From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 7:29 am Subject: Re: Poland Midi file - poland.mid Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Philip. Could we try this again -- it appears the file may have been damaged in transit. I don't know how or even if this is possible. Could you send me the file again, this time personally and not through the list. Thanks -- Mark tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Philip Meyer > > Well, here it is... > > -----------Philip Meyer-------------- > phil@h... > amarok@c... > ------------------------------------- > > Name: poland.mid > Part 1.2 Type: MIDI (audio/x-midi) > Encoding: x-uuencode From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 7:38 am Subject: Re: Poland CD Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Michael Fox > > I have in my hand the Relativity 2CD release--88561-8045-2. > Disc one:Poland/22:29 > Tangent/19:59 > Disc two:Barbakane/18:00 > Horizon/21:07 > Cover is weird colorized pic of Frose/Schmoelling/Franke > Inner sleeve is same as cover--no band info > copyright Zomba Ent---made in USA > I also have the 2 disk LP (somewhere in the archives) and I think it > deletes Barbakane---which I think is the best cut. > More fodder, I guess! > Mike The double LP and the double CD are identical. I used to have the LP and I do have the Relativity 2CD. The CD indexes 'Rare Bird' as track 3, but it is not on the label and its time has been added into the time for 'Tangent'. Please see my previous post on the entire discography for Poland or request it privately and I will send it to you. Cheers All -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 8:26 am Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-03-11 20:51:54 EST, you write: > > << It may sound unbelievable but - there are tapes from each single > concert they've ever played from 1971 up to now locked safely away at > TD lawyer's office in London. > > > > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR > >> > > This _is_ unbelievable. They are also probably irretrievable > since audio tapes that are twenty years old are most likely to be > unplayable. The chemicals in the tape, the bonding adhesives revert > after this period of time, even after controlled environment > conditions. I hope to god there is someone out there in charge of this > gold mine who knows what they are doing with this priceless treasure > trove. > I feel a tear running down my face. > > Phil Naunton I have good news. There was a show on NPR not too long ago about tape archival. Seems about 10 years ago the formula for tape was changed and the tapes of the last 10 years *are* falling apart after only 5 to 8 years if stored in ordinary room conditions. But tapes over 10 years old should last at least another 30 years or so with no problems. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Hear TD albums on the Net Really-From: Peter Ravn For those of your with WWW-access is there an interinsting offer. Point your browser at: http://ww2.audionet.com/jukebox/dream.htm and listen to the Miramar age albums: Rockoon 220 Volt Live Turn of The Tides Tyranny of Beauty Dream Mixes in full length! You will need a Real Audio plug-in. Regards, Peter Ravn pr@d... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 4:54 pm Subject: poland tracks / p.s. Lars Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > > >I've got the incomplete version aswell. About a week ago, I saw a >'Poland' CD in Tower Records, stating Poland, Tangent, Barbakane, and >Horizon as tracks (which is exactly the tracklisting in the TD homepage >discography). It seemed to be only one disc, though. Now, is that the full >version or not? Does anyone have a track listing of the REAL full >version?? > >Dennis > > It is like follows: the full version lists: Poland, Tangent, Barbakane, Horizon. The track 'Rare Bird' appears after 'Tangent' but is for whatever reason not listed. So in terms of track listings, 'Rare Bird' is a part of 'Tangent'. The Castle release of Poland is *not* complete, although the track listing is. That is because they cut the last 5 or 7 minutes (don't have timings in my mind) from 'Barbakane'. 'Barbakane' contains music which was released on various singles as 'Warsaw in the Sun'. The uncomplete 'Barbakane' on the Castle release ends with 'Warsaw in the Sun'. On the complete version, there is more music following after (very good music, btw). My information is based on the original 2LP Vinyl release, a maxi single 'Warsaw in the Sun' - 'Rare Bird', and the single CD of Castle. armin P.S. LARS: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oh yes, HI ARMIN, you Orangentraeumer! :-) (I've been meaning to say that for about a week!) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Hi Lars, not too bad, your german. As you may now, a 'Orange' is an orange, whereas a 'tangerine' would be a 'Mandarine' Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 1:28 pm Subject: RE- Tranq.Bass and Chain St Really-From: 'Jonathan Block' David H wrote: >>After a few months, we received news that the other Tranquility Bass had signed up to the Astral Werks label. So, we mailed them, and the result that came back was extremely non-commital. It told us nothing. Hence, we decided to stick with the name at least until the EMMA festival in May after which, and dependant upon the audiences reaction, we would then decide to change the band's name. Following the enormous support we've received in the last few weeks by people from this digest I'm far more inclined to keep with the name to avoid confusing all you kind folks who have helped us on our way.<< Unfortunately, every day that passes will just bring more confusion. If you came up with the name before the U.S. version and want to keep it you have no choice but to seek legal action. Although I sympathize with your position and the support from this digest, the gentleman behind the U.S. Tranquility Bass has been involved in the techno/dance/e-music scene for years and I'd be surprised if you didn't get resistance. They are getting a huge amount of press these days, even in mainstream mags (Rolling Stone, etc.) and you're definitely going to experience some name confusion over here in the U.S. And Craig Cordrey wrote: >>No, your stuff (and a lot of the other stuff discussed on this list) isn't available in Virgin or Tower or HMV. We have to use mail order or web-based stores and there you lose a lot of people. Not necessarily people on this list, but just general fans who don't know about mail order or web-based (as I was until I joined this list some years ago).<< This works both ways. Are people walking into chain stores more apt to try something new as opposed to mail-order consumers? I know I've seen many CDs in the new age/ambient/electronic section of stores and really have never heard of the group and have no idea of their sound. At least with mail-order or a web page you can get some idea of where the group is at. I have a CD coming out next summer on a label that has distribution to many chains across the U.S. including Tower, but I'm not sure how many people are just going to pick it up and buy it. Now it'll be great to direct people to Tower but I'm sure people who have never heard my music would be more apt to buy it from a mail order if there was an accurate description as opposed to just picking up the CD in a store and knowing nothing about it. Jonathan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 2:56 pm Subject: DRC Really-From: Michael A Jean A friend a mine was overzealous and ordered DRC from two different importers...now he has two...He is planning to return one, but I though I would ask if there is anyone having a hard time finding it who is willing to pay a fair price ($50 US). If so, please respond to me directly by this coming Monday Mike J , Chicago From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 3:47 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Tree info Update Really-From: "Robin A.Seed" >> In my circumstance, it was more a case of confusion with >> the 'tree' system, rather than apathy. And, as far as I >> could make out, I'm stuffed as any sort of contributor or >> receiver because I don't have a DAT or CD-R compatible >> system. >> > >Don't you have a cassette deck ? > I for one _do not_ own a tape deck or even a walkman!!!!! so that really puts me well out of the reckoning. Rob ********************************************************************************* Robin.A.Seed Hong Kong e-mail rseed@asiaonline.net Tel: 9172 4180 ********************************************************************************* From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #861 Really-From: DFO@C... Oops...sorry about including a major portion of the digest in my last message. Somehow I accidentally sent it before I was ready to. duane ott dfo@c... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1810 Re: tadream-digest V15 #861 PNaunton@a... Thu 3/13/1997 27 KB 1811 Re: tadream-digest V15 #861 ashok prema Thu 3/13/1997 8 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #861 Really-From: DFO@C... > Subject: Re: Tranquility Bass > Really-From: Vic Rek > > >Wrong! This is a totally different guy, a Californian named Mike Kandel. > > I guess I need to watch what I say? Anyway, the tune still sounded cool. Hey, no prob. I was confused at first too. I was familiar with the 'Excursions in Ambience' piece first, and ordered 'The Infection of Time' thinking it was the same people. But, like you, I like 'em both anyway. Other than you & me, I'm not sure how much overlap there is in the audience for the two TBs. From what Dave says, it also seems like the other TB doesn't care much about the conflict, which I find surprising. >A long time ago Ear/Rational had an import album from Sub Sub in their >catalog, but I tried ordering it and they said they couldn't get it >anymore. > >duane ott Thanks for the information. So there really is a 'Sub Sub'. Does anybody out there have their album? Vic NP: Mark Shreeve - Legion (this NP is catching on..) ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:37:19 +0000 Subject: Re: TD Does the Classics Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' Oxygene pts II, IV and V. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:41:05 -0600 Subject: Re: Sound Forge 4.0 ( No TD content) Really-From: feldon@n... At 01:40 PM 3/12/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > >Hi Gabor, you said > >> > Unfortunately, it's non-real-time, but until I can afford >> > Pro-Tools III for my home use, SF is quite sufficient. > >> ProTools III is a multitrack non-destructive system but SF is a >> destructive wave editor. They are very different from the application >> side. Yes, SoundForge is not a true 'pro' program, but it's also $349 and I am VERY happy with the noise removal abilities of the Parametric EQ. I just set my preview to 60 seconds. It takes about 8 seconds to calculate the preview... And to back someone else up on the list, SoundForge is NOT a destructive WAVE editor unless you turn that 'feature/bug' on. You can undo ANY operation except Save (duh!). Morgan feldon@n... ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:48:11 -0600 Subject: Re: Poland versions Really-From: feldon@n... At 04:39 PM 3/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > >I've got the incomplete version aswell. About a week ago, I saw a >'Poland' CD in Tower Records, stating Poland, Tangent, Barbakane, and >Horizon as tracks (which is exactly the tracklisting in the TD homepage >discography). It seemed to be only one disc, though. Now, is that the full >version or not? Does anyone have a track listing of the REAL full >version?? Dennis, TRUST ME when I say that Poland is 2 CDs! I have seen (and quickly avoided) the 'Excerpts from Poland'. It has a cheap black and white (photocopy quality) cover. The full Poland 2CD has a 'wierd' black and white cover (it's on expensive paper and if memory serves, it's black, grey, washed-out purple, and white). I don't know the track list as I don't have the disc. I didn't even know it HAD a track list. Morgan feldon@n... ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:58:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: more on TD does classics Really-From: Gabe Yedid how about Abba--'Mama Mia' (it already sounds rather like 'Turning Off The Wheel') Gabe ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:08:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Sean Montgomery > > Taken from the Tangerine Dream Homepage: > > 64. Roughly what percent of all the TD concerts within the last 25 years > has the band taped for themselves? > > It may sound unbelievable but - there are tapes from each single > concert they've ever played from 1971 up to now locked safely away at TD > lawyer's office in London. > Yeah, but half of the tapes are probably disintegrated beyond all recognition by now. (unless they were hermetically (sp?) sealed in a mayonaisse jar on the porch! :-) ) Dave Brewer ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:22:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Poland versions Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Dennis Nigbur > > I've got the incomplete version aswell. About a week ago, I saw a > 'Poland' CD in Tower Records, stating Poland, Tangent, Barbakane, and > Horizon as tracks (which is exactly the tracklisting in the TD homepage > discography). It seemed to be only one disc, though. Now, is that the full > version or not? Does anyone have a track listing of the REAL full > version?? > Poland has the distinction of being the only non-compilation, official TD release that is too long to fit onto one CD in its entirety. Look at the track times on that CD you saw. If any of them are less than about 18-20 minutes, then it's been hacked. I think the Castle release has Barbakane hacked down to about 13 minutes, but the other three are still whole. Why do companies do stupid things like that anyway? Just so it can fit onto one CD?! That's lame. It's kinda like what happened to Melrose, whose master was supposedly 76 minutes long, but Private didn't want more than an hour on it... Doiii! (that's from the TDIFC, BTW... in case you didn't know) Try to find the Relativity 2CD version of Poland, if you can. (I know it's been stated before, but it should be driven into the ground!!! :-) ) Dave Brewer ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:26:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: (Yet another) TD Classic Really-From: dbrewer@a... I think they could do a good, extended version of Gary Wright's 'Dream Weaver', myself. (Martyn Capel also had this idea) The only thing is, I think the Froese/Haslinger/Froese lineup would have been the best for it. (MHO, of course!) Dave Brewer ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:51:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: TD Does the Classics Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:37:19 +0000 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > >Oxygene pts II, IV and V. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > _.^~~~~~\ > Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... > \______/ > /\ /\ >---------------------------------------------------------------------- Talking about Jarre, I think a TD version of Ethnicolour would be interesting. TD have been experimenting with funny voices all along (Alpha Centauri, Wahn, At Darwin's Motel, Bent Cold Sidewalk,...) Dennis ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:53:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Track Info Request Really-From: Sean Montgomery > So, your help would once again be appreciated in > identifying the location or source (i.e. which album, > single, etc.) of the following : > > Dolphin Smile A version of this is on the Antarktis concert bootleg, which might be easier to track down than the 70/90 disk. A nice track, similar to the quieter sections on Livemiles. > A Time for Heroes (just a single?) Yuppers. It was a one-time-only cd single release from 1987. The company that released it is bankrupt. I think the only place you're likely to find it now is on concert recordings. It's not a great track. It reminds me of the worst of Destination Berlin - but with horn samples. On this disk, TD share space with Meatloaf and Brian May of Queen - another reason not to lose sleep over not having a copy. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:06:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: TD does the Classics Really-From: Sean Montgomery > The theme from 'Dr Who' !!! Ha ha! That's a good one! Of course, they have enough of their own soundtrack music to draw from... Maybe they could do a 'Dream Mixes' treatment on it? Oh wait, it's been done by the Timelords - 'Doctorin' the Tardis...' Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:09:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: more on TD does classics Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Abba--'Mama Mia' (it already sounds rather like 'Turning Off The Wheel') Mama Mia???? How about 'Does Your Mother Know?' I suppose in TDs hands that might sound dangerously like a Jarre number, though. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:12:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: (Yet another) TD Classic Really-From: Sean Montgomery > I think they could do a good, extended version of Gary Wright's 'Dream > Weaver' *lol* Oh, man. I'd leave the concert hall if they pulled something like this! (just kidding, it would probably be fascinating) Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:50:43 -0800 Subject: Re: TD does the classics Really-From: Mark Filipak Rolling Stones 'Satisfaction' ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:47:34 +0100 Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > Quoted From: Sean Montgomery > > It may sound unbelievable but - there are tapes from each single > > concert they've ever played from 1971 up to now locked safely away at TD > > lawyer's office in London. > > > Yeah, but half of the tapes are probably disintegrated beyond all > recognition by now. (unless they were hermetically (sp?) sealed in a > mayonaisse jar on the porch! :-) ) Then Schulze likes mayonaise a lot since he has relesaed more than 14 hours of it's private tapes in Historic ans silver Edition boxes, and some more in his 25 CD aniversary set. Some tapes were from 1970. I have both Historic and Silver boxes and i have to say sound is very good technically speaking. regards francisco ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:18:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: TD does the classics Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Rolling Stones 'Satisfaction' The scariest suggestion thusfar, in that I can almost see them doing this one. Well, maybe 'Gimme Shelter,' anyway. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:24:35 -0500 Subject: Re[2]: TD does the classics Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >> Rolling Stones 'Satisfaction' >The scariest suggestion thusfar, in that I can almost see them doing this >one. Well, maybe 'Gimme Shelter,' anyway. Or perhaps 'Bitch.' Gotta love that horn section! - -B. Kirby ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:42:02 -0800 Subject: Re: A technohead rants...(was Sound Forge, etc) Really-From: Pixel > Pro Tools III is the best system you can buy for pro-recording. > Period. If it wasn't so, people wouldn't buy it, as it costs > roughly 4 times more than a 'similarly specified' system. 'Best' can have different meanings from different aspects. I used both systems extensively and have some experience on them. ProTools is the best if you consider for example the very wide variety of plug-ins. Soundscape wins the user interface contest and it's much better expandable. > The automation of the TDM-based effects and mixing, together > with the sheer number and quality of the plug-ins sets Pro- > Tools apart from the herd. The same system is implemented in Soundscape 2.0 but with much faster DSP cards. > Using a noise-removal program like DINR _in real-time_ is the > eighth wonder of the world ! I love DINR too! Regards GG ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:51:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Sound Forge 4.0 ( No TD content) Really-From: Pixel > > ProTools III is a multitrack non-destructive system but SF is a > > destructive wave editor. They are very different from the application > > side. > > If you mean every time the work is done the editor goes down to 16 bits, > that's rigth. If you mean it doesn't have an undo feature it's wrong. SF > has several levels of 'undo'. No, no. The non-destructive term means that your edits will not perform after you select them. They will work during playtime which means no audio data will be changed on the hard disk - it remains the same as you recorded. When you edit you only build a playback condition list. > > And, if you need real-time wave editor, try Steinberg Wavelab > > from version 1.5. > > I tried it's demo version and I didn't like it. It's very fast but very > sparse, lacking features present on S.Forge plug-ins. I have four different plugins for Wavelab now: denoiser, declicker, maximizer, and Waves Power Pack which consist of L1 maximizer, C1 compressor, Trueverb reverberation, an EQ, and Waveconvert. This quantity is already higher than the plugins you find for SF and there are much more planned. > Besides real time is not necessary. You can make a batch file > with the operations you want done to the wave file and run the editor > during the nigth. In the morning you'll have everythig done. Real-time operation is very good for customizing your edits. It's much more easy to work if you immediately listen to the result. Bye GG ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:08:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Poland versions Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > On Tue, 11 Mar 97 12:06:26 -0500 tadream mailing list > wrote: > >Really-From: Jerry Kindall > > > >The full Poland set is two CDs, so no, you don't have a complete > version. > >-- > >Jerry Kindall > >Manual Labor > >Technical Writing; Internet & WWW Consulting > > > >Author of the Web Motion Encyclopedia > >The comprehensive animation and video reference for Web designers > >Coming Summer '97 from Waite Group Press > > I've got the incomplete version aswell. About a week ago, I saw a > 'Poland' CD in Tower Records, stating Poland, Tangent, Barbakane, and > Horizon as tracks (which is exactly the tracklisting in the TD homepage > discography). It seemed to be only one disc, though. Now, is that the > full version or not? Does anyone have a track listing of the REAL full > version?? > > Dennis Gee, if enough people keep asking about Poland, I keep putting this discography up, eventually all the ?-marks will get squashed. -- Mark The (almost) definative Poland discography POLAND [10 Dec 83] Torwar Ice Rink, Warsaw - EF/CF/JS 1- Poland [22:29] 2- Tangent [15:52] 3- Rarebird [4:01] 4- Barbakane [18:00] 09:18 Warsaw In The Sun, part 1 14:13 Warsaw In The Sun, part 2 5- Horizon [21:07] 14:10 Polish Dance? 2-LP Track layout: 1 - 2.1 - 2.2 - 3 - 4 [1984] Jive-GB- HIP 22 [1984] Rel.-??- ???... [1984] Tonpress-PL- SX-T 64/65 [19??] CNR Records-NL- 573.003/4 (single jacket) [19??] Jive-GB- HIP X 22 (pic-disk: band/scenery) 1-MC Track layout: 1.1 - 1.2 - 1.3 - 2.1 - 2.2 [1984] Jive-??- HIP C 22 [19??] Rel.-US- EMCT 8045 2-CD Track layout: 1.1 - 1.2 - 1.3 - 2.1 - 2.2 [1988] Rel.-US- 88561-8045-2 (track 3 indexed but not labeled) EXTRACTS FROM POLAND -- derived from POLAND 1- Poland [22:21] 2- Barbakane [13:51] 09:18 Warsaw In The Sun, part 1 3- Horizon [20:51] 1-CD [19??] Rel.-DE- 8.26099 ZP [19??] Jive-GB- CHIP 22 [19??] Jive-JP- 32XB-221 POLAND-excerpts -- derived from POLAND 1- Poland [22:00] 2- Tangent [19:52] 15:52 Rarebird 3- Barbakane [15:49] 4- Horizon [20:49] 1-CD [1996] Essential-DE-GB- ESM365 (digital master) [1996] Dureco-NL- ESM365 (digital master?) [1996] Sequel-US- 1044-2 (digital master) ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:10:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Sound Forge 4.0 ( No TD content) Really-From: Pixel > And to back someone else up on the list, SoundForge is NOT a destructive > WAVE editor unless you turn that 'feature/bug' on. You can undo ANY > operation except Save (duh!). As I wrote sooner undo levels have nothing to do with the term 'non-destructive'. It describes the way how to perform the tasks. Bye GG ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:37:27 -0800 Subject: Re: TD does the classics Really-From: Mark Filipak As a 30th aniversary song: 'Tomorrow Never Knows' (Lennon, McCartney) with Edgar doing the 'vocals' on his guitar. ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:57:35 +0000 Subject: Re: TD Does the Classics Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Grant, You've got to be kidding. The TD remake od Purple Haze is awesome.I think the spinning of Jimi in his grave was caused by the awful music on the 'Stone Free' album released a couple of years ago.It was supposed to be a tribute but I believe it was an ABOMINATION.If Jimi was alive today I believe he would want to congradulate Edgar and kill the people on the tribute album. Robert Grabowsky At 05:31 PM 3/12/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > >Would it be possible for them to hit the 'UNDO' key on 'Purple Haze' ? >Poor Jimi was reported to be spinning in his grave at 2000 RPM. > >While we're on the subject, how about 'Popcorn' by Hot Butter. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > _.^~~~~~\ > Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... > \______/ > /\ /\ >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 00:26:53 GMT Subject: Err, actually... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Really-From: Vic Rek > >I was just thinking of Tranquility Bass today, well actually not until I >threw on a CD compilation called Excursions in Ambience (1) by Caroline rel. >in 1993. I was cooking dinner and I have no clue why I pulled this out and >played it. But the first track sounded great and guess by who? I also >discovered a few other cool musicians on this compilation. 777 (aka System >7 or vice versa) to name one. The group 'Sub Sub' also sounded cool, but >never have seen an album by them. Anybody have any information on them >(David?)? Err, sorry to be a bit of party pooper but...there are actually two bands called 'Tranquility Bass'. What happened was...we released our album back in October 1995. Three months later we were told about another 'Tranquility Bass' formed by a Mr. Mike Kandel who we believe is based in New York. We tried to contact him via his record company to clarify how the name situation could be resolved. We didn't get very far. Very few people knew about them despite the fact that the compilation CD he was on did rather well. After a few months, we received news that the other Tranquility Bass had signed up to the Astral Werks label. So, we mailed them, and the result that came back was extremely non-commital. It told us nothing. Hence, we decided to stick with the name at least until the EMMA festival in May after which, and dependant upon the audiences reaction, we would then decide to change the band's name. Following the enormous support we've received in the last few weeks by people from this digest I'm far more inclined to keep with the name to avoid confusing all you kind folks who have helped us on our way. Now, back to writing tunes... Cheers David email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:11:31 -0600 Subject: Poland CD Really-From: Michael Fox I have in my hand the Relativity 2CD release--88561-8045-2. Disc one:Poland/22:29 Tangent/19:59 Disc two:Barbakane/18:00 Horizon/21:07 Cover is weird colorized pic of Frose/Schmoelling/Franke Inner sleeve is same as cover--no band info copyright Zomba Ent---made in USA I also have the 2 disk LP (somewhere in the archives) and I think it deletes Barbakane---which I think is the best cut. More fodder, I guess! Mike ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 00:16:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Err, actually... Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Err, sorry to be a bit of party pooper but...there are actually two bands > called 'Tranquility Bass'. > I'm far more inclined to keep with the name to avoid confusing all you > kind folks who have helped us on our way. I don't know about the rest of you, but *I'm* confused already.... *grin* Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 01:11:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-11 20:51:54 EST, you write: << It may sound unbelievable but - there are tapes from each single concert they've ever played from 1971 up to now locked safely away at TD lawyer's office in London. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR >> This _is_ unbelievable. They are also probably irretrievable since audio tapes that are twenty years old are most likely to be unplayable. The chemicals in the tape, the bonding adhesives revert after this period of time, even after controlled environment conditions. I hope to god there is someone out there in charge of this gold mine who knows what they are doing with this priceless treasure trove. I feel a tear running down my face. Phil Naunton ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 01:11:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: TD Does the Classics Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-11 19:17:05 EST, you write: << > >Sean Montgomery wrote: > >> > >> What song would YOU like to hear them do? (points awarded for > >> humour) >> Yes, yes, yes. All very amusing, I'm sure. But what I have really been waiting for Edgar to do solo is Havergal Brian's Symphony #1 'Gothic'. All done in one take on a heavily modified Stylophone, of course. ;-) Goethe from 'Faust' - 'He who ever strives with all his might That man we can redeem.' Phil Naunton ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 01:11:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 5.0 Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-11 23:03:43 EST, you write: << A 'vanity label' is when there is a specially-designed-for-the specific-record image on the label rather than the label's standard appearance. I mean label literally, not the organization that prints the records. You mean, this CD came out in the USA??? -- Steven Feldman < >> Really? I though a vanity label was a company which took large sums of money from people with 'Rock Star' Dimentia, in order to print quantities of tapes, CDs, LPs, or whatever, and schedule bookings so these same people can feel like stars, even though they don't have the talent to overflow a thimble. I've got a couple of these at my hi-fi shop. It is usually a good idea not to eat for six hours before listening to these. It can be quite a stomach turning experience. I use the CDs as coasters. Phil Naunton ------------------------------ End of tadream-digest V15 #861 ****************************** Distribution: To: INTERNET:TADREAM-DIGEST@C... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 12:09 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #861 Really-From: ashok prema > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:03:15 GB-EIRE >Subject: Re: 'Associated Musician'?? > >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > >> Really-From: ashok prema >> >Isn't the problem here the fact that the fans are expected >to travel hundreds of miles to see either an individual act >or a group of acts playing at a single 'event'? Do these >people do tours of the whole country? Maybe they can't >afford to, but does that mean that fans then have to shell >out to see people they've maybe only heard of, or perhaps >have one CD of? I don't see that as apathy but as finincial >constraints (but then again, I am a canny Scot). Do you recall the musician Peter Beasley?? after a succesful casstte launch at one of the early UK Electronica's, he was encouraged enough to do what you wanted - a UK Tour - hiring a minibus, and setting up 5 or six gigs in Student Union Buildings, colleges etc - the TOTAL l audience he got over the whole 5 show tour was...............25!!!!! He has since not been heard of - I wonder why?? Dillusionment?? My point is that when TD first gigged - before they hit it big - the was an audience waiting to listen to them - OK they had a new style and were unique - but they were also unheard of at the time. I just wish that more people - and not just EM lovers, but the general public, would take the time and trouble to hear the new musicians of today - because unless they do - they'll never know what they have missed. >> Recently a couple of gigs by respected synth musicians have been cancelled due to >> lack of audience response. Yet when Tangerine Dream tour - the audience >> come flocking!! >Yes, and having 'flocked' down to London for a weekend, >total cost in the region of stlg400, I will be unable to >'flock' anywhere else for some time. I made that effort >because I have more TD CDs than any other artist, they are >my favourite band, they play a unique style of music which >I love irrespective of the period and they hadn't played >here for 6 years. (Of course, it was also rumoured to be >their only live gig for some time, but we now have the >European tour. I still hope Britain will get a visit again, >perhaps closer to home). > >I didn't go to see Franke because >a) Pacific Coast Highway sucks >b) didn't know he was playing Fair Comment - but knowing that the resulting concert was 'The London Concert' don't you wish you had gone?? I too have been disappointed with TD's recent output - and only went to the Bush out of loyalty - and I'm glad that I did, because - like Franke - TD suprised me totally!! The moral here is surely - don't just go to those concerts where you think you KNOW what you'll get - because you could lose out on some great music! > >I didn't go to see Haslinger because >a) FP and WWR are a little on the edge for me (too worldy >and not e-musicy enough) >b) didn't know he was playing > >I didn't go to see Schulze because >a) some of his stuff is excellent, some of it is really, >really naff >b) didn't know he was playing > >Anyone spot a trend there? well - if you're on any mailing lists for synth music (C &D, Neu Harmony, Midas, AMP records) or fanzines ('Voyager') then you would certainly have heard of both the the Haslinger and Shultze gigs. If you're not on ANY of their lists - then perhaps you should do yourself a favour and write to 'Neu Harmony' - you'll get to hear GREAT music from new names.(mail me privatley if you want more info) >> Enough whingeiing, for those interested parties.....my album 'Of Times & >> Places' is available form Archie Pattersons 'EUROCK'. - and if you pester >> Ranjit - he will make it available also. >> >This is the crux, isn't it? Absolutely. No, your stuff (and a lot of >the other stuff discussed on this list) isn't available in Virgin >or Tower or HMV. We have to use mail order or web-based >stores and there you lose a lot of people. Not necessarily people on >this list, but just general fans who don't know about mail >order or web-based (as I was until I joined this list some >years ago). Have you any idea how difficult - sorry impossible - it is for small labels to get their stuff into Virgin and Tower?? The simple fact is, their is a finite amount of rack-space - and new releases in all genre's come out weekly - both from the big boys and us tiddlers - guess who gets preference?? >Once the music is out there, no-one can expect the fan to >go rushing off to the nearest mail order firm and order >every new CD by a band he hasn't heard of. It is either >your or your record company's responsibility to market you >and promote you - to force us to buy it because we're sick >of hearing your name and seeing your face. Dreamland!! Record companies will promote those they feel will be 'cash-cows' - not Joe Bloggs who might sell a few thousand discs over the next couple of years. > >As a result of Dave Hughes recent 'plugging' of his >web-site (and the band to a lesser extent) he made a sale. >But I still had to go 'searching' for it - find the >web-site, access the relevant page, mail the company for >the CD, hope they had it, could I trust them with my credit >card number, etc. Maybe there is a little apathy in me, but >much more than that and I'm not interested. Especially >since for every ten CDs experimented you maybe only get 1 or >2 you actually like. Well, I hope you feel David's album was worth it - maybe the solution is coming soon - a compilation cd of EM artist big and small - listen to this and you'll get a sample track from leading musicans - to help you decide in the future who to go for and who to avoid. WATCH THIS SPACE!! >As you say, a Richard Branson needs to scome to the rescue. - --------------------------------------------- >Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer Regretfully, the Richard Bransons of the world are even turning down the likes of our heroes TD - what chance us heh?? Still - what is life without a little hope? Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 5:35 pm Subject: TD in A'dam Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Ah, finally TD in Amsterdam! They only played here once in 1976 (if I'm correct). So I definitely going to see them over there since it is only 15 min. driving for me. Hope to Dutch, German, Belgium friends over there. Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: destructive vs. non-destructive sound editing Really-From: Jerry Kindall Morgan (feldon@n...) wrote: >And to back someone else up on the list, SoundForge is NOT a destructive >WAVE editor unless you turn that 'feature/bug' on. You can undo ANY >operation except Save (duh!). Having an Undo feature does not mean a program is non-destructive! Non-destructive means that when you delete something out of the middle of a sound, it actually still keeps the deleted samples in the file, but skips over that segment on playback. When you edit non-destructively the program is actually (behind the scenes) assembling a 'play list' that says 'play 1:00-1:05 from this file, now play 2:30-2:45 from this other file, now play 0:15-0:27 from the first file...'. In a true non-destructive system, all effects and mixing is done in real-time on playback, and your original audio data is NEVER touched even when you save. It's ALL there later if you need it. Deck II from Macromedia is the program I'm most familiar with. With Deck II, duplicating, deleting, re-arranging, cross-fading, and certain effects (EQ and a few others) are all non-destructive: they never affect the audio data at all. Running a filter (like some of the limiter or reverb filters available for the program) is destructive in that it permanently changes the audio file on your hard disk. Normalizing and reversing sounds is also destructive in Deck II (although some other programs can handle this non-destructively). So if, after you save a sound in Sound Forge, the file is permanently changed, it is a destructive editor. If you can go back a week later and remove all your edits and effects, it is non-destructive. I'm not familiar with Sound Forge but I assume that, at its price, it's destructive. -- Jerry Kindall Manual Labor Technical Writing; Internet & WWW Consulting Author of the Web Motion Encyclopedia The comprehensive animation and video reference for Web designers Coming Summer '97 from Waite Group Press Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1816 Re: destructive vs. non-destructive sound editing feldon@n... Thu 3/13/1997 3 KB 1819 Re: destructive vs. non-destructive sound editing Pixel Thu 3/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 6:48 pm Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-03-13 01:19:14 EST, you write: << This _is_ unbelievable. They are also probably irretrievable since audio tapes that are twenty years old are most likely to be unplayable. The chemicals in the tape, the bonding adhesives revert after this period of time, even after controlled environment conditions. I hope to god there is someone out there in charge of this gold mine who knows what they are doing with this priceless treasure trove. I feel a tear running down my face. >> naaa...dont believe this....ive got tapes, pre-recorded ones no less, from the 60s, that still play as good as new...and believe me, theyve been through hell...i wouldnt worry too much... tom w np: echo system - headland From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: EM Jokes Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... Further to Elana's gawdawful TD joke, how about these... A very 'in' Klaus Schulze joke: Q: If the Village People did a tribute to Klaus Schulze, what would it be called? A: Y.M.T.I. Q: What's brown, steaming and found in an optician's lavatory? A: Movements of a visionary. With sincerest apologies, Glynn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 7:36 pm Subject: Re: destructive vs. non-destructive sound editing Really-From: feldon@n... At 12:57 PM 3/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Jerry Kindall > > >Morgan (feldon@n...) wrote: > >>And to back someone else up on the list, SoundForge is NOT a destructive >>WAVE editor unless you turn that 'feature/bug' on. You can undo ANY >>operation except Save (duh!). > >Having an Undo feature does not mean a program is non-destructive! >Non-destructive means that when you delete something out of the middle of >a sound, it actually still keeps the deleted samples in the file, but >skips over that segment on playback. When you edit non-destructively the >program is actually (behind the scenes) assembling a 'play list' that >says 'play 1:00-1:05 from this file, now play 2:30-2:45 from this other >file, now play 0:15-0:27 from the first file...'. SoundForge takes excellent advantage of Playlists and highly recommends using them instead of deleting clips out of a soundfile. In a true >non-destructive system, all effects and mixing is done in real-time on >playback, and your original audio data is NEVER touched even when you >save. It's ALL there later if you need it. Now THAT is what's the real issue. Frankly, I would love to buy a real-time sound editor. I would even pay a little $$$ if SoundForge were upgraded to have a real-time EQ! >So if, after you save a sound in Sound Forge, the file is permanently >changed, it is a destructive editor. If you can go back a week later and >remove all your edits and effects, it is non-destructive. I'm not >familiar with Sound Forge but I assume that, at its price, it's >destructive. Yes, once you save, that's all she wrote. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 7:38 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Tree info Update Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:47 PM 3/13/97 +0800, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Robin A.Seed' > >>Don't you have a cassette deck ? >> >I for one _do not_ own a tape deck or even a walkman!!!!! >so that really puts me well out of the reckoning. ** >Robin.A.Seed >Hong Kong Let me get this straight: You're living in Hong Kong, electronics capital of... oh never mind! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 7:59 pm Subject: Re: TD Does the Classics At 22:57 97·03·12 +0000, you wrote: >>Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' >>While we're on the subject, how about 'Popcorn' by Hot Butter. I used to have the 45 single when I was ~10, Played it so much it drove the family nuts. I wore the thing out though. Many years later I found the *album* with _Popcorn_ on it, gee just the mention of the piece on the ML makes me want to spin that wax again, but alas I haven't owned a LP player that works for over 8 years! 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:02 am Subject: Re: destructive vs. non-destructive sound editing Really-From: Pixel > So if, after you save a sound in Sound Forge, the file is permanently > changed, it is a destructive editor. If you can go back a week later and > remove all your edits and effects, it is non-destructive. I'm not > familiar with Sound Forge but I assume that, at its price, it's > destructive. Yes, it is. GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 7:59 pm Subject: Re: TD does the classics At 11:50 97·03·12 -0800, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak >Rolling Stones 'Satisfaction' Devo already did a cool cover of that one. Although It might ne interesting to hear TD though..... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1876 Re: TD does the classics Boneheads1@a... Sat 3/15/1997 2 KB 1901 Re: TD does the classics PNaunton@a... Sun 3/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 8:16 pm Subject: Poland CD Really-From: Craig Shipley Question came up in yesterdays' digest about the Poland CD and LP (Mike Fox, I believe). I own about five different copies of this release (my favorite live TD, but LOGOS is hot on its' heels. Lessee, I have the original 2- LP release, the 2-LP picture release, the first hacked-up CD release and finally, the honest 2-CD release, which I had the pleasure of snagging new for $15.00! Guess I only have four copies :-) ). The original 2-LP release is faithfully reproduced on the 2-CD release; they are equals, no additions or subtractions ('cepting for a whole lot less noise/pops/swooshes/scratches on the CD, 'natch!). objCDPlayer: Boots & Broekhuis / Hydrythmix Project Two Point One Craig Shipley From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 3:23 am Subject: Who me? Spamming... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >As a result of Dave Hughes recent 'plugging' of his >web-site (and the band to a lesser extent) he made a sale. In truth, I've been 'plugging' lots of other acts as well as myself. I believe that there is life after Tangerine Dream and there are musicians out there that deserve to be heard by a wider audience but just can't get through to the CD buying public. >Especially since for every ten CDs experimented you maybe only get 1 or >2 you actually like. I agree that maybe one CD in ten is worthy of public attention. Who is at fault? In many cases, it's the critics who tell us that such 'n' such is the next best thing but, as I've said in my previous posts, the musical content of some CDs is often amounts to less than a Grade II pianist messing about with some synth presets. In many cases, you'll find that a critic simply works for a CD re-seller and it's in their interests to push something which is substandard simply because they need the cash. There's the rub! If you can't hear the music you have to rely on word of mouth that an artist is worthy of further efforts and if you're in a minority area like EM then often the only word you can take is that of a biased critic. I'm not suggesting that every critic is biased in this way : I'm a critic myself but I do get sick and tired of those who should know better spouting off about this and that CD when they _know_ it's a load of crap! But this is the big killer : just how do we promote ourselves? If TD were a small outfit like us how would they go about plugging themselves? The web is the best place to do it : true democracy at work. For the cost of a home PC, a modem and some decent software we can _all_ grab a piece of the action. We gave up trying to deal with record companies : we received some offers and one or two looked very attractive. However, we were very nearly ripped badly as soon as there was a sniff of 'gold' in the air. The big companies are not really interested in small acts like us : occasionally some groups strike lucky. Enya, for example, has done very well but then her music is superlative if a little 'constant'. Anyway, I'm going to finish this missive and my next post _will_ feature some TD content. Honest... Cheers David email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 3:23 am Subject: Me again... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >> Err, sorry to be a bit of party pooper but...there are actually two bands >> called 'Tranquility Bass'. > >> I'm far more inclined to keep with the name to avoid confusing all you >> kind folks who have helped us on our way. > >I don't know about the rest of you, but *I'm* confused already.... *grin* Please don't be confused. I tried to find out what was going on with the 'other' Tranquility Bass by signing on to the 'Intelligent Dance Music' digest. I was with the idm digest for two weeks and, in that time, all they did was dicuss their 'sexual habits' which were pretty strange to say the least. I think we have to be grateful that at least the TD digest sticks relatively close to the subject in hand. Anyway, I'll try to keep you informed of what is happening. Just think how many bands there are with 'Wave' somewhere in the title? How many bands are there with the same name? There are three 'Kaleidoscopes' that I know of. And two Nirvana's. etc etc etc Cheers David email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1826 Re: Me again... Sean Montgomery Thu 3/13/1997 2 KB 1832 Re: Me again... Vic Rek Fri 3/14/1997 3 KB 1841 Re: Me again... TWeibre361@a... Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB 1842 Re: Me again... Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB 1853 Re: Me again... TWeibre361@a... Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 3:23 am Subject: Some TD content at last! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, I did promise some TD content in my next message : so here it is... Following on from Glynn Naughton's previous post regarding this month's Sound-on-Stage magazine, the interview with Edgar and the boys is a techhead's dream come true. Lots of info about their equipment set up and some nuggets about their unhappy relationship with certain synth vendors make interesting reading. Here are a few clips [reproduced without permission : sorry...] Edgar : 'I remember playing Croydon, it was in 1976 I guess, and we were banned from the hall because we reached 134db which was the loudest concert ever in the Croydon Festival Hall, which is pretty funny' says Edgar with a smirk. Edgar : 'The thrill is still there but it has reached a different stage. One thing that does remain the same is that anything that can go wrong will go wrong. In the older days we had to fight against oscillators drifting out of tune because of the rising temperature in the hall. So, even a few seconds before you started playing the sequence on the old modular system you had to put on your headphones and tune the oscillators against themselves and then tune the other three or four to the frequency you wanted.' The interview runs to a good 2000 or 3000 words and there are some excellent pictures taken during the soundcheck. The magazine also features information on Pink Floyd's concert technique and lots of other techhead stuff. Sound-on-Stage can be contacted at the following address : 100517.1113@c... Hope that this is useful. Cheers David email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 3:51 am Subject: VOYAGER'S OUT, honest. Really-From: 'Jason P. Hopkins' THIS IS NOT A MIRAGE. AFTER WEEKS STUCK AT THE PRINTER'S VOYAGER IS NOW SHIPPING. I must apologise for the delay but our printer's equipment decided not to work, hence the delay. So anyone who was wondering where it had disappeared to can rest at ease. --Jason. ++++++++++++++++++++ + JASON P. HOPKINS + ++++++++++++++++++++ VOYAGER MAGAZINE Tangerine Dream & E/M Magazine Holly Farm, 37 Main Street, Kilby, Wigston, Leicestershire, LE18 3TD, England. ** E-Mail: jasonh@g... ** ** 'Phone: +44 116 240 2255 ** ** Fax: +44 116 240 4217 ** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 9:03 pm Subject: Re: Me again... Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Just think how many bands there are with 'Wave' somewhere in the title? How > many bands are there with the same name? There are three 'Kaleidoscopes' > that I know of. And two Nirvana's. etc etc etc Well, you can do what they're had to do with certain bands with duplicate names....letters! Tranquility Bass UK Tranquility Bass X The English Tranquility Bass London Tranquility Bass *yuk yuk* Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Which is Dumber, ID4 or IDM? Ho ho ho. Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Me again... >Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 20:23:57 GMT >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > >[...] signing on to the 'Intelligent Dance Music' digest. I was with the >idm digest for two weeks and, in that time, all they did was dicuss >their 'sexual habits' which were pretty strange to say the least. I >think we have to be grateful that at least the TD digest sticks >relatively close to the subject in hand. [...] Hyuk-yuk-yuk, snuck, gsnorf! He said 'subject in hand.' Heh heh heh. Shut up, Buttmunch. Make me, Beavis! Dillweed. Fartknocker! . . . ;) ;) :) Now would someone kindly start a thread here worth reading? -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 10:31 pm Subject: Boot list.. Really-From: Todd W Olson Is there a currently updated list like Klaus' 'Bootlegged Dreams?' Sure would like to know more about the current crop of boots. -Todd (currently praying to the protein purification gods) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 2:26 pm Subject: Re: Re: A Compilation That is 50% Another Company's Stuff Really-From: 'Dave Lane' 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Bicentennial Presentation > > Ack! :( I don't recall this title. I have all four Baumann > > albums, and this doesn't ring a bell. And yet, I haven't played much > > of REPEAT REPEAT or STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT for quite some time. ;) > > Again, according to the inlay card, this is 1976. I > therefore assumed I came from the Romance '76 album (the > inlay isn't so helpful to tell us which track comes from > which album). You are correct. (I don't know why they're calling it 'Bicentennial Presentation' now, though): Romance '76 - Bicentennial Present Romance Phase By Phase Meadow Of Infinity The Glass Bridge Meadow Of Infinity Part 2 I was listening to Transharmonic Nights on my way into work this AM.. what TD track is 'Chasing the Dream' based on? Something from 'Stratosfear'? --Dave From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 12:45 am Subject: Re: Poland versions Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:22 AM 3/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: dbrewer@a... > >Try to find the Relativity 2CD version of Poland, if you can. (I know it's >been stated before, but it should be driven into the ground!!! :-) ) Someone said that it's out of print or extremely difficult to find. If anyone needs it, I know a music store where the Poland 2CD set has been patiently waiting for someone to buy it for almost a year now... Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 12:42 am Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:08 AM 3/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > >> Quoted From: Sean Montgomery >> >> Taken from the Tangerine Dream Homepage: >> >> 64. Roughly what percent of all the TD concerts within the last 25 years >> has the band taped for themselves? >> >> It may sound unbelievable but - there are tapes from each single >> concert they've ever played from 1971 up to now locked safely away at TD >> lawyer's office in London. >> >Yeah, but half of the tapes are probably disintegrated beyond all >recognition by now. (unless they were hermetically (sp?) sealed in a >mayonaisse jar on the porch! :-) ) Simply impossible. There is no way those tapes could be even slightly disintegrated. First, Edgar pulled plenty of stuff from Electronic Meditation and Atem for Dream Roots and besides, Virgin just recently re-released all of that stuff recently, re-dubbed directly from the master ANALOG tapes! Those tapes couldn't be in anything but excellent shape. If they weren't, Edgar would have been feverishly cleaning them up with Deck II and dubbing them to master CDs instead of making Tangents. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 2:01 am Subject: Re: Me again... Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > Err, sorry to be a bit of party pooper but...there are actually two bands > called 'Tranquility Bass'. > >Just think how many bands there are with 'Wave' somewhere in the title? How >many bands are there with the same name? There are three 'Kaleidoscopes' >that I know of. And two Nirvana's. etc etc etc > All this started becuase I threw in the 'Excursions in Ambience 1' into the old CD player. So there are two TB's, but there is another case of this on this same CD. The band 777 is really called System 7 in the UK (where they are from), but go under the name 777 in the US because there is another band in the US called System 7 (I hope I'm right on this before I start another thread). So we have two TB's and two System 7's, where one of each is on the sampler. Now I too will resume discussion on TD, not TB, OK? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 9:18 pm Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-03-11 20:51:54 EST, you write: > > << It may sound unbelievable but - there are tapes from each single > concert they've ever played from 1971 up to now locked safely away at TD > lawyer's office in London. > > > > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR > >> > > This _is_ unbelievable. They are also probably irretrievable since > audio tapes that are twenty years old are most likely to be unplayable. The > chemicals in the tape, the bonding adhesives revert after this period of > time, even after controlled environment conditions. Well, Phil, I have a 120 min ( normal ferric tape) cassette of Stratosfear and part of Tangram that I recorded from the LP back in 1978. I have another one by Neuronium and other artiosts as well ( including Pink Floyd and ELP) None of them ara damaged so much to become umplayable. I can listen to them and thay keep its basic sound. May be a bit less treble content but still in very good conditions. Myu tapes never weren't on special chambers with controlled conditions and I have moved 4 times since i recordes them, and one of the movings was a major one ( from one continent ( South America) to another one( Europe). As I have mantioned earlier, Klaus has released a lot from his private tapes and although a bit of hiss is present it sounds marvelously. Some of those recordings are from 1972, 74, 75 and 75 and 76 but still sounding good ( only very minor dropouts). Well the released tapes are probably no more than 10% of what Shulze might have, but I don't think, based on my experience, 25 years is too much for a tape. Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:13 am Subject: Promoting e-musicians (no TD content) Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi e-musicians. I have an idea that I think might make minor musical history. There are several musicians on this list who could make use of it and there are huge number of very bright people who could help flesh it out and 'debug' the idea if it seems worthwhile. THE PROBLEM How does an aspirling e-musician start small on a modest budget and establish a fan base from which to launch a general 'assault' on the industry? THE IDEA (some of this is not new, but the combination is) 1- Make 200 CDRs of your stuff (cost: about $1300 in bulk plus a lot of time assuming you already have the equipment) or if you can afford it, make 1000 CDs (cost: about $5000). 2- Make 3 tapes with one excellent composition on each tape. 3- Make 3 copies of the tapes. 4- Find 3 nearby college towns. 5- Get to know the college radio jocks. 6- Give them each tape #1. Tell them there are 2 tapes to follow at 2 week intervals. Explain the scheme to them (be patient, by the end of this blurb you will know what I mean). 7- Rent a small, centrally located theater for an early evening show or a midnight show to be held about 2 months in the future. 8- Make 200 shrink wrapped CD cases containing the following: a- Very nice insert and back paper explaining this scheme and containing THE PROMISE (explained below) so that it is all readable from the outside. b- In place of the CD, put a ticket to your gig. (cost: about $40 in bulk for the cases plus the cost of printing tickets, inserts, and backpapers) 9- Get small, local underground record dealers to sell your CD cases for $15 each with $5 going to them (leaves you with $2000 when all the CD cases with tickets inside are sold). Explain the scheme to the shop owners. 10- Supply tape #2 and tape #3 to the college radio jocks at 2 week intervals for the next month. 11- Have your show, exchanging each ticket for one of your CDRs which you have put in a stout baggie. 12- Repeat steps 1 to 11 in a region a little further away. 13- Repeat steps 1 to 12, three more times (1000 CDRs have been 'given' away at this point). If you haven't been 'discovered' by this time, quit and go back to relying on your day job. THE PROMISE 1- The buyer of the CD case with ticket inside gains entrance to the show plus a 'free' CD to take home. 2- The CD that will be given to each ticket holder is a signed and numbered edition from a limited run of 1000 -- a collector's item of great potential future value. State this clearly on the backpaper. 3- State that if the show is cancelled or the ticket holder is unable to attend, the ticket can be mailed in to get the 'free' CD. 4- State that the limited CDs have all been made (intially, that may be a lie) so the ticket holder is guaranteed to at least get a CD out of the deal. Question: Can this scheme, or a similar scheme work? Of course, you could just try to sell CDs (or CDRs), but this scheme has a bit of a hook that might appeal to people's imagination. If you were able to get local media attention due to the unique nature of the hook, your gigs just might become 'events' in their own right. Regards -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1848 Re: Promoting e-musicians (no TD content) Plumer, Scott Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:47 am Subject: No Future Really-From: Mark Filipak I'm sure this has been answered in the fairly recent past, but I can't find it. I bought 'Risky Business' a couple of weeks ago and track 3, 'No Future', sounds like it was lifted from another album and some simple percussion and synth was laid on top. I've checked all the other albums and the only one left is 'Exit' which I used to have on LP, but haven't gotten on CD yet. Is 'No Future' from 'Exit'? Thanks for any info you can provide. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1836 Re: No Future Glendale4@a... Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB 1837 Re: No Future Sean Montgomery Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB 1847 Re: No Future Plumer, Scott Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB 1851 Re: No Future Mark Filipak Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:58 am Subject: Re: No Future Really-From: Glendale4@a... Mark - according to the copy of ' EXIT ' that I have the song you are looking for is NOT on this release. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 6:00 am Subject: Re: No Future Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Is 'No Future' from 'Exit'? It is indeed from Exit - in fact, it's the title track! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:22 pm Subject: artist promotion Really-From: ashok prema Subject: Promoting e-musicians (no TD content) >.Really-From: Mark Filipak >Hi e-musicians. I have an idea that I think might make minor musical h>>and there are huge number of very bright people who could help flesh >it out and 'debug' the idea if it seems worthwhile. >................................... 