From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 7:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: What's everyone been listening to? In a message dated 4/11/2000 4:42:18 PM !!!First Boot!!!, glynnn@o... writes: << Brian Wilson, is, IMO, the only rock/pop composer who can stand comparison with the old-time greats like Gershwin and Cole Porter. Everyone should have a copy of this record! Glynn >> *When I was younger I thought of the Beach Boys as letter-sweater wearing jocks with no brains or talent... then as I became more involved in music I noticed that people like Frank Zappa and Paul McCartney were saying that Brian Wilson was a genius with vocal harmonies I listened to them again with the ears of a musician and was blown away..... they really were amazing.... Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21843 Re: RE: What's everyone been listening to? Antonio Nunes Tue 4/11/2000 2 KB 21848 Re: RE: What's everyone been listening to? Owens, James E Tue 4/11/2000 3 KB From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 7:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator noise You're assuming they didn't repeat a section of the tape. I'm loading the track into SoundForge right now to do a little DSP and see what I can see. I did notice that it pans. It is quite annoying. Kristopher W. Rhen (krhen@s...) Manager, Information Systems A. Stucki Company Pittsburgh, PA > noise loop 38 min. <> concert 31 min. > > Sorry to stir up the stilt, just doing some math... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21844 Re: Soundmill Navigator noise Rhen, Kris Tue 4/11/2000 2 KB 21846 Re: Soundmill Navigator noise Radu Velicescu Tue 4/11/2000 3 KB 21858 Re: Soundmill Navigator noise Rhen, Kris Wed 4/12/2000 3 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 8:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: What's everyone been listening to? My recent playlist: Enigma - The screen behind the mirror Jean Michel Jarre - Metamorphoses Mergener & Weisser - Phancyful-fire Pink Floyd - Is there anybody out there? - The Wall live Dan Schulte - Electronic nightmares Various - Gift (invisible shadows) and I have Soundmill Navigator on order. Antonio Nunes From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 8:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator noise Well, if anyone cares, there's a picture of the SMN Noise early in the track at http://www.stucki.com/krhen/downloads/SMNNoisePic.gif after a HighPass filter, normalize, then noise gate. There appear to be TWO separate frequency ticks, and they alternate between the L and R channels. What does this mean? Dunno. I don't think it was meant to be there though (since it is two diff frequencies). Sure sounds awful. Soooo, how do we break the news to TDI and get our CDs fixed? (I am CCing them on this) Kristopher W. Rhen (krhen@s...) Manager, Information Systems A. Stucki Company Pittsburgh, PA From: DEREK@l... Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 9:11 pm Subject: Do I Buy 'U.S'? Hello Everyone I'm in need of some advice.I have all the tracks from 'Underwater Sunlight' on various compilations but from reading previous mail I now realise that certain tracks have been remixed. I don't know how different these remixes are ; Song of the Whale (Parts 1 & 2). - 'From Dawn 'til Dusk' Dolphin Dance. - 'The Best of TD' Ride on the Ray, Scuba Scuba & Underwater Twilight. - 'The Best of The Blue Years' Can someone throw some (sun)light on this for me? Derek P.S - The beginning of 'Scuba Scuba' sounds very abrupt. From: Radu Velicescu Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 9:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator noise On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, Rhen, Kris wrote: > You're assuming they didn't repeat a section of the tape. I'm loading the > track into SoundForge right now to do a little DSP and see what I can see. > I did notice that it pans. It is quite annoying. I was assuming they used the original 31 minutes of the concert plus some extra year 2000 sounds thrown in. The original 31 minutes would have the noise but the rest shouldn't. The noise starts during the new layers, why have the noise in the new layers if the noise is a by-product of the original recording? This, at first glance, seems to be a mastering flaw. Noise starts at minute 3 during the new layers then goes on till the end through the old layers too, same level, same pitch, same panning effect from the new layers to the old layers. Radu > > noise loop 38 min. <> concert 31 min. > > > > Sorry to stir up the stilt, just doing some math... From: 'Eric Rochon' Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 9:25 pm Subject: Hi People I am wondering if you ever heard of something name « The Headless Horseman of Hutton Henry Weird ». This great CDR was given to me and I was wondering if this band had ever released anything else, where are they from and any other related info abotu this band. Thank you very much Éric rochon@i... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22030 (no subject) Bert.Hulshoff@N... Mon 4/17/2000 2 KB 22397 (no subject) John Marchington Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB 22706 (no subject) Yensen, Stephen Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB 22885 (no subject) Daryoush Tahmasebi Fri 6/9/2000 2 KB 23644 (no subject) Owens, James Mon 8/14/2000 2 KB 24056 (no subject) Gabe Yedid Fri 9/22/2000 2 KB 25656 (no subject) keri.ford@p... Sat 1/13/2001 3 KB 27529 (no subject) Paul Lawler Thu 7/5/2001 2 KB 27909 (no subject) Colin Jouxson Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 9:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: What's everyone been listening to? 'Heros and Villains' is the ultimate in vocal polyphony for me. > -----Original Message----- > *When I was younger I thought of the Beach Boys as letter-sweater > wearing jocks with no brains or talent... then as I became more > involved in music I noticed that people like Frank Zappa and > Paul McCartney were saying that Brian Wilson was a genius with > vocal harmonies I listened to them again with the ears of a > musician and was blown away..... they really were amazing.... > > From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 9:39 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Do I Buy 'U.S'? As far as I can tell the versions of Song of the Whale and Dolphin Dance you mention are indentical to the original. I can't say for the rest, since I don't have 'best of Blue Years'. As a rule, Idon't buy compilations, unless they come as part of a set that I can't get without the comps. I still don't own Tangents or Dream Roots because of this, though now I'm actually interested in getting them since I've heard and liked the bonus tracks. > -----Original Message----- > From: DEREK@l... [SMTP:DEREK@l...] > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 4:11 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Do I Buy 'U.S'? > > Hello Everyone > I'm in need of some advice.I have all the tracks > from 'Underwater Sunlight' on various compilations but from reading > previous mail I now realise that certain tracks have been remixed. > I don't know how different these remixes are ; > Song of the Whale (Parts 1 & 2). - 'From Dawn 'til Dusk' > Dolphin Dance. - 'The Best of TD' > Ride on the Ray, Scuba Scuba & Underwater Twilight. - 'The Best of > The Blue Years' > Can someone throw some (sun)light on this for me? > Derek > P.S - The beginning of 'Scuba Scuba' sounds very abrupt. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Calling all Jazz fans. Check out DownBeatJazz.com's Digital Downloads > section where you can download free mp3s. If you're a musician, upload > your songs to DownBeatJazz.com for a chance to get reviewed by Down > Beat Editors! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2142/3/_/24785/_/955487479/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 2:18 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] What's everyone been listening to? The last few days: Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21853 SV: What's everyone been listening to? Glenn Folkvord Wed 4/12/2000 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 10:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Future Wreak soundclips? Jared White wrote: > > I'm trying to find some soundclips of Arcane's Future Wreak on the Net. Groove has a RealAudio excerpt. Go to http://www.groove.nl/sound.html and enjoy! Antonio Nunes From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 10:39 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] What's everyone been listening to? LOL something tells me, that you are into Jarre =) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Folkvord To: Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 4:18 PM Subject: SV: [tadream] What's everyone been listening to? > The last few days: > > Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses > Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses > Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses > Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses > Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses > Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses > > glenn > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Virgin's Yard Sale! Top 100 CD's up to 30% off! Lots of Giveaways & > Contests! > http://click.egroups.com/1/3000/3/_/24785/_/955491227/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 2:53 am Subject: SV: [tadream] What's everyone been listening to? >LOL something tells me, that you are into Jarre =) > >Jan What told you that? :-)) I actually played FM the other day too. all the best, Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Stuff www.folkvord.net/jarrestuff Emusic http://w3.to/_emusic From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 3:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] What's everyone been listening to? In a message dated 4/11/00 4:04:51 AM, kohntarkosz@y... writes: >I know a lot of us have been listening to >Soundmill Navigator, but what else have we had on >lately? Alphabetically, here's what I've been playing most frequently of late... Covenant: United States of Mind Delerium: Spiritual Archives Front Line Assembly: Implode Front 242: 06:21:03:11 Up Evil and 05:22:09:12 Off (there's a bit too much screaming on the second album, but overall, impressive stuff) Hawkwind: Hall of the Mountain Grill (I just got this... I'm floored!) Massive Attack: Mezzanine Moby: Play Gary Numan: the Pleasure Principle Tears for Fears: the Seeds of Love Also, I expect 'Soundmill Navigator' to arrive tomorrow. Judging from the RealAudio clips I've heard, it'll probably settle into fairly heavy rotation. :) --Daniel NP: the aforementioned Hall of the Mountain Grill From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 6:30 am Subject: Re: What's everyone been listening to? This week: TD - Flashpoint (vinyl bought yesterday at Long Eaton flea market for 2 UKP) Focus - Hamburger Concerto (ditto) Jean-Michel Jarre - Rendez-vous Jean-Michel Jarre - Magnetic Fields Rick Wakeman - Country Airs Rick Wakeman - The Six Wives Of Henry VIII TD - Antarktis/20th Century Serenades Status Quo - Piledriver (ouch!) ELP - Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends ... etc. Invisible Shadows - 'Gift' That'll do. Cheers, Steve. 0n a cold, miserable morning in Nottingham, UK. - -- Home: syensen@i... http://www.innotts.co.uk/~syensen/ Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 8:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re.what's every one's been listening to >Hi Everyone > I'm new to this list, I live in Perth, Scotland, though >i'm actually a fifer, originally from Dunfermline. Amazing! That makes three TD/EM fans either in or from Dunfermline! As an Aberdonian at heart, I have become a Dunferlinite(?) over the past 10 years. For those in the US and the rest of the world - what are the chances of such a gathering of people in a town of less than 50,000 people? Welcome to the show Derek, hope you enjoy your time here. NP : Music from the Penguin Cafe -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 11:41 am Subject: Identification of a Woman The above film is finally due for a summer release from FACETS MULTIMEDIA... Regards, Michael A. Jean Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 11:41 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator noise > The noise starts during the new layers, why have the noise in the new > layers if the noise is a by-product of the original > recording? This, at Perhaps to 'match' the sound of the old recording to better 'hide' the new stuff. > first glance, seems to be a mastering flaw. Noise starts at minute 3 > during the new layers then goes on till the end through the old layers > too, same level, same pitch, same panning effect from the new > layers to the old layers. Easy enough to do. The wonders of technology. Who knows... in any case it is a nuisance. It is odd that it ping-pongs between the L and R channels though, which would make me think otherwise about a mastering flaw. We may never know the truth. I'm in the process of re-mastering it to filter out the noise as best I can for a personal CDR because its a good CD (without the freaking fft fft ffft :-) KRIS From: 'Andy Bloyce' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 12:07 pm Subject: The Headless Horseman of Hutton Henry Eric Rochon said: > Hi People > > I am wondering if you ever heard of something name « The Headless > Horseman of Hutton Henry Weird ». This great CDR was given to > me and I was > wondering if this band had ever released anything else, where are > they from > and any other related info abotu this band. > > Thank you very much Well Eric, what you have there is a bit of a one-off. The title is actually 'The Headless Horseman of Hutton Henry' and the name of the group is wEirD. This was the demo CDR that became the wEirD album 'A Different Kind of Normal' on Neu Harmony. The version you have is an early one, but it is still mastered to the same standard. The two members of wEirD are also in Kubusschnitt, there's a website at www.kubusschnitt.de, they have more product that wEirD, BTW. All the members are very reclusive and try not to discuss their music too much. Interesting that you have that CDR, I believe *very* few copies exist. Great cover, eh! ;-) Andy Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21860 Re: The Headless Horseman of Hutton Henry craig.cordrey@g... Wed 4/12/2000 4 KB 21884 Re: The Headless Horseman of Hutton Henry Yensen, Stephen Thu 4/13/2000 3 KB From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 1:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Headless Horseman of Hutton Henry >All the members are very reclusive and try not to discuss their music too >much. Sorry to blow the recluse's cover, but if you hadn't already guessed, wEirD are Andy Bloyce and Jens Peschke, both Tadream (and Beyond_EM and ElectronicMusic) list members. Along with Tom Coppens, Ruud Heij, Kent Eskildssen (apologies if mis-spelt) and probablt some others, they form a fairly incestuous collection of musicians who record under a variety of names : Weird Kubusschnitt Nemesis Token Angle Kenton Files Nemesis and probably a few others I've missed. Since Andy appears reluctant to promote his own music, I'll do it for him : See Kubusschnitt and AirSculpture at Jodrell Bank, UK on 10th May. Kubusschnitt's new CD, The Cube, is available now (or soon?) on Neu Harmony. Also from Neu Harmony's CD-R label off-shoot is their first album, The Case. (No fee required from Andy for the above announcements, but maybe he'll buy me a beer at Arcane in a fortnight! 