From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 7:29 am Subject: Re: Poland Midi file - poland.mid Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Philip. Could we try this again -- it appears the file may have been damaged in transit. I don't know how or even if this is possible. Could you send me the file again, this time personally and not through the list. Thanks -- Mark tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Philip Meyer > > Well, here it is... > > -----------Philip Meyer-------------- > phil@h... > amarok@c... > ------------------------------------- > > Name: poland.mid > Part 1.2 Type: MIDI (audio/x-midi) > Encoding: x-uuencode From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 7:38 am Subject: Re: Poland CD Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Michael Fox > > I have in my hand the Relativity 2CD release--88561-8045-2. > Disc one:Poland/22:29 > Tangent/19:59 > Disc two:Barbakane/18:00 > Horizon/21:07 > Cover is weird colorized pic of Frose/Schmoelling/Franke > Inner sleeve is same as cover--no band info > copyright Zomba Ent---made in USA > I also have the 2 disk LP (somewhere in the archives) and I think it > deletes Barbakane---which I think is the best cut. > More fodder, I guess! > Mike The double LP and the double CD are identical. I used to have the LP and I do have the Relativity 2CD. The CD indexes 'Rare Bird' as track 3, but it is not on the label and its time has been added into the time for 'Tangent'. Please see my previous post on the entire discography for Poland or request it privately and I will send it to you. Cheers All -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 8:26 am Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-03-11 20:51:54 EST, you write: > > << It may sound unbelievable but - there are tapes from each single > concert they've ever played from 1971 up to now locked safely away at > TD lawyer's office in London. > > > > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR > >> > > This _is_ unbelievable. They are also probably irretrievable > since audio tapes that are twenty years old are most likely to be > unplayable. The chemicals in the tape, the bonding adhesives revert > after this period of time, even after controlled environment > conditions. I hope to god there is someone out there in charge of this > gold mine who knows what they are doing with this priceless treasure > trove. > I feel a tear running down my face. > > Phil Naunton I have good news. There was a show on NPR not too long ago about tape archival. Seems about 10 years ago the formula for tape was changed and the tapes of the last 10 years *are* falling apart after only 5 to 8 years if stored in ordinary room conditions. But tapes over 10 years old should last at least another 30 years or so with no problems. -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Hear TD albums on the Net Really-From: Peter Ravn For those of your with WWW-access is there an interinsting offer. Point your browser at: http://ww2.audionet.com/jukebox/dream.htm and listen to the Miramar age albums: Rockoon 220 Volt Live Turn of The Tides Tyranny of Beauty Dream Mixes in full length! You will need a Real Audio plug-in. Regards, Peter Ravn pr@d... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 4:54 pm Subject: poland tracks / p.s. Lars Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > > >I've got the incomplete version aswell. About a week ago, I saw a >'Poland' CD in Tower Records, stating Poland, Tangent, Barbakane, and >Horizon as tracks (which is exactly the tracklisting in the TD homepage >discography). It seemed to be only one disc, though. Now, is that the full >version or not? Does anyone have a track listing of the REAL full >version?? > >Dennis > > It is like follows: the full version lists: Poland, Tangent, Barbakane, Horizon. The track 'Rare Bird' appears after 'Tangent' but is for whatever reason not listed. So in terms of track listings, 'Rare Bird' is a part of 'Tangent'. The Castle release of Poland is *not* complete, although the track listing is. That is because they cut the last 5 or 7 minutes (don't have timings in my mind) from 'Barbakane'. 'Barbakane' contains music which was released on various singles as 'Warsaw in the Sun'. The uncomplete 'Barbakane' on the Castle release ends with 'Warsaw in the Sun'. On the complete version, there is more music following after (very good music, btw). My information is based on the original 2LP Vinyl release, a maxi single 'Warsaw in the Sun' - 'Rare Bird', and the single CD of Castle. armin P.S. LARS: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oh yes, HI ARMIN, you Orangentraeumer! :-) (I've been meaning to say that for about a week!) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Hi Lars, not too bad, your german. As you may now, a 'Orange' is an orange, whereas a 'tangerine' would be a 'Mandarine' Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 1:28 pm Subject: RE- Tranq.Bass and Chain St Really-From: 'Jonathan Block' David H wrote: >>After a few months, we received news that the other Tranquility Bass had signed up to the Astral Werks label. So, we mailed them, and the result that came back was extremely non-commital. It told us nothing. Hence, we decided to stick with the name at least until the EMMA festival in May after which, and dependant upon the audiences reaction, we would then decide to change the band's name. Following the enormous support we've received in the last few weeks by people from this digest I'm far more inclined to keep with the name to avoid confusing all you kind folks who have helped us on our way.<< Unfortunately, every day that passes will just bring more confusion. If you came up with the name before the U.S. version and want to keep it you have no choice but to seek legal action. Although I sympathize with your position and the support from this digest, the gentleman behind the U.S. Tranquility Bass has been involved in the techno/dance/e-music scene for years and I'd be surprised if you didn't get resistance. They are getting a huge amount of press these days, even in mainstream mags (Rolling Stone, etc.) and you're definitely going to experience some name confusion over here in the U.S. And Craig Cordrey wrote: >>No, your stuff (and a lot of the other stuff discussed on this list) isn't available in Virgin or Tower or HMV. We have to use mail order or web-based stores and there you lose a lot of people. Not necessarily people on this list, but just general fans who don't know about mail order or web-based (as I was until I joined this list some years ago).<< This works both ways. Are people walking into chain stores more apt to try something new as opposed to mail-order consumers? I know I've seen many CDs in the new age/ambient/electronic section of stores and really have never heard of the group and have no idea of their sound. At least with mail-order or a web page you can get some idea of where the group is at. I have a CD coming out next summer on a label that has distribution to many chains across the U.S. including Tower, but I'm not sure how many people are just going to pick it up and buy it. Now it'll be great to direct people to Tower but I'm sure people who have never heard my music would be more apt to buy it from a mail order if there was an accurate description as opposed to just picking up the CD in a store and knowing nothing about it. Jonathan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 2:56 pm Subject: DRC Really-From: Michael A Jean A friend a mine was overzealous and ordered DRC from two different importers...now he has two...He is planning to return one, but I though I would ask if there is anyone having a hard time finding it who is willing to pay a fair price ($50 US). If so, please respond to me directly by this coming Monday Mike J , Chicago From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 3:47 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Tree info Update Really-From: "Robin A.Seed" >> In my circumstance, it was more a case of confusion with >> the 'tree' system, rather than apathy. And, as far as I >> could make out, I'm stuffed as any sort of contributor or >> receiver because I don't have a DAT or CD-R compatible >> system. >> > >Don't you have a cassette deck ? > I for one _do not_ own a tape deck or even a walkman!!!!! so that really puts me well out of the reckoning. Rob ********************************************************************************* Robin.A.Seed Hong Kong e-mail rseed@asiaonline.net Tel: 9172 4180 ********************************************************************************* From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #861 Really-From: DFO@C... Oops...sorry about including a major portion of the digest in my last message. Somehow I accidentally sent it before I was ready to. duane ott dfo@c... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1810 Re: tadream-digest V15 #861 PNaunton@a... Thu 3/13/1997 27 KB 1811 Re: tadream-digest V15 #861 ashok prema Thu 3/13/1997 8 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #861 Really-From: DFO@C... > Subject: Re: Tranquility Bass > Really-From: Vic Rek > > >Wrong! This is a totally different guy, a Californian named Mike Kandel. > > I guess I need to watch what I say? Anyway, the tune still sounded cool. Hey, no prob. I was confused at first too. I was familiar with the 'Excursions in Ambience' piece first, and ordered 'The Infection of Time' thinking it was the same people. But, like you, I like 'em both anyway. Other than you & me, I'm not sure how much overlap there is in the audience for the two TBs. From what Dave says, it also seems like the other TB doesn't care much about the conflict, which I find surprising. >A long time ago Ear/Rational had an import album from Sub Sub in their >catalog, but I tried ordering it and they said they couldn't get it >anymore. > >duane ott Thanks for the information. So there really is a 'Sub Sub'. Does anybody out there have their album? Vic NP: Mark Shreeve - Legion (this NP is catching on..) ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:37:19 +0000 Subject: Re: TD Does the Classics Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' Oxygene pts II, IV and V. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _.^~~~~~\ Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... \______/ /\ /\ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:41:05 -0600 Subject: Re: Sound Forge 4.0 ( No TD content) Really-From: feldon@n... At 01:40 PM 3/12/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > >Hi Gabor, you said > >> > Unfortunately, it's non-real-time, but until I can afford >> > Pro-Tools III for my home use, SF is quite sufficient. > >> ProTools III is a multitrack non-destructive system but SF is a >> destructive wave editor. They are very different from the application >> side. Yes, SoundForge is not a true 'pro' program, but it's also $349 and I am VERY happy with the noise removal abilities of the Parametric EQ. I just set my preview to 60 seconds. It takes about 8 seconds to calculate the preview... And to back someone else up on the list, SoundForge is NOT a destructive WAVE editor unless you turn that 'feature/bug' on. You can undo ANY operation except Save (duh!). Morgan feldon@n... ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:48:11 -0600 Subject: Re: Poland versions Really-From: feldon@n... At 04:39 PM 3/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > >I've got the incomplete version aswell. About a week ago, I saw a >'Poland' CD in Tower Records, stating Poland, Tangent, Barbakane, and >Horizon as tracks (which is exactly the tracklisting in the TD homepage >discography). It seemed to be only one disc, though. Now, is that the full >version or not? Does anyone have a track listing of the REAL full >version?? Dennis, TRUST ME when I say that Poland is 2 CDs! I have seen (and quickly avoided) the 'Excerpts from Poland'. It has a cheap black and white (photocopy quality) cover. The full Poland 2CD has a 'wierd' black and white cover (it's on expensive paper and if memory serves, it's black, grey, washed-out purple, and white). I don't know the track list as I don't have the disc. I didn't even know it HAD a track list. Morgan feldon@n... ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:58:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: more on TD does classics Really-From: Gabe Yedid how about Abba--'Mama Mia' (it already sounds rather like 'Turning Off The Wheel') Gabe ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:08:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Sean Montgomery > > Taken from the Tangerine Dream Homepage: > > 64. Roughly what percent of all the TD concerts within the last 25 years > has the band taped for themselves? > > It may sound unbelievable but - there are tapes from each single > concert they've ever played from 1971 up to now locked safely away at TD > lawyer's office in London. > Yeah, but half of the tapes are probably disintegrated beyond all recognition by now. (unless they were hermetically (sp?) sealed in a mayonaisse jar on the porch! :-) ) Dave Brewer ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:22:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Poland versions Really-From: dbrewer@a... > Quoted From: Dennis Nigbur > > I've got the incomplete version aswell. About a week ago, I saw a > 'Poland' CD in Tower Records, stating Poland, Tangent, Barbakane, and > Horizon as tracks (which is exactly the tracklisting in the TD homepage > discography). It seemed to be only one disc, though. Now, is that the full > version or not? Does anyone have a track listing of the REAL full > version?? > Poland has the distinction of being the only non-compilation, official TD release that is too long to fit onto one CD in its entirety. Look at the track times on that CD you saw. If any of them are less than about 18-20 minutes, then it's been hacked. I think the Castle release has Barbakane hacked down to about 13 minutes, but the other three are still whole. Why do companies do stupid things like that anyway? Just so it can fit onto one CD?! That's lame. It's kinda like what happened to Melrose, whose master was supposedly 76 minutes long, but Private didn't want more than an hour on it... Doiii! (that's from the TDIFC, BTW... in case you didn't know) Try to find the Relativity 2CD version of Poland, if you can. (I know it's been stated before, but it should be driven into the ground!!! :-) ) Dave Brewer ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:26:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: (Yet another) TD Classic Really-From: dbrewer@a... I think they could do a good, extended version of Gary Wright's 'Dream Weaver', myself. (Martyn Capel also had this idea) The only thing is, I think the Froese/Haslinger/Froese lineup would have been the best for it. (MHO, of course!) Dave Brewer ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:51:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: TD Does the Classics Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:37:19 +0000 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > >Oxygene pts II, IV and V. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > _.^~~~~~\ > Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... > \______/ > /\ /\ >---------------------------------------------------------------------- Talking about Jarre, I think a TD version of Ethnicolour would be interesting. TD have been experimenting with funny voices all along (Alpha Centauri, Wahn, At Darwin's Motel, Bent Cold Sidewalk,...) Dennis ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:53:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Track Info Request Really-From: Sean Montgomery > So, your help would once again be appreciated in > identifying the location or source (i.e. which album, > single, etc.) of the following : > > Dolphin Smile A version of this is on the Antarktis concert bootleg, which might be easier to track down than the 70/90 disk. A nice track, similar to the quieter sections on Livemiles. > A Time for Heroes (just a single?) Yuppers. It was a one-time-only cd single release from 1987. The company that released it is bankrupt. I think the only place you're likely to find it now is on concert recordings. It's not a great track. It reminds me of the worst of Destination Berlin - but with horn samples. On this disk, TD share space with Meatloaf and Brian May of Queen - another reason not to lose sleep over not having a copy. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:06:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: TD does the Classics Really-From: Sean Montgomery > The theme from 'Dr Who' !!! Ha ha! That's a good one! Of course, they have enough of their own soundtrack music to draw from... Maybe they could do a 'Dream Mixes' treatment on it? Oh wait, it's been done by the Timelords - 'Doctorin' the Tardis...' Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:09:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: more on TD does classics Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Abba--'Mama Mia' (it already sounds rather like 'Turning Off The Wheel') Mama Mia???? How about 'Does Your Mother Know?' I suppose in TDs hands that might sound dangerously like a Jarre number, though. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:12:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: (Yet another) TD Classic Really-From: Sean Montgomery > I think they could do a good, extended version of Gary Wright's 'Dream > Weaver' *lol* Oh, man. I'd leave the concert hall if they pulled something like this! (just kidding, it would probably be fascinating) Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:50:43 -0800 Subject: Re: TD does the classics Really-From: Mark Filipak Rolling Stones 'Satisfaction' ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:47:34 +0100 Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > Quoted From: Sean Montgomery > > It may sound unbelievable but - there are tapes from each single > > concert they've ever played from 1971 up to now locked safely away at TD > > lawyer's office in London. > > > Yeah, but half of the tapes are probably disintegrated beyond all > recognition by now. (unless they were hermetically (sp?) sealed in a > mayonaisse jar on the porch! :-) ) Then Schulze likes mayonaise a lot since he has relesaed more than 14 hours of it's private tapes in Historic ans silver Edition boxes, and some more in his 25 CD aniversary set. Some tapes were from 1970. I have both Historic and Silver boxes and i have to say sound is very good technically speaking. regards francisco ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:18:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: TD does the classics Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Rolling Stones 'Satisfaction' The scariest suggestion thusfar, in that I can almost see them doing this one. Well, maybe 'Gimme Shelter,' anyway. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:24:35 -0500 Subject: Re[2]: TD does the classics Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >> Rolling Stones 'Satisfaction' >The scariest suggestion thusfar, in that I can almost see them doing this >one. Well, maybe 'Gimme Shelter,' anyway. Or perhaps 'Bitch.' Gotta love that horn section! - -B. Kirby ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:42:02 -0800 Subject: Re: A technohead rants...(was Sound Forge, etc) Really-From: Pixel > Pro Tools III is the best system you can buy for pro-recording. > Period. If it wasn't so, people wouldn't buy it, as it costs > roughly 4 times more than a 'similarly specified' system. 'Best' can have different meanings from different aspects. I used both systems extensively and have some experience on them. ProTools is the best if you consider for example the very wide variety of plug-ins. Soundscape wins the user interface contest and it's much better expandable. > The automation of the TDM-based effects and mixing, together > with the sheer number and quality of the plug-ins sets Pro- > Tools apart from the herd. The same system is implemented in Soundscape 2.0 but with much faster DSP cards. > Using a noise-removal program like DINR _in real-time_ is the > eighth wonder of the world ! I love DINR too! Regards GG ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:51:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Sound Forge 4.0 ( No TD content) Really-From: Pixel > > ProTools III is a multitrack non-destructive system but SF is a > > destructive wave editor. They are very different from the application > > side. > > If you mean every time the work is done the editor goes down to 16 bits, > that's rigth. If you mean it doesn't have an undo feature it's wrong. SF > has several levels of 'undo'. No, no. The non-destructive term means that your edits will not perform after you select them. They will work during playtime which means no audio data will be changed on the hard disk - it remains the same as you recorded. When you edit you only build a playback condition list. > > And, if you need real-time wave editor, try Steinberg Wavelab > > from version 1.5. > > I tried it's demo version and I didn't like it. It's very fast but very > sparse, lacking features present on S.Forge plug-ins. I have four different plugins for Wavelab now: denoiser, declicker, maximizer, and Waves Power Pack which consist of L1 maximizer, C1 compressor, Trueverb reverberation, an EQ, and Waveconvert. This quantity is already higher than the plugins you find for SF and there are much more planned. > Besides real time is not necessary. You can make a batch file > with the operations you want done to the wave file and run the editor > during the nigth. In the morning you'll have everythig done. Real-time operation is very good for customizing your edits. It's much more easy to work if you immediately listen to the result. Bye GG ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:08:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Poland versions Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > On Tue, 11 Mar 97 12:06:26 -0500 tadream mailing list > wrote: > >Really-From: Jerry Kindall > > > >The full Poland set is two CDs, so no, you don't have a complete > version. > >-- > >Jerry Kindall > >Manual Labor > >Technical Writing; Internet & WWW Consulting > > > >Author of the Web Motion Encyclopedia > >The comprehensive animation and video reference for Web designers > >Coming Summer '97 from Waite Group Press > > I've got the incomplete version aswell. About a week ago, I saw a > 'Poland' CD in Tower Records, stating Poland, Tangent, Barbakane, and > Horizon as tracks (which is exactly the tracklisting in the TD homepage > discography). It seemed to be only one disc, though. Now, is that the > full version or not? Does anyone have a track listing of the REAL full > version?? > > Dennis Gee, if enough people keep asking about Poland, I keep putting this discography up, eventually all the ?-marks will get squashed. -- Mark The (almost) definative Poland discography POLAND [10 Dec 83] Torwar Ice Rink, Warsaw - EF/CF/JS 1- Poland [22:29] 2- Tangent [15:52] 3- Rarebird [4:01] 4- Barbakane [18:00] 09:18 Warsaw In The Sun, part 1 14:13 Warsaw In The Sun, part 2 5- Horizon [21:07] 14:10 Polish Dance? 2-LP Track layout: 1 - 2.1 - 2.2 - 3 - 4 [1984] Jive-GB- HIP 22 [1984] Rel.-??- ???... [1984] Tonpress-PL- SX-T 64/65 [19??] CNR Records-NL- 573.003/4 (single jacket) [19??] Jive-GB- HIP X 22 (pic-disk: band/scenery) 1-MC Track layout: 1.1 - 1.2 - 1.3 - 2.1 - 2.2 [1984] Jive-??- HIP C 22 [19??] Rel.-US- EMCT 8045 2-CD Track layout: 1.1 - 1.2 - 1.3 - 2.1 - 2.2 [1988] Rel.-US- 88561-8045-2 (track 3 indexed but not labeled) EXTRACTS FROM POLAND -- derived from POLAND 1- Poland [22:21] 2- Barbakane [13:51] 09:18 Warsaw In The Sun, part 1 3- Horizon [20:51] 1-CD [19??] Rel.-DE- 8.26099 ZP [19??] Jive-GB- CHIP 22 [19??] Jive-JP- 32XB-221 POLAND-excerpts -- derived from POLAND 1- Poland [22:00] 2- Tangent [19:52] 15:52 Rarebird 3- Barbakane [15:49] 4- Horizon [20:49] 1-CD [1996] Essential-DE-GB- ESM365 (digital master) [1996] Dureco-NL- ESM365 (digital master?) [1996] Sequel-US- 1044-2 (digital master) ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:10:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Sound Forge 4.0 ( No TD content) Really-From: Pixel > And to back someone else up on the list, SoundForge is NOT a destructive > WAVE editor unless you turn that 'feature/bug' on. You can undo ANY > operation except Save (duh!). As I wrote sooner undo levels have nothing to do with the term 'non-destructive'. It describes the way how to perform the tasks. Bye GG ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:37:27 -0800 Subject: Re: TD does the classics Really-From: Mark Filipak As a 30th aniversary song: 'Tomorrow Never Knows' (Lennon, McCartney) with Edgar doing the 'vocals' on his guitar. ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:57:35 +0000 Subject: Re: TD Does the Classics Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Grant, You've got to be kidding. The TD remake od Purple Haze is awesome.I think the spinning of Jimi in his grave was caused by the awful music on the 'Stone Free' album released a couple of years ago.It was supposed to be a tribute but I believe it was an ABOMINATION.If Jimi was alive today I believe he would want to congradulate Edgar and kill the people on the tribute album. Robert Grabowsky At 05:31 PM 3/12/97 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' > > >Would it be possible for them to hit the 'UNDO' key on 'Purple Haze' ? >Poor Jimi was reported to be spinning in his grave at 2000 RPM. > >While we're on the subject, how about 'Popcorn' by Hot Butter. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > _.^~~~~~\ > Grunt ! [, @ E-Mail : grantm@d... > \______/ > /\ /\ >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 00:26:53 GMT Subject: Err, actually... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Really-From: Vic Rek > >I was just thinking of Tranquility Bass today, well actually not until I >threw on a CD compilation called Excursions in Ambience (1) by Caroline rel. >in 1993. I was cooking dinner and I have no clue why I pulled this out and >played it. But the first track sounded great and guess by who? I also >discovered a few other cool musicians on this compilation. 777 (aka System >7 or vice versa) to name one. The group 'Sub Sub' also sounded cool, but >never have seen an album by them. Anybody have any information on them >(David?)? Err, sorry to be a bit of party pooper but...there are actually two bands called 'Tranquility Bass'. What happened was...we released our album back in October 1995. Three months later we were told about another 'Tranquility Bass' formed by a Mr. Mike Kandel who we believe is based in New York. We tried to contact him via his record company to clarify how the name situation could be resolved. We didn't get very far. Very few people knew about them despite the fact that the compilation CD he was on did rather well. After a few months, we received news that the other Tranquility Bass had signed up to the Astral Werks label. So, we mailed them, and the result that came back was extremely non-commital. It told us nothing. Hence, we decided to stick with the name at least until the EMMA festival in May after which, and dependant upon the audiences reaction, we would then decide to change the band's name. Following the enormous support we've received in the last few weeks by people from this digest I'm far more inclined to keep with the name to avoid confusing all you kind folks who have helped us on our way. Now, back to writing tunes... Cheers David email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:11:31 -0600 Subject: Poland CD Really-From: Michael Fox I have in my hand the Relativity 2CD release--88561-8045-2. Disc one:Poland/22:29 Tangent/19:59 Disc two:Barbakane/18:00 Horizon/21:07 Cover is weird colorized pic of Frose/Schmoelling/Franke Inner sleeve is same as cover--no band info copyright Zomba Ent---made in USA I also have the 2 disk LP (somewhere in the archives) and I think it deletes Barbakane---which I think is the best cut. More fodder, I guess! Mike ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 00:16:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Err, actually... Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Err, sorry to be a bit of party pooper but...there are actually two bands > called 'Tranquility Bass'. > I'm far more inclined to keep with the name to avoid confusing all you > kind folks who have helped us on our way. I don't know about the rest of you, but *I'm* confused already.... *grin* Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 01:11:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-11 20:51:54 EST, you write: << It may sound unbelievable but - there are tapes from each single concert they've ever played from 1971 up to now locked safely away at TD lawyer's office in London. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR >> This _is_ unbelievable. They are also probably irretrievable since audio tapes that are twenty years old are most likely to be unplayable. The chemicals in the tape, the bonding adhesives revert after this period of time, even after controlled environment conditions. I hope to god there is someone out there in charge of this gold mine who knows what they are doing with this priceless treasure trove. I feel a tear running down my face. Phil Naunton ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 01:11:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: TD Does the Classics Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-11 19:17:05 EST, you write: << > >Sean Montgomery wrote: > >> > >> What song would YOU like to hear them do? (points awarded for > >> humour) >> Yes, yes, yes. All very amusing, I'm sure. But what I have really been waiting for Edgar to do solo is Havergal Brian's Symphony #1 'Gothic'. All done in one take on a heavily modified Stylophone, of course. ;-) Goethe from 'Faust' - 'He who ever strives with all his might That man we can redeem.' Phil Naunton ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 01:11:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 5.0 Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-03-11 23:03:43 EST, you write: << A 'vanity label' is when there is a specially-designed-for-the specific-record image on the label rather than the label's standard appearance. I mean label literally, not the organization that prints the records. You mean, this CD came out in the USA??? -- Steven Feldman < >> Really? I though a vanity label was a company which took large sums of money from people with 'Rock Star' Dimentia, in order to print quantities of tapes, CDs, LPs, or whatever, and schedule bookings so these same people can feel like stars, even though they don't have the talent to overflow a thimble. I've got a couple of these at my hi-fi shop. It is usually a good idea not to eat for six hours before listening to these. It can be quite a stomach turning experience. I use the CDs as coasters. Phil Naunton ------------------------------ End of tadream-digest V15 #861 ****************************** Distribution: To: INTERNET:TADREAM-DIGEST@C... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 12:09 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #861 Really-From: ashok prema > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:03:15 GB-EIRE >Subject: Re: 'Associated Musician'?? > >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > >> Really-From: ashok prema >> >Isn't the problem here the fact that the fans are expected >to travel hundreds of miles to see either an individual act >or a group of acts playing at a single 'event'? Do these >people do tours of the whole country? Maybe they can't >afford to, but does that mean that fans then have to shell >out to see people they've maybe only heard of, or perhaps >have one CD of? I don't see that as apathy but as finincial >constraints (but then again, I am a canny Scot). Do you recall the musician Peter Beasley?? after a succesful casstte launch at one of the early UK Electronica's, he was encouraged enough to do what you wanted - a UK Tour - hiring a minibus, and setting up 5 or six gigs in Student Union Buildings, colleges etc - the TOTAL l audience he got over the whole 5 show tour was...............25!!!!! He has since not been heard of - I wonder why?? Dillusionment?? My point is that when TD first gigged - before they hit it big - the was an audience waiting to listen to them - OK they had a new style and were unique - but they were also unheard of at the time. I just wish that more people - and not just EM lovers, but the general public, would take the time and trouble to hear the new musicians of today - because unless they do - they'll never know what they have missed. >> Recently a couple of gigs by respected synth musicians have been cancelled due to >> lack of audience response. Yet when Tangerine Dream tour - the audience >> come flocking!! >Yes, and having 'flocked' down to London for a weekend, >total cost in the region of stlg400, I will be unable to >'flock' anywhere else for some time. I made that effort >because I have more TD CDs than any other artist, they are >my favourite band, they play a unique style of music which >I love irrespective of the period and they hadn't played >here for 6 years. (Of course, it was also rumoured to be >their only live gig for some time, but we now have the >European tour. I still hope Britain will get a visit again, >perhaps closer to home). > >I didn't go to see Franke because >a) Pacific Coast Highway sucks >b) didn't know he was playing Fair Comment - but knowing that the resulting concert was 'The London Concert' don't you wish you had gone?? I too have been disappointed with TD's recent output - and only went to the Bush out of loyalty - and I'm glad that I did, because - like Franke - TD suprised me totally!! The moral here is surely - don't just go to those concerts where you think you KNOW what you'll get - because you could lose out on some great music! > >I didn't go to see Haslinger because >a) FP and WWR are a little on the edge for me (too worldy >and not e-musicy enough) >b) didn't know he was playing > >I didn't go to see Schulze because >a) some of his stuff is excellent, some of it is really, >really naff >b) didn't know he was playing > >Anyone spot a trend there? well - if you're on any mailing lists for synth music (C &D, Neu Harmony, Midas, AMP records) or fanzines ('Voyager') then you would certainly have heard of both the the Haslinger and Shultze gigs. If you're not on ANY of their lists - then perhaps you should do yourself a favour and write to 'Neu Harmony' - you'll get to hear GREAT music from new names.(mail me privatley if you want more info) >> Enough whingeiing, for those interested parties.....my album 'Of Times & >> Places' is available form Archie Pattersons 'EUROCK'. - and if you pester >> Ranjit - he will make it available also. >> >This is the crux, isn't it? Absolutely. No, your stuff (and a lot of >the other stuff discussed on this list) isn't available in Virgin >or Tower or HMV. We have to use mail order or web-based >stores and there you lose a lot of people. Not necessarily people on >this list, but just general fans who don't know about mail >order or web-based (as I was until I joined this list some >years ago). Have you any idea how difficult - sorry impossible - it is for small labels to get their stuff into Virgin and Tower?? The simple fact is, their is a finite amount of rack-space - and new releases in all genre's come out weekly - both from the big boys and us tiddlers - guess who gets preference?? >Once the music is out there, no-one can expect the fan to >go rushing off to the nearest mail order firm and order >every new CD by a band he hasn't heard of. It is either >your or your record company's responsibility to market you >and promote you - to force us to buy it because we're sick >of hearing your name and seeing your face. Dreamland!! Record companies will promote those they feel will be 'cash-cows' - not Joe Bloggs who might sell a few thousand discs over the next couple of years. > >As a result of Dave Hughes recent 'plugging' of his >web-site (and the band to a lesser extent) he made a sale. >But I still had to go 'searching' for it - find the >web-site, access the relevant page, mail the company for >the CD, hope they had it, could I trust them with my credit >card number, etc. Maybe there is a little apathy in me, but >much more than that and I'm not interested. Especially >since for every ten CDs experimented you maybe only get 1 or >2 you actually like. Well, I hope you feel David's album was worth it - maybe the solution is coming soon - a compilation cd of EM artist big and small - listen to this and you'll get a sample track from leading musicans - to help you decide in the future who to go for and who to avoid. WATCH THIS SPACE!! >As you say, a Richard Branson needs to scome to the rescue. - --------------------------------------------- >Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer Regretfully, the Richard Bransons of the world are even turning down the likes of our heroes TD - what chance us heh?? Still - what is life without a little hope? Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 5:35 pm Subject: TD in A'dam Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Ah, finally TD in Amsterdam! They only played here once in 1976 (if I'm correct). So I definitely going to see them over there since it is only 15 min. driving for me. Hope to Dutch, German, Belgium friends over there. Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: destructive vs. non-destructive sound editing Really-From: Jerry Kindall Morgan (feldon@n...) wrote: >And to back someone else up on the list, SoundForge is NOT a destructive >WAVE editor unless you turn that 'feature/bug' on. You can undo ANY >operation except Save (duh!). Having an Undo feature does not mean a program is non-destructive! Non-destructive means that when you delete something out of the middle of a sound, it actually still keeps the deleted samples in the file, but skips over that segment on playback. When you edit non-destructively the program is actually (behind the scenes) assembling a 'play list' that says 'play 1:00-1:05 from this file, now play 2:30-2:45 from this other file, now play 0:15-0:27 from the first file...'. In a true non-destructive system, all effects and mixing is done in real-time on playback, and your original audio data is NEVER touched even when you save. It's ALL there later if you need it. Deck II from Macromedia is the program I'm most familiar with. With Deck II, duplicating, deleting, re-arranging, cross-fading, and certain effects (EQ and a few others) are all non-destructive: they never affect the audio data at all. Running a filter (like some of the limiter or reverb filters available for the program) is destructive in that it permanently changes the audio file on your hard disk. Normalizing and reversing sounds is also destructive in Deck II (although some other programs can handle this non-destructively). So if, after you save a sound in Sound Forge, the file is permanently changed, it is a destructive editor. If you can go back a week later and remove all your edits and effects, it is non-destructive. I'm not familiar with Sound Forge but I assume that, at its price, it's destructive. -- Jerry Kindall Manual Labor Technical Writing; Internet & WWW Consulting Author of the Web Motion Encyclopedia The comprehensive animation and video reference for Web designers Coming Summer '97 from Waite Group Press Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1816 Re: destructive vs. non-destructive sound editing feldon@n... Thu 3/13/1997 3 KB 1819 Re: destructive vs. non-destructive sound editing Pixel Thu 3/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 6:48 pm Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-03-13 01:19:14 EST, you write: << This _is_ unbelievable. They are also probably irretrievable since audio tapes that are twenty years old are most likely to be unplayable. The chemicals in the tape, the bonding adhesives revert after this period of time, even after controlled environment conditions. I hope to god there is someone out there in charge of this gold mine who knows what they are doing with this priceless treasure trove. I feel a tear running down my face. >> naaa...dont believe this....ive got tapes, pre-recorded ones no less, from the 60s, that still play as good as new...and believe me, theyve been through hell...i wouldnt worry too much... tom w np: echo system - headland From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: EM Jokes Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... Further to Elana's gawdawful TD joke, how about these... A very 'in' Klaus Schulze joke: Q: If the Village People did a tribute to Klaus Schulze, what would it be called? A: Y.M.T.I. Q: What's brown, steaming and found in an optician's lavatory? A: Movements of a visionary. With sincerest apologies, Glynn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 7:36 pm Subject: Re: destructive vs. non-destructive sound editing Really-From: feldon@n... At 12:57 PM 3/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Jerry Kindall > > >Morgan (feldon@n...) wrote: > >>And to back someone else up on the list, SoundForge is NOT a destructive >>WAVE editor unless you turn that 'feature/bug' on. You can undo ANY >>operation except Save (duh!). > >Having an Undo feature does not mean a program is non-destructive! >Non-destructive means that when you delete something out of the middle of >a sound, it actually still keeps the deleted samples in the file, but >skips over that segment on playback. When you edit non-destructively the >program is actually (behind the scenes) assembling a 'play list' that >says 'play 1:00-1:05 from this file, now play 2:30-2:45 from this other >file, now play 0:15-0:27 from the first file...'