From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1997 11:27 pm Subject: happy new year from the Basque Country !!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jupe Regards from the Basque Country !!!!!! Zorionak eta Urte Berri On !!!!!!!!! JUPE -- ***************************************************** * La PAGINA de TANGERINE DREAM de JUPE * http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/ mailto:jupe@c... * New SWAP List 1.5 , write me !!!!! * Nueva Lista de CAMBIO 1.5 , escribeme !!!!! * http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm ***************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1998 12:03 am Subject: Re: Happy new year ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' What's all the fuss about changing a stinken number? It's more problem then good.. never could figure it out.. anyway.. I'm getting back asleep so I can sleep through the whole rukus! Greg H. NP: Encore -- Monolight From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1998 1:16 am Subject: Re: RISKY BUSINESS--THE COMPLETE VINYL COLLECTION--ON CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid sounds like something I might go for. However, I think only 1 copy of the kit and the different mixes of the TD tracks from the movie are necessary. oh yes, happy new year everyone! Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1998 2:09 am Subject: Re: Tadream Page Update. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > I listened to the 3 Timesquare samples and the 3:50 > 'Ambient Monkeys' sample. I really liked the latter.. > as it sounded so familiar to a certain older > material. Anyway, if no has figured out yet.. > I think the background music is 'Astral Voyager' from 'Green Desert'. Since I am still waiting to receive my copy of Ambient Monkey, and the Real Audio Player marked the title as 'XX' (the Wbmaster doesn't know either?), can anybody who has the CD tell which track it is on A.M.? Jeffrey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1998 2:26 am Subject: Digest archives ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm Does anyone know where the digest archives for 1995-1997 are... I've had a look on ftp.uwp.edu and there were only 1990-94 (though it was a mirror site, so perhaps not up to date). Thanks, Lawry And a Happy New Year! :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1998 8:56 am Subject: Happy New Year! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Hi fellow Dreamers! I'd like to wish you a fantastic 1998 and may all your secret dreams and desires come true. If you really want something in life, I think you can get it as long as you don't hurt others. Say a little prayer, work hard, and someday you'll get it. Let's look forward to another great year of TD releases! I'm wondering about those upcoming re-released soundtracks. Also some tours would be nice - maybe one in the US I hope! Also, don't forget to check out the Klaus Schulze home page at: http://www.klaus-schulze.com, the latest information states that the US TD fan magazine 'Beyond the Horizon' will be publishing the latest KS Inner Circle information!!! This is fantastic and very welcomed. I just truly question why TD has a hangup about being friends with BtH? Maybe 1998 should be a year of mending old heartbreaks? Come on, even Iran has suggested on speaking with the US about foreign relations? May your 1998 year of life be filled with happiness and knowledge, Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 25548 Happy New Year! Todd Tornow Mon 1/1/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 2, 1998 12:40 am Subject: Re: Beyond the Horizon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-01-01 03:58:42 EST, you write: << the latest information states that the US TD fan magazine 'Beyond the Horizon' will be publishing the latest KS Inner Circle information!!! This i >> I would caution you on subscribing to this magazine. I did so in Oct of 96 (if I had known they were going to go to war with TD, I never would have since my major reason for subscribing was for news on TD only). I finally received the first issue in Mar 97, then another in July. Nothing since even tho I was supposed to receive 4 issues in that year. The cost of $25 for the year is pretty steep for no more than two thin issues that became very uncomplimentary of TD. Thank you for reminding me that I need to go write them a nasty letter. Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9759 Re: Beyond the Horizon TWeibre361 Fri 1/2/1998 3 KB 9777 Re: Beyond the Horizon AOutland Sat 1/3/1998 3 KB 9781 Re: Beyond the Horizon TWeibre361 Sat 1/3/1998 3 KB 9852 Re: Beyond the Horizon Sturminatr Thu 1/8/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 2, 1998 12:58 am Subject: The Zoo and Johannas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@c...> For full enjoyment of The Zoo of Tranquillity I suggest acquiring the book ('Spooner's Moving Animals, or The Zoo of Tranquility') which inspired it. It seems to me that the music is very much in keeping with the spirit of the book. (And the track 'The Wedding Cake' will make make better sense. ;-) >>Bob<< From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 2, 1998 2:00 am Subject: Re: Beyond the Horizon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-01 19:48:27 EST, you write: << I would caution you on subscribing to this magazine. I did so in Oct of 96 (if I had known they were going to go to war with TD, I never would have since my major reason for subscribing was for news on TD only). I finally received the first issue in Mar 97, then another in July. Nothing since even tho I was supposed to receive 4 issues in that year. The cost of $25 for the year is pretty steep for no more than two thin issues that became very uncomplimentary of TD. Thank you for reminding me that I need to go write them a nasty letter. Dell >> apparently you did not read ur issues very carefully...what u consider 'uncomplimentary', for others may seem to be an unfortunate reality...yes, they have publication delays, but in the end they produce an excellent product....imo, stick with it... tom w np: majek fashek - prisoner of consciousness From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 2, 1998 11:07 pm Subject: Re: love on a real train ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Jens >It's not just a LOART Compilation ... you haven't been keeping up with the >posts ;-) Iīve been keeping up (enjoyed it recently) but if you count all the different mentioned edits and remixes you can easily fill a single CD-R with loads of LOART stuff. Fortunely Pete Namlook havenīt used it yet, otherwise it would be a 2 CD-R set ;-) >it's a complete risky business compilation, including the audio >kit and all known versions of the material (some of which are quite >rare)... blame it on steven 'mr obsessive' feldman ;-) I'm just in this >for the music! Hey, Iīm not here to blame anyone, itīs quite interesting to see the list of all the different versions, but donīt wanna hear 60 minutes of a 4 minutes worth track. BTW: Did you already sent the mail to GEMA, did you solve the puzzle, Don Q ? ]:-) Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9761 Re: love on a real train Lars R. Jones Sat 1/3/1998 3 KB 9763 Re: love on a real train Sean Montgomery Sat 1/3/1998 3 KB 9764 Re: love on a real train KRAUSENECKS Sat 1/3/1998 3 KB 9766 Re: love on a real train TWeibre361 Sat 1/3/1998 2 KB 9771 love on a real train Lars R. Jones Fri 1/2/1998 3 KB 9773 love on a real train Lars R. Jones Fri 1/2/1998 3 KB 9774 Re: love on a real train Lars R. Jones Sat 1/3/1998 2 KB 9775 Re: love on a real train Lars R. Jones Fri 1/2/1998 3 KB 9838 Re: love on a real train Dave Steiner Wed 1/7/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 2, 1998 11:28 pm Subject: Re: love on a real train ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Keith Richie' What about 'Running out of time' from the Miracle Mile soundtrack. It's Basically LOART. Keith A. Richie krichie@w... http://www.netpath.com/~krichie (The Coffee Shop) -----Original Message----- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Date: Friday, January 02, 1998 10:36 AM Subject: love on a real train Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> OK gang (the information sought includes anything RB related) some LOART updates: -- does anyone have the Global Communications remix of LOART (12'??) we From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 2, 1998 9:19 pm Subject: Risky Business cdr ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Hi Gang, Have we gotten anywhere as of yet with the definitive Risky Business cdr? Hey Lars, is this your LOART cdr youve been discussing. Either way I want one!!!Let's get more input on this pupy. Who's gonna make it? Chris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9765 Re: Risky Business cdr Hermes Guzman Sat 1/3/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 2, 1998 11:23 pm Subject: Re: love on a real train ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > -- does anyone have the Global Communications remix of LOART (12'??) we > might need a good tape of it without dolby for the complete set... can > anyone tell us about it - specifics? times, samples, mixes, etc. Do you just mean the version on the 76:14 album? Is there another? Oh, and depending on how wide you want to cast your net when dealing with LOART versions, there's also the version on Antarktis, and I would also argue that 'Running Out of Time' on Miracle Mile is LOART in disguise. Heck, there are even shades of it in the track 'Smile' from Tyger, but I think that's going too far. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 2, 1998 11:41 pm Subject: RE: love on a real train ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS In a past letter Jen wrote: >Hey, Iīm not here to blame anyone, itīs quite interesting to see the list of all the different versions, but donīt wanna hear 60 minutes of a 4 minutes worth track. I DO I DO I DO, I guess only a few of us are truely obsessive eh? Huh Mr. Feldman. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Re: Risky Business cdr ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all- >Really-From: KRAUSENECKS > Have we gotten anywhere as of yet with the definitive Risky Business >cdr? Hey Lars, is this your LOART cdr youve been discussing. Either way I >want one!!!Let's get more input on this pupy. Who's gonna make it? >Chris Be careful what you wish for...you just may get it! Details to come... goozer --------------------------------------------------- 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has blurred.' --------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 3, 1998 12:11 am Subject: Re: love on a real train ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-02 18:24:34 EST, you write: << - does anyone have the Global Communications remix of LOART (12'??) we >> r u certain about this? i know theres a portion of gc's classic 76:14 that incorporates this, but a 12'? i dont know..... tom w np: GC - 76:14 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Annual Risky Business FAQ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! Boy, is this list cyclical or what? I originally posted this last January, in response to the same questions from a few of the same people! Good thing I have a complete 2 yr. archive on my hard drive...;) ++++++++++++++++++++ Please use a monospaced font (such as Courier or Chicago) for display, so you may accurately view the chart. ===RISKY BUSINESS=== Much has been made over the relatively small amount of music for what was essentially a B-grade summer teen-flick. Add to this the fact that less than 15 minutes of totally original music appear both on screen and on disc (of course, some of the original music appears more than once.) The rest of the material are merely extracts from _Force Majure_, _Tangram_ (not included on any RB release), the song 'Sobornost' ('Replacing the Furniture') and _Exit_, with new intros or instrument tracks. And yet, 'Love On A Real Train' has become somewhat of a signature song for TD, as well as a fan favorite. In fact, this song has a number of unique distinctions: there are *4* different official versions (including the film version); it has been remade in new versions for at least 3 other films (see below); and it has been performed live on *5* different tours! Below is a chart which lists all of the music material from _Risky Business_ that has been released to date. All track times are taken from the original sources; in the case of the analog sources, a stopwatch was used. The asterisks denote different versions of the same track; all versions were played in A-B comparative sequence as well as simultaneous sequence to determine any differences beyond simple fades. This should help to clear up some of the confusion caused by erroneous information (hopefully just simple typos!) in 'Voices In The Dunes': Track Times:RBAK US LP UK CD DS T Song Title: The Dream Is Always The Same ---- *2:29 3:45 3:42 3:28 No Future (Get Off The Babysitter) *1:21 1:56 2:00 ---- ---- Guido The Killer Pimp *3:04 4:20 4:21 ---- ---- Lana *1:46 3:53 3:54 ---- ---- Love On A Real Train (Risky Business) *3:08 *2:21 3:59 3:58 *5:10 Porche Plunge I :30 ---- ---- ---- ---- Porche Plunge II :24 ---- ---- ---- ---- Cathing The Egg :11 ---- ---- ---- ---- Replacing the Furniture :57 ---- ---- ---- ---- If it is not asterisked, then it is not a new version, although the running times may be slightly different. In the case of the song 'The Dream Is Always The Same', the _Tangents_ version simply fades the last 17 seconds off of the song, it has not been otherwise altered. The differences in the RBAK versions of 'No Future', 'Guido...' and 'Lana' with the official versions is that the new intros to these old tracks have basically been removed. There was also a 7' release of 'Love On A Real Train', but it is the same as the US LP version. ++And now for the 'Risky Mixes'! ; ) The following are alternate takes of 'Love On A Real Train' that the band has done for the indicated films: 'Go To The Head Of The Class'-3 O'Clock High [3:12] 'Bonding By Candlelight'-3 O'Clock High (Simply half of the above track) [1:35] 'Running Out Of Time'-Miracle Mile (a very nice take on the song) [3:31] 'Taking The Test'-Catch Me If You Can (A truly *remixed* version!) [1:30] There are others, to be sure, but they have not appeared on any release to date. ++Live, baby, live! ; ) Once again, 'Love On A Real Train' has been part of five different concert programs, as follows; '83 Polish Tour, the one-off Mill Valley Film Festival concert of Nov. 15, 1986,'87 Berlin 750th Anniversary Concert, '90 UK Tour, and '92 North American Tour. The track times are: 'Poland' ('Love On A Polish Train' remix) [8:40] from _Poland_ (Fade in at 2:49 and fade out at 11:29) 'Love On A Real Train' ('Mill Valley Station') [?:??] still awaiting fantape... 'Love On A Real Train' ('Berlin Reichstag Station') [2:42] from _Antarktis_ 'Love On A Real Train' ('Bristol Station') [2:49] from _In Den Garten Pharoas_ 'Love On A Real Train' ('Seattle Station') [2:42] from _Three Phase_ And I'm sure more to come! A special mention must go to Global Communication for providing a truly outstanding version of LoaRT on their _76:14_ CD. It is tracks 8 07 and 5 23 (which are actually one continuous piece) and almost worth the price of the disc alone! Fortunately, the rest of the disc is as good or better, so I *highly* recommend finding a copy, if you can. It is very hard to come by now! Finally, mere mention is given to Mark Ayers version of LoaRT. It's ok, I guess. ===END=== goozer --------------------------------------------------- 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has blurred.' --------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 2, 1998 9:50 am Subject: Re: final post for today .. i think ;>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC Somebody has been smoking too much of the local peyote. :) In a message dated 97-12-31 17:51:33 EST, you write: << Which cd's i preffered ? Kula Shaker - 4. Govinda Santana Trainspotting Jazz Pulp Fiction good movies ;>>>> excellent food ;>>>> best quality homemade pot ;>>>>> and so ...... My name is Dusan, which 008 ? ;>> >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 2, 1998 10:07 am Subject: Re: final post for today .. i think ;>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Really-From: TangerineC > > > Somebody has been smoking too much of the local peyote. :) > > In a message dated 97-12-31 17:51:33 EST, you write: > > << Which cd's i preffered ? > > Kula Shaker - 4. Govinda > Santana > Trainspotting > Jazz > Pulp Fiction > good movies ;>>>> > excellent food ;>>>> > best quality homemade pot ;>>>>> > and so ...... > > My name is Dusan, which 008 ? ;>> > >> Heck, that person also decided to put that in the guestbook on the TD page. I'm still trying to figure this one out! Where did everyone go? Am I the only one who drank orange juice for New Years? Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 2, 1998 2:29 pm Subject: Item for trade... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> HI Steve Greetings and Happy New Year. Whatever happened with the PDU Zeit? I think the last thing I heard was that you checked my list and made an offer, and I countered but nothing since. just curious lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 2, 1998 2:55 pm Subject: love on a real train ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> HI Gang Steven F asked me to post this question since he doesn't have email access for the next week. How many and what other versions of Love on a Real Train are there (including all remixes): He has: Risky Business 1st pressing Risky Business 2nd pressing 3 Phase 3 O'Clock HIgh ('bonding by candlelight' and 'go to the head of the class') but he thinks (and I seem to recall as well) that other versions of LOART had been discussed on the list as well. can anyone help us out? thanks lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 2, 1998 2:59 pm Subject: sorry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Hi Steve & list sorry that last message about zeit was supposed to go off list 50 lashes lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 2, 1998 4:33 pm Subject: love on a real train ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> OK gang (the information sought includes anything RB related) some LOART updates: -- does anyone have the Global Communications remix of LOART (12'??) we might need a good tape of it without dolby for the complete set... can anyone tell us about it - specifics? times, samples, mixes, etc. we have by TD:: Risky Business audio kit Risky Business 1st pressing Risky Business 2nd pressing 3 Phase (LOART) 3 O'Clock HIgh ('bonding by candlelight' and 'go to the head of the class') (both LOART) now we also have: Tangents disk 4 'dream is always the same' and 'risky business' (really LOART) both are remixes Catch me if you can: taking the test (LOART) and remixed by others: dream music 2 (silva) LOART arranged and performed by Mark Ayres 4:28 fantasy merchants version of LOART 3:38 global communications remix of LOART 13 min? also (NOT remixed TD versions): Dream sequence: dream is always the same & LOART -- both identical to 2nd pressing vinyl ciao lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 2, 1998 5:26 pm Subject: Re: love on a real train ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Do ya wanna compile a complete LOART CD-R ? Cīmon, Lars, it isnīt THAT good ;-) Jens np: RB, track 11 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 2, 1998 5:47 pm Subject: Re: love on a real train ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Jens It's not just a LOART Compilation ... you haven't been keeping up with the posts ;-) it's a complete risky business compilation, including the audio kit and all known versions of the material (some of which are quite rare)... blame it on steven 'mr obsessive' feldman ;-) I'm just in this for the music! lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 2, 1998 6:06 pm Subject: Re: CDNow (was 'CD Sale List - late additions') ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes SRiser3600 wrote: > > thanks for your answer > Its been about three weeks and ive heard nothing . > they dont answer my e-mail . > do the have an 800 number or any number? Sorry if someone else posted this already, because I'm on digest mode. This is the phone number printed on CDNow invoices: (215)654-8076. BTW, I'm also a satisfied customer of CDNow. Antonio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 3, 1998 2:05 am Subject: Re: Beyond the Horizon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-01-01 21:04:45 EST, you write: << they have publication delays, but in the end they produce an excellent product....imo, stick with it... >> The last issue I received was Volume 5 number 2 Spring 1997. Have there been any other issues released since that one? If not, I will 'stick with it' since I would like to see value for my money. However, if you have received an issue since the above, then I will know I have been overlooked and will want an answer as to why. Can you clarify? As for what their opinion of TD is, or yours for that matter, that's all fine and I respect your feelings. However, mine is different and I would not have subscribed to this magazine knowing what I do now. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 3, 1998 2:30 am Subject: Is MIRAMAR still alive? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Has anyone been able to contact MIRAMAR lately? Better yet, has anyone taken them up on the offer for a poster fron the box of 'Brick?' Have not been able to find a net site or an e-mail address for them. Any help will be appreciated. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 3, 1998 3:13 am Subject: Dream Mixes Cut on Aftertouch Sampler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jim Moore For you hardcore completists out there: There is a 1:10 sample of 'Blond in the Park of Attractions' (Thai Dub) on the new 'Out of the Shadows' sampler CD from CMC's newest issue of Aftertouch. 'Moving out... from the City of Love... to the Valley of Reason...' -- Dream Academy: 'The Lession of Love' 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9780 Re: Dream Mixes Cut on Aftertouch Sampler Elias Granillo, Jr. Sat 1/3/1998 3 KB 9782 Re: Dream Mixes Cut on Aftertouch Sampler Jim Moore Sat 1/3/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 3, 1998 4:23 am Subject: Re: Dream Mixes Cut on Aftertouch Sampler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Dream Mixes Cut on Aftertouch Sampler > Date: Friday, January 02, 1998 7:13 PM > > Really-From: Jim Moore > > > For you hardcore completists out there: > > There is a 1:10 sample of 'Blond in the Park of Attractions' (Thai Dub) > on the new 'Out of the Shadows' sampler CD from CMC's newest issue > of Aftertouch. > That sounds neat, but where did they get the idea of tracking only 1:10 of that track? Whatever... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 3, 1998 1:34 pm Subject: Re: Beyond the Horizon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-02 21:17:28 EST, you write: << The last issue I received was Volume 5 number 2 Spring 1997. Have there been any other issues released since that one? If not, I will 'stick with it' since I would like to see value for my money. However, if you have received an issue since the above, then I will know I have been overlooked and will want an answer as to why. Can you clarify? now that u mention it, that was the last issue...that is too long....one of the editors is on this list, so hopefully he can clarify the situation...an email directly to the mag may also help...ill let u know if i get a reply... As for what their opinion of TD is, or yours for that matter, that's all fine and I respect your feelings. However, mine is different and I would not have subscribed to this magazine knowing what I do now. Dell >> ok.... tom w np: jet chamber III From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 3, 1998 2:36 pm Subject: RE: Dream Mixes Cut on Aftertouch Sampler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jim Moore > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > There is a 1:10 sample of 'Blond in the Park of Attractions' (Thai Dub) > > on the new 'Out of the Shadows' sampler CD from CMC's newest issue > > of Aftertouch. > > That sounds neat, but where did they get the idea of tracking only 1:10 of > that track? The CD has samples from over 60 different albums... I guess that's all that would fit... - jim 'Moving out... from the City of Love... to the Valley of Reason...' -- Dream Academy: 'The Lession of Love' 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 3, 1998 5:18 pm Subject: Aug 95 Future Music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm Looking through my old magazines I found the Aug 95 FM mag, with a TD track on the CD coverdisk, and an intervies with the band. Not having been on this list that long, was this discussed, and was the interview posted at all? The track is a 3'51 version of Catwalk (just fades out early I think). If the interview was posted, where can I find it? If not, and if anyone is interested in it, I may type it up. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 3, 1998 5:19 pm Subject: RE: Love on a real train... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm The dream is always the same is way way better! :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 4, 1998 8:48 pm Subject: Re: The Keep Is Released ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' > > Greetings, > > This may be old information since I'm on the digest but The Keep has > been released in the special CD package format. As of today SMD had six > left but don't expect any bargains though as the cost is 25 pounds > because of the packaging. Please, tell us how to Reach SMD Is it an internet music store ? Does it have any web address ? To anyone who knows how to get this CD by internet please send the info here to the list ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 3, 1998 9:28 pm Subject: TDI catalog numbers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gary Struhlik Please help me and add some more informations to the following list. I would like to get the complete list of all TDI releases and if limited edition the number of copies. Thanks ! TDI 001 The Dream Mixes (2CD) TDI 002 Tyranny Of Beauty TDI 003 Turn Of The Tides TDI 004 Rockoon TDI 005 Limited Tour Edition 1997 (5000 copies) TDI 006 Shepherds Bush ? how many copies ? TDI 007 Oasis TDI 008 Tournado TDI 009 Time Square - The Dream Mixes II TDI 010 The Keep TDI 011 Ambient Monkeys Gary S. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9790 Re: TDI catalog numbers José =?iso Sun 1/4/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 3, 1998 9:28 pm Subject: Ambient Monkeys and Time Square really available in Germany ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gary Struhlik Today I got the AM and TS CD from a German store JPC. The CDs are really available in Germany !! Short comment to the tracks on the CDs: Very great (both CDs) AM: Very silent music. I think the fathers work. TS: More dance music and it is more the sons work. Gary S. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 3, 1998 9:31 pm Subject: Discussion Threads. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm Vic, You know how each week you announce what the discussion thread for the week is? Do you have that planned for the year in advance? Do you post the whole list in advance, and then just issue reminders every week? Do you decide what the threads are... or is that a 'committee' decision? Just wondering as I've only been here for six months, and don't really know the plot. :-) Thanks, Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9792 Re: Discussion Threads. Vic Rek Sun 1/4/1998 5 KB 9799 Re: Discussion Threads. AOutland Mon 1/5/1998 3 KB 9800 Re: Discussion Threads. Vic Rek Mon 1/5/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 3, 1998 9:33 pm Subject: SMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > >Please, tell us how to Reach SMD No problem, Francisco, SMD is the British Synth Music Direct, http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk/ They seem to offer an internet membership option now, but you should ask Dave Barker directly, if theyīve still 'THE KEEP' copies (for 25 quid!) left. dbarker1@c... Guess, theyīve picked up a few copies during the UK tour, unfortunately adding 5 pounds :-( Good luck :-) Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 3, 1998 10:14 pm Subject: Re: TDI catalog numbers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fern=E1ndez?= >TDI 001 The Dream Mixes (2CD) >TDI 002 Tyranny Of Beauty (bonus track: Quasar) >TDI 003 Turn Of The Tides (bonus track: Story Of The Brave) >TDI 004 Rockoon (different cover) >TDI 005 Limited Tour Edition 1997 (5000 copies) (CD Single) >TDI 006 Shepherds Bush (2000 copies) (CD Single) >TDI 007 Oasis (soundtrack) >TDI 008 Tournado (live) >TDI 009 TimeSquare - The Dream Mixes II >TDI 010 The Keep (soundtrack) >TDI 011 Ambient Monkeys Pepe JOSE FERNANDEZ GARCIA jferna12@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 3, 1998 11:39 pm Subject: Tangerine TripHop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ken Beal Howdy All, I was browsing the alt.music.techno newsgroup today and found reference to TD. It concerned a review of a CD by Delphium (whoever they are) found in the November 1997 issue of The Wire: Here is what they said...interesting....huh?! 'Next to many of their musical points of comparison, Delphium have a surprising talent for variety. This album touches on dark ambience, as in the flavoured post-triphop Tangerine Dream electro pulse and gloomy soundtrack music without ever completely losing its sense of focus. The best piece, 'no Longer Feel Pain' matches Coil's understated surrealism , with strangulated , sonoorous mechanisms eventually shot down by sudden bursts of repetitive beats......an acomplished album' Have a good year. Ken From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 4, 1998 3:19 am Subject: Re: Discussion Threads. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Hi Lawry, Thanks for the question. Maybe others are curious too. Before this D:Solo discussion we had a D: thread that focused on all the TD releases in alphabetical order. This was led by Scott Plumer and basically a post was made every Monday or so as to what is the album of the week. In general you know what's next if you have a TD discography. After this was complete I volunteered to continue the thread. We discussed how the thread should go by list committee. Some wanted to contine TD, but the live stuff, others wanted to review the solo releases. We concluded on the latter. So the general format for this discussion is alphabetical by solo artist, with major artists receiving a week for each release (more or less). This thread started June 16th 1997 with Peter Baumann's 'Romance'76' and will conclude in mid February 1998 (soon!) with Klaus Schulze. I did post a D:Solo Calendar (which I only have a hardcopy of), but I'm not a pack rat, so it's long been deleted. Maybe someone else can re-post this? So we have left two more weeks of Schmoelling, a week of Schnitzler, a week of Schroyder, and a week or so of Schulze. I think the last time I posted some response statistics it was after our discussion of Franke releases. Here is the latest response information: E. Froese - Aqua 9 - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale 14 - Electronic Dreams 7 - Macula Transfer 10 - Ages 6 - Stuntman 8 - Solo 1974-1979 3 - Kamikaze 1989 5 - Pinnacles 4 - Beyond the Storm 4 Paul Haslinger 4 Michael Hoenig 7 Steve Jolliffe 3 Klaus Kruger 6 Johannes Schmoelling - Wuivend Riet 5 - Zoo of Tranquillity 6 So speaking of the plot, it's time to question this list and see which way the D: thread should go (if even at all?). Also, do we have any volunteers to carry the torch? Vic >Really-From: Lawrysimm > > >Vic, > >You know how each week you announce what the discussion thread for the week >is? >Do you have that planned for the year in advance? Do you post the whole list >in advance, and then just issue reminders every week? Do you decide what the >threads are... or is that a 'committee' decision? Just wondering as I've >only been >here for six months, and don't really know the plot. :-) > > >Thanks, >Lawry > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 4, 1998 3:42 am Subject: D:Solo Week 30 - Jan. 5, 1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week we would like to hear comments on: Johannes Schmoelling - White Out -------------------------------- Please make subject heading 'D:White Out' when replying. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 4, 1998 1:56 pm Subject: D:White Out ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) I borrowed this disc from a friend and enjoyed it, although it is quite different. I would like to obtain a copy of it if available. Anybody want to sell me theirs? - Matt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9837 Re: D:White Out Phil PDX Wed 1/7/1998 2 KB 10060 D:White Out Marcel Engels Thu 1/15/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 4, 1998 2:12 pm Subject: Re: CD-R Deterioration?!?! (was Desperation...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 01:26 PM 12/29/97 EST, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman >> From Klaus Bechorner: >> Some of my CD-Rs, made just a few years ago have deteriorated to where >> they won't play anymore. > ?!?!?! This is disconcerting. In library school, from which I >graduated only a year ago, I had two classes wherein the professor said >that the average optimal lifespan of a regular CD was 3-5 years whereas >the average optimal lifespan of a gold CD was 80-120 years. Um, surely he is talking about scratches when he puts a lifetime of 3-5 years for regular CDs. Regular CDs survive for 20-30 years afaik. Gold CDs do last quite a bit longer. >Last time >I heard, CD-Rs are (or at least were back in 1991) gold CDs. Gold CD-Rs are not Gold CDs in the sense you're thinking. I actually prefer burning on blue discs, because more CD-ROM drives recognize them. 'Regular' and 'Gold' CDs you buy at any music store are 'glass-mastered' in quantities of hundreds or more and are made in a similar method to old vinyl albums. Aka, they make an 'impression' glass master and then just press that into plastic. -_--__-_-__--_--_-_-_--__ plastic (engraved)* ************************* reflective silver or gold ------------------------- plastic backing * 'pits' or 'grooves' in the surface of the CD refract the laser, scattering it, so it doesn't bounce back. Otherwise, if the surface is not pitted, the laser bounces back and is picked up by a sensor. 'pits' and 'flats' make up the ones and zeroes of binary. A CD-Recordable disc is a bit different. The green, blue, or gold is still used for reflective purposes. But it's not an 'impression.' As far as this lifetime of 2-3 years, he must be using some pretty crappy media. The 'good stuff', including Sony, Yamaha, and TDK media are rated for music and data for 20-30 years also. Any you can always make another clone. ------------------------- plastic topside %%@%@%@%@@%%@@@%%%%@%@%@% transparent dye* ************************* reflective gold, blue, or green ------------------------- plastic backing * The transparent dye, when heated for a short time, turns solid black, obstructing the laser. This works the same way as a CD-ROM, aka, either the laser bounces back or it doesn't. >If this is >so, what could be responsible for your CD-Rs deteriorating?!?!?! This >is quite alarming, IMHO; makes me think I should concentrate more on >my vinyl than my CD collection! The old CD-Recordable drives made much weaker burns and used much older and less sturdy media. feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 4:17 pm Subject: Re: CD-R Deterioration?!?! (was Desperation...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: feldon@p... > > A CD-Recordable disc is a bit different. The green, blue, or gold is still > used for reflective purposes. But it's not an 'impression.' As far as this > lifetime of 2-3 years, he must be using some pretty crappy media. The 'good > stuff', including Sony, Yamaha, and TDK media are rated for music and data > for 20-30 years also. Any you can always make another clone. > > ------------------------- plastic topside > %%@%@%@%@@%%@@@%%%%@%@%@% transparent dye* > ************************* reflective gold, blue, or green > ------------------------- plastic backing > > * The transparent dye, when heated for a short time, turns solid black, > obstructing the laser. This works the same way as a CD-ROM, aka, either the > laser bounces back or it doesn't. > I believe CDROMS are: ------------------------- plastic topside ************************* reflective gold, blue, or green %%@%@%@%@@%%@@@%%%%@%@%@% Colored organic dye* ------------------------- plastic recording side So laser burns holes that get reflected . Not burned signals reflects directly in the less reflective organic dye. That's the reason a non-recorded surface has a darker color than a recorded one. > >If this is > >so, what could be responsible for your CD-Rs deteriorating?!?!?! This > >is quite alarming, IMHO; makes me think I should concentrate more on > >my vinyl than my CD collection! > Former dye compounds were found to be prone to deterioration due to normal daylight ( and worse even with sunlight). The new organic dyes found today ( by major brands, not those 'who the hell knows' brands) guarantee more than 100 years. > The old CD-Recordable drives made much weaker burns and used much older and > less sturdy media. > Right, but the problem was dye compound deterioration. --Francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9797 Re: CD-R Deterioration?!?! (was Desperation...) David Datta Sun 1/4/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 4, 1998 3:43 pm Subject: Re: CD-R Deterioration?!?! (was Desperation...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: feldon@p... : -_--__-_-__--_--_-_-_--__ plastic (engraved)* : ************************* reflective silver or gold : ------------------------- plastic backing : : * 'pits' or 'grooves' in the surface of the CD refract the laser, : scattering it, so it doesn't bounce back. Otherwise, if the surface is not : pitted, the laser bounces back and is picked up by a sensor. 'pits' and : 'flats' make up the ones and zeroes of binary. Actually, this isn't quite correct. The transition between a 'pit' and 'flat' is a 1. No transition is a zero. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 4, 1998 10:25 pm Subject: E. Rigby/Thief Yang CD single ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Several copies of the 96 TOur single have turned up in a shop near my office...IF anyone is still looking for these contact me off list... Mike Jean, Chicago From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 12:42 am Subject: Re: Discussion Threads. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-01-03 22:31:02 EST, you write: (Vic) << So the general format for this discussion is alphabetical by solo artist, with major artists receiving a week for each release (more or less). This >> So we have left two more weeks of Schmoelling, a week of Schnitzler, a week of Schroyder, and a week or so of Schulze. With Schulze having put out at least 75 albums, he could take up all of 1998! ;-0 Dell PS- I hope your D list will include The Dome Event. Thanks D 8-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 2:32 am Subject: Re: Discussion Threads. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek > With Schulze having put out at least 75 albums, he could take up all of >1998! ;-0 Dell PS- I hope your D list will include The Dome Event. Thanks >D 8-) I would love to go 75 weeks with Klaus, but by then I would have been found and hung! About two weeks will do (maybe 3 depending on the response), so get in your Dome Event review :-) Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 7:43 am Subject: Off-Line ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Stephen Yensen To all my friends on Tadream:- I am off line on my home PC at the moment (syensen@i...) Windows 95 crashed on 23rd December 1997, and, of course, I can't find the CD! Sorry for the non-TD content. Steve. NP: The Keep Special Edition (on my work PC) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 10:41 am Subject: Daddy Alert! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD 199801.04-2256 (for you Stardate Impaired 04/01/98 @ 10:56PM) Nathan Berk Isaacson, an early bird by 90 days 1lb 10oz 13inches Dena's fine I need sleep & good thoughts/karma We are a people so primitive we call our planet DIRT! - Peter A Isaacson /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9809 Re: Daddy Alert! Pat / Juke / Whatever... Mon 1/5/1998 7 KB 9810 Re: Daddy Alert! Gabe Yedid Mon 1/5/1998 2 KB 9814 Re: Daddy Alert! Michael Fox Mon 1/5/1998 3 KB 9818 Re: Daddy Alert! sisterdana@j... Mon 1/5/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 12:05 pm Subject: Electronic Dreams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Happy New Year! That includes the many French people on the list too. Fred, you're aol.com address hid your nationality, as did your good English. Certainly better than my French, as Mr. Goudreaux pointed out! As usual, Christmas saw another buying spree on the CD front, although not all directly related to TD. I got Queen's new album (Queen Rocks) from my wife. It's great! For myself, I bought a Porcupine Tree CD (The Sky Moves Sideways) which I would not compare to TD in any way: I bought the Orb's new CD (Orblivion) for a bargain Ģ3 (haven't heard it yet, so can't comment); and I bought an excellent compilation CD called Electronic Dreams for the bargain price of Ģ5. Electronic Dreams features 5 TD-related tracks, and 5 other tracks : Etoile Polaire (North Star) - Philip Glass Kiew Mission - TD Airlight - KS Ocean of Tenderness - Ashra Phase by Phase - Peter Baumann Specific Gravity of Smile - EF Black Garden View - CF King Aeolus - David Bedford Taurus 1 - Mike Oldfield Lauft ... Heisst Das Es Lauft Oder Es Konnt Bald ... Lauft - Faust As far as the tracks I am familiar with are concerned, these are just straight off the relevant albums - no special versions/edits as far as I can tell. The album is on Virgin's Choice Cuts label, and is a very enjoyable compilation which, for me, provided some known classics and some new pieces. If you find this cheap at your record store and are looking unfamiliar with some of these artists (like I am), this is a good buy. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9805 Re: Electronic Dreams Vincent Goudreault Mon 1/5/1998 3 KB 9840 Re: Electronic Dreams Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Wed 1/7/1998 4 KB 9807 Re: Electronic Dreams TWeibre361 Mon 1/5/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 12:57 pm Subject: Ltd-edition Klaus Schulze/Ashra/Christopher Franke CD sets for sale! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jonathan Miller Hi everyone, I have the following limited-edition CD sets for sale in absolutely perfect condition, priced in UK pound sterling. Any interested parties should contact me via the details below: Klaus Schulze, 'Jubilee Edition': a 25-CD set (!) of unreleased studio and live recordings spanning the last 25 years, released this summer to celebrate Schulze's 50th birthday, no less. I'm looking for offers in the region of Ģ325 for this one! Klaus Schulze, 'Silver Edition': an autographed 1993 10-CD set of unlreased mostly early 1990s studio and soundtrack recordings, although it also includes 1975 and 1977 concert recordings. Offers in the region of Ģ125. Ash Ra Tempel, 'The Private Tapes': a 1996 6-CD set of unreleased 1970s and 1980s recordings by Manuel Gottsching and his groups Ash Ra Tempel and Ashra. Offers around Ģ100. Christopher Franke, 5 limited-edition 'Babylon 5' 'episodic' CDs containing music from the following single shows in its entire length: 'Severed Dreams'; 'A Late Delivery From Avalon'; 'Walkabout'; 'Shadows Dancing' & 'Z'Ha'Dum'. Ģ80 ono for the set. Best wishes and continued success with your future projects, jsm Jonathan Scott Miller mailto:jonathan@j... 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Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jan 5, 12:05pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Electronic Dreams > > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > > > Happy New Year! > > That includes the many French people on the list too. Fred, you're aol.com > address hid your nationality, as did your good English. Certainly better than > my French, as Mr. Goudreaux pointed out! That's Goudreault, Craig... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9840 Re: Electronic Dreams Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Wed 1/7/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: The Virtual Law Library ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. 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(tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 2:15 pm Subject: Re: Electronic Dreams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-05 07:10:20 EST, you write: << and I bought an excellent compilation CD called Electronic Dreams for the bargain price of Ģ5. Electronic Dreams features 5 TD-related tracks, and 5 other tracks : Etoile Polaire (North Star) - Philip Glass Kiew Mission - TD Airlight - KS Ocean of Tenderness - Ashra Phase by Phase - Peter Baumann Specific Gravity of Smile - EF Black Garden View - CF King Aeolus - David Bedford Taurus 1 - Mike Oldfield Lauft ... Heisst Das Es Lauft Oder Es Konnt Bald ... Lauft - Faust As far as the tracks I am familiar with are concerned, these are just straight off the relevant albums - no special versions/edits as far as I can tell. The album is on Virgin's Choice Cuts label, and is a very enjoyable compilation which, for me, provided some known classics and some new pieces. If you find this cheap at your record store and are looking unfamiliar with some of these artists (like I am), this is a good buy. >> ive got this for trade or sale if anyone is interested... tom w np: peter gabriel - philly 83 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 2:21 pm Subject: Re: The Keep Is Released ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' > >Greetings, > >This may be old information since I'm on the digest but The Keep has >been released in the special CD package format. As of today SMD had six >left but don't expect any bargains though as the cost is 25 pounds >because of the packaging. > Before anyone asks, I believe that the version available from SMD is the same as that sold at TD's UK tour dates. This is based on the wording of the album review and the picture cover shown in the SMD catalogue. And the Ģ25 price matches that at the tour dates, too. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 2:36 pm Subject: RE: Daddy Alert! Hey!I mean... HEY! Congratulations! We are sending along all the positive thoughts we got in the direction of the little guy. :-) -Santa Juke & family> -----Original Message-----> From: PENFOLD [mailto:penfold@artnet.net]> Sent: Monday, January 05, 1998 2:42 AM> To: Aaron A Anthony; AHeilmann@aol.com; fattony413@aol.com;> burnman-list@diox.Eng.Sun.COM; Chuck Cirino; Chuck Theobald;> sopotowsky@loews.com; Damien; Deni Godoi; dbrown6@concentric.net;> gfisher@knotts.com; stenzel@concentric.net; Linda W.; Moebius (Peter> Kranz); rdmm@primenet.com; paivi.kari-zein@helia.fi;> markgraf@odetics.com; rschuyler@pcgv.com; Isaacson, Bob;> Steves442@aol.com; steven_edward@warnerbros.com; Stuart Mangrum;> tadream@cs.uwp.edu; Troy E. Sella> Subject: Daddy Alert!>>> 199801.04-2256> (for you Stardate Impaired 04/01/98 @ 10:56PM)> Nathan Berk Isaacson, an early bird by 90 days> 1lb 10oz> 13inches> Dena's fine>> I need sleep & good thoughts/karma>>>>> We are a people so primitive we call our planet DIRT! - Peter A Isaacson> /^\> | pete> | penfold@artnet.net> |> |> |> YA Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9810 Re: Daddy Alert! Gabe Yedid Mon 1/5/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 2:55 pm Subject: RE: Daddy Alert! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Uh, congratulations are in order, I guess! enjoy the ride Peter ;) Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 3:36 pm Subject: boot questions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> can anyone tell me (on list or off list) about the content of these boots: * Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane (parts 1-4) * Pyramid Dream (only the 42 min of live material) * Edison's Last Playoff (USA 1977 38 minutes) what I'm looking for are dates and locations of the live material thanks lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 10:17 pm Subject: Re: Ltd-edition Klaus Schulze/Ashra/Christopher Franke CD sets for sale! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle ** Jonathan Miller spammed tadream@c... yet again with : >I have the following limited-edition CD sets for sale in absolutely perfect >condition, priced in UK pound sterling. Any interested parties should Come on Jonathon! Enough is enough... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... http://www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 21/12/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9816 Re: Ltd-edition Klaus Schulze/Ashra/Christopher F Michael Fox Mon 1/5/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 5:03 pm Subject: Re: CD Sale List - late additions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 07:59 AM 12/31/97 EST, you wrote: >Really-From: SRiser3600 > >HEY DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE COMPANY CDNOW i HAVE >ORDERED THREE CDS FROM THEM i HAVE NOT SEEN THE MUSIC AND THEY REFUSE TO >ANSWER MY E-MAIL ENQUIRES ABOUT MY ORDER. > > THANKS STEVE > OH YES THEY ARE AN ON-LINE COMPANY I ordered from there once. I am pretty sure I hit the 'order' button the first time, but I didn't get any CDs. So I e-mailed them and I placed the order again. I got the CDs and my CC didn't get charged twice or anything. feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 2:35 pm Subject: Re: Daddy Alert! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 02:41 AM 1/5/98 -0800, you wrote: Peter, Congratulations! Glad all is well with you and your family----sending soothing karmic thoughts out now..... Cheers, Mike >199801.04-2256 >(for you Stardate Impaired 04/01/98 @ 10:56PM) >Nathan Berk Isaacson, an early bird by 90 days >1lb 10oz >13inches >Dena's fine > >I need sleep & good thoughts/karma > > > > >We are a people so primitive we call our planet DIRT! - Peter A Isaacson >/^\ > | pete > | penfold@a... > | > | > | >YA .semi.random.sig.quote > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 2:35 pm Subject: Re: The Virtual Law Library ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 05:40 PM 1/4/98 EST, some spam-ass wrote: >> The Virtual Law Library will unleash the full power of your personal computer<< WOW! Is it really this easy to 'unleash' the power of my old 486? And I was gonna buy a Pentium.....tsk tsk. Sitting round-eyed in wonder, Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 2:35 pm Subject: Re: Ltd-edition Klaus Schulze/Ashra/Christopher Franke CD sets for sale! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 03:17 PM 1/5/98 GMT, you wrote: >** Jonathan Miller spammed >tadream@c... yet again with : > >>I have the following limited-edition CD sets for sale in absolutely perfect >>condition, priced in UK pound sterling. Any interested parties should > >Come on Jonathon! Enough is enough... > >Paul No Kidding! Will one of you rich blokes just buy all this crap so we don't have to read it anymore? Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 7:51 pm Subject: RE: Solo Week 30 - Jan. 5, 1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Hey, I dont have this.....copies/extra copy anyone??? Chris ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Saturday, January 03, 1998 10:42 PM To: tadream@c... Subject: D:Solo Week 30 - Jan. 5, 1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week we would like to hear comments on: Johannes Schmoelling - White Out -------------------------------- Please make subject heading 'D:White Out' when replying. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 12:58 pm Subject: Re: Daddy Alert! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: sisterdana@j... On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 02:41:45 -0800 PENFOLD writes: >199801.04-2256 >(for you Stardate Impaired 04/01/98 @ 10:56PM) >Nathan Berk Isaacson, an early bird by 90 days >1lb 10oz >13inches >Dena's fine yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! another Capricorn! many many happy congrats and stuff, Playa Postman! +*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ luv, Sister Dana the best - bar nun From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 5, 1998 10:43 pm Subject: Dream Roots -disk 5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PERREAULT JOCELYN Hi everyone! I just want to know if someone can do a copy of the disk 5 of the dream roots collection. A reward will be give. Give a answer at fd591858@e... jo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9820 Re: Dream Roots -disk 5 Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 1/6/1998 2 KB 9823 Re: Andrew J. Rozsa response Dream Roots -disk 5 Robert Grabowsky Tue 1/6/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 6, 1998 1:42 am Subject: Re: Dream Roots -disk 5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 05:43 PM 1/5/1998 -0500, jo wrote: >I just want to know if someone can do a copy of the disk 5 of the dream >roots collection. No. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9823 Re: Andrew J. Rozsa response Dream Roots -disk 5 Robert Grabowsky Tue 1/6/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 6, 1998 2:08 am Subject: Shepard's Bush photo needed!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Could someone e-mail me a .JPG file with a shot from the Shepard's Bush Empire concert held on Nov. 30, 1996? I need a nice photo as soon as possible. Thanks in advance, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 6, 1998 3:07 am Subject: '86, '88, '90, '92, '97 live tapes sought ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers, I'm currently seeking some live tapes from the '86, '88, '90, 92, & '97 tours. if you have one or more tapes from these tours and want to arrange a trade, please contact me off list and we'll work out the details thanks MUCH lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 6, 1998 8:39 am Subject: Re:Andrew J. Rozsa response Dream Roots -disk 5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky My Apologies in advance to the list but I think this needs to be public. Andrew, I found your response to the request to be rather RUDE and UNCALLED FOR. In your case I think no response from you would have been appropriate. You have shown no respect for others on this list, by cluttering our mailboxes, not to mention the sender of the request. In the future please decline from this type of response or just send your response directly to the sender and not the list. Robert Grabowsky THE HIGHLANDER >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >At 05:43 PM 1/5/1998 -0500, jo wrote: > >>I just want to know if someone can do a copy of the disk 5 of the dream >>roots collection. > >No. > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 6, 1998 2:23 pm Subject: Re: Andrew J. Rozsa response Dream Roots -disk 5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >> Really-From: Robert Grabowsky >> I found your response to the request to be rather >> RUDE and UNCALLED FOR. > >> >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >At 05:43 PM 1/5/1998 -0500, jo wrote: >> >>I just want to know if someone can do a copy of the disk 5 of the dream >> >>roots collection. >> > >> >No. When I read this, I started laughing. Maybe I'm wrong but I think Andrew was just trying to make a joke. Andrew? lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9825 Re: Andrew J. Rozsa response Dream Roots -disk 5 Francisco Salgado C. Tue 1/6/1998 3 KB 9830 Re: Andrew J. Rozsa response Dream Roots -disk 5 Michael Fox Tue 1/6/1998 3 KB 9834 Re: Andrew J. Rozsa response Dream Roots -disk 5 Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 1/7/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 6, 1998 12:38 pm Subject: Re: Andrew J. Rozsa response Dream Roots -disk 5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: Robert Grabowsky > I found your response to the request to be rather > RUDE and UNCALLED FOR. > >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > > > > >At 05:43 PM 1/5/1998 -0500, jo wrote: > > > >>I just want to know if someone can do a copy of the disk 5 of the dream > >>roots collection. > > > >No. > > Yes, I agree it's rude but we have to make clear this is a public list and we cannot allow it to be used as a place for copyright infringement. ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 6, 1998 4:27 pm Subject: Shepard's Bush Photo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Sorry for the interruption, but no one has responded to my request for a concert photo (or any photo relating) to the Shepard's Bush concert held on 11/30/96. If this is a photo out on the web, please let me know. Thanks, Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9835 Re: Shepard's Bush Photo Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 1/7/1998 3 KB 9842 Re: Shepard's Bush Photo Plumer, Scott Wed 1/7/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 6, 1998 5:36 pm Subject: RE: Andrew J. Rozsa response Dream Roots -disk 5(no TD) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS I agree, I laughed my butt off ! I took it as a joke, let's not get too harsh after just one word response, Chris >> Really-From: Robert Grabowsky >> I found your response to the request to be rather >> RUDE and UNCALLED FOR. > >> >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >At 05:43 PM 1/5/1998 -0500, jo wrote: >> >>I just want to know if someone can do a copy of the disk 5 of the dream >> >>roots collection. >> > >> >No. When I read this, I started laughing. Maybe I'm wrong but I think Andrew was just trying to make a joke. Andrew? lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 6, 1998 6:30 pm Subject: The Keep ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' Greetings, Received The Keep from SMD it's packaging and content is identical to the tour version. Hope some of you ordered in time. I spoke to Dave at SMD and he stated it was released! The mastering and recording quality of the CD is excellent, truely a must have for any TD fan. Neil ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9841 Re: The Keep matt knudson Wed 1/7/1998 3 KB 12298 The Keep Mathew Hargreaves Wed 3/25/1998 4 KB 12302 Re: The Keep Marcel Engels Wed 3/25/1998 3 KB 12317 Re: The Keep Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 3/26/1998 3 KB 12319 Re: The Keep TWeibre361 Thu 3/26/1998 2 KB 12984 The Keep Glenn Reinicke Wed 4/15/1998 2 KB 14617 The Keep Jeff Stevenson Sun 6/14/1998 3 KB 16411 The Keep Shadow Fri 5/14/1999 1 KB 16435 Re: The Keep Steven Le Vine Sat 5/15/1999 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 6, 1998 8:48 pm Subject: Phaedream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC Could somebody please tell me what is on Phaedream? Thanks. Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9831 Re: Phaedream Jose Fernandez Garcia Wed 1/7/1998 3 KB 18122 Phaedream upnsm0ke Tue 9/28/1999 1 KB 24984 Phaedream tom george Sat 11/11/2000 3 KB 24986 Re: Phaedream Marcel Engels Sun 11/12/2000 2 KB 24992 Re: Phaedream tom george Sun 11/12/2000 2 KB 24994 Phaedream Klaus Beschorner Sun 11/12/2000 2 KB 24996 Anyone heard from Edom Yannick (CDR Project) Richard Ford Sun 11/12/2000 2 KB 25026 Repost - Anyone heard from Edom Yannick (CDR Proj Richard Ford Tue 11/14/2000 2 KB 24995 Re: Phaedream tom george Sun 11/12/2000 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 6, 1998 3:53 pm Subject: Re: Andrew J. Rozsa response Dream Roots -disk 5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 09:23 AM 1/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>roots collection. >>> > >>> >No. > >When I read this, I started laughing. Maybe I'm wrong but I think Andrew >was just trying to make a joke. Andrew? >lars I think the same thing. I don't recall Andrew being mean-spirited at any time. He usually has a lot to say in his posts, so I feel he was makin' a funny. Let's not get our pants all in a knot, now. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 6, 1998 10:27 pm Subject: Re: Phaedream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jose Fernandez Garcia At 15:48 6/01/98 EST, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: TangerineC > > >Could somebody please tell me what is on Phaedream? Thanks. Tom > Movements Of A Visionary   12:44 Rubycon (Part 2)   20:08 Mysterious Semblance At The Stand Of Nightmares   15:53 Theme 1: Royal Albert Hall, Londres, UK, 2 Abril 1975 (same concert that The Coefficient Of Aural Expansion 1 & 2, Concentrical Progression (2 CDR's), Ruby In The Sky (2 CDR's) y Absolutely Hipnotized). Theme 2: BBC, Londres, UK, 1975. Theme 3: ? Pepe JOSE FERNANDEZ GARCIA jferna12@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 6, 1998 10:54 pm Subject: Dream Root copy..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PERREAULT JOCELYN > Hi everyone! > > I just want to know if someone can do a copy of the disk 5 of the dream > roots collection. A reward will be give. > > Give a answer at fd591858@e... > > jo > > SORRY, copy music is something forbidden and it's legally incorrect. I will buy the 5 CD's box set. Sorry Edgar ($$) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9839 Re: Dream Root copy..... DJS Wed 1/7/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: CD-R Recordings/Item for Sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' Hello TaDreamers, Are there any traders out there who are willing to do 2:1 using CD-Rs? I am looking to transfer somethings that I have on tape to CD-R, or acquiring things in a swap or 2:1 like a tape trade only this time using CD-R. Please contact me off list. Also I have an extra copy of 220 Volt that is up for bid. Bid must include shipping and handling. Also contact me off list. Thanks, Frank Now Playing-Providence Performing Arts Center 1986 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 7, 1998 12:48 am Subject: Re: Andrew J. Rozsa response Dream Roots -disk 5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:23 AM 1/6/1998 -0500, you wrote: >----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > >>> Really-From: Robert Grabowsky >>> I found your response to the request to be rather >>> RUDE and UNCALLED FOR. >> >>> >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >>> >At 05:43 PM 1/5/1998 -0500, jo wrote: >>> >>I just want to know if someone can do a copy of the disk 5 of the >dream >>> >>roots collection. >>> > >>> >No. > >When I read this, I started laughing. Maybe I'm wrong but I think Andrew >was just trying to make a joke. Andrew? >lars Of course! Amazing, tho', how many folks got bent out of shape. But quite seriously, people (Lars knows better). Please be circumspect when posting articles publicly. There are certain topics that are best whispered privately. If this list is to be extant, we need to maintain appropriate decorum. In appearance, at least. Thanks, Lars. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 7, 1998 1:09 am Subject: Re: Shepard's Bush Photo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 11:27 AM 1/6/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry for the interruption, but no one has responded to my request for a >concert photo (or any photo relating) to the Shepard's Bush concert held on >11/30/96. If this is a photo out on the web, please let me know. > >Thanks, >Vic I spent at least 45 minutes looking for one for you. I could have sworn that some clever person had a whole bunch of them at one time, but I couldn't find a one. Sorry. Maybe someone else's is more skilled or keeps better track of things. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Now Playing-Providence Performing Arts Center 1986 'Stephen, Frank' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: CD-R Recordings/Item for Sale >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 06 Jan 98 16:48:00 PST >Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' > >Now Playing-Providence Performing Arts Center 1986 Groan . . . the original tapes for this CD-R are mine. I lent them to the now not-to-be-found Mark Filipak almost a year ago so that he could choose the best recordings of songs from the two versions to make one super version (*his* idea, not mine), but he hasn't returned the tapes to me yet and I never got a CD-R from the results of what he did with the tapes. I phoned him once, asking for him to return the long KEEP ending that I'd lent him, but it never arrived, so I fear for the status of my Providence tapes. I'm from Providence, and I was in the fifth row at that show (my drunken voice can be heard on one of the tapes), so I'd really hate to lose the 'originals' (one is first gen and the other is second gen). :( Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Space Music, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Tadream, CNI News, P.E.E.R. ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Perspectives, The MUFON UFO ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ Journal, the Nausicaa list, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ and Nutrition News. ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 7, 1998 4:01 am Subject: Re: D:White Out ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Phil PDX I borrowed this from a friend also. I sure would like to have it. Great experimental, minimalist emusic, with unusual sounds. The White Out theme is very effective, I can just picture myself as a sea captain navigating through ice and snow. The only low point is Navigator's Chatter, which sounds like chipmunks lost at sea, IMO. :-) The rest is great. On the ol' Armin scale, 4 out of 5. Phil Derby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: love on a real train ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Steiner > some LOART updates: > - -- does anyone have the Global Communications remix of LOART (12'??) we > might need a good tape of it without dolby for the complete set... can > anyone tell us about it - specifics? times, samples, mixes, etc. > [...] > and remixed by others: > global communications remix of LOART 13 min? Hum, I've never heard of a 12' but I have two CDSingles of LOART called Maiden Voyage (really LOART). Here's the info: global communication - maiden voyage GLOBA 001CD(1) 1. maiden voyage (original 8'07>5'23 version) [5:58] 2. maiden voyage (spiritualized electric mainline mix) [6:50] 3. funk in the fridge global communication - maiden voyage GLOBA 001CD(2) 1. 7'39 (link and e621 appliance of science mix) 2. maiden voyage (grid mix) [8:51] 3. maiden voyage (brook mix) [7:57] On a quick listen, the 'spiritualized electric mainline mix' seems similar to the original with some extra guitar/sax/? noodling on top of it. The 'grid mix' didn't sound much like the original (hardly recognizable) but the 'brook mix' was pretty good. Happy to help the cause if needed. ds Dave Steiner Associate Director of Network Services, Rutgers University Computing Services steiner@b... or steiner@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 7, 1998 9:21 am Subject: Re: Dream Root copy..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: PERREAULT JOCELYN > > > Hi everyone! > > > > I just want to know if someone can do a copy of the disk 5 of the dream > > roots collection. A reward will be give. > > > > Give a answer at fd591858@e... > > > > jo > > > > > > SORRY, copy music is something forbidden and it's legally incorrect. > I will buy the 5 CD's box set. > Sorry Edgar ($$) Super Collector sells the box set for $45. You can reach us at 1-800-99-sci-fi. We also have several other TD items including the tour CD (das Madchen) & several OST's. Regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 7, 1998 8:41 am Subject: Re: Electronic Dreams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > >On Jan 5, 12:05pm, tadream mailing list wrote: >> Subject: Electronic Dreams >> >> Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >> >> >> Happy New Year! >> >> That includes the many French people on the list too. Fred, you're aol.com >> address hid your nationality, as did your good English. Certainly better than >> my French, as Mr. Goudreaux pointed out! > >That's Goudreault, Craig... Sorry, Vincent, I thought there was more than one of you, boom, boom! BTW, apologies for my apparently out-of-place Keep posting. For some reason my mails seem to be very delayed and when I sent that off on Monday I didn't realise that it was actually old news from pre-New Year. Hopefully I'm now back in touch (be interesting to see when I get this message). Congratulations Pete, Dena and Nathan. Hope everyone keeps well. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 7, 1998 12:20 pm Subject: Re: The Keep ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' > > >Greetings, > >Received The Keep from SMD it's packaging and content is identical to >the tour version. Hope some of you ordered in time. I spoke to Dave >at SMD and he stated it was released! >The mastering and recording quality of the CD is excellent, truely a >must have for any TD fan. >Neil > Please tell us all once again how to order THE KEEP on cd. Thanks... - Matt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 7, 1998 1:21 pm Subject: RE: Shepard's Bush Photo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>Sorry for the interruption, but no one has responded to my request for a >>concert photo (or any photo relating) to the Shepard's Bush >concert held on >>11/30/96. If this is a photo out on the web, please let me know. >I spent at least 45 minutes looking for one for you. I could have >sworn that some clever person had a whole bunch of them at one >time, but I couldn't find a one. I thought the web site had some. Is that not true? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 7, 1998 2:04 pm Subject: Optical Limits ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I've come across a very nice CD-R called 'Optical Limits'. The music quality is very good and the CD has color inserts. The inserts state the track titles and running times, but not the venue. It just says 'North American Tour 1988'. Does anyone know the specific show or shows on this? Thanks, Vic P.S. Nobody commented on my mis-spellings in a previous post. Correct spelling for Shepards Bush is 'Shepherds Bush' :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9845 A tidbit of praise for TD Sean Montgomery Wed 1/7/1998 3 KB 9847 Re: Optical Limits Francisco Salgado C. Thu 1/8/1998 3 KB 9849 Re: Optical Limits Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 1/8/1998 3 KB 9851 Re: Optical Limits Lars R. Jones Thu 1/8/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 7, 1998 6:13 pm Subject: TD in the latest Progression ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Rock Relics (http://www.rockrelics.co.uk) has an ad in the latest Progression featuring some TD titles. They are: Dream Roots for UKP39.95; UKP12.95 each for Dream Mixes double CD, Tournado & Oasis. They also have phone numbers for the Web-impaired. E-mail me if you want 'em. There is also a review for my book, plus an ad for it. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 7, 1998 6:18 pm Subject: A tidbit of praise for TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery I was just reading Allstar (http://www.allstarmag.com) Magazine's list of its 5 most disappointing/just plain bad albums of 1997. Coming in at #5 is Daft Punk's 'Homework', and it has this to say: 'Like all of electronica, Daft Punk prospered because of our short and long- term memory lapse. Because we are so hungry for the new, we gave the prosaic single 'Around the World' the exposure pioneers like the Orb, FSOL, Can, and Tangerine Dream deserve.' -Sean Montgomery From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 7, 1998 7:33 pm Subject: little update ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' just a small message not related to TD. I've made a small update on my webpage. It now uses frames (finally) and I've added a few more pics from the concert on 1st november 1997 together with Steve Roach. Check it out (or not) at: http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 18414 little update Marcel Engels Sat 10/16/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 7, 1998 7:57 pm Subject: Re: Optical Limits ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi > Really-From: Vic Rek > P.S. Nobody commented on my mis-spellings in a previous post. > Correct spelling for Shepards Bush is 'Shepherds Bush' :-) What !! wasn't it a joke ?... Hell, I laughed for nothing :-DDD F*cking mispelling ! Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 7, 1998 9:48 pm Subject: Nathan update ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD I've set up the voicemail on my pager to provide another data conduit 626-849-9286 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 7, 1998 11:36 pm Subject: Re: Optical Limits ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:04 AM 1/7/1998 -0500, Vic wrote: > >P.S. Nobody commented on my mis-spellings in a previous post. >Correct spelling for Shepards Bush is 'Shepherds Bush' :-) > Because we love you anyway, no matter how you spell. :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: LOVE IS A REAL PAIN (Proposed Double-CD-R RISKY BUSINESS Set) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Sigh, whoever said that I'm an obsessive type didn't know the half of it, as the following should indicate rather conclusively: (I've run myself ragged trying to fit all this stuff onto to CDs without exceeding the recommended maximum running time of 74 per CD, lemme tell ya!) -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + AMENDED PROPOSED DOUBLE-CD-R RISKY BUSINESS SET IDEA (now entitled 'LOVE IS A REAL PAIN'): -- concocted by Steven Feldman; January 7, 1998 My idea for a 2-CD-R set of every RISKY BUSINESS item committed to vinyl would be to have the entire RISKY BUSINESS AUDIO KIT on one CD, and all the other TD-specific music from vinyl sources (the first pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS LP and the second pressing of RISKY BUSINESS LP, the two TANGENTS remixes, the THREE PHASE live track, the cover tunes on the DREAM MUSIC 2 CD and the Fantasy Merchants CD, and the variant tracks from the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH, MIRACLE MILE, and CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtracks) on the other. The trouble is, there are about 3 minutes' too much stuff for these two CDs if all the long spaces in between the tracks on the Audio Kit are to be preserved. This leaves me with three options: o Remove most of the spaces in between the Audio Kit tracks and put the CATCH ME IF YOU CAN track together with Audio Kit Sides 1-4 on the first CD. o Remove most of the spaces in between the Audio Kit tracks and put the Global Communications remix together with Audio Kit Sides 1, 2 & 4 on the first CD, while relegating Audio Kit Side 3 to the second CD. o Remove the two 'common tracks' from the first pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS soundtrack LP. This last of the three options is a tad tricky since while three (if not four) of the five TD tracks are different, the difference is only blatantly obvious with the first and last of the five, so that finding out which of the other three are indeed different and not the same is somewhat difficult (sort of like comparing the LD tracks from CANYON DREAMS to the CD versions). So, basically, the first version of the proposed 2-CD-R set would have the entire RISKY BUSINESS AUDIO KIT on one CD (along with one track, appropriately titled 'Running Out of Time,' from the MIRACLE MILE sound- track), and all the rest of the TD-specific music from vinyl sources (first pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS LP and second pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS LP)--as well as the two TANGENTS remixes, the THREE PHASE live track, the cover tunes on the DREAM MUSIC 2 CD and Fantasy Merchants CD, the Global Communications remix, and the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH and CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtrack variants--on the other. The second version of the proposed 2-CD-R set would have Audio Kit sides 1, 2 & 4 together with the Global Communications remix on the first CD, and all the rest of the stuff (the music tracks from the Audio Kit, first pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS LP, second pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS LP, the two TANGENTS remixes, the THREE PHASE live track, the DREAM MUSIC 2 CD and Fantasy Merchants CD cover tunes, and the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH, MIRACLE MILE and CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtrack variants) on the other. The specifics of both of these versions are detailed below: _______________________________________________________________________ + - - - - - - - - - - - + | First Version of Idea | + - - - - - - - - - - - + Indexing for . . . FIRST VERSION OF PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK ONE Total running time: 79:10 with spaces between Audio Kit tracks intact ----- AUDIO KIT, SIDE 1 25:00 1. Intro to the Audio Kit 2. Movie Trailer 3. Featurette 1 (TD in the background very briefly) 4. Featurette 2 (TD in the background) 5. Featurette 3 (Jean-Michel Jarre in the background) 6. Featurette 4 (Giorgio Moroder in the background) 7. Featurette 5 (TD in the background) 8. Featurette 6 (Jean-Michel Jarre in the background) 9. Featurette 7 (TD in the background) 10. Featurette 8 (TD in the background) 11. Featurette 9: Chris Franke Interview (TD in the background) 2:30 12. Featurette 10 (TD in the background) AUDIO KIT, SIDE 2 (about 22:43; must flip tape for open-ended #5) 13. News Section 1 14. News Section 2 15. News Section 3 16. News Section 4 17. News Section 5 18. Open-ended Featurette 1 19. Open-ended Featurette 2 20. Open-ended Featurette 3 21. Open-ended Featurette 4 22. Open-ended Featurette 5: Chris Franke 1:45 AUDIO KIT, SIDE 3 12:42 (music runs 11:21--empty space between tracks) 23. Intro to Music Tracks (very brief) 24. Side 3, Track 1: 1:21 25. Side 3, Track 2: 1:46 26. Side 3, Track 3: 3:04 27. Side 3, Track 4: :30 28. Side 3, Track 5: :24 29. Side 3, Track 6: :11 30. Side 3, Track 7: :57 31. Side 3, Track 8: 3:08 Track from the MIRACLE MILE soundtrack (1989) 32. (Track 8:) Running Out of Time 3:30 [similar to LoaRT] AUDIO KIT, SIDE 4 15:15 33. History of Coming-of-Age Flicks The entire kit can fit--resulting in a CD that runs under 74 mins. if all the lengthy spaces in between tracks are shortened. For example, Side 3 (12:42) runs only 11:21 with all the extra space deleted. On average, there are between ten and twenty seconds between tracks. Indexing for . . . FIRST VERSION OF PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK TWO Total running time: 72:04 ----- First Pressing of LP 1. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 2:20 2. (Track 3:) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:55 3. (Track 4:) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:17 4. (Track 5:) Lana 3:52 5. (Track 11:) Love on a Real Train 2:15 Second Pressing of LP 6. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 3:42 7. (Track 3:) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:00 8. (Track 4:) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:18 9. (Track 5:) Lana 3:51 10. (Track 11:) Love on a Real Train 3:58 Tracks from TANGENTS box set, CD #4 (1994) 11. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 3:28 12. (Track 16:) Risky Business [Love on a Real Train] 5:10 Track from the THREE PHASE laserdisk (1993) 13. (Track 8:) Love on a Real Train [live] 3:17 Track by Global Communications (samples from TD's original) 14. Love on a Real Train 13:45 Track from DREAM MUSIC 2 (performed by Mark Ayers) 15. Love on a Real Train 4:28 Track from THE KEEP--THE FILM MUSIC OF TD PERF. BY THE FANTASY MERCHANTS 16. Love on a Real Train 3:28 Tracks from the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH soundtrack (1987) 17. (Track 5:) Go to the Head of the Class 3:03 [similar to LoaRT] 18. (Track 15:) Bonding by Candlelight 1:30 [similar to LoaRT] Track from the CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtrack (1989) 19. (Track 13:) Taking the Test 1:27 [similar to LoaRT] _______________________________________________________________________ + - - - - - - - - - - - + | Second Version of Idea | + - - - - - - - - - - - + Indexing for . . . SECOND VERSION OF PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK ONE Total running time: 76:43 with spaces between Audio Kit tracks intact ----- AUDIO KIT, SIDE 1 25:00 1. Intro to the Audio Kit 2. Movie Trailer 3. Featurette 1 (TD in the background very briefly) 4. Featurette 2 (TD in the background) 5. Featurette 3 (Jean-Michel Jarre in the background) 6. Featurette 4 (Giorgio Moroder in the background) 7. Featurette 5 (TD in the background) 8. Featurette 6 (Jean-Michel Jarre in the background) 9. Featurette 7 (TD in the background) 10. Featurette 8 (TD in the background) 11. Featurette 9: Chris Franke Interview (TD in the background) 2:30 12. Featurette 10 (TD in the background) AUDIO KIT, SIDE 2 (about 22:43; must flip tape for open-ended #5) 13. News Section 1 14. News Section 2 15. News Section 3 16. News Section 4 17. News Section 5 18. Open-ended Featurette 1 19. Open-ended Featurette 2 20. Open-ended Featurette 3 21. Open-ended Featurette 4 22. Open-ended Featurette 5: Chris Franke 1:45 AUDIO KIT, SIDE 3 12:42 (music runs 11:21--empty space between tracks) 23. Intro to Music Tracks (very brief) 24. Side 3, Track 1: 1:21 25. Side 3, Track 2: 1:46 26. Side 3, Track 3: 3:04 27. Side 3, Track 4: :30 28. Side 3, Track 5: :24 29. Side 3, Track 6: :11 30. Side 3, Track 7: :57 31. Side 3, Track 8: 3:08 Track by Global Communications (samples from TD's original) 32. Love on a Real Train 13:45 AUDIO KIT, SIDE 4 15:15 33. History of Coming-of-Age Flicks The entire kit can fit--resulting in a CD that runs under 74 mins. if all the lengthy spaces in between tracks are shortened. For example, Side 3 (12:42) runs only 11:21 with all the extra space deleted. On average, there are between ten and twenty seconds between tracks. Indexing for . . . SECOND VERSION OF PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK TWO (long listing) Total running time: 73:10 ----- First Pressing of LP 1. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 2:20 2. (Track 3:) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:55 3. (Track 4:) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:17 4. (Track 5:) Lana 3:52 5. (Track 11:) Love on a Real Train 2:15 Second Pressing of LP 6. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 3:42 7. (Track 3:) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:00 8. (Track 4:) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:18 9. (Track 5:) Lana 3:51 10. (Track 11:) Love on a Real Train 3:58 Tracks from TANGENTS box set, CD #4 (1994) 11. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 3:28 12. (Track 16:) Risky Business [Love on a Real Train] 5:10 Track from the THREE PHASE laserdisk (1993) 13. (Track 8:) Love on a Real Train [live] 3:17 Track from DREAM MUSIC 2 (performed by Mark Ayers) 14. Love on a Real Train 4:28 Track from THE KEEP--THE FILM MUSIC OF TD PERF. BY THE FANTASY MERCHANTS 15. Love on a Real Train 3:28 Tracks from the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH soundtrack (1987) 16. (Track 5:) Go to the Head of the Class 3:03 [similar to LoaRT] 17. (Track 15:) Bonding by Candlelight 1:30 [similar to LoaRT] Track from the CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtrack (1989) 18. (Track 13:) Taking the Test 1:27 [similar to LoaRT] Track from the MIRACLE MILE soundtrack (1989) 19. (Track 8:) Running Out of Time 3:30 [similar to LoaRT] Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Space Music, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Tadream, CNI News, P.E.E.R. ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Perspectives, The MUFON UFO ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ Journal, the Nausicaa list, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ and Nutrition News. ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9858 Americans better read this.... Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 1/8/1998 3 KB 9866 Re: Americans better read this.... Sean Montgomery Thu 1/8/1998 3 KB 9859 Miramar 'Oasis' cover different from TDI's Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 1/8/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 4:58 am Subject: Re: Optical Limits ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> HI Vic You were asking about Optical Limits, right? yeah, that was the 'boot of the week' about 2 weeks ago. I think you were on vacation then. Sorry you missed it but don't worry you'll have at least 52 more chances this year to pick up something 'rare' ;-) lars (who is actually surprised that *everyone* on this list doesn't have a CDR burner yet...) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 5:02 am Subject: Re: Beyond the Horizon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sturminatr >Really-From: AOutland > I would caution you on subscribing to this magazine. I did so in Oct of >96 (if I had known they were going to go to war with TD, I never would have >since my major reason for subscribing was for news on TD only). I finally >received the first issue in Mar 97, then another in July. Nothing since even >tho I was supposed to receive 4 issues in that year. The cost of $25 for the >year is pretty steep for no more than two thin issues that became very >uncomplimentary of TD. Thank you for reminding me that I need to go write them >a nasty letter. Dell Well, I'm not the editor, but I am sort of the 'official' presence on the list. We're aware of how late everything is (I should be sending out the latest issue within the week), but I would kinda disagree that 32 pages is 'slim'. But you should be happy to know that the $25 you paid is for 4 issues, and not a calendar year. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion on what you think about our coverage of TD, but I believe that our precious mention in the TD web site Q&A section (which was still there last time I checked) is the picture perfect definition of 'uncomplimentary.' But that's just me. I don't have to agree with Edgar to like his music. Also, feel free to write that letter to the magazine. Feedback, whether negative or positive, is always welcome. -B. Kirby Distribution Manager From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 4:58 am Subject: TD videos sought / please help ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers I'm searching for live TD videos in NTSC, PAL, or SECAM -- especially the complete '86 Kansas City - Bonner Springs Amphitheatre show. If you have some video to trade, please e-mail me off list so we can work out the details. thanks lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9855 Re: TD videos sought / please help o Fri 1/9/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 6:23 am Subject: New B5 theme MIDI file available ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Quinney Hello, A NEW midi file is now available from Chris Franke's web site. It is the new season 5 opening theme for Babylon 5. http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/cfmidi.html Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 3:06 pm Subject: Re: TD videos sought / please help ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'o' Dear Lars, I hacve from TD Live Tournado: full concert Live Berlin 1987 : full concert They are both on the PAAL systelm, if you are interested, just let me know. Greetings KVH -----Original Message----- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Date: donderdag 8 januari 1998 6:13 Subject: TD videos sought / please help >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > >Dreamers >I'm searching for live TD videos in NTSC, PAL, or SECAM -- especially the >complete '86 Kansas City - Bonner Springs Amphitheatre show. If you have >some video to trade, please e-mail me off list so we can work out the >details. > >thanks >lars > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 5:36 pm Subject: Risky LOART CDR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Hi gang, I gotta agree Mr. Feldman may be obsessed, but I love reading his obsession's. On the subject of the layout of the Risky CDR I prefer your second version. If public opinion on this subject is high ( and I think it will be) maybe we can hear this puppy in full for once without programing aroung those pesky Seger and Prince tunes. Thanks for the great reading Mr. Feldman! Chris From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 5:32 pm Subject: Optical Limits Source Optical Limits: By P. Haslinger, E. Froese, R. Radephul Tracklist: 1. Mothers Of Rain 4.49 2. After the Call 5.25 3. Interlude 3.54 4. Phaedra '88' 4.25 5. Logos 'Blue Part, 88' 5.50 6. Optical Limits part I 5.53 7. II 7.56 8. III 2.19 9. IV 5.56 note : error on back sleeve : there is no part V 10. Sun Gate 4.35 11. Alexander Square 4.55 note : it is a very special version of AS 12. Drum Solo 1.06 13. House of the rising sun 4.29 14. Ghazal (Final) 4.41 The CDR contains a sleeve on which is printed the logo of optical race (the athlete) among other data (stereo, etc.) NORTH AMERICAN TOUR 1988? I suggest you compare the tracks with Spherical Harmonics, I & II. But you'll not find AS in these boots! It comes from ElseWhere... This CDR has been released in a (very) special edition (only 7) according to the silver marker writing on the back sleeve. Sharp information, isn't it? Fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9861 Re: Optical Limits Source Vic Rek Thu 1/8/1998 3 KB 9875 Re: Optical Limits Source Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Fri 1/9/1998 4 KB 9877 Re: Optical Limits Source Mysterious Semblance At The S Fri 1/9/1998 5 KB 9920 Optical Limits Source FREDERIC YARGUI Sat 1/10/1998 3 KB 9938 Re: Optical Limits Source Vic Rek Sun 1/11/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 7:35 pm Subject: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Since I didn't hear from anyone about Miramar's poster offer, I called them by phone. The offer is still good, for you Roots' owners. If you wanna cut up the box, that is. BUT, by far more importantly (are y'all paying attention??) lookee what I got from their Web site : TANGERINE DREAM U.S. TOUR A Tangerine Dream U.S. tour has just been announced. The details are still pouring in, but this will prove to be an exciting extension to their recently completed European tour. The intial dates are listed below, but check back - more dates may be added! For more information check out The Official Tangerine Dream website. 3/27 New York, NY Irving Plaza 4/1 Los Angeles, CA The Palace 3/28 Washinton D.C. 9:30 Club 4/3 San Francisco, CA Maritime Hall It's either that Miramar is full of beans, the tour is for a different year, TD Official Page is out of kilter with the universe, or all of us are asleep at the switch. Wow, mama! Andrew :-) :-) P.S. This is NOT a hoax. Check the Web page. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9866 Re: Americans better read this.... Sean Montgomery Thu 1/8/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 7:55 pm Subject: Miramar 'Oasis' cover different from TDI's ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Bit of trivial observation.... Looking at Miramar's Web page I note that their cover for 'Oasis' ($15.98) is somewhat different from my Austrian TDI's. The American version has the lightning, but not the cacti. Go figure.... BTW, I am sure that the lady who answers the phone at Miramar is drop-dead gorgeous. I can tell just from her voice. :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 8:16 pm Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >Since I didn't hear from anyone about Miramar's poster offer, I >called them by phone. The offer is still good, for you Roots' >owners. If you wanna cut up the box, that is. I got the poster from Miramar. And it's from The Brick not Dream Roots. BTW, you don't have to cut up the sleeve to get the poster. >TANGERINE DREAM U.S. TOUR > 4/1 > Los Angeles, CA > The Palace OK, I'll go to this show unless they will play in Atlanta. I hope this is no April Fool's joke either ;-) Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9862 Re: Americans better read this.... Plumer, Scott Thu 1/8/1998 3 KB 9863 Re: Americans better read this.... Plumer, Scott Thu 1/8/1998 2 KB 9864 Re: Americans better read this.... TWeibre361 Fri 1/9/1998 2 KB 9867 Re: Americans better read this.... Greg Heil Thu 1/8/1998 3 KB 9869 Re: Americans better read this.... Greg Heil Thu 1/8/1998 2 KB 9872 Re: Americans better read this.... TWeibre361 Fri 1/9/1998 3 KB 9880 Re: Americans better read this.... DJS Fri 1/9/1998 3 KB 9891 Re: Americans better read this.... DJS Fri 1/9/1998 4 KB 9893 Re: Americans better read this.... Plumer, Scott Fri 1/9/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 8:16 pm Subject: Re: Optical Limits Source ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Fred wrote: >Optical Limits: >By P. Haslinger, E. Froese, R. Radephul >Tracklist: >11. Alexander Square 4.55 note : it is a very special version of AS >The CDR contains a sleeve on which is printed the logo of optical race (the athlete) among other data (stereo, etc.) The cover I 'saw' is different. It shows a stadium that's hosting a track and field event (I think). Still has the athlete connection though. >NORTH AMERICAN TOUR 1988? I suggest you compare the tracks with Spherical Harmonics, I & II. >But you'll not find AS in these boots! It comes from ElseWhere... Very interesting. I guess you assume I have Spherical Harmonics I & II? :-) Thanks, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 8:39 pm Subject: RE: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >It's either that Miramar is full of beans, the tour is for a >different year, TD Official Page is out of kilter with the >universe, or all of us are asleep at the switch. The tour they announced of the US, then later cancelled was for the fall - They were scheduled for Cleveland on Nov. 6. I think it was '95 or '96. They better come to Cleveland, unless John Burek wants a house guest! :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 8:44 pm Subject: RE: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > added! For more information check out The Official Tangerine > Dream website. Nothing on the Web page yet. . . Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 9:13 pm Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-08 14:42:13 EST, you write: << 3/27 New York, NY Irving Plaza >> 3/28 Washinton D.C. 9:30 Club clubs? they're gonna play clubs? whats it gonna be, a rave? irving plaza holds maybe 1200 and 9:30 even less...too wierd.... tom w np: africando - gombo salsa From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 9:11 pm Subject: Re: Miramar 'Oasis' cover different from TDI's ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > > Bit of trivial observation.... > > Looking at Miramar's Web page I note that their cover for 'Oasis' > ($15.98) is somewhat different from my Austrian TDI's. The > American version has the lightning, but not the cacti. Go figure.... > Andrew You're right about the cover! I have the Miramar version.. and the reddish, yellow sunset is on the cover, but the purpleish lightening sceen with the cacti is on the back--so it's the best of both worlds. But the wonderful photography is marred by the quite boring fony usage--it seems like they used a font called 'Oasis' to write the album title in.. and 'Miramar' written on the jewel case's edge in see-though plastic is the second biggest word on the front--third being Tangerine Dream. The insert booklet is one page folded to make four sides. The page seen as you open the CD is a zoomed in view of the front page photography with the listed track names. Opeing the page up, you'll find a b/w panoramic view of what's on the back of the CD case. In the inner page is your basic information--very little in fact. Upon taking the CD out, Miramar advertises other artists with their video and audio collections through the see-through plastic.. (the page pressed between the hub and the back jewel case plastic) The CD itself is a yellow-ized image of the cacti and lightening scene with the track names, Miramar info, BMG dis tributors, and the title and artist. Nowhere does it say TDI Productionson the CD, it does say it in the booklet. Thus, the CAT # is 09006-23099-2 Great music though! Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10078 Re: Miramar 'Oasis' cover different from TDI's Keith Gregoire Fri 1/16/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 9:24 pm Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > BUT, by far more importantly (are y'all paying attention??) > lookee what I got from their Web site : When I try to check out this page, I get a 'server does not have a DNS entry' message. The old Miramar site (useattle.uspan.com) isn't reading either. What's goin' on? Also, why is Miramar involved with this...hasn't the band moved on to Castle records? SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 10:06 pm Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > > added! For more information check out The Official Tangerine > > Dream website. > > Nothing on the Web page yet. . . > > Scott Maybe even Stefan is surprised :) I go to the Tadream page everyday.. something like this must have been in the planning for a while--I'm surprised it hasn't made it to the Tadream page--maybe they don't want to get our hopes up to high if things cancel--so it's better to wait until things are definate. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 12:59 am Subject: New TD Video/Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Peter J. Apruzzese' Hi Everybody! Just got this info at work (I work for a US video distributor): 'LUMINOUS VISIONS' from Sony Music Entertainment (VHS cat # LV49484 $19.98, 45 min.) Official notes: >From Japanese computer animation virtuoso Yoichiro Kawaguchi and powered by a hypnotic soundtrack from electronic music pioneers Tangerine Dream, Luminous Visions immerses you in a perception-warping synthesis of organic art and digital imagery! It also says: + The video comes with a FREE, exclusive 12-song CD soundtrack by Tangerine Dream packaged inside THAT WILL NOT BE SOLD SEPARATELY. (emphasis mine) + Video will be played and merchandised during Tanerine Dream's US tour kicking off in March. + From the acclaimed The Mind's Eye series of animated videos STREET DATE IS MARCH 10, 1998 (in the US) To the list: Has anyone ever heard of this project before (I didn't find anything on the TD Official site)? By the way, this is absolutely confirmed information...I have the color sales sheet direct from the Sony Music sales representative in front of me as I type. Sound good! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9871 Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack Steven Feldman Fri 1/9/1998 5 KB 9882 generic tadream mailing list message feldon@p... Fri 1/9/1998 2 KB 9898 Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack Michael Fox Thu 1/8/1998 3 KB 9889 Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack Peter J. Apruzzese Fri 1/9/1998 4 KB 9892 Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack Vincent Goudreault Fri 1/9/1998 3 KB 9894 Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack Peter J. Apruzzese Fri 1/9/1998 4 KB 9895 Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack Vincent Goudreault Fri 1/9/1998 3 KB 9911 IT IS TRUE!!!!!!! Robert Grabowsky Sat 1/10/1998 3 KB 9936 Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack AOutland Sun 1/11/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 10:12 pm Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' On another note, I read that Kraftwerk is coming to tour the US this spring, along with a release of a new album at the same time.. Coincidence with TD? Probably... Is this like the revenge of the German E-Musicians? :o) I like it :) Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: LOVE IS A REAL PAIN Error Found & Corrected ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Gulp. I made a *big* mistake in the Second Version listing. By accident, I listed Side Three of the Audio Kit (the side with the music) as being on the First CD instead of the Second CD. This error has now been corrected, below: ----- Sigh, whoever said that I'm an obsessive type didn't know the half of it, as the following should indicate rather conclusively: (I've run myself ragged trying to fit all this stuff onto to CDs without exceeding the recommended maximum running time of 74 per CD, lemme tell ya!) -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + AMENDED PROPOSED DOUBLE-CD-R RISKY BUSINESS SET IDEA (now entitled 'LOVE IS A REAL PAIN'): -- concocted by Steven Feldman; January 7, 1998 My idea for a 2-CD-R set of every RISKY BUSINESS item committed to vinyl would be to have the entire RISKY BUSINESS AUDIO KIT on one CD, and all the other TD-specific music from vinyl sources (the first pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS LP and the second pressing of RISKY BUSINESS LP, the two TANGENTS remixes, the THREE PHASE live track, the cover tunes on the DREAM MUSIC 2 CD and the Fantasy Merchants CD, and the variant tracks from the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH, MIRACLE MILE, and CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtracks) on the other. The trouble is, there are about 3 minutes' too much stuff for these two CDs if all the long spaces in between the tracks on the Audio Kit are to be preserved. This leaves me with three options: o Remove most of the spaces in between the Audio Kit tracks and put the CATCH ME IF YOU CAN track together with Audio Kit Sides 1-4 on the first CD. o Remove most of the spaces in between the Audio Kit tracks and put the Global Communications remix together with Audio Kit Sides 1, 2 & 4 on the first CD, while relegating Audio Kit Side 3 to the second CD. o Remove the two 'common tracks' from the first pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS soundtrack LP. This last of the three options is a tad tricky since while three (if not four) of the five TD tracks are different, the difference is only blatantly obvious with the first and last of the five, so that finding out which of the other three are indeed different and not the same is somewhat difficult (sort of like comparing the LD tracks from CANYON DREAMS to the CD versions). So, basically, the first version of the proposed 2-CD-R set would have the entire RISKY BUSINESS AUDIO KIT on one CD (along with one track, appropriately titled 'Running Out of Time,' from the MIRACLE MILE sound- track), and all the rest of the TD-specific music from vinyl sources (first pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS LP and second pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS LP)--as well as the two TANGENTS remixes, the THREE PHASE live track, the cover tunes on the DREAM MUSIC 2 CD and Fantasy Merchants CD, the Global Communications remix, and the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH and CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtrack variants--on the other. The second version of the proposed 2-CD-R set would have Audio Kit sides 1, 2 & 4 together with the Global Communications remix on the first CD, and all the rest of the stuff (the music tracks from the Audio Kit, first pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS LP, second pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS LP, the two TANGENTS remixes, the THREE PHASE live track, the DREAM MUSIC 2 CD and Fantasy Merchants CD cover tunes, and the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH, MIRACLE MILE and CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtrack variants) on the other. The specifics of both of these versions are detailed below: _______________________________________________________________________ + - - - - - - - - - - - + | First Version of Idea | + - - - - - - - - - - - + Indexing for . . . FIRST VERSION OF PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK ONE Total running time: 79:10 with spaces between Audio Kit tracks intact ----- AUDIO KIT, SIDE 1 25:00 1. Intro to the Audio Kit 2. Movie Trailer 3. Featurette 1 (TD in the background very briefly) 4. Featurette 2 (TD in the background) 5. Featurette 3 (Jean-Michel Jarre in the background) 6. Featurette 4 (Giorgio Moroder in the background) 7. Featurette 5 (TD in the background) 8. Featurette 6 (Jean-Michel Jarre in the background) 9. Featurette 7 (TD in the background) 10. Featurette 8 (TD in the background) 11. Featurette 9: Chris Franke Interview (TD in the background) 2:30 12. Featurette 10 (TD in the background) AUDIO KIT, SIDE 2 (about 22:43; must flip tape for open-ended #5) 13. News Section 1 14. News Section 2 15. News Section 3 16. News Section 4 17. News Section 5 18. Open-ended Featurette 1 19. Open-ended Featurette 2 20. Open-ended Featurette 3 21. Open-ended Featurette 4 22. Open-ended Featurette 5: Chris Franke 1:45 AUDIO KIT, SIDE 3 12:42 (music runs 11:21--empty space between tracks) 23. Intro to Music Tracks (very brief) 24. Side 3, Track 1: 1:21 25. Side 3, Track 2: 1:46 26. Side 3, Track 3: 3:04 27. Side 3, Track 4: :30 28. Side 3, Track 5: :24 29. Side 3, Track 6: :11 30. Side 3, Track 7: :57 31. Side 3, Track 8: 3:08 Track from the MIRACLE MILE soundtrack (1989) 32. (Track 8:) Running Out of Time 3:30 [similar to LoaRT] AUDIO KIT, SIDE 4 15:15 33. History of Coming-of-Age Flicks The entire kit can fit--resulting in a CD that runs under 74 mins. if all the lengthy spaces in between tracks are shortened. For example, Side 3 (12:42) runs only 11:21 with all the extra space deleted. On average, there are between ten and twenty seconds between tracks. Indexing for . . . FIRST VERSION OF PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK TWO Total running time: 72:04 ----- First Pressing of LP 1. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 2:20 2. (Track 3:) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:55 3. (Track 4:) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:17 4. (Track 5:) Lana 3:52 5. (Track 11:) Love on a Real Train 2:15 Second Pressing of LP 6. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 3:42 7. (Track 3:) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:00 8. (Track 4:) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:18 9. (Track 5:) Lana 3:51 10. (Track 11:) Love on a Real Train 3:58 Tracks from TANGENTS box set, CD #4 (1994) 11. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 3:28 12. (Track 16:) Risky Business [Love on a Real Train] 5:10 Track from the THREE PHASE laserdisk (1993) 13. (Track 8:) Love on a Real Train [live] 3:17 Track by Global Communications (samples from TD's original) 14. Love on a Real Train 13:45 Track from DREAM MUSIC 2 (performed by Mark Ayers) 15. Love on a Real Train 4:28 Track from THE KEEP--THE FILM MUSIC OF TD PERF. BY THE FANTASY MERCHANTS 16. Love on a Real Train 3:28 Tracks from the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH soundtrack (1987) 17. (Track 5:) Go to the Head of the Class 3:03 [similar to LoaRT] 18. (Track 15:) Bonding by Candlelight 1:30 [similar to LoaRT] Track from the CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtrack (1989) 19. (Track 13:) Taking the Test 1:27 [similar to LoaRT] _______________________________________________________________________ + - - - - - - - - - - - + | Second Version of Idea | + - - - - - - - - - - - + Indexing for . . . SECOND VERSION OF PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK ONE Total running time: 76:43 with spaces between Audio Kit tracks intact ----- AUDIO KIT, SIDE 1 25:00 1. Intro to the Audio Kit 2. Movie Trailer 3. Featurette 1 (TD in the background very briefly) 4. Featurette 2 (TD in the background) 5. Featurette 3 (Jean-Michel Jarre in the background) 6. Featurette 4 (Giorgio Moroder in the background) 7. Featurette 5 (TD in the background) 8. Featurette 6 (Jean-Michel Jarre in the background) 9. Featurette 7 (TD in the background) 10. Featurette 8 (TD in the background) 11. Featurette 9: Chris Franke Interview (TD in the background) 2:30 12. Featurette 10 (TD in the background) AUDIO KIT, SIDE 2 (about 22:43; must flip tape for open-ended #5) 13. News Section 1 14. News Section 2 15. News Section 3 16. News Section 4 17. News Section 5 18. Open-ended Featurette 1 19. Open-ended Featurette 2 20. Open-ended Featurette 3 21. Open-ended Featurette 4 22. Open-ended Featurette 5: Chris Franke 1:45 Track by Global Communications (samples from TD's original) 23. Love on a Real Train 13:45 AUDIO KIT, SIDE 4 15:15 24. History of Coming-of-Age Flicks The entire kit can fit--resulting in a CD that runs under 74 mins. if all the lengthy spaces in between tracks are shortened. For example, Side 3 (12:42) runs only 11:21 with all the extra space deleted. On average, there are between ten and twenty seconds between tracks. Indexing for . . . SECOND VERSION OF PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK TWO Total running time: 73:10 ----- AUDIO KIT, SIDE 3 12:42 (music runs 11:21--empty space between tracks) 1. Intro to Music Tracks (very brief) 2. Side 3, Track 1: 1:21 3. Side 3, Track 2: 1:46 4. Side 3, Track 3: 3:04 5. Side 3, Track 4: :30 6. Side 3, Track 5: :24 7. Side 3, Track 6: :11 8. Side 3, Track 7: :57 9. Side 3, Track 8: 3:08 First Pressing of LP 10. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 2:20 11. (Track 3:) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:55 12. (Track 4:) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:17 13. (Track 5:) Lana 3:52 14. (Track 11:) Love on a Real Train 2:15 Second Pressing of LP 15. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 3:42 16. (Track 3:) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:00 17. (Track 4:) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:18 18. (Track 5:) Lana 3:51 19. (Track 11:) Love on a Real Train 3:58 Tracks from TANGENTS box set, CD #4 (1994) 20. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 3:28 21. (Track 16:) Risky Business [Love on a Real Train] 5:10 Track from the THREE PHASE laserdisk (1993) 22. (Track 8:) Love on a Real Train [live] 3:17 Track from DREAM MUSIC 2 (performed by Mark Ayers) 23. Love on a Real Train 4:28 Track from THE KEEP--THE FILM MUSIC OF TD PERF. BY THE FANTASY MERCHANTS 24. Love on a Real Train 3:28 Tracks from the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH soundtrack (1987) 25. (Track 5:) Go to the Head of the Class 3:03 [similar to LoaRT] 26. (Track 15:) Bonding by Candlelight 1:30 [similar to LoaRT] Track from the CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtrack (1989) 27. (Track 13:) Taking the Test 1:27 [similar to LoaRT] Track from the MIRACLE MILE soundtrack (1989) 28. (Track 8:) Running Out of Time 3:30 [similar to LoaRT] Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Space Music, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Tadream, CNI News, P.E.E.R. ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Perspectives, The MUFON UFO ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ Journal, the Nausicaa list, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ and Nutrition News. ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: New TD Video/Soundtrack >Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 16:59:11 -0800 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'Peter J. Apruzzese' > >'LUMINOUS VISIONS' from Sony Music Entertainment (VHS cat # LV49484 >$19.98, 45 min.) [. . .] >+ The video comes with a FREE, exclusive 12-song CD soundtrack by >Tangerine Dream packaged inside THAT WILL NOT BE SOLD SEPARATELY. >(emphasis mine) Hmmm, this prompts me to ask how the video is packaged, then, since your run-of-the mill open-bottom snug cardboard video box has no room for a CD. Will it be packaged in one of those oversized boxes used for porno video releases, or will it come in a special box with a digipak- type hub built in (as was done with the long-box-type first issue of the RUMPELSTILTSKIN CD), or will it merely be sealed under the shrinkwrap, on top of the CD box (like the freebie CDs that come with some music magazines)? I fear that the last scenario is the most likely. :( There is a specially packaged release from the band The Cult, called LIVE AT THE LYCEUM, which is an irregularly-shaped plastic box with a molded pit for a video on the left and a molded pit for a CD on the right. Maybe if we click our shoes together and pray real hard, this will be the way the TD release will be, too. ;) >+ Video will be played and merchandised during Tanerine Dream's US tour >kicking off in March. Errr, does this mean that -- as was the case with OASIS -- tracks from the video/CD will be played live at the gigs . . . or does it mean that the music from the video will replace the Ambient Monkeys-type stuff for the American tour? >+ From the acclaimed The Mind's Eye series of animated videos I'm unfamiliar with this series. What are the names/artists on some of the other videos in the series? >Has anyone ever heard of this project before (I didn't find anything on >the TD Official site)? [. . .] I'm not sure. The 45 minute thingee done for Japanese HD-TV, called MANDELA, was one long track, I thought. Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Space Music, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Tadream, CNI News, P.E.E.R. ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Perspectives, The MUFON UFO ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ Journal, the Nausicaa list, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ and Nutrition News. ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9882 generic tadream mailing list message feldon@p... Fri 1/9/1998 2 KB 9898 Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack Michael Fox Thu 1/8/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 1:59 am Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-08 17:21:45 EST, you write: << I read that Kraftwerk is coming to tour the US this spring, along with a release of a new album at the same time.. Coincidence with TD? Probably... Is this like the revenge of the German E-Musicians? >> latest info from the kw list is that the 'new' kw album will not be released till end of 98...however, there is some scuttlebutt that they are doing some uk shows under the moniker 'machines'....but then again, who the hell knows....td at irving plaza, nyc...i still cant even begin to imagine that...for those of u non-nycers, think a movie theater w/o the seats and a balcony.... tom w np: b.a.d. - irving plaza 86 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 2:40 am Subject: Who Tadream? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Out of curiosity I submitted a 'Who tadream' request to majordomo server and I got back about 200 e-mail addresses. I did not ask for the digest. So it seems like the membership has not changed much over the last year. Some 'famous' addresses are missing, but there are many getting our messages that I NEVER hear from. Maybe you lurkers should introduce yourselves once in a while and tell us why you are here? V~ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9874 Re: Who Tadream? SRiser3600 Fri 1/9/1998 2 KB 9876 Re: Who Tadream? Mysterious Semblance At The S Fri 1/9/1998 3 KB 9879 Re: Who Tadream? DJS Fri 1/9/1998 3 KB 9887 Re: Who Tadream? SRiser3600 Fri 1/9/1998 3 KB 9888 Re: Who Tadream? Peter J. Apruzzese Fri 1/9/1998 3 KB 9921 Re: Who Tadream? Hanson Family Sat 1/10/1998 6 KB 9924 Re: Who Tadream? =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carlos_A_Mart= Sat 1/10/1998 3 KB 9927 Re: Who Tadream? Phil PDX Sun 1/11/1998 2 KB 9928 Re: Who Tadream? Aured Azhallein Rancuel Fri 1/9/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 2:54 am Subject: Re: Who Tadream? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: SRiser3600 Hi im Steve in Atlanta tdream fan since 73 miss the old Phadra Rubycon days I hope they take the time to come to Atlanta on next tour and dont pass us by AGAIN!! Bye Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 9:49 am Subject: Re: Optical Limits Source ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Optical Limits: >By P. Haslinger, E. Froese, R. Radephul >Tracklist: >1. Mothers Of Rain 4.49 >2. After the Call 5.25 >3. Interlude 3.54 >4. Phaedra '88' 4.25 >5. Logos 'Blue Part, 88' 5.50 >6. Optical Limits part I 5.53 >7. II 7.56 >8. III 2.19 >9. IV 5.56 note : error on back sleeve : there is no part V >10. Sun Gate 4.35 >11. Alexander Square 4.55 note : it is a very special version of AS >12. Drum Solo 1.06 >13. House of the rising sun 4.29 >14. Ghazal (Final) 4.41 The above track listing is very similar to the Sounds and Effects CD. Is it better quality. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 8:48 am Subject: Re: Who Tadream? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Mysterious Semblance At The Strand Of Nightmares' :Maybe you lurkers should introduce yourselves once in a :while and tell us why you are here? i'm here because i think Tangerine Dream is pretty col & stuff, and once bought an Arp String Ensemble from Paul Haslinger/Assembly Room : - ) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 8:54 am Subject: Re: Optical Limits Source ..Phuck!!! ...where can a fartknocker like me get ahold of this? I love Optical Race, and would love to hear this twofold... love, love love, it's all you need asdfnsegf;oiy[wt9shsdfhwe09yhwef From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 7:18 am Subject: baby tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> long ago and far far away I brought up the subject of 'baby tapes' in utero. Without reoping that tangential discussion, I did promise to give out the track list on the one I finally made up. (c100) A: Silver Scale Ricochet parts I-II B: Waterbourne Flashflood Ride on the Ray Firetongues Two Bunch Palms 220 Volt Live Backstreet Hero Hamlet We've been playing it for about 3 months now and lately the baby seems really to be getting into it. The baby seems to 'prefer' side B and my wife says she thinks he/she is 'dancing' on the inside when she plays this side of the tape. Silver Scale gets a good reaction but then the baby really seems to calm down for Ricochet... lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9881 baby tapes Lars R. Jones Fri 1/9/1998 3 KB 9883 Re: baby tapes Francisco Salgado C. Fri 1/9/1998 3 KB 9909 Re: baby tapes Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 1/10/1998 3 KB 9885 Re: baby tapes Colin Knowles Fri 1/9/1998 3 KB 9886 Re: baby tapes Vincent Goudreault Fri 1/9/1998 3 KB 9890 Re: baby tapes Lars R. Jones Fri 1/9/1998 4 KB 9896 Re: baby tapes Plumer, Scott Fri 1/9/1998 3 KB 9912 Re: baby tapes Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 1/10/1998 3 KB 9914 Re: baby tapes Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 1/10/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 7:27 am Subject: Re: Who Tadream? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Vic Rek > > Out of curiosity I submitted a 'Who tadream' request to majordomo server and > I got back about 200 e-mail addresses. I did not ask for the digest. So it > seems like the membership has not changed much over the last year. Some > 'famous' addresses are missing, but there are many getting our messages that > I NEVER hear from. Maybe you lurkers should introduce yourselves once in a > while and tell us why you are here? > > V~ Out of curiousity, who are these 'famous' people? Klaus? Edgar? RALF!?!?!? Ralf oh Ralf where are you oh Ralf!? Captain Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 7:09 am Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Vic Rek > > >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >Since I didn't hear from anyone about Miramar's poster offer, I > >called them by phone. The offer is still good, for you Roots' > >owners. If you wanna cut up the box, that is. > > I got the poster from Miramar. And it's from The Brick not Dream Roots. > BTW, you don't have to cut up the sleeve to get the poster. > > >TANGERINE DREAM U.S. TOUR > > 4/1 > > Los Angeles, CA > > The Palace > > OK, I'll go to this show unless they will play in Atlanta. > I hope this is no April Fool's joke either ;-) > > Vic Hey Vic, if you go I'll see you there dude! I probably won't enjoy the selection of tunes (it's common knowledge that I dislike the 'Mirimar era')...but I'll see you there! Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 2:29 pm Subject: baby tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I sent this last night but for some reason it couldn't be delivered... long ago and far far away I brought up the subject of 'baby tapes' in utero. Without reoping that tangential discussion, I did promise to give= out the track list on the one I finally made up. = (c100) A: Silver Scale Ricochet parts I-II B: Waterbourne Flashflood Ride on the Ray Firetongues Two Bunch Palms 220 Volt Live Backstreet Hero Hamlet We've been playing it for about 3 months now and lately the baby seems really to be getting into it. The baby seems to 'prefer' side B and my wife says she thinks he/she is 'dancing' on the inside when she plays this side of the tape. Silver Scale gets a good reaction but then the baby really seems to calm down for Ricochet... lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 2:36 pm Subject: generic tadream mailing list message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... MP3 page is online. Private e-mail me for details. feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 2:46 pm Subject: Re: baby tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Tadream wrote: ------> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > We've been playing it for about 3 months now and lately the baby seems > really to be getting into it. The baby seems to 'prefer' side B and my > wife says she thinks he/she is 'dancing' on the inside when she plays this > side of the tape. Silver Scale gets a good reaction but then the baby > really seems to calm down for Ricochet... I think low frequencies are better heard inside and is a more powerful stimuli than treble, so if Ricochet is weaker in bass content compared to Silver Scale this could be be the reason for the different behavior. Nevertheless, about this subject, years ago I've bought a book called super intelligence, where the authors said certain music ( specially the 'largo' sections of baroque works) opened the 'doors' of our mind, so languages, mathematics, chess etc. could be learned almost without effort, also with the help of relaxation and meditation. A I saw in Scientific American publicity of a german and spanish curse using those musics as background music to help memorize sentences and vocabulary. ---Francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9909 Re: baby tapes Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 1/10/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 1:53 pm Subject: Review of new Klaus Schulze: DOSBURG ONLINE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: BEUTHET@w... There have recently been some requests for a review of the new Klaus Schulze solo release: Dosburg Online, so here's my contribution! For other would-be reviewers, please note the detailed discographical information at the bottom. I really wish more people would do this when they review an album, because: 1) It makes it much easier for others to try and obtain the release, and 2) For people who are compiling deatiled discographies, it also makes their jobs much easier! (And believe me, there are a few people who look specifically for this type of information on the various list servers.) For those of you on various list servers, please excuse the cross-post! This review was sent to the tadream, space-music and ambient lists. If think it also belongs somewhere else, please don't hesitate to send a copy of it anywhere you like! Soon to follow: a brief review of the latest Wahnfried release: Drums 'n' Balls (the Gancha Dub) ====================================================================== Review Klaus Schulze: Dosburg Online It's not always easy to describe the work of Klaus Schulze. How does one describe the latest solo work of a musician that has run the gamut from way-out experimental electronic to classical to OPERA in his 25 (productive!) years? Perhaps it's reasonable to say that there's a bit of everything mixed into this particular release. Those who don't really get into the concept of opera should be aware of the fact that two tracks on this release contain operatic singing. The quality of the singing is very good in my opinion. Not stratospheric, but a clean, smooth delivery which meshes well with the music. The English lyrics are clear and precise, but the free-form content is not exactly my style however. But hey, like so many other KS releases, if you don't like the two singing cuts, just skip over them. They only account for a small minority of the total time of the album after all. Although the rest of the cuts do suffer from some rather choppy fades and the and don't 'mesh' as perfectly (in terms of the mood they create) as they do on some KS releases, there are some things on here that are great! In particular, track 8, in spite of the proported simplicity of its sequences, it is a sure fire track for true-blue KS fans, and will also appeal to anyone from the dance or ambient scene. Warning though, you will definitely need a playback system with a significant capability in the bass region to appreciate this cut properly. Make sure you clear it with your neighbours beforehand though... And overtop of it all of course are the big FAT washes of synth cords and solo ditties we have come to associate with KS. Insert, turn up, and take off! To heck with the landlord. It's all there, and well worth the price of admission. Personally, I also like the 'largo' nature of track 7. The stratospheric solo moog in-concert musings of KS in a spontaneous concert situation are also very nice as well, particulary due to the fact that once stated, they stand, and have not been re-touched or cut and edited. It gives them a raw edge not found anymore on recordings by artists who lean too heavily on what MIDI can provide. Oh yes, and speaking of 'raw edge' I recall some relatively recent statements by certain KS detractors that mentioned something about the fact KS doesn't really need to be up on stage at all anymore anyway. Just press a few buttons and away we go... Fooey! (not to say 'hooey'!) If it were this easy to be KS on stage then how come everyone's not doing it and producing masses great-sounding KS-soundalike music? Answer: because they CAN'T. If you only knew... Flame away, but this is an age-old argument that goes back to the beginning of the electronic music era, and was decisively refuted by KS in concert one fine day. 'Hey! He's not playing at all. He's just sitting there twiddeling a few knobs and playing the whole things back from a tape recorder.' In order to demonstrate, he started playing a normal piece, and just walked out in the middle of it. You can well imagine what happened! I'll bet you nickles to dollars exactly the same thing would happen all over again today if he tried it again. Some people just never learn I guess. KS pushes his equipment to the farthest limit it can go, and often beyond. And that ain't whistlin' Dixie considering the 25 years of poking and prodding and turning on of 'on' switches and waiting for the concert to end he's had the chance to do, if you get my drift. Note for those hard of hearing: :-) and ;-) everywhere please. No need to start another endless debate. (Besides, I KNOW I'm right! ;-) Better keep it short here before I completely lose everyone here with my geeky KS fan ranting! In summary: If you get the chance to give this album a try, I don't think you'll be disappointed. Culinary recommendation: Goes well with a Swedish Smörgåsbord! (rich, and plenty of variety). ========================================================================= Data: KLAUS SCHULZE: DOSBURG ONLINE Distribution: WEA/Eye of the Storm Catalogue Number: 3984 20656-2 1) L'age c'ore (11:50) 2) Requiem fürs Revier (15:01) 3) Groove 'n' Bass (6:16) 4) Get Sequenced (3:28) 5) The Power of the Moog (4:47) 6) Up, up and away (8:21) 7) From Dawn 'till Dusk (4:01) 8) The Art of Sequencing (18:21) 9) Prima Vera (7:25) Artists (according to liner notes) Klaus Schulze: Keys, Drummachines & SQ's (all tracks) Jörg Schaaf: Keys, Rave-o-lution & SQ's (track 7,8,9) Roelf Oestwoud: Vocals (track 2,9) All titles conceived, composed & played by Klaus Schulze Lyrics by Lorraine Oestwoud Mastered .ham. Audio, Peter Harenberg Harddisc Editing by: Werner Eggert Cover Produced @ Anzilotti & Münzing Productions Art Direction & Design Alexandra Jugovic Photographies: Portraits by Gaby Gerster From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 3:03 pm Subject: Re: baby tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > wife says she thinks he/she is 'dancing' on the inside when she plays this 'he/she'? Can't you tell? ;-)) Glad to see someone with some muscial taste-let us know if you ever discover the baby's sex..(*joke!*) Colin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 3:11 pm Subject: Re: baby tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jan 9, 2:18am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: baby tapes > > [ text/plain > Encoded with 'quoted-printable' ] : > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > (...) > side of the tape. Silver Scale gets a good reaction but then the baby > really seems to calm down for Ricochet... I'm not really surprised: 'Ricochet' is what I play when I want to put myself to sleep. Ricochet Part II is the track that I play most often and hear the least (except perhaps subliminally) as I usually doze off before the 'doo- DOO- doo- DOO' bit... C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 3:54 pm Subject: RE: Who Tadream? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Poulton, Larry' Hi Steve. I'm Larry from England, fan since Stratosfear (1976 for all those too young to know!) Enjoyed the early years, persevered thru the middle and have found new joy in the Dream Mix era. They keep sellin em', I keep buying em'!! Read all this stuff every day....keep it up! -----Original Message----- From: tadream@c... [mailto:tadream@c...] Sent: 09 January 1998 02:54 To: tadream@c... Subject: Re: Who Tadream? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Really-From: SRiser3600 Hi im Steve in Atlanta tdream fan since 73 miss the old Phadra Rubycon days I hope they take the time to come to Atlanta on next tour and dont pass us by AGAIN!! Bye Steve _____________________________________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments have been virus scanned at the Norton Rose gateway and found to be free of all known viruses. _____________________________________________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 7:01 pm Subject: Re: Who Tadream? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Peter J. Apruzzese' tadream mailing list wrote: > Maybe you lurkers should introduce yourselves once in a > while and tell us why you are here? > > V~ I've been a TD fan for 16+ years (since I saw the movie Thief theatrically). I recently subscribed to the list to see if there's any news of an upcoming US tour (which, apparently, there is) or information about new releases (The Keep, Ambient Monkeys, etc.). I work for a US video distributor, so I can try to keep the group advised of any new releases in that format. Regards, Peter Apruzzese From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 6:39 pm Subject: Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Peter J. Apruzzese' tadream mailing list wrote: The photo of the pacakge shows the 2-pack to look like: Picture a cardboard sleeve as tall as a regular VHS tape and as wide as a CD jewel case (spine to the left) and as thick as the two items stacked together (about 1.5 inches). The sleeve has both the VHS and the CD inside of it. There's an opening cut in the front of the sleeve for the face of the CD to show thru, while above that opening is the copy for the set 'The Mind's Eye presents LUMINOUS VISIONS full-length home video plus FREE CD Soundtrack limited edition not sold separately)'. If anyone wants, I'll e-mail them privately a small scan of the packaging. Just send a private note to starvid3@c... and I'll send along a 92K tif file as a reply. tadream mailing list also wrote: It's a series of computer animation videos 'The Mind's Eye' 'Beyond the Mind's Eye' 'Gate to the Minds Eye', etc., that are distributed by Miramar. They're interesting enough, and they've had scores by the likes of Jan Hammer, Thomas Dolby, et al. Now, it appears the producers have trademarked the name 'Mind's Eye', moved to Sony Music Distribution and are going to be releasing a series of new titles, of which Luminous Visions is the first. BTW, there is a little bit of info on the TD Official Site, it's in the 1997 News Archive section. I couldn't find it yesterday. (Thanks to Jeffrey Au-Yeung for pointing it out to me). Regards, Peter Apruzzese PS: I've got a call in to our Sony rep, I'm hoping to get an advance screener/CD of the set. I'll let you folks know if I'm successful! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 4:06 pm Subject: RE: baby tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Lars, You kill me! =+) To think of the picture of the baby groovin to ol TD justs makes my day! The kid seems to prefer Jerome -era TD just like us younger members! I think all on this list should vow to do the same if we ever have little ones of our own. My lady may not care for em, but my kid sure will! LOL! Chris ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 2:18 AM To: tadream@c... Subject: baby tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> long ago and far far away I brought up the subject of 'baby tapes' in utero. Without reoping that tangential discussion, I did promise to give out the track list on the one I finally made up. (c100) A: Silver Scale Ricochet parts I-II B: Waterbourne Flashflood Ride on the Ray Firetongues Two Bunch Palms 220 Volt Live Backstreet Hero Hamlet We've been playing it for about 3 months now and lately the baby seems really to be getting into it. The baby seems to 'prefer' side B and my wife says she thinks he/she is 'dancing' on the inside when she plays this side of the tape. Silver Scale gets a good reaction but then the baby really seems to calm down for Ricochet... lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 4:07 pm Subject: RE: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Atlanta's not tooo far for me , I'll go if they come. But you guy's gotta get me a ticket, cuz I'm over here in MIchigan! Chris ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 2:09 AM To: tadream@c... Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Vic Rek > > >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >Since I didn't hear from anyone about Miramar's poster offer, I > >called them by phone. The offer is still good, for you Roots' > >owners. If you wanna cut up the box, that is. > > I got the poster from Miramar. And it's from The Brick not Dream Roots. > BTW, you don't have to cut up the sleeve to get the poster. > > >TANGERINE DREAM U.S. TOUR > > 4/1 > > Los Angeles, CA > > The Palace > > OK, I'll go to this show unless they will play in Atlanta. > I hope this is no April Fool's joke either ;-) > > Vic Hey Vic, if you go I'll see you there dude! I probably won't enjoy the selection of tunes (it's common knowledge that I dislike the 'Mirimar era')...but I'll see you there! Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 4:28 pm Subject: Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jan 9, 10:39am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack > Really-From: 'Peter J. Apruzzese' > > (...) > > Regards, > Peter Apruzzese > > PS: I've got a call in to our Sony rep, I'm hoping to get an advance > screener/CD of the set. I'll let you folks know if I'm successful! > By all means, Peter. If you could also provide us 'web challenged' folks with an email address of a distributer so that we can order it, that would be just perfect. Regards C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 4:55 pm Subject: RE: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Atlanta's not tooo far for me , I'll go if they come. But you guy's gotta get me a ticket, cuz I'm over >here in MIchigan! >Chris I would think DC'd be closer. That's where I was planning on going if they didn't come to Cleveland. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 8:03 pm Subject: Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Peter J. Apruzzese' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > On Jan 9, 10:39am, tadream mailing list wrote: > > Subject: Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack > > Really-From: 'Peter J. Apruzzese' > > > > > (...) > > > > Regards, > > Peter Apruzzese > > > > PS: I've got a call in to our Sony rep, I'm hoping to get an advance > > screener/CD of the set. I'll let you folks know if I'm successful! > > > > By all means, Peter. If you could also provide us 'web challenged' folks > with an email address of a distributer so that we can order it, that would be > just perfect. > > Regards > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > online since early 93, TD fan since 77 > first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet It's a brand new announcement, retailers and distributors may not have any information on it yet! It should be available to order soon at any major retailer (Suncoast, Musicland, etc.). It's from Sony Music Distribution, catalog #LV49484 (ISBN# 1-57330-696-7), $19.98 SRP (US), street date 3/10/98. You could also check into Reel.com They're a relatively new presence on the web for video, but according to their site, they also take orders via phone/fax/e-mail. Try e-mailing customerservice@r... or call 510.704.1775 (Monday-Friday, 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. PST). If you preorder it, you should get it on street day (no, I don't work for them! ) Regards, Peter Apruzzese From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 5:42 pm Subject: Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Many thanks, Peter! C.B.V.Goudreault From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 6:38 pm Subject: RE: baby tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > You kill me! =+) To think of the picture of the baby groovin to ol TD justs makes my day! The >kid seems to prefer Jerome -era TD just like us younger members! I think all on this list should vow >to do the same if we ever have little ones of our own. My lady may not care for em, but my kid >sure will! LOL! I did it, too, and I also made sure that the first music he heard once he got out was TD. Warsaw '97 fan tape, to be precise. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 6:43 pm Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-01-09 11:56:56 EST, you write: << ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Atlanta's not tooo far for me , I'll go if they come. But you guy's gotta get me a ticket, cuz I'm over >here in MIchigan! >Chris I would think DC'd be closer. That's where I was planning on going if they didn't come to Cleveland. Scott >> However, let's pray for Atlanta 'cause I'm all the way down south here in Florida. Why not Miami? 8-) Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9910 Re: Americans better read this.... Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 1/10/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 8, 1998 1:51 pm Subject: Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 05:48 PM 1/8/98 EST, you wrote: > >>+ From the acclaimed The Mind's Eye series of animated videos > > I'm unfamiliar with this series. What are the names/artists on >some of the other videos in the series? I have the first two. They are computer generated anime--the first is musically, pretty much a bore I thought. The second was done by Jan Hammer and is much better, both musically and visually. Should be found easily at rental stores. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 7:15 pm Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-09 13:49:03 EST, you write: << However, let's pray for Atlanta 'cause I'm all the way down south here in Florida. Why not Miami? 8-) Dell >> pan am has flights to nyc for $ 99....reserve now.... tom w np: jah wobble - psalms From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 7:01 pm Subject: Review of Wahnfried: Drums 'n' Balls ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: BEUTHET@w... As promised, here's a review of the latest Wahnfried release! (Again, note the detailed information at the bottom! Hint! Hint! ;-) For those of you on various list servers, please excuse the cross-post! This review was sent to the tadream, space-music and ambient lists. If think it also belongs somewhere else, please don't hesitate to send a copy of it anywhere you like! ====================================================================== Review of Wanhfried: Drums 'n' Balls (the Gancha Dub) How many synonyms for 'forward human ambulatory motion' are there? I think I came up with close to a hundred on my own at one time when I thought about it for a while. Walk, run, trot, hop, gambole, pace, strut, amble, stroll, wander, meander, saunter, mosey... WUP! That's the one! This is perhaps the word which could come closest to describing what's going on in Klaus Schulze's latest Wahnfried collaborative effort. Unlike the previous two Wahnfrieds which have have been very 'in-your-face' with hard rhythmic (deep!) bass lines, exercising your stereo to the farthest limits at times, this release is very much more subtle. The rhythm is still there but it's slower, gentler, even pastoral at times, showing off the artistic talents of the co-workers. Klaus 'Richard Wahnfried' Schulze does his best to make the mix balanced, and allow the ideas of the others to come to the fore. Somehow the whole thing just 'clicks' together very well, making it an album which can be listened to over and over again without tiring the ears. Technically, this album cannot be faulted. Klaus has been at work in his own studio for some time now, and the fact that he doesn't have to make way for someone else at the mixing board tomorrow night allows him to set up things so they work together well. He has great equipment at his disposal, and he knows how to use it. The result is a 'transparency' which is not often heard in mordern recordings. A very 'nice' album to listen to, artistically, as well technically. Not a sweaty session on the dance floor or a 100 m dash, but rather a nice walk in an autumn wood instead. Culinary recommendation: Goes well with a small glass of expensive cognac (mellow!) ========================================================================= Data: WAHNFRIED: DRUMS 'N' BALLS (THE GANCHA DUB) Distribution: PolyGram/Metronome Catalogue Number: 539653-2 1) Drums 'n' Balls (15:29) 2) Percussy (12:21) 3) House of India (15:24) 3) Bass of Orion (13:44) Artists (according to the liner notes): Joe 'Dum Dum' Loevenstone (ritual percussion) Sloto Olatunye (sirophone, melomanica, bubble drum) Tim Bales (was there...) Katerina Nevaseynewa (singing voice) (great name!) Venus 'Fretless' Dupond (bass) Richard Wahnfried (keys, computer, recording, mix) Conceived & Produced: Klaus Schulze Wahnfried: The house that Rich built. (And it still says so!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: The Mind's Eye video series ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack >Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:51:39 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Michael Fox > >>>+ From the acclaimed The Mind's Eye series of animated videos >> >> I'm unfamiliar with this series. What are the names/artists on >>some of the other videos in the series? > >I have the first two. They are computer generated anime--the first is >musically, pretty much a bore I thought. The second was done by Jan >Hammer and is much better, both musically and visually. [. . .] Oh; *that* series. I have the first two, as well. That leads me to ask, then . . . are all the images CGI computer animation like in those other two videos (THE MIND'S EYE and BEYOND THE MIND'S EYE)? I guess it was because this series was being continued by Sony than Miramar that threw me off. -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, 1960. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9913 Re: The Mind's Eye video series Craig Rich Sat 1/10/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 9:09 pm Subject: TD US Tour ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' A check of Ticketmaster's and Pollstar's Web sites revealed no information. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 27632 Re: TD US Tour Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 7/10/2001 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 10:43 pm Subject: RE: Americans better...NO TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS I may just pull a Grateful Dead on this one, I want to go to all of em! Chris ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 11:55 AM To: tadream@c... Subject: RE: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Atlanta's not tooo far for me , I'll go if they come. But you guy's gotta get me a ticket, cuz I'm over >here in MIchigan! >Chris I would think DC'd be closer. That's where I was planning on going if they didn't come to Cleveland. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9905 Tour? TOUR? Sean Montgomery Fri 1/9/1998 3 KB 9906 oh, crap Sean Montgomery Fri 1/9/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 11:10 pm Subject: SV: generic tadream mailing list message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Kim Pedersen' Could you give some details on this. Kim Pedersen ---------- > Fra: tadream mailing list > Til: tadream@c... > Emne: generic tadream mailing list message > Dato: 9. januar 1998 15:36 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Really-From: feldon@p... > > > MP3 page is online. Private e-mail me for details. > > feldon@p... > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9925 Re: SV: generic tadream mailing list message feldon@p... Sat 1/10/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 11:02 pm Subject: Tour? TOUR? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery Here everyone is practically booking their flights already, and we have yet to confirm whether this tour is happening! I still can't get the Miramar page to load...is the url www.miramarupx.com correct? Why does the official page have nothing to say on the matter? SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 11:03 pm Subject: oh, crap ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery Ah, I see. The url is miramarUPX. Capitalization counts! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 12:02 am Subject: Digest required... :-( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm For some reason I didn't receive digest from 09/01/1998 (157 I think). Would one of you kind chaps or chapesses please mail it to me. Thanks in advance, Lawry. PS. Whilst I'm at it... I asked this question a couple of weeks ago, but it wasn't answered... so here goes again.... Does anyone know where the last 3 years digests are stored... if at all? They don't seem to be on the ftp site. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 1:23 am Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Keith Richie' -----Original Message----- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 1:47 PM Subject: RE: Americans better read this.... >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >It's either that Miramar is full of beans, the tour is for a > >different year, TD Official Page is out of kilter with the > >universe, or all of us are asleep at the switch. > > The tour they announced of the US, then later cancelled was for >the fall - They were scheduled for Cleveland on Nov. 6. I think it was >'95 or '96. They better come to Cleveland, unless John Burek wants a >house guest! :-) > > Scott > Actually, I hope they come to the DFW/TExas area again. I've fortunate to see them in concert in '88 for the first time, and a neat '98 ten years later tour would be great BTW, anyone know if they've visited Texas since '88? Keith A. Richie krichie@w... http://www.netpath.com/~krichie (The Coffee Shop) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 3:51 am Subject: Re: baby tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 02:46 PM 1/9/1998 +0000, Francisco wrote: >Nevertheless, about this subject, years ago I've bought a book called >super intelligence, where the authors said certain music ( specially the >'largo' sections of baroque works) opened the 'doors' of our mind, so >languages, mathematics, chess etc. could be learned almost without >effort, also with the help of relaxation and meditation. > >A I saw in Scientific American publicity of a german and spanish curse >using those musics as background music to help memorize sentences and >vocabulary. I am sure you are referring to Sheila Ostrander's 'Superlearning.' I have used some of the ideas from it quite successfully both for learning and peak performance with athletes. Lately, with patients who suffer with chronic pain. The LARGO tempo really enhances the mind and the body. There is a new edition called 'Superlearning 2000,' published last year (1997). It would be interesting to see what other music is being recommended, in addition to Vivaldi, Bach, et al. Any guesses, anyone? :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 4:50 am Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 01:43 PM 1/9/1998 EST, Dell wrote: > > >> > However, let's pray for Atlanta 'cause I'm all the way down south here in >Florida. Why not Miami? 'Cose that's Jan Hammer country, down theh. :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 5:11 am Subject: IT IS TRUE!!!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Hello Dreamers, The Rumors of a U.S. Tour by Tangerine Dream are true. I talked to Lisa at Miramar on Friday evening and she confirmed what we saw on the list Thursday. She also told me that all the dates were TENTATIVE (meaning subject to change) and here are the dates: 3/27 New York City 3/28 Washington D.C. 4/1 Los Angeles 4/3 San Francisco There are also 2 TBA(to be annouced) dates of 3/30 and 3/31. No locations yet. But if some of us are lucky we could see TD in Atlanta, GA. It would be nice and I could save on airfare. As far fetched as it seems this is TRUE. I have been waiting to long to see them to feed you folks a line of crap. So keep your fingers crossed that this does not get cancel liked the last tour plans. THE HIGHLANDER From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 8:57 am Subject: Re: baby tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > I am sure you are referring to Sheila Ostrander's > 'Superlearning.' Yes, Superlearning. So long ago this book is collecting dust that i forgot its real name. --- Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 9:08 am Subject: RE: The Mind's Eye video series ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Rich I have the second and third in this series (I think the third is called Gateway to the Minds Eye). You are right in saying the Jan Hammer music and CGI is good. The third has music by Thomas Dolby and that's excellent as well (you can see how the quality and technicalities of CGI has improved since the Hammer vid as well). Hope that gives you a clue ! Craig Rich > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > >Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack > >Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:51:39 > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >Really-From: Michael Fox > > > >>>+ From the acclaimed The Mind's Eye series of animated videos > >> > >> I'm unfamiliar with this series. What are the names/artists on > >>some of the other videos in the series? > > > >I have the first two. They are computer generated anime--the first is > >musically, pretty much a bore I thought. The second was done by Jan > >Hammer and is much better, both musically and visually. [. . .] > > Oh; *that* series. I have the first two, as well. That leads me > to ask, then . . . are all the images CGI computer animation like in > those other two videos (THE MIND'S EYE and BEYOND THE MIND'S EYE)? > I guess it was because this series was being continued by Sony > than Miramar that threw me off. > > -- Steven Feldman > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to > believe > that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the > Air > Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, > the > 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, > 1960. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 9:12 am Subject: Re: baby tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > There is a new > edition called 'Superlearning 2000,' published last year (1997). > It would be interesting to see what other music is being > recommended, in addition to Vivaldi, Bach, et al. Any guesses, > anyone? :-) > > Andrew > Now that you're telling it in the first edition ( the one I have) they did mention Tangerine Dream. The spanish edition page 81 says: The use of the music to trigger altered states of mind is becoming one of the musical tendencies of the 70'es, according to Robert Palmer, from New York Times: Disco bands, jazz musicians and electronic music groups such as TANGERINE DREAM ' are beginning to explore the possibilities of the rhythmic and modal repetition in search , by the absolute control of limited musical means, to trigger states of relaxation , meditation, euphony and other psicological states, instead of simply supply sounds for people chemically induced' Sorry for my ( previssibly horrible) english translation. _francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9923 Re: baby tapes Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 1/10/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 9:52 am Subject: New TD midi file ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes I've just come across a nice midi file of 'Canyon Voices'. If anyone's interested in receiving it via email, please contact me off list. Antonio email: ajogon@m... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 10:30 am Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: stefan@b... (Stefan Stapelberg) Hi Greg, On Jan 8, 15:06, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... > > Maybe even Stefan is surprised :) true ... > I go to the Tadream page everyday.. something like this > must have been in the planning for a while--I'm surprised > it hasn't made it to the Tadream page--maybe they don't > want to get our hopes up to high if things cancel--so it's > better to wait until things are definate. Exactly. There are no dates confirmed yet, so we won't publish any dates until they are confirmed by the TD office. Best regards, Stefan -- Stefan Stapelberg Fon: +49-9352-89948 RENT-A-GURU (TM) Fax: +49-9352-89949 P.O. Box 1358 http://www.netstore.de/ D-97803 Lohr/Main Microsoft spel chekar vor sail, worgs grate!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 10:45 am Subject: RE Missing digest... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm I finally got the digest so no need for anyone to send it to me... Thanks, Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 11:38 am Subject: RE: Missing Digest ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm Not only did I receive the missing digest... it seems that my request was actually in it! Seems like I jumped the gun somewhat. I blame Dell for making me impatient! :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9962 Re: Missing Digest AOutland Mon 1/12/1998 3 KB 9967 Re: Missing Digest David Datta Mon 1/12/1998 3 KB 9980 Missing Digest Stephen, Frank Mon 1/12/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 11:41 am Subject: RE: Discussion threads ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm Vic, On the subject of new threads... did you include the soundtracks when you did the alphabetic studio releases? Or how about the live albums? What about the videos, and the new releases since that thread ended. Anybody have any other ideas for where the discussion threads can go? Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9939 Re: Discussion threads Vic Rek Sun 1/11/1998 3 KB 9944 Re: Discussion threads Francisco Salgado C. Sun 1/11/1998 3 KB 9953 Re: Discussion threads Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 1/11/1998 3 KB 9951 Re: Discussion threads Lars R. Jones Sun 1/11/1998 10 KB 9985 Re: Discussion threads Plumer, Scott Mon 1/12/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 1:37 pm Subject: Optical Limits Source ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'FREDERIC YARGUI' >>The CDR contains a sleeve on which is printed the logo of optical race (the athlete) among other data (stereo, etc.) >The cover I 'saw' is different. It shows a stadium that's hosting a track and field event (I think). Still has the athlete connection though. You mean the inner 'booklet' sleeve ; I mean a sticker upon the disk, not the box. >>NORTH AMERICAN TOUR 1988? I suggest you compare the tracks with Spherical Harmonics, I & II. >>But you'll not find AS in these boots! It comes from ElseWhere... >Very interesting. I guess you assume I have Spherical Harmonics I & II? :-) This isn't what I meant ; I think several people on this list may have one or both. May be you also have. (I remember a swap list you sent : you might have them, don't you!) >Thanks, >Vic You're welcome Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 2:17 pm Subject: Re: Who Tadream? O.K. I'll bite: My name is Doug Hanson. I've been a TD fan since Poland, et al. I saw TD in the 80s at Center Stage in Atlanta, GA (did you see um Steve?) I enjoy the Optical Race era but am learning to like the newer stuff. BTW, Goblins Club is weak, at best. The first Dream Mixes is one of my all time favs. I'm on the list to keep up with tour news. Looks like I may find out soon. Thanks for listening and Enjoy, doug tadream mailing list wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: SRiser3600 Hi im Steve in Atlanta tdream fan since 73 miss the old Phadra Rubycon days I hope they take the time to come to Atlanta on next tour and dont pass us by AGAIN!! Bye Steve -- O /\ * * /\ / \ /\ * * * /\ / \/ \ / \ * * / \/ / \/ \ Douglas W. Hanson, IV / \ dhanson@netside.com / it's better in Alaska From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >Really-From: 'Keith Richie' >Actually, I hope they come to the DFW/TExas area again. I've fortunate to >see them in concert in '88 for the first time, and a neat '98 ten years >later tour would be great > >BTW, anyone know if they've visited Texas since '88? Hey Keith! When I asked about a US tour in London after the show in Nov., Edgar said there were tentative plans to come over in Mar./Apr. So naturally I suggested that he visit Dallas again, so I wouldn't have to fly anywhere to see them! He said 'Maybe, you never know...' I, too, was at the Dallas show in '88 (3rd row, center!) And no, they haven't returned for a *concert* since then. Here's hoping! goozer --------------------------------------------------- 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has blurred.' --------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 5:49 pm Subject: Re: baby tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:12 AM 1/10/1998 +0000, Francisco wrote: >Now that you're telling it in the first edition ( the one I have) they >did mention Tangerine Dream. >The spanish edition page 81 says: >The use of the music to trigger altered states of mind is becoming one >of the musical tendencies of the 70'es, according to Robert Palmer, from >New York Times: Disco bands, jazz musicians and electronic music groups >such as TANGERINE DREAM ' are beginning to explore the possibilities of >the rhythmic and modal repetition in search , by the absolute control of >limited musical means, to trigger states of relaxation , meditation, >euphony and other psicological states, instead of simply supply sounds >for people chemically induced' > >Sorry for my ( previssibly horrible) english translation. Bravo, Francisco! Your English is better than you think. Certainly better than my Spanish. :-) The actual quote from American version of the book (p.75-76) is as follows: 'Using music to induce altered states of consciousness has become one of the most significant music trends in the seventies, according to Robert Palmer in 'The New York Times.' Discotheque bands, jazz, musicians, electronic groups like Tangerine Dream 'are beginning to explore the possibilities of rhythmic and modal repetition, which seek through absolute control of limited musical means to induce relaxation, contemplation, euphoria, and other psychological states, rather than merely to provide sound tracks for chemically induced ones.' It will be intersting to see how that particular section of the book has changed in 20 years. The first edition (mine) is 1979, the new one is 1997. Mind you, Tangerine Dream, themselves, have changed.... :-) :-( (mixed feelings). Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 6:41 pm Subject: RE: Who Tadream? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carlos_A_Martínez_Salas?= Hello, you all guys. Itīs Carlos from Mexico, 31 years, incurable lover of every TD album since I discovered in 1985 (even Turn of the Tides and Tyranny of Beauty!) and passionate fan of Schmoelling & early Haslinger eras. I used to be more active a couple of years ago in this list but not now. But this forum has made me meet a couple of good pals like Francisco and Lars. PS. BTW, does anybody know how to get that juicy boot 'Optical Limits'? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 7:53 pm Subject: Re: SV: generic tadream mailing list message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 12:10 AM 1/10/98 +0100, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: 'Kim Pedersen' > > >Could you give some details on this. > >Kim Pedersen > >---------- >> Fra: tadream mailing list >> Til: tadream@c... >> Emne: generic tadream mailing list message >> Dato: 9. januar 1998 15:36 >> >> >> Really-From: feldon@p... >> >> >> MP3 page is online. Private e-mail me for details. >> >> feldon@p... Oh dear, a reply that went to the list...sorry. feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 8:17 pm Subject: Re: baby tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes 'Andrew J. Rozsa' wrote: > I am sure you are referring to Sheila Ostrander's > 'Superlearning.' [...] > It would be interesting to see what other music is being > recommended, in addition to Vivaldi, Bach, et al. Any guesses, > anyone? :-) The German course 'Was?' from Deutsche Welle TV had a few 'Superlearning' lessons with a very pleasant ambient-electronic music by Ljubo Majstorovic. This music was supposed to help the learning, but it didn't work with me, because instead of paying attention to the German speech I kept paying attention to the music :-) Antonio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9929 Re: baby tapes Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 1/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 10:41 pm Subject: Re: Who Tadream? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Phil PDX In a message dated 98-01-10 09:24:23 EST, you write: << My name is Doug Hanson. I've been a TD fan since Poland, et al. I saw TD in the 80s at Center Stage in Atlanta, GA (did you see um Steve?) I enjoy the Optical Race era but am learning to like the newer stuff. >> Uh, I thought Optical Race era WAS newer stuff... :-)) Phil Derby (Whose favorite TD is just about anything between 1974-85, not counting some of those 80's soundtracks.) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 12:07 pm Subject: Re: Who Tadream? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Aured Azhallein Rancuel >Maybe you lurkers should introduce yourselves once in a >while and tell us why you are here? Well, I first heard Tadream about 6 months ago when I got _Goblin's Club_ for a B-day present. On the first listen I found the first two songs odd but interesting and was blown away by the rest of the CD (especially 'Rising Haul in Silence' and 'Lamb with radar eyes'), coincidently a few days later another friend got me _Tangerine Ambience_ for a present and I knew I was hooked :), so I bought Tangents and Zeit, and the buying spree has continued for the last 6 months 'til I now have 15 CD's ;) (and looks like I'll be spending some $$ for quite awile to come) After listening to Tangents and Tangram (my fav album so far) I must say that I love their older stuff better but still enjoy their newer stuff (heck, I even listen to Zeit more than once a month so I've got weird tastes :) Anyhow I've enjoyed everything on this list so far and hopefully all the wonderful posts can help me pick up a few good boots or fan tapes at some point :) -Scott (who likes the LoaRT compilation idea with 'Running out of time' one the first CD) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 11:23 pm Subject: Re: baby tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 08:17 PM 1/10/1998 +0000, Antonio wrote: > >The German course 'Was?' from Deutsche Welle TV had a few >'Superlearning' lessons with a very pleasant ambient-electronic music by >Ljubo Majstorovic. This music was supposed to help the learning, but it >didn't work with me, because instead of paying attention to the German >speech I kept paying attention to the music :-) And, NOT amazingly, we find you here amongst us TD lovers, instead of the German language list. :-) :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 11:30 pm Subject: Re: Who Tadream? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Ed Wilson' Old Lurker here. 50 year-old TD fan. Had a local Fm jazz DJ go nuts over them about '84 (Poland and Tangram) then so did I! Plan to fill one of my 100 disc changers with TD (just about half right now) Love Pergamon side one and Underwater Sunlight. Hope to add rare and hard to find stuff sometime.Better hurry at this age!!!! Also like Miles Davis(fusion period), Robert Fox, Moby, ambient stuff. Will WALK to any US TD concert from here in North Carolina. Ed Wilson From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 11:38 pm Subject: RE: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jim Moore > I, too, was at the Dallas show in '88 (3rd row, center!) And no, they > haven't returned for a *concert* since then. Here's hoping! So YOU were the one sitting in front of me... Ha Ha! 'Moving out... from the City of Love... to the Valley of Reason...' -- Dream Academy: 'The Lession of Love' 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 11:43 pm Subject: Re: Who Tadream? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-10 17:55:49 EST, you write: << Well, I first heard Tadream about 6 months ago when I got _Goblin's Club_ for a B-day present. >> oh jesus do i feel old..... tom w np: tadream dc 77 ( to feel older still) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 10, 1998 11:49 pm Subject: Re: Who Tadream? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-10 18:34:19 EST, you write: << Will WALK to any US TD concert from here in North Carolina. >> ok...whoever makes it to nyc is welcome at my place....i live 30m from irving plaza barring traffic...i will also get tix for whoever wants em...i will also be driving to dc the next day, and have made arrangements there....so, if this really gets confirmed, u are all set up... tom w np: schulze - jubileum disc 22 (hehe post concert tunes) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 12:52 am Subject: Jerome As A DJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Folks The TD web site got an update about Jerome's forthcoming host of a radio show. Who will record it?? Also anybody can do the recent mellotron show with Edgar on tape for me? Please contact me off list. There was no info regarding the new US tour, however. Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9935 Re: Jerome As A DJ Jens Peschke Sun 1/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 2:41 am Subject: Re: Jerome As A DJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' >The TD web site got an update about Jerome's forthcoming host of a radio >show. Who will record it?? Iīll check out if 'Radio Eins' is available on cable in Hanover (Berlinīs about 300 km east from here). If so Iīll record the 4 hours show on TDK SA-X tapes. If not someone else MUST record the show since Jerome will play some rare TD tracks. Keep you informed. Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 4:02 am Subject: Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland + From the acclaimed The Mind's Eye series of animated videos > I have seen these videos at Natural Wonders stores which are usually in the larger shopping malls. That's where I found Canyon Dreams and am hoping some day they will get Oasis. Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9941 Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 1/11/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 4:09 am Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-01-09 14:23:54 EST, you write: << pan am has flights to nyc for $ 99....reserve now.... tom w >> Does it snow in NY in March? If so, I would be a frozen lost lamb. If, however, this turns out to be my only choice, would you be able to recommend a hotel nearby? I've seen enough movies about NY cabbies not to take that kind of chance! 8-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 4:15 am Subject: Re: Optical Limits Source ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >>Very interesting. I guess you assume I have Spherical Harmonics I & II? >:-) > >This isn't what I meant ; I think several people on this list may have one >or both. May be you also have. >(I remember a swap list you sent : you might have them, don't you!) Hey, this was just American humor! :-) Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 4:15 am Subject: RE: Discussion threads ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Lawrysimm > >On the subject of new threads... >did you include the soundtracks when you did >the alphabetic studio releases? Yes >Or how about the live albums? Yes, for the legal releases. >What about the videos, and the new releases since that thread ended. Besides Goblins Club, I think they need to be reviewed. >Anybody have any other ideas for where the discussion threads can go? Yes, I think that you (Lawry) should be the next in line in continuing this thread. We can talk about the new CDS, soundtracks, laserdisc/videos, and of course all those infamous live recordings! The live recordings would be hard to organize unless we went in chronological order by concert date and had memebers discuss where these recordings have appeared. A big job IMHO.... Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 4:24 am Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-01-10 00:15:42 EST, you write: << >Florida. Why not Miami? 'Cose that's Jan Hammer country, down theh. :-) Andrew >> Well, the South has never been known for its intelligence. LOL joking, of course. What little I've heard of Hammer I like, altho' I own nothing of his, and I used to love to watch Miami Vice (even watched them film an episode, got great pics of Don Johnson). But it's a moot question. We don't even know if this rumor of them coming at all is true or not. Gotta save up some money and job free time. Wish we had a little more advance notice. Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9942 Re: Americans better read this.... Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 1/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 5:19 am Subject: Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 11:02 PM 1/10/1998 EST, Dell wrote: >the larger shopping malls. That's where I found Canyon Dreams and am hoping >some day they will get Oasis. Dell CDNow has it for about $18. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 5:27 am Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 11:24 PM 1/10/1998 EST, Dell wrote: ><< >Florida. Why not Miami? > > 'Cose that's Jan Hammer country, down theh. :-) > > >> > Well, the South has never been known for its intelligence. LOL joking, of >course. :-) Gues where I live? Birmingham, Alabama, of course. >What little I've heard of Hammer I like, poor guy... totally misguided... >altho' I own nothing of his, >and I used to love to watch Miami Vice I am glad you caught the reference. :-) >this rumor of them coming at all is true or not. Gotta save up some money and >job free time. Wish we had a little more advance notice. l It's not a rumor. I got it from the Miramar site. Their word is mud, if they are spreading rumors. In this competitive business they can hardly afford it. I think. And you are right... I also wish we had more time to prepair. But, we gotta do what we gotta do. And be there. wherever 'there' is the closest. I am keeping my fingers crossed for Atlanta. That's a 90-minute drive for me. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 4:50 am Subject: Re: Who Tadream? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ingo_P=FCschmann?=' Maybe I'm also one of the lurkers since I'm rather seldom sending anything to list. Anyway, I came across TD in 1976 (at an age of 14) when RIAS radio station Berlin in one of their 'Goldene Acht Meilen - Rockmusik mit Überlänge' shows, which some of the German fellows may know, played 'Stratosfear'. At this time I dumped all the other music I used to listen to and stayed with TD. In a certain extend I'm a very unlucky TD fan, because I never made it to one of their shows. I've always been at the 'other end of the world' so that I couldn't go and see their shows. Currently I'm living in Malaysia (almost four years already) and here it is even harder to get anything from TD. I prefer the music from Phaedra to Livemiles (less the Soundtracks), but I also listen to the newer stuff and certainly their solo releases. Bye Ingo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 10:05 am Subject: Re: Discussion threads ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' ------------------------ > Really-From: Lawrysimm > Anybody have any other ideas for where the discussion threads can go? I would suggest to begin talking about TD concerts. Scott's 'Mysterious Semblance' is a very good TD chronology, and there is a very exhaustive concert list. Maybe we could talk about whole tours instead of particular concerts. there are a lot of fan tapes of almost avery concert. What do you think ? ---Fancisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9953 Re: Discussion threads Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 1/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 10:15 am Subject: Re: baby tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >Sorry for my ( previssibly horrible) english translation. > > Bravo, Francisco! Your English is better than you think. > Certainly better than my Spanish. :-) The actual quote from > American version of the book (p.75-76) is as follows: [Exact quote follows] Well, thanks andrew. It's nice to compare translation with the real quote. Maybe if I didn't succeed in my actual job I could dedicate my time to translations (:-D > It will be interesting to see how that particular section of the > book has changed in 20 years. The first edition (mine) is 1979, > the new one is 1997. Maybe now they talk Robert Rich and his 'sleep concerts', Steve Roach atmospherics or the like. > Mind you, Tangerine Dream, themselves, have changed.... :-) :-( > (mixed feelings). Totally understood. Me too :() Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9956 Re: baby tapes Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 1/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 7:54 pm Subject: Who Tadream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Armin Theissen Hi, I used to be more active here, but now I'm just lurking (some things on this list repeat over the years, and lots of stuff here was very annoying anyway...) I'm 31, german, but live in N.Ireland now (Armagh, boring place, you may find me in Belfast much more often, which is just a bit less boring). I got hooked on TD with 'Encore' after listening to 'Cyclone' and 'Force Majeure'. That must have been 1980 - I remember Tangram just came out. More on me on http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath, my record/CD collection including 'some' TD on http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/m.html ps: I hate the music of J.M.Jarre... (flame war???) armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9957 Re: Who Tadream Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 1/11/1998 2 KB 9966 Talking during concerts! :-( Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 1/12/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 1:59 pm Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-10 23:15:22 EST, you write: << Does it snow in NY in March? it could, but the way things are going we're probably be in shorts by then... If so, I would be a frozen lost lamb. If, however, this turns out to be my only choice, would you be able to recommend a hotel nearby? I've seen enough movies about NY cabbies not to take that kind of chance! 8-) >> of course...nyc is the land of hotels... tom w np: d.a.f. - fur immer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 2:29 pm Subject: Copyrigth Law and tape trading ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi I just read an interesting message in the DAT-HEADS mail list and I think it's worth the reading here, so took the liberty to copy it. ---Francisco ------------------------- From: rboyle@e... Subject: A Couple of Words on Copyright Reply-To: rboyle@e... Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:01:45 -0800 Foreword: I'm about clarify some misconceptions about copyright law and its relation to taping. Please understand that I am simplifying standard principles of U.S. copyright, property and contract law. What will be stated here is done through accurate generalizations of model situations. Kind of like the 'hypotheticals' drilled into most law students, but hopefully less boring. What most lay people need to understand about law is that law is fluid. It changes. It has different meanings at different times. It is permanently subject to interpretation. I could just as easily clean this mess up and write a proper law review article about it, but fuck it. I don't need to teach other lawyers the shit I know, I think everybody should know this shit. So, I'm taking it to the streets. Keep in mind, every 'legal situation' is case specific. There are a lot of intricacies and idiosyncrasies in any given case. Frequently, it's the idiosyncrasies that determine the outcome of a case. I can't promise that the following information will help everybody. I do know that I am giving away incredibly valuable information for free. A Couple of Words on Copyright by Robert M. Boyle, Esq. Copyright (c) 1998 by Robert M. Boyle. All rights reserved. This is in response to a couple of recent posts by Gary Davis on the Dat-Heads mailing list. Hey Gary! And another brief foreword: I already have made it crystal clear that I think art should be free and artists should be generous with their art. But this is reality. And that means money and property. So this whole work of prose is directed at the harsh reality of the interaction of art and money. It sure sucks, don't it? Without further ado: The Prelude Why do artists hold the copyright to a performance? Well, first of all, what's a copyright? A copyright, much as the name implies, basically grants a person or an entity the Right to Reproduce their original work of art. These reproductions can, of course, be sold for profit by anyone who holds an interest in the copyright. Copyrights can be sold, transferred, willed away, et cetera, just like most forms of property can be transferred under U.S. property and contract law. Copyright holders can also grant licenses to third parties to reproduce original works of art. A license is a fairly secure way for the copyright holder to transfer an interest in a work of art. Licenses are generally limited in scope and length of time. Thanks to the beauty of American contract law, just about anything is possible (at least if your lawyer is creative like me!) So first, let's define an 'original work of art' just for the purpose of clarifying copyright law. An original work of art is basically the 'original' of any creative production: An original Picasso painting. The master film reel of _Big Night_. Herb Greene's original photographic negatives or positive transparencies. The manuscript to _Miles: The Autobiography_. The master tapes of _American Beauty_. moe.'s actual performance at the Great American Music Hall on 12/31/97. The original file where I'm going to save what I'm writing right now. The actual performance of a play. The manuscript of the play. Your webpage (yes, your webpage). Ad infinitum. Everything else is a copy. Now (well, now and for the time being, with some exceptions for older works), at the moment of creation every work of art is INSTANTLY and automatically copyrighted. Of course, if you really want to be safe, you put a full copyright reservation on your work of art (exactly as I have done above). Oh yeah, and the '(c)' really needs to be a FULL circle enclosing the 'c', not parentheses. And if you really, really want to be safe, you should register your copyright with the U.S. copyright office. (It's relatively easy and you can even get free instructions online at their internet site. Just run a search in your favorite search engine, you'll be amazed at the info on copyright you can find.) The 'all rights reserved' is supposed to protect you in Latin America. See, there's a reason for everything. Most of the time. Now some works of art don't necessarily lend themselves to the stamping of copyright reservations. Like, I don't necessarily want to put all that written shit on my original photograph negatives and slides. Or the copies for that matter. And how do you make a copyright reservation of an impromptu live performance? Things are never quite as clear as they should be. Well, at any rate, you now have your copyrighted original work of art, in which you own all the rights that ever have or will exist in the world. [Or, in the case of some artists, say, a band, the partnership or corporation owns the rights. Yet ANOTHER reason all serious musicians should enter into partnership agreements with other musicians when they create things together. After all, if you want to follow the money, you better keep an eye on who owns the copyright.] American law says you can do anything you want with those rights (well, you can't legally kill people with a sculpture.) With your copyright you can, for instance, make a bunch of copies of your paintings and sell them in supermalls for lots of money. You can transfer the rights of your music to the record label or music publishing company, who can then sell them to Michael Jackson. You can set up a non-profit corporation and transfer the copyrights of your live performance master tapes to the non-profit corporation. The non-profit corporation can then make a bunch of copies and sell them in supermalls for lots of money and feed the homeless with the profits. Lots of things can be done. Ah, but once you give your copyrights away, you can't always get 'em back. Just ask Paul McCartney. Then again, Jimi Hendrix' family will tell you that sometimes you can get them back. At a price. See, the law is never just black and white. The Hypothetical So let's say you are a band and you tell anybody who cares to listen that the whole world is free to come to any of your shows for the going rate, listen to your music, buy your CD's and t-shirts, post about you on your internet newsgroup, and make DIGITAL SOUNDBOARD TAPES of your live performances which can later be burned on CD and traded for no profit to anybody. Oh yeah, and video cameras are OK and we'll even give you a board feed for the camera. Well, if you don't have obligations to anyone else, like a record company or a venue, no problem. And since you retain copyrights to the performance itself, you are secure knowing that YOU personally can make master audio and video tapes of the performance and copy them and sell the copies. That is, if you don't have obligations to anyone else, like a record company or a venue. Of course, if you have a creative lawyer, you can do anything you want. So some people heard what you were about and showed up at your Fillmore gig with expensive high quality recording equipment. And their tapes came out better than yours. But that's OK, since they can't legally sell their tapes, and they're good people who will market your music for FREE. In fact, you wonder why every band doesn't do this. That is, until you remember that a lot of bands just suck live and there are a lot of greedy people in the music business. But you have no qualms about making money off your music. After all, that's how you make your living and, ideally, that's how you free up your time to play. So you decide one day that you want to release an old Fillmore performance, because it was a hot fucking show. Unfortunately, you were still 2-track back then, the master tapes have this awful clicking noise, and your set was longer than your tape. A recording whiz you know tells you that he can fix the noise, but the tape lacks life. He suggests digitally remastering the soundboard tape by mixing it with one or two of the audience tapes. You know the tapers who got a great tape of the show, so you figure you'll just get their copy. It's at this point you find out that the tapers, artists that they are, hold a copyright for their master tapes of your performance. After all, they weren't your employees when they made the recording. It's their tape. Now, they can't sell copies of their tape because their tape contains material that YOU have copyrighted, i.e., your songs, your performance. But you can't sell THEIR tape without getting the rights to their master tapes. You ask them, and because they are extremely cool people, they grant you a license to reproduce their master tapes for the purpose of making a CD, to be produced and distributed over the internet by the new record company your creative lawyer set up for you. You even print the lyrics, because you also own a music publishing company that your creative lawyer set up for you. Because you are extremely cool, you give the audience tapers credit on the CD, ask for their input on the remaster, and even give them a royalty point. You realize that life can be good for everybody. One day, you are browsing through a record store, and you run across a CD in the used bin with your name on it. But you've never seen this disc. It's a double, fresh out of Italy, and all your song titles are spelled incorrectly. It's the same Fillmore show you are planning to release shortly. And it's an un-remastered copy of the audience tape your recording studio whiz is even now mixing down. At first you are as pissed as you can be. Now you know the tapers who made the original did not sell it to the jokers in Italy. When you show it to them, they are as pissed as you. And then you realize the following things: 1) most of your fans are adamantly opposed to commercial bootlegs, 2) the CD is priced about 3 times higher than what you are going to charge for a better product, 3) people can trade the same audience tapes for free, so the demand for the bootleg is extremely low, 4) your last live album nearly went gold out of the gate, and 5) you are one of the best live draws on the planet. You have several options for dealing with the bootleg. These options include getting a federal injunction against the production and sale of the bootleg, confiscating as many copies as you can find, busting anybody you can find in the chain of distribution from the record store owner on up, and finding the bastards in Italy and suing them in the U.S. and Italy and wherever the hell else they distributed copies. Your creative lawyer tells you that, despite the incredibly fair rate he charges you for services, it will cost you more money to enforce the copyright than it's worth. He'll do it for you, if you just want to send an expensive message. He tells you that you can also get the Department of Justice involved now that the President has signed a new recording industry sponsored law which allows the federal government to aggressively prosecute bootleggers. You realize that it's not worth it to pursue overseas litigation, but you want the U.S. injunctions, even if it means some record store owners aren't going to like you. However, you don't like the new federal law, and you don't want to get legitimate tapers in trouble, so you figure the DOJ can fuck off. You're still going to make a ton of money, and internet tape trading has gotten to the point where very, very few people can make a profit selling bootlegs. And you know that their bad karma will get the bootleggers in the long run. So you release your live Fillmore CD on your label. It goes platinum and since you are in control of a great percentage of the copyrights, you get rich. People write articles about how you revolutionized the CD distribution market by taking power back from the record companies thanks to cheap digital technology and the internet. You know that you can stop tapers from taping your performances at any time. But you are extremely cool and you know you got where you are with the help of tapers. You figure, let the tapers tape; they're gonna do it anyway, and besides, sometimes they get great tapes. As you get older, you're really glad those old recordings are around. After all, you can sell as many copies of your performances as people will buy, you have the rights, and people keep buying your CD's. The Conclusion Well, this doesn't really need a conclusion, but I feel compelled to write one anyway. I'll just conclude it like this: I made a copyright reservation at the beginning of this rant. It was primarily for illustrative purposes only. I hereby grant everybody who reads this document a permanent license to reproduce it as many times as desired, in any fashion desired, and it can be distributed in any manner desired. Whoever tries to sell it is an asshole and can fuck off. -RB 'A rebel with a clause' ------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9984 Re: Copyrigth Law and tape trading Plumer, Scott Mon 1/12/1998 4 KB 9992 Re: Copyrigth Law and tape trading Francisco Salgado C. Tue 1/13/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 2:53 pm Subject: Re: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Keith Richie' >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > > >Greetings all! > >>Really-From: 'Keith Richie' > >>Actually, I hope they come to the DFW/TExas area again. I've fortunate to >>see them in concert in '88 for the first time, >>BTW, anyone know if they've visited Texas since '88? > >Hey Keith! When I asked about a US tour in London after the show in Nov., >Edgar said there were tentative plans to come over in Mar./Apr. So >naturally I suggested that he visit Dallas again, so I wouldn't have to fly >anywhere to see them! He said 'Maybe, you never know...' > >I, too, was at the Dallas show in '88 (3rd row, center!) And no, they >haven't returned for a *concert* since then. Here's hoping! Hey, I was right behind you! Fourth row Actually, I could actually visit another location. Like Seattle, we have clients there, and I'm sure that I could arrange a business trip during that time if they came to Seattle. Anyways....Here's hoping for DFW. Keith A. Richie krichie@w... http://www.netpath.com/~krichie (The Coffee Shop) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 2:56 pm Subject: Re: Who Tadream? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Keith Richie' >Really-From: Phil PDX > > >Phil Derby > >(Whose favorite TD is just about anything between 1974-85, not counting some >of those 80's soundtracks.) ME!,...I would have to say that Logos is one of my personal favorites. Keith A. Richie krichie@w... http://www.netpath.com/~krichie (The Coffee Shop) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 5:00 pm Subject: RE: Discussion threads ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Vic sez: > The live recordings would be >hard to organize unless we went in chronological order by concert date and >had memebers discuss where these recordings have appeared. A big job IMHO.... true, but not that big of a job.... I've got a partial cross reference of boots with show dates; I'm sure we tadream members could pool references... There are a number of questions that need to be raised as we start thinking about discussing the live material: what are we to do about those which are compilations / combinations or live material? (I'm assuming we'll be ignoring the pirated compilations of rare material... or should we? and what about those of unreleased soundtrack material -- I think we should keep the 'live' in LIVE and exclude this stuff for the next d:list) Also, how are we to define the boots for this discussion? should we count the tape boots? (eg for Chichester), the LP boots? CD boots? and what about the CDR boot-of-the-month (there must be over 100 now)? As I see it, only the CD boots have any chance of being discussed by a broader range of people since they were pressed in runs of 400 towards 1,000 (additionally there are a few LP boots with runs over 1,000 such as fassbinder with 3,000). Most of the limited edition boots can never be discussed on the list because most people don't own a copy. IMO tapes are the only item that can be easily obtained and disseminated among the listmembers who want to participate in these discussions. Also, what about discussing boots v. the tape of that concert? eg: danger live is only one part of the 76 brussels show, even if we add brussels part 2, it is still not the whole show. additiionally, if we discuss those two boots, are we also to treat the material from the other two concerts on those boots as well?? Also, what about studio tapes? eg boots like: logotypes and the alternate canyon dreams/vision quest studio tapes? I like Francisco's idea about discussing tours -- yet we must also include those shows that fall out of the normal tours because some of these -- and all of the early tours vary substantially from venue to venue so it would be difficult to generalize. This amounts to suggesting that the 76 euro tour can be summarized by ricochet or danger live (technically not part of the tour but still very ricochet-ish), the 77 tour by encore .... yet, to take just the latter example, those with Patrolling Space Borders and Acoustic LSD know just how list un-Encore-ish this unreleased material is... on the other hand, when we get to the post 86 tour shows when DAT is used by TD, there is often little point in discussing individual shows since they are almost the same... Now, I'm not advocating discussing all tapes (although they *are* widely available, you just have to ask someone ;-), but I think we need to discuss the difference between boots and tapes. There is often little difference except that some boots are on CD/CDR, some have been digitially processed and are usually only excerpts from tapes; not all boots have made from master tapes so quality isn't always guaranteed. There are at least three distinct 'live' phases (this is just IMO), each of these 3 phases can be divided into several 'catagories' and each of these catagories can be divided into tours and groups of shows: PHASE I (1971-81), high variability among live shows: Catagories: 1) the Ohr years (really only 7-9 tape dates beginning in '71) 2) 'baumann years' including: (I'm doing the numbers of tape-dates from memory...) (Groups & Tours): A) the early 74 shows such as chichester [oedipus tyrannos] (2-3 tapes) B) 74 british tour (6-7 tapes) C) Reims [Live improvised] (1) D) 75 australian tour (2 tapes) E) mid-75 dates (about 5 tapes) including CAE and orange festival (again two very different shows) F) the 75 UK tour (8-10 tapes) G) the early 76 dates (about 9 or so tapes) H) the 76 euro tour (stratosfear tour; about 12-13 tapes) I) the 77 north american tour (stratosfear tour; about 12 dates, includes PSB, acoustic lsd, etc.) 3) The Cyclone tour (most of the 12 or so tapes are interesting but low quality; one notable boot is Don't walk dream now!) 4) The early schmoelling years, including: A) The pergamon shows (2 tapes) B) the 1980 Euro tour (tangram, about 18 tapes) C) the 1981 euro tour (about 12 tapes) D) the 1981 UK tour (Exit, about 16 tapes) *** for me, this end the first phase of live material where variability between concerts is at a maximum; the next phase (through 1987) shows a medium amount of variability between shows and an increasing tendency toward standardization *** PHASE II (1982-87) Catagories: 1) 1982 Australian tour (2 tapes) 2) 1982-84 European tours & shows (white eagle) A) 1982 euro tour (about 20 tapes) B) 1983 dates: fassbinder + japan tour +dresden (about 6 tapes) C) Warsaw shows (2 tapes) D) Athens (broadcast of show; 1 tape) 3) the 1986-7 tours & shows (underwater sunlight) A) 1986 euro tour (about 21 tapes) B) 1986 n. american tour (about 22 tapes) C) 1987 berlin show PHASE III (1988 - 1998 -- since we'll be including any N. American dates this year); low variability between dates: catagories: 1) Private years: A) 1988 n. american tour (Optical race; about 24 tapes) B) 1990 berlin show (1 tape) C) 1990 UK tour (melrose; about 12 tapes) 2) Miramar years: A) 1992 n. american tour (Rockoon; about 15 tapes) B) 1995 SIR/XSESS show (1 tape) 3) TDI years: A) 1996 bush show (1 tape/3cdr set ;-) B) 1997 euro tour (about 10 tapes) C) 1997 UK tour (about 6-7 tapes) D) 1998 N. American tour (?? all dates I hope ;-) It seems logical that known boots from a tour/year get their own discussion week, that a tour be given at least a separate week, etc. I would suggest we attack the live material something like this: 1) that we open the discussion to only boots of live material AND to live tapes -- this will ensure the widest degree of participation among the list membership. Also, many people have the live tape of a concert but not the boot whence it comes, this would allow them to participate as well. It is my feeling that we should attempt to make these discussions attract as much discussion as possible both to generate interest in live material among those who don't have any and to allow those who do the avenue to discuss it. 2) people can talk about whatever they have during the discussion week 3) that we devote at least one week to each group and tour listed above; within these groups, we can expand the discussion by one week for each date for which one or more live 'boots'--however we define that term--are extant (eg: paris 86 for which at least 3-4 sets of boots exist) and by one week for each 'major' concert for which no boot exists (eg Washington DC 1977, which is rumored to be in production) or for which the concert is particularly deserving of our attention (eg the 1980 pergamon show which, while it appears in part on Quichotte/Pergamon, is more extensive and interesting to treat in its original form). 4) that we use the above outline as a guide and devote more time to the catagories with more variability and corresondingly less discussion time to those catagories for which variability is miminal (eg, the 1997 euro tour could be discussed in 1 week rather than in 5-6 weeks; the latter numbers representing the approximate number of boots for this tour in existence). It is my feeling that for the more recent tours, where the number of boots has prolifierated, that we need to draw out these discussions ad infinitum. If there is a demand for, I'll post my working tape-date list which is more complete than that in Voices or in Mysterious Semblance (because it has tape lengths, etc.) and my list of cross-reference list of boot concert dates. What we need, then, is to define those boots and concert dates that merit their own week's listing in the d:live discussion list whatever we decide to do, I hope it leads to a flurry of fan-tape/tape/cdr/boot trading so everyone can participate in these discussions ;-) share the music! lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 4:50 pm Subject: Who tadream? Me tadream?!? You tadream?!? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' <>> Craig Shipley, 41, Norcross, GA (lots of us in this area, it seems) been on the list since, what '89 or so, maybe '88. Been a fan of electronic music since early '70's and a TD fan since '73 (PHAEDRA was the first TD I heard at 0300 on the late lamented WGTB in Washington DC). Seen the band twice, 1986 and 1988, and met Edgar, Paul and Ralph on the '88 tour, backstage, (another benefit of belonging to the TDIFC). Fan of the Schmoelling-era music and think that most of the stuff since Franke left is sub-par. Still here 'cuz I keep hoping for word of a number of vintage '70's sets to be released and I don't have time to check the Web page every day. Also keep hoping to hear of a return to form by the Froese Family Foundation (OASIS offers a bit of hope). Ain't holding my breath.... Inactive on this list as I am more interested in what the up-and-coming e-music artists are doing, so I spend my energies over on the GoldTri list. Also fun to watch the way some of the members react when someone says a 'bad thing' about the band (sheesh, talk about 'fan'-atics!! Get a sense of humour and lighten up!! This isn't life or death)... That's all for now... <> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs@s... Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9973 Re: Who tadream? Me tadream?!? You tadream?!? Colin Knowles Mon 1/12/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 5:22 pm Subject: Re: Discussion threads ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:05 AM 1/11/1998 +0000, Francisco wrote: >I would suggest to begin talking about TD concerts. > >Scott's 'Mysterious Semblance' is a very good TD chronology, and there >is a very exhaustive concert list. Maybe we could talk about whole >tours instead of particular concerts. there are a lot of fan tapes of >almost avery concert. > > >What do you think ? Now here is a wonderful idea! Since I have never been to a TD concert, augmenting the discussion by throwing in personal experiences (by those who were 'there') would be very revealing. Those recordings would come alive in our minds and ears. It would also be interesting to see what's out there in terms of the various 'fan recordings.' I bet even Klaus' list is incomplete. Well, folks? Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 5:20 pm Subject: Oasis US ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Andrew, Not only is the cover different, but the is a 'bonus' bonus cut called Chia Maroon... MJ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Bit of trivial observation.... Looking at Miramar's Web page I note that their cover for 'Oasis' ($15.98) is somewhat different from my Austrian TDI's. The American version has the lightning, but not the cacti. Go figure.... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 5:24 pm Subject: New Video by TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Here is the excerpt from the TD page Edgar and Jerome also just finished some final editing for a score to the maybe most interesting computer animated images youve seen so far. The producer of the very successful Minds Eye series, Steven Churchill, introduced TD to the Japanese Video and computer artist, Yoichiro Kawaguchi. He was called by the National Geographic Magazine the Picasso of computer animation. The 60 min. video of their collaboration will be called Luminous Visions and will be out on Sony Music Videos in late January '98. A soundtrack release is also planned. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 5:31 pm Subject: Re: baby tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:15 AM 1/11/1998 +0000, Francisco wrote: > >Well, thanks andrew. It's nice to compare translation with the real >quote. >Maybe if I didn't succeed in my actual job I could dedicate my time to >translations (:-D We all hope that you won't need to switch professions. :-) But, in any case, considering that you speak the two major USEFUL international languages (thus eliminating Mandarin and Hindi), you are by far better prepared for the next century than most of us. >Maybe now they talk Robert Rich and his 'sleep concerts', Steve Roach >atmospherics or the like. I would probably be something with 60 beats per minute. So, I guess, 'Dream Mixes' is out. :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 5:35 pm Subject: Re: Who Tadream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 12:54 PM 1/11/1998 GMT, Armin 'the pollster' Theissen wrote: >ps: I hate the music of J.M.Jarre... (flame war???) > Why would there be a flamewar? You didn't say that the music is bad, you only reported to us your personal preferences. :-) Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9966 Talking during concerts! :-( Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 1/12/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: TD CDs for trade or sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dwhawk@s... (Don Hawkinson) I have two TD CDs that I would like to sell or trade. Electronic Meditation Jive C TANG 4 Alpha Centauri Jive C TANG 5 Don Hawkinson Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10071 Re: TD CDs for trade or sale Eric Funkhouser Thu 1/15/1998 3 KB 10077 Re: TD CDs for trade or sale Eric Funkhouser Fri 1/16/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 6:56 pm Subject: Ltd-edition Christopher Franke CD set for sale; various TD/Schulze CDs, etc! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jonathan Miller Hi everyone, I have the following CDs for sale, priced in UK pound sterling. Christopher Franke, 5 limited-edition 'Babylon 5' 'episodic' CDs containing music from the following single shows in its entire length: 'Severed Dreams'; 'A Late Delivery From Avalon'; 'Walkabout'; 'Shadows Dancing' & 'Z'Ha'Dum'. Ģ80 ono for the set. Tangerine Dream: 'Pergamon', 'Poland', 'Le Parc', 'Underwater Sunlight', 'Tyger' & 'Livemiles'; Castle Communications 1996 edition CDs, without sleeves; hence Ģ3.50 each, or Ģ15.00 the lot. Klaus Schulze: 'Royal Festival Hall Vol.1' & '...Vol.2', 'The essential 72-93' (Virgin); 'Goes Classic', 'Das Wagner Desaster', 'In Blue', Wahnfried 'Translation' (ZYX); 'Inter*Face' (Manikin), Ģ7.50 each, or Ģ45 the lot. 'Totentag' double (ZYX), Ģ10. Kraftwerk: 'Autobahn', 'The Mix' (EMI); US-edition 'Computer World', Ģ7.50 each, or Ģ15 the lot. Neuronium: 'Alma' (Tuxedo Music), unopened Mac-compatible enhanced compilation CD, Ģ10. Any interested parties should contact me via the details below: Best wishes and continued success with your future projects, jsm Jonathan Scott Miller mailto:jonathan@j... MOBILE: +44 (0)410 264815 TEL: +44 (0)1582 563377 FAX: +44 (0)1582 563377 'Snail Mail': JONATHAN MILLER PRODUCTIONS 159 Westmorland Avenue Leagrave Luton Bedfordshire LU3 2PT UK ============================================== ****** 'WORDS PAINT A THOUSAND PICTURES!' ****** ============================================== Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9974 Ltd-edition Christopher Franke CD set for sale; v Jonathan Miller Mon 1/12/1998 4 KB 10006 Ltd-edition Christopher Franke CD set for sale; v Jonathan Miller Tue 1/13/1998 4 KB 10216 Ltd-edition Christopher Franke CD set for sale; v Jonathan Miller Fri 1/23/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 9:46 pm Subject: Long Boxes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jim Moore Does anyone know if CD long boxes (those long cardboard cartons that CDs used to be packaged in) are of any value to anyone? I was cleaning up some stuff and came across about a dozen long- boxes from TD cd's I've purchased over the years... - jim 'Moving out... from the City of Love... to the Valley of Reason...' -- Dream Academy: 'The Lession of Love' 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9964 Re: Long Boxes *** Eduardo Nava D.C. *** Mon 1/12/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 9:44 pm Subject: Limited Release Babylon 5 CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jim Moore He's done it again: Included in the new Babylon 5 Encyclopedia CD-ROM, there is an enhanced CD entitled 'The Best of Babylon 5' by Chris Franke... Supposedly, it is a limited edition kind of thing... - jim 'Moving out... from the City of Love... to the Valley of Reason...' -- Dream Academy: 'The Lession of Love' 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 9:55 pm Subject: Re: Missing Digest ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-01-10 06:41:36 EST, you write: << ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm Not only did I receive the missing digest... it seems that my request was actually in it! Seems like I jumped the gun somewhat. I blame Dell for making me impatient! :-) >> Who, me? 8-) Actually, I have noticed several times when a reply to a question was in the line-up prior to the actual question. I think we discussed this before and concluded it may have something to do with the time differential depending on what area of the world the question is coming from. If the computer is on Greenwich then your comment would precede mine even tho we might be typing at the same time. Just like you had New Year's first! Could that be the answer? Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 10:06 pm Subject: North American tour ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm Hi gang, If it's true that you're only getting six dates for such a huge country, that's a shame. We had at least half a dozen, all of which could be driven to from the last in less than 2 hours, and the US must be fifty times bigger than the UK, at least. Looks like you should ask TD to do 300 dates. :-) I hope you all get the chance to go and see them, even if you only stay for the 1st half. Phenomenal. Lawry np - Underwater Sunlight (again!) :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 10:02 pm Subject: Re: Long Boxes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ' *** Eduardo Nava D.C. *** ' Jim, I use to put them in frame to create a wall picture of all my Fab Cd's portraits. This could be a good idea for you before giving them away. End. On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Jim Moore > > > Does anyone know if CD long boxes (those long cardboard cartons > that CDs used to be packaged in) are of any value to anyone? I > was cleaning up some stuff and came across about a dozen long- > boxes from TD cd's I've purchased over the years... > > - jim > > 'Moving out... from the City of Love... to the Valley > of Reason...' -- Dream Academy: 'The Lession of Love' > 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA > Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo > ------------------------------ Eduardo Nava D.C. | Oh! magia Nodo AcNet Monterrey | que te alimentas de la ignorancia, Tel/Ph: (+528) 150-1000 | permite que la tecnologia, E-mail: enava@a... | te recuerde con nostalgia!. SkyTel: 91-800-72-345 | PIN: 5551345 | ENDC95 ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 10:06 pm Subject: HTML in mails ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm Hi Dreamers, Just a quick request to all of the newer people on the list, not to anyone specifically. Please could you turn of HTML for your emails... it's not much fun reading a couple of lines of interesting stuff, only to have to work through a couple pages of html at the end. Also, when replying to messages, please cut out as much of the original message as possible. Just keep the relevent bits, and certainly don't send the whole message back to the list, especially not with all the headers etc still in place. No point in reading the same stuff 3-4 times. Right, gripes over.. welcome to the list. :-) Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 10:07 pm Subject: Talking during concerts! :-( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I am listening to some live material here (clearly an audience recording) and I am hearing distinct COINVERSATIONS going on. I mean chit-chat. Non-bloody-stop. Now I never understood this: why would you want to TALK during a concert? Why don't you stay the hell home, and have a chat on the couch? Huh? I don't mean audience participation. Hooting and hollering, stumping your feet, showing your pleasure and approval, cheering, even whistling (damn Americans) are all OK. In fact they make the 'liveliness' of the concert more real. But talking, fergoodnesakes. TALKING?? This is a warning: If you are near me at a TD concert and I hear you chit-chat without stop I will SMACK you. Hard. I am big enough, strong enough, and mean enough to do it. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 11, 1998 10:22 pm Subject: Re: Missing Digest ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: AOutland : Who, me? 8-) Actually, I have noticed several times when a reply to a : question was in the line-up prior to the actual question. I think we discussed : this before and concluded it may have something to do with the time : differential depending on what area of the world the question is coming from. : If the computer is on Greenwich then your comment would precede mine even tho : we might be typing at the same time. Just like you had New Year's first! Could : that be the answer? Dell In this case, there was no digest that night, the machine was down. His question was in the 'missing one' because the two days were merged. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 1:12 am Subject: NO TD: Flamewar (was Re: Who Tadream) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD At 11:35 9801.11 -0600, tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >At 12:54 PM 1/11/1998 GMT, Armin 'the pollster' Theissen wrote: >>ps: I hate the music of J.M.Jarre... (flame war???) >Why would there be a flamewar? You didn't say that the music is >bad, you only reported to us your personal preferences. :-) If you do want a Flamewar, I know of some guy who has set up a ML just for this purpose.....18 people (myself included) emailing invective and insults at each other.....all in good fun. The listizens are mostly from the Burning Man Mailing List and a bunch of neat people. INSTRUCTIONS: To subscribe to flamewar@g... send mail to autoshare@g... with 'sub flamewar' in the body of the mail. Pete mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way t hey decide on which instruments to take on the road. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9969 Re: NO TD: Flamewar (was Re: Who Tadream) Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 1/12/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 2:35 am Subject: Re: NO TD: Flamewar (was Re: Who Tadream) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 05:12 PM 1/11/1998 -0800, PENFOLD wrote: > > If you do want a Flamewar, I know of some guy who has set up a ML just for >this purpose.....18 people (myself included) emailing invective and insults >at each other.....all in good fun. > The listizens are mostly from the Burning Man Mailing List and a bunch of >neat people. This could be really good idea, since most of us are so thin-skinned. A bit of practice may do many of us some good. I still cringe (like last week) when I see a particularly nasty piece of post vomited my way. And I have been on the Internet for over 10 years. Maybe in the past handling flamewars was not a necessary skill. Oh, well....new times, new needs. Thanks for the pointer. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #159 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Georg Veltmann I'm interested in the following offerings: Klaus Schulze: 'Royal Festival Hall Vol.2', 'Das Wagner Desaster' Kraftwerk: 'Autobahn' How much are you asking for the three including posting? Regards Georg Veltmann ===================================================================== Georg Veltmann Daimler Benz AG, Research Center Ulm, F3M/T Address: P.O.box 23 60, 89013 Ulm, Germany Phone/Fax: ++49 731 505 2117/4113 Email: Georg.Veltmann@d... ===================================================================== Where is the wisdom we lost in knowledge, where is the knowledge we lost in information, where is the information we lost in data? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9971 Re: tadream-digest V16 #159 Georg Veltmann Mon 1/12/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #159 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Georg Veltmann Damm! I promised myself, I won't make that mistake. My last mail shouldn't go to the list. cheers Georg ===================================================================== Georg Veltmann Daimler Benz AG, Research Center Ulm, F3M/T Address: P.O.box 23 60, 89013 Ulm, Germany Phone/Fax: ++49 731 505 2117/4113 Email: Georg.Veltmann@d... ===================================================================== Where is the wisdom we lost in knowledge, where is the knowledge we lost in information, where is the information we lost in data? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 10:19 am Subject: Re: oh, crap ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > Ah, I see. The url is miramarUPX. Capitalization counts! > Nope! I got in using all smalls.. Colin p.s. Americans everywhere: The tour is on..but only on the Miramar site: tadream.com doesn't sya so! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 10:24 am Subject: Re: Who tadream? Me tadream?!? You tadream?!? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' > > Inactive on this list as I am more interested in what the up-and-coming > e-music artists are doing, so I spend my energies over on the GoldTri list. Got any hot tips..I could do with some new sources of music. Colin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 10:25 am Subject: Ltd-edition Christopher Franke CD set for sale; various TD/Schulze CDs, etc! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jonathan Miller Hi everyone, I have the following CDs for sale, priced in UK pound sterling. Christopher Franke, 5 limited-edition 'Babylon 5' 'episodic' CDs containing music from the following single shows in its entire length: 'Severed Dreams'; 'A Late Delivery From Avalon'; 'Walkabout'; 'Shadows Dancing' & 'Z'Ha'Dum'. Ģ80 ono for the set. Tangerine Dream: 'Pergamon', 'Poland', 'Le Parc', 'Underwater Sunlight', 'Tyger' & 'Livemiles'; Castle Communications 1996 edition CDs, without sleeves; hence Ģ3.50 each, or Ģ15.00 the lot. Klaus Schulze: 'Royal Festival Hall Vol.1' & '...Vol.2', 'The essential 72-93' (Virgin); 'Goes Classic', 'Das Wagner Desaster', 'In Blue', Wahnfried 'Translation' (ZYX); 'Inter*Face' (Manikin), Ģ7.50 each, or Ģ45 the lot. 