8-)) -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 4:03 pm Subject: Soundmill Navigator Hi! Got my copy of Soundmill Navigator today from Groove. Well, I don't want to say too much, but my first impression is not too bad. O.K., it was tangenized, but I don't think the music was/is destroyed. IMHO(!) the tangenisation is not too bad. Yes, the first 10 minutes are much overdubbed but if you know the original....... Well, I must hear the record more often, to say more. The covers says it's the FIRST HALF of the concert. Where's the 2nd half? I have approx. 50 minutes from this concert. Is that all? Bye... Rainer Rutka NP: SN (what else?) --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 3:11 pm Subject: OT: mail format question Does anybody ever get their mails (particularly Digest subscribers) in a funky format, with symbols and numbers being substituted for letters? Here is an example of what I mean: > Below are selected parts of today's digest (#460). In the sample > you'll find: > * lots of '=20's for trailing spaces, > * =AB and =BB for who knows what, > * '=C9ric' which might really be Èric or a mistyped Eric, > * =3D instead of '=', > * lots of short lines wrapped with '=\n' anyway, including such > ridiculous cases as 'yo=\nu\n' (where \n = newline) where > the line wouldn't have been any longer if left unwrapped, etc. One person gets them this way, and I need to know if more do. Please respond off-list. Thanks, Joe mailto:tadream-owner@o... From: 'Phil White' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 3:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: What's everyone been listening to? I've been listening to the following this week for what it's worth.... Not in any order although probably played Arcane most. Also just got Soundmill but haven't played it yet ( after all the negative comment I'm saving the 'pleasure' ?!? ) Arcane: Future Wreck TD: Encore Synaesthesia: Desideratum Saafi Brothers: Mystic Cigarettes Quietman: Shhhh Rolling Stones: Stripped Various:Wonder Boys Soundtrack John Prine: Lost Dogs And Mixed Blessings Happy dreaming everyone ATB Phil From: 'Carlos A. Martinez' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 5:10 pm Subject: Re: What's everyone been listening to? Hi: I've been listening this week the whole David Bowie discography (+17 CDs, a recent gift); I didn't know him in depth: God, this man is a real genius, with all the hits and misses that a creative human being can be. NP. Space Oddity _____________________________ CARLOS A. MARTINEZ, MONTERREY, MEXICO From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 6:37 pm Subject: Groove.... Hi Folks! Well, as I told you all, I got my package from Groove at the end. It seemed, that the first package they sent to me at the end of march has been 'gone with the wind'. This was the first time, I got this troubles. Fortunately, Groove replaced the whole contents (3 CDs) without any problems. I got my two TD CDs and all CDs from the first order together just some hours ago. Not too bad IMO ;-))))))))))) Ron replaced all without asking more questions. I just wanted to mail this to the group. I'm not angry about Groove. These guyes are o.k.!!! Rainer NP: Soundmill Navigator --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 5:50 pm Subject: what I've been listening to today On holiday this week so this afternoon decided to play Pergamon and Poland, not played them for a long time, forgot the brilliance of this TD Period,will probably play some more vintage tomorrow if it keeps raining. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What's everyone been listening to? Hello everyone! Let's see... I've been playing MO a lot: Incantations, Ommadawn, and Five Miles Out (always!) From Jarre, Equinoxe. Haven't played Metamorphoses for ages. From TD: Pergamon, Force Majeure, Stratosfear, Poland extracts, Le Parc, Ricochet I haven't bought a new CD for ages (last time was JMJ's Meta, more than 1 month ago). I'm looking forward to Encore, Tangram, Exit, Hyperborea, and Klaus Schulze. now playin Tangram part 1 - that first sequence right after the march... LOVE this bit!!!!! (it's an LP recording on a compilation CD-R) Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... ap: |Tangulze Dielft Errja|Michellis Tomitarine| |Mike Van Dream|Klaufs Krasche|Jeanisao Oldgewerk| http://gfjm.cjb.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21868 Re: What's everyone been listening to? Gabe Yedid Wed 4/12/2000 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 6:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What's everyone been listening to? I haven't been listening to too much this week, except for: JMJ--Metamorphoses Front Line Assembly--Implode TD--_Near Dark_ and _Canyon Dreams_ Burt Bacharach and Elvis Costello (not by choice!) cheers, Gabe From: Michael V Miller Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 6:25 pm Subject: What I listen to Hi all, According to many people I have very strange music tastes or no music taste at all. Here is a lot of what I like to listen to: Movie Soundtracks: John Williams, James Horner, Jerry Goldsmith, Alan Silvestri, Eric Serra, Brad Fiedel, Danny Elfman and a few others, Simon & Garfunkle A-ha, Tears for Fears, Depeche Mode, Talking Heads, Eiffel 65, Petra, Deleriou5? Michael W. Smith, Enya, Enigma, Jean-Michel Jarre, Tomita, Vangelis, A Flock of Seagulls, Ray Lynch, Klaus Schulze, Duran Duran, Gary Numan, Aqua, Other New Wave groups from the 80's that I can't remember now, and of course Tangerine Dream. I found them in 1990 or 1991 I still love the 1973-1988 period the best. There is much more but I can't think of them all now. Mike 'The LORD said to me that He loved me. I asked 'How much?' He said, 'This much.' and stretched out His arms and died on a cross for me.' May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 7:39 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: What's everyone been listening to? in no particular order, over the last week or so: * Brahms- compilation Tragic/Academic festival overtures * Grofe- Grand Canyon Suite (blecch! 20th century string-heavy composers make me heave! but I had to listen to it for a work project) * TD- live Brussels '81 * TD- live Palast der Republic evening show * TD- Encore * Bob Marley- Exodus * Blues Traveler- Travelers & Thieves (their best, IMO) * Moby- Play * Roy Orbison- Greatest Hits * Garcia/Grisman- Garcia/Grisman * The Beatles- Revolver * Ozric Tentacles - Become the Other * JM Jarre- Live * Vangelis- Voices (Ask the Mountains= wow!) -joe From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 8:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: What's everyone been listening to? First a comment on Joe's selections: > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [SMTP:joes@c...] > * Grofe- Grand Canyon Suite (blecch! 20th century string-heavy composers > make me heave! but I had to listen to it for a work project) ] I rather like that one actually... > * TD- live Brussels '81 > * TD- live Palast der Republic evening show > ] 2 EXCELLENT shows! > * Moby- Play ] All I've heard of them is their James Bond theme re-mix from one of the Bond soundtracks. Is the rest of their stuff good? > * Ozric Tentacles - Become the Other > ] My good friend LB has loaned me several Ozric concerts. GREAT STUFF! > * Vangelis- Voices (Ask the Mountains= wow!) > ] I love that entire album. It's Phenomenal! On my own I've been listening to Ozric Tentacles live at Boulder, CO Mike Oldfield 'Songs of Distant Earth' Yanni 'Out of Silence' Vangelis 'See You Later' TD - Santa Monica 1980 Patrick O'Hearn 'Mix-Up' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21872 Re: Re: What's everyone been listening to? Sean Montgomery Wed 4/12/2000 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 8:12 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: What's everyone been listening to? On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Owens, James E wrote: > > * Moby- Play > ] All I've heard of them is their James Bond theme re-mix from one > of the Bond soundtracks. Is the rest of their stuff good? Actually, Moby is a one man band. And Play is an excellent record, but quite different from the James Bond theme that he did. Moby's career has taken him from rave anthems like 'Go' and 'Next is the E', to ambient, to angry rock on the 'Animal Rights' record, and club dance music with 'Every Time You Touch Me'. 'Play' takes these styles, and throws in field recordings of American blues singers made in the early 20th century. It's a brilliant combination; the best thing he's done yet (just my opinion, of course). SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 9:33 pm Subject: What have I been listening to? Good thread Poly, Kubusschnitt -The Cube Paul Ellis- Appears To Vanish Patchwork- Patchwork TD- Pergamon Arcane- Future Wreck Air Sculpture- Impossible Geometries AirSculpture- Europa Arcane- Gather Darkness Can Atilla- Ave Gold Tri Vol.1 Red Shift- Ether Under The Dome- The Demon Haunted World Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 9:40 pm Subject: What have I been listening too? I don't know how I forgot to include RAMP's Nodular, which I really enjoyed!! Highly recommended . Must be lack of sleep catching up to me. Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jared White' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 9:28 pm Subject: What I've been listening to lately.... Hello, Here's what I've been listening to over the past few weeks: Alan Hovhaness (like I mentioned in a previous e-mail) Forty Years of Irish Piping by Seamus Ennis Baba Yaga by Annbjørg Lien Tubular Bells III by Mike Oldfield Spirit Trail by Bruce Hornsby No Dowry by Maighread Ní Dhomhnaill Trick of the Tail by Genesis Audion by Synergy Goblins Club by Tangerine Dream Architecture in Motion by Tangerine Dream Snow on Dragon's Peak on Great Wall of China by Tangerine Dream Voxel Ux & Lhasa on Quinoa by Tangerine Dream Psycho by Pyramid Peak (on Invisible Shadow's 'The Gift') Internet sound clips of various EM bands And I've been checking out a bunch of new TD CDs I was very happy to find recently: Pergamon Le Parc Underwater Sunlight Tyger Soundmill Navigator Plus I've been working on my own music as well as working with my Celtic band Distant Oaks as well as producing my brother's new EM album project. Whew! I like music. ;) Regards, Jared __________________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@g... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks (Celtic Music Ensemble): http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 9:51 pm Subject: Re: what's every one's been listening to This week I have mostly been listening to :- TD - Near Dark (OST) Various Artists - The Beach (OST) Eminem - The Slim Shady LP (some wicked lyrics on this - don't play it when your mum's about though! :-) ) Arcane - Gather Darkness (better than Future Wreck IMO) The Bee Gees - One Night Only (so sue me!) Lawry NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21883 Re: what's every one's been listening to Simon Slator Thu 4/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Ken Mitchell' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 2:07 am Subject: Hawkwind - Mountain Grill + Warriors > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:00:59 EDT > From: quarlie@a... >Subject: Re: What's everyone been listening to? > >Hawkwind: Hall of the Mountain Grill (I just got this... I'm floored!) >--Daniel >NP: the aforementioned Hall of the Mountain Grill Yes indeedy a real classic - you must find a copy of the 1975 follow up 'Warriors At The Edge of Time' - it's even better ! Ken ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: aoutland@a... Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 12:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [3 O'clock High] In a message dated 04/10/2000 11:28:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, james.e.owens@b... writes: << 3 O'clock doesn't get much play for me. I always skip the rather cheesy vocal track when I do play it. >> I really like that song. It's uplifting even though it's talking about having painted yourself into a corner somewhat. Perfect for the movie subject. Does anybody know the complete words of the song? What portion I've caught seems to be pretty good poetically. If I had ear phones I could maybe catch the rest of it. But I don't. I agree that the LeVay stuff on the album is excellent, the best on the album in fact. Not to say the TD music isn't good, but they were really reigned in on this one and had no chance to really explore any substantial musical ideas since the tracks were so short. Or maybe they did and the best stuff was cut out by the producer. At least the movie wasn't as bad as Near Dark. That has to be the worst one I've ever seen.....ever. Music's ok though. 