From: 'Craig Chambers' soundtracks: Zoning, Deadly Care >And the remake of Tyger and most of the compilations. 'Remake' or 'Re-issue'? If it is a remake, should I plop down the $15 for the new one? I have the original Caroline releases on vinyl and CD. I am one of the few (I think) who actually think this is a classic (at least the instrumental parts). I think the build-up to the 'climax' of Edgar's guitar in London is one of the most intense moments these guys have ever recorded. If this was 'remade' I certainly want to hear it... Craig C. (not Cordroy, the other one ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18756 Re: album owners' numbers Owens James Mon 11/1/1999 2 KB 18757 Re: album owners' numbers Craig Chambers Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB 18767 Re: album owners' numbers Jared White Mon 11/1/1999 2 KB 18768 Re: album owners' numbers Michael W. Daniels Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB 18774 Re: album owners' numbers Owens James Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > >From: Owens James > > I found 2 places on the net, one selling > >for $56, the other $62. > > But have you asked if they got it. > > Kees > From: 'Thomas' From: Gustavo Jobim > >Sorry to disturb you with this cross-posted msg, but this is a bit important. > >Can you recommend me a good software which can remove the hiss from LPs and >cassetes? It would be even better if it was a freeware. > >thanks >gfj. > >gfj. > >Gustavo Ferreira Jobim >gustavfj@m... >gustavfj@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18755 SV: OT: Hiss removal software Thomas Mon 11/1/1999 2 KB 18762 Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software Gustavo Jobim Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB 18764 Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software PNaunton@a... Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB 18772 Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software Craig Chambers Mon 11/1/1999 2 KB 18773 Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software Gustavo Jobim Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB 18785 Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Tue 11/2/1999 1 KB 18786 Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software PNaunton@xxx.xxx Tue 11/2/1999 1 KB 18788 Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software PNaunton@xxx.xxx Tue 11/2/1999 1 KB 18789 Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Tue 11/2/1999 1 KB From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 3:55 pm Subject: Re: OT: Hiss removal software >Anyway, that's just me defending the wonderful vinyl. It can still today outperform CD by a wide margin, if played back on the right equipment. Yeah, there is absolutely nothing like having to get up every 15 minutes (in TD's case) and flip the vinyl over to hear the continuation of the music...(just kidding, Thomas) >These are of course matters of taste, and I'm not saying that my opinion is the law, but I am yet to hear the CD player that can outperform my vinyl player. I think the demise of the LP was primarily driven by 2 things: 1) Convenience 2) Durability I have no qualms that a 'pristine' analog source on the right equipment has a much more superior sound. I think Gustavo's situation is that he is 16 (right?), does not have a lot of money, lives in Brazil (where it is about as difficult to find decent music, as in Atlanta), and unfortunately, in his passionately fervent attempt to collect the music of 'his' newly discovered TD, he has to resort to picking up second (or third, or fourth)-hand copies on vinyl. He probably does not have access to a $1000 turntable... Hence, he was looking for an easy, affordable way of transferring his vinyl to a digital medium, which will allow him to 'clean-up' some of the inherent problems with 'used' vinyl. Gustavo, check out 'Cool Edit 96', which is available from www.downloads.com as a limited shareware version. Full upgrade is available for something like $29 US. This will do quite a bit by way of cleaning up vinyl source, however, keep in mind, anytime you run a source through a 'filter' of any kind, you will lose something. De-hissers and De-clickers usually affect the high end and give you the sound as if you are listening through a 'tin can'...so, use with caution. Sometimes a little hiss is better than some funky harmonics hitting your ears. From: 'Thomas' Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 5:11 pm Subject: SV: OT: Hiss removal software >From: 'Craig Chambers' > >I have no qualms that a 'pristine' analog source on the right equipment has >a much more superior sound. I think Gustavo's