From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 12:54 pm Subject: Re: Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready) On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:20:31 GMT, Maxwell wrote: >Hey Dream boys and girls of course (if there are any), >So what's the average age of people subscribed to this list and where >are most of you from? Well, I know that this profile thing happened in the not-too-distant past ... but I also know that there's a lot of 'new' folks on the list these days... Anyway, in brief: I'm 26, live in Sacramento, CA, pay the bills by having more patience with computers & technology than most folks. Occasionally I think I'd like to get a nice synth and make music, but always realize that I don't have the time or dedication to be any good at it. -Steve sbm@p... Sacramento, CA Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 858 Re: Saa Sekuliĉ/Sasha Sekulich Thu 2/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 6:44 am Subject: Logos 88 Really-From: feldon@n... I have unbelievably limited MIDI resources and have a $100 keyboard than can handle 2 tracks of MIDI. With that aside, I am still in the process of trying to duplicate as much of Logos Blue Part 88 as possible. Anyone who is interested in the MIDI file, please let me know by private e-mail (feldon@n...). Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 7:45 am Subject: Froese and Dali Really-From: Jeroen Geerts ** High Priority ** Yesterday a Dutch Newspaper had a small article about our beloved ones. In the article Edgar stated that he 'moved in' a little while at Dali's place. Does anyone know about this. I wondered if Dali might have influenced Froese in his musical developement ? If anyone is interested in the article I can translate it. Ciao Jeroen Geerts Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 804 Re: Froese and Dali feldon@n... Wed 2/12/1997 2 KB 808 Re: Froese and Dali Plumer, Scott Wed 2/12/1997 2 KB 840 Re: Froese and Dali Phillip R. Naunton Thu 2/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 10:17 am Subject: Re: Froese and Dali Really-From: feldon@n... At 08:45 AM 2/12/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: Jeroen Geerts > >** High Priority ** You sure? >Yesterday a Dutch Newspaper had a small article >about our beloved ones. In the article Edgar stated >that he 'moved in' a little while at Dali's place. All accounts I've heard said that he spent about 6 months learning from Dali. >Does anyone know about this. >I wondered if Dali might have influenced Froese in his >musical developement ? There's no question in my mind that Dali had a LOT to do with TD's impressions. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 11:01 am Subject: Re: Bands in TD Tradition Revised Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >If you are interested in TD-related/influenced material please feel free to >check out some of our 'MIND-FLUX' stuff. >We try to combine our early mid 70's influences like TD, Schulze, Kraftwerk (to >name but a few) with hypnotic beat structures. >Maybe some of you like it. For more information have a look at >http://www.snafu.de/~borism/mindflux/index.html Indeed, as someone who owns the Mind~Flux album 'Trancefloor' (and I am not related to this band in any way) I can HIGHLY recommend their music to TD fans. I discovered this gem when it got some local airplay in 1995 and it has been one of my favourite albums of that year. Full of analog synths, loads of Franke-like sequencers and a very modern trance-like beat. This album is a very good example of how the ideas of early TD experiments can be brought forward into the nineties, without arriving at boring techno music. If you are familiar with SYNCO and/or Lambert, you already have an idea of the general sound used also by this band. Add a touch of 'Dream Mixes' - type of hypnotic beat and you get close to what Mind-Flux is doing. Definititely an album in the 'Berlin School' tradition of electronic music! BTW, I ordered my copy of 'Trancefloor' through www.cdeurope.com, so it is available as import in the US. To Thomas: Thanks for this wonderful album. It was a nice suprise to see your posting and that you are here on the tadream list. Good to see that you have more releases out now, and that you put some sound samples on the Web. I will make sure to check out your newer releases. Hilmar PS: Thomas, you should check your emailer: it is sending some large binary blurb after every one of your mails, which is annoying. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 11:38 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #832 Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:12:31 -0800 >Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons >Really-From: Mark Filipak >> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >- -snip- >> ... In other words, some folks are content to live in the past, and for them >> is classic rock radio, with its never-ending doses of ... that annoying >> Peter Frampton song whose title escapes me at the moment (wait! >> They're ALL annoying!). >Hey Scott. I still like 'Frampton Comes Alive'...-- Leasure Suit Mark... Oooh Baby I love your way Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 815 Re: tadream-digest V15 #832 Michael A Jean Wed 2/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 12:09 pm Subject: The Orb Really-From: John Wilson Well, I've only heard Toxygene once, and I thought it was The Orb getting on with what they do best... I don't really like Jarre's music anyway (it always seems overblown and adolescent to me). I _am_ looking forward to hearing ``Towards the evening star'' and The Orb's new album (``Orblivion') whenever they appear. On a related note, I have been listening to the Orb's live album from a few years back (``Orb Live/Bro Evil'') and I am convinced I can hear TD samples in there. I'd have to listen agaihn (carefully!) to tell you where they were, but I am pretty sure there was the harmonica from ``3am...'' on ``Little Fluffy Clouds'' and then a sequencer pattern from Rubycon or Stratosfear making an entrance in another track. Anyone else got this one? John W. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 1:16 pm Subject: RE: Froese and Dali Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Yesterday a Dutch Newspaper had a small article >about our beloved ones. In the article Edgar stated >that he 'moved in' a little while at Dali's place. I've also read that early incarnations of TD played at Dali's 'art happenings,' which were sort of like performance art without an audience. >Does anyone know about this. >I wondered if Dali might have influenced Froese in his >musical developement ? Most definitely. Dali abandoned the conventional tools of art, Froese & Co. abandoned the conventional tools of music. >If anyone is interested in the article I can translate it. Please do. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 2:11 pm Subject: Really-From: 'Eduardo Nava. 91(84) 16-80-20. Saltillo. Mexico.' unsubscribe tadream enava@m... unsubscribe tadream-digest enava@m... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 2:19 pm Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) >Really-From: Tony Marshall >At 02:02 10/02/97 -0600, you wrote: >>It picked up Tubular Bells (which seems to be a classic), >>Incantations, and Crisis. Tubular Bells is really good, >>but my favorite of the 3 has to be Incantations. It was >>originally released as a 2lp set with 4 songs. To compare it >>to a TD piece, I would have to say Force Majeure. It >>is not as raw or 'in-your-face' as FM, but there are electric >>guitars and some good drumming in there. The only vocals >>are some choral arrangements - which add a really nice touch. >Well, just to throw a spanner in the works, my favourite TD album is Force >Majeure, and just about my least favourite Oldfield one is Incantations! 4 >almost identical tracks = monotony, made worse by the fact that the >composition itself isn't too hot.. I agree that the studio version of Incantations drags on a bit but I really like the live version (shortened to 2 tracks/sides) on the album Exposed. In fact, if I were forced to choose between the two, I would only listen to the live version. And as long as we're talking about monotony, this is how I describe the first three tracks of Klaus Schulze's Audentity. Boring with a capital B. They probably could've been condensed down to one ~20 minute track. But then he gives us the fourth track, 'Sebastian Im Traum', which I find absolutely brilliant. What a strange contrast. >>Just wanted to see if anyone out there agrees with my >>assessment or has anything to add for those who are in >>search of other TD like bands/artists. If there are any >>fans of Oldfield's, I would be interested in finding out >>about some of his other CD's. He's got a pile of them out. >Everyone raves about Songs of Distant Earth, but it's not one of his >classics IMHO (very Enigma/Deep Forest, which probably explains its >popularity with newcomers to Oldfield). You must pick up Tubular Bells 2 - >VERY reminiscent of the original.. Hergest Ridge has the same feel as the >original TB, but is not quite as good (though the second half of the second >track is brilliant). For something rather weird, but good, try Amarok. >Fantastic recording quality - one to show off that hi-fi! My turn to 'throw a spanner in the works.' 8) I've been listening to Oldfield since shortly after Tubular Bells was released. I even had a quadrophonic 8-track copy of it at one time. (Sheesh, I guess I'm dating myself here!) You are correct that Songs of Distant Earth has a definite Enigma/Deep Forest feel to it but, having listened to both Enigma and Deep Forest albums, I get bored with them easily while I continue to enjoy SoDE. And for the record, I do enjoy Amarok and, if asked to categorize it, I would place it in the same general grouping as Schmoelling's White Out (another fave of mine.) I'm so glad Oldfield got out from under the thumb of Virgin records. The 'pop' stuff he put out during the latter period of his contract with Virgin was largely forgettable, IMHO. TBII was a breath of fresh air without simply being a rehash of the original. I have heard that he has a new album out now called Voyager, although it does not appear to be distributed here in the US. Do you have any info on it? Regards, Erik Sanborn esanborn@B... >Tony Marshall |#include Cheltenham, England |Mode.Gordon Giltrap.Ashra.Jarre.Pet Shop Boys.Oasis >tonym@z...|Kraftwerk.Pink Floyd.Penguin Cafe.Trance/Goa stuff > >----------------------|--------------------------------------------------- >My Mystery Tune Page http://www.personal.u-net.com/~zigzag Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 856 Re: Mike Oldfield Saa Sekuliĉ/Sasha Sekulich Thu 2/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 2:23 pm Subject: d:3OCH;TOTT;Tyger & TOB Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) ****warning, long post***** (but it's all TD!) Where has the d:list been since Tangram? I though we were all going to have some knock-down drag outs about TOTT and Tyger. C'mon guys and gals have at it! Here are my entries: d: 3 O'Clock High 1AS The main reason this cd gets such a crappy AS rating is that so little of the cd is by TD anyway (tracks 1-5 & 11-20) and the rest is certainly not like Risky Business where the other tracks are by top rank rock bands/individuals. It can't even by rated by the track. Of the 15 tracks by td (of 22 tracks total), tracks 1-4 are between :25 and :55 seconds each--little more than bridge music if not interesting bridge music; track 5 is a double looped segment from Love on a Real Train. Tracks 11-20 range between :40 and 2:10 --short even by the seattle years standard track length! (Of course TD isn't to blame for this but Varese Saraband, at least that is what I assume; but then again if it weren't for VS I wouldn't have this great [and that it is] bridge music to look forward too! Thank God I have a programmable cd player otherwise I never could have reviewed this album.) For what it's worth, I recently found a used vinyl copy of this release (I had never seen one previously). As for the movie itself, well, it is another B-grade flick about a standing up to the school bully that really isn't worth anymore space on this digest. If you haven't seen it, it's something to watch once. The Highlight of this release is the guitar(?) on track 12 'buying paper like it's going out of style' and track 16 'You'll never believe it' both of which--should they have been developed into real pieces for a TD release of this album would be considered true TD classics. And of course the LOART redux on tracks 5 & 15. ------------------------------------------------ D:TOTT 4AS This release has gotten some bad PR on the list in the past year. Yet I find that the more I listen to it the more I like it. At first I was rather disappointed--owing largely to the disappointing first track 'pictures at an exhibition' as I was never a fan of Mussorgsky; Impressionist music about impressionist paintings, yuk!!!!!!!!! I was also off put somewhat by liner text which says it was excerpted from 'The coachman's tales' 1993 by edgar froese. Has anyone read this book? Is it really this bad? Look, Edgar no offense intended, I'm sorry but your literary abilities come no where close to your musical talents; this is, well, pretty transparent stuff--but that is totally IMOHO. When one reads the liner text and listens to Pictures at an exhibition, with the horse and carriage noises, etc. one gets the idea that this is to be a 'concept' album or a soundtrack to this book. Well, thankfully, that idea seems to have been nixed after track one. Track two is where the real TOTT begins (as a rule I skip track one completely). by the track: P@A... 1as nothing more to say! except please don't do it again! Firetongues, aka 'a tribute to segovia' 5as this is some really excellent guitar work by Zlatko why-aren't-you-still- in-TD-or-were-your-guitar-skills-too-much-competition-for-edgar-and-jerome Perica. This is in fact a classic track from the 'new TD' and one of my favs. OK before you all burn me for liking this stuff, let me just say tooooo bad! I love it! I also love the virgin years too! In fact I like just about all of TD. this is definitely the best track on the album and one of the best from the seattle years! Galley Slave's Horizon 3as with its relentless beat invoking the roman galley master's rhythmic pounding, mixed with zlatko's great guitar this is another really good piece. Unfortunately this drops off after the first 2 minutes and doesn't pick up until after the 5 minute mark and albeit significanly mutated; still, ZP's guitar saves the day. With all this talk about edgar and other guitarists, some of you true guitar connoisseurs will probably