'free' CD. >4- State that the limited CDs have all been made (intially, > that may be a lie) so the ticket holder is guaranteed to > at least get a CD out of the deal. >Question: Can this scheme, or a similar scheme work? >Of course, you could just try to sell CDs (or CDRs), but this scheme has >a bit of a hook that might appeal to people's imagination. If you were >able to get local media attention due to the unique nature of the hook, >your gigs just might become 'events' in their own right. Thanks to Mark for a considered plan for promoting unknown musicians. I haven't thought about the pro's or con's of the idea - but his effort alone is to be lauded! Does anyone have a date for TD's concert in Amsterdam??? I'll certainly be keen to go there!! , Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1854 Re: artist promotion Marcel Engels Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB 1867 Re: artist promotion Paul Nagle Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:44 pm Subject: Tickets for the TD concert in Brussels available Really-From: Tom Coppens Hi you all, Surf to http://www.belgacom.be/olwr/ to order your tickets for the TD concert in Brussels. (they also sell tickets for the Jarre concert later this year) Gotta Run, Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 1:11 pm Subject: D: the list addendum Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' This is Lars' complete D: list addendum. If anyone had anything to add, let me or Lars know. April 7, WEEK 1) '70-'80 box set (4 non-LP tracks **+ remixes!**) April 14, WEEK 2) Dream Roots Collection: (primarily Disc 5; but any aspect of the DRC is open for discussion) April 21, WEEK 3) Goblin's Club April 28, WEEK 4) Oasis (who knows, by the time this comes up, it might be finally be out on cd!) may 5, WEEK 5) Rumpelstiltskin May 12, WEEK 6) Shepherd's Bush CD may 19, WEEK 7) Tangents (Primarily Disc 5, but any aspect of tangents would be open for discussion) may 26, WEEK 8) Three Phase - June 2, WEEK 9) Video Dream Mixes. Hopefully this will be out! June 9, WEEK 10) Other compiliations/etc 'OPEN WEEK' discussion This week would be used for discussing compilations not previously discussed and those which don't present new material but worthy in their own right because of editing or track selection (but not remixings or those which include new releases such Private Music of TD--see below) or whatever; this would include things like 'Dream Sequence', etc. This is also a week for anyone new or 'delinquent' on their D:list posts to catch up. before we move on to the D:solo list The d:solo list should start then on the week of June 16 cheers lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 1:49 pm Subject: Re: Me again... Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-03-13 21:06:36 EST, you write: << The band 777 is really called System 7 in the UK (where they are from), but go under the name 777 in the US because there is another band in the US called System 7 (I hope I'm right on this before I start another thread). historically, u are right on the money...but, the nomenclature confusion has been settled and system 7's latest, the power of 7, has been released in the us under its uk name...and what an excellent disc it is... tom w np: namlook/hawtin - from within (another excellent disc) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 8:57 pm Subject: Re: Me again... Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > > np: namlook/hawtin - from within (another excellent disc) > I agree. Have you got the second one? Is it worth searching out? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 8:05 pm Subject: Weekend Game Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Okay, I've just sent (or at east tried to send) amial to Mr. Matthew Bannister, controller of Radio One here in the UK. Imagine the scene : two weeks time, and I get mail back stating that he has agreed to my suggestion to produce a 2-hour show specifically for e-music. But only one pilot show will be produced to guage public interest, and he wants me to do it! (Come on, it's my game, I can make it as unrealistic as I like). So, the game is, what tracks would you select to show what a regular programme would provide? What would the first hour of music be in order to grab the attention of the listener (assuming that initially most listeners are fans of this type of music anyway - we'll worry about taking over the world later) and make them want to 'tune in again next week'? Anyone want to make suggestions? A couple of sprawling tracks? One of Namlook's hour-long pieces or a collage of shorter tracks? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 9:23 pm Subject: Yuk Yuk! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all... >> Just think how many bands there are with 'Wave' somewhere in the title? How >> many bands are there with the same name? There are three 'Kaleidoscopes' >> that I know of. And two Nirvana's. etc etc etc > >Well, you can do what they're had to do with certain bands with duplicate >names....letters! > >Tranquility Bass UK >Tranquility Bass X >The English Tranquility Bass >London Tranquility Bass > >*yuk yuk* Switching to _very_ heavy sarcasm mode : Oh this is so funny. Me and the Mrs just _stopped_ everything we did and laughed 'till we went to sleep over this one. My sides are still hurting from the fun and jolly japes as we... ... Switched out of sarcasm mode : Yes, ladies and gentlemen, I agree it is _very_ confusing. Cheers David email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 9:23 pm Subject: A thread worth reading? Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello, again... And finally... >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Now would someone kindly start a thread here worth reading? Over to you, Steve. Let's see if you can keep everybody's attention. I wait with baited breath... Cheers David email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 9:23 pm Subject: Promoting e-musicians Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Mark, your suggestions sound good. I'm going to reply to you privately because I'm beginning to wonder if one or two folk on the digest are just a little bored with me and Ash promoting our discs on the TD digest. >Really-From: Vic Rek > >Now I too will resume discussion on TD, not TB, OK? >Vic > Now would someone kindly start a thread here worth reading? > > -- Steven Feldman and > Hell, I thought we were plugging other EM bands as well...including TD. My passion is for EM of all flavours and not just my own music. I don't like 'spamming' the digest with blatent plugs for my album. Some issues were raised in public and I felt that it was appropriate to reply _in_public. Mark, should we approach Dave Datta and see if it's worth setting up a new discussion group aimed at folk who are interested in talking about _other_ EM bands? Vic, Steve : is it ok if I put my web page address as the bottom of my posts or should I just refrain from mailing the list? Everybody else : would you please, out of courtesy to others on the list, mail me privately if you have any questions regarding Tranquility Bass UK. I'm happy to discuss any issues you might have. And, yes, Vic and Steve : you guess it. I am somewhat pissed off with the above comments... David email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1849 Re: Promoting e-musicians Vic Rek Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB 1858 Re: Promoting e-musicians Mark Filipak Fri 3/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 2:39 pm Subject: Re: No Future Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> Is 'No Future' from 'Exit'? >It is indeed from Exit - in fact, it's the title track! I thought that one was 'Get off the babysitter.' Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 2:38 pm Subject: RE: Promoting e-musicians (no TD content) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >5- Get to know the college radio jocks. >6- Give them each tape #1. Tell them there are 2 tapes to > follow at 2 week intervals. Explain the scheme to them > (be patient, by the end of this blurb you will know what > I mean). You forgot something. Have your friends and yourself call the radio stations during the appropriate shows and request your music. Don't let on that you're associated with the band. A local Cleveland band did that, and eventually they landed themselves a rather lucrative national career. Their name? Nine Inch Nails. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 3:26 pm Subject: Re: Promoting e-musicians Really-From: Vic Rek Oh David! Sensitive, sensitive. Having a bad day? What in my statement pissed you off I'd like to know? The comment referred to your own in an earlier post anyway about returning to TD discussion, so I don't get it. And I started this 2 TBs thread in the first place. So relax, and if I could, I'd pour you a drink (make it a double-please!). Vic >>Now I too will resume discussion on TD, not TB, OK? >>Vic > >And, yes, Vic and Steve : you guess it. I am somewhat pissed off with the >above comments... > >David > >email : dhughes@g... >web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Updated 1997 tour list Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hi folks TD have updated the 1997 tour on their homepage. There's also a bunch of material up there about the Easter Island contest that's a fun read. For those of you without Web access, here's what they are calling the 'final' dates for the 1997 Europe tour, which is a good bit smaller than their first list (e.g. no dates in Switzerland and France, among other places). I'd guess there will be some disappointed people out there....no sign of British or American dates either. --John --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ - ---------------------------- Tickets are available from: Moderne Welt GmbH Marienbaderstr. 6/1, D-70372 Stuttgart Tel.: +49.711.9547474 Fax: +49.711.9547470 Tangerine Dream European Tour 1997 Starting at April 9th, Tangerine Dream will open the European Tour 1997 with the following concerts: Wed, 04/09/97 Vienna Museumquarti er Thu, 04/10/97 Stuttgart Filharmonie Fri, 04/11/97 Bonn Beethovenhal le Sat, 04/12/97 Munchen Circus Krone Bau Sun, 04/13/97 Erlangen Stadthalle Erlangen Tue, 04/15/97 Hamburg Musikhalle Wed, 04/16/97 Berlin Hochschule der Kuenste Thu, 04/17/97 Hannover Music Hall Fri, 04/18/97 Neu-Isenburg Hugenottenha lle Sat, 04/19/97 Brussels Ancienne Belgique Sun, 04/20/97 Amsterdam Melkweg Max Tue, 04/22/97 Budapest Petofi Csarnok Wed, 04/23/97 Zabrze (Poland) Dom Muziki I Tanca Thu, 04/24/97 Prague Sky Club Brumlovka Sat, 05/31/97 Athen Lycabetus Theater Sun, 06/01/97 Thessaloniki to be announced Fri, 07/11/97 to Sun, 07/13/97 Doctor Music Festival near Barcelona/Spain This are the final dates for the first part of the '97 Tour. We will keep you informed about further dates in spring and summer as soon as the details have been worked out. TD has the most busiest year one can imagine in front of them - so they are booked for lots of projects which hopefully will still allow them to see as many of you as possible during gigs in Europe and elsewhere. This list was last updated on Thu, 03/12/97. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1871 Re: Updated 1997 tour list Francisco Salgado C. Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 4:19 pm Subject: Re: No Future Really-From: Mark Filipak The track's full name is indeed 'No Future (Get Off the Babysitter)'. I was just conserving bandwidth. :-) -- Mark tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >> Is 'No Future' from 'Exit'? > > >It is indeed from Exit - in fact, it's the title track! > > I thought that one was 'Get off the babysitter.' > > Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TDI, TotT, ToB (was Re: A thread worth reading?) Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Struck Dumb for the Nonce' >Subject: A thread worth reading? >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:23:34 GMT >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > >>Really-From: Steven Feldman >> >> Now would someone kindly start a thread here worth reading? > >Over to you, Steve. Let's see if you can keep everybody's attention. Right now, I couldn't because I don't really have much to say; I wouldn't even venture to try. I got two flame war-type of postings off my chest and I'm content to return to lurker status for a bit, now. >I wait with baited breath... Don't bother. You'll probably be disappointed. Sorry, but the TD list has gotten too busy. It's not that the signal to noise ratio is imbalanced or anything; it's just that there's too much going on for me to read if I want to continue to have a job where I read this stuff. Oh, I do have one question: if the TDI versions of TotT and ToB both say 'Limited Edition' or whatnot on them, what's to prevent these so-called 'limited editions' from being the *only* editions? Somehow, I don't see TDI releasing non-limited versions afterwards. I mean, why waste the time and effort? Am I missing something? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1865 Re: TDI, TotT, ToB (was Re: A thread worth readin Mark Filipak Fri 3/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:19 pm Subject: Re: Me again... Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-03-14 09:20:28 EST, you write: << > np: namlook/hawtin - from within (another excellent disc) > I agree. Have you got the second one? Is it worth searching out? >> didnt know there was one...but now i WILL be searching for it....thanks for the tip....regards, tom w np: atom heart/inoue/laswell - second nature From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:31 pm Subject: Re: artist promotion Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Does anyone have a date for TD's concert in Amsterdam??? I'll certainly be > keen to go there!! > > > , Ash Tangerine Dream in Amsterdam. sunday april 20 Melkweg Amsterdam begins at 21.00h Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:51 pm Subject: New TD lineup / see oficial web page Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' NEW LINE-UP Another big surprise for all who will attend the European shows - you will see and hear the new incarnation of TD. Edgar & Jerome decided long before their Shepherd´s Bush gig in London Nov.96 that the last chapter of a long decade using Sax and various 'normal' Instruments will be over. Shepherd´s Bush was the last gig of the old Line-up. On the upcoming european tour you will see on stage: Jerome Froese Keyboards & Programming Edgar Froese Keyboards & Programming/Guitar Marc Alexej Guitar & Guitar FX Emil Hachfeld Electronic Percussion & Codotronic As far as the show is concerned you will enter into a very inspiring room of sounds and visuals ......... (as you know it from TD). +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1861 Re: New TD lineup / see oficial web page Mark Filipak Fri 3/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 1:05 am Subject: Force Majeure Revelation! Really-From: ashok prema Heeeeeeeey! I'm listening to 'Force Majeure ' and guess what?? the 'Big Ben BONGGGGG' comes in so near to 12 mins in the track (Ok 11m .47s) GEDDIT?? 12.noon! Is this a coincidence ??? Or just my imagination running overtime! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 1:03 am Subject: new line up Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > >NEW LINE-UP > >[...] > > Jerome Froese Keyboards & Programming > Edgar Froese Keyboards & Programming/Guitar > Marc Alexej Guitar & Guitar FX > Emil Hachfeld Electronic Percussion & Codotronic > >As far as the show is concerned you will enter into a very inspiring >room >of sounds and visuals ......... (as you know it from TD). >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= >++++++ > > so I won't meet Linda in Bonn? buuuhh Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1866 Re: new line up Mark Filipak Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 6:12 pm Subject: Re: Promoting e-musicians Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Vic Rek > > Oh David! > > Sensitive, sensitive. Having a bad day? What in my statement > pissed you off I'd like to know? The comment referred to your own > in an earlier post anyway about returning to TD discussion, so I > don't get it. And I started this 2 TBs thread in the first place. > So relax, and if I could, I'd pour you a drink (make it a > double-please!). > > Vic David's just paranoid that he's SPAMing the list. He's even afraid to put his web page in his sig for fear that he'll offend someone. Hey Dave! We love ya. (These sensitive guys have to be handled gently) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 6:20 pm Subject: Poland one more time.. Really-From: Michael Fox FYI: Looking at the US Relativity release of 2LP Poland index # is EMC8045. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: The Oasis **CD** and new Gob Club CD! Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hold onto your wallets, everyone.... Thanks Francisco, for pointing out the info about the new TD lineup (no more Linda Spa, it looks like). Anyone know what a 'Codotronic' is? Without sax accompaniment and WITH a dedicated 'electronic percussionist' it looks like you lucky devils who'll see the tour will likely hear some totally new music! I checked the Webpage and I see even more info about the tour they just posted, about merchandising: They'll be selling 'prerelease' copies of the 'Oasis' music CD release at the shows as well as a new 'Australian' version of Goblin's Club. AAAAAAAAAARGH. The quote from the newsticker is below: OASIS & GOBLINS CLUB AUSTRALIAN VERSION During the tour you will also have the chance to get pre-sale releases of the Oasis soundtrack (full CD length) and a new version of Goblins Club released officially in Australia only. This Version has a different artwork and one track change. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 6:51 pm Subject: Re: New TD lineup / see oficial web page Really-From: Mark Filipak Francisco Salgado wrote: > > NEW LINE-UP > > Another big surprise for all who will attend the European shows - you > will see and hear the new incarnation of TD. Edgar & Jerome decided > long before their Shepherd´s Bush gig in London Nov.96 that the last > chapter of a long decade using Sax and various 'normal' Instruments > will be over. Shepherd´s Bush was the last gig of the old Line-up. On > the upcoming european tour you will see on stage: > > Jerome Froese Keyboards & Programming > Edgar Froese Keyboards & Programming/Guitar > Marc Alexej Guitar & Guitar FX > Emil Hachfeld Electronic Percussion & Codotronic > > As far as the show is concerned you will enter into a very inspiring > room of sounds and visuals ......... (as you know it from TD). Somehow I had the feeling that 'Dream Mixes' and 'Goblins' Club' marked an experiment that had to end and that some serious shit was going to happen next. Nothing prescient on my part -- just the realization that things couldn't continue as they had been. And remember that Edgar has been screwing around with his 'E-Ball'. Will you guys see it on stage? Hmmmm.... Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 7:54 pm Subject: tape archiving Really-From: Fausto Montoya The oldest tape in my collection is a recording of a Police album made in 1978. It still plays fine. My mother used to tape me too when I was very young. Right now I'm listening to a cassette that is 24 years old and it sounds ok, though the treble is quite bad, though of course that should be because of how it was recorded in one of the first philips mono cassette recorders. Now, if we are talking of 1/2 inch reel tape, I think it should last much longer, maybe over a century. So I guess TD concerts are still safe. Juan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 7:00 pm Subject: Has the torch been passed? (was: New TD lineup) Really-From: Mark Filipak Francisco Salgado wrote: > > NEW LINE-UP > > Another big surprise for all who will attend the European shows - you > will see and hear the new incarnation of TD. Edgar & Jerome decided > long before their Shepherd´s Bush gig in London Nov.96 that the last > chapter of a long decade using Sax and various 'normal' Instruments > will be over. Shepherd´s Bush was the last gig of the old Line-up. On > the upcoming european tour you will see on stage: > > Jerome Froese Keyboards & Programming > Edgar Froese Keyboards & Programming/Guitar > Marc Alexej Guitar & Guitar FX > Emil Hachfeld Electronic Percussion & Codotronic > > As far as the show is concerned you will enter into a very inspiring > room of sounds and visuals ......... (as you know it from TD). I had to check the TD web page myself to confirm this. Jerome is listed first, exactly as above. Has the torch been passed? Double-Hmmmm.... Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1868 Re: Has the torch been passed? (was: New TD lineu Sean Montgomery Fri 3/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: D: _Underwater Sunlight_ Really-From: Marshall Wood _Underwater Sunlight_ (1986) Rating: 5 AS This was among my first TD purchases, and has been a favorite since my first listen. 'Song of the Whale' is awesome. The breathy keyboard sounds in part one evoke the immense bulk of the whale moving effortlessly through the water. And Froese's guitar is suitably powerful in its suggestion of the majesty of the graceful undersea behemoth. 'Dolphin Dance' is appropriately playful, as the title would suggest. A bouncy beat, more powerful guitar leads, and lively keyboard work really make this track stand out from the more 'commercial' tracks (e.g., 'Dominion') that TD recorded back during the Schmoelling years. Those tracks never did anything for me. There is some great bass work on 'Ride on the Ray,' and more guitar soloing from Froese. Bliss! 'Scuba Scuba' takes a break from the electric guitar, instead concentrating on new percussive sounds. I love the multiple layers of keyboards on 'Underwater Twilight.' Great percussion on this one as well. A nice way to come down after a thrilling ride. Sonic ecstasy. My highest recommendation. 5 AS. MWood From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 7:23 pm Subject: Re: TDI, TotT, ToB (was Re: A thread worth reading?) Really-From: Mark Filipak Steven Feldman wrote: > > Oh, I do have one question: if the TDI versions of TotT and ToB > both say 'Limited Edition' or whatnot on them, what's to prevent these > so-called 'limited editions' from being the *only* editions? Somehow, > I don't see TDI releasing non-limited versions afterwards. I mean, why > waste the time and effort? Am I missing something? You're not missing anything that I can see. TDI may continue to put out 'limited' editions, but there's that little American company called Miramar that one must assume is still cranking out truely limited (read: crippled) CDs for us American consumers to buy.... and they own the license in these here parts. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 7:03 pm Subject: Re: new line up Really-From: Mark Filipak Armin wrote: > > so I won't meet Linda in Bonn? buuuhh Buck up Armin. Maybe she has some time on her hands now. :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 2:08 am Subject: Re: artist promotion Really-From: Paul Nagle On Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:22:55, Ash wrote: >Does anyone have a date for TD's concert in Amsterdam??? I'll certainly be >keen to go there!! Amsterdam huh? I've only just recovered strength (and bodily fluids) from my last visit (which, incidentally, was also on the pretence of watching some EM....) Might see you there Ash. Mind you after some of those funny cigarettes I think I did last time.... 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 7:42 pm Subject: Re: Has the torch been passed? (was: New TD lineup) Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > Jerome Froese Keyboards & Programming > > Edgar Froese Keyboards & Programming/Guitar > > Marc Alexej Guitar & Guitar FX > > Emil Hachfeld Electronic Percussion & Codotronic > > I had to check the TD web page myself to confirm this. Jerome is listed > first, exactly as above. Has the torch been passed? Interesting point, but I wouldn't wonder about it too much. I suspect it's still very much a partnership. I will be curious to hear what effect this shift will now have on the band's sound. I assume this means we will no longer have to endure 'Dreamtime'. Who are the two new guys? Two more hired guns? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 12:49 am Subject: Re: Poland versions Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:45:28 -0600 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: feldon@n... > > >At 11:22 AM 3/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Really-From: dbrewer@a... >> >>Try to find the Relativity 2CD version of Poland, if you can. (I know it's >>been stated before, but it should be driven into the ground!!! :-) ) > >Someone said that it's out of print or extremely difficult to find. If >anyone needs it, I know a music store where the Poland 2CD set has been >patiently waiting for someone to buy it for almost a year now... > >Morgan >feldon@n... Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1889 Re: Poland versions Dennis Nigbur Sat 3/15/1997 2 KB 2098 Poland versions feldon@n... Wed 3/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 8:24 pm Subject: D: Next week White Eagle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2020 D: Next week Plumer, Scott Fri 3/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 9:29 pm Subject: Re: Updated 1997 tour list Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Fri, 07/11/97 to > Sun, 07/13/97 Doctor Music Festival near Barcelona/Spain Good by to my Madid concert !!! Well That concert is near France !!!, and in the middle of a Macro Festival with more than 80 artists !!!. There is only a global fee for the whole festival ( 3 days ) not for an specific concert. The place for me is really awfull, I don't think I could go. I reccoment you to go to the link 'doctor Music Festival' that is on that line and see --> http://www.putput.intercom.es/ regards francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TD: Too Prolific Really-From: Steven Feldman In an attempt to impress a friend with how much product TD has churned out over the past two years, I selected every TD album, solo album, soundtrtack album, compilation album, and video, and came up with this staggering list: (17 or 20 items, depending on how figure it.) -- Steven Feldman and + + + + + + + TANGERINE DREAM POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 5.0, by Steven Feldman (3/10/97): 5 96 GOBLINS' CLUB ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK RECORDINGS: ? 93 OASIS (video recorded in 1993; video release in 1996; CD release in 1997) 7 94 ZONING (video sndtrck; 1st rel 1996; white tray, booklet)[a Froese solo?] ? 97 THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES COMPILATIONS: - 96 ATMOSPHERICS [similar to the FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK compilation] 8 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of 95 rel has diff cover and a 2nd disk) ? THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set, with one all-new CD) - TANGERINE DREAM (all of PHAEDRA, half of RUBYCON, STRATOSFEAR title cut) - 97 THE BRICK ([Miramar] ROCKOON, 220 V, TURN, TYRANNY, and D MIXES in a box) PETER BAUMANN (1972-1977) solos: - 96 PHASE BY PHASE ([{UK} Virgin Vault] compilation) CHRISTOPH(ER) FRANKE (1971-1989) solos: ? 96 NIGHT OF THE RUNNING MAN (cabl TV sndtrck; w/ Berlin Symphonic Film Orch) ? THE CELESTINE PROPHESY (based on the book) ? TENCHI MUYO IN LOVE--THE MOVIE (sndtrck to Japanimation movie; digipak) ? PERRY RHODAN: PAX TERRA (inspired by a series of sci-fi novels) ? 97 BABYLON 5, VOLUME 2: MESSAGES FROM EARTH (TV soundtrack) ? TRANSFORMATION OF MIND (narration by Deepak Chopra, music by Franke) (PAUL) HASLINGER (1986-1990) solos: [See also LIGHTWAVE and COMA VIRUS (other bands featuring Haslinger), listings for which follow the Tributes to Tangerine Dream section.] ? 96 WORLD WITHOUT RULES TRIBUTES TO TANGERINE DREAM (Tangerine Dream Tribute Albums) ? 96 TANGERINE AMBIENCE--A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM (Hypnotic [Cleopatra]) 4 THE KEEP by the Fantasy Merchants (German; tracks from 6 diff TD sndtrks) COMA VIRUS (featuring Paul Haslinger ? 96 HIDDEN Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1874 Re: TD: Too Prolific dbrewer@a... Fri 3/14/1997 3 KB 1875 Re: TD: Too Prolific Sean Montgomery Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB 1885 Re: TD: Too Prolific PENFOLD Sat 3/15/1997 3 KB 1993 Re: TD: Too Prolific Francisco Salgado C. Thu 3/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 9:57 pm Subject: Baumann's Chasing The Dream Really-From: Tony Marshall >I was listening to Transharmonic Nights on my way into >work this AM.. what TD track is 'Chasing the Dream' based >on? Something from 'Stratosfear'? > That's what it reminds me of. It's by far the best thing Baumann has ever done.. Tony Marshall |#include ----------------------|--------------------------------------------------- My Mystery Tune Page http://www.personal.u-net.com/~zigzag From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 10:20 pm Subject: Re: TD: Too Prolific Really-From: dbrewer@a... This is along the lines of what happened to me today. I was sitting in the library studying, and I had my '92 NA tour shirt on. A friend of mine noticed the shirt and started talking with me, saying he had a couple of albums starting with Optical Race, but hasn't been keeping up with the band's output lately. I told him I had over 50 CDs of theirs (not counting the solo albums), and he had to confirm 'Five-zero??!'. Then I said something about them being around for nearly 30 years and being about as prolific as the Beatles to help justify the number. I don't think it's too much... Hey, I gotta be obsessive about something! :-) Dave Brewer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1875 Re: TD: Too Prolific Sean Montgomery Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 10:53 pm Subject: Re: TD: Too Prolific Really-From: Sean Montgomery > band's output lately. I told him I had over 50 CDs of theirs (not counting > the solo albums), and he had to confirm 'Five-zero??!'. This is how I reacted when, after a couple of months of being interested in the band, I found a record store with good collection of their albums. My jaw dropped. At that point, that interest became a full-time hobby. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 2:35 am Subject: Re: TD does the classics Really-From: Boneheads1@a... How about the theme from the old TV show 'Batman'? It would be in keeping with their soundtrack work. Or maybe the 'Addams Family'? They could do analogue finger snaps for a techno twist... Tim From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 4:59 am Subject: Free Income Opportunity Info! Really-From: alanmako@t... We believe that the following information may be of interest to you. If this is not the case, then we apologize for your inconvenience and ask that you simply delete this message. We do not keep a 'remove' list because our bulk email software automatically keeps track of the email addresses we have already sent this message to. 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Thank-you for taking the time to read this message! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1878 Re: Free Income Opportunity Info! Levente.Toth Sat 3/15/1997 3 KB 1884 Re: Free Income Opportunity Info! PENFOLD Sat 3/15/1997 3 KB 1888 Re: Free Income Opportunity Info! Jeff Kortsch Sat 3/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 8:54 am Subject: Re: Free Income Opportunity Info! Really-From: 'Levente.Toth' tadream mailing list wrote: > May I have your permission to email you some more information? > I'd like to email you more information about a fantastic income opportunity > which pays you a multi-level commission for referring people to high-quality > nutritional and skincare products. Now this certainly made my day. Who the hell are these people? And how many more of this s***t will be posted inthe future? Levente **************************************************************** * Levente Toth (levi@c...) - Centre for Intelligent * * Systems, University of Plymouth, Drake Circus, Plymouth * * Devon,England WEB: www.cis.plym.ac.uk/cis/levi/home.html * * Tel: 44-1752-233514, 233516 / Fax: 44-1752-232583 * **************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 5:01 pm Subject: TD's Amsterdam gig Really-From: ashok prema ally-From: Paul Nagle On Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:22:55, Ash wrote: >>Does anyone have a date for TD's concert in Amsterdam??? I'll certainly be >>keen to go there!! >Amsterdam huh? I've only just recovered strength (and bodily fluids) >from my last visit (which, incidentally, was also on the pretence of >watching some EM....) >Might see you there Ash. Mind you after some of those funny cigarettes >I think I did last time.... 8-) Paul - Amsterdam's so full of amateurs - that I make sure that full control of my bodily fluids stay ALWAYS in my own capable hands!! Cracking restaurants though!! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 7:27 pm Subject: promoting e-musicians Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >You forgot something. Have your friends and yourself call the radio >stations during the appropriate shows and request your music. Don't let >on that you're associated with the band. A local Cleveland band did >that, and eventually they landed themselves a rather lucrative national >career. Their name? Nine Inch Nails. Scott, this is a really good idea which we've tried in the past but our local student radio station won't play anything other than dance music. Our local commercial station just puts the phone down on local bands. Our BBC station which is mainly 'talk-based' does play tracks by local musicians but I gather this is at around ten AM on Sunday morning just after the whippet racing results. This means l..o...w.... audiences. We are, however, going to approach them to see if they would be interested in a two-hour 'pilot' show along the lines that Craig suggested earlier. I'll let you know what happens. Thanks David email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 12:59 pm Subject: Re: UNSCRIBE Really-From: Bill Murphy 'UNSUBSCRIBE' TADREAM MAILING LIST nstn1309@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 2:46 pm Subject: Re: Dream Roots Collection Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ingo_P=FCschmann?=' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Re: Dream Roots Collection > Date: Sonntag, 9. März 1997 03:51 > > Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > > > Quoted From: 'Ceb Blankenship, Jr.' > > > > Hello! I recently purchased Tangents and I think its great!! I've > > been a TD fan since 1973. The great thing about Edgar's remixing > > and updating on Tangents is that its like hearing all the old Virgin > > stuff like new again and comparing it to the old recordings. > > I agree with you! Between the remixed versions of songs already released > and the new tracks on disc 5 (which I don't think are all *that* bad, > just a mild disappointment with the absence of the 70-80 tracks and a few > others), I think this is a fine addition to most any fan's collection. > (with a few exceptions! :-) ) > > > > > I admit I've been lurking on this list awhile and have really enjoyed > > the discussions and knowledge put forth about TD. I also know this > > subject has been discussed before but I need clarification again... > > Last night I saw the 'Dream Roots Collection' at Borders Books and > > Music here in Wash. DC. Since I probably have every TD cd (including > > the SBM versions) is this box set worth buying? I know one CD has > > some unreleased tracks, are they any good? Did Edgar tangetize all > > the other cuts with updated sounds? Is the sound quality as good as > > Tangents? What does the booklet included contain? Need some help > > with this guys, so if any of you have purchased DRC please respond. > > Thanks and DREAM ON!!! > > If you liked Tangents, you should like DRC. It's pretty much the same > idea, only with different periods of music. I do wish that the 70-73 > tracks had more representation, but at least there's some on there. DRC > disc 5 is quite a bit better than Tangents disc 5 (I think most anyone > here will tell you this). They're all Froese/Franke compositions, and > they sound like them too (i.e. classic :-) ) All of the previously > released tracks were remastered and remixed, but I don't think any were > completely rerecorded/reperformed. Sound quality is professional, like > Tangents. The booklet has some info about the history of the band during > these time periods, and 95(!) photos of the band from the late 60's up to > present day. (you finally get to see what The Ones looked like!) > > I hope this helped! > > Dave Brewer > > np- 220 Volt Live (it's rare when I have to work on a terminal w/ a CD > drive and think to bring in discs!) bla..... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6248 Dream Roots Collection Michael A Jean Sun 8/3/1997 3 KB 21972 Dream Roots Collection Brian M. Frick Sat 4/15/2000 2 KB 21973 Re: Dream Roots Collection Rainer Rutka Sat 4/15/2000 3 KB 21974 Re: Dream Roots Collection Andrew Rozsa Sat 4/15/2000 2 KB 21980 Re: Dream Roots Collection Gustavo Jobim Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22018 Re: Dream Roots Collection Andrew Rozsa Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22029 Re: Dream Roots Collection =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Vill Mon 4/17/2000 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 2:24 pm Subject: Re: tape archiving (non-TD content) At 19:54 97·03·14 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: Fausto Montoya > Now, if we are talking of 1/2 inch reel tape, I think it should >last much longer, maybe over a century. So I guess TD concerts are still >safe. When my Grandfather passed away in '76 we were sent his recorder to make copies of recordings. We discovered why we were sent the machine as well. The thing was a *wire* recorder. 'I've always wanted to try to ship a box of helium balloons that floated every so slightly. Do you think that Fed Ex would pay *me* to ship that box?' - Steve Gere /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 2:25 pm Subject: Re: Free Income Opportunity Info! At 08:54 97·03·15 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Levente.Toth' >Now this certainly made my day. Who the hell are these people? And how >many more of this s***t will be posted inthe future? I just emailed this a**h**e his spam back at him with a message I'd bill him $2300 if he sent me something like this again, then I attached ~10K of nothing but the word SPAM (that *always* makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside) 'I am Ed McMahon of Borg: You may have already been assimilated!' - Anon. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 2:25 pm Subject: Re: TD: Too Prolific At 15:20 97·03·14 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: dbrewer@a... >This is along the lines of what happened to me today. I was sitting in I was at work (on break) perusing my copy of _Voices_In_The_Dunes_ that I pulled out of storage (I usually use Alan Michaels book) and a mundane asked me what the book was, to which I nonchalantly replied that it was a guide to the worldwide releases of TD's music. He already knew that I was a TD fan, and it was so satisfying to see his eyes bug at the *thickness* of the book. 'So how many of their albums do you have?' 'Not including the vinyl.....75CDs' he wordlessly walks away to let me continue reading. Don't you just *love* freaking people out like that? 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 2:24 pm Subject: D:_UnderH20_Sunlight_ For some strange reason, I feel compelled to dim the lights when I listen to this one, perhaps because some pieces were played during the '88 N America tour @ the Universal Ampitheatre (my first TD Concert, second time at UA (the first was when it was open-air and I saw Steve Martin and the *Blues*Brothers* open for him (FYI: the BB album _Briefcase_Full_Of_Blues_ was recorded at this concert!) and this album invokes strong memories (The fact that my fuel pump broke on my car back from the concert doesn't diminish the magic of that night.) The Froese/Franke/Haslinger lineup was superb and ranks with the F/F/Schmoelling lineup And The Survey Says!..... 5AS! 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 12:55 pm Subject: Re: network 388 Really-From: jeffrey@i... Hi To obtain a copy of Network 388 send a self stamped return reply envelope (4X32 cent stamps in the US / 5 international reply coupons or $3 US for postage to Europe/ $2 US to Canada) and a blank cassette or $2 which gets you either a Maxell XLII 90 or TDK SA 90 to: Jeff Bergman 215 E 95th ST Apt 11K New York, NY 10128 Thanks for your interest and I hope you enjoy the tape. Jeff Michael Fox wrote: > > Greetings! I would like to get a copy of this. How/what do I need to send you? > Thanks, > Mike ////// >Hi > I would like to have a copy of Network 388 please. What's your address > to send you a blank tape? See ya! :) Michael (: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 4:51 pm Subject: Re: Free Income Opportunity Info! Really-From: Jeff Kortsch tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Levente.Toth' > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > May I have your permission to email you some more information? > > I'd like to email you more information about a fantastic income opportunity > > which pays you a multi-level commission for referring people to high-quality > > nutritional and skincare products. > > Now this certainly made my day. Who the hell are these people? And how > many more of this s***t will be posted inthe future? > > Levente I have to agree on this one. Who asked them to spam here? I think we should forward all tadream posts to them - give them something to read so they don't have time to spam.... Jeff Spamming is aptly named - the meat product is also kinda odd and just as appealing...;) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 9:01 pm Subject: Re: Poland versions Really-From: Dennis Nigbur >On Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:45:28 -0600 tadream mailing list > wrote: >>Really-From: feldon@n... >> >>Someone said that it's out of print or extremely difficult to find. If >>anyone needs it, I know a music store where the Poland 2CD set has >been >>patiently waiting for someone to buy it for almost a year now... >> >>Morgan >>feldon@n... Er...there seems to be something that has gone wrong about my last reply. What I asked was whether that music store is actually anywhere near me (Canterbury, Kent, GB). If it's not, then I'm afraid I won't get hold of the full version in the near future. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 7:25 pm Subject: Re: Beaubourg Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) I've always been a big fan of Vangelis, but I've got to say that Beaubourg and Invisible Connections are almost unlistenable and unbearable!! Larry On Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:52:30 -0500 tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) writes: >Really-From: Gary Davis > > >><< >Vangelis-Beaubourg >> >> You gotta be kidding. This sound like he threw all the pots and pans >> from kitchen down a flight of stairs and recorded it. This was the >> second Vangelis album I bought. It was also the last. I sold it back >to >> the shop. >> >> Scott >> > >This is one of two truly 'out there' albums by Vangelis, the other >being >Invisible Connections on Deutsche Grammaphone, the classical label. >It is >really a shame that Scott has made such a judgement on Vangelis based >on so >uncharacteristic a work. I would strongly recommend you give Vangelis >another shot. He's really one of the best. Try some more recent >things >like Voices, Blade Runner or 1492. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1900 Re: Beaubourg PNaunton@a... Sun 3/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 10:06 pm Subject: a new lineup? Really-From: Gabe Yedid First off, what in blazes is a 'Codotronic'? Is it the first of the new generation of instruments that will include the E-ball? (Somehow I think not.) I was rather surprised to see that Jerome has apparently given up his axe for the tour, doing keyboards and 'puters full-time (it seems)! And his name did come first...so I have to wonder, too, whether he is (by design) taking over direction of the band little by little. This seems to confirm he *is* the new 'Franke' (in position if not capability), and will have the majority of compositional input--making him the new Edgar! It's also unclear from the announcement in just what capacity these 2 new guys are with the band: live guns? dedicated instrumentalists? Full-time TD members, WITH considerable compositional input? I was tempted to think this was a rather Kraftwerk-like lineup (but KW had no guitarists and 2 dedicated e-percussionists). This lineup might not even survive the tour! (Remember 1988) I also think the suppositon of a new style is premature. It'd be darn unusual for TD to launch a new style with a tour; usually the tour has supported the current style and album. Then again, this tour's music might have sort of the same relationship to the Goblin style that the 1992 tour did to _Rockoon_. Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1897 Re: a new lineup? Mark Filipak Sun 3/16/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 10:45 pm Subject: no more Linda? Really-From: Gabe Yedid I guess this new lineup means Linda is through with the band? I wonder if she and Edgar had a falling out? Ed: 'You know, I'm starting to think that 'Elf June' really DID sound like a bad Charles Aznavour song...' (Linda packs her bags and walks out in a huff) Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1903 Re: no more Linda? Christian von_Toerne Sun 3/16/1997 2 KB 1905 Re: no more Linda? Mark Filipak Sun 3/16/1997 3 KB 1915 Re: no more Linda? feldon@n... Sun 3/16/1997 4 KB 1944 Re: no more Linda? gary.cresswell1@v... Tue 3/18/1997 3 KB 1957 Re: no more Linda? Grant Middleton Wed 3/19/1997 3 KB 1958 Re: no more Linda? Craig R. J. Cordrey Wed 3/19/1997 3 KB 2002 Re: no more Linda? Simon W. Hood Fri 3/21/1997 2 KB 1988 Re: no more Linda? PNaunton@a... Thu 3/20/1997 2 KB 1996 Re: no more Linda? gary.cresswell1@v... Thu 3/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 7:44 pm Subject: 'Tyger' 12 inch Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Tyger Fans. In his discography Dave Datta has this entry: 1987 Tyger See the album Tyger for more information Tyger The Tyger 21st Century Common Man Parts I and II LP Jive 20781 (UK) The 3rd track is a no-brainer, but the tracks 1 & 2 are a mystery to me. Would anyone who has this please contact me off-list? Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 8:33 pm Subject: 'Streethawk' 12' Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Streethawk Fans. Dave's discography has this entry: 1985 Streethawk Streethawk Tiergarten Gaudi Park Warsaw in the Suns Part 1 Warsaw in the Suns Part 2 12' Jive Electro T101 Would anyone who has this please give me a jingle? Thanks -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1912 Re: 'Streethawk' 12' Jim Moore Sun 3/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 6:08 pm Subject: House of the Rising Sun Really-From: Mark Filipak It's been pretty well established that track 12 of 'Sound and Effects' (bootleg of the 7 Sep 88 New York concert) is actually a live version of 'Assassin' with Mark Sheeve doing the playing. I have two related questions. 1- Was Mark on stage as part of the show or was this pirated from something else? 2- Is 'House of the Rising Sun' found at the end of 'Collected Endings' (29 Aug 88 Columbus, Ohio show) the same song and the same story? Sorry, I don't have either of these, but would like to know for my discography. Thanks -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1898 Re: House of the Rising Sun Vic Rek Sun 3/16/1997 3 KB 1917 Re: House of the Rising Sun TWeibre361@a... Mon 3/17/1997 2 KB 1926 Re: House of the Rising Sun Mark Filipak Mon 3/17/1997 2 KB 7116 House of the Rising Sun Dave Lane Tue 9/16/1997 2 KB 7119 Re: House of the Rising Sun Sean Montgomery Tue 9/16/1997 4 KB 7122 Re: House of the Rising Sun Gabe Yedid Tue 9/16/1997 3 KB 7124 Re: House of the Rising Sun Sean Montgomery Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB 7130 Re: House of the Rising Sun Gabe Yedid Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB 7137 Re: House of the Rising Sun Grant Middleton Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 11:56 pm Subject: Blade Runner Really-From: 'Kenneth W. Beal' I was just now browsing the 'TEN Music' web site in the UK. They had a cd titled 'Blade Runner' listed along with all the other Tangwerine Dream cds. Anybody know what this is? ken Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1899 Re: Blade Runner Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 3/16/1997 3 KB 1918 Re: Blade Runner The Checkered Demon Mon 3/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 1:10 am Subject: Re: a new lineup? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > First off, what in blazes is a 'Codotronic'? Is it the first of the > new generation of instruments that will include the E-ball? (Somehow I > think not.) > > I was rather surprised to see that Jerome has apparently given up his > axe for the tour, doing keyboards and 'puters full-time (it seems)! > And his name did come first...so I have to wonder, too, whether he is > (by design) taking over direction of the band little by little. This > seems to confirm he *is* the new 'Franke' (in position if not > capability), and will have the majority of compositional input--making > him the new Edgar! > > It's also unclear from the announcement in just what capacity these 2 > new guys are with the band: live guns? dedicated instrumentalists? > Full-time TD members, WITH considerable compositional input? I was > tempted to think this was a rather Kraftwerk-like lineup (but KW had no > guitarists and 2 dedicated e-percussionists). This lineup might not > even survive the tour! (Remember 1988) > > I also think the suppositon of a new style is premature. It'd be darn > unusual for TD to launch a new style with a tour; usually the tour has > supported the current style and album. Then again, this tour's music > might have sort of the same relationship to the Goblin style that the > 1992 tour did to _Rockoon_. > > Gabe Sure the supposition of a new style is premature. So's the supposition that 'he *is* the new 'Franke ... and ... the new Edgar!' All this supposin' has made me a little tired... think I'll go to sleep and do a little dreaming....... (( Hmmmmm.... What a great show. What a song list -- I didn't recognize a single tune. And how everything just blended together like one big orgasm. Guess TD really has reverted to their old show repetoir -- where they don't do covers of their albums. Hmmmmmm.... )) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 2:24 am Subject: Re: House of the Rising Sun Really-From: Vic Rek At 10:08 AM 3/15/97 -0800, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >It's been pretty well established that track 12 of 'Sound and Effects' >(bootleg of the 7 Sep 88 New York concert) is actually a live version of >'Assassin' with Mark Sheeve doing the playing. I have two related >questions. > >1- Was Mark on stage as part of the show or was this pirated from > something else? This is Mark Shreeve's 'Assassin' being played live and I'm pretty sure it's by him and that Tangerine Dream has nothing to do with it. Please correct me if this is not the case. > >2- Is 'House of the Rising Sun' found at the end of 'Collected Endings' > (29 Aug 88 Columbus, Ohio show) the same song and the same story? No, the last few minutes played at the end of this CD, is the 'House of the Rising Sun' played by Tangerine Dream. Besides the flexi from the magazine it comes from, you can also find the studio version on the rare CD-R called Rare Trax 1 (limited edition of 20 numbered copies). From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 11:08 pm Subject: Re: Blade Runner Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 04:56 PM 3/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Kenneth W. Beal' > > >I was just now browsing the 'TEN Music' web site in the UK. They had a cd >titled 'Blade Runner' listed along with all the other Tangwerine Dream cds. > >Anybody know what this is? > >ken > The American 'Blade Runner' (Sylva Treasury STD 5003) is a compilation of 'Synthesizer Soundtracks.' Track # Title Composed by/Performed by (from 'movie' if other than title) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- 1. The Hitcher - Mark Isham 2. Heart of Midnight - Yanni 3. Big Trouble in Little China - Carpenter/Daniel Caine 4. Haunted Summer - Christopher Young 5. The Boar - Klaus Doldinger/Mark Ayres ('The Longest Day') 6. Revenge - Jack Nitzsche 7. Lock Up - Bill Conti/Mark Ayres ('Stallone') 8. The Park is Mine - Tangerine Dream 9. I Love You Perfect - Yanni 10.Halloween - John Carpenter/Daniel Caine 11.Deadlock - Richard Gibbs 12.Over the Top - Giorgio Moroder/Mark Ayres ('Stallone') 13.Blade Runner - Vangelis/Mark Ayres ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- About 57 minutes. Comment: NOT bad at all!! I like it a lot. But if there is a TD 'Blade Runner' boot (it would have to be) I sure want to know about it. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 6:22 am Subject: Re: Beaubourg Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-12 11:22:36 EST, you write: << Beauborg was just so incredibly unlistenable it taught me to hear something before I buy it. Scott >> Y'know this thread keeps continuing...... I made some disparaging associations with 'Beaubourg', but it was all in fun, really. I do actually like this recording. On the surface it does seem like, as I think Craig put it, alot of kitchen utensils falling down the stairs, but if you look deeper into it there is something captivatingly congruent about it. It's not like V went into a studio with the lights out and recorded himself stumbling about, trying to find his way out. There is a line. The music is not exactly brilliant, but bears some qualitative similarities to compositions done by some well respected twentieth-century avant guard composers like Cowell, Beard, Crumb, et al. This thread came up for discussion about a year ago or so, probably on the V List, to which I no longer subscribe (much too 'Holier Than Thou' for me) and someone said that V did 'Beaubourg' to complete contractual obligations, which is a possibility, of course. Personally, I think a recording of Vangelis stumbling around in a darkened studio would probably have musical merits. I'm tempted to say that he can do no wrong. Of course that is pattently ridiculous. He's not a god after all. Is he? ;-) Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 6:23 am Subject: Re: TD does the classics Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-12 12:56:01 EST, you write: << lessee--TD is an instrumental band--how about inst. covers? How about 'Out of Limits' by the Marketts? How about anything by The Ventures? How about TD AND The Ventures teaming for an OOL cover? Or maybe Dick Dale and TD together? Or....gotta quit--drool getting on keyboard. Mike >> Are you sure it's drool? Better check. You might be foaming from your mouth. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 6:23 am Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-13 03:27:13 EST, you write: << I have good news. There was a show on NPR not too long ago about tape archival. Seems about 10 years ago the formula for tape was changed and the tapes of the last 10 years *are* falling apart after only 5 to 8 years if stored in ordinary room conditions. But tapes over 10 years old should last at least another 30 years or so with no problems. -- Mark >> What are the non-ordinary room conditions that will make the less than 10 year old tapes last forever? I had also heard that there was a way to fix these tapes temporarily. Long enough to transfer them onto another tape or medium, but you had to be really careful, and you had to do the transfer immediately! Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1906 Re: Concert Recordings Mark Filipak Sun 3/16/1997 4 KB 1911 Re: Concert Recordings PNaunton@a... Sun 3/16/1997 3 KB 1922 Re: Concert Recordings TWeibre361@a... Mon 3/17/1997 2 KB 1924 Re: Concert Recordings Vincent Goudreault Mon 3/17/1997 3 KB 1929 Re: Concert Recordings Vic Rek Tue 3/18/1997 2 KB 1935 Re: Concert Recordings TWeibre361@a... Tue 3/18/1997 2 KB 1939 Re: Concert Recordings PNaunton@a... Tue 3/18/1997 2 KB 1946 Re: Concert Recordings Michael Fox Tue 3/18/1997 3 KB 1948 Re: Concert Recordings David J. Hughes Tue 3/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 7:40 am Subject: Re: no more Linda? Really-From: Christian von_Toerne I have read the news on the HP of TD. I must say I don't like the idea of having TD in front of me without Linda. That is, it will be nice, ok, and I still will enjoy it quite a lot, but I cannot imagine the later TD songs without Linda's sax. It fit in the synth music so well! TD says they will start a new phase now... I hope (for myself and for them) that they will not start to make more of the 'ravy' music like some tracks on the Dream Mixes or 'Thief Yang & the Tangram Seal'. This is not their style and there- fore nothing they should go into. Just my humble opinion. Let's hope TD won't forget us and Linda left for good. Chris From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 7:52 am Subject: Re: no more Linda? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-16 02:44:18 EST, you write: << I have read the news on the HP of TD. I must say I don't like the idea of having TD in front of me without Linda. That is, it will be nice, ok, and I still will enjoy it quite a lot, but I cannot imagine the later TD songs without Linda's sax. It fit in the synth music so well! TD says they will start a new phase now... I hope (for myself and for them) that they will not start to make more of the 'ravy' music like some tracks on the Dream Mixes or 'Thief Yang & the Tangram Seal'. This is not their style and there- fore nothing they should go into. Just my humble opinion. Let's hope TD won't forget us and Linda left for good. Chris >> And just what does this strange message mean? Sorry, but I've incommunicado for the last couple of days, and all my TD mail just vanished after March 13th until just a few moments ago. Can somebody give me a clue? Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1916 Re: no more Linda? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? feldon@n... Sun 3/16/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 8:17 am Subject: Re: no more Linda? Really-From: Mark Filipak Christian von_Toerne wrote: -snip- > TD says they will start a new phase now... I hope (for myself and for > them) that they will not start to make more of the 'ravy' music like > some tracks on the Dream Mixes or 'Thief Yang & the Tangram Seal'. This > is not their style and there- fore nothing they should go into. Just my > humble opinion. I have a feeling that, yes, it will seem 'ravy' at first -- your first reaction -- but will be more dynamic (driving synths, tracey, motoric) than we've heard from TD in a long time. I have a feeling we're going to like it, too. -- Mark (with fingers firmly crossed behind his back) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 8:06 am Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-03-13 03:27:13 EST, you write: > > << I have good news. There was a show on NPR not too long ago about > tape archival. Seems about 10 years ago the formula for tape was > changed and the tapes of the last 10 years *are* falling apart after > only 5 to 8 years if stored in ordinary room conditions. But tapes > over 10 years old should last at least another 30 years or so with no > problems. -- Mark > >> > > What are the non-ordinary room conditions that will make the > less than 10 year old tapes last forever? ... >From what I remember, it's not room temperature that's so bad, it's humidity. So to preserve tapes, drive the mosture out of those bags of whatever-the-stuff-is-you're-warned-not-to-eat (like you'd be tempted otherwise, right?) that you find packed with things that have to stay dry by heating them in a low oven, add your tapes and do a 'seal-a-meal'. > ... I had also heard that there > was a way to fix these tapes temporarily. Long enough to transfer them > onto another tape or medium, but you had to be really careful, and you > had to do the transfer immediately! Yes, they went over that in the show, but I can't remember what it is that they soak the tapes in before they try to play them... some sort of chemical. The soaking temporarily rebonds the ferric oxide to the polyester backing layer. But I remember that you then have a few weeks of safe tape play before it starts splitting apart once again, and I got the impression that during those few weeks, you can play the tapes as many times as you want to. If you'd like more info, you can probably get it from the National Archives. They're the folks who were on the show. The closest I can get you on short notice is the National Institute of Science and Technology: http://www.nist.gov/welcome.html You might be able to get to the Library of Congress or the National Archives from there (hot links?). By the way. Here's another useful web page: http://skua.spole.gov/ It's the home page for the US South Pole Station. Surf's Up! -- Mark From: tadream@c... 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(tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 9:19 am Subject: Re: Your Signature or Logo Can Be In Your Computer! Really-From: 'Levente.Toth' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'm. smith' > > Now Your Signature or Logo Can Be In Your Computer! > > Your letters & faxes can have your signature without > you having to sign them! And because we create your > Wow, I had a metaphysical revelation! Hm, we ended up on some commercial whatever distribution list. I don't think it is a coincidence that in the past 2 weeks there have been quite a few email like this. Levente -- **************************************************************** * Levente Toth (levi@c...) - Centre for Intelligent * * Systems, University of Plymouth, Drake Circus, Plymouth * * Devon,England WEB: www.cis.plym.ac.uk/cis/levi/home.html * * Tel: 44-1752-233514, 233516 / Fax: 44-1752-232583 * **************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 11:28 am Subject: Re: Your Signature or Logo Can Be In Your Computer! Really-From: feldon@n... At 09:19 AM 3/16/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Levente.Toth' > > >tadream mailing list wrote: >> >> Really-From: 'm. smith' >> >> Now Your Signature or Logo Can Be In Your Computer! >> >> Your letters & faxes can have your signature without >> you having to sign them! And because we create your >> > > > I have personally reported this to his postmaster and have informed him that his activities are not needed in this group. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 9:48 pm Subject: Re: emusic faves Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuliæ/Sasha Sekulich) On Mon, 10 Mar 1997 00:23:36 -0600 (CST), you wrote: >Really-From: LADY OF THE LIZARDS > > >my top 10 emusics: > >(In no order) >Vangelis-Beaubourg >TD-Hyperborea >J Schmoelling-Zoo of T >E Froese-Stuntman >P Gabriel-Birdy >TD-Tangram >M Hoenig-Departure from ... >TD-Pergamon >TD-Thief >W Carlos-Tron OK, so here are some of mine favourites: Vangelis - See you later, Albedo 0.39, Heaven and Hell JM Jarre - Oxygene, Rendez-vous TD - Atem, Destination Berlin (so far the only in my possession) Cocteau Twins - Victorialand (just got it a week ago, and I listened to it 5 times in a row /and could do it again, and I will/ :) Yello - Baby, One Second CU, *********************************************************************** Sasa Sekulic, Student at the Faculty of Physics, University of Belgrade --------------------------------------------------------------------- mrsasha@b... ******************* mrsasha@a... *********************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 2:51 pm Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-13 13:54:53 EST, you write: << naaa...dont believe this....ive got tapes, pre-recorded ones no less, from the 60s, that still play as good as new...and believe me, theyve been through hell...i wouldnt worry too much... tom w np: echo system - headland >> ........and I've got tapes from the early Seventies which are unplayable, at least on my Revox B77. The tapes are so gummy they clog the heads, vibrate like violin strings, and, after a few minutes of play, stop completely. They are Ampex and Scotch Masters, a couple of BASFs. Oh yes, I almost forgot, I have one tape of unknown age and manufacture from which the oxide coating sheds, if you even think about playing it. Phil Naunton P.S. There are alot of Maxell tapes which play fine. They are also very old, but there is nothing worth very much on them. I think they've lasted because Maxell used Whale Oil in the adhesive. At least that is the rumor from the zenophobes. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 4:41 pm Subject: RE: 'Streethawk' 12' Really-From: Jim Moore >Hi Streethawk Fans. Dave's discography has this entry: > >1985 Streethawk > Streethawk > Tiergarten > Gaudi Park > Warsaw in the Suns Part 1 > Warsaw in the Suns Part 2 > 12' Jive Electro T101 >Would anyone who has this please give me a jingle? Thanks -- Mark I've got both the Relativity and Jive/Electro versions of this: ON the J/E, the version of 'Streethawk' is the remix/dance version. 'Tiergarten' and 'Gaudi Park' are the same as the originals. 'Warsaw in the Sun' is identical to the J/E single of the same name. (Quite a bargan to get both on one 12', IMO.) - jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 5:02 pm Subject: Non Delivery Report Original subject: Original subject unavailable Reason: MS Mail Connector failed parsing the message content. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 6:29 pm Subject: D: White Eagle Really-From: Boneheads1@a... Mojave Plan is a monster of poly-rhythmic composition. Interwoven with some pretty extreme synthesizer sound effects, the phrases layer and roll into a surrealistic deluge. The song has a lot of rock/jazz harmonic structural influences and great dynamics for the time (e.g. sine-wave muses juxtaposed against grinding power-leads). They explore the gut-wrenching power of the synthesizer technology of the time. Where funk music of that time hilights the emotional dynamics of bass guitar and drums, White Eagle hilights the same using sequencers and synthesizers. The result is more cerebral, more visual, and to me much more engrossing. This music is meant to make you groove. Midnight In Tula continues with the Mojave Plan style, but increases the pace severely. By now the peaks and valleys are coming at roller coaster speed. You can feel the g-forces and external center-of-gravity effect. Convention Of The 24 changes the music to a floating hypnotic collage. This is that signature trance-style that can be found in every incarnation of Tangerine Dream. The bass drones like the Earth, the images paint across the sky. It sounds highly improvised and the creative joy shines through. White Eagle is a masterpiece. It touches something in me that few pieces of music ever have, like a mystical incarnation. Whenever you generate as many ideas as these folks do you are bound to come up with a great one once in a while. White Eagle puts all the parts together the way they were meant to fit. Like a great discovery, once you've heard it it's obvious. But there isn't really anything that came before quite like this. It is a beautiful ending to remarkable album. Tim Scallon Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1941 D: White Eagle Plumer, Scott Tue 3/18/1997 3 KB 20465 D: White Eagle PhilPDX@a... Sun 1/23/2000 3 KB 20478 Re: D: White Eagle Marcel Engels Sun 1/23/2000 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 6:39 pm Subject: Re: no more Linda? Really-From: feldon@n... At 08:40 AM 3/16/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: Christian von_Toerne > >I have read the news on the HP of TD. I must say I don't like the idea of having >TD in front of me without Linda. Well, TD did play successfully for 17 years without her, I don't think the world will cave in... But yes, she is a good musician and I was starting to get used to her work too. >That is, it will be nice, ok, and I still will >enjoy it quite a lot, but I cannot imagine the later TD songs without Linda's >sax. This brings up a good point. How many new songs have they written for the new lineup since the release of Goblin's Club? They've really been touring with a 'canned' concert... Canned not being a negative term but that it's quite planned out. >TD says they will start a new phase now... I hope (for myself and for them) that >they will not start to make more of the 'ravy' music like some tracks on the >Dream Mixes or 'Thief Yang & the Tangram Seal'. This is not their style and there- >fore nothing they should go into. Just my humble opinion. Well, should and shouldn't aren't my favorite words but I agree; Dream Mixes was quite good as a one-off, not as a new 'sound'. > >Let's hope TD won't forget us and Linda left for good. Linda is great and it looks like Edgar was happy with her musical talents, but it's time to get TD back on track. Remember Steve Joliffe? One album and he got the boot... But there were woodwind instruments that, in my opinion, created an amazing sound... I'm amazed that Edgar has let electric guitars and woodwind instruments steal the show for going on 8 years... I wouldn't go up to Edgar and say, 'ok, it's time for you to go back to pure electronic', but I would say, 'You've been exploring the Seattle Years 'style' for quite while...any plans to make a major shift?' (wink wink, puppy-dog eyes) Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 16, 1997 6:41 pm Subject: Re: no more Linda? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Really-From: feldon@n... At 02:52 AM 3/16/97 -0500, you wrote: > And just what does this strange message mean? Sorry, but I've >incommunicado for the last couple of days, and all my TD mail just vanished >after March 13th until just a few moments ago. Can somebody give me a clue? To recap: Linda Spa and Mark Hornby are gone. Edgar and Jerome have recruited two new purely electronic musicians for the European tour and Edgar is quoted on the webpage as saying that they are starting with a new musical phase this year. >Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 17, 1997 3:09 pm Subject: Re: House of the Rising Sun Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-03-15 19:57:48 EST, you write: << It's been pretty well established that track 12 of 'Sound and Effects' (bootleg of the 7 Sep 88 New York concert) is actually a live version of 'Assassin' with Mark Sheeve doing the playing. I have two related questions. 1- Was Mark on stage as part of the show or was this pirated from something else? >> no...he was not there...i was though.... tom w np: transglobal underground - psychic karaoke From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 17, 1997 4:12 pm Subject: Re: Blade Runner Really-From: The Checkered Demon Hi guys. On 15 March 1997, Ken Beal asked: K> Subject: Blade Runner K> K> I was just now browsing the 'TEN Music' web site in the UK. They had K> a cd titled 'Blade Runner' listed along with all the other Tangwerine K> Dream cds. K> K> Anybody know what this is? And Andrew Rozsa' replied: A> The American 'Blade Runner' (Sylva Treasury STD 5003) is a A> compilation of 'Synthesizer Soundtracks.' [snip] A> But if there is a TD 'Blade Runner' boot (it would have to be) I sure A> want to know about it. I would too. But another possibility is that this is a mis-filed entry for Vangelis' own 'Blade Runner' album which came out last year (or 1995?), after a decade of Vangelis hassling with a record company over copyrights. Also, I believe there was a Vangelis bootleg of the 'Blade Runner' soundtrack a few years ago. George Choksy From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 17, 1997 5:49 pm Subject: Re: Schwingungen Really-From: Hilmar Kraft This is of concern mostly for the German subsribers on this list: I was quite surprised to find a 'press release' on KD Mueller's home page which accuses Winfried Trenkler (long time host of the now defunct EM-radio show 'Schwingungen') of being involved in the neo-fascist and extreme right-wing scene. In this article he reports about a telephone conversation between them which occured 6 years ago in which Trenkler made some very disturbing comments, apparently even quoting John Irving and propagating the 'Holocaust Lie'. I would really like to find out whether this statement by KDM is based on fact. Has anyone heard of this before? KDM states that other artists who were interviewed by Trenkler can confirm these statements...?!? If these accusations are true, then we should do our part to let the world (and especially people in Germany) know about this. Trenkler apparently is now into organizing concerts, so we need to find out if we want to support him with this new activity or not (i.e. boycott him). I have every intention of doing my part in stopping people like this...but first I want to know if the defendant is actually guilty. On the other hand...I have read KDMs posting several times and some things strike me as odd...especially the fact that Klaus Schulze is planned to play at a Trenkler-organized concert. Could it be that KDM is only p.... off about that or wants to settle some old score??? The full text (in German) can be found on http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/lk13/refuse.htm Hilmar hkraft@c... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10685 Re: Schwingungen Elias Granillo, Jr. Tue 2/3/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 17, 1997 7:20 pm Subject: Re: no more Linda? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-16 13:44:24 EST, you write: << they are starting with a new musical phase this year. >> Thanks. Should be an interesting year! Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 17, 1997 7:21 pm Subject: D:_--_--_ 'White Eagle' _--_--_ Really-From: PNaunton@a... 17-Mar-1997 Tangerine Dream 'White Eagle' Published - 1982 Purchased - 1982 Format - LP Label - Virgin Catalog - VIP-6994 Personnel - Froese, Franke, Schmoelling Smokin' ! This is the pinnacle of TD art! This is why I keep buying TD albums year after year. I don't want to miss the opportunity in finding another excursion like this one. They've done a phenomenal job here. They can do it again. Fifteen years isn't too long to wait. Maybe this year! Maybe next year! I'll be lined up at the cash register with my indiscriminate money in my hand. Later, at home, putting on the recording, punching play. Wait for it! Wait for it! 'The Holy Grail'? No? Well, it's OK. Maybe next time. This recording has one of my all time favourite TD short on it; 'Midnight In Tula'. What is Tula, anyway? Anybody know? Sounds like a town in Turkey. For me (always the qualifier) this is the perfect blend of electronics, noise, fine music, hooks, and ensemble performance and production amenities. I've searched this recording again and again, and, no, I have not been able to account for a _single_ _bad_ _note_!! 'Two thumbs up.' Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1928 Re: D:_--_--_ 'White Eagle' _--_--_ feldon@n... Tue 3/18/1997 2 KB 1938 Re: D:_--_--_ 'White Eagle' _--_--_ PNaunton@a... Tue 3/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 17, 1997 7:39 pm Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-03-16 09:58:26 EST, you write: << They are Ampex and Scotch Masters, a couple of BASFs. >> hell, i have new ones of these and they dont record worth beans...i guess its all murphy's law...if there is something good on them they'll die, if they're crap, they'll last forever....tom w From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 17, 1997 8:14 pm Subject: hello? Really-From: Brian Frick Is this list still there, or has no one sent anything for a while? I haven't gotten any mail from the list in two days :( What's going on? -- Brian Frick frickb@l... Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 17, 1997 9:48 pm Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Mar 17, 2:39pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Concert Recordings > Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > > > In a message dated 97-03-16 09:58:26 EST, you write: > > << They are Ampex and Scotch Masters, a couple of BASFs. >> > > hell, i have new ones of these and they dont record worth beans...i guess its > all murphy's law...if there is something good on them they'll die, if they're > crap, they'll last forever....tom w >-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list You mean Milli Vinelli, Yanny and Witney 'I'm gonna git on you nerves' Houston tapes will life FOR EVER? And TD tapes will self destruct in 28 minutes? YIPES! C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Convention of the 24, Snake Bath, Through Metamorphic Rocks Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: D: White Eagle >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 13:29:57 -0500 (EST) >Really-From: Boneheads1@a... > >Convention Of The 24 changes the music to a floating hypnotic collage. This >is that signature trance-style that can be found in every incarnation of >Tangerine Dream. The bass drones like the Earth, the images paint across the >sky. It sounds highly improvised and the creative joy shines through. Yes, yes, yes! :) This is my fave track on the album. NOTE TO THOSE WHO REALLY LIKE THIS TRACK YET DON'T OWN EDGAR'S Kamikaze 1989 SOUNDTRACK: On KAMIKAZE 1989, there is a track named 'Snake Bath' which is much like 'Convention of the 24' in its trance-like qualities. But now, a question: would anyone put the second half of 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' (from the FORCE MAJEURE album) in the same category as the two aforementioned tracks? >Tim Scallon Thanks for a great overall review of WHITE EAGLE, Tim! I used to rate this album a 10 but had dropped it down to a 9 for the past year. I think that maybe I should re-evaluate my judgment and . . . play the album again tonight! :) -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 17, 1997 9:17 pm Subject: Re: House of the Rising Sun Really-From: Mark Filipak Tom W wrote: > > Mark Filipak wrote: > > << It's been pretty well established that track 12 of 'Sound and > Effects' (bootleg of the 7 Sep 88 New York concert) is actually a live > version of 'Assassin' with Mark Sheeve doing the playing. I have two > related questions. > > 1- Was Mark on stage as part of the show or was this pirated from > something else? >> > > no...he was not there...i was though.... Aha, so track 12 of 'S&E' is unrelated to the rest of the tunes. Anyone have any idea where this Mark Sheeve performance comes from? Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 17, 1997 11:22 pm Subject: Re: hello? -- A Useful Tip Really-From: Mark Filipak Brian may have been unsubbed. If this ever happens to you, try this: TO: majordomo@c... SUBJ: (leave blank) (body): who tadream or who tadream-digest This will return a list of subscribers to you. If your request is refused, that means you are _not_ a subscriber and have been unsubbed somehow. If that happens, resubscribe like this TO: majordomo@c... SUBJ: (leave blank) (body): subscribe tadream or subscribe tadream-digest Hope this tip helps -- I also hope you never have to use it. -- Mark tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Brian Frick > > Is this list still there, or has no one sent anything for a while? I > haven't gotten any mail from the list in two days :( What's going on? > -- > Brian Frick > frickb@l... > > Equinoxe: The North American Jean Michel Jarre Fanclub/Resource: > http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html > > * * * Be sure to visit the Electronic Music Universe * * * > http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 12:47 am Subject: Re: D:_--_--_ 'White Eagle' _--_--_ Really-From: feldon@n... White Eagle 1982 In my opinion, the title track White Eagle (which sounded even better during the Logos tour as an encore) is the best track on the disc. I really can't give the other three tracks more than a 2AS except for the first 4 and last 4 minutes of Mojave Plan. The complexity and greatness of the title track convince me to give this a 3AS. I need to listen to Exit and Hyperborea to really get a good feel, but I am pretty confident that White Eagle is the only album between 1980 and 1983 that doesn't fit in with the refined quality of the others. I am using Tangram and Logos as a reference. Morgan feldon@n... P.S. The 45 minute soundcheck before the Logos concert consisted mostly of praticing Midnight in Tula (from White Eagle) over and over! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 3:46 am Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: Vic Rek >hell, i have new ones of these and they dont record worth beans...i guess its >all murphy's law...if there is something good on them they'll die, if they're >crap, they'll last forever....tom w > Tom, I'm worried about you. I hope this isn't serious. NP: TD Risky Business (1st and 2nd release) Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 9:29 am Subject: Where in the world was Mark Shreeve (Re: House of the Rising Sun) Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >Aha, so track 12 of 'S&E' is unrelated to the rest of the tunes. Anyone >have any idea where this Mark Sheeve performance comes from? > >Cheers -- Mark There are (to my knowledge) two possibilities. If I remember correctly (and maybe Paul Nagle will correct me if I'm wrong - since he was present) Mark Shreeve played both UK Electronica 1983 and 1984, and Assassin was played both times. 1983 was held in Milton Keynes (a town filled with concrete cows for non-UK people) but I can't remember where 1984 was performed. I will try to find the t-shirts... Alan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1932 Re: Where in the world was Mark Shreeve (Re: Hous Paul Nagle Tue 3/18/1997 3 KB 1963 Re: Where in the world was Mark Shreeve (Re: Hous Dr. Alan Stocker Wed 3/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 9:31 am Subject: Re: cont. (Shreeve) Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >Really-From: Mark Filipak >Aha, so track 12 of 'S&E' is unrelated to the rest of the tunes. Anyone >have any idea where this Mark Sheeve performance comes from? > >Cheers -- Mark Memory breakthrough... Tapes of highlights from the 1983 and 1984 festivals were released. I own both... perhaps this track came from one of these... I could look Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 5:19 pm Subject: Re: Where in the world was Mark Shreeve (Re: House of the Rising Sun) Really-From: Paul Nagle On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:29:11 +0000, you wrote: >Shreeve played both UK Electronica 1983 and 1984, and Assassin was played >both times. 1983 was held in Milton Keynes (a town filled with concrete cows >for non-UK people) but I can't remember where 1984 was performed. >I will try to find the t-shirts... You still have T-Shirts? My kingdom (or a free CD) for one of them! 84 was Sheffield if memory serves me. The year my flute player wanted to smack Steve Jolliffe for practising his 'flute-grunting' during my set! Those were the days.... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 13/03/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 6:23 pm Subject: D : White Eagle Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' *** Standard Disclaimer Applies : All My Own Opinion *** Mojave Plan (5AS) - From the obscure opening through the various catchy elements, this track is far and above the best on the album. I suppose, if I have to pick a favourite section it would either be the second part (post-ambient, through the drum thumps to the Beat-It bongs about 9-50) or the fourth section (gabbled voices, through the Dream Mix chords to the end). Midnight in Tula (3AS) - This is another one of those annoying electro-pop tunes which appeared frequently in the Schmoelling years. Despite the effects, breaks an all, there's nothing can disguise that this is a pop-song. A catchy one, undoubtedly, but not TD at their best. Convention of the 24 (3AS) - This sounds so much like the stuff from Pinnacles (or Pinnacles sounds so much like this) it's unreal. I know they're form the same time, so it's not too surprising - just thought I'd mention the obvious. This is very intriguing bass-line, less melody and more effects and small loops of lines. Not bad at all. White Eagle (4AS) - A lovely piece that although short, still seems to take its time developing. Typical ever-changing bass-line that underpins the whole piece, topped with some soothing layers and some beautiful melodies. So, overall this album scrapes into the 4AS bracket, primarily by virtue of the first track. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 1:25 pm Subject: 193! Really-From: Vic Rek I did a 'who' this morning and there were 193 members on the 'Tadream' list. Can someone send a 'who' that's on the 'Tadream-digest' and post a count. I'm just curious to know how many of you are out there? Vic P.S. Hope all had a great St. Patrick's Day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1953 Re: 193! Mark Filipak Wed 3/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 1:31 pm Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-03-17 22:51:38 EST, you write: << Tom, I'm worried about you. I hope this isn't serious. NP: TD Risky Business (1st and 2nd release) Vic >> why are u worried? but yes, it is serious...how would u feel if u opened a new scotch c-90, put it in ur deck, and it self-destructs? how would u feel if ur master tape of td live in 77 disintegrated, but ur mix tape of the monkees survived? is this not serious? tom w np: fsol - my kingdom cds From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 9:00 pm Subject: Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > >Really-From: Vic Rek > >[...] >P.S. Hope all had a great St. Patrick's Day! > you can say THAT again! I have some problems to work... Armin, Northern IRELAND Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1959 ashok prema Wed 3/19/1997 3 KB 1962 Re: Mark Filipak Wed 3/19/1997 3 KB 2225 feldon@n... Tue 4/1/1997 2 KB 2228 Re: Greg Tue 4/1/1997 3 KB 2397 - Sun 4/6/1997 2 KB 2466 Martynas Storasta Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2706 Darren L Oswald Tue 4/15/1997 2 KB 2777 Tomohiro Goto Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 3007 Grant Middleton Thu 4/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 3:21 pm Subject: Re: Convention of the 24, Snake Bath, Through Metamorphic Ro Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Steven Feldman >But now, a question: would anyone put the second half of 'Through Metamorphic >Rocks' (from the FORCE MAJEURE album) in the same category as the two >aforementioned tracks? You bet you posterior I do! But definitely not the 'Igneous' remix. I found the piece to be particuarly effective when driving late at night, playing at '11.' -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 3:50 pm Subject: Re: D:_--_--_ 'White Eagle' _--_--_ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-17 19:51:18 EST, you write: << In my opinion, the title track White Eagle (which sounded even better during the Logos tour as an encore) is the best track on the disc. I really can't give the other three tracks more than a 2AS except for the first 4 and last 4 minutes of Mojave Plan. The complexity and greatness of the title track convince me to give this a 3AS. I need to listen to Exit and Hyperborea to really get a good feel, but I am pretty confident that White Eagle is the only album between 1980 and 1983 that doesn't fit in with the refined quality of the others. I am using Tangram and Logos as a reference. Morgan >> SIGH! Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 3:49 pm Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-17 14:47:22 EST, you write: << hell, i have new ones of these and they dont record worth beans...i guess its all murphy's law...if there is something good on them they'll die, if they're crap, they'll last forever....tom w >> Ain't it the truth? That Murphy knew what he was talking about. Phil Naunton. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 4:09 pm Subject: well, if this doesn't say it all, i don't know... Really-From: MiqSk8@a... from aol's buzzsaw- PERHAPS THEY COULD JUST SET HIS HAIR ON FIRE - Five Indian farmers are threatening to set themselves on fire as a protest against a series of concerts by the New Age musician 'Yanni' in front of the Taj Mahal monument. Though they claim the reason is that Yanni's concert stage destroyed their crops, it's likely that they simply want to highlight the fact that Yanni sucks. Go for it, you wacky self-immolators! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 4:39 pm Subject: D: White Eagle I must admit I wasn't too impressed with WE. I'm a big fan of the Schmoelling era, but I think WE is the weakest of all of them. The tracks are very uninspired, IMHO, and very forgettable. For example, I can never remember which is Convention of the 24 and which is Midnight in Tula. Just really uncompelling. Maybe they were saving themselves for the perfection that was Hyperborea. I give it 3 AS. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 10:21 am Subject: E-ball musings/D'Cuckoo Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... Dreamers could Edgar's new E-ball be similar to D'Cuckoo's [left out the umlaut over the u]? A large ball covered with electronic switches that trigger when touched--a definite crowd pleaser when tossed into the audience... --Thomas B. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1954 Re: E-ball musings/D'Cuckoo Mark Filipak Wed 3/19/1997 2 KB 1960 Re: E-ball musings/D'Cuckoo Grant Middleton Wed 3/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #865 Really-From: DFO@C... > Subject: D:_--_--_ 'White Eagle' _--_--_ > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > 'Midnight In Tula'. What is Tula, anyway? Anybody know? Sounds like a town > in Turkey. Pulling out the dictionary.... Tula - a city in W Russia, S of Moscow. Pop 514,000. duane ott dfo@c... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 2:57 am Subject: Re: no more Linda? Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > At 08:40 AM 3/16/97 +0100, you wrote: > >Really-From: Christian von_Toerne > > > >I have read the news on the HP of TD. I must say I don't like the idea of > having > >TD in front of me without Linda. > > I for one won't be getting the hankies out. No dis-respect to Linda spa but I for one did not apprecaite her input. The last time I saw Tangerine Dream in concert(1991 I think) Most of the concert was Edgar and co supplying chords for Ms Spa. Tangerine dream are one of the best EM bands about. Thats why personally I rated Dream Mixes, because it sounds electronic. If you want sax see Kenny G. Nanoo Nanoo Gaza Ps Have we in the UK offended The family Froese as there are no tour dates as yet for us Boo hoo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 7:44 pm Subject: Easter Island Contest Really-From: Michael A Jean For anyone interested in the details of the contest, check out the TD webpage at www.netstore.de/tadream/winners/tb.html. There are two aacounts of the story there. The first is by Klaus Beschorner, and the second is by me... Feel free to let us know what you think... Mike Jean, Chicago From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 7:59 pm Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: Michael Fox I've got reel and cs tapes that date back to 1968. While some have lost the treble most still play OK. The only trick I know I learned from old studio pro/producer Bill Halverson--get 'em out every now and again and run 'em through the machine to re-spool 'em. Seems to work for my old Multi-tracks as well as Masters. Anything worth keeping is worth maintaining. Mike At 01:23 AM 3/16/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > >In a message dated 97-03-13 03:27:13 EST, you write: > ><< I have good news. There was a show on NPR not too long ago about tape > archival. Seems about 10 years ago the formula for tape was changed and > the tapes of the last 10 years *are* falling apart after only 5 to 8 > years if stored in ordinary room conditions. But tapes over 10 years > old should last at least another 30 years or so with no problems. -- > Mark > >> > > What are the non-ordinary room conditions that will make the less >than 10 year old tapes last forever? I had also heard that there was a way >to fix these tapes temporarily. Long enough to transfer them onto another >tape or medium, but you had to be really careful, and you had to do the >transfer immediately! > >Phil Naunton > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 18, 1997 7:55 pm Subject: POINTMAN Really-From: Michael A Jean I saw a movie this weekend called POINTMAN. It has a Soundtrack by PAul Haslinger... ANy word as to whether this may be released at some point? It had a 1994 date.... Mike J From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 4:27 am Subject: Re : Concert Recordings Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Re : the comments about tape storage : Has anyone else had problems with DATs. I've had two recently that our Tascam refused to play. The first was a simple HHB 30 min job. The second was a Canford Audio 'top-of-the-range' tape. The recorder is less than a year old and I already want to swap it in for a recordable CD machine... recordings being archived away on DAT truly horrific. Can someone please not alert Edgar and the gang to our worries? Cheers David P.S. I've found a photograph of me and Edgar taken years ago. Edgar is actually smiling, Chris looks knackered and Paul H.'s hair looks very like a toilet brush. Anyone else got some funky pictures of Ed and the gang? email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Attention Vinylheads Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hello folks, For those of you out there with a soft spot for vinyl--or simply a TD completist's gotta-have-it attitude--Jason Hopkins of Voyager just informed me (and asked me to pass on) that apparently in conjuction with this Orb 'Towards the Evening Star' remix disc, there will be a vinyl issue of the single in addition to the CD. It will be a limited edition release on colored vinyl. Also he says, the release date of the single has (again) been postponed, this time until next week. (A familiar scenario.) Cheers John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 12:41 am Subject: Re: Re : Concert Recordings Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > Hi all, > > Re : the comments about tape storage : > > Has anyone else had problems with DATs. I've had two recently that our > Tascam refused to play. The first was a simple HHB 30 min job. The > second was a Canford Audio 'top-of-the-range' tape. The recorder is > less than a year old and I already want to swap it in for a recordable > CD machine... > > recordings being archived away on DAT truly horrific. Can someone > please not alert Edgar and the gang to our worries? Dav... Dave you... ...breaking up. Retra.... .... Retransmit, Da.... > Cheers > David > > P.S. I've found a photograph of me and Edgar taken years ago. Edgar is > actually smiling, Chris looks knackered and Paul H.'s hair looks very > like a toilet brush. Anyone else got some funky pictures of Ed and the > gang? > > email : dhughes@g... > web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 1:42 am Subject: Tula on Atlas Really-From: GRHail@a... > Sounds like a town in Turkey It would be pleasing if Tula was an obscure concept in high-energy plasma physics, a hidden moon of Saturn, or a totally fictious place, but... Tula is a town in European Russia. -------------------------------------------------- Guy Hail grhail@a... -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- This is the one, real world where ideas are put into practice. What happens is the true meaning of those ideas, regardless of what theory says -------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 1:41 am Subject: Boycotts Really-From: GRHail@a... > If these accusations are true, then we should do our part to let the world (and especially people in Germany) know about this. Trenkler apparently is now into organizing concerts, so we need to find out if we want to support him with this new activity or not (i.e. boycott him). > Boycott? You seem to have mistaken the TD list for something else. Besides, I leave choosing those whose opinions are so socially or politically unacceptable that they should be hounded until they agree with accepted standards of belief to governments, which have been very effective at this in the 20th century. Besides which... So what if he thinks Nazis didn't kill Jews. We all know they did. I've run into hundred, maybe thousands of people who think communists in Eastern Europe, the USSR, China, Vietnam or Cambodia didn't commit mass murder. Where are the boycotts against those people? Why single out one kook when so many run free? *** followups to alt.flames *** -------------------------------------------------- Guy Hail grhail@a... -------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1965 Re: Boycotts Hilmar Kraft Wed 3/19/1997 2 KB 1976 Re: Boycotts Mark Filipak Thu 3/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 2:58 am Subject: Re: 193! Really-From: Mark Filipak There are currently 415 members of the combined lists, up from 402 last week. -- Mark tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Vic Rek > > I did a 'who' this morning and there were 193 members on the 'Tadream' list. > Can someone send a 'who' that's on the 'Tadream-digest' and post a count. > I'm just curious to know how many of you are out there? > > Vic > > P.S. Hope all had a great St. Patrick's Day! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 3:06 am Subject: Re: E-ball musings/D'Cuckoo Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... > > Dreamers > > could Edgar's new E-ball be similar to D'Cuckoo's [left out the > umlaut over the u]? A large ball covered with electronic switches that > trigger when touched--a definite crowd pleaser when tossed into the > audience... > > --Thomas B. >From the writeup on the TaDream official page I got the definite impression it's hooked up to the synthesizers and held in one hand -- not something one would throw out to the audience. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 6:16 am Subject: Under Construction: Intro To TD Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Dreamers. Back in November when I joined this list, I already had most of TD's albums. But I didn't have a real clear vision of the band until I started doing some serious study. I have an Introduction to Tangerine Dream for TD-novices (28 K-bytes). I'd like as many people as possible to request it off-list, read it, and make whatever comments they deem appropriate. Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 7:52 am Subject: Bristol, 6 Nov 1990, LPs and CDs Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi fellow nocturnal imagers. If you have any of the following LPs or CDs of the 6 November 1990, Bristol England show would you please contact me privately -- I have a few questions about them. BICYCLE RACE (LP) SINGET, DENN DER GESANG VERTREIBT DIE WOELFE (LP) LIVE IN BRISTOL, U.S.A. 6\11\90 (LP) IN DEN GARTEN PHARAOS/BICYCLE RACE (CD) ANTARKTIS (CD) Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 9:12 am Subject: Re: no more Linda? Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... > > The last time I saw > Tangerine Dream in concert(1991 I think) Most of the concert was Edgar > and co supplying chords for Ms Spa. Tangerine dream are one of the best > EM bands about. Thats why personally I rated Dream Mixes, because it > sounds electronic. > If you want sax see Kenny G. I couldn't agree more, gaza me ole' mucka ! I too was at the '91 gig (at the Edinburgh Playhouse) and couldn't believe my eyes or ears ! Sure, Linda has a great body and provided plenty eye-candy for the duration of the gig, but I couldn't help thinking I was at the '91 auditions for the Eurovision Song Contest. Sax == Easy Listening A great big f**k-off Moog modular == The REAL Tangerine Dream. > Ps Have we in the UK offended The family Froese as there are no tour > dates as yet for us Maybe they've been watching Fawlty Towers ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 4:22 pm Subject: Re: no more Linda? Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > I too was at the '91 gig (at the Edinburgh Playhouse) and couldn't > believe my eyes or ears ! Sure, Linda has a great body and provided > plenty eye-candy for the duration of the gig, but I couldn't help > thinking I was at the '91 auditions for the Eurovision Song Contest. > Well, she must have had some effect on you, Grant. It was 1990 at the Playhouse. I'm not Linda's biggest fan, but she was only part of the group and so is not entirely to 'blame' (maybe not the right word) for the direction the band took in the 7 years of her association. Just because the sax has gone (and it had already disappeared by the time Dream Mixes appeared) doesn't mean that we'll be back to 'big f**k-off Moogs' again. I wouldn't be holding my breath for lots of new material on this European tour - they've just produced an album (late last year), played a one-off concert and are starting again in April. To me, that doesn't sound very long to write a whole set of material in a new style. Perhaps the concert will be more 90's stuff, more like the 220Volt Live tour, but without the sax. The live percussion might just be there to replace the recorded stuff used throughout the London concert. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2002 Re: no more Linda? Simon W. Hood Fri 3/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 4:40 pm Subject: Really-From: ashok prema >Really-From: Vic Rek >I did a 'who' this morning and there were 193 members on the 'Tadream' list. >Can someone send a 'who' that's on the 'Tadream-digest' and post a count. >I'm just curious to know how many of you are out there? >Vic Funny! I just happened to have called a Digest members list yesterday by chance - numbering around 240 !!! Why the discrepancies??? Secondly - all this talk about Edgars - E-Ball .......That Asimov guy really did have his finger on the future's pulse - anyone remember the magnificient 'Foundation' series - and Magnifico'd 'Visi-Sonar'??? an e-ball by any other name???(in a more advanced form of course!). Thirdly - watching 'The Keep' years - made me curious enough to read the book by F Paul Wilson which the film was derived from. The film was very impressive - the book?? BLOWS YOUR MIND!! after the book, the film is a pale imitation of the real thing!! Anyone wanting a good read should dig this book out - and to enhance the pleasure - there are a series of inter-related books which culminate in the awesome 'Night-World'.......for those interested parties the books do need to be read in order starting with 'The Keep'. followed by 'Reborn', 'Reprisal, ' and then 2 other books need to be read before you go onto 'NightWorld' these are : 'The Tomb' and 'The Touch'!. Frankly, Wilson leaves the likes of the more popular Stephen King miles behind in terms of 'to the point' excitement! Funny how an interest in T.D. can lead to other wonders! Many of us musicians have TD to thank for their interest in synth music! Any other directions resulting from an interest in TD from our illustrious readers??? Do tell! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 10:15 am Subject: Re: E-ball musings/D'Cuckoo Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > From the writeup on the TaDream official page I got the definite > impression it's hooked up to the synthesizers and held in one hand -- > not something one would throw out to the audience. This reminds me of a device that Kraftwerk employed when they played in Glasgow around 1990. It seemed to be a MIDI controller box which they played held in their hands during 'Pocket Calculator'. They played it behind the head (ala Jimi Hendrix), under the legs, etc, and finally let members of the crowd jam on it. And people say Kraftwerk are cold and humourless... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 10:20 am Subject: Re: E-Ball Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: ashok prema > Secondly - all this talk about Edgars - E-Ball .......That Asimov guy > really did have his finger on the future's pulse - anyone remember the > magnificient 'Foundation' series - and Magnifico'd 'Visi-Sonar'??? an > e-ball by any other name???(in a more advanced form of course!). Anyone remember the 'Orgasmatron' from the Woody Allen film 'Sleeper' ? BTW, the street slang for Ecstasy in the UK is 'E'. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1985 Re: E-Ball PNaunton@a... Thu 3/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 10:34 am Subject: Re: Really-From: Mark Filipak > ashok prema wrote: > > > Vic Rek wrote: > > > > I did a 'who' this morning and there were 193 members on the > > 'Tadream' list. Can someone send a 'who' that's on the > > 'Tadream-digest' and post a count. I'm just curious to know how many > > of you are out there? > > > > Vic > > Funny! I just happened to have called a Digest members list yesterday > by chance - numbering around 240 !!! Why the discrepancies??? -snip- > Ash As of today, here is the subscriptions to tadream Regular bounce list: 196 Digest list: 220 --- 416 Can't see any discrepancies here except for the presence of two deadbeats. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 11:42 am Subject: Re: Where in the world was Mark Shreeve (Re: House of the Rising Sun) Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) > > >>Really-From: Mark Filipak >> >>Aha, so track 12 of 'S&E' is unrelated to the rest of the tunes. Anyone >>have any idea where this Mark Sheeve performance comes from? >> >>Cheers -- Mark > >There are (to my knowledge) two possibilities. If I remember correctly (and >maybe Paul Nagle will correct me if I'm wrong - since he was present) Mark >Shreeve played both UK Electronica 1983 and 1984, and Assassin was played >both times. 1983 was held in Milton Keynes (a town filled with concrete cows >for non-UK people) but I can't remember where 1984 was performed. > I have listened to the tapes this morning... Assassin is on the compilation from UK Electronica 1983, on the 1984 tape it is a track (name escapes me) from Legion. So assuming that the b**tleggers copied a track in the public domain then it is possible that it is the 1983 performance which is present on 'S&E'. Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 2:14 pm Subject: radio show Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Craig is this radio show for real? (I'm sorry if there was some irony that i missed) what a fantastic opportunity. how fortunate you are! I'm not sure of the audience for this station/network but if you're still open for suggestions by the time this actually gets uploaded here's what I would suggest: (keep in mind that these suggestions are more methodological or process oriented. that is to say that I am suggesting more of a structure and a direction for the program--based on a long established methods of contemplation and meditation and, dare I say it?, exegesis--rather than a specific play list) there are four parts: part 1) about 20 minutes start off with about 20 minutes of shorter and 'upbeat' tunes, not necessarily too intellectual but not to poppy either. speaking from the td standpoint, I would start with things like 'firetongues', 'galley slave's horizon', 'birdwatcher's dream' 'tyranny of beauty' or 'little blond in the park of attractions' 'two bunch palms' etc. nothing too far out there. but maybe even something from haslinger's future primitive. Some of your audience--those deeply into it--are already going to be sold so you don't have to cater to them right away--you just want to keep them; you really want to hook those on the threshold. this stage is sort of meant to catch and detach people, to get them in the mood and listening part 2) about 20 minutes then I'd start to shift into shorter, smoother and more intellectual pieces for another 20 minutes, slowly winding down the beat or perhaps getting 'deeper' maybe some things like 'galley slave's horizon' 'elf june'?? (sorry i don't have the track list here) I could possibly fit the shorter piece from transfer station blue here; maybe some franke (eg from klemania) or even some Schmoelling (zoo) or even vangelis or lucia wong or mark isham toward the end of this. maybe even something new age-y but not too sappy maybe hedges? or hearns? (that might be too 'mellow' for this part) (regarding the new age-y stuff, you do want to give a broader overview on the first show) The objective of this stage is to introduce the more meditative or intellectual aspects of e-music without going deep into yet... we're building toward that part 3) about 40 minutes for the next 40 minutes or so, I would play two longer and much more intellectual pieces (although I'd still keep it a little more upbeat and not play stuff like phaedra or rubycon) sort of progressively stretching and challenging the listener's mind. maybe balance a more 'rock-like' piece from pergamon (part II) or tangram or song of the whale or poland part 4 with something from another artist and another point of view, maybe something more 'mellow' or intellectual this would be used as a transition to part 4a. this stage showcases some of the finer and, in my opinion, more highly developed art works of this genera Parts 4a & 4b) about 30 minutes 4a) this would be where I showcase some really classically meditative stuff (which for me would be more like ricochet part 2) or it could be something far more mellow--even rubycon or eno or ..... I wouldn't let it get too ambient, since I'd still be trying to keep people from switching off but something to really let their minds wander. I might even try some 'new' stuff or some material by artists trying to break in to the biz. by 'classic' i don't necessarily mean 'old' or 'well-known' it is just the style and intent of which I speak 4b) 10 minutes or so I would close with one really mind-blowing piece like cloudburst flight that sort of takes advantage of those disengaged minds, takes them to a peak somewhere, pushes them off and then drops them back into reality. that would be it; my intention would be to both introduce them to a wide range of stuff, both 'new' and 'old' as well as stuff by the biggies like TD balanced out by stuff by new artists too. I'd try to show all the sides in a harmonious fashion, the rock-like edge to just a tiny bit of the new-age-y stuff to the really structured and deeper material to the more unstructured and 'open' (but also deep) material. I can't think of any schulze I would play on the first show (I like schulze but I think i'd wait and do a whole show just on him and I don't know if he has anything--at least that I know--that is more likely to hook someone into e-music in general-- well, except for maybe something like caravan or ??? [I am forgetting the name but it is on irrlicht or digit and formed the basis for transfer station blue] ). that's my 2 pence worth lars BTW did you send those tapes? I don't ask so that you feel rushed--don't, there is no hurry--but I just want watch for them when they do come... they pin our mail up on a board in a hallway and anyone can grab something; not that I think it is likely to happen but one never knows. Did you want to throw the collected endings tape (?) in the package? if the cassette really is defective I am going to return/exchange it. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 5:15 pm Subject: Re: Boycotts Really-From: Hilmar Kraft GRHail@a... writes >Boycott? You seem to have mistaken the TD list for something else. No, as I was only looking for information on this subject, nothing else. Indeed I have received several replies (in private email) which is all I wanted. For the same reason, I will not continue this discussion here, as there is no TD content in it, and the last thing we want is another political debate about how to save the world here... :-) I will send you an e-mail in which I reply to your comments. On the other hand, I will post updates about Winfried Trenkler here on this list! As a promoter of TD's and electronic music and as source for many interesting interviews, concerts, unreleased tracks etc, he is known to many TD fans, especially in Europe, who deserve to know what happened. As of today, Trenkler has denied the charges (obviously) and has announced that he will issue a full statement (jointly with Klaus Schulze) in the next few days. Hilmar hkraft@c... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 7:06 pm Subject: Denver/Boulder '77 I'm trying to find out when TD played in either Denver or Boulder, Colorado in 1977. According to TD's web site, Baumann told Ed & Chris that he was leaving when they were in Denver. 'After a concert in Denver, Colorado, during the sencond half of their USA tour, Peter informed Edgar and Christoph that his private obligations no longer allowed him a fulltime collaboration with TD.' The Voices list doesn't have Denver or Boulder. Does anyone have a '77 tour program that lists the dates? Anyone see the show? Anyone live in that area? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1975 Re: Denver/Boulder '77 Mark Filipak Thu 3/20/1997 3 KB 1986 Re: Denver/Boulder '77 PNaunton@a... Thu 3/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 8:03 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #866 Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves At 08:05 AM 3/19/97 +0000, you wrote: >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:55:01 -0600 (CST) >Subject: POINTMAN > >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >I saw a movie this weekend called POINTMAN. It has a Soundtrack by Paul >Haslinger... Any word as to whether this may be released at some point? >It had a 1994 date.... Pointman was made for TV. I talked to Paul about obtaining the rights and releasing it. He preferred I did not do it as the music did not represent what he was doing at the time, mainly his first album was just about to come out. CHEERS...Matt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Das Madchen '97 remix CD Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hey folks, The hard-to-get CDs from TD just keep on coming. Here's yet another one fresh from the TD homepage re: the Eurotour merchandise that all of us listies not on the current tour circuit are going to have to beg/borrow/steal to get our grimy paws on--namely a minicompilation CD that will include some mixes of Das Madchen auf der Treppe. Not to mention a different PROMOTIONAL version of said CD. Also there's some more stuff about the Orb remix project. There are pics of both the Das Madchen promotional CD and the Orb CD up there now. --John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- Das Madchen auf der Treppe 97 (Remix) There will be 1000 copies of a remix of the one and only radio hit single TD ever had, done by the Tangs themselves. This one will not go on sale - so may some of you will find a way to get hold on a copy. The promo version from 'Das Madchen auf der Treppe 97' single contains the following tracks: 1. Das Madchen auf der Treppe 97 - Rien ne va plus mix Radio edit 2. Das Madchen auf der Treppe 97 - Rien ne va plus mix 12' version 3. Das Madchen auf der Treppe 82 - Original Version SBM remastered On sale will be a different version with additional material for a limited Mini CD Compelation which will be available during TD's European Tour. Also watch out for some other interesting merchandise on sale during the upcoming tour. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- TD and The Orb Remix Lot's of rumours about the Orb remix - incl. a statement in the Future Sound magazine where The Orb are explaining their disappointment as far as their working relationship with TD is concerned. Edgar & Jerome did'nt like their Radio Edit Mix of Towards the Evening Star that's true. But both agreed to the Club release of Towards the Evening Star, which will hit the shops and radio stations in the U.S. by March 20th - so far so good! So what's wrong about a mix which does not meet the approval by TD 100%? None of The Orb members did EVER contact TD or tried to communicate directly - Edgar & Jerome like to talk to musicans and not to business executives lawers or the staff members of someone's office. Main reason to be in the business is the music itself. The Mandarin Cream Remix of Towards the Evening Star will be printed on a CD single and a 12' vinyl containing also the original version of the song. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1970 Re: Das Madchen '97 remix CD Sean Montgomery Wed 3/19/1997 2 KB 1983 Re: Das Madchen '97 remix CD TWeibre361@a... Thu 3/20/1997 2 KB 1997 Re: Das Madchen '97 remix CD gary.cresswell1@v... Thu 3/20/1997 2 KB 1999 Re: Das Madchen '97 remix CD TWeibre361@a... Thu 3/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 4:14 am Subject: T-Bass Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Please excuse me spamming the list with this information. This is the best way to let everyone know what has occured. As of Tuesday 18th March 1997 Tranquility Bass (UK), (that's us!), have changed their name to T-Bass. This is to avoid any possible confusion with an American band of the same name, currently signed to the AstralWerks label. We changed the name principally because, with the forthcoming EMMA festival in less than three months, we didn't want to risk any more confusion between the two bands especially given the raised profile that the band has enjoyed in the last few weeks. The new name has been formally registered with the National Band Register in the UK which also links into the US band register. Hence, that should put an end to the confusion. We'll be writing to all of the distributors in the US and Europe in the next few days so that they too are aware of the change. Many thanks to all of our friends who have helped us with the change of name . Our web pages will be down for the next few days while we sort out some of the details. However, with a bit of luck, business will return to normal very quickly. Again, may I apologise for using up bandwidth with this announcement but we're eager to get back to work and this is the most effective means of reaching a large number of people. Cheers David Hughes np : TD 'Underwater Sunlight'. T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 11:02 pm Subject: Re: Das Madchen '97 remix CD Really-From: Sean Montgomery I'm going to go out on a limb here.... Between Edgar's recent willingness to revisit old material with Tangents and Dream Roots, the new version of Stratosfear, the 'Thief Yang' single, and now this....I think it's safe to assume that the new direction of the live shows will be towards covering more 'vintage' material. Perhaps we will also now see new songs composed in the 'older' style, but with current equipment (i.e. a Rough Embrace instead of a Dress-up Mix of Catwalk)? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 11:42 pm Subject: The new gal on the stair Really-From: Gabe Yedid Since I now reside in digest land, this may be the second (or later?) time this was announced, but there will be a new single on the tour! Get ready for: Das Maedchen auf Der Treppe '97! (info from TD web page) It will contain 3 tracks: a radio edit, a full version, and the SBM-remastered original. The cover looks very ambient/ravy, like it was off a trance compilation, and I could not make out if the 2 new members contributed to it. Let the speculation fly! Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1972 Re: The new gal on the stair Sean Montgomery Thu 3/20/1997 3 KB 1978 Re: The new gal on the stair Vic Rek Thu 3/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 12:26 am Subject: Re: The new gal on the stair Really-From: Sean Montgomery Other info I can make out on the sleeve photo they provide: Written by Froese/Schmoelling/Franke Produced by Edgar Froese Music supervision and Studio Technician: Jerome Froese Recorded February 1997 at Eastgate Studios, Berlin Original version recorded 1982 Composed and Recorded by Edgar Froese, Johannes Schmoelling and Christoph Franke p 1982 Virgin Records Ltd c 1997 Virgin Schallplatten GmgH German tour dates and the homepage URL are also provided. Very ravey indeed! A predominantly green fractal pattern, sort of like the one on the cover of Turn of the Tides. I still like the original verion of White Eagle! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 1:31 pm Subject: The Essential Requirements to copy the TD sound Really-From: jeffrey@i... This was posted on SynthL but I thought it was great so I thought I would post it to the list. I especially like the line about the Buddha quotes!!!! Jeff >From: Nick Rothwell >Subject: Re: 1080 VS 2080 Requirements to to do that TD sound: Jupiter vocal 'god-patch': check. Edgar Froese minor 1st/major 4th chord progression: check. Chris Franke beat-and-a-half sequencer delay: check. Edgar Froese mellotron flute and analogue woodwind keyboard noodling: check. Johannes Schmoelling randomly key-modulated piano solo: check. Peter Baumann white noise snares and slow flanged melody lines: check. Paul Haslinger techno percussion:check. Chris Franke short-attack keyboard triads: check. Chris Franke 'de duh de duh DE DUH DE DUH de duh' triangle LFO-mod sound effect: check. Shit: no-one to photograph the windswept trees in the sunset and overlay the upside-down macro shot of coloured pebbles through stretched polythene. And I can't find my book of Buddha quotes. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 1:58 am Subject: Sirius Really-From: Scott Does everyone agree that Sirius is a wretched, wretched horrible album? -Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1977 Re: Sirius Scott Thu 3/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 12:17 am Subject: Re: Denver/Boulder '77 Really-From: Mark Filipak Is this from Scott Plumer, or Scott Lawlor, or another Scott? Sorry but the email header doesn't give a clue and for some reason, majordomo didn't affix the standard approbation. -- Mark tadream mailing list wrote: > > I'm trying to find out when TD played in either Denver or Boulder, > Colorado in 1977. According to TD's web site, Baumann told Ed & Chris > that he was leaving when they were in Denver. 'After a concert in > Denver, Colorado, during the sencond half of their USA tour, Peter > informed Edgar and Christoph that his private obligations no longer > allowed him a fulltime collaboration with TD.' The Voices list doesn't > have Denver or Boulder. Does anyone have a '77 tour program that lists > the dates? Anyone see the show? Anyone live in that area? > > Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 11:21 pm Subject: Re: Boycotts Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Hilmar Kraft -snip- > Trenkler has denied the charges (obviously) and has announced > that he will issue a full statement (jointly with Klaus Schulze) > in the next few days. Thanks Hilmar. I look forward to reading this. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 2:40 am Subject: Re: Sirius Really-From: Scott tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Scott > > Does everyone agree that Sirius is a wretched, wretched horrible album? > -ScottOops, wrong mailing list.... all apologies. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 3:21 am Subject: Re: The new gal on the stair Really-From: Vic Rek >Very ravey indeed! A predominantly green fractal pattern, sort of like >the one on the cover of Turn of the Tides. I really don't need any more covers with computer generated fractals. I prefer Monique Froese's photos by far (and don't forget Jerome's face somewhere). > >I still like the original verion of White Eagle! > Why does 'Das Madchen auf der Treppe' enjoy such popularity? I like the tune, but why does it command such attention, especially in a re-release. I've heard it at 33 and 44 rpm, backwards and forwards, I don't see what's the big deal here. And it's on White Eagle - one of my least favorite albums of that period. So what's the deal with these TDI releases anyway??? But of course I'll have to pick up a copy, but come on - this is old news... Bring out some of that original unreleased music Edgar! And please tell your marketing department to stop this concert pre-release stuff. We've learned this trick already from Shepard's Bush. Don't worry, the fans will be there for you. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 5:00 am Subject: Re: Re : Concert Recordings Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-18 17:20:34 EST, you write: << Has anyone else had problems with DATs. I've had two recently that our Tascam refused to play. The first was a simple HHB 30 min job. The second was a Canford Audio 'top-of-the-range' tape. The recorder is less than a year old and I already want to swap it in for a recordable CD machine... >> At the risk of creating a controversy, I will write that I have heard that there are different recording formats available on different types of DAT machines. I may be wrong, however, lacking any specific evidence. I have heard through the grape vine that DAT Tapes recorded on the partable Sony DAT machine will not play on a studio machine because the tracks are laid out differently and incompatably. Yes? No? Is this a possibility in your case? You don't give specifics, so my response may be off the wall. If so, sorry. If my information is totally wrong, sorry for trying to artificially create hysteria. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 8:43 am Subject: DAT & CDR Information (no TD content) Really-From: Mark Filipak All who are interested in DAT and CDR, here are some resources: Cassette House Auto Responders -- just send email and they will return information -- no need for subject or message but if you don't want to be put on their mailing list, then put something like 'Please don't put me on your mailing list' as a message -- they promise to honor such requests. 'Beginners Guide To Audio CD Recording' mailto:cdr-tips@t... 'Live Taping To Dat' mailto:live-taping@t... Also here's a link to an FAQ on DAT. When you click on it, you will receive the text file just like you'd downloaded from an ftp site (don't quite know how they do that, but it works). http://www.atd.ucar.edu/rdp/dat-heads/FAQ Enjoy! -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 12:58 pm Subject: Berlin concert almost sold out! Really-From: Hilmar Kraft This week I finally saw a poster in Berlin advertising the upcoming show...what a great sight! It has been so long ago that Tangerine Dream posters were plastered all over the place here... Anyway, just wanted you guys to know that the 'Moderne Welt' ticket service has almost sold out of tickets for the Berlin concert.. The first two seating categories are gone and only a 'handful' of seats in the last category towards the back are still available. I don't know about the other European venues...but it seems like everyone better get their tickets fast! Of course the Berlin concert is occuring in an unfortunate location which is easily much too small in the first place. With this being their home town I have no idea why they picked such a small place.... Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2070 Re: Berlin concert almost sold out! Gary Struhlik Mon 3/24/1997 3 KB 2072 Re: Berlin concert almost sold out! Sean Montgomery Mon 3/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 1:03 pm Subject: They are talking about us in the latest Dream Collector Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Dream Collector is a small, 24 pages fanzine published 4 times a year. In the latest issue (No 16, March 1997) there is an article entitled 'Have some fun on the Mailing List -- How to discuss with TD collectors worldwide'. The text mentions that the quality of the posting varies according to the topic being discussed, decreasing 'with debates like the one about Jerome's hair styling (but) peaks of humor an (sic) entertainement are being reached for example with debates about awards that should be given to certain band collectors, or when the 'Tyger defense leage' sends in their comments about their favorite record'. It would be interesting to monitor the number of subscribers to this list in the next few days, just to see it more people will join in after the article. Now, a question: does anyone know if the 'Oasis' video is availabe as a laser disk? And where is the video (either tape or laserdisk) available from? There is a segment on the 'Oasis' video in 'Dream Colelctor' but they mention that is is produced by Camera One, without giving this company's address. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 1:44 pm Subject: Re: Das Madchen '97 remix CD Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-03-19 18:32:39 EST, you write: << Lot's of rumours about the Orb remix - incl. a statement in the Future Sound magazine where >> does anyone have an address, email address, web site or any other info on this mag? thanks...tom w From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: D: _Wavelength_ Really-From: Marshall Wood _Wavelength_ (1983) Rating: 3 AS Another decent soundtrack. I hear some reused bits of other albums from this era (but not too much), and new stuff which consists of typical Schmoelling-influenced compositions, with layers of interweaved melodic sounds. Due to the brevity of each piece (the longest is just over 4 minutes), the entire release feels like a compilation of early 80s material (pre- _Le Parc_, thank goodness). 'Alien Goodbyes' is among the better cuts here. It starts with simple acoustic guitar chords, which continue throughout, and adds leads on electric guitar and synth. Simple, but very effective. Unfortunately, it's less than 2 minutes long. Every track has something interesting, except for the short opening piece ('Alien Voices'). 'Airshaft' might be a little too noisy for the uninitiated. I'll give this one 3 AS, a little more perhaps (3.4). Has anyone seen this movie? Is it any good? MWood Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1992 Re: D: _Wavelength_ Ken Alexander Thu 3/20/1997 2 KB 2004 Re: D: _Wavelength_ Jim Moore Fri 3/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 3:19 pm Subject: Re: E-Ball Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-19 07:21:23 EST, you write: << Anyone remember the 'Orgasmatron' from the Woody Allen film 'Sleeper' ? >> Is that anything like the Unbearable Pleasure Machine from 'Barbarella' ? I remember that this looked like a enormous keyboard device. Jane Fonda broke it BTW. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 3:20 pm Subject: Re: Denver/Boulder '77 Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-19 14:25:34 EST, you write: I've suddenly started getting messages from Scott via the list in the format below. Does anyone know why this message doubling is happening? It is a bit annoying. Phil Naunton << I'm trying to find out when TD played in either Denver or Boulder, Colorado in 1977. According to TD's web site, Baumann told Ed & Chris that he was leaving when they were in Denver. 'After a concert in Denver, Colorado, during the sencond half of their USA tour, Peter informed Edgar and Christoph that his private obligations no longer allowed him a fulltime collaboration with TD.' The Voices list doesn't have Denver or Boulder. Does anyone have a '77 tour program that lists the dates? Anyone see the show? Anyone live in that area? Scott I'm trying to find out when TD played in either Denver or Boulder, Colorado in 1977. According to TD's web site, Baumann told Ed & Chris that he was leaving when they were in Denver. 'After a concert in Denver, Colorado, during the sencond half of their USA tour, Peter informed Edgar and Christoph that his private obligations no longer allowed him a fulltime collaboration with TD.' The Voices list doesn't have Denver or Boulder. Does anyone have a '77 tour program that lists the dates? Anyone see the show? Anyone live in that area? Scott >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 3:19 pm Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-18 15:04:59 EST, you write: << I've got reel and cs tapes that date back to 1968. While some have lost the treble most still play OK. The only trick I know I learned from old studio pro/producer Bill Halverson--get 'em out every now and again and run 'em through the machine to re-spool 'em. Seems to work for my old Multi-tracks as well as Masters. Anything worth keeping is worth maintaining. Mike >> I think you may find that the above method is a way to reduce print through and lateral warpage and stretching. Playing them every so often will have no affect of the chemical deterioration of the tape binders and coatings. This is an ongoing process just like erosion. The only way to reduce chemical change is to retard the process; either by controlling the environmental conditions causing it or, in the case where it is an internal chemical process, reducing the temperature to a point where the activity is slowed down considerably. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 3:19 pm Subject: Re: no more Linda? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-18 14:12:22 EST, you write: << If you want sax see Kenny G. Nanoo Nanoo Gaza >> No, no, no!! I won't hear of it. If you want hear Real Sax, listen to John Coltrane. Kenny G is all sax vacuum - the ultimate in emptiness. Offense meant. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 11:09 pm Subject: Scott's Messages Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > > In a message dated 97-03-19 14:25:34 EST, you write: > > I've suddenly started getting messages from Scott via the list in > the format below. Does anyone know why this message doubling is happening? > It is a bit annoying. > > Phil Naunton [ ... message removed ...] No, I don't know why it's happening, but at least you're not alone. I get them like that too. And whilst we're on the subject of funny messages, every message I get from Pete (Penfold?) arrives in three pieces and my Pegasus Mail does some sort of funny 'attachment' indication (although it's not really an attachment) and I have to read the three bits separately. The first bit is Pete's actual message, the second is his 'semi-random quote' and the third is his sig. A mild irritation, but it makes sending anonymous message to me almost impossible for Pete. 8-)) --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Nightcrawlers Mannikin Release & on the Web Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, Below is an e-mail I got back from Peter D. Gulch (formerly of the Nightcrawlers). I'm not sure yet, but I suspect that all three 'Crawlers LPs are going to be issued as one 2-CD set. In other words, 3LPs=2CDs. -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Message-Id: <199703201616.LAA26842@m...> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:09:26 -0500 To: Steven Feldman From: 'Peter D. Gulch' Subject: Re: How Much of This Can I Forward to the TD List? At 11:15 AM 3/19/97 EST, you wrote: >Peter, > How much of this letter can I forward to the Tangerine Dream >mailing list? I am sure that many people would be interested in what- >ever you say is okay to send to them. I will at least convey your e-mail >addresses and websites to the list. LET ME KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PART(S) >OF THE LETTER BELOW WHICH YOU WOULD RATHER NOT SEE ON A MAILING LIST. > > -- Steven Feldman and > >-----------------------------Original Message--------------------------- > >On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:55:34 -0500 you said: >>Steve: >> Thanks for your letter of 3/13/97. Good to hear from you again. I am >>doing pretty good. Just finished a nice concert at Houston Hall at the >>University of Pennsylvania. The new band I am playing in is called the >>Ministry of Inside Things with Art Cohen (guitar), Chuck van Zyl (synths) >>and myself. The music is slightly different but still in the cosmic realm. >>More guitar stuff. >> Yes, the Mannikin deal is going down. I have signed the contract and >>sent the DATS. There will be no distribution through Synkronos. This is >>strictly a Mannikin release on the Mannikin label. The double CD should be >>available from all the normal outlets. I have no time frame yet. Just sent >>all the stuff last week. I should expect to see something in a few months. >> We have not released anything new. We were doing a lot of concerts >>in 1996 and did not have a chance to do any studio work. No plans as of >>right now. >> I have not heard from Darren in many years. Last I heard he was >>playing in a respectable country western band touring the country. I don't >>know what he is doing now. Also, as far as I know, Optimal Being was his >>only release. >> If you have access to the web, check out >>http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch and you can see the whole catalog on the >>net. I set up a Nightcrawler site with sound samples and information about >>the group. Also, if you download the Truespeech audio player, you can hear a >>30 minute interview from 3/2/97. You have to have the Truespeech player and >>set up your browser to accept this type of MIME file. >> I don't have anything in the way of promo for the Mannikin release >>as of today. I will let you know in the future. I have two email addresses >>now and you can reach me at either one: pgulch@e... or >>pgulch@v... I also have websites on both servers. (Backup) >> Talk to you later.....-Pete Steve: This is all ok. Pretty much public information. All accurate as far as I know. Thanks for your interest and help.-P From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: 1990's TD Sampler Tape for Non-believers Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, This is the sampler tape I made 3 copies of and lent to friends: Side A -- 45:42 90 Dolls in the Shadow 5:10 [MELROSE] 91 Colorado Dawn 4:26 [CANYON DREAMS] 91 Correlation of Lies 3:45 [L'AFFAIRE WALLRAFF] 91 News and Morality 4:45 [L'AFFAIRE WALLRAFF] 92 Touchwood 4:34 [ROCKOON] 92 Rockoon special radio edit 4:16 [CD-single from ROCKOON] 93 220 Volt 9:01 [220 VOLT LIVE] 94 Twilight Brigade 9:45 [TURN OF THE TIDES] Side B -- 44:35 94 Story of the Brave 5:17 [CD-single from TURN OF THE TIDES] 95 Catwalk 7:21 [TYRANNY OF BEAUTRY] 95 Rough Embrace 5:30 [THE DREAM MIXES] 95 Change of the Gods 7:19 [THE DREAM MIXES] 96 Catwalk (Black Ink Mix) 8:12 [Club Dream Mixes from UK THE DREAM MIXES] 96 Towards the Evening Star 6:16 [GOBLINS' CLUB] 96 Elf June and the Midnight Patrol 4:40 [GOBLINS' CLUB] -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 4:45 pm Subject: Re: D: _Wavelength_ Really-From: Ken Alexander > Has anyone seen this movie [Wavelength]? Is it any good? Some mute aliens (who look suspiciously like children in body stockings and baldcaps) escape from the lab of the Evil Government Scientists (tm) and have to make their way back to the mothership pickup point, with some help from the Altruistic Heroes (tm) while being pursued by the relentless Evil Government Agents (tm). Yawn. No Reeses Pieces. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 6:43 pm Subject: Re: TD: Too Prolific Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' really from Steven Feldman > TRIBUTES TO TANGERINE DREAM > (Tangerine Dream Tribute Albums) > ? 96 TANGERINE AMBIENCE--A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM (Hypnotic > [Cleopatra]) > 4 THE KEEP by the Fantasy Merchants (German; tracks from 6 diff > TD sndtrks) You forgot Network 388 francisco N.P. Network 388, Untitled, Satsuma Nightmare) One of the tracks I like more of this tape. Beware, I will be looking for your music, guys!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 6:26 pm Subject: Tangerine dream Shepherd's Bush tree info #2 Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi everybody Well this time I already have the new seeds. Sound is really very good and I'll work till middle of next week to improve this as much as possible and try to organyze this to fit it on two74 min CD-R ( for the folks who signed the CDR branches, DAT media doesn't give dificulties since it fits comfortably on a 180 min. DAT tape ). There are about 50 persons on this tree up to now,but signings keep dropping about two a day. I'll accept new people till next wenesday. friday, 28th I will send the tree structure to every one who signed and I will send the seeds by monday. I'll repeat the headings again. ( for the last time ) ------------------------------------------------ SIGNING UP Important -- Please make one of the following subject headings in your subject in your e-mail to me: 'TD 11/30/96 D>D4' - meaning that you have DAT cloning capabilities and you'll clone this tape for 4 other people. D5 or D6 are also acceptable if you are willing. 'TD 11/30/96 D>CD-R4' Meaning you are able to do DAT to CD-R via digital means ( S/PDIF, AES/EBU) for 4 other people. 5 or 6 are also acceptable if you are willing. 'TD 11/30/96 CD-R>CD-R4' Meaning you are able to do CD-R to CD-R via digital means ( S/PDIF, AES/EBU) for 4 other people. 5 or 6 are also acceptable if you are willing. 'TD 11/30/96 D>CaS4'Meaning you are able to do DAT to analog cassete for 4 other people. 5 or 6 are also acceptable if you are willing. 'TD 11/30/96 CDR>CaS4'Meaning you are able to do CDR to analog cassete for 4 other people. 5 or 6 are also acceptable if you are willing. 'TD 11/30/96 CaS>CaS4'Meaning you are able to do analog to analog cassete for 4 other people. 5 or 6 are also acceptable if you are willing. 'TD 11/30/96 DAT LEAF'- meaning that you have NO DAT cloning capabilities nor analog cloning.and wish to receive a digital clone of this show. Expect to send a blank to your parent for the trade or some sort of trading agreement can be made with your parent. You may offer to let him/her borrow a master of yours for him/her to clone for the trade and send it back with your tape.Please, NO 2:1 trades allowed on this tree. 'TD 11/30/96 ANALOG LEAF' meaning that you have no cloning capabilities and wish to receive an analog clone of this show. Sign-up as leafs at your own risk. I will try to incorporate as many people as I can in this tree. Too many leafs can hinder the trees length, and growth. No CDR leafs are accepted, only CDR branches. All sign-ups go to me at : If you are signing up for this tree, please include the following to me: For the branches Body of message = copy from here ~>| 1) Contact info.? Francisco Salgado D-D6 (Spain) 2) Cloning set-up? Hard Disk> Digital S/PDIF interface> DAT (TCD-D8) 3) # of copies again? 6 4) Average turn-around time? 5 days 5) Would you like to trade for the show or send a blank? trade 6) Would you accept a blank for the trade? yes 7) If you like to trade, can you send your list via email or do you have a URL for your list? I can send my list via email. 8) Can you clone optically or coaxially? Yes From DAT to DAT via PC (Just replace my information with your own. So, on the first line I want your first name, space, first letter of last name capitalized, period, space, less than sign, e-mail address, greater than sign, space, your role in tree (i.e., D-D), # of copies you'll be making, space,Country in parentesis, and state initials if you live in USA. And on lines 2-5 just answer the appropriate questions replacing my info. with your own.) II. If you're going to sign-up as leaf then follow these instructions: Subject line = 'DGQ 9/27/96 DAT ( or ANALOG) LEAF' (as stated above) Body of message = copy from here ~>| 1) Contact info.? Jhon Doe D-L 2) Why can't you clone? I only have one DAT machine. 3) Do you have DAT masters, or no, I just trade? Yes I tape shows. 4) Would you like to trade for the show, or send a blank? trade if possible. 5) If you'd like to trade, can you send your DAT list via email or do you have a URL for your list? I can send my list via email. 6) Are you willing to send out masters/clones to your parent to trade for the show? (Knowing that you're master/clone will be returned with your new TD show) [Just replace mock information with your own. So, on the first line I want your first name, space, first letter of last name capitalized, period, space, less than sign, e-mail address, greater than sign, space, your role in tree (i.e., D-L), space, country and state initials if you live in USA in parentheses. And on lines 2-4 just answer the appropriate questions replacing mock info. with your own.] --------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the bandwidth. Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #867 Really-From: DFO@C... > Subject: Re: Where in the world was Mark Shreeve (Re: House of the Rising Sun) > Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) > >>Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >> >> >>>Really-From: Mark Filipak >>> >>>Aha, so track 12 of 'S&E' is unrelated to the rest of the tunes. Anyone >>>have any idea where this Mark Sheeve performance comes from? >>> >>>Cheers -- Mark >> >>There are (to my knowledge) two possibilities. If I remember correctly (and >>maybe Paul Nagle will correct me if I'm wrong - since he was present) Mark >>Shreeve played both UK Electronica 1983 and 1984, and Assassin was played >>both times. 1983 was held in Milton Keynes (a town filled with concrete cows >>for non-UK people) but I can't remember where 1984 was performed. >> > I have listened to the tapes this morning... Assassin is on the compilation > from UK Electronica 1983, on the 1984 tape it is a track (name escapes me) > from Legion. So assuming that the b**tleggers copied a track in the public > domain then it is possible that it is the 1983 performance which is present > on 'S&E'. There is also a live version of 'Assassin' on the 'Surreality' sampler from the Surreal-to-Real label which the liner notes say is from UK Electronica 1990 in Sheffield. duane ott dfo@c... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 3:05 am Subject: Re: no more Linda? Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-03-18 14:12:22 EST, you write: > > << If you want sax see Kenny G. > Nanoo Nanoo > Gaza > >> > > No, no, no!! I won't hear of it. If you want hear Real Sax, > listen to John Coltrane. Kenny G is all sax vacuum - the ultimate in > emptiness. Offense meant. > > Phil Naunton no offence taken, I personally think Kenny G Is c**P He was just the first Name that came to mind. Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 3:17 am Subject: Re: Das Madchen '97 remix CD Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > > In a message dated 97-03-19 18:32:39 EST, you write: > > << Lot's of rumours about the Orb remix - incl. a statement in > the Future Sound magazine where >> > > does anyone have an address, email address, web site or any other info on > this mag? thanks...tom w Hi Are you sure it is future sound and not future Music? If it is future misic (there is an Orb interview this month including the TD remix) the web site is via http://www.futurenet.co.uk/ you have to register to get in but it is free. Forgive me if this is dribble. slobber slobber! Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Network 388 Covers TD Tunes? Really-From: Steven Feldman >Re: TD: Too Prolific >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:43:19 +0100 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > >really from Steven Feldman > >> TRIBUTES TO TANGERINE DREAM >> (Tangerine Dream Tribute Albums) > >> ? 96 TANGERINE AMBIENCE--A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM (Hypnotic >> [Cleopatra]) >> 4 THE KEEP by the Fantasy Merchants (German; tracks from 6 diff >> TD sndtrks) > >You forgot Network 388 What's the name of the album, what year did it come out, what country, and what TD tracks are covered on this item? I haven't read much of any of the postings on Network 388. I assumed they were just TD-like bands (like Synco and Waveshape). -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2000 Re: Network 388 Covers TD Tunes? Francisco Salgado C. Fri 3/21/1997 3 KB 2012 Re: Network 388 Covers TD Tunes? Mark Filipak Fri 3/21/1997 3 KB 2026 Re: Network 388 Covers TD Tunes? Francisco Salgado C. Sat 3/22/1997 3 KB 2042 Re: Network 388 Covers TD Tunes? Boneheads1@a... Sun 3/23/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 8:50 pm Subject: Re: Das Madchen '97 remix CD Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-03-20 14:34:39 EST, you write: << << Lot's of rumours about the Orb remix - incl. a statement in > the Future Sound magazine where >> > > does anyone have an address, email address, web site or any other info on > this mag? thanks...tom w Hi Are you sure it is future sound and not future Music? If it is future misic (there is an Orb interview this month including the TD remix) the web site is via http://www.futurenet.co.uk/ you have to register to get in but it is free. Forgive me if this is dribble. slobber slobber! Gaza >> really not sure...ive never heard of the mag...i pasted a response from someone else and asked the question...thanks though....ill check it out... tom w np: journey into ambient groove 1 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 10:01 pm Subject: Re: Network 388 Covers TD Tunes? Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Re: TD: Too Prolific > >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:43:19 +0100 > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > > >You forgot Network 388 > > What's the name of the album, what year did it come out, what > country, and what TD tracks are covered on this item? > I haven't read much of any of the postings on Network 388. I > assumed they were just TD-like bands (like Synco and Waveshape). Network 388, the fan tape made by artists on this list as a tribute to TD. 12 tracks >From Legacy by Tomm Scallon Tranquility Bass by T-Bass, MixMatch by Tony Marshall, Inmortal Love by Scott K. Lawlor, Synchronized Sculptures by Conscience, Cross Country by Riley Roden, Down the Road by David Brewer, Cosmo's Moon by Kinski, Manhattan by Jeffrey Bergman, Untitled by Satsuma Nigthmare, Piedras by Ciro A. Rodriguez and The Absent Piano by Glynn Naugthon. This tape was compiled by Jeffrey Bergmann and artwork by Stephan Bishoff. Sorry, I thougth you knew. As a sugestion by a member of this list (really I forgot who), several months ago those artists composed a piesce to be compiles on a cassette and be available just for a blank cassette plus mail expenses to everyone. Really this is not a comercial release, so I don't know if it could be considered within your list. Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 4:15 am Subject: FS:Tangerine Dream vinyl (unused) Really-From: Blipvert List available upon request. Email me prvately, please do not email the list. thanks, Steve Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2128 Re: FS:Tangerine Dream vinyl (unused) Blipvert Thu 3/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 19, 1997 9:30 pm Subject: Re: no more Linda? Really-From: 'Simon W. Hood' In article <199703190930.DAA27731@c...>, tadream mailing list writes >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > >Just because the sax has gone (and it had already >disappeared by the time Dream Mixes appeared) doesn't mean >that we'll be back to 'big f**k-off Moogs' again. I >wouldn't be holding my breath for lots of new material on >this European tour - they've just produced an album (late >last year), played a one-off concert and are starting again >in April. To me, that doesn't sound very long to write a >whole set of material in a new style. > Maybe they'll improvise. :) (We should be so lucky) -- Simon W. Hood From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 1:43 pm Subject: Risky 'Love on a train' Really-From: Michael Fox In digging into the archives I found a USLP/EuroLP/EuroCD of this track. It appears they are different mixes. Any comment? I like the US/LP the best. Mike P.S. Phil Naughton: I take all my releases out and bury them. Then I put 1(inch)2.5(cm) of putrid veg and fruit on top------OH---I meant compost! Sorry! Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2005 Re: Risky 'Love on a train' feldon@n... Fri 3/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 1:50 pm Subject: RE: D: _Wavelength_ Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Ken Alexander >Some mute aliens (who look suspiciously like children in body stockings >and baldcaps) escape from the lab of the Evil Government Scientists (tm) >and have to make their way back to the mothership pickup point, with some >help from the Altruistic Heroes (tm) while being pursued by the relentless >Evil Government Agents (tm). Yawn. No Reeses Pieces. Don't forget Evil Military (tm)... At least the aliens could fry people and travelled around in a giant Magic 8-Ball... - jim From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 2:13 pm Subject: Re: Risky 'Love on a train' Really-From: feldon@n... At 07:43 AM 3/21/97 -0600, you wrote: >Really-From: Michael Fox > > >In digging into the archives I found a USLP/EuroLP/EuroCD of this track. It >appears they are different mixes. Any comment? I like the US/LP the best. There was a post about this about a month ago. Yeah, there are at least 4 known mixes of 'Love on a Real Train'. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 11:04 pm Subject: Couldn't resist (no TD) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > Is that anything like the Unbearable Pleasure Machine from > 'Barbarella' ? I remember that this looked like a enormous keyboard > device. Jane Fonda broke it BTW. Jane Fonda *broke* the Unbearable Pleasure Machine. How'd she break it Phil? And when? -- before her marriage to TT or after? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Please Forward to the Jarre List (No TD Content) Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi, I bought a Jarre album the other day that I'd never seen before nor even ever heard of: MUSIK AUS ZEIT UND RAUM. Also, on the cover, which is of the head and shoulders of a girl holding a seashell--to which wires and electronic components are attached--to her ear are the words, 'Oxygene, Equinoxe und andere unerh:orte sch:opfungen in jarre-fidelity'. This is a greatest hits sorta deal, and I think it is from 1982 or 1983. It has 'Arpeggiator' on it. I am not a subscriber to the Jarre list because--even though I like a lot of his stuff--I am hardly a die-hard fan. Please forgive the question above if it is an elementary one which has been dealt with a whole lot of times already. :) Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ & Hong Kong Film Connection ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: sfeldman@w... ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2017 Re: Please Forward to the Jarre List (No TD Conte Matt Williams Fri 3/21/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 11:33 pm Subject: Re: Concert Recordings (non TD) Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-03-18 15:04:59 EST, you write: > > << I've got reel and cs tapes that date back to 1968. While some have > lost the treble most still play OK. The only trick I know I learned > from old studio pro/producer Bill Halverson--get 'em out every now and > again and run 'em through the machine to re-spool 'em. Seems to work > for my old Multi-tracks as well as Masters. Anything worth keeping is > worth maintaining. Mike >> > > I think you may find that the above method is a way to reduce print > through and lateral warpage and stretching. Playing them every so > often will have no affect of the chemical deterioration of the tape > binders and coatings. This is an ongoing process just like erosion. > The only way to reduce chemical change is to retard the process; either > by controlling the environmental conditions causing it or, in the case > where it is an internal chemical process, reducing the temperature to > a point where the activity is slowed down considerably. > > Phil Naunton Do you have any source material on the deterioration you're describing. I'd alway heard it was mainly moisture that killed tape, not temperature. Keep it dry and keep it forever. If temperature is the bigger factor, I'd like to know it and would like to read something from the manufacturers. For the meantime, I'll take your word on it and keeping tapes cool won't hurt *unless* -- this bit's important -- *unless* in the processes of cooling the tape, condensation is allowed to form. Outside of a laboratory, condensation is almost unavoidable when you cool down a bulk like a cassette tape. My $2E-2 -- Mark (I'd really like to know) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 20, 1997 10:43 pm Subject: DAT compatibility (no TD content) Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: PNaunton@a... -snip- > At the risk of creating a controversy, I will write that I > have heard that there are different recording formats available on > different types of DAT machines. I may be wrong, however, lacking any > specific evidence. I have heard through the grape vine that DAT Tapes > recorded on the partable Sony DAT machine will not play on a studio > machine because the tracks are laid out differently and incompatably. > Yes? No? Is this a possibility in your case? You don't give > specifics, so my response may be off the wall. If so, sorry. If my > information is totally wrong, sorry for trying to artificially create > hysteria. I *know* there are different connectors and that creates problems. I *thought* there were different tape formats as well. So I went a lookin'. The result: the post I put up yesterday (sans any mention of incompatible tape formats) -- so now I'm not so sure. How about you folks who use DAT a lot and are much more familiar with the products (Francisco? Marcel?). Are there two incompatible DAT tape format standards? Or could it be that some players can only handle a fixed sample rate and if a tape is recorded at a different sample rate, they throw up? -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2022 Re: DAT compatibility (no TD content) Pixel Fri 3/21/1997 3 KB 2025 Re: DAT compatibility (no TD content) Marcel Engels Sat 3/22/1997 3 KB 2027 Re: DAT compatibility (no TD content) Francisco Salgado C. Sat 3/22/1997 3 KB 2224 Re: DAT compatibility (no TD content) feldon@n... Tue 4/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 2:54 pm Subject: REDSHIFT Really-From: Michael A Jean It has been said before, but I'll repeat it... Redshift is excellent! I was listening to it this morning for the first time...I was enjoying it so much that I locked my keys in my car (something I haven't done in over 15 years)! If you can't buy it, you HAVE TO borrow it from a friend! Mike J Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2028 Re: REDSHIFT Larry E Smith Sat 3/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 2:50 pm Subject: Poland 2CD Really-From: feldon@n... I just bought the Poland 2CD. Wow, this thing is amazing. Definately 5AS. I put it right up there with Logos. I am actively searching for copies of Poland 2CD laying around here in town. I know one other place where I can get the 2CD but I don't know any other places that I could get it. Morgan feldon@n... P.S. Now I know what they're playing after the 24 minutes of unreleased stuff on Logos (towards the end of the first set)! They start playing Tangent! Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2106 Poland 2CD feldon@n... Wed 3/26/1997 2 KB 33101 Poland 2CD Morgan Feldon Fri 3/29/2002 5 KB 33107 Re: Poland 2CD Admin Sat 3/30/2002 6 KB 33120 Re: Poland 2CD hyperboreauk Sat 3/30/2002 6 KB 33115 Re: Poland 2CD Dave Brewer Sat 3/30/2002 3 KB 33130 Re: Poland 2CD John Vertical Sat 3/30/2002 2 KB 33217 Re: Poland 2CD GCall10692@a... Thu 4/4/2002 2 KB 33243 Re: Poland 2CD michael_berling Sat 4/6/2002 3 KB 33219 Poland 2CD Morgan Feldon Fri 4/5/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 3:15 pm Subject: Re: Network 388 Covers TD Tunes? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > -snip- > > >From Legacy by Tomm Scallon > Tranquility Bass by T-Bass, > MixMatch by Tony Marshall, > Inmortal Love by Scott K. Lawlor, > Synchronized Sculptures by Conscience, > Cross Country by Riley Roden, > Down the Road by David Brewer, > Cosmo's Moon by Kinski, > Manhattan by Jeffrey Bergman, > Untitled by Satsuma Nigthmare, > Piedras by Ciro A. Rodriguez and > The Absent Piano by Glynn Naugthon. Hidden in those names would I find an Ash Prema, or a Marcel Engles, or maybe Francisco Salgado? Any of those going 'aka' there? Little known facts: We've all learned that Germans spell words containing 'ie', 'ei' instead (instaed? -- oh well). Now it can be revealed that Spaniards spell things with 'ght' as 'gth' because that's the way they're spelled in Spanish! Thus 'Nightmare' becomes 'Nigthmare' and 'Naughton' becomes 'Naugthon'. This brings up one of the truely amazing things about Spanish. Though the 't' and the 'h' are reversed, the words are nevertheless pronounced exactly the way they'd be said in English (or is it Englihs?). > This tape was compiled by Jeffrey Bergmann and artwork by Stephan > Bishoff. Thanks Jeff (you are sending me one aren't you Jeff? -- just kidding, I don't think it's even been a week yet -- well, maybe a week and a smidge) and thanks Stephen -- you should all see his web page -- stunning. -- Mark (just for fun) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Ouch: 4 'No TD Headers' in a row! Really-From: Steven Feldman I just noticed: the last four posts to the TD list had some permutation of 'No TD' in their header/disclaimers. Could this be the start of a new trend? Say it isn't so! X-o :( ;) :) -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 3:58 pm Subject: hi~~ Really-From: s83213 hi: I am a student studying in industry techique eduation. Recently,I write a report about tree. So I hope that you can tell me some information about tree. I hope that I can receive your letter as soon as you can. Then I can finish my report earliy. If you can write letter to me,I will thank you very much. Hope that we will be friends. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2018 Re: hi~~ Mark Filipak Fri 3/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 4:43 pm Subject: My postings I'd liek to apologize to the list for my double postings of late. We been having some trouble with our mail server that the boys down in Networking are working on. No wonder we're having troubles! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 5:51 pm Subject: Conspiracy (no TD content) Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > I just noticed: the last four posts to the TD list had some > permutation of 'No TD' in their header/disclaimers. Could this be the > start of a new trend? Say it isn't so! X-o :( ;) :) > > -- Steven Feldman Don't worry Steve. It's only a conspiracy. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Please Forward to the Jarre List (No TD Content) Really-From: Matt Williams >Really-From: Steven Feldman >Hi, > I bought a Jarre album the other day that I'd never seen before nor >even ever heard of: MUSIK AUS ZEIT UND RAUM. Also, on the cover, which >is of the head and shoulders of a girl holding a seashell--to which >wires and electronic components are attached--to her ear are the words, >'Oxygene, Equinoxe und andere unerh:orte sch:opfungen in jarre-fidelity'. >This is a greatest hits sorta deal, and I think it is from 1982 or 1983. >It has 'Arpeggiator' on it. > I am not a subscriber to the Jarre list because--even though I like >a lot of his stuff--I am hardly a die-hard fan. Please forgive the >question above if it is an elementary one which has been dealt with a >whole lot of times already. :) >Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ >33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ >Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ >02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | >(617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ & Hong Kong Film Connection ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ >BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ >INTERNET: sfeldman@w... ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ >HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ ><*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ I have been trying to subscribe tothe jarre list without success.....does it now exist.my mails come back saying 'jarre list does not exist'.....when I sent of for a list of all the groups that are run by majordomo the jarre one wasn't among them! Matt...... ------------- Matt Williams ------------- * matt@s... * * * * irc nicks: draft or jos * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 6:03 pm Subject: Re: hi~~ Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: s83213 > > hi: > I am a student studying in industry techique eduation. > Recently,I write a report about tree. > So I hope that you can tell me some information about tree. > I hope that I can receive your letter as soon as you can. > Then I can finish my report earliy. > If you can write letter to me,I will thank you very much. > Hope that we will be friends. Hello from the Tangerine Dream Mailing List in Wisconsin, USA. I can tell from your e-address that you are in Taiwan. Welcome. I think you are probably referring to the tape tree that Francisco Salgado is setting up. Francisco lives in Spain and is an old timer with the list. You may want to post your questions to the list so we can all see them, but address your questions specifically to Francisco so he knows that he is the person who should respond. Okay? Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 2:12 am Subject: Re: Convention Of The 24 Really-From: Boneheads1@a... > Yes, yes, yes! :) This is my fave track on the album. NOTE TO THOSE >WHO REALLY LIKE THIS TRACK YET DON'T OWN EDGAR'S Kamikaze 1989 >SOUNDTRACK: >On KAMIKAZE 1989, there is a track named 'Snake Bath' which is much like >'Convention of the 24' in its trance-like qualities. But now, a question: >would anyone put the second half of 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' (from the >FORCE MAJEURE album) in the same category as the two aforementioned tracks? > -- Steven Feldman and > Thank you much for saying that because I too was thinking of Through Metamorphic Rocks when I listened to Convention Of The 24. It seems we think alike this way. This is a style that TD has really refined IMHO. It's kinda cinematic without the movie, and takes a different kind of listening (sometimes even some getting used to). I hope they keep doin lots of it! Groovin : ) Tim From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 6:53 pm Subject: D: Next week Zeit From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 9:04 pm Subject: private music etc Really-From: Michael A Jean According to the latest ICE magazine, several Vangelis discs Albedo 0.39, Beauborg, BEst of, Heaven and HEll and Spiral will all be reissued on APril 29th by Private Music.... Also PM is releasing two (yes two) Yanni compilations in April... In the Mirror, and Port of Mystery... Also a UK special edition of Kraftwerks' Man MAchine to celebrate EMI's 100 years in the business... Sorry for the non-TD content, but I thought some people might like to know... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2024 Re: private music etc Jim Moore Sat 3/22/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 22, 1997 6:13 am Subject: Re: DAT compatibility (no TD content) Really-From: Pixel > I *know* there are different connectors and that creates problems. I > *thought* there were different tape formats as well. So I went a > lookin'. The result: the post I put up yesterday (sans any mention of > incompatible tape formats) -- so now I'm not so sure. How about you > folks who use DAT a lot and are much more familiar with the products > (Francisco? Marcel?). Are there two incompatible DAT tape format > standards? Or could it be that some players can only handle a fixed > sample rate and if a tape is recorded at a different sample rate, they > throw up? -- Mark I had 5-6 DAT recorders until now at the price range of 600-6000 USD. DAT formats basicly compatible over the different brands. No matter what kind of sample rate you used during recording the player will play it. But: 1. cheaper recorders will not record 44.1 kHz from analog input, 2. error correcting method can vary (as we discovered Fostex uses a different method for error correction than Sony) which causes no problem in most cases. GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: D: Next Week: THE FORK IN THE TOASTER! (Hee hee hee) Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Ducking for Cover' >Subject: D: Next week >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:53:00 -0500 >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >Zeit Yahoo! THE FORK IN THE TOASTER! ;) Now, if anyone here can recall who coined this term for ZEIT in the first place . . . ;) Because, you see, actually, I think it's more like the pitchfork in the corrugated metal roof (how a pitchfork would have gotten there is another question entirely, but then, who would stick a fork in a toaster, in the first place?). X-0 :P ;) Maybe we should put a pet nicknames section in the list FAQ for such wondrously popular TD issuances as ZEIT, DESTINATION BERLIN (a/k/a DESTINATION CUTOUT BIN a/k/a DESTINATION DUSTBIN) DEADLY CARE (a/k/a DEADLY BORING), TURN OF THE TIDES (a/k/a TURN OF THE STOMACH), ZONING (a/k/a SNOOZING), GOBLINS' CLUB (a/k/a GOBLINS' FLUB), and BEYOND THE STORM (a/k/a BEYOND THE PALE). Whaddaya think? :P ;) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 22, 1997 4:53 pm Subject: RE: private music etc Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Michael A Jean >According to the latest ICE magazine, several Vangelis discs Albedo 0.39, >Beauborg, BEst of, Heaven and HEll and Spiral will all be reissued on >APril 29th by Private Music.... Has Vangelis been signed by Private? Well, two things could happen: (1) Vangelis goes down the John, or (2) Vangelis raises the bar for Private Music. >Also PM is releasing two (yes two) Yanni compilations in April... In the >Mirror, and Port of Mystery... I thought every Yanni album after his second WAS a compilation... >Sorry for the non-TD content, but I thought some people might like to >know... Well, since Private WAS founded by a former TD member, and TD WAS under that label for about 4 years, we'll let it slide... :) - jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 10:23 pm Subject: Re: DAT compatibility (no TD content) Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > I *know* there are different connectors and that creates problems. I > *thought* there were different tape formats as well. So I went a > lookin'. The result: the post I put up yesterday (sans any mention of > incompatible tape formats) -- so now I'm not so sure. How about you > folks who use DAT a lot and are much more familiar with the products > (Francisco? Marcel?). Are there two incompatible DAT tape format > standards? Or could it be that some players can only handle a fixed > sample rate and if a tape is recorded at a different sample rate, they > throw up? -- Mark When we were going to do our gig we were strongly advised that we bring our own DAT-recorder with us. Because they, at the festival, previously had difficult reading some DAT-tapes. I personally had no problems with it but they had. So there are probably some incompatibilities with this. Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 9:43 pm Subject: Re: Network 388 Covers TD Tunes? Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > > -snip- > > > > Tranquility Bass by T-Bass, Here is hidden Mr Hughes > > Synchronized Sculptures by Conscience, Ruediger Illg > > Untitled by Satsuma Nigthmare, Alan Stocker syths+programming, Jon Angell guitar Helen Parish guitar and vocals > Hidden in those names would I find an Ash Prema, or a Marcel Engles, or > maybe Francisco Salgado? Any of those going 'aka' there? As you see non of us is here 'incognito'. > Little known facts: > > We've all learned that Germans spell words containing 'ie', 'ei' instead > (instaed? -- oh well). Now it can be revealed that Spaniards spell > things with 'ght' as 'gth' because that's the way they're spelled in > Spanish! Thus 'Nightmare' becomes 'Nigthmare' and 'Naughton' becomes > 'Naugthon'. This brings up one of the truely amazing things about > Spanish. Though the 't' and the 'h' are reversed, the words are > nevertheless pronounced exactly the way they'd be said in English (or is > it Englihs?). Wrong. It's e-mail sindrome: when I try to write very fast a th may become a ht. Since I write my messages using Netscape mail capabilities I don't have a simple spell-checking mecanism ( nor the patience to re-read what I wrote). Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 21, 1997 9:21 pm Subject: Re: DAT compatibility (no TD content) Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > -snip- > > At the risk of creating a controversy, I will write that I > > have heard that there are different recording formats available on > > different types of DAT machines. I may be wrong, however, lacking any > > specific evidence. I have heard through the grape vine that DAT Tapes > > recorded on the partable Sony DAT machine will not play on a studio > > machine because the tracks are laid out differently and incompatably. > > Yes? No? Is this a possibility in your case? You don't give > > specifics, so my response may be off the wall. If so, sorry. If my > > information is totally wrong, sorry for trying to artificially create > > hysteria. > > I *know* there are different connectors and that creates problems. I > *thought* there were different tape formats as well. So I went a > lookin'. The result: the post I put up yesterday (sans any mention of > incompatible tape formats) -- so now I'm not so sure. How about you > folks who use DAT a lot and are much more familiar with the products > (Francisco? Marcel?). Are there two incompatible DAT tape format > standards? Absolutely not. DAT was a digital format designed by Sony and to be used by any DAT machine with independence of head diameter or size. There is only one format. The other format available is DDS and this is a digital data storage format Sony invented, also, taking advantage of the DAT media and using DAT format as the carrier format. DDS uses DAT as carrier data storage and, to my nowledge ( only very superficial), DDS incorporates more redundanc, read-after-write checking etc. francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 22, 1997 1:30 am Subject: Re: REDSHIFT Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) I just received my copy a couple of weeks ago. It is indeed excellent from start to finish. A must own for fans of early TD imo. Larry >Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > >It has been said before, but I'll repeat it... > >Redshift is excellent! I was listening to it this morning for the >first >time...I was enjoying it so much that I locked my keys in my car >(something I haven't done in over 15 years)! > >If you can't buy it, you HAVE TO borrow it from a friend! > > >Mike J > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: FROESE LPS - 'Ages' Really-From: klaatu@p... Would you believe, I found Ages on CD at a Best Buys chain store. I think its an import, but its in a place of reverence in my office so I can't post the label & number until Monday. >Really-From: Mark Filipak >Hi Phil, > >I believe the context here was 'Ages.' I don't think it was ever >released as a CD. I would like to find a good quality LP and digitize >it, clean it, equalize it, and master it to CDR. Know anybody who'd be >up for that and has the LP? > >Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Concert Recordings - Tape Life Really-From: klaatu@p... On the LP liner notes for Boston's 3rd album, Tom (Schultz?, last name escapes me) talks about how some of the masters which they did almost 10 years earlier & kept in a special environmentally controlled tape vault were all sticky. You would think that they would be fine since they were stored in a humidity & temp. controlled environment at the record company's vault, yet it happened. His solution was to spend hours spraying the reels with some special kind of silicone lubricant & then hand turning the takeup reel & spraying more lube whenever he hit a point that was still sticking. He then immediately transferred all the material to new digital masters cause he didn't know how many times he could play the old tapes before they got drop-outs. Good reel tapes come pre-lubed so there may be some truth to Maxell using Whale Oil if the tapes were made in Japan. American manufactured tapes would have to use some other oil seeing how whaling is illegal here. Look into silicone lubes, you want to spray the reels with something that will penetrate or seep down between the spiral & neutralize the stickiness, yet not make the tape so slick (like teflon would) that the capstan wheel won't be able pull the tape across at a constant rate. > ........and I've got tapes from the early Seventies which are >unplayable, at least on my Revox B77. The tapes are so gummy they clog the >heads, vibrate like violin strings, and, after a few minutes of play, stop >completely. They are Ampex and Scotch Masters, a couple of BASFs. Oh yes, I >almost forgot, I have one tape of unknown age and manufacture from which the >oxide coating sheds, if you even think about playing it. > >Phil Naunton > > P.S. There are alot of Maxell tapes which play fine. They are also very >old, but there is nothing worth very much on them. I think they've lasted >because Maxell used Whale Oil in the adhesive. At least that is the rumor >from the zenophobes. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: AGES on CD????!!!! Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >>Really-From: klaatu@p... >>Would you believe, I found Ages on CD at a Best Buys chain store. >>I think its an import, but its in a place of reverence >>in my office so I can't post the label & number until Monday. !!!! How long ago did you find this CD? There were rumors that it (and Macula Transfer) would be released eventually on CD by Virgin, but AFAIK (or as far as any of the TD fan mags know) this hasn't happened yet. Supposedly this was never released as a CD before, either. Any data you have would be ***extraordinarily*** welcome. Are you sure you're not thinking of 'Aqua' or a different Froese solo CD? John Burek From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 22, 1997 4:41 pm Subject: hi Really-From: rocket7@i... Hello! I wanted to share something very important. You know each of us only has one life to live. We need to make decisions now that will determine our future. The God of heaven sent his only Son to this earth to let us have a way to be right with God, have God's help in this life and one day be in heaven with God. There in heaven is peace, rest, love and joy. We definitely don't want to go to the other place called hell. In hell, there is darkness, thirst, torment and weeping and gnashing of teeth. So how can we enjoy God's blessing now and be in heaven? Simple, receive Jesus Christ as Savior. It says that if we will confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in our heart that God raised him from the dead we will be saved. We can simply pray: Heavenly Father, forgive me of my sins and I now confess Jesus Christ as the Lord of my life and I believe in my heart (with everything in me) that you raised Jesus Christ from the dead. The Word of God (the Bible) says that you are now saved! You are now a child of God, transferred from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light! Jesus is now your Good Shepherd, taking care of you and helping you! Thanks for reading and choosing life. Hope to hear from you soon! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2033 Re: hi Sean Montgomery Sat 3/22/1997 2 KB 2034 Re: hi feldon@n... Sat 3/22/1997 2 KB 2035 Re: hi...Oasis video Matt Williams Sun 3/23/1997 5 KB 2050 hi lightning500@m... Mon 3/24/1997 3 KB 2067 Re: hi Rainer Rutka Mon 3/24/1997 3 KB 2306 hi rocket3@i... Fri 4/4/1997 3 KB 2360 Re: hi PNaunton@a... Sat 4/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 22, 1997 9:32 pm Subject: Re: hi Really-From: Sean Montgomery Of course, you're entitled to your opinion, but this is not the place to be envangelizing, whoever you are. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 22, 1997 11:10 pm Subject: Re: hi Really-From: feldon@n... At 10:41 AM 3/22/97 -0600, you wrote: >Really-From: rocket7@i... > > >Hello! I wanted to share something very important. >You know each of us only has one life to live. Please cease from spamming the Tangerine Dream mailing list. Thank You, Morgan Marks Terramorph Productions feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2035 Re: hi...Oasis video Matt Williams Sun 3/23/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: hi...Oasis video Really-From: Matt Williams >Really-From: feldon@n... >At 10:41 AM 3/22/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Really-From: rocket7@i... >> >> >>Hello! I wanted to share something very important. >>You know each of us only has one life to live. >Please cease from spamming the Tangerine Dream mailing list. >Thank You, >Morgan Marks >Terramorph Productions >feldon@n... Hi Everyone...please lets not send mails telling someone not to send something to this list otherwise we will just get loads of mails saying what we all think,thats why they send it in half the time just to wind the list up!!. Anyway I wanted to write and say how dissapointed I was with 'Oasis'..I paid 16 pounds for it and what a waste of money it is....I will say the visuals are stunning but not worth the money alone.....I used to hate TD with sax on the tracks but just hearing music played by Jerome and Edgar I now realise how bland they sound without Linda blowing away(Oooooeeeeer sounds a bit rude:)....I always liked the searing guitars anyway.....this music was just dull and unimagintive.....I remember reading someone comparing the music to certain parts of '220 Volts' well I don't see it....220 Volts is my favorite 90s release by TD and is in fact in my top 10 of all albums I have heard!. The thing that really broke the cookie with me was the packaging of the video.....come on guys,whats going on?!!!!!!!!??!?!?!....the last three TD items I have brought have been Oasis,shepherd bush CD and the Goblin Club t- shirt the one thing they all have in commom is very poor quality....I hope this isn't going to be a new trend from the band,I realise they probably don't have much to do with the packaging of the items but the case and tape to Oasis didn't look worth 6 pounds let alone 16,I am real angry at the moment...Grrrr! On a brighter but non TD note I picked up 'works volume 1-live at emma' by Andy Pickford and although it's basically 'Terraformer' played live the bonus studio track 'Arc Of Infinity' makes it a must but just for that....wow I was shocked and very pleased when I heard it....if your reading Andy please produce more music like this.....truely stunning...Andy sums it up best himself as 'gothic Trance' I think he said somewhere!!!.....I havn't really been a massive fan of Andy Pickford untill I heard Maelstrom but I hope he might be looking to delve into new styles rather then be stuck in the 'traditonal' E music scene.....well done Andy! Thats all Matt.... ------------- Matt Williams ------------- * matt@s... * * * * irc nicks: draft or jos * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 23, 1997 3:25 am Subject: Oranges From France Really-From: Vic Rek I haven't seen a post on this CD-R, so here are the details: Oranges from France CD-R, Country of release? (maybe Germany or Italy, but who knows?), 1996 No catalog/label information Rumour has it that this was a limited edition of 16 copies, but who knows? 3 Tracks: 1. Concert at Orange Festival, France 17.8.1975 - 35:19 (actual date was 16.8.75) This sounds like a direct recording of the bootleg 'A Dream Unbound'. Pops, clicks, flutter, etc. thrown in at no extra cost. 2. Sobornost (E. Froese solo 1981) - 8:19 Rare unreleased material by Edgar - Quality isn't that good. Interesting music for the Froese completist. 3. Catwalk (special long version) - 15:12 Version from the Italian CD-ROM. The inserts are printed by a computer color printer I would guess. The front insert is a picture of a field, two large palms, and hills in the background. The back insert shows a rolling field of yellow flowers and list track titles below a picture of a couple of 'fresh' oranges. If anybody has additional information, please let me know. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2038 Re: Oranges From France Marcel Engels Sun 3/23/1997 2 KB 2041 Re: Oranges From France Rainer Rutka Sun 3/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 23, 1997 5:29 am Subject: Re: Couldn't resist (no TD) - - no, none at all, and continuing. Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-21 09:32:35 EST, you write: << > Is that anything like the Unbearable Pleasure Machine from > 'Barbarella' ? I remember that this looked like a enormous keyboard > device. Jane Fonda broke it BTW. Jane Fonda *broke* the Unbearable Pleasure Machine. How'd she break it Phil? And when? -- before her marriage to TT or after? >> Ted wasn't even a glimmer in her eye at this point in her career. She was but a 'child'. So was I, BTW. And I haven't seen this movie for decades. It seems to me that Jane 'Barbarella' Fonda was to be 'tortured' by someone manipulating the Unbearable Pleasure Machine with her as the victim, but as luck would have it she had greater sensual powers and ended up torturing and finally frying the machine. My memory may be incorrect, however. I have been known to change events in books and movies to suit my own tastes (or lack thereof.) ;-) If memory serves, this movie had/has a lot of 'lack thereof'. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 23, 1997 10:22 am Subject: Re: Oranges From France Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Vic Rek > > > I haven't seen a post on this CD-R, so here are the details: > > Oranges from France CD-R, > Country of release? (maybe Germany or Italy, but who knows?), 1996 > No catalog/label information > Rumour has it that this was a limited edition of 16 copies, but who knows? > > 3 Tracks: > 1. Concert at Orange Festival, France 17.8.1975 - 35:19 > (actual date was 16.8.75) > This sounds like a direct recording of the bootleg 'A Dream Unbound'. > Pops, clicks, flutter, etc. thrown in at no extra cost. Orange Festival soon. 57 minutes CDR. Without pops, clicks etc. Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2041 Re: Oranges From France Rainer Rutka Sun 3/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 23, 1997 8:06 pm Subject: Network 388/Tone Colours Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi All, >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' >Network 388, the fan tape made by artists on this list as a tribute to >TD. 12 tracks A minor correction : Actually, Network 388 isn't a tribute album. All of the contributors write music which is influenced by TD rather than attempting to reproduce the music of TD. Ladies and Gentlemen, here's a puzzler. What colour or colours do TD albums, or any album for that matter, bring to mind and does that 'colour' change with the activitity of the listener? Just something which popped up in a conversation the other day when we were discussing if album graphics help plant ideas in the listeners head. To me, Underwater Sunlight has a 'bluey' feel. 'Hyperborea' is yellow. 'Goblin Club' is maroon. Food for thought? Cheers David T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2086 Re: Network 388/Tone Colours PENFOLD Tue 3/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 23, 1997 1:42 pm Subject: FS/FT: 'Assassin', 'Melrose' Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi All. Ashok Divakaran on the spacemusic list is selling these. I thought someone on Tadream might like to buy them so I'm cross posting. Mark Shreeve 'Assassin' $8 Tangerine Dream 'Melrose' $5 If you're interested, contact Ashok directly. I've prepared a couple of convenient click and send links below (just fill in the body): mailto:adivakaran@w...?subject=Assassin mailto:adivakaran@w...?subject=Melrose or if your emailer doesn't support this, here's his full name and address: Ashok Divakaran Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 23, 1997 2:50 pm Subject: Re: Oranges From France Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Sun, 23 Mar 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > > Really-From: Vic Rek > > > > > > I haven't seen a post on this CD-R, so here are the details: > > > > Oranges from France CD-R, > > Country of release? (maybe Germany or Italy, but who knows?), 1996 > > No catalog/label information > > Rumour has it that this was a limited edition of 16 copies, but who > knows? > > > > 3 Tracks: > > 1. Concert at Orange Festival, France 17.8.1975 - 35:19 > > (actual date was 16.8.75) > > This sounds like a direct recording of the bootleg 'A Dream > Unbound'. > > Pops, clicks, flutter, etc. thrown in at no extra cost. > > Orange Festival soon. 57 minutes CDR. Without pops, clicks etc. > > Marcel > OH YES ! I'll wait for it ! I have only the LP + Single - version. And it's poor quality (like the Fotzenslecker-boot) ! All the best ! Rainer Rutka --------------------------------------------------------------------- K+R Informationssysteme Konstanz E-Mail : rainer@i... Klimas und Rutka GbR CIS : 100065,2273 Griesseggstrasse 27 D Internet: www.k-r.de (i.A.) Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 D-78462 Konstanz Fax : +49 (0)7531 29879 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'Zentrum fuer objektorientierte Softwareentwicklung und -design' Spezialisten fuer : SMALLTALK, UNIX und Windows/NT - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 23, 1997 7:32 pm Subject: Re: Network 388 Covers TD Tunes? Really-From: Boneheads1@a... >Network 388, the fan tape made by artists on this list as a tribute to >TD. 12 tracks >From Legacy by Tomm Scallon Just to clarify a misunderstanding, the name of the song is 'From Legacy Processes' (meant to share the influence on me of some of the many TD styles), the name of the band (in this case me) is '2R1', and my name is Tim Scallon. I've known some nice people named Tom, they're just not me. Sorry... Thanks for the space. Tim From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 23, 1997 9:00 pm Subject: Thief SBM typos Really-From: Rich Maggio Well, I finally received my copy of Thief. As a matter of fact, I am listening to it right now. It's pretty good - I need to listen to it a few more times to make a comprehensive commentary. The copy that I have is made in Holland. Two interesting observations about the CD - 1) Peter Baumann is listed as one of the musicians and 2) the title on the spine of the jewel case is 'Thief - Tangerine Dream Live'. What is wrong with these people? Doesn't anything get proofread? Has anyone else noticed these mistakes on the SBM of Thief? Rich Maggio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2052 Re: Thief SBM typos Mark Filipak Mon 3/24/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 23, 1997 9:58 pm Subject: Updated TD Filmography Really-From: 'Harri Ikonen' Hello everyone, Here's an updated copy of my Tangerine Dream filmography. I received more information about several titles and decided to put all non-movie soundtracks into a separate section in the end. There are two new entries, 'Kamikaze' and 'The Rainbow', and the feature-length pilot movie of 'Street Hawk' is also included for completion. Interesting trivia: Tangerine Dream have scored 7 of Bobby Roth's 15 films! TANGERINE DREAM FILMOGRAPHY Last Updated: March 23, 1997 'Sorcerer', aka 'Wages of Fear' (1977) 121 min. W: Georges Arnaud & Walon Green / D: William Friedkin Universal Pictures / Paramount 'Kneuss' (1978) D: Gaudenz Meili 'Thief', aka 'Violent Streets' (1981) 126 min. W: Frank Hohimer & Michael Mann / D: Michael Mann United Artists 'Strange Behaviour', aka 'Dead Kids' (1981) 98 min. W: Bill Condon & Michael Laughlin / D: Michael Laughlin World Northal 'The Soldier', aka 'Codename Soldier' (1982) 96 min. W & D: James Glickenhaus Embassy 'Identificazione di Una Donna', aka 'Indentification of a Woman' (1982) 130 min. W: Michelangelo Antonioni, Gerard Brach & Tonino Guerra / D: Michelangelo Antonioni Iter Film / Gaumont 'Wavelength' (1983) 87 min. W & D: Mike Gray New World Pictures 'Risky Business' (1983) 96 min. W & D: Paul Brickman Geffen Pictures / Warner Bros. 