. SoundForge takes excellent advantage of Playlists and highly recommends using them instead of deleting clips out of a soundfile. In a true >non-destructive system, all effects and mixing is done in real-time on >playback, and your original audio data is NEVER touched even when you >save. It's ALL there later if you need it. Now THAT is what's the real issue. Frankly, I would love to buy a real-time sound editor. I would even pay a little $$$ if SoundForge were upgraded to have a real-time EQ! >So if, after you save a sound in Sound Forge, the file is permanently >changed, it is a destructive editor. If you can go back a week later and >remove all your edits and effects, it is non-destructive. I'm not >familiar with Sound Forge but I assume that, at its price, it's >destructive. Yes, once you save, that's all she wrote. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 7:38 pm Subject: Re: Shepherd's Bush Tree info Update Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:47 PM 3/13/97 +0800, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Robin A.Seed' > >>Don't you have a cassette deck ? >> >I for one _do not_ own a tape deck or even a walkman!!!!! >so that really puts me well out of the reckoning. ** >Robin.A.Seed >Hong Kong Let me get this straight: You're living in Hong Kong, electronics capital of... oh never mind! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 7:59 pm Subject: Re: TD Does the Classics At 22:57 97·03·12 +0000, you wrote: >>Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' >>While we're on the subject, how about 'Popcorn' by Hot Butter. I used to have the 45 single when I was ~10, Played it so much it drove the family nuts. I wore the thing out though. Many years later I found the *album* with _Popcorn_ on it, gee just the mention of the piece on the ML makes me want to spin that wax again, but alas I haven't owned a LP player that works for over 8 years! 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:02 am Subject: Re: destructive vs. non-destructive sound editing Really-From: Pixel > So if, after you save a sound in Sound Forge, the file is permanently > changed, it is a destructive editor. If you can go back a week later and > remove all your edits and effects, it is non-destructive. I'm not > familiar with Sound Forge but I assume that, at its price, it's > destructive. Yes, it is. GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 7:59 pm Subject: Re: TD does the classics At 11:50 97·03·12 -0800, you wrote: >Really-From: Mark Filipak >Rolling Stones 'Satisfaction' Devo already did a cool cover of that one. Although It might ne interesting to hear TD though..... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1876 Re: TD does the classics Boneheads1@a... Sat 3/15/1997 2 KB 1901 Re: TD does the classics PNaunton@a... Sun 3/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 8:16 pm Subject: Poland CD Really-From: Craig Shipley Question came up in yesterdays' digest about the Poland CD and LP (Mike Fox, I believe). I own about five different copies of this release (my favorite live TD, but LOGOS is hot on its' heels. Lessee, I have the original 2- LP release, the 2-LP picture release, the first hacked-up CD release and finally, the honest 2-CD release, which I had the pleasure of snagging new for $15.00! Guess I only have four copies :-) ). The original 2-LP release is faithfully reproduced on the 2-CD release; they are equals, no additions or subtractions ('cepting for a whole lot less noise/pops/swooshes/scratches on the CD, 'natch!). objCDPlayer: Boots & Broekhuis / Hydrythmix Project Two Point One Craig Shipley From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 3:23 am Subject: Who me? Spamming... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >As a result of Dave Hughes recent 'plugging' of his >web-site (and the band to a lesser extent) he made a sale. In truth, I've been 'plugging' lots of other acts as well as myself. I believe that there is life after Tangerine Dream and there are musicians out there that deserve to be heard by a wider audience but just can't get through to the CD buying public. >Especially since for every ten CDs experimented you maybe only get 1 or >2 you actually like. I agree that maybe one CD in ten is worthy of public attention. Who is at fault? In many cases, it's the critics who tell us that such 'n' such is the next best thing but, as I've said in my previous posts, the musical content of some CDs is often amounts to less than a Grade II pianist messing about with some synth presets. In many cases, you'll find that a critic simply works for a CD re-seller and it's in their interests to push something which is substandard simply because they need the cash. There's the rub! If you can't hear the music you have to rely on word of mouth that an artist is worthy of further efforts and if you're in a minority area like EM then often the only word you can take is that of a biased critic. I'm not suggesting that every critic is biased in this way : I'm a critic myself but I do get sick and tired of those who should know better spouting off about this and that CD when they _know_ it's a load of crap! But this is the big killer : just how do we promote ourselves? If TD were a small outfit like us how would they go about plugging themselves? The web is the best place to do it : true democracy at work. For the cost of a home PC, a modem and some decent software we can _all_ grab a piece of the action. We gave up trying to deal with record companies : we received some offers and one or two looked very attractive. However, we were very nearly ripped badly as soon as there was a sniff of 'gold' in the air. The big companies are not really interested in small acts like us : occasionally some groups strike lucky. Enya, for example, has done very well but then her music is superlative if a little 'constant'. Anyway, I'm going to finish this missive and my next post _will_ feature some TD content. Honest... Cheers David email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 3:23 am Subject: Me again... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >> Err, sorry to be a bit of party pooper but...there are actually two bands >> called 'Tranquility Bass'. > >> I'm far more inclined to keep with the name to avoid confusing all you >> kind folks who have helped us on our way. > >I don't know about the rest of you, but *I'm* confused already.... *grin* Please don't be confused. I tried to find out what was going on with the 'other' Tranquility Bass by signing on to the 'Intelligent Dance Music' digest. I was with the idm digest for two weeks and, in that time, all they did was dicuss their 'sexual habits' which were pretty strange to say the least. I think we have to be grateful that at least the TD digest sticks relatively close to the subject in hand. Anyway, I'll try to keep you informed of what is happening. Just think how many bands there are with 'Wave' somewhere in the title? How many bands are there with the same name? There are three 'Kaleidoscopes' that I know of. And two Nirvana's. etc etc etc Cheers David email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1826 Re: Me again... Sean Montgomery Thu 3/13/1997 2 KB 1832 Re: Me again... Vic Rek Fri 3/14/1997 3 KB 1841 Re: Me again... TWeibre361@a... Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB 1842 Re: Me again... Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB 1853 Re: Me again... TWeibre361@a... Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 3:23 am Subject: Some TD content at last! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, I did promise some TD content in my next message : so here it is... Following on from Glynn Naughton's previous post regarding this month's Sound-on-Stage magazine, the interview with Edgar and the boys is a techhead's dream come true. Lots of info about their equipment set up and some nuggets about their unhappy relationship with certain synth vendors make interesting reading. Here are a few clips [reproduced without permission : sorry...] Edgar : 'I remember playing Croydon, it was in 1976 I guess, and we were banned from the hall because we reached 134db which was the loudest concert ever in the Croydon Festival Hall, which is pretty funny' says Edgar with a smirk. Edgar : 'The thrill is still there but it has reached a different stage. One thing that does remain the same is that anything that can go wrong will go wrong. In the older days we had to fight against oscillators drifting out of tune because of the rising temperature in the hall. So, even a few seconds before you started playing the sequence on the old modular system you had to put on your headphones and tune the oscillators against themselves and then tune the other three or four to the frequency you wanted.' The interview runs to a good 2000 or 3000 words and there are some excellent pictures taken during the soundcheck. The magazine also features information on Pink Floyd's concert technique and lots of other techhead stuff. Sound-on-Stage can be contacted at the following address : 100517.1113@c... Hope that this is useful. Cheers David email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 3:51 am Subject: VOYAGER'S OUT, honest. Really-From: 'Jason P. Hopkins' THIS IS NOT A MIRAGE. AFTER WEEKS STUCK AT THE PRINTER'S VOYAGER IS NOW SHIPPING. I must apologise for the delay but our printer's equipment decided not to work, hence the delay. So anyone who was wondering where it had disappeared to can rest at ease. --Jason. ++++++++++++++++++++ + JASON P. HOPKINS + ++++++++++++++++++++ VOYAGER MAGAZINE Tangerine Dream & E/M Magazine Holly Farm, 37 Main Street, Kilby, Wigston, Leicestershire, LE18 3TD, England. ** E-Mail: jasonh@g... ** ** 'Phone: +44 116 240 2255 ** ** Fax: +44 116 240 4217 ** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 9:03 pm Subject: Re: Me again... Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Just think how many bands there are with 'Wave' somewhere in the title? How > many bands are there with the same name? There are three 'Kaleidoscopes' > that I know of. And two Nirvana's. etc etc etc Well, you can do what they're had to do with certain bands with duplicate names....letters! Tranquility Bass UK Tranquility Bass X The English Tranquility Bass London Tranquility Bass *yuk yuk* Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Which is Dumber, ID4 or IDM? Ho ho ho. Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Me again... >Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 20:23:57 GMT >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > >[...] signing on to the 'Intelligent Dance Music' digest. I was with the >idm digest for two weeks and, in that time, all they did was dicuss >their 'sexual habits' which were pretty strange to say the least. I >think we have to be grateful that at least the TD digest sticks >relatively close to the subject in hand. [...] Hyuk-yuk-yuk, snuck, gsnorf! He said 'subject in hand.' Heh heh heh. Shut up, Buttmunch. Make me, Beavis! Dillweed. Fartknocker! . . . ;) ;) :) Now would someone kindly start a thread here worth reading? -- Steven Feldman and From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 10:31 pm Subject: Boot list.. Really-From: Todd W Olson Is there a currently updated list like Klaus' 'Bootlegged Dreams?' Sure would like to know more about the current crop of boots. -Todd (currently praying to the protein purification gods) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 2:26 pm Subject: Re: Re: A Compilation That is 50% Another Company's Stuff Really-From: 'Dave Lane' 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Bicentennial Presentation > > Ack! :( I don't recall this title. I have all four Baumann > > albums, and this doesn't ring a bell. And yet, I haven't played much > > of REPEAT REPEAT or STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT for quite some time. ;) > > Again, according to the inlay card, this is 1976. I > therefore assumed I came from the Romance '76 album (the > inlay isn't so helpful to tell us which track comes from > which album). You are correct. (I don't know why they're calling it 'Bicentennial Presentation' now, though): Romance '76 - Bicentennial Present Romance Phase By Phase Meadow Of Infinity The Glass Bridge Meadow Of Infinity Part 2 I was listening to Transharmonic Nights on my way into work this AM.. what TD track is 'Chasing the Dream' based on? Something from 'Stratosfear'? --Dave From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 12:45 am Subject: Re: Poland versions Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:22 AM 3/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: dbrewer@a... > >Try to find the Relativity 2CD version of Poland, if you can. (I know it's >been stated before, but it should be driven into the ground!!! :-) ) Someone said that it's out of print or extremely difficult to find. If anyone needs it, I know a music store where the Poland 2CD set has been patiently waiting for someone to buy it for almost a year now... Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 12:42 am Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:08 AM 3/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > >> Quoted From: Sean Montgomery >> >> Taken from the Tangerine Dream Homepage: >> >> 64. Roughly what percent of all the TD concerts within the last 25 years >> has the band taped for themselves? >> >> It may sound unbelievable but - there are tapes from each single >> concert they've ever played from 1971 up to now locked safely away at TD >> lawyer's office in London. >> >Yeah, but half of the tapes are probably disintegrated beyond all >recognition by now. (unless they were hermetically (sp?) sealed in a >mayonaisse jar on the porch! :-) ) Simply impossible. There is no way those tapes could be even slightly disintegrated. First, Edgar pulled plenty of stuff from Electronic Meditation and Atem for Dream Roots and besides, Virgin just recently re-released all of that stuff recently, re-dubbed directly from the master ANALOG tapes! Those tapes couldn't be in anything but excellent shape. If they weren't, Edgar would have been feverishly cleaning them up with Deck II and dubbing them to master CDs instead of making Tangents. Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 2:01 am Subject: Re: Me again... Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > Err, sorry to be a bit of party pooper but...there are actually two bands > called 'Tranquility Bass'. > >Just think how many bands there are with 'Wave' somewhere in the title? How >many bands are there with the same name? There are three 'Kaleidoscopes' >that I know of. And two Nirvana's. etc etc etc > All this started becuase I threw in the 'Excursions in Ambience 1' into the old CD player. So there are two TB's, but there is another case of this on this same CD. The band 777 is really called System 7 in the UK (where they are from), but go under the name 777 in the US because there is another band in the US called System 7 (I hope I'm right on this before I start another thread). So we have two TB's and two System 7's, where one of each is on the sampler. Now I too will resume discussion on TD, not TB, OK? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 9:18 pm Subject: Re: Concert Recordings Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 97-03-11 20:51:54 EST, you write: > > << It may sound unbelievable but - there are tapes from each single > concert they've ever played from 1971 up to now locked safely away at TD > lawyer's office in London. > > > > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR > >> > > This _is_ unbelievable. They are also probably irretrievable since > audio tapes that are twenty years old are most likely to be unplayable. The > chemicals in the tape, the bonding adhesives revert after this period of > time, even after controlled environment conditions. Well, Phil, I have a 120 min ( normal ferric tape) cassette of Stratosfear and part of Tangram that I recorded from the LP back in 1978. I have another one by Neuronium and other artiosts as well ( including Pink Floyd and ELP) None of them ara damaged so much to become umplayable. I can listen to them and thay keep its basic sound. May be a bit less treble content but still in very good conditions. Myu tapes never weren't on special chambers with controlled conditions and I have moved 4 times since i recordes them, and one of the movings was a major one ( from one continent ( South America) to another one( Europe). As I have mantioned earlier, Klaus has released a lot from his private tapes and although a bit of hiss is present it sounds marvelously. Some of those recordings are from 1972, 74, 75 and 75 and 76 but still sounding good ( only very minor dropouts). Well the released tapes are probably no more than 10% of what Shulze might have, but I don't think, based on my experience, 25 years is too much for a tape. Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:13 am Subject: Promoting e-musicians (no TD content) Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi e-musicians. I have an idea that I think might make minor musical history. There are several musicians on this list who could make use of it and there are huge number of very bright people who could help flesh it out and 'debug' the idea if it seems worthwhile. THE PROBLEM How does an aspirling e-musician start small on a modest budget and establish a fan base from which to launch a general 'assault' on the industry? THE IDEA (some of this is not new, but the combination is) 1- Make 200 CDRs of your stuff (cost: about $1300 in bulk plus a lot of time assuming you already have the equipment) or if you can afford it, make 1000 CDs (cost: about $5000). 2- Make 3 tapes with one excellent composition on each tape. 3- Make 3 copies of the tapes. 4- Find 3 nearby college towns. 5- Get to know the college radio jocks. 6- Give them each tape #1. Tell them there are 2 tapes to follow at 2 week intervals. Explain the scheme to them (be patient, by the end of this blurb you will know what I mean). 7- Rent a small, centrally located theater for an early evening show or a midnight show to be held about 2 months in the future. 8- Make 200 shrink wrapped CD cases containing the following: a- Very nice insert and back paper explaining this scheme and containing THE PROMISE (explained below) so that it is all readable from the outside. b- In place of the CD, put a ticket to your gig. (cost: about $40 in bulk for the cases plus the cost of printing tickets, inserts, and backpapers) 9- Get small, local underground record dealers to sell your CD cases for $15 each with $5 going to them (leaves you with $2000 when all the CD cases with tickets inside are sold). Explain the scheme to the shop owners. 10- Supply tape #2 and tape #3 to the college radio jocks at 2 week intervals for the next month. 11- Have your show, exchanging each ticket for one of your CDRs which you have put in a stout baggie. 12- Repeat steps 1 to 11 in a region a little further away. 13- Repeat steps 1 to 12, three more times (1000 CDRs have been 'given' away at this point). If you haven't been 'discovered' by this time, quit and go back to relying on your day job. THE PROMISE 1- The buyer of the CD case with ticket inside gains entrance to the show plus a 'free' CD to take home. 2- The CD that will be given to each ticket holder is a signed and numbered edition from a limited run of 1000 -- a collector's item of great potential future value. State this clearly on the backpaper. 3- State that if the show is cancelled or the ticket holder is unable to attend, the ticket can be mailed in to get the 'free' CD. 4- State that the limited CDs have all been made (intially, that may be a lie) so the ticket holder is guaranteed to at least get a CD out of the deal. Question: Can this scheme, or a similar scheme work? Of course, you could just try to sell CDs (or CDRs), but this scheme has a bit of a hook that might appeal to people's imagination. If you were able to get local media attention due to the unique nature of the hook, your gigs just might become 'events' in their own right. Regards -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1848 Re: Promoting e-musicians (no TD content) Plumer, Scott Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:47 am Subject: No Future Really-From: Mark Filipak I'm sure this has been answered in the fairly recent past, but I can't find it. I bought 'Risky Business' a couple of weeks ago and track 3, 'No Future', sounds like it was lifted from another album and some simple percussion and synth was laid on top. I've checked all the other albums and the only one left is 'Exit' which I used to have on LP, but haven't gotten on CD yet. Is 'No Future' from 'Exit'? Thanks for any info you can provide. -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1836 Re: No Future Glendale4@a... Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB 1837 Re: No Future Sean Montgomery Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB 1847 Re: No Future Plumer, Scott Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB 1851 Re: No Future Mark Filipak Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:58 am Subject: Re: No Future Really-From: Glendale4@a... Mark - according to the copy of ' EXIT ' that I have the song you are looking for is NOT on this release. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 6:00 am Subject: Re: No Future Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Is 'No Future' from 'Exit'? It is indeed from Exit - in fact, it's the title track! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:22 pm Subject: artist promotion Really-From: ashok prema Subject: Promoting e-musicians (no TD content) >.Really-From: Mark Filipak >Hi e-musicians. I have an idea that I think might make minor musical h>>and there are huge number of very bright people who could help flesh >it out and 'debug' the idea if it seems worthwhile. >................................... 'free' CD. >4- State that the limited CDs have all been made (intially, > that may be a lie) so the ticket holder is guaranteed to > at least get a CD out of the deal. >Question: Can this scheme, or a similar scheme work? >Of course, you could just try to sell CDs (or CDRs), but this scheme has >a bit of a hook that might appeal to people's imagination. If you were >able to get local media attention due to the unique nature of the hook, >your gigs just might become 'events' in their own right. Thanks to Mark for a considered plan for promoting unknown musicians. I haven't thought about the pro's or con's of the idea - but his effort alone is to be lauded! Does anyone have a date for TD's concert in Amsterdam??? I'll certainly be keen to go there!! , Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1854 Re: artist promotion Marcel Engels Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB 1867 Re: artist promotion Paul Nagle Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:44 pm Subject: Tickets for the TD concert in Brussels available Really-From: Tom Coppens Hi you all, Surf to http://www.belgacom.be/olwr/ to order your tickets for the TD concert in Brussels. (they also sell tickets for the Jarre concert later this year) Gotta Run, Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 1:11 pm Subject: D: the list addendum Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' This is Lars' complete D: list addendum. If anyone had anything to add, let me or Lars know. April 7, WEEK 1) '70-'80 box set (4 non-LP tracks **+ remixes!**) April 14, WEEK 2) Dream Roots Collection: (primarily Disc 5; but any aspect of the DRC is open for discussion) April 21, WEEK 3) Goblin's Club April 28, WEEK 4) Oasis (who knows, by the time this comes up, it might be finally be out on cd!) may 5, WEEK 5) Rumpelstiltskin May 12, WEEK 6) Shepherd's Bush CD may 19, WEEK 7) Tangents (Primarily Disc 5, but any aspect of tangents would be open for discussion) may 26, WEEK 8) Three Phase - June 2, WEEK 9) Video Dream Mixes. Hopefully this will be out! June 9, WEEK 10) Other compiliations/etc 'OPEN WEEK' discussion This week would be used for discussing compilations not previously discussed and those which don't present new material but worthy in their own right because of editing or track selection (but not remixings or those which include new releases such Private Music of TD--see below) or whatever; this would include things like 'Dream Sequence', etc. This is also a week for anyone new or 'delinquent' on their D:list posts to catch up. before we move on to the D:solo list The d:solo list should start then on the week of June 16 cheers lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 1:49 pm Subject: Re: Me again... Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-03-13 21:06:36 EST, you write: << The band 777 is really called System 7 in the UK (where they are from), but go under the name 777 in the US because there is another band in the US called System 7 (I hope I'm right on this before I start another thread). historically, u are right on the money...but, the nomenclature confusion has been settled and system 7's latest, the power of 7, has been released in the us under its uk name...and what an excellent disc it is... tom w np: namlook/hawtin - from within (another excellent disc) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 8:57 pm Subject: Re: Me again... Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > > np: namlook/hawtin - from within (another excellent disc) > I agree. Have you got the second one? Is it worth searching out? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 8:05 pm Subject: Weekend Game Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Okay, I've just sent (or at east tried to send) amial to Mr. Matthew Bannister, controller of Radio One here in the UK. Imagine the scene : two weeks time, and I get mail back stating that he has agreed to my suggestion to produce a 2-hour show specifically for e-music. But only one pilot show will be produced to guage public interest, and he wants me to do it! (Come on, it's my game, I can make it as unrealistic as I like). So, the game is, what tracks would you select to show what a regular programme would provide? What would the first hour of music be in order to grab the attention of the listener (assuming that initially most listeners are fans of this type of music anyway - we'll worry about taking over the world later) and make them want to 'tune in again next week'? Anyone want to make suggestions? A couple of sprawling tracks? One of Namlook's hour-long pieces or a collage of shorter tracks? --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 9:23 pm Subject: Yuk Yuk! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello all... >> Just think how many bands there are with 'Wave' somewhere in the title? How >> many bands are there with the same name? There are three 'Kaleidoscopes' >> that I know of. And two Nirvana's. etc etc etc > >Well, you can do what they're had to do with certain bands with duplicate >names....letters! > >Tranquility Bass UK >Tranquility Bass X >The English Tranquility Bass >London Tranquility Bass > >*yuk yuk* Switching to _very_ heavy sarcasm mode : Oh this is so funny. Me and the Mrs just _stopped_ everything we did and laughed 'till we went to sleep over this one. My sides are still hurting from the fun and jolly japes as we... ... Switched out of sarcasm mode : Yes, ladies and gentlemen, I agree it is _very_ confusing. Cheers David email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 9:23 pm Subject: A thread worth reading? Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hello, again... And finally... >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Now would someone kindly start a thread here worth reading? Over to you, Steve. Let's see if you can keep everybody's attention. I wait with baited breath... Cheers David email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 9:23 pm Subject: Promoting e-musicians Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Mark, your suggestions sound good. I'm going to reply to you privately because I'm beginning to wonder if one or two folk on the digest are just a little bored with me and Ash promoting our discs on the TD digest. >Really-From: Vic Rek > >Now I too will resume discussion on TD, not TB, OK? >Vic > Now would someone kindly start a thread here worth reading? > > -- Steven Feldman and > Hell, I thought we were plugging other EM bands as well...including TD. My passion is for EM of all flavours and not just my own music. I don't like 'spamming' the digest with blatent plugs for my album. Some issues were raised in public and I felt that it was appropriate to reply _in_public. Mark, should we approach Dave Datta and see if it's worth setting up a new discussion group aimed at folk who are interested in talking about _other_ EM bands? Vic, Steve : is it ok if I put my web page address as the bottom of my posts or should I just refrain from mailing the list? Everybody else : would you please, out of courtesy to others on the list, mail me privately if you have any questions regarding Tranquility Bass UK. I'm happy to discuss any issues you might have. And, yes, Vic and Steve : you guess it. I am somewhat pissed off with the above comments... David email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1849 Re: Promoting e-musicians Vic Rek Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB 1858 Re: Promoting e-musicians Mark Filipak Fri 3/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 2:39 pm Subject: Re: No Future Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> Is 'No Future' from 'Exit'? >It is indeed from Exit - in fact, it's the title track! I thought that one was 'Get off the babysitter.' Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 2:38 pm Subject: RE: Promoting e-musicians (no TD content) Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >5- Get to know the college radio jocks. >6- Give them each tape #1. Tell them there are 2 tapes to > follow at 2 week intervals. Explain the scheme to them > (be patient, by the end of this blurb you will know what > I mean). You forgot something. Have your friends and yourself call the radio stations during the appropriate shows and request your music. Don't let on that you're associated with the band. A local Cleveland band did that, and eventually they landed themselves a rather lucrative national career. Their name? Nine Inch Nails. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 3:26 pm Subject: Re: Promoting e-musicians Really-From: Vic Rek Oh David! Sensitive, sensitive. Having a bad day? What in my statement pissed you off I'd like to know? The comment referred to your own in an earlier post anyway about returning to TD discussion, so I don't get it. And I started this 2 TBs thread in the first place. So relax, and if I could, I'd pour you a drink (make it a double-please!). Vic >>Now I too will resume discussion on TD, not TB, OK? >>Vic > >And, yes, Vic and Steve : you guess it. I am somewhat pissed off with the >above comments... > >David > >email : dhughes@g... >web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Updated 1997 tour list Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hi folks TD have updated the 1997 tour on their homepage. There's also a bunch of material up there about the Easter Island contest that's a fun read. For those of you without Web access, here's what they are calling the 'final' dates for the 1997 Europe tour, which is a good bit smaller than their first list (e.g. no dates in Switzerland and France, among other places). I'd guess there will be some disappointed people out there....no sign of British or American dates either. --John --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ - ---------------------------- Tickets are available from: Moderne Welt GmbH Marienbaderstr. 6/1, D-70372 Stuttgart Tel.: +49.711.9547474 Fax: +49.711.9547470 Tangerine Dream European Tour 1997 Starting at April 9th, Tangerine Dream will open the European Tour 1997 with the following concerts: Wed, 04/09/97 Vienna Museumquarti er Thu, 04/10/97 Stuttgart Filharmonie Fri, 04/11/97 Bonn Beethovenhal le Sat, 04/12/97 Munchen Circus Krone Bau Sun, 04/13/97 Erlangen Stadthalle Erlangen Tue, 04/15/97 Hamburg Musikhalle Wed, 04/16/97 Berlin Hochschule der Kuenste Thu, 04/17/97 Hannover Music Hall Fri, 04/18/97 Neu-Isenburg Hugenottenha lle Sat, 04/19/97 Brussels Ancienne Belgique Sun, 04/20/97 Amsterdam Melkweg Max Tue, 04/22/97 Budapest Petofi Csarnok Wed, 04/23/97 Zabrze (Poland) Dom Muziki I Tanca Thu, 04/24/97 Prague Sky Club Brumlovka Sat, 05/31/97 Athen Lycabetus Theater Sun, 06/01/97 Thessaloniki to be announced Fri, 07/11/97 to Sun, 07/13/97 Doctor Music Festival near Barcelona/Spain This are the final dates for the first part of the '97 Tour. We will keep you informed about further dates in spring and summer as soon as the details have been worked out. TD has the most busiest year one can imagine in front of them - so they are booked for lots of projects which hopefully will still allow them to see as many of you as possible during gigs in Europe and elsewhere. This list was last updated on Thu, 03/12/97. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1871 Re: Updated 1997 tour list Francisco Salgado C. Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 4:19 pm Subject: Re: No Future Really-From: Mark Filipak The track's full name is indeed 'No Future (Get Off the Babysitter)'. I was just conserving bandwidth. :-) -- Mark tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >> Is 'No Future' from 'Exit'? > > >It is indeed from Exit - in fact, it's the title track! > > I thought that one was 'Get off the babysitter.' > > Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TDI, TotT, ToB (was Re: A thread worth reading?) Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Struck Dumb for the Nonce' >Subject: A thread worth reading? >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:23:34 GMT >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > >>Really-From: Steven Feldman >> >> Now would someone kindly start a thread here worth reading? > >Over to you, Steve. Let's see if you can keep everybody's attention. Right now, I couldn't because I don't really have much to say; I wouldn't even venture to try. I got two flame war-type of postings off my chest and I'm content to return to lurker status for a bit, now. >I wait with baited breath... Don't bother. You'll probably be disappointed. Sorry, but the TD list has gotten too busy. It's not that the signal to noise ratio is imbalanced or anything; it's just that there's too much going on for me to read if I want to continue to have a job where I read this stuff. Oh, I do have one question: if the TDI versions of TotT and ToB both say 'Limited Edition' or whatnot on them, what's to prevent these so-called 'limited editions' from being the *only* editions? Somehow, I don't see TDI releasing non-limited versions afterwards. I mean, why waste the time and effort? Am I missing something? -- Steven Feldman and Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1865 Re: TDI, TotT, ToB (was Re: A thread worth readin Mark Filipak Fri 3/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:19 pm Subject: Re: Me again... Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-03-14 09:20:28 EST, you write: << > np: namlook/hawtin - from within (another excellent disc) > I agree. Have you got the second one? Is it worth searching out? >> didnt know there was one...but now i WILL be searching for it....thanks for the tip....regards, tom w np: atom heart/inoue/laswell - second nature From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:31 pm Subject: Re: artist promotion Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Does anyone have a date for TD's concert in Amsterdam??? I'll certainly be > keen to go there!! > > > , Ash Tangerine Dream in Amsterdam. sunday april 20 Melkweg Amsterdam begins at 21.00h Marcel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 5:51 pm Subject: New TD lineup / see oficial web page Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' NEW LINE-UP Another big surprise for all who will attend the European shows - you will see and hear the new incarnation of TD. Edgar & Jerome decided long before their Shepherd´s Bush gig in London Nov.96 that the last chapter of a long decade using Sax and various 'normal' Instruments will be over. Shepherd´s Bush was the last gig of the old Line-up. On the upcoming european tour you will see on stage: Jerome Froese Keyboards & Programming Edgar Froese Keyboards & Programming/Guitar Marc Alexej Guitar & Guitar FX Emil Hachfeld Electronic Percussion & Codotronic As far as the show is concerned you will enter into a very inspiring room of sounds and visuals ......... (as you know it from TD). +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1861 Re: New TD lineup / see oficial web page Mark Filipak Fri 3/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 1:05 am Subject: Force Majeure Revelation! Really-From: ashok prema Heeeeeeeey! I'm listening to 'Force Majeure ' and guess what?? the 'Big Ben BONGGGGG' comes in so near to 12 mins in the track (Ok 11m .47s) GEDDIT?? 12.noon! Is this a coincidence ??? Or just my imagination running overtime! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 1:03 am Subject: new line up Really-From: ath@s... (Armin Theissen) > >NEW LINE-UP > >[...] > > Jerome Froese Keyboards & Programming > Edgar Froese Keyboards & Programming/Guitar > Marc Alexej Guitar & Guitar FX > Emil Hachfeld Electronic Percussion & Codotronic > >As far as the show is concerned you will enter into a very inspiring >room >of sounds and visuals ......... (as you know it from TD). >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= >++++++ > > so I won't meet Linda in Bonn? buuuhh Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1866 Re: new line up Mark Filipak Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 6:12 pm Subject: Re: Promoting e-musicians Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Vic Rek > > Oh David! > > Sensitive, sensitive. Having a bad day? What in my statement > pissed you off I'd like to know? The comment referred to your own > in an earlier post anyway about returning to TD discussion, so I > don't get it. And I started this 2 TBs thread in the first place. > So relax, and if I could, I'd pour you a drink (make it a > double-please!). > > Vic David's just paranoid that he's SPAMing the list. He's even afraid to put his web page in his sig for fear that he'll offend someone. Hey Dave! We love ya. (These sensitive guys have to be handled gently) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 6:20 pm Subject: Poland one more time.. Really-From: Michael Fox FYI: Looking at the US Relativity release of 2LP Poland index # is EMC8045. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: The Oasis **CD** and new Gob Club CD! Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hold onto your wallets, everyone.... Thanks Francisco, for pointing out the info about the new TD lineup (no more Linda Spa, it looks like). Anyone know what a 'Codotronic' is? Without sax accompaniment and WITH a dedicated 'electronic percussionist' it looks like you lucky devils who'll see the tour will likely hear some totally new music! I checked the Webpage and I see even more info about the tour they just posted, about merchandising: They'll be selling 'prerelease' copies of the 'Oasis' music CD release at the shows as well as a new 'Australian' version of Goblin's Club. AAAAAAAAAARGH. The quote from the newsticker is below: OASIS & GOBLINS CLUB AUSTRALIAN VERSION During the tour you will also have the chance to get pre-sale releases of the Oasis soundtrack (full CD length) and a new version of Goblins Club released officially in Australia only. This Version has a different artwork and one track change. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 6:51 pm Subject: Re: New TD lineup / see oficial web page Really-From: Mark Filipak Francisco Salgado wrote: > > NEW LINE-UP > > Another big surprise for all who will attend the European shows - you > will see and hear the new incarnation of TD. Edgar & Jerome decided > long before their Shepherd´s Bush gig in London Nov.96 that the last > chapter of a long decade using Sax and various 'normal' Instruments > will be over. Shepherd´s Bush was the last gig of the old Line-up. On > the upcoming european tour you will see on stage: > > Jerome Froese Keyboards & Programming > Edgar Froese Keyboards & Programming/Guitar > Marc Alexej Guitar & Guitar FX > Emil Hachfeld Electronic Percussion & Codotronic > > As far as the show is concerned you will enter into a very inspiring > room of sounds and visuals ......... (as you know it from TD). Somehow I had the feeling that 'Dream Mixes' and 'Goblins' Club' marked an experiment that had to end and that some serious shit was going to happen next. Nothing prescient on my part -- just the realization that things couldn't continue as they had been. And remember that Edgar has been screwing around with his 'E-Ball'. Will you guys see it on stage? Hmmmm.... Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 7:54 pm Subject: tape archiving Really-From: Fausto Montoya The oldest tape in my collection is a recording of a Police album made in 1978. It still plays fine. My mother used to tape me too when I was very young. Right now I'm listening to a cassette that is 24 years old and it sounds ok, though the treble is quite bad, though of course that should be because of how it was recorded in one of the first philips mono cassette recorders. Now, if we are talking of 1/2 inch reel tape, I think it should last much longer, maybe over a century. So I guess TD concerts are still safe. Juan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 7:00 pm Subject: Has the torch been passed? (was: New TD lineup) Really-From: Mark Filipak Francisco Salgado wrote: > > NEW LINE-UP > > Another big surprise for all who will attend the European shows - you > will see and hear the new incarnation of TD. Edgar & Jerome decided > long before their Shepherd´s Bush gig in London Nov.96 that the last > chapter of a long decade using Sax and various 'normal' Instruments > will be over. Shepherd´s Bush was the last gig of the old Line-up. On > the upcoming european tour you will see on stage: > > Jerome Froese Keyboards & Programming > Edgar Froese Keyboards & Programming/Guitar > Marc Alexej Guitar & Guitar FX > Emil Hachfeld Electronic Percussion & Codotronic > > As far as the show is concerned you will enter into a very inspiring > room of sounds and visuals ......... (as you know it from TD). I had to check the TD web page myself to confirm this. Jerome is listed first, exactly as above. Has the torch been passed? Double-Hmmmm.... Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1868 Re: Has the torch been passed? (was: New TD lineu Sean Montgomery Fri 3/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: D: _Underwater Sunlight_ Really-From: Marshall Wood _Underwater Sunlight_ (1986) Rating: 5 AS This was among my first TD purchases, and has been a favorite since my first listen. 'Song of the Whale' is awesome. The breathy keyboard sounds in part one evoke the immense bulk of the whale moving effortlessly through the water. And Froese's guitar is suitably powerful in its suggestion of the majesty of the graceful undersea behemoth. 'Dolphin Dance' is appropriately playful, as the title would suggest. A bouncy beat, more powerful guitar leads, and lively keyboard work really make this track stand out from the more 'commercial' tracks (e.g., 'Dominion') that TD recorded back during the Schmoelling years. Those tracks never did anything for me. There is some great bass work on 'Ride on the Ray,' and more guitar soloing from Froese. Bliss! 'Scuba Scuba' takes a break from the electric guitar, instead concentrating on new percussive sounds. I love the multiple layers of keyboards on 'Underwater Twilight.' Great percussion on this one as well. A nice way to come down after a thrilling ride. Sonic ecstasy. My highest recommendation. 5 AS. MWood From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 7:23 pm Subject: Re: TDI, TotT, ToB (was Re: A thread worth reading?) Really-From: Mark Filipak Steven Feldman wrote: > > Oh, I do have one question: if the TDI versions of TotT and ToB > both say 'Limited Edition' or whatnot on them, what's to prevent these > so-called 'limited editions' from being the *only* editions? Somehow, > I don't see TDI releasing non-limited versions afterwards. I mean, why > waste the time and effort? Am I missing something? You're not missing anything that I can see. TDI may continue to put out 'limited' editions, but there's that little American company called Miramar that one must assume is still cranking out truely limited (read: crippled) CDs for us American consumers to buy.... and they own the license in these here parts. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 7:03 pm Subject: Re: new line up Really-From: Mark Filipak Armin wrote: > > so I won't meet Linda in Bonn? buuuhh Buck up Armin. Maybe she has some time on her hands now. :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 2:08 am Subject: Re: artist promotion Really-From: Paul Nagle On Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:22:55, Ash wrote: >Does anyone have a date for TD's concert in Amsterdam??? I'll certainly be >keen to go there!! Amsterdam huh? I've only just recovered strength (and bodily fluids) from my last visit (which, incidentally, was also on the pretence of watching some EM....) Might see you there Ash. Mind you after some of those funny cigarettes I think I did last time.... 8-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ Paul Nagle - paul@s... www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 7:42 pm Subject: Re: Has the torch been passed? (was: New TD lineup) Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > Jerome Froese Keyboards & Programming > > Edgar Froese Keyboards & Programming/Guitar > > Marc Alexej Guitar & Guitar FX > > Emil Hachfeld Electronic Percussion & Codotronic > > I had to check the TD web page myself to confirm this. Jerome is listed > first, exactly as above. Has the torch been passed? Interesting point, but I wouldn't wonder about it too much. I suspect it's still very much a partnership. I will be curious to hear what effect this shift will now have on the band's sound. I assume this means we will no longer have to endure 'Dreamtime'. Who are the two new guys? Two more hired guns? Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 12:49 am Subject: Re: Poland versions Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:45:28 -0600 tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: feldon@n... > > >At 11:22 AM 3/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Really-From: dbrewer@a... >> >>Try to find the Relativity 2CD version of Poland, if you can. (I know it's >>been stated before, but it should be driven into the ground!!! :-) ) > >Someone said that it's out of print or extremely difficult to find. If >anyone needs it, I know a music store where the Poland 2CD set has been >patiently waiting for someone to buy it for almost a year now... > >Morgan >feldon@n... Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1889 Re: Poland versions Dennis Nigbur Sat 3/15/1997 2 KB 2098 Poland versions feldon@n... Wed 3/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 8:24 pm Subject: D: Next week White Eagle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 2020 D: Next week Plumer, Scott Fri 3/21/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 9:29 pm Subject: Re: Updated 1997 tour list Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Fri, 07/11/97 to > Sun, 07/13/97 Doctor Music Festival near Barcelona/Spain Good by to my Madid concert !!! Well That concert is near France !!!, and in the middle of a Macro Festival with more than 80 artists !!!. There is only a global fee for the whole festival ( 3 days ) not for an specific concert. The place for me is really awfull, I don't think I could go. I reccoment you to go to the link 'doctor Music Festival' that is on that line and see --> http://www.putput.intercom.es/ regards francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TD: Too Prolific Really-From: Steven Feldman In an attempt to impress a friend with how much product TD has churned out over the past two years, I selected every TD album, solo album, soundtrtack album, compilation album, and video, and came up with this staggering list: (17 or 20 items, depending on how figure it.) -- Steven Feldman and + + + + + + + TANGERINE DREAM POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 5.0, by Steven Feldman (3/10/97): 5 96 GOBLINS' CLUB ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK RECORDINGS: ? 93 OASIS (video recorded in 1993; video release in 1996; CD release in 1997) 7 94 ZONING (video sndtrck; 1st rel 1996; white tray, booklet)[a Froese solo?] ? 97 THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES COMPILATIONS: - 96 ATMOSPHERICS [similar to the FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK compilation] 8 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of 95 rel has diff cover and a 2nd disk) ? THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set, with one all-new CD) - TANGERINE DREAM (all of PHAEDRA, half of RUBYCON, STRATOSFEAR title cut) - 97 THE BRICK ([Miramar] ROCKOON, 220 V, TURN, TYRANNY, and D MIXES in a box) PETER BAUMANN (1972-1977) solos: - 96 PHASE BY PHASE ([{UK} Virgin Vault] compilation) CHRISTOPH(ER) FRANKE (1971-1989) solos: ? 96 NIGHT OF THE RUNNING MAN (cabl TV sndtrck; w/ Berlin Symphonic Film Orch) ? THE CELESTINE PROPHESY (based on the book) ? TENCHI MUYO IN LOVE--THE MOVIE (sndtrck to Japanimation movie; digipak) ? PERRY RHODAN: PAX TERRA (inspired by a series of sci-fi novels) ? 97 BABYLON 5, VOLUME 2: MESSAGES FROM EARTH (TV soundtrack) ? TRANSFORMATION OF MIND (narration by Deepak Chopra, music by Franke) (PAUL) HASLINGER (1986-1990) solos: [See also LIGHTWAVE and COMA VIRUS (other bands featuring Haslinger), listings for which follow the Tributes to Tangerine Dream section.] ? 96 WORLD WITHOUT RULES TRIBUTES TO TANGERINE DREAM (Tangerine Dream Tribute Albums) ? 96 TANGERINE AMBIENCE--A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM (Hypnotic [Cleopatra]) 4 THE KEEP by the Fantasy Merchants (German; tracks from 6 diff TD sndtrks) COMA VIRUS (featuring Paul Haslinger ? 96 HIDDEN Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1874 Re: TD: Too Prolific dbrewer@a... Fri 3/14/1997 3 KB 1875 Re: TD: Too Prolific Sean Montgomery Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB 1885 Re: TD: Too Prolific PENFOLD Sat 3/15/1997 3 KB 1993 Re: TD: Too Prolific Francisco Salgado C. Thu 3/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 9:57 pm Subject: Baumann's Chasing The Dream Really-From: Tony Marshall >I was listening to Transharmonic Nights on my way into >work this AM.. what TD track is 'Chasing the Dream' based >on? Something from 'Stratosfear'? > That's what it reminds me of. It's by far the best thing Baumann has ever done.. Tony Marshall |#include ----------------------|--------------------------------------------------- My Mystery Tune Page http://www.personal.u-net.com/~zigzag From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 10:20 pm Subject: Re: TD: Too Prolific Really-From: dbrewer@a... This is along the lines of what happened to me today. I was sitting in the library studying, and I had my '92 NA tour shirt on. A friend of mine noticed the shirt and started talking with me, saying he had a couple of albums starting with Optical Race, but hasn't been keeping up with the band's output lately. I told him I had over 50 CDs of theirs (not counting the solo albums), and he had to confirm 'Five-zero??!'. Then I said something about them being around for nearly 30 years and being about as prolific as the Beatles to help justify the number. I don't think it's too much... Hey, I gotta be obsessive about something! :-) Dave Brewer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1875 Re: TD: Too Prolific Sean Montgomery Fri 3/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 14, 1997 10:53 pm Subject: Re: TD: Too Prolific Really-From: Sean Montgomery > band's output lately. I told him I had over 50 CDs of theirs (not counting > the solo albums), and he had to confirm 'Five-zero??!'. This is how I reacted when, after a couple of months of being interested in the band, I found a record store with good collection of their albums. My jaw dropped. At that point, that interest became a full-time hobby. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Knowledge is power only if it doesn't make you depressed and cynical' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 2:35 am Subject: Re: TD does the classics Really-From: Boneheads1@a... How about the theme from the old TV show 'Batman'? It would be in keeping with their soundtrack work. Or maybe the 'Addams Family'? They could do analogue finger snaps for a techno twist... Tim From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 4:59 am Subject: Free Income Opportunity Info! Really-From: alanmako@t... We believe that the following information may be of interest to you. If this is not the case, then we apologize for your inconvenience and ask that you simply delete this message. We do not keep a 'remove' list because our bulk email software automatically keeps track of the email addresses we have already sent this message to. 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Thank-you for taking the time to read this message! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1878 Re: Free Income Opportunity Info! Levente.Toth Sat 3/15/1997 3 KB 1884 Re: Free Income Opportunity Info! PENFOLD Sat 3/15/1997 3 KB 1888 Re: Free Income Opportunity Info! Jeff Kortsch Sat 3/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 8:54 am Subject: Re: Free Income Opportunity Info! Really-From: 'Levente.Toth' tadream mailing list wrote: > May I have your permission to email you some more information? > I'd like to email you more information about a fantastic income opportunity > which pays you a multi-level commission for referring people to high-quality > nutritional and skincare products. Now this certainly made my day. Who the hell are these people? And how many more of this s***t will be posted inthe future? Levente **************************************************************** * Levente Toth (levi@c...) - Centre for Intelligent * * Systems, University of Plymouth, Drake Circus, Plymouth * * Devon,England WEB: www.cis.plym.ac.uk/cis/levi/home.html * * Tel: 44-1752-233514, 233516 / Fax: 44-1752-232583 * **************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 5:01 pm Subject: TD's Amsterdam gig Really-From: ashok prema ally-From: Paul Nagle On Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:22:55, Ash wrote: >>Does anyone have a date for TD's concert in Amsterdam??? I'll certainly be >>keen to go there!! >Amsterdam huh? I've only just recovered strength (and bodily fluids) >from my last visit (which, incidentally, was also on the pretence of >watching some EM....) >Might see you there Ash. Mind you after some of those funny cigarettes >I think I did last time.... 8-) Paul - Amsterdam's so full of amateurs - that I make sure that full control of my bodily fluids stay ALWAYS in my own capable hands!! Cracking restaurants though!! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 7:27 pm Subject: promoting e-musicians Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >You forgot something. Have your friends and yourself call the radio >stations during the appropriate shows and request your music. Don't let >on that you're associated with the band. A local Cleveland band did >that, and eventually they landed themselves a rather lucrative national >career. Their name? Nine Inch Nails. Scott, this is a really good idea which we've tried in the past but our local student radio station won't play anything other than dance music. Our local commercial station just puts the phone down on local bands. Our BBC station which is mainly 'talk-based' does play tracks by local musicians but I gather this is at around ten AM on Sunday morning just after the whippet racing results. This means l..o...w.... audiences. We are, however, going to approach them to see if they would be interested in a two-hour 'pilot' show along the lines that Craig suggested earlier. I'll let you know what happens. Thanks David email : dhughes@g... web page : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 12:59 pm Subject: Re: UNSCRIBE Really-From: Bill Murphy 'UNSUBSCRIBE' TADREAM MAILING LIST nstn1309@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 2:46 pm Subject: Re: Dream Roots Collection Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ingo_P=FCschmann?=' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Re: Dream Roots Collection > Date: Sonntag, 9. März 1997 03:51 > > Really-From: dbrewer@a... > > > > Quoted From: 'Ceb Blankenship, Jr.' > > > > Hello! I recently purchased Tangents and I think its great!! I've > > been a TD fan since 1973. The great thing about Edgar's remixing > > and updating on Tangents is that its like hearing all the old Virgin > > stuff like new again and comparing it to the old recordings. > > I agree with you! Between the remixed versions of songs already released > and the new tracks on disc 5 (which I don't think are all *that* bad, > just a mild disappointment with the absence of the 70-80 tracks and a few > others), I think this is a fine addition to most any fan's collection. > (with a few exceptions! :-) ) > > > > > I admit I've been lurking on this list awhile and have really enjoyed > > the discussions and knowledge put forth about TD. I also know this > > subject has been discussed before but I need clarification again... > > Last night I saw the 'Dream Roots Collection' at Borders Books and > > Music here in Wash. DC. Since I probably have every TD cd (including > > the SBM versions) is this box set worth buying? I know one CD has > > some unreleased tracks, are they any good? Did Edgar tangetize all > > the other cuts with updated sounds? Is the sound quality as good as > > Tangents? What does the booklet included contain? Need some help > > with this guys, so if any of you have purchased DRC please respond. > > Thanks and DREAM ON!!! > > If you liked Tangents, you should like DRC. It's pretty much the same > idea, only with different periods of music. I do wish that the 70-73 > tracks had more representation, but at least there's some on there. DRC > disc 5 is quite a bit better than Tangents disc 5 (I think most anyone > here will tell you this). They're all Froese/Franke compositions, and > they sound like them too (i.e. classic :-) ) All of the previously > released tracks were remastered and remixed, but I don't think any were > completely rerecorded/reperformed. Sound quality is professional, like > Tangents. The booklet has some info about the history of the band during > these time periods, and 95(!) photos of the band from the late 60's up to > present day. (you finally get to see what The Ones looked like!) > > I hope this helped! > > Dave Brewer > > np- 220 Volt Live (it's rare when I have to work on a terminal w/ a CD > drive and think to bring in discs!) bla..... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 6248 Dream Roots Collection Michael A Jean Sun 8/3/1997 3 KB 21972 Dream Roots Collection Brian M. Frick Sat 4/15/2000 2 KB 21973 Re: Dream Roots Collection Rainer Rutka Sat 4/15/2000 3 KB 21974 Re: Dream Roots Collection Andrew Rozsa Sat 4/15/2000 2 KB 21980 Re: Dream Roots Collection Gustavo Jobim Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22018 Re: Dream Roots Collection Andrew Rozsa Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22029 Re: Dream Roots Collection =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Vill Mon 4/17/2000 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 2:24 pm Subject: Re: tape archiving (non-TD content) At 19:54 97·03·14 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: Fausto Montoya > Now, if we are talking of 1/2 inch reel tape, I think it should >last much longer, maybe over a century. So I guess TD concerts are still >safe. When my Grandfather passed away in '76 we were sent his recorder to make copies of recordings. We discovered why we were sent the machine as well. The thing was a *wire* recorder. 'I've always wanted to try to ship a box of helium balloons that floated every so slightly. Do you think that Fed Ex would pay *me* to ship that box?' - Steve Gere /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 2:25 pm Subject: Re: Free Income Opportunity Info! At 08:54 97·03·15 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Levente.Toth' >Now this certainly made my day. Who the hell are these people? And how >many more of this s***t will be posted inthe future? I just emailed this a**h**e his spam back at him with a message I'd bill him $2300 if he sent me something like this again, then I attached ~10K of nothing but the word SPAM (that *always* makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside) 'I am Ed McMahon of Borg: You may have already been assimilated!' - Anon. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 2:25 pm Subject: Re: TD: Too Prolific At 15:20 97·03·14 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: dbrewer@a... >This is along the lines of what happened to me today. I was sitting in I was at work (on break) perusing my copy of _Voices_In_The_Dunes_ that I pulled out of storage (I usually use Alan Michaels book) and a mundane asked me what the book was, to which I nonchalantly replied that it was a guide to the worldwide releases of TD's music. He already knew that I was a TD fan, and it was so satisfying to see his eyes bug at the *thickness* of the book. 'So how many of their albums do you have?' 'Not including the vinyl.....75CDs' he wordlessly walks away to let me continue reading. Don't you just *love* freaking people out like that? 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 2:24 pm Subject: D:_UnderH20_Sunlight_ For some strange reason, I feel compelled to dim the lights when I listen to this one, perhaps because some pieces were played during the '88 N America tour @ the Universal Ampitheatre (my first TD Concert, second time at UA (the first was when it was open-air and I saw Steve Martin and the *Blues*Brothers* open for him (FYI: the BB album _Briefcase_Full_Of_Blues_ was recorded at this concert!) and this album invokes strong memories (The fact that my fuel pump broke on my car back from the concert doesn't diminish the magic of that night.) The Froese/Franke/Haslinger lineup was superb and ranks with the F/F/Schmoelling lineup And The Survey Says!..... 5AS! 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 13, 1997 12:55 pm Subject: Re: network 388 Really-From: jeffrey@i... Hi To obtain a copy of Network 388 send a self stamped return reply envelope (4X32 cent stamps in the US / 5 international reply coupons or $3 US for postage to Europe/ $2 US to Canada) and a blank cassette or $2 which gets you either a Maxell XLII 90 or TDK SA 90 to: Jeff Bergman 215 E 95th ST Apt 11K New York, NY 10128 Thanks for your interest and I hope you enjoy the tape. Jeff Michael Fox wrote: > > Greetings! I would like to get a copy of this. How/what do I need to send you? > Thanks, > Mike ////// >Hi > I would like to have a copy of Network 388 please. What's your address > to send you a blank tape? See ya! :) Michael (: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 4:51 pm Subject: Re: Free Income Opportunity Info! Really-From: Jeff Kortsch tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Levente.Toth' > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > May I have your permission to email you some more information? > > I'd like to email you more information about a fantastic income opportunity > > which pays you a multi-level commission for referring people to high-quality > > nutritional and skincare products. > > Now this certainly made my day. Who the hell are these people? And how > many more of this s***t will be posted inthe future? > > Levente I have to agree on this one. Who asked them to spam here? I think we should forward all tadream posts to them - give them something to read so they don't have time to spam.... Jeff Spamming is aptly named - the meat product is also kinda odd and just as appealing...;) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 9:01 pm Subject: Re: Poland versions Really-From: Dennis Nigbur >On Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:45:28 -0600 tadream mailing list > wrote: >>Really-From: feldon@n... >> >>Someone said that it's out of print or extremely difficult to find. If >>anyone needs it, I know a music store where the Poland 2CD set has >been >>patiently waiting for someone to buy it for almost a year now... >> >>Morgan >>feldon@n... Er...there seems to be something that has gone wrong about my last reply. What I asked was whether that music store is actually anywhere near me (Canterbury, Kent, GB). If it's not, then I'm afraid I won't get hold of the full version in the near future. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 7:25 pm Subject: Re: Beaubourg Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) I've always been a big fan of Vangelis, but I've got to say that Beaubourg and Invisible Connections are almost unlistenable and unbearable!! Larry On Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:52:30 -0500 tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) writes: >Really-From: Gary Davis > > >><< >Vangelis-Beaubourg >> >> You gotta be kidding. This sound like he threw all the pots and pans >> from kitchen down a flight of stairs and recorded it. This was the >> second Vangelis album I bought. It was also the last. I sold it back >to >> the shop. >> >> Scott >> > >This is one of two truly 'out there' albums by Vangelis, the other >being >Invisible Connections on Deutsche Grammaphone, the classical label. >It is >really a shame that Scott has made such a judgement on Vangelis based >on so >uncharacteristic a work. I would strongly recommend you give Vangelis >another shot. He's really one of the best. Try some more recent >things >like Voices, Blade Runner or 1492. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1900 Re: Beaubourg PNaunton@a... Sun 3/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 10:06 pm Subject: a new lineup? Really-From: Gabe Yedid First off, what in blazes is a 'Codotronic'? Is it the first of the new generation of instruments that will include the E-ball? (Somehow I think not.) I was rather surprised to see that Jerome has apparently given up his axe for the tour, doing keyboards and 'puters full-time (it seems)! And his name did come first...so I have to wonder, too, whether he is (by design) taking over direction of the band little by little. This seems to confirm he *is* the new 'Franke' (in position if not capability), and will have the majority of compositional input--making him the new Edgar! It's also unclear from the announcement in just what capacity these 2 new guys are with the band: live guns? dedicated instrumentalists? Full-time TD members, WITH considerable compositional input? I was tempted to think this was a rather Kraftwerk-like lineup (but KW had no guitarists and 2 dedicated e-percussionists). This lineup might not even survive the tour! (Remember 1988) I also think the suppositon of a new style is premature. It'd be darn unusual for TD to launch a new style with a tour; usually the tour has supported the current style and album. Then again, this tour's music might have sort of the same relationship to the Goblin style that the 1992 tour did to _Rockoon_. Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1897 Re: a new lineup? Mark Filipak Sun 3/16/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 10:45 pm Subject: no more Linda? Really-From: Gabe Yedid I guess this new lineup means Linda is through with the band? I wonder if she and Edgar had a falling out? Ed: 'You know, I'm starting to think that 'Elf June' really DID sound like a bad Charles Aznavour song...' (Linda packs her bags and walks out in a huff) Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1903 Re: no more Linda? Christian von_Toerne Sun 3/16/1997 2 KB 1905 Re: no more Linda? Mark Filipak Sun 3/16/1997 3 KB 1915 Re: no more Linda? feldon@n... Sun 3/16/1997 4 KB 1944 Re: no more Linda? gary.cresswell1@v... Tue 3/18/1997 3 KB 1957 Re: no more Linda? Grant Middleton Wed 3/19/1997 3 KB 1958 Re: no more Linda? Craig R. J. Cordrey Wed 3/19/1997 3 KB 2002 Re: no more Linda? Simon W. Hood Fri 3/21/1997 2 KB 1988 Re: no more Linda? PNaunton@a... Thu 3/20/1997 2 KB 1996 Re: no more Linda? gary.cresswell1@v... Thu 3/20/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 7:44 pm Subject: 'Tyger' 12 inch Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Tyger Fans. In his discography Dave Datta has this entry: 1987 Tyger See the album Tyger for more information Tyger The Tyger 21st Century Common Man Parts I and II LP Jive 20781 (UK) The 3rd track is a no-brainer, but the tracks 1 & 2 are a mystery to me. Would anyone who has this please contact me off-list? Thanks -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 8:33 pm Subject: 'Streethawk' 12' Really-From: Mark Filipak Hi Streethawk Fans. Dave's discography has this entry: 1985 Streethawk Streethawk Tiergarten Gaudi Park Warsaw in the Suns Part 1 Warsaw in the Suns Part 2 12' Jive Electro T101 Would anyone who has this please give me a jingle? Thanks -- Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1912 Re: 'Streethawk' 12' Jim Moore Sun 3/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 15, 1997 6:08 pm Subject: House of the Rising Sun Really-From: Mark Filipak It's been pretty well established that track 12 of 'Sound and Effects' (bootleg of the 7 Sep 88 New York concert) is actually a live version of 'Assassin' with Mark Sheeve doing the playing. I have two related questions. 1- Was Mark on stage as part of the s