'Totentag' double (ZYX), Ģ10. Kraftwerk: 'Autobahn', 'The Mix' (EMI); US-edition 'Computer World', Ģ7.50 each, or Ģ15 the lot. Neuronium: 'Alma' (Tuxedo Music), unopened Mac-compatible enhanced compilation CD, Ģ10. Any interested parties should contact me via the details below: Best wishes and continued success with your future projects, jsm Jonathan Scott Miller mailto:jonathan@j... MOBILE: +44 (0)410 264815 TEL: +44 (0)1582 563377 FAX: +44 (0)1582 563377 'Snail Mail': JONATHAN MILLER PRODUCTIONS 159 Westmorland Avenue Leagrave Luton Bedfordshire LU3 2PT UK ============================================== ****** 'WORDS PAINT A THOUSAND PICTURES!' ****** ============================================== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 6:03 pm Subject: talking ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Andrew J. Rozsa wrote: > > > >I am listening to some live material here (clearly an audience >recording) and I am hearing distinct COINVERSATIONS going on. I >mean chit-chat. Non-bloody-stop. > sorry for talking with my cousin on the Aachen Eurogress fan tape (Jan.21.1981) all the time. I remember the bootlegger next to me being quite annoyed at one stage. Sorry, I was just 14 years old... >This is a warning: If you are near me at a TD concert and I hear >you chit-chat without stop I will SMACK you. Hard. I am big >enough, strong enough, and mean enough to do it. > > you wouldn't smack a 14 year old, wearing glasses? cheers armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 11:07 am Subject: At Darwin's Motel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles Hi, Anyone any ideas what is being said/sung by the female voice in AD'sM? Some of it sound english, some not.. Also, any ideas who it is? My credits just mention the Royal Buckminster Choir who, I presume just do the bassy 'Aaarrgghh' bits. The 'voice' on Rising Haul is credited (not that I can remember what it sounds like at present!) but not Darwins.. Oh well! Colin (Boy, is DM a great album - not so sure about disk two though (Club dream mixes)) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 9, 1998 11:26 am Subject: Goldtri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Andy Garner Is the Goldtri list back up again? If so can someone let me know how to subscribe Thanks -- Andy Garner Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9991 Re: Goldtri Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 1/13/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 2:41 pm Subject: RE: Tour? TOUR? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Here everyone is practically booking their flights already, and we have >yet to confirm whether this tour is happening! I still can't get the >Miramar page to load...is the url www.miramarupx.com correct? Why does >the official page have nothing to say on the matter? I get the 'No DNS entry' message, but then try again and it works fine. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 2:35 pm Subject: Re: WEIRD LAWS #5 (fwd)/talking at concerts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean In resonse to your 'talking at concerts', see Chicago below: Oh well... I guess talking is permitted... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:37:16 -0500 (CDT) Surprise, they're baaaack!!! A few more obscure music laws...For you completists, 1-4 are available upon request... Pittsburgh, PENNSYLVANIA: It is illegal to tickle a girl under the chin with a feather duster in order to get her attention while she's sitting next to you at a concert. Charleston, SOUTH CAROLINA: Every women going to a concert must be found to be wearing a corset. A physician is required to inspect each female to ascertain whether she is, in fact, complying. Chicago, ILLINOIS: No person shall hallo, shout, bawl, scream, use profane language, dance, sing, WHOOP, quarrel, or make any unusual noise or sound while attending a concert, in such a manner as to disturb the peace and quiet of others in attendance. MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: Missing Digest ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' Could Somebody do me a huge favor and send me Digest 157? It was sent to me as an attachment and I cannot decode it. I cannot receive and read attachments unless they are .exe files. Much appreciated. Frank Stephen From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 2:50 pm Subject: D:Solo Week 31 - Jan. 12, 1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week we would like to hear comments on: Johannes Schmoelling - Der Zaubergeiger Settembrini AND/OR - Songs no Words --------------------------------------------------- Please make subject heading 'D:Der Zaubergeiger' or 'D:Sonds No Words' when replying. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 10:03 pm Subject: Jerome On The Radio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) >The TD web site got an update about Jerome's forthcoming host of a radio >show. Who will record it?? Hey great news!!! You can count on me to tape this onto DAT. I live in Berlin and can easily receive Radio Eins. I'll report back here on February 2nd with a summary of what happened... From what I've seen and heard, Jerome's musical taste and mine might be very close, at least he seems to have gotten a good starting dose of eighties british new wave. Now he seems to like trendy nineties music styles, yet stays away from the mainstream. At least I found his choice of 'Garbage', 'Portishead' and 'Kula Shaker' for his recent TV-DJ show excellent. Therefore I am looking forward to the show not only for the TD part, but also for the other stuff he might be playing. Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9989 Re: Jerome On The Radio Hilmar Kraft Tue 1/13/1998 4 KB 9993 Re: Jerome On The Radio Francisco Salgado C. Tue 1/13/1998 3 KB 10010 Jerome On The Radio Hilmar Kraft Tue 1/13/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 3:19 pm Subject: RE: Americans better read this.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' ><< pan am has flights to nyc for $ 99....reserve now.... > > tom w > >> > Does it snow in NY in March? If so, I would be a frozen lost lamb. If, >however, this turns out to be my only choice, would you be able to recommend a >hotel nearby? I've seen enough movies about NY cabbies not to take that kind >of chance! 8-) :-) I just got a zero-degree sleeping bag for Xmas, so I'll be camping out in DC whatever the weather! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 4:46 pm Subject: RE: Copyrigth Law and tape trading ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I wonder about the validity of this: >It's at this point you find out that the tapers, artists that they are, >hold a copyright for their master tapes of your performance. After all, >they weren't your employees when they made the recording. It's their >tape. Now, they can't sell copies of their tape because their tape >contains material that YOU have copyrighted, i.e., your songs, your >performance. But you can't sell THEIR tape without getting the rights >to their master tapes. You ask them, and because they are extremely First of all, I'd question anyone claiming to be an authority on copyright who can't spell the word right! :-) But seriously, I doubt this guys even a lawyer. I've studied US copyright law as it applies to bootlegging & taping, and tapers DO NOT own a copyright on the tapes they've made, since what they've made is a COPY of of copyrighted material. It's the same as if you videotaped a TV show. You are allowed to do so under US law, but that doesn't give you ownership of the rights on that copy. You own the tape, of course, but you hold no rights to what's reproduced on that tape. The courts have already decided this one. Regarding fan taping, bands that allow this (e.g. Phish, moe, The Dead) have granted those holding tapers' section tickets a license to reproduce the show. The artist usually retains ALL rights to the performance, including reproducing it for profit. The source of the tapes doesn't matter, if the taper has consented to let the artist use the tapes. RE: the legality of bootlegs, there are few cut-and-dried rules regarding this. In the past, stores that sell them and people that own them are not subject to prosecution, and such recordings are not subject to seizure, since the action that is forbidden the COPYING. Live taping, even without permission, is legal! The VENUES usually forbid it, which is their prerogative, but taping for personal is legal under the 'Fair Use' clause. Or you can think of yourself as a freelance journalist and you're taping the show to use as a reference for review purposes. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 5:09 pm Subject: RE: Discussion threads ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' And I thought _I_ was long winded! Quoth Lars: >There are a number of questions that need to be raised as we start thinking >about discussing the live material: The easiest thing to do would be to discuss only boots, since there are several tapes that differ not a whit, like Paris '86 and Cologne '86, or just about anything from '92. Of course, there are those who own no boots, but lots of tapes (i.e., me!) I know many of my tapes are from boots, but I have a lot that aren't, or are from a booted show, but are from a different source. So maybe the best, most inclusive way would be to go tour-by-tour, and include the one-off shows (e.g. Dresden '83, Fasbinder Memorial, etc.) Perhaps we could group all the pre-'74 tapes/boots together, since there are so few of them, and they're not all that popular. Here's a tour & one-off list: Pre-'74 6/16/74 Victoria Palace, London 8/18/74 Chichester UK tour '74 12/13/74 Rheims Australia tour '75 4/2/75 Royal Albert Hall, London 8/16/75 Paris Euro tour '75 1/26/76 Paris 2/9/76 Brussels 2/11/76 Amsterdam 6/5/76 Manchester 6/7/76 London 6/10/76 Brighton 6/27/76 Berlin Euro tour '76 North American tour '77 Euro tour '78 1/31/80 Berlin Euro tour '80 11/22/80 Santa Monica Euro tour '81 8/29/81 Berlin UK tour '81 11/1/81 Edgar on radio 11/11/81 Gelsenkirchen Australia tour '82 Euro tour '82 6/11/83 Frankfurt (Fassbinder Mem.) Japan tour '83 11/26/83 Dresden 6/84 Athens Euro tour '86 NA tour '86 8/1/87 Berlin NA tour '88 2/20/90 Berlin UK tour '90 NA tour '92 7/12/95 Los Angeles 11/30/96 London Euro tour '97 UK tour '97 NA tour '98 Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 5:13 pm Subject: Re: Ltd-edition Christopher Franke CD set for sale; variousTD/Schulze CDs, etc! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-12 05:36:20 EST, you write: << Christopher Franke, 5 limited-edition 'Babylon 5' 'episodic' CDs containing music from the following single shows in its entire length: 'Severed Dreams'; 'A Late Delivery From Avalon'; 'Walkabout'; 'Shadows Dancing' & 'Z'Ha'Dum'. Ģ80 ono for the set. >> i'm a firm believer in the capitalist way of life, but these are all available on the sonic images site for $ 10.98 each.... tom w np: kw chicago 1975 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 9:00 pm Subject: TD LIVE TAPE LIST, Version 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers Here is the td live tape list that I promised. With a few exceptions (ie: Logotypes), this list contains only the live dates for which tapes are known to exist and the length of the longest tape of which I know; it generally does not contain official releases, unreleased soundtracks and broadcast material, or interviews. A list of correspondences between live concerts and some bootlegs will follow shortly. The information herein derives from my own collection and from tapes/boots that I know to exist but do not own. This list contains material not found in Voices (and in some cases corrects material there) but it does not derive from Voices. For more complete information please consult Voices in the Dunes and/or Mysterious Semblance (information on boots can also be found in The Dream Lives On!). I give readers permission to reproduce my list freely as long as appropriate credit to me is given. ;-) ciao Lars (to those uninterested in new music, my apologies for the long post ;-) Please address corrections, supplements, complaints, etc. to me off-list --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- ---> A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF TANGERINE DREAM LIVE TAPES <--- copyright 1998 by Lars Jones version 1 January 12, 1998 please send corrections, additions to: 105411.3107@c... Format: Month.Day.Year City (Venue) Time (Medium of original source) Original sources: Au = audience; SB = soundboard; FM, TV = broadcast; Vid. = Video --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- ---- 1970 ---- ----- Misc. Dates ----- 1970 Berlin (broadcast) 15 min. (FM) Interview + 'Ultima Thule' outtake ---- 1971 ---- ----- Misc. Dates ----- .71 Berlin (broadcast) 9 min. (FM) 'Ard-Jugendmagazin' with 'Ultima Thule' outtake 6.?.71 Ossiach (Welt-Musik Festival) 8 min. (Au) 'Ozillator Planet Konzert' 6.19.71 Frankfurt (Frankfurt University) 45 min. (FM) ---1972---- ----- Misc. Dates ----- .72/.73? Unknown location - live 35 min. (SB) .72 Berlin (RIAS FM) 20 min. (FM) 'Klangcollage' show 11.25.72 Cologne (WDR-FM 'Klangwald') 45 min. (FM) (NB: the entry in 'Voices' for this date is incorrect) ----1973---- ----- Misc. Dates ----- [.73 Unknown location -- see .72 / .73 Unknown location] 5.25.73 Ponts de Ce 84 min. (Au) 11.29.73 Berlin (RIAS FM) 45 min. (FM) 'Deutsch Rock -Music portraits von der Inlandscene' ----1974---- ----- Misc. Dates, Part 1 ----- .74 Unknown concert fragment 8 min. (Au) 8.18.74 Chichester (Festival Theatre) 31 min. (Au) 8.22.74 London (BBC Studios) 23 min. (FM) 'Oedipus Tyrannus' from Chichester Festiveal [see also 8.29.74] 8.29.74 London (BBC Studios) 24 min. (FM) 'Oedipus Tyrannos' from Chichester Festival [see also 8.22.74] 10.13.74 Berlin (Nationalgalerie) 55 min. (FM) Part 1: 'Metamusik Festival' (36 min.); Part 2: 'Conversations' (19 min.) ----- UK Tour ----- 10.29.74 Sheffield (City Hall) 44min. (Au) 10.30.74 Birmingham (Town Hall) 90 min. (Au) 11.2.74 Liverpool (Liverpool Stadium) 90 min. (Au) 11.20.74 Glasgow (Kelvin Hall) 85 min. (Au) 11.26.74 Bradford (St. George's Hall) 51 min. (Au) -- Misc. Dates, Part 2 --- 12.13.74 Rheims (Cathedral) 85 min (Au) 65 min. (FM) Broadcast 27 min. (Au) (2nd source encores) 17 min. (FM) (Broadcast Interview & Encore) ----1975---- ----- Australian Tour ----- 3.13.75 Melbourne (Dallas Brooks Hall) 84 min. (Au) 3.25.75 Adelaide (Festival Hall) 87 min. (Au) ----- Misc. Dates ----- 4.2.75 London (Royal Albert Hall) 115 min. (FM + transcription tapes) ?6.27.75 Berlin (unknown concert?) 30 min. (FM)? 8.16.75 Orange (Festival Pop d'Orange, Theatre Antique et Gymnase) 59 min. (Au) 9.23.75 Reims (Opera House) 85 min. (Au) ---- UK Tour ----- 10.4.75 Coventry (Cathedral) 96 min. (Au) 10.5.75 Bristol (Colston Hall) 70 min. (Au) 2nd source 45 min. (Au) 10.12.75 Birmingham (Town Hall) 109 min. (Au) 10.16.75 Liverpool (Cathedral) 100 min (Au) Encore 20 min. (Au) 10.17.75 Glasgow (City Hall) 85 min. (Au) 10.20.75 York (Minster) 84 min (Au) 10.22.75 London (Olympia) 31 min. (Au) 10.23.75 Croyden (Fairfield Hall) 63 min. (Au) ----1976---- ----- Misc. Dates ----- 1.23.76 Paris (Palais du Sport) 107 min. (Au) 1.26.76 Paris (same as 1.23.76) 2.9.76 Brussels (Jansen University) 109 min (Au) 2.11.76 Amsterdam RAI Congresscentrum 91 min. (Au) 5.23.76 Germany (broadcast) 45 min. (TV) 'Signale aus der Swäbischen Strasse' (interview + unreleased music) 6.5.76 Manchester (Free Trade Hall) 112 min. (Au) 6.7.76 London (Royal Albert Hall) 103 min (Au) 6.10.76 Brighton (The Dome) 85 min. (Au) 6.27.76 Berlin (Philharmonic, SFB-Radio) 33 min. (FM) ----- European Tour ----- 10.20.76 Hannover (Stadthalle) 107min. (Au) 10.21.76 Dusseldorf (Philipshalle) 74 min (Au) 10.27.76 Munich (Circus Krone Bau) 91 min. (Au) 11.3.76 Edinburgh (Odeon) ) 83 min. (Au) 11.8.76 Nottingham (Usher Hall) 90 min. (Au) 11.9.76 Portsmouth (Guild Hall) 90 min. (Au) 11.13.76 Leeds (University) 110 min. (Au) 11.14.76 Croydon (Fairfield Hall) 75 min. (Au) 11.15.76 Manchester (Free Trade Center) 58 min. (Au) 11.16.76 Brussels (L'Ancienne Belgigue) 91 min. (Au) 11.22.76 Paris (Palais du Sport) 109 min (Au) [11.26.76 Brussels see 11.16.76 Brussels] 11.28.76 Toulouse (Centre Culturel) 89 min. (Au) ----1977---- ----- North American Tour ----- 3.29.77 Milwaukee (Riverside Theatre) 80 min. (Au) [3.30.77 Detroit see 3.31.77 Detroit] 3.31.77 Detroit (Ford Auditorium) 103 min. (Au) 4.2.77 Cleveland (Music Hall) 82min (Au) 4.4.77 Washington DC (Lisner Auditorium) 110 min. (FM + Au) 4.5.77 New York (Avery Fisher Hall) 130 minutes (Au) 2nd source 85 min. (Au) [4.9.77 Montreal see 4.10.77 Montreal? -- NB: TD did play both days] 4.10.77 Montreal (Place des Arts & CHOM-FM) 109 min. (FM) 4.11.77 Quebec City (Hilton Convention Center) 97 min. (Au) 4.21.77 Seattle (Paramount Theater) 88 min. (Au) 4.26.77 Santa Monica (Santa Monica Civic Auditorium) 109 min. (Au) 7.12.77 Los Angeles (Greek Theatre) 91 min. (Au) 8.4.77 (?) Toronto (Convocation Hall) 91 min. (Au) (does not duplicate another known 1977 show) ----1978---- ----- European Tour ----- 2.19.78 Berlin (Eissporthalle) 135 min. (Au) 2.24.78 Hamburg (Audimax) 45 min. (Au) 2.25.78 Dusseldorf (Philipshalle) 90 min. (Au) 3.1.78 Nantes (Palais de la Beaujoire) 120 min. (Au) 3.12.78 Valencia (Pabellon Deportiro Marcol) 35 min. (Au) 3.13.78 Barcelona (Nueva Pabellon de Barcelona) 50 min. (Au) 3.23.78 Newcastle (City Hall) 80 min. (Au) 3.24.78 Glasgow (Apollo City Hall) 113min. (Au) 3.25.78 Manchester (Apollo City Hall) 60 min (Au) 3.26.78 Liverpool (Empire) 110 min. (Au) 3.28.78 London (Hammersmith Odeon) 100 min. (Au) ---- 1979 ---- All dates cancelled ----1980 ---- ----- Misc. Dates, Part 1 ----- 1.31.80 E. Berlin (Palast der Republik) 71 min (FM + Au?) Afternoon Show 1.31.80 E. Berlin (Palast der Republik) 100 min. (FM+Au?) Evening Show ----- European Tour ----- 10.13.80 Brussels (Cirque Royale) 120 min. (Au) 10.15.80 Dusseldorf (Philipshalle) 107 min. (Au) 10.16.80 Hamburg (Congress Center) 110 min. (Au) 10.17.80 Luxembourg (Centre Sportif) 46 min. (Au) 10.23.80 Bologna (Palasport) 110 min. (Au) 11.1.80 Dublin (National Stadium) 110 min. (Au) 11.2.80 Newcastle (City Hall) 113 min. (Au) 11.5.80 Preston (Guild Hall) 116 min. (Au) 11.6.80 Derby (Assembly Rooms) 108 min. (Au) 11.7.80 Birmingham (Odeon) 112 min. (Au) 11.8.80 Manchester (Apollo City Hall) 90 min. (Au) (NB: 15 min. encores on some 105 min versions are false) 11.9.80 London (Victoria Apollo) 109 min. (Au) 11.10.80 London (Victoria Apollo) 110 min. (Au) 11.12.80 Oxford (New Theatre) 106 min. (Au) 11.15.80 Liverpool (Royal Court) 110 min. (Au) ----- Misc. Dates, Part 2 ----- 11.20.80 San Francisco (Warfield Theater) 37 min. (FM + Au) (FM broadcast of fan tape excerpt) 11.22.80 Santa Monica (Santa Monica Civic Auditorium) 105 min. (Au) ----1981---- ----- European Tour ----- 1.21.81 Aachen (Eurogress) 114min. (Au) 1.24.81 Hannover (Eilenriedehalle) 105 min. (Au) 1.26.81 Berlin (Internationales Congress Centrum) 110 min. (Au) 1.30.81 Frankfurt (Jahrhunderthalle) 110 min. (Au) 2.2.81 Paris (Bataclan Palace) 110 min. (Au) 2.6.81 Rome (Palasport) 86 min. (Au) 2.7.81 Cantu (Palasport Piarelli) 105 min. (Au) 2.8.81 Florence (Apollo Theatre) 105 min. (Au) 1st show 2.8.81 Florence (Apollo Theatre) 112 min. (Au) 2nd Show 2.??.81 Cucciago (?) 84 min. (Au) ----- Misc. Dates, Part 1 ----- 5.??.81 Rome (RAI-1) 28 min. (TV) Interview with EF & CF+unreleased music from 1980-81 tour 8.29.81 Berlin (Platz der Republik) 102 min (Au) 9.12.81 Berlin (see 12.9.81 Berlin) ----- UK Tour ----- 10.??.81 Two sound checks from UK tour 46 min. (Au) 10.15.81 Oxford (New Theatre) 109 min. (Au) 10.16.81 Portsmouth (Guild Hall) 90 min. (Au) 10.17.81 Brighton (Brighton Dome) 90 min. (Au) 10.20.81 London (Hammersmith Odeon) 111min. (Au) 10.22.81 Sheffield (City Hall) 88 min. (Au) 10.24.81 Manchester (Apollo Theatre) 112 min. (Au) 10.25.81 Newcastle (City Hall) 110 min. (Au) 10.26.81 Edinburgh (Usher Hall) 112 min. (Au) 10.27.81 Glasgow (Apollo City Hall) 90 min. (Au) 10.28.81 Preston (Guild Hall) 119 min. (Au) 10.29.81 Liverpool (Royal Court) 114 min. (Au) ----- Misc. Dates ----- 11.11.81 Gelsenkirchen (WDR-FM) 24 min. (FM) 'Music Theater im Gemeindezentrum Lukaskirche' 12.9.81 Munich (Circus Krone 'Klassic-Rock-Nacht') 31 min. (TV) ('Mojave Plan' with orchestra) -----1982---- ----- Misc. Dates ----- .82 Berlin (Polygon Studios?) 85 min. (studio master tape) or 11.15.82 Berlin (International Congress Centrum? ) (aka Logostypes) ----- Australian Tour ----- 2.22.82 Sydney (Regent Theatre) 120 min. (FM) 3.1.82 Melbourne (Dallas Brooks Hall) 70 min. (Au) ----- European Tour ----- 10.??.82 Unknown (UK?); 90 min. (SB) 10.17.82 Vienna (Kurhalle Oberlaa-- Konzerthaus) 104 min. (Au) 10.19.82 Budapest (Sports Hall) 84 min. (Au) 1st show 10.19.82 Budapest (Sports Hall) 84 min. (Au) 2nd show 10.27.82 Frankfurt (Alte Oper) 105 min. (Au) 10.29.82 Glasgow (Apollo City Hall) 92 min. (Au) 10.30.82 Derby (Assembly Rooms) 138 min. (Au) 10.31.82 Croyden (Fairfield Hall) 104 min. (Au) 11.1.82 Manchester (Apollo City Hall) 110 min. (Au) 11.2.82 Bristol (Colston Hall) 90 min. (Au) 11.3.82 Oxford (Apollo City Hall) 103 min. (Au) 11.4.82 Sheffield (City Hall) 111 min. (Au) 11.5.82 Birmingham (Town Hall) 135min. (Au) 11.6.82 London (Dominion) 118 min. (Au) sound check 45 min. (Au) 11.8.82 Brussels (Vrije University) 108 min. (Au) 11.10.82 Mannheim (Rosengarten) 89min. (Au) 11.11.82 Dusseldorf (Phillipshalle) 110 min. (Au) 11.12.82 Munich (Circus Krone Bau) 111 min. (Au) [11.15.82 Berlin (ICC) / Logotypes see .82 Berlin)] 11.15.82 Berlin (Internationales Congres Centrum) 110 min. (Au) -----1983---- ----- Misc. Dates, Part 1 ----- 6.11.83 Frankfurt (Alte Oper) 36 min. (Au) (NB: fan tape has material not on Fassbinder EP) ----- Japanese Tour ----- 6.23.83 Tokyo (Kohseinenkin Hall) 109 min. (Au) 6.25.83 Tokyo (Nakano Sun Plaza Hall) 104 min. (Au) 6.28.83 Osaka (Festival Hall) 110 min. (Au) ----- Misc. Dates, Part 2 ----- 11.26.83 Dresden (Hygienemuseum, Kongress Saal) 115 min. (Au) 12.10.83 Warsaw (Ice Stadium) 86 min. (Au) 1st show 12.10.83 Warsaw (Ice Stadium) 90 min. (FM) 2nd show --- 1984 --- ----- Misc. Dates ----- 6.??.84 Athens (Lycabettus Theater) 91 min. (TV) (rebroadcast of concert) --- 1985 --- No live dates ----1986---- ----- European Tour ----- 3.9.86 Leicester (De Montford Hall) 93 min. (Au) 3.10.86 Sheffield (City Hall) 110 min. (Au) 3.11.86 Newcastle (City Hall) 98 min. (Au) 3.12.86 Edinburgh (Playhouse) 122 min. (Au) 3.13.86 Preston (Guild Hall) 107 min. (Au) 3.14.86 Manchester (Apollo City Hall) 114 min. (Au) 3.16.86 Croyden (Fairfield Hall) 112 min. (Au) 3.17.86 Birmingham (Odeon) 110 min. (FM) 3.18.86 Hanley (Victoria Hall) 110 min. (Au) 3.19.86 Liverpool (Royal Court) 106 min. (Au) 3.20.86 Bradford (Saint Georges Hall) 120 min. (Au) 3.21.86 Harrogate (The Centre) 110min (Au) 3.22.86 Nottingham (Royal Court Hall) 111 min. (Au) 3.23.86 Lincoln (Ritz Theatre) 101 min. (Au) 3.24.86 Brighton (The Dome) 105 min. (Au) 3.26.86 Oxford (Apollo Theatre) 107 min. (Au) 3.27.86 London (Hammersmith Odeon) 105 min. (Au) 3.29.86 Cologne (Sendesaal & WDR-FM 'Nachtmusic') 103 min. (FM) 3.31.86 Paris (Olympique) 76 min. (FM) ----- North American Tour ----- 5.30.86 Vancouver BC (Expo '86 Open Air Theatre) 105 min. (Au) 5.31.86 Seattle (Paramount Theatre) 120 min. (Au) 6.1.86 Portland (Arlene Schnitzler Auditorium) 111 min. (Au) 6.??.86 Unknown location 60 min. (Au) 'mystery concert' + 'rare' tracks 6.3.86 San Francisco (Warfield Theater) 103 min. (Au) 6.5.86 Los Angeles (Universal City Ampitheatre) 112 min. (Au) 6.6.86 Irvine / Laguna Hills (Irvine Meadows Ampitheater) 109 min (Au) 6.7.86 Mesa (Mesa Amphitheatre) 5 min. (SB) 6.8.86 Albuquerque (Kiva Convention Center) 106 min. (Au) MC 4 min. (SB) 6.11.86 Denver (Paramount Theater) 90min (Au) 6.13.86 Kansas City (Bonner Springs Sandstone Ampitheatre) 109 min. (Vid) 6.15.86 Chicago (Riviera Theater) 84 min (Au) 6.17.86 Milwaukee (Oriental Theater) 105 min. (Au) 6.19.86 Montreal (Place des Arts) 111 min. (Au) 6.20.86 Ottawa (National Arts Center) 111 min. (Au) 6.21.86 Toronto (Massey Hall) 117 min. (Au) 6.23.86 Rochester (Meadowbrooks Music Festival) 113 min. (Au) 6.24.86 Cleveland (Music Hall) 100 min. (Au) 6.25.86 Philadelphia (Tower Theater) 104 min. (Au) 6.26.86 Boston (Orpheum Theater) 90 min (Au) 6.27.86 Providence (Performing Arts Center) 110 min. (2 sources) 6.28.86 New York (The Beacon Theater) 120 min. (Au) 6.29.86 Washington DC (Warner Theater) 120 min. (Au) 2nd source 90 min. (Au) ----1987---- ----- Misc. Dates ----- .87 OST: Canyon Dreams 45 min. (studio master tape) (demo or rejected soundtrack material) [7.1.87 Berlin see 8.1.87 Berlin] 8.1.87 Berlin (Reichstag) 138 min (FM transcription tapes?) rebroadcasts with interviews: 8.23.87 & 10.22.87 ----1988---- ----- North American Tour ----- 8 or 9.??.88 unknown location 5 min. (SB) 'House of the Rising Sun' 8.25.88 Chicago (Hoffman Estates Poplar Creek Music Theater) 110 min. (Au) 8.26.88 Milwaukee (Riverside Theater) 110min. (Au) 8.28.88 Columbus (Ohio Theater) 97 min. (Au) 8.30.88 Cleveland (Nautica Stage) 110 min. (Au) 8.31.88 Detroit (Pine Knob Theatre) 106 min. (Au) 9.1.88 Toronto (Massey Hall) 122 min. (Au) 9.2.88 Montreal (La Ronde) 105 min. (Au) 9.3.88 Quebec City (L'Agora) 110 min. (Au) 9.6.88 Boston (Somerville Theater) 109 min. (Au) (NB: this is not Spherical Harmonics source) 9.7.88 New York (Radio City Music Hall) 113 min. (Au) 9.8.88 Washington DC (Kennedy Center) 120 min. (Au) 9.9.88 New Haven (Palace Center) 115 min. (SB?) (NB: this is Spherical Harmonics source) 9.10.88 Philadelphia (Tower Theater) 116 min. (Au) 9.14.88 Sarasota (Van Wezel Audiotorium) 94 min. (Au) 9.15.88 Miami (Cameo Theater) 91 min. (Au) 9.16.88 New Orleans (McAlistair Auditorium) 110 min. (Au) 9.18.88 Dallas (Starplex Amphitheater) 115 min. (Au) 9.21.88 San Diego (Auditorium) 110 min. (Au) 9.22.88 Los Angeles (Wiltern Theater) 110 min. (Au) 9.23.88 Los Angeles (Wiltern Theater) 110 min. (Au) 9.24.88 Berkeley (Berkeley Community Theater) 105 min. (Au) 9.27.88 Seattle (Paramount Theatre) 120 min. (Au) 9.28.88 Vancouver (Queen Elizabeth Hall) 113 min. (Au) ----1989---- ----- Misc. Dates ----- 2.23.89 Schwingungen 90 min (FM) Interview + unreleased music ----1990---- ----- Misc. Dates ----- 2.20.90 Berlin (Werner-Seelenbinder Halle) 106 min. (FM) ----- UK Tour ----- 10.25.90 Worthing (Assembly Hall) 117 min. (Au) 10.26.90 London (Hammersmith Odeon) 118 min. (Au) 2nd source 45 min. (Au) 10.27.90 London (Hammersmith Odeon) 104 min (Au) 2nd source 104 min. (Au) 10.28.90 Manchester (Apollo) 122 min. (Au) 10.29.90 Nottingham (Royal Center) 110 min. (Au) 10.30.90 Sheffield (City Hall) 100 min. (Au) 10.31.90 Edinburgh (Playhouse) 70 min. (Au) 11.2.90 Bradford (St. George's Hall) 115 min. (Au) 11.3.90 Wolverhampton (Civic Hall) 119 min. (Au) 11.4.90 Oxford (Apollo City Hall) 84 min. (Au) 11.6.90 Bristol (Colston Hall) 110 min. (Au) --- 1991 --- No live dates ----1992---- ----- North American Tour ----- 1992 N. American Tour (unknown venue) 16 min. (Au) 10.4.92 Toronto (Music Hall) 60 min. (Au) 10.5.92 Montreal (Salle Wilfrid-Pelletier / Place des Arts) 120 min. (Au) 10.8.92 Boston (Berklee Performing Arts Center) 135 min. (Au) (includes FM interview) 10.9.92 New York (The Beacon Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.10.92 Philadelphia (Tower Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.13.92 Washington DC (Lisner Auditorium) 125 min. (Au) 10.14.92 Columbus (Palace Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.15.92 Baltimore (Shriver Hall) 120 min. (TV) 10.16.92 Highland Heights, Ohio (Front Row Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.17.92 Chicago (Old Vic Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.20.92 Detroit (Fox Theatre) 120 min. (TV) 10.28.92 San Juan Capistrano (Coach House) 120 min. (Au) 10.30.92 Los Angeles (Wiltern Theatre) 116 min. (TV) 11.01.92 Ventura (Ventura Theater) 120 min. (Au) --- 1993 ---- no live dates ---- 1994 ---- no live dates ----1995---- ----- Misc. Dates ----- 7.12.95 Los Angeles (SIR Theatre) 45 min. (Au + Vid) 'Xsess Living Magazine' premiere (CDR) ----1996---- ----- Misc. Dates ----- 11.30.96 London (Shepherd's Bush Empire Theatre) 35 min. (Au) (soundcheck) 11.30.96 London (Shepherd's Bush Empire Theatre) 153 min. (3 sources) ----1997---- ----- European Tour ----- ?? 4.9.97 Vienna (Museumsquartier) 140 min. (Au) ?? 4.10.97 Stuttgart (Philharmonie) 140 min. (Au) 4.11.97 Bonn (Beethovenhalle) 135 min. (Au) 4.12.97 Munich (Circus Krone Bau) 140 min. (Au) 4.13.97 Erlangen (Stadthalle) 140 min. (Au) 4.15.97 Hamburg (Musikhalle) 140 min. (Au) 4.16.97 Berlin (Hochschule der Kuenste) 170 min. (Au) ??4.17.97 Hannover (Musikhalle) 140 min. (Au) 4.18.97 Frankfurt/Neu-Isenberg (Hugenottenhalle) 150 min (Au + Vid) 4.19.97 Brussels (Ancienne Belgique) 140 min. (Au+Vid.) 4.20.97 Amsterdam (Melkweg Max) 143 min. (Au) 3 sources ??4.22.97 Budapest (Petofi Csarnok) 4.23.97 Zabrze (Dom Muziki I Tanca) 60 min (SB) 'modern' set released officially as 'Tournado' ??4.24.97 Prague (Sky Club) 6.13.97 Warsaw (Ice Stadium) 60 min. (FM) Vintage set rebroadcast 6.19.97 ----- UK Tour ----- 10.29.97 Bristol (Colston Hall) 140 min. (Au) 10.31.97 Nottingham (Usher Hall) 140 min. (Au) 11.1.97 Glasgow (Royal Concert Hall) 140 min. (Au) 11.2.97 Leeds (Town and Country Club) 140 min. (Au) 11.3.97 Birmingham (Symphony Hall) 140 min. (Au) 11.4.97 Manchester (Apollo City Hall) 140 min. (Au) 11.6.97 London (Shepherd's Bush Empire) 140 min. (Au) ---- 1998 ---- ----- North American Tour ----- [3.27.98 New York (Irving Plaza)] [3.28.98 Washington DC (9:30 Club??)] [4.1.98 Los Angeles (The Palace)] [4.3.98 San Francisco (Maritime Hall)] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9988 Re: TD LIVE TAPE LIST, Version 1 TWeibre361 Tue 1/13/1998 2 KB 9995 Re: TD LIVE TAPE LIST, Version 1 Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 1/13/1998 3 KB 10003 Re: TD LIVE TAPE LIST, Version 1 Lars R. Jones Tue 1/13/1998 4 KB 10024 Re: TD LIVE TAPE LIST, Version 1 Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 1/14/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 10:04 pm Subject: Re: TD LIVE TAPE LIST, Version 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-12 16:05:54 EST, you write: << ---- 1998 ---- ----- North American Tour ----- [3.27.98 New York (Irving Plaza)] [3.28.98 Washington DC (9:30 Club??)] [4.1.98 Los Angeles (The Palace)] [4.3.98 San Francisco (Maritime Hall)] >> its nice to be an optimist, but arent u jumping the gun?????? tom w np: la 95...(thx) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 10:50 pm Subject: RE: Jerome On The Radio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Hi gang, I hope we can rely on our 'tape happy' co-members to distribute this lil gem? Hint, hint, wink wink! Chris ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 10:03 AM To: tadream@c... Subject: Jerome On The Radio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) >The TD web site got an update about Jerome's forthcoming host of a radio >show. Who will record it?? Hey great news!!! You can count on me to tape this onto DAT. I live in Berlin and can easily receive Radio Eins. I'll report back here on February 2nd with a summary of what happened... From what I've seen and heard, Jerome's musical taste and mine might be very close, at least he seems to have gotten a good starting dose of eighties british new wave. Now he seems to like trendy nineties music styles, yet stays away from the mainstream. At least I found his choice of 'Garbage', 'Portishead' and 'Kula Shaker' for his recent TV-DJ show excellent. Therefore I am looking forward to the show not only for the TD part, but also for the other stuff he might be playing. Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 10:46 pm Subject: Discussion Threads ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm Hi dreamers, As Vic is due to finish the current round of discussions, I'm putting myself forward as a volunteer to take the helm for the next round, unless anyone objects of course. :-) However, we are going to need some topics to discuss, so please do send your ideas to the list, and the most popular ones will be chosen. There are 400 people on this list, so I'm sure there are many topics waiting to be discussed. Please put them on the floor. :-) Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9998 Discussion Threads Lawrysimm Tue 1/13/1998 3 KB 10004 Discussion Threads Lars R. Jones Tue 1/13/1998 8 KB 10007 Re: Discussion Threads Vic Rek Tue 1/13/1998 3 KB 10008 Re: Discussion Threads Plumer, Scott Tue 1/13/1998 5 KB 10009 Re: Discussion Threads KRAUSENECKS Tue 1/13/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 10:49 pm Subject: Re: Goldtri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 11:26 AM 1/9/1998 +0000, Andy Garner wrote: >Is the Goldtri list back up again? Alive and well, indeed.... > >If so can someone let me know how to subscribe Send an email message to: majordomo@a... with the following command in the body of your email message: subscribe goldtri your@m... Elana reviews all subscriptions requests and then she lets you in. See you there, Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 6:29 pm Subject: Re: Copyrigth Law and tape trading ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > I wonder about the validity of this: > >>It's at this point you find out that the tapers, artists that they are, >>hold a copyright for their master tapes of your performance. After all, >>they weren't your employees when they made the recording. It's their >>tape. Now, they can't sell copies of their tape because their tape >>contains material that YOU have copyrighted, i.e., your songs, your >>performance. But you can't sell THEIR tape without getting the rights >>to their master tapes. You ask them, and because they are extremely > > First of all, I'd question anyone claiming to be an authority on > copyright who can't spell the word right! :-) But seriously, I doubt > this guys even a lawyer. I've studied US copyright law as it applies to > bootlegging & taping, and tapers DO NOT own a copyright on the tapes > they've made, since what they've made is a COPY of of copyrighted > material. I'm not a lawyer but my view (and understanding) of this is: An original work is entitled to copyright by the maker of that work. There are three different original works involved in a live tape recording. One is composition: music score, lyrics etc. Another one is the performance: the actual sounds, result of the interpretation of that score at a giving moment ( studio recording or live performance) The third original work is the techcnical translation of those sounds, into a recording , using mics, pre amps, amps. EQ consoles, mixing consoles and recording equipment, ( and , yes, the technical abilities of the recording artist) What this lawyer says is: the recording artist own the copyright for this original work. And I think he is correct. He says it cannot be sold because the recording artist doesn't own the copyright of the other two original items ( nor any license) but the same applies for the band. The band cannot use a recording made by a taper without having a license from the recording artist. ---Francisco P.D. ... and I believe he is a lawyer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 12, 1998 6:32 pm Subject: Re: Jerome On The Radio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) > > >The TD web site got an update about Jerome's forthcoming host of a radio > >show. Who will record it?? > > Hey great news!!! You can count on me to tape this onto DAT. Hilmar, do you know whether this radio also broadcasted by Astra ? -francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 6:19 am Subject: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS I've aquired a few copies of this quite rare box set release if anyone needs one. It's titled Electronic Orgy (I know I know, wait until you see the cover!) What is it?----A 4-cd collection of TD's rarest singles, tracks, solo doings, remixes, and soundtrack themes. How long is it?----there are 4 disks, each with over 70 minutes of music! How is the sound quality?----Well, I'm quite a stickler for SQ.....I give this guy a 10. The tracks are all obviously remastered and sound fantastic. Can I have a track listing?----are you crazy? There are about 70 tracks or so!! What's on the cover?----don't ask...trust me on this. Besides, I wouldn't want to spoil the surprise. How can I get one?----I have only a few.....so if you are interested you can email me for more info. That's all folks. I give this compilation a very high recommendation for those of you looking for all of those rarity tracks and are audiophiles. Regards, Captain Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9996 Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) Patric Donaghy Tue 1/13/1998 2 KB 9999 Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) Christian von Toerne Tue 1/13/1998 2 KB 10000 Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) feldon@p... Tue 1/13/1998 4 KB 10002 Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Tue 1/13/1998 4 KB 10011 Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) Elias Granillo, Jr. Tue 1/13/1998 4 KB 10012 Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) Elias Granillo, Jr. Tue 1/13/1998 4 KB 10014 Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) DJS Tue 1/13/1998 3 KB 10015 Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) DJS Tue 1/13/1998 4 KB 10016 Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) DJS Tue 1/13/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 4:51 am Subject: Re: TD LIVE TAPE LIST, Version 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 04:00 PM 1/12/1998 -0500, Lars wrote: > >dreamers >Here is the td live tape list that I promised. With a few exceptions (ie: [...........] WOW, Lars!!! What a TOUR (sic!) de force! Amazing. Definitely a keeper. Thanks, Andrew > or 11.15.82 Berlin (International Congress Centrum? ) > (aka Logostypes) (Source: smuggled SB analog tape?) >9.6.88 Boston (Somerville Theater) 109 min. (Au) > (NB: this is not Spherical Harmonics source) (Source: SB ???) Just askin'....... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 7:18 am Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: patricdonaghy@w... (Patric Donaghy) I am very interested!! Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9999 Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) Christian von Toerne Tue 1/13/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 8:03 am Subject: RE: Talking at concerts :-( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm Hilarious post Andrew, had me in stitches. Spot on. Whilst at the Manchester gig in november there was someone near me talking all of the way through, cracking jokes (his mates kept laughing their heads off). Then one of them noticed that I had an armful of CD's and made some comments about me being a mug (sucker for US readers :-) ) for buying them all (you may recall that I purchased rather a large amount for other list members) and I got really wound up. I was all set to go up to them and say 'Why don't you all just f**k off home then!' but the concert came to a close and I avoided getting my face filled in! :-) I just can't figure it out. It's not like you get in for free. Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10001 Re: Talking at concerts :-( Colin Knowles Tue 1/13/1998 3 KB 10005 Re: Talking at concerts :-( Lawrysimm Tue 1/13/1998 4 KB 10025 Re: Talking at concerts :-( Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 1/14/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 8:03 am Subject: Discussion Threads ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm Hi gang, I've just read today's tadream posts, after already having sent my previous message. I think the Live/Boots would make an excellent discussion too. Having only just begun to get some live tapes through trades with some of the smashing people on the list (references given :-) ) I really would like to get to know more. There are so many tapes to choose from, I think discussions like this will help people to decide where to make a start in the tape trading game. I'm really looking forward to hearing about the many well known boots that are out there too. I put myself forward to run the next discussion because there seemed to be a lack of interest and I wanted to make sure that the D: threads didn't stop. I really enjoy reading it all (even though I made no contributions for the last 6 months because I haven't really got much solo material). However, the likes of Lars and Scott are much more qualified for this and maybe should give it some thought. :-) Lars has already put in a great deal of effort, and I'm sure that with a little effort from a few more of us, we can tailor his listings to get a definitive list of D:threads sorted. I don't mind just doing the easy bit and sending out the reminders. :-)) Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 7:31 am Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Christian von Toerne >I am very interested!! Me too! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 9:48 am Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 10:19 PM 1/12/98 -0800, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: DJS > > >I've aquired a few copies of this quite rare box set release if anyone >needs one. It's titled Electronic Orgy (I know I know, wait until you >see the cover!) > >What is it?----A 4-cd collection of TD's rarest singles, tracks, solo >doings, remixes, and soundtrack themes. First reaction: April Fools Joke or Scam >Can I have a track listing?----are you crazy? There are about 70 tracks >or so!! Second reaction: people post 20 page messages. >What's on the cover?----don't ask...trust me on this. Besides, I >wouldn't want to spoil the surprise. Third reaction: I want to see it before I shell out dough. >How can I get one?----I have only a few.....so if you are interested you >can email me for more info. > >That's all folks. I give this compilation a very high recommendation for >those of you looking for all of those rarity tracks and are audiophiles. Hrmm... feldon@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10002 Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Tue 1/13/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 10:34 am Subject: Re: Talking at concerts :-( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: Lawrysimm > > Whilst at the Manchester gig in november there was someone near me talking all > of the way through, cracking jokes (his mates kept laughing their heads off). What seat/s were you in-I remember a group like that near me! Three of them a think..irish or scots maybe.. They were...annoying at times Colin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 10:54 am Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 I'd have to admit to sharing Morgan's scepticism over this box set. Given Dan's 'skill' at off-the-wall humour, I wouldn't put it passed him for this to be a wind up. Before indicating any interest (of a financial sort) I'd wan answers to the following questions as a minimum : 1) What is the source? (boot or official) 2) What sort of price are we talking? (Ģ30 or Ģ100?) 3) What sort of tracks are we talking about when we say 'rare'? Obscure remixes by no-one we've ever heard of, or real, hard-to-find tracks (Ultima Thule, Dolphin Smile, etc.) or previously unreleased soundtrack material? 4) Is the cover so 'interesting' it'll be seized by customers on arrival in Britain? I volunteer to type all 70 track titles to give the list a track-listsend me a copy of the box set on approval. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 2:22 pm Subject: Re: TD LIVE TAPE LIST, Version 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >WOW, Lars!!! What a TOUR (sic!) de force! Amazing. - thanks Andrew >> or 11.15.82 Berlin (International Congress Centrum? ) >> (aka Logostypes) >(Source: smuggled SB analog tape?) -- well, as I mentioned last month, the exact circumstances of this are not clear. Either EF gave the fan the tape (unlike given the quality), the fan made the copy from a tape in the studio without EF's knowledge or consent (which is what I think is believed), or EF allowed the fan to make the copy (pretending not to know) in order to disseminate Keep material that he was unable to disseminate officially (I favor the latter explanation but only 1-2 people really know for sure). Also, there is some question as to whether the source tape was recorded before the 11.15.82 berlin concert (kind of like TD claims to have recorded the Albuquerque portion of live miles prior to the concert) or whether it was in fact a studio master tape (thus the polygon studios reference). >>9.6.88 Boston (Somerville Theater) 109 min. (Au) >> (NB: this is not Spherical Harmonics source) >(Source: SB ???) -- no, I believe this is only an audience tape; remember, as John B and others have pointed out, while Spherical Harmonics claims to come from the Boston show, it is really from the New Haven show. As Klaus B says: never trust what you read on a bootleg! ciao lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10024 Re: TD LIVE TAPE LIST, Version 1 Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 1/14/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 2:21 pm Subject: Discussion Threads ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Lawry writes: >I've just read today's tadream posts, after already having sent my previous >message. >I think the Live/Boots would make an excellent discussion too. [...] > I really would like to get to know more. There are so many tapes to >choose from, I think discussions like this will help people to decide where >to make a start in the tape trading game. I'm really looking forward to >hearing about the many well known boots [...] -- judging from the response the last time we discussed the future of the d:list, lots of people are ready to discuss the live material and, IMO, we are sort of obligated to move in this direction since they have already waited through the regular d:list, the d:list addendum and the d:solo list. >I put myself forward to run the next discussion because there seemed to >be a lack of interest and I wanted to make sure that the D: threads didn't >stop. [...] However, the likes of Lars and Scott are much more qualified for >this and maybe should give it some thought. :-) -- Scott and I have already both run parts of the d:list. While I can't speak for Scott, I say if you want to run the D:live discussion part, that's fine with me. Let's just all hash out the schedule on-line and off-line as it seems best and get some feedback from the membership. I'd be happy to help in whatever way I can. >Lars has already put in a great deal of effort, and I'm sure that with a >little effort from a few more of us, we can tailor his listings to get a >definitive list of D:threads sorted. I don't mind just doing the easy bit and >sending out the reminders. :-)) -- and keeping track of the numbers, etc. ;-) Scott writes: >The easiest thing to do would be to discuss only boots, since >there are several tapes that differ not a whit, like Paris '86 and >Cologne '86, or just about anything from '92. -- and there are also boots that differ not a whit, like Bonn 97 and A'dam 97... I still think we need to define what will be considered a boot and what won't since there are soooooo many boots out there. And now that CDRs are cheaper than cassettes, and CDR boots are proliferating almost at the rate of one new one per week, I think just doing 'boots' becomes a task that begs the inclusion of the other remaining live material as well (which wouldn't increase the size of the d:live list by more than 15% >So maybe the best, most inclusive way would be to go >tour-by-tour, and include the one-off shows (e.g. Dresden '83, Fasbinder >Memorial, etc.) Perhaps we could group all the pre-'74 tapes/boots >together, since there are so few of them, and they're not all that >popular. -- I agree, although I think certain shows during a tour deserve their own weekly discussion -- especially those from the early and more improvisational part of TD history. For example, it would be hard for me to accept stuffing all of the 77 north american tour into a single week's discussion. or to discuss only the known boots from 77 and leave out such concerts as 77 washington dc. I also think that certain one-off shows can be included with other discussions and that each one-off need not always be given it's own week. For example, the fassbinder concert--which is nothing special--can easily be included with the discussion of the Japanese tour (also nothing special) and all of this can be done in one week. I think we should give boots and certain especially meritorious shows their own week each and do the balance of the tour all in one week. I think this would also give people who attended a concert on one of these tours to a chance share their comments. I think this would be especially important for the 'long-timers' who attended shows in the 1970s -- and we've got lots of them on this list!! I love to hear about the original 'atmospheres' etc. OK, for example, and for the just 1977 n. american tour, I'd suggest breaking this portion of the d:list discussion down something like this. This could be used as a model for other years as well. We could also put the boot medium in if needed, eg: MC, LP, CD, CDR, VID. Year: 1977 Section: North American Tour (Stratosfear) Official Live Release: Encore (excerpts: Washington DC, Santa Monica, .....) Part 1: The boots and the best shows: Week 1: 3.31.77 Detroit (Ford Auditorium) Tapes: 103 min. (Au) Boots: Acoustic LSD (CD); Emerald Beyond (LP); Edison's Last Playoff? (LP?) Week 2: 4.2.77 Cleveland (Music Hall) Tapes: 82min (Au) Boot: US Tour 1977 (2LP) Week 3: 4.4.77 Washington DC (Lisner Auditorium) Tapes: 1st source 110 min. (FM) 2nd source 101 min. (FM) Boot: (rumored) Week 4: 4.5.77 New York (Avery Fisher Hall) Tapes: 1st source: 130 minutes (Au) 2nd source 85 min. (Au) Boots: none week 5: 4.10.77 Montreal (Place des Arts & CHOM-FM) Tapes: 109 min. (FM) Boots: Patrolling Space Borders, Laserium, Transformations, Tangerine Dream Live-at the Place des Arts week 6: 4.21.77 Seattle (Paramount Theater) Tapes: 88 min. (Au) Boots: Babylon's Strange, Netz-Lautstarke, Babylon's Sequenced, Fotzenslecker, ..... week 7: 4.26.77 Santa Monica (Santa Monica Civic Auditorium) Tapes: 109 min. (Au) Boots: none? Part 2: All 'other' 1977 shows on tape: Week 8: 3.29.77 Milwaukee (Riverside Theatre) 80 min. (Au) 4.11.77 Quebec City (Hilton Convention Center) 97 min. (Au) 7.12.77 Los Angeles (Greek Theatre) 91 min. (Au) 8.4.77 (?) Toronto (Convocation Hall) 91 min. (Au) -- and anything else pertinent to this tour. just my thoughts lars (still working on the chronological boot cross-reference list) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 1:33 pm Subject: RE: Talking at concerts :-( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Lawry, All I can say is thanks for being a mug, I really love my cd's and hate people who talk during movies and concerts. Thanks pal. Chris ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 3:03 AM To: tadream@c... Subject: RE: Talking at concerts :-( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm Hilarious post Andrew, had me in stitches. Spot on. Whilst at the Manchester gig in november there was someone near me talking all of the way through, cracking jokes (his mates kept laughing their heads off). Then one of them noticed that I had an armful of CD's and made some comments about me being a mug (sucker for US readers :-) ) for buying them all (you may recall that I purchased rather a large amount for other list members) and I got really wound up. I was all set to go up to them and say 'Why don't you all just f**k off home then!' but the concert came to a close and I avoided getting my face filled in! :-) I just can't figure it out. It's not like you get in for free. Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 2:33 pm Subject: Ltd-edition Christopher Franke CD set for sale; various TD/Schulze CDs, etc! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jonathan Miller Hi everyone, I have the following CDs for sale, priced in UK pound sterling. Christopher Franke, 5 limited-edition 'Babylon 5' 'episodic' CDs containing music from the following single shows in its entire length: 'Severed Dreams'; 'A Late Delivery From Avalon'; 'Walkabout'; 'Shadows Dancing' & 'Z'Ha'Dum'. Ģ80 ono for the set. Tangerine Dream: 'Pergamon', 'Poland', 'Le Parc', 'Underwater Sunlight', 'Tyger' & 'Livemiles'; Castle Communications 1996 edition CDs, without sleeves; hence Ģ3.50 each, or Ģ15.00 the lot. Klaus Schulze: 'Royal Festival Hall Vol.1' & '...Vol.2', 'The essential 72-93' (Virgin); 'Goes Classic', 'Das Wagner Desaster', 'In Blue', Wahnfried 'Translation' (ZYX); 'Inter*Face' (Manikin), Ģ7.50 each, or Ģ45 the lot. 'Totentag' double (ZYX), Ģ10. Kraftwerk: 'Autobahn', 'The Mix' (EMI); US-edition 'Computer World', Ģ7.50 each, or Ģ15 the lot. Neuronium: 'Alma' (Tuxedo Music), unopened Mac-compatible enhanced compilation CD, Ģ10. Any interested parties should contact me via the details below: Best wishes and continued success with your future projects, jsm Jonathan Scott Miller mailto:jonathan@j... MOBILE: +44 (0)410 264815 TEL: +44 (0)1582 563377 FAX: +44 (0)1582 563377 'Snail Mail': JONATHAN MILLER PRODUCTIONS 159 Westmorland Avenue Leagrave Luton Bedfordshire LU3 2PT UK ============================================== ****** 'WORDS PAINT A THOUSAND PICTURES!' ****** ============================================== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 3:24 pm Subject: Re: Discussion Threads ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Lawrysimm >As Vic is due to finish the current round of discussions, I'm putting myself >forward as a volunteer to take the helm for the next round, unless anyone >objects of course. :-) I'm all for it! I think Lawry should continue the thread and I thank him for volunteering! It was a pleaseure doing this, but let's not forget that the D:Solo is not over. We got a couple of guys coming up with their last names beginning with 'Sch...'. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 3:37 pm Subject: RE: Discussion Threads ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>The easiest thing to do would be to discuss only boots, since >>there are several tapes that differ not a whit, like Paris '86 and >>Cologne '86, or just about anything from '92. >-- and there are also boots that differ not a whit, like Bonn 97 and A'dam >97... I still think we need to define what will be considered a boot and >what won't since there are soooooo many boots out there. And now that CDRs >are cheaper than cassettes, and CDR boots are proliferating almost at the Yes, but CDR are made by some dude in his basement, whereas CD and LP boots are bigger runs, made by a conspiracy. :-) I give Patrolling Space Borders or Sol et Luna more credence than I give some CDR. No offense, CDR guys! >-- I agree, although I think certain shows during a tour deserve their own >weekly discussion -- especially those from the early and more >improvisational part of TD history. For example, it would be hard for me >to accept stuffing all of the 77 north american tour into a single week's >discussion. or to discuss only the known boots from 77 and leave out such >concerts as 77 washington dc. I also think that certain one-off shows can But how to decide which individual shows to give a whole week to? We'd have to listen to them to decide, then listen again to prepare for the discussion. I like the idea of lumping all of a certain tour together. Granted, you may tend to ignore the more prominent shows (Montreal 77, for example) but it allows you to compare and contrast all the shows from a particular tour. The 77 NA tour is great for that, IMHO. The Montreal show really kicks, while many of the others, like Cleveland :-( and Santa Monica are comparitively lackluster. >be included with other discussions and that each one-off need not always be >given it's own week. For example, the fassbinder concert--which is nothing >special--can easily be included with the discussion of the Japanese tour >(also nothing special) and all of this can be done in one week. Like I said, how do we decide? Unless we just lump all the concerts from a particular year into one week. . . My list would last 45 weeks. Going one year per week would last a maximum of 30 weeks. >I think we should give boots and certain especially meritorious shows their >own week each and do the balance of the tour all in one week. I think this Then we'd have a list going on for longer than a year, and maybe two years! Lumping them together (i.e., using the list I posted) would, IMHO, offer the best of both worlds: it would allow the boot owners to participate, even if they don't know the exact date, and also allow the date-crazy tapeheads (like me :-) a chance. I confess I own no TD boots, and mostly have no idea which concert is from which boot. From memory, Patrolling Space Borders is the only one I know the date of. The problem I can see with my system is how do we address boots that cover multiple tours or that have studio stuff on them? Can we get some other opinions on this besides Lars & I? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 3:54 pm Subject: RE: Discussion Threads ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS >Yes, but CDR are made by some dude in his basement, whereas CD and LP boots are bigger runs, made by a conspiracy. :-) I give Patrolling Space Borders or Sol et Luna more credence than I give some CDR. No offense, CDR guys! This may be true, but last nite while carpeting my house I listened to my new cdr for the Streethawk series (thanks you-know-who) and I really enjoyed the psuedo-watching tv and listening to music ambience of the cdr. TD would never have released this cd , so sometimes the dude in the basement gets bigger props from me. I think the 'professional' oreo's may indeed become a thing of the past. When the cdr guys make em as professional as the past few I've gotten-I'm VERY happy. Just my two cents. By the way still no word on tour hitting the Detroit area, but I hope they play the Fox (our Radio City Music Hall) or even perhaps a return to the '77 era Ford Auditorium? Would be cool huh? Christopher From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 5:28 pm Subject: Jerome On The Radio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > Hilmar, do you know whether this radio also broadcasted by Astra ? Francisco, I believe not. As I also watch satellite TV, I regularly check the charts at www.satcodx.com, which are always the most up-to-date. I just looked there and couldn't find it. However, I distinctly remember that this station was supposed to be an audio subcarrier of ORB TV, and ORB-TV was supposed to be available on analog ASTRA this year. In fact, they already did some test transmissions, but seem to have stopped (??!?). I found ORB-TV only as a digital channel on the new ASTRA-1G, and then no audio subchannel exists. You may want to do some research yourself, and I will also keep looking, but it doesn't look good... Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 5:43 pm Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: feldon@p... > > > At 10:19 PM 1/12/98 -0800, you wrote: > > > >Really-From: DJS > > > > > >I've aquired a few copies of this quite rare box set release if anyone > >needs one. It's titled Electronic Orgy (I know I know, wait until you > >see the cover!) > > > >What is it?----A 4-cd collection of TD's rarest singles, tracks, solo > >doings, remixes, and soundtrack themes. > > First reaction: April Fools Joke or Scam Nope... > > >Can I have a track listing?----are you crazy? There are about 70 tracks > >or so!! > > Second reaction: people post 20 page messages. > > >What's on the cover?----don't ask...trust me on this. Besides, I > >wouldn't want to spoil the surprise. > > Third reaction: I want to see it before I shell out dough. > > >How can I get one?----I have only a few.....so if you are interested you > >can email me for more info. > > > >That's all folks. I give this compilation a very high recommendation for > >those of you looking for all of those rarity tracks and are audiophiles. > > Hrmm... > > feldon@p... Sorry to hear you're so skeptical, Morgan. Unfortunately for you, ELECTRONIC ORGY is a reality. Dan read me the tracklist over the phone. At four CD's, this is one of the most comprehensive boot-compilations of outtakes and rare tracks ever. Everything from 'Ultima Thule' and 'Oszillator Planet Konzert' to 'Michiko.' It's no scam. Since you were so impressioned by the no-longer extant 'humorous' posts by Dan-o and myself, I hope you're enjoying the return of the tadream list's 'dryness.' E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 5:53 pm Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' On: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 2:54 AM, you said: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 6:45 pm Subject: Re: New TD Video/Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' -------------- > Really-From: 'Peter J. Apruzzese' > > Hi Everybody! > > Just got this info at work (I work for a US video distributor): > > 'LUMINOUS VISIONS' from Sony Music Entertainment (VHS cat # LV49484 > $19.98, 45 min.) > > > To the list: > Has anyone ever heard of this project before (I didn't find anything on > the TD Official site)? yes, I saw it. They talk about it last summer: ---------------------- +++ 15/Aug/97 +++ Edgar and Jerome also just finished some final editing for a score to the maybe most interesting computer animated images youŦve seen so far. The producer of the very successful ŧMinds EyeŦ series, Steven Churchill, introduced TD to the Japanese Video and computer artist, Yoichiro Kawaguchi. He was called by the National Geographic Magazine the ŧPicasso of computer animationŦ. The 60 min. video of their collaboration will be called ŧLuminous VisionsŦ and will be out on Sony Music Videos in late January '98. A soundtrack release is also planned. ---------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 8:08 pm Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > I'd have to admit to sharing Morgan's scepticism over this box set. Given Dan's > 'skill' at off-the-wall humour, I wouldn't put it passed him for this to be a > wind up. This is NOT a joke. Anyone who shares ANYTHING with Morgan can wait and verify the truth with all of the guys who get one. > > Before indicating any interest (of a financial sort) I'd wan answers to the > following questions as a minimum : > > 1) What is the source? (boot or official) > 2) What sort of price are we talking? (Ģ30 or Ģ100?) > 3) What sort of tracks are we talking about when we say 'rare'? Obscure remixes > by no-one we've ever heard of, or real, hard-to-find tracks (Ultima Thule, > Dolphin Smile, etc.) or previously unreleased soundtrack material? > 4) Is the cover so 'interesting' it'll be seized by customers on arrival in > Britain? > > I volunteer to type all 70 track titles to give the list a track-listsend me a copy of the box set on approval. -- I said email me for info, genius. I don't have time for skeptics such as yourself. Regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 8:12 pm Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > Really-From: feldon@p... > > At 10:19 PM 1/12/98 -0800, you wrote: > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > >Really-From: DJS > > > > > >I've aquired a few copies of this quite rare box set release if anyone > >needs one. It's titled Electronic Orgy (I know I know, wait until you > >see the cover!) > > > >What is it?----A 4-cd collection of TD's rarest singles, tracks, solo > >doings, remixes, and soundtrack themes. > > First reaction: April Fools Joke or Scam > > >Can I have a track listing?----are you crazy? There are about 70 tracks > >or so!! > > Second reaction: people post 20 page messages. > > >What's on the cover?----don't ask...trust me on this. Besides, I > >wouldn't want to spoil the surprise. > > Third reaction: I want to see it before I shell out dough. > > >How can I get one?----I have only a few.....so if you are interested you > >can email me for more info. > > > >That's all folks. I give this compilation a very high recommendation for > >those of you looking for all of those rarity tracks and are audiophiles. > > Hrmm... > > feldon@p... Dan's reaction: Stevo doesn't get one. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 8:47 pm Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > > Dan read me the tracklists. Too much to remember. You've pretty much > covered the categories, though. A lot of stuff: four CD's worth. It's too > bad so many people are still put off my Dan and myself, despite the fact > it's been months since I've posted anything or he or I posted anything > humorous. ( I hope everyone who receives the list in digest format enjoys > those book-length posts and re-posts about 'Love On A Real Train' and it's > many 'incarnations'... I have to say I don't understand the 'hesitation' with dealing with myself or the information I share. I've dealt with several guys on this list not to mention many others involving trades, information, etc. Why the hell does anyone here question my veracity?? Have I ever lied about anything??? Have I ever cheated anyone on this list?? You guys all crack me up. If any of you doubt my truth then feel free to ask Vic Rek or Bob Grabowsky about my dependability. If you'd all like, I can take my info elsewhere to other lists and deny all of you cool things that come my way. Besides, this list is becoming more dull than watching a fly walk up a wall. How many 'baby tape' & 'love on a real train' threads do we need!? Even Goldtri's lackluster 't'shirt' thread is more interesting than the latest here. Shape up guys...& realize when something good is in the midst! Regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re TD Box Set Electronic Orgy: Stevo Doesn't Get One ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:12:34 -0800 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Organization: Rakinik Intertype >Really-From: DJS > >> Really-From: feldon@p... >> >> First reaction: April Fools Joke or Scam [. . .] >> Hrmm... >> >> feldon@p... > >Dan's reaction: Stevo doesn't get one. Did I miss something here? *My* name is Steven *Feldman*, not Feldon, so -- please don't burn me when I don't deserve it. >Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:47:55 -0800 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Organization: Rakinik Intertype >Really-From: DJS > >>[. . .] ( I hope everyone who receives the list in digest format enjoys >>those book-length posts and re-posts about 'Love On A Real Train' and >>it's many 'incarnations'... > >[. . .] Besides, this list is becoming more dull than watching a >fly walk up a wall. How many 'baby tape' & 'love on a real train' >threads do we need!? [. . .] I admit that that 'Love on a Real Train' stuff was excessive in of itself, but excessively-posted about? Not really. Anyways, I have re-named the project LOVE IS A REAL PAIN as a tip of the hat to the fact that not only will most buyers of the set never listen to 90% of the Audio Kit more than once or twice ever again, but that they'll most likely not play too many of the LoaRT variants much, either -- and I can see why. The set would really have two main points: 1.) To make a previously-unobtainable item (the Audio Kit) obtainable, and 2.) To put all the variants on a finite number of CDs so that anyone who actually does give a shit about comparing stuff would only have to switch a couple of CDs rather than close to a dozen. I certainly don't expect people to play a whole lot of the variants often. *I* wouldn't! Also -- thanks to Lars -- I'm being pressured to make the project into a *three*-CD set so as to incorporate all the variants of the Global Communications track, 'Maiden Voyage.' So, don't say that *I'm* the out-of-his-gourd completist whilst Lars is about! ;) >Regards, > >Dan -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10019 Re: Re TD Box Set Electronic Orgy: Stevo Doesn't KRAUSENECKS Wed 1/14/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 9:07 pm Subject: Provider Transfer, Jarre and a question ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'FREDERIC YARGUI' Hi! > Quoted from > Happy New Year! That includes the many French people on the list too. > Fred, you're aol.com address hid your nationality, as did your good English. There we are! I'm no longer FredYargui@a... but fred.yargui@w... So my nationality will be more obvious thanks to the 'fr' suffix. I will tell wy (old) english teachers that you are satisfied with my english, especially my sister : thanks to her, I could say 'the moon' when I was 4. It was her that sent me for birthday 'Phaedra' & 'Rubycon' tapes and made me discover TD!! But at that time, I had better breathing Jarre's Oxygene. I reassure all of you : this time is over!! TD is my fav group and I can't imagine going on a desert island without TD. Anyway, I can't imagine going on a desert island. Nevertheless, I can't say that I hate JMJ's music (someone on the list said that). I find some tracks awful, like rendez-vous 4 or Calypso 1, but others great, like oxygene 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 10, magnetic fileds 4 or live in china (arpegiateur). It is my turn to send some congratulations on this list (and so, for their members) : any question is answered (and quickly) sometimes with a precision that makes me sit down; any topic is discussed (sometimes with great conviction). Well, now, I've got a question : in the boot 'Prayer of quiet dreams', there is two tracks named 'Solo : Jerome/Zlatko' and 'Solo : Edgar/Linda' Are they really : 'Backstreet Hero' and 'Hamlet' ? the sound is not so good and I can't find out if this is the true melodies. And best dream wishes to everyone on the list (for 98 only, this would not work after). Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 9:36 pm Subject: RE: Re TD Box Set Electronic Orgy: Stevo Doesn't Get One ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Ok, I'm beginning to think I am insane, because I for one would indeed enjoy all the versions, I will listen to the audio kit more than once and I think my TD listening is beginning to affect how others view me. My friends often begin their sentences with-' this isn't about TD is it?' or my girlfriends ever popular ' I DON'T like TD!!' I will have to travel to the gig alone I'm afraid. signed, Chris ' the I'm alone with no-one but the list to talk to' Chouinard I admit that that 'Love on a Real Train' stuff was excessive in of itself, but excessively-posted about? Not really. Anyways, I have re-named the project LOVE IS A REAL PAIN as a tip of the hat to the fact that not only will most buyers of the set never listen to 90% of the Audio Kit more than once or twice ever again, but that they'll most likely not play too many of the LoaRT variants much, either -- and I can see why. The set would really have two main points: 1.) To make a previously-unobtainable item (the Audio Kit) obtainable, and 2.) To put all the variants on a finite number of CDs so that anyone who actually does give a shit about comparing stuff would only have to switch a couple of CDs rather than close to a dozen. I certainly don't expect people to play a whole lot of the variants often. *I* wouldn't! Also -- thanks to Lars -- I'm being pressured to make the project into a *three*-CD set so as to incorporate all the variants of the Global Communications track, 'Maiden Voyage.' So, don't say that *I'm* the out-of-his-gourd completist whilst Lars is about! ;) >Regards, > >Dan -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 9:57 pm Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC This box set is for real guys. I just ordered mine today. If anyone was skeptical about this cd set, they should have e-mailed Dan instead of this list. After all, he did say to e-mail him for more info. Why would Dan scam anybody when he works for Super Collector? That would'nt be good business for him. In short, lighten up and get the facts from the source before writing untruths about a list member. Thanks. Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 13, 1998 9:57 pm Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: DJS > >I have to say I don't understand the 'hesitation' with dealing with >myself or the information I share. I've dealt with several guys on this >list not to mention many others involving trades, information, etc. Why >the hell does anyone here question my veracity?? Have I ever lied about >anything??? Have I ever cheated anyone on this list?? You guys all >crack me up. If any of you doubt my truth then feel free to ask Vic Rek >or Bob Grabowsky about my dependability. If you'd all like, I can take >my info elsewhere to other lists and deny all of you cool things that >come my way. Besides, this list is becoming more dull than watching a >fly walk up a wall. How many 'baby tape' & 'love on a real train' >threads do we need!? Even Goldtri's lackluster 't'shirt' thread is more >interesting than the latest here. Shape up guys...& realize when >something good is in the midst! I believe you, Dan! I know Vic is a reliable guy (met him twice) and he mentioned you, so. I'm interested! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: Tour Dates ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' I know that this is early, but let's hope they add more dates than this: 3/27 New York, NY Irving Plaza 3/28 Washinton D.C. 9:30 Club 4/1 Los Angeles, CA The Palace 4/3 San Francisco, CA Maritime Hall Although judging from the tight schedule it would seem impracticle to fly back and forth between coasts. It seems that if they added dates it would have to be before 3/27 or after 4/3. Frank Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10027 Re: Tour Dates Greg Heil Wed 1/14/1998 3 KB 31692 Tour Dates Morgan Feldon Sat 1/26/2002 3 KB 31702 Re: Tour Dates Chris Owen Sun 1/27/2002 7 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 2:06 am Subject: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Warning: This is a long post! Dreamers I've worked up the following proposal for the D:LIVE! schedule. A few notes about it: 1) I've tried to cram all of the discussion into 1 year (49 weeks!) by grouping sets of dates; fewer dates in highly improvisational years, more dates in less improvisational years. Originally I came up with about 76 weeks of discussion and the price of this reduction -- for brevity's sake -- is that sometimes 1 or more fantastic concerts are slated for discussion in the same week. I'd be perfectly willing to increase it if the listees say so. 2) This is just a draft, your feedback is hereby solicited and your comments -- good and bad -- or flames are welcome (on list or off list) 3) This discussion list should attempt to incorporate as many participants as possible, not just a small circle of tape traders and bootleggers (who probably don't have time to participate anyway) if you have any questions about participating, ask someone for advice (I hope you know what I mean) 4) I've tried to incorporate the boots of which I am aware into this list chronologically somewhat in the format of the 1977 sample that I posted earlier today. When one considers all the CDR boots (I didn't list many of these), this represents only a fraction of the extant TD boots. Additions and corrections are welcome! 5) To address concerns about other material, non-live boots, and pirate compilations, etc. (alternate versions of the keep, other soundtracks, etc), I suggest we add on--after the end of the D:LIVE! discusssion--a 'non-official release' addendum that would cover: 1) unreleased soundtrack material 2) pirate compilations, etc. 3) anything else pertinent such as TD on compliations, remixes, etc. Following this, we might wish to run a second short D:List--Addendum to cover officially released material since the last addendum. Then we can return to the D:list proper... or to videos or films or... --------------------------------------------------------------------- Abbreviations and Format: Month.Day.Year City (Venue) Time (Medium of original source) Original sources: Au = audience; SB = soundboard; FM, TV = broadcast; Vid. = Video; Media (self-explanatory?): MC = cassette tape; LP (includes 7', 10', & 12' releases); CD; CDR; Vid = video; LD (laser disc) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Phase I: The Highly Improvisational Years (1970-1981) Part A: 'The Pink Years': 1970 -1973 Week 1: All known dates 1970-73: .70 Berlin (broadcast) 15 min (FM) .71 Berlin (broadcast) (UT outtake) 9 min. (FM) 6.?.71 Ossiach (Welt-Musik Festival) 'Ozillator Planet Konzert' Official Release: Ossiach Live 3LP Boots: Mystery Tracks I (CD), Rare Trax I CDR), Ossiach Live (CD) Tapes: 8 min. (Au) 6.19.71 Frankfurt (Frankfurt University) 45 min. (FM) .72/.73? Unknown location - live 35 min. (SB) .72 Berlin (RIAS FM) 'Klangcollage' show 20 min. (FM) 11.25.72 Cologne (WDR-FM 'Klangwald') 45 min. (FM) 5.25.73 Ponts de Ce 84 min. (Au) 11.29.73 Berlin (RIAS FM) 45 min. (FM) ------------------------------------------------------------------ I.B: 1974 Week 2: Miscellaneous 1974 Dates 'Oedipus Tyrannos' (incorporates 3 dates) Official release: 'V' (Virgin compilation) Boots: Festival (8.18.74 Au) Tapes: 8.18.74 Chichester (Festival Theatre) 31 min. (Au) 8.22.74 London (BBC Studios) 23 min. (FM) 8.29.74 London (BBC Studios) 24 min. (FM); digitally enhanced MC/DAT/CDR version exists also 10.13.74 Berlin (Nationalgalerie) 55 min. (FM) Part 1: 'Metamusik Festival' (36 min.); Part 2: 'Conversations' (19 min.) 12.13.74 Reims (Cathedral) 85 min (Au) Boots: Live! Improvised! (2CD) Riems Cathedral (LP) Tapes: 65 min. (FM) Broadcast 27 min. (Au) (2nd source encores) 17 min. (FM) (Broadcast Interview & Encore) Week 3: 1974 UK Tour, all tapes 10.29.74 Sheffield (City Hall) Boots: TD 74-78 (MC) -- excerpt Tapes: 44min. (Au) 10.30.74 Birmingham (Town Hall) 90 min. (Au) 11.2.74 Liverpool (Liverpool Stadium) 90 min. (Au) 11.20.74 Glasgow (Kelvin Hall) 85 min. (Au) 11.26.74 Bradford (St. George's Hall) 51 min. (Au) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I.C 1975 Section 1: 1975 Australian tour Week 4: 1975 Australian Tour, all tapes 3.13.75 Melbourne (Dallas Brooks Hall) 84 min. (Au) 3.25.75 Adelaide (Festival Hall) 87 min. (Au) ---------------------------------------------------------- Section 2: Miscellaneous 1975 Dates Week 5: 4.2.75 London (Royal Albert Hall) Boots: Coefficient of Aural Expansion I + II (CD+CDR) Absolutely Hypnotized -- excerpt Phaedream -- excerpt Concentrical Progression 2CDRs Tapes: 115 min. (FM) Week 6: Orange Festival & Reims 1975 8.16.75 Orange (Festival Pop d'Orange, Theatre Antique et Gymnase) Boots: Orange Festival (LP + 7') A Dream Unbound (LP + 7') Seekers of Dreams (LP + 7') Festival (MC) excerpt Oranges from France (CDR) Tapes: 59 min. (Au) 9.23.75 Reims (Opera House) 85 min. (Au) ------------------------------------------------ Section 3: 1975 UK Tour Week 7: 1975 UK Tour, Part 1 10.4.75 Coventry (Cathedral) 96 min. (Au) 10.5.75 Bristol (Colston Hall) 70 min. (Au) 10.12.75 Birmingham (Town Hall) 109 min. (Au) 10.16.75 Liverpool (Cathedral) 100 min (Au) Week 8: 1975 UK Tour, Part 2 10.17.75 Glasgow (City Hall) 85 min. (Au) 10.20.75 York (Minster) 84 min (Au) 10.22.75 London (Olympia) 31 min. (Au) 10.23.75 Croyden (Fairfield Hall) 63 min. (Au) ------------------------------------------------------------- I.D: 1976 Section I: Miscellaneous 1976 Dates Week 9: Miscellaneous 1976 Dates, part 1 .76 unknown concert 33 min. (Au) 1.23.76 Paris (Palais du Sport) 107 min. (Au) 2.9.76 Brussels (Jansen University) Boots: Danger Live [Pt. 1] (CD) Danger Live Pt. 2 (CDR) Tapes: 109 min (Au) 2.11.76 Amsterdam RAI Congresscentrum 91 min. (Au) Week 10: Miscellaneous 1976 Dates, part 2 5.23.76 Germany (broadcast) 45 min. (TV) 6.5.76 Manchester (Free Trade Hall) 112 min. (Au) 6.7.76 London (Royal Albert Hall) Boots: Three Tier Dream (3CDs) CD1 Tapes: 103 min (Au) 6.10.76 Brighton (The Dome) 85 min. (Au) 6.27.76 Berlin (Philharmonic, SFB-Radio) Boots: Danger Live Pt. (2CDR) The Dream Is Not Always The Same (CDR) Tapes: 33 min. (FM) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Section 2: 1976 European Tour Official Release: Ricochet (excerpts various concerts) Week 11: 1976 European Tour, part 1 10.20.76 Hannover (Stadthalle) 107min. (Au) 11.8.76 Nottingham (Usher Hall) 90 min. (Au) Boots: Me-Rad (part 1) Collected Endings CD (Part 2) 11.13.76 Leeds (University) 110 min. (Au) 11.16.76 Brussels (L'Ancienne Belgigue) Boots: Danger Live Pt. (2CDR) -- excerpt Tapes: 91 min. (Au) 10.21.76 Dusseldorf (Philipshalle) 74 min (Au) 10.27.76 Munich (Circus Krone Bau) 91 min. (Au) Week 12: 1976 European Tour, part 2 11.3.76 Edinburgh (Odeon) ) 83 min. (Au) 11.9.76 Portsmouth (Guild Hall) 90 min. (Au) 11.14.76 Croydon (Fairfield Hall) 75 min. (Au) 11.15.76 Manchester (Free Trade Center) 58 min. (Au) 11.22.76 Paris (Palais du Sport) 109 min (Au) 11.28.76 Toulouse (Centre Culturel) 89 min. (Au) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I.E: 1977 North American Tour (Stratosfear) Official Release: Encore (excerpts: Washington DC, Santa Monica, .....) Week 13: 1977 North American Tour, part 1 3.29.77 Milwaukee (Riverside Theatre) 80 min. (Au) 3.31.77 Detroit (Ford Auditorium) Boots: Acoustic LSD (CD) Emerald Beyond (LP); Edison's Last Playoff? (LP) Tapes: 103 min. (Au) 4.2.77 Cleveland (Music Hall) Boot: US Tour 1977 (2LP) Tapes: 82min (Au) Week 14: 1977 North American Tour, part 2 4.4.77 Washington DC (Lisner Auditorium) Boot: (rumored) Tapes: 1st source 110 min. (FM) 2nd source 101 min. (FM) 4.5.77 New York (Avery Fisher Hall) 130 minutes (Au) 4.10.77 Montreal (Place des Arts & CHOM-FM) Boots: Patrolling Space Borders Laserium Transformations -- excerpt Tangerine Dream Live-at the Place des Arts Tapes: 109 min. (FM) 4.11.77 Quebec City (Hilton Convention Center) 97 min. (Au) Week 15: 4.21.77 Seattle (Paramount Theater) Boots: Babylon's Strange Netz-Lautstarke Babylon's Sequenced Fotzenslecker Tapes: 88 min. (Au) 4.26.77 Santa Monica (Santa Monica Civic Auditorium) 109 min. (Au) 7.12.77 Los Angeles (Greek Theatre) 91 min. (Au) 8.4.77 (?) Toronto (Convocation Hall) 91 min. (Au) ------------------------------------------------------------------- I.F: 1978 European Tour (Cyclone) Week 16: 1978 Tour; all dates 2.19.78 Berlin (Eissporthalle) Boots: Don't Walk, Dream Now (2LP) [2CDR? rumored] Tapes: 135 min. (Au) 2.24.78 Hamburg (Audimax) Boots: TD 74-78 (MC) -- excerpt Tapes: 45 min. (Au) 2.25.78 Dusseldorf (Philipshalle) 90 min. (Au) 3.1.78 Nantes (Palais de la Beaujoire) 120 min. (Au) 3.12.78 Valencia (Pabellon Deportiro Marcol) 35 min. (Au) 3.13.78 Barcelona (Nueva Pabellon de Barcelona) 50 min. (Au) 3.23.78 Newcastle (City Hall) 80 min. (Au) 3.24.78 Glasgow (Apollo City Hall) 113min. (Au) 3.25.78 Manchester (Apollo City Hall) 60 min (Au) 3.26.78 Liverpool (Empire) 110 min. (Au) 3.28.78 London (Hammersmith Odeon) 100 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- I.G: 1980 Section 1 East Berlin Week 17: 1.31.80 E. Berlin (Palast der Republik) afternoon + evening shows Official releases: Quichotte Pergamon Boots: Staatgrenze West (LP) White Cloths (2MC) The Dream Is Not Always The Same (CDR) -- excerpt Beyond the Wall (CDR) [NB: Don Quixote (LP) is a pirate] Tapes: Afternoon show 71 min (FM + Au?) Evening show 100 min (FM) ------------------------------------------ Section 2: 1980 European tour Week 18: 1980 European Tour Dates, Part 1 10.13.80 Brussels (Cirque Royale) Boots: Nostrasgram (CDR) Tapes: 120 min. (Au) 10.15.80 Dusseldorf (Philipshalle) 107 min. (Au) 10.16.80 Hamburg (Congress Center) 110 min. (Au) 10.17.80 Luxembourg (Centre Sportif) 46 min. (Au) 10.20.80 Unknown venue 86 min. (Au) Week 19: 1980 European Tour Dates, Part 2 10.23.80 Bologna (Palasport) 110 min. (Au) 11.1.80 Dublin (National Stadium) 110 min. (Au) 11.2.80 Newcastle (City Hall) 113 min. (Au) 11.5.80 Preston (Guild Hall) Boots: Soundtrack for Fantasy (CD) Undulation (LP) Space Trucking (LP) Tapes: 116 min. (Au) 11.6.80 Derby (Assembly Rooms) 108 min. (Au) Week 20: 1980 European Tour Dates, Part 3 11.7.80 Birmingham (Odeon) 112 min. (Au) 11.8.80 Manchester (Apollo City Hall) 90 min. (Au) 11.9.80 London (Victoria Apollo) 109 min. (Au) 11.10.80 London (Victoria Apollo) 110 min. (Au) 11.12.80 Oxford (New Theatre) 106 min. (Au) 11.15.80 Liverpool (Royal Court) 110 min. (Au) -------------------------------------- Section 3: The US concerts Week 21: 11.20.80 San Francisco (Warfield Theater) 37 min. (Au-->FM) 11.22.80 Santa Monica (Santa Monica Civic Auditorium) 105 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- I.H: 1981 Section 1: 1981 European Tour Week 22: 1981 European Tour, Part 1 1.21.81 Aachen (Eurogress) 114min. (Au) 1.24.81 Hannover (Eilenriedehalle) 105 min. (Au) 1.26.81 Berlin (Internationales Congress Centrum) Boots: (Event Horizon) Tapes: 110 min. (Au) 1.30.81 Frankfurt (Jahrhunderthalle) 110 min. (Au) 2.2.81 Paris (Bataclan Palace) 110 min. (Au) Week 23: 1981 European Tour, part 2 (Italian shows) 2.6.81 Rome (Palasport) 86 min. (Au) 2.7.81 Cantu (Palasport Piarelli) Boots: Absolutely Hypnotized - excerpt Fragments? - excerpt Tapes: 105 min. (Au) 2.??.81 Cucciago (?) 84 min. (Au) 2.8.81 Florence (Apollo Theatre) 105 min. (Au) 1st show 2.8.81 Florence (Apollo Theatre) 112 min. (Au) 2nd Show 5.??.81 Rome (RAI-1) 28 min. (TV) ----------------------------------------- Section 2: 1981 UK Tour (Exit) Week 24: 1981 UK Tour, part 1 10.??.81 Two sound checks from UK tour 46 min. (Au) 10.15.81 Oxford (New Theatre) 109 min. (Au) 10.16.81 Portsmouth (Guild Hall) 90 min. (Au) 10.17.81 Brighton (Brighton Dome) 90 min. (Au) 10.20.81 London (Hammersmith Odeon) Boots: Three Tier Dream (3CDs) CD2 Tapes: 111min. (Au) 10.22.81 Sheffield (City Hall) 88 min. (Au) Week 25: 1981 UK Tour, part 2 10.24.81 Manchester (Apollo Theatre) 112 min. (Au) 10.25.81 Newcastle (City Hall) Boots: Dreamtime (CDR) Space & Spheres (LP) Space Trucking (LP) Tapes: 110 min. (Au) 10.26.81 Edinburgh (Usher Hall) 112 min. (Au) 10.27.81 Glasgow (Apollo City Hall) 90 min. (Au) 10.28.81 Preston (Guild Hall) 119 min. (Au) 10.29.81 Liverpool (Royal Court) 114 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Section 3: Misc 1981 dates Week 26: 8.29.81 Berlin (Platz der Republik) Boots: Tangerine Dream Live (MC) Tapes: 102 min (Au) 11.11.81 Gelsenkirchen (WDR-FM) 24 min. (FM) 12.9.81 Munich (Circus Krone 'Klassic-Rock-Nacht') 31 min. (TV) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ Phase II, Increasing Standardization of Tour Programs Part A: 1982 Section 1: Australian Tour Week 27: All dates from 1982 Australian Tour (White Eagle) 2.22.82 Sydney (Regent Theatre) Boots: Leprous Appearance on a Wednesday (LP) Dreaming (CD) Outback Voices (CDR) Tapes: 120 min. (FM) 3.1.82 Melbourne (Dallas Brooks Hall) Boots: Raetikon CD Tapes: 70 min. (Au) -------------------------------------------------------------- Section 2: Logotypes Week 28: .82 Berlin (Polygon Studios?) or 11.15.82 Berlin (International Congress Centrum? ) Boots: Logostypes (CDR) Tapes: 85 min. (studio master tape) --------------------------------------------- Section 3: European tour (White Eagle) Week 29: 1982 European Tour, part 1 10.17.82 Vienna (Kurhalle Oberlaa-- Konzerthaus) 104 min. (Au) 10.19.82 Budapest (Sports Hall) 84 min. (Au) 1st show 10.19.82 Budapest (Sports Hall) 84 min. (Au) 2nd show 10.27.82 Frankfurt (Alte Oper) 105 min. (Au) 10.??.82 Unknown (UK?); 90 min. (SB) 10.29.82 Glasgow (Apollo City Hall) 92 min. (Au) 10.30.82 Derby (Assembly Rooms) 138 min. (Au) 10.31.82 Croyden (Fairfield Hall) 104 min. (Au) 11.1.82 Manchester (Apollo City Hall) 110 min. (Au) 11.2.82 Bristol (Colston Hall) 90 min. (Au) Week 30: 1982 European Tour, part 2 11.3.82 Oxford (Apollo City Hall) 103 min. (Au) 11.4.82 Sheffield (City Hall) 111 min. (Au) 11.5.82 Birmingham (Town Hall) 135min. (Au) 11.6.82 London (Dominion) Official release: Logos Tapes: 118 min. (Au) sound check 45 min. (Au) 11.8.82 Brussels (Vrije University) 108 min. (Au) 11.10.82 Mannheim (Rosengarten) 89min. (Au) 11.11.82 Dusseldorf (Phillipshalle) 110 min. (Au) 11.12.82 Munich (Circus Krone Bau) 111 min. (Au) 11.15.82 Berlin (Internationales Congres Centrum) Boots: The Dream Is Not Always The Same (CDR) -- excerpt Tapes: 110 min. (Au) 11.19.82 Budapest (Sportcsarnok) 44 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- II.B 1983-1984 Week 31: Fassbinder Homage & 1983 Japanese tour 6.11.83 Frankfurt (Alte Oper) R.W. Fassbinder Memorial Concert Boots: Fassbinder Homage EP (30 min.) Tapes 36 min (Au) 6.23.83 Tokyo (Kohseinenkin Hall) 109 min. (Au) 6.25.83 Tokyo (Nakano Sun Plaza Hall) 104 min. (Au) 6.28.83 Osaka (Festival Hall) 110 min. (Au) Week 32: Dresden, Warsaw, & Athens 11.26.83 Dresden (Hygienemuseum, Kongress Saal) 115 min. (Au) 12.10.83 Warsaw (Ice Stadium) 12.10.83 Warsaw (Ice Stadium) Official release: Poland 2LP Tapes: 86 min. (Au) 1st show 90 min. (FM) 2nd show 6.??.84 Athens (Lycabettus Theater) 91 min. (TV) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- II.C 1986 Section 1, European tour Week 33: 1986 European Tour 3.9.86 Leicester (De Montford Hall) 93 min. (Au) 3.10.86 Sheffield (City Hall) 110 min. (Au) 3.11.86 Newcastle (City Hall) 98 min. (Au) 3.12.86 Edinburgh (Playhouse) 122 min. (Au) 3.13.86 Preston (Guild Hall) 107 min. (Au) 3.14.86 Manchester (Apollo City Hall) 114 min. (Au) 3.16.86 Croyden (Fairfield Hall) 112 min. (Au) 3.17.86 Birmingham (Odeon) 110 min. (FM) 3.18.86 Hanley (Victoria Hall) 110 min. (Au) 3.19.86 Liverpool (Royal Court) 106 min. (Au) 3.20.86 Bradford (Saint Georges Hall) 120 min. (Au) 3.21.86 Harrogate (The Centre) 110min (Au) 3.22.86 Nottingham (Royal Court Hall) 111 min. (Au) 3.23.86 Lincoln (Ritz Theatre) 101 min. (Au) 3.24.86 Brighton (The Dome) 105 min. (Au) 3.26.86 Oxford (Apollo Theatre) 107 min. (Au) Week 34: The Boots: London, Cologne, & Paris 3.27.86 London (Hammersmith Odeon) Boots: The Nameless is the Origin (LP) Timeless Space (2LP) Tapes: 105 min. (Au) 3.29.86 Cologne (Sendesaal & WDR-FM 'Nachtmusic') Boots: Relativity (LP) Nachtmusik (CDR) Tapes: 103 min. (FM) 3.31.86 Paris (Olympique) Boots: Parisian Dreams (LP) Parisian Dreams Too (LP) Technikon (LP) 3 Tier Dream (part 1) (CD) 3 Tier Dream On (part 2) (CD) Paris Edge (CDR) Tapes: 76 min. (FM) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 2, 1986 North American Tour Week 35: 1986 North American Tour 5.30.86 Vancouver BC (Expo '86 Open Air Theatre) 105 min. (Au) 5.31.86 Seattle (Paramount Theatre) 120 min. (Au) 6.1.86 Portland (Arlene Schnitzler Auditorium) 111 min. (Au) 6.??.86 Unknown location 60 min. (Au) 'mystery concert' 6.3.86 San Francisco (Warfield Theater) 103 min. (Au) 6.5.86 Los Angeles (Universal City Ampitheatre) Boots: Alien Air Music (CDR) excerpt only Tapes: 112 min. (Au) 6.7.86 Mesa (Mesa Amphitheatre) 5 min. (SB) Boots: Alien Air Music (CDR) excerpt only 6.11.86 Denver (Paramount Theater) 90min (Au) 6.13.86 Kansas City (Bonner Springs Sandstone Ampitheatre) 109 min. (Vid) 6.15.86 Chicago (Riviera Theater) 84 min (Au) 6.17.86 Milwaukee (Oriental Theater) 105 min. (Au) 6.19.86 Montreal (Place des Arts) 111 min. (Au) 6.20.86 Ottawa (National Arts Center) 111 min. (Au) 6.21.86 Toronto (Massey Hall) Boots: Undercover Dreams 2LP Undercover Dreams (MC) Tapes: 117 min. (Au) 6.23.86 Rochester (Meadowbrooks Music Festival) 113 min. (Au) 6.24.86 Cleveland (Music Hall) 100 min. (Au) 6.25.86 Philadelphia (Tower Theater) 104 min. (Au) 6.26.86 Boston (Orpheum Theater) 90 min (Au) 6.27.86 Providence (Performing Arts Center) 110 min. 6.28.86 New York (The Beacon Theater) 120 min. (Au) 6.29.86 Washington DC (Warner Theater) 120 min. (Au) Week 36: Sonambulistic Imagery & Live Miles 6.6.86 Irvine / Laguna Hills (Irvine Meadows Ampitheater) Boots: Sonambulistic Imagery (2CD) Tapes: 109 min (Au) 6.8.86 Albuquerque (Kiva Convention Center) Official Release (ha!): Live Miles Boots: Alien Air Music (CDR) excerpt only Tapes: 106 min. (Au) MC (**NB: I have placed these here because I think the discussion of 'Live' Miles will benefit from the previous weeks' discussion of the 1986 N. American Tour tapes) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- II.D 1987 Berlin Week 37: 8.1.87 Berlin (Reichstag) (rebroadcasts+interviews: 8.23.87 & 10.22.87) Official release: Live Miles Boots: Anarktis (CD) part 1 20th Century Seranades (CD) part 2 Tapes: 138 min (FM transcription tapes?) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Phase III; The DAT Years (low variability of tour program, little or no improvisation) Part A: 1988 North American Tour (Optical Race) Week 38: 1988 N. American Tour 8.25.88 Chicago (Hoffman Estates Poplar Creek Music Theater) 110 min. (Au) 8.26.88 Milwaukee (Riverside Theater) 110min. (Au) 8.30.88 Cleveland (Nautica Stage) 110 min. (Au) 8.31.88 Detroit (Pine Knob Theatre) 106 min. (Au) 9.1.88 Toronto (Massey Hall) 122 min. (Au) 9.2.88 Montreal (La Ronde) 105 min. (Au) 9.3.88 Quebec City (L'Agora) 110 min. (Au) 9.6.88 Boston (Somerville Theater) 109 min. (Au) (NOT spherical harmonics) 9.8.88 Washington DC (Kennedy Center) 120 min. (Au) 9.10.88 Philadelphia (Tower Theater) 116 min. (Au) 9.14.88 Sarasota (Van Wezel Audiotorium) 94 min. (Au) 9.15.88 Miami (Cameo Theater) 91 min. (Au) 9.16.88 New Orleans (McAlistair Auditorium) 110 min. (Au) 9.18.88 Dallas (Starplex Amphitheater) 115 min. (Au) 9.21.88 San Diego (Auditorium) 110 min. (Au) 9.22.88 Los Angeles (Wiltern Theater) 110 min. (Au) 9.23.88 Los Angeles (Wiltern Theater) 110 min. (Au) 9.24.88 Berkeley (Berkeley Community Theater) 105 min. (Au) 9.27.88 Seattle (Paramount Theatre) 120 min. (Au) 9.28.88 Vancouver (Queen Elizabeth Hall) 113 min. (Au) Week 39: The 1988 North American Tour Boots: 8-9.??.88 unknown location 5 min. (SB) 'House of the Rising Sun' Boots: Alien Air Music (CDR) Live in the USA 7' 8.28.88 Columbus (Ohio Theater) Boots: Ardem-O CD (parts 1-2) Collected Endings (part 3) Tapes: 97 min. (Au) 9.7.88 New York (Radio City Music Hall) Boots: Sounds & Effects (excerpt) Tapes: 113 min. (Au) 9.9.88 New Haven (Palace Center) (not Boston ;-) Boots: Spherical Harmonics 1 + 2 Tapes: 115 min. (SB?) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- III.B 1990 Section 1: The Berlin Show Week 40: 2.20.90 Berlin (Werner-Seelenbinder Halle) 106 min. (FM) ----------------------------------------------------- Section 2: 1990 UK Tour (Melrose) Week 41: 1990 UK Tour 10.25.90 Worthing (Assembly Hall) 117 min. (Au) 10.26.90 London (Hammersmith Odeon) 118 min. (Au) 10.27.90 London (Hammersmith Odeon) 104 min (Au) 10.28.90 Manchester (Apollo) 122 min. (Au) 10.29.90 Nottingham (Royal Center) 110 min. (Au) 10.30.90 Sheffield (City Hall) 100 min. (Au) 10.31.90 Edinburgh (Playhouse) 70 min. (Au) 11.2.90 Bradford (St. George's Hall) 115 min. (Au) 11.3.90 Wolverhampton (Civic Hall) 119 min. (Au) 11.4.90 Oxford (Apollo City Hall) 84 min. (Au) Week 42: 11.6.90 Bristol (Colston Hall) Boots: Bicycle Race (LP) 'Singet denn ...' (LP) In den Gaerten Pharaos CD (aka: Pharaos Garden, Realm of Nightmares) Antarktis (CD) -- excerpt Persistence of Vision (3CDR) -- excerpt Tapes: 110 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- III.C 1992 N. American Tour (Rockoon) Official Releases: 220 Volt Live (CD) Dreamtime (CD5) 3 Phase (Vid/LD) Week 43: 1992 North American Tour 10.5.92 Montreal (Salle Wilfrid-Pelletier / Place des Arts) 120 min. (Au) 10.8.92 Boston (Berklee Performing Arts Center) 135 min. (Au) 10.9.92 New York (The Beacon Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.10.92 Philadelphia (Tower Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.13.92 Washington DC (Lisner Auditorium) 125 min. (Au) 10.14.92 Columbus (Palace Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.15.92 Baltimore (Shriver Hall) 120 min. (TV) 10.16.92 Highland Heights, Ohio (Front Row Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.17.92 Chicago (Old Vic Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.20.92 Detroit (Fox Theatre) 120 min. (TV) 10.28.92 San Juan Capistrano (Coach House) 120 min. (Au) 10.30.92 Los Angeles (Wiltern Theatre) 116 min. (TV) Week 44: 1992 North American Tour, the Boots 1992 N. American Tour (unknown venue) 16 min. (Au) Boots: Prayer of Quiet Dreams -- excerpts 10.4.92 Toronto (Music Hall) 60 min. (Au) Boots: Dreaming on Danforth Avenue CD 11.01.92 Ventura (Ventura Theater) Boots: 1992 North American Tour 2CDR Tapes: 120 min. (Au) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- III.D 1995 Week 45: 7.12.95 Los Angeles (SIR Theatre) 'Xsess Living Magazine' premiere (CDR) Boots: The Miramar Years (CDR) Tapes: 45 min. (Au + Vid) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- III.E 1996 Week 46: 11.30.96 London (Shepherd's Bush Empire Theatre) Boots: Persistence of Vision (3CDR) Tapes: 35 min. (Au) (soundcheck) 153 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- III.F 1997 Section 1 1997 European Tour & Boots Week 47: All 1997 Continental European Tour Dates ?? 4.9.97 Vienna (Museumsquartier) 140 min. (Au) ?? 4.10.97 Stuttgart (Philharmonie) 140 min. (Au) 4.11.97 Bonn (Beethovenhalle) Boots: (rumored) Tapes 135 min. (Au) 4.12.97 Munich (Circus Krone Bau) 140 min. (Au) 4.13.97 Erlangen (Stadthalle) 140 min. (Au) 4.15.97 Hamburg (Musikhalle) 140 min. (Au) 4.16.97 Berlin (Hochschule der Kuenste) 170 min. (Au) ??4.17.97 Hannover (Musikhalle) 140 min. (Au) 4.18.97 Frankfurt/Neu-Isenberg (Hugenottenhalle) Boots: Goblins Live Club Box Tapes: 150 min (Au + Vid) 4.19.97 Brussels (Ancienne Belgique) 140 min. (Au+Vid.) 4.20.97 Amsterdam (Melkweg Max) Boots: A'dam Eve (2CDR) Tapes: 143 min. (Au) ?4.22.97 Budapest (Petofi Csarnok) 4.23.97 Zabrze (Dom Muziki I Tanca) 60 min (SB) Official release: Tournado (CD) ??4.24.97 Prague (Sky Club) 6.13.97 Warsaw (Ice Stadium) 60 min. (FM) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Section 2: 1997 UK Tour Week 48: All 1997 UK Tour Dates 10.29.97 Bristol (Colston Hall) 140 min. (Au) 10.31.97 Nottingham (Usher Hall) 140 min. (Au) 11.1.97 Glasgow (Royal Concert Hall) 140 min. (Au) 11.2.97 Leeds (Town and Country Club) 140 min. (Au) 11.3.97 Birmingham (Symphony Hall) 140 min. (Au) 11.4.97 Manchester (Apollo City Hall) 140 min. (Au) 11.6.97 London (Shepherd's Bush Empire) 140 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- III.G 1998 North American Tour Week 49: All 1998 North American Tour Dates [3.27.98 New York (Irving Plaza)] [3.28.98 Washington DC (9:30 Club??)] [4.1.98 Los Angeles (The Palace)] [4.3.98 San Francisco (Maritime Hall)] (**keep yer fingers crossed & knock on wood**) and that's it! This will take us into early 1999 and hopefully we'll be able to add another handful of dates if TD tours in the summer, fall, or autum of 1998! sorry for the long post lars BTW: Lawry, if you decide to take this job on, perhaps you could coax Mark S. and John B into reposting their track lists for several of the tours ... or perhaps you could even coax them into finishing that task ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10040 Re: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule Vic Rek Wed 1/14/1998 4 KB 10041 Re: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule Plumer, Scott Wed 1/14/1998 3 KB 10050 Re: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule Michael Fox Wed 1/14/1998 3 KB 10043 Re: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule Colin Knowles Wed 1/14/1998 3 KB 10046 Re: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule Lars R. Jones Wed 1/14/1998 7 KB 10047 Re: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule KRAUSENECKS Wed 1/14/1998 3 KB 10052 Re: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule Plumer, Scott Wed 1/14/1998 7 KB 12560 Re: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule Lars R. Jones Thu 4/2/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 3:47 am Subject: Re: TD LIVE TAPE LIST, Version 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >>>9.6.88 Boston (Somerville Theater) 109 min. (Au) >>> (NB: this is not Spherical Harmonics source) >>(Source: SB ???) >-- no, I believe this is only an audience tape; remember, as John B and >others have pointed out, while Spherical Harmonics claims to come from the >Boston show, it is really from the New Haven show. As Klaus B says: never >trust what you read on a bootleg! I am definitely learning by leaps and bounds. Thanks, Lars. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 3:58 am Subject: RE: Talking at concerts :-( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 03:03 AM 1/13/1998 EST, Lawry wrote: > >Hilarious post Andrew, had me in stitches. Spot on. I am glad that the humor came through.... Although, I do resent people talking at concerts. I have a friend who is heavily into progrock and always gets four tickets (for him and his wife and me and mine). We went together to a concert a couple of years ago. Apparently, he spends too much time with computers at work, 'cose (chemically enhanced) he wouldn't shut up during the concert. I told him I will never go to a concert with him again. We are still friends. :-) Actually I am quite a peaceful person, but if someone spoiled my ONLY TD concert, I am not sure how I would react. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 3:55 am Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > >Really-From: DJS > > > > >I have to say I don't understand the 'hesitation' with dealing with > >myself or the information I share. I've dealt with several guys on this > >list not to mention many others involving trades, information, etc. Why > >the hell does anyone here question my veracity?? Have I ever lied about > >anything??? Have I ever cheated anyone on this list?? You guys all > >crack me up. If any of you doubt my truth then feel free to ask Vic Rek > >or Bob Grabowsky about my dependability. If you'd all like, I can take > >my info elsewhere to other lists and deny all of you cool things that > >come my way. Besides, this list is becoming more dull than watching a > >fly walk up a wall. How many 'baby tape' & 'love on a real train' > >threads do we need!? Even Goldtri's lackluster 't'shirt' thread is more > >interesting than the latest here. Shape up guys...& realize when > >something good is in the midst! > It sounds like a huge undertaking by a few big fans of TD.. I guess first we'd have to figure out how all this material was come by and if it's mostly a collection of tracks found on other bootlegs complied together into one package. As for me, I'm still young enough to wait for the official releases of all these wonderful tracks--the laws of economics will eventually fall into order. Greg H... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 3:58 am Subject: Re: Tour Dates ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' > > > > I know that this is early, but let's hope they add more dates than this: > 3/27 New York, NY Irving Plaza > 3/28 Washinton D.C. 9:30 Club > 4/1 Los Angeles, CA The Palace > 4/3 San Francisco, CA Maritime Hall > > Although judging from the tight schedule it would seem impracticle to fly > back and forth between coasts. It seems that if they added dates it would > have to be before 3/27 or after 4/3. > > Frank It seems almost crazy to pull New York and D.C into two days.. with only four dates set, they might as well take some time off and enjoy the stay in the U.S. They do give themselves a day between Los Angeles and San Franciso--maybe they'll get into contact will some older members :) Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 5:57 am Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: patricdonaghy@w... (Patric Donaghy) > > I am very interested!! > > Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions I sold out but I should get more. I'll post when I do. Regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 5:58 am Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Christian von Toerne > > >I am very interested!! > > Me too! I sold out but I'll post again when I get more in. Regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 6:05 am Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > >Really-From: DJS > > > > >I have to say I don't understand the 'hesitation' with dealing with > >myself or the information I share. I've dealt with several guys on this > >list not to mention many others involving trades, information, etc. Why > >the hell does anyone here question my veracity?? Have I ever lied about > >anything??? Have I ever cheated anyone on this list?? You guys all > >crack me up. If any of you doubt my truth then feel free to ask Vic Rek > >or Bob Grabowsky about my dependability. If you'd all like, I can take > >my info elsewhere to other lists and deny all of you cool things that > >come my way. Besides, this list is becoming more dull than watching a > >fly walk up a wall. How many 'baby tape' & 'love on a real train' > >threads do we need!? Even Goldtri's lackluster 't'shirt' thread is more > >interesting than the latest here. Shape up guys...