situation is that he is 16 >(right?), does not have a lot of money, lives in Brazil (where it is about >as difficult to find decent music, as in Atlanta), and unfortunately, in his >passionately fervent attempt to collect the music of 'his' newly discovered >TD, he has to resort to picking up second (or third, or fourth)-hand copies >on vinyl. He probably does not have access to a $1000 turntable... Craig, you're right of course. Sometimes I don't think as far as I'd like to... Thanks for pointing it out. Gustavo, sorry if I got a little bit carried away. I usually become pretty emotional when it comes to my dear vinyl. Could you contact me offlist please? I'll be at pinnacles@u... Cheers Thomas Sweden Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18762 Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software Gustavo Jobim Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB 18764 Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software PNaunton@a... Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB 18772 Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software Craig Chambers Mon 11/1/1999 2 KB 18773 Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software Gustavo Jobim Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB 18785 Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Tue 11/2/1999 1 KB 18786 Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software PNaunton@xxx.xxx Tue 11/2/1999 1 KB 18788 Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software PNaunton@xxx.xxx Tue 11/2/1999 1 KB 18789 Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Tue 11/2/1999 1 KB 18799 Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software PNaunton@xxx.xxx Tue 11/2/1999 1 KB From: Owens James Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 4:18 pm Subject: RE: Re: album owners' numbers Their is indeed a remake of Tyger. It includes a re-mix of the Tyger track and a new track. As far as I know the other tracks are the same. Here's the info from Dave Datta's short TD discography: 1992 Tyger 5.09 Tyger [1] 14.21 London 12.01 Alchemy Of The Heart 5.54 Smile 4.48 21st Century Common Man Part I 3.57 21st Century Common Man Part II 4.56 Vigour [2] [1] This is a complete re-working of the song. [2] New song for 1992 release, by Jerome Froese. CD Relativity (1992) 88561-1055-2 If TDI ever re-issues Tyger, it will probably be this version. I am anxious to hear this version myself, since 'Tyger' is the only track on the album that I get tired of hearing. London is decent and the instumental part is awesome! Alchemy of the Heart and 21st Century Common Man are great. Smile is the best track on the disc though. Superb mix of vocals and music, nice ethereal atmosphere almost worthy of Rubycon. As I said, I've never heard the re-mix edition, so I'm quite anxious to do so. James > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Craig Chambers' > > >And the remake of Tyger and most of the compilations. > > 'Remake' or 'Re-issue'? If it is a remake, should I plop down the $15 for > the new one? I have the original Caroline releases on vinyl and CD. I am > one of the few (I think) who actually think this is a classic (at least > the > instrumental parts). I think the build-up to the 'climax' of Edgar's > guitar > in London is one of the most intense moments these guys have ever > recorded. > If this was 'remade' I certainly want to hear it... > From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 4:39 pm Subject: Re: Re: album owners' numbers Okay, so the song 'Tyger', not the complete album is remade...this makes a bit more sense. So now I REALLY have to decide whether or not to spend the cash, if you were to say the complete album was redone... Craig >From: Owens James > >Their is indeed a remake of Tyger. It includes a re-mix of the Tyger track >and a new track. As far as I know the other tracks are the same. Here's >the info from Dave Datta's short TD discography: BTW, I too like 'Smile'... From: 'twosheds' Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 6:12 pm Subject: Re: Two TD lists? Does this mean that the UWP list is dead? :-( Scott NP: Phish, Mansfield, MA 7/8/94 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18759 Re: Two TD lists? Owens James Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB From: Owens James Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 6:26 pm Subject: RE: Re: Two TD lists? yes > -----Original Message----- > From: twosheds [SMTP:twosheds@g...] > Does this mean that the UWP list is dead? :-( > From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 6:22 pm Subject: Time to say goodbye... Friends, nothing in this world is forever, especially not