contracts don't change just because TD forms their own label True...true. And given the number of labels that the band has dealt with over the years, negotiating the usage of songs for a compilation must be a nightmare. I'm curious how the previously-released tracks on Sohoman and Dream Encores were allowed out by Virgin...and I wonder if part of the reason for the new overdubs is to make the tracks sufficiently different from the originals to escape legal hassles. Of course, I could be completely wrong! I'm also curious about where unreleased concert material fits into the equation...I assume that they'd be free to release *that*. > 2) we people on this list are not TDs entire fan base, nor are we > a representative sample. Yeah, I'll grant you that too. But TDI gets rather spotty distribution in 'brick and mortar' stores; the only sure way to get their new releases is through Internet retailers. This suggests that the band believes that the internet is where most of their fans are now (which is probably true). Of course, there are more people out there buying TD albums online than there are people on the mailing list, but the content of several TDI guestbook messages has suggested to me that the criticisms voiced here are shared by other fans too. And just how large is their fanbase, I wonder? Large enough to fill concert halls when they tour Europe, obviously...but how many new fans are finding out about the band? They aren't doing soundtrack work these days (which is how I found out about them in the early 80s), they get virtually no press (here in North America, anyway), and never get played on the radio. It seems to me that their fan base must be pretty static. At any rate, I think TDI is relying on the devotion of those fans; expecting that they will continue to dutifully pick up each new album regardless of content. Heck, I did just that for about 10 years. But the Hollywood Years collections were a wake-up call for me. After that expensive disappointment, I decided that in the future I would wait until I had read some reviews of new TDI releases before buying them. Just call me Mr. Negativity! :-) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri May 26, 2000 8:41 am Subject: Orgier Sean Montgomery wrote: >Why do you think Electronic Orgy was greeted with so much >enthusiam by fans? I am curious about this compilation (it is a collection I presume). When was it released? By whom? And what does it contain? Is it at all possible to find these days? Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22660 Re: Orgier Heiko Heerssen Fri 5/26/2000 2 KB 22668 Re: Orgier Robert Grabowsky Fri 5/26/2000 3 KB 22663 Re: Orgier Andrew Rozsa Fri 5/26/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 26, 2000 9:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Orgier olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > Sean Montgomery wrote: > >Why do you think Electronic Orgy was greeted with so much > >enthusiam by fans? > > I am curious about this compilation (it is a collection I presume). When was > it released? By whom? And what does it contain? it is a 4cd bootleg compilation of rare official tracks that could only be found on compilations, singles or e.p.'s etc. It was released in 1997 (?). > Is it at all possible to find these days? No, because it's a bootleg. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22668 Re: Orgier Robert Grabowsky Fri 5/26/2000 3 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri May 26, 2000 12:58 pm Subject: FWD: The CDS Soundmill Review This seems to be another piece of 'British humour'. Enjoy! > CDServices review of Soundmill. > > 'I don't suppose we need to tell you too much about this one, but... it was > recorded live at the Berlin Philharmonic in 1976 - yes, that's 1976!!! and > Jeez - is it HOT!!! Just listen to the first five minutes to hear and feel > the sheer emotive quality that this band had! You will soon realise that, no > matter how good all the current crop of copyists are, no-one can match the > real thing at its peak! Just try to imagine a current band trying to produce > the feel of the opening 10 minutes of this CD - it can't be done! Sure, they > manage it to a degree, musically, but the passion of this trio at this > height, will never be matched. - And you know what the ironic thing is > here - it's fifteen minutes in (yes, 15!!) before a sequencer ever begins! > So, basically it's a single forty-one minute piece featuring the first half > of the '76 concert, now sounding crisper, cleaner and fresher after the > wonders of modern mastering techniques have done their bit (no pun > intended!). Musically, this is a masterwork that fanatics might think has > been 'touched up' (but it doesn't sound like it to me), anorak or not, this > is magnificent stuff by anyone's standards and an album to add to the > 'essential' collection, and one you will play long, loud and often. > PS if anyone dares tell me 'oh this bootleg I've got is better', well you > know where you can put it!' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22662 Re: FWD: The CDS Soundmill Review Heiko Heerssen Fri 5/26/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 26, 2000 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] FWD: The CDS Soundmill Review Antonio Nunes wrote: > This seems to be another piece of 'British humour'. Enjoy! LOL! Talking of 'British humour'...Steven Dinsdale's recent TD guestbook entry about 'Soundmill Navigator' is just stupid and insulting: 'From Steve Dinsdale at Fri, 26/May/00 11:16: I put it to you Herr Froese, that there is no bank vault full of tapes of every gig,and that you have been systematically misleading your fans possibly as a result of your 'Equestrian Accident' of 1977'. > > PS if anyone dares tell me 'oh this bootleg I've got is better', well you > > know where you can put it!' Where??? ;-) Heiko n.p.: The Nightcrawlers - Barriers From: Andrew Rozsa Date: Fri May 26, 2000 2:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Orgier At 10:41 5/26/00 +0200, Olle wrote: >Sean Montgomery wrote: >>Why do you think Electronic Orgy was greeted with so much >>enthusiam by fans? > >I am curious about this compilation (it is a collection I presume). When was >it released? By whom? And what does it contain? Check this site for complete track information and cover design: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/td/tadream.htm > >Is it at all possible to find these days? Subtle hints to the readership will produce amazing results. Sometimes. eBay has been known to have one, now and then, but some of sellers get carried away with what I perceive as 'A Need for Greed' and charge exorbitant prices. Caveat emptor! While we are on prurient topics...there is a cover-art version of 'Persistence of Vision' internal-fan-use-only CDR that is truly a connoisseur's item... can't show it to your wife, tho... :-) Enjoy, Andrew From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Fri May 26, 2000 10:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: God/TD essay ><< Lester Bangs' 'The Day I Saw God and/or > Tangerine Dream' essay is always construed as worshipful (c.f. the > _Tangents_ booklet) when in fact it's a heavily ironic *anti* TD piece. It > always amazed me that people couldn't see that. > > Glynn >> > > Anybody have any idea where I can find that essay on line to read it for >myself? Or can someone cut and paste it into an email to aoutland@a... > No downloads, please. My computer just won't handle it. Thanks. 8-) Dell Dear Dell, I don't think it is uploaded to the Net. It is rather long and very difficult to scan or photocopy because of the binding of the booklet. When I have a 2-day holiday next time, I will try to type it in for you (for a while I have been working every weekend)... :( regards, Pal From: Gabe Yedid Date: Fri May 26, 2000 5:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: hot under the potboiler On Tue, 23 May 2000, Glynn Naughton wrote: > However, I can understand why someone who is more fastidious about TD would > be irritated by such an oft-repeated and lazy misapprehension. In a similar > vein, it used to piss me off that Lester Bangs' 'The Day I Saw God and/or > Tangerine Dream' essay is always construed as worshipful (c.f. the > _Tangents_ booklet) when in fact it's a heavily ironic *anti* TD piece. It > always amazed me that people couldn't see that. Is this essay available anywhere on the Net? Perhaps somebody on the list keeps a copy on a Web page...? Gabe From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Fri May 26, 2000 4:33 pm Subject: Re: Montreal > * I actually like the whispering in a sort of perverse 'Spinal Tap' > sort of way.... it makes me laugh every time.... > 'Is this thing on'? > Poly I agree that it adds something unique to the recording and it always makes me smile.. I have never found it intrusive at all. Lawry PS - Good to see the list didn't self-destruct whilst I was on holiday like the old UWP one did! *8-) NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22672 Re: Montreal Gabe Yedid Sat 5/27/2000 2 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Fri May 26, 2000 5:47 pm Subject: Discussion Week 37 - Sunday 28th April 2000 Well, I'm back. Thanks to the people that posted the discussion reminders whilst I was away, but it seems that the traffic was almost exclusively tangentisation rants during the last 2 weeks. Hopefully that is all coming to an end now... that debate will continue forever and will never be resolved - so let's leave it and move on. This week's album for discussion is Melrose. Please make your subject read 'D:Studio [Melrose]' when posting comments and reviews. Everyone is welcome to post, new to the list and old alike. As we have had no posts at all for Catch Me If You Can and Destination Berlin, and only one for The Man Inside (L'Affaire Wallraffe) I'll also tag these in again this week. So there are plenty of albums to discuss here. Let's get to it people. BTW - Am I the only person that actually listens to each of these weekly albums almost exclusively during the week? At least this way I know that I will actually listen to ALL of my TD albums... even if I have to force myself sometimes! *8-) Regards, Lawry NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Fri May 26, 2000 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Orgier Guess Again Folks, You can still find copies of Electronic Orgy!!!! Dave Minton of Minette Music still has a few copies available for $80 plus shipping. You can reach him at 1-505-882-4380 or at Charzean@a... He just sent a copy to one of the list members in New Zealand so there are no worries about worldwide shipping. I have been dealing with Dave for many years and I HIGHLY recommend him to anyone. Get Electronic Orgy while you can. Robert Grabowsky aka THE HIGHLANDER At 11:04 AM 5/26/00 +0200, you wrote: > > >olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > >> Sean Montgomery wrote: >> >Why do you think Electronic Orgy was greeted with so much >> >enthusiam by fans? >> >> I am curious about this compilation (it is a collection I presume). When was >> it released? By whom? And what does it contain? > >it is a 4cd bootleg compilation of rare official tracks that could only be found >on compilations, singles or e.p.'s etc. It was released in 1997 (?). > >> Is it at all possible to find these days? > >No, because it's a bootleg. > >Heiko > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FREE 16 track CD with Purchase at Virgin Megastore Online! >http://click.egroups.com/1/4208/5/_/24785/_/959330930/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Fri May 26, 2000 9:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Orgier PHONE# CORRECTION The phone # should be 1-505-882-4830 Dave is located in New Mexico, USA >Guess Again Folks, > You can still find copies of Electronic Orgy!!!! > Dave Minton of Minette Music still has a few copies available for $80 >plus shipping. You can reach him at 1-505-882-4380 or at Charzean@a... >He just sent a copy to one of the list members in New Zealand so there are >no worries about worldwide shipping. > I have been dealing with Dave for many years and I HIGHLY recommend him >to anyone. > Get Electronic Orgy while you can. > > Robert Grabowsky aka THE HIGHLANDER > > > > >At 11:04 AM 5/26/00 +0200, you wrote: >> >> >>olle.rundgren@s... wrote: >> >>> Sean Montgomery wrote: >>> >Why do you think Electronic Orgy was greeted with so much >>> >enthusiam by fans? >>> >>> I am curious about this compilation (it is a collection I presume). When >was >>> it released? By whom? And what does it contain? >> >>it is a 4cd bootleg compilation of rare official tracks that could only be >found >>on compilations, singles or e.p.'s etc. It was released in 1997 (?). >> >>> Is it at all possible to find these days? >> >>No, because it's a bootleg. >> >>Heiko >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>FREE 16 track CD with Purchase at Virgin Megastore Online! >>http://click.egroups.com/1/4208/5/_/24785/_/959330930/ >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >>Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FREE 16 track CD with Purchase at Virgin Megastore Online! >http://click.egroups.com/1/4208/5/_/24785/_/959374440/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: Vic Rek Date: Fri May 26, 2000 10:15 pm Subject: Mars Polaris for The Man Inside? Hmmm, I happen to have one for trade (not for sale though). A trade for the Mars Polaris mispressing would be a good deal. Contact me off list if you are interested. Vic > Too bad that this one was only released in France and that it's almost > impossible to get these days. A couple of months ago a copy was up for > grabs at eBAY but at $50+ I just had to quit...I have a cdr version, tho > ;-) From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Sat May 27, 2000 2:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: OT: Bladerunner Greetings Simon, I love the Bladerunner soundtrack.The original version by Vangelis was not available for a long time after the movie. Chariots of Fire is also excellent. 1492 is also a very good soundtrack but unfortunately hasn't gotten the recognition it deserves,probably because the movie wasn't a big hit. Rick-np:1492 From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sat May 27, 2000 2:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Montreal On Fri, 26 May 2000, Lawry Simm wrote: > I agree that it adds something unique to the recording and it always > makes me smile.. I have never found it intrusive at all. What I'd like to know is: does CHOM still have a tape of this show stashed away somewhere? I suppose I can always call them and ask, being in Montreal...somehow I don't think they'd be willing to part with it, or even give out a copy if the tape is still in OK shape. Too much of a chance I'd turn it into a bootleg... :-S Gabe From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sat May 27, 2000 3:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Orgier (fwd) Ooooo Robert...that was a big no-no on THIS list, mentioning where to get EO...I hope that TDI doesn't sic their lawyers on this guy now... Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22675 Re: Orgier (fwd) Robert Grabowsky Sat 5/27/2000 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sat May 27, 2000 3:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Montreal Are we talking about Patrolling Space Borders here? This has the CHOM DJ talking on it At 10:51 PM 5/26/00 -0400, you wrote: >On Fri, 26 May 2000, Lawry Simm wrote: > >> I agree that it adds something unique to the recording and it always >> makes me smile.. I have never found it intrusive at all. > >What I'd like to know is: does CHOM still have a tape of this show >stashed away somewhere? >I suppose I can always call them and ask, being in Montreal...somehow I >don't think they'd be willing to part with it, or even give out a copy if >the tape is still in OK shape. Too much of a chance I'd turn it into a >bootleg... :-S > >Gabe From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sat May 27, 2000 3:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Orgier (fwd) Not like I have not mentioned it before.......and no lawyers have showed up and besides Dave did not make it. At 11:04 PM 5/26/00 -0400, you wrote: >Ooooo Robert...that was a big no-no on THIS list, mentioning where to >get EO...I hope that TDI doesn't sic their lawyers on this guy now... > >Gabe From: 'tom george' Date: Sat May 27, 2000 2:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: God/TD essay hi pal, if you go to all the work of typing up the article please send it too the list so we can all benefit from your time and effort. thanks. tom -- On Fri, 26 May 2000 12:27:24 Szatmari, Pal wrote: >><< Lester Bangs' 'The Day I Saw God and/or >> Tangerine Dream' essay is always construed as worshipful (c.f. the >> _Tangents_ booklet) when in fact it's a heavily ironic *anti* TD piece. It >> always amazed me that people couldn't see that. >> >> Glynn >> >> >> Anybody have any idea where I can find that essay on line to read it >for >>myself? Or can someone cut and paste it into an email to aoutland@a... >> No downloads, please. My computer just won't handle it. Thanks. 8-) >Dell > > >Dear Dell, > >I don't think it is uploaded to the Net. It is rather long and very >difficult to scan or photocopy because of the binding of the booklet. When I >have a 2-day holiday next time, I will try to type it in for you (for a >while I have been working every weekend)... :( > regards, > >Pal > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FREE 16 track CD with Purchase at Virgin Megastore Online! >http://click.egroups.com/1/4208/5/_/24785/_/959363673/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sat May 27, 2000 6:33 pm Subject: Solar Eclipse CDs sold out Hi! My bunch of Solar Eclipse CDs are sold out now. There are some more available in Germany (approx. 16), but all the disks I bought had been sent around the world. If I remember well, I packed approx. 50 disks. Everybody who did not payed their fees until today - please do it now. I miss some trades and/or money from the U.S.. Hope you like the Solar Eclipse CDs. If I find a new 'goody', I'll post it onto the mailing-list. See you at: www.rutka.de/td (Johannes Schmoelling - Million Bits in Concert, Klem Jubileumcassette DoCD and many more...) Bye, Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22678 Re: Solar Eclipse CDs sold out Richard Ford Sat 5/27/2000 3 KB 22679 Re: Solar Eclipse CDs sold out rbrown4856@a... Sun 5/28/2000 1 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Sat May 27, 2000 7:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Solar Eclipse CDs sold out I'm just checking you received my money: Richard Ford Bicester England >Hi! > >My bunch of Solar Eclipse CDs are sold out now. > >There are some more available in Germany (approx. 16), but all the >disks I bought had been sent around the world. If I remember well, >I packed approx. 50 disks. > >Everybody who did not payed their fees until today - please do it >now. I miss some trades and/or money from the U.S.. > >Hope you like the Solar Eclipse CDs. If I find a new 'goody', I'll >post it onto the mailing-list. > >See you at: www.rutka.de/td > (Johannes Schmoelling - Million Bits in Concert, > Klem Jubileumcassette DoCD and many more...) > > Bye, Rainer >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Savings + service + convenience = beMANY! >http://click.egroups.com/1/4116/5/_/24785/_/959448887/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > -- Richard Ford From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Sun May 28, 2000 4:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Solar Eclipse CDs sold out Hi Rainer! I just received my Solar Eclipse today and it arrived in excellent shape.I'll get your CD right out to you. Thank you very much Rainer! You are a VERY NICE person! Rick From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun May 28, 2000 7:58 am Subject: D:Studio [Melrose] I Have got a soft spot for this cd after buying it soon after the last time I saw TD live in 1990. Melrose is easily there best on the private label it has a less dare I Say it commercial feel than the previous two releases. TRACK 1 Melrose follows on from long island sunset with the use of other instruments in this case saxophone which gives it a jazzy feel. Three bikes in the sky I just love the great build up on this love to play it loud. Without going on too long through the rest I love Electric Lion especially the great guitar work reminiscent of earlier works,Rolling down Cahuenga is a more typical TD track with its rolling sequences excuse the pun. Cool at heart is a beautiful piano piece no doubt Haslinger's which brings a fitting end to this CD and Paul,s career. To sum up I think this is the best studio cd since Underwater Sunlight which was pauls debut so he started with a bang and went out the same way. Gary. PS Will post a review on Destination Berlin after I give it another airing. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22711 Re: D:Studio [Melrose] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Vill Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun May 28, 2000 10:54 am Subject: Dream Sequence Whilst in my local Virgin Megastore yesterday I was surprised to see 'Dream Sequence' in a new 'remastered' edition. It was on the Virgin label with the catalogue number CDTDX1. It was a 2 CD set, and featured the same sort of artwork as was present on 'Tangents'. Is this old news? Lawry NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22684 Re: Dream Sequence TomX01@a... Mon 5/29/2000 2 KB 22685 Re: Dream Sequence Jeffrey Au Yeung Mon 5/29/2000 3 KB 22991 Dream Sequence Paul Fellows Mon 6/19/2000 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun May 28, 2000 11:04 am Subject: D:Studio [Destination Berlin] Hi back again after enduring this. It is always difficult on soundtracks if you have not seen the images they portray but just on a musical front I get the impression Edgar and Paul did not break into a sweat when producing this,apart from three tracks Alexander square,Hitchikers point and my personal favourite Berlin summer nights the rest is pretty mundane stuff sounding prettymuch the same throughout reminding me of the worst tracks on Optical/Lily. To sum up not the best of TD soundtracks by along way from a period which is not a particular favourite of mine. From Gary on a very quiet sunday morning on this list must all be still in bed. . From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun May 28, 2000 6:07 pm Subject: Okefenokee page Okay, it's what you've all been waiting for...:-) The Okefenokee page is online. Right now it's fairly basic but it can change in the future. (URL, different pics etc) It's got some pictures and music from the trip. It's at: http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels/okefenokee Hope you enjoy it! Marcel From: TomX01@a... Date: Mon May 29, 2000 7:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Sequence It was given a review in the re-issues section of 'Q' magazine. For those who don't read Q, it got 2 stars out of 5, their major complaint being that the excerpts from the earlier albums are too short. As far as I remember the definitive edition re-releases mainly got 3 out of 5. Tom (Melrose) From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> Date: Mon May 29, 2000 3:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Sequence Hi I also noticed this re-issue of Dream Sequence, and must say that it was a VERY important compilation in the mid 80s which got me into TD - to become a big fan and collector. Of course, after all these years lots of other compilation albums came out, this selection of tracks seemed quite out of date now (without previously unreleased material), but back then when vinyl was not readily available, it was the best sampler that showcased what TD was all about. It still occupies an important place in my collection somehow and constantly brings back a lot of good memories from the 80s.....8-) Jeffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: TomX01@a... To: tadream@egroups.com Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Sequence It was given a review in the re-issues section of 'Q' magazine. For those who don't read Q, it got 2 stars out of 5, their major complaint being that the excerpts from the earlier albums are too short. As far as I remember the definitive edition re-releases mainly got 3 out of 5. Tom (Melrose) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'koulos' Date: Mon May 29, 2000 3:28 pm Subject: summer time a sort question to all TD fans out there since i am in greece were summer is a nice time of the year i was wondering what is everyone's favorite summer track [to seat at the beach and do whatever you wanna do at a beach listening to it] yours koulos@b... p.s. i mainly wanna hear TD tracks but any other wouldn't be that bad p.s.2 sorry for bad english p.s.3 if you have more than 1 it's okay with me p.s.4 even if your favorite is for time spend in the mountain ....as long as it goes with hot,sunshine days as those we do have here [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon May 29, 2000 5:09 pm Subject: OT but TD related - PHILIP GLASS Hello dreamers, I'm in web only mode but I'm always reading some posts once in a while. I'd like to know what you think of Philip Glass. TD were very influenced by him, weren't they? I'm starting to know PG's music now - already got all the MP3 extracts from the official site. Some of my favourites were the bits from Einstein on the Beach (Knee 3), Part 2 from Music in 12 Parts, an excerpt from Music in Changing Part, and Screens of Memory from the 1000 Airplanes soundtrack. Could you recommend a good album from P.Glass to start? Please answer to this privately, as I'm in web only mode, as I said before. Thanks, read ya later. G.Jobim Gustavo Ferreira Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22689 Re: OT but TD related - PHILIP GLASS Synthhtnys@a... Mon 5/29/2000 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon May 29, 2000 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] summer time songs hallo... j.gordon here... i would say: Song of the Whales (both parts... in fact, having the whole album is good...) Livemiles (good anytime of the year) some other things might be: pink floyd's - meddle, wish you were here, and /or animals Michaels Hedge's Taproot and you just can't go wrong with Jim Croce's You don't mess around with Jim album... enjoy the sun... it rained all day here... from Zurich to Geneve... Welcome to Switzerland... sigh... there's the old joke about what's the difference between summer in Switzerland this year and summer last year? Last year it was on a Wednesday.... bummer... no joke... ciao for now j.g __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22705 Re: summer time songs Yensen, Stephen Tue 5/30/2000 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon May 29, 2000 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT but TD related - PHILIP GLASS Hi Gustavo, Yes, Glass was an early influence... so was Steve Reich who I prefer strongly.... Music for 18 musicians and Octet are both good places to start....Influencescan be heard on Logos and Poland.. Poly From: Roger Hartopp Date: Mon May 29, 2000 8:17 pm Subject: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! As some of you will already know (I hope!) I have a radio programme broadcasting from Poland - but available on the World Wide Web at ituner.com/rak/rakaudio.html (click on Real Audio or, if no joy, click on 'STEREO') every Friday evening from 10pm to 11pm European time (1 hour ahead of British Summer time) - called 'Astral Voyager', featuring electronic, rock, pop & progressive instrumental music. It is presented in English. On Friday June 30th I will be broadcasting a special three hour edition featuring the fans' - that's all of you - all time favourite Tangerine Dream albums. The radio station (Radio RAK), although broadcast locally in Krakow and on the WWW, is a college radio station, and therefore all its broadcasters, including myself, are volunteers. I do the show simply because I enjoy the music. RAK is perhaps one of the few radio stations who will play this kind of music. If you would like to take part in the vote, please send to me (off list) your Top ten favourite Tangerine Dream albums - in one to ten order (if you decide to publish your top ten on-list, I'll include them, but I don't know if Joe will approve). Tell me why you chose your favourite album so I can air your views. You can vote for any album, including soundtracks, but, with the exception of the Dream Mixes albums (which, let's face it, have been so rearranged and had so many new tracks added), I suggest keeping compilations out. But if you do want to include compilations, I'll add them to the total vote. But don't include bootlegs or fan tapes. Also how about letting me know your least favourite Tangerine Dream album? I will publish the results on list the following Saturday (July 1 if you're unable to listen to the show). The results will largely be decided on your votes. Please let me know - I don't want to resort to 'borrowing' somebody else's (now out-of-date) list. For your information, my top ten favourite TD albums are: 1. Tyger; 2. Underwater Sunlight; 3. Dream Mixes (1); 4. Mars Polaris; 5. Stratosfear; 6. Ricochet; 7.Poland; 8.Oasis; 9. Le Parc; 10. Force Majeure. Send your votes to gmroger@y... Thanks everyone for your help! Roger Hartopp ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22694 Re: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Joe Shoults Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB 22697 Re: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Synthhtnys@a... Tue 5/30/2000 1 KB 22698 Re: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Heiko Heerssen Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB 22699 Re: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Bert.Hulshoff@N... Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB 22703 Re: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Antonio Nunes Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB 22707 Re: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Yensen, Stephen Tue 5/30/2000 3 KB 22714 Re: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Greg Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB 22715 Re: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! j.gordon Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB 22718 Re: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Gabe Yedid Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB From: 'James Chapman' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 5:27 am Subject: album list? Hi there, I'm relatively new to TD, but it seems they have released about 100? albums! I THINK I have every studio/live one from 1974-87 (unless there are some exceptions to the Virgin/Blue years reissues). I have also got Optical Race (strange, I like that one) and Melrose (also very good). What I want to know is a list, in chronological order of all the live and studio albums from 1988 onwards ( because I'm trying to go through them in roughly the correct order). I'll worry about soundtracks later!!! It would also be nice to know the yera they were recorded in as there are no indications on the TDI relases. Is there anywhere I can get them for less than £14.99? And why are the Pink yeras and Blue years periods named as such??? Cheers James ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 4:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee page Wow! What great tunes...Vic, put me down for a CDR! Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcel Engels To: Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 11:07 AM Subject: [tadream] Okefenokee page > Okay, it's what you've all been waiting for...:-) > The Okefenokee page is online. > Right now it's fairly basic but it can change in > the future. (URL, different pics etc) > It's got some pictures and music from the trip. > > It's at: http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels/okefenokee > > Hope you enjoy it! > > Marcel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Find long lost high school friends: > http://click.egroups.com/1/4056/5/_/24785/_/959536962/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22702 Re: Okefenokee page Antonio Nunes Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB 22712 Re: Okefenokee page j.gordon Tue 5/30/2000 3 KB 22728 top10 Marcel Engels Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB 22733 Re: Okefenokee page Vic Rek Wed 5/31/2000 3 KB 22734 Re: Okefenokee page C. Chambers Wed 5/31/2000 5 KB 22735 Re: Okefenokee page C. Chambers Wed 5/31/2000 2 KB From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Tue May 30, 2000 4:45 am Subject: Fwd: SCHOOL PRAYER [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 6:01 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! > -----Original Message----- ... > If you would like to take part in the vote, please > send to me (off list) your Top ten favourite Tangerine > Dream albums - in one to ten order (if you decide to > publish your top ten on-list, I'll include them, but I It was really hard to pick these. 1. Tangram - it really is just about perfect. 2. Force Majeure (a close second) sort of in order: 3. Stratosfear 4. Goblins Club 5. Underwater Sunlight 6. Ricochet 7. Rubycon 8. Mars Polaris 9. The Keep 9.5 Green Desert 9.75 Oasis 10. Ambient Monkeys 10.1 Dream Mixes I Joe From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 7:43 am Subject: Top 10 TD albums 1. Pergamon 2. Ricochet 3. Tournado 4. Mars Polaris 5. 220 Volt 6. Encore 7. Tangram 8. Oasis 9. Canyon Dreams 10. Quinoa Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 7:50 am Subject: Ooops Ooops, somehow I forgot Stratosfear. Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue May 30, 2000 7:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! 1 Phaedra 2 Rubycon 3 Ricochet 4 Stratosfear 5 Encore 6 Tangram 7 Pergamon 8 Logos 9 Poland aaaaaaaaaaaaand 10 Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (I know, I know) Poly From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue May 30, 2000 8:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > 1 Phaedra > 2 Rubycon > 3 Ricochet > 4 Stratosfear > 5 Encore > 6 Tangram > 7 Pergamon > 8 Logos > 9 Poland > aaaaaaaaaaaaand 10 Epsilon in Malaysian Pale > (I know, I know) > > Poly Poly, What a list.....almost exactly what I would have suggested! Aaaaaaaaaaaaand Epsilon in Malaysian Pale surely deserves to be on that list for it is the ultimate 'Mellotron album' of all time. Heiko From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Tue May 30, 2000 8:11 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Well a good list to start with Poly, but I like to switch Tangram for Zeit ;-) for the rest I have to agree with you. > 1 Phaedra > 2 Rubycon > 3 Ricochet > 4 Stratosfear > 5 Encore > 6 Zeit > 7 Pergamon > 8 Logos > 9 Poland > 10 Epsilon in Malaysian Pale Indeed a good One > > Poly > > > Greetings Bert aka Phrozenlight listen to my own space songs ;-) and please send me an review. Homepage http://artists.traxinspace.com/phrozenlight and http://go.to/phrozenlight From: 'Jens Kilian' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 11:56 pm Subject: Re: Philip Glass > From: Gustavo Jobim > Subject: OT but TD related - PHILIP GLASS > > Hello dreamers, > > I'm in web only mode but I'm always reading some posts once in a while. > I'd like to know what you think of Philip Glass. TD were very influenced by > him, weren't they? I'm starting to know PG's music now - already got all > the MP3 extracts from the official site. Where is the official site (said he, drooling ;-). > Could you recommend a good album from P.Glass to start? I like the soundtracks to Koyaanisqatsi/Powwaqatsi, and the opera 'Akhnaten'. Bye, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22701 Re: Philip Glass Jens Kilian Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB 22732 Re: Philip Glass jjoy Wed 5/31/2000 2 KB From: 'Jens Kilian' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 11:57 pm Subject: Re: Philip Glass Gustavo, Since you're in Brazil, you may want to check 'Itaipu', too. Bye, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue May 30, 2000 9:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee page Marcel Engels wrote: > > Okay, it's what you've all been waiting for...:-) > The Okefenokee page is online. I wonder how you all didn't end as alligator's food ;-) Nice pictures and nice music. Well done Marcel! I'm eagerly waiting for the CDR. Antonio Nunes np: David Wright - Live at the London Planetarium From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue May 30, 2000 10:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! My favourites: 1. Tangram 2. Hyperborea 3. Logos 4. Poland 5. Force Majeure 6. Green Desert 7. Stratosfear 8. Underwater Sunlight 9. Cyclone 10. Optical Race Least favourite album: Electronic Meditation Antonio Nunes From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 10:59 am Subject: Worst TD album Duh, I pressed the send button by accident in my last message. Worst album: You'll never guess ... Rockoon. eurrggghh ... Cheers, Steve - -- Home: steve@y... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 10:57 am Subject: Re: summer time songs Unfortunately, I am somewhat biased over this. On a glorious summer day back in the l70s, Alan 'Fluff' Freeman played Invisible Limits from Stratosfear on his Saturday afternoon Rock Show. I'll always remember that. Also Movements of a Visionary from Phaedra is one of my favourite summer songs ... Cheers, Steve. - -- Home: steve@y... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 10:57 am Subject: - -- Home: steve@y... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 10:48 am Subject: RE: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Oh, this is just the thread we need! My list ... 1 Encore 2 Ricochet 3 Stratosfear 4 Poland 5 Tangram 6 Phaedra 7 Epsilon in Malaysian Pale 8 Rubycon 9 Underwater Sunlight 10 Logos Subject to change each microsecond :-) Come on then, Jared, tell us yours if you dare!! Cheers, Steve - -- Home: steve@y... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 12:09 pm Subject: Best TD Albums OK, I'll play, notice they are all pre 84, apart from live miles there hasn't been too much worth mentioning since 84 imo. 1. Richochet 2. Tangram 3. Rubycon 4. Cyclone 5. Encore 6. Pergamon 7. Stratosphere 8. Force Majeure 9. Phaedra 10. Poland Nick Home Nick.Adams@e... Work Nick.Adams@p... ICQ 44174543 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22710 Re: Best TD Albums Bert.Hulshoff@N... Tue 5/30/2000 3 KB 22716 Re: Best TD Albums Steve Tue 5/30/2000 3 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 12:19 pm Subject: New CD with Jocelyn B Smith I just saw an advertisement for the new Heiner Goebbels CD Surrogate Cities, on the ECM NEW SERIES label, and it features the voalist from TYGER. I don't have it (yet), so I can't comment on its contents. Regards, Michael A. Jean Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Tue May 30, 2000 12:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Best TD Albums good list, but about you writing about releases after '84, I 've other thoughts, there are a lot of good new albums, but this was a list of the best 10 albums, so you must choose from a lot of very good albums. Greetings Bert aka Phrozenlight listen to my own space songs ;-) and please send me an review. Homepage http://artists.traxinspace.com/phrozenlight and http://go.to/phrozenlight > ---------- > From: Nick Adams[SMTP:Nick.adams@e...] > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 14:09 > To: Tadream > Subject: [tadream] Best TD Albums > > OK, I'll play, notice they are all pre 84, apart from live miles there > hasn't been too much worth mentioning since 84 imo. > > > 1. Richochet > 2. Tangram > 3. Rubycon > 4. Cyclone > 5. Encore > 6. Pergamon > 7. Stratosphere > 8. Force Majeure > 9. Phaedra > 10. Poland > > Nick > > Home Nick.Adams@e... > Work Nick.Adams@p... > ICQ 44174543 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/5/_/24785/_/959688590/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22716 Re: Best TD Albums Steve Tue 5/30/2000 3 KB From: Christian Villazón Date: Tue May 30, 2000 1:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Melrose] Hello, In my personal opinion, Melrose is one of the best album from TD, specially Three bikes in the sky. This theme is very very important in my life (with Charly the Kid from Firestarter) because they were the first I could listen from TD and inspired me to study music at a Conservatory (I think many people do not like this period, but It is only a personal point of view). The estructure of the album is very consistent and I think Jerome introduces a good percussion work. The good melodic work from Haslinger, the percussion of Jerome and the keyboards and guitar from Edgar was a good trio. I do not understand why Haslinger go out from TD (was Jerome the reason?). It would be good two o three albums more from the trio. All the themes are good, but Three bikes in the Sky, Art of Vision, Desert Train, Cool at Heart and Dolls in the Shadow are my favorites. Christian From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 2:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee page j.gordon here... i concur... cool tunes... put me on the list for one as well... ;) j.gordon --- 'C. Chambers' wrote: > Wow! What great tunes...Vic, put me down for a CDR! > > Craig > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marcel Engels > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 11:07 AM > Subject: [tadream] Okefenokee page > > > > Okay, it's what you've all been waiting for...:-) > > The Okefenokee page is online. > > Right now it's fairly basic but it can change in > > the future. (URL, different pics etc) > > It's got some pictures and music from the trip. > > > > It's at: http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels/okefenokee > > > > Hope you enjoy it! > > > > Marcel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Find long lost high school friends: > > http://click.egroups.com/1/4056/5/_/24785/_/959536962/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22728 top10 Marcel Engels Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB From: 'James Chapman' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 9:25 pm Subject: top10 albums OK top 10 albums for radio show. 1. Poland 2. Live Miles 3. Exit 4. White Eagle 5. Tangram 6. Optical Race (yes really) 7. Force Majeure 8. Logos 9. Underwater Sunlight 10. Le Parc Least favourite: the early stuff like Zeit etc. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22717 Re: top10 albums j.gordon Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 2:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! My list is pretty varied, and is in order of preference. Some tracks such as the last track on Encore, Desert Dream, may be too tedious to play over the radio though. 1 Logos 2 Tangram 3 Encore 4 Poland 5 Phaedra 6 Tyranny of Beauty 7 Mars Polaris 8 Underwater Sunlight 9 Optical Race 10 Green Desert Greg H. From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 3:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! j.gordon here... 1. Livemiles 2. Poland 3. Logos 4 .Tangram 5. Exit 6. Underwater Sunlight¨ 7. Le Parc 8. Tyger 9. Melrose 10. Mars Polaris ========================= Least Favorite Album: Zeit j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From: 'Steve' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 3:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Best TD Albums Hmm... a changeable list, to say the least! Rubycon Zeit Poland Encore Pergamon Tyger Stratosfear Force Majeure Phaedra Cyclone I think they're in order of preference (and at that only for today!). Compiling the list I thought both of what I've been listening to recently and which albums I couldn't do without and was surprised to realise that there are three 'live' albums in the list. Cyclone is definitely number ten on the list and is included for Madrigal Meridian, which is one of my top three of the long tracks. I find the other two tracks pretty unlistenable - if only the vocals weren't there! Strangely, the vocals on Tyger work for me... My 'thanks but no thanks' list includes Le Parc (lightweight and predictable) and 220 Volts (going through the motions). My all-time favourite TD album would have to be a CDR best of I compiled myself... Steve Graphics: http://www.beartrap.dircon.co.uk/bryce/ Personal: http://www.beartrap.dircon.co.uk/ Zeus: http://www.jsdesign.dircon.co.uk/zeus/ From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] top10 albums j.gordon here... i must say, james, you have have a fine ear... i could have as easily written this this myself... i say, though, you'll have to give Tyger a chance... ;) \|/ :-< /|\ j.gordon --- James Chapman wrote: > OK top 10 albums for radio show. > > 1. Poland > 2. Live Miles > 3. Exit > 4. White Eagle > 5. Tangram > 6. Optical Race (yes really) > 7. Force Majeure > 8. Logos > 9. Underwater Sunlight > 10. Le Parc > > Least favourite: the early stuff like Zeit etc. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From: Gabe Yedid Date: Tue May 30, 2000 4:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Here are my top 10...I've tried to put them in some particular order... 1) Melrose 2) Phaedra 3) Tangram 4) Dream Mixes (I) 5) Poland 6) Le Parc 7) 220 Volt 8) Green Desert 9) Oasis 10) Mars Polaris Worst TD album: I'd say it's a toss-up between _Electronic Meditation_ and _Optical Race_. keep in mind these lists are constantly being revised with each new purchase. cheers, Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22720 Re: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Sean Montgomery Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue May 30, 2000 5:09 pm Subject: D:[Studio] Melrose 'Melrose' was a TD album that I liked right from the beginning (which isn't always the case). I wasn't too impressed by 'Lily on the beach' with its pop appeal and shorter tracks, especially after such great album like 'Livemiles' or good ones like 'Optical race'... But on 'Melrose' they returned to their compositional strength, putting out one beautiful melody after another and making this the best (IMO) release on the Private Label. Much of the tracks one can hear on Melrose were used in the 1990 UK Tour (too bad I wasn't there...but at that time I was more into Punk music...Gabba Gabba Hey! ;-), which was also the last tour for Paul Haslinger who left the band a year later to start his solo career. So I can only report that it's a fantastic album and surely one of their best in the whole 90's....btw, it also has a beautiful cover. Edgar once said in an interview that temperatures were over 40°C when they took the photos of our three heroes riding bicycles in the desert :-0 Heiko From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue May 30, 2000 4:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! A somewhat arbitrary, off-the-top-of-my-head list: Pergamon Dream Mixes I Exit Tangram Underwater Sunlight Ricochet Poland Stratosfear Canyon Dreams Force Majeure SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 5:29 pm Subject: re. Top ten albums wanted for radio show very difficult but this is mine at this moment in time 1.White Eagle 2.Logos 3.Poland 4.Force Majeure 5.Melrose 6.Mars Polaris 7.Goblins Club 8.Oasis 9.Exit 10.Tangram Least favourite Zeit Cheers Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22723 Top ten albums wanted for radio show Marcel Engels Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB From: Roger Hartopp Date: Tue May 30, 2000 6:06 pm Subject: Re: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Whoops! Thanks J' Gordon for pointing out my error... send them off-list to gmroger@y... NOT .com Sorry about that chaps. As for 'Epsilon', I have to agree it is a classic and therefore I'll include it if there's enough votes. The only trouble is, I don't have a copy on CD, so if it makes the final twenty... well, can anyone possibly make me a good copy for CD and give me a price? Thanks Roger Hartopp ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 6:19 pm Subject: Top ten albums wanted for radio show Hmm, changes from time to time. I like everything Virgin. :-) 1. Encore 2. Phaedra 3. Rubycon 4. Force Majeure 5. Logos 6. Tangram 7. Cyclone 8. White Eagle 9. Green Desert 10. Underwater Sunlight Least favorite: Alpha Centauri Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels Swamp-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels/okefenokee Email :mengels@w... From: Roger Hartopp Date: Tue May 30, 2000 7:15 pm Subject: Re: Include solo albums in Top ten? Actually, it's just occured to me... if we include 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale', then do we have to include favourite ex-TD members solo albums? (I'm afraid my Klaus Schulze collection is limited to 'Trailer'...) I suggest we draw the line at Edgar's solo albums, although I don't have CD versions of 'Epsilon', 'Macula' & 'Kamikaze'... Keep the votes coming in. (preferably off-list - probably thanks to my error in giving the incorrect e-mail address you already have an idea what the early leader is!) Regards, Roger Hartopp ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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If you have received this communication in error, or if any problems occur in transmission please notify us immediately by telephone on +44 (0)24 76 424000 From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 9:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten albums wanted for radio show Hi My current top ten is; Tangram Underwater Sunlight Logos Livemiles Poland Pergamon Force Majeure Encore Melrose Green Desert My least favourite is Electronic Meditation Cheers Derek From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 10:05 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Best TD Albums 10 best TD albums, in no order. White Eagle Rubycon Encore Pergamon Tangram Hyperborea Poland Stratosphere Force Majeure Ricochet Maaaaannnn! why does it only have to be 10, couldn't it be 11 or 12 =) Jan From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 10:25 pm Subject: top10 wow, I forgot Ricochet...how could I! Well, it makes it a total of 11 then. Marcel From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue May 30, 2000 10:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Include solo albums in Top ten? Roger Hartopp wrote: > > Actually, it's just occured to me... if we include > 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale', then do we have to > include favourite ex-TD members solo albums? Edgar isn't exactly an 'ex-TD member'. Anyway, my suggestion would be another show, dedicated to ex-TD members. Antonio Nunes From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 11:12 pm Subject: Top ten list My favourite TD's must be - in random order: White Eagle Logos Encore Poland Ricochet Tangram Rubycon Green Desert Melrose Pergamon I don't remember anyone saying anything about soundtracks. Is that off limit, or what ? One of my fave soundtracks is *Thief*. Maybe a list of favourite Soundtracks, anyone ? Cheers Poul lakota@g... - We'll Keep The Red Flag Flying High - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22739 Re: Top ten list Patrik . Wed 5/31/2000 2 KB 22740 Re: Top ten list Bert.Hulshoff@N... Wed 5/31/2000 3 KB From: 'Con31' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 12:26 am Subject: Edgar Froese - Epsilon vs Ypsilon Subject: Edgar Froese - Epsilon vs Ypsilon Can anyone answer this please....... What is the difference between the E Froese - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale - Virgin release E Froese - Ypsilon in Malaysian Pale - Brain release ...these are supposedly different 'mixes' please identify 'where' exactly.. Please contact me off list if necessary...thanks in advance. Ray From: jjoy Date: Wed May 31, 2000 1:19 am Subject: Re: Philip Glass >Gustavo, >Since you're in Brazil, you may want to check 'Itaipu', too. And don't forget to isten to the marvelous version of Glass' Aguas da Amazonia by Uakti, which I mentioned to you via ICQ earlier. jjoy From: Vic Rek Date: Wed May 31, 2000 12:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee page Hi Craig, I agree that some cool music was made - it was in the true spirit of the trip. Marcel is finalizing the details and once we get all the graphics together it will be available to the fans. I think we'll have an American point or points of contact and European also. The distribution will not be in a fan tree type manner, but we will charge a small amount (like $10 postage included) to cover actual and any finacial cost for past and future Okefenokee events. I'll be booking reservations soon for next April so stay tuned.. Vic C. Chambers wrote: > > Wow! What great tunes...Vic, put me down for a CDR! > > Craig > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marcel Engels > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 11:07 AM > Subject: [tadream] Okefenokee page > > > Okay, it's what you've all been waiting for...:-) > > The Okefenokee page is online. > > Right now it's fairly basic but it can change in > > the future. (URL, different pics etc) > > It's got some pictures and music from the trip. > > > > It's at: http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels/okefenokee > > > > Hope you enjoy it! > > > > Marcel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Find long lost high school friends: > > http://click.egroups.com/1/4056/5/_/24785/_/959536962/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > Remember the good 'ol days > http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/5/_/24785/_/959650908/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 6:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee page No problemo! Marcel and Dave ought to copyight it and produce it. I bet Kees/Ron would be interested in helping produce some of this. From what I can tell the music was very much in the spirit of some of TD's best Rubycon/Stratosphere era music. Very nice. Put me down and I am sure you will keep us posted. Thanks. Now I am truly sorry I missed it (but, I did meet Chris Franke :-) I am assuming you received the Roger Waters artwork I sent. I will be taping Waters in Tampa on Friday and Nashville on next Tuesday, so I will let you know how they come out. Cheers. Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: Vic Rek To: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee page > Hi Craig, > > I agree that some cool music was made - it was in the true spirit of the > trip. Marcel is finalizing the details and once we get all the graphics > together it will be available to the fans. I think we'll have an > American point or points of contact and European also. > > The distribution will not be in a fan tree type manner, but we will > charge a small amount (like $10 postage included) to cover actual and > any finacial cost for past and future Okefenokee events. I'll be booking > reservations soon for next April so stay tuned.. > > Vic > > C. Chambers wrote: > > > > Wow! What great tunes...Vic, put me down for a CDR! > > > > Craig > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Marcel Engels > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 11:07 AM > > Subject: [tadream] Okefenokee page > > > > > Okay, it's what you've all been waiting for...:-) > > > The Okefenokee page is online. > > > Right now it's fairly basic but it can change in > > > the future. (URL, different pics etc) > > > It's got some pictures and music from the trip. > > > > > > It's at: http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels/okefenokee > > > > > > Hope you enjoy it! > > > > > > Marcel > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Find long lost high school friends: > > > http://click.egroups.com/1/4056/5/_/24785/_/959536962/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > > Remember the good 'ol days > > http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/5/_/24785/_/959650908/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hot off the press- summer's here! > School's out and it's sizzling hot. Whether you're planning a > graduation party, a summer brunch, or simple birthday party, > shop GreatEntertaining.com before your next celebration. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4473/5/_/24785/_/959736066/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 6:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee page Oooooooops!!! Sorry folks...this was meant for Vic, so please disregard anything I wrote. I was lying! Except for the part about the music. Craig From: 'Jared White' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 3:31 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 521 > From: 'Yensen, Stephen' > Subject: RE: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! > > Oh, this is just the thread we need! > > My list ... > Subject to change each microsecond :-) > > Come on then, Jared, tell us yours if you dare!! How come I have the funny feeling I have a bit of a reputation around here? ;) OK, here it goes (in somewhat favorite descending order): Dream Mixes II: Timesquare (I think this has finally become my #1 favorite TD album [for a while at least!].) Goblin's Club (classic!) Turn of the Tides Optical Race Architecture in Motion Mars Polaris Oasis Great Wall of China Rockoon 220 Volt If I had an 11th choice, it'd be Tyger. And, finally, my #1 most hated TD album of all time: Exit. TTFN: Ta Ta for Now! Jared P. S. Roger -- if only a couple of the best TD albums from the 90's make it into your show, I'll be happy. :) From: :'-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 4:00 am Subject: 9+1 Meine neine: Force Majeure Tangram Ricochet Encore Stratosfear Tyger Miracle Mile soundtrack Sorcerer soundtrack/Wages of Fear Exit A CD-R which I will (legally, since I own all of the original recordings) burn for myself: 'Wahn' (all vocals, if memory serves) 'Love on a Real Train' (of course) 'Das Maedchen auf Der Treppe' (just a little better than White Eagle, which is a reworked version of _this_ track, not the other way around) 'Shy People' (Tadream tribute Pink Floyd's Shine On You Crazy Diamond) 'House of the Rising Sun' (I've always covered this song myself as an instrumental, but their version was so far ahead of mine, that I had to give it up out of depression) 'Chimes and Chains' (really a Franke track; similar, but slightly better than, Choronzon) 'Marakesh' (they still had their flairs of brilliance during the Private Music period, either that or I guess I just love it when they do covers) Ones that just barely didn't make the cut: White Eagle, Underwater Sunlight (great concept), Logos (basically the Keep soundtrack), Rockoon (love those drums) I don't know why I don't _love_ their early classic period as much as some of you others (Phaedra, etc.), but I do still like them (I own both the originals and the SBM remasters in all cases except Exit, and only because I can't find that one). And I don't know why I don't hate their recent period as much as some of you do, but I still don't like them as much as their classic psychedelic, long-winded sound. Le Parc, to me, was the beginning of the end, but notice that Underwater Sunlight was almost in my top 10. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: Michael V Miller Date: Wed May 31, 2000 4:22 am Subject: My Top Ten Hi all, In case any one is interested here is my top ten TD albums. And this is pretty much the order in which I like them. Ricochet Pergamon Rubycon Phaedra Soundmill Navigator (I still can't hear that sound and it would be higher on my list if it was just the original music) Encore Stratosfear Logos Force Majeure White Eagle Anyone want to classify they type of TD I like? And what that has not been officially release that I might like? Mike 'The LORD said to me that He loved me. I asked 'How much?' He said, 'This much.' and streached out His arms and died on a cross for me.' ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: 'Patrik .' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 12:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten list My TD top ten list, aka TDTTL 1. Richochet 2. Encore 3. Force Majeur 4. Tangram 5. Logos 6. Poland 7. Underwater Sunlight 8. Optical Race 9. TimeSquare (DM2) 10.Mars Polaris So weit...so gut bye Patrik, Stockholm ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Wed May 31, 2000 8:04 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Top ten list Well my fav Soundtracks: Sorcerer Firestarter Thief Oasis Trans Siberia Great Wall of China Canyon Dreams Miracle Mile Deadly Care Zoning Greetings Bert aka Phrozenlight listen to my own space songs ;-) and please send me an review. Homepage http://artists.traxinspace.com/phrozenlight and http://go.to/phrozenlight > ---------- > From: Poul Erik[SMTP:lakota@g...] > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 01:12 > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Top ten list > > My favourite TD's must be - in random order: > > White Eagle > Logos > Encore > Poland > Ricochet > Tangram > Rubycon > Green Desert > Melrose > Pergamon > > I don't remember anyone saying anything about soundtracks. Is that off > limit, or what ? One of my fave soundtracks is *Thief*. Maybe a list of > favourite Soundtracks, anyone ? > Cheers > Poul > lakota@g... > - We'll Keep The Red Flag Flying High - > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/5/_/24785/_/959728143/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 8:57 am Subject: [tadream] Top ten soundtrack list j.gordon here... > Maybe a list of favourite Soundtracks, anyone ? i'll pick that up: Miracle Mile Oasis Thief Heartbreakers Transsiberia Legend Destination Berlin Zoning Wollyhood Years Vol.I (does this count?) What a Blast! (i left risky business out, cause with the exception of love on a real train, it's FM in sheep's clothing... and besides, they only occupy half the album...) j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22744 Re: Top ten soundtrack list John Marchington Wed 5/31/2000 3 KB 22750 Re: Top ten soundtrack list j.gordon Wed 5/31/2000 2 KB 22751 Re: Top ten soundtrack list Gabe Yedid Wed 5/31/2000 2 KB 22925 Re: Top ten soundtrack list Gabe Yedid Wed 6/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 9:51 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] Top ten soundtrack list Great, suits me fine ! Mine would be - in random order again: Thief The Keep Legend Transsiberia The Park is Mine Flashpoint Oasis Firestarter Heartbreakers And allthough I haven't got it, the music from Rainbow Drive is great...... ( I like others, but ten's the limit ) Poul j.gordon here... Maybe a list of favourite Soundtracks, anyone ? i'll pick that up: >snip< From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 9:48 am Subject: RE: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Jared sez: >How come I have the funny feeling I have a bit of a reputation around here? ;) Whatever gave you that idea? Welcome back, BTW. Cheers, Steve. - -- Home: steve@y... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22746 Re: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Jared White Wed 5/31/2000 2 KB 22748 Re: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! craig.cordrey@g... Wed 5/31/2000 3 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 12:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten soundtrack list What, no 'Flashpoint'? ----- Original Message ----- From: j.gordon To: Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 8:57 PM Subject: [tadream] Top ten soundtrack list > j.gordon here... > > > Maybe a list of favourite Soundtracks, anyone ? > > i'll pick that up: > > Miracle Mile > Oasis > Thief > Heartbreakers > Transsiberia > Legend > Destination Berlin > Zoning > Wollyhood Years Vol.I (does this count?) > What a Blast! > > (i left risky business out, cause with the exception of love on a real train, > it's FM in sheep's clothing... and besides, they only occupy half the album...) > > j.gordon > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hot off the press- summer's here! > School's out and it's sizzling hot. Whether you're planning a > graduation party, a summer brunch, or simple birthday party, > shop GreatEntertaining.com before your next celebration. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4473/5/_/24785/_/959763451/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Wed May 31, 2000 1:35 pm Subject: RE: Top Ten albums wanted for radio show Hi , my current TOP TEN is: 1. Optical race 2. Mars Polaris 3. Logos 4. Green Desert 5. Tournado 6. Goblins Club 7. Stratosfear 8. Rubycon 9. Melrose 10. What a Blast? Cheers Heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jared White' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 3:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Hi, Steve, > >How come I have the funny feeling I have a bit of a > reputation around here? > ;) > > Whatever gave you that idea? Gee, I can't imagine.... > Welcome back, BTW. Thanks! BTW, if I were really being honest I would have included at least a couple pre-1988 albums in my top ten list, but I figured I'd make a statement since a number of other people pretty much just put up a discography of the Virgin years as their top ten list. :) Take care, Jared Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22748 Re: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! craig.cordrey@g... Wed 5/31/2000 3 KB From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Wed May 31, 2000 4:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Ok, here's my top ten: 1. Tangram 2. Logos 3. Force Majeure 4. Pergamon 5. Hyperborea 6. Stratosfear 7. Poland 8. Livemiles 9. Exit 10.Ricochet If you ask me tomorrow it will probably be different (except maybe for the first 2). Cheers, Jorge Figueiredo np: Eric Snelders - The Source of Scarlet Dreams From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Wed May 31, 2000 5:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Late to the party due to heavy work committments, but I'll give this a whirl : 1. Force Majeure 2. Logos 3. Underwater Sunlight 4. Phaedra 5. Alpha Centauri 6. White Eagle 7. Tangram 8. Poland 9. 220Volt Live 10.Hyperborea Probably too close to the 'Virgin back catalog' for some people's taste 8-). I was tempted to add Mars Polaris to the list (at number 10) but when I asked myself 'Is Mars Polaris really better than Hyperborea?' the answer was no. Cheers for now, NP : Paul Nagle/Headshock @ Jodrell Bank - 22nd April 2000 The four concerts from JB in March and April (Under the Dome, Radio Massacre International, Arcane and Paul Nagle) are available in a 4CDR set from SMD for £20. All four are must-haves, IMO - I've even grown to like the RMI stuff. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 5:32 pm Subject: RE: Top Ten Albums Greetings all- I'm not a fan of Top Ten Lists, as they are to me always artificial and subject to the mood and whim of the day. But I'll play along this once so as to try and give what I would think is an overview of the band's history up to this point. I've tried also to select albums that would flow well together.... In order of appearance- 1. Zeit 2. Rubycon 3. Encore 4. Pergamon 5. Logos 6. Underwater Sunlight 7. Optical Race 8. 220 Volt 9. Dream Mixes II 10. Mars Polaris This is what I would play if I wanted to introduce the band to the other 99.9999% of the world. :) goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22816 Top Ten Albums Carl Kearney Mon 6/5/2000 3 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 5:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten soundtrack list --- John Marchington wrote: > What, no 'Flashpoint'? j.gordon here... to be honest, i haven't gotten around to getting that one... however the few tracks i've heard don't fling my socks off... maybe next go around of TD buynig... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22751 Re: Top ten soundtrack list Gabe Yedid Wed 5/31/2000 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed May 31, 2000 6:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten soundtrack list Hmmm...soundtracks too? 1) Firestarter 2) Thief 3) Great Wall of China 4) Sorcerer 5) L'Affaire Wallraff (The Man Inside) 6) Flashpoint 7) Miracle Mile 8) Near Dark 9) Shy People Risky Business: not enough original material Legend: not really one of my favourites Zoning: only 3 or 4 tracks I think are really good Kamikaze 1989: it's a Froese solo album, otherwise would rank in top 5 3 O'Clock High: you've got to be kidding, right? The Keep: what I've got in mind is not the TDI version Heartbreakers and Vision Quest: don't really know these that well...what's the deal with Vision Quest, anyway? I've got the music buried somewhere in my room, but I keep hearing that no TD music was actually used in the movie. cheers, Gabe From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed May 31, 2000 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Jared White wrote: > > BTW, if I were really being honest I would have included at least a > couple pre-1988 albums in my top ten list, but I figured I'd make a > statement since a number of other people pretty much just put up a > discography of the Virgin years as their top ten list. :) Hi Jared, Now, please give us your 'honest' list. Inquiring minds want to know :-) And please understand that if other people voted on the Virgin albums, it was not just to annoy you, but because they think those albums are the best ones. And BTW, I voted on 'Optical Race' too. Antonio Nunes np: Patrick O'Hearn - Ancient Dreams Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22753 Re: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Jared White Wed 5/31/2000 2 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 6:36 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Hi, Antonio, > Now, please give us your 'honest' list. Inquiring minds want > to know :-) Aaaahh! Oh all right -- here's my real top ten for now: Dream Mixes II (still my #1) Goblin's Club Architecture in Motion Mars Polaris Turn of the Tides Optical Race Tangram Poland Great Wall of China Rockoon And my 11th choice would still be Tyger. Too bad I can't include compilations -- Dream Sequence is actually my favorite Virgin 'album', because (a) it was my first Virgin anything, and (b) I think it's a perfect selection and format. I so-o-o glad it's been reprinted! > And please understand that if other people voted on the Virgin > albums, it was not just to annoy you, but because they think those > albums are the best ones. And BTW, I voted on 'Optical Race' too. Oh, of course I know no one was trying to annoy me. I was trying to annoy them, actually. :P Glad you like Optical Race! Regards, Jared From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 7:07 pm Subject: RE.top ten sondtrack list Not a great lover of soundtracks but here goes. 1.Oasis 2.Thief 3.What a blast 4.Great Wall of China 5.Canyon Dreams 6.Sorcerer 7.Legend 8.Transsiberia 9.Near Dark 10.Firestarter ps.Would anybody be brave enough to do all time top ten tracks? Cheers Gary. From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 7:44 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] RE.top ten sondtrack list Here's my soundtracklist, at this very moment: 1: Flashpoint 2: Flashpoint 3: Flashpoint 4: Flashpoint 5: Flashpoint 6: Flashpoint 7: Flashpoint 8: Flashpoint 9: Flashpoint 10: Flashpoint and guy's...........you have 10 chances to gues what I am watching and listening to right now....... =) Jan From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 8:14 pm Subject: Public Service Announcement Checking through my TV guide for the coming month, I found the following interesting items (UK readers only). Miracle Mile is showing on 20th June on the Sky Moviemax channel at 02:45 - given 4/5 stars in the write up Risky Business is showing on a couple of channels Either pay some dosh and watch on U>Direct on 26th June at 06:15, or watch on Sky Cinema on 16th June 22:00 or Sky Cinema 2 on 10th June 23:05 Unfortunately I don't subscribe to any of those channels and therefore will miss them both. ARSE! Lawry NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Roger Hartopp Date: Wed May 31, 2000 8:26 pm Subject: Re: Top tens - answers to a few questions Hello everyone! Thanks everyone for all the top tens – it certainly makes the programme very credible now, even though the show isn’t due to air until June 30th (so plenty of time for more votes!) Just to answer some of the points raised by a lot of folk: Poul Erik/Bert Hulshoff: All Tangerine Dream albums can be included in your top tens, even soundtracks & compilations. Mind you, if you want to set up top ten soundtracks, maybe I might sneak that on one of my one-hour programmes. Maybe Friday 23th? It could act as a dress rehearsal for the big programme the following week. I agree with you, Nick Adams – not a letter about Tangentizing for a while! But I would prefer your charts to be off-list otherwise it takes the element of surprise away! (I’ve know doubt everyone’s busy compiling charts and so already have an idea who the leader is...) Jan: Sorry, keep it simple – keep it ten! Antonio Nunes: Maybe a future show we can charts for TD members, although my Klaus Schulze collection is pretty small, and my Chris Franke collection stopped after the atrocius ‘Pacific Blue’ (if it was a TD album, that would be my worst!). Jared White: Again I agree, Some of the latest stuff is pretty good and deserves a place in the top ten. And ‘Mars Polaris’ is doing reasonably well... To Sean, Pergamon & Poul Erik: Hey guys, choose a one to ten order so I can include your scores into the final chart. There’s still plenty of time to think about it! P.S. Steven Yensen. I remember the show too. In fact, during his time, I remember Alan Freeman played “Invisible Limits” twice, “Stratosfear” twice, and “Bent Cold Sidewalk” to the middle of the instrumental section! Just to let you all know I’m not on the show this Friday (it’s going to be hosted by Matt ‘Catchspell’, and he’s featuring a French group called ‘Air’. I’m back on the following Friday. I’m off to a wedding for a few days, so I won’t be able to answer any further queries until Monday at the earliest. But keep the top tens flowing, even the soundtrack ones. See you all Monday... Roger Hartopp gmroger@y... please... ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22759 Re: Top tens Sean Montgomery Wed 5/31/2000 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 9:25 pm Subject: [tadream] RE.top ten song list --- Gary Jenkins wrote: > ps.Would anybody be brave enough to do all time top ten tracks? > Cheers Gary. i'm all over it... 1. Albuerquerque Concert 2. Song of the Whale part II 3. Song of the Whale part I 4. West Berlin Concert 5. Alchemy of the Heart 6. Poland 7. Tangram 1 (in it's fullness) 8. Barakane 9. Kiew Mission 10. Hyperborea there's a definite 80's bent here... :) j.gordon ps i'm all a-tingle over the next list... what could it be? umm... best 10 minutes of music, in one minute increments... ;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed May 31, 2000 10:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Top tens You might as well rank my album picks in the order I listed them, with Number One at the top. I took a crack at a Top Ten tracks listing last year, but I figure it's time to revise it... 1. Love on a Real Train 2. Poland 3. Kiew Mission 4. White Eagle/Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe 5. Sojus 6. Tangram Part One 7. Force Majeure (Dream Sequence excerpt) 8. Logos Part Two (Dream Sequence excerpt - a.k.a. 'Blue Part') 9. Ride on the Ray 10.Charly the Kid And how about your ten *Most Disliked* TD Tracks? Here's a few: 1. Lost Tale 2. Wahn 3. Dreamtime (vocal version) 4. Caleb's Blues 5. Funky Atlanta 6. A Time For Heroes 7. Rising Runner Missed By Endless Sender 8. Death of a Nightingale 9. Optical Race 10.Living in a Fountain Pen From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Wed May 31, 2000 10:53 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Re: Top tens - answers to a few questions I'll take it as Sean did, take my top ten selections in the order I wrote them :-) There's no easy choice so I guees I'll have to take it that way..... Poul Jan: Sorry, keep it simple - keep it ten! - but You'll have to admit it was a good one though, eh ? - Hey J.H. det var en af de bedre :-) >snip< To Sean, Pergamon & Poul Erik: Hey guys, choose a one to ten order so I can include your scores into the final chart. There's still plenty of time to think about it! >snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-snip-snip< And a little late nite joke: Two blondes were walking through the forest, when they came upon some tracks. The first blonde said; - It looks like deertracks, what do You think ? - The second blonde thought about it for awhile and said; I think it looks a lot more like foxtracks ! No way - the other one argued, - its deertracks ! - Couldn't be said the second blonde - and so they argued for quite some time. And they were still arguing when the train hit them.............. ( no offense to the blondes out there :-) ) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22761 Sv: [tadream] Re: Top tens - answers to a few que Pergamon Thu 6/1/2000 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 12:33 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] Re: Top tens - answers to a few questions OK OK, i'll keep it at ten, but I forgot about Logos, so I pulled out Hyperborea, and here is the albumlist White Eagle Pergamon Rubycon Stratosphere Encore Tangram Logos Poland Force Majeure Ricochet The soundtracklist would be something like this: Sorcerer Flashpoint Thief Legend Near Dark Miracle Mile Firestarter Kamikaze (I know it just EF, but he is still TD) Rainbow drive The Keep Risky bussiness (only half the CD, but these tracks are good) There you go!!!! Hehe.... ja, men det er en god film, og nyd nu fridagene =) Jan From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 12:40 am Subject: Jarre Hello all Does anyone have a good scan of Jarre's albums 'Les Granges Brulées' and 'Deserted Palace'. Jan pergamon@g... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 7:06 am Subject: TD Top Ten (dig the alliteration!) 1. Encore 2. Cyclone 3. Ricochet 4. Tangram 5. Force Majeur 6. Logos 7. Alpha Centauri 8. Atem 9. Montreal 77 10. Melbourne 75 Least favorite: everything I've heard after Franke left ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 7:51 am Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! here's another one: 1. rubycon 2. ricochet 3. sorcerer 4. stratosfear 5. le parc 6. rumplestiltskin 7. deadly care 8. the man inside 9. ambient monkeys 10.dream encores tom Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 10:25 am Subject: Re: Top 10 TD Soundtracks My list: 1. Thief 2. Sorcerer 3. Oasis 4. Canyon Dreams 5. Near Dark 6. The Keep 1997 7. Flashpoint 8. Miracle Mile Don't have any of the others yet ... Cheers, Steve - -- Home: steve@y... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... 'This is a vegetarian restaurant only, we serve no animal flesh of any kind. We're not only proud of that, we're smug about it. So if you were to come in here asking me to rip open a small defenceless chicken, so you could chew its skin and eat its intestines, then I'm afraid I'd have to ask you to leave.' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22789 Re: Top 10 TD Soundtracks Bag Sat 6/3/2000 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 11:00 am Subject: Top Top Ten TD solo albums (Not counting Klaus Schulze... IMO that's another category) 1 Epsilon in Malaysian Pale - E.F. 2 Departure from the Northern Wasteland - M.H. 3 Romance '76 - P.B. 4 Wuivend Reit - J.S. 5 Pinnacles - E.F. 6 The London Concert - C.F. 7 Macula Transfer - E.F. 8 Stuntman - E.F. 9 Early Water - Hoenig-Gottsching 10 Aqua - E.F. Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22767 Re: Top Top Ten TD solo albums craig.cordrey@g... Thu 6/1/2000 3 KB From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top Top Ten TD solo albums 1. Ages - EF 2. Pinnacles - EF 3. Wuivend Riet - JS 4. White Out - JS 5. Stuntman - EF 6. Future Primitive - PH 7. Romance 76 - PB 8. Macula Transfer - EF 9. Depature from the Northern Wasteland - MH 10. Pacific Coast Highway - CF Still working on the tracks. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 11:17 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Top tens > And how about your ten *Most Disliked* TD Tracks? to be honest, this is not easy... in general, for me, either an album is good and all the songs are digable... or the album is not so happy (read: Zeit) and then you can just read off the track listing... but, in the listing spirit (does that mean that we are all starting to list to one side?): 1. Zeit (I just read that this album is Jerome's most hated TD album...) 2. Wahn 3. Touchwood 4. Purple Haze 5. Dreamtime (vocal version) 6. The Claymore mine /Stalking (The Park is Mine) 7. Ashes to Ashes 8. Journey through a Burning Brain (i'll bet...) 9. Birth of Liquid Places 10. Origin Of Supernatural Probabilities j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22769 Re-releasing all 80+ releases by TD(I)!! Rainer Rutka Thu 6/1/2000 2 KB 22785 Re: Top tens Marcel Engels Fri 6/2/2000 2 KB 22786 Wahn craig.cordrey@g... Fri 6/2/2000 3 KB 22787 Re: Top tens j.gordon Fri 6/2/2000 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 12:49 pm Subject: Re-releasing all 80+ releases by TD(I)!! Hi! I did an update of my TD-fanpage. Lot's of new itmes added. Including a TDI-promo-folder with some very interesting news. For example: TDI will re-releasing all 80+ past releases of TD and Edgar Froese !! Good news IMO!!!! ;_)) Just read the complete text in the NEWS->TDI-FOLDER - sction. Have fun. Bye. Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 12:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re-releasing all 80+ releases by TD(I)!! and not only that, but it looks like they're going to start carrying other artists... THAT should be interesting... j.gordon --- Rainer Rutka wrote: > Hi! > > I did an update of my TD-fanpage. Lot's of new itmes added. > Including a TDI-promo-folder with some very interesting news. > > For example: TDI will re-releasing all 80+ past releases of > TD and Edgar Froese !! > > Good news IMO!!!! ;_)) > > Just read the complete text in the NEWS->TDI-FOLDER - sction. Have fun. > > Bye. > > Rainer > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > www.rutka.de/td > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22773 Re: Re-releasing all 80+ releases by TD(I)!! Rainer Rutka Thu 6/1/2000 2 KB 22784 Re: Re-releasing all 80+ releases by TD(I)!! Michael A Jean Fri 6/2/2000 3 KB From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 12:38 pm Subject: Top Ten Tracks My current Top Ten tracks... 1. Coldwater Canyon 2. Movements of a Visionary 3. Invisible Limits 4. Poland 5. Tangram Set One 6. White Eagle 7. Monolight 8. Waterborne 9. Yellowstone Park 10.Cloudburst Flight Cheers, Steve. - -- Home: steve@y... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... 'Likewise if you were to ask us to slice the sides of a cow and serve it with small pieces of its liver ... or indeed drain the life blood from a pig before cutting off one of its legs ... or carve the living giblets from a sheep and and serve them with the fresh brains, bowels, guts and spleen of a small rabbit ... WE WOULDN'T DO IT. Not for food anyway.' From: 'koulos' Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 1:17 pm Subject: top 10 list from 10 to 1 here they are 10 5th cd of dream roots collection 9 tyger 8 miracle mile 7dream encores 6 legend 5 oasis 4 [don't know if it counts as a cd but i am refering to the cd that the track existing as number 1 and 3 in tan-go refers to] DREAM DICE CD-sinlge??? 3 the keep 2 poland 1 green desert yours koulos from athens n.p. the official song of euro 2000 [only 10 days away go England!] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22774 Re: top 10 list Feldon Feldon Thu 6/1/2000 2 KB 22775 Re: top 10 list Gabe Yedid Thu 6/1/2000 2 KB 22776 Re: top 10 list Feldon Feldon Thu 6/1/2000 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 2:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re-releasing all 80+ releases by TD(I)!! On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, j.gordon wrote: > and not only that, but it looks like they're going to start carrying other > artists... THAT should be interesting... > j.gordon Right! I think we got some very interesting months/years now.... Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] top 10 list I guess I might as well weigh-in with my top 10 TD list--in no particular order. Logos* Tangram Phaedra Poland Force Majeure Dream Mixes I (import) Miracle Mile OST Encore* Livemiles* White Eagle* -Morgan n.p. Dominion '82, Montreal '77, Spherical Harmonics '86, Newcastle UK '81 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22775 Re: top 10 list Gabe Yedid Thu 6/1/2000 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] top 10 list On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Feldon Feldon wrote: > n.p. Dominion '82, Montreal '77, Spherical Harmonics '86, Newcastle UK '81 Is that how you have them queued up, or are you actually trying to listen to all of them at once? ;) ;) Gabe From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 3:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] top 10 list I figured I would play them in the order of my list. :) Because Logos, Encore, Livemiles, and White Eagle aren't complete without their concert counterparts. >From: Gabe Yedid >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] top 10 list >Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:52:25 -0400 (EDT) > >On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Feldon Feldon wrote: > > > n.p. Dominion '82, Montreal '77, Spherical Harmonics '86, Newcastle UK >'81 > >Is that how you have them queued up, or are you actually trying to listen >to all of them at once? > >;) ;) > >Gabe > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Roger Hartopp Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 3:39 pm Subject: Re: Some other DJ thinks it's a good idea... This appeared yesterday on the TD web site: 'Olaf Zimmermann, who is hosting 'Electrobeats' - a show specialized in electronic music on Berlin - / Brandenburg's 'Radio Eins' - has called for a listener's poll on Tangerine Dream. He is inviting all of you visiting our site from all over the world to join in. In order to participate, please list your 3 favorite TD- studio- albums and your 3 favorite TD- soundtracks and send them to the e-mail- address below (please restrict yourself to 3 choices from each category and only include official releases). The results will be announced on both our website and the show and the titles with the most votes will be aired. Thank you for participating' Hmmm. I wonder where he got the idea... Just a thought. Roger (about to disappear now for a wedding) ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie From: mmje@m... Date: Wed May 31, 2000 8:14 pm Subject: RE: top 10 I'll add mine to join in the fun... 1. Force Majeur 2. Exit 3. Atem 4. Near Dark 5. Optical Race 6. Sorceror 7. The 3 unreleased tracks from '70-'80 8. Goblin's Club 9. Thief (should be higher up) 10. Lily on the Beach and coming in at 1,000,376 is 220 Volts with cheese factor waaayyy off the scale. Mark From: Bennett Cookson Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 7:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Top 10 is hard to say and varies, but here goes 220 volt Underwater Sunlight Le Parc Tyger Melrose Tangram Lily on the beach Rumplestiltskin Livemiles Mars Polaris --Bennett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 8:17 pm Subject: RE. top ten tracks Almost impossible to do will probably change frequently. 1.Mojave Plan 2.Comets Figure Head 3.White Eagle 4.Force Majeure 5.Logos 6.Towards the Evening Star 7.Waterborne 8.Poland 9.Three Bikes in the Sky 10.Hyperborea There are many more contenders which would probably get in depending on my mood including; Stratosfear,Choronzon,Beach Scene,Long Island Sunset,Electric Lion, San Rocco,Kiew Mission,Art of Destruction,Song of the Whale pts 1&2, Bride in Cold Tears,Bois DE Boulogne. I think I need to do a top twenty. Bye for now Gary. From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 10:22 pm Subject: Top 20 track list Hell, I can't narrow them down 10! So here's my top 20, ha ha. 1. Touchwood 2. Quichotte l 3. Roaring Of The Bliss 4. Dolls In The Shadow 5. Too Hot For My Chinchilla 6. Firetongues 7. Astrophobia 8. Ricochet Part ll 9. Culpa Levis (Time Square CD) 10. Oriental Haze 11. 220 Volt 12. Electric Lion 13. Quichotte ll 14. Towards The Evening Star 15. Flashflood 16. Canyon Carver 17. Waterborne 18. Encore 19. Comet's Figure Head 20. Tangram ll Let me know what you guys think. Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 10:59 pm Subject: Frank's Top 20 Track List Frank, I have to say that you've got damn good taste! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Cinemafan' Date: Fri Jun 2, 2000 3:47 am Subject: Top 10 ST list Meanwhile Chris comes out fromunder his rock...... My Top 10 ST list: 1.THIEF -c'mon, lets not kid around. 2.Flashpoint - GREAT score especially Desert . 3.The Keep - official, just for the mix 4.The Keep - Boot I prefer the tracks, but quality is not as hot. 5.Firestarter -Charlie the friggen Kid !!!!!!!!! 6.Miracle Mile - Rockin nuclear tunes. 7.Kamikaze 1989 - Fass my man! 8.Sorcerer - Music for a stormy night. 9.Legend - Sans Ferry 10. What A Blast! -couldn't have said it better. Chris Chouinard N.P. Escape From New York ST- Complete Remastered Edition! GET IT! From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Jun 2, 2000 1:03 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re-releasing all 80+ releases by TD(I)!! I think one of them already appeared on the Hollywood Years Volume 2....The vocal track.. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: j.gordon [mailto:ssaalyersjj@y...] > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 7:44 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re-releasing all 80+ releases by TD(I)!! > > > and not only that, but it looks like they're going to start carrying other > artists... THAT should be interesting... > > j.gordon > > > --- Rainer Rutka wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I did an update of my TD-fanpage. Lot's of new itmes added. > > Including a TDI-promo-folder with some very interesting news. > > > > For example: TDI will re-releasing all 80+ past releases of > > TD and Edgar Froese !! > > > > Good news IMO!!!! ;_)) > > > > Just read the complete text in the NEWS->TDI-FOLDER - sction. Have fun. > > > > Bye. > > > > Rainer > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > www.rutka.de/td > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get 2 FREE books at eHarlequin.com.Indulge in our romantic books, > recipes and getaway ideas. 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Date: Fri Jun 2, 2000 10:17 am Subject: Wahn >Nice to see Wahn is for most people the most disliked track. >For me it's the best track they did those four first albums. >Quite powerful imo. Not their _best_ track of those years, IMO, but certainly one of their most innovative and interesting. Interesting to hear that the 'item' claiming to come from 1968 (Rott Weiss) also contains similar types of chanting/shouting. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Jun 2, 2000 3:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Top tens --- Marcel Engels wrote: > > From: j.gordon [mailto:ssaalyersjj@y...] > > > > 1. Zeit (I just read that this album is Jerome's most hated TD album...) > > 2. Wahn > > Nice to see Wahn is for most people the most disliked track. > For me it's the best track they did those four first albums. > Quite powerful imo. yeah, but so's a fart in a spacesuit... just given' ya da biz, marcel... ;) actually, i haven't ever listened to the album... only the tracks at different times... maybe there would be some sort of really abstract chemistry by doing that... however, imo, there's just too many other albums out there by TD to really bother when it doesn't pump the 'nads, ya know...? ciao for now j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From: aoutland@a... Date: Sat Jun 3, 2000 12:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: top 10 From the female point of view 8-): 1. Live Miles 2. Tangram 3. Thief 4. Force Majeure 5. Rumpelstiltskin 6. Melrose 7. Flashpoint 8. Goblin's Club 9. Firestarter 10. Mars Polaris (and my track is the best 8-) Dell From: Bag Date: Fri Jun 2, 2000 8:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Top 10 TD Soundtracks Hi all! Here is mine: 1. The Man Inside 2. Flashpoint 3. Firestarter 4. Oasis 5. Thief 6. What A Blast 7. Canyon Dreams 8. Miracle Mile 9. Near Dark 10. GWoCH Best regards Bag --------------------- bag@a... http://tadream.ac.pl/ ICQ: 38909542 --------------------- From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Jun 3, 2000 10:48 am Subject: Top ten albums / soundtracks I can't put these in order really, as my favourite changes with my mood, but if I could keep only 10 albums, and 10 soundtracks from my collection, these are what they would be. Albums Tangram Goblin's Club Underwater Sunlight Livemiles Pergamon Logos Optical Race Dream Mixes 1 Stratosfear Encore Soundtracks Firestarter Near Dark Thief Zoning The Park Is Mine Sorcerer Risky Business Don't think I would bother with any others really... I suppose I might pick up Shy People, Wavelength, and Legend too... Lawry NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Jun 3, 2000 3:05 pm Subject: Discussion Week 38 - Sunday 4th June 2000 This week brings us to the turkey (ducks and runs *8-) ) Rockoon! Please make your header read 'D:Studio [Rockoon]' when posting comments and reviews. Samples can be found at http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/rockoon1.ram http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/rockoon2.ram if you dare! *8-) Regards, Lawry Simm lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Jun 3, 2000 5:46 pm Subject: UK Sorcerer/Risky Business CD + Roger Waters Dear Fans, I'm looking for the UK release of Sorcerer on CD. Can anyone help? I can pay you cash or trade - see list at http://idt.net/~torque19/td_trade.htm I am also looking for the UK Risky Business CD which has a black border around the front cover, not blue or purple. Also, last night I went with Jan Ksel (from the Okefenokee trip) to Tampa to see Roger Waters open the second leg of his tour. I hooked up there with a couple of list members (Bob Grobowsky and Craig Chambers). We had a great time and it's always nice to meet fellow fans from the lists. Anyway, the show was almost all Pink Floyd music and incredible - he even played 'Dogs'. We did listen to Hyperborea on the way back - great album BTW. (had to include some TD info ;-) Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22793 Re: UK Sorcerer/Risky Business CD + Roger Waters C. Chambers Sat 6/3/2000 3 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Sat Jun 3, 2000 9:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] UK Sorcerer/Risky Business CD + Roger Waters > Also, last night I went with Jan Ksel (from the Okefenokee trip) to > Tampa to see Roger Waters open the second leg of his tour. I hooked up > there with a couple of list members (Bob Grobowsky and Craig Chambers). > We had a great time and it's always nice to meet fellow fans from the > lists. Anyway, the show was almost all Pink Floyd music and incredible > - he even played 'Dogs'. A great show indeed! If other list members here get a chance to see Waters, do yourselves a favor and go. Did you think thirtyty years ago you would see Roger perform an awesome version of 'Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun' in the year 2000?? This is THE song that launched the 'Space Music' genre. Nice heavy duty glass rattlin' bass on this one. Plus the new song is pretty decent. Here's the setlist for those interested: In the Flesh! ABitW pt.2 Mother Get your Filthy Hands/Southhampton PotW pt.1 Dogs Welcome to the Machine Wish you were here Shine On Set the Controls (with sax solo) Breathe Time Breathe (reprise) Money 5:06am Every Strangers Eyes What God Wants pt.1 Perfect Sense 1&2 Bravery of Being Outta Range Its a Miracle Amused to Death Brain Damage/Eclipse Encores: Comfortably Numb Each Small Candle (new song) From: Kees Date: Sat Jun 3, 2000 7:15 pm Subject: TD auction at Groove Hello everybody, We recently bought 300+ Tangerine Dream CD's from a collector. They're now on auction at: http://www.groove.nl/auction.html All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22797 Re: TD auction at Groove Feldon Feldon Sat 6/3/2000 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Jun 3, 2000 9:47 pm Subject: RE.D:Studio [Rockoon] After the excellent Melrose this was a major dissapointment going back to the optical/lily formula shorter tracks mainly dominated by guitars that did not work for me one bit.The best of a bad bunch on this cd are the opener Big City Dwarves which was a reasonable opener, Touchwood and Graffiti Street the rest was pretty much similar sounding dross. Not much to sum up but this was the start of a poor period for TD releases thank god Dream Mixes came along later to put them back on the right track. Cheers Gary. From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Jun 3, 2000 10:05 pm Subject: The above Just realized done this a day early sorry just had to get it out of the way it's that bad. From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Jun 3, 2000 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD auction at Groove >From: Kees > >We recently bought 300+ Tangerine Dream CD's from a collector. >They're now on auction at: http://www.groove.nl/auction.html Well, all the good stuff is already spoken for and near or above retail price. Particularly rare (I would bid on these but they are too high for my pockets) are: Poland 2CD Jive Silver (Rarebird indexed separately) Poland 2CD Jive Blue (Rarebird folded into Tangent) Dream Mixes 2CD import with 2 new tracks and 2 heavy remixes All of these going for $30-40 :( :( As anyone who has been on the list for a while knows that both discs of the Dream Mixes 2CD import as well as the 1st disc of Poland 2CD Blue walked away when my 6 disc CD changer was stolen. (Don't worry, I have them in um, another form...) -Morgan -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Jun 3, 2000 11:40 pm Subject: Interesting items on boxman.... Dream Tangerine Title Mediatype Date of Release Price Electronic Meditation Vinyl 1999-12-13 £14.49 Alpha Centauri Vinyl 1999-12-13 £14.49 Zeit Vinyl 1999-12-13 £22.99 Atem Vinyl 1999-12-13 £14.49 The above is a straight cut and paste from the Boxman website (www.boxman.co.uk). Note the mediatype of 'Vinyl' and the release date of '13/12/1999'. Anybody know anything about these? Cheers, Lawry NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22799 Re: Interesting items on boxman.... kmu9978842@a... Sun 6/4/2000 2 KB From: kmu9978842@a... Date: Sun Jun 4, 2000 3:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Interesting items on boxman.... In a message dated 04/06/00 01:43:14 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit, lawry.simm@f... writes: << Title Mediatype Date of Release Price Electronic Meditation Vinyl 1999-12-13 £14.49 Alpha Centauri Vinyl 1999-12-13 £14.49 Zeit Vinyl 1999-12-13 £22.99 Atem Vinyl 1999-12-13 £14.49 The above is a straight cut and paste from the Boxman website (www.boxman.co.uk). Note the mediatype of 'Vinyl' and the release date of '13/12/1999'. Anybody know anything about these? >> Aren't they the normal 180g rereleases that came out last year ? Kelvin From: 'colin anderson' Date: Sun Jun 4, 2000 9:13 am Subject: The 10 best and worst of TD G'day folks, A simple but effective thread, this subject is, and a real thought- provoker. Here's my two cents worth. My top 10 best is a real motley crew and possibly the topic of the next meeting of the tadream onelist shrinks. The best albums: 1. Dream Mixes 1 2. Tournado 3. Tangram 4. Thief 5. Force Majeure 6. Lily on the Beach 7. Dream Mixes 2/Timesquare 8. Rockoon (ok, ok...) 9. 220 Volt 10. Exit The worst albums: 1. Deadly Care 2. Zeit 3. Encore 4. Tyger 5. Hyperborea 6. Zoning 7. Shy People 8. Sohoman 9. Great Wall of China 10. Transsiberia The best tracks: 1. Timesquare (DM1) 2. Bride in Cold Tears Motown Monk Mix (DM1) 3. Choronzon 4. Tangram Set 2 5. Cloudburst Flight 6. Beach Scene 7. Graffiti Street (Rockoon - ok, ok....) 8. Two Bunch Palms (220V) 9. Long Island Sunset (LOTB) 10. Outland (Mars P) The top 10 worst tracks are still work in progress but Dreamtime (vocals) and Cinnamon Road (Hyperborea) will figure strongly. From: 'Steve Yensen' Date: Sun Jun 4, 2000 4:27 pm Subject: Re: D:Studio [Rockoon] Aaaaarrrggghhh!!!! A major disappointment? This was the ONE album that made me stop buying TD until 1997 when I heard Oasis at a friend's house. When I first bought Rockoon (on cassette) I hated it. I hated it when I played it a few times more. I still hate it now. Oh, the music's pleasant enough, a bit twee perhaps, but NOT TD AS I KNOW IT. Is that enough? At least one person on this list (guess!) loves this album, but sorry, not me. Since that ghastly experience, I have had to listen to each album since then before I decide to buy it. In 1997 I joined the old David Datta TD list and discovered that there is life after Rockoon, but I've never had such a shock in my life. Cheers, Steve. - -- Home: syensen@i... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22806 D:Studio [Rockoon] David Foster Mon 6/5/2000 2 KB 22807 Re: D:Studio [Rockoon] Greg Mon 6/5/2000 3 KB 22810 D:Studio [Rockoon] j.gordon Mon 6/5/2000 2 KB 22811 D:Studio [Rockoon] Patrik . Mon 6/5/2000 2 KB 23078 Re: D:Studio [Rockoon] Bennett Cookson Wed 6/28/2000 2 KB 23089 Re: D:Studio [Rockoon] Frank Arellano Wed 6/28/2000 3 KB From: Andrew McKeich Date: Sun Jun 4, 2000 10:23 pm Subject: I'm new I'm a new list member with a couple of questions. . . . . Firstly, although I'm more than aware of the general feelings about 'Cyclone', I have heard that one track 'Madrigal Meridian' is superb. Would it be worth purchasing this CD just for this one track? Is it instrumental only? Also, have the solo albums of Edgar Froese (on Virgin) been remastered in the same way as the TD Virgin catalogue? Thanks for your help. Andrew McKeich Andrew McKeich Managing Director Artworks PO Box 115 Chester Hill NSW 2162 Australia Visit us on the internet; http://artworksmusic.com Phone 61 (02) 9743 8990 Fax 61 (02) 9645 5552 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22803 Re: I'm new Vic Rek Mon 6/5/2000 2 KB 22804 Re: I'm new Feldon Feldon Mon 6/5/2000 2 KB 22805 Re: I'm new rbrown4856@a... Mon 6/5/2000 2 KB 22809 Re: I'm new j.gordon Mon 6/5/2000 2 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 1:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I'm new Welcome Andrew! Andrew McKeich wrote: > > I'm a new list member with a couple of questions. . . . . > > Firstly, although I'm more than aware of the general feelings about > 'Cyclone', I have heard that one track 'Madrigal Meridian' is superb. Would > it be worth purchasing this CD just for this one track? Is it instrumental > only? Madrigal Meridian is a fantastic track and worth the price of a CD. I was listening to this with a list member (Tom George) a few months ago and this track is fantastic - I sometimes forget how good it is, so I guess I'll give it a spin before bedtime tonight :=) Vic From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 1:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I'm new >From: Andrew McKeich >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] I'm new >Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:23:56 +1100 > >I'm a new list member with a couple of questions. . . . . > >Firstly, although I'm more than aware of the general feelings about >'Cyclone', I have heard that one track 'Madrigal Meridian' is superb. Would >it be worth purchasing this CD just for this one track? Is it instrumental >only? I think Madrigal Meridian and Bent Cold Sidewalk are great tracks, depends on how much the CD is. Madrigal Meridian is instrumental; about 1/3rd of Bent Cold Sidewalk has vocals. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 4:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I'm new Welcome Andrew! 'Madrigal Meridian' is a superb track in my opinion also.Personally I don't think Cyclone is a bad as some others may think.If I'm not mistaken Cyclone is a mid-priced cd now and well worth the price. As far as Edgar goes his stuff is kind of hard to find on cd.Of course it is a little easier to find on the Web. If I can be of any other help to you know don't hesitate to ask.I guess I'll be like Vic and go put Cyclone on:>) Rick From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun Jun 4, 2000 9:10 pm Subject: D:Studio [Rockoon] KS did Bodylove 1 & 2. Heartbreakers = Bodylove 1 = romantic and dreamy Rockoon = Bodylove 2 = sex, sleaze and dollars Track titles as euphemisms - big city dwarves , rockoon Raunchy guitar - in your face, heavy percussion, thumping rythyms, sassy sax Conjures up visions - Hugh Grant - lewd behaviour - (your favourite group making music out of character) money matters image matters - Hollywood wanting to be perfect the magnetism of America to outsiders life here today gone tomorrow Yeah, plenty of people knock this album. I don't care. I like it - have played it a lot - will continue to do so. Next............. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Greg' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 5:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Rockoon] > KS did Bodylove 1 & 2. > Heartbreakers = Bodylove 1 = romantic and dreamy > Rockoon = Bodylove 2 = sex, sleaze and dollars > > Track titles as euphemisms - big city dwarves , rockoon > > Raunchy guitar - in your face, heavy percussion, thumping rythyms, sassy sax > > Conjures up visions - > > Hugh Grant - lewd behaviour - (your favourite group making music out of character) > money matters > image matters - Hollywood wanting to be perfect > the magnetism of America to outsiders > life here today gone tomorrow > > Yeah, plenty of people knock this album. I don't care. I like it - have played it a lot - will continue to do so. Next............. > > David I agree with you here, I believe that the album is more expressional and I really do believe that art dosn't have to be beautiful or appeasing to be worth while. I give an example of 'Catwalk' from ToB and I remember TD's opinions on the matter for the catwalk they did the music for in L.A. I think Rockoon is more an expression of the outside, the humanity and culture. This is done rather interestingly because TD takes definite musical and instrumental paradigms and almost glorifies them into their own hell. Yet it still sustains an emotion--each track has it's own place in an emotional reality. On top of this, the electronic nature of the work spills over the edges and becomes very synthetic. Even if unintentional, the synthetic sense of emotion from this album works well with the increasing sense of synthetic and artificial feelings people are having for one another in the world, and the mediums by which we feel these emotions (Phone, Internet). Greg H. From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 6:39 am Subject: Top Ten most disliked tracks My Top Ten *Most Disliked* TD Tracks ... 1. Penguin Reference 2. Turning Off The Wheel 3. Dreamtime 4. Ghazal 5. Treasure of Innocence 6. Cedar Breaks 7. Lifted Veil 8. Tyranny of Beauty 9. Largo 10. Big City Dwarves and anything else with that awful harpsichord sound, or that sax, or God forbid, both! Excuse me while I go and throw up (makes retching noises) Cheers, Steve - -- Home: steve@y... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 8:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] I'm new > Firstly, although I'm more than aware of the general feelings about > 'Cyclone', I have heard that one track 'Madrigal Meridian' is superb. Would > it be worth purchasing this CD just for this one track? Is it instrumental > only? though Cyclone has a knot of negative feedback against it (mainly for the vocals) it is, IMO, a very worthwhile CD, for all the tracks... and it's usually one of the 'nice price' CDs in record stores... well worth picking up... and, in fact, bent cold sidewalk is my favorite track on the album... happy listening... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 8:13 am Subject: [tadream] D:Studio [Rockoon] someone once said that Peter Gabriel's US was like Peter Gabriel doing a parody of himself... i had the same feeling when listening to Rockoon... like it was TD doing a parody of themselves... not bad music, i think... but, for the life of me, no matter how many times i spin the CD, i can't remember the track names or the tunes... oh, every so often, a name comes back to me, or the first 3 seconds of lifted veil... but i've got to work to remember it... that for me is the defining line... if i can't remember the music or the track names, weeeeeeellllll... it just ends up on the bottom of the list, is all... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From: 'Patrik .' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 1:34 pm Subject: [tadream] D:Studio [Rockoon] Rockoon is a record that I´ve played perhaps twice or maybe three times when it was released. I always tried to find anything that kept me from wanting to switch to another Tangerine Dream record. I think it´s very uninspired and dull. For me this is Tangerine Dream in disguise, but the disguise doesn´t fit! Patrik, Stockholm. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Storely Kracklite' Date: Mon May 29, 2000 6:28 am Subject: Introduction Hi, I am kracklite and I'm new to this forum. I've been a 'Tangerine Head' for 20+ years and don't have any problem telling a perfect stranger all about why 'Tournado' is the most perfect set ever recorded. Likewise, I will subject myself to the most pathetic and apalling excuses for cinema at 3:00am just to hear the 'Dream wail sublimely on the soundtrack. What an excellent community you have here! I very glad to be part of it. Right now I'm really digging 'Architecture in Motion'(aka 'What a Blast!') and I think that 'Thief' represents one of the greatest couplings of sound and image in the history of modern cinema. To this day 'Scrapyard' still gives me excellent chills! Well enough for now, I'm preaching to the choir. ;-) From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 9:43 pm Subject: Just a test Is there anybody out there ??????????? Just testing ,,,,please ignore . From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Mon May 29, 2000 10:49 pm Subject: The return of the ' Orch ' Well its time to come out of Lurk mode and return to the fold . Nice to see some of the old faces are still around . Summer Songs , bearing in mind i am in the UK how about Singing in the Rain . Or as JG said ' Wish you were here' or how about Beach Bay Bunker . Oh and Roger re the TD top 10 list, a mail address that works would be nice . Best regards ' Orch ' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22831 Re: The return of the ' Orch ' j.gordon Mon 6/5/2000 2 KB 22878 The return of the ' Orch ' Carl Thu 6/8/2000 2 KB From: katpurz@a... Date: Tue May 30, 2000 11:46 pm Subject: dream's NETWORK23 reworked... Hey folks, just a quick plug here. We are a band from the US called Rubycon who plays improv/instrumental psychedelic synth type music...somewhat along the lines of Tangerine Dream. Annnnnd as an odd coincidence, we've just re-worked their fantastic song, NETWORK from the EXIT lp. And what a damn good job we did, I must say... I invite all the Tangerine Dream fans to check it out and let us know what you think! Our version of NETWORK23 (and tons of other songs) are available in both MP3 and RealAudio formats in the audio section of our website: http://www.audiogalaxy.com/bands/rubycon Check us out! annnnd if you can tell us where we came up with our name, heck, we'll take a dollar off the purchase price of our last CD! (ha!) thanks, Patrick From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Tue May 30, 2000 9:47 pm Subject: Top Ten Albums > Hi Roger nice to see something constructive going on in Tadream after me > being away for 6 months or so . > Here is my current top ten TD albums , but I guess next weeks list could be > totally different . > > 1. Tangram > 2. What a blast > 3. Goblins club > 4. Live Miles > 5. Valentines wheels > 6. Destination Berlin > 7. Pergammon > 8. Turn of the tides > 9. Poland > 10. Tyger. > Least liked well there are a few but Soundmill Navigator springs to mind , > mainly because of the way TDI attempted to con all of the true TD fans by > releasing something of such poor sound quality . ( THERE IS NO EXCUSE ) > > Most liked album is of course Tangram still in my opinion the best ever > release from TD. I think its the only album ever released that appeals to > almost every Tangerine Dream fan, a true innovative album in its time and > still on my top ten play list of all E-Music. > > Good Luck with the show Roger I hope the information helps . > Best regards Carl .. aka... ' Orch ' > > From: katpurz@a... Date: Tue May 30, 2000 11:59 pm Subject: Rubycon/Tangerine Dream Hey folks, just a quick plug here. We are a band from the US called Rubycon who plays improv/instrumental psychedelic synth type music...somewhat along the lines of Tangerine Dream. Annnnnd as an odd coincidence, we've just re-worked their fantastic song, NETWORK from the EXIT lp. And what a damn good job we did, I must say... I invite all the Tangerine Dream fans to check it out and let us know what you think! Our version of NETWORK23 (and tons of other songs) are available in both MP3 and RealAudio formats in the audio section of our website: http://www.audiogalaxy.com/bands/rubycon Check us out! annnnd if you can tell us where we came up with our name, heck, we'll take a dollar off the purchase price of our last CD! (ha!) thanks, Patrick From: mjj@e... Date: Wed May 31, 2000 9:50 am Subject: Re: Top ten lists... Hi, this is my first posting to this group... My top ten is: 1-Risky Business : I know soundtracks are often held in somewhat lower regard but this was my first exposure to TD Rest in no order: 2-220 Volt 3-Pergamon 4-Ricochet 5-Exit 6-Tangram 7-Valentine Wheels (primarily for the Silver Scale track which is excellent) 8-Underwater Sunlight 9-Hyperborea 10-Cyclone Just under-Green Desert, Poland, Encore With regard to soundtracks I like: Thief, Zoning, Sorcerer and Miracle Mile Least favourite ones: the pre-Green Desert four, Lily on the Beach, the Mirimar ones, most of the new releases (GWOC, MP, HY etc) mike From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 3:36 am Subject: Mr. Modesty's Top & Bottom 10 TD Lists First of all, am I correct in understanding that this radio special will consist of ten Tangerine Dream albums being played back to back in their entirety?!? This sounds a bit excessive and not all that prudent. In my opinion (how many times has anyone heard me preface a statement with that phrase?), time would be much better spent on selecting prime TD tracks rather than prime TD albums, especially seeing as some TD tracks take up an entire album, anyways. This way, albums like CYCLONE won't be wasted (most fans feel that side one is doo doo while side two is one of Eddie and Company's finest shining moments ever). Besides, most TD albums have a stinker in them hiding somewhere. Prune your proposed playlist by selecting choice tracks, not choice albums. This way, you'll be able to play tracks like 'Valley of the Sun' from the 5-CD DREAM ROOTS set, and the Peter Baumann solo track 'Haunted Heights' from the '70-'80 boxed set. Choosing the best that TD has to offer is the objective is it not? I will now list my fave ten Tangerine Dream albums, followed by my thirty(!) fave Tangerine Dream tracks, followed by my ten least fave TD tracks and my five least-favorite TD albums: 10 FAVE TD ALBUMS (1st best listed first, 10th best listed last): 1 1975 EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE [an Edgar solo] 2 1975 RUBYCON 3 1980 TANGRAM 4 1999 MARS POLARIS 5 1997 TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II 6 1985 LE PARC 7 1985 HEARTBREAKERS soundtrack 8 1975 RICOCHET live album 9 1996 THE DREAM MIXES [UK version, because of the 2nd CD] 10 1990 MELROSE 30 FAVORITE TD TRACKS (in 3 sections --> studio, soundtrack and solo): 10 FAVE TD STUDIO TRACKS (best listed first): 1.) Rubycon, Pt. II (RUBYCON) 2.) Through Metamorphic Rocks (FORCE MAJEURE) 3.) Moorland (45 single from 1983) 4.) Remote Viewing (EXIT) 5.) Madrigal Meridian (CYCLONE) 6.) Rough Embrace (THE DREAM MIXES) 7.) Convention of the 24 (WHITE EAGLE) 8.) Gaudi Park (LE PARC) 9.) Catwalk (Black Ink Mix) (THE DREAM MIXES [UK version]) 10.) Sphinx Lightning (HYPERBOREA) 10 FAVE TD SOUNDTRACK TRACKS (best listed first): 1.) Charley the Kid (FIRESTARTER) 2.) Desire (HEARTBREAKERS) 3.) Diamond Diary (THIEF) 4.) Phaedra (THREE PHASE) 5.) Burning Force (FIRESTARTER) 6.) News and Morality (THE MAN INSIDE) 7.) Mae's Transformation (NEAR DARK) 8.) People in the News (MIRACLE MILE) 9.) Correlation of Lies (THE MAN INSIDE) 10.) Cliff Dwellers (OASIS) 10 FAVE TD SOLO ALBUM TRACKS (best listed first): 1.) Maroubra Bay (EPSILON IN MALYASIAN PALE) [Edgar Froese] 2.) Haunted Heights (TANGERINE DREAM '70-'80) [Peter Baumann] 3.) Snake Bath (KAMIKAZE 1989 soundtrack) [Edgar Froese] 4.) Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE) [Edgar Froese] 5.) Matjora is Still Alive (WUIVEND RIET) [Johannes Schmoelling] 6.) Moogetique (BODY lOVE) [Klaus Schulze] 7.) A Dali-esque Sleep Fuse (STUNTMAN) [Edgar Froese] 8.) OS452 Remix (SOLO 1974-1979) [Edgar Froese] 9.) Aqua (AQUA) [Edgar Froese] 10.) Inside the Morphing Space (KLEMANIA) [Chris Franke] 10 LEAST FAVORITE TD TRACKS (low number for worst; high number for best): 1.) Lost Tale (the first KLEM CD [from 1989]) 2.) Optical Race (OPTICAL RACE) 3.) Cedar Breaks (OASIS) 4.) Eleanor Rigby (SHEPERDS BUSH) 5.) Purple Haze (220 VOLT live album) 6.) Ghazal (Love Song) (OPTICAL RACE) 7.) Fort Worth Runway One (GOBLINS' CLUB [Australian version]) 8.) Cool at Heart (MELROSE) 9.) Lhasa (QUINOA EXTENDED) 10.) Ambient Monkeys [it's all one track, isn't it?] (AMBIENT MONKEYS) 5 LEAST FAVE TD ALBUMS (most painful stinker listed 1st) 1 1997 AMBIENT MONKEYS 2 1998 TRANSSIBERIA soundtrack 3 1988 LIVE MILES live album 4 1988 OPTICAL RACE 5 1972 ZEIT Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. SOME CURRENT E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Node, Ozrics, Serrie +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. FIVE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: 'Travis Briggs' Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 7:10 am Subject: D:Studio [Optical Race] Hey people!:) Just joined, and thus this is my first review/observation of any album. I must say, I would have preferred to join at a much earlier point in these weekly discussions. Shame...Anyway, I don't actually have Optical Race...instead I have the Private Music of Tangerine Dream, which by the way is a great compilation of the Melrose years/Haslinger period. This means I'm only completely familiar with Atlas Eyes and Sun Gate, which are possibly two of the best songs on the compilation. I have however heard all of Marakesh, all of Optical Race, and all of Mothers of Rain. I believe this means that I'm at least somewhat aquainted with about half the album. Atlas Eyes is good and Sun Gate is great...both of these tunes seem highly polished and refined, and blend together nicely (as seperate songs back-to-back and individually). Marakesh certainly does start off slowly and somewhat repetively, but its central theme is definitely appealing. Mothers of Rain, as I have heard so many others proclaim, is a wonderful song, debatebly the best on the album. Optical Race, as I think most of us are aware, is either a humorous spin-off of supermarket music, or quite possibly the worst of Tangerine Dream's compositions, hands down. What's worse, they even NAMED the album after this piece of filth!! I can't imagine Edgar thought it was worthy of such an honor...but apparently he did. I like the name though.... Well, I apologize for the relatively non-descript review of this album...maybe someday I'll buy it! Cheers, Travis Briggs Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22834 Re: D:Studio [Optical Race] Greg Mon 6/5/2000 2 KB From: mjj@e... Date: Thu Jun 1, 2000 10:00 am Subject: Top Tens This is my first posting so here goes... 1-Risky Business - might not be a popular choice but this was my first TD experience and therefore holds a special place for me. Rest are in no real order - depends on my mood: 2-Ricochet 3-Green Desert 4-Pergamon 5-Tangram 6-Thief 7-Exit 8-Hyperborea 9-Underwater Sunlight 10-220 Volts But I don't like having to omit Sorcerer, Miracle Mile, Valentine Wheels, Poland, Cyclone, Force Majeure or Encore! Least favourites include: Optical Race (except Midnight Trail), Lily on the Beach, the recent 'soundtracks', and the pre-Green Desert 4. As for individual tracks: I always have time for Grind, Remote and Silver Scale. mike From: 'cunnilingus' Date: Fri Jun 2, 2000 12:53 am Subject: About a record with choirs? Hi, Im new to the list, but I've been a fan for quite som time. I have a question thats been puzzling me for over a decade. Somtime 1990 to 1992 i heard a peace of TD music on the radio with a big choir, I started searching for that piece lika a dog for a bone, but 18 LP's later i've just given up. Could someone please help me out. Whats the name of the piece/album containing a big choir? Thanx Skinny Hastrup Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22825 About a record with choirs? Charlie Crash Mon 6/5/2000 3 KB 22841 Re: About a record with choirs? Sean Montgomery Mon 6/5/2000 2 KB 22843 Re: About a record with choirs? Marcel Engels Mon 6/5/2000 2 KB From: cunnilingus@l... Date: Fri Jun 2, 2000 12:59 am Subject: About a song with a big choir... Hi, Im new to the list, but I've been a fan for quite som time. I have a question thats been puzzling me for over a decade. Somtime 1990 to 1992 i heard a peace of TD music on the radio with a big choir, I started searching for that piece lika a dog for a bone, but 18 LP's later i've just given up. Could someone please help me out. Whats the name of the piece/album containing a big choir? Thanx Skinny Hastrup From: 'cunnilingus' Date: Sat Jun 3, 2000 10:13 am Subject: testing my connection to tadream (ignore) From: 'Charlie Crash' Date: Sat Jun 3, 2000 5:41 pm Subject: About a record with choirs? Hi, Im new to the list, but I've been a fan for quite som time. I have a question thats been puzzling me for over a decade. Somtime 1990 to 1992 i heard a peace of TD music on the radio with a big choir, I started searching for that piece lika a dog for a bone, but 18 LP's later i've just given up. Could someone please help me out. Whats the name of the piece/album containing a big choir? Thanx Skinny Hastrup From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Sat Jun 3, 2000 9:43 pm Subject: Top Ten Hi Folks here is my top ten for what its worth. 1. Tangram 2. What a Blast 3. Goblins Club 4. Live miles 5. Logos 6. Valentines wheels 7. Destination Berlin 8. Pergammon 9. Poland 10. Tyger Is there anybody out there ? ' Orch ' From: 'tootiehoot2' Date: Sun Jun 4, 2000 2:42 am Subject: AOL IM screen names HEY THERE ALL> Sorry to do this, BUT for some ungodly reason, when I got online today, I Found ALL of my AoL IM screen names on my buddy list were GONE, therefore I lost about 60 names. IF you happened to be on my buddy list, PLEASE e-mail me off the various lists I've sent this to with your info. THANKS, much appreciated. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://members.xoom.com/tootiehoot2 Crack A Smile - THE Online Poison Mailing List ICQ# 1247205 - AOL IM: Tootiehoot2 Yahoo Messenger ID: kayleigh_tootiehoot From: 'tootiehoot2' Date: Sun Jun 4, 2000 3:46 pm Subject: Top 10 soundtracks Hey there all. Wanted to ask a quick question about the availability of TD stuff. I was visiting an online shop called The Artist Shop and found they have a TON of TD releases that are openly available (Thus I'm doing some shopping, as they heavily advertise on the Asia mailing list for a ton of stuff I can't find elsewhere), but wanted to ask about soundtracks, AND about European releases. I haven't ever heard about a difference between European releases and US releases. Is there a difference? I know that most times, Japan releases feature extra bonus tracks that aren't on the US release, but wasn't sure if it's the same with Europe releases. AND saw the Soundmill Navigator advertised as an 'upcoming' release, and wanted to find out WHAT this is? I've never heard of it. thanks for the help.. AND if you're into soundtracks, there is a KILLER soundtrack out by Tony Carey called In Geffen Der Hargen or something like that (I can get an exact title if you want it) that was released in Germany. VERY awesome stuff. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://members.xoom.com/tootiehoot2 Crack A Smile - THE Online Poison Mailing List ICQ# 1247205 - AOL IM: Tootiehoot2 Yahoo Messenger ID: kayleigh_tootiehoot Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22829 Re: Top 10 soundtracks craig.cordrey@g... Mon 6/5/2000 4 KB 22835 Re: Top 10 soundtracks Feldon Feldon Mon 6/5/2000 3 KB 22922 Top 10 soundtracks Antonio Nunes Tue 6/13/2000 2 KB From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 10:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Top 10 soundtracks >AND saw the Soundmill Navigator advertised as an 'upcoming' release, and >wanted to find out WHAT this is? I've never heard of it. On the assumption you aren't joking, you must've really skim read the mails a couple of months back. SN was a major source of conversation for many weeks. 8-) SN is the 1976 Berlin Philharmonic concert. However, it is blighted by two major flaws (IMO) : 1. It has been tangetized (don't open the debate again about whether this is good or bad - the fact is, it _has_ been tangetized). Even to the extent that the first ten minutes of this 41 minute CD are totally new material. 2. There is a serious 'mastering flaw' (or some tape error) throughout about 38 of the 41 minutes, resulting in a clearly audible 'fst, fst' sound every second or so. It is more obvious in some places than others. This was released back in Feb/March in Europe, don't know about other parts of the world. Hope this answers your question, Dan. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 10:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Introduction > I am kracklite and I'm new to this forum. I've been a 'Tangerine > Head' for 20+ years and don't have any problem telling a perfect > stranger all about why 'Tournado' is the most perfect set ever > recorded. Likewise, I will subject myself to the most pathetic and > apalling excuses for cinema at 3:00am just to hear the 'Dream > wail sublimely on the soundtrack. What an excellent community > you have here! I very glad to be part of it. Right now I'm really > digging 'Architecture in Motion'(aka 'What a Blast!') and I think > that 'Thief' represents one of the greatest couplings of sound > and image in the history of modern cinema. To this day > 'Scrapyard' still gives me excellent chills! Well enough for now, > I'm preaching to the choir. ;-) howdy, kracklite... welcome to the dreamsphere... glad to have you aboard and it sounds like you've got a foot in both the 90's camp and one in the pre-90's camp... a good stance from my point of view... it will provide you many hours of fun-filled reading on this list... :) ciao for now j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 10:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The return of the ' Orch ' THEEEEERE he is... sorry about not responding sooner, preacher, but the yahoo mail has been funny... i went to lunch and returned 15 minutes ago to find 20 new mails in my box, most dating from last week!!! ... bastards... > Well its time to come out of Lurk mode and return to the fold . > Nice to see some of the old faces are still around . ain't it the truth, brutha... i still reminisce about the time you blew your van speakers on WaB... ah, the good ol' days of speading the word... kracklite was talking about preaching to the choir, and there you were, robes and all... :) > Oh and Roger re the TD top 10 list, a mail address that works would be nice gmroger@y... is the one you're looking for... i had some problems with that to... but the .co.uk address works... welcome back, orch man... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From: Roger Hartopp Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 10:51 am Subject: Re: Top tens Hello again everyone! To respond to some of the e-mail I’ve been getting, here’s some more points to clarify reference the Top ten TD albums and soundtracks. It’s fair to say that all radio stations, when playing an album chart, tend to focus on playing selected tracks rather than CD’s in their entirety. This will be the case with the programme on June 30th (which will play your overall top twenty albums), with the number one album having a number of tracks played or, depending on its length, the possibility of its entirety. As for the top ten soundtracks, remember I can only play officially released CD’s (i.e. discs you can or could publicly buy), so if your favourite TD soundtrack happens to be Red Heat, Codename The Soldier, Forbidden or The Switch, sorry, I can’t play them. As for The Keep, I can only play the official TD version (and not the better bootleg version, unfortunately.) Koulos – can you clarify your top ten? Is your number 10 your tenth favourite CD? Heiko, do you have a top ten at all? Sean, Pergamon, Poul, Lawry, Morgan & Bennett: Try to arrange a one to ten order... please? Incidentally, Digest number 523 hasn’t made it to rhvideo@y..., so, Joe, can you mail me that issue? I don’t want to miss out on any top tens. I like the idea of a top ten list of TD tracks, but I’ll keep that for a future show. In the meantime, I’ll have to have a think about what mine would be (along with the soundtracks). Finally, as many of you may have already worked out, to date (except for possible top tens featured in digest number 523), there is already a clear leader for favourite TD album. Interestingly enough, apart from the handful that have yet to be voted for, no album as yet has received only a single point (that is, tenth favourite). Remember – Top ten soundtrack show June 23rd; Top twenty TD albums: June 30th. Regards, Roger Hartopp ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 1:34 pm Subject: Keep getting surprised >Gabe Yedid wrote: >The Keep: what I've got in mind is not the TDI version Hmmm, didn't know there were different versions around. I really learn a lot here. What does the one in your mind have that the TDI version doesn't, if I may ask? Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22837 Re: Keep getting surprised Feldon Feldon Mon 6/5/2000 3 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 12:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Optical Race] ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Travis Briggs' >Optical Race, as I think most of us > are aware, is either a humorous spin-off of supermarket > music, or quite possibly the worst of Tangerine Dream's compositions, > hands down. What's worse, they even NAMED the > album after this piece of filth!! I can't imagine Edgar thought it > was worthy of such an honor...but apparently he did. I like the > name though.... > Cheers, > Travis Briggs I listened to it over and over quite a few times and I actually think Optical Race is a pretty cool track. Just listen to how many times it transitions! It's wonderful in that sense, as well as pulling and pushing the listener in and out of environments. Hey I love Rubycon, Logos, Pheadra, and all the others, so I am not defending post 86 TD music for the sake uf protecting the undefended! Greg H. NP: DJ Jean 'Launch' From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 2:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Top 10 soundtracks >From: 'tootiehoot2' > >Hey there all. Wanted to ask a quick question about the availability of TD >stuff. I was visiting an online shop called The Artist Shop and found they >have a TON of TD releases that are openly available (Thus I'm doing some >shopping, as they heavily advertise on the Asia mailing list for a ton of >stuff I can't find elsewhere), but wanted to ask about soundtracks, AND >about European releases. I haven't ever heard about a difference between >European releases and US releases. Is there a difference? There are differences, but not major ones, and there were no big differences in their 1974-1987 releases. Dream Mixes import version from Europe has 4 additional tracks (and 2 radio edits). >AND saw the Soundmill Navigator advertised as an 'upcoming' release, and >wanted to find out WHAT this is? I've never heard of it. Soundmill Navigator has been for sale now for a few weeks. This CD is about 45 minutes long, and is 'inspired' by a 1976 concert by TD. The first 10 minutes are new material, and then parts of the old concert fade up to about half volume and they play lots of new stuff on top of it. Also, the original tape had a glitch so there is a chh chh chh chh sound throughout the entire 45 minutes. Edgar says he tried to remove it, but could not (a couple of members on this TD list successfully removed it using sound filtering software--without disturbing the original music!). If you are looking for essentially a new album, and can overlook the chh chh chh as a bit of percussion, try it out. If you are looking for a pristine untouched recording of a 1976 concert, look elsewhere. -Morgan p.s. Wow, lots of people joining! Ok, fess up, who's recruiting? :) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 2:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] E-MAIL LAG AND DOUBLING ON THIS LIST! >From: 'j.gordon' > >THEEEEERE he is... sorry about not responding sooner, preacher, but the >yahoo >mail has been funny... i went to lunch and returned 15 minutes ago to find >20 >new mails in my box, most dating from last week!!! ... bastards... It's not Yahoo, because I've had the same problem. I know egroups.com is free, and I am very appreciative to be on this list, but is there any way the e-mail server can be upgraded? I, too, just got 25 messages this morning, many dating from 3-4 days ago, and in some cases double and triple messages because people send it and don't see it for 2 days, think it got lost, and send again. It makes it difficult to participate in a discussion when messages don't appear for 4-5 days and your reply similarly takes 4-5 days to get posted. Either there is a glitch in the e-mail server software which is holding up some e-mails, or it the server is simply overtaxed, trying to handle thousands of e-mails and just cannot handle it. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22852 Re: E-MAIL LAG AND DOUBLING ON THIS LIST! j.gordon Tue 6/6/2000 2 KB 22899 Re: E-MAIL LAG AND DOUBLING ON THIS LIST! Joe Shoults Sun 6/11/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 2:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Keep getting surprised >From: olle.rundgren@s... > > >Gabe Yedid wrote: > >The Keep: what I've got in mind is not the TDI version > > >Hmmm, didn't know there were different versions around. I really learn a >lot >here. What does the one in your mind have that the TDI version doesn't, if >I >may ask? The movie 'The Keep' was produced in 1983. For whatever reason, the soundtrack never became available to TD fans. Copyright wars, etc. kept this out of our hands forever. A couple of years ago, Edgar sat down and took some of the old Keep material, plus some newly produced material (why does a soundtrack have songs written 15 years later and nothing to do with the movie?) and brought a few boxes of 'The Official Keep soundtrack' to concerts in Europe and started selling them. He was about to make it available for distribution on TDI's website when the Copyright people (remember those guys?) came back and said, wait, we didn't give you 100% permission! Recently (within the last year), some more copies of The Keep 'official soundtrack' became available from TDI (don't ask me how). There are, of course, a couple of snafus with the soundtrack... #1 various bootleg CDs have existed since 1982 with much of the material from The Keep, including 'The Keep' theme song (noticably absent from Edgar's 'The Keep', the ending theme, and other important tracks) #2 this CD, like I mentioned above, is about half new material that has nothing to do with The Keep. I guess there was space available on the CD after omitting the important stuff. #3 much of the material has new sounds tacked onto it. So even though we are hearing some 1981-1983 material in pristine quality for the first time ever, it's been modified and new sounds on top. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 2:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Optical Race] >From: 'Greg' > >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'Travis Briggs' > > >Optical Race, as I think most of us > > are aware, is either a humorous spin-off of supermarket > > music, or quite possibly the worst of Tangerine Dream's compositions, > > hands down. What's worse, they even NAMED the > > album after this piece of filth!! I can't imagine Edgar thought it > > was worthy of such an honor...but apparently he did. I like the > > name though.... > > Cheers, > > Travis Briggs > >I listened to it over and over quite a few times and I actually think >Optical Race is a pretty cool track. Just listen to how many times >it transitions! It's wonderful in that sense, as well as pulling and >pushing the listener in and out of environments. The day that an artist can't think of any way to explore ONE musical idea for more than 90 seconds is a very sad day. Optical Race proves that 1988 had some very sad days. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 4:12 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Re: Top tens Aaarh, feck ! I'll have a go again...... Hope to get it right this time........:-) >snip< Sean, Pergamon, Poul, Lawry, Morgan & Bennett: Try to arrange a one to ten order... please? Top Ten List: 1: White Eagle 2: Encore 3: Logos 4: Pergamon 5: Tangram 6: Poland 7: Green Desert 8: Ricochet 9: Force Majoure 10: Melrose Top Ten Soundtrack List 1: Thief 2: Legend 3: Flashpoint 4: Wavelength 5: The Keep 6: The Park Is Mine 7: Deadly Care 8: Oasis 9: Transsiberia 10: What A Blast Poul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22840 Sv: [tadream] Re: Top tens Pergamon Mon 6/5/2000 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 4:23 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Re: Top tens > Sean, Pergamon, Poul, Lawry, Morgan & Bennett: Try to > arrange a one to ten order... please? Ok this should be it, where 1 is the best: 1: White Eagle 2: Pergamon 3: Rubycon 4: Stratosphere 5: Encore 6: Tangram 7: Logos 8: Poland 9: Force Majeure 10: Ricochet The soundtracklist would be something like this: 1: Sorcerer 2: Flashpoint 3: Thief 4: Legend 5: Near Dark 6: Miracle Mile 7: Firestarter 8: Kamikaze (I know it just EF, but he is still TD) 9: Rainbow drive 10: The Keep Ups!!! 11: Risky bussiness (only half the CD, but these tracks are good) Jan From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] About a record with choirs? Nice name, 'cunnilingus'. I guess the name 'Cunning Linguist' was taken? Anyway, to answer your 'choir' question, to the best of my knowledge TD has never used a real choir on an official release, but choral samples are used on a few albums. Judging by the time that you heard the song, I'd guess it was something from the Miracle Mile soundtrack. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22843 Re: About a record with choirs? Marcel Engels Mon 6/5/2000 2 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 5:45 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] About a record with choirs? To 'Skinny Hastrup' (from Sweden) Maybe it's 'Gloria' from 'The Keep' soundtrack that you're looking for, which would explain why you've gone through 18 albums without finding it... Paul From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 6:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] About a record with choirs? Hmm could be about every 70s TD record though. They used a lot of mellotron choirs. Very noticable at the end of Ricochet. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels Email :mengels@w... From: Airwave Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 8:47 pm Subject: Re: Soundmill Morgan Feldon wrote : Hi Morgan. Long time since we've seen you on the IRC chat ;-) > Soundmill Navigator has been for sale now for a few weeks. > Also, the original tape had a glitch so there is a chh chh chh chh sound > throughout the entire 45 minutes. Edgar says he tried to remove it, but > could not (a couple of members on this TD list successfully removed it using > sound filtering software--without disturbing the original music!). Oh no no no. I was one of the people who announced a denoised version, which I refused to copy to anyone out of respect for TD. Fantapes and boots okay, but no way I'm gonna copy original TD albums widely available. Anyway there is currently no way of removing the annoying fft fft fft sound on Soundmill without slightly harming the music. The music will loose a little dynamics. Most notably in the high frequencies where some of the new material recorded on top of the old recording will loose the sense of air in the recording. Very bright instrument sounds such as the tingeling synth sounds appearing many places will be dampened slightly. No way around it I'm affraid. However, I've done quite a lot of work on it since my first attempt at denoising it and my new copy of Soundmill sounds about 40% better than the first version I made. I'm gonna bring this CD with me to a couple of friends of mine so they can hear it, and then I'm gonna ask them to write about their impression on the list in the near future. The dynamics are preserved almost 100%. It's hard to tell the difference between the original and the denoised copy. I dare say if noone has an original copy to compare with they will think this is an original CD, except for the missing noise ;-) I guess it's kinda obvious that I'm pretty proud of the result. ;-)) The only way this recording could become any better, would be to denoise the original TD mastertape and do the tangentization aftwerwards, which I personally think TD should have done in the first place. ------------------------------------------------------------- __ \ O /_ AirWave, airwave@a... \/ /_ \ http:// (in the works) \ ICQ #65014061 Visit the TaDeam Chat on IRC, SorceryNet, #tadream. Fridays and Saturdays 9pm-2am (GMT) (Usually ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22846 Re: Soundmill Feldon Feldon Mon 6/5/2000 4 KB 24850 Soundmill AirWave Sat 11/4/2000 4 KB 34713 Soundmill Morgan Feldon Mon 7/8/2002 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 8:26 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Re: Soundmill > However, I've done quite a lot of work on it since my first attempt at > denoising it and my new copy of Soundmill sounds about 40% better than > the first version I made > I guess it's kinda obvious that I'm pretty proud of the result. ;-)) Hello HHMMMMM!!!! housabout letting everyone else know how you managed to get the result. I mean what software did you use and wich frequencys did you remove??????? Thanks Jan From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 9:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Soundmill >From: Airwave > >Morgan Feldon wrote : > > > Soundmill Navigator has been for sale now for a few weeks. > > Also, the original tape had a glitch so there is a chh chh chh chh sound > > throughout the entire 45 minutes. Edgar says he tried to remove it, but > > could not (a couple of members on this TD list successfully removed it >using > > sound filtering software--without disturbing the original music!). > >Oh no no no. I was one of the people who announced a denoised version, >which I refused to copy to anyone out of respect for TD. Fantapes and boots >okay, but no way I'm gonna copy original TD albums widely available. I never said you planned to release it, only that the noise had been removed without much loss. >Anyway there is currently no way of removing the annoying fft fft fft >sound on Soundmill without slightly harming the music. The music will >loose a little dynamics. Most notably in the high frequencies where some of >the new material recorded on top of the old recording will loose the sense >of air in the recording. Very bright instrument sounds such as the >tingeling >synth sounds appearing many places will be dampened slightly. No offense, but who cares about the new material? If you can successfully remove the chh chh chh noise from the original material without hurting the original material, then that's WONDERFUL, and Edgar should have done that. Then, if it's his desire, he can add all the Tangentization he wants on top, cause the noise is already gone. >However, I've done quite a lot of work on it since my first attempt at >denoising it and my new copy of Soundmill sounds about 40% better than >the first version I made. I'm gonna bring this CD with me to a couple >of friends of mine so they can hear it, and then I'm gonna ask them >to write about their impression on the list in the near future. >The dynamics are preserved almost 100%. It's hard to tell the difference >between the original and the denoised copy. I dare say if noone has an >original copy to compare with they will think this is an original CD, >except for the missing noise ;-) Please post here on the list exactly the steps and frequencies that you have done. Now if only there were steps to remove the Tangentization :) >The only way this recording could become any better, would be to >denoise the original TD mastertape and do the tangentization >aftwerwards, which I personally think TD should have done in the >first place. Ah, you came to my same conclusion :) -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'James Chapman' Date: Tue Jun 6, 2000 5:20 am Subject: top 10 tracks OK here goes - I'll split it into 5 'longs' and 5 'shorts' :-) Longs 1. Horizon 2. Force Majeure 3. LiveMiles 2 4. Tangram Set 2 5. Cherokee Lane But then that leaves out: Logos, Poland, Alchemy Of The Heart, Ricochet part 2, Madrigal Meridian, Quichotte Part 1, Mojave Plan, Song of The Whale, Stratosfear etc. Shorts 1. The Midnight Trail 2. 21st Century Common Man part 1 3. Dolphin Dance 4. Midnight In Tula 5. Pilots of Purple Twilight But then THAT leaves out......Burning Bar, Bois De Boulogne, Ride On The Ray, Optical Race, Convention of The 24, Scrap Yard, Cinnamon Road, Network 23 etc.. Cheers James ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Bennett Cookson Date: Mon Jun 5, 2000 11:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Top 10 is hard to say and varies because I like so many (top 30 anyone?), but here goes. Ok I even ordered them. 1. Underwater Sunlight 2. 220 volt 3. Le Parc 4. White Eagle 5. Tyger 6. Melrose 7. Tangram 8. Lily on the beach 9. Livemiles 10. Mars Polaris Sound tracks (Don't have as many soundtracks, but I really like these three) 1. Miracle Mile 2. Rumplestiltskin 3. Destination Berlin --Bennett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: tadream@egroups.com Date: Tue Jun 6, 2000 4:17 am Subject: Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Edgar Froese's Birthday Date: Tuesday, June 6, 2000 Time: 12:30AM - 1:30AM EDT (GMT-04:00) Edgar Froese born this day, 1944. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22850 Re: Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday Bert.Hulshoff@N... Tue 6/6/2000 3 KB 27342 Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday tadream@yahoogroups.com Wed 6/6/2001 2 KB 34215 Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday tadream@yahoogroups.com Tue 6/4/2002 1 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Tue Jun 6, 2000 6:38 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday Well Happy Birtday to Edgar. HIP HIP Hurray > ---------- > From: tadream@egroups.com[SMTP:tadream@egroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 06:17 > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Reminder - Edgar Froese's Birthday > > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Edgar Froese's Birthday > > Date: Tuesday, June 6, 2000 > Time: 12:30AM - 1:30AM EDT (GMT-04:00) > > Edgar Froese born this day, 1944. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Turn your EGROUP into a GROUP BUYING GROUP! Join beMANY! today. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4124/5/_/24785/_/960265023/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: TD/Clinton/Kiew June, 6th, 2000 Hi, strange TD appearance in Germany's main TV news magazine ('Tagesthemen') on Monday evening: The German ARD station, well-known for presenting news broadcasts in a rather conservative manner, usually does not use background music. There was an exception when reporting about the visit of US-President Bill Clinton in Kiew/Ukraine (hello, Vic...): The TV-film showed file pictures from the Chernobyl nuclear inferno in 1986, accompanied by music from TD. However, the pictures of the burst reactor have not been 'illustrated' by the 'Kiew Mission' track, but by the strange cold sounds from the first minutes of 'Mojave Plan'.... Cheers, Peter From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Jun 6, 2000 7:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] E-MAIL LAG AND DOUBLING ON THIS LIST! morgan, > It's not Yahoo, because I've had the same problem. the problem must be spreading... i use yahoo for several different accounts... i'm having the same problem with my other accounts... maybe it's a very specific by-product of global warming that affects mail servers only... (okay, it probably affects chelsea clinton, too, but hey, we've all got our cross to bear...) yesterday, i had a mail that had been written after the 31st of May show up in my inbox with the date of the 3rd of May... sigh... it's so hard to get good free help... ;) j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From: 'koulos' Date: Tue Jun 6, 2000 8:01 am Subject: Fw: here it is sorry it didn;t come to that other private adress of yours ----- Original Message ----- From: koulos To: rhvideo@y... Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 7:40 PM Subject: here it is 1 i like the best 10 i like less than 1 but more than other not make it to the top 10 list from 10 to 1 here they are 10 5th cd of dream roots collection 9 tyger 8 miracle mile 7dream encores 6 legend 5 oasis 4 [don't know if it counts as a cd but i am refering to the cd that the track existing as number 1 and 3 in tan-go refers to] DREAM DICE CD-sinlge??? 3 the keep 2 poland 1 green desert so green desert is my fav ok? have a nice show man [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Tue Jun 6, 2000 4:14 pm Subject: Keep getting surprised 2 Thanks Morgan for all the info. This copyright thing is certainly amazing and very tragic. Now, let me see if I got this right: When You refer to Edgar's The Keep; Is that the same as The Official Soundtrack? Is the version included in the Millenium package also the same one ? And do you by any chance have a track-listing? /Olle Now on to sports: >yours koulos from athens >n.p. the official song of euro 2000 [only 10 days away go England!] There is a Swede behind the official Euro 2000 song. Wonder if that might affect the outcome of it all.....? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22858 Re: Keep getting surprised 2 Feldon Feldon Tue 6/6/2000 2 KB 22863 Re: Keep getting surprised 2 Rainer Rutka Wed 6/7/2000 2 KB From: 'koulos' Date: Tue Jun 6, 2000 6:18 pm Subject: OT sports ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 7:14 PM Subject: [tadream] Keep getting surprised 2 > Now on to sports: > > >yours koulos from athens > > >n.p. the official song of euro 2000 [only 10 days away go England!] > > There is a Swede behind the official Euro 2000 song. Wonder if that might > affect the outcome of it all.....? > the outcome of the euro 2000 or the outcome of the song ? koulos np goblins club [and admiring linda-da babe-spa in the fotos] PS in the track notes it says 7 Elf june and the midnight patrol vienna boys choir contacted by paul hertil [but it is released in 1996 so i don't think this is the song this other fan was looking for] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22859 Re: OT sports Feldon Feldon Tue 6/6/2000 2 KB 22860 Re: OT sports koulos Tue 6/6/2000 3 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Tue Jun 6, 2000 6:15 pm Subject: Sv: Re: Top tens > Sean, Pergamon, Poul, Lawry, Morgan & Bennett: Try to > arrange a one to ten order... please? Today the order is thus... ask me tomorrow and you may well get a different answer.... 1. Logos 2. Tangram 3. Underwater Sunlight 4. Goblin's Club 5. Dream Mixes 1 6. Livemiles 7. Pergamon 8. Optical Race 9. Stratosfear 10. Encore Lawry NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Airwave Date: Tue Jun 6, 2000 8:13 pm Subject: Re: Soundmill tech stuff (Off-Topic) Pergamon wrote: > HHMMMMM!!!! housabout letting everyone else know how you managed to get the > result. I mean what software did you use and wich frequencys did you > remove??????? I have considered doing that, but I doubt it will happen. The main reason is that 99% of you guys out there on the list are using PC's and I can't make suggestions on how to use whatever PC program you might be using as I'm using a PowerMac. I've also been using some mastering hardware which I doubt any (or maybe only a few) on this list have. Doing audio restoration is not about making some standard settings and just filtering a few frequencies. You loose too much data that way. It's more about compromise. Listening carefully with your ears and using whatever tools you need to succesfully deal with whatever problem you have. :-) I have used used many techniques here. Do you honestly want me to start teaching about all of them ? I think not. I do have other things to do (or denoise) ;-) I also believe that the people on this list with a real interest in this can make pretty good results by themselves. I'm also sure someones copy will eventually appear as a FanCDR. It's only a matter of time. ;-) As for the softwares I used. Well I don't think it matters much what they are called. I used a high quality, professional and very expensive noise filtering program (with active filtering through varying frequency bands), as the fft fft fft sound doesn't stick to the same frequency. A 512 band EQ, Compressor, Limiter, Exciter and some other unimportant stuff. Too much to make a simple how-to-do-it. ;-) There are loads of noise removal software out there for the PC. Removing the fft fft fft sound is easy enough with a little practise with the program. However, they all cut too deep into the dynamics of the recording. You loose almost all the bright frequencies in some of the instrument sounds. Avoiding that is the real challenge and you don't learn that in 5 mins by reading a mail. It takes a LOT of practise. ;-) Sorry to waste a lot of bandwidth with pretty much off-topic tech stuff. AirWave. HAPPY BIRTHDAY EDGAR ! From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Jun 6, 2000 7:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Keep getting surprised 2 >From: olle.rundgren@s... > >Thanks Morgan for all the info. This copyright thing is certainly amazing >and very tragic. Now, let me see if I got this right: > >When You refer to Edgar's The Keep; Is that the same as The Official >Soundtrack? > >Is the version included in the Millenium package also the same one ? > >And do you by any chance have a track-listing? These are the only official Keep soundtracks to be released (there are a few list members who strongly believe that the ORIGINAL Keep soundtrack was released in 1983 but pulled off store shelves a couple of weeks later---nobody has been able to produce or prove that they possess a copy of this lengendary item). The tracklistings for one in the Millenium booster as well as the one released at the European concerts are the same. There are 16 tracks. I would assume that the tracklisting is at TDI's website. About half the tracks here are from the movie and the other half are new tracks. None of the 'original' tracks are untouched/untangentized. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22863 Re: Keep getting surprised 2 Rainer Rutka Wed 6/7/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Jun 6, 2000 8:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT sports >From: 'koulos' > >np goblins club [and admiring linda-da babe-spa in the fotos] > >PS in the track notes it says 7 Elf june and the midnight patrol >vienna boys choir contacted by paul hertil You know, when I read that Vienna Boys Choir was on it, I thought 'wow, this is going to be a great track!' (one of my favorite movie soundtracks is 'Glory', which was done by the Harlem Boys Choir). Unless my ears deceive me and these boys are capable of stopping and starting their voices like a keyboard, I'm guessing that Edgar took samples of their voices and remuxed it however he wanted. Anyways, the track didn't do much for me at all. :( :( -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'koulos' Date: Tue Jun 6, 2000 9:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT sports ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon > You know, when I read that Vienna Boys Choir was on it, I thought 'wow, this > is going to be a great track!' (one of my favorite movie soundtracks is > 'Glory', which was done by the Harlem Boys Choir). Unless my ears deceive me > and these boys are capable of stopping and starting their voices like a > keyboard, I'm guessing that Edgar took samples of their voices and remuxed > it however he wanted. Anyways, the track didn't do much for me at all. ( :( > > -Morgan > well it is one nice track to hear when you want to remember old loves that doesn't seem to work out any more and one thing about the start/stop of the choir TD is a EM band [in the general] so i don't find it bad to master the choir and use it as a loop sample in the song instead of using it as an extra instrument after all when they use vocals [like tyger ] most of TD fans do start to say that they are doing bad ..... anyway enough from a hot night in athens see you all in the future From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue Jun 6, 2000 11:18 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Re: Soundmill tech stuff (Off-Topic) ----- Original Message ----- From: Airwave > Avoiding that is > the real challenge and you don't learn that in 5 mins by reading > a mail. It takes a LOT of practise. ;-) Yeah well, I wasn't looking for a teacher =) > Sorry to waste a lot of bandwidth with pretty much off-topic > tech stuff. Hehe..... this is NOT off-topic. With all the threads concerning the ffts ffts sound, since the release of SN, I would say that this is. Jan From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Jun 7, 2000 7:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Glory > (one of my favorite movie soundtracks is 'Glory', which was done by the > Harlem Boys Choir). sorry, off topic... but i just had to mention that Mr. Horner has stayed at number 1 on my favorite soundtracks list with this legendary piece of orchestration... sheer brillance... he's since used pieces from this soundtrack in other soundtracks (The Pagemaker, for one) but Glory remains simply a masterpiece of film scoring... and now back to our regularly scheduled off-topic discussion... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Jun 7, 2000 9:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Keep getting surprised 2 On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Feldon Feldon wrote: > >From: olle.rundgren@s... > >Thanks Morgan for all the info. This copyright thing is certainly amazing > >and very tragic. Now, let me see if I got this right: > >When You refer to Edgar's The Keep; Is that the same as The Official > >Soundtrack? > >Is the version included in the Millenium package also the same one ? > >And do you by any chance have a track-listing? Something about 'THE KEEP' (tracklisting, cover-scans and more) are found onto my 'Keep-Mystery' page: www.rutka.de/td! Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: yannick.edom@s... Date: Wed Jun 7, 2000 12:20 pm Subject: [tadream] list of members that are musicians CDR project Greetings everyone After reading the different posts about the famous CDR project with musician list members, i spent a little time for thinking about this. One year ago, when the project was on, Joel Mullen did everything he had to do, but there were reasons (apparently technical about some sources) that the project was cancelled. Joel told us about this recently. I was chosen at this time to create the artwork. This is what i propose : As i think a project like this is a very goof one, I propose to handle all the creation process - sounds and artworks. I have the technical material for this. The final CDR (or double, who knows) could be distributed like the good system of 'a tree'. The first CDRs could be sent to the musician members of the project and they could do the copy to their 'branch'. I'm waiting for your reactions. Be sure the project, if i will handle it, will be. Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22865 Re: list of members that are musicians CDR projec craig.cordrey@g... Wed 6/7/2000 3 KB 22866 Re: list of members that are musicians CDR projec j.gordon Wed 6/7/2000 3 KB 22867 Re: list of members that are musicians CDR projec craig.cordrey@g... Wed 6/7/2000 3 KB 22868 Re: list of members that are musicians CDR projec j.gordon Wed 6/7/2000 2 KB From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Wed Jun 7, 2000 12:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] list of members that are musicians CDR project I'm always keen to hear new music, Yannick. I don't mind who's 'running the show' as long as it happens. Since I am now one of the CDR-writing generation, I'm happy to act as a branch on any tree that arises from this project. Hopefully, you will receive a similarly enthusiastic response form the musicians themselves, otherwise it'll be a pretty boring CD! 8-) -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Jun 7, 2000 12:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] list of members that are musicians CDR project Hallo! i'm not sure that i understod yannick's post... as i'm a member of an e-band simliar to rubycon and we have just completed our first album, i'm interested to know what this is about... is is about a specific group that is producing and album and wants it distributed to members on the list? as i to am keen to hear new music, i'm much interested... but also in the history of what is being talked about... thanks j.gordon --- craig.cordrey@g... wrote: > > > I'm always keen to hear new music, Yannick. I don't mind who's 'running the > show' as long as it happens. Since I am now one of the CDR-writing > generation, > I'm happy to act as a branch on any tree that arises from this project. > > Hopefully, you will receive a similarly enthusiastic response form the > musicians themselves, otherwise it'll be a pretty boring CD! 8-) > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... > crjc@t... > Senior Systems Engineer > Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 > Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division > Donibristle, Fife, Scotland > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22867 Re: list of members that are musicians CDR projec craig.cordrey@g... Wed 6/7/2000 3 KB From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Wed Jun 7, 2000 1:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] list of members that are musicians CDR project >as i to am keen to hear new music, i'm much interested... but also in the >history of what is being talked about... A while ago it was recognised that there are a lot of musicians on this list (I am _not_ among that number) who range in experience from 'dabblers' (i.e. play for fun) to semi-serious (i.e. have a few CDs released). Someone suggested that it would be fun to create a CD sampler with music from the various musicians on this list. I would guess (but cannot state, since I am not directly involved) that the music produced by your group would be ideal for the sampler. However, I would also guess that any music would have to be 'donated' to the CD which would be distributed for free - no royalties paid. Hope this clarifies (and doesn't steal any of Yannick's thunder). NP : Frozen Radios - RAMP -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Jun 7, 2000 12:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] list of members that are musicians CDR project > Hope this clarifies (and doesn't steal any of Yannick's thunder). it does clarify... thanks... yannick (and others)... i would be interested in contributing music if that is still available... i would be happy to contact you off list to discuss this further... ciao for now... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed Jun 7, 2000 3:06 pm Subject: RE: [tangerinedream] Musicain list members CDR project I think it would be great if this whole thing was a community effort. Yannick's right, though- somebody has to take the bull by the horns, so to speak, and push the process along. So, I'll be glad to help, too. Here are the assumptions I'm making, and if anyone has anything to add/alter, please speak up: 1) individual contributors will work on their music on their own and have the ability to burn a disk and mail it to yannick, who will eventually master the final versions onto cd(s) when all submissions are completed 2) if the artists don't have mp3 conversion and/or FTP upload capability, they can mail a cd to someone who can convert it (I can) and upload to a common server, so that everybody can listen and vote (note that the original that goes to yannick is in .wav format for cd mastering; the mp3 is just for web-based review). 2a) I can host the mp3s for list members' review at tadream.net. Artists can contact me off list, starting immediately, to arrange transfer of files, and I will place the links on the Musos page (http://tadream.net/musos/). These can be direct links from tadream.net, or to your own server, but they should be directly to the individual mp3 file itself. Again, this is only mp3s for review; the full-quality versions go to Yannick for mastering. 3) Since we will all be able to review the music before Yannick mastersthe final CD, as a community, we decide about the a)inclusion of tracks b)order of tracks c) artwork of the album - through polls of the members, which we can do right here online, and I can manage this through our list polling tools. Yannick can set a deadline for submissions. Starting right now, artists should begin to respond on-list as to whether or not they will contribute, with an estimated time for completion of their submission so that Yannick can set a reasonable deadline. 4) yannick masters the final versions onto cd(s), distribution is handled through a tree system, and of course, the individual files will still be available on the web. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: yannick.edom@s... [mailto:yannick.edom@s...] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 8:21 AM > To: tangerinedream@egroups.com > Subject: [tangerinedream] Musicain list members CDR project > > > Greetings everyone > > After reading the different posts about the famous CDR > project with musician > list members, i spent a little time for thinking about this. > ... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22882 Re: [tangerinedream] Musicain list members CDR pr katpurz@a... Fri 6/9/2000 2 KB 22900 Re: [tangerinedream] Musicain list members CDR pr Joe Shoults Sun 6/11/2000 3 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Jun 7, 2000 9:37 pm Subject: [tadream] Voxel Ux Hi all, I was just surfing e-bay a minute ago, and I saw something worth mentioning... The eleventh of the twelve 'Voxel Ux' CD-Rs is up for sale, for the bargain price of 7500 (yes, 7500!!!) Dollars. Is this a mistake, or is someone prepared to sell their house and their shirt to get this, admittedly unique, item? I wonder why no-one has bid for it yet... Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22872 Re: Voxel Ux Sean Montgomery Wed 6/7/2000 2 KB 22873 Re: Voxel Ux Hermes Guzman Wed 6/7/2000 3 KB 22874 Re: Voxel Ux Michael A Jean Thu 6/8/2000 3 KB From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Wed Jun 7, 2000 10:38 pm Subject: Lists Musicians CDR. Just to put in my two peneth worth , I think its a great Idea and there is obviously a lot of talent around on the list in one for and another , I think Craig is right in warning against the pit falls , but done properly as I am sure it will be ) should be a great venture . Good Luck to everyone taking part . Best regards ' Orch ' From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Jun 7, 2000 10:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Voxel Ux > The eleventh of the twelve 'Voxel Ux' CD-Rs is up for sale, for the bargain > price of 7500 (yes, 7500!!!) Dollars. That's pretty funny. I wish I had kept the e-mails we all exchanged during that contest, because then I'd know whose segment that is. I don't even have my own disk anymore. I mailed it to Hermes Guzman so he could burn the full 12 minute song. I would caution anyone about buying one of the segments, because they carried no certificate of authenticity. They're just blank cdrs, with the segment number written on them in ink. Anyone could fake one. And why you'd want one of them is beyond me. They were nice mementos for those who participated in the contest, but I can't see why they'd have much value among collectors, especially since the song has been released to the public now. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22873 Re: Voxel Ux Hermes Guzman Wed 6/7/2000 3 KB 22874 Re: Voxel Ux Michael A Jean Thu 6/8/2000 3 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Wed Jun 7, 2000 11:40 pm Subject: Re: Voxel Ux > > The eleventh of the twelve 'Voxel Ux' CD-Rs is up for sale, for the bargain > > price of 7500 (yes, 7500!!!) Dollars. > > That's pretty funny. I wish I had kept the e-mails we all exchanged > during that contest, because then I'd know whose segment that is. I don't > even have my own disk anymore. I mailed it to Hermes Guzman so he could > burn the full 12 minute song. I would caution anyone about buying one of > the segments, because they carried no certificate of authenticity. > They're just blank cdrs, with the segment number written on them in ink. > Anyone could fake one. And why you'd want one of them is beyond me. They > were nice mementos for those who participated in the contest, but I can't > see why they'd have much value among collectors, especially since the song > has been released to the public now. #11 is owned by Michael Jean...and I've been watching that auction since he posted it with more than a little interest.... The disks themselves were stamped with both the number and the band name. They were also all the same brand of CD-R, so if someone wants to go to the trouble to fake one, any one of the finalists would be able to tell you if was genuine. The inserts were also all the same, except for the number. They're easier to dupe.... But I don't think it's worth 7500! Unless it is...:P And you were segment #3, right? I sent out several mails on the old private list regarding these...contact me offlist. goozer (#12) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22874 Re: Voxel Ux Michael A Jean Thu 6/8/2000 3 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu Jun 8, 2000 3:57 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Voxel Ux > > > > > The eleventh of the twelve 'Voxel Ux' CD-Rs is up for sale, for > the bargain > > > price of 7500 (yes, 7500!!!) Dollars. OK I confess!!! But, what can I say? It is an item of sentimental value to me... Without going into a discusion of economics, the true market value of the item is unknown...It could be worth $75 or $75,000. It is worth that much to me right now because that is what I need to pay for an engagement ring... I figured, what the heck... Some people are very wealthy (unlike myself who with a Masters Degree has spent the past 12 years working in social services) and might be willing to pay that for a one of a kind item...Who can tell? If it wasn't for love, I wouldn't have considered selling it at all... Will it sell at that amount? Probably not, but it doesn't hurt to be hopeful. ;^) MJ BTW: I have sold many other hard to find items by TD and other musicians on EBAY in recent months to finance the same purchase. > > why you'd want one of them is beyond > me. They > > were nice mementos for those who participated in the contest, but I > can't > > see why they'd have much value among collectors, especially since > the song > > has been released to the public now. I suppose that may be true...It was a very unique experience...Especially to those of us who actually went to London. (It served as our backstage pass). > > #11 is owned by Michael Jean...and I've been watching that auction > since he posted it with more than a little interest.... > > But I don't think it's worth 7500! Unless it is...:P Ahh, to think like an economist.... > > And you were segment #3, right? I sent out several mails on the old > private list regarding these...contact me offlist. It is too bad the list disbanded once the UWP server shut down...Maybe we should re-establish one at ONELIST...haha NP: Bassomatic (aka William Orbit) SET THE CONTROLS FOR THE HEART OF THE BASS From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Thu Jun 8, 2000 9:54 am Subject: Keep-tack Thanks again for info about The Keep. After having a look at Rainer's page (interesting one by the way) I am satisfied as it helped me to understand what it is that I have in my collection. On the other hand I wonder if I ever will understand this copyrigt thing completely. The Keep was made for a film but TD didn't have the right to release it on cd. The people who did have the right were not interested in releasing it either. And as you said, Morgan, later a limited version appears on concerts (legally it must be kind of a bootleg then in a peculiar way). Even later a Millenium package with more copies of this one. And why add tracks to a soundtrack you don't have the right to release in the first place...? All right, no need to answer this. Just airing my thoughts. I'll probably live longer if I don't bother trying to understand. Have a good day Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22879 Re: Keep-tack Daryoush Tahmasebi Thu 6/8/2000 3 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Jun 8, 2000 11:56 am Subject: chris franke well i just received 'New Music For Films 2' from Sonic Images yesterday and after one listen, i like it quite a bit. it is music from 3 films and 1 tv series. they are: Terror in the Mall Solo Tarzan and the Lost City Pacific Blues it is mostly symphonic orchestral work with a few flashes of Frankes past glory but the music seems well composed and highly listenable. the thing that had me worried before i ordered it is that it had music from 'Pacific Blue' and as anyone knows who has that cd it is one horrible piece of dreck. now the good news. the 3 tracks from 'PB' are NOT on the original cd and they are totally different and much more in Frankes style and probably the 3 most enjoyable tracks on the cd. now i have a complete Franke library except for some of the episodics. so if anyone has set #1, #3, and #4 of the episodics and wants to get rid of them fairly cheaply give me a private email. to finalize, the new Franke is a good cd. don't be afraid to add it to your collection. tom Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Jun 8, 2000 12:50 pm Subject: CD's for sale (off-topic,sorry) Hi Dreamers, I'm selling some of my Compact Discs (all are original CD's, no CD-R's!) All prices are in British Pound Sterling and are without postage (which will be a bit higher because I live in Germany). You can ask me off-list for more details. Each CD is available only once..so don't waste your time ;-) -- Airsculpture: Europa £5 -- Airsculpture: Thunderhead £5 -- Arcane: Future wreck £6 -- Can Attila: Ave £6 -- Between: Dharana £4 -- Rob Essers: A lizards walk £5 -- Foreign Spaces: UFO breakfast £5 -- Foreign Spaces: Being creature £5 -- Foreign Spaces: Dark star £5 -- Foreign Spaces: Phaeton £6 -- Kraftwerk: The mix (German lyrics) £5 -- Kraftwerk: Expo 2000 CD-Single £4 -- Kubusschnitt: The Cube £6 -- Kubusschnitt: The Case (original CDR) £5 -- Nemesis: Sky archeology £6 -- O'Head: Silent universe £5 -- Otarion: Es werde Licht £5 -- Radio Massacre International: Republic £5 -- Redshift: Ether £5 -- Redshift: Downtime £6 -- Steve Roach: Empetus £5 -- Roedelius: Pink, blue and amber (signed!) £7 -- Roedelius: Global Trotters Project Volume 1: Drive £6 -- Syndromeda: Mind trips £6 -- Syndromeda: Circles of life £6 -- Syndromeda: The legacy of god £6 -- Syndromeda: Birth of a black hole £6 -- Synopsis: Surrillion dreams (original CDR) £6 -- Synthetic Block: Synthetic block £5 -- Tonto: Tonto rides again £6 -- Under the Dome: The demon-haunted world £5 -- Various Artists: SpaceTranceTronics Night 1999 £5 -- Various Artists: Gift (Invisible Shadows) Copy 27/500 £5 -- Yamo (Wolfgang Flür, ex-Kraftwerk): Time pie £7 Regards, Heiko Heerssen e-mail: 'heiko.heerssen@h...' From: 'Carl ' Date: Tue Jun 6, 2000 10:32 pm Subject: The return of the ' Orch ' Well folks I am back , just when you thought I was gone for good , no such luck . Looking forward to getting back into it . Glad to see most of the old faces still around. And for the ones who want to know I am about 70% back to my former fitness and am improving all the time . And to start on the right note . I still think Soundmill is -R-P . Best regards to all ' Orch ' Carl - icq 38818818. From: 'Daryoush Tahmasebi' Date: Thu Jun 8, 2000 9:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Keep-tack Är du svensk? och jobbar på SAS? Kul att se att nån svensk gillar electronik musik. Hälsningar Daryoush >From: olle.rundgren@s... >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Keep-tack >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:54:15 +0200 > >Thanks again for info about The Keep. After having a look at Rainer's page >(interesting one by the way) I am satisfied as it helped me to understand >what it is that I have in my collection. > >On the other hand I wonder if I ever will understand this copyrigt thing >completely. The Keep was made for a film but TD didn't have the right to >release it on cd. The people who did have the right were not interested in >releasing it either. And as you said, Morgan, later a limited version >appears on concerts (legally it must be kind of a bootleg then in a >peculiar >way). Even later a Millenium package with more copies of this one. And why >add tracks to a soundtrack you don't have the right to release in the first >place...? > >All right, no need to answer this. Just airing my thoughts. I'll probably >live longer if I don't bother trying to understand. > >Have a good day > >Olle > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Thu Jun 8, 2000 8:43 pm Subject: Horizon (aka Barbakane) Hi I recently purchased the Dream Roots collection & to my frustration the track on disc 3 listed as Horizon is actually another remix of Barbakane. After the mistake with Rubycon on the Tangents set you would think Edgar & co would have learned their lessons. As Horizon is one of my favourite tracks this error slightly spoils what is otherwise an excellent set. But praise where praise is due, I think that Edgar has done an amazing job on the Pink years tracks. Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Jun 9, 2000 2:32 pm Subject: Solo question Hi, I will round this week off with another question but then we have three days off here so You can all relax: What happened with the re-release of Froese's Kamikaze? Enjoy Your weekend Olle To Daryoush: Yes I am Swedish. Since last year I've been in contact with four other Swedes on this list. Don't know if they're all still here. Might be more might be less, but if you stay on you'll see that I'm not the only one who like electronic music in this country. > From: 'Daryoush Tahmasebi' >Är du svensk? och jobbar på SAS? >Kul att se att nån svensk gillar electronik musik. From: katpurz@a... Date: Fri Jun 9, 2000 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [tangerinedream] Musicain list members CDR project I'm just jumping in here with cold feet on the CD-R project...sounds great! And definately count Rubycon in... Joe, where can we upload our NETWORK mp3 for voting? We also have CD-R burning capabilities, mastering, etc...so if we can help out there, we will! I like the 'TREE' approach to distribution...you could also have all the MP3's available on=line, along with JPG's of the covers/inserts etc...so that people with the capabilities can print it themselves with no generation loss (of cover)... Also, how many tracks do you think there'll be (just in estimation)...? Sounds great! Patrick Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22900 Re: [tangerinedream] Musicain list members CDR pr Joe Shoults Sun 6/11/2000 3 KB From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Fri Jun 9, 2000 10:48 pm Subject: sounds like Statosfear? Hi All Why is it that some people seem to think that the 'Encore' CD is just a live version of 'Stratosfear'? When I listen to it I hear more 'Sorcerer' than 'Stratosfear'. Derek (np Monolight) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Michael Jean Date: Fri Jun 9, 2000 10:50 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze fans only If anyone has been looking for the Magnum America Versions of Klaus CDs let me know. A shop across the street is having a sale with VERY good prices (5.00 each or 5 for 20.00) plus tax on several titles (including the 2 CD X). Multiple copies are available and include BODY LOVE, DIGIT, TRANCEFER, X, DREAMS, BEYOND RECALL, and PICTURE MUSIC. Shipping in the US would be 2.25 for a single CD or 5.00 for 5 at a time. Overseas air would be about 4.00 per CD. There would also be a modest service charge. Prepayment would be required. If anyone is interested contact me off list. Of if you are really excited about this you can call me at work this evening. I know it is a Friday night but I will be working a little bit longer. 312-986-4484 (Chicago). MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22886 Re: Klaus Schulze fans only Vic Rek Fri 6/9/2000 3 KB 22909 Re: Klaus Schulze fans only Michael A Jean Tue 6/13/2000 4 KB 22887 Re: Klaus Schulze fans only Vic Rek Fri 6/9/2000 2 KB 23044 Re: Klaus Schulze fans only Winston Edmond Sun 6/25/2000 2 KB 23052 Re: Klaus Schulze fans only Frank Arellano Sun 6/25/2000 3 KB From: 'Daryoush Tahmasebi' Date: Sat Jun 10, 2000 6:28 am Subject: Hej. Undrar om nån av herskapet TD eller klaus schulze kommer att ha nån konsert i Sverige denna sommar eller framöver? Vet du nåt om det? Jag har lyssnat till de sen 1975 men aldrig varit på nåt live. Kul att träffas på nätet. Daryoush >From: olle.rundgren@s... >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Solo question >Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:32:14 +0200 > > >Hi, > >I will round this week off with another question but then we have three >days >off here so You can all relax: >What happened with the re-release of Froese's Kamikaze? > >Enjoy Your weekend > >Olle > > >To Daryoush: > >Yes I am Swedish. Since last year I've been in contact with four other >Swedes on this list. Don't know if they're all still here. Might be more >might be less, but if you stay on you'll see that I'm not the only one who >like electronic music in this country. > > > > From: 'Daryoush Tahmasebi' > >Är du svensk? och jobbar på SAS? > > >Kul att se att nån svensk gillar electronik musik. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Vic Rek Date: Fri Jun 9, 2000 11:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze fans only Hi Michael! Count me in for all 7 - plus some extras so we can round it off to the nearest 10. When are you buying the ring? Has the Voxel Ux auction ended yet ;-) Vic Michael Jean wrote: > > If anyone has been looking for the Magnum America Versions of Klaus CDs let me know. A shop across the street is having a sale with VERY good prices (5.00 each or 5 for 20.00) plus tax on several titles (including the 2 CD X). Multiple copies are available and include BODY LOVE, DIGIT, TRANCEFER, X, DREAMS, BEYOND RECALL, and PICTURE MUSIC. > > Shipping in the US would be 2.25 for a single CD or 5.00 for 5 at a time. Overseas air would be about 4.00 per CD. There would also be a modest service charge. Prepayment would be required. If anyone is interested contact me off list. Of if you are really excited about this you can call me at work this evening. I know it is a Friday night but I will be working a little bit longer. 312-986-4484 (Chicago). > > MJ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > How about a flat, no-fee long distance rate of 6.7¢ per min. - > or less? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you rates which > fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! > http://click.egroups.com/1/3820/5/_/24785/_/960591031/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22909 Re: Klaus Schulze fans only Michael A Jean Tue 6/13/2000 4 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Fri Jun 9, 2000 11:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze fans only Sorry - at least once a year a mind-cramp sets in, and personal info is posted to the public. I think I'll go have some Sushi now and think it over. Sorry MJ :-) VR > Hi Michael! > Count me in for all 7 - plus some extras so we can round it off to the > nearest 10. > When are you buying the ring? Has the Voxel Ux auction ended yet ;-) > Vic From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Fri Jun 9, 2000 11:40 pm Subject: Collective Noun . Hi Guys just a light hearted one for the weekend , a couple of friends and I were this evening discussing collective nouns , you know the sort of thing , a murder of crows , a school of whales, a flock of birds . Then there were the silly ones , a hooligan of football supporters a beating of police officers , so on and so forth . So my question --what would you call a group of TD fans ? I'll start the ball rolling with a Moog of TDers . Regards ' Orch ' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22891 Re: Collective Noun . Synthhtnys@a... Sat 6/10/2000 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sat Jun 10, 2000 12:42 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] Collective Noun . What about a Dream of fans =) Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22892 Re: Sv: [tadream] Collective Noun . Grant M Somerville Sun 6/11/2000 2 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Jun 10, 2000 8:34 am Subject: Discussion Week 39 - Sunday 11th June 2000 This week brings us to the live album 220 Volt. Please make your subject read 'D:Live [220 Volt]' when posting comments or reviews. There hasn't been a great deal said about the last few albums, which is a little surprising because the likes of Melrose and Rockoon are cited by many as a turning point in TD's career... Lawry NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Jun 10, 2000 8:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Collective Noun . << So my question --what would you call a group of TD fans ? I'll start the ball rolling with a Moog of TDers . Regards ' Orch ' >> * This one has been tackled on Beyond_em mailing list... It's: an Anorak of TD fans... Poly From: Grant M Somerville Date: Sun Jun 11, 2000 12:28 am Subject: Re: Sv: [tadream] Collective Noun . Pergamon wrote: > What about a Dream of fans =) > > Jan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ What about an 'Exit' of fans. er...maybe not. ; ) Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Andrew J. Rózsa' Date: Sun Jun 11, 2000 8:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Groove's Auction! In case not all of you get mail from Groove and if has not been already posted (don't read the mail here very carefully) Groove (Netherlands) has an unusually rich (recently acquired) collection of TD albums up for auction. The 320+ items should be of interest to those who want to complete their collection of commercial albums and some rare items (mostly from Japan). The bid amounts so far are quite fair. Auction ends on June 15. http://www.groove.nl/auction.html Good hunting! Andrew From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun Jun 11, 2000 10:23 am Subject: Messages Hi I had to clear all my mail between Wedenesday and Sunday due to problems. Has anything interesting been happening during that time. Don't tell me.... the band is touring and I missed the tickets....just joking. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Jun 11, 2000 11:56 am Subject: D:Live [220Volt] I always look forward to a live relaese of original music and at least this turned out to be a lot better than Rockoon,the guitar leads worked much better and the tracks are more consistent. The cd starts off strongly the first four tracks are a blend of good sequences and great guitars my two favourite tracks are Sundance Kid and the superb Backsteet Hero the cd fades a bit towards the end despite the Purple Haze encore. To sum up although not my favourite period of releases by far this was not a bad effort compared to the last and next releases. Cheers Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22897 D:Live [220Volt] Greg Sun 6/11/2000 3 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Jun 11, 2000 12:03 pm Subject: Jodrell Bank Report 10/06/2000 Well, looks like I didn't manage to keep my record of being the first to post a report! (I reckon I can still boast to be first with the pics though! *8-) ) I've not got any albums by K&S, just the odd track on the odd sampler, but I did see them live at Alfa Centauri a couple of years ago. A concert I thoroughly enjoyed. Now whilst I have liked most of what I heard, I've never been driven to sample their work more fully. Maybe that will change now, because I really enjoyed the concert. These two guys, for those that have never seen them, are two of the most laid back guys you'll ever see playing live. You get the impression that for them, it's just a bit of fun, and it's like they are performing to their friends. No signs of nerves or tension, and 'bum notes? So what - let's have a blast'. Their obvious enjoyment at playing live is infectious. Indeed, I can't imagine that there was much remuneration for them playing at JB, given that the venue was less than half full (I thought the crowd number of 60 by Steven Humphries was a bit high, but then I didn't count them). The attendance was the only disappointing thing about last night (maybe apart from the lack of some of our other chums). I think if JB would have stayed open all night, K&S would not have left the stage. Images of Ken Dodd sprung to mind (apologies to readers that know nothing of the Knotty Ash Knobhead). At the end of the set they did an encore which was pretty much a request from the audience... we were asked if we wanted a fast one or a slow one. I think it was a completely unanimous 'fast one'. After that, Dave Law came down and thanked the band for playing etc, but it seemed clear that K&S fancied giving us a bit more. Dave suggested that they had another 10-15 minutes before we would all be kicked out, so they set about with a 2nd encore. Well, I think this must have lasted about 20 minutes. Dave looked a bit panicked when they finished because of the time we were running to. Well, as Dave was giving his 'thanks for coming speech' K&S came back out and started tinkering on their boards (an amusing scene). Dave suggested that we had no time left and that we should all go home, but K&S didn't quite seem to understand what he was saying so they just ignored him and embarked on a third encore which must have been another 10 minutes or so! Good value anyway. Okay, so I've started at the end of the show and worked backwards, but what the hell! The show started with about 20 minutes of slow spacey stuff, which as you all probably know by now, is not really my thing. I one for rhythmic and driving sequences. However, watching this sort of stuff played live, especially in a setting like the Jodrell Bank Planetarium, along with the starfield projection and light show is a completely different kettle of fish than listening to a CD. I could not listen to this at home under any circumstances, and yet, I quite enjoyed even the slowest, swirliest bits... at the very start, Detlef got on the JB piano in near pitch blackness, I could see him struggling to find his starting place on the keyboard. When he did start though, he was flawless despite the lack of light (a bit like Stevie Wonder!), and the piece he played I found quite beautiful. The first set was (according to Mario) a selection from Loops, More Loops, then Concerts. He didn't say what the second set was, but I would like to find out as I preferred much of the second set. Maybe someone can tell me what that was? The biggest downer of the night was that I was paged to go into work for midnight, so I had to leg it at the end and couldn't hang around for a chat. *8-( Pictures can be found at http://www.thisolehouse.freeserve.co.uk/jb1006 The whole page loads in one go and it's very basic, nothing fancy. Warning, the whole page is 1 MB. (At least 800 x 600 if possible... there are a couple of wide photos...) For those of you that missed the last lot of photo's (Paul Nagle / Arcane) they are at http://www.thisolehouse.freeserve.co.uk/jb2204 All the best, Lawry PS - Apologies for the crosspost (off-topic for Tadream - but hey, what the hell.... they're German EM stars!) NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22901 Re: Jodrell Bank Report 10/06/2000 Carl Kearney Sun 6/11/2000 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Sun Jun 11, 2000 12:53 pm Subject: [tadream] D:Live [220Volt] I know many people praise this album, but I don't in any way. For me, this album epitomizes the generic use of keyboard presets and the absolute lack of having true variety between tracks. Now I'll save my real awful rant for Quinoa, but the same applies here. First of all, Rockoon started the trend that is worse than the harpsichord preset, and this is what I call the 'Spanish Love cha cha cha.' If you notice (because the mind filters it out eventually) that there's a singular ch ch ch ch percussion used a lot. It's like a high sequencer note that never changes, and while I'm on sequencers... when did they become so whimpy? I can understand that some sound quality loss occurs in a live recording, but in 220 Volt, there's such a dismal range of frequency. Some areas are helped with deep low bass, but other then that, it seems incredibly artificial. All the Virgin years albums had so much life. 220 Volt is like the Anti-White Eagle album. Although there are bright spots like Backstreet Hero and the incredible guitar on Hamlet, but these tracks suffer in their choice of media -- the colors and textures of sound used at this time sound too tinny. Another thing that crops up along with Rockoon is the consistent use of the high bright vocal and string patches. First the tinny sequencer pit-patting, then the Spanish Love cha cha cha, then the uninspired 'I have 5 drum samples' rumming, the high bright Backstreet Boy clap and finger snap in the bottom of a wet cave sound, plus the harpsichord and tinny piano and that string and vocal stuff... all layered quite nicely. I can never say the compositions are bad, just not as exciting as they could be. I'm not alone in this thinking as I think TD did the Dream Mixes for a similar reason as well. So I'm being really harsh on 220 Volt, but really after Quinoa, everything got much much better IMO. Greg H. NP: Alchemy of the Heart (Now that sounds like a piano!) From: Sean Harvey Date: Sun Jun 11, 2000 5:38 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Top ten TD albums wanted for radio show! Well, here's my kick at the can 1. Pergamon 2. Tangram 3. Livemiles 4. Melrose 5. Ricochet 6. Rubycon 7. Tangents Disc 5 8. Canyon Dreams 9. Thief A. Force Majeure From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sat Jun 10, 2000 6:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] E-MAIL LAG AND DOUBLING ON THIS LIST! I manage several active lists at egroups, and yes, there have been various delivery problems lately on a few, but not all of them. The problems range from incorrect error messages to delays. I have been in contact with egroups about this and of course they are working on it; ironically, it could be the fact that they are working on it that is causing the glitches! If anyone has any life-or-death messages that just MUST absolutely get to the list immediately or tragedy or loss of life or limb may occur, you know that you can always cc us moderators at tadream-owner@e... Joking aside, please keep me informed of glitches like this. Thnaks, Joe > -----Original Message----- > ....but the yahoo > >mail has been funny... ... > Either there is a glitch in the e-mail server software which is From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sat Jun 10, 2000 7:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: [tangerinedream] Musicain list members CDR project > -----Original Message----- > From: katpurz@a... [mailto:katpurz@a...] ... > I'm just jumping in here with cold feet on the CD-R project...sounds > great! And definately count Rubycon in... Great! We're in the process of making an online sign-up form (http://www.tadream.net/musos/tmp.htm), which will include a place to put your link to your work, if you already have it available for download on the web. For reference, I'm calling it the Tadream Musos Project, but if anyone wants to call it something else, let speak up. Any feedback is welcome, especially on the abovementioned form. > Joe, where can we upload our NETWORK mp3 for voting? Since you already have it on the web, we will just link to it. > We also have CD-R burning capabilities, mastering, etc...so if we can > help out there, we will! Contact Yannick on this. > I like the 'TREE' approach to distribution...you could also have all > the MP3's available on=line, along with JPG's of the covers/inserts > etc...so that people with the capabilities can print it themselves > with no generation loss (of cover)... that's the idea. all submissions for the artwork and the music will be on the web, but the original-quality source goes to Yannick for final CD mastering. We will provide more info on standards, i.e. specific dimensions and color depth of CD artwork/liner notes and such (bitrate for mp3 review- I suggest 128kb) soon. There is no reason this CD can't have an accompanying booklet, with each artist providing an optional profile of themselves for inclusion. > Also, how many tracks do you think there'll be (just in > estimation)...? Good question. Judging from the number of musicians we have here, it might be more of a 'how many disks there'll be', not how many tracks... We'll just have to see who all jumps in. Joe From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Sun Jun 11, 2000 9:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Jodrell Bank Report 10/06/2000 ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Lawry Simm' To: Cc: 'Tadream Mailing List' Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 1:03 PM Subject: [tadream] Jodrell Bank Report 10/06/2000 > Well, looks like I didn't manage to keep my record of being the first > to post a report! (I reckon I can still boast to be first with the > pics though! *8-) ) > Well first again Lawry , sounded like a great night , I have yet to see what Warp Drive system you have in your car . Thanks for a very informative report , I actually am very pissed now I missed it . Ah well maybe next year . For those on the list who live in the UK and have not yet made it to Jodrell you should definitely make the effort some time its well worth a visit and you get to see the exhibitions free of charge , as well as watching some of the best EM talent around at the moment . Long live Live Music , Carl ' Orch ' From: 'Jared White' Date: Mon Jun 12, 2000 5:21 am Subject: D:Studio [220 Volt] -- sorta Hi, folks, 220 Volt is an album which leaves me with mixed feelings. On the one hand, I really enjoy many of the pieces on it, and parts of it truly seem to capture the legendary brilliance of a live Tangerine Dream. On the other hand, it's certainly not their best live album, nor do I enjoy the music overall as much as I do Rockoon! Why? I feel Rockoon is tighter, sports a more cohesive vision, and is generally more powerful in its musical statements. I basically think 220 Volt is 'nice', but it's nothing special. Thankfully, TD grew tremendously after 220 Volt, and by Turn of the Tides, they were definitely a force to be reckoned with. I simply can't heap enough praise upon Turn of the Tides. I can hardly wait until it's time to discuss it. It was the first TD album I got that immediately left me paralyzed on my bed with my jaw lying about somewhere in the next room. I'll never get sick of Turn of the Tides. I've listened to it so many times I've totally lost count, and I no doubt will listen to it countless more times. Oh, wait, I forgot I'm supposed to be talking about 220 Volt -- sorry, got a bit carried away there. :) Take care, and see you all next time when it's time to discuss -- ta da da dum da dum -- Turn of the Tides! Regards, Jared From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Mon Jun 12, 2000 10:44 am Subject: Sv: Sv: [tadream] Collective Noun . Dream of Fans sounds good to me :o) Poul > Pergamon wrote: What about a Dream of fans =) Jan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ What about an 'Exit' of fans. er...maybe not. ; ) Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Mon Jun 12, 2000 11:31 am Subject: Out of curiosity Just out of curiosity - how many TaDream fans on this list listen to early Steve Hillage albums? ============== Simon Slator Website: http://pages.zoom.co.uk/simon.slator Download my own music at: http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22905 Re: Out of curiosity Michael A Jean Mon 6/12/2000 3 KB 22906 Re: Out of curiosity Carl Kearney Mon 6/12/2000 2 KB 22910 Re: Out of curiosity David Foster Tue 6/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Jun 12, 2000 12:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Out of curiosity I have several in my LP collection....CAn't say that I listen to them much anymore though. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Slator [mailto:in6471@w...] > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 6:31 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Out of curiosity > > > Just out of curiosity - how many TaDream fans on this list listen > to early Steve Hillage albums? > > ============== > Simon Slator > Website: http://pages.zoom.co.uk/simon.slator > Download my own music at: http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Great savings and lots more -- beMANY! > http://click.egroups.com/1/4114/5/_/24785/_/960809268/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Mon Jun 12, 2000 5:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Out of curiosity ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Simon Slator' To: Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 12:31 PM Subject: [tadream] Out of curiosity > Just out of curiosity - how many TaDream fans on this list listen to early Steve Hillage albums? Steve Hillage , now thanks for reminding about the half dozen albums I have burried away some where . I will dig them out post haste , havent listened to them in years . Chears Carl ' Orch ' From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Mon Jun 12, 2000 10:55 pm Subject: Movie sound track ? Hi folks , just a quick one . I watched the movie Event Horizon here on TV tonight and noticed that most of the music was done by Orbital & The Prodigy, does anyone know if there is a sound track album ? Sorry for the off topic subject. Regards ' Orch ' - Carl ' Is there anybody out there ' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22914 Re: Movie sound track ? Kees Tue 6/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Mon Jun 12, 2000 10:59 pm Subject: Event Horizon Hi Yes I have definitely seen a soundtrack album for this movie....no more details though sorry ! ATB Phil From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Jun 13, 2000 3:34 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Klaus Schulze fans only VIc, I picked up all of them except BEYOND RECALL because that wasn't MAGUM AMERICA.. IT is tsill there thogh if you want it. A couple other people wanted X so I used up some spaces with that for now. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Vic Rek [mailto:torque19@i...] > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 6:38 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze fans only > > > Hi Michael! > Count me in for all 7 - plus some extras so we can round it off to the > nearest 10. > When are you buying the ring? Has the Voxel Ux auction ended yet ;-) > Vic > > Michael Jean wrote: > > > > If anyone has been looking for the Magnum America Versions of > Klaus CDs let me know. A shop across the street is having a sale > with VERY good prices (5.00 each or 5 for 20.00) plus tax on > several titles (including the 2 CD X). Multiple copies are > available and include BODY LOVE, DIGIT, TRANCEFER, X, DREAMS, > BEYOND RECALL, and PICTURE MUSIC. > > > > Shipping in the US would be 2.25 for a single CD or 5.00 for 5 > at a time. Overseas air would be about 4.00 per CD. There would > also be a modest service charge. Prepayment would be required. If > anyone is interested contact me off list. Of if you are really > excited about this you can call me at work this evening. I know > it is a Friday night but I will be working a little bit longer. > 312-986-4484 (Chicago). > > > > MJ > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > How about a flat, no-fee long distance rate of 6.7¢ per min. - > > or less? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you rates which > > fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! > > http://click.egroups.com/1/3820/5/_/24785/_/960591031/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. > http://click.egroups.com/1/5108/5/_/24785/_/960593632/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Jun 13, 2000 4:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Out of curiosity Simon Slator says ' Just out of curiosity - how many TaDream fans on this list listen to early Steve Hillage albums?' Well I was playing Rainbow Dome Music and Live the other day. I remember seeing him in 1979 and talking to him about playing on Nik Turner's Xitin to Day album. David From: 'colin anderson' Date: Tue Jun 13, 2000 9:30 am Subject: Puzzled G'day One of my mates has just emailed me with this message: 'I was just having a look around the record shop at lunchtime today & I noticed in their bargain bin, a Tangerine Dream album. It has a picture of a large fabric cube with a woman inside (!!!) on the cover' I'm stumped with what album this is likely to be. Anyone any suggestions? Trouble is, I've got a feeling it's something obvious.... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22912 Re: Puzzled craig.cordrey@g... Tue 6/13/2000 3 KB 22913 Re: Puzzled j.gordon Tue 6/13/2000 2 KB 22923 Re: Puzzled Szatmari, Pal Tue 6/13/2000 2 KB 22924 Re: Puzzled Carl Kearney Tue 6/13/2000 2 KB 22927 Re: Puzzled craig.cordrey@g... Wed 6/14/2000 3 KB 22947 Re: Puzzled Carl Kearney Wed 6/14/2000 2 KB From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Tue Jun 13, 2000 10:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Puzzled >'I was just having a look around the record shop at lunchtime today & >I noticed in their bargain bin, a Tangerine Dream album. It has a >picture of a large fabric cube with a woman inside (!!!) on the cover' Sounds like the second Disky Tangerine Dream compilation. NP : Autonomic - Dub Automica -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Jun 13, 2000 10:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Puzzled > >'I was just having a look around the record shop at lunchtime today & > >I noticed in their bargain bin, a Tangerine Dream album. It has a > >picture of a large fabric cube with a woman inside (!!!) on the cover' > > Sounds like the second Disky Tangerine Dream compilation. it is... i've got it... j.gordon np: robert schröder - the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From: Kees Date: Tue Jun 13, 2000 11:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Movie sound track ? At 23:55 12-6-00 +0100, you wrote: >Hi folks , just a quick one . >I watched the movie Event Horizon here on TV tonight and noticed that most >of the music was done by Orbital & The Prodigy, does anyone know if there is >a sound track album ? It's on Polygram. I can't check at the moment if we have it in stock. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Tue Jun 13, 2000 12:12 pm Subject: Re: D:Live [220 Volt] As I've already mentioned, after the Rockoon disaster I stopped buying TD until after the UK Tour 1997. I picked up a used copy of 220 Volt cheap from a member of the old Tadream list. I would say that a lot of the tracks are a little 'cheesy' but the overall impression is pleasant enough. One track stands out: 'Sundance Kid'. One of my 90's favourites, plus the one before that (the name escapes me at the moment). But I HATE THAT SAX! Not one of their best but let's face it there is a lot of competition from their back catalogue. I'm glad I bought it though. One of the few 90's TD albums I own. Cheers, Steve in Nottingham, UK - -- Home: steve@y... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22916 D:Live [220 Volt] Heiko Heerssen Tue 6/13/2000 2 KB 22917 D:Live [220 Volt] j.gordon Tue 6/13/2000 2 KB 22918 Re: D:Live [220 Volt] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Vill Tue 6/13/2000 2 KB 22931 D:Live [220 Volt] Armin Theissen Wed 6/14/2000 1 KB 22933 Re: D:Live [220 Volt] Steve Wed 6/14/2000 2 KB 22932 Re: D:Live [220 Volt] Synthhtnys@a... Wed 6/14/2000 1 KB 22936 D:Live [220 Volt] Armin Theissen Wed 6/14/2000 3 KB 22939 D:Live [220 Volt] Marcel Engels Wed 6/14/2000 2 KB 22942 Re: D:Live [220 Volt] Daryoush Tahmasebi Wed 6/14/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jun 13, 2000 12:47 pm Subject: D:Live [220 Volt] I don't like '220 Volt live' that much, it all sounds too sterile. But I just love the whole concert as it was actually played on TD's North American tour in late 1992! I guess that due to contractional/legal reasons they had to leave out the tracks from older albums like 'Love on a real train', 'Story of the brave' or stuff from Melrose and Rockoon. They played two long sets which lasted for approx. 100 minutes, plus some encores (like 'Purple haze' with Daffy Duck!) Great stuff, but '220 Volt live' doesn't capture the 'live feeling' at all (especially the American audiences can get quite wild sometimes ;-) Heiko n.p.: Klaus Schulze -Next of Kin: Montclare From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Jun 13, 2000 12:48 pm Subject: [tadream] D:Live [220 Volt] > Great stuff, but '220 Volt live' doesn't capture the 'live feeling' at > all (especially the American audiences can get quite wild sometimes ;-) > > Heiko this sums it up for me as well... i saw them at the warfield in san francisco on this tour... we had a table that was two feet from the stage... linda was right in front of us... now, personally, i really like the sax stuff... but the concert was so overwhelming with what they played and the feel that it had that the album is a shadow... however, sundance kid does stand out as well as blue bridge, because, as the ad says 'more cheese, please...' :) j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22918 Re: D:Live [220 Volt] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Vill Tue 6/13/2000 2 KB From: Christian Villazón Date: Tue Jun 13, 2000 1:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Live [220 Volt] Hello, This album was my first concert from TD, in my opinion, 220 Volt is great. The sax and percussion is excellent in my personal opinion. I really like the tracks Two Bunch Palms, 220 Volts, Backstreet Hero where Jerome plays his Ibanez in a way that is good for me and Hamlet where Edgar plays the guitar. The video from this concert is good but inconsistent with the tracks in the album, but the images from the 70's and 80's are excellent. Greetings Christian Villazón From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Tue Jun 13, 2000 4:03 pm Subject: D: Live [220 Volt] Hello there, Defnitely one of TD's all-time nadirs. The title reminds me of the kind of titles that live heavy metal albums used to have back in the days of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal in the early 80s. (You can almost imagine Edgar grabbing a microphone and shouting 'WHOOARRGGHHH! IS IT LOUD ENOUGH FOR YA? YOU KNOW THERE'S 220 VOLTS HERE, DON'T YA?') Continuing the theme, the band decides to adopt a 'Let's play at being Guns 'n' Roses' image, with leather jackets, ripped jeans and prominently-displayed Marshall amps. All very perplexing and, frankly, risible. If Chris Franke saw _Three Phase_ at the time I bet it was with poppy-eyed astonishment and profound relief that he got out when he did. On to the music: most of these tracks have no shape! They consist basically of sax and guitar solos: 'Oriental Haze' - a sax solo. 'Two Bunch Palms' - a guitar solo '220 Volt' - at last! A melody of sorts. 'Homeless' - a guitar solo (Why the excerpt from 'Silent Night' in the bridge passage between this and the previous one?) 'Treasure of Innocence' - a rework of the middle section of 'Big City Dwarves', featuring that 12-string-guitar-that-sounds-like-a-hammered- dulcimer sound. 'Sundance Kid' - I like it! Sounds like it belongs on _Livemiles_. 'Backstreet Hero' - Another guitar solo with the same chords going round and round and round 'The Blue Bridge' - Another sax solo 'Hamlet' - Another guitar solo 'Dreamtime' - radio 2 easy listening (has James Last covered this yet?) 'Purple Haze' - Goes with the ripped jeans and Marshall amps, I suppose. Of course, the sour tone of this is in no way influenced by England squandering a two-goal lead... Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22926 Re: D: Live [220 Volt] Heiko Heerssen Wed 6/14/2000 2 KB 22994 Re: D: Live [220 Volt] jjoy Mon 6/19/2000 2 KB From: Roger Hartopp Date: Tue Jun 13, 2000 7:42 pm Subject: First TD Top Ten radio show is a week on Friday Hello everyone! Just to remind you all that the first of the Tangerine Dream programmes starts a week on Friday (23 June) on Radio Rak in Poland. It commences from 10.00pm until 11.00pm European time, and is also broadcast on the World Wide Web on http://ituner.com/rak/rakaudio.html ...in English, of course. This show is the 'tester' so to speak for the big three hour show being broadcast a week later. 'Astral Voyager' is featuring the Top Ten soundtrack albums by the band, so if you'd like to vote, then... well, post them on list. Please choose albums that are or have been 'officially' available, i.e. having been made available for sale to the general public (yes, I know, when you can find the CD's, of course!) I've already had votes from the following: Jan (Pergamon), Poul Erik, Chris Chouinard, and Bag. Other lists posted haven't been suitable because they've been brief or in 'random' order. My top ten are the following: 1. Oasis; 2. What A Blast; 3. Thief; 4. Canyon Dreams; 5. Deadly Care; 6. Miracle Mile; 7. The Park is Mine; 8. Legend; 9. Dead Solid Perfect; 10. Firestarter. Controversial, perhaps? Incidentally, to add to the Steve Hillage subject, an old Book titled 'The Guinness Book of Recorded Sound' listed Steve Hillage's 'Rainbow Dome Music' as the first album to be pressed in clear vinyl... I assume most remember 'Force Majeure' beating Steve to that accolade... Roger Hartopp ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22921 Re: First TD Top Ten radio show is a week on Frid Sean Montgomery Tue 6/13/2000 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Jun 13, 2000 8:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] First TD Top Ten radio show is a week on Friday > My top ten are the following: > 1. Oasis; 2. What A Blast; 3. Thief; 4. Canyon Dreams; > 5. Deadly Care; 6. Miracle Mile; 7. The Park is Mine; > 8. Legend; 9. Dead Solid Perfect; 10. Firestarter. Dead Solid Perfect?? DEADLY CARE??? Well, I would certainly call those picks 'controversial'. I agree with the others though. Here's my top 10: 1. Canyon Dreams 2. Thief 3. Miracle Mile 4. Oasis 5. Firestarter 6. Legend 7. Risky Business (Yeah, it's mostly stuff from Force Majeure and Exit, but the new tracks compensate for it) 8. What a Blast 9. Sorcerer 10.The Keep SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Jun 13, 2000 8:31 pm Subject: Top 10 soundtracks Ask me tomorrow, and my list will be different, except perhaps number 1, 2 and 3 1. Thief 2. Miracle Mile 3. The Keep 4. Flashpoint 5. Legend 6. Wavelength 7. Heartbreakers 8. Firestarter 9. Sorcerer 10. Destination Berlin Regards, Antonio Nunes From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Tue Jun 13, 2000 8:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Puzzled >>'I was just having a look around the record shop at lunchtime today & >>I noticed in their bargain bin, a Tangerine Dream album. It has a >>picture of a large fabric cube with a woman inside (!!!) on the cover' >Sounds like the second Disky Tangerine Dream compilation. I have seen it in shops here with very reasonable pricing. It contains tracks from Thief, Exit and Encore. From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Tue Jun 13, 2000 10:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Puzzled ' Is there anybody out there ' ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Puzzled > >'I was just having a look around the record shop at lunchtime today Sounds like the second Disky Tangerine Dream compilation. > Craig ! it was a TD album and you didnt buy it ???? Regards Carl . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22927 Re: Puzzled craig.cordrey@g... Wed 6/14/2000 3 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 2:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Top ten soundtrack list OK, here's a second attempt, with more thought put into it this time. 1) Firestarter (it's my favourite, really!) 2) Thief 3) Great Wall of China 4) Sorcerer 5) L'Affaire Wallraff (The Man Inside) 6) Flashpoint 7) Miracle Mile 8) What A Blast 9) Transsiberia 10) The Park Is Mine cheers, Gabe From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 6:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Live [220 Volt] Glynn Naughton wrote: > Of course, the sour tone of this is in no way influenced by England > squandering a two-goal lead... > > Glynn LOL! (Laughing out loud) This may be Glynn's last review for the Tadream list, given the fact that they will also lose again this Saturday against our 'glorious' German team ;-))))))) Heiko From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 8:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Puzzled Hi Carl, >> >'I was just having a look around the record shop at lunchtime today >Sounds like the second Disky Tangerine Dream compilation. >> >Craig ! it was a TD album and you didnt buy it ???? > >Regards Carl . It wasn't me saying they'd seen it - I just told them what it was. As it happens, despite my rule that I don't buy compilations, I _do_ have this one (and a few others) because it was cheap, there was nothing else around at the time and I had money burning a hole in my pocket. Wish I had that money now! 8-)) -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 8:15 am Subject: OT: Euro 2000 List Members The current Euro 2000 Football Championships pulls together 16 teams for a World Cup-style competition. Of the 16 countries present, we have qute a good coverage of associated list members. Any other countries covered? 1. Belgium : Tom Coppens 2. Czech Republik 3. Denmark 4. England : Carl Kearney (+ many others) 5. France : Yannick Edom 6. Germany : Heiko Heerssen (+ many others) 7. Holland : Marcel Engels 8. Italy 9. Norway 10. Portugal : Antonio Nunes 11. Romania 12. Slovenia 13. Spain : Jupe (still here?) 14. Sweden : Olle ? (+ others) 15. Turkey 16. Yugoslavia -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22934 Re: OT: Euro 2000 List Members Radu Velicescu Wed 6/14/2000 2 KB 22938 Re: OT: Euro 2000 List Members Jorge Figueiredo Wed 6/14/2000 2 KB 22951 Re: OT: Euro 2000 List Members craig.cordrey@g... Thu 6/15/2000 3 KB 22941 Re: OT: Euro 2000 List Members Geir Smedsrud Wed 6/14/2000 2 KB 22961 OT: Euro 2000 List Members horrod6 Thu 6/15/2000 2 KB 22964 Re: OT: Euro 2000 List Members jupe Thu 6/15/2000 4 KB 22966 Re: OT: Euro 2000 List Members Carl Kearney Thu 6/15/2000 3 KB From: 'colin anderson' Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 8:55 am Subject: Craig Cordrey Craig, could you email me off-list? colin_anderson@e... cheers mate From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 9:54 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] OT: Euro 2000 List Members Hey, you can put me in for Denmark, - leaving tomorrow for the HollandGame. And Jan is danish too, but he has no interest in footie whatsoever........... Poul The current Euro 2000 Football Championships pulls together 16 teams for a World Cup-style competition. Of the 16 countries present, we have qute a good coverage of associated list members. Any other countries covered? 1. Belgium : Tom Coppens 2. Czech Republik 3. Denmark 4. England : Carl Kearney (+ many others) 5. France : Yannick Edom 6. Germany : Heiko Heerssen (+ many others) 7. Holland : Marcel Engels 8. Italy 9. Norway 10. Portugal : Antonio Nunes 11. Romania 12. Slovenia 13. Spain : Jupe (still here?) 14. Sweden : Olle ? (+ others) 15. Turkey 16. Yugoslavia Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22940 Sv: [tadream] OT: Euro 2000 List Members Pergamon Wed 6/14/2000 2 KB 22970 Sv: [tadream] OT: Euro 2000 List Members Poul Erik Sat 6/17/2000 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 11:39 am Subject: D:Live [220 Volt] odd... its live in the US, but don't they've got only 110 volts there??? armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22933 Re: D:Live [220 Volt] Steve Wed 6/14/2000 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 11:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [220 Volt] << odd... its live in the US, but don't they've got only 110 volts there??? armin >> * True, but Spinal Tap could turn Their amps up to 11... Poly From: 'Steve' Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 12:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Live [220 Volt] Armin said: > odd... its live in the US, but don't they've got only 110 volts there??? Perhaps it's because they thought the album was twice what it actually is? Steve Graphics: http://www.beartrap.dircon.co.uk/bryce/ Vote for Zeus: http://beardog1.pages.petsmart.com/index.html From: Radu Velicescu Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 12:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Euro 2000 List Members Well, since we're already way off topic put me down for Romania. Germany was lucky to have escaped with a draw! ;-) Radu > The current Euro 2000 Football Championships pulls together 16 teams for a > World Cup-style competition. Of the 16 countries present, we have qute a good > coverage of associated list members. Any other countries covered? > > 1. Belgium : Tom Coppens > 2. Czech Republik > 3. Denmark > 4. England : Carl Kearney (+ many others) > 5. France : Yannick Edom > 6. Germany : Heiko Heerssen (+ many others) > 7. Holland : Marcel Engels > 8. Italy > 9. Norway > 10. Portugal : Antonio Nunes > 11. Romania > 12. Slovenia > 13. Spain : Jupe (still here?) > 14. Sweden : Olle ? (+ others) > 15. Turkey > 16. Yugoslavia From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 2:10 pm Subject: 220Volts 220 VOlts is one of my faves of the 90s, and I like a fair amount from the 90s. This album has some excellent sequencing, and the solos are very melodic (except Hamlet). I personally liked the sax as a phase for TD, part of evolving. I'm glad they don't still have it now, but it was good for a while. This album rocks, and it's a must have in the top 10 cds I think the band has put out. From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 4:28 pm Subject: D:Live [220 Volt] OK, after 10 albums or so saying nothing, I drop my few remarks on 220 Volts. After Rockoon I got so fed up with new TD releases that I stopped buying their albums. I was more into guitar anyway, playing in blues and jazz sessions, adoring Stevie Ray Vaughan, Robben Ford, Joe Pass. A couple of years later I was curious and thought 'why not listen to your old time favourite band'. Among some new albums I didn't knew was 220 Volt, I went for it. And I really liked it. The recording is technically not so good (to low), but I love the music with the very exception of that studio bonus track and a typically-cheesy ending tune. It has a nice build up in a sense that musicians are introduced (the first bit for Linda, the second bit for Zlatko), has a quieter floating middle, and a great climax with 'Hamlet'. 'Hamlet' soon became one of my favourite TD tracks, at least of the 90s. The guitar has the great characteristic Froese trademark sound. And the sequencers - gosh, they SWING. That was new to me in TD music. Like it very much. I was very very pleased that they played it as an encore at the first Sheperd's Bush concert in 1996. The story ends with a nice joke - Purple Haze. Had to buy the video then too, was pleasently surprised to see a very attractive woman in the band, and on there was another track which immediately caught my attention: Graffiti Street. Realised then that I actually had it on Rockoon. I was so pissed off by Rockoon that I did not appreciate the one single star on that record, namely Graffiti Street. Great rock track, builds up a lot. Simple melody idea worked out very well. armin Armin Theissen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath Armagh BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 028 3752 29 28 N. Ireland Fax: (+44) 028 3752 71 74 o/ \o_ \ / __ __o |o \__/o | o____ |__ __/ \__/o | / | / o\ / | > / \ /o\ o| << | \o__/ Ouch!!! No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this email Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22939 D:Live [220 Volt] Marcel Engels Wed 6/14/2000 2 KB From: 'John Burek' Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 4:55 pm Subject: OT: Ian Boddy live on Echoes Hey folks, Sorry for the OT, but it's actually pretty relevant....Did anybody in the USA record the Ian Boddy broadcast on the Echoes radio show yesterday? I heard it last night on Echoes in New York, and taped it, but my reception was staticy. It was great, though! Some really good unreleased Berlin-school stuff. FYI, for those in the New York area, the show *may* be rebroadcast tonight (night of June 14/morning of June 15)....it seems WFUV (90.7FM) might play the same show it played the night before after it plays that night's new show....if so, the Boddy broadcast would be about 3:30 am. Also, did anyone happen to tape the Ian Boddy broadcast on June 6 on the Star's End radio program? John ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Euro 2000 List Members Hello, craig.cordrey@g... wrote: > > The current Euro 2000 Football Championships pulls together 16 teams for a > World Cup-style competition. Of the 16 countries present, we have qute a good > coverage of associated list members. Any other countries covered? > > 1. Belgium : Tom Coppens > 2. Czech Republik Richard Bilek? > 3. Denmark Poul Eric + Flemming Larsen > 4. England : Carl Kearney (+ many others) > 5. France : Yannick Edom > 6. Germany : Heiko Heerssen (+ many others) > 7. Holland : Marcel Engels > 8. Italy Nicola Cont? > 9. Norway Alexander Bjelke? > 10. Portugal : Antonio Nunes I'm portuguese also > 11. Romania Radu velicescu > 12. Slovenia I remember a slovenian in the old tadream list. Don't know if he is still around... > 13. Spain : Jupe (still here?) > 14. Sweden : Olle ? (+ others) > 15. Turkey > 16. Yugoslavia BTW Craig, sorry for the disappointment you had last monday. ;-) Ducking and running, Jorge Figueiredo Coimbra, Portugal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22951 Re: OT: Euro 2000 List Members craig.cordrey@g... Thu 6/15/2000 3 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 6:38 pm Subject: [tadream] D:Live [220 Volt] Same story as Armin actually. After Optical Race I stopped buying TD, but from a friend I could borrow 220Volt and actually liked some of the tracks. Especially Hamlet, but that may be because it reminds me of the older TD. Bought the video for the old footage (which I want to see more of :-)) Marcel From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 7:57 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] OT: Euro 2000 List Members > Hey, you can put me in for Denmark, - leaving tomorrow for the HollandGame. And Jan is danish too, but he has no interest in footie whatsoever........... > Poul Yes, I am also from Denmark, but please no footballdiscusions here, thank you =) Jan > The current Euro 2000 Football Championships pulls together 16 teams for a > > 15. Turkey > 16. Yugoslavia From: Geir Smedsrud Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 8:53 pm Subject: RE: OT: Euro 2000 List Members I'm not so outspoken as many others, but I'm still on the list so count me in (ducking and taking cover after yesterdays match). Best player so far (IMO): Luis Figo, Portugal Geir from Norway From: 'Daryoush Tahmasebi' Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 4:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [220 Volt] Where and when in US? Daryoush >From: Armin Theissen >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] D:Live [220 Volt] >Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:39:30 +0100 (BST) > > >odd... its live in the US, but don't they've got only 110 volts there??? > >armin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Tomas Rydqvist Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 9:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [220 Volt] Hi 220 volt was recorded during the north american tour in 1992 Nu vet du det mannen Totta Daryoush Tahmasebi wrote: > Where and when in US? > > Daryoush > > >From: Armin Theissen > >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > >To: tadream@egroups.com > >Subject: [tadream] D:Live [220 Volt] > >Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:39:30 +0100 (BST) > > > > > >odd... its live in the US, but don't they've got only 110 volts there??? > > > >armin > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4634/5/_/24785/_/961017798/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 9:35 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] RE: OT: Euro 2000 List Members To the football fans on the list, Hang on a minute, what's your religion, football or TD?!! There's enough of it on the TV! Paul From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 9:45 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] RE: OT: Euro 2000 List Members ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Fellows To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 11:35 PM Subject: Re : [tadream] RE: OT: Euro 2000 List Members > To the football fans on the list, > > Hang on a minute, what's your religion, football or TD?!! There's enough of > it on the TV! > > Paul > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4633/5/_/24785/_/961018502/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22946 Sv: [tadream] RE: OT: Euro 2000 List Members Poul Erik Wed 6/14/2000 2 KB 22949 Sv: [tadream] RE: OT: Euro 2000 List Members Pergamon Thu 6/15/2000 2 KB From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 9:48 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] RE: OT: Euro 2000 List Members Paul SORRY - I know - but sometimes some of us just gets carried away. And besides it's a great sport without comparison to TD :o) Poul > To the football fans on the list, > > Hang on a minute, what's your religion, football or TD?!! There's enough of > it on the TV! > > Paul From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Puzzled ' Is there anybody out there ' ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Puzzled > > > >Craig ! it was a TD album and you didnt buy it ???? > It wasn't me saying they'd seen it - I just told them what it was. As it > happens, despite my rule that I don't buy compilations, I _do_ have this one I had money burning a hole in my pocket. Wish I had that money now! Tell me about it M8 sorry for the misinterpretation , I should read all the mail before posting . Regards Carl . Oh buy the way I think England will be out by the next round , I fancy the Czech Republic myself , Patriotic to the end ( not ) From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Jun 14, 2000 10:33 pm Subject: I'm enjoying Goblins' Club (Am I?) Hello dreamers, The last TD CD I bought was Encore. That was two months ago. I've been playing a lot of Poland, Force Majeure, Pergamon, Ricochet, White Eagle, Stratosfear, and some others. I can almost hum along those albums. I had some TD CDs I hardly ever play separated on top of the CD shelf, so I could play them. They were Tyranny of Beauty, Livemiles, Cyclone and Goblins' Club. I've played TOB and CYC many days ago, and GC and LM were still there today. I thought 'well, why not?' and decided to give GC a spin. I found myself enjoying GC! Can that be true?!?!! Indeed GC can be an enjoyable album, but it's not as rich as many others (as we know). I won't give a track-by-track impression (although Evening Star continues to be one of the many best TD tracks and Rising Haul still is that interesting track which seems to be full of half-completed musical ideas), but I invite you to get those dusty albums you almost never play out of their boxes. You may have some nice surprises. Jobim p.s. Sad Merlin is also a good track. Maybe the second best in GC. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 12:20 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] RE: OT: Euro 2000 List Members AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT NO MORE FOOTBALLTALK!!!!!! Hehe sorry about that, just had to do it Paul, keep going, tell those footballnerds =) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Poul Erik To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 11:48 PM Subject: Sv: [tadream] RE: OT: Euro 2000 List Members > Paul > SORRY - I know - but sometimes some of us just gets carried away. And besides it's a great sport without comparison to TD :o) > Poul > > > > To the football fans on the list, > > > > Hang on a minute, what's your religion, football or TD?!! There's enough of > > it on the TV! > > > > Paul From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 3:54 am Subject: Berlin Sony Center I heard that today was the grand opening of the building. There was a 2 page spread in the Chicago Sun Times. Anyone else have local coverage to report? Regards, Michael A. Jean Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 8:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Euro 2000 List Members Thanks for the various updates. The list now reads as follows : 1. Belgium : Tom Coppens 2. Czech Republik : Richard Bilek 3. Denmark : Poul Erik (+ others) 4. England : Carl Kearney (+ many others) 5. France : Yannick Edom 6. Germany : Heiko Heerssen (+ many others) 7. Holland : Marcel Engels 8. Italy : Nicola Cont 9. Norway : Alexander Bjelke 10. Portugal : Antonio Nunes (+ others) 11. Romania : Radu Velicescu 12. Slovenia 13. Spain : Jupe (still here?) 14. Sweden : Olle ? (+ others) 15. Turkey 16. Yugoslavia Only three nationalities to go. Can we cover Slovenia, Turkey and Yugoslavia? Jorge said : >BTW Craig, sorry for the disappointment you had last monday. ;-) > >Ducking and running, No need to duck and run - I'm Scottish, not English, so I was as pleased to see the result as you were. Maybe I need to do the ducking and running now. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Daryoush Tahmasebi' Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 5:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [220 Volt] Till:Tomas Rydqvist Nu vet mannen det. Tack. Darre >From: Tomas Rydqvist >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [220 Volt] >Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:38:35 +0200 > >Hi > >220 volt was recorded during the north american tour in 1992 >Nu vet du det mannen > >Totta > >Daryoush Tahmasebi wrote: > > > Where and when in US? > > > > Daryoush > > > > >From: Armin Theissen > > >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > > >To: tadream@egroups.com > > >Subject: [tadream] D:Live [220 Volt] > > >Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:39:30 +0100 (BST) > > > > > > > > >odd... its live in the US, but don't they've got only 110 volts >there??? > > > > > >armin > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. > > http://click.egroups.com/1/4634/5/_/24785/_/961017798/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 11:13 am Subject: RE: Euro 2000 list members ! >Subject: Re: OT: Euro 2000 List Members > 7. Holland : Marcel Engels Count me in as well for Holland :-) Cheers, Wouter From: Vincent Goudreault Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 1:34 pm Subject: Re: 220 Volt > Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:39:30 +0100 (BST) > From: Armin Theissen > Subject: D:Live [220 Volt] > > odd... its live in the US, but don't they've got only 110 volts there??? > > armin > Not exactly. In North America, the power feed into a house is 3 phases/220 volt. The internal distribution within a dwelling is thus available as 220 volt for the high power applciations (such as electric oven) and various 2 phases/110 volt for most of the wall outlets (only two wires used). Thus, if TD wanted to mark the fact that their production was high energy, '220 Volt' gets pertinent. C.B.V. Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22957 Re: 220 Volt Marcel Engels Thu 6/15/2000 2 KB 22958 Re: 220 Volt Greg Thu 6/15/2000 2 KB 22959 Re: 220 Volt Joel Mullen Thu 6/15/2000 3 KB 22962 us-prices/sorceror Marcel Engels Thu 6/15/2000 3 KB 22965 Re: 220 Volt Feldon Feldon Thu 6/15/2000 3 KB 31687 220 Volt Owens, James Sat 1/26/2002 2 KB 31693 Re: 220 Volt quarlie@a... Sun 1/27/2002 2 KB 31730 Re: 220 Volt Michael A Jean Tue 1/29/2002 3 KB From: 'teiwaz _' Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 2:07 pm Subject: Subject: Sv: RE: OT: Euro 2000 List Members >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT NO MORE FOOTBALLTALK!!!!!! I had to laugh--football/soccer talk is most welcome at the moment, especially if you live where I do--in the heart of US (golf) OPEN country. bleah --Thomas np KS--15Dec76 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 3:19 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Subject: Sv: RE: OT: Euro 2000 List Members Uh oh, beware Thomas, I've got a felling that you dropped a bomb there......... Poul >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! > STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT > NO MORE FOOTBALLTALK!!!!!! > I had to laugh--football/soccer talk is most welcome at the moment, > especially if you live where I do--in the heart of US (golf) OPEN > country. bleah > > --Thomas Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22960 Sv: [tadream] Subject: Sv: RE: OT: Euro 2000 List Pergamon Thu 6/15/2000 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 4:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: 220 Volt > From: vg067005@e... [mailto:vg067005@e...] > > Not exactly. In North America, the power feed into a house is > 3 phases/220 volt. The internal distribution within a dwelling > is thus available as 220 volt for the high power applciations > (such as electric oven) and various 2 phases/110 volt for most > of the wall outlets (only two wires used). Thus, if TD wanted > to mark the fact that their production was high energy, '220 Volt' > gets pertinent. Hmm makes me wonder...if 220V is high energy how much does 110V costs? :-) We always pay a higher price over here...to give you Americans an idea: 1 litre gas is over 1.25 dollars...thats 4 times more expensive then you guys. I won't even go into houses and synths and CDs... Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Email :mengels@w... From: 'Greg' Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 4:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 220 Volt So in essence everyone, TD could do a gig in an American Laundromat without any problems what so ever! :))) Greg H NP: R.A.H. London 75: Mysterious Resemblance at the Thread of Nightmares From: Joel Mullen Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 4:21 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: 220 Volt On Thursday, June 15, 2000 11:18 AM, Marcel Engels [SMTP:mengels@w...] wrote: > Hmm makes me wonder...if 220V is high energy how much does > 110V costs? :-) I used 1389 KWH last month and with all the taxes it cost me $100.66 so 7.2 cents per KWH. I am not sure if that helps. BTW some of my usage was 220V like my air conditioner and electric stove. So depending on the appliance we use 110/120, 220/240 here. > We always pay a higher price over here...to give you Americans > an idea: 1 litre gas is over 1.25 dollars...thats 4 times more > expensive then you guys. Gas is alot more expensive now than it used to be. It can easily reach $2.35 per gallon for regular unleaded and $2.60+ for premium. Still cheaper than you, but now only 1/2 as much instead of 1/4. In some parts of the US it is only $1.40 or so still, but they used to be below $1 per gallon > I won't even go into houses and synths and CDs... > Depending on where you shop CDs can be very expensive. $17.98,$18.98 for a single disc in department stores and some music shops. If you know where to shop you can get the same CD for $9.98 - $11.98 however. But they are usually dumpy little places that mothers and grandmothers are afraid to shop. Mega music stores fall in between with prices. Regards, Joel > Marcel > Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > Email :mengels@w... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com: > http://click.egroups.com/1/5530/5/_/24785/_/961085553/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22962 us-prices/sorceror Marcel Engels Thu 6/15/2000 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 5:22 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Subject: Sv: RE: OT: Euro 2000 List Members > >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! > STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT > NO MORE FOOTBALLTALK!!!!!! > > I had to laugh--football/soccer talk is most welcome at the moment, > especially if you live where I do--in the heart of US (golf) OPEN > country. bleah > --Thomas Thomas, you are a very evil person, I work with 2 footballnerds, and have to listen to this everyday. Finally, I found a place were I could discuss something I like, and then you start this. I don't like you =) We have a small association called F.L.A.F. It is very hard to translate the meaning to english, but it is a fun-association. We have one rule, and it is to ridicule at least one footballnerd everyday. But then again I can understand you need for something else than GOLF GOLF GOLF. But please be kind and NOT DISCUSS FOOTBALL HERE!!!!! =)))))) And please, don't tell me that TD, is footballnerds too..... =) Thank you!!!! Jan From: horrod6 Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 5:44 pm Subject: OT: Euro 2000 List Members If it will close the topic, I will happily pretend to be Slovenian, Turkish AND Yugoslav. Just don't expect me to know anything about football! From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 5:54 pm Subject: us-prices/sorceror > From: Joel Mullen [mailto:joelm@p...] > > I used 1389 KWH last month and with all the taxes it cost me $100.66 > so 7.2 cents per KWH. I am not sure if that helps. BTW some of > my usage was 220V like my air conditioner and electric stove. So > depending on the appliance we use 110/120, 220/240 here. I must honestly I don't know how much it is over here :-) (I mean how much c/KWH). > Gas is alot more expensive now than it used to be. It can easily reach > $2.35 per gallon for regular unleaded and $2.60+ for premium. Still > cheaper than you, but now only 1/2 as much instead of 1/4. In some > parts of the US it is only $1.40 or so still, but they used to be below $1 > per gallon Again, I don't look at the gas prices now because it is paid by my boss, even private km. In the future only a lease-car for me :-) > Depending on where you shop CDs can be very expensive. $17.98,$18.98 > for a single disc in department stores and some music shops. It's around US$20,- over here (not sure how much a dollar is right now). For example, I bought Pieces in a Modern Style (Orbit) over there for US$13,- (it's a 2CD) and over here it costs US$20,-. About Sorceror: It certainly doesn't sound like '75 TD to me. My best guess it was done in '76. If anyone is interested in getting the remaining 45 minutes of music from Sorceror can't contact me...:-) (sorry) Who knows, it might get released in a tangentized form. You know, I really wonder if they are proud of what they did in the 70s and 80s. Explain to me why they destroy so much beautiful music? Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Email :mengels@w... From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 6:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 538 <<<< odd... its live in the US, but don't they've got only 110 volts there??? armin >> * True, but Spinal Tap could turn Their amps up to 11...>> Too bad Nigel Tufnel didn't own a 50's era Fender Deluxe amp. Those you could turn up to 12! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From: jupe Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 6:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Euro 2000 List Members 13. Spain : Jupe (still here?) Yes .....I´m making new TD mpegs videos and a new trade list . Dream on ¡¡¡ Jupe En/Na craig.cordrey@g... ha escrit: > Thanks for the various updates. The list now reads as follows : > > 1. Belgium : Tom Coppens > 2. Czech Republik : Richard Bilek > 3. Denmark : Poul Erik (+ others) > 4. England : Carl Kearney (+ many others) > 5. France : Yannick Edom > 6. Germany : Heiko Heerssen (+ many others) > 7. Holland : Marcel Engels > 8. Italy : Nicola Cont > 9. Norway : Alexander Bjelke > 10. Portugal : Antonio Nunes (+ others) > 11. Romania : Radu Velicescu > 12. Slovenia > 13. Spain : Jupe (still here?) > 14. Sweden : Olle ? (+ others) > 15. Turkey > 16. Yugoslavia > > Only three nationalities to go. Can we cover Slovenia, Turkey and Yugoslavia? > > Jorge said : > >BTW Craig, sorry for the disappointment you had last monday. ;-) > > > >Ducking and running, > > No need to duck and run - I'm Scottish, not English, so I was as pleased to see > the result as you were. > > Maybe I need to do the ducking and running now. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... > crjc@t... > Senior Systems Engineer > Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 > Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division > Donibristle, Fife, Scotland > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Free @Backup service! Click here for your free trial of @Backup. > @Backup is the most convenient way to securely protect and access > your files online. Try it now and receive 300 MyPoints. > http://click.egroups.com/1/5469/5/_/24785/_/961052976/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 8:45 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: 220 Volt Actually, Marcel, we are paying about $2 in the USA for 1 gallon of gas right now. Still less than half of $5 you pay in Netherlands and $6 in France, and $7 in England. I like how OPEC is described as a Cartel, because that's exactly what it is. >From: 'Marcel Engels' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: 220 Volt >Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:17:38 +0200 > > > From: vg067005@e... [mailto:vg067005@e...] > > > > Not exactly. In North America, the power feed into a house is > > 3 phases/220 volt. The internal distribution within a dwelling > > is thus available as 220 volt for the high power applciations > > (such as electric oven) and various 2 phases/110 volt for most > > of the wall outlets (only two wires used). Thus, if TD wanted > > to mark the fact that their production was high energy, '220 Volt' > > gets pertinent. > >Hmm makes me wonder...if 220V is high energy how much does >110V costs? :-) >We always pay a higher price over here...to give you Americans >an idea: 1 litre gas is over 1.25 dollars...thats 4 times more >expensive then you guys. >I won't even go into houses and synths and CDs... > >Marcel >Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels >Email :mengels@w... > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 10:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Euro 2000 List Members ' Is there anybody out there ' ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Euro 2000 List Members > > > Thanks for the various updates. The list now reads as follows : > > 1. Belgium : Tom Coppens > 2. Czech Republik : Richard Bilek > 3. Denmark : Poul Erik (+ others) > 4. England : Carl Kearney (+ many others) > 5. France : Yannick Edom > 6. Germany : Heiko Heerssen (+ many others) > 7. Holland : Marcel Engels > 8. Italy : Nicola Cont > 9. Norway : Alexander Bjelke > 10. Portugal : Antonio Nunes (+ others) > 11. Romania : Radu Velicescu > 12. Slovenia > 13. Spain : Jupe (still here?) > 14. Sweden : Olle ? (+ others) > 15. Turkey > 16. Yugoslavia > > Only three nationalities to go. Can we cover Slovenia, Turkey and Yugoslavia? > Looks a bit like a Eurovision song contest result Craig. Slovenia = Nil Points Turkey = Nil Points Yugoslavia = Nil points. Regards Carl ( the not so patriotic) unless we beat Germany on Saturday , got more chance of winning the lottery . From: Vic Rek Date: Thu Jun 15, 2000 11:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 220 Volt - Lots of gas! OK, First some TD content... I see that the auction ended at Groove on TD CDs. Some items went for a lot of money I guess, but I have not checked out the bidding yet. For the first time I decided to wait out the last day and last minute bids and see how it all shakes out. Obviously there are still some serious collectors out there!!! On another note, Tom George stopped by the other day and we had a great time remembering the Okefenokee trip and we also listened to some of the tunes. CD-R will be out soon :-) > Actually, Marcel, we are paying about $2 in the USA for 1 gallon of gas > right now. Still less than half of $5 you pay in Netherlands and $6 in > France, and $7 in England. I like how OPEC is described as a Cartel, > because that's exactly what it is. As to energy prices, you should all live in Georgia USA. We have one of the lowest gas and energy prices in the US. We are 15% below the national US average in energy - even though we need to run our air conditioners 24/7 now and the gallon price is very high for us - up from $1.20 to almost $1.50 a gallon, depending on the grade. So, if I use 1 gallon to drive to work (which I do when the air conditioning is on) then its costs me $3 a day to commute. If I lived in France, then it would cost me $12 a day to commute or $9 more or around $2160 extra a year - now how many nice TD items would that pay for? ;-) Vic From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Fri Jun 16, 2000 1:00 pm Subject: Attention: Holiday Hi ALL, I am in Holiday from 19.06.00 to 05.07.00 . Germany : Bayrischer Wald / Kirchberg vorm Wald (near Passau/Donau) best wishes for all Heiko Neumann Burg Germany NEUMANN.H-J@t... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Roger Hartopp Date: Sat Jun 17, 2000 10:53 am Subject: Re: TD top 20's for Friday 23 & 30 June Hello again everyone! This will probably be my final reminder to everyone for their Top Ten TD soundtrack albums, to be broadcast this Friday on Radio Rak in Poland, broadcasting on http://ituner.com/rak/rakaudio.html I’m going to be putting the programme together this Wednesday, so if you would still like to vote then send me off-list (or put on-list) your top ten. I’ve compiled a chart from eight folks who’ve voted so far (Jan [Pergamon], Poul Erik, Chris Chouinard, Bag, Sean Montgomery, Antonio Nunes, Gabe Yedid and myself) but it really needs a few more to make it reasonably credible. No such problems with the TD overall Top Twenty (to be broadcast on the 30th June) where a chart has been compiled from a total of thirty-two lists. On this chart are votes from: Myself Joe Shoults Frank Arellano Poly (Synthhtnys) Bert Hulshoff J. Gordon John Marchington Antonio Nunes Stephen Yensen Nick Adams James Chapman Greg H. Steve Gabe Yedid Gary Jenkins Marcel Engels Derek Laing Jared White Peter Priseum Michael V Miller Patrik Colin Anderson Dell Mark Carl Kearney Steve Feldman Poul Erik Jan (Pergamon) Bennett Cookson Koulos Lawry Simm Sean Harvey If you’ve voted, but don’t see your name here, then it may have been included on the one digest I didn’t receive, or for whatever reason it didn’t make my e-mail address or I just plain missed it, or it was one of those 'in no particular order' charts which make it impossible to include. Let me have your remaining votes by Tuesday, 27 June at the latest. I have been asked if Radio Rak is available on satellite – unfortunately, it isn’t. Anyway, in many ways I’ll be glad when this is finished – I can look forward to being a normal contributor to the newsgroup and take part in normal debates set up by Lawry and the gang. One final thing – I notice the European Championships semi-final will clash with the first hour of the programme – with potentially England, Germany or Italy playing (which was the case when I wrote this). Will any of you guys (and girls) be listening at all? It would be nice to get your opinions on the show... All the best Roger Hartopp ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Sat Jun 17, 2000 12:02 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] OT: Euro 2000 List Members Stuff the EURO 2000 anyway - Denmark did a good job yesterday, but met a better opponent. Just came home from the game. I'm tired, disappointed - so what's the point ? :o) Good luck to all other teams and their supporters; May your team reach higher peaks and whilst doing that it sure gets a h*** of a lot better when you listen to TD. Try it - I think it's good.....:o) Poul > Thanks for the various updates. The list now reads as follows : > > 1. Belgium : Tom Coppens > 2. Czech Republik : Richard Bilek > 3. Denmark : Poul Erik (+ others) > 4. England : Carl Kearney (+ many others) > 5. France : Yannick Edom > 6. Germany : Heiko Heerssen (+ many others) > 7. Holland : Marcel Engels > 8. Italy : Nicola Cont > 9. Norway : Alexander Bjelke > 10. Portugal : Antonio Nunes (+ others) > 11. Romania : Radu Velicescu > 12. Slovenia > 13. Spain : Jupe (still here?) > 14. Sweden : Olle ? (+ others) > 15. Turkey > 16. Yugoslavia > > Only three nationalities to go. Can we cover Slovenia, Turkey and Yugoslavia? From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Jun 17, 2000 1:47 pm Subject: Discussion Week 40 - Sunday 18th June 2000 Next up is the album 'Turn Of The Tides'. Please make your subject read 'D:Studio [Turn Of The Tides]' when posting comments and reviews for the benefit of the search engine. Samples may be found at http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/totides1.ram http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/totides2.ram Remember the discussions are open to new members too. Don't know how to get started? Well, just tell us what you think about this album, and then be prepared to be flamed! ;-) And don't forget, it's not just descriptions of the music that are valid.. we also want to hear how the music makes you _feel_ and the images it creates for you... something that the ladies here are good at... how about it Dell? Marion? Cheers, Lawry lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Jun 17, 2000 4:56 pm Subject: The Keep.... (again?) Ok, this may be old news to some, in fact this may have already been brought up and I didn't notice, but there was some controversy over whether or not the Keep was ever released on vinyl, well, I just got Electronic Orgy today and in the liner notes some of the cuts are reffered to as having come from 'The Keep, Virgin promo LP' hmmmmmm Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22973 Re: The Keep.... (again?) Antonio Nunes Sat 6/17/2000 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Jun 17, 2000 6:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep.... (again?) Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > Ok, this may be old news to some, in fact this may have already been > brought up and I didn't notice, but there was some controversy over > whether or not the Keep was ever released on vinyl, well, I just got > Electronic Orgy today and in the liner notes some of the cuts are > reffered to as having come from 'The Keep, Virgin promo LP' > hmmmmmm Have you noticed that the back cover mentions the year 1977 as release date of EO, but this set includes tracks from 1971 to 1995?! Bottom line: never believe in what's written in bootlegs liner notes :-) Antonio From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Jun 17, 2000 7:48 pm Subject: cover versions Hey people time for a new thread If TD could do a CD of cover versions or collaborations with other musicians what would you want them to play and why? To start you off:- 1 a cover of Assassin by The Orb - for the irony of it. 2 a collaboration with Kraftwek on Autobahn - a classic that should be up dated for 2000 3 a collaboration with Yoko Ono on Walking on Thin Ice - a guitar track begging to be synthesised 4 a cover of David Bowie's Glass Spider - for the atmosphere 5 a cover of Mussorgsky's Great Gates of Kiev - I would sound great live in Kiev 6 a collaboration with The Human League on The Lebanon - for the surprise 7 a cover version of Adiemus Songs of Sanctuary with Laurie Anderson on vocals - great talent 8 a collaboration with Frankie goes to Hollywood on Relax - why not? 9 a cover of Carl Orff's Poetica - because my wife likes it 10 a collaboration with Gloria Jones on Tainted Love - electronic meets soul 11 a cover version of Elton John's Funeral for a Friend - a classic to be updated 12 a collaboration with Bauhaus on Bela Lugosi's dead - for the drama 13 a collaboration with monks on a Gregorian Chant - for the spirituality and to round it off Look forward to reading your ideas David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22975 Re: cover versions Sean Montgomery Sat 6/17/2000 3 KB 22978 Re: cover versions Carl Kearney Sun 6/18/2000 3 KB 22997 Re: cover versions Sean Montgomery Mon 6/19/2000 2 KB 22990 Re: cover versions j.gordon Mon 6/19/2000 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sat Jun 17, 2000 8:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] cover versions Ah! This is a thread I brought up a couple of years ago on the old list. TD's choice of cover versions to date has been rather disappointing to me. I know that TD (or at least Edgar) has been inspired and influenced by classical and 60s rock music, but they're two genres that have little to do with TD's own musical direction. Eleanor Rigby was the worst choice yet...it just sounds like musak to me. Their versions of classical music are *alright*, but playing the music with synthetic versions of real instruments doesn't make it any better than it they're played by an orchestra; in fact, you can argue it makes them worse. So anyway, I totally agree that TD should dive into some classic 80s synthpop. The Lebanon is a great choice. And how about: Enola Gay - O.M.D. Are Friends Electric? - Tubeway Army A Forest - The Cure Sleepwalk - Ultravox There are also other tasty choices, like late 80s/early 90s techno Strings of Life - Derrick May In Yer Face - 808 State Little Fluffy Clouds - Orb Chime - Orbital And in the previous discussion, someone mentioned disco, and I think that could be great fun. Imagine TD's take on 'I Feel Love' or 'Funkytown'! I'd also like to hear them do Abba's 'Eagle'. If they want to give Zlatko something to do, how about something with classic guitar riffage, like Led Zepplin's 'Kasmir' or Metallica's 'One'? SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Sat Jun 17, 2000 8:45 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] cover versions Hi David, I would go for the last two versions. I like'em both and surely something good would be made out of a gregorian chant. I think TD would be great in the ' monk y ' :o) - sound. Poul > If TD could do a CD of cover versions or collaborations with other musicians what would you want them to play and why? > 12 a collaboration with Bauhaus on Bela Lugosi's dead - for the drama > 13 a collaboration with monks on a Gregorian Chant - for the spirituality and to round it off > > Look forward to reading your ideas > > David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22977 Re: Sv: [tadream] cover versions Gabe Yedid Sat 6/17/2000 3 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sat Jun 17, 2000 9:19 pm Subject: Re: Sv: [tadream] cover versions More than anything, I want to hear them do a cover of Metallica's 'Orion'. It's already an instrumental, so there's no worry about the need to support vocals, and it would give all 3 guitarists in TD--as well as the drummer--a light workout, unless they decided to replace some of the rhythm guitar lines with synths and sequencers. Jerome and Zlatko (or Gradwohl) might go for this, but I don't see heavy metal sitting well with Edgar...sigh... I fully agree with the suitability of '80s synthpop and early '90s techno. A couple of things I wouldn't at all mind hearing them try: New Order--'Blue Monday' (not sure how it would work w/o the vocals) or 'Your Silent Face' Kraftwerk--'Tour de France' Aphex Twin--'On' or why not things by other well-known EM artists, like Vangelis' 'Pulstar' and 'Alpha', from _Albedo 0.39_? cheers, Gabe From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Sun Jun 18, 2000 12:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] cover versions ' Is there anybody out there ' ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Sean Montgomery' To: Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] cover versions ( snip ) Their versions of classical > music are *alright*, but playing the music with synthetic versions of real > instruments doesn't make it any better than it they're played by an > orchestra; in fact, you can argue it makes them worse. Hi Sean I tend to disagree with this point , I was first introduced to classical music and one could say Electronic music by Emerson Lake and Palmer , they turned great sounding classical tracks into an art form all of there own and they still sound great to this day ( IMHO ) (snip) > So anyway, I totally agree that TD should dive into some classic 80s > synthpop. The Lebanon is a great choice. And how about: > Enola Gay - O.M.D. > Are Friends Electric? - Tubeway Army > A Forest - The Cure > Sleepwalk - Ultravox If they want to give Zlatko something to do, how about something with > classic guitar riffage, like Led Zepplin's 'Kasmir' or Metallica's 'One'? I can tell you know if they EVER try to touch Kashmir I will burn every single Item I have relating to TD . How ever I will give the original question some thought and post later . Best regards Carl ' Orch ' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22997 Re: cover versions Sean Montgomery Mon 6/19/2000 2 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Sun Jun 18, 2000 4:44 am Subject: TD is STILL the BEST! Just finished listening to TD's Liverpool 1975 show on Virtual Files CD-R 75-09. Great stuff! The music played here is classic!! The progressive EM jam is very intense.. I hope some more fans can comment about this.. Vic From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sun Jun 18, 2000 5:09 pm Subject: 'D: Live [220 Volt]' Hey gang, I'm a little late in posting this one, just got back from vacation. How many of you missed me? :-) To me 220 Volt is one of TD's better releases, makes my top 10 anyways. Oriental Haze may be my favorite track on this CD. I just love the sax on this piece, oh so sweet! Hamlet is my next favorite track. I love Edgar's lead guitar playing. 