8-) Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21893 Re: D:Soundtrack [3 O'clock High] Owens, James E Thu 4/13/2000 3 KB From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 4:11 am Subject: My Okefenokee remarks Hi all! Out of the swamp, and back in the desert. I got back from Georgia yesterday, and I must say it was a well-needed trip for me. It was a fantastic experience all around! The park was beautiful and not crowded by a long shot. It was also great getting to meet Vic, Marcel, James, Jim, Tom and Roger. So now there are faces to go along with the names in the emails. It was also great having the opportunity to make music with Marcel. I enjoyed it more than I would have thought! I hope to do it again sometime, if he ever needs another keyboardist or drummer, or both. :-) It was great getting to hang out with other people who share what is normally a solitary interest for me. We were like longtime friends getting together to enjoy music and nature for a couple of days. I only wish that I could have stayed another day or two. I'm sorry that more people couldn't share in the experience, it was fantastic! Although, I guess that if our group was too large, we might not have had as much free reign of the place as we did. :-) Anyway, my thanks goes to Vic for getting it all together, and his hospitality and generosity. It was a trip to remember for a long time. And it's something I'd definitely would do again. And to think, this trip would have probably never happened had TD never composed a certain song with a title that referred to the Okefenokee! Dave B. From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 7:27 am Subject: Re: What's everybody been listening to <> Did you get the remastered version, with the bonus tracks? And to whoever it was who mentioned Pet Sounds, I always though God Only Knows was one of the most GORGEOUS songs I've ever heard. NP: Hawkwind 'Urban Guerilla' (12/4/79 Gaumont, Ipswich, UK) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 7:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: What's everyone been listening to? In a message dated 4/12/2000 8:27:16 PM !!!First Boot!!!, james.e.owens@b... writes: << Patrick O'Hearn 'Mix-Up' >> *Really? that's the only Patrick O'Hearn that I don't care for.... I Love Ancient Dreams and some of the recent ones like Metaphor.... Poly From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 7:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: what's every one's been listening to In a message dated 4/12/2000 10:01:00 PM !!!First Boot!!!, lawry.simm@f... writes: << The Bee Gees - One Night Only (so sue me!) Lawry >> *Heh,heh.... Actually I always like hearing about people's 'guilty pleasure' music... almost more than the respectable ones...... I have in my collection such absolute loser music such as Bread, Journey, and worst of all (drum roll please....) a ten CD set of '70's AM gold hits...... Hey! everyone likes a candy bar now and then..... Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21892 Re: Re: what's every one's been listening to Nick Adams Thu 4/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 8:59 am Subject: re: Re: Re: what's every one's been listening to Well, if you consider Journey to be loser music..... then it feels good to be a loser!!!! ----------- ><< The Bee Gees - One Night Only (so sue me!) > Lawry >> > *Heh,heh.... Actually I always like hearing about people's 'guilty pleasure' > music... almost more than the respectable ones...... > I have in my collection such absolute loser music such as > Bread, Journey, and worst of all (drum roll please....) > a ten CD set of '70's AM gold hits...... > Hey! everyone likes a candy bar now and then..... > Poly ============== Simon Slator Website: http://pages.zoom.co.uk/simon.slator Download my own music at: http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 10:25 am Subject: Re: The Headless Horseman of Hutton Henry I also have that CD-R, which is brilliant IMHO. WHO are the models on the cover? Jens is also a member of Navigator (along with Kent Eskildsen and Tony Andersen), and has also recorded under the moniker JoxBox. Cheers, Steve. 'Alcohol gave me wings to fly, then it took away the sky' - -- Home: syensen@i... http://www.innotts.co.uk/~syensen/ Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 11:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 461 Damn you all! For days, I've scoured the Soundmill Navigator posts loooking for info on the CONTENT of the new cd, and all I can find is a endless thread about the popping mystery and problem of tangentization. WILL SOMEONE PLEASE DISCUSS THE MUSIC ITSELF? Is it all new content never before released, or is it just a small sectin of new material, like sohoman. Gracias. Inquiring minds want to know. Back to lurk. -Alan Cox Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21886 Re: Digest Number 461 Heiko Heerssen Thu 4/13/2000 3 KB 21887 Re: Digest Number 461 Rhen, Kris Thu 4/13/2000 2 KB 21890 Re: Digest Number 461 Feldon Feldon Thu 4/13/2000 3 KB 21901 Re: Digest Number 461 Jim Moore Thu 4/13/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 11:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 461 aslanfan1@a... wrote: > Damn you all! > > For days, I've scoured the Soundmill Navigator posts loooking for info on the > CONTENT of the new cd, and all I can find is a endless thread about the > popping mystery and problem of tangentization. > > WILL SOMEONE PLEASE DISCUSS THE MUSIC ITSELF? Is it all new content never > before released, or is it just a small sectin of new material, like sohoman. All the music on 'Soundmill Navigator' is totally new. NOTHING of it was officially released at an earlier date. The concert took place on June 27th, 1976 at the Philharmonic Hall in Berlin. The booklet says that what can be heard on SN is only the first half of the concert. As far as I know no-one has a recording of Part 2 (and the encore, if there was any). The original recording (which had a length of 30 minutes) was broadcasted on German Radio (on the same day?) with the artificial head system ('Kunstkopf'), but there also exists a 'normal' audience recording. To sum it up: Soundmill Navigator's music is 100% (or shall I say 150% ;-) new. Heiko From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 11:23 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 461 It sounds like this: 'fft fffft fft ffffft ffft ffftt' :-) Sorry, really I liked what I heard (Tangentizing aside), but the noise is REALLY annoying, and thus the main topic of discussion in relation to the CD. Kristopher W. Rhen (krhen@s...) > Damn you all! > > For days, I've scoured the Soundmill Navigator posts loooking > for info on the > CONTENT of the new cd, and all I can find is a endless thread > about the popping mystery and problem of tangentization. > > WILL SOMEONE PLEASE DISCUSS THE MUSIC ITSELF? Is it all new > content never > before released, or is it just a small sectin of new > material, like sohoman. From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 11:44 am Subject: Re: Discography Just a note to thank those who offered suggestions about organizing my TD collection. I've printed out all the relevant messages and will spend some time at the various suggested web sites, when time permits. There are many I didn't know about, so thanks again. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Micke Stark' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 1:16 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Mars Polaris Mispressings Matrix no: IFPI 5226 (DOCdata Germany TDI CD 016 IFPI L357) I find it in recordshop today :-),in Gothenburg (Sweden), it was their last copy :-( Regards /Micke >Did anybody out there come accross such a CD? Could you please tell the matrix >number from the CD body? This could help collectors to check CDs in their local >record store and to pick up the mispressed CDs, even if they do not follow TD's >purpose: ;-) From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 461 >aslanfan1@a... wrote: > > > For days, I've scoured the Soundmill Navigator posts loooking for info >on the > > CONTENT of the new cd, and all I can find is a endless thread about the > > popping mystery and problem of tangentization. > > > > WILL SOMEONE PLEASE DISCUSS THE MUSIC ITSELF? Is it all new content >never > > before released, or is it just a small sectin of new material, like >sohoman. Well, the details of Soundmill Navigator are listed on TDI's website, but if you need them, essentially, Soundmill Navigator starts out with 10 minutes of new music. Then it sort of fades in to the first half of the 1976 Philharmonic concert, except with numerous year 2000 melodic additions and meddlings (tangentization). In short, none of the music is untouched. Also, the disc has mastering flaws, which results in a *ch* *ch* sound that repeats throughout the whole 35+ minute disc (why does TDI feel the need to waste our time with discs less than 60 minutes?). Basically, if you want the original concert, undoctored, there are concert tapes around. If you want Edgar's interpretation (mostly done with new paint), grab Soundmill Navigator. This follows in the same vein as Sohoman, as you mentioned. -Morgan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 1:29 pm Subject: Re: What's everyone been listening to? well, it changes a lot, but this is sort of a constant subset of what's in my CD player. As my Rega Planar 3 turntable is currently located in another country, some things are missing. Beethoven - complete Violin Sonatas played by Anne Sophie Mutter - great recording John Cage - String Quartetts (in two Volumes, Arditti String Quartett) Vince Guaraldi - played by George Winston (you know that tune from the Peanuts, don't you?) Aziza Mustafa Zadeh - ALL her 5 albums. Sigh.... I love her. Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters, and more. Cool to jam to. Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mantra is a genius piece. Play it again and again and again (after all its called Mantra) Ravi Shankar - to flood my living room with some fine energies Stevie Ray Vaughan - especially 'Texas Flood' and 'Couldn't Stand the Weather' The Anonymous Four - the 'real' Spice Girls! Tom Waits - my favourite album is 'Swordfishtrombones' anything sung by Maria Callas and of course TD and KS (Mirage, X, Live, Dune, Digit, InterFace, and the first CD of the Jubilee Edition are Kick-Ass!) From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 2:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: what's every one's been listening to Ok, here are a few albums i have listened to over the past few days, Santana / Supernatural Der Laborant/ Kontakt Omega / Gammapoilis TD / Soundmill Navigator Tim Blake / Paris 1977 Eloy / Floating Eloy / Ocean Eloy / Ocean 2 Far east family band / The cave, down to earth Kubuschnitt / The Cube Arcane / Future wreck Schulze / Dune Triumvirat / Sparticus Waveshape / Vestige the next steps And i am now playing the new RMI album '' Upstairs downstairs'' quite stunning so far, but haven't heard it all yet. Nick Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 3:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [3 O'clock High] Never seen 3 O'clock, but I actually liked Near Dark... Kind of a cool cult vampire flick, like a less popular version of lost boys. But if you aren't into that sort of thing, I could see it being just cheesy and gruesome. > -----Original Message----- > From: aoutland@a... [SMTP:aoutland@a...] > At least the movie wasn't as bad as Near Dark. That has to be the > worst > one I've ever seen.....ever. Music's ok though. 8-) Dell > From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 3:34 pm Subject: O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? It's lively and keeps me awake at work. My favorite is 'River's Gonna Rise' along with the first 2 tracks of 'Indigo' (talk about dark and eerie... I used these two tracks as background music for Ravenloft games...) James > -----Original Message----- > From: Synthhtnys@a... [SMTP:Synthhtnys@a...] > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 2:33 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: What's everyone been listening to? > > In a message dated 4/12/2000 8:27:16 PM !!!First Boot!!!, > james.e.owens@b... writes: > > << Patrick O'Hearn 'Mix-Up' >> > > *Really? that's the only Patrick O'Hearn that I don't care for.... > I Love Ancient Dreams and some of the recent ones like Metaphor.... > > Poly > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Smart enough to know that the BH Surfers aren't from Beverly Hills? > New Music Site needs alt rock fan to rate songs. > Have your say, earn compensation too. JABOOM.com > http://click.egroups.com/1/3348/3/_/24785/_/955611218/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 4:54 pm Subject: RE:O'hearn I liked ancient dreams too, maybe I should try Metaphor. I haven't been checking his stuff out for years. Message: 25 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 03:33:29 EDT From: Synthhtnys@a... Subject: Re: Re: What's everyone been listening to? In a message dated 4/12/2000 8:27:16 PM !!!First Boot!!!, james.e.owens@b... writes: << Patrick O'Hearn 'Mix-Up' >> *Really? that's the only Patrick O'Hearn that I don't care for.... I Love Ancient Dreams and some of the recent ones like Metaphor.... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Bennett Cookson Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 4:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? Excellent music: My favorites are 'River's Gonna Rise,' Eldorado, and all but the first 2 tracks of 'Indigo' (too dark and eerie for me) On Eldorado, Mark Isham plays a really cool Flugelhorn on tracks 6 and 9. 'There's Always tomorrow' (track 10) is one of those mellow soothing masterpieces. I like everything except Mix-up (too mixed up) and Metaphor (too much ultra low bass) --Bennett np: Eldorado [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21902 Re: O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening C. Chambers Thu 4/13/2000 2 KB 21904 Re: O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening C. Chambers Thu 4/13/2000 3 KB 21907 Re: O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening C. Chambers Thu 4/13/2000 3 KB 21909 Re: O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening Jim Moore Thu 4/13/2000 2 KB 21911 Re: O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening Craig Chambers Thu 4/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 4:47 pm Subject: RE: Music this week * TD- this weeks best of CDR (cuts from Tangents, Book of Dreams) * Mind~flux - current favorites CDR * Bob Marley - best of CDR * Joe Satriani - Engines of Creation * Steve Vai - best of CDR * Alan Parsons - Time Machine All the CDRs are from CDs I bought [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 5:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: What's everyone been listening to? > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James E [mailto:james.e.owens@b...] ... > > * Grofe- Grand Canyon Suite (blecch! 20th century > string-heavy composers > > make me heave! but I had to listen to it for a work project) > ] I rather like that one actually... ok, ok. I'll give it a second shot. honestly, I didn't listen to the whole thing yet, and work is not exactly the right environment- I should take it home on the headphones, with a good cigar and a couple bottles of dopplebock. maybe have some Bonanza or The Big Valley reruns in the background witht he sound off... > > * TD- live Brussels '81 > > * TD- live Palast der Republic evening show > ] 2 EXCELLENT shows! 