& realize when > >something good is in the midst! > > I believe you, Dan! > I know Vic is a reliable guy (met him twice) and he mentioned you, so. > I'm interested! > > Marcel > Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels > Email :fsp@w... I sold out but I'll post again when I get more (if I get more). See the thread for info on the release. Regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 5:10 am Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Keith Richie' >Really-From: Christian von Toerne > > >>I am very interested!! > >Me too! > Me three! Keith A. Richie krichie@w... http://www.netpath.com/~krichie (The Coffee Shop) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 6:52 am Subject: INFO on Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS Okay....because of all the crying...here is the info on the box set. All CD's are screen printed and ARE NOT CDR's. Track listings come on two double sided 'tangerine' pieces of paper that fit inside the case. The case is similar to the first Poland case but has a 4-cd tray inside. For you people out there foolish enough to doubt Captain Dan, here is a track listing. I hope you appreciate this because I find it a tremendous waste of time to type all of this. Here goes (track times excluded to maintain sanity). All titles are remixes or rare singles. Disk One: (contains 70-80 box set stuff) PHILOSOPHICAL CONVERSATION,OSZILLATOR PLANET CONCERT,ULTIMA THULE 1,ULTIMA THULE 2,OVERTURE (O. TYRANNUS),HAUNTED HEIGHTS,CHIME & CHAINS,BARYLL BLUE,MONOLIGHT REMIX,DR DESTRUCTO,CONFRONTATION,CODENAME: THE SOLDIER,DIE RUSSEN KOMMEN (BAUMANN/SCHNIZLER),THE 408 TO PARIS THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING DISK TWO: (contains risky business press kit & tatort singles) OS452,PA701,TROPIC OF CAPRICORN, PIZARRO AND ATHUALIPA,NGC 891,DAS MADCHEN AUF DER TREPPE,FLOCK,KATJA,SPEED,DAYDREAM,MOORLAND,FISHERMAN'S MORNING,ROMANIAN ROAD,SAILING MISSION,GLORIA,THE DREAM IS ALWAYS THE SAME,LOVE ON A REAL TRAIN,CHASED BY GUIDO THE KILLER PIMP,JOEL & THE PORSCHE TAKE A PLUNGE,CATCHING THE EGG,RETURN OF THE GOODSENS,LOVE ON A REAL TRAIN,WARSAW IN THE SUN (SINGLE) DISK THREE: WARSAW IN THE SUN (PART ONE),WARSAW IN THE SUN (PART 2),STREETHAWK (RADIO REMIX),PROLOGUE (LEGEND),UNICORN THEME (LIVE),HORNS OF DOOM,DOLPHIN SMILE,BROTHER OR STRANGER (MUUUCH NICER SQ),SHY PEOPLE (FILM VERSION),SHADOW FLYER (FILM VERSION),A TIME FOR HEROES (EXTENDED), A TIME FOR HEROES (SINGLE),HOUSE OF THE RISING SUN,VERMILLION SANDS (KLEM),ALEXANDER SQUARE (EXTENDED VERSION). DISK FOUR: LOST TALE,OCTAHEDRON PART ONE, OCTAHEDRON PART TWO,I JUST WANNA RULE MY OWN LIFE (INSTRUMENTAL),I JUST WANT TO RULE MY OWN LIFE WITHOUT YOU (VOCAL),ONE NIGHT IN MEDINA, ROARING OF THE BLISS,BEAVER TOWN,MACHIKO,PURPLE HAZE (SINGLE),DREAMTIME (VOCAL),GRAFFITTI STREET(3-PHASE),PHAEDRA (3-PHASE),ORIENTAL HAZE (3-PHASE),LOVE ON A REAL TRAIN (3-PHASE),STORY OF THE BRAVE,QUAZAR,SOUND SAMPLING OF 'NO MAN'S LAND',THE DREAM IS ALWAYS THE SAME (DIALOGUE). There you go. Hope this helps you guys sleep a little better heh. Anyway, I have no more left. Congrats to the guys who called me today & got one. I'll let everyone know if I get more. As I said, as a long time TD fan I was quite impressed with the production. There were some minor flaws (whoever did this production spelled Jerome's name wrong on the back!) but overall it's a great compilation ANY TD fan should have. The sound quality was overall much much better than any compilation I have. Basically you can toss your Forgotten Dreams and Prayer for Quiet Dream CD's. This guy covers it all. Also, the cover features a breast on the cover...so if nudity offends thee....go buy a Playboy and harden yourself to it so you can buy this. The back features the sideview of a babe's butt (I thank whoever for THAT! Now all I need is that Shepard's Bush...right Vic??). If you want more info...you'll have to buy it from one of the guys I launched one out to...or find it someplace else. Please don't email me asking for one. I don't have anymore...and I may never get anymore. If I do...I'll post it here & let everyone know. Regards pilgrims, Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10034 Re: INFO on Electronic Orgy Mike Livsey Wed 1/14/1998 8 KB 10042 Re: INFO on Electronic Orgy Plumer, Scott Wed 1/14/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 7:13 am Subject: FS: Some TD CD's & stuff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS I have the following for sale. Let me know if you want em: Franke: PCH $7 Franke: Enchanting Nature (in original paper tray) $7 Tangerine Dream Collection 3 gold-CD-boxset (Tyger, best of TD, Polands extracts)$12 Kraftwerk 2-$13 Tangerine Dream-Oasis (UK version)-$10 Tangerine Dream Street Hawk 12' LP single $30 (condition is c-7(cutout)$30 T. Dream-Encore 2-LP set (resealed)-$20 T, Dream clear vinyl Force Majeure (cond-c-8+)-$15 Every Which Way But Loose soundtrack-$500 (hehe just kidding...AS IF I would even consider selling my copy of that soundtrack!) hahaha! Lemme know if you want any of these. Regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 2:25 pm Subject: Re: INFO on Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) Hello all, Aha, now I know what I purchased today (at a great price by Canadian standards BTW, DJS)!!! I should have waited until I received the set before reading the listing, but (like a child on X-mas day) I couldn't wait! Folks, you need to place a little faith in the members on this list. They're becoming an endangered species based on the b*llsh*t that seems to go on these days. I've been directed to multiple sources for a couple dozen b**ts from different list members over the years and I've NEVER BEEN BURNED!!! I particularly appreciate DJS's offer, as I don't recall ever seeing such an offer on the list... I'm not going to document the individuals who have 'enlightened' me over time as I don't feel that unsolicited praise is appropriate, but my recommendation would be that people shouldn't be so paranoid! If you want to find out what TD was up to in their glory days, you need to explore these opportunities. I cherish many of my b**ts more than the official releases. If you want to debate what EF had for lunch today, then carry on with the standard posts that seem to be prevalent on this list these days. Check out what Lars has proposed to discuss in '98. I hope that some of us old-timers/gurus/lurkers will return to discuss the real TD. In the meantime, flame away! B-) On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:52:47 -0800, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: DJS > > >Okay....because of all the crying...here is the info on the box set. > >All CD's are screen printed and ARE NOT CDR's. Track listings come on >two double sided 'tangerine' pieces of paper that fit inside the case. >The case is similar to the first Poland case but has a 4-cd tray inside. > >For you people out there foolish enough to doubt Captain Dan, here is a >track listing. I hope you appreciate this because I find it a tremendous >waste of time to type all of this. Here goes (track times excluded to >maintain sanity). All titles are remixes or rare singles. > >Disk One: (contains 70-80 box set stuff) > >PHILOSOPHICAL CONVERSATION,OSZILLATOR PLANET CONCERT,ULTIMA THULE >1,ULTIMA THULE 2,OVERTURE (O. TYRANNUS),HAUNTED HEIGHTS,CHIME & >CHAINS,BARYLL BLUE,MONOLIGHT REMIX,DR DESTRUCTO,CONFRONTATION,CODENAME: >THE SOLDIER,DIE RUSSEN KOMMEN (BAUMANN/SCHNIZLER),THE 408 TO PARIS >THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING > >DISK TWO: (contains risky business press kit & tatort singles) > >OS452,PA701,TROPIC OF CAPRICORN, PIZARRO AND ATHUALIPA,NGC 891,DAS >MADCHEN AUF DER TREPPE,FLOCK,KATJA,SPEED,DAYDREAM,MOORLAND,FISHERMAN'S >MORNING,ROMANIAN ROAD,SAILING MISSION,GLORIA,THE DREAM IS ALWAYS THE >SAME,LOVE ON A REAL TRAIN,CHASED BY GUIDO THE KILLER PIMP,JOEL & THE >PORSCHE TAKE A PLUNGE,CATCHING THE EGG,RETURN OF THE GOODSENS,LOVE ON A >REAL TRAIN,WARSAW IN THE SUN (SINGLE) > >DISK THREE: > >WARSAW IN THE SUN (PART ONE),WARSAW IN THE SUN (PART 2),STREETHAWK >(RADIO REMIX),PROLOGUE (LEGEND),UNICORN THEME (LIVE),HORNS OF >DOOM,DOLPHIN SMILE,BROTHER OR STRANGER (MUUUCH NICER SQ),SHY PEOPLE >(FILM VERSION),SHADOW FLYER (FILM VERSION),A TIME FOR HEROES (EXTENDED), >A TIME FOR HEROES (SINGLE),HOUSE OF THE RISING SUN,VERMILLION SANDS >(KLEM),ALEXANDER SQUARE (EXTENDED VERSION). > >DISK FOUR: > >LOST TALE,OCTAHEDRON PART ONE, OCTAHEDRON PART TWO,I JUST WANNA RULE MY >OWN LIFE (INSTRUMENTAL),I JUST WANT TO RULE MY OWN LIFE WITHOUT YOU >(VOCAL),ONE NIGHT IN MEDINA, ROARING OF THE BLISS,BEAVER >TOWN,MACHIKO,PURPLE HAZE (SINGLE),DREAMTIME (VOCAL),GRAFFITTI >STREET(3-PHASE),PHAEDRA (3-PHASE),ORIENTAL HAZE (3-PHASE),LOVE ON A REAL >TRAIN (3-PHASE),STORY OF THE BRAVE,QUAZAR,SOUND SAMPLING OF 'NO MAN'S >LAND',THE DREAM IS ALWAYS THE SAME (DIALOGUE). > > >There you go. Hope this helps you guys sleep a little better heh. >Anyway, I have no more left. Congrats to the guys who called me today & >got one. I'll let everyone know if I get more. As I said, as a long time >TD fan I was quite impressed with the production. There were some minor >flaws (whoever did this production spelled Jerome's name wrong on the >back!) but overall it's a great compilation ANY TD fan should have. The >sound quality was overall much much better than any compilation I have. >Basically you can toss your Forgotten Dreams and Prayer for Quiet Dream >CD's. This guy covers it all. Also, the cover features a breast on the >cover...so if nudity offends thee....go buy a Playboy and harden >yourself to it so you can buy this. The back features the sideview of a >babe's butt (I thank whoever for THAT! Now all I need is that Shepard's >Bush...right Vic??). If you want more info...you'll have to buy it from >one of the guys I launched one out to...or find it someplace else. >Please don't email me asking for one. I don't have anymore...and I may >never get anymore. If I do...I'll post it here & let everyone know. > >Regards pilgrims, > >Dano -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, The courage to change the things I can and The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really ticked me off!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 6:28 am Subject: Re: NEW T. Dream Box Set (Electronic Orgy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > > It sounds like a huge undertaking by a few big fans of TD.. > I guess first we'd have to figure out how all this material > was come by and if it's mostly a collection of tracks > found on other bootlegs complied together into one > package. > As for me, I'm still young enough to wait > for the official releases of all these wonderful > tracks--the laws of economics will eventually fall into > order. Um, Greg, it's not going to happen. At least not in this lifetime. That's why these boots appear. Dan sold out, anyway... E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 9:16 am Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Right, it's not often that I get annoyed, but some of the responses to my post requesting more information on the above item really p****d me off. I was not stating, implying or insinuating that Dan was trying to rip anyone off!!! Fact - Dan and E-man were responsible (along with others) for some humour some time ago. Fact - Recent posts from other list members have pointed to humourour / hoax releases of items (e.g. Lars' Keep release). Fact - out of the blue, Dan announces that he has, in his possession, a limited number of never before heard-of MULTI-CD compilation of 70 rare/remixed tracks! Fact - Dan refused to name the price, the track titles or describe the cover. He did suggest that it was appropriate to the (somewhat strange / comic) title. My Conclusion - Dan's telling a joke! NOT My Conclusion - Dan's trying to get me to send him $100 and will keep it for himself and not send me anything in return. My Consideration - if Dan is telling the truth, there's bound to be a lot of interest. I'm sure lots of people would like to know more details of this. I'll ask him via the list. When he sees the interest, he may respond to the list with a track listing. RESULT - abuse from Dan (but then that's the norm on both Tadream and Goldtri), abuse from a selection of others for no apparent reason, and the emergence of the usual winging from a number of people about why the list is concentrating on TD instead of talking about more important things like only these people know what! Apologies to the list for the off-topic post. Apologies will be accepted from those responsible either on-list or off-list! ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10045 Electronic Orgy feldon@p... Wed 1/14/1998 2 KB 10056 Re: Electronic Orgy Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 1/15/1998 3 KB 10058 Re: Electronic Orgy Mike Livsey Thu 1/15/1998 5 KB 10057 Re: Electronic Orgy Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 1/15/1998 3 KB 10066 Re: Electronic Orgy Vincent Goudreault Thu 1/15/1998 4 KB 10076 Re: Electronic Orgy Vic Rek Fri 1/16/1998 3 KB 10239 Re: Electronic Orgy Mike Livsey Sat 1/24/1998 3 KB 10085 Re: Electronic Orgy TangerineC Fri 1/16/1998 2 KB 10098 Re: Electronic Orgy Mike Livsey Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 10:54 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #161 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Wilson > Really-From: Lawrysimm > > Whilst at the Manchester gig in november there was someone near me talking all > of the way through [...] I must have been in a quiet spot. The only talking I remember was from the guy next to me when the percussionist (name??) had finished his solo spot at the start of the second set: '... all the musical content of a traffic accident' John W. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 2:08 pm Subject: Response on Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Fellow TADDREAMERS, I couldn't agree more with Mike. If it weren't for members like Dan , I wouldn't have half the collection I have today. He and a few others have MADE my collection and fed my obsession. I like the talk on this list and hope we can all trust each other a little more. After all I don't think any fan's of TD are going to be in the 'moron' camp - it is after all a little higher form of music. Not to criticize metal ( I'm a fan too ) but 'Wango Tango' it ain't! =+) Don't take this the wrong way guys but I don't think that there should be any negativity towards others on this list at all -in the famous words of one individual 'Can't we all just get along?' Chris >Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) >Hello all, >Aha, now I know what I purchased today (at a great price by Canadian standards BTW, DJS)!!! I should have waited until I received the set before reading the listing, but (like a child on X-mas day) I couldn't wait! >Folks, you need to place a little faith in the members on this list. They're becoming an endangered species based on the b*llsh*t that seems to go on these days. >ve been directed to multiple sources for a couple dozen b**ts from different list members over the years and I've NEVER BEEN BURNED!!! >I particularly appreciate DJS's offer, as I don't recall ever seeing such an offer on the list... >I'm not going to document the individuals who have 'enlightened' me over time as I don't feel that unsolicited praise is appropriate, but my recommendation would be that people shouldn't be so paranoid! >If you want to find out what TD was up to in their glory days, you need to explore these opportunities. I cherish many of my b**ts more than the official releases. If you want to debate what EF had for lunch today, then carry on with the standard posts that seem to be prevalent on this list these days. Check out what Lars has proposed to discuss in '98. I hope that some of us old-timers/gurus/lurkers will return to discuss the real TD. In the meantime, flame away! B-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 2:17 pm Subject: Jerome Froese's Radio Show ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Richard Hi! Is there anybody in there could record me the JF's radio show on february 1st please? See ya! :) Michael (: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 2:44 pm Subject: Re: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Dreamers >I've worked up the following proposal for the D:LIVE! schedule. A few notes >about it: This is a fantastic job Lars! I think we should go with this. The basic framework is here. I think that part of the discussion will be the list presented itself. No need to further spend a tremendous amout of time to just come up with the discussion threads. Readers can contribute to the weeks list not only in reviews, but actually boot/tape/pirate/CD-R/compilation/you-name-it entries. So by the end of each week or so, we can have an up-to-date list and print it off for our archives. This will allow us to see what all these CD-Rs, etc. are out there, but only if list members contribute! So this approach would basically satisfy your mentioned items 4 & 5 below: >4) I've tried to incorporate the boots of which I am aware into this list >chronologically somewhat in the format of the 1977 sample that I posted >earlier today. When one considers all the CDR boots (I didn't list many of >these), this represents only a fraction of the extant TD boots. Additions >and corrections are welcome! >5) To address concerns about other material, non-live boots, and pirate >compilations, etc. (alternate versions of the keep, other soundtracks, >etc), I suggest we add on--after the end of the D:LIVE! discusssion--a >'non-official release' addendum that would cover: > 1) unreleased soundtrack material > 2) pirate compilations, etc. > 3) anything else pertinent such as TD on compliations, > remixes, etc. Anyway, I've been quiet about this until now, but I think an approach to this will be beneficial to the list. I wonder how strong the TD Home Page link to this list will be after all these discussions ;-) Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 3:04 pm Subject: RE: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > .70 Berlin (broadcast) 15 min (FM) > .71 Berlin (broadcast) (UT outtake) 9 min. (FM) Once again, I have to reiterate my position: are we really going to spend a whole week discussing 15 minutes of music that probably 90 percent of the people on the list don't have? The live discussion are different than the album discussion, IMHO, in that the live pieces of music were created often mere days apart, and thus aren't all that different in style. Unlike like the albums, which were created months or years apart. And because the live music was created so close together, I think it invites a more comparitive discussion than the albums. 'They were really on this night, they really sucked that night. . .' that sort of thing. And also, I'd guess that not many people have the collection that Lars and others like him have, and many people on the list probably have very few. I have a lot of tapes compared to most, but my collection is still modest compared to the likes of Lars (even though I got him started :-), Klaus B., etc. So, I think the vast majority of list members would feel left out and would tune out once we started talking about obscure tapes that few of us have. Lumping a whole tour into one week would, I think, allow the live-tape-impaired among us to comparison shop, and select the best tapes first, and get the obsessive-compulsive tapes later. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10050 Re: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule Michael Fox Wed 1/14/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 3:29 pm Subject: RE: INFO on Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >cover...so if nudity offends thee....go buy a Playboy and harden >yourself to it so you can buy this. The back features the sideview of a 'Harden yourself?' :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 3:58 pm Subject: Re: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > .70 Berlin (broadcast) 15 min (FM) > > .71 Berlin (broadcast) (UT outtake) 9 min. (FM) > And also, I'd guess that not many people have the collection > that Lars and others like him have, and many people on the list probably > have very few. I have a lot of tapes compared to most, but my collection Call me strange if you want to, but I don't have any live tapes! Nor do I have any bootlegs either.. Colin (On the look out for a new pair of speakers..) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 4:04 pm Subject: Oasis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles Hi all, Been listening to the Oasis CD recently and have a couple of comments.. Firstly, is it, like most soundtracks, better with the video footage. Bit too boring for me otherwise. Also, seems to me to be more of an EF effort than a JF thing. Comparing it with Goblin's Club and Tyranny of Beauty, Oasis sounds a little like a late '80's early '90's album-hence the idea that EF mainly wrote it. Any ideas anyone? Colin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10049 Re: Oasis Florine Epure Wed 1/14/1998 6 KB 10065 Re: Oasis Colin Knowles Thu 1/15/1998 4 KB 10068 Re: Oasis Erik Sanborn Thu 1/15/1998 6 KB 11302 Re: Oasis Jim Moore Sun 2/22/1998 4 KB 15098 Oasis Richard Bilek Sun 6/28/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 4:10 pm Subject: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... Kicking myself for not having ordered this thing. feldon@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10056 Re: Electronic Orgy Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 1/15/1998 3 KB 10058 Re: Electronic Orgy Mike Livsey Thu 1/15/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 4:05 pm Subject: RE: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I think scott was right when in a previous message he said we should get feedback from other listees as well. OK, now my responses:-) >> .70 Berlin (broadcast) 15 min (FM) >> .71 Berlin (broadcast) (UT outtake) 9 min. (FM) >Once again, I have to reiterate my position: are we really going >to spend a whole week discussing 15 minutes of music that probably 90 >percent of the people on the list don't have? -- Ummm, well, if you re-read the list, you will see quite clearly that the schedule does not slate just these two tapes for discussion in week one; _sadly, you seem to be mis-representing the issue just to make a point_. Surely you couldn't help but noticing the other c.10 tapes also slated for the same discussion? I think by listing whatever is available will give more people a chance to participate. maybe some will mention these. maybe not. I don't think the discussion would get hung up on these two tapes but if it did, well isn't that one purpose of this thread? Remember, we have yet to discuss rare trax by TD so UT has never even been discussed on the d;list.... In the same vein, didn't the first d:list include such titles as Rumpelstiltskin, The Man Inside, etc. that 90 percent of the people on the list didn't have either? exactly how many responses did you get during some of these weeks? as one of the 90 percent at the time, I found the discussions enlightening and was glad these items were included since I didn't even know about them then. If the list so desires, however, I'll be happy to go through and hack out all the 'obscure' tapes and boots; then we can probably whittle the D:Live! discussion down to fit into the month of April ;-) >The live discussion are >different than the album discussion, IMHO, in that the live pieces of >music were created often mere days apart, and thus aren't all that >different in style. Unlike like the albums, which were created months or >years apart. And because the live music was created so close together, I >think it invites a more comparitive discussion than the albums. 'They >were really on this night, they really sucked that night. . .' that sort >of thing. -- this is where I completely disagree with you. and this is why I have tried to separate the discussion into three phases. The early material -- especially in the 1970s --- often differs substantially from show to show. As EF said once TD was 'the world's highest paid rehearsal band.' Rehearsals denote the changing and fluid nature of these early compositions. Things change in the early material radically and often many of the shows within one tour are each unique creations. Scott, sit down and listen to all of the 74, the 75, the 76, or the 77 shows and you will see what I mean. Nevertheless, what you say becomes more true in the mid-80s and is definitely true after 1988. that is why I have tried to group these latter tours together within 1 or 2 weeks. BTW: np: 10.4.75 coventry the real show.... >So, I think the vast majority of list >members would feel left out and would tune out once we started talking >about obscure tapes that few of us have. -- we need to hear from the list on this point; I'd say most tapes are obscure but so are most boots for that matter. I'm not saying the schedule can't be reduced by another 6-7 weeks, it can. If the list decides it wants to go tour by tour or year by year that's fine with me. >Lumping a whole tour into one >week would, I think, allow the live-tape-impaired among us to comparison >shop, and select the best tapes first, and get the obsessive-compulsive >tapes later. --- remember also, that when you lump 10 or more shows into one week that you are talking about listening to 15+ hours of music. OK, so most people might only have one or two of these tapes or boots, do you really have the time to listen to 3+ hours of music frequently enough to contribute to the d:list? The same goes for boots, do you really have the time to listen to CAE 1+2 and the Orange festival in one week and write something intelligent about both of them (both are fairly common boots existing in multiple issues)? I haven't even had the time to participate in the d:solo list (but plan to participate in the d:live! list ;-) And faced with such a daunting task, those with more tapes and boots (and thus more to share with the tape/boot impoverished) are going to be less inclined to offer their opinions of more than one show each week if that. just my thoughts lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 5:28 pm Subject: RE: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Hi, My 2 cents: I think this is a great idea. Even if I don't have the recording, I love to hear the dicussions. Whilst I don't often post on the subjects due to the fact that my computer is at work and not at home, I do read them and then search out the recordings. The fact that someone is willing to put the time and effort that Lar's and Lawry have ( even so far ) should be commended, as the list will go on anyway, so why not mandate a main discussion. And not to mention Lar's will then be getting large tape shipments from me..... Also , I am in the middle of a move, but when I am unpacked and settled in I will be happy to help anyone with the music I have. If it weren't for fan to fan exchange- where would we be? Some list members are content with the official releases , but I also like the live stuff and it's not all availible as we know. I like the list Lar's has laid out and hope it goes through IMHO. Thanks ! Chris From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 6:23 pm Subject: D: White Out ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' It seems that everyone is discussing the future of the D: list and the new Electronic Orgy. No-one has discussed the fantastic solo album White Out by J. Scmoelling yet. And this album needs to be reviewed! White Out - Riet Studio 1989 1. White Out 12:01 2. Navigator's chatter 5:45 3. Native Eye, Native Ear 6:50 4. Ice Walk 6:09 5. The Big Nail 4:38 6. A Great Continent 8:17 7. Anian Path 5:14 What can I say. This one also took me a while to get. And I'm glad I have it! This is a superb album. Together with Wuivend Riet my fav. You can definitely hear a great composer/performer is at work here. The music builds up good and there are some great melodies and typical Schmoelling-solos. I'm not going to discuss each track, but one of my fav. one is A Great Continent. Very dark in the beginning and then a solo which I haven't even heard from him when he was in TD. Pleezz mr. Schmoelling, make another album. There are so few of them. (IMO, better then what TD brings out these days) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10061 Re: D: White Out Mike Livsey Thu 1/15/1998 5 KB 10069 Re: D: White Out Erik Sanborn Thu 1/15/1998 6 KB 10074 Re: D: White Out Mike Livsey Fri 1/16/1998 4 KB 10075 Re: D: White Out Vic Rek Fri 1/16/1998 3 KB 10079 Re: D: White Out Mike Livsey Fri 1/16/1998 3 KB 10088 Re: D: White Out Erik Sanborn Fri 1/16/1998 4 KB 10092 D: White Out Jim Moore Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 6:40 pm Subject: Re: Oasis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Florine Epure' tadream mailing list wrote: >Been listening to the Oasis CD recently and have a >couple of comments.. >Firstly, is it, like most soundtracks, better with >the video footage. Bit too boring for >me otherwise. Actually I think this is one of TD's best releases - I don't have the video - but the music stands on its own. >Also, seems to me to be more of an EF effort than >a JF thing. Comparing it with Goblin's >Club and Tyranny of Beauty, Oasis sounds a little >like a late '80's early '90's album-hence >the idea that EF mainly wrote it. Yes - there are some tracks that really sound like Froese solo tracks - probably EF is digging into that 60-70 hours of his unreleased material :) This release is a lot different in style from any 90's TD release. We hear some Goblin's Club influences (from the good tracks from GC) - for example in Oasis first track, but otherwise it is different and a lot better that any 90's TD release.EF has contributed a lot to this release-you can clearly hear it in the style of music-I don't know how much JF contributed to it-probably the mixing is done by him and he does as always a good job. Best tracks are:track1 Flasfood and track 5 Waterborne Track1:some GC influences but the melody is changing very smoothly - very nice themes and excellent linked together (a very interesting persussion change around 4:50 min).You listen to it 7 minutes and at the end of the track you don't even realize how fast time passed when you enjoy the music you hear. Track5:this track has 3 parts-parts 1,2 are from the 92 live tour-I listened to it from the Ventura 92 show and it was good but it wasn't extraordinary - but on Oasis - they have a much better musical arrangement for it - But this is not all-last portion of Waterborne-part 3-(from around 3:00min)is not from 92 tour-I presume it is some Froese solo theme linked here-the theme is one of the best themes from TD-this is classic TD with an excellent sequencer theme-not a lot of JF drumming (thanks EF for not letting him destroy this piece)-and clearly EF style guitar solo (5:30 to 6:30min)-I listened to this track lots of times and this third part is one clearly to remember a long time-again one of TD's best. If you want to introduce somebody to TD's music and concentrate in one track all that TD means-I would choose Waterbore for this. The other tracks:quite good all of them.I'll just mention track 6: clearly EF solo track - quiet tune melody-I imagine this track with mellotron as lead instrument - and I see EF's Epsilon from 75 (and I like it). Chia Maroon-the bonus track-surprisingly good track (for once I waited and didnt buy the European release of Oasis-and I got rewarded with one nice bonus track) Rating:4.5AS rating to Oasis-I liked it a lot-it shows us again how good EF can be - when he wants it-and this is an indication that he still is the leader of TD. Comparing Oasis with Canyon Dreams:they are both very good - my personal preference between these two would still be Canyon Dreams (of course without last track Colorado Dawn)-but all I can say is this:on Oasis you only hear Edgar but on Canyon Dreams you hear Edgar,Chris AND Paul Haslinger-and what a good combination it was! I am looking forward to hear all those unreleased soundtrack he is working on-and hopefully some reference concerts also (Manchester 76, Paris 76) 80 Tour,81 Tour,... and the list goes on and on. But for now : very good work Edgar, thanks a lot for the Oasis CD! Florin. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 2:14 pm Subject: RE: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 10:04 AM 1/14/98 -0500, you wrote: > And also, I'd guess that not many people have the collection >that Lars and others like him have, and many people on the list probably >have very few. So, I think the vast majority of list >members would feel left out and would tune out once we started talking >about obscure tapes that few of us have. Lumping a whole tour into one >week would, I think, allow the live-tape-impaired among us to comparison >shop, and select the best tapes first, and get the obsessive-compulsive >tapes later. > > Scott > I'd agree with Scott on this--I have just a couple of live things, and while I enjoy the dissection and discussion, a general yak about the 'best' copy of X performance would be of a bigger help to those 'impaired' individuals like myself. Then you all who have these tapes can look for a lot of 'please copy' messages tumbling out your mailbox!:-) Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 2:14 pm Subject: Wired Online Trader Article ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox > >Hi there, > >Sorry if this has been posted before, but I think it's too interesting >to ignore! > >Read on! > > > >-------------- > >> Trade a Tape, Go to Jail? >> by Steve Silberman >> >> >> Compared to the March super-bust of 13 individuals in 12 countries >> on >> 40 counts of conspiring to manufacture and distribute bootleg CDs, >> the >> shutting down of a single Web site by the administration of a small >> East >> Coast university may seem insignificant. >> >> The implications of the shutdown, however - following a series of >> letters to the >> university by the Recording Industry Association of America - are >> causing ripples in >> the online world of tape traders, fans for whom a trickle of studio >> albums by their >> favorite artists isn't enough. >> >> Why did the RIAA single out this site - not much different from >> thousands of others on the Net, where traders post their 'lists' in >> hopes >> of expanding their collections - threatening the site's owner with a >> five-year jail sentence and a US $250,000 fine for copyright >> infringement? >> >> Unlike several Pearl Jam fan sites shut down by RIAA threats in >> recent >> months, the site - which was run by a university staffer who asked >> not >> to be identified - never featured advance, unauthorized copies of >> studio >> releases. The site was devoted strictly to the trading of >> high-quality >> concert recordings, some of which were recorded by the staffer >> himself, a >> Bruce Springsteen aficionado well-respected by other online traders. >> >> >> His troubles began a few weeks ago, when email arrived from someone >> in Washington, DC, who said they wanted to conduct a trade. The >> particular kind of exchange requested was what is known in trading >> circles as a 'newbie trade,' newbie being the term for someone who >> is >> just getting started in the world of trading, and who thus usually >> cannot >> offer a swap of one show for another. >> >> Newbie trades often involve the trading of one live recording for >> one or >> two blank tapes, the extra blank being the payment for the trader's >> time >> and effort in copying the tape. Most traders, obviously, would >> rather >> enlarge their collections than trade for blanks, but when a trader's >> collection reaches a certain level of comprehensiveness, there's not >> much >> out there left to trade. At that point, many traders retire from the >> circuit, >> or only trade with other connoisseurs for extreme rarities. Other >> traders - >> wanting to give something back to the trading community - make the >> fruits of their years of hunting and gathering available to newbies. >> >> >> The university staffer says he spent up to 25 hours a week >> 'spinning' >> tapes, many of them for newbies. The sheer volume of mail moving >> through his house - blank cassettes, self-addressed bubble-wrap >> envelopes, postage - became overwhelming. >> >> 'People would send me boxes of 100 blanks and ask me to make them >> 50 tapes,' he recalls. 'I was trading with people all over the >> world.' >> >> Finally, he decided to streamline the operation by asking newbies to >> send >> him $6 for one tape, instead of two blanks and return postage. He >> didn't >> make any profit, he says, and his wife was happier with the reduced >> volume of mail. 'I thought I was helping everyone,' he says. >> >> To the RIAA, however, a Web site proffering unauthorized recordings >> for >> cash, even with no profit margin, smells like a professional >> bootlegging >> operation. In the eyes of the group's Anti-Piracy Unit, the site was >> a >> 'commercial operation.' The staffer maintains that his site was run >> purely 'to spread the music.' >> >> The issue became even more complex in December, with the passage of >> the No Electronic Theft Act, designed to boost penalties for illegal >> copying of software and other intellectual property - including >> concert >> recordings and videos - for 'financial gain.' For traders, one >> particularly >> unsettling section of the law defines 'financial gain' as 'the >> receipt, or >> expectation of receipt, of anything of value, including the receipt >> of >> other copyrighted works.' >> >> So is tape trading now illegal by definition - even trades where no >> money changes hands? >> Yes and no. Director Steve D'Onofrio says the Anti-Piracy Unit looks >> at >> the scale of trading involved. 'One individual trading with one >> individual >> is not a problem,' he says. >> The RIAA's position 'has been to focus on commercial businesses >> where there is blatant copyright infringement,' D'Onofrio says, >> singling >> out MPEG archive sites where unauthorized recordings are uploaded >> and >> downloaded directly from the Net - especially sites offering studio >> material before the release date. >> >> So can old-school snail-mail traders relax? Not quite. When a trader >> posts >> his or her list to the Web, D'Onofrio says, they approach the 'very >> thin >> line' between commercial sites and non-commercial sites. >> >> In D'Onofrio's view, when a trader puts his list online, 'then it's >> not just >> one person trading a tape. The entire world can get on the Internet. >> It's a >> much larger problem.' The RIAA has also decided to target .edu >> sites, >> which it believes are hotbeds of copyright infringement and >> marketing of >> unauthorized recordings - 'particularly universities that allow >> students to >> develop their own Web sites,' D'Onofrio says. >> >> Thickening the plot, the RIAA regards newbie trades of one show for >> two blanks as a kind of profiteering. >> >> Most online traders, however, will not wake up tomorrow morning and >> find RIAA letters in their mailboxes, as that Springsteen collector >> did, >> which resulted in the university taking down his site and stripping >> him >> of his email address. >> >> D'Onofrio says the RIAA usually will not move forward with an >> investigation until it has a signed affidavit from the artist to do >> so. >> Though some artists discourage all trading of unofficial recordings, >> others - like Phish, Widespread Panic, and the Allman Brothers - >> encourage online tape trading as a way of building their audience. >> >> 'Arguably, if there were no live tapes, people who wanted to hear >> Phish >> live would be forced to buy the albums. But the audience would be >> far >> smaller,' observes Shelly Culbertson, ticketing and Internet manager >> for >> Phish, which has released two live albums in the past three years, >> despite the fact that there are hundreds of live Phish tapes >> available from >> traders on the Net. >> >> Culbertson believes the band is 'actively accommodating' tapers and >> traders with special tapers' seats at concerts, and said that >> non-interference >> with fan Web sites like phish.net, has been 'more effective, from a >> publicity point of view, than radio and MTV.' >> >> Rich Breton, an online Springsteen trader with over 200 hours of >> live >> performances in his collection, thinks the RIAA should draw firmer >> distinctions between traders who are circulating the music for the >> love of >> it, and those who are in the game for profit. >> >> 'When it comes down to newbie trades, there should be some sort of >> guidelines to allow personal use,' Breton says. Most of the traders >> he >> knows make a 'huge distinction' between pre-release copies of studio >> material and live tapes, he says. >> >> Besides, Breton observes, 'Anyone I know who trades already has all >> the >> official releases, and if they're really into it, they even have the >> import >> CDs with special extra tracks.' >> >> While the RIAA's D'Onofrio allows that small-scale traders have 'not >> been a major issue up to now,' he says, 'the Net changes >> everything.' > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10053 Re: Wired Online Trader Article Plumer, Scott Wed 1/14/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 7:47 pm Subject: RE: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' OK Lars, the gloves are coming off! :-) >>> .70 Berlin (broadcast) 15 min (FM) >>> .71 Berlin (broadcast) (UT outtake) 9 min. (FM) >>Once again, I have to reiterate my position: are we really going >>to spend a whole week discussing 15 minutes of music that probably 90 >>percent of the people on the list don't have? >-- Ummm, well, if you re-read the list, you will see quite clearly that >the schedule does not slate just these two tapes for discussion in >week one; _sadly, you seem to be mis-representing the issue just to make a >point_. Come one, Lars, you know me better than that! Do you really think I'd _deliberately_ distort what you said? You can always rightly accuse me of negligence or laziness, but . . . ah, forget it. >Surely you couldn't help but noticing the other c.10 tapes also slated for >the same discussion? OK, I guess I misunderstood your list. Actually, I just didn't read it very carefully the first time. :-)Now it looks like a compromise between the two, right? That seems better, since lumping the longer tour might not have been a great idea, and devoting a whole week to such unexciting shows as the Fassbinder Mem. or Athens '84 probably wasn't great either. >I think by listing whatever is available will give more people a chance to >participate. >maybe some will mention these. maybe not. I don't think the discussion >would get hung up on these two tapes but if it did, well isn't that one >purpose of this thread? Remember, we have yet to discuss rare trax by TD >so UT has never even been discussed on the d;list.... What I objected to was slogging through each tape, devoting a week to every show. _I_ would lose interest after a while too, and I'm a tapehead. >In the same vein, didn't the first d:list include such titles as >Rumpelstiltskin, The Man Inside, etc. that 90 percent of the people on the >list didn't have either? exactly how many responses did you get during >some of these weeks? as one of the 90 percent at the time, I found the Absolutely, and we didn't get many responses, but I certainly didn't want the responsibility of deciding which of their official releases didn't merit a whole week, especially since I didn't, and still don't, have them all! >discussions enlightening and was glad these items were included since I >didn't even know about them then. If the list so desires, however, I'll be >happy to go through and hack out all the 'obscure' tapes and boots; then we >can probably whittle the D:Live! discussion down to fit into the month of >April ;-) The object of my list was to include everything, but not get bogged down in minutiae. >>The live discussion are >>different than the album discussion, IMHO, in that the live pieces of >>music were created often mere days apart, and thus aren't all that <...> >-- this is where I completely disagree with you. and this is why I have >tried to separate >the discussion into three phases. The early material -- especially in the >1970s --- often differs >substantially from show to show. As EF said once TD was 'the world's Does it? Certainly they play something different every night, since the nature of their music demands it, but stylistically they're similar -- they didn't play Rubycon one night and Stratosfear the next! Honestly, listening to Adelaide and Melbourne '75, I can't tell the difference between the two. Sure, they're different, but if I heard one without knowing what it was, I sure couldn't identify it! >highest paid >rehearsal band.' Rehearsals denote the changing and fluid nature of these >early compositions. Things change in the early material radically and often >many of the shows within one tour are each unique creations. Scott, sit Of course they are, but I don't think that what they played differed from one night to the next all that much! At least not so much that they couldn't be discussed as one. >down and listen to all of the 74, the 75, the 76, or the 77 shows and you >will see what I mean. On the contrary, the 77 shows were VERY similar from one night to the next, even to the point of having the same melodies and that 5-beat snare drum that appears on Encore. Cleveland, Detroit, DC and Santa Monica are all very similar. >--- remember also, that when you lump 10 or more shows into one week that >you are talking about listening to 15+ hours of music. OK, so most people >might only have one or two of these tapes or boots, do you really have the >time to listen to 3+ hours of music frequently enough to contribute to the >d:list? The same goes for boots, do you really have the time to listen to Honestly, I rarely had time to listen to the legit releases during the original D: list. >(but plan to participate in the d:live! list ;-) And faced with such a >daunting task, those with more tapes and boots (and thus more to share with >the tape/boot impoverished) are going to be less inclined to offer their >opinions of more than one show each week if that. Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps we should elicit some reponses from the masses. . . (most of whom I'm sure have tired of this discussion already! :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 8:29 pm Subject: RE: Wired Online Trader Article ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>> Trade a Tape, Go to Jail? >>> by Steve Silberman Hey, thanks, that was really interesting! I'll save my usual long-winded reply for my web page, and say only this: the RIAA is biting the hands that feed them. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 14, 1998 8:42 pm Subject: LATEST INFO ON 5th ALFA EM FESTIVAL, READ ALL ABOUT IT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Snelders, Eric' LATEST INFORMATION ON 5th ALFA CENTAURI ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL saturday march 21, 1998 theatre 3-in-1 Huizen, the netherlands with concerts of ARC (Boddy/Shreeve), Schonwalder & Keller, Nagle, Alquimia, Jenkins, Rainbow Serpent and Syndromeda it looks this festival is going to be the largest event on EM this year...... ticket sales is going very, very well there are only a very limited number of stalls still available and it looks we are going for a full house ! please remember that advanced ticket reservation is the cheapest AND safest way to ensure your tickets for this event (advanced bookings until march 15) Besides the superb musical concert-program, we can now announce that a large number of interesting companies (hardware, software, synt's, samplers, studio equipment etc) will be present there will be demo's on the 2nd stage from Centrum Electronische Muziek with vintage equipment and from Mopro with the newest software products, furthermore Steinberg and Event electronics will be present, KORG, Emagic, Yamaha, Sound academy with interesting demo's and lots, lots more ! More interesting names to follow ! And did you know that ARC will perform with two large modular synth systems on stage ? More juicy details to follow ! For further information or reservations please see previous emails ! Tickets only fl 25,- advanced booking, fl 30,- at box-office Phone/fax (+31) (0) 35-5265635 or phone (+31) (0) 35-5267679 for info on stalls: (+31) (0) 299-647630 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: At Darwins Motel..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Alistair Hull >Really-From: Colin Knowles >Hi, >Anyone any ideas what is being said/sung by the >female voice in AD'sM? >Some of it sound english, some not.. >Also, any ideas who it is? My credits just mention >the Royal Buckminster Choir >who, I presume just do the bassy 'Aaarrgghh' bits. You're right, the singing isn't credited on TD, but Enigma use the SAME vocal on track 6 (The Child in US) on the Enigma 3 Album (Le Roi est mort, Vive le Roi) They credit samples on their album but don't atttribute which samples to which track, and they say their samples come from :- GREGORIANI KANTUS/PIERRE KAELIN with kind permission of Tudor Records LETTONIE - MUSIQUE DES RITES SOLAIRES by RASA ENSEMBLE RIGA VOCAL and INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC of MONGOLIA (sorry to shout, but that From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 1:09 am Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:10 AM 1/14/1998 -0600, you wrote: >Kicking myself for not having ordered this thing. > Don't! Captain Dano is very selective to whom he replies and whom he ignores. My reply, posted immediately after his post appeared on Tdream and conforming exactly to his original post ('if you are intersted in more info, e-mail me') remanins unanswered. Makes one wonder...what are the selection criteria for such 'gifts?' Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10058 Re: Electronic Orgy Mike Livsey Thu 1/15/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 3:56 am Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 5:09 PM > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > > At 10:10 AM 1/14/1998 -0600, you wrote: > > >Kicking myself for not having ordered this thing. > > > > Don't! Captain Dano is very selective to whom he replies and whom > he ignores. What a crock... > > My reply, posted immediately after his post appeared on Tdream > and conforming exactly to his original post ('if you are > intersted in more info, e-mail me') remanins unanswered. > > Makes one wonder...what are the selection criteria for such 'gifts?' > > Andrew Interesting observation, Andrew, considering the people who bought the not-even-two-handfuls-worth-of-copies of Electronic Orgy were people WHO CALLED SUPER COLLECTOR'S 1-800 number, which Dan has posted numerous times. As the people called, and they may identify themselves on this list, Dan reserved them a copy, or mailed it if they paid with a credit card. If Dan hasn't replied to you, he will. In the meantime, don't be so judgmental. It was just a case of 'first come, first served.' E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 1:30 pm Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:09:57 -0600, you wrote: > >>Kicking myself for not having ordered this thing. >> > >Don't! Captain Dano is very selective to whom he replies and whom >he ignores. > >My reply, posted immediately after his post appeared on Tdream >and conforming exactly to his original post ('if you are >intersted in more info, e-mail me') remanins unanswered. > >Makes one wonder...what are the selection criteria for such 'gifts?' > >Andrew > Bullshit! (uh, the typical TD list flame bait response.... Use, 'I would beg to differ' if you're used to responding on other lists...) First of all, DJS asked for people to reply off list. I entirely concur with this as it's not something to be conducted in public. Actually, I'm amazed that the original offer appeared in the first place as it was EXCEPTIONALLY generous! I definitely would have lost out on this release otherwise so I count my blessings Here's my history of the transaction: - I read the original post - I sent DJS a private e-mail and he responded back a couple of hours later with an 800 number to call (times vary based on which ISP you're using). - I tried it, but it didn't work from Canada, so I sent him another e-mail, gave him my number, and also requested a direct number if he didn't want to call me. - He responded around an hour after with a direct line number. - I called it and got someone else on the phone. I asked for Dan and, lo and behold, there he was. - I placed my order via VISA. $69.95 plus S/H. Bargoon folks!!! Now I've got a copy on its way which should show up sometime next week. In the 0.00001% chance that I was fleeced, I've got the name and address of the company that charged me for services not rendered (it's amazing what you can do with e-mail addresses and phone numbers on the Internet these days). Have some faith people!!! Suffice it to say that fleecing doesn't work unless it's some 'so and so' offering some KS box set, or something (jab! you know who I'm talking about. Nice idea, wrong price!); just ask 'Den for Men' (unsuccessfully fleeced twice) in Canada. Oh sorry, they, uh, went bankrupt a few years ago... As someone who's NOT anywhere near close to the sources of these gems, I recommend that people who are interested in the wealth of unofficial TD material pay attention to who's posting what on this list. There are people out there who ARE the source, one step away from the source, or are reputable references for those who are the gatekeepers of these gems. I've got a couple of dozen CD's/CD-R's based on the individuals on this list and I have no other means of finding out about them... Unfortunately, that's the only reason why I still hang around.... Regards. -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, The courage to change the things I can and The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really ticked me off!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 7:33 am Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy (crying) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > e: > > >Kicking myself for not having ordered this thing. > > > > Don't! Captain Dano is very selective to whom he replies and whom > he ignores. You are somewhat correct. I DO ignore people I heartily dislike (it's the normal human thing to do). Otherly, I am a very, very busy guy and the overwhelming response to the CD's prompted me to post publicly that I was sold out. Certain people have priority when I get something cool, these people being people I already know who are courteous and cool (also the normal human thing to do...friends & family before strangers right?). As I do not appreciate your accusations and assumptions I shall place you on the list of people who choose not to do business with me. > > My reply, posted immediately after his post appeared on Tdream > and conforming exactly to his original post ('if you are > intersted in more info, e-mail me') remanins unanswered. Why answer something I've answered publicly already. By the time I got your email I already posted publicly I was out of the cd's. I also ignored any responses insinuating I was joking or 'daring' me to prove it. > > Makes one wonder...what are the selection criteria for such 'gifts?' I think I just answered this question. > > Andrew Regards, Dan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10073 Re: Electronic Orgy (crying) Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 1/15/1998 4 KB 10096 Haslinger video Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 6:33 am Subject: D:White Out ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' It seems my last message didn't came through,so here it is again: It seems that everyone is discussing the future of the D: list and the new Electronic Orgy. No-one has discussed the fantastic solo album White Out by J. Scmoelling yet. And this album needs to be reviewed! White Out - Riet Studio 1989 1. White Out 12:01 2. Navigator's chatter 5:45 3. Native Eye, Native Ear 6:50 4. Ice Walk 6:09 5. The Big Nail 4:38 6. A Great Continent 8:17 7. Anian Path 5:14 What can I say. This one also took me a while to get. And I'm glad I have it! This is a superb album. Together with Wuivend Riet my fav. You can definitely hear a great composer/performer is at work here. The music builds up good and there are some great melodies and typical Schmoelling-solos. I'm not going to discuss each track, but one of my fav. one is A Great Continent. Very dark in the beginning and then a solo which I haven't even heard from him when he was in TD. Pleezz mr. Schmoelling, make another album. There are so few of them. (IMO, better then what TD brings out these days) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 1:52 pm Subject: Re: D: White Out ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:23:27 +0100, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > >It seems that everyone is discussing the future of the D: list and >the new Electronic Orgy. No-one has discussed the fantastic >solo album White Out by J. Scmoelling yet. >And this album needs to be reviewed! > >White Out - Riet Studio 1989 > >1. White Out 12:01 >2. Navigator's chatter 5:45 >3. Native Eye, Native Ear 6:50 >4. Ice Walk 6:09 >5. The Big Nail 4:38 >6. A Great Continent 8:17 >7. Anian Path 5:14 > >What can I say. This one also took me a while to get. And I'm >glad I have it! >This is a superb album. Together with Wuivend Riet my fav. >You can definitely hear a great composer/performer is at work >here. The music builds up good and there are some great >melodies and typical Schmoelling-solos. >I'm not going to discuss each track, but one of my fav. one is >A Great Continent. Very dark in the beginning and then a >solo which I haven't even heard from him when he was in TD. >Pleezz mr. Schmoelling, make another album. There are so >few of them. (IMO, better then what TD brings out these days) > >Marcel >Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels >Email :fsp@w... > > I agree completely. IMHO, Schmoelling has progressed significantly with each release, so this was definitely his best at the time. He still blows away any current/former TD member in the solo release department BY FAR!!! (well, from what I've heard at least <;-) ) It's a lot more experimental and less up beat than 'Wuivend Riet' or 'The Zoo of Tranquillity' (has it been re-released yet????). 'Ice Walk' contains a section that was previously played by TD (in a different variation) on their early 80 something tour. You can definitely connect the piece with the boots 'Ratikon' and '3 Tier Dream' (Digital Times part 2). As it was the highlight of the respective b**ts, IMHO, I guess I now know who was the source. It's a shame that Schmoelling has never succeeded in 'ruling the world' as he is EXTREMELY TALENTED. I guess the problem is that no one knows who he is, he doesn't release very often, and the record companies that he picks are big time duds. Hmmmmm, kind of sounds like Shreeve, doesn't it! -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, The courage to change the things I can and The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really ticked me off!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 7:56 am Subject: MORE Electronic Orgy's-$69.99 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS Confirmed: I have more Electronic Orgy's on the way so if you missed out on the first batch here's your chance to get one. You can pre-order one by calling me on Saturday the 17th (I'm off for the next 2 days) or you can email me at this address to let me know that you want one and I'll gladly process the order when I get in on Sat. These are first come first served so no crying if you don't get one, okay Andy? All rude people's orders will gladly be placed at the end of the pile of orders so please just be cool & patient. If I don't get back to you immediately it's because I'm a very busy guy and I'm enjoying my time off from work. Regards, Dano PS: The # to call is 1-800-99-sci-fi or if you are out of the country 714-839-3693. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10063 Re: MORE Electronic Orgy's-$69.99 Patric Donaghy Thu 1/15/1998 3 KB 10064 Re: MORE Electronic Orgy's-$69.99 DJS Thu 1/15/1998 3 KB 10070 Re: MORE Electronic Orgy's-$69.99 Francisco Salgado C. Fri 1/16/1998 3 KB 10072 Re: MORE Electronic Orgy's-$69.99 Francisco Salgado C. Fri 1/16/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 7:37 am Subject: Re: MORE Electronic Orgy's-$69.99 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: patricdonaghy@w... (Patric Donaghy) Dano, I had requested a copy before....but you were sold out. I hope you can accomodate me this time. My phone # is 415-564-8612. Thanks!!! Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 9:25 am Subject: Re: MORE Electronic Orgy's-$69.99 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: patricdonaghy@w... (Patric Donaghy) > > Dano, I had requested a copy before....but you were sold out. I hope you > can accomodate me this time. My phone # is 415-564-8612. Thanks!!! > > Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions Okay, I'll keep your number on file and call you when I get em. You might want to call & place the order on Saturday after 11PST (just so I have all of your information and can send it the day they arrive). That way you are assured of getting one. Regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 10:22 am Subject: Re: Oasis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Florine Epure' > > Track1:some GC influences but the melody is changing very smoothly - > very nice themes and excellent linked together (a very interesting > persussion change around 4:50 min).You listen to it 7 minutes and at the > end of the track you don't even realize how fast time passed when you > enjoy the music you hear. > Just realised this is also on Tornado isn't it? > If you want to introduce somebody to TD's music and concentrate in one > track all that TD means-I would choose Waterbore for this. > True. Flashflood and Waterborn are the best tracks. Don't know if I'd use themon there own to introduce people to TD. Since EF is leaving (just a matter of time) I presume TD will head more in the GC direction than the Oasis direction so also have to include GC and Tyranny. > Comparing Oasis with Canyon Dreams:they are both very good - my personal > preference between these two would still be Canyon Dreams (of course > I'll have to remember to get this one next time I see it (not that I see it very often :-() Colin-started humming Rough Embrace when walking.. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 1:46 pm Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jan 15, 6:30am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy > > Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) > (...) > > In the 0.00001% chance that I was fleeced, I've got the name and > address of the company that charged me for services not rendered (it's > amazing what you can do with e-mail addresses and phone numbers on the > Internet these days). Make that a big fat 0% chance of being 'fleeced'. I've had some dealings with 'Supercollector' before (the best place I know for Babylon 5 stuff, by the way, and wait until you see their catalog!), and can vouch for their most excellent service. Since I did call them directly, I managed to get my order in and my copy of this 4 CD item is now on its way. I feel so lucky, I am even willing to believe that the custom people are going to let it enter Canada without charging duties (it happened before...) C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 2:27 pm Subject: Jonathan Miller ??!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Wouter Bessels At 02:01 14-01-98 -0600, you wrote: >Really-From: Jonathan Miller > >Jonathan Scott Miller Is this *the* Jonathan Miller who wrote the liner notes of the Castle-reissues ?? Looks like he didn't profit from that too much.........!!!!! Cheers, Wouter From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 2:41 pm Subject: Re: Oasis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) > Really-From: 'Florine Epure' > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > >Been listening to the Oasis CD recently and have a > >couple of comments.. > > >Firstly, is it, like most soundtracks, better with > >the video footage. Bit too boring for > >me otherwise. > Actually I think this is one of TD's best releases - I don't have the > video - but the music stands on its own. I have to agree. I think it's one of the best releases in recent years. I'm looking forward to seeing the video as I enjoyed the Canyon Dreams video, too. [snip] > This release is a lot different in style from any 90's TD release. > We hear some Goblin's Club influences (from the good tracks from GC) - > for example in Oasis first track, but otherwise it is different and a > lot better that any 90's TD release.EF has contributed a lot to this > release-you can clearly hear it in the style of music-I don't know how > much JF contributed to it-probably the mixing is done by him and he does > as always a good job. Very well produced, IMHO. Although I like Goblin's Club (most of it anyway), I enjoy Oasis because its not in the same style as GC or other recent releases. True, there are influences in Oasis that appear to be from GC but they don't really overshadow the style of Oasis. Nice touch, actually. [snip] > Chia Maroon-the bonus track-surprisingly good track (for once I waited > and didnt buy the European release of Oasis-and I got rewarded with one > nice bonus track) I'm somewhat ambivalent towards 'Chia Maroon.' It's not bad but it doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the album. Granted, 'Colorado Dawn' was more of a departure from Canyon Dreams than 'Chia Maroon' is from Oasis, but it's that degree of difference that makes me like 'Colorado Dawn.' To me, 'Chia Maroon' is not sufficiently different from the rest of Oasis to stand on its own but also not sufficiently within the same style as the other tracks to become part of Oasis. > Rating:4.5AS rating to Oasis-I liked it a lot-it shows us again how good > EF can be - when he wants it-and this is an indication that he still is > the leader of TD. I'd agree with that rating, regardless of my comments concerning 'Chia Maroon.' > Comparing Oasis with Canyon Dreams:they are both very good - my personal > preference between these two would still be Canyon Dreams (of course > without last track Colorado Dawn)-but all I can say is this:on Oasis you > only hear Edgar but on Canyon Dreams you hear Edgar,Chris AND Paul > Haslinger-and what a good combination it was! Yes, and that's why I'm only able to compare Oasis with Canyon Dreams at the surface level. Deep down, they are quite different albums despite a common theme that inspired their creation. Both are good in their own right. > I am looking forward to hear all those unreleased soundtrack he is > working on-and hopefully some reference concerts also (Manchester 76, > Paris 76) > 80 Tour,81 Tour,... and the list goes on and on. We CAN hope, can't we? :-) > But for now : very good work Edgar, thanks a lot for the Oasis CD! > > Florin. Regards, Erik From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 3:08 pm Subject: Re: D: White Out ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) > Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) > > On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:23:27 +0100, you wrote: > > >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > > > >It seems that everyone is discussing the future of the D: list and > >the new Electronic Orgy. No-one has discussed the fantastic > >solo album White Out by J. Scmoelling yet. > >And this album needs to be reviewed! > > > >White Out - Riet Studio 1989 > > > >1. White Out 12:01 > >2. Navigator's chatter 5:45 > >3. Native Eye, Native Ear 6:50 > >4. Ice Walk 6:09 > >5. The Big Nail 4:38 > >6. A Great Continent 8:17 > >7. Anian Path 5:14 > > > >What can I say. This one also took me a while to get. And I'm > >glad I have it! > >This is a superb album. Together with Wuivend Riet my fav. > >You can definitely hear a great composer/performer is at work > >here. The music builds up good and there are some great > >melodies and typical Schmoelling-solos. > >I'm not going to discuss each track, but one of my fav. one is > >A Great Continent. Very dark in the beginning and then a > >solo which I haven't even heard from him when he was in TD. > >Pleezz mr. Schmoelling, make another album. There are so > >few of them. (IMO, better then what TD brings out these days) > > > >Marcel > >Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels > >Email :fsp@w... > > I agree completely. IMHO, Schmoelling has progressed significantly > with each release, so this was definitely his best at the time. He > still blows away any current/former TD member in the solo release > department BY FAR!!! (well, from what I've heard at least <;-) ) Yep, that's been my impression, too. I made similar comments about White Out in one of my posts during the previous D:(Schmoelling) weeks. I'll add a few more below. > It's a lot more experimental and less up beat than 'Wuivend Riet' or > 'The Zoo of Tranquillity' (has it been re-released yet????). 'Great aural landscapes' is how I describe White Out to those who haven't yet heard it. More like painting with sound than a bunch of nice songs. > 'Ice Walk' contains a section that was previously played by TD (in a > different variation) on their early 80 something tour. You can > definitely connect the piece with the boots 'Ratikon' and '3 Tier > Dream' (Digital Times part 2). As it was the highlight of the > respective b**ts, IMHO, I guess I now know who was the source. Funny, I never noticed anything in 3 Tier Dream that sounded similar to 'Ice Walk.' Now you've got me curious! Actually, 'Ice Walk' is one of my favorite tracks on the album. I love listening to it (loud) on a cold winter night with the lights out. One can really get the sense of walking on a vast, desolate ice floe. (Until I'm told to 'turn it down!' :) > It's a shame that Schmoelling has never succeeded in 'ruling the > world' as he is EXTREMELY TALENTED. > > I guess the problem is that no one knows who he is, he doesn't release > very often, and the record companies that he picks are big time duds. > > Hmmmmm, kind of sounds like Shreeve, doesn't it! Bingo on all counts. Too bad that he seemed to leave TD because of the non-stop touring and recording during his tenure with the band. I guess that not everyone can keep up with Edgar's work ethic. Pity, as I can't help but think how much good music would have come from his continued involvement with TD. Let's just hope that he DOES continue to make his own music. Regards, Erik Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10074 Re: D: White Out Mike Livsey Fri 1/16/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 4:57 pm Subject: Re: MORE Electronic Orgy's-$69.99 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi Mr Dano How are things around? Well If there is a chance I would like to have one of those boxes. Please send me the datails on how to pay etcetera. --- Francisco P.S I wrote you a message but, then, I saw your message saying all your copies were gone. So I erased it. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 8:03 pm Subject: Re: TD CDs for trade or sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Eric Funkhouser At 01:12 PM 1/11/98 CST, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: dwhawk@s... (Don Hawkinson) > > > >I have two TD CDs that I would like to sell or trade. > >Electronic Meditation Jive C TANG 4 >Alpha Centauri Jive C TANG 5 > > > > >Don Hawkinson > >Sorry it has taken so long to reply, havn't read my mail in a few days. At any rate, I'm interested in the two cd's you have for sale, mail me back with a price if you still have them. Thanks Eric Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10077 Re: TD CDs for trade or sale Eric Funkhouser Fri 1/16/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 8:15 pm Subject: Re: MORE Electronic Orgy's-$69.99 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Sorry, for my later message. It wasn't supposed to be sent here. --Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 15, 1998 8:42 pm Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy (crying) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 11:33 PM 1/14/1998 -0800, DJS wrote: >> >> Don't! Captain Dano is very selective to whom he replies and whom >> he ignores. > >You are somewhat correct. I DO ignore people I heartily dislike (it's >the normal human thing to do). Otherly, I am a very, very busy guy and We are all busy. But, when you solicit a reply, which you did, it is minimal courtesy to acknowledge it. To my knowledge, I have had no negative interaction with you of any sort, therefore there was no reason for me to assume that you disliked me. I will know better in the future. > As I do not appreciate your accusations and assumptions I shall >place you on the list of people who choose not to do business with me. I accused you of nothing. I was just commenting that you seem to acknowledge inquiries by criteria that were not clear to me. You are interpreting my fairly straight-forward statement. There is no need to interpret. Given that I have spent quite a bit of money with 'Soundtracks' in the past I was miffed that I was excluded from the ranks of the 'privileged.' >> >> My reply, posted immediately after his post appeared on Tdream >> and conforming exactly to his original post ('if you are >> intersted in more info, e-mail me') remanins unanswered. > >Why answer something I've answered publicly already. By the time I got >your email I already posted publicly I was out of the cd's. I replied to your original offer within hours after it was posted NOT after the post in which you said you were sold out. Oh, well... I guess it's the vagaries of electronic communication. >ignored any responses insinuating I was joking or 'daring' me to prove You are clearly not talking about or to me, then. >> Makes one wonder...what are the selection criteria for such 'gifts?' >I think I just answered this question. You certainly did. It's called whimsy. >Regards, > >Dan I wish you nothing but the best in all your future personal and business endeavors. Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10096 Haslinger video Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 16, 1998 9:26 am Subject: Re: D: White Out ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:08:04 -0500, you wrote: >> 'Ice Walk' contains a section that was previously played by TD (in a >> different variation) on their early 80 something tour. You can >> definitely connect the piece with the boots 'Ratikon' and '3 Tier >> Dream' (Digital Times part 2). As it was the highlight of the >> respective b**ts, IMHO, I guess I now know who was the source. > >Funny, I never noticed anything in 3 Tier Dream that sounded similar to >'Ice Walk.' Now you've got me curious! Actually, 'Ice Walk' is one of my >favorite tracks on the album. I love listening to it (loud) on a cold winter >night with the lights out. One can really get the sense of walking on a >vast, desolate ice floe. (Until I'm told to 'turn it down!' :) > Hi Erik, Listen to the lead at 2:00 or 3:45 onwards on Ice Walk and compare it to what's going on at about 7:30 to 11:00 in Digital Times track 2. Ooops, shouldn't have given away the answer. Tell me they're not eerily similar. It was very strange for me as I had White Out for years before I got 3 Tier Dream. I could recognize all the tracks on White Out just based on a couple of notes so imagine my surprise when I heard Digital Times track 2! Regards. -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, The courage to change the things I can and The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really ticked me off!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 16, 1998 3:06 am Subject: Re: D: White Out ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >It was very strange for me as I had White Out for years before I got 3 >Tier Dream. I could recognize all the tracks on White Out just based >on a couple of notes so imagine my surprise when I heard Digital Times >track 2! Without listening to 'White Out' recently, I always remember something similar from 'Logos' and this album, but I can't just identify it at the moment. Anybody else notice this? I guess it's time to spin those two CDs again. BTW, this is a great solo release. One of the better ones and well worth seeking out! Vic NP: Shepherd's Bush AKA Persistence of Vision Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10079 Re: D: White Out Mike Livsey Fri 1/16/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 16, 1998 3:18 am Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Well it's in! Never doubt Dano the family man! I have not played it yet, but I just wanted to post a few quick comments. 1. The artwork has the '70's hippie love in feel. Some flesh on the cover with those nice little red 'laugh in' hearts. Always better to see flesh than death and violence. 2. The discs look like tangerines. 3. There's a sticker on the side that says 'Tangerines -can- spin'. 4. Lot's of rare and cool tracks. I'll talk about this next time. 5. But really, I'm excited about that Conrad Schnitzler track 'The Russians are Coming'! Otherwise I would have to fork out over $200+ for the 12' single. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10239 Re: Electronic Orgy Mike Livsey Sat 1/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 16, 1998 5:48 am Subject: Re: TD CDs for trade or sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Eric Funkhouser At 02:03 PM 1/15/98 -0600, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: Eric Funkhouser > > >At 01:12 PM 1/11/98 CST, you wrote: >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >>says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >>message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >>The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Really-From: dwhawk@s... (Don Hawkinson) >> >> >> >>I have two TD CDs that I would like to sell or trade. >> >>Electronic Meditation Jive C TANG 4 >>Alpha Centauri Jive C TANG 5 >> >> >> >> >>Don Hawkinson >> >>Sorry it has taken so long to reply, havn't read my mail in a few days. At >any rate, I'm interested in the two cd's you have for sale, mail me back >with a price if you still have them. > > Thanks > Eric > >Woops, didn't realize I was mailing back to the list. Sorry for the spam. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 16, 1998 6:49 am Subject: Re: Miramar 'Oasis' cover different from TDI's ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Keith Gregoire' >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >BTW, I am sure that the lady who answers the phone at Miramar is >drop-dead gorgeous. I can tell just from her voice. :-) >Andrew I've been to Miramar many times in the past, but not for a couple years now. If the lady you're talking about is the one I've met, you are right! -Keith From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 16, 1998 2:40 pm Subject: Re: D: White Out ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:06:23 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Really-From: Vic Rek > > >>It was very strange for me as I had White Out for years before I got 3 >>Tier Dream. I could recognize all the tracks on White Out just based >>on a couple of notes so imagine my surprise when I heard Digital Times >>track 2! > >Without listening to 'White Out' recently, I always remember something >similar from 'Logos' and this album, but I can't just identify it at the >moment. Anybody else notice this? I guess it's time to spin those two CDs again. > Ooooh... now you've piqued MY interest! I think I've played both a dozen times since my original post (funny how that happens), but I'm not sure where the similarity resides. Digital Times and Logos, definitely. White Out and Logos, uhhhhhh.... -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, The courage to change the things I can and The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really ticked me off!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 16, 1998 8:11 am Subject: Tangerine Ambience Vol II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC Does anyone know where I can purchase this Cd? Thanks in advance. Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10082 Re: Tangerine Ambience Vol II TWeibre361 Fri 1/16/1998 2 KB 10084 Re: Tangerine Ambience Vol II feldon@p... Fri 1/16/1998 2 KB 10097 Re: Tangerine Ambience Vol II Mike Livsey Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB 10106 Re: Tangerine Ambience Vol II Vincent Goudreault Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB 10109 Re: Tangerine Ambience Vol II feldon@p... Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB 10118 Re: Tangerine Ambience Vol II Antonio Nunes Sun 1/18/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 16, 1998 2:53 pm Subject: THe Keep ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Hi everybody... I FINALLY managed to track down a copy of the special edition release... I pretty much concur with the previous comments made about it... The packaging is quite nice, but seems a bit fragile... Does anyone have suggestions on storing the disc elsewhere... For those that don't have one, the cover insert is smaller than normal... I suppose it could be turned sideways, but I'm open to other ideas... Some of the music sounds oddly familiar, but in a different context than the movie.... Any word on how the general release may differ from the special edition (packaging, content, price)? Mike J, Chicago Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10083 Re: THe Keep Plumer, Scott Fri 1/16/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 16, 1998 3:06 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience Vol II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-16 03:12:24 EST, you write: << Does anyone know where I can purchase this Cd? Thanks in advance. Tom >> www.hallucinet.com/cleopatra.html....have fun... tom w np: united mutations From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 16, 1998 3:51 pm Subject: RE: THe Keep ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > -----Original Message----- > From: tadream@c... [SMTP:tadream@c...] > Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 9:54 AM > To: tadream@c... > Subject: THe Keep > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to > majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Really-From: Michael A Jean > >about it... The packaging is quite nice, but seems a bit fragile... Does >anyone have suggestions on storing the disc elsewhere... For those that >don't have one, the cover insert is smaller than normal... I suppose it >could be turned sideways, but I'm open to other ideas... Some of the music I'd just stick the insert in the jewel box and let nature take it's course. As long as the box is closed, the insert should be safe. >sounds oddly familiar, but in a different context than the movie.... I still have yet to drag out my copy of the movie to compare them (the wife's going away this weekend, maybe I'll do it then :-) but many people have mentioned that. The last track, BTW, was played live during the '82 Euro tour, and would have appeared after the first bridge on Logos. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 16, 1998 4:52 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience Vol II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 03:11 AM 1/16/98 EST, you wrote: >Really-From: TangerineC > > >Does anyone know where I can purchase this Cd? Thanks in advance. Tom Just about any decently stocked music store, or RPM Records feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 16, 1998 6:06 pm Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC I just recieved this 4 cd set in the mail today. All I can say is it doesnt get any better than this! The sound quality is unbelievable! It almost sounds like an official release. Dan was right when he gave sound quality a 10. I rate it just as high. What about the music itself? Well, I have 5 hours of unreleased TD to listen too. If anyone has any questions about any of the tracks, let me know. Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10098 Re: Electronic Orgy Mike Livsey Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 16, 1998 7:11 pm Subject: Alpha Centauri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm Are any UK list members going to Alpha Centauri this year? (apart from the obvious Mr Nagle! :-) ) Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10133 Re: Alpha Centauri Colin Knowles Mon 1/19/1998 3 KB 10142 Re: Alpha Centauri Marcel Engels Mon 1/19/1998 3 KB 10169 Re: Alpha Centauri Lawrysimm Wed 1/21/1998 3 KB 10182 Re: Alpha Centauri Marcel Engels Wed 1/21/1998 3 KB 11757 Alpha Centauri Lawry Simm Sat 3/7/1998 3 KB 12130 Alpha Centauri Lawry Simm Wed 3/18/1998 2 KB 12132 Re: Alpha Centauri Jens Peschke Wed 3/18/1998 3 KB 12133 Re: Alpha Centauri Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12147 Re: Alpha Centauri Jens Peschke Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 16, 1998 8:26 pm Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: SRiser3600 where can I get Electronic Orgy?? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 16, 1998 8:34 pm Subject: Re: D: White Out ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) >Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) > >On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:08:04 -0500, you wrote: > >>> 'Ice Walk' contains a section that was previously played by TD (in a >>> different variation) on their early 80 something tour. You can >>> definitely connect the piece with the boots 'Ratikon' and '3 Tier >>> Dream' (Digital Times part 2). As it was the highlight of the >>> respective b**ts, IMHO, I guess I now know who was the source. >> >>Funny, I never noticed anything in 3 Tier Dream that sounded similar to >>'Ice Walk.' Now you've got me curious! Actually, 'Ice Walk' is one of my >>favorite tracks on the album. I love listening to it (loud) on a cold >>winter night with the lights out. One can really get the sense of >>walking on a vast, desolate ice floe. (Until I'm told to 'turn it down!' :) > >Hi Erik, > >Listen to the lead at 2:00 or 3:45 onwards on Ice Walk and compare it >to what's going on at about 7:30 to 11:00 in Digital Times track 2. >Ooops, shouldn't have given away the answer. Tell me they're not >eerily similar. > >It was very strange for me as I had White Out for years before I got 3 >Tier Dream. I could recognize all the tracks on White Out just based >on a couple of notes so imagine my surprise when I heard Digital Times >track 2! > >Regards. >- -- >Mike Livsey >mlivsey@n... Mike, Thanks for the pointers. Right you are! It's more than similar, it's the same thing. I, too, had White Out for years before I got 3TD (very recently) but I've only listened to 3TD a couple of times. Guess I'll have to listen more carefully to the concert tapes if I want to spot these little gems. :-) Cheers, Erik From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 16, 1998 2:53 pm Subject: David Hughes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Anybody seen our good pal David Hughes lately? He seems to have drifted into never-never land lately. HEY DAVID! YOU STILL HERE??? Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 16, 1998 10:56 pm Subject: Persistance of Vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Just a quick question.......What is the connection between TD and skin in the latest 'rare' cd's being released ( Persistance, Orgy Box ) ??? Is this in inside joke or just the fine appreciation of the female figure. In the Persistance case does the concert venue have anything to do with it? Just wonderin ' . Chris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10094 Re: Persistance of Vision AOutland Sat 1/17/1998 2 KB 10095 Re: Persistance of Vision Vic Rek Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB 10101 Re: Persistance of Vision AOutland Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB 10102 Re: Persistance of Vision Francisco Salgado C. Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB 10107 Re: Persistance of Vision Michael Fox Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB 10104 Persistance of Vision Lars R. Jones Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB 10108 Re: Persistance of Vision Michael Fox Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 6:12 am Subject: White Out - Booklet ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) WHITE OUT. Rather than posting my opinion about this fantastic album, I thought you might enjoy to hear from Mr. Schmoelling himself. I noticed that the booklet to 'White Out' has an interesting text about the idea behind the album, but this text is only in German (apart from a very brief excerpt he wrote in english). So to honor this great album, here is my translation of the booklet: ===================== WHITE OUT ===================== Suddenly there was a feeling, Antarctica, a concept album. No, not suddenly. Suddenly was the intersection of three things that happened at the same time: a book ('The horrors of ice and darkness' by Christoph Ransmayr), a movie ('Antarctica Project' by Axel Engstfeld) and finally my own work, an experimental audio drama that I was working on together with the author Martin Burckhardt. And in this sense, 'suddenly' was nothing random, but the feeling of an inner inevitability: a concept album, Antarctica. In the movie you could see a man, in front of an american flag, who was talking about Antarctica being an enormous reservoir of energy and mineral resources. He had a voice as if money was able to speak. 'I have no doubt' said the voice 'it will happen. Twenty years, thirty years, it will happen.' To narrate a landscape - as long as it exists. Landscape. And a music which can create space. Via the detour of Antarctica, via the empty white space, I realized that this has always been my ideal conception of what electronic music could narrate. To set off into a wide open landscape. Where I really never saw the new, the unheard of electronic sounds as a locationless point, as a phantom of weightlessness, but instead always as something completely 'from this world'. Lacking the desire to have myself thrusted into outer space (they say that even there, despite all the spherical sounds, sattellite garbage is accumulating at a concerning rate) I preferred to limit myself to that which I am familiar with. This means: running - instead of stumbling through weightlessness. In this sense, the sounds that I used and modified don't want to deny their origin. They are noises: the sound of a sonar, the clicking and beeping of transmitter radios, ship's engines, the distant cries of birds - and if one closes the eyes, each sound links itself with the imagination of a landscape, a surrounding. This was the reason for me to compose an entire sequence of noises - like some kind of foundation from which the music begins to emerge. In a scientific book about Antarctica I was reading about an optical phenomenon which appears at certain conditions related to temperature and air: WHITE OUT. It means a loss of spatial orientation, the whiteness erases all space, heaven and earth flow together, a space is created that contains no depth, no horizon. Maybe a concept album is nothing else than a trip. Setting off towards a place that opens up gradually, a coast that approaches and piles itself up into an icy mountain range. An arrival which announces itself in radio messages, in the hammering of the engines, in the pop music that fills the crew cabins. And suddenly there is (where only a huge white spot existed on the map) solid ground under one's feet and one sees: Trash, garbage from food leftovers, tin cans preserved for eternity, spilled oil residue and trackmarks of tyres that lead towards the horizon, where an industrial settlement rises from the ground, and now, suddenly: the feeling that here, at the end of the world, a war is announcing itself, that the machines are rolled into position, the frontal lines are marked. And when looking around, one can see the oldest landscape in the world there. (A war, with the aim to erase the history of nature: WHITE OUT). Maybe landscape painting is something very old fashioned, something from the nineteenth century when people had time for this. Maybe the attempt to listen closely is something very old fashioned. Maybe it is old fashioned to even think about the future. When I finished work on the album, Reinhold Messner and Arved Fuchs started out into Antarctica. Not (as was still the case in the last century) to remove the white spots from the map, also not (as at the turn of the century) with the goal to raise the flag of some country there, but only because of the landscape, its pure being-like-that-and-not-in-any-way-different, because of the present. And I thought, long ago, as a child, I would never have dreamt that even taking a stroll could one day turn into a political act. Johannes Schmoelling, 1990. (Translation Hilmar Kraft 1998.) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10093 Re: White Out - Booklet jupe Sat 1/17/1998 4 KB 10105 Re: White Out - Booklet Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 1/17/1998 7 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 12:15 am Subject: D: White Out ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jim Moore I've always really liked this one for its 'nautical' feel. While the album is not conceptually about seafaring, there's a lot of the elements present (i.e. 'Navigator's Chatter', radio echoes, ship noises, etc.) It's also interesting to contrast this album to Vangelis' _Antarctica_: both have the same setting, but almost completely different moods (of course, Vangelis' work was a soundtrack, but that's not too far off for a description of Schmoelling's work). - jim NP: Tangerine Dream: Streethawk 'Moving out... from the City of Love... to the Valley of Reason...' -- Dream Academy: 'The Lession of Love' 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, GA http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 12:55 am Subject: Re: White Out - Booklet ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jupe tadream mailing list escribió: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) > > WHITE OUT. > > Rather than posting my opinion about this fantastic album, I thought > you might enjoy to hear from Mr. Schmoelling himself. I noticed that > the booklet to 'White Out' has an interesting text about the idea > behind the album, but this text is only in German (apart from a very > brief excerpt he wrote in english). > > So to honor this great album, here is my translation of the booklet: Thanks Hilmar !!! good job !!! -- ***************************************************** * La PAGINA de TANGERINE DREAM de JUPE * http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/ mailto:jupe@c... * New SWAP List 1.5 , write me !!!!! * Nueva Lista de CAMBIO 1.5 , escribeme !!!!! * http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm ***************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 1:43 am Subject: Re: Persistance of Vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-01-16 18:06:45 EST, you write: << What is the connection between TD and skin in the latest 'rare' cd's being released ( Persistance, Orgy Box ) ??? >> LOL wait til you see Shepherd's Bush 3CD-R!!! ;-D Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 4:21 am Subject: Re: Persistance of Vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: KRAUSENECKS >Just a quick question.......What is the connection between TD and skin in the latest 'rare' cd's being released ( Persistance, Orgy Box ) ??? Is this in inside joke or just the fine appreciation of the female figure. In the Persistance case does the concert venue have anything to do with it? Just wonderin ' . I think the venue has something to do with it ;-) Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 4:40 am Subject: Haslinger video ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' In case anyone is interested, from Backroads: NEW: 'Planetary Traveler' (40 min, Jan Nickman prod; Paul Haslinger original music) VHS $20.00. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 12:10 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience Vol II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:11:06 EST, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: TangerineC > > >Does anyone know where I can purchase this Cd? Thanks in advance. Tom Progtron's got it... -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, The courage to change the things I can and The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really ticked me off!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 12:19 pm Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:06:21 EST, you wrote: >Really-From: TangerineC > > >I just recieved this 4 cd set in the mail today. All I can say is it doesnt >get any better than this! The sound quality is unbelievable! It almost sounds >like an official release. Dan was right when he gave sound quality a 10. I >rate it just as high. What about the music itself? Well, I have 5 hours of >unreleased TD to listen too. If anyone has any questions about any of the >tracks, let me know. Tom What???? You ordered AFTER ME!!!! Oh yeah, I'm in Canada. Based on the exchange rate, it'll take 40% longer to arrive.... -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, The courage to change the things I can and The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really ticked me off!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 8:40 am Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC Have patience Mike, it'll get there. Just think, the longer you wait, the more you'll appreciate all the great music on these cd's. :) In a message dated 98-01-17 00:21:32 EST, you write: << What???? You ordered AFTER ME!!!! Oh yeah, I'm in Canada. Based on the exchange rate, it'll take 40% longer to arrive.... -- Mike Livsey >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 10:25 am Subject: Re: Haslinger video ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Aphrodite's Child' :In case anyone is interested, from Backroads: : :NEW: 'Planetary Traveler' (40 min, Jan Nickman prod; Paul :Haslinger original music) VHS $20.00. yeah, that sounds pretty col & stuff From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 11:33 am Subject: RE: Persistance of Vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Shep is what I'm talking about! Chrs ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 8:43 PM To: tadream@c... Subject: Re: Persistance of Vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-01-16 18:06:45 EST, you write: << What is the connection between TD and skin in the latest 'rare' cd's being released ( Persistance, Orgy Box ) ??? >> LOL wait til you see Shepherd's Bush 3CD-R!!! ;-D Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 1:07 pm Subject: Re: Persistance of Vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: KRAUSENECKS > > Just a quick question.......What is the connection between TD and skin in the latest 'rare' cd's being released ( Persistance, Orgy Box ) ??? Is this in inside joke or just the fine appreciation of the female figure. In the Persistance case does the concert venue have anything to do with it? Just wonderin ' . I wanted to comment: this set is not a bootleg. It's a fan tape in different format. a tree was organized to distribute this set (on DAT CDR and cassette) for free ( only trade of similar value or blank CDR/DAT). I named this set this way since 1976 was the year of the come-back of lot of german electronic groups ( Kraftwerk, Can, Faust, etc) helped by the power of the internet that allow some marketing people to see they had a lot of fan base. Since Tangerine Dream have been here all the time the Persistence of Vision title wanted to imply that TD didn't came back, They were always here, composing and releasing good music. I cannot comment about the artwork since I didn't see it yet. ---Francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10107 Re: Persistance of Vision Michael Fox Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 18, 1998 1:26 pm Subject: White Out ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Fonda With all the praises for Scmoelling's 'White Out' I've been looking for it, but so far can't find it for sale anywhere... anyone know where it can be found? Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 2:35 pm Subject: Persistance of Vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> chirs writes: >What is the connection between TD and skin in the latest 'rare' cd's being released ( Persistance, [...] ) >??? Is this in inside joke or just the fine appreciation of the female figure. In the Persistance case does the >concert venue have anything to do with it? Just wonderin ' . -- or does the connection w/ POV have anything to do with the fact that those of us on the US Bush tree have been royally *screwed* by a certain someone in the state of Cali-fornicate over this music? ;-( lars grrrrrrrrrr Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10108 Re: Persistance of Vision Michael Fox Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 4:33 pm Subject: Re: White Out - Booklet ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 11:12 PM 1/16/1998 GMT, Hilmar Kraft wrote: > >WHITE OUT. > >Rather than posting my opinion about this fantastic album, I thought >you might enjoy to hear from Mr. Schmoelling himself. I noticed that >the booklet to 'White Out' has an interesting text about the idea >behind the album, but this text is only in German (apart from a very >brief excerpt he wrote in english). > >So to honor this great album, here is my translation of the booklet: Thank you, Hilmar. This is a wonderful effort and I appreciate it. Now I only wish I could put the music to the words. :-( While 'Zoo' is on the verge of being re-released, no such word on 'White Out.' What a pity. Andrew > >===================== >WHITE OUT >===================== >Suddenly there was a feeling, Antarctica, a concept album. No, not >suddenly. Suddenly was the intersection of three things that happened >at the same time: a book ('The horrors of ice and darkness' by >Christoph Ransmayr), a movie ('Antarctica Project' by Axel Engstfeld) >and finally my own work, an experimental audio drama that I was >working on together with the author Martin Burckhardt. And in this >sense, 'suddenly' was nothing random, but the feeling of an inner >inevitability: a concept album, Antarctica. > >In the movie you could see a man, in front of an american flag, who >was talking about Antarctica being an enormous reservoir of energy and >mineral resources. He had a voice as if money was able to speak. 'I >have no doubt' said the voice 'it will happen. Twenty years, thirty >years, it will happen.' > >To narrate a landscape - as long as it exists. > >Landscape. And a music which can create space. Via the detour of >Antarctica, via the empty white space, I realized that this has always >been my ideal conception of what electronic music could narrate. To >set off into a wide open landscape. Where I really never saw the new, >the unheard of electronic sounds as a locationless point, as a phantom >of weightlessness, but instead always as something completely 'from >this world'. Lacking the desire to have myself thrusted into outer >space (they say that even there, despite all the spherical sounds, >sattellite garbage is accumulating at a concerning rate) I preferred >to limit myself to that which I am familiar with. This means: running >- instead of stumbling through weightlessness. > >In this sense, the sounds that I used and modified don't want to deny >their origin. They are noises: the sound of a sonar, the clicking and >beeping of transmitter radios, ship's engines, the distant cries of >birds - and if one closes the eyes, each sound links itself with the >imagination of a landscape, a surrounding. This was the reason for me >to compose an entire sequence of noises - like some kind of foundation >from which the music begins to emerge. > >In a scientific book about Antarctica I was reading about an optical >phenomenon which appears at certain conditions related to temperature >and air: WHITE OUT. It means a loss of spatial orientation, the >whiteness erases all space, heaven and earth flow together, a space is >created that contains no depth, no horizon. > >Maybe a concept album is nothing else than a trip. Setting off towards >a place that opens up gradually, a coast that approaches and piles >itself up into an icy mountain range. An arrival which announces >itself in radio messages, in the hammering of the engines, in the pop >music that fills the crew cabins. And suddenly there is (where only a >huge white spot existed on the map) solid ground under one's feet and >one sees: Trash, garbage from food leftovers, tin cans preserved for >eternity, spilled oil residue and trackmarks of tyres that lead >towards the horizon, where an industrial settlement rises from the >ground, and now, suddenly: the feeling that here, at the end of the >world, a war is announcing itself, that the machines are rolled into >position, the frontal lines are marked. And when looking around, one >can see the oldest landscape in the world there. (A war, with the aim >to erase the history of nature: WHITE OUT). > >Maybe landscape painting is something very old fashioned, something >from the nineteenth century when people had time for this. Maybe the >attempt to listen closely is something very old fashioned. Maybe it is >old fashioned to even think about the future. > >When I finished work on the album, Reinhold Messner and Arved Fuchs >started out into Antarctica. Not (as was still the case in the last >century) to remove the white spots from the map, also not (as at the >turn of the century) with the goal to raise the flag of some country >there, but only because of the landscape, its pure >being-like-that-and-not-in-any-way-different, because of the present. >And I thought, long ago, as a child, I would never have dreamt that >even taking a stroll could one day turn into a political act. > >Johannes Schmoelling, 1990. >(Translation Hilmar Kraft 1998.) > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 4:42 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience Vol II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Excuse me for asking (perhaps I was not paying attention) but what is this 'Tangerine Ambience Vol II'? Is this a compilation of other artists cover of Tangerine Dream tracks? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10109 Re: Tangerine Ambience Vol II feldon@p... Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 1:49 pm Subject: Re: Persistance of Vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 01:07 PM 1/17/98 +0000, you wrote: >I wanted to comment: this set is not a bootleg. It's a fan tape in >different format. a tree was organized to distribute this set (on DAT >CDR and cassette) for free ( only trade of similar value or blank >CDR/DAT). And I'm still wondering what ever happened to this tree? I had signed up for a cs from the US branch----then nothing. Sent a note to whoever was running the branch I was on---nothing. Did this die in the dust somewhere? Is it possible that I could get someone on the US tree to knock off a copy for me? Thanks, Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 1:49 pm Subject: Re: Persistance of Vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 09:35 AM 1/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >-- or does the connection w/ POV have anything to do with the fact that >those of us on the US Bush tree have been royally *screwed* by a certain >someone in the state of Cali-fornicate over this music? ;-( > >lars >grrrrrrrrrr You're right Lars, I forgot that was where the pipeline cracked. Can we fix this up and get a copy(ies) to distribute--I'm busy as hell but can do cassettes if it will help--I think I still have all the original info on a floppy somewhere. grrrrX2 Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 11:23 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience Vol II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:42 AM 1/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > >Excuse me for asking (perhaps I was not paying attention) but what is >this 'Tangerine Ambience Vol II'? Is this a compilation of other artists >cover of Tangerine Dream tracks? Yes, and I really like it. They really took Tangram and Logos and went experimental. feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 6:47 pm Subject: CDs FS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ken Beal Let me take just a moment of your bandwith. I have the following for sale...should anyone be interested..shipping in the US is included with prices listed... Kristian Schultze..............Metronomics..........$8.00 Giles Reaves...................Sea of Glass.........$7.00 Brian Chatton..................Spellbound...........$7.00 Tim Clement....................Waterstation.........$7.00 Mars Laser.....................Escape...............$7.00 Latitude.......................40 Degrees North.....$7.00 Mark Shreeve...................Powerhouse..........$20.00 Mark Shreeve...................Riding the Edge.....$20.00 Mark Shreeve...................Energy Fountain.....$20.00 (these are Library Discs, OP and rare) Thanks for looking... Ken kwb10@c... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 8:08 pm Subject: a question ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'FREDERIC YARGUI' I've got a question, set last week, but nobody answered ; who can give an answer? >I've got a question : in the boot 'Prayer of quiet dreams', there >is two tracks named >'Solo : Jerome/Zlatko' and 'Solo : Edgar/Linda' >Are they really : 'Backstreet Hero' and 'Hamlet' ? the sound is not so good >and I can't find >out if this is the true melodies. > > Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 8:10 pm Subject: Re: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 notwithstanding the 'problems' with the shepards bush tree, why doesnt this list organize more trees? the pink floyd list, for example, has about one a month and they all go well...whats the hesitation? id be happy to source some of my td masters...any interest? tom w np: floyd - shine on... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10113 Re: tape trees Francisco Salgado C. Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB 10145 Re: tape trees Michael Fox Mon 1/19/1998 3 KB 10114 Re: tape trees TWeibre361 Sat 1/17/1998 3 KB 10116 Re: tape trees AOutland Sun 1/18/1998 2 KB 10125 tape trees Lars R. Jones Sun 1/18/1998 3 KB 10128 Re: tape trees TWeibre361 Mon 1/19/1998 2 KB 10154 Re: tape trees Plumer, Scott Tue 1/20/1998 3 KB 10347 tape trees Lars R. Jones Tue 1/27/1998 7 KB 10350 Re: tape trees Plumer, Scott Tue 1/27/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 9:13 pm Subject: Re: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: TWeibre361 > > notwithstanding the 'problems' with the shepards bush tree, The problem was only on the CDR branch. The DAT branch ran much better and the material has been on the happy hands of the participants since may, 97. Actually, the problematic CDR branch is finally running. > why doesn't this > list organize more trees? the pink floyd list, for example, has about one a > month and they all go well...whats the hesitation? id be happy to source some > of my td masters...any interest? One a month is A LOT ! but of course I'm interested. maybe one every three months would be advisable at the beginning. The tree could be the result of, let's say, the conclusion about the more interesting fan tapes discussed during the week ( from the soon to begin 'live tapes discussions'). ---Francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10145 Re: tape trees Michael Fox Mon 1/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 17, 1998 9:23 pm Subject: Re: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-17 16:15:16 EST, you write: << One a month is A LOT ! but of course I'm interested. maybe one every three months would be advisable at the beginning. The tree could be the result of, let's say, the conclusion about the more interesting fan tapes discussed during the week ( from the soon to begin 'live tapes discussions'). >> sounds good to me....as i said, id be happy to supply whatever masters and/or 1st gnerations i have...hope everyone else will participate....dub on tom w np: elp live 96 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 18, 1998 2:44 am Subject: Some TD et.al. for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Hi Dreamers, Here are a few set sale items I'd like to offer. DISCLAIMER: These prices may or may not reflect the market value, so I hope they don't affect your future purchasing/trading decisions. Mail me off list to reserve. After this post, prices are subject to change or offer be withdrawn. CDs: $25 Zeit - US Relativity 88561-8070-2, 2 CD, original artwork, still sealed in orig. long box w/artwork $9 The Collection (Comp. 1969-1973) - France Castle Communications CCSCD, rel. 3/87 $7 The Dream Mixes - US Miramar 23073-2, 1995 $12 Oasis - EU TDI Music TDI007CD, 1997 $25 Jim & Pablo 'Der Meteor' soundtrack - Germany TDI, 1997 ?? Spherical Harmonics 2, original, but not numbered - please inquire LPs: $15 Zeit - UK Virgin VD2503, 2 LPs, foldout $20 Zeit - Canada Polygram/Virgin VMD-2221, 2 LPs, no foldout, sm. co $11 Atem - US Relativity 88561-8071-1, LP, sealed cutout, rel. 1987 $5 Rubycon - US Virgin International VI 2025, LP, co, foldout $10 Ricochet (Live) - UK Virgin V2044, LP, first pressing $5 Sorcerer - US MCA-2277, LP $13 Flashpoint - US EMI America ST-17141, LP $17 Quichotte - East Germany Amiga blue label re-issue $7 Pergamon (Live) - US Caroline CAROL 1333, LP $11 Heartbreakers - Germany Virgin 207 212-620, cutout $5 Underwater Sunlight - US Relativity EMC 8114, LP $45 ...In the Beginning (6 LP box set) - Germany Relativity EMC 8066, 1st 4 albums + 'Green Desert', 12 pg. booklet, #4256/5000, wear on box/records mint-, 1985 $9 Optical Race - US Private 2042-1-P, special die-cut 'gimick' cover $9 Lily on the Beach - US Private 2057-1-P, co, last regular US LP release $15 A Time for Heroes (instr.)