on the internet. IBM has sold off it's internet business, so my good old Email address of klaus@i... soon will be no more. Time to update your address books, you can now reach me as klaus@c... that is, caby like 'kay be' or 'kb', my initials, 'de' for Germany. I hope to keep this domain for a long time. For the TD fans among you, below is my new homepage address. My leg's in a cast after a sports injury, but I'm getting better. Maybe four more weeks... all the best klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-171-7338969 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 .....................................http://www.caby.de/music/ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 7:40 pm Subject: Re: OT: Hiss removal software >>I think Gustavo's situation is that he is 16 (right?), Actually, I went 17 last 29th. >>does not have a lot of money, Very true. >> lives in Brazil (where it is about as difficult to find decent music, as in Atlanta), at least our beloved classic electronic/progressive-instrumental-rock-à-la-Oldfield music - KS, KW, JMJ, TD, JS, MO. the standard stores simply doesn't have that, or have some very sparse - oxygene 7-13 for example is common, as well as mo's tb3 and XXV some other new releases, and 4 of kw's albums which were rereleased last year because they went here for the free jazz festival. >> and unfortunately, in his >passionately fervent attempt to collect the music of 'his' newly discovered >TD, Actually, I want to pass Wuivend Riet to CD... >> he has to resort to picking up second (or third, or fourth)-hand copies >on vinyl. He probably does not have access to a $1000 turntable... Surely I don't. >Hence, he was looking for an easy, affordable way of transferring his vinyl >to a digital medium, which will allow him to 'clean-up' some of the inherent >problems with 'used' vinyl. Gustavo, check out 'Cool Edit 96', which is >available from www.downloads.com as a limited shareware version. Full >upgrade is available for something like $29 US. This will do quite a bit by >way of cleaning up vinyl source, however, keep in mind, anytime you run a >source through a 'filter' of any kind, you will lose something. De-hissers >and De-clickers usually affect the high end and give you the sound as if you >are listening through a 'tin can'...so, use with caution. Sometimes a >little hiss is better than some funky harmonics hitting your ears. (C.Chambers) I'm aware of this danger. Thanks you all for the help. Well, maybe I don't use a de-hisser for wuivend riet; it's not as complex as some TD albums. Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 7:45 pm Subject: Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software Hey, no problems at all. I also like the vinyl sound better than the CD (of course, if the vinyl is in good conditions). My Jarre Live, for example, is in near mint conditions; It's like a brand new cd. >Gustavo, > >sorry if I got a little bit carried away. I usually become pretty emotional when it comes to my dear vinyl. Could you contact me offlist please? > >I'll be at pinnacles@u... > >Cheers > >Thomas >Sweden Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 8:12 pm Subject: ...oops, typo in the homepage address Just a little typo, please use the homepage address below (if you want to...) cheers klaus (now klaus@c...) -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-171-7338969 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18881 Re: ...oops, typo in the homepage address Joe Shoults Thu 11/4/1999 2 KB From: PNaunton@a... Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 8:33 pm Subject: Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software In a message dated 01-11-1999 10:29:17 AM EST, t.h.o.m.a.s@t... writes: << These are of course matters of taste, and I'm not saying that my opinion is the law, but I am yet to hear the CD player that can outperform my vinyl player. Cheers, Thomas Sweden >> Oh, I don't know about that. I have a $9,000.00 Mark Levinson CD Player which definitely sounds better than any $150.00 turntable with a $35.00 Shure M91ED cartridge on it. Of course you DO really have to have excellent speakers to hear that difference. Not to mention the investment in quality cables and power conditioners. Anything with 'Digi-' in it HAS to be cutting edge. (c; Phil N. From: PNaunton@a... Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 8:39 pm Subject: Re: OT: Hiss removal software In a message dated 01-11-1999 10:48:48 AM EST, craigchambers@c... writes: << I think the demise of the LP was primarily driven by 2 things: 1) Convenience 2) Durability >> I think it was actually ten things: 1) Convenience 2) Convenience 3) Convenience 4) Convenience 5) Convenience 6) Convenience 7) Convenience 8) Convenience 9) Convenience 10) Convenience Oh, and don't forget -- 11) Convenience Why should you have to exert any energy to enjoy the things you love? Phil N. From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 5:47 pm Subject: Fw: E-News 167 (Nov 1 1999) Haha... I bet Jerome is grimacing at this news (#6) ... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'GROOVE Unlimited' > - - - - - - - - - - b e s t s a l e s t o p 1 0 ( w e e k 43 ) - - > - - - - - - - - > > 1: Stearns, Michael - Ancient Leaves (CD) > 2: Roedelius & Alquimia - Move & Resonate (CD) > 3: Tangerine Dream - Mars Polaris (CD) > 4: Free System Projekt - Pointless reminder (CD) > 5: Stearns, Michael - Floating Whispers (CD) > 6: Tangerine Dream - Zeit (CD) > 7: Dweller at the Threshold - Generation-Transmission-Illumination > 8: G.E.N.E. - Emotions (CD) > 9: Waveshape - Live 96/97 (CD) > 10: Froese, Edgar - Pinnacles (CD) - jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - 'The dream is always the same...' -- Joel, Risky Business jimbo@v... -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18771 Re: Fw: E-News 167 (Nov 1 1999) Owens James Mon 11/1/1999 2 KB 18931 Re: Fw: E-News 167 (Nov 1 1999) Marcel Engels Sat 11/6/1999 1 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 8:59 pm Subject: RE: Re: album owners' numbers > From: Owens James > > Their is indeed a remake of Tyger. It includes a re-mix of > the Tyger track > and a new track. As far as I know the other tracks are the > same. Here's > the info from Dave Datta's short TD discography: > > 1992 Tyger > > 5.09 Tyger [1] > 14.21 London > 12.01 Alchemy Of The Heart > 5.54 Smile > 4.48 21st Century Common Man Part I > 3.57 21st Century Common Man Part II > 4.56 Vigour [2] > > [1] This is a complete re-working of the song. > [2] New song for 1992 release, by Jerome Froese. > > CD Relativity (1992) 88561-1055-2 Ah! So that's where 'Vigour' on 'The Best of Tangerine Dream: 'The Blue Years'' comes from! I was wondering what that was all about. I thought maybe it was an in-house pre-'Melrose' track that Edgar and Jerome worked on before Jerome officially entered the band, but nope. Thanks for inadvertently giving me this bit of information! Take care, Jared __________________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@g... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com iReview: http://www.gaeldesign.com/ireview The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: 'Michael W. Daniels' Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 9:20 pm Subject: RE: Re: album owners' numbers At 12:59 PM 11/1/99 -0800, you wrote: > > 5.09 Tyger [1] > > 4.56 Vigour [2] > > > > [1] This is a complete re-working of the song. > > [2] New song for 1992 release, by Jerome Froese. Anybody know which version of Tyger is on the Sequel 1996 version? That's what I have, and there's no Vigour on the CD... Similarly, what's the version on the Dream Roots Collection? -- Michael W. Daniels | '...I'm a doctor of history.' daniels@l... | 'You mean you study it.' Dept. of Linguistics | 'I mean I make it better.' | -- Continuity Errors From: 'Thomas' Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 10:47 pm Subject: SV: SV: OT: Hiss removal software >From: PNaunton@a... > >In a message dated 01-11-1999 10:29:17 AM EST, t.h.o.m.a.s@t... writes: > ><< These are of course matters of taste, and I'm not saying that my opinion >is the law, but I am yet to hear the CD player that can outperform my vinyl >player. > > Cheers, > > Thomas > Sweden > >> > Oh, I don't know about that. I have a $9,000.00 Mark Levinson CD >Player which definitely sounds better than any $150.00 turntable with a >$35.00 Shure M91ED cartridge on it. Of course you DO really have to have >excellent speakers to hear that difference. Not to mention the investment in >quality cables and power conditioners. > Anything with 'Digi-' in it HAS to be cutting edge. (c; > >Phil N. Phil, I'm glad you like your CD! Really glad, but at $9000:- it HAS to be cutting edge... I've never compared my turntable to anything that expensive, the best one I have tried it against was a Forsell Air Reference. It was a close call, but my turntable had slightly better detail resolution, and high end was a bit smoother (but the last criteria is of course a matter of taste). The two units were compared over a pair of Infinity Gamma (or something like that), and Classé amplification. All interconnects were Nordost Flatline. Try your CD against say an SME Model 20 / SME V Gold / Clearaudio Gamma S combination and maybe a Clearaudio phono stage which would probably end up at about the same