2 'knock your socks off' shows. hard to decide which I like better, but Brussels may be the best show of the period. > > > * Moby- Play > ] All I've heard of them is their James Bond theme > re-mix from one > of the Bond soundtracks. Is the rest of their stuff good? I've been so far out of the loop that I hadn't even heard of him until last year. Moby's drummer brought his mac in for repair, and gave us a demo tape and some tix to the show, and I didn't even listen tot he tape until after I missed the show. I kicked myself hard for that one. 'Play' is very good all the way through. I recommend it. > > > * Ozric Tentacles - Become the Other > > > ] My good friend LB has loaned me several Ozric > concerts. GREAT STUFF! yup. got about 10 albums now. Funny, I played one at poker last week and one of the guys said it sounded like 'Eddy Van Halen meets Kraftwerk'. LOL! I usually hear 'Hawkwind meets TD', but I guess his was the more mainstream version... > > * Vangelis- Voices (Ask the Mountains= wow!) > ] I love that entire album. It's Phenomenal! no doubt. and you know, Vangelis (that's a hard G, BTW) taught himself music since age 4... > Yanni 'Out of Silence' I know, listening to Yanni is kinda like the moped/fat chick joke. It's good until your friends find out. ;-) From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 5:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: What's everyone been listening to? well, i guess he had people with him on this last tour. maybe he does everything by himself in the studio... > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@t...] ... > Actually, Moby is a one man band. And Play is an excellent From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 7:47 pm Subject: I ran into Chris Franke yesterday (literally!) Hey folks... Yesterday the coolest thing happened...I was in Vegas for the NAB (National Association of Broadcasters) tradeshow which is one of the largest non-consumer oriented tradeshows in the world. Here, they have showcases for all manner of things associated with broadcast radio, television, studio production, etc. It is really a cool show if you are a techie like me. Anyway, I just left a very high level meeting with a lot of tension across the table and was kinda in a daze and thought I would shoot over to the Tascam booth to check out what's new with some of their DAT gear. So I am strolling along and I am talking to my wife on the cell phone, not really paying attention and I bump right into this guy...I look him staright in the eye and say 'Chris??' 'Christoph??' and realizing it is him I hang up on my wife! So he looks at me and says 'I know you?' and I say 'no, no...I know you though, from your wonderful music!' My heart is pounding and my head is spinning as I am trying to think of what to say. So he asked me what I do for a living and I explain to him that I am in the digital satellite TV business so he starts telling about how he just signed up for Direct TV and just loves the quality. I ask him what he is doing at NAB and how it is going and he says that he is working on some multimedia things using High Definition for the video and was just checking things out. He asked me where I was from and I told him Atlanta...we chatted briefly a bit more and he said he had to run and catch a flight back to LA. So I was tempted to ask him for an autograph, but I really didn't want to take away from the moment...I shook his hand and said 'it was a pleasure meeting you' and he turned and drifted away into a crowd of people. After I pulled my head from the rafters, I called my wife back and she said 'YOU HUNG UP ON ME!!!' I said 'I know, I know, but I ran into Chris Franke!' her response was 'Who??' 'Chris Franke...Tangerine Dream!!' 'Who is he? a member or something??' 'Not just a member, but one of THE members!'...her response was 'oh...hmmm' I guess some people just don't get as excited about certain things as I do. So here I am going into another meeting, and I am grinning and still floating and everybody is looking at me. My boss looks at me and says, 'Craig, you look like a cat who just caught a mouse, what's up?' and I replied, 'oh nothing, I just ran into a very old and dear friend and it made my day.' Needless to say, yesterday was a wonderful day! Craig From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 5:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 461 From: 'Feldon Feldon' > repeats throughout the whole 35+ minute disc (why does TDI feel the need to > waste our time with discs less than 60 minutes?). My time wasn't wasted... - jim From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 8:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? > Excellent music: My favorites are 'River's Gonna Rise,' Eldorado, and all > but the first 2 tracks of 'Indigo' (too dark and eerie for me) > > On Eldorado, Mark Isham plays a really cool Flugelhorn on tracks 6 and 9. > 'There's Always tomorrow' (track 10) is one of those mellow soothing > masterpieces. Eldorado is Great!! Man, this album is full of wonderful music...'Hear Our Prayer' is one of those rare spine-tinglers IMO. Thanks for this thread...I am listening to this again right now (it has been a few years). I love Isham's flugelhorn and Peter Maunu's guitar/violin work... From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 8:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE:O'hearn The Private Music releases are more melodic, where the Deep Cave releases get into more dark ambient territory, yet keeping that punching bass line around to keep it moving...I miss Patrick. > I liked ancient dreams too, maybe I should try Metaphor. > I haven't been checking his stuff out for years. > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21913 Re: RE:O'hearn Synthhtnys@a... Thu 4/13/2000 2 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 9:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? > > > Excellent music: My favorites are 'River's Gonna Rise,' Eldorado, and all > > but the first 2 tracks of 'Indigo' (too dark and eerie for me) > > > > On Eldorado, Mark Isham plays a really cool Flugelhorn on tracks 6 and 9. > > 'There's Always tomorrow' (track 10) is one of those mellow soothing > > masterpieces. > > Eldorado is Great!! Man, this album is full of wonderful music...'Hear Our > Prayer' is one of those rare spine-tinglers IMO. Thanks for this thread...I > am listening to this again right now (it has been a few years). > > I love Isham's flugelhorn and Peter Maunu's guitar/violin work... One more comment...as I am listening, I recall the majesty of 'Black Delilah', MAN! What a killer tune...this is one of those that could go on for hours, but it stops way too short at 5 min. With the exception of KS work with Tiepold, this rates as the best combination of string/electronics that have graced my ears... Okay, another comment. 'Chattahoochie Field Day' is the next track. It too is really great with a nice bass melody. This song reminds me of the '70's when we used to go rafting down the Chattahoochie River on a quiet weekend with a cooler of refreshments and some 'stuff' that had a funny smell when it burned...not a care in the world. Man, I love this CD. Any other Atlanta folks remeber the Chattahoochie Raft race days? Craig From: tom807@a... Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 5:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I ran into Chris Franke yesterday (literally!) In a message dated 4/13/00 1:19:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, craigchambers@c... writes: > .I look him staright in the > eye and say 'Chris??' 'Christoph??' and realizing it is him I hang up on my > wife! I talked to Chris(tophe) on the telephone once. He is the most sincere, friendly person I'd ever have the pleasure of stammering to. -- Tom http://www.mp3.com/tom807 From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 5:55 pm Subject: Music listening environment (was: grand Cayon Suite conversation...) I'm sort of partial to Grand Canyon Suite, because my dad used to put on the LP, light a few candles and turn out all the lights. All four of us would sit there in the living room and just live in the music. He played other things too, like Bolero, The Sorceror's Apprentice, etc. Thanks Dad for teaching me how to appreciate music! In later years we'd pop on Kitaro 'In Person' or Vangelis 'Opera Sauvage' and 'Chariots of Fire' or Yanni 'Out of Silence'. (I didn't discover TD until college, after I moved away from home). In Defense of Yanni, his earlier works are quite powerful and VERY heavy in Synth with nice driving rythms and even a sequencer or arpeggiator here and there. Listen to 'Strings' from _Optimystique_ and you'll gain a new respect for him! James > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [SMTP:joes@c...] > > > * Grofe- Grand Canyon Suite (blecch! 20th century > > ok, ok. I'll give it a second shot. honestly, I didn't listen to the > whole > thing yet, and work is not exactly the right environment- I should take it > home on the headphones, with a good cigar and a couple bottles of > dopplebock. maybe have some Bonanza or The Big Valley reruns in the > background witht he sound off... > > > Yanni 'Out of Silence' > > I know, listening to Yanni is kinda like the moped/fat chick joke. It's > good until your friends find out. ;-) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > eLerts > It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! > http://click.egroups.com/1/3080/3/_/24785/_/955645880/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 9:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? > > > Excellent music: My favorites are 'River's Gonna Rise,' Eldorado, and all > > but the first 2 tracks of 'Indigo' (too dark and eerie for me) > > > > On Eldorado, Mark Isham plays a really cool Flugelhorn on tracks 6 and 9. > > 'There's Always tomorrow' (track 10) is one of those mellow soothing > > masterpieces. > > Eldorado is Great!! Man, this album is full of wonderful music...'Hear Our > Prayer' is one of those rare spine-tinglers IMO. Thanks for this thread...I > am listening to this again right now (it has been a few years). > > I love Isham's flugelhorn and Peter Maunu's guitar/violin work... One more comment...as I am listening, I recall the majesty of 'Black Delilah', MAN! What a killer tune...this is one of those that could go on for hours, but it stops way too short at 5 min. With the exception of KS work with Tiepold, this rates as the best combination of string/electronics that have graced my ears... Okay, another comment. 'Chattahoochie Field Day' is the next track. It too is really great with a nice bass melody. This song reminds me of the '70's when we used to go rafting down the Chattahoochie River on a quiet weekend with a cooler of refreshments and some 'stuff' that had a funny smell when it burned...not a care in the world. Man, I love this CD. Any other Atlanta folks remeber the Chattahoochie Raft race days? Craig From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 6:46 pm Subject: Recommendations wanted about KS Hello dreamers! Maybe I asked this before here, but I'd like to know what to buy first from KS. I heard bits of Moondawn and Dig It. I had the impression that Moondawn is an extremely slow-developing album, and I have cloudy memories of the final part of Floating as an electronic frenzy. I found Dig It a bit weird; but I think I liked it. I'm not sure what I should get from KS for a good start; Mirage? Moondawn? Timewind? Irrlicht? X? Trancefer? It would be great if someone could give me a briefing about KS's best albums, what the music sound like, or direct me to a site where I could find this information, or some place where I could find music excerpts. Anyway,thanks,always Jobim playing Logos part 2 (last 5 minutes) - it's my favourite track in this album, surely. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... ap: |Tangulze Dielft Errja|Michellis Tomitarine| |Mike Van Dream|Klaufs Krasche|Jeanisao Oldgewerk| http://gfjm.cjb.net From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 7:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? > Any other Atlanta folks remeber the Chattahoochie Raft race days? > Craig I remember the Chattahoochie-get-really-drunk-and-sunburned days... Ever notice that no one ever floats south of Atlanta Road? - jim From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 8:37 pm Subject: RE Yanni, Tango and O'Hearn In reference to Yanni, hell, I'm not ashamed to say that I love his music! I have every CD of his. Yeah, his music is a bit mellow, new-ageish, but he has great melodies. I can't recall a track of his that I couldn't stand or one that I had to skip. I can't say that about TD. With TD it's more often hit or miss. I have to say that I absolutely abhor 'Purple Haze' with passion! Not to mention the other night I was listening to TD's Tango for the first time the other night and after I heard the first five tracks I had to turn the damn CD player off! I found myself asking myself, 'What the hell is this techno dance crap!?' I sure as hell hope the rest of the this double CD is better than this, otherwise, I'm in for a major dissappointment! But after all is said and done I still love TD and they're second to none in my book. But what about 'Tango', I haven't heard anything from anybody about Tango? You guys brought up O'Hearn so I had to bring out one my of six CD's that I have of his and I had to put on Sacred Heart [In repeat mode for about six or eight spins]. That's one of my favorite all-time tracks. Great piano and bass line. Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? > > Any other Atlanta folks remeber the Chattahoochie Raft race days? > > Craig > > I remember the Chattahoochie-get-really-drunk-and-sunburned days... > > Ever notice that no one ever floats south of Atlanta Road? Could it have anything to do with the fact that the Water Treatment Plant expels its contents in that general area? :-) From: 'twosheds' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 7:58 pm Subject: : Re: O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? >> Excellent music: My favorites are 'River's Gonna Rise,' Eldorado, and all >> but the first 2 tracks of 'Indigo' (too dark and eerie for me) > >> On Eldorado, Mark Isham plays a really cool Flugelhorn on tracks 6 and 9. >> 'There's Always tomorrow' (track 10) is one of those mellow soothing >> masterpieces. >Eldorado is Great!! Man, this album is full of wonderful music...'Hear Our >Prayer' is one of those rare spine-tinglers IMO. Thanks for this thread...I >am listening to this again right now (it has been a few years). >I love Isham's flugelhorn and Peter Maunu's guitar/violin work... Finally! Another Isham fan! He's kind of a whore when it comes to soundtracks, in that he'll do just about anything they shove in front of him, but he's still great. We listened to the soundtrack to 'The Beast' a few years back while driving across the Mojave Desert. Fit the mood perfectly. 