upbraid me about my appreciation of ZP but I have to say that I judge 'good' guitar by its emotive effects; that is, how it engages me. If it succeeds in engaging me then I say it's good guitar; if not, it gets the 'pollice verso' (thumbs down). I absolutely agree with Edgar that the guitar is a most emotive instrument. Death of a Nightingale 3as this is a slow, dreamy piece with linda spa sax. it isn't too bad but doesn't do a whole lot for me. it sounds a little rockoon-220VL-ish. Twilight Brigade 3as Again, it starts a little rockoon-220VL-ish. I can see why some of you melrose/seattle-years detractors don't like this cd. still I think there is some good guitar work here. I see this as the companion piece to DOAN except that ZP gets to carry the piece with his albeit sparing guitar whereas in DOAN Linda's sax 'carried' the piece. With 9:45 I expect a lot but things don't begin to happen until about 5:50 into the track--this is when it gets good; sadly, however, it is not enough to really save this piece from 'mediocrity with sequins' In the end I have real mixed feelings, some of this track is definitely 4as but much of it is just 3as. Jungle journey 3as a decent track but definitely saved by the guitars! this time it is EF and JF in the lead and zp on rhythm. still not enough development for me and a little too repeititititious Midwinter night 3as She's back! I must say that I do think Linda does a good job on the sax but it all starts to sound the same after a while.... still, all in all, not a bad track. I guess this is the requisite 'love song' of the melrose & seattle years (some of you will, of course, say 'the requisite Kenny g tune tott 4as the title track; the 3rd longest on the cd so I should be able to expect something more, right? well, only partly so. it starts ok, we get ZP's guitar and the promise of a great track but then around 5:00, we shift in sax gear. At least it is only a segue to the vocal part which I really do like and which is a great 'closer' for this album. cd-5 bonus track: story of the brave 3as I have mixed feelings about this. I know some of you really love it but it doesn't seem to grab me in the way that the other tracks do. ------------------------------------------------ D: Tyger 4AS This cd really got me re-interested in history, literature and art. When I put it on, I was totally floored. I didn't know what to think, I mean, the cover said this was TD! But then I realized it wasn't so bad, in fact, it was kind of good. I started to listen to the lyrics figuring I could understand something about Edgar & co. by understanding what they selected and how they presented it. I got some books on William Blake and read up on him. I really liked some of his stuff (although some was really out there). I discovered he was a self-styled mystic and 'prophet' (of course what the history books don't say is that he is but a late one in a very long tradition of christian mystics). He is really quite an interesting person and worth reading about; this sheds much more light on the imagery and symbolism in his work, like what he means by 'the lion and the wolf shall cease'. If you haven't read anymore of his work beside what is on the tyger liner notes, go to your local library and get some! Eventually, I'd have to say that this release may have one of a number of things that sent me along my current direction in life (seeking a ph.d in art history). when reviewing tyger, it is somewhat hard to separate the music from the words. That is, the music is, on one hand, really only background for the Jocelyn Smith's reading of the poetry. In that way, the music is to a large degree unremarkable (what I mean, is take away the lyrics and just listen to the music). On the other hand, there are those purely instrumental sections (the last half of london and all of AOTH) which are, I believe, impressions of blake's poetry and so very much in that vein. the lyrics really take center stage when they appear. But since we are ranking TD here and not WB that is confusing the matter. My rating is based on the cohesiveness of the final product: TD's choice of lyrics, the music supporting them, the instrumental sections and Jocelyn's recitation/reading/performance/singing of them. A question, is this the album where the harpsichord sample makes its first appearance in td? or at least first significant appearance? reviewing this album alongside TOTT and TOB was a real trip, you can really here the difference in sound quality, development etc..... as much as I like this album, I must admit that it is one that does not receive a lot of airplay on my stereo. perhaps I should rethink that decision. tyger 4as I love this track although, I think more for the lyrics than the music. london 4as this is a really great track, in both lyrics and the end instrumental section. the lyrics of this track are cut together, if memory serves me correctly, from at least 4 different poems and heavily edited to boot. I love the liminal or frame-breaking reference to the external reader: 'children of a future age / reading this indignant page / know that, in a former time, / love sweet love was thought a crime' it just reaches out of the text/cd and grabs the listener. after this is the extended bridge and then the cut from 'america.' 'The Fly' is my all-time favorite blake poem and makes a great quote for all of us: 'Am not I / A fly like thee? / Or art not thou / A man like me?' the closing music section contains some good guitar work and is quite good as a piece by itself. alchemy of the heart 3as the only really pure music track on the album (not counting the cd bonus tracks). my feelings are mixed about it. clearly it is an impression of blake and so ranges, like london, over quite a bit of material but does so not always coherently. Paul's piano makes a fine ending smile 4as another great mix of blake and td; this is real ambivalent poem but I don't think TD's music captures that aspect/sense of the words (although the music is quite good); for example, look at the first stanza: a smile of love and deceit and a smile where these two smiles meet--one must be male and one female (given the misogynist tone of the literature and culture of this period, I would guess that deceit refers to the female) and when they meet (a kiss, love, embrace), one comes in love and the other in deceit. finally my question to you all is this: to which smile is blake referring in the last 6 lines? birth?, death? or ??? anyone care to speculate? bonus tracks: 21st century common man part 1 3as not much to say, it really doesn't (IMOHO) go with the tone and feel of the album; but, taken by itself, really is a good track. I'm not sure whether the division of this track into 2 parts was accidental or whether it was intended to be one track (as DRC would suggest). Part 2 sounds distinctly different from part I as if it really were intended to be a separate track (and the guitar work here is really appreciated) did jerome have something to do with these tracks? or am I think of the canyon dreams bonus? vigour 3as Like 21st century common man, this track really doesn't seem to have anything to do with the concept of 'tyger' and/or william blake. it really stands alone as a separate piece. It is not bad but nothing spectacular. Still I'm glad they released these tracks rather than locking them up in some lawyer's vault in london. (since I don't have the original of this, I used that on DRC where one can really hear an amazing difference in engineering/production qualities) These bonus tracks sound so different I want to think they are from some 'lost' / never executed td album that was in the works soon after Tyger's conclusion (soon enough to appear on the cds) ------------------------------------------------ D: TOB 3AS Well, this is the release that sees the replacement of ZP with Gerald Gradwool and Mark Hornby. Why have just one guitarist when two can do the same thing with less competition for top booking? Would someone please give us the inside story on ZP's departure? there has been a lot of speculation on this list but what do we really know? is it 'artistic differences' (eg: a cat fight) or something else? Parts of this album seem like they have such great potential and other parts really sound great but why then does it seem so unremarkable to me after it has stopped playing? Some TD tracks and albums just live on forever in my mind--even after the 'real' music has stopped: but not so with TOB. In many ways for me it is 'that cd with stratosfear 95 on it' Like I mentioned before, this is the 'mountain peaks above the clouds' phenomenon: great bits shining through some mediocrity Catwalk 3as at 7:21 this should be more developed but alas. it is not. The best part starts with the tension change at 3:30 and with the entry of GG's acoustic guitar. This is when this track gets good. I must say that I do like GG and MH but I wish they had more 'presence' it seems like they are in someway subordinate to master jerome. This track comes close to having the potential to be a 4as but never comes close to being a 4as (does that make sense?) BWD 3as This starts out with promise and is one of the better tracks on the album; at 3:50 it starts to remind me of firetongues but can't really come close to it. Still, I love the guitar. eventually it settles in to a repeititititititious pattern and I get bored. LBITPOA 3as The title is a little off-putting; I don't know why but it just is. The sax is well the sax until the guitars come in after 2:00 and again after 4:00 (OK, I confess, I'm a guitar man but I also think the sax is great, I just don't think it is being used to its full potential here) LIAFP 2as reminds me of a tott recycle; some sax work and some decent guitar work; not much to say except that it is umm, uh, well, it is Stratosfear 95 5as undoubtedly the best track on the cd! And, in my mind, even better than the original (silence you hecklers!). Jerome, please redo cloudburst flight and Quichotte part 2! I love this track and it is definitely one of if not the best seattle years' track! BICT 3as not much to say, some good guitar but not enough HOF 2as nothing special imoho TOB 3as this starts as another ho-hum filler piece but then at 3:00 this great guitar shoots through the haze and rips open the clouds. suddenly I'm awake, wow where did this come from? please don't stop! 4:30 damn! you stopped largo 2as a cover of handel; damn; after P@A... on TOTT, I hoped I would never see another 'classical' tune redo but here it is. damn. oh well. at least here if fills in that requisite 'love song' closer; still it just doesn't tweek those tear glands the way ghazal and dreamtime do ... cd-5 bonus track: quasar 4as. this is, in my mind, a gem of a little track and it is too bad this promo single cd is so hard to find. Quasar is, in my mind one of the top tracks on the album. that's it, sorry for the long post! lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 814 Re: d:3OCH;TOTT;Tyger & TOB Brian_Kirby@p... Wed 2/12/1997 3 KB 820 Re: d:3OCH;TOTT;Tyger & TOB feldon@n... Wed 2/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 2:28 pm Subject: Re: Edgar's birthplace Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >This thread surfaced a couple weeks ago, but I finally got some >clarification on it. Ed was born in a town called Tilsit, East Prussia. >When the Soviet Union defeated the Germans in east Europe in WWII, they >took over a wedge-shaped hunk of land on the southern border of >Lithuania, between Poland and Lithuania, and called it part of Russia. >It's still technically a part of Russia, and ethnic Russians are the >dominant group there, but it's part of an ongoing dispute between >Lithuania and Russia. The current name of Tilsit is Sovetsk, or at least >it was in 1993. This information comes courtesy of one of my student >assistants, who is a Lithuanian national. Not wanting to beat a dead horse but... Is (or was) this wedge-shaped hunk of land referred to as Staliningrad Oblast (not Stalingrad)? I seem to recall seeing that name on an old map and wondering why this chunk of what appeared to be Russia was not attached to the rest of the country. Just curious. Erik Sanborn esanborn@B... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 4:06 pm Subject: RE: pushing the hot buttons Really-From: dalane@b... (Dave Lane) 'Plumer, Scott' wrote: > >I must offer a dissenting opinion. In the time I have been on the list, > >I can't help but think that TD has one of the most remarkably fickle fan > >bases anywhere, BECAUSE they keep experimenting. > > Well, we've covered this before, but I sincerely believe that the people > who moan for the old days are the same folks who still wear leisure > suits and disco pants. If wanting TD to be a band that didn't simply play back midi files while a hired Eddie Van Halen clone makes arena-rock squealy guitar noises, then count me in as one of those people who 'moan for the old days', but I have never worn a leisure suit or disco pants and I don't think that anyone else who listened to TD back then did either. Last time I checked the 70's part of the TD discography, there was nothing remotely resembling disco in it. As for the 90's, I can't say for certain, because after the very disappointing Lily On The Beach, I gave up buying TD albums unheard, and have since only picked up 200 Volt, Tangents and Book Of Dreams. > In other words, some folks are content to live in > the past, and for them is classic rock radio, with its never-ending > doses of Stairway to Heaven, Freebird and that annoying Peter Frampton > song whose title escapes me at the moment (wait! They're ALL annoying!). Baloney. I'd bet that 99% of the people who listen to '70-'88 TD don't like any of the above crap. I know I don't. I'm also not content to swallow trite instrumental pop just because it has the TD brand name on it. There's too much other good stuff out there. --Dave Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 857 Re: pushing the hot buttons Saa Sekuliĉ/Sasha Sekulich Thu 2/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 5:12 pm Subject: Re: d:3OCH;TOTT;Tyger & TOB Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) >D:TOTT 4AS >P@A... 1as >Firetongues, aka 'a tribute to segovia' 5as >Galley Slave's Horizon 3as >Death of a Nightingale 3as >Twilight Brigade 3as >Jungle journey 3as >Midwinter night 3as >tott 4as >story of the brave 3as Lars, I'm afraid you've got some explaining to do. According to your final ranking, Turn of the Tides gets a full 4AS. However, upon averaging your individual song scores, I returned a result of 3.11111111, which barely makes the 3+ register. So I'm a tad confused. Was it something about the packaging that gave it that extra bump (although you did mention that you weren't particularly fond of Edgar's 'book' excerpt)? Perhaps a picture of Linda clouded your rational thought processes? Maybe those sax songs touched you more than you'd care to admit? Or were you simply grading on a curve? With tongue in cheek, B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 5:15 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #832 Really-From: Michael A Jean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 6:06 pm Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: dalane@b... (Dave Lane) > > If wanting TD to be a band that didn't simply play back midi > files while a hired Eddie Van Halen clone makes arena-rock > squealy guitar noises, then count me in as one of those people > who 'moan for the old days', but I have never worn a leisure suit > or disco pants and I don't think that anyone else who listened to > TD back then did either. Last time I checked the 70's part of the TD > discography, there was nothing remotely resembling disco in it. As > for the 90's, I can't say for certain, because after the very > disappointing Lily On The Beach, I gave up buying TD albums unheard, > and have since only picked up 200 Volt, Tangents and Book Of Dreams. Dave, my man, I totally agree with you. I stopped buying new TD after Optical Race. Did buy 220 Volt/Three Phase, but other than that, I dislike new TD. Someone mentioned that he likes Stratosfear '95 better then the original, man what is he thinking of. > > In other words, some folks are content to live in > > the past, and for them is classic rock radio, with its never-ending > > doses of Stairway to Heaven, Freebird and that annoying Peter Frampton > > song whose title escapes me at the moment (wait! They're ALL annoying!). > > Baloney. I'd bet that 99% of the people who listen to '70-'88 TD don't > like any of the above crap. I know I don't. I'm also not content > to swallow trite instrumental pop just because it has the TD brand > name on it. There's too much other good stuff out there. Pure nonsense about Classic rock radio, I don't possess any of that music. As mentioned before in the list, try something from the up 'n' coming bands (mindflux, FSOL, Waveshape, FSP (i have to promote myself)). You'll find some gems there! Marcel Engels fsp@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 819 Re: pushing the hot buttons again feldon@n... Wed 2/12/1997 2 KB 828 Re: pushing the hot buttons again Gabe Yedid Thu 2/13/1997 4 KB 839 Re: pushing the hot buttons again Phillip R. Naunton Thu 2/13/1997 3 KB 841 Re: pushing the hot buttons again Craig R. J. Cordrey Thu 2/13/1997 5 KB 842 Re: pushing the hot buttons again Marcel Engels Thu 2/13/1997 2 KB 844 Re: pushing the hot buttons again Gabe Yedid Thu 2/13/1997 3 KB 850 Re: pushing the hot buttons again TWeibre361@a... Thu 2/13/1997 2 KB 852 Re: pushing the hot buttons again feldon@n... Thu 2/13/1997 2 KB 926 Re: pushing the hot buttons again PNaunton@a... Sun 2/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 6:17 pm Subject: Re: Pete Isaacson, 32. Born Southfield, Michigan (Kervorkian Country) Parental Units had sense enough to locate to Left Coast ~23 mi SE of LA in Hacienda Heights. I work Graveyard shift making Gallium Arsenide Solar Cells while studying Art at a local college and preparing a entry Portfolio for Art Center, Pasadena so I can hack Product Design. I got bitten by the TD bug in Spring/Summer of '81 Green Desert:TD's great 'lost' album. A haiku. Wow. Oh Wow. GD. Edgar guitar, Chris drum. Just turn down the lights. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 6:28 pm Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield Really-From: Dave Manning <106546.1474@c...> Voyager is Mikes attempt at Celtic rock ... sort of Clannad ... its nice and clever but really doesn't strike me as another great.... Songs from... is great, it can be played quietly while I'm working and is gentle, comforting and a good theme thoughout then play it loud the tracks really stand out ... lots of emotion ... its one of my favs others The lamb _ Genesis Secret World Live - P Gabriel Strange Angels - L Anderson Suzanne Vega - 1st album TB II Voice Vangelis Nude - Camel The Wall From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 8:11 pm Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: feldon@n... >Dave, my man, I totally agree with you. I stopped buying new TD after >Optical >Race. Did buy 220 Volt/Three Phase, but other than that, I dislike new TD. >Someone mentioned that he likes Stratosfear '95 better then the original, >man what is he thinking of. Me neither... >Marcel Engels >fsp@p... > Morgan feldon@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 8:11 pm Subject: Re: d:3OCH;TOTT;Tyger & TOB Really-From: feldon@n... At 09:23 AM 2/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) > > >****warning, long post***** >(but it's all TD!) > >Where has the d:list been since Tangram? I though we were all going to have >some knock-down drag outs about TOTT and Tyger. C'mon guys and gals have at it! > >Here are my entries: (snip!) >D: Tyger 4AS > >This cd really got me re-interested in history, literature and art. When I >put it on, I was totally floored. I didn't know what to think, I mean, the >cover said this was TD! But then I realized it wasn't so bad, in fact, it >tyger 4as >I love this track although, I think more for the lyrics than the music. I am surprised that you didn't mention Tyger (jungle mystery song) from Dream Roots Collection. After listening to it, I realized that Tyger 87 just doesn't marry Jocelyn to the music, but the new Jungle Mystery version is great. I have dropped Tyger from 4as to 3as and put the alt. Tyger at 5as. My only complaint about it is they really over-do the chorus effect at the end with somewhere in the order of 4 or 5 overdubs of Jocelyn on top of eachother... >Tyranny of Beauty: >cd-5 bonus track: >quasar 4as. >this is, in my mind, a gem of a little track and it is too bad this promo >single cd is so hard to find. Quasar is, in my mind one of the top tracks >on the album. Where on earth can you get this? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 8:11 pm Subject: RE: pushing the hot buttons Really-From: feldon@n... At 11:06 AM 2/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: dalane@b... (Dave Lane) > > >'Plumer, Scott' wrote: > >> >I must offer a dissenting opinion. In the time I have been on the list, >> >I can't help but think that TD has one of the most remarkably fickle fan >> >bases anywhere, BECAUSE they keep experimenting. >> >> Well, we've covered this before, but I sincerely believe that the people >> who moan for the old days are the same folks who still wear leisure >> suits and disco pants. Frankly... (ego/superego kicks and shuts my sarcasm up---after all, I was 6 years old when Logos came out) >If wanting TD to be a band that didn't simply play back midi >files while a hired Eddie Van Halen clone makes arena-rock >squealy guitar noises, then count me in as one of those people >who 'moan for the old days', (a red Applause light is flashing on my screen...) >but I have never worn a leisure suit >or disco pants and I don't think that anyone else who listened to >TD back then did either. Last time I checked the 70's part of the TD >discography, there was nothing remotely resembling disco in it. As >for the 90's, I can't say for certain, because after the very >disappointing Lily On The Beach, Disappointing is a mild word to describe it. >I gave up buying TD albums unheard, >and have since only picked up 200 Volt, Tangents and Book Of Dreams. In my very humble opinion, the melrose years were a total disappointment. I have heard better MOD and MIDI files. I do appreciate 220 Volt, TOTT, Tangents (more than some people do!) and Book of Dreams (for making Electronic Meditation listenable among other things...) And yes, I agree with you that there's a big difference between dragging a Moog on stage and making it up as you go along as opposed to pressing play on the computer and if Edgar is in the mood, he plays on top of it. One of the things about Logos, Stratosphear, Encore, and Force Majeure (my four favorite CDs) is that there was that element that, hey, the audience will know if were not being serious and if we want to deviate from what we're playing on an inspiration, they can. Yeah, it leads to occasional playback mess-ups (most noticably around 43 1/2 min on Logos when the low vocal sound loop keeps playing for too long), but so what... I have listened to some of the songs mentioned, Beatles Freebird, etc. and I only say that listening to them only makes me want more late 70's early 80's (except White Eagle!) TD... (BTW> My entire collection of CDs is 35 TD CDs and the X-Files theme CD...) Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 3:56 am Subject: Still more smut... Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, >As far as I can remember, the Ginger Lynn tape was called 'Ginger's >Greatest' or something like that, but the other one is beyond recall. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wow! Isn't this a Klaus Schultze disc? Aw naw! Please tell me Klaus isn't making blue movies! That's a horrible thought! >It's been years since I saw them and somehow the TD tracks are the >only thing I can remember from the movies :) As for countries and >dates, I'd guess they were made in the US sometime in mid-80s; after >all, 'Risky Business' was released in 1983. I don't have this album - too much none TD and most of those tracks featured turn up on Tangram anyway - but isn't one of the titles something like 'Get off the babysitter...'. Now that's a cool title. I remember going to a Moog synthesiser demo years ago where the demonstrator played a composition entitled 'Richard, don't lock me out' or 'Don't shut the door on me dick...'. Funny the sort of things that stick in your head isn't it? Anyway, Ginger Lynn is still going strong too : churning out more dodgy material than Edgar Froese these days. Cheers David P.S. Here's some profile information : 35 next month, software development engineer with Caterpillar, electronic musician for fifteen years. Into TD for fourteen years. Still trying to be a groovy dude despite expanding waistline and receding hairline. Is it possible? np: 'Enigma' 'Le Roi est Mort...Vive Le Roi!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 3:56 am Subject: Wannabees Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, (again) >I agree with this as well guys. I have all 4 john dyson disk, quiet >point, glen lyod jones, air sculpture, and quiet point? Isn't paul ward >in quiet point, because I think I remember something about that. Or >maybe he is quiet point. It's all happening electronic music for sure. Paul Ward and Niel Thompson were 'Quiet Point' although they split some years ago. Paul has released two solo albums, 'For a Knave' and 'The Fear of Make Believe' which are on the Surreal-to-Real label. Check out http://www.netlink.co.uk/~surreal for sound bytes and more information. Niel did re-appear on 'Fear' with a writing credit for 'silly kind of secret'. Paul's music is very much Prog Rock in the Camel/Steve Hacket vein. Paul is a nice bloke who also works as a journalist. Scott, did you manage to get a copy of our disc? Cheers David From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TYGER with Vigour & TYRANNY of B with Quasar Really-From: Steven Feldman How do, all, Does anyone here have any leads on where I could procure copies of the TYGER Relativity CD (the one with 'Vigour' on it) and the TYRANNY OF BEAUTY [UK] AMP CD (the one with 'Quasar' on it)? Used from someone on this list or new from some mail-order or website would both be okay, as long as the CD(s) is/are in VG+ cond. or better. Also, lemme sneak in a non-TD request for a CD called FROM HERE TO ETERNITY . . . AND BACK AGAIN by Giorgio Moroder. Any of these around? Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ OUT TO PROVE THAT 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK WAS RELEASED TEMPORARILY IN 1984. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Feb 12, 1997 10:34 pm Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again -Reply Really-From: florin epure >Dave, my man, I totally agree with you. I stopped buying new TD after >Optical >Race. Did buy 220 Volt/Three Phase, but other than that, I dislike new TD. >Someone mentioned that he likes Stratosfear '95 better then the original, >man what is he thinking of. Sorry, I have to add myself to the list of people who don't like Stratosphear'95 - the rhytm is accelerated from the original version and Jerome's drums destroys all the original Stratosphear'76 feeling. It's a bad piece. Florin. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 6:55 am Subject: Re: Bands In the Tangerine Dream Tradition Really-From: Jeff Kortsch > I like them also. For anyone in the U.S., you can order through Windspell > 1-800-597-WIND. Try to find their first, Sigma, it's also very good. I was a > little disappointed in their latest, Wellenformen. But it seems I read that > the material was actually recorded prior to Sigma (making it their first) but > I might be wrong about that. Wellenformen I believe is Waveshape's first CD. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 6:04 am Subject: D: Turn Of The Tides Really-From: Boneheads1@a... I read the story and I want to dream. I want to take a journey. The contradictions and absurdities enable the letting go like African and American Indian stories I have read. I am swallowed by the thunderstorm, entranced by the orchestra and carried away by the carriage horses. By the time the energy picks up I am already seeing visions, dancing the native dance. The overture inflames my chariot, launching me into the album. Galley Slave's Horizon belongs on the wall of a museum. It is a movie. The propelling energy of Firetongues is replaced with the swelling of ocean waves, the sky, the bubbling phosphors swirling around each oar, overlaid with a pathetic scene of human struggle and agony, the weariness of the slaves, the resignation of toil, the sunset, the night, the dawn. After all this we witness the sacrifice of the beautiful key to our dreams performed without malice, just respect. Next comes the inquisition, the separation of soul and animal. This is deeply introspective and full of determination. The defense is outnumbered and outflanked. The process infuses and lightens. As the savage journey begins we launch into darkness with relentless focus. The resistance and the impetus grow. I attack frantic scenery and leave a swirling wake. I rest, overlooking a meadow on a dark, clear night. Somehow everything knows that this is a magical time of peace and renewal. The past and future have been released. I have arrived in a busy place, a civilized place, yet these images seem to reveal only part of the reality. There is an air of celebration. With a swirl of self-inversion these images slip away. The ancients call. Tim From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 5:41 am Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > Race. Did buy 220 Volt/Three Phase, but other than that, I dislike new TD. > Someone mentioned that he likes Stratosfear '95 better then the original, > man what is he thinking of. I think every version of 'Stratosfear' that they did after the original is superior to it. True, I wish that Strato '95 had been longer and contained more of the original's structure, but the original 'Stratosfear'? Pfah, one of the most blandly repetitive, uninspired pieces in the entire TD canon. Whatever Lars was thinking of, well, I guess I was thinking something similar. And I don't mind saying that you came off as being pretty snobbish there, Marcel. > > Baloney. I'd bet that 99% of the people who listen to '70-'88 TD don't > > like any of the above crap. I know I don't. I'm also not content > > to swallow trite instrumental pop just because it has the TD brand > > name on it. There's too much other good stuff out there. > > Pure nonsense about Classic rock radio, I don't possess any of that music. Neither do I. That doesn't stop me from liking whatever TD I like, be it _Rubycon_ or _Melrose_. If *I* think it has something musically redeeming about it, then I will have no trouble saying 'I LIKE IT' no matter where or when it's from. And even trite instrumental pop runs a certain gamut. (I know this because I play a lot of it on a regular basis.) > As mentioned before in the list, try something from the up 'n' coming > bands (mindflux, FSOL, Waveshape, FSP (i have to promote myself)). > You'll find some gems there! This may be true...but it doesn't mean some of us can't also like recent TD. As always, there's just no accounting for taste, is there? > Marcel Engels Gabe ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Yedid email: gabe@c... Dept. of Biology, McGill University bleo@m... Montreal, Quebec, Canada gyedid@p... 'Understanding is a three-edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth.' --Capt. John J. Sheridan, 'Babylon 5' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 9:49 am Subject: TD tour Europe: more tour dates announced! Really-From: Matheu Swartjes Latest information on the Europe tour (info from http://www.netstore.de/tadream). Seems they like a tight schedule! Wed, 04/09/97 Vienna TBA Thu, 04/10/97 Leipzig/Dresden TBA Fri, 04/11/97 Bonn Beethovenhalle Sat, 04/12/97 München Circus Krone Sun, 04/13/97 Nürnberg/Erlangen Stadthalle Erlangen Tue, 04/15/97 Hamburg Musikhalle Wed, 04/16/97 Berlin Hochschule der Kuenste (HdK) Thu, 04/17/97 Hannover Music Hall Fri, 04/18/97 Neu-Isenburg Hugenottenhalle Sat, 04/19/97 Brussels TBA Sun, 04/20/97 Amsterdam TBA Tue, 04/22/97 Budapest TBA Wed, 04/23/97 Zabrze (Poland) TBA Thu, 04/24/97 Prague TBA Fri, 04/25/97 Linz TBA Sat, 04/26/97 Ljubljana (Slovenia) TBA Mon, 04/28/97 Italy TBA Tue, 04/29/97 Italy TBA Wed, 04/30/97 Italy TBA Thu, 05/01/97 Zürich TBA Fri, 05/02/97 Geneva/Genf TBA Sat, 05/03/97 Lyon TBA Mon, 05/05/97 Paris TBA Tue, 05/06/97 Bordeaux TBA Wed, 05/07/97 San Sebastian(Spain) TBA Thu, 05/08/97 Madrid TBA Sat, 05/31/97 Athen TBA Sun, 06/01/97 Thessaloniki TBA TBA = to be announced The tour will be continued!!! So watch out for updates or changes often, cause all dates (except for Germany) are tentative. The list was last updated on Wed, 02/12/97 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 1:09 pm Subject: Really-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Westermark?= unsubscribe tadream paal@i... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 1:14 pm Subject: Re: tott & S95 (quasar in particlar) Really-From: sto@i... (Dr. Alan Stocker) >------------------------------------------------------- >>Really-From: feldon@n... >>>Tyranny of Beauty: >>>cd-5 bonus track: >>>quasar 4as. >[...] >>Where on earth can you get this? > > I do think it is available on the UK >version of the TOB full-length cd, am I right about this anyone?? > >Lars Quasar is indeed available on the UK version of ToB... Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: The Tadream People... Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... I have a request for one of those translations of introductions by MCs. I have a tape from, I think, 1981, which has a long introduction in German to a live version of Kiev Mission. With my half-baked German I understand most of it, viz: '...der ersten, grossten ???, Tangerine Dream, und wichtig ist vielleicht fuer die Leute, die nicht so in unserem Electronik Reich bewandert sind zu wissen, dass die Tangerine Dream Leute ihre Keyboards, ihre Tastatueren als ???, als ??? benutzen, und da eine unglaubiche ??? entwickelt haben.' So German speakers: do tell. What are Tangerine Dream the first, biggest example of, what do 'the Tangerine Dream people' use their keyboards as, and what is the unbelieveable thing they've developed as a result? And how the $!*$ would you render this into English? Something along the lines of 'Those people who are not knowledgable about electronic music should note that...', I expect. Glynn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 1:23 pm Subject: Re: tott & S95 Really-From: feldon@n... >Still I think overall TOTT is a 4as (albeit a low 4as). BTW I do love >the artwork! > >lars (who sticks with the 4as for TOTT) I have a question... and maybe I am rattling the dog's chain, but isn't a 5 point scoring system almost useless for a musical group so wide in spectrum as TD? I'd rather use percentages or even grades with plus and minus (Peter Baumann Repeat gets an F- for example...) Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:35 pm Subject: Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Really-From: G.K.Naughton@i... > > >I have a request for one of those translations of introductions by >MCs. I have a tape from, I think, 1981, which has a long >introduction in German to a live version of Kiev Mission. With my >half-baked German I understand most of it, viz: '...der ersten, >grossten ???, Tangerine Dream, und wichtig ist vielleicht fuer die >Leute, die nicht so in unserem Electronik Reich bewandert sind zu >wissen, dass die Tangerine Dream Leute ihre Keyboards, ihre >Tastatueren als ???, als ??? benutzen, und da eine unglaubiche ??? >entwickelt haben.' > >So German speakers: do tell. What are Tangerine Dream the first, >biggest example of, what do 'the Tangerine Dream people' use their >keyboards as, and what is the unbelieveable thing they've developed >as a result? And how the $!*$ would you render this into English? >Something along the lines of 'Those people who are not knowledgable >about electronic music should note that...', I expect. > >Glynn > Hi, the guy who gave this introduction back in 1981 was Eberhard Schoener, a (E-) musician himself (later he changed to do some very cheesy TV soundtracks). He organized one or two concerts in Munich Circus Crone as 'Rock and Classic'. Though I've seen it only once and, a few months later, a complition on TV (did not had a VCR at those times), and I had a tape audio copy (don't have it anymore, damnit!), I rememember vaguely some of the missing text from the above: ''...Tangerine Dream, und wichtig ist vielleicht fuer die Leute, die nicht so in unserem Electronik Reich bewandert sind zu wissen, dass die Tangerine Dream Leute ihre Keyboards, ihre Tastatueren als COMPUTERZENTRALEN or KOMMANDOZENTRALEN FUER IHRE SYNTHESIZER benutzen, und da eine unglaubiche FERTIGKEIT entwickelt haben.'' Translated something like ''...TD, and maybe important to know for those people who are not very familiar with our electronics world is that TD use their keyboards as command centers or computerconsoles to control their synthesizers, and they developed an incredible skill in doing that.'' (poor english...) I remember on that concert a (don't know which) orchestra playing Honegger, a Violinist playing something I can't remember, The Sparks, Robert Miles (??, 'Music was my first love'), some female black singer (Joan Armatrading?), and TD playing Kiev Mission (finally you saw who was speaking the text) and Mojave Plan with orchestra. There was a session in the end of all bands/orchestra, Edgar and Chris playing for hand on a PPG keyboard. Thats all what my memory can tell. Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:41 pm Subject: Really-From: Armin Theissen > >I have a question... and maybe I am rattling the dog's chain, but isn't a 5 >point scoring system almost useless for a musical group so wide in spectrum >as TD? I'd rather use percentages or even grades with plus and minus (Peter >Baumann Repeat gets an F- for example...) > >Morgan > > sorry for that, I 'invented' this 5 point system. What I had in mind with 5 points instead of 10 is that I actually did not wanted to give numbers, but some adjectives 5 : excellent 4 : almost perfect 3 : acceptable 2 : not so good, but o.k. 1 : lousy I made a survey, and to evaluate the survey with a computer, I had to give numbers again. So these numbers should get a *meaning*, and on a 10 scale the difference of one point would have been washed out again. go and see on http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen/tarank.html armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 1:43 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #830 Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-02-11 21:57:29 EST, you write: << You must pick up Tubular Bells 2 - VERY reminiscent of the original.. >> while you're at it, pick up a copy of the 'tubular bells reconstructed' ep, with re-mixes by the orb and others...very interesting and dramatic reconstitutions.... on a separate note, anyone looking for the 'rumpelstilchen (sp?)' video can find it at alcazar music 800-541-9904...happy viewing, tom w np: patrolling space borders From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 3:59 pm Subject: If you like synthesizer and space music : read this ! Really-From: 'Snelders, Eric' VERY IMPORTANT NEWS for PEOPLE THAT LIKE SYNTHESIZER AND SPACE MUSIC ! LAST ANNOUNCEMENT ! On SATURDAY MARCH 1, 1997 the 4th alfa centauri electronic music festival will be held in THEATRE 3-in-1 HUIZEN the NETHERLANDS with concerts of AIR SCULPTURE, VIDNA OBMANA, MIND OVER MATTER, RON BOOTS&FRIENDS, ELEKTRONISCHE MASCHINE, FRIENDS of alfa-centauri and lots of DEMO's: Modular arp moog demo/concert (play it yourself !), digital sampling, lots of equipment, books, magazines, and of course a CD/cassette/record market with famous/less famous artists, presentations of interestgroups and fanclubs like EMMA, KLEM, HCC, Schwingungen Club, etc. etc, continuous video program, trade exchange, etc. Meet hundreds of fans of synthesizer and space music, amateur and professional musicians from different west-european countries ! ADVANCE TICKET BOOKINGS PERIOD IS ABOUT TO CLOSE ! TICKETS cost f 22,50 (advance bookings until 15th of february) TICKETS at box office f 27,50 theatre opens at 12.00 am, and closes just around midnight don't miss this 12 hour (!) event reserve your tickets by sending cash or eurocheque to STICHTING ALFA-CENTAURI PO BOX 1131 NL-1271 BC HUIZEN the NETHERLANDS or Email Eric.Snelders@d..., or phone (+31) (0) 35-5265635 / 5267679 (after 20.00 hours) We send you ROUTE and HOTEL information on request ! See you at the 4th ALFA CENTAURI ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL on MARCH 1 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 3:22 pm Subject: Really-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Westermark?= unsubscribe tadream paal@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: 'Phillip R. Naunton' <74427.3125@C...> >Dave, my man, I totally agree with you. I stopped buying new TD after >Optical >Race. Did buy 220 Volt/Three Phase, but other than that, I dislike new TD. >Someone mentioned that he likes Stratosfear '95 better then the original, >man what is he thinking of. Me neither... >Marcel Engels >fsp@p... > Morgan feldon@n... -------------------------------------------------------- Do we have to keep harping on this theme? I've been on this list for a couple of years and this theme comes up fairly frequently. 'Why I hate TD today.' or ' 'Lily On The Beach' is actually composed by Yanni.' or maybe 'Edgar hasn't done anything worthwhile since 'Electronic Meditation'.'; its all so pointless. If you don't like the band, find something else to obsess about. I'm as much for constructive criticism as anybody else, but I think that if there is not 40% PMA (Positive Mental Attitude) about TD, then it doesn't belong on a thread. I'm also disappointed that there aren't 39 albums like 'Force Majeure' or 'Logos', but there aren't, and that is it. Get over it! There are hundreds of artists who have done only one notable thing. Dozens` haven't done any. Nominations, anybody? John Tesh? Yanni? Klaus Schulze (Now Playing!)? Kitaro? Jarre? Phil N. P.S. Also on the List-equette subject: Can we dispense with the 'Me, too!' and/or 'Me, neither.' posts. They serve no other function but to waste bandwidth. IMO, if you don't have a significant element of discussion to add to the fray then it can be illiminated. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Froese and Dali Really-From: 'Phillip R. Naunton' <74427.3125@C...> Morgan quotes and responds----- >>Does anyone know about this. >>I wondered if Dali might have influenced Froese in his >>musical developement ? > >There's no question in my mind that Dali had a LOT to do with TD's impressions. > >Morgan<< Last night I was in a bookstore looking at some reproductions of a Tarot deck designed by Salvadore Dali, a really beautiful creation BTW, and I thought to myself, 'Maybe Edgar needs a refresher course.' All in fun of course. 8-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 11:37 pm Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: 'Phillip R. Naunton' <74427.3125@C...> > > Do we have to keep harping on this theme? I've been on this list for > a couple of years and this theme comes up fairly frequently. 'Why I hate TD > today.' or ' 'Lily On The Beach' is actually composed by Yanni.' or maybe > 'Edgar hasn't done anything worthwhile since 'Electronic Meditation'.'; Well, to be fair to everyone else, we haven't all been on the list for same length of time, and so repetition is bound to happen. We need to remember that this is an ever growing forum on an increasingly popular medium, and there may be a danger that this sort of (apparent) attitude could make us seem pompous and drive people with valid comments away for fear of incurring our wrath. Now before Phil (or anyone else) writes back to counter these points, I'm not saying that that was what Phil intended (at least I assume it wasn't). And in many ways I agree with the parts of his comments I snipped out - constructive criticism has to be to the fore and we need to constantly police ourselves to prevent the potential fall into oblivion. And in general we seem to do a pretty good job, with the occassional prompt from Mr. Datta. > I'm also disappointed that there aren't 39 albums like 'Force Majeure' > or 'Logos', but there aren't, and that is it. Get over it! There are hundreds > of artists who have done only one notable thing. Dozens` haven't done any. > Nominations, anybody? John Tesh? Yanni? Klaus Schulze (Now Playing!)? > Kitaro? Jarre? I think that's where this thread originated, wasn't it? Alternatives to TD for disillusioned fans? And I won't take you to task over your nominations, 'cos that would no doubt lead to another long and protracted thread of 'X is better than Y and sounds more like TD than Z'. > P.S. Also on the List-equette subject: Can we dispense with the 'Me, too!' > and/or 'Me, neither.' posts. They serve no other function but to waste > bandwidth. IMO, if you don't have a significant element of discussion to add to > the fray then it can be illiminated. I agree! (Ehm, oops). Phil, I don't want to sound offensive, but did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. This doesn't sound like the usual sort of post from your quarter, or am I confusing you with some of the other Phil's on the list? And finally (sorry this is rambling on) if anyone is looking for The Keep (unofficial release) and can't find it, I might be able to help them out. A local shop has (or had last week) a single copy. E-mail me personally. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 5:54 pm Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > I think every version of 'Stratosfear' that they did after the original > is superior to it. True, I wish that Strato '95 had been > longer and contained more of the original's structure, but the original > 'Stratosfear'? Pfah, one of the most blandly repetitive, > uninspired pieces in the entire TD canon. Whatever Lars was thinking of, > well, I guess I was thinking something similar. How would you feel if Edgar tangenized Encore pt. 3 or so? And make it a pop-track. This is how Stratos'95 sounds to me. I'm sorry. But everyone should follow his own musical tastes of course, no offense. Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 844 Re: pushing the hot buttons again Gabe Yedid Thu 2/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 5:58 pm Subject: ToB-CD Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' By the way: My ToB CD (with Quasar track) says Stratosfear 94 and not Stratosfear 95. Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1038 TD T-Shirts from S.Bush concert. Doreen Williams Wed 2/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 7:30 pm Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > How would you feel if Edgar tangenized Encore pt. 3 or so? And make > it a pop-track. This is how Stratos'95 sounds to me. I'm sorry. I would probably love it! What (I think) Lars and I were getting at was that the original 'Stratosfear' is (IMO, maybe not his) a pretty bland, colourless piece, as is most of _Encore_, IMO. (I *LOVED* the Monolight remixes on _Tangents_, I wish TD would do those live, with the piano solo). And they took it and injected some intensity and energy into it. Yes, they used guitars and drums, but that was what made the difference here. The '86 tour version also has interesting new synth lines and drums. This is not to say I like *every* Tangentization with no questions asked, mind you. But when they get it spot on, boy do they get it. > But everyone should follow his own musical tastes of course, no offense. Amen. > Marcel Gabe Gabe ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gabe Yedid email: gabe@c... Dept. of Biology, McGill University bleo@m... Montreal, Quebec, Canada gyedid@p... 'Understanding is a three-edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth.' --Capt. John J. Sheridan, 'Babylon 5' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 7:40 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #833 Really-From: Harri Ikonen > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > >As far as I can remember, the Ginger Lynn tape was called 'Ginger's > >Greatest' or something like that, but the other one is beyond recall. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Wow! Isn't this a Klaus Schultze disc? Aw naw! Please tell me Klaus isn't > making blue movies! That's a horrible thought! No, he's not. I meant to say that I cannot recall the title of the other movie, but unfortunately picked a wrong expression for that purpose. My apologies for the confusion. > >'Risky Business' was released in 1983. > > I don't have this album - too much none TD and most of those tracks > featured turn up on Tangram anyway - but isn't one of the titles something > like 'Get off the babysitter...'. Now that's a cool title. I remember going > to a Moog synthesiser demo years ago where the demonstrator played a > composition entitled 'Richard, don't lock me out' or 'Don't shut the door > on me dick...'. Funny the sort of things that stick in your head isn't it? Sorry to nitpick, but the tracks are actually from 'Exit' and 'Force Majeure' 'No Future (Get Off the Babysitter)' - 'Exit' 'Guido the Killer Pimp' - 'Cloudburst Flight' 'Lana' - 'Force Majeure' > Anyway, Ginger Lynn is still going strong too : churning out more dodgy > material than Edgar Froese these days. She's indeed active, but in mainstream films. She left the x-rated business in late 1980s. -- Harri Ikonen hikonen@m... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 7:49 pm Subject: Re: Orb (was Re: Mike Oldfield) Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > > > i would agree that, if one compares it to the original, it doesnt stand > up...but thats not the point, imo...the orb does remixing and > 'reconstruction' and, i think hes good at that...is this one of his better > releases? definately not, imo...but it wasnt meant, i dont think, to compete > in any way with the original...(btw, the fila brazilia remix is the The general attitude seemed to be not only was it not a good reinterpretation of Jarre, it wasn't even a particularly good techno album, that other artists could have done much better in doing something INTERESTING, never mind satying faithful to the original. so, why does Paterson need a multi-track master then? He doesn't do remixes in the mid-80s sense of the word, does he? (read: something like Tangentization). > highlight)...the same will hold true of the td remix...if this list starts > off by comparing it to the original its sunk before it comes out...if > however, we look at it as an artistic re-interpretation of the original and > hold it up to the light on its own, it may survive...as to my music > addiction: lets just say i have a good supplier... > > tom w > > np: headz a disc 1 - (a mo'wax compilation; why should td stop with the > orb?...can u guys imagine a scanner remix? or an aphex twin remix?) We can IMAGINE. As to what these folks would want to remix out of all of TD's canon, well...3 votes for NOT the more recent stuff. Gabe who didn't insert a sig this time From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 7:45 pm Subject: RE: pushing the hot buttons Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: sean > > > > I must offer a dissenting opinion. In the time I have been on the list, > > I can't help but think that TD has one of the most remarkably fickle fan > > bases anywhere, BECAUSE they keep experimenting. > > > True....but we still buy the albums anyway, don't we? I mean, because Yes, but do we buy them just because it's TD? This is one of the hardest accusations to fight off from disgruntled ex-fans--'the name sells records' one. It irks the hell out of me every time I see it, but very hard to defend other than 'Well, I listen to TD because they change so much and I like that!' > they DO change their sound on a regular basis, you never know when it'll > be something great. What I meant was I don't know about any band whose 'fans' can give albums X, Y, Z effusive praise with fanatic fervour and rip into albums A, B, C, and then the band itself) with a venom usually reserved for true societal scum. There is something else I have to say on this, but I have neither the time, energy, nor desire to begin, and then defend my opinions in, what could be the biggest flame war the list has ever seen. > > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 851 Buying it for the name? sean Thu 2/13/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November) Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Tracklist: OCTOBER-NOVEMBER 1992 USA TOUR Set one 1) Waterborne 2) Touchwood 3) Rolling Down Cahuenga 4) Blue Bridge 5) Oriental Haze 6) Graffiti Street 7) Melrose 8) Two Bunch Palms 9) 220 Volt 10) Homeless Set two 11) Story of the Brave 12) Sundance Kid 13) Girls on Broadway 14) Love on a Real Train 15) Back Street Hero 16) Body Corporate 17) Rockoon Encores 18) One Night in Medina 19) Hamlet 20) Dreamtime 21) Purple Haze --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ - ------------------------------ Known extant fan recordings (dates in European format, i.e. day.month.year): 04.10.92 Toronto Music Hall 05.10.92 Montreal Wilfred Peltier Theatre 08.10.92 Boston Berklee Performance Center 09.10.92 New York Beacon Theater 10.10.92 Upper Darby (Philadelphia) Tower Theater 13.10.92 Washington D.C. Lisner Auditorium 14.10.92 Columbus Palace Theater 15.10.92 Baltimore Johns Hopkins University/Shriver Hall 16.10.92 Cleveland Front Row Theater 17.10.92 Chicago Old Vic Theater 20.10.92 Detroit Fox Theater 28.10.92 San Juan/Capistrano Coach House 30.10.92 Los Angeles Wiltern Theater 01.11.92 Ventura Theater --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ - ------------------------------ Cheers, John Burek and Mark Schaffer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 875 Re: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November) John Burek Fri 2/14/1997 4 KB 878 Re: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November) m.schaffer@i... Fri 2/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...> Hello folks, Well, about a month and half ago I posted a message to the list asking whether anyone was terribly interested in tour tracklists. I got a few replies to the affirmative, so thus began a rather arduous process (still far from complete) of compiling these things from existing tour tapes. Fellow list member Mark Schaffer and I have undertaken to catalog tracklists from TD's 1980 tour shows up to the present day, in conjunction with the column we write for Voyager magazine on concert tapes. It's turned out to be a well-more difficult task than anticipated--although most tours contained mostly the same tracklists for each show within the tour, there are often slight variations that make sweeping statements about an entire tour difficult. However, scanning through many hours of tapes is bringing us nearer to consensus on many of the patterns of the tours. As we settle each tracklist to the best of our ability, we'll post the results to the list under the subject header 'TRACKLIST: 19XX tour'. As time (and our ears' endurance) permit, expect to see discrete tracklists for the following TD tours and one-off shows: 1) Oct-Nov 1980 Europe tour 2) Jan-Feb 1981 Europe mini-tour 3) Berlin Reichstag August 1981 (one-off show) 4) Oct-Nov 1981 UK tour 5) December 1981 Munich Circus Krone (one-off show) 6) Feb-March 1982 Australia mini-tour 7) Oct-Nov 1982 Europe tour 8) June 1983 Frankfurt 'Fassbinder Memorial Concert' (one-off show) 9) June 1983 Japan mini-tour 10) Nov 1983 Dresden (one-off show) 11) Dec 1983 Warsaw (two 'one-off' shows) 12) June 1984 Athens (one-off show) 13) March 1986 UK tour 14) May-June 1986 USA tour 15) August 1987 Berlin Reichstag (one-off show) 16) August-Sept 1988 USA tour 17) Feb 1990 Berlin 'Brandenburger' concert (one-off show) 18) Oct-Nov 1990 UK tour 19) Oct-Nov 1992 USA tour 20) July 1995 LA S.I.R. Theater (one-off show) 21) November 1996 London Shepherds Bush (one-off show) Not all at once, of course. :) Pre-1980 (including the East Berlin 'Pergamon' shows in January 1980), there were no discrete tracklists to detect--shows were mainly improvised. If anyone has heard recordings that contradict of could augment our research, we want to hear from you! We'll start (in a separate message) with the 1992 USA tour (easy, since all the tapes we've heard are exactly the same). Enjoy! Disputes/questions/discussion encouraged.... --John and Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 855 Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message Vincent Goudreault Thu 2/13/1997 3 KB 860 Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message sean Thu 2/13/1997 2 KB 877 Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural answer m.schaffer@i... Fri 2/14/1997 3 KB 907 Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message Mark Filipak Sat 2/15/1997 17 KB 908 Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message Mark Filipak Sat 2/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:33 pm Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-02-13 11:05:55 EST, you write: << Dozens` haven't done any >> Klaus Schulze (Now Playing!)? whoa there good buddy...lets not start a ks hasnt done anything decent thread.... if you don't have a significant element of discussion to add to the fray then it can be illiminated. do u mean eliminated or illuminated? tom w np: (horrors) u2 : the propaganda melon remixes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:32 pm Subject: Buying it for the name? Really-From: sean > Yes, but do we buy them just because it's TD? Well, that might well be *part* of it. However, I have not purchased the most recent albums by the Cure, R.E.M., The Cranberries, Soundgarden and several others even though I had previously liked these groups. With TD, it's different. My affiliation with them goes back farther. And part of me likes the fact that they aren't all that well known. They're like a pot of gold that I horde to myself. I don't have to hear a new TD single that I dislike played on the radio 10 times a day, until I resent the whole album that it comes from. Because the band is so prolific, and because they continue to attempt different styles of work, it's harder to just write them off as it is a band that only puts out an album every two or three years. You don't have time to forget about them. Just as you've given an album enough time to really decide if you like it or not - bang - there's another one. I don't think this is a bad thing! It's just how I've viewed the TD situation since I became an ardent fan in the mid 80s. It's rather like a slot machine...they give you a prize every so often just to keep you pulling the lever. I've probably made a barbed comment or two here in regards to the band, but as someone who also works in the creative realm, I have nothing but respect for the body of work that they've produced, the fervour with which they continue to compose, and their overall integrity. I think we would all do well to remember that they're just human beings doing what they love, and letting us in on it. A fan shouldn't expect them to serve as their own personal musicians. The old stuff is still there if that's all you like. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:50 pm Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons again Really-From: feldon@n... >I would probably love it! What (I think) Lars and I were getting at was that >the original 'Stratosfear' is (IMO, maybe not his) a pretty bland, >colourless piece, as is most of _Encore_, IMO. (I *LOVED* the Monolight remixes >on _Tangents_, I wish TD would do those live, with the piano solo). And >they took it and injected some intensity and energy into it. Yes, they used >guitars and drums, but that was what made the difference here. The '86 tour >version also has interesting new synth lines and drums. On to a b**t topic: Did TD play any more of Logos during the 1988 concert than the Blue part? It seems that 88 was a return to history. Did they play anything else besides Logos and Phaedra (or was that in 86?) Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:56 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream Evolution Really-From: feldon@n... >There is something else I have to say on this, but I have neither the >time, energy, nor desire to begin, and then defend my opinions in, what >could be the biggest flame war the list has ever seen. > > >> Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR When I listen to Tangerine Dream, whatever the year, I wonder: Are the tracks between 1976 and 1982 so different and (and I'm going out on a limb here) more to many tastes than 1983-1989 tracks for any particular reason other than evolution? Maybe Tangerine Dream wanted to make CDs like Goblin's Club and Melrose all along but didn't have the equipment to MIDIfy everything. Ok, that was definately a stretch... But really, Force Majeure and Cyclone are as close to 70's pop-rock as TD ever got back then (I haven't heard Tangram, so couldn't tell you about that). And now, listening to Goblin's Club, when I am on a 5-10 minute drive, what do I play? The first 4 minutes of track 1 and the first 3 minutes of track 2 and wonder... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 869 Re: Tangerine Dream Evolution Rich Maggio Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 871 Re: Tangerine Dream Evolution Mark Filipak Fri 2/14/1997 3 KB 923 Re: Tangerine Dream Evolution TheSmitter@a... Sun 2/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 8:59 pm Subject: Moog Question Really-From: feldon@n... I know that this list probably isn't the right place for this question, but I know someone who bought a full size Moog keyboard (we're talking 8 feet across and over 100 lbs) used in 1986 for $750. He is a friend of mine (met him last year) and he doesn't know what to do with it because it sort of got damaged, a couple of keys are missing now and it doesn't work. Is there any place in the US that does repairs on such keyboards? Maybe he should just sell it. TD might pay $10,000 for it, I would if I had it and had TO! This Moog is fully MIDIfied and had a place for a floppy drive. Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1037 The Moog Cookbook Doreen Williams Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 9:14 pm Subject: Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > Enjoy! Disputes/questions/discussion encouraged.... Well, this may be nit-picking, but I object to the Canadian venues to be included in an overall 'USA tour' label, as the May-June 1986 (#14), August-Sept 1988 (#16) and Oct-Nov 1992 (#19) tours are currently listed. I would recommend 'North American' tour. For the record, this is how the venues of those tours were labelled (i.e.: North American tour) on the promo tee-shirts that were sold at said shows. Us Canadians are still proud of our identity, though we share many values with our good friends south of the border. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet and, for the sake of those who asked the question: 39 (will be 40 in 4 days), master degree in Aerospace Engineering, single and completely bald (including eyelashes, eyebrows, etc.), born in Montreal and still living/working in that area. Only musical instrument mastered: CD player ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 860 Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message sean Thu 2/13/1997 2 KB 877 Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural answer m.schaffer@i... Fri 2/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:32 am Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuliĉ/Sasha Sekulich) On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:19:16 -0500, you wrote: >I'm so glad Oldfield got out from under the thumb of Virgin records. The 'pop' >stuff he put out during the latter period of his contract with Virgin was >largely forgettable, IMHO. TBII was a breath of fresh air without simply >being a rehash of the original. I have heard that he has a new album out now >called Voyager, although it does not appear to be distributed here in the US. >Do you have any info on it? It's been released for at least 3-4 months, and if you can get it here (Serbia) you should be able to get in anywhere :) Anyway, it isn't like SoTD or TBII, not to mention Amarok. It's just a 'collection' of folk/folk influenced songs. There really isn't anything catchy or memorable. JAA (Just Another Album). I'd rather listen Heaven's Open/Earth Moving (and I do :) than this one. Nonetheless, it belongs into something called A Must Have. :) It's really nothing special, but it isn't bad. *********************************************************************** Sasa Sekulic, Student at the Faculty of Physics, University of Belgrade --------------------------------------------------------------------- mrsasha@b... ******************* mrsasha@a... *********************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:32 am Subject: Re: pushing the hot buttons Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuliĉ/Sasha Sekulich) On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:06:30 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: dalane@b... (Dave Lane) >> In other words, some folks are content to live in >> the past, and for them is classic rock radio, with its never-ending >> doses of Stairway to Heaven, Freebird and that annoying Peter Frampton >> song whose title escapes me at the moment (wait! They're ALL annoying!). >Baloney. I'd bet that 99% of the people who listen to '70-'88 TD don't >like any of the above crap. I know I don't. I'm also not content >to swallow trite instrumental pop just because it has the TD brand >name on it. There's too much other good stuff out there. Hey! Why crap? I do love Stairway to Heaven once in a while. Every year or so... :) But really, I like rock, metal, blues, jazz, even pop sometimes :) And electronic/experimental music, of course. *********************************************************************** Sasa Sekulic, Student at the Faculty of Physics, University of Belgrade --------------------------------------------------------------------- mrsasha@b... ******************* mrsasha@a... *********************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:32 am Subject: Re: Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuliĉ/Sasha Sekulich) >On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:20:31 GMT, Maxwell wrote: > >>Hey Dream boys and girls of course (if there are any), >>So what's the average age of people subscribed to this list and where=20 >>are most of you from? Sasa Sekulic, 20, student at the Faculty of Physics, Belgrade. Have been living in Croatia first 15 years, and in Serbia afterwards. A fan for exactly 21 day :)) Not than I haven't heard of them before, but I haven't actually listened to them but I knew I'd like 'em (being listening to Mike Oldfield, Vangelis JMJ, Enya, Yello, Pink Floyd etc.). Currently in possession of: Atem :) and Destination Berlin :))) Anybody younger? :) *********************************************************************** Sasa Sekulic, Student at the Faculty of Physics, University of Belgrade --------------------------------------------------------------------- mrsasha@b... ******************* mrsasha@a... *********************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 10:08 pm Subject: New comer Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > Sasa Sekulic, 20, student at the Faculty of Physics, Belgrade. Have been > living in Croatia first 15 years, and in Serbia afterwards. A fan for exactly > 21 day :)) Not than I haven't heard of them before, but I haven't actually > listened to them but I knew I'd like 'em (being listening to Mike Oldfield, > Vangelis JMJ, Enya, Yello, Pink Floyd etc.). > Fan for only 21 days? It would be most interesting to follow your evolution, how your preferences shift as you discover albums, how you freshly approach each TD work with a 'new ear' (as opposed to us old timers). Please keep us up to date in your discovery of TD music, what you pick up on the first listen, and how your appreciation changes (or not) on the second, third, etc. audition. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 9:59 pm Subject: Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural message Really-From: sean > Well, this may be nit-picking, but I object to the Canadian venues to be > included in an overall 'USA tour' label, as the May-June 1986 (#14), Bravo! > Us Canadians are still proud of our identity Even when we aren't sure what that identity is... > though we share many values with our good friends south of the border. Think of us as a 'kinder, gentler' America. Fewer guns, more spruce trees. We stab you in the back rather than kick you in the gonads. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'Humour is truth, only faster' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hello folks, Here goes another tracklist. This one was easy--it's on TD's homepage--but actually, there are a couple of slight clarifications Mark and I made to more accurately reflect what was actually played.....enjoy! --John Burek and Mark Schaffer ________________________________________________________________________________\ _ _ TRACKLIST: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30.11.96 First set 1) Opening atmospheres 2) Barbakane (excerpt) 3) Sundance Kid 4) Hyperborea 5) Warsaw in the Sun 6) Exit 7) Stratosfear 1995 8) Dolphin Dance 9) Melrose 10) Streethawk 11) The Blue Bridge 12) Oriental Haze Second set 13) Piano solos (Edgar and Linda--an excerpt from Ricochet Part Two and some Mozart) 14) Nomad (unreleased track) 15) 220 Volt 16) Dreamtime 17) Catwalk (with lengthy new intro) 18) Firetongues 19) Girls on Broadway 20) Rising Haul in Silence 21) Lamb With Radar Eyes 22) Touchwood (Forest Mix) 23) Towards the Evening Star Encores 24) Hamlet 25) Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal 26) Eleanor Rigby --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ - --------------------------------------- Known fan recordings: 30.11.96 London Shepherd's Bush Empire (several versions) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 862 TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 John Burek Thu 2/13/1997 3 KB 1036 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Doreen Williams Wed 2/19/1997 4 KB 1040 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 m.schaffer@i... Wed 2/19/1997 3 KB 1062 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Matt Williams Thu 2/20/1997 3 KB 870 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 feldon@n... Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 874 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Craig R. J. Cordrey Fri 2/14/1997 3 KB 884 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 John Burek Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Hello folks, Here goes another tracklist. This one was easy--it's on TD's homepage--but actually, there are a couple of slight clarifications Mark and I made to more accurately reflect what was actually played.....enjoy! --John Burek and Mark Schaffer ________________________________________________________________________________\ _ _ TRACKLIST: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30.11.96 First set 1) Opening atmospheres 2) Barbakane (excerpt) 3) Sundance Kid 4) Hyperborea 5) Warsaw in the Sun 6) Exit 7) Stratosfear 1995 8) Dolphin Dance 9) Melrose 10) Streethawk 11) The Blue Bridge 12) Oriental Haze Second set 13) Piano solos (Edgar and Linda--an excerpt from Ricochet Part Two and some Mozart) 14) Nomad (unreleased track) 15) 220 Volt 16) Dreamtime 17) Catwalk (with lengthy new intro) 18) Firetongues 19) Girls on Broadway 20) Rising Haul in Silence 21) Lamb With Radar Eyes 22) Touchwood (Forest Mix) 23) Towards the Evening Star Encores 24) Hamlet 25) Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal 26) Eleanor Rigby --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ - --------------------------------------- Known fan recordings: 30.11.96 London Shepherd's Bush Empire (several versions) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1036 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Doreen Williams Wed 2/19/1997 4 KB 1040 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 m.schaffer@i... Wed 2/19/1997 3 KB 1062 Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Matt Williams Thu 2/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Something Controversial(sp) Really-From: Matt Williams Hi People, I have been on this least for well over a year now and I don't know if it is me but this list doesn't seem to be as good as it was when I first came onto it,I used to contribute to the discussions and enjoy reading the mails but now when I go into my mail folder and see loads of TD mail I just delete most of it just by reading the subjects. Does anyone else feel the same or is it just me who has changed....maybe I should give the space music list a try for a while! Matt.......... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 11:52 pm Subject: The Official A PRODUCE web page is here! Really-From: Jill Bryant Hello synth musicians and Emusic fans, the official A PRODUCE page is on the net (and has been for some time)! A PRODUCE web page URL: http://pages.prodigy.com/APRODUCE/APRODUCE.htm It is part of the Timeless Sequences Electronic Music web page: http://pages.prodigy.com/TimelessSequencesEM Everyone tell me what you think. I aim to please any listener of this genre! Synthly & Cosmically, Jill Bryant From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: More TD tour dates Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (peter stoeferle) TD's Home Page issued the following tour dates: >>> Tangerine Dream European Tour 1997 Starting at April 9th, Tangerine Dream will open Tickets are available the European Tour 1997 with the following from: concerts: Moderne Welt GmbH Wed, 04/09/97 Vienna TBA Marienbaderstr. 6/1, Thu, 04/10/97 Leipzig/Dresden TBA D-70372 Stuttgart Fri, 04/11/97 Bonn Beethovenhalle Tel.: +49.711.9547474 Fax: +49.711.9547470 Sat, 04/12/97 München Circus Krone Sun, 04/13/97 Nürnberg/Erlangen Stadthalle Erlangen Tue, 04/15/97 Hamburg Musikhalle Wed, 04/16/97 Berlin Hochschule der Kuenste (HdK) Thu, 04/17/97 Hannover Music Hall Fri, 04/18/97 Neu-Isenburg Hugenottenhalle Sat, 04/19/97 Brussels TBA Sun, 04/20/97 Amsterdam TBA Tue, 04/22/97 Budapest TBA Wed, 04/23/97 Zabrze (Poland) TBA Thu, 04/24/97 Prague TBA Fri, 04/25/97 Linz TBA Sat, 04/26/97 Ljubljana TBA (Slovenia) Mon, 04/28/97 Italy TBA Tue, 04/29/97 Italy TBA Wed, 04/30/97 Italy TBA Thu, 05/01/97 Zürich TBA Fri, 05/02/97 Geneva/Genf TBA Sat, 05/03/97 Lyon TBA Mon, 05/05/97 Paris TBA Tue, 05/06/97 Bordeaux TBA Wed, 05/07/97 San TBA Sebastian(Spain) Thu, 05/08/97 Madrid TBA Sat, 05/31/97 Athen TBA Sun, 06/01/97 Thessaloniki TBA TBA = to be announced The tour will be continued!!! So watch out for updates or changes often, cause all dates (except for Germany) are tentative. The list was last updated on Wed, 02/12/97. >>> End quote Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 1039 Re: More TD tour dates Doreen Williams Wed 2/19/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 6:59 am Subject: Sorry! Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Sorry. I goofed. Sudden rush of sh*t to the brain, I'm afraid... Surreal-to-Reals URL is, in fact, http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/surreal/ Apologies for the mistake. Cheers David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37821 Re: Sorry! John Vertical omegatransfinito Tue 12/17/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 2:32 am Subject: Re: unsubscribe Really-From: korg@s... (bill dorrans) >unsubscribe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15463 unsubscribe MikeVal777@a... Fri 3/26/1999 1 KB 16418 unsubscribe jon ward Fri 5/14/1999 2 KB 16516 unsubscribe jon ward Tue 5/18/1999 1 KB 17896 unsubscribe Carl Maestre Sat 9/18/1999 1 KB 27851 unsubscribe E Neal Frost Mon 7/23/2001 2 KB 29136 unsubscribe Rimas Lazutka Tue 9/18/2001 2 KB 31856 unsubscribe fozziebear Fri 2/1/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Really-From: 'Patricio Vela' unsubscribe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:21 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream Evolution Really-From: Rich Maggio > and Cyclone are as close to 70's pop-rock as TD ever got back then (I > haven't heard Tangram, so couldn't tell you about that). And now, listening You haven't heard Tangram! You are deprived! You must get/listen to it. I think it is one of their best. I believe most folks on this list would agree. I think of Tangram and a TD staple. If you want to pick it up now, you are in luck because they just re-released it as an SBM with the original red cover. Rich Maggio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 5:32 am Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Really-From: feldon@n... At 05:35 PM 2/13/97 EST, you wrote: >Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> > > Sheperd's Bush... >--------------------------------------- >Known fan recordings: > >30.11.96 London Shepherd's Bush Empire (several versions) Hmm... I am curious if the additions to Catwalk are of redeeming value among some other songs played. Is it worth the disc? I've got every TD with few exceptions. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 5:51 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream Evolution Really-From: Mark Filipak tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Rich Maggio > > > and Cyclone are as close to 70's pop-rock as TD ever got back then > > (I haven't heard Tangram, so couldn't tell you about that). And now, > > listening > > You haven't heard Tangram! You are deprived! You must get/listen to > it. I think it is one of their best. I believe most folks on this > list would agree. I think of Tangram and a TD staple. If you want > to pick it up now, you are in luck because they just re-released it > as an SBM with the original red cover. > > Rich Maggio And if I may add, from A/B listenings of the old 'Tangram' CD and the new one, the difference is _dramatic_. Get it -- Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:07 pm Subject: RE: pushing the hot buttons Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > There is something else I have to say on this, but I have neither the > time, energy, nor desire to begin, and then defend my opinions in, what > could be the biggest flame war the list has ever seen. > > Gabe > C'mon Gabe, you can't make a comment like this and then leave us hanging! 'the biggest flame war this list has ever seen' sounds like a great thread to me. (Well, that and the blurb from one of those deep-voiced-over cheap straight-to-video films 8-)). --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 991 Re: pushing the hot buttons Plumer, Scott Tue 2/18/1997 3 KB 1001 Re: pushing the hot buttons TWeibre361@a... Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:11 pm Subject: Re: Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: mrsasha@b... (Saa Sekuli /Sasha Sekulich) > > Currently in possession of: Atem :) and Destination Berlin :))) > I think most on the list would suggest that you couldn't have picked a more extreme two albums to start with. As Gabe said, it'll be interesting to see which of these (IMHO) two separate camps you end preferring. > Anybody younger? :) > I think there's a couple, but not many. Most of seem to be spread in the late-20s-to-late-30s range (I think). --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 920 Re: Gabe Yedid Sat 2/15/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:12 pm Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > Really-From: feldon@n... > Hmm... I am curious if the additions to Catwalk are of redeeming value among > some other songs played. Is it worth the disc? I've got every TD with few > exceptions. I think this is just a fan tape, not a CD. Or has this now appeared on CD somewhere? (It's only a matter of time). --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: RE: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November) Really-From: Peter Ravn Dear John Burek and Mark Schaffer A tremendous job you are going to do. But nevertheless I think you forgot the Seattle 25.10.92 show. Maybe more, but that were that I remember right now. Best regards, Peter Ravn ---------- Fra: 'tadream@c...'@LOCAL Til: 'tadream@c...'@LOCAL Emne: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November) Dato: 13. February 1997 20:44 Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Tracklist: OCTOBER-NOVEMBER 1992 USA TOUR Set one 1) Waterborne 2) Touchwood 3) Rolling Down Cahuenga 4) Blue Bridge 5) Oriental Haze 6) Graffiti Street 7) Melrose 8) Two Bunch Palms 9) 220 Volt 10) Homeless Set two 11) Story of the Brave 12) Sundance Kid 13) Girls on Broadway 14) Love on a Real Train 15) Back Street Hero 16) Body Corporate 17) Rockoon Encores 18) One Night in Medina 19) Hamlet 20) Dreamtime 21) Purple Haze ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- ------------------------------ Known extant fan recordings (dates in European format, i.e. day.month.year): 04.10.92 Toronto Music Hall 05.10.92 Montreal Wilfred Peltier Theatre 08.10.92 Boston Berklee Performance Center 09.10.92 New York Beacon Theater 10.10.92 Upper Darby (Philadelphia) Tower Theater 13.10.92 Washington D.C. Lisner Auditorium 14.10.92 Columbus Palace Theater 15.10.92 Baltimore Johns Hopkins University/Shriver Hall 16.10.92 Cleveland Front Row Theater 17.10.92 Chicago Old Vic Theater 20.10.92 Detroit Fox Theater 28.10.92 San Juan/Capistrano Coach House 30.10.92 Los Angeles Wiltern Theater 01.11.92 Ventura Theater ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- ------------------------------ Cheers, John Burek and Mark Schaffer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 878 Re: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November) m.schaffer@i... Fri 2/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 5:13 pm Subject: Really-From: ashok prema From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:40:20 +0200 (EET) Subject: Re: tadream-digest V15 #833 Really-From: Harri Ikonen > Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > >As far as I can remember, the Ginger Lynn tape was called 'Ginger's > >Greatest' or something like that, but the other one is beyond recall. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Wow! Isn't this a Klaus Schultze disc? Aw naw! Please tell me Klaus isn't > making blue movies! That's a horrible thought! >No, he's not. I meant to say that I cannot recall the title of the other >movie, but unfortunately picked a wrong expression for that purpose. My >apologies for the confusion. Am I missing something ?? Shultzes 'Body Love' was as Blue as blue movies go - and very nice it was too!! .........time for another cold shower!! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 11:45 am Subject: Re: TOUR TRACKLISTS: Inaugural answer Really-From: m.schaffer@i... > > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > Well, this may be nit-picking, but I object to the Canadian venues to be > included in an overall 'USA tour' label, as the May-June 1986 (#14), > August-Sept 1988 (#16) and Oct-Nov 1992 (#19) tours are currently listed. > I would recommend 'North American' tour. For the record, this is how the > venues of those tours were labelled (i.e.: North American tour) on the promo > tee-shirts that were sold at said shows. > > Us Canadians are still proud of our identity, though we share many > values with our good friends south of the border. > > > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > online since early 93, TD fan since 77 > first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet > That's the danger of leaving an American in charge of things, eh, John? :) Apologies to all Canadians on the list. Rest assured that all future North American tours will be labelled as such. Mark Schaffer -- =============================================================================== Mark Schaffer 'Fourth gentleman required to share large Department Of Mathematics Hampstead gentleman.' Imperial College (Monty Python's Flying Circus) LONDON SW7 2BZ Tel 0171 - 589 5111 x58619 =============================================================================== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 11:49 am Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: 1992 USA tour (October-November) Really-From: m.schaffer@i... Dear Peter, > > Really-From: Peter Ravn > > A tremendous job you are going to do. Thank you! > > But nevertheless I think you forgot the Seattle 25.10.92 show. > Maybe more, but that were that I remember right now. > > Best regards, > Peter Ravn > ---------- > Known extant fan recordings (dates in European format, i.e. > day.month.year): > > 04.10.92 Toronto Music Hall > 05.10.92 Montreal Wilfred Peltier Theatre > 08.10.92 Boston Berklee Performance Center > 09.10.92 New York Beacon Theater > 10.10.92 Upper Darby (Philadelphia) Tower Theater > 13.10.92 Washington D.C. Lisner Auditorium > 14.10.92 Columbus Palace Theater > 15.10.92 Baltimore Johns Hopkins University/Shriver Hall > 16.10.92 Cleveland Front Row Theater > 17.10.92 Chicago Old Vic Theater > 20.10.92 Detroit Fox Theater > 28.10.92 San Juan/Capistrano Coach House > 30.10.92 Los Angeles Wiltern Theater > 01.11.92 Ventura Theater > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is there a fan recording of this concert? Please send details to either myself or John (I asked John to list _all_ tour venues and specify which of those had extant fan tapes, but I don't think he got my message in time.) Thanks for your input, Mark Schaffer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 12:33 pm Subject: various comments Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) >Really-From: feldon@n... [...] >But really, Force Majeure and Cyclone are as close to 70's pop-rock as TD ever >got back then [...] Please illuminate me! I used to listen to lots of 70s-80s pop rock during the 70s and 80s and always felt that FM (which I was playing throughout the 80s) was as far from mainstream pop-rock as one could get! I don't mean this negatively/sarcastically/caustically and would appreciate an explanation. lars ----------------------------------------------------- >Really-From: sean >> Us Canadians are still proud of our identity >Even when we aren't sure what that identity is... >Think of us as a 'kinder, gentler' America. Fewer guns, more spruce trees ... sorry I couldn't resist; BTW I do love Canada and have visited every province! Lars (who really owes Sean a few beers now!) ****Obligatory TD content for TLM [The List Master]:**** In answer to last week's query: I'm 35, married, a student in art history living near Boston; I've been a hard-core fan of TD since around '81 or so. First exposure was Theif and first albums were Ricochet and Sorcerer. I love 76-86 TD best but still like ALL of their stuff. ps: a addition to my Haslinger comments of late: My parakeet 'Fang' :> gives Future Perfect two 'claws' up (he really loves it!) but World Without Rules gets one 'claw' up; my parrot :> could care less though--which is also how she feels about TD in general :-( It is strange (maybe I'm starting some really eccentric thread here but so what!) but I've noticed that parakeets (at least the two that I've had) really seem to like music and especially EM; my previous parakeet loved 'Transfer Station Blue' and could 'sing' almost all of it from memory (eg: when the stereo was off). Fang also likes a variety of TD, but seems to prefer those CDs which tend to get higher 'AS' scores on the list. How do I know? If he isn't interested, he'll just sit there quietly or do something else; if he really likes the music, he participates (that's just natural flock behavior for gregarious birds!); the more he 'sings' and talks and the louder he is, the more I know he likes it. When he goes non-stop through a whole cd, I know he's just given it a 5AS! Has anyone else noticed varying/qualitative responses to TD amongst the non-human animal kingdom? lars (who expects to get flamed by the 'ultra-serious' members of this list) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 882 Re: various comments feldon@n... Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 885 Re: various comments Brian_Kirby@p... Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 896 Re: various comments slawlor Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 890 Re: various comments Marcel Engels Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 897 Re: various comments slawlor Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 902 Re: various comments Vic Rek Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 925 Re: various comments PNaunton@a... Sun 2/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 12:47 pm Subject: Really-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pċl_Westermark?= unsubscribe tadream Pċl Westermark -------------------------------------------------- Pċl Westermark: paal@i..., tel +49-18-101342 -------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 912 Armin Theissen Sat 2/15/1997 3 KB 933 Re: Craig R. J. Cordrey Sun 2/16/1997 3 KB 951 Armin Theissen Mon 2/17/1997 2 KB 983 Jan Kerp Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB 1014 Ciro A. Rodriguez Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB 1041 Ciro A. Rodriguez Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB 1045 Chris Curran Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB 1048 Re: Brian_Kirby@p... Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB 1054 Re: Mark Filipak Wed 2/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 1:47 pm Subject: Re: Something Controversial(sp) Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Feb 13, 3:17pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Something Controversial(sp) > Really-From: Matt Williams (...) > > I have been on this least for well over a year now and I don't know if it is > me but this list doesn't seem to be as good as it was when I first came onto > it,I used to contribute to the discussions and enjoy reading the mails but now > when I go into my mail folder and see loads of TD mail I just delete most of > it just by reading the subjects. > (...) Matt, perhaps what you are experiencing is only that what we hinted to a few days ago, when someone asked about our ages, backgrounds, etc. The list goes through cycles, as new comers ask questions that were addressed 12 or 24 months ago, so what you see are those topics coming around for another pass. I use to be quite active on this list, 3 years ago. Since then, I have become one of the old timers, essentially listening in and sometimes putting in a comment or answering a question asked by a fellow 'tadreamer'. Remember that this list is what YOU make out of it. Surely the discussion heats up after a new release, or during tour time. Perhaps you would like to bring in another view of the Tangerine Dream experience? You may want to ask 'what is the most unusual place you ever heard TD music', or describe 'the most unlikely person that is a TD fan' (to me that would be a country & western fan !), or tell us how many people (and how you perform that task) you introduced to TD music. The possibility are endless. Regards C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 964 Re: Something Controversial(sp) Plumer, Scott Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 2:59 pm Subject: Re: various comments Really-From: feldon@n... At 07:33 AM 2/14/97 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) > > >>Really-From: feldon@n... >[...] >>But really, Force Majeure and Cyclone are as close to 70's pop-rock as TD >ever >got back then >[...] > >Please illuminate me! I used to listen to lots of 70s-80s pop rock during >the 70s and 80s and always felt that FM (which I was playing throughout the >80s) was as far from mainstream pop-rock as one could get! I don't mean >this negatively/sarcastically/caustically and would appreciate an explanation. I don't know why I wrote that the WAY I did. Force Majeure is not pop. I'm referring to about 4 minutes of the title song. Cyclone, on the other hand... Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 9:46 am Subject: The TD Roots Collection and.... Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Just to go on record, although we have discussed this several times over the years: The range of ages of TD's music lovers is probably 9 to 95 and, professionally, we probably range from brick-layers to university professors. Men are likely to outnumber women 10:1, probably because of differences in listening styles. For whatever it's worth, I am exactly the same age as Edgar Froese (actually a month younger) and have been listening to TD since 1971. I am a medical psychologist. -------- but enough of this... I am surprised that nobody is discussing: 1) The TD Roots Collection 2) Supernatural Fairy Tales - The Progressive Rock Era The latter is a compilation by Archie Patterson (of Eurock fame) and David McLees. If you are interested in getting a feel for how our listening ears (actually brains) have evolved over the years (listeners of my age, that is), this collection of 50+ tracks is NOT to be missed. For those of you who will fork out the heavy cash, ENJOY! You won't be quite the same afterwards. :-) Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 894 Re: The TD Roots Collection and.... Vic Rek Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 963 Re: The TD Roots Collection and.... Plumer, Scott Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: TRACKLIST: London 30.11.96 Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Message text written by tadream mailing list >>Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' >> Really-From: feldon@n... >> Hmm... I am curious if the additions to Catwalk are of redeeming value among >> some other songs played. Is it worth the disc? I've got every TD with few >> exceptions. >>I think this is just a fan tape, not a CD. Or has this now >>appeared on CD somewhere? (It's only a matter of time). Hello, At the moment it's just a fan tape. However, if TD actually releases this London 1996 concert video as they mentioned they would back in December, I would think there'd be a good chance the Catwalk material would be on there. The additions at the start of the song are really no big deal, just about a minute of keyboard noodling. The guitar work within the song, though, was 'heavier' than in the ToB version. --John Burek From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 3:57 pm Subject: Re: various comments Really-From: Brian_Kirby@p... >Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) >Has anyone else noticed varying/qualitative responses to TD amongst the >non-human animal kingdom? I've noticed that our cat reacts similarly to just about every TD album: she stares vacantly into space, occasionally begs for food, and eventually goes back to sleep. Ultra-seriously, B. Kirby PS - I did discover a hairball by the stereo the last time I played 'Rockoon,' however. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 896 Re: various comments slawlor Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates wanted? Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> Vincent G.: You're absolutely right--not only **should** I have referred to the 1986, 1988, and 1992 tours as North American tours (TD played plenty of Canadian dates on those tours, for sure), but I called the 1992 tour a 'USA tour' and ***then*** said there were extant fan recordings from Toronto and Montreal! Sorry 'bout that--chalk that one up to boneheaded Yankee Americentrism. :-) Peter R.: Thanks for the kind words. Initially, we started out just listing the extant fan recordings (incidentially, I don't know of a **fan** recording of Seattle 1992, though Three Phase/220 Volt Live is an official one), but if list members would find a FULL listing of each tour's dates useful, we could certainly provide that and indicate which ones we know fantapes exist for. (In doing so, we would have to give much credit to 'Voices in the Dunes' and its creators for info on concerts that no fantape exists for.) John Burek Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 893 Re: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates want Vic Rek Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 895 Re: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates want Sean Montgomery Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB 921 Canada apologia/more complete tour dates wanted? Klaus Beschorner Sat 2/15/1997 3 KB 939 Complete tour lists? m.schaffer@i... Mon 2/17/1997 4 KB 990 Re: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates want Plumer, Scott Tue 2/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 11:12 pm Subject: Short : No TD - Funny? Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' Armin, Did you know your Microsoft Word spell-checked name is Armenia Thinness? No, I'm not making fun of your name. It's just one of those things I occassionally do when bored and yours came out quite funny I thought. My god, am I sad or what? No offense intended. --------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey - Senior Software Engineer GEC-Marconi S3I Simulation and Training Division (Donibristle) E-mail : cordrey@m... cordrey@m... --------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:33 pm Subject: pets & TD (was Re: various comments) At 07:33 97·02·14 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: ljones@h... (Lars Jones) >Has anyone else noticed varying/qualitative responses to TD amongst the >non-human animal kingdom? My cat Zocchi does have *some* preference to the music I play. Although she likes to be in my vicinity wherever at home I happen to be, and puts up with my occasional mutchering and two nephews (ages 2 &4). And as you might know, cats can be indifferent and inscrutable. She definitely doesn't like Einstürzende Neubauten. She always leaves my room when I play it. Life is complex. It has real and imaginary parts. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 10:43 pm Subject: my .profile Really-From: anunes@m... In answer to Maxwell Croy, my name is Antonio Nunes, age 38 (39 next month), electronic engineer and unix system administrator, Portuguese living in Madeira Island. My first exposure to TD was in the early 80's with excerpts of Logos and Hyperborea on the radio. First complete album was Tangram, borrowed from a friend. First TD album bought: Force Majeure (vinyl). These 4 albums are still my favorites, though I have now almost 60 TD CD's. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 4:49 pm Subject: Re: various comments Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > I've noticed that our cat reacts similarly to just about every TD album: she > stares vacantly into space, occasionally begs for food, and eventually goes back > to sleep. My cat always feels uneasy when I play old TD and especially Kitaro (I think because of the high and strange frequencies of the analog synths.) She always walks to the speaker to see where the sound is coming from and then runs away. > PS - I did discover a hairball by the stereo the last time I played 'Rockoon,' > however. Not suprisingly (this is the last time I mention that I don't like new TD, really!) Marcel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 897 Re: various comments slawlor Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 11:47 pm Subject: spelling my name Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Really-From: 'Craig R. J. Cordrey' > > >Armin, > >Did you know your Microsoft Word spell-checked name is >Armenia Thinness? > >No, I'm not making fun of your name. It's just one of those >things I occassionally do when bored and yours came out >quite funny I thought. > >My god, am I sad or what? > >No offense intended. > > Hi, I just checked and YOU'RE WRONG! If I write 'Armin Theissen' and do the Microsoft Word spell check, I get 'Armenia theism'. However, if I do this common mistake almost any british/irish/american does, namely mis-spelling my second name to 'Thiessen' (notice the order of 'i' and 'e'), then the result is as yours ('Thinnes'). No offense taken for checking spelling, but for your initial mis-spell!!!! (just joking) Armin Theissen, 'e' first! I just checked that Microsoft Word is makein a 'theism' out of 'Theissen'. cheers Armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Amsterdam concert Really-From: voorn@m... (Michel Voorn) Hello All, Where can I find more information about the Amsterdam concert on 20 april ? Greetings Michel -- ************************************************** * Internet/E-mail: voorn@m... * * Homepage : http://www.xs4all.nl/~voorn * * BBS (MIVO) : +31 79 3318427 * ************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 5:46 pm Subject: Re: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates wanted? Really-From: Vic Rek At 11:10 AM 2/14/97 EST, you wrote: >Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@C...> >Vincent G.: > >You're absolutely right--not only **should** I have referred to the 1986, 1988, >and 1992 tours as North American tours (TD played plenty of Canadian dates on >those tours, for sure), but I called the 1992 tour a 'USA tour' and ***then*** >said there were extant fan recordings from Toronto and Montreal! Sorry 'bout >that--chalk that one up to boneheaded Yankee Americentrism. :-) > Enough of these apologies and self-criticism already!!! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 895 Re: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates want Sean Montgomery Fri 2/14/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Feb 14, 1997 5:46 pm Subject: Re: The TD Roots Collection and.... Really-From: Vic Rek At 09:46 AM 2/14/97, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >I am surprised that nobody is discussing: > > 1) The TD Roots Collection > 2) Supernatural Fairy Tales - The Progressive Rock Era > >The latter is a compilation by Archie Patterson (of Eurock fame) and David >McLees. If you are interested in getting a feel for how our listening ears >(actually brains) have evolved over the years (listeners of my age, that >is), this collection of 50+ tracks is NOT to be missed. > Just a note for you K. Schulze collectors. On Supernatural Fairy Tales there is an unreleased track by Klaus Schulze from 1970 as well as Ash Ra Tempel. I think Eurock is selling them for $60 postage paid in the US. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Feb 13, 1997 7:23 am Subject: Re: Canada apologia/more complete tour dates wanted? Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >said there were extant fan recordings from Toronto and Montreal! Sorry 'bout > >that--chalk that one up to boneheaded Yankee Americentrism. :-) > > > Enough of these apologies and self-criticism already!!! Yeah....y'all are sounding *like* Canadians! Sean Mon