'The Keep' (1983) 96 min. W: Michael Mann & F. Paul Wilson / D: Michael Mann Paramount 'Spasms', aka 'Death Bite' (1983) 92 min. W: Don Enright, William Fruet, Michael Maryk & Brent Monahan / D: William Fruet Producers Distribution Group 'Heartbreakers' (1984) 98 min. W & D: Bobby Roth Jethro Film Productions / Orion 'Flashpoint' (1984) 94 min. W: Michael Butler, George La Fountaine & Dennis Shryack / D: William Tannen TriStar / HBO / Silver Screen Partners 'Firestarter' (1984) 115 min. W: Stephen King & Stanley Mann / D: Mark L. Lester Universal Pictures 'Street Hawk' (1984) 60 min. D: Virgil Vogel Limekiln / Templar Prod. 'Vision Quest', aka 'Crazy for You' (1985) 105 min. W: Terry Davis & Darryl Ponicsan / D: Harold Becker Warner Bros. 'Red Heat', aka 'Rote Hitze' (1985) 104 min. W: Robert Collector & Gary Drucker / D: Robert Collector International Screen 'Legend' (1985, US version) 89 min. W: William Hjortsberg / D: Ridley Scott Universal Pictures / 20th Century Fox 'Forbidden' (1985) 116 min. D: Anthony Page HBO Premiere Films 'The Park is Mine' (1986) 102 min. W: Lyle Gorch & Steven Peters / D: Steven Hilliard Stern International Cinema Corporation / Ramble Film Productions 'Zoning' (1986) 89 min. W: Angelika Hacker & Ulrich Krenkler / D: Ulrich Krenkler Scala Z 'Kamikaze' (1986) W: Luc Besson, Didier Grousset & Michele Halberstadt / D: Luc Besson & Didier Grousset Gaumont 'Tonight's the Night', aka 'The Game of Love' (1987) 100 min. W: Sue Grafton & Steve Humphrey / D: Bobby Roth Phoenix Entertainment Group 'Three O'Clock High' (1987) 101 min. W: Richard Christian Matheson & Thomas E. Szollosi / D: Phil Joanou Universal Pictures 'Shy People' (1987) 118 min. W: Gerard Brach, Marjorie David & Andrei Konchalovsky / D: Andrei Konchalovsky Cannon Group 'Near Dark' (1987) 95 min. W: Kathryn Bigelow & Eric Red / D: Kathryn Bigelow F/M Entertainment 'Deadly Care' (1987) 96 min. D: David Anspaugh Universal Television 'Miracle Mile' (1988) 87 min. W & D: Steve de Jarnatt Hemdale 'Dead Solid Perfect' (1988) 95 min. W: Dan Jenkins / D: Bobby Roth HBO Premiere Films 'Red Nights' (1988) 90 min. W & D: Izhak Hanooka TransWorld Entertainment 'Catch Me If You Can' (1989) 105 min. W & D: Stephen Sommers Management Company Entertainment Group 'Destination Berlin' (1989) W & D: Ernst A. Heiniger & Stefan Lukschy Circle Vision 'City of Shadows', aka 'City of Night' (1989) 97 min. D: David Mitchell New World Pictures 'The Rainbow' (1989) 104 min. W: Ken Russell & Vivian Russell / D: Ken Russell Vestron 'Rainbow Drive' (1990) 100 min. W: Bennett Cohen, Bill Phillips & Roderick Thorp / D: Bobby Roth Vidmark Entertainment 'The Man Inside', aka 'L'Affair Wallraff' (1990) 93 min. W: Bobby Roth & Guenter Wallraff / D: Bobby Roth FPC Productions / New Line Cinema / The Man Inside 'Highway to Hell' (1992) 93 min. W: Brian Helgeland / D: Ate de Jong Hemdale 'The Switch' (1993) 97 min. W: T.S. Cook & Ron Schultz / D: Bobby Roth CBS 'Memphis PD: War on the Streets' (1996) W & D: Vince DiPersio & Bill Guttentag Half Court Pictures / HBO 'Single Man' D: Bobby Roth OTHER SOUNDTRACKS & VIDEOS 'Take It to the Limit' (1979) 90 min. [Racing Documentary] USA Home 'Canyon Dreams' (1987) 40 min. [Video Album] Miramar / BMG 'True North' (1992) 45 min. [Video Album] Miramar / BMG 'Three Phase Live' (1993) 50 min. [Concert Video] Miramar / BMG 'Oasis' (1997) [Video Album] Camera One -- Harri Ikonen hikonen@m... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 23, 1997 11:14 pm Subject: Re: Tone Colours Really-From: 'K.E' David J. Hughes wrote: > What colour or colours do TD albums, or any album for that matter, >bring to mind... Well, to me Exit has always been the most 'colourfull' of all TD records. It is very Blue in all meanings... In the beginneing of the Eighties I was very much into bigcity 'culture' and did travel a lot in Europe - mostly by train. That brought me to East Germany and Berlin - Two places wich Exit very much reminds me of; White-blue neonlights at night on grey concrete buildings - traveling on trains at night - desolated railwaystations amd factories and a strange cold and tense atmosphere...but in the same time in a positive way! Do you get it? Well, I think it`s something about the 'New wave' feeling at the time - at least it inspired me to e few short stories. By the way - Dawid Bowies masterpiece 'Low' has exactly the same feeling and in spirit very much connected to 'Exit' Kent Now risident in the countryside a few miles away from civilisation Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2047 Re: Tone Colours Greg Mon 3/24/1997 5 KB 2049 Re: Tone Colours Vic Rek Mon 3/24/1997 2 KB 2051 Re: Tone Colours Mark Filipak Mon 3/24/1997 3 KB 2100 Re: Tone Colours Grant Middleton Wed 3/26/1997 3 KB 2115 Re: Tone Colours Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 3/27/1997 3 KB 2122 Re: Tone Colours Grant Middleton Thu 3/27/1997 4 KB 2136 Tone Colours David J. Hughes Fri 3/28/1997 4 KB 2140 Re: Tone Colours Erik Sanborn Fri 3/28/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 23, 1997 11:28 pm Subject: Promotion Video Really-From: 'K.E' Hi all! Has anybody seen the promotion video for Goblins Club? It hasn`t been mentioned anywhere as far as I know, so I think I will give it few words; It`s a video for 'Towards the Evening Star' and it`s only about 4 minuttes long - Thank God! What you see is a handfull of dancers moving closely in front of the camera and the background is some kind of computergenerated landscape. It was directed by Edgar Froese, but I am sorry to say that it is very boring! I did borrow it from Castle in Denmark but didn`t bother to make copy of it before I returned it! (Sorry!) Kent From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 24, 1996 1:27 am Subject: Re: Tone Colours Hello All,My first time writing here..#009;As far as album covers and designs go, my favorites are from the late 70's, early 80's. I particularly like the 'Tangram' cover, but that's due to a feeling I get when I glance at the lettering of the title and group name... I don't know about you, but at first glance, the lettering reminds me of an alcoholic beaverage.. ?? but the form hidden in the red is just mysterious and as I would guess, the form is probably something very simple... The 'Hyperborea' cover just confuses me--can anyone explain this one? I have the same feeling about the 'blueness' of 'Underwater Sunlight' cover, but even better is Castles' shade of blue used on the actual CD.. I do have a personal disliking for the 'Lily on the Beach' cover--not only does this give me a feeling of being to commercial in it's basic 'play-around' with a simple computer graphics program, but there seems to be a lack of a basic theme in the cover. Maybe this reflection of the cover shows in the music--it having no real theme (reason for existence/message.. etc.) and sounding very commercial (my opinion!) #009;One last thing (please forgive me if this has been talked about before) on the cover of 'Goblins Club', what do the numbers found on the continents of the globe mean? 1--2--3--4? Thanks!Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 2:01 am Subject: Looking to Trade Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Hi Gang, A friend of mine is looking for the following TD recordings: I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You w/Chi Coltrane Vocals Quinoa (original recording) My freinds name is Dan Schulte he has returned to Supercollector in CA.He has a large TD collection and other artists.He would like to trade for these items so you can give him a call at 1-800-99SCIFI. I have traded with him before so TRUST should not be something to worry about. Give him a call, Robert Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 9005 Looking to Trade AslanFan1@a... Mon 11/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 3:09 am Subject: Re: Tone Colours Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'K.E' >East Germany and Berlin - Two places wich Exit very much reminds me of; >White-blue neonlights at night on grey concrete buildings - traveling on >trains at night - desolated railwaystations amd factories and a strange >cold and tense atmosphere... I used to travel the Frankfurt-Dresden-Wroclaw-Warsaw route by train as a teenager during the 70's. It was an intense experiance for me - a pure 23 hour emotional trip. Those times are gone. But I understand the emotions here. Good ones remain too. >By the way - Dawid Bowies masterpiece 'Low' has exactly the same feeling >and in spirit very much connected to 'Exit' I have this disc. I agree, but 'Low' is still somewhat 'darker' to me, but a classic! Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 1:54 am Subject: hi Really-From: lightning500@m... Hello! I wanted to share something very important. You know each of us only has one life to live. We need to make decisions now that will determine our future. The God of heaven sent his only Son to this earth to let us have a way to be right with God, have God's help in this life and one day be in heaven with God. There in heaven is peace, rest, love and joy. We definitely don't want to go to the other place called hell. In hell, there is darkness, thirst, torment and weeping and gnashing of teeth. So how can we enjoy God's blessing now and be in heaven? Simple, receive Jesus Christ as Savior. It says that if we will confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in our heart that God raised him from the dead we will be saved. We can simply pray: Heavenly Father, forgive me of my sins and I now confess Jesus Christ as the Lord of my life and I believe in my heart (with everything in me) that you raised Jesus Christ from the dead. The Word of God (the Bible) says that you are now saved! You are now a child of God, transferred from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light! Jesus is now your Good Shepherd, taking care of you and helping you! Thanks for reading and choosing life. Hope to hear from you soon! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2067 Re: hi Rainer Rutka Mon 3/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 3:04 am Subject: Re: Tone Colours Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Hello All, > > My first time writing here.. Welcome Greg! I was going to write to you personally (ie, off-list) but your header doesn't give a clue what your email address is. Very strange. Looks like majordomo could figure it out either -- there's no 'Really from:' like there usually is. Oh well, looks like we're not going to be able to send you private mail. You should look into why this is happening. Perhaps Dave Datta can help. Send private mail to me and lets see what happens, okay? Mark Filipak The reason I wanted to mail you privately was to tell you your computer thinks it's 1996. Not a big deal but it does cause mail from you to sort way into the past -- which, with 254 messages in my inbasket, is way off screen. Cheers and welcome to the list. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 4:50 am Subject: Re: Thief SBM typos Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Rich Maggio > > Well, I finally received my copy of Thief. As a matter of fact, > I am listening to it right now. It's pretty good - I need to listen > to it a few more times to make a comprehensive commentary. > > The copy that I have is made in Holland. Two interesting observations > about the CD - 1) Peter Baumann is listed as one of the musicians and > 2) the title on the spine of the jewel case is 'Thief - Tangerine > Dream Live'. > > What is wrong with these people? Doesn't anything get proofread? > Has anyone else noticed these mistakes on the SBM of Thief? > > Rich Maggio I brought both of these to the attention of Wayne Shevlin of Virgin Records requesting that when it is corrected and a new run is printed, that we on the tadream list be given the opportunity to buy new papers. Here is the full list of errors I gave to Wayne: TAND11 'Tangram' lower backside: band lineup should read Edgar Froese Chris Franke Johannes Schmoelling TAND12 'Thief' lower backside: band lineup should read Edgar Froese Chris Franke Johannes Schmoelling spine: should not say 'Live' as this is a soundtrack, not a live album. TAND13 'Exit' lower backside: band lineup should read Edgar Froese Chris Franke Johannes Schmoelling spine: should not say 'Live' as this is a studio album, not a live album. Realistically, I don't expect to hear from Wayne again. He said he would pass on my request to 'the appropriate person' but I never heard from anyone else. I also told Wayne that the new inserts are _boring_ and they should use the material from the original LPs instead. Perhaps if Wayne got more 'fan' mail, something would happen. :-) Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 3:23 am Subject: Hyperborea cover Really-From: Mark Filipak Subject was: Re: Tone Colours Greg (no email address) wrote: > > Hello All, > > My first time writing here.. -snip- > ... The 'Hyperborea' cover just confuses me--can anyone explain this > one? ... Accoring to my dictionary, the Hyperboreans were what the Greeks called unknown people from the frigid, far north, so presumably, Hyperborea would be an immaginary artic country inhabited by Hyperboreans. I like this cover a lot but it does hold a bit of mystery for me. The ice floes are obvious. The orange-yellow wavey circle conveys the bright but cold sun in the artic quite effectively to me. The vertical lines below.... maybe they symbolize the technological civilizations to the south to emphasize how barren the artic is. Why the 'UPC' is '2001' is the biggest mystery to me. Is this an allusion to Arthur Clarke's '2001, A Space Odyssey'? I'd love to sit down with Monica and ask her about this cover. Anybody else have some ideas here? Ciao -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2055 Re: Hyperborea cover Greg Mon 3/24/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 2:53 am Subject: Streaks on Tangram cover Really-From: Mark Filipak Subject was: Re: Tone Colours > > Hello All, > > My first time writing here.. > > As far as album covers and designs go, my favorites are from the late > 70's, early 80's. I particularly like the 'Tangram' cover, but that's > due to a feeling I get when I glance at the lettering of the title and > group name... I don't know about you, but at first glance, the > lettering reminds me of an alcoholic beaverage.. ?? but the form > hidden in the red is just mysterious and as I would guess, the form is > probably something very simple... Here's what I think it/they are: .....:::::::::::::: :::.... .....::::::::::::::'''' '''::::::::::::''''' Area 1 (corner of table?) ::::::::::::::::::... Area 2 (part of back of chair from behind?) :::::::::::::::::::::::.. ''':::::. ':::. ::::... '::. ::::''' ::. '' Area 3 (?) :: I've separated the areas a little to make them more identifiable as they overlap on the cover. Areas 1 & 2 look like highlights from the rounded corner of a chome dining table and half of the top of a tubular chrome dining chair viewed from the back. Area 3 is a mystery to me -- perhaps some sort of reflection/highlight from the back of the chair. Why the left side of the 'table' is clipped off a bit more than the left side of the 'chair' is, is a mystery. Perhaps Monica cut the photo like that to add interest and/or mystery when she was making the collage or maybe if they were both clipped straight off, it didn't look right to her. It's sort of like looking at clouds. Ciao -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2056 Re: Streaks on Tangram cover Greg Mon 3/24/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 6:24 am Subject: Re: Hyperborea cover Greg Heil----------> From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@cs.uwp.edu> Subject: Hyperborea cover> Date: Sunday, March 23, 1997 8:23 PM> > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Subject was: Re: Tone Colours> > Greg (no email address) wrote:> > > > Hello All,> > > > My first time writing here..> -snip-> > ... The 'Hyperborea' cover just confuses me--can anyone explain this> > one? ...> > Accoring to my dictionary, the Hyperboreans were what the Greeks called> unknown people from the frigid, far north, so presumably, Hyperborea> would be an immaginary artic country inhabited by Hyperboreans.> > I like this cover a lot but it does hold a bit of mystery for me. The> ice floes are obvious. The orange-yellow wavey circle conveys the> bright but cold sun in the artic quite effectively to me. The vertical> lines below.... maybe they symbolize the technological civilizations to> the south to emphasize how barren the artic is. Why the 'UPC' is '2001'> is the biggest mystery to me. Is this an allusion to Arthur Clarke's> '2001, A Space Odyssey'? I'd love to sit down with Monica and ask her> about this cover. Anybody else have some ideas here? Ciao -- Mark>Thanks for the info on the Hyperborea cover. I recently got the album, and at times, I can stare at the album cover in real confusion! Being an art major, interpretations of the Tangerine Dream covers would be a major project in itself! #009;Anyway, I wonder what the actual barcode stands for.. maybe 2001 signafies a date or event that is important to the fantastic world of the Hyperboreans.. hmmm... something about the orange wavy circle section and date might have something in common.. are we looking at the future through a port-hole as the cover might symbolize? I could go on and on :)Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 6:30 am Subject: Re: Streaks on Tangram cover > > I've separated the areas a little to make them more identifiable as they> overlap on the cover. Areas 1 & 2 look like highlights from the rounded> corner of a chome dining table and half of the top of a tubular chrome> dining chair viewed from the back. Area 3 is a mystery to me -- perhaps> some sort of reflection/highlight from the back of the chair. Why the> left side of the 'table' is clipped off a bit more than the left side of> the 'chair' is, is a mystery. Perhaps Monica cut the photo like that to> add interest and/or mystery when she was making the collage or maybe if> they were both clipped straight off, it didn't look right to her.> > It's sort of like looking at clouds. Ciao -- Mark> ------- Did I hear collage? or maybe just a puzzle... Tangram? Isn't that like a geometric puzzle?hmm... Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 7:49 am Subject: Making a tangram and making puzzles from it. Really-From: Mark Filipak Subject was: Re: Streaks on Tangram cover Greg Heil wrote: > > ------- Did I hear collage? or maybe just a puzzle... Tangram? Isn't > that like a geometric puzzle? Not really a puzzle. A tangram is a sort of geometry/creative 'game' from which a multitude of 'puzzles' can be made. The puzzle part can be stated this way: 'How do you make this (profile of an object made from a rearranged tangram) from this (tangram pieces)'. Making a tangram. Take a square piece of paper and cut as shown below into 7 pieces. (Note: due to the limitations of texipix, this does not quite look square; also, you *must* use fixed spaced font or this is a mess.) _________________________________________________ | . . | | . . | | . . | | . . | | . . | | . . | | .. . . . . . . .. | | . . . | | . . . | | . . . | | . . . | | . . . | |. . . | | . . . | | . . . | | . . . | | . . . | | . . . | | . . | | . . | | . . | | . . | | . . | | . . | |_________________________________________________| Once cut apart, an amazing number of figures can be created with the tangram pieces (rabbits, faces, birds, et cetera). The puzzle part is: once shown just the filled-in profile of a figure, try to reproduce it using the tangram pieces -- it gets sort of like an IQ test, especially if it's done as a timed test. For anyone who's interested, I have a Windows shareware tangram creator/editor I could send you. Bye -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 10:30 am Subject: Re: Tangram cover Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' I have both the original vinyl copy of Tangram and the Virgin 'standard' release. Why-oh-why-oh-why didn't Virgin include the _internal_ sleeve artwork on the CD ? For those who haven't seen it (most of this list, I would imagine), it consists of a mirrored tangram puzzle out in a snowy forest. I seem to recall that Jerome's mugshot got its customary appearance in there somewhere, too. For me, the internal artwork sums up the visual feel (is that an oxymoron ???) of the album way better than the nondescript cover. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2059 Re: Tangram cover Mark Filipak Mon 3/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 12:03 pm Subject: Re: Tangram cover Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > I have both the original vinyl copy of Tangram and the Virgin > 'standard' release. Why-oh-why-oh-why didn't Virgin include the > _internal_ sleeve artwork on the CD ? For those who haven't seen it > (most of this list, I would imagine), it consists of a mirrored > tangram puzzle out in a snowy forest. I seem to recall that > Jerome's mugshot got its customary appearance in there somewhere, > too. > > For me, the internal artwork sums up the visual feel (is that > an oxymoron ???) of the album way better than the nondescript > cover. By all means, give us your thoughts, Grant. Here's someone else who you could give your thoughts to, also. Wayne Shevlin He's a Virgin exec in the UK. :-) Just makin trouble -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Feb 1, 1997 12:25 pm Subject: Slightly off topic: Stockhausen Really-From: Tom Coppens <<< No Message Collected >>> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #869 Really-From: spride@c... (Simon Pride) In-Reply-To: <199703240805.CAA19850@c...> > Subject: Thief SBM typos > > Really-From: Rich Maggio > > Well, I finally received my copy of Thief. As a matter of fact, > I am listening to it right now. It's pretty good - I need to listen > to it a few more times to make a comprehensive commentary. > > The copy that I have is made in Holland. Two interesting observations > about the CD - 1) Peter Baumann is listed as one of the musicians and > 2) the title on the spine of the jewel case is 'Thief - Tangerine > Dream Live'. > > What is wrong with these people? Doesn't anything get proofread? > Has anyone else noticed these mistakes on the SBM of Thief? Same here on the UK release. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 1:52 pm Subject: Good news about those 'hi' people Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' I just sent a private email to those two people who sent us their little 'prayers': both bounced with meaages to the effect that their disk quota were exceeded. Looks like we were not the only one pested by that spamming and apparently a great many other people felt compelled to respond in kind. I hope that got the message -- even if WE didn't get theirs! ;-) TD content: I was listening to 'Siver Scale' and to 'Sun gate' lately (I sometime do thigs like that: listening to two unrealted tracks as a function of my mood). Thogh those tracks were recoreded at different times (Scale is 1982, Gate in 1988) and with different personel, one thing remains evident: Froese is a genius. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 2:49 pm Subject: Wavelength Really-From: GRHail@a... > Some mute aliens (who look suspiciously like children in body stockings and baldcaps) escape from the lab of the Evil Government Scientists (tm) and have to make their way back to the mothership pickup point, with some help from the Altruistic Heroes (tm) while being pursued by the relentless Evil Government Agents (tm). Yawn. No Reeses Pieces. > This understates how truly awful this movie is. Half of it seems set in the flatbed of a pickup truck. Its sole innovation is that the presence of the aliens themselves is lethel to people so that the Truly Altruistic Heroes (tm, c, r) sacrifice their lives or health to help the aliens. Not on the level of Plan 9 From Outer Space, Wavelength has some early (and obvious) computer graphics, now attainable by any nine-year-old with a 3D modeler. -------------------------------------------------- Guy Hail grhail@a... -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- This is the one, real world where ideas are put into practice. What happens is the true meaning of those ideas, regardless of what theory says -------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 10918 Re: Wavelength Hammer1612@a... Sun 2/8/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: TD Article Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... Hello all, The cover story of April's _Mojo_ magazine is 'Achtung, Baby! Kraftwerk, Can and the Return of the Krautrockers'. Amongst the numerous articles is one on TD, which contains a really magnificent photo of the band playing at Coventry Cathedral. Glynn Kent: I posted Sound on Stage and the other stuff today. Sorry for the delay. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2440 Re: TD Article K.E Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2446 Re: PUMA X Benjamin J Dunkle Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 4:52 pm Subject: Mr. Bungle Really-From: feldon@n... I just sat down and heard some sections from their release 'Disco Valente'. There is definately some Pink-Years ambient sounding stuff. There are some other parts that are really wierd carnival kiddie stuff, but the ambient sections definately touch back to '69-'75 TD. Again, I've only heard short sections, so I don't know how good the whole thing is, but just thought I'd mention it. Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2073 Re: Mr. Bungle Matt Williams Mon 3/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 25, 1997 12:10 am Subject: Mojo magazine Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) >Hello all, > >The cover story of April's _Mojo_ magazine is >'Achtung, Baby! Kraftwerk, Can and the Return >of the Krautrockers'. Amongst the numerous articles >is one on TD, which contains a really magnificent >photo of the band playing at Coventry Cathedral. > >Glynn > I've read this article. It is wonderful. Not just the TD bit, but all of it! It also puts this music movement into a political context. The article about Can was very amusing, and I have to admit that I'm a big fan of them. Jaki Liebezeit - this is a drummer Jerome could look up to! armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 9:09 am Subject: Re: hi Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Sun, 23 Mar 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: lightning500@m... > > > Hello! I wanted to share something very important. > You know each of us only has one life to live. > We need to make decisions now that will determine our future. > The God of heaven sent his only Son to this earth > to let us have a way to be right with God, > have God's help in this life and one day be in heaven > with God. There in heaven is peace, rest, love and joy. > We definitely don't want to go to the other place called hell. > In hell, there is darkness, thirst, torment and weeping and > gnashing of teeth. So how can we enjoy God's blessing now > and be in heaven? Simple, receive Jesus Christ as Savior. > It says that if we will confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus > and believe in our heart that God raised him from the dead > we will be saved. We can simply pray: Heavenly Father, > forgive me of my sins and I now confess Jesus Christ > as the Lord of my life and I believe in my heart > (with everything in me) that you raised Jesus Christ > from the dead. The Word of God (the Bible) says that you > are now saved! You are now a child of God, transferred > from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light! > Jesus is now your Good Shepherd, taking care of you and > helping you! > Thanks for reading and choosing life. Hope to hear from you soon! > PLEASE STOP THAT M.F. ! Rainer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 2:11 pm Subject: Kraftwerk/trax Daydream and Moorland??? Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... Dreamers recently got a taped copy of a couple of tracks from Rare Tracks and was wondering what the source for the tracks Moorland and Daydream are--exactly why are they rare? And are they in fact Tangerine Dream tracks? Anyone heard Organisation's [Kraftwerk's] Tone Float [sp?]?-- Seems more like Prog. Rock to me--acoustic instruments--flute and such. Where are the ubiquitous synthesizers? Can't really say they're particularly COLD on that one. You can count me in as one of those that like's TD and Kraftwerk, but hey I like Electronic Meditation, too. HHHmmm, why do I feel like I just went to confession or an Electronic Music Anonymous meeting? --teiwaz Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2069 Kraftwerk/trax Daydream and Moorland??? teiwazbarana@u... Mon 3/24/1997 2 KB 2076 Re: Daydream and Moorland??? dbrewer@a... Tue 3/25/1997 3 KB 2084 Re: Kraftwerk/trax Daydream and Moorland??? MCINTYRE@p... Tue 3/25/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 2:11 pm Subject: Kraftwerk/trax Daydream and Moorland??? Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... Dreamers recently got a taped copy of a couple of tracks from Rare Tracks and was wondering what the source for the tracks Moorland and Daydream are--exactly why are they rare? And are they in fact Tangerine Dream tracks? Anyone heard Organisation's [Kraftwerk's] Tone Float [sp?]?-- Seems more like Prog. Rock to me--acoustic instruments--flute and such. Where are the ubiquitous synthesizers? Can't really say they're particularly COLD on that one. You can count me in as one of those that like's TD and Kraftwerk, but hey I like Electronic Meditation, too. HHHmmm, why do I feel like I just went to confession or a Electronic Music Anonymous meeting? --teiwaz From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 9:20 pm Subject: Re: Berlin concert almost sold out! Really-From: Gary Struhlik At 02:03 23.03.97 -0600, you wrote: >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 07:58:28 -0500 >Subject: > >Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > >This week I finally saw a poster in Berlin advertising the upcoming >show...what a great sight! >It has been so long ago that Tangerine Dream >posters were plastered all over the place here... > Indeed, I thing it was 1982 !? Where can I find the posters in Berlin ? Gary S. /==============================================================\ |My new eMail address is gary.struhlik@b... | |Please use this eMail address only !!! | |Meine neue eMail Adresse lautet gary.struhlik@b... | |Bitte benutzen Sie nur diese eMail Adresse !!! | \==============================================================/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2072 Re: Berlin concert almost sold out! Sean Montgomery Mon 3/24/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 24, 1997 9:26 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #868 Really-From: Gary Struhlik At 02:03 23.03.97 -0600, you wrote: >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 07:58:28 -0500 >Subject: > >Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > >This week I finally saw a poster in Berlin advertising the upcoming >show...what a great sight! >It has been so long ago that Tangerine Dream >posters were plastered all over the place here... > Indeed, I think (not 'thing', sorry !) it was 1982 !? Where can I find the posters in Berlin ? Gary S. /==============================================================\ |My new eMail address is gary.struhlik@b... | |Please use this eMail address only !!! | |Meine neue eMail Adresse lautet gary.struhlik@b... | |Bitte benutzen Sie nur diese eMail Adresse !!! | \==============================================================/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 23, 1997 11:09 am Subject: Re: Berlin concert almost sold out! Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >It has been so long ago that Tangerine Dream > >posters were plastered all over the place here... > > > > Indeed, I thing it was 1982 !? Don't forget about the 'Livemiles' show of 1987! Actually, I think I still have a poster from that show kicking around somewhere. Anyone remember the TDIFC's ill-fated association with Filmhaus Munchen? Ha ha! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Mr. Bungle Really-From: Matt Williams >Really-From: feldon@n... >I just sat down and heard some sections from their release 'Disco Valente'. >There is definately some Pink-Years ambient sounding stuff. There are some >other parts that are really wierd carnival kiddie stuff, but the ambient >sections definately touch back to '69-'75 TD. >Again, I've only heard short sections, so I don't know how good the whole >thing is, but just thought I'd mention it. >Morgan >feldon@n... Wow I never thought anyone else on this list would be into Mr Bungle..Disco Volante is in fact their second album,they have another album which was just titled 'Mr Bungle'.....I never really thought of TD or indeed Pink Floyd when I listend to 'Disco Volante'....I just thought it was a fresh but somewhat weird album....'Mr Bungle' isn't as experimental as DV but it is still a cool album. In case anyone is interested 'Mr Bungle' is in fact fronted by the singer of 'Faith No More' Mike Patton......I wouldn't really recommend it unless your really into weird music,I certainly havn't heard anything like Mr Bungle before!!! Matt........ MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Simmering (Down?) from the 'hi' Spam Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: hi >Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:09:44 +0100 (MET) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Rainer Rutka > >> Really-From: lightning500@m... >> >> [...] The God of heaven sent his only Son to this earth [...] > >PLEASE STOP THAT M.F. ! > > Rainer Gee thanks, Rainer, for forwarding the entire *&%^#$@! message so we all get to see it all over again! :( Argggghhhhh! :( ;) :) Actually I've got a lengthy post from a New Age list that purports to be a channeled communication from the big J himself. Once lightning 500's mailbox clears out a bit, I'll e-mail this little wonder to him and see if he acts like a dog chasing his tail trying to figure out if the communique is for real or yet one more of 'Satan's Lies'tm. Heh. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2083 Re: Simmering (Down?) from the 'hi' Spam Dave Lane Tue 3/25/1997 2 KB 2126 Re: Simmering (Down?) from the 'hi' Spam Rainer Rutka Thu 3/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Mr. Bungle.Opps,sorry Really-From: Matt Williams Opps sorry,after reading your msg again I realised you didn't even mention Pink Floyd...I really should buy some glasses! Matt.... >>I just sat down and heard some sections from their release 'Disco Valente'. >>There is definately some Pink-Years ambient sounding stuff. There are some >>other parts that are really wierd carnival kiddie stuff, but the ambient >>sections definately touch back to '69-'75 TD. >>Again, I've only heard short sections, so I don't know how good the whole >>thing is, but just thought I'd mention it. >>Morgan >>feldon@n... > Wow I never thought anyone else on this list would be into Mr Bungle..Disco >Volante is in fact their second album,they have another album which was just >titled 'Mr Bungle'.....I never really thought of TD or indeed Pink Floyd when >I listend to 'Disco Volante'....I just thought it was a fresh but somewhat >weird album....'Mr Bungle' isn't as experimental as DV but it is still a cool >album. > In case anyone is interested 'Mr Bungle' is in fact fronted by the singer of >'Faith No More' Mike Patton......I wouldn't really recommend it unless your >really into weird music,I certainly havn't heard anything like Mr Bungle >before!!! > Matt........ > MATTHEW WILLIAMS > EMAIL: matt@s... > 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the >things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 25, 1997 12:16 am Subject: Re: Daydream and Moorland??? Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: teiwazbarana@u... > > recently got a taped copy of a couple of tracks from Rare Tracks and > was wondering what the source for the tracks Moorland and Daydream > are--exactly why are they rare? And are they in fact Tangerine Dream tracks? > Those tracks are from the second (I think) TATORT single (_Miriam_?), that came out around 1984 (I think again). And yes, they are TD tracks. They're rare because the single's been out of print for a long time, and has never been officially issued on CD (yet). I think these and other tracks should appear beside Das Machden... on that European tour CD. But that probably won't happen... :-( I hope I can get a copy of that disc after the tour. (I hope, I hope...) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: More Good news about those 'hi' people Really-From: Neal McAuley I got this response from the Postmaster at IBM.net > > This is the latest status on your incident... > If you have any concerns, please call one of the numbers in Web page: > (http://www.ibm.net/helpdesk.html)... with the following information... > CSS==> Incident number 0162424 for account: UNKNOWN . > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- >==> CSS UPDATE ... 19970323 08:12:16 ... ( ZUNKNOWN ) >CSS: UNKNOWN/0162424 : RESLV > NEALMCA@C... >Subject: SPAMMER ALERT > >Thank you for writing. This account has been cancelled. >PostMaster@i... > I'm still waiting for a response from the folks at MCI2000... Neal :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2082 Re: More Good news about those 'hi' people Plumer, Scott Tue 3/25/1997 3 KB 2087 NOT TD - SynthL - does it exist? Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 3/25/1997 2 KB 2118 Encyclopedia of Prog Rock Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 3/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 25, 1997 9:55 am Subject: Re: Froese/dali etc. Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > I wrote a very accurate story about the history > of TD, beginning in 1965 and how they met Dali. > And it's not yet come up in the mailing list. > Come on guys (Majordomo?), are you keeping > it away from the list or what?! > I will not type it again! > > Marcel Engels > fsp@p... Hi Marcel. I assume this would be in the archives. Do you remember when you posted it and the subject line? Thanks -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2080 Re: Froese/dali etc. Marcel Engels Tue 3/25/1997 7 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 25, 1997 11:13 am Subject: Is TD more than just Edgar ? Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' I would say whole-heartedly; 'Yes !' Just about everything that comes out of the TD publicity machine seems to suggest that TD is purely the result of Edgar's ideas and beliefs. However, I feel that saying things like this is a huge insult to all the past members of TD. Does Edgar choose new members of the band based on his future vision of the path the music will take, or does he just do what everyone else does - jam with people and find out if you have common ground that would help you work together for mutual benefit ? As an example of how the other band members can make greater contributions than Edgar, I recall that it was actually Chris Franke who introduced Edgar to the more experimental side of music, such as Cage and Stockhausen. Edgar, up to that point, had never looked beyond Pink Floyd and Jimi Hendrix as the last word in experimental music. The solo works of past members also show just how much of their input was responsible for the TD sound of a certain era. Compare Baumann's solo works to TD circa Sorcerer. My point ? Not really sure. I just start feeling the hackles rise whenever I hear TD referred to as Edgar's brainchild. He may have named the band, and been its only constant member, but his influence has ranged from 0 to 100% at different times. Franke, Schmoelling, Baumann, Haslinger, et al have all given 120% to making TD one of the greatest e-music bands of all time, and their influence has rubbed-off on Edgar too. Would he have made 'Stuntman' had he not met Chris Franke ? I don't think so. Tangerine Dream - a bunch of people invited by Edgar to get together and make great music. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2091 Re: Is TD more than just Edgar ? gary.cresswell1@v... Tue 3/25/1997 3 KB 2099 Re: Is TD more than just Edgar ? Mark Filipak Wed 3/26/1997 6 KB 2123 Re: Is TD more than just Edgar ? Grant Middleton Thu 3/27/1997 5 KB 2141 Re: Is TD more than just Edgar ? John Christian Fri 3/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 25, 1997 1:18 pm Subject: Re: Froese/dali etc. >> I wrote a very accurate story about the history >> of TD, beginning in 1965 and how they met Dali. >> And it's not yet come up in the mailing list. >> Come on guys (Majordomo?), are you keeping >> it away from the list or what?! >> I will not type it again! Cool your jets Marcel, here it is: Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Froese was born in Tilsit in 1944 He studied painting and sculpture for 5 years. He had classical music training , but that quickly changed to rock 'n' roll/popmusic. This was in 1965. The first group ('65) in which Froese played was called The Ones. It was a conventionel rockgroup with gituar, bass, organ, drums and singing. Personel of The Ones: Detlef, Charlie, Edgar, Mick and Wilfried In 1966 their first single was: Lady Greengrass/Love of Mine Labelnr: 148593. In summer 1966 they had to play in Cadaques, Spain. There they met Salvador Dali. They played in his villa. Froese was really impressed by Dali's work. Dali's always said that everything is possible. Froese thought of the idea that everything could be possible in music too. In September 1967 Edgar formed Tangerine Dream with the following people: Edgar Froese - leadgituar Volker Hombach - flute and violin Lanse Hapshash - drums Kurt Herkenberg - bass Charlie Prince - vocals They started improvising with strange sounds (amplifying the violin and then feedback the thing etc). In March 1969 TD changed their personel. Edgar played with a bassplayer from The Netherlands and a drummer from Liverpool/UK. They only made a TV-soundtrack and nothing else. Then came Klaus Schulze and Conrad Schnitzler and the rest is history. (well we don't know half of it, but anyway). Marcel Engels fsp@pi.net From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Funny Noises 1997 Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... In view of TD's recent remixing activities, I though that a remix of the 'Funny Noises' list might be in order. After all, it's about two years since I last posted it, and I've had some more insights into this key TD topic :-) TANGERINE DREAM TOP 15 FUNNY NOISES - 1997 15. 'Wobbly saw' - White Clouds 14. 'I often did I often did...' - No Mans Land 13. 'Gongs in an aviary' - Tangent (final section) 12. 'Howling dogs in the desert' - Phaedra 11. 'Iron filings in a washing machine' - Catwalk 10. 'YOM!! YOM!!' - Catwalk 9. 'Extremely fast bald head slapping' - Poland 8. 'Oyoyoyoyoy' - Alchemy of the Heart 9. 'Do-wah do-wah do-wah' - Ricochet Part Two 8. 'Dodgy plumbing' - Coldwater Canyon 7. 'Werr-werr-wehhr' - Monolight, Dominion, Purple Waves 6. 'Lough-eim. Lough-eim' - Network 23 5. 'Te! te! te! Te! te! te!' - White Eagle 4. 'Chick-chickerchi-gah!' - Song of the Whale Part Two 3 'Fast German speech' - Mojave Plan 2. 'Fast German speech with 'dog sneeze' ending' - Ricochet Part One 1 'Hicha-hicha-hicha why-kah!' - Logos Part One Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2550 Funny Noises 1997 G.K.Naughton@i... Thu 4/10/1997 3 KB 2551 Re: Funny Noises 1997 Mark Edmonds Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB 2558 Re: Funny Noises 1997 Marcel Engels Thu 4/10/1997 2 KB 2560 Re: Funny Noises 1997 dbrewer@a... Thu 4/10/1997 3 KB 2569 Re: Funny Noises 1997 anunes@m... Fri 4/11/1997 2 KB 2572 Re: Funny Noises 1997 Greg Heil Fri 4/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 25, 1997 1:16 pm Subject: RE: More Good news about those 'hi' people >>Subject: SPAMMER ALERT >> >>Thank you for writing. This account has been cancelled. >>PostMaster@ibm.net Heh, heh. Let's see your god protect you now! Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2087 NOT TD - SynthL - does it exist? Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 3/25/1997 2 KB 2118 Encyclopedia of Prog Rock Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 3/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 25, 1997 1:36 pm Subject: Re: Simmering (Down?) from the 'hi' Spam Really-From: 'Dave Lane' Steven Feldman wrote > >Really-From: Rainer Rutka > >> Really-From: lightning500@m... > >> > >> [...] The God of heaven sent his only Son to this earth [...] > >PLEASE STOP THAT M.F. ! > > Rainer > Gee thanks, Rainer, for forwarding the entire *&%^^#$@! message > so we all get to see it all over again! :( Argggghhhhh! :( ;) :) > Actually I've got a lengthy post from a New Age list that purports > to be a channeled communication from the big J himself. Jerome? Jarre? --Dave Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2126 Re: Simmering (Down?) from the 'hi' Spam Rainer Rutka Thu 3/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 25, 1997 3:24 pm Subject: RE: Kraftwerk/trax Daydream and Moorland??? Really-From: MCINTYRE@p... >Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... >Anyone heard Organisation's [Kraftwerk's] Tone Float [sp?]?-- Seems >more like Prog. Rock to me--acoustic instruments--flute and such. Where >are the ubiquitous synthesizers? Can't really say they're particularly >COLD on that one. You can count me in as one of those that like's TD >and Kraftwerk, but hey I like Electronic Meditation, too. HHHmmm, why do >I feel like I just went to confession or an Electronic Music Anonymous >meeting? Not all electronic music bands could afford synthesizers in the beginning. Hence _Tone Floats_ use of acoustic instruments. Ultravox is another example: they didn't get their first synth until their second album. Some of the best electronic music was made without synthesizers. But boy do synthesizers make electronic music easier. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 25, 1997 5:56 pm Subject: Re: Froese/dali etc./Orange Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' I didn't send this mail. It was about two months ago when it was shown on this list. By the way my jets are never hot. I was suprised that you still had this story. I suppose everything we write will be kept in a safe place. Great. Orange from France are not ready to be picked yet. Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 25, 1997 4:27 pm Subject: Re: Network 388/Tone Colours At 13:06 97·03·23 GMT, you wrote: >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) >What colour or colours do TD albums, or any album for that matter, bring to >mind and does that 'colour' change with the activitity of the listener? >Just something which popped up in a conversation the other day when we were >discussing if album graphics help plant ideas in the listeners head. To me, >Underwater Sunlight has a 'bluey' feel. 'Hyperborea' is yellow. 'Goblin >Club' is maroon. Food for thought? Tangram is red, IMHO 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 25, 1997 1:35 pm Subject: NOT TD - SynthL - does it exist? Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I think I saw a reference flash by about SynthL. Does it exist? Is it, as I guess, a list that discusses synthesizer music? Would appreciate replies. Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2118 Encyclopedia of Prog Rock Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 3/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 25, 1997 1:47 pm Subject: 3 Tier Dream and others... Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I have just acquired some new TD (new to me, anyway) from Ranjit. I would love to have some background information about them. 'Tangerine Dream' - VI 873772 '3 Tier Dream' & '3 Tier Dream On!' - CC 1744 & CC1755 Mystery Tracks Vol. II - 'Sol et Luna' Your help will be appreciated. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 25, 1997 7:12 pm Subject: Taveling to Dallas TX Really-From: jeffrey@i... Hi I will be in Dallax TX for the weekend of April 12th and was looking to find out where the good electronic music / used cd stores are? Good places to buy synths (preferablly used) and the best BBQ food I will ever have. Thanks for the info. Jeff From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Why Not Wide-Circulation Boots of CD-Rs? Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi Gang, It just occurred to me: why haven't any of the ltd. ed. CD-Rs been made into widely-distributed regular CD boots? For example, I don't think it's too easy to get ahold of DIGITAL MATRIX 70/90, RARE TRAX 1, or TRANSFORMATION right now . . . and it sure would be nice if *somebody* released the first disc from THREE TIER DREAM separately so people like me wouldn't have to pay for the other two if they're not in any hurry to hear live stuff from those two periods. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 5:42 am Subject: Re: Is TD more than just Edgar ? Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > I would say whole-heartedly; 'Yes !' > > Just about everything that comes out of the TD publicity > machine seems to suggest that TD is purely the result of > Edgar's ideas and beliefs. However, I feel that saying > things like this is a huge insult to all the past members > of TD. > > > > Tangerine Dream - a bunch of people invited by Edgar > to get together and make great music. > Couldn't agree more. For years T.D was Franke & Froese Plus the creative input of a.n.other. Now it appears to be just Edgar. Have you noticed how Froese/Froese are credited with composing 'Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal' (Shepards Bush CD) yet really this is no more than a mix of Froese,Franke and schmoelling compositions. Gaza From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 25, 1997 9:47 pm Subject: Re: Daydream and Moorland??? Really-From: 'Harri Ikonen' > Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > Those tracks are from the second (I think) TATORT single (_Miriam_?), > that came out around 1984 (I think again). And yes, they are TD tracks. > They're rare because the single's been out of print for a long time, and > has never been officially issued on CD (yet). Two minutes of 'Moorland' can be heard on the 'Wavelength' soundtrack. It's the first half of 'Alley Walk'. -- Harri Ikonen hikonen@m... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: NIGHTFLYERS Soundtrack (by Doug Timm): TD-esque Really-From: Steven Feldman People, I bought a used video the other day named NIGHTFLYERS, from 1987, which had a soundtrack very evocative of TD in places and Berlin School e-music, in general. The credits list the music's creator as Doug Timm and it is mentioned that the soundtrack is on Varese Sarabande. When I looked the movie up in the PSYCHOTRONIC ENCYCLOPEDIA OF FILM, the entry said that the director, Robert Collector, also directed RED HEAT (the one with Linda Blair, Silvia Kristal, and a TD soundtrack, not the one with Arnold Bicep-brain and Jim Belushi), so the fact that this Doug Timm soundtrack is TD-esque is probably not a coincidence. Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: 'Moorland': what a great track! Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Kraftwerk/trax Daydream and Moorland??? >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:11:03 >Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... > [...] >recently got a taped copy of a couple of tracks from Rare Tracks and >was wondering what the source for the tracks Moorland and Daydream >are--exactly why are they rare? And are they in fact Tangerine Dream >tracks? It was (after 'Das Madchen auf der Treppe') the second single from the German 'Tatort' show, and it's excellent, IMHO. Although both sides are really good, 'Moorland' is the breath-catcher: this is a really great track. It would fit in with the stuff on THE KEEP, with WHITE EAGLE, with RISKY BUSINESS, with KAMIKAZE 1989 . . . and more than anything else, it's sorta a cross between 'Snake Bath' (from KAMIKAZE 1989), 'Mothers of Rain' (from OPTICAL RACE), and . . . I can't quite put my finger on it: 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' (from CYCLONE) or TANGRAM, maybe? -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 12:24 am Subject: Good Night! Really-From: 'K.E' I know It`s far past my bedtime, so I tend to get silly, but I just wondered how 'Die-hard collectors' are making records of anything possible...so, why haven`t anybody suggested to make a record of the owners of the Ltd. Edition 'Shepherds Bush' CDS... ;-) Just joking... Good Night! Kent From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 1:15 pm Subject: D: Zeit - drawing first blood SInce no one seems to be saying anything about it, I guess I will. I listened to this last night after years and years of not hearing it. I must admit its a little more bearable now that I'm older and not as impatient, but I still stick to my original description: 'One note over four sides.' 3AS Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 8:59 pm Subject: D: Zeit Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) Hi, somebody complained nobody writes on 'Zeit'? Somebody said Zeit is 'one note over four Vinyl sides?' This may be right, but: why not? I won't go into argumentations saying Zeit is TD's best album, and thereby making pa and son Froese smile... but everybody on this list who knows me also knows how much I love the Alpha Centauri/Zeit/Atem triptichon (is this an english word?). I can get a bit tired over Nebulous Dawn - I don't listen to this piece as much as to the other three. It needs some kind of setting or mood - at night, of course, in absolute silence (I always had for granted when I lived on the countryside in Germany, right at the Belgium border where there is nothing but forest and swamp), and then, preferably at full moon, listening to Zeit was a wonderful trip. No, I did not take any drugs - not even nicotine or alcohol. The music was the drug. The cello and organ layers in BoLP do have the most obvious *time*ing, whereas in the last track, there does not seem to be much timeing at all - but there is! the ocasional female voice kind of sound and the melody in the background bass don't come at random. You're lost in the background and all those little beautiful tiny noises. It is a great album, but definetly not something to play when you're doing something else, like washing dishes etc., or when it is bright. Anything you do or can see during listening distracts too much from 'Zeit'. Zeit is really something to enjoy. The reworks on Dream Roots collection or Book of Dreams destroy all that completly. Edgar may be on distance to this early works, and he may have had completely different intentions with it, but I don't care at all (just like he doesn't care about fans) - I simply enjoy it. Armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2146 D: Zeit Boneheads1@a... Sat 3/29/1997 3 KB 2160 Re: D: Zeit Janne Salmijaervi Sun 3/30/1997 3 KB 2198 Re: D: Zeit PhilPDX@a... Tue 4/1/1997 2 KB 17912 D: Zeit PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Mon 9/20/1999 2 KB 17992 D: Zeit Armin Theissen Wed 9/22/1999 2 KB 18011 Re: D: Zeit PNaunton@xxx.xxx Thu 9/23/1999 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 4:23 am Subject: Poland versions Really-From: feldon@n... This has probably already been stated on the list, but there appear to be two versions of the Relativity release of Poland 2CD. I am holding two copies and it appears that there is a 'blue' release which has Rarebird separated out as a separate track and a 'brown' release which has Tangent and Rarebird combined as one track. Tangerine Dream Tangerine Dream Poland Poland (written in blue letters) (written in brown letters) disc 1: Poland 22:29 disc 1: Poland 22:29 Tangent 15:50 Tangent 19:59 Rarebird 4:09 disc 2: Barbakane 18:00 disc 2: Barbakane 18:00 Horizon 21:07 Horizon 21:07 catalog: 88561-8045-2 catalog: 88561-8045-2 Note that 'Rarebird' isn't stated anywhere on/in the jewel case. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 7:22 am Subject: Re: Is TD more than just Edgar ? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > I would say whole-heartedly; 'Yes !' > > Just about everything that comes out of the TD publicity > machine seems to suggest that TD is purely the result of > Edgar's ideas and beliefs. However, I feel that saying > things like this is a huge insult to all the past members > of TD. It would be an insult to past members if Edgar took all the credit. But I've never heard of him doing that. What has come out of the 'TD publicity machine' that would lead you to make this outrageous statement? > Does Edgar choose new members of the band based on his > future vision of the path the music will take, or does > he just do what everyone else does - jam with people > and find out if you have common ground that would help > you work together for mutual benefit ? Lots of people can work together, short term, but the founder of a band most definitely chooses new members based on musical philosophy. So the answer to your question I suppose is the first alternative: 'based on his future vision'. > As an example of how the other band members can make > greater contributions than Edgar, I recall that it was > actually Chris Franke who introduced Edgar to the more > experimental side of music, such as Cage and Stockhausen. > Edgar, up to that point, had never looked beyond Pink > Floyd and Jimi Hendrix as the last word in experimental > music. Another outrageous statement. Got anything to back this up Grant? > The solo works of past members also show just how much > of their input was responsible for the TD sound of a > certain era. Compare Baumann's solo works to TD circa > Sorcerer. Of course. A band is (usually greater than) the sum of it's parts. I miss Peter's input when I listen to 'Green Desert', but it's still a great album. As far as Baumann's solo work, 'Romance 76' is a classic and 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' is also very good, but what has he done in the last 15 years and what does any of that have to do with Edgar? What's the point? > My point ? Not really sure. I just start feeling the > hackles rise whenever I hear TD referred to as Edgar's > brainchild. ... Well, it is. He created the band to be an experimental band. It has evolved since 'Electronic Meditation', but who do you think bears the major responsibility for that change if not Edgar? > ... He may have named the band, and been its > only constant member, but his influence has ranged from > 0 to 100% at different times. ... Yet one more outrageous statement. When has Edgar's influence been 0%? > ... Franke, Schmoelling, > Baumann, Haslinger, et al have all given 120% to > making TD one of the greatest e-music bands of all time, > and their influence has rubbed-off on Edgar too. No-one is going to dispute that CF, PB, JS, and PH (to mention just the major 4) have made important contributions to TD. And no rational person is going to belittle those contributions or argue that they didn't help chart the future direction of the band -- Edgar didn't 'employ' them in some sort of musical sweatshop and tell them 'this is how this is played' or 'shut up and do your work'. But you imply that their contributions were each larger than Edgar's -- in fact larger than the total (120%?). If the only thing that keeps you a TD fan is the Baumann era or the Schmoelling era or the Haslinger era, then fine. > ... Would > he have made 'Stuntman' had he not met Chris Franke ? > I don't think so. How can you say this? You haven't a clue. > Tangerine Dream - a bunch of people invited by Edgar > to get together and make great music. Agreed. Invited by Edgar into his band. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 10:05 am Subject: Re: Tone Colours Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > David J. Hughes wrote: > > > What colour or colours do TD albums, or any album for that matter, > > bring to mind... I often find that the album cover influences my perception of the 'colour' of the music. Trivial examples are :- Rubycon Turquoise Tangram Red However, I find that the frequencies of certain sounds always suggest particular colours. For instance :- Bass drum Lumpy black mounds Analogue bass sequencer Black/Dark red Synth strings Gold/Yellow Brass Shiny gold Synth brass Orange/Red Cymbals/Snare Cloudy white (white noise ?) Sweeping VCS3 sounds Pale yellow/white Mellotron strings Green/Blue (perhaps a hangover from Rubycon) I also see shapes in certain sounds, but I think that may be due to my knowledge of analogue synths with their highly geometric waveforms and transients. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2115 Re: Tone Colours Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 3/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 4:40 pm Subject: mystery tracks Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > >I have just acquired some new TD (new to me, anyway) from Ranjit. >I would love to have some background information about them. > >'Tangerine Dream' - VI 873772 >'3 Tier Dream' & '3 Tier Dream On!' - CC 1744 & CC1755 >Mystery Tracks Vol. II - 'Sol et Luna' > >Your help will be appreciated. > >Andrew > Hi, I'm a bit confused: isn't Mystery Tracks Vol. I called 'Sol et Luna', and not Mystery Tracks Vol. II? I've got both (found them in Belfast last week). Sol et Luna is the one with this wonderful live piece from 1971, right? Great track! Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2114 Re: mystery tracks Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 3/27/1997 4 KB 2124 mystery tracks Armin Theissen Thu 3/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 9:42 am Subject: Re: NOT TD - SynthL - does it exist? Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > I think I saw a reference flash by about SynthL. Does it exist? Is > it, as I guess, a list that discusses synthesizer music? SynthL, as I recall, is actually a discussion of synths and electronic music hardware. There is a set method of subscribing to a xxxxL mailing list, but I can't remember what it is. Sorry. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2129 NOT TD - SynthL - does it exist? Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 3/27/1997 2 KB 2134 Re: NOT TD - SynthL - does it exist? Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 3/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 4:41 pm Subject: synths Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > >Not all electronic music bands could afford synthesizers in the beginning. >Hence _Tone Floats_ use of acoustic instruments. Ultravox is another >example: they didn't get their first synth until their second album. Some >of the best electronic music was made without synthesizers. But boy do >synthesizers make electronic music easier. (-8 > >John McIntyre >Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept >Michigan State University >mcintyre@p... > but in the first place, they did not intend to do electronic music at all! (at least TD). In these days in germany - end 60s - all these Krautrockers wanted to do a completely new kind of music, very radically. It was just a coincidence that synthesizers came at the same time, which were quite a nice tool for new music. Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32932 synths Admin Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB 32933 Re: synths Eric Williamson Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB 32946 Re: synths RJF Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB 32935 Re: synths mars103nl Mon 3/25/2002 2 KB 32936 Re: synths Admin Mon 3/25/2002 4 KB 32937 Re: synths Admin Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB 32947 Re: synths Matthew Stringer Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB 32949 Re: synths RJF Mon 3/25/2002 3 KB 32952 Re: synths Administrator for kay-net.com Mon 3/25/2002 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 1:50 pm Subject: Motheres of Rain/Moorland sounds like... Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... Dreamers >Really-From: Steven Feldman it's sorta a cross between 'Snake Bath' (from KAMIKAZE 1989), 'Mothers of Rain' (from OPTICAL RACE), and . . . I can't quite put my finger on it: 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' (from CYCLONE)or TANGRAM, maybe?< Uh-oh, Mothers of Rain. Everytime I hear that track I flashback (pun intended) to the TD show in Berkeley where they opened with this and a friend of mine gets thrown out of the show for taping--we've got that on tape. The sound is incredible--would have been great--anyone else tape this show and not get thrown out? At least we got Andy Summers on tape--has J. Coltrane's Naima and Ravel's Bolero. --teiwaz From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 9:28 pm Subject: OR track title error? There's a track on OR called 'Turning Off the Wheel.' Shouldn't it be 'Turning _OF_ the Wheel'? Is it like this on the CD's? I have only the LP. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2107 Re: OR track title error? Magnus Danielson Wed 3/26/1997 2 KB 2108 Re: OR track title error? Mark Filipak Wed 3/26/1997 2 KB 2110 Re: OR track title error? Francisco Salgado C. Thu 3/27/1997 2 KB 2127 Re: OR track title error? Plumer, Scott Thu 3/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 9:58 pm Subject: Poland 2CD Really-From: feldon@n... Hope I didn't confuse anyone before. What I meant is that the 'blue' release of Poland 2CD has three tracks on disc one but they aren't labeled as such ANYWHERE, including the disc itself. Sorry, Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 10:22 pm Subject: Re: OR track title error? Really-From: Magnus Danielson >>>>> 'tml' == tadream mailing list writes: tml> There's a track on OR called 'Turning Off the Wheel.' Shouldn't it be tml> 'Turning _OF_ the Wheel'? Is it like this on the CD's? I have only the tml> LP. The CD cover of my Optical Race has 'Turning Off The Wheel' on it, it is probably an original typo. I have never reflected over that... Cheers, Magnus From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 10:54 pm Subject: Re: OR track title error? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > There's a track on OR called 'Turning Off the Wheel.' Shouldn't it be > 'Turning _OF_ the Wheel'? Is it like this on the CD's? I have only the > LP. > > Scott The disc I have is [1988] Private (US): 2042-2-P. It says 'Turning Off the Wheel' on both the disc itself and the backpaper. Your LP says 'Turning Of the Wheel', eh? I only know of one LP: [1988] Private (US): 2042-1-P. Is this what you have? -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 12:00 am Subject: RE CYCLONE , SBM Edition and personal things Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' A couple of days ago I got the Super bit mapping edition of Cyclone. I had it on vinyl and on normal edition CD. Since there are many voices agaisnt this work, that even made Edgar to forget it when he worked on Tangets, it seems Cyclone is a kind of damned work. A black legend so injustified that I would like to act as a defender and speak on it's favour. The Vinyl edition came to me back in 1980. I remember going to a music store with a friend very found of Genesis, Mario, some forgotten day downtown Caracas ( Centro Comercial Chacaito). He bougth Cyclone and Ricochet bacause he has heard of that famous and strage german band by me ( I had, at the time, only a cassette tape recorded with Stratosfear). That day I bougth Force Majeure that instantly caught me with it's magic guitar and other goodies. Mario didn't like Ricochet and Cyclone though. Days later he told me those to be too much repetitive and booring, so I bougth them... Well, ejem !, I promesed him to pay those albums later, because I had very few money at that moment in my pocket. Well, I never pay him bacause my company moved me to another city and I couldn't see Mario after that so I owe him the money yet. Now I realize I had not seen him since then, 17 years ago !!!) Well I liked Ricochet AND Cyclone at once. BENT COLD SIDEWALK ( 3AS) OH!! this voice comming from this misterous atmosphere full of echoes!. then comes the song, unconventional, very different. A german voice trying to speak english, the foreing accent giving it more interest... Then, after that, those synths, the use of flutes blending so well so well with the electronic rythms and sequences.. All of it full of echoes, very peacefull... Then final part ( comming that song again) closing it. RISING RUNNING MISSED BY ENDLESS SENDER ( 4AS) Another interesting song ideed. Better blending of synths and voice. Really unconventional tune, this and the german-accent of the singer lead to rejecting it to many people; but opening the ears ( of mind) you see the beauty of the song. Even if you don't like that voice, you might concentrate on music, fantastic mellotron sounds, good sequences, good echoeic sonic atmosphere. MADRIGAL MERIDIAN (5AS) No voices, plenty of sounds and textures. Really a classic piece of TD of that time. A fantastic dialogue between the instruments. I could notice the use of drums in a conventional way at times, but the fantastic sequences and the many layers of sounds fading in and out on a frantic rythm, the use of unconventional tonalities ( see the use of violin in a very musslim-like way) makes thie piece one of the best pieces of that time (and of TD). The dialog fade-out is fantastic, with that great guitar sound( las Pauls, or is iot a guitar synth ?) comming majestic, taking the leed joined a bit later by the piccolo while synths remain at the background, but still drifting, miving, talking ... then the solo of violin...I love this ending ! Overall I give Cyclone a well earned 4 AS. SOME TECH NOTES OF THE SBM EDITION On the positive side... This edition has greatly improved Cyclone's sound. On the normal edition CD noise is noticeable from the very beginning. On this edition there is no perception of noise, and sound is richer, trebble more difined, atmosphere more 3D-like, better bass, less distortion. Mistakes in this SBM editions are well known, but here it goes to big proportions since they forgot to include Klaus Krieger on the credits of this music. Why didn't simply use the original CD back cover where credits are correctly stated I dont know. On this SBM edition Krieger's contribution and instruments are simply absent; an unforgivable mistake, no doubt, being this the 'definitive edition'. Anyway, I strongly recommend those who didn't have bougth this work yet to go and llok for the SBM edition since it's a big improvement in sound quality over the classical edition. P.D. What I wrote about this music is only a glimse of my inner thougths.I whished I could express myself in inglish the way I manage to do in spanish to be more precise and make my ideas clearer to you, but, I hope nevertheless you'll understand it enouth. regards Francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2111 Re: RE CYCLONE , SBM Edition and personal things Mark Filipak Thu 3/27/1997 3 KB 2119 Re: RE CYCLONE , SBM Edition and personal things Capel Martyn Thu 3/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 10:30 pm Subject: Re: OR track title error? Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > There's a track on OR called 'Turning Off the Wheel.' Shouldn't it be > 'Turning _OF_ the Wheel'? Is it like this on the CD's? I have only the > LP. couldn't it be Turning-off the wheel ? francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 12:46 am Subject: Re: RE CYCLONE , SBM Edition and personal things Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' -snip- > P.D. > What I wrote about this music is only a glimse of my inner thougths.I > whished I could express myself in inglish the way I manage to do in > spanish to be more precise and make my ideas clearer to you, but, I > hope nevertheless you'll understand it enouth. As always, your enthusiasm and powers of expression overcome any communication problem the might hinder understanding. I have looked for TAND 9 here in the US. Unfortunately, the TAND series appears not to be available here and to my knowledge, there is no other SBM of 'Cyclone'. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: TD and Sax over!! Really-From: Matt Williams Hi Everyone Just checked out the TD news web page,I don't know if I have made a mistake but it says TD have decided that they will no longer use sax and certain other instruments from now on.. The S.Bush concert was the last time we get to see Linda Spa....the European tour will have two new members....the two gutarists who were at the S.Bush gig won't be in the band either. It justs says that after a decade they want a change.....hmmm could be interestings days ahead...heres hoping they will play england again soon:) Matt MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 1:32 am Subject: Re: tadream digest problems ? Really-From: datta@c... (David Datta) Several people have inquired what happened with the list last week. Here is a list of digests from the last week or so: 32958 Mar 18 02:04 ./v15.n865 23256 Mar 19 02:05 ./v15.n866 32339 Mar 20 02:04 ./v15.n867 71766 Mar 23 02:03 ./v15.n868 36763 Mar 24 02:05 ./v15.n869 21065 Mar 25 02:03 ./v15.n870 23948 Mar 26 02:05 ./v15.n871 There were no digests on the 21st and 22nd because of power outages. Cs.uwp.edu was down those nights at digest generation time. The machine was up during the day so the digest from the 23rd contained all messages for the three nights. -Dave -- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 9:25 pm Subject: Re: mystery tracks Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:40 AM 3/26/97 GMT, you wrote: >Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) [....] >>'Tangerine Dream' - VI 873772 >>'3 Tier Dream' & '3 Tier Dream On!' - CC 1744 & CC1755 >>Mystery Tracks Vol. II - 'Sol et Luna' >> >> >>Andrew >> > >Hi, > >I'm a bit confused: isn't Mystery Tracks Vol. I called 'Sol et Luna', >and not Mystery Tracks Vol. II? I've got both (found them in >Belfast last week). Sol et Luna is the one with this wonderful >live piece from 1971, right? Great track! > > >Armin Theissen To front cover title is 'Sol et Luna.' The back cover says: 'Mystery Tracks Vol. II' The CD says: 'Mystery Tracks Vol 2' Here is the listing of the tracks: 1. Heartbreakers 2:34 2. Footbridge to Heaven 3:00 3. Twilight Painter 4:22 4. Gemini 3:42 5. Rain in New York City 3:30 6. Pastime 2:57 7. The Looser 3:26 8. Breathing in the Night away 2:31 9. Desire 5:40 10. Thorny affair 3:13 11. Daybreak 4:06 12. Alexander Square 6:19 13. Oriental Haze 3:57 14. Barull Blue 7:14 15. Chimes & Chains 4:39 16. Haunted heights 6:07 17. Oszilator Planet Concert 8:01 18. Dancing Grizzlies 1-11: 'Heartbreaker' Orig. Motion Picture Soundtrack P&C 1985 12: Special long version 13. Prev. unrel. track, not on any album. Alto Sax: LINDA SPA 14/15/16: Prev. unrel. taken of (sic!) 70/80 LP-BOX-SET 17: 'Music World Language' International Music Froum, Live-only at Ossiach Lake 1971 18: Excerpt of Edgar Froese's 1992 indexed interview ============================================================================ === So, is this a boot? Considering the spelling and poor English, I must surmize it is. That's OK with me since I already have almost all commercial main-stream TD. Did someone switch covers? Armin, you are the expert: should I ask Ranjit to 'fix' it? Haven't listened to it yet...I am delaying gratification. :-) How about the 3-Tier stuff? Can anyone shed some light? Please..... Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 26, 1997 9:47 pm Subject: Re: Tone Colours Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:05 AM 3/26/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > >> David J. Hughes wrote: >> >> > What colour or colours do TD albums, or any album for that matter, >> > bring to mind... > >I often find that the album cover influences my perception of the >'colour' of the music. Trivial examples are :- > >Rubycon Turquoise >Tangram Red [.....] Oh, boy... you guys are really strange. :-) But seriously. I used to teach a university course in Sensation and Perception and one of the interesting things I covered was a condition called synesthesia. It refers to the ability of SOME folks to experience the stimuli from one modality (say, sound - audition) in the perceptual world of another (in this case, light wavelength - vision). It is hypothesized that this is a special way that some experience the world, not necessarily universal at all. Folks who see when they ought to hear, or smell when they ought to see, must have a very rich perceptual life to live. Maybe the Davids, Grants, and the Edgars of this world are all artists because they CAN experience the world differently. Oh, BTW, I am told that the experience of the synesthetes is quite vivid, not just mildly crossed as with us mere unriched mortals. Are you an artist too, Grant? This could be an interesting thread. I would be curious about other people's experiences with crossing perceptual modalities, especially when listening to music. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 5:32 am Subject: Re: TD and Sax over!! Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Matt Williams > > Hi Everyone > > Just checked out the TD news web page,I don't know if I have made a > mistake but it says TD have decided that they will no longer use sax > and certain other instruments from now on.. > > The S.Bush concert was the last time we get to see Linda Spa....the > European tour will have two new members....the two gutarists who were > at the S.Bush gig won't be in the band either. > > It justs says that after a decade they want a change.....hmmm could be > interestings days ahead...heres hoping they will play england again > soon:) > > Matt Yes, it looks like Edgar may be serious about turning TD back into a heavy electronic band again. This could be very good news for lovers of the analog synthesizer sound. I'm jazzed. -- Mark PS: TD just played in England. It's our turn. :-) TD to North America! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2121 Re: TD and Sax over!! Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 3/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 5:52 am Subject: Sol et Luna Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > To front cover title is 'Sol et Luna.' > The back cover says: 'Mystery Tracks Vol. II' > The CD says: 'Mystery Tracks Vol 2' > > Here is the listing of the tracks: > 1. Heartbreakers 2:34 > 2. Footbridge to Heaven 3:00 > 3. Twilight Painter 4:22 > 4. Gemini 3:42 > 5. Rain in New York City 3:30 > 6. Pastime 2:57 > 7. The Looser 3:26 > 8. Breathing in the Night away 2:31 > 9. Desire 5:40 > 10. Thorny affair 3:13 > 11. Daybreak 4:06 > 12. Alexander Square 6:19 > 13. Oriental Haze 3:57 > 14. Barull Blue 7:14 <<--- actually 'Barryl Blue' > 15. Chimes & Chains 4:39 > 16. Haunted heights 6:07 > 17. Oszilator Planet Concert 8:01 > 18. Dancing Grizzlies > > 1-11: 'Heartbreaker' Orig. Motion Picture Soundtrack P&C 1985 > 12: Special long version > 13. Prev. unrel. track, not on any album. > Alto Sax: LINDA SPA > 14/15/16: Prev. unrel. taken of (sic!) 70/80 LP-BOX-SET > 17: 'Music World Language' International Music Froum, > Live-only at Ossiach Lake 1971 > 18: Excerpt of Edgar Froese's 1992 indexed interview Hi Andrew. Yes this is a bootleg... well, actually it's a pirate. Tracks 1-11 is lifted from the 'Heartbreakers' CD. Track 12 is from the 'Alexander Square' 12'. Tracks 13 and 18 are from the 'Rockoon Special Edition' CD5 -- track 18 is but 1:30 of a 14:33 interview by Joanne Davenport -- the section where Edgar talks about critics as like being dancing grizzlies (probably the highlight of an otherwise mundane interview). Tracks 14, 15, & 16 are the three solos (one by EF, one by PB, and one by CF) lifted from 'Tangerine Dream 1970-1980'. And track 17 is the 'Oszillator Planet Concert' lifted from 'Ossiach Live', the 3LP/2CD that came out of the International Music Forum, 25 June to 5 July, 1971 held at Ossiacher Lake, Austria -- this is the track Armin was raving about. Hope this answers all your questions. Cheers -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2120 Re: Sol et Luna Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 3/27/1997 3 KB 2596 Sol et Luna Phil Vendy Sun 4/13/1997 3 KB 2648 Re: Sol et Luna Phil Vendy Mon 4/14/1997 2 KB 6099 Sol et Luna Plumer, Scott Wed 7/23/1997 2 KB 6103 Re: Sol et Luna Jens Peschke Thu 7/24/1997 2 KB 6104 Re: Sol et Luna Vic Rek Thu 7/24/1997 2 KB 6106 Re: Sol et Luna Plumer, Scott Thu 7/24/1997 2 KB 6111 Re: Sol et Luna Mike Livsey Thu 7/24/1997 2 KB 6113 Re: Sol et Luna Mark Filipak Thu 7/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 1:09 am Subject: Encyclopedia of Prog Rock Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I recommend a visit to the Gibraltar Encycopledia of Progressive Rock (GEPR) to those of you who are not familiar with it: http://www.museum.tulane.edu/pub/gepr/gepr.html Very competent, albeit personalized, reviews of TD. Excellent reading on prog rock musical genres. Have you not wondered where TD belongs in the great musical scheme of things (certainly NOT 'new age' -- whatever that means)? Your time will be well spent. Enjoy. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 7:19 am Subject: Re: RE CYCLONE , SBM Edition and personal things Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) You wrote: > >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > >P.D. >What I wrote about this music is only a glimse of my inner thougths.I >whished I could express myself in inglish the way I manage to do in >spanish to be more precise and make my ideas clearer to you, but, I hope >nevertheless you'll understand it enouth. > > >regards > >Francisco > > I'm with you, I think Cyclone has been an album that has been scorned because of the vocals, but is actually a very good album IMHO. I think you expressed very well your thoughts of this album! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 1:43 am Subject: Re: Sol et Luna Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:52 PM 3/26/97 -0800, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >> To front cover title is 'Sol et Luna.' >> The back cover says: 'Mystery Tracks Vol. II' >> The CD says: 'Mystery Tracks Vol 2' [.....] >Hi Andrew. Yes this is a bootleg... well, actually it's a pirate. >Tracks 1-11 is lifted from the 'Heartbreakers' CD. Track 12 is from the >'Alexander Square' 12'. Tracks 13 and 18 are from the 'Rockoon Special >Edition' CD5 -- track 18 is but 1:30 of a 14:33 interview by Joanne >Davenport -- the section where Edgar talks about critics as like being >dancing grizzlies (probably the highlight of an otherwise mundane >interview). Tracks 14, 15, & 16 are the three solos (one by EF, one by >PB, and one by CF) lifted from 'Tangerine Dream 1970-1980'. And track >17 is the 'Oszillator Planet Concert' lifted from 'Ossiach Live', the >3LP/2CD that came out of the International Music Forum, 25 June to 5 >July, 1971 held at Ossiacher Lake, Austria -- this is the track Armin >was raving about. > >Hope this answers all your questions. Cheers -- Mark > Certainly does. I love being edified. If I hang around for another 2-3 years I may become an expert too.:-) Thanks, Mark. Very instructive reply. Regards, Andrew P.S. Has anyone seen the 'Ossiach Live' CDs available anywhere recently? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 1:49 am Subject: Re: TD and Sax over!! Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:32 PM 3/26/97 -0800, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >Yes, it looks like Edgar may be serious about turning TD back into a >heavy electronic band again. This could be very good news for lovers of >the analog synthesizer sound. I'm jazzed. -- Mark > >PS: TD just played in England. It's our turn. :-) TD to North America! >From your lips to their agent's ears! :-) :-) This time I would make the trip to LA, even if my wife wouldn't understand.:-( Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 9:16 am Subject: Re: Tone Colours Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > Oh, boy... you guys are really strange. :-) I'm taking this as a compliment, Andrew ! :) > But seriously. I used to teach a university course in Sensation and > Perception and > one of the interesting things I covered was a condition called synesthesia. > It is hypothesized that this is a special way that some experience the > world, not > necessarily universal at all. Folks who see when they ought to hear, or smell > when they ought to see, must have a very rich perceptual life to live. > Maybe the > Davids, Grants, and the Edgars of this world are all artists because they CAN > experience the world differently. Oh, BTW, I am told that the experience of > the > synesthetes is quite vivid, not just mildly crossed as with us mere > unriched mortals. I'm afraid that I'm just a mere unriched mortal, too, Andrew. I've never had full syneasthesia, even in the deepest LSD trip. All I ever get is very heavy visualisation of sound. I know that others (Craig Cordrey is one, I'm sure he told me) experience nothing like this at all - sound is sound is sound. > Are you an artist too, Grant? I'm a musician, but couldn't paint or draw to save myself ! :) I do, however, enjoy a lot of art from Van Gogh through to Giger. Interestingly enough, I go much more for creating sound 'textures' rather than concentrating on melodies, harmonies, etc. as you would in traditional music. I'd also rather listen to 5 minutes of a single slowly phased chord than hear a chord progression repeated a few times on piano. > This could be an interesting thread. I would be curious about other people's > experiences with crossing perceptual modalities, especially when listening > to music. I find it very interesting too. I hope the list will indulge us for a few more messages. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 10:35 am Subject: Re: Is TD more than just Edgar ? Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > As an example of how the other band members can make > > greater contributions than Edgar, I recall that it was > > actually Chris Franke who introduced Edgar to the more > > experimental side of music, such as Cage and Stockhausen. > > Edgar, up to that point, had never looked beyond Pink > > Floyd and Jimi Hendrix as the last word in experimental > > music. > > Another outrageous statement. Got anything to back this up Grant? It was from an interview with Chris. I'll try to track down the reference. Perhaps Elana could help me out here. In the words of Dave Barry, 'I am not making this up' ! :) > > certain era. Compare Baumann's solo works to TD circa > > Sorcerer. > > and 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' is also very good, but what has he done in > the last 15 years and what does any of that have to do with Edgar? > What's the point? My point was that the TD sound of Sorcerer was most definitely leaning towards Baumann more than the other members. > evolved since 'Electronic Meditation', but who do you think bears the > major responsibility for that change if not Edgar? All the members of the band. Chris introduced sequencers which have become a huge part of the TD sound. It had nothing to do with any conscious decision on Edgar's part. Similarly, Johannes pushed the sound more towards 'safe' chord sequences and bringing melodies to the fore. > > ... He may have named the band, and been its > > only constant member, but his influence has ranged from > > 0 to 100% at different times. ... > > Yet one more outrageous statement. When has Edgar's influence been 0%? 'Sequent C'', one of my all-time favourite 'TD' tracks, was actually a Baumann solo track. Similarly, 'Mysterious Semblance...' was 100% a Froese family effort (with Monique twiddling the phaser whilst Edgar played Mellotron). > But you imply that their contributions were each larger than Edgar's -- > in fact larger than the total (120%?). ^^^^^^^^ Purely a rhetorical device, Mark. I didn't mean it with any kind of mathematical accuracy. What I meant was that as well as being working 'session men' giving 100% to TD, they were also putting their own vision to work and pulling things round to their own way of thinking. > > ... Would > > he have made 'Stuntman' had he not met Chris Franke ? > > I don't think so. > > How can you say this? You haven't a clue. Obviously I wasn't there. What I meant was that I can hear Chris' influence in there. For a more obvious example, how about the first minute of 'At Darwin's Motel'. Was this a 'tribute' to Chris ? I don't think so. I think it a case of using tricks that Chris developed whilst in TD and claiming it to be a 'TD trademark'. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2141 Re: Is TD more than just Edgar ? John Christian Fri 3/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 5:32 pm Subject: mystery tracks Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) >>Hi, >> >>I'm a bit confused: isn't Mystery Tracks Vol. I called 'Sol et Luna', >>and not Mystery Tracks Vol. II? I've got both (found them in >>Belfast last week). Sol et Luna is the one with this wonderful >>live piece from 1971, right? Great track! >> >> >>Armin Theissen > >To front cover title is 'Sol et Luna.' >The back cover says: 'Mystery Tracks Vol. II' >The CD says: 'Mystery Tracks Vol 2' Sorry, I confused Mystery Tracks I and II. Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 6:50 pm Subject: Tracks on vinyl?? Really-From: 'Mark Wright' My friend has a copy of the best of Tangerine Dream on CD. I was wonderng if it is possible to get the last three tracks(sorry, don't know what they are called) on vinyl. Also, any touring news??? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 11:55 am Subject: Re: Simmering (Down?) from the 'hi' Spam Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > > Gee thanks, Rainer, for forwarding the entire *&%^^#$@! message > > to be a channeled communication from the big J himself. > --Dave Sorry Dave ! Don't make it again ! You're right ! ;-() Rainer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 1:04 pm Subject: Re: OR track title error? >> There's a track on OR called 'Turning Off the Wheel.' Shouldn't it be >> 'Turning _OF_ the Wheel'? Is it like this on the CD's? I have only the >> LP. >The disc I have is [1988] Private (US): 2042-2-P. It says 'Turning Off >the Wheel' on both the disc itself and the backpaper. Your LP says >'Turning Of the Wheel', eh? I only know of one LP: [1988] Private (US): >2042-1-P. Is this what you have? -- Mark No, min says 'Off.' I thoughtit _should_ say _of_. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 1:28 pm Subject: Re: FS:Tangerine Dream vinyl (unused) Really-From: Blipvert Sorry to keep everyone waiting on this list. It came to my attention that a lot of people are on Spring break so I am waiting til Monday to send the list out. thanks, steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 12:41 pm Subject: NOT TD - SynthL - does it exist? Really-From: jeffrey@i... Andrew SynthL is a list that discusses synthesizers and sometime electronic music as well but that is usually discussed on its sister list EmusicL. The Synth list is o.k. but I pefer analogue heavan and electronica to synthL. synthl seemed to be dominated by a few people who seems to respond to anything where the other two imo are a much healthier forum - where I learn alot more. Emusic is pretty disappointing, I usually just wind up hitting the delete key. Send me an e-mail if you want me to send the subscribing instructions. Jeff Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I think I saw a reference flash by about SynthL. Does it exist? Is it, as I guess, a list that discusses synthesizer music? Would appreciate replies. Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2134 Re: NOT TD - SynthL - does it exist? Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 3/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 2:45 pm Subject: sheperd's bush cds Really-From: Michael A Jean RE: Kent's idea of tracking the owners Sounds like I nifty idea, but I sure wouldn't want to do it... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 3:31 pm Subject: Posters in Berlin Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >>It has been so long ago that Tangerine Dream >>posters were plastered all over the place here... >> > >Indeed, I think it was 1982 !? > >Where can I find the posters in Berlin ? Gary, sorry for the delay in answering, I am currently travelling... I saw the posters in 3 different places already. At the moment, I only disctinctly remember one, though: If you take the 100 Bus from Zoo to the Brandenburg Gate, after you pass Bellevue and the Congress Hall 'Schwangere Auster', there is a big intersection. Straight ahead you can drive to the Reichstag, to the left is the construction site of the new underground rail tunnel. Sorry, don´t know the street name. On that intersection I saw two banner-like posters attached to the fence that read 'The world´s leading synthesizer band - Tangerine Dream' plus the concert date. I guess you are going to be at the concert as well? Maybe we get to see each other there? Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2145 Re: Posters in Berlin Gary Struhlik Fri 3/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 3:43 pm Subject: Planets of the Universe Vol. 1 Really-From: Vic Rek I just picked up a sampler with TD and K. Schulze on it. This is a double CD with a 'moon disc' and a 'sun-shaped disc'. The sun shaped disc looks like a circular saw blade, but interesting nonetheless. The back insert is cut in half so prospective buyers can see the gimick CD. Planets of the Universe Vol. 1 - Germany Pikosso Records 874 0003 (2 CD) PC: 15 released 1996 track 13 disc 1 - Stratosfear 1994 track 2 disc 2 - K. Schulze Conquest of Paradise (Vangelis piece) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2133 Re: Planets of the Universe Vol. 1 Jim Moore Thu 3/27/1997 2 KB 2135 Re: Planets of the Universe Vol. 1 Vic Rek Thu 3/27/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 4:19 pm Subject: RE: Planets of the Universe Vol. 1 Really-From: Jim Moore >Really-From: Vic Rek > track 2 disc 2 - K. Schulze Conquest of Paradise (Vangelis piece) You mean Klaus Schulze is doing a cover of Vangelis' 1492 song? How does it sound? - jim From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 10:26 am Subject: Re: NOT TD - SynthL - does it exist? Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 08:41 AM 3/27/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: jeffrey@i... > > >Andrew > >SynthL is a list that discusses synthesizers and sometime electronic music as well but that is usually [.....] >up hitting the delete key. Send me an e-mail if you want me to send the subscribing instructions. > >Jeff Thanks, Jeff. I posted further comments and questions via e-mail. This way the TD purists won't get their panties in a wad. :-) Regards, Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 8:51 pm Subject: RE: Planets of the Universe Vol. 1 Really-From: Vic Rek > >>Really-From: Vic Rek >> track 2 disc 2 - K. Schulze Conquest of Paradise (Vangelis piece) > >You mean Klaus Schulze is doing a cover of Vangelis' 1492 song? How >does it sound? > Yes! Sounds great, but a little too similar to the original Vangelis piece as I can recall. I haven't compared the two in detail, but at first it sounded like Vangelis. KS also released this on a single in 1994 with a long and short version. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 28, 1997 8:02 am Subject: Tone Colours Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >>> David J. Hughes wrote: >>> >>> > What colour or colours do TD albums, or any album for that matter, >>> > bring to mind... >> >>I often find that the album cover influences my perception of the >>'colour' of the music. Trivial examples are :- >> >>Rubycon Turquoise >>Tangram Red >[.....] > >Oh, boy... you guys are really strange. :-) > >But seriously. I used to teach a university course in Sensation and >Perception >and one of the interesting things I covered was a condition >called >synesthesia. That's the boy! I don't have it quite as bad as some people who can 'taste' colour (I kid you not) but certain sounds do suggest colours. I first noticed it when listening to Tubeway Army's album 'Replicas' roughly twenty years ago. This album has a warm 'orange' feeling about it, despite the fact that the songs are mainly about alienation and social ills. I heard 'Exit' at around the same time and the two albums sound totally different but share much the same 'tone colour'. This kind of contradicts Grant's album cover reference but I see his meaning. >It is hypothesized that this is a special way that some experience the >world, not necessarily universal at all. Folks who see when they ought to >>hear, or smell when they ought to see, must have a very rich perceptual >life >to live. I have a mild form of colour blindness too. I often wonder if they are linked. >Maybe the Davids, Grants, and the Edgars of this world are all artists >because >they CAN experience the world differently. My maternal Grandfather was an artist and an Engineer. He was also colour blind but to a much greater extent. We used to find blue trees in his paintings and wondered if he was loosing it. I wonder if an altered perception attracts folk like us to music like TD. >This could be an interesting thread. I would be curious about other people's >experiences with crossing perceptual modalities, especially when listening >to music. Mmmm...out of my depth here...but something to muse upon though...(Wha-he-say? Din-unnerstan-a-wurd-of-it...just nodd 'an' smile at the nice man... ;) ) Cheers David P.S. The deadline for entries to the 'Great T-Bass caption Competition' has been extended by another two weeks to encourage a few more entries. The new revamped T-Bass web pages are now open with some nice flashy graphics, a nice pic of me with Edgar and Chris and lots of links to other related EM web sites. Hurry on by now! T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 27, 1997 6:47 pm Subject: NGC 891 original vs tangentized Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... Dreamers saw a copy of E. Froese's Solo 1974-1979 LP last night and noticed that the NGC 891 track had been re-recorded. How does it compare to the original on the Aqua LP? Saw a copy of Atem in Quadrophonic on the OHR label, too--are all the vinyl releases in Quad or were some in stereo....? --teiwaz From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 28, 1997 7:32 am Subject: Well that's it, I'm outta here Really-From: Paul Edwards It's been fun for the last five years, but it looks like time to move on. Frankly the list has got too noisy recently -- not in terms of irrelevant material; but more in an excessive quoting and consequent huge messages cluttering up mailboxes. The recent emergence of some immature self-centred individuals on the list hasn't helped matters either. Gabe, Armin, Craig: if anything of interest pops up, or the situation improves, drop us a line. Hope all goes well for you all on the list, in whatever you are doing. Cheers, Paul -- Paul Edwards * IT Consultant * email: p.edwards@i... Services Delivery, ITS * Phone: +61 3 934 44624 The University of Melbourne * Fax: +61 3 9347 4803 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Apathy Error: Don't bother striking any key. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 28, 1997 2:08 pm Subject: Zeit: is the CD quadraphonic? Really-From: 'Dr. George D. Choksy' Hi guys. I have a question about Zeit on CD. The vinyl LPs were originally released in the matrix quadraphonic format called SQ. Is the CD release of Zeit mastered from the SQ-encoded stereo-compatible master tape? And is there a recently remastered Zeit CD, and is it in SQ quad? Thanks. GC From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 28, 1997 3:09 pm Subject: Re: Tone Colours Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > Hi all, > > >>> David J. Hughes wrote: > >>> > >>> > What colour or colours do TD albums, or any album for that matter, > >>> > bring to mind... > >> > >>I often find that the album cover influences my perception of the > >>'colour' of the music. Trivial examples are :- > >> > >>Rubycon Turquoise > >>Tangram Red > >[.....] > > > >Oh, boy... you guys are really strange. :-) > > > >But seriously. I used to teach a university course in Sensation and > >Perception >and one of the interesting things I covered was a condition > >called >synesthesia. > > That's the boy! I don't have it quite as bad as some people who can 'taste' > colour (I kid you not) but certain sounds do suggest colours. I first > noticed it when listening to Tubeway Army's album 'Replicas' roughly twenty > years ago. This album has a warm 'orange' feeling about it, despite the > fact that the songs are mainly about alienation and social ills. I heard > 'Exit' at around the same time and the two albums sound totally different > but share much the same 'tone colour'. This kind of contradicts Grant's > album cover reference but I see his meaning. Personally, I would describe 'Replicas' as 'orange chiffon' whereas 'Exit' might be 'orange south Pacific sunset.' (Looks like I'm gonna need more therapy.) 8^) > >It is hypothesized that this is a special way that some experience the > >world, not necessarily universal at all. Folks who see when they ought to > >>hear, or smell when they ought to see, must have a very rich perceptual > >life >to live. > > I have a mild form of colour blindness too. I often wonder if they are linked. Ditto for me too with regard to color blindness. As a result, I tend to notice texture, both visual and aural, more often than visual color. I think that I unconsciously focus on aural color (music, or sound in general) rather than visual color because of my reduced visual sensitivity to color. > >Maybe the Davids, Grants, and the Edgars of this world are all artists > >because >they CAN experience the world differently. > > My maternal Grandfather was an artist and an Engineer. He was also colour > blind but to a much greater extent. We used to find blue trees in his > paintings and wondered if he was loosing it. > > I wonder if an altered perception attracts folk like us to music like TD. (snip) > Cheers > David Well, I can say quite confidently that altered perception is the *main* reason I am attracted to music, especially music like TD. I come from a family tree comprised of half engineers and half artists. I guess I'm a little bit of both without having mastered either. Perhaps this explains why I have always had a strong attachment to surrealism and would think nothing wrong of a landscape with blue trees in it! And for the record, I find that the best experiences of altered perception are those that are not chemically induced. (Though I wouldn't say no to a glass of Bordeaux or a pint of Guiness!) Cheers, -Erik esanborn@B... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 28, 1997 7:48 pm Subject: Re: Is TD more than just Edgar ? Really-From: John Christian > > As an example of how the other band members can make > > greater contributions than Edgar, I recall that it was > > actually Chris Franke who introduced Edgar to the more > > experimental side of music, such as Cage and Stockhausen. > > Edgar, up to that point, had never looked beyond Pink > > Floyd and Jimi Hendrix as the last word in experimental > > music. That may be true, but it's an oversimplification. Electronic Meditation is pretty experimental; Alpha Centauri is a major Floyd ripoff. >My point was that the TD sound of Sorcerer was most definitely >leaning towards Baumann more than the other members. Just being devils advocate: Coundn't you equally conclude that Baumann had *no* influence as his solo album just sounded like what TD was doing at the time? >All the members of the band. Chris introduced sequencers >which have become a huge part of the TD sound. Sequencers were probably fated. The path to synths was already in place, so sooner or later you'd end up with one (assuming a Chrisless TD was good enough to get the funds to buy the Moogs). Edgar has recently taken to claiming to have done the bassline through a delay years previously. I would have thought that the real proof that Chris & Peter had such significant influence is that for many formative years the foundation of the band was live improvisation, and they all had to take a hand in that, by definition. JC -- John Christian - mail:john@p... AirSculpture Try out WebMaze at From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 28, 1997 9:04 pm Subject: A 'Poland' 2CD 4 years before the Relativity release? Really-From: Mark Filipak I've found a record of a 2CD of 'Poland' supposedly released in Germany in 1984: Jive 8.28638. If it exists, it would predate the Relativity release by 4 years and be the only other complete version of 'Poland' on CD. I'm extremely skeptical, but if you have this release or know anything about it, please contact me off-list. Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 28, 1997 8:57 pm Subject: ALPHA CENTAURI (LP) - Relativity EMC 8069 Really-From: Mark Filipak To anyone who has the ALPHA CENTAURI, Relativity EMC 8069 LP released in 1987: Is this a gatefold? Contact me off-list. Thanks in advance -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 28, 1997 10:29 pm Subject: Brick - Grammy Nominated Really-From: Gary Struhlik A 5 CD box of 'Brick - The Grammy Nominated' is now available in Germany. Label: Mira CDs: 'Tyranny Of Beauty','Turn Of The Tides' '220 Volt','Rockoon' and 'Canyon Dreams' price: 99,95 DM (about 58 US dollars) This is certainly a low-priced offer especially for new TD fans. Gary /==============================================================\ |My new eMail address is gary.struhlik@b... | |Please use this eMail address only !!! | |Meine neue eMail Adresse lautet gary.struhlik@b... | |Bitte benutzen Sie nur diese eMail Adresse !!! | \==============================================================/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 28, 1997 10:30 pm Subject: Re: Posters in Berlin Really-From: Gary Struhlik At 02:06 28.03.97 -0600, you wrote: >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:31:38 -0500 >Subject: > >Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > >I saw the posters in 3 different places already. At the moment, I only >disctinctly remember one, though: If you take the 100 Bus from Zoo to the >Brandenburg Gate, after you pass Bellevue and the Congress Hall 'Schwangere >Auster', there is a big intersection. Straight ahead you can drive to the >Reichstag, to the left is the construction site of the new underground rail >tunnel. Sorry, don´t know the street name. > >On that intersection I saw two banner-like posters attached to the fence >that read 'The world´s leading synthesizer band - Tangerine Dream' plus the >concert date. > Thank you very much for your response. >I guess you are going to be at the concert as well? Yes of course. I will be there ! >Maybe we get to see each other there? Maybe we will meet unconsciously. Gary /==============================================================\ |My new eMail address is gary.struhlik@b... | |Please use this eMail address only !!! | |Meine neue eMail Adresse lautet gary.struhlik@b... | |Bitte benutzen Sie nur diese eMail Adresse !!! | \==============================================================/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 29, 1997 1:03 am Subject: D: Zeit Really-From: Boneheads1@a... Well, every time I've listened to Zeit this week I've fallen asleep. I think the Cello intro does it. Each movement(??) seems to have a life of its own. The first night I put it on and immediately realized that Zeit is so unlike any other TD album. However, the creative subtlety in Zeit is on par with the rest of their catalog. The first TD album I heard was Phaedra and therefore Ziet was listened to in retrospect. I've got to believe that this album was an influence on Robert Fripp and Brian Eno for 'No Pussyfooting', but then maybe it was Theremin. Anyway, one time I was listening to Zeit, falling asleep & waking up, again and each time I was swept away by this metamorphosis of sound. No drum machine, no sequencers, just purely elegant electronic music, from space. This is the soundtrack to the Hubble photographs. I like it in the background where it can interject. And maybe I like it better with a break between songs(??), but I'm not sure. I think this one is a milestone for Tangerine Dream and for modern music in general, at least from my experience. Tim From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 29, 1997 5:37 am Subject: D:\/\/\/\/ 'Zeit' \/\/\/\/ Really-From: PNaunton@a... 23-Mar-1997 Tangerine Dream 'Zeit' Published - 1973 Purchased - 1975 Format - LP (2) Label - Ohr Catalog - 2/56021 Personnel - Froese, Franke, Baumann, and others. When I found this I was already hooked. In the dark, weird, avant-guard record store where I found this I thought I had died and gone to heaven. I went home with what felt like five pounds of gold in my back-pack. <> I wasn't expecting what I heard. Mood music for a Gothic Sci-Fi Movie? Dark to say the least. I just put it on to listen to this morning, Sunday, and was advised by the rest of my family to remove it instantly or suffer the consequences. I can really get into this though. Great cosmic textures, nice slo-o-o-o-o-w development. It is really odd to hear Edgar's guitar wailing away far-far-far-far in the background on track two 'Nebulous Dawn'. It is virtually subliminal. Peculiar construct. 26-Mar-97 Had to do this is two sections this week. It has really been the week from Hell. Just about everything that can go wrong, has. But, to press onward. Sides three and four of this double LP set, I just got a chance to listen to this morning. There are some great atmospheres developed here. Some time ago when there was a discussion of 'Atem' someone spoke of the connection of this and 'Zeit' as being one big work. 'Zeit' being the primary element, and followed by 'Atem'. I had never thought of this before, but it does all fit together now. It does make for an interesting transitional piece. I was thinking of putting all of this onto a Reel-to-Reel tape, or else a Video Cassette with all the elements in series, and see if I could possibly listen to all of them in a row without falling asleep. ;-) In adding up the lengths of all the pieces of the four 'Zeit' tracks I come up with 75 minutes and 55 seconds worth of music. My question is does all of this fit on one CD or not. I never thought to take a look. Does the CD version have one disc or two? Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2148 Re: D:\/\/\/\/ 'Zeit' \/\/\/\/ Robert Grabowsky Sat 3/29/1997 4 KB 2158 Re: D:\/\/\/\/ 'Zeit' \/\/\/\/ Mark Filipak Sun 3/30/1997 4 KB 2159 Re: D:\/\/\/\/ 'Zeit' \/\/\/\/ Jens Peschke Sun 3/30/1997 4 KB 2166 Re: D:\/\/\/\/ 'Zeit' \/\/\/\/ PNaunton@a... Mon 3/31/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 29, 1997 6:00 am Subject: Re: D:\/\/\/\/ 'Zeit' \/\/\/\/ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Phil, It has 2 discs.How many TD CD's do you have?How long have you been collecting TD? Robert At 05:37 AM 3/29/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > >23-Mar-1997 > Tangerine Dream > 'Zeit' > Published - 1973 > Purchased - 1975 > Format - LP (2) > Label - Ohr > Catalog - 2/56021 > Personnel - Froese, Franke, Baumann, and others. > > When I found this I was already hooked. In the dark, weird, >avant-guard record store where I found this I thought I had died and gone to >heaven. I went home with what felt like five pounds of gold in my back-pack. ><Germany!! Mein Gott!>> > > I wasn't expecting what I heard. Mood music for a Gothic Sci-Fi >Movie? Dark to say the least. I just put it on to listen to this morning, >Sunday, and was advised by the rest of my family to remove it instantly or >suffer the consequences. > > I can really get into this though. Great cosmic textures, nice >slo-o-o-o-o-w development. It is really odd to hear Edgar's guitar wailing >away far-far-far-far in the background on track two 'Nebulous Dawn'. It is >virtually subliminal. Peculiar construct. > >26-Mar-97 > > Had to do this is two sections this week. It has really been the >week from Hell. Just about everything that can go wrong, has. > > But, to press onward. Sides three and four of this double LP set, >I just got a chance to listen to this morning. There are some great >atmospheres developed here. > > Some time ago when there was a discussion of 'Atem' someone spoke >of the connection of this and 'Zeit' as being one big work. 'Zeit' being the >primary element, and followed by 'Atem'. I had never thought of this before, >but it does all fit together now. It does make for an interesting >transitional piece. I was thinking of putting all of this onto a >Reel-to-Reel tape, or else a Video Cassette with all the elements in series, >and see if I could possibly listen to all of them in a row without falling >asleep. ;-) > > In adding up the lengths of all the pieces of the four 'Zeit' >tracks I come up with 75 minutes and 55 seconds worth of music. My question >is does all of this fit on one CD or not. I never thought to take a look. > Does the CD version have one disc or two? > >Phil Naunton > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 29, 1997 6:50 am Subject: Schmoelling Really-From: AslanFan1@a... Can anyone help me find CDs of White Out and Zoo of Tranquility? I wait with baited breath. :-) -Alan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2151 Re: Schmoelling Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 3/29/1997 2 KB 2298 Dream Mixes Video Matt Williams Thu 4/3/1997 3 KB 2153 Re: Schmoelling Larry E Smith Sat 3/29/1997 3 KB 15469 Schmoelling Glyn G. Morton Sat 3/27/1999 1 KB 23022 Schmoelling olle.rundgren@s... Wed 6/21/2000 2 KB 23023 TDI update Radu Velicescu Wed 6/21/2000 2 KB 23030 Re: Schmoelling craig.cordrey@g... Thu 6/22/2000 4 KB 29674 Re: Schmoelling webmaster@j... Fri 10/19/2001 2 KB 29675 Re: Schmoelling john@p... Fri 10/19/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 29, 1997 6:49 am Subject: Rumplestiltskin Really-From: AslanFan1@a... I have just a few copies left (still shrink wrapped) of this now out of print CD by Tangerine Dream. If anyone is interested in obtaining one, please email me asap. I'd prefer a trade but am willing to talk about anything. Thanks! I've also got a 220 Volts Live poster that I'll entertain offers for. Lastly, if anyone is interested in trading for autographed Chris Franke postcards or posters, please email me. They're cool. Just got the SBM version of Tangram. It sounds great! I highly recommend it! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 29, 1997 10:33 am Subject: Re: Schmoelling Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 01:50 AM 3/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > > >Can anyone help me find CDs of White Out and Zoo of Tranquility? > >I wait with baited breath. :-) >-Alan Now, now, Alan... give the guy a break.... and let him know that they are impossible to get... Clearly, he is a new collector. Maybe you should've used a :-^ instead of the smilie. :-))) Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2298 Dream Mixes Video Matt Williams Thu 4/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 29, 1997 3:47 pm Subject: Klaus Kruger Really-From: 'Kenneth W. Beal' I recently purchased the following and not having a turntable at this time, I have no idea what this sounds like. Does anyone have any info or insites about the following: Title : One Is One Format 12' 45 rpm vinyl lp Number: KS 80013 Label: Innovative Communications Date: 1981 Recorded at: Studio Christoph Franke, Berlin - June->December 1980 Tracks: Side 1 - Clever Girl - 8:12 You Have To Pay - 3:14 Piece A - 1:22 I Always Wanted To Be A Musician, Sir - 4:22 Side 2 - In The Meantime - 6:32 Piece B - 2:23 Disziplin - 9:07 Is this similar to TD of that period...? I know that it is listed in Voices. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ken From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 29, 1997 7:26 pm Subject: Re: Schmoelling Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Actually, according to C & D Compact Disc Services, Zoo of Tranquility is being re-released in April. I have one on order. I HOPE their information is accurate, it would sure be a let down if they're wrong. So far though, I've found them to be knowledgeable and an *excellent* supplier. They seem to be able to get the items Ranjit and others tell me they cannot get anymore (excluding boots). Has anyone else heard of the re-release??? Unfortunately, I passed on White Out at the local Tower Records about five years ago. It was in the bin for about a year before someone bought it. It was very expensive at the time. Of course now I could kick myself for not buying it!!! Larry Smith On Sat, 29 Mar 1997 10:33:12 tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) writes: >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >At 01:50 AM 3/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Really-From: AslanFan1@a... >> >> >>Can anyone help me find CDs of White Out and Zoo of Tranquility? >> >>I wait with baited breath. :-) >>-Alan > >Now, now, Alan... give the guy a break.... and let him know that they >are >impossible to get... >Clearly, he is a new collector. > >Maybe you should've used a :-^ instead of the smilie. :-))) > >Andrew > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Re: Zeit Really-From: jhsa@c... (Janne Salmijärvi) Curious, even though Zeit being called 'Fork in the Toaster' so far the postings about Zeit have been very positive (including this one). Guess being this far into the D-series affects our initiative to post 'I hate this hideous collage of noise' a bit. :-) Anyway, few comments about Zeit in reference to various postings. > Really-From: 'Dr. George D. Choksy' > Is the CD release of Zeit mastered from the SQ-encoded > stereo-compatible master tape? And is there a recently remastered > Zeit CD, and is it in SQ quad? The '96 Castle release of Zeit is probably not that. There's no mention of that anywhere on the cover. Would it sound any different (on Dolby Prologic perhaps)? Hmm, that's an idea, got to try that next time I'm alone (Zeit is not something I'd just put playing when there's someone around to distract me from the experience) and play it loud with Prologic mode on. Hopefully a new glorious experience in 'Zeit und Raum.' :-) - > Really-From: Boneheads1@a... > Well, every time I've listened to Zeit this week I've fallen asleep. Had any good dreams? :-) > The first night I put it on and immediately realized that Zeit is so > unlike any other TD album. Very true. Zeit is monumental. Thinking of it now I got this new image of Zeit and other TD works. Not as musical works but sculptures. Zeit being the huge monument (almost like that monolith from 2001) in the center of the garden and all the other sculptures around it in their respective places and sizes. Eg. Rubycon close by with water flowing between. It's hard to put in words but for me that image feels quite right. You are free to disagree, of course. > And maybe I like it better with a break between songs, but I'm not sure. I've always listened to it from the beginning of Birth of Liquid Plejades to end of Zeit in one go. To me stopping between the parts feels like stopping reading a book in middle of a chapter. > I think this one is a milestone for Tangerine Dream and for modern > music in general, at least from my experience. Agreed. - > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > I just put it on to listen to this morning, Sunday, and was advised > by the rest of my family to remove it instantly or suffer the > consequences. Usually a good sign. ;-) In my parent's case (I'm still living home with them, even though I'm 25 (I'm queueing for an apartment though)) it's usually Panasonic that causes the similar effect. Well not exactly, I'm not told to shut it off directly, they just come to inquire what weird stuff I'm listening now. Guess they've gotten used to me toying with my synths and making *weird* sounds. O:-) > Great cosmic textures nice slo-o-o-o-o-w development. Right, there's no rush anywhere yet when movements end it seems that it all happened so quickly, it had barely just begun. Heh, on vinyl 4 notes on 4 sides, now it *could* be 4 notes on 4 full length CDs. Guess that's a bit excessive though. ;-) > It is really odd to hear Edgar's guitar wailing away far-far-far-far > in the background on track two 'Nebulous Dawn'. It is virtually > subliminal. Peculiar construct. I haven't really noticed that before, now I really *have to* listen to that soon and really pay attention only to the music and nothing but the music. You really are making me feel I desperately want to listen to this, especially now when I can't (1 am in the night, yeah right, would wake everyone else up). > Some time ago when there was a discussion of 'Atem' someone spoke > of the connection of this and 'Zeit' as being one big work. 'Zeit' > being the primary element, and followed by 'Atem'. I had never > thought of this before, but it does all fit together now. It does > make for an interesting transitional piece. Zeit being somewhere out there (Zeit is the truth O:-) ) and Atem being close to earth, like the following albums. Beginning of Rubycon Part II has always sounded to me like a journey down the river towards its delta in the sunrise. And that was *before* I learned that Rubycon got it's name from a river. Definitely earthly stuff. > In adding up the lengths of all the pieces of the four 'Zeit' > tracks I come up with 75 minutes and 55 seconds worth of music. My > question is does all of this fit on one CD or not. I never thought > to take a look. Fits with a couple of minutes to spare. Theoretically CD is 74 mins long, I think, but there are CDs that are close to and over 80 mins long. > Does the CD version have one disc or two? One disc, 74:23 mins (the Castle '96 release). -jhsa Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2191 Re: Zeit Salmij{rvi Janne Tue 4/1/1997 3 KB 14958 Zeit Jim & Sew Fong Jordan Wed 6/24/1998 4 KB 14988 Re: Zeit Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 6/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 29, 1997 11:08 pm Subject: Poland Single CD Really-From: MPOORT@a... Hej! I remember awhile back that someone was asking about wanting a copy of the single CD version of Poland (the one by Relativity that only has three of the four tracks available on the two cd version). I just saw a copy at a local used CD shop (I think it was $8 US). If anyone wants, I can pick it up and send it to you. Let me know--I don't want it myself (I already have a copy of the two CD set). Please respond offline so that we don't clutter the listserv. MPoort (mpoort@a...) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2156 Re: Poland Single CD Kenneth W. Beal Sun 3/30/1997 3 KB 2157 Re: Poland Single CD Francisco Salgado C. Sun 3/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 29, 1997 11:25 pm Subject: Re: Poland Single CD Really-From: 'Kenneth W. Beal' At 6:08 PM -0500 3/29/97, tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: MPOORT@a... > > >Hej! I remember awhile back that someone was asking about wanting a copy of >the single CD version of Poland (the one by Relativity that only has three of >the four tracks available on the two cd version). I just saw a copy at a >local used CD shop (I think it was $8 US). If anyone wants, I can pick it up >and send it to you. Let me know--I don't want it myself (I already have a >copy of the two CD set). > >Please respond offline so that we don't clutter the listserv. > >MPoort (mpoort@a...) If no one else has responded, I would be gretly interested. Thanx, Ken From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 30, 1997 10:12 am Subject: Re: Poland Single CD Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: MPOORT@a... > > Hej! I remember awhile back that someone was asking about wanting a copy of > the single CD version of Poland (the one by Relativity that only has three of > the four tracks available on the two cd version). I just saw a copy at a > local used CD shop (I think it was $8 US). If anyone wants, I can pick it up > and send it to you. Let me know--I don't want it myself (I already have a > copy of the two CD set). > > Please respond offline so that we don't clutter the listserv. I would look for the new castle release. It's a single CD but with all it has the 2-CD except about 4-5 min of trimmed down material to make it fit on one CD. And, boys, the improvement in sound quality IS really worth. I had the Jive version and a couple of months a go I bougth the Castle version. I was really shocked by the quality of this new mastering. Assuming the master of Jive version ( relativity for USA, I think is the same master) is the same for both the 1-CD and 2-CD releases I would sacrifice (HERESY !!!) those 5 minutes avalilable on the 2 CD version and go for the new remastering that has souch a fantastic sound quality. Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 29, 1997 6:02 pm Subject: Re: D:\/\/\/\/ 'Zeit' \/\/\/\/ Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > 23-Mar-1997 > Tangerine Dream > 'Zeit' -snip- > In adding up the lengths of all the pieces of the four 'Zeit' > tracks I come up with 75 minutes and 55 seconds worth of music. My > question is does all of this fit on one CD or not. I never thought to > take a look. Does the CD version have one disc or two? > > Phil Naunton Hi Phil. It does indeed fit on one CD. Castle did a nice job too. Here are the track times as read directly from the CD player and as printed on the LPs: actual CD LP label 1- Birth Of Liquid Plejades 19:53 20:00 2- Nebulous Dawn 17:56 18:00 3- Origin Of Supernatural Probabilities 19:34 20:12 4- Zeit 16:58 17:43 I've found labeled running times to be wrong nearly every time, frequently by up to a minute on long tracks and sometimes by 3 or 4 minutes which I assume are simply misprints. Bottom line is that there is no reason why the music would need to be abridged in any way to fit on one CD and I doubt it was. Our own TaDream Archives list the longest CD as running 80:56 and list dozens of CDs over 76 minutes. Someone who has the LPs and one of the Castle releases reported recently on this list that the Castle releases are full length, but I can't remember who it was. There apparently were two previous CD releases. The first was a 1CD by Jive in 86 (catalog: C TANG 3) that may have had a slightly shortened version of 'Origin Of Supernatural Probabilities' but that has not been confirmed. The second was a 2CD by Relativity in 87 (catalog: 88561-8070-2). I suppose that this question of whether the CD versions of 'Zeit' are shortened will dog us forever. Someone with the LPs and an hour and a half of free time could do the world a big favor by accurately timing the LPs and reporting the actual running times to us. Of course, even if someone were kind enough to do that, I suppose the question would arise whether their turntable was accurate. I have an oscilloscope, and a test record, and my turntable has a vernier speed adjustment. If I had the LPs, I'd do it. To me, 'Alpha Centauri', 'Zeit', and 'Atem' fit together seemlessly. Perhaps some day we will see them all together on one huge disc or as the soundtrack to some epic, 3 hour film or maybe a PBS science series. But I'm not sure even today that the world is ready for it. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 29, 1997 3:14 pm Subject: Re: D:\/\/\/\/ 'Zeit' \/\/\/\/ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' I own a one cd recording, published by zomba music publishers, 76 virgin records limited: Track 1: 19:56 Track 2: 17:53 Track 3: 19:34 Track 4: 14:35 Total: 71:58 It was released by jive electro in 1984. cu jp ---------- > Von: tadream mailing list > An: tadream@c... > Betreff: D:\/\/\/\/ 'Zeit' \/\/\/\/ > Datum: Samstag, 29. März 1997 06:37 > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > > 23-Mar-1997 > Tangerine Dream > 'Zeit' > Published - 1973 > Purchased - 1975 > Format - LP (2) > Label - Ohr > Catalog - 2/56021 > Personnel - Froese, Franke, Baumann, and others. > > When I found this I was already hooked. In the dark, weird, > avant-guard record store where I found this I thought I had died and gone to > heaven. I went home with what felt like five pounds of gold in my back-pack. > < Germany!! Mein Gott!>> > > I wasn't expecting what I heard. Mood music for a Gothic Sci-Fi > Movie? Dark to say the least. I just put it on to listen to this morning, > Sunday, and was advised by the rest of my family to remove it instantly or > suffer the consequences. > > I can really get into this though. Great cosmic textures, nice > slo-o-o-o-o-w development. It is really odd to hear Edgar's guitar wailing > away far-far-far-far in the background on track two 'Nebulous Dawn'. It is > virtually subliminal. Peculiar construct. > > 26-Mar-97 > > Had to do this is two sections this week. It has really been the > week from Hell. Just about everything that can go wrong, has. > > But, to press onward. Sides three and four of this double LP set, > I just got a chance to listen to this morning. There are some great > atmospheres developed here. > > Some time ago when there was a discussion of 'Atem' someone spoke > of the connection of this and 'Zeit' as being one big work. 'Zeit' being the > primary element, and followed by 'Atem'. I had never thought of this before, > but it does all fit together now. It does make for an interesting > transitional piece. I was thinking of putting all of this onto a > Reel-to-Reel tape, or else a Video Cassette with all the elements in series, > and see if I could possibly listen to all of them in a row without falling > asleep. ;-) > > In adding up the lengths of all the pieces of the four 'Zeit' > tracks I come up with 75 minutes and 55 seconds worth of music. My question > is does all of this fit on one CD or not. I never thought to take a look. > Does the CD version have one disc or two? > > Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 30, 1997 6:32 pm Subject: Re: D: Zeit Really-From: Boneheads1@a... In a message dated 3/30/97 8:03:50 AM, you wrote: Really-From: jhsa@c... (Janne Salmijaervi) < Really-From: Boneheads1@a... > Well, every time I've listened to Zeit this week I've fallen asleep. Had any good dreams? :-) > The first night I put it on and immediately realized that Zeit is so > unlike any other TD album. Very true. Zeit is monumental. Thinking of it now I got this new image of Zeit and other TD works. Not as musical works but sculptures. Zeit being the huge monument (almost like that monolith from 2001) in the center of the garden and all the other sculptures around it in their respective places and sizes. Eg. Rubycon close by with water flowing between. It's hard to put in words but for me that image feels quite right. You are free to disagree, of course. - -jhsa >> I like that imagery. I mostly see Zeit like animated gaseous or liquid shapes. Like oil and water on an overhead projector, or mandelbrots stacked on each other... After listening to all of these TD albums, I was just really struck by Zeit as raising them to a new level. Electronic Meditation and Alpha Centauri are very experimental in comparison. With Zeit the music seems more planned and intentional. Its evolution is finely crafted, never heavy handed. In retrospect, Zeit gives me a much stronger indication of the future direction of TD. For something completely different, try listening to Zeit overlaid with Beethoven. Maybe 'Grosse Fugue'?? Tim From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 30, 1997 7:14 pm Subject: Grumble, grumble, gripe, gripe! Really-From: PNaunton@a... I appears that I have been abruptly unsubscribed again, without my knowledge. Hopefully it wasn't for some transgression I committed. I really wasn't aware of the problem until I didn't get one of my own posts. I thought everyone was on Spring Holiday. I haven't received any mail since last Monday or so. Does anyone have any digests available from last week that thay would be willing to send me? Please don't just send them. E-Mail me first, so I don't run into the possibility of getting drowned in TD mail. Thanks. I checked the uwp.edu files but couldn't find any digests there from more recently than mid-1996. If there are any more recent digests than that, maybe someone would be kind enough to tell me how to un-earth them. Any information would be helpful. Is it 'Zoning' this week? Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 30, 1997 4:02 pm Subject: tadream-digest V15 #875 Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) Somebody looking for Whiteout, by Schmoelling ? I have one I'd be happy to part with. Let me know off-line: WDQM60a@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2164 Re: tadream-digest V15 #875 Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 3/31/1997 2 KB 2165 Re: tadream-digest V15 #875 AslanFan1@a... Mon 3/31/1997 2 KB 2190 The 'lost' Schmoellings Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 4/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 30, 1997 11:51 pm Subject: FS: Tangerine Dream vinyl (unused) Really-From: Blipvert A friend and I bought out several copies of unplayed Tangerine Dream vinyl from a record warehouse that we discovered. They are new or unplayed records but some sleeves are worn from the storage time. generally they are in VG++ to excellent condition. Because most of these records are British imports, they are not shrink wrapped. We are selling the records on a best offer basis that will end on the 9th of April. Bidding updates will be emailed privately on a daily basis and one update will be emailed publicly on the 4th. The best bids of the available copies will be notified privately on the 9th. Starting bids are indicated per record. These are limited to the volume indicated and once we sell these, they are gone. In most cases, multiple copies are indicated and we are open to selling more than one copy per buyer. This will be useful to ambient DJs who wish to mix and cut between records. If you wish to buy more than one copy of a record, please indicate the number of copies that you wish to purchase when you bid. These records are not being sold to make a proffit, they are being sold to finance equipment for our recording studio. -Title- -catalog#- -label- -released- -availability- -starting bid- Phaedra-------VI2010----Virgin---1973-----10 copies------------US$10 Rubicon-------VI2025----Virgin---1975-----13 copies------------US$10 Ricochet------VI2044----Virgin---1975-----4 copies------------US$12 Stratosfear---VI2068----Virgin---1976-----8 copies------------US$10 Zeit----------VMD2221---Virgin---1976-----3 copies------------US$15 (Zeit is 2LPs, non gatefold) Sorcerer------MCF2806---MCA------1977-----1 copy--------------US$12 Cyclone-------VI2097----Virgin---1978-----7 copies------------US$10 Force Mejure--VI2111----Virgin---1979-----1 copy--------------US$12 Tangram-------VI2147----Virgin---1980-----3 copies------------US$12 Dream Sequence-302686----Virgin---1985----1 copy--------------US$20 (Dream Sequence is a rare 3 LP compilation of excellent material) Tyger---------1341------Caroline-1987-----multiple-------------US$7 Shipping within the US is US$3 for the first record, US$1 per additional record. International shipping will be handled on an individual basis. thanks, Steve Grant Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2170 Re: FS: Tangerine Dream vinyl (unused) Tom Richmond Mon 3/31/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 30, 1997 7:00 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #875 Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 04:02 PM 3/30/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: STEPHEN_OTT@p... ( STEPHEN M OTT) > > >Somebody looking for Whiteout, by Schmoelling ? I have one I'd be >happy to part with. Let me know off-line: WDQM60a@p... Hi, Stephen I would be interested if it's in good shape and the price or your needs are reasonable. I have many CDs that I could exchange for it. Regards, Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 8:04 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #875 Really-From: AslanFan1@a... No, it's just that I thought this list might be resourceful enough to find what has eluded me for so long . . . :-)))) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2190 The 'lost' Schmoellings Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 4/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 12:46 pm Subject: Re: D:\/\/\/\/ 'Zeit' \/\/\/\/ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-30 12:23:57 EST, you write: << I own a one cd recording, published by zomba music publishers, 76 virgin records limited: Track 1: 19:56 Track 2: 17:53 Track 3: 19:34 Track 4: 14:35 Total: 71:58 It was released by jive electro in 1984. cu jp >> Very odd. Mine, as listed on the LP are; Track 1: 20:00 Track 2: 18:00 Track 3: 20:12 Track 4: 17:43 Total: 75:55 almost four minutes difference all told. Of course this was in the days before digital recording was in its prime. Maybe they were using old rusty wind-up stopwatches. Or maybe there is something else going on here. Phil Naunton. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 1:07 pm Subject: D: This week Zoning From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 2:44 pm Subject: HEAR DAS MADCHEN Really-From: Michael A Jean In less than five minutes from now we can download the audio file of DAS MADCHEN from the TD webpage, but only for the next 15 minutes...unfirtunately, I don't have this capability...if anyne does, let me know if you were successful Mike J Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2172 Re: HEAR DAS MADCHEN gerryfox Mon 3/31/1997 2 KB 2179 Re: HEAR DAS MADCHEN Greg Mon 3/31/1997 3 KB 2180 Re: HEAR DAS MADCHEN Pixel Mon 3/31/1997 2 KB 2182 Re: HEAR DAS MADCHEN Pixel Mon 3/31/1997 2 KB 2185 Re: HEAR DAS MADCHEN gerryfox Mon 3/31/1997 2 KB 2391 Re: HEAR DAS MADCHEN Francisco Salgado C. Sun 4/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Why ZEIT is on 1 CD Instead of 2 Really-From: Steven Feldman > >> In adding up the lengths of all the pieces of the four 'Zeit' >> tracks I come up with 75 minutes and 55 seconds worth of music. My >> question is does all of this fit on one CD or not. I never thought >> to take a look. > >Fits with a couple of minutes to spare. Theoretically CD is 74 mins long, >I think, but there are CDs that are close to and over 80 mins long. > >> Does the CD version have one disc or two? > >One disc, 74:23 mins (the Castle '96 release). A good thing, too, because if this turkey was on two CDs and it cost one and a half times or more the cost of a normal CD, there would be a lot of irate no-longer-TD-interested CD buyers out there! ;) Honestly, this CD is interesting for completists, but I'd rather play DESTINATION BERLIN or DEADLY CARE or (gasp) OPTICAL RACE five times through *each* than play ZEIT once. A little ZEIT goes a loooong way. It's not called a largo for nothing. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2171 Re: Why ZEIT is on 1 CD Instead of 2 Mark Filipak Mon 3/31/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 2:59 pm Subject: Re: FS: Tangerine Dream vinyl (unused) Really-From: Tom Richmond > -Title- -catalog#- -label- -released- -availability- -starting bid- > Phaedra-------VI2010----Virgin---1973-----10 copies------------US$10 > Rubicon-------VI2025----Virgin---1975-----13 copies------------US$10 > Ricochet------VI2044----Virgin---1975-----4 copies------------US$12 > Stratosfear---VI2068----Virgin---1976-----8 copies------------US$10 > Zeit----------VMD2221---Virgin---1976-----3 copies------------US$15 > (Zeit is 2LPs, non gatefold) > Sorcerer------MCF2806---MCA------1977-----1 copy--------------US$12 > Cyclone-------VI2097----Virgin---1978-----7 copies------------US$10 > Force Mejure--VI2111----Virgin---1979-----1 copy--------------US$12 > Tangram-------VI2147----Virgin---1980-----3 copies------------US$12 > Dream Sequence-302686----Virgin---1985----1 copy--------------US$20 > (Dream Sequence is a rare 3 LP compilation of excellent material) > Tyger---------1341------Caroline-1987-----multiple-------------US$7 > > Shipping within the US is US$3 for the first record, US$1 per additional > record. International shipping will be handled on an individual basis. > > thanks, > Steve Grant Steve: I would be interested in a copy of Tangram if it includes the inner sleeve with pictures (as the copy I bought back in 1980 did not have this feature). If that is the case please enter a bid at $12 and I'll wait for your bid update to determine if an increase is necessary. Thanks. Tom Richmond trichmnd@e... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 4:51 pm Subject: Re: Why ZEIT is on 1 CD Instead of 2 Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Steven Feldman > -snip- > Honestly, this CD is interesting for completists, but I'd rather > play DESTINATION BERLIN or DEADLY CARE or (gasp) OPTICAL RACE five > times through *each* than play ZEIT once. A little ZEIT goes a loooong > way. It's not called a largo for nothing. You'll appreciate when you get older Steve. I didn't like it at first. Now after 20 years, I think it's absolute genious. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 5:41 pm Subject: Re: HEAR DAS MADCHEN Really-From: 'gerryfox' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: HEAR DAS MADCHEN > Date: 31 March 1997 15:44 > > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > > In less than five minutes from now we can download the audio file of DAS > MADCHEN from the TD webpage, I tried to down load this file but real audio would not let me because of bandwidth or CPu problems. I've got a 166+ cpu and never had bandwith problems before. Did any one get a download?. if so and if its of a manageable size could some one send me a copy? or was this another net cast foul up ? gerry > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 5:45 pm Subject: 'Poland' 2CD - Jive (Germany) 8.28638 Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Gang. Anybody got this double CD of 'Poland' Jive, 8.28638 Please contact me off-list. Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 5:57 pm Subject: Failed Experiment CD-R Really-From: Jim Moore In an attempt to create another 'rarities' CD for my own use, a software error twice halted my efforts. As a result, I have two CD-R's with the following track list: (1) Streethawk - Remix (from the 12' single) (2) Katja - (From the _Das Madchen_ 12') (3) Speed - (From the _Das Madchen_ 12') (4) Warsaw in the Sun - Parts 1 & 2 (from the 12' single of the same name) Both CD's played fine in my laptop CD-ROM, home Sony CD Player, and Discman CD-player. There is a 5 track that does not play but shows up on all players (actually, all players seem to hang after track four finshes). This is in no way a professional copy job, but if anyone is interested in one of these, let me know. - jim From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 7:28 pm Subject: AUCTION OF RARE ITEMS. Really-From: 'Jason P. Hopkins' Hi Fellow Dreamers, I'm having an auction of some rare and ultra rare CD's and vinyl. Anyone interested in a list please e-mail me. --Jason. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2177 Re: AUCTION OF RARE ITEMS. Mark Filipak Mon 3/31/1997 2 KB 2186 Re: AUCTION OF RARE ITEMS. Mark Filipak Mon 3/31/1997 2 KB 2187 Re: AUCTION OF RARE ITEMS. Claude Roy Tue 4/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: ZEIT After 20 Years...whatever *that* means. ;) Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subjet: Re: Why ZEIT is on 1 CD Instead of 2 >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 08:51:31 -0800 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Mark Filipak > >> Really-From: Steven Feldman > >> Honestly, this CD is interesting for completists, but I'd rather >> play DESTINATION BERLIN or DEADLY CARE or (gasp) OPTICAL RACE five >> times through *each* than play ZEIT once. A little ZEIT goes a loooong >> way. It's not called a largo for nothing. > >You'll appreciate when you get older Steve. I didn't like it at first. Huh?!? I'm 39 years old. >Now after 20 years, I think it's absolute genious. -- Mark I don't get it. Does that mean that the album is 20 years old, or that you've been a TD fan for 20 years, or that *you* are 20 years old. X-0 -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 8:21 pm Subject: Re: AUCTION OF RARE ITEMS. Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Jason P. Hopkins' > > Hi Fellow Dreamers, > > I'm having an auction of some rare and ultra rare CD's and vinyl. > Anyone interested in a list please e-mail me. > > --Jason. Yes please. :-) (I like ultra rare -- well done Jason!) Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 8:36 pm Subject: WEIRD MUSIC LAWS Really-From: Michael A Jean Things seem to have been slow on the list, because of SPring Break... Therefore, I thought I might pass along some excerpts from an article about strange obsolete music related laws that are still on the books in the US and Canada. They originally appeared in MUSIC EXPRESS #149 back in 1990. I think they are fun, and I hope you'll agree...If there are complaints, I will stop sending them... Some Samples: Winnipeg, Manitoba: Citizens are not allowed to attend a concert within four hours of consuming garlic. Montgomery, Alabama: No female wearing a nightgown can be found playing or singing country and western music. A woman of any age must always get fully dressed before she can legally be allowed to sing or play in public. Fredericton, New Brunswick: Citizens may not make silly and insulting faces at anyone playing a musical instrument. Des Moines, Iowa: It is unlawful for any male person, playing in or attending a concert within the coporate limits of the city, to wink at any female person with whom he is unaquainted. Want more? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2193 Re: WEIRD MUSIC LAWS Grant Middleton Tue 4/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 6:55 pm Subject: Re: HEAR DAS MADCHEN Really-From: 'Greg' A reply to this message will go directly to... Greg@l... ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Re: HEAR DAS MADCHEN > Date: Monday, March 31, 1997 10:41 AM > > Really-From: 'gerryfox' > > > > > ---------- > > From: tadream mailing list > > To: tadream@c... > > Subject: HEAR DAS MADCHEN > > Date: 31 March 1997 15:44 > > > > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > > > > > > In less than five minutes from now we can download the audio file of DAS > > MADCHEN from the TD webpage, > > > I tried to down load this file but real audio would not let me because of > bandwidth or CPu problems. I've got a 166+ cpu and never had bandwith > problems before. > Did any one get a download?. if so and if its of a manageable size could > some one send me a copy? > > or was this another net cast foul up ? > > > gerry > > > > I heard the Das Madchen album, which sounded wonderful in my opinion. You need to make sure you have Real Audio Ver. 3.0 There were no breaks in the audio, even though I live in Arizona, USA.. The music plays through memory, and is gone... no download--hence no copying. Greg From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 5:48 am Subject: Re: HEAR DAS MADCHEN Really-From: Pixel > I tried to down load this file but real audio would not let me because of > bandwidth or CPu problems. I've got a 166+ cpu and never had bandwith > problems before. As I checked the page it was optimized for 64K ISDN lines. I suppose you logged in from a dialup with 14400-33600 bps but it's not enough. GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 30, 1997 6:29 pm Subject: Track Lengh and CD Quality Really-From: 'Greg' Please correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe that in order to fit a lrage amout of music on a sigle compact disk that there has to be some order of sound quality loss. I'm not sure on this, so maybe someone can help me out. I think it might actually be easier to trim some track times down than to compress music up on a CD... As far as the re-released Castle versions of older TD albums, they are much higher quality in sound probably because they were remastered my the masters themselves.. which, if memory stands correct, was tough on Edger since he never likes to listen to an album after its release. Thanks, Greg Heil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2183 Re: Track Lengh and CD Quality Brian_Kirby@p... Mon 3/31/1997 2 KB 2184 Re: Track Lengh and CD Quality Mark Filipak Mon 3/31/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 6:06 am Subject: Re: HEAR DAS MADCHEN Really-From: Pixel > I tried to down load this file but real audio would not let me because of > bandwidth or CPu problems. I've got a 166+ cpu and never had bandwith > problems before. Sorry, I took a mistake. I didn't notice there was a 28800 option on the site. Now, while I'm writing this letter I listen to the cast and works well with my 28800 modem and 486DX2/66 processor; there are no any clicks or pauses. > Did any one get a download?. if so and if its of a manageable size could > some one send me a copy? Since it's a live RealAudio broadcast it is unavailable as a file so you can't download it - only listen to. GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 9:30 pm Subject: Re: Track Lengh and CD Quality Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: 'Greg' >Please correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe that in order to fit a >lrage amout of music on a sigle compact disk that there has to be some >order of sound quality loss. I'm not sure on this, so maybe someone can >help me out. Well, to use a really pedestrian example, Metallica's 'Load' was just shy of the maximum amount of music that can be fit onto a CD, at just under 79 (or 80, I can't quite remember) minutes. And aside from the fact that the disc blew chunks, I don't think there was any technical quality loss. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 9:42 pm Subject: Re: Track Lengh and CD Quality Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Greg' > > Please correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe that in > order to fit a lrage amout of music on a sigle compact disk that > there has to be some order of sound quality loss. I'm not sure on > this, so maybe someone can help me out. The music on a regular CD is not compressed so there is no sound quality loss. Max time for a commercial CD is about 81 minutes. Max time for a CDR is about 72 minutes due to extra formatting required for CDRs. Regards -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 10:07 pm Subject: Re: HEAR DAS MADCHEN Really-From: 'gerryfox' > Really-From: 'Greg' and others > > I heard the Das Madchen album, which sounded wonderful in my opinion > Greg > Ah well ! It was worth a try Thanks for the info regards Gerry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 11:13 pm Subject: RE: AUCTION OF RARE ITEMS. Really-From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ing=2E_V=EDctor_Lescale?= I want some info on those rare? items you have. Thanks, Victor. ---------- De: tadream mailing list[SMTP:tadream@c...] Enviado: Lunes 31 de Marzo de 1997 2:21 PM Para: tadream@c... Asunto: Re: AUCTION OF RARE ITEMS. Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Jason P. Hopkins' > > Hi Fellow Dreamers, > > I'm having an auction of some rare and ultra rare CD's and vinyl. > Anyone interested in a list please e-mail me. > > --Jason. Yes please. :-) (I like ultra rare -- well done Jason!) Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 12:02 am Subject: Re: AUCTION OF RARE ITEMS. Really-From: Claude Roy I want some info about the auction At 20:28 97-03-31 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Jason P. Hopkins' > > >Hi Fellow Dreamers, > >I'm having an auction of some rare and ultra rare CD's and vinyl. Anyone >interested in a list please e-mail me. > >--Jason. > > > ___________________________________________________________ Claude Roy, Longueuil P.Q. Canada e-mail: e-mail: http://pages.infinit.net/ozzz/gci/gcimain.htm (site génie civil) http://pages.infinit.net/ozzz/cin/cinbienv.htm (site cinema) ____________________________________________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 12:39 am Subject: Froese reissues?? Really-From: dbrewer@a... Hi all! I was wondering something... Most of the few times I see Froese solo CD's in shops, they are the Virgin European ones with a Caroline sticker on the jewel case (except for Beyond the Storm). Yet, I've seen in a local Tower records Stuntman and Pinnacles (both of which I already have; Virgin w/ Caroline stickers), but they only say Caroline on the inserts. Has Caroline reissued Froese's solo albums? (in the US) If so, why haven't I seen any others? (like Epsilon, Kamikaze, Macula, Ages -- all the ones I don't have) Just curious. Dave Brewer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2203 Re: Froese reissues?? Mark Filipak Tue 4/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 3:20 am Subject: Real CDR's That will play Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Hi Gang, Such a deal I have found for you.Are you tired of those computer generated CDR's that won't play in your CD players.I have found a company here in FL that will put anything on CD for $25 per disk. R&F Productions & Compact Discs (813) 985-1070 for Randy and (813) 526-0514 for Fred They use a PDO-5 by Pioneer and they guarentee that all CD's will work in any player. I have had them put some things on CD for me and I am very happy. They have been in Tampa/St. Pete for many years and they are always at the Record and CD shows here.Randy works for the Department of Corrections and Fred works for the City of Tampa Business Licensing Department. You can Trust them with anything you send to be put on CD. So forget about using the computer and do it the right way for only $25 a disc. Tell them that Robert told you about them. Thanks from myself,Randy and Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 31, 1997 11:05 pm Subject: The 'lost' Schmoellings Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 03:04 AM 3/31/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > > >impossible to get... Clearly, he is a new collector.> > >No, it's just that I thought this list might be resourceful enough to find >what has eluded me for so long . . . :-)))) > That's very enterprising of you, but you don't know the members of this list...once they get hold of something as rare as the 'lost' Schmoelling's you would have to pry their cold dead fingers off of it. This is a joke, folks. Sort of. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 7:37 am Subject: Re: Zeit Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne > Really-From: Mark Filipak > Hi Phil. It does indeed fit on one CD. Castle did a nice job too. > Here are the track times as read directly from the CD player and as > printed on the LPs: > actual CD LP label > 1- Birth Of Liquid Plejades 19:53 20:00 > 2- Nebulous Dawn 17:56 18:00 > 3- Origin Of Supernatural Probabilities 19:34 20:12 > 4- Zeit 16:58 17:43 So that's why Zeit sounds like it ends prematurely and quite abruptly. Anyway I did listen to Zeit with Prologic and was rather surprised. Birth of Liquid Plejades was okay (not much surround information, the ending seemed to be mostly mono material) but Nebulous Dawn & Origin of Supernatural Probabilities were *great*. Lots of surround information, especially those pulsating sounds. Then I got distracted during Zeit and don't remember much of it. It probably wasn't as good on surround as NB & OoSP. Do check it out if you've got surround system. Most music doesn't sound very good but some do and Zeit is among those latter ones. -jhsa -- Stupid user error. Terminate user (Y/n) ? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 8:09 am Subject: The Orb remix - First quick impression Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne I heard yesterday the new Orb remix (the mandarine something mix) on radio. After that first (and so far only) listen I got the following impression: As an Orb track, it's above average. As a remix of the original tune, hmm, remix? Even reconstruction is quite tame term as I didn't notice *anything* at all from the original. :) Well that's Orb (or Aphex Twin remix for that matter) for you. Anyone else heard it yet? Was my impression way off? :) -jhsa PS Also Redshift was played on that show. Excellent stuff! -- Stupid user error. Terminate user (Y/n) ? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 8:38 am Subject: Re: WEIRD MUSIC LAWS Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > Want more? Absolutely ! These _actually_ made me laugh out loud (Not an IRC LOL !) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 5:32 pm Subject: Maedchen auf der Treppe Remix NetCast Really-From: 'Stefan Stapelberg' Hi fellows, for a limited test period (next one or two weeks) you can listen to the 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe 97 Remix' via RealAudio at http://www.netstore.de/tadream/livemusic/ three times per day: at 05:00 GMT (07:00 MDT), 13:00 GMT (15:00 MDT) and 21:00 GMT (23:00 MDT). See http://arachnoid.com/lutusp/worldclock.htm if you need to know which timezone you live in. You will need a frames-capable browser to display the web page (sorry, but it's a test only, not a 'production page' right now). If you enable JavaScript, you will see the time left until next cast. We currently support only 10 clients at the same time (soon to be upgraded). There are two streams being sent: a 28.8 and a ISDN (56kbps) stream, both in stereo. However, you will need RealAudio Player 3.0 or higher from http://www.real.com/ and at least a 28.8 connection to the Internet. The reason for this is that technically we could provide a 14.4 stream, but practically the sound is just too bad (14.4 is acceptable for speech, not for music and never for TD's music). We could also offer a 28.8 RA2.0 mono stream, but this would lead to the RA 3.0 player also selecting the 28.8 RA2.0 mono stream. Therefore if you can't get the stream with an older player, please upgrade to RA 3.0. Note: If you live outside Europe, you may experience substancial drop outs due to the load on the transatlantic lines. In such cases try to select 28.8 as connection speed in the preferences menu of the RA player despite the fact that more is available. Have fun! Best regards, Stefan -- Stefan Stapelberg Fon: +49-9352-89948 RENT-A-GURU (TM) Fax: +49-9352-89949 P.O. Box 1358 http://www.netstore.de/ D-97803 Lohr/Main From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 12:55 pm Subject: Poor Linda Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi All, Here's something that cropped up in conversation the other day : now that Linda has left the band and started to hunt for another engagement, any opinions as to what her CV might read? Or the kind of work she might be after? Cheers David P.S. The T-Bass competition still has relatively few entries : about seven in total! Humph! Please drop by the web page and make an entry or I really will start to believe that the list is getting apathetic... T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 1:17 pm Subject: Re: The 'lost' Schmoellings Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > > > > > are impossible to get... Clearly, he is a new collector.> > > > >No, it's just that I thought this list might be resourceful enough to > >find what has eluded me for so long . . . :-)))) > > That's very enterprising of you, but you don't know the members of > this list...once they get hold of something as rare as the 'lost' > Schmoelling's you would have to pry their cold dead fingers off of it. > > This is a joke, folks. Sort of. I've been amazed by the times folks on this list have passed up a rarity they've seen in a used bin because they already have it. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2209 Re: The 'lost' Schmoellings Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 4/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 2:43 pm Subject: MORE WEIRD LAWS Really-From: Michael A Jean Abilene TEXAS: No male person shall make remarks to or concerning, or cough or whistle at, or do any other act to attract the attention of any woman attending any concert within the boundaries of the city. Tulsa, OKLAHOMA: Males with hair growing over their upper lip may not teach a female to play a musical instrument. Regina, SASKATCHEWAN: It is illegal for a woman weighing more than 200 pounds to play a banjo or other stringed instrument while wearing shorts in public. Montreal, QUEBEC: It is illegal for any citizen to carry an ice cream cone in his or her pocket while playing drums or any musical instrument. It's also against the law to eat ice cream with a fork under the same circumstances. MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2200 Re: MORE WEIRD LAWS Brian_Kirby@p... Tue 4/1/1997 2 KB 2201 Re: MORE WEIRD LAWS Plumer, Scott Tue 4/1/1997 4 KB 2202 Re: MORE WEIRD LAWS Grant Middleton Tue 4/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 2:50 pm Subject: Re: D: Zeit Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-03-26 12:24:20 EST, you write: << It is a great album, but definetly not something to play when you're doing something else, like washing dishes etc., or when it is bright. Anything you do or can see during listening distracts too much from 'Zeit'. Zeit is really something to enjoy. >> You converted me, Armin. I remember when I joined the list 2 years ago, you said I should try Zeit and other older stuff. I had Zeit and sold it back. But after listening to more and more experimental stuff, I went back and bought the re-release on Sequel, and I think it's great, so I went out and bought Atem and AC, and enjoy them, too, though not as much as Zeit. A strong 4AS - even though I think I only gave it a low 2AS when I first cast my vote. Great spacey, slowly evolving pieces. Phil D. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17912 D: Zeit PhilPDX@xxx.xxx Mon 9/20/1999 2 KB 17992 D: Zeit Armin Theissen Wed 9/22/1999 2 KB 18011 Re: D: Zeit PNaunton@xxx.xxx Thu 9/23/1999 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 3:07 pm Subject: Listserv problem? Really-From: feldon@n... I have received no messages from the Tadream mailing list for 10 days. Is the server down or perhaps I've been unsubscribed? Morgan Marks feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2204 Re: Listserv problem? Marcel Engels Tue 4/1/1997 2 KB 2207 Re: Listserv problem? Mark Filipak Tue 4/1/1997 2 KB 2211 Re: Listserv problem? Mark Filipak Tue 4/1/1997 2 KB 2267 Re: Listserv problem? PNaunton@a... Thu 4/3/1997 2 KB 2276 Re: Listserv problem? Mark Filipak Thu 4/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 3:26 pm Subject: Re: MORE WEIRD LAWS Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: Michael A Jean >Montreal, QUEBEC: It is illegal for any citizen to carry an ice cream cone >in his or her pocket while playing drums or any musical instrument. It's >also against the law to eat ice cream with a fork under the same >circumstances. What's so weird about this? This law is obviously intended to staunch the flow of musicians who are sticking ice cream cones in their pants and then suing the maker of the cone when they just 'happen' to injure themselves at a gig. Evidently none of you remember the April Wine incident on the Montreal stop of their reunion tour last year that set the precedent for this case. Yeah, some of those laws are silly, but I think frivolous lawsuits really do need to be nipped in the bud, no matter how ridiculous the regulations may seem to those not in the know. -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 3:57 pm Subject: RE: MORE WEIRD LAWS >Montreal, QUEBEC: It is illegal for any citizen to carry an ice cream cone >in his or her pocket while playing drums or any musical instrument. It's >also against the law to eat ice cream with a fork under the same >circumstances. Very amusing, but I wonder how many of these are for real. There is one law I have actually seen in the Ohio Revised Code that says that it is unlawful for places where alcohol is served to allow indecent, profane or obscene songs or other entertainment. (ORC 4301:1-1-52.) Punishments include revocation of license for up to one year and /or up to a $1000 fine. Still on the books. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 4:14 pm Subject: Re: MORE WEIRD LAWS Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: Michael A Jean Fantastic work, Michael. Keep it up ! > Regina, SASKATCHEWAN: It is illegal for a woman weighing more than 200 > pounds to play a banjo or other stringed instrument while wearing shorts > in public. TD content follows :- Edinburgh, Scotland: It is illegal for foxy looking sax players to appear on stage with skirts measuring more than 5 inches. > Montreal, QUEBEC: It is illegal for any citizen to carry an ice cream cone > in his or her pocket while playing drums or any musical instrument. It's > also against the law to eat ice cream with a fork under the same > circumstances. Boulder, Colorado: It is illegal for Ben & Jerry's to manufacture ice cream with the name 'Tangerine Dream' because the Froese's have no sense of humour. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 4:21 pm Subject: Re: Froese reissues?? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: dbrewer@a... -snip- > Has Caroline reissued Froese's solo albums? (in the US) If so, why > haven't I seen any others? (like Epsilon, Kamikaze, Macula, Ages -- all > the ones I don't have) Just curious. Hi Dave. Caroline is a division of Virgin (as is Blue Plate I believe). Virgin Industries Ltd sold Virgin Records to EMI in 1992 with a stipulation that the name 'Virgin' be retained. I think Caroline was an existing EMI company that was transferred to the newly acquired Virgin division shortly after EMI bought Virgin as part of a consolidation. Virgin Industries still owns the airline, vodka, cola, and is now in competiton with it's former record business as Virgin Ind also owns the Virgin Megastores while EMI (the owner of Virgin Records) also owns HMV. Confused yet? And 'Macula Transfer' and 'Ages' have never been issued on CD. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 5:05 pm Subject: Re: Listserv problem? Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: feldon@n... > > > I have received no messages from the Tadream mailing list for 10 days. Is > the server down or perhaps I've been unsubscribed? Yesterday I got about 40 very weird messages. Something about subscribing to the Anthrax or satan list. And the past few days I got about 5 messages per day. This is not the usual amount, which is about 25. Today I got 26, so maybe things are better now. *very* strange. Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 5:15 pm Subject: Zeit - LP owners please help Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > Hi Phil. It does indeed fit on one CD. Castle did a nice job too. > > Here are the track times as read directly from the CD player and as > > printed on the LPs: > > actual CD LP label > > 1- Birth Of Liquid Plejades 19:53 20:00 > > 2- Nebulous Dawn 17:56 18:00 > > 3- Origin Of Supernatural Probabilities 19:34 20:12 > > 4- Zeit 16:58 17:43 > > So that's why Zeit sounds like it ends prematurely and quite abruptly. A request to owners of the LP. Would one of you please time the LP tracks and/or compare them audibly with the end of the CD tracks to finally answer the question: Are the CD tracks abridged? Sorry, but based on experience, I don't trust the times listed on the LP labels. Thanks -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2266 Re: Zeit - LP owners please help PNaunton@a... Thu 4/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 5:22 pm Subject: tangerine dream questions Really-From: slawlor Hi there. Unfortunately, I can't comment on zeit since I haven't heard it forever, but I do remember listening to side 3 of the album, whatever track that is, and my girlfriend's dad at the time asked what that racket was, and she told him that there was a pot of boiling water on the stove. I guess she didn't want her dat to think that I was too weird or something. From what I remember of this album, i liked the first track the best and got bored with the rest of it, but I want to get it on cd, since I'm kind of getting into some space and experimental kinds of things now. Two questions. what is das madchen, and what does largo mean? I imagin largo isa musical term of some kind? thanks for the information. scott K. Lawlor http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2212 Re: tangerine dream questions dbrewer@a... Tue 4/1/1997 3 KB 2214 Re: tangerine dream questions Mark Filipak Tue 4/1/1997 3 KB 2252 Re: tangerine dream questions Mark Filipak Wed 4/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 5:20 pm Subject: Re: Listserv problem? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: feldon@n... > > I have received no messages from the Tadream mailing list for 10 days. > Is the server down or perhaps I've been unsubscribed? > > Morgan Marks > feldon@n... Hi Morgan. I just did 'who tadream' and 'who tadream-digest' commands to majordomo and you are not there. Bitch to Dave as I believe majordomo is too trigger happy about unsubbing people who's pop servers go down momentarily. Regards -- Mark (Posted to the list so all will know.) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: CD-R Really-From: Jerry Kindall On 04/01/97 03:03 AM, Mark Filipak wrote: >The music on a regular CD is not compressed so there is no sound quality >loss. Max time for a commercial CD is about 81 minutes. Max time for a >CDR is about 72 minutes due to extra formatting required for CDRs. Actually, the fact that the CD-R can hold less music than a commercial CD is not due to 'extra formatting.' It's due to the fact that on a commercial CD, the spiral track can be made slightly narrower than usual to cram more music on. This is not strictly by the CD specs, but it works on most players. However, on a CD-R, the spiral track is created at the factory and strictly adheres to the CD standard, thus 72 minutes. I have heard that there are manufacturers experimenting with 80-minute CD-R blanks, but they are not reliable on all CD-R drives because of their non-standard nature. A CD-R drive has tighter tolerance than a regular CD, I guess. -- Jerry Kindall Manual Labor Technical Writing; Internet & WWW Consulting Author of the Web Motion Encyclopedia The comprehensive animation and video reference for Web designers Coming Summer '97 from Waite Group Press Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7524 Re: CD-R Hilmar Kraft Tue 10/7/1997 4 KB 7539 Re: CD-R Marcel Engels Wed 10/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 11:43 am Subject: Re: The 'lost' Schmoellings Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 05:17 AM 4/1/97 -0800, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak > > >> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >> >Really-From: AslanFan1@a... >> > >> >> > are impossible to get... Clearly, he is a new collector.> >> > >> >No, it's just that I thought this list might be resourceful enough to >> >find what has eluded me for so long . . . :-)))) >> >> That's very enterprising of you, but you don't know the members of >> this list...once they get hold of something as rare as the 'lost' >> Schmoelling's you would have to pry their cold dead fingers off of it. >> >> This is a joke, folks. Sort of. > >I've been amazed by the times folks on this list have passed up a rarity >they've seen in a used bin because they already have it. -- Mark >From your mouth to God's ears. :-) Mystery Tracks 1, anyone? How about Reims Cathedral? Sonambulstic Imagery? :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 6:05 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream 5 CD Brick Really-From: Vic Rek Anybody pick up The Brick yet? Probably many on this list already have all 5 releases. But anyway, here's some information on it: US Miramar 09006-23088-2 (as stated on the cardboard sleeve), released 1997 The CDs are: 1. Canyon Dreams 2. Rockoon 3. 220 Volt Live 4. Turn of the Tides 5. Tyranny of Beauty The CDs are identical to the single ones in the US stores (can't speak for Europe on this). The cardboard sleeve has a free poster offer (provided you have proof of purchase & $3.00) for either: 1. 1992 tour poster (b/w) 2. Three Phase/220 Volt Live 3. True North or 'others'? Other video/catalog offers are also mentioned on the sleeve. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 6:15 pm Subject: Re: Listserv problem? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > > > > > I have received no messages from the Tadream mailing list for 10 > > days. Is the server down or perhaps I've been unsubscribed? > > Yesterday I got about 40 very weird messages. Something about > subscribing to the Anthrax or satan list. ... Oh, oh! Marcel, you aren't running the Linda Blair screen saver are you? -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 6:37 pm Subject: Re: tangerine dream questions Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: slawlor > > Two questions. what is das madchen, and what does largo mean? I imagin > largo isa musical term of some kind? thanks for the information. > Das Madchen... is a single TD put out in the early 80's as kind of a mini soundtrack for an episode of a German tv show called Tatort. Is that what you wanted to know? You're correct in figuring that largo is a musical term. Largo as a tempo designates a tempo of around 60 beats per minute, IIRC. In general, largo could also refer to any piece that progresses very slowly (like Zeit), or simply has some kind of slow tempo (like Handel's Largo). Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 6:37 pm Subject: compilations Really-From: 'Martynas Storasta' Hi all folks, good news from Lithuania (Baltic State) - people get used to listen and buy TD issues. Here some questions: are the compilations 'Private Music Of TD' and 'The Story Of TD' quite good or I need some more releases to complete my collection of compilations? Please, recommend only good ones (don't mention 'Book Of Dreams' with its ridiculous shortened versions of serious tracks). And what about their older recordings - they seem to be really nice - have any ideas about 'nice-price' CDs or something with the grteatest excerpts from 'em, ah ? Martynas Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2217 Re: compilations Greg Heil Tue 4/1/1997 3 KB 2219 Re: compilations Vic Rek Tue 4/1/1997 2 KB 24726 Re: compilations Owens, James Tue 10/31/2000 3 KB 24753 Re: compilations Armin Theissen Wed 11/1/2000 2 KB 24754 Re: compilations Craig Chambers Wed 11/1/2000 2 KB 24757 Re: compilations Armin Theissen Wed 11/1/2000 2 KB 24781 Re: compilations Joe Shoults Thu 11/2/2000 2 KB 29585 Re: compilations John Vertical Wed 10/17/2001 2 KB 29597 Re: compilations Geir Smedsrud Wed 10/17/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 6:34 pm Subject: Re: tangerine dream questions Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: slawlor > > Two questions. what is das madchen, and what does largo mean? I > imagin largo isa musical term of some kind? thanks for the information. > > scott K. Lawlor > http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe' is German for 'The Girl on the Steps' which I assume refers to a set of stairs and not the Russian plains. This was a theme for a German TV series called 'Tatort' which I think was an action mystery series (people from Germany, please come to my rescue here!) The tune itself is said to be a reworking of 'White Eagle' but I haven't heard it myself. Largo means 'slowly' in Italan and refers to the tempo at which a piece of music is to be performed. Here are the various tempo directions for classical music: largo (It, large, slowly) - as slowly as possible larghetto (It, a little slowly) adagio (It, at ease) andante (It, walk) allegretto (It, a little lively) allego (It, lively) presto (It, quick) prestissimo (It, very quick) - as fast as possible But these terms have come to mean more than just musical directions but the characterization of the pieces themselves, so when a composition is referred to as a 'largo', it is a composition that is to be played as slowly as possible. School's over. Test tomorrow. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 5:50 pm Subject: Sv: Zeit - LP owners please help Really-From: 'Peter Ravn' Hi I have the double CD issue from Relativity. The 2 CD's together runs for 74 min 35 sec. So it can easily be on one CD. Peter Ravn ---------- > Fra: tadream mailing list > Til: tadream@c... > Emne: Zeit - LP owners please help > Dato: 1. april 1997 19:15 > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne > > > > > Really-From: Mark Filipak > > > > > Hi Phil. It does indeed fit on one CD. Castle did a nice job too. > > > Here are the track times as read directly from the CD player and as > > > printed on the LPs: > > > actual CD LP label > > > 1- Birth Of Liquid Plejades 19:53 20:00 > > > 2- Nebulous Dawn 17:56 18:00 > > > 3- Origin Of Supernatural Probabilities 19:34 20:12 > > > 4- Zeit 16:58 17:43 > > > > So that's why Zeit sounds like it ends prematurely and quite abruptly. > > A request to owners of the LP. Would one of you please time the LP > tracks and/or compare them audibly with the end of the CD tracks to > finally answer the question: Are the CD tracks abridged? > > Sorry, but based on experience, I don't trust the times listed on the LP > labels. > > Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 7:34 pm Subject: ZLATKO Really-From: Michael A Jean Is Zlatko really back in the band, or this an APril Fool's prank? MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 8:27 pm Subject: Re: compilations Really-From: Greg Heil tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Martynas Storasta' > > Hi all folks, > > good news from Lithuania (Baltic State) - people get used to listen and buy > TD issues. > Here some questions: > are the compilations 'Private Music Of TD' and 'The Story Of TD' quite good > or I need some more releases to complete my collection of compilations? > Please, recommend only good ones (don't mention 'Book Of Dreams' with its > ridiculous shortened versions of serious tracks). > > And what about their older recordings - they seem to be really nice - have > any ideas about 'nice-price' CDs or something with the grteatest excerpts > from 'em, ah ? > > Martynas The compilation 'The Private Music of Tangerine Dream' was my first T-Dream CD and is still one of my favorites. Also, you will find the song 'Roaring of the Bliss' and 'Beaver Town' only on this album. Both songs are works under the Edgar and Jerome lineup.. this album was released in 1992. Track Listing: 1. Melrose (from Melrose) 5:44 2. Too Hot For My Chinchilla (From Lilly On The Beach) 3:51 3. Long Island Sunset (From Lily On The Beach) 7:11 4. Atlas Eyes (From Optical Race) 4:04 5. Sun Gate (From Optical Race) 4:44 6. Rolling Down Cahuenga (From Melrose) 6:43 7. Three Bikes In The Sky (From Melrose) 5:58 8. After The Call (From Miracle Mile) 5:11 9 Electric Lion (From Melrose) 8:13 10. Dolls In THe Shadow (From Melrose) 5:10 11. Beaver Town 4:15 12. Roaring Of THe Bliss 5:00 Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 8:33 pm Subject: Sv: ZLATKO Really-From: 'Peter Ravn' I guess we will not know that before next year, BUT I have no doubt about what I hope it is...... ---------- > Fra: tadream mailing list > Til: tadream@c... > Emne: ZLATKO > Dato: 1. april 1997 21:34 > > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > > Is Zlatko really back in the band, or this an APril Fool's prank? > > MJ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2220 Re: Sv: ZLATKO Brian_Kirby@p... Tue 4/1/1997 2 KB 2223 Re: Sv: ZLATKO Sean Montgomery Tue 4/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 8:53 pm Subject: Re: compilations Really-From: Vic Rek >Here some questions: >are the compilations 'Private Music Of TD' and 'The Story Of TD' quite good > >Martynas > Hi Martynas, I'm not sure, but is 'The Story of TD' getting harder to find these days? I haven't seem one in the US for a while. If it is available at a nice price, I would probably pick it up. Again, this is one of those Jive Pink/Blue year compilations on 2 CDs, so beware. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 9:12 pm Subject: Re: Sv: ZLATKO Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: 'Peter Ravn' >I guess we will not know that before next year, BUT I have no doubt about >what I hope it is...... Well, if it is an April Fool's Day joke, it's a good one. Frankly, I'm terrified that it isn't. -B. Kirby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2223 Re: Sv: ZLATKO Sean Montgomery Tue 4/1/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 9:19 pm Subject: GIG's Really-From: ashok prema Can some kind soul provide a telephone number for the Milkweg venue in Amsterdam so I can check on ticket availability for the TD concert on the 20th ?? The thought of it being sold out on arrival is not pleasant!! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 9:25 pm Subject: Das Maedchen auf der Treppe (Remix 1997) Really-From: Gary Struhlik I got the stream on 04/01/97 23:00-23:15 (GMT+2) very successfully ! The quality was very good (my connection rate was 40 bps). Great idea TD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks to my internet provider for the connection rate. Gary S. /==============================================================\ |My new eMail address is gary.struhlik@b... | |Please use this eMail address only !!! | |Meine neue eMail Adresse lautet gary.struhlik@b... | |Bitte benutzen Sie nur diese eMail Adresse !!! | \==============================================================/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 9:49 pm Subject: Re: Sv: ZLATKO Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Well, if it is an April Fool's Day joke, it's a good one. Frankly, I'm > terrified that it isn't. Same here. The TD Web Page has not distinguished itself in the humour department. So much for a return to total electronics! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 10:09 pm Subject: Re: DAT compatibility (no TD content) Really-From: feldon@n... >Hi Gang, > It just occurred to me: why haven't any of the ltd. ed. CD-Rs >been made into widely-distributed regular CD boots? For example, I >don't think it's too easy to get ahold of DIGITAL MATRIX 70/90, RARE >TRAX 1, or TRANSFORMATION right now . . . and it sure would be nice if >*somebody* released the first disc from THREE TIER DREAM separately so >people like me wouldn't have to pay for the other two if they're not in >any hurry to hear live stuff from those two periods. I would *LOVE* to buy the first tier of Tier Dream and then burn copies of it on CD. The lowest price I could sell these copies for is $20. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 10:42 pm Subject: Really-From: feldon@n... Greg@l... said: >>Please correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe that in order to fit a >>lrage amout of music on a sigle compact disk that there has to be some >>order of sound quality loss. I'm not sure on this, so maybe someone can >>help me out. > >Well, to use a really pedestrian example, Metallica's 'Load' was just shy of the >maximum amount of music that can be fit onto a CD, at just under 79 (or 80, I >can't quite remember) minutes. And aside from the fact that the disc blew >chunks, I don't think there was any technical quality loss. I have never heard of a 'compressed' CD format. As far as I know, all CDs are 16 bit, 44 kHz, stereo. At least, that's what it says in the settings window of my friend's CD-burner! Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2228 Re: Greg Tue 4/1/1997 3 KB 2397 - Sun 4/6/1997 2 KB 2466 Martynas Storasta Tue 4/8/1997 2 KB 2706 Darren L Oswald Tue 4/15/1997 2 KB 2777 Tomohiro Goto Fri 4/18/1997 2 KB 3007 Grant Middleton Thu 4/24/1997 3 KB 3073 ashok prema Fri 4/25/1997 5 KB 3101 Re: feldon@n... Sat 4/26/1997 5 KB 3262 oncica bogdan Wed 4/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 10:52 pm Subject: Helpful or Outright solicitation? Really-From: feldon@n... >Really-From: Robert Grabowsky > >Hi Gang, > Such a deal I have found for you.Are you tired of those computer generated >CDR's that won't play in your CD players.I have found a company here in FL that >will put anything on CD for $25 per disk. I'll put anything on a CD for $20 per disc. And they play in any CD player, I guarantee. >They use a PDO-5 by Pioneer and they guarentee that all CD's will work in >any player. >I have had them put some things on CD for me and I am very happy. > > They have been in Tampa/St. Pete for many years and they are always at >the Record and CD shows here. > So forget about using the computer and do it the right way for only $25 a >disc. 'Act Now! this is a limited time offer!' is ringing through my brain! > > Tell them that Robert told you about them. Hmmm... > Thanks from myself,Randy and Fred Hmmm... Morgan feldon@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2229 Re: Helpful or Outright solicitation? Robert Grabowsky Wed 4/2/1997 3 KB 2230 Re: Helpful or Outright solicitation? feldon@n... Wed 4/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 11:05 pm Subject: Zlatko's back??? Really-From: Gabe Yedid Hey all, anyone else want to comment on this? Latest news on the TD page says that this Marc Alexej won't be accompanying the band on tour--Zlatko's back! Does this mean that Seattle-era TD won't be dying as fast as we'd hoped (even though it IS time for a change)? Or will Ed's approach be to give Zlatko a VG8 and say, 'Just Dream with it!' ;) Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 1, 1997 11:35 pm Subject: Re: Really-From: 'Greg' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: > Date: Tuesday, April 01, 1997 3:42 PM > > Really-From: feldon@n... > > > > Greg@l... said: > > >>Please correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe that in order to fit a > >>lrage amout of music on a sigle compact disk that there has to be some > >>order of sound quality loss. I'm not sure on this, so maybe someone can > >>help me out. > > > >Well, to use a really pedestrian example, Metallica's 'Load' was just shy > of the > >maximum amount of music that can be fit onto a CD, at just under 79 (or 80, I > >can't quite remember) minutes. And aside from the fact that the disc blew > >chunks, I don't think there was any technical quality loss. > > I have never heard of a 'compressed' CD format. As far as I know, all CDs > are 16 bit, 44 kHz, stereo. At least, that's what it says in the settings > window of my friend's CD-burner! > > Morgan > feldon@n... Compact Discs do not spin at the same RPM through a whole album... the higher the track number, the slower the CD will spin. If it is the CD itself that controls the RPM speed, then it is therefore possible to run a CD at a slower speed, yet 'fit' more audio on a single 'groove' of information on a CD... the audio would be lower quality.. But hey, my theory.. you can call me nuts if you want ;) Greg.. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 3:12 am Subject: Re: Helpful or Outright solicitation? Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Just trying to help you people get QUALITY recordings and not having to worry about will it play in my player. I get nothing from these people for you people using their services. If you don't like it don't use their service. By the way Morgan, what machine are you using to make your CD's? Robert At 10:52 PM 4/1/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: feldon@n... > > >>Really-From: Robert Grabowsky >> >>Hi Gang, >> Such a deal I have found for you.Are you tired of those computer generated >>CDR's that won't play in your CD players.I have found a company here in FL >that >>will put anything on CD for $25 per disk. > >I'll put anything on a CD for $20 per disc. And they play in any CD player, >I guarantee. > >>They use a PDO-5 by Pioneer and they guarentee that all CD's will work in >>any player. >>I have had them put some things on CD for me and I am very happy. >> >> They have been in Tampa/St. Pete for many years and they are always at >>the Record and CD shows here. > >> So forget about using the computer and do it the right way for only $25 a >>disc. > >'Act Now! this is a limited time offer!' is ringing through my brain! > >> >> Tell them that Robert told you about them. > >Hmmm... > >> Thanks from myself,Randy and Fred > >Hmmm... > > >Morgan >feldon@n... > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 4:24 am Subject: Re: Helpful or Outright solicitation? Really-From: feldon@n... At 03:12 AM 4/2/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: Robert Grabowsky > >Just trying to help you people get QUALITY recordings and not having to >worry about will it play in my player. The one I'm using is trouble-free. I have been listening to the CD I made of Logos for almost two weeks in my car. >I get nothing from these people for you people using their services. The way you phrased things in the note really sounded like you were getting some kind of compensation for advertising. Sorry if I was mistaken. >If you don't like it don't use their service. I just happened to know someone locally that I can burn CDs that are fully cross-compatible with any old audio CD player--as your source seems to meet. >By the way Morgan, what machine are you using to make your CD's? I'll have to find out. It's a really sweet multi-session CD burner. The software is Easy CD, so you can do 100% audio, 100% data, mixed-mode (which works VERY well), Photo CD, and so on. The Logos CD I did, I burned the disc with 'write-at-once' which means *no gaps* between tracks. It's indexed like 220 Volt Live but there's no break between tracks. I have produced this Logos CD from the fantape recording of the concert (not from Logotypes, unfortunately) and it sounds very good. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 4:19 am Subject: Maximum amount of music on a CD Really-From: 'Eric Edward Haas' According to the original standard, the maximum amount of music you could fit on a CD was 74 minutes. CD manufacturers found out that by tweaking the standard a little, they could squeeze in a few more minutes. =================================================== 'Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.' -- Oscar Wilde =================================================== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 5:12 am Subject: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' Hello Dreamers, I just returned from Spring Break and am happy to say that I really missed you guys. I had a few interesting experiences as well. I went to my Uncle's house in Oregon and he had a copy of Kraftwerk's Man-Machine and Jarre's Oxygene on vinyl. Since I had never heard either of them, I put them on and was amazed to find out that despite the differences to TD's material, I absolutely loved both Kraftwerk and Jarre. Kraftwerk had some interesting melodies and it gave me a creepy feeling to listen to. (I like creepy feelings) The Jarre was very good as well an while it seemed to lack form, and the general flow of TD, I really liked it. Just a few thoughts from a new listener. Also, today I found a 12' copy of Edgar Froese's Epsilon in Malaysian Pale. I put it on hold in the store I found it in since I didn't have any money. Can anyone tell me anyhting about it? I have Aqua and really like it. Information please? Good night, Maxwell (yes, I'm still on the list, though I've been a little silent) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2233 Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Grant Middleton Wed 4/2/1997 4 KB 2242 Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon TWeibre361@a... Wed 4/2/1997 2 KB 2249 Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon gary.cresswell1@v... Wed 4/2/1997 3 KB 2271 Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Paul Nagle Thu 4/3/1997 3 KB 2294 Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 4/3/1997 3 KB 2285 Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Steve McCready Thu 4/3/1997 3 KB 2269 Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Grant Middleton Thu 4/3/1997 5 KB 2299 Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Tony Marshall Thu 4/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 8:09 am Subject: Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' > > Hello Dreamers, > I just returned from Spring Break and am happy to say that I really > missed you guys. I had a few interesting experiences as well. I went > to my Uncle's house in Oregon and he had a copy of Kraftwerk's > Man-Machine and Jarre's Oxygene on vinyl. Since I had never heard > either of them, I put them on and was amazed to find out that despite > the differences to TD's material, I absolutely loved both Kraftwerk > and Jarre. Kraftwerk had some interesting melodies and it gave me a > creepy feeling to listen to. (I like creepy feelings) The Jarre was > very good as well an while it seemed to lack form, and the general > flow of TD, I really liked it. Just a few thoughts from a new > listener. Welcome aboard on both counts ! Try to track down Autobahn by Kraftwerk and Oxygene 7-13 by Jarre. If you liked the two albums you mentioned, you'll like the other two. > Also, today I found a 12' copy of Edgar Froese's Epsilon in Malaysian > Pale. I put it on hold in the store I found it in since I didn't have > any money. Can anyone tell me anyhting about it? I have Aqua and > really like it. Information please? Buy it. Now ! Sell your grannie. Sell your dog. Sell your dog's grannie. It's one of the most beautiful pieces of Mellotron you'll ever hear and I've been looking for it on CD for quite a while. (Gosh, I actually said somthing nice about Edgar !) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 4:09 pm Subject: Dream Experience to Share Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Is my obsession with searching out those TD albums getting to me? Last night, I dreamt I was in a record shop, looking through a bin, where I spotted various new TD boots : Tangerine Dream - Air Sculpture (sorry John) the cover of this was sepia brown with black relief, showing Edgar (foreground, side-on), Chris and Johannes (background, face-on, sitting). The track list on the back meant nothing to me. Tangerine Dream - Shorts the cover of this was similar to Sounds and Effects (i.e. title above main picture against black background), although the actual picture was close-ups of Edgar, Chris and Johannes, very colourful - touched up. This had only one track (can't remember the name) and only lasted 41 seconds. The cost? stlg7! there was a third one which I didn't get a good look at but the cover had the same photo that appeared on Shorts superimposed on a picture of Queen (the group, not the person)! Unfortunately, I woke up before I could buy or hear any of these. Any dream analysts out there want to interpret this for me? LET ME RE-ITERATE, THIS WAS A DREAM. FIRST PERSON TO ASK ME WHERE THEY CAN FIND THESE NEW BOOTS GETS A SLAP!!! --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2235 We are lucky! Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 4/2/1997 2 KB 2236 Re: Dream Experience to Share Grant Middleton Wed 4/2/1997 3 KB 2237 Re: Dream Experience to Share John Christian Wed 4/2/1997 3 KB 2239 Re: Dream Experience to Share Vincent Goudreault Wed 4/2/1997 3 KB 2243 Re: Dream Experience to Share Craig R. J. Cordrey Wed 4/2/1997 3 KB 2245 Re: Dream Experience to Share Vincent Goudreault Wed 4/2/1997 4 KB 2251 Re: Dream Experience to Share Mark Filipak Wed 4/2/1997 2 KB 2253 Re: Dream Experience to Share Mark Filipak Wed 4/2/1997 2 KB 2256 Re: Dream Experience to Share Sean Montgomery Wed 4/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 2:57 am Subject: We are lucky! Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Folks, we are lucky! I was running out of TD stuff to listen to.... the prog rock groups hold little of interest to me... man, what a crowd. Whatever they recommended sucked big time. But we have among us, here, a bunch of folks who I am proud to have met, albeit only electronically. First Paul Nagle brought wonder into my ears with his Tetralogy (methinks Earthshaper is the best). Then David Hughes with his 'The Infection of Time' made me wish I were talented. Now Ashok Prema's 'Of Times and Places,' with its lyrical melodies and marvelous Eastern rhythms made my tax-filing afternoon a plesant endeavor. These true descendants of TD are everything I was looking for. Thanks, gentlemen. You made my year. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 10:10 am Subject: Re: Dream Experience to Share Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > Is my obsession with searching out those TD albums getting > to me? > > Last night, I dreamt I was in a record shop, looking > through a bin, where I spotted various new TD boots : > > > Tangerine Dream - Shorts as in Bart Simpson saying 'Eat my .....' ? Perhaps, given the quality of their recent output it should have been called 'Pants'. (Apologies to all those who like the recent stuff best - I just couldn't resist the cheap jibe) > Unfortunately, I woke up before I could buy or hear any of > these. Any dream analysts out there want to interpret this > for me? Sorry, Craig. It means you're a total fruitcake. There is no hope for you. > LET ME RE-ITERATE, THIS WAS A DREAM. FIRST PERSON TO ASK ME > WHERE THEY CAN FIND THESE NEW BOOTS GETS A SLAP!!! New Boots and Panties ??? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 9:35 am Subject: Re: Dream Experience to Share Really-From: John Christian >Last night, I dreamt I was in a record shop, looking >through a bin, where I spotted various new TD boots : > >Tangerine Dream - Air Sculpture (sorry John) S'alright Craig...just a few adjustments to the orbital mind-control lasers...AirSculpture boot called Tangerine Dream...must buy...must buy...There we go, tonights dream should be right. Spookily enough a couple of nights ago I was having a TD dream. I was thinking back over the concerts I had been to, then I suddenly realised that one of them was in fact a memory of a previously dreamed concert. I woke up and could then remember the old dream, which was a very long and lucid one from maybe 5 years ago. Sadly I just get flashes of it, and no music! John -- John Christian - mail:john@p... AirSculpture Try out WebMaze at From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Upcoming tour Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... Hello all, There is a new interview with Edgar (in German) on the TD Home page, in which he talks about, amongst other things, the European tour. Any thoughts of a radical change in TD's direction are herewith blown out of the water. From the description he gives (old stuff in the first half, stuff from the last four years in the second) it's going to be more or less the same set as Shepherd's Bush, especially as said concert is referred to as a warm-up for the tour. Combine that with the re-appearance of Zlatko and it doesn't seem as if there'll be much new to report at all. Wonder how they'll handle the sax parts? Having said all that, it looks like we'll be making the trip to Amsterdam, and we'll probably be spending the weekend there. Are there any plans for a pre-concert get together on the Sunday? What about the Saturday night? Any Dutch folks fancy showing us around the town? :-) Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2246 Re: Upcoming tour Brian_Kirby@p... Wed 4/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 1:35 pm Subject: Re: Dream Experience to Share Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Apr 2, 9:09am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Dream Experience to Share > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > Is my obsession with searching out those TD albums getting > to me? > > Last night, I dreamt I was in a record shop, looking > through a bin, where I spotted various new TD boots : (...) > > Unfortunately, I woke up before I could buy or hear any of > these. Any dream analysts out there want to interpret this > for me? > Craig, I am not a dream analyst, but from the look of things, you are INDEED obsessed with TD music. I believe this denotes: - taste - sophistication - higher than average IQ - extreme charm and savvy with the ladies - etc. Don't fight it. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 1:42 pm Subject: Monografie Really-From: Vic Rek Can anyone (especially our members in Italy) obtain the CD and book 'Monografie Musica Electronica II'. The is a Various Artists (VA) sampler with the 'Turn of the Tides' track on it. I e-mailed 'New Age Music and Sounds' a few times and nobody replied. They have an English and Italy version of their page so I wonder why there is no reply. Any information on obtaining this magazine + CD would be appreciated. Maybe if someone could provide a request in Italian, then I would get a response? Thanks, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 1:55 pm Subject: VA - the best of New Age Really-From: Vic Rek Well, here's some more information on another sampler featuring a track by TD. The title of this sampler brings an uneasy feeling to me, but that's for another post. Details: the best of New Age - Germany Arcade 88 00 274, 2 CDs, 1994 Comes in a 'nice' glossy double CD foldout digipak. Rumors have it that re-issues (yes, re-issues) of this compilation by the Arcade label will NOT include TD. Comes with a nice booklet showing related album covers by each band. CD 2, Track 1: TD - Shy People (no vocals) 5:02, 1987 Other featured bands (in order): CD 1: Nova, Gandalf, Blonker, G.E.N.E., Gomer Edwin Evans, Dancing Fantasy, Marc Glenroy, Deuter, Carsten Schnell, Oliver Shanti & Friends, Teekay, Asha Quinn, Bill Rhodes, John Kerr, Peter Seiler, Michael Garrison, Terry Marshall CD 2: TD, Cusco, Rick Wakeman, Software, Peru, Jolly Kunjappu, Coen Bais, Oliver Serano-Alve, Johnny Voorbogt, Joerg Strawe, Frank Fisher, Roland Sante, Sky, Inkarnation, Ron Boots, Ed Starink & Peter Weekers, Freeze Frame, Ryuichi Sakamoto From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 2:31 pm Subject: Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-02 04:06:08 EST, you write: << Welcome aboard on both counts ! Try to track down Autobahn by Kraftwerk and Oxygene 7-13 by Jarre. If you liked the two albums you mentioned, you'll like the other two. >> also, dont forget Radioactivity.... seminal.... tom w np: bernocchi/laswell/harris - equations of eternity From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 10:32 pm Subject: Re: Dream Experience to Share Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > I am not a dream analyst, but from the look of things, you are INDEED > obsessed with TD music. I believe this denotes: > - taste > - sophistication > - higher than average IQ Up to this point, I believed you, and I'm sure a lot of other people could sympathise and equate. However, the next line (in my case at least) is complete poppycock. > - extreme charm and savvy with the ladies > - etc. Does this mean 1. I'm unfortunate (i.e. all other TD fans possess this trait as well as the other three)? 2. You're fortunate because you do possess this trait in addition to the other three (the normal TD fan traits) 3. You're taking the p**s? The only 'lady' I've ever been savvy with is the one who is now my wife. Is this good or bad? Great new thread : do TD fans sleep around a lot? (Only joking!) > Don't fight it. If I had it, you bet I wouldn't! N.P. Power of Seven - System 7 --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 2:43 pm Subject: MUSIC LAWS 3 Really-From: Michael A Jean Baton Rouge, LOUISIANA: It is illegal for anyone to be seen playing a fiddle while riding an ugly horse in the city park. Sioux Falls, SOUTH DAKOTA: No couple, whether married or unmarried, may kiss during a concert or while a band is playing for longer than 3 minutes. Atlanta, GEORGIA: Those kissing while playing in a band are required to pause for a breath between each kiss. Rochester, NEW YORK: Under no circumstances are young women allowed to drink coffee after 6 PM while playing in a band or orchestra. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 3:50 pm Subject: Re: Dream Experience to Share Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Apr 2, 3:32pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: Dream Experience to Share > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > > I am not a dream analyst, but from the look of things, you are INDEED > > obsessed with TD music. I believe this denotes: > > - taste > > - sophistication > > - higher than average IQ > > Up to this point, I believed you, and I'm sure a lot of > other people could sympathise and equate. However, the next > line (in my case at least) is complete poppycock. > > > - extreme charm and savvy with the ladies > > - etc. > > Does this mean > 1. I'm unfortunate (i.e. all other TD fans possess this > trait as well as the other three)? Err... Dunno. I'm still working on my OWN case... > 2. You're fortunate because you do possess this trait in > addition to the other three (the normal TD fan traits) As stated above, I am essentially hopeful on that last item. I'll keep you posted on future developments... ;-) > 3. You're taking the p**s? Sorry, I can't figure out which letters the '*' stand for. You'll have to enlighten me. > > The only 'lady' I've ever been savvy with is the one who is > now my wife. Is this good or bad? Great new thread : do TD > fans sleep around a lot? (Only joking!) Well, that worked good enough for the one main lady in you life, didn't it? Perhaps she's also enjoying TD music, which would make you a very lucky man indeed. > > > Don't fight it. > > If I had it, you bet I wouldn't! > Tsk tsk tsk... Did I forget to add that TD fans are also notoriously faithful, for they choose their mate well enough to start? Now, that explains why I am still single: haven't met the right one yet. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 3:46 pm Subject: Re: Upcoming tour Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >There is a new interview with Edgar (in German) on the TD Home >page, in which he talks about, amongst other things, the European >tour. Any thoughts of a radical change in TD's direction are >herewith blown out of the water. From the description he gives (old >stuff in the first half, stuff from the last four years in the >second) it's going to be more or less the same set as Shepherd's >Bush, especially as said concert is referred to as a warm-up for >the tour. Combine that with the re-appearance of Zlatko and it >doesn't seem as if there'll be much new to report at all. Wonder >how they'll handle the sax parts? Oh, you've got to be kidding me. I had been envious of all you people who were going to be able to see this, now I'm kind of glad I'll miss it. Maybe Linda will make a guest appearance with another horn player, and they'll jam on 'Death of a Nightingale' for half an hour. Hoping to wake up, B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 4:08 pm Subject: faithful td fans Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) >Tsk tsk tsk... Did I forget to add that TD fans are also notoriously faithful, >for they choose their mate well enough to start? Now, that explains why I am >still single: haven't met the right one yet. Err, three affairs got the touch of getting more serious, so I dropped them.... none of them liked TD (I met a girl who liked TD - I've been on her wedding, but just as a guest...) armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:31:53 -0500 (EST) >Really-From: tom w > ><< Welcome aboard on both counts ! Try to track down Autobahn by Kraftwerk > and Oxygene 7-13 by Jarre. If you liked the two albums you mentioned, > you'll like the other two. >> > >also, dont forget Radioactivity.... seminal.... Arrrrgh!!! If I hear one more nitcrit call Kraftwerk or a Kraftwerk album *seminal*, I'm going to spew. Honestly, when was the last time anyone heard TD as being called 'seminal'? It's always Can, Faust, Neu, and Kraftwerk. I've had it up to here with that crap. Be honest now, who would actually want to hear *anything* by any of those bands before listening to RUBYCON or EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE?!?! The only Kraftwerk album that I can *sometimes* play all the way through without fast-forwarding/lifting the needle is RALF AND FLORIAN. There are tunes on there that are not of the cold, dispassionate sort (like 'Tanzmusik'), but I guess that would make them 'non-seminal,' groan. See what I mean? Why don't people call Terry Riley and Steve Reich 'seminal' anymore? Could it be because you can't dance to much of their stuff? And let's not forget that Giorgio Moroder was once deemed to be 'seminal' *way* before 'Techno' was even a f*rt in some critic's head. Back in the late 70's, it was not uncommon to hear the names Moroder and Kraftwerk said in the same breath, you know. -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2254 Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This TWeibre361@a... Wed 4/2/1997 4 KB 2257 Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This Plumer, Scott Wed 4/2/1997 5 KB 2258 Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This TWeibre361@a... Wed 4/2/1997 2 KB 2262 Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This Craig R. J. Cordrey Thu 4/3/1997 2 KB 2292 Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This Plumer, Scott Thu 4/3/1997 3 KB 2297 Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This Francisco Salgado C. Thu 4/3/1997 3 KB 2326 Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This TWeibre361@a... Fri 4/4/1997 2 KB 2329 Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This Plumer, Scott Fri 4/4/1997 7 KB 2345 Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This TWeibre361@a... Fri 4/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 3:17 am Subject: Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Maxwell A. Croy' > > Hello Dreamers, > I absolutely loved both Kraftwerk > and Jarre. Kraftwerk had some interesting melodies and it gave me a > creepy feeling to listen to. (I like creepy feelings) The Jarre was > very good as well an while it seemed to lack form, and the general > flow of TD, I really liked it. Just a few thoughts from a new > listener. I just got to get this off my chest so please forgive me If you disagree but I think Jarre is an excessive extrovert who's music is best described as mediocre. I may be bitter though. If so this is because when trying to explain to people what tangerine dream are, I always get the ' oh Like M. Jarre' and then they go on to say but TD are obviously not as good because they have no hit singles (in the UK). Jarre isn't fit to wipe... etc. I dont mind Kraftwerk though. > Also, today I found a 12' copy of Edgar Froese's Epsilon in Malaysian > Pale. I put it on hold in the store I found it in since I didn't have > any money. Can anyone tell me anyhting about it? I have Aqua and > really like it. Information please? Epsilon is cool (Chill before Chill was thought of) David Bowie was heavily influenced by this and originally wanted to work with Edgar prior to Eno. Gaza Oh yeah that law (music laws 3) about the Ugly horse and playing the fiddle. Funniest yet, Still laughing. Cheers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2271 Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Paul Nagle Thu 4/3/1997 3 KB 2294 Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 4/3/1997 3 KB 2285 Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Steve McCready Thu 4/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 5:44 pm Subject: TD 11-30-96 tree structure is already sent. Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' HI THe structure for the Shepherd's Bush concert tree is aready sent. If you have subscribed and didin't have it yet, please contact me. Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 6:51 pm Subject: Re: Dream Experience to Share Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > Is my obsession with searching out those TD albums getting > to me? > > Last night, I dreamt I was in a record shop, looking > through a bin, where I spotted various new TD boots : Hey Craig. I'd like to dream about this: A grand reunion album. Edgar, Peter, Chris, Johannes and Paul, all together for one big, 3CD session. Let us know what the music was like. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 3:02 pm Subject: Re: tangerine dream questions Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > You're correct in figuring that largo is a musical term. Largo as a > tempo designates a tempo of around 60 beats per minute, IIRC. Far too fast for a largo. Divide that by 2 -- about 30 beats per minute, but I don't think there's any hard and fast rule about it. 60 BPM is approximately a resting heart beat (or slow walk) and would be an adagio. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 6:38 pm Subject: Re: Dream Experience to Share Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > > LET ME RE-ITERATE, THIS WAS A DREAM. FIRST PERSON TO ASK ME > > WHERE THEY CAN FIND THESE NEW BOOTS GETS A SLAP!!! > > New Boots and Panties ??? Sorry Grant, but Linda's out of the band. (Argh! -- another cheep shot taken.) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 7:13 pm Subject: Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-02 13:15:29 EST, you write: << Arrrrgh!!! If I hear one more nitcrit call Kraftwerk or a Kraftwerk album *seminal*, I'm going to spew. Honestly, when was the last time anyone heard TD as being called 'seminal'? It's always Can, Faust, Neu, and Kraftwerk. I've had it up to here with that crap. Be honest now, who would actually want to hear *anything* by any of those bands before listening to RUBYCON or EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE?!?! The only Kraftwerk album that I can *sometimes* play all the way through without fast-forwarding/lifting the needle is RALF AND FLORIAN. There are tunes on there that are not of the cold, dispassionate sort (like 'Tanzmusik'), but I guess that would make them 'non-seminal,' groan. See what I mean? Why don't people call Terry Riley and Steve Reich 'seminal' anymore? Could it be because you can't dance to much of their stuff? And let's not forget that Giorgio Moroder was once deemed to be 'seminal' *way* before 'Techno' was even a f*rt in some critic's head. Back in the late 70's, it was not uncommon to hear the names Moroder and Kraftwerk said in the same breath, you know. >> ur obvious dislike of kraftwerk is one thing, but to fail to recognize that kraftwerk was one of the originators of a whole new type of music is shortsighted...ask any 'techno' (to use ur very limited term) artist who influenced them and guess who they will mention? whats funny is that more often than not they will also mention td...who, imo, was also a seminal band, yet on a more narrow scale...to say that one should listen to rubycon 'before' any work by these other artists shows a real lack of appreciation for anyone's music...are u saying that we should only be listening to td, because all the rest is 'crap'? and i fail to understand what 'dancing' has to do with anyone being a progenitor of a type of music...of course riley and reich are seminal...they created a whole class of music...but how far can u trace that effect?...how far can u trace tds? and how far can u trace kraftwerk's?...thats the only point i was making... tom w np: woob2 - em:t 4495 (damn, its gotta be crap, because im listening to it instead of epsilon in malaysian pale!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 8:05 pm Subject: Paging Mark Wright Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Mark Wright' > > My friend has a copy of the best of Tangerine Dream on CD. I was > wonderng if it is possible to get the last three tracks(sorry, don't > know what they are called) on vinyl. Also, any touring news??? Sorry for the intrusion fellow dreamers. Paging Mark Wright... I don't know how you can be reading this, Mark, but assuming you are... I've tried 4 times to mail to you. Your postmaster tried to help, but that bounced too. Mail to the address provided by/for your system administrator bounced also!! Please mail me directly. Thanks. -- Mark (We now return to your regularly scheduled program.) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 8:41 pm Subject: Re: Dream Experience to Share Really-From: Sean Montgomery This is hilarious! I had a TD dream like this a few months ago too, and very similar. I can't remember titles, I just remember going into a record shop and seeing weird solo albums, soundtracks and compilations by TD. And I couldn't afford them all, if I remember correctly... Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'I put the FUN in dysfunctional' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 8:59 pm Subject: Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This Oooo! Flame war! I gotta get in on this one! > ur obvious dislike of kraftwerk is one thing, but to fail to recognize that >kraftwerk was one of the originators of a whole new type of music is >shortsighted...ask any 'techno' (to use ur very limited term) artist who >influenced them and guess who they will mention? whats funny is that more >often than not they will also mention td...who, imo, was also a seminal band, >yet on a more narrow scale...to say that one should listen to rubycon I think you'll always get this kind of reaction when you talk about bands that were derivative of of an earlier band. Kraftwerk did invent techno, but I'm not so sure that's an achievement to be proud of. Let's take an example, shall we? Rush, in their early days, was derivative of Led Zeppelin (this they have admitted, so don't challenge me on it). Instead of remaining a cheap copy, though, they took their derivation to a new level and became something new and unique. The great thing about TD is how they could take the music of machines and make it so warm and so human. Kraftwerk took the music of machines and left it there. Of course, that may have been their whole point. As art, it succeeds, but as music, well, if I want to listen to a machine I'll ride my bike. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 9:40 pm Subject: Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-04-02 16:11:54 EST, you write: << Kraftwerk did invent techno, but I'm not so sure that's an achievement to be proud of. and why not, may i ask? tom w sp: woob2 ('techno' that im sure kraftwerk would be proud of) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 3:07 pm Subject: Kamikaze 1989 LP available Really-From: teiwazbarana@u... Dreamers I have an extra copy of Edgar's Kamikaze 1989 vinyl LP available for trade/best offer. --teiwaz From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 12:35 am Subject: Re: Dream Experience to Share Really-From: Greg Heil tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: John Christian > > >Last night, I dreamt I was in a record shop, looking > >through a bin, where I spotted various new TD boots : > > > >Tangerine Dream - Air Sculpture (sorry John) > > S'alright Craig...just a few adjustments to the orbital mind-control > lasers...AirSculpture boot called Tangerine Dream...must buy...must > buy...There we go, tonights dream should be right. > > Spookily enough a couple of nights ago I was having a TD dream. I was > thinking back over the concerts I had been to, then I suddenly realised > that one of them was in fact a memory of a previously dreamed concert. > I woke up and could then remember the old dream, which was a very long > and lucid one from maybe 5 years ago. Sadly I just get flashes of it, > and no music! > > John > -- > John Christian - mail:john@p... > AirSculpture > Try out WebMaze at Hmmm.. since we as fans have gone this far into admitting our personal fascination and happenings with Tangerine Dream.. next thing you know we'll be talking about how we sit Indian style in our underware next to the stereo with both speakers in our laps just taking in the bass... er... That's not me though ;) Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 6:12 am Subject: Re: [Fwd: tadream-digest V15 #874] Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-31 14:46:49 EST, you write: << From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 06:00:01 +0000 Subject: Re: D:\/\/\/\/ 'Zeit' \/\/\/\/ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Phil, It has 2 discs.How many TD CD's do you have?How long have you been collecting TD? Robert >> Robert, Everyone else who has responded says it is one disc. Which one do you have? In answer to your question - - 27 CDs & 33 LPs issues not disks or discs. I have been following the boys since 1974. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2304 Re: [Fwd: tadream-digest V15 #874] Robert Grabowsky Fri 4/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 4:02 pm Subject: Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > As art, it succeeds, but > as music, well, if I want to listen to a machine I'll ride my bike. > I just got a funny look from the guys in my aisle at work. They don't see m laughing hysterically often. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 7:58 am Subject: (no subject) Really-From: Greg Heil who tadream Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2270 Re: (no subject) Grant Middleton Thu 4/3/1997 2 KB 3683 (no subject) Olivier Rech Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 3684 Dream Mixes RealAudio Sean Montgomery Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 3686 More TD RealAudio Sean Montgomery Thu 5/8/1997 2 KB 11209 (no subject) Nick.Adams@C... Fri 2/20/1998 2 KB 11210 (no subject) Nick.Adams@C... Fri 2/20/1998 2 KB 11216 (no subject) Nick.Adams@C... Fri 2/20/1998 5 KB 11975 (no subject) Geir Eilertsen Fri 3/13/1998 2 KB 11976 Re: (no subject) Elias Granillo, Jr. Fri 3/13/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 4:08 pm Subject: Re: Dream Experience to Share Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > Well, that worked good enough for the one main lady in you life, didn't it? > Perhaps she's also enjoying TD music, which would make you a very lucky man > indeed. > No such luck! She can put up with TD-lite (Destination Berlin in particular), but leaves the room when more 'adventurous' music appears. By 'adventurous I mean Force Majeure. I don't think I've ever let her hear Zeit or E.M. Hey, there's a thought! Maybe she doesn't like Phaedra and FM because they're too commercial. I'll try Zeit tonight when her, her mother and father are there. That'll get the party going! --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 8:38 am Subject: Re: Dream Experience to Share Really-From: Greg Heil tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > > Well, that worked good enough for the one main lady in you life, didn't it? > > Perhaps she's also enjoying TD music, which would make you a very lucky man > > indeed. > > > No such luck! She can put up with TD-lite (Destination > Berlin in particular), but leaves the room when more > 'adventurous' music appears. By 'adventurous I mean Force > Majeure. I don't think I've ever let her hear Zeit or E.M. > > Hey, there's a thought! Maybe she doesn't like Phaedra and > FM because they're too commercial. I'll try Zeit tonight > when her, her mother and father are there. That'll get the > party going! > Zeit would probably get you all the beautiful Hindu-Monk girls you could ever dream of.. lets try DEEP meditation eh.. ? Or maybe that Largo movement of the music is romantic.. but shooken dried peas and blowing straws in the toilet sounds could have wonderful charms all to themselves :) Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 8:39 am Subject: Re: Zeit - LP owners please help Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-01 12:25:03 EST, you write: << Sorry, but based on experience, I don't trust the times listed on the LP labels. Thanks -- Mark >> I don't blame you. I don't have _both_ formats, though, so I can't compare. This is what I come up with, although keep in mind that my Phono may not be running at digitally correct speed. It does seem to keep up pretty accurately with a like disc on my CD players though; not more than one or at the most two seconds difference in a twenty-five minute LP side, however, as tested on some recordings where I do have both formats. 20:10 - - Side One 17:58 - - Side Two 19:50 - - Side Three 17:51 - - Side Four 75:49 - - Total Time Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 8:40 am Subject: Re: Listserv problem? Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-01 10:20:44 EST, you write: << Really-From: feldon@n... I have received no messages from the Tadream mailing list for 10 days. Is the server down or perhaps I've been unsubscribed? Morgan Marks feldon@n... >> You might want to resubscribe. Dave Datta cut _me_ off because I don't exist. And to think I never realized it. I thought I was here all along. Just goes to show you how wrong a person can be. ;-) Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 8:40 am Subject: Competition ( was- - -Poor Linda) Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-04-01 08:04:14 EST, you write: << P.S. The T-Bass competition still has relatively few entries : about seven in total! Humph! Please drop by the web page and make an entry or I really will start to believe that the list is getting apathetic... T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html >> According to my watch it's April. Contest's over. Sorry I missed it. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 8:44 am Subject: Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... > > I just got to get this off my chest so please forgive me If you disagree > but I think Jarre is an excessive extrovert who's music is best described > as mediocre. I suppose one man's excessive extrovert is another man's talented performer. I personally would be more entertained by watching Jarre waggling away furiously at a VCS3 joystick or 'playing' a laser harp than watching Jerome pulling ugly faces during yet another wailing guitar solo. Jarre live is entertainment. Jarre on record ranges from utter meaningless disposable drivel right through to the pinnacle of electronic music prowess. Consider the following golden moments of Jarre :- Oxygene 2 --------- The VCS3 work on this track is astonishing. He uses his instrument of choice as expertly as Hendrix wielded his axe. Oxygene 4 --------- A beutifully simple melody. Easily the equal of White Eagle or Warsaw in the Sun. Oxygene 5 --------- Trancey eastern influenced electronic stuff from 1977 ! Equinoxe 1 ---------- Right up there with the 'Blade Runner' OST. Waiting for Cousteau -------------------- This title track could have been done by Eno. Truly ambient music. Ethnicolor ---------- This opener to Zoolook was a beautiful collage of analogue and digital sounds way ahead of FSOL. Basically, I don't think his music is 'best' described as mediocre. In general, he has created a lot of crap, but when he focusses, he's capable of miracles. Diamonds in the rough. > I may be bitter though. If so this is because when trying to > explain to people what tangerine dream are, I always get the ' oh Like M. > Jarre' and then they go on to say but TD are obviously not as good > because they have no hit singles (in the UK). I've come across this 'argument' many times. Best to just ignore it. If you base your listening preferences on the position in the charts, you've obviously got the wrong end of the stick. > Jarre isn't fit to wipe... etc. If the rest of the sentence is what I think it is, then it's a pretty low thing to say. > I dont mind Kraftwerk though. Good. > > Also, today I found a 12' copy of Edgar Froese's Epsilon in Malaysian > > Pale. I put it on hold in the store I found it in since I didn't have > > any money. Can anyone tell me anyhting about it? I have Aqua and > > really like it. Information please? > > Epsilon is cool (Chill before Chill was thought of) David Bowie was > heavily influenced by this and originally wanted to work with Edgar prior > to Eno. I'm personally glad he worked with Eno. I couldn't imagine Low or Heroes sounding any different to what they do. > Oh yeah that law (music laws 3) about the Ugly horse and playing the > fiddle. Funniest yet, Still laughing. Cheers My personal fave was the banjo-playing 200 pound ladies. This was definitely a close second, though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 8:48 am Subject: Re: (no subject) Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Greg Heil > > who tadream We tadream ! Welcome to our home ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 3:26 pm Subject: Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Really-From: Paul Nagle ** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... : >I just got to get this off my chest so please forgive me If you disagree >but I think Jarre is an excessive extrovert who's music is best described Forgiven but I believe Jarre is someone who has always appeared to be fully in control of the synths he uses. Even some of this early unreleased stuff has exactly the same kinds of techniques he uses today but done on old and struggling equipment. Compare this with TD whose musical direction was led by their equipment for many years - not that this is necessarily a bad thing, just different. And JMJ writes some great melodies - one of the reasons he makes bags of money and sells out huge venues. It's another of those 'can it be good if it's popular?' questions that none of us can answer satisfactorily...if I had choice of a night's entertainment between TD and JMJ I think you can tell who I'd pick. I DO have more TD albums though so what does that mean? Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Paul Nagle - paul@s... http://www.softroom.demon.co.uk (Upd. 26/03/97) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2294 Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 4/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 9:32 am Subject: d:zeit Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> 'TIME you ain't no friend of mine'--hootie and the fishstix d: zeit 4as so, we have finally come to the 'fork in the toaster'... damn, what am I ever going to say about this cd? well, maybe that it could be used as a sound track for the changing of the guards at buckingham palace (sorry, but I finally walked over and watched that this a.m. and what a waste of TIME.) no offense to any of you british traditionalists here but that is really a booooooring overrated tourist trap; yeah, I think that ZEIT just about describes the mood of the whole thing perfectly except for the militaristic overtones at the palace and the fact that the 'changing' is over in an hour and 'zeit' takes slightly longer; plus, I can sit down when I listen to Zeit but I have to stand up the whole TIME I watch the changlings. That's not to say that zeit is boring either so no offense to you TD traditionalists or to the Family Froese (may the gods protect their holy name), etc. 'TIME, TIME, TIME is on my side, yes it is...' Mick and the lipstix now I am sitting here in my tiny little room, listening to zeit on my discman, leaning on the desk, head propped up by my arm, staring towards the window and the brick wall beyond; the sun is setting and I see everything with this flemish yellow baroque backlighting. in front of the window, I see the sink and from the hot water tap I see the water: drip, drip, drip, drip, drip--this is the only thing moving in my field of view, my only index of TIME. the only problem is that the tap is dripping too fast for the music on my headphones. I could walk over there and wrench on it but I don't want to strip it (the faucet, not the cd player!) and now I can't ignore it... drip drip drip drip 'TIME why do you punish me?' Hootie and the fishstix I see the cottony white clouds are sailing by outside my window from north to south; they are moving at about the right speed for this music. From about 7:30, track2 really evidences some seeds of the later (post pink) td. THEN AT 13:10 THAT PHRASE 'beep-ba-deep deep deep.' It only comes once-- you want it to come again and build into some complex wonderful creation overlayed on this liquid, mesmerizing foundation but it doesn't--this one 'phrase', this is to me, the seed of consciousness for all of TDs later stuff; this 'phrase' is the child at the mirror stage (a psychological moment) who, after about 18-20 months of learning everything possible, suddenly realizes--like a bolt of lightening straight through the heart--that they are an individual person, suddenly, they see themselves (metaphorically speaking) before the mirror and as different from it and their whole conception of the world around them literally shatters and has to be put back together again (and thus begins the rest of our lives). In many ways this is the beginning of consciousness for every one of us (sort of like becoming conscious/aware that you are conscious--got that?). this is what I sense in this one magical phrase overlayed upon this dense, liquid background: the water tap is dripping, the clouds are drifting by, the sun is setting, everything is predictable, smooth, even soothing... then WHAM, the very fabric of your reality cracks open and nothing is ever the same again. 'TIME, why do you walk away?' ibid. the hardest thing about listening to this cd is trying to decide whether I should push 'pause' before I get up to go take a piss or whether I should let it keep playing; there is this moralistic sense of whether I actually have a right to stop TIME that weighs down on me ... but, in the end, my bladder outweighs my conscience... and one seems to be able to exit and reenter this TIMEframe without loosing any sort of orientation to the work anyway. 'TIME, you left me standing there' ibid now don't get me wrong, I may take a few jabs at this cd but there is definitely some good space music here (why do you think I give it a 4as?!); the discussion of this cd just needs some comic relief. this is the stuff you get to at the end of an evening of really spacing out. you start with the faster type stuff and eventually you work into this stuff and by that time, you are so far out there that you are having an out of body experience (OOBE) and you have become 'one' with the music. of course the fact that you wake up the next morning with the 'shakes' and the 'willies' is a different thing..... or is it? 'Tomorrow's just another day and I don't believe in TIME' ibid. lars (tadream london correspondent) I wonder if maybe Evil Ear productions will make a 'Zeit Revisited' boot with zeit and hootie mixed together, hmmmmm: bubble bubble beep beep bubble 'just let her cry' bubble gurgle 'let the tears fall down like rain' bubble beep moan 'I just wanna hold your' beep bubble gleep ... 'TIME; the past has come and gone / the future's far away / and 'now' only lasts for one second, one second' (but then Hootie's obviously never listened to ZEIT!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2275 Re: d:zeit Mark Filipak Thu 4/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 9:32 am Subject: help/action request Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I just realized I am missing tadream digest #869 could someone be so kind as to forward me a copy? thanks lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2277 Re: help/action request Mark Filipak Thu 4/3/1997 2 KB 2295 My eye-tooth for Reims '74! Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 4/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 9:31 am Subject: d:zoning Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> d:zzzzzzzzzzoning 3as Since I have my cd but no insert with me, forgive me for not naming names/titles (my pet peeve at the moment is f***ing cds that say: 'see booklet for details' although zoning doesn't say this but it might as well). I suppose had this been released under any other name than TD it would have to be an EF solo album... I don't have much to say (now ain't that unusual??!) in fact, I can't seem to get excited about this cd. It's not really that bad at all but it is not something I grab and put on the player on a regular basis (but then, maybe I'm just 'zoning' har-har-har). On the one hand, I think I hear a wavelength type style here but, on the other hand, wavelength sounds so much like schmoelling era TD and this seems like the whole schmoelling 'feel' is missing here (Obviously since he wasn't playing on this cd!); maybe what I am trying to say is that this cd sort of sounds like related to wavelength but with franke and schmoelling subtracted out. Maybe that is why it just doesn't make my dog stand up and take notice..... on tra....(eyes glaze, lids fall, chin drops, drool forms) huh, what? huh, oops, sorry I must have 'zzzzzzzzzzoned' out; but what woke me up was that last track, it sounds kinda interesting but at the same time, really out of place. almost like a seattle years bonus track added on to an early style of work... that's it, over to you all lars (tadream correspondent there where the chartered thames does flow) (and yes I see plenty of faces marked with weakness and woe!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2280 d:zoning feldon@n... Thu 4/3/1997 2 KB 2350 Re: d:zoning Tony Marshall Fri 4/4/1997 2 KB 2354 Re: d:zoning Mark Filipak Sat 4/5/1997 2 KB 2366 Re: d:zoning gary.cresswell1@v... Sat 4/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 11:18 am Subject: Re: d:zeit Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > 'TIME you ain't no friend of mine'--hootie and the fishstix > d: zeit 4as You obviously saved your best review for 'zed' ('zee' for us American folk). Was that a stream of conciousness I saw at the toilet? Great literature, Lars. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 11:05 am Subject: Re: Listserv problem? Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > Dave Datta cut _me_ off It's not Dave. It's majordo / / Sorry to interrupt here Dave, but I detect an immanent failure in the outboard number 2 module.... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 11:22 am Subject: Re: help/action request Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > I just realized I am missing tadream digest #869 could someone be so > kind as to forward me a copy? thanks > lars Accomplished. Everyone else, at ease. Let's not bury the poor boy in email. Cheers -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 12:01 am Subject: Eh? Dreamz... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >I am not a dream analyst, but from the look of things, you are INDEED >obsessed with TD music. I believe this denotes: >- - taste >- - sophistication >- - higher than average IQ >- - extreme charm and savvy with the ladies >- - etc. Err, so how does this account for me and Ash Prema? Cheers David P.S. The 'Great T-Bass' caption competition : only 12 days to go. Enter now or...miss out on a wonderful prize. (Yep, our CD...) T-Bass : Electronic Music email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2281 Re: Eh? Dreamz... Mark Filipak Thu 4/3/1997 2 KB 2282 Re: Eh? Dreamz... Mark Filipak Thu 4/3/1997 2 KB 2340 Re: Eh? Dreamz... dbrewer@a... Fri 4/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 12:14 pm Subject: Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This  Really-From: XCenter@a... << Kraftwerk did invent techno, but I'm not so sure that's an achievement to be proud of. Open yours ears: Kraftwerk never did techno!!! They influenced techno in a similar way as they influenced EBM, New Wave, etc. pp. Kraftwerk did (do?) electro-pop, nothing else (whatever that means...)! Anyone else thinkin' KW are the godfathers of techno? Yours synth-erely, Frank From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 12:21 pm Subject: d:zoning Really-From: feldon@n... Zoning. Hmmm... Definately a 2AS. Of the 13 tracks on the disc, only track 1 and track 13 (intro and ending) are of any special quality. Oddly, these are the only tracks listed in booklet as having been done by Edgar and Jerome. They should have just called this thing: Zoning by Edgar Froese. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 12:26 pm Subject: Re: Eh? Dreamz... Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > Hi all, > > >I am not a dream analyst, but from the look of things, you are INDEED > >obsessed with TD music. I believe this denotes: > >- - taste > >- - sophistication > >- - higher than average IQ > >- - extreme charm and savvy with the ladies > >- - etc. > > Err, so how does this account for me and Ash Prema? Better add 'anal compulsion for musical toys' to the list. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 12:29 pm Subject: Re: Eh? Dreamz... Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > Err, so how does this account for me and Ash Prema? I mean, it is a fact that bands break up so much because musicians only want to play with themselves, isn't it? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2340 Re: Eh? Dreamz... dbrewer@a... Fri 4/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: A bad Dream experience Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@C...> >>Hey Craig. I'd like to dream about this: A grand reunion album. Edgar, Peter, Chris, Johannes and Paul, all together for one big, 3CD session. Let us know what the music was like. -- Mark<< I had this dream! It was a nightmare!! The band played a cover of 'Float On' by the Floaters. In my dream, like in the original song, each member of the band introduced himself, said his astrological sign, and stated his preferences with regard to the opposite sex. Meanwhile, the rest of the band continued singing the chorus 'float, float on....float on float on.' The really bad part is that I woke up just as special guest Linda Spa was about to do her part. Darn, now we'll never know!! (And did you know that Johannes sings with a falsetto, and likes women who 'are really, you know, tranquil'?) >>Bob<< Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2308 Re: A bad Dream experience Grant Middleton Fri 4/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 1:13 pm Subject: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3 Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi All. If anyone has the Jive, C TANG 3 version of 'Zeit', could you pop it into a CD player and write down the actual running times? Thanks in advance -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2316 Re: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3 Jens Peschke Fri 4/4/1997 2 KB 2359 Re: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3 PNaunton@a... Sat 4/5/1997 2 KB 2367 Re: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3 John Christian Sat 4/5/1997 2 KB 2406 Re: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3 PNaunton@a... Mon 4/7/1997 2 KB 2448 Re: 'Zeit' - Jive, C TANG 3 Mark Filipak Tue 4/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 8:23 pm Subject: Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready) On Wed, 02 Apr 1997 19:17:05 -0800, gary.cresswell1@v... wrote: >I just got to get this off my chest so please forgive me If you disagree >but I think Jarre is an excessive extrovert who's music is best described >as mediocre. I may be bitter though. Well, I'd certainly agree if we're discussing his more recent work. I like about 5% of his recent output. Now, if we're talking about Oxygene, Equinoxe, or Magnetic Fields ... well, that's another story. Somewhere along the line, Jarre got lost. IMO, TD is like Jarre mainly in the instruments they use. The main difference between TD and Jarre, to me, always seemed to be that Jarre's music was much more structured or planned than TD's. -Steve sbm@p... Sacramento, CA From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 2:11 pm Subject: setlist for 11/28/76 Really-From: Bill Lantz Can anyone supply me with a setlist for November 28, 1976 TD gig in Paris? Also, was this the Pavilion? I recently came across a nice audience tape of this performance and can't place most of the music. Some Sorcerer themes pop up in a few places, notably the encore, but for the most part, this performance escapes me being able to name the pieces. Also, on a side question, who are the two Klauses' that get thanked on Michael Hoenig's Northern Wasteland album? Schulze I assume is one. Thanks in advance for any help. Bill on the list since 12/94 (lurk mode) - favorite TD albums - Sorcerer and Rubycon Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2290 Re: setlist for 11/28/76 Mark Filipak Thu 4/3/1997 3 KB 2291 Re: setlist for 11/28/76 Plumer, Scott Thu 4/3/1997 3 KB 2318 Re: setlist for 11/28/76 Bill Lantz Fri 4/4/1997 3 KB 2320 Re: setlist for 11/28/76 Bill Lantz Fri 4/4/1997 3 KB 2335 Re: setlist for 11/28/76 John Burek Fri 4/4/1997 2 KB 2347 Re: setlist for 11/28/76 Mark Filipak Fri 4/4/1997 3 KB 2371 Re: setlist for 11/28/76 Bill Lantz Sat 4/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 3:15 pm Subject: strange dreams Really-From: Michael A Jean I have had similar dreams where I've HEARD music that didn't exist...(no TD though :( ... One time I got really freaked out when I saw a new album cover in a dream...and it actually appeared a few months later on Nik Tyndall's Lagoon CD. Speaking of Nik Tyndall, I have been trying to find his EINKLANG album for over ten years! Does anybody have it? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2358 Re: strange dreams Larry E Smith Sat 4/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 3:11 pm Subject: new goblin track Really-From: Michael A Jean The word from TD.... Australian 'Goblins Club': one track got deleted (Elf June...) and a new title is added instead (Dallas Fort Worth Runway One) MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 3:20 pm Subject: No More Laws??? Really-From: Michael A Jean Well...I actually have about 20 more, but since activity has picked up again, I'll save them for another time... The last one for now: Boise, IDAHO: No female shall play a guitar while attired in a bikini on any street, road, or highway within this State unless she be escorted by at least two officers or unless she be armed with a club. The provisions of this statute shall not apply to females weighing less than 90 pounds nor exceeding 200 pounds, nor shall it apply to female horses. MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2296 Re: No More Laws??? Mark Filipak Thu 4/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 3:17 pm Subject: Re: setlist for 11/28/76 Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Bill Lantz > > Can anyone supply me with a setlist for November 28, 1976 TD gig in > Paris? Also, was this the Pavilion? I recently came across a nice > audience tape of this performance and can't place most of the music. > Some Sorcerer themes pop up in a few places, notably the encore, but > for the most part, this performance escapes me being able to name the > pieces. > > Also, on a side question, who are the two Klauses' that get thanked > on Michael Hoenig's Northern Wasteland album? Schulze I assume is one. > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > Bill > on the list since 12/94 (lurk mode) - favorite TD albums - Sorcerer > and Rubycon Welcome to non-lurk mode. I would assume that the other Klaus is Klaus D. Mueller, but it could be Klaus Kinkle for all I really know. Regarding the 28 Nov 76 gig, my records indicate that it was at Centre Culturel in Toulouse and not in Paris at all. If you have different info, please let me know, but I show the Paris show on 22 Nov at Le Palais des Sports. Regards -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 3:26 pm Subject: RE: setlist for 11/28/76 >Can anyone supply me with a setlist for November 28, 1976 TD gig in Paris? Their stuff was primarily improv back then. How could you get a setlist? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 3:29 pm Subject: Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This ><< Kraftwerk did invent > techno, but I'm not so sure that's an achievement to be proud of. >and why not, may i ask? Let me quote from my original post: > As art, it succeeds, but > as music, well, if I want to listen to a machine I'll ride my bike. Scott An excerpt from Kraftwerk's sheet music: 'Fahren, fahren, fahren auf der Autobahn (repeat 100,000 times)' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 4:05 pm Subject: Our fearless leader on World Without Rules! I was reading the liner notes to Haslinger's World Without Rules CD last night, and whose name should pop up in the credits but our fearless leader and listowner Dave Datta! Way to go Dave! Scott ('Hey, I know that guy!') From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 10:41 am Subject: Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 08:26 AM 4/3/97 GMT, you wrote: >Really-From: Paul Nagle > [......] >And JMJ writes some great melodies - one of the reasons he makes bags >of money and sells out huge venues. It's another of those 'can it be >good if it's popular?' questions that none of us can answer >satisfactorily...if I had choice of a night's entertainment between TD >and JMJ I think you can tell who I'd pick. I DO have more TD albums >though so what does that mean? >Paul Hi, Paul It is my understanding that JMJ's largest venues (million+) are FREE concerts. Concert Pout Tolerance, certainly was. But why would one want to make a choice? Let them all come on!! TD, JMJ, Paul Nagle, David Huges, Ashok Prema, Mark Shreeve, etc.... You have more TD albums because there are more of them (about 60 more, not counting the boots). Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 10:47 am Subject: My eye-tooth for Reims '74! Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I will give my eye-tooth (or an equivalently valuable commodity) for the Reims (Live at Reims, Dec 13, '74) 2-CD album. I am groveling, here. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 5:26 pm Subject: Re: No More Laws??? Really-From: Mark Filipak > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > Boise, IDAHO: No female shall play a guitar while attired in a > bikini on any street, road, or highway within this State unless > she be escorted by at least two officers or unless she be armed > with a club. The provisions of this statute shall not apply to > females weighing less than 90 pounds nor exceeding 200 pounds, > nor shall it apply to female horses. Now this is a very sensible law for Boise. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 2, 1997 10:13 pm Subject: Re: Re Kraftwerk: Inseminate This Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: Scott told us: > unique. The great thing about TD is how they could take the music of > machines and make it so warm and so human. Kraftwerk took the music of > machines and left it there. Of course, that may have been their whole > point. As art, it succeeds, but as music, well, if I want to listen to > a machine I'll ride my bike. Well, I don?t like all Kraftwerk had done but thy have produced also great electronic music full of 'human touck', but going to the core of your argument, you give a positive value to warming of a mechanical sound. and you measure success with that value scale. But this is , as you know, a subjective scale so for others harshnesswould be a value. Lets say ( epeaking with meal terms), you like shugar a lot, so a good kake is fantastic for you, but since chili sauce is so hot and harsh ( and you don't like it) then mexican cooks have to be bade kooks because they don't 'humanize' it. Let's say, coming back to music, that for people who value harshness, noisenes, extrangeness, then Kraftwerk, Metzbow, Throbing Gristle, whitehouse, etc are fantastic, and they might think ( if they are close minded about music) Td is a soft, conventional and old-fashioned band. regards Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Dream Mixes Video Really-From: Matt Williams Dream Mixes Video!! Any news on this yet...is it available in England yet???.....I have had 'Oasis' for a few weeks and after finding the music rather dull I don't mind it now(as usual TD music that I hate to begin with eventually grows on me :). I havn't really been a TD fan for that long and my collection was slowly building up but then some nice person came in my room and nicked most of it,so I am gonna have to start from scratch again....all I have is the S.Bush CD and a couple of Franke solo albums as well as my most precious Ozric Tentacles cereal box set.......anyone else own this deleted set???...Opps sorry what have Ozric Tentacles got to do with TD :). Anyway life certainly can be a bitch sometimes as my CD player also bust so at the moment I'm playing tapes....anyone out there who wants to send me some tapes of music I'll accept with glee :))). Now the begging letter is over I'll go back to my pathetic life!! Matt... MATTHEW WILLIAMS EMAIL: matt@s... 'The times I burnt my guitar was like a sacrifice,you sacrifice the things you love - I love my guitar' - Jimi Hendrix. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 3, 1997 10:15 pm Subject: Re: Kraftwerk and Jarre and Epsilon Really-From: Tony Marshall >Really-From: gary.cresswell1@v... > >I just got to get this off my chest so please forgive me If you disagree >but I think Jarre is an excessive extrovert who's music is best described >as mediocre. I may be bitter though. If so this is because when trying to >explain to people what tangerine dream are, I always get the ' oh Like M. >Jarre' and then they go on to say but TD are obviously not as good >because they have no hit singles (in the UK). Jarre isn't fit to wipe... >etc. I dont mind Kraftwerk though. > Each to his own I suppose. I just obtained Oxygene 7-13, and it's the best synth album I've heard for bloody years! (and beats anything TD have done post-Virgin ;-( - well, maybe apart from Canyon Dreams). However, it's annoying that lots of people like Jarre, but shut themselves away from TD etc..They don't realise there's loads of great synth music out there! Tony Marshall |#include ----------------------|--------------------------------------------------- My Mystery Tune Page http://www.zigzag.u-net.com/ - updating it soon!