'Tibet' is another of my faves. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21923 Isham Michael A Jean Fri 4/14/2000 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 8:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE:O'hearn In a message dated 4/13/2000 5:52:49 PM !!!First Boot!!!, craigchambers@c... writes: << The Private Music releases are more melodic, where the Deep Cave releases get into more dark ambient territory, yet keeping that punching bass line around to keep it moving...I miss Patrick. >> *I like the deep cave releases very much...I have to say that I saw Patrick O'Hearn live (I believe it was the River's Gonna Rise tour) and it was the best EM/New Age/ Ambient (whatever) show I've ever seen... he's a great performer. I hope he tours again.... Poly From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 8:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE Yanni, Tango and O'Hearn A few a Yanni's tracks are a bit too mellow for me, but I like most all of his stuff. I went to his concert at The Forum in L.A. AWESOME! My wife was really impressed. She likes Yanni music, but was kind of expecting it to be rather dull to watch a guy sit and play on a synth (even after seeing 'Live at the Acropolis' on video). We were both really pumped after the concert. Yanni is a real performer and puts on a very impressive show. There's probably not much talk about Tango because it's a compilation. No New material = no new discussion... > -----Original Message----- > In reference to Yanni, hell, I'm not ashamed to say that I love his > music! I have every CD of his. Yeah, his music is a bit mellow, > new-ageish, but he has great melodies. I can't recall a track of his that > I couldn't stand or one that I had to skip. I can't say that about TD. > With TD it's more often hit or miss. I have to say that I absolutely abhor > 'Purple Haze' with passion! Not to mention the other night I was > listening to TD's Tango for the first time the other night and after I > heard the first five tracks I had to turn the damn CD player off! I found > myself asking myself, 'What the hell is this techno dance crap!?' I sure > as hell hope the rest of the this double CD is better than this, > otherwise, I'm in for a major dissappointment! But after all is said and > done I still love TD and they're second to none in my book. But what about > 'Tango', I haven't heard anything from anybody about Tango? > > From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] : Re: O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? > Finally! Another Isham fan! He's kind of a whore when it comes to > soundtracks, in that he'll do just about anything they shove in front of > him, but he's still great. We listened to the soundtrack to 'The Beast' a > few years back while driving across the Mojave Desert. Fit the mood > perfectly. 'Tibet' is another of my faves. 'The Beast'...hmmm, maybe my all time favorite soundtrack, okay not as good as Peter Gabriel's 'Passion' but very close! From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 9:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Music listening environment (was: grand Cayon Suite conversation...) well, i'm making a joke out of it (a bad one),but I mean that I like some yanni. what did somebody call it 'guilty pleasures'? I like Bread, too. a lot. > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James E [mailto:james.e.owens@b...] > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 1:55 PM > To: 'tadream@egroups.com' > Subject: [tadream] Music listening environment (was: grand Cayon Suite > conversation...) > > > I'm sort of partial to Grand Canyon Suite, because my dad > used to put on the > LP, light a few candles and turn out all the lights. All > four of us would > sit there in the living room and just live in the music. He > played other > things too, like Bolero, The Sorceror's Apprentice, etc. > > Thanks Dad for teaching me how to appreciate music! > > In later years we'd pop on Kitaro 'In Person' or Vangelis > 'Opera Sauvage' > and 'Chariots of Fire' or Yanni 'Out of Silence'. > (I didn't discover TD until college, after I moved away from home). > > In Defense of Yanni, his earlier works are quite powerful and > VERY heavy in > Synth with nice driving rythms and even a sequencer or > arpeggiator here and > there. Listen to 'Strings' from _Optimystique_ and you'll gain a new > respect for him! > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Shoults [SMTP:joes@c...] > > > > * Grofe- Grand Canyon Suite (blecch! 20th century > > > > ok, ok. I'll give it a second shot. honestly, I didn't > listen to the > > whole > > thing yet, and work is not exactly the right environment- I > should take it > > home on the headphones, with a good cigar and a couple bottles of > > dopplebock. maybe have some Bonanza or The Big Valley reruns in the > > background witht he sound off... > > > > > Yanni 'Out of Silence' > > > > I know, listening to Yanni is kinda like the moped/fat > chick joke. It's > > good until your friends find out. ;-) > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > eLerts > > It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! > > http://click.egroups.com/1/3080/3/_/24785/_/955645880/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Smart enough to know that the BH Surfers aren't from Beverly Hills? > New Music Site needs alt rock fan to rate songs. > Have your say, earn compensation too. JABOOM.com > http://click.egroups.com/1/3348/3/_/24785/_/955649551/ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > From: 'teiwaz _' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 9:11 pm Subject: what I've been listening to... what I've been listening to this week TD 10/25/81 Newcastle City Hall TD Soundmill Navigator TD Real Berlin Philharmonics TD Rerecordings from the Tangents Box set Ian Boddy and Chris Carter--Caged Material--Wake Up and Dream Keller and SchoenWaelder--Concerts and More Loops The WHO--Bridge School Benefits 10/30/99 and 10/31/99 'Acoustic' --teiwaz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 9:50 pm Subject: Shepard's Bush single question Hi all, Are the versions of 'Eleanor Rigby' and 'Theif Yang and the Tangram Seal' the same on Shepard's Bush and Dream Encores? I have Dream Encores, but not Shepard's Bush, and wondered if it is the same content. Thanks, James From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Mars Polaris Mispressing Matrix Dear Mars hunters, > Subject: SV: Mars Polaris Mispressings > > > Matrix no: IFPI 5226 (DOCdata Germany TDI CD 016 IFPI L357) > I find it in recordshop today :-),in Gothenburg (Sweden), it > was their last copy :-( My 'correct' copy has the matrxi number: DOCdata Germany TDI EFA CD 63016 IFPI L 357 the differences are: - no 'IFPI 5226' at the beginning of the matrix code - 'EFA CD 63016' instead of 'CD 016' Happy hunting for the 'IFPI 5226' versions!!! Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22001 976 KB in Concert Rainer Rutka Sun 4/16/2000 3 KB 22002 Sorry! Rainer Rutka Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB From: 'Herod, Galen (NBC)' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 9:45 pm Subject: private message for twosheds Love the nickname. I'm a composer and I actually have two sheds! G Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. From: aoutland@a... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 12:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] What's everyone been listening to? In a message dated 04/11/2000 4:41:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Synthhtnys@a... writes: << I've been into >> NP: TD: Manchester 11-15-76 What A Blast Great Wall of China Non TD: Blackmores/Night: Shadow of the Moon BBC Radiophonic Workshop Compilation K Shulze/A Grossner: Babel Tangerine Ambiance: Tributes to TD Franke: McBain From: 'Steven ' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 12:31 am Subject: What's everyone been listening to? Hey all, Currently, I cannot STOP listening to The Soundtrack To the video game Starfox (It is excellent, I am sure some of you would like it & it is also RARE!) Lately, I am also 'addicted' to the soundtrack of The Dr. Who: Ghost Light. (TGF ebay) I may get some more of these. :) Used to feel the same way about the soundtrackto Robot Carnival! It is short clips like 3'Clock High & Dead Solid Perfect. But it is Totally Super Excellent!!!! Got GWOC have not really 'listened' to it. Since there is so much bitching about SN, may not get it at all.. Yeah, Right! LOL siberkat From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 2:06 am Subject: Isham I just got an autographed cd for his new Film RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. I won a contest in his newsletter. MJ > - > >I love Isham's flugelhorn and Peter Maunu's guitar/violin work... > > Finally! Another Isham fan! He's kind of a whore when it comes to > soundtracks, in that he'll do just about anything they shove in front of > him, but he's still great. We listened to the soundtrack to 'The Beast' a > few years back while driving across the Mojave Desert. Fit the mood > perfectly. 'Tibet' is another of my faves. > > Scott > > > > From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 2:15 am Subject: Re: (OT) Hall of the Mountain Grill In a message dated 4/13/00 3:29:04 AM, kohntarkosz@y... writes: ><got this... I'm floored!)>> > >Did you get the remastered version, with the >bonus tracks? Indeed I did. Expensive, but worth it. Actually, I don't believe any other versions of the album were available on the sites I checked. --Daniel NP: Soundmill Navigator (very good, even with the new additions) From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 4:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Recommendations wanted about KS Greetings! When you hear one KS cd you have basically heard them all! Rick NP-The Beach Soundtrack (This is a good soundtrack) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21928 Re: Recommendations wanted about KS Synthhtnys@a... Fri 4/14/2000 2 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 5:15 am Subject: Re: Soundmill Navigator length In a message dated 4/13/00 9:28:51 AM, feldon23@h... writes: >Also, >the disc has mastering flaws, which results in a *ch* *ch* sound that >repeats throughout the whole 35+ minute disc (why does TDI feel the need >to waste our time with discs less than 60 minutes?). Why is an album a waste of time just because it's not as long as it could be? Almost all of TD's '70s albums are well under an hour. Does that make 'Rubycon,' at about 35 minutes, a waste of time as well? I don't mind people criticizing TD, but here it seems like you're actively looking for things to bash. Aren't the contents of SN's 41 minutes more important than the 41 minutes themselves? Just my opinion. --Daniel NP: Front 242--06:21:03:11 Up Evil From: Chris Richards Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 6:05 am Subject: Re: Brush With Greatness Craig!!! Great story!!! I know what you mean about how some people just seem to not get what the big deal is. My co-workers can't comprehend why I go to shows three or four hours before the doors open. Well, one is because I get antsy hanging around the house, and the other is of course, I've met a lot of really cool people (the only autographs missing from my copy of the Yes album Relayer are Patrick Moraz and Roger Dean) because I showed up early. :-) They might not understand the big deal about meeting Jon Anderson or Steve Howe (they would really be impressed if I said that I had met Don McLean or one of those nerds who sang Afternoon Delight), but like I really care, ya know? :-) NP: Yes 'Time And A Word' (Yesshows) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 8:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Recommendations wanted about KS In a message dated 4/14/2000 4:49:08 AM !!!First Boot!!!, rbrown4856@a... writes: << When you hear one KS cd you have basically heard them all! Rick NP-The Beach Soundtrack (This is a good soundtrack) >> *I'd say that's relatively true for the last decade or so, but not at all of the '70's work... X sounds nothing like Mirage which sounds nothing like Moondawn which sounds nothing like Picture Music or Body Love or Timewind..........Which, if you haven't guessed are the ones I'd recommend you check out.... A patient ear is rewarded with these works, but if you like your music more on the accessible side it may not be to your liking,,,, Poly From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 11:36 am Subject: Re: Recommendations wanted about KS /RE: [tadream] Digest Number 464 > Re: Recommendations wanted about KS > > In a message dated 4/14/2000 4:49:08 AM !!!First Boot!!!, > rbrown4856@a... > writes: > > << When you hear one KS cd you have basically heard them all! > > *I'd say that's relatively true for the last decade or so, but not at all > of > the > '70's work... X sounds nothing like Mirage which sounds nothing like > Moondawn > which sounds nothing like Picture Music or Body Love > or Timewind..........Which, if you haven't guessed are the ones I'd > recommend > you check out.... A patient ear is rewarded with these works, but if you > like > your music more on the accessible side it may not be > to your liking,,,, > > Poly > > Well Poly, Here I partly agree with you, but I think that there is still progression in KS music, Listen to In Blue or Are you sequenced? Or try the Darkside of the Moog albums. My favs are : Timewind, Mirage, X, Body Love, Entrance and believe it or not 'Das Wagner Disaster' Keep on Dreamin' Bert aka Phrozenlight my Homepage http://go.to/phrozenlight (always under construction) please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-) From: izyrp@o... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 12:58 pm Subject: Soundmill Navigator once again I've got Soundmill Navigator today and I don't know, if I ever can put up with this bloody ssssssssfffft,sssssssffft-sound.Without reading your comments about it, I'd have thought this sound is just a synth-generated rhythmical element as often used in the studio by Klaus Schulze. But with the SN -recording-time passing by I'd have started to think that this 'rhythmical element' kind of gotten out of control during the so called 'improvised 1976 concert performance' .As you said it's not even this very concert that we have here. It's a shame really, that TDI is claiming in the booklet to sell something which is not what we can hear and they even dare to release such a technically poor recording on which we are supposed to listen more to a damaged old tape's sounds than to any concert performance. I will stop here, otherwise I may go to far here in my disappointment. What was on Edgars mind while doing it? I still can't believe that the dudes on 'electronic music' could be particularly right with what they saying! Zbig From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 1:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Soundmill Navigator length >From: quarlie@a... >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Re: Soundmill Navigator length >Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:15:49 EDT > >In a message dated 4/13/00 9:28:51 AM, feldon23@h... writes: > > >Also, > >the disc has mastering flaws, which results in a *ch* *ch* sound that > >repeats throughout the whole 35+ minute disc (why does TDI feel the need > >to waste our time with discs less than 60 minutes?). > >Why is an album a waste of time just because it's not as long as it could >be? >Almost all of TD's '70s albums are well under an hour. Does that make >'Rubycon,' at about 35 minutes, a waste of time as well? Rubycon and all of those albums had to fit in 42 minutes as those were the limitations of a vinyl album. You'll notice that some artists have re-released material from back then on CD and added 20-30 minutes of more material to make it more worthwhile. >I don't mind people criticizing TD, but here it seems like you're actively >looking for things to bash. Aren't the contents of SN's 41 minutes more >important than the 41 minutes themselves? Sorry, to complain. I just think both halves of the Philharmonic could've been stuck on there, or at least the first half and then the first movement of the 2nd half. And yes, the content is more important. -Morgan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21939 Re: Re: Soundmill Navigator length Antonio Nunes Fri 4/14/2000 2 KB 21975 Re: Why the flawed English, TD? Andrew Rozsa Sat 4/15/2000 3 KB 21979 Re: Why the flawed English, TD? Gabe Yedid Sat 4/15/2000 3 KB 21997 Re: flawed English, TD? Michael A Jean Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22007 Mom 'n Pop's (read: Edgar's) Flawed English Steven Feldman Sun 4/16/2000 3 KB 21940 Re: Re: Soundmill Navigator length DEREK LAING Fri 4/14/2000 3 KB From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 2:08 pm Subject: Isskinkan >Finally! Another Isham fan! He's kind of a whore when it comes to >soundtracks, in that he'll do just about anything they shove in front of >him, but he's still great. We listened to the soundtrack to 'The Beast' a >few years back while driving across the Mojave Desert. Fit the mood >perfectly. 'Tibet' is another of my faves. >Scott ..And here is another one. I am especially fond of The Hitcher. It almost seems as though the film and the score were made by the same person as they fit so amazingly well together. The beginning is sheer magic. Olle From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 2:30 pm Subject: KS - what to hear Dear Gustavo, I do not have all albums of KS (not yet), but pretty much. Here is what I think of his albums, in chronological order 1) Irrlicht Like TD, KS went through some experimental phase in the early 70s. KS himself describes Irrlicht as a 'short circuit of an organ' - he opened an organ and started changing connections just to get some funny sounds the organ was not supposed to do in the first place. Along with it an orchestra he got to play something for him (they didn't wanted to be mentioned on the album afterwards). He taped them with one of those cheap mono tape recorders and *had* to modify the sound afterwards.... Anyway: if you like TD's 'pink' years, you may like Irrlicht, though it sounds very different, but it is just as experimental. I, by the way, love it (I know you think I'm weird...) 2) Timewind gently floating, nice, good for meditation. Cool sequencer, but not of the throbbing TD Rubycon kind. Very gentle. 3) Moondawn first track similar to Timewind, but bass sequence and more 'rocking'. second track starts very meditating, but turns into a rock tune with drums. 4) Body Love Vol II (don't have Vol I) 'Nowhere Now Here' is a damn cool long piece with great sequencer build up and nice Mini Moog solos. Can make any TD 70s track look small. Lots of mellotron, too (the standard TD/KS 70s choir sound - awesome). And 'Stardancer' is one of THE 70s synth tunes. 5) Mirage You get lost in it. Very nice and gentle, but also powerful. Great bass. Its subtitled 'an electronic winter landscape' and should be enjoyed with maximum concentration 6) X Has it all from rocking tunes (great sequences and Harald Grosskopf on drums as on Moondawn - this guy is great!) to spooky silent stuff, and of course the absolute KS Classic 'Ludwig II von Bayern' which is a MUST HAVE 7) Dune first track: Metallic synth plus Cello, the ultimate sountrack to a dune movie yet to be made. I mean: think of that combination! There have been live performances with KS on one side of the stage with his massive analoge equipment - he'd sit in a lotos position on the floor (on a white furry carpet, actually) surrounded by countless keyboards and his big PPG modular, and on the other side of the stage - nothing but Wolfgang Tiepold on a chair with his cello. The music is wonderfully mysterious, and majestic too. second track: Arthur brown singing - its a bit like 30min long poetry reading to an almost non-changing sequence. But its nice to get lost in it. Dune and X are my KS faves. 8) Live not very good sound quality, but a good summary of KS mid and late 70s. Get the new 2CD with the complete track 'Sense' (again includes H.Grosskopf on drums) - one of the absolute best pieces of electronic music from the Berlin school. Can seriously compete with TD's Rubycon/Ricochet/Encore or whatever. Also Arthur brown singing on the 4th track (of 4). It may not be really nice, but its cool enough and - no tangentizing!!! 9) Dig It This is quite a particular album. Call it 'groovy'. A both simple and tricky drum groove in 'Death of an Analogue' and vocoder voices. 'Weird Caravan' has a fantastic drum and bass loop, borrowed from 'Ideal', a german pop band popular at that time (and produced by KS). Nothing cheesy here, a not only soundwise but also rhythmically very clever album. At that time I found KS way better than TD. 10) Transfer quite spacy, but it looses itself. 11) Audentity it is here where KS runs out of ideas a bit, I think. I've seen him live two times during that period which was much better. He rocks and gets wild on two Mini Moogs like others do with an electric guitar, but unfortunately it doesn't show that intensively on the albums, except on... 12) Dciekuje Poland ...which is live. btw: I shot some pics on one of above mentioned gigs: go to http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/ks/ks.html 13) InterFace similar to Dig It. But much louder and wilder 14) Dreams as the title says: Dreamy, run out of ideas 15) Miditerranean Pads, Beyond Recall, EnTrance I'm inclinded to say the same for these as for Dreams 16) Royal Concert Hall Vol I / Vol II / The Dome Event These three are very similar and to be regarded as a trilogy anyway - they are mostly live (means: a studio track added on each, no tangentizing or something like that). Schulze plays a lot with funny samples. Musicwise it is very similar to his previous work but the sound is completely different. I enjoy these a lot. May turn your living room into a cathedral. 17) Are You Sequenced 2 CDs of basically the same, trance like fiddling. Not the kind of minimalism as with Philip Glass, but still enjoyable. A friend of mine from Canada who likes Kraftwerk and the UK Drum'n'Bass scene liked this a lot! 18) Doesborg Online I find this one quite poor, especially the singing. Merely a paraphrase of some standards 'opera riff', if there is an expression like this, but not really inventive. I won't go into commenting the Silver (10CD) or Jubliee (25CD) edition. Too much. and finally to comment this: >Greetings! > > When you hear one KS cd you have basically heard them all! > >Rick This is completely rubbish. Whoever writes this shows his lack of empathy for music. Sorry, don't want to start a flame war, but this statement up there is so blatantly wrong. Could be taken out of Paul Stump's 'Digital Gothic'. Armin Armin Theissen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath Armagh BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 028 3752 29 28 N. Ireland Fax: (+44) 028 3752 71 74 o/ \o_ \ / __ __o |o \__/o | o____ |__ __/ \__/o | / | / o\ / | > / \ /o\ o| << | \o__/ Ouch!!! No animals were harmed in the production and tranmission of this e-mail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22034 KS - what to hear olle.rundgren@s... Mon 4/17/2000 3 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 2:35 pm Subject: Moroder makes 'music people can pray or screw to.'?!? :) Mailing-List: list moroder@egroups.com; contact moroder-owner@egroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:00:16 EDT From: 'Star Duster' Reply-To: moroder@egroups.com Subject: [moroder] Moroder Article/Interview From 'Empire' Magazine 'Oooooooh, Love to Love You, Pontiff!' After Donna, Michael, Cher and Irene Cara, It's Obvious Which Diva Giorgio Moroder Should Work With Next Before Madonna and William Orbit, there were Donna Summer and Giorgio Moroder. Not only did the godfather of disco and electropop help elevate Summer to diva status with '70s hits such as 'I Feel Love' and 'Love to Love You Baby,' but he also pioneered synthesizer-based music itself, going on to produce for '80s film soundtracks some of the greatest synth hits of all time, including Flashdance's 'What a Feeling,' Cat People's 'Putting Out Fire' and Top Gun's 'Take My Breath Away.' Moroder also composed scores for Scarface, American Gigolo and Midnight Express, which earned him an Oscar. Two decades later, Moroder can be found living in Los Angeles with his wife and 10 year old son and back in the studio--with a legion of today's hottest mixmasters in tow, including Danny Tenaglia, Paul Oakenfold and Todd Terry. Why so much talent under one soundproofed roof? A project titled DJ Empire Presents a Tribute to Giorgio Moroder (Logic Records). Because the album is one of those rare tribute projects in which the honoree actually takes part, expect remixes and remakes of gems such as 'From Here To Eternity' and 'The Neverending Story' as well as new tracks such as the Gloria Gaynor-fronted 'Last Night' when it hits stores in April. A reworked version of 'The Chase,' from Midnight Express, is already firing up dance floors on several continents. -- Lawrence Ferber (Interviewer): Tell us about the new project, Giorgio. Giorgio Moroder: BMG has 70 or 80 remixes already. Is this good timing for a tribute? GM: Absolutely. The old analog synthesizer sounds I used more than 20 years ago are showing up in so many songs now, especially in Europe. As are you. What have you been up to in the '90s? GM: I lost a lot of time working on a musical movie with Michael Jackson. We started on the songs, and then that scandal with the kid happened, and suddenly the film industry was not interested in Michael doing a movie and spending 50, 60, 70 million dollars. The first time I ever heard 'Love to Love You Baby' was in a German gay porn movie. GM: It wasn't authorized! [Laughs.] I nearly sued a company that used three or four songs of mine in a porno--without asking permission, of course--but they cut them out. What was it like working with Donna Summer? GM: She's such an incredible singer: Two or three takes and the song was done--no doing eight takes and then picking the best line here, the best line there. We stopped working together after she left Casablanca [Records], but we did one song about four years ago, 'Carry On,' which won the best dance song Grammy last year. I see her whenever she comes to L.A. What other divas have you worked with? GM: I worked on the Metropolis soundtrack with Pat Benatar. And I did half of Janet Jackson's first album. She was a baby, probably 14 or 15. To be honest, I was too busy to give her the attention she needed. Control came out two or three years later, and I noticed an incredible improvement in the quality of her voice. Which divas would you like to work with now? GM: There aren't too many disco divas left. I worked with all three: Cher, Donna and Gloria Gaynor. Cher! GM: Cher was great. I remember being warned that if she says she'll be at the studio at 12, she may show up at six. I showed up at 12 anyway, thinking I'd have to wait, but she was punctual. I said, 'Wow, Cher, this is incredible, I was told you're always late.' And she said, 'It's only the first time on a project I'm punctual.' What the hell happened to Irene Cara? GM: I did 'What A Feeling' and an album with her, but then she sued the record company, and that took her off the market for a few years. I was asked to have Irene record a song for this tribute. We might do it. Any other projects? GM: We may do three or four songs for a project for the Vatican. And I'm doing a song for the Pope's birthday TV special--a number with children and famous singer I can't mention yet. So you make music people can pray or screw to. GM: Oh, this has nothing to do with religion. It's pop. They're not songs to be performed in church. It's a commercial venture. Would you work with the Pope if he wanted to become a dance diva? GM: [Laughs.] He's 80! I don't think he's going to dance, and a disco diva has to dance. I think he's happy if he can walk. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your bargains at AndysGarage.com! http://click.egroups.com/1/2579/7/_/477082/_/955652417/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Steven Feldman Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 2:40 pm Subject: Moroder Interview from 1978 (Tangerine Dream content!) Glory halleluya! There is TD content in this interview! The fun parts mostly concern discrediting Kraftwerk, though. ;) -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Subject: Moroder in the NME [New Musical Express], 12/9/78 To view entire interview on the web, go to http://listen.to/eurodisco It is in two parts: http://www.hocker100.freeserve.co.uk/mor/part01.htm and http://www.hocker100.freeserve.co.uk/mor/part02.htm The web version has many clickable links throughout the text, and is therefore preferable to this ASCII 73-character-line version ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GIORGIO MORODER: The 70s interview . . . The cover of New Musical Express, December 9th 1978, the UK journal in which this interview originally appeared. The caption says 'Der Munich Mensch Machine -- the record this man is mixing will probably outsell the Bee Gees'. 