220 Volt is another strong one, but I think I like the version on Tournado a little bit better. There are other good tracks too, such as Two Bunch Palms, Dreamtime and Treasure of Innocence to name a few, but there is a stinker. And that would be Purple Haze. I guess I wouldn't have even liked it when Jimmy Hendrix did it. I'm not into that heavy metal crap, just my opinion though. Purple Haze earns its way to my #1 most hated TD track of all time !! Peace, Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22983 Re: 'D: Live [220 Volt]' Vic Rek Sun 6/18/2000 2 KB 23003 Re: 'D: Live [220 Volt]' Bennett Cookson Tue 6/20/2000 2 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Sun Jun 18, 2000 6:39 pm Subject: TDI web site update Hello folks, Get this update from the TDI web page: 'Many fans will remember that, towards the end of the last millenium, rumours started to fly that Edgar would retire from Tangerine Dream at the end of 1999. These fans may be wondering whether there was any substance to these rumours, and if so, why Edgar is still with the band. TDI can now reveal that, in the years leading up to the turn of the century, Edgar was secretly planning a spectacular career change...from leader of Tangerine Dream to German international footballer. Unfortunately, these plans ran into serious problems towards the end of last year. 'It's true that we were in negotiations with Froese,' says Hans SomeGermanOrOther of the German Football Federation. 'Unfortunately, there was a terrible mix-up with regard to Edgar's birthdate which only came to light recently. You see, Edgar is far, far too young to play at international level for Germany. In a few years, maybe we could consider it, but it's a dead proposition at the moment.' The problem was compounded during a top-secret training session in which Edgar, together with fellow Krautrocker Klaus Schulze, who was also planning a similar career move, paticipated. 'Unfortunately, we set him up four yards in front of an open goal...and he scored', continues SomeGermanOrOther. 'Not only that; he's got far too much hair. He needs to shave his head and learn to miss a barn door from five paces before we could even consider him'. SomeGermanOrOther was also not impressed with Schulze. 'We gave him the ball and he just dribbled it up and down the pitch...for 90 bloody minutes with no variation whatsoever. He was just getting into his stride, too. I think he was a bit disappointed when we told him that we don't play internationals in 50-game sets.' TDI can also reveal that the first major TD lineup shift for over 10 years may be in the offing. Martin Kay comments: 'Lot's of people are surprised that Alan Shearer is hanging up his boots following Euro 2000 at the age of only 29. Well, now we can reveal the reason. Alan is very excited about a possible transfer to Tangerine Dream. He feels that, if he's allowed to take up a front-of-stage position, with Jerome fitting in just behind, and Edgar supplying the service from over on stage right, he could once again be back to his best. We agree, and we're very excited about the prospect of Alan joining Tangerine Dream. We're not at all worried that he'll be the first Englishman in the band since Steve Joliffe; to the best of our knowledge he's never written lyrics about talking to trees.' So, all in all, it's been a pretty eventful time in the TD camp recently, eh? Apologies for the somewhat OT post, particularly to our friends from across the Atlantic, who probably didn't have a clue what I was going on about... Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22982 Re: TDI web site update Jared White Sun 6/18/2000 2 KB 22984 Re: TDI web site update Gabe Yedid Sun 6/18/2000 2 KB 22986 Re: TDI web site update Synthhtnys@a... Sun 6/18/2000 2 KB 22989 Re: TDI web site update rbrown4856@a... Mon 6/19/2000 1 KB From: Jared White Date: Sun Jun 18, 2000 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI web site update Glynn Naughton writes: >Hello folks, > >Get this update from the TDI web page: Feeling a bit bored today, eh Glynn? Try listening to Ambient Monkeys with your player on repeat for a few hours and see if that helps. ;) Uh oh, shouldn't have mentioned that -- just thinking about it is dangerous! ...zzzzzzzzz Jared SomeCalifornianOrOther ----------------------------------- This message was sent with the demo version of Postmaster, a BeOS mail client. For more information, please visit http://kennyc.com/postmaster From: Vic Rek Date: Sun Jun 18, 2000 7:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'D: Live [220 Volt]' Isn't there are guy on this list that answers to 220Volt? If so, we must throw him into a Coldwater Canyon to cool him off. Vic ;-) From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sun Jun 18, 2000 9:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI web site update On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Glynn Naughton wrote: > Hello folks, > > Get this update from the TDI web page: > Apologies for the somewhat OT post, particularly to our friends from > across the Atlantic, who probably didn't have a clue what I was going > on about... > > Glynn Actually Glynn, I thought that was the most utterly hilarious thing I'd read all week. Seriously! cheers, Gabe who's looking forward to an interesting lab meeting tomorrow, with my English boss and a German postdoc... From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Sun Jun 18, 2000 9:43 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] TDI web site update Hey Glynn what are you doing ? I almost spilt a cop of coffee on me keyboard, when I burst out in laughter. It certainly is OT, but I was told that Beckenbauer would have a go at TD as well. Can you confirm that ? Poul > Hello folks, > > Get this update from the TDI web page: > > 'Many fans will remember that, towards the end of the last millenium, > rumours started to fly that Edgar would retire from Tangerine Dream > at the end of 1999. These fans may be wondering whether there was any > substance to these rumours, and if so, why Edgar is still with the > band. > > TDI can now reveal that, in the years leading up to the turn of the > century, Edgar was secretly planning a spectacular career > change...from leader of Tangerine Dream to German international > footballer. Unfortunately, these plans ran into serious problems > towards the end of last year. 'It's true that we were in negotiations > with Froese,' says Hans SomeGermanOrOther of the German Football > Federation. 'Unfortunately, there was a terrible mix-up with regard > to Edgar's birthdate which only came to light recently. You see, > Edgar is far, far too young to play at international level for > Germany. In a few years, maybe we could consider it, but it's a dead > proposition at the moment.' > > The problem was compounded during a top-secret training session in > which Edgar, together with fellow Krautrocker Klaus Schulze, who was > also planning a similar career move, paticipated. 'Unfortunately, we > set him up four yards in front of an open goal...and he scored', > continues SomeGermanOrOther. 'Not only that; he's got far too much > hair. He needs to shave his head and learn to miss a barn door from > five paces before we could even consider him'. > > SomeGermanOrOther was also not impressed with Schulze. 'We gave him > the ball and he just dribbled it up and down the pitch...for 90 > bloody minutes with no variation whatsoever. He was just getting into > his stride, too. I think he was a bit disappointed when we told him > that we don't play internationals in 50-game sets.' > > TDI can also reveal that the first major TD lineup shift for over 10 > years may be in the offing. Martin Kay comments: 'Lot's of people are > surprised that Alan Shearer is hanging up his boots following Euro > 2000 at the age of only 29. Well, now we can reveal the reason. Alan > is very excited about a possible transfer to Tangerine Dream. He > feels that, if he's allowed to take up a front-of-stage position, > with Jerome fitting in just behind, and Edgar supplying the service > from over on stage right, he could once again be back to his best. We > agree, and we're very excited about the prospect of Alan joining > Tangerine Dream. We're not at all worried that he'll be the first > Englishman in the band since Steve Joliffe; to the best of our > knowledge he's never written lyrics about talking to trees.' > > So, all in all, it's been a pretty eventful time in the TD camp > recently, eh? > > Apologies for the somewhat OT post, particularly to our friends from > across the Atlantic, who probably didn't have a clue what I was going > on about... > > Glynn > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Free Conference Calling with Firetalk! > Host your next egroup meeting live on Firetalk. > Click here! > http://click.egroups.com/1/5478/5/_/24785/_/961353555/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22987 Sv: [tadream] TDI web site update Pergamon Sun 6/18/2000 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Jun 18, 2000 9:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI web site update << Apologies for the somewhat OT post, particularly to our friends from across the Atlantic, who probably didn't have a clue what I was going on about... Glynn >> * I just about died... that was too funny. thanks, Poly From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sun Jun 18, 2000 11:21 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] TDI web site update =)))))))))))))))))))))))))) Glynn, you are not without humor, actually I broke a glass reading this......thanks alot =) I can see now that the massive attempt to get footballtalk out of this list is futile. Hey next we will probably talk about Star Wars...........ups....now there was a great idea, what about a soundtrack to Star Wars made by TD. That could made up for the character-who-should-have-been-killed-after-3-seconds Jar Jar, and bring some real atmosphere to the movie. Jan > 'Many fans will remember that, towards the end of the last millenium, > rumours started to fly that Edgar would retire from Tangerine Dream > at the end of 1999. These fans may be wondering whether there was any > substance to these rumours, and if so, why Edgar is still with the > band. > > TDI can now reveal that, in the years leading up to the turn of the > century, Edgar was secretly planning a spectacular career > change...from leader of Tangerine Dream to German international > footballer. From: 'tom george' Date: Mon Jun 19, 2000 12:50 am Subject: antique dreams i just looked on Tower Records and saw a release date for AD of 7/11/00. wasn't it supposed to be released the last tuesday of this month? oh well, i advanced ordered it. maybe i will be the first on my block. i can't wait to hear the bitching and moaning that always accompanies a 'classic' release. well actually i can live without the bitching. maybe i will unsub from the list for a month after it's release. that way i can enjoy it without prejudice. take care, tom Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23046 antique dreams =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Sundst Sun 6/25/2000 2 KB 23049 Re: antique dreams Michael A Jean Sun 6/25/2000 3 KB 23054 Re: antique dreams Gabe Yedid Sun 6/25/2000 2 KB 23056 Re: antique dreams =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Sundst Mon 6/26/2000 4 KB From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Mon Jun 19, 2000 1:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI web site update One thing is for sure.You definitely described Schulze perfectly! LOVED IT! Rick From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Jun 19, 2000 6:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] cover versions > some classic 80s synth/pop. Black Celebration - Depeche Mode Take Me Home - Phil Orange Crush - R.E.M. Life in one Day - HJ > late 80s/early 90s techno Celestine - Banco de Gaia TransAtlantic Glide - Utah Saints for fun: Echos - PF La Villa Strangiato - Rush Supper's Ready - Genesis j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Jun 19, 2000 7:47 am Subject: [tadream] Dream Sequence Hi all, I picked up a copy of the re-released 'Dream Sequence' compilation at the weekend, it's remastered and packaged in a very similar style to the 'Tangents' box set. Nice quality. If you haven't seen the cover yet, I've just put it up on my site: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/dsequence.html Paul From: 'John Marchington' Date: Mon Jun 19, 2000 12:34 pm Subject: Jim and Pablo text translation Hi All, I've just purchased 'Jim and Pablo', not realising what I was letting myself in for. I guess I should have taken more notice of some of the barbed comments that have appeared about it from time to time. Having now listened to it, and without any prior understanding, I'm assuming it's a fantasy for children about a meteor landing, set as a play in which our band plays a little bit of incidental music. There appears to be a professor in it as well as boys Jim and Pablo The CD I bought is entirely in German (notes and all) and as my knowledge of the language is poor at best, I have little idea as to what is going on, apart from the excellent recording and some great sound effects. Does anybody have access to an English translation of the full text that they might like to e-mail to me? It would be much appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: mengels@w... Date: Mon Jun 19, 2000 12:40 pm Subject: okefenokee CDR Hi guys, I can no longer wait...(hmm where have I heard that before?) The Okefenokee CDR will be born on the 4th of July. If you are in America you can contact Vic Rek (Atlanta area) or Dave Brewer (Arizona area) or me (Europe and other) and we'll email you back about payment etc. I'm not sure about the price, Vic and I discussed it earlier and we talked about a price around US$10 - US$12 (probably depending on the post/package). The CDR will have some nice pictures from the swamp and of course music! It will contain 4 tracks and has a total time of about 72 minutes. (last track is about 32 minutes). We didn't add or remove any music, it will be pure music as it was played in the swamp. From now on we'll take orders, so if you have contacted one of us please do it again (sorry) so we can organise things. Hope you will re-live the spirit of the swamp. We certainly did! Later! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Swamp-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee Email :mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23004 Re: okefenokee CDR Vince LeGrand Tue 6/20/2000 4 KB From: jjoy Date: Mon Jun 19, 2000 1:21 pm Subject: Re: D: Live [220 Volt] Frank: >but there is a stinker. And that would be Purple Haze. I guess I wouldn't >have even liked it when Jimmy Hendrix did it. I'm not into that heavy >metal crap, just my opinion though. Heck, it does not any good to misunderstand something completely and then calling it crap. Jimi (it's written this way) never did 'heavy metal', he preceded it by many a year, and had not direct influence on that style either. Anyway, I felt that song displaced in a TD album... some other favorite classical piece would fit much better... just imo. From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon Jun 19, 2000 1:28 pm Subject: Covers Frank Arellano wrote: >but there is a stinker. And that would be Purple Haze. I guess I wouldn't have >>even liked it when Jimmy Hendrix did it. I'm not into that heavy metal crap, >>>just my opinion though. Purple Haze earns its way to my #1 most hated TD track >of all time !! Not my favourite either, nor is Eleanor Rigby. I really prefer TD playing TD instead of covers. But then again, I have always been a fan of the improvised style rather than the traditonal melodies -style. /Olle (For those interested in Euro 2000: There was a dutch prophet on television yesterday. He said that he was certain that Sweden will win not only the match against Italy today but actually go on to win the entire championship. He didn't say how many players we need to buy to achieve this though. My guess is it'll be expensive.) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22996 Re: Covers Patrik . Mon 6/19/2000 2 KB 23007 Re: Covers craig.cordrey@g... Tue 6/20/2000 3 KB 23008 Re: Covers Grant M Somerville Tue 6/20/2000 2 KB 23013 Covers horrod6 Tue 6/20/2000 4 KB 23029 Re: Covers craig.cordrey@g... Thu 6/22/2000 4 KB 23018 Re: Covers David Foster Wed 6/21/2000 2 KB 23019 Re: Covers David Foster Wed 6/21/2000 3 KB 23024 Re: Covers Antonio Nunes Wed 6/21/2000 2 KB From: 'Patrik .' Date: Mon Jun 19, 2000 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Covers I totally agree with Olle, I really don´t see the point in TD playing covers, except for the odd encore here or there. But then it is more of a surprise-thing. Olle wrote: There was a dutch prophet on television yesterday. He said that he was certain that Sweden will win not only the match against Italy today but actually go on to win the entire championship. ---------------------------------------- All I need is a miracle! :-D Keep it up! Patrik ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Jun 19, 2000 3:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] cover versions > Hi Sean I tend to disagree with this point , I was first introduced to > classical music and one could say Electronic music by Emerson Lake and > Palmer , they turned great sounding classical tracks into an art form all of > there own and they still sound great to this day ( IMHO ) Fair enough. In some cases, the 'hooked on classics' thing can turn out well. I do admit to liking Tomita's version of 'The Sea Named Solaris' that was on the soundtrack of Carl Sagan's miniseries 'Cosmos'. And I definitely like the trance version of William Orbit's 'Adiago for Strings'. I think the best 'TD does the classics' piece I've heard was Edgar's 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert', which wasn't even a cover, but a tribute. > I can tell you know if they EVER try to touch Kashmir I will burn every > single Item I have relating to TD. Ha ha! Well, *that's* passion. I wouldn't worry though, because it'll never happen. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Jun 19, 2000 3:46 pm Subject: [tadream] Towards the Evening Star Promo Videos Offered Hi all, A very interesting item has come in to my possession recently, namely the Towards the Evening Star Promo Video. This is an original, in VHS PAL format, 5 minutes in duration. The images themselves are computer generated, and were shown as a backdrop for the UK Shepherds Bush concerts 3 or 4 years ago. The music is slightly remixed from the album version. The packaging is very basic, the video itself has a simple black and white label and comes in a plain white card box. The date 24/10/97 is mentioned on the label. It was a promotional item given away by their ex record company in the UK, Voiceprint. I have 6 spare copies of it to give away in exchange for any of the items in the list below, first come first served, one item per video. If there are any copies left after the end of July, they will go up on e-bay and will no doubt fetch high prices, so get them while you can! Here's what I'd be particularly interested in: Tang-go, Best of TD 1990-2000 New CD version of Canyon Dreams (with extra track 'Rocky Mountain Hawk') New CD version of Oasis (with extra track 'Chia Maroon') Luminous Visions VHS and CD Antique Dreams (not out yet, but very soon apparently) Sony Centre Topping Out Ceremony Score The Keep (either 1997 or 1999 official versions) Oranges Don't Dance I Just Want to Rule my Own Life Without You and the following CD promos: Midwinter Night Tyranny of Beauty Turn of the Tides Towards the Evening Star (not the Orb remix one) Marakesh Cat Scan Das Madchen auf der Treppe (97 Remix) Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23005 Re: Towards the Evening Star Promo Videos Offered tom george Tue 6/20/2000 4 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Mon Jun 19, 2000 6:42 pm Subject: re.TDI update Thanks Glyn brightened up my day glad to see a bit of good humour here. From: Roger Hartopp Date: Mon Jun 19, 2000 6:50 pm Subject: Re: Top 10 TD soundtracks Final appeal to all those who haven't yet voted: Please let me have your Top 10 TD soundtracks by Wednesday at the latest, ready for the final broadcast this Friday. I could still do with a few more lists - so far I have nine. Roger ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23006 Re: Top 10 TD soundtracks tom george Tue 6/20/2000 2 KB 23028 Re: Top 10 TD soundtracks aoutland@a... Thu 6/22/2000 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Mon Jun 19, 2000 7:00 pm Subject: D:Studio[Turn of the Tides] After a promising start with a piece of classical and the excellent Firetongues apart from Jungle Journey I found the rest of this to be pretty mundane,A lack of melody and any original ideas which continued a run of three poor releases probably TD'S worst period since the experimental stuff of the early 70's. Cheers for now Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23002 Re: D:Studio[Turn of the Tides] Gabe Yedid Mon 6/19/2000 3 KB 23009 Re: D:Studio[Turn of the Tides] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Vill Tue 6/20/2000 4 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Mon Jun 19, 2000 9:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio[Turn of the Tides] On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Gary Jenkins wrote: > After a promising start with a piece of classical and the excellent > Firetongues apart from Jungle Journey I found the rest of this to be > pretty mundane,A lack of melody and any original ideas which Well I don't know how you can complain about a lack of melody in 'Death of A Nightingale' or 'Midwinter Night'. If you don't like the sax solos I can understand that, but these pieces are certainly not weak on sing-songy melody. And what about the piano solo in the middle section of 'Galley Slave's Horizon'? I think _TOTT_ is definitely one of TD's MORE melodic albums from that time--debates over the the originality of the musical ideas aside, I would have to say that the melodic writing is considerably more developed here than anything on _Rockoon_ or _220 Volt_. And the pieces are more internally cohesive than much of what was to follow on _Tyranny of Beauty_, even if they are more than a little derivative of other artists and styles. cheers, Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23009 Re: D:Studio[Turn of the Tides] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Vill Tue 6/20/2000 4 KB From: Bennett Cookson Date: Tue Jun 20, 2000 12:01 am Subject: RE: [tadream] 'D: Live [220 Volt]' I agree with Frank Arellano > To me 220 Volt is one of TD's better releases, makes my top 10 anyways. Oriental Haze may be my favorite track on this CD. I just love the sax on this piece, oh so sweet! Hamlet is my next favorite track. I love Edgar's lead guitar playing. An I can do without Purple Haze which I usually skip. I love the sax in 'the blue bridge' leading the way to Edgar's incredible guitar solo! The whole album builds quite a bit of tension and then dynamic release making it very powerful. --Bennett NP: 220 volt masterpiece [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Tue Jun 20, 2000 1:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] okefenokee CDR Sorry for taking up bandwidth on the list. I would like to get the Okefenokee CDR, and Vic is geographically closest to me. But, I don't have his e-mail address. So, Vic could you e-mail me off-list and let me know about payment, etc. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: mengels@w... To: tadream@egroups.com Date: Monday, June 19, 2000 8:41 AM Subject: [tadream] okefenokee CDR >Hi guys, > >I can no longer wait...(hmm where have I heard that before?) > >The Okefenokee CDR will be born on the 4th of July. >If you are in America you can contact Vic Rek (Atlanta area) or >Dave Brewer (Arizona area) or me (Europe and other) and we'll >email you back about payment etc. >I'm not sure about the price, Vic and I discussed it earlier >and we talked about a price around US$10 - US$12 (probably depending >on the post/package). >The CDR will have some nice pictures from the swamp and of course >music! It will contain 4 tracks and has a total time of about >72 minutes. (last track is about 32 minutes). >We didn't add or remove any music, it will be pure music as it was >played in the swamp. >From now on we'll take orders, so if you have contacted one of us >please do it again (sorry) so we can organise things. > >Hope you will re-live the spirit of the swamp. We certainly did! > >Later! >Marcel >Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels >Swamp-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee >Email :mengels@w... > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Click here for a chance to win airfare to Vegas for you and 20 friends, >$15,000 and a suite at Bellagio for New Year's from Expedia.com. Or >win 2 roundtrip tickets anywhere in the U.S. given away daily. >http://click.egroups.com/1/5296/5/_/24785/_/961418474/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'tom george' Date: Tue Jun 20, 2000 4:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Towards the Evening Star Promo Videos Offered hi paul, i could provide any of the first 3 items in trade. the rest are beyond me. let me know. thanks. tom -- On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:46:18 Paul Fellows wrote: >Hi all, > >A very interesting item has come in to my possession recently, namely the >Towards the Evening Star Promo Video. > >This is an original, in VHS PAL format, 5 minutes in duration. The images >themselves are computer generated, and were shown as a backdrop for the UK >Shepherds Bush concerts 3 or 4 years ago. The music is slightly remixed >from the album >version. The packaging is very basic, the video itself has a simple black >and white label and comes in a plain white card box. The date 24/10/97 is >mentioned on the label. It was a promotional item given away by their ex >record company in the UK, Voiceprint. > >I have 6 spare copies of it to give away in exchange for any of the items in >the list below, first come first served, one item per video. If there are >any copies left after the end of July, they will go up on e-bay and will no >doubt fetch high prices, so get them while you can! > >Here's what I'd be particularly interested in: > >Tang-go, Best of TD 1990-2000 >New CD version of Canyon Dreams (with extra track 'Rocky Mountain Hawk') >New CD version of Oasis (with extra track 'Chia Maroon') >Luminous Visions VHS and CD >Antique Dreams (not out yet, but very soon apparently) >Sony Centre Topping Out Ceremony Score >The Keep (either 1997 or 1999 official versions) >Oranges Don't Dance >I Just Want to Rule my Own Life Without You > >and the following CD promos: > >Midwinter Night >Tyranny of Beauty >Turn of the Tides >Towards the Evening Star (not the Orb remix one) >Marakesh >Cat Scan >Das Madchen auf der Treppe (97 Remix) > >Paul > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GIVE YOUR WIFE A BREAK! Lowest prices on maids, lawn care, carpet >cleaning, painting and remodeling services in your area at our new FREE website. >http://click.egroups.com/1/5572/5/_/24785/_/961429972/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'tom george' Date: Tue Jun 20, 2000 4:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Top 10 TD soundtracks -- 1. Rumplestiltskin 2. sorcerer 3. Thief 4. Deadly Care 5. La Walraff (The Man Inside) 6. Legend 7. The Park Is Mine 8. Firestarter 9. Wavelength 10. Risky Business Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Tue Jun 20, 2000 8:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Covers >(For those interested in Euro 2000: >There was a dutch prophet on television yesterday. He said that he was >certain that Sweden will win not only the match against Italy today but >actually go on to win the entire championship. He didn't say how many >players we need to buy to achieve this though. My guess is it'll be >expensive.) Never believe Dutch prophets! Well done to the Turks on the list (none) and hard luck to the Belgians (Tom). I'd love to hear TD do a cover of that holiday classic The Birdy Song. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grant M Somerville Date: Tue Jun 20, 2000 12:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Covers craig.cordrey@g... wrote: > > I'd love to hear TD do a cover of that holiday classic The Birdy Song. > > > Anything's possible if 'the lad' takes the helm! Agadoo anyone? ; ) Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Christian Villazón Date: Tue Jun 20, 2000 2:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio[Turn of the Tides] Hello I agree. TOTT is an excellent album and it has good melody and interesting Rhythms. And the back effects are good, besides 70% of the sounds are created by TD. The first theme is a beautiful classical theme. I listen to Tomita and Emerson L. Palmer interpreting the same theme, but Tangerine Dream is the best interpreting this classical theme from Modest Mussorsky. Christian -----Original Message----- From: Gabe Yedid [mailto:gabe@p...] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 5:51 PM To: tadream@egroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio[Turn of the Tides] On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Gary Jenkins wrote: > After a promising start with a piece of classical and the excellent > Firetongues apart from Jungle Journey I found the rest of this to be > pretty mundane,A lack of melody and any original ideas which Well I don't know how you can complain about a lack of melody in 'Death of A Nightingale' or 'Midwinter Night'. If you don't like the sax solos I can understand that, but these pieces are certainly not weak on sing-songy melody. And what about the piano solo in the middle section of 'Galley Slave's Horizon'? I think _TOTT_ is definitely one of TD's MORE melodic albums from that time--debates over the the originality of the musical ideas aside, I would have to say that the melodic writing is considerably more developed here than anything on _Rockoon_ or _220 Volt_. And the pieces are more internally cohesive than much of what was to follow on _Tyranny of Beauty_, even if they are more than a little derivative of other artists and styles. cheers, Gabe ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Old school buds here: http://click.egroups.com/1/5545/5/_/24785/_/961451483/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Lambert Ringlage Date: Tue Jun 20, 2000 3:18 pm Subject: Antique Dreams The new CD-release 'Antoque Dreams' will be available on next Monday. Pre-orders can be made now. Spheric Music Lambert Ringlage Messings Garten 7 D-45147 Essen Germany phone/fax. 0049-(0)201-733018 email: lambert@s... website: http://www.sphericmusic.de Kind regards Lambert Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23292 Re: Antique Dreams Whiteley, Steve Sat 7/15/2000 2 KB 23329 Re: Antique Dreams Feldon Feldon Wed 7/19/2000 2 KB 23331 Re: Antique Dreams aoutland@a... Thu 7/20/2000 2 KB 23333 Re: Antique Dreams Radu Velicescu Thu 7/20/2000 3 KB 23336 Re: Antique Dreams Marcel Engels Thu 7/20/2000 2 KB 23334 Re: Antique Dreams Feldon Feldon Thu 7/20/2000 3 KB 23337 Re: Antique Dreams Jim Moore Thu 7/20/2000 3 KB 23338 Re: Antique Dreams Sean Montgomery Thu 7/20/2000 4 KB 23564 Antique Dreams Derk Wed 8/9/2000 2 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Jun 20, 2000 6:16 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Towards the Evening Star Promo Videos Offered Hi all, I have had quite a lot of responses to the below message, but all have offered the commercially available stuff in exchange so far, namely the following four: >>Tang-go, Best of TD 1990-2000 >>New CD version of Canyon Dreams (with extra track 'Rocky Mountain Hawk') >>New CD version of Oasis (with extra track 'Chia Maroon') >>Antique Dreams (out on Monday apparently) So, as it stands at the moment, there are still two copies available, but if you want them, then you'll need to offer something from the following list (not so easy!): >>Sony Centre Topping Out Ceremony Score >>The Keep (either 1997 or 1999 official versions) >>Oranges Don't Dance >>I Just Want to Rule my Own Life Without You >> >>and the following CD promos: >> >>Midwinter Night >>Tyranny of Beauty >>Turn of the Tides >>Towards the Evening Star (not the Orb remix one) >>Marakesh >>Cat Scan >>Das Madchen auf der Treppe (97 Remix) So get your offers in, first come first served! Paul >On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:46:18 Paul Fellows wrote: >>Hi all, >> >>A very interesting item has come in to my possession recently, namely the >>Towards the Evening Star Promo Video. >> >>This is an original, in VHS PAL format, 5 minutes in duration. The images >>themselves are computer generated, and were shown as a backdrop for the UK >>Shepherds Bush concerts 3 or 4 years ago. The music is slightly remixed >>from the album >>version. The packaging is very basic, the video itself has a simple black >>and white label and comes in a plain white card box. The date 24/10/97 is >>mentioned on the label. It was a promotional item given away by their ex >>record company in the UK, Voiceprint. >> >>I have 6 spare copies of it to give away in exchange for any of the items in >>the list below, first come first served, one item per video. If there are >>any copies left after the end of July, they will go up on e-bay and will no >>doubt fetch high prices, so get them while you can! >> >>Here's what I'd be particularly interested in: >> >>Tang-go, Best of TD 1990-2000 >>New CD version of Canyon Dreams (with extra track 'Rocky Mountain Hawk') >>New CD version of Oasis (with extra track 'Chia Maroon') >>Luminous Visions VHS and CD >>Antique Dreams (not out yet, but very soon apparently) >>Sony Centre Topping Out Ceremony Score >>The Keep (either 1997 or 1999 official versions) >>Oranges Don't Dance >>I Just Want to Rule my Own Life Without You >> >>and the following CD promos: >> >>Midwinter Night >>Tyranny of Beauty >>Turn of the Tides >>Towards the Evening Star (not the Orb remix one) >>Marakesh >>Cat Scan >>Das Madchen auf der Treppe (97 Remix) >> >>Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23025 Re : [tadream] Towards the Evening Star Promo Vid Paul Fellows Wed 6/21/2000 2 KB From: horrod6 Date: Tue Jun 20, 2000 7:50 pm Subject: TD top tens OK, here's my two penn'orth (a different female perspective). This is my top ten today, in order of preference (favourite first). I think the first three would probably be the same tomorrow, but the rest are subject to change without notice, depending on mood, weather, activity etc. Phaedre Rubycon Stratosfear Ricochet Poland 220 volt live Hyperborea Logos White Eagle Goblins Club Unfavourite: toss up between Atem and Lily on the Beach I don't know many soundtrack albums, so have difficulty picking a top ten. So here's my top three, favourite first: Sorceror Thief What a blast And my 'unfavourite' - Zoning ...and my favourite individual track has to be 3 a.m. at the borders of the marsh.... It has sentimental associations for me, but I *think* that it would still be my fave without it. I'm glad this thread happened, and people didn't just reply off-list, as originally requested. It reminded us all why we were on the list in the first place at a time when we were getting bogged down in negativity (IMO). So thanks, Roger - hope the shows are a great success. LnH Marion From: horrod6 Date: Tue Jun 20, 2000 8:59 pm Subject: Covers David Foster asked: 'If TD could do a CD of cover versions or collaborations with other musicians what would you want them to play and why?' ... and went on to mention Musorgsky's Great Gates of Kiev. I thought 'they already did - it's at the start of Turn of the Tides'. So I dug out ToTT - but the track's just called 'Pictures at an exhibition', with a credit to Musorgsky on the sleeve notes. So then I fetched out my Emerson Lake & Palmer version of 'Pictures...' - you guys do get me digging around in my old vinyl collection! Promenade has the same theme as what's on TToT - but is it the same theme as GGoK? (Being vinyl, it's not always easy to tell where one track ends and another begins.) And I don't have the classical version. Somebody help? I'd like to hear TD do an interpretation (as opposed to a straight cover) of Vaughan Williams' Antarctic Symphony. I disagree with some previous commentators - I think modern interpretations of classics can work very well. I love Tomita's Planets when I'm in a certain frame of mind, although sometimes it can sound awfully 'cutesy' (quick, sling in an 'IMHO' before somebody gets upset!) I'd also like to see them collaborate with some of the world music groups, particularly the percussion-based ones like Ichiro or the Burundi drummers. You get a lot of layering of rhythm and tone with groups that are wholly or largely percussion, which would give a lot in common. But then you have the extreme contrast between very simple and very complex instruments, and between amelodic (is that a word? I mean 'without melody') and very melodic music. Could be interesting. I'm sure a TD version of an old disco hit, say 'I feel love', or something like Ultravox's 'Vienna' would be good to listen to. But somehow it strikes me as too easy. I'd rather see them try something more challenging, further away from their usual orbit. How about some of Ry Cooder's slide guitar stuff, like 'Paris, Texas' or 'Vigilante Man'? After all, Ry's collaborated with just about every other musician in the world! Craig, your suggestion of 'The Birdy Song' gave me an even bigger laugh than Glyn's explanation of why Euro2000 is not as off-topic as I thought. How about on a compilation with 'Chirpy-Chirpy-Cheep-Cheep', 'Una Paloma Blanca' and the 'Chicken Song' from Spitting Image? And while I wouldn't go quite as far as Orch, I would definitely find it hard to forgive if they touch 'Kashmir' or 'Battle of Evermore'. (What did you think of the versions on the 'Unledded' album, Carl?) LnH Marion np: TD, Berlin, 27/6/76 (Thanks Al!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23029 Re: Covers craig.cordrey@g... Thu 6/22/2000 4 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Jun 20, 2000 9:47 pm Subject: Euro blurb You won't believe this, but it's actually possible to squeeze some TD content into the football Euro 2000 blurb. German ZDF TV was obviously prepared for Germany being kicked out (what a shameful game - congrats to Portugal and Romania!) and had a little retrospective of our national coach's career ready. Background music - 'Le Parc' ! cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23031 Re: Euro blurb Heiko Heerssen Thu 6/22/2000 2 KB From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Tue Jun 20, 2000 10:25 pm Subject: European Invasion Hi Guys please forgive the way way off topic subject but this needs to be said or I will explode. This evening England ( pronounced Ingerland by the moronic minority) was dissmised from Euro 2000. I feel I must apologise for the actions of some of the so called football fans who reeked havoc in Holland and Belgium. I have just recieved news that a good Dutch friend of mine was seriously injured in one of these clashes at the weekend and has undergone major surgery in hospital as a result . I hope now that the failed English team is out ( suprise suprise ) some sort of normality will return to rest of the tournament , and the minority of thugs will have left the repective countries. Good luck to the remaining teams , there fans and most of all the people in the towns and cities who host the remaining games. Best regards Carl . ' Orch ' # ICQ 38818818 N:P Destination Berlin. ' Is there anybody out there ' From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Jun 21, 2000 1:27 am Subject: clash of the titans >'If TD could do a CD of cover versions or collaborations with other >musicians what would you want them to play and why?' What I really would like to see/hear was a collaborations of TD/Jarre/Vangelis. I could be fun listening to what these guys could come up with. They each have a very unique sound and perspective on music. The combination of the abilities of these bands, could lead to something majestic. If I should pick a cover-track I would go for the TD/Gregorian chant-track and choose Enigma's 'Sadness' Jan pergamon@g... http://hjem.get2net.dk/pergamon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23017 Re: clash of the titans Admin. Wed 6/21/2000 3 KB From: 'Admin.' Date: Wed Jun 21, 2000 1:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] clash of the titans What about perhaps Jean-Luc Ponty or Rick Wakeman? I am sure I can think of a few others who would make up a group that would lead to something majestic. Hey what about having Jimi Page as well! -----Original Message----- From: Pergamon To: tadream@egroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 6:29 PM Subject: [tadream] clash of the titans >>'If TD could do a CD of cover versions or collaborations with other >>musicians what would you want them to play and why?' > >What I really would like to see/hear was a collaborations of TD/Jarre/Vangelis. I could be fun listening to what these guys could come up with. They each have a very unique sound and perspective on music. The combination of the abilities of these bands, could lead to something majestic. > >If I should pick a cover-track I would go for the TD/Gregorian chant-track and choose Enigma's 'Sadness' > >Jan > >pergamon@g... > >http://hjem.get2net.dk/pergamon > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Missing old school friends? Find them here: >http://click.egroups.com/1/5534/5/_/24785/_/961550970/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'David Foster' Date: Wed Jun 21, 2000 5:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Covers > I'd love to hear TD do a cover of that holiday classic The Birdy Song. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... > crjc@t... > Senior Systems Engineer > Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 > Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division > Donibristle, Fife, Scotland > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Now there's an original idea David From: 'David Foster' Date: Wed Jun 21, 2000 5:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Covers ----- Original Message ----- From: horrod6 To: tadream@o... Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 9:59 PM Subject: [tadream] Covers > David Foster asked: > 'If TD could do a CD of cover versions or collaborations with other > musicians what would you want them to play and why?' > > ... and went on to mention Musorgsky's Great Gates of Kiev. I thought > 'they already did - it's at the start of Turn of the Tides'. So I dug > out ToTT - but the track's just called 'Pictures at an exhibition', with > a credit to Musorgsky on the sleeve notes. So then I fetched out my > Emerson > Lake & Palmer version of 'Pictures...' - you guys do get me digging > around in my old vinyl collection! Promenade has the same theme as > what's on TToT - but is it the same theme as GGoK? (Being vinyl, it's > not always easy to tell where one track ends and another begins.) And I > don't have the classical version. Somebody help? > I used to play most of the Mussorgsky Pictures music when I was small in a loacl orchestra. The music on TTot is a small part of the whole suite. The original keeps coming back to the same piece. It's worth listening to the original some time. As you may know the idea is you are going around a gallery looking at pictures and as you walk between pictures you her 'Promenade'. Tomita did a good version. From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Jun 21, 2000 7:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] (was Covers) Tomita << I love Tomita's Planets when I'm in a certain frame of mind, although sometimes it can sound awfully 'cutesy' (quick, sling in an 'IMHO' before somebody gets upset!) >> * I think Tomita is a brilliant synthesis, however, I too have a problem with the cutesy side of his work...I must say that anyone sharing these feelings should check out William Orbit's 'Pieces in a modern style' album which is brilliant, and completely lacking the cheese factor... Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23027 Re: (was Covers) Tomita Marcel Engels Wed 6/21/2000 2 KB From: Vincent Goudreault Date: Wed Jun 21, 2000 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 544 > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:13:50 -0400 > From: Christian Villaz$B!-(Bon > Subject: RE: D:Studio[Turn of the Tides] > (...) > Tomita and Emerson L. Palmer interpreting the same theme, but Tangerine > Dream is the best interpreting this classical theme from Modest Mussorsky. > > Christian > Question: why did you reduce Greg Lake to a single initial in 'Emerson, Lake & Palmer'? C.B.V. Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Wed Jun 21, 2000 1:15 pm Subject: Schmoelling Just bought Schmoelling's Wuivend Riet and was pleasantly surprised. Would already rank it as one of the most interesting solo endeavours. I wonder though if he started recording it while still with TD or just after leaving? Could anybody tell me if his other releases are as interesting as this one (how many are there by the way)? /Olle And the mandatory Euro 2000 appendix: (I won't mention the Swedes again but it is sad that the Czechs are out. Any other group and they would have been in the quarterfinals for sure.) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23023 TDI update Radu Velicescu Wed 6/21/2000 2 KB 23030 Re: Schmoelling craig.cordrey@g... Thu 6/22/2000 4 KB From: Radu Velicescu Date: Wed Jun 21, 2000 1:18 pm Subject: TDI update Can anybody figure out what was changed on the TDI site on June 19th, 2000? Or are they simply changing the date to make it look like it's being updated when it's not? Just curious... ******************************************************************************* Radu Narcis Velicescu radvel@r... http://www.romanianvoice.com From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Jun 21, 2000 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Covers horrod6 wrote: > > (...) Promenade has the same theme as > what's on TToT - but is it the same theme as GGoK? (Being vinyl, it's > not always easy to tell where one track ends and another begins.) And I > don't have the classical version. Somebody help? No, it's not the same track. Great Gate of Kiev is much more 'pompous'. Tomita's version of this track is nice, but IMHO it lacks the pompousness that a good classical orchestra can give to this piece. Perhaps TD could achieve that pompousness? :-) Antonio Nunes From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Jun 21, 2000 3:01 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Towards the Evening Star Promo Videos Offered Hi all, No more offers please, all 6 copies are already spoken for! Paul From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Jun 21, 2000 4:30 pm Subject: D: Studio [Turn Of The Tides] Turn Of The Tides holds a sorta special place for me, because it was the very first TD CD I bought. I was browsing through secondhand stuff mainly looking for new age artist's that caught my interest when I came across this CD. I had seen TD's name before, but had never heard their music before, so I thought I'd try them out. Anyhow I didn't have a whole lot to lose, I think the CD only costed seven bucks. I listened this CD one day and overall I didn't think it was bad. But after a couple more spins there seemed to be a track that stood out and that was 'Firetongues', which has become a track that I still like to this day. Well, 'Firetongues' and the rest of TOTT was good enough to spark further interest and I thought I'd try out another one of theirs later on. I later on [Which was not even three years ago and almost six hundred CD's later] bought their compilation The Private Music Of TD and I fell in love with tracks like 'Roaring Of The Bliss', 'Dolls In The Shadow', and 'Too Hot For My Chinchilla'. From there things just sort of have snowballed . I guess you can say 'Firetongues' sure changed my life! Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Wed Jun 21, 2000 7:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] (was Covers) Tomita > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > > * I think Tomita is a brilliant synthesis, however, I too have a problem > with the cutesy side of his work...I must say that anyone sharing these > feelings should check out William Orbit's 'Pieces in a modern style' > album which is brilliant, and completely lacking the cheese factor... > Poly IMO Tomita was one of the best sound-creators... But he should have left out the cheesy sounds. Orbit is very very good, but not as good as Tomita though. (if you can live with the cheese :-)). Marcel From: aoutland@a... Date: Thu Jun 22, 2000 12:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Top 10 TD soundtracks In a message dated 06/19/2000 3:12:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gmroger@y... writes: << Please let me have your Top 10 TD soundtracks >> From 1 (the best) to ten (the still really good): 1. Thief 2.Flashpoint 3. Firestarter 4. Legend 5. Heartbreakers 6. The Keep 7. Miracle Mile 8. The Park is Mine 9. Wavelength 10. Sorcerer From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Thu Jun 22, 2000 8:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Covers >Craig, your suggestion of 'The Birdy Song' gave me an even bigger laugh >than Glyn's explanation of why Euro2000 is not as off-topic as I >thought. Glad to be of service, Marion. >How about on a compilation with 'Chirpy-Chirpy-Cheep-Cheep', Don't have a go at this song - apparently it was my first 'favourite' song back in the late 60s/early 70s when I was a nipper. >'Una Paloma Blanca' and the 'Chicken Song' from Spitting Image? I did think of UPB, but couldn't spell it. I liked your suggestion of Vienna - as a long-time Ultravox fan I'd be interested to see what TD could do with it. I'd like a verson with some form of sequencer build-up in the speedier sections. Perhaps TD could take the 4-minute pop song and convert it to a 20 minute suite? A bit like Bent Cold Sidewalk (i.e. singing at start and end with long sequencer 'bridge'). -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Thu Jun 22, 2000 8:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling >Could anybody tell me if his other releases are as interesting as this one >(how many are there by the way)? As far as I know, there are three other Schmoelling releases : 1988 The Zoo of Tranquility 1990 White out 1995 Songs Now Words The Zoo of Tranquility was re-released in a reworked form in 1998 (?). I don't have this particular version. I'd say that JS has issued the most consistently high quality releases of all the solo output (perhaps Haslinger comes a close second). If you like Wuivend Riet, then I'd say you will almost certainly like The Zoo and White Out. Songs No Words is a different style - mostly 'song' format, heavily piano-based and a bit of a surprise for me when I icked this up earlier this year. Hope this helps a little NP : Serpentine by Hyper[borea] (sic) -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Jun 22, 2000 8:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Euro blurb Klaus Beschorner wrote: > German ZDF TV was obviously prepared for Germany being kicked > out (what a shameful game - congrats to Portugal and Romania!) > and had a little retrospective of our national coach's > career ready. Background music - 'Le Parc' ! Yes, I saw it too. It was 'Central Park', the 2nd track on Le Parc..I thought it was great to finally hear some TD music live on the Telly, this helped me a lot to forget this ugly match against Portugal...shame on 'em!! Heiko From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Thu Jun 22, 2000 2:48 pm Subject: RE: Schmölling Craig Cordrey wrote: >I'd say that JS has issued the most consistently high quality releases of all >the solo output (perhaps Haslinger comes a close second). If you like Wuivend >Riet, then I'd say you will almost certainly like The Zoo and White Out. Songs >No Words is a different style - mostly 'song' format, heavily piano-based and a >bit of a surprise for me when I icked this up earlier this year. >Hope this helps a little It helps a lot, thank you. Haslinger second, hmm, another one I must try then. Olle From: Roger Hartopp Date: Thu Jun 22, 2000 5:14 pm Subject: Re: Top ten soundtrack & Top 20 TD albums Hello again everyone! Thanks to everyone who voted for their Top Ten TD soundtrack albums, to be broadcast tomorrow on Radio Rak in Poland, starting at approx. 10.00pm European time (sometimes it starts a minute or two late), broadcasting on http://ituner.com/rak/rakaudio.html. Twelve folks have cast their votes: Jan [Pergamon], Poul Erik, Chris Chouinard, Bag, Sean Montgomery, Antonio Nunes, Gabe Yedid, J. Gordon, Tom George, Frank Arellano, aoutland@a... and myself. The overall top twenty TD albums for the three-hour show a week on Friday is looking pretty good: so far, 35 of you have now voted. If there’s any of you who still haven’t done so then let me have your top tens as soon as possible. I hope some of you are able take the time to listen to this Friday’s programme as some feedback would be appreciated. All the best, Roger Hartopp ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Fri Jun 23, 2000 7:41 pm Subject: Life-changers (was Re: Turn Of The Tides) plus Phaedream >Frank Arellano >Turn Of The Tides holds a sorta special place for me, >because it was the very first TD CD I bought. >there seemed to be a track that stood out and that was 'Firetongues', which has become a track that I still like to this day. Well, 'Firetongues' and the rest of TOTT was good enough to spark further interest and I thought I'd try out another one of theirs later on. I later on [Which was not even three years ago and almost six hundred CD's later] bought their compilation The Private Music Of TD and I fell in love with tracks like 'Roaring Of The Bliss', 'Dolls In The Shadow', and 'Too Hot For My Chinchilla'. From there things just sort of have snowballed . I guess you can say 'Firetongues' sure changed my life! > Sometimes things like this happen. It's one of the myterious ways life works... My very first TD album was Exit and the title track changed my life for good. Was it a coincidence? I wonder... I am still planning to post a review of Rockoon and 220 Volt if time permits. Regards, Pal p.s.: Did you know that the lyrics of the 3rd track on Phaedream is from Ulalume by Poe? Can someone tell me more about its creation? I don't even know the name of the track because I don't have a tracklist of Phaedream and I don't have time now to search the net. The first two tracks are BBC broadcasts of the Royal Albert Hall show from 1975. But the third one...? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23035 Re: Life-changers (was Re: Turn Of The Tides) pl Marcel Engels Fri 6/23/2000 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Jun 23, 2000 11:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Life-changers (was Re: Turn Of The Tides) plus Phaedream > From: Szatmari, Pal [mailto:koronzon@m...] > > p.s.: Did you know that the lyrics of the 3rd track on Phaedream is from > Ulalume by Poe? Can someone tell me more about its creation? I don't even > know the name of the track because I don't have a tracklist of > Phaedream and > I don't have time now to search the net. The first two tracks are BBC > broadcasts of the Royal Albert Hall show from 1975. But the third one...? That 3th track is from Neuronium's album 'Vuelo Quimico'. Superb album imo and never released on CD... (although it was released on CDR once by its creator Michel Huygen). And the magic went away when Carlos left... Marcel From: Roger Hartopp Date: Sat Jun 24, 2000 1:32 pm Subject: Re: Top ten TD soundtracks - the results Hello everyone! Hope some of you managed to catch the programme on Radio Rak last Friday evening. Here is the overall top ten, and the number of points each album received from a total of twelve top tens received (ten points for number one, nine for number two, and so on down to one point for number ten): 1 Thief (102) 2 Flashpoint (60) 3 Miracle Mile (54) 4 Firestarter (50) 5 Legend (49) 6 Oasis (45) 7 Sorcerer (39) 8 Canyon Dreams (30) 9 The Keep (29) 10 What A Blast (Architecture in Motion) (23) And, not broadcast on the show, this is how all the other soundtracks fared: 11 The Man Inside (L'Affaire Walraff) (22) 12 Deadly Care (17) 12 Heartbreakers (17) 12 The Park is Mine (17) 15 Wavelength (16) 16 Risky Business (12) 17 Great Wall of China (11) 18 Rumplestiltskin (10) 18 Transiberia (10) 20 Near Dark (9) 21 Mars Polaris (8)(Fine album, but it was officially a studio release) 22 Kamikaze 1989 (7)(Edgar solo) 22 The Keep (bootleg) (7) 24 Destination Berlin (5) 25 Zoning (3)(Edgar solo again?) 26 Dead Solid Perfect (2) 26 Hollywood Years Vol. 1 (2) 26 Rainbow Drive (2) (But never officially released!) If anybody wants a transcript of the programme (including playlist, information and credited on-air contributors), then let me know OFF-LIST please. Okay, sorry to bore you all on this one more time, but this Friday is, of course... no... you all know by now. Roger ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23037 Re: Top ten TD soundtracks - the results Antonio Nunes Sat 6/24/2000 2 KB 23039 Re: Top ten TD soundtracks - the results Feldon Feldon Sat 6/24/2000 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Jun 24, 2000 2:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Top ten TD soundtracks - the results Roger Hartopp wrote: > > Hello everyone! > > Hope some of you managed to catch the programme on > Radio Rak last Friday evening. Some net congestion here, but I managed to catch most of it. I liked the way you introduced each soundtrack. And your pronunciation of my name was not bad :-) Nice to see that 9 of my favourite TD soundtracks reached the top 10. > 25 Zoning (3)(Edgar solo again?) Not exactly. Tangerine Dream is printed on the cover and on the CD itself. Some tracks are credited to Edgar Froese and some to Edgar and Jerome Froese. Antonio Nunes From: Jon Johnson Date: Sat Jun 24, 2000 2:58 pm Subject: Phaedream Track 3 Digest Number 547 I've recently been gifted with this sonic treasure. Marcel and most of you hardcore dreamers know better, though I'd swear that the track 3 that's been discussed sounds like a very good improvised Movement of a Visionary with our beloved Monique Froese reciting the Poe poem. How I'm thinking this is because if you listen to the beginning of the West Berlin concert on Livemiles you can hear the same person announcing where they are and it sounds very much like her. Also she was a very active part of what they did in the beginning. >That 3th track is from Neuronium's album 'Vuelo Quimico'. Superb album imo and never released on CD... (although it was released on CDR once by its creator Michel Huygen). And the magic went away when Carlos left... Marcel< -Jon Johnson 'Sign the Mona Lisa with a spraycan call it art, but never let your love my friend, unto a foolish heart.' - Garcia/Hunter Visit the official Jon Johnson Homepage at http://www.mindspring.com/~mrj12/index.html From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Jun 24, 2000 5:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Top ten TD soundtracks - the results Roger Hartopp wrote: > >25 Zoning (3)(Edgar solo again?) Zoning was a soundtrack for a movie in the late 80's. It was performed and created by Edgar Froese and Christoph Franke. In 1995, I guess Edgar got a wild hair and decided to release a soundtrack of the movie. He sat down, listened to the original, and then with Jerome, produced a new CD 'based on' the original soundtrack. The opening and closing tracks are the only ones with credit from Jerome, and of course they are the strongest tracks on the CD. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Jun 24, 2000 5:55 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: Top ten TD soundtracks - the results ---------- >De : 'Feldon Feldon' >Zoning was a soundtrack for a movie in the late 80's. It was performed and >created by Edgar Froese and Christoph Franke. More rubbish! It was performed by EF, with Jerome co-writing the first and last tracks only. Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23041 Re: Re : [tadream] Re: Top ten TD soundtracks - t Feldon Feldon Sat 6/24/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Jun 24, 2000 6:30 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] Re: Top ten TD soundtracks - the results >From: 'Paul Fellows' > > >Zoning was a soundtrack for a movie in the late 80's. It was performed >and > >created by Edgar Froese and Christoph Franke. > >More rubbish! It was performed by EF, with Jerome co-writing the first and >last tracks only. Paul how could Jerome have performed on the original Zoning soundtrack when the movie came out in 1986? Jerome wasn't even PART of Tangerine Dream. http://us.imdb.com/Title?0092299 -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Jun 24, 2000 9:57 pm Subject: Discussion Week 41 - Sunday 25th June 2000 Next up is Tyranny Of Beauty. Please make your subject read 'D:Studio [Tyranny Of Beauty]' when posting comments and reviews. Samples can be found at http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/tyranny2.ram http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/tyranny1.ram Which is nice. Cheers, Lawry lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Jun 25, 2000 12:41 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Zoning To hopefully clear things up a bit on this subject, here's the text from my Zoning page: Despite the fact that Edgar Froese performed all the music on this soundtrack, the album was released as a TD album, because Jerome Froese co-wrote tracks 01 and 13. There is some confusion as to exactly when this music was recorded because the film came out in 1987, whereas it is stated on the CD cover that this album was recorded and mixed in 1994. It is likely that Edgar Froese originally recorded this album himself in 1986, then he completely re-recorded it in 1994 when additional material was added and remixing was done for the official release of the soundtrack on CD and video in 1996. As a result this album bears little resemblance to the soundtrack of the original film. It is unclear if Jerome Froese played any instruments on tracks 01 and 13, although he was in the band in 1994. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23047 Re : [tadream] Zoning Antonio Nunes Sun 6/25/2000 2 KB 23048 Re: Re : [tadream] Zoning Antonio Nunes Sun 6/25/2000 2 KB From: Winston Edmond Date: Sun Jun 25, 2000 1:19 pm Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze fans only I just wanted to publically express my thanks to Michael Jean . Back on June 9, he wrote to this list: > If anyone has been looking for the Magnum America Versions of Klaus CDs > let me know. A shop across the street is having a sale with VERY good > prices (5.00 each or 5 for 20.00) plus tax on several titles (including > the 2 CD X). We exchanged email, I sent money, he sent the CD well packaged and it arrived in perfect shape. It was a pleasure dealing with him. Thanks, MJ! -WBE From: Roger Hartopp Date: Sun Jun 25, 2000 1:32 pm Subject: Re: D: Studio (Tyranny of Beauty) Well, what can one say about Tyranny of Beauty? As some of you may well remember from my article printed in ‘Voyager’ magazine (Issue 16/17 Volume 2, still waiting for issue 18!) I described it as “practically unhummable”. The only exception to this is, of course ‘Catwalk’ (the album’s only saving grace), and, of course, ‘Stratosfear 1994’ (oh dear, oh dear). :( I’m afraid this CD rarely gets a listen, except on those occasions when I put it back on the player (as I did today for the purposes of this discussion ) to see if I’m missing something. Sorry, no! Even ‘Little Blonde...’ and ‘Bride in Cold Tears’ still sound desperately ordinary on TOB, a far cry from the superior DM versions. Rockoon was a bad start; Turn of the Tides promised much, but Tyranny of Beauty was bad. When all looked lost for our favourite band, the Dream Mixes were around the corner along with Goblins Club, Oasis and Mars Polaris. And, of course, consignment of the guitar to the background. This period of Froese/Froese was the pants. Roger (in the process of returning to a normal life away from compiling charts for radio shows) ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23050 Re: VOYAGER Michael A Jean Sun 6/25/2000 2 KB From: Fredrik Sundström Date: Sun Jun 25, 2000 2:18 pm Subject: antique dreams Hi ! The other day, I went into a secondhand recordstore i Gothenburg and gess what? I found Antique Dreams for just a bargain! I thougth that this cd should not be released until the 30st, this was really my lycky day :-). Its quite nice, considering that it has been tangentized np: Antique Dreams Fredrik Sundström Göteborg Sweden Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23049 Re: antique dreams Michael A Jean Sun 6/25/2000 3 KB 23054 Re: antique dreams Gabe Yedid Sun 6/25/2000 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Jun 25, 2000 2:45 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Zoning Paul Fellows wrote: > > It is unclear if Jerome Froese played any instruments > on tracks 01 and 13, although he was in the band in 1994. The CD booklet says: All instruments performed by Edgar Froese. BTW, track 13 (Eyewitness News) can be found also on Edgar's solo compilation album Beyond the Storm, but with a different name (Descent like a Hawk). Antonio Nunes From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Jun 25, 2000 2:57 pm Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] Zoning I wrote: > BTW, track 13 (Eyewitness News) can be found also on Edgar's solo Oops, I mean track 12. Antonio Nunes From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Jun 25, 2000 3:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] antique dreams So tell us more about it... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Fredrik Sundström [mailto:fsundstrom@s...] > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 9:19 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] antique dreams > > > Hi ! > > The other day, I went into a secondhand recordstore i Gothenburg > and gess what? I found Antique Dreams for just a bargain! I > thougth that this cd should not be released until the 30st, this > was really my lycky day :-). > > Its quite nice, considering that it has been tangentized > > > np: Antique Dreams > > > Fredrik Sundström > Göteborg > Sweden > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FREE Credit Report at ConsumerInfo.Com! > http://click.egroups.com/1/5786/6/_/24785/_/961942739/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Jun 25, 2000 3:13 pm Subject: RE: VOYAGER My understanding was that Jason Hopkins decided to make it a web-based magazine...My subscription was refunded long ago.. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@y...] > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:33 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: D: Studio (Tyranny of Beauty) > > > Well, what can one say about Tyranny of Beauty? As > some of you may well remember from my article printed > in ‘Voyager’ magazine (Issue 16/17 Volume 2, still > waiting for issue 18!) > From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Jun 25, 2000 4:18 pm Subject: Re : Re : [tadream] Zoning Antonio, My word, I never noticed that one! I knew about the duplicated tracks with different names on the Tangents box set, The Hollywood Years 1 and 2, Transsiberia, and the other one on 'Beyond the Storm', not to mention the duplicated track names (but different music) on Wavelength/Lily on the Beach, and Hollywood 2/Ambient Monkeys... Come to think of it, they need a proofreader! Paul ---------- >De : Antonio Nunes > >BTW, track 12 (Eyewitness News) can be found also on Edgar's solo >compilation album Beyond the Storm, but with a different name (Descent >like a Hawk). > >Antonio Nunes From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sun Jun 25, 2000 4:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Klaus Schulze fans only I second that, Mike, thanks again. Frank Arellano ----- Original Message ----- From: Winston Edmond To: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 7:19 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Klaus Schulze fans only > I just wanted to publically express my thanks to Michael Jean > . Back on June 9, he wrote to this list: > > > If anyone has been looking for the Magnum America Versions of Klaus CDs > > let me know. A shop across the street is having a sale with VERY good > > prices (5.00 each or 5 for 20.00) plus tax on several titles (including > > the 2 CD X). > > We exchanged email, I sent money, he sent the CD well packaged and it > arrived in perfect shape. It was a pleasure dealing with him. > > Thanks, MJ! > -WBE > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > CLICK HERE AND START SAVING ON LONG DISTANCE BILLS TODAY! > http://click.egroups.com/1/4125/6/_/24785/_/961939424/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun Jun 25, 2000 4:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: VOYAGER on the web ? Michael Jean wrote......... > 'My understanding was that Jason Hopkins decided to make it a web-based > magazine...My subscription was refunded long ago..' With reference to the above I also received a refund instead of the much missed Voyager mag.....has it become web based ???? PLEASE give me the site someone if in truth it does exist ( although I doubt it !) NP Keller & Schonwalder 'Loops And Beats' Phil White Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23061 Re: VOYAGER on the web ? Michael A Jean Mon 6/26/2000 3 KB 23062 Re: BEYOND TH HORIZON on the web ? Michael A Jean Mon 6/26/2000 3 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sun Jun 25, 2000 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] antique dreams On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, [iso-8859-1] Fredrik Sundström wrote: > Hi ! > > The other day, I went into a secondhand recordstore i Gothenburg and gess what? I found Antique Dreams for just a bargain! I thougth that this cd should not be released until the 30st, this was really my lycky day :-). > > Its quite nice, considering that it has been tangentized So, can you give us any hints as to what the tracks Calymba Caly Southend Mall Cool Breeze of Brighton are? And...are there any mastering errors??? :-S Gabe From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Sun Jun 25, 2000 10:12 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream TANGERINE DREAM FOR GLASTONBURY 2001 Just thinking out loud. ' Orch ' ' Is there anybody out there ' From: Fredrik Sundström Date: Mon Jun 26, 2000 12:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] antique dreams Hi again! >So tell us more about it... Well, if you ask for it... here is a review of Antique Dreams: 1 Oedipus Tyrannus Overture 5,36 (1974) Shorter and with some added sounds 2 Ultima Thule part 1 3,23 (1971) This one seems to be quite untouched 3 Calymba Caly 9,51 (1981) Sounds like 19.35 min into the bootleg undulation (Live at Preston Guild Hall 1980) and after a while the track goes on into Rätikon (bootleg, Live in Melburne 01.03.82) (On Rätikon it is just after the White eagle part) 4 Flock of Bluebirds 3,34 (1983) From the 12' single Das Mädchen auf die treppe 5 Speed Dragon 3,17 (1983) From the 12' single Das Mädchen auf die treppe 6 Edinburg castle 8,47 (1980) Sounds like from the bootleg Sea of Dreams (cd 4, track 6) -Edinburg Usher Hall 26.10.81 'Sobornost' 7 Moorland 4,03 (1983) From the 7' single Daydream/Moorland 8 Sorcerer and Thief 6,32 (1981) It say that it was performed at the Mill Valley Film festival in San Fransisco 1981 Sounds allmost like track 4 (Der Wind wiegt die Wellen) on the bootleg Antarktis 9 Southend Mall 4,29 (1985) This track was originally planed to be part of the 'Le Parc' -production In my opinion this does not sounds like some track from 1985! rather something from TD's late 90's (I think I've heard it before, but dont know where) 10 Cool Breeze of Brighton 10,20 (1986) This was performed in Brighton during TD's UK tour 1986 It sound like 'Taking the park part 2' from the OST The Park is Mine 11 Phaedra of Nottingham 5,22 (1990) Performed in Nottingham 1990 during TD's UK tour Sounds most like the version on the video 220 volt 12 House of the rising sun 4,41 (1988) This one seems to be quite untouched totally allmost 70 min! :-) Generally, sounds has been added at the end of the tracks, leaving the material mostly ontouched :-) I hope I havent spoild anything with all this information >And...are there any mastering errors??? :-S No mastering errors as far as I can hear :-) NP(still): Antique Dreams Best Regards Fredrik Sundström Göteborg Sweden From: Chris Richards Date: Mon Jun 26, 2000 12:46 am Subject: Re: Steve Hillage <> I've got pretty much all of his solo albums that he released in the 70's, on either CD or vinyl. The only official release I believe I'm missing is the BBC Radio One In Concert disc that came out back in the early 90's. I like a lot of his stuff, but some of it veers way too close to disco for my tastes. Fish Rising, L, and Live/Herald are all classics, though. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23058 Re: Steve Hillage Craig Chambers Mon 6/26/2000 2 KB 23063 Re: Steve Hillage Michael A Jean Mon 6/26/2000 2 KB From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Mon Jun 26, 2000 1:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Steve Hillage Chalk me up as a fan! I have all of his solo releases too, and have been a fan for years...killer gliss guitar. The Glorious Ohm Riff...what a classic :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Richards To: tadream@egroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:46 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Steve Hillage <> I've got pretty much all of his solo albums that he released in the 70's, on either CD or vinyl. The only official release I believe I'm missing is the BBC Radio One In Concert disc that came out back in the early 90's. I like a lot of his stuff, but some of it veers way too close to disco for my tastes. Fish Rising, L, and [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23063 Re: Steve Hillage Michael A Jean Mon 6/26/2000 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Jun 26, 2000 5:43 am Subject: Monolight and top TD track lists I've been listening to TD's Encore CD, particularly 'Monolight' from 7:39 on (the start of the third movement) and what an awesome track it is! I just love it! One question though, is that the mighty mellotron that sound like horns? I love whatever it is. This is one track that will make my all time top TD top track list. I'll be ready when Roger Hartopp asks for it. How about starting a new thread, top fifteen track lists? I don't think I can narrow them down to just ten! Too damn hard and too damn many good ones to omit! I also think this will be a good way of getting to know our internet friends alot better too. What do you think? Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23060 Re: Monolight and top TD track lists Marcel Engels Mon 6/26/2000 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Jun 26, 2000 6:12 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Monolight and top TD track lists > From: Frank Arellano [mailto:farellano@s...] > > I've been listening to TD's Encore CD, particularly 'Monolight' > from 7:39 on (the start of the third movement) and what an > awesome track it is! I just love it! One question though, is that > the mighty mellotron that sound like horns? I love whatever it > is. Yes it is... Marcel From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Jun 26, 2000 12:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: VOYAGER on the web ? http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jasonh/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil White [mailto:phil_white@c...] > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 11:35 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: VOYAGER on the web ? > > > > Michael Jean wrote......... > > > 'My understanding was that Jason Hopkins decided to make it a web-based > > magazine...My subscription was refunded long ago..' > > With reference to the above I also received a refund instead of the much > missed Voyager mag.....has it become web based ???? PLEASE give > me the site > someone if in truth it does exist ( although I doubt it !) > > NP Keller & Schonwalder 'Loops And Beats' > > Phil White > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4634/6/_/24785/_/961950882/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Jun 26, 2000 12:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: BEYOND TH HORIZON on the web ? http://www.hmnetwork.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil White [mailto:phil_white@c...] > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 11:35 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: VOYAGER on the web ? > > > > Michael Jean wrote......... > > > 'My understanding was that Jason Hopkins decided to make it a web-based > > magazine...My subscription was refunded long ago..' > > With reference to the above I also received a refund instead of the much > missed Voyager mag.....has it become web based ???? PLEASE give > me the site > someone if in truth it does exist ( although I doubt it !) > > NP Keller & Schonwalder 'Loops And Beats' > > Phil White > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4634/6/_/24785/_/961950882/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Jun 26, 2000 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Steve Hillage > > Chalk me up as a fan! I have all of his solo releases too, and > have been a fan for years...killer gliss guitar. > > The Glorious Ohm Riff...what a classic :-) I can 'hear' it right now (in my head at least).... MJ > From: Steven Feldman Date: Mon Jun 26, 2000 6:43 am Subject: 'Moorland' is on ANTIQUE DREAMS! :) >Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:41:50 +0200 >Subject: Re: [tadream] antique dreams >From: tadream@egroups.com >Really-From: Fredrik Sundstrom [. . .] >here is a review of Antique Dreams: > 6 Edinburg castle 8,47 (1980) >Sounds like from the bootleg Sea of Dreams (cd 4, track 6) >-Edinburg Usher Hall 26.10.81 'Sobornost' No way! An official release of 'Sobornost?! Any TANGENT-izing??? > 7 Moorland 4,03 (1983) >From the 7' single Daydream/Moorland Lest I get my hopes up, I'd better ask now: is this or is this not TANGENT-ized? (On second thought, since the original is on EO, maybe a TANGENT-ized version might be okay.) For those who don't know this song, it was more or less adapted for Glaeken's boat scenes in THE KEEP, even though it was not on the TDI KEEP CDs nor even on the German radio broadcasts of KEEP material. -- Steven Feldman -- unhumble webmaster of the fantasmaglorical Chang Cheh website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/ch-index.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23065 Re: 'Moorland' is on ANTIQUE DREAMS! :) Gabe Yedid Mon 6/26/2000 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Mon Jun 26, 2000 3:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Moorland' is on ANTIQUE DREAMS! :) On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Steven Feldman wrote: > No way! An official release of 'Sobornost?! Any TANGENT-izing??? Yes, but it doesn't seem too intrusive (at least from the preview on the TDI site). Some added melodic lines wouldn't be too bad, to dampen the somewhat robotic feeling of the track--but it would have to mesh with the feeling of manic desperation the piece seems to convey. Good to see Moorland finally officially available too... What I'm most curious about is this 'Calymba Caly'. I wonder if this is 'Antennenwald' from _SoD_. cheers, Gabe From: Fredrik Sundström Date: Mon Jun 26, 2000 3:57 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] 'Moorland' is on ANTIQUE DREAMS! :) Hi ! > > 6 Edinburg castle 8,47 (1980) > >Sounds like from the bootleg Sea of Dreams (cd 4, track 6) > >-Edinburg Usher Hall 26.10.81 'Sobornost' > > No way! An official release of 'Sobornost?! Any TANGENT-izing??? Yes, I'm afraid so. > > > 7 Moorland 4,03 (1983) > >From the 7' single Daydream/Moorland > > Lest I get my hopes up, I'd better ask now: is this or is this > not TANGENT-ized? (On second thought, since the original is on EO, > maybe a TANGENT-ized version might be okay.) For those who don't > know this song, it was more or less adapted for Glaeken's boat scenes > in THE KEEP, even though it was not on the TDI KEEP CDs nor even on > the German radio broadcasts of KEEP material. Moorland is mostly tangentized at the end (like many other tracks). Best Regards Fredrik Sundström Göteborg Sweden Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23067 SV: [tadream] 'Moorland' is on ANTIQUE DREAMS! : =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fredrik_Sundst Mon 6/26/2000 2 KB From: Fredrik Sundström Date: Mon Jun 26, 2000 4:06 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] 'Moorland' is on ANTIQUE DREAMS! :) Hi again! > What I'm most curious about is this 'Calymba Caly'. > I wonder if this is 'Antennenwald' from _SoD_. No, I've compared them even though they are alike, Antennenwald is more like Speed on the 12' Das Mädchen... Best Regards Fredrik Sundström Göteborg Sweden From: Roger Hartopp Date: Mon Jun 26, 2000 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 549 Original message from: 'Frank Arellano' Subject: Monolight and top TD track lists 'I've been listening to TD's Encore CD, particularly 'Monolight' from 7:39 on (the start of the third movement) and what an awesome track it is! I just love it! One question though, is that the mighty mellotron that sound like horns? I love whatever it is. This is one track that will make my all time top TD top track list. I'll be ready when Roger Hartopp asks for it. How about starting a new thread, top fifteen track lists? I don't think I can narrow them down to just ten! Too damn hard and too damn many good ones to omit! I also think this will be a good way of getting to know our internet friends alot better too. What do you think?' Yep, I may well ask for favourite tracks in a future show, but not now... probably in the Autumn. I want to give charts a rest! Incidentally Frank, you're reading my mind. Whilst compiling what tracks to play yesterday for this Friday I have the very piece you've in mind from 'Encore'... ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie From: yannick.edom@s... Date: Mon Jun 26, 2000 4:03 pm Subject: Musicain list members CDR project now open Greetings everyone I'm happy to annouce the CDR project is now officially on the run. I contacted Joel Mullen who has got some recordings from the musicians one year ago. I'm waiting for his reply to begin to work on the project. Joe Shoults Will coordinate the project and every questions and precisions could be collected by him through his tadream.net server. It will be the best way to be informed about the evolution of the project. The trees (US and Europe) will be gladly managed by Tom Richmond. Every informations about the trees will be available soon by Tom. So now, every musician list members who wants to be on the CDR(s) project can now contact me and (or) send me their music for the final project. The rule is the same as last year : - One track per musician. - The length is between 2min and 10 min. i can't do any exception just because i want to include a lot of us in the project (hope you understand this). - The format of the music you have to send could be on CDR (the best and cheapest way), or on DAT or on analog tape (if there is no other solution). - For every tracks you have to precise if it's already definately mastered. - And of course write on the CDR (or the other format) the artist's name and the title of the track. As i want to create a booklet for the project i would like to know what you think about a short profile of the different musicians and (or) a photography of them. We could all discuss about this on the list. So, now we have to work all together. For this CDR project we need a title album. I think we could discuss for this and do suggestions. Go for it friends. As the project could be in a list members 'label' we could also find a logo for all of us especially for this project. As the mastering and artwork will be created in my place at Mirage studio in Toulouse, i will add the mirage logo for the contributing work but we need an identity as a team. Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23071 Re: Musicain list members CDR project now open craig.cordrey@g... Tue 6/27/2000 4 KB 23072 Re: Musicain list members CDR project now open Synthhtnys@a... Tue 6/27/2000 1 KB 23074 Re: Musicain list members CDR project now open Carl Kearney Tue 6/27/2000 2 KB 23081 Re: Musicain list members CDR project now open j.gordon Wed 6/28/2000 2 KB 23082 Re: Musicain list members CDR project now open j.gordon Wed 6/28/2000 2 KB 23083 Re: Musicain list members CDR project now open j.gordon Wed 6/28/2000 2 KB 23097 Re: Musicain list members CDR project now open yannick.edom@s... Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB 23100 Re: Musicain list members CDR project now open shoults Thu 6/29/2000 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Jun 26, 2000 6:00 pm Subject: Top TD track lists Hi Roger, I kind of knew that you were already a little tired of the top charts, but I wouldn't mind organizing a top tracks lists. I know it'll take up some time, but it can be a little fun getting to know our fellow dreamers better. I think it would be whole alot better thread than is Antique Dreams tangetized or not for the next month! Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Tue Jun 27, 2000 10:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Musicain list members CDR project now open >Greetings everyone > >I'm happy to annouce the CDR project is now officially on the run. Good news. Before I disappear for some holidays, I'd like to point you in the direction of the GoldTri compilation CDs produced by the old GoldTri mailing list over the last couple of years. You may find some ideas for inlay style, artist biographies, etc. as well as some initial ideas for a 'logo' (we had the Golden Triangle). Tom Richmond did the artwork for one of the CDs, and I the artist bios for both. Between we may be able to offer some suggestios if you have any queries. I'm sure, since Tom's already on board, you'll do well. See you all in about 3 weeks, -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Jun 27, 2000 7:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Musicain list members CDR project now open Well, since the theme will be TD related music how about a title along the lines of 'Tributaries' Poly From: Vic Rek Date: Tue Jun 27, 2000 1:25 am Subject: Oke Swamp CD-Rs Thanks for the nice response! It definitely looks that many have interest in what happened at the Okefenokee Swamp - great music and great times of course. For all of you which sent me an e-mail - I have reserved a copy for you. The CD-Rs should be ready in a few weeks - I should be receiveing the master CD in a few days from Marcel. So please be a little patient and I'll contact you when the CD-R is ready. In a few months we'll start making reservations for the next trip in April 2001 - stay tuned!!! Vic From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Tue Jun 27, 2000 10:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Musicain list members CDR project now open ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Musicain list members CDR project now open > Well, since the theme will be TD related music how about a title > along the lines of 'Tributaries' > Poly Nice one POLY , or what about taking the idea straight from Gold-tri and simply call it Tadream 1. ' Orch ' From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 12:45 am Subject: YES tour (It ain't TD, but it ain't bad) I caught the YES Masterworks 2000 Tour in So Cal last Saturday night. They played mostly the 'masterworks' classics. 'Close to the Edge,' 'Ritual,' others. This Prog Rock group has been around since what, 1968? Right in there with TD. Spacey, experimentalish, some use of electronics. Jon Anderson's angelic voice and unique spirit carried the evening, about two hours of YES. Very enjoyable bass, lead g., keyboards and percussion. Some parts were absolutely awesome and moving. Their latest, 'The Ladder,' is out now. For US $31.50 (plus TM commission, tax, parking, chow and beer of course) I had pretty good seats, mid center orchestra. Kansas opened, playing for about an hour; not near as polished as YES, but okay. Great fun. I couldn't help but fantasize that perhaps some day I'd be sitting in the same seat (or better) enjoying Tangerine Dream live. Alas, I've never been to a TD concert, still holding out hope that I will get the chance. Anyway, YES is heading east, finishing out in Florida I think. Visit www.yeshoo.com for links to schedules and such. Probably plenty of us TD fans who would appreciate being swept away to far off places by talented artists. Enjoy. James Horecka, AIA, Architect jhorecka@p... http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka DataCAD Roundhouse: http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka/DCADLinks.html From: 'Eric Rochon' Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 2:05 am Subject: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Hi folks Here's what I received from my friend Lee in UK!! Tangerine Dream - Seven Letters From Tibet #New studio material by electronic legends Tangerine Dream. Recorded outside of their regular film and studio album work, this album reveals one of the more intimate sides of the band: a very inspired composition in seven parts that does not contain a single drumbeat or sequencer- rhythm. Anyone seeking something out of the ordinary in music will be impressed by the relaxed power of this CD. Released 01/09/00. CD £12.49 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23077 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Jared White Wed 6/28/2000 3 KB 23107 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Sean Montgomery Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 2:40 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Seven Letters from Tibet..... Hi, folks, Hmm, this entry seems a bit suspect, as Seven Letters from Tibet hasn't been released yet and won't be for some time, and I highly doubt anyone has heard it yet outside of TD and maybe some really close friends. However, if this is true, *** WOW!!!!!! *** It sounds FANTASTIC!!! Looking forward to another magical musical journey from TD, Jared P. S. Review of Turn of the Tides coming up.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Rochon [mailto:rochon@i...] > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 7:06 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Seven Letters from Tibet..... > > > Hi folks > > Here's what I received from my friend Lee in UK!! > > Tangerine Dream - Seven Letters From Tibet > #New studio material by electronic legends Tangerine Dream. > Recorded outside > of their regular film and studio album work, this album > reveals one of the > more intimate sides of the band: a very inspired composition > in seven parts > that does not contain a single drumbeat or sequencer- rhythm. > Anyone seeking > something out of the ordinary in music will be impressed by > the relaxed > power of this CD. Released 01/09/00. CD £12.49 From: Bennett Cookson Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 3:47 am Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Rockoon] OK it is late, but Rockoon needs some friends. I, for one, like Rockoon. Although it may not be as strong musically as some TD albums, it is still enjoyable, fun and upbeat. Therefore Rockoon may not be as repeatable (listen over and over) all the way through as some long track TD albums, but for 'Graffiti street' alone the album is worth having. Touchwood is of course a classic. I also enjoy the unusually clean and bright (rather than dark) sound along with all the guitar work - a rare combination and a nice change sometimes. --Bennett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jared White' Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 4:01 am Subject: D:Studio [Turn of the Tides] A bit late, but here it is: my review of Turn of Tides, one of the first TD albums I got and one of the main reasons I am now a devoted fan of Tangerine Dream (particularly their modern era). Ready? Here we go.... 1. Pictures at an Exhibition Dramatic thunderclaps, raindrops, and horse-drawn carriages make up the background sonic landscape as the melodious strains of Mussorgsky's 'Pictures at an Exhibition' establish a mood of classic drama. At the time, this was possibly one of the most powerful album intros TD had done in a long time. After 'Pictures at an Exhibition' draws to a close, the horns die down to doing simple chords and the sound effects begin to escalate in volume. Finally the horns fade away, and a particularly LOUD thunderclap prompts the spine-tingling transition to... 2. Firetongues After the somewhat sterile sounds of Rockoon and 220 Volt, these opening sounds are quite shocking. Large and expansive, with lots of reverb (a first for 90's TD!), a dark and brooding sequence emerges from the echoes of the thunderclap mentioned above and creates an atmosphere of tension and excitement. Then, all of a sudden, that simple, but classic harpsichord melody we all know and love takes over the mix and establishes the first real epic opening theme of the 90's TD album saga. While Rockoon and 220 Volt had featured plenty of TD's now infamous electric harpsichord, the harpsichord of Firetongues is quite different. Piercing, rather than mushy and chorused; full and realistic sounding, rather than having an artificial quality -- the harpsichord of Firetongues is one of the best lead instruments TD has ever come up with, IMHO. After establishing the classic Firetongues theme, the composition takes off in a new direction and Zlatko Perica's incredible Spanish guitar work comes in to move the track along. After a few minutes of intense guitar work and exciting rhythmic sequences, a short transition leads back into the main theme, with the rhythmic elements gone for the moment. Then with them returning in full force comes Zlatko again performing (arguably) the best electric guitar solo he's ever done with TD. The theme finishes, tension builds again, and then bam! Massive drum hit and the piece is finished. Wow. If there was ever a 'TD is back' album, this is it. 3. Galley Slave's Horizon A very odd piece, but one of the most beautiful and enigmatic things TD has ever done. Tympani and low strings start off the piece, with an EP sequence coming in shortly thereafter. Then the harpsichord enters the scene. Soon 'regular' drums come in, and also Zlatko in the background doing some really weird guitar effects. Some more guitar lines come in, and the piece is starting to sound very bizarre when -- all of a sudden -- everything stops. Nothing but atmospheric synth pads in the background waiting for something to happen. Finally, a gorgeous EP sound starts playing a pretty, wistful melody, and, what's this? Why, it's Linda Spa, with some sax effects of her own. The EP continues building the theme, while a real vocal chorus fills the mix with eerie mysticism. Finally, after a beautiful meandering development, the mood changes a bit, and harpsichord, Zlatko on Spanish guitar, and percussion begin the powerful transition to an absolutely phenomenal electric guitar solo by Zlatko and one of the grooviest sequences TD has ever done. This sequence continues on for some time, and finally strange and varied synth and orchestral sounds bring the piece to a perfect close. I LOVE this piece! I just can't listen to it enough! It's definitely on my top 10 TD track list -- no wait, my top 5 TD track list, no wait, my.... 4. Death of a Nightingale A slow and sad piece, this is one of the few compositions of TD's I'd categorize as a lament. Linda Spa's saxophone playing here is exquisite, the melody is romantic and haunting, and, while not my favorite piece on the whole album, it's an excellent track. Which brings us to.... 5. Twilight Brigade Man, if you want to hear TD doing some really cool Rock 'n' Roll, this is the track to listen to. This *blows* away anything on 220 Volt, and features more great playing from Zlatko, cool sequences, atmospheric bridges, and is a superb composition all around. I think I basically like this version better than the remixed version on Dream Mixes II under the name of Mobocaster, but I like them both a lot. 6. Jungle Journey This is the one track on Turn of the Tides where I like the Dream Mixes version better. But it's still one cool track. A brilliant intro (which could have been longer, IMHO) featuring sax, a Moog-like bass, atmospheric synth pads, and *that* harpsichord sound starts off the piece, and it soon gives way to another great grove overlaid with harpsichords, guitars, various synth sounds, and jazzy electronic drums. This piece is a bit of a change from the normal fare -- the whole track is really only one theme! Quite hypnotizing and fun, I think. 7. Midnight Winter A soft, pretty piece that really does bring to mind a midwinter night. Nothing mind-boggling here, but it's a good piece to pass the time with until the album's climax. Which is.... 8. Turn of the Tides Exotic, ethnic voices fade up out of the mist, and a cute catchy drum pattern begins. Guitar effects from Zlatko and fun cheesy sounds start popping in and out, and this sort of jam goes on for a bit before a real theme begins to emerge. It still sounds like a jam, though -- it's easy to imagine Jerome pounding away on the drums, Edgar doing funky synth chords, and Zlatko running his fingers up and down the guitar neck. This is pretty darn fun Rock 'n' Roll going on here. After drawing out the composition, the jam ends and things wind down a bit, with Linda Spa coming in with another one of her beautiful, wistful melodies. Then she fades out, and soft orchestral strings and flutes take the piece to a state of intense quiet. And then, almost out of nothing, a magnificent vocal chorus enters the scene. A gorgeous soundscape is created, and after a little while only congas have joined the voices. Finally, a single bass sound starts establishing chord progressions, and then the most INCREDIBLE fade in of a drum pattern I've ever heard occurs to add an amazing dimension of longingness and emotional turmoil to the music. (It's partly due to the fact that the drums were going on for some time at a really low volume before they faded in to full volume.) After a beautiful little passage of gentle drums, bass, strings, and voices, everything stops but the voices, which trail off into the distance and, finally, disappear. And I'm sitting here in emotional turmoil over the fact that the album is over. God, what a masterpiece! What a work of art! What a brilliant contribution to modern music! I can't even fathom not liking this album. It's beyond my comprehension to imagine not liking this album. It's just an amazing 51 minutes of shear musical majesty! I've listened to it so many times, yet every time I listen to it it's like I just bought it yesterday! If this were an LP or a cassette, I'd probably have worn out by now! Folks, this album is a perfect example of the possible beauty and power of modern Tangerine Dream. Every composition on this album is masterfully done, and there's not one element here out of place. Other 90's TD albums have their faults (with the next one, Tyranny of Beauty, having MANY!), but this one? I honestly can't think of one thing that should be changed. Turn of the Tides is PERFECT. It's a fascinating combination of classic EM, Rock, Jazz, New Age, and Classical influences -- yet it still remains, unmistakably, Tangerine Dream. There's NOTHING like this, folks. Nothing. If you know of something like Turn of the Tides that's 'better', then by all means let me know. But, until then, I refuse to believe that Turn of the Tides, for what it is, has ever or will ever be beat. If there's any period/style of TD's I wish they were still doing, this is it. Mars Polaris is great and all that, but, when push comes to shove, I'd rather listen to Turn of the Tides almost any day. So much for the 'TD's sounded the same for the last decade' school of thought. Posh tosh! Man, I wish I could think of something else to say, but I've run out of adjectives. Turn of the Tides is fantastic. If you don't have it already, buy it. Immediately. And listen to it 10 times over the course of 3 months before you decide whether you like it or not. I stated a while back when the Roger's Top Ten TD Albums discussion was going on that my #1 favorite TD album was Dream Mixes II. I think, though, that if I could only pick 1 TD CD to take with me to some desert island, it wouldn't be DM II. It would be Turn of the Tides. 'No one has ever seen John again. It is said that he really did meet his brother and now lives with the firebirds behind the Veil of Memories.' -- The Coachman's Tales by Edgar Froese Jared Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23085 Re: D:Studio [Turn of the Tides] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Vill Wed 6/28/2000 11 KB 23094 Re: D:Studio [Turn of the Tides] rbrown4856@a... Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 5:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Seven Letters from Tibet..... > Tangerine Dream - Seven Letters From Tibet > #New studio material by electronic legends Tangerine Dream. Recorded outside > of their regular film and studio album work, this album reveals one of the > more intimate sides of the band: a very inspired composition in seven parts > that does not contain a single drumbeat or sequencer- rhythm. Anyone seeking > something out of the ordinary in music will be impressed by the relaxed > power of this CD. Released 01/09/00. CD £12.49 Hi Eric, thanks very much for sharing this with us, it all sounds very promising. I listened to a radio interview that I received as a cdr a couple of weeks ago (Radio Eins Elektrobeats, December 1999), and in the interview Edgar told about an album which consists of 'one chord which lasts for about 50+ minutes'..or something like that. When I heard this I was very curious about it, not knowing at that time that this will turn out to be 'Seven letters from Tibet'. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23084 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Erik Sanborn Wed 6/28/2000 3 KB 23087 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Gabe Yedid Wed 6/28/2000 2 KB 23088 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Marcel Engels Wed 6/28/2000 2 KB 23101 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Gabe Yedid Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB 23110 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Marcel Engels Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB 23111 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Radu Velicescu Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB 23091 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Greg Wed 6/28/2000 2 KB 23095 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... j.gordon Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 6:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Musicain list members CDR project now open > Well, since the theme will be TD related music how about a title > along the lines of 'Tributaries' very nice... i cast my vote into that ballet box... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 9:23 am Subject: Re: Musicain list members CDR project now open hey, yannick... i've got a CDR ready to go to you... > So now, every musician list members who wants to be on the CDR(s) project > can now contact me and (or) send me their music for the final project. do i send it to the address below...? > The rule is the same as last year : > - One track per musician. okay... > - The length is between 2min and 10 min. i can't do any exception just > because i want to include a lot of us in the project (hope you understand > this). 6:25 min... > - The format of the music you have to send could be on CDR (the best and > cheapest way), or on DAT or on analog tape (if there is no other solution). CDR... > - For every tracks you have to precise if it's already definately mastered. > - And of course write on the CDR (or the other format) the artist's name and > the title of the track. It's there... Ionic - From Gulf to Gulf 6:25 the rest of the stuff can be talked about on-list, eh? talk to you soon... j.gordon > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 9:26 am Subject: Re: Musicain list members CDR project now open --- 'j.gordon' wrote: > hey, yannick... > sorry about that all... was meant to go off-list... sigh... i guess even little plugs are better than none... =) j.g __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Erik Sanborn' Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 12:15 pm Subject: Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:52:33 +0200 > From: Heiko Heerssen > >> From: 'Eric Rochon' >> Tangerine Dream - Seven Letters From Tibet >> #New studio material by electronic legends Tangerine Dream. Recorded outside >> of their regular film and studio album work, this album reveals one of the >> more intimate sides of the band: a very inspired composition in seven parts >> that does not contain a single drumbeat or sequencer- rhythm. Anyone seeking >> something out of the ordinary in music will be impressed by the relaxed >> power of this CD. Released 01/09/00. CD £12.49 > >Hi Eric, >thanks very much for sharing this with us, it all sounds very promising. I >listened to a radio interview that I received as a cdr a couple of weeks ago >(Radio Eins Elektrobeats, December 1999), and in the interview Edgar told about >an album which consists of 'one chord which lasts for about 50+ minutes'... TD have already done this type of album. It's called 'Zeit'. ;-) Cheers, Erik np: TD - Exit [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Christian Villazón Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 12:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Turn of the Tides] Hello Jared, Your review is excellent, I am a big fan of this period (Rockoon,Turn of the Tides, Tyranny of Beauty). I can only say one word of Turn of The Tides: Excellent. Christian -----Original Message----- From: Jared White [mailto:jwhite@s...] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 12:02 AM To: Tadream List Subject: [tadream] D:Studio [Turn of the Tides] A bit late, but here it is: my review of Turn of Tides, one of the first TD albums I got and one of the main reasons I am now a devoted fan of Tangerine Dream (particularly their modern era). Ready? Here we go.... 1. Pictures at an Exhibition Dramatic thunderclaps, raindrops, and horse-drawn carriages make up the background sonic landscape as the melodious strains of Mussorgsky's 'Pictures at an Exhibition' establish a mood of classic drama. At the time, this was possibly one of the most powerful album intros TD had done in a long time. After 'Pictures at an Exhibition' draws to a close, the horns die down to doing simple chords and the sound effects begin to escalate in volume. Finally the horns fade away, and a particularly LOUD thunderclap prompts the spine-tingling transition to... 2. Firetongues After the somewhat sterile sounds of Rockoon and 220 Volt, these opening sounds are quite shocking. Large and expansive, with lots of reverb (a first for 90's TD!), a dark and brooding sequence emerges from the echoes of the thunderclap mentioned above and creates an atmosphere of tension and excitement. Then, all of a sudden, that simple, but classic harpsichord melody we all know and love takes over the mix and establishes the first real epic opening theme of the 90's TD album saga. While Rockoon and 220 Volt had featured plenty of TD's now infamous electric harpsichord, the harpsichord of Firetongues is quite different. Piercing, rather than mushy and chorused; full and realistic sounding, rather than having an artificial quality -- the harpsichord of Firetongues is one of the best lead instruments TD has ever come up with, IMHO. After establishing the classic Firetongues theme, the composition takes off in a new direction and Zlatko Perica's incredible Spanish guitar work comes in to move the track along. After a few minutes of intense guitar work and exciting rhythmic sequences, a short transition leads back into the main theme, with the rhythmic elements gone for the moment. Then with them returning in full force comes Zlatko again performing (arguably) the best electric guitar solo he's ever done with TD. The theme finishes, tension builds again, and then bam! Massive drum hit and the piece is finished. Wow. If there was ever a 'TD is back' album, this is it. 3. Galley Slave's Horizon A very odd piece, but one of the most beautiful and enigmatic things TD has ever done. Tympani and low strings start off the piece, with an EP sequence coming in shortly thereafter. Then the harpsichord enters the scene. Soon 'regular' drums come in, and also Zlatko in the background doing some really weird guitar effects. Some more guitar lines come in, and the piece is starting to sound very bizarre when -- all of a sudden -- everything stops. Nothing but atmospheric synth pads in the background waiting for something to happen. Finally, a gorgeous EP sound starts playing a pretty, wistful melody, and, what's this? Why, it's Linda Spa, with some sax effects of her own. The EP continues building the theme, while a real vocal chorus fills the mix with eerie mysticism. Finally, after a beautiful meandering development, the mood changes a bit, and harpsichord, Zlatko on Spanish guitar, and percussion begin the powerful transition to an absolutely phenomenal electric guitar solo by Zlatko and one of the grooviest sequences TD has ever done. This sequence continues on for some time, and finally strange and varied synth and orchestral sounds bring the piece to a perfect close. I LOVE this piece! I just can't listen to it enough! It's definitely on my top 10 TD track list -- no wait, my top 5 TD track list, no wait, my.... 4. Death of a Nightingale A slow and sad piece, this is one of the few compositions of TD's I'd categorize as a lament. Linda Spa's saxophone playing here is exquisite, the melody is romantic and haunting, and, while not my favorite piece on the whole album, it's an excellent track. Which brings us to.... 5. Twilight Brigade Man, if you want to hear TD doing some really cool Rock 'n' Roll, this is the track to listen to. This *blows* away anything on 220 Volt, and features more great playing from Zlatko, cool sequences, atmospheric bridges, and is a superb composition all around. I think I basically like this version better than the remixed version on Dream Mixes II under the name of Mobocaster, but I like them both a lot. 6. Jungle Journey This is the one track on Turn of the Tides where I like the Dream Mixes version better. But it's still one cool track. A brilliant intro (which could have been longer, IMHO) featuring sax, a Moog-like bass, atmospheric synth pads, and *that* harpsichord sound starts off the piece, and it soon gives way to another great grove overlaid with harpsichords, guitars, various synth sounds, and jazzy electronic drums. This piece is a bit of a change from the normal fare -- the whole track is really only one theme! Quite hypnotizing and fun, I think. 7. Midnight Winter A soft, pretty piece that really does bring to mind a midwinter night. Nothing mind-boggling here, but it's a good piece to pass the time with until the album's climax. Which is.... 8. Turn of the Tides Exotic, ethnic voices fade up out of the mist, and a cute catchy drum pattern begins. Guitar effects from Zlatko and fun cheesy sounds start popping in and out, and this sort of jam goes on for a bit before a real theme begins to emerge. It still sounds like a jam, though -- it's easy to imagine Jerome pounding away on the drums, Edgar doing funky synth chords, and Zlatko running his fingers up and down the guitar neck. This is pretty darn fun Rock 'n' Roll going on here. After drawing out the composition, the jam ends and things wind down a bit, with Linda Spa coming in with another one of her beautiful, wistful melodies. Then she fades out, and soft orchestral strings and flutes take the piece to a state of intense quiet. And then, almost out of nothing, a magnificent vocal chorus enters the scene. A gorgeous soundscape is created, and after a little while only congas have joined the voices. Finally, a single bass sound starts establishing chord progressions, and then the most INCREDIBLE fade in of a drum pattern I've ever heard occurs to add an amazing dimension of longingness and emotional turmoil to the music. (It's partly due to the fact that the drums were going on for some time at a really low volume before they faded in to full volume.) After a beautiful little passage of gentle drums, bass, strings, and voices, everything stops but the voices, which trail off into the distance and, finally, disappear. And I'm sitting here in emotional turmoil over the fact that the album is over. God, what a masterpiece! What a work of art! What a brilliant contribution to modern music! I can't even fathom not liking this album. It's beyond my comprehension to imagine not liking this album. It's just an amazing 51 minutes of shear musical majesty! I've listened to it so many times, yet every time I listen to it it's like I just bought it yesterday! If this were an LP or a cassette, I'd probably have worn out by now! Folks, this album is a perfect example of the possible beauty and power of modern Tangerine Dream. Every composition on this album is masterfully done, and there's not one element here out of place. Other 90's TD albums have their faults (with the next one, Tyranny of Beauty, having MANY!), but this one? I honestly can't think of one thing that should be changed. Turn of the Tides is PERFECT. It's a fascinating combination of classic EM, Rock, Jazz, New Age, and Classical influences -- yet it still remains, unmistakably, Tangerine Dream. There's NOTHING like this, folks. Nothing. If you know of something like Turn of the Tides that's 'better', then by all means let me know. But, until then, I refuse to believe that Turn of the Tides, for what it is, has ever or will ever be beat. If there's any period/style of TD's I wish they were still doing, this is it. Mars Polaris is great and all that, but, when push comes to shove, I'd rather listen to Turn of the Tides almost any day. So much for the 'TD's sounded the same for the last decade' school of thought. Posh tosh! Man, I wish I could think of something else to say, but I've run out of adjectives. Turn of the Tides is fantastic. If you don't have it already, buy it. Immediately. And listen to it 10 times over the course of 3 months before you decide whether you like it or not. I stated a while back when the Roger's Top Ten TD Albums discussion was going on that my #1 favorite TD album was Dream Mixes II. I think, though, that if I could only pick 1 TD CD to take with me to some desert island, it wouldn't be DM II. It would be Turn of the Tides. 'No one has ever seen John again. It is said that he really did meet his brother and now lives with the firebirds behind the Veil of Memories.' -- The Coachman's Tales by Edgar Froese Jared ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Just when you thought it was over... http://click.egroups.com/1/6004/6/_/24785/_/962168513/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 1:00 pm Subject: glynn's stuff Hi, just read the last dozen of tadream digests and have to say that Glynn is a real genius with his TD satires. I won't get this TD-and-soccer thing out of my head today, just can't stop giggling, especially about Klaus Schulze dribbling for 90 minutes without any variation... Glynn, you're the born comedian. I put this text on my website, if you don't mind, and think I will open a special section, like 'Glynn's satire corner' or so. cheers to everybody armin Armin Theissen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath Armagh BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 028 3752 29 28 N. Ireland Fax: (+44) 028 3752 71 74 o/ \o_ \ / __ __o |o \__/o | o____ |__ __/ \__/o | / | / o\ / | > / \ /o\ o| << | \o__/ Ouch!!! No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this email From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 1:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Seven Letters from Tibet..... On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Hi Eric, > thanks very much for sharing this with us, it all sounds very promising. I > listened to a radio interview that I received as a cdr a couple of weeks ago > (Radio Eins Elektrobeats, December 1999), and in the interview Edgar told about > an album which consists of 'one chord which lasts for about 50+ minutes'..or Oh my, so this album is going to be _Zeit: The Sequel_ ??? ;) ;) ;) Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23088 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Marcel Engels Wed 6/28/2000 2 KB 23101 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Gabe Yedid Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB 23110 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Marcel Engels Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB 23111 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Radu Velicescu Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 4:01 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Seven Letters from Tibet..... > From: Gabe Yedid [mailto:gabe@p...] > > Oh my, so this album is going to be _Zeit: The Sequel_ ??? > > ;) ;) ;) That would be something different...in fact that would be great! If TD is what they say then expect the unexpected...something I didn't expect for a long time now... Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Email :mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23101 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Gabe Yedid Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB 23110 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Marcel Engels Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB 23111 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Radu Velicescu Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 5:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Rockoon] I agree Bennett, Touchwood is great. It certainly makes it on my all time top ten TD tracks list. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bennett Cookson To: Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 9:47 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Rockoon] > OK it is late, but Rockoon needs some friends. I, for one, like Rockoon. > Although it may not be as strong musically as some TD albums, it is still > enjoyable, fun and upbeat. Therefore Rockoon may not be as repeatable > (listen over and over) all the way through as some long track TD albums, but > for 'Graffiti street' alone the album is worth having. Touchwood is of > course a classic. > I also enjoy the unusually clean and bright (rather than dark) sound along > with all the guitar work - a rare combination and a nice change sometimes. > --Bennett > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Have you seen this one yet? > http://click.egroups.com/1/6006/6/_/24785/_/962166911/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 5:55 pm Subject: D;Studio[Tyranny of Beauty] I was hoping for a big improvement after the disappointing Turn of the Tides but instead got something worse. The CD starts of ok with Catwalk and Birdwatchers Dream but apart from a fair version of Stratosfear and my favoutite track Bride in Cold Tears the rest of it just did not do anything for me at all,at this time I felt TD were on the slippery downward slope, Thank God for Dream Mixes. Cheers Gary. From: 'Greg' Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Seven Letters from Tibet..... > > That would be something different...in fact that would be great! > If TD is what they say then expect the unexpected...something I > didn't expect for a long time now... > > > Marcel > Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > Email :mengels@w... Yah then I wouldn't have to worry about TD's current digital sounding synths sounding so chordy and 'keyed' as the play a melody. I miss the brass sounds such as those on Logos and how they made it sound 'natural' rather then keyed. But hey, if they play one note.. not a problem eh? But I highly doubt it is true! NP: Antarktis.. err ahem I mean Great Wall of China (sounds really simmilar anyhow!) From: Roger Hartopp Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 7:41 pm Subject: Re: Last words from myself before the programme Hello everyone (for the last time now until maybe after the weekend as I'm going away straight after the show, so you may have to wait 'till Monday/Tuesday before the results are published here). This Friday is the show. The Top 20 TD albums as voted by you. It starts at 10.00pm European time (sometimes it starts five minutes later), and is due to finish at 1.00pm, although there is the possibility that it may overrun by ten minutes or so. To answer some points I've received off-list but points you yourselves may be asking: Obviously the programme's content is still a secret at the moment... I'm still writing the script for Friday as well as finalising the running order. As to Frank's suggestion, I may well consider a top tracks programme, possibly in the late Autumn, but unlike this chart where there's only 70 Cd's or so to choose from, we may well have a thousand tracks plus... my worry is that the votes may be spread rather thinly (as they are in the lower part of the top twenty). We'll need more than the 35 who have voted for Friday. Maybe we should ask folks to vote for Top 20's instead of tens? And then I might require some assistance for this... Sadly, Radio Rak is only available on radio locally in Krakow, Poland and on the WWW. You can find it on http://ituner.com/rak/rakaudio.html It's not on the medium wave frequency or on satellite. Okay, I'd better finish writing this programme. To give you some insight, I'll be adding further information and titbits on each of the albums but I'd imagine the majority of you will be familiar with the stories. I'll also be passing some personal opinions, but at the same time ensuring a neutral view (where possible!) So hope you'll all listen to the show and obviously, some feedback will be appreciated. Happy listening! Roger Hartopp Anyway, if you get the chance, listen to the show and see what you think. Regards Roger Hartopp ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Jun 28, 2000 9:23 pm Subject: Hippy Names I was searching the net for 'Tangerine Dream' and came up with this page of Hippy Names: http://www.hippy.com/hippynames.htm Evidently, someone (or several someones) has named their offspring 'Tangerine Dream'. My wife likes TD, but she would definitely draw the line there! James From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 2:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Turn of the Tides] Greetings Jared, I totally agree with your review of Turn of the Tides.I also can't imagine any TD fan not liking this.Chances are years from now people will be looking back at Turn of the Tides and thinking to themselves 'I wish TD still made music like this'. Along with Oasis and Dream Mixes these are the best of the 90's.IMHO! Rick From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 5:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Seven Letters from Tibet..... > Oh my, so this album is going to be _Zeit: The Sequel_ ??? aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh... say it ain't so... =) j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 7:53 am Subject: First impressions of 'Antique dreams' Hi Gang, I received my copy of 'Antique dreams' yesterday (praise goes to Lambert Ringlage of 'Spheric Music' who sent me the CD on the same day as I ordered it via e-mail :-) Here's a short review. English isn't my native language so forgive me... 1.) 'Oedipus Tyrannus Overture' originally recorded and played in August 1974 at the Chichester Festival (UK) for the theatrical play 'Oedipus Tyrannus'. I haven't had the time yesterday to compare it to the longer (10 minute) version I have, but there seem to be some new sounds which were added to this recording. However, this doesn't distract me at all, it sounds fantastic and I wished it had been released in its entire length on this CD. Parts of this track appeared on 'Desert dream', the fourth side of the 'Encore' album. A fantastic opener, no melodies and quite experimental. 2.) 'Ultima Thule 1' the first side of the mega rare 1971 single (Rainer, how much have you paid for the original one? ;-). Of course most of us will have heard this track before (on those lovely...err...'fan compilations' like 'Electronic Orgy'), and I must say that I was surprised to find it on this compilation, because I remember Edgar saying in an old interview that he didn't like it all, they were more or less forced by the 'Ohr' label to put out a single. I don't know if this is true, but it's nice to hear it here in the best possible sound quality. And it's 100% original, no overdubs or added synth sounds! Quite remarkable, I was already prepared to hear some new choir or harpsichord sounds.... 3.) 'Calymba caly' Now this is just great to at last hear some of the old Froese/Franke/Schmoelling live stuff which I thought will never see the light of day. At that time (1980-82) TD played fantastic live music, and most of the stuff they played on their 1980/81 tours was 100% new. This is a 10 minute excerpt which is almost identical (except for the latter part) to the track Jerome played at the Radio Eins Elektrobeats show on Feb.1, 1998 (he announced it as 'Dresden Hygienemuseum 1980'). It was a part of the 1st long set, and maybe one fine day we will get the chance to listen to the entire concert? Would be great... 4.) 'Flock of seabirds' 5.) 'Speed dragon' Both tracks appeared on the 12''-single 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe', which was the soundtrack to the German crime tv-series in 1982. Here we have the original tracks, but both have been given a new 'Ed treatment'...which is ok for me because I know these songs inside out and now there's something new to listen to. 6.) 'Edinburgh Castle' In the booklet it says '...this track was performed as part of the encore of a concert in Edinburg during TD's European tour 1980'...which is wrong. This track was first performed on the UK Tour in *1981*, it was part of the 1st long set which was played right after the pre-Logos intro. Edgar added some new sounds at the beginning (some sort of an intro), but the rest of the music has been untouched which is great. If someone is still reading this, by now you know that I like this cd very very much. 7.) 'Moorland' originally released as the b-side (the first side was 'Daydream') of a single in 1983 (again for the 'Tatort' tv-series). I always liked this track for its atmospheric and haunting sounds, and I guess that most of our Tadreamers already know this song, so there's really not much more to say about it. Great track. 8.) 'Sorcerer and Thief' performed at the San Francisco Mill Valley Film Festival in 1981??? I don't know if it's true because there exists no fan tape of that show, but I think it's just the 'Betrayal/Diamond Diary' track which was played on their 1997 European tour..maybe someone can tell me if I'm right or wrong with this statement. 9.) 'Southend Mall' this song is announced as an outtake of 'Le Parc', but to me it sounds more than a track from the 90's and I'm sure that Edgar has re-recorded this composition. Not a sensation but still a nice track. 10.) 'Cool breeze of Brighton' an excerpt of the UK live Tour which took place in March 1986. This has later been released by Chris Franke as 'Vermillion sands', fast sequencers and guitars...just the way we love it! 11.) 'Phaedra of Nottingham' this is the re-worked version from the 'Phaedra' album which was part of TD's live show and which was first introduced on their 1988 USA tour, here it is taken from the Nottingham 1990 show. Excellent. 12.) 'House of the rising sun' first issued as a flexi disc in the 'Reflex' magazine in 1988, this was part of the encores TD played on their 1988 USA tour. Here it has been taken from the New Orleans Show (McAllister Auditorium, 16.09.88) for obvious reasons when you think of the first line of the original version from the 'Animals' ;-) to sum it up: I think that 'Antique dreams' has turned out extremly well, although I already knew all the songs before...but to many of us on this list (?) there is a chance to discover some really great music in the best possible sound quality. Of course I was hoping that Edgar would include some rare vintage live material, but I gave up hope some while ago because as he stated more than once he's someone who is always looking forward. Buy or die! (to quote an old 'Ralph Records' slogan..) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23105 Re: First impressions of 'Antique dreams' Sean Montgomery Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB 23116 Re: First impressions of 'Antique dreams' Patrik . Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB From: yannick.edom@s... Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 12:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Musicain list members CDR project now open Greetings everyone > Well, since the theme will be TD related music how about a title > along the lines of 'Tributaries' > Poly > I think it be great if the musics included are original. The musicians will surely prefer to create their own music. The final product will be a collection of musical identities of each musicians. That's what i wanted to create with this CDR project. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: yannick.edom@s... Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 12:32 pm Subject: [tadream] CDR project Title Album still to be chosen Hi again The title of the CDR project have to be find. So if anyone have suggestions we can all discuss about it Yannick Edom From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 12:17 pm Subject: [tadream] Shameless Plug hello, all... no excuses... it's a shamless plug... but it's sooooo helpful... =) Ionic is our band... like rubycon, it's improv... direct recording... no rehearsals, no computers, one take... intended to be like live, only without the rehearsed patterns... digitized analog sequences... no drum machines here, boy... our first CDR is now available... there are sound samples on our website: http://www.geocities.com/ionic_ch the samples are only a couple of minutes long each, but a longer sample, made into the song From Gulf to Gulf, is being submitted to Musos... if you're interested, you can download it from here: (this link should be available from the Musos page at tadream in a couple of days, joe willing... =) http://www.geocities.com/j_gordons/fg2g.mp3 but be aware, it's been converted at 160 and so at 6 and 1/2 minutes, it's almost 8MB! (quality and all that... =) Price: only $12! buy one and get another one for only $10... what a deal, eh? (postage is mighty expensive from switzerland and it's cheaper to ship more...) so, give it a try, and hope you all enjoy... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'shoults' Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 1:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Musicain list members CDR project now open I agree with Yannick in the sense that I would like to get to know the musicians here by how they express themselves musically. I already know TD stuff and have heard plenty of covers. Personally, I don't care what you choose to include, covers or not, because we will all decide on what's included by a vote, notwithstanding, of course, Yannick's option to make his own special version. ('Yannik's Picks #1' would be cool) Besides, there's no reason it can't be more than one disk. But if for whatever reason it came down to it, I would personally vote for original works, rather than covers. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Musicain list members CDR project now open > Greetings everyone > > > > Well, since the theme will be TD related music how about a title > > along the lines of 'Tributaries' > > Poly > > > > I think it be great if the musics included are original. > > The musicians will surely prefer to create their own music. > The final product will be a collection of musical identities of each > musicians. > > That's what i wanted to create with this CDR project. > > From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 2:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Seven Letters from Tibet..... On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Marcel Engels wrote: > That would be something different...in fact that would be great! > If TD is what they say then expect the unexpected...something I > didn't expect for a long time now... Marcel, I don't want to rain on your parade so soon, but if you didn't like the track 'Lhasa' from _Quinoa (Extended)_, it's unlikely you'll go for this. 'Lhasa' was mentioned as being part of some 'Tibetan cycle' and somehow I think this is it. If it's all going to be the same style, then those who didn't like 'Lhasa' should probably stay away from _7LfT_. (I never heard 'Lhasa' so I remain noncommittal ;) ) On another note: here's to hoping the Oranje kick some Azzurri butt today! Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23110 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Marcel Engels Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB 23111 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Radu Velicescu Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 3:03 pm Subject: Interesting web site with lots of TD-related info Hi all, I was surfing for some info and came across the 'Agitation Free' web page. Evidently early EM (in Germany at least) was very small world. Check out the band's complete bio, extremely well cross-referenced with later releases of all it's guests and members. http://www.agitation-free.de/AF/e.htm James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23117 Re: Interesting web site with lots of TD-related Synthhtnys@a... Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB 23118 Re: Interesting web site with lots of TD-related Synthhtnys@a... Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB From: katpurz@a... Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 5:14 pm Subject: TaDream Music Project CD I think I'm late jumping into the conversation.... But am I reading right that people would rather hear ORIGINALS rather than Tangerine Dream covers.!? Wouldn't really be much of a Tribute CD without TanDream songs, eh?! Has there ever been a tribute album to someone without their stuff on it?!?! My vote would be for a healthy mixture of Covers and (similarly musicaly) originals... Patrick 'Rubycon' Kurz http://www.audiogalaxy.com/bands/rubycon Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23104 Re: TaDream Music Project CD Jared White Thu 6/29/2000 3 KB 23120 TaDream Music Project CD yannick.edom@s... Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB 23122 Re: TaDream Music Project CD Antonio Nunes Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB 23124 Re: TaDream Music Project CD Feldon Feldon Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB 23126 Re: TaDream Music Project CD Antonio Nunes Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB 23127 Re: TaDream Music Project CD j.gordon Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB 23393 Re: TaDream Music Project CD Rhen, Kris Thu 7/27/2000 2 KB 23395 Re: TaDream Music Project CD yannick.edom@s... Thu 7/27/2000 3 KB 23408 Re: TaDream Music Project CD Phil Wingfield Fri 7/28/2000 2 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD Yeah, but I don't think this *should* a tribute album. I think Yannick wants it to be simply a compilation of music by people here on Tadream list. I don't have any TD-like or even electronic music available to the public yet (I'm working on it!), but I do have several recordings released of traditional music in the Celtic genre. I'm on this list, so I don't see why that wouldn't fit on the CD(s) as much as anything else. If this were only a TD tribute album, then I wouldn't be able to participate! Thanks for listening. Regards, Jared ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 10:14 AM Subject: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD > I think I'm late jumping into the conversation.... > > > But am I reading right that people would rather hear ORIGINALS rather > than Tangerine Dream covers.!? > > > Wouldn't really be much of a Tribute CD without TanDream songs, eh?! > > Has there ever been a tribute album to someone without their stuff on > it?!?! > > > My vote would be for a healthy mixture of Covers and (similarly > musicaly) originals... > > > Patrick 'Rubycon' Kurz > http://www.audiogalaxy.com/bands/rubycon From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] First impressions of 'Antique dreams' Damn you, Heiko...given my disappointment with recent TDI releases, I'd been resisting the urge to get Antique Dreams...but now I've had to go and order it. :-) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 5:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD [covers vs. originals] hmmm... are we to have a controversy over whether the project should include covers and/or originals? I don't think there needs to be controversy. Ultimately, we will all vote on the submission inclusions anyway. How about this: If you have an original work, or a cover, I will link to them BOTH on the Musos page. That is to say, only one contribution will go from each members, but in the meantime, we'll be able to preview both the cover and the original from each submitter. Of course, you dont' *have* to do both, but I will accomodate both and we can decide later if we even care about this question. We don't even know how many submissions we will have yet, so I think it is a little premature to worry about this. The Musos page at tadream.net is down at the moment- I'm getting the new DNS resolved, hopefully today. Joe > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD > Yeah, but I don't think this *should* a tribute album. I ... > > Wouldn't really be much of a Tribute CD without TanDream songs, eh?! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23108 Re: TaDream Music Project CD [covers vs. origina Gabe Yedid Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB 23112 Re: TaDream Music Project CD [covers vs. origina Kees Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB 23119 Re: TaDream Music Project CD [covers vs. origina Antonio Nunes Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB 23135 Re: TaDream Music Project CD [covers vs. origina Kees Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB 23121 Re: TaDream Music Project CD [covers vs. origina yannick.edom@s... Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB 23144 Re: TaDream Music Project CD [covers vs. origina yannick.edom@s... Mon 7/3/2000 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 6:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Seven Letters from Tibet..... That press release that was sent to the list a couple of days ago was legit...the TDI webpage has just been updated with info about the album, and the exact same words are used. Release date is '3rd quarter, 2000). The track listing is: 1. The Red Blood Connection 2. The Orange Breath 3. The Golden Heart 4. The Green Land 5. The Blue Pearl 6. The Indigo Clouds 7. The Purple of all Curtains Notice how the song titles contain the colours of the rainbow, in sequence? Is this Ed and Jerome's tribute to Gay Pride Day? ;-) The (current) cover is also shown...typical TDI blah-ness. Nothing to do with letters, seven, Tibet or the rainbow; just some blue blobby things. It's better than the 'Tangerine Antique - Dream Dreams' cover, though. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 7:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD [covers vs. originals] On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Joe Shoults wrote: > hmmm... are we to have a controversy over whether the project should include > covers and/or originals? I don't think there needs to be controversy. > Ultimately, we will all vote on the submission inclusions anyway. Why not make it a 2 CD set, one disc with original works, the other with covers, and try to cram each one as full as possible? cheers, Gabe mightily P.O.'d that, once again, the Dutch can't amount to much in international soccer. (of course, the fact that Italy are the New Jersey Devils of soccer doesn't help...) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23112 Re: TaDream Music Project CD [covers vs. origina Kees Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 7:37 pm Subject: Re: House Of The Rising Sun <> The Animals did NOT play the original version of House Of The Rising Sun. Sure, it's the most famous version, but it's an old traditional blues tune, probably at least a few decades older than any of the members of The Animals! As I recall, the song is actually about a real life place in New Orleans. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23113 Re: House Of The Rising Sun jowers Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 9:07 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Seven Letters from Tibet..... > From: Gabe Yedid [mailto:gabe@p...] > > On another note: here's to hoping the Oranje kick some Azzurri > butt today! Well...they didn't!!! Fuck! 2 missed penalty's... And I KNEW if it was going to be penalties then it would be over...and it is... Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23111 Re: Seven Letters from Tibet..... Radu Velicescu Thu 6/29/2000 2 KB From: Radu Velicescu Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 10:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Seven Letters from Tibet..... > > From: Gabe Yedid [mailto:gabe@p...] > > > > On another note: here's to hoping the Oranje kick some Azzurri > > butt today! > > Well...they didn't!!! Fuck! > 2 missed penalty's... > And I KNEW if it was going to be penalties then it would > be over...and it is... > > Marcel I would say that the Oranje kicked their own butt today. What an unlucky and sloppy game for the Dutch!! Still, this probably has nothing to do with the subject of the email... except for: NP-Paris 22.11.76 - what's with the annoying guitar all over the place?? At least the second set is guitar-free... From: Kees Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 10:39 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD [covers vs. originals] At 15:18 29-6-00 -0400, you wrote: >On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Joe Shoults wrote: > > > hmmm... are we to have a controversy over whether the project should > include > > covers and/or originals? I don't think there needs to be controversy. > > Ultimately, we will all vote on the submission inclusions anyway. Why not accept everything and then see/hear what's the best stuff? All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: jowers Date: Thu Jun 29, 2000 11:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: House Of The Rising Sun ><Show (McAllister Auditorium, 16.09.88) for >obvious reasons when you think of the first line >of the original version from the 'Animals' ;-) >> The correct venue is Saenger Theater not McAllister Auditorium. I'm sure everybody here has a copy of the AWESOME live CD of the N.O. show called 'Bourbon Street Atari Party'. :):) >The Animals did NOT play the original version of >House Of The Rising Sun. Sure, it's the most >famous version, but it's an old traditional blues >tune, probably at least a few decades older than >any of the members of The Animals! As I recall, >the song is actually about a real life place in >New Orleans. If you ever catch the show 'Behind the Music' on VH-1 about Eric Burdon, it has a whole segment about the song and it shows him in New Orleans at the actual 'House of the Rising Sun'. Kevin kvjowers@i... From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 8:16 am Subject: Seven letters from Tibet Hi Tadreamers, some of you may have already noticed this recent entry in the TD guestbook (see below)....but where the hell did he get a 'promo version' several months before its official release? Heiko 'From Andreas at Wed, 28/Jun/00 22:08: Recently I had the possibility to get a promo version of 'The seven letters from Tibet'. It is a very solemn music and offen melancholic, completely different from 'Great wall of China' and 'Mars Polaris', but I like that very much from TD. Unfortunately the track no. 5 (the blue pearl) contains 'Lhasa' from 'Quinoa extended', why ?' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23115 Re: Seven letters from Tibet Mike Jackson Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB 23455 Seven letters from Tibet NEUMANN.H-J@t... Tue 8/1/2000 2 KB 23456 Re: Official spam: Dream Mixes Special Event!!!!! TDI - Martin K. Tue 8/1/2000 3 KB 24008 Seven letters from Tibet Bert.Hulshoff@N... Mon 9/18/2000 2 KB From: 'Mike Jackson' Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 8:10 am Subject: Re: Seven letters from Tibet --- In tadream@egroups.com, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Hi Tadreamers, > some of you may have already noticed this recent entry in the TD > guestbook (see below)....but where the hell did he get a 'promo version' > several months before its official release? > Heiko > > 'From Andreas at Wed, 28/Jun/00 22:08: > Recently I had the possibility to get a promo version of 'The seven > letters from Tibet'. It is a very solemn music and offen melancholic, > completely different from 'Great wall of China' and 'Mars Polaris', but > I like that very much from TD. Unfortunately the track no. 5 (the blue > pearl) contains 'Lhasa' from 'Quinoa extended', why ?' IIRC the inlay for 'Quinoa Extended' said that 'Lhasa' was from an so far unreleased set of music (perhaps it even mentioned Tibet, been a while since I read it). But, it was not a piece I enjoyed listening to. mike From: 'Patrik .' Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] First impressions of 'Antique dreams' Hey T-Dreamers! Thank you Heiko for a very nice and interesting review of Antique Dreams. I had my doubts earlier but now I´m quite sure I´m going to buy AD. If there is anoyone in the London area who wants to have a beer and a chat I´ll be staying quite near Earls Court July 19:th and then go back to Stockholm July 20:th. We could always discuss tangentizing... :-D np: Dolphin Dance from Antarktis (with that magnificent change of key after the sampled jet-engine scream....if y´know what I mean!) Have a nice weekend Patrik, Stockholm, La Suede ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 9:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Interesting web site with lots of TD-related info << I was surfing for some info and came across the 'Agitation Free' web page. Evidently early EM (in Germany at least) was very small world. Check out the band's complete bio, extremely well cross-referenced with later releases of all it's guests and members.>> * That was absolutely amazing, thank you very much for the URL, James... Poly From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 9:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Interesting web site with lots of TD-related info *Another snip from the Tadream page.... This is well worth checking out for any fan of classic Berlin School.... Franke, Hoenig, among others.. Poly << Hi all, I was surfing for some info and came across the 'Agitation Free' web page. Evidently early EM (in Germany at least) was very small world. Check out the band's complete bio, extremely well cross-referenced with later releases of all it's guests and members. http://www.agitation-free.de/AF/e.htm James >> From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 10:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD [covers vs. originals] Kees wrote: > > Why not accept everything and then see/hear what's the best stuff? Will we have a new Slice of Kees on this CD? :-) Antonio Nunes np: Kees Aerts - Slices of Time Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23135 Re: TaDream Music Project CD [covers vs. origina Kees Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB From: yannick.edom@s... Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 11:29 am Subject: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD Greetings everyone The very first idea for the project is simple. The concept is a compilation with music composed and performed by the musician list members. By this project we can all do our own music and share it with the other friends on the lists. The music we composed is the mirror of our expressive arts and so our personality and sensibility. In the begining, the idea of a TD tribute wasn't on. I think creating a TD tribute CDR is not a necessary simply because of the two previous ones already released. But why not working on it after this first project ? BTW, i will receive soon the musics Joel Mullen got one year ago. So the project is in a current good condition. Everyone who wants to be part of it can still contact me or Joe Shoults. We still have to decide about the album Title. Any suggestion ? Friendly from France. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: yannick.edom@s... Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 11:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD [covers vs. originals] > > Kees wrote: > > > > Why not accept everything and then see/hear what's the best stuff? > > Will we have a new Slice of Kees on this CD? :-) > > Antonio Nunes > I hope so. i remember that Lambert Ringlage sent a track to Joel Mullen last year, i hope Kees will be part of our project. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 10:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD katpurz@a... wrote: > > Has there ever been a tribute album to someone without their stuff on > it?!?! Yes, there was - The Network 388 cassette, with music by the members of the old tadream@c... list. IMHO, what matters is that it's music influenced by TD. And probably every musician on this list has been influenced by TD, except perhaps Jared when he plays Celtic music ;-) Antonio Nunes np: Kees Aerts - Slices of Time From: 'Patrik .' Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 3:49 pm Subject: Re: Steinberg software and music projects Okay this is OT, but does anyone have Steinberg Cubase or Cubasis or Cubasis VST? (which I´m really interested in) Since Cubasis VST has got a inbuilt CD-burner I figured that would be great in future projects such as the Tadream musicians... Name suggestions: How about 'dream mirror' or 'a maze of dreams' Ciao Patrik, Stockholm ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23128 Re: Steinberg software and music projects j.gordon Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 12:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD Let's clear things up. a Tribute album contains covers, or re-worked versions of an artist's songs. 'Tangerine Ambience' and 'Tangerine Ambience II' are the only examples I know of this for Tangerine Dream. Network 388 is a cassette tape of music by *fans* of Tangerine Dream with TD-inspired music. -Morgan >From: Antonio Nunes >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD >Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:41:25 +0100 > > > >katpurz@a... wrote: > > > > Has there ever been a tribute album to someone without their stuff on > > it?!?! > >Yes, there was - The Network 388 cassette, with music by the members of >the old tadream@c... list. > >IMHO, what matters is that it's music influenced by TD. And probably >every musician on this list has been influenced by TD, except perhaps >Jared when he plays Celtic music ;-) > >Antonio Nunes > >np: Kees Aerts - Slices of Time > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 12:38 pm Subject: TaDream Music Project Name Hmm I thought about this a bit.. at first I tried to find what chemical causes paralysis during REM sleep but I couldn't.. so I tried my second best one: Melatone'n =o) Greg H. NP: Dwelling of Doom (Castlevania Symphonic ST) From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD Feldon Feldon wrote: > > Let's clear things up. a Tribute album contains covers, or re-worked > versions of an artist's songs. 'Solstice: Tributo a Jarre' was released as a tribute to Jarre, but it contains original music, not Jarre covers. > 'Tangerine Ambience' and 'Tangerine Ambience > II' are the only examples I know of this for Tangerine Dream. 'Tangerine Ambience' includes also an original track by Conrad Schnitzler. Anyway, I don't care if a tribute album should contain original music or covers. Antonio Nunes np: Arcane - Future Wreck From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD > We still have to decide about the album Title. Any suggestion ? i liked the name 'Tributaries'... however, with the current discussion concerning covers vs. original works, maybe the Tribut part of Tribuatries is mis-leading... how about 'Sythesis'? j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 2:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Steinberg software and music projects ciao, patrick > Okay this is OT, but does anyone have Steinberg Cubase or Cubasis or Cubasis > VST? (which I´m really interested in) yeah, as a matter of fact, Ionic was using Cubasis AV and it was really not filling our needs, although it is a good starter product... our copy of Cubase 5 will arrive next week (along with a new computer to run it on, and a nice break-out box to go with the audio card)... we had a demo last week at a Steinberg Training Facility, and it is kick ass... audio tracks along with midi... enough plug-ins to fell a horse and really nice equalization... we're getting the professional pack along with the mastering software... just enough to get the job done... =) ciao j.gordon http:/www.geocities.com/ionic_ch __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: Roger Hartopp Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 9:36 pm Subject: So, what do you think of it so far? Hello everyone! It's 11.34pm here in Poland, and I'm writing this while 'Phaedra' is playing. So what do you think of the programme so far (apart from the fact my voice is slightly affected by a cold). By all means, write in at my gmroger address above, and any messages I receive during the programme will be aired. Hope to hear from at least one of you soon! Roger Hartopp ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23130 Re: So, what do you think of it so far? Nick Adams Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB 23131 Re: So, what do you think of it so far? Antonio Nunes Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB 23133 Re: So, what do you think of it so far? Antonio Nunes Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB 23134 Re: So, what do you think of it so far? Michael.Woelm@f... Fri 6/30/2000 2 KB From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 9:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] So, what do you think of it so far? > Hello everyone! > > It's 11.34pm here in Poland, and I'm writing this > while 'Phaedra' is playing. So what do you think of > the programme so far (apart from the fact my voice is > slightly affected by a cold). By all means, write in > at my gmroger address above, and any messages I > receive during the programme will be aired. > > Hope to hear from at least one of you soon! > > Roger Hartopp Roger what is the site web address again ? From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 10:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] So, what do you think of it so far? Nick Adams wrote: > > Roger what is the site web address again ? Roger must be busy with the 20 albums, so I'll answer to this. Here is the URL: http://ituner.com/rak/rakaudio.html Click on 'Stereo'. Antonio Nunes From: 'nitrochild ' Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 10:12 pm Subject: you've got to hear this (mp3) http://212.158.20.148/music/charts/warning.cfm?track=2195 From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 10:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] So, what do you think of it so far? Roger Hartopp wrote: > > Hello everyone! > > It's 11.34pm here in Poland, and I'm writing this > while 'Phaedra' is playing. So what do you think of > the programme so far (apart from the fact my voice is > slightly affected by a cold). By all means, write in > at my gmroger address above, and any messages I > receive during the programme will be aired. > > Hope to hear from at least one of you soon! Some 'net congestion' here in Madeira, but I'm enjoying the show nonetheless. WHAT, LOGOS ONLY REACHED NUMBER 8? ;-) Antonio Noonesh From: Michael.Woelm@f... Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 11:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] So, what do you think of it so far? Roger Hartopp wrote: > > Hello everyone! > > It's 11.34pm here in Poland, and I'm writing this > while 'Phaedra' is playing. So what do you think of > the programme so far (apart from the fact my voice is > slightly affected by a cold). By all means, write in > at my gmroger address above, and any messages I > receive during the programme will be aired. > > Hope to hear from at least one of you soon! > > Roger Hartopp Hi Roger, great show! :-) I've heard Ricochet probably hundreds of times, but the piano intro of part two gets me every time again :-) (not to speak of the rest of this masterpiece...) - Michael (listening from Germany) From: Kees Date: Fri Jun 30, 2000 11:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD [covers vs. originals] At 11:23 30-6-00 +0100, you wrote: >Kees wrote: > > > > Why not accept everything and then see/hear what's the best stuff? > >Will we have a new Slice of Kees on this CD? :-) Well, who knows? :-) Just a remark: if you just include new material then you don't have to worry about copyrights. With covers you do have that problem. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Jul 1, 2000 12:22 pm Subject: TD tracks Does anyone know what tracks were aired on Roger Hartopp's program and in what order? Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'shoults' Date: Sat Jul 1, 2000 5:20 pm Subject: tadream.net could a couple of you please check http://www.tadream.net and reply to mailto:shoults@s...? (working out bugs) Thanks, joe From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Sat Jul 1, 2000 7:19 pm Subject: On UK TV Tonight Hi On Channel 5 tonight (sat) at 10:40 is the film Theif from 1981, i dont need to say who did the soundtrack ;-) Just thought i would let any interested parties know ! Nick Home Nick.Adams@e... Work Nick.Adams@p... ICQ 44174543 From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Jul 1, 2000 8:31 pm Subject: Heads up for UK readers... Thief is showing on Channel 5 in just over an hour at 10:40... probably too late telling you this now.. lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Jul 2, 2000 9:02 am Subject: Discussion Week 42 - Sunday 2nd July 2000 This week is a double week. We're after Disc 5 of the Tangents box set (the disc with all new material on), and the Rumplestiltskin soundtrack. Please make your subject read either 'D:Studio [Tangents]' or 'D:Soundtrack [Rumplestiltskin]' as appropriate. Regards, Lawry Simm lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Jul 2, 2000 3:22 pm Subject: [tadream] Tang-go Hi all, Has anyone noticed that the subtitle of 'Tang-go' has changed from 'The Best of Tangerine Dream' to 'The World of Tangerine Dream' or vice versa? I wonder why? The TDI mall pages have a different version than the one on the official site! Can anyone who has a copy of this compilation let me know what is written on the front? Thanks Have a look at the following page for more info: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/tanggo.html Paul From: 'James Chapman' Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 5:03 am Subject: for those who missed the show... Many apologies to Roger for amnaging to miss the radio broadcast....I was just really wanting to know what the results of the afvourite album poll, that's all ( and to see how many of my top 10 got in :-) ) Cheers James ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Vic Rek Date: Sun Jul 2, 2000 11:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tang-go Hi Paul, Mine says 'The Best of'. You see this when your pacakge arrives :) Vic Paul Fellows wrote: > > Hi all, > > Has anyone noticed that the subtitle of 'Tang-go' has changed from 'The Best > of Tangerine Dream' to 'The World of Tangerine Dream' or vice versa? I > wonder why? The TDI mall pages have a different version than the one on the > official site! Can anyone who has a copy of this compilation let me know > what is written on the front? > > Thanks > > Have a look at the following page for more info: > > http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/tanggo.html > > Paul > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Lonely? Get Firetalk! > Free, unlimited calls anywhere in the world. > Free voice chat on hundreds of topics. > http://click.egroups.com/1/5477/6/_/24785/_/962551331/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: yannick.edom@s... Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 7:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD [covers vs. originals] > > > >Will we have a new Slice of Kees on this CD? :-) > > Well, who knows? :-) > > Just a remark: if you just include new material then you don't have to > worry about copyrights. With covers you do have that problem. > > > All the best. > > Kees > I agree with Kees. If we create a cover version of TD music, we willsurely have trouble with the copyrights. That's another reason that i would like to create a very original music CDR. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: Lambert Ringlage Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 11:07 am Subject: CDR project I just read some emails on the point of making a tribute CD or not. As Kees said it could be difficult to release T.D.-songs as they need a permission by TDI (which would take charges). So I prefer artist-composed songs too. Perhaps we can think about a Berlin School-influenced CD project. The artists get the chance to release their own titles, but the listener can be sure that it is traditional electronic (T.D. fans should like it too). Sorry for my bad English. I hope I could express my views well. Kind regards Lambert Ringlage Messings Garten 7 D-45147 Essen Germany email: lambert@s... From: 'tom george' Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 12:52 pm Subject: canyon dreams...attn: collectors my world geography is poor so help me out here. i recently aquired the lp of 'Canyon Dreams'. it is on blue swirl vinyl. on the cover it says Tangy Records distributed by Hymnbar limited of Cyprus. on the vinyl itself it says Made in France. so with my limited geography skills i ma thinking that Cyprus is a colony of France. right? anyway on to the record. here is the track listings and times. side one 1. shadow flyer 7:05 2. canyon carver 4:15 3. a matter of time 8:42 side two 1. water's gift 5:21 2. canyon voices 4:23 3. sudden revelation 4:48 4. native discovery 5:13 now here is the cd listing from the miramar cd. 1. shadow flyer 5:53 2. canyon carver 4:17 3. water's gift 5:24 4. canyon voices 4:26 5. sudden revelation 4:46 6. a matter of time 8:53 7. purple nightfall 2:04 8. colorado dawn 4:26 and of course the TDI version includes 9. rocky mountain hawk 5:05 first you will notice that the first cut (shadow flyer)is a minute and 12 seconds longer. to my ears this seems to be a completely different mix. it seems alot more analog sounding. it is really awesome and so much better then the cd version. alot of changes and chuff chuff sounds. unbelievable. second you will see that a couple songs are missing from the lp and one is added. native discovery anyone? the seller of this lp said that it was made in several colors and the blue one i have is a limited run of 200. i would love some history of this lp and how the different mixes came about. anyone else own this? klaus, vic, rainer, paul ???? Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23147 Re: canyon dreams...attn: collectors Heiko Heerssen Mon 7/3/2000 2 KB 23150 Re: canyon dreams...attn: collectors Marcel Engels Mon 7/3/2000 2 KB 23151 Re: canyon dreams...attn: collectors kmu9978842@a... Mon 7/3/2000 2 KB 23165 canyon dreams...attn: collectors Klaus Beschorner Tue 7/4/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 1:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] canyon dreams...attn: collectors tom george wrote: > my world geography is poor so help me out here. i recently aquired the lp of 'Canyon Dreams'. it is on blue swirl vinyl. on the cover it says Tangy Records distributed by Hymnbar limited of Cyprus. on the vinyl itself it says Made in France. so with my limited geography skills i ma thinking that Cyprus is a colony of France. right? What you are holding in your hands is a bootleg album which has nothing to do with Tangerine Dream's official releases. Heiko From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 1:49 pm Subject: Tadream list-member music compilation title Greg Wrote: From: 'Greg' Subject: TaDream Music Project Name Hmm I thought about this a bit.. at first I tried to find what chemical causes paralysis during REM sleep but I couldn't.. so I tried my second best one: Melatone'n Or how about a bad pun on that: Mellow Tonin' (okay, so it sounds more like a Jazz album...) James From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 1:59 pm Subject: another possible title for the CD project How about: Hallucinotronic Synthesis Taken from: Hallucinogen: A drug that induces dreams (includes the nod of acknowledgement to TD for their influence on our music) merged with the last part of Electronic and Synthesis: the process of creating something from smaller parts (it's also a play on 'synthesizer'), which is exactly what's happening! James From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 4:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] canyon dreams...attn: collectors > From: tom george [mailto:eloy-usa@a...] > > my world geography is poor so help me out here. i recently > aquired the lp of 'Canyon Dreams'. it is on blue swirl vinyl. on > the cover it says Tangy Records distributed by Hymnbar limited of > Cyprus. on the vinyl itself it says Made in France. so with my > limited geography skills i ma thinking that Cyprus is a colony of > France. right? > anyway on to the record. here is the track listings and times. :-) No Cyprus isn't a colony of France. (I think, I hope). One half is of Greece and the other (military) half is of Turkey. I've been there on vacation this year...nice island. No help on the LP though. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Email :mengels@w... From: kmu9978842@a... Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 5:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] canyon dreams...attn: collectors In a message dated 03/07/00 18:15:33 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit, mengels@w... writes: << :-) No Cyprus isn't a colony of France. (I think, I hope). One half is of Greece and the other (military) half is of Turkey. I've been there on vacation this year...nice island. No help on the LP though. >> Not so, Cyprus is an sovereign independant country in it's own right although it's people are of both Greek and Turkish origin. The island was partitioned 30 years ago as a result of a Turkish military invasion of the East of the island. To this day Turkey still illegally occupies what is sovereign Cypriot territory. Kelvin From: Roger Hartopp Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 5:31 pm Subject: The results from that radio show Hello everyone! At the moment I'm pretty flu-ridden (so my rather different voice from last weekend was the beginning of the Grypa (Polish for flu). Anyway, I'd better publish the results, along with the tracks played on the programme (for the benefit of Frank and one or two others): 1 Tangram (201 points)- Tangram Set 1 (first 7.40) 2 Ricochet (121) - Ricochet Part 2 (first 8.00) 3 Poland (113) - Barbakane (Warsaw in the Sun and last few minutes not available on any official European release) 4 Encore (105) - Monolight (from 7.40 to 16.50) 5 Rubycon (101) - Rubycon part 2 (from 3.50 to 16.50) 6 Force Majeure (94) - Cloudburst Flight 7 Stratosfear (90) - Stratosfear 8 Logos (88) - Logos Part 1 (from 20.00 to 25.35) 9 Pergamon (87) - Quichotte Part 1 (up to 11.20) 10 Phaedra (83) - Phaedra (up to 10.28) 11 Underwater Sunlight (77) - Song of the Whale, Part 2 - to dusk (up to 9.45) 12 Livemiles (58) - Livemiles Part 2 (from 17.50 to 26.46) 13 White Eagle (50) - White Eagle 14 Mars Polaris (43) - Comets' Figure Head 15 Goblins Club (42) - Elf June and the Midnight Patrol 16 Dream Mixes 1 (42) - Firetongues 17 Exit (37) - Choronzon 18 Melrose (34) - Art of Vision 19 Tyger (32) - Smile 20 Green Desert (30) - Green Desert (up to 10.55) And then the rest: 21 Optical Race (27) 22 220 Volt (26) 23 Le Parc (25) 24 Timesquare – Dream Mixes 2 (22) 25 Thief (19) 25 Oasis (19) 27 Tournado (17) 28 Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (16) 29 What A Blast-Architecture in Motion (15) 30 Cyclone (14) 30 Zeit (14) 32 Hyperborea (13) 32 Sorcerer (13) 34 Dream Dice EP (11) 34 Turn of the Tides (11) 36 The Keep (10) 37 Flashpoint (9) 37 Lily on the Beach (9) 39 Atem (8) 39 Miracle Mile (8) 41 Canyon Dreams (7) 41 Near Dark (7) 43 Macular Transfer (6) 43 Rumplestiltskin (6) 43 Soundmill Navigator (6) 43 Valentine Wheels (6) 47 Destination Berlin (5) 47 Legend (5) 47 Rockoon (5) 47 Tyranny of Beauty (5) 51 Dream Encores (4) 51 Heartbreakers (4) 51 Tangents 5 (Vulcano) (4) 51 Wavelength (4) 55 Great Wall of China (3) 56 Firestarter (2) 57 Dream Roots Disc 5 (1) I'll quote some of my radio programme to explain a few things: 'Now, in all, thirty-five people voted for their favourite Tangerine Dream albums. I asked them to list them in a top ten order and in turn, I gave ten points for a number one, nine for a number two – and so on, all the way to number ten, which was given one point. So, in all, there were a total of 1925 points to be given out among the albums. In the event of two albums with an equal number of points within the top twenty, which did happen [Goblins Club & Dream Mixes]unfortunately, then the number of people who cast a vote for the album, would come into account.' [Dream Mixes received votes from six people, Goblins Club 8] I'll also publish my overview of the programme, and see if I've got it right or I'm about to be flamed... 'One of my biggest problems in compiling the chart – particularly with the dominance of the Virgin albums – was that a lot of their earlier material was made up of tracks lasting one side of the old vinyl, sometimes both sides. So in a lot of cases, I’ve had to play extracts from these tracks, an act which for some fans would be sacrilege, but what else can one do within the confines of a three-hour programme? [As a matter of interest, the programme overran by 15 minutes] So, what can we glean from the results? Depending on your point of view, it seems that a lot of fans are either stuck in the past, but why? One reason may have been the difference factor at the time. Nobody else was doing the kind of music being played, so the band were very different to any other rock or pop group at the time. A lot of fans are also keen on the long tracks that were a feature of the band’s albums throughout the seventies and up to the mid-eighties, another reason why albums such as Pergamon and Poland have been so successful in our chart. The band did put out a more recent effort at a long track, but Quinoa surprisingly failed to surface in the chart, despite favourable fan comment. With all but two of the Virgin studio albums failing to reach the top seventeen, and as far as more recent material, it’s only in the last few albums that the band appear to be finding their feet again in the eyes of the fans, with their most recent albums Goblins Club, Dream Mixes and Mars Polaris making the chart. But with many more bands now playing instrumental electronic music, Tangerine Dream are no longer the only kids on the block. In total, fifty-five Tangerine Dream albums received votes, along with two by group leader Edgar Froese. Of those that didn’t receive votes, these included many film soundtracks, plus their first two studio albums – Alpha Centauri and Electronic Meditation. Indeed, when asked what were their least liked albums, all their early works, particularly Zeit & Electronic Meditation got a number of thumbs down’s; Zeit was described by J. Gordon as WAY too ambient and space for me... Also clocking up some disliked votes were Ambient Monkeys - Steven Feldman describes it as the most painful stinker; 220 volt, which Mark from the UK rates at number 1,000,376 with “cheese factor waaayy off the scale”, and Steve whose e-mail address is ‘Beartrap’ says 220 Volt is an album just going through the motions... Rockoon, writes Steven Yensen, says eurrgghhh... Exit is Jared White’s most hated, Le Parc is ‘lightweight and predictable” says Beartrap Steve, and Optical Race also received a least liked vote. Nevertheless, music writers, particularly Julian Cope, sing the praises of these early works between 1970 & 72, but that’s not to say that there are a few golden nuggets in the later period. Certainly, outside the earlier albums, the two lowest placed studio albums were two of the band’s works from the 1990’s – Tyranny of Beauty and Rockoon. For a long time, it was commonly accepted that Cyclone, a vocal album released on Virgin in 1978 was the band’s nadir – but after later reassessment, it was decided that the vocal tracks were still awful, but the long track is perhaps among the band’s best works. Cyclone finished in a creditable 30th position. But fans of Tangerine Dream are incredibly loyal, and they’ll stick with the band through thick and thin. For them, it’s like a continual musical journey. They can comfortably expect three or four releases every year, knowing that if they issue a bad album, they won’t have to wait long until the next one. After all, it’s roughly every seven years that Pink Floyd release an album...' Okay, now what about the next possible project? Favourite tracks? There's a lot of logistical problems with that, especially if everyone votes for long tracks. If we do the programme, it won't be until the Autumn at the very earliest. May not be until the end of the year. I can only subject my listeners to so much of the band (even if it's superior to other rubbish around at the moment!) Anyway, I'm now giving chart compilations a rest. My last programme for the Summer is next Friday, and restarting again in September. Hope you all enjoyed the programme and I look forward to the next one. Rgards Roger Hartopp ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23154 Re: The results from that radio show j.gordon Mon 7/3/2000 2 KB 23159 Re: The results from that radio show Steve Mon 7/3/2000 3 KB 23160 Re: The results from that radio show Synthhtnys@a... Mon 7/3/2000 2 KB 23161 Re: The results from that radio show Marcel Engels Tue 7/4/2000 2 KB 23163 Re: The results from that radio show Steve Tue 7/4/2000 2 KB 23162 Re: The results from that radio show Greg Tue 7/4/2000 3 KB 23166 Re: The results from that radio show Nick Adams Tue 7/4/2000 2 KB From: ';-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dusty ;-Chalk' Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 8:12 pm Subject: DC/VA area sales alert The import buyer at the Tower in Tysons Corner has a plethora of the SBM CD's (Stratosfear, Force Majeure, etc. [unfortunately, no Exit, the only one I'm missing]) in the imports section. Since Tower is having their semi-annual clearance sale, I think that means that they're on sale. Sorry I forgot to mention this before today (last day of the sale). -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 8:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The results from that radio show Roger, thanks so much for doing this... the compiling, the show... even though i didn't get to listen to it, from your listing, i can imagine a great three hours of listening... and though only about 10% of the list voted, it still gave an intersting overview, another take on the absolutely diverse spread of TD... and, these type of lists rarely paint the picture of any one fan... and in doing so, can piss off, or simply annoy a lot of people... but i think it's great! thanks again for taking the time and effort and for encouraging us on the list to participate... looking forward to the next one... j.gordon --- Roger Hartopp wrote: > Hello everyone! > > At the moment I'm pretty flu-ridden (so my rather __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 9:21 pm Subject: Progressive album TD should release a new studio album with progressive rock sounding music. Why not? We had Stratosfear, Force Majeure... Jobim playing Invisible Limits right before the gong Gustavo Jobim (gustavfj@m...) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23158 Re: Progressive album Greg Mon 7/3/2000 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 9:27 pm Subject: Different Ricochet Hi, I saw today a different Ricochet for sale, it's an old Virgin CD but it's not framed. I thought all the old Virgin CDs had that ugly frame, is it some kind of rare release? Ah, and the color of the photo is bluer than the 'Definitive' CD. And the words 'Ricochet by tangerine dream' are in white. Jobim, playing Invisible Limits (piano ending) Gustavo Jobim (gustavfj@m...) From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 9:52 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] The results from that radio show I second that opinion, Thanx Roger :o) Poul > Roger, > > thanks so much for doing this... the compiling, the show... even though i > didn't get to listen to it, from your listing, i can imagine a great three > hours of listening... and though only about 10% of the list voted, it still > gave an intersting overview, another take on the absolutely diverse spread of > TD... > > and, these type of lists rarely paint the picture of any one fan... and in > doing so, can piss off, or simply annoy a lot of people... but i think it's > great! > > thanks again for taking the time and effort and for encouraging us on the list > to participate... > > looking forward to the next one... > > j.gordon From: 'Greg' Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 10:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Progressive album > TD should release a new studio album with progressive rock sounding music. > Why not? > We had Stratosfear, Force Majeure... > > Jobim playing Invisible Limits right before the gong > > Gustavo Jobim (gustavfj@m...) I thought that album was partly Tyranny of Beauty. Mixing some of the Alternative type paradigms in their jazzy compositions created that rockish type of sound. The album is strange though in some ways it mixes some techno ideas along with the guitar and sax. I thought the album should be called Blender, but then again the name it has fits very well! Greg H. NP: Johnny Vicious From: 'Steve' Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 10:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The results from that radio show Roger said: > For a long time, it was > commonly accepted that Cyclone, a vocal album released > on Virgin in 1978 was the band’s nadir – but after > later reassessment, it was decided that the vocal > tracks were still awful, but the long track is perhaps > among the band’s best works. Cyclone finished in a > creditable 30th position. For a long time Cyclone was one of my guilty pleasures... I always thought it was a shame that Madrigal Meridian was dismissed summarily because of the other two tracks; of the long studio tracks, it is, after Rubycon 1 & 2, my favourite. My solution to the Cyclone 'problem' has been to make a CDR of Stratosfear and include on it MM, the forty second prelude to Bent Cold Sidewalk and the middle section of BCS. The voice in that section I think works - it's very reminiscent of Ricochet 2... Steve Graphics: http://www.beartrap.dircon.co.uk/bryce/ Zeus: http://www.beardog.cwc.net/ From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Jul 3, 2000 11:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The results from that radio show << My solution to the Cyclone 'problem' has been to make a CDR of Stratosfear and include on it MM, the forty second prelude to Bent Cold Sidewalk and the middle section of BCS. The voice in that section I think works - it's very reminiscent of Ricochet 2... Steve >> *That sums up what I like about Cyclone too.... I think that middle section of BCS is a magical moment.... Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23161 Re: The results from that radio show Marcel Engels Tue 7/4/2000 2 KB 23163 Re: The results from that radio show Steve Tue 7/4/2000 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Jul 4, 2000 6:01 am Subject: RE: [tadream] The results from that radio show > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 1:08 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] The results from that radio show > > > << My solution to the Cyclone 'problem' has been to make a CDR of > Stratosfear and include on it MM, the forty second prelude to Bent Cold > Sidewalk and the middle section of BCS. The voice in that section I think > works - it's very reminiscent of Ricochet 2... > Steve >> > > *That sums up what I like about Cyclone too.... > I think that middle section of BCS is a magical moment.... > Poly I like the whole BCS track. From the vocoding begin till the end. I don't see anything awful about this track. I wonder if it has anything to do with Edgar not liking it. If he liked it probably more people would have liked it (or not?). Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Email :mengels@w... (released today: Okefenokee Dreams 2000) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23163 Re: The results from that radio show Steve Tue 7/4/2000 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Tue Jul 4, 2000 8:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The results from that radio show > > > > << My solution to the Cyclone 'problem' has been to make a CDR of > > Stratosfear and include on it MM, the forty second prelude to Bent Cold > > Sidewalk and the middle section of BCS. The voice in that section I think > > works - it's very reminiscent of Ricochet 2... > > Steve >> > > > > *That sums up what I like about Cyclone too.... > > I think that middle section of BCS is a magical moment.... > > Poly > > I like the whole BCS track. > From the vocoding begin till the end. > I don't see anything awful about this track. > I wonder if it has anything to do with Edgar not liking it. > If he liked it probably more people would have liked it (or not?). > > Marcel > Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > Email :mengels@w... > (released today: Okefenokee Dreams 2000) I agree Marcel, BCS has really grown on me and I like it a lot -- even the version on Tangerine Ambience 2 is pretty good! My opinion of MM is that it is a bit too monotonous for my liking. One of the reasons I like the early 80's TD is all the sequencer shifts. But after Rubycon, the sequencing on MM just dosn't excite as well. Try this, turn on MM loudse the door to the room, and go to the other side of the building -- you'll hear exactly what annoys my parents.. they think it's mental institution disco! Greg H. NP: silence.. long night dancing with the girls...... From: 'Steve' Date: Tue Jul 4, 2000 8:48 am Subject: RE: [tadream] The results from that radio show > I like the whole BCS track. > From the vocoding begin till the end. > I don't see anything awful about this track. > I wonder if it has anything to do with Edgar not liking it. > If he liked it probably more people would have liked it (or not?). I think we're probably too independent to base an opinion on whether or not Edgar likes a particular track :) My problem with the vocals on Cyclone is that except for the central section of BCS they just don't fit. . The rest sound like Peter Hammill on a very off night (much as I love Hammill's work I admit that when he's bad, he's awful!). On the other hand, Tyger works. Perhaps Cyclone side 1 would have been better with a female vocalist? The name that springs to mind is Sonja Kristina... Steve Graphics: http://www.beartrap.dircon.co.uk/bryce/ Zeus: http://www.beardog.cwc.net/ From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue Jul 4, 2000 9:46 am Subject: Top 15 Track lists I just wanted to reiterate that I'd be happy to do the logistics of a top fifteen track list. I feel that ten isn't enough and twenty is too many. I also think that we don't have to wait till the latter part of the year, when Roger would be up to it, to do it. Comments ? Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Jul 4, 2000 10:17 am Subject: canyon dreams...attn: collectors >i would love some history of this lp and how the different >mixes came about. anyone else own this? Tom, it's a LP bootleg made from the music as it appears on the Miramar 'Canyon Dreams' video release. Of course, it's listed in the relevant info files on my homepage. klaus From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Tue Jul 4, 2000 10:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The results from that radio show > My problem with the vocals on Cyclone is that except for the central section > of BCS they just don't fit. . The rest sound like Peter Hammill on a very > off night (much as I love Hammill's work I admit that when he's bad, he's > awful!). On the other hand, Tyger works. Perhaps Cyclone side 1 would have > been better with a female vocalist? The name that springs to mind is Sonja > Kristina... > Well opinions differ of course, but i happen to think the whole of Cyclone rocks, and imo the singing on BCS works, for me anyway, but the singing on Tyger doesn't, but then the music on Tyger doesn't appeal to me either, apart from Smile, i quite like that piece. just my 2 P's worth Nick NP Franke Klare / Area 200 soundtrack for dreams From: Roger Hartopp Date: Tue Jul 4, 2000 2:35 pm Subject: Re: Top fifteen track list Frank Arellano wrote: 'I just wanted to reiterate that I'd be happy to do the logistics of a top fifteen track list. I feel that ten isn't enough and twenty is too many. I also think that we don't have to wait till the latter part of the year, when Roger would be up to it, to do it. Comments ?' I think it would be a bit of fun at this time, but knowing from all the correspondence I've received and read on the list, every list has been compiled on the basis that it's subject to change the following day! Remember there are 1000 + tracks (I think - I haven't really counted!) to choose from, and one concern here is that unless there are a clear cut number of popular tracks, votes could be spread rather thinly [Remember, even in my chart, the twentieth most popular album only received a total of thirty points]. We would really need more than thirty-five people to vote. A few solid ground rules would have to be set: i.e. official releases on disc only, which version of a particular track you prefer (studio, live, Dream Mix, Tangents, etc.). Obviously it's better for me to have a chart compiled just a matter of weeks before a programme so we get the most up to date views from the fans, but what could be done in the meantime is carry out such a chart now, and then compare this with a new chart to be arranged for the radio programme. It would make an interesting comparison and programme talking point. On this basis I would most likely leave the radio programme until later in the year. So Frank - give it a try. It would be an interesting exercise. If you want to do it, I'll submit my fifteen! At least you'll know afterwards if you fancy helping out on the compilation for the radio programme. Actually - as a matter of interest, how many tracks have TD recorded in total? Regards Roger Hartopp ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie From: Steven Feldman Date: Tue Jul 4, 2000 2:13 am Subject: CYCLONE is Severly Underrated >Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:57:35 +0100 >Subject: RE: [tadream] The results from that radio show >From: tadream@egroups.com >Really-From: 'Steve' >Roger said: >>For a long time, it was commonly accepted that Cyclone, a vocal album >>released on Virgin in 1978 was the band's nadir, but after later >>reassessment, it was decided that the vocal tracks were still awful I don't know about that. I like 'Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender' quite a bit. It's 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' that I have issues with: to me, it is Tangerine Dream's 'Pink Floyd' song -- and seeing as I hate Pink Floyd, that is the only thing that hurts it. What makes it a 'Pink Floyd' song? Pretentious lyrics with bombastic, overblown vocal delivery (and *this* is coming from an ex-David Bowie collector!) and a stridently pompous chorus. (Kraftwerk and Pink Floyd both annoy me, but for different reasons. Still, I'd listen to Kraftwerk first, if forced to submit to the aural torture of one of the two. I liked Pink Floyd for a year around 1973 -- because of 'On the Run' -- and I liked Kraftwerk for nine years -- from 1977 to 1986 -- but after that, blearghh. Is this flame bait? Probably. I don't care.) >>[. . .] but the long track is perhaps among the band's best works. What do you mean, 'perhaps'? It is definitely up there in the Top 25, and probably the Top 10, IMHO. >For a long time Cyclone was one of my guilty pleasures... I always >thought it was a shame that Madrigal Meridian was dismissed summarily >because of the other two tracks; of the long studio tracks, it is, >after Rubycon 1 & 2, my favourite. [. . .] Good choices. All that's missing is 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale' and 'Mauroubra Bay' (and the backwards 'Maroubra Bay' on ELECTRONIC DREAMS, heh). Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. MAJOR E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Moroder -- *not* Kraftwerk! +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | TD DISCOGRAPHY http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/tadream2.html | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23170 Re: CYCLONE is Severly Underrated Steve Tue 7/4/2000 2 KB 23175 Re: CYCLONE is Severly Underrated twosheds Wed 7/5/2000 2 KB From: Roger Hartopp Date: Tue Jul 4, 2000 2:48 pm Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone I'd just like to say thanks to everyone who have written to thank me for the programme. Your feedback was very much appreciated, and now gives me the confidence to do another show later in the year. It was hard work, and it annoyed my wife most of the time!(as she complains about me spending so long writing scripts and updating the chart on the computer) I was also thankful that I had access to all material required in compiling the two programmes. Now I can live a normal life again. Thank you everybody! Roger ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie From: 'Steve' Date: Tue Jul 4, 2000 3:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] CYCLONE is Severly Underrated A different Steve said: > Good choices. All that's missing is 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale' > and 'Mauroubra Bay' (and the backwards 'Maroubra Bay' on ELECTRONIC > DREAMS, heh). Both tracks would appear in my top 30... but someone has released a backwards Maroubra Bay? Out of curiosity I tried reversing a number of early Virgin tracks - an interesting, but somewhat unsettling experiment... Steve Graphics: http://www.beartrap.dircon.co.uk/bryce/ Zeus: http://www.beardog.cwc.net/ From: 'James Chapman' Date: Wed Jul 5, 2000 4:54 am Subject: re: the results of that radio show Well, I thought I had pretty unusual tastes when it comes to TD (eg I reckon Optical Race is much better than Pheadra or Rubycon :-) ) but all my top 10 came in the top 23 overall :-) I only wish I'd caught the show to hear some of the stufff from the 90s I've not yet heard - my local stores only seem to sell Virgin albums - I guess it's gonna have to be online! James ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23172 Re: the results of that radio show Steve Yensen Wed 7/5/2000 2 KB 23176 Re: the results of that radio show Antonio Nunes Wed 7/5/2000 2 KB From: 'Steve Yensen' Date: Wed Jul 5, 2000 8:11 pm Subject: re: the results of that radio show Hi Dreamers. It would have been very nice to be able to listen to the show. But my FM receiver's range doesn't quite stretch that far, and as far as net access is concerned ... forget it. In the UK anyway. Anyone tape the show? Anyway Roger, thanks for all your hard work (nice to get a mention) and I'll try to get faster access so I can listen later in the year. Cheers, Steve in Nottingham, UK - -- Home: steve@y... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail (TM): accept NO imitations ... From: Steve Jenkins Date: Wed Jul 5, 2000 9:07 pm Subject: Re: Madrigal Meridian > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:13:49 EDT > From: Steven Feldman > Subject: CYCLONE is Severly Underrated > > > >For a long time Cyclone was one of my guilty pleasures... I always > >thought it was a shame that Madrigal Meridian was dismissed summarily > >because of the other two tracks; of the long studio tracks, it is, > >after Rubycon 1 & 2, my favourite. [. . .] > > Cyclone is a classic in its own right. Sure the band experimented with > vocals and Edgar dismissed the album in an interview as hurried and > ill-founded. Personally i find Madrigal meridian one of the best things they > ever did Steve back in deep, deep lurk mode From: jupe Date: Wed Jul 5, 2000 9:21 pm Subject: Update http://mipagina.euskaltel.es/jupe/home.htm From: 'twosheds' Date: Wed Jul 5, 2000 10:28 pm Subject: Re: CYCLONE is Severly Underrated > I don't know about that. I like 'Rising Runner Missed by Endless >Sender' quite a bit. It's 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' that I have issues >with: to me, it is Tangerine Dream's 'Pink Floyd' song -- and seeing On the contrary, I think it sounds more like Van Der Graaf Generator. It wasn't until I heard, and liked, VdGG, that I liked Cyclone. Scott From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Jul 5, 2000 10:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re: the results of that radio show Steve Yensen wrote: > > Hi Dreamers. > > It would have been very nice to be able to listen to the show. But my FM > receiver's range doesn't quite stretch that far, and as far as net access is > concerned ... forget it. In the UK anyway. Why? It can't be worse than here in Madeira, and I managed to listen to the show (most of it, anyway). > Anyone tape the show? No, and now I'm very sorry. I wasn't expecting to listen to new music, considering that I own all the albums from Electronic Meditation to Great Wall of China. But, what a surprise, Roger played the *extended* version of Barbakane which ends with a few minutes of music not available on the Castle remastered release (the version I own). Now I think I'll have to buy the 2 CDs version of Poland! > Anyway Roger, thanks for all your hard work My thanks to Roger too, especially for the big surprise of Barbakane! Antonio Nunes From: Snobordbob@a... Date: Thu Jul 6, 2000 6:24 am Subject: support the greatest artist you know.....ME!!! UNDEFINED has just registered on farmclub.com!! -------------------------------------- for those of you who are not familiar with farmclub, it is a website where bands put their music and people vote on it. Whoever gets the most votes after one month gets to be on TV with a famous artist. -------------------------------------- WE NEED VOTES!!! FORWARD THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!!! -------------------------------------- All you have to do: -go to http://www.farmclub.com/listen/digitaljukebox/song_popup.html?sid=15458 -(download if you want to.....it's not required) -Vote for our song Its that simple. Just do it for us. A'ight? hehe....forward this to everyone you know to help us out. Thanks alot. -undefined (http://listen.to/undefined) From: Snobordbob@a... Date: Thu Jul 6, 2000 6:35 am Subject: Put us on national television!!!!!!! UNDEFINED has just registered on farmclub.com!! -------------------------------------- for those of you who are not familiar with farmclub, it is a website where bands put their music and people vote on it. Whoever gets the most votes after one month gets to be on TV with a famous artist. -------------------------------------- WE NEED VOTES!!! FORWARD THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!!! -------------------------------------- All you have to do: -go to http://www.farmclub.com/listen/digitaljukebox/song_popup.html?sid=15458 -(download if you want to.....it's not required) -Vote for our song (put this on tv) Its that simple. Just do it for us. A'ight? hehe....forward this to everyone you know to help us out. Thanks alot. -undefined (http://listen.to/undefined) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23181 Re: [tangerinedream] Put us on national televisio Gabe Yedid Thu 7/6/2000 2 KB 23182 Re: Put us on national television!!!!!!! Antonio Nunes Thu 7/6/2000 2 KB 23187 Re: Put us on national television!!!!!!! Joe Shoults Fri 7/7/2000 3 KB 23194 Re: Put us on national television!!!!!!! Nick Adams Sat 7/8/2000 2 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Jul 6, 2000 7:12 am Subject: Re: Cyclone So we're discussing Cyclone, in particular, whether or not the vocals were a good idea. Well, let me again state that Cyclone is a very COOL album. Tracks break down like this: Bent Cold Sidewalk: I still say this is a COOL song! I never did get the Pink Floyd reference, as it sounds NOTHING like Pink Floyd to me. The vocals don't sound like Floyd, there's none of that Gilmour-ish guitar work, and neither the keyboards nor the drums sound anything like I've ever heard on a Pink Floyd record. I think the vocoder-ed intro is fantastic and the lyrics are really neat, and you gotta love that middle section, with the sequencer and Jolliffe's woodwind instruments. I also love that climax: 'BENT COLD SIDEWALK/OPEN UP THE GATE', etc. Lovely track. Rising Runner Missed By Endless Sender: Nice track, but it doesn't sound finished. Especially the lyrics. Madrigal Meridian: WONDERFUL side long track! I like the way it builds to the first sequencer line, and the way the drums come in. I also like the last section, with the clavinet. I think this was one of the best albums, in general. A noble experiment, it's too bad they didn't keep Jolliffe in the band. I thought his woodwinds and vocals brought something really different to the band. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Thu Jul 6, 2000 4:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Cyclone Further to Chris Richards post about Cyclone. I dont get the PF reference either but if you listen to the live version of 'One of These Days' from Floyd's 'Delicate Sound of Thunder', there is, over the reverb bit in the middle of the song a phrase that sounds like it has been lifted straight out of Madrigal Meridian. It is not on the Meddle version or as far as I know any other. All the best Brian ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu Jul 6, 2000 3:56 pm Subject: Re: [tangerinedream] Put us on national television!!!!!!! Folks, I think we've just been spammed. Is it too early to start discussing spam-guards for the lists? Gabe From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Jul 6, 2000 5:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Put us on national television!!!!!!! Gabe Yedid wrote: > > Folks, I think we've just been spammed. > > Is it too early to start discussing spam-guards for the lists? I think that the moderators of this list should complain to abuse@egroups.com Antonio Nunes np: Poland From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Thu Jul 6, 2000 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [tangerinedream] Put us on national television!!!!!!! ' Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends ' ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gabe Yedid' To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: [tangerinedream] Put us on national television!!!!!!! > Folks, I think we've just been spammed. > > Is it too early to start discussing spam-guards for the lists? > I think the inteligent ones amongst us tend to know a good spamming when we see one so just ignore it . I think the Moderators have enough trouble trying to keep the regulars inline . Regards Carl ' Orch ' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23184 Re: [tangerinedream] Put us on national televisio Gabe Yedid Fri 7/7/2000 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Fri Jul 7, 2000 4:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [tangerinedream] Put us on national television!!!!!!! On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Carl Kearney wrote: > I think the inteligent ones amongst us tend to know a good spamming when we > see one so just ignore it . > I think the Moderators have enough trouble trying to keep the regulars > inline . >) (love that last comment) OK I can live with one of these every few months, I just hope that this isn't the beginning of a deluge. If it becomes a problem in the next little while, though, somebody will have to take action. Gabe From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jul 7, 2000 9:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: [tangerinedream] Put us on national television! !!!!!! LOL! yeah, definitely spam. we should feel luck that not more of that comes through, really. joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Kearney [mailto:Carljk@b...] > ...> > I think the inteligent ones amongst us tend to know a good > spamming when we > see one so just ignore it . > I think the Moderators have enough trouble trying to keep the regulars > inline . > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jul 7, 2000 9:32 pm Subject: tadream.net up again- sort of Sorry for the delay, but the tadream.net/musos page is back up again, although the rest of the site. If you wish to participate in the Musos Project, please fill out and submit the form. Thanks Joe, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jul 7, 2000 9:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Put us on national television!!!!!!! I did. I also banned him from the list. I went to the roster to see if he was still here- before I politely asked him to no do that again- and he was alreagy gone. So I made it harder for him to come back... Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:ajogon@m...] > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 1:12 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Put us on national television!!!!!!! > > > > > Gabe Yedid wrote: > > > > Folks, I think we've just been spammed. > > > > Is it too early to start discussing spam-guards for the lists? > > > I think that the moderators of this list should complain to > abuse@egroups.com > > Antonio Nunes > > np: Poland > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Where do sports heroes like Derek Jeter, Mia Hamm, > Vince Carter and Peyton Manning hang out? Where else? > Click now and find ‘em all here! > http://click.egroups.com/1/6211/6/_/24785/_/962903577/ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Steve Yensen' Date: Fri Jul 7, 2000 9:50 pm Subject: Re: the results of that radio show (OT) I sez: >and as far as net access is concerned ... forget it. In the UK anyway. Antonio sez: >Why? It can't be worse than here in Madeira, and I managed to listen to >the show (most of it, anyway). Okay, okay, perhaps I was including the whole of the UK in the East Midlands, but I have yet to get a clear, fast connection at that time of day. It appears that the whole of the UK is online! That is for my paid ISP. I have tried that pile of fetid dingo's kidneys called ntlworld and gave up at the first hurdle. Ah well. I'll wait for the CD-R set instead. :) :) Oh, and Cyclone: I'm beginning to love it more and more each day. Only I try to remember not to drive when I'm playing Madrigal Meridian - seasoned tadreamers will know why! Cheers, Steve in Nottingham, UK np: Cyclone. - -- Home: steve@y... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail (TM): accept NO imitations ... From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Sat Jul 8, 2000 12:17 am Subject: Melrose Well I have just sat and listened to Melrose for the first time and what I want to say is WOW!!! Where has this album been all my life , thoroughly impressed with this piece of work from the masters of EM. Thanks to Alan Benson for the recommendation. Its going to be hard to top this one (IMHO) where do I go next ? Sorry for the self indulgent banter Regards Carl ' Orch ' ' Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends ' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23195 Re: Melrose Alan Benson Sat 7/8/2000 5 KB 23200 Rainer's vacation in Italy (YEA!) Rainer Rutka Sat 7/8/2000 2 KB 28578 Melrose Heiko Heerssen Mon 8/20/2001 3 KB 28644 Re: Melrose gyedid@p... Wed 8/22/2001 2 KB 28586 Re: Melrose Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 8/20/2001 3 KB From: 'David Cotner' Date: Sat Jul 8, 2000 6:19 am Subject: A history. Hello. As I am currently working on a history of experimental music, there are several artists who have simply vanished into the ether. I'm interested in finding them - no history would be complete without their stories. Should you know these people, have ever had contact with them, or know of their current whereabouts, contact me offlist. Please do pass this list to your allies - without each other, we have nothing. Well, perhaps apart from a certain amount of irritation... Ankh Assailer Cer Depilate Corps German Shepards Guerini Irritant Le Syndicat LXSS - Laxative Souls - Roberto Marinelli Next Nine Anton Pna Pax Romana Shepherds Swastika Kommando - Pietro Mazzochin This Body I Mutilate Your help is gratefully accepted and always welcomed. Most sincerely, David Cotner, ||| http://www.hertz-lion.com From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Sat Jul 8, 2000 6:59 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] Put us on national television!!!!!!! Can anyone please explain me what on earth 'spammed' means. I'm quite new on the net and haven't got a clue of what it means ! Thanx Poul I did. I also banned him from the list. I went to the roster to see if he was still here- before I politely asked him to no do that again- and he was alreagy gone. So I made it harder for him to come back... > > Folks, I think we've just been spammed. > > > > Is it too early to start discussing spam-guards for the lists? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23199 Sv: [tadream] Put us on national television!!!!!! Poul Erik Sat 7/8/2000 2 KB From: 'Con31' Date: Sat Jul 8, 2000 11:04 am Subject: Conrad Schnitzler - Blaue Hello Conrad Schnitzler - Blaue Does anyone have a copy of Conrad Schnitzler - Blaue : that they are willing to trade or sell. This is the only title that I now need to complete the 1971 - 1981 of Conrad Schnitzler releases. Please contact me off list... Thanks Ray Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23202 Re: Conrad Schnitzler - Blaue Vic Rek Sat 7/8/2000 2 KB 23230 Conrad Schnitzler - Blaue Con31 Tue 7/11/2000 2 KB 23233 Re: Conrad Schnitzler - Blaue Joel Mullen Tue 7/11/2000 4 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat Jul 8, 2000 11:45 am Subject: Little Cover error on Antique Dreams Hi, I found on the cover from the new TD CD: Antique Dreams a little print error. Please look at the Fold out Cover to the track 'Calymba Caly' at the credits you found: 'composed and performed by E. Froese, C. Franke, J. Schmoeling during...'. Schmoeling is written with only one L. Please look at you covers, you have the same error??? All other credits are written correctly. Bye Heiko Neumann Burg Germany NEUMANN.H-J@t... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Sat Jul 8, 2000 2:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Put us on national television!!!!!!! > Can anyone please explain me what on earth 'spammed' means. I'm quite new > on the net and haven't got a clue of what it means ! In other words Junk Mail ! Nick NP Steve Jollife / Zanzi Home Nick.Adams@e... Work Nick.Adams@p... ICQ 44174543 From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Sat Jul 8, 2000 6:31 pm Subject: Re: Melrose Carl (the ' Orch ') wrote: > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 01:17:10 +0100 > From: 'Carl Kearney' > Subject: Melrose > > Well I have just sat and listened to Melrose for the > first time and what I want to say is WOW!!! > > Where has this album been all my life , thoroughly > impressed with this piece of work from the masters > of EM. > > Thanks to Alan Benson for the recommendation. > Its going to be hard to top this one (IMHO) where > do I go next ? > > Sorry for the self indulgent banter > Regards Carl ' Orch ' > > ' Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends ' ______________________________________________ Hehehe... Well 'Orch' I just ~love~ that last line! > 'Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends...' 'Absolutely!!!' Also, I took the time to also post in the TDI guestbook an informative reply that took me all the way back to the Warfield Theater TD show on the night of October 27, 1992... (the 'Rockoon' tour) :-))) For those of you that know me -- you all know that I've been through a lot with the WCAB legal case. And, for those of you that have already been through it -- I need say absolutely *nothing* more... I already reported on the loss of use of the left arm (now fixed!), and my back going out for the umpteenth time... As, I'm still working on my TD backlog (massive). Besides, don't worry I've kept meticulous notes and will get to all of you one at a time... To further my woes were massive computer problems (a driver memory error & not enough HDD space to run the sizeable complex programs), etc. That's almost all fixed now (sigh), and I've setup the old NetZero server account and my original ICQ #38105655 (handle: Malthrope). Besides, I'm decidedly back and hopefully will put up some kind of TD Web Site later this summer. I've clearly collected enough 'TD junk' to warrant such a site... ~lol~ Also, I keep a bunch of stuff in my Ebay 'About Me' page (with progress updates on my Rehab Consultation and business school), and the URL is: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/marspolaris/ Anyway, It's good to be *back* and... I said it once, I've said it twice, I'll say it till my very last breath: 'They are, after all, simply the BEST!!!' The one & only -- there is no substitute... ~TANGERINE DREAM!!!~ My TD Best Always, -- Al Berkeley, CA / USA (lifelong TD diehard) ********************** PS: Mucho *thanks* to Klaus, Ranier, Joel, Vic, Duncan, Gerry, Heiko, Joe, Jeffrey, Jared, Bob, Scott, Bruce, Brian (down under), Brian (Horizon Music), Chris, Brian, Dave, & Mark (all 'HM'), Tom, Chad, Carlo, Thomas, Conrad, Ken, Chris (UK), James, Fred, Scott ('Mysterious Semblance'), Marion, Carl, J. Gordon, Fleming, Adell, Phaedra, Nicky, Jessica, Arielle & Kai, and a slew of other TD diehards for keeping me somewhat sane during the past few months of this exciting TD millennium... NP: 'Different Stories and Twisted Tales' the track: 'Twisted Tales' by Ron Boots... An 'EM classic!' I'm just killing some TD flex time till July 11th and 'Antique Dreams' is officially released here in the States. ;-) ************************************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: horrod6 Date: Sat Jul 8, 2000 7:17 pm Subject: Re: Top 15 tracks Frank wrote: > I just wanted to reiterate that I'd be happy to do the logistics of a top fifteen track list. I > feel that ten isn't enough and twenty is too many. I also think that we don't have to wait till > the latter part of the year, when Roger would be up to it, to do it. Comments ? Frank, I salute your stamina! But the thought of defining what my top 15 is (are?) is very daunting. As somebody else has pointed out, there are soooo many to choose from. For a considered opinion I'd have to go back and listen to everything I have, probably several times, comparing one track against another. This just seems like such a massive project, particularly when I know that by the time I got to the end I'd have to start again because it would be a new day and a new mood and the wind would be in a different direction... On the other hand it would get me out of the rut of listening to the small(ish) set of CDs that are on the player in permanent rotation. It's a worthy project - if for no other reason than it will make me dust off some that vinyl! And I'd certainly be interested in the outcome, so if I want there to BE and outcome I'd better think about contributing. But I'm afraid it'll take a while. LnH Marion From: horrod6 Date: Sat Jul 8, 2000 7:17 pm Subject: Cyclone & Tyger Nick adams wrote: > i happen to think the whole of Cyclone > rocks, and imo the singing on BCS works, for me anyway, but the singing on > Tyger doesn't, but then the music on Tyger doesn't appeal to me either, > apart from Smile, i quite like that piece. Nick, you're not completely alone. I think Tyger was an interesting experiment, but it doesn't work for me. I'm not crazy about Cyclone either, but of the two it appeals to me more tho' I haven't listened to it for a looong time. However, with all the nice things people have been saying about it lately, I'm going to have to give it another spin! LnH Marion From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Jul 8, 2000 8:01 pm Subject: Welcome Back Hi Alan, I just wanted to welcome you back. I thought that the reason we hadn't heard from you was because you were too busy with another TD list you created via yahoo. Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23207 Re: Welcome Back Alan Benson Sun 7/9/2000 3 KB From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Sat Jul 8, 2000 8:20 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Put us on national television!!!!!!! Cheers a lot Nick ! Puts a lot in perspective to know things like that :o) Poul > > Can anyone please explain me what on earth 'spammed' means. I'm quite new > > on the net and haven't got a clue of what it means ! > > In other words Junk Mail ! > > Nick From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sat Jul 8, 2000 9:22 pm Subject: Rainer's vacation in Italy (YEA!) Hi ev'rybody! Sorry for posting this onto the mailing-list. But for me it's the faster way to announce this: I'm on vacation during the next two weeks. So I can't answer mails or do anything else instead of sailing and sufing in Italy. This is for everybody who is in contact with me because of trading or something else. Don't worry. When I'm back - I'm operational again ;-). All the best to you all and thank you. Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Jul 8, 2000 9:45 pm Subject: Updated Trade List + non US Soundtracks I have updated my TD trade list at: http://idt.net/~torque19/td_trade.htm Please take a look and see if we can trade. Some of these items are ULTRA rare, but then again, my want list is not easy to fill either. On another note, I have identified the following TD CD soundtracks as never being released in the US: Thief Risky Business Dead Solid Perfect Zoning (this does not count any TDI soundtrack releases) Please post any corrections. Also, was Dream Music 2 ever released outside of the USA? If so, I'd like to trade for this version. Thanks, Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23204 Re: Updated Trade List + non US Soundtracks Jim Moore Sat 7/8/2000 3 KB 23205 Re: Updated Trade List + non US Soundtracks Jim Moore Sat 7/8/2000 4 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Jul 8, 2000 9:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Conrad Schnitzler - Blaue Good to see a hardcore CON fan show up once in a while. Do you know whatever happened to the Plate Lunch web page of his? Vic P.S. - I too wish I had Blau... Con31 wrote: > > Hello > > Conrad Schnitzler - Blaue > > Does anyone have a copy of Conrad Schnitzler - Blaue : that they are willing > to trade or sell. From: jupe Date: Sat Jul 8, 2000 10:44 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream Objects for THE SIMS game and the drummer of PENDRAGON Put Tangerine Objects in the life of your SIMS and read the top 10 albums of Fudge , the drummer of PENDRAGON and ex-Steve Hackett . http://mipagina.euskaltel.es/jupe/home.htm Regards , Jupe From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Jul 8, 2000 11:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Updated Trade List + non US Soundtracks Hey Vic! Sorry I've been out of touch. Just wondering when you'd like to meet up again and finish our swap (acutally, I was wondering if you had VF77 (and 78), too!) I finally got a modest dining room setup, so I'd like to invite your family up to see the place sometime. My cooking is still a work in progress, though... - jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Vic Rek [mailto:torque19@i...] > Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 5:46 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Updated Trade List + non US Soundtracks > > > I have updated my TD trade list at: > > http://idt.net/~torque19/td_trade.htm > > Please take a look and see if we can trade. Some of these items are > ULTRA rare, but then again, my want list is not easy to fill either. > > On another note, I have identified the following TD CD soundtracks as > never being released in the US: > Thief > Risky Business > Dead Solid Perfect > Zoning > (this does not count any TDI soundtrack releases) > > Please post any corrections. > > Also, was Dream Music 2 ever released outside of the USA? If so, I'd > like to trade for this version. > > Thanks, > Vic > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com: > http://click.egroups.com/1/5530/6/_/24785/_/963092489/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23205 Re: Updated Trade List + non US Soundtracks Jim Moore Sat 7/8/2000 4 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Jul 8, 2000 11:21 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Updated Trade List + non US Soundtracks Doh! SOrry for the personal message on the list! - jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Moore [mailto:moxica@m...] > Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 7:17 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] Updated Trade List + non US Soundtracks > > > Hey Vic! > > Sorry I've been out of touch. Just wondering when you'd like to meet up > again and finish our swap (acutally, I was wondering if you > had VF77 (and 78), too!) > > I finally got a modest dining room setup, so I'd like to invite > your family up to see the place sometime. My cooking is still > a work in progress, though... > > - jim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vic Rek [mailto:torque19@i...] > > Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 5:46 PM > > To: tadream@egroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] Updated Trade List + non US Soundtracks > > > > > > I have updated my TD trade list at: > > > > http://idt.net/~torque19/td_trade.htm > > > > Please take a look and see if we can trade. Some of these items are > > ULTRA rare, but then again, my want list is not easy to fill either. > > > > On another note, I have identified the following TD CD soundtracks as > > never being released in the US: > > Thief > > Risky Business > > Dead Solid Perfect > > Zoning > > (this does not count any TDI soundtrack releases) > > > > Please post any corrections. > > > > Also, was Dream Music 2 ever released outside of the USA? If so, I'd > > like to trade for this version. > > > > Thanks, > > Vic > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com: > > http://click.egroups.com/1/5530/6/_/24785/_/963092489/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. > http://click.egroups.com/1/6137/6/_/24785/_/963098248/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Jul 9, 2000 9:41 am Subject: Discussion Week 43 - Sunday 9th July 2000 This week brings us to the acclaimed 'Dream Mixes'. Both versions are up for discussion (1CD / 2CD). Please make your subject read 'D:Studio [Dream Mixes]' when posting comments and reviews. Samples may be found at http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/dreammix1.ram http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/dreammix2.ram Regards Lawry lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Sun Jul 9, 2000 6:53 pm Subject: Re: Welcome Back Frank kindly wrote: > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 14:01:59 -0600 > From: 'Frank Arellano' > Subject: Welcome Back > > Hi Alan, > I just wanted to welcome you back. > I thought that the reason we hadn't > heard from you was because you > were too busy with another TD list > you created via yahoo. > > Frank Arellano _____________ Thanks Frank! No, I know where the real ~TD diehards~ are! ~ROFLMAO~ I just try to keep an eye on TD dreamers everywhere in case they need to know what's what, etc. TD wise of course... Probably the same reason I write in the TDI guestbook from time to time... It's the only TD lists that I know of where you have to read backwards to understand what's going on! Anyway, the least I can do while I'm here is to correct the spelling of Rainer's name in my 'Mucho *thanks* lists' from last post. I often call him the TD giant that walks amongst us... You have a great time in Italy my friend! OK -- I'm fixing for a splendid BBQ today with my brother David and I can already smell and taste those blazing ribs (with my apologizes to all the TD vegetarians -- Edgar included). ~lol~ Best Always, -- Al Berkeley, CA / USA Malthrope // ICQ# 38105655. My Ebay (Marspolaris) URL link: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/marspolaris/ *I also try to be a somewhat regular on the mIRC Tadream chat room (Sorcerynet) on Saturdays* ******************************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'James Chapman' Date: Mon Jul 10, 2000 4:08 am Subject: top 15 Well, I'll give it a go :-) 1. Horizon 2. The Midnight Trail 3. Foece Majeure 4. Tangram set 2 5. 21st Cetury Copmmon Man 1 6. Logos 7. Dolphin Dance 8. Burning Bar 9. Mojave Plan 10. Cherokee lane 11. Ricochet part 1 12. Bois De Boulogone 13. Atlas Eyes 14. Live Miles 2 15. Midnight in Tula Dont know if they're in exact order but who cares ? :-) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Sun Jul 9, 2000 11:14 pm Subject: FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk Lurk mode off Can anyone tell me where I can find TD mp3 files other than on Napster? Has anyone seen one for Rocky Mountain Hawk? Q: Has anyone bought the remastered Dream Sequence 2cd (which is on sale at around the 12 pounds mark I think at Amazon.co.uk)? How does the sound quality compare to the original 2cd set and the other so-called 'definitive editions'? Thanks in advance. Conrad Gibbons ICQ: 58943015 Yahoo ID: TangFanIRL PS: Did you know that only list-members seem to be able to post messages here? I think I am correct in saying this?!!! ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23210 Re: FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk Feldon Feldon Sun 7/9/2000 2 KB 23214 Re: FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk Conrad Gibbons Sun 7/9/2000 3 KB 23215 Re: FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk Simon Slator Mon 7/10/2000 3 KB 23265 mp3 ripper Conrad Gibbons Thu 7/13/2000 2 KB 23222 Re: FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk Joe Shoults Mon 7/10/2000 3 KB 23227 Re: FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk Erik Sanborn Tue 7/11/2000 2 KB 23229 Re: FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk Gabe Yedid Tue 7/11/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jul 9, 2000 11:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk >From: 'Conrad Gibbons' > >Lurk mode off > >Can anyone tell me where I can find TD mp3 files other than on Napster? This list is for people who BUY Tangerine Dream, not those who choose to pirate their music. Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23214 Re: FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk Conrad Gibbons Sun 7/9/2000 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sun Jul 9, 2000 11:28 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk GO FELDON!!! GO FELDON!!! GO FELDON!!! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon To: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk > >From: 'Conrad Gibbons' > > > >Lurk mode off > > > >Can anyone tell me where I can find TD mp3 files other than on Napster? > > This list is for people who BUY Tangerine Dream, not those who choose to > pirate their music. > > Morgan From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sun Jul 9, 2000 11:31 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] FW: Rocky UPS!!! UPS!!!! it should have been Morgan so: GO MORGAN!!! GO MORGAN!!! GO MORGAN!!! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Pergamon To: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 1:28 AM Subject: Sv: [tadream] FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk > GO FELDON!!! GO FELDON!!! GO FELDON!!! > > Jan > From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Sun Jul 9, 2000 11:40 pm Subject: Missing Person! Hilmar - you out there? Anyone know if Hilmar Kraft is still on the list /alive or dead??? ;-) Thanks, Conrad Gibbons ICQ: 58943015 Yahoo ID: TangFanIRL From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Sun Jul 9, 2000 11:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk Morgan, Calm down, you are being very presumptious. What makes you think I don't have TD music already??? I just want to play with the mp3 medium. I think I'm known well enough on this list by others who can tell you I do buy a heck of a lot of TD (thank you very much). Many fans (like myself)will still buy a cd after hearing an mp3 if they like it. :-) Happy listening (whatever the medium) :-) Regards, Conrad Gibbons ICQ: 58943015 Yahoo ID: TangFanIRL -----Original Message----- From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 12:19 AM To: tadream@egroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk >From: 'Conrad Gibbons' > >Lurk mode off > >Can anyone tell me where I can find TD mp3 files other than on Napster? This list is for people who BUY Tangerine Dream, not those who choose to pirate their music. Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Want to find a hot new CD for the weekend? Come to FirstLook.com and check out what's new in music! http://click.egroups.com/1/6696/6/_/24785/_/963184734/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Tue Jul 11, 2000 10:39 am Subject: RE: FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk You're right there, Conrad! I've downloaded many Tangerine Dream MP3s, but they're no substitute for hearing CD quality albums in their entirety with full artwork. I've also downloaded MP3s to make CDR backups of original albums I own on vinyl. I own 50% of their back catalogue on original CDs but have my own Tangerine Dream MP3 CD so I can take most of my TD collection to work without lugging all the discs along or standing at my shelf deciding which ones to take. When used properly, MP3 technology can be beneficial to the artists. I use Napster a lot, but many artists have benefited from my use of it - Tangerine Dream, Ted Nugent, Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson, Yngwie Malmsteen... many more! But don't assume that if someone asks for MP3s that they are pirating their music - I've sent out low-fi TD mp3s to friends of mine to help promote TD to them... it worked too - 50% of them bought TD albums after hearing that sample. That's my two cents Simon. ============== Simon Slator Website: http://pages.zoom.co.uk/simon.slator Download my own music at: http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23265 mp3 ripper Conrad Gibbons Thu 7/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Mon Jul 10, 2000 11:35 am Subject: Tangerine Dream in Spinal Tap movie I'm not sure if this has already been posted, but I found something to do with TD in the film 'This Is Spinal Tap'. If you have a copy of the film, forward it to the scene where they're doing the signing session in the record store (on my DVD, the scene is called something like 'kick my ass'). When they're talking about 'special relationships', look on the record shelf infront of them. Standing up on the display is an LP of 'Tangram'. It may not be visible on the video version - depends on what part of the film is shown in the pan-and-scan version. Simon. ============== Simon Slator Website: http://pages.zoom.co.uk/simon.slator Download my own music at: http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23228 Tangerine Dream in Spinal Tap movie teiwaz _ Tue 7/11/2000 2 KB 23240 Re: Tangerine Dream in Spinal Tap movie Heiko Heerssen Wed 7/12/2000 2 KB 23241 Re: Tangerine Dream in Spinal Tap movie Simon Slator Wed 7/12/2000 2 KB 23242 Re: Tangerine Dream in Spinal Tap movie Jim Moore Wed 7/12/2000 2 KB From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Mon Jul 10, 2000 12:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: MP3s Recent polls have indicated that a large majority (upwards of 3/4) of MP3 downloaders have bought CDs as a result of their downloading. I see nothing wrong with downloading a few of my favorite TD tracks to hold me over until I can afford to buy the CD. In a recent interview with one of the Grateful Dead songwriters (whose name escapes me), he said he overwhelmingly approved of the MP3/Napster ability, contending that downloading music and SELLING it constitutes stealing, but downloading it for private enjoyinment is considered ADVERTISING. As a result he started an organization of musicians and industry folks who approve of the format. And yes, I download MP3s all the time. I download music mostly to have songs I either haven't bought yet or won't spend the price of a full CD for just the one track. Why spend my money on an entire CD for just one track? Most record labels have withdrawn support for singles, and I'd much rather give my money to an artist whose entire catalog I enjoy to encourage him/her/them to keep up the good work. As a manager of a music store, I have these conversations with my customers all the time. I've even helped several to figure out the whole downloading process. Heck, I'd rather sell them an MP3 player or a batch of CD-Rs than put up with an unhappy customer who was duped into buying an entire album because of one good song. And Simon, it's interesting that you mentioned Yngwie Malmsteen in your list of artists who have benefitted from your downloading, because his wife was in my store shopping last week. I asked her specifically how they felt about the MP3 revolution, and she told me they have some concerns but are confident that those who accept and evolve with it will be better off in the long run. If I see her again I'll let her know about you! And man is she hot. :) James (who has, to date, never downloaded a TD song) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23221 Re: MP3s Sean Montgomery Mon 7/10/2000 2 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Jul 10, 2000 11:52 am Subject: Re : [tadream] FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk Hi Conrad, The sound quality is excellent, much better than the original 2 CD, but unfortunately there's a slight mastering fault on my copy during 'Rubycon Part One (Excerpt)' at the 2.46 mark, can't say if it's just my copy though. Can anyone who has a copy have a listen and tell us if their copy is the same? If so, I'll exchange mine! Paul From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Mon Jul 10, 2000 10:44 am Subject: SV: [tadream] FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk >Many fans (like myself)will still buy a cd after hearing an mp3 if they like >it. If you download an mp3 track, you have commited an act of piracy even if you dont like the music. You should *still* buy the CD just to make up for your act. Try the other way around. Buy the CD first, then download the mp3 file. It could be considered legal, as an mp3 back-up of your CD probably is legal. glenn From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Jul 10, 2000 1:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] mp3 on TD List I don't see what's so complicated. Anything involving mp3s on the official Tangerine Dream list is going to ruffle feathers. I never said I didn't have any mp3s, only that this is probably not the place to discuss. People talk with me off-list about mp3 all the time. Again, this is all my opinion, because we do discuss concert tapes on this list too, even if we are asked to tread lightly. For instance, the on-and-on list-upon-list of 'top 10 TD albums' or 'top 15 tracks'. I didn't comment because an accurate picture of Tangerine Dream cannot be drawn without including unreleased concert material. Anyways, I don't set the rules here, so sorry if I got the juices flowing. Talk amongst yourselves! Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Jul 10, 2000 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: MP3s 'James E. Jacoby' wrote: > And yes, I download MP3s all the time. I download music mostly to have songs I either haven't bought yet or won't spend the price of a full CD for just the one track. Why spend my money on an entire CD for just one track? Most record labels have withdrawn support for singles Here here! I'm glad someone has dropped the self-righteous pose and told it like it is. Over the past ten years, I've spent enough on CDs to have purchased a good mid-sized car...and of that pile of aluminun, only 25% (maybe) are albums I would listen to in their entirety. I have no qualms about being more selective about what I buy now. I'm never going to buy the new Canyon Dreams for the sake of one song, so if I can download that one song, you'd better believe I will. I did order Antique Dreams though! If an artist puts out a quality release, I will still buy it. Alas, good albums are rather rare. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 10, 2000 8:04 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk OK. Not that it doesn't pertain in a marginal way, but before we open the whole Napster/mp3 can of worms, let's just say that a discussion of mp3s, the technology behind their production, or the legal and ethical issues behind their use, or whether Metallica just sucks these days, is definitely OFF-TOPIC for this list. I'm sure that many of you have strong opinions about the mp3 subjects that are the subject of much debate these days. Perhaps your urge to express that opinion is much stronger than your willpower, so I'm going to recommend some outlets for you to vent that are more appropriate than here: http://www.egroups.com/group/napster http://www.egroups.com/group/Metallica-vs-Napster http://www.egroups.com/group/Napster-Banned-User-Fix http://www.egroups.com/group/DigitalMusic http://www.egroups.com/group/Mp3sHunter http://www.egroups.com/group/NapsterUsers http://www.egroups.com/group/napstertalk ...plus over 1000 more groups if you search egroups.com by 'mp3'. Thanks, Joe > -----Original Message----- > > >Many fans (like myself)will still buy a cd after hearing an > mp3 if they like > >it. > > If you download an mp3 track, you have commited an act of > piracy even if you dont like the music. You should *still* > buy the CD just to make up for your act. > > Try the other way around. Buy the CD first, then download the > mp3 file. It could be considered legal, as an mp3 back-up of > your CD probably is legal. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 10, 2000 8:07 pm Subject: clarification: RE: [tadream] FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk this is not to say, of course, that you cannot discuss mp3s. As long as the subject pertains to TD, and does not involve the actual trading of mp3s or pirating of TD music, I'm interestd! Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...] ... > before we open the whole Napster/mp3 can of worms, ... is definitely > OFF-TOPIC for this list. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael W. Daniels' Date: Mon Jul 10, 2000 8:49 pm Subject: Canyon Dreams TDI track Out of curiosity, is there anyone who owns the TDI Canyon Dreams and can describe the new track? I won't ask if it's worth buying the album again for, but does it 'fit' with the album? -- Michael W. Daniels | 'But the evil is that they hold for daniels@l... | certain that they are in the light.' Dept. of Linguistics | Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23226 Re: Canyon Dreams TDI track Michael A Jean Tue 7/11/2000 3 KB 23231 Re: Canyon Dreams TDI track Gary Jenkins Tue 7/11/2000 3 KB 23238 Re: Canyon Dreams TDI track Jim Moore Wed 7/12/2000 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Tue Jul 11, 2000 12:30 am Subject: [OT] Calling all Europeans: need help tracking down a recording Hello all, This is a request for some help in tracking down (with intent to purchase) a recording that I can apparently no longer obtain in North America. I was informed by the HMV superstore in Montreal that this recording has been 'discontinued', but that is only by the distributor, not the label. The recording is: Composer: Darius Milhaud Title: Symphonies #1 and 2; Suite Provencale Peformers: Orchestre du Capitole de Toulouse; Michel Plasson, dir. Label: Deutsche Grammophon Spine #: 435 437-2 The CD is *not* listed at Amazon.com or CDNow.com (the two online retailers I normally deal with), nor at CDEurope. Curiously, it isn't listed at DG's own website, but it is still listed as being 'in print' in the printed version of DG's 2000 catalogue. I know for certain it is available at FNAC in France. (NOTE TO Fred Yargui: Fred, if you have seen this message, please get in touch with me--I lost your new email address) I would greatly appreciate any help that can be offered from the other side of The Pond on this. I will fully reimburse the price of the album + shipping. cheers, and thanks in advance Gabe From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Jul 11, 2000 4:25 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Canyon Dreams TDI track I don't care for it much personally... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael W. Daniels [mailto:daniels@l...] > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 3:50 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Canyon Dreams TDI track > > > Out of curiosity, is there anyone who owns the TDI Canyon Dreams and can > describe the new track? I won't ask if it's worth buying the album again > for, but does it 'fit' with the album? > -- > Michael W. Daniels | 'But the evil is that they hold for > daniels@l... | certain that they are in the light.' > Dept. of Linguistics | > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Need a credit card? > Instant Approval and 0% intro APR with Aria! > http://click.egroups.com/1/6034/6/_/24785/_/963262424/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23231 Re: Canyon Dreams TDI track Gary Jenkins Tue 7/11/2000 3 KB 23238 Re: Canyon Dreams TDI track Jim Moore Wed 7/12/2000 2 KB From: 'Erik Sanborn' Date: Tue Jul 11, 2000 4:04 pm Subject: Re: FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:04:47 -0400 > From: Joe Shoults >Subject: RE: FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk > >OK. > >Not that it doesn't pertain in a marginal way, but before we open the whole >Napster/mp3 can of worms, let's just say that a discussion of mp3s, the >technology behind their production, or the legal and ethical issues behind >their use, or whether Metallica just sucks these days, is definitely >OFF-TOPIC for this list. I'd pay money to hear Metallica perform a cover of 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'. :-) (Just trying to stay on-topic...) -Erik Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23229 Re: FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk Gabe Yedid Tue 7/11/2000 2 KB From: 'teiwaz _' Date: Tue Jul 11, 2000 4:21 pm Subject: re:Tangerine Dream in Spinal Tap movie of course it's only fitting that two of the spinal tap band members hosted the music in the movies benefit for the mill valley film festival which featured tangerine dream's film music performed 'live'. And with today's U.S. release of Antique Dreams, I may get to relive part of the experience.... --teiwaz ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Gabe Yedid Date: Tue Jul 11, 2000 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: FW: Rocky Mountain Hawk On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Erik Sanborn wrote: > I'd pay money to hear Metallica perform a cover of 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'. :-) Hear hear!!! ;) Seriously, 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' might actually work *better* as a metal piece. Gabe From: 'Con31' Date: Tue Jul 11, 2000 6:00 pm Subject: Conrad Schnitzler - Blaue Conrad Schnitzler - Blaue The News is that PLATE LUNCH have NOT responded to any emails, faxes, or telephone calls since August 1999 ...and the website is down.. Looks like there will be NO more Conrad Schnitzler from PLATE LUNCH.....? If anyone has further info... I would be interested in hearing from you....? Conrad if you reading this...I will take the work on and do a better job than PLATE LUNCH or ARTGALLERY ???!! Let me know...?? Vik Shame....So this will make the CS items rarities now...glad I bought an extra copy of ROT Any offers anyone....?? Does anyone have a copy of BLAUE ? Ray From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue Jul 11, 2000 6:27 pm Subject: Re: Canyon Dreams TDI track --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Michael A Jean' wrote: > I don't care for it much personally... > > MJ > Neither do I not worth wasting your money for that. Cheers Gary. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael W. Daniels [mailto:daniels@l...] > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 3:50 PM > > To: tadream@egroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] Canyon Dreams TDI track > > > > > > Out of curiosity, is there anyone who owns the TDI Canyon Dreams and can > > describe the new track? I won't ask if it's worth buying the album again > > for, but does it 'fit' with the album? > > -- > > Michael W. Daniels | 'But the evil is that they hold for > > daniels@l... | certain that they are in the light.' > > Dept. of Linguistics | > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > > Need a credit card? > > Instant Approval and 0% intro APR with Aria! > > http://click.egroups.com/1/6034/6/_/24785/_/963262424/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Jul 11, 2000 6:46 pm Subject: Dream Gallery Hi all, Some people have said that they were confused by the circular links on the Dream Gallery homepage, so I've added labels. Have a look and let me know if you think it's an improvement. http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26843 Dream Gallery Paul Fellows Tue 5/1/2001 2 KB From: Joel Mullen Date: Tue Jul 11, 2000 7:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Conrad Schnitzler - Blaue Ray- Back in Feb-March of this year Plate Lunch (Marc McNaulty) relocated to Rochester NY. At around the same time their website went down (they were going through an ISP change that is not complete as of yet I guess) You may have luck contacting Marc directly at----- marcm@p... (instead of (it was the address the last few e-mails from Marc to me came via after the move. I was last e-mailed on 4-14-00) Marc told me that I could use the www.platelunch.de in the meantime for information on current releases until the .com address was up again. You may be able to order directly from Marc using the e-mail address above, but be warned it took 2+ months for me to get my last order due to all the changes and moves (and a supposedly lost package) It might be worth a try to contact him first before you try to order from the .de site anyway. Hope this helps. Regards, Joel On Tuesday, July 11, 2000 1:00 PM, Con31 [SMTP:con31@t...] wrote: > Conrad Schnitzler - Blaue > > The News is that PLATE LUNCH have NOT responded to any emails, faxes, > or telephone calls since August 1999 ...and the website is down.. > Looks like there will be NO more Conrad Schnitzler from PLATE LUNCH.....? > If anyone has further info... I would be interested in hearing from you....? > > Conrad if you reading this...I will take the work on and do a better job > than PLATE LUNCH > or ARTGALLERY ???!! Let me know...?? > > Vik > Shame....So this will make the CS items rarities now...glad I bought an > extra copy of ROT > Any offers anyone....?? > > Does anyone have a copy of BLAUE ? > > Ray > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Want to find a hot new CD for the weekend? > Come to FirstLook.com and check out what's new in music! > http://click.egroups.com/1/6696/6/_/24785/_/963338837/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Jul 11, 2000 8:30 pm Subject: antique dreams U.S. release delayed? Couldn't find Antique Dreams in the shops here today--checked with one major retailer (borders) and one independent (do re mi) Any other U.S. fans have luck or trouble getting Antique Dreams today? --teiwaz ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23235 Re: antique dreams U.S. release delayed? Sean Montgomery Tue 7/11/2000 2 KB 23236 Re: antique dreams U.S. release delayed? Vince LeGrand Tue 7/11/2000 3 KB 23239 Re: antique dreams U.S. release delayed? Hermes Guzman Wed 7/12/2000 2 KB 23244 Re: antique dreams U.S. release delayed? Bennett Cookson Wed 7/12/2000 2 KB 23285 Re: antique dreams U.S. release delayed? tom george Sat 7/15/2000 3 KB 23286 Re: antique dreams U.S. release delayed? snowdog747@a... Sat 7/15/2000 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Jul 11, 2000 10:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] antique dreams U.S. release delayed? tei waz wrote: > Any other U.S. fans have luck or trouble getting Antique Dreams today? > I got an e-mail from CD NOW indicating that my copy was mailed on Sunday. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Tue Jul 11, 2000 11:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] antique dreams U.S. release delayed? I checked one local store here in Southeastern PA, and they didn't have it. And, they generally have a pretty good inventory of TD CD's. -----Original Message----- From: tei waz To: tadream@egroups.com ; teiwazbarana@h... Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 4:30 PM Subject: [tadream] antique dreams U.S. release delayed? >Couldn't find Antique Dreams in the shops here today--checked with one major >retailer (borders) and one independent (do re mi) > >Any other U.S. fans have luck or trouble getting Antique Dreams today? > >--teiwaz >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >LOW RATE, NO WAIT! >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates >as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >http://click.egroups.com/1/6629/6/_/24785/_/963347415/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Tue Jul 11, 2000 11:59 pm Subject: Re (x3): First impressions of 'Antique dreams' My TD pal Heiko wrote in: > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:53:06 +0200 > From: Heiko Heerssen > Subject: First impressions of 'Antique dreams' Lots! With analysis and commentary on every *precious* track... (all cut -- see the text in full Tadream Digest #552, 06/29/00): And: >> ...to sum it up: I think that 'Antique dreams' has turned >> out extremly well, although I already knew all the songs >> before... but to many of us on this list (?) there is a >> chance to discover some really great music in the >> best possible sound quality. Of course I was hoping >> that Edgar would include some rare vintage live material, >> but I gave up hope some while ago because as he stated >> more than once he's someone who is always looking >> forward. >> Buy or die! (to quote an old 'Ralph Records' slogan..) >> >> Heiko ************** Right you are ('Buy or die!) my TD diehard friend! The release date of July 11th has finally come to America and I just posted this in the TDI guestbook: > From ~Force Majeure~ at Wed, 12/Jul/00 00:40: > Hi gang! > NP: 'Antique Dreams' is now. > Two words: ~Tangerine Dream~ > One reaction: YES! > *Thanks* Edgar & Jerome... > You've made an old Berkeley TD diehard and a slew of others > really happy just to know the names of pieces that we've > listened too for decades! :-) > Cheers, -- Al (the TD's pal), Berzerkeley, CA / USA _____________________________________ Say's it all for me... (95% give or take authentic, btw). I'm sailing away with the sweet dreams of antique tangerines! My TD Best Always, -- Al Berkeley, CA PS: ~Force Majeure~ One of my TD nom de plumes. NP: What else? ~lol~ 'Antique Dreams' -- of course! ************************************************************* [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed Jul 12, 2000 1:52 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Canyon Dreams TDI track > Subject: RE: [tadream] Canyon Dreams TDI track > I don't care for it much personally... > > Out of curiosity, is there anyone who owns the TDI Canyon > Dreams and can > > describe the new track? It's very mellow (read: non-percussive), slowly progressing track with several mid-80's effects thrown in. Reminds me of a South- western version of 'Zen Garden'... Preferences are personal, so I won't advise getting the album for that song one way or another. - jim From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Wed Jul 12, 2000 3:24 am Subject: Re: antique dreams U.S. release delayed? Picked up my copy (last one!) at RPM here in Dallas this afternoon. None of the major retailers have it yet in the DFW area. I'm listening to it now-will post a review sometime tomorrow after another 2-3 listenings. goozer From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Jul 12, 2000 8:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re:Tangerine Dream in Spinal Tap movie teiwaz _ wrote: > of course it's only fitting that two of the spinal tap band members hosted > the music in the movies benefit for the mill valley film festival which > featured tangerine dream's film music performed 'live'. There might have been a mistake (wouldn't have been the first) by ED, because the track on 'Antique dreams' (Sorcerer/Thief) was *not* played at the Mill Valley Film Festival in 1981. At least this is what I assume because during the 1980/81 live tours they never played this composition. Most probably it has been taken from one of the 1990 UK live tours because that was where it appeared the first time. Heiko From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Wed Jul 12, 2000 1:51 pm Subject: Re: re:Tangerine Dream in Spinal Tap movie It would be pretty funny if Tangerine Dream were to actually *cover* Spinal Tap! I wonder how Edgar and co would sound performing 'Rock and Roll Creation' and 'Stonehenge' (or, as pronounced in the movie, stone 'enje) ============== Simon Slator Website: http://pages.zoom.co.uk/simon.slator Download my own music at: http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed Jul 12, 2000 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re:Tangerine Dream in Spinal Tap movie > There might have been a mistake (wouldn't have been the first) by ED, because > the track on 'Antique dreams' (Sorcerer/Thief) was *not* played at the Mill > Valley Film Festival in 1981. At least this is what I assume because during the > 1980/81 live tours they never played this composition. Most probably it has been > taken from one of the 1990 UK live tours because that was where it appeared the > first time. Actually, I think it first appeared in the 1987 Berlin concert... There *was* that extended Thief sequence that was played during the 1980 tour. - jim From: kevine@c... Date: Wed Jul 12, 2000 3:16 pm Subject: Recent review of Dream Sequence I don't want to ignite any Old vs. New TD debates, but I found the following review at: http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_07.06.00/music/ondisc.html Note: This is Toronto's Eye Magazine's web site, re-printed without permission. TANGERINE DREAM Dream Sequence Virgin * Now that we've reached the 21st century, it should be assumed that some things are obsolete: 8-tracks, Betamax and Tangerine Dream. What, one must ask, is the point of reissuing a 1985 compilation of the Dreamers' Virgin years? Is New Age hip again? Was it ever? Back in 1969, when Edgar Froese launched Tangerine Dream as an experiment that fused psych-rock ideals with sparse electronics, there was a point. When the Dream ditched the rock gear in 1972 and boldly explored the dark tones and drones of said electronics (on Zeit and Atem), there was a point. And when Froese and company discovered the science of rhythmic programming with their 1974 Virgin debut, Phaedra, there was a point. But with the 1975 release of Rubycon, the dream was over: they ditched their classic equipment for high-tech plastic keyboards and released the same bad album for the next 25 years. Why, then, does Dream Sequence dedicate a measly one minute to Phaedra, a stingy four minutes to Rubycon and a whopping 129 minutes to the 11 meandering Virgin albums that followed? To make this mistake in 1985 is excusable, but to reprise it in 2000 is unforgivable. -- KH Sorry about the crosspost, but it *is* on-topic for all of these lists. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23245 Re: Recent review of Dream Sequence Sean Montgomery Wed 7/12/2000 2 KB 23246 Re: Recent review of Dream Sequence Gabe Yedid Wed 7/12/2000 3 KB 23247 Re: Recent review of Dream Sequence Feldon Feldon Wed 7/12/2000 3 KB 23249 Re: Recent review of Dream Sequence Sean Montgomery Wed 7/12/2000 2 KB From: Bennett Cookson Date: Wed Jul 12, 2000 3:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] antique dreams U.S. release delayed? Yesterday I got this happy message from buy.com so you could try there. --Bennett just wanted to let you know that the following items from your order have shipped and are on the way to your door: item sku #60416457 qty :1 ANTIQUE DREAMS *This item shipped on 7/10/00 Once again, thank you for your order. We look forward to earning your business as we set out to be the 'best place to buy on the Internet.' www.buy.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Jul 12, 2000 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Recent review of Dream Sequence kevine@c... wrote: > I don't want to ignite any Old vs. New TD debates, but I found the > following review at: > http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_07.06.00/music/ondisc.html > Note: This is Toronto's Eye Magazine's web site, re-printed without > permission. Man, I used to like Kim Hughes. This review is just High Fidelity-ism at its finest (those who've seen the movie or read the book will know what I mean). Staking out the bands' early 'difficult' music and pronouncing it worthy just because it was difficult, and because Julian Cope likes it. Dissing the rest of the Virgin years because it influenced a generation of TV themes and because it isn't praised in techno circles the way that Kraftwerk is. I'd say to each their own, but I get the impression that Kim is just protecting her street credibility, and probably didn't even listen to Dream Sequence when she did this review. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23246 Re: Recent review of Dream Sequence Gabe Yedid Wed 7/12/2000 3 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed Jul 12, 2000 4:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Recent review of Dream Sequence On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Sean Montgomery wrote: > Man, I used to like Kim Hughes. This review is just High Fidelity-ism at its > finest (those who've seen the movie or read the book will know what I mean). > Staking out the bands' early 'difficult' music and pronouncing it worthy just > because it was difficult, and because Julian Cope likes it. Dissing the rest > of the Virgin years because it influenced a generation of TV themes and because > it isn't praised in techno circles the way that Kraftwerk is. I'd say to each > their own, but I get the impression that Kim is just protecting her street > credibility, and probably didn't even listen to Dream Sequence when she did > this review. Not to mention that, especially with regard to her appraisal of the gear used post-Phaedra, it's completely inaccurate! So Sean, as our resident street-cred-wise Torontonian, are you going to prepare a rebuttal to this piece of ignorant, quarter-thought tripe? (if this magazine has a letters section...) Gabe From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Jul 12, 2000 4:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Recent review of Dream Sequence I guess it's on-topic, but Magazine reviewers can go to hell. I'm sure there there are a ton of magazine staff who flame the movie 'The Matrix' because they want to be controversial and increase their readership by being different. Just like English Patient. I will never understand what the Academy or review-types saw with that movie. I'll take Thin Red Line and Shawshank over that any day. So I can't tell you what to do. If you want to post some nearsighted Magazine reviewers article who is just trying to be controversial, then I can't stop you. If I want to hear the meandering rhythmless patternless sequenceless stuff of TD's 1972-1974 years, I can turn on the local college and Pacifica radio stations late at night and listen to that drivel. I want SOUND and SUBSTANCE! All they play is cacophony. I want gripping rhythms, classical instruments mixed with electronic, and the best analogue warmth available. 1975-1987 Tangerine Dream fits this bill and little else does. Even Force Majeure, with its Classic Rock-inspired sounds. It may not be the TD we know and love, but I still love this album. It's in my top 10. Morgan 'Controversial' M. >From: kevine@c... >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com, tangerinedream@egroups.com, >electronicmusic@egroups.com, beyond_em@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Recent review of Dream Sequence >Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:16:46 -0400 > >I don't want to ignite any Old vs. New TD debates, but I found the >following review at: >http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_07.06.00/music/ondisc.html >Note: This is Toronto's Eye Magazine's web site, re-printed without >permission. (clipped magazine reviewer's comment that TD had 3 years of successful music) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: David Cotner Date: Wed Jul 12, 2000 4:54 pm Subject: Conrad Schnitzler and Plate Lunch Hulloa to you. > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:00:20 +0100 > From: 'Con31' > Subject: Conrad Schnitzler - Blaue > > Conrad Schnitzler - Blaue > > The News is that PLATE LUNCH have NOT responded to any emails, faxes, > or telephone calls since August 1999 ...and the website is down.. It's down? You should cheer it up. http://www.platelunch.de/ and it does change from .com to .de and back again from time to time. Norbert Schilling's email address fades in and out occasionally as well - I shall try to reach him myself. > Looks like there will be NO more Conrad Schnitzler from PLATE LUNCH.....? > If anyone has further info... I would be interested in hearing from you....? The website was updated as of July 4. > Conrad if you reading this...I will take the work on and do a better job > than PLATE LUNCH > or ARTGALLERY ???!! Let me know...?? Perhaps you should contact him yourself? Drop me a line separate to this message and I shall ask him if I can give you his email address. You are aware of his personal cdR releases in limited editions? > Ray > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:08:19 -0500 > From: Joel Mullen > Subject: RE: Conrad Schnitzler - Blaue > > Ray- > > Back in Feb-March of this year Plate Lunch (Marc McNaulty) > relocated to Rochester NY. At around the same time their > website went down (they were going through an ISP change > that is not complete as of yet I guess) You may have luck > contacting Marc directly at----- > > marcm@p... (instead of > > (it was the address the last few e-mails from Marc to me > came via after the move. I was last e-mailed on 4-14-00) > > Marc told me that I could use the www.platelunch.de in > the meantime for information on current releases until > the .com address was up again. You may be able to > order directly from Marc using the e-mail address above, > but be warned it took 2+ months for me to get my last order > due to all the changes and moves (and a supposedly lost > package) It might be worth a try to contact him first before > you try to order from the .de site anyway. My understanding was that he was not further involved in the PlateLunch USA process and all order shall be filled from Germany. However, things change... Also on hold is the 3-cd set of Conrad Schnitzler remixes, of which I have done one - understandably, it's a little...discomfiting. Sincerely, David Cotner, ||| http://www.hertz-lion.com > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > > Joel From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Jul 12, 2000 5:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Recent review of Dream Sequence Gabe Yedid wrote: > > So Sean, as our resident street-cred-wise Torontonian, are you going to > prepare a rebuttal to this piece of ignorant, quarter-thought tripe? > (if this magazine has a letters section...) They do have a letters to the editor section, but I'm not sure if there's much point in writing, other than to adopt the same kind of 'I'm right, you're wrong' posture that the reviewers take. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Vic Rek Date: Thu Jul 13, 2000 12:26 am Subject: CON-rad CON-rad is accessible these days. Go to my web page and follow the link to which says 'Conrad says Hello' - I got a direct response from Conrad that he is from now on selling CD-Rs personally and in a limited edition of 100. If you like his music I would suggest you contact him. I just placed my order today for 8 CD-Rs for $100. BTW, it seems that he personally responds to the e-mails, so ask the CON questions that have always been on your mind! Oh - my minimal EM webpage is at http://idt.net/~torque19/td_trade.htm I asked him why he numbers his CDs 00/nnn and he told me that he just has too many tapes, but that he will be removing the '00' prefix. My question is quoted below: > One more question: Why are the titles preceded with '00/nnn'? Will 00 > change into 01 someday - like after 00/999? I know you plan to live a > long time!!! :-) Vic