money. That would be a fair match. Since my turntable only cost me about $2000:- I bet your CD would outperform it. I wish I could afford one! Have a great day! Thomas Sweden From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 10:02 pm Subject: LP versus CD was a long time ago Re: SV: SV: OT: Hiss removal software Well, I'm very satisfied with my only CD player, which actually is the cd-rom drive in my computer. I bought it for about 160 reais (would be around 80 dollars today), but it now would cost around 40 dollars. My turntable is very good, although it has no pre-amp. it cost 55 reais (around 27.50 dollars). And my only cassete player is my Aiwa walkman. TX-386. :) >From: 'Thomas' > >>From: PNaunton@a... >> >>In a message dated 01-11-1999 10:29:17 AM EST, t.h.o.m.a.s@t... writes: >> >><< These are of course matters of taste, and I'm not saying that my opinion >>is the law, but I am yet to hear the CD player that can outperform my vinyl >>player. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Thomas >> Sweden >> >> >> Oh, I don't know about that. I have a $9,000.00 Mark Levinson CD >>Player which definitely sounds better than any $150.00 turntable with a >>$35.00 Shure M91ED cartridge on it. Of course you DO really have to have >>excellent speakers to hear that difference. Not to mention the investment in >>quality cables and power conditioners. >> Anything with 'Digi-' in it HAS to be cutting edge. (c; >> >>Phil N. > > >Phil, > >I'm glad you like your CD! Really glad, but at $9000:- it HAS to be cutting edge... >I've never compared my turntable to anything that expensive, the best one I have tried it against was a Forsell Air Reference. It was a close call, but my turntable had slightly better detail resolution, and high end was a bit smoother (but the last criteria is of course a matter of taste). The two units were compared over a pair of Infinity Gamma (or something like that), and Classé amplification. All interconnects were Nordost Flatline. >Try your CD against say an SME Model 20 / SME V Gold / Clearaudio Gamma S combination and maybe a Clearaudio phono stage which would probably end up at about the same money. That would be a fair match. >Since my turntable only cost me about $2000:- I bet your CD would outperform it. I wish I could afford one! > >Have a great day! > >Thomas >Sweden Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18775 Re: LP versus CD was a long time ago Re: SV: SV: Craig Chambers Mon 11/1/1999 1 KB 18778 Re: LP versus CD was a long time ago Re: SV: SV: Gustavo Jobim Mon 11/1/1999 2 KB From: Owens James Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 10:13 pm Subject: RE: Fw: E-News 167 (Nov 1 1999) WOW. Marcel came in just behind Mars Polaris. Congratulations! I'm amazed that discs as old as Zeit and Pinnacles still make it to the top 10 occasionally. James > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Jim Moore' > > Haha... I bet Jerome is grimacing at this news (#6) ... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'GROOVE Unlimited' > > - - - - - - - - - - b e s t s a l e s t o p 1 0 ( w e e k > 43 ) - - > > - - - - - - - - > > > > 1: Stearns, Michael - Ancient Leaves (CD) > > 2: Roedelius & Alquimia - Move & Resonate (CD) > > 3: Tangerine Dream - Mars Polaris (CD) > > 4: Free System Projekt - Pointless reminder (CD) > > 5: Stearns, Michael - Floating Whispers (CD) > > 6: Tangerine Dream - Zeit (CD) > > 7: Dweller at the Threshold - Generation-Transmission-Illumination > > 8: G.E.N.E. - Emotions (CD) > > 9: Waveshape - Live 96/97 (CD) > > 10: Froese, Edgar - Pinnacles (CD) > > - jim > From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Mon Nov 1, 1999 10:07 pm Subject: Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software No offense guys, but this argument is akin to saying 'My $10,000 Rolex keeps better time than your $8,000 Sothis' I guess I have to stick to my $200 Seiko, for the time being.... Phil said: >> Oh, I don't know about that. I have a $9,000.00 Mark Levinson CD >>Player which definitely sounds better than any $150.00 turntable with a >>$35.00 Shure M91ED cartridge on it. Of course you DO really have to have >>excellent speakers to hear that difference. Not to mention the investment in >>quality cables and power conditioners. >> Anything with 'Digi-' in it HAS to be cutting edge. (c; Thomas said: >I'm glad you like your CD! Really glad, but at $9000:- it HAS to be cutting edge... >I've never compared my turntable to anything that expensive, the best one I have tried it against was a Forsell Air Reference. It was a close call, but my turntable had slightly better detail resolution, and high end was a bit smoother (but the last criteria is of course a matter of taste). The two units were compared over a pair of Infinity Gamma (or something like that), and Classé amplification. All interconnects were Nordost Flatline. >Try your CD against say an SME Model 20 / SME V Gold / Clearaudio Gamma S combination and maybe a Clearaudio phono stage which would probably end up at about the same money. That would be a fair match. >Since my turntable only cost me about $2000:- I bet your CD would outperform it. I wish I could afford one! From: Gustavo Jobim No offense guys, but this argument is akin to saying 'My $10,000 Rolex keeps >better time than your $8,000 Sothis' > >I guess I have to stick to my $200 Seiko, for the time being.... Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... From: Owens James -----Original Message----- > > Anybody know which version of Tyger is on the Sequel 1996 version? That's > > what I have, and there's no Vigour on the CD... > > Similarly, what's the version on the Dream Roots Collection? > From: 'Craig Chambers' From: Gustavo Jobim > >Well, I'm very satisfied with my only CD player, which actually is the >cd-rom drive in my computer. I bought it for about 160 reais (would be >around 80 dollars today), but it now would cost around 40 dollars. My >turntable is very good, although it has no pre-amp. it cost 55 reais >(around 27.50 dollars). >And my only cassete player is my Aiwa walkman. TX-386. > Just gotta love this guy! From: Owens James From: 'James Horecka, AIA' From: Gustavo Jobim >From: Gustavo Jobim >> >>Well, I'm very satisfied with my only CD player, which actually is the >>cd-rom drive in my computer. I bought it for about 160 reais (would be >>around 80 dollars today), but it now would cost around 40 dollars. My >>turntable is very good, although it has no pre-amp. it cost 55 reais >>(around 27.50 dollars). >>And my only cassete player is my Aiwa walkman. TX-386. >> >Just gotta love this guy! Gustavo Ferreira Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavfj@n... From: Gustavo Jobim From: 'Lawry Simm' Lawry, how could you forget this one? Does Song_Of_The_Whale_Pt1.mid say > anything to you? ;-) > Antonio Heh heh... you know, one day I might get around to finishing the other half dozen I have started... and I feel the urge to tart up the old ones I did... when I listen to them, I can hear many opportunities for improvement... if only I didn't have to go to work all day! :-) Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: James Joystick From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 11:19 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: LP versus CD was a long time ago > From: James Joystick > > I couldn't resist to drop my cent in this discussion... > > I edited a now defunct electronics publication and wrote technical audio > articles back in 1992. Personally, I was a sound zealot in search of > building the biggest sound system I could. Nowadays, it's sufficient to > have at hand a fine Panasonic portable CD player to carry around, Sony > (ironically titled 'Digital Reference') headphones, and Koss monitors > attached to my Mac. None of them really expensive (OK, the headphanes are > expensive and sound incredibly good). > > OK Guys the definative answer is it does not matter if you are listening to cd or vinyl and it doesn't matter if your player cost $20.000 or $ 20.00 the point is if your speakers are crap it wont make any difference to the sound. Forget the hardware buy good quality speakers. Hey you would not buy a Jaguar xk220 and then put off road tyres on it would you!! THIS AINT ROCK AND ROLL THIS IS GENOCIDE . ' Orch ' From: 'Alan Benson' Subject: Re: SV: OT: Hiss removal software Craig wrote: > No offense guys, but this argument is akin to saying > 'My $10,000 Rolex keeps better time than your $8,000 > Sothis' > > I guess I have to stick to my $200 Seiko, for the time being.... ________________________________________________ Personally speaking, I have but just two just rules: *********************************************************** Al's TD Rule Number One: To collect and listen to all items ever produced and composed (published or unpublished) by: 'Tangerine Dream.' Al's TD Rule Number Two: To spend whatever I can possibly afford on electronic stereo gear whenever I can. *********************************************************** I freely admit that I'm at the lower end of the spectrum of the high of high-end. But, all the same I'm very proud of my system and I will continue to upgrade it with separate components on every level in every possible detail for the rest of my life. This is my stereo system as of November 1, 1999 (the short description list): ________________________________________________________ Addendum C (stereo system configuration): Al's stereo configuration reference system: 1) Amplifier (1) McIntosh 2125 2) Pre-amplifier (1) Music Reference RM-5 re-tubed (values) RAM matched 6922's & fully upgraded to Mark 'V' specs. 3) Speakers (2 sets) a) Castle Pembroke II (bass reflex). b) Dynaco (with swivel brackets) secondary bedroom system 4) Turntable (1) Thorens TD 160 Stylus: Orofon M 15 E Super (mm) 5) CD players (2) a) Marantz SE-63 b) Dynaco CDV-1 7) CD transport (1) Audio Alchemy Digital Drive System III 6) DA Converters (2) a) Audio Alchemy Digital Decoding Engine v. 3.0 with HDCD b) Marantz 203 (bitstream) 7) Analogue cassette decks (3) (I'm looking to add a fourth deck the Nak BX-300, btw!) a) Teac V-670 b) Harmon-Kardon TD302 c) Nakamichi BX-2 8) FM Tuner (1) McIntosh MR-78 (one of the best and last analogue tuners that Mac ever made) 9) FM/AM Tuner (1) Marantz model #115-B 10) Headphones (4 high-end models) a) Stax Gamma Pros b) Grado HP-2 c) Sennheiser 580 (the special Jubilee edition) d) Beyerdynamic DT-990 Pro 11) Integrated amp (1) Kenwood KA-5700 (used in secondary system) 12) TV/Monitor (2) a) NAD MR-20 (Mr. TV!) b) An old Commodore and still working! 13) VCR stereo recorder/player (1) (will be adding a second) a) Mitsubishi HS-U51 14) Laser Disc players (2) Pioneer CLD-97 (Their very best 'state of the art') Pioneer CLD-1080 15) Headphone amps (3) a) Audiophile Home HeadRoom b) Stax (Pro) c) Stax (normal) 16) Niles switching boxes (6) L/R junction, speakers and tape controller, etc. 17) Specialized audio/video switcher (1) Teac AV 300 18) Specialized power filters & line conditioners (3) a) Audio Power // Super Power Pack V b) Audio Power // Pack II c) Specialized (Music Lovers Audio) four amp line filter 19) Specialized cables (all connects) -- One word: Tons! 20) To be added: Tascam Pro-CDR recorder (1) 21) To be added: (second) Stereo VCR player/recorder (1) 22) To be added: DVD player 'Only the very best for my TD!' All low-end of the high-end (with some unique exceptions like the McIntosh MR-78 FM Tuner ($2K), Pioneer CLD-97 Laser Disc player ($2.5K), the NAD MR-20 color monitor ($800 from the original sticker price the best 20' inch monitor ever made and assembled and some simply refer to it as 'Mr. TV!'), and finally the Tascam Pro CDR-recorder ($1.6K) to be added. About $22K plus or minus in total cost. So, as you can see I go the whole 'nine yards' when it comes to: ~ Tangerine Dream ~ 'They are, after all, simply the best!' Re: D: Live Week 36 (Majordomo & Tadream post). TD show, Berkeley, CA, 09/24/88. ******************************************************* ________________________________________________________ Well, that's it! I was just siting here working on my massive TD e-mails OUT to all my contacts when the Tadream OneList digest filled up and dropped into the bread basket (twenty-five post), and thought to take a quick look see and what's what, etc. Peace and harmony to all TD diehards and fans. May we all enjoy what we do have, TD and otherwise... :-) My TD Best Always, -- Al Berkeley, CA / USA PS: Sorry that I didn't post my 'Collector's Corner' for the incredible 'Ricochet!' At present, I only have nine entries anyway. BTW, Thomas: 'It ROCKS!' was good enough for me. As 'Sorcerer' was my first ever TD item (from the VINYL), I promise to continue the 'TDIFC' tradition later this week... ;-) NP: 'SONY Topping Off Ceremony ~Tangerine Dream~ Live' (from the CD single). Here is a major excerpt posted in the TDI HP guestbook yesterday (10/31/99): Dear Tangerine Dream, 'Yesterday I had the unique pleasure of listening to the SONY Topping Off Ceremony CD single recorded in Berlin, Germany (Potsdamer Platz), on September 2, 1998. This is a truly wonderful and beautiful classical 'Tangerine Dream' composition. Including the remixing of TD of old with sounds that are so fresh and sweeping with there majestic flow and ebb that put into a phrase simply take your breath away. Loved every precious moment of it! (btw, the drums were also terrific). Please, I ask you to make this available (including the video), sometime in the very near future and given a wider release for all your countless number of devoted fans. All we ask is that you lead the way and we shall all follow your dream...' ________________________________________________ Hope they like that! BTW, For everything that I expressed above 'IMHO' for anyone that needs it. :-) 'till next time... -- Al ________________________________________________ __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18787 Re: Re (x lots): SV: OT: Hiss removel software. PNaunton@xxx.xxx Tue 11/2/1999 3 KB From: 'Thomas'