'Look, I tell you something very important. Too many of these writers in the music papers, they are misunderstanding everything. The disco sound, you must see, is not art or anything so serious. Disco is music for dancing, and I know that the people will always want to dance. Also, disco is becoming more and still more popular over the last year. The big American record companies are giving much money to it. This is very good. This makes me very happy, especially when I know that disco is soon to be the soul and R&B sound of today. 'And these ideas the writers are having about us using machines and becoming like machines -- they must be making a joke. I know for sure that we are and maybe, as I think you say in English, we are having the last, longest laugh.' Seasonally set and matched in brown woollens and tweeds, Giorgio Moroder grins like a Halloween mask, folds hands across chest and self into high-backed wicker chair, then tilts head, trim moustache and shoulders askance, as if to better observe the effect of his words. In fact, Moroder seems as much bemused as amused. As well he might. The producer of Donna Summer, Roberta Kelly, The Munich Machine and, most recently, Sparks, Moroder has unwittingly - or so it seems -- precipitated a veritable flash-flood of madcap-modernisms and pseudo- sociological static. Impossibly grandiose and improbably specious claims have been made on his behalf. He has, we're told, almost single-handedly dehumanised disco, formulated a sono-track for much more than just another auto- style age even introduced an entirely novel 'post-Euro-industrial' sensibility into modern dancing methods. Moroder is, the radical chic surfers of the disco wave inform us, as crucial to the developing of the new 'disko' aesthetic as are, say, Kraftwerk, Bowie, Eno, Amanda Lear, The Baader Meinhof and Devo. Remember 'I Feel Love' and recall Ms Summer's vocal sex-flexing and Moroder's accompanying electronic pulsebeat-heat. The song was, of course, suggesting that modern sex was machine sex, wasn't it? Well, no. At least, not as far as Moroder is aware. In retrospect, he finds the song 'sexy and funny at the same time', and is justifiably proud of it. He describes it as being intentionally 'futuristic', but nothing more. And as for the Made In Germany By Germans strait-suit that has been repeatedly pressed onto Moroder's output. It doesn't fit: Moroder is Italian. [. . .] As for 'I Feel Love', its genesis was similarly accidental. Donna Summer's 'I Remember Yesterday' was intended as a collage of various musical stages and styles. Inveterate and by now incisive copyists, Moroder and Bellotte had successfully subsumed '30s Dixieland, Phil Spector, early Tamla Motown, Philadelphia, proto-disco and now-disco into the set, whereupon Moroder postulated a next-disco sound. 'I had already had experience with the original Moog synthesisers, so I contacted this guy who owned one of the large early models. It was all quite natural and normal for me. I simply instructed him about what programmings I needed. I didn't even think to notice that for the large audience this was perhaps a very new sound. We did the whole thing in a day.' Moroder goes on to divulge that he recorded an all-electronic album of his own some years ago, working on the project for several months before failing to find an outlet for it. In this connection, I inquire of him his opinion of Kraftwerk whom some assert have been a de facto influence on Moroder's electronic work -- whereas the reverse is probably more the mark, since Kraftwerk's first direct-disco release, 'The Man Machine', postdates Moroder's own electronic-disco 'From Here To Eternity' by nearly a year. Although the horizons here are hazed. Kraftwerk certainly required something of an extra edge to compound the disco-cult success of 'Showroom Dummies' -- a success which, incidentally, seems to have caught them unawares -- and they may well have found what they needed in Moroder's methods. 'The Man Machine' may carry the emphatic 'Produced In West Germany' rider but the album was actually mixed by, among others, Leonard Jackson, the latter on loan from ex-Motown writer and producer Norman Whitfield's Whitfield Records. Whatever, Kraftwerk's 'Spacelab' (from 'The Man Machine') runs Moroder's sound so close a second it's hard to resist implying plagiarism on the part of the Dusseldorf Dynamen. But does any of this matter? Yes, merely because Kraftwerk have contentiously obfuscated their work with notions of 'artistic', 'political', 'historical' and 'sociological' intent and intrigue -- and they have been rapturously repaid by writers who really should know better by now for doing so. By comparison, Moroder's declared first base -- making pure electronic pop -- seems also charmingly, defensively banal. And yet not only has it had a far greater impact (Kraftwerk's lack of major chart success since 'Autobahn' has been signal), but it has also been haplessly absorbed into the critical caucus of 'New Europeanism'. All of which begs questions. Are we really the robo-men-machines of Kraftwerk's 'The Robots' (and, if so, then why aren't we purchasing their product?) or do we just want to dance? 'Kraftwerk', Moroder muses, 'I like their sounds very much because they are very clean, but I don't particularly like the songs. They are sometimes a little too easy in their music...' Easy as in facile? 'Maybe. Honestly, I prefer Tangerine Dream, that kind of thing. I used to know these guys very well, and loved their 'Phaedra' album very much. There were some similar groups in Munich -- Popul Vuh, for example -- some years ago. 'Personally I feel that Tangerine Dream became a little boring. You can only do so much and no more with all these sequencers. But Kraftwerk? Well, I think they thought that they must start selling more. I guess they are making a simple mistake. They still reckon that with an easy melody and a synthesiser they can have a hit. [See? See? A Tangerine Dream reference! Wowee!] 'Whilst in fact the audience is becoming more and more sophisticated. We ourselves started with simple songs, but something like 'MacArthur Park' is different, very complicated to make. We are always trying very hard to improve the overall quality of our work, while Kraftwerk are still holding on to the older ways of recording. If I were to record another synthesiser album right now, I wouldn't do it at all like 'I Feel Love'. That sound is out of date and use.' But, there is a marked similarity between the disco-dub effects Moroder employed on his mostly instrumental soundtrack for Alan Parker's 'Midnight Express' and those Kraftwerk deployed on the 'Metal On Metal' segment of the title track of their own 'Trans-Europe Express'? 'I really don't know about that. I am not too familiar with this record of theirs, only really with 'The Man Machine'. I cannot say. I just met one of the guys from Kraftwerk in New York once, but it is very difficult to talk with them. They obviously speak German and I speak German, but they have very definite ideas...' And what of Kraftwerk's implied conceptualisations (the Constructivist cover artwork to 'The Man Machine', etc)? 'This again is not something I can enjoy that much. I am not so complicated or intelligent a composer, nor am I very interested in becoming so. I am much more happy doing what I know I can do than what I am not sure I could do.' So you're not greatly taken with Kraftwerk's European emphasis? 'No, I must admit not. This matter of a European feeling is really quite complicated. I know that Pete and myself have combined a certain European feeling with Donna's more American experience, but this is only from Europe in the sense that we are both Continental-style writers, well trained in Continental pop music. 'To me, the only European leaning of the disco sound is that so much of the music is actually created here. There were, of course, discotheques in the States before they were here, but we have somehow taken a lead in making the music. Perhaps we just had the correct professional attitudes. 'Many producers began to make disco records after our success and that of Michael Kunze (Silver Convention). This is a great thing for the industry in Europe, for us to be able to make a way for others, but it could really be anywhere, you know, I don't think there are any special methods we have here that others could not have if they wanted. And this more artistic aspect, I have no involvement with it. [Silver Convention! A Sylvester Levay reference! We're burnin', now!] 'Our studios here at Musicland are just typical. Nearly all the equipment there is standard, English or American. It isn't even a particularly sophisticated studio. 'And this thing', Moroder thumps his desk to his theme, 'some writers have about German producers and players. As I have said, I am not German, Pete is not German. Boney M themselves are not German, although I accept that their producer Frank Farian is so. 'Donna is American, so is Roberta Kelly, so are Silver Convention. In actuality, if we had been based elsewhere other than Munich, we might have achieved our success even earlier -- because there in London, for example, you have more facilities and are nearer the pulse of the industry.' [. . .] All of which I put to Moroder, asking more specifically about the relevance of the credit listing on the 'Whiter Shade Of Pale' Munich Machine release (cf. 'shop floor, electronics foreman, mechanics foreman, shop steward, apprentice, time and motion study'). 'This, you know, this is just another joke. We know people think this about what we do, so we play up to them. It is the same with the dancing robots on the covers of both Munich Machine records. 'All this talk of machines and industry makes me laugh. Even if you use synthesisers and sequencers and drum machines, you have to set them up, to choose exactly what you are going to make them do. It is nonsense to say that we make all our music automatically. 'I know for myself how difficult or how easy it was to get a certain sound. Sometimes it's easy, sure, but as often as not it is at least ten times more difficult to get a good synthesiser sound than on an acoustic instrument. And of course we organise things -- who does not? We have to be professional about this. There is nothing wrong with this, surely?' [Okay, we're done. You can all go back to pissing and moaning about SOUNDMILL NAVIGATOR, now.] From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] KS - what to hear Armin, Nice, quick reviews of some albums...but I might like to add a bit more. > Dear Gustavo, > > I do not have all albums of KS (not yet), but pretty much. Here is what > I think of his albums, in chronological order > > 1) Irrlicht > > Anyway: if you like TD's 'pink' years, you may like Irrlicht, though it > sounds very different, but it is just as experimental. I, by the way, > love it (I know you think I'm weird...) Stay away for now...come back to this one AFTER you get everything else! It isn't awful, but as a newbie, I would recommend not even trying this until you get an appreciation of where KS went from here. > 3) Moondawn > > first track similar to Timewind, but bass sequence and more 'rocking'. > second track starts very meditating, but turns into a rock tune with drums. Essential...Grosskopf's drums are amazing...think of a human rhythm sequencer! This guy goes for days and never misses a beat. > 6) X > > Has it all from rocking tunes (great sequences and Harald Grosskopf on drums > as on Moondawn - this guy is great!) to spooky silent stuff, and of course > the absolute KS Classic 'Ludwig II von Bayern' which is a MUST HAVE The other 'essential' KS...don't walk, RUN, out to get this one...you will find nothing short of a musical masterpiece! This one is perfection on 2 CDs. > 7) Dune > > first track: Metallic synth plus Cello, the ultimate sountrack to a dune > movie yet to be made. I mean: think of that combination! There have been > live performances with KS on one side of the stage with his massive analoge > equipment - he'd sit in a lotos position on the floor (on a white furry > carpet, actually) surrounded by countless keyboards and his big PPG modular, > and on the other side of the stage - nothing but Wolfgang Tiepold on a chair > with his cello. The music is wonderfully mysterious, and majestic too. > second track: Arthur brown singing - its a bit like 30min long poetry reading > to an almost non-changing sequence. But its nice to get lost in it. It is okay...but not 'starter' material. Brown's vocals can become tiresome at times and interfer with the music, IMO. > 11) Audentity > > it is here where KS runs out of ideas a bit, I think. I've seen him live > two times during that period which was much better. He rocks and gets wild > on two Mini Moogs like others do with an electric guitar, but unfortunately > it doesn't show that intensively on the albums, except on... I like Audentity, and here we find the beginnings of lots of themes that will pop up in the future...this is wonderful headphone music. > 12) Dciekuje Poland > > ...which is live. > btw: I shot some pics on one of above mentioned gigs: go to > http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/ks/ks.html Great versions of some great tunes! > 15) Miditerranean Pads, Beyond Recall, EnTrance > > I'm inclinded to say the same for these as for Dreams I actually like 'Entrance' quite a bit...4 long songs, each different yet very cohesive. One of my favorites... > 16) Royal Concert Hall Vol I / Vol II / The Dome Event > > These three are very similar and to be regarded as a trilogy anyway - they > are mostly live (means: a studio track added on each, no tangentizing or > something like that). Schulze plays a lot with funny samples. Musicwise > it is very similar to his previous work but the sound is completely different. > I enjoy these a lot. May turn your living room into a cathedral. I don't remember which one of these it is but there is one sequence called 'pedal away' or something similar which is pretty killer. Also, 'essential #3' is 'In Blue'...while you are running to your CD shop to purchase 'X', stop by the cash machine and get enough money to buy this one also. Craig Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22037 Re: KS - what to hear Craig Chambers Mon 4/17/2000 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 3:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I wanted to pick the brain of tape experts on this list... I've noticed: the speed of the Quichotte 1980 encore is the correct speed on SOD, and about 10% too fast on RDE. the speed of the whole Dominion 1982 show is about 10% slower than the show as it played. the speed of the Berlin 1981 show 2CD is about 10% faster than the show as it played. Anyone have any insight as to how tapes get sped up or slowed down? And further insight as to why the English language is so odd, you say slow, or slowed down, but you say sped but not spedded? -Morgan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'teiwaz _' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 4:00 pm Subject: RE: what KS album(s) should I buy?