/same (vocal) - US Orpheum ORP-012387, 12' single, Special Olympics theme, 1987 Solo: EDGAR FROESE: $18 Aqua - UK Virgin OVED 20, LP, foldout, Still SEALED $15 Electronic Dreams (Comp. 1974-1975) - Germany Brain 0040.148, LP, 1976 $18 Solo 1974-1979 - UK Virgin OVED 69, LP, new version of NGC 891 and various re-mixes, Still SEALED, 1982 CHRISTOPHER FRANKE: $11 Pacific Coast Highway - US Private 01005-82094-2, orig. issue CD!, 1/91 $7 Enchanting Nature - US Earthtone ET7401-2, jewel case CD, 1994 PINK FLOYD (Yes, really) :-) $200 Dark Side of the Moon Prism hand-woven shag rug - very cool! $500 Dark Side of the Moon UHQR LP #189/5000 Thanks, Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10163 Re: Some TD et.al. for sale Plumer, Scott Tue 1/20/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 18, 1998 3:34 am Subject: Re: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-01-17 15:12:04 EST, you write: << id be happy to source some of my td masters...any interest? tom w >> Yes, definitely. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 18, 1998 10:04 am Subject: E. Orgies all gone ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS Well folks, I'm once again out of Orgies. I do not believe I'll be getting more. If you've already sent me email or called me today or before then don't worry, you're guaranteed to get one. I hope everyone who needed one already ordered one because this compilation kicks some serious butt. Sorry for causing so much traffic lately, heh. Now that they are gone, I'm looking forward to getting back to the much calmer list action. Hey, how about some reviews! Regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 18, 1998 11:52 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience Vol II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes 'Vincent Goudreault' wrote: > Excuse me for asking (perhaps I was not paying attention) but what is > this 'Tangerine Ambience Vol II'? Is this a compilation of other artists > cover of Tangerine Dream tracks? Exactly. Here is the track list: 1.rubycon part 1 (TD EXPERIENCE) 2.stratosfear (TOKEN ANGLE) 3.white eagle (KENTON FILES) 4.tangram set 1 (JOSEPH) 5.cloudburst flight (REY) 6.phaedra (MIKAEL BONDEE) 7.logos part 1 (SUPERSONIC) 8.tangram set 2 (AQUATIC GHOST) 9.rubycon part 2 (TD EXPERIENCE) Since this album opens and closes with cover tracks from one of your favorite TD albums (Rubycon), you should give it a try. Antonio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 18, 1998 2:36 pm Subject: D:Solo Week 32 - Jan. 19, 1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week we would like to hear comments on: Conrad Schnitzler - any releases -------------------------------- Please make subject heading 'D:Schnitzler' when replying. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10120 D:Schnitzler Paul Nagle Sun 1/18/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 18, 1998 9:52 pm Subject: D:Schnitzler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:36:54 -0500 (EST), tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >Conrad Schnitzler - any releases The album Con. Love it. Esp Ballet Statique. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 18, 1998 7:17 pm Subject: Re: D:Schnitzler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-01-18 10:08:27 EST, you write: << >Conrad Schnitzler - any releases The album Con. Love it. Esp Ballet Statique. Paul >> Can you be a little more explanatory? What is it you love about the album Con? What is its style? What of TD could you compare it to? What does it make you think of? If my favorite album is Live Miles, would I like this album? I know nothing of this man or his music; was he a member of TD, if so, when, what songs, does this album compare to those? Thanks, Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10122 Re: D:Schnitzler Paul Nagle Sun 1/18/1998 4 KB 10126 D:Schnitzler Vic Rek Mon 1/19/1998 13 KB 10129 Re: D:Schnitzler Mike Livsey Mon 1/19/1998 3 KB 10134 Re: D:Schnitzler Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Mon 1/19/1998 4 KB 10135 Re: D:Schnitzler Paul Nagle Mon 1/19/1998 3 KB 10127 Re: D:Schnitzler Vic Rek Mon 1/19/1998 3 KB 10130 Re: D:Schnitzler Vic Rek Mon 1/19/1998 3 KB 10138 Re: D:Schnitzler Vic Rek Mon 1/19/1998 3 KB 10139 Re: D:Schnitzler TWeibre361 Mon 1/19/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 19, 1998 2:44 am Subject: Re: D:Schnitzler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:17:22 EST, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: > >> > Can you be a little more explanatory? What is it you love about the album >Con? What is its style? What of TD could you compare it to? What does it make >you think of? If my favorite album is Live Miles, would I like this album? I >know nothing of this man or his music; was he a member of TD, if so, when, >what songs, does this album compare to those? Thanks, Dell It's nothing like any TD. No melodies, just lots of quirky drum machine rhythms and delay effects. Odd that I like it but I do. I've heard other stuff by Conrad and not been so keen. I think Con was produced by Peter Bauman so maybe that helped it be more 'normal'. Incidentally, Bauman produced what is perhaps my favourite album of al time: Jardin Au Fou by Roedelius. Just thought I'd mention that. Anyhow, if you like stuff minimal, experimental, rather dark and broody, check out Con. I like it late at night. The music too. He he. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 18, 1998 9:13 pm Subject: Off topic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm Does anyone know of a utility that will convert cd input from the cd-rom drive to a .wav file? Thanks, Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10124 Re: Off topic Steve Quinney Sun 1/18/1998 3 KB 34986 Off topic fozziebear Thu 7/25/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 18, 1998 10:31 pm Subject: Re: Off topic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Quinney At 04:13 PM 1/18/98 , you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: Lawrysimm > > >Does anyone know of a utility that will convert cd input from the cd-rom drive >to a .wav file? > >Thanks, >Lawry > You could try WinDAC at http://members.aol.com/schmelnik/dac.html It can be used in it's shareware form to copy direct to WAV from your CD rom. Is especially nice if you have a SCSI 6X or more as it will convert that many times faster. Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 18, 1998 11:02 pm Subject: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> cheers to Tom w's call for more tape trees. I think he is right! give the fans more access to this material. It would be great to work some trees in conjunction with the d:LIVE! discussion -- but I think we need to engineer them so that the tape trees run BEFORE that week's discussion; that will allow more people the opportunity to participate. There are several people on this list qualified to select a few good concerts (content & quality-wise) to distribute w/o profit via a tree. additionally, there are a few tape traders with low generation copies who could start out a tree and help everyone out. While I think it would be great to 'enhance' these digitally, I don't think we've all got the time for that so it might be best just to concentrate on disseminating the dubs through a tree as quickly as possible now the big question, who wants to organize it/them? oh yeah, what selection criteria are we going to use? (maybe some floydies could help us out here) lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 19, 1998 12:14 am Subject: D:Schnitzler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Dear Dreamers, Conrad (Con) was on the first TD album Electronic Meditation. He has went on to produce the most unique electronic and experimental music in the true sense. Much of it is hard to stomach, but he is a fascinating musician/artist. Most of his music is very expensive when and if you can find it. Here are a few short reviews of some of his works. I have a few more to catch up on. Almost all of his CD releases are reviewed here except for a few released last year. There are also two samplers out that need to be included. Maybe by next Christmas I'll have an updated complete summary of his CD and some non-CD releases. Anybody that collects Con music is someone to be noticed and/or quickly avoided... ;-) CONRAD SCHNITZLER REVIEWS 1. Blue Glow (The Cassette-Concert Series No. 1) - 1972-1979, rel. 1994 on CD France Artgallery AG 003 CD 50 00003 15 titles: titles 1-10 rel. on cassette as 'T2' and 11-15 as 'T4'. Various exotic and bizarre sounds, samples, and sound experiments. Tracks average around 4-5 min. each and have strange titles like: 'Wandereing of an Inert Gas', 'Dotted Lasso Whirling Simulations', etc. 2. Charred Machinery (The Cassette-Concert Series No. 2) - 1971/80, rel. 1995 on CD France Artgallery AGCD11 50 000119 272 022 3 tracks: tracks 1-2 from 'T1' cassette 1971, track 3 'T6' cassette 1980. Three tracks over 20 minutes each. The first track is a dark and very distant soundscape with strange sounds appearing and disappering slowly. The second track again contains distant space sounds along with the last track which again has slow pulsing sounds and reminds me of some pre-ambient stuff. Stangely enough, some of this music actually reminds me of some experiments by Pink Floyd performed on 'Ummagumma'. 3. Electronegativity (The Cassette-Concert Series No. 3) - 1977/80, rel. 1995 on CD France Artgallery AGCD 12 50 000126 272 023 Tracks 1-2 1977 on 'T3' and tracks 3-8 1980 on 'T6' side B. The first two tracks are interesting; icy futuristic sci-fi sounds. Some parts are pulsating and you feel you're in a whirlwind while other parts are slow and repetitive with slight changes. The last six tracks are those short tracks that indulge in sound experiments and doodlings. 4. Con 3 - 1981, Germany Sky 061, LP only 9 titles in German. Beat-oriented music with German vocals and a lot of percussion throughout. The record starts with some kind of slow-paced electronic polka, then transforms into various styles to include Indian, Asian, German sounding reggae and ends up sounding almost like '80's dance music. There is a strange song on side two where they sing about Cola (Coke). 5. Conrad & Sohn - 1981, Private release GS 1001, 500 copies, LP only No titles or tracks mentioned on LP or cover. Side 1 is by Gregor Schnitzler and Side 2 is by Conrad. Side 1 starts off with beat-oriented pulsating sounds. There are distorted/unrecognizable vocals in German/English and in general sounds '80ish New Wave' with metallic sounding synths. Side 2 starts off dark and brooding with German vocals and transforms into distortion and then to some form of melodic tunes. This side is actually a potpourri of strange tunes. Good sequencer parts towards the end but then digresses to 'Blue Glow' type sound experiments. 6. Conal - 1981, Norway Uniton 002, LP only Only 2 titles (1 per side) titled: N1 and N2. Spacy distant electronics with distorted sounds fading in and out at different frequencies and with many 'drawn-out' sounds. I guess Conrad is experimenting with the range of his synth knobs? When I listen to this I find myself in some kind of sci-fi movie in the aftermath of a nuclear holocaust. This music probably would be termed isolationist. 7. Control (The Cassette-Concert Series No. 4) - 1980-1981, rel. 1995 on CD France Artgallery AG 013 CD 50 000133 25 titles: titles 1-12 from 'Control' LP and 13-25 from 'T5' cassettes. Doodling sounds, dweebs, distractions, and distortions. Many short pieces ranging from 0:49 to 4:26. Very strange titles such as 'Gently Distorted Music Box in a Frying Pan' and 'Atonal Honking Horn Interlude with Revolving Light' basically sum it all up! You've finally been initiated to this album when you listen to track 25 'Buckled Wheel' and think that you actually understand this 'stuff'. 8. Convex (The Cassette-Concert Series No. 5) - 1982, rel. 1995 on CD France Artgallery AG 014 CD 50 000140 15 tracks: tracks 1-8 from 'Convex' LP and 9-15 from 'T7' cassette side A. Various electronic songs with interesting sounds and textures. Some are longer and hypnotic while other ones have unique electronic sounds that entertain and intrigue. This release also has unusual titles such as 'Fire Crackers in Slow Motion', 'Dripping Globules with Echoing Greasy Rings', and 'Processed Melting Jew's Harp'. 9. Micon In Italia - 1986, Italy Auf Dem Nil DMM 003 R, LP Only 17 short tracks composed with Michael Otto. Another chapter of experimental music. This release uses classical instruments (violin & bassoon) plus synths to create strange short tunes ranging from neo-classical/contemporary sound experiments and sound plays to personal indulgences and a 'Circus' tune. Some sounds remind me of Frank Zappa's music. 10. Constellations - 1987, France Badland Bad No. 005, CD Only 2 long tracks. Again we have a bizarre one. This one starts with dark brooding atmospherics and continues with sustained sounds (organ), sampled sounds, strange voices, beeps, blips, and blurbs. The second track has piano and harp sounds. Both tracks contain some irritating noises. 11. Tolling Toggle - Germany Funfundvierzig 57, 1991/92, CD only 18 short tracks played with Jorg Thomasius. This could be a soundtrack to a factory. There are many electronic factory sounds (machining, assembly, cutting, pounding, etc.) on these tracks. Some classical instruments are mixed with the background 'medium industry' sounds. I heard some steam and construction sounds in the distance. Weird. 12. Tonart Eins - Germany, private pressing, 1992, CD only Collaboration between Lars Stroschen, Conrad, and Jorg Thomasius 12 short to medium length tracks composed individually. This music is very bizarre electronic avant garde. Some tracks are so quiet that you think there is no music at all, while others feature strange distant chirping, buzzing, clanging, and percussive sounds. Some tracks feature some phaser sounds while others have an onslaught of various sounds. Very avant garde, dark, introverted music. 13. Ballet Statique - 1978, rel. 1992 on CD France Spalax 14223, Prod. by P. Baumann 5 medium length tracks orig. on 'Con' LP with 5 bonus tracks. Very electronic metallic cascading sounds. Track 2 (title track) sounds like from Baumann's 'Romance '76'. There are various rhythms (from driving to hypnotic) underlying high frequency effects fading in and out. The music is repetitive on most tracks, but nonetheless, interesting. 14. Clock Face - Germany Musical Tragedies EFA 11376, 1991/92, CD only 15 short tracks played with Jorg Thomasius. Again we have some more gears and bolts to deal with. This is dark eerie music with strange sound effects flashing in and out. Some tracks experiment with some crazy percussion with out-of-beat 'rhythms'. Some tracks have strange voices on them. Difficult music to listen to. 15. Tonart Zwei - Germany, private pressing, 1993, CD only Collaboration between Lars Stroschen, Conrad, and Jorg Thomasius 16 short tracks recorded Oct. 25, 1992 with no overdubs or electronics. This music is classified as musique concrete. No electronics are used on this recording. There are just sounds created using various household items, such a pots, bottles, vacuum, whatever. There are sawing, scribbling, banging, tapping, farting, squirting, whistling, etc. sounds. The spitting/blowing into an empty bottle about sums up this effort. 16. Con Brio - France Spalax 14274, 1993, CD Only 20 various length tracks grouped into 3 'movements'. This is a sample of the type of compositions featured in some Cassette Concerts. Many classical instruments and drums are used. Some parts are classical sound experiments that lack a musical identity while others feature heavy use of the piano and sound like contemporary classical/jazz improvisations. The liner notes contain a nice history of the Cassette Concert. 17. Con Repetizione - France Artgallery 50 00004 AG 004 CD, 1994, CD Only Two long tracks. First track is all 29 minutes piano. This track consists of repetitive piano music that is driving, rhythmic, and unrelenting. Sounds like two non-stop 'dueling' pianos. The second track is 30 minutes of driving electronics with repetitive hypnotic sounds. This track builds to an unrelenting fast tempo of pleasant electronics which don't quit. Other releases: 1. Kluster: Klopfzeichen - US Hypnotic CLP 9724-2, 1996, CD reissue of rare 1971 LP Kluster is Conrad, Dieter Moebius, and Hans-Joachim Roedelius This recording was sponsored by a church and features spoken religious themes in German over background music. The music is dark and minimal and could probably be called early industrial. When there is no voice the music becomes more loosely structured experimental deep space Krautrock. There are two long tracks and a bonus third from a concert in 1980, quite interesting. 2. Kluster: Zwei Osterai - US Hypnotic Review at a later date... 3. V.A. - Tangerine Ambience: A Tribute to Tangerine Dream US Hypnotic CLP 9723-2, 1996, CD There is an excerpt of Conrad's 'Solar Cells' on this tribute album. The entire 'Solar Cells' track is available on the 'Electronegativity' CD. 4. V.A. - Syntonic Waves Sampler Vol. 4 'Electronic-Sampler' - Germany Woodberry Music 6-079307 1993, CD, 500 copies One track (#13) on sampler: Isotop (4:04) unreleased! A short dark ambient electronic track with tinkering sounds in the background that blends well with the other contemporary electronic tracks on this 'Electronic-Sampler'. Book: 1. CON-SEQUENCE: The Conrad Schnitzler Biography & Discography Rolf Sonnenmann/Peter Stöferle, 1994, 1st edition If you've gotten this far, then I hope you enjoyed this. Oh I wish I'd have more time to continue. I once had a B-BQ at a friends house and we pulled the stereo outside and blasted Conrad's Blue Glow into the new subdivision (in New Jersey at the time). It was kind of cool and cloudy and it was most bizarre. I'm surprised nobody called the police, maybe they were hiding from the invading aliens? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10129 Re: D:Schnitzler Mike Livsey Mon 1/19/1998 3 KB 10134 Re: D:Schnitzler Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Mon 1/19/1998 4 KB 10135 Re: D:Schnitzler Paul Nagle Mon 1/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 19, 1998 12:52 am Subject: Re: D:Schnitzler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Really-From: Vic Rek >14. Clock Face - Germany Musical Tragedies EFA 11376, 1991/92, CD only >15 short tracks played with Jorg Thomasius. >Again we have some more gears and bolts to deal with. This is dark eerie >music with strange sound effects flashing in and out. Some tracks >experiment with some crazy percussion with out-of-beat 'rhythms'. Some >tracks have strange voices on them. Difficult music to listen to. I bought that one a few years ago. Itīs not my cup of coffee. Agreed itīs difficult music to listen to, but if you compare this CD with other difficult stuff like TDīs Zeit or 'Mundus Subterraneus' by Lightwave incl Haslinger or the opera 'Totentag' by Klaus Schulze (which is awesome IMO), these releases sound like 'easy listening'. Hell, 'Clock Face' is the most difficult stuff Iīve heard in my life ! If you donīt like 'Zeit' you should avoid this releases at all costs and if you like 'Zeit' Iīm not sure if youīll enjoy 'Clock Face'. Cīmon Vic, do you really like it ???? Jens np: Clock face (just kidding, donīt wanna hurt myself) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 19, 1998 12:41 am Subject: Re: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-18 18:03:54 EST, you write: << now the big question, who wants to organize it/them? oh yeah, what selection criteria are we going to use? (maybe some floydies could help us out here) >> well, u really wanna start with masters, and the rarer the better....i guess one per year would be fine...ive got 86,88 and 92 masters and some 1st gens b4 that and id be happy to organize it...so throw some impressions on the list tom w np: schulze - jubilee disc 21 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 19, 1998 10:16 am Subject: Re: D:Schnitzler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:14:12 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Really-From: Vic Rek > > >Dear Dreamers, > >CONRAD SCHNITZLER REVIEWS > Thanks for the detailed insight on Conrad. I was considering picking up a few to hear what he's like. Now, uh, I think I'll pass... :-( Schulze is my limit for experimental noodling... Regards. -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, The courage to change the things I can and The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really ticked me off!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 19, 1998 3:48 am Subject: Re: D:Schnitzler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Hell, 'Clock Face' is the most difficult stuff Iīve heard in my life ! >If you donīt like 'Zeit' you should avoid this releases at all costs >and if you like 'Zeit' Iīm not sure if youīll enjoy 'Clock Face'. > >Cīmon Vic, do you really like it ???? Did I ever say I liked it? I may play it once every 5 years or so. The best thing about it is the title. Hey Jens, if you want to have a contest for the most difficult music, Clock Face comes in a close second, right behind 'Tonart Zwei'! I 'listened' to this once and I vowed never to listen to it again or even offer it to anyone else, unless they were my enemies of course. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 19, 1998 7:29 am Subject: Radio DJs & programers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: LADY OF THE LIZARDS Hi I'm looking for DJs etc.. to send my cd to. It is an independant release in the 'style' of td, vangelis. 12 tracks 69 minutes total. ADD. contact me privatly. thanks riley roden (ascap) Decapolis The River $12 cd/$8 tape My track 'smooth sailing', was inspired from the White Out cover/album/artwork. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 19, 1998 8:16 am Subject: WANTED TO BUY :Heartbreaker's Movie Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawn & Garden dept.' Hi, anyone have a copy of this for sale {or can make me a tape copy, i'll gladly pay for it!!!!!} Haven't been able to find this anywhere. Helllp! Regards, Just this guy... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10144 Re: WANTED TO BUY :Heartbreaker's Movie Soundtrac DJS Mon 1/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 19, 1998 10:18 am Subject: Re: Alpha Centauri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: Lawrysimm > > Are any UK list members going to Alpha Centauri this year? (apart from the > obvious Mr Nagle! :-) ) Errhh..Pardon? Colin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 19, 1998 1:19 pm Subject: Re: D:Schnitzler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Excellent work, Vik. Whilst I can't see myself rushing out to track down his back catalogue, I have been interested by his Kluster work (I have the first album Klopfzeichen). I also have Cluster's recent CD Live in Japan 1996, and a solo Roedelius CD - Tace. Both of these seem to be abstract and minimal. It's interesting (to me) that where as Edgar has gone from abstract jazz-type effects on Electronic Meditation to more 'commercial' / accessible / 'normal' music, Conrad seems to have stayed 'way out there' (based on what you say about his recordings). I guess this is partly due to his own volition, but also, perhaps, by the 'company' he keeps. I would suggest that Moebius and Roedelius share(d) his musical stance to a greater extent than those who have joined Ed in TD (except perhaps Chris'). Of course, the discussion on whether this interaction has been for better or worse has always been popular on the list, with almost everyone having their own opinion on it. Anyway, thanks Vik for the run down. It'll be useful if I ever stumble across any of his CDs (seems unlikely, but you never know). ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10135 Re: D:Schnitzler Paul Nagle Mon 1/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 19, 1998 10:41 pm Subject: Re: D:Schnitzler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >Excellent work, Vik. Whilst I can't see myself rushing out to track down his >back catalogue, I have been interested by his Kluster work (I have the first >album Klopfzeichen). I also have Cluster's recent CD Live in Japan 1996, and a >solo Roedelius CD - Tace. Both of these seem to be abstract and minimal. I always thought Schnizler was never part of Cluster and that Cluster was simply Moebius and Roedelius? Are you saying that Kluster and Cluster are the same? I have several Cluster albums which I love.... Anyone fill in the details here as I just can't remember anymore. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... http://www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 06/01/98) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: Persistence of Vision CDR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' I have only been reading the list for about the last three months and have been interested in getting a copy of this show. Could somebody point the way to getting a copy of this on CDR? I am willing to send blank CDR, postage etc. Please e-mail me off list with the info. Thanks for the time. Frank Stephen From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: Quinoa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' Is there anybody out there with an original copy of Quinoa and a CD Recorder who would be willing to make me a CD copy of Quinoa? Am willing to send blank CDRs and return postage. Please e-mail me off list. Frank Stephen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15539 Quinoa J. Lee Jolley Thu 4/8/1999 1 KB 15543 Re: Quinoa JMPoer Fri 4/9/1999 1 KB 15549 Re: Quinoa Joe Shoults Fri 4/9/1999 1 KB 16773 Quinoa Mats Nordlinder Wed 6/9/1999 1 KB 16779 Quinoa Derk Thu 6/10/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 19, 1998 4:27 pm Subject: Re: D:Schnitzler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Paul Nagle > >I always thought Schnizler was never part of Cluster and that Cluster >was simply Moebius and Roedelius? Are you saying that Kluster and >Cluster are the same? I have several Cluster albums which I love.... > >Anyone fill in the details here as I just can't remember anymore. Kluster is not exactly Cluster. Kluster became Cluster after Conrad left the band. I have an LP by Cluster which I can't recall the name of at the moment. The album is produced by Peter Baumann and has a black and white cover. I recall liking it but I haven't played it in a while. Anybody want this LP? I can send it to you for a song. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 19, 1998 4:28 pm Subject: Re: D:Schnitzler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 i guess vic is the person to ask: i picked up this cassette thing called 'concert'....apparently schnitzler and someone called ken montgomery at the erloserkirche in berlin 3.9.1986...the label, if u want to call it that, is kk014, and the contact is some guy in the old ddr...anyone know what this, besides 'difficult'? thanks, tom w np: above (if anyone wants a copy let me know) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 19, 1998 4:30 pm Subject: Test ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' Hi folks, Just checking to see if this message gets through. Is tadream silent at the moment or is it just my connection??? Can someone email me directly to let me know if they are receiving messages from Tadream. Regards, Conrad Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15288 Test Glyn G. Morton Tue 3/16/1999 1 KB 16213 Test Daventura Sun 5/2/1999 1 KB 17115 Test Nick adams Mon 7/5/1999 1 KB 24969 Test Glenn Folkvord Sat 11/11/2000 2 KB 24971 Re: Test Neal Frost Sat 11/11/2000 2 KB 26149 Test Neal Frost Mon 2/26/2001 2 KB 32202 Test albenson Thu 2/14/2002 2 KB 33282 Test Heiko Heerssen Tue 4/9/2002 2 KB 33283 Re: Test Grant M Somerville Tue 4/9/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: Baby Tapes and fan Tapes on the D: list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' Not to bring up old threads...but with all this talk of baby tapes and fan tapes. First, I agree with Lars that a D:live list would be a great thing. I think it would work out if this type of D:list were divided into tours instead of individual shows. This would allow for more people to talk about a set of shows rather than individual shows. Just my .02. Second, How come when I have TD playing my 2 year old seems to tune it out, whereas if I am playing Fish or Marillion he seems to get into it. Weird thing, this younger generation. Possibly, TD is an acquired taste. Frank From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 19, 1998 4:51 pm Subject: Re: Alpha Centauri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: Colin Knowles > > >> Really-From: Lawrysimm >> >> Are any UK list members going to Alpha Centauri this year? (apart from the >> obvious Mr Nagle! :-) ) > >Errhh..Pardon? > >Colin Ha, we're really flying high this year! All the wat to Centauri. :-) Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: digest 157 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' Thanks to all who forwarded TD Digest 157 to me. It is very appreciated. Frank From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 19, 1998 7:59 pm Subject: Re: WANTED TO BUY :Heartbreaker's Movie Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Lawn & Garden dept.' > > Hi, anyone have a copy of this for sale > {or can make me a tape copy, i'll gladly > pay for it!!!!!} Haven't been able to find > this anywhere. Helllp! > > Regards, > > Just this guy... We have this at Super Collector for $16.99. It is the Silva Screen version with Betty Page cover art and it's re-mastered..woo hoo!. You can order it by calling 1-800-99-sci-fi or 714-839-3693. Rock on dude, Captain Dan of the sea! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 19, 1998 2:40 pm Subject: Re: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 09:13 PM 1/17/98 +0000, you wrote: >One a month is A LOT ! but of course I'm interested. maybe one every >three months would be advisable at the beginning. The tree could be the >result of, let's say, the conclusion about the more interesting fan >tapes discussed during the week ( from the soon to begin 'live tapes >discussions'). > > >---Francisco > Ah, well, Francisco has taken the thoughts out of my head--I was thinking this exact thing--t'would be a nice way to get some of the fantapes to those of us who are impaired in this area after a nice discussion about the various concerts. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 4:41 am Subject: Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure-Alliance Label ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Ceb Blankenship, Jr.' Gentlemen, This may have been discussed before but I need info. About the only TD releases I don't have on CD are Ricochet, Stratosfear, Phaedra and Force Majeure. On CD Now and Music Blvd. they list these CD's under the 'Alliance' label. Here in the Wash. DC area the only copies of these CD's I want are the old Virgin releases. I'm waiting to get the remastered or SBM versions. Do any of you guys know anything about these Alliance label releases? Are they remastered? Have the Virgin imports of the above 4 CDs been remastered? Neither CD Now or Music Blvd. give any info whether they are or not. Thanks ahead of time for any help you can offer. Ceb ceb@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10147 Re: Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure-Alliance Elias Granillo, Jr. Tue 1/20/1998 3 KB 10150 Re: Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure-Alliance Greg Heil Tue 1/20/1998 3 KB 10161 Re: Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure-Alliance Michael Fox Tue 1/20/1998 3 KB 10165 Re: Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure-Alliance Marcel Engels Tue 1/20/1998 3 KB 10170 Re: Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure-Alliance Greg Heil Wed 1/21/1998 3 KB 10185 Re: Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure-Alliance Michael Fox Wed 1/21/1998 3 KB 10190 Re: Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure-Alliance Rich Maggio Thu 1/22/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 4:26 am Subject: Re: Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure-Alliance Label ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Ceb Blankenship, Jr.' > > > Gentlemen, > This may have been discussed before but I need info. About the only > TD releases I don't have on CD are Ricochet, Stratosfear, Phaedra and > Force Majeure. On CD Now and Music Blvd. they list these CD's under ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ By all means, you must get FM!!!!! It's one of TD's finest recordings!!!!! E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 6:31 am Subject: Fwd: Electronic music discs! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) ---- Begin Forwarded Message 220 38551 <885265438.381353993@d...> article From: upnsm0ke@g... Subject: Electronic music discs! Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:11:30 -0600 Reply-To: upnsm0ke@g... Message-ID: <885265438.381353993@d...> Newsgroups: rec.music.newage Organization: Deja News Posting Service Path: ix.netcom.com!news.enteract.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!feed1.news.erols.c om!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja news.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jan 20 03:03:58 1998 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: upnsm0ke@g... X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; AK; Windows 95) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 153.34.104.62 (1Cust62.max68.los-angeles.ca.ms.uu.net) Lines: 19 Xref: ix.netcom.com rec.music.newage:38551 Unloading these mint condition electronic music discs...please email me privately if interested: *PEGASUS Individual Isolation....German electronic 80-85 style TDreamish duo *PAUL WARD For A Knave....Superb melodic electronics from one-half of the now defunct UK TDream-like duo Quiet Point *TANGERINE DREAM The Tangerine Dream Collection (still sealed)...three gold CDs featuring (with original jewel cases and booklets in a handsome slipcase) Tyger (OP version), The Best Of... and Poland {extracts from} The Warsaw Concert also: A Time For Heroes...long OP, CD single, NOT a cut-out, mint cond. Streethawk (lp single, cut-out, w/ radio edit) *YANNI....5 song radio promo CD -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet ---- End Forwarded Message Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10149 Re: Fwd: Electronic music discs! Paul Nagle Tue 1/20/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 4:28 pm Subject: Re: Fwd: Electronic music discs! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >*PAUL WARD For A Knave....Superb melodic electronics from one-half of >the I'm interested in this. Where and who are you? Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... http://www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 06/01/98) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 9:01 am Subject: Re: Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure-Alliance Label ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > > Really-From: 'Ceb Blankenship, Jr.' > > > > > > Gentlemen, > > This may have been discussed before but I need info. About the only > > TD releases I don't have on CD are Ricochet, Stratosfear, Phaedra and > > Force Majeure. On CD Now and Music Blvd. they list these CD's under > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > By all means, you must get FM!!!!! It's one of TD's finest recordings!!!!! > > E-Man I agree E-Man! There's no substitute to playing FM in a Jeep while driving down a beautiful lakeside drive during a beautiful Arizona sunset--I did that today :] That ambience at the start hasn't been matched, IMO. One of the most organic, warm, and lively electronic albums I have ever heard. P.S. Thanx Lars for getting me this one.. been trying to get my hands on remasters of all TD from Phaedra to Stratosfear as well.. Greg H. NP: Pink Floyd--Dark Side of the Moon--never heard it before until now! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10161 Re: Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure-Alliance Michael Fox Tue 1/20/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 3:45 pm Subject: The Keep: Film vs. the ST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Guess how I spent my weekend? I went through the film of The Keep and compared the movie music to what was released on the sountrack. The quick answer, for those who don't want to listen to my blather, is that only three (sort of another one, but not really) tracks from the ST appear in the film, at least as it was shown on cable TV a number of years ago. For those who want more details, read on. . . I counted 18 musical pieces in the film. Below is a listing of each, with the time, roughly, that they appear in the film, and what track they correspond with on the ST or on another album. An 'X' means that the track, as far as I know, is unreleased. Opening theme: 0 - 4:40 = X Germans arrive at village: 5:00 - 7:00 = X Cross pulling: 15:00 - 17:00 = Logos pt1, phase 5 (but is similar to #16, Heritage Survival, which they played live in '82) Meeting Glaeken: 22:30 - 25:45 = X The Priest & the Doctor: 38:50 - 42:00 = 6 The Night in Romania Molesar arrives: 45:00 - 47:00 = 1 Puer natus est nobis Alberta Watson (I forget her character's name) leaves the Keep: 48:40 - 51:00 = 6 The night in Romania Glaeken on the road, etc.: 54:50 - 55:40 = X Doing it!: 57:14 - 1:01:00 = X Molesar & the Doc: 1:01:40 - 1:04:00 = Logos pt2, phase 1 Leaving the Keep, or trying to, anyway: 1:05:30 - 1:06:30 = Mojave Plan (beginning) Confronting Glaeken: 1:07:00 - 1:08:30 = X Glaeken captured: 1:10:50 - 1:12:40 = X Juergen Prochnow (again, I forget the character) shot:1:16:00 - 1:18:00 = Logos pt2, phase 1 Glaeken vs. Molesar: 1:21:30 - 1:24:00 = 7 Canzone The Doc vs. Molesar: 1:25:00 - 1:27:00 = 6 The night in Romania The climax: 1:27:00 - 1:27:30 = Logos pt2, phase 1 End titles: 1:30:00 - 1:33:00 = X So there you have it. Out of 16 tracks on the ST, only three actually appeared in the film, and of 18 tracks in the film, 10 appeared either on the ST of on another album. I'm really surprised they had contractual trouble with this ST. The stuff from Logos, and a tiny bit of Mojave Plan, is the only thing that had appeared elsewhere, so it seems like it would have been easy to acquire the rights to re-publish it. Unless TD current contract forbade them from releasing music on a different label. Until the boys from Berlin speak up, we'll never know. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10152 Re: The Keep: Film vs. the ST Peter J. Apruzzese Tue 1/20/1998 3 KB 10155 Re: The Keep: Film vs. the ST John M. Poer Tue 1/20/1998 4 KB 10171 Re: The Keep: Film vs. the ST Mike Livsey Wed 1/21/1998 3 KB 10178 Re: The Keep: Film vs. the ST Plumer, Scott Wed 1/21/1998 2 KB 10188 Re: The Keep: Film vs. the ST Hermes Guzman Thu 1/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 7:24 pm Subject: Re: The Keep: Film vs. the ST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Peter J. Apruzzese' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Guess how I spent my weekend? ... > > Scott Thanks for a neat, concise comparison of the music. Great work! I can't wait to get the CD regardless. Is there a US release date yet? Peter Apruzzese From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 4:47 pm Subject: Electronic Orgy - TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'John M. Poer' I have a dealer (mail-order) who has offered me a TD set called 'electronic Orgy'. 4 CD's for $70.00. No other info. Has anyone heard of this, I haven' t and I DO TRY to listen. Thanks. jp jmpoer@i... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10157 Re: Electronic Orgy - TD Vincent Goudreault Tue 1/20/1998 4 KB 10168 Re: Electronic Orgy - TD John M. Poer Tue 1/20/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 4:59 pm Subject: RE: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >allow more people the opportunity to participate. There are several people >on this list qualified to select a few good concerts (content & >quality-wise) to distribute w/o profit via a tree. additionally, there are >a few tape traders with low generation copies who could start out a tree >and help everyone out. Uh oh! :-) As an experienced trader, I fell embarassed asking this question, but how exactly does a tape tree work? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 5:09 pm Subject: Re: The Keep: Film vs. the ST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'John M. Poer' >Guess how I spent my weekend? >Scott Scott, A really nice job putting all that together. I thought you might like to know, that the various versions of the film itself are even more strangely related. The ORIGINAL film is very different from the 'commercial' video release; the video release is different from the 'cable' release; and last (and no way least), the 'network' release (run only once on a night when something huge like Oscars or Superbowl or whatever was going to be the big event) was so different is was almost another film. I have three of these (lacking the 'real' original version). Don't have your kind of courage to try to break down the differences but they are most definitely there. Some scenes are totally missing from the 'cable' and 'network' version, 2 scenes are missing from the 'commercial video'. The missing scenes may explain some of the 'missing' cuts...but not the 'added' ones....unless the 'added' ones were done for the film but not used. I have noticed in the past that TD seems to just pull the tapes and put them on a CD, with no editing or expansion of the themes. I fact, they MAY have no involvement in the process after they do the original work. Movie music contracts are strange....the artists don't always retain control of the work. Once again, good work on your side. Holler loud if you hear the CD is out. Thanks jp (John M. Poer) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 5:37 pm Subject: Re: what is a tape tree (description) caution-long post ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-20 11:55:18 EST, you write: << As an experienced trader, I fell embarassed asking this question, but how exactly does a tape tree work? >> here u go...best i could find on short notice....tom w np: further mutations Structure for the 3rd run of the rarities tree Audio tape/Mini disk only DAT TREE will be posted seperately Top level branches (0,1,2,3,4,5) I'll contact you seperately 0 brs@m... [leave] 1 jscott@m... [branchleader rest of the world] 1.1 c9104506@c... 1.1.1 Allan.Bontjer@a... 1.1.2 opel@n... 1.2 pviney@a... 1.2.1 dan@g... 2 zaphy@m... [branchleader Europe and surrounding area] 2.1 Marc-Olivier.Becks@b... 2.1.1 bib@m... 2.1.2 nijofue@h... 2.2 scarecrow@r... [UK subbranch] 2.2.1 spencer.liddicoat@d... 2.2.2 syd.barrett@d... 2.3 origrosv@n... 3 cymbaline@v... [branchleader USA (AZ/MI/IL/CO/PA)] 3.1 sudol@a... 3.1.1 ekrapil@r... 3.1.2 fmanriq@m... 3.2 Jwmyers@a... 3.2.1 craig.skelly@s... 3.2.2 dmfloyd@a... 3.3 mcintyre@p... 3.3.1 usfmdxfr@i... 3.3.2 paukette@p... 3.3.3 bootman@w... 4 rgoodman@i... [branchleader different part USA (IN/FL/DE/NJ/CA/ME/MN)] 4.1 inga@i... 4.1.1 chris@u... 4.1.2 spike@u... 4.2 bcarvatt@b... 4.2.1 pintabone@e... 4.3 tapeworm7337@j... 4.3.1 fjones@c... 4.3.2 daubin@m... 4.4 iacovou@b... 4.4.1 bandle@i... 5 neves@c... [branchleader USA/South America (TN/WV/CA/CT)] 5.1 timschroeder@w... 5.1.1 amits@i... 5.1.2 chriswallace@e... 5.2 toth@c... 5.2.1 eclipse@a... 5.3 floydking@a... 5.3.1 ravi@t... 5.4 lowery@u... 5.4.1 darinb@f... S pink@u... [Source for rest of USA and Canada] S.1 thibx@n... S.1.1 depoy@c... S.1.2 doors666@h... S.2 dbelbas@c... S.2.1 tweibrecht@j... S.2.2 jjackson@s... S.MD jonas@b... [branchleader MD (MiniDisk)] S.MD.1 banfield@i... ##### ## ##### ###### ##### ##### ###### ###### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # ##### ##### # ###### ##### # # ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ###### # # # ###### ###### If a tapetree falls in the cyber-forest, and there is noone around to hear it, would it make a sound ? Who needs information ? What follows is a rather lengthy eplanation on tapetrees, based on info found on the net (most notably the phish archives www.phish.net), advice from other echosians and my own limited experience in running tapetrees. If you have any questions, comments and/or suggestions please contact me at: gerhard@j... Thanks .. Wot's .. uh .. the deal ? A tape tree is a way to get a tape spread out fast through many people. Example: The Essential Roio Tree. I have a set of roio tapes that I think any serious floyd fan should hear. There are (at a rough estimate) a 150 serious floyd fans who do not yet have this particular tape on echoes. This would mean I would have to dub 150 copies.so I organise a tree. I [0] dub a copy for 5 people [1] who each dub a copy for 5 people [2] who make a copy for 5 people [3], and so 150 people have gotten a copy, while noone had to make more than 5 dubs. Any colour you like You can be either a SOURCE: -> meaning you already have the tape that's being treed, and you're willing to dub copies [0] in the above a SOURCE is sometimes known as SEED. BRANCH: -> you don't yet have a copy, but if you get a copy through the tree, you are willing to DUB copies [1] and [2] in the above BRANCH LEADER: -> aka TOP LEVEL BRANCH, the persons who are getting copies straight from the SOURCE, [1] LEAF: -> you don't have a copy, you do want one, but you are unable to dub copies, due to lack of time and/or lack of decent equipment.[3] PARENT/CHILD: A PARENT dubs copies for his/her CHILD, a CHILD gets copies from the PARENT. in the above [1] is the PARENT of [2], [2] is the CHILD of [1], and the PARENT of [3], [3] is the CHILD of [2]. Take up they tapedeck and play How to get your copy ? Sign up for the tree, after an announced period of time everyone who has signed up receives a copy of the full tree structure, and a note gets posted to echoes saying that the copy has been mailed out to all who participated, or if the tree is large, a note is posted to echoes, saying that the treestructure is made public on http://some.web.site/some/where, and that those whitout webacces, should contact the organizer to receive a copy of the structure. Many people prefer to get a confirmation when they sign up, but it's a lot of work to confirm each message you get, so not all tree managers do this. If you did sign up, but didn't get a copy this is the moment to contact the organizer. When you're in The tapetree structure format might be a bit confusing the first time you see it. I use the format that seems to be the most common on the 'Net: X roger@w... [DESCRIPTION] X.1 dave@p... X.1.1 rick@h... X.1.2 nick@h... X.1.2.3 alan@b... X.2 Syd@n... X.2.1which1@i... This means that X is the parent for X.1 and X.2 X.1 is parent for X.1.1 and X.1.2 X.1.2 is parent for X.1.2.3 DESCRIPTION is something like BRANCHLEADER or SOURCE , something self-explenatory. Biding my time Once you have gotten the structure, wait for your branchleader to contact you, or contact him, and if you are a SOURCE or BRANCH, contact your leaves. And then have patience .. your parent does her best to get the tapes out as fast as she can, and so do her parents, but tape trees can easily get delayed .. international mail takes a week (maybe two) to get around, dubbing takes time. On a big tree (6 tapes per dub) estimate a month delay for each level between you and the source, and that is provided nothing strange happens to cause further delays. Money Tape trees are done for fun, and to spread good music around, not for monetary gain .. act accordingly .. You either trade with your branch, or do a 2:1 trade [see further on] What shall we do now ? Proper behaviour: the following are just guidelines, no rules, just guidelines. *administrator* - shall allow enough time for people to sign up - shall make it clear when the deadline for subscription is - shall not flood echoes with subscription info (once a week is enough) - shall keep echoes up-to-date w.r.t. relevant info. - shall be there to help solve conflicts/problems on the tree - shall do her best to make sure people can get the tree structure - shall not beat people out of frustartion when things go again different than planned Tree PARENT: - shall contact her children upon receiving the tapes from her PARENT. - shall contact CHILD upon receiving of the tapetreesturcture to arrange the trade - shall do her upmost to get the tapes to her CHILDren asap. - shall _never_ _ever_ _under_ *NO* _circumstance_ use HiSpeed dubbing, nor autoreverse dubbing. Tree CHILD: - shall contact PARENT upon reception of the tree sturcture to arrange the trade * Trade shows or trade 2:1 blanks * type of tapes, what length * send tapes or tapes and boxes - shall mail a complete package to PARENT including * the trade * wot's uh the deal was (a printout of the last (few)emails works miracles * the return adress. - shall have patience - shall mail a note after receiving the tapes - shall not complain on echoes about the trade, but shall try to work things out with parent, or failing that with the administrator. The happiest tapes of out lives Mailing the tapes -- more guidelines -- (again this is all MHO, guidelines, not rules) * use a padded envelope * make your envelope reusable, safe the rainforests * reuse envelopes * pack your tapes correctly - if you send tapes with boxes, magic tape them together, so that they form one stronger whole (remember aesop) - if you send tapes sans boxes (I prefer this) -> if doing a 2:1 trade, the extra tapes should be sent WITH boxes unless otherwise agreed with parent use some elastic band (or suchlike) to keep the tapes tightly wound (put band through holes, wrap around the back, pronto). do *not* scotch tape tapes whitout boxes together * if you do a 2:1 trade, send *new* tapes, in boxes. * use enough postage * when mailing international, mail tapes as GIFT on the custom form * when mailinbg crosscontinental, send tapes AIRMAIL (from me (netherlands) to australia takes less than 2 weeks airmail, but takes over 2 months per seamail) A sourcefull of secrets Other sources of information * the trading guidelines on echoserv (email to echoserv@f... with a body of) send trading.guidelines echoes quit * the phish archives (www.phish.net) have a few chapters about tapetrees. * the broken arrow (Neil Young) website has some info and pointers as well 2:1 trades For each tape you want atped, you sent 2 tapes. One will get send back to you, the other tapes is to cover postage costs for the taper. The second tape should preferably be a new TDK SA-90 or Maxell Xl-II 90 tape (the tapetraders unit of currency). Buying tapes. The following adresses have been recommended to me by ``satisfied customers'', as suppliers of tapes for a decent price. * USA ``btw, for USA Branches: If you need to buy blanks at cheap prices. Call my friends at Terrapin Tapes in Greenwich, CT. They have damn good prices! Shipping is free if you buy 50 or more tapes! Call them at 1-800-677-8650.'' * Europe > email: sales@t... > Web: http://members.aol.com/tapehouse/musicpls.htm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10158 Re: what is a tape tree (description) caution-lon Plumer, Scott Tue 1/20/1998 3 KB 10160 Re: what is a tape tree (description) caution-lon TWeibre361 Tue 1/20/1998 2 KB 10184 DJ Shadow Michael Fox Wed 1/21/1998 2 KB 10204 Re: what is a tape tree (description) caution-lon Lawrysimm Thu 1/22/1998 2 KB 10224 Re: what is a tape tree (description) caution-lon TWeibre361 Fri 1/23/1998 2 KB 10238 Re: what is a tape tree (description) caution-lon Mike Livsey Sat 1/24/1998 3 KB 10268 Re: what is a tape tree (description) caution-lon TWeibre361 Sun 1/25/1998 3 KB 10269 Re: what is a tape tree (description) caution-lon AOutland Sun 1/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 6:21 pm Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy - TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jan 20, 8:47am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Electronic Orgy - TD > Really-From: 'John M. Poer' > > > I have a dealer (mail-order) who has offered me a TD set called 'electronic > Orgy'. 4 CD's for $70.00. No other info. > > Has anyone heard of this, I haven' t and I DO TRY to listen. Listening, perhaps... But have you tried READING??? ;-) There must have been more than 30 posts about 'Electronic Orgy' on this mail list last week. Dan (from Supercollector) came across a few of those sets, and quickly sold out after he wrote about them on this list. A few people already had a chance to listen to them and are reporting a most professional quality. > > Thanks. > > jp > > jmpoer@i... > > >-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10168 Re: Electronic Orgy - TD John M. Poer Tue 1/20/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 6:50 pm Subject: RE: what is a tape tree (description) caution-long post ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' ><< As an experienced trader, I fell embarassed asking this > question, but how exactly does a tape tree work? >> >here u go...best i could find on short notice....tom w >np: further mutations Thanks. It's as I suspected. I have one more question, though. People further down the tree get third or fourth-generation tapes, right? That would work fine for DAT or CD-R, but for analog tape that would kinda suck, nicht wahr? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 8:17 pm Subject: New trade list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jupe http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm New trade list . -- ***************************************************** * La PAGINA de TANGERINE DREAM de JUPE * http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/ mailto:jupe@c... * New SWAP List 1.5 , write me !!!!! * Nueva Lista de CAMBIO 1.5 , escribeme !!!!! * http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm ***************************************************** Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13718 New trade list jupe Sun 5/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 8:13 pm Subject: Re: what is a tape tree (description) caution-long post ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-20 13:47:48 EST, you write: << Thanks. It's as I suspected. I have one more question, though. People further down the tree get third or fourth-generation tapes, right? That would work fine for DAT or CD-R, but for analog tape that would kinda suck, nicht wahr? >> not really...second gen would be as far as it went if u do it right.... tom w np: dj shadow - preempive strike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10184 DJ Shadow Michael Fox Wed 1/21/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 3:48 pm Subject: Re: Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure-Alliance Label ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 02:01 AM 1/20/98 -0700, you wrote: >Greg H. > >NP: Pink Floyd--Dark Side of the Moon--never heard it before until now! Hey Greg! Another group you should check out is this band that was around a few years ago called 'The Beatles'. Funny name, I know, but they had a few songs that sounded pretty good. Let me know if you have trouble finding any of their CD's! <:-\ Mike ps--Vic--I have #0073 of the MF/UHQR DSOM lp--and it ain't fer sale! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 9:25 pm Subject: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jed_Levin@i... Is anyone here familiar with a TaDream b**tleg 4CD set called _Electronic Orgy_? If so, can you give your opinion of the set? It's supposed to be made up mostly of rare b-sides as well as some live material, spanning about 1970 through 1995. Jed Jed_Levin@i... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10166 Re: Electronic Orgy Sean Montgomery Tue 1/20/1998 3 KB 10208 Re: Electronic Orgy Ingrid Fri 1/23/1998 2 KB 10210 Re: Electronic Orgy gyedid@P... Fri 1/23/1998 3 KB 10212 Re: Electronic Orgy Vic Rek Fri 1/23/1998 2 KB 10247 Re: Electronic Orgy Jens Peschke Sat 1/24/1998 3 KB 10292 Re: Electronic Orgy Vincent Goudreault Mon 1/26/1998 3 KB 10491 Electronic Orgy Stephen, Frank Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10610 Electronic Orgy Hermes Guzman Sun 2/1/1998 11 KB 10629 Re: Electronic Orgy Sean Montgomery Sun 2/1/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 9:33 pm Subject: RE: Some TD et.al. for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >$7 The Dream Mixes - US Miramar 23073-2, 1995 >$12 Oasis - EU TDI Music TDI007CD, 1997 Anyone get dibs on these yet? If not, I'd like 'em. CMIYC was pretty bad, BTW, but at least I got it now. >$17 Quichotte - East Germany Amiga blue label re-issue Only $17 for this? I thought this was among the Holy Grails of TD-dom. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Well, *This* Really Sucks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman The mainframe that I e-mail from just dropped its conferencing system, which means that I'll have to now either access the tadream list via newsreader or by subscribing directly via e-mail. Fooey. For now, I'm going to subscribe via e-mail until I figure the other option out. I sent an e-mail to with 'subscribe tadream' in the header and the body of the message. Is that the correct way to subscribe? 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You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: Michael Fox > >Hey Greg! Another group you should check out is this band that was around a >few years ago called 'The Beatles'. Funny name, I know, but they had a few >songs that sounded pretty good. Let me know if you have trouble finding any >of their CD's! ><:-\ Hhmm, not sure if I heard of them. What a silly name btw, The Beatles. Great humor, Michael.:-) Some people could learn from this! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 9:34 pm Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Is anyone here familiar with a TaDream b**tleg 4CD set called > _Electronic Orgy_? I might be wrong, but I *think* that Dano knows something about this particular set! Big ;-) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean ____________________________ As of February 9, 1998: 35 McCaul Street, Suite 200 Toronto, ON Canada M5T 1V7 Phone: 416-971-7711 ____________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 9:57 pm Subject: want to trade for TD cds/cdrs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Findline I'm looking to trade for TD cds, even cdrs. Please tell me what you have. I have lots of comics, autographs, Star Wars figures, Punch magazines, plays, horror videos, books, cd-rom games, and LOTS of other etc. collectibles, just let me know Everything you're interested in. Thanks. Ben Ohmart findline@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 10:37 pm Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy - TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'John M. Poer' At 01:21 PM 1/20/1998 -0500, you wrote: >> >> Has anyone heard of this, I haven' t and I DO TRY to listen. > >Listening, perhaps... But have you tried READING??? ;-) There must have been >more than 30 posts about 'Electronic Orgy' on this mail list last week. >Dan (from Supercollector) came across a few of those sets, and quickly sold >out after he wrote about them on this list. A few people already had a chance >to listen to them and are reporting a most professional quality. > > > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > online since early 93, TD fan since 77 > first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet > Thanks C.B., I never knew this source of info existed until last night. Found it by accident through CDNOW. I know where to get those sets (for now) if anyone wants to know...e-mail me. Sorry if the form is incorrect....I'm not really a 'forum user'. Just flounder around and try to make it work. Thanks again for your time. jp From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 20, 1998 11:50 pm Subject: RE: Alpha Centauri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm >Really-From: Colin Knowles > > >> Really-From: Lawrysimm >> >> Are any UK list members going to Alpha Centauri this year? (apart from the >> obvious Mr Nagle! :-) ) > >Errhh..Pardon? > >Colin Sorry... the 5th Alpha Centauri Electronic Music Festival, in the Netherlands. In case you missed Eric Snelders post, it's on 21st March and features concerts by ARC (Ian Boddy and Mark Shreeve), Mario Schonwalder & Detlef Keller, Mark Jenkins, Alquimia, (our very own list member) Paul Nagle (hence the reference), Rainbow Serpent and Syndromeda. Plus all the sales stalls, CD's LP's, books etc, plus equipment (synths etc). Looks like a great one. Further info from Eric Snelders eric.snelders@d... (I think/hope). Hopefully somebody will correct that if it's wrong, I'm doing it from memory. Hope this clears everything up. Lawry PS. Hey Marcel.... I know that _you_ are going. Maybe I'll finally get to hear some Free System Project music too? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 21, 1998 1:18 am Subject: Re: Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure-Alliance Label ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > At 02:01 AM 1/20/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Greg H. > > > >NP: Pink Floyd--Dark Side of the Moon--never heard it before until now! > > Hey Greg! Another group you should check out is this band that was around a > few years ago called 'The Beatles'. Funny name, I know, but they had a few > songs that sounded pretty good. Let me know if you have trouble finding any > of their CD's! > <:-\ > > Mike Whaaaaaaaaa! The C, F, n' G boys (as my father calls 'em)? Never heard of any of their music..Heard of the name, not the music. This Beatles 'craze' turns me off...Yah yer right, funnie name.. I just like the depress'n Floyd stuff.. I'ma pessimist anyway :) Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10185 Re: Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure-Alliance Michael Fox Wed 1/21/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 21, 1998 9:44 am Subject: Re: The Keep: Film vs. the ST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:45:31 -0500, you wrote: Very informative. How does the b**t fare against the release you saw? Anyone compared the official/unofficial releases yet? Regards. -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, The courage to change the things I can and The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really ticked me off!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: So the list is alive--and so am I ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: gyedid@P... Glad to know the list is still alive! I just got full-fledged e-mail back--at this address at least--last Friday after spending a week without any net access at all because of the power outages here. My regular address does not seem to be responding to tadream or majordomo (or vice versa)--McGill's CS servers may not be 100% yet--so at least I've got this. The last list message I recieved was dated Jan. 9th. Anything newsworthy happen in this time? TD content? NP: _Patrolling Space Borders_ (first time I've heard the whole thing) Thanks to the generosity of Lars, I now have a semi-serious TD boot collection, including Brussels Cirque Royale 1980--an absolutely smoking concert that contains, among other things, the original version of 'Silver Scale'. Other goodies include _Coefficient of Aural Expansion_ and Ventura Theatre 1992--if you've got this one, you can pretty much dispense with _220 Volt NotLive_. Although I must say, Edgar's solo on 'Hamlet' is far less disciplined or 'musical' than the official version. Gabe glad to be back! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10179 Re: So the list is alive--and so am I Plumer, Scott Wed 1/21/1998 2 KB 10181 Re: So the list is alive--and so am I Vincent Goudreault Wed 1/21/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 21, 1998 3:34 am Subject: test ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid just a test to confirm whether or not this address is recieving stuff Gabe real email address: remove the 'nospam' to get my real address. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14165 test de Kruis, Hans SNV-MCF/9 Tue 6/2/1998 3 KB 14170 Re: test Marcel Engels Tue 6/2/1998 3 KB 14789 test Kasijo, Guy SSI-TSEA-R21 Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB 22501 test Nick Adams Tue 5/16/2000 2 KB 25195 test Joel S. Mullen Sun 11/26/2000 2 KB 25217 test Totta Rydqvist Tue 11/28/2000 2 KB 30194 test Nick Adams Tue 11/20/2001 2 KB 32281 test duncan mckee Tue 2/19/2002 2 KB 32282 test duncan mckee Wed 2/20/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 21, 1998 4:32 am Subject: TD newsgroup? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Findline Is there also a newsgroup for Tangerine Dream? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10180 Re: TD newsgroup? Plumer, Scott Wed 1/21/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 21, 1998 5:46 am Subject: KItaro & YOU CD's FS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Andy Garner I have a number of Kitaro, YOU and other CD's for sale. Please contact me privtaely for the list if interested. Thanks -- Andy Garner From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 21, 1998 8:07 am Subject: EM CD's For Sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Andy Garner I have been given the following CD's to sell. There are a few TD related titles in here. Prices are $15 or 9 GBP, whichever is easiest. I am also open to offers. Please e-mail me privately if interested. List follows: Biesenbach, Christoph - Inner Events Best Baefore - The End Of The World Froese, Edgar - Beyond The Storm (2CD) Froese, Edgar - Stuntman Franke, Chris - Babylon 5 (first CD) Franke, Chris - Klemania Franke, Chris - Pacific Coast Highway Habes, Tom - The Other Side Optical Image (Tom Habes) - Back To Basics Optical Image (Tom Habes) - Point Of No Return Optical Image (Tom Habes) - Optical Image Haslinger , Paul - World Without Rules Inoue, Makoto - Chronology 2 Kistenmacher, Bernd - Thoughts Klamt, Greg - Fluxus Quo Node - Terminus Quasar, Frank - Atmos Six & More - Blue Q Software - The Art Of Perfume Software - Electronic Universe - PTII Software - Space Designs Software - Brain Food Music Software - Heaven To Hell Synaesthesia - Ephemeral Synaesthesia - Desideratum (2CD) Williams, Bekki - Elysian Fields Williams, Bekki - Shadow Of The Wind You - Era Box Set (5CD's) Kitaro - Various CD's - please ask for details -- Andy Garner From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 21, 1998 3:11 pm Subject: Non-TD: Never heard DSOTM? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >Greg H. > > > > > >NP: Pink Floyd--Dark Side of the Moon--never heard it before until > now! > Just out of curiosity, how old are you? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10187 Re: Non-TD: Never heard DSOTM? Greg Heil Wed 1/21/1998 3 KB 10195 Re: Non-TD: Never heard DSOTM? Colin Knowles Thu 1/22/1998 3 KB 10196 Re: Non-TD: Never heard DSOTM? DAVENTURA Thu 1/22/1998 2 KB 10225 Re: Non-TD: Never heard DSOTM? TWeibre361 Fri 1/23/1998 2 KB 10242 Re: Non-TD: Never heard DSOTM? Greg Heil Sat 1/24/1998 3 KB 10442 Castlevania 4 & TD Dave Brewer Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 21, 1998 3:15 pm Subject: RE: The Keep: Film vs. the ST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Very informative. How does the b**t fare against the release you saw? I don't have the boot, but I plan on renting the movie this weekend and comparing it to the cable version. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 21, 1998 3:17 pm Subject: RE: So the list is alive--and so am I ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >The last list message I recieved was dated Jan. 9th. Anything newsworthy happen >in this time? Just the announcement of a US tour! No, really! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 21, 1998 4:49 pm Subject: RE: TD newsgroup? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Is there also a newsgroup for Tangerine Dream? Not unless someonestarted an 'alt.' group. TD is featured prominently on rec.music.newage and is also discussed on rec.music.progressive. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 21, 1998 6:29 pm Subject: Re: So the list is alive--and so am I ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Ho gosh, Gabe, you missed all the excitement regarding this 4 CD boot called 'Elctronic Orgy' that Dan (at Spercollector) told us about and quickly sold out in no times flat. This is to contain several rare tracks, some already available on previous boots (like 'Prayer of quiet dreams') but also stuff that is VERY hard to find nowadays ('Oszillator Planet Concert' spings to mind). (And in case you are wondering, yes, I was one of the lucky few who could order it before it was all gone, though I haven't received it yet.) C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 21, 1998 7:02 pm Subject: Re: Alpha Centauri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: Lawrysimm > >Sorry... the 5th Alpha Centauri Electronic Music Festival, in the Netherlands. > >PS. Hey Marcel.... I know that _you_ are going. Maybe I'll finally get to >hear some >Free System Project music too? Yes, I'll be there and together with another group I have my own stall. I will bring my own music with me, so you can listen to it. (CD-player+ Sennheiser headphones with me). For the people who are waiting for the next 'official' CD, all I can say that it won't be ready on the Alfa Centauri Festival. It too short time and I don't want to rush things. But please do come, I want to meet you all! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: THE KEEP: TDI, Blue Moon, the CD-R & LOGOS TYPE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:15:06 -0500 >Subject: RE: The Keep: Film vs. the ST >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Plumer, Scott > [I don't know who said the following:] >>Very informative. [. . .] Errr... I missed about four days's worth of TD posts (since school was closed and when I came back I found that the conferencing system I read tadream list messages on had gone belly-up forever), so I have no idea what you're referring to. (Anyone care to re-post it or send me a copy of it off-list?) [Scott said:] > I don't have the boot, but I plan on renting the movie this weekend >and comparing it to the cable version. The videotape is missing 7 minutes that the 'cable version' (non- premium [i.e. HBO. Cinemax, The Movie Channel, Encore, Starz, Showtime] cable, that is; stations like TBS, USA, TNT, etc.) has. ['I don't know' said:] >>[. . .] How does the b**t fare against the release you saw? The following should prove elucidative: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Here are the track names and times for the music related to the film known as 'The Keep' as they appear on the official THE KEEP--SPECIAL LIMITED EDITION, the Blue Moon boot, the THE COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP CD-R boot, and the LOGOS TYPE boot: + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + š THE OFFICIAL THE KEEP--SPECIAL LIMITED EDITION CD FROM 1997 š + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Total running time 60:06 1. Puer Natus est Nobis (Gloria theme) (3:09) 2. Ancient Powerplant (4:28) 3. The Silver Seal (3:07) 4. Voices from a Common Land (4:06) 5. Arx Allemand (4:24) 6. The Night in Romania (3:15) 7. Canzone (2:51) 8. Sign in the Dark (4:19) 9. Weird Village (3:23) 10. Love and Destiny (3:31) 11. The Challenger's Arrival (4:32) 12. Supernatural Accomplice (4:07) 13. Parallel Worlds (4:29) 14. Truth and Fiction (2:52) 15. Wardays Sunrise (3:20) 16. Heritage Survival (4:13) + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + š THE KEEP--BLUE MOON RECORDS BM-12/BMCD12 BOOTLEG CD FROM 1995 š + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Total running time 66:40 1. Dinu Pass (3:07) 2. The Keep (Main Title) (4:05) 3. The Black Soldiers (5:14) 4. Deadly Silver Crosses (6:31) 5. Brothers In Death (8:07) 6. Evil Healing (3:51) 7. Glaeken's Quest (4:38) 8. The Evil From Within (4:47) 9. The Black Soldiers (1st Mix) (8:57) 10. Gloria (3:05) 11. Romanian Road (2:52) 12. Fisherman's Morning (3:20) 13. Sailing Mission (3:00) 14. The Keep 'Mid Theme' (Remix) (1:50) 15. The Keep 'End Theme' (Remix) (2:22) + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + š THE COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP [THE KEEP CD-R] š + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Total running time 74:09 1. Sailing Mission (3:52) 2. Reign of Terror (5:20) 3. Dinu Pass I (3:02) 4. Dinu Pass II (4:08) 5. Mighty Castle (8:15) 6. Leave Taking (1:22) 7. Crossing Saver (4:02) 8. Gloria (1:42) 9. Denounce (3:45) 10. Terrible (5:42) 11. Fisherman's Morning (6:44) 12. Glow in the Dark (8:20) 13. The Keep Theme (3:57) 14. Sailing Mission (3:05) 15. Gloria (3:06) 16. Fisherman's Morning (3:20) 17. Romanian Road (2:52) + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + š The LOGOS TYPE boot from 1997 (Berlin, 1992): š + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Tracks 3-7 contain music not on LOGOS that sounds similar to that in the film known as 'The Keep.' 3. Track Three (5:09) 4. Track Four (2:37) 5. Track Five (3:57) 6. Track Six (4:18) 7. Track Seven (6:12) Okay. Now let's get down to business. I'll comment and remark on similarities between TDI010, the other two CDs, and film itself track- by track, in sequential order. 1. Puer Natus est Nobis (Gloria theme) (3:09) This track is pretty much the same as Blue Moon track 10, but it has nice instrumentation in the background which makes it vastly superior to the virtually a cappella version on the Blue Moon boot. 2. Ancient Powerplant (4:28) This is Blue Moon track 12--one of the three tracks broadcast on German radio--'Fisherman's Morning,' but this version is better. The song itself appears nowhere in the film. 3. The Silver Seal (3:07) This track, reminiscent of material on HYPERBOREA and of 'Love Phantasy' off the FLASHPOINT soundtrack, contains music not in the film, and not on the Blue Moon boot nor LOGOS TYPE. 4. Voices from a Common Land (4:06) This is Blue Moon track 11--one of the three tracks broadcast on German radio--'Romanian Road,' and seems to be identical to the version on the BM boot. The song itself appears nowhere in the film. 5. Arx Allemand (4:24) This is a jaunty, neo-classical tune that sounds somewhat like a combination of the styles of Tomita and Walter/Wendy Carlos, and brings to mind what a funkified version of 'Hobo March' (a/k/a 'Ode to Granny A' off Edgar's AGES album). This tune does not appear in the film, the Blue Moon boot, nor LOGOS TYPE. 6. The Night in Romania (3:15) Finally! A tune that is not a cover of a classical composition that actually appears in the film! This music comes from the climax where Dr. Cuza yells to Molasar, 'So . . . you prove yourself to *me*!' This music also appears on LOGOS TYPE as Track Six. It is not on the Blue Moon boot. 7. Canzone (2:51) This tune also appears in the film. It comes from the sequence wherein Dr. Cuza walks out of the sub-basement of the keep and past the silver crosses in the walls which light up as he passes them. It is not on the Blue Moon boot nor LOGOS TYPE. 8. Sign in the Dark (4:19) This track corresponds to LOGOS TYPE Track 5. This music, although quite Keep-esque, does not appear in the film nor on the Blue Moon boot. 9. Weird Village (3:23) This track is reminiscent of an early track on the WAVELENGTH soundtrack. I'm not sure which track. This tune does not appear in the film nor the Blue Moon boot nor LOGOS TYPE. 10. Love and Destiny (3:31) This track is reminiscent of material on the DESTINATION BERLIN soundtrack, even though DB is from 1989 and THE KEEP is from 1983! It did not appear in the film, nor the Blue Moon boot, nor on LOGOS TYPE. 11. The Challenger's Arrival (4:32) This track is very similar to Blue Moon track 6, Evil Healing. At the 3 minute mark, however, this 'official' version diverges. The Blue Moon boot version is better IMHO because it is spookier. This tune does not appear in the film nor on LOGOS TYPE as far as I know, and yet, since most of what is on the Blue Moon boot is indeed in the film, I am not sure of this. 12. Supernatural Accomplice (4:07) This track starts off sounding like a track of the WAVELENGTH soundtrack, then has a portion of the beginning of 'Cloudburst Flight' (from FORCE MAJEURE), then is similar to Blue Moon track 4, 'Deadly Silver Crosses,' but the contents of the tune are in a different order so that the backwards-air sound at the end of 'Deadly Silver Crosses' appears towards the beginning of 'Supernatural Accomplice' (this track). This version of the song does not appear in the film per se: it is a variant. It is not on LOGOS TYPE at all. 13. Parallel Worlds (4:29) This music does not appear in the film, nor the Blue Moon boot, nor on LOGOS TYPE. It is unique and unlike anything else TD has done. I have all four of Johannes Schmoelling's albums, and it my guess that this track is 100% Johannes' doing since I don't hear any Froese influence whatsoever. 14. Truth and Fiction (2:52) This track, which does not appear in the film nor on LOGOS TYPE, has sounds at the end that are similar to those found on track 12 (which, in turn, corresponds to Blue Moon Track 4, 'Deadly Silver Crosses'). Otherwise, this track is all-new (to *me*, at least). 15. Wardays Sunrise (3:20) This track, which does not appear in the film nor the Blue Moon boot nor LOGOS TYPE, features a guitar lead similar to that on track 11 ('The Challenger's Arrival'). 16. Heritage Survival (4:13) This track, which does not appear in the film nor the Blue Moon boot, is basically LOGOS TYPE Track Three with guitar added, but it fades out, leaving the impression that, like 'Silver Scale,' it is an excerpt from a longer piece. This is a great, majestic tune, similar to the ending of 'Logos Pt. II,' but more upbeat. It is more or less the high point of the LOGOS TYPE boot. So, there you have it. There are only three and a half tracks that appear in the film (track 12, 'Supernatural Accomplice,' being the half). One of the three tracks broadcast on German radio, 'Sailing Mission,' is nowhere to be found. The long variant of 'Moorland' in the film which clocks in at about seven minutes is not be found. Ditto the seven-minute ending that appears on the UHF-only syndicated TV broadcasts of the film. Actually, not even the end tune from the *regular* cut of the film is on the TDI010 CD! For those who like the film more than TD per se, a better bet than TDI010 would be the Blue Moon boot and tracks 3-7 on LOGOS TYPE (and especially the first 35 minutes of TD's 1982 Croydon concert). o LOGOS TYPE Track 3 = TDI010 Track 16 ('Heritage Survival') o LOGOS TYPE Track 5 = TDI010 Track 8 ('Sign in the Dark') o LOGOS TYPE Track 6 = TDI010 Track 6 ('The Night in Romania') It's not too late for us to get a more for-real THE KEEP soundtrack: maybe the *non*-Special Edition version will be more like the Blue Moon boot and actually feature a lot of music from the film! ;) Hey, and there's even the remote possibility that one of us will actually find a copy of the original 1984 issue of THE KEEP and we'll be able to find out if that version had as little music from the film as TDI010 does. CRITIQUE/CORRESPONDENCES OF THE COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP [CD-R] BOOT: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [Notice that tracks 1-6 and 9-15 from the Blue Moon boot are all on the KEEP CD-R, but that Blue Moon track 3 appears twice in two different versions and that Blue Moon track 14 (Moorland, excerpted from the movie) is less than half the length of its CD-R counterpart, while Blue Moon track 15 is little more than half the length of its CD-R counterpart. Also, the movie version of 'Gloria' is on the CD-R, along with the Blue Moon version.] 1. Sailing Mission (3:52) - Blue Moon #6/Evil Healing (3:51) cf TDI #11/The Challenger's Arrival (4:32) 2. Reign of Terror (5:20) - Blue Moon #3/The Black Soldiers (5:14) cf Denounce (#9 on this very CD-R) below 3. Dinu Pass I (3:02) - Blue Moon #1/Dinu Pass (3:07) 4. Dinu Pass II (4:08) - Blue moon #2/The Keep (Main Title) 4:05 5. Mighty Castle (8:15) - Blue Moon #9/The Black Soldiers (1st Mix) 8:57 6. Leave Taking (1:22) - from movie? Appears on no other CD 7. Crossing Saver (4:02) - the 1st part of the Moorland variant in the movie. cf Blue Moon #14/The Keep 'Mid Theme' (remix) 1:50 8. Gloria (1:42) - movie vers. No counterpart on TDI, BM, LOGOS, or LOGOS TY 9. Denounce (3:45) - Blue Moon #3/The Black Soldiers (5:14) cf Reign of Terror (#2 on this very CD-R) above 10. Terrible (5:42) - from the movie. Starts like Flying Kamikaze (KAMIKAZE 1989 track ten), then is the Logos Pt. II opening 11. Fisherman's Morning (6:44) - Blue Moon #4/Deadly Silver Crosses (6:31) 12. Glow in the Dark (8:20) - Blue Moon #5/Brothers in Death (8:07). In the movie when the soldiers open the stone block. 13. The Keep Theme (3:57) - Blue Moon #15/The Keep 'End Theme' (remix) 2:22 14. Sailing Mission (3:05) - Blue Moon #13 (3:00) 15. Gloria (3:06) - Blue Moon #10 (3:05) cf TDI #1/Puer Natus est Nobis (Gloria theme) 3:09 16. Fisherman's Morning (3:20) - Blue Moon #12 (3:20) cf TDI #2/Ancient Powerplant (4:28) 17. Romanian Road (2:52) - Blue Moon #11 (2:52) cf TDI #4/Voices from a Common Land (4:06) longer! Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ š 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! š +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 21, 1998 4:05 pm Subject: DJ Shadow ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 03:13 PM 1/20/98 EST, you wrote: >tom w > >np: dj shadow - preempive strike > Hey Tom--I got a preview CD of this and found it excellent! Whadaya think? Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 21, 1998 4:05 pm Subject: Re: Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure-Alliance Label ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 06:18 PM 1/20/98 -0700, you wrote: >Whaaaaaaaaa! The C, F, n' G boys (as my father calls 'em)? Never heard of >any of their music..Heard of the name, not the music. This Beatles 'craze' >turns me off...Yah yer right, funnie name.. > >I just like the depress'n Floyd stuff.. I'ma pessimist anyway :) > >Greg H. > I just cut the lapels off all my suit coats......pretty fab, eh? Gear? Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 21, 1998 9:12 pm Subject: MORE LATEST INFO ON 5th ALFA FESTIVAL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Snelders, Eric' -------------------------------------------------------------------------- MORE LATEST INFO ON 5th ALFA-FESTIVAL It is now also for sure that KORG will be present and Yamaha Netherlands with the brand-new EX-5 synthesizer (fresh from NAMM!), demonstrated by Bert Smorenburg ! say it further ! more information to follow ticket sales advanced bookings until march 15 1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 21, 1998 9:52 pm Subject: Re: Non-TD: Never heard DSOTM? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > > >Greg H. > > > > > > > >NP: Pink Floyd--Dark Side of the Moon--never heard it before until > > now! > > > Just out of curiosity, how old are you? > > Scott I'm 19... so give me a break! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Re: The Keep: Film vs. the ST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all- >Very informative. How does the b**t fare against the release you saw? > >Anyone compared the official/unofficial releases yet? As a matter of fact, yes. It was the Keep FAQ. It compared not only the CD's to each other, but to the film as well, and included specific commentary as to some of the legal issues regarding the release. It was a rather large post, which elicited no small response, as I recall... goozer --------------------------------------------------- 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has blurred.' --------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: KEEP FAQ or GACK? ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 19:39:47 -0600 (CST) you said: Subject: Re: The Keep: Film vs. the ST To: tadream mailing list >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >>Anyone compared the official/unofficial releases yet? > >As a matter of fact, yes. It was the Keep FAQ. It compared not only the >CD's to each other, but to the film as well, and included specific >commentary as to some of the legal issues regarding the release. [...] And I *still* say that much of the FAQ is more obfuscatory than elucidative. Look: I'm not exactly what one would call a greenhorn when it comes to things KEEP, so if *I* have trouble figuring out the FAQ (even after you tried to clarify things for me in off-list e-mail and over the phone!), then it's gotta have its rough edges. I think it's a case of an insider trying to explain something to a neophyte and having no idea how to empathize with someone out of the loop: sort of the way VCR manufacturers make their instruction booklets so that most people looking at them want to pull their hair out. ;) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 4:28 am Subject: Re: Ricochet, Stratosfear, Force Majeure-Alliance Label ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Rich Maggio If you want the remastered versions, I believe you will have to buy them as imports. As far as I know, Force M. and Cyclone are only available as imports at this point. The label they were released under in the US went out of business (if I remember correctly). They are definitely out of print in the US. A good place for imports is German Music Express at www.musicexpress.com. I've done business with them and their sister site Compact Disc Connection (www.cdconnection.com). Good prices and service. I can't say for certain, but I suspect that the ALLIANCE releases are not remastered. I haven't seen these in the stores. Like you, I've only seen the Virgin America releases, and that is only recently. For a long time, I haven't seen any of these in the stores. I believe they went out of print. As was said by someone else, FM is a must have for any TD fan. Rich Maggio > Gentlemen, > This may have been discussed before but I need info. About the only > TD releases I don't have on CD are Ricochet, Stratosfear, Phaedra and > Force Majeure. On CD Now and Music Blvd. they list these CD's under > the 'Alliance' label. Here in the Wash. DC area the only copies of > these CD's I want are the old Virgin releases. I'm waiting to get From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 6:10 am Subject: Late Orgies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS To those of you who have not received your orgies yet...several have departed for new homes as of yesterday. Delays were caused due to the holiday on Monday but several of you should have yours before the weekend. Now, as I said before...if you've ordered one already (as of 1-20) you will get one within the next 2 weeks or so guaranteed so just be patient. I will post here if I get any more extra sets to launch. If you live in the UK of course it will take a little longer (Jens, yours is on the way!) so hang tough pilgrims & the eagle will land soon. Regards, D-dude From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 5:54 am Subject: D J Shadow ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@c...> >>tom w >>np: dj shadow - preempive strike Did you notice that this Shadow fellow samples TD? Check out Endtroducing...D J Shadow track 4 and 'Invisible Limits' from Stratosfear. Oh, yeah, that's Edgar's guitar all right!!! >>Bob<< Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10202 Re: D J Shadow TWeibre361 Thu 1/22/1998 2 KB 10203 Re: D J Shadow Sean Montgomery Thu 1/22/1998 3 KB 10222 Re: D J Shadow TWeibre361 Fri 1/23/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 6:03 am Subject: Electronic Orgy Set ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'John M. Poer' If you are looking for the Electronic Orgy 4 CD set, try: Minette Music PO Box 2242 El Paso, TX 79951-2242 1-800-238-2737 I think the guy is a 'part timer' but he's honest and always ships what he advertises. I've bought a lot of stuff from him over the years. jp From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 3:00 pm Subject: start a newsgroup? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Findline How many of you would like to start a TD newsgroup? I would. Let me hear from you, with maybe some advice of how to. Thanks. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10197 Re: start a newsgroup? Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Thu 1/22/1998 4 KB 10199 Re: start a newsgroup? David Datta Thu 1/22/1998 3 KB 10206 Re: start a newsgroup? Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 1/23/1998 4 KB 10228 Re: start a newsgroup? Michael Fox Fri 1/23/1998 3 KB 10209 Re: start a newsgroup? Robert Grabowsky Fri 1/23/1998 3 KB 10211 Re: start a newsgroup? Vic Rek Fri 1/23/1998 3 KB 10213 Re: start a newsgroup? Findline Fri 1/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 4:04 pm Subject: Re: Non-TD: Never heard DSOTM? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > > > > > >Greg H. > > > > > > > > > >NP: Pink Floyd--Dark Side of the Moon--never heard it before until > > > now! > > > > > Just out of curiosity, how old are you? > > > > Scott > > I'm 19... so give me a break! Don't worry. I'm 25 and I still haven't! Colin 'I know a mouse and he hasn't got a house- I don't know why I call him Gerald! He's getting rather old but he's a good mouse' Pink Floyd From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 4:08 pm Subject: Re: Non-TD: Never heard DSOTM? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA Wait a minute...there are people who listen to TD who have never heard Dark Side of the Moon. You've got to be kidding me. That was the second album I ever bought, right after the soundtrack to Jaws.....Dave From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 4:31 pm Subject: Re: start a newsgroup? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Really-From: Findline > > >How many of you would like to start a TD newsgroup? I would. Let me hear from >you, with maybe some advice of how to. Thanks. For entirely selfish reasons, I wouldn't like to see a newsgroup set up. I wouldn't like to see the personnel and information available on this list split across two 'camps'. I don't have access to newsgroups and would hate to think that I was missing out on some vital piece of information that only newsgroup people were discussing. Of course, if someone tells me, now, that newsgroups and the mailing list can run hand-in-hand with no apparent seams, then I'll feel foolish. What I mean is, can people send mails as we currently do and have them come up on the newsgroup. Can newsgroup postings be converted to mails for the mailing list? ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 5:44 pm Subject: Re: D:Schnitzler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: TWeibre361 >i guess vic is the person to ask: >i picked up this cassette thing called 'concert'....apparently schnitzler and >someone called ken montgomery at the erloserkirche in berlin 3.9.1986...the >label, if u want to call it that, is kk014, and the contact is some guy in the >old ddr...anyone know what this, besides 'difficult'? thanks, Yes, I have information on this release. It is documented in his discography book that I mentioned in my original post on Conrad. Yes it is label KK014 and is a similar (but not identical) release to the LP titled 'Concert!' Circulation unknown. Ken Montgomery collaborated on a few projects with him and also released some cassette series too. If you want to visit Conrad's web page, then here's the URL: http://www.conrad-schnitzler.net4.com/ You can buy his CDs (and rare vinyl) at his web site. If you want his book, then e-mail me off list. >np: above (if anyone wants a copy let me know) Yes, I'd like it :-) Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 5:56 pm Subject: Re: start a newsgroup? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: datta@c... (David Datta) } Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 } Of course, if someone tells me, now, that newsgroups and the mailing list can } run hand-in-hand with no apparent seams, then I'll feel foolish. What I mean } is, can people send mails as we currently do and have them come up on the } newsgroup. Can newsgroup postings be converted to mails for the mailing list? They could but I won't allow it with this list. Newsgroups have waaaay too low a signal to noise ratio and are much more vulnerable to spams than mailing lists and this list gets nuts enough already without making it worse. If someone seriously wants a TD newsgroup, they should look in the news.groups newsgroups for rules/procedures for creating it. If it actually comes to a vote, I will vote against. -Dave Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10206 Re: start a newsgroup? Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 1/23/1998 4 KB 10228 Re: start a newsgroup? Michael Fox Fri 1/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 4:43 pm Subject: Jackopierce ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: cafe@a... If I sent this mail in error, I must apologize, but I thought I saw that you had a site with information on the group Jackopierce and was hoping you would link to the interview I've done with them. In fact, I have a new program at The Celebrity Cafe where you can win free cds just by linking to the page. The page is at: http://www.abest.com/~cafe Icons and Graphics for linking are at: http://www.abest.com/~cafe/linktocafe.html Information on the Contest to win free cds is at: http://www.abest.com/~cafe/contest.html Thanks, Dominick --------------------------------------------- - Come to the Celebrity Cafe!!! - - http://www.abest.com/~cafe - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check out my essays.... - - http://www.abest.com/~cafe/essays.html - - then join my mailing list - --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 8:45 pm Subject: Re: DJ Shadow ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-21 16:09:07 EST, you write: << Hey Tom--I got a preview CD of this and found it excellent! Whadaya think? >> like disc one alot...disc two is forgetable....regards, np: the best of hardfloor Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 11540 DJ Shadow Elias Granillo, Jr. Mon 3/2/1998 3 KB 11543 Re: DJ Shadow Sean Montgomery Mon 3/2/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 9:04 pm Subject: Re: D J Shadow ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-22 01:00:13 EST, you write: << Did you notice that this Shadow fellow samples TD? Check out Endtroducing...D J Shadow track 4 and 'Invisible Limits' from Stratosfear. Oh, yeah, that's Edgar's guitar all right!!! >> no, i really hadnt noticed...guess ill be listening to that next...hes usually pretty good about credits though; gotta check if he gave edgar a plug.... thanks, tom w np: the best of hardfloor disc 1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10203 Re: D J Shadow Sean Montgomery Thu 1/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 9:35 pm Subject: Re: D J Shadow ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > no, i really hadnt noticed...guess ill be listening to that next...hes usually > pretty good about credits though; gotta check if he gave edgar a plug.... The liner notes do indeed list 'Invisible Limits' by Tangerine Dream as a source for the track 'Changeling'. I read an interview with Mr. Shadow (Josh Davis), in which he mentioned that Edgar was opposed to being sampled, and that it took the intervention of a mutual friend to smooth things over. I wonder who it was? SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean ____________________________ As of February 9, 1998: 35 McCaul Street, Suite 200 Toronto, ON Canada M5T 1V7 Phone: 416-971-7711 ____________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 10:33 pm Subject: Re: what is a tape tree (description) caution-long post ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lawrysimm Glad you asked about this first Scott. :-) Thanks for the (extensive) info Tom. So now the 150 of us that didn't have a clue know what it's all about. :-) Scott... I guess that would make you a potential seed? :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 1:20 am Subject: Minette Music and EO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'John M. Poer' For those of you who want to contact Minette Music for the Electronic Orgy CD, he would prefer you use his 800 number (1-800-238-2737) rather than writing him. He says he only does CASH or MONEY ORDER business at this time. $75.00 plus $5.00 US. (Foreign shipping is $7.00....payments must be US dollars) He has a limited supply so, 'nuff said. jp From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 2:30 am Subject: Re: start a newsgroup? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 11:56 AM 1/22/1998 -0600, Dave Datta wrote: >They could but I won't allow it with this list. > >Newsgroups have waaaay too low a signal to noise ratio and are much >more vulnerable to spams than mailing lists and this list gets nuts >enough already without making it worse. > >If someone seriously wants a TD newsgroup, they should look in the >news.groups newsgroups for rules/procedures for creating it. If it >actually comes to a vote, I will vote against. So will I. We had the experience on another list that got gatewayed through a bitnet.list that appears on the Usenet. It was a total and unmitigated disaster. Until the administrator put a stop to it, all the old list members were ready to leave, after only 1 week. Not only did the list lose its identity and privacy (both deadly in my book), but we got dumped on by several other 'discussion' groups whose agenda was patently different than ours. And I am being kind here. I am not even mentioning the archiving by various services (which can be defeated, by why should I have to), spamming to individuals who posted articles on the now open list, and the incredible amount of work that the administrator had to do to re-establish some semblance of an order and civility. BTW, I am aware of at least 4 situations in which a closed list and a newsgroup on the same topic are run simultaneously. Without exception, the newsgroup is trash by comparison. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 2:56 am Subject: Haslinger's Planetary Traveler (long) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Precious little has been said or written about this video release. Though it has been in my possession for several months, I somehow neglected to view it in its entirety until this past weekend. One of the primary features of the video is its touted production on desk top computers. Not being a graphic artist, comments about the quality of the visuals is best left to someone else... For those who are patient, we can hopefully expect a CD release of the Soundtrack later this year. The video tells the story of the PHLEIG, a race of planetary travelers who 'move at the speed of thought' and go about exploring space. They learn about a particular system of eight planets, one of which exists as a meeting place of possibility where beings make a transition of one state of consciousness to another. (whew!) The PHLEIG proceed to search for this world by exploring each of the planets in this system, with the video being the 'flight log' of the journey... Each of the eight planets is very diverse, as is the musical score that accompanies each journey. For those who haven't seen it, or are waiting for the release of the CD, I offer a brief description of what to expect in each world. One of the most interesting aspects of the overall score is the collaboration of Paul Haslinger with Christopher Franke, giving us a hint of what TD might have sounded like had Edgar been the one to move on (or at least taken the day off)... (Not that I would have wanted that). We enter the first world by descending through blue sky and clouds. The score here is something in the vein of B5, conveying the excitement and adventure we all experience at the beginning of a journey. The world is green and lush, with great expanses of water. As the sun begins to set the music begins to wind down a bit, expressing some uneasiness or uncertainty about what lies ahead in the next world... The second planet is a dark, fiery, threatening place. Ominous red and green rushes across the sky, while sulfur fills the air. Volcanic activity scorches the surface, while guitars sear the air. The music is akin to a B% battle scene, with aggressive percussion and rising tension, but the sound has more of an edge. Alien choruses shout threateningly as we are eager to move on... Next we softly descend into a world blanketed in ice an snow. Mystical sounds twinkle around us as if sunlight reflecting through icicles. As we skirt across this vast arctic landscape we get caught up in an infectious, lilting sequencer pattern... Our journey is almost cut short upon entering the rocky landscape of the fifth planet. We soar over sand dunes, and wind through narrow canyons with renewed determination. The music is akin to Future Primitive, though with less of an eastern flavor... We enter the atmosphere of the sixth planet with sunlight streaming majestically across the sky. The music includes orchestral washes...something like a cross between Jerry Goldsmith and Jerry Goodman. The landscape is beautiful, but also harbors strange and eerie formations. The music effectively contrasts these light/dark elements in a way far superior to the occaisionally annoying back&forth of Tenchi Muyo. The seventh planet is cold and stark...Above the desolation is a sky filled with stars. The music is propulsive, with rumbling subterranean bass, and a Paul Speer-like guitar wailing above it all. We are clearly close finding what we are looking for. Out of nowhere, we encounter a horrific storm. Lightning flashes menacingly across the sound field... We arrive at our destination with a great tunes that could have appeared on World Without Rules... I won't spoil the supposedly profound ending, but it left me asking disdainfully (ala Klaus Schulze) ' You mean that's it!'. A treat for the eyes and ears nonetheless... Check it out! Mike Jean, Chicago From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 3:12 am Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ingrid@p... (Ingrid) i hate this band Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10210 Re: Electronic Orgy gyedid@P... Fri 1/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 11:13 pm Subject: Re: start a newsgroup? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky This is just my opinion, I feel we do NOT need a newsgroup. We have this list and it is a whole lot better that any newsgroup set-up I have seen. Also I have enough to keep track of with e-mail let alone a newsgroup. Which would more than likely duplicat what we read here. THE HIGHLANDER >Really-From: Findline > > >How many of you would like to start a TD newsgroup? I would. Let me hear from >you, with maybe some advice of how to. Thanks. > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: gyedid@P... On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: ingrid@p... (Ingrid) > > >i hate this band > Isn't that a profound, descriptive judgement. So, why are you on the list? Most of us here are TD fans of some sort who can say something good about them at some point in their career. You other folks smell something living under a bridge? Looks pretty cut and dried to me. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 4:22 am Subject: Re: start a newsgroup? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Robert Grabowsky > This is just my opinion, I feel we do NOT need a newsgroup. We have >this list and it is a whole lot better that any newsgroup set-up I have seen. > Also I have enough to keep track of with e-mail let alone a newsgroup. >Which would more than likely duplicat what we read here. > THE HIGHLANDER > I totally agree with Bob's opinion. THIS place is where you learn about and enjoy Tangerine Dream. This list is sacred - so don't fuck with it dude! Sorry, Mr. 'Findline'. >>Really-From: Findline So why don't you tell us something about yourself? And also mention why a newsgroup is so important to you since I have not seen any contributions from you on this list??? Also, do you have a name, Mr. Findline? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 4:32 am Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: ingrid@p... (Ingrid) >i hate this band Seems like you went to a lot of effort to express you opinion? Now please unsubscribe and fly away like a kite! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 4:52 am Subject: Re: start a newsgroup? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Findline In a message dated 98-01-22 23:33:20 EST, you write: << So why don't you tell us something about yourself? And also mention why a newsgroup is so important to you since I have not seen any contributions from you on this list??? Also, do you have a name, Mr. Findline? >> Don't attack me for making a suggestion. Now that I've heard your points, I agree with you. And I have posted, requesting trades for things I have. Not any takers though. Are there any of you who have cdrs who can make copies of things? Thanks. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 5:27 am Subject: Miramar TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Hey all! I thought this would be interesting.. Talking with my art instructor out of MCC (Mohave Community College).. who I'm good friends with.. his room mate from his college days is now VP at Miramar (been there a while)... '....By the way, don't be surprised to see Tangerine Dream back on the Miramar label.  My friend said he went to Germany and made them an offer.  (He still listens to Pink Floyd and reminded me that I got him started on the genre when I introduced him to a group called Renaissance back in the 70's.)...' Small world :) Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10218 Re: Miramar TD Plumer, Scott Fri 1/23/1998 2 KB 10235 Re: Miramar TD gyedid@P... Sat 1/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 10:06 am Subject: PF taste ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'FREDERIC YARGUI' Hello, Everybodreamers I don't like Dark Side. I prefer Shine On You or Animals. But, you know, the early years (saucerful & piper) are another side of PF they never showed again. Goodbye, Cruel Syd? Fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10217 Re: PF taste Colin Knowles Fri 1/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 10:45 am Subject: Ltd-edition Christopher Franke CD set for sale; various TD/Schulze CDs, etc! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jonathan Miller Hi everyone, I have the following CDs for sale, priced in UK pound sterling. Christopher Franke, 5 limited-edition 'Babylon 5' 'episodic' CDs containing music from the following single shows in its entire length: 'Severed Dreams'; 'A Late Delivery From Avalon'; 'Walkabout'; 'Shadows Dancing' & 'Z'Ha'Dum'. Ģ80 ono for the set. Tangerine Dream: 'Pergamon', 'Poland', 'Le Parc', 'Underwater Sunlight', 'Tyger' & 'Livemiles'; Castle Communications 1996 edition CDs, without sleeves; hence Ģ3.50 each, or Ģ15.00 the lot. Klaus Schulze: 'Royal Festival Hall Vol.1' & '...Vol.2', 'The essential 72-93' (Virgin); 'Goes Classic', 'Das Wagner Desaster', 'In Blue', Wahnfried 'Translation' (ZYX); 'Inter*Face' (Manikin), Ģ7.50 each, or Ģ45 the lot. 'Totentag' double (ZYX), Ģ10. Kraftwerk: 'Autobahn', 'The Mix' (EMI); US-edition 'Computer World', Ģ7.50 each, or Ģ15 the lot. Neuronium: 'Alma' (Tuxedo Music), unopened Mac-compatible enhanced compilation CD, Ģ10. Any interested parties should contact me via the details below: Best wishes and continued success with your future projects, jsm Jonathan Scott Miller mailto:jonathan@j... MOBILE: +44 (0)410 264815 TEL: +44 (0)1582 563377 FAX: +44 (0)1582 563377 'Snail Mail': JONATHAN MILLER PRODUCTIONS 159 Westmorland Avenue Leagrave Luton Bedfordshire LU3 2PT UK ============================================== ****** 'WORDS PAINT A THOUSAND PICTURES!' ****** ============================================== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 11:16 am Subject: Re: PF taste ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: 'FREDERIC YARGUI' > > Hello, Everybodreamers > > I don't like Dark Side. I prefer Shine On You or Animals. > But, you know, the early years (saucerful & piper) are another > side of PF they never showed again. > Goodbye, Cruel Syd? > > Fred Agree with you about DSOTM (OK I have listened it-but only in passing!) I love the sense of humor in some of the early songs: Bike, Corporal Clegg etc. Its never been repeated because unfortunaltly Syd Barret went OTT on drugs or something and got put away. After that R. Waters toke over and lead PF down the road to the Wall. The rest is history (or should that be His Story?).. Colin 'Careful with that axe, Eugene' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 6:41 pm Subject: RE: Miramar TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >But it does make one wonder what happened to the deal with Castle. I thought Castle went bankrupt. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10235 Re: Miramar TD gyedid@P... Sat 1/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 6:42 pm Subject: Re: ORGY REVIEW-LONG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Sounds like I'll have to get this one. A few comments: : Album Mastering By Digital Domain ??? Digital Domain is James Cameron's FX company!!! I seriously don't think this could possibly be true. There is also a digital-domain music mastering company but would they really master a bootleg? : 1977 & O.S. Gmbh. Distributed by Telex International SKU # = : 13. Die Russian Kommen 1982 (Baumann, C & G Schnitzler) :3:28 : 14. The 4:08 To Paris 1982 (Berlin Express =3D Baumann, C & G = : Schnitzler) :4:08=20 : 15. The Russians Are Coming 1982 ( Baumann, C & G Schnitzler): 4:43 What is this? I don't ever remember hearing about it. Anyone know where it came from? Is there another album I don't know about? : 12 Fisherman's Morning 1983 (The Keep, Virgin promo LP) : 3:24 : 13. Romanian Road 1983 (The Keep, Virgin promo LP) : 2:55 : 14. Sailing Mission 1983 (The Keep, Virgin promo LP) : 3:02 : 15. Gloria 1983 (The Keep, Virgin promo LP) : 3:10 Yeah right, I still don't think there was ever an LP. A joke? Has anyone got the other keep bootlegs to compare to? : 18. Chased By Guido, The KIller Pimp 1983 (R.B. press kit) :3:04 : 19. Joel And The Porsche Take The Plunge 1983 (R.B. press kit) : 1:02 : 20. Catching The Egg 1983 (R.B. press kit) :0:12 : 21. The Return Of The Goodsens 1983 (R.B. press kit) : 0:58 : 22. Love On A Real Train 1983 (R.B. press kit) : 3:10 Are these the same really hissy versions that are floating around? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10221 Re: ORGY REVIEW-LONG TangerineC Fri 1/23/1998 3 KB 10223 Re: ORGY REVIEW-LONG TangerineC Fri 1/23/1998 2 KB 10229 Re: ORGY REVIEW-LONG Vic Rek Fri 1/23/1998 3 KB 10230 Re: ORGY REVIEW-LONG David Datta Fri 1/23/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 8:11 pm Subject: Need an opinion on buying 'The Keep' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC O.k. guys and girls(if there are any), I need some input on whether or not I should hunt down an expensive copy of The Keep soundtrack or just wait for an official release. What do you think? Is it worth having now? Will I be to old to care when the official release finally does come out? Let me know. Thanks, Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10226 Re: Need an opinion on buying 'The Keep' Plumer, Scott Fri 1/23/1998 2 KB 10231 Re: Need an opinion on buying 'The Keep' TangerineC Fri 1/23/1998 4 KB 10245 Re: Need an opinion on buying 'The Keep' TangerineC Sat 1/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 8:19 pm Subject: Re: ORGY REVIEW-LONG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC These seem to be singles put out by Peter, not by TD. But dont hold me to that comment. Anyone else know where this originates? In a message dated 98-01-23 13:43:58 EST, you write: << : 13. Die Russian Kommen 1982 (Baumann, C & G Schnitzler) :3:28 : 14. The 4:08 To Paris 1982 (Berlin Express =3D Baumann, C & G = : Schnitzler) :4:08=20 : 15. The Russians Are Coming 1982 ( Baumann, C & G Schnitzler): 4:43 What is this? I don't ever remember hearing about it. Anyone know where it came from? Is there another album I don't know about? >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 8:18 pm Subject: Re: D J Shadow ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-22 16:49:05 EST, you write: << I read an interview with Mr. Shadow (Josh Davis), in which he mentioned that Edgar was opposed to being sampled, and that it took the intervention of a mutual friend to smooth things over. I wonder who it was? >> jerome maybe? tom w np: freezone 2 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 8:18 pm Subject: Re: ORGY REVIEW-LONG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC Nope Dave, clear as a bell. In a message dated 98-01-23 13:43:58 EST, you write: << : 18. Chased By Guido, The KIller Pimp 1983 (R.B. press kit) :3:04 : 19. Joel And The Porsche Take The Plunge 1983 (R.B. press kit) : 1:02 : 20. Catching The Egg 1983 (R.B. press kit) :0:12 : 21. The Return Of The Goodsens 1983 (R.B. press kit) : 0:58 : 22. Love On A Real Train 1983 (R.B. press kit) : 3:10 Are these the same really hissy versions that are floating around? >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 8:23 pm Subject: Re: what is a tape tree (description) caution-long post ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-22 17:51:25 EST, you write: << Thanks for the (extensive) info Tom. So now the 150 of us that didn't have a clue know what it's all about. :-) ur welcome... Scott... I guess that would make you a potential seed? :-) >> or anyone else: how many of u people out there are tapers? just curious, tom w np: freezone 2 disc 1 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 8:47 pm Subject: Re: Non-TD: Never heard DSOTM? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-23 09:53:08 EST, you write: << Oh, OK. You're excused. If you grew up in the '70s, certain albums were issued to you: Dark Side, Fleetwood Mac's 'Rumours,' Jethro Tull's 'Aqualung,' etc. Just like 'Thriller' in the '80s or . . . what? in the '90s. Nirvana's 'Nevermind'? >> tom w np: kw - computerwelt (1981) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 9:03 pm Subject: RE: Need an opinion on buying 'The Keep' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >O.k. guys and girls(if there are any), I need some input on whether or not I >should hunt down an expensive copy of The Keep soundtrack or just wait for an >official release. What do you think? Is it worth having now? Will I be to old Wait. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 4:16 pm Subject: Re: Mr. Miller & his ads. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 07:14 AM 1/23/98 -0600, you wrote: I am now filtering all posts from this person. We won't be seeing >them again. Thank you kind Sir! Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 22, 1998 4:15 pm Subject: Re: start a newsgroup? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 11:56 AM 1/22/98 -0600, you wrote: If it >actually comes to a vote, I will vote against. > >-Dave > I agree wholeheartedly here. This group creates enough heat on it's own and all the crapoola you have to dig through on a public newsgroup isn't worth the hassle. I'd also vote NO! Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 9:39 pm Subject: Re: ORGY REVIEW-LONG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: David Datta >: 13. Die Russian Kommen 1982 (Baumann, C & G Schnitzler) :3:28 >: 14. The 4:08 To Paris 1982 (Berlin Express =3D Baumann, C & G = >: Schnitzler) :4:08=20 >: 15. The Russians Are Coming 1982 ( Baumann, C & G Schnitzler): 4:43 > >What is this? I don't ever remember hearing about it. Anyone know >where it came from? Is there another album I don't know about? This is not a Baumann release, but instead an official 12' single by Conrad Schnitzler (how appropriate this week). It was released in the US and is very rare. Last time I saw it, it sold for $125. I think you can also get the vinyl directly from Conrad for 2,000 DM! I'll have to check my Conrad discography book at home and get the details. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 10:25 pm Subject: RE: ORGY REVIEW-LONG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Dave, Just a response to your response: Really-From: David Datta Sounds like I'll have to get this one. A few comments: >Do so , It's the best in a long time. : Album Mastering By Digital Domain ??? Digital Domain is James Cameron's FX company!!! I seriously don't think this could possibly be true. There is also a digital-domain music mastering company but would they really master a bootleg > Yes, this is Cameron's company (the Eq of Lucas' THX for those who don't know) , I think that this is just for the sake of having the release look more professional and 'real' but on the other hand while Digital Domain didn't obviously do the remastering, whoever did -did a HELL of a job. : 1977 & O.S. Gmbh. Distributed by Telex International SKU # = : 13. Die Russian Kommen 1982 (Baumann, C & G Schnitzler) :3:28 : 14. The 4:08 To Paris 1982 (Berlin Express =3D Baumann, C & G = : Schnitzler) :4:08=20 : 15. The Russians Are Coming 1982 ( Baumann, C & G Schnitzler): 4:4 What is this? I don't ever remember hearing about it. Anyone know where it came from? Is there another album I don't know about? > I don't know what album -Lars?help? But while I have a few Bauman's these are with vocals in German and really kooky and very Kraftwork-esque. : 12 Fisherman's Morning 1983 (The Keep, Virgin promo LP) : 3:24 : 13. Romanian Road 1983 (The Keep, Virgin promo LP) : 2:55 : 14. Sailing Mission 1983 (The Keep, Virgin promo LP) : 3:02 : 15. Gloria 1983 (The Keep, Virgin promo LP) : 3:10 Yeah right, I still don't think there was ever an LP. A joke? Has anyone got the other keep bootlegs to compare to? >Again I think this was done just for the sake of the 'realism' and I believe these are the same radio versions on the Merchant release. : 18. Chased By Guido, The KIller Pimp 1983 (R.B. press kit) :3:04 : 19. Joel And The Porsche Take The Plunge 1983 (R.B. press kit) : 1:02 : 20. Catching The Egg 1983 (R.B. press kit) :0:12 : 21. The Return Of The Goodsens 1983 (R.B. press kit) : 0:58 : 22. Love On A Real Train 1983 (R.B. press kit) : 3:10 Are these the same really hissy versions that are floating around? >As stated by other list members-NO clear as a bell and sonically PERFECT. If you can get hold of one , really make an effort-DAN has stated he will let the list know if he gets any more at SuperCollector, and other list members have given alternate ways to get it. It will eventually hit the cdr and tape trees, so look there as well. Chris From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 23, 1998 10:30 pm Subject: RE: Need an opinion on buying 'The Keep' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Tom, I think you need to talk to Steven Feldman if you are even going to attempt to track down the LP on your own. His quest has equaled Glaekens in the search for the holy vinyl that is THE KEEP. My own advice....get the official and the Blue Moon cdr for the closest thing to a definative copy of the ST. Chris ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Friday, January 23, 1998 3:11 PM To: tadream@c... Subject: Need an opinion on buying 'The Keep' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC O.k. guys and girls(if there are any), I need some input on whether or not I should hunt down an expensive copy of The Keep soundtrack or just wait for an official release. What do you think? Is it worth having now? Will I be to old to care when the official release finally does come out? Let me know. Thanks, Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 12:24 am Subject: archive? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Gerardy Please excuse the newby (to the list not TADream) noise. The FAQ says there is an ftp archive at 'archive.uwp.edu' but my ftp client says there is no host by that name. Is there an archive and if so could somebody email me the correct address? Tangs alot. --tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10236 Re: archive? David Datta Sat 1/24/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 1:24 am Subject: to trade: strange behavior video ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers I recently picked up 2 copies of 'Strange Behavior' (aka 'Dead Kids' and 'small town Massacre') on NTSC video (N. american format), still sealed so I've got one copy available. if you're interested, please contact me off list. film production date is 1981and it's 97 min. btw: TD did the soundtrack and no it ain't been released yet. lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 2:11 am Subject: Virgin Keep release, dead in the water? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Still not getting any tadream mail at this address, but.... Have the plans for a truly official release of _The Keep_ on Virgin (who I presume owns the rights) gone belly-up, leaving with this 3/4 forged TDI disc as the only, um, 'real' Keep ST? Gabe real email address: remove the 'nospam' to get my real address. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: RE: Miramar TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: gyedid@P... On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >But it does make one wonder what happened to the deal with >Castle. > > I thought Castle went bankrupt. > > Scott I didn't know that. If they did, I guess that provides as good a reason as any to go back to Miramar. But, why not concentrate on making TDI bigger and getting better distribution? Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 2:24 am Subject: Re: archive? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: Tom Gerardy : : : Please excuse the newby (to the list not TADream) noise. : : The FAQ says there is an ftp archive at 'archive.uwp.edu' but my ftp client : says there is no host by that name. Is there an archive and if so could : somebody email me the correct address? Older archives are at mirrors.aol.com under pub/music/lists/tadream newer ones are available via majordomo, send a message to majordomo@c... and tell it 'help'. I no longer work at the university and archive no longer exists . From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 2:52 am Subject: The Russians are Coming ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Here is more information on these tracks that have now appeared on Electronic Orgy: Conrad Schnitzler - The Russians are Coming (Maxi-EP 12') Often called 'Berlin Express'. With Gregor Schnitzler (his son). Produced by Peter Baumann. Has a really cool picture sleeve of a Russian bear. CBS Records CBS Portrait 4R9-03218, USA 1982 Source: 'CON-SEQUENCE' The Conrad Schntzler Biography and Discography. BTW, does anybody have this maxi single for offer? Hey, it doesn't hurt to ask. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 9:52 am Subject: Re: what is a tape tree (description) caution-long post ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) Count me in. I can source lots of stuff, particularly for Canada. I'd like to be a recipient for the material that I don't have. CD-R's are my preference. Anyone organizing this yet? -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, The courage to change the things I can and The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really ticked me off!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 9:52 am Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) My copy just arrived today! Customs nailed me for $8.05 for taxes and $5.00 for fondling. Uh, handling. That's the downside of Electronic Orgy being classified as a 'video' by customs. Oh well, the list of tracks is unparalleled! This set virtually eliminates the need to collect any other rarities type b**t. You still have to get the concert stuff, though!.. Regards. Hmmmm...what to do tonight.... -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, The courage to change the things I can and The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really ticked me off!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 4:00 am Subject: dream mixes I, 2 cd set ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Herod, Galen (NBC)' I have an extra copy of the 2 cd Dream Mixes. I'll let it go for $20 American postpaid, priority mail. I'd be mailing from Burbank, California. E-mail me at HEROD@N... Thanks, Galen Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 4:44 am Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Roy Burgess' lists Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10256 jeff stark Sun 1/25/1998 2 KB 10257 jeff stark Sun 1/25/1998 2 KB 10258 jeff stark Sun 1/25/1998 2 KB 10259 Re: Mike Livsey Sun 1/25/1998 3 KB 10261 Re: Mike Livsey Sun 1/25/1998 4 KB 10384 Gary Struhlik Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB 10906 ashok prema Sun 2/8/1998 4 KB 10910 Re: Jim Moore Sun 2/8/1998 3 KB 11141 willfred Sun 2/15/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 7:29 am Subject: Re: Non-TD: Never heard DSOTM? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >> > > >NP: Pink Floyd--Dark Side of the Moon--never heard it > before until > >> > now! > >> > > >> Just out of curiosity, how old are you? > > >I'm 19... so give me a break! > > Oh, OK. You're excused. If you grew up in the '70s, certain > albums were issued to you: Dark Side, Fleetwood Mac's 'Rumours,' Jethro > Tull's 'Aqualung,' etc. Just like 'Thriller' in the '80s or . . . what? > in the '90s. Nirvana's 'Nevermind'? > > Scott Ahh yes... the 80s!! Oops! What 80s? I forgot to do that!!! So it's the 90s.. well it's almost over.. I gave up after 'Ice ice baby' and never came back! I actually got my fill of music by putting 'Castlevania 4' into my Super Nintendo and listening to the synth music--which eventually brought me here! So Nazo Nazo is my composer hero with his popish classic toons. Greg NP: Castlevania Song 1 (after I get it hooked up :) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10442 Castlevania 4 & TD Dave Brewer Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 8:11 am Subject: D; Schnitzler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' I was perusing Goldmine for non-EM-related material when I chanced upon an ad. For any of you (???) who were absolutely, positively slobbering and foaming at the mouth to check out Conrad Scnitzler (right, Mr. Livsey? haha), the following eight CD's are available stateside at less-than-mortifying prices: Ballet Statique, Con Brio......$18.25 ea. Convex, Control, Electronegativity, Constellations, Con Repetizione.......$18.00 ea. Rot, 00/106.......$17.00 ea. plus shipping , of course.....VISA/MC/AMEX/DISCOVER/NOVUS accepted Jade Hubertz, 111 N. Sheridan Ave., Indianopolis, IN 46219-6123 Ph 317-356-0685 Fx 317-356-8416 Elias Granillo, Jr. upnsm0ke@g... 'The trouble with life in ivory towers, the seconds stretch until they fit the skins of hours' GEOFF MANN From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 8:11 am Subject: Astral Landscapes comp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' Oh, yeah, if you're also unable to sleep at night because you don't own the new 2xCD Tangerine Dream comp., 'Astral Landscapes,' Music Machine has it for $17, plus $4 shipping...address: 11459 Cronhill Dr., Suite O, Owings Mills, MD 21117. Ph 410-356-4567 Fx 410-356-4693 email: musimac@a... http://www.musicmachine.com Elias Granillo, Jr. upnsm0ke@g... 'The trouble with life in ivory towers, the seconds stretch until they fit the skins of hours' GEOFF MANN Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10254 Re: Astral Landscapes comp. Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 1/24/1998 3 KB 10293 Re: Astral Landscapes comp. Vincent Goudreault Mon 1/26/1998 3 KB 10294 Re: Astral Landscapes comp. Dennis Nigbur Mon 1/26/1998 3 KB 10295 Re: Astral Landscapes comp. Plumer, Scott Mon 1/26/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 8:43 am Subject: Re: Need an opinion on buying 'The Keep' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC Hey Chris, what's up? I wouldnt even attempt in trying to find the Lp. :) I meant the new cd put out by TDI. Should I wait until it's mass realeased, or should I get it now? Although I would also love a copy of the Blue Moon cdr if anyone has it to offer. Tom In a message dated 98-01-23 17:32:01 EST, you write: << Tom, I think you need to talk to Steven Feldman if you are even going to attempt to track down the LP on your own. His quest has equaled Glaekens in the search for the holy vinyl that is THE KEEP. My own advice....get the official and the Blue Moon cdr for the closest thing to a definative copy of the ST. Chris >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 9:45 am Subject: Infinite Horizons ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Fonda 'Beyond the Horizon' magazine has a new 5-yr. Anniversary CD which is available in March. According to the ad in the new issue, it's a double CD featuring unreleased and rare tracks from the following artists: 'Infinite Horizons' CD: Christopher Franke Michael Hoenig Steve Jolliffe Klaus Kruger Lightwave Pete Namlook Propeller Island Hans-Joachim Roedelius Johannes Schmoelling Conrad Schnitzler Mario Schonwalder/Detlef Keller Star Sounds Orchestra Jorg Thomasius They are printing only 1000 copies. The price to subscribers is $24 and non-subscribers is $30, plus S&H ($3 to US, $4.50 elsewhere). There is a 3 per person limit. The ordering address is: Horizon Music, Inc. 820 McIntosh Ct. #106 Prospect Heights, IL 60070 horizonmusic@j... The magazine is $25 per year to the US, $30 to Canada and $35 for everywhere else. It covers primarily TD and former TD artists (e.g. those on the CD) including articles, interviews, reviews and news and it carries some CD titles like most of Steve Jolliffe's releases. This month's feature was an 8-page article/interview entitled 'Celebrating 25 years with Klaus Schulze'. There are four issues per year of about 50 pages. It is quite well done. Regards, Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10252 Re: Infinite Horizons AOutland@a... Sat 1/24/1998 2 KB 10255 Re: Infinite Horizons TWeibre361 Sun 1/25/1998 2 KB 10260 Infinite Horizons Sturminatr Sun 1/25/1998 3 KB 10297 Re: Infinite Horizons Dave Brewer Mon 1/26/1998 3 KB 10263 Re: Infinite Horizons DJS Sun 1/25/1998 4 KB 10265 Re: Infinite Horizons Elias Granillo, Jr. Sun 1/25/1998 3 KB 10266 Re: Infinite Horizons Greg Heil Sun 1/25/1998 4 KB 10270 Re: Infinite Horizons Lawry Simm Sun 1/25/1998 3 KB 10274 Re: Infinite Horizons Vic Rek Sun 1/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 1:09 pm Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) >My copy just arrived today! Customs nailed me for $8.05 for taxes and >$5.00 for fondling. My copy arrived too! Bases on the 1st listening the sound quality is bloody superb, even for a high end nut like me. Thanx for your quick service, Dano :) This one is a must have for every serious TD collector, just for its sound quality ! >Oh well, the list of tracks is unparalleled! This set virtually >eliminates the need to collect any other rarities type b**t. No, thereīre still lots of other rare trax not to be found on the set, like the island contest track, Chris Frankeīs six-track demos f.e. However, itīs absolutely worth the money and maybe weīll see another 4 CD set called EO II with the other rare trax soon ;-). >You still have to get the concert stuff, though!.. Iīm still waiting for the 12 CD-R set 'The ultimative TD live b**t collection' ! Dream on Ladies and Gents Jens np: ReBorn to Sequence, TVM to Tony :D From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 3:35 pm Subject: Off-topic: The Replacement Killers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Just came back from the movie 'The Replacement Killers', Hong Kong star Chow Yun-Fat's Hollywood debut. This is an action film with the simplist plot: a cool killer with a warm heart refuses the order to kill an innocent 7-year-old and thus becomes the disobeyed wanted man. Very little dialogue and colour, but a lot of shooting. Highly recommended to those who like Hong Kong movies, esp. our very charismatic Chow ;-) Jeffrey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 3:45 pm Subject: Ambient Monkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Listening to the recent TD outputs 'The Keep', 'Time Square' and 'Ambient Monkeys',. I consider 'A.M.' the most brilliant of the said records, and the best since Oasis, IMHO. Some parts are very reminiscent of Edgar's beautiful 'Epsilon In Malaysian Pale', in a way an extension of the latter. The use of music from older albums against the jungle sounds achieved interesting results. Wonder how the music would sound if some music on 'Legend' was used instead. Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10328 Re: Ambient Monkeys Phil PDX Tue 1/27/1998 2 KB 10348 Re: Ambient Monkeys Plumer, Scott Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB 13194 Re: Ambient Monkeys Boneheads1 Mon 4/20/1998 5 KB 13199 Re: Ambient Monkeys PNaunton Tue 4/21/1998 3 KB 13201 Re: Ambient Monkeys John M. Poer Tue 4/21/1998 3 KB 13202 Re: Ambient Monkeys John M. Poer Tue 4/21/1998 3 KB 13207 Re: Ambient Monkeys Plumer, Scott Tue 4/21/1998 3 KB 13214 Re: Ambient Monkeys Sean Montgomery Tue 4/21/1998 3 KB 13254 Re: Ambient Monkeys Boneheads1 Wed 4/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 5:30 pm Subject: Wot ? Electronic Orgy for about US$ 120 offered by Groove, the Netherlands ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Hi there, hereīre the latest news from Groove unlimited, the Netherlands: 'We have some NEW 7' Tangerine Dream singles with Ultima Thule part 1 and 2. Price around US$ 20. Singles are packed in plastic with printed letters. We expect to get some special Tangerine Dream boxes called Electronic Orgy. In the box are 4 CDs with some exotic stuff. Expected price around US$ 120. Sound quality is 10!' Wot ? They expect īround 120 bucks for it ? Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 5:45 pm Subject: mill valley 86, does this tape exist?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers reading over some recent info, I saw a reference to the 'one-off Mill Valley Film Festival concert of Nov. 15, 1986' yet I don't see this tape listed on any list that I know of... does it really exist??????? can anyone help, please? thanks lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10296 Re: mill valley 86, does this tape exist?? Plumer, Scott Mon 1/26/1998 2 KB 10409 mill valley 86, does this tape exist?? Robert Forman Wed 1/28/1998 4 KB 10412 Re: mill valley 86, does this tape exist?? Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB 10424 Re: mill valley 86, does this tape exist?? Jim Moore Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 6:32 pm Subject: Re: Infinite Horizons ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 98-01-24 04:53:37 EST, you write: << According to the ad in the new issue >> You mean my long awaited issue of New Horizons is finally on the way? This is good news. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 8:26 pm Subject: castle/alliance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Castle appears to be very much alive... Check out their webpage at www.castleus.com... For the person who asked last week, the Castle is a divison of Alliance.... >But it does make one wonder what happened to the deal with Castle. >Or maybe, in light of my comment above, this deal was more on Edgar's >terms than Miramar's? (Cue picture of Edgar doing his best Godfather >impression) TD releases are also available directly from VOICEPRINT, which has a US office in New York... ( I received two RESURGENCE catalogs from them this week alone) It features a pretty good selection including Risky Business for 14.99, and Dream Sequence (perhaps a typo!) for under $30.00. >Anyway, if it means we'll be seeing TD albums on this side of The Pond >at low price and in copious quantities, I guess I'd have to say I'm all >for it. Mike J From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 8:55 pm Subject: Re: Astral Landscapes comp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 12:11 AM 1/24/1998 -0800, E-man wrote: > >Oh, yeah, if you're also unable to sleep at night because you don't own the >new 2xCD Tangerine Dream comp., 'Astral Landscapes,' Music Machine has it [.......] Not yet! :-( At least according to the gentleman I talked to. Maybe later. Now I really won't be able to sleep.:-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jan 24, 1998 11:50 pm Subject: Re: Infinite Horizons ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-24 04:53:37 EST, you write: << According to the ad in the new issue, >> is the new issue out? its only been what, 8 months, since the last one? sheesh, tom w np: heavenly bodies - celestial From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 1:07 am Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'jeff stark' subscribe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 1:05 am Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. 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Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'jeff stark' subscribe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10259 Re: Mike Livsey Sun 1/25/1998 3 KB 10261 Re: Mike Livsey Sun 1/25/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 9:15 am Subject: Re: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) Hey Jeff, Try the address listed below in the 'header' section. Look forward to hearing from you on the list. Regards. On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:07:24 PST, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: 'jeff stark' > > >subscribe > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, The courage to change the things I can and The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really ticked me off!!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10261 Re: Mike Livsey Sun 1/25/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 2:34 am Subject: Infinite Horizons ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sturminatr Hey all, To celebrate our fifth year of existence, Beyond the Horizon is releasing a special limited edition double-CD. It will consist of unreleased and rare recordings from the following artists: Christopher Franke Michael Hoenig Steve Joliffe Klaus Kruger Lightwave Pete Namlook Propeller Island Hans-Joachim Roedelius Johannes Schmoelling Conrad Schnitzler Mario Schonwalder / Detlef Keller Star Sounds Orchestra Jorg Thomasius Before anyone asks, I do NOT have a song list available just yet. The CD will not be available until March, but we are currently taking preorders. As I noted above, these will be strictly limited to 1,000 copies. They will not be reprinted. The price for the anniversary disc is $24 plus s/h for subscribers, and $30 plus s/h for non-subscribers. For those of you who have been toyed with the idea of signing up for a subscription, or have not bothered renewing, you can do so now and get the discounted CD price immediately. Oh, another pertinent point: there's to the amount of CDs you can order. Unless you call 1,000 CDs a limit. If you have any questions, feel free to EMail at my address above. -B. Kirby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10297 Re: Infinite Horizons Dave Brewer Mon 1/26/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 11:11 am Subject: Re: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) Hmmmm... Looks like his address is suffering from brain damage as I'm talking to myself at this point. (Shut up, you fool! How do you know you can trust...them!) On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 02:15:21 GMT, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) > > >Hey Jeff, > >Try the address listed below in the 'header' section. > >Look forward to hearing from you on the list. > >Regards. > >On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:07:24 PST, you wrote: > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >>says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >>message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >>The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Really-From: 'jeff stark' >> >> >>subscribe >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, The courage to change the things I can and The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really ticked me off!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 7:41 am Subject: Orgies: Customs & Soforth ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS Well, by now several of you have received your Orgies...& some of you still await (worry not..I sent the last 14 today so whoever you are....it's on the way). There is something I want to make clear however, so that we do not get large threads complaining about certain individuals get charged via customs because they ordered from out of the country. We (SC) mail out hundreds of orders every week. Several of these orders go out of the country and MUST be charged custom taxes, duties, & such. Now, many times we are requested to NOT include receipts and mark that it is a gift so that these taxes are avoided. This is illegal for us AND it eliminates the possibility for insurance for our product....so....if customs opens it and finds merchandise which is marked as a gift...everyone loses. We lose our uninsured product..the customer loses the product...and we are out the total amount AND subject to fines. So PLEASE do not ask us to lie pertaining to the worth of product enclosed. If you are too cheap to pay the extra ten bucks to get it through customs....you probably don't really want it anyway. This letter is not pertaining to anyone in particular here...you've all been quite cool putting up with the lame taxes charged. I just wanted to warn anyone who even thought of complaining to me once their package arrives. If you are out of the country...expect customs charges. That's life, it sucks...but you'll live. THIS particular release is worth it anyway. Regards fellow pilgrims, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 8:01 am Subject: Re: Infinite Horizons ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: AOutland@a... > > In a message dated 98-01-24 04:53:37 EST, you write: > > << According to the ad in the new issue >> > You mean my long awaited issue of New Horizons is finally on the way? > This is good news. Dell Hahahahahaha!! Okay okay, I have to say this now. AO is on the money when he complains about this mag. It's no wonder the shipping schedule is as flaky as it's creators. I am somewhat shamed to admit I was somewhat involved with this mag when it first hit. It tried to take the place of the TDIFC. Now the thing is even spurned by TD and features nothing more than endless, tiring articles relating to anyone and everyone involved with TD. I even think they interviewed Edgar's maid and some guy who sold Edgar an Ozzy shirt for their '90 tour (j/k). If you are looking for a good source for TD articles I suggest you just remain subscribed here. Datta's list is the best source for TD related material....period. Of course, if you like seeing grainy mac pictures Klaus eating donuts & sipping coffee whilst placing metal weights on his keyboard then BTH is perfect for you. Regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 7:37 am Subject: Groove Unlimited ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'John M. Poer' >Hi there, >hereīre the latest news from Groove unlimited, the Netherlands: >'We have some NEW 7' Tangerine Dream singles with Ultima Thule >part 1 and 2. Price around US$ 20. >Singles are packed in plastic with printed letters. >We expect to get some special Tangerine Dream boxes called >Electronic Orgy. In the box are 4 CDs with some exotic stuff. >Expected price around US$ 120. Sound quality is 10!' > Would anyone be so kind as to tell me how to get in touch with Groove Unlimited. I'm sure the address has been published, but I've missed it. Thanks jp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10267 Re: Groove Unlimited John M. Poer Sun 1/25/1998 2 KB 10271 Groove Unlimited Lawry Simm Sun 1/25/1998 3 KB 22431 Groove Unlimited Chris Richards Sat 5/13/2000 3 KB 22433 Re: Groove Unlimited Robert Grabowsky Sat 5/13/2000 2 KB 22432 Re: Groove Unlimited Herod, Galen (NBC) Sat 5/13/2000 5 KB 22435 Re: Groove Unlimited Dave Brewer Sat 5/13/2000 4 KB 22441 Re: Groove Unlimited Eric Rochon Sat 5/13/2000 2 KB 22446 Re: Groove Unlimited Chris Richards Sun 5/14/2000 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 7:39 am Subject: Re: Infinite Horizons ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Re: Infinite Horizons > Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 12:01 AM > Really-From: DJS > > remain subscribed here. Datta's list is the best source for TD related > material....period. Of course, if you like seeing grainy mac pictures > Klaus eating donuts & sipping coffee whilst placing metal weights on his > keyboard then BTH is perfect for you. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....especially when you can see crisp, crystal-clear reproductions of such at Klaus' website! E-Man > > Regards, > > Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 7:53 am Subject: Re: Infinite Horizons ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: DJS > > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > Really-From: AOutland@a... > > > > In a message dated 98-01-24 04:53:37 EST, you write: > > > > << According to the ad in the new issue >> > > You mean my long awaited issue of New Horizons is finally on the way? > > This is good news. Dell > > > Hahahahahaha!! Okay okay, I have to say this now. AO is on the money > when he complains about this mag. It's no wonder the shipping schedule > is as flaky as it's creators. I am somewhat shamed to admit I was > somewhat involved with this mag when it first hit. It tried to take the > place of the TDIFC. Now the thing is even spurned by TD and features > nothing more than endless, tiring articles relating to anyone and > everyone involved with TD. I even think they interviewed Edgar's maid > and some guy who sold Edgar an Ozzy shirt for their '90 tour (j/k). If > you are looking for a good source for TD articles I suggest you just > remain subscribed here. Datta's list is the best source for TD related > material....period. Of course, if you like seeing grainy mac pictures > Klaus eating donuts & sipping coffee whilst placing metal weights on his > keyboard then BTH is perfect for you. > > Regards, > > Dan What do you mean Dan? That's the kind of fanania I love to hear about! Getting deep into the artists' environments helps everyone discover those special influential secrets! And those inside pics of the TD's synth setup would be pretty awesome too! Maybe I was destined for Hardcopy ... (to foreginers.. that's a gossip magazine TV show) Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 9:15 am Subject: Re: Groove Unlimited ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Really-From: 'John M. Poer' >Would anyone be so kind as to tell me how to get in touch with Groove >Unlimited. http://mcs.mcs.nl/groove/ Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 3:26 pm Subject: Re: what is a tape tree (description) caution-long post ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-23 21:57:22 EST, you write: << Count me in. I can source lots of stuff, particularly for Canada. I'd like to be a recipient for the material that I don't have. CD-R's are my preference. Anyone organizing this yet? >> i guess the easiest way of doing this would be to start when the live material discussions begin and hopefully people will 'confess' to owning specific masters, and be willing to tree them, and we can go from there...its a bit of work, but everyone benefits in the end... just two cents, tom w np: plaid live Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10269 Re: what is a tape tree (description) caution-lon AOutland Sun 1/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 6:10 pm Subject: Re: what is a tape tree (description) caution-long post ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-01-25 10:29:57 EST, you write: << i guess the easiest way of doing this would be to start when the live material discussions begin and hopefully people will 'confess' to owning specific masters, and be willing to tree them, and we can go from there...its a bit of work, but everyone benefits in the end... just two cents, tom w >> I would like to take this opportunity to thank you, tom, for your generous offer earlier to share your recordings. I get the impression it is quite large. As a person who only a year ago even knew there was such a thing as fan tapes (I guess I live a sheltered life) I am really looking forward to the Live discussions and hope these things will be offered to neophytes such as myself. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 6:12 pm Subject: RE: Infinite Horizons ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' >Really-From: DJS >> --------- Really-From: AOutland@a... >> This is good news. Dell >Hahahahahaha!! Okay okay, I have to say this now. AO is on the money >when he complains about this mag. ^^ Hey Dano.. try 'she' for 'AO'. Right Dell? :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 6:12 pm Subject: Groove Unlimited ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' > Really-From: 'John M. Poer' > Would anyone be so kind as to tell me how to get in touch with Groove > Unlimited. Try checking out mcs.nl/groove/index.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 6:12 pm Subject: New e-mail address ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' The alert amongst you will have already noticed, but I have a new e-mail address. I am now lawrysimm@u... This is a permanent address so the next time I get ants in my pants and change ISP's, I won't have to change me e-mail address again. If anyone sent anything to my old AOL address in the last day or so, please resend to my new address. Thanks, Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 19375 New e-mail address Tootiehoot2@a... Wed 11/24/1999 2 KB 25552 New e-mail address gmroger@p... Wed 1/3/2001 3 KB 25561 Re: New e-mail address Richard Thu 1/4/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 7:28 pm Subject: Re: Infinite Horizons (WARNING...Humor enclosed) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > > material....period. Of course, if you like seeing grainy mac pictures > > Klaus eating donuts & sipping coffee whilst placing metal weights on his > > keyboard then BTH is perfect for you. > > > > Regards, > > > > Dan > > What do you mean Dan? That's the kind of fanania I love to hear about! > Getting deep into the artists' environments helps everyone discover those > special influential secrets! > And those inside pics of the TD's synth setup would be pretty awesome too! > > Maybe I was destined for Hardcopy ... (to foreginers.. that's a gossip > magazine TV show) > > Greg H. Hah! Wouldn't that be great! A TD mag that gossips like the Star or Enquirer. Heh, I can see the reporters following Monika around and taking pictures of Edgar lounging in his backyard wearing his classic black banded hat and trademark 80's aviator glasses. The cover could read: Edgar mourns over son's decision to become a surrealist artist and worship Buddha. Heh heh. Later, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 8:29 pm Subject: Re: Infinite Horizons ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: DJS >Datta's list is the best source for TD related >material....period. I agree, that's why I am here. >Of course, if you like seeing grainy mac pictures >Klaus eating donuts & sipping coffee whilst placing metal weights on his >keyboard then BTH is perfect for you. I agree, that why I subscribe :-) Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 8:29 pm Subject: D:Solo Week 33 - Jan. 26, 1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week we would like to hear comments on: Steve Schroyder - any releases ------------------------------ Please make subject heading 'D:Schroyder' when replying. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 8:55 pm Subject: Chris Franke? (N:Force/Collector) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I heard that this release by Norman Friedenberger (also known as N:Force) titled 'Collector' (how appropriate) has a couple of Chris Franke songs on it? Anybody care to comment on this. Elana, have you heard about this? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10277 Re: Chris Franke? (N:Force/Collector) Jens Peschke Sun 1/25/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 9:38 pm Subject: Re: Chris Franke? (N:Force/Collector) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: Vic Rek > >I heard that this release by Norman Friedenberger (also known as N:Force) >titled 'Collector' (how appropriate) has a couple of Chris Franke songs on >it? Anybody care to comment on this. Wot, you still donīt have those two remixes ? ;) To be serious again hereīs a brief review: Album review N:Force Collector, released at the KLEMdag 1997 Nightingale records The CD is available at CUE Records, Germany Overview This CD is in the style of Asana and (early) MegaByte with Franke influenced melodies (his main influence as HE SAID) and some Enigma references. Melodical progressive Eletronic Music with driving Beats. I highly recomment it to those who like that style of music. The Artist Norman Friedenberger aka N:Force released 2 CDīs as Norman Friedenberger. This is the 2nd CD as N:Force, his new label forced him to use a new name, Norman was forced and is using N:Force now. ;-) The label Nightingale produces mainly New Age (Yuk!) and Meditation (Double Yuk!) music. Norman, grown up in East Germany, is a classical trained pianist and bought his 1st synth in 1994. The most interesting tracks (for this list) seem to be Black Garden view [mystic trance remix) [9:27] & Maintain Heights [Deep Blue Remix] [5:44] They are worth buying the whole CD, IMO. Heīs adding a nice beat to both tracks and was using an excellent sound enhancer ('the tube' , if memory serves correctly). Youīll find a SMD (Synth Music Direct, UK) review at http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk/ncollect.htm Kind Regards Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 9:40 pm Subject: sonic images update ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Sonic Images recently sent out an update of all the CHris Franke Items it has available for sale. For those with out internet access, or the otherwise curious, contact me off list, and I will forward a copy of the listing to you... Mike J From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 10:07 pm Subject: I.C. US distribution lost ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean I received a letter from da music, informing me that as of 1998 they will no longer be distributing the label in the US. As a result they are having a liduidation sale...CDs are 1.49 / Tapes ar 0.49. These include artists like Ranier Bloss, Richard Wahnried, Software, Robert Schroeder! The only draw back is that the minimum order is 30 pieces. Act now... www.damusic.com Mike J Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10281 Re: I.C. US distribution lost A.Neumann Mon 1/26/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jan 25, 1998 10:17 pm Subject: TIMESQUARE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Saw it this weekend in a local shop for under $20.00, and wondering HOW it got here!!! That's all... And no, I didn't buy it because I already have it... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 4:15 am Subject: Re: I.C. US distribution lost ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: damusic@d... (A.Neumann) yes, the information is correct yes, you can order more than one pls provide postal address and we will send liquidation flyer to you thx ---- >Hi, > Someone just posted the following to the Tangerine Dream mailing >list. I just want to know if it's true. If it is, let me know, and >I'll order 30 CDs from you (can I order more than one copy of some of >the CDs I select?). > > -- Steven Feldman > >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >I received a letter from da music, informing me that as of 1998 they will >no longer be distributing the label in the US. As a result they are >having a liduidation sale...CDs are 1.49 / Tapes ar 0.49. These include >artists like Ranier Bloss, Richard Wahnried, Software, Robert Schroeder! >The only draw back is that the minimum order is 30 pieces. Act now... > >www.damusic.com > > >Mike J From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Macula Transfer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Georg Veltmann Hi folks, I heard that 'Macula Transfer' is going to be released on CD soon. Is that true? As far as I know VIRGIN licensed only three tracks 'IF810', 'PA701' and 'OS452' especially for Edgars 'Solo 1974-1979' issue from Brain/Metronome. So will it be rereleased be VIRGIN or what? Does anyone has any significant information? Thanx, Frank xcenter@c... -- > Imagination is more important than knowledge < Albert Einstein Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 11681 Macula Transfer Lawry Simm Thu 3/5/1998 2 KB 11758 Re: Macula Transfer Lawry Simm Sat 3/7/1998 3 KB 12518 Macula Transfer Rainer Rutka Wed 4/1/1998 3 KB 13962 Macula Transfer RBrown4856 Wed 5/27/1998 2 KB 13963 Re: Macula Transfer Jens Peschke Wed 5/27/1998 3 KB 13968 Re: Macula Transfer TWeibre361 Wed 5/27/1998 3 KB 14649 Re: Macula Transfer feldon@p... Mon 6/15/1998 2 KB 19893 Macula Transfer John Marchington Sat 12/18/1999 2 KB 19896 Re: Macula Transfer Vic Rek Sat 12/18/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 8:54 am Subject: n.p.? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA I'm assuming that n.p. denotes ' now playing '. I would like to tell all of you how much I enjoy the Tangerine Dream list. Although if I don't sign on everyday it tends to overfill my mailbox. Maybe I should switch to the Digest version. Any thoughts on this from the masses?....Dream On.....David n.p. Paul Simon...Negotiations and Love Songs 71-86...for the last time for awhile. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 10:38 am Subject: Jerome on Satellite ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft Francisco: On the tadream homepage they just announced that Jerome's radio show will also be broadcast to all of Europe via Satellite (ASTRA 1B, Transponder 30, 11.656 GHz, Vertical, Audio Subcarrier 6.30 MHz). There are only 2 problems with that: a) it will be in MONO, whereas the local radio broadcast is going to be in STEREO of course b) It doesn't seem to work (yet). I tried tuning in last night and indeed found ORB-TV on TP 30, but none of the audio subcarriers were active. Maybe they are still testing things, so you should keep trying...I believe they are still in test transmission mode and the official start of broadcasting via ASTRA is February 1st...the day of Jerome's show! Also, in last night's edition of 'ElectroBeats' they already did some heavy advertising for next week's show and specifically mentioned Jerome bringing in some TD rarities...I'll be curious. Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10287 Re: Jerome on Satellite DAVENTURA Mon 1/26/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 10:49 am Subject: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles Hi all, Just wondering but is there *anyone* else who thinks 90's TD is just as good/slightly better then the older '70's stuff? Can't stand most of the early stuff myself-it takes upto the early to mid 80's before I become interested. Anyone? Colin n.p. 'Lilly on the Beach'-great album that! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10299 Re: 90's TD Gabriel YEDID Mon 1/26/1998 3 KB 10304 Re: 90's TD feldon@p... Mon 1/26/1998 3 KB 10307 Re: 90's TD Gabe Yedid Mon 1/26/1998 3 KB 10311 Re: 90's TD Pui_chi Wong Mon 1/26/1998 2 KB 10300 Re: 90's TD DAVENTURA@a... Mon 1/26/1998 2 KB 10302 Re: 90's TD Sean Montgomery Mon 1/26/1998 4 KB 10301 Re: 90's TD Francisco Salgado C. Mon 1/26/1998 3 KB 10303 Re: 90's TD DAVENTURA@a... Mon 1/26/1998 2 KB 10305 Re: 90's TD DAVENTURA@a... Mon 1/26/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 4:00 am Subject: TD auction ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Peter Ravn Dear fellow Tadreamers I have to sell some TD CD's (and a few LP's)- totally about 25 - for for a friend. There are some rarities among the stuff, allthough the most is pretty 'normal'. If you want to make a bid, sent a mail to me at: peterravn@u... , no later than Jan. 30th 1998 and I will send the list to you. In your mail use the words - TD auction - in the subject field, it will help me sorting my mail. Best regards, Peter Ravn ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10290 Re: TD auction DAVENTURA Mon 1/26/1998 2 KB 10291 Re: TD auction DAVENTURA Mon 1/26/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 11:17 am Subject: Re: Jerome on Satellite ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA Aren't there programs 4 my computer that would enable me to hear this? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 11:32 am Subject: Please help me! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jel, Gabor' Hi! I am an hungarian T.D. fan and I have a question: what synths have used T.D. on the 1997 European Tour. I know some types (Quasimidi Raven, AKAI S-3200XL Sampler), but I want know all these instrument. Sorry for my little english knowledge: Gabor Jel mailto:jeel@i... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10289 Re: Please help me! DAVENTURA Mon 1/26/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 12:30 pm Subject: Re: Please help me! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA They should use Roland equipment exclusively...some of the finest quality instruments on the planet...just my opinion...I could be wrong....David From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 1:02 pm Subject: Re: TD auction ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA First question...what LP's?...Is there a list?...All or part?...A little more Info wouldn't hurt...just my opinion...I could be wrong....David Had lunch with Dennis Miller today... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 1:03 pm Subject: Re: TD auction ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA Please disregard my last post...I speed read your post and missed the Email address...duh From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 1:27 pm Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jan 24, 2:52am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy > > Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) > > > My copy just arrived today! Customs nailed me for $8.05 for taxes and > $5.00 for fondling. > > Uh, handling. > > That's the downside of Electronic Orgy being classified as a 'video' > by customs. Fell lucky: mine was clssified as 'CD for reproduction'. (Why? Is it because of that naked breast???) I paid more than $20 for taxes and 'fondling' as you say... C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10491 Electronic Orgy Stephen, Frank Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10610 Electronic Orgy Hermes Guzman Sun 2/1/1998 11 KB 10629 Re: Electronic Orgy Sean Montgomery Sun 2/1/1998 3 KB 10670 Re: Electronic Orgy TangerineC@a... Mon 2/2/1998 3 KB 10686 Re: Electronic Orgy Mike Livsey Tue 2/3/1998 3 KB 10981 Electronic Orgy Rainer Rutka Tue 2/10/1998 2 KB 11143 Re: Electronic Orgy BDuke25@a... Sun 2/15/1998 2 KB 11147 Electronic Orgy Tdune@a... Sun 2/15/1998 3 KB 11150 Re: Electronic Orgy Francisco Salgado C. Sun 2/15/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 1:39 pm Subject: Re: Astral Landscapes comp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jan 24, 12:11am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Astral Landscapes comp. > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > Oh, yeah, if you're also unable to sleep at night because you don't own the > new 2xCD Tangerine Dream comp., 'Astral Landscapes,' Music Machine has it > for $17, plus $4 shipping...address: 11459 Cronhill Dr., Suite O, Owings > Mills, MD 21117. > Ph 410-356-4567 Fx 410-356-4693 email: musimac@a... > http://www.musicmachine.com What is on it? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 2:07 pm Subject: Re: Astral Landscapes comp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:11:09 -0800 tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > Oh, yeah, if you're also unable to sleep at night because you don't own the > new 2xCD Tangerine Dream comp., 'Astral Landscapes,' Music Machine has it > for $17, plus $4 shipping...address: 11459 Cronhill Dr., Suite O, Owings > Mills, MD 21117. > Ph 410-356-4567 Fx 410-356-4693 email: musimac@a... > http://www.musicmachine.com > > > Elias Granillo, Jr. > upnsm0ke@g... > 'The trouble with life in ivory towers, the seconds stretch until they fit > the skins of hours' GEOFF MANN Could anyone tell me what this compilation is, who it's produced by, what it contains, etc.? Never heard of it. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 2:58 pm Subject: RE: Astral Landscapes comp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Oh, yeah, if you're also unable to sleep at night because you don't own the >new 2xCD Tangerine Dream comp., 'Astral Landscapes,' Music Machine has it >http://www.musicmachine.com They have 'FiveMiles' too! Scott NP: deadradio.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 2:55 pm Subject: RE: mill valley 86, does this tape exist?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >reading over some recent info, I saw a reference to the 'one-off Mill >Valley Film Festival concert of Nov. 15, 1986' yet I don't see this tape >listed on any list that I know of... does it really exist??????? I've never seen it anywhere. I'm sure a tape exists, but it's just not in circulation. Scott NP: deadradio.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 3:24 pm Subject: Re: Infinite Horizons ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: Sturminatr > > Hey all, > > To celebrate our fifth year of existence, Beyond the Horizon is releasing a > special limited edition double-CD. > Sounds great! I'll definately order one of these. I hope this means I'll be getting a new issue of BTH soon! Dave B. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 4:52 pm Subject: Ambient Monkey/TimeSquare/Video-Drem Mixes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Rainer Rutka Hi ev'rybody. Just for you information. The German mailorder 'JPC' is selling the new TD items. I kow these people are serious, because I'm bying CDs from JPB since 3 years without any problems. Price: The Video Dream Mixes (Video) 33,95 DM Ambient Monkeys (CD) 33,95 DM Time Square-Dream Mixes II (CD)33,95 DM Adress: www.jpc.de oder 'jpc# (German T-Online). Rainer Rutka - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 4:05 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabriel YEDID > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Colin Knowles > > > Hi all, > > Just wondering but is there *anyone* else who > thinks 90's TD is just as good/slightly better > then the older '70's stuff? > > Can't stand most of the early stuff myself-it > takes upto the early to mid 80's before I become > interested. > > Anyone? > > Colin > > n.p. 'Lilly on the Beach'-great album that! > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10304 Re: 90's TD feldon@p... Mon 1/26/1998 3 KB 10307 Re: 90's TD Gabe Yedid Mon 1/26/1998 3 KB 10311 Re: 90's TD Pui_chi Wong Mon 1/26/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 4:38 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA@a... Oh my God..Lily on the Beach?...I Frisbeed that disc after one sitting. Logos and Tangram and Stratosfer and Force Majeure are TD's best work.... But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. n.p. 220 Volt Live Repeating Track 6 over and over, til I'm insane. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10302 Re: 90's TD Sean Montgomery Mon 1/26/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 4:53 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: Colin Knowles > > Hi all, > > Just wondering but is there *anyone* else who > thinks 90's TD is just as good/slightly better > then the older '70's stuff? No, not in general but some are really good ( Lilly it self, optical Race, Oasis, Dream Mixes).( And 5th CD of Dream Roots, and The keep official edition... and Melrose...) I like almost all TD has done. Anyway, who cares? as long as you enjoy what you like. > Can't stand most of the early stuff myself-it > takes upto the early to mid 80's before I become > interested. Don't give up. There are a lot of different foods, all interesting. Sugar is always sweet and easy to swallow but there are other tasty flavors too ( and some of us even like hot chili!).. do you catch me? > n.p. 'Lilly on the Beach'-great album that! Yes, I like it too. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 5:19 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Oh my God..Lily on the Beach?...I Frisbeed that disc after one sitting. Logos > and Tangram and Stratosfer and Force Majeure are TD's best work.... > But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. This is not an argument that's going be settled this time around, just as it's never been settled before. Some people think Zeit is the Voice of God, others love Optical Race exclusively. I think it actually reflects well on the band that their pursuit of new sonic experiments continues to bring them new fans. Personally, I can appreciate things they've done at every stage of their career. Yes, even parts of Lily on the Beach. Hey, Blue Mango Cafe is a catchy, finger-snappin' little number! Furthermore, for electronic music to stay the same is death. Because Tangerine Dream music is rooted in sound exploration rather than timeless storytelling (as is the case in pop songs with vocals), it ages faster. Lacking lyrics, people find other contexts in which to understand it. As I've argued here before, this is why 'Love on a Real Train' is so popular...because people can associate it with having sex on the subway. But a lot of TD music lacks such easy connections. So it can rapidly acquire the taint of cheesy 80s TV show themes, anthemic sporting event soundtracks, or wanky riff-happy rock music if it stays too long in one position. It is necessary to move on and try new things before they get so easily pigeon-holed in the mind of the listener. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean ____________________________ As of February 9, 1998: 35 McCaul Street, Suite 200 Toronto, ON Canada M5T 1V7 Phone: 416-971-7711 ____________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 5:23 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA@a... Come on Francisco...everything they've done is rather vague...David From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 5:46 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:05 AM 1/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >> Really-From: Colin Knowles >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> Just wondering but is there *anyone* else who >> thinks 90's TD is just as good/slightly better >> then the older '70's stuff? >> >> Can't stand most of the early stuff myself-it >> takes upto the early to mid 80's before I become >> interested. Not I. I started on 90's TD. Then I progressed back to 80's and 70's. Now, the only TD I listen to is 1974-1986 TD. Oasis and Dream Mixes I are the diamonds in the rough for the 90's, as far as my ears are concerned. feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 5:36 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA@a... Optical Race was composed completely on an Atari... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 6:07 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > No, not in general but some are really good ( Lilly it self, optical > Race, Oasis, Dream Mixes).( And 5th CD of Dream Roots, and The keep > 5th Dream Roots CD? Can't remember (from memory) what's on that-I'll check tonight! > I like almost all TD has done. Anyway, who cares? as long as you enjoy > what you like. > True! Its always nice to have your ideas confirmed though! > Don't give up. There are a lot of different foods, all interesting. > Sugar is always sweet and easy to swallow but there are other tasty > flavors too ( and some of us even like hot chili!).. do you catch me? > Errrr..I think so!..I'll get back to on that one. Colin n.p. JMJ's Equinoxe and Zoolook on repeat play....Great! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 6:59 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid well that didn't work out too well for me...bloody Elm :-S What I said originally was that I thought every period has its great albums and not so great albums. I consider _Melrose_ (TD's best 'in here' album, IMO) to be every bit as good as _Rubycon_ (perhaps their best 'out there' album). The comparison is harder if you consider that with '70s TD, you get many examples of spontaneous, organic, free-form improv, while with the more recent albums you get some examples of well-composed, tightly structured compositions. Although TD has begun to return to that old spontaneity of style with Dream Mixes, more freely flowing and switching between musical ideas. Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10311 Re: 90's TD Pui_chi Wong Mon 1/26/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 7:11 pm Subject: Jim & Pablo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Could some kind soul please send me the tracklist, times and catalog numbers for Jim & Pablo? Thanks. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15072 Jim & Pablo Michael A Jean Sun 6/28/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 10:07 pm Subject: re: 90's tdream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'willfred' well........... let the flames rise higher and higher........... personally, i love ZEIT ( especially fricke's moog solo.....heavenly ) and think the real period of interest ended with the LEGEND o.s.t. ( although the rot started around the time of TANGRAM ). if one wants electropop, i think kraftwerk, new order, et al. do it better. i understand the need for change, but when the idea of progress iis just copying pop forms that you once decried ( as edgar did ), then the argument just heads south. i think money is a good motivator; i just wish edgar would stop all his rationalizing his need for comfort and security ( i.e, the almighty dollar ). this is just my hypocritical opinion though, so string me up guys..................... oxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo, bill2. willfred@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10312 Re: 90's tdream Sean Montgomery Mon 1/26/1998 5 KB 10315 Re: 90's tdream Greg Heil Mon 1/26/1998 4 KB 10343 Re: 90's tdream Colin Knowles Tue 1/27/1998 2 KB 10349 Re: 90's tdream Plumer, Scott Tue 1/27/1998 2 KB 10357 Re: 90's tdream Colin Knowles Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 7:14 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Florine Epure' tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to > majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > Oh my God..Lily on the Beach?...I Frisbeed that disc after one > sitting. Logos > > and Tangram and Stratosfer and Force Majeure are TD's best work.... > > But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. > > This is not an argument that's going be settled this time around, just > as > it's never been settled before. Some people think Zeit is the Voice > of > God, others love Optical Race exclusively. Why aren't we actually trying to settle this question-90's vs 70's vs 80's TD now or soon?(BTW I'm also in the camp that thinks Tangram,FM,Logos are TD's best-in this order :)) What I mean by that is : I would like to hear musical - professional - open-minded music critics what they have to say about TD! Each release!A comment from a professional - about composition - sounds everything on a TD release! A while ago Armin was mentioning a critic review about Alpha Centauri (or another early TD release) - do we have any such TD reviews by other well-known critics? Of course that if I like a TD release - I will listen to it even if critics says otherwise. But still I think it would be interesting to hear some more professional critics reviews about TD. Can we contact anybody who could help us do this? (Guess what the critics answer will be: 70's better as 80's better as 90's :)) Florin. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 7:48 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Pui_chi Wong unsubscribe tadream and unsubscribe tadream-digest From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 8:11 pm Subject: re: 90's tdream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > the rot started around the time of TANGRAM ). > If one wants electropop, i think kraftwerk, new order, et al. do it > better. This is undeniable. In fact, this is why Edgar took TD away from being a traditional Rock act in the first place. Many others were doing it better. Thus, going all-electronic was a way to make the band's sound distinctive. And in so doing, TD found their true voice, which is that signature multi-layered, atmospheric sound which has permeated all of their best work. When they've strayed too far from that path ('A Time For Heroes' and 'Brother or Stranger' come to mind), the results have frequently been awful. Yet, I can see why they'd change their tune on incorporating 'pop' sounds into their material. I don't think it has to do with money. TD has never been a particularly popular band, and their records don't sell by the hundreds of thousands. I think the band is driven partly by a desire to stay relevant, partly by the musical tools they use (which frequently dictate the palette of sounds available), and partly because they listen to music and are excited and influenced by it as much as anybody. > I just wish edgar would stop all his rationalizing his need for comfort > and security Personally, I think his is just a typical 20th Century artist pose. Ever since the invention of photography, artists have had to justify what they were doing with oblique theories and rigid ideologies. This wasn't just about explaining why they were making paintings that looked ugly. It was a way for artists to find new patrons. Yes, artists have always had their work in order to eat. But now, power (and thus, money) has shifted from Monarchs and the Church over to wealthy private citizens. In order to justify their wealth (since they did not have God or the Divine Right of Kings on their side), the rich have sought to prove themselves to be sophisticated folk. And thus, putting 'challenging' work on their walls was the proof. At any rate, this smarty-pants approach to art making soon became the norm for all artists. And don't forget that Edgar came out of a visual art background. He got indoctrinated. So of course he's going to poo-poo the popularizers of electronic music. To be popular in art is to sell out and lose your edge. True modern artists must be hated and misunderstood in order to be though of as being good. In the end, don't listen to what the band says. Just listen to the music, and judge for yourself if it's successful. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean ____________________________ As of February 9, 1998: 35 McCaul Street, Suite 200 Toronto, ON Canada M5T 1V7 Phone: 416-971-7711 ____________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 8:29 pm Subject: Desert Vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: sypower@o... Hello all, I'm back! Fresh and recharged from a two week vacation in Southern California. Didn't get time to take a drive along the Pacific Coast Highway, alas. However: i. On the flights to and from LA the boarding video was a thing called Desert Visions. This was a Canyon Dreams-like affair from Miramar with incredibly TD-esque music. Does this have anything to do with TD? The music was sensational. ii. Saw a copy of Tangerine Ambience II. But I didn't buy a copy. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10314 Re: Desert Vision Jim Moore Mon 1/26/1998 3 KB 10322 Re: Desert Vision PENFOLD Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB 10368 Re: Desert Vision Michael Fox Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB 10406 Re: Desert Vision Aured Azhallein Rancuel Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 8:39 pm Subject: Re: Desert Vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' >I'm back! Fresh and recharged from a two week vacation in Southern >California. >Didn't get time to take a drive along the Pacific Coast Highway, alas. But you DID get some beach time in, didn't you? I spent some time around the Huntington Beach area in Dec. or 1996, and I found it really uncanny how well Franke's PCH fit the atmosphere of the general area (and the waves REALLY ARE PURPLE!). Also drove down Melrose, and found it to be just like I expected after hearing the song... Too bad I didn't have time to drive through Le Parc... - jimbo 'There's no shame in being a pariah...' -- Marge Simpson jimbo@v... is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 8:47 pm Subject: Re: 90's tdream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: 'willfred' > well........... > > let the flames rise higher and higher........... > > personally, i love ZEIT ( especially fricke's moog solo.....heavenly ) and > think the real period of interest ended with the LEGEND o.s.t. ( although > the rot started around the time of TANGRAM ). if one wants electropop, i > think kraftwerk, new order, et al. do it better. i understand the need for > change, but when the idea of progress iis just copying pop forms that you > once decried ( as edgar did ), then the argument just heads south. i think > money is a good motivator; i just wish edgar would stop all his > rationalizing his need for comfort and security ( i.e, the almighty dollar > ). this is just my hypocritical opinion though, so string me up > guys..................... > > oxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo, > bill2. > > willfred@g... As much as I couldn't help myself disagree with your comments, especially about Tangram--I catch myself mainly listening to two TD albums continuously: Oasis and Encore. I can't really explain why I like Encore.. somtimes it sounds like doodling guitar notes all over the place, and other times it's just masterful. Frankly, I like TD without the guitars like such albums as Tangram (which might have it for about minute) and Logos where most of it sounds like synth electric guitar in spots. I think Underwater Sunlight is the exception, but songs like Lamb With Radar Eyes, another one I can't remeber on GC.. are just terrible.. lost is the mellowness and softness that I love from the older stuff. When I listen to TD, I don't want to be blown away--as much as Edgar wants to get into the rock section of music stores with albums like Tournado, Goblin's Club, and Tyranny of Beauty, it's not happening with the genre people or me. Conceptually, in terms of composition, and in true showing of talent--the other stuff (IMO) is better, fresher, longer lasting, and less disposable than the new stuff.. and to reallie start a bonfire.. the old stuff has a reason for exsistence.. the newer stuff is just.. well... there.. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 9:17 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: DAVENTURA@a... > >Optical Race was composed completely on an Atari... Meaning what? An Atari doesn't sound, it's just a multitrack machine, just as an old multitrack-taperecorder. (well, that's how I use the Atari). If Optical Race was composed on a PC or Mac it still would be the same album. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10342 Re: 90's TD Paul Nagle Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: Tape Tree For Jerome's Show ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' Hey TaDreamers, Since we have had so much talk about organizing tape trees on the list, I would offer my services to organize the tree. I do feel it would be a good way to circulate rare items, etc. As I said I would be willing to organize the tree. I would participate in the taping wherever possible, but I admit I don't have any originals or would I have direct access to any of the originals. However, since it has been brought up numerous times on the list, I think it is time we got this started. I also feel we could get this started with Jerome's radio show that he is hosting. In the interest of sanity (for all who would like to participate) I would suggest we start off easy, like with the 50 mix of dance and bass favorites he entitles Turntable Mix. I think this would be an easy way to see if we could get this to work. I also think that cassettes would be the medium of choice. First, somebody we taped the show and has a high quality tape would have to be willing to share with everybody else. Second, I would need the names of people willing to participate and where they are located (region is sufficient, I would not need addresses at this point). Third, everybody would have to understand this is a trial run and would have to be patient with the process. Fourth, and most important, I do not get flamed or blamed when somebody does not hold up their part of the deal. Fifth, seperate trees would be developed for different regions of the world, country, etc. Let me know if there is any interest out there. If we have sufficient interest, I think we can make this a go. E-mail off list if you are interested and if you have any positive suggestions. If people think this truely cannot work then I will understand. I may be setting myself up for trying to organize a list of hundreds of people, but it is worth a shot. Give it some thought, Frank Stephen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10318 Re: Tape Tree For Jerome's Show DAVENTURA@a... Mon 1/26/1998 2 KB 10373 Re: Tape Tree For Jerome's Show Michael Fox Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB 10356 Re: Tape Tree For Jerome's Show TWeibre361 Tue 1/27/1998 2 KB 10358 Re: Tape Tree For Jerome's Show TWeibre361 Tue 1/27/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 10:48 pm Subject: Re: Tape Tree For Jerome's Show ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA@a... I must be ignorant...What is a tape tree? Is that like a Family Tree?...or an Apple tree?...Marmalade Skies and Tangerine Trees?...Somebody please clue me in..Why are we even discussing Tape anyway...tape is about to go away like the 8-Track and Long Playing Album....Sitting at my 24 track...wondering...David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10373 Re: Tape Tree For Jerome's Show Michael Fox Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 10:32 pm Subject: OFF: Windspell is having a SALE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' Note: No compensation for this post, just want to let you in on a good deal!!! Windspell Music is having a great sale on the existing stock of electronic music. New releases and stock catalog are US$14.98 each ($2 off) and selected items are as low as $10.98. Buy ten CD's and get Michael Garrisons' (Mr. Windspell hisself!) double live CD for free. Act NOW, as this offer expires this Friday at 5PM PST (Jan 30th). 1-800-597-9463 (597-WIND) This has been a public service announcement. You are welcome ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs@s... Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 11:25 pm Subject: Re: Infinite Horizons (Humor Enclosed) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sturminatr >Really-From: DJS >It's no wonder the shipping schedule is as flaky as it's creators. Which was why you fit in so well, Dan. Still scratching my scalp, B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 11:37 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA Album was produced on the Atari ST using Steinberg/Jones Software. It's just a fact. The Atari was not state of the art, at any time. Although the Steinberg Cubase software was tops back then. I had a better PC system in 88. It's just a fact... Don't really want to argue. I love Atari Video Games, especially Tempest. Which I can now play on my PC too. I'd love to hear from other home publishers and hobby electronic musicians....David From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 12:15 am Subject: Re: Desert Vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD At 15:39 9801.26 -0500, tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Jim Moore' >song... Too bad I didn't have time to drive through Le Parc... Where *exactly* is Le Parc? It doesn't show up in my Thomas Guide and I live in LA County slap my wrist Pete mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides on which instruments to take on the road. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 3:54 am Subject: Modern Day Kick Butt TD Song ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' >> >if there was a modern day kick butt TD song, I'd have to >> >go for 'Living in a Fountain Pen' as my fav. >I think Oasis is really good, you might disagree. 'Flashflood' on Oasis (or the even better live version on Tournado) will get my irrevocable vote. An excellent counterpart for 'Shadow Flyer' on Canyon Dreams. I always think if 'Flashflood' is made to a TV commercial for airline company, this will definitely beat Yanni's 'Aria' for British Airways. Or a combination of 'Streethawk' and 'Flashflood'?? Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10367 Modern Day Kick Butt TD Song Steven Feldman Tue 1/27/1998 4 KB 10390 Re: Modern Day Kick Butt TD Song Greg Heil Tue 1/27/1998 4 KB 10407 Re: Modern Day Kick Butt TD Song Greg Heil Wed 1/28/1998 5 KB 10415 Re: Modern Day Kick Butt TD Song Colin Knowles Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 3:37 am Subject: Re: Theissen Scale Skewed: It Doesn't Have *My* Vote! :( ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-01-27 13:33:09 EST, you write: << 1' votes for turkeys like OPTICAL RACE, LIVEMILES, and LEGEND - >> That low a vote for Livemiles, Steven? Whoa, son, that one's my favorite. Them's fightin' words hoss. 8-) I've said it before and I'll say it again: if my house were burning and I could save only one album, it would be Livemiles. Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10374 Theissen Scale Skewed: It Doesn't Have *My* Vote! Steven Feldman Tue 1/27/1998 5 KB 10379 Re: Theissen Scale Skewed: It Doesn't Have *My* V TangerineC Tue 1/27/1998 2 KB 10423 Re: Theissen Scale Skewed: It Doesn't Have *My* V Dennis Nigbur Wed 1/28/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 4:43 am Subject: comments on d:live list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers because of f-ing compuserve file-size limits, I'm posting some brief comments about the D:Live! discussion schedule in this post rather than with the actual list. Based on the comments of listmembers, the text of the revised/final D:Live! schedule follows. It incorporates chronologically both unreleased OST material and the unique singles/rarities yet to be discussed elsewhere. The incorporation of this other material is NOT meant to be a comprehensive listing of every variant or edit of every track released (eg: Hobo March has not been listed since this could have been addressed under Ages on the d:solo list or elsewhere...). OK, now Lawry will take over as D-MC (e-J?) lars BTW: so who's gonna run those tape trees? tom? perhaps we need to take a poll of potential participants... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10441 Re: comments on d:live list TWeibre361 Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB 10444 Re: comments on d:live list Francisco Salgado C. Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 4:43 am Subject: D:Live! final schedule ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> D:Live! final discussion schedule --------------------------------------------------------------------- Abbreviations and Format: Month.Day.Year City (Venue) Time (Medium of original source) Original sources: Au = audience; SB = soundboard; FM, TV = broadcast; Vid. = Video; Media (self-explanatory?): MC = cassette tape; LP -= vinyl; CD; CDR; Vid = video; LD (laser disc) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Phase I: The Highly Improvisational Years (1970-1981) Part A: The Ones & 'The Pink Years': 1967 & 1970 -1973 Week 1: All known dates 1967 & 1970-73: .67 The Ones: Lady Greengrass/Love of Mine Official Release: 1967 (Starclub 7') .70 Berlin (broadcast) 15 min (FM) .71 Ultima Thule Part 1/Part 2 Official Release: 1971 (Ohr 7') .71 Berlin (broadcast) (UT outtake) 9 min. (FM) 6.?.71 Ossiach (Welt-Musik Festival) 'Ozillator Planet Konzert' Official Release: Ossiach Live 3LP (BASF, 1971) Boots: Mystery Tracks I (CD), Rare Trax I CDR), Ossiach Live (CD) Tapes: 8 min. (Au) 6.19.71 Frankfurt (Frankfurt University) 45 min. (FM) .72/.73? Unknown location - live 35 min. (SB) .72 Berlin (RIAS FM) 'Klangcollage' show 20 min. (FM) 4.25.72 OST: Geradeaus bis zum Morgen 13 min. (TV) 11.25.72 Cologne (WDR-FM 'Klangwald') 45 min. (FM) 5.25.73 Ponts de Ce 84 min. (Au) 8.21.73 OST: Ein fuer alle mal 38 min. (TV) 11.29.73 Berlin (RIAS FM) 45 min. (FM) ------------------------------------------------------------------ I.B: 1974 Week 2: Miscellaneous 1974 Dates 'Oedipus Tyrannos' (incorporates 3 dates) Official release: Track 'Overture' on 'V' (Virgin compilation, 1975) -- excerpt Boots: Festival (8.18.74 Au) Tapes: 8.18.74 Chichester (Festival Theatre) 31 min. (Au) 8.22.74 London (BBC Studios) 23 min. (FM) 8.29.74 London (BBC Studios) 24 min. (FM); digitally enhanced MC/DAT/CDR version exists also 10.13.74 Berlin (Nationalgalerie) 55 min. (FM) Part 1: 'Metamusik Festival' (36 min.); Part 2: 'Conversations' (19 min.) 12.13.74 Reims (Cathedral) 85 min (Au) Boots: Live! Improvised! (2CD) Riems Cathedral (LP) Tapes: 65 min. (FM) Broadcast 27 min. (Au) (2nd source encores) 17 min. (FM) (Broadcast Interview & Encore) Week 3: 1974 UK Tour, all tapes 10.29.74 Sheffield (City Hall) Boots: TD 74-78 (MC) -- excerpt Tapes: 44min. (Au) 10.30.74 Birmingham (Town Hall) 90 min. (Au) 11.2.74 Liverpool (Liverpool Stadium) 90 min. (Au) 11.20.74 Glasgow (Kelvin Hall) 85 min. (Au) 11.26.74 Bradford (St. George's Hall) 51 min. (Au) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I.C 1975 Section 1: 1975 Australian tour & Misc. 1975 Dates Week 4: 1975 Australian Tour, all tapes & 4.2.75 London 3.13.75 Melbourne (Dallas Brooks Hall) 84 min. (Au) 3.25.75 Adelaide (Festival Hall) 87 min. (Au) 4.2.75 London (Royal Albert Hall) Boots: Coefficient of Aural Expansion I + II (CD+CDR) Absolutely Hypnotized -- excerpt Phaedream -- excerpt Concentrical Progression 2CDRs Tapes: 115 min. (FM) Week 5: Orange Festival & Reims 1975 8.16.75 Orange (Festival Pop d'Orange, Theatre Antique et Gymnase) Boots: Orange Festival (LP + 7') A Dream Unbound (LP + 7') Seekers of Dreams (LP + 7') Festival (MC) excerpt Oranges from France (CDR) Tapes: 59 min. (Au) 9.23.75 Reims (Opera House) 85 min. (Au) ------------------------------------------------ Section 3: 1975 UK Tour Week 6: 1975 UK Tour, Part 1 10.4.75 Coventry (Cathedral) 96 min. (Au) 10.5.75 Bristol (Colston Hall) 70 min. (Au) 10.12.75 Birmingham (Town Hall) 109 min. (Au) 10.16.75 Liverpool (Cathedral) 100 min (Au) Week 7: 1975 UK Tour, Part 2 10.17.75 Glasgow (City Hall) 85 min. (Au) 10.20.75 York (Minster) 84 min (Au) 10.22.75 London (Olympia) 31 min. (Au) 10.23.75 Croyden (Fairfield Hall) 63 min. (Au) ------------------------------------------------------------- I.D: 1976 Section I: Miscellaneous 1976 Dates Week 8: Miscellaneous 1976 Dates, part 1 .76 unknown concert 33 min. (Au) 1.23.76 Paris (Palais du Sport) 107 min. (Au) 2.9.76 Brussels (Jansen University) Boots: Danger Live [Pt. 1] (CD) Danger Live Pt. 2 (CDR) Tapes: 109 min (Au) 2.11.76 Amsterdam RAI Congresscentrum 91 min. (Au) Week 9: Miscellaneous 1976 Dates, part 2 5.23.76 Germany (broadcast) 45 min. (TV) 6.5.76 Manchester (Free Trade Hall) 112 min. (Au) 6.7.76 London (Royal Albert Hall) Boots: Three Tier Dream (3CDs) CD1 Tapes: 103 min (Au) 6.10.76 Brighton (The Dome) 85 min. (Au) 6.27.76 Berlin (Philharmonic, SFB-Radio) Boots: Danger Live Pt. (2CDR) The Dream Is Not Always The Same (CDR) Tapes: 33 min. (FM) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Section 2: 1976 European Tour Official Release: Ricochet (excerpts various concerts) Week 10: 1976 European Tour, part 1 10.20.76 Hannover (Stadthalle) 107min. (Au) 11.8.76 Nottingham (Usher Hall) 90 min. (Au) Boots: Me-Rad (part 1) Collected Endings CD (Part 2) 11.13.76 Leeds (University) 110 min. (Au) 11.16.76 Brussels (L'Ancienne Belgigue) Boots: Danger Live Pt. (2CDR) -- excerpt Tapes: 91 min. (Au) 10.21.76 Dusseldorf (Philipshalle) 74 min (Au) 10.27.76 Munich (Circus Krone Bau) 91 min. (Au) Week 11: 1976 European Tour, part 2 11.3.76 Edinburgh (Odeon) ) 83 min. (Au) 11.9.76 Portsmouth (Guild Hall) 90 min. (Au) 11.14.76 Croydon (Fairfield Hall) 75 min. (Au) 11.15.76 Manchester (Free Trade Center) 58 min. (Au) 11.22.76 Paris (Palais du Sport) 109 min (Au) 11.28.76 Toulouse (Centre Culturel) 89 min. (Au) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I.E: 1977 North American Tour (Stratosfear) Official Release: Encore (excerpts: Washington DC, Santa Monica, .....) Week 12: 1977 North American Tour, part 1 3.29.77 Milwaukee (Riverside Theatre) 80 min. (Au) 3.31.77 Detroit (Ford Auditorium) Boots: Acoustic LSD (CD) Emerald Beyond (LP); Edison's Last Playoff? (LP) Tapes: 103 min. (Au) 4.2.77 Cleveland (Music Hall) Boot: US Tour 1977 (2LP) Tapes: 82min (Au) 4.4.77 Washington DC (Lisner Auditorium) Boot: (rumored) Tapes: 1st source 110 min. (FM) 2nd source 101 min. (FM) 4.5.77 New York (Avery Fisher Hall) 130 minutes (Au) Week 13: 1977 North American Tour, part 2 + 1977 Misc 4.10.77 Montreal (Place des Arts & CHOM-FM) Boots: Patrolling Space Borders Laserium Transformations -- excerpt Tangerine Dream Live-at the Place des Arts Tapes: 109 min. (FM) 4.11.77 Quebec City (Hilton Convention Center) 97 min. (Au) 4.21.77 Seattle (Paramount Theater) Boots: Babylon's Strange Netz-Lautstarke Babylon's Sequenced Fotzenslecker Tapes: 88 min. (Au) 4.26.77 Santa Monica (Santa Monica Civic Auditorium) 109 min. (Au) 7.12.77 Los Angeles (Greek Theatre) 91 min. (Au) 8.4.77 (?) Toronto (Convocation Hall) 91 min. (Au) --> 1977 Misc. .77 OST: Pauline et l'ordinateur 10 min. (Vid) MC/7- ------------------------------------------------------------------- I.F: 1978 European Tour (Cyclone) Week 14: 1978 Tour; all dates 2.19.78 Berlin (Eissporthalle) Boots: Don't Walk, Dream Now (2LP) [2CDR? rumored] Tapes: 135 min. (Au) 2.24.78 Hamburg (Audimax) Boots: TD 74-78 (MC) -- excerpt Tapes: 45 min. (Au) 2.25.78 Dusseldorf (Philipshalle) 90 min. (Au) 3.1.78 Nantes (Palais de la Beaujoire) 120 min. (Au) 3.12.78 Valencia (Pabellon Deportiro Marcol) 35 min. (Au) 3.13.78 Barcelona (Nueva Pabellon de Barcelona) 50 min. (Au) 3.23.78 Newcastle (City Hall) 80 min. (Au) 3.24.78 Glasgow (Apollo City Hall) 113min. (Au) 3.25.78 Manchester (Apollo City Hall) 60 min (Au) 3.26.78 Liverpool (Empire) 110 min. (Au) 3.28.78 London (Hammersmith Odeon) 100 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- I.G: 1980 Section 1 East Berlin Week 15: 1.31.80 E. Berlin (Palast der Republik) afternoon + evening shows Official releases: Quichotte Pergamon Boots: Staatgrenze West (LP) White Cloths (2MC) The Dream Is Not Always The Same (CDR) -- excerpt Beyond the Wall (CDR) [NB: Don Quixote (LP) is a pirate] Tapes: Afternoon show 71 min (FM + Au?) Evening show 100 min (FM) ------------------------------------------ Section 2: 1980 European tour Week 16: 1980 European Tour Dates, Part 1 10.13.80 Brussels (Cirque Royale) Boots: Nostrasgram (CDR) Tapes: 120 min. (Au) 10.15.80 Dusseldorf (Philipshalle) 107 min. (Au) 10.16.80 Hamburg (Congress Center) 110 min. (Au) 10.17.80 Luxembourg (Centre Sportif) 46 min. (Au) 10.20.80 Unknown venue 86 min. (Au) 10.23.80 Bologna (Palasport) 110 min. (Au) 11.1.80 Dublin (National Stadium) 110 min. (Au) 11.2.80 Newcastle (City Hall) 113 min. (Au) 11.5.80 Preston (Guild Hall) Boots: Soundtrack for Fantasy (CD) Undulation (LP) Space Trucking (LP) Tapes: 116 min. (Au) Week 17: 1980 European Tour Dates, Part 2 & 2 US Concerts 11.6.80 Derby (Assembly Rooms) 108 min. (Au) 11.7.80 Birmingham (Odeon) 112 min. (Au) 11.8.80 Manchester (Apollo) 90 min. (Au) 11.9.80 London (Victoria Apollo) 109 min. (Au) 11.10.80 London (Victoria Apollo) 110 min. (Au) 11.12.80 Oxford (New Theatre) 106 min. (Au) 11.15.80 Liverpool (Royal Court) 110 min. (Au) 11.20.80 San Francisco (Warfield Theater) 37 min. (Au-->FM) 11.22.80 Santa Monica (Santa Monica Civic Auditorium) 105 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- I.H: 1981 Section 1: 1981 European Tour Week 18: 1981 European Tour, Part 1 1.21.81 Aachen (Eurogress) 114min. (Au) 1.24.81 Hannover (Eilenriedehalle) 105 min. (Au) 1.26.81 Berlin (Internationales Congress Centrum) Boots: (Event Horizon) Tapes: 110 min. (Au) 1.30.81 Frankfurt (Jahrhunderthalle) 110 min. (Au) 2.2.81 Paris (Bataclan Palace) 110 min. (Au) Week 19: 1981 European Tour, part 2 (Italian shows) 2.6.81 Rome (Palasport) 86 min. (Au) 2.7.81 Cantu (Palasport Piarelli) Boots: Absolutely Hypnotized - excerpt Fragments? - excerpt Tapes: 105 min. (Au) 2.??.81 Cucciago (?) 84 min. (Au) 2.8.81 Florence (Apollo Theatre) 105 min. (Au) 1st show 2.8.81 Florence (Apollo Theatre) 112 min. (Au) 2nd Show 5.??.81 Rome (RAI-1) 28 min. (TV) ----------------------------------------- Section 2: 1981 UK Tour (Exit) Week 20: 1981 UK Tour, part 1 10.??.81 Two sound checks from UK tour 46 min. (Au) 10.15.81 Oxford (New Theatre) 109 min. (Au) 10.16.81 Portsmouth (Guild Hall) 90 min. (Au) 10.17.81 Brighton (Brighton Dome) 90 min. (Au) 10.20.81 London (Hammersmith Odeon) Boots: Three Tier Dream (3CDs) CD2 Tapes: 111min. (Au) 10.22.81 Sheffield (City Hall) 88 min. (Au) Week 21: 1981 UK Tour, part 2 10.24.81 Manchester (Apollo Theatre) 112 min. (Au) 10.25.81 Newcastle (City Hall) Boots: Dreamtime (CDR) Space & Spheres (LP) Space Trucking (LP) Tapes: 110 min. (Au) 10.26.81 Edinburgh (Usher Hall) 112 min. (Au) 10.27.81 Glasgow (Apollo City Hall) 90 min. (Au) 10.28.81 Preston (Guild Hall) 119 min. (Au) 10.29.81 Liverpool (Royal Court) 114 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Section 3: Misc 1981 dates Week 22: .81 OST: Strange Behavior 41 min. (TV) 8.29.81 Berlin (Platz der Republik) Boots: Tangerine Dream Live (MC) Tapes: 102 min (Au) 11.11.81 Gelsenkirchen (WDR-FM) 24 min. (FM) 12.9.81 Munich (Circus Krone 'Klassic-Rock-Nacht') 31 min. (TV) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ Phase II, Increasing Standardization of Tour Programs Part A: 1982 Section 1: Australian Tour Week 23: All dates from 1982 Australian Tour (White Eagle) 2.22.82 Sydney (Regent Theatre) Boots: Leprous Appearance on a Wednesday (LP) Dreaming (CD) Outback Voices (CDR) Tapes: 120 min. (FM) 3.1.82 Melbourne (Dallas Brooks Hall) Boots: Raetikon CD Tapes: 70 min. (Au) -------------------------------------------------------------- Section 2: Logotypes & 1982 Misc Material Week 24: .82 Berlin (Polygon Studios?) or 11.15.82 Berlin (International Congress Centrum? ) Boots: Logostypes (CDR) Tapes: 85 min. (studio master tape) .82 OST: Tatort: Das Maedchen auf der Treppe (Virgin 7' & 12') .82 OST: [Codename] The Soldier (Vid) .82 OST: Von Richern & Sympathisanten 5 min. (Vid) --------------------------------------------- Section 3: European tour (White Eagle) Week 25: 1982 European Tour, part 1 10.17.82 Vienna (Kurhalle Oberlaa-- Konzerthaus) 104 min. (Au) 10.19.82 Budapest (Sports Hall) 84 min. (Au) 1st show 10.19.82 Budapest (Sports Hall) 84 min. (Au) 2nd show 10.27.82 Frankfurt (Alte Oper) 105 min. (Au) 10.??.82 Unknown (UK?); 90 min. (SB) 10.29.82 Glasgow (Apollo City Hall) 92 min. (Au) 10.30.82 Derby (Assembly Rooms) 138 min. (Au) 10.31.82 Croyden (Fairfield Hall) 104 min. (Au) 11.1.82 Manchester (Apollo Theatre) 110 min. (Au) 11.2.82 Bristol (Colston Hall) 90 min. (Au) Week 26: 1982 European Tour, part 2 11.3.82 Oxford (Apollo City Hall) 103 min. (Au) 11.4.82 Sheffield (City Hall) 111 min. (Au) 11.5.82 Birmingham (Town Hall) 135min. (Au) 11.6.82 London (Dominion) Official release: Logos Tapes: 118 min. (Au) sound check 45 min. (Au) 11.8.82 Brussels (Vrije University) 108 min. (Au) 11.10.82 Mannheim (Rosengarten) 89min. (Au) 11.11.82 Dusseldorf (Phillipshalle) 110 min. (Au) 11.12.82 Munich (Circus Krone Bau) 111 min. (Au) 11.15.82 Berlin (Internationales Congres Centrum) Boots: The Dream Is Not Always The Same (CDR) -- excerpt Tapes: 110 min. (Au) 11.19.82 Budapest (Sportcsarnok) 44 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- II.B 1983-1985 Week 27: Fassbinder Homage & 1983 Japanese tour 6.11.83 Frankfurt (Alte Oper) R.W. Fassbinder Memorial Concert Boots: Fassbinder Homage EP (30 min.) Tapes 36 min (Au) 6.23.83 Tokyo (Kohseinenkin Hall) 109 min. (Au) 6.25.83 Tokyo (Nakano Sun Plaza Hall) 104 min. (Au) 6.28.83 Osaka (Festival Hall) 110 min. (Au) Week 28: 1983: Dresden, Warsaw, & Athens 11.26.83 Dresden (Hygienemuseum, Kongress Saal) 115 min. (Au) 12.10.83 Warsaw (Ice Stadium) 12.10.83 Warsaw (Ice Stadium) Official release: Poland 2LP Tapes: 86 min. (Au) 1st show 90 min. (FM) 2nd show 6.??.84 Athens (Lycabettus Theater) 91min. (TV) Week 29: Misc. Material 1983-86 .83 OST:Tatort: Miriam (Daydream/Moorland, Virgin 7') .83 OST: Heisser Schnee / Niege Brulante 3 min. (Vid) .83 OST: The Keep (unofficial releases & alternate end-title only) .84 OST: Streethawk 150 min. (Vid) .84 OST: Vision Quest / Crazy for You 17 min. (unreleased material from session/demo tape) .85 OST: Forbidden 26 min. (Vid) .85 OST: Legend (unreleased material) (FM) .85 OST: Red Heat 20 min. (Vid) .86 Horns of Doom (KLEM MC) .86 OST: Zoning (*original* soundtrack music only) 22 min. (Vid) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- II.C 1986 Section 1, European tour Week 30: 1986 European Tour 3.9.86 Leicester (De Montford Hall) 93 min. (Au) 3.10.86 Sheffield (City Hall) 110 min. (Au) 3.11.86 Newcastle (City Hall) 98 min. (Au) 3.12.86 Edinburgh (Playhouse) 122 min. (Au) 3.13.86 Preston (Guild Hall) 107 min. (Au) 3.14.86 Manchester (Apollo Theatre) 114 min. (Au) 3.16.86 Croyden (Fairfield Hall) 112 min. (Au) 3.17.86 Birmingham (Odeon) 110 min. (FM) 3.18.86 Hanley (Victoria Hall) 110 min. (Au) 3.19.86 Liverpool (Royal Court) 106 min. (Au) 3.20.86 Bradford (Saint Georges Hall) 120 min. (Au) 3.21.86 Harrogate (The Centre) 110min (Au) 3.22.86 Nottingham (Royal Court Hall) 111 min. (Au) 3.23.86 Lincoln (Ritz Theatre) 101 min. (Au) 3.24.86 Brighton (The Dome) 105 min. (Au) 3.26.86 Oxford (Apollo Theatre) 107 min. (Au) Week 31: The Boots: London, Cologne, & Paris 3.27.86 London (Hammersmith Odeon) Boots: The Nameless is the Origin (LP) Timeless Space (2LP) Tapes: 105 min. (Au) 3.29.86 Cologne (Sendesaal & WDR-FM 'Nachtmusic') Boots: Relativity (LP) Nachtmusik (CDR) Tapes: 103 min. (FM) 3.31.86 Paris (Olympique) Boots: Parisian Dreams (LP) Parisian Dreams Too (LP) Technikon (LP) 3 Tier Dream (part 1) (CD) 3 Tier Dream On (part 2) (CD) Paris Edge (CDR) Tapes: 76 min. (FM) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 2, 1986 North American Tour Week 32: 1986 North American Tour 5.30.86 Vancouver BC (Expo '86 Open Air Theatre) 105 min. (Au) 5.31.86 Seattle (Paramount Theatre) 120 min. (Au) 6.1.86 Portland (Arlene Schnitzler Auditorium) 111 min. (Au) 6.??.86 Unknown location 60 min. (Au) 'mystery concert' 6.3.86 San Francisco (Warfield Theater) 103 min. (Au) 6.5.86 Los Angeles (Universal City Ampitheatre) Boots: Alien Air Music (CDR) excerpt only Tapes: 112 min. (Au) 6.7.86 Mesa (Mesa Amphitheatre) 5 min. (SB) Boots: Alien Air Music (CDR) excerpt only 6.11.86 Denver (Paramount Theater) 90min (Au) 6.13.86 Kansas City (Bonner Springs Sandstone Ampitheatre) 109 min. (Vid) 6.15.86 Chicago (Riviera Theater) 84 min (Au) 6.17.86 Milwaukee (Oriental Theater) 105 min. (Au) 6.19.86 Montreal (Place des Arts) 111 min. (Au) 6.20.86 Ottawa (National Arts Center) 111 min. (Au) 6.21.86 Toronto (Massey Hall) Boots: Undercover Dreams 2LP Undercover Dreams (MC) Tapes: 117 min. (Au) 6.23.86 Rochester (Meadowbrooks Music Festival) 113 min. (Au) 6.24.86 Cleveland (Music Hall) 100 min. (Au) 6.25.86 Philadelphia (Tower Theater) 104 min. (Au) 6.26.86 Boston (Orpheum Theater) 90 min (Au) 6.27.86 Providence (Performing Arts Center) 110 min. 6.28.86 New York (The Beacon Theater) 120 min. (Au) 6.29.86 Washington DC (Warner Theater) 120 min. (Au) Week 33: Sonambulistic Imagery & Live Miles 6.6.86 Irvine / Laguna Hills (Irvine Meadows Ampitheater) Boots: Sonambulistic Imagery (2CD) Tapes: 109 min (Au) 6.8.86 Albuquerque (Kiva Convention Center) Official Release (ha!): Live Miles Boots: Alien Air Music (CDR) excerpt only Tapes: 106 min. (Au) MC --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- II.D 1987 Week 34: Misc. Material .87 A Time for Heroes (Orpheum 12' & CD5) .87 OST: Canyon Dreams (session tape) 90 min. (SB) .87 OST: City of Shadows / Nightmare City 69 min. (TV) .87 OST: Game of Love/Tonight's the Night 17 min. (TV) .87 OST: Red Nights 44 min. (Vid) Week 35: The Berlin Show 8.1.87 Berlin (Reichstag) (rebroadcasts+interviews: 8.23.87 & 10.22.87) Official release: Live Miles Boots: Anarktis (CD) part 1 20th Century Seranades (CD) part 2 Tapes: 138 min (FM transcription tapes?) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Phase III; The DAT Years (low variability of tour program, little or no improvisation) Part A: 1988 North American Tour (Optical Race) Week 36: 1988 N. American Tour, all dates 8-9.??.88 unknown location 5 min. (SB) 'House of the Rising Sun' Boots: Alien Air Music (CDR) Live in the USA 7' 8.25.88 Chicago (Hoffman Estates Poplar Creek Music Theater) 110 min. (Au) 8.26.88 Milwaukee (Riverside Theater) 110min. (Au) 8.28.88 Columbus (Ohio Theater) Boots: Ardem-O CD (parts 1-2) Collected Endings (part 3) Tapes: 97 min. (Au) 8.30.88 Cleveland (Nautica Stage) 110 min. (Au) 8.31.88 Detroit (Pine Knob Theatre) 106 min. (Au) 9.1.88 Toronto (Massey Hall) 122 min. (Au) 9.2.88 Montreal (La Ronde) 105 min. (Au) 9.3.88 Quebec City (L'Agora) 110 min. (Au) 9.6.88 Boston (Somerville Theater) 109 min. (Au) (NOT spherical harmonics) 9.7.88 New York (Radio City Music Hall) Boots: Sounds & Effects (excerpt) Tapes: 113 min. (Au) 9.8.88 Washington DC (Kennedy Center) 120 min. (Au) 9.9.88 New Haven (Palace Center) (not Boston ;-) Boots: Spherical Harmonics 1 + 2 Tapes: 115 min. (SB?) 9.10.88 Philadelphia (Tower Theater) 116 min. (Au) 9.14.88 Sarasota (Van Wezel Audiotorium) 94 min. (Au) 9.15.88 Miami (Cameo Theater) 91 min. (Au) 9.16.88 New Orleans (McAlistair Auditorium) 110 min. (Au) 9.18.88 Dallas (Starplex Amphitheater) 115 min. (Au) 9.21.88 San Diego (Auditorium) 110 min. (Au) 9.22.88 Los Angeles (Wiltern Theater) 110 min. (Au) 9.23.88 Los Angeles (Wiltern Theater) 110 min. (Au) 9.24.88 Berkeley (Berkeley Community Theater) 105 min. (Au) 9.27.88 Seattle (Paramount Theatre) 120 min. (Au) 9.28.88 Vancouver (Queen Elizabeth Hall) 113 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- III.B 1989-1991 Misc. Material Section 1: Misc. & The 1990 Berlin Show Week 37: 3.??.89 House of the Rising Sun (Reflex single) .89 Lost Tale (KLEM CD) 2.23.89 Germany (Schwingungen) 90 min. (FM) .90 OST: Rainbow Drive 21 min (Vid) 2.20.90 Berlin (Werner-Seelenbinder Halle) 106 min. (FM) .91 OST: Metropole Berlin 19 min. (TV) ----------------------------------------------------- Section 2: 1990 UK Tour (Melrose) Week 38: 1990 UK Tour, all dates 10.25.90 Worthing (Assembly Hall) 117 min. (Au) 10.26.90 London (Hammersmith Odeon) 118 min. (Au) 10.27.90 London (Hammersmith Odeon) 104 min (Au) 10.28.90 Manchester (Apollo Theatre) 122 min. (Au) 10.29.90 Nottingham (Royal Center) 110 min. (Au) 10.30.90 Sheffield (City Hall) 100 min. (Au) 10.31.90 Edinburgh (Playhouse) 70 min. (Au) 11.2.90 Bradford (St. George's Hall) 115 min. (Au) 11.3.90 Wolverhampton (Civic Hall) 119 min. (Au) 11.4.90 Oxford (Apollo City Hall) 84 min. (Au) 11.6.90 Bristol (Colston Hall) Boots: Bicycle Race (LP) 'Singet denn ...' (LP) In den Gaerten Pharaos CD (aka: Pharaos Garden, Realm of Nightmares) Antarktis (CD) -- excerpt Persistence of Vision (3CDR) -- excerpt Tapes: 110 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- III.C 1992 N. American Tour (Rockoon) Official Releases: 220 Volt Live (CD) Dreamtime (CD5) 3 Phase (Vid/LD) Week 39: 1992 North American Tour, all dates 1992 N. American Tour (unknown venue) 16 min. (Au) Boots: Prayer of Quiet Dreams -- excerpts 10.4.92 Toronto (Music Hall) 60 min. (Au) Boots: Dreaming on Danforth Avenue CD 10.5.92 Montreal (Salle Wilfrid-Pelletier / Place des Arts) 120 min. (Au) 10.8.92 Boston (Berklee Performing Arts Center) 135 min. (Au) 10.9.92 New York (The Beacon Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.10.92 Philadelphia (Tower Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.13.92 Washington DC (Lisner Auditorium) 125 min. (Au) 10.14.92 Columbus (Palace Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.15.92 Baltimore (Shriver Hall) 120 min. (TV) 10.16.92 Highland Heights, Ohio (Front Row Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.17.92 Chicago (Old Vic Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.20.92 Detroit (Fox Theatre) 120 min. (TV) 10.28.92 San Juan Capistrano (Coach House) 120 min. (Au) 10.30.92 Los Angeles (Wiltern Theatre) 116 min. (TV) 11.01.92 Ventura (Ventura Theater) Boots: 1992 North American Tour 2CDR Tapes: 120 min. (Au) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- III.D 1995 Week 40: 7.12.95 Los Angeles (SIR Theatre) 'Xsess Living Magazine' premiere (CDR) Boots: The Miramar Years (CDR) Tapes: 45 min. (Au + Vid) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- III.E 1996 Week 41: 11.30.96 London (Shepherd's Bush Empire Theatre) Boots: Persistence of Vision (3CDR) Tapes: 35 min. (Au) (soundcheck) 153 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- III.F 1997 Section 1 1997 European Tour & Boots Week 42: All 1997 Continental European Tour Dates ?? 4.9.97 Vienna (Museumsquartier) 140 min. (Au) ?? 4.10.97 Stuttgart (Philharmonie) 140 min. (Au) 4.11.97 Bonn (Beethovenhalle) Boots: (rumored) Tapes 135 min. (Au) 4.12.97 Munich (Circus Krone Bau) 140 min. (Au) 4.13.97 Erlangen (Stadthalle) 140 min. (Au) 4.15.97 Hamburg (Musikhalle) 140 min. (Au) 4.16.97 Berlin (Hochschule der Kuenste) 170 min. (Au) 4.17.97 Hannover (Musikhalle) 140 min. (Au) 4.18.97 Frankfurt/Neu-Isenberg (Hugenottenhalle) Boots: Goblins Live Club Box Tapes: 150 min (Au + Vid) 4.19.97 Brussels (Ancienne Belgique) 140 min. (Au+Vid.) 4.20.97 Amsterdam (Melkweg Max) Boots: A'dam Eve (2CDR) Tapes: 143 min. (Au) ?4.22.97 Budapest (Petofi Csarnok) 4.23.97 Zabrze (Dom Muziki I Tanca) 60 min (SB) Official release: Tournado (CD) ??4.24.97 Prague (Sky Club) 6.13.97 Warsaw (Ice Stadium) 60 min. (FM) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Section 2: 1997 UK Tour Week 43: All 1997 UK Tour Dates 10.29.97 Bristol (Colston Hall) 140 min. (Au) 10.31.97 Nottingham (Usher Hall) 140 min. (Au) 11.1.97 Glasgow (Royal Concert Hall) 140 min. (Au) 11.2.97 Leeds (Town and Country Club) 140 min. (Au) 11.3.97 Birmingham (Symphony Hall) 140 min. (Au) 11.4.97 Manchester (Apollo Theatre) 140 min. (Au) 11.6.97 London (Shepherd's Bush Empire) 140 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- III.G 1998 North American Tour Week 44: All 1998 North American Tour Dates [3.27.98 New York (Irving Plaza)] [3.28.98 Washington DC (9:30 Club??)] [4.1.98 Los Angeles (The Palace)] [4.3.98 San Francisco (Maritime Hall)] Week 45: Addendum Any material remaining to be discussed or any additional 1998 tours ... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10403 D:Live! final schedule Lars R. Jones Wed 1/28/1998 33 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 3:03 am Subject: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Just this guy who is pretty cool..' Hi, i was wondering if someone could identify the keyboards/synthesizers/samplers/rhythm machines/ etc., on the album Optical Race. That would be pretty cool. Thank you. Oh yeah, also, if you could tell me what they are, that will be even better : - ) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10329 Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? Elias Granillo, Jr. Tue 1/27/1998 4 KB 10333 Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? Greg Heil Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB 10376 Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? Sean Montgomery Tue 1/27/1998 4 KB 10334 Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? Greg Heil Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB 10338 Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? Elias Granillo, Jr. Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB 10339 Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? Greg Heil Tue 1/27/1998 4 KB 10381 Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? Jim Moore Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB 10386 Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? Sean Montgomery Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB 10383 Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? Plumer, Scott Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 3:28 am Subject: Re: Ambient Monkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Phil PDX In a message dated 98-01-24 10:44:26 EST, you write: << Listening to the recent TD outputs 'The Keep', 'Time Square' and 'Ambient Monkeys',. I consider 'A.M.' the most brilliant of the said records, and the best since Oasis, IMHO. >> Wow, the best since Oasis? That long ago? :-)))))) Seriously, thanks for the feedback. Sounds like I gotta get that one, people keep saying good things about it. Phil Derby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 3:46 am Subject: Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Just this guy who is pretty cool..' > > Hi, i was wondering if someone could identify the > keyboards/synthesizers/samplers/rhythm machines/ > etc., on the album Optical Race. That would be pretty > cool. Thank you. Well, well, guess what I have handy: the 11/88 issue of Music Technology with TD on the cover, and the 11/88 Keyboard magazine issue, with an outstanding TD feature interview! (Some good pix, too) Here's a quote (from the Keyboard interview): *What instruments are you playing live?* HASLINGER [talking about their tour gear]: For the master keyboard, everybody has his own preference. Edgar plays a Roland RD-1000, Ralf plays a Yamaha KX88, and I play an old Roland MKB-300...For sound devices, we use the Emax {synth} with the hard disk. It's just so practical. We're also using a couple of Akai S900s {samplers}. Edgar and Ralf use the Roland S-550 {Sampler}. Then we have the usual stuff, the {Yamaha} TX816 {synth}, the {Roland} D-550 and D-110 {synths}, and the Oberheim Matrix. Oh, yeah, heh heh, here's my fave quote(s) from the Music Technology interview: (FROESE) 'Kraftwerk did a lot of damage to the philosophy of electronic music...Kraftwerk's music made it hard for us to do our work. There were three or four years in the mid-Eighties when it was difficult for people to understand that robotic sounds weren't the only music you could make with computers.' Yes!!!! Remember those, Dan? E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 5:08 am Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Really-From: DAVENTURA@a... > > >Optical Race was composed completely on an Atari... > The ATARI ST series were such great computers for their time. Far superior to Macintosh, Amiga, or the pathetic IBM XT/AT (I used to use and sell all of these during the late 80's). Too bad the marketing team at ATARI were such a bunch of idiots. TD knew what they were doing when they chose those machines to help compose/sequence on. They were also used on LIVEMILES (look closely at the cover photo and you can see them in use there). True, the ATARI doesn't 'sound', nor does any computer, but it's architecture was very well designed for the music/sequencing industry. I use an IBM 200 mhz now, only because it has unfortunately become the industry standard. Our loss! (my opinion of course). _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 4:12 am Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Potted plant..' uhhhh... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 4:50 am Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hanson Family > The ATARI ST series were such great computers for their time. Far > superior to Macintosh, Amiga, or the pathetic IBM XT/AT (I used to use > and sell all of these during the late 80's). Too bad the marketing team > at ATARI were such a bunch of idiots. Glad to know there are still some loyal Atari fans. Right here, to the left of my suck- butt Pentium, sits and Atari Mega STe. Oh, the good ol' days. I use Cubase (MIDI composition and notation) on the Atari every single day. Thanks for caring, doug From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 5:02 am Subject: Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Oh, yeah, heh heh, here's my fave quote(s) from the Music Technology > interview: > (FROESE) 'Kraftwerk did a lot of damage to the philosophy of electronic > music...Kraftwerk's music made it hard for us to do our work. There were > three or four years in the mid-Eighties when it was difficult for people to > understand that robotic sounds weren't the only music you could make with > computers.' > > Yes!!!! Remember those, Dan? > > E-Man > Hey E-man.. I'm sending that quote to the Kraftwerk list.. maybe we can start an intercontinental list war :) Edgar has a point though, and even though I enjoy the Kraftwerk stuff--I can see why the robot paradigm is still hanging tough. Its commercial success also indicates a destined commercial crash. Now, as I see it, Kraftwerk is decidedly taken the current dance craze, the current unreleased stuff from a 97 concert tour indicate the same old robots with the ole Kling Klang stuff to boot. Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10376 Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? Sean Montgomery Tue 1/27/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 5:06 am Subject: Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' I would just like to hear some comments as being on the Tangerine Dream mailing list, some Kraftwerk stuff pops up every now and then. This is TD's life long influence and composer Edgar Frose: > (FROESE) 'Kraftwerk did a lot of damage to the philosophy of electronic > music...Kraftwerk's music made it hard for us to do our work. There were > three or four years in the mid-Eighties when it was difficult for people to > understand that robotic sounds weren't the only music you could make with > computers.' It seems to indicate the commercial sucess and influence of the Kraftwerk sound. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 6:38 am Subject: Beyond the horizon...is it worth it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > >It's no wonder the shipping schedule is as flaky as it's creators. > > Which was why you fit in so well, Dan. > > Still scratching my scalp, > B. Kirby Well let's be accurate. Actually, I DIDN'T fit in..which was why I left the company of BTH. You guys made a valiant effort and in the beginning you did well. I do not, however like to deal with flaky people, period. Calls were never returned, trades were promised and not made. Heck, how often do any of you contribute anything to THIS list? Basically getting something rare from the 'posse' was like pulling teeth. Mr editor & friends always had to be captain power with all of their rare TD releases & trinkets. Greed, flakiness...ug. Certain 'members' of your posse were considerably flaky when it came to trading and information...and not with just myself. I am not a flaky guy as you have insinuated. When it comes to shipping, favors, etc, etc you can COUNT on me to come through unless something of a biblical nature stops me. I've only stated my opinion. I'm sure you have many happy subscribers....when they finally get what they pay for, that is. Regards, Dan (asbestos suit on as the legendary Filipak would say) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 6:47 am Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Hanson Family > > > The ATARI ST series were such great computers for their time. Far > > superior to Macintosh, Amiga, or the pathetic IBM XT/AT (I used to use > > and sell all of these during the late 80's). Too bad the marketing team > > at ATARI were such a bunch of idiots. > > Glad to know there are still some loyal Atari fans. Right here, to the left of my > suck- > butt Pentium, sits and Atari Mega STe. Oh, the good ol' days. I use Cubase (MIDI > > composition and notation) on the Atari every single day. > > Thanks for caring, > doug Hey, congrats on your kids best selling album! Mmmbop! Heh heh. So what's the deal with Atari anyway? They made some of the greatest programs and games. Are they still producing synth-based software & soforth? regards, Dan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 6:23 am Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: DJS > > > Really-From: Hanson Family > > Hey, congrats on your kids best selling album! Mmmbop! Heh heh. So > > Dan haha...LMAO....did anybody catch the Hanson vs. Spice Girls clay-mation wrestling match on MTV...it was priceless...haha...the two older brothers ripped Baby Spice in half...it was great! E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 6:31 am Subject: Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > Oh, yeah, heh heh, here's my fave quote(s) from the Music Technology > > interview: > > (FROESE) 'Kraftwerk did a lot of damage to the philosophy of electronic > > music...Kraftwerk's music made it hard for us to do our work. There were > > three or four years in the mid-Eighties when it was difficult for people > to > > understand that robotic sounds weren't the only music you could make with > > computers.' > > Hey E-man.. I'm sending that quote to the Kraftwerk list.. maybe we can > start an intercontinental list war :) Do it, Greg! Now *this* may make an interesting thread.... E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 7:05 am Subject: Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > > > > > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > > > Oh, yeah, heh heh, here's my fave quote(s) from the Music Technology > > > interview: > > > (FROESE) 'Kraftwerk did a lot of damage to the philosophy of electronic > > > music...Kraftwerk's music made it hard for us to do our work. There > were > > > three or four years in the mid-Eighties when it was difficult for > people > > to > > > understand that robotic sounds weren't the only music you could make > with > > > computers.' > > > > Hey E-man.. I'm sending that quote to the Kraftwerk list.. maybe we can > > start an intercontinental list war :) > > Do it, Greg! Now *this* may make an interesting thread.... > > E-Man I sent what I sent them, to this list too.. don't worry, your name isn't on it.. so your arms and legs are safe from robotic implants! :) I think it's important since Kraftwerk has been getting so much of the recognition.. and it was my thinking that this whole computerized sound that they employed and copied by other artists eventually got massively rejected (what was rejected was the copiers stuff) bythe culture... and thus like what happened to Disco with rock happened in a lesser way with the then 80ish wave with the Alternative/Grunge stuff of the 90's. TD has evolved, Kraftwerk rides on their past.. I like Kraftwerk a whole lot.. from the mid to late 70ies stuff was great.. But Edgar has a point... Greg H... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 8:53 am Subject: Lawsuit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: admin@a... The attached email was acquired from a source believed to be involved in the conflict between Wildauction.com and Ebay, two live online auction sites. Ebay has claimed that Wildaution, found at http://www.wildauction.com engaged in tortious conduct by using email addresses collected off Ebay's pages, found at http:/www.ebay.com, to send bulk mail announcing their site. We attempted to contact both parties for comment. While Ebay declined to respond, we were able to reach the President of Wildauction's parent company, Mr. Garret Hebenstreit, who declined comment other than 'they had better understand the consequences if they lose, and they're just upset because we have no minimum bids'. Our observers indicate that he was referring to the implications of legal precedent in favor of bulk emailing and competitors use of personal email addresses unprotected on your website as well as Wildauctions policy to offer products without the high starting bid prices commonly seen at Eba! y. This is the exact letter sent by Ebay's attorney's to wildauction.com: Return-Path: Received: from mail1.noc.netcom.net (mail1.noc.netcom.net [204.31.1.150]) by chaos.choice.net (ChoiceDotNet 513-723-8330) with ESMTP id UAA26567 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:47:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwlan.fwpa.com (fwlan.fwpa.com [206.184.184.14]) by mail1.noc.netcom.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA23689 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:40:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by fwlan.fwpa.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0002E325; Wed, 21 Jan 98 17:50:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:46:04 -0800 Message-ID: <0002E325.1809@f...> From: Hanna_Bui-Eve@f... (Hanna Bui-Eve) Subject: Re: Wild Auction's Tortious Conduct Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Status: O X-Mozilla-Status: 2013 January 21, 1998 Webmaster Wild Auction Dear Webmaster: This firm represents eBay Inc., a leader in the on-line auction industry. Please be advised that a number of eBay's registered users have forwarded to eBay unsolicited email ('Spam') they recently received from Wild Auction concerning its competitive auction site. Wild Auction's unsolicited contact with eBay users may constitute tortious interference with contract under California state law. Under recent California case law, this tort comprises five elements: 1. An economic relationship between the plaintiff and another, containing a probable future economic benefit or advantage to plaintiff; 2. Defendant's knowledge of the existence of the relationship; 3. That the defendant intentionally engaged in wrongful acts or conduct designed to interfere with or disrupt the relationship; 4. Actual disruption; and 5. Damage to the plaintiff as a result of defendant's acts Della Penna v. Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., 11 Cal. 4th 376, 1995 Cal LEXIS 5960 at 35 (Oct. 12, 1995). Wild Auction's actions may be characterized as tortious interference with prospective economic advantage because each of the five Della Penna elements are present: 1. A contractual relationship exists between eBay and every registered eBay user. Since your collection of the email addresses was of active bidders and sellers, the probability of a future economic benefit to eBay from such registered users is very high. 2. Wild Auction knows of the contractual relationship between eBay and our registered users by virtue of the fact Wild Auction obtained the email addresses of eBay's users from eBay's site. 3. Wild Auction's communication with eBay's registered users offering a competing service is conduct designed to interfere with or disrupt the relationship between eBay and its registered users. 4. eBay has received a significant number of emails from its registered users complaining about Wild Auction's Spam and its disruption of the eBay site for eBay's registered users. 5. Such disruption will certainly involve direct and indirect economic damage to eBay and its registered users. In addition to being tortious interference, Wild Auction's sending of Spam may also be an infringement of eBay's copyright, unfair competition, a violation of California computer crimes laws, and a violation of other laws. Wild Auction's continued transmission of Spam may give rise to a number of causes of action on the part of eBay's users and their ISPs, for which members of either group could choose to assert their rights individually or in a class action. To avoid further tortious injury to eBay, we require that you provide us in electronic form, within ten days from the date of this letter, all information Wild Auction collected from the eBay site. In addition, within ten days from the date of this letter, we require a written assurance by Wild Auction that: (i) the database of information built the eBay site has been destroyed; (ii) all backup copies of such database have been destroyed; and (iii) Wild Auction will not target future Spam on eBay users. Very truly yours, Hanna Bui-Eve, Esq. Fenwick and West 2 Palo Alto Square Palo Alto, CA 9430 (650) 494-0600 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 9:02 am Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jens Kilian > Really-From: DAVENTURA@a... > > Optical Race was composed completely on an Atari... You have a problem with that? :-) Jens (ZX80, ZX Spectrum, Atari ST, and now a BeBox. Windows? Never!) -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-14-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 4:11 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:17:32 +0100, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >Meaning what? >An Atari doesn't sound, it's just a multitrack machine, just as I think he meant 'recorded' as opposed to composed. Hopefully it was 'composed' using ideas from Edgar's brain. Well, actually, having heard the album maybe the Atari did have creative input.... 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 10:47 am Subject: Re: 90's tdream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles Hi, I'll take that as a 'No' then shall I? Colin (Going to live in a monastery so I can play 'Goblins Club' and not 'annoy' people..:-( ) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 10:56 am Subject: Calling Jason! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' Hi folks, Can someone email me Jason Hopkins' email address please. Thank you, Conrad Gibbons From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 7:17 pm Subject: fave TD albums.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Armin Theissen Hi, following the discussion 'my fave TD albums.....', here as a reminder our poll from two/three years ago, as can be seen on http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen/tarank.html Maybe we should do this again.... [Image] Tangerine Dream Hitlist The Tadream mailbox community has been consulted to rank all Tangerine Dream Albums (no bootlegs, singles etc...) according to the following poll scheme: 5 - excellent 4 - almost perfect 3 - nothing special, but o.k. 2 - not so good 1 - real bad Here are the momentary results. The lists gives you a complete statistics (numbers of 1 - ranking, 2 - ranking etc.), the number of votes and the number of total votes, as well as the average value. The first list is ordered by album (chronologically until 'Tyranny of Beauty', followed bysoundtracks), the second by average value. Momentary top 3: [Image] 1) Force Majeure [Image] 2) Logos [Image] 3) Encore (December 12th, 1995). Visit my homepage or Tangerine Dream pages. Have a look at some pictures of TD concert 1981. I have also Klaus Schulze - Rainer Bloss pictures from 1984. You can have a look on all individual rankings here. Here's the list: album number of 1s 2s 3s 4s 5s Electronic Meditation | 11 12 5 1 1 | 30 out of 42 av.:1.97 Alpha Centauri | 2 17 3 3 0 | 25 out of 42 av.:2.28 Zeit | 5 12 6 1 3 | 27 out of 42 av.:2.44 Atem | 4 13 5 1 2 | 25 out of 42 av.:2.36 Green Desert | 0 3 17 7 4 | 32 out of 42 av.:3.28 Phaedra | 4 4 10 10 11 | 39 out of 42 av.:3.51 Rubycon | 2 3 14 9 10 | 38 out of 42 av.:3.58 Ricochet | 1 0 8 15 15 | 39 out of 42 av.:4.10 Stratosfear | 0 0 13 17 8 | 38 out of 42 av.:3.87 Encore | 0 1 3 24 13 | 41 out of 42 av.:4.20 Cyclone | 6 7 17 7 1 | 38 out of 42 av.:2.74 Force Majeure | 0 0 6 15 18 | 39 out of 42 av.:4.31 Tangram | 0 3 9 11 14 | 37 out of 42 av.:3.97 Quichotte- Live East Berlin '8 | 0 0 9 7 6 | 22 out of 42 av.:3.86 Pergamon - Live East Berlin '8 | 0 0 11 11 10 | 32 out of 42 av.:3.97 Exit | 0 2 13 12 9 | 36 out of 42 av.:3.78 White Eagle | 1 1 12 18 7 | 39 out of 42 av.:3.74 Logos - Live at the Dominion | 0 0 8 11 19 | 38 out of 42 av.:4.29 Hyperborea | 0 4 13 16 4 | 37 out of 42 av.:3.54 Poland | 1 1 9 13 14 | 38 out of 42 av.:4.00 Le Parc | 0 4 14 13 6 | 37 out of 42 av.:3.57 Underwater Sunlight | 0 0 9 12 16 | 37 out of 42 av.:4.19 Tyger | 3 4 11 10 6 | 34 out of 42 av.:3.35 Tyger remix | 0 2 7 5 2 | 16 out of 42 av.:3.44 Canyon Dreams | 2 5 17 8 3 | 35 out of 42 av.:3.14 Livemiles | 2 1 8 18 5 | 34 out of 42 av.:3.68 Optical Race | 2 6 13 9 7 | 37 out of 42 av.:3.35 Lily On the Beach | 3 9 13 8 3 | 36 out of 42 av.:2.97 Melrose | 3 5 14 12 4 | 38 out of 42 av.:3.24 Rockoon | 5 6 16 8 1 | 36 out of 42 av.:2.83 220 Volts Live | 3 5 9 9 7 | 33 out of 42 av.:3.36 Turn of the Tides | 4 5 14 4 3 | 30 out of 42 av.:2.90 Tyranny of Beauty | 3 4 10 5 5 | 27 out of 42 av.:3.19 Sorcerer | 0 3 11 12 6 | 32 out of 42 av.:3.66 Thief | 0 2 13 13 6 | 34 out of 42 av.:3.68 Wavelength | 0 8 6 6 1 | 21 out of 42 av.:3.00 Risky Business | 1 3 9 7 1 | 21 out of 42 av.:3.19 Firestarter | 0 6 9 7 3 | 25 out of 42 av.:3.28 Flashpoint | 0 2 11 6 4 | 23 out of 42 av.:3.52 Heartbreakers | 0 7 6 3 1 | 17 out of 42 av.:2.88 Legend | 1 1 3 4 2 | 11 out of 42 av.:3.45 Shy People | 1 7 6 4 1 | 19 out of 42 av.:2.84 Near Dark | 0 3 10 5 3 | 21 out of 42 av.:3.38 Three O'Clock High | 6 6 0 3 0 | 15 out of 42 av.:2.00 Miracle Mile | 2 3 11 5 6 | 27 out of 42 av.:3.37 Destination Berlin | 4 4 8 1 2 | 19 out of 42 av.:2.63 Dead Solid Perfect | 4 5 2 0 0 | 11 out of 42 av.:1.82 The Man Inside | 0 0 7 3 1 | 11 out of 42 av.:3.45 The Park Is Mine | 0 5 6 5 1 | 17 out of 42 av.:3.12 Deadly Care | 5 2 4 0 0 | 11 out of 42 av.:1.91 Catch Me If You Can | 1 6 2 1 1 | 11 out of 42 av.:2.55 sorted results: Force Majeure | 0 0 6 15 18 | 39 out of 42 av.:4.31 Logos - Live at the Dominion | 0 0 8 11 19 | 38 out of 42 av.:4.29 Encore | 0 1 3 24 13 | 41 out of 42 av.:4.20 Underwater Sunlight | 0 0 9 12 16 | 37 out of 42 av.:4.19 Ricochet | 1 0 8 15 15 | 39 out of 42 av.:4.10 Poland | 1 1 9 13 14 | 38 out of 42 av.:4.00 Tangram | 0 3 9 11 14 | 37 out of 42 av.:3.97 Pergamon - Live East Berlin '8 | 0 0 11 11 10 | 32 out of 42 av.:3.97 Stratosfear | 0 0 13 17 8 | 38 out of 42 av.:3.87 Quichotte- Live East Berlin '8 | 0 0 9 7 6 | 22 out of 42 av.:3.86 Exit | 0 2 13 12 9 | 36 out of 42 av.:3.78 White Eagle | 1 1 12 18 7 | 39 out of 42 av.:3.74 Livemiles | 2 1 8 18 5 | 34 out of 42 av.:3.68 Thief | 0 2 13 13 6 | 34 out of 42 av.:3.68 Sorcerer | 0 3 11 12 6 | 32 out of 42 av.:3.66 Rubycon | 2 3 14 9 10 | 38 out of 42 av.:3.58 Le Parc | 0 4 14 13 6 | 37 out of 42 av.:3.57 Hyperborea | 0 4 13 16 4 | 37 out of 42 av.:3.54 Flashpoint | 0 2 11 6 4 | 23 out of 42 av.:3.52 Phaedra | 4 4 10 10 11 | 39 out of 42 av.:3.51 Legend | 1 1 3 4 2 | 11 out of 42 av.:3.45 The Man Inside | 0 0 7 3 1 | 11 out of 42 av.:3.45 Tyger remix | 0 2 7 5 2 | 16 out of 42 av.:3.44 Near Dark | 0 3 10 5 3 | 21 out of 42 av.:3.38 Miracle Mile | 2 3 11 5 6 | 27 out of 42 av.:3.37 220 Volts Live | 3 5 9 9 7 | 33 out of 42 av.:3.36 Tyger | 3 4 11 10 6 | 34 out of 42 av.:3.35 Optical Race | 2 6 13 9 7 | 37 out of 42 av.:3.35 Green Desert | 0 3 17 7 4 | 32 out of 42 av.:3.28 Firestarter | 0 6 9 7 3 | 25 out of 42 av.:3.28 Melrose | 3 5 14 12 4 | 38 out of 42 av.:3.24 Risky Business | 1 3 9 7 1 | 21 out of 42 av.:3.19 Tyranny of Beauty | 3 4 10 5 5 | 27 out of 42 av.:3.19 Canyon Dreams | 2 5 17 8 3 | 35 out of 42 av.:3.14 The Park Is Mine | 0 5 6 5 1 | 17 out of 42 av.:3.12 Wavelength | 0 8 6 6 1 | 21 out of 42 av.:3.00 Lily On the Beach | 3 9 13 8 3 | 36 out of 42 av.:2.97 Turn of the Tides | 4 5 14 4 3 | 30 out of 42 av.:2.90 Heartbreakers | 0 7 6 3 1 | 17 out of 42 av.:2.88 Shy People | 1 7 6 4 1 | 19 out of 42 av.:2.84 Rockoon | 5 6 16 8 1 | 36 out of 42 av.:2.83 Cyclone | 6 7 17 7 1 | 38 out of 42 av.:2.74 Destination Berlin | 4 4 8 1 2 | 19 out of 42 av.:2.63 Catch Me If You Can | 1 6 2 1 1 | 11 out of 42 av.:2.55 Zeit | 5 12 6 1 3 | 27 out of 42 av.:2.44 Atem | 4 13 5 1 2 | 25 out of 42 av.:2.36 Alpha Centauri | 2 17 3 3 0 | 25 out of 42 av.:2.28 Three O'Clock High | 6 6 0 3 0 | 15 out of 42 av.:2.00 Electronic Meditation | 11 12 5 1 1 | 30 out of 42 av.:1.97 Deadly Care | 5 2 4 0 0 | 11 out of 42 av.:1.91 Dead Solid Perfect | 4 5 2 0 0 | 11 out of 42 av.:1.82 Thanks to all who participated, namely: 'FIFE::'@MSIM.CO.UK Thu Jul 6 07:16:52 1995 sto@i... Thu Jun 29 12:57:45 1995 richard@w... Thu Jun 29 14:19:27 1995 72241.2313@c... Thu Jun 29 15:48:56 1995 stefanm.atc@g... Thu Jun 29 19:14:42 1995 SJazzman@a... Thu Jun 29 22:28:04 1995 @msmgate.m30x.nbg.scn.de:HJ2743@d... witlu@m... Fri Jun 30 16:31:41 1995 craigs@p... Fri Jun 30 16:50:02 1995 jlhui@H... Fri Jun 30 19:22:25 1995 @post.demon.co.uk:carl@c... Fri Jun 30 19:48:29 19 absint!echoiniere@c... Sat Jul 1 00:49:21 1995 DWEPPNER@d... Sat Jul 1 01:34:33 1995 moik@i... Sat Jul 1 11:29:57 1995 SteveG1119@a... Sat Jul 1 19:17:58 1995 speng@t... Sun Jul 2 14:28:09 1995 PhilPDX@a... Sun Jul 2 21:19:28 1995 throop@b... Sun Jul 2 23:59:23 1995 draco@m... Mon Jul 3 10:07:12 1995 peterc@d... Mon Jul 3 14:07:20 1995 markbe@d... Mon Jul 3 14:17:21 1995 Hans-Joerg.Stengel@C... Tue Jul 4 13:25:03 1995 seanm@a... Wed Jul 5 20:33:29 1995 jjgeerts@w... Wed Jul 5 23:18:40 1995 rtrout@e... Thu Jul 6 04:00:58 1995 brian_kirby@p... Thu Jul 6 05:35:40 1995 boojum@t... Thu Jul 6 08:50:35 1995 HYRE1@M... Thu Jul 6 17:19:39 1995 paule@a... Fri Jul 7 08:51:39 1995 PNorris159@a... Sun Jul 9 05:28:54 1995 ??? you mailed to tadream. I've lost your ID - respond, please DJHaley@a... Tue Jul 11 20:48:25 1995 roehl@c... Tue Aug 1 09:04:50 1995 ptison@c... Thu Aug 3 21:04:01 1995 bb.maus.de!Klaus_Beschorner@e... Sat Aug 5 17:34: stpbsch@i... Fri Aug 25 23:24:14 1995 Sylvain.Petitjean@l... Thu Aug 31 18:06:56 1995 Didier.Gemmerle@l... Tue Nov 28 12:17:38 1995 0308184346-0001@T... Sun Oct 8 14:45:56 1995 Doug@g... Mon Oct 9 13:35:20 1995 ahti@w... Tue Dec 12 01:50:56 1995 Some of you could not resist to rank Quinona and The Keep with 5 or even 5+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 12:31 pm Subject: AM, too many M ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'FREDERIC YARGUI' ><< Listening to the recent TD outputs 'The Keep', 'Time Square' and 'Ambient >Monkeys',. I consider 'A.M.' the most brilliant of the said records, and >the best since Oasis, IMHO. >> >Wow, the best since Oasis? That long ago? :-)))))) >Seriously, thanks for the feedback. Sounds like I gotta get that one, people >keep saying good things about it. >Phil Derby I received recently AM and TS from CDnow, TS is very very good, but I think (IMHO) that the monkeys and other jungle animals sound too loud in AM; I got a headache every time I try to listen to this album. Moreover, there is one single track, 48 min long! The booklet says there is 13 tracks. So, who forgot to split? I can't zap on this cd!! It remembers Alpha Centauri that gives me another kind of headache (in France, we call it 'le tournis' - I may translate into : spinning head?!) Greetings to everyone, Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 12:47 pm Subject: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers I've attached some comments about tape trees that arose in the context of a private email exchange with another listmember. since I haven't requested his permission to quote, I'll keep his comments to a minimum and not name him. my reason for posting this material to the list is because he raises some very pertinent questions for our discussion of the upcoming tape trees and I think it might benefit the list discussion to post it here. The comments made represent my own opinions lars ---------------------------------------------------- Hi [...] [...] you raise some very good questions; in fact, I think I'm going to forward an excerpt of this reply to tadream because it is pertinent to the general discussion (since I haven't asked permission to quote your private mail, I'll not include your name; I hope that's OK) [...] >I'm not sure whether you want to run a tape tree >based on the 'official' boots or the original tapes (some of them seem >to be VERY rare! [...] -- I expect that most of these original tapes are held by people not on tadream [...]. I also think that many of these official boots are rather rare (ie Live! Improvised!) and not owned by that many list members as well. My preference would be to provide tapes to whomever might want them... but then we'll have to see how many people really do want them. --> OK listees, what is your opinion, should we restrict these tape trees to only live-tape sources or should we also run tape trees from certain CD boots???? It would be a relatively easy task to run a 'tape tree' to distribute tapes of these boots. for example, if 20 people with the particular cd each made 3 copies, that would make 60 direct tape copies, probably plenty. [...] >Let me know a little more about how you envision the tape tree >working. -- typically, the original/parent/master source makes somewhere between 2 and 5 (1st generation) copies and passes them along to the first level of branches; these first-level branches also make 2-5 (2nd generation) copies each and pass them along to the second level of branches; these second-level branches then make 2-5 copies each and pass them along to the third level branches and so on until you reach the leaves (final recipients). If we are running a primarily analog tape tree and we want to maintain substantial generational 'purity,' we'll have to run horizontal trees where each branch makes at least 4-5 copies (depending on the level of participation/demand). Thus, if we run a 4 level tape-tree from a master tape and each person made 5 analog copies, that would create 5 1st-generation copies, 25 2nd-generation copies, and 125 3rd-generation copies; or 155 copies in all -- probably more than enough to satisfy every person on tadream who wants a copy... If we run a vertical tree, each person has to make only a 2-3 copies and we need a lot more generations (at 2 copies each, a 4-level tree would produce only 14 total copies; we would need 8 levels to make 128 tapes at 2 copies each); the vertical method works well for digital media where generational degradation is not as significant an issue as in analog copies. Although a list member once told me that unless you have the right equipment, passing the stereo signal through a PC sound card can subject it to lots of interference and added noise and may result in cdr copies that are no better than high-speed tapes dubs made on a poor tape deck; of course I'm not a cdr wizard so I can't verify this, maybe someone else can? >It seems a bit expensive to be a source if you don't get your >costs covered [...] The cost to a source would only be their time. The cost to each person should be only the cost of 1-2 blank tapes (or blank cdrs if we do any digital stuff) plus the postage & packing to send them and have them returned. How I personally envision these tadream tape trees working would be for each branch member to send their parent-branch the blank tapes and a self-addressed, stamped padded mailer for the tape's return (minimize your parent's work load please). I don't think we need to worry about live-tape trades or 2:1 trades; these trees should be purely about distributing the music and each person basically donates their time to make 2-5 tapes. (Purely non-profit) The other side of the coin is that each person receiving the tapes needs to select the brand and grade of tape they desire and make sure the tapes get sent to their parent-branches *well in advance* so that the whole tree does not get held up by 1 or 2 slow-moving individuals (remember, you are making a commitment to those people waiting downstream ;-). Further, people should not expect their parent-branches to fill up any blank space with bonus / rare trax, etc. (unless this is on the original source) because this can be quite time consuming. just my thoughts lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10350 Re: tape trees Plumer, Scott Tue 1/27/1998 2 KB 10360 Re: tape trees TWeibre361 Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB 10371 Re: tape trees Michael Fox Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB 10408 Re: tape trees Mike Livsey Wed 1/28/1998 10 KB 10419 Re: tape trees Lars R. Jones Wed 1/28/1998 8 KB 10450 Re: tape trees Michael Fox Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB 10468 Re: tape trees Mike Livsey Thu 1/29/1998 6 KB 10429 Re: tape trees Plumer, Scott Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB 10431 Re: tape trees Plumer, Scott Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 2:02 pm Subject: RE: Ambient Monkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' ><< Listening to the recent TD outputs 'The Keep', 'Time Square' and 'Ambient > Monkeys',. I consider 'A.M.' the most brilliant of the said records, and > the best since Oasis, IMHO. >> >Wow, the best since Oasis? That long ago? :-)))))) >Seriously, thanks for the feedback. Sounds like I gotta get that one, people >keep saying good things about it. I'd say it's their best work of the '90s. Certainly the most original. Worth every penny I paid for it. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 2:13 pm Subject: RE: 90's tdream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I'll take that as a 'No' then shall I? >Colin >(Going to live in a monastery so I can play 'Goblins Club' and not 'annoy' >people..:-( ) On the contrary, I like most of '90s TD, but I also like just about everything else they've done. I even like. . . Rockoon! Maybe I have a radon leak in my house that's give me brain damage. . . Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 2:19 pm Subject: RE: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >--> OK listees, what is your opinion, should we restrict these tape trees >to only live-tape sources or should we also run tape trees from certain CD >boots???? It would be a relatively easy task to run a 'tape tree' to I say run 'em from boots as well, since that would hurt those fiends who illegally profit from TD's work. Scott NP: deadradio.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 2:29 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hanson Family > Hey, congrats on your kids best selling album! Mmmbop! Heh heh. So > what's the deal with Atari anyway? They made some of the greatest > programs and games. Are they still producing synth-based software & > soforth? > > regards, > > Dan Dan, I don't know for sure. I got this copy of Cubase for the ST in 1995. I know the maker of Cubase, Steinberg/Jones, continues to produce the program for the IBM and Mac and give tech support for the Atari. Other than that, Atari has folded and I don't think there is much in the way of 3rd party software creation. Enjoy, doug p.s. I call up my cousins every once in a while to dog them out--their music sux! -- O /\ * * /\ / \ /\ * * * /\ / \/ \ / \ * * / \/ / \/ \ Douglas W. Hanson, IV / \ dhanson@n... / it's better in Alaska From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 2:27 pm Subject: metronome ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean I don't know anything about the licensing by Virgin, but the new Klaus Schulze album appears on a 're-activated' MEtronome label.. MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 2:55 pm Subject: Lamb With The Radar Eyes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Awwwww Greg, come on.... Thats one of my all time favorite tracks! MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10363 Re: Lamb With The Radar Eyes Greg Heil Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB 10426 Modern Day Kick Butt TD Dennis Nigbur Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB 10587 Re: Lamb With The Radar Eyes DAVENTURA@a... Sat 1/31/1998 2 KB 10591 Re: Lamb With The Radar Eyes Greg Heil Sat 1/31/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 3:10 pm Subject: Reims '74 - other musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' A while ago there was some discussion on a couple of other artists, beside Nico, who were slated to appear at Reims Cathedral with TD but apparently never did. I remember one was Mike Oldfield, but who were the others? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10362 Re: Reims '74 - other musicians TWeibre361 Tue 1/27/1998 2 KB 10394 Re: Reims '74 - other musicians Hermes Guzman Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB 10436 Re: Reims '74 - other musicians TWeibre361 Wed 1/28/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 3:00 pm Subject: Desert Vision/Raven Kane/no TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean The DESERT VISION video is part of a MIRIMAR series that included CANYON DREAMS. The music was by David Lanz and Paul Speer. They have done several CDS available on NArada records in Milwaukee, Wisconsin... I was also dusting off some old LPs and ran across a mid-80s Erdenklnag sampler containing a track call SILICON Valley by Klaus Netzle and Raven Kane...SOunded like it would have been an interesting album, but it is surely long out of print... Anybody heard it? MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 3:06 pm Subject: Re: Tape Tree For Jerome's Show ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-26 17:33:07 EST, you write: << If people think this truely cannot work then I will understand. >> it can work...its done on other lists all the time...all we need is the seed...if u dont get that ur kinda stuck...after that it takes a life of its own...anyone in europe wanna volunteer for this? tom w np: cujo - adventures in foam From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 3:01 pm Subject: Re: 90's tdream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > On the contrary, I like most of '90s TD, but I also like just > about everything else they've done. I even like. . . Rockoon! Maybe I > have a radon leak in my house that's give me brain damage. . . > > Scott Rockoon?.. Couple of good uns. Rockoon itself has some excellent guitar work! I do like the non-'90's stuff as well (some of it), I only asked the question because most of the messages to the list either ignore it or complain about how 'bad' it is..etc Oh well. That's their 'problem' not mine.. Colin 'I've got a bike, you can ride it if you like! It's got a basket, a bell that rings and things to make it look good. I'd give it to you if I could..but I borrowed it!' Pink Floyd From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 3:15 pm Subject: Re: Tape Tree For Jerome's Show ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-26 18:26:01 EST, you write: << Why are we even discussing Tape anyway...tape is about to go away like the 8-Track and Long Playing Album....Sitting at my 24 track...wondering... >> a tape tree can be in any format the participants wish it to be...or multiple formats... tom w np: nico - icon From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 3:36 pm Subject: Re: kw list in flames ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-27 01:55:47 EST, you write: << > Hey E-man.. I'm sending that quote to the Kraftwerk list.. maybe we can > start an intercontinental list war :) Do it, Greg! Now *this* may make an interesting thread.... >> well, he did do it and the flames started instantaneously...the kw list will self-destruct over this...and u thought this list was thin-skined and humorless? tom w np: nico - icon (btw, was it ever determined wether or not she did in fact open for td at the cathedral show? and if so, does anyone know where i can find a recording? thanks...) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10364 Re: kw list in flames Plumer, Scott Tue 1/27/1998 2 KB 10369 Re: kw list in flames TWeibre361 Tue 1/27/1998 2 KB 10372 Re: kw list in flames Michael Fox Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB 10385 Re: kw list in flames TWeibre361 Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 4:11 pm Subject: Re: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-27 07:54:29 EST, you write: << I've attached some comments about tape trees >> uve pretty much hit the nail on the head...the only addition id make is that the relationship between the different levels is personal (i.e, type of tape, cases no cases, priority mail, etc) ...on other lists, the actual exchange is either a straight trade (and this can be at those people's discretion, if u wanna trade for a copy of a rare spice girl ep for a td show, u should be shot, i mean allowed, to do so) or 2:1...but never more...thats an egregious violation and should preclude that person from ever participating again... more 2 cents, tom w np: huygen - absence of reality From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 4:28 pm Subject: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Pawel Jachowicz Hello fellow TD Fans, I usually lurk around without making postings, but I could not resist this one. By far, 1974-1987 TD is the best! Tangram, Force Majeure, Encore, Ricochet, Logos rule! Anyways - here's another TD fan who prefers the older stuff. Seriously now - I can listen to Encore again and again discovering something new every time - reliving the music and having a real emotional attachment to it. Doing the same thing with Rockoon or Tyranny of Beauty proved to be an exercise in futility and frustration. Cheers, Pawel -- Pawel Jachowicz, Computing Science, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada pavel@c... http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~pavel tangerine dream, christoph franke, edgar froese, johannes schmoelling klaus schulze, florian fricke, paul haslinger, klaus krueger, peter baumann --- All of my email passes through a filter. Let's FIGHT SPAM! --- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 4:26 pm Subject: Re: Reims '74 - other musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-27 10:07:57 EST, you write: << A while ago there was some discussion on a couple of other artists, beside Nico, who were slated to appear at Reims Cathedral with TD but apparently never did. I remember one was Mike Oldfield, but who were the others? >> well, as far as i know nico was supposed to appear with john cale... tom w np: huygen - absence of reality From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 4:33 pm Subject: Re: Lamb With The Radar Eyes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > > Awwwww Greg, come on.... > > Thats one of my all time favorite tracks! > > MJ > > Well................ I'd have to say the Tournado version is much better than the original. But that's like saying the Chevette is better than the Pinto :) heehee Sorry.. if there was a modern day kick butt TD song, I'd have to go for 'Living in a Fountain Pen' as my fav. Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10426 Modern Day Kick Butt TD Dennis Nigbur Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 5:03 pm Subject: RE: kw list in flames ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >np: nico - icon (btw, was it ever determined wether or not she did in fact >open for td at the cathedral show? and if so, does anyone know where i can >find a recording? thanks...) I have two reviews of the show that both mention her performing. I know of no tape of it, though. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 5:16 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles Hi all, I suppose which albums you like depends upon what you use it for. I admit that I'm not usually capable of finding the time to sit down and listen to music. I just to, but since I came to Uni I can't seem to fit it in! :-( The only time I actually sit and listen is the first couple of times I play a new album..after that its just on as 'background' music (loud background music granted!) whilst I'm working, reading a book etc. Consequently, I suppose I prefer the 90's TD because I find it good for working to! As concept albums the 90's stuff doesn't hold water I agree, but as individual peices-just as good as any other period!IMHO My final thoughts (probably!) Colin p.s. do those of you who prefer the older stuff still listen to the later stuff or is it simply listen to it a couple of times and then forget about it? Just curious.. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 5:51 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jan 27, 5:16pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: 90's TD > Really-From: Colin Knowles > > (...) > > p.s. do those of you who prefer the older stuff still listen to the later stuff or > is it simply > listen to it a couple of times and then forget about it? Just curious.. > Speaking for myself, I listen to new stuff as well, but proportionally less and less as time goes. For instance, in the mid 80's -- like when 'Le Parc' came out -- each album represented 1/20 of TD's output. Now, in the late 90's, each CD accounts for about 1%... (I am taking into account the multi-CD compilations as well as the boots I have acquired over the last 5 years to get this 1% figure) I still end up listening to my old fave more often than the newer stuff, though, but even this is not enough, there is not enough time in my busy life for all this good music, and it is just too bad. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Modern Day Kick Butt TD Song ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:33:08 -0700 you said: >Subject: Re: Lamb With The Radar Eyes >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > >> Really-From: Michael A Jean >> >> Awwwww Greg, come on.... >> >> Thats one of my all time favorite tracks! Er... if it's one of yer faves, how come you didn't correct Greg by telling him that it's 'Lamb with Radar Eyes,' not 'Lamb with *the* Radar Eyes'? ;) >if there was a modern day kick butt TD song, I'd have to >go for 'Living in a Fountain Pen' as my fav. Oh brother! What about 'Hamlet' or 'Backstreet Hero' from 220 VOLT, or the 'Catwalk' Club Mixes mix on the UK DREAM MIXES, or 'Order of the Ginger G[u]ild'? Sorry, but, for *me*, it's a toss-up for which is the less satisfying TD misfire: TYRANNY OF BEAUTY or GOBLINS' CLUB. I have a feeling that time will place these two in the category of OPTICAL RACE, DESTINATION BERLIN, LILY ON THE BEACH . . . and ROCKOON! ;) ;) ;) Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Space Music, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Tadream, CNI News, P.E.E.R. ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Perspectives, The MUFON UFO ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ Journal, the Nausicaa list, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ and Nutrition News. ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 1:19 pm Subject: Re: Desert Vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 08:29 PM 1/26/98 +0000, you wrote: >i. On the flights to and from LA the boarding video was a thing called > Desert Visions. This was a Canyon Dreams-like affair from Miramar with > incredibly TD-esque music. Does this have anything to do with TD? The >music > was sensational. > Desert Visions--music by David Lanz and Paul Speer. I've had this music video for some time and find it quite good. SHould be easily had. Another, prior release by the same folks is 'Natural States' also nice. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 6:18 pm Subject: Re: kw list in flames ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-27 11:59:51 EST, you write: << I have two reviews of the show that both mention her performing. I know of no tape of it, though. >> can u send em to me or tell me where to find em...thanks... tom w np: tortoise remixed From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 9:26 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'willfred' i guess i should make it clear: stuff after Tangram is not bad, some of it i like alot, but over these many years of being a tdream fan, it is the older stuff that still impresses me and surprises. and everything that i have read states that edgar and co. are doing quite well financially from the corporate entity known to us as ' Tangerine Dream '. just my opnion. bill2. ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Re: 90's TD > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 9:16 AM > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Really-From: Colin Knowles > > > Hi all, > > I suppose which albums you like depends upon what you use it for. > > I admit that I'm not usually capable of finding the time to sit down and listen to > music. > I just to, but since I came to Uni I can't seem to fit it in! :-( > > The only time I actually sit and listen is the first couple of times I play a new > album..after > that its just on as 'background' music (loud background music granted!) whilst I'm > working, > reading a book etc. > > Consequently, I suppose I prefer the 90's TD because I find it good for working > to! > > As concept albums the 90's stuff doesn't hold water I agree, but as individual > peices-just > as good as any other period!IMHO > > My final thoughts (probably!) > > Colin > > p.s. do those of you who prefer the older stuff still listen to the later stuff or > is it simply > listen to it a couple of times and then forget about it? Just curious.. > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 1:20 pm Subject: Re: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 07:47 AM 1/27/98 -0500, you wrote: >How I personally envision these tadream tape trees working would be for >each branch member to send their parent-branch the blank tapes and a >self-addressed, stamped padded mailer for the tape's return (minimize your >parent's work load please). FWIW: I recently ran a video tree on another list I'm on and did this exact thing. Those wanting a copy sent me (this is in the US) a blank tape, mailing envelope and return Priority postage. It seemed to go very well and was easy to do on my end. BTW--More than a few folks sent me an extra blank cs(Audio) for doing it, so I got some unexpected 'gifts' along the way. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 1:20 pm Subject: Re: kw list in flames ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 10:36 AM 1/27/98 EST, you wrote: >well, he did do it and the flames started instantaneously...the kw list will >self-destruct over this.. Hey Tom, Can you maybe forward a few of the more interesting remarks? I'd be curious what was said. >np: nico - I read recently that there is a documentary being done about her and her 'Warhol Years'. It sounded interesting--if I find any info I'll pass it along. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 1:19 pm Subject: Re: Tape Tree For Jerome's Show ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 05:48 PM 1/26/98 EST, you wrote: >the 8-Track and Long Playing Album....Sitting at my 24 >track...wondering...David > Uh...because it is cheap, universal, easy to do/trade/mail, and I doubt it's going away as fast as you think. Congratulations on your 24 track--can you send me one? I'd be up for a tree of Jerome's show--even though I speak no German. I can help with treeing cs in the US. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Theissen Scale Skewed: It Doesn't Have *My* Vote! :( ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:17:49 GMT you said: >Subject: Re: fave TD albums.... >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Armin Theissen > >following the discussion 'my fave TD albums.....', here as a reminder >our poll from two/three years ago [. . .] > 5 - excellent > 4 - almost perfect > 3 - nothing special, but o.k. > 2 - not so good > 1 - real bad > >[Image] 1) Force Majeure >[Image] 2) Logos >[Image] 3) Encore For *this* TD fanboy, the fact that RUBYCON is not listed among the above automatically nullifies the validity of the survey. > sorted results: > album number of 1s 2s 3s 4s 5s > > Underwater Sunlight | 0 0 9 12 16 | 37 out of 42 av.:4.19 Why so high for *this*??? > Rubycon | 2 3 14 9 10 | 38 out of 42 av.:3.58 Why so low for this? > Optical Race | 2 6 13 9 7 | 37 out of 42 av.:3.35 Why--in God's name--so high for *this*??? > Wavelength | 0 8 6 6 1 | 21 out of 42 av.:3.00 > Heartbreakers | 0 7 6 3 1 | 17 out of 42 av.:2.88 Why so low for these? *I* place them both in the Top Five! > Dead Solid Perfect | 4 5 2 0 0 | 11 out of 42 av.:1.82 And I place this in the Top Ten, at least. > Thanks to all who participated, namely: > > 'FIFE::'@MSIM.CO.UK Thu Jul 6 07:16:52 1995 [all the listings in between the first and last have been snipped] > ahti@w... Tue Dec 12 01:50:56 1995 Aha! *Now* I see: somehow, somebody f**ked-up and my votes were never received!!! No *wonder* the votes were so exasperatingly off! These vote numbers have pissed me off for years, and *now* I know why! Feh! No smileys from *me*! :( >Maybe we should do this again.... Yes, we should, if for no other reason than to let me register my '1' votes for turkeys like OPTICAL RACE, LIVEMILES, and LEGEND -- and '2' votes for ZEIT, RISKY BUSINESS (just because I'm hot to seek out alternate TD mixes doesn't mean I like the music per se), UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT, TYGER, ROCKOON, SHY PEOPLE, and AMBIENT MONKEYS. Ah. Now I feel much better. ;) -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, 1960. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 6:36 pm Subject: Music from the 21st Century ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I found this at CDNow: Neil Norman/Tangerine Dream: Music From The 21st Century What is this? They had no info on it. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10387 Re: Music from the 21st Century PENFOLD Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB 10398 Re: Music from the 21st Century Vic Rek Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB 10404 Re: Music from the 21st Century DJS Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB 10418 Re: Music from the 21st Century matt knudson Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 6:28 pm Subject: Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Edgar has a point though, and even though I enjoy the Kraftwerk stuff--I > can see why the robot paradigm is still hanging tough. Its commercial > success also indicates a destined commercial crash. Kraftwerk gave their music an intellectual context. They didn't hide the fact that it was cold and machine-made; in fact, they exploited that connection (wheras TD has always insisted that they were injecting humanity into the machine). Not only did Kraftwerk use synths, but they explored public fascination and fear of the same technology that they were using. In a way, the themes explored in 'Computer World' are even more relevant today. But at the same time, while people may still feel somewhat threatened by technology, we've also had to accept it as a necessary part of our lives. No longer are they big and clunky with glowing green VDTs; quite obviously foreign and intimidating. The computer is our friend, and necessary for a prosperous career in the nasty 90s. Scare-mongering about computer control, and claiming that our very lives are becoming robotic (as Kraftwerk did) is now a heresy. Kraftwerk seized the moment when computers were in their ascedency, and made the most of it. But the moment passed, and once that pose got old, they had nowhere to go, musically or intellectually. TD, it seems to me, is taking the other tactic. They accept the fact that technology is here, but their music is not *about* the technology. The computers are just another new tool for them, just as acrylic paints were the latest tool for artists a few decades ago. They simultaneously adapt to technology's retrictions while at the same time they bend it to their will. It is a attitude that has served them well, leading as it has to a long-lasting career. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TD's Success Due to Quantity Over Quality? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:26:21 -0800 you said: >Subject: Re: 90's TD >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: 'willfred' > >[. . .] and everything that i have read states that edgar and co. are >doing quite well financially from the corporate entity known to us as >' Tangerine Dream '. just my opinion. If for no other reason than to provide a little objectivity--not just a chance to play devil's advocate--it could easily be argued at this point that TD might be 'doing quite well financially' because of the sheer *quantity* of available material, not the *quality* thereof. >bill2. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10405 Re: TD's Success Due to Quantity Over Quality? DJS Wed 1/28/1998 4 KB 10458 Re: TD's Success Due to Quantity Over Quality? Steven Feldman Wed 1/28/1998 4 KB 10461 Re: TD's Success Due to Quantity Over Quality? Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 1/29/1998 5 KB 10497 Re: TD's Success Due to Quantity Over Quality? TWeibre361@a... Thu 1/29/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: No Mention of Rheims Cathedral in NICO--ICON ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:20:50 you said: >Subject: Re: kw list in flames >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Michael Fox > >>np: nico - What do you mean, 'Nico'? Since when was there a Nico album issued with just that as it's title? (I thought that her official oeuvre was CHELSEA GIRL, DESERT SHORE, THE END, DRAMA OF EXILE, the DO OR DIE tape, and that last studio recording with The Faction >I read recently that there is a documentary being done about her and her >'Warhol Years'. It sounded interesting--if I find any info I'll pass it >along. It came out about a year and a half ago. It was called NICO--ICON and is really depressing (what did you expect?) And no, there is no mention of TD or Rheims Cathedral. The film is too introspective and myopic to render anything like a straight historical treatment of rock's 'original bad girl' (what and Anita Pallenberg and/or Maryanne Faithful weren't at least contemporaneous with Nico???). -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10388 Re: No Mention of Rheims Cathedral in NICO--ICON TWeibre361 Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 7:30 pm Subject: Re: Theissen Scale Skewed: It Doesn't Have *My* Vote! :( ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC Hey Steve. I have to agree with you on these votes. It kind of pissed me off too. The only thing I dont agree with you on, is the fact that Legend is a turkey! To me, this is a great album. It was the 2nd album I bought by TD, and I love it to this day. Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 6:53 pm Subject: Re: 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: DAVENTURA > > >Album was produced on the Atari ST using Steinberg/Jones Software. It's just a >fact. The Atari was not state of the art, at any time. A MiniMoog isn't state of the art too. It heats up and goes out of tune. That's just a fact. But MAN, do I love the sound. Just as an Atari is not perfect, I love to work on it. Marcel Atari-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 7:43 pm Subject: Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' >Really-From: Sean Montgomery >Scare-mongering about computer control, and claiming that our >very lives are becoming robotic (as Kraftwerk did) is now a heresy. Until Microsoft installs Windows CE on every appliance known to man... Internet surfing on your washing machine? - jim 'There's no shame in being a pariah...' -- Marge Simpson jimbo@v... is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10386 Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? Sean Montgomery Tue 1/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 7:47 pm Subject: Legal Reasons for the lack of a complete Keep release? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' I wish I had clipped the message, but I think it was in rec.music.movies (or .newage) from Matt Haergraves stating that the reason the full-blown Keep soundtrack has never been released is that there was a threat of a lawsuit from another artist claiming that the opening sequence was a rip-off of one of his pieces (Eno?). Anyway, I'm not being much help because of the lack of information that I'm able to remember, but has anyone else heard anything similar? - jim 'There's no shame in being a pariah...' -- Marge Simpson jimbo@v... is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10395 Re: Legal Reasons for the lack of a complete Keep Hermes Guzman Wed 1/28/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 8:15 pm Subject: RE: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Kraftwerk gave their music an intellectual context. They didn't hide >the fact that it was cold and machine-made; in fact, they exploited >that connection (wheras TD has always insisted that they were injecting >humanity into the machine). Not only did Kraftwerk use synths, but they Yeah, the implication that electronic instruments were cold and machine-like always made my fur fly. I've always argued that electronic instruments were just as valid as any other. Acoustic guitars, trumpets and the like are machines, too: we're just used to them. I wonder how my kids are going to view electronic music in a few decades, having grown up with it. . . Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 8:03 pm Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. 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(tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 8:06 pm Subject: Re: kw list in flames ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-27 13:26:20 EST, you write: << Can you maybe forward a few of the more interesting remarks? I'd be curious what was said. >> hehe...i could say something sarcastic involving the word 'interesting' but i wont...sorry, deleted em all...(guess that should give u an indication of how 'interesting' they were)... I read recently that there is a documentary being done about her and her 'Warhol Years'. It sounded interesting--if I find any info I'll pass it along. it was done...'nico icon'...a sad tale indeed...directed by her daughter... tom w np: freeform - elastic speakers From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 8:07 pm Subject: Re: Synthesizers used on Optical Race? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >Scare-mongering about computer control, and claiming that our > >very lives are becoming robotic (as Kraftwerk did) is now a heresy. > > Until Microsoft installs Windows CE on every appliance known to > man... Internet surfing on your washing machine? Of course, Microsoft and other computer/media giants are trying to exercise an increasingly tight hold over our lives. I think most people feel no choice but to accept this as inevitable, just as people were told that the Cold War was inevitable. It's always easier to just conform and adapt to the prevailing logic of the day. But secretly, I think that most people resent the arrogance with which corporations conduct their affairs, and that a backlash will ensue. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 8:32 pm Subject: Re: Music from the 21st Century ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD At 13:36 9801.27 -0500, tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Neil Norman/Tangerine Dream: Music From The 21st Century > >What is this? They had no info on it. Various artists are featured on this w/ one track by TD, being 'Tangram Set 1' buy this one only if you are one of those compleatist TD collectors. Pete mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides on which instruments to take on the road. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 8:41 pm Subject: Re: No Mention of Rheims Cathedral in NICO--ICON ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-27 13:58:06 EST, you write: << What do you mean, 'Nico'? Since when was there a Nico album issued with just that as it's title? (I thought that her official oeuvre was CHELSEA GIRL, DESERT SHORE, THE END, DRAMA OF EXILE, the DO OR DIE tape, and that last studio recording with The Faction >> nico - icon (rare and unreleased) cleopatra clp 9709-2: vegas one more chance the sphinx orly flight henry hudson sixty forty genghis khan mutterlein we've got the gold saeta bonus-nico interviews 1977-1986 tracks 1&10 recorded 1980, original 7' single tracks 2-7 recorded 1981, studio outakes from the 'drama of exile' sessions tracks 8&9 recorded live at the library theater, manchester 1980 hope this helps, tom w np: freezone presents moving house 2 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 8:41 pm Subject: Fw: (kw) Kraftwerk Bashing? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' This seemed interesting.. maybe flame worthy in a few areas.. What I notice from the Kraftwerk people is the total non-understanding that TD evolves and changes--I guess they listen to a few albums and consider all of TD as represented on a few albums. Yet, many would not disagree if I made the comment that Kraftwerk over fewer than 5 albums is a good representation of the group in itself. And upon hearing two of those albums, a person will know what Kraftwerk is all about.. *and* what Kraftwerk will ever be.. they are two different groups.. very distant! ---------- > From: jbv > To: kraftwerk@x... > Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Bashing? > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 1:17 PM > > > Paulo Mouat wrote: > > > > IMHO, it only means that in some ways Kraftwerk conditioned audiences > > not familiar with electronic instruments and music, making them believe > > that the only thing that could come out of synthesizers was 'mechanical' > > and 'robotic' music, thus imprinting erroneous preconceptions towards > > all music made with such instruments in the people not captivated by > > the concept. > > > > I don't think the statement has negative overtones at all, despite > > having its share of exactness and truth. > > -- > > > Good point, Paulo (as always). > > May I had a few things : > > 1- in the early 70s, the situation was quite the opposite : TD used to > attract lots of people to their gigs (much more than KW anyway) and I > remember that lots of people (at least in my neiborghood) used to listen > to Phaedra, Ricochet and Aqua, and had never heard of KW 1 or 2 or 3. > > 2- in the mid-80s, people were not anymore interested in sitting and > tripping for hours, just listening to spacey beat-less drones. > The way of life was different, thus leading to more interest in faster/ > catchy rythms and poppy melodies. > > 3- according to the above, I really doubt that 'electronic music' per se > ever really mattered to the audience... > > 4- and if it did anyway for a certain part of the audience (geeks, > certainly), it is true that right after the introduction of MIDI and > the first sequencers on personal computers, it was 10 times easier to > run short repetitive MIDI loops driving simple synth patches, than > building complex evolution of sophisticated textures (which doesn't > imply that IMO TD ever did anything sophisticated). > Therefore, the aboundance of cheap gear lead to a massive wave of > home-made repetitive / 'robotic' synth productions (indeed, tons of > indie singles and cassettes in the mid-80s) that overflood the market, > and made those guys with their walls covered with huge expensive > modulars look like pathetic dinosaurs... > > jbv > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@x... with 'info kraftwerk' in the message. > # Postings must go to kraftwerk@x... -- replies go to original sender. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10391 Re: Fw: (kw) Kraftwerk Bashing? Sean Montgomery Tue 1/27/1998 4 KB 10392 Re: Fw: (kw) Kraftwerk Bashing? SRiser3600 Tue 1/27/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 9:04 pm Subject: Re: Modern Day Kick Butt TD Song ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:33:08 -0700 you said: > >Subject: Re: Lamb With The Radar Eyes > >From: tadream mailing list > >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > >> Really-From: Michael A Jean > >> > >> Awwwww Greg, come on.... > >> > >> Thats one of my all time favorite tracks! > > Er... if it's one of yer faves, how come you didn't correct Greg > by telling him that it's 'Lamb with Radar Eyes,' not 'Lamb with *the* > Radar Eyes'? ;) Sorry, I lost my Goblin's Club insert. > > >if there was a modern day kick butt TD song, I'd have to > >go for 'Living in a Fountain Pen' as my fav. > > Oh brother! What about 'Hamlet' or 'Backstreet Hero' from 220 VOLT, > or the 'Catwalk' Club Mixes mix on the UK DREAM MIXES, or 'Order of the > Ginger G[u]ild'? Sorry, but, for *me*, it's a toss-up for which is the > less satisfying TD misfire: TYRANNY OF BEAUTY or GOBLINS' CLUB. I have > a feeling that time will place these two in the category of OPTICAL RACE, > DESTINATION BERLIN, LILY ON THE BEACH . . . and ROCKOON! ;) ;) ;) Most of the rockish stuff they do today isn't the best around. They should have stuck with what they do best and evolve that. I think it's fair to say that in terms of progress to the band--it's been major, but to the progress and evolution of music, it's been very little. I like to listen to the current day stuff mostly because 1: It's TD, 2: It is sometimes unique, and 3: It's instumental and good working music. Dream Mixes is OK, but I don't like the fact that all they really are, are mixes. I think Oasis is really good, you might disagree. Most of the pure synth stuff TD does turns out pretty good.. when they have Exacto knife on the guitar or Linda on the sax.. it loses a lot of uniqueness. I miss Chris' simplicity with the drums too.. he always kept the tempo perfect. Greg H... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 9:15 pm Subject: Re: Fw: (kw) Kraftwerk Bashing? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > 1- in the early 70s, the situation was quite the opposite : TD used to > > attract lots of people to their gigs (much more than KW anyway) and I > > remember that lots of people (at least in my neiborghood) used to listen > > to Phaedra, Ricochet and Aqua, and had never heard of KW 1 or 2 or 3. This is a good point! Phaedra in particular was very popular. This is because it was so new and different for its day, and the band had gained John Peel's stamp of approval. Which brings me another point. Too often, music gets derided strictly because it becomes popular. I would argue that this is because ours is a very conformist society, where advertising, media, and social controls seek to make us behave and consume as a herd. Thus, deliberately liking a band that has no media attention - that no one is ramming down your throat - is the supreme act of individuality. You assert your ability to act independantly. Yet, secretly, we still crave affiliation with others. So that's where the critic comes in, deeming it okay to like certain bands. That's why I think we all secretly like it when we see a critic say something good about TD. Of course, the fact that crtics now tend to favour Kraftwerk over Tangerine Dream (mainly because KW stayed 'pure' while TD went 'Hollywood'), makes it hard for the diehard TD fan, but we persevere. > > 2- in the mid-80s, people were not anymore interested in sitting and > > tripping for hours, just listening to spacey beat-less drones. Wait a minute...how about the rise of house and ambient music in the late 80s? All-night raves continue to attract people. > > The way of life was different, thus leading to more interest in faster/ > > catchy rythms and poppy melodies. I would also suggest that this is partly to do with radio and market demands. Advertisers want radio stations to deliver them their target audiences (18-24 24-35), and this means fewer and fewer chances can be taken. Safe formulas are embraced. Short songs mean more time for ads, and more songs per hour. More product can be moved from record store shelves. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 9:28 pm Subject: Re: Fw: (kw) Kraftwerk Bashing? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: SRiser3600 THE BEST KRAFTWERK CD IS STILL RALF AND FLORIAN From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jan 27, 1998 9:44 pm Subject: CuBase ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jel, Gabor' Hi! T.D. has used in the beginning of the 90's Atari Mega ST computers with Cubase recording software, now they uses the Cubase VST on Apple PowerMac ????. I have it read on the inlay on Tournado Live. I am not sure in the computer type, but I mean, that the guys of T.D. don't use PC-s for MIDI recording, because the MIDI latency is to big in the PC-s via the 16550 (or mod.) UART-s. Todays is the Apple PowerMac the best for MIDI recording (IMHO). Sorry for my wrong english knowledge, I hope you can understand me: Best regards: Gabor Jel from Hungary jeel@i... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10399 Re: CuBase Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB 10465 Apologies to Dano! (off topic) Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10508 Re: Apologies to Dano! (off topic) Mike Livsey Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB 10416 Re: CuBase Colin Knowles Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB 10421 Re: CuBase Jel, Gabor Wed 1/28/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Re: Reims '74 - other musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all- ><< A while ago there was some discussion on a couple of other artists, > beside Nico, who were slated to appear at Reims Cathedral with TD but > apparently never did. I remember one was Mike Oldfield, but who were the > others? >> > >well, as far as i know nico was supposed to appear with john cale... The other artist was Eno, who showed up but did not play. Nico's set actually took place *between* the two TD sets! It was almost an hour long, and according to some reviews, too long by half... goozer --------------------------------------------------- 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has blurred.' --------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59 am Subject: Re: Legal Reasons for the lack of a complete Keep release? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all- >Really-From: 'Jim Moore' >I wish I had clipped the message, but I think it was in >rec.music.movies (or .newage) from Matt Haergraves stating >that the reason the full-blown Keep soundtrack has never been >released is that there was a threat of a lawsuit from another >artist claiming that the opening sequence was a rip-off >of one of his pieces (Eno?). From the Keep FAQ: (...)Mr. Mann also wanted to TD to adapt a theme from Eno's _Life in the Bush of Ghosts_ and 'Walking In the Air (Theme From The Snowman)' by Howard Blake! These were used as the film's beginning and end themes respectively. The reason that they weren't released on the TDI Limited Edition is that along with Logos (blue part) they do not own the rights to publish them (although a another variant of 'Walking In the Air' can be heard in 'Logos Part 2'; it's the last song in the main set.) In addition, the End Titles that most are familiar with is in fact an edit; there is an alternate *longer* ending to the film with an additional 4 minutes of really great music! A few parts of the original music composed for the film ended up being replaced by themes found on the _Logos_ and _Logotypes_ CD's, for the usual directorial reasons; some of these themes are to found on _The Keep_ limited edition CD. And of course the most interesting fact is the tale of the original release of the soundtrack... As with all TD soundtracks (indeed, almost any film soundtrack), the music contained on the album was different than the actual film score in many ways. Several of the cues were remixed or adapted into new compositions, and some of the film's most important cues were left out. This was partially due to the fact that some of them could be found on _Logos_, so it was decided not to duplicate material. At the time, TD were contracted to Virgin, and without a US distributor. This is where things start to go a little fuzzy. The film studio, Paramount, had a distribution deal with MCA Records. So MCA entered into negotiations with Virgin to not only release the soundtrack, but other TD albums as well. At some point *after* the initial albums were pressed, but *before* they were to be shipped, the deal fell through. It has never been fully revealed as to why this happened. In any case, an initial shipment of the albums were delivered to various distributors, a consequently retailers, around the US. As there was already a recall order, any copies that made it out were pulled from the shelves, probably the same day. It is unknown whether any Virgin copies were likewise released. It would be interesting to discover what role, if any, this soundtrack played in the band's decision to leave Virgin, or indeed, vice-versa. goozer --------------------------------------------------- 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has blurred.' --------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 12:07 am Subject: Fw: (kw) RE: Award ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' No Comment... I'm protecting this author's e-mail address :) Will this make it past the censors? Greg H... _______________________________________________________________ >Granillo wrote: >For those unaware: in 1992, Kraftwerk received an award for 'over a decade >of contributions to synthesizer music.' I have but two questions: >1) Who was the organization who awarded this? >2) Why have Tangerine Dream never been awarded in kind, and why on earth >would Kraftwerk receive this before they? Kraftwerk are one-tenth as >prolific, and one-one-thousandth as creative. < I'm fed up with TD been compared to Kraftwerk just because they're both German and produce electronic music. TD have been prolific, however, their output has been shit. Contrast this with Kraftwerk, who've been very selective in what they've released. It is Kraftwerk who have developed electronic music in the most creative way possible. TD have repackaged the same rubbish countless times. >No flames, please. This is just a legitimate inquiry of Kraftwerk fans, open to critical discussion. Put away your asbestos suits and flamethrowers.< >E-Man If you've joined this list to shovel shit don't expect many friends. I wouldn't turn up on the TD list and rubbish their pathetic albums. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@x... with 'info kraftwerk' in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@x... -- replies go to original sender. ---------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10397 Re: Fw: (kw) RE: Award Gabe Yedid Wed 1/28/1998 4 KB 10400 Re: Fw: (kw) RE: Award Greg Heil Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB 10410 Fw: (kw) RE: Award Greg Heil Wed 1/28/1998 4 KB 10437 Re: Fw: (kw) RE: Award TWeibre361 Wed 1/28/1998 2 KB 10438 Re: Fw: (kw) RE: Award TWeibre361 Wed 1/28/1998 2 KB 10445 Re: Fw: (kw) RE: Award Gabe Yedid Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB 10452 Re: Fw: (kw) RE: Award Michael Fox Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB 10455 Re: Fw: (kw) RE: Award TWeibre361@a... Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 1:01 am Subject: Re: Fw: (kw) RE: Award ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > >Granillo wrote: > > >For those unaware: in 1992, Kraftwerk received an award for 'over a decade > >of contributions to synthesizer music.' I have but two questions: > > >1) Who was the organization who awarded this? > >2) Why have Tangerine Dream never been awarded in kind, and why on earth > >would Kraftwerk receive this before they? Kraftwerk are one-tenth as > >prolific, and one-one-thousandth as creative. < > > > I'm fed up with TD been compared to Kraftwerk just because they're both > German and produce electronic music. TD have been prolific, however, their > output has been shit. Contrast this with Kraftwerk, who've been very > selective in what they've released. It is Kraftwerk who have developed > electronic music in the most creative way possible. TD have repackaged the > same rubbish countless times. > If what the KW person means by 'the most creative way possible' is focusing exclusively on relations between technology and society, redoing the same old tunes countless times in new styles (think TD's got a problem with Dream Mixes?), and making dubious promises about new material that is pushed back year after year, then they're right. With a comment like this, I'd have to agree that most KW fans don't understand TD very well. Although I do count myself as a KW fan, I got off the KW list because of ill-concieved and overbearing statements like these which I found were all too common there; they seem to be hung up on KW as major artistes (said with faux flair). And not to sound too egotistical here ;), but I think I *do* understand TD well. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 1:49 am Subject: Re: Music from the 21st Century ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: PENFOLD >>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>Neil Norman/Tangerine Dream: Music From The 21st Century >> >>What is this? They had no info on it. > > Various artists are featured on this w/ one track by TD, being 'Tangram >Set 1' >buy this one only if you are one of those compleatist TD collectors. > As far as I know, this sounds like the LP compilation. If this is correct, then there's an unreleased Steve Roach early '80s track in this too. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 1:59 am Subject: Re: CuBase ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:44 PM 1/27/1998 +0100, Gabor wrote: > >Sorry for my wrong english knowledge, I hope you can understand me: Ne izguly...aki akarja, az megerti. :-) (Trans.: Don't worry...those who want to, will understand you.) Kedelyes udvozlettel (Kindest regards) Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10465 Apologies to Dano! (off topic) Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10508 Re: Apologies to Dano! (off topic) Mike Livsey Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 2:02 am Subject: Re: Fw: (kw) RE: Award ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' It seems that under poor editing, a couple message come through as my name on the KW list, without (FROSE) and then the quote.. I didn't write (create) that quote! :) I agree with all of you on the list regarding comments made.. this wasn't really to start a war, but to get opinons from both sides.. Thank you.. actually thank E-Man for finding the quote :) Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 2:56 am Subject: Kraftwerk vs TD?????? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' >the Kraftwerk [I guess] listen to a few albums and consider all of TD as represented on a few albums. >And upon hearing two of those albums, a person will know what Kraftwerk is all about.. *and* what Kraftwerk will ever be.. they are two different groups.. very distant! To compare a very active group (TD) and a relatively inactive one (Kraftwerk, not a single release since 1991), the discussion seems not of much value, given that the only common points are 1) they are both German and 2) they are both synth music. No much else in common. In fact, if one compares TD's 3 major product lines: studio work, live/tour material and soundtrack work (released + unreleased, the latter even the most hardcore fan(s) hasn't listened to) with those of Kraftwerk, it will become very obvious that TD is the most prolific of all (except maybe Klaus Schulze or Roedelius/Cluster or maybe Vangelis), Kraftwerk has done a lot less and no more meaningful to discuss any more. If a discussion/comparison is ever made involving Kraftwerk, the other artist under discussion should be MICHAEL ROTHER, since 1) Michael was also on the earliest Kraftwerk line-up; 2) Michael's few releases of solo material, in terms of amount, is similar to Kraftwerk; 3) both played simple synth music (in terms of song structure; 4) Michael's music is more 'warm music', more on the human side, Kraftwerk, in contrast, is more 'cold music', more on the machine side. Anyway, a discussion is only a discussion, and I enjoy them all. Jeffrey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 2:10 am Subject: Off-Topic: Year of The Tiger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Hi all Today is our Chinese New Year. For those who are interested in Chinese horroscope, this year is Year of the Tiger. Check any related book to know your fortune this year!! Jeffrey np: TD - Tyger Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10425 Re: Off-Topic: Year of The Tiger Jim Moore Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 4:43 am Subject: D:Live! final schedule ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> D:Live! final discussion schedule --------------------------------------------------------------------- Abbreviations and Format: Month.Day.Year City (Venue) Time (Medium of original source) Original sources: Au = audience; SB = soundboard; FM, TV = broadcast; Vid. = Video; Media (self-explanatory?): MC = cassette tape; LP -= vinyl; CD; CDR; Vid = video; LD (laser disc) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Phase I: The Highly Improvisational Years (1970-1981) Part A: The Ones & 'The Pink Years': 1967 & 1970 -1973 Week 1: All known dates 1967 & 1970-73: .67 The Ones: Lady Greengrass/Love of Mine Official Release: 1967 (Starclub 7') .70 Berlin (broadcast) 15 min (FM) .71 Ultima Thule Part 1/Part 2 Official Release: 1971 (Ohr 7') .71 Berlin (broadcast) (UT outtake) 9 min. (FM) 6.?.71 Ossiach (Welt-Musik Festival) 'Ozillator Planet Konzert' Official Release: Ossiach Live 3LP (BASF, 1971) Boots: Mystery Tracks I (CD), Rare Trax I CDR), Ossiach Live (CD) Tapes: 8 min. (Au) 6.19.71 Frankfurt (Frankfurt University) 45 min. (FM) .72/.73? Unknown location - live 35 min. (SB) .72 Berlin (RIAS FM) 'Klangcollage' show 20 min. (FM) 4.25.72 OST: Geradeaus bis zum Morgen 13 min. (TV) 11.25.72 Cologne (WDR-FM 'Klangwald') 45 min. (FM) 5.25.73 Ponts de Ce 84 min. (Au) 8.21.73 OST: Ein fuer alle mal 38 min. (TV) 11.29.73 Berlin (RIAS FM) 45 min. (FM) ------------------------------------------------------------------ I.B: 1974 Week 2: Miscellaneous 1974 Dates 'Oedipus Tyrannos' (incorporates 3 dates) Official release: Track 'Overture' on 'V' (Virgin compilation, 1975) -- excerpt Boots: Festival (8.18.74 Au) Tapes: 8.18.74 Chichester (Festival Theatre) 31 min. (Au) 8.22.74 London (BBC Studios) 23 min. (FM) 8.29.74 London (BBC Studios) 24 min. (FM); digitally enhanced MC/DAT/CDR version exists also 10.13.74 Berlin (Nationalgalerie) 55 min. (FM) Part 1: 'Metamusik Festival' (36 min.); Part 2: 'Conversations' (19 min.) 12.13.74 Reims (Cathedral) 85 min (Au) Boots: Live! Improvised! (2CD) Riems Cathedral (LP) Tapes: 65 min. (FM) Broadcast 27 min. (Au) (2nd source encores) 17 min. (FM) (Broadcast Interview & Encore) Week 3: 1974 UK Tour, all tapes 10.29.74 Sheffield (City Hall) Boots: TD 74-78 (MC) -- excerpt Tapes: 44min. (Au) 10.30.74 Birmingham (Town Hall) 90 min. (Au) 11.2.74 Liverpool (Liverpool Stadium) 90 min. (Au) 11.20.74 Glasgow (Kelvin Hall) 85 min. (Au) 11.26.74 Bradford (St. George's Hall) 51 min. (Au) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I.C 1975 Section 1: 1975 Australian tour & Misc. 1975 Dates Week 4: 1975 Australian Tour, all tapes & 4.2.75 London 3.13.75 Melbourne (Dallas Brooks Hall) 84 min. (Au) 3.25.75 Adelaide (Festival Hall) 87 min. (Au) 4.2.75 London (Royal Albert Hall) Boots: Coefficient of Aural Expansion I + II (CD+CDR) Absolutely Hypnotized -- excerpt Phaedream -- excerpt Concentrical Progression 2CDRs Tapes: 115 min. (FM) Week 5: Orange Festival & Reims 1975 8.16.75 Orange (Festival Pop d'Orange, Theatre Antique et Gymnase) Boots: Orange Festival (LP + 7') A Dream Unbound (LP + 7') Seekers of Dreams (LP + 7') Festival (MC) excerpt Oranges from France (CDR) Tapes: 59 min. (Au) 9.23.75 Reims (Opera House) 85 min. (Au) ------------------------------------------------ Section 3: 1975 UK Tour Week 6: 1975 UK Tour, Part 1 10.4.75 Coventry (Cathedral) 96 min. (Au) 10.5.75 Bristol (Colston Hall) 70 min. (Au) 10.12.75 Birmingham (Town Hall) 109 min. (Au) 10.16.75 Liverpool (Cathedral) 100 min (Au) Week 7: 1975 UK Tour, Part 2 10.17.75 Glasgow (City Hall) 85 min. (Au) 10.20.75 York (Minster) 84 min (Au) 10.22.75 London (Olympia) 31 min. (Au) 10.23.75 Croyden (Fairfield Hall) 63 min. (Au) ------------------------------------------------------------- I.D: 1976 Section I: Miscellaneous 1976 Dates Week 8: Miscellaneous 1976 Dates, part 1 .76 unknown concert 33 min. (Au) 1.23.76 Paris (Palais du Sport) 107 min. (Au) 2.9.76 Brussels (Jansen University) Boots: Danger Live [Pt. 1] (CD) Danger Live Pt. 2 (CDR) Tapes: 109 min (Au) 2.11.76 Amsterdam RAI Congresscentrum 91 min. (Au) Week 9: Miscellaneous 1976 Dates, part 2 5.23.76 Germany (broadcast) 45 min. (TV) 6.5.76 Manchester (Free Trade Hall) 112 min. (Au) 6.7.76 London (Royal Albert Hall) Boots: Three Tier Dream (3CDs) CD1 Tapes: 103 min (Au) 6.10.76 Brighton (The Dome) 85 min. (Au) 6.27.76 Berlin (Philharmonic, SFB-Radio) Boots: Danger Live Pt. (2CDR) The Dream Is Not Always The Same (CDR) Tapes: 33 min. (FM) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Section 2: 1976 European Tour Official Release: Ricochet (excerpts various concerts) Week 10: 1976 European Tour, part 1 10.20.76 Hannover (Stadthalle) 107min. (Au) 11.8.76 Nottingham (Usher Hall) 90 min. (Au) Boots: Me-Rad (part 1) Collected Endings CD (Part 2) 11.13.76 Leeds (University) 110 min. (Au) 11.16.76 Brussels (L'Ancienne Belgigue) Boots: Danger Live Pt. (2CDR) -- excerpt Tapes: 91 min. (Au) 10.21.76 Dusseldorf (Philipshalle) 74 min (Au) 10.27.76 Munich (Circus Krone Bau) 91 min. (Au) Week 11: 1976 European Tour, part 2 11.3.76 Edinburgh (Odeon) ) 83 min. (Au) 11.9.76 Portsmouth (Guild Hall) 90 min. (Au) 11.14.76 Croydon (Fairfield Hall) 75 min. (Au) 11.15.76 Manchester (Free Trade Center) 58 min. (Au) 11.22.76 Paris (Palais du Sport) 109 min (Au) 11.28.76 Toulouse (Centre Culturel) 89 min. (Au) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I.E: 1977 North American Tour (Stratosfear) Official Release: Encore (excerpts: Washington DC, Santa Monica, .....) Week 12: 1977 North American Tour, part 1 3.29.77 Milwaukee (Riverside Theatre) 80 min. (Au) 3.31.77 Detroit (Ford Auditorium) Boots: Acoustic LSD (CD) Emerald Beyond (LP); Edison's Last Playoff? (LP) Tapes: 103 min. (Au) 4.2.77 Cleveland (Music Hall) Boot: US Tour 1977 (2LP) Tapes: 82min (Au) 4.4.77 Washington DC (Lisner Auditorium) Boot: (rumored) Tapes: 1st source 110 min. (FM) 2nd source 101 min. (FM) 4.5.77 New York (Avery Fisher Hall) 130 minutes (Au) Week 13: 1977 North American Tour, part 2 + 1977 Misc 4.10.77 Montreal (Place des Arts & CHOM-FM) Boots: Patrolling Space Borders Laserium Transformations -- excerpt Tangerine Dream Live-at the Place des Arts Tapes: 109 min. (FM) 4.11.77 Quebec City (Hilton Convention Center) 97 min. (Au) 4.21.77 Seattle (Paramount Theater) Boots: Babylon's Strange Netz-Lautstarke Babylon's Sequenced Fotzenslecker Tapes: 88 min. (Au) 4.26.77 Santa Monica (Santa Monica Civic Auditorium) 109 min. (Au) 7.12.77 Los Angeles (Greek Theatre) 91 min. (Au) 8.4.77 (?) Toronto (Convocation Hall) 91 min. (Au) --> 1977 Misc. .77 OST: Pauline et l'ordinateur 10 min. (Vid) MC/7- ------------------------------------------------------------------- I.F: 1978 European Tour (Cyclone) Week 14: 1978 Tour; all dates 2.19.78 Berlin (Eissporthalle) Boots: Don't Walk, Dream Now (2LP) [2CDR? rumored] Tapes: 135 min. (Au) 2.24.78 Hamburg (Audimax) Boots: TD 74-78 (MC) -- excerpt Tapes: 45 min. (Au) 2.25.78 Dusseldorf (Philipshalle) 90 min. (Au) 3.1.78 Nantes (Palais de la Beaujoire) 120 min. (Au) 3.12.78 Valencia (Pabellon Deportiro Marcol) 35 min. (Au) 3.13.78 Barcelona (Nueva Pabellon de Barcelona) 50 min. (Au) 3.23.78 Newcastle (City Hall) 80 min. (Au) 3.24.78 Glasgow (Apollo City Hall) 113min. (Au) 3.25.78 Manchester (Apollo City Hall) 60 min (Au) 3.26.78 Liverpool (Empire) 110 min. (Au) 3.28.78 London (Hammersmith Odeon) 100 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- I.G: 1980 Section 1 East Berlin Week 15: 1.31.80 E. Berlin (Palast der Republik) afternoon + evening shows Official releases: Quichotte Pergamon Boots: Staatgrenze West (LP) White Cloths (2MC) The Dream Is Not Always The Same (CDR) -- excerpt Beyond the Wall (CDR) [NB: Don Quixote (LP) is a pirate] Tapes: Afternoon show 71 min (FM + Au?) Evening show 100 min (FM) ------------------------------------------ Section 2: 1980 European tour Week 16: 1980 European Tour Dates, Part 1 10.13.80 Brussels (Cirque Royale) Boots: Nostrasgram (CDR) Tapes: 120 min. (Au) 10.15.80 Dusseldorf (Philipshalle) 107 min. (Au) 10.16.80 Hamburg (Congress Center) 110 min. (Au) 10.17.80 Luxembourg (Centre Sportif) 46 min. (Au) 10.20.80 Unknown venue 86 min. (Au) 10.23.80 Bologna (Palasport) 110 min. (Au) 11.1.80 Dublin (National Stadium) 110 min. (Au) 11.2.80 Newcastle (City Hall) 113 min. (Au) 11.5.80 Preston (Guild Hall) Boots: Soundtrack for Fantasy (CD) Undulation (LP) Space Trucking (LP) Tapes: 116 min. (Au) Week 17: 1980 European Tour Dates, Part 2 & 2 US Concerts 11.6.80 Derby (Assembly Rooms) 108 min. (Au) 11.7.80 Birmingham (Odeon) 112 min. (Au) 11.8.80 Manchester (Apollo) 90 min. (Au) 11.9.80 London (Victoria Apollo) 109 min. (Au) 11.10.80 London (Victoria Apollo) 110 min. (Au) 11.12.80 Oxford (New Theatre) 106 min. (Au) 11.15.80 Liverpool (Royal Court) 110 min. (Au) 11.20.80 San Francisco (Warfield Theater) 37 min. (Au-->FM) 11.22.80 Santa Monica (Santa Monica Civic Auditorium) 105 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- I.H: 1981 Section 1: 1981 European Tour Week 18: 1981 European Tour, Part 1 1.21.81 Aachen (Eurogress) 114min. (Au) 1.24.81 Hannover (Eilenriedehalle) 105 min. (Au) 1.26.81 Berlin (Internationales Congress Centrum) Boots: (Event Horizon) Tapes: 110 min. (Au) 1.30.81 Frankfurt (Jahrhunderthalle) 110 min. (Au) 2.2.81 Paris (Bataclan Palace) 110 min. (Au) Week 19: 1981 European Tour, part 2 (Italian shows) 2.6.81 Rome (Palasport) 86 min. (Au) 2.7.81 Cantu (Palasport Piarelli) Boots: Absolutely Hypnotized - excerpt Fragments? - excerpt Tapes: 105 min. (Au) 2.??.81 Cucciago (?) 84 min. (Au) 2.8.81 Florence (Apollo Theatre) 105 min. (Au) 1st show 2.8.81 Florence (Apollo Theatre) 112 min. (Au) 2nd Show 5.??.81 Rome (RAI-1) 28 min. (TV) ----------------------------------------- Section 2: 1981 UK Tour (Exit) Week 20: 1981 UK Tour, part 1 10.??.81 Two sound checks from UK tour 46 min. (Au) 10.15.81 Oxford (New Theatre) 109 min. (Au) 10.16.81 Portsmouth (Guild Hall) 90 min. (Au) 10.17.81 Brighton (Brighton Dome) 90 min. (Au) 10.20.81 London (Hammersmith Odeon) Boots: Three Tier Dream (3CDs) CD2 Tapes: 111min. (Au) 10.22.81 Sheffield (City Hall) 88 min. (Au) Week 21: 1981 UK Tour, part 2 10.24.81 Manchester (Apollo Theatre) 112 min. (Au) 10.25.81 Newcastle (City Hall) Boots: Dreamtime (CDR) Space & Spheres (LP) Space Trucking (LP) Tapes: 110 min. (Au) 10.26.81 Edinburgh (Usher Hall) 112 min. (Au) 10.27.81 Glasgow (Apollo City Hall) 90 min. (Au) 10.28.81 Preston (Guild Hall) 119 min. (Au) 10.29.81 Liverpool (Royal Court) 114 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Section 3: Misc 1981 dates Week 22: .81 OST: Strange Behavior 41 min. (TV) 8.29.81 Berlin (Platz der Republik) Boots: Tangerine Dream Live (MC) Tapes: 102 min (Au) 11.11.81 Gelsenkirchen (WDR-FM) 24 min. (FM) 12.9.81 Munich (Circus Krone 'Klassic-Rock-Nacht') 31 min. (TV) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ Phase II, Increasing Standardization of Tour Programs Part A: 1982 Section 1: Australian Tour Week 23: All dates from 1982 Australian Tour (White Eagle) 2.22.82 Sydney (Regent Theatre) Boots: Leprous Appearance on a Wednesday (LP) Dreaming (CD) Outback Voices (CDR) Tapes: 120 min. (FM) 3.1.82 Melbourne (Dallas Brooks Hall) Boots: Raetikon CD Tapes: 70 min. (Au) -------------------------------------------------------------- Section 2: Logotypes & 1982 Misc Material Week 24: .82 Berlin (Polygon Studios?) or 11.15.82 Berlin (International Congress Centrum? ) Boots: Logostypes (CDR) Tapes: 85 min. (studio master tape) .82 OST: Tatort: Das Maedchen auf der Treppe (Virgin 7' & 12') .82 OST: [Codename] The Soldier (Vid) .82 OST: Von Richern & Sympathisanten 5 min. (Vid) --------------------------------------------- Section 3: European tour (White Eagle) Week 25: 1982 European Tour, part 1 10.17.82 Vienna (Kurhalle Oberlaa-- Konzerthaus) 104 min. (Au) 10.19.82 Budapest (Sports Hall) 84 min. (Au) 1st show 10.19.82 Budapest (Sports Hall) 84 min. (Au) 2nd show 10.27.82 Frankfurt (Alte Oper) 105 min. (Au) 10.??.82 Unknown (UK?); 90 min. (SB) 10.29.82 Glasgow (Apollo City Hall) 92 min. (Au) 10.30.82 Derby (Assembly Rooms) 138 min. (Au) 10.31.82 Croyden (Fairfield Hall) 104 min. (Au) 11.1.82 Manchester (Apollo Theatre) 110 min. (Au) 11.2.82 Bristol (Colston Hall) 90 min. (Au) Week 26: 1982 European Tour, part 2 11.3.82 Oxford (Apollo City Hall) 103 min. (Au) 11.4.82 Sheffield (City Hall) 111 min. (Au) 11.5.82 Birmingham (Town Hall) 135min. (Au) 11.6.82 London (Dominion) Official release: Logos Tapes: 118 min. (Au) sound check 45 min. (Au) 11.8.82 Brussels (Vrije University) 108 min. (Au) 11.10.82 Mannheim (Rosengarten) 89min. (Au) 11.11.82 Dusseldorf (Phillipshalle) 110 min. (Au) 11.12.82 Munich (Circus Krone Bau) 111 min. (Au) 11.15.82 Berlin (Internationales Congres Centrum) Boots: The Dream Is Not Always The Same (CDR) -- excerpt Tapes: 110 min. (Au) 11.19.82 Budapest (Sportcsarnok) 44 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- II.B 1983-1985 Week 27: Fassbinder Homage & 1983 Japanese tour 6.11.83 Frankfurt (Alte Oper) R.W. Fassbinder Memorial Concert Boots: Fassbinder Homage EP (30 min.) Tapes 36 min (Au) 6.23.83 Tokyo (Kohseinenkin Hall) 109 min. (Au) 6.25.83 Tokyo (Nakano Sun Plaza Hall) 104 min. (Au) 6.28.83 Osaka (Festival Hall) 110 min. (Au) Week 28: 1983: Dresden, Warsaw, & Athens 11.26.83 Dresden (Hygienemuseum, Kongress Saal) 115 min. (Au) 12.10.83 Warsaw (Ice Stadium) 12.10.83 Warsaw (Ice Stadium) Official release: Poland 2LP Tapes: 86 min. (Au) 1st show 90 min. (FM) 2nd show 6.??.84 Athens (Lycabettus Theater) 91min. (TV) Week 29: Misc. Material 1983-86 .83 OST:Tatort: Miriam (Daydream/Moorland, Virgin 7') .83 OST: Heisser Schnee / Niege Brulante 3 min. (Vid) .83 OST: The Keep (unofficial releases & alternate end-title only) .84 OST: Streethawk 150 min. (Vid) .84 OST: Vision Quest / Crazy for You 17 min. (unreleased material from session/demo tape) .85 OST: Forbidden 26 min. (Vid) .85 OST: Legend (unreleased material) (FM) .85 OST: Red Heat 20 min. (Vid) .86 Horns of Doom (KLEM MC) .86 OST: Zoning (*original* soundtrack music only) 22 min. (Vid) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- II.C 1986 Section 1, European tour Week 30: 1986 European Tour 3.9.86 Leicester (De Montford Hall) 93 min. (Au) 3.10.86 Sheffield (City Hall) 110 min. (Au) 3.11.86 Newcastle (City Hall) 98 min. (Au) 3.12.86 Edinburgh (Playhouse) 122 min. (Au) 3.13.86 Preston (Guild Hall) 107 min. (Au) 3.14.86 Manchester (Apollo Theatre) 114 min. (Au) 3.16.86 Croyden (Fairfield Hall) 112 min. (Au) 3.17.86 Birmingham (Odeon) 110 min. (FM) 3.18.86 Hanley (Victoria Hall) 110 min. (Au) 3.19.86 Liverpool (Royal Court) 106 min. (Au) 3.20.86 Bradford (Saint Georges Hall) 120 min. (Au) 3.21.86 Harrogate (The Centre) 110min (Au) 3.22.86 Nottingham (Royal Court Hall) 111 min. (Au) 3.23.86 Lincoln (Ritz Theatre) 101 min. (Au) 3.24.86 Brighton (The Dome) 105 min. (Au) 3.26.86 Oxford (Apollo Theatre) 107 min. (Au) Week 31: The Boots: London, Cologne, & Paris 3.27.86 London (Hammersmith Odeon) Boots: The Nameless is the Origin (LP) Timeless Space (2LP) Tapes: 105 min. (Au) 3.29.86 Cologne (Sendesaal & WDR-FM 'Nachtmusic') Boots: Relativity (LP) Nachtmusik (CDR) Tapes: 103 min. (FM) 3.31.86 Paris (Olympique) Boots: Parisian Dreams (LP) Parisian Dreams Too (LP) Technikon (LP) 3 Tier Dream (part 1) (CD) 3 Tier Dream On (part 2) (CD) Paris Edge (CDR) Tapes: 76 min. (FM) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 2, 1986 North American Tour Week 32: 1986 North American Tour 5.30.86 Vancouver BC (Expo '86 Open Air Theatre) 105 min. (Au) 5.31.86 Seattle (Paramount Theatre) 120 min. (Au) 6.1.86 Portland (Arlene Schnitzler Auditorium) 111 min. (Au) 6.??.86 Unknown location 60 min. (Au) 'mystery concert' 6.3.86 San Francisco (Warfield Theater) 103 min. (Au) 6.5.86 Los Angeles (Universal City Ampitheatre) Boots: Alien Air Music (CDR) excerpt only Tapes: 112 min. (Au) 6.7.86 Mesa (Mesa Amphitheatre) 5 min. (SB) Boots: Alien Air Music (CDR) excerpt only 6.11.86 Denver (Paramount Theater) 90min (Au) 6.13.86 Kansas City (Bonner Springs Sandstone Ampitheatre) 109 min. (Vid) 6.15.86 Chicago (Riviera Theater) 84 min (Au) 6.17.86 Milwaukee (Oriental Theater) 105 min. (Au) 6.19.86 Montreal (Place des Arts) 111 min. (Au) 6.20.86 Ottawa (National Arts Center) 111 min. (Au) 6.21.86 Toronto (Massey Hall) Boots: Undercover Dreams 2LP Undercover Dreams (MC) Tapes: 117 min. (Au) 6.23.86 Rochester (Meadowbrooks Music Festival) 113 min. (Au) 6.24.86 Cleveland (Music Hall) 100 min. (Au) 6.25.86 Philadelphia (Tower Theater) 104 min. (Au) 6.26.86 Boston (Orpheum Theater) 90 min (Au) 6.27.86 Providence (Performing Arts Center) 110 min. 6.28.86 New York (The Beacon Theater) 120 min. (Au) 6.29.86 Washington DC (Warner Theater) 120 min. (Au) Week 33: Sonambulistic Imagery & Live Miles 6.6.86 Irvine / Laguna Hills (Irvine Meadows Ampitheater) Boots: Sonambulistic Imagery (2CD) Tapes: 109 min (Au) 6.8.86 Albuquerque (Kiva Convention Center) Official Release (ha!): Live Miles Boots: Alien Air Music (CDR) excerpt only Tapes: 106 min. (Au) MC --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- II.D 1987 Week 34: Misc. Material .87 A Time for Heroes (Orpheum 12' & CD5) .87 OST: Canyon Dreams (session tape) 90 min. (SB) .87 OST: City of Shadows / Nightmare City 69 min. (TV) .87 OST: Game of Love/Tonight's the Night 17 min. (TV) .87 OST: Red Nights 44 min. (Vid) Week 35: The Berlin Show 8.1.87 Berlin (Reichstag) (rebroadcasts+interviews: 8.23.87 & 10.22.87) Official release: Live Miles Boots: Anarktis (CD) part 1 20th Century Seranades (CD) part 2 Tapes: 138 min (FM transcription tapes?) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Phase III; The DAT Years (low variability of tour program, little or no improvisation) Part A: 1988 North American Tour (Optical Race) Week 36: 1988 N. American Tour, all dates 8-9.??.88 unknown location 5 min. (SB) 'House of the Rising Sun' Boots: Alien Air Music (CDR) Live in the USA 7' 8.25.88 Chicago (Hoffman Estates Poplar Creek Music Theater) 110 min. (Au) 8.26.88 Milwaukee (Riverside Theater) 110min. (Au) 8.28.88 Columbus (Ohio Theater) Boots: Ardem-O CD (parts 1-2) Collected Endings (part 3) Tapes: 97 min. (Au) 8.30.88 Cleveland (Nautica Stage) 110 min. (Au) 8.31.88 Detroit (Pine Knob Theatre) 106 min. (Au) 9.1.88 Toronto (Massey Hall) 122 min. (Au) 9.2.88 Montreal (La Ronde) 105 min. (Au) 9.3.88 Quebec City (L'Agora) 110 min. (Au) 9.6.88 Boston (Somerville Theater) 109 min. (Au) (NOT spherical harmonics) 9.7.88 New York (Radio City Music Hall) Boots: Sounds & Effects (excerpt) Tapes: 113 min. (Au) 9.8.88 Washington DC (Kennedy Center) 120 min. (Au) 9.9.88 New Haven (Palace Center) (not Boston ;-) Boots: Spherical Harmonics 1 + 2 Tapes: 115 min. (SB?) 9.10.88 Philadelphia (Tower Theater) 116 min. (Au) 9.14.88 Sarasota (Van Wezel Audiotorium) 94 min. (Au) 9.15.88 Miami (Cameo Theater) 91 min. (Au) 9.16.88 New Orleans (McAlistair Auditorium) 110 min. (Au) 9.18.88 Dallas (Starplex Amphitheater) 115 min. (Au) 9.21.88 San Diego (Auditorium) 110 min. (Au) 9.22.88 Los Angeles (Wiltern Theater) 110 min. (Au) 9.23.88 Los Angeles (Wiltern Theater) 110 min. (Au) 9.24.88 Berkeley (Berkeley Community Theater) 105 min. (Au) 9.27.88 Seattle (Paramount Theatre) 120 min. (Au) 9.28.88 Vancouver (Queen Elizabeth Hall) 113 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- III.B 1989-1991 Misc. Material Section 1: Misc. & The 1990 Berlin Show Week 37: 3.??.89 House of the Rising Sun (Reflex single) .89 Lost Tale (KLEM CD) 2.23.89 Germany (Schwingungen) 90 min. (FM) .90 OST: Rainbow Drive 21 min (Vid) 2.20.90 Berlin (Werner-Seelenbinder Halle) 106 min. (FM) .91 OST: Metropole Berlin 19 min. (TV) ----------------------------------------------------- Section 2: 1990 UK Tour (Melrose) Week 38: 1990 UK Tour, all dates 10.25.90 Worthing (Assembly Hall) 117 min. (Au) 10.26.90 London (Hammersmith Odeon) 118 min. (Au) 10.27.90 London (Hammersmith Odeon) 104 min (Au) 10.28.90 Manchester (Apollo Theatre) 122 min. (Au) 10.29.90 Nottingham (Royal Center) 110 min. (Au) 10.30.90 Sheffield (City Hall) 100 min. (Au) 10.31.90 Edinburgh (Playhouse) 70 min. (Au) 11.2.90 Bradford (St. George's Hall) 115 min. (Au) 11.3.90 Wolverhampton (Civic Hall) 119 min. (Au) 11.4.90 Oxford (Apollo City Hall) 84 min. (Au) 11.6.90 Bristol (Colston Hall) Boots: Bicycle Race (LP) 'Singet denn ...' (LP) In den Gaerten Pharaos CD (aka: Pharaos Garden, Realm of Nightmares) Antarktis (CD) -- excerpt Persistence of Vision (3CDR) -- excerpt Tapes: 110 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- III.C 1992 N. American Tour (Rockoon) Official Releases: 220 Volt Live (CD) Dreamtime (CD5) 3 Phase (Vid/LD) Week 39: 1992 North American Tour, all dates 1992 N. American Tour (unknown venue) 16 min. (Au) Boots: Prayer of Quiet Dreams -- excerpts 10.4.92 Toronto (Music Hall) 60 min. (Au) Boots: Dreaming on Danforth Avenue CD 10.5.92 Montreal (Salle Wilfrid-Pelletier / Place des Arts) 120 min. (Au) 10.8.92 Boston (Berklee Performing Arts Center) 135 min. (Au) 10.9.92 New York (The Beacon Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.10.92 Philadelphia (Tower Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.13.92 Washington DC (Lisner Auditorium) 125 min. (Au) 10.14.92 Columbus (Palace Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.15.92 Baltimore (Shriver Hall) 120 min. (TV) 10.16.92 Highland Heights, Ohio (Front Row Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.17.92 Chicago (Old Vic Theater) 120 min. (Au) 10.20.92 Detroit (Fox Theatre) 120 min. (TV) 10.28.92 San Juan Capistrano (Coach House) 120 min. (Au) 10.30.92 Los Angeles (Wiltern Theatre) 116 min. (TV) 11.01.92 Ventura (Ventura Theater) Boots: 1992 North American Tour 2CDR Tapes: 120 min. (Au) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- III.D 1995 Week 40: 7.12.95 Los Angeles (SIR Theatre) 'Xsess Living Magazine' premiere (CDR) Boots: The Miramar Years (CDR) Tapes: 45 min. (Au + Vid) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- III.E 1996 Week 41: 11.30.96 London (Shepherd's Bush Empire Theatre) Boots: Persistence of Vision (3CDR) Tapes: 35 min. (Au) (soundcheck) 153 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- III.F 1997 Section 1 1997 European Tour & Boots Week 42: All 1997 Continental European Tour Dates ?? 4.9.97 Vienna (Museumsquartier) 140 min. (Au) ?? 4.10.97 Stuttgart (Philharmonie) 140 min. (Au) 4.11.97 Bonn (Beethovenhalle) Boots: (rumored) Tapes 135 min. (Au) 4.12.97 Munich (Circus Krone Bau) 140 min. (Au) 4.13.97 Erlangen (Stadthalle) 140 min. (Au) 4.15.97 Hamburg (Musikhalle) 140 min. (Au) 4.16.97 Berlin (Hochschule der Kuenste) 170 min. (Au) 4.17.97 Hannover (Musikhalle) 140 min. (Au) 4.18.97 Frankfurt/Neu-Isenberg (Hugenottenhalle) Boots: Goblins Live Club Box Tapes: 150 min (Au + Vid) 4.19.97 Brussels (Ancienne Belgique) 140 min. (Au+Vid.) 4.20.97 Amsterdam (Melkweg Max) Boots: A'dam Eve (2CDR) Tapes: 143 min. (Au) ?4.22.97 Budapest (Petofi Csarnok) 4.23.97 Zabrze (Dom Muziki I Tanca) 60 min (SB) Official release: Tournado (CD) ??4.24.97 Prague (Sky Club) 6.13.97 Warsaw (Ice Stadium) 60 min. (FM) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Section 2: 1997 UK Tour Week 43: All 1997 UK Tour Dates 10.29.97 Bristol (Colston Hall) 140 min. (Au) 10.31.97 Nottingham (Usher Hall) 140 min. (Au) 11.1.97 Glasgow (Royal Concert Hall) 140 min. (Au) 11.2.97 Leeds (Town and Country Club) 140 min. (Au) 11.3.97 Birmingham (Symphony Hall) 140 min. (Au) 11.4.97 Manchester (Apollo Theatre) 140 min. (Au) 11.6.97 London (Shepherd's Bush Empire) 140 min. (Au) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- III.G 1998 North American Tour Week 44: All 1998 North American Tour Dates [3.27.98 New York (Irving Plaza)] [3.28.98 Washington DC (9:30 Club??)] [4.1.98 Los Angeles (The Palace)] [4.3.98 San Francisco (Maritime Hall)] Week 45: Addendum Any material remaining to be discussed or any additional 1998 tours ... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 5:53 am Subject: Re: Music from the 21st Century ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS t > Really-From: PENFOLD > > At 13:36 9801.27 -0500, tadream mailing list wrote: > >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >Neil Norman/Tangerine Dream: Music From The 21st Century > > > >What is this? They had no info on it. > > Various artists are featured on this w/ one track by TD, being 'Tangram > Set 1' > buy this one only if you are one of those compleatist TD collectors. > > GNP (record producer) still has this title available if anyone needs it. The Cd has tracks unavailable elsewhere by Steve Roach and Richard Burmer as well. Since Neil Norman basically runs GNP it's safe to assume that this is why they now have the rights to the release. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 6:06 am Subject: Re: TD's Success Due to Quantity Over Quality? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:26:21 -0800 you said: > >Subject: Re: 90's TD > >From: tadream mailing list > >Really-From: 'willfred' > > > >[. . .] and everything that i have read states that edgar and co. are > >doing quite well financially from the corporate entity known to us as > >' Tangerine Dream '. just my opinion. > > If for no other reason than to provide a little objectivity--not > just a chance to play devil's advocate--it could easily be argued at > this point that TD might be 'doing quite well financially' because of > the sheer *quantity* of available material, not the *quality* thereof. I have to agree with Steve here. TD has so many releases out, heck they beat out groups like Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, etc. The few musicians I found to have more material than TD were only composers such as Jerry Goldsmith or Ennio Morricone. Edgar can now live off the royalties of his never-ending assortment of releases, soundtrack, solo, studio or live. The sad truth to all of it is that to have so many releases quality HAS to suffer. Can we say...Goblin's Club? Turn Of The Tides? Zoning? Deadly Care? Etc, etc. Heck, even if they retired they still have libraries of endless hours of good stuff AND garbage. Sadly, we'd almost all buy anything released from Edgar & co's past archives....& they know it. Remix this, remix that...TD fans will buy it. Reminds me of the Marvel way. Hey, die cut comic covers, bagged limited this & that, multiple covers! They'll buy it! They're stupid comic fans! Guess what, they were right. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jan 26, 1998 10:01 am Subject: Re: Desert Vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Aured Azhallein Rancuel >On the flights to and from LA the boarding video was a thing called >Desert Visions This was a Canyon Dreams-like affair from Miramar >with incredibly TD-esque music Does this have anything to do with >TD? The music was sensational The music was done by David Lanz and Paul Speer, definately an awesome album IMO, I've been listening to the album for 5 years and only recently found out it was made for a video when I bought Canyon Dreams (the album makes no mention of the video or Mirimar, is Narada afraid of the competition???), there is a similar album (also by Lanz and Speer) called Natural States (also with a Mirimar video) that has similar synth/Paul Speer Guitar Wails on it. Incidentally if it weren't for Desert Vision I probably would never have been hooked on this genre of music and would not have discovered TD :) -Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 5:23 am Subject: Re: Modern Day Kick Butt TD Song ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Modern Day Kick Butt TD Song > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 8:54 PM > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' > > > >> >if there was a modern day kick butt TD song, I'd have to > >> >go for 'Living in a Fountain Pen' as my fav. > > > >I think Oasis is really good, you might disagree. > > 'Flashflood' on Oasis (or the even better live version on Tournado) will get > my irrevocable vote. An excellent counterpart for 'Shadow Flyer' on Canyon > Dreams. I always think if 'Flashflood' is made to a TV commercial for > airline company, this will definitely beat Yanni's 'Aria' for British > Airways. Or a combination of 'Streethawk' and 'Flashflood'?? > > Jeffrey Definately, 'Flashflood' was great on Tournado, although I would have loved to hear 'Waterborne' live too.. 'Zion', for me, shares a lot from the past with it's very straght foreward sequencer structure and heavy ambient vocal-like synth notes. This sounds wonderful on a sound system with deep bass. When we talk about original melody structures from older TD, this IMO is the most simmilar to that older style. With a break mid song, the sequencer seems to bubble back up into the song.. 'Cliff Dwellers', while being more modern in structure and melody, is a good track in itself. It perfectly fits where it's coming from. I am certainally glad the percussion/drumming is no so popish as in other albums. There's a lot more flavor and it mixes with each song better. 'Summer Storm' is like a mix between 'The Dream Mixes', and and ambience of 'Goblin's Club' It's not danceish, it has the ole harpsichord, but it's pretty good.. the variance of sound effects, sound ideas, and how it all glues together is very good. I'm happy to see Edgar and Co. sampling new stuff! 'Hopi Mesa Heart' Is difficult to describe... when I listen to this track, I forget all about electronics, or sounds produced on electronic machines.. it's all so natural to the setting. Living in the desert for 7 years, I love every track TD has done in reference to the Southwest. 'Chia Maroon' (The Bonus Track) Is very good.. notably the percussion, more modern.. long synth melodies that sound great. A very stately sound that is driving like 'Logos Blue' Wish it lasted longer! Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 1:22 pm Subject: Re: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:47:57 -0500, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > >dreamers >I've attached some comments about tape trees that arose in the context of a >private email exchange with another listmember. since I haven't requested >his permission to quote, I'll keep his comments to a minimum and not name >him. my reason for posting this material to the list is because he raises >some very pertinent questions for our discussion of the upcoming tape trees >and I think it might benefit the list discussion to post it here. The >comments made represent my own opinions > These were my stupid comments, Lars, so I'll 'fess up to them.... >lars >---------------------------------------------------- > >Hi [...] >[...] you raise some very good questions; in fact, I think I'm going to >forward an excerpt of this reply to tadream because it is pertinent to the >general discussion (since I haven't asked permission to quote your private >mail, I'll not include your name; I hope that's OK) > >[...] >>I'm not sure whether you want to run a tape tree >>based on the 'official' boots or the original tapes (some of them seem >>to be VERY rare! [...] >-- I expect that most of these original tapes are held by people not on >tadream [...]. I also think that many of these official boots are rather >rare (ie Live! Improvised!) and not owned by that many list members as >well. My preference would be to provide tapes to whomever might want >them... but then we'll have to see how many people really do want them. > Well, I *MAY* have some of the really rare stuff, so it shouldn't be a problem, uh..., if I ever considered collecting b**ts. My biggest comment about copying from the boot CD's/CD-R's vs. tapes is that some CD's won't necessarily transfer to tape too well due to time limitations on a tape. Take 'Live! Improvised!', for example (hypothetically speaking, of course!). Disc one, 46:30, disc two, 38:00. Obviously, side one won't 'quite' make it onto tape. So, how do we deal with this? 120 min. cassettes would work, but I can't attest to the quality of the recording. Things like Undulation (Soundtrack for Fantasy, 43:25) would fit on a 90 minute tape, but only the first side. Other stuff, like 3-Tier Dream, are *supposedly* a mess to copy to tape (side 2 is 67:29, uh, so I hear). I think that the 'sources', if we're to distribute from the b**ts, need to agree what 'll be on the tapes as multiple items can be packed onto extra length tapes if required. Longer items need to be 'folded over onto additional tapes. There ARE break points for every TD b**t CD that will work (hell, it's not KS we're talking about!!!) but I think that the releases should be consistent across the tree. Let me know what you think. >--> OK listees, what is your opinion, should we restrict these tape trees >to only live-tape sources or should we also run tape trees from certain CD >boots???? It would be a relatively easy task to run a 'tape tree' to >distribute tapes of these boots. for example, if 20 people with the >particular cd each made 3 copies, that would make 60 direct tape copies, >probably plenty. If it's tape only, I'm scr*wed. I go from a *hypothetical* source to a leaf in the tree. Doing both doesn't make all that much sense due to the overlap between the tape/b**t recordings. Perhaps we could start with the b**ts and then fill in the blanks with the stuff that never made it to production. This would keep everyone happy as those of us who *may* have some b**ts may not have the remaining concert tapes and everyone else can benefit from whatever gets sourced. >>Let me know a little more about how you envision the tape tree >>working. >-- typically, the original/parent/master source makes somewhere between 2 >and 5 (1st generation) copies and passes them along to the first level of >branches; these first-level branches also make 2-5 (2nd generation) copies >each and pass them along to the second level of branches; these >second-level branches then make 2-5 copies each and pass them along to the >third level branches and so on until you reach the leaves (final >recipients). > >If we are running a primarily analog tape tree and we want to maintain >substantial generational 'purity,' we'll have to run horizontal trees where >each branch makes at least 4-5 copies (depending on the level of >participation/demand). Thus, if we run a 4 level tape-tree from a master >tape and each person made 5 analog copies, that would create 5 >1st-generation copies, 25 2nd-generation copies, and 125 3rd-generation >copies; or 155 copies in all -- probably more than enough to satisfy every >person on tadream who wants a copy... > >If we run a vertical tree, each person has to make only a 2-3 copies and we >need a lot more generations (at 2 copies each, a 4-level tree would produce >only 14 total copies; we would need 8 levels to make 128 tapes at 2 copies >each); the vertical method works well for digital media where generational >degradation is not as significant an issue as in analog copies. Although a >list member once told me that unless you have the right equipment, passing >the stereo signal through a PC sound card can subject it to lots of >interference and added noise and may result in cdr copies that are no >better than high-speed tapes dubs made on a poor tape deck; of course I'm >not a cdr wizard so I can't verify this, maybe someone else can? > This makes a lot of sense, I would suggest the former version since it's pretty quick to get the dirty deed over with. >>It seems a bit expensive to be a source if you don't get your >>costs covered [...] >The cost to a source would only be their time. The cost to each person >should be only the cost of 1-2 blank tapes (or blank cdrs if we do any >digital stuff) plus the postage & packing to send them and have them >returned. > >How I personally envision these tadream tape trees working would be for >each branch member to send their parent-branch the blank tapes and a >self-addressed, stamped padded mailer for the tape's return (minimize your >parent's work load please). I don't think we need to worry about live-tape >trades or 2:1 trades; these trees should be purely about distributing the >music and each person basically donates their time to make 2-5 tapes. > Well...I guess you just raised my IQ my 20 points (now competing with a particle board). I thought I had to donate the #$%#$^%$ tapes to send to people beneath me in the tree. Kill me now!!!! >(Purely non-profit) No joke! This is a 1:1 type trade, even for those of us who paid a few bucks to source the items in question. Just my 2 cents. -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, The courage to change the things I can and The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really ticked me off!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 6:47 am Subject: mill valley 86, does this tape exist?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@c...> Subject: mill valley 86, does this tape exist?? >>dreamers reading over some recent info, I saw a reference to the 'one-off Mill Valley Film Festival concert of Nov. 15, 1986' yet I don't see this tape= listed on any list that I know of... does it really exist??????? can anyone help, please? thanks lars<< The show existed, I was there, but so far as I know there are no tapes exist. The show was for the Mill Vally Film Festival, but it was actually at the Warfield Theater in San Francisco. The show was titled Music in the Movies and consisted of speeches, a video showing how a soundtrack is edited onto a film (The film they used to show this was Amadeus, it was really quite interesting) and some music performed by various artists. Tangerine Dream played for about 40 minutes, and closed the show. They played music from various soundtracks with the film projected above them. Love on a Real Train never looked or sounded better. Also played was Diamond Diary from Thief and some music from Legend. I believe this was Chris's last U.S.A. played show. Edgar was very impressive. He introduced a short tribute piece to Amadeus describing the movie as having a soundtrack that all present wished they had the ability to have scored. The show probably wasn't well attended by TD fans because it was pretty expensive and promoted in a way that made it confusing as to whether TD would actually be present or if some of their music was just being played there. I suggested in an issue of TDIFC that TD do a show like this, with live music played and clips from the movies projected above them. The answer was 'They'd love to do it but problems with copyright...bla bla.....' Oh well. :-( Hummm, just a thought, Stewart Copland, Adrian Belew, and Stanley Clarke formed a group which performed at the show. Perhaps one of their fans made a tape, and left it running for TD. Might be worthwhile to check this out amongst fans of these artists. >>Bob<< Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10412 Re: mill valley 86, does this tape exist?? Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB 10424 Re: mill valley 86, does this tape exist?? Jim Moore Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 6:47 am Subject: Fw: (kw) RE: Award ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' It seems Dream Mixes is a halfway hit with the Kraftwerk crowd. Maybe.. It goes to prove that comparing the two groups isn't really a viable thing to do... Greg H.. ____________________________________________________________ > On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, ROBOT wrote: > > > > From: Elias Granillo, Jr. > > > > and one-one-thousandth as creative. > > NOT!!!! As I said in my previous post, it's a matter of personal taste. For > > my tastes, TD is nice Spacey Hippie ProgRock, but, it doesn't thrill me. > > -('Not enough rhythm.)- KW sounds more unique and creative to me- and a lot > > less 'pretentious'. If you don't like KW's minimalist mechanical style, > > fine. No one's forcing you to. It's YOUR tastebuds. To each their own. > > I'm not in any way intending to lend credence to Elias's blasphemous > comments by saying this... I will say that people who, like me, aren't > turned on by Tangerine Dream should at least give the Dream Mixes disc a > try. It's almost listenable in some places. It has something resembling a > rhythm, even! > > /* Soleil 'Ra' Lapierre www.cuug.ab.ca/~lapierrs > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@x... with 'info kraftwerk' in the message. > # Postings must go to kraftwerk@x... -- replies go to original sender. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 9:59 am Subject: re: Kraftwerk vs. TDream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'willfred' ahhhhhhh............... well, let's see i am a kraftwerk fan ( faves: RALF AND FLORIAN & TRANS-EUROPE EXP. ), but just because they used to be a big revenue generator does not make them of any more value than madonna. i believe we are all discussing, in our own ways, the ineffable qualities the music seems to have for us. and for me, over the last seventeen years tangerine dream has provided more emotional and intellectual gratification than kraftwerk. this does not mean i do not respect kraftwerk's synthesiis of image, marketing, and music ( and believe me, a boatload of people noticed ), but at the end of the day the music is, for me, the most important thing. and judging by my responses to both bands, tangerine dream is the more musiclly satisfying. hugs, bill2. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 7:17 am Subject: Re: mill valley 86, does this tape exist?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@c...> > > > Hummm, just a thought, Stewart Copland, Adrian Belew, and Stanley Clarke > formed a group which performed at the show. Now THAT sounds interesting!!!!!!! :-) E-Man > Perhaps one of their fans made > a tape, and left it running for TD. Might be worthwhile to check this out > amongst fans of these artists. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 7:33 am Subject: Re: KW Bash: another quote! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' Greg, what do you think of the quote below? Feel like forwarding it, haha? > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > This seemed interesting.. maybe flame worthy in a few areas.. > What I notice from the Kraftwerk people is the total non-understanding > that TD evolves and changes--I guess they listen to a few albums and > consider all of TD as represented on a few albums. MUSIC, COMPUTERS & SOFTWARE 11/88 {TEXT} 'During their brief first ---- and probably last ---- American tour in summer 1982, Kraftwerk dazzled and delighted American audiences with a stage set worthy of Walter Pidgeon in 'Forbidden Planet.' Unfortunately, you didn't need a Ph.D. in electrical engineering to know that a lot of the junk onstage was just props. 'Tangerine Dream's facades is not quite as false.....all of their equipment at their three computer music stations is real and in use during the performance...' What do you think? E-Man np: A tape of Conrad Schnitzler stuff that Vic made for me...this is good! Anyone who likes sequencer driven music a la Steve Roach's 'Empetus' would like this.... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10414 Re: KW Bash: another quote! Greg Heil Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 7:47 am Subject: Re: KW Bash: another quote! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > Greg, what do you think of the quote below? Feel like forwarding it, haha? Heheee, why not, maybe we can prove if this really is like it is.. Heck, I read that Kraftwerk puts plastic robots up for interviews.. I can also get a quote from an interview from Ralf Florian that was posted and sort of bashes the U.S. and proves that Kraftwerk is just another modern day techno band.. Interested for the TD list? > MUSIC, COMPUTERS & SOFTWARE 11/88 > {TEXT} 'During their brief first ---- and probably last ---- American tour > in summer 1982, Kraftwerk dazzled and delighted American audiences with a > stage set worthy of Walter Pidgeon in 'Forbidden Planet.' Unfortunately, > you didn't need a Ph.D. in electrical engineering to know that a lot of the > junk onstage was just props. > 'Tangerine Dream's facades is not quite as false.....all of their > equipment at their three computer music stations is real and in use during > the performance...' > > What do you think? > > E-Man > np: A tape of Conrad Schnitzler stuff that Vic made for me...this is good! > Anyone who likes sequencer driven music a la Steve Roach's 'Empetus' would > like this.... > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 10:29 am Subject: Re: Modern Day Kick Butt TD Song ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles I think my vote would be either 'Rough Embrace' of Dream Mixes or 'At Darwin's Motel' -once you get past that minute and a bit intro bit! Then again there's the extra track (can't remember the name) from the picture disk version if Tyranny..... Colin n.p. DM CD 1...Love the Firetongues (Break Freak) mix! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 10:46 am Subject: Re: CuBase ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: 'Jel, Gabor' > > sure in the computer type, but I mean, that the guys of T.D. don't use > PC-s for MIDI recording, because the MIDI latency is to big in the PC-s > via the 16550 (or mod.) UART-s. Todays is the Apple PowerMac the best > for MIDI recording (IMHO). > I always wondered why TD used Apple Mac/PowerMac. Always presumed it was simply because that was what the software was originally written for. If Macs have a dedicated MIDI port (instead of the PC's joystick/MIDI port) then that might explain it! Colin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 11:30 am Subject: Late 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles Judging from the responses my last question got I don't know if I really want to know this: I few of you like some of 90's stuff but one question: If you prefer the '80's albums (the 'Virgin Years'?) and also Dream Mixes (I & II) then why not Goblin's Club? I see little difference between the musical styles of either album! OK I can see how if you don't like Tryanny then you may not like GC, GC being a development of Tyranny(IMO), but the connection between DM and GC is, for me, so close that I find it difficult to see why some people like one and not the other. Just wondering..(I'm a scientist..It's my job to be curious!) Colin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10422 Re: Late 90's TD Dennis Nigbur Wed 1/28/1998 5 KB 10430 Re: Late 90's TD Colin Knowles Wed 1/28/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 1:11 pm Subject: Re: Music from the 21st Century ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) This is a great album. Is it on CD at CD-now??????? This was my first TD experience as it has the entire set of Tangram 1 on it, along with lots of stuff by pseudo-sci-fi-composer Neil Norman, and others (Steve Roach). He does lots of remakes of old sci-fi television show soundtracks. I am amazed it finally came out on CD. I recommend it. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 12:55 pm Subject: Re: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) >>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >These were my stupid comments, Lars, so I'll 'fess up to them.... -- sorry, I thought they were really good questions, my mistake? ;-) ;-) (I even think you raise some more good questions; hey, I bet you're not the only one wondering about these things ;-) >>I'm not sure whether you want to run a tape tree >>based on the 'official' boots or the original tapes [...] >My biggest comment about copying from the boot CD's/CD-R's vs. tapes >is that some CD's won't necessarily transfer to tape too well due to >time limitations on a tape. -- yes, this can be a problem with a few examples (especially CAE 1 which has a 62 minute first track, if I remember correctly) and the only answer (short of CDR copies) is to fade out, back up the source 15-20 seconds, flip the tape and fade back up; that way, if someone wants to reassemble it onto a cdr or something, at least all the material is there. >Take 'Live! Improvised!', for example (hypothetically speaking, of >course!). Disc one, 46:30, disc two, 38:00. Obviously, side one won't >'quite' make it onto tape. So, how do we deal with this? -- I would suggest using a c100, on which it fits quite nicely ;-) >120 min. cassettes would work, but I can't attest to the quality of >the recording. -- they can also be quite hard to find. I have a secret stash but won't use them (partly because they are susceptible to stretching very easily) >Things like Undulation (Soundtrack for Fantasy, 43:25) would fit on a >90 minute tape, but only the first side. >Other stuff, like 3-Tier Dream, are *supposedly* a mess to copy to >tape (side 2 is 67:29, uh, so I hear). -- I think in both of these cases, it would be best IMO to 'tree' the tape of the whole show and not just the excerpt found on the boot; in the case of L!I! (or the orange festival, or CAE 1+2, or Sonambulistic Imagery, or Antarktis + 20th Cent. Ser.), we're talking about basically the whole show as known from tapes so there is no problem. In these other cases, however, the boot has half the show or even less (IE: Acoustic LSD, Patrolling Space Borders/Laserium, Staatsgrenze west & the 1cdr boot of the 1.31.80 2nd show, and Bicycle Race). Harder cases to call are Danger Live 1+2 (lacking about 15 minutes of the whole show), Don't Walk, Dream Now (lacking about 35 minutes), etc. Thus, I think we should only tree boots of less than the whole show when 1) it is the only known source (ie: dreaming on danforth avenue?); 2) it is the only source available to us (unlikely to happen); 3) it is of much higher quality than any tape available to us. I'd very strongly advocate distributing the complete show whenever possible and I'd even suggest that it is better to have the whole show in slightly lower quality than to have only a 40 minutes excerpt of it in better quality (perhaps this is heresy for some?) Otherwise, I think boots like L!I!, Orange Festival, CAE 1+2, the paris 86 show (from 3TD +3TD ON & fits nicely on either a c90 or c100), SI, Antarktis + 20th CS, etc. should be distributed via tape trees because they are exceptional shows that every TD should have/hear. What do some of you potential recipients think? >I think that the 'sources', if we're to distribute from the b**ts, >need to agree what 'll be on the tapes as multiple items can be packed >onto extra length tapes if required. Longer items need to be 'folded >over onto additional tapes. -- yes, absolutely; filler is nice but not always a necessity; we could use these spaces to squeeze on recordings of some of the official rarities (like UT or Horns of Doom) but then we run the very real risk of incurring TD's wrath for pirating official material (even though it is otherwise unavailable). If we decide to do this, I think the decisions need to be made off-list by those running the tree and *not* discussed on-list (dub but don't tell ;-) >There ARE break points for every TD b**t CD that will work (hell, it's >not KS we're talking about!!!) but I think that the releases should be >consistent across the tree. -- agreed but this is probably more of a problem for something like CAE1. >>--> OK listees, what is your opinion, should we restrict these tape trees >>to only live-tape sources or should we also run tape trees from certain CD >>boots???? >If it's tape only, I'm scr*wed. I go from a *hypothetical* source to a >leaf in the tree. Doing both doesn't make all that much sense due to >the overlap between the tape/b**t recordings. -- This is where you'd have to make your own choice. Would you prefer, for example, a 74-minute CDR copy of patrolling space borders over an analog tape of the whole 110 minute show? -- we can certainly run a parallel digital tree for those fortunate enough to have access to burners. we can also use the CDR folks at the first level of the tree to preserve some of the generational purity of the tapes for those downstream. using the example from yesterday of a 4-level tree with 5 copies made by each branch, if we used 5 CDR people at the first level, we would end up with 5+25 1st generation copies and 125 2nd generation copies. I often think this makes far more sense than running a parallel tree. The downside of course, is that everyone would prefer to receive it on CDR but we probably just don't have enough people with both burners and the time to do this. -- just to simplify things, I'd also suggest that we establish one general tree structure and retain the same basic clusters of relationships between individuals. >Perhaps we could start with the b**ts and then fill in the blanks with >the stuff that never made it to production. -- opinions, anyone? >>(Purely non-profit) >No joke! This is a 1:1 type trade, even for those of us who paid a few >bucks to source the items in question. - - yes, these trees should only be about sharing the music with those less fortunate; nevertheless, any deals struck on the side for additional material remain subject to the economics of trading... lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10450 Re: tape trees Michael Fox Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB 10468 Re: tape trees Mike Livsey Thu 1/29/1998 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 12:56 pm Subject: additions to 'final' D:Live! tape list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I was working late and fighting f-ingcompuserve file size limits so I forgot to add the following material to our D:Live! discussion: Please add to Week 37: .91 OST: Tatort: Bis zum Hals im Dreck 40 min. (TV) Official release: I Just Want to Live.../One Night in Medina (7', CD5) Please substitute the following for Phase III, Section D, Week 40 (adds OST material): III.D 1993-1996 Misc Material Week 40: .93 OST: The Switch (TV) ??min 7.12.95 Los Angeles (SIR Theatre) 'Xsess Living Magazine' premiere (CDR) Boots: The Miramar Years (CDR) Tapes: 45 min. (Au + Vid) .96 OST: Memphis PD: War on the Streets (TV) ??min *** If anyone has tapes of The Switch or of Memphis PD, I'd appreciate arranging a trade for a copy; if you are not so inclined, could you at least post the tape times? thanks lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 1:46 pm Subject: Re: CuBase ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jel, Gabor' The Apple has'nt a dedicated midi port, but the MAC midi interface is very simple, and the UART of the MAC is much better (the UART is the heart of all serial communications e.g.: MIDI) Gabor Jel mailto:jeel@i... tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Colin Knowles > > > Really-From: 'Jel, Gabor' > > > > sure in the computer type, but I mean, that the guys of T.D. don't use > > PC-s for MIDI recording, because the MIDI latency is to big in the PC-s > > via the 16550 (or mod.) UART-s. Todays is the Apple PowerMac the best > > for MIDI recording (IMHO). > > > > I always wondered why TD used Apple Mac/PowerMac. Always presumed it was simply > because that was what the software was originally written for. If Macs have a > dedicated MIDI > port (instead of the PC's joystick/MIDI port) then that might explain it! > > Colin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 1:48 pm Subject: Re: Late 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:30:52 +0000 tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Colin Knowles > > > I see little difference between the musical styles > of either album! OK I can see how if > you don't like Tryanny then you may not like GC, > GC being a development of Tyranny(IMO), > but the connection between DM and GC is, for me, > so close that I find it difficult to see why > some people like one and not the other. Hmmm...some interesting points there. I'm not sure if I agree with the first statement, about 'Goblins' Club' being the obvious follow-up to 'Tyranny of Beauty'. On the contrary, I think that it's a major departure from the style that characterised that album, and also its predecessors, 'Turn of the Tides' and 'Rockoon'. Look at the instrumentation, for example. GC has no saxophones on it, and if there are guitar parts (much less frequent than before), they tend to be more melodic and less solo-style (e.g., on 'United Goblins Parade'). Formally, too, I think that GC is different from ToB in that it tends to blend a fairly large number of musical motifs into each piece, whereas ToB tends to elaborate on one idea and end the piece when that elaboration is more or less exhausted. Also, GC uses some mellow introduction parts to open a new piece, which ToB does not. Musically, I have the impression that slower progressions, mellower sounds, but more interjections, sequencer runs, and effects are used on GC than on ToB. Personally, I prefer Goblins' Club, although I like ToB more than I used to, after getting quite interested in it for some reason, and playing it three times in a row. I suppose the relationship between GC and the Dream Mixes is a bit more obvious. The new pieces on DM in particular, seem clearly related to it. Perhaps what people like about DM is that it moulds some of the early 90's TD (which a lot of people don't like) into a more loopy, synthy, frilly-edged 'soundscape' form which they tend to associate with TD. Therefore, friends of the 'old' TD style will probably feel more comfortable with DM than with, say, Tyranny of Beauty. Just as a matter of interest, if you argue that GC and ToB are very much alike, and that there are also loads of similarities between GC and DM, does that mean that you think of ToB and DM as derived from the same musical style? Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 1:57 pm Subject: Re: Theissen Scale Skewed: It Doesn't Have *My* Vote! :( ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:37:52 EST tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: AOutland > > > In a message dated 98-01-27 13:33:09 EST, you write: > > << 1' votes for turkeys like OPTICAL RACE, LIVEMILES, and LEGEND - >> > That low a vote for Livemiles, Steven? Whoa, son, that one's my favorite. > Them's fightin' words hoss. 8-) I've said it before and I'll say it again: if > my house were burning and I could save only one album, it would be Livemiles. > Dell It's one of my faves too. Funny enough, I also quite liked OPTICAL RACE - the title track is utter rubbish, and the instrumentation does get boring after a while, but it's still got some decent compositions and a nice oriental feel to it. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 1:57 pm Subject: Re: mill valley 86, does this tape exist?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' >Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@c...> >The show existed, I was there, but so far as I know there are no tapes >exist. The show was for the Mill Vally Film Festival, but it was actually >at the Warfield Theater in San Francisco. >Hummm, just a thought, Stewart Copland, Adrian Belew, and Stanley Clarke >formed a group which performed at the show. Perhaps one of their fans made >a tape, and left it running for TD. Might be worthwhile to check this out >amongst fans of these artists. Tangerine Dream AND Stewart Copeland at the same show! I would have paid major bucks to have gone to this... (Or course, at the time, I was only 15 years old and living in 'Smallville', Illinois, and had just begun figuring out who Tangerine Dream was...) - jim 'There's no shame in being a pariah...' -- Marge Simpson jimbo@v... is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 1:48 pm Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Year of The Tiger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' >Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' >Today is our Chinese New Year. For those who are interested in Chinese >horroscope, this year is Year of the Tiger. Check any related book to know >your fortune this year!! And I'm still writing 'Year of the Monkey' on all my checks... (Sorry... old David Letterman joke; couldn't resist.) - jim 'There's no shame in being a pariah...' -- Marge Simpson jimbo@v... is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 2:07 pm Subject: Modern Day Kick Butt TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:33:08 -0700 tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > if there was a modern day kick butt TD song, I'd have to > go for 'Living in a Fountain Pen' as my fav. > > Greg H. How about 'Virtually Fields', then? It's not the most 'beautiful' or 'intricate' composition (although by no means bad on both attributes), but considering you're talking about 'kick-butts', the sheer energy of Fields should be the relevant factor. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 2:46 pm Subject: RE: (kw) RE: Award ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I'm fed up with TD been compared to Kraftwerk just because they're both >German and produce electronic music. TD have been prolific, however, their >output has been shit. Contrast this with Kraftwerk, who've been very >selective in what they've released. It is Kraftwerk who have developed >electronic music in the most creative way possible. TD have repackaged the >same rubbish countless times. Sure, KW's creative, if you consider 45 min. of 'Beep boop' repeated ad nauseum creative. Lyrically, however, they really shine: 'Fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn, Fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn, Fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn, Fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn, Fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn, Fahren fahren fahren auf der Autobahn. . .' KW perpetuates every stereotype of electronic music, IMHO. Give me Bent Cold Sidewalk any day. I will give KW credit for one thing, though. I think they helped start the electronic minimalist synth-pop of the '80s, FWIW. (Gary Numan, New Order, etc.) Scott NP: deadradio.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: Tape Tree Request ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' Hey TaDreamers, Recently, I posted that I would be willing to coordinate a tape tree for Jerome's Radio show. So far 2 people have e-mailed me with interest in this tree. Is there anybody else out there who would like to try to get this thing going. E-mail me off list. Frank From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 3:17 pm Subject: RE: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >My biggest comment about copying from the boot CD's/CD-R's vs. tapes >is that some CD's won't necessarily transfer to tape too well due to >time limitations on a tape. >Take 'Live! Improvised!', for example (hypothetically speaking, of >course!). Disc one, 46:30, disc two, 38:00. Obviously, side one won't >'quite' make it onto tape. So, how do we deal with this? TDK-SA's run about 47:00. So if you're careful about copying it, maybe fading in the audience noise a little late, it should fit. Or, you could always use 100 min. tapes. Quality of these is equal to 90 min., since they use the same stock (according to Maxell). >120 min. cassettes would work, but I can't attest to the quality of >the recording. 110's and higher use thinner stock. Sound is OK, but durability suffers. >I think that the 'sources', if we're to distribute from the b**ts, >need to agree what 'll be on the tapes as multiple items can be packed >onto extra length tapes if required. Longer items need to be 'folded >over onto additional tapes. _All_ my stuff is on tapes, and I'm hereby volunteering my services as a. . . seedling? The problem that I've noted with boots is that they tend to not have the whole show. Of course, the boot sources are usually the lowest generation available. . . Scott NP: deadradio.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 3:26 pm Subject: Re: Late 90's TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > style that characterised that album, and also its > predecessors, 'Turn of the Tides' and 'Rockoon'. Look at > the instrumentation, for example. GC has no saxophones on > True, GC doesn't have the number of obvious guitar or sax parts that ToB does, though if you read the sleeve notes there are plenty of them. But it does make use of the same style of 'vocal' parts that ToB does. Compare 'Catwalk' with either 'Towards the Evening Star' or 'At DarwinsMotel'. Those 'vocal' samples don't appear on either the two previous (unless I've missed them!) As for 'Turn of the Tides', I think that's a complete one off-so different to the album before it (Melrose?) and the one after that I can't really find any similarities at all! > (e.g., on 'United Goblins Parade'). Formally, too, I think > that GC is different from ToB in that it tends to blend a > fairly large number of musical motifs into each piece, > whereas ToB tends to elaborate on one idea and end the > piece when that elaboration is more or less exhausted. > Again true! As a result ToB can become very boring if listened to toooften! GC is the more 'rewarding' album from that point.It might just be me, but I always get the impression that if you continue the development (in terms of use of electronic instruments (keyboards, drums etc.), arrangement etc.) from Rockoon (JF's first full album?) to ToB that little bit further you end up some where near GC. > with TD. Therefore, friends of the 'old' TD style will > probably feel more comfortable with DM than with, say, > Tyranny of Beauty. > But what about GC? > Just as a matter of interest, if you argue that GC and ToB > are very much alike, and that there are also loads of > similarities between GC and DM, does that mean that you > think of ToB and DM as derived from the same musical style? If both albums are by the same band, with the same writers in that band then how can they not be written in the same style? What I think I'm (very badly!) trying to say is that it is not impossible to see connections between ToB, GC and DM. If one assumes that most of the DM re-mixes where done by JF, and that most GC was *mainly* written by JF, then, obviously there will be connections between GC and DM. ToB is then a half way house between a GC and Rockoon. There are similarities between ToB and Rockoon through the EF tracks, and between ToB and GC through the JF tracks! Maybe the link isn't obvious, but IMO GC *is* a continuation of ToB. GC shows JF's development as composer, arranger etc. The style of tracks is similar, not identical, to those (he) wrote on ToB, the use of 'vocal' samples is consistent and his use of different drums patterns is also similar. As a (final) word: Overall, ToB and GC may not appear all that similar but maybe because ToB is more of an EF album, as GC is more of an JF album. Hope this all makes sense-music theory is *not* my strong point! Colin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 3:27 pm Subject: RE: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I'd very strongly advocate distributing the complete show whenever possible >and I'd even suggest that it is better to have the whole show in slightly >lower quality than to have only a 40 minutes excerpt of it in better >quality (perhaps this is heresy for some?) I agree. All or none. None of the TD tapes I have are of unlistenable quality (though Athens '84 comes close) so I'd prefer getting the whole thing. Scott NP: deadradio.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 4:04 pm Subject: _Oasis_, most original 90s album? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Sorry, but I have to take issue with this... _Oasis_ has to be the most heavily derivative, self-referential thing TD has done this decade (except the Mixes, which are excused because of their nature). The album is replete with structural and melodic ideas related to or derived from earlier TD, and particularly solo Froese, albums. Even the sound layering is more reminiscent of '80s than typical '90s TD. Need examples? Reflections <--> Macula Transfer (particularly 'OS 452') Cliff Dwellers <--> 'Detroit Snackbar Dreamer' Waterborne <--> a bit of something like 'Logos Blue' in here Cedar Breaks <--> if this isn't 'Mysterious Semblance' reborn, I'm an ambient monkey's uncle Summer Storm <--> Little Blonde, and Dream Mixes-like sequencers and rhythm That said, I was not at all immune to its charms. Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10440 Re: _Oasis_, most original 90s album? Plumer, Scott Wed 1/28/1998 2 KB 10447 Re: _Oasis_, most original 90s album? Marcel Engels Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB 10453 Re: _Oasis_, most original 90s album? Gabe Yedid Wed 1/28/1998 4 KB 10474 Re: _Oasis_, most original 90s album? Colin Knowles Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 4:15 pm Subject: For Sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AslanFan1 I've got three TD-related items for sale. Digital Gothic-Biography/Discogrpahy on TD $15 Chris Franke-Pacific Blue Sndtrck $10 'Rumpelstiltskin' CD-Out of print, still sealed by Tangerine Dream $25 BUY ALL THREE FOR JUST $40 If interested, please email me asap) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 11261 For Sale AslanFan1@a... Sat 2/21/1998 2 KB 13950 For Sale AslanFan1 Tue 5/26/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 4:22 pm Subject: PCH Promo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' Are there any collectors interested in a pre-release copy of _Pacific Coast Highway_? Email me if you are :-) Elias Granillo, Jr. upnsm0ke@g... 'The trouble with life in ivory towers, the seconds stretch until they fit the skins of hours' GEOFF MANN From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 4:21 pm Subject: Re: Modern Day Kick Butt TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > > > On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:33:08 -0700 tadream mailing list > wrote: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > > > > if there was a modern day kick butt TD song, I'd have to > > go for 'Living in a Fountain Pen' as my fav. > > > > Greg H. > > > How about 'Virtually Fields', then? It's not the most > 'beautiful' or 'intricate' composition (although by no > means bad on both attributes), but considering you're > talking about 'kick-butts', the sheer energy of Fields > should be the relevant factor. > > Dennis Hey Dennis, I forgot about that track.. geez.. it's my favorite off the 'Dream Mixes' disc, and most noteworthy in it's picturesque content... I believe this is mainly Jerome's work.. assuming that since his webpage is named after that song. When I first got the album, I constantly listened to that song. It is intricate in the form of the placement of sounds effects to the actual song. How the vocal patterns hit the right key, the 'breaks' where vocal recordings pop in.. an example is the flight radio.. by the time you advance that far in the song, you feel like your flying through intense locals.. then the flight recording pops in.. quite a reinforcement to that feeling! Although that voice that seems to warp around at the start and at the end could've gone elsewhere.. I assume it's one of Jerome's signatures.. Much like the foregin vocalizations on the bridge between 'Touchwood' and 'Towards the Evening Star' In another note, I heard those same exact vocalizations on a commercial here in the U.S., this is after the concert had concluded.. I thought to myself, 'Gosh, that sounds familiar!' Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 4:27 pm Subject: Re: Reims '74 - other musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-27 19:14:34 EST, you write: << Nico's set actually took place *between* the two TD sets! It was almost an hour long, and according to some reviews, too long by half... >> well, if u believe john rockwell of the nytimes, in his review he states that it was an 'extraordinary occasion'...btw, thanks scott... tom w np: gabriel at great woods 87 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 4:32 pm Subject: Re: Fw: (kw) RE: Award ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-27 19:19:55 EST, you write: << No Comment... I'm protecting this author's e-mail address :) Will this make it past the censors? >> u beat me to it...why would u protect mr. mode's address? he did post in a public forum... tom w sp: pg at great woods 87 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 4:35 pm Subject: Re: Fw: (kw) RE: Award ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-27 20:13:09 EST, you write: << Although I do count myself as a KW fan, I got off the KW list because of ill-concieved and overbearing statements like these which I found were all too common there; they seem to be hung up on KW as major artistes (said with faux flair). >> too bad...did u miss the depeche mode as 'major artistes' discussion? tom w sp: pg at great woods 87 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10445 Re: Fw: (kw) RE: Award Gabe Yedid Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB 10452 Re: Fw: (kw) RE: Award Michael Fox Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 4:42 pm Subject: Rare Cds for Auction ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AslanFan1 Tangerine Dream-Rockoon CD Single (used) Tangerine Dream-Turn of the Tides CD5 (used) Tangerine Dream-Dreamtime CD5 (used) 2 CDs of Tangerine Dream-Rumpelstiltskin (still sealed, now out of print) Make me an offer if you're interested, minimum bid on the singles is $10 each. Rumpel CD min is $25. Please email if you're interested. Thanks! -Alan Cox From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 4:54 pm Subject: RE: _Oasis_, most original 90s album? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Cedar Breaks <--> if this isn't 'Mysterious Semblance' reborn, > I'm an ambient monkey's uncle Huh? Wha? Whatchoo talkin' about? What's wrong with my book? Oh, you mean the track. Never mind. Scott NP: deadradio.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 4:49 pm Subject: Re: comments on d:live list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-28 00:01:27 EST, you write: << lars BTW: so who's gonna run those tape trees? tom? perhaps we need to take a poll of potential participants... >> i think we should do a trial run with the jerome thing, assuming a willing seed (bill clinton?) cums forth...then, i believe someone needs to post the discussion topics (ie, tours, years, whatever)...then u gotta solicite seeds for that particular era/tour/whatever...its easy enough to put together...the seeds are the difficult thing...is this clear at all??? tom w sp: pg in mansfield, ma 1987 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10444 Re: comments on d:live list Francisco Salgado C. Wed 1/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 5:02 pm Subject: Castlevania 4 & TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: 'Greg Heil' > > I actually got my fill of music by putting 'Castlevania 4' into my Super > Nintendo and listening to the synth music--which eventually brought me > here! So Nazo Nazo is my composer hero with his popish classic toons. Interesting! I think some of the C4 music is really good. Especially the song played when the background story is being told while showing the broken headstone of the Count. The delayed organ sequences and strings that are a little mellotron-ish remind me of some of TD's finest moments. Dave 'Bellmont' :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 5:13 pm Subject: Re: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-01-28 01:30:33 EST, you write: << Well, I *MAY* have some of the really rare stuff, so it shouldn't be a problem, uh..., if I ever considered collecting b**ts. ok...we have our first seed! My biggest comment about copying from the boot CD's/CD-R's vs. tapes is that some CD's won't necessarily transfer to tape too well due to time limitations on a tape. Take 'Live! Improvised!', for example (hypothetically speaking, of course!). Disc one, 46:30, disc two, 38:00. Obviously, side one won't 'quite' make it onto tape. So, how do we deal with this? um...udxl 2 100m would work quite nicely... 120 min. cassettes would work, but I can't attest to the quality of the recording. never....please... Things like Undulation (Soundtrack for Fantasy, 43:25) would fit on a 90 minute tape, but only the first side. dont be afraid of 100m tape... Other stuff, like 3-Tier Dream, are *supposedly* a mess to copy to tape (side 2 is 67:29, uh, so I hear). yes, these kinda problems are unavoidable, especially with a group like td...but, i dont think anyone will mind a tasteful fade out/in...theres enough otherwise dynamite recordings that end in the middle of songs...most of us i assume are used to it... I think that the 'sources', if we're to distribute from the b**ts, need to agree what 'll be on the tapes as multiple items can be packed onto extra length tapes if required. Longer items need to be 'folded over onto additional tapes. sure... There ARE break points for every TD b**t CD that will work (hell, it's not KS we're talking about!!!) but I think that the releases should be consistent across the tree. in alot of cases (i hope) we are not talking about cds...we're talking the real magoo...the live, unedited, unequalized, non-dolby, original honest to god, i was there recording... Let me know what you think. >--> OK listees, what is your opinion, should we restrict these tape trees >to only live-tape sources or should we also run tape trees from certain CD >boots???? It would be a relatively easy task to run a 'tape tree' to >distribute tapes of these boots. for example, if 20 people with the >particular cd each made 3 copies, that would make 60 direct tape copies, >probably plenty. If it's tape only, I'm scr*wed. I go from a *hypothetical* source to a leaf in the tree. Doing both doesn't make all that much sense due to the overlap between the tape/b**t recordings. this is a matter of opinion...and a tough one...for me, if the choice is between a 1st gen of the original and a b**t, ill take a copy of the original...but, if no one has the master of parisian dreams for example, a copy of the b**t i guess would be acceptable...again, it all comes down to seeds.... Perhaps we could start with the b**ts and then fill in the blanks with the stuff that never made it to production. or vice versa... This would keep everyone happy as those of us who *may* have some b**ts may not have the remaining concert tapes and everyone else can benefit from whatever gets sourced. >>Let me know a little more about how you envision the tape tree >>working. >-- typically, the original/parent/master source makes somewhere between 2 >and 5 (1st generation) copies and passes them along to the first level of >branches; these first-level branches also make 2-5 (2nd generation) copies >each and pass them along to the second level of branches; these >second-level branches then make 2-5 copies each and pass them along to the >third level branches and so on until you reach the leaves (final >recipients). > >If we are running a primarily analog tape tree and we want to maintain >substantial generational 'purity,' we'll have to run horizontal trees where >each branch makes at least 4-5 copies (depending on the level of >participation/demand). Thus, if we run a 4 level tape-tree from a master >tape and each person made 5 analog copies, that would create 5 >1st-generation copies, 25 2nd-generation copies, and 125 3rd-generation >copies; or 155 copies in all -- probably more than enough to satisfy every >person on tadream who wants a copy... > >If we run a vertical tree, each person has to make only a 2-3 copies and we >need a lot more generations (at 2 copies each, a 4-level tree would produce >only 14 total copies; we would need 8 levels to make 128 tapes at 2 copies >each); the vertical method works well for digital media where generational >degradation is not as significant an issue as in analog copies. Although a >list member once told me that unless you have the right equipment, passing >the stereo signal through a PC sound card can subject it to lots of >interference and added noise and may result in cdr copies that are no >better than high-speed tapes dubs made on a poor tape deck; of course I'm >not a cdr wizard so I can't verify this, maybe someone else can? > This makes a lot of sense, I would suggest the former version since it's pretty quick to get the dirty deed over with. dirty? this is a labor of love! >>It seems a bit expensive to be a source if you don't get your >>costs covered [...] >The cost to a source would only be their time. The cost to each person >should be only the cost of 1-2 blank tapes (or blank cdrs if we do any >digital stuff) plus the postage & packing to send them and have them >returned. > >How I personally envision these tadream tape trees working would be for >each branch member to send their parent-branch the blank tapes and a >self-addressed, stamped padded mailer for the tape's return (minimize your >parent's work load please). I don't think we need to worry about live-tape >trades or 2:1 trades; these trees should be purely about distributing the >music and each person basically donates their time to make 2-5 tapes. > Well...I guess you just raised my IQ my 20 points (now competing with a particle board). I thought I had to donate the #$%#$^%$ tapes to send to people beneath me in the tree. Kill me now!!!! >(Purely non-profit) No joke! This is a 1:1 type trade, even for those of us who paid a few bucks to source the items in question. Just my 2 cents. again, that should be at the discretion of the parties...why send a whole bunch of stuff when u can send me two blanks and its over? personally, ill trade for anything..even that spice girl ep... another 2 cents tom w sp: pg in mansfield ma 1987 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 5:51 pm Subject: Re: comments on d:live list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list escribió: > Really-From: TWeibre361 > > In a message dated 98-01-28 00:01:27 EST, you write: > > << lars > BTW: so who's gonna run those tape trees? tom? perhaps we need to take a > poll of potential participants... I'm willing to organize some. ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 6:20 pm Subject: Re: Fw: (kw) RE: Award ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: TWeibre361 > > > In a message dated 98-01-27 20:13:09 EST, you write: > > these which I found were all too common there; they seem to be hung up on > KW as major artistes (said with faux flair). > >> > > too bad...did u miss the depeche mode as 'major artistes' discussion? > > tom w Uhh...I don't remember that one... but I think the ultimate one had to be the time 2 or 3 people on the list tried to show that KW's oeuvre met the requirements to be a Wagnerian 'gesamtkunstwerk' ('total art work'). I think that was the time I began to come to the conclusion that list was just too full of itself. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 6:38 pm Subject: East Berlin '81 & Kiew Mission ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I have a question. I was listening to a tape from East Berlin, Aug. 29, 1981, that featured Kiew Mission, in its entirety, with vocals. I can't tell if it's the same vocallist as on Exit. Is it? Who is it? Scott NP: deadradio.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10460 Re: East Berlin '81 & Kiew Mission Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10463 Re: East Berlin '81 & Kiew Mission Jeffrey Au-Yeung Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10480 Re: East Berlin '81 & Kiew Mission Plumer, Scott Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10481 Re: East Berlin '81 & Kiew Mission Plumer, Scott Thu 1/29/1998 2 KB 10489 Re: East Berlin '81 & Kiew Mission Marcel Engels Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10492 Re: East Berlin '81 & Kiew Mission Plumer, Scott Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10495 Re: East Berlin '81 & Kiew Mission Marcel Engels Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10507 Re: East Berlin '81 & Kiew Mission Mike Livsey Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 7:29 pm Subject: Re: _Oasis_, most original 90s album? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Reflections <--> Macula Transfer (particularly 'OS 452') >Cliff Dwellers <--> 'Detroit Snackbar Dreamer' >Waterborne <--> a bit of something like 'Logos Blue' in here >Cedar Breaks <--> if this isn't 'Mysterious Semblance' reborn, > I'm an ambient monkey's uncle >Summer Storm <--> Little Blonde, and Dream Mixes-like sequencers and > rhythm Strange, I listened to Oasis 2 or 3 times and didn't find any comparison to the old age whatsoever. (macula transfer, no) Cedar Breaks = Mysterious Semblance? Standard strings = Mellotron Strings? Perfect played tune = Live played tune with Monica on knobs? I could go on... But I must confess that this is the best they did (incl. Monkeys, but thats cheating because it's got old material) in the 90s. I think everybody wants 'to hear' TD is going back, but it's not going to happen. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10453 Re: _Oasis_, most original 90s album? Gabe Yedid Wed 1/28/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 7:39 pm Subject: Re: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Take 'Live! Improvised!', for example (hypothetically speaking, of > course!). Disc one, 46:30, disc two, 38:00. Obviously, side one won't > 'quite' make it onto tape. So, how do we deal with this? Does fit on TDK SA90. I tried it. Even a few sec. left. > 120 min. cassettes would work, but I can't attest to the quality of > the recording. Don't use 120min. They're trouble. I once had a 120 min. tape. It got stuck the first time I played it. (I have Technics deck, btw) I have PC CD-burner, so I can always make CDRs. (or CD onto tape). Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... should be very interesting these live-discussions. Lars, those oranges we had in a'dam were really tasteful, don't you think? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10470 Re: tape trees Neal McAuley Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10482 Re: tape trees Jim Moore Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10502 Re: tape trees AOutland@a... Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB 10533 Re: tape trees TWeibre361@a... Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB 10578 Re: tape trees AOutland@a... Sat 1/31/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 8:30 pm Subject: Looking for writers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: David Datta Hey folks, As some of you know, I now work for the All Music Guide (as a programmer). We need people to write reviews. In particular, we need folks to write reviews for all the TD albums. I probably could write them but I am really quite lazy and don't really want to do it. We also need folks to do reviews in bands in the whole electronic genre. You can get details at: http://allmusic.com/amg/style/amgstyle.htm Feel free to forward this to other music lists you may be on. I am only posting this on tadream. -Dave Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10464 Re: Looking for writers Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 4:07 pm Subject: Re: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 07:55 AM 1/28/98 -0500, you wrote: >Otherwise, I think boots like L!I!, Orange Festival, CAE 1+2, the paris 86 >show (from 3TD +3TD ON & fits nicely on either a c90 or c100), SI, >Antarktis + 20th CS, etc. should be distributed via tape trees because they >are exceptional shows that every TD should have/hear. > >What do some of you potential recipients think? Lars/Mike, Works for me!! Let's get this puppy off the ground! Let me know what I can do. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 8:00 pm Subject: Re: Castlevania 4 & TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: Dave Brewer > > > > Quoted From: 'Greg Heil' > > > > I actually got my fill of music by putting 'Castlevania 4' into my Super > > Nintendo and listening to the synth music--which eventually brought me > > here! So Nazo Nazo is my composer hero with his popish classic toons. > > Interesting! I think some of the C4 music is really good. Especially the > song played when the background story is being told while showing the > broken headstone of the Count. The delayed organ sequences and strings > that are a little mellotron-ish remind me of some of TD's finest moments. > > Dave 'Bellmont' :-) Cool!! Someone knows what I'm talking about! :) I especially like the organ sequences -- which remind me of that small section of Force Majeure :) I like the story track as well.. :) :) This music, and Nazo Nazo, the composer, sell these CDs.. they are hot in Japan. This is the stuff that got me into E-Music If you think that analog synths are tough to work with, imagine fitting your music on about 1/4 of 8 megabits or 1/4 of half a megabyte :) With a LOT of compression. :) Greg H. Belmont Wanna-Be Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10512 Re: Castlevania 4 & TD Aured Azhallein Rancuel Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB 10545 Re: Castlevania 4 & TD feldon@p... Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB 10518 Re: Castlevania 4 & TD Greg Heil Fri 1/30/1998 4 KB 10549 Re: Castlevania 4 & TD DJS Fri 1/30/1998 5 KB 10565 Re: Castlevania 4 & TD Greg Heil Fri 1/30/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 4:07 pm Subject: Re: Fw: (kw) RE: Award ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 11:35 AM 1/28/98 EST, you wrote: >too bad...did u miss the depeche mode as 'major artistes' discussion? Many, many moons ago I got the...uh...privilege(?) of running the stage mix at a DM show. After about 2 songs, the computer(s) locked up. As many bottles and glasses hurled toward the stage, the band looked at me with a pleading look. As I was in the wing and could not be seen, I just shrugged my shoulders. They sounded terrible. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 8:54 pm Subject: Re: _Oasis_, most original 90s album? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > >Reflections <--> Macula Transfer (particularly 'OS 452') > >Cliff Dwellers <--> 'Detroit Snackbar Dreamer' > >Waterborne <--> a bit of something like 'Logos Blue' in here > >Cedar Breaks <--> if this isn't 'Mysterious Semblance' reborn, > > I'm an ambient monkey's uncle > >Summer Storm <--> Little Blonde, and Dream Mixes-like sequencers and > > rhythm > > > Strange, I listened to Oasis 2 or 3 times and didn't find any comparison > to the old age whatsoever. (macula transfer, no) The acoustic guitar arpeggios are similar to (but not as layered as) the ones that can be heard on 'OS 452'. I think this piece might be in the same key, too. > Cedar Breaks = Mysterious Semblance? > Standard strings = Mellotron Strings? There are a couple of spots where Edgar (to his credit) actually got it to sound almost like a 'Tron, to my ears, places where the spacing between notes as he goes from one to another sound almost like the 'break' you'd hear on the 'Tron. Then again, both are samples. > Perfect played tune = Live played tune with Monica on knobs? > I could go on... We're listening at 2 different levels here. You're concentrating on sounds and timbres, while I am harping on the *music* that's in their heads and on paper--structures, melodies, harmonies, and the feeling of the piece. > But I must confess that this is the best they did (incl. Monkeys, but thats > cheating because it's got old material) in the 90s. > I think everybody wants 'to hear' TD is going back, but it's not going to > happen. I'm not passing judgement on it. I'm just saying that to get _Oasis_ because it is the 'most original' '90s album is the wrong reason. Not that I *want* to hear them going back, I'm just saying it sounds derivative of their older stuff because I think it *is*, whether they intended it consciously or not. > Marcel Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 10:02 pm Subject: Tape Tree's ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS BTW: so who's gonna run those tape trees? tom? perhaps we need to take a poll of potential participants... I say we take a poll, then gathera comprehensive list of those willing to be involved, and then post a 'how to' / 'directions' manual on what is expected , i.e. what kind of tape, how it should be taped ( cdr if possible? extra cost cdr vs. tape) so we seedlings know what to do. I offer my services as a seedling right here and now. Chris From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 10:07 pm Subject: Re: Fw: (kw) RE: Award ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-01-28 16:12:41 EST, you write: << Many, many moons ago I got the...uh...privilege(?) of running the stage mix at a DM show. After about 2 songs, the computer(s) locked up. As many bottles and glasses hurled toward the stage, the band looked at me with a pleading look. As I was in the wing and could not be seen, I just shrugged my shoulders. >> hehe...i woulda put on some td.... tom w np: dubnology 2 - lost in bass From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 10:15 pm Subject: 'Old Stuff' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'John M. Poer' I know this is way off the current discussion list, but: Some of you seem to be VERY serious collectors, so, could anyone give me an idea what a copy of 'The Fassbender Memorial Concert' (10' clear vinyl) might be worth? Or a 'Flashpoint' picture disk? How 'bout a 'Staatsgrenzi West' on pink vinyl? I have an opportunity to buy some of these weird things, but have no idea what they are worth. I'm a reasonably (?) serious collector, but not completely crazy....yet. Thanks. jp From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jan 28, 1998 11:20 pm Subject: Off topic: midi player ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' Does anyone know of a midi file juke box. ie something that I can cue up a load of midi files to play without having to start each one individually. Thanks in advance for any info. (off list please) Lawry lawrysimm@u... np - Rob Essers - A Lizard's Walk (Fantastic!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10475 Re: Off topic: midi player Jel, Gabor Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: TD's Success Due to Quantity Over Quality? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:06:06 -0800 you said: >Subject: Re: TD's Success Due to Quantity Over Quality? >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: DJS > >> If for no other reason than to provide a little objectivity--not >> just a chance to play devil's advocate--it could easily be argued at >> this point that TD might be 'doing quite well financially' because of >> the sheer *quantity* of available material, not the *quality* thereof. > >I have to agree with Steve here. [. . .] The sad truth to all of it >is that to have so many releases quality HAS to suffer. [. . .] Sorry if you thought that's what I meant, because it's not: I said that Ed must be making money what with 40-odd in-print releases, *not* that some of Ed's work is lame because he cranks out too much. Sorry if I gave you or anyone else that impression, because I in no way meant to do so. My personal take on TD's 'lesser achievements' is not that Ed lowered his standards or tried less, but that it's hard to be totally objective about one's work when said work is underway and that sometimes an artist regrets releasing an album only in retrospect. As you well know, I'm not one to kiss Ed's ass, and I think that some of TD's stuff is indeed lame now and then, but I do *not* think that Ed purposely issues lame albums merely to milk the public with yet one more piece of merchandize to buy. -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: 30 YEARS OF DREAMING: TANGERINE DREAM 1967-1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, There's a new TD book on the block, listed as . . . 30 YEARS OF DREAMING TANGERINE DREAM 1967-1997 A GUIDED TOUR BY KENT BORREFJAELL ESKILDSEN 1997 This book is computer-typeset, runs to 96 pages, and has 7 7/8 x 10 3/16 for its dimensions. The author can be contacted via e-mail at , or via telephone at 98 96 85 50, or via snail-mail (US postal service) at Kent Borrefjaell Eskildsen Gl. Vennebjerg DK-9800 Hjorring Danmark The book reads much like the subjective fan patter heard on the tadream mailing list rather than the musings of a jaded rock critic, as was the case with DIGITAL GOTHIC, so it would be more appealling to the beginning fan than any other TD book, to date (and that would include Alan Vincent Michaels' THE DREAM LIVES ON!; Sonnemann, Stoeferle and Hargreaves' VOICES IN THE DUNES; Paul Stump's DIGITAL GOTHIC; and Scott Plumer's MYSTERIOUS SEMBLANCE). Perhaps the most appealling feature of the book is the frequent quotes from other sources, including the late T.D.I.F.C. (Tangerine Dream International Fan Club), BEYOND THE HORIZON, the TANGENTS booklet, DREAMS WORD (Elana's old fanzine), various radio interviews, and personal communications. The layout for this book, although simple, is probably the most aesthetically pleasing of all TD tomes, and the chatty, anecdotal prose makes you turn page after page--without getting exasperated at the lack of any real positive commentary (something that all the other TD books lack, alas). When Stump's book came out, some wit quipped that Stump mostly echoed things that had been said on the list, meaning that the book had little to offer attentive list subscribers. I disagreed with that view then, and I would defend Eskildsen's book in much the same way. To be honest, though, the latter falls prey to echoing far less frequently than the Stump book, and sometimes, there are some real gems. For instance, early on, Eskildsen says that in the late 1960s, when TD played the Berlin clubs Zodiak and Quasimodo, they often started out playing their rendition of Pink Floyd's 'Interstellar Overdrive' (from PF's very first album, PIPER AT THE GATES OF DAWN) and then continued on with improvisations which often stretched to 5 or 6 *hours*! I don't know how available this (privately-printed) book is, yet, but it's worth seeking out. Apparently, it was more widely circulated in Danish two years ago, and has only recently been translated into English and issued in a low printing. Also, I'm not exactly sure how much it costs. All I know is that it sells for 1oo d.kr.' Below is an exchange I had with Lars Jones which might help figure out how much this book will cost for American buyers: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:44:33 -0500 From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Subject: Re: Brief Commentary on 30 YEARS OF DREAMING To: Steve Feldman >Lars, > Care to give me some sort of guess what '100 d.kr.' translates to >and/or what the heck '10 =3DA3' means? (Does '10 =3D30' mean $10.00??? >That seems like almost *too* good a price . . . but then there's the >f**king postage to just about *double* it!) You'll have to ask Kent directly to spell out the word instead of using a symbol. Nevertheless, < =3DA3> usually occurs when the sign for the British pound sterling is used (and fails to make it through the tadream server). I suspect this is supposed to read 10 pounds sterling (about $17-$18 US); 100 danish kroner (d.kr.) would be about $15-$16... So, there you have it; add about $5 for airmail postage to the us and we're talking $20 - $23 US. lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10479 Re: 30 YEARS OF DREAMING: TANGERINE DREAM 1967-19 Plumer, Scott Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10581 Re: 30 YEARS OF DREAMING: TANGERINE DREAM 1967-19 AOutland@a... Sat 1/31/1998 2 KB 10665 Re: 30 YEARS OF DREAMING: TANGERINE DREAM 1967-19 Plumer, Scott Mon 2/2/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 12:06 am Subject: Re: East Berlin '81 & Kiew Mission ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > I have a question. I was listening to a tape from East Berlin, Aug. 29, > 1981, that featured Kiew Mission, in its entirety, with vocals. I can't > tell if it's the same vocallist as on Exit. Is it? Who is it? What?!?!?! I didn't even know they'd performed it live...in any variation or in its original form! I know they've played 'Pilots,' 'Choronzon,' and 'Exit,' at least, but 'K.M.'? Interesting :-) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 12:24 am Subject: Re: TD's Success Due to Quantity Over Quality? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Really-From: DJS > > > >> If for no other reason than to provide a little objectivity--not > >> just a chance to play devil's advocate--it could easily be argued at > >> this point that TD might be 'doing quite well financially' because of > >> the sheer *quantity* of available material, not the *quality* thereof. > > > >I have to agree with Steve here. [. . .] The sad truth to all of it > >is that to have so many releases quality HAS to suffer. [. . .] > > Sorry if you thought that's what I meant, because it's not: I said > that Ed must be making money what with 40-odd in-print releases, *not* > that some of Ed's work is lame because he cranks out too much. Sorry > if I gave you or anyone else that impression, because I in no way meant > to do so. My personal take on TD's 'lesser achievements' is not that > Ed lowered his standards or tried less, but that it's hard to be totally > objective about one's work when said work is underway and that sometimes > an artist regrets releasing an album only in retrospect. As you well > know, I'm not one to kiss Ed's ass, and I think that some of TD's stuff > is indeed lame now and then, but I do *not* think that Ed purposely > issues lame albums merely to milk the public with yet one more piece of > merchandize to buy. Yes, there was that point that TD was so contractually obligated, their creative plateaus may have been stretched a bit more thin than usual. *However,* they have succeeded more often than not in granting us pleasant (Tyger) if not energetic (Rockoon, Lily On The Beach) music than outright flops (can't think of anything that I really took a crap on except, GC, but this is too recent, perhaps, to be used to make my point; Oasis is fantastic, though). Sometimes pressure yields high-rising arcs in creativity. In 1987, the Tangs gave us 'Tyger,' which is a great album, but turned in two rockin' (and one not-quite-as-rockin'-but-still-essential) OST's: Near Dark (one of my faves), Three O'Clock High, and Shy People. Name a band other than TD that has given fans up to two-and-a-half hours-*plus* new music in one year. It's not easy, eh? That's something I miss, since Ed won't be doing OST's anymore. Sometimes the OST's were better than than the studio album that year (see 1987, above)! When TD were a duo of Froese/Haslinger for a while, they also turned in some gems :-) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 1:22 am Subject: Music On The 'Sun Gate' Clip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' On re-watching the Sun Gate video clip from a German TV, I noticed a short video was played before 'Sun Gate'. The TV screen showed Chris Franke and the Big Moog and a short piece of very good music. Anybody knows the source of the film and the music? Is it an extract from an existing film? Any idea? Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10490 Re: Music On The 'Sun Gate' Clip Marcel Engels Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10499 Re: Music On The 'Sun Gate' Clip Jeffrey Au-Yeung Fri 1/30/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 1:33 am Subject: Re: East Berlin '81 & Kiew Mission ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >I have a question. I was listening to a tape from East Berlin, Aug. 29, >1981, that featured Kiew Mission, in its entirety, with vocals. I can't >tell if it's the same vocallist as on Exit. Is it? Who is it? The Munich 1981 video also included 'Kiew Mission' played live. My poor black and white copy shows a long-haired lady singing the song, _pa roos ki_ of course. Have no idea if she's the same vocalist on the said concert and album. Jeffrey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 1:46 am Subject: Re: Looking for writers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: David Datta Hi, Dave! I was wondering what some of the 'prerequisites' were? I have an English degree (almost), but no computer programming experience. My server wouldn't open the web site below, either :-( Regards, Elias > > > Hey folks, > > As some of you know, I now work for the All Music Guide (as a > programmer). We need people to write reviews. In particular, we need > folks to write reviews for all the TD albums. I probably could write > them but I am really quite lazy and don't really want to do it. > > We also need folks to do reviews in bands in the whole electronic > genre. You can get details at: > > http://allmusic.com/amg/style/amgstyle.htm > > Feel free to forward this to other music lists you may be on. I am only > posting this on tadream. > > -Dave From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 4:41 am Subject: Apologies to Dano! (off topic) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' A while back, in a fit of temper, I posted some remarks that could have been construed to cast aspersions on Dano's character. Although that was certainly NOT my intent, the mere fact that I lost my temper demands an apology. I want to go on record to having said publicly that Dano's word is as good as gold. I have positive proof that he delivers exactly what he promises, when he makes promises. My apologies to you, Dano. I am eating crow big time. There! I've said it. Now I feel better. Kind regards to all, Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10508 Re: Apologies to Dano! (off topic) Mike Livsey Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 5:25 am Subject: TD plays 'Snowman'? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@c...> >>>(...)Mr. Mann also wanted to TD to adapt a theme from Eno's _Life in the Bush of Ghosts_ and 'Walking In the Air (Theme From The Snowman)' by Howard Blake! These were used as the film's beginning and end themes respectively. The reason that they weren't released on the TDI Limited Edition is that along with Logos (blue part) they do not own the rights to publish them (although a another variant of 'Walking In the Air' can be heard in 'Logos Part 2'; it's the last song in the main set.)<<< As a person who has heard 'Walking in the Air' hundreds of times....Yes, I can hear it in the 'End Theme' which is on the Blue Moon Keep boot (Terrible sound quality though, very difficult to listen to :-( ) A 'fun' tidbit, thanks for that. I don't hear it in Logos though. Also, I believe that ending in Part 2 was used in other concerts before Logos or Snowman. I love the music in 'The Snowman' and it is one of my favorite animated films. I've tried without success to find someone selling a cell from the movie. Most animation dealers here in the USA don't know what I'm talking about. (If any British fans know where I can get one, I'd be obliged :-) !!!) >>Bob<< From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 5:25 am Subject: Mill Valley Film Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@c...> > Hummm, just a thought, Stewart Copland, Adrian Belew, and Stanley Clarke > formed a group which performed at the show. >>Now THAT sounds interesting!!!!!!! :-) E-Man<< It was. REALLY kicked butt. They played before TD and were so good I thought they had 'stole the show'. Then TD performed and 'stole' it right back. Really, TD were that good!!! It would be nice if a fan tape existed, but I doubt it could capture how really excellent TD were that night. >>Bob<< Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10483 Re: Mill Valley Film Festival Dermot John Bradley Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10486 Re: Mill Valley Film Festival Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 1:39 pm Subject: Re: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:55:55 -0500, you wrote: >>Take 'Live! Improvised!', for example (hypothetically speaking, of >>course!). Disc one, 46:30, disc two, 38:00. Obviously, side one won't >>'quite' make it onto tape. So, how do we deal with this? >-- I would suggest using a c100, on which it fits quite nicely ;-) >>120 min. cassettes would work, but I can't attest to the quality of >>the recording. >-- they can also be quite hard to find. I have a secret stash but won't use >them (partly because they are susceptible to stretching very easily) Plus another half dozen comments from other members recommending c100's. Man, I've got to get with the times (my purchase of tapes last month was the first time in over a decade!). I guess I don't need to bother suggesting 8-tracks! <;-) >Thus, I think we should only tree boots of less than the whole show when 1) >it is the only known source (ie: dreaming on danforth avenue?); 2) it is >the only source available to us (unlikely to happen); 3) it is of much >higher quality than any tape available to us. > >I'd very strongly advocate distributing the complete show whenever possible >and I'd even suggest that it is better to have the whole show in slightly >lower quality than to have only a 40 minutes excerpt of it in better >quality (perhaps this is heresy for some?) > >Otherwise, I think boots like L!I!, Orange Festival, CAE 1+2, the paris 86 >show (from 3TD +3TD ON & fits nicely on either a c90 or c100), SI, >Antarktis + 20th CS, etc. should be distributed via tape trees because they >are exceptional shows that every TD should have/hear. > This is all starting to make sense, even for me. >-- we can certainly run a parallel digital tree for those fortunate enough >to have access to burners. we can also use the CDR folks at the first >level of the tree to preserve some of the generational purity of the tapes >for those downstream. using the example from yesterday of a 4-level tree >with 5 copies made by each branch, if we used 5 CDR people at the first >level, we would end up with 5+25 1st generation copies and 125 2nd >generation copies. I often think this makes far more sense than running a >parallel tree. The downside of course, is that everyone would prefer to >receive it on CDR but we probably just don't have enough people with both >burners and the time to do this. > I'm sold! (I'd need 1st generation tapes to do both; lets talk off-list about this). If people want to get CD/CD-R's of b**ts or concerts, I'd suggest that be done AFTER the initial distribution. At that point, it's everyone for themselves to figure out an appropriate deal. I like this idea a lot! (Mike, looking at his brand new CD-R burner, still in its box...It's calling to me...I now have a purpose in life...My beer's calling as well...Oh well, new purpose in life temporarily on hold, glug, glug, glug...) >-- just to simplify things, I'd also suggest that we establish one general >tree structure and retain the same basic clusters of relationships between >individuals. > The K.I.S.S. principle would make sense here since everyone's busy. >>Perhaps we could start with the b**ts and then fill in the blanks with >>the stuff that never made it to production. > >-- opinions, anyone? I think that the original poster was a dolt, a maroon, intellectually challenged etc...(self-flaming) Regards. -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, The courage to change the things I can and The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really ticked me off!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 9:32 am Subject: Re: Apologies to Dano! (off topic) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > A while back, in a fit of temper, I posted some remarks that > could have been construed to cast aspersions on Dano's character. > Although that was certainly NOT my intent, the mere fact that I > lost my temper demands an apology. > > I want to go on record to having said publicly that Dano's > word is as good as gold. I have positive proof > that he delivers exactly what he promises, when he makes promises. > > My apologies to you, Dano. I am eating crow big time. > > There! I've said it. Now I feel better. > > Kind regards to all, > > Andrew Well, thanks for the kind words Andy but no one on this list needs to apologize for anything. Skepticism is good, for it can keep one from being ripped off. Also, I wanted to thank everyone on the list for giving Eli and myself a little room to be humorous at times. Though we act like kids once in a while we're quite professional with what we do most of the time. Unfortunately, we aren't truly as young as many on this list might think. I just turned 29 today and I still feel like a kid...but I know I'm not, heh. So, thanks to everyone who, unlike other certain wanna-be-e-music list owners (& no....I ain't talkin' bout Captain Cool As Ice Dave), tolerate our off the wall humor at times, even if it does make you cry instead of laugh. ;-) Regards, Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10509 Re: Apologies to Dano! (off topic) Mike Livsey Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Neal McAuley Just my two cents... I'd much rather have a CD-R of a concert than a tape for the simple reason that I don't have a tape player anymore. Mine finally gave up the ghost a year ago and it wasn't worth repairing and since I don't have that many tapes any more, it's not worth buying another one. Cheers, Neal :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 8:52 am Subject: Happy B-Day, Dan-o! Waay off-topic! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: DJS > > being ripped off. Also, I wanted to thank everyone on the list for > giving Eli and myself a little room to be humorous at times. Though we > act like kids once in a while we're quite professional with what we do > most of the time. Unfortunately, we aren't truly as young as many on > this list might think. I just turned 29 today and I still feel like a Yowza! I forgot! Happy birthday, you old fart! Haha! (Okay, I'm 27....somewhere between, er, Greg Heil and Edgar Froese, haha!). If anyone needs help visualizing what Dan looks like, imagine Eric Clapton (with his trademark Clapton-style 5-day old growth) with a buzzed head, and you're getting close! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Okay, Dan, go ahead and rip me apart! E-Man Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10488 Re: Happy B-Day, Dan-o! Waay off-topic! TangerineC@a... Thu 1/29/1998 2 KB 10511 Re: Happy B-Day, Dan-o! Waay off-topic! Mike Livsey Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 8:57 am Subject: RE: TD Live '98? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' I was just wondering....since TD are (presumably) playing the Palace on 4/1 (hope I'm not missing some inside joke with that date), who on this list (in the southwestern region of California) are going to this Los(t) Angel(e)s concert? Elias Granillo, Jr. upnsm0ke@g... 'The trouble with life in ivory towers, the seconds stretch until they fit the skins of hours' GEOFF MANN Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10498 Re: TD Live '98? TWeibre361@a... Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10504 Re: TD Live '98? Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB 10510 Re: TD Live '98? Elias Granillo, Jr. Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB 10513 Re: TD Live '98? Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB 10515 Re: TD Live '98? Elias Granillo, Jr. Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB 10522 Re: TD Live '98? Vic Rek Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB 10523 Re: TD Live '98? Plumer, Scott Fri 1/30/1998 2 KB 10530 Re: TD Live '98? Jim Moore Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB 10535 Re: TD Live '98? TWeibre361@a... Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 9:34 am Subject: Fw: (kw) Tangerine Dream / Kraftwerk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > From: Adam Schefflan > To: kraftwerk@x... > Subject: Re: (kw) Tangerine Dream / Kraftwerk > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 6:58 PM > > > I think we're comparing apples and oranges again, folks. TD's more 'new > agey,' or contemporary instrumental, while KW is more pop-oriented. I'm a > fan of both groups, but KW's the real gods. More people listen to > pop-oriented music rather than new age, so it's obvious in this case why > KW has been more influential. > You have a point here, some of TD's ideas are New Ageish.. in fact, TD's earlier experimental stuff wasn't really rock. Those like 'Zeit' which aim to find the field of visualization and sculpture is a New Ageish idea.. Of course we can't forget the ultimate New Age album-- 'Exit' or the kind of New Ageish 'Le Parc.' I believe a number of German musicians are into a New Age type of sound, of course, the variation of quality and style in this category makes a genaral 'bashing' of this category of music seem a little senseless. Sure, there is Yanni and 'The Amazing Soundsof Raindrops', but then there's Acoustic Alchemy, TD, and Cusco; all very good groups in their own ways. > BTW, TD's 'Poland,' that live album you mentioned, Mark R., from 1984, is > actually a brilliant piece of work. And, anyway, Klaus Schulze's much > better than TD. Peace. Thanks for giving Poland credit, I consider it the real last TD longplay masterpeice. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 9:49 am Subject: Re: _Oasis_, most original 90s album? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles Listened to again last night a couple of times. Reminds me of a EF solo album, very 'open' sound, not as cluttered you could say as other 90's albums. Don't know about comparisons with other songs but had the impression that most of it, maybe not 'Flashflood', would sit perfectly happily on 'Beyond the Storm' or similar. As to the best stuff from the 90's?...Not for me. Sounds too much like the worst bits from the 80's for my liking. That may change once I get round to seeing the video though! Colin n.p. Beyond the Storm CD1 (Can't stand CD2!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 9:44 am Subject: Re: Off topic: midi player ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jel, Gabor' Hi! The Cakewalk Pro Audio 6.0 has an built in MIDI JukeBox, you can create playlists with it. Gabor Jel jeel@i... tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' > > Does anyone know of a midi file juke box. ie something that I can cue up > a load of midi files to play without having to start each one > individually. > > Thanks in advance for any info. (off list please) > > Lawry > lawrysimm@u... > > np - Rob Essers - A Lizard's Walk (Fantastic!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 5:14 pm Subject: RE: Theissen poll skrewed up ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Armin Theissen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10477 Re: Theissen poll skrewed up Armin Theissen Thu 1/29/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 5:14 pm Subject: RE: Theissen poll skrewed up ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >>[Image] 1) Force Majeure >>[Image] 2) Logos >>[Image] 3) Encore > > For *this* TD fanboy, the fact that RUBYCON is not listed among >the above automatically nullifies the validity of the survey. > sorry for this, but the poll shows an average over very different tastes in music. Given the numerous good TD albums makes it also unavoidable that some really good stuff misses a top 3 - and a top 5 or 10 would be more satisfactory then... Also interesting in a poll is the controversity of some albums, i.e. equal distribution from 1 to 5 ratings, or, as would be the most controversial album, equal number of 1 and 5 and no 2,3, or 4... > >> 'FIFE::'@MSIM.CO.UK Thu Jul 6 07:16:52 1995 >[all the listings in between the first and last have been snipped] >> ahti@w... Tue Dec 12 01:50:56 1995 > > Aha! *Now* I see: somehow, somebody f**ked-up and my votes were >never received!!! No *wonder* the votes were so exasperatingly off! >These vote numbers have pissed me off for years, and *now* I know why! >Feh! No smileys from *me*! :( Do you mean that you sent in your votes and they weren't included here? I thought I made it sure that nobody is missing. Maybe a mail got lost when I moved to Spain mid 95...their computers crashed a lot. If I get the time (what???), I might consider starting a new round. armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 1:43 pm Subject: Happy birthday ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Well Dan Youre getting OLD! :-DDD ( Spealing a 42 year old teenager) Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 1:52 pm Subject: RE: 30 YEARS OF DREAMING: TANGERINE DREAM 1967-1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > 30 YEARS OF DREAMING > TANGERINE DREAM 1967-1997 > A GUIDED TOUR BY > KENT BORREFJAELL ESKILDSEN > 1997 Let me add my opinion on this. Very nice book. Not as packed with info as my book or Voices, but a much more pleasant read. It gives the TD history a little better than the other books, and goes through each album individually and gives some background on each. Little mention is made of concerts, boots or live tapes, so I'd say it's aimed at the less fanatic TD enthusiast. There are several nice pictures, some in color, and the cover of each album is also shown. One complaint I had about that, though, is that the CD covers are used, rather than the original LP covers. In several cases, the artwork is different, or the artisit & title are added to the border or the CD cover, thus shrinking the artwork. It would be interesting to compare the LP & CD covers, I think, especially ones like Tyger and LiveMiles, which have been substantially changed. All in all, it's an excellent book that I heartily recommend. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 1:55 pm Subject: RE: East Berlin '81 & Kiew Mission ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> I have a question. I was listening to a tape from East Berlin, Aug. 29, >> 1981, that featured Kiew Mission, in its entirety, with vocals. I can't >> tell if it's the same vocallist as on Exit. Is it? Who is it? >What?!?!?! I didn't even know they'd performed it live...in any variation >or in its original form! I know they've played 'Pilots,' 'Choronzon,' and >'Exit,' at least, but 'K.M.'? Interesting :-) My tape collection isn't exhaustive, but that seems to be the only show at which it was played. It was a one-off, a 'Free Concert for Disarmament and World Peace,' held at the Palast der Republik. Of course, if you had my book you'd know all that already. :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 1:57 pm Subject: RE: East Berlin '81 & Kiew Mission ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >What?!?!?! I didn't even know they'd performed it live...in any variation >or in its original form! I know they've played 'Pilots,' 'Choronzon,' and >'Exit,' at least, but 'K.M.'? Interesting :-) They've also played bits of 'Remote Viewing,' but never the whole thing, as far as I know. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 2:09 pm Subject: Re: tape trees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' >Really-From: Neal McAuley >I'd much rather have a CD-R of a concert than a tape for the simple >reason that I don't have a tape player anymore. Mine finally gave up the >ghost a year ago and it wasn't worth repairing and since I don't have >that many tapes any more, it's not worth buying another one. I'll second this... I sold mine off last year when I realized my turntable was getting more usage than my cassette player... - jim 'There's no shame in being a pariah...' -- Marge Simpson jimbo@v... is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 2:32 pm Subject: Re: Mill Valley Film Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dermot John Bradley Robert Forman wrote: > > > Hummm, just a thought, Stewart Copland, Adrian Belew, and Stanley Clarke > > formed a group which performed at the show. > > >>Now THAT sounds interesting!!!!!!! :-) > > E-Man<< > > It was. REALLY kicked butt. They played before TD and were so good I > thought they had 'stole the show'. Then TD performed and 'stole' it right > back. Really, TD were that good!!! It would be nice if a fan tape existed, > but I doubt it could capture how really excellent TD were that night. Stewart Copeland, Stanley Clarke and someelse (female) formed a group called House of Love in the late 80s/early 90s. I have a CD single of theirs somewhere ('There's a Spy in the House of Love' was the track). I've always enjoyed Copeland's work (Rumblefish, Equalizer, B5 film). Dermot -- Dermot Bradley bradley@o..., bradley@d... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 2:36 pm Subject: WTB: Man Inside ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mitchell Dvoskin Hi, I am looking to purchase on CD, (and have not been able to find): Tangerine Dream The Man Inside Rumpelstiltskin These are the only 2 official TD releases that I know about that I do not have. Anyone with one for sale, please e-mail me off-list with a price. I am also looking for: Wavestar Moonwind Much Thanks, /Mitchell mdvoskin@j... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 3:46 pm Subject: Missed digest ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: spidey Hi Dreamers, could someone forward digest #174 to me? Thanks, Oscar odean@c... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 5:51 pm Subject: Re: Mill Valley Film Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > thought they had 'stole the show'. Then TD performed and 'stole' it right > > back. Really, TD were that good!!! It would be nice if a fan tape existed, > > but I doubt it could capture how really excellent TD were that night. > > Stewart Copeland, Stanley Clarke and someelse (female) formed a group > called House of Love in the late 80s/early 90s. I have a CD single of > theirs somewhere ('There's a Spy in the House of Love' was the track). > > Dermot Actually, that group was called Animal Logic. Two friends went to one of their L.A. shows back then :-) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 3:03 pm Subject: Oasis video ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) Just a quick note to say that I finally picked up a copy of the Oasis video (about $18, at Tower Records) and highly recommend it to anyone who enjoyed the Canyon Dreams video. Oasis is not simply a repeat of the same type of scenes in Canyon Dreams. It does feature the prominent use of time-lapse photography, as in Canyon Dreams, but there's a lot more 'play' with light and composition. The music meshed well with the video. As a photographer and music enthusiast, I found the Oasis video very rewarding. For those of you (myself included) who have visited places in the U.S. southwest that are featured in this video, such as Zion National Park, it brings back pleasant travel memories. One side note for those looking for this video in retail outlets like Tower. If you shake your head in dismay at the way TD and other e-music artists get categorized into 'New Age' or some other non-descriptive bin, you may have a fit when it comes to finding videos such as Oasis. I managed to find ONE copy wedged between a bunch of dumb music videos from that *%$#&@! annoying UK band of the same name. Just shoot me. X-P Regards, Erik Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10493 Re: Oasis video Vincent Goudreault Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10494 Re: Oasis video Vincent Goudreault Thu 1/29/1998 4 KB 10496 Re: Oasis video Vincent Goudreault Thu 1/29/1998 3 KB 10516 Re: Oasis video Elias Granillo, Jr. Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB 10519 Re: Oasis video Dennis Nigbur Fri 1/30/1998 4 KB 10520 Re: Oasis video Erik Sanborn Fri 1/30/1998 4 KB 10527 Re: Oasis video Erik Sanborn Fri 1/30/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 6:33 pm Subject: Re: Happy B-Day, Dan-o! Waay off-topic! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... Cool, Dan. You are only a half a year older than me. I'll be 29 in August. Tom In a message dated 98-01-29 03:53:52 EST, you write: << I just turned 29 today and I still feel like a >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 6:52 pm Subject: Re: East Berlin '81 & Kiew Mission ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' > >The Munich 1981 video also included 'Kiew Mission' played live. My poor >black and white copy shows a long-haired lady singing the song, _pa roos ki_ >of course. Have no idea if she's the same vocalist on the said concert and >album. My nice color-copy also has that long-haired lady, standing above the group. She is 'guarded' by 1 or 2 men (must check) with guns. Strange, but fantastic performance, although it would be better if they left the orchestra out, IMO. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 6:57 pm Subject: Re: Music On The 'Sun Gate' Clip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' > >On re-watching the Sun Gate video clip from a German TV, I noticed a short >video was played before 'Sun Gate'. The TV screen showed Chris Franke and >the Big Moog and a short piece of very good music. Anybody knows the source >of the film and the music? >Is it an extract from an existing film? Any idea? Hhmm, I wonder from who you got that clip! I also have that short piece somewhere and the music they played is absolutely STUNNING! You see all of the equipment, lots of 'stage-smoke', Baumann leaning over a VCS3 talking to F&F. It's too damn short! I prefer to watch that old clip then Sun Gate (ugh). Please if someone has this complete (or not, I don't mind) pleez contact me! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' Hey TaDreamers, Just got my copy of Electronic Orgy. It is an absolute must. Quality is fantastic. Great collection to have. In a dream world it would have been 5 disks long and contained Lady Greengrass, Love of Mine, The Easter Island Contest track, and Vigour, otherwise it is all there. Now, would somebody be willing to send me a hardcopy of the insert for discs 3 and 4. My did not come with one. Please do not e-mail me a list of the titles. I have them already. I would just like a copy of the insert to make my set complete. E-mail me offline if you could do me this favor. Thanks. Frank Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10610 Electronic Orgy Hermes Guzman Sun 2/1/1998 11 KB 10629 Re: Electronic Orgy Sean Montgomery Sun 2/1/1998 3 KB 10670 Re: Electronic Orgy TangerineC@a... Mon 2/2/1998 3 KB 10686 Re: Electronic Orgy Mike Livsey Tue 2/3/1998 3 KB 10981 Electronic Orgy Rainer Rutka Tue 2/10/1998 2 KB 11143 Re: Electronic Orgy BDuke25@a... Sun 2/15/1998 2 KB 11147 Electronic Orgy Tdune@a... Sun 2/15/1998 3 KB 11150 Re: Electronic Orgy Francisco Salgado C. Sun 2/15/1998 3 KB 14398 Re: Electronic Orgy Neal McAuley Mon 6/8/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 8:16 pm Subject: RE: East Berlin '81 & Kiew Mission ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>The Munich 1981 video also included 'Kiew Mission' played live. My poor >>black and white copy shows a long-haired lady singing the song, _pa roos >ki_ >>of course. Have no idea if she's the same vocalist on the said concert and >>album. >My nice color-copy also has that long-haired lady, standing above the >group. She is 'guarded' by 1 or 2 men (must check) with guns. >Strange, but fantastic performance, although it would be better if they >left the orchestra out, IMO. Guns?!?!? Maybe it was meant to be an ironic joke, since the song is supposed to be about world peace. I hope so! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 8:46 pm Subject: Re: Oasis video ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jan 29, 10:03am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Oasis video > Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) > > > Just a quick note to say that I finally picked up a copy of the Oasis > video (about $18, at Tower Records) and highly recommend it to anyone (...) Erik, does it say anywhere on the box if this video is available on Laser Disc? I assume this is a Miramar/Camera One production, right? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 9:22 pm Subject: RE: Oasis video ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS As of right now, there are no plans for Oasis on Laserdisc, but maybe DVD with the recent release of Canyon on DVD. Chris ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Thursday, January 29, 1998 3:46 PM To: tadream@c... Subject: Re: Oasis video ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jan 29, 10:03am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Oasis video > Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) > > > Just a quick note to say that I finally picked up a copy of the Oasis > video (about $18, at Tower Records) and highly recommend it to anyone (...) Erik, does it say anywhere on the box if this video is available on Laser Disc? I assume this is a Miramar/Camera One production, right? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 9:37 pm Subject: Re: East Berlin '81 & Kiew Mission ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >My nice color-copy also has that long-haired lady, standing >above the > >group. She is 'guarded' by 1 or 2 men (must check) with guns. > >Strange, but fantastic performance, although it would be better >if they > >left the orchestra out, IMO. > > Guns?!?!? Maybe it was meant to be an ironic joke, since the >song is supposed to be about world peace. I hope so! Yes, it was part of the perfomance. Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10507 Re: East Berlin '81 & Kiew Mission Mike Livsey Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 9:47 pm Subject: Re: Oasis video ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Jan 29, 4:22pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: RE: Oasis video > Really-From: KRAUSENECKS > > > As of right now, there are no plans for Oasis on Laserdisc, but maybe DVD with the recent release of Canyon on DVD. > Chris > > ---------- %&*$@! (excuse my French) C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 10:18 pm Subject: Re: TD's Success Due to Quantity Over Quality? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-01-28 19:40:24 EST, you write: << Name a band other than TD that has given fans up to two-and-a-half hours-*plus* new music in one year. It's not easy, eh? >> kraftwerk! ooops...u said a year not a decade, sorry.... tom w np: autobahn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 29, 1998 10:38 pm Subject: Re: TD Live '98? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-01-29 03:59:07 EST, you write: << I was just wondering....since TD are (presumably) playing the Palace on 4/1 (hope I'm not missing some inside joke with that date), who on this list (in the southwestern region of California) are going to this Los(t) Angel(e)s concert? >> just to give u a nyc update: it has not been listed at irving plaza as of yesterday... tom w np: dubnology 2 - lost in bass From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 30, 1998 12:42 am Subject: Re: Music On The 'Sun Gate' Clip ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > >>Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' >> >>On re-watching the Sun Gate video clip from a German TV, I noticed a short >>video was played before 'Sun Gate'. The TV screen showed Chris Franke and >>the Big Moog and a short piece of very good music. Anybody knows the source >>of the film and the music? >>Is it an extract from an existing film? Any idea? > >Hhmm, I wonder from who you got that clip! >I also have that short piece somewhere and the music they played is >absolutely >STUNNING! You see all of the equipment, lots of 'stage-smoke', Baumann >leaning >over a VCS3 talking to F&F. Thanks Marcel, I forgot to mention the correct sequence of the short film, though I guess it was 'torch light' instead of 'stage-smoke', and on re-watching it I got the impression it was more a shot of their studio instead of live on stage. This excellent short film also reminded me of the 'Hamlet' clip from 'Past Present Future'. That was definitely US tour of 1977. What a pity we treasure material from that period so much but have so little of the video material ;-((( >It's too damn short! I prefer to watch that old clip then Sun Gate (ugh). Me too, Edgar was playing the guitar in a rather awkward manner (as if he was a bit lame)! >Please if someone has this complete (or not, I don't mind) pleez contact >me! > Me too! Jeffrey >Marcel >Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels >Email :fsp@w... > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jan 30, 1998 1:45 am Subject: Tape Tree Opinion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Dear fellow TD fans, I've been casually following these tape tree discussions and I've been trying to view everything without bias. But today I just don't feel good about the whole thing. First of all, the Shepherd's bush tree went on forever and is still not complete... All the people in the tree could of had the music at least 6 months ago if we didn't have to depend on people in the tree. The fact is that people on this list come and go and motivations are not consistent. One may sign up to the tree and 2 weeks later be off the list. You will spend plenty of time trying to figure out what happened. I still think that for this list, the best way to obtain TD live music is just to contact the people that are active on this list for information. I'm quite sure that soon you will get to know the people that can provide you with the shows you want at a reasonable trade/compensation and without all the hassle with dealing with a tree. In the long run, you will get what you want faster, easier, and cheaper than dealing with a tape tree IMHO. Apologies to my friends on this list that may differ, but I really don't want to see this list cluttered with tape tree discussions. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10503 Re: Tape Tree Opinion TWeibre361@a... Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB 10521 Re: Tape Tree Opinion Plumer, Scott Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB 10536 Re: Tape Tree Opinion TWeibre361@a... Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB 10558 Sheppard's Bush plea Michael Fox Fri 1/30/1998 3 KB 10579 Re: Tape Tree Opinion Marcel Engels Sat 1/31/1998 3 KB 10582 Re: Tape Tree Opinion AOutland@a... Sat 1/31/1998 3 KB 10592 Re: Tape Tree Opinion Francisco Salgado C. Sat 1/31/1998 3 KB 10613 Re: Tape Tree Opinion AOutland@a... Sun 2/1/1998 3 KB 10666 Re: Tape Tree Opinion Plumer, Scott Mon 2/2/1998 3 KB