/Mark Isham RE: what KS album(s) should I buy? I'd recommend Michael Shrieve's album with KS--Transfer Station Blue. It's not like most of the early KS work which seems to be generate a tone and let a slow phaser do its work. I really like Mark Isham's FILM Music CD--the one with the Mrs. Soffel sountrack. I got to see him play several years back as part of David Sylvian's band--along with David Torn, Richard Barbieri and Steve Jansen. Great show. Of course so was the Fripp/Sylvian tour with Michael Brook et al. --teiwaz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Soundmill Navigator length Feldon Feldon wrote: > > Rubycon and all of those albums had to fit in 42 minutes as those were the > limitations of a vinyl album. Not exactly. For example the 1973 vinyl album 'Tubular Bells' by Mike Oldfield is 48:50 long with a 25 minutes track on side A, so you could put at least 50 minutes of music on a vinyl album. Ironically, the most recent Mike Oldfield albums (on CD) are shorter! > And yes, the content is more important. I think we all agree about this. Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21975 Re: Why the flawed English, TD? Andrew Rozsa Sat 4/15/2000 3 KB 21979 Re: Why the flawed English, TD? Gabe Yedid Sat 4/15/2000 3 KB 21997 Re: flawed English, TD? Michael A Jean Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22007 Mom 'n Pop's (read: Edgar's) Flawed English Steven Feldman Sun 4/16/2000 3 KB From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 6:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Soundmill Navigator length Hi Antonia, I totally agree with you on this point. The quality of the music is much more important than the length of the recording, further examples of this include 'Tangram' & 'Force Majeure' as well as Mike Oldfields 'Ommadawn' Derek ----- Original Message ----- From: Antonio Nunes To: Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Soundmill Navigator length > > > Feldon Feldon wrote: > > > > Rubycon and all of those albums had to fit in 42 minutes as those were the > > limitations of a vinyl album. > > Not exactly. For example the 1973 vinyl album 'Tubular Bells' by Mike > Oldfield is 48:50 long with a 25 minutes track on side A, so you could > put at least 50 minutes of music on a vinyl album. Ironically, the most > recent Mike Oldfield albums (on CD) are shorter! > > > > And yes, the content is more important. > > I think we all agree about this. > > Antonio Nunes > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ain't Nothin But An 'R' Thang! Intelligent fans of Rap/HipHop wanted. > New Music Site needs Raters for Rap songs now. Some compensation to > start. JABOOM.COM > http://click.egroups.com/1/3345/3/_/24785/_/955735431/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepard's Bush single question >Are the versions of 'Eleanor Rigby' and 'Theif Yang and the Tangram Seal' >the same on Shepard's Bush and Dream Encores? Yes, they are. Still, Sheperd's Bush is a nice collector's item and a good momento. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21945 Re: Shepard's Bush single question Owens, James E Fri 4/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 7:15 pm Subject: RE: tape speeds Tape players do not have consistent playing speed. This is due to varying voltages from drained batteries, failing DC control motors (which controll the speed of a tape player/recorder) and other electrical and mechanical variations in the players. Specific example: If a concert taper's batteries are running low, the tape will be moving slower as it records. When played back at normal the speed, the music will be faster than what was played. Alternately if the control motor is failing, the tape might move faster during recording, so it would sound slow when played back. I used to have an old double cassette deck that would mix line-input with what was playing on the playback side during dubbing. You could use it to voice-over instrumental tracks and so forth. However, the manufacturer forgot to make this feature unavailable during high-speed dubbing, so you could play a CD or another tape player into the 'line-in' while the record deck was recording at high speed. The result at playback was a 50% slower copy of the source. I made a halloween 'mood music' tape by recording excerpts from 'Heaven and Hell' by Vangelis, some stuff from 'Doctor Who: the Music', 'Tears in a Prophet's Dream' by Celtic Frost (never heard any of their vocal tracks; I've been told that it's pretty much demon worship lyrics. Anyway you can imagine how eerie that track was.) Overall it made for a great effect. The 'castanets' sounded more like chains rattling! James > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [SMTP:feldon23@h...] > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:21 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] > > I wanted to pick the brain of tape experts on this list... I've noticed: > > the speed of the Quichotte 1980 encore is the correct speed on SOD, and > about 10% too fast on RDE. > > the speed of the whole Dominion 1982 show is about 10% slower than the > show > as it played. > > the speed of the Berlin 1981 show 2CD is about 10% faster than the show as > > it played. > > Anyone have any insight as to how tapes get sped up or slowed down? And > further insight as to why the English language is so odd, you say slow, or > > slowed down, but you say sped but not spedded? > > -Morgan > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ain't Nothin But An 'R' Thang! Intelligent fans of Rap/HipHop wanted. > New Music Site needs Raters for Rap songs now. Some compensation to > start. JABOOM.COM > http://click.egroups.com/1/3345/3/_/24785/_/955725651/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 7:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator once again Alright guys, would you please cut out the whining? Each and every post on SN is about the pssst pssst sound, (which others claim not to be on the CD...strange: see the TD Guestbook). I don't remember anyone giving a review of the MUSIC on SN. Most of the loads of postings is about O'Hearn, Duran Duran, and pssst psst, ssssfft sssfffft shhhhhhhh shhhhhhh.... If it stays this way, I will have to adhere a finger to the delete button. Could we discuss more sensible things, please? Such as TD gigs, or other TD experiences? Or someone who appreciates the MUSIC on SN may give us his/her feelings and impressions (and I don't mean what equipment, synths are used...) Pal. >>>>>>>> .I've got Soundmill Navigator today and I don't know, if I ever can put up with this bloody ssssssssfffft,sssssssffft-sound.Without reading your comments about it, I'd have thought this sound is just a synth-generated rhythmical element as often used in the studio by Klaus Schulze. But with the SN -recording-time passing by I'd have started to think that this 'rhythmical element' kind of gotten out of control during the so called 'improvised 1976 concert performance' .As you said it's not even this very concert that we have here. It's a shame really, that TDI is claiming in the booklet to sell something which is not what we can hear and they even dare to release such a technically poor recording on which we are supposed to listen more to a damaged old tape's sounds than to any concert performance. I will stop here, otherwise I may go to far here in my disappointment. What was on Edgars mind while doing it? I still can't believe that the dudes on 'electronic music' could be particularly right with what they saying! Zbig >>>>>>>>>>> From: David Hughes Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 7:22 pm Subject: Been listening too... Hello, Back after a long time away... Been listening to... TD : 'Great Wall of China' Bush : 'The Science of Things' Loads of MTV... < no taste > Regards David Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 7:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Shepard's Bush single question Probably so, but if I had to pay $12-$15 dollars, I'd rather get music I don't have. Thanks for the info Pal. James > -----Original Message----- > Still, Sheperd's Bush is a nice collector's item and a good momento. > > From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 8:35 pm Subject: SN tape flaw timing We've talked a lot about this SN noise, but I don't remember anyone asking this question: Is the noise in time with the music? It would be quite mathematically improbable for the tape flaw to be in time with the music. joe > -----Original Message----- > From: izyrp@o... [mailto:izyrp@o...] ... > I've got Soundmill Navigator today and I don't know, if I ever can put > up with this bloody ssssssssfffft,sssssssffft-sound.Without ... > on which we are supposed to listen more to a damaged old tape's sounds ... From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 8:34 pm Subject: O'Hearn-A Member of TD? Greetings All! With the discussion of O'Hearn lately I pulled out some of his cds and listened to them again and began thinking,This guy would be a great third member of TD.Although I like his music very much I feel like something is missing.I also feel the same way about TD lately. So maybe they could get together and gel it all together.I think they would blend together quite well.As some of you have said TD needs a third member. So what do you all think? Rick-NP-Trust by O'Hearn From: Joel Mullen Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 8:35 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] SN tape flaw timing On Friday, April 14, 2000 3:35 PM, Joe Shoults [SMTP:joes@c...] wrote: > We've talked a lot about this SN noise, but I don't remember anyone asking > this question: > > Is the noise in time with the music? > > It would be quite mathematically improbable for the tape flaw to be in time > with the music. > > joe Joe- I don't have it yet, but it seems like it might be a limited mastering flaw. Some people hear it and some don't. And one person pointed out that the sound begins 3 minutes BEFORE the old material starts. So if you agree with *that* there is no way it could be due to the master tape degrading. It would have to be something added, by mistake or not. I hate to say it, but they really don't seem all that careful these days what with typos and don't forget re-releasing the flawed DD bonus track on Tang-Go. I would like to know just what the deal is myself. Joel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21949 Re: SN tape flaw timing Rhen, Kris Fri 4/14/2000 2 KB 21950 Re: SN tape flaw timing Gabe Yedid Fri 4/14/2000 2 KB 21951 Re: SN tape flaw timing Gabe Yedid Fri 4/14/2000 2 KB 21967 Re: SN tape flaw timing Rhen, Kris Sat 4/15/2000 2 KB From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 8:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] SN tape flaw timing > > We've talked a lot about this SN noise, but I don't > remember anyone asking > > this question: > > > > Is the noise in time with the music? > > > > It would be quite mathematically improbable for the tape > flaw to be in time > > with the music. Sorry I thought I answered that. No it isn't, and there are TWO frequencies of pops (neither in time). KRIS Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21950 Re: SN tape flaw timing Gabe Yedid Fri 4/14/2000 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 9:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] SN tape flaw timing On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Rhen, Kris wrote: > > > It would be quite mathematically improbable for the tape > > flaw to be in time > > > with the music. > > Sorry I thought I answered that. No it isn't, and there are TWO frequencies > of pops (neither in time). > KRIS The burning question: ***can it be fixed???*** (without seriously compromising the sound quality of the rest of the music) Gabe From: Gabe Yedid Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 9:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] SN tape flaw timing On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Joel Mullen wrote: > be something added, by mistake or not. I hate to say it, but they really don't > seem all that careful these days what with typos and don't forget re-releasing the > flawed DD bonus track on Tang-Go. I would like to know just what the deal is > myself. > > Joel I think this is an entirely legitimate point of discussion, and I'm really surprised that more people aren't more concerned about it. Gabe From: 'Johan Edberg' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 9:48 pm Subject: RE: Yanni (with TD content) Yanni..... Hmmm, yes I like his music and I used to listen to him a lot even though it more and more often sometimes felt a bit too much like softspread muzak. And then there came compilation album after compilation album... and I lost track somewhere in 1992-93. Any odd way I managed to get, wait, have to count..... 10 (!) albums between 1986 and 1994. All a bit dusty in the shelf between Rick Wright (of Pink Floyd) and Yes. What have he been up to lately? I've always considered the track 'Forbidden Dream' of the 1986 almost debut, Private Music (P. Baumann), album 'Keys To Imagination' as a tribute to Tangerine Dream! It could IMO easily be fitted in on Le Parc (1985) or even on Underwater Sunlight (1986). It's a bit short (about 4 min) but that was what we where learning to expect from TD with Le Parc. Try it! You'll love it! ...well maybe. 'Forbidden Dream - Yes, I could also sound this way but I'm not allowed since this is the way TD sounds' / Yanni, 1986. ______ Patrick O'Hearn. Well here is another of my used-to-be-favourites. I have his records from 1986 - 91 but nothing newer. Can anyone guide me to a good and comprehensive discography? Back to lurking ;-) // Johan, almost in the middle of the night, Stockholm, Sweden np: Yanni / Keys To Imagination (I'd say very typical 1986 sound) ___________________________ 'Music is the best' - F.Z. From: